35 Burst results for "waco"
Rejection - How To Cope?
"Especially being a lebron and bang the waco defense scissors i would say i think we have a unique perspective or an unique ability to see all the points of us lebron's so from that angle. I've come up with this little theory that rejection can be reframed as seeing someone self exiting from your life. Wow i think this is overcomplicating things. This over complicating matters. Welcome to my brain. I understand that your theory is helping you cope with the situation and we like to find justifications to endure the pain or the rejection itself. I would like to give you just rights trade at your head. Something very important and i wish for you. Keep it for the rest of your life and beyond spread it. Just no it with every single cell in your system. So when someone's rejecting you lemme ask that. Why would you want to have anything to do with the person who apparently does not want to have anything to do with you. Why that's a great christian dicey but it doesn't really. I laugh the emotional attachment that you would have to that person in circumstances so what you're talking about jiming is asking a logical question to an emotional state which in turn helps you to change. Emotional state thoughts lead to feelings feelings. Need to behavior so When you change your thinking you will change how you feel about it and therefore you will be able to behave in a different way. Even the person who rejected you. But i am catching you in here. Because here's the thing when you tried to cope with the situation by justifying other people's behavior. It's a trap. it's not your purpose. it's not your job. It is not your life purpose to justify anyone else's feelings emotions actions spirituality. And i could go on the list. A-to-z it's not your purpose. That's one way of looking at it. That i'm justifying it but it's not about buying it for me about understanding why is happening because for me and i am quite logic based if i can understand something than i can do with much much. Easier and understanding human behavior is one of the great learning curves. I'm on right now. i appreciate that. It's it's a never ending learning curve. The problem i see with this what you're trying to achieve. I understand you correctly that you're trying to understand. Why now in order to understand their why whoever they are you would have to think like them feel like them have had the same experiences as they had an have had to give the same meaning that they gave to specific sections that they went through. So it's impossible. So why would you try to participate in mission impossible. Unless you're tom cruise. Then you can do that though. Hang on now. You're saying that empathy can't be achieved. We did not hear you say maybe you saw. I have not heard hang on. I can't let me expand because for me. Empathy is understanding why they do that. What led them to that understanding what it feels like for them to me that sympathy and that's the same thing as when i'm saying i won't understand from their point of view. Why they join that. It makes it easier for me. That's the same thing is empathy to you. Well i'm glad you clarified undefined. The word empathy for you in this particular context or in this context very important. I feel and i feel strongly that empathy not necessarily includes that i understand. Why another person's doing what they do widely do what they do. I do believe that empathy is something that i'm respecting the choices their decisions and i'm accepting them because they empathy when we are going on the emotional level. Let say i hit my foot here. Because i kicked the neighbor stock. I never would do that by. It's just an example. But let's say. I kick the neighbor stock because again it came over here and whatever chewed on my cushions on the lounger and now i hurt my foot and you may say to me. Oh i'm so sorry all. This must be really hurting. Do you really believe that you can feel exactly the way i feel about me hurting my foot including the emotional charge to it to really believe. That's possible i think it is if you've been in a similar situation implies don't believe exactly nari but i do believe that you can get to an understanding of what it's like them based on similar things happening to you. I believe you can only relate to how another person feels but you can never feel exactly how another person feels. Well not exactly. And why. I'm saying that is because even identical twins in the same situation growing up in the same household do not perceive the same situation at the same time executive same. Neither emotionally not rationally. I case let's say that given. But the actual point i think is that you mentioned it being a justification of their behavior and i don't believe that's where i'm going it's not a justification is an understanding that intern helps me understand. So that's the angle. I was coming from when i was speaking about trying to understand the reason for the rejection and why framed it to myself is self exiting was a way for me to not be so hurt and not take it personally but say from their point of view this is not right for them and their life and so they need to exit themselves. That makes it a lot less hurtful for me now. Maybe that is over complicating it. Sure i'll love you. That and i do like the fact that you've pointed out that asking you so flood questions while you're an emotional state can help change your state. So that's really clever. And i think something that is easily put into action in anybody's life. So maybe that's a great direction to go down here when we're talking about how to help how lisa's when they of feeling rejected which. I'm all about behavior. I do believe behaviors all that matters.
How Memorial Day Weekend Travel in U.S. May Be Different
"This holiday weekend. To forces are colliding. The human desire to out travel and enjoy the kick off to summer and mother nature. Took a look at this beach from last memorial day weekend. Empty closed due to covert concerns today. Beaches across the country are reopening but many sit empty as a nasty storm system brings record coal to the east coast but americans are on the move setting a new record when it comes to air travel. We have two reports tonight and we begin with blaine alexander tonight. The nation's busiest airport once again starting to look like it. If i'm really excited it's like quite again. Atlanta's hartsfield jackson is expected to welcome one point five million passengers this weekend. What does the last time that we've seen the airport this busy christmas twenty nineteen when we saw this many people here. It's just a fraction of the full holiday rush. Thirty seven million travelers expected on the roads and the runways half. I feel good friday. Tsa processed more than one point nine million passengers a new pandemic record the agency. Now beefing up to meet the demand in this year. We've already hired over thirty one hundred officers between now and the fourth of july we expect to bring on another thousand more but in some places the weather is not ruled. Welcome to summer. Parts of texas drenched by heavy rain and storms blowing through a small airport near waco. Leaving planes tossed like toys in ohio flooded lake erie spilled into nearby neighborhoods and high waves. Close part of chicago's lakefront trail in the northeast. Parts of new york drenched and dealing with near record lows temperatures dipping into the forties of it part of a vicious weather system sweeping through the midwest and into the northeast from now through monday
Interview With Author, Dan McCrory
"Are so dan. Thank you for taking the time to come on the show and talk to us. We definitely appreciate thank you. I take an opportunity now. We definitely appreciate it. So so then your story. I mean you got many layers from unions to being a political candidates author. So let's kinda start at the beginning talk about a career in telecommunications how did that how did the split a ma bell like affect you directly and i was gonna say but some of our younger viewers and watch. Can you explain it in just what my bill was. Chair ma. bell was World for a lot of people that work for the phone company and it was the same place to work. You never have to worry about your job going to weigh. It was going to be there for life and a lot of diets. He's gonna started that way. A lot of people. There are grandmother work their their mother worked there and then they work their in in their expecting their their daughter to work there but a lot of things happen around nineteen eighties. When was mci world com was trying to get into long long distance business. Because that's where the money was done and We eight hundred block everywhere they could so finally they sued in federal court and the federal court said. Well you can either give them all this money or you can just break up the whole thing no longer a monopoly or whether they call it ought oligarchy. Company agreed to that. and in the meantime. Nci went belly up. They're no longer around enjoying the spoils of their Lawsuit so it was a scary time. We were used to having to gloves and compete in the open market and A lot of companies went by the wayside more were gobbled up by seven companies are created in the wake of the waco. Rageh up there we go sorry. And so let's created all new world and eventually sbc on texas of mine everybody else out and They changed their name day g again because everybody knew that
How Baylor Upset Gonzaga
"Deep in the heart of Texas after the regular bears broke the hearts of basketball fans across the Northwest. Is ABC. TJ Holmes. The Baylor Bears champions and spoilers, ruining Gonzaga's hopes of a historic undefeated season and in blowout fashion, dominating the Bulldogs from start to finish. The Baylor Bears the national champions and winning their first title in school history is really like a family like After 30 days in the bubble, we ate together watched movies together. We did everything together, and that's just a really cool thing. I remember that probably more than win the championship. Baylor guard Jared Butler was named most outstanding player after his 22 point performance that included 43 pointers and leading Baylor's beat down of the bulldog. Gonzaga. Enter the championship matchup Undefeated 31. Oh, but was in trouble right out of the gate, going down nine to nothing in the opening minutes with After surviving last rounds late game thriller, Gonzaga was hoping for more magic and a comeback. It's really really tough wand. And storybook season on and obviously we're all disappointed in here. But, you know, as I told the guys like you make it this far in your 31. I know going into the last one. There's absolutely nothing you should ever feel bad about. But Jalen subs in the Bulldogs never recovered from Baylor's devastating opening blow. The city of Waco deserves this Texas way. Got a national championship to the state deserves it. Guys get this the last three teams that were in the tournament undefeated and went to The final four they lost in the final four that was being held in Indianapolis.
Drone video shows bubbling lava inside Iceland's fiery volcano
"There was a volcano in iceland. That's been dormant for six thousand years that just sprang delight. This predict this was going to happen or just surprise said well. They said that they're worth think thousands of minor earthquakes prize before the small earthquakes. Yeah and then this so cool it was it was kinda given notice so look at this lava flow down the side of the mountains. Really a difference what you do. If you own a drone you take into a volcano. Wow i mean this is really an flies right over. Yeah the lava being spewed and oh right through some of the lava. I took a drove burned up. And i didn't make it. I'm not sure this one made it right. The video just stops. That's really cool and wouldn't you love to see that in person. I mean close to it. But i'd love to see this happening. Wonder how hot like how close you can actually get to. While it's like twenty five hundred degrees. You should go and see really. That's a good thing for wait. Why me why don't you go white house any this show you're the reporter we trust you. I'm the reporter with trust. No real estate let us know how close the push. Just how hot just put your hand. Dip it in their seattle waco actually sounds like with the fiery added. Run your you see what happened right absolutely something or maybe your face try your face phasing dip it into the lava really quick out. Really fast really. I can't i just use my hand now. I think your face fast. Twenty two hundred degrees. I had to run with a three hundred degrees off. Run the the calculation through celsius. Okay stupid. I mean seriously i mean come on google. Do you know where i live. You know everything about me. Why why do you have agreed. Bullcrap they're still pushing it is that's right exactly get us. Don't do a story without nope
Interview With Ibrahim Moustafa, Author Of 'Count'
"Today i am joined by ibrahim mustafa the writer and artist of graphic novel. Count which is coming out from humanoids as you're listening to this. I'm gonna try to release it. The episode right about the time that the graphic novel is officially available in stores Ever thanks so much for joining today. I really appreciate you taking the time or we're going to count as well as some of your other works before we You know in here. I wanted to talk to you about Like how how did the inspiration for this particular graphic novel. It's an interesting. I found an interesting adaptation. Because it's it's very much your own work. It's very much yours. Despite having you know it's not it's not a literal county monte cristo adaptation right like it's you doing your take your riff on that on the themes of that in the ideas in that story What was the inspiration for that. And did you want to reference that source material. Yeah well i i you know. It's i appreciate you making that distinction. Because i think it does kind of get lost in the translation of the the pr materials thus far like an adaptation so people might think well. This doesn't have anything to do with the so i. This guy's name is totally different right. Inspired by may have been like the better tagline. In retrospect but yeah. I just i'm a big fan of revenge stories. And kinda christo is kind of the granddaddy of them. All and i was just kind of in a head space. I guess thinking about different stories. I enjoy think john waco just come out. And i've loved watching that and and and then i just thought well you know. Wouldn't it be cool if this story. Which is you know in the public domain and everyone is aware of it on some level. I think culturally. What if this took place in a different setting and had action and the original novel is very soap operatic. There's not a lot of. I mean there's really i think there's a sword drawn in the whole book and it's a twelve hundred page book right so i'll just wild. Yeah you definitely expect to be more. Yeah and the two thousand two film adaptation of it with jim caviezel and guy pearce definitely added a couple of sword fights a little bit more accurate to it and action is a big thing that i enjoy in media and so i thought i would try to play to my what i feel are my strengthen and really inject some of that into the story so from there i just sat out to to start crafting a pitch document i did in between worked for higher stuff's i would kinda take some time in the evening or a weekend on the rare occasions that actually got those and Would start chipping away character designs and just kind of building it in my head and then once i was able to pitch it to humanoids and they said okay. We like this. We wanna see more before we give it a yes or no That gave me an opportunity to really. Just start kinda down. On the details of it. In really kind of hone it into what it became. Cool cool no. that makes a lot of sense You you've mentioned in. I've listened to some other years including the one you did on the humorless podcast with marc weighed in the team. There you mentioned Wishbone like the terror as a as a touch base. So those was because that's definitely was my introduction to a lot of classic literature as well. I think kind of my christos funny in that regard in that. I like you said i think everyone has familiarity with it. But the percentage of people that maybe have actually read the alexandre dumas is probably pretty low. I know in my case definitely was like it was one that i actually impact for this interview. I was like like check out the audiobook. Like listen to it on a few runs. I've never even though. I feel like another story. I've never actually experienced it. Which would geographic than i didn't have. I didn't have the burden or those expectations of you know somebody who's like. Oh it. does this do the original justice. which is freeing i think. Potentially you know it's it's interesting because there are a lot of adaptations that we don't even realize adaptations of it right Old boy is kinda count of monte cristo. Style at guys put in a prison. Eventually escapes takes event right right. It's it's been done in various mediums. I think in ways that really transform it And i and i was actually thinking about it. It would be interesting to see what would have happened if we didn't say anything about the kind of monte cristo You know and just kind of put it out there to see people. But i felt like because i was paying a mosh to a lot of it and i was really taking the broad strokes of the original. It would have been like this kind of microsoft like so. It was necessary to kind of put that out there. That's what it was
Meet The Author, Shane Wilson, Realistic Fantasy With A Sharp Edge
"To the big program as i mentioned. It's a an episode of meet the author. Shane wilson is storytelling. No matter the medium. The emphasis of his work is on the magical act of the story and how the stories we tell immortalize us and give us give voice to the abstractions of the human experience. Ladies and gentlemen please open the ears open minds and help me welcome in whoop. Waco shane wilson to the my duck pakistan. Welcome thank you so much. Thanks for being here. Now it's a pleasure so get get me hip two way our way are you are 'cause i'm not sure i know you're a southern guy. Are you giorgia I'm curly in north carolina. You know what i said. That and i don't know why i said that last night but then i was questioning myself. This is why. I asked you this at first up last night. I said it was raised in georgia. Sir right. I read your bio that you i believe born in alabama raising in georgia but i said last night on the air i said i. It's north carolina guy. And then i looked it up today and i was like no. I'm wrong. he's not where they get those carolina from now you just said it. So where did i get it from. It's not online anywhere that fact. I'm getting it actually. You might be psychic. In which case mybookie dot com is definitely a place for you but yeah i mean i feel like somewhere in the bio somewhere in all of the information out there. It probably says that. I teach college in north carolina which is true. Well i did not see. I wasn't aware of that. So you're you what are you. Teaching kalki teach english literature music. I teach composition creative writing that kind of thing very cool stuff so Tell me a little bit about yourself. How how when you kind of got the author bug. We'll start with the author stuff. Then we'll come back to the music little later on but tell me when you when you first realized the way that it should be thing Because i think i've been writing forever I i'd be hard pressed to find a moment in in my life. At least i actually remember when i wasn't writing I remember my parents buying me. An old typewriter When i was just a little kid. And i remember like i would practice spelling on it. i would ask my mom to spell for me like the the most complex words i can think of a kid it was stuff like rhinoceros right and i would ask you to spell it and then i would like pick it out and so i was practicing already getting kind of the bug and then i remember like second grade. I would write these short stories and just handwriting out. I'd put them in a one of those three prong folders and then i would draw cover and glue it on the front Like saw i was already thinking about book design and stuff even though i wasn't cognizant of that right and so yeah like from the from the jump right in has been a part of me and the through. I think the evolution is pretty similar to a lotta guys that are that are writers in that you know middle. School comes along. And now i'm writing poetry in order to hit on girls And the same kind of thing in high school. And then you get when i got into college. The academic spirit kind of squashed some of that creativity as it will do And then on the other side of college. I slowly started to chip away that published some poetry some short stories and then accidentally wrote a novel while There's a lot to respond to their. But i i'm i'm smiling because i thought i'm going to say this now even though i wanted to say this for a little bit later in the conversation but I thought when i saw romance and fantasy stuff betsy kinda stuff that either A guy who's a player trying to impress women or gate would well you know The the romance stuff is is very light. In in most of what i write every now and then i will dip a toe into that sandbox. Because i think and and i don't write traditional romance. When i do that i write stuff that kind of turns genre upside down or i try to. Because ultimately i think romance is kind of trite and empty void of a genre So when i when. I do play over there. I like to to try to get in. Turn it in on itself. A little bit But for the most part the fantasy stuff is it comes from The my academic focus. When i was at school. I studied a ton of magical realism. I had a professor who is very into that genre and sir My master's thesis was on salman rushdie and midnight's children And all that stuff so yeah so like i was reading a ton of magical realism. And so i don't write. What would be considered hard. Fantasy like tolkien. And those guys right fantasy this grounded in our reality but there are magical elements at play.
Texas electric cooperative files for bankruptcy after massive storm
"The oldest and biggest electric power co op in Texas is declaring bankruptcy because of a massive bill from the States grid Operator Process. Electric Power Cooperative, based in Waco, filed for bankruptcy protection after getting a bill for $1.8 billion from ERCOT. Brazos is one of dozens of electricity providers facing huge charges from last month's brutal cold snap. Or got pushed up spot market rates for power and piled on service fees that were 500 times. The usual
Boomer and the Millennial February Special - burst 01
"So we we. We need to get started before our neighbors waco away said we will be providing the soundtrack. Oh yeah for for our show they go. It's been interesting. I wonder if they're going somewhere. Probably they're young church their young and in love. You're probably going somewhere. Church may have enough. Maybe a little late for them. What better what better place to go. It is sunday. Look i'm just saying you live with with to opie we got cynicism all right exactly. I don't have a boomer. Father whatever generation you are was the one. After boomer i don't know gen-x the thing is genetic after boomer at the generation that came after them Well you know some say oh. You mean the generation after the boomers genetics boomer. Yeah nobody prehistoric. Nobody cares about that though. Talk about it being the the greatest generation ever really what happened during that generation World war two. You know they came back and what about the great depression that was probably part only front country back so we're going to corona right now dan. we're trump. Yeah so you know. I mean we go through i last we. We might be we greatest know we get out of this you know. I don't know the greatest generation given all the stuff that we've gone through at least it's still going through. that's true. welcome back as banter or done with the banter back guys. Another episode of boomer and lineal episode boomer and the millennial date do i'm ready to boomer marmande millennial and Thank you for joining us once again episode. Who knows ten me. I think it's ten or eleven can never keep up but we are coming up when anniversary. This is facts Next one because we march de during the morning dean bidding of the pandemic. Well it's a special day. Yeah it is. Valentine's day happy valentine's day thanks. Valentine's day youtube. Sorry to record valentine's day on what's going on. I just had so many plans with. Yeah yeah it's also black history month but you know you spending valentine's day with your parents so that's a good thing. Yeah i mean it's totally cool people. You love yeah. Valentine's day is not just about significant. Others you know what i mean this is. This is the first time that. I've been single on valentine's day in quite some time. Though i will say that and i just you know that's a hick so yeah you didn't know what you mean your granddaddy used to see how used to break up with his girlfriend right before christmas. Did he make up like after new years. Have the new right then. They have like this huge argument. Like the end of january beginning of february and then on the fifteenth sixteenth like. Oh hey i'm sorry. I misunderstood you on valentine's day. I think we should work this out. He's getting even have to do anything. I know it's kind of genius. Yeah that is so i. He was such a cazenove. He did have one problem though. He didn't know that he thought you call. You know when you were serious about somebody dating you know a friend. Yeah he would call him his fiancee. How do you make that how you make. That was state. There's a big worse as a big day. That's a big difference and you can imagine you know the young lady was like. Oh my goodness is got big fiance. Yeah he was like. Oh yeah i guess because he got that kind of response you know. He was like cool to christmas. Yeah right you can't be my fiance. When i thought we getting married. I guess we're gonna hit him that that's what it meant. Yeah he was like. Yeah we gotta we gotta dial that back a little bit care but anyway it's it's it's it's i don't know also saints sentence. Please please say sentence. So you modernize your mom. And i had this thing about. We would just you know if you really. If you celebrated a holiday holiday. But valentine's day on fifteenth you'd be good to go man could get flowers candy and a card for about fifteen thirteen bucks. Yeah sometimes not bad. Yeah so. I guess i'll be telling your mom have you tomorrow. Right right yeah. It's it's valentine's day somewhere in the world right exactly so you learning a lot from the boomer here. Yeah i see i mean. Apparently apparently i. Yeah so i'm single. And i have no valentine but that's okay You know life goes on. Yeah you got to do two things one. You got some very good advice okay. No good advice but in the second thing is you have a new tattoo. Yeah why did you disagree. Grace kings just love. You love vaguely talking about my life. Before i can even get to it like suppose. I didn't want to tell people oops now. It's not even that. I think yes. I did get a new tattoo. I'm a few days ago. Here's my thing though. My thing is. I don't really like i don't really like just flaunting it like i won't. I won't like post about them on social media and stuff. I have a lot of friends who do that. They'll get a new tattoo. Tattoo them and like. Oh look my tattoo that i don't post about. I'm guarantee you a lot of people. Don't even know how many i have or have seen all of them. I'm just saying. I mean it must bother you too much giving you ever almost asleep. Yeah almost we're almost done but yeah this won't hurt. I'm not gonna lie was pretty bad. Well it looks nice. Thanks no derm is yeah you got to take it off. Saran wrap wound healing it. I guess it's doing everything done safely. Yeah everything yeah i mean. They're super kobe. Friendly like in kinney was wearing a mask face shield. Okay yeah like well. this is not your first one. Yeah yeah this is actually my fourth one. But i got nam sorry. This is actually my during kobe. Kobe because i got four kind of all one two three four all at the same time and then this one but yeah so. This was kind of like my valentine's day gift to myself. I guess you could say. I've been working madman. This week drained me. Yeah i mean you've been really doing a lot you getting up early. Yeah coming in late thursday. I got up at four thirty. Got home at four thirty in the morning. Yeah that was tough.
No. 2 Baylor returns with 77-72 win to stay undefeated
"This year Teague sank a layup with two and a half minutes remaining to spark number two Baylor to a seventy seven seventy two triumph over Iowa state at Waco Adam Flagler had a season high twenty two points to lead the bears for twelve is a vicious when I say vicious a conference that we knew that I was state is never gonna back down so we wanted to just come out there and rally back and it was exciting and sailors eighteen and for the first time in school history after winning its first game since February second Iowa state jumped out to a fifteen for lead in less than six and a half minutes on a jumper by Trey Jackson the cyclones biggest lead was thirty to fifteen with Tyler Harris made its fourth three pointer of the game with six twenty four left in the first half I'm Dave very
Extreme cold continues in Dallas and surrounds
"Four million homes and businesses in Texas are without power this morning amid bitter cold temperatures and a state of emergency. The current temperature and Fort Worth and Waco is one degree above zero. It's three degrees in Dallas Bills able with member station K E R Rain says rolling blackouts are continuing for hours at a time as a result of power shortages
Texas Governor Abbott Issues Disaster Declaration Ahead of Winter Storm
"A disaster declaration in response to potentially dangerous wonder whether this weekend and through next week the governor's deploying state resource is to help local officials in their winter weather response and has ordered the Texas State Operation Center to expand its daily operations to 24 hours a day through the end of next week, the state is activated when a road prep equipment and road condition monitoring crews. State military department has been sent to Fort Worth Waco, another cities to help any stranded motorists. The governor asking Texans to heat all warnings. Clayton Nevil, WB AP New. A Texas
Gov. Abbott issues disaster declaration to all counties ahead of winter storm in Texas
"The governor has declared a state disaster in Texas authorizing the mobilization of extra resource is around the clock is a major winter storm pushes towards Texas. Winter storm warnings are being posted for parts of the state, including Dallas, Waco and Austin areas, winter Storm watches and many other locations as that major winter storms expected to move in this weekend, significant snowfall expected from North Texas into central Texas and icy conditions
Texas Military Department to provide Winter weather equipment and personnel to support Fort Worth
"In response to potentially dangerous winter weather this weekend and through next week. The governor's deploying state resource is to help local officials in their winter weather response and has ordered the Texas State Operation Center to expand its daily operations to 24 hours a day through the end of the Next week. The state is activated when a road prep equipment and road condition monitoring crews. The state military department has been sent to Fort Worth Waco, another cities to help any stranded motorists. The governor asking Texans to heat all warnings. Quite Nevil, WB AP
Winter Weather updates: Texas Military Department to assist with stranded motorist operations in Fort Worth
"A disaster declaration in response to potentially dangerous winter weather this weekend through next week. The governor's deploying state resource is to help local officials in their winter weather response and has ordered the Texas State Operation Center to expand its daily operations to 24 hours a day through the end of next week. The state is activated when a road prep equipment and road condition monitoring crews. The state military department has been sent to Fort Worth, Waco and other cities to help any stranded motorists. The governor asking Texans to heat all warnings. Quite Nevil,
Chinese whistleblower doctor honored on death anniversary
"Is the anniversary one year ago. That chinese doctor dr lee. Who was the whistle blower on. How virulent covid was. This is the one year anniversary of him dying. He was suppressed by the chinese finally arrested. He had to confess that he was skeptical about the whole thing. And all that sort of the chinese version of twitter is waco and his site is still up on way. Bonus become sort of a a wall that people are writing messages on the chinese. Just don't have the stomach. Apparently for the pr hit it. Would it would be to take it down. They prefer concentrating on how great their response was to the Corona
Grand jury indicts Dallas native on capital murder in screen actor’s Grand Prairie killing
"A grand jury. Has indicted an 18 year rode on a capital murder charge and the death of any hassle who starred in the NBC show surface and in the 2010 movie. The kids are all right. An arrest warrant in the case has hassle was living in Waco, Texas, but was staying with the woman and an apartment in Grand Prairie when he was killed. The suspect to John and tone of Dallas faces a possible death penalty in the case. Authorities say surveillance, video and witness interviews indicate that hassle left the woman's apartment to go to her car and tone is accused of shooting the actor and then stealing the car. A Moscow Wells Gabriel
Grand jury indicts suspect in killing of actor Eddie Hassell
"That indictment has been produced in the shooting death of an actor in Texas a grand jury has indicted an eighteen year old on a capital murder charge in the death of Eddie Hassell who starred in the NBC show surface and in the twenty ten movie the kids all right an arrest warrant in the case as hassle was living in Waco Texas but was staying with the woman at an apartment in grand prairie when he was killed the suspect to John and tone of Dallas faces a possible death penalty in the case authorities say surveillance video and witness interviews indicate that hassle left the woman's apartment to go to her car and tone is accused of shooting the actor and then stealing the car I'm Oscar wells Gabriel
"waco" Discussed on American Scandal
"I I'm not aware of a lot of evidence to actually support an FBI tank. Knocked over all enough coleman lanterns to spread enough fuel to you know that that a spark could have lit the compound on fire You know and then there's the third theory which is the one that the FBI has has stuck to You know which is that. The branch Davidians or group within the branch Davidians intentionally Lit The compound on fire There is the the two big pieces of evidence to support that one is the testimony of an F. B. I. Sniper who says he saw someone inside Spreading fuel and you can come take that at what it is you know if the FBI had acted variously certainly a member of the FBI would have a lot of incentive to lie about what he saw but it is something that that agent testified to. I think the harder piece of evidence to refute is the testimony of Graeme Craddock. Who was a member of the branch? Davidians You know who said repeatedly That he sought people spreading fuel inside the compound. So you know exactly what happened how it all went down. I either the people who Who lived the people who left the compound during the fire either? Didn't see it weren't part of a plan. They all except for craddock seemed to have a no knowledge or don't want to discuss What happened with the fire? Critic of does not has not gone out of his way to blame the branch Davidians and Koresh but but he has mentioned the fuel. So I think that's the most likely scenario but I don't think I think the the mistake in saying while the branch Davidians started the fire or you know some groups of the mighty men group within the branch. Davidians started the fire which I think is probably true. I think the mistake with just saying that in stopping there Is that it blames the branch Davidians for everything. That happened And I think there's no doubt that the HR tactics were were wildly. You're responsible That there was no reason that the FBI should've gone in with gas morning. 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Influences is a really interesting question. I when I think about what happened in Waco. It is like a home distillation of all of these trends that have been happening in American society from the very beginning of the nation. You know it's it's this a religious liberty it's private property. It's gun ownership. It's the role of the federal government. It's really dislike quintessentially American event an American tragedy its place in the American popular consciousness. I think has ebbed and flowed since nineteen ninety three. I think it had a pretty quick drop In people paying attention to it at the Oklahoma City bombing kind of brought it back. The Oklahoma City bombing also had had the inverse effect on on militia membership militia memberships spiked after the events at Waco and dropped After the events at Oklahoma City But but it has been through the nineteen ninety s certainly it was the subject that was intensely debated and Kinda culminating in the the second major federal investigation. That the Danforth report. I think it What happened on nine? Eleven and the subsequent wars that You know certain ended the public's fascination for a while with what had happened At the branch Davidian compound. There were several different documentaries You know some of them quite excellent And and the the miniseries You referenced during Taylor Kitsch as David Koresh you. I think definitely represented kind of high point for the The FBI's actions against a militia groups. I think it fundamentally changed the way that the FBI did wake was part of a series of events who is the final In a series of Events Ruby Ridge was a major event that preceded at a were in. Fbi sniper had killed a woman as she went outside compound and was unarmed There had been a few smaller incidents involving militia groups in the nineteen eighties In federal law enforcement you know after Waco ended so disastrously for the FBI I think they decided that they would bend over backwards to avoid What had happened at Waco and you saw that right up until the I think the closest recent analog was the the Eamon Bundy led a standoff in Oregon We're one man was killed But the the federal government. I think we're basically was going to let them be there as long as they were going to be there. There was the the to the point where I don't think anyone looking at that event thought it was. The federal government was about to get tanks and an storm The the Bundy compound where you know where they were holed up in that federal land. The just You know with hopefully not do that today and I think it's just not the way that they operate after Waco it was it was such a black guy For the agency many of these issues. These uniquely American issues that you identify the the Waco distilled are still obviously with us today and And clearly the government's role in protecting its citizens Is is still there as well. What does the frontier for the next Rebellion if anything and what do you think? The government's response will be yeah. That's that's a tough question. I think a lot of the the issues around individual the the balance of individual liberties The the role of the state the role of law enforcement are you know are are all issues that very much. Still face us today. You could imagine I mean just what we've seen over the last month of two months with the federal and state response to the corona virus pandemic and the way that certain people protested that You know people that there has always been always will continue to be a strain of people for it is very very important to assert their independence from the state and law enforcement You know at almost all times You know often often citing people like you know early. Writings have founding fathers. Thomas Jefferson so i. I don't know I'm not smart enough to know what what the next big issue will be. Hopefully it won't be a Waco because the lessons that were learned at Waco But I you know you saw with the Bundys. It was about the federal ownership of of land in the West. You know whether the federal government should be should be holding all of this land and deciding who got to use it you know you. Could you could imaginative in maybe not in this pandemic but of future events where the government curtailed individual rights as they indisputably have done during this pandemic And people decided that the more important thing is the preservation of individual rights as a as a small very small. But but you know pretty vocal group has so I think a lot of a lot of that that just kind of fundamental attention in American society between very strong protection of individual liberty you know and ambit complicated and vast modern state apparatus. You could see that conflict playing out In all sorts of different venues Just hopefully if you know if won't via deadly Conflict Eric Benson thank you so much for coming on American scandal Thanks it was great to be here now as Eric. Benson senior editor at Texas monthly. His two thousand Eighteen Series on the Tragedy Waco and many other articles can be found Texas monthly.
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"Back in two thousand eighteen. You did a retrospective of the events at Waco for Texas monthly on the twenty fifth anniversary in one of those stories You interviewed Byron Sage of former. Fbi agent who was also a lead negotiator with the branch. Davidians when you spoke with him. How did sage respond to the legacy of the Siege? And and how did he tell the? Fbi side of the story. Yes Byron sage is a is a really interesting figure in the WACO story you know. He was the lead. Fbi Agent in Austin during the Waco siege but also had extensive negotiating experience and was called up to be part of this very large team of FBI negotiators. Who were talking with? Koresh and sage took on a leadership role within the the negotiating team. He wasn't in charge of the negotiating team but he was effectively the lead negotiator because the person in charge of the negotiating team was not often on the phone. He was more directing the effort. Since sage was was there for all fifty days of the siege and you know he was the one at the at the end who was telling the branch Davidians to leave their compound when it was on fire he had really extensive conversations with David crush including the only face to face negotiation of the Waco Siege When he and the sheriff of McLennan County Jacquard will Went and met face to face with Steve. Schneider Wayne Martin Actually come in the middle of the Mount Carmel between the F. B. I. Post and the actual compound itself but sage has since really the end of the siege and since it became a real flash point as been a very vocal defender of the FBI. You Know He. He is criticized some of the tactical side of the FBI There was negotiating side and then his tactical side. The negotiators were on the phone. The tactical side of were an armored vehicles and had their guns trained on the branch Davidian compound. He's criticized some of the tactical tactics but his feeling is very strongly that there is nothing that the F. B. I. could've done to To change the ultimate outcome of the siege and he's most people that I've spoken to in the FBI feel the same way. And that's I think that's part of the culture of the FBI in part of him You know having having been there for all of that time and tried to do as much as he did to get people out but you know certainly not. Everyone agrees with and and not even everyone. Involved with law enforcement agree with that in the same series for Texas monthly. You also interviewed Sheila Martin and Clive Doyle both branch Davidians who escaped dying in the fire. Do you get a sense that that the two of them have been able to move on from the tragedy or are they perhaps stuck in it defending their own side of it. He has Dolan Sheila Martin who I spent some time with. I've known climb for a few years and Sheila I just met two years ago But there I believe. The last two Members who are who are alive of branch. Davidian sect who still You know who are still in Waco and still believe that David Koresh was of a God chosen figure they haven't rejected David Koresh And Yeah I don't think that either of them have moved on. And how could they clive? Oil lost his daughter in the wake of fire and Sheila. Martin lost almost her entire family. You know she lost. I believe two sons since she lost her husband so for them. It was a an immense personal tragedy as well as seen their community essentially end. But they you know they still believe in the same things that they believed in then religiously and so. I don't think either certainly Sheila Martin but but really in my conversations with Clive Doyle. They're they're not that concerned with litigating. Exactly what happened at Mount Carmel They're mostly concerned with carrying on and That particular religious tradition which at this point is is very small and without intervention from something that you know that they believe in We'll probably end with them. One of the points. That was probably the most litigated of this. Whole thing is the very end How did the fire start? Can you lay out to us what we know what we suspect? Who thinks what yes. How how the fire started in has been the most litigated point. But but literally litigated and certainly bandied about in the media and by different stakeholders in what happened Waco I'll say because we talked about the media earlier one thing that's really fascinating to me You know someone who. I'm thirty five years old. I was young and not a big news. Consumer with the branch Davidian siege happened So I before I was asked to look into this For movie project actually about five years ago I had kind of only a very hazy view of what the Waco siege was who David Koresh was But when the WACO fire happened the polling after immediately after the fire Ninety three percent of people in this was in a a CNN. Gallup poll thought that David Koresh was responsible for for what happened. You have by nineteen ninety nine after they're been quite a few documentaries congressional hearings Importantly the discovery that there was a pyrotechnic round used at Waco The public opinion had almost completely flipped Sixty one percent of people who were polled in nineteen ninety nine thought the FBI started the fire which was part of the reason why there is another federal investigation after the initial federal investigations and the congressional hearings. A special council investigation that Janet Reno than the attorney. General John Danforth who had been a Republican senator from Missouri to To conduct so with the fire there was a fire that started at around noon on the day that the FBI was injecting. Tear gas into the compound so the FBI on April nineteenth basically decided that the siege was over and that the branch Davidians were coming out and they brought in a army tanks fitted with tear gas injectors and started punching holes into the building and injecting. Tear Gas Trying to enforce the branch Davidians to come out and for the first six hours. None of them came out. And then you have a fire starts in the compound very quickly sweep Through the compound burned to the ground By an hour later there's really not much more of the branch Davidian compound and the fire of course burns for for a while and and and killed seventy six people as far as what we know You know I think I would say that. They're basically the theories of the fire and Frankly you know which I what I think has the most evidence you know. What one theory is that? The government Intentionally started the fire either to drive the branch. Davidians out or to kill all of them. That's theory that started almost immediately after the fire. I believe the first big airing of it was in a documentary called Waco the big lie which is not a very credible documentary It showed Kind of reflections. That were happening of sunlight of off the tear gas injectors and it made it look like the tear. Gas injectors were shooting flames into the compound I not. I don't think that anyone who's looked at the evidence. Thinks that that's credible. I think you the video. Evidence doesn't seem to support that. There were flame. Throwers on tanks shooting Flames into the compound. So there's a separate theory that FBI snipers were shooting at branch either into the compound or overshooting branch. Davidians who leaving the compound That was something that I'm relatively sure that people in the compound were afraid of There was a documentary that was a very widely seen documentary That used confessed footage from a Spy plane that was going overhead to support the idea that there was muzzle fire from FBI snipers The Danforth report refuted that I personally think that it's quite unlikely that the FBI was firing into the compound. There's another theory that the the branch video of course they're electricity was cut off. So there were there. Were they had a coleman lanterns filled filled with oil And that's how they were lighting the inside of the compound and so there's a theory that as the tanks rolled in You know they might have knocked over. These fuel canisters and kind of turned the compound into basically a place that was ready to light on fire and then it took almost nothing. Just a a a spark or something like that to like the whole place up that it almost prepared for fire. Is that theory that I think some people have taken some comforting because it makes the whole thing seemed completely accidental.
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"It's the evening March. Twenty Fifth Nineteen ninety-three day. Twenty six of the at Mount Carmel at the FBI. Command Post eight miles northeast of Mount Carmel. Gary Messner packs his suitcase. He rubs his tired eyes and steps out of the command post which hums with activity day and night. It's been another grueling day in central Texas. Nestor is the FBI chief negotiator and in the days. Since he arrived he spent. Nearly every waking minute consumed with ending the standoff. There's never been a break. Not even tonight as he drives down a dark highway headed back to his hotel as he glides down the dark road. He spots a car with a bumper sticker. That says Waco Proud. Nestor nods his head. The locals are sick of being known for this craze cult. Seems like everyone on the planet wants the standoff to end everyone except David Koresh necessary grips the steering wheel tightly. He still fuming about an earlier meeting with Jeff Jomar Tomorrow's ATOP FBI commander at Waco but a Nassar's opinion. He's too quick to use force just days ago. Necessarily team got seven adults at Mount Carmel. Including Sheila Martin. The Wifa crushes close legal adviser Wayne Martin but Jomar failed to recognize achievement which was thanks to the negotiators and their diplomacy even worse to mar later. Sent in more tanks to harass Mel Karnal Nelson arrives at the hotel and heads up to his room allies down on the bed and flips on the TV. There's Mount Carmel yet. Again the compound is flooded with stadium lights surrounded by tanks loudspeakers blaring the camera then cuts to a TV. Pundit who says the FBI is failing and it's incapable of winning the standoff. Just then the phone rings necessarily exhausted but he knows he can't ignore the call. Yeah hello this is necessarily a cheery voice comes over the line. Gary throbbed race race boss back at the FBI office in Virginia. Hello Sir what can I do for you so I know it's late but I wanted to tell you? I think you and your team are doing a great job down there in Waco. I mean getting twenty. One kids out of the compound. That's a real accomplishment will thank you Sir bye but listen. Grace Pauses measuring his words and immediately. Nestor feels himself tense up. Something bad is coming. Yeah so the. The reason I'm calling is look Gary. It's time for you to step down as chief negotiator. You've been going nonstop for coming up on. What would five weeks now? It's time for you to get a little Dr. Nestor knows exactly what this means the. Fbi BRASS him out. Sir I feel. I feel that I'm really needed down. Here let me and my team see this through. I feel the negotiating team will be all right but Sir Gary. It's done you fly out tomorrow morning. Ness nervous is stares at the TV at Mount Carmel at the tanks and the wreckage that lies in their wake. He wants to protest but he stops himself. It's IT'S NO USE. Yes Sir understood. Nestor hangs up the phone. He's tired numb. He turns off the TV and stares at the ceiling. Nascar set out to get every man woman and child out of Mount Carmel. We've fallen far short of that. And he has a terrible feeling that he'll always have unfinished business in Waco. It's early April week. Five of the standoff at the F. B. I. Command Post Byron. Sage sits at a desk waiting for an important meeting a meeting. That could set the standoff on a new course after Gary National was removed as chief negotiator. Sage stepped in has the de facto leader of the negotiating team. He was sorry to see. Messner go but he's continued to push hard for a peaceful solution even if progress has been slow coming. Sage has spoken on the phone with David. Koresh and Steve Schneider almost every day for five weeks straight. But it's been two weeks since any adult is walk through the doors of Mount Carmel. Crash hasn't released any children more than a month. Sage STANDS UP. It's time for his meeting with the FBI's Commander Jeff Jamar sage walks past rows of agents all huddled over computer monitors. They have dark rings under their eyes and they look worn thin. Just like sage. Everyone is sick of living off cold pizza and they're tired of David. Koresh having to organize their lives around the whims of a madman. Say Jenner's to Mars Office. The commander is hunched over his desk. His Expression Stern. He gestures for sage to sit and asks. If there's been any progress in getting people out of Mount Carmel sage size and shakes his head to Marlene's in. He wants to know the truth. Can THEY GET DAVID? Koresh to surrender. Sage takes a moment swallows hard. It's difficult to admit after weeks of effort. But he tells Jomar what he believes. The negotiator seemed to have exhausted their options. At this point sages convinced that David. Koresh doesn't care about anyone inside. All He sees are ways to fulfil his own. Grandiose Vision Sage prices lip before offering his final assessment. He's not sure what correct will do if they don't act. Soon Jomar nods. He says he's glad. Sage has come around on the point because the agency has a new solution in mind. It's a plan code-named Jericho. Sage recognizes the name. Jericho from the famous siege. In the Bible Jomar picks up an aerial photograph of Mount Carmel. He points to the compound explains that according to the plan tanks will approach Mount Carmel with specialized equipment outfitted with thirty foot arms. These arms will act like pipes that can penetrate the compound through these pipes. The tanks will then injected tear-gas going room by room. They'll release the gas over a forty eight hour period. They're not looking to force the Davidians out immediately instead. They'll gradually shrank the living space inside the compound until the entire building is saturated with tear gas. At that point the divisions will have no choice but to come out tomorrow looks up from the aerial photograph. He says that once they put Jericho into action. They'll need someone to tell the Davidians about the teargas and to help talk them out of the building. He wants sage to fill that role. Jomar also explains that the highest levels of the FBI are on board soon the FBI director will help. Present the plan to Janet Reno President Clinton's new attorney general and Reno gives the okay. The tactical team will immediately put the plan into action. But right now Jomar wants to know if sage on board with the plan say just lets his mind. Imagine what will surely be a frightening scene inside Mount Carmel. He can picture the thundering tanks. The white clouds of tear-gas filling room after room. Too RISKY PLAN KEEPING KARESH. In-place feels even riskier. This has to end on the FBI's terms so Byron. Sage tells Jomar he's in its April fourteenth. Nine thousand nine hundred ninety three now day forty six of the standoff David Tobacco smiles as he bounds up the stairs to the second floor of Mount Carmel. He feels light on his feet. His former balk wasted after six weeks of combat rations and the hardships of the long siege purged. His last spiritual doubts for the first time in his life timid. Oh feels like he understands what faith truly means at the top of the stairs to stops and grins here. David Koresh sits up against the wall surrounded by large group of followers timid. Oh sees his own hope reflected on their faces earlier today Karesh announced that he will end the standoff once and for all God spoke to the Prophet at the end of Passover. He instructed Karesh to write down. His interpretation of the seven seals. Karesh said it will take two weeks three tops so he called the FBI and said as soon as he finishes writing the seals you'll surrender. There will be no change of plans. Scans the crowd and spots his wife. Michelle she sits with serenity. Her four year old daughter who she had with Karesh Tibidot goes and sits down beside them and serenity crawls into his lap he smiles at her and she settles in Settling on. Karesh is a look of calm and clarity and then he begins to speak exalted and proud as if God is flowing through him he begins dictating the first of the seven seals next to him. Judi Schneider types furiously on a typewriter. She takes down every one of his words even though for the last six weeks. She's had a wound in her hand where she was shot. Creches voice rises. He says that he who has chosen to open the seals. We'll be persecuted exactly. Has He and his followers have been persecuted. These long weeks. Typical smiles at Michelle encrypt serenity tightly together. They've outlasted these hardships the endless screeching from the loudspeakers the dwindling supply of food and Water. The abundance of death and fear and suffering but as Tibidot sits among his family he finally feels at peace because once David Koresh finishes the seals together they will emerge from Al Karnal and the world will see that they are God's.
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"It's February twenty eighth nineteen ninety three and at nine forty five. Am black helicopter. Swoops DOWN OVER MOUNT CARMEL. Inside the helicopter. Daviel era justice headset peers. Down from a rear window. The pilots flying low enough that Aguilera announcing the grasses whipping beneath his heart pounds fast as pawns or sweaty. The helicopter then shoots the grey roof of the property and banks around the same time. Aguilar sees to cattle trailers screeched to a halt in the front yard. Atf agent stream out of the trailers and charge at the front door with their guns drawn. Letter wishes he could get a closer view. This is the moment he's been working towards for nine long months he built the legal case. For this rate he secured the warrants. Now in a matter of minutes. They'll get to see David. Koresh taken into custody looking down he catches a glimpse of two figures at Mount. Carmel is open door. Neither appears to be armed. Angular watches the federal agents race forward. He can imagine them shouting crush ordering him to get down. Hopefully crash will surrender without a fight. The helicopter trips around the building and for a moment agar loses his view of the front door. He cranes his neck and frustration. Trying to see what's happening. The helicopter banks sharply and regains his view of the property but now Mount Carmel. Double doors closed and ATF. Troops are firing into it. Time feels like it's slowing down and looks across. The property agents are sprawled out on the ground. They look injured. Angular feels woozy. Ms Is searched the yarn vein looking for crash. But there's no sign amon just an agile notices movement on the roof. It's a group of ATF. Asians across low and approaching a second story window. It's a critical target. If they can break the window it should be able to enter crushes bedroom and secure the main gun room. But then accuracy something and his stomach lurches on the roof agent reels backwards and slumps nother is hit and falls on top of the first hagler. Yells OUT NO SLAMS. His hand against the window shaking trying somehow to reach down and protect his fallen agents. Right then there's a loud clang. It echoes through the helicopter. And the pilot's voice comes on the radio dave been hit. They need to land immediately. The helicopter pulls away from the building. Drops toward an open. Field as it descends. Aguilara goes numb for a moment. He can't see feel or hear anything all it's left as a quiet voice inside him asking. How could this be happening? How did everything go so wrong? So quickly inside Mount Carmel. A storm of bullets pierce is the front door of the compound. David Koresh staggers back. He hears a strangled cry behind him. Perry Jones his wife. Rachel's father you must have been hit thanks crash. Perry joined Russia. The door to help negotiate plan was trying to talk to the agents to understand their intentions but when Karesh opened the door he saw men in flak jackets racing toward him from every direction. They're weapons withdrawn. They were shouting saying something he couldn't understand. He was overwhelmed and so correct quickly slammed the door in their faces now a couple of crashes followers racine and lift. Perry taking him away but correct can also hear shouts and sharp tries coming from outside the door. His men must have opened fire on the agents clashes so much uglier than Koresh had ever imagined. He tried to warn his followers that this day would be terrible that they pay a huge price before leaving their final reward but now that the moment has come crashes not only angry. He's deeply hurt. Why would these government forces come to destroy him rather than embrace his message of salvation? Crushers more gunfire overhead. There's glass breaking ord splintering raise dusty light. Enter the compound pouring in through the bullet holes in the front door correct knows he has to get out of the entry way clutching his AK forty seven crush racist through the empty chapel and up the stairs he stops and stands there breathing hard. That's when he sees them government men leaving out from behind a pile of old furniture. Their weapons are raised and crush suddenly feels himself spun around as if a giant man had kicked him full force in the side. Searing pain shoots up through his left hip than his back and crumples to the ground. Trash looks down. He's bleeding everywhere crush. Here's more rounds echoing through the gymnasium and then gunfire in response. He's not sure what's happening. What he praised that it's his men firing back. One thing is certain though he has to escape these agents crash summons his strength and begins crawling arm overarm toward the hallway on the first floor of Mount Carmel Wayne Morton Paces back and forth inside his office. The phones press so hard to his ear that it's beginning to sting as he paces. He casts a bitter glance at the Harvard Law School Diploma framed on his office. Wall the ATF. Didn't show up to talk with the resident lawyer. He thinks that came ready to kill and children. Martin dial nine one one now. He's on the phone with Lieutenant. Larry Lynch from the County Sheriff Department. They've been talking for almost forty minutes with Martin demanding that the government agents hold their fire and retreat for Martin. Nothing could be more urgent. His wife and seven children are inside Mount Carmel and he knows he must get the government to stop shooting. W what's taking so long. Why can't you get the ATF? On the line. Sorry I told you I'm trying. I sat communication with agents this morning. But they're not responding figured out already. I want us we want. A ceasefire wayne standby okay. No one's responding to the damn radio. Martin suddenly feels exhausted crawls under the heavy wooden desk trying to protect himself from gunfire. Just then Deputy Lynch's voice breaks in. Wayne Wayne you still there. I got him on the line. The talk about a ceasefire now. So so standby tell them if they don't back off we're GONNA fight to the last man. I understand. I understand Wayne just remain calm. I'm as calm as they are lynch. They're attacking us again Wayne. Quaint listen to me. Stop Shooting and they'll stop shooting. The wants to remove their casualties okay. They're not attacking you. Yes they are. Do not call me a liar. They're shooting I'm not saying you're a liar. Just just hang on. We'll get the ceasefire as Martin weights with the phone to his ear. He's filled with sorrow for years. Karesh prophesized that the government attack go one of two ways if they were all pure enough of spirit that God would simply bring them to. Heaven wants the battle started. They would be protected from the bullets and they wouldn't suffer an earthly death. But now it's clear to Martin that he and the other followers have failed Karesh. They weren't pure enough disciplined enough to ascend straight to heaven now. It seems that their fate is to suffer with him and his family but Martin has one final hope if they can stay true to crash in these last days they might still find salvation hopefully they can withstand this final test inside the Mount Carmel Gymnasium shots. Continue to ring out one after the other David. Koresh summons the last of his strength and crawls to a hallway. He safer now but the pain in his hip is dizzying. Strikes him. That he's dying but he feels a wave of peace wash over him. He'll die after doing battle with government forces just as he predicted. Soon he will breathe his last breath and ascend to God's kingdom but I is a phone call to make crash manages to get his cell phone out of his pocket calls his mother. His breath is labored has waited through the I ring and the next finally he hears a click is the answering machine and so with his strength. Failing Karesh leaves a message for his mother. Hello Mama he says it's your boy. They shot me. I'm dine are I would. I'll be back real soon. Okay I'm sorry that you didn't learn the seven seals the revelation that I tried to teach you but I'll be merciful at the last judgement. Okay I'll see you in the skies after that crash hangs up receiver. There was still gunfire. All around and crash takes a breath waiting for the final moment. Knowing it's only the beginning of attorney. American scandal is sponsored by best fiends. Have you recently come to the conclusion that your phone that gleaming techno wonder might be plotting against that every time? You unlock your screen. You feel bad that there's very little offers anymore. Let's change that. 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"Right away the heroine Jones next up his mind begins race. What does the media want with Mount Carmel Wonders? If karash was expecting a news crew challenge would have heard about it. He's just about ask what's going on when he sees the newsman staring past him at the road his Eyes Wide John's turns to see a white suburban zoom past. He catches a glimpse of the passengers. All of them are wearing combat helmets and black bulletproof vests Jones mind races a TV news. Truck men in full combat gear. He can only mean one thing. The day correct prophesized has come. Mount Carmel is about to be attacked by government forces without another word to the cameraman. He jumped back into his Buick. Impulse away he has to get back to Mount Carmel and Worn David Koresh inside Mount Carmel. David Koresh sits in the entrance hall. His Bible Open on his lap. A group of followers are seated in a half circle around him waiting to hear today's lessons and they've just been joined by a burly man with thick black hair. It's their new neighbor. The government agent. Who Calls Himself Robert? Crush doesn't know who exactly Robert Works for. But every time Robert Asks to visit caress says yes he figures it's the best way to discover what the government is up to even hopes he might convert Robert to his message this morning. Robert had a new excuse for visiting. He said he wanted to bring over a copy of the Waco Herald Tribune crash only glance at the headline which referred to him as the Sinful Messiah. Then he quickly set the paper aside. He knew he was just another round of hurtful lies from his former lieutenant. Mark Bro. He turns his attention away from the paper and towards his preaching his followers gaze up at him awaiting God's message but Roberts is dart around the room looking anywhere but Karesh just then the front door of Mount. Carmel Shoots Open Trash turns and sees his brother-in-law David Jones Jones. Flushed looks panicked. He's about to speak and he notices Robert. It closes his mouth abruptly and hurries into the backroom crush frowns. Something's up a moment later. Caress Years Jones calling his name saying that there's a telephone call from England. Trash excuses himself from the group crash walks quickly to the telephone room. As soon as the door closes. John's begins talking. Rapidly tells crush everything he seemed. Tv News Van Combat Soldiers. He says the media must be here to film a government attack. It's happening. They're coming from Mount Carmel Karesh. Let's the words sink in and he feels his body began to shake. He's been waiting for this day for so long. It was eight years ago that the Lord spoke to him on Mount Zion and revealed his plan for the end days and now that that day here crush finds himself filled with nothing but cold anger anger that the government would try to strike him and his people down anger at the undercover agent. Robert WHO's helping to bring all this about his outside this room right now Chris. Strides back into the entrance hall. It's time to confront Robert in the hall. Karesh tells Robert that he knows they're coming with they'll never get him Robert Act Sheepish. Says he doesn't know what crushes talking about but crush can clearly see that he's shaken and so he looks directly. Robert and issues a warning. It's up to you now. Robert Crush says the agents eyes widen. He makes a feeble excuse. Says he needs to go get breakfast then quickly leaves. Chris stands at the Pierre. Paul watching Robert Hurry to his truck jumps in and drives toward the neighboring house. As it speeds down the dirt road kicks up a cloud of dust crush turned from the door. His followers all have their heads down in prayer. Some are trembling others as rigid stone. Then Chris begins shouting. He says the forces of Babylon are coming. Everyone must get ready. Karesh runs into the chapel and finds one of his wives. He tells her to gather the children and hurry upstairs. The walls up there are reinforced with concrete. And he heads to the gun room and grabs his AK forty seven a number of the young men file in behind him and take up their weapons. Karesh can tell they look scared. My children finally learning some terrible truth. He knows that right now. What they need is a leader. That's what he'll be crush barnes to them to take positions at the windows. They shouldn't fire until he gives the order. He wants to talk with the authorities when they arrive. Maybe it's all a big misunderstanding. If so karesh can reason with them. But there's another possibility today could be the prophesized day when the earthly powers come to attack God's people and if that's the case Karesh is ready.
"waco" Discussed on American Scandal
"By the early nineties. David Koresh had gained almost complete control of the branch Davidian Community at Mount Carmel. A few members had fled the community and spoken out against Karesh. But most of the branch Davidians were drawn into Koresh's apocalyptic worldview ready to make the ultimate sacrifice for their messiah. That would mean going head to head with the ATF. The Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms. Atf agents opened an investigation into mount. Carl and the more they dug the more they learned about David. Koresh's massive build up of weapons. The agency began to view Karesh as an imminent threat that set the stage for a large-scale confrontation between the two sides. This is episode three ranch apocalypse. It's a hot fall day in Nineteen ninety-one outside Waco Texas David. Tinto's applying beige paint on a new building at Mount Carmel Center as he glides his paintbrush along the wall he feels something on his leg. Looks down sees a fire ant crawling up his bare calf. Jumps swatted away and size on days like this. He wonders how he found himself. Living in central Texas tibidow is in his early twenties. He's heavyset with long brown hair and gray blue eyes. He's the drummer. Dave crushes rock band and he and crashed. I met in Los Angeles had a guitar center. Tiptoe initially had some reservations backlash especially when correct handed him a business card with a strange name enlisted his company as Messiah Productions Still. It wasn't long before to bidault. Grew fascinated by crashes teachings. Here was the deep sense of purpose that had always been missing from his life so he packed up his drum set and meager belongings and moved to Mount Carmel. At first tibidow was shocked by the extremes of life at Mount Carmel. Their practices were unusual to say the least there were the underage girls and spouses of other men. Who crash taken his. His wives was the fact that too. Though and other men were expected to practice celibacy and the restrictive diet that sometimes felt like starvation and then there was the flock of followers that offered utter and complete devotion to a man they believe is their Messiah but despite having some reservations to bidault had begun to feel like he's finally in the right place he surrounded by people with a sense of purpose. Who Know How to live a disciplined life a life that he's trying to adopt even if that means painting a building in the hot sun attacked.
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"waco" Discussed on American Scandal
"Just then Bro. Here's the office door open in walks a thirteen year old girl. She lives at Mount Carmel with her parents. And Bro is especially fond of the family in part because they're astray. Leeann being around them reminds him his wife when he wonders. What is their daughter doing here this late at night? The girl hurries past Bro. Without acknowledging him he watches her. Walk up the stairs that lead to house bedroom. His mind starts racing. Maybe she's just delivering something to how or she's here to tell him. Something Bro is afraid. He knows exactly what's happening. He decides to wait in the office until she comes back down. Bro Starts playing a computer game hoping to distract himself. He knows that house marriage to his wife. Rachel was legal even though at the time she was fourteen years old. Her parents have given their consent. But since then how has taken many others? He calls wives most are of legal age but summer. Not even Rachel's younger sister was given to the Messiah. She gave birth to one of house children when she was only fourteen. It's all part of the vision that Howell says. He received an Israel the revelation that he should have children for the Lord. Bro Has accepted this as truth after all. The Bible is full of young wives and mothers and it doesn't condemn polygamy outright so long Hasbro has had complete faith house. Behavior has made perfect sense. But maybe Bro. Does not have complete faith. One of how isn't God's representative on Earth? That would change everything. How is no longer a Messiah Fulfilling Biblical prophecies? He's a man fulfilling his sinful desires. Bro Is drifting into a troubled sleep when he hears girls footsteps. It's five in the morning. He sees the girl stop at the bottom of the stairs startled to see him away. Row begins to speak but the girl scurries away. Ro- walks to the door and watches her move quickly across the yard to the house where she lives with her parents. His mouth is trying. A sense of guilt rises up to his throat. If how is hiding behind false prophecies and this child isn't a vessel of the Lord. She's a victim. Bro knows that the laws of Texas are clear on the matter. Each one of the miners as a case of statutory rape with the ones who are under fourteen. It's a felony bro. Closes his eyes and prays for God's Guidance Asking one question should he continue to follow the Messiah? Or should he use what he note to destroy Vernon Howell?.
"waco" Discussed on American Scandal
"It's May Nineteen Eighty eight just outside Waco Texas the afternoon Sun casts long shadows across the buildings now Carmel Burn. How surveys the property with Marc Breaux by assigned Burge Chirp in the trees and house? Quinn says he gazes across the large property. That's now his God gave Mount Carmel Back To hal more quickly than he ever could have hoped his trial ended with a hung jury. Each of his followers were found not guilty. They were all out free and clear and their weapons were returned even better. It's George Roden. Who STUCK IN JAIL? How IS ECSTATIC FOR YEARS? He and his followers had to live in a makeshift camp in Palestine. Texas but now they can finally reclaim their rightful home. But as HAL makes his way through Mount Carmel he can tell. They've got a lot of work to do. Mount Carmel is hardly ready to be a training ground for the end of days because George Roden place looks like the apocalypse has already come the first house that he umbro enter a roof. That's completely caved in the water damage and mold are so severe. It'll take months of repairs before any followers can live here. The next house is full of trash. There are signs of rats and roaches yet another home stacked practically to the ceiling with pornography. One of Georgia's associates must have been running some kind of male owner business. How opens the door of little house in the back of the property? Putrid smell blows over him and he recoils Satan's bathroom couldn't smell any worse. He thinks he glances around and sees a propane tank. Hooked up to a burner nearby or a series of tubes which lead from a dirty glass beaker to several plastic containers. How stops in his tracks. Wall can't careful more. Looks like they're cooking meth. There's so much sin on this property math but I still. I wouldn't put a pass George. We'll box up the lab and take it to the sheriff. Think that's a good idea of course as we one mark we're on the right side of the wall. We'll just tell them that. The zoll Georgia's John. We don't want it coming back to bite us. We have bigger things to do. Bro Looks around the filthy room and size. Yeah you're right. I thought it'd be a little more triumphant to be back even talking about it for years. Well were you listening? I never said he was going to be a paradise. We're building an army for God. This is our fortress a place for pure people. Don't need comfort. Trust me more. They'll come flooding back once they get my message of course. So that means we're stepping up. Recruitment yes exactly you get back to California. Send Steve to England. I'll make another trip to Australia. Had Good luck there. Okay well and I'll just as soon as we clean up. Georgia's mess that's going to take awhile how can feel agitation rising? You know we don't have much time mark so we've been three years since my vision on Mount Zion. We're getting closer and closer and soon I'll unlock the seven seals. I know believe me I know. Roy picks the propane tank and exits a house shoulders slump. How returns his gaze to the King? Room they'll clean it up just like they'll clean up Mount Carmel but a not formed in this John has tasked with bringing so many people into the light. How can he fill the prophecy? Without an army of devoted followers. He knows he needs to look on his flock. Needs to see that. He's in control and self comment on when he's by himself worrisome. He hopes you'll find enough souls to save on his recruitment missions. But if you can't there's always planned being lord has already spoken him visions and he's revealed other ways for how to throw his flock. American scandal is sponsored by Missouri. When I told my wife that Missouri was coming on as a new advertiser she said wait. What Missouri. That's my store and indeed it is. I recognize the style immediately. Fourteen karat solid gold pieces often sleekly proportioned sometimes accident with Turquoise Pearl or even diamonds sophisticated with a bit of whimsy. Missouri makes fine jewelry for everyday wear pieces. That don't wear out or scratch easily so you never worry about having to take off your jewelry or getting pieces wet. Everything is low maintenance but high quality at fair prices because while fine jewelry is precious you don't have to be precious about it with new exciting pieces dropping every Monday. You can choose from a range of timeless styles that you can wear from day to night nor versatile enough to be styled with pretty much anything you own beyond the lookout each week for fresh new and exciting pieces sometimes under a hundred and fifty dollars head to Missouri Dot com slash. Ads For ten percent off your first order that's M. E. J. U. R. I. Dot Com Slash. Ads for ten percent. Off Your first order..
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"How feel sick with remorse? At that moment something begins to shift inside him. Remorse begins to fade and suddenly how knows what he must do. He will never reject God again. He'll follow the Lord's path without wavering. Because he cannot afford to lose God the way he lost Linda. You haven't lost her forever. Vernon use your gifts to reveal. The truths of the Bible served me faithfully. I'll give her to the world Russia's back the Voice of God is gone. How has left quaking in the truck bed? He now knows Lord has big plans for him and he must've vote himself fully so he jumps out of the truck bed and into the driver seat. He'll study his Bible by the trucks. Dome light until the battery Fades. It's the summer of Nineteen eighty-one at a rundown truck. Stop Outside Waco Texas Vernon HAL finishes topping off his gas tank. Removes the nozzle walks inside the station. How ask the old man behind the counter about a place called Mount Carmel? The man shoots Howell a suspicious. Look why would he want to go out there? How just shrugs and smiles. The old man reluctantly gives them directions. How thanks him and heads to the restroom. He stares at his face in the mirror. He's grown a beard. Looking a little scraggly. That's probably what Christ looked like to. He thinks at least if you saw Jesus in real life not in some painting and Stuffy Old Church. How is done with stuff? You'll just a few months ago. He was kicked out of the seventh day adventists. The pastor didn't like that how sharing his messages from God. He was talking about the end days. About how a new profit would open up the seven seals from the book of revelations but the last straw was the vision how had received from God showing him that he'd marry the pastor's young daughter. How exits the gas station and pulls back onto the highway and once again he feels ashamed yet. Another of the Lord's marriage plans didn't pan out. He'd spent the past couple of months adrift trying to answer hard questions. Where did his path lead? Why weren't their profits in the world today to house amazement? One of his friends said she'd actually heard of a modern day. Prophet an old woman living just a couple hours South Dallas. A woman that lives in a place called Mount Carmel. That's where HAL is headed now. He looks up at the trees lining the road. The intersecting brands like a crown of thorns. He can hardly believe that in just a few more miles. He will get to meet his first real life province. Uh It's less than an hour later. And how was thirteen miles outside? Waco he standing at the entrance to Mount Carmel. Center the harsh afternoon light off the simple white buildings already. He admires the humble nature of this place. It was built right in the middle of a quiet prairie. How gets out and takes a look around a group of children playing the fields if you women watch them as how approaches a woman with a British accent greets him? She agrees to take him to meet the profit. Whose name is Lois Roden. The woman leads health relavent buildings and soon they find the prophet. Lois Roden welcomes. How with a simple nod? She's a thin bird. Like woman in her late sixties with oversized glasses and a prominent chin. She offers to take on a tour. The property walking together. They pass a series of small houses nearby. Young couple of buckets of water from the Stone. Well Rodent talks as they walk and how hangs on her every word he loves her confident voice she stops and points out an old weatherbeaten church. She explains that this group. The branch Davidians started in the nineteen thirties. They moved to this property in the late fifties. Her husband Van Roden was the prophet back then before he died. How as road whether she has any children shadow crosses her face. She says she had a son George but he wasn't with the community anymore just in a man hurries past wearing a postman's uniform rodent explains many people at Mount. Carmel have jobs outside the community. They don't pull their money but they do live together and share a simple life and they're bonded by the same goal together. They await the coming of Christ and the end of days. How conjoined if he's devoted to their message and if he can manage to live as simply as they do how already knows his answer all his life. He's been searching for this sorted community. He will join the branch. Davidians and he will follow Lois. Roden or at least that's where he'll start because lately vernon how has been hearing more from God. God has been sharing his plans without the plan suggests that Vernon Howell might play a bigger role now caramel than anyone could ever imagine. American scandal is sponsored by Ziprecruiter. 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"It's the morning offense twenty-eighth Nineteen ninety-three outside Waco Texas asleep pickup truck pulls into a dirt. Lot the truck door opens and a man steps out into the cold morning. Air Wind whistles lightly and Russell's the grass along prairie the man's name. Is Robert Rodriguez? He's forty two with thick dark hair. And linebackers physique cuts the truck's engine and gazes at an unassuming cluster of wooden buildings known as Mount Carmel. Center Rodriguez knows far more about Mount Carmel than he cares to. He's met many of the men women and children live here. All members of a religious cult called the branch. Davidians there more than one hundred strong and the groups led by man named David. Koresh by Rigas knows that crash is a high school dropout is given name is Vernon Howell here at Mount Carmel. Crashes something much more much bigger. His followers believed that he is the Messiah as he tells them he is the new embodiment of Christ here on earth to bring about the end of days. Rodriguez gets out of his truck and walks toward the compound. He hates visiting. This place is careful to keep a smile on. His broad face can't allow anything to reveal his true feelings or his real job. Rodriguez is an undercover agent with the ATF. The Federal Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms and he knows there are buildings full of guns at Mount Carmel. About a month ago. Rodriguez and other. Atf agents moved into a house just down the road. They've been posing a students at a local technical school and inventing reasons to visit. The neighbors. Karash always seems glad to have them. He even told Rodriguez he could move in Riga shutters. Suggestion alone made his skin crawl. But with any luck today will be the last time he ever has to visit this place already mile long convoy of ATF and National Guard troops is on its way from nearby Fort Hood. They're armed for a full-scale assault prepared to take Koresh into custody so today. Rodriguez has one last crucial task. Take a final look around now. Carl if he doesn't see anything that's out of the ordinary.
"waco" Discussed on College Football Live
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"waco" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins
"Razer siblings kids i met several times years ago kids grow to be amazing adults one of them ashley owns a small business less than a mile from where i am right now you're in cd a and steph dungeon in in these kids lived in waco and they were some of the kids released a federal agents at the beginning of the siege they walked out and they didn't get mowed down their mom died in the gunbattle with the atf agents she was shot near one their dad died in the fire on the last day and and they did tell their story until the story of religious lunatic who took child brides one of these kids you too few years away from becoming a child brighter self the told stories of karesh routinely discussing sex openly with even the youngest girls in bible lessons little tiny kids grooming them as peta files do so fuck david koresh i feel sorry for his followers glad he died only wish he could have had more painful death maybe it was she could he he lived long to be raped in prison or even harden felons don't care for child molesters he was not a revolutionary he was not a martyr he was not some big proponent of you know free speech in freedom of religion he was trash mark harrison posts even more stupidity my taken the whole deal as it unfolded back then was that they were not hurting anyone if folks want to believe whatever they want us their own business not mine if folks want to own weapons of any kind as long as they're not use them to commit crime they should be able to protect themselves whoever they choose well mark uh let me just say this year take a shit your takes complete dump shit look on libertarian more them democrat republican i want the government involved in my life is lil as possible however i do want them involved the public safety and letting maniacs own weapons of any kind as long as they're not use them to commit crimes is absurd what are you talking about is now say for the rest of us really just don't fuck it let them having tanks give some assault helicopters give as much plastic explosives they can get their hands i'll let us bob stock up on napalm and some law and some light missiles was the worst could happen.
"waco" Discussed on On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts
"Dallas morning news where she covered the waco siege and local oklahoma city bombing is currently working on a book on waco and its aftermath and lee hancock a welcome her on point it's very good to have you thanks for having me i'd love to just get your initial take on uh what you've seen so far i assume youths is seen at least the first two or three episodes what do you think well you know it's it's an interesting piece of drama but in terms of reflecting the facts of what happened down there um you know it's troubling uh it there is a a lot of um there are a lot of issues that they just misrepresent about what happened about uh you know the atf and and in some cases the fbi about ruby ridge and you know i know that in a drama series that you have to ally you have to compress you have to make composite figures but there are some things that are happening in this that frankly trouble me in the same way we'll tell me give me an example what's your most concerned about well sure i mean you know the atf made pretty terrible mistakes and i think that their agents admit that they made mistakes um uh throughout this but this was not a ray that was planned as a publicity stunt that's certainly is something that some people have accused them off but you know there was a a treasury reviews that went into great depth and looking at what happened there was also the danforth report and um neither of those investigations which were very thorough came to any kind of conclusion like that this wasn't a publicity stunt these guys were brought and actually by sheriff of mclennan county because this europe was worried about some of the things that were coming to mount carmel um but by ups uh there was a report of grenade halls at first and the atf was actually invited in because the sheriff's department thought they couldn't handle this so there's also the portrayal that somehow their friends with uh you know the sheriff's department you know the davidian certainly say that but i've heard very very different things from sheriff's department there are you know questions about illegal gun in you know in the first three episodes i've seen there's a.
"waco" Discussed on On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts
"This is on point i'm anthony brooks we're talking with the cocreators of new mini series waco from paramout at from the paramount network that tells the story of waco texas in the standoff between the branch davidians in federal law enforcement that ended in a ball of fire more than seventy dead this occur 25 years ago you can join the conversation how do you look at what happened in waco 25 years ago what does it say about the militarization of law enforcement where do you put the blame my guest star drew and john eric dowdell cocreators of the six part series waco and here's a scene from the show michael shannon plays fbi negotiator gary nessler who tries to convince his boss to spend more resources on training agents to negotiate instead of using force there is a paradox to power the more force you bring situation the more likely you are to meet resistance if we could spend some of those resources training agents to negotiate a guarantee that you would invest a lot by some bodybags we can't talk our way out of every situation show of force helps bring people to the negotiating table so drew in john talk a little bit about sort of what you learned about what went wrong at waco and specifically this this this argument within the federal law enforcement community about whether it was to use force or it'd be better negotiating well i think uh at that moment in america the fbi uh decided like just in case there is a uh big problems with citizenry like let's uh invest a lot of money in a kind of super swat force and so the fbi created the hostage rescue team and this was like the you know uh this like super swat you know force that had a lot of money in a lot of equipment and what you see immediately after that is in situations like ruby ridge or waco where um they have all this equipment and it sitting there in it creates in extra pressure to start uh militarising in using a greater force as opposed to you know coming into a situation in just trying you know trying time in an communication yeah yeah i think it it's to fall to you have to look at waco are thinking on the part of the atf and the.
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"Parts series waco drew dowdell peak co created cole wrote three of the episodes of waco and drew a welcome to on point great to have you thank you so much ethnic it'd beer and druze brother john eric dowdell also cocreated cole road three episodes in directed four episodes of waco john doubted welcome to you quite to have you as well thanks anthony it's nice to be here so i got a bunch of questions for you guys i'm not seeing you face to face so just your brothers you know how to deal with this but uh i'm just going to ask questions and leave it to you who's going to answer but tell us why you wanted to tell the story 25 years later for tv you don't we kind of john i like to say that it the story kind of found us in a way it's an event that we remember very clearly from back in the day 1993 i was a senior in high school and john was a software in college that we are old enough to remember the events very well uh and we always thought that there was just a lot more to that story than than the media you know told us at the time and there's a lot that came out that congressional hearings after the fact that were really interesting and upsetting um and as far as making it into a show mate was not something we intended to do really until we um uh working out something completely different and john actually uh stumbled on david tip it owes book looking for a first hand account of surviving a called and we kind of we're going down a path of you and let me to coffin there david noon dole is a surviving member of the branch davidians um one of the few surviving members right from from the branch davidians that's cracked he was one of nine survivors of the fire and uh it was interesting like it you know we were looking to find something on you know what a crazy call it looks like and we found his book in he was living in hollywood at 2003 met david crash at the guitar centre on sunset boulevard and ended up joining david crashes ban.