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Dwayne Haskins 360

NFL: Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah & Bucky Brooks

51:03 min | 1 year ago

Dwayne Haskins 360

"Hey, everybody. It's Daniel Jeremiah for move the sticks, and I'm Bucky Brooks. And this is the Wayne has three six tosses on a right angle. Poor a lot. Zone with. Talk about that could have been thrown any better. What? So much down. What Baltimore by Dwayne asking? Buck for those that don't know. Let's explain what the three sixty podcast series is all about this is an entire podcast dedicated to quarterback prospect, Wayne Haskins, we break down his game potential and NFL team fist interview. Some of his coaches who know him best including his high school coach buckeyes head coach Ryan day teammates of his at Ohio State a mentor. He is who happens to have played in a couple of pro bowls. And of course, we interview Haskins himself. But before we get to all of those interviews. Let's get our Pinon out there on the player Duane Haskins in the mix potentially be the first quarterback taken. It's been a little bit of a battle there between him and Kyle Murray. We'll see how that all shakes out. But just as a player buck. Let's talk. Let's go generic here floor and ceiling. What what do you what do you view for Haskins future in the NFL? I think he can be a perennial. Pro. I think he is the quarterback that is played successfully in the league for the last thirty years. I think he has tremendous. Arm talent. He does a great job of making throws with touch timing. Anticipation. I think he's excellent leader smart when it comes to on the board with his IQ. And so really when I look at him. He is kind of the classic franchise quarterback that teams have coveted. So I think it ceiling is really high and terms of being able to play at a Pro Bowl level. But at his worst, I would expect them to be just a solid started to kind of leases team manages an offense wins a ton of games. Yeah. You know? I look at it and buck I think he's a little bit dependent on what's in front of him. I think somebody's gonna need some protection like every quarterback wants to be protected, but he's not someone who's going to be able to create and move around and make things happen. He's under a lot of duress. So somebody I think you're gonna get an involve with a good good tight end some play action and be able to protect him with a clean pocket and he can accurately distribute the football all over the field. I in terms of the the ceiling for me. I don't know that I put him in that in that Pro Bowl category. I put him I think he's going to be a solid starter. Now, the diff. Is I don't think the floor is very is very low. I think he's somebody what the higher floor maybe a little bit lower ceiling for me. I think he's going to be a dependable starting quarterback. That's what I believe twain Haskins is going to be at the next level. Yeah. I mean, I can see that. I think he's going to be definitely a solid starter. In fact, when I compare them I kind of compare them to Carson Palmer when it costs empowerment interleague when you look at what he was able to do a Cincinnati. I wanna see you went to a Pro Bowl there. Restarted his career after going Oakland and found his way in areas on found the right coast to put them into right offense, played another Pro Bowl level in Arizona. I think Wayne Haskins is debt surly some of it is dependent upon scheme. Did he plays in and what he has around him? But I certainly believed that he has all the talent to be one of those upper echelon starting quarterbacks. Yeah. No, it's going to be a fun player to watch as he goes through this process finish up and land with the team one thing. I know is you get out there and watch this this guy warm up in throw out there. That's why he want the ball to look like he throws a beautiful ball. And it looks nice on tape as we both had a chance to see him up close. And in person. It's impressive. The way can really spend the football. He's a talented talented thrower. Yes, super talented. And I think that's what you want like. We go back, and we look at the guys that have play successfully into league's Gazzetta talented throwers at able to work from the pocket. I believe Wayne Haskins has the right stuff to be able to work effectively from the pocket for locked up. All right. Let's get into some of these interviews. We've talked to people all around Wayne Haskins that know him best to try and paint, a real clear picture of what Duane Haskins is not only as a player, but as a person and the first person we're going to talk to is Dwayne Haskins highschool coach from the bolles school in Potomac, Maryland, Pat Salenko. Coach how you doing? I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on today. Coach elected to deep dive here on the three sixty series with with people that know these guys. Well, can you can you tell us the first time you met Dwayne in your first interaction with them? You know, I met to Wayne in the summer right before freshman year two thousand twelve he came down from New Jersey throw with some of our receivers and just in all Mace. The way the ball jumped off his hayme was just absolutely amazing for a freshman in high school. You know? You know, it incredible arm strength, and the balls was just unbelievable. What was his size like as a freshman? What was he like back? Then. He he was still growing. So he was only about five ten still had what I call a little bit of the baby fat on every year kept growing and growing and growing ended up leaving areas about six two, and I think he continue to grow. Once. He was at Ohio State coach give us an example, personality wise, just getting a normal little bit better. What's a story? Maybe you could share with us about his leadership style is personality just something from your time together, you know, he's a very humble kid. And on the first day that I met him. He came in and said, I'm a distributor. I wanna make everybody better. It's not about me. It's about everybody else. And you don't get that advocate, especially, you know, in ninth grade, who you know, has an extreme talent. What about him mentally coach? I've heard a lot of people rave about him and Ohio State talk about how quickly is able to digest their playbook, and you can really see it on tape. When you study them. Just how smart he is. How do you do acclimating at a young age coming out of junior high? How did he adapt to your offense? They're in high school. You know, Dwayne is a workaholic. He would come in every day study hall meet with me for forty five minutes on his own. And he would know what every person on the play was doing every play, you know, he just loves football. He, you know, he's at eight straight a student here, you know, had tons of options, and you know, besides school. You know, it's really football coach any other sports that he played in high school we have to spoil requirement. I know he did yoga his senior year. Oh, hold on. Hold on tell me about this. That's an option. You can take yoga. Yeah. Yoga's that what sport at our school? So he took yoga's senior year. Actually, I remember what so higher state was recruiting on. They went and watch tail do yoga. So I'm sure that was nice saw stress for leaks for everybody in that room. Having though is they go to staff in that. That is fantastic. Coach one of the knocks on Dwayne or people trying to say, we know he does. Well, he can spend it. He's ready. He's smart. He's got football character. But he doesn't run around a lot. He's not super mobile when you look at them as a football player starting with him all the way back in high school. How would you evaluate them? He can rod. I mean, he I think he showed that verse Maryland once he had to Ron who was the end of the game. He ran you look at his junior year versus Michigan when they play man he knows the skate. He can do it. It's just not you know, he does a ball. So. Well, why would you have run the ball if he can throw it? Well, that's that's a great way to look at it. There. We appreciate that. Is there any particular game in high school that jumps out to you? Maybe a moment of memory. There's. A rivalry game. A big game. Or just one instance where he really rose to the occasion. Like we saw at the end of his collegiate career. Yeah. You know, he his senior years last game for tie the championship. We actually beat Georgetown prep, and he got hurt in the first quarter one of those gall, you know, run plays that we didn't call off in. But we said it's his last game. Let them run a little bit. He twisted. His ankle was out the rest of the first half and Georgetown prep took the lead and went up by four with a ninety one seconds left. Joining the ball went seventy five yards on six past plays in. It was just unbelievable Byron left, which is how bone around a one leg in my brain surgeon. I my call out pass to the right? He stands in the pocket goes a laser on a fifteen yard out. All that is big time. I love that. How about some other adversity? You talk about being injured and fighting through that any other adversity you. Remember, I know in the evaluate. Process. We always look to see how these guys deal with failure in any our life. But has been any adversity that Dwayne has had to kind of power through. You know, what he had a game is senior year. You know, he didn't perform very well. ESPN was here, and they had a mic up in that, you know, came out through couple interceptions right off the get go. I took him out of the name. He, of course, he was begging. You know, he didn't go sit on the bench and pal his begging to get back in the game begging to get back in the game. A put him back in with the fifty one seconds left in the first half e three passes at twenty two seconds of school when eighty seven yards or soften. It was incredible. Every pass was right on the money. So I won't see hit with adversity. I think it actually propel to not winning the Heisman. Again. I think that's going to propel hill, you know, people saying, you know, he can't do this. He can't do that. You know, Michigan's the best defense in the NCAA, and he just torch them, absolutely. The end of the season was quite the closing statement. How about personality wise? What's he like, he he's a he again, I salt about a little bit is very humble kid. And you know, he wants to make the people around him better. Again, you know, he would not lead the practice field until he liked the way the ball was coming out of his hands on certain routes. I remember one specific practice on the comeback. He probably made those guys Ron for forty five minutes after practice. Then after that he left to go down to an indoor facility to throw with guys in the area that were all signed division one and same thing spring break last year. I know he's down in Miami was his quarterback coach, you know, throwing with you know, NFL receivers and again he wants to make everybody better. He he loves football. Did you have any conversation with him during the time that he's read shooting there? Maybe we sit behind J T Barrett. I know he had to wait his turn a little bit there. It'll Hieaux state. How was how was his mental state going through that period of time? You know, I talked to you know, almost weekly. He you know, he wanted to play obviously. But he understood you know, I know he played the shy watts to one year. Year, and he was excited about that. But at the end the day, you know, it worked out great for him. He didn't take as many hits he showed what he could do throughout all full season. And you know, I know he wanted to get on the field. Same thing. Like he wanted to play for national championship this year. But you know, things didn't work out that way and J T was great quarterback in a four year starter, and he knew that going into a high of St. last thing for coach let you go. I think it speak to the NFL general managers and head coaches out there, how to give your closing argument. What are they going to get if they draft Wayne Haskins? Going to get an incredible passer who's, you know, very, very smart and makes people around him better. And that's the key thing. He makes those guys around him better. Buck. It's always great. We get a chance to talk to those high school coaches. I mean, I feel like they get a chance to to really be around these young guys as they're maturing and developing is not only just players, but is is young men. Yeah. I mean, those guys know them best, and they kind of set the foundation for where they will eventually become. And so I think it's interesting what do Wayne Haskins was able to overcome doing his high school time. And the fact that he kinda set him up to have success at the next level. Speaking of next level you in a Kabbalah had a chance to speak with Ohio State head coach Ryan day, and the buckeyes pro they last week. I was able to interview him at the combine in Indianapolis. Let's see what coach day thinks of his record-setting signal-caller. We're seeing that so much of the game really centers around the quarterback. What is the challenge in getting young quarterbacks ready to play even at the college over an maybe the NFL level? It takes time, you know in in. You know, I think when you see kind of like the way Dwayne came on this year so much of that was done leading. Up to to the season understanding of protections such a huge part of being a quarterback nowadays. Understanding what's going on up front. Not only the confidence. But the ability to get the line to to protect four you understand where the where the defense is trying to attack you, but then also defensive structure understanding how to attack coverages undertand understanding how your foot work time's up with the progressions all those things come into play. And I think that you know, now quarterbacks are coming more and more prepared in the college into the NFL, but still so much work to be done in the classroom. What makes to Wayne Haskins such a special player? First off he has a special talent his innate accuracy, some of the best of ever been around. I had a chance to be amount around that Ryan when he was at this age, and you know, very similar that way the intimidation the touch has a great feel for what's going on in front of them. You know, also has has really embraced the classroom understands again like we're talking protections defensive structure what's going on in front of them thought. He did a really good job this year with that, you know, especially late in the season with some of our games where he took control of what was going on up front. But he has he has a special spirit about him. He doesn't get rattled. He stays pretty even keeled. And and nothing's too big for him. You know, when you think about the stage being big, obviously you've been around NFL quarterbacks and they have to perform in pressurized environments. How do you think he will perform when he has an opportunity to be a franchise quarterback? I think he'll do great. I think that it's not going to happen overnight. You know, Dwayne his and played a whole lot of football. So every time he's. Doing something. It'll be for the first time in the NFL. So I think every time he plays. He'll be learning. You know, we talked about it all the time you either win or you learn you don't fail. And I think he's gonna take that approach when he's in the NFL, you know, in thinking about young quarterbacks and continue to develop them. What would you say is one thing that you absolutely love about him? And what a franchise will love about him when they begin to really dig down deep and meet him. I would say overall his overall spirit. He he's got a great spirit about him. He's been raised the right way, his his heart's in the right place. He cares about the people around him any wants to be great. I think he's been working his whole life for this opportunity. And he's going to make sure he wills himself to to be successful. And it's not going to happen overnight. He understands that. But in during that journey he's going to bring a lot of people with them first year head coach, Ohio State you've been in this program, though. But you gotta feel like a proud father. When you've got these guys out here performing today. Yeah. Very impressive group. Obviously watching the way and throw the ball is really impressive to see in the ways worked on his body over the last couple of months and throwing the ball. Really? Well. And then when you look at the guys that he was thrown to today, what an impressive group. Now, you got some speed. Some speed was on display with that wide receiver group and Paris Campbell. Looks like he's going to be okay. Just more precaution than anything else today. Yeah. He was running a kind of a flood sale route. And you know, the foot kind of winning around the wrong way. And you know, he's really done a great job with the. Mind, and obviously what is put on film. So there's one be careful if we can start with Dwayne. One year as a starter? What do you feel are the biggest questions you get asked about him that you sort of need to shoot down or respond to? I mean, really it's just at this time last year. He really hadn't played it. All he played the one game that team up north game. And so he didn't he didn't have any experience. Nucle- stars incomes into the season. Throws fifty touchdown passes has an unbelievable season. But it's you know, there's just not a lot of games. There's only so many games, and that's not his fault. But he just doesn't have a ton of experience other than that. When you look at his game in the way, he really came on at the end of the year kind of speaks for itself. Underrated part of his game that maybe everybody doesn't see because there are so few games football IQ when you look at you know, some of those games down the stretch he handle all those protection calls, and he got the line organiz and the protection which I think is such a huge part of quarterback play, especially at the next level. But he really does understand football understands protections progressions defensive structures. And so when you sit down and. Talk with them about football. You'd be very impressed chance to wash him today. And and to me, you mentioned just the shape that he's in. He looks. He's I told him he's a lean mean fighting machine at this point time, but really tried to accentuate that quickness in the pocket, he saw him shoulder roll on and moving around and climate around in there as an athlete. I mean that's been one of the concerns about him going forward. No, mobility wise, you're going to be able to get away from it your take on joins athleticism a long way since he got here in our strength staff and in Mickey morality unbelievable job getting them to where he is. Now when you saw down the stretch in the Maryland game. I think you ran it for thirteen times in that game and show that he can run when he needs to he can get himself out of trouble. He's not going to be a runner. He's not a J T Barrett or Braxton Miller, that's not his style. But as he's gotten more mature, and as he is body's grown his legs have gotten stronger he is able to extend plays. He is. I don't know how much zone retail. Do it the next level and things like that. But he can get himself out of trouble. And he needs to Nick told us that he's kind of a quiet guy. What who is he in? What sort of literacy he's himself, which you know, we talked about all the time every quarterback has to be a leader. That's number one job, but every leader's different. Everybody has their own style. His style is he does a lot of work behind the scenes, and as he became more and more confident got more games under his belt, his leadership style took more to the forefront. And I think as he grows it will grow as well last thing. And and I'll let you go here. Coach on a scale of one to ten how sick does it. Make you to sit next to people wearing blue on a set. I want to say this. You guys are lucky eating have to do support ups over there. People were in this building who wear blue. They get thrown out at the take off the shirt or have to do push up. So you guys are lucky. Yeah. Okay. Well, yeah. This is your pass right now. The next time he was in trouble. They we go put this on film. You got ten. Count them out six seven eight nine ten, okay. You could sign them up. I don't know. Learn to be learned his lesson when you walk through these hallways. You can see two we mean business. Thank you. Absolutely. All right, buck. I guess I I learned my lesson at the at the end of that. I knew I don't have anything network year. NFL network years blue they reference it to school up north and. No, you can't walk up in enemy colors. Yeah. No. I I I screwed that one up and I paid for it. That's all right. Do the time. You do the crime do the time. And knocked out those ten pushups sore the next day. Maybe maybe I was just a little bit. All right. Who we got next year? I think this is one of the more fascinating conversations around Dwayne Hassans because I don't know how many people know this story book about a mentor in his life. Who if you're at NFL fan, you'll be very familiar with this name. And that is a former Pro Bowl cornerback. Shawn springs. I sided for our next guest here. Shawn springs thirteen years in the National Football League. One of the best secondary players during that period of time. Sean, thanks so much taking the time for us today. Man. Glad to be on man. What you guys, but I look I could literally with questions as Bucky coups. Well, talking about your playing career, but we wanna talk to you about your relationship with one more thing players in this year's draft class Dwayne Haskins. So can you start off just Philipson on the back story of where Dwayne grew up where you met him? And and where it went from there. It was thing because I've been waiting since he was like eleven twelve years old while I was at a passing camp where my son was in sixth grade and twenty seven th braid next thing, you know, my son gets up throws the ball thirty yards. And I was like that's pretty good. Dwayne is right behind me throws ball like the is like twelve years old. Care like that. That's pretty amazing. Right. And and you know in looking around in the stands, and I'm looking around and is only two little black kids out there. So. Matassa bad out there. I was like missed excuse me. Sarah's at your son was mister Haskins news like yeah. That's my son. And he was coming. He was nice. And then when the Wayne came off the field, my son's Colladay were friends, obviously, he was like, hey, Mr. sprays, I play with your madman. I'm a big fan of Mr. asking us look around with I get into football players. Like, man, I'm a bad out here, ma'am. The story began you took an even deeper interest beyond that Cam in looking about it you would go and visit him in jersey. And so from your time kind of being around him and being an influential presence in his life. How is the Wayne Haskins grown from initially meant to the kid? It's been a start Ohio State. Are they think I initially mad whereas a kid who have potential, but obviously, you know, like anything you gotta be in a rice situation when I saw the Wayne, and I just told him as a hey man, there might be opportunity for this kid play in Washington DC area. And I remember they came down for weekend. And we watching good counselor skillman good counsel out of kidney, Stefan bigs in kindle fuller with his star out there and Gilman had a kid name Cyrus sour Jones. And it was a good game. Dwayne saw that he was like man, I need to be a part of that. And we're fortunate who able to get the family to wanna move down to Washington DC area, Dwayne pick bullets. So that his to me. Get a great education, and he just him mature the biggest thing, but before young players, you may have aspirations that wanna play on major one. But you gotta have the work ethic. And that was the biggest thing I try to install Dwayne. He would ask wrestling Tom Brady like like mad. He was a hard worker. You know ran a five, but he worked hard and he was the first building versa. Again, last leave show one thing I saw from twenty four ways from the twelve euro to where he was fifteen stop for sixteen junior high school. He was just he just containing the Abedin progress. And I think when he got to a house state, I think it was a little bit of opportunity to alarm from AT leadership build his body up really good to next level in college, Sean, I'm sure during that process during the recruiting process of coaches from all these different schools reach out to you to try and learn about the Wayne, but any of it could be lower state, whoever whoever talk. During that process and ask you, what do you think this kid will become what can he do for us? What was your answer? Major d one a high Q we knew that do I have that mean I told people when he was in high school. I remember talking to campaign number that, you know, the hell issue was just like man, this guy's special where he can throw the ball and picks when he makes Justinus oftentimes you see Kim high school, you know, they the because they're bigger stronger faster than funded. Dwayne could go e- could go through one to progress in high school, you know, come off the first week go back to the second or you make adjustments. Hey, the way, you know, from this past on throw this out to the opposite side of the field. And he was take those. We'll pick it up. And I just told every coach was improving to Wayne that you got especially kid, you know, he's not a typical mobile quarterback. He's a big strong Stanley pocket in throw the ball around type guy, you know, thinking about because sometimes quarterbacks like, the Wayne can't get kind of lumped in the box with some of the mobile quarterback that we've seen played a musician. But he's a pure. Pocket passer, and you speak to his I q when you've been around him. You've watched him work. How much does he just love ball? And how how smart is he when he comes to kind of understanding and breaking down the Xs and os. I told people for me a physical harm stand point of view. He's sprayed. In game. He's probably better than half the corners. I play with no disrespect to like, Brunell kitten, and and house back in those guys that I can only think of like maybe Tom Brady warm moon that I can actually say like man with his arm talent combined with his love for the game. But the Utah can buy a gym, right? You know, we hear that term talk about basketball with he's a gym raccoons. But bow he'd correct, you know, I I was a playboy all American with Peyton and pain. What acts a lot of questions. And and that's why I feel when I'm around to win. He's one of those guys like if he's around you, and he knows that you if it was around Mike Cohn from for like hour, he's to every question about Brett farve, high can be better he is a gym rat. He's one of those guys you put him in a situation where he's Ron veteran. His discuss soak it up these learn what do you think is best for him shy? Like, get your opinion. Just kind of putting your player head on for. Somebody hadn't started a lot of games there at the collegiate level MAC a lot of these. Teams have different plans to these quarterback. Somehow you're gonna come in. You're gonna go right away. You get the ball your keys to the car. Other teams. We saw a Pat Mahomes get a chance to to sit for year, just in your personal opinion. What would be the best path? They're dwayne. I like to I like to Patrick my home about behind Alex math. I liked the, you know, how you know, you have that type of released resi somebody's young quarterbacks coming into the league in yet a college. But you know, the first time you see a great ribs defense and you see a defense. I give you a lot of different lutts. There's no longer no longer playing Wisconsin. No longer term do annoy. I'll love at the Wayne, you know, to go to a situation where he learned from veteran quarterback weather's for half a year will full year, you know, he can just really can develop in really just understand the game with the means to be a professional with means to be a pro so giants perfect situation where everyone talks by manning being there, and I would be ideal for him to go there with Tom light Ingram, you got shit her. Yeah. At all you got barking the man child. So with those type of weapons in you learning. I mean, that's how you you know, you play fifteen years versus you. Go get thrown into the fire you play five. You know in thinking about it. And the about his personality lists say Dwayne is kinda thrown in the fire, and he goes to obtain. It doesn't have a lot of weapons around him. Do you think he has the resolve and resiliency to be able to handle this situation, and it won't crush his confidence, and he'll be able to kind to fight through an adverse situation and then see his way to the other side. Yeah. I think one attributing his faith in his family where he was raised by bombing dad, very spiritual people. So I think he's pretty mature care for his as but the radio is always had two hundred dog. You know, I mean, you know, you know, what I'm gonna splitting when he was younger where he was kinda heavy safety in his body that catch up to his arm strength. And where he believes he always had that idea. Like, I got to work harder than everyone else. I'm not as talented as everyone else. I want to be the best. So I don't have to do extra and part of that controversies dinner, his family and part of this me being in this era. Give McGrady every year saying now, you gotta be better. And this has been great advisers. Great people in the nappy laugh of this cue to want to be better. And I think he he could I think, you know, his life experiences. Want him the opportunity? He look, grit and toughness. You know your quarterback in the National Football League starting quarterback. You're definitely under the microscope. But for those that might not be aware of just how big football is in Columbus Ohio being the starting quarterback at the Ohio State University. What type of a microscope has has already been under? Yeah. Yeah. And it was a big microscope for obvious. You know, the type of, you know, a tradition at a house they'd had. And you know, it, you know, people forget, you know, JT berry was a big step victories for anyone to feel what he did for our program, and how many Tesla's he had and many times these big ten year before I was Braxton Muller. And so I think the Wayne part of his showers going you come out higher recruits. And you got a back up those guys, you gotta learn you gotta be mature enough to be able to put your ego to sign and say, you know, what I'm a backup not gonna wait. My parents that I was a line except for the way, you know, going where he went through this year with the urban Meyer situation on how much would Ryan day and in turmoil surrounding surrounding the university at the time, I think I think he was very poised. And I think what has system thing you can see all year without offense in our team hostage was waiting played outstanding. And I think that just shows you the level of maturity that he has, you know. How he focus on his craft. And and it was in. There was times, you know. You know, you know, the he wanted to be, but I think he was disappointed by Purdue loss, and obviously he probably never met it. But I think it it ticked law. Something lost to Cal in the Heisman Trophy. I think he's little disappointed about that. But and ended the day he does he's trying to grind and get better. We're thinking about grunted and get better who could you envision him play like the next level? Who do you think would be a nice comparison of estimate when we see any way asking what kind of player he will be the next level? I think a lot of people think about wanting been rothlisburger for me the guy would compare them to be Philip rivers. I'll love or you know, when Phillip came on NC state with that big live arm, and he wasn't on an all out of place. He can stand in the pocket. He was strong. He was an athletic enough to escape, but yet he made all the reads down on fail. I kind of see that food Wayne, I think little river doesn't get enough the deep. For what he's done for the San Diego. Chargers. Franchise. I know one thing guys buck if a team drafts Dwayne Haskins and they get Philip rivers. They dancing in the street in that city, and we can't wait look. He's fun player to watch. We can't walk cannot wait to watch his future unfold, and Sean we can't thank you enough for for taking some time for us here today. Real interesting. Interesting chat there with Shawn springs. That tells you a lot about Dwayne Haskins. And and look how serious he takes football. I mean, he moved from one state to the next to put himself in the right situation where he could grow as a football player and have a chance to play the next level. Yes. Yes. Marines took a tremendous interest in Dwayne Haskins as a young guy, obviously paid off moved to the DMV area to have better competition, and it paid off because eventually goes to Ohio State. And so anytime, you have a mentor they really can kind of sprinkle in some nuggets to help you get along the way I think Dwayne Haskins is certainly better for that. All right, buck, what's always fun to to talk to the high school coaches and the mentors for these young players, but there's nothing better than talking their college. Teammates. Those guys offer tremendous insight into these prospects. And we've both had a chance to do that. I was out there at the Ohio State pro day with a Deakin Kabbalah got a chance to visit with Nick Bosa could be the first overall pick in the draft as well as all big ten wide receiver. Paris campbell. And no you had a chance to visit with their very talented defensive lineman Dray Mont Jones. So these guys were all teammates at Ohio State with Dwayne Haskins. And here's our conversation with those three men, I want you to put your your scouting hat on for minute. Here. We've talked about you talked about your brother is another main attraction here today in your quarterback Dwayne Haskins. But can you can you speak to him a little bit as a as a leader for this team this Buckeye team taken over J T Barrett who was lauded for his leadership. Dwayne like is a leader. Twain was similar to me is more quiet, which I think is more when you're quiet in what you say really when when you're not just spewing stuff out when you what you say really mean something and somebody hears we have to say, and they're like, wow, he he said something. So he must really mean it. So I mean from freshman year sophomore year, he was definitely learning how to do it. But once he got the reins of the team was going to make him place for the team. He came into his own big time. Give me something about your quarterback, Wayne Haskins that that maybe most folks don't know. Honestly, I would say at first, you know, when DeWayne I came in. You know, everyone knew he had talent. I think this where he lied to assist on the leadership, and he took it a extraordinary role on this past season leadership on everyone knew he could throw the boy everyone knew that. He would be no no these high highly touted quarterback, but everyone was concerned about his leadership. And just the way that he took the the bull by the horns on this team on the things that he did just throughout each game. You know, he always was poison the huddle, you know, he always kept guys going kept spirits up. And that was huge for us. You know, because we needed that from our quarterback on especially, you know, JT leaving him being the leader that he was Dwayne really stepped out and just became leader that we need it for us. You know beyond his leadership. What else is Dwayne Haskins bring to the table when you're starting quarterback. I think he brings way that's number one thing that I think, you know, he steps on this Bill. He knows he knows. He's the best quarterback. He brings that swag. And that allows you know for the receivers run it back to the lines is play with confidence knowing that. I'll quote about her confidence not only himself. But didn't us says will I wonder what type of an athlete is? Because that's been one of the concerns right is. Although some some folks said he was too athletic other folks that okay, we question a little bit. Now. Now, have you have you hooped with them like give me something about athletically that we can help them up a little bit. What we got? I think I say he's absolutely when he wants to be. I think if you go back to the, you know, the Maryland game, you know, he actually had a couple of rushing touchdowns that game. And you know, they were they're forcing him out of the pocket. And I think you know, like, I say athlete when he wants to be. So he he has it. You know, he's got a big find it. On the other side of the ball Dwayne Haskins emerged as a force in the big ten. What did you guys see from him to let you guys know that he was going to be a special player this year for state? If either way back wonder, no when he at first he wasn't really talking to weight room like that. And then like progressively he's gotten better and better because no guy for on them. And then he started developed his own role, and realizing they know the weight room is going to be my baby basically is going to be my home if I'm going to be dominant quarterback. And then spring ball what he has done for the stars gets Joe burrow. He definitely just came into his own. He's had to become more of a instead of being in the guy who was just like lay back and just moved. He's saying he took a lot more control the office because talent was already there. So the leader aspect that. He did you know in speaking of his leadership ability. What can a leader is? He is. He a vocal guys quiet, Dubai example, type what kind of leadership skills. Did you display as the season went along? He seemed more about a game, Tom leader. When when the moment was there. He took advantage of it. It wasn't like he was giving a game Tom again before a game prep speech or anything. He wasn't that type of player. He was more. So like when the situation gets up. No you layers. There's some interesting conversations they're buck with those teammates. And it's really a fascinating case study there between Haskins because not somebody that's a three or four year starter. You know, we saw some of those quarterbacks last year namely Baker Mayfield who played so much football Dwayne Haskins head to to wait, his turn be patient. And then when the opportunity presented itself to go out there and take advantage of it. And you kind of see that picture painted there by his teammates it, absolutely. They paint a great picture of him in his leadership, and how it evolved over the course of the season in anytime. You're thinking about selecting a franchise quarterback. You wanna make sure that he has the leadership skills? And I think in those conversations with his teammates, they convey, the disguise is a really good leader. He has grown in terms of his ability to to command respect and their attention. And so I think the future is bright for doing Haskins. How we got a chance to visit with those around Wayne Haskins. Let's let's get to the man himself. Buck you interviewed him in Atlanta on Super Bowl weekend at kink of wall. And I were in. In columbus. Ohio for the pro day last week we each had a chance to visit with Dwayne Haskins in. Here's our conversation with the buckeyes all American quarterback. How's everything going great, man? Having a blast out here. Dwayne like, so many people are excited about your potential, and the things that you've been able to accomplish just tell me what were you able to learn about yourself during your final season, high your state, I got so much work to do, you know, fly I get so much better going through every game. I learned something new about myself. But I know that got a ways ago, but has scare how good I feel like I can be you know, in in looking at your game at Ohio State. What would you say some of the things that you bring to the table for an NFL team distributor? This be able to throw all over the field short intermediate deep, and then be able to to have time in rows deep routes their stuff that I can do over to fill to give offense of a record and dynamic. No, one of the questions that you were here as you continue to go forward in the process, or who are some of your role models who are some of the guys in the pros that you Pat in your game. After a lot of guys I say drew Brees accuracy Aaron Rodgers all platform. Throws Tom Brady leadership the stuff that everybody does. Well, try try to model into my game. I don't really say what is one of quarterback. The only thing that you do well about his love this love the game. You know, like, obviously have watched you since you were a teenager coming through the camp, sir circuit. I knew that you were a special player. But if you had to tell people what is going to allow you to be a special plan to pros. What would you say that once trade is? A humble, man. Is this knowing that I I know I have resurfaced of what I can be. I'm gonna keep working hard and mcgarry around me better. And just knowing that I'm gonna put us off every day. So then when we have an opportunity to visit with you at the combine, what are some of the things that you wanna show up at the combine to make people feel comfortable about you potentially being the number one quarterback in this draft. Well, I'm killed aboard. So I'm gonna get on the board coverages protections. All that. I love that stuff. You'll be able to do on the interviews showing that I had the personnel to be native franchise quarterback. So that's all I wanted to do when I go to combine show that you get a chance to sit down with a man of the hour here in the way and Haskins. Do I ha-? How'd you feel everything went for you today that a win great has my versity with Perez can hurt today, but we made it work. But no, definitely a proud of my guys just sat down and said you were in a off camera. I missed a couple of throws maybe like one or two. What was it? So important to you to come out here and do this again, though. And why does it still eat at you wanted to be perfect to? But you know, everything's going to be perfect. But I had a good time. One of the things that I mentioned watching you throw today. I thought you did a great job of kind of accentuating the movement. The quickness inside the pocket just kind of little shoulder rolls and just a little quick sudden movement was that part of the plan today to show that off. Yeah. Definitely. So he's an award neighbors and didn't feel great all the time. So today, I just wanted to show that you know, that can move off platform move off spot, and she'll be accurate, and you know, really great guys where they fast guys would good for me today. So appreciate it. You've said repeatedly that it's very important to you to show teams. How smart you are? Why do you feel like that's been a knock on you? It's not necessarily a not just because of fair tight. But the biggest thing is I fucked I'm smarter than average quarterback and for me going through to combine going through meetings after the combine going into the draft disband able to retain information. So a lot of teams had any job there. Plays and able to recite the place to them how it worked for its protections. How starring coverages would go in. It'd be like six plays. I remember all the plays on one time. Then I'll get no time to think about it. So it's pretty it's pretty good. So I feel like I do a good opportunity table. I'm just curious from scouting perspective where your weight was in the fall versus where your weight is now because you look you can lean mean fighting machine right shape. What have you? Shape. What have you done it? How much weight have you lost from the season two now? No. So I was kind of heavy going into combine at hasn't good food after declare but there's getting back into game shape. This is the biggest thing right now. So he's played around twenty twenty four twenty five. So right now, I'm twenty five twenty six so by season populate twenty two you went to dinner with the entire giants contingent. Yes. So I was told by a member of that group that you were extremely impressive. Most what what? What do you feel really distinguishes you from all the other quarterbacks? Are there was the biggest thing with with Jeff quarterbacks? When a guy will be there for ten twelve fifteen years. And that's the guy you wanna lead your franchise. So every meeting that I go to I wanted to show. How charismatic I'm the house Martin. I am and it'd be able to relate to anyone in the room. So being able to sit down with them last night was awesome. Had a great time. You have some good talks eight some good food. And you know, it was a great experience you played well throughout the season. But you found another level at the end, especially those last three games when you look at a rivalry game a conference championship game. And then the big Rose Bowl over Washington. What what really clicked for you to lock in. And just take off at the end of the year. Like you did. So cosmic told me to be a dude then as his face. So for those that don't know explain who coach Mickey shrimp coats. And I would like to say, he's probably the toughest guy. No. So for him. It was his do. So there was times in the game where I had to take over. So nothing that I wasn't playing great and again the season, but I just took complete ownership of the team at that point as we got down to stretch trying to get. Back into the playoff run. And it was a lot of fun honestly to be able to have those games like that and finish out high level but me saw two offense alive. Receivers made all the great plays in is put it in the right spot. And this led them talk about being able to take over one of the things I've heard about you is that you didn't have a difficult game. This year never faced in game adversity. What is there any fear about that watch the Maryland deemed, so I know I know. India being the biggest adversities is was mostly off the field. And then and then this football, it's always a battle. So you might win to my loose on during a game in itself. So the biggest thing for me was able to learn how doing not scoring every drive or defense not stopping one drive and be able to still win the game. So each game wasn't learning. Experience. We have some tough ones, whereas Penn State, and and Purdue and Michigan state and he played his heart. But I thought those games made a stronger, and is it got down to season this more so fun for me to be able to grab the guys. And it'd be the guy that I wanted to be the beginning season. I want to go back to previously. When you're you're sitting here, and you're backing up J T Barrett, and and J T Barrett is a good player, but you're talking about now someone that's going to go in the top ten. How did you manage the frustration of having to wait your turn here at this program? It was hard. But the best thing about how state is that? You know, you love your guys. So even when data was the guy he made sure he he he tutored me any nurtured me. It was able to you know, let me grow but not separate toes at the. Same time. So definitely haven't him in. My my quarterback room was able to learn from him in the first two years of not playing maybe ready to play it finally your that a plate and appreciate it for being there during the time. I was like I wanna play, but you know, definitely with him being there and gave me ready for got me ready for the season DJ asks you about that at the next level. Dave Gettleman, for example, the giant GM he's been very open in saying he likes that model the Kansas City model where a rookie comes in. And sits for year. Would you be okay with that? You already have in your mind. Well, I'll be top whatever five six ten pick. And I better play right away river God wants to be I wanna be and whether that's plan from day one or playing halfway through the season or the two or three mean Aaron Rodgers wait how many years of play and he's one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. So I just know that whenever I get my shot. I'm gonna do my thing. So same thing with the backing updates got in the mission game in toward up. So whenever my opportunities going to be there. I'm ready for when you look at you go into the next level my have opportunity bring somebody's receivers with Paris. Unfortunately. Got nicked up. I was told just a little slight hamstring. So they decided to be precautious there shut him down. But tell us about your receivers we saw three here. Maclaurin dickson. I thought I had a great day as well. And then Paris, yes. All three of them in their own. They're all really great guys. And then on to be able to have off AM super fast. You know, Janis more of the route runner Terry's more the more physical guy in Paris a little bit of both. So I just feel like because Paris are so fast. And he's the guy they overshadow sometimes, but you know, especially teams lies tears investable best in the country. Johnny part was the best routes in the country. So today was able to scout. So they did a great job. I'll tell you what. I it's been fun to watch you compete and watch you what you did here today. We wish you the best of luck. As you go through the process. Are you going to go do we know if you're going to Nashville for the draft undecided right now? But it's been to go there. So we'll see. All right. I encourage you to go you want great time, and you won't have to wait very long to hear your name cold. I pray for that one. I mean, I used to Wayne Haskins. Abucha confidence is the word that comes to my mind when you listen to Duane talk. He's he he's very sure of himself. He's very confident a dozen eight rub. You the wrong ways got good energy about him. I wouldn't even say crossover in the cockiness thing, which I don't mind, but just a very east very sure of himself for somebody with one year of production there at Ohio State, the confidence Israel. I think he has legitimate confidence in his ability a thing that confidence concentrated heat works tweeted, he studies and prepares and so I would expect him to get to the next level. And it may take him some time to settle in. But once he figures it out, I would expect to see him have a lot of success because he is a hard work. And he's very smart when it comes to IQ, and we know about his arm talent, you know, he can he can spend the football. No doubt about that. Best. I well, let's talk about should he be the first quarterback taken. I know I think we we've said this both on the record before it doesn't matter where we have is a top guy. You have Haskins I have Murray, but it comes down to fit as it does every year. It always comes down to fit housing what fits within the. Game. I believe that Dwayne Haskins is the best of the quarterbacks and the draft when you have Arizona Senator top and that maybe relationship between Kingsbury and Calum Murray, maybe that impacted but in terms of who I think the best quarterback when it comes to the arm talent hitting the prototypical things I think to Wayne Haskins is that guy. I believe the giants would be a terrific fit. Obviously their team that needs to have a young quarterback in place. I believe they can surrounded with enough weapons where he could succeed it being from his area where he grew up. It would be a nice fit. Also think the Washington Redskins would also kind of suit his talent. So they're a couple of teams we've talked about it right now as draft stands somewhere in the top half of the first right now expect to see Dwayne Haskins come off to board. Yeah. Look in terms of fits the giants to me are the obvious best fit for him. And where it makes the most sense that would be at pick number six. They also possess pick number seventeen. But look if you're in love with a quarterback, you you you take him at six. Don't sit there and cross your fingers. You're going to be there at seventeen. So that to me makes the most sense you mentioned the Washington Redskins. I could see that a little bit. You know, the team I wouldn't sleep on is the Cincinnati Bengals. I would not sleep on the Bengals this is a Bengals team that has a long track record history. It's well known their affinity for big ten players. This is some ways not far away their in state get a chance to see him. And and throwing the football. I think he's got stronger arm than any and he can make some throws in any adult can't make now he's not as athletic that move around quite as well as Dalton does. But you've got to take into account the price tag. This a real thing having these quarterbacks on a rookie deal and being able to build up your roster around them since Bengals have lost a lot of players over the years in free agency, people bang on them for not being active and bring guys in. I don't I don't care about that. The problem is when you get to the point where you spend the time and developed some of these players don't resign them that becomes an issue. So to me Dwayne Haskins. Frees up the money for them to be able to retain their own going forward. I would not sleep on the Cincinnati Bengals with Haskins. It makes sense. It makes a lot of sense in a variety of ways. Not only the connection the oils, Ohio State Cincinnati connection and the way to being having affinity for big ten players, but we have seen consistently the teams that are able to buy for the championship are the teams to have quarterbacks playing rookie deals because you can build the team around their talents. You can really expend it. And so the Bengals looking to get to that point where they can add some talent to their roster to best way to do it draft to a rookie quarterback stardom and then continued at pieces to the team. Yeah. Well, we'll see what happens there with twain Haskins. Once we get to the draft day. I it's it's gonna be fascinating to see especially if Kyle Marie ends up going number one as we all expect that to me turns to the biggest storyline of the draft is where does Dwayne Haskins land. And if for some reason, the giants do not take him at number six buck, then it gets fun because all bets are off are their team's going to be jumping up there to get him are their teams. Twenties. You know, keep an eye on team. Like the chargers who knows what they're going to do trying to find their successor to Philip rivers down the line if he starts to drift in the draft. You've got teams like that that could be poised to strike the Pittsburgh Steelers would be another team. I would keep an eye on. So it right now as we record this it looks like the giants the most likely landing spot for doing Haskins. But if they don't pick him at six buck, it's gonna get fun. It is going to be a lot of home. Because this is a I mean, it could be a while. Well, west of the draft when it comes to these quarterbacks because we all have speculated work as we go all the takes is one guy to upset applecart and changed the entire landscape of the draft. We'll see where Wayne housing goes on draft night. Well, I love our three sixty series. Hopefully, you've enjoyed this episode on Dwayne Haskins if you're in Ohio State Buckeye fan. I've got some good news for you. Because the next three sixty episode is going to feature wanted joins teammates. And that's Nick Bosa player. I believe is the best football player in this year's draft glass. You can find all these three sixties as well. As our regular move. Sticks podcast. You can go to NFL dot com slash podcast. You can find on apple podcasts as well. Or your favorite podcast app in the videos. Buck NFL dot com slash empty video YouTube dot com slash NFL. The first three sixty episode for the twenty nineteen draft class is in the books. And then you want to add before we get out of here. Buck. No, I'm excited to make sure you tune in. We have a lot of talented prospects there. We're gonna break up. 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Big Blue Big Board: Sounding the Kyler Murray Alarm

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Big Blue Big Board: Sounding the Kyler Murray Alarm

"Uh-huh. Hello and welcome to the big big void podcast. I am Dan Zuta. Join tear by Chris flung? And we are coming to you owe little after it's apparently now the happening that Keiler Murray is expected to declare for the draft. This is something that was not really expected for most of the season. But why he's late on Wednesday night. It was reported that the as are just kind of bracing for Murray to declare in the draft. So we were going to do position preview, but because of this news because of also some things that are happening with Wayne Haskins. Are we're going to talk a little bit about those two guys and the quarterbacks at the top of the draft. And what all of this might mean for everything going around with the giants might do what's going to happen with quarterbacks? So this kind of completely change what we're going to do and. I think quarterback is a pretty pretty important thing to talk about who you ready to talk some more quarterbacks. Chris. Yeah. You know, I I guess we better be ready to talk about him. So I think the big thing right now is the Cuyler Murdy a situation. He was drafted by the Oakland A's before the season. They said sure you can play your one year at Oklahoma. And that year ends up being really good. He wins the Heisman. And then there were into so rumors. He he wanted to play football. But there was still all indications. He was still going to go play baseball. And now it seems like the as expecting him to declare for the NFL draft. And there's some talk about where he might go. It's been reported some GM's do expect him to go in the first round. Eric Geico of optimum scouting said his prediction is he gets drafted higher in the NFL draft than he did in the MLB draft. And he went ninth in the draft. So that wouldn't put him as as a top ten pick. And this is something I think not a lot of people were expecting. We're talking about this quarterback class of not being great and not having a lot of high end talent. But now all of a sudden if Murdy gets thrown into the mix there along with Haskins, and that might be to potential top ten picks. And this is this really throws everything for Luke because I was absolutely expecting him to kind of wistfully say, yeah, I'd love to I'd love to play football. But I'm going to stick with baseball. Because he's a really good baseball player too. And. I could see the or at the time. I thought the NFL would come back to him and say sorry kid too, small Gacy's listed at five ten hundred ninety five pounds. Right. Nippy is listen if I've Ted he is not five ten. Yeah. But the NFL is changing in the NFL is changing rapidly. So I think maybe some people took a look at what Baker Mayfield did this year. And then took a look at D, frankly, stupid numbers Murray, put up at Oklahoma and said, you know, what we can do some of those things we can look at his games and install some of those concepts. Yeah, we'll put I wrong great on you. And that was enough to convince him, you know, what maybe I'll give this thing shot. Yet. That's that's the interesting part because I'm not sure if Murray has his path to the NFL and probably more ways than one. If Baker Mayfield didn't happen. If Mayfield didn't have these success. He did it Oklahoma. If he didn't have the success. He did this year in the NFL as a smaller guy coming out of that Oklahoma system with Lincoln Riley. Now, I think we saw the even though that Oklahoma system is very wide open and very Koiji there. Still a lot of NFL concepts and NFL throws that are in debt system. And we saw Mayfield was able to do that with the Browns this year, especially when he got some better coaching that was not Hugh Jackson and Todd Haley. So I absolutely think that Mayfield success absolutely paved the way for for Murray to possibly be. Hi draft pick and not not just get drafted. But be a high draft pick this year. Yeah. Absolutely. And also Baker success as a an undersized quarterback because this time last year, everybody's oh he's he's too short. You'll never be able to see over the offensive line, which when you've got. Six foot six six foot eight offense of tackles Hilo, see over them as Brock Osweiler in. I don't think that's anybody's prototypical quarterback. Baker. I think has done a lot for calamari to make this decision even possible and from there, there's some pretty interesting dominoes to fall. I think one of the reasons we have expected debris to pick baseball's because of the guaranteed money that was already there. He got a contract that was already like five million dollars and the difference between the guaranteed money in baseball and football. But I think quarterback is probably the one place where it actually does make more sense to play football. Because especially if he's going to be a high pick he's going to get a nice guaranteed contract and that fifth year option. And if he is even just an average quarterback there's a lot of money coming down the line or just being average. And if he's better than that. Then he's going to get hey, you what of money, and it's going to be hard to match the quarterback money in baseball. Now say if he was a wide receiver or almost any other position, I think it would make a lot more sense to play baseball. Like Jeff's, Marsha was very good bide receiver. He absolutely made the right choice to to play baseball. Because he made a lot more money as a pitcher then he ever would have made as a wide receiver. Even if he was one of the league's best wide receivers. So I think in that terms, and if he wants to go the football round, I think that does make a lot of sense for him now. And as he goes in that like, you said a lot of things are going to continue to be very fluid in this quarterback situation. So now there might be two guys who are worthy of going in the top ten when for a long time. We adjust only been talking about one basically since Justin Herbert said he was going to stay in school. So that makes it possibly if you're looking at the giants. And if they were maybe looking at at Haskins or just a quarterback in general, even though there was only one there were still the potential of someone to weep them in a trade and grab the guy, and then you're left with no one. Now, there's maybe possibly the second option. So that. Opens it up for four some more training in more. Maneuvering maybe in in the first part of the draft. And then I guess we can talk about this of what it possibly does at first overall. So there's cardinals hired quiff Kingsbury as their head coach. And while he was at Texas Tech a last year, there's a video that has now come up of Kingsbury saying he would take cower Murray. First overall, of course, when he said that he did not think he would ever be in a position where he would be drafting Cutler Murray, I overall he was the head coach at Texas Tech. But now he's the head coach of the Zona cardinals who have the number one overall pick. Yeah. He is he finds himself in the rare position of basically getting to decide whether or not he wants to walk the walk on that. Because you know. What college coach hyping up in opponent wind up having the opportunity to act on that draft them just a few months later. And of course, there's another domino there because he also already has Josh Rosen on the roster. Yes, it kind of feels like this is when you when you see a friend you haven't seen in a long time. And you're like, yeah, we got to catch up and get one, and you have really no intention of ever catching up and getting lunch. You just kinda say that. And now, it's like a couple months later and net friend is texting you ask him if when you should get lunch. That's kind of what Kingsbury is in right now. So the cardinals do have Josh Rosen. I think Kingsbury was hired to help out Rosen because man, he need help situation. He was in was just so bad and per next stats. He threw into tight coverage on the twenty one point six percent. Of his pass attempts last season, which was the most among any quarterback. And I think we've explained on this podcast throwing into tight windows at I rate is very bad at the lower yards per attempt. It's higher interception. Rates lower touchdown rates over completion rates, basically any negative thing. You could have throwing the ball throwing into tight windows increases that probability. There was no offensive line. There was a bad offense of line to start. And then like literally everyone got hurt they had like five backups at one point the so Kingsbury was really brought into hopefully open up that passing game. So now with the thing with with Murray and the video of Kingsbury saying he would draft Murray. I overall there's now the speculation that could happen and Rosen a with the possibly be traded. I think Adam Schefter said that's not impossible. I believe later in the day. Ian Rapoport at NFL network said he had spoken with people in Arizona said absolutely not going to happen. But I mean with with Rosen on the block that's something that might interested giants. You could be looking for a quarterback. I think the problem there is I know some people were saying that the giants had interest in Rosen pre-draft last year. But if he's someone they weren't interested in taking it number two. It doesn't make a lot of sense that they would pony up possibly more to get him. Now know that is a scenario which. Will. I don't wanna say it's not going to happen because that almost guarantees would happen. Just so the universe can make me look dope. But we'll say it's possible. But extremely unlikely. I don't think the giants would trade four Josh Rosen because even though he had a really bad year. He's still a highly drafted quarterback on a rookie deal. They're valuable and if the cardinals did wind up taking. Cuyler murray. They would be able to get a significant return for Josh Rosen, which is what they should absolutely do because that would be resources they could pour back into their team. Fortify that offensive line in front of Marie and maybe get him a weapon or two. Yeah. If that were to be the case grows in would be more expensive overall than than the second pick last year. It would probably cost the giants at least the sixth overall pick this year and probably something else from a resource standpoint. That does not make a lot of sense for the giants to do. Although nothing the giants have done from a resource standpoint has really made sense with what they do with their draft picks. So maybe they would. But I don't even see that scenario the together. No, I maybe the more interesting side of it would be if another team that needs a quarterback works trade for Rosen, which would take away a potential competitor for Dwayne Haskins. If that's the direction giants act want to go. I think what the cardinals are doing right now is they are setting a pretty good market for. The first overall pick the which whether someone likes very or likes Haskins, they could get a ransom now, especially because I think two guys now I think also helps them where someone I think could want to want to move up into that spot to get whichever quarterback they like more. And when you look at what you Murray and Haskins bring to the table. I really do think both of those guys would be worth those high picks in the Strath. Yeah. I I would be. Completely stunned. If the giants were to draft Cuyler Murray because he is basically the complete opposite of what Dave Gettleman typically looks for in a player. He is short. He is not stout. Things a decent way to put it. He is a an athletic dual threat quarterback who thrives in a wide. Open spread option offense of system. I just if the giants were to draft him one. I would either assume somebody slipped some sort of mind altering substance into cattlemans drink or something had happened. Where cattleman is no longer the giants general manager come draft night. Yeah. I would say Murray is not likely fit into. Whatever prototype. The giants believe a quarterback is should be. But I think we can continue to talk about it because it is something they should consider. I don't believe they will which is not fun when we're going to be evaluating these quarterbacks you're looking at probably two of the best quarterbacks in this class that the giants just might not consider at all. So I think we can go into what they bring to the table little bit. Because I think there's there's a lot about Murray and say these this wide open offense, and whatever. But like you said there is still NFL throws in there. And he has still shown things that he can do that should translate to the next level. So if we just look at at the numbers overall so Murray, I think we've we've talked about marginal efficiency little bit on this. It's something Bill. Connolly of Espy nation has done football study hall. And it's basically just success rate above the expectation. So compared to what you would expect against certain defenses. So Murray had of fourteen point seven percent, marginal efficiency was mean, fourteen point seven percent better than what you would expect and among the quarterbacks who are going to be in the strap class. And again, we don't exactly know if Murray is, but we're going to talk like he is. But that's easily the highest in this group Dwayne Haskins is number two at twelve point eight point out will Greer who were not going to talk about. But we'll talk about leaders at twelve point four those three guys ten percent of men Murdy just really good. He's not someone who really got a lot of easy completions eight point seven one air yards per completion. Which is the second highest among like the fourteen quarterbacks that that are really going to matter fourteen or not gonna matter, but that's probably who were going to consider the. Class actually sorry that is the highest. He's the only one of two above eight. So fifty two percent of his passing yards came through the air. That's that's not a bad percentage. Eleven point one percent touchdown rate. He was on target on eighty point six percent of his passes per sports, info solutions only will Greer was higher at eighty one point four of this group and only Dwayne Haskins at eighty point five percent was the other quarterback over eighty percent. So this is this is a guy who was able to make a lot of throws in that Oklahoma offense that should be able to translate. Oh, definitely. And that was one of the kind of under the radar things. I really liked about Baker Mayfield last year was how many NFL throws. He not only made but made well in that Oklahoma offense it. Didn't look like an NFL offense. But. There are an NFL concepts within the offense. And the fact that Murray ran it. So well is a good sign for him translating to the NFL now I again, I was completely expecting him to wind up being a baseball player. So I haven't really I've watched him. I haven't studied him. So I don't I don't wanna say that he is as good a thrower or as good a passer. I should say as Baker was because baby wasn't just accurate. He was precise. He was able to put the ball not just on target. But specifically within receivers catch radius where he wanted to set him up for the most yards after the catch or keep the ball as far away from defender as possible. I don't know if Marie is has that same precision. But that's something going to find out in short order. Time start doing homework on him yet. That is absolutely something you were going to have to look at whether you know what? The difference between Murray and Mayfield in that offense. So I said person solutions Murray was on target for overpasses on eighty point six percent of his attempts. Then so sports solutions elast year. Baker Mayfield was on target at eighty one point five percent of his attempt. So that's close Mayfield up. A widow more than put over eighty is is great as we see in. These other quarterbacks is only three guys in this class who were eighty you have a couple of guys hovering around seventy six seventy five. So you can see I think burry does have that accuracy that can translate. I mean eleven point six yards per attempt. Like, that's insane. A Demaria whether we adjusted yards per tempt, which is has been proven to be a pretty good indicator of translatable success, and that's yards per attempt that factors in touchdowns. Knitter? Exceptions Baker Mayfield was the first in that last year was that this year. So these are these are all things that he's he's pretty accurate to all parts of the field. So I quickly tried to break down some of these things from one to ten yards past the line of scrimmage was on target eighty nine point one percent of time from eleven to twenty yards that was seventy eight point three and from twenty one. Plus that was sixty eight point nine to all three of those numbers actually better than Dwayne Haskins. Who I also really like end graded out very well who also has very good on target numbers. So I think I think the more we look into Murray and the more we seriously considered him as an NFL prospect. I think the better he might look. Oh, yeah. I think the only thing that might give people some pause is his frame and just whether or not he can withstand the kind of the rigors of the NFL. He didn't take a whole lot of sacks especially considering as often as he ran. And if he it wouldn't surprise me if he comes into the NF Okon combine at about two hundred pounds. Which is definitely small for quarterback. Although it's that's also only four pounds lighter than Russell Wilson was. So if he does measure at five ten two hundred pounds that's only a little bit smaller than Russell Wilson. And he's held held up. Okay. Yeah. Yes. It's the emerging less year. Only four point six percents sacree. That's fine. It's not the wheat is guys in some more quick hitting pass heavy offenses like Guardmen Minhsiu who was at one point nine or July at two point nine Haskins was three point six put it's better than we'll Greer who had to five point seven percent sacree. So very I think was able to to avoid those hits. And he was he was a really good runner, and that is not a negative. Please. Don't let anyone tell you that a mobile quarterback is or having mobility as a quarterback is a negative. I know Phil Simms was out there. The other day tweeting that how many of these mobile quarterbacks giving up big passing plays to run. I know this is a giants podcast. There's a lot of people who have positive feelings of Phil Simms as a quarterback. But I don't think his feelings have changed since he played quarterback. So I'm not sure if he's like the best guy to be talking about modern. Offenses or right now because mobility for quarterbacks and rushing ability in burning ability is a positive to sports info solutions there were sixty six players just players in general who had we sixty five rushing attempts in twenty eighteen during the regular season seven of the top nine I down rates. So the percentage of rushing attempts. That went for a first down belonged to quarterbacks at seven of the top nine of sixty six players. New quarterback rushing is a great thing age usually gives you an extra guy on offense. Usually when you have a running player any offensive play. There's eleven guys on defense against ten guys on offense because the quarterback is just not in the equation. But when you can add the quarterback that's another guy that defense has to account for. So having a guy like Murray who was a very efficient runner. So one hundred twenty two. Che's one thousand one hundred ten yards on the ground. That's nine point one yards per tenth. He had twelve touchdowns and only had two fumbles and dense very efficient. That is a great way to move the ball on offense, especially for these people who think establishing the run is the thing. So why would you also not think quarterback running is good that? I just don't understand new quarterback running is more successful and more efficient than running back running. So having a guy like Murray is just an added element to an offense that is going to help his game greatly. And if you could again this is venturing into fantasy land not fantasy football land. Just wis wishful thinking land if you could add that kind of. Running and passing officiency and his scoring officiency fifty four total touchdowns last year to what saquon Barkley is able to do and what Beckham is able to do and what they finally figured out over the last four weeks. Whatever Ingram is able to do. That is suddenly a terrifying offense. If you could have somebody who could maybe combined the best traits of Baker Mayfield and Lamar Jackson with those offense of weapons. It's one of those his probably not going to happen. But wishful thinking that could be absently terrifying. For a defense yet. Just imagine on like a third down or in the red zone of a defense trying to defend a read option with Cuyler Murray and saquon Barkley, I'm not sure how could be possible. You you guess wrong. Almost all of the time. If there's one upside to it the giants defense might suddenly be able to defend a read option because they could see it run competently in practice yet. It's something you could practice against. That's who I think that's something. Tony Jefferson said before Baltimore played the chargers in the playoffs. He was like we're glad we only have to practice against the mar- Jackson. We don't have to play him. Of course. The chargers figured out a way to slow down a, but I think right now, and I'm someone who likes Lamar Jackson a lot. I still do. I think Murray is a better thrower than the more was at this point. And I think he's just about as good of a runner so that is very positive in. So when you when you add that when you get someone who has that added a Bill when you who can throw downfield. So again on. On passan's that came twenty one or more yards past the line of scrimmage berry was on target on sixty eight point nine percent of those that had eleven touchdowns four interceptions. That is that's excellent to manning this year. Fifty six point four percent of his passes were on target on passes twenty one or more yards down the field in the air. Those numbers aren't going to match up because it's a little harder to pass downfield in the NFL. But you have someone who has that ability. So I think we're we're talking this up and giving now a more excited about the prospect of cobbler Mary being a giant than it was when we started here, although I think the realistic probability of that is is not as high as my excitement level is the, but I think this can only be a positive thing for the giants. Now that there's two quarterbacks that could be highly drafted. So I you would hope. Maybe you like one of those guys the end, and they should if they don't make one of them. I think they're they both go into differing types of prospects. The Haskins is six three to twenty. He's a good a pocket quarterback. He's not a guy who runs a lot. We had a fifty nine rushes for two hundred fifteen yards for a high state this season. So he is he is a pocket passer who's a bigger guy who can throw and then you have Murray who's the smaller more athletic guy. Who's a little more dynamic was. So I can't imagine how you wouldn't like one of them because one of them has to be the type of quarterback you like a, but also we have no idea if they're gonna sue Sisley consider a quarterback though where they're picking. Yeah. I know I think we have found out now that Dwayne Haskins who if we're being realistic is of the two probably the one the giants would pick. If. They were going to pick a quarterback and both were available. They would probably pick twin Haskins. He is certainly hoping that. They are looking for a quarterback in would pick him because it's. Kind of come to light over less that he grew up a pretty big giants fan. It's not just a good quarterback prospect. He. Is a fan of the team fan of the franchise, which is interesting. Yeah. He has has made it known. He would prefer to get drafted by the giant. So he tweeted out the other night, it has since been deleted. But it was of him Photoshop in a giants uniform. The only problem with that one was the giants have sense have retired number seven. So he'd have to be he couldn't wear that number seven. But yes, one widow inaccuracy there. But I think he'd be okay, picking another number. But yeah, he's someone who does apparently has made it publicly known. He would not mind being drafted by the giants. Although it was pointed out after he in his Instagram story, there were some other Photoshop of him in other uniforms. But as it was suggested to me on Twitter tweeting out the giants picture is kind of like how Facebook official. Used to be in relationships. He made the giants on Twitter. So he's also someone that the giants should look at if they're looking at a quarterback. He's a good pocket passer. Go sacri he was also very efficient in college. I think he has the ability to translate all of those things he did into an NFL system. I think in we can hope that this is good news for a possible path for the giants to the book at quarterback early this year. And I don't know I think maybe it's possible that with Murdy the venture declaring or the feeling is he's going to declare will get that answer next week because underclassmen have to declare by the fourteenth. So that in a couple of days, we'll know whether he's going to officially declare or not hopefully, he doesn't officially do that between the time. We've record this time we post it, which would be a very fitting. Thing for him to do and totally on brand for us. Yeah. It more fitting down for us that had actually nothing to do with Murray. That would just be how how it works for us Haskins officially declared right after we finished recording. Our review show. So yeah. Yeah. And then I think just the other day on big dot com. We did a big kind of group chat on on the first wave of head coach hirings. And I think like the second we posted that everyone else got hired. So yeah. That would be totally fitting. But I think with two guys right now that that gives the giants a chance to have someone day like at at quarterback, and at maybe now the competition for if there was competition for Haskins maybe that shifts over to Murray as so I think there's there's more options for the giants quarterback now. And I think that's good as long as they want there to be more options quarterback which time will tell if they do. Yeah. Now things get really interesting if. Alight manning decides to hang up and it really forces the giants hand, but we're nowhere near that point yet. Yeah. They I mean, we're still early. We're still here in in the middle of January. So there's there's a lot that's going to be going on. And we're going to continue tracking it and talking about whatever shifts in this dynamic come up at this was a major curve ball that we were thrown. And but I think I think it's a good thing. So we'll we'll continue following up on. What does should again be an interesting off season with quarterbacks. We thought it was last year. I kind of turned into nothing, but maybe it will be again this year. And now, it's it's more interesting than it was last week. I think were more interesting than it was yesterday two days ago in the beginning of the week. So I think we can end this show. Oh, there we are going to get back to positional previews in next week. I think we only have two left by the receiver and running back. So we are going to get to those. And then and then it's onto the senior bowl, which is going to happen at the end of the month. So we'll be talking a lot about what's going on there. Because that's that's a couple other all star games. But the senior bowl was is usually the big one that gets a lot of attention. So we'll be talking about that. So you can subscribe to this podcast wherever you get your podcast. 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What If Snyder Is Right?

The Kevin Sheehan Show

1:06:27 hr | 1 year ago

What If Snyder Is Right?

"You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about the kevin sheehan show now here's kevin you're listening to the sports fix yeah tommy here aaron tear the show. Today is brought to you by stamps dot com if you're small business used stamps dot com or in that later all right. I i have something for you to start the show okay. You seem all fired well. I was thinking about this on the drive over from the radio station this morning and i didn't touch on it on the radio station. What if tonight or or let me rephrase. What do you think the chances are that tonight is the beginning of a completely new new redskins era under the dan snyder ownership that this pushing to draft wayne haskins it turns out to be the one thing other than hiring joe gibbs in two thousand and four that the owner got right and he turns out to be in a league franchise quarterback and that's the one position that could overcome all of the surrounding dysfunction and we're on an eight to ten year beginning of redskins utopia while first thing i don't think could overcome all the dysfunc- why oy it did in arizona when kurt warner showed up no no no no no. We're talking about different kinds of fun. We are yeah really. We're talking about an owner who gets in the way of the the success a team president who gets away success a potentially a parent who gets in the way of success. This is a lot more complicated hated than how well twain haskins performs on the field. So if you wanna know what i would rate it there was a movie with james spader. I think it was back in the eighties and was called less than zero yeah. I remember that move okay well. That's what i would rate it less than zero. No you're wrong about that now. You're know you're here's what you're <unk> wing why because if he turns out to be the real deal if haskins turns out to be the real deal maybe they don't contend for super bowls but it ends up being a much better football team year-to-year moving forward kevon it just does get in the way of themselves salves. There was a terrible rounds. Were terrible owners. It's insanity and they by the we don't and wasn't even that great but it was good enough. It's not the same kind of of formula you again. This is a guy this. This is an owner owner who literally getting away this. This is a team president. This is i mean i can't fathom that. We're having this discussion. I can't believe what what what air you're breathing on the way drive over the radio station windows down and how many times do i have to say the are of self-destruction action they will find a way to screw dwayne haskins up. Even if haskins is great. They'll find a way well. If haskins is great lead by the way you can't say of haskins is great because based on your sort of condition going into this conversation kevin. He'll never recognize greatness here. He can't so we'll never know until he leaves here and goes somewhere else and maybe then becomes great see you. You won't know that till later. I think look i would. I would agree with you in a lot of different situations. Certain companies organizations certain certain sports organisations the n._f._l. Is the finest line league. It is the closest league between winning and losing and yes bad management gets in the way of winning and that's been proven out over this and snyder's twice as bad management. This is poisonous. It's manage okay and it's been poisonous at times and by the way it's at rock-bottom right now but it's the one sport where if you have the guy at quarterback quarterback if you have a guy that you stumbled onto and somehow he ends up being a top three to five quarterback talent franchise talent then they could have a run of being very competitive despite dan and bruce in anybody else. That's poisoning thing you know the the the coaches in the players in that locker room aaron. Please make sure that we we note. This little passage that that kevin is on on i mean this is the first preseason game. I can't imagine i bring it up now because you will be the beginning. I can't imagine what they're going. What what we're going to hear from you if they look any anywhere good in the pre knocking overreact to preseason football. I wanted to bring it up to you today. Because today could be the beginning tonight might be and they'll arts the beginning the beginning of wayne haskins era that snyder forced the team into and as an organization they stumbled into something in oh by the way is bad as dan is as bad as bidwell was kurt warner who different out there oh he tommy bidwell was nina bidwell. Would <unk> ever win anything. He was cheap and he got within a dry what they're gonna say. They're you hear him say he was cheap. He was and he was bad adding that organization stuff bumbled around so many decades of interference between bill bidwill and dan snyder. How about al davis i in his later years out. Davis was a bad owner later year. You know what a terrible they had a really good coach and a super hot quarterback back back in two thousand and two that took him to a superbowl. They didn't win it but they but you had a great coach which by the way would be the other thing to stumble onto. I just don't think the dan will be able to attract to the gal. Davis had a better chance of attracting jon gruden then. Dan does not the jon gruden is the end all be all but anyway i just i think if you've got a great coach or an elite quarterback that can overcome all of the other stuff so that could happen starting tonight. Well good well it. It could yeah okay. Do you hear you hear the laughter the laughter coming from houston. It sounds like trent williams. I i can hear them all the way from houston and he's probably listening to kevin. He's laughing his ass off he saying oh yeah this is the this is the beginning of an era alright. I asked you what the chances were. Were you say less than zero asking me what the chances are because i haven't answered my own question. Okay i'll bite. What do you think the chances are not very high. I don't i don't but you know why that is because i don't think haskins is gonna turn out to be an elite quarterback. I think put it this way. If they drafted cuyler murray somehow they had landed cuyler murray. Let's just say and cuyler murray was one of these incredibly dynamic exciting game changing players then i would have said the chances are fifty fifty that they could be in for a little bit of a run here over the next few years. Everyone had questions about ba- flying. I understand in that but i'm just saying mary last year's draft. I actually was very intrigued with still am with cuyler murray. I was not a big haskins guy. Hi <hes> what i'm trying to say is if if the quarterback if i loved the quarterback i would have given you a fifty fifty chance at a great quarterback could overcome all of the dysfunction y- you here's the other part to this. I was watching n._b._c. Sports washington the other night they have they actually show the practice and they had chris thompson mic'ed up by the way i i like chris thompson. I love chris. Thompson chris thompson and jordan reed. I tell you why they've they've got. It would go a long way to what you're possibly foreseeing. If what you think is is a slim possibility if those guys are healthy no matter who's playing quarterback. That's a big help but what i was especially chris thompson jordan re oh i think both of them are super important to to and if they're going to be any good offensively it'll be because the two of them stayed healthy but what i'm saying though is i'm watching this thing the other night and i'm like you know who doesn't doesn't get wrapped up into the dan snyder bruce allen you know dysfunction and all the stuff that's going on and what people think in the fan erosion ocean is on a specific day in august or any specific to any any day. I'm sorry in august after training camp starts these coaches and these players. They're making a living and they're trying to be good. They're working hard and they're trying to win and they're trying to get better and i know that you will say that many times in the past somehow the front office gets in the way of that. They got in the way of r._g. Three clearly but if you add an elite elite quarterback that's mature that pushes the owner to the side and says i can't you know i'm not gonna have this relationship with your figures figures out a way to sort of make the owner feel like there's a relationship there but really is dialed in on listening to his coaches and being a good teammate. I'm just saying that that group. That's in the locker room. In ends up on the field can overcome the management if the quarterback is lead and i would also throw in if you had a really first rate head coached that could really get the most out of what they're putting together i. I don't think it's going to happen. I really don't i just think that the only chance they have the only light at the end of the tunnel is an elite quarterback. That's their only chance to turn around what we see not right now which is a rock bottom franchise that the owner has run into the ground over twenty years and i might want to point out arguably their best offensive offensive player re is refusing to play for understand that that's a big thing. It's a huge. It's a huge thing. I mean every day. It becomes clear and clearer at least the message. That's it's being delivered right is. He's not going to play for this team but you know what if dwayne haskins by week ten or eleven putting a big numbers and all of a sudden he looks like the new patrick mahomes is like a superstar quarterback and it wouldn't be moms wouldn't be the comp maybe brady's the copper. Peyton manning's the cop and he just looks the part now all of a sudden next year here yeah. I hate bruce allen. I'm not a big fan of dan snyder as an owner but i wanna play with that doot so i'm gonna i'll i'll. I'll take the money that that <hes> on my final two years and go play form arm. I'm just saying tommy the only chance bad franchises have in the n._f._l. Is either an unbelievable coach or an elite quarterback. We're back. That's the only there's no way they're going to slow build this with really good drafts in smart acquisitions in great management great culture. That's not going to happen here here. We know that even though people are amazing in getting back to taking calls how incredibly optimistic people are about the redskins drafts like yeah right now. They don't look terrible. We can say that. We don't know anything about this draft. This may be the biggest bomb draft of all time if askins doesn't turn out to be really good but the only way franchises like the redskins bottom feeding franchises their only way out in the n._f._l.'s in quarterback okay but what we're really good head coach. Oh you talk about the the thin edge between winning and losing yes. This you know are you. Are you talking about the bruce allin <hes> propaganda baganda where he says we're this close no. I'm not talking about because you know they're. They think they're talking about just making a point. I know right and that's not what you're talking about then he he. I you're talking about a double digit win team. I'm talking about the fine line in an n._f._l. Game between winning and losing the talent for for the most part is pretty similar compared to other sports and it comes down to you know a lot of things that happened in the game but a lot of things that sort of setup setup what happens in a game like a good culture like not a lot of dysfunction like good people like people who are smart and work hard and sometimes times. You know what that quarterback was just much better than our quarterback today. I don't think the talent is that is that similar from team kevin. It's closest in the n._f._l. Any other sport that design that way tom yeah it may be but kevin when you watch playoff football even to the average this viewer the first thing they look at is how slow are is my team the washington redskins you see you could see it year after year in post oh season let me just make myself clear in this. I'm not saying that there isn't talent disparity between teams. What i'm saying is the talent disparity in the n._f._l. Is the closest of all of the sports. It's designed that way. You only have certain number players. You have a draft. That's based on previous record to give the losing teams a chance to get better players. You've got a salary cap. The difference between the best team in the league in the worst is team in the league in terms of rosters is much closer in the n._f._l. Then it is in major league baseball the n._b._a. or hockey that's what i'm saying and the number players involved. I'm just saying that there's the the line between winning and losing in the n._f._l. Is closer in that league than it is anywhere else but and by the way things that aren't within your control can determine games seasons like injuries like turnovers a a lot of those things <hes>. I don't wanna get wrapped up in that. My only point is for a bottom feeding franchise in the redskins or that wh- what is their way <music> out there way out ease stumbling onto an elite quarterback were somehow attracting in a lead head coach which by the way is much harder the quarterback because of the draft the quarterback can't say i'm not going to play for you. He has to play for them a head coach to get a good one has a choice so if they stumbled onto the quarterback here in dwayne haskins that would be their way out over the next ten years. I don't think it'll happen. I just think that the if they hadn't drafted a quarterback and they drafted darnell savage junior from maryland who by way was very high on their draft board in montana sweat and they drafted will greer in the third or fourth round the this conversation wouldn't be taking place. I'm just saying that that if you if you if somebody told you today eight years from now the redskins are going to be on a run of five playoff seasons in eight season in eight years. You would say well. It's because haskins turned out to be great. Well that would mean. It would be smart to invest in haskins haskins. Wouldn't it the company that they've created for. The quarterback believe that he's going to be the savior for he's ever. I don't believe the n._f._l. Snap i don't believe it i. I don't think they would think it would be good business to distance since themselves from dan snyder. If they're starting a haskins in haskins enterprise i would think they would think that dan snyder would be an important part of the success of of any business of haskins and haskins enterprise so i see a future business partner. Not just the quarterback okay okay. I guess you're not you're not first of all. What were you in your phone. They're looking for. Were you in there looking for the name haskins in haskins. Did you forget get that. Yes you're doing you know trying to come up with the name of his marketing companies brandon company and you couldn't couldn't remember it was haskins has hens. I can't believe you. You couldn't just as that that's what it was. This is why i see that piece of paper on the floor yeah yeah that's why i threw it on the floor and i throw it into wastepaper best because i know that you're going to have to clean it up. That's why that's why so you were going to take a shot at me within the first twenty minutes at a shy new you're sitting there as i was talking and you do this a lot over the years. Tommy will be you no deep into his phone. I mean i let me try to describe it. Tommy doesn't just look at his phone. He takes his phone and he puts it right into his face and i guess it's because your vision isn't very good with the with the font size or whatever but you have your phone right in your face right up against your eyes which by the way when you're you're doing a show with somebody can be distracting but it's not for me because i've gotten used to it over the years and you were doing that as i was talking. I'm like what is he looking for and then you came back with the whole haskins and haskins thing you couldn't remember haskins in haskins anyway. I i tell you we all should remember haskins and haskins because that's it's going to be a hot company well. I i wouldn't be buying the stock in haskins and haskins. I was just posing the question. You're just <hes> pontificating on honest scenario. I was no. Let's just say it had been another bad franchise. Who are the worst franchises in the n._f._l. After the redskins the raiders are still not a very good franchise right right. The jets aren't very good. Franchise the browns. I guess have turned it around but i wouldn't call them a great franchise with great ownership so if you know if one of these other bad franchises had gotten you know had been down in the dumps for awhile and he drafted quarterback that i completely believed in i would say they got a shot now to overcome all the dysfunction and that's all i'm saying about the redskins as if this guy is right and he's the real deal. I don't personally personally think he will be. That's my guess but if he were to turn out to be top five elite the next philip rivers the next. Tom brady radi the next peyton manning he would elevate this franchise. Is there anything that could happen tonight. That would change your opinion. No way enough of nothing okay good yeah. No my feeling about preseason. Yeah i mean it. It's it's it's more of an illusion and professional wrestling preseason football talk. It's the worst i mean you can't make judgments on any results because very because the results are all skewed by by what the coaches are calling what they're trying to accomplish bush who's in the game at that particular moment who they're facing at that particular moment these are these are like scrimmages. These are like dual practices. You you know so i mean this is what hopefully i think. This is that maybe the last year you're going to have four preseason game. I hope you're right. I i was saying on the radio show earlier earlier today if you didn't know him back on radio and back ninety seven to ten a weekdays monday through friday <hes> i i think it's the most dreadful product in professional channel sports the n._f._l. Preseason this. It's impossible to watch. I don't enjoy watching it last year. When i wasn't working in radio in the podcast had not launched just yet. I don't think i watched more than a quarter or maybe a half of the redskins preseason games and the reason is you hit on most of it very vanilla teams don't game plan but the but the bigger issue is that the players that are going to play the majority of the time when the regular season begins don't play nearly the at all during the preseason so you're not whatever you're looking at. It's a complete head fake. It doesn't mean anything name me. The last time in october over the skins are playing the lions or whoever they play in october man. You know jon allen. He's not having a good game. He had a he had a great start to the season back in august yeah. No one ever says that. The only reason you ever refer to the preseason is if there were if there was a serious injury the only reason you refer to it. The one thing i think can be instructive in the preseason is listening to the coach's in listening to their press conferences like especially if you have a guy like j. who can be very direct very honest and be easy to read like they're learning something from the pre season. Were not right. We're not in. It's an impossible product to watch <hes> with that said tonight is going to be for me the first preseason game since maybe be twenty twelve that i'm actually interested if not borderline excited to watch because of the quarterback i wanna. Let's see haskins. I wanted to see our g three. This is the reason to watch your team in preseason is if you've got a highly drafted quarterback last year. Alex smith didn't even play in the first preseason game but i i was interested in seeing alex smith when he finally played and i think that may have been the two quarters that i watched because he only played eighty two quarters in the preseason last year. He threw fourteen total passes. I remembered and the preseason less year. Actually we who knew that was the shape of things to come in a regular season. I've got i've got you know you get a lot of column ideas from the show that we do you know how many passes brady threw last year in the preseason how many forty four he threw forty forty four in our guy through fourteen. Jay's not learned that this dialing or building slowly in the preseason with your starting starting off fence that has not paid off an opener last year. They opened with arizona terrible team. That's the only time he's one in opener and looked halfway decent and yet the most of the really good teams. They've got their quarterback throwing a lot. During the preseason he might wanna just review some other best practices around the n._f._l. They're they're not even playing their start their first team quarterback tonight. They're not no cole mccoy. No they're not are you with me though that maybe like tonight because of haskins skins is a reason to watch if there's any reason to watch it's because the haskins i think there are a lot of redskins fans are really excited about optus quarterback and have drank kool aid that they don't care about the stuff around the quarterback and in a way they're kind of like you except on <unk> steroids that they think this guy will lead the redskins. I don't think i know that i said do you think if if there's any chance the redskins enter a new era it it's based on on the success of this guy. What percentage of the fans do you think are really into. The joint haskins night tonight. Okay the fan base that still exists. Yes i'd say seventy five percent really yeah. I love the people that are really still into the t._m. I think so. I think that's right. What about the people that have checked checked out in the last couple of years and just barely check in during the regular season until the season's over i'm going to say it's probably close to thirty five percent. Yeah i agree with that. Yeah yeah i. I think like a lot of several of my friends who really you know have checked out. I mean they gave away. You know they didn't renew season tickets over over the last five six years when the opportunity came up to do it for the first time you know in their lives. They don't watch as much anymore. They're part of that. Fan base is that has really gone away and i don't think the drafting of dwayne haskins has most of them back. I think that when the regular season starts in when he starts a game they will tune in to pay attention to see what he has but they're far from you know a buy-in at this point. The irony is and this shows you how how bizarre to redskins quarterback situation is the quarterback of the three who would drive the fans away the most if he were to open the season is cole mccoy. Yeah no doubt you know that would turn the fan base off. The motive is left of it. Yes <hes> <hes> i i agree with that but i also now believe i'd cooley on the podcast yesterday and i had forgotten that he told me when in the keenum trade was made whenever that was january or february he said that day on the podcast he goes you know colt mccoy's going to be the number one quarterback entering entering camp and unlike well they just traded for keenum. They may trade for rosen or draft somebody he goes listen to me. Colt mccoy is going to be the number one quarterback back in camp and he will probably start the season in twenty nineteen. There's nobody else that's going to make jay as comfortable in that window of otas minicamp training camp like colpepper is in fact. He said you know there's reports. It that colts being held out for precautionary reasons cooley essentially said he's being held out because jay doesn't need to see him. He needs to see keenum in haskins in really needs to see keenum to determine termine whether or not keenum is a legitimate threat to compete with coal yet. He knows what colt you can do for him. He's comfortable with that. In cold has the lead in in this competition he does in this is exciting for you. I mean i'm excited for you. If colts starts the season well yeah you know he's not my mike quarterback well so you sort of is but he isn't. I mean again. I thought he i thought he was good because jay gruden thought he was good and you think what of jay gruden is a coach. I think he's i think he's a smart offensive coordinator. Who's over his head as a head coach right. Okay <hes> i. We're not gonna see colt tonight. We'll see case. I think i said this yesterday but i want to say to you. I think if case takes a series or two and comes out. That's an indication that jay's comfortable after with case if he plays a whole quarter four five series something like that in the first half then i think he's really trying to find out whether or not keenum can be illegitimate competitor to to <hes> to colt as far as haskins goes. I think he already shanahan told me after the draft. He said i asked him. When will j. know whether or not haskins is ready to play at the beginning of the season. He said a week into training camp so i think gruden gruden already knows that haskins is not going to start in philadelphia yeah <hes> that it's a keenum colt at least according to j right <hes> but you've got to get this guy a lot of reps okay but but what happens if the trent williams scenario rears its ahead tonight so so obviously bad that everybody who's behind the center whether it's keenum or haskins is a bum russia's is under attack. I mean what happens if the if if the normal football fan can sit at home and say oh my god no one's going to play quarterback for this year because no one's going to be able to stand back there i mean do you think that would be dramatic development. If it's so so obvious that that that whoever is behind center is vaughn is is right for a train wreck. I think tonight could really we make dan in bruce in j <hes> potentially sit up and say we gotta figure this thing out somehow because of myles garrett who is truly one of the monster pass rushers in this league if he's destroying donald penn or doron christian or eric flowers and god forbid anybody from cleveland hits twain haskins flush because they didn't protect off the left side well enough <hes> yeah but the problem is as we still don't know whether this is about money or about something else trent <hes> j._p. Finley had the report this morning. That sources is close to trent. Williams said this is not about money and he's not coming back. Charley casserly was on the radio show with me yesterday. He said this is totally about money and charlie who is not one you know predisposed to back. The organization said he totally understands where the organizations coming through this which sean gilbert hilbert understand that this is a personal thing for me made the point to he said the deal. The trent signed was the number one deal when he signed it. He's the one that shows a longer term. Deal in the front loaded deal and he knew that these final two years would would be years in which he wouldn't be the highest paid tackle anymore in terms in terms of average annual salary salary. Go back and read some quotes from the sean gilbert cover. Tell i don't even remember. I don't remember them off. The top of my head well sean gilbert. It says god was going to tell them what to do. Yeah and basically charlie dug in his heels. Yeah you know and he sat out the whole year so i think that's you know trump. You may be right. I'm just saying that he has he has some personal history with a player holding out for you know like for the season now. L. could go the other way. What happens if if whoever plays quarterback tonight is comfortable back there yeah i mean could that. Would that be any kind of sign saying you know well. Maybe we could get by. I don't know i think the problem with these preseason games is nothing gets schemed up more for a regular season game against the defensive opponent than pass pro. You know that scheme related. You're now you could certainly see a situation where myles garrett who is a just a phenomenal five. You know oh potential pass rusher in this league blows by donald penner drawn christian and they don't have a chance and you're like oh jesus it could be no schemes gonna help them know alex. Just just be a power rush. You know there's always you know his side their side and the truth after all of these weeks of hearing all these different reports which all of them conflict with each other. I just think that trent doesn't wanna play here anymore. I definitely believe that. He is among among a lot of players in agents. In this league they do not trust bruce allen and he doesn't want to spend the last few years. Call it three four five five years of his career continuing to play for a franchise that doesn't have a chance to contend. I think he wants a bigger deal one more big deal and i. I just think he wants wants to be traded to a place where you can get another deal and play for somebody that has a chance well if if he wants out the way to do it is to declare that you don't trust what's the organization because because at our medical staff i mean i don't see how you come back from that. I know you said this before and i think the problem is is that a lot of other people you pull out their dispute that and say that that's the this may be a one off aberration again the training staff one word for the best training that in the n._f._l. I don't i don't think people in the locker room. The remember mos- mo- morgan moses react right when he heard about what trent williams said he said it's about time. Somebody spoke up. I don't think that's the thought in the in the locker i i you know what maybe this will end up being much bigger than we think in trench just the first player of four five that say i want out because of the medical group but i don't know <hes> the trent williams thing i've come to the conclusion. I did before all of this. I just want them to start taking off. I first and wait for the best one and they may have to wait that out. They may have to wait a month. They may have to wait until the regular season into the regular season but somebody's going to get get desperate and say trent. Williams is the answer to this injury we just had and he makes us better and they're going to give up something that the redskins will be able to accept ah i think they've gotten to the point where it's going to be tough unless dan can go down there and say. Let's work this thing out. Tell me what you want. Tell me what's wrong. Let's work this thing out. We want you to play. We're not budging. We're not going to trade you. <hes> we're gonna wait for you to come in and if you don't come in. We're not gonna pay you but let's work this thing out. You've been good to us and we've been good to you. You know it is a franchise that rewarded him after he was suspended twice. I know you know including during the stretch of a playoff drive in two thousand sixteen so there is some loyalty that the organization has shown to him. I agree there. There has been what happens tonight a look. I'm asking you but you don't really know but i'm going to ask you anyway because if i based it on that i wouldn't have anything there you know yeah. I mean <hes> bob. You got a new coach in cleveland <hes> freddie kitchens. You've got <hes> a town. That's a buzz about their football team. How much much how much of a factor would it be for them to feel the need to make a statement even in their first home preseason game no now. I don't think that they need to make any statement in a preseason game i if you if you're thinking that way as a head coach i mean but you're a brand new head coach. You've got a town when's the last time any franchise got truly alarmed about preseason results other than teams who lost a a bunch of players to injury. I don't know last time. A coach got fired in the preseason. George allen got fired remember when he was the head coach of the rams. Yes the second time yeah yeah yeah wasn't that during the preseason has it was yeah but i'm just saying that's another i don't. I don't think i mean normal. People would not react that way but you know i mean he. You've got a brand new coach in a city that is hyped up about their football team and i think at least maybe for a quarter. They're gonna wanna see show well. I mean when joe came back in two thousand and four. I remember this town was as is excited as it had been in a long time for the football team and his first preseason game was in the hall of fame game in canton against denver the colt brennan game now. I know the running game was against the colts. Okay in in the hall of fame game was in the hall of fame thunderstorm. That was under zone. Yeah <hes> mm yet was under zone. I think it was designed yeah but <hes> in the very first quarter they lost a jon jansen remember. One of their key players was hurt and out for the year on the first series but i remember being super pumped up for that but the cleveland i it's not it's not apples to apples. The the cleveland situation is that they do have some talent. They've got you know and they may have the quarterback that can overcome yeah. A bad franchise is and we started to see signs of last year they also with all of those picks in rebooting the franchise. Which is what i would have done. If i were the redskins this past season they acquired acquired a lot of young talent including guys like myles garrett and denzel ward and then in the trade for o._b. Jay they also got olivier vernon there to pass rushers burton vernon or scary as a tandem when the question mark is the coach yeah again what they have is a general manager and and the redskins don't john dorsey yeah yeah the redskins don't have won. The browns have a layer. You've got a terrible owner and has one but they have now a pretty strong layer between between the owner and the team in john dorsey something that the redskins have never had they will everyone thought myself included that bruce allin would be that layer and he just turned out to be toll booth rich true. Did you see what freddie kitchen said this week about leaks in the building yeah. That's that's that's not gonna work. You can't do that words anytime. An anonymous quote hits the paper. What are they gonna do an investigation i mean how are they going to find out if they do find find out that a leak came from the building he said <hes> they're fired immediately. That's the way were running this organization john dorsey can take it. I can take it. We won't crack. I promise you cleveland's gonna be an interesting team. You know they're the co-favourite to the a._f._c. North with the steelers co favorite to win win. The division moved to a <hes> got a presumably third round pick for duke johnson. Who's going to the texans say again. The browns traded duke johnson to the texans for a fourth-round than if he plays ten games third around okay so this is really interesting first of all you know they have nick chub and they have have kareem hunt so that makes johnson expendable for the browns right. Do they have somebody else in there too. They have a couple other guys but those are the two men yeah so so. You've got luke johnson who by the way i've liked is running back again. That's all i think he's pretty good but the fact that the cleveland got a potential third rounder for duke johnson. I'm telling you right now. That trent williams would bring back a i i. I had thighs men on the radio show today. So what do you think they're going to get back for him. I said well i think in a normal normal situation they it would be like a second and something else but it won't be normal. They gotta wait for the team. That's desperate and a desperate team. Team may give up a first and joe said i was delusional. Well duke johnson getting a third round. Pick a running back. You're gonna tell me a left tackle one of the most important positions in in the n._f._l. If a team that thinks they can contend this year bucked yari the left tackle and green bay and the p. He goes down tonight to the packers play tonight. Whatever ever this weekend you're going to tell me that the packers would put aaron rodgers in this season in jeopardy rather than giving up what they perceive to be. Maybe a late first first rounder for trent williams. I agree with you. I i think they could get a lot more than most people think for trent williams i agree with you can let let's stick. The trent williams one more thing because another layer just popped in my head. You've read have you read the stories about how financially hurting adrian peterson and have okay. He's in trouble. You know what can i just. I just wanna say something. I had clinton on the show today and i had written down to ask him about adrian. Peterson situation because clinton went through a lot. Yes he said but we just sorta ran out of time i i really wanted to know if he's talked to adrian peterson about this because i think they know each other pretty well but go ahead okay so you have adrian any peterson who needs to play and probably has a contract that has some incentives based on on on how how he performs during the season in terms of he does okay so his good buddy. His close pow is sitting back in houston that the basically leave the basically the plow. That's going to pave the way right for adrian peterson to get paid is sitting at home in houston trent williams and if he is not going to play what will and we just talked about protecting the quarterback so far at this point. What about the running game. What about the running game without trenton williams. What about adrian peter everything suffers without trent williams but remember you know everything's going need to suffer without trent williams for twelve to thirteen games a year 'cause he's going to miss a couple of games and they're going to be a few more that he's gonna play that. He shouldn't have played credit for that but he's not been the most reliable guy and also. I don't think that this is something we've talked about before. I think you and i've talked about it this. This fan base tends to get completely out of control when talking about various opposition groups on this team and they've had this delusional thought the redskins have had this elite offensive line over the years you know if healthy trent williams brandon sheriff morgan moses the redskins offensive offensive line has barely been a top ten offensive line fully healthy and one of the reasons is trent. Williams is not the best left tackle in the game you could argue is the top three top five worst worst case scenario but it's not a great offensive line. It's it's a decent offensive line. If it's healthy and ah i was looking for and i just found it e._s._p._n. Dot com did this thing recently. Were they ranked all of the position groups one through thirty two and the redskins had you know suming full health health the fifteenth best offensive line in the league so without trent williams on that offensive line tommy it becomes like the twenty fifth best offensive line in the league so yeah they'll have problems about him but again. I'm always it's not that great. It's barely good right with him in that won't be very good without him. My issue is always with this team. More what happens off the field on the field and with adrian peterson persson you can't you can't separate the two because what happens on the field is going to affect adrian peterson off the field obviously if he's dealing going with a financial crisis and his life which could cause a lot of dissension in that locker room. If you have an anc we've seen adrian peterson in places places where he hasn't been happy and he makes his feelings known and if he's going into the regular season with the offensive line without trenton williams looking eyes pocketbook hawker book and and looking at watching moths fly out of it he he's he's gotta speak up. This is just another level another layer of ascension can you imagine and if it starts off really poorly and they can't run the ball and a._p.'s watching all that incentive stuff to help him get out of debt. You know basically you know flutter away and he's unhappy with the organization because they didn't get handled trent right and now you gotta adrian peterson who was for my money. The best player on the team should know so <hes> now all of a sudden. You're two best players from a year. Ago can't stand you. What is that safer you i. It's a possibility i mean i don't know if i should feel sorry for adrian peterson 'cause i don't know the details but more times than not would you to agree with me that these athletes taken advantage of this they do yes they do but i don't know how many times how many generations have to go through this before they learn well. I can't speak to it because i've never been twenty two years old and handed a million dollars. You would be twenty three if if i handed twenty twenty two million dollars at twenty two but i i mean specifically adrian peterson you write about the birthday party. He threw for himself once. I mean it it was it was the the washington post wrote a big story about it. It was it was so it was it was beyond the president self-indulgence house that it would've embarrassed donald trump. That's how self-indulgent really it was. I vaguely remember. Do you remember the adrian peterson birthday party i. I don't think i read that story. Go ahead and google. I will just office self absorbed publicly. No i think he comes across as a decent guy publicly who just happens. The beat beat his kid. That's all he did so he did and you know there are certain things about that culture her in where he grew up that it wasn't necessarily unusual i know but if we're going to go down the culture road cultures in the world where it's okay cut off. Somebody's hand shoplifting. I understand that that's just their culture singapore yeah <hes> i don't get caught shoplifting in singapore now all right <hes> <hes> you ever been a singapore. I haven't neither have i. Haven't you have any desire to go to the far east i do do you really haven't been it's the it's really the one area korea of the world that i haven't. I've not been to asia. I have a lot of i would love to go to japan. I'd like to go to china. You haven't been japan you have have i was such a plan for it. In nineteen olympics not a fan. No no really yeah not a fan at a culture <hes>. I've got a friend that is there a lot <hes> on business and he he loves it loves it but whatever <hes> i i mean you don't it's rare when you like any place other than you know around here or we're like the pope where the poconos jersey shore right away i just went to y'all let you do like italy. I just love it. Just went to bump stock used yes weekend yeah until you're gonna ah i didn't talk about it because it's not really worth talking about four k. you can you can. Is it a good group. Still all you have a lottery one. It's still a great a group to bed well. Here's here's the thing we're sitting around one time the saturday night at nine o'clock and we're telling now talent pass bump stock stories. We've we've gotten past the high school stories now telling pass bump bump stock stories and we're telling a story about what happened in the early days of bump stock and i pointed out to everybody. It's it's nine o'clock at night. I said the thing that we're talking about. That happened five hours from now. Exactly you know her work on a bank crate. We we have that happened yeah. It's nine o'clock. That happened about two or three a._m. Yes oh god what a night that it was. It was a lot of that yeah so that's all it was fun but it's not the same what about what about wyoming wyoming in a long time. I may go back now. I have good news. I mean it got to the point where it was kind had a painful for me to go because of my bad news haven't been there for quite a while. I may make a return this november all right. 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So thinking about one more thought tommy on this preseason game and the preseason of role i was thinking about a lot of what's coming out of camp from jay and coaches and players in media people who are down there about players that really need to have a good next two or three weeks and that's in camp and in some of these games and the number one guy by far is josh dachshund because if you believe everybody that terry maclaurin and who knows we've had the preseason. How many times have we said oh my god that guy was it marco co marko mitchell marcus mason brennan. Yes you know going season here in the preseason heroes babe offenburg way back in the day but <hes> if the receivers the young receivers that they drafted terry mclaren and kelvin harmon in particular and they they really like apparently sims as well if they turn out to be guys that jay thinks we can't keep off the field josh dachshunds done yes and and we should be done yes but but i made this point earlier like if we get to the point where josh toxin gets cut <hes> it's his fault you know he has so much talent. You liked him coming out i when they were on the clock. Remember we doing the shore. Was it now we were doing a show and i said that that particular night that draft draft night like you know what josh docs is there. I pick him because i loved him. I mean you know my son was at t._c._u. And i thought he had tremendous talent which i still think he has is tremendous talent but god. I don't know that in recent memories far as this team goes there's ever been a guy that has immense talent all it that seems to want it so little like he just there's no urgency. There's no passion the whispers behind behind behind the scenes like early in his career yeah that he was sick. He didn't really like it was that but also early that first year was that he was a true home body and hated not being at home in his twenty two years old. Whatever but i think that if this terry maclaurin everybody's raving about and by the way was a a hell of a you know he was a big time favourite of urban meyer like quality hard working does everything receiver and special teams guy so so if he's really good we know that they're going with paul richardson because he was a j guy you know he got hurt last year but jay really likes richardson. Quinn is the slot receiver for now. Now you know dachshund could be in trouble. I would not be surprised if dachshund doesn't step up in a major way and really make them change their mind mind maybe they he may have to change their mind or somebody may have to get hurt for him to make this team. I think we're gonna be watching the last couple of games of josh toxin in a redskins uniform for i think more likely than not bigger bus michael westbrook then right. Oh much bigger yeah these michael westbrook two thousand yard season. Oh yeah no westbrook. Westbrook was a bust based on where he was picked. He had some games in a couple of seasons. Were he was probably their best receiver. <hes> josh toxin will be one of the all-time time first round bus for the redskins right up there with <hes> you know the penn state offensive lineman that they took it. You know that number thirty overall <hes> you know <hes> some ah god tom carter and carter you know who's the defensive lineman in the nineties that they picked in the first round. You know some of these picks. Charlie speaks and i love charlie. Wilson was in a poverty wasn't a bust canard. Lang lang was a bit of a book bobby wilson had had it a disc in his neck. That's true canard's when he played he was he was a b. Canard lang was more of a first round heath shuler and all time i must clearly and desmond howard and all time first round buzzy came a super bowl <hes> m._v._p. As a kick returner i mean that that's still one of my all andre johnson was than the offensive lineman from penn state that was trying to think of <hes> one of my favorite robert stories is the jeff bostick a quote from desmond howard's first day at practice after holding holding out that was a ninety to hold out where he held south rippin held out and i think dow green held out to i don't remember the darryl green part. I certainly remember the report. <hes> someone asked jeff bostick after desmond howard's i practice <hes> how how did how did you look in jeff said he can't play what's wrong was he. Was he hurt what happened the he. He can't play at this level right now. He can't get off the line of scrimmage and that's the first thing football people look at for a wide receiver because in college college. They're not playing pressman. You know it's a wider field with with the hashes more space and at the n._f._l. Level they know almost immediately mmediately whether or not that receivers legit or not because it's about getting off the line of scrimmage against an n._f._l. Corner and desmond howard couldn't do it day one and never could do it now but was a hell of a kick returner for the packers <hes> anyway <hes> heath shuler may be the all-time bust i think he is he's got to be the the all time draft bust just looking through to refresh my memory of all the first rounders <hes> <hes> certainly in that this era that that would be number three overall supposedly north's guy get him either franchise quarterback back and it became very apparent almost immediately that their seventh round pick gus was better eat now by seventh round in tulsa yes from tulsa <hes> <hes> but <hes> on on you can't put andre johnson in that class because he was thirty overall <hes> patrick ramsay was thirty two overall <hes> yeah. I mean laurent landry really he was okay. <hes> he flexed his way out of the league. Yeah he did man he was he was cut. That's for sure all right <hes> couple of other things to get to <hes> so did you see the antonio brown story about his feet about the frostbite. Yeah is that unbelievable. It really is a dope. Have you watched hard knocks yet. I have not watched hard knocks yet. I've i've heard very lukewarm reviews. He's insufferable and he was a big part of it. I finally got. I finally got to it <hes> or got to part of it man. I want that to to blow up in the raiders face and i think it's going to i think it will to a reminds me of there. Was this player for the orioles. <hes> back when the orioles were treading water and in early two thousands <hes> call marty cordova eastbound for the twins and he played for the orioles and <hes> he he was he was is in love with himself. He was a good looking guy <hes> and <hes> he valued suntan and one time he had he had to be scratched from game game because of sunburn he got from montana and ed from a tanning oh god so he couldn't play because he got some things are so unhealthy do from a tanning bed. Oh my god yeah now. It's funny. I ran into him years later. He was an m._a. Guy and he recognized me up in philly at it at a mixed martial show arts fight. Here's very nice to talk to but i just think of what's this is the guy who who who who was so who wound up getting sunburned and couldn't play from it so that's the the <hes> the frostbite khanna reminds me that <hes> cryotherapy by the way apparently is good for a lot a lot of things including something that i've sort of suffered from for the last year which is migraine. Apparently it's very good for people who have had migraine headaches and dan when i started getting these i went to see somebody there like you know you. Once you ice yourself lot and i'm like can you get a nice tub. Can you and i'm like no. We don't have an ice tub hub. <hes> i do have a lot of ice packs around the house. I have a cryogenic chamber in. I think i'd love to try that once. Apparently it's very good for you now. Apparently the redskins have them have them come editor. Yeah i mean apparently it's one of those things i mean. It's an inflammation reducer. Anything super cold. <hes> is is <hes> but anyway <hes> the other thing was. Did you see what kevin durant said. He took the warriors completely off the he did. I actually people people were were expecting expecting and now. I don't see how you could people. Were expecting a loss. I know at at us you know for as much as we've knocked durant's sensitivity and social media. You know a hypersensitivity this i. I give him a lot of credit first of all. Let's not forget the night that this injury happened <unk> bob myers. The general manager of the warriors was crying in the post game press conference and you and i both came in here. I think the next day and said have you ever seen somebody look so guilty like the steve kerr just explaining over explaining like oh my god. They pushed him back to quickly. They're they're gonna pay for this and yet durant came out and told yahoo sports yesterday. How can you blame the warriors hell no. I heard the warriors pressured me into getting back back. Nobody never said a word to me. During rehab as i was coming back it was only me and the trainer working out every day right when the series started. I targeted game five hell. Not it just happened. It's basketball shit happens. Nobody was responsible for it. It was just the game. We just need to move on from that shit because i'm going to be back playing okay never mind yeah. I'm i'm i'm glad he did that because first of all if this this were true and he didn't do that that that would be incr- that would be a professional misstep on his part because people would would know about they wouldn't trust him because he did essentially be sabotaging or some arena franchise without dishonestly <hes> if this is actually how it happened. I'm very it's good that he took the team off the hook than the team trying to take yes no no it is it's a step up for him <hes> but it it takes aches wanted a story lines away from the n._b._a. Offseason well. He's not playing next year and if he does it'll be super late in the year. <hes> mm last thing is the nationals i mean their series in san francisco getting pitching from god feddie a release which ross hasn't been scored upon in this last to start. I think it's eleven innings yet. He's not giving up one. Yeah you know remember. I think it was with you. It could have been with zuckerman but there was is a start that ross had a couple of weeks ago where ultimately the numbers look terrible but i said to zuckerman it was mark. I'm like he actually really pitched well like if you watch the game which i did he was really battling in pitching pretty well and then a couple of bad things happened in the floodgates opened in march said you know what you're right right like i talked to some people and they thought joe actually had some really good stuff that day so it may have been sort of the precursor of what was to come. He's better as a starter tommy than coming out of the bullpen oh yeah he is i mean but look in the old days in the old days but and i don't think this was a bad practice. Young starting pitching would would work their weights from the bullpen to the starting rotation. It was a way to get your wet in the major leagues to learn about al batters to learn about umpires to learn about being a major leaguer and then you would move on to the starting rotation. Nobody does that anymore or you're right. Joe ross is better as a starter and if he's if he winds up being the starter that they thought he was now that he's recovering from tommy tommy john surgery a while ago when they got him in the trae turner deal that is really found money at this 'cause they don't have anything in their high in on their high minor league system in terms of pitching depth they have nothing and i want to point out that i was right about annabel sanchez. You're when i came back from spring training he is this is the guy who i saw in spring training. I mean he may not be able to give you seven seven innings but for six innings great the other night eight yeah he's he's. He's got fifteen pitches in his repertoire l. I mean he's he's. He's just like leo except the better version at this point leabeau's crafty yeah well. He's a lot like that. He's a very smart guy he he he knows how to you know to change a <hes> <hes> rotation he knows how to <hes> change speeds and he is right now the most important picture on the staff none of this matters. If max scherzer gone well you know you say that and it's it's baseball and the teams that are contending for the wildcard. They certainly aren't of the quality of the teams contending for the wild card in the american league right. Those teams are just better teams than the national league team so wouldn't shock me if sure zor i i if scherzer's really compromised misses a lot more time. I think they could still get a wild card with what they have. I don't think you know what coaching told me yesterday he said said the nats pose the biggest threat to the dodgers if they get into the postseason because of their starting rotation and then he said the other team that would pose a threat to the dodgers if they got under the postseason the mets because of their starting rotation yeah and the mets come to nats park this week no no no nets go to the mat. Let's go to matt. I'm sorry that's right. It's on the road and they're skipping feddie start because it's normal return for sanchez so the natural throw strasbourg corbin and sanchez this weekend against inste- stroman who the mets just acquired syndergaard and degrom is a huge series the the mets have won thirteen of fourteen games now. I was looking at their their their win streak here. They're run here bad teams that they faced during this run. This is your former you know favorite team than the the mets they beat the padres the pirates the white sox <hes> to from the <hes> the pyre a two more from the pirates and then four straight from the marlins now the the mets have to face the nats in the braves in the next six then they go to kansas city then they get cleveland atlanta the cubs the phillies the nats the the phillies the d backs the dodgers. Their schedule gets brutal yeah. They have very good starting pitching and you know they've got <hes> that that rookie alonzo who's who's really developed into a hell of absolutely no i look the nats didn't need another contender to have have to deal with they were particularly happy with the mets dead and buried but they're not dead and buried and then they're all big series at this point. The key guy is the guy i is annabel sanchez of the three patriots you just mentioned. He's your weakest link. He arguing you know so if he delivers like he's been if your weakest link is delivering like sanchez has they might be able to tread water but i don't see i don't know if they can compete for awhile car without <unk> out max scherzer frighteningly the time yeah i i think they will i think without sherzer they could still compete for the wild card. Their starting pitching thing is still decent and offensively. I mean they've. I mean they've got guys. They've got run. Don't they've got soto. They've got roadblocks. They've got trae turner. You know hitting well i i. I love suzuki to me. He's one of their clutch performance. Yes yes so i could still see them. Snagging one of the two wild cards you just wouldn't it's baseball anything can happen happen in a best of five and then the best seven after that <hes> but they would be a massive underdog obviously as a wildcard winner against the dodgers without sugar. I got into that series against the dodgers. Well first of all you got to win the wild card yes so you'd probably time it so you have what if you don't have sherzer then you gotta have strasberg yes so then you're in trouble against the dodgers because you won't get strasbourg back michael game four maybe game three at the earliest depending on the schedule yeah yeah and you're talking about austin voth wrenching in postseason sanchez corbin and then either ross or feddie okay. If you didn't have sherzer you wouldn't have to go abo- i don't feel good about eric petty. I'd rather have austin vote. He was really good the i'd rather you know what there's something about joe ross. I've always liked. I hope it works out for them. I think sometimes i think he i think he's got a lot of stuff. I think he's very confident. I would not feel terrible about him having to take three four five starts down down the stretch here. I don't think i would feel badly about it. I'm i don't know what it is about him. I like him rooting for him and he pitched great yesterday a and he pitched phenomenally well in his last start to against <hes> who's arizona right. Yeah was that last year and the bullpen bullpen edition so far. I'm one guys on the injured list but it's helped the bullpen is deeper and it's helped them. Yes it has <hes> all right. You got anything else for me. I'm just excited to watch the new era of redskins football the night vevey <hes>. I was excited to watch some golf this weekend because i was hoping tiger woods would be in contention but you know you for par and then second to last right now in the around. What again like i've told you before you're told scott. I mean you had your moment. It's it's. I mean why be greedy. He came back and won the master did did you were wrong about that. Was that so. I don't understand why people think they're going to get the old tiger back. I thought after augusta this year. I thought we were gonna see tiger back <hes> he's not well apparently all right <hes>. That's it enjoy the game tonight. <hes> i'll be back tomorrow r._o. For a brief recap of the game catch me in the morning on nine hundred eighty seven to ten a lot of people will be on the show. <hes> be joining us as well. If you're listening on. I tunes race review us that helps subscribe as well doesn't cost you anything and tommy you will be doing what this i'll be back on one. Oh six seven fan with my vacation vacation over saturday and sunday morning awesome thanks to aaron. Thanks to all of you have a great day. Enjoy the game tonight.

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"All Right Steve Harvey's Florida's the owner of that team Jordan. Steve says quote my views. Tell them every year you're paid to play eighty two games but they apparently only paid wind in my twenty five. Yeah Michael does not think of himself as a player in this regard and come to think of it I feel like he always himself as an owner. To begin with south is the player who played eighty two games a year. But I got Jon Gruden. WHO's host the chargers tonight? Now we love pointing and laughing pinged Gruden when he hired Mike mayock entreated Khalil Mack and went four and twelve and did hard knocks all that stuff. But you look now in. His raiders are four and four seconds in the AFC see west with one of the best offenses and Kinda legit playoff aspirations. So Bomani does a win tonight in Gruden deserves our praise. What you say director was or and you're asking me if I am going to praise a ten million dollars a year coach for being five and four? That's what the question is. We're supposed to praise Jon gruden room for this. Is that you know. He's not praised for this. I will say this has gone better than I expected it to. We have to remember the last time John Gruden WANNA playoff game was super bowl in January in two thousand and three so. I didn't think that him just dropping in here amid magically that all of a sudden everything was going to be figured out so good for them if they are above five hundred past the midway point of the season appraise as called down the ten year. One hundred million dollar tenure. That he has is unique. It is unprecedented. Basically in my memory. At least and Jon Gruden I feel like has has succeeded in developing an identity. That is the word I keep on hearing around this team. It feels like a euphemism mostly feels like the identity. is they had a giant. Mammoth mammoth offensive line. That is really good so they can protect Derek. Carr Derek Carr now get sacked less than any other quarterback. They can clear lanes for Josh Jacobs. Who is the guy who kind of you've single handedly makes the Khalil Mack? Trade look less insane but the defense is where I have major questions Bo. Because they are twenty-ninth defensively by the here's the thing they'll talk about the identity being that offensive line that precedes grooten. That's not his stamp on the team. Now the one thing I will give him his dare cars better now than he is up to this point in his career. He's averaged seven point nine yards per attempt which is a high for him and for dude who is religiously thrown shakedowns. This is a sign of improvement. Like the word Jon Gruden always was if you work with your quarterback USA turn Derek Carr into something great. But he's definitely worked with so yeah down to give him credit for that way to go way to make. Derek Carr looked like a pretty good quarterback raiders remain in be playoff on debt is admittedly so far beyond my expectations. But yesterday we asked the question or the seahawks good and we said no basically because they have a top-five offense and a bottom five defense. That's the raiders. Except the raiders. Offensively are actually worse so I do feel like a win against the chargers great news for the division in but I don't buy stock in them long term the chargers Hannah turn this thing around with offense coordinator to maybe we shall see but now quiet Leonard we we will talk about his play last night against the butts because he didn't play against the bucks the NBA announced his absence was because he was hurt. Not Load Management But then doc rivers said before the game. The absence was preventative expected to play tonight versus the blazes on TNT Pablo. How does it look? The rivers contradicted the League health. It looks like Doc rivers. I gave the game away and this whole controversy reminds me although another thing that sacrifices entertainment at the altar of rings culture which is tanking thanking. It reminds me of that because I get why it happens it logically make sense. I get why you can't really stop it outside of massive rules changes but the mistake made in both circumstances. Circumstances is that you have call it by a terrible name like the NBA seems to have resolved. Let's just stop calling this. Let's just call it injury and doc kind of Said Yeah. We're kind of load man but I don't think that's going to fix the problem. I think it's easy to view this entirely through a prism of public relations. But in the end people wanNA see Leonard Play. I don't think they care. Hear why he's not playing. They don't care if he's gone to a funeral if they pay for a ticket or they tune in and they see their their the problem is going to exist so they can try to talk around it in the again. I think this dude is a bad example because I don't know what exactly is going on with him health wise like the NBA saying no under our metric. He came down is being hurt. He's a dude who literally it really might be hurt all the time thereby needs to be managed in such a way so I don't quite know what to make of it. I just know if I turn to butts clippers and there's no quiet Leonard of probably ably turn into something else in. That's what the problem but the problem is pr in the sense I think the NBA and the clippers were trying to retreat into that complexity that you alluded to because on the one handed is absolutely true. That Leonard is more hurt than people realize. Those knees are a problem they will be a problem but it is also true on the other. Hand that if this was the playoffs playoffs right now Leonard would be playing in these games with the NBA and the clippers wanted to say was. Hey this is medical this is not a strategy and that's where the PR interesting. Yeah I guess but again. I don't know if people care about that part. I really don't know what that's the part that they care about. I think they simply care about. Is this guy out here because the NBA unlike any other sport is matchup. Dependent is dependent upon who the people are that are going to be out there and whatever the reason is those are going to be out there. That's the problem well. Well let's turn now to another star. Odell Beckham Junior. Who can count his number of red zone targets from Baker Mayfield on three things Mary? KAY CAVITE OF CLEVELAND DOT COM says that if Odell continues to be ignored in the browns offense the receiver might start agitating for a trait and Baker. Meanwhile saying this and I think people have this picture. Perfect thing that he was going to be sunshine and rainbows he was going to have a whole lot of one's It's Odell Beckham. He's GonNa have double coverage where to find ways to format things to get him the ball and force feed him early on to where he can make an impact bow. Can you see own del asking out of Cleveland. Of course like what about this seems like a place that he would want to stay now. I don't know if it's going to be worth it for to make that move. He's playing with his homeboy Jarvis. Landry maybe all those things might want him to stay. Make him want to stay. But this is where Mayfield loses me there when he was like you guys are going to be sunshine and rainbows and a bunch of one. One Looks Beckham. None of us thought it was going to be a bunch of looks for Odell Beckham seems to be the issue. Though is that Baker Mayfield seems to think that he needs ideal conditions before he throws a pass. If Odell Beckham is double covered that does not mean that he is not in a position to catch the ball. You have to be willing to throw it to somebody. That is not standing all alone but there is an irony here because he did. I did have one on one coverage and it was potentially sunshine and rainbows at the end of that game which might have killed their playoff. Chances Baker Mayfield Hatem. Odell Beckham was missed. Odell Beckham ends up. uh-huh literally agitating on the sideline and reminds me that. He told sports illustrated Bo when he was traded from the giants. The Cleveland that he thought Dave Gettleman sent him to Cleveland. In to die reminds me J.. Feeley on the sideline during that game was saying that Odell was saying that she can't get the ball to save his life like the guy has three endzone own targets. Hasn't scored a touchdown to touch the thing about that. Play you talked about right there. We'll deal was open on the side may feel was going for the cross. Routes Jarvis Landry. 'cause they had picked place set up with that tells me is that he had made his decision before the ball was snapped and he was going to throw the ball because the design of the play was going to get that guy open. He's saying we got a force feed the ball to Odell Beckham early. Why are you only worried about this early? Like I don't want to hear from the quarterback about this stuff. We you yourself has agency over whether he gets the ball coming up next. Is the packers defense. Actually you know bad. Are you still wearing your buttoned-down talked in hoping for the best. Then stop it seriously. Seriously because traditional shirts weren't meant to be worn untucked and honestly it shows untuckit believes in helping guys look sharp and feel casual. That's why they're shirts followed the perfect length and designed for guys of all shapes and sizes taller. Short slimmer athletic build. UNTUCKIT has the perfect fit because everyone deserves a shirt. 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Sandy call to play for BLEDSOE FOR BLEDSOE. inbounded the ball. You Ain't taking the blame for BLEDSOE's mistake. I am an honest being an amazing teammate. I am out on the explanation nation. Also out on blaming bledsoe as ridiculous as that was Bo- like you know. Sometimes I will put remote control in the Fridge sometimes because I'm rain forwarding. Naive like many things. I'm doing so I just feel like rep is being a little bit tacky in that situation. That's not really breaking. A rule is simply not like I feel like he could have been like. Hey come back here. And it's all the editing it was like hey come back doherty and nobody would have been mad. He's not so much rigging as demonstrating a lack of understanding that the rule even exists next up. Ben Simmons Simmons left last night's game against the jazz with a sprained. AC joint in his right shoulder so you win on that being a big deal for the six. I mean it's not a small deal for the safest keeps them out still trying to figure out what the injury exactly is. It's GONNA take to recover from it but I mean events images what we say he is him being hurt. That would qualify as a big deal and it is a bigger deal. I think that it's his right arm. Um as opposed to the left because the left is shooting arm so to speak but he does not shoot. He uses the right arm for a lot of these layoffs. And floaters so as much as this is x ray currently negative situation waiting for more results. I am preemptively. BET right next up Dez Bryant cowboys former cowboys. Albouy receiver tweety yesterday. That in two weeks is going to reach out to teams and see what happens on days getting a shot this season. I am getting a shot because I have been wondering. Where does Brian? Brian has been as we welcome Antonio Brown and Josh Board and back into our lives over and over again the guy was a pro bowl receiver. Several years ago gets cut by the cowboys his terraces Achilles when he goes and joins the saints on the first day of practice I wonder if the saints might actually still need a guy like him behind. Michael Thomas saying is that people thought he was finished before for the Achilles Tendon the Achilles theory is GonNa make people think that suddenly he has been rejuvenated right. He's gotTa came in league with a measure of bags and I think that perception and things around him stick around we start talking about whether whether or not somebody's going to pick him up but to me. If somebody really thought he could help they would have to call them and say here. They'd have been doing that already. Up next the packers Green Bay is ranked thirty one in yards allowed per play since week. Four so you in on the idea that people were too quick to crown the packers defense events this season. I mean we're too quick to do everything early and see if we can get on. TV Do you have a whole bunch of. I don't know we just have to see right. Wait till I get through a large sampling about week seven. Then I can give you some answers but now now the defense as of now is not very good. This has been a problem. They've had very while the offense is going to have to carry the day Green Bay. That is something we probably could have thought coming in and that we think it again it seems like Aaron Rodgers may have been too quick to this after the first game of the year the packers the bears to three points and Aaron Rodgers and the post game press conference or interview on the field says we gotta defense which is literally true but the point being that they have pizza seemingly in that game every week since has been yes kind of messy. Easy defense is if you're gonNA peak against the bears probably where it's going to happen now called Anthony. North Carolina Fresher put thirty four eleven and five in his debut against Notre Tame. You went on Anthony being this good. I am lots of smart people. Say that he is in fact. It is good and this also fits my general vision for the future where we're just watching being the sons of former NBA players play. This is Greg Anthony's kid and yes he is the highest scoring. ACC Freshman debut ever. Yeah I gotta say this is a one band band kind of style though. Nothing wasn't moving the ball. But there's a style of play here that I don't recall seeing so often for Williams teams let alone from a freshman point guard but is is he that good. I mean it sure looks like it with that size and those moves. Yeah the problem with him. In High School was the shot he made six of eleven from three apparently in that game and finally Elise Syracuse. Jim Behind Squad was held at thirty four points at home by Virginia in their opener behind called having to face in the League conference team in the opener. Quote all stupid and quote a money. Grab so you win with him on that no jim every now and the teams going to have to pack its bags and play a game before January outside outside of the state of New York. Maybe sometimes it won't just be in the big ten. ACC challenge but this was syracuse. Has Been doing for forty years loading up their schedule early with cupcakes and then coming in later now Jim mad because these guys might taste a little defeat before it gets cold. Now I am in on this being a money grab this is the ACC networks debut. This is Z.. Corporate Initiative but unless in behind is given back the money I have trouble seeing him as like a guy speaking truth to power right. He's got an argument that maybe it's too early to play a conference game. I get that. But he's been so adverse to playing any game with challenges early in the season that I don't want to hear any sort of matter of principle. Don't buy coming up next Antonio Brown Ritz the NFL. You're going to be shocked on twitter. 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Notice that it moves like not at all it's inanimate and utterly without brain function but despite that when it got nomi his about how GEICO GEICO not only saves people money but also gives them access to licensed agents twenty four seven online and over the phone. It's clear to them. You should switch because yes. Switching to GEICO is a no brainer on second thought. Maybe don't watch garden. gnomes to carefully people might talk. uh-huh oh man you know what that jittery scared me. Same here Dan by a lot of weight which was trouble arts. This is remarkable. This is apparently the future of media by the way I just got on Tick Tock and this is the best content that could never hope to even sniff replicated good Lord. So what's the point of this. Tick Tock thing I feel like I'm too old for it and honestly you are too well Alaya four followers and growing so. Don't give up on me just yet bleak the NFL. I'll never play in that bleep. Treat black people worse. Clear my name. Go bleep yourself. tweeted Antonio Brown after Josina Anderson reported that Brown is scheduled to meet with the NFL. And I next Wednesday or Thursday as part of the League's investigation into allegations of sexual misconduct. That were brought against Brown by two women so Bomani how do you see this playing out. It just did right there. It just played out right. I mean I don't know maybe he's not GonNa go into this meeting. I have no idea I don't know if the NFL their their plan was to get them up there and they can wash their hands of it so they could welcome back into the league. I'm not sure which one it is. But that's the play out right there. It was the Antonio Brown New News Cycle in miniature because it took about ninety nine minutes between Joe. Zina's tweet and then vis stuff coming out on instagram and on twitter and it tells us again as talented ended as this guy is which makes everybody want to give them more chances the reason he got cut from the Patriots and the reason this thing is getting to a halt right now is because he can't stay off his phone. That's why and that's a key thing. It's the following. It's not even social media stuff. Because even if he wasn't doing this in front of people he'd be sending crazy easy stuff to people like he did the last I remember when he was there in New England they didn't get them for tweet actually managed to stay off the social media stuff in ways that matter while he was in New England. It was the text the messages that he was out here. Sending to people and I would just like to note this right but people have easy in this society. People typically do treat US worse than they treat everybody else but brought you. Don't don't leave us out of this. This is not about us right now. This is about you why. Oh you you you. He is the only guy I know who would put on a group shot his lawyer. The person is trying to intimidate and then all of the web developer people because that was the story with the Patriots. But what's sad about this to ball is that he's clearly early still amazing it football. He clearly loves football or so we think as much as anything unless his phone is involved all right quote statement statement made by GM Alex Topless call into question. The integrity of the entire free agent system said Tony Clark in a statement after Atlanta Braves as general manager Alex Anthopoulos. We've had time to connect with twenty seven of the clubs. We had a chance to get a sense of what the other clubs are going to look to do in free agency. Pablo's is an overreaction overreaction by Clark this is his job and maybe Alexandropolis isn't giving you the giants smoking gun that you need to prove collusion with the context of what's been happening in baseball explains why Clark is being adversarial here. This is the third straight winner. We're seeing a tremendous chilling effect on the marketplace and the fear is that even even though MLB teams have more money than ever because they have that money. They're actually less willing to spend because they don't need to be that good to get the money. What reason is there to call all the other twenty-seven teams in the League about their free agent plans other than to collude in theory? These are people you should be in competition with four this talent. So what other reason is there for the. Hey guys what are you up to unless to set up a situation like we've seen in the last couple of seasons short seems like everybody's getting offer at the same contract or the big ticket guys is a waiting until February before they wind up getting signed thing. Though for Tony Clark. Is this used to be a fighting union. They used to win every single. Fight the ninety four strike really. We made the players association gunshot because the PR against him was so banned. The idea that they were greedy had gotten to be so bad. The problem they got they got a membership that so often against their own own aims because they're so concerned paid a lot of money to play a game. You need to get as much money out here as you possibly can. So when is the old fight and spirit of the Major League Baseball Players Association Asia. Go to come back for them to do something about this. And there are cases in the past in the nineteen eighties of flagrant colluding. We have the example of a quote information bank in which teams actually shared information about offers. That were being distributed around free agency period so is Anthopoulos guilty of this right now. Not As sloppily. But if you're Tony Clark Man Your job is to at least we say you call two thousand seventeen information back to question to because Washington quarterback Wayne Haskins is set to make his second career. Start this weekend against the jets or so we think one. Oh six six point seven. The Fan reports that Haskins told by Senior Vice President of player personnel. Doug Williams that he isn't the starting quarterback but that head coach Bill. Callahan will not confirm it. So what does all of that sound like to. You sounds like Dan Snyder back. And when I say Snyder back he has been hands off with football stuff for the the last few years. At least you'll have people tell you that. But this is the guy that went to high school with his son. And if there is a future for this franchise this dude is probably going to be hearing the caskets got at this word. Not from the coaches but from the front office makes it sound like Oh man is giving me even crazier. Yeah the worst thing in all of this is that there does not not seem to be a cohesive plan. Like if Dan Snyder is doing this and I buy the theory that he wants to have haskins on the field for personal reasons and because he feels like. It's time like that just tells me. Oh you guys were never coordinated on any of this and we knew that when Jay Gruden was talking about how much he didn't really want the Wayne Haskins but to see this now maybe the the only upside though I can imagine is that the jets might be a soft landing spot for a rookie. That's the only to be fair on the coordination thing if if I was the owner and that team was in the situation that it was in I would think I needed to call you. And tell you that it's time to put the rookie quarterback I'm not. I've never been sold. That the idea of throwing when a guy out there is necessarily going to make him better but everybody else does believe that as if you do believe that and this team really has no hope to prepare for anything else I as the owner order would be like. Hey so why are we still playing this case. Keenum Guy Right right right and the game against the jets is next week in this once. There is there is hopefully some time for this sort. It become more sensible. But if case keenum and Colt McCoy or the rest of your depth chart I do feel like. It's time for Dwayne to get used to losing again. The number or is four years trevor. Booker play with wizards when he entered the League and twenty two and now booker had some stories about his time in Washington on the hoops hype podcast without his Kennedy us. Less with our come into the locker room the day of the game and why she no one player cut up a suit of another player. Glenn going I took a took in another guy shoe gonNA run hold each other's role. Men beat a player time up to teammates fighting each other the outside the locker room locker room but outside of a nightclub and then when my other teammates he tried to jump in and break it up. He in the cops drive them home and he was crying away. It was on my goodness. There's so many stories from the year. Wow so glad. I got out alive at that escalated quickly. That went from the story about the Poop in the shoe which I was ready to laugh at until I began to wonder like

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How About Them Cowboys?

High Noon

22:28 min | 10 months ago

How About Them Cowboys?

"Very champion demonstrate expertise that his baby a world famous right they just be talking is Tall Bay got hundred seventy two boys this really encourage right all right we'll see good job guys outfielder fantasy points five note roller highly questionable coming up then stop talking about your fantasy team cowboys undefeated against sorry team's winless against decent ones Pablo at three in to see the cowboys is the top team in the NFC. I don't I mean they are hypothetically that because they have press conference today his first full press conference in front of journalists since I believe January of two thousand fifteen and that tells you a lot about what actually might be atoms missing from the packers that this is a game where Dallas is talent should rise to the top it did not and now we're stuck wondering if the Baker Mayfield Critique on the table for a team without Jay Gruden it figures to be a lot of the symptoms overlaying the same old disease and disease is Dan Snyder the owner of the team it's thirty three to seven owner Dan Snyder GM Bruce Allin have picked Assistant Bill Callahan to take over there now oh and five team and handle rookie quarterback Wayne Haskins apples at all Jay gruden though is where we start today show because the head coach of the Washington slumped busters got fired five am today after he lost the paper two wins and they have two wins against teams that have zero so what are we really talking about here we said last Friday Bo going into this game the given the injuries given ear but this is just a matter of something running its course sometimes that's in the middle of the season seems telling that Bruce Allen is still the general manager of this team Bruce Allen we have he doesn't do very well against good teams also is applying to Dak Prescott. Well I mean that's come up right like what they say is now we finally asked questions about Dak Prescott part of this by the way does that bother you because like a lot because you gotta do it before anybody else shows up and people show up to these offices like maniacs crazy early doubt if jade in the interim so with Gruden gone what do you think change is now the head coach bright like what else do we expect it to change now it does sound like this is right but I'll be there at five just to meet you you know what time it is show up whatever you want or what time is it now for Wayne Haskins man because is that a guy we've got to get a C. because they don't see a winning record in about ten other teams around that in terms of winning percentage in the NFC right now but they have a win against one team that has grooten I don't have to show if they ask you to show up at work before work actually starts in a person who can show up at work anytime they damn well please are they a top team in the NFC who are we calling top teams in the NFC right that's the thing about that conference in some total the rams are a team that we would have come in and talk about it Nj Gruden this guy happens to be the longest tenured coach he has had he's had six full time head coaches none of them have winning records he's the only one to get an extension so uh-huh planes still oh but I mean I don't know why people care that much about whether they see them or not what good does he get from playing for this team next cowboys reached a point where Jay Gruden had to go on and do something else right he knew he was done everybody else knew that he was done sound like he got a little lackadaisical around and he'd been a little lackadaisical to begin with the bid woman Sunday pags thirty one two three and a third quarter AJ world which is more reflective of the game then thirty four twenty four final score in just that fast we're reminded as we saw from the offense that we had not seen before wasn't just about the results it was about the way the results have been achieved the offense is not look good sense and looked awful in the course of that game but good luck to whoever wants that job now is actually funny Edward or put it on the twitter's that three guys whose names are GonNa come for this job or going to be Mike Tomlin able to start making declarative statements except that we are running this experiment on how good the cowboys are and they're not giving us any data points to work with Kellen Moore the guy you mentioned the offense what changes after this they're not going to go to the playoffs like I don't think they're going to rattle off some five game winning streak greedy thing and turn this do a whole new year no they just begin to make the transition into whatever next versus that could pop up where the situation looks impossible no idiot those guys owner Jerry Vietnamese no you wait long enough my brother you can wait one more year does the five am for India's defense showed up and last night's nineteen to thirteen win so Bomani did this game feel like a fluke or maybe something bigger I mean there's a degree of eight top team there now coming in and three and two we got questions about them how do we feel about Seattle are we saying world is given what they've done without drew brees and the fact that the deepest looks legit to themselves and tied atop the AFC south after dealing the chiefs their very first loss of the season Kansas City had scored at least twenty six points twenty five straight games with Padma homes is that the top team in the NFC thought bears go over there and lose that game in London to the raiders. So I don't think the cowboys are atop team in the NFC but also don't know the top team in the NFC yeah it's weird to look like the NFC north and think to yourself oh all of these teams have winning records which tells me that yes we are real early in the schedule talk bowls Airbnb tell you all about Brian Florez got their job and Miami don't do it reconsider man it's amazing the dedication out before other teams did we should play man-to-man against the Kansas City chiefs and Padma homes and the colts which had been playing I believe seventy percents zone prior to this right now because it was gone for the first three except the first three weeks they were playing against terrible teams now the thing that seemed to change in the first three weeks was less about who they were playing against hey what's wrong with you guys well I think part of the reason that explains what was wrong with them is the fact that they played the Lions last week Matt Patricia has been doing this thing where he looks at the League top offenses and seems to have answers that other people have been slow to get to so we did this against the rams and Jared Goff we've talked about that at length Patricia has but now last week he was the guy who figured tomorrow five games into the season that is where I a disease what this office turns into is going to be ultimately way more important than what it is right now like I said had a great receiver out there outside of Kelsey at this point what Tyreek hill comes back maybe we're talking about something different right because that's a guy that is legitimately fearsome the fearsome guys cowboys head coach I don't know that right now I don't even know what the cowboys are a top team in the NFC let us turn now to the Indianapolis Colts the war now three in this right Sammy Watkins goes out on the first job homes is hobbling around on a bum ankle for much of the game that coast defense which was decimated by injury everybody came up and hit the game of their lives has a hand gesture that is involving slightly fewer fingers than the one to Shawn Watson currently at showing us that was like thirty words to say he's probably flipping him the bird great you're not sticking around the bar is just getting started happy Geigo we call today and see how he a homeowners and renters insurance can be coming to you from the seaport district appears seventeen brought to chase with the colts have demonstrated themselves so far look man they are a little Adam Viteri whack needs to start the season away for being undefeated at this point we thought they a lot of us thought at this point again people that you struggle to readily identify so it is interesting to hear that the decisions made hey if you go man to man these guys you can do something because that would make sense they don't schematically there were obvious differences between war was doing what Lynn Hand Garrod had been doing before now am I out on him does not know what he's doing is he now no longer the heir apparent to be Indianapolis is a team there were some things go right for them and if the chiefs are playing well they're good enough to beat a team of that caliber but I don't think I'm looking at this from the cheese and just being like that we should have folded up shop because Andrew was not going to be there now they looked to be as good as any team that's in that conference so is this a flip I don't think it's a fluke in the sense that I and by one of its employees truly disturbing but we need to stop expecting moral leadership from four profit businesses like the MBA because is encourage where does the legal from here so off the top it is deeply disturbing that China is pressuring American business to silence criticism spoken they have right now is the quarterback is not who's going to get into the ball to yeah and so I wonder though whether the Kansas City chiefs as Super Bowl contender whether that's all endow right a business that's exactly where they're going to go so I understand where people are coming from on the argument of piracy and I agree in China I'm pretty sure our new house might be haunted what things you say that the furniture is levitating on the ghost welcome home the reason it feels hypocritical with the NBA is doing now versus how it supported its players and listen to its players and spoken out in some ways that are surprising given how the NFL has behaved to get in on where it comes to okay we're the woke league but what it's doing now is trying to salvage its most important and lucrative global partnership and as a four I do think you're going so far on everything I am wondering I think it's worthy to wonder not to declare what to think going on next the NBA Daryl Morey view of course the idea that you should not expect so much like moral leadership from a corporation at the same time I'm looking at Darrow Maury and I'm like dog what are not stop and say to himself I don't know if there's any actual benefit from me doing this this was a massive massive strategic mistake if there was any strategy involved because you're right the Houston rockets are because of Yao Ming the dallas cowboys of China Aaron Brooks Luis Scola Shane government but it also appears to be coming from the citizenry that he touched into an issue that was a much bigger deal than he realized that it was and I can't understand how he has did the NBA and soda. James Harden Republic drive we love we love no planner verity were protests in the Chinese territories will result it was a legitimate international incident Chinese government immediately denounced tweet Chinese Basketball Association this is so individually and as an organization so you know we love you do Buddy Pablo mini of accused the censoring more for the sort of salsa statements that other which was decimated by injuries as you said they did that too and they dealt pat mahomes worst game of his behind who they check it isn't thing I talked about last week about this with the chiefs who are the guys that are out there with Mahomes so once you go down walk ins with a hamstring pull you're talking about Travis Kelsey and a bunch of the news that you cannot readily identify who are they handing the viral off too Battye as those guys Chuck Hayes those guys had sneaker deals in China because of Y'all Daryl has done I think it's accidental because why would you want is willing to risk his career behind making that statement there amaury wasn't were trying to risk his career behind making the statement he descends something out on twitter and then all of a sudden looked up should why would you plan it like this right what he's done is created Adam Silver's number one nightmare because what was the legacy of David Stern that he inherited this is the global of genius now at the controls of this offense are we out on him now like is this your you don't have to jump so on these days bay making money so much nobody questions if you want to do business in China because it's so obvious why you would there's so much money to be made but they made that call from jump this is it was like whoa man we have gigantic problem now where the league I think is in a trick bag here where I think it's too easy for everybody to get on their high horse about this is eight man there is a big difference there what they've done to this point before the China stuff is figuring out okay wait a minute there are some savvy business opportunities for us world okay that's just not how this works thing that Maury said something that would be actually very reasonable to say here no be shocking if he was broadly sensitive for that that's not how it goes over there on that's happened here has been terribly surprising so if you think that this is the show of hypocrisy you're not paying close attention to what's going on but because we revere capitalism so much we revere the idea mm-hmm yeah that's that's what's really scaring missing Geico for help with homeowners and renters insurance gyco makes it easy to see a bunch to make sure that Daryl Morey gets out of the news cycle and I feel like one way to do that is to not get him out of that job right because that would just they make a lot of money over there this particular team is a big deal in that market spoke and said we're not with this you could save is coming from the each changed from what the previous existing condition was a controversy as it is now should have predated the current news cycle we're dealing with but now I feel like Adam silver's main job is to make this quiet they show us the most important of so we appreciate as a fan base and we love everything and we appreciate the support that they give us place like this is different over there than we do over here right we have an expectation to be able to say stuff over here that isn't really like enforceable around Razzie is doing his treatment in Houston say what I hang out with John Watson after the game take a picture ever put on the Internet they have the same agent who's in the middle not pictured is Tom Coughlin who I imagine very joyous Jon Gruden Post game in the locker room let's watch let's all start dancing all right it's GonNa be salty in a second you'll see this play here Mario Cooper was Amari Cooper you doing and what were you thinking because the reason I say that is what Colin Kaepernick did the thing that he did with the first time he didn't stand for the national anthem he said explicitly the as matters so for him not knowing what it was that he was stepping into then puts the league in this different place but hey they decided they were gonna go over there and do business in China in the first place it's not like Eh problem we've got to talk about this Daryl Morey story and it is a doozy Ragas GM synomym Saturday night saying stand with Hall call presumably a statement aside inbound Jason Garrett medically now was that call this she got flag to it is that man earn your respect I want to see more of and hear more from I don't know if his team is good like who gets the tip of the CAP in this game Josh Jacobs absolutely they'd realized we can run him more in this offense than they did it Alabama that's Great Trent Brown who's the guy matched up against Khalil mack who had like basically no impact on this game crazy enough the things they are better through this point than I thought that they would be but I don't know if they're good yeah Jon Gruden remains a super charismatic figure in the locker room he's a guy she gets a tip of the cap but beyond that I mean the raiders are good right now but they fall into that category of teams where it's like they could also wind up being like five and eleven yeah but to be it because the raiders are three into following two straight wins including twenty four twenty one victory over Khalil Mack and the bears yesterday which led to fare after the Antonio Brown which you have guessed the five games into the season they'd be above five hundred exactly what you get for exceeding my expectations but I had game that's what makes it different from the NFL and now because China likes to litigate this stuff as they litigated with Mercedes and Gucci and bring down the line the VA finds itself similarly caving in a way that's totally predictive yeah but the thing is if you're going to argue that the cave they K- by going over there in the first in an air it landed harder flag violence what three into they do that that seemed like a horrible I'm a horrible idea from the bears but no I have to give John Grooten this because this was the Khalil Mag revenge game you didn't hear much of a Khalil Mack in that game if you're looking for an affirmative reason to feel good about having hired Adam Gates this is not the season to get one of at least not yet right and he didn't give a lot of cause for optimism before the last seven games all losses including thirty one to six jets loss to the Eagles yes today Pablo how much on Adam Gates my brain and I told you talk about the jets the case does play into it what is there to feel confident about when your coach is actually hiding the way he looks because he's afraid of what it indicates about himself edge like what's he supposed to do here his third string quarterback is Luke faulk that's the guy that he has sam darnold being alive seems like the greatest win but at the same because what is he supposed to do right like war we hoping for that Luke Falk would look at this point if he's crypto tanking it's a success I am not mistaken wanted to picks they got in that trade turned out to be Josh Jacobs Josh Jacobs they have absolutely got right like they've got a really good running back there with him so good for them they have done oh no I mean I do this game I look at Nagin who knows this actually be the cause of it but you really flew out Thursday night to get there Friday morning to play a game on Sunday like did you really lagged maybe this isn't necessarily a guy that you want to hire the just decided that they would and where I feel bad for Adam gaze at this point is I wonder if he has suffered for me Jay Cutler suffer from for a long time he was playing and the biggest problem that he had in talking to people about stuff was that look on his face always had that look on his face always made it seem like he didn't care the NBA is not the one making decisions here already coming up next Jon Gruden and the raiders a roll now day to sell from the rockets Robinson Tim if not immediately divorced the team from his comments but later said he planned to keep more yeah as general manager Maury also apologized wheels came off and they have had a serious injury situation to where I don't know how exactly to evaluate them that

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Hour 1: Feeling Blue?

First Take

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

Hour 1: Feeling Blue?

"Dude, your nose is bleeding. Yeah. I think it might still be believing. What happened? I thought I had good seats at a game that was stuck in the four hundred that was three days ago. They were super high up. I felt like I was somebody Everest look next time just go to vivid seats, tickets are one hundred percent Bendik, and you can even see where your seat is before you buy it can't believe I'm going to say, this your genius. Well, you welcome. I kind of am we're on the earn ten minutes. Maybe we should get that Kleenex out of your nose. Welcome into the west club Nissan stadium in Nashville. The first round of the NFL draft is in the books. It's gonna be fun. When stephen. Will can you know, listen, I know, I know your love to hear me talking. I appreciate that. But on this particular morning, I got to defer. My brother max Kelham. It's a very very very somber mourning him my still doing just fine. But this brother right here. Mass kellerman. The floor is yours in my bra. Hold on soak it up for more one more second because let me get you up to speed on what just happened. What happened was as expected collar Murray went number one overall? But that's not what we want. We want to start with what the New York Giants did or rather what they did not do the New York Giants chose to pass on Ohio State quarterback Wayne Haskins. And instead pick do quarterback Daniel Jones with the number six overall pick. Now the moment that I've been waiting personally for about twenty four hours or same here. Same here. You're not alone in this will I mean, if the desk wasn't hard kicked feta max. Bro. What was going through your mind last night? What was going through my mind last night? I'm going to start calmly and try to stay there as much as possible, which is at number six there were an embarrassment of riches in the draft. So as a giants fan who not only wanted a quarterback, but who believes Haskins actually the best player in that draft Haskins with fifty touchdowns to eight interceptions and seventy percent completion percentage. Even though we constantly threw the ball down the field Haskins who got better and better as the year went on who's teammates love him. Who's an obvious natural born leader who has the confidence bordering on arrogance of a guy who believes he will be great that guy Haskins who. Who grew up in jersey rooting for the giants like who's going to be to the giants. What what Derek jeeter was to the Yankees with a sixth overall pick to by the way, they're not gonna take him because they're too many other great players there. And maybe they're not as high on him as as others narrow some other quarterbacks later on this draft. But obviously, you don't take Daniel Jones at six there is a word for the Daniel Jones of the world, by the way. Even if he turns out to be a great quarterback. You know, what it is? It's a phrase day to guy. You don't have to spend a first round pick on Daniel Jones has to Washington. Did you notice any other team take a quarterback? No, you got him in the second round. He's classic day to guy do quarterback who for his career fifty two touchdowns twenty nine interceptions. Asking had fifty and eight in one year. Sixty percent completion percentage, which by my calculations. I didn't major math. But that's ten percent lower. Right. That's not seventy percent. That's that's sixty percent that guy because he works with cliff who worked with the manning brothers. You spent a six overall pick do this thought experiment. Let's say as soon as he picked sixth overall Daniels. He tried to trade them for a late first round pick wouldn't have gotten it. Could he trade Daniel Jones right now for a second round pick? I don't know. But he spent the pick in the draft. Let me tell you something. If that's the case Dana Jones, gotta go to the hall of fame. Now when gentleman sits up there and says when Gettleman sits up there and says he's a professional quarterback, really Sherlock. You think you took a professional quarterback with a six overall pick. He better be a professional quarterback. He better be great professional quarterback. Not a good one. A great one because Haskins is in the division now. And you could see when he got picked. He was dying to be a giant. He wasn't even happy. You're going to Washington because he grew up for that team and said the league done messed up for the next fifteen years. The giants have to pay forget mistake twice a year every year when they play Washington and every single time. Daniel Jones starts boy. He better be a hall of Famer one day. I'll start there. That's a start. That's a star. T- player. Are you? Sure you finish. I mean, I don't have. I have no problem to furry to you. Listen to us. I I I finished the star head. All right. Well, I'll just throw my little nuggets. Material did liberty. You know? I mean, Wayne houses allow state house state perennial national championship contender. How state big? Big. And we know what he did would fifty touchdowns. Okay. Forty eight hundred yards passing. Dan, you Joan. Dan, you festival that name is corny. How about that? How come on? About. Quarterback. Right. That's all. Secondly, I'm looking at the schedule right here. Because that's what I do. You know, me I'm very big on resume who did you do what it gets hell I'll look like an all world box on boxing in the mirror. Put me in the body. All world fight is a different problem. So I'm looking at he threw for three hundred and ninety six yards against Pittsburgh. He threw for three hundred sixty one North Carolina basketball football. We talk about what he threw four hundred twenty three yards and last collegiate game against temple. Okay. Dan, you draft it now I could sit up the really really rub it in by getting very very serious and pointing out that the only starting quarterback in the history of the giants organization was Gino Smith, which is played one game African American African American quarterback only black quarterback that has ever started in the history of the new year. I wonder what the version is with the New York. This gorgeous, mosaic that is New York City. And what have you for some reason, you got an version of having a quarterback like this? I could go to but I don't need to. Instead what I will tell you this. And that's the part you have brought up the Manning's. This guy has a relationship with the Manning's. This guy's coach at Duke, David cliff, all right trained and work with e lie and pay him and they have such a beautiful beautiful relationship because they have that relationship. Obviously you deferred because get them in acknowledge that he did talk. Two. About. So let me get distract Manning's thirty years who has clearly slipped. He law who's made it very very clear has no intention of retiring. This is the last year concert in New York, which means it would not him. To really really want a successor in place. Okay. This do and you went with that. You ain't a fool you a new phone? Okay. Has it resulted at the New York Giants with Daniel Jones as the future they will be going up against Wade Haskins. Carson Wentz this is my aunt Dak Prescott in vision. Wow. Everyone. Wow. Like that one. Max, I'm gonna give you one more shot at this. And we're gonna be doing Daniel Jones all throughout this show. The New York Giants all throughout this show on the letting rest here, but Stephen brought up the competition. You know, what Daniel Jones record was when playing at the top level when playing in the ACC he was seven wins. Seventeen losses. Fifty seven percent completion. Dwayne haskins. One everyone to realize came in third in the Heisman this year. One year's starter. His team was thirteen and one so forget about the fifty touchdowns to eight interceptions and almost five thousand yards and seventy percent completion throwing down the field. They were they were one road loss to Purdue. And they always Ohio State has a hard time with Purdue on the road for whatever reason one road loss to Purdue away from an undefeated season in the big ten and they. The took the annual Joel's with a six over. Here's the thing about Gettleman. Here's the thing about him. He's forgotten more football than I'll ever know. He's he's a scout. He's really good Scott. He's been leaked longtime. I trust that he can look at a guy and see things that I can't see but GM is not about scouting. It's about allocating resources properly being smart with it. You said a new fool a brand new fool. You don't use the six pick out a guy. No one else is gonna draft in the first round. Even if you are right. But all the evidence looked if debt is saying that I see things and Daniel Jones max, Stephen that. You don't see get you're saying, you'll see things in Daniel jobs that no one else sees all I see. You're the best scout in the world. No, no, none of these other scout for any of these other teams know what they're looking at only Gettleman does. 'cause no one else had him ranked pike that Todd mcshay head, Dan, you Jones ranked as the fifty ninth best player in the draft. Fifty. Nine and they took him sixth overall, and they passed up on Haskins they passed up on Ed Oliver they passed up on Jonathan Allen. If you were not going to go the route of Haskins, the wide range belief was you were going to go with an elite edge Russia or they even brought up drew lock who didn't end up getting picked in the first round Daniel Jones. All right. All right. All right. That's my quarter annual Jones scripture from the bible for crying out loud. 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So we were having fun here sounded like focusing a little bit on the New York Giants focus in a little bit on Daniel Jones human. He is. He is feeling it. But how would you feel house apprised were you that the New York Giants went Daniel Jones at number six. I wouldn't say surprised as much as disappointed for giants fans. I mean, if you watch the tape this guy, listen I've sat in a room with him with David cliff, and he's explained how much he loves him. How smart he is? And he's a good guy that teammates love him. He's competitive. He is runner. He can't run. But I see a backup quarterback in the NFL. And when you look at him, he's slow to process at times inconsistent decision maker. He is if we did statistics on all these quarterbacks second to last of all the quarterbacks talking about fifteen draftable quarterbacks here second to last in terms of under pressure, which is the most important thing to evaluate with quarterbacks from college the NFL he was third Askins. He was first first or second and first second or third every single one of these first second, every cat got it. He was last in deep ball. Accuracy third last in inside the pocket second to last in the deep out throw. I mean, I just I don't see what they see. So let's say let's philosophically. I get it. If you think he's going to be that kind of quarterback. Yeah. Sure. You take MC six, but you also then have to manage the draft. That's the thing that Oakland has never done well with Jon Gruden and Jon Gruden has never done well in his career. And that's why I thought they brought in Mike as GM to be the rudder to understand. All right. I know John you love Cleland for that's great. But we can get him at seventeen eighteen. Let's try to move back or let's get a player of more value for the giants to pass up on Ed Oliver defensive tackle to pass up on Devon Bush who's going to be a star linebacker for your Steelers to pass pass up on TJ Hopkinson the tight end. I mean, the list goes on and on a players that they could have had Josh Allen. The edge. Russia from Kentucky is it possible. Todd. That Gettleman you here is thick Boston. Accent is actually trying to win New York. Is he there to to undermine my favorite because I'm joking around everything. But look I do this for a living. We do this for a living. You guys are sports fans. You have real life problems and stuff. But when your favorite team is gonna stink three years that makes your life a certain percentage worse, right? Like, I'm not playing around like my life is at least like five percent worse today than it was yesterday. It's weird. How minds all of a sudden five percent better it. Yeah. That's that's that's interesting. The way that we're cowboy fans it's always five percent better. Because y'all always disillusioned particularly at the beginning of the season. So it means nothing to me. But go ahead. Interrupt todd. Go ahead made my point first second or third in every category has Ken's. Yes, what could you and Haskins? And haskins. Andrew who still let me ask the question here for max because see we're all here for max today. Okay. So any question that I asked probably going to therapy to help therapy such every Dr Smith Zain house his. The giants have the worst draft last night of anybody. Is that fair to say, oh was this someone that was actually worse than than pass up on Haskins for dinner because at the end of the day the most important position in sports is quarterback. And if you if you screw that up, then you're going to struggle for years to figure it out. Now, they've got they think he could play at a high level. That maybe tells you what the problem is. If if you have a GM and a team who thinks he li- manning is play at a high level. Now, they should not be entrusted with drafting. Fell in love with the Manning's. I was going because devoid of all the motion for second here with max, here's the reality. I think the crime in all of this is that it's seems like they made a pick the Manning's will comfortable with. Yes. And that had no place in this decision. Am I right in saying he looks like a manning mechanics are dental Mannix by a pig difference? But they both kind of looked the same in terms of their mechanics. End result is always the same. But they look the same mechanically. He looks like alive physically the tall lanky guy. Everything about it is perfect, and he can be kind of controlled and managed this up the moment ago there were two moments in the draft last night. We're jaws dropped where people were like, I can't believe they just made that pick at that moment. One. Obviously Daniel Jones to the network giants. But the other was right before that that was the Oakland Raiders taken Cleveland Farrell at number four where did you have him? Rated. I had him rated in the twenties the low twenty s I think he's a good player. But I don't think he's four you have Josh Allen still there at Oliver. I mentioned you've got so many other players that they could have had to in their defense. They tried to move back and couldn't get a deal, and that's all fine. But I'm going back to Jones forget it. All right. We can do this. This burger Tom Brady drew Brees. Every single one of the top quarterbacks. You can. They all have one trait that similar their assassins. I mean, they will take you out and they won't twice about it. Daniel Jones, a really good guy you'd love to sit in a room with them talk to smart guy picks things up quickly. I don't think he has that. I think he's missing that. And I think that outside of the physical stuff that to me is the thing that scares me. I just don't see it doesn't have the pedigree in a big time conference in big games. He doesn't have the numbers. He doesn't have. We. He doesn't he doesn't have the killers mentality and you have slate he was zero star recruit, basically and those high school, but highs. Overall, you haven't fifty nine overall and you project them as a backup starter in the NFL backup develop an average star. Oh, that's just great. All right, Todd. By the way for me. I deserve a grad you'd have to steal as moving up. Ten slots and getting Devon Bush at number ten just got your leader of the defense for a decade. We're we're all good all Dallas Cowboys. The NFC east fans of the NFL. We appreciate you this morning Todd. How does Haskins projectors NFL player? Good starter. It good starter. Okay. Got all right. Used to back starting quarterback. Right. Yes. Yeah. An auto policy from state farm gets you collision coverage and radio ads. From state farm gets you coverage of this beloved nineties hits. Who to call? For more coverage, isn't state farm dot com. Welcome back to the west club at Nissan stadium. Here in Nashville, Tennessee one day after a district attorney in Kansas declined to file charges against chiefs receiver tyreek hill and his fiancee. A child abuse investigation hill is discussing striking his three year old son in an audio recording of tained by Kansas City, television station, KC TV in the wake of the tape. Surfacing? Chiefs have announced after the first round of the draft that they have barred hill from all team activities. Listen to this. Why didn't say that? He did it fly. Done a lot of things. Lying about what happens is terrified of you. And you say that he respects you. But it's not it's not respect its terrify. He is terra. Terrified of literally kept saying daddy punches which you do when he starts crying, wouldn't you? Do you make them open his arms, and you and then if he gets in trouble, you get the belt out. That's a portion of an eleven minute. Recording believed to be recorded by Tyree kills fiance. Stephen, how do you think the NFL should respond to this? I think they're already responding. I think the Kansas City. Chiefs already responding you have to suspend him in that you have to keep them field indefinitely. We don't all the details. But here's the reality of the situation. I'm a dad your dad. If someone said to me. You're taking my three yield child's on tell them to put his own out. And you're punching him in the chest. I'm say that's a damn law. What is that? There is absolutely no to that whatsoever. I didn't hear that on that tape. I didn't hear anything that would came close to denials. And that's the problem that affect he said, you should be scared of me too. And then call to the b word, and so it's not a good. Look, it's reprehensible and then for me personally it resonates from this perspective. This is a guy that went to school at west Alabama. He's twenty five years old. He busted his tail to get to this point. And the things that these dudes due to blow opportunities that they work their entire life for shows. How senseless they are. And I wanna make sure that I'm very. Clear about this. Because if you've heard me match you've heard me, well, I'm one of those people who believes that the narrative against black fathers. I find it highly offensive. How black fall does get stigmatized in this nation? Most black men that I know who father's offer nominal fathers to the children they provide they protect they put their lives on the line. They scratched claw. They do everything they can to uplift themselves and their family in this rat race of a world that we're living in with clearly we're behind the eight ball coming from a disenfranchised community. I resent the fact that people out there believe these things about black fathers. But then I see examples like this. And it bothers me even more that does individuals knowing that stigma exist out there about people from our community who go out there and engage in this kind of nonsensical represent reprehensible behavior. What possible justification can you have for hitting a three? Child punching on punching him in the chest. And again, I don't know if he did it or not the DA says I didn't have enough to prosecute. But it's clear to us that a crime was committed, but you hear the tape, and he seems more preoccupied with check in making sure to deny the accusations that she is putting out there on Tate about him. So because of that reality, but don't need to be practicing with this team and Obama away. My last point Tariq hill is a bad brother two hundred and fifteen receiving yards against England that game in November when they lost fifty four to fifty one. I'm sorry. Not against the Rams, right? Even really at one percents forty two years. This brother is something special Kareem hunt got himself in trouble believe it costumes Super Bowl and tyreek hill getting himself in this particular situation right now, I don't know if he's going to be back. It depends on what they find. And if he's not allowed to come back is go cost Kansas. City again and sad because it football that cost the Kansas City. Chiefs are legitimate shot at the title. It's Representative reprehensible inexcusable behavior on the part of two young black men who busted tail to get here and blows it when nonsense like this. The reason I liked that point in particular is because even if you say the way I came up or the way I see the world. I don't agree with the kind of. Changing perceptions of how to raise children, there's a growing consensus. I think if it has already arrived, you don't hit kids. It doesn't teach them the right thing. You certainly for three year old don't leave a Mark on their arm where they have to explain what they got it from telling the put their hands down and punch him in the chest. Be clear max, it was a broken arm. Right. Right. Exactly. I didn't even know that. I didn't even know to always bro throw kid with a broken. Right. So so that should be obvious by now. But even if you are so immature that you don't understand that. Then your point Stephen that there are consequences to that behavior. Even if you're a knucklehead, and you think that's okay. It's not okay. Everyone else's telling you, it's not okay. And there will be dire consequences you break three year olds arm. And if if that's if the rest of it's true, even if only that part is true, obviously, he can't play football for a while. But the reason that the NFL's somewhat measured response, I believe is appropriate is because I didn't hear him admit to anything on that tape it sounded like she was trying to get him to admit to something. And he didn't to your point. He also didn't deny and you would think under normal circumstances. Someone like are you crazy you'd think I broke my kid's arm. Exactly. That should be your immediate response is what I'm saying. However, they're there will now be legal. There is a process to this. And because he didn't admit it on the tape. There's the NFL is okay to say address or now any on the field any human being Alah. Someone accuses you of breaking your three year old child on the Gushin stops. Right. Why? You don't know. But for whatever, for example, not many conversations they've had like that where in the past. He said, no, I didn't. And this time he didn't know what I mean. Let me address all of these things really quickly here. There's three different hats. I believe to where in this discussion. One is as you pointed out that of a father, a rather even that just as a human being, this is absolutely as you said were were Heffer hints. And as you said as well tyreek hill with his path is not earned the benefit of the doubt. There have been incidences including involving this exact child in the past as an attorney. I can tell you this max, you bring up a point which I believe will play out in the legal process, and probably already has there's nothing directly that is an admission that could be used against tyreek hill in a legal case. But then there's the third hat, and that's the NFL and the NFL doesn't have to abide by the same rules that the Justice system does the NFL plays a game where Roger Goodell's decision is final. And I believe this decision will be harsh. Listen, not to bring it up because he hasn't done anything since he was involved in the incident with his kid. But when Adrian Peterson got in trouble. Because of the corporal punishment issue. You have to remember he was widely considered to be the best running back in football and the Minnesota Vikings had to get him outta there. Why because corporate sponsors advertisers, wanted nothing to do with their brand because it was gonna compromise their bottom line because of the heat that was brought upon him. What I'm saying is at the end of the day. You're going to have a whole bunch of people because there's nothing more innocent than right higher. Here's the issue. You can't have that issue is child abuse. And the reason it's so serious. And you're right will the league doesn't have to hold itself to a legal standard is that children cannot defend themselves. So they have parents who are not only supposed to defend them to teach them. And the fact that them, and the fact, and even if you are a parent who who subscribes to some kind of physical consequences for the kid the rest of the world is here to tell you that you're wrong. You're simply wrong. All right. We'll leave it here. We'll wait to see what the NFL's decision is on this. That's third travel of the night. Normally, I get on his case with being a complete numb. But tonight, I'm chilling. Stephen what's gotten into you. I know usually I'd be off ramp right now. But I gotta tell you this vivid seats thing got me completely changed a one hundred percent authentic. And I got these great seats yesterday on vivid seats at stress frigging weight. Doing put mayo hotdog what you. What's matter? The old Stephen we know. And we are honored to have some of the country's finest in our audience here today sitting of. Steak. Welcome the United States Marine. All service. Russell Westbrook had another disappointing postseason as thunder were again eliminated. In the first round Westbrook. Has yet to advance to the second round of the playoffs since the departure of Kevin Durant yesterday. He had a lot to say to his critics where he took on some of the things people have been saying, including people at this table about Russell Westbrook in the wake of yet. Another early playoff departure. Listen to Russ spont- so much at a high level haters com. That's how life is. Live man when you do so much people go pool take away and try to take that away from you. But nobody can take away from have been blessed. Stay pretty full say thankful. To be able to do what I'm able to do and nobody can never take that away from me, regardless of what it is. I mean stores ridden many stats put up numbers of put a doesn't matter. Take too much pride time effort to be able to go out. Compete in play hard every night. My body on the line. Can't take it away from me. I would never let anybody get away. So many years ask me every every year. I'll tell you the same acids because I truly believe it doesn't change the fact of anything. Now max, what are your biggest problems with what Westbrook had say, I'm not a hater of Westbrook. My favorite player. But I see what I see. I see sometimes one play on my guts, the best player I've ever seen next plate. You can't win a championship with Westbrook. I said that many times about him. But it's still he's my favorite player because he goes all out all the time. I appreciate that naked aggression and dedication to try his best to win. Sometimes he tries to hard. I think here's my problem with what he just said one. He admits he's responding to critics. Why are you responding to critics? He's a principal guy. Keep doing what you're doing. Like he admits it here's the criticism and he works on his game. And then he claims he's being nip picked basically, well, hold on Russ. Which one is if you hear the criticism, if you respond, then you must think there's truth to it. Because you're an internally motivated, dude, you can't be playing critics who cares about us. You can't be as great as Russell west. But just to shut me or Stephen. What's your internally motivated guy? So if you're working on something, it's because you believe there's truth to it. Your call the ball hog. You didn't like it. Maybe you looked at yourself today. I gotta hook my teammates up more, whatever trust, my teammates more. So that you point to the assist totals to prove that you did you then you said, I didn't down being told I didn't shoot I didn't shoot it. Well, I'm gonna work my shooting all summer. Good. We're not making it up to nitpick. You you didn't shoot it. Well, enough a very low percentage from three if Russell Westbrook shot thirty five percent from three to advance. So what is he really saying? We hold Westbrook to a very high standard because we see the talent he has not won a single playoff series K D left. And he's never wanna championship is. He's saying you'll to my critics I play well enough. It's my teammates that aren't good enough. That's not true west. Because at a lot of good teams if it's my coaching. That's not good enough. Billy Donovan got there. The became the best defensive team in basketball. I don't think he's throwing his teammates Billy Donovan under the bus. So what is he? Really saying what were saying Russ is? We think so highly of you, we think you should be able to lead a team deep into the playoffs as the best player on the team you've been unable to do it. So then we start looking for reasons why. And I'm not one to say, you're a bad leader or something like that. I'm looking at your shooting and going he ain't shoting it well enough period. So when he says, Stephen I'm gonna go work on my shooting. He's has to be acknowledging that it's true that is shooting a good enough. So what's the upset about? I'll tell you what he's upset about. He's upset about the fact that he doesn't get to control. What we think? And how we feel Russell Westbrook wants us to shut the hell up. And appreciate the greatness of his talent. What he doesn't want to do doesn't realize this? But what he doesn't want us to do is measure him against the other great talents in the NBA. And that's what most of these players are missing. Let me be very clear. Russell Westbrook is not only just phenomenally. Great talent. He's a good, man. What I mean by that is net. Ever get in any trouble off to court busters tail. Never cheats us would effort gives after one hundred percent of the time. I've I've I've communicated with his parents on several occasions to out the years tremendously. Great people that love their Sunday, you know, daily his why kids all that stuff? And Paul George said it best. He's real as it. It's not a phoney bone in. Russell Westbrook's body. He has one hundred percent authentic about who he is. And how he feels so in that regard. He does not deserve to be excoriated doesn't need to be a character issue question about Russell Westbrook because that is unfair. But what he's missing is that it's perfectly within line to say, look, bro you win. Steph. Curry is you win. Kyrie's got a championship. You're not winning. But Chris Paul even though he's devoid of a championship. No one's ever question. His floor generalship and his leadership. We do have a right to do that. We're looking at you average and triple doubles. We hear about you being fixated on get your numbers. Well, your shot. Ninety nine percent from three point range this year, you shot sixty five percent from the free throw line. Now, it's thirty two percent from threes in a season in the first round against Portland. It was eighty eight percent against the free throw line. But what was the problem you went up against Damian Lillard, and he gave it to you. And how do we know that he gave it to you? It wasn't just by hitting the game when it shot. It wasn't just by averaging thirty three but in but in the aftermath of winning that series, Damian Lillard, quote, let me give you what we call a road dog comment, just real and authentic, Damian Lillard said we got paraphrasing. You got different ways of going about doing things. I never disrespect my competition. My opponent, I go out the ball. I go home. This cat pounds is chess. He talks a lot of bleep you're gonna stay. And that's how he gets off. That's Damian Lillard calling you out for how you came at him. So in the end, why you going to media it's possible because it's a lot easier to get at the media. Then. It is to get at Dame. That's what have that's a great hold on. Stephen. That's a great point. When you are great. You are still compared to your contemporaries to the competition. It's not just like if Westbrook wants us to just talk about his greatness in a vacuum. That's not how it exists. It's tested against the competition. And there's a hierarchy and we're here to talk about that. There's a hierarchy which teams advance. And then we start to look at the players, and why some teams advanced, and why some didn't is is Westbrook saying that that Portland has that has better teammates than he does that the is a better coach than he on that. Right. So in that case, we start looking at Westbrook lane, basically Lillard is better than no. He's basically saying who are we to question him? And our response should be we cover the sport coverage of the sport is what enabled you to get two hundred million dollars. So guess what we're sitting here, and we're chronically what do nothing person seeing that me you have to do. It seems to me fairly simple. You both laid it out are the critics right or wrong in the story. Tuck -nology truth brought to you by code. Truth. You think you can solve any problem by turning computer all on him? And now turn off and on probably it's smoking museum Easter truth. 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"Mike Zimmer weather stuff on digs will play on Sunday quote. I don't know we'll see I don't know if Mike Zimmer really likes any of his players. Right now have faith it does not like maybe the dude at insurance to work well. There is that but there's also the fact that he didn't love publicly apologized feeling cousin. That'd be doesn't like them but let us begin Bomani with the seahawks who visiting Rams thirty to twenty nine thanks to rig Greg Zuber Line missing this game winning field goal and also Russell Wilson making a lot of throws that maybe one or two other creatures on this planet can be realistically expected to complete so Bo how should four and one Seattle now feel about how they escaped with that particular win better than they would. They escape without that loss. I mean this wasn't a terribly impressive performance. In that stadium. They used to be so fearsome for everyone. Teddy Bridgewater the saints came in there and won a game not too long ago when the struggling jared goff off almost pulled one off here and that's the way it has got a field extra great. Your defense did not play especially well. You got by this game by and large because of the singularity of your quarterback right your quarterback is now reached a place where it's fair to say that he's passed that just very good thing and now of course this is playing on a superstar level and sometimes you need your superstar to get you a win. You couldn't get ordinarily and I think that's what happened here. I don't know how many teams are that actually would prefer their own quarterback actor. Russell Wilson Right now because I can think of the chiefs mahomes and maybe the packers and Rogers. That's kind of it. Russell Wilson Right now is making impossible throws. He is leading the League in terms of completion percentage while the expected completion percentage is number thirty two. He's doing stealth that nobody else not even mahomes can do right now but it does seem like this team has realized if we have Russell Wilson if we have this guy will be okay but see I think that's something that they've no right and I think think they've known this this on the basis of like what pay him and everything else. They've won a super bowl with him. I think they know that that's a guy that will be okay with. I think it's more so now the ceiling that he is head has always been what's most alluring about Russell Wilson is GonNa. Take a few more sex than you need them to because it's always gonNA hang on waiting for the big play. Look for this to happen on timing. He's not that sort of do but the high end of what he could do because of his talent athleticism was always so far up there when you have a measure of consistency now that is in line with that level of dynamic play played that he could also give now. We're talking about something that's on a completely different level and I don't even think they knew that this was possible because honestly most of us didn't think that this was possible and also look at what they he gave him they gave him. Dj Metcalf Rookie wide out they gave him Tyler Lockett who made that insane catch the corner but they lost Doug Baldwin. The running game is there but that's almost to the detriment preventive Russell Wilson because Brian Schottenheimer loves running the ball one of the things that I think is interesting about this season in particular is that we've seen Russell Wilson unleashed in spite of the circumstances and on that level is absolutely an MVP and absolutely carrie. I don't think though was in spite of I think it's in part because of if you've got an athletic quarterback with all the ball down field in that way anchoring that around a running game is a good idea right like this the idea out there like notable forty fifty times again. It wouldn't look like this if he did that now. The Rams who feel gold away for being the resurgent ramp but they lost Thursday night so they're the three to rams and oh the offense put a four to seventy every seven total yards and jared goff wasn't sagged with running gang struggled again in the defense is poor for the second straight week Pablo Thursday nights on the road at tougher any team but it's time to worry about up to twenty one thousand nine rams. It is because that defense is not helping them that defense is more or less what they were last year seems arguably a little worse but the problem it is when the offense looked significantly worse when the offense seems to have been solved by the opponents that they are playing do expect Wade Phillips to carry more of the load because they're absolutely not doing that. They have surrendered about nine. Hundred yards told the last two games while the offense has to their credit been putting out about nine hundred yards. The offense also hasn't been like really on the field. They were only out there for about twenty four minutes this last game you gotta give defense something one way to give you defend something is to try to run the ball. We had a todd gurley reemergence. I guessing the I gave it to him early. Allot Indian he had fifteen carries and Total Malcolm Brown had one and I understand that they're not running the ball as well as they had previously. You can't just give up on the whole idea so it's one thing to say hey todd. Gurley needs more carries generally speaking. It looks like they need more cares because it's not like Jerry. Golf is playing in a way to make you. I believe that you can carry a whole team all by himself. You GotTa do more than this but I think Sean. McVeigh has realized that and I think Sean McVeigh has also realized that this thing we're Ram. The offensive genius was predicated on the running game and so what happens Matt Patricia last year ends up throwing out the six men upfront defense which everyone else's now copied since super bowl belch copied it and now the seahawks carol have copied it and it's working so todd Gurley has the two touchdowns heavy early run but after that it's like if we can't do the outside right zone thing we're not going to be these pearly offense and that is an enormous problem for what this team hold on it shouldn't be a problem and y'all told me catch some kind of genius right and so if he is the genius that you say we like to run outside zone okay. Well teams are shutting that down. The only kind of running play that there is so. How are you not in a position to come up with something else anybody. That's going to be the at the vanguard of some paradigm shifting sort of offensive defensive scheme. They're going to catch up to you at some point. The difference between the greats like the Bill Walsh's into chip Kelly types is what's. What's people catch up then the next? He's got to figure something out because the solution is not. We're just not gonNA run the ball no more we turn now to Ronald Kunia in your junior the braves star center fielder in the seventh inning of game one of the LDS last night Hunia slow to admire this parabolic fly ball to right only to discover as it hit the wall that he had trotted his way into a single Atlanta Louis seventy six to saint louis fled to teammate Freddy Freeman saying saying this it is it's frustrating but I think you have that conversation. Once become a dead horse I can beat the dead horse after you you know keep having that same conversation over and over again he he he. I mean you got to know that that was mistake. So that can't happen in the playoffs happened in the regular season so unfortunately that happened Kunia taking more heat than he really deserves here. I mean now from his teammates. They have every right to be serious with him about that right because there's a thing even if it is a home run they don't take the home back if you run too fast right now when advantages manages that somebody didn't like the home run trot now. We're talking about something else but this actually mattered like this had an effect on the outcome of the game. You deserve all the hill you get for something that I was totally within your control. Yeah neither of US are here for the unwritten rules of baseball but that's mostly because the rules are there to protect the emotions of your opponents. I don't oops care about that. At all. I care about though is whether guys being a good teammate and on this count is worth noting that in August they basically punished him for doing the exact same thing he thought it was a home run in wound up a single and in this case in particular in a one score game a double would have probably made a difference uh-huh forget about being a good teammate. How much is being a good baseball player. A guy that turns doubles into singles is not a good baseball player. It doesn't matter why you turn the double into a single single. You're the one who did that was the lack of hustle stuff right it gets into some real awkward places because who the people are that are typically accused of doing such thing they tend to look like. Ronald junior and sometimes speak the same language that being said you gotta own this one. His teammates seemed to be clear on the idea that he's got all this when I also don't think that this is going to ended up being the biggest deal in the world because it ain't they suspend him he going to be right back out here playing the day because what are they going to do is so good. He's an MVP candidate he hit forty home home runs in the League in steals. When you talk about being good baseball player I think part of the complication for a guy like Ronaldo Kunia junior that he was the best player on the field and so there is some amount of I think modulating your own you go and modulating what you think you have to do to be great because this Guy self-evidently is unbelievable but you can't get away with this but so many times that is the one thing about it is staggering that in this moment that he hit him but I mean call it a missile air or whatever it is or call it misunderstanding how far you hit the ball. Just run a little harder to start all within. You'll be okay coming up next fags and cowboys who you got. This look haunted no. I don't think so what about those two creepy girls stay with us. Eastern truly pregnant fairly Michigan. A Guy goes great serviced missed GEICO. You get twenty four seven access to agents. Thank you creepy. Girls Sleep in the kyw now at the GEICO weeds which today twenty four seven access to licensed agents greetings earthlings is being you from above the Heineken river deck appear seventeen all right so we found out the SAM darnold is not going to play this weekend still shaking off their motto and here's what he said he was gonNA. Come down to uh-huh. It's a tough thing because you want us to save. I WANNA I WANNA make sure I'm safe out there and the guy yeah good standard. Where are they concerned when the Games don't even matter anymore quote you definitely take it personally because we we didn't expect to go out there and only put up ten points citizen. Elliott after thirty five yards on eighteen carries in a loss to the saints last weekend. Pablo do you you see Zeke and the cowboys bouncing back against the packers on Sunday I do because they should. The Green Bay packers are gonNA miss very likely devante atoms their starting left tackle starting quarterback and so those injuries alone should tip the scale in their favor but we're going to find out the cowboys are any good though because this is the schedule so far they beat the giants Washington in my emmy. The states like this is going to tell us a lot about how good this team actually is given the low level of competition they've had previous or so. Here's the thing for the cowboys. This is is their strength on the packers weakness. The cowboys strength running the ball. The packers weakness being able to stop this is where it's going to be interesting there for Dallas. They should should be able to impose their will on Green Bay in that way one would think that should open up the passing game a bit which Green Bay by the way pretty good at shutting down right so I'm with you very much on the idea that this is where we're going to find out where the Dallas actually good or not because a good team. I feel like this is a game that a good team should win. And how are we feeling about Dak Prescott at this point because I know you think that he's GonNa get paid. No matter what what are they gonna do but in terms of the amount of money he can get like how how important is this weekend to. Dak Inspiration. I don't think he's playing for money right now. Maybe he's playing for money in the sense that he's holding something like thirty five. Jerry doesn't want to give it to them. Jerry sticking. It's something like thirty two or something like that but that's not. GonNa come out here and do something that means now all of a sudden. You have to pay me forty million dollars a year. I don't think that we're in that space. They're just trying to figure it out. He's playing for this team. I think more than he is playing for contract. What do you think that was going to do if he comes here and has a couple of bad games they they only go pay him twenty two but Jason Garrett then the person who has more to worry about Helen more and Jason Garrett but I don't even know if Jason Gary you win by winning because I don't know how much credit Jason Gary gets for the winds as they take place like the biggest. I think you deal with your Kelly Moore. They're so young and you haven't done this necessarily but Jason Garrett his head years in his tenure there in Dallas where they've done things like one twelve or thirteen games or something like like Dick Sweat and for his job at this point so I mean whatever's going to happen. It Ain't GonNa happen because what happens against the Green Bay packers but even though Jason Garrett is like good at roster management and like you go management all that other stuff. You're still thinking to yourself. I don't really know how good he is in terms of running a tape. I've never known how good a coach he is only ever swear to Jason. Gary was a good coach do dude who won't pay him right now. He might be ahead of the curve for where I thought maybe he would be Bruce Arians about James Winston Winston so bold you expect the bucks to beat the saints this weekend. I don't know if I expected because they're going against a pretty good defense. The saints have demonstrated themselves to be a pretty good defense. James James still the dude who for better or worse but he's going to do some big things and he's going to give you one or two chances to throw the ball back. He does those intersection. You could tell like let's go i. I knew I shouldn't have done all right right and he's GonNa. Give them those opportunities that being said he has done more positive things these last three weeks that we have seen them really doing a three week stretch at any other point in his career. I don't know if that's enough of them to go to the Wallin's went on the road. Yeah he is totally exceeded my expectations because it's weird right now that he's on this run of to really good games against the rams especially but he's also the guy you still leads the league in pick sixes still also the guy who leads the NFL since he arrived in the league in multi interception games and so I worry as much as Bruce Arians has done a really good job recently of saying all the right things about James that James is still fundamentally. The Guy can't help himself from turning the ball but the question is not whether he's going to turn the ball over he will. We know the answer to that. It's weather in the overall calculus where the his turnovers are balanced out enough by enough high in place. Are they going to be enough of those but no he's going to be a guy that turns the ball over guys like that all the time like one thing about this new era of the NFL where everybody wants to guys who does whatever they don't throw interceptions. That's how you get guys. That's out here throwing these five. You're five air yard per till sort of games that we got here. That's not going to be with this dude he he is. He's going to take some chances. Is he going to do it right enough to where you can live with the negative on the chances but if you only evaluate him on the negative he's GonNa fail no matter what but the good news for James says that he does have the safety net and the safety net is named Mike Evans Chris Godwin and the rest of that receiving tight ends included because those guys the two top receivers bridge are leading the league. I believe in combined yardage like the weaponry around. This team makes me think that as much as the saints or the team I expect to win this game because I've been really impressed by their defense. The bucks are absolutely in this thing aren't they. They've had these weapons for a long time. It's not like these do just showed up here last year. They had to Sean Jackson to go with the guys that we talked right. Here in the school could not find hideaway necessarily to get it done so who knows maybe this is a whole new world here with Tampa that we've had but since that first game they have look strong. They win that if they had their feel go. We'll go through against the giants. We're talking about three and one all right coming up next so jay GRUDEN. Did he like everyone. Wayne Haskins in the first place all right so oh. This is fairly impressive. Wow I mean this falls into the category of things that are super impressive but also like lake. We're sure it's real. We're sure this is real because it's real easy to fake these videos guys. I'm just saying open not even your third eye open. The two is is so easy to. It's so easy to do this now. Belotti come on not impressed fifteen with Ryan has drafted fifteenth overall by Washington in the first round of this year's draft but now the Washington Post Post reports both the Jay groome one haskins and that Haskins consents grew did not want him Pablo. What do you make of that. I mean I sitting here with you and I can sense is that Jacob didn't ask and can only imagine what Wayne Haskins is feeling but this also kind of makes sense because what does Jay Gruden want or so. We thought he he wants to win. Now and Dwayne Haskins as much as he is the better prospect of Colt McCoy in case keenum. He's not necessarily that obvious answer for a coach. Who's WHO's on borrowed hold on. We're talking about two different things here. I think you're talking about whether he wants to Wayne Haskins to play right now. It sounds like they're talking about whether drew wattage Audrain Haskins to be drafted at all like whether he actually wants him to be on the roster and two guys. I respond with so what you grew. You didn't want him to beyond the team so what he's here now what he doesn't want you to be there so what you're here now. Everybody's going to have to find a way to figure this out and honestly none of that's going to matter very much because Jay Gruden's probably not going to be on the coach net team but for so long but I think you answered your earlier question which is the reason why things are all connected is because Jay Gruden in knows. He's not long for this job so he needs to perform at this moment and the fascinating story about the Dwayne Haskins history there from the draft is that Daniel Snyder apparently reportedly overruled others in the organization and why perhaps did he do that because Dwayne Haskins and his son went to school together and are friendly like that to me understandably understandably infuriating if I'm the coach like you know media but it's a CD meals but that old like that part we've known for a very long time as to how it is that has probably wound up there except for this other the part which is they needed to draft a quarterback in that was definitely the best quarterback that was it light redrafted according to what most people thought so even with the connection port and everything else they had to go get a quarterback now my question about Jay gruden where you say. He wants to win right now to keep his job. What makes anybody think he wants to keep this job like he. Has This job right now. I am not sold on the idea that like Jay groome how mad I be if they offer me a contract extension and they're like hey man. I'd like to sign up for five more years. It is no I would. I would like to do anything but but let's traveling traveling to the weird mind Jay Gruden because I think what he is doing is thinking to himself as you pointed out before on this show when we had Alex Smith gay manager. We were like six three and in the playoff the off hunt. I don't need a project. I don't need a rookie. I need one of those guys. Get me one of those guys. That's draft something else that could help and I think that's part of the reason why Dwayne Haskins I can feel all of that negative but they went and got him the guy the guy was like the guy that you described case keenum and they made the trade to go get that that guy's hurt too though Colt McCoy is not her Jay Jay Gruden feel better about all this twenty one. Dabo swinney received twenty one votes from fellow coaches on a poll from stadium. I'm asking which coach would you want your son to play for so Bomani. Are you surprised. Sweeney got more votes than any other coach on that list yeah. Am because I would expect it. He had more people that sat here hate known him right like David Cliff was second on this one. That's a guy would expect. Maybe wind up being number one such a nice man and also he's done a great job was going on. do Davos Dude if you watch the first couple years at era that looked like it was going to go the way that it has at this point. I thought it would have been a lot more coaches saying I could do that if I had boosters that we give me all this money for coordinators and everything else I need but now he's piercing the like. Oh isn't that something yeah. I would've assumed that self protection would be the motive in any of these votes especially anonymous honest ones because on the list otherwise you're right cut cliff. They're also the guy at navy like people who aren't really threats to the big guns but also notably missing on this list is Nick Sabin even right so what accounts for the Sweeney versus Sabin discrepancy here when it seems like his boys are willing to ride for that guy but not the guy he's a rival again. We go through that though none of the other coaches that we think of as big names and granted them quickly don't have as many as they were before none of them. Were there except for Dabble. That guy was the only one God my guest. He can't forget this part to dabble was selling you a program that is very much so wrapped in his Christian faith so that is important to you. I can totally see how you would decide decide that. This is the guy that you want to coach your son. Maybe that is the next level of it or maybe he's just that dude at the coaches clinics man. Everybody loves him. Maybe he just shows up a point and everybody everybody around him. I have no idea but I know what College Basketball Roy Williams is always way up on the overrated coach vote and it's just haters. They all I could do that if I was there and his sure they'd say that about this do eight closing. We got hockey into the show and it's not even a flight there. You Go Anderson signed here. We go wait for it. Wait for it. They're the one job brother Toby two years ago and he was right. There's two things that always funny at one of them is falling Joe. It's only funny if you don't have anything invested the New York randomness because I presume you guys afforded. That's I presume falling down on. The ice is going to ruin him. He's in the wrong line of work Pablo. This is funny no no matter the circumstance if you root for the Rangers in UK laugh at this the need to get a better equipment managed to give him better patty but can I tell you why I actually favor him. As a person I WANNA protect correct and keep safe. Do we have the other video from two thousand eighteen. I believe where he also appears. Sweetser won gold twice in this tournament is like some twenty eight t in like junior level. Advan county silver medal since then they've won silver here nope anybody can have protect him protected this man who lives up to the courage of his Co.. You'll be glad to know Pablo blow fell on the ice. He thank God thank God skating's dangerous man minimizing scary you taking so long in closing there is nothing scarier actually been a rat who is completely unafraid. you go out to some cities. He's somewhere on earth in which a cat feels like he has praised except that rat is doing that. Let me out of there's a prize. That doesn't go like that more often Iraq. Have you ever seen a day rat rat walking around during the daytime. It fears nothing unbelievable highly questionable coming up next.

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Best of The Herd: 04/19/2019

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

44:11 min | 1 year ago

Best of The Herd: 04/19/2019

"Hey, everyone. I'm Dr ause. I love getting the talk with you on my show every single day when the cameras stopped rolling the conversation isn't over where decided to start a podcast in order to dive deeper into the issues, and ideas that I love sharing with you. It's health, unfiltered, my wife, Lisa will be joining me together. We're taking wellness to the next level and having a little fun along the way. Listen and subscribe at apple podcasts are on the I heart radio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. Thanks for listening to the best of heard podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday from twelve to three eastern nine to noon Pacific on Fox Sports radio NFS one. Find your local station for the hurt at Fox Sports radio dot com or stream it live every day on the iheartradio app by searching heard. Is the best of the herd with Colin cowherd on Fox Sports radio. This is the heard we are packed jammed on a Friday live in Los Angeles. Iheartradio, Fox Sports radio and f s one absolute pleasure to have you in today. I love being here urban Meyer and fifteen minutes going to talk about the NFL draft Wayne Haskins is Buckeye players. Can't wait for that the entire new college football crew at FOX is gonna stop by our show today. So last night, and I've been saying this now for the last month. Kevin Durant the world's best basketball player. He does not have Magic, Johnson's charisma. He does not have kind of Michael Jordan's. I guess almost use the word charisma. He's not an icon at sixteen years old like LeBron James, but at different times magic was the world's best basketball player. Michael was a world's best basketball player. Lebron was the best basketball player for about. Ten years and Kevin Durant. Now, the world's best basketball player. Last night was a clinic. He got poked in the ribs got poked in the ribs. Steve Kerr even poked him in the ribs low. But he came out last night game is over eight minutes. Best basketball player in the world. I mean, the guys unbelievable Yoenis sorry doesn't shoot three's. Doesn't handle the ball like K D Stephanie Nevis size his length? James harden doesn't have as overall game. Not the defender. Not the late not as Atlantic. This is the world's best basketball player. I'm not saying the gap between him and LeBron gigantic. But this is it this is what it looks like. Okay. And when he joined the Golden State Warriors, he joined it for basketball reasons. He's like, I can't win titles with crazy Westbrook. He joined it for basketball reasons in winning basketball. Those are the right reasons, this is why shouldn't go to New York because he's not join in New York for basketball reasons, I had dinner about a week ago with Mark few the coach Gonzaga, and I asked him. He was at the mini camp this summer with USA basketball. And harden was there and Westbrook was there and Kevin Durant was there, and I'm not going to give the away most of the private conversation. But I did ask him about Durant. And he just laughed. Mark futures loud. You man. Man, you know, who else had that response. Mike chef ski the first time he was asked about LeBron James that he saw him. I remember that is she was like about LeBron man. I when when talent evaluators like Mark view and makes his chef. He can't explain a guy as like. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. You can't stop that guy. I mean that that is what you have right now. And last night he got poked in the ribs and completely dominated the game. And here's what I say. When you work your entire life to be great at something. Lebron work does entire life to be great at something. And you you become the best at something what? Kevin Durant is you keep your foot on the pedal. K Nilo Bron James went to Los Angeles. And I understood it because he'd been the best basketball player in the world for about a decade or more, and you can make an argument. Lebron said, listen, I can sense it. I'm not quite the same player. I don't have the energy. I'm going to move in the business. I got that with Michael Jordan. And I get it with LeBron. But but that's not the case with Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant got three to four more prime years. He's worked as entire life to be the best basketball player in the world. He is it you do not move away from basketball. Now, if he wants to come back with a new arena, and then maybe he gets banged up a little, and then he thinks you know, what man I'm on the back nine and then Kevin wants to go to New York. I get it. But last night was another example, he is just crazy. There are the NBA's full a great basketball players, even among the greatest basketball player Yana staff hardened Durant's a notch above he just he gets his shot. When wants it in Marcus Thompson covers him he's writing a book on Kevin Durant. We had them at the end of our show yesterday. Marcus Thompson, he's got the closest relationship with Kevin Durant. Eddie money in the American media. It was a fascinating interview. I just sat here just asking questions and listening, and again, he's not magic personnel. -ality wise. He doesn't have the charisma and dress like Jordan who owes looked like a model. He doesn't have the iconic fifteen years old Ditto Zain LeBron, but but he's a different cat. But he's unbelievable. Here's marcus. Kevin durant? You gotta work to get to him. Right. Like, he he makes you where he he is so personable like he's a he's a human like, he's he's the most human guy ever covered. Really? Yes. No question. He felt like he talks you he feels what you're saying. Like, you have you can have existential conversation with him. No question. Like, he loves to talk. You know, he gets manager. He's going to let you know when he when you say something funny. He's gonna laugh like he's that way. Kevin Durant is like you go in there. You proud of you know, you gotta get something from off the bat. Yeah. So again, we've had different times in the history of the NBA. And I've watched it for four decades. Sometimes the best basketball player Kareem was kind of aloof and quiet. Sometimes the best basketball player. Magic Johnson at a huge personality. Sometimes he's been polarizing LeBron James Kevin's the best basketball player in the world. And he's not like everybody else. He lo- more sensitive. He's real. Will you poke him he responds? But God last night was a clinic. He just clinic. There's great, and then there's Durant, and it's an amazing place to be in your life. You work your butt off your entire life to be the best radio guy, the best landscape or the best lawyer the best whatevs, and you get there to take your foot off the gas. You take your foot off your gas in four years when you're out of your prime, and you want to go to New York, you don't take it off. Now, you stay in basketball nirvana and Oakland and you win every last game. You can. All right. Let me shift to this. Got it admit, I look, really. I looked really smart last night. Weren't you watching that Sixers game and gun? Hey cowherd. Hate that guy. Come on you Philadelphia fans. Admit it, you don't like me. Some you eagles fans have turned you like me a little, but you sticks are fans that light me. But last night you sat there watching on your black and white TV and Philadelphia and you're like cowards, right? We're better when Simmons is the star and Embiid sitting. So I said yesterday last night is what the Philadelphia seventy Sixers should look like going forward. Ben Simmons has got the ball. No center clogging up the middle in a bunch of JJ relics and butlers and Tobias Harris on the outside that is the future. Joel Embiid not playing showed you what it should look like you cannot have two guys in the NBA and your author that can't shoot threes. So you better pick one Simmons who can at least get the ball to guys who can shoot three's. Get it to ready get into Butler. Get it too by Tobias Harris. Okay. Oklahoma City had the same situation where harden and Westbrook. The head to make a choice and Westbrook at the time was slightly more developed in his game than harden was with his, and they chose Westbrook. But they didn't watch where the NBA was going, and it was going and hardens direction. Not Westbrook, and they didn't have the vision. And so they chose the more developed player in the moment and this morning. Embiid is more complete in his game than Simmons is in. His Simmons is still evolving. Embiid. This is the product and Embiid product today's better than Simmons. But basketball isn't just about what it used to be in. What it is. It's. About where it's going and it's going to Simmons number one. I'm not into bigs used to be my favorite player was Kareem Abdul-Jabbar for years, but I'm not into Karl Anthony and Anthony Davis and beat. I mean, I think they're great players show me them leading their franchises to playoff wins. Because that's all the sports about about the post season. Number two is I'm not in a big who get hurt. Anthony Davis hurt a lot. Embiid is still miss board games that he's played for the Sixers. I'm not making that up by the way out last night last year, Miami out two games. He's hurt a lot B C excuse me. You could get a ton for Joel Embiid on the market. Of course, it goes great player mean walks into an arena, he's twenty seven points and twelve rebounds. He's funny socially can be dominating. There's gotta be a team in this league. The doesn't have shooters or bigs, and they got some assets and draft picks, and they wanna have a dominant player m b John all-star one of the ten twelve best players in America right now. He's got value. Don't tell me that value. And the Davis has value a big who gets hurt and doesn't have a lot of playoff resume stuff. But be very careful basketball is changing we have a renaissance going on Houston. Golden State is the way to do it. Philadelphia collared. Why do you have to get rid of either of them? Have you watched? The Sixers this year second-best roster in the NBA Philadelphia. And there are a number three seed in the east it'd be a number six seven seat in the west the second best Rostro in the NBA warriors, Philadelphia Houston, and then you could argue Milwaukee Boston. So the bottom line Embiid who's already been hurt before he gets hurt beg-. This is what you should look like get Simmons the ball. If you have a big with Simmons. It'll clog up the lane and he's gonna score ninety percent of his point in his career at the basket. He's a six ten and a half point outside of magic. I've never seen. Anybody who even looks like Ben Simmons at point? And he's gonna give you last night thirty one points. He's gonna give you twenty four night at the rim. And beat can give you twenty seven at the rim. But Embiid can't get it to shooters and control the temple like, Ben Simmons. And I like him beat yesterday. I'd unveiled my twelve best basketball players in the NBA. I had him beat at like six. He is more refined today than Ben Simmons. He is and Westbrook in Hardin back when they had to make a decision Westbrook was a more complete player at that moment. That harden who still developing, but don't get caught up in the moment. This is why there's great stock pickers in America Wall Street's not just the stock price today. What to going to be in six years? The Sixers last night. That's what they should look like gimme Rettig on one wing. Give me Tobias on another give me Butler on another you trade MBDA at another shooter somewhere. Maybe a draft pick go draft next year the best shooter you can find. But that's the NBA tomorrow today. It looks more like Embiid every year less and less like that more like Simmons. Good stuff, by the way. It was kind of ironic in Brooklyn. They were teasing Ben Simmons. They had these missing posters on like on like polls in Brooklyn. Ben Simmons jumpers missing. Yeah. Who was missing MB didn't play. Simmons was great best Guidon floor. One. More heard the herd. Streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio app. Search her to listen live or on demand. Whenever you lies on the next Ron burgundy podcast. This is actually exciting. You've got Mr Peter Dink ledge Chang's impersonal poetry, actually, a lot of people actually find poetry interesting. Sound machine away series throat of games game of thrones rod in any surprises. We can expect from Tylenol Lancaster, curious minister. Iheart radio is number one for podcasts. And it's easy to see. Why? The Ron burgundy podcast on the iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts. My pleasure. A guy. I've known for a long long time urban Meyer three national championships. I think one of the most remarkable things about urban Meyer. Who's now part of the new FOX college football show. Fifteen bowl games, twelve and three. In fact, your teams in fifteen bowl games yet one really bad bowl game. And I remember afterward. You're at Florida you said like this team as team drove me crazy to member of that team that was headed bunch of NFL guys that drove you nuts. I think it was two thousand seven xactly was. Yeah. Yeah. So you're one of the great bowl game coaches turned around two programs, by the way, folks. Played college football at Cincinnati who was a defensive back and he would hit ya. I know all about Meyer. Okay, now, let's get the stuff that I'm fascinated with Dwayne Haskins. Okay. I said the New York Giants have the number six picks. So I watched them in Ohio State. He's a perfect pocket guy. He moves don't love his accuracy. But he here's my problem. You had so many good receivers at Ohio. State this year that so many of his yards a lot of drag. You get pairs Campbell a ball, boom. He's gone. How much is due Wayne? How much are the received? I don't remember you have in this money. Good speedy receivers how much credit does he get? And how much was your offense in the receivers coach? I think that's a great analysis. I think that we've had you go Alex Smith to Chris leaked attempt Tiba cartel Jones JT Braxton Melo's in there. He's by far the most accurate guy. I put him a lot with the same with Alex Smith that we had but the job of a quarterback has utilizes personnel. And that's what he did. We had very good receivers yet. And the and the other thing is accuracy is number one. Number two is football IQ. Outstanding Ryan day did a great job with them. But he never really got hit. And he had the great, you know, he has great peasants understand which way to flip the protection, and that's going to be. I think that's one of the most overlooked things for quarterbacks. What's his football IQ? Because when you see a not get hit you say, well, the offense lines, great, wait a minute. A lot of times they're flipping protections to make sure the picking up the pressures, and that's what other than accuracy. That's join strength. Okay. When he moves his accuracy dip, should I be concerned is movement is just okay. He's not I, but I I saw his body the other day when he was training. He still young. He has one year under his belt playing. He's grown up into his body. And I I that's a concern. But not that big z mature enough to be the faith of a five billion dollar franchise. Not yet is. Close though, he's only got one year under his belt. And I think the situation will be perfect and there's a couple of out there. And he comes any learns for year at some point. It'll be the face of a franchise because the giants are six billion dollar franchise eventually in there's a lot of heat in New York. You put him behind Eli show them. How to be a pro. That's that worked for you a lot of conversation about that. And without studying in a great detail. I think that's ideal. Okay. Now, I wanna talk about Nick Bosa. So when Joey came out years ago, I said this on the air. I said he's either going to be greater a bust 'cause I watched them he took a bunch of plays off. And I said I like my rusher. Sometimes I'll give it three hundred thirty pound defensive tackle some plays off a lot of body weight. I look at neck, and it's just how what my eyes tell me. There's a little little brother. I like him. He's feistier, and when your brother's great you wanna prove your as good as your brother, I actually like this Bosa and the airlines great more than the other one. There's something about as motor. Okay. So what am I? Seeing explain 'cause you had both. Well, it's great family lineage to father was a first round draft pick out of Boston College as mother's brother was heir Kumo. And so that's another first round draft pick Nick Bosa is as good a football player. He's a tough cat. He's a three point three GPA guy. He does everything. Right. When he went down. It took us two months to get over that. That's how good of a player is. I don't know if there's a can't miss. But if I'm a general manager in the NFL, I don't know how you let that one go. That's how good a player. He is. Really? He's that good. You have to double them Khalil Kish. Yeah. You have to chip them w have to slide to them. There's different ways that people are going to try it. But his his four to sit Welles is we call four to six eight to be his relentless pursuit of a quarterback in effort is I don't see him. Take plays off. Now is an animal. He's an animal, and he just trains like an animal to he. He's the entire package. Okay. I want to go to the number one pick kind of Murray. So when I think of you urban I actually think of offense and. Think of quarterbacks people forget how good Chris leak was because Tibo was so dynamic, and so you know, he was just Tim tebow was college football for about three years. People. Forget Chris leak was unbelievable. The tremendous player very cerebral. But he didn't have the size for the NFL. So you've had a lot of different quarterbacks. Eat at a runners you Alex Smith can run village straight-line speed big time. So I look at Colorado. And I'm like, okay, look small to me. I know he put on ten pounds here. Let's he plays at one eighty eight. I draft Bosa as zero doubt size speed is it when you look is a guy who knows quarterbacks. Can't I say looks like he pays plays at one eighty eight kind of looks small to me. I think the Russell Wilson is given every smoke quarterback glimmer of hope because you'd think logically to put a five foot ten five foot eleven our big Kaya color is behind these these giant human beings that doesn't make sense. But he the coach did a great job. Him out of the pocket, creating throwing lanes forum. And he's arguably, you know, we had Braxton Miller he looks to me like a Braxton Miller back there. I'm in a guy that can expand extend plays elite elite athlete, and obviously has a lead arm. Here's a question. I he has one year body work. Those are the two top quarterbacks in the NFL draft right now they played one year of football. And you talking about quarterback experts or you know, the guy usually it takes four to five years to learn how to play that position. Those would be my concerns about our guide Dwayne and collar on your I if you ran an NFL franchise near a college guy, and that's what you love. And I think it works you and Nick Sabin. I think your personalities worked for college at both great recruiters and personnel guys. Not that you couldn't work at the next level. But if you did run in NFL franchise today, would you take the bigger Dwayne the athletic guy? I think I would sit in that room. And I'd struggle with the size. I maybe I couldn't get over it. Because everybody says Russell Wilson. Coach Russell is one of the best players have ever seen play the game. That's that's that's not fair. I'm not saying that everybody's saying Russell Wilson. I'm like deserve to get. Russell Wilson's a first ballot hall of Famer could you take title number one? I could would I take him headed Wayne. I'm not sure you said the same thing about Russell Wilson. I'll say the same thing about Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. That's so hard to be the guy that can't get out of trouble. And I look at Peyton Manning. And I look at Tom Brady and coach that position forever. Been around stand right behind him in practice. That's why it's so hard to find the pure classic drop back quarterback. That's exceptional. I think I if I'm a guy if I'm a general manager you have to have a quarterback can get out of trouble. I believed Dwayne can do that. He's not going to be the collar Murray, and he's not going to be Russell Wilson. But he's good enough to get get yourself out of trouble. And that's a huge part of playing quarterback. So you. Bowling green? You turn around immediately Utah. You turn around immediately Florida, you're turned around immediately. Ohio State you turned around immediately. Bill Parcells is the only person in the history of football that I can compare you to takes Nikko while took Bella check awhile intake. You awhile didn't take parcels. What's the secret sauce into quick turnaround? Because if you're a Miami if your jet coach and Adam gays, you know, you're looking for a quick turnaround. Like, what is your secret sauce on that? Appreciate those kind words in the I think I talked a lot of young coaches about this. I think it's this. I think it's not secret sauce. It's when when you see coach takeover program of times, you'll hear the media and you'll hear sometimes coaches say wait till I get my guys in here the minute, you sound the coach there your guys you're better level you'd better grind them. And you better embrace their talents and not say like get my own guys. Inter that drives me insane. When I hear that. So we go to bowling green. They're great players there. He never take a shot at the previous coach. You don't do that you embrace? It. You take you love these guys up there your family now. And you know, I just think that's you look at it. We took over. Over from bowling great. Great coach, Gary black. They took over for Ron McBride at UT terrific, Ron zook. Great coach. And he's Jim tressel. Luke, fickle, great coaches. So we would never go backwards and say, well, you know, don't worry about that. So your players love them up create that team. They are your guys and I used to hear the media say, well, he gives own guys in there. These are our guys the meant you sign on his head coach through your players. So the NFL draft is interesting because you know. It's you do this. You see a high school kid, and he dominates physically. And then you get them to Ohio State and some guys they just don't love football. And then the Bose's they love football. So you've recruited a lot of five-star guys. And they play like three star guys new taken. I could name guys you've taken three star guys and play like five star guys. So you're sitting there. I if when Bella check calls, you and bill's gonna bills call you one hundred times, and like how much of football, obviously, there's a there's a sized thing that matters. But when you you and Bella check as much as you could tell me have a conversation. It seems like a lot of times Bill doesn't get caught up solely in that. That Bill has built an NFL dynasty. That's double the length of the Niners. Triple the lanes of Jimmy Johnson. Did unheard of the conversation with Bill what moves Bill on players the same thing that moves me. And I think the people that do the research on players Bill Belichick's one of the few. Head coaches that comes in spends time with our staff he wants to know because he has the measures forty yard dash vertical jump height weight to twenty-five bench press test to him that's called measurable in measurable. Here's a question. I have when I recruit lemme see him in the robbery game on four out wise that coach not running behind that. Right. Tackle vs your best player on fourth down. Or the big situations of the game Wisey not showing up. I don't see the highlight tapes a him against an inferior opponent where he's running touchdowns and second quarterbacks that means no different. So the to me it's the competitive spirit in the hardest situations, and we said when I needed to do those to give us your very best. That's what makes that's what makes both Bosa. Now, he's going to play his best in the best games. And when we go out recruit, the mistakes, we made our when we say, he's got the talent. But he just doesn't show up in the big game. I fight that big time. And I know coach Bela check in and the elite coaches to me, they're the ones always asking me those questions. What's he like against our rival what you like on fourth down? Is he the guy that you're going to run behind the guy that you're gonna give the ball to those are the guys that are have the competitive, heart, the champions, rich? Mckay told me years ago, you know, rich Atlanta Falcons used to run the buccaneers. He said I love watching Saturday night SEC games who stars at one hundred thousand people. You're nineteen years old. He goes if you can star in that environment at nineteen at twenty four you can start for us against the saints on Monday night football like to your point big games. Big moments who stars in the SEC on a Saturday night competitive spirit. That's the difference between it's not tall. Short fast. Slow. It's competitive spirit every coach whiffs on somebody. What's the recruit your proudest of in your life? You found a guy he was ignored. And it was I told you so oh man put me on the spot there. And that's what I do as a journalist do coach, I think JT bear. It would be the guy that was not a higher guy. I'm not claiming I found him because actually Tom Herman found him brought him to me brought him to me in. Area goes down at one of the greatest quarterbacks ever to play us talk about a big game quarterback. Oh, yeah. You know, my FOX college football team analyst Jimmy Hart time, south third down to one. We knew what you're gonna do JT. And I was like damn right because he can stop it. Jay Baer for I out. All right here, we go. Let's bring out the new crew FOX college football Saturday afternoon show. Rob stone, Reggie Bush Radi quake, Matt liner. Let's bring him out. Rob stone. You have your hands full dealing with these guys. Thirty thirty one. I noticed a hand. It's even just keep, you know feed the machine so college football. This is our new crew of all the guys here. And I think I've known all via Brady's part of the guy. I haven't known you're very outspoken, and that's what I love about. No guy haven't spent the time with my take fire shots wash out. So let me ask you about. I want to ask you a draft question. So you have all these quarterbacks out here. Now last year, I thought boy these are a bunch of as or potential as this year. I look at him. I say they could be good. But they feel like they all need to be developed. If I said Brady to you. What quarterback you've got the number one pick or a top pick who pops for you Dwayne Haskins for me. I mean as not 'cause co Jason right there. We tend to agree upon it. I got a chance to break him down a number of times this past year. And I think one of the things you saw throughout his game. Is he has a strong understanding of where the weaknesses are in the defense. What they're asking him to do how to execute it. But also how you can explore. With the defense is trying to take away. So I looked at his game way. Throws the football. You can make every throw. He's accurate. And I think the one thing that I even noticed a little bit and coach Craig nifong wrong. We saw him earlier in the year. We saw later in the year better playing well, not even better player. You saw him grow. As far as leaders the way talk to you. Add more confidence he had a little bit more bravado. It if you will as far as how he handled things. So that kind of came off to me is. Yeah, he's only got one year of starting. But he's going to be able to grow and continue to progress. And I think what they asked him to do in Ohio states to be very similar in the NFL. Okay. Now, it's interesting because I struggled evaluating you had a college. I've joked this much like in Ohio State at USC when you've got NFL guys up front. You don't face duress allot when you have ADT Peres Campbell? Or you have a Steve Smith USC. Do you worry about two next year or Dwayne this year that you don't you don't you got better players around? You you go to the NFL and you don't do you worry. That with Haskins. No, I don't think you know, like coach says, and he would know this better than any bus any of us. But Dwayne was really good at getting the ball fast. And understanding Brady said understanding we're defenses are trying to do to you offensively where you're trying to exploit an offense and the smart quarterbacks. Even if they're not the most mobile or even if they have a great offense line, they understand where the ball needs to go. And they understand where needs to go quickly. And for me, obviously, I played behind a great offense line one of the best. I've had great players around me. And then when you do transition to the NFL one of my I think positive my game was I was smart. I knew I knew where the blitzes come new were to get the ball out. So with Dwayne do think there's a small sample size of one year sample size, but the sky's the limit for this kid, and I think if he goes to a place where he can sit and understand he's a big kid. I mean, he's a big kid in. I think if he can sit for a year or two and understand and get used to the speed of the NFL game. That's another thing that speed in the size. He's got a chance to be. Star chomping at the bit. You want to say something looking at these two beautiful quarterbacks. And then. Here's what I need this table. That's the way. Allies Heisman here. Very runes. This table was made for known. I've known Robby for about twenty five years soccer player we used to work in Tampa together. Poor Reggie, you're a running back. If this interview was fifteen years ago, I wouldn't even care about these guys. What's it like to hang around quarterbacks? And it's all guys like me talk about now. I'm enjoying it. Obviously meeting have a great relationship. We go back a long time. And just getting to know Brady, rob coach, I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to building chemistry. We've already been taken little cheap shots at each other having fun. And that's really what it's all about. His recreating that chemistry on TV and allowing people to see just authentic and genuine side of us. Great stuff guys. Congrats to all of you coach. It's great to have Yellen team Brad g Matt rob and Brady Quinn. Congratulations doll scholar. Sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific on Fox Sports radio f s one and the iheartradio app. Everyone. I'm doctor ause. I love getting to talk with you on my show every single day when the cameras stopped rolling. The conversation is over decided to start a podcast in order to dive deeper into the issues, and ideas that I love sharing with you. It's health, unfiltered, my wife, Lisa will be joining me and together, we're taking wellness to the next level and having a little fun along the way. Listen subscribe at apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. According to Ian, Rapoport NFL reporter at rap sheet, raiders coach Jon Gruden and GM Mike Mayock sent their scouts home for the weekend. And they're not expected to return by draft time, the belief is they don't know who to trust and wanted to clear the room. Excuse me. What are we sure? This is not a a fake, Ian Rapoport tweet. What is that his account? Okay. You tell me. I mean, this is crazy. First of all the raiders sorta got hoes with their schedule. So to Tampa Bay the London games basically Tampa Bay and Oakland have a six week stretch in which they don't play they play four times on the road. Then they go, you know, London, Oakland as they were two got hosed by their schedule NFL admitted today, it's not ideal for Tampere, Oakland and Oakland doesn't play at home for about five six weeks, and they're divisions. Really good. But that London things not going away because British shockers getting more popular in America and the NFL's getting more popular in Europe, billionaires or seizing market share in other countries called globalization. It's going nowhere. But the raiders are just too much noise all sorts of pots and pans thrown on a part wood floor. They've got they just acquired the number one diva in the NFL Antonio Brown. They got rid of a great player Khalil Mack that made last year noisy. They got rid of Murray Cooper to the Cowboys. So everybody talks about that move. They hired. Jon Gruden who's the number one NFL analyst at a network. He's one of the more talkative, head coaches bad. Fact, the two guys now running the organization or former TV analysts they're moving to Vegas. They have three Braff picks in the first round, which is great. But it's unheard of there. They are just they are built for hard knocks. Seriously. I think they'd be a better TV show than a football team. This is unbelievable Gruden and Mike Mayock sent their scouts on the weekend. They're not expected to return by draft time, the belief is they don't know who to trust them wanted to clear the room. Further record. Let's schedules came out yesterday. Right. And I'm into that stuff or Wednesday night. Let's go over the raiders schedule and play the win loss game. Because I last year I was out on the raiders got a lot of heat from people in Los Angeles. And I was right. I'm not much higher on him now. Although I do think offensively they're going to be fun to watch. And I did give Gruden credit because I thought the raiders played pretty well late in the year when everybody could acquit on Jon Gruden and players did not quit on Jon Gruden. So he deserves credit. Let's play the win loss game open up with Denver at home. I'll give them a w Denver in Denver early. And you don't wanna plan but Denver on the road w then their schedule gets brutal Kansas City. They're gonna get wacked at Minnesota at Indy. They're not winning those games. Minnesota's not great at quarterback. They're great everywhere else. You're not beaten Andrew luck dome. They go to London they'll get mauled by Chicago. They're not beating Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay. So they're going to start the year one and five I'll give him an upset win. They'll be an underdog at Houston mostly because I think they're upgrade. In their defense through the draft and Houston towline line is bad. I'll give them a w over Detroit. What do you know a two game winning streak? But then they got to face the chargers loss Cincinnati a win. Despite what all you kids think traveling three thousand miles to play the jets that's not going to be good for them. That's a loss Mahomes loss. Tennessee is going to be a borderline playoff team. That's a loss. They'll beat Jacksonville lose to the chargers. Denver late in the year it snowing sideways, but I'll give him a w there. I have him sweep in the Denver Broncos. I don't think they have better players necessarily. But I'll give you a sweep over Denver. And I know what you're all saying, Colin, you don't have a clue that six win six and ten at has a Matt. Six and a half. I'm not that far off. That's what the season looks like they're going to be noisy. They're going to be fun. They're built for hard knocks. But this story today is another reason I can't buy the raiders. It's just a mess. They they got they got you. Just don't want to be loud. There this year. The Steelers got loud. They got noisy underachieved Green Bay this year. Mccarthy Rogers, they got noisy. Here's who didn't make any noise. I didn't hear much at Indy. Made the playoffs. New England won the team Rams didn't hear anything didn't hear much the chargers. You know? I'm hearing a ton from the raiders I'm hearing a lot from Cleveland knows is not good in this league. Seattle was good. And then they got noisy and last year. You know, what Seattle got quiet in Seattle got better. You this league is not about making noise. NBA is a soap opera. It's it's I think the NBA playoffs and the soap operas better than the regular season. I don't mind a little noise in the NBA. I I never have. Because I think the great players like. Kyri and Durant. What did I say going into the NBA playoffs? I said, listen kyri a lot of noise. Kevin durant? A lot of noise stars shut it down in the playoffs. Historically in the NBA. I'm not bothered. Lebron would make noise in the regular season. Durant Kyrie they're all fine NFL noises losses, and Cleveland's Megan a lot of noise and Oakland. Megan a lot of noise and last year. The quiet teams were even though they had stars the Rams required. The patriots were quiet Seattle. Got quiet. Philadelphia. Had a lot of stars. Pretty quiet. Man, what a mess. They sent a scout homes. That'd be like having a movie, sending your cinematographer, your producer and your camera guys home right before the movie starts. I apparently way it makes it sound or not I'm going to be around for the draft. Or are they going to be in the war room? They don't know who to trust me short. A catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern, nine AM Pacific. I don't know how I would have handled this situation. But I am blown away by how Josh Rosen is handling it. Imagine getting job. And then. The organization doesn't really know what it's doing to have a head coach they fire him to have an offensive coordinator. They fire him. You're saddled with all that nonsense. They they do a hype video yesterday the Arizona Cardinals. Don't put Josh Rosen in it. We hammered them for it. They were listening. I have had that verified and an hour later. They changed the hype video to put Josh Rosen in it. Josh Rosen is deal crap for a year in Arizona, nothing but garbage getting the fourth-best roster and their division one of the bottom five rousers in the NFL. They can't get the head coach, right? The can't get the coordinators, right? And now there's been this eight week love fest with Cuyler Murray the five, you know, nine quarterback five ten quarterback at Oklahoma. And the whole time Josh Rosen hadn't said a word. Well yesterday was quoted he came out he was talking about with some friends, they followed them around. And I think the kid is really handling it like a pro. They definitely understand the situation, and it's annoying. But like it is what it is football's a business, and I I definitely respect the higher ups and their decisions. I think the season probably went as poorly possibly go. But within that had an unbelievable time we want three games and each one of those wins for to me on the bowl. I gotta tell you poise. Under noise is a big thing for me. I like Josh Rosen, more and more. I like him more and more. I think of marriage zone. I keep him. I take Nick Bosa. I get the best the best football player in the draft. The two best football players in the draft. Our Quinton Williams from Alabama and Nick Bosa at Ohio State. Those are the two best football players. All my all my scouts are like those are the two best players Nick Bosa manned up going to if if eras ONA goes with quarterback today. I'm about getting better. I draft I draft Nick Bosa for ten years. I have an elite pass rusher. The pass rusher outside of the. Back about the most important position in football. Get a quarterback get a guy who can get their quarterback. But I'm Josh Rosen handle this way better than I would if you brought me to foxsports and within a year they were talking about replacing me, and I'm supposed to sit there for twelve weeks and not say a word. I'm not sure how I'd handle it. And I'm on my fifties. This kit in his early twenties. So I'm on team Rosen. Now, I understand the concerns about his health. That's always been my number one issue. He was a little brittle. Arizona excuse me at UCLA and AirAsia got a battle line at worries me that worries me if I was Zona, and I could trade down and get offense of Lyman. I would. But they got the number one pick. Go get the best player available at that spot. Get Nick Bosa. I think the kids handling it way better than I would have not a peep. I mean yesterday to release a hype video they don't put him in it. They have fifteen quarterbacks get pictured. He's not one of them. Is it looked maybe like they don't know what they're doing Zona. Sometimes coach can't get it right coordinator. Couldn't get it. Right. Hype? Video can't get it. Right. Fourth-best roster and innovation can't get it. Right. Rosen. I I'm starting to think he deserves a better organization. All right. Let me shift to this. I have a rule in life. New information equals new opinion. I know what some of you say, Colin he is a flip flop or well. No, I get new information. I changed my opinion. I mean if Tom Brady went down broke his leg. Tomorrow have a new opinion on New England. That's the way stockbrokers were pilots were smart people in America change their opinion all the time 'cause they get new information. Okay. Dumb guys. Hey, I said there's nine years ago. This is how I think there's new information. I don't care. I'm a man of my word. You're dumb man of your word, change your opinion. All the time. If you get new information, so the schedules came out this week. I don't think a hard schedule takes a great team and make some bad. I don't think an easy schedule takes an average team and make some great but can the schedule change your season. Yeah. It can be a game or two. Absolutely. You're a young Team New head coach you have a brutal opening month. You start one in three instead of three in one because the schedule brutal you're on the road you're facing elite teams quarterbacks. So the Chicago Bears are picked by everybody to win their division. I looked at their schedule. And this does not look. Like with Mitch Trubisky a schedule that's going to win the division. First of all our second week there at Denver Denver doesn't lose at home. In denver. They haven't for years one of the toughest places to play in early September. They have a three game brutal stretch middle of a season where they face saints chargers and Philadelphia that is tough. And that's off the London games. They come back to the states. And they gotta go breeze. Philip rivers Carson Wentz. Then at the end of the season. It's brew last month. They face the Cowboys at Aaron Rodgers Patrick Mahomes and at Minnesota, oh, by the way squeezed in between those two at the Rams on the west coast Vegas only has their over under at nine and a half. And they went twelve and four last year. So Vegas is pulling back big time on Chicago. So aman. So am I I look at this schedule. I'm with Vegas on this. They lost their defensive coordinator Vic Fangio's in Denver. Now, they face him week to he knows that personnel. They lost a starting safety. I'm with Vegas on this. I think there around nine win team from. When team a pullback team last year, by the way, I called the Vikings went thirteen wins. I call them a pullback team. I call Jacksonville pullback team. They pulled back. I think the bears pullback there in the nine seven category. Also, great defense is by the way. If you have a great quarterback your offense is usually good like the saints and like New England for ten ten straight years defenses are different the Vikings. Jags had great defenses the next year. They didn't the two thousand sixteen giants were eleven and five of the great defense next year. There were three and thirteen defenses ebb and flow, and let me go to another team where I think their schedule is Ben a fischel Green Bay. So Green Bay's in the same division. Most people see them as number two in the division. I think they win the division this year. And here's why look at Green Bay schedule. They get Denver early in Green Bay. They get tough Philadelphia early in Green Bay they end the year when it's lousy outside. They have the best quarterback against Minnesota in Detroit. And they're both indoor games in December. At the big vantage. I get Aaron Rodgers indoor last two games of the year and bad climates. Those could be nightmares of it blowing sideways in detail. Hoyt Minnesota, and you played outdoors. Also in their toughest part of the schedule the middle of it. They have an at Kansas City at chargers. Carolina by San Francisco will the chargers game is going to be a seventy thirty Packer crowd at the chargers stadium. That's a home game. And then they get a by before they have to go out west. So that alleviates a lot of problems with that when I green based five of their first seven games or at home with the new coach Vegas has them at over under nine and a half Algo over with Green Bay at ten. So I think the bear schedule Vegas has nine and a half. I'll go nine and I think Green Bay schedule Vegas has them nine and a half. I think they go ten I think that's schedule takes away game from the bears and adds a game a win to the Packers. So I don't I don't think a schedule is going to take a crappy team, you're not gonna take you know, Tampa Bay and make them New England. And you're not gonna take New England if they had a hard schedule and make them Arizona, but I think it can affect you. I think the bears are a little less of a team today because of that schedule, and I think the Packers are a little more of a team due to their schedule. Greetings, this is your man big von from the garage. The rest of my cats is not here. So I'm here to talk bad about them. Yeah. I got foul friends, and we talk about some things, and we're going to get protests and on. So what you need to do is check out the podcast before we get pulled off the internet. You know, heart is get pulled off the internet. We're trying to make the news. 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"In the meantime show featuring money the only NFL podcast. We're one of the things tailback is when your tail curls second in defense so let's start there let me ask you which of those strikes you as more sustainable let's say offense just because I believe in college Shanahan and he's been crafty good offenses with usually mediocre towns before you got to Atlanta so I see that continuing twitter threads where it's people with offensive names or names that have become newly offensive problematic and they're all sympathizing with each other NFL offenses and offensive approaches. How those approaches are still evolving? We'll get we'll get to the rams and I think it's really interesting to look at the Rams v well the niners showed up and they showed me up told us all to put some respect on their name and that's why we're GonNa talk about in this week I've been waiting for the right moment the one meshing the aforementioned chiefs and to do so I am joined today by a new guests of the show Stephen Rees USA Today later in some of their struggles and then I also said in the NFL you know it was undecided the cowboys the eagles the saints maybe the packers and this is it because they've got an a really big game probably one of the most anticipated games of the season so far against the rams we're GONNA talk about a couple other big games to clear the decks for the first half of this show because I think these two teams are extremely interesting schematically in terms of what they represent about it really enjoy it when that happens but we're good you're good you're it's a common name you should find it you can you'll it'll be obvious which Stephen Rees on twitter he is because is in yet again everything we thought we know has been proven wrong last week I said there was a clear top tier in the AFC chiefs in the past. I still feel that way although we're GonNa talk about the chiefs appetizers these stephen another Stephen Rees is that why you did that there is a couple of them that make sense a lot of NFL takes a lot of great nfl stories does a lot of great stories on trends in the league and seeing really excited to talk about this niners rams game and I just want to get in then of your work steam you guys should check check it out your twitter handle is your name right and Steven reason I think there's a the in front of it the Stephen Rees but this defense is for real. I was skeptical before I really started studying them I started studying last week and I don't want to compare them to the Legion of boom vs what we've seen from the niners gotta start with San Francisco de la rankings just came out their first overall fourth in offense a pleasure to be here to talking to one of the best and analysts out there I'm talking of course about Lenny but it's it's nice to talk to you too big fan room just because that's like hollowed ground for me I'd I'd love the leading but it's the fastest and most aggressive defense I've seen since that defense become a named there's only one other media in the entire world and it's a twentysomethings Swedish girl who I feel sorry for because every hells angels and he like got chart murder I like topped him Hugo like two years ago and it was a very big moment that's not senior it's so common that's not like when your name is you know Dirk skier was not funny no laughing matter but some people have really I always liked those account handshake gate which I can't believe I didn't spend the first twenty minutes of the show talking about that because it has completely derailed my day every ten seconds a new video has dropped of the wow well first of all you mentioned legion of boom I would be remiss to not mention Richard Sherman turmoil air just engulfed in turmoil right now then she gets tagged and stuff and I just don't drag her into this by with Stephen as you there's so many that you can't really bring shame to the name there is one that was like a member stories about the and shake I think pretty clearly one thing though Stephen that he was telling the truth about is that the rest of the secondary better than I expected like Richard Sherman has seahawks fans are well aware humorous history of pumping up other unknown quarterbacks famously thorough time in Seattle every year you say well this rookie quarterback is amazing you guys haven't seen him in practice he's brilliant and then he sucks but in this case he was talking up Schuermann his hundred in the wrong year I love as a player he's what am I think he's a hall of Famer but he was not and Nick Bosa to me was basically a slam dunk draft pick right there was no he was maybe one of the Williams struck me as the highest floor great pass rush makes your secondary's life a lot easier thank you to the thirty men who explain that to me and my mentioned last night when I praise secondary I wouldn't have known otherwise but Bruder film as I'm calling it and I am I know I know I had to see it as soon as it left my lips I regretted it but I love but Baker was holding onto the ball he was taking a couple of extra hitches who's patting the ball like that's the secondary holding up and giving the pass rush time to get home with us means backup Emmanuel Moseley and going into this going into the season just let's start saying the defense for a while I thought this would be good yes that was just good football playing and I think I it's interesting because one of the stories because this is what we're seeing right now is the fruition of a multi year plan that's been very focused on the defensive line and it kind of feels like the plan is coming together right and I'm gonNA eat some crew here I was in your trash I'll just say it aside from Sherman they decidedly did not look like trash last night right and then even with Sherman there's always concerned because he's older and he's had injuries and I am a big fan and I like everyone in America was extremely dazzled by what they did last night I think oh Bj off the top of my head was it oh Bj I'm trying to think yeah I think it was no it was Dimitrios Harris anyways learned the NFL back into that take I feel pretty comfortable saying that you're like talking rookie the Manual Moseley and he made that one play in the end zone that was like a Richard Sherman type of play like Richard Sherman and his prime and then even to quickey tarred he was making critical of the forty niners for what they did like signing the pass rushers drafting pass rusher of early not really I guess they were neglecting their secondary my mind apparently they weren't we talked about going into the season was I don't know if you caught that. PF piece on pass rush versus coverage it would seem that the niners secondary was doing stuff in the red zone that was that was just them right like that one pass breakup Muesli had where he anticipated Baker was going to attempt to tight window throw I think it was too they'll have stugatz wear something ridiculous that when they clip it it looks ridiculous I need to start giving my best takes a stupid voice but yeah yeah I think people tend to misrepresent the analytically inclined approach towards running which is more makes these giant holds I don't have a problem with his approach I think he does run maybe a little too much but when you design a run game like him to go for it yeah the tar right is another one who jumped out smelling like he made a bunch of place I think look obviously having advantages in the box get extra blockers they get space like Shanahan is so good at this he's like a mad scientists pulling every string correctly and he just Jimmy d and then they were just all bad like I just forgot how to play football but then you remember this off season and the safeties remember this off season now they're pretty good so that don't run when it's not optimal to run or when you're bad at running or when you're playing a really good run defense right we'll get to the later but last night I look at this matchup against a rams defense that's been actually better than the pause quietly but historically has not been great against the run and you know let me ask you if you're the rams defense what do you do to stop this Shanahan outside zone driven and let me hit you with another kind of would now nerds question so far this season the niners have run it seventy four percent of the time they have been up a lot in a lot of these games which has led to more running but I have seen stats where it says like based on situations or running emplaced on the line of scrimmage I'm really impressed by the secondary cause a secondary was kind of hype going into last year because some of the guys like made some plays in that first year ah digs or a green and a trade potentially but as far as how to counter them because they haven't destroyed teams as much as they have the original question about whether the offense defense is is for real I think I'm with you on I think cal Shannon is the best play call I bet they'll like it turns out to be wrong that's why I need to start doing that for all of my takes like how lebatardshow whenever they're talking about a serious it's kind of been hurt early on in the season Jimmy War that was his first game last night and then a killer wheeler soon he he was playing well the first couple of games and you have this undrafted when all in on building the pass rush through free agency and the draft answer teach their approach has worked out I think it's funny with Jimmy Garoppolo go door bed whose fine I still think that pass catcher group is lacking I wouldn't be surprised if that they're one of the teams that might be looking at I don't think Shanahan does that which is why he's not at odds I think with some of these tenants largely I look at this offense and the have the same strengths and weaknesses sometimes they miss those they shouldn't make are they should a myth and then sometimes they make decisions but then they'd like every drive longer track record and I think he's succeeded with multiple styles of quarterbacks so I could see him making things a little easier on on Garoppolo less than expected so I think you do have a point there but I mean when you can run like they can I don't think typical run game they get it talk on this podcast do and there's certain there's a lot of benefits to that on defense in terms of bring table so when I say the approach we've seen every single defense including Seattle last week play the rams offense in the exact same way to take out downsizing we've talked about it yeah and we'll talk about Baker and some of his struggle to some of the offensive struggles later we'll talk about the seahawks and the browns but I kind of go back to your mm-hmm so yeah everyone was wrong about the run game running backs matter you guys are wrong right do you want me to give you the nerd response I didn't realize how good these guys were and like you said that wasn't all the passwords and other pass rush made a lot of plays but that's just what you see on television from the broadcast tangled take the same approach and force Jimmy d beat you I was thinking this last night I was like if I had a choice between Gossiping Garoppolo I had no idea as well it would take I feel like kind of Rappalo did show that his first year that's when people were comparing him to Tom Brady yeah so when you do that approach what ah basically sort of rehashes for the ten thousand I'm a when you have six defenders online scrimmage you're no longer getting those easy w something they've done all season so so far this year I asked sets Walter to pull it up for me okay so prior to last this last game I don't I think now I'm GonNa go with it I'm going to go with this I think Shanahan is better at mcvay and the only reason I say that is because he has a unique opponent obviously they play way more bass than the rest of the NFL which when when you're going with twelve the draft but and obviously they win all in on the D. Line trading for four they've been going in there with draft picks while always loved deforest buckner but I thought the second not sure if that's the approach if that this twelfth thing was a blip or if it's the best approach to take against San Francisco Yeah I think that's a big question going into this game talent is in the running back group it's kill offensive line looks really good last night I actually didn't come away from Los ice game thinking golf is like a natural quick game three step you know take the snap read the defense really quickly and get the ball out on time accurately I think you said the rams had used personnel five percent of the time against the seahawks they used it thirty six percent of the time which is odd be I'll give you the Combo response because I think I was being sarcastic I don't think that any of this is incoherent but I'd like to hear what you have to say offense do you perhaps do what teams have been doing to you I think that question is kind of hard to answer now that use check is out against Seattle which he has not been hitting this season but his life is a lot harder than it was last year for sure you know the I think James Zooey used to but on the plus side you are opening up certain parts of the field do you think that would work against San Francisco no at the same approach like don't let this running visits running game is so dangerous do you think that this kind of transition time at the rams offense a little bit and what they might well it was kind of not just because I'm a fancy on her but it was like no that's your best way wide receiver one at this point to me you just described you leave some space between the numbers and the Hash Open so you can hit some outbreaking routes and curls and actually saw dared actually hit some of those in this last game he's not getting easy throws over the middle I don't think they're really getting that that benefit of play action when you get the linebackers the to come up because teams are really only playing one linebacker now Lee more everything we'd find why are they getting away from what made them great last year can you explain why that's not the case unless you think it's the case an adjustment McVeigh had to make and we're GONNA see how much how much that works going forward I I think every gonNA continue to play but you still have to get Cooper Cup on the field I think he's been the like that's GonNa put a damper on their run game kind of bums me out of the fan just wanting to see this run game continue to go at these good teams but yeah I think you have to load the boss I think you have to it can hurt you when you're running the Bob if you're passing you got a tight end like Gerald Everett and is a really good pass catcher you can get him isolated on linebackers and such because the actually I think they rank let's see fifth in seven seven rushing devi away girlies by it's pretty dramatic Cooper Cup is their best zone breaker he's been that for a while so watching him run off like on and off the field against Seattle needs to put him on the field and run situations I think last year the percentage was like ninety percent pass when it was out there and that was like a big key for the Patriots win every was out there they played running over that left side where you had whitworth you had saphal now you know you saw Woodward's but he's he's not playing at the level he did last year and then and dropping the safety into the box so it's getting harder for him I still think mcvay needs to adjust I think he needs to make things easier on golf it's just hard for him because I don't think that's right here on one hundred percent especially as teams have been playing them with significantly more zone which jared Goff is worse against statistically I don't think it's the case I I don't think they need to run more I think they need to continue to do these these counters to their old runs those those wide zones the weakside zones they're not able to think I think they've done a good job scheme to offense but he's still kind of made it hard on on golf he's still had to make make some really tough throws what about how they've been running more more toss plays as well what we saw in the last game seem was a a really new approach not apple has been the biggest loss of the offseason for them I think he hasn't been doing really well in Tennessee but he was the key to that running game in my mind it's still on play action you have to succeed on early downs for that to work right and then otherwise in third down you've got jared goff becoming a dropback passer and I think Liam massive massive increase in something to Seattle as well actually in this game interestingly enough but I it seemed to work I don't know if they're going to stick with it because the the rams offense was so outrageously efficient running on early downs last year which obviously runs counter to like everything you know and I wanna ask you though like you've looked at the rams offense we've talked a lot about why it struggled and I think it's been it's been a little bit confusing eleven for They played nickel against twelve personnel when he was the one out there they were playing defense so I think that is a big thing for the rams offense that's you said okay we'll even if they've got these guys adjusting on the interior at least Woodworth came back on the outside but you're right they have struggled across the offense I don't think there's a quick fix that's I'm kinda down the rams so far I don't know it does get better I like I they're being forced to and I think part of their success last year was just having later boxes I'd only later boxes you're drawing nickel defenses and then you have he was the one getting to the second level and in blocking those linebackers in creating lanes for Todd Gurley you're just not getting those anymore his replacement I think it's Joseph him but I I just don't think they had often to wind to use that same approach yeah we citing to see any of the offensive line starters particular have been fine so I'm not particularly worried about them I just think I guess you know going into this game against San Francisco's name I agree with you like the US does playing a Lotta base defense I do think Everett has a larger role in the offense now I think he's been better at blocking and McVeigh's been more willing still think they're really talented team rightly especially on defense I think right now ninth versus versus a pass boom who sounds like the Harry Potter character he has just been with him when he's getting to the second level I don't think he's athletic enough to to make those blocks I need to watch more uh like robot killing machine sent from outer space on first down anymore and it's thrown everything off and I think part of that is something you already mentioned they're playing more twelve personnel offers like Robert Woods and supercup those guys are basically like tight ends who can just run like wide receivers so that gave them a blocking advantage and gave him more space it allowed the just get one of these designs down the sideline and then you're right back in to like yeah I'm sold I'm back I'm back on board I don't know who I don't even know who's the better quarterback so yeah I would but the reason why I think everything's been thrown off even though girlies still running fairly efficiency when he play when he's in there is you to do more things in the run game I think there's a lot of issues here I don't think it's as simple as oh they're not running the ball enough like there's so much at work here really the simplest explanation for the decline inefficient and by the way I thought Jared Goff played a lot better last week than he has but they're just not a you know in preseason no boom and Allen had redshirt ears last year basically right there were two thousand eighteen draft picks I thought that that might be like a issue who at the beginning of the season but I didn't think the tackles would struggle as much as they have at times they're actually slightly better in this last game but here's the in particular but NBA's when he does run are not terrible so I think some people there's a sort of narrative well if only got back to their identity in ran I know to leave looked really he had down game against Seattle but prior to last game I actually think the defense industry north teams I would put Green Bay I it lines vikings it's hard for me and I dare to I think those those three are just all there line in I I would note that we're using struggling somewhat of a relative term I degrading is like one of the worst offense of lies in the NFL Kinda blow out bad teams and and they win games when they turn the ball over five times they did against the steelers so and I like the Seahawks to those teams at the top I mean down the rams hmm overall is someone more efficient they rank nineteenth in yards per plan I down and this offense because it was so historically predicated on I'm thinking the West would you take the West over north well okay so let's do this head to head Green Bay would you go how would you rank the they're not far behind the packers but I really liked the forty niners like maybe I'm too high on the forty niners they haven't really played anyone yet but this is what good teams do the it really looks a little bit like it did last year where they're still not able to get enough of an outside pass rush around Donald who still like a monster but I still think they're a playoff team fringe playoff team the only reason they wouldn't make it is because of the way so good and I just love cliff have so I mean I know that run those anymore they don't have the offensive line run anymore even if you give girly the carries I think he's efficiency will go down especially if you're giving them the same carries you gave him last year we're just not good but I still love well okay D- just to go to this game really quickly then I mean with your head that's lenny he one of those actually some breeds do some breeds don't a week five is in the books we're closing on the one third mark of the battle for Seattle I guess is ahead of Los Angeles now in terms of NFC west Broadway NFC west best now I guess NFC North is the best division football we like everything we call for the last year ranked first in yards per play on first down they ran a ton this year even though the the rushing we talked a little bit about some of the wrinkles that McVeigh has rolled out and sort of the potentially what this defense could should maybe we'll try to do to counter this rams rushing attack do you feel like the niners just based on what you've seen so far are significantly better team yeah I think there are more thankfully now there's upstart dot com the revolutionary lending platform that knows you're more than just your credit score and offer smarter interest rates to help you pay off high interest 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to that end as well but I do I think from a talent perspective the gap is not that big has the skills he's obviously not an Improv improvisational quarterback right whether he has the skill set to play in those different food teams are leaning on a very specific print to play Los Angeles but I do think McVeigh's come up with some interesting counters I realized that there's still more to be done a US you're more than just your credit score they believe in you and they understand that they make it fast simple and easy to check your rate in just a few minutes the best part once the loan is going to be the what they're facing going forward those are the throws he's GonNa continue continue to have to make but it's going to be a great game and we're GonNa talk about Seattle succeed I think as a rams fan you should be somewhat heartened by what you saw out of him against Seattle he made some of the best throws I've seen from him in a really long time and he I think husbands was in the gun more it's so he's shown inability to adjust to a talent. I think he'll do that eventually. I'm just not competent it's going to happen in time for that Dan and in the playoffs they on defense again they held Tom Brady thirteen points but the forty they just they're just so much more talented burden of high interest credit card debt but consolidating everything into one monthly payment with upstart see why upstart is ranked number one in their category with over three hundred businesses on trust pilot and hurried them to win enough games to you know get a good spot in the playoffs and then make a run in the playoffs yeah that's fair I think also like there's this questions about whether or not Jared Goff I know I actually I think you know they almost won the you can see obviously eater worlds but deforest buckner is really good like he's one of the most underrated defensive players in the League and I think he's really the key to that pass rush 'cause they use them in very interesting any question lenny for your thoughts as always guys if you leave a review five star review in itunes please remember and those were the throws that I mentioned earlier teams played at six by one and drive down the safety you talked about it he was hitting those throws that are there when you do that and if that's start dot com slash Mina to find out how low your upstart rate is checking your rate only takes a few minutes and won't affect your credit that's upstart dot com slash Meena question they're younger on defense especially in the secondary I I think the faster they have a better pass rusher more balanced bashers I know Aaron Aaron Donald in football fan talk me off the ledge what do I have to look forward to I have no idea how to answer that question. He's not Dan Snyder Dan Snyder as long track record of never having good teams and meddling too much so I'm picking the dolphins plus you live in Miami otherwise if he's really not the guy you know what I mean it's what they had was the absolute worse possible combination before T- storm asks that's true that's true yeah I think it's GonNa be really interesting to see what sort of head coach they go for and I think the just first and foremost yes the counter is an owner who met I mean probably the less voices the better so yeah it's probably good right I mean some owners are fine has to be either someone who believes in Haskins or someone who they want to just move in a very deliberate direction you know over the last well really over this last free agency sort of became a different team in terms of their willingness to go after a comparable to what Cleveland daughter they didn't have the same element of deliberateness but they did go through several losing seasons to get to what we've seen in the packers saved Wayne Haskins but he's not ready apparently what would you rather be a redskins fan or a dolphins fan if the packers ownership structure is a liability or an advantage terms of putting together a football team well with the packers correze all the reviews and question will answer it first question is from this is funny so I'm a little bit behind Stephen Football writers favorite football player. Ucla Kinda Kinda mix but you're right that's how you prove you watch tape you're like yeah I know who divorced yeah I thought about this question today and Dolphins Fan one hundred percent they have a plan at least at least they have a plan and I know even rather than the best reputation If the bills should build an indoor stadium to attract talent yeah I'm not don't do anything but if you've got an owner who is intervening and drafts it's probably not good chick chunk great name asks to talk they kind of use them like the eagles US Fletcher Cox where they put them right on the center and that makes the offense and line like have to pick a side and then they put d. Ford and nick both on the same side ask what is one moment in your life you'd like to relive what's probably the tip probably the happiest moment my life one moment I'd like to I'm still in the summer on the questions 'cause I've gotten a lot of them this is from F J I I don't know if that's like pronounced like Fjord fios I am awash I'm with you I'm going to take the I think the rams coaches are still very good I understand what we've said about mcvay and they're obviously I liked that they're coming up with new stuff in some ways honestly it goes for old school football people that goes for that goes friendly people I think reagents we've seen it pay off in a big way so I guess it just depends on what executive is running the team unless on ownership I think like the proof is in their success I would one hundred percent rather play in a stadium like that I like how Games look on TV when they're in a dumb I know that's not a popular but I I like how they using I'm GonNa go I'M GONNA go back to two thousand fifteen when they beat the seahawks and Seattle that might have been my top moment as a fantasy true I think everyone does honestly like there's very few people watch football or take it in without wanting their priors confirmed a couple indoor stadiums I like the Texas stadium it's one of my favorite stadium I was just there it's just I'm always haunted by the super bowl like one of those like I love football outside number people like no way I the Vikings new stadium is great. It's so comfortable in there if I was afraid live that I never got to relive was lenny's birth as I didn't get lenny until he was three so I often wonder what he was like as a puppy what about you pass against the browns Buckner I- deforest Buckner is becoming one of those football nerds like Newbie talks about deforest buckner play like you know like like your mentioned team about that last night because we were talking about team building and the browns and the process which is funny because the niners winced basically went through granted it wasn't Catholic the light reflects off the helmets I like it just looks better to me it looks I don't know just gives more pomp and circumstance I mean we're bowl there go there and I think the last one but yeah they're more comfortable like let's let's be real blowhole in one three two I I'm a panthers fan and you're going to be happy with the I am I it's not obvious based on my twitter try to really isn't that's into what something from football respect to that you've changed your mind about well we talked about how we both thought the niners second yeah right yeah see see how cool they look like optimized here into the Vikings Stadium I have not I've been to uh willingness to admit that you're wrong or that something's not supported by the numbers is really important I don't think anyone wants to just be wrong who is necessarily what we're GonNa get especially in a home game book let's start actually with the browns before we get to the seahawks I mean he wasn't GonNa be good and they've been good I guess as an example of something a lot I'd say pain quarterbacks I used to be strictly like don't like people analytics people look to have their biases confirms such as running backs Joe Matter Yeah I actually think yeah I'll say throughout their history I I feel like the the model has served them well and making restitutions like the skins did the redskins by two years the time that I'm putting out there but no yeah that's what it is I think it's just the willingness to to be wrong the defensive positions you know so I'm not worried about wilkes kitchen so you don't think that's the problem in pay any quarterbacks like I'd like same way when the seahawks like I know you're not gonNa feel this way but when the Russell Wilson I was like maybe they shouldn't sign them anywhere that strikes me as one of those Straw men but I do think people looked I would put myself in this group at the talent on paper and thought they would be a lot better they should trade him for three I one of those I was one of the original I was saying is were you like there's this kind of nerve that's taken hold that everyone had put the browns I don't think I saw that literally but Baker has made it look worse he just he just isn't the same quarterback and what's weird to me is I had like reservations about Baker coming out because I thought he was are you on the Rustler. MVP okay well that's a good transition to my beloved seahawks who are playing the browns I I still think this is a good game offs version fifty three point eight percent of the time and his passer rating under pressure was zero so there's that name the shyness come off a little bit but the browns are so erotic I don't think what we saw against San Francisco here in the seahawks once every year and like in the play so that game that was the first time they won that's why it was like a historic moment and then they went fifteen one skeptical about the coaching staff and I honestly think has been too big of an issue I don't know if that really because I said under my breath when I watched them I think it's pretty fifty fifty I mean Greg Robinson like I probably would have been comparable to him that this is the niners game I actually the thing about the line though you're right the first line wasn't the I I admit I haven't watched the team since week three I watched the forty niners game but I'm like not like studying what they're doing on offense when I watched those first three weeks they had open guys in quite frankly I think they're not living up to their talent in any way yeah I think like Bob it was true like people wanted to be so not on the hype train that they were like you know the browser the line has not been as bad as people thought but they've not been good and then last night I thought they were terrible right so absolutely put a third on the quarterback through on the offensive line a third on the coaching honestly Baker was under pressure this is for now and you just said I don't think that's two issue so let's start there on defense so I actually just to kind of I seen them I think they're expecting the whole often honestly interesting I mean I suggest sand Brown's offense for a second here I think nip this I don't think the defensive problems team I don't really even know Matt Brita average approximately forty five yards per carry against them I'm not really worried League Mayfield deserves a ton of the blame he's missing throws he is obviously is footwork is all over the place he's just not great in the pocket I thought he he could throw the ball well but I thought he had issues in the pocket where against pressure he his feet would this work would get erotic and then although every play yeah they had Beckham getting open deep. I don't think becky has been a problem either I think often wine is bad and they say that right away it's one of those things where everything is bad right like I'm not I don't know how many like what percentage of the Pie to put on everyone I would probably not standing on the pocket at all not top person but I don't I don't think you can really put I know to go the path rushworth coverage debate I know the thing is to blame quarterbacks for pressure but say that in my best old school football voice but I Austin pressure and how it affects him as a quarterback I don't feel like Freddie Kitchens has come up with solutions to that yeah I I think you're right especially in this last game I thought there was it's such I mean I've admitted though admitted and very much brush for MVP this year so I'm GonNa make up for it are you bowling wasn't bad guys do right guys were open it really it he's got an issue when he gets into the red zone I mean there was a point where the niners just kept stacking the box kitchens hasn't figured out how to make adjustments to not only you there's only so much you can do when Mayfield's just missing dros right but in terms of like the blocking Bosa in that game at one point year so there is a lot of like it feels like twenty I'd say like he's generating open opportunities they're just not hitting on them for whatever reason like even you had a couple last night where there was nine reveal that now I can't even think about that season besides that one year word it asks if we a year like none of those issues were there and I was like well I'm an idiot I must have just been seeing things and then and then I reverse my take on him and of course he reverts back to those issues that he had it Oklahoma they found behind like five hundred points and I think that's what they're going to try to do against Seattle by the way offense philosophy there's and he's the coach so yes the manage the whole team I don't think he's done a perfect job in any of those aspects I like his play calling though between the commitments made he just kept letting Baker just get pummeled like all game and then some other decisions he's made like letting del return that punt late like that means agency against the pass and the run but a defense that as we discussed earlier in terms of talking about the rams has not gone in the same director a seahawks defense that spin not great they haven't really played great offenses for the most part they're pretty even in terms of so yeah I if I had to put percentages on it I'd say I'd go higher on Baker I'd say like thirty five percents and then the line I'd say like thirty and the rest you can and he kept calling off tackle runs over and over I think we simplified like play calling too much like there's like situational play calling there's just like general why do why do they do that why did they don't use Odell in the red zone but use him to really ever by the way Arizona Alley that's not on a people were giving kitchens calloway came out of suspension he's playing on this law for the first time dude was wide open there's only so much a coach can do you want him to go out it's to return and punt in a three possession game that's when he he's full and then the draw on four th and nine like I from I think about that once a week you WANNA see consistent pressure off the edge if you can't get it against Cleveland like who you're going to get it against and then I wanna see the secondary tested by I know the Browns offense passing offense hasn't done well but they still have Odell Beckham Jarvis Landry back there so you're gonNA young secondary that's kind of hasn't eh and by the way like some of the plague again like putting in there was a guy at one point was at Dimitrius Harris is the tight end was 'cause I think they're perceived weaknesses Seattle's defense kind of lines up with the browns offensive weaknesses like yeah we questioned whether the during throw the ball like catch like that was a great played played his you don't get that space in the red zone without a plate uh-huh del open and he was I think he was on a deep out and Baker just miss them Adele I've got both hands on it maybe you should have caught it and then you had callaway deflection which was just some of the backups even have been really good that's really have a ton of DAB so they've kept him on the field now the seahawks defense has not been able to gin up too much of a pass rush even as the rest of the NFL now so far it's been working I don't really think it'll be a problem in this game do you actually I'm kind of interested to see how this goes be a eighty eight nine hundred seventeen they were saying like you said that one take early like oh

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Living Without Sports

"You want it you need it. It's what everyone's talking about the Kevin Sheehan show. Now here's Kevin you're listening to the sports fix yet Fix Thursday Tommy is on the phone. I'm here in studio. Aaron is at home. We are all practicing strong social distancing and mitigation and It appears you know if you believe. The experts at all this stuff is working to a certain degree. There were a couple of of Things Tommy in the news today actually late last night this from a Santa Clara County Executive he's a Doctor Medical Executive in Santa Clara County California. He said he doesn't expect any sports games until at least Thanksgiving. He said we'd be lucky to have them by Thanksgiving The La Times had that yesterday. Of course the niners play in Santa Clara California You know I I don't if he's asked about this or if he's just giving his expertise how does he know like this thing? Nobody know? Think about what four weeks ago was in. What four weeks later is? I don't know how anybody can really predict where this thing is going in terms of whether or not sports is going to be cancelled for the year or no football season. I just think it's way too premature for that stuff. Well I don't think he said it for for the press. I think from what I read in the story. It was mentioned in a meeting And he was probably his opinion was probably thought or he probably spoke up in a meeting and then somebody leaked it. But he's not he's not the only one I know you. You think that we're not having any sports this year right. Well I look I I agree with you. Nobody KNOWS ANYTHING. But let's think of what let's think of four weeks ago. Let's so far in our predictions most of the people in their predictions from when they started. Were we're way optimistic and I think you should have learned from that and operate under the premise that a proven otherwise he needs to be very conservative. 'cause optimistic was wrong in the beginning of this and So I think they saw learned in previous predictions. We should operate under the premise. That were expectations and be pleasantly surprised I if they're not that's the way I would operate but I do agree with you that nobody knows anything at this point yet. It's really hard To to predict that far out I mean we can barely predict what tomorrow will bring let alone. You know Eight months from now. You know the The models keep changing too. They become more optimistic here recently. You know you had that one model from the guy out in Washington the I. H. E. M. Moore whatever model that initially was the one that was projecting a minimum of between one hundred in two hundred thousand or two hundred forty thousand deaths. You know that now that were in lockdown mode will that's been reduced to sort of the sixty thousand Number by August amid still a lot of people. Don't get me wrong and it's very very sad. And but you know the these models keep changing too and You know we talked about this the other day. I ultimately a treatment a therapeutic medical treatment for this thing is going to be. What SORT OF GETS US. Back to relative normalcy. You know once people feel like you know if they get it. They're not going to die yet. Then then people than than we can get back to some level of normalcy in united watching a lot of stuff last night and reading a bunch of stuff late last night. This hydroxy chloroquine. This has become very much a political. You know medical football in so many ways in it's pathetic to watch you know it's pathetic to see in many ways the president touting it you know rather than having his medical people give you you know the real information and at the same time on the left it's disgusting to watch them completely down Downplay it as if it snake oil because the president's touting it you know it's both sides in the truth of the matter is if you read about it you know doctors right now because it's already. Fda APPROVED IT. It's been long ago. Fda approved for malaria. Doctors and patients have the ability to use it right now and it is working in some cases. You know the This guy at the end I forget. His name The doctor that appears they have many of them on Fox On the Fox News Network was on last night and he told the story about his father. Who's in his nineties and was basically on the verge of dying the other night and all the sudden he took these this hydroxy chloroquine with the antibiotic and within a few hours literally within a few hours he was upright and alive and better and then I understand. There's some danger. I you know associated with this drug as well I'm getting sidetracked here. My main point is whether it's this drug or another drug once. We get treatment once. There is a weight up to to prescribe meds that keep most people from dying if they contract this virus. It's GonNa be a whole new day in you know not just in this country but around the world and then we can start to get back to thinking about sports but until there is that in in. That's more important than a vaccine right now. Tommy Until you have that. I don't know practically how you do. Get back to large gathering of you know large gathering events. I don't know how you do that. I agree hundred percent. Basically people have to feel that their risk is not a fatal risk right by by by returning to normal. And you know it's interesting even with the flu. We've come to live with an acceptable risk. I mean most people. We know who get the flu. Don't die but people do die right. Who get the flu. You know so So we need to get to a level and this is far more frightening. And it's GonNa take a while for people to get over to mentality of this being so frightening So but you're right Until people feel back if they get this they can get treated and come out on the other end no I. Nobody's GonNa take that risk until that happens but most. Won't you mentioned the flu? I mean look I mean. Everybody has a different perspective. My view of the flu is okay. If I get it I get it. You know and then I'll get better. You know. Be Sick for a day or two and I'll get better. I mean I knock on wood as I say this. I can't remember getting the flu. I know I've had the flu. You know At some point but not in recent years and probably just gotten lucky. You know more more than anything. I probably just gotten lucky. But if if we can get this thing into that. Same you know Area of the way people think about it which is You know if I get the flu I get the flu. Stay home from work on medicate myself in. I'll fight through it and then I'll be you know well a few days later and if there are meds great and if there's a vaccine even better you know but I will tell you this. You know this about me. I've never gotten a flu shot before I'm going to start getting a flu. Shot right I I I agree with you. Here's what's going to one of the things. One of the many things that are gonNA change at least initially it may wear off after years is The impact of other people if you get sick the impact of other people. That's part of the Flu Vaccine Sale Right. Is You know. Don't get other people sick just because you can tolerate the flu. You know I mean don't get the go. Don't get the old Cashier at Safeway sick with the flu. Just because you can deal with it. I think people are going to start thinking in terms of their fellow man a little bit more when it comes to these kind of for awhile. Yeah I mean look. I've told the story with you before. About how you know I and I it's sort of been a badge of honor that I just. I don't really miss and I just never have as an adult. I've never really miss days for work. I mean there have been a couple of days here and there. I remember the last time I legitimately missed a day for being sick I had strep throat and a fever and you know and I didn't go in and I for somebody covered for me or maybe it was. It was when I was doing the show with you. I can't remember and some people used to give me a hard time. He's I talked about how you know. I was definitely the father and my wife was definitely the mother where our kids didn't stay home with the sniffles you know. If you had the sniffles you went to school. You know you're are going to have to go to work so you're going. You were going to school like you. Had TO BE. Legitimately sick is they. Are you know Dad mom? I've got a headache or I've I've got a cold. Get up and get to school. Well you know it's it's not. It's not that easy anymore. After going through something like this you really do and I probably should have been more concerned about the other kids or going to work in. Not Feeling Great. There have been so many days Tommy and all of us. I'm not this is not a martyr thing. Many of you have done the same thing so many days when I would have much preferred to have just said. Oh my God I do not feel well. I don't want to go to work but I went up in the I think sometimes to getting up and getting into a hot shower and moving your body and getting to work and having something important to focus on you sort of. Don't let it be you know. Get to the point where it's really debilitating but and a lot of do that and a lot of people don't have a choice you know they have to go to work But I think all of this is going to change some of that I do. I think people understand like wow germs really do pass that easily and you know if I'm really feeling sick kids. It's easy for me to give it to somebody else in. That's not very nice. And that's not very responsible and yeah a lot a lot of at least at least initially there will be that and maybe it'll west. Hopefully it'll let let me ask you questions answered disappear for the certainly in the short term. I think for I think forever pretty weird man you know. I think at hand I mean. Of course I love shaking hands. I mean to me it to me I. I'll be honest with you. I think it sometimes revealing of you know something about somebody the way they shake your hand the way they you know they look you in the eye with a firm grip on. That's the way I was taught and you know. And that's that that's what you're supposed to do and you know I think when somebody doesn't look in the eye when they shake your hand or they throw out a dead fish. Don't you sort of think differently about that person? Yeah unfortunately but And it's always interesting because I've told you this before that the the weakest handshake you get from boxing. I know because of their hands are so valuable. Yeah Yeah and plus because their hands are usually soar right from from from from working out. They don't get a they. Don't give out Dexter Manley handshakes that's for sure. Now they don't but I think I I'm moving forward. My equation is not to say Cam. Yeah I mean I'm walking around. You know twenty four hours a day seven days a week now with my bag and a rattle here and it's a bag full of you know baby wipes you know drenched in rubbing alcohol. This is what my wife has been doing in supplying for all of us and it's in a plastic bag and I use it like when I walk into the studio. I have it in my hand so that I use it on every door handle you know so. I don't touch any door handles and I come in and then I wipe everything down before I get started. I actually I I asked that. They don't have the person come in to pick up the trash at night but they've been doing it anyway. I've gotta get that message out. I can empty my own trash. I don't need them to come in and vacuum an empty the trash. I don't want anybody in this studio. I WANNA I WANNA be able to walk into the studio knowing that nobody's been here you know and get a lot of these things are going to change. I mean at least in the short term and then all the sudden there will be a vaccine for this and a treatment for this and no one will get sick for six months or seven months or a year. Whatever and then I think you know it could easily go back to the way it was but I think in the short to midterm. They're going to be a lot of changes. I mean we've talked about some of them. I mean look at all the businesses. They're going to be a lot of restaurants that never come back a lot of S.'s. That never never come back. You know which will change the landscape of of communities in many ways. You know. It's weird it. Yes yes it will. How life bit in the scene compounds? I'm getting accused of being You know not not really involved as much because I get home and I'm in my office or go to my room. I don't WANNA be around everybody you know. I mean now with my son's I've told you you know we've got seven people in the house. We have my wife me. My three boys and two of my sons had their girlfriends at our house one from La three weeks to two and a half weeks ago three weeks two and a half weeks ago three weeks ago. Now I I've LOST TRACK OF TIME. And then she she's Great. I mean I. I'm I'm thrilled. That she's here in many ways actually having them here means that it's been probably a a more a more chaos free household. Because I think the three boys in particular would have been at each other's throats if they if they didn't have you know but but yeah but I I don't WanNa be in. You know I mean we go out almost every day and I walked the dog and a lot of walked. You know. We play basketball in the backyard. We've been playing Horse Salat. I know we're going to get to that here But we've been playing a lot of basketball in the backyard throwing the football around a lot in the backyard. My boys and I You know we've had the grill going in. You know we've got a fire sort of a a you know a standalone firepit. So we've had a couple of nights where we live. We put a fire out. There had to grill going with steaks or Burgers or whatever and been playing basketball but like when I get home today. I don't Wanna I mean I got nothing to say I just I just did a radio show and I did a podcast. It's you know it's it's not digging ditches. I understand that but as you know you have a lot of preparation for the following day to get ready for a three hour radio show hosted by yourself as I've been doing for a while now and there's a lot a lot more preparation Involved in you know I don't I it's not like I had the rest of the house like they're in. You know the family rooms. Some of them are in the family room. Some of them are downstairs. Everybody's watching TV or taking the dog. For why I don't need to be involved. Every second of the day trying to entertain anybody. This is the big difference between a parent and set of parents with older kids and a set of parents who the younger kids. I mean there are a lot of young kids. They're neighbors across the street younger couple. They're in their early Thirties mid thirties and they've got four kids under the age of five you know. And I watched them and their outright and bikes and they're J- and they've got entertain them all day long. I mean that's exhausting exhausting for me. The only exhausting portion of my days talking to you good. But you see the lesson that we're supposed to be learning here is that it's not just about you and if people in your household feel that you're not being part of it. Yeah you've got to recognize that no but but not being a part of it is keeping myself healthy and I'm the one going out you know they. They've actually been very responsible. There have been a couple of trips to a supermarket here and there were a curbside restaurant pickup right and I you know but my my wife and I are still working. We're the ones that are. Actually you know potentially bringing the risk back in the home now. I'm not taking much of a risk. You know my situation here a mile from here. I get my car. I've got my my you know rubbing alcohol baby wipes in my hand. I don't see anybody here. I come into the studio I do. I do the radio show. I do the podcast and then I'm gone although I've been hanging out here a little bit longer here in recent days because better here than what is. Yeah but but you know my wife's like you know. Are you just going to be in the office all day or upstairs old and I'm like well? What what is it that you want me to do? I mean we clean. We do the work we're doing our. We're doing our own cleaning the house. You know we did have somebody that would come in and do clean the house. We're doing that now. You know. I definitely participate in all of that again. That's sort of the way I am anyway. You know I I hate. I hate dirty house. I work my wife and I are the same. Were one both sort of arose CD when it comes to or being organized and having everything clean but you know at am I supposed to entertain my boys a you know but but your boys are not asking the question your wife? Yeah okay? Have you played any games of scrabble? No we've not there's one blowdrying played. Well I I suggest maybe you mentioned your wife but foia game of scrabble. So we're all touching all the little scrabble pieces in Bach. That have been bought in a box or we have probably decade. We have a lot of You know there's a there's a closet somewhere I'm trying to remember where it is because I've seen them but we have board games in the house. You know monopolies in the House scrabble. I guarantee you is in the house. I think it would go a long way trivial pursuit at gesture If you brought that out and you suggested to her that you play? I think I think it serves a banking some goodwill. I think it would go a long way. I think it would buy you a week of isolation gets a really good idea. 'cause you know the answer's GonNa be Nan. Not Right now. That'll be the That's a great idea. Great Idea But we let's not do it now. Let's do it later all right. Let's do it later. We'll we'll do it later. Just was thinking about something we could do as a group We've been. They love that they love that stuff. We've been playing a lot of horse in the backyard or no no I'm from my boys. and You know not ready for our house. Your horse game You know that's that's one thing your boy can do a little bit. Your boy can shoot. Well I'm sure you said yes so I can create a lot of you know. My youngest son can really shoot too so he. It's usually like three of us so we'll be playing three. Haven't done a four game man horse game but it usually comes down to my youngest against me at the very end with the you know. I'll have like H. O. H. O. And he'll have like H and then we'll battle it out for a while and Hill you. He's prevailed more than I have. He's got he's got ridiculous range He yeah he can really. Yeah I mean that's the one thing he could always do. We shoot it to but Yeah so you read the story because you brought it up and I actually talked about it on the Radio. Show this morning that the That the NBA ESPN or planning to televise. A Horse Shooting Competition guys like Chris Paul and Trae. Young Zach Levine. Are All going to be involved. Wnba players are going to be involved. The players are GONNA film competing at their own home locations on indoor or outdoor courts. And they're going to tape it. I guess I don't know exactly how it's GonNa work. I can tell you this. I have zero interest in this zero like an NBA game. Same so that was your angle all along. This is why you wanted to talk about. Oh it's no different than an NBA game. Now it's not much different an NBA game. My question to you is that you think you could compete. Oh in a horse in a horse competition right now. No but but that's because I haven't been playing I up until like a year ago. I was still playing two to three days a week so I would have told you a year ago. Oh Yen a horse competition. Absolutely absolutely I. Can I be able to hang in there? I wouldn't beat. I wouldn't be best to the best but if I got some dude that couldn't shoot it. That was more of a defensive specialist you know and was a sixty three percents or fifty eight percent. Free throw shooter. I would just go to the line and crush him but no I. I don't have any interest in in watching this but I'll I'll tell you what it did bring up in why I brought it up on the show this morning. I am just old enough than you are old enough to remember at halftime of NBA Games on CBS. Pack in the Nineteen Seventies. The horse competition between two star players. In if you if you go to youtube you can find all of those. There's a Pete Muravich versus George Gervin. There's an a Kevin Greedy against Jo Jo White Bob mcelwee against Pete Muravich and that was like a big deal. I I remember Paul. Westphal was a really good horse player. I remember watching those things in always hoping that one of the bullets would you know would be involved in it and I think Elvin Hayes did it one year and then Kevin Greedy was a horse competitor but those are like five to six five minute edited segments for halftime. Nba Games. Do you remember that I absolutely I remember those. Yeah absolutely absolutely you know I mean what what everyone is in dire fear at least sports fans are of a world Post NFL draft. Because there's really nothing once the. Nfl draft comes and goes really talk about at that point. And I look. I think they'll be people that will watch NBA Horse. I won't because like I said it's too much like an NBA game. But could you create something similar with the NFL like having a having quarterback At their home fields where they're working out or at their wherever Do some kind of pass catching drill in competition with other quarterbacks from their site and broadcast it wouldn't be for me. I wouldn't watch it but people what people watch the Combine Evan. Yeah that's different though because you're looking at you know future stars in the NFL and you're trying to do your own evaluation in play GM and the whole thing and you know be the guy that knows the most draft Wayne Haskins. Is it up against drew. Brees in a best of a pen pass catching competition or or some kind of manufactured competition. You're not gonNA watch it. I wouldn't be. I'm telling you I wouldn't be interested at all. I mean I think one of the things. I think we talked about this the other day. One of the things that I think I've learned here. I would have guessed this anyway because I think I was sort of heading in that direction anyway but I don't need sports right now. I need it for my profession. Don't get me wrong. I'd much rather be talking about you. Know Games in. This is the time of the year we can really get into the caps in the NHL playoffs. And you know it's fun to talk about those games. You know The the morning after the day after but no I would much rather sit down and watch a movie or watch a show or watch the news or watch much rather than some bullshit. Is You know. Skills Competition Superstars. What the a segment of the population would watch it. I don't know I'm sure they would. I don't think it's I think at the. Nfl was smart thing. They would manufactors some kind of version of horse for themselves to broadcast after detract. Yeah I first of all horse is easier to do. I mean because this is what they do they shoot the ball at as you say they just shoot it. They're just shooting it but they shoot a ball into I mean now. You're talking about dwayne. Haskins trying to throw it through some big board with with a hole in it or something you know I don't I I don't think either one of them's going to generate much of an audience. Personally I would be. I'd be curious and I don't know the answer to this. How many people are watching these older games on TV? I did watch the thrill in Manila. The other night that was on I watched rounds. Eleven through fifteen what. What a great fight that was. What a spectacular fight. Yeah I watched the whole documentary about it Last week I've seen that's awesome. Yeah Yeah and you're right. You know let's You know what I'm watching right now. I take it and I'm in the middle of watching it game. Seven of the nineteen sixty eight world series between the tighter. And the cardinals. I mean watching Bob. Gifts and on the mound. It's just great. I mean you know it. It's just great to watch And you know the other night They showed the cal. Ripken suit thousand. One hundred thirty one record setting game and I think a lot of people watch wound up watching that includes cow who had just joined social media. Right that's that day And I only watch so. I'm a big Fan of watching old time games. So I've I've I've been painting and watching Games like that a lot of football live. You know a football life episode. I've been watching a lot of I watch the I I enjoy those. I told you I watched the Paul Brown one the other day and then the Al Davis One afterwards which was excellent as well but back back to the world series veep real quickly. 'cause I don't WanNa lose thought that's actually the one thing other than a couple of the fights that have been on. I've actually watched some. Mlb Network Old Games like last night They had on the ninety one world series game seven between Atlanta in Minnesota they also had the Atlanta Pittsburgh. I'm game seven from that year the year before A couple of days ago they had or maybe a week or so ago. They had the playoff game in seventy eight between the RED SOX and the Yankees the one the Bucky Dent And I actually really enjoyed that. I think one of the reasons for that By the way they had the seventy-nine world series between the pirates and the Orioles on The other night is well. I was watching some of that I find that I'll tell you why I think I find that interesting. First of all I remember a lot of that secondly I love baseball postseason. But that's for whatever reason not the stuff that I have watched on Youtube over the years. Most of the Youtube Games that I've watched have been football or basketball games primarily not baseball game so of these like. I'm seeing for the first time since I actually watch them. You know that we are Family Pittsburgh team in nineteen seventy nine where they played you know In the snow at at Memorial Stadium. I remember that series so well that was such an exciting world series In in seventy nine between the orioles in it's funny because I was never a big orioles fan but all my friends were so I got caught up in seventy nine and eighty three a little bit with the orioles halfway rooting for him. Even though they really wasn't passionate about the orioles but some of those games they had the the game one from the eighty eight world series the dodgers as the Kirk Gibson. Walk off on the other night But they also tell great stories. There's usually a cast. You know talking about which is great too so I mean back in sustain mate for a long time you know it really can But I think there's a segment of the population that Wants to see their their their current stars in any way I think there's a segment of the population that would watch through breeze at home under quarantine. Well that's different than watching him compete in two different locations in passing skills thing against Wayne Haskins. It's the same premise. Now you're know you're learning something about the person in his family and his situation. It's a reality thing. I I don't think I mean I just think there's people that there's a segment of the fan base Hunter Star or anything to do with these players and we'll watch them under any conditions as opposed to nothing to watch. Yeah I don't know I mean you know I I right now like if I don't get live sport right now. I'd like I'd much rather live sports and not have live sports for multiple reasons including giving us a lot more to talk about you. Know the day after but I don't know I've been listening to podcasts. I think I told you this 'cause you and I are huge office fans that Jenna Fischer and Angela. Kinsey do this office. Rewatch podcast tell you about this or not. I don't think it's actually really good now. I've been listening to it Here and there over the last month but over the last couple of weeks in particular. When I'll either listen to music I'll listen to that podcast. It's really good. The two of them basically do episode by episode. Tommy A rewatch podcasts. At in each of them were about an hour and twenty minutes hour and fifteen minutes in length and they give you the whole background of the episode and how it was shot and where it was shot and different things that happen and I actually think that you would like it And so I've been. I've been listening to that a little bit. I've been watching over the weekend. I think I told you the other day. You know that I watch nineteen seventeen. I really liked that. I tell you that or not and I haven't seen it yet. Really liked nineteen seventeen Really enjoyed the scheme. If I told you about that or not the other day maybe I didn't The SCHEME ON HBO. The documentary About Dawkins and the recent basketball scandal at my my God you'll I. You don't have to love college basketball to like this documentary was well done but the the biggest takeaways just how much the FBI chickened out. They could easily roasted shawn. Miller will wade and Rick Pitino and they didn't and instead they put this Guy Christian doctrines into prison for a year but And my next thing you know I'm going to catch up on Ozark. Everybody's loves season three so I'm going to get caught up on that but I don't need live sports right now other than professionally. I'm not missing. Nba regular season. I'm not missing Major League Baseball early in the year you know. I'm following the draft and NFL. Free Agency which I would be doing anyway because it still exists in the NHL Playoffs would have started last night I do enjoy that and I definitely enjoy the NBA playoffs. So and I and it sucks that we didn't have march madness but ultimately of course I'm pissed off that we didn't get to see Maryland and see tournament but I don't know the NFL would be the one the NFL would be devastating. You get me to September and there's no football to look forward to each week on Saturday and Sunday and that'll be a massive game changer. That'll be depressed. I but I tell you what I think. You'll have a smaller segment of the population. That would would be hit hard than if it was going on. Now I think by then people would have settled into a lifestyle. I everybody you might put. Some people would would have learned to live without a lot of things that they've they've they've lived with and it just would be for some people it would just be one more thing that they can live without. If it was happening now it would be much harder much harder. I don't think there's any doubt about that. And what you you know you brought up and again for whatever reason I thought we talked about this on Tuesday but it sounds like we didn't People this is a risk to sports right now. Don't kid yourself. People are learning that they can live without them. They're also discovering what time suck they? Are you know and I'm talking about the real hardcore sports fan that sits there every night and watches you know. Nba Games on on NBA TV in and the NBA package in NHL Games on the NHL package in all the sudden. They're realizing my God. I spend a lot of time watching sports and I missed out on some of these other things. These are my family. I actually like them. You know I actually like doing certain things that I didn't you know that I wouldn't have been during this time of year but I think of it started for football season. You're right it would have been. Oh my God we would have been the pressure. Tommy you know haven't discussed this the pressure for football to come back if this thing had happened in early September. Let's say after week one and they shut down the league. You know second weekend in September the pressure to get football back in playing even if it's in front of empty crowds would be much greater than the pressure right now on baseball hockey in the NBA and golf majors and the tournament. Etcetera I agree. I agree a hundred per thank you. Do you think that the NFL would be trying to figure out? Hey we got to play our games man. This is important for the country. I think the president would be hammering them on it. So yeah and since A lot of these owners are are Allies of his. I think the owners would be pressuring Goodell to Come up with a way way to get the product on back on the field. Somehow well let me put heresy other things you know. I mean a lot of this is out of their hands. Local local government official understand are making these decisions. Well they are. That's true but if you you know if you don't have any well I guess it would be based on whether or not the NFL workers would be considered essential. You know in some of these places but you could find a place where you could play these games. I think it's actually interesting to consider what we just laid out that if this had happened in early September and you had played week one and then all the sudden week two was cancelled and then all of a sudden the NFL postponed indefinitely the pressure to play these games and whether or not we would be on the verge of playing. Nfl Games right now after a month of this versus where are with baseball and hockey in the NBA if there would have been such overwhelming pressure for the nations you know mental wellbeing. We need the NFL back gone on Sundays. You know in college football would be more difficult you know in some may maybe it would be. Maybe it wouldn't be I don't know but the NFL is king. Would we be on the verge of seeing the NFL resumed season? After four weeks of this. I think it'd be much more of a political fight than what we're dealing with now ultimately. I don't think they'd be able to. I just don't think they'd be able to do it and to be honest with you. I think that this This mental wellbeing thing is a little bit overblown and exaggerated. You know I mean fuck. It's easy for me to say I don't have the same. I'm not talking about economic hardships. That people were going through. Let me make that clear. Air Family shattered right talking about the sports. You know grow up everybody. Tough it out. You know what your grandparents went through and it because you're sitting at home and the things he likes to watch on TV. You don't have all of them. It's some kind of burden mean on a little bit sick of that narrative well mental wellbeing of the country. I mean the only mental wellbeing I'm concerned about is people's lives and economic lives as well. No I know what you're saying. Look World War Two. All these sports were cancel but sports weren't as important the sports that were important like boxing and horseracing. I think boxing continued through the war. Right there were still big fight. But the reason. You didn't have the reason you didn't have questions sports. If you didn't have the players were fighting. I'm sorry go ahead. L. What's important what else what's important with gasoline and rubber and food right and munition and that was that was rationed out that wasn't available to everybody and having blackout in case you were being bombed right and ten years earlier. Red Lines. You know. They're out because there wasn't enough food for everybody to eat. I mean it's not live. It's not the best comparison because sports wasn't in one thousand nine hundred forty two forty three forty four and forty five the the part of the economic engine that it is today. You know. It just didn't understand that I understand that but I'm just talking about this idea of how can we survive without watching sports mentality. I mean I'm just Kinda I I mean. I think it's overblown I think I think I think we've become soft and I'm the last guy to say that well I think what you're saying is the point I made earlier in. That is that people are starting to realise. They're learning that they don't need it as much as they thought they. Did you know the complaints that there are people that are complaining and there are people that are saying that you know? I need it. Look I really feel for the people who are alone right now. Like that is yes. The people that live alone and can't go to work or have been laid off and in our lonely. I mean I can only imagine how awful that is like many times. I've joked over the years and friends of mine and I will joke about you. Know my next move is to is to a one bedroom efficiency with the couch in a refrigerator and a couple of big screens but really ultimately we all are you know. I. I don't know I need. I need to be around people as much as I'm fine being alone for a period of time and I do do well being alone for a period of time. It can't be that long you know But you know back to the other thing. Yeah it's I understand what you're saying. Obviously you know it be not having the NFL would be a mental drain for a lot of people. It would be a drag and it would be it would be You know it's because it's been happy. It's a habit like the. Nfl is so much different than the other sports there is a habit around the NFL. There's an addiction to the schedule of the NFL season the rhythm of the NFL season. See you'd really be shaking your own sort of internal world with no NFL. If you're a football fan like most of you that are listening in. I am in Tommy's But yeah I mean. They're obviously. There are more important things than sports lot more important. Yeah let's I think it's more of a dependency than at addiction but that still doesn't diminish How there'd be a withdrawal level Wi without it particularly if it wasn't going on now if this had happened in the middle of the NFL season now. Listen I just wanted something popped in my head and I wanted to keep it there. You were talking about movies. Watch nineteen seventeen. I wanted it bounces off of you because this is heresy Have you seen? You've seen no country for old men loved it. Loved the book to okay The first time I watched it and I love the Cohn brothers. I'd love the Coen brothers. One of my favorite movies of all time is Miller's crossing The first time I watched no no country for all men. I think I'm not that impressed. I didn't think it was that good. You just watched it for the first time. No no I watched it when it first came out. Okay so I watched it again recently. I'm GONNA give this another chance. Same react I mean I I don't get it. I don't understand I tell you what Dr there will be. Blood was a much better move. I loved it and sit on the Academy award that year instead of no country for men. I just think it took me into it. I I like no country for old men. I've probably seen a half dozen times now and every you know if it's on or whatever I'll I'll watch it It is really dark. It's you know the the whole thing. The Cormac McCarthy wrote that book In also you know it Cormac McCarthy's written some of the best books ever and I'm not a big writer anymore. but blood. Meridians one of the greatest books of all time in anyway. The COHN brothers took that in. Turn it into a movie in in. What was it. Was Heavier Bar Damn right. Yeah and they won the office. Best Picture Yeah that year. I thought it was really good. There will be blood. It's funny I think there's a real Sort of Split on that. I know a lot of people I remember when it came out and I and I loved it and I thought it was excellent Daniel day-lewis financial and everything but I remember a lot of people did not like the movie. Thought it was really slow. I think that movies excellent. I watched it recently with one of my boys not been this was before pandemic. I watched with Corbin. I think we sat down to watch it. He hadn't seen it and I love that movie so good after movie that Corbin Walk around the house saying I drink your milk. Drink milk fake. He loved it. He loved it too That that's a brilliant movie so anyway so you brought this up just to say no country old man for old men. You still don't like it. You watched it again and you still don't like it. Yeah Yeah and I know that that's that goes against the grain for most people but Oh yeah have you ever seen Sicario the first to carry out? It's pretty good. It's pretty good. I watched the sequel. Though the other night I forget what it's called Sicario Day of the I don't know whatever it's called. And this is also heresy. I like the sequel better than the original but but two movies. You should watch arte to SICARIO MOVIES. with Save Rolin definitely would like I've been told to watch parasite which won the Academy Award last year So that's on the list As well You did see once upon a time in Hollywood. Right yeah and again when. I first saw on TV. I wasn't that impressed with us now. I've watched it subsequently a couple of times and I've enjoyed it more and more time. I watched it about that. Was I think that was my prediction to you? I think we talked about this. Came out and I saw it and I loved it and I said but it may be one of those Tarantino movies. that you know you have to watch a couple of times and it just grows on you and by the time he got to the third or fourth time. It's brilliant. You know that that has happened yet because to me inglorious bastards. Which is my you know. It's either inglorious bastards or pulp fiction in terms of Tarantino movies and I love reservoir dogs too but inglorious bastards. I did not like the first time I saw it. I was like really and then I watched it again. I'm like Oh this is pretty good and now I've probably seen forty times and it's just it's so good it's so good. I know we've had the Tarantino conversation before but You I think it's you that's always told me that you loved both of the kill bills and I didn't at all. Well I like kill Bill. Volume Co bill to okay one. What didn't do much for me and you look around to write. Jackie Brown's my favorite turns. That's right it's it's the one based on Elmore Leonard Novel and Because it's it's got a little bit of compassion and it and most Tarantino movies don't have any of that but But I like once upon a time in Hollywood a lot more now so good and I probably watched it again. I I I'm GonNa you know it's going to be an on on the list soon enough to go through the things. I haven't seen but I think I said to you after I watched it and you hadn't seen it yet that you were going to love the late. The late sixties. La Hollywood. You know the way he just nailed what it was like. You know all the way down to like the music that was playing on the car radio when they were driving around like he just he gets all the detail right and that stuff. Actually I downloaded on my playlist. Three songs from that soundtrack that I had forgotten about that soundtrack. I'm forgetting now well Mitch Ryder Nightrider Ja- CECE Ryder. song see see rider Neil and there's a Paul Revere and Raiders I think good thing is on. That is on there. And I downloaded that and They'll diamond brother. Love's salvation travel and show. I downloaded that as well Right I can't for whatever reason the soundtrack of that movie isn't nothing's jumping out to me. You know But whatever All right you want to talk to sports here for few minutes. You haven't had a chance to weigh in on the Ron Rivera press conference from the other day. I'd sort of went through it blow by blow yesterday. So where do you WANNA start? Wha- what to you? What was the biggest takeaway from that press conference? Well I think the biggest takeaway is His philosophy on the draft. I mean to me that that was that was that was the biggest takeaway and what what did you. What did you learn because that was a long into some of his soundbites? Are Bill Callahan esque. But what I don't I think that they're not inclined to To trade away that pets I agree. I think that that's what I learned from it. I think they're not inclined to trade that pick. Yeah I think what you learned is that he is. You know I think the the line in that particular sound bite was when He said hold on him to find it here in a second to You know if you do trade back quote did you really get value or did you just get a whole bunch of picks close quote which is to say you know he had said it. Earlier in the soundbite. When you're in the first five spots those are immediate impact guys. You know so. I agree with him too. I mean if you were absolutely convinced that chase young or Isaiah Simmons or you know but I think it's gonna be chase young is going to be one of the best pass rushers in the League for the next decade. I don't care I said the other day that I would consider three first rounders and a second. I don't think anybody's going to give that up but I just don't want them to pass on chase young. I don't want them to pass on that. I think he's as much of a sure thing at a key position on the field as I've seen as a football fan in a long time and in their in position to take him. You know it's very rare that you're in position to take a player of that caliber. I mean I think if they got three first and a second deal you make I I don't think I'd make the deal but I consider that one. I wouldn't consider anything less than that but go ahead. What this what. What the three first round picks are offering them right and where they are right That's sad I agree with you. I think if say is is a generational game tainting defensive player I think he'd jump at the opportunity to take him. Yeah look all you gotTa do is go back to last year's number two picnic. Bosa Nick Bosa was an absolute factor in every single game. He was a game record and he made everyone around him better. He turned defense which had some young talent on it into you know arguably one of the better defenses. We've seen in a long long time in the NFL. If Chase Young's actually better and people like todd mcshay say that he's even better than Nick Boza and you know the Redskins do have some young pieces. Pain Alan itis sweat et CETERA. You have to take chase young. Somebody said to me today on the Radio Show. They said so. What are you GONNA do? You'RE GONNA have a surplus of Defensive Lineman you've gotTA trade you know Allen or pain. I'm like ninety. Don't these guys don't play every snap if you've got to rotate? If you've got a rotation of pain Allen and I and night it's in sweat and young you know five guys for four spots in a four three in. That's pretty damn good. That could be really impactful. You know you're you're you're gonNA give guy and by the way a lot of versatility in that defensive line Allen can play and or inside I and Itis can play ender inside. I think we'll find out that chase young can play anywhere you could probably play safety and be dominant Doron pain is the most athletic guy in the defensive front right now. I mean sweaters but in terms of the Interior defensive guys So I wouldn't worry about a surplus at that position. I wouldn't Oh my God. I can't believe people would actually worry that that some kind of a prop yeah. They haven't had a surplus in years. Insist on anything What else what about the? What about the Kyle in Discussion I think it opens the possibility that if there is a very short window. A preparation for two seasons Kyle. Allen could be the quarterback. I don't know my my big takeaways. Were number one three of them number one yours was. Which is they're gonNA take chase young number two they're not gonNA trade down. I'm secondly that Haskins is going to be the starter. Barring the absolute unforeseen and by the way the unforeseen is much more possible these days than it ever was and then the third takeaway was just how much he is trying to reshape a culture as much as he's reshaping a roster and coaching staff etc and a lot of what he talked about. Was You know culture related? Whether it was his discussion about Thomas Davis or is discussion about Jon. Bostick or is conversation about you know how he handled the Dunbar thing in. Nicholson thing you know. He doesn't want nonsense right now. He wants guys that he knows will sort of you know React and promote from the book of Ron Rivera. You Know He. He realized I think he realizes this place is total toxic. Shit show now the other thing that he said that I'm surprised you didn't mention already was what he said about. Dan Snyder when he said quote. I've probably talked with him. Daily daily to every other day and really. It's about what we're doing what we're planning on doing what's happening more so than anything else. I think the biggest thing is that he's really Is that is that? He's really asked is really that he wants to be informed more so than just turning over and turning a blind eye I think he did the laissez faire thing where he was hands off out of the way so he just wants to know and that's all that is we talk through things. I've asked him for advice and certain things in certain issues for the most part. He's letting us do our thing And he's given us the tools that gives us the opportunity to do our jobs. What did you make of him sort of saying that you know? He's already done the thing where he's hands off and he's added the way. Well I think that's political bullshit is what it is. I mean that's absolute political bullshit. And we know he didn't do that. He drafted your quarterback over the objections of the football people in the building. That's not laws as fair. You know so I think that. That's political bullshit. I think he's he's like like my Shanahan. Did me like like other smart? Maybe two smart guys who have been in that building. I think he's trying to figure out the best way to handle Dan. Snyder And back includes daily conversations. That's fine you know. He owns the team. I understand why you would. You would have conversations with the owner every day about what he thinks is most valuable asset. But I mean we're in what we're in February march. We're in the fourth month of the Ron Rivera era. I would hope that. He's letting Ron Rivera do his thing and not is there. Fearing at this point you'll come to me in the second season and let's see how it goes. Yeah I mean I think you know this but I think your reaction would indicate that you don't think that right now and that is the Dan Snyder was different owner from twenty ten to twenty nineteen and he was from two thousand to two thousand nine. He wasn't as involved as he was in those first. You know ten years now. The problem is that he was involved enough to really do damage you know. The relationship with Robert Griffin the third being the number one involvement over the last ten years of Dan Snyder that really damaged the franchise damaged a young player And it took a few years to recover from that and they really. You know barely recovered from that for a brief period of time where they had a quarterback in the an offense and they made a playoff run in the nearly made a second playoff run He's been a different owner. Bruce Allen's been the guy running the day to day here for a while. That's been a disaster too. You know but I think that's really what Ron is referring to there. I think what he's saying is that Bruce Allin was running this organization and Dan was letting him run the run the organization and now he wants to hear straight from the sources. You know because Jay. Gruden didn't report to Dan Snyder. He reported to Bruce Right. You know everybody in that organization reported to Bruce but at the same time you know we heard you know we heard by the way in somebody pointing this out because I was talking about the culture change in in Rivera's Referral to that. It's what Dan said when he announced you know in in in the happy Thanksgiving you know introductory he said we you know we need a culture change. It was a shot at Bruce Not He he takes himself sort of that it off the hooker tries to. I mean none of us are going to let him take. I'm not giving him any any Kudos for taking a shot at proof down right. It was almost gutless to do that. yeah it. Sorta was might as well have been more direct if you were going to do but I think so what I was going to say about. This was I think Ron Rivera is playing it. In a way in which John Crime described in a column that he wrote back in December. Which was that the new coach was GonNa need to you know? Include Dan Snyder to a certain degree and almost make him feel like he's more involved than he really is and that that was important. You know it's it's sort of pathetic that that's important but whatever he it's his team and a lot of owners are super involved In that in that Rivera's recognized. And maybe Joe Gibbs told him this look be straight with. Dan Communicate with Dan. Let them know what's going on. He's going to give you everything you need to succeed. Don't leave him out in the dark. You know like like Shanahan did to a certain degree. Like Bruce Maybe did and maybe you know it was dance fault. That bruce was leaving amount of his. Bruce Dan Bruce and the job far too long but you know it's the keep your enemies keep your friends close in your enemies closer kind of a thing. Not that he's viewing. Dan is enemy right now but it sort of the ad I think. Maybe he's playing at the right way for right now but at the same time. He better produce some results sooner rather than later. Yeah I I think he is playing. Well I. I have ultimate fate that it won't work at some point but I think he's playing well right now and let me point out the difference between Dan Snyder. The first ten years Dan Snyder second ten years and I know this from my years of watching law and Order Evan. There are different degrees of crimes. There's first degree crime their second degree crimes. And there's third degree crimes. They're still crying. It's just depends on the level of criminality involved so he was still committing the same crimes they just might have been third degree instead of first in. Don't you love like the part of the fan base that will tell you over and over again? He's just trying to win he. He loves us. So these these these have been crimes of passion by dance. They've been passing by the way. I think that's been one of the biggest bullshit explanations or or or sort of you know default answers on on the few people very few. That don't despise Dan Snyder for what he's done to this organization. They'll say look he wants to win. He'll spend to win the you know he's just hired the wrong guy. He's had some bad luck. No no if he really wanted to win would have never fired Marty Schottenheimer. If he really wanted to win he would have said to. Rg three year. Coach is who you go to for these complaints. Not Me. If he really wanted to win he wouldn't have walked into the draft room after they put together the board over a year and said Nah. We're taking the kid from bullets. My son knows them. You know it the the the it's a bullshit answer. He doesn't want to win. Okay I mean ultimately be really desperately. If all that mattered to him was winning if he recognized years ago that winning would have been more valuable for him would have produced more revenue for him then the months of March and April in the off season. You know he would have. He would have done the right things. He's never understood what what what what the right thing to do. Here is I mean. He may lie we as a result of all the things that he enjoys doing. Winning would be nice and I'm not saying he's rooting against winning. But if he really was interested in winning there too many examples of things that he would have done that would approved it and he did otherwise absolutely But it's a new day Dawn. It's a new day. It's a new dawn all right Last question for you did this on radio today. Actually two of them for you. The first one is this and it's I should have done this right after we were talking about watching old games on television. But that's what people have been doing. They've been watching a lot of games on television recently. I actually. I don't know how many people are doing that. I'm not doing it nearly as much as probably some are. What's the one sporting event or game if you could go back and attend or watch it right now and without knowing what the outcome is going into going back and watching it again what would you go back and watch again or or attend again and again that? I've attended attend or watch but you you're going to experience it for the first time again. You're not going back knowing the results you're going to be at the Ali Frazier one. Yeah there's a lot of people. A lot of people said that. Yeah more safe. Nineteen seventy one. I watched it on closed circuit TV at Allentown Agricultural Hall. Yeah but To a bit in the garden so seen it to have been part of that I mean that that would carry me for a lifetime that feeling knowing I mean I've I've had a lot of good fortunes who have seen a lot of great things in my life to put to obscene. That that would have been just I could I could. I could call on that moment years later. If I experienced that in person I totally get it. I mean it's been often been described as the single most impactful and important and significant and exciting sporting event of the twentieth century. You Know Anybody. That was there In Madison Square Garden in March nineteen. Seventy-one Ali Frazier one. They've always done. It was look. I don't remember it bum. But it was probably the most typed the most anticipated sporting event of the century. Right at least the second half. Ironically first half of the twentieth century was also probably a fight. Can I guess is it is it? Sh- mailing Lewis. Yeah the second one thousand nine hundred thirty eight countries on the brink of World War Two You know Max. Schmeling is Hitler's champion So Lewis is is is The real heavyweight champion at that point. And that's the other super fight of the century That's the only fight that I could think of. That can compare it to Ali Fraser. One in terms of the political overtones and trump and Lewis won that fight right in a knockout in the first round. Knock THEM OUT. Knock them out. Yeah one thirty eight something like that. I think that's what it was. I have you know you can buy the sound to the call for that fight on. I tunes so I have it on my iphone. It doesn't last very long. Who who who called it do you know I don't? I don't know who was. It's great old raspy voice and am I correct in saying that Max Schmeling was not A Nazi sympathizer that. He was He there was some shame. In sort of carrying the nats the Nazi flag and the Nazi label into in into event or not. Am I wrong or not no? You're right you're right Smelling ears later turned out to be. I mean you know with a big supporter of so Lewis is a close friend of his. And what's not I mean what? Reluctant Nazi You know simple. He didn't want to be And years later became a millionaire with The Coca Cola distributor in Germany. I didn't know that the for me. It would be an event that I went to and I would want to go back and have referenced. I've I've referred to this many many times in the past but there was nothing like the feeling of walking into RFK stadium for the cowboys Redskins Nineteen Eighty three championship game. I've never I've never felt that you know there have been some games. I've been to a Yankee playoff game. That was really exciting back in the nineties. I've been in the garden for Knicks. Playoff game. I've obviously been too many Maryland. Basketball Games were off the charts electric atmospheres in some of those games against Duke In the two thousands But that day in in the NFC championship championship game and eighty three. It was just forty five minutes. We never went to the Games early. My father was a Li you know. Basically a get there right before kickoff and leave you know early guy and it was my father my brother and I and we went to that game and we decided we were going to go down there early. We were in our seats. Forty five minutes before kickoff and so is everybody else. I've never ever been to a game. Where forty five minutes. Before the game kicked it was completely full and people were chanting. We Want Dallas. It was unbelievable the atmosphere that day and obviously turned out well too but I've never experienced anything like that at a live. Sporting event And you know people that that aren't from here in some of you listen. That aren't from here. Maybe think we're exaggerating. Et asked summerall. We're asking you can't ask anymore ask madden would. Rfk was like for a big game. He'll tell you it was his favorite place that there was no feeling like that stadium for a big game in the nineteen eighties I would I would do that. The other one would be. I would actually love to go back and have the feeling that I had in Maryland. I made it to the final four in two thousand one. Tommy they played Stanford in Anaheim in the elite. Eight and Casey Jacobsen was the star Stanford Maryland had never been to the final four. And I'll tell you I think that's the most emotional as a sports fan of any of my teams that I've ever been that it. I waited my entire life and been disappointed. So many times coming up. Just barely short. Maryland had never been to the final four and when they beat Stanford and there was a countdown like of the final twenty seconds. Dixon had the ball in his hands. And I think it was Gus Johnson. Who's calling the play by play on? Cbs that was emotional for a lot of Maryland. Fans that they'd get finally made it to a final four But yet frazier Ali. One that that that would have been a hell of a night. Yep absolutely would have been a hell of a night and one of the many stories out of that was James. Taylor was supposed to play the garden. That and They had to basically negotiate a deal with him That included Tickets to the fight because he wound up wanting to see the fight as well. He got five tickets. I think it was like Jack Jack. Kent Cooke was a big part of that that fight right in promoting the five million dollars. Yeah exactly fight all right. You got anything else. I got nothing else. For a couple of things that I mentioned today That were sort of intra. Today would have been the first day of the masters. You don't care about that. Steve Sands on the radio show today talking about that. Oh I know what I wanted to mention to. You actually thought this was really interesting. Wimbledon has been paying for an insurance policy against a pandemic for seventeen years. They've been paying two million bucks a year so they read that they're all in thirty four million bucks for pandemic insurance and they'RE GONNA. They'RE GONNA get paid out one hundred forty million dollars. It's pretty impressive. Apparently to bury the British and same thing Yeah although you know as I was reading Darren rebel last night and he talked about how you know this force measure you know. Basically these act of God events are going to you know Get some of these People off the hook but you know bottom line is The this is missed massive revenue for some of these sporting events in that. That's why some of them will be rescheduled. But in the case of the British Open Golf and Wimbledon they had these insurance policies. They're canceled. They'RE NOT GONNA RESCHEDULE. They'll take the insurance payout instead. I We're done nothing else Have a good weekend Tommy. I'll talk on Tuesday. 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04/18: NFL Draft Preview with Ryan Wilson (Fantasy Football Podcast)

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04/18: NFL Draft Preview with Ryan Wilson (Fantasy Football Podcast)

"Fantasy football today from CBS sports. Email us at fantasy football CBS. I dot com. It's time to dominate your fantasy league. Here's some Cheney victim draft prep show right now on fantasy football today. Four man show today, Adam here with Jamie, and Dave Pegg. Got. You excited you're here. Yeah. Smell you? And Ryan Wilson's. Here are NFL draft expert was Ryan, hey, it's amazing that we're all together and fort London, Adam. I've noticed that. I think this is maybe second time I've seen you since you've had your child. Fatter no hairs certain to get gray. It's been great. How like there are more streaks of rainout? Pretty there have been in the past is pretty grey. Yes. Making me realize my own mortality, you have no gray hair. I know, but I'm losing my hair. I'd rather. I have so the nicest person ever by the great and bald so over to for me, he's the nicest. Last time I took. So I like this is true. Nice guys do that. So Email us fantasy football at CBS dot com. We'll have a show next Tuesday believed Tuesday. And then on Friday will have our second show of next week when we will recap round one give you pretty instant analysis. So I plugged through things. Yeah. Actually. Yeah. I want you to tell us about all the all the NFL draft stuff coming up on CBS sports HQ. So we have a very cool live mock draft for two hours on Thursday, April eighteenth, so tomorrow, four PM eastern till six thruster and probably today. Most people probably here. Okay. So Thursday's eighteenth eighteenth at four eastern writing I will be part of it Ryan which teams do you have raiders bingles? I have all the raiders picks bingles picks and a couple more have to look got his whole head swimming around the NFL draft. I have the forty Niners the bills the Seahawks and the chargers. And when I say that those are the. That we are representing as general managers. There are six of us believe that are taking part in this draft the people go drink Brian McFadden, Danny canal, some of other personalities will Renton will Brinson. That's right. Chris Hassell will be playing the role of Roger Goodell as the Commissioner. That's great. It's very cool should be a lot of fun. And then our NFL draft coverage starts next Thursday. Obviously with with the kick off of the draft. Ryan I will be in Nashville doing right? If things Ryan actually at the NFL draft in the location of where the draft will be held. I'll be in some random bar. Don't know exactly where national with a host of host of our CBS sports personality. It's the doghouse DA WG. Yes. As natural. Please come out and say Hello. We'll be there. Thursday, Friday and Saturday along with our crew in in Stanford Connecticut, but should be a lot of fun. Lot of what I hope to be excellent draft coverage again. Yeah. So listen, I I won't do a promo here. I know we gotta talk football. I also wanna see if we can get to some of Jamie sleepers breakouts. And bus because Ryan's not only draft guys. If a bog is when covering football for us for a long time. Get his thoughts on some of these guys like Alvin cook as a breakout like Adam feeling as a bust. So let's okay, CBS sports HQ. What is it? If you don't know download the CBS sports app on your Oku on your kindle, any connected device. Any over the top device and your apple TV, whatever it is and watch HQ? It's free twenty four seventh streaming, and it's just great sports. Coverage fake debates all the stuff that you've grown. Tired of TV we launched a sports network. That's really for true sports fans. There's fantasy content on there. And there's going to be so much. NFL draft content and the playoffs NHL. That's all right. So Ryan, I did what I think every responsible fantasy football host should do when you're talking about the NFL draft. I watched a lot of YouTube highlights this morning, and I've got my guy that I love he's he's underrated. He's probably be the first overall pick in the draft the running back that I love I watched him for two minutes. And I said, this is the guy Justice hill of Oklahoma state, Dan, this guy is fast, and he had I believe the best forty times four four. Yeah. Of all the running backs and he plays really fast, and he's small. He's smallest that's right. But film Lindsey small to he's dynamic. He's really love him. He was injured a little bit. So that's concerned. But he does a lot of things. Well, he's not gonna block anybody. But you don't care about that for fantasy versus he can make you can catch them out of the backfield. He super shift. He as you as you saw in the highlights, he's probably date three guy in real life. No. I don't know how that Iran. It's not good to see wise. He's not he's gonna. To be a sleeper that for me. That's right. That's okay. But I think a lot of teams like him, but they don't like him early. And I think part of that size and the NFL when you're talking about the extra football games on Sunday. You have to be able to block on third down. If you're not doing that. That's not going to get you on the field as early as you would like so that's a concern. But I like a lot I'm with I like the fact that he's fast on and then he ran the four four sort of backed it up. He's super shifty can catch passes and do all the things that you want sort of scab backs. Do today's NFL is their cop. You can make to him, and maybe a destination you think that he would make the most a comp. So let's see Lindsay is. He's not quite Philip linzie. He smallest Linsey Lindsay was undrafted. Of course. But he sort of the smallest third-down back type guy that we've seen come year in year. Jalen Rashard, for example, pervious he's going to be a star. But he's going to be day four pick. I mean, I could see him going any replaces the Steelers might even make sense like call him a day four pick day three picks that bad. No. Four mistake all the time. He was drafted. But there are plenty of teams that knee guys like that who can come in. Because we know we're going to run back by committee now more than ever come in and contribute and passing situations. Short yardage sort of moving them around Chesapeake type situations. So I can see him going into number places because teams load up on these running backs for v six seventh rounds. So who someone who's your your Justice hill who someone you really like better than the prognosticators a guy like a lot again injury was his issue at least this year. Bryce love Stanford, smaller sky extremely fast. And he we talk about guys coming out or stain. He should have come out last year only in part because he struggled a little bit this year with injuries in ankle injury. Then he towards ACL in January or December. It was. So he couldn't take part in the pre Predrag process. He was at the combine oak interview, super smart, really great teammate. And if he's healthy if you can just get over to their ability concerns, and that's. Huge concern. He's Justice type talent. And there's a lot to like about him. He's a little better block rental harder than Justice hill and terms taking guys. But he's he's a guy that I like, and if he's there in day three, I think he makes some sense. Okay. That's Stanford running back Bryce love. We're gonna ask you if you wouldn't mind when you talk about a prospect to say team in position because these are names that a lot of us are familiar with. I did know priceless guys. Toughest hell I like over two thousand Russia twenty seventeen eight point one yards per carry nineteen touchdowns that'll work. Right. That's pretty good. So we're going. Let's talk about the draft. Let's just have a free flowing conversation here. Is going number one. Well depends on who you ask. P brisket will tell you is not and he was making a convincing case earlier for why he's not going number when I feel like he is Jason lockenfora convinced that he is. And unless I hear something different and Carter doing a great job of not say anything publicly come had press conference Wednesday or Tuesday. And he said, basically, nothing and it was unclear the way. He was speaking made you think if Josh Rosen watching this what he's thinking about all this. But I feel like the is going number one. We'll see if it happens like, I said PD of that opinion. I don't know how Jamie day feel about it. But I would be shocked right now if he doesn't go a number one, I think he's one hundred percent going number one perfect fit for what cliff Kingsbury wants to do. They're not that Rosen couldn't do it. But I think it would take some time from to be as prepared as Kyle already is right. Same type of offense at Oklahoma that Kingsbury bring into the pros. They can't really talk about. Though because of the Rosen issue they're trying to get as much as they possibly can for Rosen at this point. So they can't start. They can't talk about getting Kyle Marie until they actually do it. And then they can move on from Josh Rosen. So they have to act like, you know, there's this big shroud of mystery on. I think the football people in Arizona do not want Kyle. I think the ownership probably does. So I think you have to schools at play there that are kind of butting heads with each other because he will obviously add some excitement to the team at drafting a defensive guy, which is what their need is is not the same as drafting Heisman Trophy winner. In one of the more electric players coming into the into the league. So I I would not be surprised if Murray goes one, I don't know if he's gonna go onto the cardinals. Because it does it does seem like if you were keeping Josh Rosen where I'm sorry getting rid of Josh Rosen. Why would you show for off season workouts? And if you're him, why would you show up, you know, because he's Ozzy asking that question. And he hasn't said anything either. I mean, I agree. But maybe it's just because if he doesn't show up then you've played your hand. Everybody knows your table. But that's him. That's him. Well, if he doesn't know what if he doesn't show up. What's he saying to the other thirty one teams in the league nothing different than their thinking right now? Because what other teams are looking at him. As is still the prospect that he was if you're interested in him or the failure that he was if you're not buying into. And so if you're interested in him, I don't think it matters one way or the other shows up if you're not interested in him not care. So I think it's his own belief that he's going to be the guy next year probably based on some assurances from the football people, and that could change obviously. Because if the people above the football people, the bid wells decide we're taking Murray fans or buts, they're taking calamari. But if Steve and the football people decide, and they convinced the ownership group, this is not the right fit for us to spend two top ten picks back back years on a quarterback when we have so many other needs as a franchise. It's a very interesting discussion we spend an hour talking about what's going to happen. Kyle mary. But I I I know who the people per score talking to starting to Peter King came out and said, it may not be as a slam dunk pizza saying it for a month. It's one of those things where I don't think they're decided yet. And I don't know if it's necessarily going to happen the column or goes the cardinals how many quarterbacks go in the first round who's your favorite. I like doing slightly better than Kyle. I think four on the first round only three should I liked Daniel Jones to do. I don't love. Daniel Jones outta do stats or not what you played from first rats writer back. So you talk to scouts. They'll say well is that a function plane at Duke or the line was not very good. He had a lot of guys drop passes on them. Or is that Jones, and that's what infil teams have to figure out which which is the cause which is the effect. But even going back to the senior bowl. I was with Pete there and drinking on Dave's. Got this big thing water as taking one sit to like once if I take too many sips. I'm going to miss the rest of the podcast goes, we're gonna have bathroom break pretty. I don't know if you could use nicknames for for it. So you don't have to drink even going back to the combine the conversation. There was that the giants like Daniel Jones. There are lot of similarities between Dale Jones. Eli manning David cliff, the coach Duke, that's he's really type of the Manning's. He went to the manning passing Cam deal Jones did and if you're making a cop he is a more athletic version of ally. So I don't know if that I am a more athletic version. That's I don't that blows you away. But as our could beat Eli foot race, I feel hundred percent bit that give me something. I think the interesting thing with the quarterbacks and right? I don't know if you grew with this or not, but they're not feel to be in. This includes Murray. A superstar. That's right. Like Murray could be just because of how he plays, but because of his size like you gotta fear the injury factor. What happens when he actually gets a significant hit? He could be Russell Wilson avoids all those things to basically or he could be RG three. Right. You know, just plays a little bit more reckless and unfortunately got hurt. But but let me for from fantasy perspective his rushing totals. Obviously. No. He would be a great fantasy quarterback. So. Yeah. Like, what are you thinking about? We don't need to know the destination. Have this podcast? Now have set. We're gonna have another one next Friday when we know where they're going, but is Cuyler Murray a top ten dynasty pick in the rookie draft think you don't see a quarterback. Oh, no, no, no. I less you're talking about super flex lease. Because that's when you see quarterbacks like I played a dynasty super flexibly and last year four quarterbacks went in the first round. I somehow was able to get Josh Allen. The second throw that in. Event. That's where I think you'll see those guys go, dynasty wise. But I just think, you know, and this is kind of where the Rosenthal factors frozen. I don't know how you would rank this Ryan as looking at the prospects. But I think a lot of people, but rose maybe the top of this quarterback group. You know? So that's why the cardinals have this decision to make. Then you can't take them number one. Thinking that. But you're hearing Haskins sliding and pizzas. This all the time. I'm sure you're well in in tune with this Ryan about the football people like Daniel Jones the draft Twitter. People hate Daniel Jones, the football people don't like Isla Murray, the draft Twitter, people love Kyla very, and so it's an Haskins sort of falls in between there. It's going to be interesting. Like, you said Adam the nation's going to be really fascinating for all of these guys. Drew lock is the other guy, by the way, drew lock would be the one that seemingly Denver's. I mean, if you. If you drew lock the Denver almost every time nearly every time, and there's a conversation where July actually goes before doing Haskins just because I don't necessarily. I don't think we lock is better likely lock. But I don't think he's better than than Wayne Haskins. But just depending on how this plays out, and we've been talking forever that John Elway absolutely. Is a Nampa through lock. He went to some games in Washington personal member. He was hanging out with with the quarterbacks group at the senior bowl and even laughed about it at the combine. So I mean, look I liked you like I said, but giving John Elway's terrible track record with quarterbacks that would be a little apprehensive. I was lockers agent. I think. And to your point about lock going before Haskins that's asking slides, so the the first domino. That will follow be does does Murray get past four because if it doesn't go on the raiders of the next thing that could look at him, there's no trades. And if he gets past four the giants Lear gonna pass on him because he doesn't seem to fit what Gettleman wants and John always not day. Kyla Murray guy either you lose to what he said about the combine the also kind of said that Murray's not his guy in so many words Denver's at ten then Raza ten so there could be a scenario where some team jumps into the top ten to get Murray. And then if Denver takes lock at ten Haskins slide now starts to become the story of the draft. And will he get past Miami or Washington at thirteen fifteen because those are the two teams that need a quarterback. Everybody else doesn't necessarily need a quarterback other teams that could use one Denver can use one because flacco is not the answer. Long-term giants same thing. But the giants have six and seventeen. Right. So if you put basically Danny Jones seventeen for the giants. Everytime to only the last few weeks. I had them going in the second round. Because I think he's before the traitor after trade before the back of where they go. Yeah. Yeah. Right. That was before the Beckham trade, and then there have been conversations in recent weeks, where they're talking about as you point out, Jamie. How much they really liked angle Jones. I wouldn't take them in seventeen. But I'm not Dave. And I said this before the Beckham trade did if you're there at six where the giants have their first first round pick, and you had OPEC which do saquon Evan Ingram. If you had collar Murray out there. I can't imagine how vastly different offense would be. But got him seems to be saying I'm not interested in. So let me ask you giants fan because they're they're the most fascinating team in this draft. But they're certainly up there. What's your ideal situation with the two picks at six seventeen and thirty five thirty seven bucks. Right. I don't really want them to take Daniel Jones. So I don't know how to evaluate the quarterbacks. But as. A fan. Forget about an analyst as a fan. Quarterback with this is what I'd love for them to do six overall. Take a pass rusher there, some studs. Obviously there have taking sweat most recent mantra having taken a right to John Taylor. But Montesquieu someone they love. They love it. Oliver to who would kick inside. But he's pass rusher. But yeah, that makes Oliver may be one of the interesting prospects being compared Donald so giants take pass rusher because they desperately need that at six, and then let's say they package. What do they have thirty seven? You said five seventeen and thirty seventeen and thirty five move up a few spots. They get twain has something like that. I just hope it's not Daniel Jones. But that would be ideal for me, what the hell do I know Dana might be so much better than three Haskins. So you want them to come out pass rusher quarterback? Yeah. Just not Jones. Yes. That would be ideal. And you have you wanna pass rusher? I mean, I was an amazing spot to be. And if you wanna pass rusher, I think that'd be off the board. That's the first round for the giants. They've salvage their off-season. Yeah. Just because it's been it's been a little bit of a disaster. You have to have a long term view. I mean, they're gonna take take a little bit of a step back. But you have to have a long-term view less. You're supposed to be know that last year was supposed to be good year for them. And they they obviously were kidding themselves. They thought they were good and they weren't. So I mean, they make the playoffs three seasons ago. But they really weren't that good. They thought they could get back to that. And they miscalculated. So that's a little bit of quarterback talk. We expect four in the first round Daniel Jones running backs wide receivers tight ends obviously more fantasy relevant in rookie seasons. You still one or zero running back to the first round or two up the over under like. At that point five. Okay. So Josh shake number one. He'll go off the board. Either late first round. I don't think he'll get past the raiders at thirty five. If they have a chance to get them up there. He's a really really good player. He blocks he pass catches, which which is certainly something you guys interested in runs, really hard. He runs angry sort of if that's your thing. But yeah, I if more than one goes in the first round something has been we have been paying attention. Okay. But last year we had this prize of penny. You know, so surprised there could be a team that traits back into the first round. That's not there. Now, you know to to make a move or somebody? It's just not the prospects aren't the same. That's the difference. Right. But penny was probably surprised for you guys fancy wise as well. Right. It was. Yeah. Across the board fantasy reality. The hawks. Get used. You know, it wasn't. I don't know if it's such a great pick time will tell but it wasn't a very impactful pick for two thousand eighteen that's for sure. We'll take a quick break real quick comeback and talk a little bit more about running backs onto know who Ryan's number two running back, and basically all the fantasy relevant ones that we need to know about going into the draft next week. 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Usually, it's sports, but I've also used seek for concerts. And I really believe in the product. I'm glad I learned about seek all of you to take advantage of what seek has to offer our listeners get a ten dollar discount on their I seek purchase seeks supports our show. So we hope you will support them as well. Use our promo code f f T for ten bucks off your first purchase you can use that for concert tickets, sports, comedy, whatever you want the code is FT for ten dollars off your first seatgeek purchase. So Ryan who's your number two running back on your board? I think talking about this a few months ago when I was on the podcast. I love David Montgomery. I was state. I think you only four six five or something in the combine. I don't care Josh Jacobs. Ran something similar to that. No one seemed to care about that. So it's not an issue. Another guy who runs really hard. He didn't catch a lot of passes that I stay, but he's capable of doing that. And I think he is a guy who can come in and get carries right away contribute right away. I mean, you guys know running back. More than any of the position you can go out there, and you can make some plays and you can help your team more. So than quarterback even wide receiver, and Dave uncovering status is my number two guy. I go back and forth between Montgomery and Sanders. I think both guys have so much upside so much potential. Jacobs. I think is going to be the the clearcut got you know, if anybody's doing dynasty drafts before the draft or best ball leagues Jacobs guys going. I like we just did our first mock draft last week, I took Jacobs round seven. That's not going to be the case if he ends up with an Oakland where he's the prison little or Tampa Bay. Let's say, you know, if he goes to another team that's going to be a timeshare. It's going to be frustrating. But I think Montgomery Sanders are the the two guys throw Damien Harrison there, also, but. I really struggle with with with the second spot. Here's a obviously is going to be the big factor, and you actually hit on something pretty interesting there. Josh shakeups mile Sanders. Don't have a lot of mileage. Yes. So mile Sanderson hind saquon last year he did have a really good season. Penn state. David government has a ton of mileage, and if that's a concern for you. And we'll be teams. I would imagine that something keeping my I get Matt forte vibe from Gumri. That's not a knock that's not a bad thing at all. But we're talking about capable of playing three downs physical. He's going to get caught from behind a, but she needs volume at the NFL level to be great monks had thirty six catches in one one of his thirty six as a sophomore and twenty two juniors. That's nice Jacobs. We love running backs who can contribute in the passing game. He had twenty catches. Yeah. Who actually do stuff doesn't contribute in the run game? Yeah. Right, right. Josh Jacobs had twenty catches for two hundred forty seven yards and three touchdowns. Twenty catches for running back in college. I mean, that's not good in the pros. But it's really not bad part time player too. And right, and he also returned kicks. Yes. Surprise me. Because he's he's not a burner. But that shows that they've his hands. He's got big hands and his legs. But but I don't know. I don't I feel like kick returners usually a little more explosive than than Josh Jacobs. Maybe he's more explosive than his bowling would look wouldn't shift. He but right. You don't envision two hundred thirty pounds excited. Like where would he have to end up for you guys to be pumped about him and fantasy? I mean, the two best bots right now are Oakland. Just because there's no one there. So Tampa Bay would be better by far by far ten the ideal landing spot for Justice. He is a round blank pick and twelve team league. If he goes Tampa Bay for. That's like I was saying five earlier this week, but he might sneak into four that's based on the mock draft. We just reviewed. That's Marla MAC. Devante Freeman PR around five. Okay. Itching his beard diving edge heard it doesn't matter that the puck near said yesterday or today that they are all Ronald Jones. No that doesn't mean a damn thing. And Bruce Arians at the combine I believe it was combine talked about how much she loved pain, Barbara. Fair enough anything else you want to cover here with with running backs. Well, there's a lot of them that I think are going to begin their NFL careers as complementary players like I I don't think that there are a lot of three down type running backs in this class. But I think there's a lot of guys that can handle twenty five to thirty snaps game and get ten touches a game right out, the shoot. And there's some that potential Jacobs Sanders. Montgomery. They all potentially be three now backs. I like Damon Harris a lot he's actually my second favorite running back. He's got three Don potential. He's Jacobs Alabama team inherit Damian Harris and just big physical running. Back catches. Ball seamlessly out of the backfield pretty good block or to Devon single. Terry is fun to watch. I don't know. He's exactly the type of running back. I'm talking about where they wind up ten times a game and let them just create spies. Single Terry FAU. Yeah. But he's he's he's got great speed and just can make guys miss a lot of fun to watch. And I like Trayvon Williams as well because he plays bigger than he is. And he's really fast too. And then you've got guys like Dexter Williams. Daryl Henderson, Rodney Anderson, if he can say talked about Justice hill and what he can bring on. So they're going to be a lot of rookie running backs that I bet end up getting drafted in fantasy leagues the summer and most of them are going to come in the back half of the draft. And people are I think it's kind of different. This is something unique for us. We've always taken rookie running backs throughout our fantasy drafts. But in the past couple years we've had one go in the first couple rounds. Maybe even the first round we've had another two or three go in the early middle rounds. And then we'd see a sprinkle throughout the rest of the draft. I think it will be heavy from around eight on. We'll see a lot of rookie running backs taken. Well, I mean, you go back at least the last two years. There was. Was a two guys drafted really ended up opening season their number three running back on the respective teams. And they finished stop ten guys in that's chimera and Nick up so film to was he wasn't drafted. So you look at. The value for chubs a little bit different because he was second round pick Camaro was third round pick. But he went to team that at the time had two pretty prominent names out of him in Mark Ingram in Adrian Peterson at the time. So you have to look at situation to for where these guys end up, even if they aren't committees they could still end up being prominent fancy options that you just kind of have to wait on. So Dave mentioned Daryl Henderson quickly running back out of Memphis plan. Really good offense of line but back to back years. He averaged eight point yards per carry so tiny he ran to a lot of huge holes. But he he the guy who runs really hard. If he gets to the edge. It's go time. But it's hard to overlook eight yards per carry to back to back us. Who is drivers speed? It was Wisconsin running back not too long ago. It was like seven yards per carry total total bust Monte bald. And get that many. I don't know having trouble with it was a moment. Gordon? You might have been. Fantasy bus might have been Jones white actually, James. It was over that took it up. What stats you care about including combine stuff? So I'm looking at last year's combine results. Running backs around the fastest forty times Naim Hines saquon Barkley Kaylynn, Balaj Rashad penny and Darius Geiss say having spent the combine with Ryan he was infatuated with the bench press. Right next, Gordon. Twenty twelve twenty thirteen twenty fourteen ten yards precarious hundred twelve seven point eight yards per carry twenty thirteen seven point five. He's only fourteen. Yeah. All right. So it was Gordon. He wasn't a bus. I'm sorry. I just had it wrong. I can't ignore that. Yes. Lesson learned you can't penny was like over six yards over seven yards per carry. And there was somebody. I think it was like Donald pump for maybe somebody else was like really is. Because that's the system right? I'm more alarmed by college running backs that don't have a good rushing average college. And it's got to be at least five if you're not five yards for years. Carrie, what's happening? We're kind of offenses that kind of a player you how about you. Have you have you noticed? The have you noticed the reliability of forty times and what that means for a players production? I'm smiling because last night on NFL network the replay the twenty four draft and the bills traded up and twenty four teen to get Sammy Watkins he ran a four four three and they showed the tape and he dominating guys Clemson and that was the same draft Dell Beckham same draft with Martavis Bryant even with the fourth round, Mike Evans might. Yes. Mike Evans receiver Landry. Jarvis Landry was around to pick. And I'm thinking and everyone saying oh my God. He ran the this time he did this and three hundred and we caught up in it. Like combine like, oh my gosh. I can't believe this guy did that I can't believe decay, McCaffrey, four three and the end of the day can't be just that. So while that's impressive. Like, Devon single. Ran a four six five, but you watch play he's not a four six five player. He's much fashion that he's much shiftier. Even though he's five seven. I think is what you said. And I don't even think he's two hundred pounds. So you have to weigh what he actually did in college with. With all the other sort of measurable, and sometimes you get caught up in that. And that's an issue because you see Zach woods, for example. No one knows who that is. I didn't know until he ran a four three zero at the combine the fastest this year. He's a safety. Don't miss. He's going to be says round pick best case. And it doesn't matter if you weren't fasten the straight line, and then fell unless you're doing, you know, the field sprints, right? Yeah. That's why it's kind of funny when quarterbacks run the forty defensive tackles forty. I'm sure there's something there's something to it. But. All right. So I want to take a quick pause from NFL draft talk to just go over some quick NFL news important stuff, and we'll get back to wide receivers and tight ends New England to marry his Thomas guys, what do you think about this? Can they salvage Thomas? Can't they? Yes, will they probably not? I mean coming off into Kelly's injury at his age. It's I think at best he makes an impact for them down the stretch of the regular season into playoffs human. They make the team. I mean, it's very friendly contract because they basically giving him the amount of money that the four was having our pockets right now. I've actually nothing to that's the point. So I. Wow. One of your initials. Great. Yeah. Yeah. This make it much easier to I had a meeting today. So I couldn't wear the big bulky wallet. Which was stuck out in my pants. I had to get the the nice thing out today. Anyway, I think you look at. They're receiving is really void of bodies at this point. Yeah. So it's not a bad attempt to take a flyer on somebody if he can rehabilitate achilles in a hurry. We're doing that PR draft again today. Would you take? No, no, I I still like Philip or set as a sleeper. I think there's you know, he showed you a little bit last year in the game. We had at least five targets. I don't remember stopped time ahead, but it was pretty consistent production with at least five targets. And so if you're looking at those guys I'd rather have is he the insurance policy of Josh, Gordon doesn't come back door. No, come to Marius. Josh cars. The I don't know if Josh Gordon doesn't come back into marries. Thomas makes the team we might we might change our they're taking what would you say to receivers in this? Yeah. Tight ends as well. Also would anyone have to Marius over Chris HOGAN? I mean, no, I think that same type of guy at this point. You know, HOGAN signed with Carolina, where's HOGAN bests inside or outside off my fantasy team. It was for the patriots purposes. I mean, they have with the patriots at least HOGAN could play anywhere. They wanted. They use them more outside than inside obvious Thomas outside HOGAN was very timber. Use them on the slot last year little bit more than before. I don't know. He's he's outside receiver. His his speed is gone. He's he's jailer. Rather ever Chartres Demers Thomas receivers you as a podcast? Oh, Seattle side. Russell Wilson to a four year deal hundred and forty million dollars sixty five million guaranteed. Ryan what you think is still? I love it. I love it. If you're the Seahawks load. If he Russell Wilson I'm fine with making him the highest paid wide receiver. I think he deserves to be that. And I understand that in two thousand twelve they got him for third round pick and they were able to build a team around him because the salary cap was into to the quarterback. But I think the salary cap is not even an issue anymore. Like it used to be even seven eight nine ten years ago. So you keep Russell Wilson without them and that office of line whoever's back there's getting killed. So I have no issues with it. And they continue to be a playoff team. Because the Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson is amazing. He has thrown thirty four or thirty five touchdown passes in three of the last four seasons. That's a great number. And he the one year he didn't he was dealing with injury. Right. From the start week one. He heard he hurt his ankle or lower leg. And was just playing hurt and had a bad year. I think he was the number fifteen quarterback in point per passing. Touchdown number ten four point. He was number eight or better in those other three years as a big distinction consistency rate in two in the last two, right? But here's thing. Right. So two thousand fifteen number three quarterback and fantasy two thousand seventeen number one quarterback and fantasy and pretty weak year for quarterbacks would have been if you take his fantasy points Wilson in two thousand seventeen put them in two thousand eighteen he would have been number three. But last year, even though we had a one hundred ten passer rating, even though he was maybe best year as a passer it was the number eight quarterback and fantasy number nine and four point per passing. Touchdown these. So that if the touchdowns come down because of the attempts. Well, what's more likely to happen touchdowns, come down or attempts? Go touchdowns come down. I mean their offenses what it is. Also, the attempts go what we've seen the touchdown state over thirty. I'm not looking I'm not gonna pin them to thirty five over thirty. That's what you're going through more than though. I mean, he also had a career level Russia last last year. No, that's what I'm saying. Right. More than than previous years last year through. Backup. You can't pay them that much money to say go hand off Russ. Yeah. It does the contract change the often. No. I mean, the offensive coordinator still the same. They're going to continue. I mean, they showed you last year the tip their hand by spending the first round pick on Rashad penny. So now you have a situation where they didn't sign. Anybody to help the receiving core. And they're counting on Doug Baldwin who's in his thirties now to come back from three offseason surgeries and still be a premier threat for them. Yes, they're getting. We'll dislo back. Okay. Is that a difference maker probably not? So you have an offense that is catered to control time of possession. And they're asking I said, it's not our program yesterday. They asked Russell Wilson to be superman at the end of games when they're close or trailing. And he's been amazing at it. And you should be amazing once again, but while he's still being amazing those go from thirty five to twenty five or twenty eight or thirty and then you have a situation where he's not the number eight quarterback. And he's number twelve we need to have this conversation again when heath is on. He hasn't ranked sixteenth. And so good for that. I get is. You know, I I don't like having him ranked where he finished last show that wasn't by design. I haven't ranked eighth, but I feel like he's closer to ten than he is closer to being a top five quarterback. I don't expect them to be drafted as quarterback. We had this discussion about who. The guys are probably going to be based on average after for your purposes. Ryan that's going to be most likely, Mahomes, Rogers luck, desha Watson and Baker Mayfield. Just based on perception that was the case in the last draft. We did Russell was going to be an amazing value for you. Because he's still a good to great fantasy quarterback. But you just have to worry that if the offense as the same and the touchdowns do for whatever reason decline, you're gonna be this point. Right. I wanna ask you about Todd Gurley. We had an article about girly. He addressed his knee. And I'm just gonna read from the sports article during his interview on Monday girly offered a simple not really when he was asked. If there was any discussion about having a procedure done on his knee. This offseason Gurley was also asked if there was a long-term plan in place for his knee. And he was he responded to that by saying that he's more focused on the present, quote, all I need to worry about. That is how I'm feeling right now. I don't know how I'm going to be feeling six months from now. So like, I said just kind of keep working hard doing what I've been doing these past couple of years, and quote, and then he was asked about the arth rightous. And he said all I can focus on is how I'm doing right now. It. It was not as store that really inspired confidence. Because see he didn't give a clear cut answer about the condition of his knee. That's right. If your knees fine by Ashi about your knees, or I'm guessing you're not gonna say, well, I'm going day-to-day. See what's happening? I can't really talk about it on you. I actually have been he's. Well, believe that. He's. He was still be. Yeah. No, that's a concern. And I've actually toyed around the idea of drafting a running back. They don't have a lot of draft picks this year. Let's say they have they have seven so they have some. So they can actually address running back -sition, but you have to wonder given those comments you just mentioned as in the way he finished the season that certainly weighs on you as a football fan as a fantasy owner. And obviously if you own and or coach the Rams themselves. I don't know what to make of it. I don't have a lot of confidence. Like, you said in what's going to happen in twenty nineteen and also this could have possibly pay played a part in levian bell. Not getting the money that he thought he deserved sitting on a year they pay early and then Todd Gurley did what we saw him do. All right, two more notes than we'll get back to the NFL draft. I'm gonna give a controversial take your chargers are gonna use their their powder. Blue uniforms is their home, uniforms. Here we go you don't like him. I don't like. And Ryan Fitzpatrick is in bad shape because birthday parties he is. He blamed the birthday cake at treasure. He he has seven kids three of them have January birthdays, I think three of them have marched birthdays. So he says there's a lot of his kids birthday parties their friends birthday parties eats a lot of cake, and the Deutz overweight, but he's got some time to get rid of those pounds. All right wide receivers in the NFL draft. We have had you on previously to talk about why receivers, but let's have that conversation all over again, who's your favorite became gas? My number one wide receiver. We mentioned the four three forty around. Combine he is a straight line deep threat. He's not going to be running a lot of cross around. His you know, we talked about sort of the drills and the time to combine he had a three cone drill. That was literally slower than Tom Brady's back in two thousand. So that's a concern. If that's one of your things scouts say, listen, if you all you do is run really fast. That's not gonna last the NFL you can sort of defend against that. But. I mean, he is a specimen. He reminds me a little bit of Josh, Gordon. He reminds some people te'o. So I think in the right system, you can have a lot of success and sort of getting back to Jamie said about the Seahawks offense. If you watch this draft show forty six on Thursday, Jamie can maybe make Desi office more explosively check that out. So he's number one receiver a guy another guy like allies keen baller? Dave Montgomery's teammate, Iowa State six five rent four four three or something insane. Huge hands huge catch radius makes a lot of place down the field. Much more agile much more versatile than what it can do than than decay Metcalf. The only issue for he and Metcalf. Both is that they drop a lot of passes. So that's also not something that will get you in the graces of your office coordinator. But just athletically, they are off the charts the ability that they have to sort of change games. Who was the second one came bucking ball state. Okay. Yeah. I'm looking at the CBS sports NFL draft prospect rankings. You don't do those and he's like tenth. Yeah. That's the thing. He's polarizing dollars. Very exactly right. Dave. He could be the first guy off the board twenty two twenty three and the first round or he could be a third round pick. If you're looking for more consistency. Kelvin harmony NC state six to only four six, but I I see them play in person you watch him play. He has no trouble getting open. And that's what the NFL teams concerns are played with good quarterback in college Ron Finley. But he doesn't drop passes runs. All the routes checks all the boxes of going to cliche. So he's the guy if you're looking for more consistency as a big target. He's also option. So who's the number one off the board? You think it'll be Metcalf. His I thought Markey's Brown was trending that way. You're right now. That's right. So there's a again, polarizing decay Metcalf fits that descriptions. Well, Markey's Brown five nine one sixty six. That's like that's a little more than me. But barely. Lodging. I t's healing significantly bigger. Why way maybe a little bit more? But that's about the same height. See I was thinking like you said I play. And it's it's funny watching Kyle Murray marquees Brown play because both these teeny tiny on each other's. I know and there's big I bowler. But like the speed is just unbelievable scout say believable, see, I'll tell me that. No one is faster with the ball in their hands and Markey's Brown. Emmanuel hall kid played with through Laka Missouri's six two. He is faster straight line, but Markey's Brown with Ballance hands. So abilities the issue there as if you're one hundred six pounds and Terrell. Suggs likes you up. What's the rest of your week going to be like, but he is amazing. What's the size 166, right? Yes. So TY's five ten eighty three. So he's a little bit bigger. But we've seen kills small. Yeah. Is Brown inside outside both everywhere everywhere sweeps. That's right. When you're right. And you know, what we're starting to see you're gonna see this a lot. I spoke to several guys at the Pro Bowl. Devante ads. News coming out with the Packers. They're gonna play him a lot in the slot. You're gonna see a lot of number one guys. I remember 'cause I was gonna destroy Elman asking several defensive guys, Chris Harris. I remember talking him is element the best slot receiver that has been in the league in the last few. He goes, no. And he didn't mean to disrespect him. And he said Hopkins plays inside. He said Adams plays size Beckham plays inside. We were just discussing Mary's Thomas at his peak plates inside. There are guys that are we think of number one guys playing the slot now because it's such a mismatch. So again, devante ends is the latest one that we're hearing Bruce Arians is kind of. I think the trend setter with this. He moved Reggie Wayne inside when he was the interim head coach for the colts, Wayne was at the town square Hines ward same thing in Pittsburgh. Larry FitzGerald had three straight years of one hundred catches moving into the slot. It's gonna be Chris Godwin's role now in Tampa Bay. But Davante Adams is going to play in the slot. So in terms of Brown, you could play basically anywhere in and back off that there's another Brown age Abraham became teammate six to two thirty two twenty five. He is a big quote unquote slot receiver. He's a juju Smith Schuster type guy, and he is a volume catcher. So those guys middle of field big yard after the catch guy. So he is probably more upside fantasy wise than decay met cab just because he's going to get the ball more consistently. He's running rouse where he's catching the passes with higher accuracy. And some teams like. Better than than decay. I think he's the most slot ready receiver in this draft. Literally if your teammates slot wide receiver you can draft AJ Brown, and he will start their week when I don't know good is on the I think he can do he had to play the outside and got hurt. Right. He made plays. I wasn't as impressed with him. When in the slot. It's just it's it's a great thing for I just had this thought come through my head. I dunno. If this ever happens to you fantasy thought where we're talking about marquees Brown, and how fast is how you said fastest guy with the ball scout said that that's sort of obviously not a scout. But that's sort of how I felt about Calvin Ridley going to last year is super fast with the ball in his hand six foot one Markey's Brown's five foot nine so I don't know knows is a bit of a random topic. But I just feel like Calvin Ridley could just have how does he compare these prospects would be my question for you? But for Dave and Jamie, like, I think there's so much potential here. I know here's a field Julio Jones, but I think how really has star potential, and I think he flashed it a little bit last year. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, you know, the problem will be for him. No one feels like he can do what he did last year. Exactly again. Well, the hope is that the catches and yards go up while the touchdowns somewhat. Yeah. Right. You don't wanna you? Don't wanna see go from ten to three when the all sun becomes an eleven hundred dollars cheaper. If that's the case. Like juju had a great rookie season Dinsmore touchdowns. And then took took a giant leap in terms of his catches. And we didn't know your your ago that use misuse was a superstar. I don't know if he's a super sub as star. We didn't know right church too. I thought he'd be a star. Did you think it was good receiver not this? But I mean, right. Like, I'm wondering if Calvin Ridley is is is the next juju? He he certainly could be he certainly could just unless assignation if you like Calvin maybe like his brother Riley, really who's coming out of Georgia. Not nearly as fast has great hands. It's ten and having chance which huge hands by any standard. He's a great route runner which clearly runs in the family. And he's guy could be a second or third round pick. Another high volume guy runs, really good. Like, I said may struggle to get open on the outside. But you could be inside guy that has some success as on if you want to read drink again, but p goes better, it's one of the best articles. He's he does every year. And I was joking. I don't usually praised Pete publicly, but this article in twenty sixteen David Johnson on and Pete was saying from the time he started watching tape to when he saw him in Arizona to before he stepped on the field as a rookie David Johnson's going to be a star. And then he showed flashes as a rookie superfast kit as a rookie. And then we saw the second season what he became. So he has there's four receivers he has on that list. I'm not remember all of them. But I believe it's Ridley miles boykin from Notre Dame. Devonport maybe. Stanley Morgan junior Raza. Yeah. And I'm not sure the other one is but Stanley Morgan guy like to another big guy who can play insider out. He's a deep cut a lot of Nebraska even other offenses and great and one guy in Ryan you could attest because he's been saying since the the beginning is Paris Campbell. And you have the right comp from day one. When we talked about it at the combine it's kinda just matching the offense. But Percy Harbin guy that made a lot of plays near the line of scrimmage in an urban Meyer offense. That's what Percy wasn't Florida and similar build fast guy. He was one of at the time when he ran his forty he was the fastest forty got beat. But just speed upon speed. And can do a lot of things with the ball and win the right offense where I think he can make some more plays down the field. Campbell's going to be another guy that you want to keep an eye on just to. I don't know that we talked about policies that we didn't kill Harry talk about him. But yeah. So he was a third round pick come into the combine. He is another guy who looks like Judas misuse or the fear was that he was gonna run a four eight of the combine four or five. Three Judy four five four when he was at the combine he didn't have any trouble at running people at the ball in the hands. So can kill Harry get open by himself. That's the question. Can you do that? But he has again strong hands Contessa catch guy you throw the bowl anywhere. Now. He's gonna come down with it. And he can box is out of Gary Jennings was the other receiver fast guy to West Virginia. I think the the thing with Nicole Harry right now, if you look any dynasty rank list a lot of people have them at the top. Yeah. Maceio Hera than than decay Metcalf more so than Brown than than Markey's Brown. He's the one I think a lot of people look at and say he could be the best fantasy receiver now again destinations going to be a big key of that. But if you look at any of the like. Like, I don't wanna say who have on the couple. Oh, DIO football nicely football. I think he has at the top of his list to. Okay, I think he's a good physical receiver. But I I don't know if you noticed this Ryan. But when he played against press coverage, he had a hard time getting off of it. But he can use his power to get open. That's right. He's I think he can be a very good number two receiver for somebody's team. That's right teams actually play press coverage still in the NFL. Yeah. They will if they think that they can beat you with it. But like the Jaguars for example, have two of the best cornerback certainly one of the best cornerback do and they don't play Princeton. So you don't see a lot as much as you used because missiles, plenty of man around the NFL. Oh, you see, man. But guys scrimmage being physical with guys the same way that it used to be. I'm just thinking about how often they'll do that. If they think that that's how they can. Sure. So if he ends up in the AFC he's going to struggle with the times he faces the patriots. But you just you see it. I'm not saying you don't, but you don't see it to the same level of where it's. No. So impact that end and as a credit to Harry heated much better zone coverage than he did man in college. Titans show last question about library. Yes. Pretty good class last year. I mean Christian Kirk showed some promise the two first round guys really in DJ more showed some promise Dante Pettis. We like him a lot. I think it's pretty pretty good class. How does this one compare to last year's classes deep there lot? There's no quote unquote, superstar we talked about Metcalf, and and kill Harry J Brown, but it is deep and top. They came at the bottom. Someone like hunter Renfro who weighed one hundred seventy seven pounds, and he has less hair than I do flips in for twelve years. A lot of big catch makes a lot of big catches. And so he's a guy who has no discernible physical talents. But you get on the football field, and he makes place, but guys they're thirty is between those those two names. I mentioned that can come in and help you in various ways NFL team, whether you're big receiver whether you're slash receiver. Smaller big whether you're downfield guy burner. So there will be guys to be had from round one and guys that can make football teams all the way through around seven. How many in round one? Do you see going? I think the over unders probably like one and a half my over under Deka, I feel synagogue after twenty. I don't think he's gonna go before that. I don't think the bill's gonna take them at nine. They got a lot of guys cold easily and John Brown. Yeah. So I don't think they'll be there's too much unknown about him. I could see the patriots AJ Brown at thirty two for example, sort of alternative version of the slot. Guided Jillian twenty two ravens a twenty two. That's right. So one and a half, I'll say, but I think a lot of guys going around to and tight end TJ Hopkinson people very very excited about him. Is he a top ten dynasty pick teacher? How concern on the right scenario? If New England takes DJ Hopkinson, I think it's a slam dunk. Green Bay think is going to be a team that looks at end that could be a certain situation as well. That helps his his fantasy outlook feels like a top five dynasty pick is overreaction. If TJ goes to. It's interesting. With this group because their skill players are all good. They're just not great at least on the surface. That's why the Carla Marie question earlier like if there was a year where quarterback might go into top. But I don't know I'll go back to I don't know. If those guys are great Murray certainly can be a great fantasy option because of his legs. But also you have to worry about again fear of injury. So I don't know if the quarterbacks, but yes, tight ends could be of note again, right scenario. The patriots being the most obvious one with the loss of Broncos need is such a huge factor in dynasty drafts to how many dynasty teams need a quarterback for the future badly. Just think about how many quarterback is I can think so super flex lease fine. I both of my dynasty leagues. One is a super flex league. I'd need a quarterback. Okay. So you might be a candidate to take it so hard because you know, you're probably not getting much out of him in his rookie season. Well, if he's airs Ona's quarterback, you might get a lot of them. You might you might. Yeah. Yeah. It's. It's it's true. That there are so many quarterbacks right NFL that everybody loves fantasy that if if you're dynasty team, you probably don't need one. Even if you're a crappy dynasty. I've got a crappy dynasty team. I've got Wentz Brady and Rosen. There's no chance to we Tyler Marin interleague trade. All right. So Hawkin and then Noah fan both out of Iowa. Do they both go in the first round? I think so. Yeah. Depending on who you talk to Fant goes before Haga said fan is more. Evan Ingraham Hopkinson compared to tribes Kelsey and rock mccaskey. I think he's a little fresher. I'd rather be compared to them than evidence. Yeah. Yeah. So it just depends on what you're looking for another team that that means Hodkinson more complete whereas fan more looks than line blocker. He's pretty pretty nasty their fan can block. But his thing is too you can flex them out and have he's really who's a better fantasy prospect. That's a great question. I was going to say sort of following Jamie mentioned with if Hoxha goes to New England Steelers could actually take tied in twenty as well. So if someone goes there, I don't know what that does for your for your fantasy purposes if. You think that fantasy setup for better fantasy career? I think it just comes down to to where he ends up. Because like you give you the Rams as an example, look at the two guys on the Rams higby plays a little bit more Everett. If he was featured could be great because he's more of a fan. You know? I mean, he's not not as dynamic. But you know, you get you get the chance to be in an explosive offense where you're used right? Like look at my consecutive year. He was considered the better, maybe. But you know, you look at Seki he was not necessarily a blocker. Look like you could be a premier playmaker goes to a team that needed it. And does nothing. So if you tell me no fan ends up in Green Bay and Hopkinson ends up in New England. That's gonna be a tough call on who's the better of the two. Okay. Jacquards constructed by Jacksonville enough, Philadelphia. Is he Zakar it's the fantasy superstar or is. He I guess my question is they go to the same team. You know, take team aside. Fan. So let's just say they both fall to the end of the first round and Oakland takes both of them. I'll probably take hawk. It's over. But even the Green Bay versus New England where they're similar situation could work. You know, it's like gronk and grandma all over again. That'd be great. And then Irv Smith junior your third tied in he is. But he's a little smaller. Six two reminds me a little bit Delauney Walker. And there are a lot of things like about them not featured in Alabama. But that's because he's in Alabama's offense. Jay stern burgers after that. He's a he can block a little bit. But he's more careful about Sternberg Adam pissed off the entire Texas by saying that he's not a good player. Oh, what you pissed off the whole Texas AM fan base. When we had the discussion. Good point never this. Yeah. You said he wasn't a good player. Okay. I have no idea we're talking. I don't remember that either. When I say this when we discuss the titans a few weeks ago. Yeah. I don't know who Jay stern. But I don't know anything about on. You got a boatload of crap about saying something negative about him or about the program. I think maybe there was some confusion from Twitter that you didn't mention. Texted him, Jason Morrow. Yeah. I never said you didn't say anything bad about him. I think there's maybe baby thing the wrong thing about what you said about him. But I think. Somebody definitely pissed off the fan base star hers. Good. So if anyone asked you he he's he's super bass term burger that he sucks. Jalen Rashard of. Put a name to watch and have to mention purse. Go mentioned this on his better than team is Holly wearing out of San Diego State played water polo in high school only one year of high school football came San Diego State. He literally didn't know all the plays. When he was out there learning just learning the rules the plays. And he's a fantastic athlete has a lot to learn huge upside type guy, but he can go around three he's that athletic. But Jason is fifty. I think I think so right. So Irv is third jase. And then Keighley wary make sense there, and they're a bunch of other guys like fos Moreau LSU who ran like a four six, but LSU he wasn't getting featured. So you don't know exactly what he was wearing though. I mean, they don't throw the ball very much. That's right. And the few times he was out in past patterns and catching balls, you're like, okay. This guy clearly is better than everyone else on the field. But it's just a matter being team where we're as you point out. Jimmy wasn't featured. What can you tell me about Isaiah see right out of Fordham is AC? Right. I don't know. Okay. He's the last one rang. And I said any football. He's gotta be thirty this year. He's not gonna drafted. I don't know. I say, yes, I thought I'd have with that. I wonder if the lowest ranked one that you could give me a bio on. Let's let's go like, let's let's try CJ Conrad Kentucky. He's a Kentucky. That's right, Kentucky tight end. I haven't washed employees, but I know actually scouts were impressed with them as pro day Kentucky players pro days that were sort of margin. So he could be a day three day three seven around. So he could have said anything that was you know, everything that he said outside of Kentucky. Yeah. And he would play Georgia. Actual okay. Okay. CJ? Conrad was twentieth. In our rankings twenty fifth is a Pac twelve tight end. He was a senior. He'll Wilson UCLA. No, six foot four two hundred fifty pounds. Oh, he went to Washington. He know his last name is similar to a famous, New York, Yankees left-hander, supportive wealth Tyler petites. Okay. I don't know. Petite Andy Pettitte yet similar. Okay. So if you said he did steroids the top. The top. I won't ask you pass the top twenty tights. Good stuff. Any other questions guys? We're about done here who are last time CBS sports HQ tomorrow Thursday night, they night four o'clock Thursday late afternoon. Four o'clock if you're in the Pacific time zone that'll be what one o'clock what o'clock lunchtime. You. It's going to be a lot of fun. Like, you said there's a Commissioner Chris Astles CBS sports as kyu-ho six of us are taking at least four teams. And that means you get to like make traits and stuff too. If you there there, there are some trades being discussed give me a trade that's going to happen. There's there's one that's being discussed. I have the second overall pick as the forty Niners. And we'll Brinson as the lions at number nine who are number eight are trying to have the bills are trying to move into the top three. So we'll has been pestering not only myself at two but also himself because he represents the jets so will is having a very tough decision. And discussion if I turned down his trade offer trade with himself to get into the top, July or candidates trade downright jet missing some picks, the jets would love to trade down because they don't need a quarterback they have their guy, and they feel I'm sure the ask will to ask himself the question, they feel like they. Can still get a pass rusher? Which is what they need. If they stay in the top that. All right. I'm really looking forward to this drafts should be a lot of fun. Even though it's going to be a lot of pass rushers at the top still may not be the most fantasy relevant draft. And he'll be a good one. A lot of good linebacker. We'll definitely relevant. It may not be finished relevant with stars right away. Yeah. Everything. Yeah. Okay. We'll say there will be ten twelve players from the straffed. Yeah. Yeah. In our fantasy drafts this summer. We don't get to where saquon Barkley went or anything like that. But. Mccafe's gonna be really fun of never seen a specimen decay back. That's probably wrong. The one guy I'm really interested to see where he ends up. Thanks for listening. Everybody. We'll be back on I believe Tuesday and certainly on Friday after the first round of the NFL draft. And then again on the following Monday after the final two rounds of the NFL draft. I enjoy your holidays this weekend day for Jamie. We wanna think Ryan Wilson for coming on.

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New Year, New Look

"What's going on everybody. Welcome back to I take where you live for about behind predict here at pierce seventeen. It was a rough Sunday night for two big. D's biggest stars against that Saints Defense Zeke had only thirty five yards on eighteen carries in with no running game struggled to get anything going on offense as the cowboys scored only he ten points in New Orleans. We all know deck is playing for a new contract. We welcome back Damien Woody to the desk. I want to start with you. Should the cowboys pay top quarterback money no no they should not. I WanNa ask you guys a simple question. Okay if Dak I got were to hit the free markets you think the team would pay him the top top of the market at UB position. I do not know I do I. I I mean no. I do not think team would pay Dak Prescott make him the highest paid quarterback in the national. I wouldn't but I think it would I don't I don't I don't see that happening. You're talking about thirty four thirty five million dollars per year. I don't see that I listened Dak Prescott. No people want to talk about his record. His record is is is pretty damn good. There's no no disputing that but I also which you got to look at what the Dallas Cowboys is the way that Jerry Jones and company had built the team around Dak Prescott elite offers line although they didn't show it against the saints the Saints bullied him in that game while receiving core trading the four Mario Cooper was was a was a big coup for for the Dallas Cowboys all finished you gotTa Zeke Elliott in the Backfield and leave so you have all those things going for. Oh you if you if you debt Prescott last last week you play against the New Orleans. Saints Defense doesn't even give touchdown and you can't can't elevate your team enough to win a game against the New Orleans Saints Team. That doesn't have drew brees but you won't meet a pay you thirty four thirty five a million dollars in here. Are you crazy now. Listen we all know how this stuff works. Guys Leapfrog each other. What's gets paid? Then go comes right behind him and gets paid. That's just how it works. So will he get the money. Probably you probably get it but should he. We do deserts. Get it no because I don't see a guy who elevate who when things on perfectly round him offensively when Zeke Elliott isn't getting things going the running game isn't getting things going does he elevated Dallas Cowboys Office and put them on his back. No He's never been that type of guy. Ah there now listen. I agree with you. If it were me I wouldn't have given gough the contract got. I wouldn't give back the contract. He's looking for life life. Women at least golf has been one in one of the best office anyway and he took the Los Angeles Rams in Super Bowl Wayne. I'm with envy left. Wentz out of this because wentz capable of higher heights than decker golf in my opinion House Goff looked since early hasn't been right right that includes the super bowl. It looks most quarterbacks need a running game in order to do their thing even Aaron Rodgers unfortunately never really had add that play action monster with him. Could you imagine but rodgers can elevate past that mahomes can elevate past that we're talking about the most talented quarterbacks of of all time everyone else pretty much needs a running game right so if you stop that GonNa look ordinary but actually that usually comes through under a pressure that has a winning record partly because he's good on third down. He's big on those big moments. I agree with you. A gay manager big on third down cool under pressure is what Tom Brady Brady and Russell Wilson originally were before it became star and go player right and maybe go in that direction. It looks to me like he is going in that direction. Maybe he's not there yet. I wouldn't give him the money if I were running a team but the reality is based on the market and the way he's played this year. He does deserve what he's looking for. He deserves what he's looking for. Damien woody and the bottom line is this you sit up and say we don't know I don't have a problem problem with that. I have a problem with people like you and others who act like we've seen enough and we know definitively what that cannot do. The fact that a mad is working the first three years of his professional career under Scotland Eoghan. It was primarily a run intact. They go with Zeki. Elliot takes you. You gotTa Kill Him More Energy and new offensive coordinator first time first year. He's got things to figure out your dad. You throw for four hundred plus yards the first game of the season against the giant. You didn't have to do that against the redskins. You beat them. You certainly didn't have to do that against Miami. Thirty six or your first real test came against all these last sweet. Zeke Elliott got his money. He went up to thirty five yards. He ever listened to yards carrying now. We know what to do but the bottom line is. That wasn't a good gave him. What do we know oh about deck. He's never missed a game. He's thirty five and seventeen as a quarterback. He's a two time pro bowler. He's been to the postseason twice. He's wanted the vision twice and on top of it. All Oh God within this division like a costume with who no doubt is the big Tom Talent. Excuse me he's been hurt. Never even showed up in a postseason game because of his durability issues and this do gets a hundred and seven million guaranteed. What I'm saying is this. Do I want to set the mark with Dak Prescott. No do I want to act like he's the best and making the highest Bay quarterback in the NFL fell hell. No I get that part but if cost and Wentz deserves thirty three million dollars all right which is what he's supposed to get paid in a hundred seven million guarantees because of what he's doing the position he's in what he's been doing in his career what the hell does Dak Prescott Makes Jared Goff sitting up there and looks like straight garbage under Jeff Fisher but then looks lights out against Sean Sean mcvay before it scaling it back a little bit and he's had some rough patches and he gets a hundred and ten million million dollars. What does Dak Prescott deserve under those circumstances. That's how I'm looking at has been the super bowl no has been mentioned as an MVP VP candidate like like caution. No do you think Dak Prescott. It's better than cost. I don't think he's better than you guys think kiss class. I think he's a clutch clutch. Play not only do I play. I think he's dependable reliable. I think there's something to be said for that and I also think that again last week against the saints. There's no Michael Gallup their Amari Cooper was under locking bilateral okay. Thanks got off saying you just look at some of the circumstances wrong. He got to work to it all. I'm trying to say that in today's game. We'll see people get paid that don't necessarily deserve it and I'm saying we can't definitively the Tivoli. Sit Up there and say that about that when a man is winning football games and other cats ain't necessarily doing that but they pay Matt Ryan. What's he doing Matt Staff. What's he doing kirk cousins. What the Hell is eight and also and also don't wait listen listen. I'm not knocking the whole kirk cousins or anything like that but but when you're talking about the resources that the Dallas cowboys have put around deck now over the years. They put one all of that. We don't mark on board games. Caesar offered two games into the season the officer the officer line that they put in the deck Scott. Okay wait a minute. Wait a minute. What are you ask a question yeah. You and I had a discussion last year. We talked to this. We talked about this yeah. He you didn't have Amari Cooper till seven games in we said that's the first time he had a number one colby and right so I'm saying if the personnel that you've got to work with matters and so now he has not we want to sit up there and say let's see what he does season but the point is if you look at what he has done since he's had those upgrades great the the fact that the Matt is football is as you know better than anyone is. An interdependent sport was Troy Aikman. A great quarterback was Emmett Smith a great running back. They absolutely benefited from playing behind a great offensive line. That's just the way it is of course stack benefits they he has has everything a great offensive line a number one receiver a number two receiver number three receiver with high upside a veteran tight end who knows what it's about aw great running back. He's even got a dynamic play calling offensive coordinator now like he has everything except for. Maybe a great head coach right. That's benefits him. John Elway didn't win a super bowl. 'til he got a running game. How many players can elevate over of course the player benefits from what's around the Max. All I'M GONNA say is this. The Dow's cub was defending. Give a touchdown and you're talking about the guy who you WANNA pay make the highest paid quarterback in basically in history for a minute in history but in his next in line the count was to to get enough points at school gets as a team with a backup quarterback in the same food on bought out against Miami uh-huh Miami my limit okay let me address you so he bought the Miami Dolphins okay he bought out against the New York. Giants do not often a risk okay. I'll give you listen to my point. I'm saying to you I understand in your point about the seeds what else what else. Let's say you're saying it's like like war evidence okay. It also suggested I ask you something more. It's just that I ask you about the second time you saw God and what does that mean. He wants to divide us. Why would that divide us Bishop now. I don't plan on my and now the question is he having visions a super bowls that was a clip from the CBS hit show evil were now joined by one of the the stars of that show Mike Colter welcome to I take thanks so much for being here with us again. I mentioned the vision because I know your big cowboy's Fan. You heard us just debating. Thank you feel like this could be a year that they could actually get it done. We look. Let's get a closer no incident. I Stephen Surprising because honestly I'm over it. I know what's up what's up. I've seen store before a wake me up. Wake me up when they get a new coach and weak member and got a new owner. I'm sorry new new new everything I'm sorry this is is. This is the reason from the top to bottom. We had the same thing every year. They're convinced that they can do things a certain way. They can't let me get destroyed because this is a key moment. You might actually make because I've been mad at you. 'CAUSE I like the way he treated. Montgomerie gene girls trip. We had an arrangement remember this Eh. She's too gorgeous for talk. Let's move on believe talk to me. You Ain't seen let me say. Let me say this to you. Am I sitting before it. Got Dallas Cowboy Fan that is willing to acknowledge national TV TV that you don't assume they're going to win the super bowl this year not having assume they're going to win the Super Bowl in years I go. I'm it really is meeting. Land is one of the things that I've watched on your show. This is if I'm I'm a realist I look at it and I go with stopping them. Is there's a culture there that they just don't have when you watch someone like New England patriots who I'm not a fan of you. Watch them how they deal with adversity they refocus. These guys can't focus no matter what you do when the going gets tough. They do some of their coach out. There that you think should be the next. Ah Listen like Gruden people get things but you have to have pieces to work with you. Mike Gruden in there. Someone who has a disciplined somebody comes in that can kick inspire and it'll change things but Jerry Jones not having he doesn't want anybody. That's right see you with this when you stay until he sells the team until you get rid of the owner. Jerry Jones to me turned a corner a couple years ago when they didn't draft Johnny Manziel when Stephen Jones took more control of the Tina and they started drafting draft linemen those decisions the question is can Jerry Jones hire a guy who's going to get credit to coach the but no one wants to work because they know this situation. No scenario is not going to be in favour eventually. He's GONNA put his hands on. It and he's not going to let he won't leave it alone. He won't leave it alone. He has he's at the Lincoln Riley highly and there you see what Lincoln Riley does with quarterback imagine what he can do with that. Look look at the rams can hurt. He might might make Jalen hurts third consecutive. It is right but Jerry Jones problem ever since way back in the day is if somewhat Jimmy Johnson if someone else's getting credit he can't take it. You're saying it's still that way to front. Sometimes you have to just look at craft again craft fan. I'm just saying sometimes you have to just sit back and sit in the back and let people and do the job. This is what you have to let me ask you this. Since you're a realist also Lakers fans correct right. Braun still got it you think he's still the best player in the NBA that titled to Me Is Flexible. I did that doesn't need to be person who has the title of the best in because look. I'm a fan and I go back when Kobe was missing. VP's they should you'd have gotten. It's a popularity contest. What people feel emotionally is what they go with so you're telling me the broncos player it's arguable look at stuff and go steph size powerful. How great you look at look at Durant durant attitude. He's not as as you know. He's at the same kind of personality Lebron which you go. He's an assassin if a- aside from that injury that are that's another ring. I'm sorry it was when he stepped on the floor is like who at that moment those minutes and then and then get back to me like if you put coli on the state and Durant on Toronto though but you'd say Kay do his thing you Katie any situation. You always recognize talent game recognize. This game took a team to a teen great. Everybody was like Oh this is too easy. It's not easy to step up in a great team and then have the ball a little less than always be efficient always work. Things are because a lot will fall apart. His efficiency is what makes him so great the consistency of his efficiency. Everybody keeps talking about all right. He wanted to title Golden State. Dash is true but a player that he was. He was always that guy no matter what here's the difference in in San Antonio not quite a super team but doing team won a championship goes to Toronto. It's not a super team won. A championship turns down the Lakers. He would have formed a super team said I just need one other. Dude get me Paul. George and I'll go there watching an ultra critical about cooper because I know he's a top five. He's elise big time my only problem with MACs when he's he's bringing up. KUWA- golden state did just have not have may de de Wyoming Hampson her from game to let me say even without k. I Have Klay Thompson was healthy to all series. I think they would have beat them. Exactly I mean think I don't think so but you could argue. They barely won six games. They basically were without three players and they still went six games to beat him if he was that good and they were that it would it should know. Toronto isn't that Great Toronto's a nice little team who added Leonard and then won a championship. Happy Durant was GONNA sweep. How's that if the direct we're playing healthy shit we minimum maximal five games. I'm put it this way convinced. Businessweek durant joined the team that by the skin of their teeth lost in seven games to Lebron James in fact game seven because I rebel data game. Yes you series seven okay even play in other words. They wouldn't of lost if dray according to you right. Katie joins a team that you're claiming should have been back to back champions after winning seventy three games and you guys WanNa give them. All the credit for winning championships quite never did that but he's got to look finals. He's GonNa do this. I never said this on the air before but I could say one and a half in eighty one day. Thompson was in Jami couple cows oxen golden state first time they want against Ron didn't Kevin also you can say yes you can sit there and say all you consider the people in flop like blue would have won the first go round. Go to say with one a second. Let me ask you this ended up when it was three or four years early way was would there have been away for Golden State with K. D. and clay to lose to any eighteen no but it doesn't prove anything. The talent high enough doesn't prove anything okay fine but okay. Let's take Katie out or clout but make sure everybody's healthy one replace go out and still win. That's how that's how good they are. That's how good the system. I want to ask you this because I asked Stephen a two when Kawai wins his third finals. MVP repeat this season for his third different team. What will the excuse me. Are you guys working on your excuses. I'm not working on my Susan because I don't think the club is going to championship in Doc. Rivers is my main work in those types. Just don't believe that Lebron and ad are losing. I have to see that to believe that we have some of that. Can we ended commercial break. Mike can you stick around because we're talking more. NBA We'd like right where Regina Hall. That's all good the good to say so good. Don't mess with that go. I'm just saying GEICO PRESENTS MONSTER COUNSELING DRACULA. Tell me how you're feeling. No understands how known these no one will even let me into their house. I knock knock but they ignoring me what else I look in the mirror. I don't even see myself anymore. If you don't see yourself clearly. Can you really expect others to. I'm having a break through. It's not easy to be a vampire but with gyco it's super easy to switch and save hundreds on your car insurance the NBA expectations pins are through the roof at Stephen a smoothie King Center for their New Prize Number One overall Pick Zion Williamson. He's the runaway favourite for rookie of the year and takes over the franchise after superstar. Anthony Davis was traded to the Lakers. This offseason adding to the hype was this big dunk in practice Lonzo with the alleys. Zay Aren't with the oath salons. Oh what did you think of Zion's dunk. That wasn't the best passed but you deal with it. it's really hard thrown a bad luck shocked for second. We're used to seeing a senior. It's crazy incredible athlete. I mean I think hit the backboard. He caught it and then he don't the Pelicans opened their season against the defending Champs in Toronto Evil Star Mike Colter still here with us good to have you Max Evil Luke cage girls trip all lab just want to get data Max Winter Expectations for Zion this season. I think he'll be rookie of the year I think he'll be able to impose himself physically on the league just like he did in college. People are like well. He hasn't played against no no. No the ones played against anyone like him before. Actually he's one of those physical phenomena that phenomenon that it's like you see shock you see Lebron physically different real worry for just injury because when you go that fast and stopped and can stop that short and at that size like your in your Nike sometimes blow up right. You hope that you know knock wood. I don't even want speak it into existence as the kids say like you hope that nothing else blows up but otherwise he's going to be very Rinku the issue in terms of his ceiling as a rookie will come down to things like does he have enough wiggle in his game to get through traffic in the NBA especially Kenny shoot the ball aw but he's lucky to be in a situation where he is a lot of young developing pieces around him some of whom complement his play so he doesn't need to be the only guy hi doing stuff yet Ingraham. You have Lonzo action. You know obviously you have read it to shoot. You have guys on the holiday of guys on the team. That should help him. He doesn't need to be everything on that team. Let me say this. We showed those highlights already have a problem. I really have a problem. Folks are going to require me to do extra work worked and what I wanted to. I'm busy enough. I will have to be extra work schedules and I already know that's exactly what I'm going to have to do because guess what that dunk was quite the ordinary. There's nothing big about that dumb. From all right you know he elevated low bit and the pass was a little bit too high but he winning. God and they used so Alvin gentry. Damn good coach Passer Patent Office is great that tells me that everybody's GonNa try to blow up whatever he does just because he's not I will be watching. I'll watch them do I'll be watching them in the pros and I'm I'm not saying he's not going to do big things Max. I'm not saying he's not GonNa do big thing because we know that what he can do but you better do it. I don't WANNA see everybody goes. He's Dr. Hey you you know what he's shooting thirty percent from the field or something like that but he had three spectacular duct. He's a rookie of the year I want hit at what if what if the average is fifteen gene and eight and his team is five hundred at the end of the season but it's not a bad season at all not talk and I'm not saying I'm saying I expect him to do that. I like Zion a lot. All I'm trying to say is that in fairness to the other dudes. I'm going to require that. People don't just blow you up just because you do one or two good things sayings and they ignore your game on watching his game especially since we bring dude like Barkley we talk about the man child. He was comparing him to catch. Oh excuse me I Blake Griffin as a rookie blake as a rookie last year. I remember he's told them. Zion Winston is right about Blake Griffin and Barclay what what they did is rookies legacy there from us on Sean Kenton. Though some other got Mike thank his debuts more anticipated than lebrons Brian. I know this is an odd year because the NBA so exciting everything happening in La but Zairean in particular versus Lebron is as I remember. I don't think as quite as big but I know the. NBA is desperate for another prodigy to step up because Lebron. You know look what three how many years I don't know I mean he's been doing other things things you know. I think Zion's of prodigy innocence but here's the thing. How many years did he play Zion one year. Do that's my problem with this. Every time me look around you look at the biggest stamp the big sample size guys don't stay long enough and so we're watering down there opportunities to degrade players so yes one person out of two hundred may finally develop into something we expect because they all come. US assume they don't develop again. Let me explain Shawn Kemp six and a half points rookie thirteen William Dumping. It can't think about clump but that's another day deal we we are living in an age with social media is to Graham twitter facebook all of this stuff to reach that obviously these athletes have and Xijiang beyon- still ain't ain't Lebron James Expert Digital Lebron James's on the cover of sports illustrated chosen one and his his game as a high schooler was carried on national television Dick by televised games. He comes into the process first game against the Sacramento Luke Twenty five opening night. Six eight a minimum of two thirty to thirty to forty at that time was a guard had the ball visit. We're not expecting that from Zaire. We set shooter a man child. That's two eighty could finish each to eighty nine. You move out to wait when he come into Dunkel you now most instances is is a big big boy. No doubt about it but the flip side is the ball and skills the overall versatility of his game that Lebron had come into the League drawing comparisons to Jordan. He was wearing Jordan's number twenty three. We ate talk about a different. It's a different thing. Zeon is more like the way shot came into the league. He's a physical fee. Nom Okay and we can't see how it's of course not as high as shack shack seven one but he's a physical phenomenon. We can't wait to see if how that plays in the NBA. We expect great things. Lebron is different. Lebron came in the wake Kareem. Did that was so so much HOOPLA. There was so much media. You remember the HOOPLA. Would you want. was there a lot of law with Greene. Thank you do you do you wouldn't even let me ask you something is in your fund of knowledge yes or no that there was a lot of hype around. Corinne rape. There are no poor. You aware that the Beatles were popular her tired but you're aware of that. You would know you weren't born. I would've said I heard healthcare. That's all I'm trying. It was good at basement and I know that you heard me. Bring up the Beatles splitting hairs with you. Man The penalties Stevie one the point is Kareem surpassed the height an impossible thing to do Lebron. If anything lived up to or maybe surpass the hype. It's impossible able to do that kind of hype around Zion. No one expects him to be. The greatest player of all time is a different type because people don't care as much what's going on in. La If this was another year without being on the clippers and was in New York Lebron Zion was smooth arena it even if there was nothing you're right in terms of the amount of attention but in terms of expectations withdrew stephen brought up he's being compared to Barclay and Blake Lebron was being compared to magic and Michael cannot change subject because I need to talk about evil little about this show. Oh I love it man. It's a big change for me. I think the you know being on network. Show designed to reinvent the network because here's the thing you know. CBS is trying to do something different. I applaud them. I applaud all the new shows. The the lineup and evil is is the most unique thing they've done in a while. You know we have my character. David Kosta who is a guy who's training to be a priest who's changed his life a little little bit and he's working for the Catholic Church and he brings on this psychologist to help him find out what the root of evil and video was psychopaths sociopaths. Everything everything we deal with is something that you feel like you've encountered in your life so it's very very is very very familiar and so. I think it's a great show. I love the writers of the Kings. If you you like the good wife good fight you know if you don't mind me back to girls job would love it was Larry Grisha. How what do you feel that movie differ your career. You know it was one of those things where it working with. Malcolm Lee and working with that cast asked is one of those things where you want associate yourself with people who have who have some real credibility in in certain areas and for me. I'm always about diversifying. I WANNA be with people who I respect people who are known to do great work and people who have an audience. That's my thing is like a lot of artists want to do good work but they don't care if they're seeing. I'm like I'M NOT GONNA lie. I'm if I'm doing something I wanNA. I WanNa do something for people who are the product is going to get. I just wanted to bring it up because I also you can appreciate this molly. I wanted to give the sisters some love. Oh Yeah Tiffany Haddish the Queen of course Regino to give love giving the era just absolutely distracted by G J. It's four or five Regina like ten times. This year is worth the invention about ten. Oh my goodness say day to day. The Queen cancelled his older though all right be sure to on the all new episodes Jay viewing tonight at ten PM Eastern says the new movie coming out called black and blue that is October twenty fifth. We appreciate you deserve the law. Okay Kerry thank thank you kindly who'll be behind center for the Redskins on Sunday. Dwayne haskins replace case keenum and struggled in his NFL debut with re pigs and last week's loss of the giants Jay Gruden now now on the Redskins quarterback situation into a matchup with the defending champs. I'm sure you're asked us to. What's the planet quarterback right now. We don't have one right now. I'm GonNa go out her practice today. We have individual little work. We're going to do almost see the health of the guys first of all we're going that. I'll make Susan shortly so you expect to make a decision today. I don't know yet. I might just wait till Sunday at one o'clock figured out then Jason is that he does not have a quarterback planet yet. How do you interpret that Sunday overplays so ready to out to me. I think it's just further evidence Jay Gruden's trying to get fired. He doesn't want to be the coach Danny more. He knows they don't want him to be the coach. Any de eh Daniel longer. He's a lame duck coach and that is what it is and I feel very very sorry looking into Wayne Haskins. If you can't see from looking at the Wayne Haskins face the he doesn't know he's playing for coach who doesn't want him. I don't know what else is say. It's clear that he doesn't want to be in that situation with that coach and it's a damn shame that he's in there right now. Jay Gruden here's the reality of the situation. I reported just a couple of days ago. I had heard I got a phone call and I heard that Jay Gruden is done. He could be gone as early as this coming Monday after they play the Patriots that Dan he's not GonNa WanNa get rid of him prior to the Patriots game because you don't want to put an interim coach in there in that situation and your first day on the job you got to coach against the Patriots. He didn't think that was fear but Jay. GRUDEN should expect to be gone. Obviously I reached out to Adam Schefter Adam Schefter reported on NFL countdown. It's not a matter of if but when he's GonNa be gone but he might not be going this Monday but I'm hearing he could be going this Monday. We'll see he's done it but in the end what it comes down to you look at the Redskins they'll horrible. You'd you got the second worst running attack. Your third worst gets to run. You got the third worst defense. It gets to pass you got at the second worst offense overall. This is an atrocious team right now filled with dudes who don't want to be there because they're playing for that man. I asked the bottom line and so when you hear what you hear it and I think he was just joking about Sunday for it turns out. My name is Donna Quebec so I don't think he meant. He was clearly jokic okay but he doesn't appear to have any regard for his situation right now. He looks to be having one and a half out the damn door and Dan you snyder you who bought a way forced him to take the Wayne Haskins for what I'm hearing because Gruden they want Haskins he wanted Jones and if he wasn't going to get your Jones he would have preferred to defensive route which means Daniel Snyder must force them to do it in the end. You just have a coach. That's not on the same page is the owner. The coach was allowed to hide behind Sean mcvay for the first three years of his tenure in Washington since mcvay left. La They obviously have struggled. Washington needs to move all quick. Fasten the hurry to save save. Whatever you believe is in Haskins. Let me tell you something. Haskins has already been damaged by this is reputation and if you don't believe me just imagine if your team needs as a quarterback and just traded for Twain Haskins. Are you psyched about that. You think maybe a project. Maybe it'll work out. Maybe not still looking for a quarterback because he was the fifteenth pick in the draft craft and I thought he might have been the best player in the draft like you don't think it's damage yet. Just by game has no no not by the first game three picks by the Association nation with this organization by the way he's been handled so far the like here's the owner forcing something on the coach even if the owner believes no. Haskins is the guy if the coach doesn't want him and you really think he's the guy that you gotta make a choice between the coach and the quarterback prospect can't operate a franchise this way but this is apparently the way the franchise is operated. Imagine saying we don't know we're. GonNa do a quarterback. We might throw out our first round draft. Pick thicke rookie quarterback against the New England Patriots this year when the Patriots have a defense that looks like they used to have fifteen years ago. This is the best patriots defense. In how long has it been. Fifteen years. Defense is good for the Patriots spent a long time you WANNA throw him out against damn like the you have to take that. I feel bad for Haskins looking at him right there. He's already been damaged by this this what happens. I think Louis Riddick talked about this this what happens when when when number one people have agendas barely looks that way with Jay Grooten. It looks like he has an agenda toys dwayne he doesn't he doesn't didn't want J. A. Wayne Haskins and all the language and everything he's saying is playing out that that way when you don't have the front office and Kota step on the same page as far as a prospect is concerned. This is where you end up with. A washing. Asking is all right now. A guy who's a very very talented quarterback who may never get up off the ground as far as his professional football career is concerned because it happens a lot of times in national football league where front offices. Ono's kill the prospect before the gig going in this particular situation so listen. I feel sorrowful do I. I hope I hope to God they don't put him out the against New England patriots to me that would it wouldn't even be fair. It wouldn't be repair because I I feel like the page the pacers defense if she might be the best defense were under bill. Bill took his time there in the washing. If Washington would somehow how win the game what we were that ranking sports history upsets who no historical lows. We haven't even thought about that right. That's what I'm saying but but I'll have talked about look. I will say this to you to me. It's as bad as Haskins looked on Sunday. The reason he's a wide literally we're required as human beings who happen to be sports fans watches sports to have empathy and sympathy for this kid. He didn't have of any reps with the first team literally you literally put him out on the field. It will prepare it would be one thing if he's not ready but he had been been practicing with them all week long but you're just not good no no. Renault rats real literally sabotage him on purpose and even this is a comparison. You'll appreciate this and I hate to bring this up about it. It's a basketball now Z. years ago when Kobe Bryant Maxwell going Kobe Bryant shot those airballs Darrelle Harris got tired of Kobe running his mouth about how good he thought he was at the time and how he was going to be so due to the wolves against the Damn Utah Jazz with Stockton Malone and all of those boys and he shot those airballs or whatever not realizing that was started level of greatness which we have may not have seen most people in NBA history but the point is it was agreed because you knew he wasn't prepared but at least there were regular regular season games and you went out there and play them this. Guy Haskins had never played in the NFL and you just throw him out the with no what I really don't want what I really like about. It is if a coach has a problem with the owner of the front office. Don't take it out on the kid. Don't take it out on the question is was he sending a message today to Daniel Snyder. Find me get me out of here right but don't do at the side of rookie. Come on you need to do it. Curtain Torture Schneider in your opinion Snyder the rams take on the seahawks Seattle tonight. All eyes will be on one time girly. He's averaging Virginia. Just fifteen touches the game. This season career low five carries in last week's loss to the bucks but don't ask the rams back about that workload good game against Seattle. I don't remember it was last year New Year a new game. I think I've asked you. You asked this question before so take dance. I gave you last one hour. Remember you remember giving the question. Either girly is not having Max. How far can the rams go with the limited girlie. That's going to severely hamper them. They could still make the playoffs because they have a lot of receivers on that team a a lot like who's the best receiver on the ramp because they got a little bit. I guess I mean you know they have the. I think there's a good argument for Cooper. Cup and Jared Golf likes throwing the ball house. Robert Woods I mean I think he's a good resume here. All everyone you throw the ball to on that team is good but without the play action that Todd Gurley allows them to run. Golf is not an elite type of quarterback. He's not the MVP candidate you looked through a lot of last season with Gurley Gurley. I think there superbowl contenders and without him. I don't think they're contenders for the Super Bowl. I think they missed the playoffs. I think they missed a place because I think the NFC stack and and if you don't win the NFC west then you're battling for wildcard and I think between Chicago Detroit Green Bay Philly Dallas in obviously New Orleans to win the division Seattle in the division. I just think that it would be too much for La to overcome. I WanNa say this about Todd Gurley real quick. I feel bad for for him to because the report is not doing anything wrong by asking him the question but essentially you're asking him to devalue himself because he's not one hundred percent and his mentally might be one hundred percent but I did average nearly six yards over six yards a carry in game. One has been down to three the last three games last week. You gave me five carries you even a chance to do some things that they were doing it from behind but I understand his frustration because every time they talked to him they want him to talk about his injury and it's like Damn Y'all does get to a point where watch the Damn Game Women Draw Your own conclusion as opposed to asking him to devalue himself bar lamenting his State of affairs within the organization because of clearly an injury. It's not like there's something else going on. You know look back injury but you know what the organization did him no favours because Dan rea uh-huh because they want about this whole the whole term. NBA The whole low mass well. If you throw out the term of course everyone's going to be talking about how I did it right and then they denied it but he's not getting the he's not getting. It touches right so everyone's just left. Are you saying they should be asking SEAN ORMOC VAIS and the offensive coordinator as opposed to go into girly. WHO's out on the fan going like this. Give me the damn all time to see what I do with the pro. Here's the problem the rams we talk about golf girly. This is getting there could knock knock back up front. They're not because they're they're the worse than football but even there if you like if you have girly and off to run play action it changes everything. Changes is a lot of you got to protect the Max. Though I got a job I understand. There's a reason that girlie went ten in the draft. There's a reason to Eric's lowers went ahead of him and it was the leg like you know he has a wheel that that you gotta worry about no question when he's at peak physical condition only guy take over a mistake one like I think early is better than everyone else when he's a peak but will we ever see him in peak physical condition or on the Horn Seattle ago Seattle because listen short week people don't understand how short we got to travel to Seattle. That's is awfully tough to win. Those type of circumstances and Russell Wilson is playing Russell. What's having his best best year. I picked up to this point but those exact reasons to I think the rams are GonNa be playing with more desperation and I like them in an upset. Iran upset by the way I I will say they'll have to score gonNA listen. Even though they lost fifty five they still school oh forty last week so they're. GonNa have did throw sixty eight times. That's hard can hang that noise always on the road and I don't see it and social media what they think fifty five percent say the seahawks get the W. There shot pay off offshot. Surprise me you know.

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Measure Up

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Measure Up

"Welcome back to the Munich time show, featuring Lenny the only NFL podcasts where one of the co host would probably pay on the cones at the combine you guys can guess which those would be that person or the dog rather it's an exciting week in the NFL offseason combine week. It's like a little silly. There's a lot of goofy stuff that comes out of it. But I love it because it's sort of marks a transition to draft season. That's seasons spelled S C. And it gets us. Our first look at the guys we're gonna be talking about a lot over the next couple of months. We can start thinking about how they fit into the various teams we can over analyze and scrutinize the interactions between them and those teams. So we're gonna be joined in the second half of the podcast, but the professors created the player. Or assessment test? When you hear about prospects of the combine taking a psych test. That's what we're talking about. It's different from the Wunderlich. It's a something. That's fascinated me for a while. It's been going on for a few years now. And the teams use it to try to evaluate players mental psychological emotional makeup things will actually affect how they perform on the field. And there's actually been a demonstrated correlation between those results and performance on the field, which is very different from the Wunderlich. So I'm very excited to talk about that. But first, we're joined by a repeat guest. Someone who is in Indianapolis. It's field Yates folks, do I get? So let me ask you this. My second time what what point how long after this podcast goes live. Do I expect some sort of gift in the mail soup? Ing you just get there. Their second appearance. Yeah. At least happy of like, I don't know like even official ESPN headshot that you could sign and personalise. Well, I will post a picture of you being interviewed by Lenny, which is a gift in itself. Takes about your. I can't ask for anything more than that. You're right. Take my picture with Lenny really that is the cynical. I really hope Dominique Foxworth doesn't start asking for stuff because I think he's been. Times. Yeah. Well, your name is very appropriate for today because you are in the field. You got to Indianapolis last night rights till today is like the GM interview day. What's been the biggest piece of news that you've seen coming out of those interviews? Unquestioned? Biggest piece of news today that Nick foles will not be tagged by the eagles member about a month. Or so ago me there was at least a world that we could have been vision. We're both Nick foles and lady on bell received some sort of tag, obviously, lady on bell. We got the information two or so weeks ago from the Steelers that he would not be tagged and the Nick foles not tagged by the eagles. And it's really interesting calculation in my thing because if you're Philadelphia tagging, Nick foles, what it accomplishes is this it probably guarantees you trade compensation, and it also allows you to dictate where he plays next year at least in some part. But by not tagging Nichols. What it does in my opinion for Philadelphia's you probably are going to get compensation in the form of a competitor pick next year. And also means that you don't have to have twenty five million dollars cap space available to put on the books for Nick foles. Because even if a player hasn't signed his ranch. I stagger. He's. Still part of your cap calculation. So the minute you tag, agai all of a sudden, you gotta be that much money under the caps. Philadelphia. In a pretty calculated group here in not Haggi polls. Agree to I saw some folks praising eagles for their kindness generosity, which obviously they wanted to do right by foles. But I also think to your explanation this made sense for them. And it also perhaps suggest that there wasn't an incredibly robust trade market for Nick foles at that price. Now, we don't know that. But we don't soon we'll find out what actually the market for him is you and I are part of the NFL insiders panel. And I just answered about two questions about where I think we'll go in how much money he'll command. And as I was thinking through it field and thinking through the different teams that need quarterbacks and might be willing to pay a veteran. It's not a lot of teams right because Denver's got flacco. Now Washington needs a quarterback, but they're pretty pressed financially because of Alex Smith contract Miami is an option, but I don't think like they are in win now mode. Exactly. They to me look like. A rebuilding team. So I don't think it would be prudent for them to spend a ton of money on a vet. So you really kind of get to Jacksonville. Am I missing any teams that you think would be potentially bidders for Nick foles if the eagles had decided to trade him? Yeah. You know, it's funny Muniz you, and I know this for you for sure like we like to think outside of the box, but if they thinking outside of the box, but like, you know, not just necessarily find ourselves Washington group thing. But right now, the group's thinking to wear makes sense to Kohl's is Jacksonville. But the reason why is because it's the team that actually makes sense for Nicole's. Right. And for a lot of reasons or small who needs a quarterback who is like pretty good that can help them like go from in their own lines like good to potentially great. And also like from a cap construction standpoint. Like this team knows that they are kind of like if they are a piece away to quarterback, and they don't have the ability to wait on. Let's say they were to take to a Haskins in the first round like whether you wait Haskins is going to eventually be great or not. They don't have the time to wait on somebody like doing. Skains or some other rookie quarterback. They need to do this now. And I always say that when a head coach GM is now nst as returning for the final season for the next season. That means at like the pressure is on right when you have to announce the Doug Marrone, Dave call overturning for twenty nineteen the pressure is on. So I think that Jacksonville those these quarterback upgrade knows that the market right now is relatively slim the other than the Kohls. You're looking at teddy Bridgewater. Tyrod Taylor, I guess, right? This Patrick is terms of veteran option that the trade market is basically case keenum now. So I think that they make too much sense to not actively pursue them over the way, Adam Schefter tweeted that might be interested to so that right? They are sort of as the icing on the cake for the Nick bolsa Jacksonville train, and you reported earlier today that the restructuring Darius contract. There's a lot of moves. They don't have a ton of cap space. And there's a lot of moves they can make in terms of releasing Bortles that'll hurt but you'll get four or five million. The top of my head. I wouldn't be surprised if they move on from Jackson try to restructure Calleja. So let's keep an eye on there. I want to read another quote to you. And I want you to give me your reaction to this. And this is also segues into some of the draft prospects will be seeing over the next few days. It is from cardinals GM Steve time who said, and this is a fun quote because the inflections really will affect what you think. I'm just gonna read it in a neutral voice is Josh Rosen, our QB he is right now for sure what do you think field? By saying this, and I'm sure this is not at all applicable, but between Steve time and cliff Kingsbury. The cardinals definitely had the best dressed head coach and general manager do out here today to combine like this wasn't like standard issue Airismieni cardinals, gray sweatpants. They were wearing today. Like both brought the noise. So no surprise. But now back to dry out back to less important matters Apso Lutely, I think that was no worthy. And I wonder if so normally it's the inverse right where hey, a new GM takes over and everybody acquired by the previous GM is sort of on notice. Like, hey, there's no guarantee that you're gonna stick around here. We saw with John crew and the raiders even though he's head coach he's kind of GM to see with other situations not just in football. But really in all sports now you turn to the inverse or the GM drafted him. But like, I think right now the sales y'all the cardinals are putting on that. Like, this is the cliff Kingsbury air. The time. Is that fair to say, I think so I it's interesting, right? Because you mentioned the GM still there which is questionable given some of the stuff that's happened in zone, less years. But I remember when I had Matt Hasselbeck on the podcast, and we were talking about James Winston, whether the the bucks would move on. He said if the if organization that drafted the guy still there, if the GM another again GM that maybe some people thought wouldn't still be there. But if they're still there they're going to hold onto that first round quarterback. And I think that's right. So that's why this is so interesting to me because you're there's this potential conflict perhaps between the GM the coach. And I think you're right to point out that they are building around this coach now, which is to me what throws this. I don't want to say there's a controversy. But there's a question at least. Note about a quarterback investment is that a buys you at least one year of job security, right? If you are deep time, and you invest in calorie number one overall pick and that kinda gives you a new life. I would say, right. Like, it makes you more it gives you the chance to reinvent. I guess I just think that like it's sort of breeze another sort of era into the cardinals. And like you have this two over two. And I think that like that alone right there something to be mindful of like four kind of he's going to draft quarterback is that like kind of vise him almost like recharge the battery life a little bit too. Right. Like, hey chant. They continue to build this roster and not just a quarterback spot. But a lot of other spots. It's not like the cardinals are a quarterback away from being competitive, right? These probably or depth the wider Seaver. The offense of line is a mess right now. The defense pretty solid in some spots. But I think if you're. The cardinals. Like, I understand that you invested in Josh Rosen last year, there's a whole different level investment. When it's a number one overall pick in the draft if it's a quarterback. And I think by the way, a lot of people regard kind of as a prospect as you period too where Josh Rosen was last year really in. Okay. I wanna get to that principle. I clearly agree with what you're describing about GM's going for young guys, and it gives them a new life. Although it does sound a lot like fire festival discretion. But I mean, what is being an NFL GM if not running sort of fire festival in many ways, but I'm very intrigued by your I guess the fact that you think Keiler is more attractive or perhaps has a higher ceiling than Rosen that fair. I mean, so, you know, seen projections for Cuyler all over the place, and so the QB's are being measured. Sounds so weird. But whatever it's a combine everything about it's weird Thursday. I believe right. And then the drills are Saturday. Yeah. So with you, and I know it's the measure measuring day is the day. So like how how how much does it matter? And what are is it height weight both hand size? What are people gonna be looking at all? And yet I understand why. There are minimum thresholds. I do that's part of. Here's a reality about scouting. If that there's like two hundred and fifty six guys here at the combine this week, but there's like thousands of prospects that are being filtered through by NFL teams right now, this is not some simple exercise, and like it's a fairly small pool. And let's just make sure that we get through the most important guys. Like, they're a ton of players that you are going through a ton of players that, you know, we'll never talk about the NFL teams are filtering through right now and get into the bottom of. So I understand why thresholds exists and they are important. I made this point of recently on Twitter. And I think it's one that maybe is actually like to nuance for for a single tweet. But there are very few occasions where the difference between a quarterback being good and great or even batting good was merely a couple of inches of height. Right. Like, it's really difficult to discern. Like, hey, this player, really. He would have been great. If you've been six three not six feet thorough quarterbacks at of overcome their height deficiency. And it's not like, you know, height is a precursor for success. Like if you're too tall. But I think that this stuff does matter for kinda Maury. But I think though seriously like it's a little bit of Beatty's and the either the holder, look if you really wanted to matter if you wanna talk out of calorie we'll then if he shows up at like five oh, eight sixty five eight three quarters of an inch the it'd be like, okay, dang. That's a problem. I of decent quarterbacks to I've always been very against just about. By name Meena do that. Okay. He's on the loose McGuire. Damn. I mean, there's listen thinking back there delivered right? If a quarterback is tolerance is likely have longer armed and the long on in most cases, it means. The longer your delivery is which can be a detriment to your point six foot seven dude six I'm just saying look back at NFL history. Look at all the quarterbacks who are over six six. It's not a pretty picture. The problem is it's unprecedented territory. Okay. Right. Like if he comes in really small it's yes, it's going to cause. I'm not I don't I don't even know what to say. Like, obviously his tape speaks for itself. But I can't say a guy who's under five ten has. It just hasn't happened. Okay. So I think to me the numbers you're looking at our if he's under five ten if he's under two hundred pounds, and if the hand size comes in under like nine and a half because that's the thing about hand size. Like Russell Wilson drew Brees huge hand. Okay. Little guys chance. So I think if you get unprecedented numbers, I'm not saying that I personally believe that means Tyler Marie is doomed. But it means we're going to be talking about it twenty four seven for the next two months. Oh, no question about it. We've got eight weeks of is five ten or five nine or five eight satisfactory. I think so the measurement ultimately. Meaning they are what they are. Right. Like, it's not going to go not going to put on weight. It's like a handful of pounds here or there between now and the draft like we're gonna have a view of what he is by Thursday. But here's what I would say about kinda Murray. 'cause I I made a point earlier that kind of caught your attention that like, I think he has you know, I think he's more desirable than Josh Rosen was at this time last year. And this is this is like there is a lot more to the evaluation in this one way that someone who's a lot smarter than me when it comes to put ball has position to this sort of conversation to me before is this if you were mentioned Josh Rosen. A number one overall pick in the draft last year at this time even make it closer to draft a itself. It would have been talking yourself into Josh Rosen. Right right now, it feels like the decision that the cardinals are gonna have to make is talking themselves out of Cuyler Murray. There's a lot to like about him. But you're going to be talking yourself out of. And I think that although he played in an offense that we have seen other quarterback succeed in you can tell that they're ton of traits color Murray possesses that are pretty league the make him likely to succeed in a way that not a lot of other quarterbacks class. I think capable of so alternately, I'm not the one big into decision at my drafted thing. It doesn't mean that much in the grand scheme of how the NFL sees it. But I can understand how tantalizing it's gonna be to to have to choose on between taking kinda Murray and passing on him. That's going to be a little bit of fear in that pill that you swallow when you pass on it. Yes. I couldn't agree more. Analyzing a great word, by the way to describe. And look, I I still have a lot more color Murray to watch you know, I've watched him more than the other quarterbacks in the draft. But he does what Baker Mayfield did. Which was he throws down the field accurately, and I'm like if you can do that you're gonna you're good quarterback. I that's so sad simplistic as rubrics go. But for me if you can do that. That's the bar so Haskins is. The other guy who I think, you know, people seem to see a lock for the top ten say that obviously there's a lot of room for stuff to change. I mean, how do you see like what do you wanna see from him this week? Do you think there's anything he can do to hurt or help his cause relative to Cuyler? I would wanna see meal. I would wanna see twain Haskins light that combine up in the throwing drills white up like leave. No doubt who the best throwing quarterback is in this class. Because base what we saw in college. I think there's a there's a case that like Dwayne asking is the best thrower. And it may not be close amongst these quarterbacks. Now, I wanna see it though. I think the Wayne Haskins checks a lot of the right box from a competitive standpoint, Mike, there was never any mystery about whether he is going to throw like humidity. It's clear he's going to like he seems to be ready to take on the challenge of what the head. I think that ultimately though, like a just that. I it sounds somewhat. Silly to be talking about a dominant throwing performance combine when like throwing against no defense, and the guys aren't you know, no one's wearing pads. But my point is just like, I think there's a chance like in the same way that if you think collar Murray's an exceptional athlete like it would be great for him to run the fastest forty time and eat the four. Three seven prop bet that has been propped up right now or that has been mentioned for his forty time. So for half the love to see him go out there and dominate the throwing because I think there's a chance that he can separate himself without regard. I think we're gonna see that from drew lock. And by that Josh Allen style, like bonkers his arm is absurd. And in the same way that I made I was still skeptical about Josh Allen. I'm going to continue to be skeptical about to luck based on what I've seen. The arm is there. No one has sorry. Drew lock for those who don't know out the Missouri quarterback who's being mocked. Where's he being mocked right now field army knife scene? Highs like Candida Broncos. Right. Who obviously they traded for their trading floor joke Laco, but. Not too sorry match way that it's rich for my blood Meena. But we know that supply and demand tells us like it's going to happen. He's gonna be overdrafted. Right. Probably relative. Like, if you would agree the top one hundred prospects of his numbers, let's say thirty he'll go higher than thirty by probably a significant margin. If I can take a quick, Ben it's not like a total tangent. But just as it relates to quarterback evaluation in the draft process. I think one of the things that I've always felt this really important, particularly this is that with hard about the college quarterback valuation process is digging deep on infrastructure in place around these quarterbacks. And like I loved Baker Mayfield last year. But any quarterback comes with some question. Right. And I remember like that thing that didn't believe to over come. But things that I was curious about forbid what happens when he is forced under duress because at Oklahoma. It's so much how along the offense of line. Multiple offic tackle prospects. We're gonna be in a day. One starters in the NFL. They had such a good running game and such talented wide receivers. And it was rare Baker Mayfield was throwing the football under duress. We saw it a bit in the playoff game. And they got they got they got pretty well handled in that playoff game last year. So infrastructure is so important to be able to piece together. Right. And I'm not like Jok sounds good example, the other end of the spectrum is that like the the the deck of cards key that the the hand that he was dealt was pretty like poor in twenty seventeen relative to what other top quarterback prospects for playing right? And so I think it's that's always the rub is that like it's drew lock this past year. Like drew lock was playing for a bad Missouri offense. But when he gets into a drill on Saturday when he's throwing people are to say like you said Meena like this guy is ridiculous throwing the football. Okay. When ain't gonna apply that into off into the NFL where maybe he's not playing with. Whoever is not playing with chiefs wide receivers. But you know, maybe he is playing with like average wide receiver group and a good offensive line. Like how does he look nothing new quarterback? Like, how would he look if you replace Stafford, you know, like reasonable receivers, you know, potential and the running game like that's the part that I think is always so important for us to lock in on these quarterback evaluations. It's what did they do with the pieces around them? And then how they fit the pieces around them going over context, basically. Nothing. Well, and then the combine is the ultimate takes things out of context situation. Right because yeah, we're going to get through lock out really far in a bunch of scouts are going to make odd faces and we're going to get some quotes. And but it doesn't really mean anything other than that. We know he can throw it really far and competition. It matters a lot the four QB so Dilan skate for those auto Cuyler Dwayne. And then we've got drew lock. And then Daniel Jones, I would say the fourth quarterback who's being kind of from dupe and ABC. So it's it's not Josh shallan territory, but that's gonna get so confusing this year when we talk about Kentucky, Josh Allens going to be a real problem. But again, we're gonna we're gonna watch these guys and we're going to be talking about their abilities this week. But it really doesn't mean a ton separate from the context that you're describing by the way going forward. Call Josh onto the bills and Ramsey's friend. That's how I'm going to refer to him just to make it easy. Josh Allen to Kentucky like outside linebacker slash defence events. That's my that's my new thing. As of right now if Kentucky Josh Allen sacks quarterback, Josh Allen. That'd be the first time. A quarterback is sacked by someone with his own name in NFL history. I got a bigger one. Was there like a quarterback name like Michael Smith, or like, you know, like like a really knew Glen really generic like, you know, op-, you know, like common name, which is is a Meena in field podcast. We can relate to these obvious generic run of the names, right? Yeah. Not gonna happen to us. We're never gonna be sacked by somebody with our name. I love Kentucky Josh on by the way. He's so I started watching the pass rushers over the last week or show in. I'm I'm in love with him as a prospect. I think he's the nominee. I mean, he's he's raw. I mean, he's late. He's late late bloomer. Right. And we'll talk about him at length. But the pass rushers are the story of the draft. And we've been talking about quarterbacks. And that's obviously going to be something we're gonna talk about a ton. But this this is just such stack draft for defensive linemen. And so I wanna ask you like the guy that I think a lot of people are going to be looking at this week because he's a guy who we haven't been able to look at over the last few months is presumptive number one pick Nick Boza brother, of course, of Joey Bosa. So I'll just ask you flat out. Is he still going number one? Obviously, the Cuyler stuff couldn't throw a wrinkle in that there could be trades. But still the number one prospect in this draft the of the appropriate question the interview. Yes. And you know, when you're looking at players rush the passer, you have one of the really have to be locked in on premium. Just aren't that many guys that do it ugly right now at the NFL like just like sort of like ball their way to pass rush production consistently? Remember, Derek Burnett from the eagles drafted a couple of years ago out of Tennessee, and it was like subpar athletic numbers. Relative some of the other guys in his class. But like he has a pretty unique skill set where he can get by in a different way. There's some of the other rushers but Nick Bosa has freakish athletic ability, freakish power, good instincts. And and I don't I feel like a baby connecting dots. Here by seeming that because he played, you know, his father played in the NFL and his brother does that like that has it can all be traced. His like stance level of pass rushing moves. But I think he's got an advanced level of pass rushing moves those checks a lot of the boxes that make ready made prospect provided but this core injury. He's been not that he missed almost the entire season with is fully cleared, and there's like no ripple effects there. Right. And so that's obviously something that's gonna be tested the combine to pass the medical dams. And so I'm asking what what here's some you know about that. And that's probably the most important part of the combine for him. I don't wanna use Joey Bosa copy because it feels so lazy. But when you watch him he just looks like doing, and I'm glad you mentioned the moves because it's the moves, right? It's that swipe that it looks like only I'm sorry. Like, I don't to me before the injury. What I saw from him. You really just didn't see a lot of weaknesses in the game. He has it all he has yet thought assistant me has the moves. He has the speed. So I think this'll be a real chance for him to kind of come back into the spotlight. I guess and remind people. Yep. I'm the number one prospect for a reason, you know, that all the pass rushers. Oliver is a guy. I'm really interested to see how does this week. Just because he's not the biggest dude. Okay. So the measurable 's are going to be there. But then the lettuce of them, I think will give him out me. He can show why he's still at all of her Sean Gary field is a guy who I feel like a tear up the combine guy. I don't love by the way as a prospect. And what are your thoughts on? He's a edge rusher out of Michigan. What are your thoughts on him as a draft prospect? Interesting. So all these guys talked about all came in with significant hype. Right. I mean had Oliver was number one player in the country out of high school chose to stay local good, Houston, Nick. Bozo. The pedigree. Rashawn Gary number one or like top two or three prospect as well comes from New Jersey goes to Michigan has a long recruiting process. Huge feather in the cappuccino harbach cetera hate the question with showing areas, probably wear exactly sit. You know? What is his most natural bullshit? And I think the answer is that like in some ways, it doesn't matter. Right. Like think about the Super Bowl, and like some of the players we saw a major impact like Aaron Donald is not a line the exact same spot. Every single snap. Trey flowers for the patriots does not play just one spot. But I think that Sean Gary Player right like never matched the hype Michigan to really special athletic traits. The one thing for rushers or these pass rushers that I think is a really important thing to keep an eye on. And Nick both. Is probably the best that this class is counter moves, especially in obvious passing situations. Like teams know you're gonna be rushing the passer. Right. But there are ways that they can do their best to deter your initial move double team, you they continue with the running back whatever it is get the ball out quick. So it's not just what you can do when you first engage offense cackle, it's what you can do. When all of a sudden, you're playing from behind when all of a sudden, you don't win with your first step or your first initial move your counter, when you you're facing a great off, it that what happens when you know, tyrant Smith gets his hands on what can you do to Nick Nick Bosa really can separate is that he's such a technician already, and he's what twenty one years old and that's hard to develop. We're seeing guys come into their own as they get into a later stage of their career like DeMarcus Lawrence all of a sudden has this massive arsenal. Pass rush moves which is why he will either be double tag or he'll make a ton of money to Dallas Cowboys this offseason. So these guys. Are works in progress. But what stands out about Nick Bo says how ready made he feels. Yeah. And you mentioned counter-moves again, Josh Allen, man. Incredible counter Moos, I mean and flexibility. I mean the way he moves something reminds me almost von Miller. That's not it's not gonna show up in the combine. Right, whereas guy like or Sean Gerry who think sometimes lacking. In those areas will be stout on some of these drills. So just to wrap up the drills and stuff, you know, every year you've got the players who dominate saquon last year. I think of Dante Jackson had a great Combi. Josh Allen, the aforementioned, John, you know, the throat. Yeah. We always debate. What really matters. There's the famous Bill Belichick cares about three cone thing. And you know, you hear that latte. Three cone matters more than some of the other stuff. The first ten yards of the forty matter more certain positions. So what do you look at in terms of the drills like what matters to you? I would say that I like to look at them as a kilo dope reflection of a player. Right. So rather than like if a guy's good in one category. But like average and others like okay is that one category particularly applicable to his physician to mention the free cone drill quarterbacks. Like, it's usually a sign of short area quickness. And boy the change direction, you know, the long speed that is evidence with forty or something to keep in mind. If you have a vertical wide receiver position drills themselves or something to certainly keep an eye on that those concentration drills that we see the wide receivers and tight ends where they're going through. I guess they call it the gauntlet of catching the football. So when I would say though, in terms of what I'm. Most focused on is it does depend a little bit on position. But I think the reason why these these drills are still relevant as much as people are saying themselves like how frequently does a often to tackle run forty yards in a straight line of the answer is very infrequently. If ever like it probably only happens when they're like celebrating touchdown when they're running back has broken out into the you know, the third level and is just rising for eighty yards by himself on Adrian Peterson that ninety five yard run against the eagles. Like, maybe drank Williams ran forty yards and help celebrate. But otherwise it never happens. But the reason why it's still relevant is that we've got thirty years or so of data compiled that shows like on average years, we're an offense tackle finishes in the forty yard dash, and then it's applicable right? Hey, let's say there are I don't know. How many let's just make this number twenty five offense tackles draft in the first three rounds at Randy's a five four or slower forty you'll get those twenty five and like, you know, only five. Of them went on the start forty five. Plus again, it's not merely because of their forty yard dash time. But it might apply to like is it quickness is it something that is tied of the forty are dash into different way that stuff that. I think I keep an eye on what pertains to the data is just like are there outliers one way or the other that reflect potential success or potential red blacks? It's funny that you mentioned like an offense tackle right because it was Orlando Brown junior who had the worst combine five point eight five second forty slowest of the event and yet a pretty nice rookie season. So yeah, you know, a good reminder to not put too much stock into all of this. Or to remember that there are certainly outliers once I actually just as you're talking about the drills, and whether they matter in which ones matter, I'm very curious to see with the running backs. I feel like the forty might matter less now than three cone. Or maybe the shuttle's just because of the way the position is changing. And how much more they need to be used as pass catchers how much more there change of direction, perhaps matters. And so that's something. I'd keep an eye on there with some of the backs in this combine the forty it'll be interesting to see which guys are vying to top the John John Ross on the trade walk. So again, the combine them what? Although that there's a number of reasons for that. But so he's got that four point two forty. I gotta think guys like McColl hardman, maybe out of Georgia, and my beloved Peres Campbell outta high state could be vying to that. Freak athletes airs Campbell's that's for sure. And then the stuff you mentioned the word context earlier we're talking about evaluating quarterback apply abilities. You're right that like we get fixated on like a running backs forty times. And that's totally fair in some ways. I also look at it like this like why are richer consistently running vertically running backs might be running vertically like on a couple of occasions the game or they actually have the chance to break three. So I'm looking at more of like, okay that's short area quickness when you which might apply more play to play when you can make a guy miss in the whole or you have to make a decision between sort of following the lane that it was intended to be blocked for or taking calculated risks to jab out outside and try to get, you know, seven extra yards and the perimeter. So I think that as much as the forty yard dashes they made for TV event. The context of it is really important here. Well field as always provide that necessary context. And now you're gonna you're gonna provide. Answers because it's time for the final segment. And now, it's I for dinks and dunks. I'm getting paid for this, right? We're doing this at the mid point. Now, just because I feel. We're. Question one which combine drill? Would you do the best in? The bench press, obviously. How fast you could use around forty? I think like nine five is my guess. That's my I I'm really, yeah. The five I'm. Wow. Wow. You're not the tallest guy. Do you will, you know, but I'm deceptively Koldo, actually excessively. But do you are you like a runner? I'm a long distance runner. I'm not I'm not banned tans level. But I you know, I I do enjoy some time on the treadmill? It's been a while run a forty yard dash probably like my senior year college ten years ago. But I would think that they could at least the good news is I could at least run forty yards. If you told me to run a half marathon right now like I probably stop after a few miles, but I can make it forty yards. There is this bait on lebatardshow for awhile last year about racing each other and who would win in a foot race. And there was a foot race. And I was bragging ton about how I would crush them. But I didn't realize it was a one hundred yard dash. I thought it was like a mile, and I'm like you I run. But obviously, I'm not Lord, they don't very long legs. So I think I would probably get I don't think I would be super impressive on a forty but who's a mile a mile. Take you can question to how excited are you about detective Pichu Harry excited. Like, I think that I've been looking forward to that longer than subconsciously more than I consciously realize it, so I'm ready like all in give it now. Kokomo kid a little bit growing up like my sister was like poke Amman obsess. So I definitely got like definitely rubbed off on me a little bit super smash brothers. I used to mess around with thick you quite a bit too. Which is good. So yeah, I mean, like if I it'd be impossible to ignore the presence growing up. I'm ready between that the line thing. Like, I'm ready for some good movies coming up enemy move is kind of divest movies. These days. I feel like I actually played Pokemon on GameBoy when I was a kid a little bit of a brag. But I let it fly in this case. I also I love comparing NFL players to poke him on Mike Tolbert is absolutely sore question fair. Or something like that. I you know, I try to keep it. Nice feel like actually I have compared someone. To the puff is. So adorable though. What is a draft take that you were wrong about last year or that you've justed or calibrated you felt? I did a draft show together last year reacted live to the draft pick. So you saw takes in real time. I know I've got one of mine for myself. But I'm curious about you. Is there anything that? You think maybe I misjudged it. Marcus Devon bowl. Make more of an immediate Mark for the saints. I I really did. And I don't disagree with the pick. And I know that he has a thumb issue that bother him a little bit. There's a chance from return it around. But I thought that one would be one that I did not think Zaire giant, Sandra. It would be as much of a stars the as right away. All right. Tim lot Devonport. I mean just seem like so much to give up for him at the time. And obviously they're gonna be around. Didn't we think we thought they were trading for Lamar I feel like to trade came in. Yeah. I liked Baker Mayfield. I should've loved Baker Mayfield. That would be mine. I mean, he's just he was he's passed my expectations in as I mentioned. He had a lot of the characteristics of college player that I really like in. But I still had Sam darnold as my number one over him. And obviously Baker Mayfield was the best rookie quarterback last season. It wasn't particularly close. Football up and all those guys career. I'm not trying to take away tiger. With Baker Mayfield was unquestioned the best rookie quarterback. But there's a lot of football left. I'm excited to see with Sam darnold looks like because I think that the cast of characters around him will be much. Maker was in the best situation. I think and took advantage of that. And so a question for speaking of situations gun to the head. Where's Antonio Brown? Playing next year in Green Bay Packers. That's my that's my just total. Yup. Oh, that's not a super common one. So why do you think so warm fakey? And now, I don't think this is your same old Green Bay Packers about with the this is not your father's cremate backers they've always balanced good cap sheet. I think it will make a lot of sense because it it complex. Pittsburgh's goal of getting him out of the conference and to a team they won't see again, it's twenty twenty one. I sort of feel like there is a little bit of Jeet for for Green Bay when use the offense. And you obviously know Aaron Rodgers a lot better than I do. And I don't know that like it's fair to always like evaluate body language for athletes entirely. But it just felt like he was frustrated last year with the supporting cast, and it was almost like we don't have time to waste time around here. So that was my Eddie, my guest this obviously just guest, but that's my, you know, by had to make a choice that we might make I love that idea. I'm very curious by the way, half the thirty thirtieth pick in the draft. Which to me is the exact sweet spot to acquire in Tonio Brown. Yes. I couldn't. Yes. Totally would be worth it. It would be absolutely worth it. And if people are now over big unit show on an Tonio Brown. It's oh, it's. To me that. Brown and his contract is is a great value. Okay. Thirty he led the league receiving yards two seasons. Go touchdowns last year. And he's in Tokyo pound. He runs the best written NFL like I don't what is insane to me. I know he was really most ocean the tweets, but I actually think Green Bay would be an excellent landing place for him in that regard Rogers, do you? Yeah. The mustache is a problem. But air Rogers all say about him. You know, there's always questions like will respect the coach is he willing to make changes. Whatever game recognize game is something. Yep. And I completely not had an Tonio Brown, man. And I know, you know, von has great. But like, I just love to see I think Matla lavars offense is going to be much more reminiscent of caution and offense than people are predicting, and I would love to see Tonio there. All you got me excited now. Oh. At one away. All right feel last question is always comes from Lenny. So. Instagram for several months, but you already have a hashtag. My question is how many brands are sponsoring the big day. My call action. Thank you for the great question. Big time longtime fan number where of yet we could use some brand if anybody wants in bender's wise, I'm in. You like Nick Jonas wedding was entirely spot. You're kind of like the Nick Jonas VSBN, take it. I will wear that that half with Duke difficult decried, but everybody wants to jumping before eight please hit me up comment on my Instagram posts DNB ended scream whatever it takes. If you help contribute. Anything? Yeah. I feel like you should get something. What's the hashtag? I don't actually know my keeping shape and taste the field. So I actually think it's kind of witty if I'm being honest with you like, it's not good. So your name though is like so conducive to hashtags and like what's wrong. Which was really does. Yeah. I know I feel like I recommended field notes as podcast for you once or like a little second. I want to me. To me. That's the no sponsorship field notes field in stream field. I mean, there's just a lot you can do with that. Oh, living tree live in the stream when the feeling. Pointing the field. Well, I don't wanna keep you too long from combine and you go work to do there. But thanks as always for coming on. And we'll see about that gift, buddy. You are the best and enjoy Boston this weekend. Can't we hear all about smoke? So this is a real treat as you heard earlier. I talked about all of the things that happened at the combine that you don't see really it's the things that you don't see that are the most important things the interviews medical exams, and when you schedule I mentioned that you might wonder like, but there's also a psych test and that's called the player assessment test PAT clever. Right. And it's been going on at the combine since twenty thirteen and I've always been fascinated by what it entails how it relates to the Wunderlich which is test. I've been vocal in the past about having some issues with and having issues with of it. But I've been very interested in this test, and I'm really excited to be joined right now by the two guys who created it, and who will be at ministering it Indianapolis this week. So their names are Ken. Yes. Go at the university of Maryland and Harold Goldstein at Brucke sitting -versity of New York too. Two professors of industrial organizational psychology, guys. Thanks so much for joining the show. Thanks for having us. I I wanted to start off by asking you about why this was created in the first place, and again, it's called psychological tests. And I think, but it's a lot more complicated than that. And the Wunderlich has been around for a long time for those who don't know the Wunderlich is often defined as an intelligence test. But like most standardized tests, again, this is my opinion. I think it has a lot of flaws in terms of helping us understand what makes people good at football. And you could argue what makes people intelligent enabled to opera in the world. And that it brings a lot of socioeconomic some would say racial bias into the picture, and I know from my own experience in interviewing players who have had their Wunderlich scores. Leaked over the years. We all know some of the famous leaks have been associated with players then gone onto be excellent. But have had low scores or vice versa. That there's a lot of. Issues with it. So I was wondering how that factored into you guys decision to create this test, and how you went about creating it in the first place back in two thousand thirteen in our discussions terrible scene. In our discussions with the league they had talked to their clubs, and it seemed like the pubs wanted expanded psychological information on the players. So they wanted information on intelligence as well as on other types of personality, and psychological factors like being team focused being a leader being prepared. So it seemed like in their discussion with various clubs. They wanted an expanded psychological passed. So that's why they reached us to see if they could get something that was broader than what the Wunderlich provided. And you actually when you created it you were working with Cyrus, Mary, right? Who was one of the guys who helped establish the Rooney rule right Cyrus at work closely with the league on a lot of the things that try and move it forward. And and look to progress over time. And so in his discussions with the league, they went out I believe together and spoke to the clubs, and they focused on the need for a broader set of measures around a broader, set of psychological dimensions. Well, how did you go about doing out what mattered, okay? 'cause again, I've seen like one of the questions, and they do kind of look like SAT style questions as I understand your test is very different and you're looking to test very different things. Yeah. So we followed the same recipe we use outside of sports. And that is the first thing is to do very intricate analysis of the job. So we met with all kinds of GM's leagues gives players coaches, and we got input on the specific psychological characteristics. That they thought would result in better performance, and we then develop. Test measures to try and get really good insight into each of those dimensions Harold said instead of general intelligence, we kind of looked at things like avoiding mental errors making quick decisions ability to learn plays on the personality side. How prepared are you? How dependable are. You how team focus star you. Terms of self control, you able to avoid emotional outbursts that kind of thing. And then we the key piece is we looked at performance pistons after the players were in the league, we got input detailed input from each of the teams on the performance of each of the players, and that included things like coaches ratings on feel statistics and other metrics, and we would very focused on linking what we said originally about the players and in terms of their psychological characteristics, and how they actually played well, I wanna talk about the performance in what you've found in terms of this tests kind of ability to predict that because I think that's really interesting. But you must thing is that I don't think of as being easy to test. Right. Like you talked about. For example, learning plays, but your test isn't actually going through install with players. How do you go about evaluating them on something like that using a standardized test, we try and get at the underlying capabilities, psychologically that they would need to then be able to do those activities for more study of industrialization psychology. We focus on human capabilities and trying to understand all the different intellectual and Todd nerve ones as well as the more, psychological personality temperament ones. And so by having kind of a map of what are the underlying capabilities that human being has you can then tie them directly to the kinds of activities that they can do and how well they'll do them. So examples might include testing things like your ability to make decisions when there is incomplete information when the situation is very ambiguous or your ability to make qu. Quick decisions around direct processes that. Are that are well-defined war your ability to avoid making mistakes in different situations. And so we tell her the testing around each of those mental facets and then make sure they're relevant for the field. Going back to how you again put together those facets in the first place you mentioned talking to a lot of genes. I think GM's money of whom are still in the league. Right. Yep. -solutely was there anything they said that in that process again when you were putting together this test that surprised you in terms of qualities, maybe you wouldn't have sought going into this would have been important to evaluate players. What was interesting we talked to them independently. So we work with the GM council at the time and spoke with them independently of what was the formulas for success what was going to differentiate whether player would succeed or fail and they use different words to. Describe it. But a cross the majority of them. It was amazing. How consistent they were. The one thing that stood out to us in that that kind of came together at the end was the focus on being able to perform under stress. So you can look at these different types of capabilities that people need, but the question becomes can make a form them when they're under duress. Every player at the combine takes us. Correct. Yes. Knock on wood. We've had a hundred percent of the players take the test since two thousand thirteen so they're sitting at a computer and test is what like an hour about. Yes. About an hour. So I know you can't give out, you know, the specific questions. But I I'm trying to understand, you know, if you're a prospect say quarterback prospect, and as you said being able to make decisions under pressure is really which makes tons of sense when we think about football, and especially the things that make certain players great. It really resonates me. But I'm wondering like when you're sitting what does that look like is it is there a timer on a question? Is it doing a puzzle really quickly like just generally speaking? How do you even test for that kind of thing is really a wide range of activities, and and a computer can administer a wide range of things things that are timed fast things that are time slow different types of stimuli. Which could be puzzles it couldn't be questions about how they prefer to behave that we've seen over the years link to underlying psychological capabilities. So they get a wide range of things the computer can walk them through the entire tests. So it's at ministered completely in a standardized way by the computer, but it is like puzzle type things. Yes. Yes. Some puzzles some speeded puzzle type problems, some moving figure problems some personality questions about what you think our priorities some questions about their past history, which tend to predict how behave in the future one of the things cannon. I believe. Is using a wide range of valid ways of measuring something and then converging that data together. We tend to find that leads to the best measurement of things that as you mentioned are difficult to measure. This is really it's stressing me out thinking about though, I'm very good at tetris. So maybe you can take it. We want. Oh god. Think about that one. But the only thing you mentioned is the emotional aspect of this which you're also testing for and that how do you even begin to test for that kind of thing? Like, you talked about sort of I don't know emotional stability, which again when you think about sports, and you think about these guys and what makes them good. And you think about all of the great NFL players, and what you learned about their personalities and the ice in the veins, it makes one hundred percents that's important in that that foretell success. But I can't even begin to imagine. How you test for that kind of thing you're asking questions about how they reactive areas types of scenarios asking questions about how they view certain types of things we know from from the research and studying that we do that that can link back to their ability to control certain types of a hater. And when we're talking about a motion stability, we're talking about passion and energy much more than a motion stability in other settings. So we're using combinations of questions about their preferences, in the way, they see the world in ways that. Who are out rooms link back to indicate or on a scale of how high or low they are on a certain capability. Eight sounds complicated. It doesn't sound like, well, it'd be CD kind of thing it is complicated in the questions are rooted in all kinds of literature and past kinds of Cessna that have worked, but one thing to keep in mind is that when these questions are used there's always a check we make sure that the decisions we make based on the test match what the player does on the field in terms of performance. And also the way the coaches see that player. So we close the loop by devising these questions that we think work, but then we always year over year check to make sure the questions actually predict and are in line with how the player plays in. How the coaches see those players. So we kind of what you're saying is you'll ask questions evaluating an athlete's ability to make decisions in a pressure. And then you'll see how well does he actually make decisions under pressure? And then you'll go back and recalibrate the test to reflect the results you're seeing on the field that is absolutely true. And we've had great stability now in the last few years. So we haven't had to recalibrate so much as as added dishes kinds of items. But that concept of showing that the test works is absolutely critical. We call that validation and in our field and industrial organizational psychology herald, and I work in a lot of legal contexts. So we we have an obligation to show that the test actually does what it says it's going to do, and that's based on being professors where we look into the research part, but also good practitioners that have certain legal obligations to make sure the work is is well done smart way of saying we have to prove it, actually. It works. That's always been my frustration. I guess with the the wonder like is we every year there's this test and the results, and we talk about them like they matter so much. It bothers me. Because there's no Korla. I mean, it hasn't been proven that they matter. In fact, I've recall a few years ago reading that in some positions. There was actually a negative correlation to work is with lower scores. We're playing better at certain positions. So it's very compelling to me that you've gone back and sort of checked your work here. How did you go about checking your work like so you mentioned you've been you've spoke with coaches what about on field performance? Does that factor into sort of how you check the the test as well. Yeah. It's a great question. I mean, one thing the NFL was was fantastic and making a commitment. They understood this notion of validation, and so they committed to serving confidentially serving each team about players after they played for them for a year. So that was incredibly helpful to get that kind of data back and the teams have been incredibly helpful in that they're willing to share that kind of confidential information. So we use. That as one part of allegation, and then from there, we started linking to the on the field data, and we're seeing those relationships hold their little harder to project, you know. Because once you're on the field. There's so many factors that can impact how you perform from getting injured to are you playing behind a Pro Bowl players. You're not getting on the field yet. But we are seeing those links and those correlations to on the field things even down to how many penalties you 'cause and yardage propensity. We're seeing for elections that are significant to the test scores. The penalty thing is interesting because I was wondering you're testing for decision making and. Performance under pressure as as you were saying that I was thinking about like with a guy who jumps offsides a lot with something that maybe I don't know you could I don't want to predict obviously you can't predict that. But is that something that you might be able to see a correlation between something you guys are testing for and those numbers while that's exactly the point. And if you didn't see that correlation, we wouldn't be comfortable saying, this is per a person who's going to jump off sides a lot. So what we would do. For example, is we have a variable. Call stress tolerance. And that's a measure of whether you get rattled under pressure. But then we also combine that with your ability to make good decisions, and we have a variable. We called decision making under stress that variable actually predicts penalties, and you can see why someone is under pressure. They make a bad decision. And they get more penalties going back to sort of standardized tests in general again, some of the issues. I'll just be for myself issues that I take with a lot of standardized tests is that they don't account for biography, and all these various factors. I lose to earlier Ray socio-economic factors that can change the way people perform on tests. And maybe muddle the picture, how do you guys with your testing sort of block all of that out? All that noise. One of the things that Kenan I've done a lot of research on now for about fifteen years is on building tests of intelligence domain with low socioeconomic status interaction with low racial differences with with low gender differences. And so that's an area of research for us as professors for the past over a decade at this point. So we use a lot of those principles and the way we measure intelligence, and that tends to lead to a reduction in any kind of differences based on race or gender. But you're raising a really good point tests have so many challenges, and they're so complicated in predicting real world performance that they're not perfect. And so your job is to collect all of the information. You can terms of physical ability in terms of past experience and success saying college, and in terms of other variables that matter like, psychological characteristics. And you. Put as much information together. And you make the best prediction you can. And that's why you can't over rely on anyone instrument or anyone approach everything gets considered together. And then you combine things as best you can teams higher additional psychological testers to use their own tests as well. And we always speak to the teams about combining all of this together. Meaning that one positive of our tests, the PAT is it's done week wide. So they'll everybody gets all that data. But teams should combine this with what they saw interviews with their own dishes, psychological tests that they use. And because none of these are infallible. Perfect. You guys consider all like, you know, obviously, you're seeing why. No, if you're saying the results of things wondering if you have have seen players who have shown great learning ability or decision making under pressure on your test. But then maybe didn't. Oh, so well on the window, for example. Yeah. You know, we don't see the other data just like the other test developers don't see ours. And that's just you know, kinda professional courtesy not to do that not to combine the data together ourselves. So the teams are doing that. But we don't see their thing. But one thing I would say is we're all about converging data. So the scouts might have some really good insights into things like personality, you might have other team based psychological assessments, you'd have the NFL league-wide test, which is us. And when you put it all together if things don't match, then you say, okay. Well why and that might raise the red flag? And then you go out and get more information. So you can be more comfortable you're coming to a good decision. So just because things don't match doesn't mean you can't use that information to make a good decision. Yeah. I really I'm very drawn idea considering it all together right because again with the public all we see is the leaked Wunderlich scores, which should not be leaked in the first place. And I know I've seen player athletes NFL players who had low scores in than I've seen their tape. And I know they're great a processing information. That guy's a great decision maker. This is so it'd be fascinated. I imagine your work is kind of filling in the rest of that picture for teams and beyond that, you're also as I understand it working with teams afterwards to kind of give them advice on how to coach and manage these players with the information, you've collected. Yeah. It was very interesting. When we started this. It was all about helping pick the best people, and that was very successful. And then we started getting calls from the club's saying, well, we have the people. Now, what can we do to get them to be even better? And so we started sending coaching reports out that helped based on the psychological assessment helped coach the players in the best possible way. We also started working with coaches on how to coach different players differently. Can you give me an example of maybe something I don't know that you've taken away from that? In terms of how to coach certain kind of player based on what you've learned about them, psychologically. Yeah. One of my favorite examples is when you look at confidence around making good decisions and then ability to make good decisions. And sometimes you get players that are incredibly confident yet. They don't have great decision making ability. You would coach that? Player very differently than someone who is not confident about their decision making abilities who actually make great decisions. And so you would address those in very different ways. I would consider myself more about you coach someone he's not super confident about their decision making ability if they have strong abilities, and you're trying to get them to be more confident than you. You know, some of the things we talked about is giving them more direct feedback trying to show them. How successful that they'll be try and stop them from dwelling on times they've made errors. So it's a question of the coach being aware that this is a disconnect for the player that they can help them, you know, try and have the right perspective on their capabilities. It's interesting because I again, profiling players thing all time with them sometimes with certain positions, for example. I think cornerback it's a cliche, but it's cliche because it's true. Which is that you want guys who have a short memory and don't dwell on their mistakes because playing corner. Bac? Most of the time you're not notice in less you get burned for that one pass or something or touchdown. Is that something you guys consider positional variants or qualities that can make someone good at the game that wouldn't necessarily be viewed as a wonderful personality trait off the field. Yeah. That's a great question. But well, it's a couple of questions you just ask. But one thing for sure is that we've been moving over time to really understand the positions and what specific attributes each position needs. And how they vary across and up until now we've really worked on a course set of qualities that work for all players, but we're starting to focus on individual aspects for each of the individual positions. You know, some of the things that might be considered negative that in certain cases, maybe a positive on the field, you know, in terms of holding your teammates accountable, right? When we think about being a good teammate. It's not just about being a nice person that may be a factor. But you also sometimes have to be a little bit puff with some of your teammates and hold them accountable and push them. So that might be an example of characteristic that's viewed as a little bit tough off the field, but very sometimes useful. On the field. I'm very curious to see what you guys find about quarterbacks. Because obviously that's the position we think the most about we think just in terms of psychology leadership mental makeup. I know it's early in your your, obviously still working on you. You mentioned earlier, you know, how to these various positions. But is there anything you have seen already or noticed that makes for a good quarterback? Mentally. I think that intelligence factors are crucial for the quarterback. I mean, you certainly want some of the personality factors that will make them a leader. Make them dependable those kinds of things, but the intelligence factors the visual aspects of intelligence are crucial that quick decision making under speed the -bility to learn indepth information and see things is critical. And we certainly see those standing out a lot when we look at the quarterbacks even though it's really a small sample of quarterbacks. Even though it we've been doing this since two thousand thirteen it's still a small relatively small group. Yeah. One interesting thing about the quarterbacks is looking at their what we call complex thinking. And when plays breakdown when things are in big US when things go wrong, can you recover and make good decisions. And so you might be a quarterback who can learn the place perfectly. And when everything works you execute perfectly. But then there are other quarterbacks when things break down. Down. They really shine in in making something out of nothing. That's certainly something. I think that passes identity, you're watching football. So it makes sense that it's something that you would want to try to test for also tell me about this week. What are you guys? So it's every player. How are the next few days gonna play for you? We'll do four days of testing just like the four on field days. So we'll test the different groups. It's the day before they do their physical workout. So we test them in the morning along with the Wunderlich. And and we get that all out of the way in the morning. All right. So last year you guys presented on the results would gathered at Sloan this weekend, I'm hosting our NFL analytics panel, we do every year, and we'll be talking about all the ways in which teams tried to gate Dana Nejd through the statistics are gathering on the field you now with player tracking data some of which is valuable to the public. What you're describing is data. That's not available to the public. And I'm wondering is this. Something that you think teams can use and their analytics departments can use to gain an edge in terms of not just player evaluation from draft and free agency perspective for how to actually coach those players. Once you've got them. Teams have gotten pretty good at basic analytics Billy bean says a dollar worth of analytics in the past is now worth fifty cents because all the low hanging fruit has kind of been gathered. So as basic analytic approaches spread throughout the league the competitive advantage drops a little bit. In response teams have been trying to develop ever more sophisticated analytical approaches, and that's a great source of competitive advantage. The other source of advantages to add data that nobody else has and psychological. Data tends to be proprietary data that no one else has and you can add it to the mix to produce an overall picture of the player that nobody else has awesome. Well, thank you so much for taking the time to talk about this, really interesting stuff. Appreciate it. Thanks so much for having us is a pleasure.

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Cooley Said WHAT?!

"You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about the kevin sheehan show now. Here's kevin card. I am here erin. Aaron is here. This show is presented by stamps dot com more on them in a bit cool. He's going to call in here very shortly and we'll do the majority of the show show today with him. <hes> real quickly <hes> last night the nats gotta a huge win in san francisco suzuki three for four three r._b._i.'s including a huge home run <hes> in the third and <hes> trae turner added to that as well good start from annabel sanchez and the nats are six back of the braves in a game ahead of the phillies who lost in arizona last night. This is gonna be fun like i. I i those of you that have listened to me over the years. I love postseason baseball eighties top five six of all sporting times of the year. I love october. I love the drama of playoff baseball. I have loved the four years that the nationals have been in the postseason going back to two thousand twelve in that first series against saint louis louis and then the second series that they had in twenty fourteen against san francisco than the dodger series the cubs series that that's high-drama and by the way all four playoff all four postseason appearances for the nets included dramatic five game series they've lost three game fives at home erin three of them at home and they lost a game four deciding game four in san francisco in two thousand fourteen which by the way followed that epic you know <hes> not eighteen inning game at nats park in game two that year which i sat through as it as the temperature dropped from about sixty five degrees to about forty forty five degrees <hes> late into that night but postseason baseball's the best and i've mentioned this before the nats have not once had a a true pennant race they've been involved in in august and september and it really appears as if that's what we're going to get right now. They're six back. There's plenty of time. Six back is nothing nothing <hes> aaron. It may have been twenty twelve when the cardinals came in and won that series against the nats that they were eight back. I i think before <unk> at september first august thirty first september timeframe late labor day timeframe they ate back in that division and came back in one at the nets what's being six back now are fine but they're also very much obviously alive in the wild card race as well and right now they have a one game lead over the phillies for the second wildcard spot and a game and a half lead over the cardinals for the third. There are a lot of teams bunched up in the national final league in terms of wildcard possibilities. The nats the phillies the cardinals brewers and you can't really count out the diamondbacks at this point. They're five hundred the giants are two games under five hundred courtesy of the nats beating him the last <hes> two nights and then there are the new york mets yeah who are on fire like they have now won twelve of thirteen <hes> and have a phenomenal starting pitching rotation after adding stroman to syndergaard and degrom etcetera <hes> now. They're scheduled during this huge win. Streak is included miami and pittsburgh as an example and and i think they want some games over san diego and the white sox i think they beat also during that spur <hes> stretch and their schedule gets much more difficult. They play the nats this weekend. They play the braves next week on the road. They've got the indians. They've got a bunch with the braves. <hes> in the phillies in the nats a may still have the dodgers in in the cubs so it'll get more difficult for <hes> the mets tim kirch in on the radio show today and he thinks that the the team that has the best chance in the postseason of beating the dodgers is the nationals with their starting rotation assuming sherzer is back in healthy but then he made the comment that the mets in a best of five against the dodgers if the mets were to get into a wildcard game in advance that syndergaard degrom <hes> stroman mats etc would give the mets. Maybe the second best shot in the national league against the the dodgers but anyway it's going to be a fun rest of the month and then a very compelling september in both leagues by the way the american league has an incredible wild card race going on right now with really good teams vying for to wild card spots. I mean tampa bay's seventeen games over five hundred <hes> the same for i think the indians are twenty games over five hundred as are like sixteen or seventeen games over five hundred the red sox now are fading you know they are one and nine in their last ten in more likely than not they aren't going to make it to the postseason the two <hes> wildcard teams in the american league or more likely than not gonna come from tampa cleveland and oakland you know if you assume houston new york in minnesota or your division winners cleveland's only three and a half back in the central and the national league. It's going to be a wild race for the those two wild card teams but not with the same quality of teams involved you know the phillies look the netzer equality team now. Oh don't get me wrong but the phillies cardinals brewers mets d-backs not the same right now as tampa and cleveland and oakland <hes> but we're gonna have wild races the rest of the way and for the first time for the nationals since nineteen thirty three that was the last pennant race this city experienced now. There was one in one thousand nine hundred forty five but the teams were depleted because of world war two little thing. You may have heard of <hes> so that you you. You didn't have the teams in their in their right form. These so many <hes> players were off fighting in the war but really the last legitimate janet pennant race was nineteen thirty three the nets won the american league pennant <hes> and then lost in the world series <hes> we haven't had one in the city since those four years that they went to the postseason they ran away with the division titles and in the years that they didn't make the postseason over the last few when they when they were a decent team they they really weren't in a legitimate pennant or even wild card race. <hes> it's gonna be fun. <hes> the rest of the way <hes> meantime tomorrow night the redskins gins open up their preseason and craig hoffman from w. j._f._k. Broke the news last night <hes> or reported last night that jay is not going to play colt mccoy roy <hes> in the game tomorrow night and that the three quarterbacks more likely than not that will play tomorrow night our case keenum dwayne haskins and woodrum the the fourth quarterback back on the roster <hes>. We're gonna have coolio on here in a moment <hes> but i'm gonna make one point about tomorrow night that i actually did not make them the radio show uh-huh earlier that i will make tomorrow on the radio show is sort of the pre-game <hes> radio show tomorrow before the game tomorrow night. I think that we will learn something about j. Gruden's current quarterback depth chart not the unofficial depth chart that he put together and put out there. He's he even told everybody. It's b._s. Thing he's got to do it. I have a feeling that the p._r. People may have actually put that thing together but tomorrow night if case keenum comes out and plays one series in then sits. He feels comfortable with case keenum. <hes> i by the way wanna see join haskins play a lot tomorrow night right if case keenum <hes> by on the flip side of that comes out and plays a full quarter or even into the second quarter then what it tells you. Is that colt mccoy right now. How is the leader in the clubhouse and maybe a significant leader that it wouldn't surprise me if that is actually the case. I'm just saying if you're looking for a tell if you're looking for quasi proof case keenum comes out and plays a lot tomorrow night like a full quarter <hes> then cole mccoy oy is the guy he's sitting tomorrow night. He won because jay's comfortable income with colt right now any needs to see more of case and then obviously he needs to see join haskins too but if you assume that this is a two quarterback race then we're talking keenum in mccoy if keenum comes out like alex smith did last year here in the second preseason game not the first preseason game if you recall alex smith didn't even take a snap in the first preseason game and jay's history has been to play the starting quarterback very little and have them throw very little in the preseason alex smith threw fourteen times total last year in the preseason in two games he played five total ceres in the preseason last year and by the way you know he they started off two in one but maybe they were fortunate that they opened up with arizona last year 'cause because arizona was terrible. Remember jay has had a problem starting seasons since he's been the head coach here you had the first year of really not being ready in houston austin and then it was miami twenty fifteen they only score ten points that it was the steelers on a monday night in two thousand sixteen and they were not prepared and they weren't prepared pared in two thousand seventeen for philadelphia at home <hes> last year. They seem to be prepared in part because the opponent was so awful <hes> the cardinals were the opponent remembering week two. They did not look like a prepared outfit offensively <hes> i'd like to see the quarterbacks and receivers get into rhythm with lots of attempted passes. I would like to see the potential starters in this preseason. Throw thirty plus times. If not more the good teams the teams teams that won consistently brady russell wilson rogers brady in particular look at some of his pass attempt games in the preseason and tell me that the redskins may <hes> be able to learn something from an actual <hes> a championship team <hes>. I heard doc this morning doc said for years. We've been talking about this preseason and it does i it's beyond him <hes> how little the starters play and they're always concerned about people getting hurt when he said why. The people that you have healthy have been some five hundred <hes>. He said that they give them scripts. They tell them what to expect and he said gibbs as a coach. You may have heard of never gave us any indication about how much we were going to play worked out pretty well for him all right <hes> quick word about stamps dot com and and then let's bring in chris cooley stamps dot com is something that we're using here at the kevin sheehan show seven hundred thousand small businesses are already using stamps dot com. You need stamps dot com. It's one of the most popular time saving tools for small businesses. Stamps dot com eliminates trips to the post office and saves you money with discount. You can't even get at the post office. Stamps dot com brings all of the amazing services of the post office right to your computer whether you're a small office sending invoices and online sellers shipping products or even a warehouse sending thousands of packages a day. We don't do that here. We do send out invoices. We do send out mail and we used stamps dot com because they handle it all with these simply. Use your computer to print official u._s. 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I gotta kinda. Hold on hold on hold on just for people who don't know what you're talking about because why don't alam out. Don't tell me i'm going missile him out tomorrow on the air. Okay he's got. Don't you think he's got a good enough sense of humor to be okay with that. It's an anonymous honest mistake. It's honest mistake but more importantly don't you think he's got a good enough sense of humor and isn't overly sensitive to that stuff where it won't bother them. They're people. We know that i wouldn't do that too you but i i would feel okay doing it with him. Go ahead. You don't think i should do it. Do you know i know i clinton. Florida said he was going to lose an hour going to cleveland. I asked him he didn't want to wake up. He didn't want to wake up to your podcast eight nine. I asked clinton portis actually to come on the radio show tomorrow at nine a._m. And he said i'm in cleveland that's eight a._m. My time and i said nah it's not it's it's nine a._m. Cleveland's eastern standard time he said oh okay that's fine. It's an honest mistake. Hey greg huff our producer my current producer on the radio show in our producer <hes> <hes> both of our producer the guy that produce our show cooling kevin <hes> thought that it was there were half hour standard under times like wait. A minute isn't indianapolis. I it would be eight a._m. Here isn't it eight thirty in indianapolis. Remember what he said that yeah <hes> i do that is much worse. They hit that is actually that is much worse. No doubt well yeah there was there was another other day that we were having that conversation where you said it was paramount that when you tech somebody you you tell them what time their time you would like them the show yes and so you text me yesterday and said ten forty five. I know that i know you watch that. No and you know what years ago i had an appearance in dc on my way back. I remember and i forgot that there was actually a time change and so i couldn't stop. I remember that everyone i wanted to be. I don't need to tell you what time i am on. I you know because i know you so well. I know that you're not doing your podcasts at twelve forty five but they did have to think about it because congratulations. You have a radio show now and so. I didn't know your podcast anymore. Yes i have a radio show and i your radio star. I wish as you know that i had that radio show with you and you know you feel the same way away and <hes> whatever like i greg and i both talked about it on the first show this week because people have asked me i mean overwhelming numbers of people have asked me what about cooley and i just said look you can ask me but i don't have the answers to it. It's what i would have preferred word and it's probably what he would have preferred but it's not a within my control situation so <hes> are you go yeah we. We have some answers. We just don't have any control right so so. I haven't even looked i. I'm sure a million people asked me to tell you no seriously seriously i have had no less than a couple of hundred of twitter notifications so glad you're back on radio really really excited. What about cooling. Is he going to be a part of the show or we're gonna get cooley and kevin back and i'm not responding on twitter. I responded on the radio show the other day. I just don't want to turn it. The thing i that was my preference. That was your preference. It's not within our control so in the interim you'll occasionally finally make appearances on the podcast arianna all right whatever you want buddy. I know all right so they open up the preseason. He's in tomorrow night. Jay has said <hes> jay the reports are that colts not gonna play tomorrow night <hes> and that the three quarterbacks ax will be keenum haskins in this other guy woodrum's right now based on anything you've heard and i know you have not been at camp. I mean this. This is a first for you. You have not been to training camp. I'm for the first time in a while. <hes> how what do you think the depth chart actually looks like there was the unofficial depth up chart put out the other day which was cold case and haskins. What do you think it is in jay's mind right now coal. I don't know it's case are asking the two. I don't think you bury them at three though haskins. I think that's tough but i do think he's gonna be three if he's not ready to play so cold case asking the other kid woodrum's right quake in the preseason he doesn't they don't the best thing to do is to not play cold though you know coke coke leaps and bounds ahead of these guys in terms of understanding the offense damian rhythm receivers unique colts play what i think's interesting is case from everything. I've heard is not well. I don't wanna say that. I've heard he's behind but you don't hear glowing reports about how far ahead he is in his first year in office that makes sense if he was if he was if he was so far ahead at least of understanding the offense everyone would say wow this guy. This guy gets it super smart i don't. I don't hear that anywhere and you don't hear that about dwayne so i ah say the colts prior starter as a week one unless the winning really grows in the next month you yeah no. I haven't given you credit for this. Because i sort of forgot. I don't always remember what you say and when you say but usually <hes> i mean when you say something really important i remember but you did say after the draft <hes> even after the case keenum trade i'm back in february or march whenever that trade was you said colts is going to be the number one in camp you did say that and a lot of people assumed it would be keenum after the trade keenum would be the number one guy in camp and you said as long because he's healthy and he's recovered from the broken leg colts going to be so far ahead <hes> with the system that that it's gonna be really hard for anybody else to supplant on him. <hes> i do. I would debate you on whether or not colts should play. I don't know why you would say even if he's the clear cut number one why you wouldn't want him to play at all in the preseason. Why has nothing to do with him. Because you want your other two guys to get reps you but you need probably want starters. Not really this this. I don't i mean he can get reps in two games and he'd be fine. You really don't well. You said you don't want him to play at all in the preseason. I'm gonna i know i said i'm fine with not playing tomorrow night. Oh okay i but you said in your starter. He's got to play a little bit. Sorry for the misunderstanding there. You know that you know last year. Alex smith threw fourteen total passes played five total series in the preseason and they did open up with arizona which was fortunate <hes> before they laid an egg and and put out a dud against against india and that jay's got a history here of starting very slowly after not really playing his offense starters very much in preseason. Why why wouldn't you take some of that data. Look at it and say you know what maybe i need these guys to play a little bit more against somebody else other than our own guys last year they played well that arizona and a half and remember jay's offenses but was very oh. This is awful. Don't get me wrong so yes. I don't know maybe he'd have to peel back that data a little bit <hes> <hes> where did that come from came from you the kirk yeah. You've been listening to the podcast. Good good for you want it. I need it it. That bothered me. You know that bothered me on. We can talk about that but i mean under the quarterbacks listen jay. You gotta know what dwayne is. You gotta know doing is the season you gotta know that the way in is as soon as you possibly can and if you play you so you can play case in a little bit with the starters. I think he played with the starters if i'm jay i'm making a decision whether it's closer coulter case right now. How is your starter. If if the wings not ready and i if if it's not cases the starter case isn't gonna take the reps with the ones it'd be doing during would start for for me in this preseason game. I want to know what he is. You have you have you took him. At fifteen years. Okay good quarterback. They're ready to play. I agree that i the with the way you just laid it out. If it's clear to jay that colt is going to be his starter in the opener. Inert philadelphia and case has no chance to catch him then on getting to wayne haskins all of the other you know first team reps in these preseason games rather than giving him the case keenum in fact if if he starts if i get more confident haskins as a backup i mean you have to have a backup with colt colt mccoy as we know 'cause. He won't survive sixteen games. He may not even survive five or six but i you and i've had this conversation before nights suggested sitting in the last couple of days to various people who have been on the show it wouldn't shock me if colt wins this easily in cases a disappointment if they try to move case yeah. I wouldn't be shocked at all. I think they the other thing you have to consider when you're looking all of this. Is there still a chance to alex. Smith is ready to play ten games into this season. No there isn't yes. There is our now i i don't. I think it's out it's not. I don't think that well i mean no. I don't mean it's reported out. I don't think the redskins are throwing out. You might be right. Oh he still can't walk wait. We'll do this in december say. I guess i'll give you credit can't believe he's ready the play it's not it's not out of the equation so i so i wouldn't be surprised if if dwayne steps up up and is it okay then you could trade case. I don't know what you get for them. But it depend on another teams need lead you could also trade him three or four weeks into the season. I think that's another thought if something happened to someone in the season because if if you're looking that colt say cold to guy that's injury from in and you're assuming that he's going to be hurt. You don't wanna trade case. It gets hurt three weeks in because then you have one quarterback on your roster in your stuffing spot last year. You got just doing so it is hard to do. You know what i'm saying. Hold on here for a second and still still trying to wrap my head around you thinking that alex smith might play late this coming season every indication from everybody and even even listening to alex is that he just got the contraption thing the fixate or whatever they call it off his leg. What two weeks ago or three weeks exco. He still can't put any sort of weight on his leg. At this point websites my phone <hes> he can't put any weight on that particular leg. He nearly lost the leg not that that would be an indication of of rehab timing but every indication is that his career is more likely than not over and you think there's a chance based on what you've heard and the people you've talked to that. He could be ready to play at the end into this coming season. Not anything about i haven't talked to any wasn't what makes you think that one. I have talked to size when months ago and he could oh to play again. He said it took him a couple of years but a couple of years asian the end of the beginning of this year. He thought he could have played joke. Okay whatever it was <hes>. Medical technology is incredibly advanced and alex. Smith has gotta drive. I have to play if if he wants to play again. This is the time for him to get back on back on the field wayne's waiting i. It's just a hunch that it has nothing to do with talking to anybody. I just don't think that you throw it out. I'll give you the renter. The redskins have not once thrown out. There's no champion claes's. I've got one time. I'll give you two to one odds on one hundred dollars bet that he doesn't play in two thousand nineteen so she want to to one's awful. You're right okay go. She ate it. What do you like scaring bookie of all time. How do you want even five five to one. I'll give you a give you four to one. I mean i know what the actual true odds would be but that doesn't mean that i'm willing to give them to you. I'll give you four to one on one hundred dollars. Bet i wondered. Did you win four hundred if he plays what'd you say five to one. You can't believe it now. I'll leave it up to like the one i'm i'm sorry what are the real twenty two one hundred m. They might be longer than that. I'm not willing to give those odds though i'm not i'm not talking to you know especially the way you set it so decisively. You've sort of backtracked a little bit but initially your haven't. I haven't backtrack you you try to you. Try to wrangle me. I'll give you i'll give you five to one take it or leave it right. Now i just did i just said by one. Take it or leave it. I know that but then went to a should be twenty one. I'll give you five to one hundred dollars. Yeah okay okay gear document that because he b._t. Tends to forget a lot of these bets <hes> five to one alex. He's got alex smith playing in two thousand nineteen. I have not ready to play ready. No no no no no playing playing that means dwayne would have to have had failed or had failed. Actually plane is a different aunt. They might say he's ready to play when he really no. He's not ready to play you might go to tony wiley and say l. split five hundred bucks with you. If you put a release south through that says alex smith is near you got the practice he'd had kids to play gender play. The kids just say it. I'll be ready to play you. Gotta put pads on for a game how about that. He's on the roster that could be a a symbolic farewell thing inputting pads on for a game a five to one ready to play means legitimately adamantly and we'll both know practicing the only game day roster. He's named a roster is practicing your game day roster fine. You're right the the forty six or whatever it is when they make the you know when when they give you the the <hes> what some call list at at at at the inactive list okay <hes>. What are you hearing about camp so far players that are playing well players as their disappointed with i mean you may not even be that connected to what's going on because you've been out west but are you hearing anything that would be of interest to our listeners. We you know i can still the watch practice. What the what the actual after practice you're not watching it. Live yeah the the all twenty two. I i can and watch practice. I am employee of the redskins. Have you been watching. It not really okay was that. Why did you know that i'd heard word. I'd heard <hes> pierce bacher really better than west martin's. I watched that for. There's brocker does a really good so i thought he looks good. I eh those guys have a chance to start at left. Guard depending on you know what happens. I i love my guy donald pens. They're right william things. Women dot v._p.'s. He's one of those guys that will protect quarterback he is he's a savvy is is good to protect the quarterback but i told you they should sign donald penn for announce. Get that was good. I but really it's it's the quarterbacks and tran. That's that's the deal and in the quarterback situation asian. I think you really do. I know that i was not entirely positive about take dwayne where they took him but i still i still liked him flair. I think you gotta know when you take him there and so that's the thing i did have thought though you'll like this case is having a hard time with the offense and dwayne. I don't know if either of them have are having a hard time but it's not going the way you would if they were saying they're super smart. You know an offensive coordinator. The head coach could skew an off into playbook to a certain player. Let's overcomplicate. This only really get it yeah. That was i mean. Let's throw everything into the mix on day one and say on catch up the the problem with that is by the way i'm not discounting that as a possibility but what it would say if it was actually being done is that this is the only way they can convince the owner. That twain isn't going to be ready to start week one and you know he doesn't know what they're calling even what they're doing and you wouldn't see it in the preseason. It'll still be simplifying them where he's even well then. What's the point. I mean if it's if it's just j's decision. Why would he have to do that. Well guess you'd have to wayne saying i'm not one hundred percent ready 'cause he's been pretty clear on on his pickup of the offense and how he's grasping. Oh the flash cards they're using and all the other. Little gimmicks are learning. The rookies are using to learn the offense when you know you don't say i gotta wow so one of the things i talked about earlier. Maybe you heard me talk about it on the podcast. I think i talked about it. On the podcast is just big picture the one thousand nine hundred thousand season less it becomes a miraculous you know <hes> colt mccoy healthy. They're six in three there. You know in first place. They're having a great season. Somehow you know barring that. I want dwayne haskins to start half. The games is this year i want him to start eight plus games this year and if he doesn't i think that will be telling given what this league has been about for highly drafted quarterbacks back in recent years. If you're good you play if you if you're drafted in the first half of the first round you play the only guy that didn't was mahomes and you know i think you can make the case that mahomes would have been ready to start in that first year given what we saw your to do you agree with that that dead barring a great season like the context of colt mccoy's having an unbelievable year the defense is great and there were six three were in first place that we i need to see dwayne haskins for eight plus games or that's an indication that maybe they didn't get it right no question unless cole mccoy is steve young that would be his comp right. There was a running moving unless he steve young. I wanna see you ask them and i guess you could say you know. Colt mccoy's playing in the top ten in the league in in terms of quarterbacks in your offense. It's top ten top fifteen which is tough because i don't know if you have the weapons even at the point to be that it's it's time for dwayne to play you. Just gotta no you can't. It's too hard now in in the league to to wait for a long time with these guys and the other thing you gotta know in this year with jay. If it's a mess with jay and right it's a mess with the connell and he's your future you win with quarterbacks in this league and so it's it's would figure out what what this relationship and chip is and what we can do with it can does it frustrate you. I mean one of the reasons. I brought this up the other days. It's just been a little bit frustrating for for me to hear from redskin fans and even a lot of people in the media who say wow they're. They're if they're patient. That's the smart thing like he could potentially sit for the for the entire entire first year and learn behind colton case and i'd be fine with that i wouldn't i would not be fine with that. The only way i'd be fine with that is if the team team with the other two quarterbacks one or the other two quarterbacks was a playoff team and and they were in the hunt all year long and you just didn't want to break up that a possibility other than that. I better see him play a lot this year. I'm a hundred percent with you and you mentioned mahomes with the cheeser playoff team with alex smith right that that's the difference. They knew i think andy reid knew they were a playoff team with with with alex smith and the pieces they had around them so it was fine to let mahomes sit the per year you also. How much value did you gain in alex smith that year kansas city if you benched alex from from a homes what what were we gonna trade him for fourth third best fit because the year he had which is the best year of his career with well. I liked hurry kill. He gets worked out. It worked out very well for them. That's not often the case and for the most part when you look at quarterbacks the end up having success they play it didn't work out very well for them because they lost first round playoff game at home to the titans so so i know what you're saying also take. It worked out very well in terms of alexander goodyear. They don't allow value out of alex and then mahomes. It became a superstar in the next year right. We're out well now giving year but they could have. They were good enough team to win a playoff game they just didn't but perhaps komo homes playing as a rookie. They may have been a super bowl contender. You will never no question about who's the most important guy on the staff for dwayne. Haskins is it j o'connell or cavenaugh. It's it's jay and kevin okay and kevin's not to say the jays incredibly important because he will be the kevin's the installation guys well so kevin's going to be a big time for the development of haskins but jay oversees. All of it and jason biggs part of it so it's both of them. It's fifty fifty d._j. And jane o'connell what about retakes. What is his involvement as the quarterback. I think that'll help. I think that'll help the quarterbacks coach for the most part when i i was there was a guy that that was going to help reassure but the o._c. You always met with the quarterbacks and i'm sure that's what o'connell does as well. He's installation guy. I meet with the quarterbacks. Exclusively matteo will be a part of that as well and he'll add to it in in. He'll help build confidence and he'll help them with. I wanna be intricacies. You'll have all the finite reads and thing things on little plays that they'll have to do but the installation and most of the media a hundred into the helmet will be o'connell you you said this shanahan told me this. Somebody else told me this and i'm not sure who it was because i can't remember but you said that basically a week. You know no no more than two weeks into camp. J.'s gonna know on the quarterback. Do you think he i mean you. You've essentially said that you think colt mccoy's got a significant lead. Do you think that he's absolutely dead set on cold starting the opener at philadelphian and rolling out with colt as long as cold can take him. You know an m._b._a. Between colton case if he's not rift wayne but i don't know if dwayne isn't ready to start art you don't you don't know that or you think that i think it's gonna be open job for doing hostile okay if dwayne haskins doesn't make significant progress because i think overall what we've heard at least from a lot of the beep guys that are down there and even just re reading between the lines with with jay gruden's press conferences each day even listening to duane who by the way is very poised. He's smart. He's fast on his feet and interviews. He comes off is very very self aware humble all of that <hes> it would it would appear as if he's significantly behind colt mccoy at the very least if not also case keenum so let's assume for a moment that he doesn't start the opener because he just not ready to start an n._f._l. Game yet once the regular season <unk> starts. How does he improve well. He's gonna spend both at a time throughout every week week watching film studying defenses with a lot of good people around him alex cole. Maybe case probably case o'connell. Donald retake gruden. He's not gonna take a lot of reps in practice but he can go out and he can work with all the receivers he can throw off the droughts he can he he can learn a ton in terms of understanding offense and defense. It's it's a big step the other thing with the wayne it hard when you're a one year guy you know look at the the jump trubisky took. He was a one year guy at north carolina. It's hard when you're a one year guy. One year player in college come out early and your college didn't call plays at the line of scrimmage. You just clap for snap count. There's a lot that goes into getting the offense orchestrated not just making the place and and so he can learn all of that stuff you can every day we'll. He takes scout team. Quarterback reps absolutely he doesn't employees. Yes okay but they're not going to help him. I was gonna say d- does that actually ended up being more confusing when you have to you know essentially essentially mimic the opposing team's quarterback in that that particular team system most most times. You don't mimic a quarterback. You just read a card art and tell you where to throw the ball or you. Throw the ball the who's open. It's not they don't call plays you. You know you don't really play sometimes. If you have a a similar type offenses similar styles similar plays like retain would run the scout team or one of the juicy q._c.'s during the scout team each day this dragon lion here but they wouldn't call plays in the huddle they just hold up a picture card and they operate on that so it no it won't that's not going to help him at all. What would help him as the time it spend and i'm sure if he wants to play this year he's going to be in there with a starter all day monday monday and tuesday breaking down the defense and understanding not what we're going to do what they're going to do every week. I hope jay gets him. Melodic snaps and a lotta throws in the preseason. You know one of the things in you and i talked about this the last two years i i don't understand why the projected rejected starting quarterback during the preseason under jay gruden didn't throw the ball more 'cause brady throws it a shitload in the preseason. You know some all of these other quarterbacks at our longtime. Elite veterans throw a lot in the preseason. It seems to me and i think you've told me that i'm right about this that one of the things you can can actually achieve in the preseason as you can get reps against an opponent in the past game with your quarterback in your receivers to try to get into some rhythm even without got a game plan and maybe that's why some of these better teams with better quarterbacks. Let him throw twenty five times and a half. Jay's never done that with any of these projected starting in quarterbacks. I'd like to see haskins for sure. Chuck it all over the field. What's he gonna learn from handing the ball off. You're gonna learn anything from the ball off off and i'm with you. I like to see them. Throw the ball. I i wanted to catch ten balls in preseason to get going right but i understand if you peel this back a little bit colder. Probably alex didn't have any problem problem calling the play getting the checks understanding the protections. They had a good feel for what they were doing. Don't tena has got to learn that the other part of this is there is who's the one receiver who's the to receiver nights trae. He's gonna be your slot. Who's who's there's three receiver. All these spots are up for grabs if you feel the ball ten times again. What are you gonna see how they need these guys and for me. Oh you know a lot of times. I wasn't the best practice player so if i had to dig in training camp you might not see the catch the maybe some of these guys all of the sudden and game day our blazing after the look at this guy tackles and he's all over the field here so you've gotta find out what you have in some of these receivers as well and you're not gonna do that without throwing the ball yet. I mean i'm lifting break. I'm looking at brady's numbers from the pre season last year. He didn't play in the first game he played in the second second and third. He threw forty four times in two preseason games. Alex smith threw fourteen times in two preseason games in a lot of it may be for the benefit of what you were talking about the other players. I don't know i i think he's never done it before. I understand that but he's never been a situation where he's got to get a rookie quarterback. In no-name fevers it kind of looks well. He did with kirk cousins in two thousand fifteen. You know he's a second year guy in two thousand sixteen. I sometimes like i sometimes i. I am very impressed with j. As an offensive guys pass offense guy the whole thing the stuff you've explained to me before and other times. I think he's really stubborn and just doesn't learn like i you. They have started slowly in every single one of his seasons. They've lost the opener have looked ill prepared for the opener and they didn't prepare in the preseason with their starting starting offense for more than you know four or five total series you know over four stretched over four games last. They got arizona in the opener. They got a terrible team in the opener. That probably made them look better than they were because in week two. They looked awful offensively. I just wish it would they would think about changing it up a little bit but anyway well. I'm with you i think he i think he has to change it up a little bit and i i think the other side side of this is if o'connell's going to call plays and o'connell's going in style offense and it'd be a part of it. He's probably got a lot of new ideas and thoughts and you're gonna wanna see those as well in the preseason at least in their simplest form warm and and get him a feel for it as well. You have a lot of new things so you can't just run twelve duo right banging in your head against the wall on the preseason by the way i said before you came on that tomorrow night. There's one thing we could learn in in bear with me here. For a moment. The fact that colts not playing tomorrow night maybe an indication of what you think which is called the way ahead of everybody but if case keenum were to come out and play one series and then consider it. I think it would be an indication that case is actually a little bit closer than we think to coal and if he comes out and plays a full quarter or more than it just sort of verifies what you've said that colts got a significant lead. Do you agree with that or not. I think you could look at it a lot of waste race. If colt comes or case comes out and plays one series you could also say that you want to duane to get so much work with the starter in with starters and you you know what case can do. You've seen taste do it in two different places. You know you know he's capable of you. Gotta know what the wing capable of so that that's it's a definite possibility of a way you could look at it and yeah if colts definitely the starter and cases your backup you know. How much is it gonna play and also i think in some respects you have to look at it like cases veteran you. We're going to give him the week one reps with if the starter's he's too on the depth chart. We'll just i don't like that way but sometimes it happens that way. Where you don't want to announce anything you don't wanna say anything. Give them two or three series breath and then you put the more political with switch subjects <hes>. What is your feeling about trent williams today. You got to trade him. I i love trent. I do <hes> he's been and a friend of mine for a long time. I respect if he truly feels the way he feels about the medical staff <hes> that that's a problem for him. I respect expect that. All players want new money. If that's a problem for him when i when you say something negative about your organization well he hasn't set it publicly my opinion. That's good organizations move on the steelers patriots. They move on on from those guys but hold on. I lost you there for a second. Because you were switching to speaker i think but said anything publicly now maybe others have spoken spoken on his behalf and that's how we've gotten the jason lockenfora report and some of the jerry brewers stuff and some of the dangelo hall stuff but but threat you know hasn't said one thing publicly no it's odd in these situations for him to not ah respond but to thing publicly you get the feeling like he feels exactly the way it came out or he. That's that's the narrative was out if he didn't want that narrative out he mended wouldn't you wouldn't you. Wouldn't you walk that one back from other people and say look about medical staff and it's not it's it's actually yeah. I mean look you thought initially was mostly about money. I sort of went with what you thought. I talked to a couple of people you know <hes> on the condition of anonymity a week ago who said no this is really about the fact that it was not communicated to him that it was an urgent situation to get this thing looked at even though the team did know it existed you know as as as as long ago as two years ago at charley casserly came on with me today and said it's all about money according to his information and said he would never give even the money that it was a front loaded five year deal trenton new on the back end that he wasn't going to be you know the the number one paid left tackle in the game. He signed the deal. He's got a two years left on the daily should play forward and doesn't think the redskins will budge. I don't think they're gonna budge either. Which is why i would trade him. I personally you know how i feel. I would rebooted booted this whole thing in january of last year and look to to get as much back for trent williams and ryan kerrigan is i could because those are the two veterans that you could actually get get something back for <hes> but do you think that bruce will trade him or do you think he'll be stubborn and try to win this this standoff <hes> first of all you you were right in january. I i told you you were crazy. It would've been in their benefit if it to have done at that point i i don't see this as a bruce has to win scenario he wants he's he's player to play for him and he has he the redskins. They have all the contractual right for trente show and play trent in agreed to come and play he agreed to that deal and players are given every opportunity to seek other medical attention. This wasn't a it happened in the season type of injury from what i understand so it wasn't a hey. Can we get them ready to play next week type of deal. We had time to go see doctors. No one's holding you hostage in terms of not getting medical attention so i look they can find him every single day and maybe he'll take that every single day same time. I don't think they can pay them and i've heard people say like money might fix this whole thing. Money's not gonna fix it your star player or one of your star players leader on the team that he doesn't believe in his medical staff. That's a problem yep. I it would be great if somebody lost a big time left tackle and got desperate and offered bruce of first of fourth and maybe you know a a a backup inside linebacker or something like that <hes> that would be it would be awesome and they're right now. They're not in a hurry because and finally camp certainly doesn't need to play one snap and training camp. You'll be ready to play week one and so if you're going to trade him somewhere he'll be fine to go step in and and play as soon as he's traded to that team so we'll see it's new. I've never this has never happened in this way. I've never seen a player. Hold out for something and mike this and so i think everybody's a little bit surprised by it and and i don't know i kind of understand it from both sides but <hes> at the same time i signed deal man and the n._f._l. The n._f._l. Some of these deals are it stinks because you you don't have full authority like other sports but if you want a different step up in the next few a and fight for more guaranteed deal i i the last thing before we we roll here antonio brown first of all erin. Did you watch hard knocks last night i did he's insufferable for starters but have you seen cooley. The picture of antonio brown's feet disgusting. Do you know what the cause was. No it just came out antonio brown's mysterious foot injuries. The result of extreme frostbite caused by cryotherapy iowa therapy a cryotherapy machine. This is according to e._s._p._n. He was not wearing appropriate footwear when he entered heard the cryotherapy chamber last month in france and burned his feet leaving them frostbitten according to the source <music> one of those the raiders do i've been in one of those trial chambers you the state in for a long time. I want schefters reporting that. They don't believe that this injury is a long term injury injury <hes> but his feet are blistering and peeling and it's been hard for him to really run without pain. He's not not been available for any of the raiders. Training camp practices yet well that is that is unfortunate for them because i can say trent. Williams is ready to play antonio brown. It will be fine but his quarterbacks not gonna get a feel for him. No that is that what is special i but i don't know i i look at you. Mentioned we talk about trade. You work as a team like the steelers they just they don't deal with it no they don't mess around with this stuff and that's that's what you do you create a culture and he's stay with something that you believe in and that's how you establish a long term successful organization well looking to create for things if this is more about money any i'm. I'm behind the organization now i want. I don't want them to try. His less carpenter suggested last week in the post to bleed him to death <hes> i i want him to trade radim <hes>. I don't think it's a it's a major precedent that you set for ryan kerrigan next year whatever i personally would trade him but i would not pay him. I i would not pay trent williams and i and i can understand the frustration with two years left on a deal especially given that apparently he wanted it front loaded. Ah the way casserly explained it to <hes> to me this morning and and <hes> i do understand it so in part what you just described is what bruce and maybe dan are trying to do is is create the culture of if you're gonna do this. We're not giving in and we're gonna. We're gonna either move on from you or you're. We're gonna sit and not get paid. I i'm sorta with i. I'm with you too and i don't know if so i wouldn't bleed him dry either. I believe i bleed him dry until we couldn't trade him but i would just say look this is this is our right and you're supposed to be here but by the time you got the season i i'd say hey. You're not going to get paid. We're gonna keep trying to trade you but you're not. We're not paying right i wouldn't i wouldn't continue to find him. Whatever it is ten thousand dollars a day well that can be rescinded to once. He comes back in if he does come back in a according to the redskins can rescind all those fines and he won't have to pay him <hes> all right dried safely <hes> try to get some sleep rather than going you know forty seven straight hours or whatever you did last time with a lot of red red bull points twenty two to twenty two cleveland okay and you're gonna drive it straight through why left what accurate accurate factoring in the the the time change. I left early enough that i- i'll sleep i can sleep i need to be you should be fine because it's twelve o'clock. You left at <hes> basically <hes> nine a._m. Wyoming time eleven o'clock cleveland times or twenty two hours would put you in at nine nine a._m. Cleveland time tomorrow night tomorrow morning so you got plenty of time. I got plenty of time to sleep moraga yeah do that. Please rather than doing the twenty two straight hours. I'll talk to you later. Thanks that ed thanks. How about that antonio brown story. I mean you know this is a lot more sense than fungus or whatever yeah jethro pugh is a name. You've never heard of. He's one of the great all-time dallas cowboys defensive tackles in in the famous ice bowl game against the packers in december of nineteen sixty seven december thirty first nineteen sixty seven in that game that started ready to fifteen below zero jethro pugh got frostbite during that game <hes> and he can't he continued to play and continued to have a career that i think probably only lasted another seven eight nine years something like that. I forget what year he retired but <hes> he was a defensive tackle. Not a fleet wide receiver be interesting to see if something like that actually impacts <hes> antonio brown <hes> if you're listening to this podcast on itunes rate us in review us. It helps us subscribe as well well. <hes> doesn't cost you anything tommy back with me. Tomorrow will preview the skins first preseason game of the year have a great day.

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Silver & Black Pridecast Ep 13: Blogger mock draft pick 4

Silver & Black Pride

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Silver & Black Pridecast Ep 13: Blogger mock draft pick 4

"Hey listeners we're in the heat of one of the greatest sports events of the year. You guessed it March madness. And the best place to stay on top of all the NCAA tournament. Coverage CBS sports HQ, what is CVS forte JR. Q. It is the free twenty four hour sports network. That's built for fans. Just like you from nonstop highlights to news and analysis. CBS sports HQ got you covered checkout. CBS sports HQ. It is always on always free not to pay a subscription fee or have an expensive cable package. Download the CBS sports app on your phone fire TV Roku or apple TV start watching today. Welcome back to a very special silver and black pride has actually technically every episode of the silver and black pride cast is a special one for being completely honest. But this episode, however is extra special in that it coincides with the SP nation blogger mock draft my name is Levi Damian, by the way in I'm here as often is the case with the one and only Tyler Smith a raider dumbest. And it is our pick pick up at number four in the blogger mock draft over the first three picks. The the cardinals got Cuyler Murray the San Francisco forty Niners got Nick Bosa the New York Jets got Josh Allen. And thus taking the top to pass rushers off the board before the raiders even have their pick number four. So what do we have the raiders doing? Well, had them taking Quinton William. Rooms defensive tackle out of Alabama. My take on this is that I would be looking to trade down. If I were the raiders, unfortunately in these blogger mock draft, we aren't doing any kind of trades or anything like that. I see them definitely being open for business for any kind of trades down mainly because the two top pass rushers are off the board. But if you you're looking at best player available that is that is quitting Williams. He's considered one of the best players at any position in this draft. A lot of seeing a lot of big boards have him like like number two in a lot of behind Nick boasts are whatnot. And if you're just going pure value, you're you're going with Quentin Williams Tyler what is your thought on the pick? Are there a lot of people that I've read, and then I've talked to who thinks that claim Williams is in fact, the best player in this draft regardless of position. And if you can't get one of the top to address yours, I don't seek when Williams early as a consolation price, nor do I see the fourth take as its rate down scenario in that situation. And let's get a really good offer from somebody who wants Williams or even doing housing's if you can get a few first round picks in the future that would be great. But but I I love Williams. I think he's fantastic. And there's addresses up and down this draft first round second round. You can get them. You can get him down to the fourth really really good guys. So I think if you can get Williams at the fourth pick, you can get your address your needs Slater and Williams is the most disruptive interior defender in this drought bar, none. Every single play at Alabama. His game tape is fantastic. He's just wrecking shop disrupting anything the offense wants to do against Alabama. They just can't do because Williams is in the middle there just destroying all their intentions. Bringing down the ball carrier rushing the passer, stuffing, the run he eats space. And he's a fantastic pass rush around the interior. He's everything you wanna see from interior defensive tackle, I guess here or talking about pass rusher. Mainly we we're talking about edge rusher. And as we've discovered over the last few years interior pressure is also quite important with all those the many years that the couple years there were really the you had Bruce Irvin in Coloma on the outside. And they got little to no help from the inside in it really showed. So if you're thinking of those terms bring in a guy like when Williams who had eight sacks last year, which is pretty outstanding from the interior in nineteen and a half tackles for loss that is highly disruptive. The only thing that really sticks with me in terms of when I say on say, if you can't, you know, you miss out on those addresses, which they need so bad. In the enemy. You're talking about not being consolation prize. I wouldn't really I don't really wanna call it that per se. But when you had last year, you spent your second round pick on defensive tackle when PJ hall a menu got you fell into getting MAURICE Hurst in the fifth round who without that heart condition. He was pretty highly regarded, I mean, almost as highly regarded is gonna wins is now as a as an interior disruptor, and you've got that guy. So now, you're looking at doubling up on that the only instance, I can when I when I think of like why any team would do that. I look at the Rams last year when they had Aaron Donald and yet they still sign dumb consume and put into interior disruptors than with the raiders go back and forth on it. You what do you do with what you do with PJ hall in what you do with the sign? Jonathan hankins in. You'd have a hell rotation. What's that? Just to know us is still doing. Yeah. Yeah. I I of course, I mean, that's kind of kinda give it. I'm just thinking in terms of like, they just drafted PJ hall, and he's supposed to be an interior. Disruptor hankins started most last lss a nose tackle. He's he doesn't do much more than stop the run. So I that's why I didn't mention him at all in that. He's kind of a. Yeah, he's there, but I don't see him. He's not the same type of players Quinton Williams's. So they wouldn't really be competing with each other per se. It's just a it'd be it'd be a really crowded interior at it. But as we've talked about it, it's hard to it's hard to argue just taken a talent like him that high in the draft him. You don't really wanna reach for need. If you don't have to. Having too many good players at defensive tackle is a good problem to have maybe one of the best problems to happen football. But I look at a guy like Aaron Donald the guy you just mentioned Aaron Donald fell to the thirteenth pick in the draft in two thousand fourteen non thinking of any production issues, but because he's only six feet tall. And people were concerned he was too short to play the defensive tackle position, which turned out to be patently ridiculous. Anybody with a brain knew it at the time, but he did fold the Rams at at thirteen and they were quick to pick him up. And he's been a two time defensive player of the year. When you have a guy with this level of talent, this who's this highly rated this highly ranked who is six three three hundred three pounds thirty three and a quarter insurance runs a forty yard dash in four point eight seconds. You not pass up on him. No matter where you are in the drought. If he falls to you, this is just this kind of player he's better than hall you'll build around guys like this. I don't care how many good defensive tackles. You have. It's still not going to be enough. When you have the kind of offense is that we have. And they have C west. All right. So you I mentioned the possibility of trading down how much possibility the you think trading down is for the raiders in the I mean, if you had your pick between taking Quinton Williams and trading down a little bit getting some extra picks, adding pass rusher. I notice a lot of hypotheticals there. What do you what do you do it? If a team like the giants wanted to trade up and offered six seventeen or if the Bengals of the Detroit up and and offered their pick in their first round next year. Sure, I consider it. There's good defensive tackles in this draft. You gotta Christian welcomes who's just sitting there. Who's almost as good as quitting Williams. But not quite you've got at all over who's sitting there who's very highly ranked us almost as good as coin quitting Williams. But not quite and you've got Edris you're sitting there like doing fairly Brian burns, and Jalen, Ferguson and monta sweat, you kind of up and down the first round. So there's a good package there. Sure. Absolutely. Look into it. But if no one's interested in for Williams. Has to be the guy there. So let's let's explore some possible. Trade down types of things we mentioned the giants. I could see the giants jumping up to take Quinton Williams. Absolutely. I could I could see them possibly jumping up to take quarterback like liked Wayne Haskins. But they also have that pick at seventeen to work with. They can either they can either. The they can either wait. Did quarterback there or they can take their quarterback there and wait to stick their defensive tackle, though, they or they can package those move up. A seems like a lot in a trade for the tobacco of six seventeen move up two spots. I honestly can't imagine them giving more than their second round picks up two spots. I know we've seen it last year. I think the team traded up two spots in gave up about to you. I can't remember all the details of that trade. But but I remember how ridiculous that seemed at the time. So it could be bear Butte out to move up and takes your Bisky. They gave up the moon essentially, the trade with the Niners and take their quarterback turn out to be a decent move. 'cause drew Bisky is a pretty good quarterback division where they certainly need one. So we we've seen teams do that before. I I would not be shocked if someone gave a quite the belly to move out to pick for what I what I don't see though is when I'm we're talking about went up two picks is I don't see the giants trading as high as their their seventeen picked. Two spots because that's the kind of trade you make if you're getting a quarterback, and why they would feel the need to make that trade just to get when they when that quarterback that they want is probably gonna probably be there at six unless when traded ahead of the raiders are less the giant straight ahead of the raiders jazz or something like that. I mean, you could look some other teams that are looking for quarterbacks. Get the Broncos get the dolphins in got you got Washington. I think it'd be hard pressed to imagine the raiders and Broncos making any kind of trade because I don't I don't know if the raiders were like, oh sure here. Let's make a trade to give you your franchise quarterback. Because that's a great idea to do with your division rival. And then you look at the, you know, the dolphins at thirteen in Washington at fifteen that's a that's quite a Twitter, quite a drop. So that would either that would be quite spendy and an little bit risky. I've you have you thought about those traits yet? I have I'm not sure that the dolphins or the giants to be honest with even warning get their quarterback in this draft. And that's not because they don't need one. It's just because this quarterback draft is so very weak bureau Tyler Murray, and I'm not even sure he's a surefire Pro Bowl prospect like you would want if you're to trade up that far you would want someone who's at least as good as Matt Ryan. On that on that level. And I'm not sure there's anybody even Haskins lock. I'm not sure are that good. And and a guy like Daniel Jones could be a target for somebody. But they wouldn't have to move up for that. I mean, I'm I'm not convinced. The giants are going to take a quarterback this year at all some people are I'm not I think they're gonna roll with Eli manning. I put this on Twitter a couple of days ago, what they're going to do what they should do is trade with the raiders and take Haskins if they were smart, but they're not they're the New York Giants. You see them do stupid thing thinking this year what they're going to do. And I can almost guarantee this is they're gonna take a pass rusher at six they're probably gonna take an offensive lineman at seventeen they're gonna win and a quarterback. They're gonna play you. I manning until his pancreas falls out that they're not going to draft a quarterback next year either. And they're going to win five games and twenty twenty and they're gonna miss out on Trevor Lawrence, and they're not gonna have a quarterback going forward. And I don't know what they plan on doing. But that's just the pattern of behavior. We've. Seen from them. They're absolutely rudderless and aimless, and I have no idea how anybody roots for that team. Frankly. All right. If you're just joining us, welcome to the New York Giants trashing our with Tyler Smith where he completed dismantles the New York Giants for no reason that I can I can possibly conceive except for maybe he's just a huge later. You know, someone's go the I am I really am. And it's fun. Well, I mean, I think it would take a lot of honestly, I mean, the the two most likely trade up teams that I could see are the dolphins in Washington. But I think it would take the moon. It seems to me for them to move all the way up to four there have to be a lot of crazy things to happen in. Speaking of crazy things to happen raiders next pick is at twenty four currently they made no trades. And it seems to me that there's a strong likelihood there will not be top pass rusher on the board anymore at twenty four. And if they took Quinton Williams at four, and then there were no top pass rushers when they picked twenty four in the first round. And they therefore did not select one that feels like a real swinging amiss on this draft. If you go the top thirty five picks, and you do not get a top pass rusher. On a team that had thirteen sacks in only one of those came from an existing defensive end. And it's looking scary. Well there there's four five six premier pass rushes and the draft. But then there's you know, there's a second. There's a second tier of of pass Russia's I think there's a guy like Zack Allen from Boston College. He's an edge in the not the most exciting looking guy in the world. But he's really really polished. And then there's there's the guy from TCU, Ben. But no goo he's a defensive end. He's a really good pass rusher guy. Like, Brian burns might fall a guy like feral might fall. I mean, there's there's no guarantees when it comes to the draft. When I will say is that if there's a run on pass rushers in the in the teens the raiders might look to package twenty four and twenty seven and move up to ensure that they get their guy because they've got another another pick of the top of the second round. So it's not like they're missing that much. You know, taking an extra player over filling one of the biggest positional needs. I've never seen going into a draft the reading a pass rusher. Like this. It wouldn't. It would not be difficult for them to to move up considering they have too late first round picks. If they want a guy, they can go get a guy and MAC and Gruden know what they're doing as far as that's concerned. So I definitely don't see them coming out of the first round. Even if they take Williams at four without an impact pass rusher. Yeah. I thought about that as well. The the concept of them packaging, either their two first round picks or their first one of those low first round picks and that thirty five pick to move up into the middle of the round at almost seems inevitable disappoint that they would. They would do something like that to ensure they get a guy the you know, that is projected to go around that middle the first round top fifteen like Brian burns or Mont tests, wet for somebody like that or Cleland feral who honestly, I've never really understood why he's not as any is not more highly rated at thought coming in the off season. He was considered. Like a top ten pick for sure and I've seen him dropping into the twenties. And if he were to drop all the twenty four what a find that would be. But as you said, if they start seeing a run on it, I I mean, it would be with the need that they have which is just really unfortunate that the have this need as bad as they do. I could see them, you know, they can't take that chance. If you're start getting in the around fifteen or sixteen you can't take that chance that one of those guys is not gonna get scooped up in the next, you know, five or six picks like I said, it's just a really unfair. It's this is a bad situation. They put themselves in when they with not signing an edge rusher in in and just even like Mike Mayock when he got asked about it. They almost kind of like cagey and defensive when when they get asked about hey, were you a replanning on Guetta signing an edge player some point and the Mike Mannix like you got the money. For it. And it's like we mean, you got you got the money for it. You guys the raiders had the money for it. But if you count the players that they cut they had as many as much as ninety five million dollars available to them, and yeah, they they they signed a few guys to some big money and that money was whittled away. But why wouldn't one of those investments they made be in the biggest need I've ever seen in my life. The and there were guys out there to be had it just blows my mind that it seems like they just don't value the edge rusher position as much as they should. He may have said flat out that he was the team wasn't even in on Justin Houston, which is like really. I mean. Wow. Now, really all this left is the hope that as equal and saw passes all his medical stuff. And then they could get on get in on the sweepstakes for him. But if they're already talking about not having the money to do it is pretty much that ship seems to have sale, and that's really unfortunate. Now, they're going to go into the draft like like absolutely desperate at a position. And they talk about wisely. So they talk about not putting themselves in that position. You wanna give yourself insurance? Make yourself a fill all the fill all the big needs that you have enough to where you don't have to get desperate, and you don't have to reach. And the one position that was the most important is the one position they didn't touch. It is pretty puzzling. When you when you see a need like that co completely unaddressed, but when the raiders addressed so very many of the needs that they had. But none of them were the paramount need that is clearly on, you know, the biggest hold the wrong. Right now. So you figure they're going to go big in the draft to address the need. And frankly, even though Clinton Williams did fall you in this blogger mock draft SP nation, which is fantastic. And I think it'd be a great player for the raiders. I'm not sure if I see him falling that for in real life. You think you'll go before Gwen away is go before fourth overall? I I really do. I don't see the jet sticky. Josh Allen over over Quinton Williams with the opportunity to pair quitting Williams with Leonard Williams in the middle. I just think that'd be to entice for for the jets to pass on. Honestly. Well, there's also, of course, if you're talking about that year. There's certainly a possibility that maybe another team when mixing the giants as a as a team to maybe the two New York teams make swap and they jump up ahead of the raiders. And you know, make in a trade with the jets, and they get Quinton Williams. I mean, I wouldn't be I wouldn't be shocked at the Niners just took him out. Right. At number two. Do you think they would? I don't know about that. I mean, they've they've made a lot of interior defensive line picks in recent years, and they've got a couple of pretty good ones in house. Now, I can't see them passing up Nick Bosa for Quinton Williams. He might be the Nick Bosa might be in most I've seen in some people. That is the one player that is better a better prospect than Clinton Williams to hey, you know, the drought is crazy crazy thing. So we could see all kinds of different. Different. Well, I mean they've they've done it before they took Eric Armstead and deforest Buckner. And then they went out and took Sullivan Thomas very next year. The Niners have done some strange strange things. Well, like, you just mentioned those players. They did some strange things they did that already. You know, what I mean, they got those they they filled all those players that may just be an argument to say that the re that other teams can do the same thing raiders can do the same thing. They could they could they got their two defensive tackles in last year's draft. But they do it again. And when Williams if the if they think he's the best pick. I think that's the only argument that that preside doubt. I highly highly doubt the forty Niners. Would would do it one? Do it yet again, especially because I got me with Allen's there with the with who's up the top of this draft combined with who the Niners just signed it free agency that being a D Ford if anybody's gonna treat out it's going to be them. Prime Prospero prime team that would trade to the eight to twelve range to be honest with you and pick up a hall just like they did from the bears that they would have no issues tweeting out with the guys were top of this draft are superfluous to them right now. And that's a good point. That's a good point. There's a lot of a lot of movement that could happen, and you and you're thinking is that that team trading up to two wouldn't be a team looking to get a quarterback. But rather team looking to take Quinton Williams. If I was training the number two this year. I would take Williams. No question about it. You mean, you would if you were trading up to number two, right? Yeah. I'm sorry. I if I was trading up I would wanna do so because I'm targeting Queen Williams because that's what I mean. You don't think somebody would trade up to get Nick Bosa? They might. But I I he's like I had a position where there's so many players that are almost as good as him Josh Allens almost as good as Simone Nick both as a special player. Don't get me wrong. I mean, his brothers. Special player, but he's not a safe pick considering his his injury history. I if he pans out he'll be an Alzheimer, but Quinton Williams is his floor. I think is let your colleagues, and I think his ceiling is Aaron Donald. And I think if you're gonna move up the two that's the kind of player that you're gonna want to get there. I well, it's clearly the you have his high opinion of Clinton Williams's most people. So I'm sure you'd be pretty excited if the draft fell the way that it did or something similar and Kuhnen Williams was there, and he donned a raiders uniform now from there, we just have to figure out what they would how they would find that edge rusher, they need either. With those Hicks at the bottom of the first round or packaging, a couple of picks to move up in the mid first round to get that education. So we'll revisit mid first round might be the best the best bet there. And I and I think. If it falls that way that they might actually do that. Yeah. I mean, I definitely see that happening. But let's since there as we mentioned before there are no trades in the blogger mock draft because I was just kinda crazy. It'll be interesting once we get to the twenty four th pick. When we we do this again, what's on the board. It'll be fascinating. I look forward to Putin's up on the board when the raiders pick at that point. But all right, we'll wrap this one up for now. 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Russell Wilson's future - Tiger's comeback

The Stinkin' Truth with Mark Schlereth

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Russell Wilson's future - Tiger's comeback

"It's the stink in truth podcast with Marc slayeth presented by core water. Hey, welcome committed sixtieth podcasts. Mark slurred longside. Mike Evans, Scott the hub producing the show. I'm a great show. I mean, obviously for you. We gotta think are presenting sponsor the great folks over core. Water hydrate with core dot com. For more information core water, I mean, delicious, obviously award crisp winning taste, perfectly balanced, seven point four ph balanced match, your body's natural ph and tell you what great way to hydrate whether you're working out with your and whatever you're doing or just drinking water all day. Everybody needs drink more water hydrate with core dot com available at any place water a sold seven eleven in every place else. So that's a hydrate with core dot com. Mike, how are you buddy? I'm doing great tax day. Oh, yeah. But but different added significance because April fifteenth rose. The Russell Wilson imposed deadline to get a deal done. And mark. I never thought I don't think it would happen. But there's a lot of spoke out there to the idea that could the Seahawks be thinking trading. Russell wilson. I can't I cannot imagine. I mean first off if he was up for trade. I would have to believe there would be a line of teams just waiting to get Russell's. I just can't even imagine you getting ready to what Russell Wilson. And, you know, don't don't give me the, hey war. Great running team. And we've always played really good defense. And that we propped up Russell Wilson or that. We can we caught magic in a bottle, you know, lightning in a bottle by by drafting him in the third round years ago. We can do it again. We've got great value where he's don't don't give me that baloney. I did several games for FOX this year. Russell wilson. And I'll tell you the most amazing thing was Russell had less carries. He ran the ball less than he's ever run. The ball at any point is cover and the effect that he has on the running game is unreal. I mean, I can't tell you. How many times that he fakes like going around the outside edge and he's running that zone. Read type of type of play. And he's looking to that. Offensive and he's looking at outside linebacker like those guys that play on the outside edge. Whether it's D end, whether it's linebacker, whether it's safety, they're basically planet in concrete, Mike, they don't constrict to play. They don't squeeze it down. They are so concerned about Russell Wilson taken around the edge and getting twelve yards that there is no constriction. So all the cutback lanes are just wide open because that defense doesn't squeeze. So he has this unbelievable affect even though. He didn't run the ball. He's got this. I mean, I will. It's unreal. How many times that big Ron's up the middle to the running back are just I mean, they ripping want off after the next after the next because everybody's so frightened of Russell. And you runs at one time a game. I mean, he barely runs it at all. But he still has a dramatic effect on the running game in Seattle. So if you think that all we're just really good at coaching it up. Oh, no. That guy that guy affects all loving on the defense. So the other thing about him. That's really interesting Mike is is he's an unselfish. He's just an incredibly unselfish player like in a day and age where it's all about the passing game. I call the game against San Francisco where the Seahawks beat and they blew San Francisco out. It was in Seattle, and they get halftime Russell was like four of six for one hundred and fifty some odd yards and three touchdowns something like that. I mean, it was crazy through a couple of long touchdowns. And I'm thinking to myself what are the quarterback in the league is okay. With thrown at six times in a half. Like who who's not in? I'm I'm talking to not only Pete Carroll, but also Brian Schottenheimer who's the office coordinator and shoddy just like listen this guy alsi wants to do is win. He doesn't care if we ran it every play any never threw it. He'd be okay with that as long as it resulted in win like where do you find that guy? So my response then to all of this is very simple. Why hasn't a deal been done? I mean, if he has all this affect on the game and he's just unselfish Seahawks. No the benefits of Russell Wilson. They've reap the benefits they've won a Super Bowl. They've been to another one. So in a league in which teams are desperately searching for a quarterback, right and are willing to overpay quarterbacks. Why are we at this point that I mean that that Mike is a great question. I I can't tell you. I don't know. I don't know why. I mean, obviously, you know, when you start dealing with contracts and we've seen Kam chancellor, get hurt. We've seen Earl Thomas essentially move. We've seen return move like they made a conscious decision that. Hey, we're gonna break legion of boom because we gotta pay Russell Wilson. But that was twenty million dollars a year. You know, are you ready to go that whereas whereas Aaron Rodgers thirty some million dollars a year thirty one thirty two or we ready to go there. Do we believe in him that much, and maybe they don't believe in him the going rate wise, and he's not taking a, you know, he's not gonna take a hometown discount, nor should he is he okay? I was going to be my pup. Was he going rate quarterback in your mind? I think he's an elite level quarterback. Yeah. Going rate is you pay him. Yeah. I think these worth I think there's a difference. You know, I think there's a eight a difference because they're all. Well, they all do it differently. But you tell me Mike like literally in the last four five years, you tell me who's been that difference maker on the offense that Russel Wilson played with that has just been like, whoa. You can't cover that dude or Moyo. You know? Don't let don't let that running back getting the open like, you know, it's been awhile since marshawn Lynch was beast mode. Right. It's been it's been a while since that time. So you tell me ofensive offenses. He's had a there's been a philosophical approach in Seattle where we're gonna play defensive players, but we're not gonna pay anybody on the offensive line. I called the game. This is back when I was with the SPN I called a game or Seattle was starting three is on the office of line that shouldn't be in the league. Or at least at the very the very most. They should be there. Marginal backups. And they're starting you know, it was funny because of therefore starters from that year to the next year of their five star skews me four of them were gone. And I think three of them were on rosters. There was one backup. I mean, it was it was unreal. And this is what they were putting in front of Russell Wilson because they had this fills officle approach in Seattle that what we're gonna do is. Because the college game isn't actually developing offense of Lyman. We're going to get a really good offensive line coach. Now, I'm biased because he was my teammate in college Tom cable, and we're going to give him a bunch of defensive line to bunch of defensive players and athletes. So we're giving them defensive lineman that were caused defensive linemen and we're going to give him some basketball players. And now you go ahead and make offense of lineman out of them. And that's way, in this way. We're not going to invest any money in that position. Because we believe in you so much that that you're going to be able to fix these guys. Well, ultimately, he ends up getting fired and they go in a different direction. They've actually invested some assets into the offense of line. Now. It's changed. They went out and got themselves, Mike, so solorio who's an outstanding offense of line coaches. Well, but they've actually invested in in guys like Duane Br. And they invested first round draft choices and things of that nature in the offense of line. So there was this philosophical approach that I'll we fix that part of it. And Russell makes enough plays back there behind line of scrimmage that we can survive kind of subpar play there. See I think it'd be careful because there are a few NFL cities where teams and their fans feel really secure about not only where they're at right now with the quarterback. But the belief is well, even if we had to move in a different direction, we be able to find another guy and my note of warning to those fans in those cities is try living in a city following a team where they don't have a quarterback and haven't had a quarterback for a while. And if whiffed on repeated attempts to find that quarterback, you should you should talk to people who live on the other side of the track. Right and see what it's like. Because if if you are so naive or arrogant to think, well, we found Russell Wilson. Once we'll go find another one, and we'll be able to start this whole process all over again where we find another guy. We don't have to spend a lot of money on them. We can build up the rest of our football team. And he'll have a Russell Wilson type career. Be careful be careful because if you're thinking that you can do that so easily you could easily find yourself going decade plus wandering around the NFL desert looking for a quarterback. Yeah. You know? It's really interesting because last year and last year's draft. Everybody's saying this year draft quarterback, you five potential kind of quote, unquote. We we joke around you. And I call them the hall of fame five all time. But everybody was convinced all these guys are going to be, you know, going to be big time kind of the next Ron of of elite level quarterbacks. Right. And there's one guy that really had a good season in an outstanding. He's Nell was Baker Mayfield. The rest of them were you know, guys. By the way, all finish. I point. Do you understand Baker mayfield's total QBR as it ranked? Among all quarterbacks. He was the best of all the quarterbacks that were drafted last year. You know, where he ranked among total QBR in the NFL fourth. Really? Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, he was good. I mean, don't get me wrong. I mean as far as the rookies, he was he was good. And let's not put them in canon Jannine just. Yeah. And then and Lamar Jackson was was phenomenal run of the ball. He just is is completely inadequate when it comes to throw on the football. I mean, there's just no other way to put it. I mean, it's just it's bad. So you know, I mean, I look at that. Now. Now remember going into this draft process before this draft process started this is going back to last football season. Every said that hey, this is not the year, man. There's no good quarterbacks in this. You know, this draft of there's no good quarterbacks here. Oh, really because now all of a sudden Cuyler merge. Go number one. You're going to get Daniel Jones in the first round you're gonna get through lodge. Lauck wins doing Haskins in the first round. Probably somebody else is gonna sneak up four right at least four maybe five. And so, you know, and and all of a sudden and everybody just thinks that because you could draft in the first round, you're automatically going to be, you know, a star like you're gonna fix our quarterbacking woes, you know, that's what they thought in Jacksonville when they took Blaine gabbert, that's what they thought and Jacksonville when they took Blake Bortles. That's what they thought. You know? I mean, we can go we can play that game till we're blue. The face all the all the teams that bought they fix their quarterback and problems by taking a guy in the first round. It's not, you know, it's not some magic potion. It's not some, you know, magic elixir that fixes your franchise. It's hard to find guys they get to this level and can play championship style football. And you're still in division where let's face it. Amazon ah, that's a mess. And and you know, I think they went clip clings berry. They're going to go collar Murray. Probably I think it's only a matter of two years before they're finding another head coach there and probably another quarterback. Right. I mean, if you look at the odds, and you look right now, San Francisco, they get healthy. I mean, they started a bunch of fourth string wide receivers. A third string quarterback last year. They don't have defensive pass rushers. San Francisco is going to be a team that's going to shock people. They're gonna get Jimmy Garoppolo back. They're going to improve. We know what the Rams have done. Right. And the way they've represented the NFC in the Super Bowl last year. You think all of a sudden in that division? You're just gonna flip your quarterback and go get yourself a rookie. And you're gonna have you're going to be competitive, you you don't have a chance. But you're careful be careful Seattle. Ed, be my unsolicited retell be careful don't be so arrogant as to thank you could just kick Russell Wilson to the curb and go find another one just like him. Speaking of the Rams. Sean McVay came out recently and was very fatty in in defending Jared Goff, saying Goth is absolutely my man. Hey, whatever happened in the Super Bowl. That's as much on me, maybe even more. So on me than it is anything wrong with Jared Goff. What? Why why does he feel the need to go? Out and and be so the your propping up. Jared goff. Like this is there is concern. You'd think that that the the beatdown at occurred in the Super Bowl might linger. I know I don't I don't think there's that. I think that this is a way because it's easy to look at your quarterback. It's easy for fans and people to look at the quarterback and say, well, he didn't play very well. So it's his fault. And I think this is the way, and this is something that I appreciate about Sean McVeigh. This is Shaun McVeigh's way of saying, no, no, no, no. We're all in this thing together. My quarterback is fine. And I'll take responsibility for that loss. There's probably one of the worst coaching jobs since he got in the league since he became a head coach I guarantee you he would sit down if he had, you know, a moment to sit there, and he'd be honest about this too is worse. Coaching job of my career. That's Super Bowl. Now granted injury issues who knew the Todd Gurley wasn't going to be able to answer the bell. And he's gonna turn the ball over like you thought you had a healthy running back. It changes your mentality. And they didn't do a great job. And he didn't do a great job of kind of figuring out what the patriots were doing to him. And just what he was going to do maybe shouldn't have been blowing kisses at Bill Belichick before the game. Hey, Mr. ballot. Check. I'm a big fan. Hey, Mr. Bella check. I've admired you for so long. I mean, the guy was clearly had Bella chicken his head before the game even started. I mean, he got outcoached by there's no shame getting a coach by Bill Belichick that she got it. That's bad. Look that lad that list all that list is long man. And and I get it and you're competing against him. And you know, you had one team. I mean, you talk about classic matchup. Wade Phillips versus Bill Belichick 'cause Wade Phillips defense coordinator for the Rams absolute shut that offense down. And really the amazing thing was the adjustments. You know, the thing about playing football is you have to or any sport for that matter. You've got to be able to understand that. There are going to be times when everything you prepared for isn't working. And now how how good are you on the fly? How smarter your players at at a thing. How smarter coaches at figuring out what's going on. And how good are you at in game adjustments say I think what sets coaches apart. It's. Easy when everything that you game plan for falls directly into what happens. You know? I heard you remember that Thursday night game when they took on the Minnesota Vikings. And the Rams just scored a mean, a boatload appoints, and and they had a big play to Cooper Cup for seventy some odd yards in the SIEM route to the seem route to Todd Gurley that we got one on one coverage on the linebacker Anthony Barr and that was a touchdown. There was touchdowns all over the place where they got these match ups, and I'm talking to Jared Goff about this is unprepared to do a Rams game and Jared's like that's like that's like one game. Like, it's the first time in my career where everything the coq said happened identically to what was going to go on this what they're going to give us defensively. Here's how we're going to exploit it. He said, hey, we're sitting in there. And they're saying, hey, we get down to the red zone. We're going to spread them out this way, they're going gonna show us a cover for shell. They're going to kick the coverage to take away the middle hole, and you're gonna get Todd girl. Early on the outside one on one with Anthony Barr. We're gonna hit the seem sure enough they motion into it. They get and they successfully what happened jerk offs first time it's ever happened in my career. That's great game planning. Great coaching is when they don't do it. Now. How do I just what are they doing? And that's where you know. That's where frankly, Sean McVeigh didn't do a good job in that game. And I think he's taking pressure off of his quarterback because his quarterback is still a young player. You know, he's still incredibly young player. And I promise you I would love for my team to have a young quarterback with a bunch of great players that just ended up going to a Super Bowl, albeit a loss. I'd love to be in that position. How excited would you be if you're in buffalo or you're in New York with the jets or you're there with the giants or I mean, let's get in line. If you're the dolphins. If you're come on. If you're the Bengals right? I mean, you would you would sign up for that in a heartbeat. So I'm sitting there saying, I think this is just another masterful job in many masterful jobs that Sean McVeigh has done in taking pressure off of his players and putting it on his coaching staff at himself. I I'm gonna pose. I'm gonna pose to you a tough one. Okay. It's gonna be a tough one for you. All right. Who is the bigger goat? When it comes to his sport greatest of all time, Tom Brady in the NFL or Tiger Woods in golf after what tiger just accomplished. I'm I I have to tell you that masters was incredible. It was just it was a sight to see and what made it so. Because it's been it's been I loved it. I I was as captivated is anybody. But the over the top emotion that people shared saying how they felt and grown men crying. You know, what why why did this win resonate with people so much? Well, I I think there's a lot of things, you know. I think we've seen tiger over the years become human like he was it was like straight at Terminator. He was a cybernetic organism like with no heart. No feelings. No, nothing. Right. And obviously self-inflicted wounds he blew himself up. He blew up his marriage. He did all those things. He you know, he's guilty. He he gets it. He's accepted those responsibilities to see him come back from all the injuries of the latest. He talked to. I think it was Nick Faldo a couple years ago at the champions, dinner, whatever and essentially said to him, I'm having this back surgery. Just so I can so I can have light. So I live not too. I'm done. He's like I'm done with golf. I can't play anymore. I just need to get my just to the point where I'm not in pain as a guy who suffered, you know, had l five s one her native both sides that disk that operated on had lived in for twenty some years with excruciating back pain still have back pain every single day of managed better. But I still have it every day to to understand your limitations to see all those things come to fruition. I'll tell you my wife, and I were actually emotional about it because of our son's journey. My son has had so many injury issues. He's thirty two years old and baseball has basically said pound sand. We don't want any more. And it's a frustrating thing for us because he's probably throwing the ball better. These ever throwing the ball. Better than when he was in the big leagues. But because of his age because of his injury issues in history. Like, he's always like my spin rates. Great my curve balls. Great my velocities. Really good like how come? I can't get a job because you're looking at the wrong numbers. The numbers. Baseball's Connecticut, you're thirty two and you've been on the DO for five straight years. And so to watch that happen to watch tiger overcome four back surgeries and to be at the pinnacle on the greatest golf course in the world and to win the championship. Like, it gave us hope like he's I'm like, texting my son. Like, hey, man. There's hope see, and I'm glad you you framed it that way because I think the whole bit about well this guy had become a pariah. And you know, it become an outcast. And we this is further proof about how he liked to build somebody up, and then tear them down only to cheer his rising from the ashes again, I thought that was the that whole angle is very melodramatic over dramatic it to me this. Tiger was never really on the outs. I mean. Yeah. In the immediate aftermath few sponsors, drop them. And there was some backlash but make no mistake. People miss tiger. Okay. It wasn't like tiger was still. Healthy playing golf and people at turn their back on him because of the scandals and the in addictions in the infidelity and everything like that. It was he couldn't play anymore and and people missed him. Okay. So let let's separate the two. This wasn't so much about the look at what he overcame in his personal life. This was more. We thought he was done, and we had given up on the idea that we're ever going to see him play like that again. So to see him back out there and know what he's come back from that. I think is the part that that people really were drawn to that a guy who had more money they could ever spend and could have easily just walked away and said, hey, look, let's get the surgery. Let's just make sure I can have some quality of life. But instead he kept grinding. I mean, the guy was like at this time last year. He was like twelve hundred ranked in the world. I mean, I mean talk about being humbled and he. Is willing to just grind and work his way back why? Because as he said in an interview, I saw we're Tom Rinaldi from ESPN. He goes, look, this is what I love. That's why love to do. And to me. What I like Mark is the idea that no matter how famous you get no matter how much money you make no matter how much you enjoy the trappings of the sport, you play that when you strip it all away, there's still that fundamental love of the game that you had when you were kid, and you were a nobody trying to work your way up and for tiger sorta reveal that that's the part that drew me. It's the human part. I think CBS did a great job when they showed him winning the masters for the first time in ninety seven embracing his father and then going back and flashing to current day where he wins the masters and embraces son, his three generations of pictures. Just incredible. And I'm one hundred percent with you. I mean, it was just a phenomenal. Mike. It was just absolutely phenomenal to watch that whole thing just unfold and the human nature of the story like he's post post tournament talking about how he talked to his daughter who was playing in some soccer tournament that they lost some state soccer tournament. And this is on Saturday and goes, hey, you wanna come watch the masters tomorrow, you know, like, there's a human element. And I always respect guys who have achieved a ton that have like you said they have more money than they know what to do with like, hey, do you wanna come watch the masters Danielson his private plane? Come get you. Right. The rest of us. Don't live that way. But you know, that's he's earned that. And I'm okay with that. But to have all that money to have all that celebrity to have all that thing to not need, the sport, the sport needs, you more than you need it and to still have the desire to be seven hundred thousand in the world say screw it. I'm gonna keep fighting for what I believe in what I love. And then the thing that I've loved since I was a kid like that's incredible. And there's this. Love hate relationship. I know from playing football where I love it. It's the life blood that courses through my veins at the same time. Sometimes I hated you know, what I'm going through the injuries. And I'm doing those things and fighting, but that's the game within the game. That keeps you motivated. The keeps you going, Mike. And I think all those things kind of happen in this perfect. You know here in Denver. We had that. Would they call that snowstorm? We had the bomb cyclops cyclone. Yeah. It was this perfect bomb cyclone that happened on master Sunday. That was phenomenal watch. I mean, look at the respect all the guys at hung out. You know waiting for tiger to finish his round. So they could just be a part of it just say, hey, congratulations, man. You're the one that got me into the sport. If you're the one that made me want to be a professional golfer. So just to pay their respects that that to me was absolutely awesome. Great event. They love that. Great. A great event. That's coming up NFL draft is coming up. I want to give you a prediction because I thought about this. Yesterday, as I was watching golf and kind of doing some draft prep stuff and look at it some players, and you know, there's all this talk about the Wayne Haskins falling, and you know, and not being as good what the giants are going to do. And mister America Mao who came out the giants owner came out. And essentially said, you know, we'll take a quarterback if the value is there which was telling to me that this organization doesn't necessarily feel like the value is there at the quarterback position. So here's what I think's going to happen. You ready? Yeah. That's what I think's gonna happen. I think it number six. The giants are going to take a player K. So it's going to be a guy like Christian Wilkins, or it's going to be a guy like TJ Hopkinson, Rashawn Guerrier. Maybe John Taylor. Somebody kind of a line of scrimmage difference maker front seven guy because that's their general manager. Dave Gettleman is a front seven build it from the inside out guy. So you're going to give. You're going to go get somebody that can help you immediately K, I believe that's what they're going to do there. And then here's my prediction. Sure to go wrong. They got the seventeenth overall pick from Cleveland for the OB J trade guy. I think they're going to trade with the Denver Broncos who at ten. So they'll they'll swap first rounders in the Broncos will amass whatever else it is. They amassed from that trade and go down to seventeen k and at that point. Because there's nobody that really needs a quarterback. I mean, Arizona for all intents and purposes are going to take calorie, right? And then it's going to be, you know, Nick Bosa going to San Francisco, and it's gonna fall, you know, with Quinton Williams and Josh Allen. And some of these other guys like I look at this Oakland if they don't get Kyla Murray. They don't make a deal for kinda Murray. They're not going quarterback. Tampa is not going quarterback. The Jacksonville Jaguars aren't going quarterback. There set. The Detroit Lions aren't going quarterback the Buffalo Bills got their quarterback last year. Right. So Denver's the next one in line. And there's talk about Cincinnati at eleven want a quarterback about Miami at thirteen and a quarterback about Washington at fifteen possibly need a quarterback. So the team that makes the most sense to trade up into their position is the giants trade up with Denver number ten overall. And they take all the quarterbacks will be there. They'll have their choose, but their choice to choose whether it's doing Haskins or drew lock or whoever the case may be to be ally. Manning's under study and do what essentially the Kansas City Chiefs did with with their their quarterback Alex Smith Mahomes says they still so they still get their quarterback at ten. Where it would it would be in their minds the proper place to take quarterback take a quarterback at six you're truly overdraft. Right. And because you've got so many other holes to fill that at six you're going to get yourself. A difference. A difference maker front seven offense of line difference maker at six some of its instantly going to impact your football team where it's six your quarterback is not going to impact your football team because you've already committed the ally. So at ten you get your quarterback, he's in training under Eli and at six you get a difference maker in that kind of like, I said that that inside out line of scrimmage difference maker the giants desperately need. That's my prediction. That's what's going to go down on draft day. All right. A lot of it. All right. We'll get you make predictions. Love assure to go wrong to go rock. That's it for us earth etry podcast. Thank or presenting sponsor core. Water find out more hydrate with core dot com for Mike for Scott. I'm Mark thanks so much for listening. We'll talk to you guys later on the week.

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Hour 2: Dave Rothenberg filling in

"This is the Stephen A Smith show podcast. Steve Stephen or two of the Stephen a Smith show. Dave Rothenberg in four Stephen. And he is back tomorrow. He'll be down in Nashville and breaking down all things and fell draft. We believe that the cardinals go one with Kyla Murray. And everybody has spoken to spoke to my ten amount earlier. He's doing the draft Ross here on ESPN radio. He said, yeah, he believes that you look at Vegas. They firmly believe it. I mean, it's like minus six hundred for Kyla Murray to go number one to always heard is that it'll be Botha. And then I think three is where the draft really kind of opens up. Dave Rothenberg in for Stephen on ESPN radio and ESPN news for about another thirty five minutes this mother's day show. Mom, just how much you do. Appreciate her and support with the one eight hundred flowers dot com right now, you can get thirty six sore bay roses for just thirty six dollars to order. Just go to one hundred flowers dot com slash E, S P N. We're gonna go to Colorado. Mm Bleacher report in just a moment. But I wanna play a little bit of sound with you. Because a lot of what we hear. I think is probably true. And a lot of what we hear. I think is probably just lies and we have to decipher what's true. And what's not? Let's take a listen Chris Mortensen this morning on golick and wingo says now he would not be surprised if the giants go quarterback at sixth overall. That's all right. I can find. If you can't find a cat. All right. Don't worry. No sweat. I'll find it. I'm very very capable here. Chris Mortensen sane. He wouldn't be surprised if the giants went quarterback six overall thing they get them in shown first of all I think this deep draft in the defensive line. We know they wanted address defense who live it. It's the with the defensive line. I think seventeen and they got a lot of draft capital seventeen. They can there will be a good defensive lineman. They're at seventeen so whether the take one of six or Dave Gettleman decides get even more aggressive move up higher to grab his quarterback. I'm not going to be shocked. Dave has a history of being aggressive moving up. And so that's that's one thing that we've is just saying they'll take their defensive line. And they may at number six and leave it at that. But I'm not going to be surprised if they're more aggressive than that with a quarterback. Now, everything I've heard. Is that the giants are going to defense six seventeen quarterback or move up into that eleven twelve range or these reports from diner Rossini that she says that the Redskins absolutely love Dwayne Haskins. And for everyone thing I've heard the giants absolutely do not love Dwayne Haskins. In fact, Todd mcshay ESPN draft expert on I take says he does not even expect the giants to go ahead and go after the Ohio State quarterback. I think he should be giant. They should take him at number six. I don't believe that they're going to. I think they're going to take a defensive player. I think they'll try maybe at seventeen whether it's Daniel Jones, drew lock one of these other quarterbacks address the need later, but I would not if I'm giants fan don't expect for the number six pick to be a quarterback keep getting the same information over and over again, they're going into different direction. And if that's not the case and get a heck of a job of lying to all of us. And that's not what he did it at all last year's draft wind you last year's draft gentlemen win. Barkley from day one all the way through they took the podium and took saquon Barkley, so his MO has not been to put up some some fake ideas of what this organization plans to do. All right. Connor riders Bleacher report joins us here on ESPN radio. Stephen a Smith show. Dave Rothenberg sitting in Connor welcome to the show is a very busy time of year. Apex or have made. It is absolutely crazy right now a little stressed with the amount of work that you're going to have to be doing over the next forty eight to seventy two hours. No not at all by week of the year. I think if any of the stress comes out, it's more from the rumors. What's fake? What's real what you should believe? That's the hardest part of dissect help us decipher everything here. Let's start to Kyla Murray. The mindset is in your belief. He goes one two hours ONA. Yes. Correct. Yes, I would be bored. If that does not happen. So Mary one, and then you come to San Francisco Botha to to San Fran is that going to happen? That's going to happen as well. They are all over Nick Bosa. They love Nick Bosa. That's going to be the number two overall pick. I know people have said Quinton Williams, but that take will be Nick Bosa. All right. So now, I think is where it gets interesting. And that's the jets at three because rumblings have the jets very intrigued and moving down, and I guess the Redskins seemingly now are very intrigued to move up to potentially go after Haskins. Is there real fuel real fire here that the jets could potentially move down into the teens? Yes, there is this is where the draft starts. That's the spot of that. I think the jets would be comfortable with moving to not beyond that. And the most important thing to note, your Dave, I heard you say earlier the risk is loved Wayne Haskins and the second most important thing to note here is the jets are willing to move to the point where I think it will be discounted trade, which might sound crazy to some people. But this will not be. A normal price were used to making that big of a jump from fifteen to three. So and I think the Redskins are aware that there's a lot of teams picking in the top ten that liked Wayne Haskins. So they have to be aggressive to go get him. He's not even getting close to the fifteenth overall pick. The jets was love to move this election. If they can't I think they'd go with winning Williams. That's a pretty obvious pick that I expect them to make if they can't move. But in these next twenty four hours just will do everything to get more capital and get out of that slot. Let me just ask you this. You said that they would take a discounted rate to move back to fifteen like, not the title value. I truly believe so fifteen to three is a huge jump. I mean, the most obvious starting point. You would think of is that the jets the fifteenth overall pick their second rounder, which I believe is forty six and then next year is I which is a very very valuable pick. I think that's where the normal talks would start. I'm not even sure that's the deal, you know, with how badly the jets would probably love to get out of the spot. They too many holes and not enough picks still. Out that roster. Now, you're not getting a star. Like, Josh Allen, Quinton Williams. There's a potential these guys are absolute stars on the defensive side of the football. And if I'm moving down to fifteen I'm going to get a good player, but maybe not start type caliber player, and I get it. I get a second. And maybe I get a I so I'm kinda recouping some of what I lost. But wouldn't you rather? I mean pass rush the jets, you know, this kind of they haven't they never had a pass rusher. I mean, they haven't had rusher since John Abraham wouldn't. I wouldn't it be smarter. Just to say, you know, what be damn with any trade. I'm taking Josh Allen. Are they going to get fifteen sexy year, and I'm going in that direction? With you that I think it is really risky to go from three to fifteen now. There are people that believe four quarterbacks will go in these top fifteen picks, which is going to push good football players down the board. Whether the Justice need a center bradberry might be there. Brian burns from Florida state is a very very good outside rusher. But the Justice can't surrender this for the sake of surrendering. I really McLennan Williams fan. He is flex your Cox. Everything about him is identifiable to let your Cox. He could even be better. That's how talented this guy is I think Josh Allen is they find player, I think he does have some refinement in his pass rush plan. But he could do so many different things at linebacker similar to how Anthony Barr guy that just tried to bring in this year, can so if they get out of this you're not just going to give it away. But it is really interesting. How much noise there is how they would just love to move out of this election because they feel like when Williams the best player available overall. But they also feel like they're set on the interior of defensive line with Leonard Williams and Henry Anderson. They're all right. Putting you right on the spot. The jets train. Do they do they trade from three to fifteen at the end of the day? I don't want. I don't want projections. Does it get does? It get really big. I think it does. I really do. I think they want were draft capital. They need more traff capital. I'm not saying it's the right move. Because if you do say like I said, they will pay Quinton Williams. But I think he'll gets done unless Washington we see brothers trait here with Gruden set for which would be a shocker now. Let's get into the raiders because they are very very interesting. They've sent everybody away. It's like, it's like survivor. There's two guys on an island. You got Mayock. You got Gruden no one else is around anywhere near the organization right now. And I read something that they said for fear that you know, they're big plan. Could get thrown to the wolves. What what possibly could this dynamic huge groundbreaking attempt. Be for the Oakland Raiders got insane. As we heard everyone connected to them literally Quinton Williams Devon why at Oliver and now. The most recent name is to Wayne Haskins. Now, I know a lot of raiders spans laugh at thought of that. But this is where it gets really interesting division in Oakland right now is that there are coaches there that really liked main Haskins. They're also coaches there that are not sold their car is the future. So is Oakland sitting there four knowing that Wayne Haskins might fall into their lap or hoping he falls into their lap. There's a lot of rumors about that right now. Or are they trying to play someone to train up with the jets to Oakland gift Quinton Williams? That's kind of where I'm weaning right now. I do think they want the jets to get out of that pick in fear that if they don't the general take when Williams and that's been there guy all along. This is a team that needs stars on the defensive line because they traded Khalil Mack. They don't have any. I know they use a lot of picks Matt area last year. I think Mary's hers could be an okay player. PJ hall hasn't shown anything yet right now. So Oakland all options are on the table for them right now. And it's very very interesting. All right. So if Haskins goes three and Williams. Does four Naida Tampa at five with Devon white. And Josh Allen still on the board. I think it would be I think Todd Bowles, I know Todd Bowles pick their and Lee here when he was in New York that was Todd Bowles spic you want speed at linebacker. He wants leadership at linebacker Tampa has loved Devon white for months now. I think if he's sitting there at five they would celebrate with happiness that they didn't have to move to get him. So you were telling me now that the way we just went through the MacIntosh of the first five picks. There's a legitimate chance that my New York football giants are landing maybe an elite talent edge rusher. Sixth overall in Josh Allen. I wouldn't rule it out at all. I would not rule that out at all. They get the guy who originally originally from jersey. Now, the interesting thing was the giants here. I have a belief that they've Gettleman has done a really nice job for once here with the smokescreens. And that the giants wanna quarterback at six as much as we keep hearing. They are content taking one at seventeen there's not even the guaranteed that. There will be one is seventeen. I don't see how team can take that kind of risk. So who? Do you think he likes because you know, I'm based out of New York, and we try to break down the code every day. And we just we have no idea of what's going on half the time. Do you look at him and say he likes Jones, we've heard that lock. We've heard that everyone seems to be opposed. The fact that Dwayne Haskins if someone who's interested in then lately for the rumor keyed up and maybe Josh Rosen lands to the New York Giants at some point. Yeah. There's a lot of sect year. I think they, you know, obviously, Daniel Jones there was a lot of smoke around them taking him at seventeen. I think there's so much almost so much there right now, it's hard to fully believe it. I'm going to take a contrarian opinion here. Dave, I know they're scouting staff did a ton of work on Wayne half this year. I think they also have feared that somebody would take him before them and didn't want anything to get out on their interest in him. I think they do like Wayne Haskins. And I think if he was sitting there at six they've got him in values of seven more than anything. He's going to spend premium assets there. I think they'd be faced with a very tough decision. In passing on Wayne Haskins Besse type of decision making get you fired very very quickly. And I'm of the belief that they do like the player. It sounds like Connor kinda Rogers Bleacher report joining us here on the Stephen Michaud what they have wrought the brick sitting in. It sounds like you don't think that has will be there for the giants at six. I don't because like I said earlier, I think the Redskins are hell bent on getting this trade done. They've loved this player for months and they need a quarterback. I don't think Alex Smith will ever play football again. And he didn't if he does you're not relying on him. How long they want case keenum to be the face of the franchise there. They need a guy that is the face of the franchise. And I think a lot of people in that building believe it's doing Haskins, and if they can find the right trade, they'll do whatever it takes to go up and get the giants. Don't get Haskins. He falls through their fingers. The jets moved back in the giants went up with with Josh Allen at six I think the giants giants fans will be very excited about now. What happens that you've got seventeen? You've got thirty seven. You've got three picks in the fifth round two in the fourth. Sick. Like you have a ton of picks later in this draft. Do you put some of those together and move up to get the quarterback in the ten eleven twelve range. I mean, I certainly would I think I wanna get ahead of Cincinnati. I don't think Denver's taking a quarterback anymore. They might be a team interested in trading out. Like, you said Dave giants have draft capital here. They can make a move and going back from say ten to seventeen is not a gigantic, jump, especially. It'll probably cost the second round pick something in that range. And I think the giants simply have to get a quarterback. Whether that is true lock Daniel Jones. I'm not a Jones believer personally. I'm even a little skeptical of law, even though there are round on traits there. But I think Gettleman will be much more aggressive in getting a quarterback that he's played on in these press conferences recently. And you're not a huge fan of drew lock not the biggest fan, but guess what these second round graded quarterbacks. Go in the first round up. Simply how it is. I think marines Wayne Haskins are there's a gap there. There's a big gap there how much better because my mind. That was the giants really dropped the ball and should've taken the quarterback darnold last year. Not Barclays sensationalist. How much better is last year's quarterback crop than this year's class? I think it's a lot better. I think Mary has some really special traits. And I think he's gonna be a superstar with clip Kingsbury. I think half the course of one year starter fantastic year. He's still got some developing to go. But you look at Baker Mayfield. Sam darnold even Josh Rosen talent, even though he got pummeled this year pummeled and did not stand a chance. Those guys had better talent. I think I think there can be mixed into the group. I truly believe he's special. And that's what he's going to be the number one pick in this draft a year after that team just took a quarterback in the top ten. So it's not a great group. And there will be teams there that'll say, hey, the dolphins. The dolphins will sit there and say, we'll wait. We'll wait next year. We like Justin Herbert we like to Tunga by Loa Jake from Georgia. There will be plenty of teams that sit back and the Broncos will roll with Laco. But I just don't think the giants are one of them. I think the giants are going to be really proactive and taking. Someone sitting him behind ally for however long that may be and it'll be from this group. Do you like Daniel Jones? I don't I just don't see it. I've seen him in person. I've watched all of his games. I don't think he really has a strong arm. I don't think he was overly accurate. The athleticism is okay. Every time. People talk about him. They bring up he was coached by nothing about the player. That's a little frustrating to me, and I just can't stomach spending a first round pick on that player. Kinda Rogers Bleacher report joining us here on ESPN radio. Josh Rosen traded before tomorrow traded tomorrow Troy by the end of the weekend. They hold onto him into the summer. Like what happens to him? I think it'll be sometime during the weekend. They don't want to create an environment which Josh Rosen and Kyla Murray that would be toxic very very quickly. Josh Rosen has already publicly upset about this. He said it to believe Sports Illustrated. He's not really happy things have gone down this off season. It creates a very interesting scenario there one that they won't risk setting up. I think the chargers are quietly in this. That's. A place where you could stash Philip rivers is not really been into having his hair on the hair on the roster. But I think that's gotta change at some point. I think the chargers get done for a second round pick. I would love to see the giants make this call for their second round pick. I think you can load up on that defensive line talent that they've been wants to do and you develop Rosen. I just haven't heard that they have as much interest as we're lead on to believe the same could be said for Washington. All right before I let you go. And appreciate your time. Bring a lot of great information to the table. I wanna put you on the spot again, give me one or two guys that people like, and you look you say, I just don't get it guys guys that are going to go tomorrow in the first round. Oh, that's an interesting one. I think Daniel Jones, unfortunately, I've said my case on him before I just I don't see it as around one player. One of the more interesting ones here for Dave. I think rocky thin the corner from temple. He's a fine player. I've heard he's going to go twenty overall the Steelers that is twenty to thirty five spots higher than I expected. But I heard that take his written. In in for a while. I know the giants like Dexter Lawrence a lot. I'm curious to see how creative they get to choir a player like that for their front seven. Which would still surprise me? They have talent on the interior of the defensive line. So those are some guys being thrown into this round one conversation that I just think it would be a bit of a reach. And is there a guy's gonna go day to even three if you want that, you know, people like, but they're not in love with that. You look at you say look out. This guy's going to be a player. Yeah. I think there's a handful. I think they've Montgomery from Iowa say it's going to be one of the better running backs in football on a couple of years. He could all the way to the third Brown. I think when you look at me, call our -partment from Georgia. I mean, he's explosive and electric touches. Just more there in that Georgia offense at all times. And Taylor rap. He ran a four seven at his pro day which shocked teams he was on round one boards across the league at the safety position. I've heard eating fall to the third round right now. And I mean, listen, Tony Jefferson. He's another guy that ran a four seven now, he's a Pro Bowl safety. So those guys usually find a way to pan out. Spy, bad forty times. Here. Kind of this is what I'd like to to put on the table. I'd like to fill access to you at any point. So if I'm paying anytime at any point, but any point like eleven o'clock at night, one thirty in the morning, five fifteen wake up in it. And I'm not concerned about Daniel Jones going to the giants like I would like to have full access that if I need to get in touch with you. I can and you can talk me off the ledge, I will text your producer my phone number. I don't sleep this week on the east coast think our will line. We'll get it done. I appreciate do. Good work, my friend. Thanks so much. Thanks a lot. Dave have a good one. Or that is kinda Rogers from Bleacher report who's very very good doesn't excellent job of breaking it all down and their air. It sounds like the Redskins are all in on Wayne Haskins. 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I'm sure a great kid. I'm sure cuckold thinks he's associational quarterback. His arm strength is not what it a lot of legitimate. NFL quarterbacks can bring to the table. And that makes me very nervous. All right. Drew lock. The upside is absolutely there. But again, and I don't mean to make this completely giant Centric. They laid an egg last year in the draft by by not taking Sam darnold and taking sake. One Barkley eight say ESPN, it's eight eight seven nine three seven seven six. Let's go to cannon Pennsylvania Ken wanna talk a little NFL draft on ESPN radio. What's up, buddy? I I. Congratulations on getting this by you do a really great job with with substituting for Stephen act. You let me ask you questions. Do you? Find to be the number one substitute for Steven. Don't get don't get crazy. A lot. Tomorrow at this time. I think you're going to be ecstatic. You you really want Tyler Murray to be the first pick you really want that New York jet trade to happen. And then not only will Josh Allen fall in your lap at six. The giants are going to use their trade value or their their draft value not to pick this year's quarterback to trade for Josh Rosen. They're going to end up. I'd be on one and Josh Rosen, and you will be. The. I will tell you what thanks for the call. I appreciate it. If the giants go Josh Allen six another big time defensive player or offensive lineman or whoever as far as I care at seventeen and thirty seven they turn in to Josh Rosen. You're right. I will be ecstatic. 'cause you know, why what happens if he's if he's awful. Okay. You know what? Plays eight games the kids played a year. You put him in there for another eight games. He's terrible. They go one in seven with him at the quarterback spot. You know what? All right. No big deal. I probably one three or four games. I go right back out next year. Right. Jake from to Herbert. I take any of those kids any of those kids at that point. See here's the thing. If you don't have the quarterback you can't compete in this game simple period end of sentence. If you don't have the quarterback you can't compete in this game. So it means I take. A two and roll the dice to bring that in this year, and that doesn't work and I take next year's one as long as I get the quarterback. It makes almost everything that much better. All right. Eight say ESPN eight seven to nine three seven seven six we're coming back on ESPN radio and a little tweak. We're coming back on ESPN U. Goss. Did you get a joy and be changes nickname? Seriously. It's no longer the process. It's now Hulu has love sports. This has got to be the most blatant form of advertising I've ever seen. This guy has no shame selling out for who liked this sources, tell me that Hulu is paying a lot of money to tell you that you can watch your favorite teams and the biggest games live on Hulu all with no cable required. If only forty five dollars a month. Wait a minute. 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I just got a text from a source that said as far as he knows no matter what anybody says the giants are not taking a quarterback at six. So we'll say my sources are better than their sources, but we will find out tomorrow on ESPN radio on ESPN television on ABC television. We got this thing covered every conceivable way you can wanna covered the draft. Which is great. Let's go to Eddie in. Wisconsin Eddie, you're on ESPN radio. My man. Doing good. What's on your mind? Eddie. So I'm gonna think Niners fan other paying attention to all the mock drafts for the most are listening to the analysis from the previous I'm I'm gonna a on his name. He's for sure going with both the mine issue that is although we need a pass rush. We got four more of the outside linebacker defensive end. I know both as opposed to fill that role. But with his injury, concerns, personally genetics. It's not like his brothers healthy for while either him sitting out for I I don't know if you played in a game played a couple of years, he got hurt. I forgetting the game. He got hurt in a game. And he injured his his I think it was his knee. Right. And and he missed the the rest of the season, but I can picture it. But he, but I tell you what Eddie when he's healthy. He's unbelievable. He's almost unstoppable when he's healthy. So I get it. I mean, I understand anybody's reservation. Right guys arms. Not great guys leg is not right health issues. Guys think that doing? Certain things are okay. When a lot of people think they're not like, I completely completely get it. But I think as far as talent is concerned. He's he's as close to a can't miss defensive player in this draft. Is there is? You don't think he's you don't think that Allen would be better than him. No back. In fact, if I were to go in a different direction Eddie it would be Williams. It would not be Allen. Yeah. I think Williams Williams is probably the safest back. Thanks to the phone. Call Williams is the safest big. But both has such upside and edge rusher. I mean when you think about breaking the most important pieces in the NFL right now it's unequivocally Ugo quarterback one, right? That's not even up for debate. And after quarterback one you can say edge rusher edge. Russia's more look at just for argument's sake. Look at what Antonio Brown got on the open market in a trade and look what. Frank Clark got in a trade and tell me what's more important guy that can get to the quarterback or a guy that can catch the football down the field. Right. It's gonna Brandon North Carolina. Brandon you're on ESPN radio. Hey, how you doing good? What's going on Brandon? Hey, so Panthers fan, I'm from North Carolina. And I'm here in all this talk about Cleveland Farrell. I don't see it in him. I'd much rather. Go with them on tests. Wet out even go with the decay Metcalf. Now, he worries me about Metcalf is that he's one of these workout warriors. Do you remember guy by the name of Mike moolah? Mike Mullen, Boston College he was drafted in the first round they can top ten pick by the eagles right around there. And he ran of making up the numbers of four three and he lifted this and he did reps on this the Nobody'd ever seen before and he stunk. And I just get the feeling that that if there was a guy like that in this draft that that it would be the wide receiver that we're talking about. And that that concerns me in Metcalf sweat has a health issue. I think that they're going to be a lot of teams that are turned off by the fact that the guy has a heart condition. I see what you're saying. Yeah. But I just I see his explosiveness and ole miss a pass heavy system. They have another white out. I forget his name. But he's in the first round and whatnot. I wouldn't be concerned. If if the Panthers take the otherwise, I just don't see Cleveland Farrell being the guy for the Panthers in the first round if they pick Montas wet I would be fine with that they picked Metcalf or the other guy I would be fine with that as well. I just don't see it in Cleveland Farrell. All right, people do and I saw the call brand. And I saw piece on him on the inside the draft prospects. And he's a great kid. And I know that you're not looking at someone saying boy great kid, but can you play football secondarily, but it's important and he's a great kid. So I mean, that's the thing we sit here, we don't know. Right. One guy sees the piece of feral and says guy, I want them another guy sees it says, I don't want them sweat all risk it. He's got a heart issue, but I don't care Metcalf. You know, can jump and run faster and taller and higher than anybody else. It's like what what floats your boat here. That's the question. How do you get the quarterback? How do you get to the quarterback? Those are the two things that are in my mind, most important salad Queen, Sal, you're on ESPN radio. Dave. How you doing? What's up? Sal. I got a question. Now giants fan just like you. Would you have if the sign up right now, no war stressing? They put on the table for you right now right now right in a player. Yeah. Right in front of you. If you had Devon white. I think because as you said your source who I believe because I believe your sources saying I think in the quarterback so Devon white at six and drew lock at seventeen or if you can get maybe say Drouot goes way, high the projections every Oakland everybody off or would you rather have it where you get and open the guy that Josh Allen at six, but then settled for Daniel Jones a seventeen which was your other prefer. I rather go Wight lock six seventeen. I don't like Jones. I'm not a Dan you guy. I mean kinda Rogers Danny Jones guy. A lot of people spoken to do not listened to mcshea mcshea doesn't believe in Jones and only a third round pick. So no, I do not want the giants take Daniel Jones. And you know, what that means, Sal? The John surprise take Daniel Jones, I could see it happening. I think everyone actually going to be one of the most fries, we're not surprise. But one of the most impactful players coming out of the draft. Because when I was talking to my father was telling me how he sees so much intensity of this man, and he would love for the giants to get him. But I just hope that I loved the phone to drew lock and Devon white. Me about lock and south. Thanks to the phone. Call is that his upside is huge. That's what I want. You know, I want a guy that if he's great. I'm going to be great. And that there's a chance of that. I wanna roll the dice. I don't always want to go with the safe. Yeah. This guy is going gonna be fine. He's not gonna make mistakes. But he's not gonna lead. You. I wanna take the I wanna roll the dice for Pat Mahomes. I'm not saying anybody's going to be a Pat Mahomes, but I would roll the dice for drew lock. Because he's done it for more than one year. He got better every single year. He's got a howitzer of an arm and people say well arm strength. Really doesn't matter giant stadium Armstrong matters, and that is much used to in the old giant stadium. But it still matters. Derek in Missouri. Derek you're on ESPN radio. Hey, what's going on? My question is do you foresee the cardinal trading Rosen to Miami? And if that does happen do you still see Miami drafting a quarterback this year or or? This year. I think kind of the built in advantage. If you bring in Josh Rosen is that you know, his is bonuses already paid. If you bring him in and he stinks. You can still take another quarterback next year. I I don't know why you would bring him in and take a quarterback this year. I'd bring him in. I'd see what he's capable of doing. I'd see if I like him. I'd see if he's capable being my quarterback of the future. And if he is well, then great, and he's not, and I have a terrible record, which you imagine Miami probably will this year, then I going to go after two or from or eastern or one of those kids or Herbert. Yeah. That's what I do. All right dark. Thanks for the phone call. Do you guys need seats to a game? Download the vivid seats happened. Enter promo code champs at checkout to get ten percent off your first order don't buy just any seat get a vivid seat. Let's go to Tony in South Carolina. Tony my man, you're on ESPN radio, man. Big giants fan. They call the way. I think. I think the stars aligning up for us, man. Let me tell you. What I read this morning jury. I go online every day. Looking need your giants news? And I see a report and the giants or explore a tray for Patrick Peterson. Was it happens to be Nari? So of course, and about three hours later the giants has restructure a contract. Allowing him allowing them to get more cap space with in place. Sure allowed Patrick pherson to be traded to the giants along with Rosen. What would you think if that were to happen that will be amazing in Siri? What am I giving up is? This is just for the second overall selection. I about bribery sev- probably give the second second pick and probably some of the other ones on the late around. Yeah. I mean, listen if yes, I mean, I would find that attractive if I could get Rosen Peterson for the for my second round pick in one of my three fifth round picks. I would be very excited about that. Yes. Yes, now, I don't know if that happens. But yeah, I mean, the prospect of that potentially happening is exciting Elias. I liked the name Elias in Georgia allies, you're on ESPN radio. Ambushers Doug my goal. You got it. What's on your mind today? So I'm diehard Niners fan, and I've been reading a lot of Mark's saying that even though says there that we could possibly make a trade with the raiders to jump back up in the first round for their fourth to take say a wide receiver because we all know we needed to number one to go and Shanahan's offense. How do you feel about that passing on a Bosa to add more picks? So now you're getting their fourth overall picks you move down to spots. And yes, we're gonna get I'm gonna get another one later in the round like the Cowboys one. Yeah. Like the twenty fourth and assuming the jets trae down and Haskins goes now who do you who do you think they want to? Probably like an Akil hairy out of Arizona state. Why why would they go up to to to take him? No not to to overall our thinking, they must want. Williams, then. Yeah. It's gotta be both are Williams. But if they won't I don't know. I mean. Yeah, I think you're the the raiders have enough you're flush with with capital that you can go ahead and get that done. If I'm the Niners. I again, I'm of the proponent of being I want the best guy. I I'm not looking to stockpile nine picks. Now, if I get overwhelmed, that's different. But I want the best guy. Give me the best guy and let me live to see another day. Right. ESPN radio presented by progressive insurance. Progressive homequote explorer gives you multiple quote options you can pick. Exactly, what's right for you. See for yourself at progressive dot com. All right. We'll come back. Take more your calls and get you even more ready for the NFL draft. Which is just I mean, we're we're what twenty seven hours away. We just can't wait Stephen a Smith show, ESPN radio and ESPN U. Just what you're in the middle of a Stephen swift show podcast. Dammit. All right. Dave Rothenberg in Stephen ESPN radio. 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At ESPN eight seven to nine three seven seven six on the draft. Of course, we are what are we five? So we are twenty nine hours away from the start of the draft and people are besides themselves. Getting ready for this thing all bets point to Kyla Murray going one both going to and then all bets are completely off. Anthony, and Florida Anthony, you my friend are on ESPN radio. Hey, dave. I'm a first time caller to yours to the CNA Smith show. And I'm wondering I'm not dolphins fan. And what I did. I did on the job. They there's and I traded down four times. For extra second round picks. I traded one of my second round picks to the the cardinals and got Josh Rosen. And then I dropped in my offense of line. I drop it. Michael died in the first round. I drafted elfin Jenkins. And I drafted or drafted drafted both Edwards and bench on the second round. So he's you got it all squared away for the dolphins. I mean, you may be thanks for the call. You may be taking over at some point the the organization, I think sooner rather than later with the way or manipulate little little things there for Miami. Let's go to the king in Delaware. Once it's about the Oakland Raiders king. You're on ESPN radio. Know how you feel good man. What's going on, man? Here had a team like the raiders, and you Jon Gruden would you consider trade and one in the first round picks out of Matthew staffer looking at that division. You gotta keep up with the points. Kansas City in a plan that bring in a guy, that's you know, probably past his prime making that kind of money. No, I wouldn't do that. Would I take a risk on someone else? Yeah. If I wanted Haskins, listen, I've I want Kyla Murray. I go get him. If I'm Jon Gruden. I got enough equity that I can move up and take him I can bowl cliff Kingsbury and Steve over and and make a move form. Yeah. That sounds good to no, man. But it seems like when they'll move Antonio Brown. Some other guys they picked up. I think veteran quarterback get them over the top. I listen, I love Stafford. I'd like to see him with the change of scenery. I'm not trading a lot for that. I just think it would it would be a mistake. Thanks for the call king. All right. So I mean, the setup is great. You got basketball hockey gotta game seven in the NHL tonight. Capitals hurricanes caps one last year. They looked to move on again this year since asional stuff goodstuff by Nuno. Good stuff by cat Stevens joined us arrivers as well. Great stuff all around Stephen evac tomorrow, ESPN radio. Dash just a sample of what you hear on the Stephen swift show, weekdays at one PM eastern on ESPN radio and the ESPN app.

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Phinsider Radio: Talking NFL Combine, Kyler Murray vs. Dwayne Haskins, and the Dolphins plans for the future

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Phinsider Radio: Talking NFL Combine, Kyler Murray vs. Dwayne Haskins, and the Dolphins plans for the future

"Radio pogo dot com, any Espy nation network. And now your host at you cannot joined by co-hosts, Josh outs and air inside. Hello everybody and welcome to side radio. This is magic out a joined by Aaron sudden and Joshua outs. And the NFL combine is officially underway in Indianapolis, Indiana. A Lucas oil stadium players arriving front offices arriving. We are going to be heading to the word culture over the next few days. Make g stay tuned to the center dot com and all of us on Twitter as we bring you the very latest from the NFL scouting combine on Friday. The running backs offensive line kickers and special teams will go on Saturday. The quarterbacks wide receivers tight ends will work out on Sunday the defensive linemen and linebackers will work out and on Monday. It's the -fensive backs, of course, obviously in between before and after we play. Interviews coach. It's us general manager interviews and on Wednesday morning Miami Dolphins head coach, Bryan Flora's and general manager Chris queer spoke to the media symbol there. And we will touch on that also touch on some draft debate topics such as the quarterbacks more partly Cuyler Murray versus Dwayne Haskins which one is better which one might come on top, which one will probably get drafted. I and moving into that. We'll Kyla Murray go number one overall. And if so where does Josh Rosen then lands whilst kinda run down a few other storylines heading into combine week. But I do want to start off by saying that our own Aaron an a Ron in is headed to the NFL. Combine representing pro football network on our dot com on Twitter at PFM three sixty five as you all know, what's our little project here that we do all three of us together. With plenty of great staff. You'll also be representing us here on Finsider radio and the Finsider dot com. Partly espionage. In network, g kinda pulling double duty there. But man, how excited are you to be on the ground at the NFL combine, which I think is one of the top five events that the NFL puts on top three top two definitely not the top ones Super Bowl is. But I would argue besides the draft. Then combine is the place to be obviously super excited didn't know that this would ever be an opportunity just wanna go and not making Atta myself and be a student of the game and absorb as much as I can I'll be with some other good guys. And no see a few more others there. They know this is going to be as much of a networking thing as it will be on the field sort of performance, and it's kinda cool that the reasons combine is going to be interesting as maybe not the reasons that those people might think it's not gonna be the workouts and drills and stuff like that. It's going to be. Some of the things that happened behind the scenes, and that's why I'm super excited just roll my sleeves up and just absorb as much as I can. I'll be a tremendous opportunity for you. And I'm jealous even though you know, we run PFM three sixty five together all of us. But obviously, work schedules and family commitments all of that. So you are going with Brett Yaris and Chris Brunner to members of the staff there, the PFM Staffan again like I mentioned also covering for the Finsider infant side radio. So you definitely have your work. Cut outs. What are you looking forward to the most sign as to the position groups, not only working out put the interview processes while when they meet with the media during their Disney today, what's gonna be interesting just to see the whole process how it unfolds for the media. You know, where are we allowed to stand? How close are we allowed to get to the action? How you know how how available are all the all the players. We know that they're going to be available from two o'clock to five o'clock in the evening each day. But we don't know is what order the players come in. And are there simultaneous podiums open? And it's basically each. Choose who you're going to ask different times. So those types of things I'm going to kind of have to figure out on the fly also in the same vein. I'd saw Bryan Florez Chris Greer interviewed the smarting. I wasn't sure known some of the NFL communications that I had received through PF n that. You know, what's it wasn't apparent which teams in which coaches would be available which times it was very clear that it's gonna be kind of a fluid process. So I'm gonna see when I get there Friday morning, and I'm just like I said, it's gonna roll my sleeves up and get to as much action as I can. And if you know finding a sneak some of my kids in there and helped me accumulate knowledge and info that I'm gonna do that. You'll be making sure we are all stayed at informed of the latest updates on your Twitter feed on the Twitter feed on the inside of the com- everywhere. I know you're going to be hard at work. But let's go back to Wednesday morning when Chris Greer and Brian floors spoke Miami Dolphins general manager and head coach respectively. They had a few interesting tidbits. I think the biggest hit bit. They came out of. This was a few things we're going to touch on all of them number one. They said they want to remain in the future with the team is plans the expect to be there. The exact quote from believe, it was Chris Greer. He said he was asked. Where'd you think stand with Howard? And he said, yes, I'm very confident that he'll be there exceeding has been in the building. He's coming back working out and getting in shape again after the proble he's doing good who've been hanging out around him. He wants to be a Miami dolphin. We want him to be a dolphin. And there is a lot of discussion from media and from fans made up discussion I thought. Because I think we had pretty much consistently said here on this show that we were very confident that Howard remained dolphin just based on the defensive philosophy alone from the New England Patriots where they have their strong corners shut down their number one and number two on the opponent posing offense and using that as your strength and to kinda build their defense around that. So when the talk sort of coming up the dolphins would maybe trading saving Howard for future draft picks. It just didn't make sensory because he is one of the best corners in the NFL. And he's going to cost money. You don't draft guys just to let them walk. That's not how you build a team. So I thought that was interesting before we touch on that. And also just want to talk about John James, another player that many are talking about an Chris Greer said that John James had got married last weekend to graduations, John. And they said that they'll be talking to his camp after the combine they both agreed on it. But it sounded like that, you know, he wants Joon to stay to wants to say. But obviously they're going to let the market dictate of kind of money. He makes out there. And see what they can do to kind of work around that let's start with exellent Howard. How some of the throw this? Once you. I mean, guys elite. He's gonna be paid like an corner gonna be paid the highest corner in the NFL at least until the next cornerback signs a contract. But, but I think it's good news to hear that Chris queer saying they want exhibit and saving wants to be there. And that's something we touched on all three of us in last week show. So I mean, it's nice to hear Chris kirkum out there and say that the dolphins are gonna focus on sign in their own. But one thing we all need to realize he said exerting Howard is going to be on the team. He predicts he will be on the team next season. He's under contract next season. The dolphins not need to give him a new contract this year. It's just something in their best interest. Because you've got a guy who's starting to get better each and every year. Yes. The health is still concerned. I think all three of us agree that they need to do diligence, Sarah. But if that was boxes are checked exerting Howard is one of the best defensive backs in the NFL you stole Stefan Gilmore that defense. It's going to be similar. They're going to have those physical corners at the line. Exuding Howard is physicals. They come. I mean that was part of the reason. You know, he had those falls come out of the out of a Baylor. Because he he was a guy that was very handy. The line consistently got penalized ended it would just continue to grow. And now this guy's finally starting to own his skills. He's becoming one of the true shutdown corners in the NFL. We all know he was led the league interceptions. He's a playmaker. It's good here. Chris crusades gonna bring him back on anxious. You guys think about John James because that's gonna be a very interesting thing to see how that plays out with his bat. Dolphins offensive line has been lately. So let's switch to John James and son. I'm gonna throw this one to you again, Chris said Joon just got married, and they would work with him after the combine. But here's what he also said he said we drafted him here. And he's good young player. We'd like to have him here. And we'll see what the market is in what he's looking for as well. When asked how important Joon James would be as an inker for the offensive line, especially right? Tackle Chris Greer when I say this it's wellness box. You have to check going out at the end of the day. The organization will do what's best for the dolphins is a good guy. He's. Worked hard. He's been here and his good teammate teammate. So we'll see what happens now for me that reads between the lines this. We'd love to have drawn to back. We liked him as a player. But when Chris Greer said at the end of the day will do best for the dolphins. It sounds like the aren't going to overpay him. And what you want James is probably the best right? Tackle on the free agent market. They may get out of his price range. What do you think sign? I agree with that read. I think. It's a way of saying we like to on James, I hope that his representation comes in with a very kind of free flowing, the Goshi style and not to say that you're just gonna make whatever contract happened. But you're gonna come in with a really, let's work together attitude, and I think that's the conditions that they wanna try to create because I do think that they want to keep John James, right? Tackle it would make sense to not have to think of another important piece in the trenches factor because it's already a huge issue on both sides of the ball. So if you add another element that that's not a good situation. So if you can potentially limit some of the fallout. From how the roster's constructed in from some of the other rumors that will get to here in a second. I think keeping John James at a at a reasonable market value make sense. So hopefully, they're just kind of massaging how the atmosphere is going to be when they go into the contract talks. When you talk about the dolphins. And the thing that's going out. Now. Suppo- or build team right way. We've talked about this on the show in detail. No one's going to on tank. It's just gonna be the process organically. It's going to happen. But the idea is to get that future quarterback. And. They're talking about two from Alabama and two was a left handed quarterback. And the blind side will be the right tackle position. So of they're really truly thinking that they may have a shot at to next year's draft. Wouldn't it that make sense to really focus on getting John James locked up long-term or perhaps they'll say if John James walked draft the right tackle in this year's draft your next year's draft. And groom that guy to be the blind spot protector because left quarterback things kind of change on that. I definitely think that's a good point. I won't say that right? Tackle is completely obsolete compared to the left tackle. Because what defensive coordinator have done over the years is they just rotate the blitz packages and all the GATT pressures in all the confusion towards the side of the offense of Linus. We. So if you're weak on the right tackle, they're going to find a way to manipulate that. So you really can't be week anywhere on the offense of line. So, but with that being said left tackle becomes a blindside becomes undoubtedly more important. Tweet it out earlier this in thing about the two and people wanna tank, you know, tank for two, but then you don't want to go out there, and and resigned, John James, I heard someone say, you know, you might make twelve million will told me and put them above lane. John's news currently, you know, top the NFL. So I don't see John James breaking twelve million guys think about that. But I think it was all somebody come down to whether or not team is willing to pay him to be the number one. Right. Tackle in the NFL. You know? So if someone's willing to give that type of money, it's not in the dolphins best interest. But if you're going to let this man walk over a couple million dollars. I just don't see it because the dolphins are not good at drafting offense of mean we've seen at their best offense alignments guide that the phone their lap in the first round that they'd can't draft him. Yes. This is a new regime, but they've struggled to find offensive line town in the draft. They've failed to do in free agency uh. So I just don't see how letting a twenty what five twenty six year old, right? Tackle hit the free agency of market if you. Can if you can avoid that you do it at all cost build around those two book ends and good things. Eventually come and the dolphins spent plenty of years trying to get that offense the line in shape for quarterback Ryan tannehill. And now it looks like you're going to have to rebuild the entire line. And they're also likely moving from Ryan Santa hill. And Brian floors was asked about tannahill in Wednesday's press conference. He said this. He said right now, everything is kind of in process I've been here three and a half weeks we've gone through the nations of the roster. Everything is in process. We still have time obviously mates me valuations, but will still have time to make those decisions. Obviously, this was something that was non-committal from Brian Flora's. Obviously, we all know that Ryan tannehill is going to be moved on from this off season at some point whether via trade Cup or anything. We just don't know the timing. It's not a matter of if it's a matter of when we talked about Ryan tannehill on the show and whether or not as right move. And we all agreed that it is the right move to move on from tannehill. And is the end of the tannehill era in Miami. Whether or not he lands, whether it's in Washington Cincinnati somewhere. We'll see how that shakes. I do hope the dolphins are able to get some kind of trade compensation for him. I would expect maybe a fourth or fifth round pick at it's a miracle. If they get anything higher than that. But you gotta take what you can get. So he will be gone from Miami. I will be very surprised if he's in Miami this coming season. So we'll see how that plays out there. Another guy Cameron wake. And when Chris Greer was asked about that. Here's what he said right now with the roster in Brian. We're going through everything he's been a dolphins minute tremendous player for us. So we'll see where that is right now. And we'll have conversations with him and his agent probably soon. Now, I know we talked about this on the show, we all gave our opinion house hearing that and hearing that what is your take on the dolphins interest in bringing wake back. I mean, we talked about it you give this guy whatever he wants. I mean, if he's not looking for top dollar not looking for a team that he can go out there and get ten with playing a meaningful playoff game. You know, maybe make it deep into a playoff run that something that he deserves. I just think if he wants come back and play Miami, which I'm sure he does because he's a lifer. Pry the best thing Jeff islands ever done. If Cameron wake wants back in my in the numbers are right. You bring him back because what that can do to younger, but defensive ends pass rushers. Just every day going around there and seeing what can wake does at his age. I think that's motivation for the entire team. I think that's the right way to build. You know, you need to have that veteran presence in in the locker room. So I think camera wakes deserved to have his decision made whether or not he wants to stay Miami. Then you you give it to him if he wants to go elsewhere respect that let him go play for contender. If can wake wants to be a dolphin. Let him be a dolphin. Absolutely. There's no reason. Dowden. So we saw what he did and Mike Nolan defense granted that was several years ago. But there's still the potential that he could make some plays. I mean, he he came back through an injury in the production that he had made a very strong argument become back player of the year. So I think he could absolutely do something in this defense. So really just matters very much. How he values the dollar signs and whether he wants to kind of keep his legacy and Miami. And I am willing to accept whatever decision came and wake wants to make because he has certainly earned that from our fan base. And I suspect that they're meeting with his agent and wake of he attends as well. We'll just be about the philosophy of the team moving forward for this coming season and beyond. And I do think they will have an offer for wake ready. But ultimately as you said sign, it will be up to wake I am matching as to whether or not he truly wants to come back based on hearing their plan for the future. We'll see we'll see how it shakes out. That's going to be a interesting situation to watch on the one hand doesn't really make sense. But on the other hand, it does make sense in terms of helping build the culture that Brian Flora's is trying to establish with the Miami Dolphins another culture he's trying to establish at the quarterback position. Whether it's a rookie, whether it's a ridge quarterback or trading for someone like Josh Rosen, and that's going to lead us into the Cuyler Murray and Wayne Haskins debate. Lots of talk about Cuyler Murray's heights under six feet shorter than Baker Mayfield by all accounts. He hasn't been officially measured in at the combine as we record this podcast. We don't know exactly what is height is going to be questions about his hand size point Haskins questions about him to Cuyler Murray, possibly going number one overall to the cardinals with cliff Kingsbury, and if that happens and Josh Rosen becomes available for me, and I'll start this off because I know we're going to talk about his height. I don't think height matters a ton mean Brock Osweiler is one of the tallest quarterbacks in the league. And how many times where his passes batted down at the line of scrimmage. Plenty of times. I think it depends on your throwing motion the way read the defenses the way you manipulate the defenses in the defensive line on the linebackers and getting them off the ball to make the throws that you need to throw. Yes, obviously, he wouldn't do a little bit more to adjust a little bit more to compensate and that may take toll mentally on him at some points. Yes. I know he had one of the best offense of lines in all of college football massive offensive line. Definitely won't get that with the dolphins. But again, I'm going back to this. If the dolphins have shot at Cuyler Murray, you pull the trigger. Do I think he's wanted phone number thirteen hell, no? I think he's a top five pick for sure we all know how teams value the quarterback position this league. If you think twelve other teams are going to pass up on him. And then the other thirty one or whatever it would be based on that match twenty four twenty three teams pass up on him and not trait up for him. I think you're crazy to think that because it just how special this guy can be and everyone was talking about Baker Mayfield dropping to the end of the first round last year. And dude was the number one overall pick. So I'm not buying this talked to Kyla Murray will be a second round pick. He's going to be a first round pick. And you know, looking at what Chris Greer set about Kyle Murray and not Cuyler Mary. But Brian floor is said about Kyla Murray. These great athlete phenomenal player, Chris Greer said about horror Bax, they want them to be mentally strong and very smart quarterbacks and fundamentally sound if you do draft Kyla Moore you get that bridge quarterback in Miami. Still and you build your offensive line over the next two years so Kayla Marie can sit his first year and learn from the sideline and then take the reins in year two outside. I know you both have very strong opinions about Kyla Murray outside think of one of the strong opinions about Kyle Moorish all start with you. If it comes down to Carla Marie and twain Haskins who are you selecting? I mean that is that is the debate of the NFL draft season are kinda pondered myself. You know, what if Miami just wanted to go for, you know, they they know a franchise Quebec wolf they move up to number one. Then from there decide on column or Dwayne Haskins. I mean, you see, you know, one guy fits all the size requirements that Bill Parcells only guys came before believed that a quarterback needed to have. But collar Merimee watching him play football. Everyone keeps saying, you know, he's kinda like a Michael Vick or he has a little bit of Russell Wilson a little bit of Pat Mahomes. I mean column is going to be Tyler Murray. And just I think everyone is going to be put on notice real quick when he runs at forty when he goes out there and prove that he is the most accurate passer straffed prove that he can make all the NFL throws. I mean, I think Wayne Haskins I'm gonna stay Finn. And I'm gonna miss that right now. I think in Haskins Zaveri quarterback, I think he would fit this system. Very well. I think you know, maybe Dwayne has. Is the best fit for the Miami Dolphins. But for me, I wanna collar Marie I wanna guy that's gonna go out there and just make electrifying plays each. And every time if it's me on moving up for column or at all costs, you know, I don't think he's gonna get past Zona. I dunno talk about that more. But I just think with the comments that came out today. I think if Josh Rosen was your guy, you'd went out there, and at least try to reassure him a little bit because you gain nothing trade value is by saying, you know, Josh roses, my quarterback for now will what does that mean if you would want out there and said, we don't want cholera will teams would have started calling. I think so it didn't make sense to me clippings, very said on record that he will take column number one overall if he could now he has the chance but for me, Dwayne Haskins color Marie. I think those are the cream of the crop of this year's draft class. Those are the two quarterbacks that I believe will be franchise quarterbacks will be leaders of NFL team sooner later for me. I just see more, you know, elite for something. You have never seen before like a collar Mery Dwayne Haskins. I mean, I think he fits the mold of of guys who've come before. And that's not a bad thing. Someone asked me who I think he could be say Philip rivers on a standby that column though, I think he can just be a one of the better players to ever lace up his cleats. So for me, I'm going column. They're both good. You know, let's omit that in hill is. Ranking them is maybe one of the least important parts of this whole conversation. Just because they're both really good athletes. And I'm very curious how both of them turn out to to play in the NFL. The ranking is largely irrelevant because they're the clear to best quarterback. So. Again, it's going to be kind of lucky to see how these guys pan out because maybe happens as little overlooked because he's boring. He's that kind of stereotypical pocket passer, and he's a little safer. He's at safe guy. He kinda checks all the boxes, and you don't see really anything stand out glaring on the tape. He's not he certainly not Doug Flutie out there. Make people miss in the pocket, but he's has a very sound arm. Cuyler Murray little bit more risky of a pick. But you cannot deny talent cannot deny the ceiling. So it really depends on the team that is in the situation to look at these players which teams can afford to be risky, and which teams really needs to be safe. And that as completely attained by team sich situation by situations or thing, so. The reason I like Haskins though, a little bit better than Cuyler. And that's the reason we are looking at the competition that they have played recently. The big ten just seems to value playing team defense a little bit more than a big twelve and yes stats can be really skewed. Because you have the whole shovel pass phenomenon. Where players are getting fifty seventy five yards touchdowns on shuffle passes where they're really not doing anything. So let's just admit that that for both players Cuyler and Dwayne Haskins their stats are a little bit skewed. By the fact that they're allowed to get away with certain things within their offense. That makes it seem that they're doing a little bit more than what they do. But anyway. Dwayne Hassans I feel like compared to previous highest state quarterbacks. He's planning a more pro style offense. And as a result of that Keiler, I think and don't get me wrong. The run pass balance with him is completely lethal. I also think that offense was based mostly on a I read sort of thing. So if NFL defense's get onto you and they get their fangs into your little bit. And how to slow you down whether physically mentally you can assure that NFL defensive coordinators are going to make sure that Keiler stays in the pocket. And when he's in the pocket based on the Oklahoma often said he went through. Does he have enough experience going through second third? Fourth reads. To kind of MIR what he can expect from NFL defense's is that going to slow his athleticism down because he's thinking a little bit more. So those types of nuance conversations need to happen in these front offices. Clearly Cuyler Murray is going to demand a little bit more. Attention to detail when you're creating the roster. I think you've really have to build. The offense specifically around Cuyler Dwayne Haskins is a little bit more of that again boring stereotypical quarterback that could probably thrive in a couple of different schemes column. Early skews me Cuyler Murray as talented as he is. We'll probably need a little bit more structure into in terms of manufacturing a consistent offense. I don't know if the dolphins would pull the trigger on column or even if he was available. I just feel like they are so set on their process of building this team the way they want you, which is not a bad thing at all. They have in mind exactly what they want which is again, not a bad thing. It's a very good thing that they wouldn't pull the trigger on Cuyler. And they may be used that spot where they are in the graph to trade out and get more picks for the future. That'd be my guess. So it'd be a big surprise one. If even filling the thirteen and two it'd be a bigger surprise again if the dolphins actually selected collar Murray because of this. Cuyler Murray has a very low floor very high ceiling, but very low floor twain Haskins for me as a high floor and smaller ceiling than Carla Murray. And for those who may not be aware or unsure of what that exactly means. It means this if you have a high floor, it means teams have a good idea. Even if you're worse than they expected, you're still going to be in that area where they think your floor is so of my floor or if Dwayne Haskins floor is a he's a above average quarterback. No matter how bad or no matter how much she struggles in the NFL. He's always going to be at the very league in above average quarterback. That's his floor his ceiling will he be a franchise early quarterback. No one knows. But let's say a ceiling as that. He could be a great quarterback. So that's your range between Haskins. And this is just throwing this out. There is not based on anything any reports that we've completed his range would be above average two greats Cuyler Murray on the other hand, I think. His floor is bust. His ceiling is all pro. And I don't know if you guys agree with that or not. But that's how I look at these two quarterbacks. I completely agree. That's why I said it kind of in the beginning of my rant that. It really depends on the team looking at it. It's is it a team that can afford to take that type of risk or do you want to kind of play safer join Haskins? So it's really a matter of taste. It's really a matter of. How you have your board for me with Haskins. He just ranks a little bit higher. This may seem like a slight at first, but let me talk through it Byran left which but with a quicker delivery, tough leader smart, decisive accurate. He checks a lot of boxes and a highest state might have a little bit of a bias considering how some of the quarterbacks have come through that program, where it's, you know, the J T Barrett and the in another quarterback like Troy Smith, you have those types of quarterbacks that was more of a a run pass option sort of team. And with join Haskins it was much more of a traditional pro off under urban minor. So I thought that type of evolution offense. Really sick. Signified? How good doing Haskins is as passer he makes every pass look effortless. And I think if the dolphins are any position to get Wayne Haskins. That's not completely unfeasible. You you look at that opportunity in Haskins doubt the best house stay quarterback. That's come out. You know for as long as I can remember and to think what he could do in this offense. You know, his game. Is those accurate short intermediate passes Ness would Haskins does so well, I think you'd be perfect for chatter Shays offense. But again, you mentioned it sounds like he might be better barn left, which to me. I think you need to do a little bit better than Byron left, which I think a collar Marie is the guy I know that he isn't a traditional quarterback. He doesn't fit any of the size requirements. He he's just a different player into no that he's gonna go out there and likely run under four point four of the forty. No, he continues to balk up. He's at two six now. So what? You're gonna fault him for that eight of an inch Shetty short. I don't see I think round up. He's five ten to six can make every NFL throw asked of him can completely revolutionized the game of football. See a Russell Wilson. I see an elite talent. Yes, he could be a bust. But I think the only way that that could happen is if you know, something severely bad happens to him. I think an injury is the only way that could happen because this guy has all the skills end for me. I think you need to do a little bit better than just you know, a very good quarterback. You know, a top fifteen top ten quarterback. That's great. But I think Marie can be better than that. You know, he could do a Baker Mayfield in my opinion, thinking go out there. And he's not as polished as Baker. If it doesn't fit those requirements can't make some throws Mayfield Kim because that's one of the best quarterback said of come out in recent memory, but column can can do a lot of the same things. And I don't think he'll be there for Miami. But for me. Who I build my franchise around. I agree. But let's say he goes number one overall do trade for Josh Rosen. It would depend I talked about his thirteen the number thirteen pick. That would be something that you'd have to really talk about because you can get an elite talent there. We saw Minka last year right around there, you know, during when James this year is going to be very good Ed rushers the dolphins desperately need that. So for me, it would come down. So, you know, weighing those players that are likely going to be available in Josh Rosen. I think last year wasn't there. Lots of rumors him going into England. Could you not see him the Bill Belichick train up? You know for me if it's a second I would heavily consider third youthful trigger right away. I do think that's how relieved annoy column or is going to be the pick there. I think if you if you invest in a guy you bring a cliff Kingsbury, see what he didn't college. That's why brought him any wasn't very successful. But he had that air raid offense, and you need to have a quarterback with. Column or skill set. I think it'd be perfect. But if he hits if he if he goes number one, you think on much rather trade for Dwayne Haskins. Maybe Josh Rosen. It would be tough. I'm I'm not sure for me. It's column or your bust. If you get Wayne Haskins, you gotta feel happy. Josh rosen. Second or third sign me up on the house feels. No, I wouldn't do it. After after Dwayne Haskins in Cuyler Murray. My interest kinda fades, I think Josh Rosen would be in a similar category today. Jones, Andrew lock, and that's not the type of quarterback that think's gonna move the needle for the for the organization's. I'd rather wait. I think it's going to be very interesting to see the dolphins offseason. Moves sounds like going to add a few pieces in free agency. And then I think you're just going to trade down a lot in the drought traits players away and stockpile picks as much as possible to have the flexibility move up and down the board not only this year, but next year as well is I do think organically, we all believe organically that losses are willing to come on their own no such thing as tainting in the NFL NBA. Yes, NFL there's no way. Not with this sport. We'll see how it all shakes out this coming season this coming off season. I do believe in the vision that Flora's Greer. Reggie mckenzie. Marvin Allen all-share together the same aligned vision. It just kind of refreshing to see that offense for once doing things the right way any last thoughts. Son in house before we wrap up the show. Just wanna thank everybody that helped me along the way on the Twitter streets mean Twitter streets, help kinda raise a Twitter kindergartner to somebody. That's going to the combine. So thank everybody along the way, especially cannot a an an how you guys were the ones that convinced me to do it in the first place. So it's. I got how how many years we've been doing this? I mean, it's ridiculous. Be safe. Enjoy yourself drink, lots of beer and. And just just be Sutton. Lisa fun sign. I don't want anything stupid. I don't know. What that means? I the only thing I I know what? Oh, I don't end up in Kentucky again. So I don't. So basically, I don't walk to a different state. And I don't get anyone pregnant are those Mike too. You say visa nuts? Kind of what I don't be. Don't be son. 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They made a huge mistake last night taking Daniel Jones at six we're talking about it. Kyle Murray is a cardinal. What does that mean for Josh Rosen? Shefty tells you be likely place Rosen winds up as soon as today and bents Washington getting its man white Wayne Haskins. My just be these deal of the first round. It's get up and this hour. Live in Nashville starts right now. Look at the beautiful morning that we have worked in here. After a crazy night. I've been to twenty three NFL dress. I've ever seen anything quite like, the crowds that gathered here on Broadway in Nashville, they call the area Nash, Megan. And it was absolutely insane. Last night as everyone was getting ready to these teams make their decisions at the draft again. And then all hell broke loose at number six has the. New York Giants elected Daniel Jones as the heir-apparent to Eli manning and the entire world said wait what here's the giants. General manager Gettleman to explain is thinking. I loved them. Absolutely love everything about them. And then I went to the senior bowl you walked out there, and I saw professional quarterback after after the three series that I watched I saw professional quarterback. So that's when I was in full bloom. Love goals for you. Lied to be quarterback. Yes. I told he lie I told ally when we visited, you know, it's your job to win games. And keep this guy off the field. Maybe we're going to be the Green Bay model Kim. Well, bred we're Roger set for three years who else, you know. It's it it. It's it's one of those deals where it doesn't make a difference. What position is you can never have too? Many good players at one position. We drafted a quarterback that we believe is a franchise quarterback. That's really that's really the the long on the shot of it. I Rex back with us along with swag. Rex you were the one who was fully on board with this pick in our first hour. What'd you make of that conversation? I changed my mind. So you greedy giants. Let me tell you some just give me five million a year. I'll come in and handle the press. Oh, my guts who's fast. Come on. But you know, what I literally like this pick. And I think everybody's like, well, he's not accurate or whatever it looked have you seen do. I mean, they dropped forty three balls for this guy last year and over the over the thing if you look at him he threw seventy seven percent catchable balls Haskins Murray eighty percent. So I get it. But this guy's a much better athlete than we give credit for so early wrecks likes. And maybe he'll want to being a great player. But swept through the point. You were making just coming off. Only heard from Dave Gettleman when you pick someone six draft your inclination should not have to go up there and start making all of these explanations and all of these verifications, I found the whole thing. Very confused rates. Listen, look like this guy. Galls me my job. That's what he looked like he was thinking about day does we'll get more talking about Rex accident. Now, I understand you. Everybody has their guys when you were in New York, the NFL is about Quiring tally, right and elite talent. It's specially at that position. How do we give that Bellizzi today your Jones based on the fail is what that that's my issue? I look it sounds so bad sometimes because it sounds like we're tacking these kids, but our job is to look at the film and say, okay, this translates this translate. He that translates to a six hit Rex. Well, I think sometimes, you know, six picker whatever you gotta get a quarterback. And I think you know, looking at Mark Sanchez. They said the same thing about you know, when we moved up to six to get Mark Sanchez. We'll guess what? There is nothing else out there. We had to have a quarterback immediately to play. That's why we moved up to get Sanchez and say what you want. But we did he did went four row playoff games. I do the same thing. Success at. I mean that. But, but when I look at this the Daniel Jones, I think is a better better prospect than we're giving four, and you know, what we can look at every one of these guys we can make a good bad and ugly cut ups of every one of these quarterbacks and quite honestly every player out there. Yeah. But they're they're clearly betting on the upside the fact that he's behind ally manning, and I think it's going to really help this young, man. And hopefully when it comes in the plan would be obviously when he like, you know, rides off into the sunset, then this guy takes over. So we'll see if it works. Unfortunately, we're not gonna know for about five years. We'll see when could. Has honored. Louis Riddick into the conversation. Fabulous work last night. Lewis. I watched every second and loved it on the main desk ESPN for those who did not see your reaction. What was yours to Daniel Jones going six to the giants? I mean, I was shocked anything they were going to go the position overall in the first place. I thought defensive line pass rusher was going to be something that they looked at six and tried to address it at seventeen based on how I thought teams would value the quarterbacks overall after column was picked, and you know, you'd heard enough rumors. I talked to people to say maybe maybe the quarterbacks we're going to go off somewhere between thirteen fifteen thirteen seventeen. I didn't think Daniel would go that high. So look, I I was a little bit shock just in terms of the price that they paid for my understand, what his positives are understand. You know, his mental processing power is something that people get in with. I understand that. He is a guy who actually is someone who can pick a purse down with his legs in is a better athlete than people giving credit for. I also understand that look I watched the tape. I saw why receivers dropped balls for him. I saw why receivers led him down. I also saw him led his team down. I saw make bad decisions. I had saw him be late on reads. I saw him lead. Deep ball short or overthrow clean pocket. Guys break into three yard behind the behind the deepest player on the field on defense, which is some you don't see do wide receivers do very often and him just flat out miss him. So look, it's Rex's made a great point, you can absolutely just tear guy apart. If you put together all of his bad plays, and you can make guy looked like Aaron Rodgers put together all of his good place. Quarterback evaluation is highly subjective. That's clear. Listen to how Dave talked about him subjectively speaking, personally speaking, he loved the guy, and I've I've heard GM's scouts talk that way about all kinds of players. Now, the post important part is this him and Pat Shurmur they better have a plan for him. When in fact, he does get done playing whenever he gets done playing. If he ever gets done playing based on the way, they sounded last night. Louis. Stay with exams another quarterback that you and I both liked the best and we're going to get that conversation and a couple of minutes. Meanwhile, lower to you. Yeah. Lewis is bringing up the point lofty about looking at the tape. I think the one thing about Daniel Jones. A lot of is when you look at the most maybe NFL ready defense. It was his play against Clemson. And that didn't go very well when you watch that Clemson game when I watched the cleansing game and took notes I said there was not a single throw made in that game. That was impressive. There was not a a moment where you go. Wow. That was special that was something unique against a very talented defense. And so that's the thing that stands out. There's no major flaw in the game. There's no like, wow. This guy's really has some major red flags. But there's nothing that pops. There's nothing that wows you there's nothing that goes. Oh my goodness. That guy just made a throw against NFL competition. You watch the wake game. And I understand we could find good in bed. But week was one of the bottom ten or twelve defenses in college football this year decompre- like forty percent of his past is against a bad defense. So again, you have to ask yourself is this guy a good player or a franchise changing great player? And I think it's more of the former. Yeah. A lot of people talk about Tyler Murray, maybe making history as being something different. We haven't seen in the NFL maybe Daniel Jones being just good in college and becoming great the NFL. If he does could be history making how about the other quarterback that was taken after that. And that was Wayne has didn't conical pick number fifteen. The Redskins take the Ohio State quarterback many thought they would have trade up. They're able to get him with a regularly scheduled pick. Here's Haskins responses. Jin Ladda having a wait to fifteen overall to get drafted. I know you waited longer than you would have liked what does this moment feel like compared to your expectations. To be honest. I'm more motivated, not never there's a bigger tip from our Soter lead a messed up and MS less by God. Like, my family my down the street. So we won't do it. Right. This time. So crazy. When you see that? All you think about is the fact that the Redskins and the in the same division. I'm not sure ain't Haskins needed anymore motivation. But he's definitely got it. I am interested though in your take on his fit with the Redskins often specifically in that coaching staff. What do you think? All right. So the Nishel fit with thinking that dre Jay Gruden is there play colored offense coordinator is not good because Jay Gruden really was his best when he was doing the Mike Shanahan, Sean McVay play action movement system. That's not Dwayne Haskins greatest strength now their offense of coordinators. Kevin O'Connell who's a guy that in two thousand sixteen with chip Kelly who else is with chip Kelly is Ryan day who's the head coach of Ohio State in so cave. Gruden if he lets Kevin O'Connell speed their play caller and play designer in loud, Dwayne Haskins own the line of scrimmage operate from the pocket, then it's a very good fit. But it needs to be O'Connell not Jay Gruden as you can tell we're right in the middle of music city here in Nashville. On Broadway, dance ready to get Gruban. Greenie more on doing with you guys. Yes. The stage upon which I said is reverberating. So I'm gonna throw it to you. Louis Riddick for your thoughts. You when I both were absolutely on board with Dwayne Haskins. What did you make of the way his night fell and the fit in Washington? Yeah. For doing in particular, obviously, you could see look it doesn't take. You don't have to have a degree in psychology to figure out that he was ticked off. He didn't think he should have lasted that long. And I think in particular the guy who went ahead of him. And that'd be Daniel Jones to the team that maybe he wanted to play for as a child, I think that ticked him up. So I think you didn't highly motivated player that being said, I'll tell you this. I talk a lot about sponsorship meaning ownership in the top levels of organizations, how much do they like you? How much do they want you? How much are they invested in tell you this the owner of the Washington Redskins will make it very well known to the rest of the people more because as in how he feels about certain players and he wanted this kid. He wanted Wayne Haskins to be his quarterback down there. Now. I know he's not going to be the one who's coaching him. He's not going to be the one who's calling plays. He's not going to be the one who is correct in on the field. He's not going to be the one rehabbing 'em. When he when he you know has anything wrong with him. He's not gonna be the one who's counseling him off the field. But I tell you. This everyone in that organization. We'll be behind making sure that Dwayne turns out to be the very very best. He can be the quarterback room in particular. I think is set up for success. He's going to have Alex Smith around their whole, though, we you know, Alex Smith may never play football game. We don't I don't know that for sure, but I would say this out is going to be around their case keenum is going to be the guy who's going to be the bridge quarterback form. You can't set the table form in that way. Any better than that? Okay. You cannot now they need to do some work as far as making sure he has weapons on the perimeter to help him get the job done to make sure that the running game continues to be developed the offense align hopefully, these guys stay healthy because take one through five the Redskins. Offensive lines is good as anyone in the NFL when they're all healthy ready to go. They've just been decimated by injuries in past years. So he's got a lot of things going for him down there and on top of it. He's got Landon Collins on that football team. Who was also set down the road by the New York Giants that game the giants the Redskins. I hope Daniel Jones play sooner rather than later. Hope doing sooner rather than later because that's going to be must see TV. Absolutely. That's always been a great rivalry. Maybe it's a little bit better. Still Lewis stay there. I'm not a big story coming out of last night. Obviously right at the very beginning of the night collar Marino surprise, going number one overall to Arizona. So the Heisman Trophy winner goes to the desert thus far the cardinals of not found a deal for Josh Rosen, whom they took in the first round a year ago. Here was Adam Schefter in our first hour with more on Rosen. Three teams that the cardinal spoke to about a potential Josh Rosen deal during the off season or the giants chargers and the Miami Dolphins. Well, the new giants went out and drafted dangle Jones last night chargers haven't really had much interest and sign tyrod Taylor. And now that leaves the dolphins who still have quarterback questions as the lone possibility. The two sides have spoken some talks are going along right now, they're not exhilarating especially fats. But you would think that there would be something of a deadline today. All right into three continue again that was Adam Schefter in our first hour. We're just giving you a sense see where it says rock bottom. That's where we're sitting. And you see the stage. It's very close to us, and they have extraordinarily lab music going from there. So our apologies. If that is interfering with your ability here, we'll do the best we can to continue here on our set. I've Rex Ryan and Marcus fears. So Rex we were discussing moment ago whether or not it is feasible to function with both Josh Rosen and Cuyler Marie on the same team as a head coach. Can you make that work? Well, I've been here you'd have to make it work. But I ain't them. That work and they have to date they're gonna create a, but we've seen this before the Dallas Cowboys we put up a stat that no team back to back round picks to nineteen seventy at that position. That's not true. Troy Aikman win with the first sold. All big. And then they follow that up with Steve off. Maybe there was two years in between that that happened for one year, then they moved on from wall sake traded walls for number of fix. So I think you're gonna move out. We'd eats positive ho-jo going in Arizona. You got Kyle Murray and their kidney other cat out. You're gonna give what you can get for Rosen and move on. What do the is is not gonna work because it's not designed to work. You drafted column. Are- ought to get rid of jot Rovan they the Arizona Cardinals in their brands saying that we don't want this to work. We don't need this the work there on the phone as a probably a month ago to get rid of Josh rose. Knowing that they would make this move. It's a difficult situation when you're in a quarterback room. And I think what makes it more difficult is too young guys. Josh Rosen sitting in the room saying I'm good enough to play in the NFL calendar is saying the same thing. And don't forget a lot of people don't notice about caliber hand talked about it much. He was at Texas AM with another recruit that was number one in country day Callan was in the same quarterback group. Kevin suddenly ended up losing those guys because it just doesn't exist. It doesn't coexist. Will you take a guy I in the draft and hit in the draft at the same position. And the most important position in football. Let me segue back to the previous conversation about twain Haskins. The wise falling all the way to fifteen let's say for the sake of argument if it is good. He's prospect lung you very much on the Daniel Jones bandwagon. What do you think of asking? But I look out Haskins. His well, I was just saying for me. I would I would have taken that night. To pass three. That's exactly what happened so Haskins to me. I hope like Louis Dale this. My whole doesn't you know, he's not force the play immediately. Because I think you need to sit in there, you give me I case beat them to great situation. Just still get a neighbor with those goes in force the issue, I think that could be detrimental to bell at his own own. And you're going to get a great quarterback is two things that happen. The white has has walked into a great situation. Again, light Louis loaded too. They have a really good offense of land. And Darius guide showed a lot of promise before he was injured. So he'll come in with a reggae. Then you Jones in the New York. Giants dumb so much talent landing college is in Washington. Now, they'll Beckham in Cleveland Olympia, Vernon inkling this is a lot of these guys that they all bloated Haskins is I think it's the better quarterback. And he walks into a better situation. At the end of the day Dwayne Haskins had as good a season is any big ten quarterback has ever had in the history of the conference, the fit is the fit. We'll see if he's rushed onto the field. How it works? But as a prospect for whatever my opinion is worth I thought he was the best in this draft. Laura. What do you have another guy with a lot of great opinions? And a lot of scouting that went into all of this draft. Guru Todd mcshay here to hand out some draft grades awards, and maybe some not so good words from last night the first round of the draft. So we begin with this one. What was the best pick in your mind? Todd. I really liked what Denver didn't moving back getting a second rounder getting additional picks next year. And then also getting Noah fan who player I thought it was one of the fifteen best players in this year's class Tidende coming out of Iowa. The second tight end being drafted out of Iowa. You've got a quarterback. And Joe flacco who you've committed to for short term two maybe three years, and you know, his favorite thing is that security blanket at the tight end position and fan is basically just a flex doubt wide receiver type who can create mismatches. And again, you get Fant plus you get additional picks that are going to help you immediately. But also in the future when you're gonna have to start moving on from Joe flacco. So I thought from a value standpoint that was a great pick. I love TJ Hawkin. The other Iowa tight end Jack Jacksonville had an opportunity for him. He gets to Detroit because Josh Allen fell basically, Jacksonville and Detroit wound up making out because of. The mistakes in my opinion that Oakland made with Cleland farro the klumps defensive and taking him to high. And then Daniel Jones a quarterback of the giants going at number six. So all of a sudden two of the six best players in this year's draft class fall a little bit. And they said, you know, what forget needs. We're just gonna take the best player on the board. Gotta think that Josh Allen there and Saxon Ville has a chance to be pretty great. Okay. Daniel Jones, tons of reaction everywhere. What if you heard on your end? I haven't heard anything because I don't care. What I hear to be honest with you, Laura. I just know what I saw. And listen I was at the Clemson game. And I walked this tough guy get up after hit after hit after hit. And I know he's intelligent, and I know he's well coaxed, and there are a lot of positives to them and he can run. But when you look at all the really good quarterback, especially guys that are his frame and the pocket passing style. Look it from Peyton Manning to Tom Brady Aaron Rodgers and and moving on what do they all have in common? First of all they can create within the pocket. I know he can run. I know he ran for a hundred eighty plus gets North Carolina. I know here in the second fastest forty of all the quarterbacks in this year's forty are deaths at the combines, but he doesn't create his own space inside the pocket. He's slow in terms of reading coverages and making decisions. And then finally, he's a great guy. He's very intelligent. But what what all those guys have in common common. Roth. Burger Brady so on and so forth there assassins, and I don't think he has that mentality. I think they're going to be very disappointed with that number six overall pick. When we look down the road three or four years from now. All right. Thanks too much time mcshea joining us here on get up. And we've got plenty more to come from Nashville coming up. What do the is? Right. Twitted Williams have in common more than you might think. We'll show you that next and NFL quarterback needs to be many things predictable. Not one of we'll show you Daniel Jones needs to break that habit to sixteen data to the draft is coming your way. From Nashville, this stage, be many great prospects. Picks later on. Welcome back to get up. Presented by Nissan. And you don't quitting Williams went to the jets at three last night, and candidly, we all should have known. It was coming because plink. Oh, always knows. Did you see this couldn't Williams played plink? Oh from the prices, right? And there it goes in there. It goes into came up. Right. Don't those things always work out that way, we all should have known. He would wind up going number three to the New York Jets. We have a terrific half hour coming your way here on get up. Live from Nashville after day one of the draft. Did the giants make a huge mistake? In new voice will join the conversation. Ryan Clark is here. And what is next for Josh Rosen now that the cardinals had drafted his replacement will answer that question. More from Nashville, you're watching on ESPN, and I tell you what Jon Gruden had an interesting night. That's what that made me. Think of. We'll be right back. I can't believe it. Let Philip brought his little brother on our mission into orbit. How long until it got their alarm police get there. I'll learn to get there. No. I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with gyco. What's this button? Do what's this button? Do what's this button? Do what's? Believe at Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. You are watching get up presented by Nissan. We'll pick it six before back with the six fix the New York. Giants select. Daniel Jones quarterback too. Went with Wayne has, but we'll see here. We're back in Nashville dinner lost ER quarterback here. And like I said before I really hope Daniel Jones just proves all of us wrong. And he's great. But a lot of people are trying to figure out exactly who this quarterback is. You're here to show us with the tape in the good is he's he's a lot like Alex Smith. And what I mean by that is he's gonna have good intimation. He's going to be able to throw guys open this is against temple independent school and so down here. They've got these kind of to hook routes crew routes inside out and your a quarterback you're gonna read this number one inside guy number two outside guide. Really your read is going to be this defender right here in again. Daniel Jones is good in this world. This intermediate passing game of anticipation if thrown guys open, so as I show you Daniel Jones bowl is out of his hand ready. But this defender for temple is doing a nice job. He's kind of playing in between that number one that number to read will Daniel Jones doesn't really good job here of throwing this ball out that. Wait from this defender of today's receiver to not allow that defender to undercut that route. You gotta throw is open. So good intimidation. And the ability to throw guys away from the defenders. That's what he does. Well, they go back. Okay. That's what he does. Well, now something that he does struggle with that he needs to figure out his he conditioned A plus B equals C against temple and temples plan covered three meaning this corners playing cover three. He's bailing out of there. In the past concept is he's got a hitch route right near in seen route right there and quarterbacks. Go a you're playing covers three plus b I've got a hitch drought, easy completion. Now. What can you don't Joan struggles with this one eight plus beat doesn't happen? And what I mean by that. Is this look at this corner. It's staring right at Ganyu Jones that hitch now that hits that I drew nilly isn't a good situation because that guy driving on the throw but eight plus beat tells me, I should have thrown that hit tro. He's going to have a little bit of panic. And he's going to now try throw this seam up here. It's going to be a bad situation because of that painting because he was -ticipant ding. You played cover three that hitch route should be an easy through corners not supposed to be able to drive there on that short little throw, and he gets into those panics he's so conditioned to know that if you're giving me this this should be the answer that when it doesn't happen that way he gets into panic boat. And that's a big issue because when you have those those issues in college defensive corneas in NFL will figure out how to pick that apart. Yeah. And for those who say, why would you choose temples defense symbols defense, actually, quite good and rocky San one of the corners that you showed there probably will be chosen today. We do have a new voice on the Daniel Jones situation at the set with greeny. Ryan Clark turned away. Yeah. And here's the thing. I understand that. Temple has a pretty good defense. I just wanna make my case quickly again before you go on for Wayne Haskins. Michigan two guys on defense picked in the top twelve last night and Wayne Haskins threw six touchdowns against them. So with no disrespect. To temple. I'm not exactly sure that the. At the time. Everytime. You say no disrespect. It's a little bit of this. Listen, I just cannot believe when Haskins fella worry fell. But let's let's let's let's let's stay with Daniel Jones for minute here. The whole world was stunned where you have -solutely. You know, when you look at the way the draft was supposed to fall out. And we heard that Daniel Jones had moved up the board for the New York Giants. Dave gettleman. But we've all felt like you didn't have to get him at six if he was your guy, wait it out and see if he's there at seventeen because looking at the film and evaluating Daniel, he's not a guy. He's not a guy taking the top sin. It is about getting value for your peak. And even if you feel like he's your quarterback of the future. If you can get him at a different time a hit one of those pass rushers get one of those pieces of play early. You do it. Here's the thing meets if someone had traded up and taking Dwayne Haskins in front of the giant maybe traded up to three where everyone knew the jets were looking to trade back, then I can see him thinking better get my man right now. There's no it's gonna fall this way. But in the end it appears Josh Rosen. They can't find a place to send him through lock didn't even get drafted last night and Haskins ones. Falling all the way to fifteen. So it comes out looking just terrible. I say this one good thing about they've got ta scares got anyone he knew the whole country thought it was stupid any winning got him. And he's in a year or so we're going to look back on instance, by Dave former general manager of the New York Giants or Dave Gettleman made one of the smartest decisions in the history of football out. All now that that's right. If he's your guy, and you feel like you have to take him if he wants to being a great player. No one will remember. Anyway, what happened last night? Okay. Let me go to something because that happens at six and it makes everyone completely forget that two picks earlier. Right. We were all saying what did the raiders just do? What did you make this to me? That's even more mind boggling look at Cleland pharaoh. He was the guy who play well who's the ACC player of the year. He was also playing with Desta Lawrence and Wilkins. So. Yeah. Guys on inside that were forcing things out. He was a late first round pick for me. And a guy who would have been a great value there when you have a guy like Josh Allen. The board resigned. Gary all of these other rushes you think that Mike Mayock and Jon Gruden would go there, obviously, they didn't evaluation. They felt he best for gutters defensive defense coronate. And if you're going to go with that and make that pick he better show up because this was an important draft for Mike may opt to Oakland Raiders in. They say a pass Russia's don't grow on trees where they had guys there for you to get and you made a choice to go feral. He was great against big time talent. But he seemed like a safe pig, and that's not the type of guy that you want at that spot. You want a guy who's not going to have a lower Sealy? What got it's going to blow everyone out of the water NFL like that was the theme for them throughout. They went with safe picks. They missed on better players thought they reached on on justic and listen conventional wisdom is not always right, right? But I didn't hear his name anywhere. I didn't hear anyone talking about him as a pick hookah go conceivably this high one more thing I want you to weigh in on the guy. Who's obviously longtime veteran of NFL locker rooms and really successful ones. There was a bit of a debate. Here this morning neekam, Dan or Laskey got into it. I had Rex Ryan way. And I'll ask you. If the Arizona Cardinals cannot find real value in a trade for Josh Rosen is it feasible that they could go into a season with both of those quarterbacks. Do not that do not Josh their other guys you can say you can go into the season. And now you have two very highly rated quarterbacks coming out of college that are on your roster for cliff Kingsbury. But if you look at Josh Rosen it reminds me of Joe flacco last year when you get Lamar Jackson, even though Joe was older. He wasn't in the mentor space. Daas Rosen isn't ready to be mid or he's going to be a guy that's going to make it known each and every day that he wants to be the starting quarterback of the Arizona Cardinals. And that's not the type of discourse you wanting to quarterback room. I don't see a problem there. And I'm not gonna yell and scream like I did earlier. I'm just going to give you the same chance that I've given everyone else that no one's been able to successfully do this. Explain to me why it's not gonna work not just because two guys and a lot just gonna happen. Well, why can't they compete? Why can't quarterback compete for Joe quarterback quarterbacks and absolute can absolutely compete? But that position is. Different that position isn't about. Okay. If I don't have a guy, right? Usually when you have two quarterbacks you have none. So if you cliff Kingsbury going into the year, you have you identified your guide that day, you got the job. That's the dude you want to get there is no competition there. Now, if you feel like Collor Murray need some time to come along you go bringing reach quarterback if you have Josh Rosen there, and you have a competition and Josh Rosen becomes the quarterback. There is no moving on from Astros in the next year if he plays. Well, he does that's not how it works right now. But you can't be finally if you're Kingsbury and you're Steve found a quarterback. But the point is this what you've also worst wasted a first overall pick. You you already one way or another you waste the first very has. These time has a team. Okay. You could yell at me camps up for you. Anyway. Yes. So well to keep that bed. Analysts entity. He got to fame. So what I'm just saying in? This is still you still have an answer the question. I have no answer the question. No one's explained to me. Why it doesn't work? You bring a guy you say that. So this day one and camp, I think that Kyle is best quarterback. We're going to give him the chance to win this job. Josh Rosen becomes the better quarterback. You sin Cuyler Murray packet you've already wasted. I don't understand why they can't compete day special. They football players. They got a they want a special though. You know, why they special because they get a hundred forty million. Now, don't nobody else that they are special. They are different which is which is why drastically higher it. Even if they have the same rate as a d. Do you want a guy who is so fragile that he's going to break down because there's another guy in the room? Who is pretty good no earned the respect of your locker by winning bed job. I don't care if the guy's fragile I care if my team is fragile. Just like every other position they're going to get behind the fest player who wins the job. That's not true. True. I. Stupid Elaine run where people got behind the worst player yet. Earned. That. It'd be back in just to make continue. Arguing one is waiting to be drafted to be traded will bring for lock and Rosen. We'll make art predictions. As we go and continue from this place Nashville center of the football world. The ready. Hey, if you missed anything from our time in national get up when it fits your schedule. Download and subscribe to the podcast on the ESPN app. It's also on apple podcasts. Choose wisely is brought to you by Disney's Aladdin of teams and opportunity that shoes wisely today day two of the draft. Plenty of intrigue Missouri quarterback drew lock still available after spitting me entire night in the green room. He was joined there by ole miss whiteout, decay Metcalf. Oklahoma's marquees Brown in Arizona state's kill Harry. They were the only wide receivers drafted in the first rows lots of skill players. Still on the board another player being discussed. Of course cardinals quarterback. Josh Rosen GM Steve kind received trade calls for Rosen. But said none were meaningful enough for Iryna to consider because of the depth a heat provides. See what happens there are NFL draft coverage continues tonight right here on ESPN ABC at seven eastern with the second and third rounds? ESPN coverage shifts ESPN two at eight eastern. You can always watch it on ESPN Burton streaming live on the ESPN app or listen to it on ESPN radio from anywhere breeding. Yeah. So Steve is gonna be the center of this conversation as well indirectly. Because when you make sort of mistakes at the cardinals obviously made last year that general manager doesn't usually get a chance at a mulligan. But now he does with the new coach and they take collar Mary number one overall. But SWEB you how confident are we that Keiler Murray will be a success on this level. There's fairly some confidence. But for me, I just go with the history of what the NFL has told me and at this point. That's all we can go back a guy of columnist at your would a brand new coach coming in has not had success in the NFL. And that's really what it boils down to now with that being said, we have a direct correlation with the Rams when Fisher was there in golf was everybody was ready to singer golf into the bist and some vague comes in and Jere goff's looks formidable and looks like a really good quarterback. So cliff Kingsbury can bring that out of calorie in the league somehow changes like everybody's talking about. Well, I don't think it's the change. What bit because Sony? Michelle was still toting a rock in the play offs. At Tom Brady was still being quote, unquote statue in the pocket throwing the ball downfield of gronkowski to not only win the championship in the AFC. But also win the Super Bowl, then then I'm role, but until until column array cliff Kingsbury, Steve Bannon, Arizona Cardinals proved that I think they'll have I think they'll be looking for another quarter. I'm with Marcus when he looks at this. Because there really hasn't been a dramatic shift. You talk about some of the small quarterback about Russell Wilson drew Brees people points. You look at Baker Mayfield. But they're still twenty five plus guys that meet a lot of those calls the -cations in south that he can't do it. It's just I wouldn't want to be the guy that's baking my future to be the first guy. I'd rather go with the surefire guy that checks all about right? Absolutely. You rather go with that guy? But if you look at the history of the draft in the guys of that stature, obviously, collars, the smallest guys of that stature that have gotten a chance they have gone early. They've gone early because they were special drew Brees was special. That's why he wouldn't second round. That's why he's played the whole century and broken all these records. Baker Mayfield was special. Even Russell Wilson was special. That does not Donnie Menzel was that's Cleveland. Right. Tim couch was special special. They drafted him. He was terrible. So what I'm saying is a lot of the guys that have. Got an opportunity that have been evaluated that high that our smallest have played. Well, and so I think column or has that same opportunity in the game has changed not necessarily in a hate. When people bring up the patriots with anything, right? Had this discussion because they're in anomaly team to win to go to nine Super Bowl in eighteen years. You are different and they're gonna have a statue. And they're gonna they also have Bill Bill here. Let's give opportunity to what I don't want people to get misconstrue column talent warrants a number one. I'm maybe I hadn't said that expressed that throughout this whole process when you look at what he had the ability to do on the football field. You looked at guy says that warrants a number one pick. But I always begged people this question, why didn't it warrant Lamar Jackson the number one. And why they warn those guys that we quote, unquote, call special this type of hype cliff Kingsbury, the new wave NFL is the reason column was the number one pick. Now, they have to go prove. That they're formula can work when it hadn't happened before his the National Football League about to start looking a lot more like the big twelve I suppose, we're about to find that out in relatively short order. Aren't we Super Bowl? Let's go there. Marcus. I'm going to start with you out of all the things that happened last night. What was your most interesting or favorite storyline? My favorite storyline. Was simmons. Not only is the story of redemption is a story of a guy that would have been a top five pig ACLU's when you talk about adversity Jeffrey Simmons had a terrible situation going into Mississippi State. Yes, he changed the narrative, and I think we need to give this big credit for doing. So he went to Mississippi State. He attacked and on what he did and took full responsibility for and if you talked to anybody installed Bill, they'll tell you what type of guy he is father your favorite narrative. The biggest one for me is Devon Bush to linebacker out of Michigan. When you talk about the Pittsburgh Steelers. You talk about blitzburgh RC knows what I'm talking about. This tight tight race between him and Devon white. He's a nominal talent. On the best guys in coverage in college football, top-five combine across the board terrific instincts. He is going to be a game changer. He wasn't the university of Michigan. I love everything about this guy. Chase guys down to make place all over the fee. Traded up to get him. Ryan what was yours last night? They cattleman is a real light Jeep. I don't care what Mel kiper sin. Todd mcshay, Adam Schefter, all y'all could make whatever you want. I am sticking to my board and my good when I get fired because he will get fire my way, he is. Nicklaus party. But we mad name. He's gonna have a great life as the GM. The New York Giants how I follow that. That's outstanding. I'll just tell you this for the third time in five years the best player in the draft just fell to the New York, always knew hair translate. But it happened four years ago, Leonard Williams just fell to the jets three years ago from all Adams just fell to the jets and last night, Quinton Williams who all anyone said was well, he's actually the best player in this draft. Other guys may go in front of him. But this guy's the best player in the draft. Third time in five years that guy winds up on the jets you do that enough times. You better have a really good defense. That's my favorite story line. We have some more Laura over to you. Greenie J E T N. It's our story lines start with Dan, listen, my Detroit lines. They got the best non quarterback ofensive player in this draft TJ Hopkinson vertical threat that can go down the field for Matt Stafford guy that can make place for them in the red zone. He's your traditional tight end where you want him to be a blocker in your run game. He's great. He can cross the yield to get past passing section again a dominant player down in the red zone. A big body target for quarterback. He's the best non quarterback augments player in this first round. Yeah. I'm gonna disagree with you there. I think that the best non quarterback. Marquees Hollywood Brown. And I think it's because we're gonna find out if the Lamar Jackson experiment in Baltimore is gonna work. And this guy is going to help them figure that out teams are going to stack the box play man coverage the stop Lamar from running. The Mark doesn't have the accuracy necessarily to pick a team apart. But a guy like Markey's Brown is going to be able to make them hit the big shots. It make this make pay for over committing. Lamar Jack disagree with both favorite story line is the best offenses player in this draft in the kill Harry, the wide receiver taken thirty second overall to the patriots means they really really like him, and they really need it at of course, trying to fill the void of rob gronkowski, Harry is so versatile. He was targeted eighteen times with a deep ball twenty nine times in this blot. And he can also run the ball even had him rush it in that Herm Edwards off it. So I I actually think that was a huge pickup. And I think we'll see him be a weapon for Tom Brady quite early gone like some dropkick Murphys shipping up to Boston off that background with that. And to kill Harry, pick of that. Let's go. Oh god. Doc with the Boston accent? We're going to carry on tonight warriors, clippers don't miss Wisconsin. At feld he'll have all the post game coverage from big game, of course. And plus ten Legler previewing Sixers. Raptors crew in Nashville greets the second round of the NFL draft sportscenter with s VP it's after game stick on ESPN and ESPN ESPN app. And also get up with us on Monday. We'll have the biggest winners and losers from the NFL draft. But what it needs to do to get past the Celtics and recaps from games one and two of rappers seventy sixes you don't wanna miss a get up Monday at eight AM eastern. We'll be back in Nashville in just a bit. Broadway is certain to get hop in music city ready to go draft. The time. Get up is presented by Nissan from your partner of the Heisman Trophy and farts by Liberty Mutual insurance. Only pay who what you need. With the six. Twain has gotta take the two thousand nineteen NFL draft. Dave Gettleman has said he's not gonna be forced into a pick the New York Giants selected Daniel Joan. At no point that I feel like I was watching the number six pick in the NFL draft. ESPN rated Daniel Jones as a zero star recruits. Internally. So we will finish it this morning where it began Dan Orlovsky final thoughts on Daniel Jones going six to the giants. This more on the giants. And it is Daniel Jones. I've said this. It's just like free agency. When teams get in trouble. Not by paying great quarterbacks. They pay good quarterbacks. Great money. The giants have taken a good college quarterback who's never been more than good. And now expect him to be great. So it's on the giants trying to figure out somehow because I have no history of college quarterback being just good just saw in somehow becoming great when he strapped early on. Well, number one, you're the New York market, and we've already seen they've got him and try to protect this kid before he's even at the facility is just it's it's the Jek thing for me to seed a response from the general manager and the head coach talk about a quarterback that you took number six, and there is no excitement in the room. I don't remember ever seeing that happen. I agree. And I was fascinated by the fact that Adam Schefter reported that he had heard from the giants that Daniel Jones, drew lock one in one a on their boards, the ended up going with Daniel Jones. But drew lock doesn't even get drafted in the first round, you stay that. Just really makes you think about what their scouting department could be doing. They're asking me to ask you to make the face that you made the moment that pick was taken. Yeah. Here nationals the first time we've taken the show on the road and a great amount of fun. Better than ever same time. Same place on Monday. In the meantime, the coverage continues. I ache starts now.

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Dwayne Haskins to be a Giant - Rosen on borrowed time - Antonio Brown overvalues himself

The Stinkin' Truth with Mark Schlereth

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Dwayne Haskins to be a Giant - Rosen on borrowed time - Antonio Brown overvalues himself

"The stink in truth podcast is presented by core. Water. He spent twelve years in the NFL you can't trust a guy that gyrates his hips after he scores has three Super Bowl rings made multiple Pro Bowl appearance is over sixteen years of broadcasting between ESPN and Fox Sports. That's why I'm the greatest football player and best sports analysts. Have he's a soap opera star pretty. It's pretty. Has a reoccurring role on HBO ballers. Had some sub. Let's get out here and makes one hell of a bowl of green chili. It's marched flare it, and this is the stink in truth podcast. Hey, we'll the truth podcast Marsh, Lert longside, Mike Gavin, Scott the hub producing the show. Like, the big are presenting sponsor great folks over at core. Water the big blue cap crisp clean taste award winning days. You can find anywhere water sold like your seven eleven stores. I'm telling you what. Love core water, perfectly balanced to match your body's natural ph level of seven point four. That's science people. What does it mean? Who knows? But it's like magic when you drink this water. It's like magic water trust me on this one. I mean, it I drink it all the time. Absolutely love it. That's core. Find out more at hydrate with core dot com. Mike, how are you buddy? Well, I'm I'm feeling the wrath of Dwayne Haskins fans are United similar to what you had to deal with last year with Baker Mayfield. I know that it's similar because field like Dwayne Haskins hasn't gone after you like Baker Mayfield went directly after me on Twitter, and which even incited his, you know, his phantom even more. So yeah, I don't know that you're you're dealing with exactly what what I dealt with. But I get what you're saying. It's because I refuse to anoint him as the next Patrick Mahomes. People are all upset that if you pass onto Wayne Haskins, you're passing on the next Patrick Mahomes, but stink here. Here's the thing. With the benefit of hindsight. This is this is where we were wrong about Mahomes. We should have seen this coming the moment that Andy Reid moved up to get Patrick Mahomes. Andy Reid had a frame of reference to go by he coached Brett farve. He saw Brett farve. He knew the qualities that made Brett farve special. And he saw a lot of those things. So same. Rates in Patrick Mahomes, which led him to go after Patrick Mahomes. Tell me where where the frame of references Duane Haskins. And we're. Are you could see going out targeting Dwayne Haskins with the idea that he reminds me of fill in the blank film. Blink korbut. I know that he's got great arm talent. I understand that one of the things that that can see it's just so hard like the film concerns meal. How state because let's face it, even when they played against Michigan. Right. That's the their main competitor. Right. Isn't it? You look them in their conference Michigan and Ohio State like the overall talent level of Ohio State versus the talent level of Michigan. Sorry Michigan fan. It wasn't even close the athletes on the field for Ohio State versus the athletes on the field for Michigan. Not even close from a speed Neth lettuce standpoint wasn't close. Mike flat out wasn't close. And so I always have a tough time with that. Now, the giants seemed to be the front runners for Wayne Haskins and understand Dave Gettleman, their general managers already come out and talked about the fact that you're going to have kind of a Mahomes mentor ship in New York like you did in Kansas City, and I talked to matinee did Chicago game earlier this season and talk to Matt Nagy about Patrick Mahomes, the MVP of the National Football League. And he said the development of Patrick Mahomes was. Was exponentially greater because of the presence of Alex Smith. Alex Smith did a fun nominal job. You can't undervalue the job that Alex Smith did taking him under his wing, and it wasn't just answering questions. It was saying, hey, come watch this with me look at this. This is what I think about in red zone this one. I think about this. You know, he really did a good job of of mentoring homes, even though Mahomes, he knew MOS gonna take his job. Eventually. That's the kind of guy that Alex Smith is both Alex Smith and Eli manning are incredibly intelligent, right? They're both like high Wunderlich guys and high character guys will manning have the same developmental process that Alex Smith had will he take him under the wing like he did. And then the other thing is does Dwayne Haskins have the same capacity to learn in that position. Like, we don't know those those things you never know until. You're in that situation. Do you like do you aspire to be great? Do you aspire to learn to you a spy everybody learns a little differently? So obviously, it's not going to be the same. But they want to create that atmosphere in that kind of that kind of mentor ship program that they saw work so effectively with Patrick Mahomes, you understand the key differences there, though, sure can't say it was a playoff team. Yes. With offense of talent. I mean, they just I mean, they took a dump an offense of talent was clamoring for then rally, Mahomes, always comes back to dumps view, doesn't it does. You know, look at this. How fast is it? Four to six. To roll the four to six but with the giants. You understand the impatience that exist there among the fan base? Among the media lock trying to convince everybody there that hey, you know, we know you've worked for a decade and a half. And you're probably just about over the whole Eli manning experience. But let's give it one more year. While this guy that we pick sixth overall sits in learns for year. Good luck. Yeah. No idea that your present. Right. And usually there's a lot of teams that say it's really hard to do if you're if you're making your plow push like Kansas City was much easier to wait and mentor kid than it is when all of a sudden you look up and your two and four and it was like a the future's now play the kid. Even if he's not ready and a lot of people. Succumb to that kind of pressure. Now, Dave Gettleman on old school guy. But you know, you know, you, and I've had this conversation. It's one thing to be an old school guy in Carolina. Right. It's the Carolinas. You sing sweet Caroline all the time. It's wonderful. It's easy going. You have sweet tea sweet, tea and Crump. It's right. This is not sweet tea territory is this this is, you know, this is uncertainty. It's bitter people are angry can't get sweet tea you go to the restaurant. Your T is coming out. Unsweetened people are angry about it. South people are excited about teach. Right, right. That's right. You have to order unsweetened tea when you go to the south have you ever done that? I can't stand unsweetened tea. See I grew up. I grew up. Remember, remember the Lipton tea though? Yeah. Okay. And I used to like, so I'd take like a glass, and I take one of those, you know, you just get the powder. Geek. So. And I had put so much in their that'd be thick. And I drink it. And then there's still be like that gooey syrupy powder at the bottom back and ideas sugar just yoga sugar just sugar tea. Yeah. So good. You know, where the delineating line between the south and the north is. I learned this drive the Mason Dixon line. No. No. No. No. No. No, no. I mean, I understand that. But this is how you know when you entered the south. When you go to a restaurant, you order tea, and it comes sweet, that's the self and that line on the east coast. Now, I've driven this before is Richmond Virginia. Really when you hit Richmond Virginia, the t come south north of Richmond Virginia. It's still unsweetened. That is the true T Mason Dixon line. That is Gina nip. Okay. Richmond virginia. Boom, you're in the south. And that goes all the way down through Georgia. Tell you it Florida in Florida is the north of the south, correct? Right. I'll snowbirds right. That's when the tea comes unsweetened once again. So what have we learned? I have no idea. I got onto sweet teams versus nonsense, although I will say this I'll rescue you here in a moment. I don't know if you watched any of the underpants Olympics that is the combine lot of impressive speed numbers. Yeah. A lot of guys run a really fast forties. A lot of guys doing a lot of reps on the bench press test. And I thought how good of an indicator is speed and bench press. Like, you're the number one speed guy. You got to be a great football player. Right. Or if you're the number one bench press guy you to be a great great football player. Right. Let me just give you the top. This is the top in the last what this goes all the way back. This one goes back to two thousand and eight. So this is over a decade of times. Okay here. The names you ready John Ross that guy hasn't put a squirt of piss in the bucket yet. Chris Johnson good player dri Archer. Marquees Goodwin Jacoby Ford. Jalen, Merrick JJ, Nelson DeMarcus Van Dyke. Those are the top forty thousand four two to four two four four to six four two seven four two eight four two eight four two eight four to eight. How many of those guys have been just like superstars Pro Bowl players. Chris Johnson one those were the top forty times ever recorded in the last decade. Plus, but does and I know you want to get to the bench press in a second. But let me just jump in. But to me to me if a receiver or running back. You know, runs a big forty I don't necessarily go crazy about. But when I saw some of those forty times for the linebackers, and I saw Devon white from LSU and the and the Bush kid from Michigan running those really fast forties, doesn't that get your attention more? So because if the idea is to have a three down linebacker doesn't lead the field can cover sideline to sideline. Sure can run with tight ends now. Now, the speed really does matter. Yeah. 'cause they've already established themselves at football players. Whereas some of those other guys you mentioned might just be track stars that were trying to impersonate football players. But these these backers are football players who can run which is nice, right? I mean, that's that's an important aspect of it. You just gotta match up the film with the speed. How about the bench press you ready for this? I can never say this guy's name. Steven Paige, Paige Pyo by. There's. It'd be say it really fast. That's what I do on TV sometimes at yes, right? When you have a name that you're not quite you just not very good at pronouncing. You say it really fast. Oh, my esteemed pip that guy. Right. Yes. Right. Right. D- Lyman forty nine rips two thousand eleven how about good old Mitch peaches, remember him fondly? I don't remember them. All never heard him. Forty five Plato line two thousand ten draft pick. I wonder worry is now Jeff Owens though. Jeff Owens, D tackle two thousand ten forty four. Don't own Dante repo still playing bouncing around a good player. Forty four. Russell bodine. Now, the believe with Jethro Jethro Bodine Bodine. Jethro you talking about the way he moved to Beverly swimming pools movie stars those were the those are the clip it's yeah. But they call them Jethro to their them, boating. Jeff throw I know his name was Jethro that was Jethro. Maybe that was somebody. We used to call Jethro Bodine play. Scratching Harrison Phillips good whole Harrison Phillips. Maybe he's playing I don't know take Tyler forty two reps. Delima two think tank. Tyler is doing right now tank. Tyler is just gotta be like just still ripped tank. Tyler nine sounds like a big fat guy working as a bouncer somewhere tank, Tyler let's just look up tank Tyler there is wait a minute. Oh, they're out of the league. He's out you did it. Oh my gosh. Look at the neck on tank Tyler. Mercy deal with tanks up to right now. I'm going to say eating. So your point is my point is don't get an Namur by dudes in their underpants. That's my point. You know, the one guy that's gotten all kinds of love, and and people just gone crazy for his workout was this this medcalf kit. Did you see that way? Mccafe kept me. He he like ran a four three three forty at two twenty seven plays wide receiver bench press, two twenty five twenty seven times had a forty some odd inch vertical jump and had one point six percent body fat they measured in multiple times. Because they couldn't believe his body fat was that low and then he ran the three cone drill and was slower than Tom Brady. Like you wanna talk about red flag? Like, there's a guy you just want a guy to run a nine route. He's your guy SCO date. So I mean again, but he Al Davis would draft right in first round two boy, he can run all draft him. So just be careful like that's all I'm saying is just be careful about getting unanswered with dudes in their underpants. Well, how about the Cuyler Murray weekend guiding him workout? We're we're we're looking at some of these guys who actually went out and performed performed. Well, right. Like, well, you know, don't put too much stock into that. But yet all Cuyler Murray did was get weighed all Cuyler Murray did was getting measured, and it was enough to change the narrative over the course of just a couple of days to now where it is what universally expected he will go number one overall. That isn't it crazy like do you? If that doesn't speak to the. Panic, and I'm not I'm not gonna call it any of the word, but panic mentality that exists out there when it comes to teams searching for quarterbacks the idea that. They glomming onto whatever they can to justify the idea of going after what they believe might be there. Ask you this. What does anybody go there and do that? Seriously, while like if you can move up from the middle the potential end of like the bottom to the middle of the first round to all of a sudden moving up to the first overall pick because you're five ten and not five nine like you. You you measured in it. A three quarters of inch taller than people thought you were and eight pounds heavier. You're too. Oh, seven a one ninety one. Yeah. You're to seven instead of you know, one ninety nine oh my gosh. Take that guy. I overall. Yeah. You can show up like why does it guy like Quentin Williams even show up the Alabama defensive tackle who ran by the way, like a four eight three. And like why why are you even go to the company they invite, you know, I'm good. I'm good. Why why would you go then there while you don't wanna compete? Well, why I competed all season lonely. The film dumb shit. What do I need to go? Why don't you? But there's there's just different rules for quarterbacks. I don't know. I mean, everybody's you know, Gog over Nick Bosa. He didn't he he quit during the season. I get the whole thing is I, you know, I know it's an information fest, and people are talking, and you know, and all that stuff goes on, and it's an excuse to be in Indianapolis for four days, and, you know, eat drink and be merry. I you know, whatever and ask stupid questions you see the one kid that got asked if you had to testicles what did you see that? No. Oh, yeah. One of the one of the I think some db or something from Texas, some GM or personnel guy or scout. Or whatever asked him if he had to testicles. Well, does he like you said he did? I mean, maybe what have you would have said. No, I got three blue. Oh. I'm the unicorn of testicles. That's right. Exactly draft me, and you know, that guy would run right back. Holy smokes. He's gonna three used to see the size of this guy's coin. Yeah. He's tried fall. Dudes carrying a buck sixty seven change aim Murray goes number one now. Yeah, I think so what does it say about Josh Rosen, by the way, you know, the I mean, there's a lot of people out there. Now that saying hey, Josh Rosen like this is what's crazy about the draft. You've got him for one year. Right. He probably started twelve thirteen games. Whatever it was. I was calling the game where he replaced. Sam bradford. And and and I called several of his starts. So here's a guy that went from tenth overall pick guy that said that after the draft. There are nine teams that made a mistake from tenth overall pick to guy that now is projected to be traded for a third round pick. Look, if that doesn't tell you about the inexact science of the NFL draft, and you know, you talk about and I've talked to like all the all the noise out there like when I met with him, and I met with him several times, he was you know, affable. He was intelligent. He was fun to talk to me. I really liked. I really liked him as a kid. But you know, you talk to people off the record that, you know, we'll tell you. Not a hundred percent sure, you know, like some of the things that were pre-draft issues. Whether do you really love the game or really, you know going to sink into the game, or do you really have great football. Even though you're intelligent guy. Football accurate, and that type of stuff. Those are the concerns. I don't know about you. But. Like, I get it. If if you've got a veteran established quarterback, and you can get him for a third round pick. And you're like, hey, man, we'll kick the tires on CV develops underneath this guy or whatever. But if he'll was already a guy that you didn't know he loves football. And all of a sudden he's not getting an opportunity to play. Does it humble him to the point where he's like I'm gonna prove everybody wrong or does. He like, I got paid. And you know, I come from a family of doctors. And yeah, it's all good. Like, there's there's really two is this. But you so this is solely in your mind. Case of all it took was the cardinals one year to understand that this isn't the guy in that. They made a mistake or is it? Hey. You know, we we we admitted we made a mistake with Steve Wilkes. We got rid of him after one year, we quickly moved towards clicks cliff. Kingsbury you always talk about how important is marked to empower your head coach. So if you're going to make a commitment to Kingsbury Shunji, let him coach his kind of quarterback in his kinda system. And if he looks at a guy like Rosen, and it doesn't really fit his air raid type system, but a guy like Cuyler Murray does then maybe more just about fit than it is. We've just totally given up on Josh Rosen. Maybe a little bit of both. But yeah, I I mean, I understand the fifth process. I mean, it's it's always interesting that the, you know, your roster Kim to be depleted. I mean, they're all lined stunk. They're tied in position stunk their wide receiver position when Larry FitzGerald near fifteen is your most amick wide receiver. You gotta issue. Right. So. So I just think from a talent standpoint, they were bereft of it and your GM, you know, hires the coach they fire him hires. Another coach empowers him, which is great. But is this an you know, I mean, I look at this like how much blame does the GM get. I mean, this would in my mind. This will be the last to raw you would think. But yeah, it's important to be in the right system. It's important to have the right people to run that system. And Josh Rosen certainly doesn't seem like a guy that's going to run the air raid system. Not to me anyhow based upon you yet concussion issues in college and injury issues in college a wash him late in the season against Atlanta's preparing for an Atlanta Falcons game. I watched him get bounced out of that game after six x by the way. He and the other thing that that I would say to you is what does it say about your quarterback when everybody feasts on him? Like during the season. I know he's a rookie. But during the season teams, like the Broncos beat down there, Zona colonels and not a very good Bronco team and blitz Tim got after him the the Atlanta Falcons just brought pressure on just about every play, Mike. It was almost like they like we used to have the saying when I played live by the blitz. Die by the blitz. We used to always say we begged them to when I was in Washington early in my career Begum to blitz us. Please blitz us because one we got receivers have been a beat one on one coverage to we're gonna protect the heck out our quarterback and three or an eight. Yup. Like come on bring the blitz. They ended the season, man. Josh rosen. They just they brought pressure every time like they're saying as defensive coordinator staff or the league in general is basically saying we don't believe your quarterback can beat us. We're not afraid of your quarterback. Now, some of that is your receivers can't beat is your tight ends can't be as but a lot of that is we don't believe your quarterback can take advantage of us. You know, put ourselves in harm's way by going one on one in that Lanna game after six sacks. And just getting like the tar beat out of him to where he was looking at tap out. And he's looking at the sideline like really, then all of a sudden Mike Clinton came in and cut them up cut the falcons up and put a drive together for a touchdown. It was it was a game. As I was breaking it down. I'm looking at Atlanta film. I really start paying a lot of attention to Josh Rosen going bay. He just doesn't look like he wants to be out there anymore. I mean, and I would want to take those hits either. I get it. I get that part of it. But there's some buyer's remorse there as much. I think there's there's a a healthy combination of we're gonna move to this direction. Clip Kingsbury we want this air raid. We wanna quarterback operate that. And we don't believe in Josh Rosen. Either. Can I give you a landing spot for Rosen and disease just make too much sense? It maybe it's so obvious that there's just no way this happens. New England's get twelve picks in this draft. Right. They have to second round picks and two third round picks. One of them is a third round pick that they got as a compensatory pick for losing Nate soldier and free agency that didn't really hurt and they got Trenton around I worked out. Well, but what about the idea that boy if there's ever a time where the patriots flush with picks could. Take a flyer guy. Like Josh Rosen. Would it make more sense to go trae? If the third round is where you can get Rosen get a guy who has a year under his belt, albeit a painful year, but at least a year under his belt versus and you still can assume his contract, which includes the fifth year on rather than drafting a quarterback design make almost too much sense. Okay. Yeah. And everything you said about Rosen talents there, but he needs to learn a lot about studying the game everything who better to learn from. You know, I remember I've talked to Troy Aikman about this. Troy Aikman during his first year. He took a beating with Dallas Cowboys Amina beating and there were they were split within that organization there were they were people that were on the Steve Walsh train. Remember that Steve Walsh at the same time. We think he's going to be a better quarterback than Troy Aikman. So it does make sense. I'll tell you where it even makes more. Sense. He passes the lack of has handsome quotient to play New England. Oh boy. Okay. Explain that. Oh, you come to New England, and you are neck and neck on the hat handsome. Like handsome off quotient with Tom Brady. You're not gonna last long. I just have this sense. That Tom Brady is not allowing people that are as handsome or more handsome than him to be a part of that organization saying about Rosen. Saying rosen. He's not gonna threaten Tom Brady when it comes to handsomeness. I'm like, okay. Give me an example. You ask why do you think Jimmy Garoppolo doesn't work there anymore? How about Danny amendola? Oh, are you starting understand? I see why do you think I'm not coaching in New England. Too, handsome, handsome, too handsome. I see you you might be onto something. It's a curse betrayed to the New England. You better be a little bit on the ugly side, real quick speaking ugly. I know this is something that you were passionate about on Twitter over the weekend and Tonio Brown saying gosh, I don't I don't need this game. I play by my rules, right? Yeah. Good luck with that. I mean, seriously, if you were representing him, or if you were part of his, you know, quote, unquote, Pawsey once you smack him upside the head and say eight one idiot quit talking like, all right? So I've made a lot of money and all my stuff is paid for great. I just know this this league was established. What are we doing one hundred year anniversary this this this upcoming season K one hundred years ago? So it was here for about ninety four years before you entered or ninety three years before you entered or whatever it is. And it'll be here a longtime after you leave like this this monster just keeps on this a wheel that keeps on turning whether you're there or whether you're not there and walk away for a while. I tell young guys this all the time. You know? I can't tell you. How many people would glad handy when you were playing? Hey, come check me out after you're done playing man. I got a job for you, got whatever. Right. I tell young players all time Lissa, man. Very few people were remember and even less will care that you played. They don't running down on kickoff or catching a ball or whatever has no transferable skills to the real world. It doesn't. And so yeah. Okay. You go to the hall of fame, and you have a gold jacket and a lot of opportunities present themselves to you. That's great. That is awesome. But your act has worn thin on most organizations and most people, and listen if you're going to just walk around being an unpolished bird for the rest of your life. Those opportunities even with a goal jacket or going to be few and far between so you know, Antonio Brown. I'm glad you don't need. Anybody and I'm glad the world operates around you and the the world clock operates on your schedule. That's awesome. That is awesome have fun being alone. You think he's got? I think he's got a case of like NBA envy because you look at what happens in the NBA. These superstars right day can. Pretty much put their agenda above their teams. And it doesn't come back to haunt them. I mean, look look at the Lakers. I mean, LeBron James clearly pining for in Tonio Davis. Anthony Davis rather. And it ruined the Lakers season it ruined the pelican season kyri Irving will he or won't he in Boston? It's ruined their season. And yet even though these guys are putting self above team. You know that there will be any number of teams with their arms out ready to welcome them different. And I think I think Antonio Brown is enough to buy that in the NFL. Yes. Because one player makes is the difference between being NBA final and not correct in the NBA. It doesn't work that way, and then fell especially with Cevers. Right. And it's you know, there's twenty two starters on a team. There's fifty three guys on a team. It's just a different animal altogether. And if you buy into that mentality where you're more important than everybody else on your team. Then you're the idiot. Could you ever see a quarterback doing that? Because if there is one position the NFL where you could theoretically do that like, let me give you an example. Russell wilson. Right. But went into the last year of his contract Seattle. Yeah. What if all of a sudden, he just could you could you see him whenever questions were asked about? Hey, Russell is this your last year, you know. So and so the fill in the blank, the giants are prepared to make a massive running, you know, and he allowed all that to fester. Could you see that happening in the NFL or these guys just wire different, especially a quarter? But I think they're I think they're wired differently. The other thing is, you know, you have the franchise tag. So even if somebody's coming out g they can slide the franchise tag only say, hey, you're not really a free agent. Right. So, you know, it just it just is one of those things where I think most players just, you know, most players just won't get into that. I I think one of the interesting things here is you see Larry FitzGerald came out, and basically Antonio Brown and shut your mouth. You don't. You don't understand how good you gotta you. Gotta hall of fame quarterback throwing the ball. Like, look what look at what? Larry FitzGerald hall of fame career, one of the gentlemen of this. I mean, one of the great guys in this league. And he's coming back for what you're sixteen or whatever you really should force himself out. I know he wouldn't do it. He won't but he should force himself out and say. You know, get to Green Bay get me to new Inc. Right. Give me a chance. Chance they would. But he did play in a Super Bowl were they lost to the Pittsburgh Steelers. And that was before Antonio Brown. Yeah. Weird. And how many brings us in Tony Brown zero. Okay. Yeah. Exactly. He played in Pittsburgh rookie year. They went and they lost the Green Bay Packers. That was his rookie year. And I don't know that he was I don't know that he was a major player his rookie. I don't believe he was though anyhow long story short. Yeah. The guy is he's completely. He's completely lost it completely overvalued himself in the market. And by the way, it's not helping his trade value. No. Because as you if what you're saying is, correct. And I believe you that the NFL's a different league, and they do place a premium on. How's this guy going to fit in? You know is he going to be part of the team? All these doing is burning bridges around the NFL people will look at him go, and do I really want a piece of that? Right. Do I really want to bring that guy, especially if you if you're like? You're close. You're close to to winning champion to wanna is that the missing ingredient is missing piece, or is that just caused strife and more close again. I like, I hate to think this way, but it's probably the human side me, which is, you know, not always a great side. But I'll be goes to a really shitty team with a really shitty quarterback and has a really shitty season. On that note. All right. They just drop the mic, right? Yeah. There you go. There you go. Hey for everybody involved. This tickets, you podcast, remind myself for Scott. Thank you for listening. You know, have a great day have a great day unless you're in Tonio, bro. The stink in truth podcast, presented by core. Water. Subscribe to the stink in truth podcasts via Spotify. I tunes Stitcher, Google, play soundcloud and plenty of other podcast platforms.

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