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Fresh update on "ukraine" discussed on Bill Cunningham
"Well in the book fall out that that I just finished writing with same burner we we traced the origins of the Russia collusion narrative two, thousand nine and the failed Obama policy, and which they tried to reboot relations with Vladimir, Putin and most of the last thirty years before that we followed the Reagan doctrine, which is peace through strength, which is we're not going to give away freebies to our enemies. We're going to be strong, and eventually they will fall to our our wishes. We'll find a peaceful way to resolve things through strength. The Obama Biden couldn't team chose. An appeasement strategy, which is we're GONNA make Russia fall in love with us because we're going to give him lots of things we're going to give them billions of dollars of nuclear contracts making American electric customers and their utilities dependent on Russian uranium. For years to come, we're going to give them twenty percent of the uranium or under our ground known as the uranium one transaction. We're GONNA spend hundreds of millions of dollars helping them build a rival to our Silicon Valley called skokie Vo outside of Moscow which by the way, today has become a military espionage outpost spying on American technology. After a Vladimir Putin got everything he wanted out of. Obama. He pulled the carpet out from underneath him and in two thousand fourteen, he invaded Ukraine. Ukraine of course, leads to Joe Biden and taking over that portfolio and Hunter Biden swooping in and cashing in on the Iranian natural gas company called breeze. Man. By the time twenty, six Rolls Around Hillary Clinton has done a poll. It's a private, not the type that they put out to get press to try to measure her liabilities and of all the things that were controversies in her life Whitewater Benghazi, the email scandal, the Asia money raising scandal. None of them registered as the number one reason Americans wouldn't vote for him in two, thousand, sixteen, the number. One reason, the fall showed fifty, three percent of Americans said, they didn't like the fact that Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton appear to have cashed in on the failed Russia policy. So she sets out in two thousand sixteen after getting that polling data to neutralize the issue Russia to scare Republicans off from using brushing against because her her big Achilles heel and that's what.
Russia, China and Iran seeking to influence US ahead of elections, top intelligence official says
"Better question Might be. WHO doesn't Russia is engaged in a disinformation campaign targeting former Vice President Joe Biden a soon to be Democratic presidential nominee that word from the office of director of National Intelligence in a statement from its expert on election security at the same time, according to the statement, China and Iran are looking to spread disinformation. You heard President Trump's chances of re election providing though the Russia efforts seem to include help with spreading stories about Hunter Biden the approach of Moscow, Ukrainian officials The Senate Government Affairs Committee, led by Ron Johnson, and specifically launched an investigation into the Biden's in Ukraine. But Costantini Washington the Federal Reserve says
Fresh update on "ukraine" discussed on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory
"Get good press is to try to measure her liabilities. And of all the things that were controversial in their life. Whitewater Benghazi email scandal, The Asia money raising scandal. None of them registered as the number one reason my Americans wouldn't vote for 2016 the number one reason Paul showed 53% of Americans said they didn't like the fact that Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton appeared to have cashed in on the failed Russian policy. So she sets out in 2016 after getting that polling data to neutralize the issue of Russia to scare Republicans off from using, brushing against because it's her Herbig Achilles heel. And that's what leads to the opposition research project. The hiring of fusion GPS the hiring of Christopher Steele, the dossier which ultimately has walked into the FBI, So in the end of the day, it was a political dirty trick. Designed to cover up the Obama, Biden, Clinton failures on Russia and the fact that so many Democrats while that policy was failing, were cashing in with you $500,000 speech fees for Bill Clinton and knowing the dollars from the Clinton Foundation and Consulting arrangements with Gil binds energy consultant and and also John Podesta, the chairman of the Clinton campaign, getting a large investment on a clean energy company, where he sat on the board, so they had their hand in the cookie jar on a failed policy. And they wanted to hide that covered up. And so that's what gave us Christopher Steele and when, when Obama leaned over the Medvedev in said after the election tell Vladimir have a lot more flexibility that that was the tip to this murderous dictator that once I get elected in November 2012 on a much more flexibility, and that's how the Clinton Biden dynasties. Literally collected tens of millions of dollars, maybe $100 million personally, But now that we're about 85 or 90 days before the election, the 100 buying connections of charisma is dying. But I'm watching Adam Schiff than others. And some of the morning shows again. Talk about how the Russians want to get, of course, Trump reelected and the Communist Red Chinese believe in something else. They're keeping the Russian collusion delusion going even today, is it because of the Durham investigation coming up? Yes, Absolutely. I think that's one of them. I think also, Senator Ron Johnson and Senator Charles Grassley have been running very quietly. Ukraine investigation that is validating so much of what I originally reported. On the hunter Biden Bree Smith stuff. They have testimony from state officials who said they think that Joe Biden violated the apparent standard that is in the federal ethics laws. They have evidence of suspicious financial transactions. They have a lot of things that they're about to make public in the next 4 to 6 weeks, and I think the Democrats are getting nervous and they're going back to work what they thought worked for them in 2016 which is the fan the planes. Russian collusion one more time. The only problem is the American public is smart to write. They figured out. They got taken for one ride. I think they're far less likely to fall for the second, right. How much money did the Biden Dynasty make out of the Ukrainian policy? Headed up by Joni? I did. Can you monetize how much money the Biden dynasties made? And the last funny we're still working on some deals, right? But we do know just those two. Take them very small one, which is one of Several deals 100 buying was pursuing while his dad was vice president, essentially following in the vapor trail, the vice president's plane and collecting money behind them on the key policy areas of China. Ah, Ukraine, possibly Russia, some other places that we're looking at that when you when you put it all together it just in charisma. Hunter Biden got $3 million to his company. Over a two year period from Ukraine. That's a lot of money out of Ukraine when the economy was slipping and hanging on for dear life, So he got paid a handsome son there now in China, hey was pursuing a $1.5 billion Investment fund opportunity. It doesn't appear that he got all that money and got some of it and ultimately ended up with a 10% stake in the fund. But you're talking big dollars and certainly the pursuit of big dollars, and that's what's concerning. The ethics laws exist for this reason, so that the son or husband or wife or brother of an elected official doesn't try to cash in in the policy decisions that the power the policymaker, the politician. Is making in the case of Hunter Biden. There is not any doubt anymore that that's what he was doing and let's face it much like the don. Who stumbled around in his bathrobe. Kind of mentally incompetent. Don't know what's going on. Maybe the Joe Biden defense might be. You know what I've lost So much of my mental acuity? I have no idea what Hunter Biden was doing. Is that a possible defense? Well, he said that before, you know He's actually said that before the signs of the slippage, he said that about a year ago, I think at the end of the day, the law does not distinguish whether you knew or didn't know. It says you have an obligation to know and to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest. Gobind fail that legal standard. We know that because State Department officials who testified in In the impeachment trial, said that clearly in their depositions, of course, the media didn't focus on the Democrats didn't put it out at the time. But you add state officials working for Joe Biden, who were you know witnesses for Adam Schiff, saying they thought that what Hunter Biden Joe Biden doing was inappropriate. Bad for America, sending a mixed message to Ukraine in crossing the line on the appearance of conflict of interest in Beautiful Once again, John Solomon, You're a great American fallout. Nuclear bribes. Russian spies in Washington lives, then the rich the Clinton and buying dynasties, and the story goes on. I pray to God Durham does his job in the next two day, weeks and Once again, John Solomon. Thank you for coming on the Bill Cunningham show you're a great American. Thank you. It is my pleasure. Thank you. God bless you. My Let's continue with more. Incredible. Unbelievable. Coming up. Next is Hogan Gidley, Who's the main spokesman for the Trump campaign, former deputy a press secretary in the White House and more Bill Cunningham with you every Sunday night. Use radio 1080. Okay. Mike.
Elizabeth Wetmore: Valentine
"Today. I'm very pleased and excited. My favorite thing on bookworm is when I'm talking to a first novelist. And it someone whose work I have not previously known my guest on the show today is a booth wet more Beth wet more. Her book is called Valentine. It's published by Harper and it's novel. Beth. Wet more is fifty three years old and this is her first. Book, she's published many short stories in many of the best literary journals, the Kenyon, Review Colorado Review but this is her first time in hardcover. Tell me Beth what feel nights is finally see the book in hardcover. Well. It's all been a little unreal honestly. I worked on the book for a long time and I was ready to have the editor sort of wrestle out of my hands. Honestly I think if if she hadn't wrestled it out of my hands, I'd probably still be tinkering with it to tell you the truth and even now I occasionally spot a sentence or a paragraph that I think, Oh, I'd like to have a do over on that. But on the whole, it's been wonderful and surprising to me I think I. Expected The book to come out very quietly and and so it's been. Marvelous to see how many people have reacted to it in such a positive way and how meaningful it's been to some people. Yes the book has made its debut as number two when it came out on the New York Times bestseller list and it's set where Beth was born in West Texas in Odessa. Now, if you're me, you think Odessa that's near where my family come from in Russia this is Odessa in. West Texas how does it get its name? Well it depends on who you ask You know the they're part of Texas was settled pretty late in the early eighteen eighty s and depending on on what piece of local you believe it was it was named Odessa in part because of the sort of grasslands that that people said resembled the Odessa in Ukraine. And and and that's really been the most sort of certain story I've heard. No was Texas. is known for its. Economy. I'm sure most of my listeners will know this but what is an oil patch? Well. Odessa is in the Permian Basin which is about eighty, six, thousand square miles inside. So and and of course, West Texas and. is is even more vast right than the Permian basin and it's an oil and natural gas rich region of the country I read recently actually that actually until the until the pandemic, it was on pace to outpace Saudi Arabia for the biggest production in world in the next five years That's slow down and been derailed a little bit by the pandemic of course but it's so an oil patches you know a a part of the world where that is the single economy oil and natural gas. It's not a particularly pretty place in the world at least not by most people's standards I think it's beautiful. There's no other way to make a living out there other than working oil and natural gas and Odessa where I grew up on differs slightly from it sort of sister city, of Midland, which is about twenty three miles away in the sense that Odessa's a very working class town most of the people who live and work in Odessa do the. Blue collar work of the oil patch. So they work is the roughnecks and pipe lawler's and fitters and water haulers and That's still even today a pretty male dominated industry women in that part of the world tend to work in support roles as bartenders and waitresses preschool teachers, teachers, that sort of thing So that's where I grew up.
Senate Holds Confirmation Hearing For Trump's New Pick For Ambassador To Ukraine
"Update now on two important diplomatic vacancies. One is the post of U. S ambassador to the Ukraine. The last woman who held that Senate confirmed job was a central figure in President Trump's impeachment. And now the president's pick for the job is facing some lingering question in his own confirmation hearing. NPR's Michelle Kelemen reports President Trump's ouster of the ambassador to Ukraine featured prominently in his impeachment trial. Marie Ivanovich face to smear campaign by Trump's private lawyer Rudy Giuliani, who had been pressing Ukraine to get dirt on Vice President Joe Biden. Senator Bob Menendez, the ranking Democrat on the Foreign Relations Committee, says that's still happening. Giuliani Esteban, Savory Ukrainian characters have not let up their efforts to use Ukraine to interfere in U. S politics. Others in the Senate seem intent on amplifying their efforts. Menendez wants the new nominee, retired Lieutenant general Keith Dayton, to avoid playing into this and avoid any meetings with Giuliani. Senator I'm not going to commit to that, because I believe that as an ambassador, I would have the obligation to meet with any U S citizen and hear them out. It was a home. Dayton has been a defense attache in Moscow, a security advisor for the U. S on the Israeli Palestinian conflict, and, in recent years has run the George Marshall European Center for Security Studies in Germany. He's well versed on Ukraine, but his answers frustrated both Menendez and another Democrat Chris Murphy. So at the end of the hearing, he did offer this reassurance. Ify is the U. S ambassador and key Have any indication that there is any kind of election interference going on using Ukraine as a azalea ever to do that? I would, of course, report that directly to this committee. I think you have a right to know that I think I have an obligation to report that to Dayton says his priorities in the country, if confirmed, would be to help Ukraine fight corruption and beef up Ukraine's Navy and Air force. Next door in Belarus. The U. S is reviving diplomatic relations in part because of Russia's aggression. In Ukraine. Career diplomat Julie Fisher has been tapped to run the U. S embassy in Minsk. Our relationship with Belarus languish for more than a decade. But after Russia's illegal seizure and occupation of Crimea, and it's manufactured war in Ukraine stone best region, we began to see signs of interest from the Belarussian sign. Belarus recently bought US crude oil to decrease its dependence on Russia and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo visited Minsk earlier this year. But the's warming ties will be tested by an election this Sunday, and Fisher face questions about that the first component to ensuring that we can continue to grow this relationship. Not see steps backward in the conduct of this presidential election. The long time ruler Alexander Lukashenko is facing a united opposition in the run up to this election, and his regime has been cracking down. There will be no international monitors, though Fisher says the U. S embassy will be watching the vote closely. What we are trying to get Johnny is basically to ensure that there is space to ensure their space for more than one voice. In this country. Lukashenko kicked out the less U. S ambassador to Belarus in 2008 after the US accused his government of human rights violations and tighten sanctions. Michelle Kelemen NPR NEWS Washington
Sandworm: A New Era of Cyberwar and the Hunt for the Kremlin's Most Dangerous Hackers
"Everybody from the British. Ask this week's interview. Episode has any Greenberg senior writer at wired. He just SORTA book called Sand Worm New Era of cyber war in the hunt for the Kremlin's Miss, dangerous hackers, it is all about hacking group inside of the Russian government called San Worm. They were responsible for the most damaging cyber warfare attacks over the past year there behind not PECI. The hackers took out in the mayor shipping line hospitals across the U. K San has totally escalated. What we think of Cyber War, and he's book gets all into how they were discovered how they were flushed out the. The intricacies of these various hacks. It's super interesting. The book is a thrill ride. If you're looking for something that isn't the virus. This is like a thriller, a highly recommended. It was really fun to talk to her about the stuff. one thing I. WanNa know we're all at home so during this in every might hear some kids in the background. I asked you just be a little forgiving that we're all. We're all dealing with it and he was a great interview. Check Out Sandy Greenberg of sand worm, a new era of cyber war and the hunt for the Kremlin's most dangerous hack. Any Greenberg your senior writer at wired you're also the author of Sand Worm, new era of cyber war in the hunt for the Kremlin's most dangerous. Welcome glad to be here so even writing about cybersecurity frontier I think you just said two thousand six and writing about Cybersecurity, but this book sand worm as I was reading it. It seems like it's called the new era of cyber war. It seems like there's been a huge turn in sort of state-sponsored. Particularly Russians sponsored cyber attacks. How did you come onto that notion? How did you begin reading this book I'm I'm very curious how you see. See that turn happening well. In late twenty sixteen, my former colleague Kim Zetter she had been the one who really covered state sponsored hacking in cyber war stuff, but she left wired, and this was also at the time. When you know Russian hackers were meddling in the US election, they'd hacked the democratic. National Committee and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the Clinton Campaign, so my editors were really primes on face, mantra hacking all of a sudden, but what they? They really what they told me they wanted was a actually like a big takeover of the whole magazine. All about cyber war, but cyber war to me is different than those kinds of espionage election, meddling tactics so I went looking for no real cyber war story, which means to me like a actual disruptive cyber attacks, and as I looked around. It seemed like the place where that was really happening was in Ukraine not really in the US in fact maybe. Maybe what was happening in? Ukraine seemed to me like it was in some ways, the only real full blown cyber war that was actually occurring where Russian hackers were not just attacking the election which they had done, they tried this spoof the results of a presidential election, but they had also attacks media and destroyed their computers. They had attacked government agencies and tried to like destroy entire networks, and then they had turned off the power for the first time. In December of two thousand, fifteen, the the first actual blackout triggered by hackers, and just as I was look into this happened again the the effect, the seem hacker group caused a blackout this time in the capital of Kiev so I wince looking in Ukraine for this cyber war story that. Turned into a cover story for wired that kind of gave editors what they wanted, but then also kept unfolding This cyber war kept growing in scope and scale and. The original story written for wired was kind of about the fact that you could look to Ukraine to see the future of cyber war that will what was happening. There might soon spread to the rest of the world. And that is actually what happens to like just after we publish that cover story to same hackers released this climactic terrible cyber attack in Ukraine. Called Not Petiot that spread beyond Ukrainians became the worst cyberattack history cost ten billion dollars, so when that happened, that was when I saw that there was potential to do a book about this that it was not just a kind of case study about Ukraine or even kind of predictive story, but a an actual full story arc about this one group that had carried out the what I would say was not only the first. First Real Cyber War, but the worst cyberattack in history and the you know I wanted to capture the the Ark of that story in the effects, the real experience of cyber war. Yeah, so the group is called sand worm in this is just one of the the sort of opening arcs of the book is how they've come. They come to be named this because references and code walk people through just like it's so. relatable that like even these hackers are using using this language that leads them recalled Sandwich Tell people about it. So when I started to look into the origins of this group after that second blackout attack I I found that this this company called eyesight partners which have been acquired by fire I I, said partners was the first to find these hackers in twenty, fourteen, basically using fishing in kind of typical espionage tactics, plant malware in the networks of typical Russian hacking targets like groups across Eastern, Europe and NATO in a look like what they were doing was just kind of typical espionage. They were planning. This by wear calls lack energy buds will first of all they could see that they were rushing, because they had this server that they were using to administer some of these attacks and they. They left the server, so anybody could look at it in. There was a kind of Russian language to file for how to use black energy on the service, so these guys seem like they were rushing, but even more interesting in some ways. was that they to track each victim each instance of black energy? This malware has little campaign code in each campaign was a reference to the science fiction novel Dune and you know so like one of them was something about Iraq is, and then one of them is about the sutter cars, these like imperial soldiers in in that SCI FI universe so I said partners named this group sand worm, because well just because it's a cool. Name associated with doing, but it turned out to me. It became this very powerful because a sandwich miss this monster that lies beneath the surface, and occasionally arises from underground to do terribly destructive things. partners didn't know that at the time, they they soon afterward realized what sand. was doing was not just espionage, but they were actually doing reconnaissance for disruptive cyberattacks. They were also hacking power grids. They were planning black energy, not only in the European Eastern European targets in the US power grid networks as well. The Ultimately Syndrome was the first twenty fifteen to cross that line in use black energy as the first step in a multi step attack that led to a blackout. So this was not just espionage really was kind of like you know this monster that rises from under the ground to do terrible acts of mass destruction that came to pass so one of the things that comes up over in the book. Is this growing sense of dread from security researchers and analysts? Oh this is an imminent threat to the united. States just Ukraine, but like this is happening here and then there's a sense that the United States actually open the door to this kind of warfare with stuxnet. which was an attack on Iran? How how did those connect for you that it seemed like there's a new rule of engagement new set of rules of engagement for cyber warfare that actually the United States implicitly created with with stuxnet by attacking Iran. Yeah, I mean I tried to highlight. Clearly sand worm are the real bad guys in the story, they are the actual hacker group that did these terribly reckless destructive attacks that actually in some cases put people's lives at risk, the kind of in some parts of the story they actually shutdown medical record systems and I. Think may have cost people's lives with cyber attacks today they are the actual antagonist here, but I also want to highlight the ways that the US government is is partially responsible for the state of Cyber War, and there are a few ways that that's true. I The US! Open the Pandora's box of cyber war with stuxnet. This piece of now where that. That was used to destroy Iranian nuclear enrichment centrifuges that was the first piece of our that actually have caused that physical disruption destruction, and we now see Sandra doing the same thing in Ukraine. In in fact, in some ways around the world, also the the US hordes, these kind of zero day, secret hacking techniques, some of which were stolen and leaked and used by sand worm, but then I think the in fact, the biggest way that I tried to highlight that the US is responsible or complicit or negligent. Here is that we did not call allows what Santorum was doing in Ukraine and say to Russia. We know what you're doing. This is unacceptable. Nobody should be turning out the lights. Two civilians with cyber attacks. There wasn't a message like that I. mean the Obama White House sent a message to Russia over this kind of cyber hotline to say your election hacking is not okay. We see what you're doing and we want you to stop, but they said nothing about a tube blackout attacks in Ukraine, and that was kind of implicit signal to Russia. They could keep. Keep escalating, and even as all the cyber security, researchers and Ukrainians were warning that what was happening to Ukraine, would soon spread to the rest of the world, the US government ignore this both Obama, and then the trump administration until that prediction came to pass and a sand worm cyberattack did spread to the rest of the world, and it was too late, and we all suffered globally as a result, so let's talk about patch it. WAS CATASTROPHIC IN SCOPE, right? It took out the mayor shipping line, which is a massive business. It took out some hospitals in UK like it was huge in scope. I don't think people really put it all together. Talk about how it started and how big it grew. Yeah, so not too was kind of like big apotheosis sandwich, where all of these predictions of the terribly destructive things they were doing to the rest of the world came to pass but it did it started in Ukraine. They hijacked this. The the software updates of this accounting software called me doc that is basically used by everybody in Ukraine. The quicken turbo tax of Ukraine. If you do business in Ukraine, you have to have this installed, so sanborn hijack the updates of that news to push out this worm to thousands of victims mostly in Ukraine, but it was a worm, so it's spread the mmediately end quickly kind of carpet bombs. The entire Ukrainian Internet's every computer at spread to would encrypt permanently. You could not recover the computer, so it very quickly took down pretty much every. Every Ukrainian government agency twenty two banks multiple airports for hospitals in Ukraine that I. could count and in each of these cases. What is eight took them down. I mean it destroyed essentially all of their computers, which requires sometimes weeks or months to recover from, but then as you know, this is a worm that does not respect national borders. So even though it was, it seemed to be an attack intended to disrupt Ukraine. It immediately spread beyond Ukraine's borders. Borders to everybody who had this accounting software installed? That was doing business in Ukraine and some people who didn't so that includes Maersk. The world's largest shipping firm and Fedex and Mondelez, which owns cadbury, NABISCO and ranking manufacturing firm that makes tylenol in Merck. The Pharmaceutical Company in New Jersey on each of these companies lost hundreds of millions of dollars. The scale of this is kind of difficult to capture but I in the book I tried to. To I focused in part Maersk because it is just a good company to look at because you can. They had this gigantic global physical machine that is they have seventy six ports around the world that they own as well as these massive ships that have tens of thousands of shipping containers on them. And I told the story of how on this day seventeen of their terminals of were entirely paralyzed by this attack with ships arriving with just. Piles of containers on them. Nobody could unload. Nobody knew what was inside of nobody knew how to load or unload them with around the world of seventeen terminals, thousands of trucks, Semitrailers, carrying containers were lining up in Lyons miles long because the gates that were kind of checkpoints to check in the these trucks to drop something off or pick it up. They were paralyzed as well. This was a fiasco on a global scale is responsible for a fifth of the world's lable shipping capacity. They were truly just a rendered brain dead by this attack, but yeah displayed out at all of these different victims MERC had to borrow their own each vaccine from the Center for Disease Control because they're manufacturing. Manufacturing was disrupted by this, and it ultimately spread to a company called nuance, nate speech to text software. They have a service that does this for hospitals across the US to dozens of our possibly hundreds of American hospitals at this backlog of transcriptions to medical records that were lost because of this, and that resulted in patients, being do for surgeries or transfers, other hospitals in nobody knew their medical records were updated. I mean this was scale where hundreds of hospitals each of which has thousands of patients missing changes the medical records. We don't know what the effects of that work, but very well could've actually harmed people's health. Our lives I mean the scale of not petty is very difficult to. Get your mind around, but we do know that you know monetarily cost ten billion dollars, which is by far the biggest number we've ever seen, but it also had this this kind of harder to quantify toll on people's lives, so it it you know you read about it at length and wired. Obviously these companies go down of ripples in mainstream sort of general press, but I don't feel like people really not like Oh. This Russian group called San Worms sponsored by the Russian government. Unleash this attack in it caused this cascading effect of failure and disaster cost in that because we know what we can attribute it to the government, our government. I don't feel like that connection got made for people. What is the gap between other as a hack and Oh, this is actually a type of warfare engagement, because that that connection seems very tenuous. I think for a lot of people. Even as sort of the more general mainstream press covers this stuff. Yeah, you know. I don't think that that's is just like the nature of. Of Cyber War I think that was a failing that that lack of connection is a failing on our government's parts, and on you could say even on the part of some of these victims like these large companies I mean I at the time did not pitch it happened. I was fully on the trail of standard within days. I was talking to cyber security researchers who? Who had piece together? Some of the forensics to show the not petiot was Sandra that it was a Russian state-sponsored attack in yet none of those companies that I mentioned mercker Mondelez or Maersk or Fedex, or any of them wanted to say the Russia had done this to them and know governments were talking about either like the Ukrainian government was. They're always willing to point. Point the finger at Russia, but the US government was not, and you know that to me seemed to be just kind of I mean I felt like I was being gas. Let's at that point. I had watched Russia due to Ukraine for a long time at that point tonight. I sort of understood that NATO in the West. We had this kind of cruel logic that. Ukraine is not us. Russia can do what it likes to Ukraine because they're not NATO not e you. They are Russia's sphere of influence or something I think that that's very wrongheaded, but at least it made sense. You know to have that that viewpoints, but now this attack had spread from Ukraine to hit American soil American companies in many cases and yet still the US government was saying nothing I just thought this was bizarre and you know so i. For months I was like. Trying to get any of these companies to tell the story of of their experiences, not Peta I was trying to figure out why the US government wasn't talking about the fact that this was a Russian cyberattack and ultimately I. Think it was I. think it was kind of I know partly disorganization negligence. I think it may have something to do with the fact that the. The? Trump administration doesn't like talking about Russian hackers for obvious reasons, but eight months after it took eight months ultimately for the US government to finally say not that it was a was Russia it was the worst cyberattack in history, and then a month later. The White House impose consequences in put new sanctions on Russia and response, but it took nine months and more importantly it took. Multiple years this without was the first time this was twenty eighteen, and the Russian cyber war in Ukraine had started around the fall of Twenty fifteen, so that's just incredible span of negligence when the US government said nothing about these escalating unfolding. Acts, of Cyber Award that there should have been unacceptable from the very beginning I mean these are the kind of quintessential acts of state sponsored cyber attacks on civilians, trying out the lights. You know that's the kind of thing that I believe that the US government should have called out and drawn a red line across at the very beginning took ears, so I do think it was a big failing. Of of diplomacy, it just seemed like that part of the problem, and this is kind of an expression is it's so hard to describe like if the Russian government sent fighter jets to America and live their support. Okay, like everyone understood, you can see it. You can understand what happened there. In the you know, there's like a however many decades of movies about how to fight that war. This is a bunch of people in a room typing. Like it there's just an element of this where the dangerous Oh federal where the attack is invisible, and while the effects might be very very tangible, the causes are still sort of mysterious people so. My question is who is sandwich. What what do we know about them? Where do they work? What are they like? Do we have a sense of how this operation actually operates? In some ways the the biggest challenge of reporting this book, and I spent essentially the third act of the book, the last third of the reporting of the book, trying to answer the question of who is in worm, who are these people? Where are they located? What motivates them and I guess to partially spoil the ending here. They are a unit of the year you. They are a part of Russia's military intelligence agency, which is responsible for you know, this is not a coincidence. They are responsible for election meddling responsible for the attempted assassination of You. chemical weapons in the United Kingdom they're responsible for the downing of a seventeen as commercial passenger jet over Ukraine were three hundred innocent people died on the G. R.. You are this incredibly reckless callous out military intelligence agency, but they act like kind of almost just cut through mercenaries around the world. Doing Russia's bidding in ways that are very scary, so I threw essentially like a combination of excellent work of a bunch of security researchers who I was speaking to combined with some confirmation from US intelligence agencies, and then ultimately some other clues from the investigation of Robert Muller into meddling all these things combined created the trail that led to one group within the JERE. You that were you know I? Eventually had some names and faces even address of this this group, and all that was actually only finally fully confirms After the book came out Justin in recent months when the White House finally actually was the State Department's. End as well as the UK on Australian and other governments together finally said yes, sand worm is in fact that this unit of the year you so this theory that I developed in positive near the end of the book was finally basically confirmed by governments just in recent months. So one thing that strikes me at that is I, think of the Russian military things. Gru is being foreboding being obviously, they're very very good at this other a buttoned up in then they have like a incredible social media presence that kind of POPs up throughout the book that distracts from what doing. They set up Gucci for two point Oh when they were doing the DNC hacks that fed to wikileaks in the. That account insisted it was just guy. They set up the shadow brokers which was. I read. It is just like your some goof-balls like they wanted to seem a lot dumber and a lot smaller than they were. They were very effective at it to people I. Talk About those that strategy, and then I guess my question have is like a re better at seeing that strategy for what it is well. You make a really interesting point. The uses these false flags like throughout their recent history that we I should say we don't know that they were responsible for shadow brokers. In fact, nobody knows who shot a brokers. The shadow brokers truly are, and they are in some ways the biggest mystery in this whole story, this one group that hacked the NSA apparently and leaked a bunch of their zero day hacking techniques, or maybe they were even say insiders. We still don't know the answer to that question, but the other other incidents you mentioned. That are you are responsible for this Guja for two point zero fake hacktivists leaked a bunch of the Clinton documents. They're responsible for other false flags like they at one point to call themselves the Cyber Caliphate pretended to be Isis. They've a pretended to be like patriotic pro. Russian Ukrainians at some point they they're always like wearing different masks ends. They're very deceptive. in the a later chapter of the book, some of the biggest one of the biggest attacks they. They did was this attack on the twenty thousand Olympics where they not only wore a false mask, but they actually had layers of false flags where as cyber security researchers W. This melwert was used to destroy the entire back end of the two thousand eighteen winter Olympics. Just as the opening ceremony began, this was a catastrophic events. The aware had all of these fake clues made look like it was Chinese or North Korean or maybe Russian. Nobody could tell it was like. It was this kind of confusion bomb almost designed to to just make researchers throw up their hands. Give up on attributing mallards. Any particular actor was only through some amazing detective work by some of the analysts that I spoke to the able to cut through those false flags identify that sand was behind this essentially, but yeah, it's it is a one very real characteristic of the jury you that they are almost they seem to almost take pleasure or like be showing off their deception capabilities to and their evolving those capabilities they are getting more deceptive over time as fake gets more, destructive aggressive. Advertising content when I say Utopia what comes to mind? Birds Chirping lush natural beauty dialed up and vibrant technicolor. Is it within reach. Your world. World. explained. You are an essential part of the Pathak social body. Everybody in that place. Everybody happy now. While the peacock original series brave new world takes place in a scientific futuristic utopia. The concept is nothing new Sir Thomas more. 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Not Connected Right, but the way they throughout the book the way they execute East campaigns they're deeply connected, and that seems like not only just a new kind of warfare, and you kind of craft, but some just consistently seems to work in surprising ways like the tech press is GonNa. Be Like Gucci. I says this and we're. There's never that next step of also we think it's Russian government, and that seems like first of all I'm dying. I imagine the meeting right. I would love to be a fly on the wall of the meeting where they decide what their twitter name is going to be today. I'm very curious how they evolve those attacks in such a way that it just seems to be more and more effective time. Yeah, I mean. I also love to have been those meetings in. It's my one kind of regret in this book that I never actually got. Interviews, it's almost an impossible thing to do. They liked find defectors from the R., you or something. He will tell those stories at a knock it murdered I mean. It's kind of a possible, but but. In some cases? I think your earlier points. They almost seem kind of bumbling in these things they do them in a very improvisational way. for two point Oh seemed almost like it was a justice thing they invented on the spot, tried to cover up some of the the accidental ups like they had left russian-language formatting errors in the documents that they had leaked from the DNC, so they admitted this guy who appeared the next day and started. Talking about being a Romanian. Friends as motherboard Lorenza, Franceschi decry he started this conversation. Align with with Guja for two point, oh basically proved at the guy could not actually properly speak Romanian. BE Russian speaker. In fact, it was. It was almost comical at the same time. They're using very sophisticated hacking techniques doing destructive attacks on a massive scale, but they're also. They seem like they're kind of making it up as they go along. They do things that don't actually seem very kind of strategically smart. They kind of seem like they're trying to impress their boss for the day. Sometimes with just like some sometimes, it's just seems like the Jere. You wakes up in asks themselves. Like what can we blow up today? Rather than thinking like? How can we accomplish the greater strategic objectives of the Russian Federation? So they are fascinating in that way and very stringent colorful group. That's I think one of the biggest questions I have here is. We spend a lot of time trying to imagine what flat and Mirror Putin wants. You know when he grows up, but it. None of this seems targeted like what is the goal for Russia to disrupt the Winter Olympics right like. Is there a purpose to that? Is that just a strike fear? Is it just to? EXPAND THAT SUV influenced. Is it just to say we have the capability furious is there? has there ever really been the stated goal for this kind of cyber warfare? That one is particularly mystifying. I mean you can imagine why Russia would want to attack the Olympics. They were banned from the two thousand Eighteen Olympics doping, but then you would think that they might want to attack the Olympics and send a message maybe like eight deniable message a message that you know if you continue to ban us. We're GONNA. Continue to attack you like like any terrorists would do, but instead they attacked the winter. Olympics in this way, that really seemed like they were trying not to get caught, and instead like make it look like the was Russia North Korea? And then you have to like what is the point of that was? The could kind of. Sit there in Moscow and kind of like rub their hands together in gleefully. Watch this chaos unfolds. It almost really does seem like it was petty vindictive thing that they just for their own emotional needs wanted to make sure that nobody could enjoy the Olympics if they were not going to enjoy them I that was, but that one is i. think outlier in some ways for the most part you can kind of see. The Russia is advancing. The G. R. You that sand worm is advancing something that does generally make sense which is that. In Ukraine for instance, they're trying to make Ukraine look like a failed state. They're trying to make Ukrainians. Lose faith in their security. Services are trying to prevent investors globally from funneling money into Ukraine trying to create a kind of frozen conflict, as we say in Ukraine where there's this constant perpetual state of degradation. They're not trying to conquer the country, but they're trying to create a kind of permanent war in Ukraine and would cyber war. You can do that beyond the traditional front end. It is in some ways the same kind of tactic that they used in other places like the US which. which here we saw more than influence operation that they were hacking leaking organizations like democratic campaign organizations and anti doping organizations to kind of so confusion to embarrass on their targets. They're trying to influence like the international audiences opinion these people, but in Ukraine, it is in some ways, just a different kind of influence operation where they're trying to influence the world's view of Ukraine. Influence Ukrainians view of their themselves under government to make them feel like they are in a war zone even when their kid hundreds of miles from the actual fighting. That's happening on the eastern fronts in the eastern region of. Of Ukraine so in a book you you you go to Kiev. You spent time in Ukraine. Is there a sense in that country that while sometimes light goes out sometimes our TV stations. Their computers don't boot anymore. Because they got rewritten, the Hydros got Zeros like. Is there a sense that this is happening? Is there a sense the defy back is there does Microsoft deploy you know dozens of engineers to to help fight back. How does that play out on the ground there? Yeah, I mean to be fair. Ukrainians are very stoic about these things and regular. Ukrainian citizens were not bothered by you know. Know a short blackout. They didn't particularly care you know. This blackout was the first ever. Hacker induced blackout in history but Ukrainian cyber security. People were very unnerved by this end, people in these actual utilities were traumatized I mean these attacks were truly like relentless sins very kind of scary for the actual operators at the controls I mean in the first blackout attack. These poor operators Ukrainian control room in western Ukraine they were locked out of their computers, and they had to watch their own mouse cursor. Click through circuit breakers, turning off the power in front of them I. Mean They watched it happen? At these kind of Phantom hands to control of their mouse movements, so they took this very very seriously, but yet Ukrainians as a whole I mean they have seen a lot. They are going through an actual physical war. They've seen the seizure of Crimea and the invasion of the east of the country. You know the the date hits. A Ukrainian general was assassinated with a car bomb in the middle of Kiev, so they have a lot of problems, and I'm not sure that cyber war is one of the top of their minds, but not patio I. Did, actually reach Ukrainians normal. Ukrainian civilians to it. It shook them as well. I talked to two regular Ukrainians. who found that they couldn't swipe into the Kiev Metro. They couldn't use their credit card at the grocery store. All the ATM's were down The Postal Service was taken out for every computer that the postal service had was taken out for more than a month. I mean these things really did affect people's lives, but it kind of. A until that kind of climactic worm. Not Patio for I think for this to really reach home for Ukrainians. who have kind of seen so much. How do you fight back? I, mean I one of things that struck me as I was reading. The book is so many of the people you talked to people who are identifying the threat. They're actually private companies. Eyesight was the first even detect it. they are contractors to intelligence agencies the military in some cases, but they're not necessarily the government right like it's not necessarily Microsoft. Who has to issue the patches from the software not necessarily GE which makes simplicity, which is the big industrial controls talk about a lot. How does all that come together into a defense because that seems like harder problem of coordination? Yeah, I mean defense in Cyber. Security is in an eternal problem. It's incredibly complicated, and when you have a really sophisticated determined adversary, it know they will win eventually ends I. think that they're absolutely lessons for defense in this book about you know. Maybe you need to really really think about software updates for instance like the kind that were hijacked to a with this medoc accounting software. As a vector for terrible cyber-attacks. Imagine that like. Any of your insecure apps that have kind of updates can be become a a piece of Malware, really unique to signature networks need to think about patching on. There are just an endless kind of checklist of things to every organization needs to do to protect themselves so. In some ways that just like a Sisyphean task and I don't. I don't try to answer that question in the book because it's too big, and it's kind of boring as well, but what I do really hammer on is the thing that the government's really could've done here. which is to try to establish norms tried to control attackers through diplomacy through kind of disciplinary action through things like kind of Geneva Convention for Cyber War if. If you think about a kind of analogy to say like chemical weapons, we could just try to give everyone in the world a gas mask that they have to carry around with them at all times, or we could create a Geneva. Convention norm that chemical weapons should not be used in if they are than crime, and you get pulled in front of the Hague. Hague and we've done the ladder and I think that in some ways should be part of the the answer to cyber war as well we need to establish norms and make countries like Russia or like organizations like the G. Are you understand that there will be consequences for these kinds of attacks, even when the victim is not the US or NATO or the? The EU and I think we're only just starting to think about that. One of the questions I had as reading is it seems like a very clear red line for almost everyone you talk to is attacks on the power grid right? That is just unacceptable. You should not do it if you do it. You've crossed a line and there should be some consequence. Is, that clear to governments. Is that something that our government says? It's something that the says it has been established. It seems like it's it's the conventional wisdom wants to salvage, but I'm not unclear whether that is actually the line that exists. It definitely has not been established, and when I kind of did these I managed to get sort of interviews with the top cyber security officials in the Obama ends trump administration Jay Michael Daniel was the cyber. Cyber Coordinator for the administration was the kind of cyber coordinator boss in the The Homeland Security Adviser for trump and both of them when I asked him about like wiped. Why didn't you know to put it bluntly like? Why didn't you respond? When Russia caused blackouts in Ukraine? Both of them essentially said well. You know that's not actually the rule that we want to set. We want to be able to cause blackouts in our adversaries networks. In their power grids when we are in a war situation or when we believe it's in our national interest, so you know that's the thing about these cyber war capabilities. This is part of the problem that every country. Absolutely the US among them isn't really interested in controlling these weapons, because we in this kind of Lord of the rings fashion, we are drawn to them to like we want to maintain the ability to use those weapons ourselves and nobody wants to throw this ring in the fires, of Mount Doom. We all wanted maintain the ring and imagine that we can use it for good in out. So that's why neither administration called that Russia for doing this because they want that power to. Make the comparison to to nuclear weapons but Negotiated drawdown and treaties with Russia in the past we count warheads where aware that the United States stockpiles can destroy the world. Fifty Times over today maybe tomorrow one hundred hundred like what we have a sense of the the measure of force that we can. Put on the world when it comes to nuclear weapons, there's a sense that Oh, we should never use these right like we have them as a deterrent, but we've gained out that actually leads to his mutually assured destruction like there's an entire body of academics. There's entire body of researchers. Entire body is got scenario planning with that kind of weapon. Does that same thing exist for for cyber weapons. There are absolutely. Know community is of academics. Policymakers who are thinking about this stuff now, but I don't think it's kind of gotten through to actual government decision. that. There needs to be kind of cyber deterrence in how that would work. In in the comparison to nuclear weapons is like instructive, but not exactly helpful. In fact, it's kind of counter-productive because we cannot deter cyber-attacks with other cyber-attacks i. don't think that's GonNa work in part because we haven't even tried to establish it yet. There are no kind of rules or read lines, but then I think more importantly. Everybody thinks that they can get away with cyberattacks that they can. They're going to create a false flag. That's clever enough that that when they blow up a power grid, they can blame their neighbor instead, so they think they're. They're gonNA. Get Away with it, and that causes them to do it anyway. A not fear the kind of assured destruction so I think that the the right response, the way to to deter cyber attacks is not with the promise of a cyber attack in return. It's with all the other kind of tools we have, and they've been used sometimes, but but they were not in the case of Sand Werman. Those tools include like sanctions which came far too late in the story indictments of hackers. In some cases, we still haven't really seen syndrome. Hackers indicted for the things that they did in Ukraine or or even not petty. And then ultimately just kind of messaging like calling out naming and shaming bad actors, and that has happened to some degree with Sandra, but in some cases there have still been massive failures there there has still been no public attribution of the Sandwich attack on the twenty eighteen Olympics I mean. My Book has been out for months. I think show pretty clear evidence that syndrome is responsible for this attack. The very least it was Russia and yet the US and Korean War, These Olympics took place at UK, none of these governments have named Russia as having done that. That attack which almost just invites them to do it again whenever our next Olympics are going to be, I guess maybe not this year, but if you don't send that message than you're just essentially inviting Russia to try again so I think might my big question is what happens now? I mean right we you write about. The NSA has tailored access operations, which is their elite hacking group. We are obviously interested in maintaining some of these capabilities. We've come to a place where people are writing books about how it works. What is the next step? What is the next? does it just keep getting worse or does this kind of diplomacy you're talking about? Is that beginning to happen I? Think there is some little glimmers of hope about the diplomacy beginning to happen I mean this year in February I think it was the State Department's called out a sand worm attack on Georgia, where a worms hackers basically took down a ton of Georgian websites by attacking the hosting providers as well as a couple of TV's broadcasters in the US. State Department with a few other governments not. said this was sand. Worm named the unit of the GRU. That's is that was confirmation that I've been looking for for a long time, but they also made a point of saying that we're calling this out is unacceptable, even though Georgia. Georgia is not part of NATO or the U. so that's that's progress. That's essentially creating a new kind of rule. That's state-sponsored. Hackers can't do certain things, no matter who the victims and that's really important. Also, it was kind of interesting because federal officials like gave me a heads up about that announcement before happened, which they have very very rarely do and I think they were trying. To say was in we. We read your book and we. Got The message okay like Stop attacking us about this like we're trying. We're doing something different here I. Don't want flatter myself that I actually changed their policy, but it did seem interesting that they wanted to tell me personally about this so i. I think that like maybe our stance on this kind of diplomacy is evolving, and we're learning lessons, but at the same time we also see the attacks evolving to. To and their new innovations in these kinds of disruption happening, we've seen since some of these terrible Sandra attacks. You know other very scary things like this piece of our called Triton or crisis that was used to disabled safety systems in a oil refinery in Saudi Arabia on that was you know that could have caused an actual physical explosion of petrochemical facility? The the attacks are evolving to okay final last real question. Tell people where they can get your book. You can find all kinds of places by on indie Greenberg Dot net. Written another book as well previously, yes. That's right. I wrote a book about wikileaks. Cypher punks and things like that. That's right well. I'm a huge fan. It was an honor to talk to you. Thank you so much for coming on I know it's. It's a weird time to be talking about anything, but the coronavirus I was very happy to talk about something else, which is that it seems a little bit more in control Even if it is quite dangerous, a thank you for the time. I appreciate it. Yeah, I'm glad to provide people with a different kind of apocalypse as a distraction.
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"And you have Schumer Pelosi. In Biden one hundred twenty five years, Charlie Kirk of failure, unmitigated failure, swap failure and I. Think of my kids. You met my son. He's twenty one years old. My daughter's eighteen and I would think about your America their America and when I say you know, live free or die, American, the world on the brink I'm not joking. And very specifically will be probably the biggest choice election by far in my lifetime, and maybe since eighteen sixty, and there's a lot at stake We can go through the issues if you want, but it's. It's there's there's not one issue we agree on that. I can think of for the most part yet, and you wrote this, and it just really sent chills down my spine. You wrote this book to sound an alarm as a warning. Warning to my fellow patriots about the left's undying commitment turn America into a land, our parents, founders and framers wouldn't recognize it. It's perfectly put, and that's the direction that they're headed on page twenty seven. You have a great part about how Ben Franklin says we ever republic. If you can keep it, can you talk more about how this truly is? A referendum election in some sense and the left is trying to do to our country. Well the the story about Franklin's interesting, because it's, it's the constitutional convention and somebody says he comes out one days, says, is it a monarchy republic republic? If you can keep it Reagan, I quote him off. When I give speeches, said Freedom Charlie and you know this is but one generation away from extinction. And you know when if you want understand if socialism is adopted if their stated goal is adopted America as we know, it then becomes unrecognizable look, I can understand psychologically. There's a component of maybe people that that have been indoctrinated in schools, and you're great at this because you're going in to hostile environments every day, and you're saying you know what there's another way of thinking here, so maybe the idea that people think Charlie that some things are oh, everything's going to be free and they're gonNA forgive my loans at I'll have a guaranteed government job guaranteed government food. How did obamacare workout now? We're GONNA have Medicare for all or or double down on the stupidity of Obamacare and guaranteed retirement. Guaranteed vacation sounds great. But simple math shows you that you'll never get there. And that's why in the Fourth Chapter of the book did this whole history of socialism which is a history of failure? The point is look at the issues. If if we're talking about law and order. They've cited in Portland in Seattle and new. York and Chicago with the radicals. Joe Biden his yet that I know of said one good thing about the ninety nine percent of cops protect and serve and put their lives on the line for us every day. You're right. Okay, so law and order taxes. He's pledging to raise your taxes through the roof. That will destroy the economy Then they're gonNA just add all the bureaucracy. The Donald Trump spent almost four years. Eliminating that'll be gone. That means nobody's GONNA WANNA DO Business. That's why the Biden Obama economy was so bad. Then you look at where now energy independent for the first time in seventy five years with a number, one producer of energy in the world will lose that for sure We'll shut down coal fracking. Oil Gas exploration production those tens of millions of jobs high paying jobs career jobs for people. Then it's about amnesty. Or the United Sanctuary states of America versus Border Security and law and order of never mind foreign policy. We haven't even touched that part yet, so. There's a lot at stake. If those plans stated plans are implemented. America will go down the past you know. The Trash bin of history as Reagan, said Freedom One generation away from extinction we will. It I shudder to think what will happen the three you and your children by kids, and and maybe one day grandkids. ARE READY FOR THAT And I love the framing, because as the founder said either we're GonNa live free and defendant right now, or we're gonNA. Have a country that you know. We don't WanNa live it, and that's really the framing. That is so important right now, and you talk about and I'm really pleased about this. Shawn because I think we have forgotten about the Russia hoax too quickly in. In the conservative movement, you have been the leader on this every night. You were covering it. You didn't let us forget you help. Muller Accountable, you had investigative journalism and it just seemed that an Oxana names, but other conservatives just kind of drifted away from like Oh. That's what happened happened. You have two chapters on this in the book. Can you talk about that? Yeah I mean I call it Charlie, the the biggest corruption abuse of power scandal in history and the Ukraine was oh. Okay, we failed with Muller after three years. We won't. We won't even bother with a special prosecutor not to I'm going backwards here but to get to Ukraine. You? Know they're talking about quid pro quos, but you have to ignore their presidential candidate on video saying you're not getting a billion US tax payer dollars unless you're fire. That prosecutor is named Shokhin. WHO's investigating my son Hunter who went on a and said? Do you have any experience in oil? No Gas, no energy, nope, any experience in Ukraine. Nope, why are you being paid millions? No, because you dad, so there was a quid pro quo and millions of dollars for the Biden I call crime family. That's exactly right, so. Listen and China's even worse. You get to this whole thing what we now know and I believe what's coming. It's like, and this is where the media's corrupt because. They're just the propaganda wing of all things democratic. Socialist. We now know and have all the evidence that we'd ever need is that they protected their favorite candidate. Hillary Clinton. For things you and I and everybody you know that follows you and you have a massive audience would. Literally never get away with. If you had subpoenaed emails Charlie Kirk and you decided to delete them, and you decided to acid. Wash your hard drive with something. I had never heard about bleeped bleach bit and bust up your devices with hammers. You'd go to jail. If you violated the espionage act, you'd go to jail. They protected her. Then the narrative began we now know began in August. We know crossfire hurricane representatives actually went to brief. President Trump General Flynn. Flynn on national security, but they were there to try and get information on trump and Russia, the most amazing part of this, because the Democrats and the media live for all these years is that they knew and they said and they wrote, and they even testified. There was never any evidence, but there was a dirty Russian dossier. And now we know even the New York Times acknowledged full full of Russian disinformation and that was used. And they were warned not to use it, but high ranking people abusing their power, wanting to take out candidate, trump, transition, team, trump, and then deep into the Presidency Donald Trump. They use the dirty Russian misinformation dossier to ruin Carter pages life and roomed his civil liberties and constitutional rights, but more importantly to spy on candidate trump, and then they had their insurance policy. The fact that the mob in the media ignores it is beyond comprehension. I have so I have two chapters. One is on the Russia hoax, and the other is on this whole impeachment witch hunt. And I want everybody in your audience to understand one thing here if I can get one point across. Yeah, they hate Donald Trump, but they hate us more. They think we are as Peter. Struck, said the smell by the way I probably shop at Walmart say money. Why not you have a woman I love Walmart I love COSCO's. I Love I love it all. And I've shopped there my whole life I mean people always stopped me when I'm in a grocery? So, what are you doing here? Shopping? Wa I like to eat a cracks me up. So but think about that. smelly Walmart Shoppers while irredeemable deplorables, wow! Bitter Americans as Obama said that WANNA cling to their God. I'm guilty their Second Amendment Rights Guilty Bibles and religion I'm guilty of that, too. But. It's contempt for your audience. It's contemporary my audience. It's because they knew better. And they will ling. This was an attempted coup. Now do I think there's going to be arrests and prosecutions I? Do spend much slower than any of us would have liked, but the evidence is overwhelming. It's incontrovertible sad actually that this could happen. That was going to be my follow up. Question Sean because when I travel and we get thousands of e mails a on this topic. When are people going to go to jail? And can you give me insight on this? Can you give us any clues any crumbs that we're starting to see from Durham? It's I call them. It's funny. You say crumbs because call them the the Attorney General Bar breadcrumbs. It's like Hansel and Gretel. Remember. We're we're trying to follow and see the trail exactly yeah. He did say that the president was spied on. It did happen illegally. The. Think about this. If you go before Judge Judy I wouldn't WANNA lot because Judge Judy I. I've met her once she'll eviscerate. You I watched her show. You. Don't go before a court. The information that you have not verified. It actually said at the top of a FISO Warren Charlie. It says verified. Okay. We now know the dossier was unverifiable. The sub source we now know, said this this bar talk. We were making this up. This was never meant for anything and again Hillary paid for it funneled money separate issue. And so, what is going to happen I don't have a crystal ball but I. do know all of the facts that are in the public. Are Enough to indict many of the names that your audience is most familiar with. I would argue. Komi McCabe struck page. I'd like to know a clapper. Brennan's role in all of this ends up being and and others. The more fascinating deep question is. Will they get to that January fifth twenty seventeen meeting inside the Oval Office? This is when member Biden said George Stephanopoulos Oh I. Don't know. Anything about this, you know this whole impeachment Russia thing. He was the one same. Bring up the Logan Act fifteen days later Susan Rice in that meeting did the Cya memo the day that Donald Trump was inaugurated. Obama in that meeting shot Sally Age by saying a He. He knew everything about the Kislyak Michael Flynn call. If we look. To sum it up. I think we're GONNA get there because the evidence. Is that overwhelming? If we don't. I fear for the country? Because of you. GonNa Raid Manafort's home predawn raid and you're going to raid Roger Stone's home. For lying to Congress by the all many of the names I mentioned were referred for the same crime and you're gonNA. Pull it twenty nine guys in tactical gear, frogmen and tip off CNN cameras and. Have a biased jury for person. We won't have equal justice and equal application of our laws, and worse than that Charlie is. We lose our constitution. Yes, all our laws are are predicated on next great document and some `perfect, but it creates the path to perfection at a more perfect union so. Long answers. I'M GONNA talk. Show I love it. No, this is what our audience needs to hear, and and thank you for that and look I I completely agree because if we do not have people and I, say this as carefully as I can in handcuffs for what they did Donald Trump then I I will lose faith in the American justice system I. Don't want that and I don't want revenge I don't retribution I want people to be held accountable and I would want the same if someone did this to Barack Obama because it should never happen to a leader ever. Yes. and. They've gone after every single trump friend confidant, and yet if you oppose Donald Trump you get different treatment, talk a lot about the constitution in your book and the founding of our country, Sean going to be honest, I've been very let down by some of these supreme. Court decisions lately Can you comment on that and the importance to get more people like Kavanagh? Who's actually ruled brilliantly? Unlike John Roberts. I! I'm a little. I don't know what's happening. Roberts I have my theory I guess I have my sources people that. have their own ideas based on some knowledge? For whatever reason and I think this goes back to the obamacare decision. He has allowed. How the court appears to influence his decision making. I also sense with no evidence whatsoever. You're not a big fan of president trump, but that should not come into his thinking. Now. If getting rid of bureaucracy and lowering taxes and energy, independence, and securing our borders, and law and order are all part of this election. Let me tell you another big part of it. And it's you know we're taping this ninety. Whatever days away from the Election Day, I what about and we got asked. What about the Supreme Court? Yes, I go through a whole list I. Forget what paid maybe sixty seven I forget. A. In the book. Of. All the things Democrats would do if they're getting power one, is they? WanNa, stack the courts. Get rid of the Electoral College. And I. What, they're saying they. WanNa do is scary. They used to hide it Charlie. When I every single Liberal Democrat running for office, they would run to the left in the primary. They race back to the center, but you knew they wanted the left. There now openly embracing the most radical elements in the country and you know. Unfortunately we're watching it all. Play out nightly on TV and and that sad what I see happening when I think we have to remind a trump supporters that these are not trump appointed justices, a gorsuch I think ruled incorrectly on one ruling. That's it besides that gorsuch and cavenaugh have been tremendous and terrific verses Roberts. I just think we have to give the audience a sense. Sense of continued conviction that the trump appointed justices will continue to rule correctly and Clarence. Thomas and you know the the Thomas Family. They get no credit at all. I mean what he has done. And can you comment on that? 'cause I, E, you've actually been you open my eyes to that like eight years ago and I never learned about Clarence Thomas as a high schooler until you I mentioned it just as a quick aside on his incredible career. I like to do on TV and antidote on radio, too. Sometimes I call it the Hannity history, lesson 'cause I lived through all of this. I know this is going to see. You're not even thirty three, but my radio journey started in nineteen eighty-seven crazy right. Now on my twenty fifth year of Fox, I didn't think I last two. So I feel very blessed. As a side note if you haven't read my grandfather's son. Which is about Clarence Thomas is life. It's amazing. But. You know it's interesting because him and Scalia. To my opinion, my to most favorite justices in my lifetime. Scalia this incredible wit and genius and understanding and. They got a little acerbic side to when when he was questioning Clarence Thomas always set by quietly. What they called a high tech lynching at the time, the more modern. Let it. You gotTA. Remember Yeah. And you know. It was then Senator Ted Kennedy you know Robert Bork's America the borking of America. That was Clarence Thomas. Now we see it more recently cavenaugh. It exposes. The, who is Joe Biden? Who is his team? Because Clarence Thomas and Justice Scalia or the people we need on that court. We call them constitutionalists or originalists, the original intent, not people that would sight foreign law as liberal justices have done or not people that feel that they can rule by judicial Fiat and dictate or legislate from the bench. Democrats always wanted the court to do that which they could never. Do legislatively or win at the ballot box and that's why they want. We call them. Activists Justices Clarence Thomas. has shown a fidelity to the Constitution at the Antony Scalia. That is beyond enviable And the differences styles always interesting, too because Justice Thomas will always be quiet. That's very few questions. Anthony Scalia was in there in a wrestling with people. I don't know about John Roberts. I can't get into it, but I do believe the next president United States is a very good chance. You have a lot of older justices may want to retire. And I think that the next this election in just three short months. That's on the ballot and that's that's generational now. And Sean I think we have to pressure the Biden campaign to do what trump did and release a list of justices I mean president trump was so transparent and Joe Biden hasn't done it yet. Intentionally, of course, because he'll probably put repeated to lieber something on the United States Supreme Court I mean as horrifying as that might be so in two two quick closing question Sean and thank you for being so generous with your time anchorage, everyone you know. Know go by live, free or die. the first is this. Can you just talk about? We are heading into the election. A lot of trump supporters. They're failed. They're falling victim. They suppression pulse I wish that wasn't the case, but it seems like the memory of two thousand sixteen as faded where people forget. We were down by double digits. Can you just give a little vote of confidence to some of our listeners out there? That think we're just losing. I WANNA. Give the vote of confidence, but I want people to feel this way. I want people to think I'll use a football analogy that our mutual friend Linda that you know. Who's your biggest fan? My radio producer? He's amazing. Amazing, but she doesn't even know how many points you get a touchdown, so I'm giving these football analogies. I, want this election. I want people to feel the way I feel which is. We're on our own twenty. Two minutes to go. We have no time outs We're down by six. We got a cross. The plane marched down the field, cross the plane and hit the extra point to win. So if people feel a sense of genuine urgency and worry and concern, I'm cool with that because fear often as a great motivator, not irrational field fear, but if people do not vote, you will get the government that they're telling you. They're going to give you believe. That that is their agenda. To be a Republican and win. You GotTa always use this analogy got to run the table I gotTA. Get Florida Georgia North Carolina can't win without Ohio. No Republican's ever become president without it right? You got hold Iowa then you got pick off Pennsylvania Wisconsin hopefully Michigan maybe MINNEA- Minnesota will be play. Maybe the city of Arizona will be in play. By Joe Biden reference for those of you. That didn't get. We got a hold Arizona Gopher Nevada New Mexico. New Hampshire and Maine's second congressional district. If every single mom, this is a battle cry. You started out this interview with this. I wrote this book not because I like writing books. My last book I donated every Penny I made to charity I don't care. It's not that. This is a tipping point. Charlie this is I, don't. See if these policies are implemented how America recovers. Irreparable harm the to the rule of law to our courts to our economy, they want to wipe out the lifeblood of of the world's economy. This this promise of socialism and I go into such detail about how it's always failed. Here's a quick socialism of example. Member obamacare. Keep your doctor keep your plan. Save on average twenty five hundred dollars a year per family right? Okay. Millions lost their doctors. Millions lost their plans. We're all paying about two hundred percent more and add to that. Forty percent of Americans almost forty percent have only one obamacare Biden Carriage James Choice now. How did they do with that promise? Medicare is going broke. How did they do it? That promised social security. Charlie hate the break this here. He paying into it. You probably won't get it I. Barely Skate through, and they might give me ten cents until they means tested and then take it back, How does it? How did Liberal government work in New York City with all the anarchy cutting a billion dollars, so please? How's IT WORKING IN CHICAGO? All. These liberal cities have where the violence we've been talking about takes place. They all have one thing in common. They've been run by Liberal Democrats for decades right. Most of these states have been run into the ground by Liberal Democrats for decades. If you WANNA know what America will look like if Biden Bolshevik Bernie. Pelosi Schumer and Bozo. That team gets place look at new. York state and city look at Chicago the City Illinois. The State Look at California. Look at Oregon. Look at Portland, the city. Look at Seattle. Look at the state of Washington. Yes. And I. Love this country too much. You know it's an all hands on deck moment and Every everyone of you've got this connection with younger people in this country. You have this incredible. A credible platform you built, and it's become powerful and meaningful and transformative to the country, and you're going out there, and you're fighting on these college campuses and you. You know it's not easy to be in the middle of a I call it a shift. Show all the time, but let's well put, but you do it. And it's freedom works. Every time you give up freedom for security, you lose your freedom because the security that they're offering. These promises that can never ever be fulfilled. In America. The land. I'll close with this unless you want to go further I can keep going the. Barry Farber who was a mentor of mine. Just recently passed away like ninety ninety one. And he always said there's never been a country in the history of mankind that has accumulated more power and abused at less than the United States well I add. A country in the history of mankind that has accumulated more power abused at less, but used it to advanced human condition. The reason America is great and exceptional. If I can say that today, it's not perfect, but it's great. An exceptional is because of its people, and because of the fundamentals of liberty and freedom. So that? Natural rights versus government or rights, natural rights come from God doubt by our Creator. Life Liberty pursuit of happiness while you can't pursue happiness these days in Chicago New York Moreland Seattle. So there's a lot on the line. I love your audience. I'm so thankful for all you're doing, and you've got a great team that you building review and you're out there fighting the fight and I just urge you guys. Just fight like your country depends on it. Because America's, we know it. It's all hanging in the balance. Yet was Sean. You've been so generous the last quick thing I defend the president all the time personally as a person. Can you comment on that because I've had the opportunity to meet him? not as much as you obviously and get to know him, but a lot of people here misrepresentations in lies about who he is as a human being. Let's close on this note. Can you just mention one or two things that that people can take away from that? You know first of all. It's interesting. Nobody seems to understand Donald trump yet. They don't want to understand. I mean Donald Trump. The Dog Bites the beasts, things you feeling sad or get cancer. You Complain Trump. I mean that's how saying the leftist. But here's a guy that is so unique he this guy is like a soon nami force of energy like I've never met my life. The most distinct and unique quality he's had is as president. You mentioned the Supreme Court. He put those people that he said he put. He cut the bureaucracy as he said he'd caught, and he cut the taxes as he said he'd cut. He did the North Dakota. A keystone pipelines Anwar Likey said he would. He's building the wall or almost four hundred miles. A wall by the by election will be over four hundred miles. He found a way it was. It was an uphill climb He said he wanted to pull us out of foreign conflicts, but not back away from evil defeated. The Caliphate took out. Baghdadi and Associates took out Sola Mani took out the Al. Qaeda leader in Yemen. So? What makes him special and unique in terms of presidency is that he is who you see is who you get. The guy that's fights on twitter is the guy that's fighting for a better trade. Deal the guy that fights. Against Liberal Democrats and the media mob is the same guy is fighting to keep his promises that to me makes him the most unique transformative political figure in our lifetime. And Right now. The. We tip the scales. You have a choice. It's never been a bigger choice. He will keep his promises. Coronas been a little bit of a curve ball to the world, but even that ten days after the first case, the only guy that I know of thought about a travel ban will be donald trump. They were teaching at the time and Joe Binder Biden was call them Sinophobic, so he's a man of his word. He's a man that will fight to his last dying breath for this country and the promises he made, and that makes them in my view very transformative. Men will. The book is live for Your Die God bless you, Sean, thank you for that. You do and we really appreciate. It helps you soon. Thanks bye. What a great conversation that was! Please email me or questions freedom. Charlie Kirk Dot Com freedom at Charlie. KIRK DOT COM please type in trolley. Kirk, show your podcast provider. Hit subscribe, give us a five star reviews screen shot at an email us. If you want to win a signed copy of the Maga- doctrine, please get involved with turning-point USA at Teepee USA dot com that is Teepee USA DOT com. 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Cease-fire in war-torn eastern Ukraine to begin at midnight
"Rebel forces in war torn eastern Ukraine have started preparing for a full and comprehensive ceasefire scheduled to begin at midnight on Monday. Ukraine's Presidential office has said that if upheld, the ceasefire could pave the way for implementing other clauses of the 2015 minutes peace deal. The conflict between Ukraine and Russia, which fled up in 2014 when Russia annexed. Crimea has since killed more than 14,000 people during his traditional Sunday blessing and some pizza square. Pope Francis also commended the deal. I pray that what has been agreed will finally be put into practice to an effective disarmament of mine clearance process, the pontiff said. The new ceasefire deal was also welcomed by you officials. I'm
Feds clash with Portland protesters again
"Now we all know that Donald trump has a thing for dictators and each time he praises leaders men who he has called. Good friends trump exposed and apparent autocratic envied that foreshadowed what we are seeing happening right now in Portland, Oregon we're on Friday thousands of protesters, including the wall of MOMS and a wall of. Of veterans standing in solidarity with black lives matter we're met by federal agents who fired pepper balls and deployed tear gas to disperse the crowds for two weeks now federal officers wearing military style, camouflage and helmets have been patrolling Portland with batons and tear-gas, driving around in unmarked vehicles, sweeping up and detaining protesters in a way that Oregon's own attorney general says resembles abductions. This ladies and gentlemen is trump's secret police. Federal agents igniting chaos in the city led by a democratic mayor who was also tear-gas by US agents this week. According to trump, he's simply trying to quell unrest. In other words, he is clinging to the image of the law and order president as his approval ratings continued tank borrowing from the playbook of the dictators. He's so admires. will go into all of the city's Eddie of the cities we're ready will put in fifty thousand and sixty thousand people that really know what they're doing. Then they're strong tough, and we could solve these problems so fast. Joining me now is in Applebaum staff writer at the Atlantic and author of twilight of Democracy Renee, Graham columnist and associate editor at the Boston Globe. Sarah Kinzir scholar, authoritarian states, and all of hiding in plain sites and Philip he goes of the center for Policing Equity Thank you guys for joining me and I'm going to start with you. We are living in a world where secret police are detaining protesters without probable. So. If you look out on the nation, you will note across the chasm a lot of steering thing we try to tell you and you really touch on some interesting things in your piece in the Atlantic I loved it and you say that Donald Trump's authoritarianism is a form of politics that reached new heights. And you compare this what we're seeing in the landscape to Russia explain that to me. So. Thanks I think the important thing to understand about what trump is doing is that these are not tactics designed to solve the problem? Why is he sending customs and Border Patrol Coastguard Tsa. Officers into American cities these are people who don't have training and riot control who aren't used to dealing with political protests, and whose main goal seems to be to create more chaos. Of course, this isn't full on dictatorship. Resting the mayor or conducting mass arrests are putting thousands of people in jail for what he is doing is creating pictures. That are designed to show other Americans. How tough he is! So the fact that these men are wearing men and women maybe are wearing camouflage. They look heavily armed. They're wearing. Face Masks this is designed to show and kind of act out dominance. Look were pushing back against the liberal America the. Urban America the chaotic in America that. You're all afraid of and this is how we're going to win the argument. This way of using troops and using photographs of violence is something that we have seen in other authoritarian states. particularly in Russia where. Putin in twenty, thousand fourteen. Used pictures of violence to imply that the democracy movement in Ukraine was really some kind of Nazi fascist uprising, and that he was then putting it. Is, this is a tactic. We've seen US in other parts of the world, and we've already seen the photographs and footage of this be used in campaign. So that really punctuates your Article Philip. I want to turn to you because one thing that concerns me about. This is the experience that black and Brown people have when we encounter police so attorney general bill bar has said that in these new cities that the police officers are going to be clearly identifiable. I don't know that that makes it better. Considering that when black people encounter police there three times more likely to be killed in Chicago there six times more likely to be killed whether you make this. Yeah amp put it exactly right. These are not here. These troops are not here to make anything better. They're set up. In camouflage, which by the way they're not blending into any urban environment with those uniforms. To make the folks who are protesting who had been almost entirely peaceful important up until this point. Make them fear that there's going to be some kind of forceful, physical violent, a reaction to their peaceful expression of their rights and the thing I want to understand is this is over the objection, not only of the mayor of the US Attorney Attorney General the governor of local law enforcement as local law enforcement has been trying for the last seven eight to figure out how dare legitimacy at trust of New York, and this is explicitly not helping
Hostage Standoff In Ukraine Ends After President Agrees To Promote Animal-Rights Film
"Police say an armed man who seized hostages on a bus has been detained and all people he held have been freed unharmed. Following a standoff lasted over 12 hours. Ukraine's president posted a brief video message on his Facebook page to urge Ukrainians to watch a film championing animal rights says the hostage taker wanted
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Armed man takes bus full of hostages in Ukraine
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Trump says all polls that have him losing are 'fake'
"Boxes Newest, presidential election poll has Joe Biden ahead of president trump by eight points among registered voters. Chris Wallace broke that news to trump in the interview that just aired on Fox and here's what happened next. But at this point. You're losing. First of all I'm not losing. Because those are fake polls. They were faking twenty sixteen, and now they're even more fake. Must be a lot of fakery going on them. Because this is the tenth time there have been ten more than ten polls since June that show Biden beating trump in fact, so many polls now show him beating trump by double digits that we couldn't fit them all on screen. Here's the newest one. The Washington Post. ABC News poll showing Biden leading trump fifty five percent to forty percent a fifteen point lead so that Fox. Poll is actually better for trump. It only has them losing by eight points. Let's talk more about this with the senior columnist for Bloomberg Opinion Tim O'Brien. Tim Thing we don't take these fake lies seriously enough. He says fake news fake polls. He's alleging a vast conspiracy by all of the country's major scientific bolsters to rig an election. That's crazy, but we just reported like Oh. Yeah, he's said. The polls are back again. Well because he's been saying, everything has been faked for so long Brian Right there. There was the fake Russia investigation. There was the Ukraine hoax others, the corona virus hoax, and now we have the polling hoax I think the reality. Is that the fax and the World Around Donald Trump? Now have him in a Hammerlock, and and he can't really talk his way out of these because there are litmus tests I think the American public sees right in front of them. What's happening? With the coronavirus pandemic, and regardless of where trump lays the polls right now. He's going to be reality tested in November. And I think he's. A lot of US got it wrong in two thousand sixteen in terms of pulling back then so he's coming from. A position where where the polls radically underestimated his performance back then I think the pollsters have really changed their game this time around in two thousand sixteen I think. Voters with a high school education undercounted and voters with a college education. We're over counted I. Think the pollsters have gotten that under wraps in this upcoming election. I think in the last election. You heading muted, turn out for Hillary Clinton among voters of color. I think that could be radically turned around in the upcoming election, and and that's just not something. That, he can stave off forever, obviously, because November's right around the corner now and need I. remind everybody who worked for the Bloomberg campaign. You know the numbers don't lie events. There are real votes and he has the votes seriously.
Pompeo Warns Energy Majors Over New Russian Gas Pipelines
"United States efforts to stop Russia from completing a pipeline that would funnel natural gas to Europe. At a press conference Wednesday, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo threatened sanctions against any individual or company that helps complete the Nord Stream to it's a clear warning to companies aiding and abetting Russia's malign influence projects. I will not be tolerated. Get out now. Or risk of the consequences. Jennifer Start with the basics. What are we talking about? And why is the us opposed to this pipeline? Sure. So the North Dream, too. Is this gas pipeline? It's a Russian gas project. It's basically this long pipeline that's going to carry gas from from Russia to Germany and Central Europe. It's being built by a company that's owned by by Gazprom, Russia's state run gas company. And it's basically you know Russia's attempt to you know. Broadened its reach into the European gas market on the U. S, on the other hand, sees it very clearly as a Russian attempt to exploit European dependence on Russian energy. And, you know, sees this as a threat to the transatlantic alliance and things like that, and making Europe kind of more beholden to Russia. On DSO. So that's kind of the basics here on DH. What's going on is that the U. S. Has essentially threatened to impose sanctions on on any companies that are helping Russia build this pipeline. So So again, while this is being built by Gazprom, the Russia gas company half of the funding for the projects is actually coming from five European energy group so Shell you Nipper, Om VI and several others. And so the U. S. Is essentially threatening to impose sanctions on these companies for helping Russia and you know, it's It's very much the US trying to kind of push Russia back. You've heard President Trump say this many times, you know, criticizing Germany directly and Angela Merkel for you know their dependence on Russian energy. And so it's very much part of kind of that that push but at the same time, you know this is this is throwing up very clear rifts between us and its European allies. Because Germany very much wants this pipeline to go through. Yes, they're dependent on Russian gas, but They are dependent on Russia. Guess so. They need it right. So so if it's causing some very serious riffs in the transatlantic alliance, even though the kind of point is too Help improve the transatlantic alliance. So it's this really big rift and it's not really clear what's goingto happen because if the U. S goes through with this, they're essentially sanctioning European companies, which is a huge You know, kind of escalation. The US sanctioning companies in Allied countries, Literal Allies, Treaty allies, and so it's It's a really big deal. You know, I recently back when we were still allowed to travel in the before times spent a few days reporting in Poland and it was a huge conference topic of conversation there. Poland Being a very close ally of the U. S not wanting You have North stream kind of go through it, and it would have to you. And so it's a very huge, huge issue in Europe. Even though most Americans probably don't even think about it. Give us some context. David about you know why this pipeline is so important to countries in Europe. So basically, Russia is guaranteeing of steady and relatively cheap flow of energy into Europe. So this is you know something that Angela Merkel has signed off on despite some skepticism in Germany, and certainly lots of skepticism in Washington, and they've already made this decision to do it right. The project is most of the way done and so that you know, there's a lot of frustration in Europe with with the US trying to derail this project that's already Ah, a lot of the way complete. But then there's just the same frustration in Washington saying, Hey, we warned you about this. At the very beginning. We said this was a bad idea and you kept doing it, so it has been a kind of it's been a thorn in the side of You know that relationship for four years now? Really? And Trump has particularly enjoyed. I think calling out. Angela Merkel is someone who had taken a tough line on Russia. Over Ukraine but had not over this issue. So he points out the hypocrisy there. Wanna quickly touch on another story out
Iranian Report Details Chain Of Mistakes In Shooting Down Ukrainian Passenger Plane
"What I think we'll start with was the factual report at the Iranian civil aviation organisation issued regarding the downing of Ukraine International Airlines flight, seven, five two. This is not a final. So. It doesn't have a probable cause. However it had a missile fired upon it and then crashed so I mean that's the 'cause we nobody. factual report lays out the chain of events, and they have wonderful graphic. That is an actual chain in the report. The chain of events that led to the downing. Of PM five two, so basically, this occurred on the early morning hours of January beginning of this year after the Iran military goes on heightened alert because of responses, they're responding with missiles to the killing of Iranian general by the US so tensions are high, the Iranian military takes over the clearance of flights in the area, so they know there are passenger flights. In the area. That, is designed to make sure that a civilian entered doesn't get shot down and that was one of the first steps that didn't work. So what happened was is the aircraft is cleared to depart, and is following a correct trajectory, and we've discussed this in the past as far as looking at ESP data from that particular flight previously as well as all the other flights that left that morning, and there was nothing out of your Neri that the eighty s day was showing us the first chain of events that the Iranian reports out is that they relocated one of the air defense units so basically a missile battery was moved, and they failed to recalibrate it so. What was actually a departure from the southeast? It saw as incursion from the southwest, so very stupid, very minor mistake that had such incredible consequence. Right so at this point. This particular missile operator sees the aircraft as not. A seven thirty, seven, climbing out of Toronto but coming at it from the South West. So it targets the aircraft and then the. Is Supposed to notify the command center of what it sees of what the battery seeing and to get more information authorization authorisation to identify particular target and fire. If necessary, they never got in touch with the command center. And then the operator didn't identify the target as a pasture craft, so have an incorrectly identified target, and not having her back from the coordination. Center the MISL- operator fired a missile at what he perceived to be threatening target, but was in fact, a passenger aircraft, and so this first missile is according to the report is the missiles that not necessarily impacted? Your corporate exploded near enough to aircraft to disable the aircraft and then following basically one hundred eighty degree. Turn to the right. The aircraft crashed a few minutes later. As every incident we've ever discussed a lot goes wrong for a crash to occur, and this was no different. It just wasn't in the aircraft. It was on the ground, not anything completely unexpected here that there was just a complete failure of process, really any secure procedures much like the Malaysian jet that went down the triple seven. This is also terrible,
Iran blames bad communication, alignment for jet shootdown
"Search to report on the January eight shoot down of Ukraine international airlines flight seven five two identifies a catalogue of errors Iranian authorities had initially denied responsibility only changing course days later off to western nations presented extensive evidence that Iran's revolutionary guard was to blame now the nation's civil aviation organization says a misaligned a missile battery miscommunication between troops on the commandos and the decision to file without authorization had resulted in the killing of all one seventy six people on board the news may signal a new phase in the crash probe as the aircraft black box flight recorder is due to be sent to Paris where investigators will finally be able to examine it I'm Charles the Ledesma
The Netherlands Brings Russia to Court Over the Downing of MH17
"Taking Russia to the European Court of Human Rights for what it described as Moscow's role in the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH 17 over Ukraine in 2014 A Dutch foreign minister Steph Block said the government's top priority was to achieve justice for the 298 mostly Dutch victims onboard the airline when it was brought down.
Facebook removes disinformation networks tied to Roger Stone and Jair Bolsonaro
"FACEBOOK announced it has moved to information networks associated accounts and pages. One network had fifty four accounts and fifty pages removed from facebook and four from instagram for posting as fake residents of the State of Florida discussing political consultant, Roger Stone the second network involved thirty five accounts and fourteen pages removed from facebook and thirty eight from instagram for creating fake reporters and news organizations in Brazil linked to the office. Brazil's president facebook also banned a Canadian PR firm for interference in six Latin American countries and linked disinformation campaign to an AD agency in Ukraine.
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Vindman retiring from Army, lawyer blames Trump
"The national security aide who played a central role in president trump's impeachment has announced his retirement from the army lieutenant colonel Alexander van been served on the National Security Council as an expert on Ukraine but trump ousted him from the post just two days after the president was acquitted by the Senate been men have testified before the house impeachment panel that he didn't think it was proper for trump to demand that a foreign government investigate former vice president Joe Biden and his son's work for the energy company to respond in Ukraine in a statement Veneman's lawyer accuses the president of running a campaign of bullying intimidation and retaliation forcing bin men to choose between adhering to the law or pleasing a president Ben Thomas Washington
"ukraine" Discussed on Impeachment: A Daily Podcast
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"ukraine" Discussed on Impeachment: A Daily Podcast
"So why isn't somebody doing something about it People have sued Congress sued. Those cases are making their way through the courts. I don't think they're going to become part of impeachment and I do think there is a case for just making impeachment narrow and clearer and sticking to one message about it Emily Republicans today are expressing outrage about some of the phone records included food in the house. Intelligence Committee Democrats impeachment report. The Adam Schiff report released on Tuesday because it contains records of what phone numbers burs Devon Nunez and Rudy Giuliani for example. Were talking to. In a number of cases The Republicans are raising fourth amendment. Search and and seizure concerns. They describe it as Adam. Schiff doing what he's accusing. Trump of using government power to target political enemies. Here's and Senator Rand Paul talking about this and I'm alarmed the abuse of power by Adam Schiff. Did you see yesterday. It was released that he's actually spying on other members of Congress and journalists using his subpoena power to get their phone calls. This is a this is exactly what he's accusing the president of using the power. We're of government to go after political opponents. This should never happen. And I'm going to work hard to make sure that in the future people Adam Schiff do not have the power to abuse government to go after their political rivals. Senator Rand Paul Republican of Kentucky on Fox. Emily do they have a point on this. Well I mean there's like a global question about the rules for getting this kind of phone call data which let's be clear we're talking about a log of who you called what you said on the phone. The power to do that comes from Nineteen Seventies Supreme Court opinion. You have to get a warrant. So there's that and congressional Warren Is Different From a Warren in a court. So you know if you're a strong civil libertarian. The Way Rand Paul is the idea that Congress could go to. At and T.. Or whoever the AH phone provider was and get this information. Yeah that could seem like an alarming intrusion and they didn't get a search want to do it. I understand from mcchord. The law allowed them to do that. And Senator Paul didn't allege it was illegal buddy alleged it was unethical and an abuse of power that was targeting. I think people for political reasons. The evidence indicates Giuliani was calling the whitehouse. Possibly the budget office. Though that detail now seems unclear but in any me case it was around when some of these Ukraine questions were being decided and the budget. Office's apparently where the military aid got stopped there are other questions about Ukrainians Nunez was talking to Parnasse indicted now for. US campaign finance violations in support of Ukrainian business people to get ambassador. Marie Ivanovich to try it was Nunez involved with. That is one of the questions. I'm just curious what you make of the substance of the fact that you know these phone records indicate the conversations that the indicate then. I don't think it's definitive proof. But it's suggestive right. It means that there were these communications going on among people. All who were all involved in The actions you were just talking about and why else would Guiliani calling the O.. M. B. But to talk to them about the the possibility of freezing this military aid or something else to do with Ukraine. And he's not a government official. So what's he doing having that kind of role. These are the questions right right. And yes when Giuliani's case it's because he's not a government official. What is the president's private lawyer doing calling Owen? Be If it turns out that he was actually calling to mess around and when military gets released to Ukraine and Endeavour Nunez's case If he's talking to let Parnasse like Giuliani was always always always talking to let Parnasse and has been indicted for illegally using foreign influence to get Marie Ivanovich fired was Nunez is in on that plot so the plot thickens exactly and obviously for Nunez to be there as part of the Intelligence Committee but also implicated is located. You know that's like a classic conflict of interest or dual role that when one wonders about I wanNA play the angry Joe Biden moment from from yesterday and get your thoughts. He's at a campaign stop in Iowa and a guy says Biden sent his son used. The word sent sent his his son to work in Ukraine and accused Biden of quote selling access to the president presumably meaning access to President Obama for the company. Burris Ma and Biden got mad. Here's the exchange and listeners. You'll hear the The Guy is is not on Mike so well you'll hear Biden Leiden better but you get the idea. It's.
"ukraine" Discussed on Impeachment: A Daily Podcast
"This is impeachment a daily podcast from WNYC. I'm Brian Lehrer. It's Friday December six. Here's a decision for the Democrats that you might think they've already made by now. What is impeachment actually about well Speaker Pelosi? It's about Ukraine right. This isn't about Russia. Who benefited by our withholding tolling withholding of that military assistance show was about Russia? Sometimes people say well. I don't know about Ukraine. I don't that much about Ukraine. Low our adversary in this is Russia. All Roads Lead to Putin understand that Speaker Pelosi yesterday Saturday at a news conference. It's not about Ukraine. It's about Russia but that came shortly after. The speaker said this in announcing that an abusive power our articles of impeachment will now be drawn up. The facts are uncontested. The president abused his power for his own personal political benefit it at the expense of our national security by withholding military aid and crucial Oval Office meeting in exchange for an announcement of an investigation Gatien into his political rival. Well that sounds like it's about Ukraine. The president abused his power for his own personal benefit at the expense of our national security by withholding the military aid and a crucial Oval Office meeting in exchange for an announcement investigation into his political rival Ukraine. Of course impeachment could be about Russia and Ukraine. Nine it could also be about a monument and the hush money ruling stealing from charity. Admission last month in court and obstructing justice and threatening a new civil war is that an act of treason. But how broad. How narrow should they make? These articles of impeachment are supposed to be finished in just a few days. So we'll talk about that and other impeachment news now with Emily Basil on New York Times Magazine Staff Writer. SLATE POLITICAL GAP fest. co-host lecturer and senior research scholar at the Yale Law School and author of the book which seems to land on another best of two thousand nineteen list every day called charged the movement to transform inform American prosecution and end. Mass incarceration happy Friday. Emily thanks for coming on Brian. How much do you hear those two Pelosi statements from yesterday s contradictory or how much as part of a cohesive whole the Russia? Ukraine question doesn't seem to me to be a contradiction because because we're talking about the United States relationship with Russia and Ukraine and Russia's role as an aggressor in the in Ukraine a couple of years ago and the American response wants to that. I do think though the other questions raised about the breadth of impeachment are still kind of hanging on there for the Democrats. There are a lot of of ways in which they could argue. That trump has abused his power. Emoluments is one you can go back to some of the aspects of the Muller investigation if you WanNa go oh there and then the question is whether that's a mistake and it's better to stick with this easier to comprehend story about truly comes down to trying to use US foreign influence to steal the election or cheat on the election is it sort of politics versus history. Like I think the tension is real between wing making the strongest possible narrow case for clarity of communication to the public. He shook down Ukraine to help. Corrupt the twenty twenty election clear. And then there's the broader case which is what history might record a hundred years from now. He engaged in a pattern of abusing his power for personal gain witch Richard from beginning to end. Also benefited our adversary Russia which he knew is trying to destabilise American democracy but then our cases much more concrete. So I'm curious for you. Who are both the research scholar and a lawyer? Would it be right to say you can relate to this tension between what useful in the real the world right now and what's the deepest possible understanding for the long run. Yeah I think that's a good way to frame it. I mean I guess in a lawyer Lee Way. I've been thinking about the tension between okay if you frame articles of impeachment and you make them narrow have you just said everything else was okay and is that a problem right right because then you sort of excused for the future as you were putting it a pattern of conduct which. Maybe we shouldn't excuse me. I could imagine a top line nine statement that allows a lot of flexibility underneath. That says something like. He abused his power by buying and selling influence with foreign countries ace for his own political gain than abused his power again to try to cover it up. That's pretty direct Excuse me in clear. I think then they could fill in the particulars that they think they can use to prove it to the public right and then today something like for example which then makes makes it more concrete them to lay out the specifics but also kinda hedges and suggests that well there could be other examples out there wrote and since they're in this actual articles of impeachment. righting moment I looked up the Bill Clinton articles of impeachment. For just this question and as you know there were four of them originally and they seem to go with a general accusation of the abuse and then a numbered list of particular so for example article. One John was Clinton has willfully corrupted and manipulated the judicial process of the United States for his personal gain there's personal gain again for his personal gain and exoneration honoration impeding the administration of Justice and then number one the nature that says perjury and then number one the nature and details of his his relationship with a subordinate government employees. Monica Lewinsky number two. They're numbered number. Two prior perjury. Perjury is false and misleading testimony. He gave in a federal civil rights. Action Paula Jones brought against him three prior false and misleading statements. He allowed his attorney to make to a federal judge. Then there was a fourth one too so overarching charge followed by specific alleged instances. Do you think it will probably go like that. Yeah I mean that makes sense senses way to frame it right. And for Clinton by the time of impeachment there was perjury and obstruction and it was like pretty clear I think right eight I mean it's not like Republicans approved of other things he did but that's what they were focused on. I noticed how many New Yorkers and Californians are leading leading this article drafting process. The committee chairs involved are off from the two states. Unless I'm missing something jerrold Nadler from New York. City is the Judiciary Ashari Committee chair. Carolyn Maloney Chas the oversight committee. She's from New York. City Eliot Engel chairs the Foreign Affairs Committee maxine waters and Adam Schefter from California chair finance and intelligence respectively. I think those are all the committees. Draw up the articles of impeachment. And it's really the chairs who Pelosi says they're doing it. Pelosi is from California too so the articles of impeachment may not be bipartisan. But they will be bicoastal. Yeah that's a good point as a Resident of Connecticut. I guess I should feel kind of left out. And certainly the Republicans can make some Hay with the lack of representation from anywhere other than the two coasts. Yeah but you get too many senators and too many electoral votes. The next public hearing is scheduled for Monday in the Judiciary Committee. They're saying presentation tation of evidence by lawyers for certain committees from both parties. How clear is it to you? What will happen on Monday? I think we will hear this. All laid out in concrete terms. We had a day this week of lawyer of law professors really making more abstract constitutional arguments for and kind of against impeachment or at least against the process. The Democrats are using for impeachment. That was from Jonathan Turley who was the Republicans law professor representative. So now. I think we're going to turn into the specifics and some of the questions you and I were just talking about how you frame this. What facts do you emphasize how clear a case can you make For people who watch the public hearings in the intelligence committee they know the Democratic Staff Attorney. Daniel Goldman Oldman and Republican staff attorney. Steve Caster who questioned the witnesses. All those witnesses. Colonel Vin men Fiona Hill. All of them. Is it going to be like oral arguments then almost like at the Supreme Court. These attorneys now argue. That can be the ones answering the questions. No new fact witnesses but lawyers the presenting oral arguments. Yeah I think it will be more like that. I'm not sure how much the members of Congress will be able to interrupt the other decide whether it's still going to be conducted in kind of question answer form or whether lawyers will be able to speak uninterrupted for longer periods of time The Supreme Court has actually adopted a new rule where they're trying to let lawyers talk a little bit at least at the top before they start going at them and the idea is that makes for a more coherent presentation. Asian let's take a phone call Diana in Manhattan you're on WNYC with Emily Basilan. Hi Diana Hi yes hi Ryan I wanted to say first people. I don't see the contradiction on what on as you said that And I do think we need to highlight the national security issue In the impeachment proceedings By withholding military aid from crane is dealing with Russia as an aggressor so that affects us as Russia expanding is potentially than a greater ah threat to us His weaken our relationship with NATO That jeopardizes our national security. Also his I don't know if this is impeachable that his not protecting appointing people who are actually opposite of the their their responsibility that he points you whose interests are financial rather than actually with their what they're supposed to super example in our environment We are getting more dangerous insecure You know toxic environment. He's not protecting us He's also threatening getting the the democracy by all his obstruction of justice. All his assumptions of His lying he's Threatening the freedom of press this is the fourth estate he's by by condemning. The press so much and and trying to still so so much a lack of faith in them and confusion so that's throwing offer democracy which depends on trust in a free press and an objective. Press Supernet Diana. I think you are titillating. The tension perfectly. which is that for you? And so many other Americans people's hair is on fire there are on fire. What's your hair is on fire? People's hair is on fire. Because you think he's you know attacking our democracy and in corrupting it and turning it into an authoritarian form of government to the extent that he can in so many ways but then it starts to lose people with their eyes glazing over in a haze when we list so many things right right. I don't know whether it actually helps her. Not so that's a judgment for others but I do think we need to. I think these are really important that that the large large weather. Gop understand that things that we take for granted our freedom so the way democracy functions Our security in the world. I think these are you know our water quality of our water and other aspects of our environment. I think these are so important than they are part of his responsibilities president so perhaps we can because they all fit a single theme that he's he's not helping this country even though he keeps saying it's better than ever Diana. Thank you so much 'cause again and Judy and port Washington you're on WNYC. Hi Judy thank you. What I WANNA simple emoluments? It's I want to add enough information about how public money our tax money is going into his pockets. It doesn't come up nearly enough every time. The secret service go to mar-a-lago money for their room their food their drink their golf cart. Whose pocket does it go into including in the context of Ukraine? Let's say Hunter Biden Beta million dollars. There who's pocket does it go into Hunter Biden's whereas everywhere that Donald Junior goes. WHO's pocket does it go into? Well his pockets are still attached to his father's because trump senior never divested so I think think American citizens can understand. Follow the money. Judy thank you very much. Emily do you think they will go to a monument. Do you think they should go to emoluments. I think they won't in this impeachment context. I understand why people are so frustrated about this and I also think it's it is kind of simple You know it's like well. We have this clause in the constitution that says the CON- The president can't accept gifts from is really from foreign agents to emoluments clause but that's like the Clear one and it seems like that's happening..
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"Impeachment daily podcast from WNYC. I'm the Mirror it's Friday October twenty fifth and what did the president know and when did he know we know it a New York Times story says the answer to that question appears to explode part of trump's defense against the charge of extortion or bribery that the MPG inquiry is looking at so call today segment meanwhile back in Ukraine with journalist Julia Yaffe National Security and foreign policy correspondent for Gee Q. Formerly of the Atlantic and The New Yorker Russian born American raised among her recent articles and explainer on why Ukraine pops up been so many scandals and she has a forthcoming book with the title Russia Girl Julia thanks so much for some time and your expertise today thanks for coming on thank you so much for having me let's start with this headline and then we'll dig deeper on the scandal from Ukraine more than a Washington perspective trump defense is that he couldn't have been offering a quid pro quo of US military aid to Ukraine and exchange for investigating Democrats this summer because Ukraine didn't know the aid was withheld until September but the time says it has documents showing Ukraine new in early August so how much if at all do you think that difference in time line matters is to the fate of this investigation well I think it matters a great deal on I would just add that Bill Taylor who testified this week behind closed doors and then you know liberal publications got his statement to the congressional committee he testified in front of said that the Ukrainians new they'd was withheld also pretty much all of August and and I think it's really important because he's Donald Trump is saying that you know they didn't know that he was just asking them for something that this was an they didn't realize was tied to the aid and therefore it's not a quid pro quo I mean they're very hung up on this you know it's not a quid pro focus the president doesn't speak Latin in the Ukrainians of course have fed into this narrative by publicly say no no of course we weren't pressured we didn't think we were being pressured and it's important to is that of course they would say that because they are still very much dependent on US aid they're still fighting russian-backed mercenaries in the he's there they're still this kind of semi Thaad conflict in the east and the Russians are watching carefully there was a story in the Times yesterday about all ways they were trying to deceive the Russians while they were waiting for the aid to show that their army was still still good and still on welfare and while supplies position has been put in right and I and Bill Taylor's testimony also really showed that they were getting really frustrated they asked him I'm at every turn basically all of August and maybe even earlier where is the aid they were trying to be polite but publicly they're you know they're they can't do that they are very much dependent on specifically Donald Trump and they're stuck with him until at least January twenty twenty one so they have to not anger happen but that's a new wrinkle of to me that I hadn't heard that makes it even that much more threatening sounding for Ukraine they actually had to spend some weeks trying to fake out Russia to make them say that their military was as prepared as it wasn't actually because is the US was holding up this aid in order to keep our country safe exactly presidents Alinsky never did announce these investigations of the Biden's or of the twenty Sixteen election interference that trump was pushing pushing for his alinsky to announce publicly pushing so hard as has been documented in these recent witness testimony sessions do you know why he never did actually take that step and announce the investigations that trump wanted well it seems like again it hasn't gotten as much coverage as it should have because of all the things that happened this week but bill Taylor's testimony in Congress really was explosive and people who heard it said as much and the the the statement really is just a continual jaw dropper as you read it and he said that he church talk to presidents Alinsky and various people around him to get them to commit to not making this announcement that this was something they were happy you any way because they were themselves feeling very uncomfortable about being used as pawns in domestic American Politics Bill Taylor you said that he tried to impress upon them that you know Ukraine has been a bipartisan issue. Probably keep it that way if you want American and I think the Ukrainians understood that themselves I think they were you know the aid was released September finally without notifying the Ukrainians at just suddenly was released Asia and I think they were probably relieved then this month Ukraine did announce some kind of new audit of burris Ma the company Hunter Biden was on the board can you tell if this is a phony investigation to satisfy trump I don't I don't know but here's the thing is is my is a very opaque company there's it seems like there's a lot to investigate and it's they should probably be investigated but I'm not I'm not sure that this is related to the trump along the prosecutor who Joe Biden help to get fired Victor Shokhin I think the big lie here from the trump side as far as we know is that Shokhin was gonna Bust Burris for something that would be bad for Hunter Biden somehow and Joe Biden was out to protect him and that's why the Obama Administration and oh by the way all of western Europe wanted Victor Shokhin out how far is that say and Republicans in Congress let's just add let's just add so how how far is that from the truth based on your knowledge of Shokhin in Ukraine was he on the warpath against Burris my and was he fired to protect Joe Biden no and no is the short answer the longer answer is that one of the reasons he was quietest he wasn't investigating that he was not looking into these corruption cases including bury's Ma so the fact that Joe Biden played the bad cup for everybody else's good cop including Republicans in Congress I just want to underline is that he opened his son up in fact to investigation by firing this guy who wasn't investigating Burris my who refused to investigate burris Ma and many other corruption cases I mean at the obsession with Burris Ma is is interesting because it's just there's so many things to investigate in Ukraine gene especially in the natural gas sector which is an extremely corrupt sector of the economy with close ties to Russia which is one of the reasons it's so corrupt it's just you know it's a small piece of the corruption puzzle there once the withholding of the military aid was going to be made public by the media in September because of the CIA whistleblower complaint only then did the trump administration released the to Ukraine. Do you think that's important to the plot here and did it take all the pressure off Zilenski to get mixed up in the trump campaign yeah I think that's very important it just underscores the extent to which the this is an internal political game for the president and that he only released bipartisan approved congressionally approved aid to Ukraine that is not supposed to be tied to our domestic politics again because it's in the national security interest in America to do this he had it tied in his mind explicitly to this thing that he wanted the Ukrainians to do for him here domestically in the US to go after his political enemies that only when this was going to be exposed here mystically did he release it again I I keep bringing up bill Taylor's testimony but it's a fantastic read I have to say if your listeners want to go and read it a bunch of news organizations have it up but it is just it does document kind of a blow by blow of how the trump administration was tying the aid and you know we're focusing on the eight here but there was also they were dangling a White House visit for presidents scheme tying it to this all kinds of things they were trying to bringing in the Ukrainian president kind of a into his battle against Joe Biden can you give us GEICO presidents Alinsky you write that he was elected as a corruption fighter and to stand up to Russia it also sounds from your earlier answer like he who is willing to stand up to the United States not go along with this trump's game because he didn't WanNa look to his own people like he was upon of US politics but you're right that he's also linked to one of the country's most rich and powerful oligarchs so is he the corruption fighter of his reputation the answer is we don't know yet he was just elected the summer and not a lot of time has passed the jury still out there are some promising signs homeboy ski this oligarch bet is close to as Lonski and it seems like the signals Alinsky is sending out is that he's going to go along with the scheme to let Komansky re-privatized the bank after it was bailed out by the Ukrainian government it's a long and messy story that would is kind of a bellwether on whether or not he serious about separating himself from this oligarch and really going after corruption on that score it seems like he's leaning toward not going after too hard but we'll see it's only been a few months and I think now the world is watching to see whether he will go after corruption in part because of what Donald Trump has dragged him into and it looks like Americans who have these questionable ties to pro Russia Ukrainians are not just Republicans we know pull me on a four it is in prison for illegal dealings around the former Pro Russia president of Ukraine Yanukovych Obviously Manafort was a Republican strategist for from two thousand Sixteen Tad Devine also had previously just been working for Yanukovych why is there so much money to be made by American political consultants in such right well exactly it's you know there's huge wealth disparities there but in fact Ukraine is not a poor country in terms of resources and agriculture it could be you know a wealthy country but it is very corrupt in the wealth inequality there is tremendous but the reason that there is so much like Barista for example wanted to you know a very shady privately owned company very opaque wanted to head global ambitions for that or Tad Devine who asked for ten thousand dollars a day plus travel back in two thousand fourteen when he was considering a job they're just you can't make that of money and in we're just about out of time but back to Washington for minute you keep talking how about how explosive the bill Taylor testimony was the other day and we've been going over on this show some of the other witnesses who are trump appointees and yet have given such damning testimony and yet republic kinzer pushing for the impeachment hearings to be made public as if it's a big scandal that they're happening behind closed doors even though both House Democrats in House Republicans are in the room and able to ask questions but I keep thinking what are you crazy when public hearings do start which they reportedly will next month soon at W._n._y._C. 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"ukraine" Discussed on Today, Explained
"Is is corrupt. Five years ago we had people protesting against a secretive regime of Victorian coverage said we had to begin with Ukraine's former the president twenty four Ukrainians sick of corruption revolted three hundred which the president ran away to Russian and emitted after that we started focusing on assets recovery of process of corruption of Yanukovych and this it's time where I have started observing booties. Ma Ma is deleting independent exploration and production company operating in the Ukrainian the oil and gas market. You might recall Barista as the company that gave Hunter Biden a cushy Gig but he's not the company is owned by former minister of natural resources of Viktor Yanukovych and criminal investigation against Burris. Mom One was crucially important in order to recover millions of dollars which McCullough's from Ukraine Barista is basically Glee Ukrainian for shady gasoline in April two thousand fourteen twenty three point five million dollars were seized by British law enforcement officers at the Council of this company in order to recover this access to Ukraine British law enforcement needed evidence that this money are automated origin and this evidence has to be produced by Ukrainian law. Enforcement Agency were victor shocking gene. The tough prosecutor Junaini likes and prison trump likes had to deliver this evidence. Shokhin is is this prosecutor trump likes to say Biden had fired to benefit his son hunter even though there's no evidence of that and there was no no will and no desire under the leadership of victory shocking to pursue the case and to develop the case it was obvious for everyone who wanted to help Ukraine to recover esus that shocking was dumping this investigation and that will protested newer doing then menu rallies in front of shocking office and in front of buildings of president of Ukraine demanding resignation of the SHILPA IT turns out a lot of Ukrainians wanted shokhin fired. I was protesting. Many other organizations. Were protesting testing. We are here now. Ask our president what the hell going on color nuke leasing under corruption watchdog NGO allow him to maintain detained the Soviet system of prosecution which intimidates people and then afterwards Joe Biden came. This is the genesis of the trump conspiracy right here vice president. Joe Biden went to Kiev to help the new government. You have to fight the corruption and Oscar president per Shankar fire shocking because he was considered by everyone is very corrupt person who dumped many investigations including the case Burris said. I'm telling you not getting billion dollars. I said you're not getting a billion believing here. I think it was what six hours I look leaving mm six hours. If the prosecutors not fired you're not getting the money and that's what we were so happy that Joe Biden came and actually made a very tough condition that iser you present version of fire chucking or there will be no financial eight one billion financial eight thus far. There's just no evidence against this had anything to do with Biden's son. This was about getting rid of a divisive Ukrainian prosecutor Victor Shokhin so when i read the transcript of the phone cold between president trump unprecedented Lansky and that phone call. I heard that there was a very good guy a tough prosecutor shocking. I couldn't believe that because shocking was actually the example of one of the worst prosecutors V had and who was intimidating good people in his agency who was dumping investigations including breeze might last Gatien so I was embarrassed to have president of the United States Senate in such a credit to such a corrupt prosecutor but I understand so excellently now why why he was doing that. It's a case that is crying out to be investigated. If it doesn't get investigated we just don't have equal justice in this this country and it was the narrative coming from Dooney. Johnnie Rudy loves this conspiracy. Biden's son took millions of dollars out of the Ukraine. Well Joe Biden as vice president and Joe Bragged two years later that he got the prosecutor general fired. He just left out of it that the prosecutor general was investigating. His son and his sons crooked boss. That's Sir conspiracy theory which was presented by religion. onny needs shocking who wanted to investigate burris. Shokhin it appears was not terribly interested in investing Barista and here is where the conspiracy spiracy theory from Rhodesia landfalls apart so this White House conspiracy theory must seem kind kind of insane to Ukrainians who thought shocking was totally corrupt thought. Barista was totally corrupt. Most of the Ukrainians don't understand and what is happening and they don't understand how American system works but I couldn't believe that the president of the United Estates Code the President of Ukraine asking to interview into work of law enforcement agency in Ukraine because this is something that we are trying to change in Ukraine for the last five years the idea behind our anti corruption efforts forts is that law enforcement and judiciary system in Ukraine has to be free from political interference and free from oligarchy interference since the United States was our key parter in this work so it was very depressing for me to read that hat fund cold transcripts. I think we hear a lot about trump's tone and his tactics during that call. How did you feel about Presidents Alinsky tone and his approach to dealing with President President trump. I was disappointed as well. He was trying to agrees Everson. President trump was telling him and there was only one message from him which I can understand he asked for help in war is Russia. He asked for Javelin 's as he at that time already understood that there's something wrong as military eight which was scheduled to be sent to Ukraine but was stopped at certain moment right presidents. Alinsky was in this awkward position because he needs something from president trump and we kind of saw him in that awkward position again last week at at the United Nations General Assembly when they gave this joint press conference and he was asked if he was pressured by president trump in front of president trump and he said said no because of course he had to say no no cure that we had I think good phone call to US normal. We spoke about many seeings and so I think you read it that nobody push push me. Yes lose the way how you said that the. UN Assembly was very talented because I he said I'm sorry but I don't want to be involved involved two we wouldn't elections elections of USA. No I think that prisons and ends keep was was trying to avoid taking an picking sites in American political battle Ukrainian journalists and Ukrainian citizens is care about war and how to end war and achieve peace and this is the topic now in Ukraine. It's it's like we are leaving in parallel worlds so the perception of this scandal in the United States in Ukraine is absolutely different because we have different problems he can were you have trump presence and were he had to deal up this trump so I can understand him that war this is today split.
"ukraine" Discussed on Today, Explained
"You've heard about the phone call. You've skimmed the partial transcript but maybe this whole time. You've just wanted to hear the president. Say it and today is your day so I would. I would say that presidents Alinsky. If it were me I would recommend that they start an investigation into the Biden's because nobody has any doubt that they weren't crooked. That was a crooked deal. One hundred percent Ya that's the sound of the presidents of the United States as a foreign in country to help take down his political rival from the South Lawn of the White House. No less an impeachment inquiry is evidently not enough to deter President Donald trump from what he really wants dirt on Joe and Hunter Biden from Ukraine likewise. China started investigation into the by because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with with Ukraine. We called Daria Colony UC in Kiev to find out what it's like for Ukrainians to find themselves in the center of an American impeachment scandal. I'm executive director of the UNDAY Corruption Action Santa and what does that mean. We are doing what you dog work our government and our we expose corruptions and we advocate for change asked her to tell me as best she could how this mess with Hunter Biden in Ukraine got started started very important to talk about corruption. If you don't talk about corruption why would you give money.
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"ukraine" Discussed on Trump, Inc.
"This brings us to the central subject of Giuliani's Janis campaign. It's the idea that the Democrats and some Ukrainians interfered in the twenty sixteen election in Hillary Clinton's favor they did this in Giuliani's Janis version of events by forging a document. The so-called Black Ledger that showed secret payments from Yanukovych's party to Paul Manafort. Remember Manafort is serving prison time because of the trail of corruption Robert Muller uncovered beginning with those payments he took from Yanukovych which bank fraud tax fraud money laundering conspiracy against the United States but Guiliani says the black ledger is a fake nick. Here's Giuliani a May twenty nineteen interview on Fox News pointing a finger at a man named Saturday this Kinko. He's not the prosecutor Lukashenko. Their names are similar found to be involved in assisting the Democrats with the two thousand sixteen election gentleman. I'll give you his name filming only by the name of your just let me let me finish a gentleman by the name of La Shaneco. Yes who supplied a black book that was found to be fraudulent solent never used because it was a fraudulent incriminating statement. That was totally untrue. Of course it's not fraud. It's real document men and of course I'm not enemy of American government. I know intervened interfered in American elections in Kiev. I spoke to the man man who helped to bring the black ledger to light Sergei Chanko. He's an investigative. Journalist and former member of parliament met him in a cafe in a hip part of the city. It is part of conspiracy credit by Giuliani conspiracy theory which is not based on relevance in real information. Because Blake Ledger Joe went through expertise in Ukraine and expect is proved that it's real document and signatures of people sign of this book real but to construct conspiracy theory Giuliani was looking for some information which can mainly be responsible and accused decided to spin this. It's fake fake pleasure and so on a string is extremely tall with thick framed glasses. He turns forty next year. Let's check. Oh says to promote remote his theory. Rudy Giuliani seized on the fact that an administrative court found less ching-kuo acted illegally in Publicizing the Black Ledger Giuliani ignored nor the fact that the ruling was overturned on appeal bill stopped the decision in July this year but it did not stop Giuliani and he continued saying Dan this fraud by casting doubt on the Black Ledger Rudy Giuliani is trying to rewrite history. Paul manafort in Rudy's telling is transformed from a political Michael technologist who profited from corrupt system and cheated on his taxes into the victim of a sinister anti-trump plot a plot that eventually led to Robert Muller's colors investigation but for Ukrainians Manafort's role even in the shadows can't be erased. Check our calls something that happened a dozen years ago as a reporter in Switzerland to cover the corrupt politician Viktor Yanukovych Paul Manafort was there. Let's check. Oh made contact does that time. Prime Minister Yanukovych traveled to Davos in Switzerland Engine World Economic Forum and Manafort came to listen personally and he appeared together with Ukrainian Sekondi Annetta Smith who hire it Manafort Manafort Akhmetov is the patron who I engaged Paul manafort services all those years ago after he lost control of the Steel Plant and I came to Manafort with the question. May you record into with me. She said no interview at all and it's my friends. What did you know about Paul Manafort at the time. It was not a secret that he works for Yanukovych a huge mysterious person doing during ten years. He made no interview at all zero but everybody was away. He walks closure. If Paul Manafort's actions are obscured in America if he's seen as a victim cheng-kuo says that will have a chilling effect on the people who are pushing to make Ukraine more democratic open and fair whistle blowers or anti corruption activists you ready to fight against the system to provide this information now will remember what happened with people like me are like and and talk leader who under pressure for the last four years and they will decides twice or triple three should they start this anti corruption of DVD or it's better to keep silence to keep is blind not to make this noise about corruption and just look of criminal problem when we started our interview the Shinco rubbing his eyes and glancing at his phone. He's been doing back to back news interviews for for days. Suddenly it seems the world is interested in what he has to say about graft disinformation foamy. It's another evidence that corruption is not just Ukrainian problem but it's global problem happened everywhere in the world and sometimes corruption. It's like a butterfly fly effect. The sultan's happened in Ukraine and to namath happened in us. Let's check. Oh has offered to testify before Congress about about his experience with the Black Ledger and the disinformation campaign.
"ukraine" Discussed on Trump, Inc.
"We are going to be talking about our TV president and his TV lawyer Rudy the Giuliani but for that story to make sense. We need to start a little earlier in the time line after communism collapsed and the Soviet Union state-owned properties like pipelines and factories were put in private hands. Everyone was supposed to benefit instead a small number of businessmen businessmen hoarded assets and became the oligarchs their fortunes depended and still depends on keeping control of Ukraine's natural resources and building monopolies and working the government. This is how how deep is this three hundred seventy. Thus incredible one big prize for the oligarchs was the largest steel mill an iron mine in northern Ukraine in a town called Krivi re. It's an overnight train ride from one machine turns solid or into glowing liquid metal at a temperature of twenty eight hundred degrees Fahrenheit then it's lifted into a giant cauldron and poured into steel bars. This is very frightening. This place is a good example of how a privatization can go wrong in two thousand four. The factory was awarded at auction not to the highest bidder a multinational company but to to Ukrainian businessman who put in a bid of just half as much money. One of them happened to be the son in law of the president. It's not like Ukrainians. Were okay with this. The sweetheart deal for the steel plant caused so much outrage it was later voided and reversed in two thousand five mill was put up for auction again in this time an international steel giant offered the most and won the oligarchs were unhappy they wanted control all of the natural resources and to get that they had to control the government and they on just the man to help them do it. A man with decades of experience supporting corrupt upped leaders across the globe Paul Manafort at at the time two thousand five eighty seven percent of Ukrainians were against the oligarchs candidate Viktor Yanukovych Manafort. Turn that that around there's a term people hear us for Manafort's profession Poli no-look political technologists Manafort did polling he tested messages he got a Kovic previously spoke coarsely and had assault and robbery convictions in his past to where a good suit they get a good haircut and speak Ukrainian because it was eastern Ukraine. He spoke Russian in two thousand ten. The oligarchs man won the presidency. Ah Paul Manafort went to work for the new leader he secretly lobbied the US government. Yennin Kovic locked up a political opponent. Then manafort hired a law firm thereto bogus report justifying her prosecution. All the while Yanukovych was stealing massive massive amounts of money from the Ukrainian people. There's a memo a manafort associate road during this period it said the number of people who admit they are having difficulty Coltie feeding their family throughout Ukraine. Today is stunning book. The people protested in February Twenty Fourteen Ukrainians ends overthrew Yanukovych. He fled by helicopter to Russia. That's when Ukrainians discovered Yanukovych is other worldly palace the House the corruption built now. It's a museum I just want to note we have left the city of Kiev and he has that's the main line road to imagine and when the road from Kiev to measure here you passes through a tangle of high-rise housing estates and shopping plazas. My Guide is Anestachio Laszlo so a tour guide based in Kia. It was really pissing people off because they were getting late and learned English as a teenager in Alaska. That's the funny Johny part. Everyone is laughing like Alaska really stunning Annetta states but while it is she also goes by Stacey really complicated to pronounce the foreigners so they called me stacy or you became Stacey in Alaska Horse. Of course the grounds of the estate are vast. There's a nine hole golf course a huge garage for Yanukovych is vintage cars and a laboratory. Tori where Lonzo says the president's food was tested to make sure it wasn't poisoned after Yanukovych fled measure here in two thousand fourteen protesters and journalists found found a trove of his financial documents dumped in the water. They drive them off in the sauna the centerpiece of this verse cy his Yanukovych's Mansion. I ask disclose. Oh if Paul Manafort has ever been here. She doesn't know and tells me I can ask the man who manages the House but she says I should divide whatever he tells me in two. I really liked that Ukrainian expression. You can divide that into that. What you say yeah yeah divided into it means like some of it can be true but some of it not but which part is true or not you know the interior walls here look like the inside of a log cabin? Almost everything else is pure opulence. What's the Sports Complex Helipad the be floating restaurant. It looks like a abode stuffed lion. Oh that is if you care about cats hats that is so depressing. Oh It's like an oxygen chamber and this is some kind of water massage so it's still this table can cost from fifty to one hundred thousand euros is usually gross in the natural conditions in the underground caves somewhere but guy wanted assault gave here on his house. Oh my God look at this coat of armor. The last known that will be the door. We'll get on it can save people get out like in silence. At the beginning they got excited and then as a result of okay. Eh People do look a little stunned as they merge into the sunshine by the summer of two thousand sixteen. ECKSTEEN MANAFORT had a new GIG after Yanukovych. He went to work running. Donald Trump's campaign. Here's an interview metaphor did in the summer of two thousand sixteen with CBS News so to be clear. Mr Trump has no financial relationships with any Russian oligarchs. That's what he said. That's what I said. That's obviously look our position. As manafort was the GO-TO for campaign interviews then in August of two thousand sixteen a a story broke in the New York Times. It said Manafort was paid. Twelve point seven million dollars off the books payments from Yanukovych is political party accounts of these payments turned up in a so-called lack ledger..
"ukraine" Discussed on Trump, Inc.
"Giuliani mentioned and tack in an interview interview with Chris Cuomo on CNN in September that went viral Giovanni always I asked about Joe Biden is to get to the bottom of how it was that would Sankoh who was appointed right dismissed the case against anti profit called anti or whatever the hand was anti Kolenovic told Ilia that her group his being attacked because it's fighting corruption the reason for that is that we are actually exposing corruption schemes in Ukraine. We are exposing also Western enablers of Ukrainian KLEPTOCRATS. We're painting the S for many powerful people here but they come back has a warning for us about the way her democracy works and the direction ours is heading in well fingers crossed for American political system mm-hmm. I hope that it will not repeat mistakes Ukraine. Tell me what those mistakes are. One President Dictates prosecutor-general the general to investigate it is a big mistake. It shouldn't happen in real democracy today on trump inc how power is brought to bear on investigations into corruption in Ukraine and the United States and the tools we have to fight corruption are themselves being corrupted in the summer of twenty eighteen eighteen. The Muller investigation was bearing down Rudy Giuliani. The president's personal lawyer began talking about putting out a quote counter report that never materialized materialized. What did happen we know from the whistle blower report is that Rudy Giuliani began to reach out to current and former Ukrainian prosecutors in late twenty eighteen Giuliani was developing a counter narrative to muller arguing it was Ukraine that interfered with the two thousand sixteen election on behalf of Hillary Clinton while he was at it? Giuliani began encouraging Ukrainians to investigate Joe Biden and they seem game in the middle of this Attorney General William Bar released his summary of the Muller reports followed by the report itself days after that a new Ukrainian President Senate won the election in a landslide below. Mir Is Alinsky.
"ukraine" Discussed on Trump, Inc.
"Hello and welcome to trump inc a podcast from WNYC and PROPUBLICA that digs deep into into the business of the trump administration. I'm Andrea Bernstein in New York. Ilya Marritz is in Ukraine's capital. Kiev and you'll be hearing a lot more from him in this episode a little about how Ilia happened to be in Kiev right now how for over a year trumping crew has been talking about Ukraine the role it plays for trump and the people around him he's taken money from Ukrainian oligarchs. His former campaign manager Paul manafort worked there for a decade and went to prison because of his work there Michael Cohen has ties to the country and trump's personal attorney. Rudy Giuliani has been making appearances in Ukraine for over a decade. We kept asking ourselves Walleye. What is it about Ukraine so ILIAP Linda TRIPP months ago and as it turned out arrived right after we learned that Ukraine was the country in the mysterious whistleblower report as the story was breaking wide open billion landed ended in Kiev so this is so strange somewhere here for us us. He went there to follow a trail of corruption that started with President Trump's campaign chief Paul manafort and led to president trump's personal personal attorney Rudy Giuliani. Don't see anywhere our newspapers. Nobody's reading them not selling before we begin a note. DONALD TRUMP RUDY GIULIANI END Ukrainian politicians and prosecutors can hollow out the meaning of the words stay use corruption prosecutor cover up facts politicians in Ukraine routinely used prosecutions not as fact-finding missions but as bludgeons to destroy opponents opponents like Je Clinics Group Antioch. It's an anti-corruption. Group supported by the European Union Union.
"ukraine" Discussed on Trump, Inc.
"Trump ink is supported by the showtime documentary series the circus go beyond the headlines of behind the spin with a non-partisan examination of American politics in the age of trump that you just I can't get anywhere else. Don't miss new episodes of the circus every Sunday at eight pm only on showtime okay so should I read it. I semantic peace and Dateline Kiev Wednesday September twenty fifth just after five PM local time I'm at the offices of the not for profit anti-corruption Action Center and tech and with Doria Color Nuke anteks co founder and executive director the White House has just released a transcript detailed notes of a call between president trump and Ukrainian president volodin Amir's Alinsky hamsters. You're giving a call to have attorney John. Call and we'll get to the bottom said on that. Call trump asks ask Dolinsky to quote do us a favor investigate. His political rival Joe Biden with a Bright Orange beanbag chair and a staff of mostly young people anti has the feel of a small startup everyone here not just Aria is furiously digesting the document so that isn't it okay for the president of the United States to have attorney general of the United States to call the president of Ukraine to discuss investigation investigation. Is that okay. I'm not a lawyer but I I believe you are a lawyer. It is actually very astonishing to me to see that something like that happening in the United States from which we are trying to learn how to make democracy so I'm embarrassed embarrassed for the United States. I think yes I'm embarrassed for the United States. I'm also endorsed for for Ukraine. Well Presidents Alinsky. I understand that he was in very tough position because it's like you're a little guy talking to superpower and your country depends on this superpower and Diaz soldiers who are dying every day in war with Russia can stop dying if there will be proper support from the United States if you Google Darya colony one of the first images that comes up is a woman holding a bullhorn surrounded by police. Her T shirt reads fuck corruption today today. She's wearing business attire. It is strange because we could expect something like that happening. In very authoritarian countries like Russia yeah but not from the country which is a role model for us throughout our hour long conversation Callan yoke maintains the state of outraged disbelief this belief did you ever think that Ukraine would be at the center of an impeachment proceeding against an American President I would never imagine that.
"ukraine" Discussed on The Lawfare Podcast
"Was trying to tell trump is just as a sway. Jim and say look you know. I don't have my guide there yet yet but when I have my guy in that position yes Mr President. We will look into this. What's amazing is Cinco himself after he no longer holds the job of prosecutor general in May gives an interview to Bloomberg where she says Oh no there was investigation and in fact there was no wrongdoing coming found by one hundred byner Joe Biden any of the Biden's no violations of the law so basically sounds like a singer also promised to open investigation to appease what Giuliani wanted from him probably all those meetings and what trump is now referring to this phone call was Dolinsky but doesn't actually do anything he just says it yes. Can you help me give her this amassador. Our Open investigation I'm Quinta Jurassic and this is the Law Fair podcast October first twenty nineteen. The first two years of the trump presidency were tied up with the Russia scandal. Now there's another scandal involving Russia's next door neighbor Ukraine the revelation that president trump and his envoys pressured the Ukrainian government for information about debunked claims of Biden family corruption have brought Ukrainian domestic politics tech's onto the American stage. The Ukrainian side of this very American scandal is complicated yet vital to understanding the whistleblower complaint and the reality of what happened happened with Ukrainian prosecutor general and Joe Biden's son. I sat down with Lena Polyakova the director of the project and Global Democracy Emerging Technology Oh gee at the Brookings Institution to break it all down we discussed recent Ukrainian political developments what exactly Joe Biden did or didn't do in Ukraine and and what this might mean for the US Ukraine relationship going forward. It's the law fair podcast episode four hundred fifty seven W t f Ukraine so Alina. Let's start with the most basic question possible. What is the name of the country that we're about to discuss because a lot of Americans have been using the definite article in front of the name. We're GONNA be talking about Ukraine not the Ukraine. It's interesting interesting that we're starting with this because actually important and so in nineteen ninety three when Ukraine became an independent country outside of the Soviet Union in the government dropped or asked a foreign correspondence and other outlets as top using the because in the understanding when we use a definite article referring to a territory like you know the northern plains right or the south and so refers it implies that there is a piece of land that is currently being occupied or controlled in this context by Russia used to be controlled obviously see by the Soviet Union Ukraine has been a sovereign country for quite some time and so the correct usage is just Ukraine and Ukrainians is get very annoyed when people put the in front yes. It is kind of a cringe factor. If you ever hear a Western policymakers speaking to group of Ukrainians economists feel cringe spread across the room if they say the because it also implies that the person speaking doesn't actually know anything about the country they're talking about so it's a pretty basic thing to understand that when you're talking about a country usually during the definite article call especially don't use a in this highly highly sensitive political context and the sensitive political context that you mentioned gets to one of the big pieces that I think Americans sort of new to understand to understand the connection between Ukraine and Russia right so just walk me through how Ukraine sees its relationship with Russia and how Russia sees its relationship with Ukraine right so I'll try to do a brief history of the last twenty something years Ukraine Russia relations in about two minutes so basically Ukraine used to be part of the Soviet Union knows that Ukrainian Soviet republic little known fact is that it was actually in the nineteen fifties. Crimea became part of Ukraine. We we say that now but it was all the same countries Soviet Union so the time it didn't really matter if Crimea was part of Ukraine or Russia because these are all just part of a much larger country so new cream green becomes independent in in the early nineteen nineties after the fall of the Berlin Wall dissolution of the Soviet Union is still has a lot of economic relationships just basically Jessica transport relationships a- Russia because the entire Soviet infrastructure the industrial infrastructure was developed with the notion that all the countries are part of the Slovenian made up one single block so we're talking about gas exports for example. There's a reason why all of Russia's gas experts go to the two three Ukraine to on the way to your because this was the most direct route when we talk about you know trade in weapons systems are the entire military industrial complex was fully integrated between Russia and Ukraine and then families were fully integrated between Russia and Ukraine so loud family and Russian rice versa. I'm so it's been a really painful. It's cutting a limb off. I think from the Russian perspective when we fast forward a little bit two thousand four when we we have the first revolution Ukraine now called Orange Revolution where you couldn't go the streets to protest a fraudulent election outcome and the Kremlin Crumlin favorite this name I sound familiar Viktor Yanukovych gets kind of basically pushed out because the elections are recognized as being rod and not free and you Shinko Victoria Chicago the time prevails and becomes President in Oh four. That's the first revolution in Ukraine and that is the first sign line that this previously very tight relationship between Ukraine and Russia. was hitting a certain climax and it wasn't it couldn't really go go on as it had been going on faster ten more years and we get the second revolution ten years later because after two thousand four you shouldn't government doesn't it doesn't get done what Ukrainians wanted to get done meeting weeding out corruption getting rid of the oligarchs system which is also fully integrated with Russia the intelligence agencies agencies are fully integrated Russia in a way that doesn't serve Ukraine when we come to two thousand thirteen two thousand fourteen and we get another set of protest against who again Victor Yanukovych he in the meantime Kinda resurrects himself as a reformer a western pro-western leader by the way with the help uh of Paul Manafort who helps Yanukovych get reelected in two thousand ten. There's yet another revolution against him. That we call now the Euro my don revolution the Ukrainians call this the revolution of dignity which is how they prefer for it to be called in fact in the West as well and then we get ed patrol. Persian go becomes the president of Ukraine following the ousting of victory undercover who still hiding out in Russia and fast fast forward. We have elections in Ukraine now. The sheer and Shinko now loses pretty significant way in pretty embarrassing pursing way to somebody named Zilenski a television comedian very popular in Russia's well who has a very popular show in which he plays a schoolteacher who becomes an accidental president now of course you know in a way of reality replicating fiction we have Zilenski excuse to play president. TV become president real life and here we are we have president's alinsky dreamers. Keen Ukraine are former television actor. You're a comedian comes out the blue huge landslide victory over petro per Shaneco and a few months later we get these interesting phone calls so let me ask you a little more about Dolinsky before we get into the details of this phone call between him and trump. What is it about him that that vaults him to this unexpected expected victory. What is it that he's campaigning on. The people find attractive well. What's interesting is that he doesn't really campaign on anything. this may sound familiar to a lot of Americans meaning that he doesn't really have policy proposals or a vision for Ukraine he basically creates a new movement called Servant of the people which is the name of his very popular comedy show and at that point meaning this past spring in April which is when the presidential elections happen in a partial goes rose. WHO's the incumbent and the time his approval ratings are just dismal single digits and they've been in the single digits for a long time increasingly the has to do with the fact doc that Ukrainians are frustrated. They're not seeing change you know people died on the streets in Kiev during the my son Revolution Twenty thirteen twenty four gene that happened two thousand four. This was the first time that we actually see Ukrainians dying on the streets. There's a war in Ukraine's eastern. Donbas which Russia has started started over thirteen thousand Ukrainians died in that war. Crimea's occupied by Russia right so the context now. Is You know clearly that Ukraine crane has closed the door to the east. It's closed the George Russia and clearly headed towards the West but to head towards the West. You actually have to have rule of law. Oh you can't have a corrupt government. you can't have a close procurement system for example. You have to have judicial independence all these principles also in institutions of democracy and par. Shinko doesn't get things done at the pace that Ukrainians are satisfied with they become increasingly to me frustrated with the fact that corruption continues to remain their societies things like everyday corruption. You like you have to bribe the police offer. Sony get pulled over. You have to bribe five eight developer. If you're trying to buy an apartment I mean every single day and of course it's high level corruption of the political level and so at that point and Zilenski takes hold of an opportunity people are looking for new blood. They're looking for new faces. They're tired of these politicians. The only other potential candidate candidate in April during the presidential elections is also kind of an old familiar face. The Mula Timoshenko who was already Prime Minister wants to a two thousand four was in jail beyond coverage but long story. She's been around for a long time. People don't really trust her. and so- zilenski comes out boo but at the same time. I think people are just looking for a new face the looking for anything that's not the old regime and he wins by a huge landslide over seventy percent and and is a huge embarrassment departure Shangqiu but also beautiful moment for Ukraine because this is one of the first this is the first time where you have a completely peaceful transition of power up pershing co you have to give it to him resigns in a very diplomatic way and it happens like democratic process should happen and of course the Russians Russians looking onto this some Russians anyways in Russia with they've had Putin now for almost twenty years and looking to Ukraine they can't imagine Putin relinquishing shing power volunteer. They can't imagine that happening in their own countries so again here we have another wedge that starts to separate a Ukraine and Russia abusively forever and you mentioned the the sort of pull between East and West that Ukraine is going through and that is something that we've you've seen for for many many years obviously just tell me a little bit more about the way in which Ukraine is sort of trying to decide decide whether it's throwing its lot with the West with the in the US versus Russia and what sort of factions are well. What's interesting about situation. Ukraine now is the the pro Russian faction. I mean they used to be. You know Communist parties in Ukraine until very very recently now how you can you there is no communist party they're still a full was formerly a Pro-russian Party Associate Degree College but they weaken significantly and so what's happening in Ukraine now is that basically there is no more inbetween for the Clinton people. You couldn't even see themselves belonging being in Europe they see themselves as you often hear them say fighting the war for Europe meaning a little war against the Russian invasion in eastern Ukraine they see themselves as the as the front lines of Europe. You hear this a lot and they want to have rule of law. They want to have a societies Zaidi's that are open they want to integrate into the EU despite everything that's happening in the right. Now I think the majority opinion still want this because they see the especially as embodying freedom and liberties and that's where Ukraine is going and if you go to Ukraine to key of now and if you had been there ah before two thousand fourteen right now you go there and it feels like Berlin or Stockholm. I mean just a everyone speaks English. It feels very fashionable and hipster Sir Okay Brooklyn or something like that so you can even feel it in in the cultural changes and so the door to Russia has has been shut and so the only path forward now is towards the West yet of course that can't really happen because Russia occupied Crimea and because there's an active if if low-intensity conflict in Ukraine east so with all that his background let's dive into the call so the the the first sort of moment in this transcript of this now infamous phone call between Donald Trump and presidents alinsky. Is this point where trump says. I will say we do a lot for Ukraine. We spend a lot of effort and a lot of time and then he goes on to say you know that the European Union isn't doing enough the the United States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn't say it's reciprocal. Necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very good to Ukraine. So what is he talking about their so their president trump is not wrong so after Russia invades Crimea in two thousand fourteen and takes over and then starts to win the NBA's the entire international community this was during the Obama Administration still comes together and tries to implement a common strategy energy to deterring continued Russian aggression and to help you defend himself against Russian military aggression the EU typically does not ah provide military support and aid but they step in eventually significant packages for democracy development. You know various forms of on the ground aid to civil society organizations independent media..
"ukraine" Discussed on Today, Explained
"Kind of ramming his ships and possibly keeping Ukrainian ships out of the Azov where about eighty percent of Ukraine's exports. Go through would definitely hurt the Ukrainian economy, which is struggling to recover during the war that it's still fighting making poor shaneco, look, bad and hurting Ukraine's economy could basically doom for shank of at least. That's that's one theory. Okay. The third reason is that Putin is definitely losing some popularity in Russia. So don't get me wrong. He's still based on poll numbers alone fairly popular. He's around sixty seven ish percent. But in April, he was in the eighties, and one of the reasons he's losing popularity is because despite the fact that he's promised a great revolution in Russia's economy. You know, everyone's going to benefit we're going to be a great world power that hasn't happened. Yeah. And every time poll slip Putin seems to find a way to do something pretty massive to get people on his side like his pull. Numbers are slipping in two thousand fourteen he sees his Crimea. They skyrocket. You know? Maybe he goes keeping the Ukrainians out of important see showing that I have more control over Ukraine than people think I do might help me. Get my poll numbers backup. It's unclear if all three regions of responsible of one of those responsible, but experts I've talked to point to those three as you know, why Russia would really be doing this. Now, I mean all of these elements, you know, escalating, an existing conflict ramming ships elections approval ratings. I it sounds like you've got all the elements of like the beginnings of an all out war. Is there a chance that this escalates into an international conflict between that that other players get involved in? Yes. But it's so small that I wouldn't worry about it. We don't have to add this to our list of things to worry about. No, I think there are apocalyptic headlines about this World War three is imminent. And look it could spiral Knockin to you. That's a possibility. But it's very. That I wouldn't wear here. Russia and Ukraine. Do not want a war here. No one really wants a war here. What it does look like though is the opening of a big new front in the Russia. Ukraine fight. Coming up the Russia. Ukraine fight. This is today explained..
"ukraine" Discussed on Fresh Air
"Ukraine and the 1930s wishes the period your book covers with seen as like the breadbasket for the soviet union um so when there was a famine ukraine became especially important to the soviet union yes you ukraine was important to the soviet union from the beginning as the source of much of its grain ukraine famously has to growing seasons it has a whole region called the black earth district which is unusually fertile soil and ukrainian important to these artist empire and then later took to the ussr as a source of grain and this of course was one of the reasons why uh the the soviets was very anxious not to lose ukraine and so during the civil war in 1917 in eighteen enormous efforts were made to keep ukraine to make sure that the ukrainian independence movement which at that time wanted to create a sovereign ukrainian state a didn't succeed in so there was that that motivation in addition to stalin's fear that ukrainian nationalism could pose a challenge to bolshevism ideal ideologically as well so you know there's a famine it gets worst because of the actions stalin takes just give us a sense of how bad the famine was in ukraine i mean you talk about some of the things that people eight when they couldn't find food like boiling their belts and eating backwell eight people eight leather they leaves the eight grass they eight cats and dogs the squirrels i read about people boiling frogs and toads trying to make bread or bake things make some kind of flour at of leaves and roots that it you know luckier people people who live near rivers were able to fish of course and people who lived near forests were able to gather mushrooms but unluckier people who didn't have those kinds of um who didn't have that kind of foodsource star very very quickly one of the things that happens when you starve as that you die.
"ukraine" Discussed on Fresh Air
"No russia doesn't want to annex ukraine russia wants to undermine ukraine and undermine any ukrainian government that would pose any kind of ideological or other challenge to russia russia wants to see ukraine as a kind of colony as a country that will pay it feel t that will follow its political system that will be a comfortable place for russians to do business so the story that you tell in your book a bat stalin's war on ukraine and how he helped orchestrate a famine in ukraine do you see that as connecting in some way with us with what's happening now between russia and ukraine it connects in a number of ways i think the most the most interesting way is stones motivation stolen saw ukraine as a problem not just not just for him politically but for his entire for the bolshevik revolution and he sought to undermine ukraine and to eliminate ukraine as a challenge as a as a as a sovereign nation because he feared that it could undermine bolshevism and that is not the same but it similar to the way in which putin views ukraine he sees any any ukraine that was pro democracy any ukraine that was close to europe politically and economically this is a challenge to his political system because his political system is a corrupt allergan oligarchy and he fears exactly the kind of emotions that led people to the streets in kiev so i think it's fair to say that these are two rulers who've both seen in ukraine is source of anarchy of discontent of possible trouble for their own political systems.
"ukraine" Discussed on Planet Money
"To understand what was going on here it helps to think of ukraine is kind of to ukraine's east and west the east borders russia it's got more russianspeakers the west borders europe and as more ukrainian speakers and east and west do not different ethnicities they're more like cultural groups but there has been friction in the past and response as it was easy for russian news to insert itself into this divide they want one part of the country's russianspeaking to hate another part of the country ukrainianspeaking then what other the bush eliana nonhazardous this was one of those stories on russian tv it reported that ukrainian soldiers had seized the russianspeaking toddler ritually stabbed him in the nailed him to a plank of wood a literal crucifixion evil dead the among the huzzah momma little shali among us about that i love a vet those so if not mckenzie guide you stop big team and other outlets looked into the story there were no other witnesses this crucifixion supposedly happened in front of a huge crowd stop fake also found extremely similar phrasing in the facebook post of a russian extremist published three days before the tv channel reported it and a few months before that a very similar crucifixion seen playing out in a show that is very popular marsha game of thrones that's it for this week remember considering fake news is bad for your health your brain and the psychological climate of society at first stop with success beyond what responded even imagined debunked stories were hit on social media and other news outlets picked up their stories more than that the stop big crew volunteers felt like they were winning the war the war for truth.