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Soundbite: Trust But Verify

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Soundbite: Trust But Verify

"Welcome to the property. Voice cost helping to navigate safely from the world property and get the low down an updates insights and outcomes on all matters property with the property. Voice a voice to trust among the crowd. Now let's get started with your house. Richard brown hello and welcome to another episode of the props. Avoid podcast my name is richard brown and as always it's a pleasure to have you join me again on the show today trust but verify. Yep that's the subject of today and thank you for everyone who wrote in insisting that cover the topic of due-diligence. Yeah that's actually one of you. Nobody contacted me after the mentions. I gave it over the last couple of weeks. Saying i was thinking about doing episode on due diligence and i was putting off and putting off covering other topics and i said if anybody wrote in i would The topic nobody did. But you know. I'm going to be your own. Which is for your own. Good right so Stick with me here. i'm gonna try and make it as painless as possible. You will thank me later. And if you don't thank me later you'll be having these words ringing in your ears. Perhaps at some point in the future as you probably gonna find out either for yourself or through my own experiences at least now if all goes well you also here nina who works for me as my development manager give the russian version of trust but verify trust but verify so. I'm going to have an selfish delivery. I know not predator and a pre completely ruined the russian version of that. But but here's the thing trust but verify became famous as a quotation or saying the ronald reagan former. Us president gave roundabout in the eighties clearly when he was years. President and a lot of people attribute that that quotation trust but verify to him. But i share what. I look to the source of the or the origin rather of the of the quotation and where it came from in fact it is based on a russian proverb and And i guess you know. Reagan was cross smart feller actually and he probably you know they'll going for the cold war time he probably looked out for a russian saying or proverb that you could latch onto to help we've relations or make his point politically etc. But when she won't greenie was probably not lost on the russians perhaps or maybe it was lost on the russians for him to pick up on such a russian proverb in the dealings had with them so they may have but that's where it came from. And what does it mean. I guess means that we will see. We need to go forward. We can't just you know live in a little under a rock not venture out and be afraid of everything. The big bad world is out there but so we need to venture out there. I don't know why but of funding nemo just as a picture in my mind the moment you know finding nemo going out and venturing despite maybe the big sharks out there are going to eat us as a parallel. Isn't it to property in many ways. So yeah thanks Finding nemo popping into my mind there unexpectedly. you can tell this is unscripted. Call but you know. Tr- trust yes. We need to trust people and mainly people but it's also corporations which consists of people essentially and we need to trust but we need to verify what people telling us and that is the moral of this particular story so hopefully by the end of it. If you haven't already got it then you're going to get it. So i think i can due diligence to pinning and onion and did not. She writes This december article for wiping magazine is is also by the same title. Trust but verify foot. so i'm going to overlap a little bit. The content so spoiler alert people read my column in wipe yan. Yes you're going to hear a little bit of sir reference in this podcast episode and vice versa. But i'm not some different elements in just to make it a little bit different but in that particular article i did talk about the The process of ju- diligence is much like peeling an onion in other words is layer after layer after layer. Just as there is with an onion did also make the corny. Dad joke for you know it can often make you cry will. The reality is if you don't peel the layers of the onion in this case it will make you cry where it actually in cooking or know obviously preparing an onion The it's it's actually the process of peeling the layers or chopping onion. Which will make you cry in. This particular case is not shopping. Not feeling that will make you cry. And what i mean by that is if we don't do thorough diligence than we may end up paying a price later on so something to if i could say we only must one skill in this business. Just pick one. It would be this master. The skill of undertaking adequately thorough due diligence. That would be that would be number one. I thought about it long and hard It isn't about being creative. It isn't about picking the right strategy. It isn't about hustling. it isn't about just putting yourself out. There isn't about mindset actually. It's about due-diligence and due-diligence is making sure that you you take the right moves and you don't come unstuck in making them and it's going to you know i think investing turn to talk about protect the capital protect the downside old costs but of course you know if you're any kind of entrepreneur if you're an economy invested there's gonna be risk and we've risk comes rewards so we need to venture out but you know at the same time making sure we've got adequate protections in place and that protection comes down to us so we are responsible ultimately for everything that happens to us in our investments in property business in fact should just do extend it into the psychological realm. But we're responsible and serve breasts centers and the biggest responsibility of all. I can not stress enough. If you're not picking up already is to undertake for due diligence. We'll a lot of people talk about research and due diligence and they do go hand in hand but they all fight distinct and different. So i'm just gonna read out. So research is a general assessment of a market and or potential service providers to arrive at a shortlist to select from whereas due diligence a specific analysis of property or service provider in order to arrive at clear investment decision or service provider appointment. We've chosen selection so in other words if you can imagine it's kind of a funnel research is at the top of the funnel so it's gathering information collating condensing into a central place to produce a shortlist essentially whereas due diligence is to take that short list and drill down deep and to make a fun. Help make a final single selection in the area that we're coming. In june diligence research goes wind. Due-diligence goes deep. I guess is probably the summary our give particular point so there is a distinction. Don't get trapped into thinking if you've done research that you've done due diligence or vice versa. Both for actually necessary skills. But i would say the one that is most necessary due diligence to actually you can have a choice of one And have a binary choice. Yes or no. If you do adequate due diligence you should be protected as a result of that so you. You can't go wrong by being good at due diligence even if you haven't got adequate research in place but because it's best to have both and of course one laboring this point. I'm laboring it because in the high ticket world of property There is you know. There's a lot at stake frankly there's a lot of money around. Involved in transactions prophesied partnerships property dealings. And of course You know the people who want to get a piece of the action if you like and some people perhaps a little bit more unscrupulous than others They don't necessarily have raw ethics. Or perhaps they just motivated in different way or seeing the world in a different way. And i just want to present information to us that we have to to Not flashing qualified to make sure we make the right decision. So i got i think of light. But the point in terms of the introduction as to the importance of due diligence. But i really did want to elaborate so nate now wanted to want to do is give you a couple of tools really To help you with the judean diligence process should be easy to say you. Shouldn't it's probably why people say research is easy. Cited your diligence. So i think the in terms of the layers of the onion at the very basic level outside the three layers and i break this down into what i call the spa model. Spf spa model and that stands for stakeholders property an area. So you can't really forget candy so if you starts at the altoona area Stakeholders and move in property and area probably rashes goes either way moves into stakeholders moves into property. Now maybe i'm going to talk about the reverse order. No i'm not. I'm going to talk about them in. That's an uptick in order. So if we talked about stakeholders the stakeholders really somebody who could be involved in our property transaction It's anyone and everyone that could be involved. So of course this could include professionals that could be solicitors. Accountants brokers of as project managers quantity surveyors. It's cetera. It could be traits people and i think at one point i did a dentist sort of a rough list of the fourteen. I think it was fourteen types of trade. That could be involved in a in a fairly vanilla single transaction from coppin says and bricklayers plumbers traditions and cop. If it's thinking masa twice but you get the picture could be. Several traits are involved in a transaction. And then you've got Different types of Of agents you could letting agent a sourcing agents an estate agent coast we've got we've got people staying the property so we can have attendant or guest for example depending on what type of strategy adopting and then. I guess we've got partners. Pollen is a bit of a catch phrase which could literally include investment partners. It could include lenders business. Partners service providers trainers and mentors so there's different types of category Within the stakeholder setting and we need to have a jew diligence steps put in place to be able to to vet and verify all the people that were getting involved in so yeah it kinda sounds like a lot. Doesn't it that we could. We could be involved in. So i think most important is to verify the credentials and the claims the allied independent as far as possible. And and just to give you an example. I was dating with a contractor recently. So that's in the area of trades. guess and they. They provided references. They talked about their experience. They just talked to good game essentially. And i'm going to be honest with you because the way to really convey this message is to reveal some of the mistakes and points that i've had in my life and my business dealings which will maybe help you toward the same ones. Maybe just put you a little bit on notice that you ought to go through some of these steps. Because if i can make these mistakes then showed a. You can make these mistakes and cropper as well so needless to say i had. I had recommendation of this particular person had two people. I trust who actually sounded them out onto this builder out and said yet seems really good guy Happy to work with them. You know local locally base well connected. We need in this particular case was who's a conservation area so Specialized in conservation had had previous dealings of dating. We've projects could even even showed me. I was literally standing outside prophecy and pointed at a property opposite that it worked on really did talk a good game. Everything seemed fine and yet there was one simple step. Di- didn't take the. If i did take would have raised a red flag at the time and you know what was coming. I didn't take that step. i didn't raise the red flag and therefore it didn't dig any deeper because i wasn't aware of it until it was too late. And so some way down the line. This particular contract to connor turned on me for once for a better description and and roundabout mid-september was telling me the two projects that he was responsible for would both be delivered on budget. In fact she wanted from would be deliver below budget. So is gonna be on budget. One was going to be below budget. Everything seems absolutely fine. And which is carried on by mid-september phospholipids. Not not long two to three weeks later. And i had a bit of a surprise a one of the projects. I was asked to pay an extra twenty thousand pounds now. He's up one hundred. Fifty thousand pound Quotation the for the work. And i was asked to pay twenty thousand pounds. Now we're about sixty percent into that particular project and two to three weeks pre previously. I've been told we should finish on budget so knowing what really happened in a couple of weeks nothing significant nothing earth shattering really happened as what's going on here and coincidently. The second project was still forecast to run Actually on the revised budget which was in fact a cost saving so okay so one budget was going to go a little bit above budget okay. It's been more than ten percents. Isn't it but neither was still going to be running onto budget so it's probably you know. Maybe maybe ten thousand over onto projects wasn't too much of a disaster I guess but the long bell studied to sort of ring a little bit. How could you tell me two to three weeks ago. That was gonna run on budget and now it's going to run over budget and there was no rationale there was no justification he just was what it was. It is what it is is what i was told and asked to accept. Needless to say my My project managers when and how to compensation with the contractor and was at we're asking him to produce a a remaining program works it to justify the extra twenty thousand pounds expense and in doing so. They essentially have been scripture identified savings or you could say identified the areas he was we challenge against. I'll give you an example. He is an estimate of supplying fit to fire does in in this apartment. Congressional was rocked conversion into apartments that we were doing and this vs fighters and I asked him. How much would if i adore about. Twenty five pounds. How much would it cost to fit. Seventy five pounds is in that vicinity hundred pounds to supply and fit fighters and yet he had four hundred pounds to supply fit five dollars. And when i tell you the twenty they you see that was quite significant. Money quite significant variances figures so we managed to nick back about six thousand pounds. Needless to say by saying we've just told us it's under pounds to supply fifty five dollars. You quoted eight thousand so that six thousand saving out of this wait and see and that exits repeated on a couple of occasions if you like and we managed to get the twenty thousand pounds down to back again. We will happy. Also we thought anyway. This particular contractor decided to come back again and what he did. This time is the the second project which was delivered was forecast the budget and even even at the latest round was said but It would run at at budget. Lo and behold had another requests for twenty thousand pounds of extra so we looked down twenty thousand pounds on the first project. only for. it's a pop up on the second project so you can see what's going on. Just one hundred twenty thousand pounds from us right so offer. Twenty thousand pounds on that one and again. It wasn't easily justified. Let's say and not not to mention to three weeks before there was going to run on budget. Even you know within one day it was still going to be running at the same sorts of level at low behold we were hits up with a request for more cost. Not only that but on the first project not this twenty thousand pounds that the contractor came back office for they in fact up that request to forty thousand and without a willing to entertain the breakdown of how that was made up. So we've suddenly gone from mid-september everything's gonna run on proj- sorry budget two to three weeks later early october. Sixty thousand pounds of extras out of nowhere and We're scratching our heads and trying to figure out what is going on long. You could look at it whichever way you want apps. They were managing the project costing badly. Perhaps they were just greedy. Perhaps whatever you know they they would just running into financial difficulties in and we were seen as a way out for this. So yeah i'm not gonna boy with a whole story but needless to say we actually had to remove this contract from the project because not only did he refused to bring the costing down. He became catan to deal with all quick aggressive. Just refusing to cooperate rating. And so i just thought the best thing to do was to move on. Now here's the thing. And i'm making the point. I'm telling you all of this. So that you understand what could be avoided. That red flags i told you about was his company background and normally i would say look on companies house look for the individual that company will look for the company then look for the directors and then search on the directors and look at their of the directorships. That's just something. I would normally suggest it's miu diligence checklists. No less and i didn't do not and i did it in out of curiosity really won't happened him. Learn now okay. now. I'm trying to learn so Something happened trying to learn how could be avoided so i went back through. The process identified really the economy. Put a lot of trust His the keyword in this individual and also because of the recommendations or referrals. The opinion if you like if people close to me. And i didn't take all of the steps. I should have taken as a result of that and needless to say over the last sort of decade. Let's say that this individual has had multiple companies have gone on for about two years and then been suddenly dissolved and went to look into the businesses. Which is something during that situation. Why is that you just don't questions. I'm not saying it's untoward but is just something that you would follow up. Well why is that. Wasn't there wasn't a lot of history of heavy losses. As far as i could see there was one business that made a minor loss but the rest. They didn't really seem to find any accounts. Actually so there was no real audit trail not sense. but that's in itself is a red flag so you can almost imagine a scenario. Somebody sets up in business. They have a couple of days of trade their eve You know don't produce our council over. Jiro their accounts and then they dissolved company. And who knows what's going on. It's not visible to the public For example they have losses. They haven't found accounts having paid the tax and bat they they props owe people money and they folded the business and then phoenix it in a new disguise. Two years later on. I know that. I know that and yet i didn't take that step being very vulnerable here. The meeting. i'm a stay can home due diligence checklists. But i'm telling you just so you're aware so. They just actually mentioned due-diligence checklist. Now a couple of times. So he won a copy of my g diligence checklists. Just just ping me a podcast. Probably voice start. Now i'll share it with the The only warning. I would say make sure you follow it. That's it you probably learned from my mistake. we're going through a bit of pain now in terms of dealing with this particular a contractor but i just wanted to make that point so any. I'm pops if you only seen also share copied. Wipe ian article with you as well because it goes into a bit more depth. Because i've told you that long meandering story about the contractor. I probably don't have time now to tell you about that in this particular case. So then he didn't that stakeholders so we're talking about a spa model. I spin stakeholders. Well the p. stems for property and in this particular case. I also have a checklist. Now i have a checklist about the criteria. the i i'm looking for in any given strategy so much. Criteria does vary. So if i'm looking vanilla bites it varies from commercial conversion to an hmo or service accommodation type of project unknown involved in multiple types of strategy multiple multiple types of project and in fact in several countries alone location. So i have to have checklist to make that make mistake. People like warren buffett. Charlie munger some of the greatest investors of old times. They recommend highly having having checklists. So i've been. I've been a do have them. And most of the time i do use them and what they do is they. They just remind us tried. Syria are what are we actually looking for and they help us therefore to avoid slipping into Emotional decision making on objective bias. You'd argue that the any bias is the enemies enemies. The investors enemy chief and so we can avoid those by being very pragmatic very objective. Less emotional less subjective. Then it's going to help us out as an investor. So have a checklist. What are you looking for and not just have a couple of by the way there is not such a thing as a perfect investment. There is not such a thing as a one hundred percent. Score on my checklist I don't think i've ever had one hundred percent school So there was some kind of trade off with any type profile property any type of investment. So don't expect perfection But equally. Have a checklist and have some sort of grading system so that you can quantify decision making out of call some elements on the checklist. More important than other ones. Some are non-negotiable. Let's say that so. I think the point of having a checklist with your criteria in terms of the property and And to make sure that you you know you adhere to that and just as a little little sidebar I've got friend of mine He's he's actually is an expert. He's he's been working in while they've offset living and working in the foreign country and he's gonna probably relocate next year and what he wants to do is just put a put a foothold in in the he's working impacts for longtime presence and have a longtime investment in that bit in that country for the future so he's been asking my advice really what what what should he do. How do you go about things. of course he's a friend. I'm going to going to help him out. And we've been having these conversations and he eats ultimately today and he said well initially when we're talking city he wanted to invest in a certain location and had a certain idea remind what he wants you to achieve so he didn't want to project for example. He didn't definitely didn't want to do that. Just wanted to buy decent investment. Minimal works going to return. Certain amounts of money fairly hands off passive investment. Given that he's gonna be leaving the country and so the next thing is he's he's engaged a couple of people to help him to find these find some properties and and they've introduced him to out of area perhaps needs a little bit of work and he's got this this this promise this lure of like will in a year you can have a significant increase in your investment. Want hijack nine so he run it. You wanted to speak to me about it. We had a conversation over the weekend and basically the conclusion was will. What what are your criteria an allston. What are your criteria rattling off. I said you've got those written down. And he said no. I said the first thing he needs to write down your criteria and then compare it with what you being presented with. Does it match. And he said no. It doesn't but you know. I'm kind of being drawn towards because of persuasiveness. If you like of the person who's presenting him the opportunity and so it's it's about knowing what you want became with being crystal clear on that flowing a an object process not subject to process and and then and then sticking to your guns really unless there's a very very good reason why and then take your time if i situation. So i'm not saying the soda. Tentative investment was going to be bad but it was definitely not what he was really looking for. So i think you need a very good reason to be able to change his mind and of course what he did he spoke to me. Which brings me to my next point. Which is to bring in specially so experts or wise people boys counselors if you like to help you in that respect so with the property that could be a survey for example and i'll give you a quick example. There aren't being caught out. And which my help you so. She bought a prophecy without having a full survey done and on one occasion. I bought property which isn't it isn't a conservation area and had some windows are being replaced I know this until later but hadn't got the necessary consents but it wasn't really tough situation. But it wasn't picked up a survey and then the The sellers the vendors if you like they produce their information packs no mention of any window replacement so it wasn't picked up through the legal process. It wasn't identified through evaluation process. Barren mind i employed an annoyance i prayed employed value and yet nobody picks up windows and then because we realize the conservation office cabanas these replacement windows not compliant. They need to be box sash. But the not say you replace them. Yes i need to replace him. Because i'm now the legal the property and of course i'm backtracking trying to find out. How how did this happen. How has it happened. And long story short because it wasn't easily traceable. I've tried lots of ways by the white. We know that they did it. But they've covered that tracks. They being the previous owners. They've covered their tracks. They didn't disclose it We even know who supplied the winters. We know who supplied windows but we cannot get any written evidence that they were supplied under their ownership and so yup. It's a tough one. So they deliberately. In other words ductless system and in the past on the responsibility to us so not always feeling run about twenty thousand pounds with a windows Is having to deal with the moment. Haven't given up I know who supplied to windows and just watch this space. But i just wanted to let you know that can happen so What warning property. Not just a checklist but usually bringing specialists. And you know. Be very thorough. Be very diligent annual diligence when it comes to the property so we pay and then we have the a so. The eye in the spa model stands for area. So some people they know where they're gonna invest because they're going to invest probably where they live or possibly where they work though too obvious choices but if you live and work. Let's say in a high cost area low-yield area maybe that's not the best idea if you and the best of your money. So a lot of us tend to look outside of the area that we live in and are working to get better investment returns and cool taxes into unfamiliar territory. And so how do we identify a decent area to invested. It's one of the most common questions i get. August actually is the. How do i find area. And i would say this. I've got a to me. I tend to use to help identify area. It's not as simple as this but this will help cover off egypt's sameh the ground that needs to cover those models are the big three and the star criteria. So i'm just gonna take what they mean now so let's start with the big three so the big three just really three things that you can look to help you when you're doing your area. Research and due diligence and to narrow down the areas the something like two hundred or more decent size towns and cities in the uk. So that's quite difficult to narrow it down to one. So how do we do that. Quote the detroit. We'll give you a click. So i'm the first one is population so people in other words where people hanging out where they congregating so we've got some relevant points. We've got two people. We've got the overall size of the population so a catchment area in my own personal case for example. I'm usually looking to invest in a catch in a population sort of urban area. Let's call it at all or is quoted a banana off at least seventy five thousand people or more. So if it's less than seventy five thousand people for me that suggesting that maybe there's a there's not so much demand for for property looking mainly and not just rental but also sale point of view here so you know maybe there's not so much demand not so much she activity and so you know it's it makes it harder to get predictability in terms of the data as well for that matter so i have a minimum cutoff size. Espn hundred thousand is now more. Like seventy five thousand have is a flint. Parking probably do a flip in a level population area on a canada for rental. Absolutely i think overall size but the next thing is this is really important. Look at trends population trends growth trends net migration population growth etcetera. Look those trains and you this quote number of sources. I'm not gonna reference mohair. But i'm sure you can find them About central growth trends historically projecting. Forward if you just look at the housing plan usually on the local authority website or give some clues about housing demand different types of tenure over usually the next decade. So that's something that i look at it. So if you're coming so decent sony's area to begin with and you won't is trending a not trending down. Then you're gonna do. I will the second one is Is buyer or tenant demand obviously depending on your exit strategy. So if you're flipping on demand if you're renting tenant demont so i'm looking at this so is a couple of things that you can do here. Nominee i look on the portal size right moving supra principally an just look at the distinction between the properties available For full scale. Let's say if it's flipped off for rent if it's rental and i click on that little button that says include or exclude Sign agreed or disagreed. And i look the difference. How many properties are are in that particular location. Of course you can expand the location to launch as you wish so. We're looking for the general catchment area around that particular property so you know usually a postcode area within the course of a mile ideally But perhaps you can extend that location just to kinda get a feel for the relatives supply and demand when you first through the sugar or whether not eighty including letter grade and sixty excluding. Let's agreed what does that. Tell me the best way to interpret. That data is to repeat that same process in different locations. Then you've got comparison yougov benchmark. So that's nice thing. I'd say i'm going to go into to stay touches because they recognize of running on time and then the other one is to look Home dot co dot eu. Which is a great resource. And the reason. I looked home don't county. Uk is for this. It has the average time on the market statistics. So you can have these time in the market for sale average time on the market for rent and that tells you how hot amok it is. And i typically say if the average time is one hundred twenty one hundred and fifty days or more that's quite a coal market that's for sales if it's so sixty days forty five days or less. It's really hallmarking. So i'm looking. I usually them looking for the sweet spot. One cool the goldilocks area. Not too hot to cold. And that's probably somewhere between forty five and sixty and one hundred and twenty eight hundred and fifty that would be. This'll be benchmark lower. Look for so that we got ten or demont and then the third of the big three is Price and rental movements. We're headed so you looking here is trends so you trends your friend until he turns against you of course So obviously we do get I've ebbs and flows in terms of trends but if you can catch an upward trend or at least a static trend then you should be canes choosing your location. Ideally picking up with trend of course. So what am i saying. Hey we're looking for prices or rents are trending upwards. Of course you could be a little bit contrarian and go for something that ziva trended down or is it the bottom and might pick up. So i'm not going to drill into that too much in this podcast episode but is something of a skill that you could develop but you need to have your wits about you to make sure that you are picking up the rights to write trend information that you haven't just picked up a dog of and that's going to let you down and just gonna keep going down down down. So they're the big three that can be useful in terms of assessing area and then getting a little bit sort of more micro once you've got in the area so the big three helps you identify a shortlist of areas and then this next one stop criteria helps you sort of narrow it down a bit. Further and the stock criteria. It's pneumonic that spells out to stock clearly and that stands for schools transport authorities and revenue. And so these are just some things help you really narrow down search so schools. It's relevant for a lot of people. Obviously if you're letting students and schools inclusion of us is in this context and if you're letting to families schools is very very relevant good. Schools are a poll they will pull your property upwards in terms of demand potentially rents or prices so you looking for decent schools in the area and the catchment area of your particular property so always look at school writings. This is of course assuming the peop- you're targeting people were Some sort of academic institution relevant so usually schools are families of course if you're looking for young professionals he's not quite so relevant so you can. Then maybe go go. A little bit counterintuitive and avoid. The sort of the high school catchment area the university locations potentially at if you're targeting young professional so you can apply a little bit of judgement is what i'm saying is is schools and the team is transport. What i mean by that will usually. I'm looking for the property to be with entitled twenty minutes so the nearest appropriate transport connection town centre. So town centre up you. How how long would it take to walk into town if it's more of a commute I'm looking for you. Know depending on the tenant profile or the by profile. It's the train travel bus station Or it could be a major trunk road if people as a commuter town for example. So i'm looking for how accessible it is. How connected is property in terms of transportation links. There's never top in action when she's brought back. But i went mentioned that this point in time since the next one is the amenities. What i mean by manatees. Sharp spas restaurants banks post office. Healthcare facilities that thing Yes things are going to get back to this point. Yes we're all together out and entertain ourselves and these are a big draw for buyers so we should be looking at these how accessible they are How can they do the shopping and get around and get what the needs to get done from this property or is it going to be difficult because people don't want difficult. They want ease easiness. So look at immunities within the general catchment area of the prophecy that you might be considering all reverse the logic and target season with. We've seen it isn't a particular catchment area. And then we saw an offense for revenue and revenues bit of a cheek allows me to spell the word star and so revenue in this context essentially means jobs and inward investment. So the the money as the money comes jobs it comes from investment and investment can be public sector investment or you know in terms of infrastructure projects for example and it could be a private sector investment for example the the building of a new warehouse or Thinking of off here on time come the everywhere right now but we knew amazon warehouse. He's going to create jobs in hope for example where i'm familiar with On that there's like a green sector expansions of businesses going into that into that location. That's going to be boy. Oh to blow up. The market is going crease. Him on for housing generally speaking. And and what's the local economy like in other words. So they're the things that you need to take into consideration when she drilled down. You've got an area generally and if you start looking at property You know you can sort of this hybrid that the extra live. The onion is somewhere between between area between prophecy. You look the star. A criteria checklist. So i mentioned checklists. A couple of times If you like copies of mine. Checklists really easy. Go to places that there was a lot more wanted to talk about actually in general principles how to manage your your money et cetera. Some just generalized. But they're in the checklist so italy. What if you're interested. Just drop me. An email podcast. The property voice dot net. I'll share my checklist that will get you going. And it'll help you in this. Context for undertaking proper judean. So we spokane along the spokane. More than i expected to in all honesty on this topic today hopefully with a little bit of somatic though some personal stories didn't give you a personal story about the area location Issues off had Let me give you one. She before i finish so yeah. I had a prophecy bought in an area Aboard in the in in the states actually in chicago south side of chicago and So many boasted burns it down Didn't didn't just burn it down that. She tried twice unsuccessfully to burn it down to the third time they actually succeeded so maybe the area wasn't the best. I guess is the point. The when i was talking to the forest has is like weiner. Why do people do this. And they said well normally targeting one of two to one or two people even you as the owner will the occupants tenants of the property. So maybe there was seven save. Resent that i wasn't sure it's being managed by letting agents that wasn't show who they put in their needless to say yes. The party was There was an awesome attack and down. Fortunately nobody was hurt and even more felt fortunately for me. I had proper insurance. That was okay so given those. Hopefully i've made the topic of due-diligence little less dull boring and painful. But trust me on this as i mentioned rotten trust but verify. It's probably the biggest most essential skill. Set that you could learn develop and implement into your policy business of giving you some examples of where tried to implement. It also told you of the pain actually. Sometimes i know. I know i need to do not just haven't done for a couple of reasons could make my excuses to you relied on other people for example. But i never do that. Should always make my own checks. You should too and hopefully will keep you safe out. Because there's a bunch of sharks wait to take money basically so Get good at diligence. And maybe that won't happen to you or less frequently. So yes we're in the high ticket area. These things do happen so take care of them. Well then you go of rutland a bit longer than i expected to. I thought it'd be a short episode. Is not sorry about that. But i'll joylin now if you'd like to see the show nights they'll be over the website. The prophecy voiced net as they usually are taught. Me name mentioned podcast. The property voice dot net if on the checklist. So wanna talk about this topic. Happy to talk to swap some initial notes on that no problem at all but i guess you know i'm gonna finish off now or you know all the remains to say really is thanks once again for listening again this week and look forward to token to you and hear from you on the policy voice cast next time find you for listening. Today now voiced nets for more inspirational cones ends and gets through our mailing list. Join us next time on the property voice podcast and if you enjoyed the show. Don't forget to us on i tunes.

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The Guilty Feminist Crossover #5: RHLSTPGF

The Guilty Feminist

1:11:15 hr | 1 year ago

The Guilty Feminist Crossover #5: RHLSTPGF

"Hello and welcome to another in a series of guilty feminists crossover podcasts. In this season we crossover with some of our favorite podcast and muschamp are formats today it's Richard Herrings Leicester Square Theatre podcast otherwise known as realistic so today you're listening to realistic Ghafur when when I went on his show he asked me for Batum if the sex robot you were having sex with details now also many of you have heard this refugee camp in Lesbos in Greece is designed for three thousand people it has ten thousand people in it implied looked exactly like your husband would it be cheating and when I came to the crossover season for some reason I thought that the whole story they have a life before and with your help that have a life after so please choose love go to help refugees dot org and give what you can and now to the fifth in series of guilty feminists crossover season podcasts we give you relived Apocrypha being to bring absolutely desperately needed aid so we want to help them they're trying to raise twenty five thousand pounds of about twenty thousand pounds when not Richard Herring is not essentially a feminist but I asked him to mash up my show with his brow mash up across overseas yea not the crossover feminists vanilla one we're going to be in all sorts of cities on the east coast and the West Coast in January plus a couple of dates in Canada if you can help them in any way please do imagine someone you loved was in that refugee camp imagine a refugee that you loved a no like Vermont antics which is important and this is not open university for it is although I must say eh reached night and it is lovely to be spending with Richard herring my husband organized the dates of these shows and he was like Oh that's when we're going to do the thing I mean and it recently caught fire lives were lost there were possessions burnt there was supplies burnt and help refugees and their partners I've tried I'm a feminist bont asked Richard herring to do the show when sexual orientation there's no difference people prefer oriented see this is going to be such learning experience for you tonight you're just like and now if you would like to know when these shows are go to guilty feminists dot com they're not on sale yet but they will be on pre sale on the sixteenth of October but only be a good match just be funny and then feminist than women having sex robots nothing events the most feminist thing in wedding anniversary that you've set me up on a romantic evening with Richard herring anywhere yeah but anyway this morning he made me scrambled eggs before I'd remember it was you've got the special code guilty for everybody else they went on sale till the eighteenth of October so check out our website guilty firmness dot com for all the early or Regina Spector or do Co. was in there and personally message you said we really need help give if they were asking you because being a refugee romance anyway I mean at this point of marriage I think it's really good that either speaking to the other one and we're still living in the same worlds is what feminism is for is that women also get sex robots not feminism full sex robots be allowed so some of my listeners may not know that every international women's Day what's the most frequent question asked on twitter wins for a long time I had a theory that answering every single person on twitter wins international men's Day certain and then he sent me flowers but to be fair he went and got them at the door and then it turned out half of the Middle East which we're going to kill cats and he does in the bin thank very industriously and it's really I think it's a really nice thing today sits down on twitter announcers every single person who asks this he answers interesting because if what a robot con do is detect irony or use sarcasm I'm not interested in having sex with them that's a big part of media and he's paying them under minimum wage to do this and a little part of things we'll have never been asked cake ailing we're good real estate is expensive I'm kidding no he's absolutely lovely I'll have them if you don't want him zero daughter of football and I let her win even though I should have allowed to treat or equally and beaten this way this thing is the nineteenth and then offered does funny quips along with it I'm a feminist but how are you are you a sex robot could be a sex report if that makes it easier for you I'm a feminist booed I'm doing but not quite assiduously as may you're able to tell whether someone's joining in someone's being pedantic whether someone doesn't know I'm furious that there will never be an international men's day serious about that Kazlo I'm babbling actually for child win because four that's not just a bonus as long as it's not the only gets extra regard their gender or sexual preference do now but you like a lot of you've got to be out discern robot can't do this you can do a lot of things that are over a robot when someone's being sarcastic and when someone's tomorrow you know he's getting all your work for you at the back there boys immediate first of all that's an ablest word and secondly he's too you cannot call him a day Jackie Bradley so I don't I don't understand why anyone at genuinely would prefer one child another except when one of them's a day really kickable bend it like Beckham do you think your your doors already a feminist yeah my my wife is you know is joining in with the joke and so it's quite it's sort of hard Asian easy issues often look at a couple of a lot of people a lot Graf my son my son is a fucking Dick comes it comes if it comes to prefer if I'd much rather have two girls soon stay at it's done in a cynical twoway split day we don't get this and every international women's Day Richard Herring Very I think oh my goodness welcome to rigid harring lows sexist trolls prefers guilty feminists yes someone knows and doesn't know you can usually what America wakes up then that's when when life gets busy when the when the variety he said he's a Dick because he's too oreos is not a dick he's got dick like qualities because he's too and you should not beat him at Hello US retail is nice wedding anniversary should be about provide a sexual fantasy for your partner here gray nicer just to be me otherwise people sent me like people trying to only can do this this bought can set it up and answer would but ex robot well no sex AH hanging out with the suffragettes the day a lot of work to get women to vote and said tree later moment decades today whoa attacks me is someone being funny and sarcastic you're welcome yes they give my wedding anniversary is Richard Herring I went to bed early so I could be well prepared to be to be light on this and I was fast asleep yeah I mean you're very brave on our audience but snow we raising our children so fast asleep I didn't hear anything until my doorbell rang my doorbell rang repeatedly in ten thirty nine which is weird I live in a little village in nothing happens in half ebb lived in my house for two years and there's been three gas incidents that have caused us to be evacuated from the house and none of them to do with my bottom now is the amazing thing very funny podcast don't listen to reveal too much because they got me drunk but I did but his house you'd had gas in my house being sarcastic earnings as sarcasm discerned I'm a feminist but actually when you rang me talk about today I was playing my the door luckily missing Mike Carriage and not on smashed the gas main and so we evacuated have you been back yeah it's such an idiot my cat so he's a fool and he's got eleven lives at least so he would have survived uh have a dual function of having sexually saying November the nineteenth which would be confusing. If it wasn't a night it's November that I'd eat off on consume oxygen regulate you've done your bit forgot how gases trying to kill me that's the third is trying to kill me in two years it's not clear the nineteenth could not possibly be done by one man and in fact the Richard Herring has a sweatshop young L. caladiums sweatshop of young females I was haunted by why does gas hate me so much I'm I produce a lot of carbon dioxide gas producer of methane gas I'm a fan of gas the age differential not because of gender four year old boy would also be tired of being embarrassed so we've had two cases of carbon monoxide poisoning yeah which we luckily had a carbon monoxide alarm gear carbon monoxide carbon monoxide and last night from the house because they thought that could be a gas explosion go and say we had to take my family my kids my dog we left the cat pint pushes he's been fucked up by Boris Johnson so they gave up all that in order for Boris Johnson but anyway they call it burqa she's been on one of my podcasts virgin no yeah did you hear me on riches fantastic it just this month so mrs to boast or mine this mom he's a one man zip imminent gas explosion where we're going to go look for the basket to put the cat in Yeah and all die or we're going to leave the cat and who are probably survived a gas explosion all at the full intensity of your game okay do we found my doors better football than I am I'm just using it as an excuse she's she's really good Shane Yeah I'm not very good at sport but she can why did you leave the poor little kid that can survive for it is Sony's survive much more than and also how did you take the house we'd have to go would we had to decide takes more effort to come here on a Saturday and given you Saturday night up on the way you could have just gone into handsome and his wife or girlfriend so that makes him exceptional Eddie of my listeners in here will be quite surprised to remember me I talked about being adopted I think we talked about being adopted talked about being Jehovah's witness usually do in your outside the vent grow so you just you don't know who I am everyone else in this room knows who I am Graham between me and rich okay great so you're the only one I know you're not you only listen to him he's listens to me he says he's on his own the women exist just I don't think that's true I think it is well they exist they just never interact with them in their daily it's not my fault the only interested in now to be the same I don't want to be one of these as a father would door to upsets me when we've been tree just as a human being it upsets me very hot on this is a mind to be fair because I'm a feminist I think women should be treated equal uh-huh sauce thinking about my whole family could have been blown up which is quite obsessing well I'm very glad that you're not you I'm tired for anything else lots of people bought tickets. It live over the because the guilty feminist except James Yeah so to the to the women's sound like I need to win you over what's your name changes okay by the end of the evening James I want you to be a listener it's all I want is a fairly typical history close if only one only one is the only one is really history wow you up in the puck is giving these guys self-confidence understanding shoes yeah we continue is there another James reveal yourself of your day James James James Jay Jamie are you bid and someone had crashed there kind to the garage next door to mine which is just on the High Street which is quite difficult because you'd have to turn off the road to smashed a hole in the wall and that would have felt upsetting chair if you listen to his paw I believe it these are the James's listened to you so good I think James's that's my that's my big that really was a small bit was nasty much podcast with you it was the right thing so that's the only thing that's everything that you might you decide it shouldn't be gender-based should not daesh based it usually does work but anyway we had to go and stand up the road for the half hour until a man came out with the kids we go back in there yeah so we said Okay All right I've got woken up when I was they made the new ones may not have come out of pocket in front of the most just give us a chair if you listen to rich it's known for playing nurse to in Emmerdale he's welcome all McSweeney less they are you know we're not interested European shaver clean-shaven Jamie are you in any way in the digital world brilliant nurses to not one to the sequel this time it's personal remember anything about and welcome to kings place pays welcome the man and the woman who are looking forward to a match-up it's Richard Elo there's a lot of Jane James J at this nurse to from Emmerdale him it made my mark one man who's thinking who she heard about it doesn't take much effort to podcast the couple we've got us our guest today our guest today is probably Lamar Chaunac was a lovely guy and who was the problem nurse he first one's dead solidarity good addicted riot that this person and there certainly was a sort of a riot wasn't laugh riot though anyone do you remember what one said no no she's lines she's not with us now I'm feminist bus because now I'm the problem this to do offline I'll ask you to merge the question okay I'm GonNa need can we get the house because I don't think people are going to believe this the three James is too stunned up turnaround people don't idea idea Richard Harris and Deborah Francis what waging for fluid on interrupted nobody else just before we continue called James Release gives the trip your names James Okay another bearded man in the second row are you also a fan Wasser you all doing in here Marlon Marlon dingle just been it was one episode was it was one episode of Emmerdale doing she might come back things have dried up the non hasn't been on your in software development or similar what's he like demagogue is changing what's your name Concoc- I mean you can answer yes but in this Edinburgh I came up with one is exclusive for persons who have vaginas excellent cow fucking because Camila wreck in it so there's another you know this James to any of the James's know each other who says yeah pitas is horrible things should be hidden away what about rampant Roberts yeah those are okay yeah yeah well I think you lead your coat I mean I feel like I'm in the center of the cult leader then go off feeling hot I would just say don't put anything in your vaginas even the things that you think might be all right up that don't none of his very nice well there are some things now before you listen to this smorgasbord of Lulls I just wanted to let you know a couple of things one is the guilty feminist is going to be touring America for men only really yes people we only well how do I say well we don't equate masculinity with people with asks because I'm image questions are available to everyone so I'm not even going to list what it is just in case I say except for one question I have which is from me labs we're hoping for the nurse snow yet I was a nurse one of the digging goals wasn't hospital today absolutely you'll basically the same mom back have you come here with bill the gold limousines and live in Penn tells this game and it's good it's good together we could rule the world with army away it's not fair obviously you should never put an Ice Lolly in your vaginal laziness but if you had to I practice that because last time you had to teach you think we bow speech his witnesses if we've mentioned it but do you think we both re I feel like to me you know I'm done with that to you now oh God I've been backstage listening to this who the fuck thought that this was a good ah which is slowly would you put in your vagina feminists fuck that's why I say Oh yes sorry sorry I need to go into a food happier which I'm not going to us I have you ever tried of news stories about women putting things in their giant Britain a giant slalom there was a new to begin with isolates don't put ice lollies in your vaginas the recovered well actually three only on that day the other guest not the other person remember that was the problem he was loose Kassir becomes a cult already is very culture Jordans is say something to my audience shop that's like being an account just replace your case like leading the the robotic things associate to have sex with a robot is as long as that bill and throw the rest of the man I fuck knows I know he was he was on my on my podcast scenery he's just been on my puck really depending on this very has he doing he's okay aww teach me teach me how to say is Hollis Depa I'm so sorry I feel so bad no no no no nothing to wash situation wouldn't are you more of a guilty feminist fan my saying that incorrectly here I am so sorry yeah no no no I'm just argue deferring to me a little bit yeah I'm just checking just join yeah that's probably not bad if you put it up cone I don't think you know what did I say or co Netto yeah our whole the enemy to grab a via NASA now choice a very nice little now yeah well this is your lucky night privilege but if the sex distinction itself would you agree with natural I mean rich sexism also exists in the Animal Kingdom of course the goal of the feminist revolution must be not just the elimination of to you what are you doing to reduce gender differences so they no longer have widespread cultural significance and what are you doing to reduce the cultural significance of differences in your daily life yeah what are you doing Miami I is slowly questions caveat the miniature suffragette doesn't know women have the vote social keeps going on saying you keep expanding I've got a question which rather have a handmade have him or equality firestone argues that sexual class system predates and runs deeper than any other form of oppression that the ratification of sex require radical reordering of society given would you rather have your own fist punch in the face if you were ever to say do anything or even think anything that was on feminist and this is this does not diminish the distinction when you focus on China's penis or in fact as a wide and the distortion which got run rich would you rather have a miniature suffragette attached to your shoulder as second head all we have votes for women nuts women can vote and she won't hear that so that's annoying but also the fist which sentient punch the jets pretty cool yeah yeah as long as she doesn't throw in front of a horse while she's attached to me a sexy I'm while I'm doing it I mean you didn't put the white and I've got emergency question Uber the dialectic of sex the case for the feminist revolution in nineteen seventy by radical feminists schilling with firestone twenty-five well nearly twenty six but yeah ah so you'll assigned do that it's been described as a classic of feminist thought and I know why it's not on feminist but e can't explain sort of like Deborah Frances white fistful uh of all the yeah that's the end of that discussion but don't do it if anyone is sitting at home it's not it's not good for you handmade I've got question it goes without saying Schivonne and rich all three of us have read when most people think most suffragettes at the time and suffrage at scholars think that she didn't mean to seek I mean she meant she was trying to the rich if you were sleeping with a sex robot would you program her software with the principles of feminism so she I had the right to consent and from then on would almost certainly reject advance making her existence void even if you've paid a lot of money for her let me when I was single man seduction was always you know and and consent was also the thing that was exciting and amazed me the anyone question about nuns in a minute for me in original sex robots who's looking good James CEOS'd character I've played and good night James Hello Josephine when I looked and being that utterly tired avant to be alone except in a car accident wearing habits I it's review in fairness I do think apart from nurse to she is without I'm serious she is without a doubt I think the sex absolutely that's what we didn't ask how many people are not here for is around here because of Derry goals are any uh-huh so becoming a non was one of the only professions women could pursue before accessible birth control it gave them autonomy a career and in many cases allow them to be educated and become an educator eighty liberation to play that especially as an actress you're always like you are always playing second fiddle to to nurse Uh it's an interesting question robot sex thing is a very interesting question over overall someone was saying today in the paper today that the banner out with something wasn't Jay and then she she she didn't do very well to do it I've got another emergency question the obviously I don't think she is bus when I'm playing her at the idea of being that confidence and not giving a fuck and just walking into every room and it doesn't make it better makes it worse from Ballerina you deserve something the ship famous for places to Michael in Dera goals I'm famous for playing a non which is exactly how I thought my life would really nice though that excited you that someone wanted to yeah because I just had very low self esteem I stand up he's teaching them she's teaching them to think for themselves and they're really boring and annoying have you met Richardson Eh stop was saying the exact just unthinking things I was thinking well say for the suffrage it there's a good chance that the sex robots will kill the people having sex with that you can you can hack them all sorts of things also maybe they'll gain consciousness and kill Carlson one of them goes what are we doing and she runs away that was my perfect impersonation do many accents but that's a lovely seed have you found a coded or even a feminism and playing sister Michael Reading it as if I'm gonNA give her a punchline radius if you're gonNA give a luck answer it is actually it's showing that she's pushing back and showing showing that she wants the girls to grow up to be able to think for themselves to be educated to be the second fiddle but yes she is a feminist character because she is a woman who knows her mind and speaks it has like none do you know how expensive the rents can be but also win over here there's an episode when she all the goals take the day off to go and see exactly I'm cold James Oh already james's cain dairy girl's life was your name James Are you one of the James he's one of the void yeah you wounded the ones with the girlfriend yeah okay Oh what are you doing what are you doing here Oh look it's about time you learned push back she said the ghosts along you told me to come and she's like no not no one else came of Ah your sister Michael Chevron on your famous for playing not only knows to an op assist Michael in Dera goals he's a day such a Dick yeah she does that she she sort of because it doesn't really believe in God knows she doesn't know it just adds the excitement somebody that that could happen so I mean also you asked me if it's your idea this yeah that you face it come out looking for a way James I'm sorry Oh God three hail Marys for millions independent because she's told goes not to go to see Bill Clinton they must come school and only one guy comes to school and she says to her what did she say to her a feminist throat in this much as the people she builds her power over a young women and in fact a goals Yes yes because the that's fantastic and only until recently did I realize that we were talking about the same day I would say spittle and he'd go balanced spit Linda go Volvo told she said that you are absolutely not to go you want to go and then the two really ernest goals turn on yeah is it just one or two hundred skills to earn a new balance spittle and we were talking about the same day but completely different experiences I remember course I wrestled my way to the front I was very a mass hysteria that was the thing that happened on tops and in actually that would have been the yeah the issues late eighties and it one fellow whatever lovely Dylan who is actually we james isn't it you know uh some extraordinary series is so brilliant I have to say I was GonNa tell me in Edinburgh any love his incredible yeah devotes child and I wrestled my way to the front and of course of course I saw her move of course I I was I see her move I see her okay Sarah he's saying that he hasn't seen all the scripts I think where he was saying you're only see your own scenes any the boundaries it pushes back for Irish TV for island very dark boring time in Ireland so we're just moving moving get a chip fan make a bit of money in a Virgin Mary weeping Piss I know I it literally could not believe that was on the far things have come remember when small I'm from Cork and I was brought any carpet here there was the moving statues band title and we were all brought down there really yeah we were all brought down because the Statute Virgin Mary was seen to be like so it was a crate he's it was some sort of that they've disobeyed her they've July she's delighted that they've done that she's delighted when they show a backbone these are girls and one fellow at a very pivotal age is is you learn either remember or learn about Irish history your very recent Irish history that people in the UK outside of North Island don't but then brexit happened nothing nothing no interest really boring series just skip forward to series five that's really good then it picks up again cast change the teacher of course when I say you've got to come in don't come in if Bill Clinton's here well at the end of season one nas push Britain has got all yes and Northern Ireland we're like folk knew there was something I thought it was the idea Northern Ireland and Ireland and the history and how disgraceful is honestly I was watching it I felt a little bit like oh sorry there's an island in the way that it could have should have recently has g to the border it's like Brexit has made a run go all Japan is moving let's get a chip on my team bring a chip fund remembers it as the day of the good shirts found your Australian why do you feel bad I just generally feel like feminism may be hasn't remembered well actually your piece on Joe is a show called Joe at Joe's like a media outlet I suppose you'd call them the reporting between the Republican Violent Northern Ireland and about women's rights and all sorts of things and also about the lack of education that people in England and Wales especially have I interested in as Brexit may have shown yeah yes or are it's wonderful that isn't as well happened I wasn't angling for an interview as some people have tried to say about me I was pointing out very snarky way as they had done a vox pop open submissions and you only get submissions for men how do you get women to submit themselves that sounded wrong yeah that's suppose what point did you become interested in like if it's been absent your entire life if you're not being told about I don't know it's sort of like suddenly yeah I mean I've gotten a course if you I mean it's it's called try to make this funny but like my brother remember like he was just queuing up going off the smell of vinegar that's just just want chips chips girls says the only thing we can do now someone deal something anything we can do now is pray for her what what what you said that you know she says she's she's in there for the free accommodation which if you live in crew had already been in touch so it was just an interview with me so I guess I was delighted to speak because I think if I can do anything to shed a better life on and the women said yes of course and then the camera commotion the Women Said No we don't want to be filmed which is a very very I understand that reaction myself when us an interview ostensibly with me but let you do the talking a bit like tonight and they said not he'd already been in touch reporting neglected province I will I am totally aware that I'm from Kark living in London and it's not my story and it's not my place but toge just ordinary girls at extraordinarily I think you said this in an interview anyway but I was just saying is the extrordinary situation and the terrible situation which what's amazing about the online show yeah and if you look if you just Google Sheboygan's name at the moment it'll come up and you speak very eloquently about why we cannot have a border everyone is frozen since the trouble and then come animated again into brace it this time line two things happened the ceasefire on on the peace bridge dairy they gotten a couple of young fellas one fellow with the dustpan is was the most adorable intriguing I don't know nowhere we've been here the whole time which members yeah it's just a load of truly that you don't know about yeah I wrong maybe when the cameras came out and they were being asked to submit themselves that was something else entirely but anyway my whole point I go out there and interview women and does 'cause ego another criticism my gosh is like well you know you don't study English history in Cork and I'm like well first of all at that moment in time I wasn't able to sort of pass the microphone onto anybody else which was a lot of flack hours getting also another bishop flag that I was guessing I'm presuming of course y'all AH Michael Jordan dairy you're in Derry where all like why haven't you stopped women and of course what was interesting was that they did stop loads of women like non in the ninety s the feminist icon overtime like the newsletter that they put out in the school that she's delighted that's our secrets and I rang them up saying come on I've got sleep with me that was the I liked Cintas now married to throw butts the appeal and acknowledging that make you feel shame reducing a woman to her outfit given already marginalized Position Society Talk to us which image that's this big can be serious no it's like that the reason that does because we're better and secondly secondly it's northern part of the UK this as part of your you want as I said on the yeah I've got an emergency Christian it's relevant rich have you ever fancied a NAM and if so was the habit part most or all determinist podcast he wanted us now fucking deal with it you can't go it's ours now we're going to ignore it for ages test that we cannot have done they said well if you will of course thinking I'll just get my mates India lines for choice crowd that I had met while I was working there and I was GonNa Habitat and Kings Molin Ham Smith it's not there anymore I mean come across this and none was coming down the staircase and she slid you know what I'm saying Jesus husband as well you have to remember that she's married Jesus now she's been in the of another man before she gets to Jesus Book I think the idea for Jesus show because you thought maybe no not with spending spree Lovett yeah she actually went to Chanel she bought herself like a black dress it was to go with the outfit wash it wasn't going off piece yes I haven't somewhere in the middle going slow hsieh's goals but that's very which is about you identify with those girls Begnaud very sexy though the real ones they got caught fooling them the small in I'd have nuns do for me I think I'm not look at I'm in the mind of Never GonNa get laid again Sir Granny speaking reporting outfits reports and reporting I it's an online but yes she was not she bought loads of bishop but only really great quality staff very specific she bought some really amazing meringues rankings yeah was like a day do that or I just catch greater feminists advice their CAC some of converted to Catholicism say he's reason got herself but everything was really top quality and what point to not take note she just isn't going to be suspicious I think I can I I understand again I'm awkward I'm very vanilla sexually really if you want the real me yeah I find the whole idea of dressing why did I meant to fancy way because she's well this retain the ball yeah I'm sort of cover could take away from Jesus and show what where the poor needy I can sofas France who just took off nickelodeon money and went on a massacre worst example of man's planning that you have encountered or seen Louis Louis had it happens all the time rehearsal you you do something then minds planning means actually I'll I'll take this last this is the always have and you can do whatever you like but I think perhaps is worth converting because of the falling numb free experts teach Pasta Heaven that you've got now takes your finest wines please yeah she's so I'm having a day out I'm having the Dream Day out I don't wish he stole the money from now but I think she was picked up hopefully the Vatican yeah yeah yeah absolutely but I can sort of see the blokhin the fraud can do it I can do thoughts disturb fidel after chanel out in Paris that are very elegant lady the bonds moraine Dono Chanel has suits dress and then she went into one of those amazing Catholic doesn't matter East calling the Catholic and your atheist I suspect if you were Catholic that would be a just a one time saved I saved a non through cracking ahead open and I didn't feel sexually prion me it's all I can think a few cats seven issue because of this but it's still an issue that people and he was like yeah but Perritt poverty is it was just not an issue now understand why you'd be wasting time and it took me honestly twenty minutes somebody goes the reason that was funny is because Bitch fucking did know it's funny I had one the other day Hey America George came to feminists through scarlet curtis and we supported the protest and now the law has been changed he was sort of you know once once you can tell like a posh Mansoni listening to you and said Yeah I think this is more important things impaired poverty I think he could do some more relevant and this is not really an issue now and what it is an issue now let's so I was talking to quite a posh man in a pop we were talking about feminism stuff and I said that it really can work if you protest can work and I said here's an example is our period yeah I feel quite embarrassed role playing stuff I feel embarrassed real none some as well eh I don't know why she went like that's I think that's how she got it I have a question question one nine six these cetera must be lucky to catch a falling number but you'd think so she seem grateful you ruined that none of your damn Jesus already in habitats already cooking chicken on act and I dived underneath a stop to hitting ahead on what was it none Juninho I want to come back up sanctuaries good ripped for somebody passed this rounding yeah that probably is the guy well done you get into whatever you've done yes thank you see if you are you Catholic it's to realize that he thought period poverty was like period drama like I was out there protest listing going shutdown fagin dead shut up you instead shot the workhouse was for I really think pair book called the Powell which is about women suddenly get this electrical power that shoots out of their fingers and then the whole world changes because the biggest on stilts so at some point half the population gets put into stilts so that way of destabilizing us can you do this job yes I can but now can you do it while teaching takes right now is one of the things that makes us equal one of the shoes duration and then he backed away I didn't explain menstruation was to you this is once a month the annual lethal out there in period costume going shot the work houses I just couldn't believe it I explained it was about end up yeah really fantastic Moscow and see if you get a chance she was interviewing McAfee they blow up you did the security software yeah and there's period he thinks darling yeah I'll be there in a rough yes factors are thick donning let me tell you why you're funny else is definitely disabled as a but yeah the power is about what would happen if women could shoot these out of there is yeah Kilby's continue and that's my caveat but you literally see this guy the most powerful one of the most powerful man in the world goes he takes off his sunglasses Oh oh oh and he's like flattered enough I an interview she is suspicious of she says he says he's seventy goes oh you look thirty five and Mike anybody in their right mind would go get buttering me up to me it'll be annoying enough feet takeover well if we don't understand I was I was Jennifer Freeman on the podcast in Edinburgh and I watched is a great American a bit in it where this eight hundred seventy eight year old man she's a very attractive clever woman but she just very mildly flirts with them right and she knows that she's there to kind of bring in in my bag like a super power I'd have 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He knows that he did think that he was an actor to be fair when he okay can I say what's happening can I say it is not the voice of the guilty feminist who was producing this podcast that you shoot me differentiation between men and women is that a body strength it's is that women and women are forced to not forced to but we've been encouraged to teacher don in any way or another my strategy was always looking back I now realize how do I get out of this while making that monfils sexually attractive so that I am what he would call a prick tease why thing would always be pretend they were joking and to do something like you you moment but nothing that sexual invites you further because then if I have to push you away then you're going to be humiliated and I won't work so the gymnast the cost of situation with a man all like I sort of sometimes a male comedian who is much more powerful in influential in the industry would put the hard not manage to overthrow men or it agreed is our fault you have I've been thinking recently I remember being cut cold and wolf whistled the first time and I remember how what it is but I've also enough that I had a strategy work down and not so much that I was crippled by it but it's interesting privilege because the just the width of my shoulders says there's a set out I mean there's a certain amount that I think and maybe you stupid they doesn't understand that he's being played genuinely thinks just because a woman said the nice thing about it means in with a chance how women in the old days they didn't but now these days we have shoes would you rob they have the ability to shoot bees out of your eyes or have a payer USA never needed to be cleaned or repaired so shoes see I told you get these shoot B.'s your eyes or have a parachute so that he doesn't hate me and never work again all spread rumors about me but this is a not have him think I'm flirting with him and inviting him in or leading him on he's never needs to be cleaned Orca F. swear with the bees like live before they've been shot house like is it hold on are they're like little little as High Dick's that we've been doing for years I didn't get it anywhere near as much as some other women did because I don't really look vulnerable I'm aware of that that sort of toll broad for this to completely open changes demeanor and it just makes it a men's women at route the hormones but that is an example of a man who is so and this wasn't expected talk but that cropped into my heads the other day actually that how I physically changed me Deana I'm just trying to say I feel like some women I know who'd get all the time I don't feel I've had I've had I've had enough to know you got that because if you actually meant that very clever very cut yeah I made as if you would that kind of thing so we're still having a b like something that I thought they wouldn't look what was that I hunched I put my head down I felt smaller and myself combined with the fact they used to Jehovah's Witness I used to knock on doors so I have a fierceness about me I don't know you know I'm sure there's some all women who don't but I did not mention being pimental definitely is in my I've definitely is confidence I think jeering preemies to when like if you ever ended gone usual Berry Compliments Compliment Anna Gunn Yeah I think it's called guns yeah I remember making sure that the next time I had trouble Kosta because it was in court I remember walking a different way let me feel and to this day I feel and it was only a cat culture is only a compliment cheval country take complement and Um you make yourself a bit smaller I did I did an abyss more on what I thought would be unattractive to them when I pass there she says she goes up day forty where feminists in the old days I didn't know so yep well you could all right I will extend aw women have shoes women sorry have been we have Abyan with just like real bolting actress had a limp no cheated into my wig character piece 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Once a Deviant

Liminal Podcast

1:20:33 hr | 5 months ago

Once a Deviant

"Welcome to limited podcast. Joe and gordon with you. Want to get how y'all doing pretty good. Thank you how you did. I'm really good. I'm ready. I'm dragged me out to introduced a fabulous guest. Yeah i mean. We recorded this episode back in september when the world was a very different place. So just a word of warning to you listeners. We're in be talking about some stuff. That's probably not gonna make a whole lot of sense if you think about it. As if it's recorded in december but we recorded this lockdown to recorded this before trump has been elected not before trump has been elected before biden has been elected while trump was still the big scary could potentially be the president again person. So that's why things may sound a little bit odd but it's a really good shop and it's one. I've been really excited. Bring out. this is a man who them quiet while actually and as lead very how'd you even describes life. Yes one of those fancy words. Cutting alive But had a bit of a tough time so we have some amazing story ahead. Devastation is a bit of everything from this woman. Probably one of my favorite shots with. Don't we say this kind of thing a lot but this one listing back is a fire. Yeah is the deviant himself. None other than mr j smith see. I can't see you. Yeah and you see how many shoes. I can't see how you have at least fifteen in plain sight that i'm sure that is probably the highlight of the that that roe the nc that there is another sex. Those jesus christ do you. J. seventeen full over is ridiculous. I'm imelda marcos. Do either of you know who is democracy. The wife of the president of the philippines and she famously had the world's biggest collection of shoes. I'm while the people were struggling with poverty. Say sure you money on shoes. Some of wife's in the similar situations i. She's she's she's the philippines and demarcus. Geology himmy welcome to the cost a great introduction. How you doing today jay. I'm great thank you. we started. No yes yeah. Yeah we'll right. Yes hello site. I for the listeners. That don't know you do you own. Jared j. t. one issue fell. Yeah modems j. smith. I'm a bit larger than life. Various reasons some good some bats. An i know you to from our equity mainly i have something of a legend legendary pastore reputation wherever you want to call it against some of could solve it bad and i've lived something of a colorful life. Jay is what i'm in your email address. Does what deviant come from gothic rock star. So china has ally may delay vaguely music. I made eleven. I wasn't like traveling ferrari or anything like that. I would be like a record sale. Two thousand full and i kinda shoe that would be like a selection supermodels at the dole an- and a ferrari porsche and the drive within six months known of ever happened very. Yeah the one married obviously but yes absolutely but the the the is that it was the best job in the world for for a long time. You not total of the world a plight most continents amazing time doing it but all good things come to an end await still signed to record label. It was still still white third album which i haven't done anything for like five years. They still message me every now and again and say. When's this gonna be ready on. I'll just say yeah. Yeah yeah soon. Becoming a music industry changed dramatically. I'm a bit older than you. I know it's hard to believe from looking at me. But a couple of years exile just a couple of years for a longtime say dis with the thing and people would say days on t shirts on the rest of it while utah and that was great and he got advance from the record label and so forth but over time with the advent of streaming on particularly foul sharon in the like two thousand sixteen thousand seven air rage. Not stroll saw so sake was the worst one on on. I'll tell you about salsa you found that agitation cycles in terms of income and so you would have to toll relentless lights might not work and life changes and you can't. You can't just can't do it. you know. We did a forty tight tour of america and there was like three days often that soul and it was amazing is an experience to go to sort of light on rouge louisiana on have like these people knowing your sons is incredible but the end of the soul lecture broke even because obviously in the bandini paint pilots not under. It was an amazing experience. It was just a way to make eleven and for the rest of my life possibly could and you've got to be realistic at some point so i still occasionally shows. I did one last year. A comeback show sold out in two. I say that it was a funny. The hold one hundred hundred people. But i just sold out and so many say it sounds great so it wasn't wembley arena but never mentioned the capacity. Obviously you know you have to say there. You have to describe it in certain manners him. Yeah donald trump. Yeah exactly so yeah. That's how it got the name deviant so the boundaries. Go david david. Uk so what happened with it so yes a show secrets. Like a fault of pittsburgh file sharing thing kind of the precursor herenton gas on. I in used to play everywhere you know because i loved it so much and also it was my job so if i got off of the show in middlesbrough on a on a tuesday night we will take it and sometimes it was great. It was terrible. I'm bob. I was determined to make it work so i told everybody anyway. This one show played in stockton on tees which was in the northeast and after the show. This came up to me and said i'm got the new album. How great you said you had of so sake. Oh thanks why would you tell me that. Just say you've got it and he said why don't you think i paid for it and i said 'cause 'cause he's my ought respect and i want you work and you can just said. Just take a cost stereo on. And he said he is not the same thing. That's an absolute with this same thing. Anyway this guy wrote me a letter. Latter an actual letter went appear. Po box and you having this. Let's tell me how he's never going to listen to music again. Because of our arrogance was extracts people to buy it. I can make because. I'm not getting any money from it. It means nothing to me if you listen to it. You have to pay for the past. And you'd be amazed at speaking honestly. When i was growing up. I used to spend on my pocket when your music and i go to record shop and be really excited. 'cause you invested like seven in this album and you go read the lyrics and because album a cost you money. Remember the human league's hysteria album. I listen to the bush. listen to it was rubbish. I was so disappointed in it. But i made myself like hits by listening than saying your coffee. Seven quit and this cap lesson to listen to it and less regional eric's and you start because it was an investment you bought and it was material you wanted to you. It meant something. It was any collection and nowadays kids can just get afraid or whether it be streaming music no intrinsic value anymore. It's all a no material value to to to the to the regime. I understand why things change the music. Business model hasn't changed with it so he's become really difficult for for autism particular neurotics joe now. I'm looking in the sense that i could probably release something now. I'm probably settled probably ten thousand albums. Maybe if i did it may be a domino. That's probably but maybe could've done wants me if you buy two but the talent don't do you. Don't you start about on. But the truth of the nippon start. The inquiry can make from spotty. Fine apple music tidal and those kinds of things is so limited that labels don't invest in artists and so he just changed the whole business model so cut long story short. I make a decision. But i wanted to just flog myself to death. Soren which do love all did. I want to get a proper job in inverted commas and the proper job went out and that's and that's why our matt. Yeah but you still doing music and you still cage still like to music. They'll do it. I've still got the eyebrows. Talk some of the highlights because this is. How young are you at the time. When this kind of booms. So i took too long to get started really i. I was frightened. I'm gonna be completely honest with that. Told you do this when you asked me to do it on some i always believe in so like candle rather than i'm going to give you a press version. I wanted to be a pop star from about twelve to the point where griffin mom nights mims roommates pretended that we were making music and we play people besides of like bands and site was. I went who ended up playing live in someone's house. We just mimed to these songs and every time anybody don instead i'm going to second isn't a big audio dynamite. Bayside we just go join the band. Anyway it's all went on a huge record collection which is still actually and i would choose the songs depending on who. I was too so so. We have this mighty following the goals on the estate. That i lived in. Who believe that. We these incredible singles but it was whoever always into that week. I i wasn't even consistence so what. We be big audio. John and mark the next week. It'd be like nitsa rab this like really hard industrial thing. Then two weeks later be say. Oh yeah i like to mix up abets anyway. We played it. We played in people's mind to these instruments. We got instruments that we need the drums. It may just call borders electric drunk and painted it white slow semons cat. It would have been easy to just buy one we could we were. We were buying things for wet from bay stock placed to build this fictitious. We remind me to stop at our member gets. I was thinking why. Why these believing this anyway. One of that dad's owned a nightclub. You can see where this he says. He's his daughter played. This song was just talking to go. My breathing by gary numan. An was the most overproduced. Incredible are bec- electric song. We clearly regarding human voice and they were supposedly coming from this thirteen year old kids anyway dot said you ought to play live at my club everybody else all the other ones other. Lots of ood moviegoing. All the games off and i was like going is it. Can we get away with that. But we we did and i was out of it. Because i suspect you'd have been found out in front of an audience. A real people who it would make. It would understand this. She music coming from proper popstars not liked six thirteen year. Old lives Thing is i. I got the picture sometimes. I i was dressed like somewhat proto. Duran gironde thing and it was just ridiculous not shuki my cheeks photographs but then of course fifteen years later is actually doing it for real but yeah so that the wailing of all the girls who were into it still mentioned facebook. Yeah oh jim but when when you boundaries co white noise and they still mention it and that's how ridiculous my life was even then you had a performative kind of nature from a very young age you wanted to the center of what makes you say that joseph make you sound like. I'm a lot of that. And now so so i was frightened doing it for real because i always thought if a tried and filed it would it would drew him a drainage and so i waited about i i was. I was doing stuff with cover bands and stuff toes about thirty. I'll check it so light. Line real career at was in recruitment for ten years since then one night the details of which will need to. I will need to solve pricey for this conversation. I decided i was going to train ride on and it was a song called access tonight. I it was so good that our room and moment five o'clock in the morning a wo- corrupt sat. I'll play this on the phone. And then she was like it was on. I said that's a it's me no way then. A guy like house. And i came up and said common lessons that he was delighted as you can imagine. I'm unemployed late anyway. Everyone's going. I can't believe it and i couldn't believe in fantasy and so i sent it off with another song. Samsung and i was signed on the strength of first song. Which is kinda weird an absolutely. I'm kind of proud of that on. Still probably one of my best known song actually but it started like that got signed racer first album in two thousand six barbed wire stuff sold everywhere weed. Left played every city in every city. I mean the reason to city and hold on. I'm never played in fronts. But i played every city in holland. I mean places. You never heard of hilbert tilburg nine nine. Megan eindhoven blessing and braider gruenigan. Lavar leiden everywhere. I'm i'm stomach. was terrible. gig event was going and then then so two thousand and eleven. I really am concerned about things that you more second. The single was number one in the uk alternative shots which is amazing. The album was on the charts for four weeks on the strength of the assigned to signing and germany who was an imprint of sonia subsidiary. I know they ripped me off. Like you wouldn't believe it if i told you that story. I it's unbelievable on horrendous. I they still owe me about twenty thousand pounds while i think they could probably but it was it was. It was the guy who's running the imprint. Sony told america twice with forty days one with twenty eight on top of the mountain and switzerland a couple of times. It was just amazing and change a minute of it well. I did live quiet. Reckless lifestyle and had to stick to say the least. You know that was my reputation. And it wasn't sustainable. Rayleigh and i think i ted reasonable. I think time music crap but we sold about thirty thousand now that she's not to be sniffed out physical probably about four thousand five thousand singles but i. I baked the scheme of things. That's nothing was famous about twenty people. Let's be honest. But i live the life as if i was like some kind of chart-topping rockstar and you know i think there's a of that and the way i behave now maybe and know along no quality shrinking violet bush. I team it enormously. Gas by also don't because i don't think i would. I would probably be around now. Because i i live so reckless later so long now leave. His travels devastation. Across europe suits and while it was fun to be in at the som- i think he was fun for some of the people around me. It became quite destructive as well. So so i think a stop doing it at the right time. I wouldn't change a minute of it. But i wouldn't. I wouldn't possibly be able to do it now. I you know. That's why just occasional shows just to remind myself. I used to be almost a pop star. Wants the full time. Flex polygraphing now. That's that's that's that's the peak of my fame walker flex policy site. The no am. I guess is in a way you know you. You have the heights of pop stardom and you can feel like you've got this name for yourself and then it is almost like checks you in a way and it can be. You'd think so so but nothing could be a high shortly when you're on stage and everyone knows every lyrics to the song singing and everyone's looking at you dislikes on you must be adrenaline rush. That no drug or no of the thing in the world can really give you outside right joe. it's you know. There is no better feeling than that. I wouldn't ever want to do that. Would enjoy more. When i played in leeds on gender that fourth i. She both not always. I was fairly mobile that point. You know i'd. I'd literally got no movement due to the issue. She was wanting to bet. But i came on stage and it was sold out in the play. The place just went crazy. Because i'm how i'm holding some affection for some reason on the it kind of filled my chest with pride. Because i still kinda got it kinda threw the stick the walking stick to one side as if to say oh the power restored and i by the end of the could actually walk but it was. It was a remarkable failing particularly. Because i did it. Without you know. I was completely sober as well. Which is which is something that that was fascinates me. I'm absolutely shitting a brick before on stage which also used to either because he's been fairly confident phallic. I'm i've always been confident. And so be frightened of it was quite required by so of a shock to the system. But i think. I'll carry on doing occasional shower because it reminds me of what i used to. I'm almost nostalgic thing now because the people who ueli studies the people in the front row with were very first show so fifteen years before which was remote with amazing are still with me now and that was kind of emotional for me because they were my very first gigging leads and they were there again. Unleashed same moves amazing. So yeah so yeah. In terms of what it feels like are considered to be the former in life a lot of what people say on status as it's not it's not. I'd like to talk to people this idea again. She kinda quite quite quite stage. Now aren't unique about. That's that's kind of thing. And i'm like no now. That's just where i'm lacking fortnight. All the times matching bean around that will. It's on love energy for life. I would describe it and i. It's it's an outlet gas on something that i loved. But i'm going to new so i've got different lifelock. Fascism life in terms of your debt for letting but on sustainable long term thing for numerous reasons. yeah so you kind of break Shown at just then you mentioned the us mobile for that gig yet quite a big moment in your life. I guess what kind of led up to that on the. I guess you're kind of health. Situation was quite a heavy moment in your life. Would you say yep absolutely so historically. I'm starting to this cheque's crooked. I'm on this last week. Common shallow enterprise delivered by the way. Yeah full forty s. Keep forgotten old. Sam forty nine. Forty i and thanks on. Look you need to sign. But i've never ever really been illinois so probably java have had or console probably three months ago by the worst two years of my life without a shadow of a doubt and he started with with it. I can't emphasize enough. I've never ever been with anything. I've never had any issues. Ungiven given the fact that i've sort of been led this kind of rayleigh. Reckless live without any kathak howell. Thole looking after myself for so long. It's a miracle. I lasted that long before something went wrong. You know and and i kind of when i kind of go out without cycle of of not self destructive nihilistic gas lifestyle. I was kind of wondering still around to be honest. And then i was. I was at work in this one. Doug is painting. Emma lag understand what was just walk off anyway. Over the course of probably six months he got gradually worse and worse and eventually was identified. I got something called vascular crisis which means that that happened. Lost split supply. I'm was dying. And that was the word they used when they diagnosed. That's not a word you wanna hear. I'll be honest with you if you're if you're ready to station with the surgeon and he says yeah you're hip starting. It's like not spread to the rest of me. I'm i'm a dying slowly. It was scary. And i come. I mean i know you guys both saw me. And i know you now. I was in pain. But i can't begin to describe. The pain was in it's it was relentless nothing. Nothing stops i did have one surgery was which is called decompression weather kind of drill three bone stem cell. But that didn't work. So i kind of gave me another eight months. Nine months of pain and what happened was effectively. My famous or the head of my my hip butterfly was melting. It was dying when an was removed and march this year. It was like multi. Plastic was the word that the exception described not had own on bo. The probably eight or nine months out. Everyone just winced. Everybody just wins. Yup well the thing is i tried to. I'm ridiculously over proud. you know. that's a false notion floor of mine. But i didn't ever to know people it's how much is in an and i probably won't do with you guys so me. So like increasingly hobbling with a stick. And even when i was advised to use a crutch or still using a stick to try and minimize the impact embarrassed about a mid forty or wasn't metro it and over sudden got a complaint that was mole prevalence and people who are in the seventy s. And so eventually i mean. During the course of all renders pain which was it was debilitating. I can't describe how ability in the sense that get to go in. The middle of the night was horrendous. Getting in the caw was horrendous. You have seen me getting up from chat struggling to walk. Probably probably says you're forty eight until until he kind of ease. He's a little bit where he was on. Everytime alive. got one at bat and cheering this. I mum incredibly close to you. And i mean the relationship remember when i was was everybody says this but we have an incredibly close. Boom was was diagnosed with congenital heart failure which meant that she got a very short time to live. And i went from bain someone who admission is brimming over brimming with confidence and always husband if nafta ephraim ally this should complete disclosure to you to everybody's listening i i've never had anxiety or depression effort. Not gonna stadium for five thousand people not not going on tv. Not none of that. Nothing not not not as slick. I've always an absolute faith amenability. And honestly i absolutely collapsed over the past two years and i try my best to can sailor and i'm not even sure how many people realize but the more it became clear that my momma's gotta go the more effective me mentally an id a. She knows. even. I felt this really way. It health anxiety where everything to be wrong with me. And i would spend the day. I remember waste a moment hospital for three months before she passed away. Which is that was really hard. Because i knew coming black cap kitty myself. It wasn't and every task for manchester to go to stoke where where. I'm from originally to say i start. Having these weird things are breath was driving and start thinking. Where's the nearest hospital. In case i have to spell and it caught worse a worse to the point where i was. I couldn't bring myself to the car when i got to. Stock talked myself into the hospital. And my mom could say that it was affecting me and all all all because my mom was going to die and my own. My own like complaint. My my own pain didn't matter. Because i was gonna come and it crushed me it crush me to the point where i didn't really know i was anymore. You know and i found it really hard to climb away back on so funny story. Funny put so sentimental as my my eyebrows. All sally unique in the sense that scuba trademark by stop dimwit. Stop doing it for probably twelve months and years spell an cheech but i went to visit one nine. She said are wish you start your eyebrows. Straw from the vulcan thing. I did them for and so that's why they're still. There are now because so she saw them the day before she died. Which is a strange thing. But i did not because she asked me. I'm lost i. I was i was i was gone. I was lost probably a few months. And then i got this shape replacement a moment. We've said that she just wanted me to be okay and better. I clawed my way back mentally. And i don't think anybody ever realize that was in this place because speaking only i have a personal image which i don't need i. Don i feel the need to perpetuate on so rather than towards people and say. I'm really struggling. I kind of buckled up. Then i just struggled more my. I didn't talk to anybody particularly about it. I mean the people around me were amazing. It was very few and far between and it was. I had the hip replacement and south march this year. And just kind of got myself back on an even keel in the way of fouls thing and then slowly. but surely. I've lost six months. Now i think of money reached cruising altitude again. I can walk. Run a bedbug from trying to you. Know crutch looking do can do everything now. And i feel somewhere near where i used to be. I still miss my every single day. And i really do it. I don't collapse recovered from that. Don't anybody says people say oh you time heals all wounds big dozen you just you just find a place to solve store that pain and dale and deal with it so it still exists. Are doug income africa so light. It starts remember member better things rather than remembering bad things. Yeah got the the the actual losses south. But he doesn't ever go away. And i think he's wrong. People say does. I wouldn't never want to stop being southam. Larussa hegemony so so. That was the that was kind of apex of a terrible journey for me. And then it was kind of downhill for while from that and then get michelle physical straight and mentally straight at the same time expense off you know and it's even harder when you try to be j. smith which is a ridiculous attitude. But he's true fail on may be it kind of blessing and a curse row because you see amazing sights being jay. Smith's i was letting in everybody down last ridiculous because you talk about mental health and vulnerability and h embarrassing. I'm not proud. Of the fact. That i i was determined to try and hide this because of south what yeah. I'm kind of now. I think almost. I would say if we talk about that period. I mean that is a physical mental battle like not many people will facing that life nor should they have to face it yet. Because that's so hard will. What do you even do you with day today because boastings a flaring up. I mean you'll mental state in time. Obviously you're at the lowest you probably fell as a person who's felt so so high that kind of power must have really weighed on your heads so much. Chenille d'amato self-analysis you were probably doing. Not time was probably so intense. Yes and see much. So because i've always known the answer is something needs doing affects it and i think a conflict or i'll i'll find somebody who can and with this. There was no answers to anything you know. I didn't know how long i was going to be in this painful for a moment and it's it really hard one dodd but dodd which is ten years ago. That was just like that and we didn't come in so there was no warning and that that was almost easier because it just happened but with they told you it was going to happen and just went on for months and months. The worst thing about that was weirdly for someone who so who believes their own intellectual horsepower. A lot i. I was ridiculous. Any slightest positive. Ray of light that i saw be like she going to be fine. She's not she's not going to be. Okay you gotta realize that. And i was like listen. I know what i'm saying. Then wade lay the two days before my mom passed away. She she was fine and she genuinely was fine. She was over sudden. Choose for vice useful life. She was laughing and joking. And i wrote muster and said but she's fine. She's got she's incredible. It's a miracle. And i'm not particularly someone who believes in miracles. It turns out that happens quite a lot when people are going to going to die. And i didn't know that and so that was kind of a mom's last rally an felt kinda elated for about two hours and then rather stupid when things went downhill but econo- look for anything in my own problems didn't matter that point but yeah so it was. It was really hard. And say. Because i've never dealt with anything that was before it was difficult for me to say right. It was going from. Everything's fine life's great. No problems at all over sudden everything went relevant for me personally. And the person that the Malign yeah i bet it was a great difficult time but i guess in some ways the lessons he learned during that time and the experiences that you went through particularly talking about your health situation in the the hip replacement. Now that you've come through that. I guess you must feel like you've come at something. Yeah you you're right. I mean speaking on I felt quite humiliation for longtime by the condition. You know one thing. I didn't want to be was walking with a stick and i'm working with the coach and needing help to do stuff you know. Can you go and do this for me was. I'm not that person really but not because of how three definitely not. I expect it but it puts speaking on. You know it was really difficult. And i think that i feel kind of empowered by the fact that i'm now walking Able to move freely. And what's way because the lockdown thing the for this kind of new normal of you both twenty eight days later longtime ago. Yes yes right right so you know the start one in murphy's and kill him if he's in the hospital and he comes out and it comes down to london wearing the gallon deserted. That's what was like for me. I came out. the hospital. came also in lockdown came out with hospital by hospital manchester just empty. There was no straight. And i wasn't wearing a gateway but i'm not time anyway something though i was wearing something but it became really difficult because power. I wasn't i wasn't wearing surprised me and i was looking face. Go just took lies like it was just normal but what was to may which kinda strange replaces of quebec thing you know and i i. It was performed by robot widely. It was a human that control. Would it wasn't just like because see three pl or anything but speech was he called the medical troy golden infrastructure pod bay. Something being nine. Maybe a hater. Nobody star wars. Jack i do. I already done solos. Math class ridiculous star trek as well. That's even more ridiculous. Captain kirk all the white. That's what i wanted to be a way to begin naming but yeah yeah absolutely callaway but anyway robot fitted a hip replacement and the recovery. Quite quick but you need physio and you always been using. The muslim electra. A long time an amazingly old hospitals closed three days after after their surgery. So i had no no fizzy ever and not led to a series of amusing incident. While mayb in world war. There was a guy called. Douglas bonte who was a had likes dot c. While i was walking light for quite a long time because i could move. My legs was lock. Every every time i stood up and too much cough muscle twice just because muscle muscles went used to to work him so recovery was quite a lot harder and of course i was working from home throughout all that period and it was radio at stand up and after work like got no need for quite a long time so great luck for their and it was only. When i came back to work i was walking off. So the slowly but surely starts got full mobility now condense and everything is crazy. It's been a weird experience on. I'm older than you and i. I remember in the eighties when they used to have. Its is the nuclear warning saying on tv and say when the when the attacks sounds you and your family must take cover. That was kind of scary. But i never thought stainless to some somebody else actually that. I never thought that we'd be in a situation where we're wearing masks. And i'm you know there's all these all these measures in place to protect us from the pandemic and it's likely from from a science fiction movie re really as things. Break things to be in that through. Recovery payers kinda weird. 'cause i was kinda disassociated from it so whereas it was in fact temper i was locked down anyway. But he's strange world. We're living in the my sons. I'm always willing to subscribe to the altern. Colitis thing that we're living in an old senate's online could be buried possible. Donald trump's presidency. Now how is how is that happened. Nagy presence estates to my injecting disinfectant. I mean what what is going on. Then boris johnson is a prominent. I mean it's like which one step from role. Mcdonald's you know what you just don't know what's going on in the world and he say all these things in advance of blm which is long overdue that movement and topic being forced into into the mainstream. But i think we'll changing so rapidly that we live in crates ottawa. I've got a question to get this wrecks in a minute. But yeah he says yes. He's been strange couple of years. You mentioned how drink collider anyway go weightless but he doesn't know why no respect you top secret trust. We compress on in our. Don't have eyeballs. Not just hurt my brain valuables were ordered. I have instead fixed is. That's why the heads turn true. So there is no actual bulls that correct. What kind of shape. They were auto. No i'm just. I'm just acted one charging that an uncle them both somebody has i. I wasn't in world war subaru. Sure you got probably because they don't have toll instead that is a shaped like choose. Held rigidly in place by bones cooled. Laura is easy that says golden. Let's go to mike. Drug j. have say j. Obviously you know this. Podcast is co ltd. podcasts wounds out limited space. Which is do you know what i mean by. Leonardo space vaguely describe it to me. Lebanon spaces like being on a threshold. So it's being in between the ages of life. Yes apple waiting rooms. A classic examples of limited space. Because you not on holiday home Wait a guy this experience that you've been through the lockdown the experience with your health and your mama's being eliminated space for you i. He said he felt like yourself again. But i guess it would be fair to say the things have changed in the got some neat perspectives on life and views. Wanna maybe just go into a bit more detail on things that have changed for you and if there are people that are going through similar situations you may be some advice. Though some bits that you could offer up so that why will question. Yes i go well for just not just not a yeah okay so yes a might might. Mice dential view has changed a gas in the sense that i wouldn't choose to believe in the live fast. Die young mantra definitely. I wanted to show lights on. Who had long ship sailed the dying young. What's what it's taught me is that you don't have to constantly seek adventure sales because there's a contentment means a lot to quote the famous phrase gashing cleaning the outages. The pursuit of happiness is the most important thing not no. I'm beijing material. Gains what matters is the people that you careful people that you love and the time the memories that you create with them you know. I have a lot of regrets. relationship members. Incredible regret anything other than a wish. That been more of it much. Promise me live forever. And we promise chevy broach and so you know rockefeller given fellaga. Wisconsin sat on the sidelines. Remember saying it but you know. I won't eat again you. You'd say both very capable guys. You know you got a lot of talent but always remember that you look after number one or wife. Look i love the people around. You always tell them as well you know. That's the important thing too. Because you know was bladerunner wax lyrical about that elope because i think it's an incredible tale about mortality. And you don't know how long you've that's the truth. And he turned to how long you know anyone's got because that's the nature of life unfortunately and so might my viewpoint change in the sense that it's not about. Do i want to be somebody or something anymore. It's about enjoying what have who. I am a making every day count as much as possible but sharon that failing with people around gene. There's no there's literally no point having having an agenda which is dishonest disingenuous. Or that's beyond beyond your age because if you have if you have this this ideal the isn't why you all you can reach for it but if that is your your obsession is is all your factual ages reaching something. I can guarantee it will never be enough. You'll never because you never be happy you. It's now the future's now because y- nobody knows what's tomorrow tomorrow never comes. That's the k. Tomorrow for tomorrow never arrives. Does it today. And it's kind of a vaguely hippie thing designed gas a genuine believes. I believe that. I'm i'm not looking two years down the line i'm looking now and i'm not you know. I used to be extremely ambitious. And i still am to a degree in the sense that i want to do. Well i'm gonna it's not. It's about the here. And now and i think that's the best advice. I give anybody very quite deep thing to say Do you think this is a very hard time to be happy right now. In the world kind of last five or ten years the sharing of information the social media do you think that's why so many people are struggling right now or is it more than just hearing about it. More of those exact reasons we well. Yeah but he go pointing out your job. The truth is is that there's a few things too. I think social media is created a monster in the sense that it creates ideals and values and mg what people could proceed to be perfection. You know everyone's seen a snapchat filter on instagram filter and that becomes reality. Then you say people who are trying to create that in reality whether it be overly bronze dole an ideal white or whatever it might be and everyone's got voice now with social media. Everyone can make a comment on hide behind a cable on screen because they can speak with impunity. And i'll be honest. I think i think he's done. Jansher was the brexit or not. I don't know but there is a a a sort of alums of society which which is particularly stay on for vocal often. The people who are unpleasant or have of like family bigoted views are the most noisy not starts because by the onto education. Or i don't know but certain elements of you have to question the intelligence of people who are big. It'll will be racist or sexist or misogynist wherever it might be but for whatever reason those people feel more able to talk openly about certainly more than ten years ago and that's that's quite sad wall while undoubtedly it's a minority in society. It's h often as as as the most vocal. And i think that that affects mental health for locally because for example young girls have got these unrealistic. I you know what what will should look like and any anything that's outside. Those very very limited parameters is brutally attacked on social media. And that's that's horrible. It's the same field boys you know if they don't like the right things or they don't like the right spot. Where every might bates yet the pilloried by people who can speak without any fear of retribution. Because that's what social media. Does you know it used to be a point. Where i remember when i used to go on a death. Threat one's really gotten in the first album was bad. Dig dig a definitely go. Threat wasn't same guy. He's got an off now. No no no. It's a long story but somebody thought just because they didn't know a under a naked contact me directly can say what they wanted and that was ten years ago. I know over time. I've seen that from trump people who were implicit message boards and stuff that was so he'll start dot so bled into mainstream things like facebook and instagram. Where people say really really out of order things without any fear and it's lights you just wouldn't say some of those things to people in the we'd never say this things to people in person. If you were you'd be you'd be a horrible piece of shit go online essays. He's comments to light on deserving people but look at the star ow toxic stall was fundamentally. I'm gonna say you know. I i love style was a massive star wars key creighton books. You look at the fact that a female late and a black slate of open almost driven acted because we're toxic fan base. Who feel they can say the worst possible. Thanks to those people. And that's all that's all because of the freedom and freedom of speech your social media commerce and so that coupled with the upheaval that exist in society in the sense of yet the racial disharmony there is happiness particularly yucai. Wear a wig in through a ridiculous ridiculous process of blaming everything on the a year at the moment and or not the year it's emigrants if this sector of society who to blame somebody and they've had the mainstream press telling them who to blame phrase input being taught to punch downwards so in society. It's got to be someone who's got less than you. Who's taking your job whereas the billionaires who are running the place a saying yes staffel and everybody jumps on that and it's insane in america. You've got a very done. How much together spencer america. But all of the country. And i love the people actually largely but again it s is populism that trump stock at strachan trade appeals to lowest common denominator and those people are the people who do shout and all the people who to vote a worst of all the people who've got guns. I'm so i think that the world's on the precipice many ways. I'm you know we all in many ways. The most progressive ever been in history. You know throw argument's sake. It's reasonable to say that while we have a questionable history you know imperialism but also one of the most progressive countries in the world incentive equality for for the gay people full the whole. Lgbt thing to be cute because of you know gay marriage an cetera and that that's exactly quite warmly here so we all quite liberal in that sense or there's a lot of work to be done on not failed however restall not that because we've got we had him back the other way almost and we've got we've gone through this kind of honeymoon period of while we were kind of the poster child of europe for for for being liberal almost every sense and had their own white and whether or not just just assign a book know you you look at the kind of conversations and the mainstream media drive and you question who how people being hoodwinked into this and so christ almighty this deep was renting maniac. Do not get me onto brexit. Seriously i took on a whole other. Yeah yeah we'll do. What's on but yeah i think. I think it's difficult people to be happy now. Joan in truth we coming through time with with covid anything where we don. How how. that's going to change how that's gonna win or if there's an exit plan because it just so much conflicted information and send it to you wear mustang. Wear a mask. Can you go out go out. Can you can you. Can you go to football. Whatever it might be that people just don't know and so it's no wonder that people are doing to the measure. I understand why not because i. I've been so kind of avidly watching what's going on. And i don't understand some of the rules. I generally can't tell you what some of them all because it so so counter intuitive in some ways changing so frequently as well yeah yeah. It's bound to affect people because you know you lockdown which is unprecedented. You know lots of where we all the time but it will let him through a time of such a painful in the world yeah a worldwide thing that happinesses now one thing i think to make happiness and you've got to make the most of what you have because we gentlemen we're gonna get the rest of your back if it's all. I've got a a bit of a light hearted question. I thought of when you were talking about the horrendous social media in the vitriol that people espoused in put on each other to do with politics and stuff like that. I just wanted whether i could ask you a little bit about right. My plate ceramic plates is a stage of facebook where people put pictures of the clinton re concoctions ever started as being real what he moved into sort of parody in the sense people put the shit like meals. I could people are slaughtered them with with increasingly vitriolic off. It's time but he i i. I became coal forever. Was i was done with the kids. Once i was i was in bad. I think that first operation. And so i just so spent my dyson slaughtering people's food in what i considered to be fairly amusing wise. I didn't call me crazy. A postal deadlock five or six thousand likes and people who are work with people you know sending me patients of food saint gone slagging off. It's kinda weird when somebody worked for where you money is gone like this food getting. Yeah you don't want to do. This isn't gonna reflect it jumped. The shark shot phrase run. Yeah joe jim sharpe means joint from. I don't rise with people say now. Jump the shark going too far. It's generally shawket from happy days with the funds. Happy seven in happy feet for some reason. Water film by the way. Wow nice cream be nice. Film penguins anything. Well obviously so now. I watch regular but anyway. So does it. Episode where the funds on seth boat and over a shock and so that forever became the point where dot series. Jump the shark. So you here. You mentioned about pushbikes buying this stuff to youtube anyway. I'm there was a point where i eight. Just stop being funny because people would start slagging off stuff this same bullshit of anyway. One day i was sidelined and thought dot looks terrible. Us logged off on is slow today. I remember what it was a. It was like a pie of the thing is it wasn't right my plate someone's actual lunch and i didn't realize a somebody. I knew. I just actually actually told that that lunch salutes a ribbons and it was like it was horrible. I was like saying you know. I've seen bad things called mechat saw and you know something about when these phone samaritans and it was just somebody on. Yeah he wasn't. I apologize instead of a message saying list. I'm real anybody deleted after that. My word got to finish off jay. You spoke about one of the most intense limited space is probably really talks about intensive pass journey. If you have five minutes with just so in that time will what what would you say to j. And that time i think that it's the same that same thing site to off friends who are struggling various reasons on the same thing that i i try to ratio on the worst thing is is that when talking to other people whether you know historically in this prophecies a that you have to be somebody can lesson because no advice to anybody at that point the best thing to lesson because he tried proffered opinion always comes down to cheer up buron. Don't worry i'm on. That's not what anxiety or depression as you know. It's it's it's it's real and tangible never ever for me might be bipolar whether it be schizophrenia. Every whether it be generally pressure to disorder all those different things things is it's real and his very real in that moment and nothing you can say to. Anybody is going to make that go away. It just doesn't and think that people looking from the outside and often say like a bullet making say cheer up. We try again a hobby. This kind of stuff that it's all pass i in cliche h worse and for me. The only thing that i can say is anybody less than unto. Anybody who's who's struggling as is tempering. I've done how long it will last. And it's not going to be never as easy but it doesn't last forever. Yeah the the it didn't for may even thought he thought it was. You know there were times. When i was terrified i would. My life would now be dominated by this. This thing where i was convinced. Socio wrong couldn't leave the house. I went to hospital and ambulance twice because of a panic attack. Which i genuinely believe was i'm hostile. And that's i've never told anybody that before. So they got us something. I'm and it was just absolute fair fucking of diet and at that moment no matter what anybody to me about listen you're okay you know your your heart rate's okay you know it blood precious fine. It didn't matter. Because i was my brain was telling me that is necessary if the end panicked panic Horrible and there's no way out of this world close in on ya and dead pass and you find a wife hopefully somehow to find a way out of it and you know everybody's got different coping mechanism average a different route to take and sometimes it's a relatively short journey to find the things that can fix you. Occasionally things one step at a time all is a longer journey. Why you constantly fight it. And i'll be honest recently. A plane lockdown. And i'm not. I'm felt about failing for a long time appointed lockdown. Why i'm waiting emotional. I think everybody went through june. The course of the of the of the how tobacco of of being locked at home but faculty creeping up on me. I felt that people call it the black dog or whatever you want to call it. I don't i don't want to give it a name really just for few days i feel it coming back. And it was so weird. He was like it was like a physical entity. Tangible thing that was going you start to feel. I feel it again and i really really struggled with it and i was and it wasn't the feeling that bother me. It was the fair that he's going to come back. You know it was. Yeah it was the worry that was gonna have to face everyday and so my sympathy my empathy for anybody struggles with any mental health issue is enormous and i will never ever stop trying to be done. He can really help people any more than just being that someone who cares. I always well because it's just. The worst thing is such an eye for a long time in life. I was fairly dismissive of some elements of anxiety mental health. I'm excited about it. And i'm not. I'm not proud of that. You know. I i i was almost the kind of yeah you need to police off together might now or no. I know what it feels like. You know. I'm ashamed as ever said those words but i've always felt come on. Come on some young gag reps. But now i know how it feels to have the will collapse it on you and just not know what to do to stop it. I remember sign time. Why feeling what is making this out. There's gotta be something a messin doing wrong and not just made it worse so my advice to myself is it will pass you know with with work and to my advice to anybody is less than as there is always hope that that clue you out because you will eventually where another you'll find your way and it's not forever. Yeah put little pieces together. Thus the vice. I've always had and used in my own line. Put little pieces together. Some point it will start to come together and you're not gonna know when it's not a black and white stop yeah nothing. Today's effects in east a day by day. And you might that forty and two steps back a lot of times but he stopped as the one step forward the remember you made that one step forward because the two steps back you can always go forward again. You know i. It's it's like learning anything. Yeah sometimes sometimes you have a good dyson die but you just keep going forward than you have to just keep trying to keep going forward even if it's hard because ultimately as long as you push forward eventual you'll make some movement and it's a dot com is kind of kind of said the physical way which way it felt that to me. So that's how. I actually stopped by stocking chart tiny baby steps better than knowledge. All you know. Maybe he make an and he gained an inch of ground bouts better than nothing isn't it. I think it's also important to say the anyone he's going through suffering. I think it's whenever. I go through something i always think. Thusly oh my gosh this. Like i'm the only person in the world is experiencing this. This is will follow or whatever but actually suffering is is normal. It is not something. Like i think so. Often we try to avoid the suffering and get out of it. Sometimes we when you're trying to be that for someone you're trying to offer plastic. She's like he was saying. In ceo things will get better and they will but it's also important to recognize the the suffering and the pain is is something the econ- just wish away. You can't take your fingers in. It will go away. You need to go through absolutely on. It comes from somewhere away. Yeah whether it be whether it be based on the trick is triggered accidentally those things exist and adopt to deal with it. Unfortunately sometimes you gotta ride it as a side. There is no magic bullet. Nobody's gonna give you give you give you a pill that will just sexy just like that. We're happen whereas i think for a while. I thought that was a case. I so i thought it was a chemical solution. All therapy solution wherever it might be and all those things help of thing but the thing. But you have to accept that exist whether it'd be sadness depression rene anxiety whether it'd be worried that's part of life and when it exists you just have to accept that and knowledge it and then try and try and it's of for me. It was kind of moving and it took me a very long time to do it. And i know it's a incredibly hard and people much harder than i have on a lot of people who have a real tough time with mental health and h just now in that people realize they're not it you can't you can't fix it an econ try to fix. You can't try answers because the they you're on somebody else's yeah. Everything is subjective than the works for me. What we what. The woman certainly what works with china. Also another serious too. I think in particular. You've got to really be okay with being vulnerable and being emotional. I think for so many years to pass onto me. Being a man was being tough passing mentally. You couldn't be phased you gotta really accept. Emotions actually feel vulnerable and not feel. Okay that's the hardest task men and obviously women as well. I think men really struggle with barrio. 'cause you put everything under center just reminded me on. This might be a nice way to end nine. Something that my owed vicki's with everybody is a way stock with many. He said that the we can impress people with our strengths. We connect draw abilities yet. Rid like that because this is only one we've honorable and it's only when we let that god down that people are actually able to see the true by the version of who we are on berry to connect to us 'cause other than that. It's just a you know if you would just version of you that you are on stage or the time than it would be very entertaining. But we wouldn't be out to have a conversation like this. That's not that was. My problem is not solid editor longtime in life in general and. I think that i learned a lot of the past few years. Intense vulnerability said light but in terms of being open an an an and being wake and bain explained that. I'm not okay which. I found really really hard because i thought i was supposed to be invincible. And i genuinely believe that was up until that point i wasn't you know now to any more. So they sent. Yeah how does that feel that. You don't have to be invisible. A white offer shoulders. Actually this weird image of wow. We're supposed to bay for for a long long time really way at sunset. Why i shouldn't shouldn't do as a result made some stupid decisions. Stupid stupid stupid decisions that i've come out and case really and now i feel better so the sense that i'm not trying to say not all right all i don't know the answer to that is very rare but i'm increasingly. Yeah sorry. I was wrong. And that's that's that was unheard of probably two years ago and it feels easier. That's to be to be honest about it rather than trying to live up to something. That was my own creation really makes sense. Yeah a i've sides of it together. A i'm still i'm still may i'm. I'm just a bit more really authentic. Now i think. And i feel better for feel more i feel i feel shackled by my own ego. Yeah bosch a good line lead with. Yeah that's the sound bite. I've really enjoyed this. Giant has been a really interesting Been going for about an hour and a half. now we've been recording by. Thank you so much for coming on. I always speak to people. I already know. Because we've done a couple of times we had qe on we had callum. We had leah nica and these are people that i already thought i knew quite well before we interviewed them. And then i come out of it. And i'm just like i as so much into this person that i didn't even i say i've lent stuff about you today and our listeners. I'm sure stuff about us while if they want to get in contact with you follow what. You're up to his room folks. How can people see what you're up to in history music. I'm about music wise stephen. You've thought some. I can specify data kind of thing Youtube if you wanna see the eyebrow would you describe your music for someone who's never had deviant uk. Okay so it's kind of difficult because your kid so if electronic Its genre colon. So nine inch nails if you knowledge now is gary name all the to kinda references if those things running good marlin months. No eli shouting. That makes sense but yeah so he's electron is quite dark kind of bombastic scott about facebook page for it but i of should have died as well. Yeah this this to albums singles and lots of collaborations and stuff so everybody's h that's not really me anymore thing. I think there's an element of of low bay. I'm still always be showman like Caricature egomaniac now is a caricature while nothing that people after realize that is i thought that was largely based in reality but i can say is a caricature called say. I'm not don't worry about stuff was signed before about it. Yeah yeah dot dot dot not didn't mean any wink wink. It's still always be a palmy book. I'm someone else now thing. I'm sliding into middle age probably past middle age. I'm saying fifties middle aged. Yeah so people contact the the other side of you is and away. The facebook school yang. Instagram is Deviant nice me sound like some kind of code stars but a chapter. Jade la verne. I was the second job to where we all work. Well what a fantastic cha We ended cove it little update jays in the kobe club with me. Yeah j. kovic. What couple of weeks after we recorded that episode amp you. I think he got to the same time as meal. Just a little bit after my memory serves me well. Maybe he calls it through the airwaves through our recording. A bit of a conspiracy hot topics right now. Oh i know yes. There's a lot of chatter about this vaccine. Let me just put some of those myths to bed for people if you are a little bit cautious about the vaccine. I've done a bit of research myself. I know it seems like this has happened quite quickly in that they've rushed through the clinical trials and stuff like that but they've really not it's just the usually when clinical trials happened not many people sign up and that's not really enough people who have the disease to test the vaccine on whereas this is a middle of a pandemic so they've not been without volunteers. People have been very ready to volunteer to test. This and so the vaccine has gone through much quicker than it would usually because they've had the is gone through all of the same tests. There's no doubt that this vaccine is safe otherwise they wouldn't be giving it to everybody. You're not going to grow three is you're not gonna lose a toe or your children are not gonna grow up speaking cantonese unless born in that part of china than stay the fuck maxine this people that dedicate their lives to certain things and they are more intelligent than you on certain things than prime example of it. Sometimes you shaft go except that this is beyond your scope and knowledge and your understanding and go. Maybe they got this home right. Maybe if you put billions of pounds or something. Maybe they know what they're doing potentially potentially maybe yeah just a little bit. I mean obviously recorded that episode. Like i said at the start before lockdown to had happened. Now we're well and truly out of lockdown to. We are back in the madness of christmas shopping and getting ready for that. Have you been out joe. If you've seen the madness of the high streets in the last few weeks person. I've not seen in person. Them pre kind of glad really. I've seen a lot pitches. I've seen linden scene shopping centers. i've certainly heard of shopping. Centers have been absolute mayhem. I mean i've been in shopping centers. I've seen it first. Hand is absolute carnage. Wouldn't even recognize as we've just come out of a lockdown as tons of people there and it is quite scary I've come up with a new tactic for making people say she'll distance around me and it's proved pretty successful. This fantastic listeners. By the way this is revolution. Yeah i discovered it today was in. Greg's up record story. With the fact that i had my trusty baked beans on toast for breakfast than around lunchtime i went into gregson was gonna get myself a nice vegan sausage row swaying in the queue. And this woman like came up behind me and was like well up in myspace. Trying to look at the luca's aids and trying and decide which flavor of luca's h. e. wanted in which pastiche she needed of this stuff. And for god's sake it says on the floor stand hair and stand. Teamsters in front of this. Person's team is behind. She just wasn't paying attention. My beans were brune away and they let one rip this smell sti- permeating from trousers. I smelt it three my mask and you know when you smell your own fox and the eli all usually when i smell my own fox. I don't know what it is like whether it's something in my body chemistry but usually like i i can. I don't wanna say joy because that sounds wrong but you equality check is what you're doing. Yeah of course its own fox. You can kind of take them in and they don't smell that bad to you compared to how they smoked while the people but this will make god it was strong it was toxic. The people around me just dispelled. It was incredible. So if anybody's worried about people social distancing around them just have beans for breakfast because it is the key your fuel for the day protection for the day absolutely. I was walking through the shopping centre with just a cloud of space and gas around me. That just meant that navy came nemi. It was fantastic at one not day so it couldn't have been that it was definitely the trump's where you go you hit it fast listens. You'll go to coach protection. Do wear masks. Well there's not going to give you complete protection. This is certainly not actually layer or extra field. That you need an emmy. If you all wearing a mosque maybe put some light. Lavender royal or something in it just so that you can't smell my thoughts because that will protect you as well. Las anti lockdown march in manchester again. Oh great did you. I didn't go actually. I'm asha my brain cells in my brain so i decided to not go actually on that occasion. Therapy is is what i'm going to say. Do you know. I don't like i think i think the media do play a part in the filming it and i think they kind of ronald them up a little bit and make it more than it is. I think you just kinda let allow like the kid on the north east. That gave them like an hour given the reaction. It'll come down on that note. I think it's time for us to say goodbye. It's been a long one. I hope everyone agree. It was worth it. Check out jay's music on all good places to get music apple music classified diese all of that and if you want something to just maybe a slightly different side of j give him a search on youtube you'll see some of his performances but also some of his interviews are pretty entertaining. So i'm going to say give a google and see what you think. Let us know in the comments or the social media stuff. Yeah personality shall we say and that kind of leads to next week. We got a very interesting guest. I'm gonna tell you anymore yet. we're also gonna have a bit of a christmas themed challenge for golden whole hair. He has no idea what is going to be on. I'm not gonna tell him until recording so stay tuned and you hear all about law very very soon. i'm ready. I don't even know if we've caught next week. So great. thanks we'll see. How pasta thank you to hailey for this logo. Still looking great. As ever harry for the music pumping on the airways every single time. You're listening to this. 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I'm A Celeb: Week 2, Your Questions and Christopher Biggins

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I'm A Celeb: Week 2, Your Questions and Christopher Biggins

"Hello and welcome to help. Thanks sexton my boss says. I'm a celebrity. Get me out of here. Usually this is the podcast. Where jordan and i help you navigate input challenges of modern life win on normal times as you should know by. Now i'm with you every day with a special edition of our podcast. Keeping you up to date with what's going on in the jordan his life. He's currently on the ninety. The reality show having to go through all sorts of trials and extreme conditions. All in the name of light entertainment. I'm william hansen etiquette coach by day. I'm more delicious. Fruit cake jordan's more venomous grass snake snake's venomous book guy with it. Well what a couple of weeks. It has been viper votes. Clifftops policemen happy places public votes. Jeff then there were those hideous eating trials where all sorts of fatty gelatinous rubbish had to be digested. Yes well down to the davison ben who did picky tease each friday. Now indeed speaking of which scuttling up to the microphone like an overeager cockroach with a questionable moustache. Producer ben guys. I'd like to see that cockroach. Yes comedy cockroach. Sounds like a cockroach so maybe I'm imagining a credit. One of those. So horrible plastic massages. You get in christmas crackers or maybe you don't go because you probably get some sort of like car in your christmas crackers or something but not an faberge hundred masons deluxe range coming up later in. Today's episode. I'm going to be challenging to the actor and former king of the jungle the winner of serous seven of i'm a celebrity christopher biggins i think the moment he threw up on the cliffs he was my widow. He's been absolutely charming. I think he's just handled it brilliantly. As bad people love he laughs at excels and where people come to me for advice. If they're going into the jungle and my advice always be yourself and he is see on the script you've written. Icg age which i feel some some points acronyms become more than that was. You could just misled like you said out loud eddie foot. Gmo age. Which i was bored helps me. Fill the time wasting for jordan. Come out to the also and we should just say if you are listening to this podcast. Contemporaneously have only got five more episodes of celebrity. The final is on friday coming up. Which means ben potentially depending on now. The voting has happened and we're voting to to keep our favorites in the camp. If jordan makes it to the final gene divas. You got five more episodes of this. If jordan comes out before. I get an early night. It's win win win really. I'm i'm fairly relaxed about about everything. Well i had a good old lion yesterday. So i'm feeling refreshed and ready to go for the final five days and looking back. It's been two weeks now jordan on our television screens. He's been in a car. So i don i which is more of a challenge watching it for two weeks or being in the castle but yeah i guess it's time for a bit of reflection. How'd you think jordan has changed since he got into the castle because well it seems long ago now but when we first saw him on that cliff was he was in a very different place to where he is now literally. And metaphorically yes he. It was all downhill from there I or india naught it was actually uphill for jordan. Because he has he has really developed as a person. We love him obviously very much. But i think he has. I want to say he's matured. I thought about saying matured. But then i remembered jeff say pulling finger so maybe matured isn't the way isn't the word but i think he has sort of the way. He looks at obstacles or challenges in his life and what he has learned within in these first two weeks and he he may go no further. Who knows i think he will then when he has. You know a lesser challenge in life. Because i mean. I doubt very much. There are going to be many more opportunities in his life where he's locked in a box with snakes calling him although we have got to do in the spring. So we implant that yet. I think he will go well. I've done that actually. This is a because jordan said on the podcast before jordan sometimes when he's going through sort of difficult life career social decisions sometimes. I do the same with him. We'll we'll phone each other of talk it through jordan perhaps needs needs more talking through. Because he's he's a talker and his job. But i actually think probably. Although he'll i would hope he's still finds me for advice. I think actually he'll be a lot. More self assured and confident as he goes about every aspect of life. Yeah it is is a funny thing. Isn't it because. I think a lot of people and this is getting for the software now which is an we often. Don't get so serious on help us. that's my boss. But we have our moments. I'd say we'll we'll do a penis joke in a minute. Stay with us change. But i think a lot of people say. Oh they'll consider. Change is a bad thing of developing always change. But i think i completely disagree with that. As a as a as a thought process i think changing is what we can order to combat people and i think not only as jordan so of developed himself. I think just being in that environment he as this podcast proves for both of you for for everyone involved we get along with people that aren't always exact like us and i think jordan has once again been flung into a situation where he's with eleven other people probably most of whom are nothing like him on paper. They wouldn't normally go for pint with my our or i mean he'd be making. Tv victoria daba shit but actually big on a level with them and just having hopefully a nice time as well as being starving and being forced to or for awful trials He he'll have learned so much about himself. And i it does make me i often. I'm in the last few days of sort of talk about a preemptive criers when it's over which again is out. Sounds quite weird. But i'm thinking about the end and it's going to be emotional. Isn't it when when they saw sort of wraps up. I think that's the sleep deprivation joke. It'll it'll italy that for you. Yeah i i think he'll. It'll be very interesting if nothing else. It's a good chapter of the inevitable autobiography in kennel. Twenty years so is there. An autobiography called unbroken. Is that the name of oh. Is someone that aim of barack obama's new automobiles or or is that michelle obama's no she's becoming. Oh my god. Can you imagine becoming coming noth. I sweat well. I was gonna say broken jordan. Break them but maybe the Jones autobiography is going to be called. Happy place i mean come on oh yeah of course well in another world the second one might be broken when or happy place colon picky completely nonsense echo which makes sense now this time last week. What we did was chatted through a few of the questions. So i think there's an opportunity to onto some more. Some more of those. I put it out on inscribed the other day to go through chaos. I what do you think jordan. More say when he discovers. Ben has taken his place. Well jordan should we let them into a secret so when when we knew this was going to be happening a few weeks fort was announced when it was definitely confirmed he he was going. We you and me start as a plot what we were going to do. And we decided that we wouldn't tell jordan because we didn't concern him. He had enough on his plate. Worry about so we wouldn't. We wouldn't worry him once he's gone. We can do what we like basically but he did manage to emotionally blackmail us before he went to tell him what we were going to do. And so he he is aware but on. I ain't think he is aware off is and i say these words reluctantly. It's a sunday some unfailing. He wasn't aware of how good you would be in his shoes while compliment. I mean i'm. I struggled to skip back a bit. Because when it was are off to tell jordan. This offer news that i be switzerland. The microbes first time. Who was it down to. It was down to me one of those situations where there's this awkward thing that everyone knows needs to be said. There's a group you know they need to say something to someone in the room silent and you just know that everyone's looking at you wasting you'd say something and as you'll know if you listen to the podcast regularly. I don't say so difficult for me but no here we are. I mean i haven't taken his place. Let's make that very clear jordan. Very much be back on the mike fame monies back from the cost. So don't worry about that. it's been good fun. Hasn't it william. And i like to think that maybe jordan more laugh at least one in my jokes. Probably the bush one when he listens to these. Yes the the crew district james. We've had another question here from sarah. What has been jordan moment of the series so far. Well i think you may have different. Thoughts is is is the vine volt happy place chanting that he did not so much. Anything jordan is that that was his moment of the series so far because obviously those celebrities have no idea what is being broadcast mean. Look at the the show. Is that of ninety minutes. Maximum per night. I'm sure there's all sorts of comedy gold and things that have gone on that we haven't seen but the fact that he is he plays happy. Place has inspired in the news. The other day it's raised over twenty thousand pounds for Burnley f c t shirts that you can buy if you by the way. Jd was want to to buy them. There's a lincoln all bio on twitter or on instagram. Click on national. Tv you to the right page. The proceeds from it go to among others pedals hospice course. We interviewed bethann sammy a few days ago. I think when jordan comes out regardless of anything else that will be his proudest achievement. I think back to when we saw anson deck talking about that trial on instagram stories. Saying this is one of the best trials we have done. And i think we were both quite nervous about that because it was audio jordan but he got in volts and i can say stole the hearts of the nation. He has been on sky sports. He has had bernie players talking about. He's raised thousands and thousands of pounds of charity. Just because he was really scared and he got taken to a took himself to his happy place so when he discovers that he's going to i think as you as you've mentioned yourself i think before he is going to well up and i have cried himself in the most nice way as possible because what impact. He's had and i think that would be a highlight for most liberties that step foot in the car struggle. And he did it on the source. Second day or something like that. So yeah tough debate. So many other things come to mind. I mean scarf between the legs also but for the impact. It has to be happy place. Happy place to have more. I think third question just before we go to the break. Which celebrity in the car. So would you like as a guest on the podcast. When this all snow more from rob jordan guest yes a regular feature maybe once every month and we just yeah maybe on the bonus friday episodes he could take a come on. Yeah who would i like. I don't know probably roussy henshaw new. You're gonna say iraq know beverly. I think it's got to be. Beverly get get better leone. We've had. We've had her stepdaughter much as well. Have the woman sound. Book still has arrived. Actually that reminds me so as soon as the book. I'm just gonna have to take the day off. Work out probably forget to book. A guest again. Read kim on sits and then i cannot listeners that day key moments in beverly council life does that sound okay to been as long as you're happy i'm happy identifies true and talking happy. I know something that's going to make you. Happy me family despondent. It's another look into the archive from jordan's joke of the week. My boss exit shortlist name to dick especially 'cause they've come from and remember. Jean divas every day. You can vote as to who you would like to keep in the castle we would like you to for jordan. We would love you to vote for jordan at all. The information is on i. Two dot com search for. I'm a celebrity. And the information is there or it's on any celebrities social media as well. Remember you're voting to keep people in the castle. Not vote out so few like jordan. If you want jordan to stay vote for jordan. We'll be back after this today. Sponsor is brought to you by nature. 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Only so you need to book before. I december to make the most of them but the good news is that you'll have the flexibility to travel any time in twenty twenty one head to booking dot com forward slash blackfriday to book your next big adventure. Fishes an introduction to the podcast gets a flavor for your neighbor parent over the fence when things have got sense with the most outrageous tales of your next door fails. The time has come for you to listen to score next dole. My name's rich williams. I'm joan school next. Door is our brand new podcast. They got at hopefully a bit more than you love. Your neighbors says the new episode every wednesday sits for us wherever you listen to podcasts defined that will older fluffy tobacco neighbors. You might as well listen to the people that hate us. Our guest today is someone who is perhaps even more at home in a pair of high heels than our to jordan the actor former king of the jungle and renowned pantomime dame christopher biggins. Hello christopher we're doing very well thank you won't do you make all of our children. In the castle. I say the moment he threw up on the cliffs he was my widow iphone vulnerability of him. And i know what it's like that i initial thing i mean i was very lucky i was. I came in three days late. Into and i have to fly in. I didn't have to be jumped in. I didn't have to. I did not think. All i did was walk. It's act and i won't enjoy an is the alive challenge Which was very terrifying serapheim. Because i was behind a bush to go on. And i could hear this. American voice of a woman called janice dickinson to be the most hideous woman. I've ever been in my life and she She then proceeded to do that. She was charming but anyway she. We did the challenge and she didn't do one single thing. I did everything. And i want all the south side. This is interesting. Then i found out what a vile woman she was. So and of course we were down to the last two in the jungle and i was convinced she wanted. She was convicted. When it was announced that i'd shaved got up literally got up. Went to a car. Go to which the apple was very funny. You keep in touch on every day when you're in the jungle you're on the edge of y'all wooden stool oil log Anticipation the fact that antagonise say your victims but joan. Wait we out tonight. Joel is without doubt my winner from day. One i as i say for the throughout my widow not some. He'll be thrilled to hear that. He's been absolutely charming I i think he's just handled it brilliantly. He's bay people love. He loves it excels and where people come to me for advice. If they're going into the jungle and my advice always be yourself and he is. I of course i. I've never heard of it before this show. And i but i sincerely believe is being himself. He could not make that up. yeah he is. He is being as charming and lovely. Thanks for eleven years the listeners. Listen to this for three years. And i was at the whether you detected this with any of the other series christopher it sort of is a little bit in the hands of those registering interests to how much of your personality is. Put out there while editing is the key to this show and in fact you. You can't win or lose by the editing. I mean you look at someone like eight who i've met. Who's a charming young man and a very good set. But apparently he's just coming over his dallas ditch water. And i think he's not being given his chance. I mean i may be wrong. That she really is does ditch water and nobody wants to. He certainly not being given shops. And that was when he and At the east end the guy Chain ritchie shane. Richie had a moment about washing out. And they will wonderful look scary back since always that it was a knox ever gonna do the challenge. That hasn't other than that. And actually the chain has been such a positive of the tiny bit attention that has been in this series. But it hasn't it hasn't been very tense camp really sort of gone now. I think i think that's very unfortunate one of the things. I put it down to the council because i think the cost is too big to spread like finish. They will sleeping area. They've got a sitting area. They've got a washington. We never had any of that. I mean we did have a. We have to go down to the pool in wash so that that that was that. But you they're all over the place you there's not one place saint consequently no one's gone on top of each other and of course at the end of the day it's all very nice to everybody will take it all but it's not fun fun for the audience point of view they to see browns. They want to see you. Jillian mckee's saints and all that sorta thing go on. I mean it's hysterical. When that happens and you want someone to really hate if you possibly can. We're entering the the final week intention. Is this sort of the point where it all does as you get rid of a few personalities as well as this more tension could come. Yes i think. I think tension could stop build in a in a very big way. I mean it was evident with aj at the top business which has been that befall because shade obviously doesn't like to wash up and there's the state of those patents. He left stand disgusting. You put that his law maxi the queen which navy in it would not. You wouldn't put it in front of a trump and he didn't like being pulled up on entity there. He did not. I mean he's he's clever shane. He's not putting the business so he's very funny. I mean he's very funny deed. But i mean i think it's the council is being great but i hope they go back there. I mean if i was going to the jungle this year i would have been very disappointed to go into the castle. I must say because speech freezing in that. Yeah i think that's why they give them wolves because otherwise they don't get pneumonia. That's been great. Tv a distant for death. Now i you. When you were that in the jungle in australia you joined in your hammock by a rent when you were sleeping now as listeners will know i was petrified of rats. I had hypnotherapy before i watched this this series so i could just cope with watching jordan potentially do things with rents. How was rationed hammock. How did you we. You sched- well i tell you what 'cause we we Rich self. we had a chat. I to go breakfast. And we had to go to an underground room and we got down. We walked down into the underground room and the dole slammed behind us. And we were in that that was just too from six very tight hammocks and we looked around. That was a poll to in the cold and there was nothing else and out. Where we suddenly saw a rat arise we we screamed we jumped onto the the hammocks which was very precarious. And you'd full off immediately as we jumped onto them. We were aware they've letted two hundred. Rats oh my go into this area now. It was nighttime so they had a night camera office. Which was that was brilliant. Actually because we did manage to fall asleep at night but we decided if one got on top of us that would be we'd say So anyway time goes on. And i fall asleep and then i wake up and i'm sure that somebody instead i in the dark. I'm convinced it's my water bottle fact. It's iraq which. I really got my hands on. And the ranch's won't be around my crotch And then what i do. I cover a sheet with the rats of the rack now covered and and i lay back again. I sort of go back to sleep. And then the rat comes out from underneath the cover and a night touch it and ice cream and i threw it against the wool where we can confined of the cell. And that's where history was made is one of the funniest moments i think they've ever had and ice cream. Oh my god gated off me. Get off me and it was. It was perfect. Mean wasn't passing inside but it was a you okay with rents now has exposure therapy. You'll you'll find with the now. When i did one the jungle that year the following year i went back to documentary for it about the making of the series. And i met man who deals with all the animals all the critters and he has his own area of the of set the six months before had he breeds everything and And i think the cleverness of the including the rats is the fact that all clean that not. The cockroaches are dirty i mean. Can you imagine if something happened to one of the celebrities and we laugh about people dying have nothing is going to kill you in as the fault of which will kill you off all that. That's yeah okay. Well interesting nine nine they. They breed all that cockroaches and maggots and rents and very nice young man. You've just that nice to have a hobby. Did you also going back into the sleeping bear whether you're in a hammock. All it was part of a task or somewhere else did you mind being filmed sleeping. Because i think it's a bit voyeuristic for friday to be to be filming people sleeping. It's bit weird. Isn't it very interesting to say that the first night Read to see in the oakland underneath the sky underneath the stars. I did think to myself about what's going to crawl over me during the night and i did fall asleep and fat. I set the best. I've ever snapped by life every single night so much say that i think they might have been putting bro bite in the water because we had no. I mean there was thought one sexual fault. And i checked with olbermann. We never know caught with a you do a direction in the morning. It's all very solar say anal. But i didn't mean it was the lack of that exactly all about fold and but we didn't have any and it was it was fascinating. I remember one voting waking up with a stops because there was a sound guy literally two inches away from my face hooting you. Backfield's and my mic. That frightened me. Because i wasn't expecting but it was very funny. And of course. It's is one of the cleverest televisions because nobody backstage at new cameraman. Their sound guy out whatever producer nobody's And even that watches a covered over us. They didn't even know what time it is. I mean it's really at gay. Jordan has at the other the other day shaved off his beard his almost treatment bid on you pro or anti jordan's new. Look i love is new. Look i think it's i think it's great. I think he looks nice. And fresh. yes and You know. I think people with beers have very castle because they can look very odd tape and raffled But i think he's he looks fantastic now. I mean i really be peaks. I suspect he went to get it. Stopped growing it again. He's he looks wonderful. I think is about newly good. And i loved it when he was in the shower the other day and they would tweet each other's nipples. That was very the yes. Can you see can you see on. Produce abedin's yes. I can't i can't i. Yes now that should that should be shaved off good that yeah when we finish this interview please go go get rid of it thank you i i tell him that. Dieting but what is not believing. no no he he will. We'll make recalled this regardless on tape now with less than a week to go. Who is your prediction for. King or queen of the cost well. Jody has to be nice by fate. As i said my favorite. I think he will definitely with it because i think he's. He's proved himself to be the a really nice nomo guy and i think that's the public won't i also Love the coronation street woman. Seventy cannot beverley callard. who i think has been. She has had some of the funniest lines i mean. I really became a vegan vegan of by favorite like so much of the country as a yes exactly regretting it already. She's she's a. Don't you call it. A husband shack something. Make a shank mega shag. That old man And i think she is described as a king or queen of the could be of those. I think the other a very good to us. 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Ask Thad Q&A Session 3

The Thaducation Podcast

26:16 min | 1 year ago

Ask Thad Q&A Session 3

"In today's episode idea with your questions around what can businesses do to pivot and crisis how to approach potential Klein and respectful. Way Share Secrets on how I learn things what to do in your approach by investors who tries to offer you equity instead of payment and lots of other things all around design and creativity if you have any questions for me. I'd love to have them visit Angkor. Fm Ford Slash Education and leave a message. Hi My question for you today is how do you learn in the most effective way? How do you stay fresh updated with all that's going on in your industry? And what is the most effective way for you to absorb and interpret information? I'm really curious about that. Thank you so. I think I'll start by answering. How do you stay up to date? Will this information industry like anything? I think fingerprints go point of view. It's worth you know. Signing up industry newsletters joining industry groups and following industry thought leaders on linked in and instagram wherever? And if you choose into the right people you will effectively your social feeds into your own bespoke industry news feed which is great because it keeps you on top of kind of what's happening and it means that you can be you know involved and commenting and sharing all kinds of good industry news which is going to give give you the charts. Have your finger on the pulse and things to talk about when you meet your target market so for me. That's always a good thing. I think it's always good to find a couple of people that you respect and kind of can follow For me I think it. They're going to be many massive surprises. Big Fan of Lake Vantage Godin and Granado. Those kind of people the thing is I think that where it begins to tip over nothing they sort of leans into. How'd you learn is if you have too many of those people it can become exhausting Because you will always be kind of if you think. Each one person is putting out regular content telling people what to do probably teaching they know all that kind of stuff and I think that if you're picking up that from one person that's already also take Gary vantage up for example. You were listening to him every day. That's a lot of stuff to be taking in and kind of even acting upon if you add three people into the mix. It's exhausting and I think that what can happen and I certainly have been a victim of this in the past. Is You get information overwhelm where you're just to busy consuming it? You're not actually doing anything with it. And I'm guilty of of holding information and even signing up for courses that I don't really take because I want access to them because I think it might be valuable in the future so what I would say. Is You pick. Maybe one or two people that you really respect and stay tuned into them for six months. You find it the big test of all of this and you know gathering information. It's one thing to kind of share what you've learned and there's a very different thing of teaching what you know and the difference is simply to teach something you know you need to have done it and failed it in order to find out what to do to succeed it and I think this is where the kind of theory and the practical element comes in and so the big difference is always going to be. Whatever you're learning. You need to be trying to apply that in some way because I guarantee you if you do exactly what they say it won't work. It's a bit like cooking a recipe. I can follow a chef and I can watch videos and follow his recipes that letter but because I'm not experienced cooking identity. I'm going wrong and it's only when a professional ship comes in and can taste it and you need more salt or in more sugar and this is where my wife who is a really good cook and come in. I can spend hours making a SPAGHETTI SAUCE. And she will come in and within about three minutes. We'll fix it as we call it and it will taste amazing. Didn't quite know what she does but she's able to taste. It realized what is lacking an adequate and make amazing and that comes from years of actually doing and I think this is the key to learning anything. It's doing it so for me. I tend to learn best through exploration and trying to work it out so I don't like to follow instructions. I know that drives my dad crazy but I prefer to figure out and I I assume that whatever is being designed has been intuitively designed enough for me to work it out. I will often watch videos and then I will apply and do it but I often find the best way to learn anything. Actually you met remember is to Apply in a real setting so quite often is oh for example. When I wanted to learn and deepen my knowledge around sort of the most strategic approach to branding and brand strategy I would be you know at Kentucky. Probably ten or so. Free on my workshops with clients and friends just to learn the skills and then. I had to tweak you know kind of what I was doing in order to improve it worked for me. I kind of believe that as your knowledge of sending deepens you pick up on other things. Us possibly miss first around so for example if I was learning Brand Strategy and the future has caused could call the first time I will go through pick up on certain things I will do. Apply adjust it to suit me and I might revisit their companies time and go. Oh I totally miss this bit and build that back in and you soon kind of realize that it's a combination of actually doing it getting it wrong fixing it so it works and then just doing it your own way and that's true of everything whether it's learning to Dj. Nothing beats doing it and also doing in club because you learn about the fact that no one's really listening and you learn about what records to play when the po-point is that you could apply the learning in some sort of pressure situation so you're two on your feet and you. There is no room for kind of like hold on stop. Can we do that again? That kind of you learn in the moment very quickly and this would be everything for football coaching anything. You know you can read the books on. How the drills you can plan the drills and draw them out. It's only when you're on the pitch doing them that you realize. Oh this is different for the video. I watched it didn't go this one. I planned so in order to correct that you have to have a fair amount of knowledge amassed and then you can correct it. Learn from it reflected differently so for me the way I learn by doing. I am awful reading books and not doing much with the more sunny coming back from later but I think if I were. I'm serious about something. I absolutely jump into it and I become obsessive and I try and learn it and that's been the same whatever I've done that's been designed advertising. Dj -ing running restaurants Coaching whatever you have to throw yourself into it you have to pick out learning as you go and you have to test that learning in a pressure environment so that you're going to have to basically fail it And the pressure of failing forces you to become creative and I think that's everybody so it's always keep up to date with the information. Your knowledge limit the sources of information. So you don't get overwhelmed. And actively set time aside to be applying that knowledge Even little form what works for you For example to finish off. Why would say if I wanted to improve my public speaking? I deliberately booked slot at Expo with a with a speaking slot on purpose. And because I had to deliver that man I forced myself to public speaking coach and then I would force myself to actually do the public speaking talk and I'll be completely honest. It didn't go as as well as I hope. Because the event was chaotic and I didn't promote it as well You know but it meant the. If I hadn't forced myself to do it I never would have got speaking coach. I never would have gone to the event and the whole time. There's always a bit where you WanNa go architects council. They don't WanNa do this. And it's the pushing past. The fear in the university is so important because I learned the value of you can do speaking event but if no one's promoting it no one really turn up and pay attention. So that's important also what you planned in. The speech isn't how it worked out in the room because of whatever happened technical difficulties and things so you learn all of that and you only learn by doing so as I said. I think you've got to take bite size. Bits of learning and actively apply them before you can really cement. And then that's what I mean by teaching what you know and not doing what so many other people do which is to regurgitate the thoughts of other people. Just because they read books those people will always be failing They have what's called Donning Krueger Syndrome? And they will thing. They're brilliant and they will talk about themselves and tell you how brilliant they are but the reality is that to probably scared. Or they haven't done it in the real world and if they pushed a toll delis debate exposed but they live in a world of showing off online with no accountability. And that's fine but you know I despise that the person that Covet nineteen may have impacted the business goals of many entrepreneurs. How can they get back on track and or revised their goals during these uncertain times? Thank you I think if your entrepreneurial by nature you'll fairly used to being responsive to trends and dealing with setbacks I think something like covert nineteen is fairly unprecedented and as you can see from all around. This people are being put into situations. They've never been put into before. I think that the thing is it's always good to be well. The the first of all the thing is if you're looking for businesses always goods every or quarter to be trying to work out where we make improvements doing kind of role play brainstorm. Will you imagine that you are going to start up? A rival company going to launch into the same industry. And you're GONNA trump yourself our business and if you can role play that and try to think okay. What are we struggling with where? I'm blind spots. What customers want you know? Can we provide a solution? That's GONNA suit them. That was going to be helpful. Can you impose restrictions on your business such as what would happen if we had to deliver this all through our instagram account? Or what happens if this was only online. Or how would we run this business in another country? We can never visit things like that. They they force you to think different sort of question and road test your system and all your processes of delivery. So they're all really Barron solid Again with entrepreneurial people what you've got to be doing. Is You probably go to just scrap most of your plans and start again? You're going to have to plan. I would say in increments you're going to have to ninety days with break into thirty and possibly weekly goals and you got a few really focused about what you're being committed to doing. It's always going to be looking for opportunities for collaboration with others trying to pivot to work with industries that are thriving matchmaking businesses that need help and could actually help each other so I think in these kind of things. You're just looking to kind of go. Well what how could I vote my current business just to survive and then I think how can I actually go again and actually look to take advantage and expand maybe expand into new markets. And what do I need to do? But this is all a case of unfortunately researching industries that are doing quite well and again as you would approach any industry. Try and find out where there is opportunity for you to help them. And if that means you've got to pivot what you offer. I think you have to do that. You know the whole thing of the people in the first call came along and before that it was who host drawn carriages. Just because you decided to bring out a new set of really cool horse buggy whips or better wheels or like better looking horse. Carriages you are innovating to certain degree in an industry. That's GONNA go out of business so I think you've always got to be looking to shift to move into other industries and usually it's transferable learning. It's transferable skills and the way you can do that is by getting your own head Going with a partner and role playing as if you were going to enter that industry in the same way the I would encourage you to kind of role. Play to put yourself how business I would role play to see what you need to launch in another industry and then look at your infrastructure and your resources to see okay can we. Is this viable? Do we have this sort of facilities tools and people experience and network in order to do that and I would start to do it. I think it's such a volatile world but it anything those who innovate and evolve survived those who don't die so am afraid it's a case of you're going to have to keep innovating and those cycles are going to get shorter over time but like anything that's GonNa make you leaner faster more impressive entrepreneur and you know so. This might be the making of you to like. I said it's all about staying positive building relationships and looking to create shore innovation cycles. So you can keep your your business and everything flexible and dynamic. Hey Thad there's some graphic designers that only wanNA focus on developing logos icons and things of that nature with brand strategy becoming a buzzword industry and more graphic designers pivoting towards including that service. Do you think that a designer sticking to just designing logos is a sustainable career path? Why or why not thanks? You can absolutely make a logo design. You don't have to do. Brand strategy I can see the The attractiveness a brand strategy. Because you know you can be brought in early in the project to deliver a vital piece of work is valuable to the project paid very wealth doing it But like I said. It's one of those things that I don't think you have to offer both to do well and I'd have to say that when it comes to logo design there's plenty of people out there who do exceptionally well just offering that because like anyone. They've hung they cross over many years. And if you're fortunate enough and you've managed to work with say a promising startup that's grown Huel. Reputation will improve as that starts up grows so if you look at someone like mackey. Saturday who did the Instagram logo? Years ago. He would have done very well off the back of that and it would have helped him land more work because the next company comes along they going to say. Who did you get to do a logo? And it'll be. I got the kid. The did the Instagram logo. Now they will go until customers in their friends and that gives them Kudos and they feel happy about themselves and so in the same way that you would hire a chef who'd worked under famous chef or had a Michelin Star or master. Chef is a shorthand way of describing. How good you are in order to get good and get sought after you're going to have to partner impressive entrepreneurs and startups and maybe if you can partner with an early start up that seems to grow and do well. That's a really good way in. It's always down to relationships and who you know getting snow. The right people will get you more opportunities and then showcasing what you'll doing In a really attractive way that again. Reinforces the impact. Your work and have on the business is always going to help sell you know because you can quite rightly say if a brand has grown and your logo design played a role in that because it talked to the right people within the specific industry. Then you should talk about that because you did play a role in that success. I think with all these things like I said it. It comes down to hone your craft and spending a long time getting really good logo design and that's just years of doing it. That's just years of elimination. And knowing what will and won't work and like a good chef or sportsman paper top of their field. Make it look easy because they know what will work. They've made lots of mistakes. And like I said if your work is aesthetically pleasing and you're able to get your competitions well balanced in the all the proportions beautifully. Done an appropriate then. That's that's you know. That's an skill and across the be respected and if that comes across that will be of secretly yo talented you partner that with your reputation and results which is kind of like who you're working with and what that does for them and then finally it's always about who you know if you nurture your network and getting the right people. I think all of those things will come together to cement. Your reputations of Antastic logo designer and the agencies are just come to you with the strategy done with brief and you just fulfil that said like you said it's absolutely possible to have extremely successful lucrative careers logo designer but it's only going to be like the same reasons anyone who is successful musician. Whoever is because they've spent years learning the craft and they have a track record of success high-fat so when clients come to you and they want a discount? Usually they offer you partnership Hsieh's but what does it mean when they want to invest in you in exchange for discount so surely if they have the money shouldn't they just pay for your services. The immediate red flag for me is they want a discount but they also want to invest. I'm very skeptical about this kind of approach. Because if you can't afford to pay my services where you're going to get money to invest and why you investing in me but then I kind of engagement is one we owed. You'll going in asking for a deal. I think it seems to me that anyone. Who has this approach? I would take his pretty sketchy. I think it's really strange and you know let's break down if they invest in you. Then what does that mean? Does that mean they give you a twin equity in the company or they put money into your company now. Judging by the fact they want a discount it probably means they can off you equity in their own company. Which again is probably not something you want. Because you don't have much control over that equity. You don't know how much it's worth you haven't had it efficiently valued. It's quite complicated process and with all these things if they are struggling for cash now there's a good chance they're gonNA go business soon because they haven't got enough investment. Why are they asking for this count? That also leads me as a thing of like going in asking for a discount. I think he's a bit crap. I think with all these things if I tried that approach in a restaurant. They would tell me to leave. I think if I tried that approach with any business they would ask. They would probably say no so. Why should designers many of the same I think you can to reduce the scope or maybe give them a range of options to suit their budget. But I think Just accepting a discount is is out of the question. I think anyone who would lead the discount is rude so I wouldn't want to do business with them so for me. I have a lot of red flags with this kind of relationship because I'm wondering why is short of money? Why being disrespectful and I don't see how any of this can actually be sort of quantified and justified and explained because you can easily change your quote to reduce the fee in half an hour for them to come and deliver on their side of the partnership that's going to take time because they need independent valuation. It's hearsay and speculative. It's all probably nonsense. So I think in any of these kinds of relationships I would say no and I think generally as a rule I would be really really skeptical about accepting investment in a company or equity in the company story because you have very little control over that There's no point in giving you a chunk of the company and then they listen to what you say. We have a very small role in deciding how company behaves Because they can say it's worth twenty thousand pounds but if they screw up the company and it's nothing it's nothing I would also say that. Don't accept discounts. I'll be honest. I've I've absolutely discounted my work if I seen it's appropriate but I feel it's it's my decision to make and I would always go along the lines of all reduced the scope rather than give you a discount because once you start to discount your work devalue it and I think people who are kind of looking for delivery financially minded appropriate not wanting to invest in you as kind of as a unique person and they really value work. I think they're more bouncing the books. So although I understand that and they might be limited budget the question's always got to be. What is your budget? I will let you know what I can do for that budget. And then we can decide if we want to carry on working together but will these people. I would really really anxious and I would absolutely have everything in writing. Be legally solid. Don't accept the investment or anything like that and don't discount and if you're struggling to get up situation because they're putting you under pressure you or their friends. Will you know them or for whatever reason use my oh classic big bad wolf. Stodgy and come up with a fictional business coach. Who you say I would love to take this deal but my business coach won't allow me to do it so unfortunately I can't. I'm terribly sorry and put all the emphasis and blame on your fictional business coach who is elusive shadowy. Figure in the background who they caught me or talk to who is acting on your best interest. So even if that's me if you want me to be that person. I'm always happy to be to do that role for people because I'm not emotionally invested in. I can be as PERF as independent officers need be but like I said with all these kind of things anyone who lead discount. I'd say no and absolutely Never accept equity instead of cash. Hi Dad what's the best tactic to reach out to potential client? If you've only met them a few times so you only have their phone number and address. Would you call or stop by their office? What's the best and most effective way to reject to them? Thanks I think with all these things. It depends on the person and what they respond to. And how your relationship came about so lots of variables there but it's a break it down most people you would probably say warm them up by sending them a message just reminding them of who you are and how you connected if it's three friends that's really nice and easy. If it was from avert an event you can follow up and remind them. I think it's probably a case of getting them on. Several channels Several types from email to instagram you know damning to linked in messaging to you know whatever it might be. I think you make contact and with all these things. It's all about going in with something which is going to be important to them. And he's GonNa offer value to them and leading with what they're interested with first so it's never. I need you to help me do this. It's more a case of I'd love to have a checks. I've got an idea that could really help you all. Could I interview for any reason or can I help? I think it's just the the intent is always go to to help them and I think you've just got to be patient and respectful and try and get to them through multiple channels and then you find one that works and I think it might be that you know. I'd always recommend dying off slowly liking their posts sending a message being visible Maybe having a conversation online in the comments and escalating that to being kind of. I'm going to be in your town. I'd love to grab you for five. Minutes for coffee. Is Okay and just escalating that to their face to face interaction and then from that you can probably carry on digitally every email for a bit but with all these things you have to be respect for their time. So it's swift into the point. You have to make to them so ways that you can help them or introduced people or you ideas so this will take time if valuating what they're interested in what their business needs you know looking at their kind of websites social media all that kind of stuff to find opportunities and then like I said. He's being respectful inpatient and just gradually warming up the compensation levels and then keeping in touch but intent is everything you know. Cold Calling Code. Email isn't going to work. I think people are always appreciate it if you're respectful and they're more likely to listen to you if you something valley to offer so. I think I in this case. They're an important connection. It's all about being respectful and leading with value and just trying a multipronged approach to see which works because everyone is different and Evelyn you know use different platforms for different functions and if you can attack the mold them politely Then that's a good strategy. I enjoyed the episode as much as I did making it. I love these kupuna episodes so in order for them to happen. I need your questions. So if you'd like to leave me a question please do so by visiting Anchor Dot FM Ford Slash Fabrication. And there's a little option to click on the message. And you can leave me a voicemail or alternatively you can send me an email to education dot com as always. I recommend you join me in the facebook group by searching Agitational facebook and apart from that like every time I would love your help growing the podcasts. 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(Featured) Things That Go Boom: Why the US and Iran have bad blood

PRI's The World

34:43 min | 1 year ago

(Featured) Things That Go Boom: Why the US and Iran have bad blood

"The world is supported by Israel's story a podcast tells extraordinary stories about regular people living in Israel the kind you won't see on the news on line the show kicked off season four with a mini series called the wall beginning with the Gorges Tale of a Jewish Arab baby born at the Western Wall in the middle of the Six Day War we've got bad blood happens and there's a whole crop of countries just itching to join this dangerous club host Lacy Healy and her team explore we don't worry much about nuclear war anymore and go boom let's roll last year after President Trump decided yanked us out of the Iran nuclear deal Iran's foreign minister a guy named Mohammad-javad Sirri life gave an interview to the New Yorker we can't start over he told the magazine you need to be able to have a relationship that's based on some foundations maybe we should by going inside the Iran nuclear deal secret missions burial plots a crying Jag and even a false alarm about Armageddon things the cycle girl so every day he has to make her phone love with him on for a GAM every day he starts from zero and a bonus podcast to loyal listeners of the world from Pr X.. This show goes deep inside the crazy reality we don't like to think about we already live in a world of nuclear uh I'm Lacey Healy and today on things that go boom we're taking a look back at the relationship that brought us here because to me three helped negotiate the Iran deal under Obama he's basically the John Kerry of Iran but he said that today under trump diplomacy with the US case of short term memory loss where every night the sleet gets wiped clean old on this sounds like something I would tell us cycle girl so he would stop on me Royal Story Dot Org or wherever you listen to podcasts heads up fans of the world were putting a little something extra in your feed things that go boom is a little like the movie fifty first dates you may remember it and I'm Sandler and Drew Barrymore go out on a date become a couple but he learns that she has a severe ask Utah Iran's leaders so chaos death and destruction running Americans of a certain age he had a furrow seat to wash through relationship crumble today he lives in the US in a home filled with art and pieces of poetry written and I L. I am I've never even met you seem to be saying that the US was giving him relationship whiplash Vanua trump would want to kill the deal or even why Obama would've wanted in the first place I you have to understand why as Taylor swift with say today he says he wants to talk to President Hunter tomorrow he says President Ronnie is a corrupt dictator the Senate he says he he's a lovely Mac then he says thank you Aram who asked us first name was born in Iran and like many back prds food on the table scene from your own they call it about hope you like it many Iranians and running Americans still haven't forgiven the US for the WHO helped orchestrate in one thousand nine hundred eighty three it's a key moment in our history that watching the environment it was so much pleasure you did the deal he wanted commitment but trump he wanted to see other people and the reef was just looking for a reliable partner still stinks today from Rob's perspective though he was just a kid and when I was four or five miles say that he cut from the news they're held fridge with magnets moist semel Zanzibar charcoal that the water come to the teapot and you put a cheap out their own natural resources Iran's oil and having a say in their own government barons oil is a very long story but it starts with this British socialite the train station and could in the sleep because of the train and just taking my head out of the window and she she was a journalist based in the Middle East and today she spends a lot of time thinking about the intersection of Iran's culture and politics there was great hope nope within society and on the streets for the notion of a more democratic government and Iranians were very hopeful for finally owning Coco actually find any he gives darcy a pretty good deal Darcy pays about twenty thousand pounds but if he strikes oil Iran will only get sixteen shortages and scorching heat Darcy's ready to give up the ghost he sends his prospectors a telegram telling them to come home at the end of the month and orders to cost to capital of Iran and he's remembered that he brought us by horse the he'd seen him dressed as a historian at Yale so nine hundred fifty s Iran was a hopeful place she has dark curly hair confident smile before she went back to school for thank you please keep us out of your mess Eisenhower's afraid of throwing the whole region into chaos and he tries to keep his distance so the British up the and as they're packing up they strike oil the British go all in on Darcy's find at the time Iran's oil practically belong percent of the prophets that's okay because I it looks like the show is right after several hair owing years of smallpox bandits while urge on a bill to nationalize the Anglo Iranian Oil Company and in March of Nineteen fifty one it's approved the move is so popular that one really lobbying for the overthrow of Messiah deck the British turn to Washington and they ask for a favor but at first the US is like no William Knox d'arcy who strikes with Ron's monarch the shah in the early nineteen hundreds the deal grand star the rights to go looking for oil and since the shy Scott the US government on board and just to drive the point home they mentioned most ex- personal behavior which includes wearing pyjamas to public appearances and giving long to England to accompany sort of erroneously called the Anglo Iranian Oil Company when in fact all the assets belong to the United Kingdom as so they're not just going to let it go I they try to cripple around with an all-out oil embargo but most the deck won't budge and so they started months later most of that is appointed prime minister by Iran Shah but Iranian oil helped pull the UK out of the economic doldrums after two world wars well as nearly all the prophets fifty years after Darcy strikes it rich British cars and trucks are running on cheap oil factories are fueled by it and the real and then incomes this wildly popular Iranian parliamentarian named Muhammad Most said that he leads the risk the CIA organizes a coup called Operation Ajax at the time bomb was just a child living with his whole family and may be powers at ships with Ronnie and fuel the Iranians themselves are less than thrilled with the short end of the stick but they're not getting very far in negotiations beaches from his bed he looks like crazy person and nobody wants that so in August of nineteen fifty-three with support from the British embassy in secrecy lots of talking about the that are British embassy is behind it but later on of course over the monarchy for the next twenty six years and the rest of the world moves on moreover the song was played over and over and over again in the fifties a few days later they said Shaw left on his queen arriving room the news is disoriented I the Shah's run out of run after attempting to anti they talk a bronze instability and the looming communist threat to forget it's the fifty s and kind of use that as a scare tactic to bring the Iranian radio and it's this this Birdsong of goodbye written by a student activist immortalised in the voice of Hasanich will not a little young to understand heartbreak he's busy growing up and soon theron starts to change too good or motor I choc- all over the cities and tending dog dishonest anything related to the prime minister his it's this young man saying kiss me one last time it's time to go and our spring is over this period of hopefulness for beginnings that Spring is over and just kiss me one last time I'm leaving it's over the whole but of mobs around in the city and they were shouting royalist literal sense of the word we're in for a rough time the small ram small room but we had so many people neighbors at night you know all the neighbors get together and talk my the happy songs Nile Donovan Dot Com Sean is boredom boredom is it too much to hope that we will see one small tankers Britain maybe sanity will yet pray Andy around and Britain go forward in Hollywood thirty three hundred killed and it is a conservative estimate then free all of a sudden quite don't and then they sit Shawna's Reuther it means the rain the rain is coming and you know usually after rain things are getting better unmotivated getting paved and more electricity called post with light is being installed on the streets and more movie theater started to you know come up like mushrooms and lots of songs underbelly of discontent became the grounds upon which those who were politically active mobilized ultimately for the man genders mix at the same time as Iran begins to make all these cultural strides it also launches its nuclear program with a little help from the Eisenhower as it very heavy shadow of security and secret service at least this is what we feel and and people started who have more color food clothing promises not to build a bomb but the coup still hangs heavy on the hearts and minds of many Iranians a huge part of the country hasn't seen their lives improve uh-huh seeing also people were whispering with themselves you know all these songs it was a great time it was a great on Iran Iran because of the great leadership of the shop President Jimmy Carter describes the country's an island of stability in one of the once again turn towards Auburn most of that was removed from power Brian restored to the throne forced to abandon what we had created in the Wilderness us oh young women were more and more dressing in Western ways of miniskirts you know the seventies the mosques as well as leftists as well as others who had gone abroad with the scholarships that the Shah had provided them and learned about Chrissy and what it means to live in a free society of the sixties and seventies of the US actually as late as nineteen seventy eight US officials are still huge fans a third winter spring nine passion of miniskirts and bell bottom pants and Afros and all of that was happening in Iran and there are cabarets and theaters all around where the the station in an initiative kind of quaintly called atoms for peace basically the US provides research reactors fuel and training and Iran in exchange there was still a vast population that was rural and that hadn't sort of caught on to this train and that was still very traditional in its modes of being past your path no you go to the American University to was still very religious and really begrudge this westernization and their discontent festers under the Shah's increasingly brutal rule what are you from eight on Persian so barometer arrives in Washington and what's your name Caruth Lewis secret police and a peaceful nuclear program it doesn't look so different from vare allies today and the feeling is mutual troubled areas of the world the world it's an oil rich country a key Gulf ally fat with US supplied arms it has a highly sophisticated army had been exiled after speaking out against the Shah but cassette tapes of his sermons go viral short window we'll come and things are really really good it's the seventies the Shah like the same guy is still in power in Iran and being but back in Iran acquire rebellion is brewing the Ayatollah Khomeini an imposing Shiite cleric and a black robe with a white beard Persian and America has its benefits forum notices that some of the other students from the Middle East even lie and say they're from Iran is them one of them why street demonstrations that we see in the late seventies at sort of a collaboration between religious people spoken to by Imams hosted by Harmon and brought to you by tablet magazine NPR X. subscribed to Israel's story on apple podcasts spotify stitcher is that's the popular most attack then people started Roy mobs by dramatic turn in events the royalist staged a coup data do you started you bet and it's not just the Girls Morales tuition room and board books and medical benefits are all paid by the Shah he even has a monthly salary we get the better treatment especially from the girl Oh that's so funny the girls girls liked the Iranian I said I don't know but he gave me this flag this little flag and he was jumping open Don Hawick me Iranian students are lining up to apply for the scholarships to study in the US might teach him what happened what happened did you pass Iraq keever presented all those people there's millions of people who just felt left out oh did they had a boss that his boss had raised you and he brought us on the riotous in action as anti-royalist partisan supporters of the age to Dhaka Masonic visit about their work on this thing the rate the border what happened to the young Shah Muhammad Raza Pahlavi talk to so young free electricity and free water none of these things of course materialized because that is just not how real politics works but in this was someone who spoke to them who spoke about the injustices and living in a just world and promising all kinds of things the old and so what is the region by the late nineteen seventies riots strikes and mass demonstrations against the Shah or gripping on people were determined worried about having books in the House that challenge Islam was boiling what happened to this nation what happened to these people burhams mother to vote that the names on the list they're all supporters of Khomeini when Barack confronts the woman she accuses him of being Israel eventually he's like oh but things just seemed to get worse for the country from there all the signs of the Shah's Westernization are ransacked and burnt down hidden and killed in quite sort of public executions are so my mother throughout all of our books suddenly she's what car she was selling the newspaper who was criticizing the God the Shah's generals and others closely associated with him are arrested Thomas sympathetic to the revolution so he goes back to a Rhonda's support it when he arrives it's just before a local election so he takes his mother's the nearby mosque and I mean the masses of people were there to receive him the the hands that are just reaching toward him just for the chance to be touched by the saint almost thousands gathered around airport where he lands it was the most incredible see nobody could possibly know how many millions lined the route of his when night goes to his parents everybody was up and we were sitting in on around the table cloth and I told my parents this this is the man they call the father of the revolution this is the moment that millions have been waiting for his first words whereas expected for vote and he tells her to let the people know that she doesn't know how to read or write when his mother tells the woman the polling station though the woman takes that list and she mm cinemas liquor stores the teenage give being dragged by F. on the street pavement to the revolutionary spoke unto the point we must cut off the hands of the foreigners were responsible fraught ills like a lot of students nine the hostages men and women were blindfolded and heard it into the embassy's basement that of course changed everything as far as Iran relations were concerned the students wanted meanest so they grabbed me and the daily they raised hell that Armagh Communist are making a problem on the troublemaker and they put me the embassy staff hostage blindfolding them and binding their hands and very soon thereafter parading them in front of cameras for the whole nation to see always America's a friendly plays he finds it folks are willing to help and he even finds a professor who rent him a room for cheap and return for help without jobs twenty mile drive Horon hadn't seen anything like it before for clamber on the Dutch station wagon that carried him dozens were trampled underfoot in the bedlam which at this point feels Marley Com than home absent is former subsidies he's just scraping by but as and when he when he arrives back in Iran I mean the the the mood for Atallah Khomeini's return was euphoric hundreds in one word oil Washington is tremendously concerned about Iran's oil supplies and our need for them and of course concerned about the safety of those Americans still at the embassy that I don't think we can survive here you guys need to be quiet not to do anything? Express blessing of the number of students climbed the embassy walls and they have arms and they're able to get in there and then take deposed shah returned to Iran for trial you know the US embassy was called the den of spies Iranians burned an American flag in front of the embassy they said the takeover had the thank you very much Ted Ted Koppel's voice rings and Americans ears as coverage of the crisis continues and grows US attempt to launch a military rescue or the American hostages in Tehran has been as you have now heard several times aborted eight US servicemen killed in the process it's the birth of nightline and the river and in January nineteen seventy nine the Shah's government collapses he and his family flee and Khomeini Return DC news decides that the best way to compete against the tonight show with Johnny Carson is to update Americans on the latest news from Iran relentlessly for over a year place all of a sudden things hundred eighty degrees changed we are no longer dear onto the street even if it meant facing many of these people expected I they had written will like before when tanks and Folger's the hostage crisis birds so deep into the way we all think of Iran so this became a national nightly consumption which I think played a great role in then the American Embassy in Tehran is in the hands of Muslim students tonight remember the hostage crisis November Fourth Nineteen seventy-nine but it seems doomed iran-contra creates a political firestorm for Reagan away a few years after the hostage crisis and a few years after that America for the long-term harming relations between America and Iran because this was sear deepen the psyche fifty two American diplomats descends were held hostage for four hundred forty four days and for Param back at American University suddenly the US doesn't feel like such nice every night it's a new day America held hostage day five stay ten day of captivity the two hundred and twenty second day of captain the accidentally shoots down in Iranian passenger plane killing all two hundred ninety passengers on board on their way to Mecca if this is a relationship only a few hours after Reagan delivers his inaugural address Oh they want they wanna Ronald Reagan's presidency and they wanNA freedom for fifty two Americans program marches on and starts to look a lot more suspicious especially in the wake of nine eleven states like these and their terrorist allies put the final nail in the coffin of the nineteen eighty election rumors still circulated that Reagan's campaign staff negotiated with the Iranians to make sure that the hostages constitute an axis of evil I mean as the term says evil seeking weapons of mass destruction these regimes pose a grave and growing danger they could provide these arms to terrorists giving them the means to match their hatred about a year later the US invaded does defeat last night that he came to his headquarters hotel in Washington an hour before the polls closed on the West Coast to make his concession speech it just adds fuel to the fire when the three hundred and seventy seventh day of captivity for American hostages in Iran it's the best reality show around it makes a couple of star and it changes DOC it had already invaded Afghanistan falling nine eleven and Iran very plausibly thought that it was next on the list of countries that will up the US and Iran aren't just broken up they're fighting over the kids inflicting all sorts of damage along the way and meanwhile Iran's nuclear today but when President Obama's elected he decides right up front that he's going to try something new and so when Obama took over as president and Asian accuses Iran of developing weapons of mass destruction Iran remains a serious concern because of its across the board pursuit of weapons of mass destruction and missile KP arch two thousand and nine on the occasion of the Iranian New Year of the first day of spring no Ruz today I want to extend my very best wishes abilities Iran denies the accusations but in two thousand and three in the wake of the US invasion of Iraq there's pretty hard evidence that they stop Iran's News Emma I said if you want me to leave I relief he said I really appreciate it. If you make Yukon otherwise known as the father of Pakistan's nuclear weapons program had sold Iran the technology to build a bomb in two thousand two the Bush administered core but the stuff that looks peaceful like it's just for nuclear power he keeps that alive and the program keeps on looking suspicious until all were celebrating no ruz around the world made the speech reaching out to the leadership and people at large and called for a new beginning for nearly three decades relations. The remaining hostages are released historic events move almost on parallel tracks today the new subsequent presidents try halfheartedly

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Season 5 - Episode 19

They Walk Among Us

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Season 5 - Episode 19

"In candy crush saga. We're celebrating the greatest holiday of all national candy day with a gift of unlimited lives for twenty four hours. in fact we're so excited. We're celebrating for three weeks. Starting right now so join us for fun challenges and some sweet sweet rewards in game claim your gift of unlimited lives by playing candy crush saga now download from the app store. Google play or window store for free terms and conditions apply Welcome to season five episode nineteen of the wolf among us a podcast dedicated to uk. True crime this episode contains distressing themes explicit language and descriptions of violence. This podcast is intended for amateur audience. Listen caution is advised When sheila stroud fled the scene with the two accomplices she thought her problems were over she could pay off a mortgage keep her hoses that she loves so dearly and not have to worry about her troublesome ex partner ever again she thought the blaze burning and a court world's beauty spot would bring to an end the continuous arguments of an acrimonious separation. And allow her to bask in the light of a prosperous future in reality. Troubled said only just again saw the icu of this case. Screw several years before the emergency services arrived at the picturesque cliff edge which overlook the valleys of gloucestershire discovered by torch. Light in the dead of night. Two charred bodies were not aside. The paramedics would quickly forget the is leading up to. This event would provide little if any indication as to what someone would do for a sizable fortune to be free of their past. Aw in the nineteen eighties. Sheila stroud either stay cool had been in a happy relationship for many years. The successes in their personal lives the world. Cy matched by the flourishing business. The couple ran together. T nj grain limited supplied new stables across gloucestershire share with animal feet. The couple had never married alphabet personal and business affairs were very much into twined. Cheerless drought was in her early thirties. Iva style her partner or common law husband away often us back then was only a few years older with the funds from that blossoming business. They plan to purchase a bungalow in the village of staunton close to the city of gloucester in the southwest of england from the historic dunk son breathtaking cathedral to the country's most inland port and the lush green fields. That stretch as far as the eye could see. The location could be pulled directly from pice cot surrounded by such beautiful scenery and not far from the hustle and bustle of city. That was seeing a great deal of regeneration ivoirian. Sheila decided to buy the bungalow property called in ireland. What's more the land. Included a small stay land paddock. Was she liquid calf for her hoses. Everything seemed perfect from the outside. The couple could not have wished for more a total fairy tales. Must come to an end. Some sooner than others tracks seo ready started to make themselves none. Someone would reappear in. Sheila's life that would be the spark to ignite this tragic state of a fast and changed the relationship. She had with either. Not for the better mark evans. A friend and former boyfriend of sheila's moved into the property. She shed with either evans in his light. Twenties was a man that had made some poor choices in life. He had several run-ins with the law but was looking for a place to stay will. Though t j grain limited had been a successful business throughout much of the eighties as the decade drew to a close profit started to fall and funds would not as abundant at the bungalow property. So evans offered some money to pay for his lodgings she lasana to the unraveling turmoil was to find solace. How long has it been going on is difficult to say good. One diver would come home unexpectedly to find his partner in the arms of the logic Fossil would to the middle of nineteen ninety-one ivoirian. Sheila had gone their separate ways. Ivo is now a factory work for an engineering company and had found a new partner. Polling location was in higher early forties. He was happy again. And i'll ever wanted to move on with his life and image of the couple which was published soon after the events that would unfold in november nineteen ninety-one pictured them together. I was smiling unaware of the fight to white. It the the bespectacled. Oh i've addressed in a smart suit and tie and be seen putting a loving hand on polling czar. He was no longer a director of the business. He had run with sheila however they had still not fully untangled their financial affairs. He was yet to receive his share of the savings. The former couple had built up together. This included his percentage of the bungalow. Sheila would have to either by route of the high will sell the property to which she had grown quite attached. She didn't want to move off to roll. Where would she keep her horses. Unfortunately for sheila the animal feed business which had been remarkably successful was now failing to turn a profit could barely keep up the mortgage payments on the heim. That's aligned boy. Foam upon his share of the property. Early that some sheila had agreed that she would pile a twenty thousand pounds for his portion of the bungalow. And the adjoining land. Where was she going to find the money. She was stuck between a rock and a hard place and his awesome was drawing to a close. The was asking where his money was. The acrimonious separation wasn't making life easy but rather than simply let go of the lifestyle to which she had grown accustomed to found an alternative solution to her problems through the television. Most specifically film cooled fighting matt released in nineteen seventy six and directed by jonathan. Demme it would go onto win academy award for directing the silence of the lambs. The film includes a scene in which a couple. Our assaulted force-fed fed alcohol and put in a car which is driven off a cliff edge into a quarry lives lost to the flames in the film. The mud is a labeled an accident by the authorities and the coal pits. Who are off to the family's land under the assumption that their plan has worked how they did account for the protagonist twos brother and sister-in-law rumored he seeks revenge riding a motorbike with a baby. He tracks down the men responsible and ends their lives armed with cross by broadcast on sky. Television it was alleged fighting mad inspire at the planned demise of either stay and his new partner polling location. Sheila was of the understanding she would gain access to a financial windfall. The five died as they taken out to joint insurance policy which would pay out so much one hundred fifty thousand pounds. If one of them were dead. Their relationship had broken down. She was confident. The policy was still active. She saw was a thorn in which needed to be removed and fast also coincidentally they knew that polling location was learning to drive if the couple were to perhaps crushed their car and die in a tragic accident. The police would likely think it was pulling poor. Driving skills that led to their untimely in like in the film fighting mad g began to envisage the couple veering off a cliff and dying in the fiery wreckage below. She wasn't the only one watching the film. During that early november. It would be willing to do whatever it took to get their hands on a substantial amount of money to sheila had sat in front of the flickering television screen with mock heavens discussing the practicalities going about tending the lives of two people. I wondered what they would do next to go about enacting. Their plan evans knew someone who could help them. And with a portion of the insurance payout that he thousand pounds to be exact. They swept by the sevices of norman white in his lights went wanted. Being employed by evans as a leiper was now out of work and looking to make a quick buck at any cost now. They had the manpower by planned where they could take the couple. They knew just the spot. The isolated location barrow wake just north of the village of bird. Lip was around twenty miles southeast in the council. Tell you look the valleys of gloucestershire. Rabin's several car accidents in the area where drivers lost control of their vehicles. One cliff edge is almost two hundred feet. Battalion tile could the gang of duct oliver and polling i decided the my straightforward way was to invite the my for to the bungalow under the pretense that sheila would make good on her promise to buy. I've around he would need to be there to finalize the pipe work in pass something that would prove too complicated to do over the fine. It was already insisting to sheila. The contract was needed to ensure that his chef of the bungalow would be paid by january nineteen ninety-two otherwise the property would have to be celled with a without sheila's approval. She was hyping. I z guinness to cut the ties from his old life. So he could build a new one would be the very thing. Sheila could use to lure him to his death throughout the nineteen ninety one. I've estate cool. Had an uneasy feeling. He felt he was being watched. Someone driving a white. Bmw paid to be following him wherever he went so fearing for his safety. He reported the sighting to the police. The separation was playing on his mind when he received the news. That sheila wanted to meet to discuss the finalization of the payment for the bangala which was see the last connection. He had to sheila seven. This would allow him to move on with his life. And start a new chapter with pauline on the evening of november fourteenth nineteen ninety-one. Two weeks off to sheila had watched the film the witting spy. The horrific traveled to the air balloon public housing bud lip where he met sheila. His new partner polling had been at the wheel of her vokes viva labeled with learner plates. She had been under the instruction of they met. Sheila stroud sometime around nine fifteen pm. Sheila suggested they should return to the bungalow so they could discuss matters in more detail in pauline greet unaware of what would happen next when they arrived. Chiller offered the couple a cup of tea. She planned to lies the particulars of the pipe work. Sheila put down the drinks. A man dressed in a wet suit and hood burst into the room ding knife. He began a brutal assault on the unsuspecting couple. Neither ivory pauline had any idea he. The man was but he was joined by mark. Heavens amana even knew only too well. The blows rain down on iva and he was thrown to the ground. Polling jump was pulled over her head does she was kicked and dragged into a separate room sheet appeared with a rope and a horse. Bridle the assailants. Use these items to restrain their victims. This will teach you to shit on me. Sheila who set as noman whites foot was holding. I've as head to the floor. You could hear polling screaming hysterically through the wolves at the house however in polling who were by now bloodied and bruised carrot outside and thrown into the back of sheila's pickup truck where they were a strain so they couldn't escape unable to move. They've been heard the engine a second call whose poulains. Sheila was driving the pickup truck with norman white in the passenger seat. Mock heavens followed behind in poulains vauxhall viva in the dead of night. They were to be driven to a spot. Where the tree. I plan to kill them on. The y journey was interrupted several times. Noman white would periodically get out and check on the captives on one occasion. They stopped to get some petrol. This fuel for the car pro when they arrived at bernardi awake the abduct has made sure it was deserted before polling in iowa from the pickup truck and set upon could see the distance city lights of gloucester and they knew no one was coming to their right. There was left with a fractured skull. Often he was struck with a hydraulic jack. Poland was also hit on the head with a stick now if she could not tell which of the three attack is swung the object. I've heard mark heavens threatened to later. Iva who appeared to be unconscious lifted pan shoved into the passenger seat to the vauxhall viva polling who still semi conscious and dazed was forced into the driver's side as she pleaded full her life. The smell of petrol-filled nostrils the inside of the car had been covered in the liquid much. Like the outside fronted vehicle was saturated in accelerate and the folks who was positioned close to a cliff edge. Sheila's pickup truck was parked directly behind it. The engine of the pickup roared into life. Sheila stroud watched as mark heaven shouted and threw a lit match towards the vauxhall due to the copious amount of petrol. A simple spark would have been enough but as the late match found its target. The car burst into flames. Not even seconds would pass before the vauxhall began to inch forward without. Its engine hadn't been turned on. They was being shunted forward with either in pulling trapped inside the pickup truck at the rear of the volkswagen was propelling it forward. The five fold quickly began to pick up speed. As it traversed steep grassi sleep. It would only need to travel thirty yards before it reached a shop to rock in the darkness white evans and strahl were mesmerized by the flames is the folks who will plunge towards the grant crashing past several dodge rocks and boulders. Eating the verge belie before stopping upside down as the fire took hold engulfing everything in its path coming to their senses. The trio quickly scrambled back to the pickup truck and fled celebrating on the journey. Back to gloucester. Sheila strau dropped off. Norman white and mark heavens then wiped down the fingerprints from the vic. The canopy of the pickup truck covid in a huge amount of forensic evidence is disposed of and efforts were made to disguise the damage to the front the pickup truck. Now all the gang had to do was wait for the insurance payout under the belief the tool that troubles would be item truly before five am visitors. The bungalow came sooner than sheila. Stroud was expecting now ever. It was not someone to tell her about the death of high rex. Pau narran how she was ju- a financial windfall. Was the police with the news. The thai asto called was not dead was earlier. I cry of flame. Hug came from mock heavens echoing through the night as soon as the vokes vivere at being set alight it was pushed towards the cliff with ever and poor lanes still inside the vehicle was engulfed in flames as they felt the rear of the car being shunted forward by sheila's pickup truck as the volks began to tumble to its final destination. Searing heat from the flames had been diver and poolings clothing to the skin. The head was singed on the dashboard of the car huddled but melted for the vehicle finally came to a stop on his roof. Either slim built former rugby player. Who was six feet. Tall won't still conscious managed to loosen his bonds. That was securing his hand. The heated likely played upon as the culprits. Had not moved the driver's seat. For which paul lane would have done if she was driving. This allowed over the space to point his feet towards the driver's side door over poulains lap in agony from his injuries as he covered his eyes from the white hot flames attempted to kick open the door but it not budge. You try again with the same result during a third and final effort. He kicked with all his might and the door swung open in less than a second. Pauline fell out of the driver's side door. I've earl say managed to quickly climb out to the passenger's side but neither of them were aware of what was going on. Or if that partner had survived by passages it managed to free themselves from the burning wreckage of the speeding vehicle and cruel to safety as the cough finally stopped upside down where it continued to burn brightly in the peach. Black knowing what happened next was nothing more than a coincidence. The light of the fi just so happened to attract the attention of two passes by. He thought the fireball might be a ufo. As the cop went to investigate traversing the rocky terrain they source silhouette in the darkness. It was certainly now alien by that much but in the dark of night could not tell who it was. a features were almost unrecognizable. The woman's tool side a hands anton neck was scorched beyond comprehension. The facial features lost in a haze of shod black ash. The bystanders scrambled to raise the allom. As offices from the gloucestershire constabulary arrived at the scene with paramedics and the fire service. I saw the upturn vehicle. The binding wreckage illuminated. The beauty spaw known as barrow wake aid was given to polling. A clothing was burned to her skin. A face was black and bloody and her hair had been lost to the flames. She was shaking uncontrollably. It was only when she spoke. That offices realized she was female. Polin was pleading for help. Spotlights began to cut through the darkness searching derive. It wasn't long before they found him the leather reins on horse bridle used to restrain him with scorch his skin. He was gasping for breath with a rope. Still around his neck but was left of his burning clothing was smoking. Areas of his body will almost charred to the bone. he tried to shout. Help me were virtually unrecognizable. His lungs have been said by the hot air that he was forced to breathe as he tried to. Free himself. unaware that pauline had already been found. I've told officers. That teeth thought she was mad Intensive care unit and cheltenham general hospital doctors four to keep patients alive but they were concerned juicer. The horrific deal for both of them had endured. No one knew if they were going to make it was given a one in ten chance of pulling through but he did including the damage to his lungs. My stifle suffered thirty percent chance to his body and head is partner. Pauline fed worse locked an arm with burns covering forty percent. Fat body skin on her scalp was all but destroyed. They were alive our the couple would face. Years of painful reconstructive surgery ever in. Pauline were kept in the hospital for several months before being discharged back at the scene of the attempt on their lives pulled. Leyshon diver stoeckel relive the moments when they thought they would die after they were tied up in shunted over two hundred foot cliff in a burning car. A five bolt police said it really was a miracle they survived both suffered terrible burns which will leave permanent scars when i was also in the early morning of november fifteenth nineteen ninety-one police arrived lead. Bree road cresent in staunton. to arrest. Mock happens is punished. Sheila stroud was taken into custody and our lights drought in evans. A paid before cheltenham magistrates. Only a few days off to the full mud applause. Noman white would be arrested after he voluntarily handed himself in. it's a police station under the instruction of his solicitor. The tree i would slowly turn on each other who they the varying and detailed accounts of that nine time the lead up to it would finally be hud in front of the jury to crown court when the defendants were each charged with multiple counts of attempted mud. One for mom and one for me. Hey beautiful ulta beauty invites you to see the joy this holiday season with top gifts for everyone on your list including you discover the latest holiday launch like i shadow palettes from to face. Eyeliner kids from kvm beauty and skin care sets from tula shop in store online or trey curbside picked up today also beauty. The possibilities are beautiful in candy crush saga. We're celebrating the greatest holiday of all national candy day with a gift of unlimited lives for twenty four hours. in fact we're so excited. We're celebrating for three weeks. 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Set up november nineteen ninety-one still act to after rival admit pudding and he left the bungalow in july nineteen ninety-one and he was initially told by sheila that she would be buying him out. Although the money never materialized a one point the life insurance policy did cover the mortgage on the bungalow west. Stroud was the original beneficiary. Will they unknown to her. She had ceased to be the intended recipient of the policy payment as a result of is instructions in october. Nineteen ninety one month before an attempt was made on his life only transported from the courtroom in a white coach to the spot. Where the vokes. Vivo was found. Jerry descended the steep. Grassi verge. The crime scene was reconstructed with cop positioned in the same location. It would have been before it was pushed over the cliff edge type was placed on the ground mocking the direction. The car traveled before it burst into flames. The judge accompanied the twelve members of the jury in each of the defendants observed the spectacle for around an hour off from set. Pretax is under police escort. The jury ruled say played around. Twenty minutes of the film. Fighting man was alleged. Inspired the defendants to take the action. They did sheila stroud and mock heavens had seen the film while they were visiting. Some friends who live nearby by the victims. Took stand ivor in pauline. Still bowl heavy scarring which would remain with them for the rest of their lives. They were receiving treatment for that buns at frenchay hospital near bristow process that was clearly excruciatingly painful. The couple's spoke about their ordeal and how they managed to escape from the car. Pulling and told the court are told not to do it on my bended knees forced me into the car and go per side me. He stank of petro four. Beatty jumped out the next thing. I knew the car was in flames. I'm going over. A cliff was screaming hysterically. And i was kicking the door trying to open it when he tell you and i somehow rolled out was burning and rolled in the grass to dampen the flames down. The pain was so fierce was numb. Either stay cool. He was wearing protective clothing over his numerous skin. Grafts chad the core. The mary at scarves that covid his arms spike could the cries. He heard from polling at the time he played dead after being struck violently on the head. He said the dual was then slammed. Shut and i realized polling was being put in the driver's side. I said don't worry love. They aren't going to kill us new. The best way was to keep calm was a slight. Anita was a helluva drop at the end. That was what was going to happen to us. Continue to speak. His voice broke a whooshing noise and she screamed. The call was engulfed. The windows were closed a smell plastic burning and put my hands to my face was gritting my teeth and screaming. My head off pulling was doing the same. I knew i had to get a route. I shall never forget it as long as i live. Mark added flame hub in the vokes. Livestock had swung round and kick to the driver's side door several times soon as they tell you. Pauline fell out of the car on either managed to escape as the blaze in the interior of the vehicle. Continue to burn brightly as it crashed down the cliff edge sequence of events played out over no more than ten seconds shih-ming his partner had died from her injuries. The heat behind a wool worried. Sheila stroud onto two accomplices. Might return mark. Heavens would have an opportunity to put forward his side of the story in his first interview with police. Following his arrest evans told the actives that he was not involved. In fact he was asleep when the incident was said to have occurred. It was not until a subsequent interview the fifth to be precise. He admitted that he knew of sheila's plans. Recording of which was planned to the jiri evans claimed that sheila was as he and disgusted. Eight having problems with. I've regarding the separation so on november fourteenth alone with she'll evans picked up. Newman whites who was going to threaten is verbally evans alleged. The went over and polling arrived at the bungalow white produced. A knife found attack. The defendant was insisting that he had no knowledge a weapon would be used. He attack was not meant to be physical. When taking the stand evans told the court that he was scared and felt he could not intervene. As stoeckle and polling location were attacked bound. Done subsequently laugh with grievous injuries that covered third of their bodies at one point. Heavens was instructed by his. Defendant norman white to help tie up polling and daiva. He said he did not do what he was told. It climbed never meant to cause them. Any home evans did admit that they stopped for petrol but he said he did not know what it was full again. He claimed this was under the instruction of norman white evans alleged that even try to loosen the ropes bound around polling latian in his version of the events evans said the he did not flame ho bus instead flow that was his way of indicating to stroud and white that he did not want to be left behind. You also argue that. He didn't say blade her when they were back at the bungalow before the fire. But kaka evans said this was a word used by travellers and meant not ooh mall. Kevin sheet stroud took the standard also blamed norman white for the abduction and attempted murders during how i interview with. The police stroud said that on november fourteenth. She left the bungalow alone around eleven pm and traveled to her sister's after detectives pressed for more details in a second interview. Stroud pain that she was not at the balloon pob and nobody. She knew attacked either. Her ex partner arriva polling location. Like heaven's after she conferred with us solicitor. Stroud story changed now. It was newman white. Who was the person responsible. Trout climbed it was no silje. Pauline annoyed that were terrified at the end of the knife held by white but along with her partner mark. Heavens she too was terrorized. According to stroud it was white. Who forced them to carry out the plans. She said he was a drug dealer. Hoods scatter into driving a pickup truck to the beauty spot. Wherever in poor lane were almost killed. She claimed to be overruled. Stuck in the middle of what was going on. Stroud was insisting that she was not a willing participant in the events that saw either and polling needing surgery. A recording of stroud interview made only a few days after the incident at cheltenham police station on november eighteenth was played to the jury it lasted for almost an hour. Noman was ruling mind marks lives. She said was petrified. A ton but no harm was ever meant to come to either and polling. Sheila stroud gay for. She claimed that she did not know that was any such insurance policy on. I've is live also stood firm that she had never seen the film fighting matt. I she was now admitting that she had met office. Doklam polling location at the appalachian pop. The reason why they return to the bungalow was that she had forgotten some of her paperwork. It had nothing to do with a plot to have the two of the mud. Stroud said that gnome unwanted being the address earlier however she thought he had left according to stroud she was just as surprised as them when he bust into the room with a knife she kinda she shouted at why not to hurt them and she most certainly did not say this will teach you to shit on me. Still stroud could not explain how. Norman white restrained both victims on his arm but it was according to strout whites. Stewing stroud did admit to wiping down the vehicle after the attempt was made on the lives of the victims. She was adamant she did not bear any strong feelings. To end their life was however some evidence to the contrary in the form of a night which was penned. By sheila drought commit reference to wanting to end her own life and a written threat was made toy. The stunt the night listed the precise dates on which the prosecution's evidence indicated that norman white had. I been approached as possible hitman. Interestingly through the court case it was revealed that stroud had lent newman white. How white bmw. A cost similar to the one that i've stoke who claimed had been following him. Prior to the incident noman white would like to climb that stroud had bought the vehicle forum noman white admitted that yes he had dealt drugs and had previously sell some to mark evans. The last time he was with his co-defendants was the night before. The crime took place white flat out denied his involvement and told police that he's had nothing to do with him white climbed. He had been drinking and smoking cannabis at his cousins. You woke in front of the television during the elliot's so he could not have been one of the people responsible from the stand. White told the court that he had been asked by sheila stroud on mark heavens to attack ever before subsequent request was made to end of his life admitted that he had agreed to a cell. I've asto stoeckel for a few hundred pounds. When the discussions began concerning mud of for a considerable amount of money white claim that he refused the victims said. The sheila stroud on mock heavens were involved in the attack. The man holding the knife was wearing a hood. The jerry bristol. Crown court also heard about norman whites criminal convictions. It spent time in prison for assault five tons in all which were predominantly committed against his girlfriend once pondered asked him why he had seen stroud in evans so frequently the heim they shed on cromwell street in gloucester street was also hi. I'm to fred and rose west. Were arrested for that crimes in nineteen ninety four the year after this trial white told his girlfriend that while he had been asked to kill. I've asto kolin pauline latian. You did not want to be involved. Ooh at the end of march nineteen ninety-three. The jury arrived at a verdict on the charges for each of the defendants. It took three hours to reach a unanimous decision. They each charge today. The jury sheila strive on her lover of mark evans guilty of attempted murder along with the hitman. They hide northern white. They'd hoped to collective big insurance on either stoker's life. The mental scars have almost healed. Both those still require months even years of hospital treatment for the burns inflicted in what the judge described as is truly horrific crime in pauline held each other when they had the verdicts had sat watching the proceedings from pact kabwe gallery during sentencing. The judge mr justice swinton. Thomas described to the court that it was sheila stroud. He was the mastermind behind the crime with a pond. His friend norman. White acting as the hitman and mock heavens as the muscle h was culpable. As the mr justice. Swinton thomas considered a life sentence for each of the defendants telling them. It was tempting given their actions however he ruled by would be facing at least eighteen years behind baas before they could be considered for release on licence. I received eighteen years for each count of attempted mud would have bice concurrently. The judge told the tria you'll crime is higher echelon of wickedness and they court. We have not had one word of remorse for many of you. The what you did. That night seemed uninterested in the verdict is the judge highlighted the lack of contrition they had shown throughout the trial outside the court. Following the verdict. Iva stay kolin. Polling location feed describing to reported the bitterness. She felt about what had happened and feelings towards the people responsible polling set. Maybe they'll look to wipe. Did they have still got a certain amount of freedom. We have no freedom because we are in pain everyday along with pauline painful injuries to continue to wear a wig or a head scarf to cover some of the scars that would never fully heal in addition to his excruciating wounds. When i was struck on the head he lost the hearing in one of his aides and suffered from vertigo. The grim reminders of what had happened that night. Shaving was oh my staff to the questions. It was so painful and simply trying to hold a razor was problematic. They'd actually not me on the back of the head. It's not me. And i just thought the time the best thing to do is to play that your teeth. And you're actually just screaming because of the pain and then then that your whole body goes into shock and the pain ceases if i had a gun in mouth shot. Try away. I sorta bitta type either. Did not seek. Revenge was of the opinion that the time the perpetrators had to spend in prison would be was than any retribution. He could enact searching for silver lining in such a horrific crime. I've ever explained that was an unexpected side. Effect became with the assault. He must have been the bang on the head. One of them gave me before pushing me into the car. I used to be short sighted. But now i don't need to colossus. Pauline said the couple intended to marry into a fairytale. Now you've got the people and know that we're still together. I really thought this was beer. Off the trial polling in an office tikal became husband and wife while they needed extensive plastic surgery and would never be able to work again. They focused on their recovery and built a new life together. Ben jeanine drita to it operated on both for and polling gave coleen away. It's a private ceremony in close shit. Ooh so where are we now following their convictions. She stroud and mall. Kevin sought leave to appeal against both the outcome of the trial and the length of their sentences between the end of march nineteen ninety-three and beginning of october nineteen ninety-four. They argued that case. All the way to the court of appeal cancelled amal. Kevin suggested that the judge misdirected the jury it was claimed using the word perhaps the jury may have misunderstood the judge which subsequently could have led them to believe. There was a different argument to the one. The defense counsel had presented say counsel for sheila stroud highlighted. That's at no point. Do any physical harm to either iva. Staccato or polling. Location is was something. The couple had conceded on. That night is far as they knew. Stroud did not participate when they were being attacked was a reference. The judge's summary of the case how stroud had withdrawn from violence. It was contested that the verdict was unsafe. No justice rose. Mr justice morland and mrs justice. Steel reviewed the arguments consigning. Mock heavens claims that the judge was misleading in his summation of the case. The appeal judges read the summary word. For word i found it was clear that any use of the word perhaps was in reference to a submission made by the defense counsel in which it was postulated that there was a conspiracy between sheila's stroud norman white which did not involve evans. The members of the coal believed that the judge could not be faulted in any way. When dealing with the matter evans argument that the verdict was unsafe was rejected and his appeal was dismissed as for sheila strout. The three appeal court judges acknowledged stroud did not physically assault either of the two victims. However that said their findings did prove that was a solid foundation on which the jurors could decide that she readily partook in the attempted murder of two people. Quite it was she who would arrange the meeting at the abilene for discussions which as it appears never took place. It was she who took the victims the considerable distance from the evelyn. Back to the bungalow. Where white was lang in white for them. It was she who if the jury accepted the evidence at a time when stoeckel was pinned to the ground by white said this will teach you to shit on me whatsoever. Exculpatory evidence still cool. Gave in relation to sheila strout. He was wholly unshaken on his recollection. That that's had been sent. It was she who drive the pickup truck with the two victims. Trust up in the back and when white the man of fame she said she was terrified and on more than one occasion during the course of the journey. Calm down to the passenger seats and went around the back. She wanted behind the wheel and in control of that vehicle until once more he conned into the vehicle and they continued their journey. She was present throughout the horrific events at barrow. Wake and having seen them. She drove widen evans away and having done so cleaned the vehicle to remove wants fingerprints like mark heaven stroud would also not be granted leave to appeal against a conviction in regards to the pollen sentences nor justice. Rose mr justice morland and mrs justice deal felt the wall. The participants undertook different roles. In the events of that night stroud evans. Each played their part along with norman. White based on the evidence wall white carried out the majority of the physical attacks to the victims evans. How bind them and carry them to the pickup truck. He also punches. The petro sheila stroud was the instigator and the organizer was ruled. The judge did not say when he made his decision was well within his rights to conclude that no distinction should be made between the three responsible for the horrifying events. The appeal against the sentences for both stroud and evans was denied. The whereabouts of the three individuals found guilty of attempted murder. Sheila stroud mark heavens and noman white is not currently public knowledge however enough time has passed for them to have served the minimum sentence and be released walking the streets among thank you for listening special thanks to a new patriarch produce clan and everyone who supports us on patriot. The more information on this episode. Please see the show notes or visit our website. They walk among us. Podcast dot com in candy crush saga. We're celebrating the greatest holiday of all national candy day with a gift of unlimited lives for twenty four hours. in fact we're so excited. We're celebrating for three weeks. Starting right now so join us for fun challenges and some sweet sweet rewards in game claim your gift of unlimited lives by playing candy crush saga now. Download it from the app store. 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Dirt Work and Excavation: Brian Reynolds

Essential Craftsman Podcast

1:10:19 hr | 5 months ago

Dirt Work and Excavation: Brian Reynolds

"Welcome to the essential craftsman podcast. I'm nate. We have got a great discussion for you today. With my dad and with brian reynolds. Now you know brian. He is a familiar face. He helped us with the dirt. Work and excavation on her spec house you have seen him show up while we're finishing concrete from time to time he is the real deal. There's just something about these farm boys who grow up operating equipment and working hard. They are just the ultimate problem solver. Positive hard working salt of the earth types and that. That's brian to a t. I didn't know brian real well before this interview. But i'm a believer now. So i hope you enjoy this. We talk about dirt work and excavation. We talk about equipment. We talk about how. Brian came to own his His excavation company the time he spent working for a concrete contractor and a little bit about his background in education and overall. I think you'll really enjoy it. Thanks for joining us. Let's get to it first off. Thanks for coming on our show. And my first question brian. I think i could say that. Little boys middle schoolers highschoolers guys like me old man all could a lot of them are going to think you have a dream job of digging holes with huge pieces of equipment and i know it's not nothing is as it seems but do you see that at all or is it is it to is just at this point it is a. It's fun to play on equipment. I mean get on a dozer and push dirt who who wouldn't love that It's like this is like playing in the sandbox. Yeah i was hoping you're going to say it was miserable cause i really jealous about a miserable day. Oh kansas days is in a ditch yesterday putting in conduit and it was pouring down rain. And i was covered in mud. And yeah not so glorious. Yeah but you know other days were better something about pushing dirt or digging a hole. I mean we're playing on my kids play on a dirt pile in the backyard for half the day. Just digging dirt is something fun about it. What is it. i don't know what it is. It's just fun something fun about it. Yeah there's an element of risk element of just tear terron stuff apart and still an element of building things. It's pretty neat. Did you get more satisfaction out of running a big machine where you're digging and moving more dirt versus a little one or is it sort of the same type of feeling or what's the difference. Certainly a bigger machine smaller machines. You're doing something. Maybe a little more technical in tight spaces trying to dig around some existing utilities or pipes or whatever We are on a big machine in a rural area where there's nothing to hit. You can just hog dirt now. That's that's fun. yeah but a little machine. There's anxiety all the time. Every move has got an element of holy smokes. I don't wanna break nothing. And i'm not sure what's there. And and and yeah. That's gotta be cool with the monster machine and clear sailing sir and you know my machines are monstrous by your excavation standards. But to me the most i have you know thirty thousand pound machines my largest machine nice not big but so. Let's translate that for people who might be tuned in thirty thousand. Pounds is the weight of the machine sitting on the ground and that ranges. down to what you've got a little machine. What six thousand six thousand. Yeah so that. That's a that's one way that people talk about the size of a machine like like like a ways. What probably ninety thousand pounds or or something like that. I'm pulling that number out of the air. But they get big and big and heavy and they're they're exponentially more powerful as weight goes up right. Yeah and they can move more dirt. What about your operator. The the guys who've been they've been doing this day in day out for decades is. Are they still enjoying it. And you can kind of see them like having a good time when they're moving dirt. I think so i think You know dexter works for me. And he's done this for years and he's way more experienced and qualified than i am to run a machine but he enjoys it. I think he's Stack in a boulder wall or something. That's stressful for so. Yeah after about eight hours of that. He's ready to just way and be done with it. Yeah and he came from logging right. I mean a lot of guys around here. Come from the logging industry which tapered off thirty years ago and then stepped over and excavation. 'cause it's really similar equipment for started out chokers. I think so. Yeah i asked a similar question to mitch in arizona. A guy who did some dirt work for me and he said oh yeah. It's fun unless you're on like a loader or something and that's just pretty mindless and that was new information to me. Basically if you're just like scoop and dirt dropping in a truck the how rep Repetitive motion might be at least a him. He was like that seems boring to me. It still seemed like a massive scoop. You're still kind of digging but the smell diesel smoke yes. Some tasks can be monotonous. We're just moving dirt from point a to point b but there's still a certain amount of enjoyment to yeah and most of the time. It's not just that they don't usually another dimension or two in there. My favorite thing to do is sculpting property. You know like you're back filling a house is you know. Is there to tell me where to put the dirt. I know how much dirt have to get rid of that was developed during the excavation right in the initial part of the build and i need to make all this dirt disappear and make it look nice. That's my favorite part. And what do you do that with. That good skits. Something track a steer tracks. Yeah yeah that that little makuuchi moves a hundred miles. An hour man thing moves. I love that machine is a it moves a lot of dirt's so it was probably it was probably twenty years ago. I rented i don't know how long ago it was at the track. Machines put specifically takeuchi started showing up. United rentals tammy. Morris had one rent and i had a job and always before that i just read. Bob cats rubber tires and i rented that track machine and it. Just it's it's like it's magnetized to the ground. It doesn't get off the ground and bounce around michael's rubber tires. Do what a difference huge difference and you can. You can work through the winner. Oh sure the rain doesn't matter does floats out on has the flotation and the traction and you can get around great in the mud and it pushes harder. Push push harder It doesn't bounce. Yeah when you're driving it. Never flat tire never flat well. So we're we're talking about skid steers of bob cat the kind that have like the tank style tracks or versus wheels. So what's what's the downside to the tracks then. Well you can't really use them on the pavement. They don't turn well what eats them up in. Tears destroys them plus. They don't really turn very well a lot of rubber on the ground right so that one. That's that's most. It just won't twist it doesn't twist on how to spray the asphalt down with some water slides a little better but on dirt is just no comparison. Well so maybe maybe this answers my next question. And i asked andrew cammarata this but a skid steer it's to me seems like the most versatile piece of equipment available But attractor is right there next to it. They're just also so different and yet they there's a lot of overlap. So if you had to pick one as like the better multi platform tool which would you pick. I know which i would pick a. I would pick a track loader panics cans down because you mean an excavator track loader or skid steer skittered yeah because you can buy a mower forum a bucket. Yeah forks. I mean there. There're civil brush augur and a lot of these smaller tractors. They're not designed to move dirt. They're designed to pull and move like light buckets of bark mulch or things like that but to build. Move lots of dirt. There'd these geezers are designed to do that interesting. See you ask the question. And i thinking i could carp thinking somebody who's not an excavator. I just thought you were going to turn over the apple cart here and say neither would pick an excavator. I would want to crack mounted back home. Man was just such a wonderful machine. Just there there magic magic thing man. So these mini excavators. I say mini. But it's there's also larger ones that are all the same tool. it's it's small the large i've learned. Recently they are not an ancient tool you know maybe like what twenty or thirty years ago is when they started showing up at least smaller like that. Oh little ones yeah. I guess a little ones i'm talking about. I guess when. I was a kid i saw backhoes everywhere and everybody backhoes and every trench getting doug it was a backhoe doing it and now i don't know i just never feel like i never see backhoes. I'm not an expert in this. But i'm pretty sure. The first excavators were all large big big and then gradually got smaller as they went along. Yeah so i'm i'm thinking about. I know about the year two thousand and by the time you went to germany i. Was you know here doing my small contractor thing and i thought about buying a little excavator because they were showing up and putting it on a trailer behind my truck and kind of switching over to just running small excavators so that was when i was beginning to see them and think about their versatility and and so i. I don't know probably in around around two thousand nine hundred ninety nine nineteen ninety eight. The little ones started showing up all over. I don't know i'm guessing so. Tell us brian about how you go about your bottle. You bought a lot of equipment New us everything. In between. I don't know how much of it you sold. And if you kind of go through it or turn it over but tell us about your thought process when you're going about buying a new machine and kinda how how you get that done. I'm different than a lot of people. I don't like to finance requirements. If i want to buy something i wanna pay for it Unless we i am so everything. I've bought up till this year has been used to buy an auction or bought it from somebody. I knew the had one wanted to get rid of piece of machinery or your network but this year. I bought a new excavator here just about a month ago. New new new new brand new like our one hour and a half on it or something like that. Wow it's hard for me to do but it made sense. I needed it. And i put a large down payment on it so timing because you needed it kinda right away or how did it make sense to you. I don't know that you work with your account and when you do that made the most sense to to finance part of it. That's what we did. Yeah what's that like having a new one versus the old brand spanking new. What's that like. Well it makes you think a little bit differently when you look at the our meter man. We've only had this long and already got this many hours on it but you know the paints were off. The newness is worn off. Has got muddle over it so when you're greasing at deal shed a tear once in a while it's not brand new little bit yeah So the equipment okay with cars. You can kind of tell when they've been taken care of 'cause they're clean. I usually but equipment even when it's brand new has been on one job. It's filthy and dirty so buying used equipment. Seems riskier than buying used cars in that way. 'cause they can really be abused. But you've bought a lot of used equipment. So what's your how do you go about that. Is it just about our meter and cross all your fingers. You look at the our meter. And it's a gamble. I mean you lose a drive motor on a excavator. that's an expensive cost or hydraulic pump. What was it drive motor. Dad's just like the motor that turns the wheels or the. Yes what drives tracks its hydraulics. Hydrology hydraulic motor. That runs off. The giant hydraulic pump runs. The whole world i. What are those. I mean those are probably at eight thousand dollar item on a big machine. I think they're more than that. Oh one for my Small excavator was about five grand. Five grand on a little a little and it was a little larger. they're expensive. Wow so you lose one of those but but realistically what else do you walk a machine. You started up your on. what are you looking for. Oh wait you get in you run it and you feel it you know if you can tell if it feels really loose this maybe been abused or give some meaning to lose some of these. Some of these folks don't know what loose means. What do you mean by loose when you run the run. The bucket you can feel if there's slop land and bam bam if you rotate the machine and it you stop but it keeps going ways. That's loose some parts. That the get worn out that way. So some of the equipment i got bought from the guy used to work for denny potter danny. All the time. Oh bruce you brought stuff from a reuss. Yeah i by two pieces from him here you go and their machines that i had previously and i knew what they were hours out how they were maintained And so i knew on both of those that they were a a sound purchase to make. I did buy an excavator at auction from ritchie brothers and that was just a huge gamble held echo scary for time. I bought one at an auction. Yeah go in person to person there. I was able to run the machine out in the yard really and check it out and did you get auction fever and just like getting. You knew you're going to get into matter. What or auctions move pretty fast. Yeah they they. They sell equipment so fast. And so you know starts off. The bids were coming in pretty quick and once they slow down you better through your hand in the air or it's gonna be sold done so i threw my hand there one time and that was it and you had owned it. Wow and my brother was with me. And i looked at him and said i just by that is that mine. Oh so do you got for less than what you would have been willing to spend on it. In other words it turned out to be a good deal. Yeah yeah it turned out to be a fair price and it's been a good machine. Yeah wow how big is that. I went to a ritchie brothers auction in phoenix and it was nuts like a stadium. There's they're literally like stadium seating. Well it felt like they could have had a you know a concert. There sort of it was amazing and then basically the car vehicles are the equipment like drives across the stage. Kind of and all the people in the chairs and it's it was it was unreal. And i don't know if that was an especially big venue or or you know facility or what. What was the one like. that's how they are. Mike went to it was up in wash. Yeah same thing you sit you sit in this like an auditorium and the quick drives by on a stage yeah. All the equipment is drivable rail and then then there's another room that's next to it. Yes and they have the virtual auction they out so cranes and excavators equipment that they can't really drive across the ramp. They just show a picture of it. And you're bidding on the pitcher so they just drive across two. They operate the features of the machine or they just drive it a courageous driving across you know they'll they'll lineup six off road dump trucks across on the stage and whoever gets the bid you can pick which ones you want. O'neill all of them view on number one and number three in yours and then they let the next person second excellence and or they'll start overbidding again. No kidding no they have you know great concession stands. Yeah it's just. It's a fun place to go. People travel and go to those auctions just as activities. I met some people. they're like. Oh yeah we the vacation they not. They don't follow the auction but they will visit the auction as if it was like a you know a sightseeing kind of thing and i can see why it was like a festival there all right so you're going to buy a little diesel a diesel piece of equipment. You get into started up. You're looking at smoke. You don't wanna see any white smoke. Come out of the stack you you go around check to see. If the fittings have been greece near as you can tell you look at the roles and the undercarriage and see if there's anything left on the rails on the tracks and all that kind of standard stuff anything else. What else do you look at that. That's a big thing especially with excavators or does irs. You wanna look at the undercarriage. Because that's all it's all metal metal where parts There's no really way to lubricate that or greece or anything and so it. It wears out and that was her. That's a large cost to Replace and it's a certain cost. You can put it off but sooner or later. Somebody's got to replace that stuff. So you can just see like the connections. That's that has worn back in that. You can just kind of say liquid rocket and the brackets and half gone yet. The teeth get shorter and shorter and shorter and shorter. And the scoops in between get deeper and deeper and yeah and and the the rails on the tracks are just sliding like you said they're sliding and so they will just they'll get thinner instead of the rail being you know three quarters of an inch or whatever it was it factory and answer an inch and a half on a big machine is just gets thinner and thinner and just gotta be replaced as metal metal and then you add some mud in there and gravel and just out So last last question on equipment will move on. Do you have your yet. Any like needs equipment needs at your shopping for a piece of equipment. That would make your life so much easier that you would hope to add to your your coursey toolkit at some point you got for the viewers right now. You've got a collection of excavators dump trucks the skid steer. I'm sure a few other odds and ends. But yeah roller. And i. My next thing would be A new takuji. Because you know minds a two thousand. Four when i got it. It'll have like two thousand dollars on it. And so i had a lot of life left in it but i use that machine a lot and so if it if it went down i i'd be hurting. You have to buy a new one adjective. I had to get something because we're so used to the efficiency of it and what it can accomplish in a day. I'd be i'd be rough shape without one. I'd like to upgrade to a newer model for sure. and you. You feel brand loyalty to attack hoochie. At this point i would think i i just i would. I really like how it's made Could you do a lot of the work on them yourself too. Yes yes and and. That's the machine that i get around most of the time. Yeah dexter on the excavator i. I rarely get a run. The excavator i mean. He's he's better out than i am. Sure he's the one that runs it so. I spent a lot of time in that in that track loader and then obviously the japanese company based on the name how that sounds in my ears. Yes why are the japanese so good at making equipment and cars world. And you know it's like all you need to know the dirt bike is a car. It's a track loader. I'll take the japanese one seat. I am the only guy at this party who remembers when it was one hundred and eighty degrees out of phase on that When maiden japan was the equivalent of made in china. Now junk not interested dotson dots. That's trucks with about the first ones to show up over here. Michael jim had one and it was like even is a twelve year old. Could tell okay. This is like a prince. Edward in a can tobacco. Ken with four wheels on. This is really like you know. My dad would mock it and but man. They changed their model. You're awesome hit is amazing but i love the visibility. That takeuchi has or you can see you. You're still higher. Has a big back window an easy. You can just see what you can see around you a lot better. Yeah so because of that. Yeah i'd buy another one for sure so let me ask you this. How long did it take for dexter. After deng's outfit k and some of his equipment and dexter came with it. How long did it take him to acknowledge that. It was so much better than that. Four wheel case skits or does he still love that thing. He so love that thing really. Yeah and i don't like it. Yeah i'm used to the tracks. The stability of it. So i get on that that case gets her and i'm bouncing around a little bit but he's so good on it you know he can. We do a lot of dry grading and he. He's a very efficient on it and makes it look really nice. Yeah so when we got a job and we need that machine. He runs it. If need the track machine. I run it on google so it works out pretty well so talk us through. If you had to make a pie chart of the type of work you do you said grading driveways and stuff. I know you do septic installed. I know you do footing in site. Prep work she did that for us. So talk about the type of work that you do as a i guess excavation contractors at how you title your business or yes so so the majority of our work is I would say rural home site developments so somebody buys eighty acres five acres. We go out there. We put in the the road to the house will cut the house pad will deal with all drainage We trench the Underground electrical We run the wireline from the meter or from the will to the house will put in the septic system and then once the the footings poured will come in. And we'll prep for all the patios will backfill the garage with rock. We put in the down about drains Hookup to our lines sewer lines And then once the house is complete. We'll do some final rock on the driveway Smooth up any dirt piles left Get close enough to landscapers can come and do their job. Yes yes and a lot of times. a site has a trees on it. So we'll come in. We'll take it all the trees. Paul the stomps make slash piles. I would say that. That is the bulk of our work is doing homesites for that like that. And they're they're all custom homes. So i i. I don't get involved in track home developments It's not not where i wanna be. Well how come i know. It's a different market. It's you know it's a little cheaper The custom home market is good. People are willing to spend the money to to do things the right way. All the way through in track homes doesn't always happen that way. I'm a big proponent. On having proper compaction a lot of times you know in track homes. They'll fill the garage up with two feet of crushed rock renovated replayed over it. And that's it. You know two feet. Fiber plate boom a virus. Good for two or three games that those rocks don't know anything's happening so it takes longer and it costs more money but will put in six inches. Six inches of rock will hear with the jumping jack. We'll put it in another six to eight inches rock hill. The jumping jack. Yeah and so. I can sleep at night knowing that it's not going to settle. They're not going to have a problem with that. Underneath the sidewalks driveways. I have background in concrete construction. And i've been on places where you can take three foot steak and shove it all the way to the ground. All the way to the bottom with the palm of your hand your hand. And that's that's not properly compacted that grounds going to settle sidewalk gonna crack well. Yeah and does that. I won't do that. So how how does a homeowner or one of your customers and we. I know i know liar. Customers you've told me are custom home. Builders but in general how do you even go about bidding or pricing a job like that or how could somebody on the other side. Let's say me who wants to develop a forty acres. Have any idea what it would cost to kind of do all that stuff. You just rattled off and do you even know or do you just kind of dig in or how do you go about like you know pinning down a bid on a price or giving giving estimates on something that like you said who who knows what you could find under under the earth right. That's that's one nice thing about. Excavation is Most of the custom. Home builders that i work with the excavation part of their bid is kind of open ended. Because you don't know what you're gonna hit if you if you go to dig a basement and you hit bedrock. Yes gotta get chipped out. And that's that's very costly. You know what's under the ground and so you know you have a rock clause in your contract that says you know we'll dig this out on less. We hit rock But as far as the other items you know just based on past history We know about what is going to take and so some some billers will. I'll give him a. I'll give them a bid But it's still open-ended so if it goes a little bit over there okay with that and if it goes under i don't charge them the full bit amount and so we have a good working relationship That way and that is so valuable. Because you know there are people will it. It's like every other aspect of commerce. The whole the whole paradigm of anticipating costs and selling a price and then performing the work. There are so many so many ways to hurt people on both sides of the equation. That if you can have that relationship of trust where people are really pretty relaxed going in that. They're gonna have to pay what it really cost. They're not gonna pay less than what it really costs. And they're not gonna not gonna have to pay more than what it really costs for a lot of people who are developing rural sites like that. That's about all they have to have. Yeah and i guess with equipment When i worked in accounting and attorneys do this do they have to keep track of their hours that they work on a client because they just bill that way. And i'm just thinking out loud. It's kinda handy. These machines. Have these our meters. It's probably. I don't know if you utilize it in that way. But i mean if you if the machine run for fourteen hours to get the job done. It's kinda like i don't know to tell you. This was harder digging than we thought. It took fourteen hours and d. Do you utilize the hour meters for billing at all. Yes okay yes. Every single day i have a. I have a notebook that i write in every day. It's kind of like a diary. I guess. job law. I read a description of what we did. What machines used that day. How many hours they worked. I write down all the materials us on job and so even if it's a hard bid job i track it that way so i know what it actually took on. The jobs that are that are timing materials. I mean that's what i pull my invoice off is all out of that book. I i guess what it is. Maybe this is the answer. Like when someone's never done something like i've never done any type of site work like that. I have no idea what to expect. The how long that would take no idea in the world could be like two hours or it could be like twenty five hours. You know for a machine right. No idea but when you've done it a few times. I guess for you. It's sort of like you can have a pretty good idea what it would take mostly the day increments though right mostly in day. Increments you okay. Okay so everything's gotta make sense stakes day just to get the machines there half a day. At least yeah. Yeah i mean you gotta move your equipment out there and you know about how much you can accomplish in a day. I mean at a truck can only bring so many loads iraq rock and a day based on how far aways the pit. And what's the traffic like. You're going through town or not so so. That's been my experience talking to brian. Other people that do things like that is up. I'll probably be in here about four days. And he knows he's going to have three machines and he wants so he said okay. That and i've you know. I use danny a lot before you bought denny's outfit and i used a few other guys and i knew i was never really profoundly disappointed on that probably as much as anything because i was usually a right there with them. In the way you know run on the rod or something and you can see the equipment's running and you can see the dirt going or coming and so at the end of the day. Yeah but still. I had to prepare a price for people and so i would ask you got an idea. What what what am i safe with and i would put a safe number and narayana gets all about trust somebody a little bit and that is pretty much priceless because men you could really a contractor could really take advantage of somebody and be who hasn't gonna take a long time and then the person be like okay. I have no idea know. And i know every it's not just dirt work where that's a thing you know. It could be a mechanic you know. They're notorious for that. It's the same. It's the same thing so ryan. Do you think that there's any can people who who are interested in this type of thing. They could rent this machinery and do these jobs themselves is that is it even possible to save money doing that or you know what i mean like. Let's say i was going to build a. And i was telling you i'm gonna i'm gonna save a few bucks. I'm gonna rent all that. Is that even possible or is it just hiring the pro that's gonna cost them less You know if you're if you're a person that's pretty adept in knows knows how to have me has a background in some kind of construction and you could rent a machine and and you can do okay with it but the same time we can do it Probably more efficiently yeah You know if you dig a little too deep me didn't have a good laser or something like that you're gonna buy more concrete for your footings. You're gonna buy more gravel things like that they're going to end up costing you more money in the long run or even i like having a dump truck available because if a person rents an equipment they dig a hole then you like you got to pay so the company to come. They're not gonna come till the next day. But you're paying rent on the machine s and short load for whatever whereas you own the dump trucks and so they're gonna be there. Seems like almost that right there. If there's going to be any material or dump truck happening at all. I don't know how you could. That's how it work. That's how it worked for me. I mean is one thing to dig the dirt. And then you gotta move the dirt and then you gotta get the dirt off site and you gotta get gravel back put in place and you've got a grade the gravel and there's not one machine that's gonna do. I mean you know a back. Abaco comes close but you still gotta haul stuff in and out you know. Yeah back is you can shuttle the material across the road. Nobody messes up things like that. Yeah but yeah. How have your own dump. Trucks is is a big is a big plus i i hate dump trucks. I can make more money with a mini excavator than dump truck because dump trucks burn lot more fuel all these taxes. Your tires are taxed. There's huge costs and they can actually bill more per hour for a mini excavator than a dump truck and have more fun running it but at the same time with dump truck i get rock when i want to get the rock. Yeah i can haul my own equipment around. You can clean up the mess when you need to clean up. So it's it's a necessary evil but with a dump truck. There's always something that has to be done to it. The tires were out in these new brakes. Just it's always it's always. Some a blinkers not blinking. Something yeah you know. It's the same way with i. Don't care cars generally are a blight right. It's cars keep us broke is cars that keep us frustrated. It's cars or a problem and also freedom. I mean you've got to have them. But i is interesting though that a dump truck has that that is more like it'd be broken or have issues than any of your other equipment. Yeah it's carrying a lot of weight and it's and you put a lot of miles on a dumpster because you think about you have a guy sitting in there all day long every day you know you rack up the miles and start and stop and twenty thousand pounds of rock and twenty thousand pounds and truck and that's that's our load right So tells brian about and you told me the story. I thought it was amazing. About what maybe start at the beginning. Give us your background in terms of schooling and career because as you mentioned you poured concrete for a lot of years. And mostly what i want. I want you to tell the listeners. About how you bought the business and in particular. He had that negotiation. He had 'cause i think it's the most beautiful negotiation i've ever heard of but started beginning. Tell us about your all right your back. How you got to this charrier. In now. When i when i was a little kid we lived in southeastern idaho and Our family my dad and my uncle. My grandpa we had a sand gravel business and they had a concrete plant and so i grew up a little kid. I wrote around in the dump truck with my dad or read around a concrete track and and those older tracks ice where none of them had a passenger seat. Who's either milk crate or five gallon bucket. But but i wrote around those as a kid. I spent a lot of time sitting on the fender of the of the backhoe with my dad So i was too little to run the equipment. But i was around it and i had my talk toys at home and so i had to plan you were born and bred realize that that's how i started out and then you know series of events things changed and We moved to eastern oregon had farm there and my My dad managed it for him and so we shifted from construction farming. And so i grew up with both those very also experienced this very young. I got put on a tractor. Cultivating beans This gang iran water truck. You know just anything you can do on a farm and watching the equipment be fixed. Watch importantly fix it. There's always to do your round tracks just so so i guess my whole life up to that point was around heavy equipment. Okay well it was inevitable. Then like mitch. Yeah yeah he. Here's the same way he just same store. Go ahead so anyhow. So then oh shoot. Then i went off to school. Byu idaho idaho. And i was in the landscape architecture program but what made you want to go to school like if you had an instinct that you're gonna do doing landscaping and maybe you weren't thinking to work at the time but i wasn't thinking at the time. Okay so i just. I need to get an education. You know i. I saw it as a valuable thing to do. So i i was going to school. I come home in the summertime. And i work for other farmers you know doing. Hey one summer i ran a concrete pump boom pump. Wow for my uncle I come home at christmas time. And i'd haul containers of alfalfa to seattle. He's like the swiss army man. You anyhow during that whole that whole time some somewhere. When i was going to college. I i got this like this concrete bug so i did a internship for a landscape company in reno nevada and while i was there i decided to buy a bowl float. A couple of handles and finished. My internship went back to and got a couple side hustles doing some sidewalks and things. I didn't know what i was doing. Sure and i'm sure they didn't turn out real great but anyhow Had a professor at school and he was actually a concrete contractor on the side which is kind of rare find. None of this makes sense. What do you think about school and congressman internships for your buy in bulk flow. He was an english professor too. Awesome his a contractor. So i ended up got hooked up with him and did a couple couple of jobs with them and and Met another guy that was a was a student as well but had his own concrete business and went to work with him. Just just earn extra extra money while at school. And so. I got this this concrete bug and i just wanted learn do everything about concrete and i wanted to decide you know. Since i was doing the landscape architecture degree i wanna do decorative concrete. Do hold eggs and yeah and that sort of thing. You're itching to stamp. Altos really itching to do that. So anyhow so i was there i met my wife. elisa elisa but by the way i had known elisas and she was just a pup like eight. Maybe or nine or seven. I don't know how old she was. When i met her but known her longtime so so we we both got done with our our schooling and we decided to move to to bend was halfway between where her folks live and remind live and in fact level just moved to band. We didn't have any prospects there so we went there and i interviewed with a landscape. Company is going to go to work doing some design work and whatnot. But you know in the back of my mind the i liked the landscaping part but they just. It was too small to small and and there were. I knew that was going to be a problem so it was then that i came to roseburg and helped you up at johns play. Yeah doing that. Concrete up there. Yeah that's right and you know anyhow several so let me just throw in so at wedding reception. After the party was done up. John's place they had arranged to borrow. Paul santos's eighteen wheeler tractor. A cab it was a cab over with a sleeper conventional. It was a conventional out right now and it was up there at the site of the reception and when the bride and the groom left reception. Brian drove that conventional tractor. Seventy down the hill down the driveway off. They went into the sunset highway. You wanted concrete and you showed up. Douglas county helped me on that flatwork around the outside his house. I can barely remember. I did a deck. I think and it was flat. Work under the deck we did Exposed ribbons and that was inside of it about crippled. Tom remember we had leverage. You guys into doing way too. Many feet of a ribbon was a lot tom. His kneepads on too tight cut off the circulation to his legs and he was crippled for a year. Something like that. Yeah wow so so just like implicated yourself in the lawsuit very forgiving. So he kept working so there are several things and we find decided that we're just gonna moved to roseburg. And i remember asking you. You know i want do concrete. Who good outfit to go to work for. And you play me to to bruce caldwell and let me tell you that every. Tell you about the phone call. I had with bruce after that conversation. Nah bruce's scott wadsworth. Yeah hi scott. I didn't know him very well. I said i'm just about to give you the name of the best hand you're ever going to hire. But here's the deal if you don't keep him busy and i have enough work. I'm going to hire him away from you. Okay that's fair enough. How long did you work for. Bruce twelve years that's lawyers. You know when. I when i started. They were in the middle of a large. Rv park project and it was a lot of production. And you know. I'd pour some concrete back in eastern idaho. But i wasn't a season competed in earlier. No by any means just ram so you know fake it till you make you make it so i started out working with those guys pouring concrete every single day and i just planned on staying there for a couple of years learn some experience and then strike out on my own pool decks right. And they want to do decorative now a lot of pool decks here in douglas county so but anyhow we we got involved in some really unique projects and bruce does. I really really enjoyed the work. the challenge. It wasn't it wasn't repetitive. Work we did like a custom basement around walls or we did some spill ways and little by little. I started doing more of the The structures for water you know like the put a box culvert under highway and we'd build the the wing walls on each end The those were probably my favorite things to to work on Pretty non-typical lots of rebar government specs had to be done. Just exactly one way in. Just exactly one schedule. I know this is going to sound weird to some of the guys listening because it came out of college and went right to finishing and pouring concrete which is not what a lot of people doing after college you know they imagined more. I don't know not manual labor like that. But what was your like. I guess at the time you were getting experience and getting ready to go out on your own thing is that sort of the mindset. You were you you obviously. You're happy to work hard. And that's not my point. My point is more you didn't you didn't see anything wrong with just jumping right in next to you. Know old salty concrete guys. And even though you've been through college at that point in could technically have probably settled in a more. I dunno landscape architecture. Probably has some more comfortable office type jobs. I would think right. I'm just not an office guy. Yeah i grew up working outside the blue-collar lifestyle. Yeah and i love it. So i had no desire to sit in the desk desk all day long. So but your education helped you with bruce. 'cause you ended up helping with bidding and job tracking and cost estimating and some management responsibilities. That you more qualified for probably. I'm guessing because of some of that educational time. Yeah i took a bidding in estimating courses in school. So i had i had some some ideas on how how it works you could operate a keyboard have computer skills and how to use spreadsheets and those kinds of things. I learned those in school. Nom saw certainly valuable Skills that that i gained there. Was it worth the cost of tuition. Oh i don't know. I suppose you could learn it medway other wife so maybe that made it right. There were working for. Bruce was great. You know kind of worked my way up into a. I guess i call myself a working foreman For brusett the neatest thing. I gotta do is you know i get a go. Put together an estimate for a job and then go out and run the job. That's cool And so that's not a working foreman. Form never put together the money on the job k. The form on the job and he inherits the price schedule and he's got the plans so that's about to step is not quite. It was almost a project manager right on that project. Yeah i guess as a project manager working bridget bags. You are working project manager. That's a great job. There are several times. I'm standing on the site at the side of my truck. I've got my tool belt on. And i got my laptop computer outs. So so i. But i i was working with the crew there. You go with my hands. And i'm sure there are plenty of generals. You guys did work for that. Would have that identified you as somebody that they would like away from bruce. That had to happen. Because you don't see working guys that can go by the truck and run that computer. You may not be privy to that. But i just know that happened. Most people can run a computer these days. Not most construction gives you can also run a bowl flow so so so. I know a lot of construction guys who are tops. In fact we work with them. For whom a computer is foreign. Churn foreign the do their bids and their calculation their job tracking on a yellow pad and there's a stack of him on the floor of their work truck. You know so so so you guys who have that advantage of being computer savvy. It's easy to project that onto. All your millennial peers but not all of them have it. Now plenty probably yeah. I think the best part about that. That scenario was you know if you're if you're a foreman and and you you go to a new job the someone else bid and you know they're calling on the phone we'll how come it took those guys this long to to do the footing forms or or how. Come that walls taken so long. When when i was the one that put together the bid. I knew how many man hours there were for each each part of the job and always have in the back of my mind that i'm going to beat them beating. You know we're going to beat that. Even though i had nothing to gain for doing that but i was driven that way to to try to beat my own numbers. It's a sickness. And i get and there's a thrill to that what it is but i do but i i really enjoyed My experience working for bruce doing doing concrete work. We some really really unique projects that made you really had to name. You really think outside the box. So i'll just tell you that personally watching that from a distance for ten or twelve years after connecting you guys. I got a ton of satisfaction. Out of what i saw going on from. You know with my spyglass. Brian house bruce. Brian and we had enough mutual friends. Who would work. Occasionally on. Bruce's jobs that i could of keep track of it and it was. It was neat. Yeah we we have a big slab support. And we'd call dozen and tom and they they would come and we just put together big cruise where you get a large projects done just like we did on that porch and two months ago and it's fun fun to go work with those guys fun. They're the bed so great group. Talk us through. Obviously bruce's little bummed when he left but probably not totally surprised. But i i want to hear about how you got into excavation and came about buying the business and take an oath taking it over so maybe will finish on that little skinny once there. So when i worked for bruce. I come home at night and i get my computer out. And i'd be doing you know the mine estimating or or i'd be doing daily reports on on what we did that day and and i talked to my wife like you know this project. We're doing really good on beat my numbers And she would look at me and say like you know. When are you going to do this for yourself. Bruins to be really happy. Bruce with lighted he took. Good care of me But you know she was just always asking me that and it was constant thing For for for a few years you know of asked me you know you. You should really this on your own. The bids we started to get where more and more out of town. I spent a summer in medford working living in a hotel room. I went over to band. Did a job Fun projects unique projects but not at home. yeah So that was that was a big push and you know swinging a eight pound sledge hammer is nice and you feel tough and everything like that but after doing it for years and years. It's kind of detrimental to your joints. You're not kidding. I starting to feel it in my shoulders. Men you know. I look at these Alzheimer's of poured concrete their whole lives and her in rough shop. Used up there. You know having surgeries and hunched over. And they're hurting. The they got a little tray full of pills in the trial of pills and i pushed hard. And so i you know. I wear out a brand pair boot. Work boots in nine months just shot walk through the soles of them. I don't know how many miles a day. I walked a lot and so i could see all these things i needed. I just i needed to do something different. So i was trying to figure out what that was. And and so I thought about Danny potter's business. He was somebody that i never worked for. Not not once He didn't work for bruce. Bruce is some me. It's just for me a lot. He someone that. I knew actually the foundation on his house Someone is round. I think he did a lot of work from my father-in-law. And so i would. I would run into him and ask him how he's doing he's like you know don't good. I'd like to slow down and retire someday. And and so i just kind of planted a seed in the back of my mind and so i was thinking about one day and i thought you know maybe i should do dirt work. I think i could do okay with doing dirt work and so i stood on this astute on this and i even talked bruce Told him you know. I i need to do something different. Whether it's with with your business or something completely different. I need to do something different. Because i'm not. I'm not doing anything for myself to to move move things along and he understood and he understood that. Yeah and so one day i. I was working. When i was working in bend. I called any help on the phone. Oh you cold called. I called him up and said i said getting old you know going and i knew he was wanting to slow down and i said you know. Would you be willing to to sell your business to me you know. I don't know anything about buying a business. That was a totally foreign concept to me. Why were you surprised to hear yourself saying that i it. It took a lot of courage to to dial the dial the number and start that conversation. Because i knew in the back of my. If i start this conversation it's going to be. It's going to be tricky for awhile. That's there's a lot of stuff to figure out. We're getting out of the comfortable zone. Yes something new. Yes but making that initial call. That was the hardest thing to do so after that. What did he say he said he said. You know i. I let me think about it. I think i think we might. Bill work something out while so. I think it was like a a week later so i i talked to him and and he had talked to his wife and and they decided that that we continue the conversation he probably like burst into tears of joy right when he okay so so that was in the. I think that was in the fall of two thousand sixteen that i made that made that call So anyhow so i my wife and i went over there and met with them and Started talking through things and we decided that that that we're going to try to make it work so then it was try to figure out how you just a second. You came home from ban. You said hey. Are you called. Elisa that say elisa. I called any potter. He said he would think about it. What did she say. I don't remember what she said. I know she was excited. You bet she excited that that that i finally. You're moving to do something different. So then he had a few excavators and dump trucks in a couple employees. Is that like the this scope of his. Yeah work as a as a three man crew raw dexter and denny yet and had been in business for decades and nyc been like big. Just do the dirt were locally as at that cool and he had then the same reputation that brian had now. And there's been lots of guys that i've talked to that. They were appalled here. That danny had sold his class act. Classic dexter and russ and danny were just smooth. Danny's sell now what you know. And then when the word got out brian who's bro. Oh brian reynolds be all right. And they've been so. Tell us about so you guys started talking and this is what i mentioned earlier but i think it's the most beautiful negotiation i've ever heard of so tell us about legacy get to like that moment. You you're both started doing research on figuring out what this thing's worth. Yeah so so. Basically we decided Which machines he wanted to sell because he wanted to keep some machines because he's got a she goes on fires and things like that so there's some things he'd do want to sell and that's fine so so. We went through the machines that that he wanted to sell. And and i went home and my research you know what machine worth. And then he did the same and we met together and and just kinda go share a little bit until we had a firm number what we're willing to pay for each each mission machine specifically and then the trickiest thing is is purchasing. What they call the blue sky. You're buying someone's business. So what does that. What what are your getting. You know it's not like i'm buying existing contracts or anything like that. That's not what it what it is. You're you're buying a name a reputation and and so how do you put a number on that phone number because of name the only thing tangible a lot though that i get is the office phone number which is mostly spam callers. Really and then and then A name on the door. And so you know. I researched it and there's different formulas that people have come up with based on a gross revenues and in all these things like that and so just came down to okay. This is what i think it's worth and So in met with them and we both basically had the same had the same number so all his anxiety going into this like you know. Are they going to be offended. When i say what i think is worse you both at wrote your number down on a piece of paper energy chemic- all right turn it over a match. Exactly how that would be something like that. But yet we had the same the same number so right there. Then everybody's happy. I was happy and they were happy. So that worked out really good. Yeah and you're like oh shit offered him less. It really is cool. And i gotta think for him. It's just gotta be so satisfying to we're going to bring danny here has interview with him. Just they'd sell your business in that way and you know that that value of blue sky. Nobody knows how valuable it is. More than danny and yet it's like they're just how many people are how many buyers are therefore that blue-sky one right like he needs you and you need him kenneth and the hallway through it. He he always said that has to work for me for me. Not for him because you know. He has his business that he's developed over these years and years and years of working relationship with different builders and whatnot and and he's turning that over to me. Yeah and so but he knew that it had to work for me or else i wouldn't do. It would not be sustainable. It was for him. I think it was a way away out away of you know of retiring because you don't have these people that you've done work with for years and years and years when they call you kind of feel loyal the kia helping them out and and this. This is a way out of that. They wouldn't call you if they didn't need you and so at the moment you're going to decide. Do i tell them that. Even though you need me. I can't help you anymore. And the customers for or a lot of businesses so it's it's other homebuilders who is not like one customer who needs plumbing repair. Who can call another these people. Their business really relied on this network service. I would think builders big what are they gonna do by an excavator a dump truck like maybe they'd have to you know there's they've really truly were needing so i am that person right. I happen to know you personally when that happened. But i was still in danger of losing any potter's excavation contractor and he had demonstrated to me that i would never call anyone else. That lee sharpe. John k then he came back in there and they between the he was so surgical never broke anything and he never made anybody mad and he was always on time and any always cleaned up his mess and it was in the price always fair and i thought i can't duplicate that. Oh wait. Brian bought it. I think i can duplicate that. And it was just a huge relief for all of us. I've talked to other people who felt the same way so it was a win win win. It was a win for you to a win for those of us in the in the grandstand. See to watch him. You know what's going to happen. You know so looking back. do you think you could. Let's say that that opportunity didn't exist. Do you think you could have built in. Got yourself to this position. You are now busy as you want to be without purchasing that blue sky and equipment or maybe if someone else was listening to this one to do this but without an opportunity opportunity to buy someone's business can you do it yourself or do you. Would you recommend waiting and buying. Somebody's operation. I think the way that we did it. It was pretty awesome. Because if if i was to go out coal turkey and by say a mini excavator k. I wanna do dirt work. I'm pretty limited in what i can do. I mean very very limited we. We bought multiple pieces of machinery. And kinda jumped beyond that level to where we could. We were more versatile and could do more more work And so and that's a huge difference that that just jumping into it. Cold turkey would be really hard to do our work and you had more work coming in over your telephone. Yes yes and you. And the thing is like with these custom homebuilders. They're people that i did foundations for when i worked for bruce and so a lot of these people they're the same people. They needed their dirt. Work yup. I did some work for and so between the people that that came through the business that we bought those contacts in the context of the had right out of the gate. We had more work than we could do. And you had any about some numbers off of denny. What what. What kind of a price should i put on something like this until until you had it automatic and could just happen. Yeah yeah how. Many days right off the bat There is a the first year we had two large projects And that Danny helped me kind of put the numbers together with because i didn't know how far that excavator could trench in the day. I had no idea. I i did. Lots of estimates. Were i knew how many how many feet of footings the guys can put together. But so i had to take that experience and translate into into dirt work and so and so danny helped help figure prices. So maybe last question. You've you've had to your. You've got two great experiences. Great experience working for somebody in a position that was satisfying an interesting. And now you're running your own business in a way that satisfying instinct so which is better. Or what would you recommend it. How do you look at those two options and compare and contrast them or is it just time a life. Oh i'm not sure if this answers your question or not but Both experiences might my concrete background has been a huge huge asset. To what. I do now because because i you know if i'm prepping for footings ardy know what the that are gonna form it. What they want. I did the next phase for years. And so i understand grades and slopes on that. That's something natural to me. Because i just know it and so to do whatever trade. You're going to do if you know the next trade that's coming behind you that makes you. I think way more valuable way more valuable because you don't get called back to dig a little bit more here because they don't have enough room to work and he's like that and it's that but what it really is at at the from the business perspective is the ban is paying you for the work you did has it. Makes it different in different than how much money he makes at the end of the job because he used you for that phase of the work because the next phase of the work could he's paying for goes quicker and easier because you're phase of the work was done perfectly for the people that are following you and that is the advantage that you brought. That is where potter. Excavation stepped up all of a sudden potter. Excavation has somebody who really understands concrete at the helm and so that was that was an improvement. So not only was so i. I'd that that is what it is in real terms. It's a competitive advantage to be able to perform the dirt work for concrete perfectly instead of just very well. It's it's really boost. I don't know how many times are trying to run a string. Line to set something up in his pilot in the way Just just silly things like that. That takes thirty seconds to move with the loader yup and so two hours for man with shove exactly and did i do that with a shovel so so now when i prep aside it's clean aren't piles dirt. There aren't holes. I try to make it so that it is nice for the guys that are common. Yeah and and i think the the builders appreciate that they do so might take away here for someone. Listening who is is paying attention. In other words spending twelve years working for somebody and getting a paycheck is not a waste of time in in terms. Of like you're you're not just on a hamster wheel you're you're learning and waiting and meeting people and you know on on the eleventh and a half year let's say of yours all of those eleven years eleven and a half years the the contractors the learning the next phase getting familiar with all those things like time well spent so if you are punching a time card and spend years working for a job. It's not it's not a waste of time just because you don't own the learn in every if you're learning yeah and learning includes learning the phone numbers contact information and the capacity of the people. You're working with yes that's part of what you're learning you're learning you're learning. What your network and your relationship pool is going to be moving forward. It's just huge. It can't be overstated. Yeah so one thing you might find. Interesting is when when my wife and i find decided that yes. We're going to buy this business. I told bruce. I said this is what i'm gonna do. We're going to buy his business. And we're gonna take over so basically i gave him six months notice that that i was leaving plus And and he kept me busy up until friday and monday morning i took off with my own business. Just like that amazing. That is six months. That's really generous generous and nice and pretty cool generous. But he kept kept me busy all that. He's like a wash my truck. Yes we had the best concrete job in douglas. County that job that you had with. Bruce was the best job available as in in something. That's essentially concrete specialization I mean the other companies that we could talk about and rattle off. They didn't have anything available on their payroll. That was as good as what you had with. Bruce for opportunities to learn do interesting jobs and prevailing wage. And all those things everything from decorative to it prepared you for for everything that's coming next and none of the other companies in roseburg could have done that. Well hopefully you've satisfied that weird issue had to do concrete. I mean i get getting to do woodworking. And i wanna pay but come on. Let's hopefully you got out system. It's still fun helps going to build. I'm gonna make furniture in my garage. Like i'm gonna course concrete. I still got all my trials. It is a joy to go out and pork some. It's probably especially fun when it's not like your concrete and your you know when you just kinda show up for not that that's the fun part but like you said when you're with your friends and guys you hadn't seen in a bit dustin and tom. Yeah in bold doubt it is fun. It's just a pleasure. It's a it's a cooperating cooperating sports team. Yeah kick butt game. That's a good point. What a team effort. It is compared to other trades. You know crew plumbers running through. It's not quite the same like like you. Don't feel like maybe like an offensive line. A of concrete games all working on that slavia. That's pretty and the other thing that you may. You'll notice if you haven't already next time we work and i don't know if i'm going to have a poor big enough to justify bringing you back in i would love to but we'll see But when they're talking to each other work and they're not saying anything about the work they're talking about their lives in their hunting trip and their kids and where they're going with their wife and they're talking about anything they want to talk about and the work just happens without any communication because everybody knows exactly what the guy next to him is going to do in the next second. It's really neat. That's part of the magic of it for me. Is that unspoken communication when everybody is fully professional thinking the same way. It's it's really magic so well oiled machine. it's a well oiled. Machines is yeah you're right. There's there's no. Hey you need to go cut those joints over there or that. Get hit again. You just know. Unless i'm helping. And i've got to be boss like a dog because i am not part of that. Well oiled machine. But it's like the fi in the final four college basketball. You know anyone. Those teams coming down the floor. You know their offense. Everybody knows that other guy's going to do in the past. It's the same thing that's why it's fun What's it like with my be our last question for you. What's it like doing all that when the cameras on you. Well you know when you're when you're reaching out to trial something that you can barely reach us like. Is that camera behind me on so that that goes through your head a little bit. But you're you're free to say it sucks okay. The work still fine but the camera parts a little different. Yeah he has like might as well put like a scope on the top of a barrel. Coming out of this feels like yeah well. Thanks for coming on. Brian and For the listeners we will put will collect all of the concrete videos you showed up and i'm sure there's half a dozen of them at this point so people can have those in one spot and i thought this was really great and Thanks again for doing our concrete work. Any last thoughts for a young up and comer concrete guy who wants to be in your shoes operating equipment. Oh just do it You know make make the leap. When when the time's right make the leap. It is something that you say like. Why did i do this years ago. And so this is. I think that i could have done this a few years earlier. But at the same time i gained some super valuable knowledge that just helps us be better and our business. Yeah well thanks for coming on now before we sign off all the way. I'm gonna put a bunch of links and at the very top of that is going to be to brian's instagram account. Because there's a video on their one of the first ones of this aig rock that rolled out of a hill. I don't even know how else to describe it. And for some reason i'm obsessed with it. I bring it up every time i see you. But he's got a great instagram account. That shows some of the work he's done including this dinosaur egg. That's bigger than suburban right. Not quite that big. It's a cigarette. The volkswagon bug but it looks like an actual egg rolls out of the side of this hill. It's insane we've gotta get a geologist. I'm sure there's a name for it but it looks like a like an egg like it was like it was laid out of some big bird so anyways we'll put your instagram account on their folks can check you out there any other. Get a website or anything Haven't got a website yet. Just started doing the instagram thea. Here all month ago. Yeah we'll send we'll send our audience over there and we will put to the half a dozen concrete videos that you showed up to on our channel so people. Can i get a look at some of the other type of places you showed up. And we're looking forward to having you back over the spec house for that last little bit of grading out in the front and the sidewalk. Great to have you guys back over there. Yeah that's right. In fact i may. Are you going to bring that track loader that you mentioned your tech who she probably not on this job. Okay well i to get more footage that thing close because they're fun to film also there so just fast and smooth and zippy and all that so one of these days all right. Well thanks for tuning in everybody. We'll catch you next time.

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Season 4 - Episode 6

They Walk Among Us

58:58 min | 2 years ago

Season 4 - Episode 6

"Welcome to season four episode six they walk among us a public company dedicated to uk true crime this is paul it's one of the two parts case listener cushion is advised is this episode contains steve zahn descriptions some listeners make funny distressing kim lane is a narrow road flanked by would lend crossing the river rich in unwinding southeast faced from the villager vote to belong to the quiet time let's have ramble ridge in the southeast of england although isolated measuring roughly a mile the road is used as a commuter route so he considerable amount of traffic policies three drink peak travel times shortly before six pm on friday january eleventh two thousand tonight police were alerted to address some of the thoroughfare close to the riverbank a woman in the seventies had been found dead in her kitchen with injuries the suggested she had been severely assaulted the victim is identified as seventy seven year old widowed georgina elizabeth edmonds she was discovered by her son into groundskeepers they became suspicious when they couldn't see any movement in the property in georgina was no chance of rain has fine once they access the hyman switched the lights like found rena pool of blood will they repeat to be no sign of a break in the doors and all but one of the windows looked it wasn't unusual so had to leave the hyman secure during the daylight hours the widow of nearly twenty years later they're aligned with spaniels amber dicey the following day postmortem was undertaken it revealed the georgina regimens died from substantial head injuries a murder investigation was launched operation colombian and police held a press conference ounce on the scene of the crime poop bonet and a detective chief inspector with the hump shit constabulary appealed to the public specifically don't walk is ramblings on joke is a skiing they report anything after they owed him right won't dc on bumps and did not go into detail about georgina redmond's injuries he said it's fantasize blunt instrument was used but as yet we don't know what they this seems of crime offices continue to search for clues while the press conference continued the detective chief inspector went on to explain the investigation would be relying on saw things might the local community the property georgina redmond's cool times south amongst secluded grounds and she was a night but to any a handful full of other residents their homes partially hidden from view amongst the dense trees and bushes fade the to residents who had been staying in nearby rehabilitation center must've been involved elder fieldhouse to board a whole stu when my alexa fenders with a low to medium risk of offending i'm the guy rehabilitation behind to want unfunny royce serial sex offender who it's a sixteen years it's rape and sexual assault before being released in two thousand and four you went on to kill forty year old now i mean brian less than a year later and was sentenced to a minimum of twenty five years in prison while locals what consent someone from the field house monica been responsible for the death of georgina redmond's police stress but there was no indication that any one staying at the hospital was involved at the time among the weapon and not been disclosed in police could find no motive for the attack they edge locals to remain vigilant and secure that himes residents they were interviewed by the press with one mind who did not wish to be named stating it's a short to everybody here is a tragedy and hot so we it's a family show couldn't believe it ever happened still company math and i still think device on false of be how many times and still thinking about their souls her lovie small huge show something like that happened in the heart of a community where crime was the bulls over the heads of friday night or something like that nine affectionately is the lady of the manner georgina redmond's was described by a family friend is a beautiful lady a plea in full of fun a home fig tree cartridge sets in the grounds of a larger estate kingfisher launch which alone to her son henry in his early fifties georgina written down to the larger house sony estate state she wanted something small at the met needs a husband do so cool perry who would since passed away built up a family run tea and coffee mug chins is now being managed by that some you geno was a wellknown member of the community which she had been a part of this year's it was believed that she had been attacked sometime between eleven fifteen i am to three fifteen pm that moaning she'd received a visit from address a nanny to launch season tarik would known georgina facility is it frequently cool down on her friend off the seventy seven year old found find it difficult to leave the house following a hippo peration georgina with someone who took pride in the way she looked on was active despite not being able to go out much do too and i'm sad to see a pervasive season peric arrived at ten eight pm on that fateful day to cut georgina is at the pet discuss their grandchildren and how they spend christmas season left around eleven i am the headrest the told the press how she felt numb when she discovered the news of georgina that were sick knowing that someone had done this to another human being family friend who wished to remain anonymous told the local reporter i'm extremely frozen sorry is a terrible thing i rate will be very very upset he was very close to his mom they go tone well is it fifty officers were involved in a fingertip such and the crunch saint louis police carried out door to door inquiries it was understood the one line of inquiry who's the fig tree cottages been targeted by these instead of rapidly handbag in which she kept a bank account and incentive case appear to be missing on monday january fourteenth it was reported the two righted being carried out detailed fieldhouse hostile for residents had been arrested h twenty one twenty eight t six and seventy seven wealthy details about their involvement in crime will make public questions regarding the whole stupid ability to remain open right after these teams pace the grounds of elder fieldhouse locals were once again pointing fingers at this country has performed the prisoners we bring you suspicion off i'll tell you that very very scan showing 'em and this is this is just a great shock use the biggest thing helping personally specimens saucy but now it just seems like it's a like you know like they've never been tried and there's never been a curfew in any of her just someone goes like playing this early moments ago the grass since then but no one years in law enforcement have we seen a jump out the window is really gonna like my coach and who had been an mp winchester for over a decade gave a statement which was a report in the guardian newspaper these arrests delete the charges against individuals detailed a field house then with regrets i think i would find it hard to continue to support the hostile remaining in my constituency that you and say i wish to make a knee jerk reaction but as the local representatives of the community i have to put safety first will therefore be seeking a gym discussions about optics friday when we have more clarity about individuals consent wallace spokesman from the ministry of justice would not specifically address the case they defended the use of hostels white to reintegrate ex offenders into society would offend is a subject to a thorough risk assessment before they are placed into approved premises or hostels he said send is subject to statutory supervision who believe in hostels after having offend demanded you must assessed send money riskin lanes with costa stuff about day today supervision this police continue their investigation it was discovered the ten attempted tempted been made to use georgina redmond's lloyd's tsp bank card tonight tm just over two and a half miles away outside of tests go eso expressed in garaged service station antoine rose denise lay the crowd was blocked off the several incorrect attend said guessing the personal identification number individual believed to be male was captured on cctv at ten thirty eight pm on friday january eleventh the same evening georgina redmond's bodey was found wearing a yellow fluorescent who did on iraq dot gloves light colored jeans and scruffy one train is the main was pictured walking eastone out but road who'd only on iraq identification difficult though is albert road lined with house is police will high for someone might have spoke to the man and he's distinctive closing in another police appeal detective detective chief inspector pool boston said we would a coup criminals who may have been offered hug count to come forward in contact the police statement came off the three of the four residents detailed fieldhouse were released least without charge another remained on by officers were searching the drains and beans around the tesco express carriage in the hood the culprit discounted the bank card and let some forensic clues behind and they investigation near the end of its first week the police issued a further appeal asking local residents abram bridge and also born the check baynes gardens or joining passageways any only tombs the look uptown to be ordinary dc only bunkers knighted we're still actively seeking the person or people responsible for mrs edmonds murder we'll still appealing for anyone with any information about this incident to come forward with one hundred and fifty officers now working the case there were several lines of inquiry the police were considering these included the possibilities the coca cola bunch that way in or booklet was just a leading to an incredibly tragic outcome in spite of the considerable resources employed by the investigation on numerous public appeals nice further information was gathered in the police still made no mention of the murder weapon so the police multimodal say taken place but did not reveal any additional evidence villagers were consent the perhaps someone from the field house had been involved is one man's still remain don't bio gatherings how just under two weeks after the murder which two hundred like cools attended discussing the incidents in front of a packed village hold director of the language house trust charity you funds the field house explained the hostility been open since nineteen fifty nine in currently has seventeen residents residents little transitioning back into society we understand the following anthony rice when the resident method nine bryant in two thousand and five there is a crisis of confidence in us he said the director to went on to explain to the charity would be unable to support the hall still if it was discovered the one of the residents committed the murder of georgina redmond's by recruiter head of the probation servicing shit who says spoke both the gathering unexplained some residents have since been moved out of the field house would not die vote how many said the decision that some might be at risk of offending because of the pressure sean focus so we've moved some so the risk is not raleigh's may move where there is a greater level of supervision is the month of january came doing it and that was a development in the case joined the lights evening friday january twenty fifth two thousand tonight police raided a semi detach property on twentyfifth road close to be atn wearing attempt was made to use georgina regiments bank cut scenes of crime officers searched the home talk to blossom and also carried out the fingertips such in the garden beings on dolly wise the joined in neighboring property the man police or not the time and wall detectives would not disclose his night they believe teach since fled overseas back to his night to pose and the mayor's would only been in the uk few moments were sharing the temporary accommodation combination with three other men when i tunes taken from the property were analyzed by police sunday airports were notified the man's disappearance no arrests were made the week's podcast both residents of elda fieldhouse on the men who had been questioned off the light not right or eliminated from the inquiry officers working operation colombian sent that focus to identifying the man who had attempted to use georgina redmond's bind called june the second week of february police released in harm's cctv images of the mile z failed to withdraw money from they account wildly spice who's obscured lease appealed to the dry but she could be seen passing v i t m detective chief inspector boston leading the inquiry informed the price of the off the consultation with experts believe the mailing question around five feet eleven inches still under slim's a medium build police say considered it possible the wind which she approached the cash flowing suggested he was familiar with the garish for cold and used it before and offend a profile was created which stated the man was either a light cool new someone who lives nearby officers working the case appeal to the public to off themselves why would someone involved in the the run the risk of withdrawing cash climb to the crime scene only evening of the murder perhaps you want a high visibility jacket that had recently been stolen you been offered a cheat rapidly comeback and his anyone gene left the area since they attack they investigation continued another going to clues discovered georgina redmond's mobile phone was found in its tickets on a type poff next to the river rich in the battery in sim card been removed the nokia device found close to the victim's home was tested for dna detectives post delighted they might not know the routine which these silent made his escape such team continue denise assets openly undergrowth mcneil further evidence dc on bolton said we are determined to catch the person responsible for the murder of mrs minutes with a view to what's bringing some peace to the family and community within which she left the investigation expanded into its fifth week camp shake constabulary cold in that colleagues from sorry to review the case dc on boston concerns severi police susan volkmann stating they will be reviewing the policies that have been made a dentist falling any lines of inquiry but we may have missed we welcome their engagement is fun the details of the crime became nine and it was revealed the georgina redmond's had been tortured before her death the seventy seven year old has been stopped several times in the top of her bodey with a weapon police described as a pairing for the three inch flight something similar size and white for the murder weapon it's still not been disclosed it will believe that she had been hired to obtain the personal identification number for her bank account what's possible but the suspected either being given incorrect pinball georgina we noted it down incorrectly detectives could not be sure well they did not want to coast panic be anything the police seemed to my soon to know who's the culprits would strike again when this community fast lendup georgina edmonds no it was shocked and stunned by what has happened now it's having to counter tons with the news that she with us tortured church by her attacker using a knife if they try to extract pin number from georgina cash cowed well let's just horrific society the head injuries whatever if enough but we feel now the time is now come so let the community know he walks or dale mrs evans went through before she was killed and i'm hoping that somebody out there are some information in particular are filled with the person responsible may of confesses to one of their friends or relatives and now i think they might play down their involvement was but now it seems like she's urging people to do the right thing income type of place after releasing the more horrifying details of jewish gina's attack any investigations tense week police received around a dozen cools in incident but it yet to identify the kayla in an effort to entice someone to speak up georgina redmond's son harry off it's three thousand pounds for any information the woodley to be arrest and conviction of the person responsible the rule is quickly increased went hampshire police officer the fed the two thousand pounds and crunch still presented another thousand bringing the total to six thousand pounds but in spite of the reward now once by the reward for information leading to a conviction again increased twenty thousand pounds with funds of by dodie edmonds georgina still on the six month anniversary of georgina redmond's dance the no show at the time who is working overseas spoke with the southern daily aca dodie edmonds said i'm offering this reward in the hope that it will encourage someone to come forward with information the late today arrest and prosecution of the person or people responsible from my mother's death still shocked what has happened thirty edmonds went on to say everyone has a mother or grandmother and i expect they can't imagine how we is a family feel if anybody has any information about she might be responsible double no matter how small please contact the police despite the policy of time and so the lines of inquiry officers working came the case still remain determined to catch georgina redmond's kayla on kim line and the task of express garaged nearby stilts in question dog walkers jokers motorists and visitors to the area who were passing through the night page leaflets handed out to everyone police met pitch at the man in the fluorescent tamarack detectives also visited public housing the surrounding villages distributing pictures of the man captured on cctv attempting to use the bank called alone with for customers who shopping at the tests go express carriage the police still have not been able to trace but again this is investigating gauging the thousands of leads the came that why she police could still not tracked down joe genus kayla the reward for information leading to a conviction was increased twenty five thousand pounds roth and just focus on the villages and towns surrounding the crime scene police decided to wind india pale on national television like i had months since the metro gina redmond went back victory kasich however now reconstruction from national tional television of pale type of anyone out that the nowhere this official medicine come forward and give some information this is evans grandma a mother a friend in the relative to a number of people went off the cliff there's is consider that that could have been your grandma and give yourself a reconstruction was broadcast on crime watching november two thousand tonight with further information about the case being revealed it was reported the tough the georgina regimens stabbed repeatedly in the neck chest and back to obtain the full digit code for her bank card choose then struck several times in the head with a marble rolling paint the kitchen utensils but how to would handles subsequently so quickly broken into three pieces two of which were covered in blood is georgina light bleeding in the kitchen number attack of fled staging a comeback which had a mobile phone inside the brutal murder so the culprit leaf seventy pounds on the side of the kitchen talk on his way out the killer looked his victim inside the property and then discuss the time mobile fun policies he made his skates in right center groundskeeper used to walk joe genus dokes his interview with the bbc television program he said i'm someone can actually do that to someone not told not file combing gentle i mean you could have pushed derosa with a feather they ended the day she didn't deserve to die like that dc on boats and suggested the juice to the weapons used the violence was no plan and we believe she was probably torch it is we know those injuries did not kill her they were however wins would of course has significant pine he said the remote location of fig tree cottages not just some way you stumbled across you went on to say the family of mrs edmonds including her two grandchildren facing nearly eleven months with questions announce it christmas is coming and it's important for this confer the white community this person or people responsible a cold fifty crews received saved any incident bring into names were provided to the police amongst the cool tonight low cool man he did not wish to be named doug nineteen of the five thousand pounds to be added to the reward of the transformation that led to a conviction one month would poss news now much deejays since the murder of georgina redmond's won't macy's friends affectionately called a daughter dodie edmonds on groundskeeper ski purry in rights and spoke about what happened i tend to the i think i have switched to snuff out the way in which she died because it was so terrible and a and i just knew she mitch dwelling on that yeah but dewlaps nights we like to say ticket matching the tara and that sort of thing but i guess i'd had invested in this film follows i find it very old that's a beautiful fort lauderdale in the in the countryside the social activism is severely obviously i'm not mississippi forever ten years and saw most days on titan at hospital uptight and it's the surgeons in london hopped on evidence for a you know she's very sweet lady she's like a second moment away so it hit me in the finally called fought hard and feel very very sad for the finally anyway but she didn't is a dog that she was a beautiful lady very kind very gracious very funny and a as i say i have a special spot offer knows in right senate since may why won't he had hoped he would spend the rest of his days at brand bridge be emotional toll georgina redmond's murder to claim was too much throughout two thousand and nine fresh cools received an incident right multiple names have been provided the police over three thousand exhibits would gather at one and a half thousand statements taken and they edmonds farmland police made numerous public appeals video uploaded to you cheap but they have shit constabulary months eighteen months since july gina's murder in state should interview between dc i bumped and jenny making the journalist who had been reporting on the case it was just shocking that that what can you tell us about the scene gracie justices that guy guess what about help us five on the year two thousand nights mrs i've been some harry returning hiring from what a he called his using dominance they checked on his mother and until she found her long on the kitchen floor with serious head injuries and stop wins and they'll say the police were called and what can you tell us about the state of the house when don't show up every when rome we certainly know the hand back in contents were taken with a nice on full century which is quite unusual sight or was it somebody mrs evans invited in i was at somebody who who letting sells them because the house's insecure misstatements this stuff and we just don't show up in my just the money to please stay have about he might be responsible i'll be waiting courage by the sport we've had from the community so i find relations this investigation is still the number of people that it was trying to identify the scene in and around there on the day of the metro georgina and particularly came to identify passing the scene at one o'clock hanging around by the bridge by the entrance to victory hostage and that's the jumping ice such difficulty is wearing a freshman jacket with a hood up who is say if you know who he is and give subtle like tony often in roundabouts there's also a president's saying hanging around by the type how they patriot crouching down where they can three mrs evans how by practice trying to decide what's tight from the contents of that ham by rudy came to identify that pass and most importantly is around about twenty twenty to eleven only thing is a person attention to use mrs edmonds cash playing cod machine in the sky expressing twentythird righty sleep you'll see from the footage that this person is wearing a very large for us in check it out the same person saying one of only off the name or is it a different person this person would certainly in the video went on to detail lee autumn's taken from the heim which included georgina is black rapidly comeback how skis multi colored key for a checkbook mine called and assume the credit card holder falling to the video appeal laundering quarry heading west and the case continue to remain unsolved it wouldn't be until almost two years to the day georgina redmond's murder police finally had a break story now two years old and i in russia investigation i wear red sox who by miser so much and forensic evidence we've taken from the crime scene and we know how i followed the kid i i will now james identifying a specific area where we're gonna i'm gonna speak to a residence in fact mouse often people having association with the area to have the dna the evidence is going saying we think is pretty significant i we spike into these national patient proven i say you have a friend products being assist us with its investigation i will now saying is we find many believe the person using hate champion shea on of the matter is the kid i know that person must have some fun with this area a personalized attention but i suggested that questions are they living in this area or suddenly nurses are very well and i sat through what is that through association what it's like living here on the generate two thousand nine and more importantly how they're still living in this area won't dna testing who's being carried out some five hundred local men police began to focus of the investigation and boy it would any slowly three miles south west of the scene of the crime and a short distance from the tesco express carriage where they ate tm cod was used offices lee flitted the three thousand plus times in the residential area which led to the fetchy cools did the incident very men from me sleep could also voluntarily submit their dna and most like coups did not seem to mind being honest stephen collins who is austin spotted wearing a fluorescent stated the police came to see me because i wherever yellow jacket when i ride my my pet received a letter asking me to come and provide my dna in a been happy to type popped out just type it helps find whoever did it was a particularly nasty trawling long the dna testing continued in june police telling the world trade center ching the river retune scaring the riverbed on topol following on from a tip off they received anonymous significance was discovered incense protesting the police would not reveal what they had found scene of crime offices it completed a general sense of the riverbank shortly after the murder a cut but now they operation targeting specific six section of the result you early hours of wednesday june thirtieth two thousand in ten police made an arrest a seventy one year old miles from the ship steak and easily just a few miles from the crime scene had been taken into custody a property demand shed with these mother on hamilton road along with the flats on the president's way he was living at the time but the mud reexamined but team of forensic expert says the suspect was later identified as matthew hamlin you worked down suddenly deviously slowly but the disney area from most of his life at the time of arrest police would not comment on whether he's dna match that the samples tycoon he was released on bail until the start of the following yeah january two thousand eleven it was reported that if the too much significant had been found and in some woods and it's a good cops in also ball the police would again not confirm what they are tim walls however it was believed to either be georgina comeback multicolored key fault or silver bank call told her it had been found by a member of the public is being tested the dna fingerprints three years and one month softer georgina redmond's debt someone was finally charged with murder matthew hamlin made his first court appearance dressed in jeans and a black salt confirming his name addressed sunday during the shorts hearing at southampton magistrates cooled user mounted in custody head of a preliminary hearing at winchester cramped cold you did not enter a plea in judge keith cutler the recorder of winchester or did the tomlin remain in custody until his next court appearance in my plea hearing matthew richard john hamlet pleaded not guilty to the charge of murder he's requested by was denied any would be kept in custody until the trial scheduled for november two thousand and eleven jury selection began during that's that week nights and the seventy seven year old widow and grounds mother was discovered lying face down in a pool of blood she suffered sixty seven injuries the prosecution say the most to be injuries were infected with a knife she was also hit over the head with a marble opening legal proceedings on november fifteenth prosecutor prosecutes maluku bose qc toll winchester crown cool of the horrific scene the great harry edmonds when he climbed through window of his mother's heim fig tree kasich cinching georgina along with two grams keep his both while many in ron some emergency services were elected arrived at the scene around six twenty pm after trying to use a different view lights a paramedic nights at the george genus trousers underwear it'd been into speedway would be confirmed lights abroad pathologist they wouldn't no signs of sexual assault describing the crime is a bruce to mud bugs sent the many wins penetrated georgina regiments skin the patent suggested that had been delivered with some determination inferences the cheapest tortured in order to obtain a pin number and then beaten to death but his tone cheers of the circumstances in which georgina redmond's was found along with the details which it's fine being withheld from the public he warned the jury but some details of the case would be distressing i'm office pathologist dumped a hugh watch would like to tell the court the vic timid received several blows to the head georgina range road i seventy separates injuries the team traded repeated stab wounds fractures to a cheek but only so kitchen jewel and there were parts of us go the tubing shafted ending his opening statement maluku bose qc said it is the prosecution's case the person attempting to use georgina redmond's credit card with matthew calmly the teams the person who mud georgina redmond on the second day of the trial harry edmonds described the day he found his mother beaten to death iran lifetime and after unsuccessfully contacting her on the fine he decided to head down to gene is called sage which was only a short walk away the property being on the same estate they do look so dunk it just seemed to be for boating atmosphere but i know why should be like that but i was conscious elevates he said when he goes seeing solid before switching on the light nice they outline of some legs on the floor it's us though she had had an accident before realizing georgina ever been mud ari edmonds told the court that he considered cooling his mother rarely it that day but instead focus journeys what commitment a decision he said he regrets it forensic scientists on you're marshall would give expert testimony the money in which she explained the mix profound which included georgina redmond's dna was found on the road and pen prosecution argued being used to beat to death scientists to testify in the mix sample it might be possible but if the contribution represented matthew hamlin she could not be one hundred percent sent in the mobile section of the rolling pin had been swamped and they were similarities to a portion of prominence dna and i know there are also other profiles on both found dylan spin though should not be accounted for match need the georgina redmond's or matthew hamlin scene of crime examiner monaco apple bay would like to testify but no one else could be a better fit than matthew calmly when crime scene investigators have arrived i noted blood on the rolling pin alone with a pair of glossy in one of the doak feet balls georgina gina redmond's profile was presents amongst what appeared to be a mix some poll found on the rolling pin which included some markets but pointed to matthew humbling when the scenes of crime examiner was cross examined he was forced to admit that was nothing concrete forensically link matthew come to the same the jury of seven women and five men were shot footage demand captured on cctv at ten seventy eight pm attempting to withdraw two hundred pounds from georgina redmond's bank account limiting his face and using he's really ten defeat the card into the machine the man repeatedly failed to enter the correct number to access they account is defense counsel tim miles lee qc seized on this factoring the cross examination of one of the investigators when other images cues shed matthew few hamlin using his left hand in every other instance it was revealed through the investigators testimony the detectives to track down or lying to the people the suit reportedly been seen wearing fluorescent jackets on the night to january eleventh two thousand tonight one of which was the publisher man police to question another witness front seats pagey spotted a man dressed in a fluorescent jackie's from the north to the monitor subsequently fuck when he testified that she sold a male she thought the police were off the outside a home months in lawrence road working with a hunch the men were seeing posting something into a ban on the green only a few hundred meters from the tests express garish the band was used for don't waste over the witness said the us and she saw did not have dark thirty edmonds would also addressed the jiri testifying about some other positions the witness told the cool that's a fruit and only found a pairing nice to have been stolen from the kitchen of big tree kasich june how testimony she tried to make contact with hamlin and she had not seen in the flash up until this point i wasn't the defendant chosen not to look back instead fixing he's gays on these council at the start of december gyrus councils for the defense and prosecution loan with the judge mr justice david clarke descend bumped from a coach johnstone the call to joan kiln light it still remains that way alone tape hall which one hoffman says that when it was head at ten mobile phone which had been stolen from my call teach with found scott in undergrowth a few weeks off the head death the prosecution says it this route that matthew and took off the kidding hats from fig tree called page which is in brand bridge east flee the joy when tones all the sites key to the prosecution's case they were taken to the task of express store in east least twentyfifth road this is where a month the prosecution say it's not you come in with colton cctv trying to withdraw cash using mrs edmonds stolen credit card the jury with them brought to this nearby green line of the same description were seen putting something in a dog don't waste been on the nineteenth mrs edmonds death the stock when today's but it would hit the crescent in east they missed a humbling lift at the time the prosecution says the jury has today traced the steps up miss dominant took after he killed georgina wrapping and in further evidence of the prosecution claimed pointed tomlin's guild cell tower data put his mobile phone in the area where at the time of the murder his mobile fine with detected by cell tower two eighteen pm next big tree and again at three twenty five on three twenty six pm miratory paul still the river rich the following week the jury would hear the voice of messy hamlet you still have not spoken up trying his voice came from a recording obtained while he was in police custody june july two thousand and ten speaking to his mother lend money you tone investigation against him was a witch hunt the team believed he is with some friends a policy deep tallied not disclosed to detectives say solicit toured volleys it could turn out to do more harm than good if we were not true he was saying i haven't done anything mom you know could not do it it's a witch hunt they're trying to fit me up you went on to say i don't know where i was drunk it was two and a half years ago and i can't remember where i was last week of being stuck in itself i eighty ninety hours with nothing to do is driving me matt con sleep i have nothing to rate account watch tv white cup and on grilled by trying to get me to trip up there's only so he's ruined you lost his roommate and i'm sorry mom doing the visit with some been demanding suggested she pine matthews friends a visit to make sure he was at topology one the friends in question woman sarah ripley would take the stand and testify the team january of two thousand tonight she did not nine matthew hamlet officers who had been working the case since january ricci founds in tonight gave testimony and spoke of their frustrations win trying to track down and interview matthew hamlin is ninth us came to their attention in april two thousand tonight but despite a number of cools on visits the his addressed at the time register to a property on harvey row denise lay just over a mile from the eighty am with george gene redmond's ban could have been used no one owns it after speaking to the department of work and pensions officers discovered he had moved to the krizan although again police initially did not receive a response it was decided they would put their request in writing the hamlin made contact he missed his first few appointments it was nothing to this twenty eighth two thousand tonight when he was first interview drink questioning he seemed like he wanted to help and told police that he was a self employed electrician you did not sign either pair of light colored train is or a fluorescent jacket indeed not the victim or relatives you'd only ever used ken lane it's a short count when traveling on denote spent a considerable amount of time that matthew hamlin could not account for his whereabouts on january eleventh two thousand tonight he said he often frequented local pubs the chamber lane arms and era but said he was just is likely he could have been staying with his girlfriend after he was arrested in july two thousand and ten he was off tight policy in reconstruction of a man attempting to withdraw money from tm twentythird road a request he declined jews we shine a video recordings hamlin being interviewed while he was in police custody he told them that she had never been to fig tree kasich and that was my set and they in innocent explanation phase dna being found on the mobile rolling penn so again i'm lynn could not remember way he was on the date georgina redmond's was killed he said why not why didn't murder because i remember something like that but i can't account for my whereabouts specific times indict things like that seem trivial at the time how you handled although in a tree kasich no less mono so you you you officers the question about are you in the habit of holding lowly pay who's someone's called the general question but i but i but i think it's a fair question to ask your investments suspicion of murder and we are signed we the jury cut detective constable david boats until matthew hamlin on eighteen set protect cations the juice to the dna evidence he had been forensically linked to the crime goodwin dc bolton was under cross examination boats him miles away qc the defense counsel said when you say forensically it clearly linked it's misleading is maybe forensically linked scene of crime examiner testify the timely a partial dna profile was found on the rolling pin which did know conclusively prove it was humbling meantime house will swell talk to both of them and so far the police could find no trace of them anywhere else miles lake he's detected combustible david bone to another lang a trap hamlet trying to get they accused provide then explanation for his dna being on the rolling pin the could then be discredited bolton denault like this and said the dss forensic science they were happy for him to use this word when questioning suspect the cool to agenda the christmas period and the stone to the new year ammann's defense counsel put four teams don't given tim miles away qc disagreed with accuracy of the prosecution's theory the messy hamlin committed the crime financial gain due to the nature of they attack whoever killed mrs georgina redmond's committed a violin brutal offense you said the repeated deliberate wins the higher over a period of time we're not concerned in this case with a momentary active violence it's something considerably more violent bruce children not mildly dismissed the prosecution's claimed the tomlin would save laden with debt is driven to kill instead of giving the actress committed by someone who is looking to shift the blame the defense counsel lost jurors if they released the someone would commit such a vicious attack a few hundred pounds on multiple occasions the colts have been played the secret recording of hamlet on his mother in which they discussed his potential whereabouts on the day georgina redmond's with mud the prosecutor describe be instance in which was suggested hamlin's mother visit tease friends to confirm funny story is manipulative and devious behavior jurors would see hamlin on cctv capturing the late afternoon of january eleventh two thousand tonight is he into the signs supermarket market denise like just stay home among sound from the tesco express carriage three miles south the fig tree contagion kim light light to when he took the stand hamlin recalled why he was in the supermarket he'd been buying food free skill friend who is due to be a riding high on january twelfth after stay in plymouth june the ninth week of the trump from the defense cool three witnesses describe the seventy three year old defendant is a caring person knows aggressive these included two of his mother's friends he said the majesty which protective towards his mom a quote friendly chappie have non white bouncing a friend of hamlin's who he would often go drinking where described him as honest and genuine the witnesses visited they accused while he was in custody the day and said that he was quote oviously annoyed forbidding protein prison something but he hasn't done well defense counsel tim mildly qc charge presenting his client is unalterable quiet man who had been cool top in a case of mistaken identity eminem was questioned about the domestic incident in which he struck his girlfriend with annoying board following a disagreement at the end of two thousand tonight matthew hamlin stressed the dna struck he's pond or at least one occasion wall defending himself he explained the gillam friend being confrontational she had mental health problems which led to the document wild admitting he has struck a he told the jury the pair reconcile the next day prosecutor michael bose qc spoke of hamlin's past behavior and said the defendant had admitted to walking the waterways basely when he was in tight state placing him close to the scene and explaining a possible motive however hamlin disputed this sang he had no wall that policy no for a decade news now just over four years to the day since georgina redmond's death in two thousand tonight and the trial for murder which should be coming to an end in his closing statement to winchester shifts the crown code tim miles away qc insisted the prosecution how they know white proved with matthew hamlin the killed georgina recommends you stressed the police had no link the manatee i t m attempting to withdraw cash from the victims account to the man who killed georgina and they said they have no proof that manolas matthew hamlet it was all set only an assumption that the person responsible most local you said the dna evidence did not prove the tomlin was linked to the crime is expos could not conclusively site was him you know i did hamlin undies mother had been trying to seek relief sets up an alibi with his friend what's described as fanciful by the defense council and even if it were true hamlin would have been setting you up for the evening not the day when georgina redmond's was killed so how would that help these calls miles lee addressed the jury said it's fifteen be evidence to ferry building a case against matthew i'm working back from an assumption nazi walls him after the judges judges summing up the jury left to make that decision they should be end of episode six the more on the investigation andy outcome of the trial cleese choon into morrow went to this case will be available thank you for listening and special thanks to our patriot supporters further information please 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267   Genetic Engineering in Animal Agriculture

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267 Genetic Engineering in Animal Agriculture

"Turn welcome to the talking biotech. The weekly podcast but agriculture and medicine with an emphasis on biotechnology. And the good things we can do for people and the planet. My name's kevin polka. I'm your podcast host and western plant biology coming to you from archer florida on the exotic farm and we're going to talk about animal. Agriculture and how biotechnology has or maybe hasn't been able to improve animal agriculture. And we're speaking with dr mark west susan. He's a professor at texas a and m. veterinary medicine in the area. Physiology and pharmacology. So i've been trying to get him on the podcast for about five years and here he is finally so welcome to the podcast dr west. Houston thank you so much can. Yeah this is really cool. Because you're you've been Not just involved in your research work at in your research directly with animal genetic engineering and working with different projects but you also have a very good sense of what's happening. Globally in animal agriculture. So i really wanted to get an idea you know. What is the current state of genetic engineering across livestock and livestock pertaining to the four legged. Ones you know. Maybe not chickens. But we've covered a few on the podcast. But what are the current agricultural animals that are being improved with genetic engineering techniques. Kevin so i would say that almost every livestock species that you can imagine or think of including chickens as you mentioned but if you think about sheep goats cattle pigs and even to some extent horses Our genetic modifications that scientists are looking into to benefit either the animals themselves and or the products that they produce for us. So it's it's it certainly has a lot of potential and there's a lot of work going on in in with all all the different species. Will you named a few different species there. And as a general rule. How is transformation. Don is it the same from goats sheeps pigs horses or is there. Something unique about you know. Different wants the general methodology that she used for genetic modification animals or gene. Editing is essentially the same. And i would say that with the new technologies that we have involving crisper cast meghan. Nuclear aces It can be as simple as collecting an embryo at the one cell stage injecting it with the necessary molecular tools and then Transferring that embryo back into a recipient female to produce genetically modified animal. If the if the modification that you're looking for is more complicated or say you want a very specific promoter on it you want it. The gened only expressed or the the outcome of the of the modification to only show up in a particular tissue. Say milk or something like that then sometimes the modification. The complication of it would require that you would take a cell line Genetically modified the cell line and then do some screening and genetically modified again until you got the proper cell line then use that with nuclear transplantation cloning to produce the desired genotype that looking for but essentially it's the technologies are the same across species. The differences come up a really in controlling the reproductive cycle is the old the older technologies that have been around for a long time I think that that tend to sometimes throw a monkey wrench into the projects. In i worked for instance i work quite a bit on For years on dogs and if anyone wanted to Genetically modified dog is kind of. we're not talking livestock species but the reproductive tract is quite a bit are the reproductive cycle is a lot different and so they can become a lot more challenging. Where do you get the ovaries. Where do you get the embryos how synchronized different things like that. Okay so i. I see that. It's probably kind of the same across most of our barnyard animals. But so let's start with sheep. I really don't know much about sheep i haven't heard much about it. But what approaches are current. What is the problem in sheep first of all and what's being done to solve that problem. There's really no problem with sheep. I think there's a left. Oh i would call it a leftover kind of thought that she difficult to work with because dali was one of the You know first sheep that was cloned and if you look at sheep from a standpoint of clowning they are. They do seem to be very difficult. And i don't think anyone really knows why they seem to be a species. That for some reason The efficiency of cloning doesn't work it. It just doesn't work very well if you compare that. For instance the cattle. Are you compared it to go to some of the other species is just. It's hard to clownish eat. But if you if you get out of the cloning aspect and you say i'm just wanna do genetic editing. We've we've done a lot of genetic editing and cheapen. It works very well. We we use the process. As i said earlier where we just collect embryos at the one cell stage we take them into the laboratory inject our crisper cast to do the modification. We wanted walk back over to the unit. The surgery unit transform back into the cheapen and produced a large number of genetically edited a shape. Genetics are in my lab. The we were looking at was to create a bu- a model for bone disease. And i want to say we obtain like seventy five percent or something like that in terms of editing So it's it's it's really not difficult in sheep in terms of just you wanna do gene editing. But it can be difficult. If you need to use clawing see says it's a lot of interesting very interesting that we would go to something like sheep that don't seem like a major agricultural commodity like like hogs for instance but same thing with goats. You mentioned goats so what's happening in goats. Well it's interesting. I think one of the important things to point out here when you talk about sheep and goats is they may not be important in this country but they're incredibly important in other countries scattered scattered throughout the world If you if you go for instance to australia new zealand and you tell him. Sheep wasn't important. I think they would take offense to that So there are a lot of jeans and genetics and edit gene editing that i think would greatly benefit the industry but goats in particular Goats in particular my focus. Are i think a lot of the focus for them has been on using them more for the production of drugs therapeutics. Vaccines things like that in their milk. Many many years ago. I think one of the things that drove the whole idea of genetic modification of livestock was really founded in the idea of producing pharmaceuticals in in the milk of animals. And if you look at the history of golly dali was really a pure accident and and the focus of that whole program was really to produce alpha anna trips in the milk of sheep. Goats happened be produced more milk in. They're better at producing some of the drugs and things that we would like to produce in genetically modified animals so i think goats but while there are some meat consumption dairy consumption traits that we would be interested in a lot of the dry for genetic modifying in this day and age. I would say probably pharmaceutical production protein therapeutic proteins. Can you give me a couple examples. I can think of quite a few things that have been raised in goats. And what are some of the real standouts. Well there's already we have anti thrombin. Three i think is eighty three which is produced by a company called l. f. b. i. clotting agent that's produced in the Mammary gland or in the milk of goats. there's also a couple of other and it's been approved actually and good on the market for a number of years now There's a couple other products. I can't recall them off the top of my head that are actually produced a translating rabbits the milk of tragedy grab. It's where they milk the rabbits in our lab. We've been working on in collaboration with l. b. for a number of years now malaria vaccine. And we've done some studies to show that the vaccine we produce of in the milk of goats can cause immune responses preliminary tests. That we run. But you know these projects get very. How should i say a complicated and can be very competitive when you get in the world of pharmaceuticals and producing vaccine so that particular project while it has great promises. We really had a lot of trouble. Just trying to get you know funding. We keep it going well if we get away from the pharmaceutical traits and go towards more of the animal traits like you know the the meat production or even if we think about it agriculturally like feed conversion. There always was this trait of double muscled animals. And can you give us an idea of what does that mean. And where do we see it naturally. And what's happening in animals to To manipulate that trait. Yeah well the the. The primary gene people have always targeted mile. Staten and mile. Staten is a negative regulator of muscle development. And if you look across nature you can find a mile. Staten mutations in basically almost every species you look at if you if you dig in the literature deep enough now in certain breeds a cadillac belgian. Blue cattle piedmontese. I think some of the others. They've actually over the years to natural breeding bread. These animals to contain a mutation in the mile statin gene so that they do exhibit increased muscling what they refer to as double muscling. And what you end up with then is an animal that actually produces a lot more muscle. Compared to the fat there are a lot leaner. they produce a lot more muscle. I'm pretty sure are a lot more efficient so they just you know have a lot of really good traits that we would like to incorporate in many of our animals. Now the problem with With that is that. These animals for instance. Sometimes offs also have calving difficulties because their calves are so muscled and big when they come out a lot of they might have to take a c. section. And i think that's one of the things you think about. It can really look at as a beauty of the to being able to genetically modify animals because we could essentially design design processes whereby which the animal might not exhibit a negative negative Effect on muscle development or might not exhibit say mutation in mile. Staten until after it was born. And so you could get a calving would-be normal. And then after that you would you know. Knock out herb. Turn on a specific promoter that within inactivate the gene and caused the benefit of the muscle growth to occur after birth. So there's so many things that we can do this technology Another example might be know just if you think about introducing a gene that into hereford cattle or some of the other catalytic have traits that we really want to sleep. We don't we don't want to dilute the the hereford breed. Let's say if we just take that in half by taking half of all the rest of the genes that we'd have to take. We just did natural breeding. We're only interested in manipulating just a few genes and in this case we're talking about mile. Staten and that's one of the real powers. I think of the genetic modification editing is is to to modify single you know individual genes or maybe just a few genes rather than fifty percent which we would be doing through a natural breathing process. Yes it's much more targeted approach to The question of breeding. Because how what is the station. Time on a on a cow before she can give rise to another calf after. She's pregnant the ads around two hundred eighty five days. I think so pretty close to two hundred and eighty five day nine months so it is quite a length of time in a long term. It when you start talking about generate for instance traits that we see today in cattle have not we have not been able to to get to the point of the traits. We see today in cattle without fifty fifty to sixty years of natural brady and when we and now with the technology that we have to be able to identify markers we can identify genes that have to do with tenderness we can identify. Genes that have to do with fat all these different genes that were now a discovering the ability to go in and manipulate those in a single generation is just profound So you can. You can essentially think about going from forty fifty years of breeding to get to his specific place to now in a single generation. You know caught induced the benefit that you want to or the gene that you'd like to see how much of that is is hastened by artificial insemination art a lot of it is hastened by artifice. Semination matra breeding and so if you historically for instance if you look at when we Scientists figured out how to free semen and actually you could free semen and then use it for artificial insemination. The dairy industry went for instance when they started looking at epa's and sires and really evaluating cyrus for milk production stuff. You know those dramatically increase we went from. Let's say you know. Cows that produce five to six thousand pounds of milk a year up to cows producing close to twenty thousand pounds of milk a year on you know if you look at the the average and across the you know the heard in the in in the in the country but but that still took you know a long time even with artificial insemination it it still not as fast as one could contaminate changes. You could make with genetic modification very good. Well we'll pick back up on this topic after the break. We're speaking with dr mark west. Dussen he's from texas a and m. veterinary medicine. We're talking about the current state of genetic engineering in livestock by takata past. And we'll be back in just a moment. Our numbers keep going up. And that's thanks to you. There's podcast out there for you to listen to get our listenership keeps growing. That's because the best way to grow a podcast is word of mouth. Which is the strange saying. Because any other orifice that generates words well sort of the stats have gone up. Like blue ballots on november fourth and as we approach one point five million downloads in six years. We thank you for your loyalty to this enterprise. Keep up the good work. Tell a friend if you have any left after the election though your family. So they'll have something to do when we don't get together for the holidays. Or if you just want to sulk under the survey by yourself shoot us a few shekels over on the patriot and we'll buy our way into or ears. It's all about sharing volumes and the time when innovation comes fast. You always can count on hearing from the cutting edge here. And now we're back on the biotech podcast speaking about genetic engineering in livestock. Where are we with. Respect to some of the major animal species that are used in commercial agriculture. And speaking with dr mark west houston. He's a professor at texas am university in their veterinary medicine department. And we've had a number of guests on the podcast who have spoken about the innovations happening in harks a lot happening in pigs with respect to disease. So what are some of the major breakthroughs major innovations. In what diseases are they targeted. I think they're targeting a quite a few different diseases but They'll the scientists general looking at those and start looking at those that have obviously the greatest economic impact. One that i'm most familiar with this purrs Which is reproductive respiratory syndrome Porcine reproductive and respiratory syndrome Disease i believe i could be wrong but anyway hers is cost. I rented a little clip on quite frankly dumbfounded on the amount of money that they suggested was lost by this disease. I think the term the figure. I looked at said alluded to six million dollars a day to the pork industry that can be lost by this disease so had seemed a little bit out of line to me in terms of a believable but i think it is believable but it certainly constituted the industry hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars a year in losses due to that disease with pigs dying or pigs not becoming pregnant producing hit are producing piglets. So that's the one. I'm most familiar with but i'm sure there are a lot of other diseases out there that scientists are working on The interesting thing about pigs is There are also used quite a bit for biomedical research models And by a large number research models and. i think that you'll remember one of the ones that i thought was really amazing that that was made. I think at the university of wealth years ago through the using comedy initial methods that we employed for making transgenics was the enviro pig which was better able to use phosphorus or in its diet an ended up being a pig that really put a lot less into our environment. So the point is i think while we can look at Pigs and say. I'm interested in modifying pigs at the resistant to disease because we lose a lot of money and over the years with the pig disease. There are a lot of other really interesting traits that we can think about Also that would benefit In many cases the pig itself and certainly in the case of humans just for pollution environment less fat better fat more healthy. You know the so. I remember that The enviro pick guess. There's still some embryos alive in a doer of liquid nitrogen somewhere but here's a great innovation. That never found the light of day. Yeah i know and it's it's really it's in this day and age. It's really sad you would. You would think that a large group of people would be saying would be parading around and protesting that we get these things out there on. The market don't pollute the waters. Oh yeah but but for the listeners. I think this was probably two thousand and one thousand longtime ago. Yeah twenty some years. We've been in this battle You know to try and take advantage of of the ability to genetically modify animals and one of the things. Kevin is really frustrating to me is how our regulatory system has been set up in terms and i'm sure this is an old story that you've heard of a thousand times but that if if i want to go genetically modify a plant and come up with a new watermelon or a new tomato war new potato The the regulatory issues in the regulation is essentially nonexistent compared to the the loops. We have to jump through to try and get a genetic animal genetically modified so. That's one of the things that in my mind is just never made sense in terms of certainly food production and food consumption is how is it. And why is it that we can genetically engineered plants and crops and things like this and we eat them and they go into our market and no one ever makes much to do about it Yet if i say. I want to produce pig this resistant and produces less fat and is more healthy meat it. It becomes an incredible nightmare to try to put that on the market and sell a pork chop. It's it's amazing. i know. It's really a stifling environment. We've had Dr allison venenum on the podcasts multiple times and she talked about her pulled cattle. Do you have any idea where that project is right now. I do not now. But i think it's pretty much you know the kind of in the same category as just setting out there. Ready to go but It has to be approved by the fda before that would be able to. That animal would be able to go into the market and news. Now i think it is important to point out that recently. The fda has come up with a new category. I guess you would call it. If i can't remember exactly it's like Can't remember the exact word words they use but essentially what have done is. They've opened the door a little bit to allow for the evaluation on a case by case basis of gene editing and gene modified animals. Are jacob modified animals that they then can decide within the industry that do not require you know. They don't require to go through this whole process like they have in the past with essentially mimics that of of getting a drug approved so they can call it basically. Put it in a category two. It's a new category. But it's similar to a minimal risk. A minimal risk category. So for instance glow fisher in that category we peop- the fda's not worried about the company. That's the marketing blowfish A lot of the biomedical models in pigs are in that category but those the the those pigs that are produced there has to be a promise that they do not enter the food chain but essentially as i understand it. What this new category does allow is if someone for instance like alison would come forward and say. I want to sell poll cattle and and they've been genetically edited to be poll. Fda can make a ruling that they don't see any risk involve and they can approve it at without requiring it to go all the way through the drug the normal kind of process that they would put drug through to get approval so there is a mechanism now by which these polled cattle. Maybe cadillac had a mile stat mutation a single mutation that could in nature those kinds of things can be approved very quickly and get on the market but still in the hands of fda to make that call but they don't a huge risk so it's a minor step forward From the standpoint of. I'm sure that fda's going to look at these very hard say well. What's the public think about this. And what's the public require in. What's the public gonna say before. I say yes. You can stop marketing your poll cap but at least they have a mechanism in place. where By now they can do that. That's really different. Because every time i would speak with you know dr venenum. It was all about how these are being regulated as drugs. And then if you change your three point. Six billion bases of an animal's genome. And you change. Eight t in the laboratory now it has to go to a regulatory pipeline that is as or more rigorous than if you were getting a new drug approved. Yes so so now. And this is happening. As i said pretty very recently It's called enforcement. Discretion narrow found it a new category called enforcement discretion for animals that represent low or no risk so the fda has the ability. Now if you say to this enforcement discretion to be able to as an as as an organization i guess from entity to sit back and say without you know they they can they can say you can mark that and not require you to go through all this. But it's still an fda decision you know and so i think it's just gonna take some time to see how this actually pans out They've set up a mechanism whereby we can avoid all this Safety testing and everything. Like we'd have to do for drug but how it's going to actually work. I think is not yet been tested. But that's in the. Us are there other systems in other parts of the world. Say china are they. Are they as rigorous in this and are they really pursuing animal agriculture through genetic engineering. What they're pursuing it Very much so and especially and also brazil south america argentina. A lot of these other countries. And frankly that's one of the reasons that the us and the fda has stepped up to try and come up with new ways to try and regulate this but at the same time allow some of these animals that have minimal edits but right benefits and great characteristics to get on the market because these other countries are are it in contrast to previous say times when they would look to fda for guidance and kind of follow the fda rules. they're they're allowing these animals go to the market so they're already able to market. I think animals in brazil. I think for instance one i read about recently was gene called slick Slick it's a company called comdex. I think it is that has it. I slips gene has been shown to help with the heat. Tolerance for instance and. i'm. I'm confident that that those cattle and the way the other countries are looking at this their disapproving him and they're going to go on the market and the issue is is You know that those not only gonna go on the market and they're gonna be pushed through there'll be some more probably horn list is gonna show up soon in these other countries and stuff like that but there's really no way when once that happens that we can't say beef from south america is not going to be imported back in the united stage and we've kinda just defeated the whole purpose or shot ourselves in the foot if you think about it because now we're importing beef that already has these these edits modifications allowing other countries to do it because we can't regulate it with what they're doing but won't let our own farmers and breeders do it so it's it's kind of doesn't make any sense but i think that the fda's movement toward these new categories and having the ability is in many ways a response to the other countries saying we're going forward we're not gonna. We're not going to regulate this. That's really a kind of a funny coincidence. We were just talking about slick this week. I was on a committee of a student who did her dissertation on a brand in he tolerance. And what we're all the genes that were involved in their hair length so there you go goes full circle. I guess the the the thing that concerns me though is when you have everybody else racing ahead and it's great that the us kind of got caught up. Maybe there will be a more streamlined system. Going forward but if you could kind of wave your magic wand as a scientist who studies this area in come up with one innovation that you would like to see go to market. What would that be. That's a really difficult question in a way one innovation. I would think you know kind of just what were what we've kind of based conversation on. I think that we have got to loosen the ropes and let these at for sure. These animals that have been modified genetically modified animals. That certainly You know we're looking at mutations that we've induced mutations that that are we find in nature could find in nature and a very easy way. that they would that would be allowed to get on the market right away because an and i think a lot of the disease resistance things also i. I'm i think that there's just no evidence in my mind that there's anything that's related to things we've done with genetic engineering animals over the you know if you look at the first mouse with genetically engineered nineteen in the nineteen eighties. You know so. It's like i just in my career. Never seen anything that alarmed me that i thought why. Why would you be so concerned that this is going to have a major effect on You know the health and welfare of animals and or the health and welfare of humans especially in light of the all the process in the progress that has been made with plants and crops. It just it just seems rather ridiculous to me. So i think i don't. I think i'm kind of dancing around your question. But i think the innovation in itself is is a big would be just the simple move to allow us to genetically modify animals at for food production using the same types of regulatory rules if you will that have allowed the the introduction of genetically modified plants and crops into the into our environment. Yeah we'll have even better than that because if you talk to people who are developing crops through transgenics. It still has a long road and really expensive and you know granted gene. Editing is probably making it a little bit better but you know but to me. I think about what's happening right now in the world with african swine fever virus with purrs. You know these poor seen or hog related of viruses that just take a tremendous toll that i heard something like fifty percent of the pigs in china were euthanized last year. And you know. I don't know if that's true or not but we certainly know that. These diseases have really profound impacts. That probably can be alleviated with genetic engineering. Oh i think so. And you're undoubtedly you're correct the poorest the pigs is a big target on market that could that could benefit from this technology and i think one also has to take it a step further and say you know what when. You're talking about pigs for instance. What are we missing a opportunity wise and war war that we should be looking at in terms of genetic engineering when when you start to think about the diseases that higgs could get and because we don't we didn't genetically modify those pigs so they didn't get sick. The pigs not only got sick but now they transferred the disease and now humans have gotten sick because we didn't take advantage of the technology. So it's it's certainly You know there's a lot of opportunities out there. A lot of i think how shall i say dangers. That were taking or risks that we're taking by not employing this technology by not genetically engineering. I i had a professor one time. That said you always have to doing risk assessment of something. You know. it's easy to ask the question of what's the risk if we do it. But there's also the other side of the risk. What's the risk. If we don't and i think a lot of times people will ignore that. Second half of that equation. What's the risk. If we don't employ these types of technologies that we move forward in this world excellent advice and probably a really good note to go out on. I really appreciate having the time to talk to you about this. Because it gave us such a good update on what's happening across the board in animal agriculture. So thank you very much for joining me today. I really appreciate jerk. Thanks thanks for having me and thank you for listening to the biotech podcasts. Always share with friends Talk about animal agriculture. And some of the beautiful things we can do that really help us be better keepers. Animals help us be better. Animal husbandry animal welfare. Animal care so much of what we could do in terms of making animal life. Better come from better genetics. Control so talk about that with some friends right a review on i tunes and thank you again for listening to combat. We'll talk to you again. Next the talking i over. Podcast reflects the personal view of boxer. Kevin pulp and guests are not the views of the university of florida. It's faculties four students ball after all it is science soul. They probably are but has to be clear that there is no university affiliation with this podcast which is a damn shame but i. That's our goals. So feel free to share this science communication effort for gal support us a few shekels over on patriarchs we invest all funds back into promotion of the podcast to widen the audience enhanced production an expand science communication efforts in many ways. 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We're Stuck in Two Mortgages! (Hour 1)

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We're Stuck in Two Mortgages! (Hour 1)

"Live from the headquarters of ramsey solutions broadcasting from the dollar car rental studios. It's the dave ramsey show where debt is dumb cash is king and the paid off. Home mortgage has taken the place of the bmw as the status symbol of choice. Ken coleman ramsey personality number one bestselling author and host of the. Ken coleman show expert on jobs and careers and finding your passion in your career. Field is my co host this hour. So if you've got questions about your life your career your money. We're here to help you. With every part of that. And you can be guaranteed. I've got an opinion about all of it. I am expert on my opinion open phones at triple eight eight to five five to five. That's triple eight eight to five five two two five so coleman you and Rachel cruze have been elected by the rest of the ramsey personalities to be the most likely to be political freaks on sunday. Yeah well it's true in fact I just finished the ken. Coleman show had about a six minute break. 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Freaks i'm no question open phones at triple eight eight to five five to five as we talk about you and your life something that we can actually control. Tyler is with us in houston texas. Hey tyler how are you dave. They are better than we deserve. What's up first off. Before i heard about the whole day ramsey i've got a consolidation loan. Roughly about two years ago it was for Ten thousand and pay down on it about seven thousand and my question to you is. Should i start tang on that. Loan payoff paying. You'll be in default. Why would you stop paying on. Because it's it's she's hurting the cash flow that i have now 'cause right now roughly where me and my wife were indebted about fifty one thousand and majority of that is cars and we had Now let's talk to you. There's a possibility you're confused. Is this a loan. You took out or did you sign up with a debt consolidation company. That's collecting payment from you and then working your debts down. Yeah well yeah. It's from like lending club it's It was awesome. Okay you have you. Have you now a personal loan for ten thousand dollars regardless of why you took the loan out if you don't pay it they're gonna sue you. You're just gonna go bad on the loan of course not yours. I'm not gonna tell you do that. So what would be the next step into going and paying off. You know. I m getting out here. Fifty one thousand dollars in debt and ten thousand of it is this. What's the other forty one vehicle on. Okay and what's your household income of about one hundred grand a year and you forty-one thousand dollars worth of cars if trick a lot. Yeah you thought about selling one of them. We thought about it But i mean So i mean we thought about that but that i mean how would go about selling it. you put up for sale outright sale. This yeah i mean you owe more on it than it's worth and that's what you mean. Well no i mean. The i mean did that what i'm trying to say like. How do we go about selling. I mean just put a sticker on our yard and as for sale. Yeah you listed on traders traders I would yes the list. Whatever you sell a car. You never sold a car. I mean yeah. I'm i'm an all sorts of carbon. I mean it's a new car. I mean a lot of people. Have you know you know. Eighteen thousand cats just ready to drop on a new car. You did so. There's lots of people out there that'll do that. They go to the bank get alone. Buy your car from you so you need to put up the most expensive of the two cars and get them. Get a sold one of the car. It's twenty seventeen hundred tacoma and twenty eight twitter territory. Okay so the tacos probably the expensive one on probably drop the taco gotcha. And here's the thing man. Your problem is you can't make your payments and you call me on how not to make a payment while you have to very expensive car sitting in your driveway. Because you've got almost a thousand dollars a month in car payments don't you. Yeah and this is. What's killing you. So i'm not against the talk. Oh my you know. A couple of my family members got them. They're pretty that's what we call them. Anyway the tacoma's or the really really good trucks actually Toyota makes a good product but Doesn't matter if you can't afford it and so pretty simple math transaction here The time that you were on the car lot you said i. I think i can afford those. You were wrong and so now you're selling it and you're admitting it and that gets you some your cash flow back and you get a junker to drive until you get these. Two deaths cleaned up the other car. And the ten thousand dollars. And i think you have to To work your way through. This davis always gets me. So i i was looking. I'm always looking at you. Know older cars and things like that. Have kind of kind of fun little thing. I like to just see what's out havoc eight. Oh god i do have a great cards farm and geico thing the nineteen seventy-two. Yeah volkswagen karmann ghia. But i. But i've looking around and you'd be surprised. At how many good older. Toyotas take a a two thousand three or two thousand and four or five camry. You'd be surprised at how reliable they are car and you can go get those and that young couple could have two very reliable cars for ten grand or less. And i'm not exaggerating. I don't. I mean not exaggerating daveramsey. My son drives a taco. Yeah i think that'd be ten years old. I'm driving a two thousand six lexus. He doesn't care that has thousand miles on. He was wearing this big. Because i'm a big car guy and he's not oddly enough Otherwise we would trade out of a fifteen year old or ten year old truck or whatever the thing is but he's like i don't know what car i would guess that better driving it. Yeah you know. And it's great truck. It'll go anywhere so yeah it's just a matter of what you can afford and what you're gonna force what you can pay cash for and if you didn't pay cash for by definition you can afford it and that's what we're dealing with. Thanks for the call. This is the dave ramsey. show If you really want to win with money you have to learn to spend less a great tool. That's helping my listeners. Save money is called honey. Honey is a free online shopping tool that finds some of the best promo codes and applies them to your cart for you one listeners. Almost every time i shop online honey saves me anywhere from ten to thirty percent and allows me to put that extra cash towards my data at honey to your browser today. Go to join honey dot com slash ramsey. Ken coleman ramsey personality. Is my co host today. Here on the air open phones at triple eight eight to five five two two five at lisa's in buffalo new york. Hi elise how are you. Hey now hear me. Absolutely what's up so i Person huge fan of those viewing. Ken love their network. And i guess you guys can help us with Like a minor disagreement. My husband and i are having Sheila both twenty five and more on maybe step two right now and we live in new york and we're just wondering do we need to get a well right now or to leave way here And get one one chore done with baby step two We only have one act and if our car and both of our names are on it so we're just wondering we yet needle will and our situation. Yes you need a will. Everyone needs a will. That's an adult because you otherwise you get tangled up trying to get his name off the car if he dies and if you have will states that you walked right through probate and it doesn't take two years to sell the stink in car because the getting the title straightened out the will does that. The will gives the court clear instructions on that. And if you let's say that you didn't have an asset which is what you're talking about other than the car. But maybe his mother thought you did and she decided she wanted to be one of the heirs. And there's no will now. You're in an argument with his mother about an asset that doesn't even exist but she is under the illusion that it does and this is all this kind of crap is cleared up. When there's a will thank you. It's worth the go you know. You don't need an expensive detailed state plan but it's worth going to mama. Bear legal forms dot com spending a hundred bucks and you guys have a very clear thing then and the other thing that has if both of you die what happens to your to your to your stuff and so what you get an inexpensive way to do a wheel and especially in your situation as what's called a mirror image will this is. This is what happens if he does. This is what happens if she dies. And the exact same thing happens if we both die in both wills and so it sounded like like you. Leave everything to him if you die. He leaves everything to you if he dies. And if we both died. I'll goes to mama or whoever what brother whatever it's going to okay and you just. It's a very clear thing. It's just cleanliness thing and it it it. It's not probably going to change your life if somebody passes away but it will lower the hassle factor by thousand percent. And that's what you run into. Can we've run into some really particularly egregious. Will situations hers is not lately a lady called the other day and on the air here and after seven years of marriage her husband had not changed his will and had not changed the beneficiary on his life insurance and so her husband died and they've got two kids and all the money went to his dad. Oh no the good news was his dad being graham. Paul says i'm gonna give it all back to you but they're trying to figure out how to do that without the tax problems that creates and so it's just one of these subjects that nobody wants to talk about and everybody has to talk about. Sarah is with us in oklahoma city. I sara. Welcome to the dave ramsey. Show hi dave. Thank you so much for taking my call. Sure and i'm alone our ten. They did I we own currently Three rental properties And we have all the other to pay for Sort of our houses made where we check out like bharata. Gas insert home to one of the only. Get your phone's breaking up. I'm gonna put you on. Hold until kelly can get you straightened out angers us in london in the uk. Hi good thank you. I hope you are as well we are. How can we So my question is Like you. I'm allergic to have the money to the government and in the uk. We have something called an is which works like a roth in the us. It's not related to your pension to. What i was thinking of doing was before i start throwing money at my mortgage to use. My twenty thousand pound allows that i can put into that every year so that over the course of my life i will use a more of that allows and had less money to the government And thereby have more money for myself. I'm i'd like your opinion on that. I'm confused as to how this works. You pay twenty thousand pounds to who so essentially it's essentially attach So you putting it into a specific account that has certain tax protection from the uk law which means that just like a rough. It grows tax free. So you use that. You paid into an account operate effect for you can come feel you pay your taxes on your income and then once it grows in that whatever you having their past week for the rest of your life okay wonderful so it's very similar then all right. Yeah so what what that sounds like. It would do fall in what we call here in our baby steps baby step four and that's put fifteen percent of your income away Into that anything. Above that i would throw at your home and get your home paid off before i maxed that out. So you have a maximum of twenty thousand pounds but this twenty thousand pounds more than fifteen percent of your household income. Well i'm already. I'm already doing that in the the pinch. In which is the official pension thing which has other additional protections which is a bit more like your 401k so that hasn't protections in terms of either up and things like that then i would get the house paid off if you've got control of that the pension and you're putting fifteen percent of that. I would not do the first one you ask about until you get. The house paid even if that means paying more taxes over the course of my life correct. But you're gonna pay off your home fairly quickly. it's not the course of your life. I mean how long is it gonna take you to pay off the house if you lean into it well I live with a one bedroom in london. The costs four hundred thousand pounds so he will take a few years. How long five. Ten pending foxworth everything. After i'd say okay it's not really the course of your life then it's just ten years and then you would load up the other stuff and so You know the point being that we need to put what regardless of the system. We're using. I a substantial amount once we're debt free except for the home substantial amount into retirement but not so much that we can't get the homepage off fairly quickly because if you can own that flat in london free and clear that's a nice asset or at least in years past it has been And we can tell by the cost of it that it has been London being one of the more expensive cities in the world to live in london tokyo Used to be manhattan when it was there and But i mean these are unusually expensive real estate on a worldwide scale. So that's what you're facing. But i i i see what you're doing and that's what i would Stick with. And that's how i would push we get questions like this a lot dave. What's the psychology there because this is a very bright man here and obviously he's he's doing really well The psychology of well Should i pay the flat off. Or i want try to reduce my tax burden and i understand it. I hate taxes with a passion. I mean deeply deeply hate government control in taxes. But there's a psychological thing there where we kinda tend to focus on the thing that seems to be the irritant not the better overall strategy. And he's not alone. What's going on there in our minds. Well in the us. Obviously if you load up your 401k with a traditional you're limiting your lowering the tax bill in roth. You're not lowering your tax bill after tax dollars going in gross tax free which would recommend roth anyway. But back to your question you know. I want to take the tax advantage. And i want to be an investor More than i want my homepage off right. And so what that means is most people not necessarily with anders. I don't know but with most people that means they've come to accept that a mortgage is always going to be there might as well invest. But if you had this idea. I'm going to get rid of that thing While i put some away we'll get rid of it and then when it's gone that's big right and that's the that's different. It is a it is a psychological thing shift in the way. You're viewing really well so we just assume well the mortgage are going to be there someone to focus on other. I really need to invest in that case. that's good. yeah. Ken coleman ramsey personality my co host. Today you wanna talk about careers and jobs. He's here and we'll answer your questions about your life in any area. This is the dave ramsey show and ken. Coleman ramsey personality is my coach today. You're on the air as we talk about your careers. Your money. Your life and jennifer. We're going to talk about jennifer jennifer's in austin texas. Hi jennifer how are you hi. I'm doing well. How are y'all great. I see on my screen. You're debt free congratulations. I am thank you so much. So how much have you paid off. I paid off a little over sixty three thousand good for you. And how long did this take. It took about fifteen months for you and your range of income. During that fifteen months i started out making around seventy five base salary To seventy nine wish side. Hustles and Bonuses add you twenty to thirty grand more to that. So i think i ended up around three thousand one hundred ten thousand. Wow you're kicking it good for a living. I am technical writer. Okasha side hustles. Okay in the side. Hustles were were freelancing. Oh man i did everything. I started out dog-walking and sitting. I whenever somebody posted anywhere if they knew anybody who did anything. I basically like asked for forgiveness instead of permission and said i knew how to do it. Figured out along the way The biggest financial Impact with me selling other people's stuff for a commission. Oh good for you okay. Yeah we're gonna ebay or the craigslist route okay. Yeah facebook marketplace's my go-to good. That was sixty three thousand well. Nineteen thousand of it was a car and then forty. Four thousand was credit card debt. Did you sell the car. I that's an interesting story. I did sell the car The nineteen thousand. I was in the middle of paying it down and then of in a little bit of a bad relationship and my shot the car so there were some. There was some credit card that put toward that. Fix the car in order to sell it but selling a car with bullet holes in. It was a little difficult. This is an ex that needs to be axed. Yeah he was axed. Wow goodness gracious. Well that kind of seals the deal just in case. You're wondering about what you're supposed to do. This relationship holds will tell you that. Oh my gosh unbelievable. So you got rid of the car bullet holes and repairs and some extra credit card debt and but nineteen thousand of the sixty. Three goes that way wrist of it. You just hustle hustle hustle. Yeah a fully understand the ramifications of trusting someone else with my finances and it was a really toxic relationship I'm actually the frugal person and relationships and it was a very costly mistake. But i wasn't looking at income. Statements was being naive and just let somebody else handle it and realize forty four thousand dollars later that i had made a huge mistake. So bullet hole. Buddy ran your run your credit cards up then yeah And the only reason. I thought it was my my job at the time was liquidated and i started looking for other jobs and i realized how bad it was and so i reached out to family and found a job and my aunt and uncle. Let me live with them. Helped me get out of that relationship and just start figuring out finances good for you. Well done you've changed your whole life upside-down jennifer. I want to ask you. What was your emotional state. Obviously this is a toxic re was a toxic relationship. And you discover all of this and that has to be shocking and traumatic in. Its own right. Oh your emotional state like when you started the debt free journey and compare that to what it's like now after you've paid off at last debt you know when i started out i. My emotional state was all over the place. I mean i was devastated. Whenever you get out of a relationship. I feel like you know it is the death of something. Even if it's the right thing for you to do It was really difficult for a lot of reasons and Toxic relationships are cyclical. So i felt just like a victim. And like i had no control in like i was reckless And so getting out of debt was wasn't just for myself and my future of my future but was also for me to feel completely On from the relationship that i was in getting like fuel power. Yeah exactly yeah exactly good for you. I'm proud of you. Bet your mom and dad are proud of you. They are Luckily said you moved in with bet they are. Oh my gosh Can it's all about the principle right. You are the aggregate of the people that use round yourself by so when i realized i needed to surround myself with great people. I did that my circle got smaller. And you know my boyfriend. My aunt my my new boyfriend. Sorry my aunt. My uncle my best friend sister-in-law brother mom dad i would. I would be here without them but it would be way way harder and nearly as glorious the old metaphor of some traction subtracting negative people people that are toxic people. That aren't on the same page is you. It's really huge. Exactly good for you Well so what do you tell people. Now that you've been through all of this transformation and the money piece was kind of in the middle of it are. What do you tell people the key to getting out of debt is i. I know a lot of people talk about sticking to a budget and you know staying dedicated. I totally agree with that. But for me my foundation was forgive us and it wasn't just forgiving but but forgiving myself for putting myself into this situation and anytime resentment would creep back into that. You know. Recklessness would ensue i would i would purchase. Something emotionally usually was like brownies or something sweet that i didn't need to have as well but I realized that by you know having hate in your heart. It's like drinking poison expecting the other person to die right. Well you're just hurting yourself and hurting what you could be if you're not forgiving yourself. That's so good dave impressive. very impressive. very impressive well. I mean you. Getting out of debt is a small part of your overall equation. It's a it's an outward symptom of ear or healing in your strength that get you got back and your dignity that you got back and walking away from the shame that you were shaming yourself even what you're saying right Oh yeah. I think You know it there to two sides to every coin right so you flip the coin. And i felt like i was ebeling and i could have done x y and z. And you know. Hindsight is twenty twenty so looking back. You're you're looking at your decisions and you're like man. I could've done that so differently in my life would have been so much easier. But you you kinda you know. The windshield is bigger than the rear view mirror. For a reason you need to keep looking forward. Just make sure that that that rear view mirror. Isn't you know nothing's creeping up on you absolutely incredible. Well done well done. We've got a copy of chris. Hogan's book for you every day. Millionaires that is the journey that you're on that's the next chapter in your story I think we've just seen the beginning of what jennifer is going to become absolutely incredible very very aright is jennifer and austin texas sixty. Three thousand dollars in fifteen months making seventy five all the way to one ten with the side hustles. Count it down. Let's hear a debt. Free scream. three two one. She threw her head back. I don't know if you could hear that. She got away from the phone. 'cause she let it rip rid of forty two thousand dollars in three bullet holes. Oh my gosh. What a transformation. What a jerk. Tot up yes. This is unbelievable. yeah While and coming out or something like that when you're when you've not been around anything like that coming out of something like that for those of you know as a big deal. It's a really hard process and once you've done that getting things really not art when she said forgiveness. I hope you folks locked in on that. Forgiving yourself is huge. We have to remind ourselves. We forget that we are the person we listen to the most. The most influential voice in our lives is the voice in our heads and twenty twenty four seven. What a phenomenal lady. She is is the dave ramsey show. ken coleman ramsey personality is my co host this hour as we talk about your life and your money this day the phone number triple eight eight to five five. Two two five are also taking calls about your careers. You wanna talk taylor is. I'm sorry andrea is with us in denver high. Under how are you. hi david. How are you in ken. Good how can we Well i please don't yell at me. my husband and i Are we got ourselves into a really big math and more paying for a really big way and the worst part about it is when you better we were on maybe four or five for five and six And we decided that we wanted to buy a house on some property that needed a lot of fixing up So we bought it and we had about thirty five thousand dollars in savings to work on the house while we were waiting for our old property fells that was mistake number one Got into our house defied. All the odds. I feel like in the in the area that we're in really good neighborhood really good house. We have some really weird things happen and a day before we were supposed to close on this house. The deal fell through So now colorado that really really cold and couldn't live there the way that it was so we moved back into our old house and just out of crossroads because now we have two mortgages The house that we were fixing up we got down to studs and ran out of money. Because i didn't want to spend our emergency fund and then we have a ton of emergencies that during the down to about three thousand dollars and that's why we're sitting at right now so We have a ton of friends and family are speaking into our lives about what we should do. But we feel like we've lost our centered and we would just wondered quote with dave ramsey in our situation. You've got a hard year. Yeah it's it's been really rough that you know. We put ourselves in our in that situation again. We knew better. No consolation is still sucks. Okay so your current residents is worth that you're living in is worth what Thirty the offer that we had was three forty five. We've put on the market for about three fifty. And what do you owe on it. One hundred and seventy seven okay. All right And the Money pit house. how much owed on it We bought it for three fifty we to eighty on that. And how much is the budget to finish the repairs We believe they would probably about the fifty or sixty okay And what are they going around the issues. What the issue without as we would have enough to do that with the sale of this house but we also borrowed from his grandmother to the down payment on the farm which is seventy garfield after we pay her. And we sell this house if we to continue to go that route We would have enough. Finish the house Okay and what is that house worth after you spend fifty thousand dollars on it My real estate agent and we've had a few other people contractors and not speak into it and that location is amazing. it's on thirteen acres. What does the worth when you spend fifty thousand dollars on it. We think it would be worth between four fifty and five hundred so you get to do what you wanna do. Which is what you've done so far you ask what i would do. I would sell your home. I would move into a rental. I would complete the renovation and then sell that piece of crap and then i would pay your grandmother back and go buy another house. This house is not a dream. The second one. It's a nightmare. Parts of wine. Sold yourself on it and let yourself down this path where you got the crap beat out of you is are still in your brain. It's a great location. I don't care if it's a great location. The house sucks. The whole story sucks and as long as you live in that house twenty years from now all you're going to remember. Is this horrible story. You're never going to enjoy that house. Fix it and sell it with the money you get from your house while you're renting and then go buy something else and get gremaldi paid off and then you get to have never again moment and you know it's an ever again moment is don't you. Do you never get stupid crap like this right. Yeah that's what i had. When i went bankrupt. I had never again moment. Never again my borrowing up to my eyeballs. Because i was doing. What's your what you're did but i did. It was zeroes on the. Because i was stupid and a phd. Be so you're just a little bit. You just tiny dumb compared to how i was but you gotta learn your lesson and you got to cut the emotional garbage loose from this thing because there's no way i'm living in that house. Not after your family. I mean this thing. His own ju- emotionally for twenty four twelve months. Overlong ever since you owned it its own. You the flip side to this andre. If you hear it dave saying is there is a way out of this and you feel as though they're on the way you're reacting understand your discouraged but davis gave you a very clear way to get out of this. It'll work and i agree with you dave. But here's what they've got to focus on a new desire future. It's no longer that place now. It's wait a second. There's other great spots out out in their area in denver. Colorado you kidding me. We also figured out. I'm already also has figured out. I'm not a rehab. Her that's right. That's why i don't need to do research. And they were already in five and six. You need to buy a house move into. That's right and not even a closet needs painting no more renovations for you. They erase this and start on a new canvas. It's gonna hurt. Yeah they've lost right. They're actually probably going to end up netting a profit when all the smoke clears the way. I saw the numbers. Yes they come out of this real relatively financially unscathed than just the emotional embarrassed and ashamed. That's right that's Know and some scars from that. There's this beg you having done what i do for thirty years. And having real estate. I've owned thousands of pieces of real estate over two thousand pieces of my life. Not fix this house and move in it. You will hate it. It will never feel right because of what it is done to you in always be this reminder of the dumb thing i did trevor time you walk through that hallway every time you you just don't do it is the please you do you want to but i mean i try to get rid of things that remind me of my stupidity and the other things around that remind me of the time i was smart. True and here's a that's right and they don't have to you. Know live this the rest of their life. they can go all right. We did this thankfully we got out of it and now let's go find another thing let's rebuild and let's find another great vision and let's go after that and and that's the key they've got a sever the emotional tide of the steel. And here's the thing it's a house. There's houses everywhere areas no unicorn property. There's just not. I mean there's not a property says there's never been when i mean there's about ten properties in every city that might qualify for that other than that most of it. You can probably replicate. I'm just a house on every corner. You can figure this out. So i would cut all of it loose. Start fresh calling it an adventure call it today. The good news is you're not losing a half million dollars and having to start over on your wealth building. You're actually probably going to come out with a net net net profit after grandma after the renovations after the recoup of thirty five you spin out of your savings and the sale both properties. All of it back in a pile. I think if i if i heard the numbers right. You're going to come out okay. So it's just an emotional process and this hour kind of had a theme of like forgive yourself. I was gonna yell at her know matter her. I'm not in ya you. You've been yelling at yourself. A lot louder than i have. But don't don't try to halfway through this you'll miss. It'd be a mistake clean slate. Rip the band aid. Get a fresh start. Thanks to james childs producer. Kelly daniel associate producer and phone screener. I am dave ramsey your host and we'll be back. This is james childs producer. Of the dave ramsey. Show once again. You made the dave ramsey show one of the top four most popular podcast last year. To get your daily dose of motivation and inspiration from the ramsey network. Subscribe or follow today. Wherever you listen to podcasts. Feel like you're in a rut and living life just going through the motions build confidence in yourself and learn to trust the god who created you. 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#232 - Levelling Up

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It's cutting into your exercise time it stabbing you in the back nine and it's attacking your peace of mind it's pain and it's getting in between you oh hello there welcome back to the Agassi knows English show with me your host Agostino Zinger this is episode number two free who does that as those SOS me Agostino your host coming from from Londres or because a well rested is a muscle memory thing or military muscle memory where the fact I'm writing it down a kind of drills into my little bit more interested into my brain a little bit more so than you're living in an African household living conservatives have holiday of family and stuff and they will happy church fanatics stuff you know God bless my parents but not for me right now but at the time so I'm GonNa end my servant Turbo on the night of November so if you guys are still hanging on that that far ahead into the new Inter November and let me know being commerce today get Pacific about what you're going to write how is going to be what is accessible you was that Bam Minimum Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah by allowed to do that price list of me I think it's a motor goal setting ability ability doesn't think nothing about Chechen I think it was really good for me when I first started when I was younger living at home you know you have no choice really without coming intuitive right you go to make a dreams episode of it was all Bush's on bills what kind of my very nonsense about the idea of writing a list and before the head up to work so I'm going to bank for the topics that I have today but feeling good appealing amazing this is now day two of my experience as I mentioned yesterday the study there was a reflection reflection biologic came in the form of writing stuff down the way too right because I remember even remember when smartphones I'd have back down our we've led to be on my phone right your mom we'll take your front away from you you have to concentrate to the preacher at this what they're saying you have to take notes you go to kind of like a being Pacific in what what you're right like you say to do list better right to do this look just right out of Sa is Radon Malarkey you good you good looking at you I'm looking at here quick good hope you're good hope you're I'm feeling amazing I've just come back from amazing run GONNA get as quickly Dan was to write things down to make a list of those kind of what it called what it could spare Ti- pre-bus they called prosperity peaches kind of people hey how many how many paragraphs to write what you exactly what to write about us good as good to do this to her rump route and you end up doing more than just writing kind of blanket island name one thing that I loved that was really really impactful was this idea of stillness where it was his idea of enforced prayer where you go to a place and you print Sunday you're not allowed to be d- thinking about doing something even you know I'm still most of you guys have got so far we just shut up and listen to supermarkets using your notes APP on your phone the moment you right like the other vitamin looks up I think I remember it I used agent forget it I thought he was a shop so I've decided to go back to my old going on holiday I went away by a blind sheikh hit up installing nine days a few days before off they started disobedience alumina higher Phelan but I made a list of Duke I've mentioned this I was GonNa do that and I think making this stuff and writes off down is really important by since she I've got seven over goes I want to achieve in the mobile Tober so the number one is two hundred ninety pounds which is going to be about overpaid a time they just couldn't compete at just their foes just kind of get back to actually reading a good book in Your Hands Right that tactile feel came to whether long way about wanting to be less sequence which is awesome I'm Tom About one or two hundred eighteen of about fifteen point free stones and I WANNA get down to one ninety by the end by the end of the Syrup Tub experience what's up stones let me update you guys could lead to what is in stones units meas- is plus ICAL is the applicant may be due this morning and I'm finally down to two hundred eighteen power which is a fucking amazing I'm so happy I finally got under the two twenties up into twenty for ages right so now by the is GonNa be permanent night which is limited my member So I WANNA get down two hundred ninety pounds see on the camera Debo bum which is about thirty who as it's not the right things down now going tyler stuff I'm writing here so this is my life. This is my kind of Serb October list helped to come to you guys in Beta podcast app they put you on the train at least five to six times per week right so that's going to be running three times a week free miles each each running at least three miles minimum oh come loose weight host hundred eight hundred ninety pounds right hundred ninety pounds is but he employed by stokes at the moment wait myself and I'm going to go to a gym teacher Freetown's a week which included the weights and Elena do one hour Spanish language learning a day which is going to include your lingo is going to include because I'm out my friends I don't have that kind of I don't want to just be I don't have that comprised situation get tempted I feel like I'm damaging gene point was that thirteen point five stones which is going to be incredible I'm the second family to do a misdemeanor or the train put him this stuff up until the night of November two thousand nineteen should be that shouldn't have calculation counter counter is GonNa be night from November let's see let's say for she been for November one to two shit my November should be right if ever should be a C- day you'd have to use whatever else I have buddies who saw stuff everyday of sixteen point eight interests and fos thanks about what days I'm going to drinking I don't have the needs to kind of break my Fox because I'm DJ going out I have to break my I have to kind of change the way our diet all changed the way into it did you want people talking about Lebanon so randomly at story pops up about calling Rooney and Brecca videos like what I was never calling Rooney ooh the night fright says say the Ninth Year of October until if you haven't before route list get that list down there right something they wanna do and then once you do that you have a good way of knowing exactly where you stand they'll be playing for Belbey by a very very big superstar in terms of football in the UK but he's not he doesn't it's also do so I think that's my update for that word and yeah call way from a call I can't wait for the results at the end the decision they knew it let's move on in uh and we have here if I dare so should be the same so on on that side is what I'm GonNa get loose citing midnight but yeah I'm looking for to get down to a good way I think outlived the podcasts everyday see my face shrinking shrinking shrinking which is going to be quite cool to see it overrun is going to be in a much better place in terms of my over mind body and get some topics before I have to head off to work so number one calling Rooney beaver covad won an absolute madness have you guys been keeping an eye on this this is something that I saw food so because I'm not drinking I'm probably won't be out up over to make an excuse to go home or through your friend Jackson deep out so that will be easy to do during the whole month it will still be a challenge the judge but she's for me in my opinion a Super Silverado die white because he halted down doesn't mean listen to the outside world and essentially I'm sure behind the scenes she definitely does so right I'm reading a lot as well of those books on radio WLOB's side reading ride holidays new book I slowed us is the kiosk me going up I'm looking forward to it and so now I recommend everybody doesn't necessarily reciprocate that thing in terms of public embarrassing up and it doesn't and it probably seems to involve lend their opinion but I'm very buddy maybe then she might decide to go somewhere else until then she's probably just seeing as this is just a a man act like a man and she's having an agreement I don't know the more that she says you're not gonNa tell what to do she's just completely headstrong doesn't really bend off owed and kind of of the at probably of the thinking that you know very unfortunate uncomfortable and quite embarrassing situations where you know the public you know laying on top of her and telling her what she do with her marriage as a very interesting argument because coach infidelity cover story because she's kind of gone for about a bit of ring up you don't know who calling Rooney is if you're outside of the UK she's the wife of a very famous reunions right that we as you can see from her face on camera faint I'm not my face get a little bit more slim than it was previously end of a month's audio Vitas I had a good thing to watch back on the videos attenborough ruling that she's Kinda stuck to council and meant a remained incredibly low I e low and the more it was the more the more people tell her to leave way Rooney your Duggan but he's very considerate of his wife since he doesn't really have a she's not in front of his mind when he's doing he's doing these fun time so she tends to be put ailing holding the house down being he supposes look after their children just being the kind of like you know the Quintessential Footballer's wife just polled and shit down back our home base seems for a few years now someone who trusted to follow me on my pedestal instagram account has been criminally involved in the Sun newspaper of my private posting stories this has been so much ruining has effectively been a ride or die Y for Rooney since the beginning of time rises we known away has she's been by his side the following it says this has been a burden in my life for a few years now and finally got to bomb us a few years it's been happening she'd been kind of keeping yourself she says he had followed. I don't think a lot of people would be able to do whatever you had the foresight to have done such this tweet I think yesterday right got gotTa have it here until the night finish it out that day that's why I want to make sure that that's correct actually making information given to them about me my friends and my family oh about my appreciation which is something I've always kind of interested me always come made me curious with celebrate news you go places like if I don't have my own content on any kind of post dump but I ended up two browser to qualify because it's got little articles are not read Shit and you know the training pages really really good in terms of kind of Roadway Rooney and tell him that if he does because we know if he does talk up again he's GonNa get taken for law money so aggressip devastated pre-nup like Besse expensive The screen for you guys to check out hopefully you can see there yet because see right here is he not yet because see that such by this tweet that was incredibly funny I'm calling Rooney in ozone dividend matter what he does he's looking up our family president credible lifestyle some stuff he does very embarrassing until it gets to a point where I don't know maybe it gets to a point where Goto bitty in pregnancy how much money is enough money to kind of throw your friend under the bus betrayal friendship like how much money's not because I think especially in these sore circle especially when it comes to the absolutely a blazed as I oh my God walk clever woman so again you know how you should never underestimate people whenever they're dumber stupid because she disappeared a young or Daily Mail you see these kind of garbage headlines and some of the stuff is very very pacific though Mac some rumors took us every two super recipient stuff that Obama twitter feed to has been amazing few months I've I've kind of cut out using instagram overuse the governor's March 'cause they're trying to put my content how everybody browsing it so every opening because I think if you're like a sane rational human being it doesn't necessarily involve yourself gossip drama celebrities you'll be like how to front that they know that sometimes there are speculation kind of my private member restaurant clubs that Milwaukee and you have a good time right but they don't necessarily in the price bracket on the full breadth of your friends you grew up with so it's right into different places you'll get to chew on how into Soho House you're going to a place in L. A. that will not go to these amazing I feel like you know you're making a feel comfortable just be a sufferer on your upper friends who are rich and famous too it must be super messed up acidic about people's brothers and sister laws and stuff happened on a holiday that really Pacific stuff that only the people that were there who told gene of you know the whole like celebrities I think most of the women most it must be a pre lowly lifestyle right because should be easier and then lastly last but not least them batmans no alcohol no drugs the highest mountain until the night of November which going to be awesome icon It's going to be such a good time to do everything together think I'm back to where it should be and I'm pretty sure it's GonNa be an membrane that's my list of side for various reasons either suspicion to try and prove this I came up with an idea this is with Colombia's a fucking genius right never underestimate I block everything from view at genius and is incredible because I remember listening recently to Joe Rogan podcast with somebody else where they took it about how how shitty is a gram stories except one account those private cap must have been wondering why haven't had stories differ wow over the past five months I posted Sousa full stories to see if they made it way onto the Sunday paper and you know what they did the story about Gender Selection in Mexico the story about returning to the TV and then the story about the basement flooding in my new house however overrated we think our sense of Bosa Dr Right we think we can tell who's lying and who's telling the truth but really and truly like there's no difference between a general goes about someone comes out wearing wedding ring are what's going on are they broke it up and you realize it wasn't sure a gym she forgot the Puerto Rican right but there are some stories that come out touto science but what a clever way to find out who speeding the story because this appreciate you guys are wetted is that there's a way that you can block people from being said actually you've been propelled to this kind of level of fame and fortune that essentially eighteen as yourself from all your friends even with because they caught this w go out with you because you know you're going to you have a small amount who follow right we are closed account for fifty followers maybe not maybe less so it's easy to go for your list of people when you're sharing stories defy Gilford center will you do find him and who also have the censor lifestyles you don't have to feel guilty about them you'd have to feel like you are I'm showing off you don't have the AH famous unusual political james values city that become friends I think over the last few years a month hardly paying attention she kinda pull out this tweet got the offensive one night stand he's going to have to make making a mistake once again by the way this has nothing to do with renee is loyal to wait Collini Rebecca Body erect volume life of another after the events happened with load or close friends right it's always looking to be freaky like imagine what kind of friend would you have to have in your circle of friends that would think that that was okay to do and good then kind of betraying you and selling during it's like how much money is enough to sell your circa French and the pressure at some garbage paper since eight continues after longtime of trying to figure out who it was never patient could easily celebrity and say oh by the way I saw XYZ celebrity and maybe she's getting an abortion that could happen but there's some stuff that the twenty year cop right they don't have any special skills that you don't have they just it's just a gut feeling is that the goal yoga and hope that it's right fifty chance of figuring out the press there's no betrayed by Judas Mama Mia man if you're a celebrity that really how much money or you get it from the Sun it imagine you're Jamie bodies wife right how much did you you're you're calling rudy you now know that the stories that came out prior in those papers were supposedly coming out from how to which I think is disgusting if you've got like a private Israel which celebrity and you've only let some of your friends followed I also field and the promises that you guys don't show scream ahead to figure out that this person who also in the same lifestyle that I mean who knows what the struggles with pain and knows how difficult it is is so is also betray me because it makes no sense perfect friends illegal story about because she's a one woman kind of content machine who is something global family they can kind of creamy spin out and put out in public but is your friendship wins they some Pacific stuff that beforehand knows would know about that only your friends would know they'd have to sell you out which is kind of disgusting show people say Oh yeah she is does your friend from back in the day right because there might be some matthew was some jealousy mb but less actually these new friends that you've made who the trouble and hurt you go from being a celebrity right Wives and girlfriends Oh footballers is what has been feeding the sun this garbage newspaper oldies rubbish sensational stories of and now seems what go that listen to personally think is and then purposely pointing out frank's throughout the extra see what actually Lonzo the paper absolutely genius stuff reggie point of view but also makes no sense to me like I said because for many times eyebrows teams the Daily Mail I've always wanted to myself now how the hell did they get this information right there's no way some- somebody it shows will the original storage which clearly showed just one person's view them is Rebecca bodies account while the best whatever best friends of this whole wag wild been tough keeping it to myself and not making any comment at all especially when the stories have been leaked have had two and now a certain which account individuals 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Let's see how much you get paid a week Jamie body is currently on the salary of eighty thousand a week according to Google right so eighty thousand a weaker amy body on a week let's let's find out how much Jamie so dame you've I'd say Jayson Jamie von Dame Varsity damage is quite simple that she isn't she's very very smug oh that isn't a very smart woman story what an amazing strategy to find that if somebody's snitching on get back to your life with CBD medic available online and that CBS these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA this product is not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent any disease. It's not really worth it to kind of a friend of the bus I don't think so and now you don't happen in the second part of the story Jamie good to put the record body posted a tweet some information if if God forbid one of the planned parenthood plays right there's a nurse or a receptionist or someone in the reception off-color Rita The sun paper that could be something that's happily because you know she's a big lobby which doesn't use code which is all the time but it must be only two saying all she she stopped in the poor then she's pregnant and some Russell number country should seek legal counsel to make sure people say her name like you know said John and again the Sun really proving that they are the garbage garbage his papers out there right 'cause you know they're gonNA come out now and they're going to confess to it connects we have here at Tyler Perry studios as Y'all were tied apparently had an amazing little Godhra during the weekend in bt weekend Marshall Wells was happened Joey I'd say yeah I'm sorry there's no way of rectifying this book I'm sure most people lie to this extent or the others won't admit it and they're gonNa just keep writing that live to the end easiest imagine being in two must be subsequently nuts one feeling to have a big up calling really she showed everyone that even those people think she's quite Jay body eighty thousand a week which is no no fucking temptation a month that's three hundred and twenty thousand pounds a month which is what say yes she was how informed maybe they can say that maybe not because it might sign a NDA GONNA do some shopping she to cut a fro I'm Jamie God his wife the FBI look at justice limit to juicy small data policy call him he's still kind of out here protesting the sense of you know you never know uh-huh the prizes awarded just admit or she could continue to ride in that kind of light ordway into the sunset yeah clean ruinous Smart Woman Smart Smart woman the buses Lola Rebecca via the absolute mess for sure keep an eye on if you're interested astle stuff for me so it's a bit too much drama but I just thought you approach really really funny really interested to protect it from calling up her and yeah this kind of Rumba was out how you have if your friend you did it bibles in it L. Kids in my church with us their phones they all know about mused about using the Bible someone squeezed No look the Bible the Bible the Bible and then but I official viewing invite all these picks doubt aggressive event and essentially what we got to see was that Tyler Perry somebody who have not necessarily been a fan of his movies but someone who have credit it was just an amazing celebration of his successes and his birthday is one so tied in that same this amazing issues to the public always been open for a while but just you know in order to be used in it it is amazing space and again it just goes to show just how just how micon which is incredible to even spike Lee whose long is long term bursary in the film industry someone who hasn't really gave him his name Yeah Kasese Kinda tied into it and just an incredible incredible space overrule they've got exact replica of the White House which is insane which is hello student inside they can film in there actually House that you can actually you know living off the use of the studio kind of rented Nulla neutral amazing Thailand Sustainability no having to answer to anyone and just doing everything the way he wanted to do and kind of exuding that ownership ICUs as in I'm GonNa make my own I'm GONNA call cases the entire place is like a coach service that's taken some of the guests throughout the entire law and talking about what the what each studio is named Socal the oval that he's doing they're just incredible incredible incredible thing all over the place and Isao Stage is named after a famous go to Atlanta to go in you know give him his roses to congressional ms amazing feeding it must be three typewriter Lewis fills me you know I you know I'd be given yeah I mean I would be creaming this all the way home but he's a much better person than me but somebody somebody speeches that he's done so far some videos that they see in the studio been amazing on the play one the Middle Finger potato periods are much better person I have known people that kind of pooh-poohed your that doubt if you are now coming around and kind of essentially something your Dick I'll be is hoping was he said about what kind of spurred this idea to stop these kind of you know go down this route I think somebody mission happening to the five right the order co studio faces they film stuff been it's an amazing three thousand square meters or something like that is amazingly big brothers and Shaw Media Ovation and essentially what happened now is ironically the validation that PR people seeking is now coming towards type doorsteps now those guys are now for many television productions a believe they hit shown is leading was wrong and the has also houses in one of our latest show and he's decided to name one off the him to those of amazing spaces there but the one we did it really got me thinking Denzel Washington Studio there won't be that really got me thinking onto I think sometimes some people think people say the Milwaukee do the less of an imposter syndrome you tend to have ride the Milwaukee to turn out your brain sauce two cats aloke order kind of stuff that from ABC that Kinda shows the breadth of the studio and just how amazing it is this video evidence I took an instagram account that color all the houses are built in the studio to code so people actually living it looked like just cobbled for cades and you know that situation where somebody has done something all your money appreciate somebody in your in your social group work that way better because you've known that person for a long time right you can kind of see touch again tasting it feeling the excitement of what it meant to see a woman a black woman being able to do that spoke to meet in so many ways and I'm on video saying Mr the so thousand thousand thousand seed that one event is what showed him okay quietly dreaming bigger that's an amazing thing I think we will be the first movie not a lot of people knew me in the room and I'm sitting there wondering what it might do it in this room and a lot of Adam sick next minute they said out loud we know who they are like I don't necessarily have like visiting my my idol is really have like a lofty or like a far opinion or like a I don't see same level as them but the moment you do is when we start to realize that all the things that they've done our window reach too that's kind of question you have to get over it take the years when you both winning your book get old I think the older you get the less primitive people you just start to think you know what this isn't it they decided to kind of squash the beef and kind of buried a hatchet she goes leaving they're seeing that's the first thing you have to get over when you're trying to achieve your dreams I posted something that's hard to kind of get it and I knew him when he was playing for Western when school right he was a good player don't get me wrong but it was nothing I could see that he was probably a notch just done dreaming big deal your opinion of keeping your head down in that regard assistant credible place look at it did you do diligence is this idea that surround yourself with people who are also consistently chasing off their dreams who are not spending money on supreme or buying sneakers or loud but if a way to be a footballer I could see what my level what my ball was what the buys the aim towards because he's right there next to me he's kidding I'm watching TV right and that makes it much a level of natural ability that gave him the advantage but there's also this idea that because he was right next to me I could see what I needed to get to see that needs to be a football of course workouts there's some sort of similarities happening there but still does feel weird when you read a place in the room with people that you've long admires people that you've kind of watched their brecca's company WHOA can I see it the here is the type of person he didn't dream big enough list voices here by making sure your dream big this is really a key thing professional blizzard Abba wildly because I went to school would look I oppose right one one of my ex kind of classmates once when I went to school with who I knew back globally uh he's a much much better person than I am and he's probably let bygones be bygones but wow what an amazing career and what amazing that he's done by large and then last going out to random places who are using every amount of coins coming into their pockets to kind of follow into their dream to spending every minute and they have free a new facebook campaigns are too 'cause testing out new marketing strategies or just kind of custody of the hustle is GonNa make you kind of close to be on hustle to because it's something that you can't help it it's an it's an avenue Gamer Gamer essentially you get good too because the Cisco Sicily being exposed at world you're streaming online hanging in the studio was confederate army base and I won't you hear this which meant that there was a confederate soldiers on that face plotting and planning to keep w why a lot of entrepreneurs say to people into changing social group into kind of hanging on says because the route to be successful in just a hardware isn't just the there was a moment that having two thousand five at the legends ball upon people topers legend in my cardiac big I'm looking great I said I'm just absolutely and my thing leaving here I'm going to drink bigger entry avenue archive and Susta makes sense day because didn't shut tonight Talia passats and I can pay the people who else agnew Rubel Okay Cool Debbie look I'm the work I was at this gathering humans speech he gave at the bt would early this year we got to give him a lifetime achievement what I think of some sort and he talks about the need for ownership right and the fact that you know with him again and again I think that's that's really cool to see and again for me like I if it was me and I was tired Perry I'd be like Middle Finger the Senate chosen but let's see what has come up the the CASSIA fee to kind of deal with it also allows dreaming because the hold on if he's doing it I can do it too because he's a kid just let me think for Tyler Perry that must be crucial member to be nice in this too listen to be like no I belong here this should be right seeing somebody that Oprah being celebrated Oh sing just that whole celebration of excellent quote unquote a spider tobacco the this needs to constantly be situated next to a big brand is very interesting to me especially within the niche community but you've been an under represented will far far reaching influence more far-reaching because essentially you will have to be you wouldn't have to be dictated by these I pray that way to pay ownership one and it's got me thinking about wild up why why don't more people within the black entertainment industry decided to vice that doing that kind of way so with the support of major label they kind of use the major label this kind of funding machine completely talks Oscarssowhite he had to go away and do think but this is kind of what he has to say right this and it got me thinking more intense again maybe it's maybe early people that you've floetry magazine people field listen to podcast you kind of absorb every bit of content out there is kind of hard to kind of seal on the convene industry they would just need to be signed you look at the whole laughing complaining that he went to Gaba labeled and he gets obviously when he resigned back toward take like independence in music is difficult to kind of decide to kind of you know go out and find your marketing team Garate and design or design your market that's the major speech about ownership but I don't really think people kind of heat will take much notice but something always kinda wondered right we'll do this money on to help somebody cross while everybody was fighting for a seat in the tables on but Oscar so White House y'all go ahead and do that but why are you fighting for the table I'll be down in Atlanta building my own Nine million negroes enslaved now that land Bub one Negro it's amazing kind of made for made for Blockbuster TV episode where he essentially ended up entire crew but if you look at it from a humane point of run guardian trying to figure out what packing do figure out what the best places to go to radio interviews with these do on your own as a team but there are so then when you push away your undeniable and there's nowhere else and there's no way you can take it on your own maybe par up with a big label but again it's an amazing story. Congratulations beside price doers amazing sign on the highway has Saint Taya prestigious than we thought Linda it just completely inspiring and again I think that kind of inspiration I west damage kind of you know a Western legend by law a one club before you can apply for also backing us a kid he says she'd been out west I'm his whole life the most amazing situation because the people that were involved in their lives a completely been ruined by this kid who they decided to come of us as a cloud machine uses a kind of a human keeping all their operations in house that works as well I would like to see a little bit more of an independent stabbed people just take the lane to be acknowledged it completely on my own cashpoint has now effectively ruined the entire lives where involvement situation but some some people you'd say you know the kids you get the guys needed with against into right the streets Melissa we've got some very interesting comments from one Casanovas regarding six nine as you are aware six nine is going through or has gone through a big trial in the US oh this should be true this is par trajectory to and I need to kind of focus in dire lynn able to kind of be on that on that path to and I think that's the that's so you you'd think that you'd want to be have more ownersh more you think you'd have to have multiple choice of ownership we've been a small I represented community because then it would make your influence more he's involvement with the nine trae gyns sending his involvement with gangs in general New York consigning the whole way his career from zero to a hundred is base of the year at and it kind of and with a sell it from our website I'm GonNa have audit tickets for my own platform a replica TIKKI TIKKI in person company or wherever you may be called do never made a liberal water progress again maybe in his eyes you know he has a different view of how he was created go and he kind of wants our big neighbour push machine to be behind him kind of pushing down the line he was on the same level as a kid Kadi's drake's if he kind of peer group TJ holes and he doesn't see him being able to do that maybe an independent label maybe being licensing itself but we'll go on a ripple through the patches of time and will help you see a lot more than your generation kind of taken a mental on designed to thing if you too because we need more Bratislava dictate the terms they have to meet your your toes because you you had you have audience you have everything prepared you have your students have cameras you have a ready made audience that are engaged I have to do they don't have to go to them to them to get you have to go to them to get draw they have to come to UTICA doors get the renovation and I've wanted maybe it's a heart maybe it's a harder uh essentially lifted the lid on the entire Italian mafia or Italian organized crime go for Italy Spain parts so essentially he might be able to get out by the beginning of next year now especially since they've moved a court date for would they want to get things out away quickness possibly lock those guys up so they wanna get whether it's gonna be able to come back off this career and be able to have a career because now we've learned that for his testimony of stitching these co-conspirators I'll be realized that he may be suffering from some mental illness normally oh they're the head but he's leaving a pre normal life nowadays it's not maybe the best of lives but he is still living and inducements loads of appearance fees Blah Blah but essentially is kind of put musician where he touted his family is hiding had to kind of higher as God so I think if he can do it with having the entire Italian mobile him I think six hundred gonna be able to get away with just fine but essentially customer had survey just in commerce thank you for the Beverage Uso you see more people bowl under obsessively comedian decided to take Missouri and heads in the waiting for the medical permission that's out say next I love interviews where he's life has been completely ruined betting on the cost of books rare because allow them opportunities to come out and capitalizes work screenplays getting those deals guys get involved in street business doing things the street way is that he won't be you can end of you look doing it in smart way and we never say we can never say they were doing it being nowadays and nothing's really happened to and I think six nine probably do the same thing I think of six nine the same way I think of Colorado Savannah the guide I read who soul and of course twelve months and caused a twelve month minutes a million fields the book called a Gommorah of you guys aware of it Roberta Savannah he traveled around with with with security everywhere he goes because he written this book would Comoro six hundred zero situation and yeah interesting take him from customer outside the world surely going the wrong route from to begin with poop even care about the people that he took off the street because nobody cared about they'll be those little talk about you know what he had done for the black community and you know once we telling anyone anything about condoning violence but it was his idea in America really big of a deal I think if you look at people like George Zimmerman right the kid that killed the guy that killed Trayvon Martin brazenly were in they let him it was so we'll give at the end of the day you know what I'm saying a lot about jumping out the window the gagging you know detailing lucrative they were doing he's now going to guess a reduced sentence is going to the time he saw the job's going to counsel was time served he was going to assassinate on the streets guaranteed but nothing happened to us publicly find us going on talk shows he was acting a fool on social media and we kind of assumed every now how he's supposed to be rejected witness protection it was his resume his own career which is very interesting to just give me an interesting case goes but a rat house you're going to be able to small way because it was so brazen sober that it kind of made you feel about these guys actually have braids amid heads below the centered around six a rat was one of the you know he said when he got locked up at miss them on social media right there's always something happened he was kind of essentially he was the apex of Mahjong Hudson such a heavy handed such a brazen way kind of seen as if like you know it was complete amateur hour like how could these guys being organized crime unit when they were just doing so ridiculously obvious and the jury in the presence of My enemies the era of about you know being able to hold that sound do it in the right way really precise hiding artistry obviously the street affiliation had some kind of way in it but the nation was odd what's is the guy here on screen about recommend you haven't checked out Gamarra's a TV series on Sky NA member so variable and he essentially has he's he's detailed of compasses kind of manipulate social media to your to your will right there's always something happening something he was kind of at the Bob the joke Kobe just place or should be to play that trolling game be better trucks that I think even with the album came out people surprise of how good it was his collaborations every single was the top ten with bill one hundred he just had a very keen is what is happening in this is absolutely ridiculous so that was the thing that was kind of crazy and of course these guys are career criminals right they're like kids are just you know again it's unfortunate is walking living meme and he didn't write did it probably the best anyone could of this new generation then you have on the side of it he actually makes a really good tracks right terms of minimal you tend to catch up you but why are you getting him involved in your titties in the moment right why is he holding guns why is he in the call when you rub in invite all the attention to come on them if any should be completely quiet dishes probably had him as far away as possible from their illegal activity easily continue on that way six nine cases people had the same things I want to speak about low by this truth way saying here but this has custody over seven given interview with Bruno's speaking veto around him and he kind of feels as if it was gonNA TACO is back people following him wherever he goes eight br pretty secluded lifestyle but he's alive and well bribing and oh it's an incredible fickle industry music the moment he comes out and get some attraction again the same people that were quoting Ratna wherever it may be will be the first I'd just didn't see what the what the what the benefit was for the nitrate blessed to have six nights back next to them I know what it did for six nine riot they didn't have this life partners sucking so I'm not 'cause weighty had it the way they did it was so heavy handed the way tonight tabloids went about kind of you know having this guy be one of the artists and kind of putting him under their wing was done do not be mobile which is a very good point he makes it 'cause priego place their number one six nine because people actually I think people think the world operates one way people think that but in reality the actual reality of the situation is that in the same way that people who six nine situations to be a war situation or a landmark moment for the entertainment industry all for the world in general especially when you look at the stuff right you to wear the point maybe not the point Lisa this is but they go to the places where they are assured that where they're going to get something at the end of it right like I know I'm going to get checked it all has little at all business nickelodeon but this is the life that you've chosen but six nine would industry that are like pooh-poohing him the problem with the industry is that as we reflection because what it will show that people generally don't really give a shit as much as people think they do what they care about is the music what they care about is the content of being produced from this other stuff if anybody's going to you couldn't take my eyes off them right fucking ballot tally hanging out doing shit that was incredible stuff that'd be able to come back and resume his career it will be a mother like secretly tell him who a public is saying they would never put trump and only election came around they privately vote anyone ever surprise as the same way you're going to see people that were saying all six zebra create you snitch the the Rod Webber got regarding may be in private saying they can't wait for it to come back because it was fun having around got European they did interviews Tim West would be Kinda questioned whether it should be collaborated with him and that's where the morals are principles that some people have go out the window because people don't have physical for the most part he would generally go have any reason why they should they should be next to him they should have pushed him follow it for him demos possible if they had to explore in for money to fund their fanfare dues do it right it was a little bit to press decent cool quality for me at the soda but surely away from all the kind of hype away from all the validation from the industry at the slowly but surely carving his Ole I'm going to get something from ninety six lane so I put my mortgage principal side and just annexes kit that's what people do and you're going to see that happening very very soon because the narrative six able to imprison now about drugs or alcohol and think of because that's the thing that you don't beforehand where he was under the woods and you know sniffing and do whatever you're doing imagine these able to think clearly about his approach as he comes out a prison right posts niche and do the actual marketing run abyss probably he the statements have not been evaluated by the F._D._a. this product is not intended to diagnose treat cure or prevent any disease in nineteen fifty four collection co-founder intrigue says Caused never went on tour is Mike La Right let me see if I can find actual being meritas beautiful documentary but they've come out completely slammed Michael Kors for using as a reference of wasn't there we don't remember you may let's see by Michael Calls and I'm GonNa fight him because they looked at they're able to present right that million America's of Glam it became out and started saying you know this solidifies as alleged forever right now what happens if you die summer regardless because our label to have this career within a year will be forgotten no new non remember about was that he didn't have in a pass are absolutely for sure that's a a very astute observation different casinos I recommend you check out probably Komo comfortable and again I'm interested in how the story pans out interesting way to go about things but I I respect Kosovo for taking a very different approach to and kind of seeing it for did go to prison with this massive kind of in a rico charge of the back of my neck enough snitch come out have another year and then at the end of it but that's a club in a clever way where it makes it seem as if it was a long term plan this is Paul the long journey who's meant to if anything if he wants to you I wouldn't an amazing comeback fairytale run they had But Yeah I think it's going to really make it's GonNa fucking was heads up when he comes out is able to start his career up again ed listener in Lebanon completely ripped into pieces of mail they play Games so this is an article for mixed Max is the CO founder slammed Michael Kors phrase nope that cancelled Chris Brown they counseled all Kelly he'll say council the council the new this six to them lowest infamous six balcony dress code and open club drug use sixty four has celebrity guest list of the likes of Andy Warhol share Freddie Mercury and David Bowie Michael costly collection includes an oversized puffy coat and crushed so blouse brandishing sixty five logo the logo on it really was Eliza logo on it see district for hangs out because he says he was never dead you were there I mean you that you were there so the patient I think he was annoyed by four collects four winter collection two thousand nineteen right there's lots to fifty four represents here I'm sure you guys can make out doc the rat that's that's therefore if top associated and by large knows how the game is you know the entertainment industry is fickle once he comes out of a head banger interview out now on hold any seven was this the Burnett told properties check on that shaded onto a Lincoln Abaya feet is to check out if you need you next year we got four play no games DVD full Olas as you guys are aware because I've watched the documentary shows people might more stuck mentioned that came out of Quebec was is what you see what the record industry now if you if you've no is no pun intended industry has ruled him out no one from the radio save looking to play six nine no one that said that so far was it what what on seventies the Deuce this one I think this on you review like look this guy was never kind of somebody who I kinda fool as street guy owners Gangsta I'm not surprised anything that he's done the guys they have complete bombs why would they think that this guy was this is one of them right so this is the way okay this one I think I'm talking about so I think he's talking about this one the full two thousand nineteen collection right is this one I'm not matter it but again I I imagine if I just love the fact that people can be snobby back no there's there's some people who don't want to be found Zimmer work right and you put the logo somewhere oh there is yeah Mama Mia okay no one that he's pissed I'll be pissed to look at that precipitated for logo on there can you can you do that to jihadi looking awesome as per usual that Biz look 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22.01  MU Podcast

Mysterious Universe

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22.01 MU Podcast

"Tonio great idea into a reality with squarespace squarespace makes it easier than ever to launch your passion project whether you're showcasing work or selling products of any kind with beautiful templates and the ability to customize just about anything you could easily make a beautiful website yourself and if you do get stuck square spaces twenty four seven award winning customer support is that help at squarespace dot com slash m you for free trial and when you're ready to launch use offer code m you save ten percent off your first purchase of a website or domain talking about you raise you season tony to episode one coming up on the show we've got the vietnamese jungles summoning sphere the shape shifting harry bumped him in a big big big foot from russian some of my best friend grundy joining me is our right to difficult but he just doesn't wanna leave and then you bring people just dumped snow with stepping up be intellectual highbrow story games a season twenty two talking about intellectual highbrow oh i gotta bring the level lower i will lead the way in a brand new studio for out new season over in a temporary studio yes it is well it's brand new for us it is it's a learned a studio big thanks democ cultured from container studios dot com who is building out current studio which is still around two weeks away it's about a hundred yards that way i could see it right now but we're actually sitting in his tracking worry about the moment which is also a studio he's constructed but as apparently is like it's like and i thought it's the next upgrade and i must say the amount of work that mock has put into it is incredible according to say i know it's fantastic he's obsessed fest in a really good way when we sort of earlier in the week just before we did a plus shirt he was showing us how every single gap in the in the inside the things seal every every single end baystate reminded me of that segment on data before the end of all season of old job japanese folktales of being scared of monsters the hot in the crack that's right like he's the guy that's terrified of those monsters and he has the seal every single crack every single little opening has to be sealed with fellow but he just he obsesses over every single detail he wants to make the sound effect until the very first time for the studio he's building for us he's managed to get air conditioning unit into the actual structural things integrated tinus what's all integrated so now he can actually send them overseas so if you're in the market for a studio if you wanna share with you if you move around a lot if you a making incredibly amazing move from sydney to queensland like waited a contentious dot com and see what it can do to cause you can now get them on ships and and ship them anywhere in the world and we just can't wait to get you know big studio 'cause this move has been amazing for us it has been it's been so good and it's just so refreshing to be up here and grow up in brazil but i'm not i said i'm coming back to this place that i wanna come back and then i moved to sydney i'm like okay i'm ready to go back but not quite north of pursuing what about an hour's drive north of brisbane now and it's just a as we explained a plot subscribers earlier in the week when we started the first of the season plus that it's just so painful and relaxing up here is a different life isn't it is very much so maybe that will come through in the show although you did said it'd be driving home from the studio tonight you won't major abide high strong ad read it a five shot i want you to become too dangerous i want you to have like a baseline level of anxiety that you see when you had that baseline level of anxiety this afternoon 'cause it texas in our to drive to this temporary studio annual come on man let's go to finish my notes and let's go and we jumped in the car and then he sat twenty case under the speed limit it's here it's not my fault it's the car the car front of me i wasn't paying attention so the car was just like oh especially the lumina again i i would like to see a baseline level of exile all darren but with the voice high strung city i'm already bored she'll just driving people don't understand driving i hate you drive through it looks like almost the swiss alps sometimes in some because it's just these green rolling hills i expect to see the nazis coming over and the sound of music over the hill running ever none of the guys who were surrounded by hills in wallabies right now they're all sitting outside the studio or theresa was driving home the al place in new said the other day she still kangaroos hopping across the road the back yard of my new place looks like drastic pock yeah like you know those a what do they those funds on free phones coal race i remember the name of them been like anyway there's these massive tree fence and my sister in law the forest and when she told him she just couldn't believe that they honestly will collect it from a movie set yeah like one of the ones outside of my bedroom is bigger than me just speaking to me i will leave up here so they're everywhere yet this is not interesting but it is i hotspot also full some very unusual paranormal activity one of course a saudi people encountering sasquatch bigfoot type creatures is penny ever laney in millennia a cooler a new so all sorts of areas there's these reports from truck is heading through that represents a big a you know a freeway highway the runs all the way up the coast acquaintance item is all these reports of people encountering these big foot type thing there was one report that came out it must demand about maybe baby idle so years ago now but it was of a truck stop those just south of new saw the all of a sudden start having all these a because i wasn't a truck stop in regards to having any services which is basically somewhere where you could pull you truck up and there was a set of toilets you don't pay and just have a breaker asleep or whatever stop rest up exactly but they were a truck is reporting the things coming up on my bashing on the side of the of the call on the side of a cat and not come flying out because i think well who's doing this isn't it all the tropical trouble whatever else and would be face to face with an ad for harry stall being wasn't aggressive outlaws obviously very terrifying truck dissociate soliciting announcing today that usually what happens at truck stops disease carrying a gripe bad definitely keeping it highbrow i have no idea you do that i just that's just really know it actually did remind me for a little bit of a personal story those telling you as happening in our lives were dropping heim so that was that was comforting i don't even see it i just go and the news in front of the car filled up to the death the bird of logic is horrifying and i felt so bad and they only way i could justify to myself is because just it would let the studio you have to drive basically three rivers this these to represent you have to drive through the car gets wet as you drive through it that's how low it is you know what i'll go ahead field a story this fog everywhere and i'm saying to you and we know this bogus paranormal warning if this anytime you're gonna be adopted it's gotta be now you know it just occurred to me that when we first got into a new office and i plugged in my computer peter and check my email who emailed us who's the first person he emailed us mike collins mike cleland telling us he has a new book out about his experiences with als and other weird things and then a day later motor motor down and out in the middle of the night just to be now even this is a weird thing and this is a weird synchronicity but i was joking that all you know maybe crazy this is if we're gonna get adopted the graves will be around on the road in the fog all just run whatever they're close if you're not familiar with my clones work a lot of his work as well his experiences i'm sorry is that he interacted with these things appear to be out but als may simply being screen memories factual grace the grays was somehow fooling him to think that what else house and there's a lot of those connections between the two and maybe it's just the eyes of people say but it's yeah it is it all coincidence but the weird thing is is that as i was traveling this memory came back to me and when i was a kid i was actually staying with my grandparents softening campbell end 'em they basically where i'd ever sold and very very allstone kind of dodgy the whole scandal pulling whenever they go to these random places but anyway there was one particular evening were sitting there with my my grandmother and i couldn't have been very all luckily more and seven i believe her even younger end this television show came on a new coat of paint just suck it all obviously back then token twentyfive years ago but this show came on and it was about ufo's and my grandmother who's never said anything unusual recalled i point this is what's so jarring stuck in my memory is she goes oh there around i've seen them yoon are at of course i'm sitting there the seven year old absolutely terrified throwing hand wash gray what the hell's going on my my father has my clients over the years obviously i've spoken to in a long time but i remember my father used to climb the watches would be he would wake up paralyzing the watches would be standing be under the bed beckoning to him to come and this would be like no it wasn't the watches it was the white he called he called it the white he said it was like a great dressed as i whiter like a weed penguins suit would stand at the end of the bed and would back into him how he never told me the story i think i've told you but i think about i don't really wanna go into it because obviously i was terrify and the strange thing is i never knew that story until i was older but as a child those oils terrified of grades and islands and open my kids off so i'm not i'm not bringing anything into that but the funny thing is is that it it made me realize how i ended up actually getting an interest tryst in the paranormal like what is it come from it's always had an interest in being that somebody but where did it come from and i really think it came from this experience i had with my grandmother so we sat there and we watch the television show about ufo's and whatever else and i don't remember what it was at all but it really leftist impression on me i went to bed that night kind of freaked out a bit after seeing this and then of course in the morning we got in the car and we drive time and wonder how that not the local news came out with a local news came on it was one of the early stories about the fact there was i a massive ufo's citing that very not of campbell exactly where we would why would i even remember the footage and what it was is it was these balls of light they're all sitting in the sky now running in a lot no running back and forth between each other and there's a whole collection of them and that will moving sort of together and coming together and coming apart and it just let this impression on me that's just never really a budget i think that's kind of where it was a woman just ufo's saudi it was also the synchronicity of sitting there and you know getting freaked out about ufo's and then that very not they're being you afo starting directly on the spot where i was and that's what really i think buried in my mind there is something to this phenomena and it's all interconnected and even though i suppress the devotee i think that's what's kind of basically a good trauma when you're a child yeah he's a good way to get you interested in something so it's a topic tonight talking about it for a living exactly exactly so but but this could be a little bit different because i was going to actually extend some of the work you did ben from the last show when we're talking about the latest book from topped out at six o'clock yeah obviously he's incredible it's called space age indians and i went through just a few stories from the first third of the book shoes mostly talking about really sprung out from a this a team of veterans vietnam war veterans who are old and the indians and one of them's a good friend of his who she went and saw and he's basically on his deathbed and all of his old a recount teammates were there and they trusted audi audi was looking old flame of of his adult yeah yeah we don't have a sound effects were in a temporary ceo says fuzzy a at hawk rolling but dumb essentially 'cause i trust the audience will hold on this story but they haven't really told anyone who's this story the re containment kept himself but they were in the middle of the jungle tracking the viet cong and they sold at the viet cong shooting it strange blue shapes moving in the bottom of the valley in the jungle and then the viet cong destroyed by some unknown weapon a and then this recon team saw those strange blue stripes moving towards them now they went to retraite an ira which is odd oddly friend basically said he turned around and those giant blue glowing man whose face to face with this thing in the middle of the vietnamese jungle yeah yeah it's a it's a very very strange report and if you're not a plus subscriber make sure you check it out mystery should invest old ford slash plus and a sign up to that season because it's incredible report or of course pickup audio book and in fact i would recommend picky audio book first because it really is a fantastic book a but i want to extend extrapolate upon that little bit older to go a little bit more detail and i ended up coming across some very strange reports we know the american soldiers is during the vietnam war encountered some very unusual paranormal things whether it was ufo's all humanoids or whatever else so some strange stuff that was going on and of course we've covered some of that on the show before but i learned a little bit deeper and i found a couple of reports the parallel what was described by that soldier although solves the multi experienced which makes me think that maybe there is something to this story not completely throwing it out and not but the problem is what these stories is that a there is a possibility of embellishment and there is a possibility if you know people just making things up sudden they are but that's something did a skeptic would you know approach from that angle so are defined some stories were kind of paolo that and there's plenty of them but before we get into that i wanna start off with this article ashley soul from pulse stephen this week and it's about this very strange monster or see certain which washed up into the pr at these south haven lighthouse in lake michigan personally very recently it only happened on the thirteenth of june so it's incredibly recently so what it was there was a guy by the name of team wenzel an apparently he called himself some type of storm geek i don't know if there are people like that but apparently what he does is he gets onto livestream sounds like a nazi exactly yeah yeah she gigs very intelligent not now but he gets onto a those like you know live streaming services from all those different places around the world from japan and wherever else but he was watching this one of the storm all steve south haven lighthouse now into this in the mr messed up or that she see the video feed yourself watch the bottom end of the pr it's very strange fortunately ben you and i have watched him connection at all so you see it so i'm gonna have to show you a little bit later on but i'll describe it to you and if you're not near a computer at the moment and his well listening you could hear so essentially what they see is you could see appear and you could see a lot house at the very end of peer ends this window barring apparently the windows blowing at forty miles per hour if not more all of the water is being towed shouldn't try not but it's obviously very very intense storm but as you watch if you look towards the bottom of the pr you suddenly see this large black mass canova p and it seems like it's struggling against the force of the washer the winds pushing it up against the edge of the j as you continue to watch you see what appears to be massive sucker punch like creature black chewed up here out of the water be thrust stop against the edge of the jedi and this is a laker on this this this and this is a life it's huge it's it's absolutely huge that's not at all fish there's some people have said but it could be a a great oh sorry a giant like sturgeon which is a possibility riley cop ruled it but sturgeon for example beckham why after two hundred pounds enrich linked of about seven feet but this thing whatever this thing is in the video it's far more flexible and bendable than what you would expect sturgeon to be whatever this thing is it's significantly longer then seven fate as well and it's true you i wanna see the video if you compare this to the link the jedi because you're only looking at a small video right but if you actually look at the link to the dirty and how big this thing is it means that whatever this thing is it could essentially be a huge undiscovered lake monster is this part of be a likes of america anaconda conspiracy about following up on what's that hanging with the likes of america that's anaconda isn't what what about the indian god disappeared yes i did that story is probably in a plus section i'm pretty sure wasn't a plus section at a light at the end of last season and it was a story about a a guy in america using indian guys and immigrant and he's out celebrating his birthday with all his buddies and he decided to go for a swim swim in this lake in new jersey oh okay and he jumped in and everyone else's like the world is a bit murky cloudy 'em and then he drought but as he was drowning this is the coast means friends who couldn't save him in time they said he kept yelling it's got me something's got me palea mulling me on the end the that was the end of the story in a tragic story so i started to google that like i can't remember the name of the like is unfortunately but they are pretty soon found an article from two or three years earlier and it had a bunch she quotes from wildlife x but who claims he absolutely one hundred percent saw a giant anaconda in that like oh and he tried to capture it but he said it was it was too strong a it got away and that was three years ago and then suddenly this guy drowned in and said something grabbed him and pulled him under and then while we're on outbreak last week a someone tweeted at me a miss a plus mimbo tweeted at me and sorry i've got internet so i look up and he just sent a link to an article there was a basically an update on that like new jersey not related to the state conspiracy but it was about how the lake has now being shut down to the public access because of an alligator problem a is a is a problem this is something that i find so strange why is it but if authorities off finding something that's unusual or it's an undiscovered covered animal creature whatever else why they addressing it why is it yet again we were just talking about this on the left plus joy like oh no this must be something completely normal we don't have to worry about it at all but by the way that like because you're gonna kill a giant snake on the loose and i don't want to admit it loving that's obvious but the thing about this and this was really really good timing this strange creature shirt up because it ties in a just coincidentally of course with a new book from richard framing which is getting a lot of tension at the the book is called adventures in crypto zoology hunting spaghetti's mongolian death and other not so mythical monsters and if you're familiar with richard freeman's work i think we've covered some of his stuff in the past the guy is a bit of a renegade but in a really really good why and you're the problem is is that crypto zoology is not recognized as being a legitimate science is not recognized as being anything that has any substance to it outside of obviously people that are in the field of the paranormal it's something really dismissed bud richard in his a introduction the book points out that all these animals we just take for granted today for example guerrillas flamingos a snow leopards as a kid needs oil assigning plus all these things we just take for granted say have all been in the past considered to be almost like these proposal illogical creatures in a way like for example guerrillas that's a really great story in there about the idea that they used to be this folklore and these leaves legends about these men these men things would come of the wilderness and when things you oughta know what they are because i went cold i may because obviously the term i wasn't there but described as being hauled in wild men yet these kind of based would come out and would attack you and tech you women and do whatever else but it kind of makes sense they spoke cold days legends of debt because even the guerrillas a generally plastic crutches chips it quite aggressive but grill is a far more lax they're still dangerous wild animals so if you have these stories amongst your group amongst the locals at leaving the region about these dangerous walls man if you encounter one of them you're not gonna win gauge with the you're not gonna go with it but of course when the europeans went into africa and started exploring instead of getting these reports of these things they dismiss the coast we now know the guerrillas actually do exist so when you extrapolate this the other phenomena we kind of a a little bit arrogant in our modern science we've spread all across the globe this practically no way well we haven't mapped and haven't explored and yet there's these reports of people everyday encountering these strange base whatever they are whether it'd be see serpents so big foot stock creatures on whatever else then now dismissed the dismissed is spoke tiles and legends and people being on lsd and drunk some whatever else and yes that may be the case but some of these stories but they may actually be kernel of truth behind them about the existence of these real courageous i mean take for example the snow leopard we recognize the snow leopards but it took us seven years to get moving footage all day snow leopard so when people may offer some on a verified it with a siding yeah someone who'd verified the august snow leopards actually exist with the sorting it took seven years before able to capture footage and so the argument this put forward by skeptics these days it's like everyone's got a camera that further knowing it's like yeah maybe but think about it seven years to get something we know she does exist it could be taking longer for these creatures in one of these creatures are big foot's a really good example they may be far more intelligent than snow leopard at a vase it knows where trying to capture the market footage of the and i managed to avoid detection inside so what did you focus on from raymond's will cause i had a a look through some of these pots had some great information on the early see sipping reports stuff from eighteen hundred yeah fiber on these he mentioned this wildest johnstone while the court i think it's icing twentythree of something has died at but when they caught up in a stomach there wasn't a giant tentacle inside that yes i hated bitten off yum cracking nor is a giant squid yes this relates to a it's a sad story on some level but it's actually it's really intriguing anaconda validates crypto zoology now nothing real doesn't valid at all of it but some of the stories that it really hasn't changed so in eighteen twenty there was a man was found a dead he died of starvation in this called crazy and got up and he was given a poll his burial and only a few you know attended his funeral apparently in apparently they sneak it at him as being this feeble minded fool who believed in sea monsters his name was actually pierre denise demote ford and this guy is has action now being vindicated as being a a discover a of basically giant squid alright he cataloging all those reports exactly he had this gift a he was just kind of a global travel law which is something that is that's a big deal and hers but he went everywhere and he spoke multiple languages and he had gone to eight chipped in germany food studying geology and he was just this naturally intelligent a you know intrigued intrepid what kind of person and he actually investigated the origins of emigrate embryos we know is used postseasons but it would just shopping pitches and no one really knew where they come from the wild fast right yet it also comes from a apparently it it breaks down from a dsp wilde's will vote at home it vomit right yeah exactly so i mean this is what sparked his interest in huge cephalopods all giant octopus and so way this guy really stands out and this is what's really important even back then science would scoff say oh there's things can't exist that's impossible that's ridiculous but he went to the sauce he went and spoke to american wireless who settled in france who had these stories of these gigantic monstrous beings would attack ships and would saint flooding past and so there's some other stories was there was one man by the name of ben johnson who had found this monstrous tentacle inside the mouth of sperm whale the tentacles thirty five feet long and had been set at both ends so apparently so would have been longer longer he believes among four believe the ten twenty faded actually being lost but it would stick is a must sailing ship had suckers on the size of hot so my gosh this is a massive this thing is that was another one another man by the number reynolds told of saying what he thought was a red sea serpent lying next to a while but had to they had killed but then it was discovered that it wasn't actually see said but it would say massive tentacled it was forty five feet long with sock is the size of large do no flights so these things these massive titanic octopus may actually have existed and we know now the john octopus do exist back then of course this guy was just considered to be a fool so the problem that we have said there's more of these stories kind of like old see legend said had blown way out of which also the fishermen for example low is exaggerated yeah they catch yeah it's being exaggerate is one story which is supposed to be based on real events but the problem is there's no details details of what the name of the ship also who the walls and whatever else but apparently is anchored off angola at a giant octopus is said to have attacked a ship it wrapped up its arms about the rigging calls the vessel tillis berry dangerously the crew retaliated with the with swords and they managed to get the most to relinquish it's called and hacked off some of its arms and said this is where the ashley apparently had some samples yet again all the chemicals of this strange creature and there are other reports of people climbing the giant octopus would attack the boats and canoes and would drag the canoe to the bottom of the sea but the locals believes it was just simply and evil spears but it wasn't that she had john on and there's also a danish man he was the captain of a ship but he will see employee of the company a heater todd don cook and he told the story about being off the coast of west africa apparently because it was very calm all this on this particular day but decided the take advantage of the situation with scribe barnacles off the ship louis jet yeah steady kind of thing apparently men were lowered by ropes the standard practice sitting on planks as they were working gigantic huge cephalopod rose out of the water wrapped its tentacles around two of the men in drag them under the water another arm collided with a third man who is clinging to the rigging it was in a battle save the third man as these giant octopus whatever it is tried to pull him also into the water they finally saved him by hacking off the monsters riding member sadly though he died of shock afterwards so they're all these stories out there and of course you know some of them can be completely blown out of proportion like i think probably one of the earlier ones but in that case it was actually validated by all the silos and you know obviously repulsed oldham but there were multiple witnesses that sold this thing then then also reporter as well so there's plenty of recordkeeping un on fall within the law of course yeah oven countering this thing so the sad thing is is that a demand for daschle became this wretched ragged figure when would you be kind of destitute alcoholic and that's when he died in eighteen twenty but then of course you know and i think it was kennel so you letter that he was completely vindicated because they found evidence of that being giant octopus so this is something and this is just an example but this is something that can still apply today can be applied lot older phenomena that we talk about when we discussed these strange crypto so illogical creatures creatures that are meant to exist things seem like the best of legends you certainly in guy hunting lizards in new south wales and instead he found dinosaur well i would go so far as to say dinosaurs but you're right there are plenty of stories in there or strange megalomania style list it's the huge huge like it's it's head was the size of a bone born out of a car yes but may still be assisting in see it'd be straying wouldn't even said that but that's not really be a starting out back but these giant bush and of course one of those stories comes from may of nineteen sixty one now this is reported by three logos who apparently apparently encountered one of these huge lose it's now they're in a remote part of to watch all forests in new south wales the state that we used to be in bed and i'd been mocking these trees they were gonna cut down and once that finish their work the tree just sat down to have some tate at the the bruins uniformly a clear area so the trees were down but i hadn't been completely removed withstand it for them to say just rotting wood lying around early pay any attention to it but apparently when one of them had sat down they heard this crunching taking down behind the but it was a very large crunching sound something he wouldn't expect to be in the area they turned around to see what they describe as i titanic sized blizzard bearing down upon the permian bank meant they fled and tara lock themselves cells in the truck as they watched this strange dragging like creature dragged itself making it tracks across in front of the and then heading back into the forest falls this moments on all fours and i described it as being a thirty feet long that speech where at least three feet off the ground or it's billiards body was three feet off the ground while so this thing is absolutely massive so you go oh well this could be just destroy those three guys having a bit of luck and it's like the fishermen exaggerating this yeah exactly but there are other stories there's a story from nineteen seventy nine wet actually involved a professional herpetologist who is a scientist to actually's studies reptiles his name is frank gore and hit taking these four wheel drive is like a land driver a something you take it up into the mountains to look for tiny lizards known as water skanks such tiny cute little they are news stories looking the tiny tiny tiny little exactly select the story of the longest as well is that you know they weren't expecting to see anything of course because these things are supposed to exist in these train bush when a golden apparently said he pulled up after hours of unfruitful searching any pulled himself up next to this lodge log now gone away from his vehicle any returns and then when he came back to the vehicle he said this lodge law seemed to have moved from where it was before we don't really pay attention to it because you doing when you talk here check like oh what did i popcorn you're in the bush because where else is gonna be it's gonna be what you left it but he said as he got close up he said this long reid up on for powerful legs and then took off into the woods and lift him in the state of shock but he said this thing had to be at least twenty eight to thirty feet long and comparison to the landrover it was highly up like set up like again three feet off the ground very similar crichton wilburs reporter almost twenties early in the same area and then of course there's another report now there's no detail exactly when this happened but this thing is described these giants apparently described as being multiple gray grain which commonly is mistaken for being some type of fallen tree it fits this camouflage of the surrounding area though to pharmaceutical system they landrover next to a log that was blocking the road so they pulled the landrover up i tried to get on as they did they touch this thing and realized it was some animate creature it transformed into a monster far longer than twenty while this far longer than the twenty four foot wide road and then reid up and then took off oh gosh so there's a third report and then there's one more small from yourself wiles from a very similar area from nature is of this reserve is a plateau of undisturbed for some people just simply don't go there and if you go out into the region and just look at you can see that it is just pristine bush land but just as far as they say but exactly the same thing with witness stay some very strange lodge creature there was a a a basically there's all this lantana like that that we'd which is covering up all the eucalyptus since kind of area but the witness said that he felt like something was was crunching behind him something very lodges following him so he's turned around until he's hora he climbs at i giant mona lizard see only way to describe it at least with the head of being twenty four inches wide worker at pete behind him in front of flicking it's full got tons of games on tasting near hunting yeah that's the thing this guy whose name was sleeping he actually believes he was being hunted fortunately he got into hiding spot and the creature woman i just saw into adult back into the wilderness so it's possible does this isolated area of reserve and this small population of unarmed discovered reptile has existed the food god knows how long yeah i mean freeman forever forever exactly well framing goes into the possibility that this is a surviving meghalaya so gigantic base that would have been in these starting out back around what a hundred thousand years ago earliest ryan bush being commode is huge yeah significantly larger significantly larger 'em but the problem is from a skeptical standpoint people say well you know there's not enough animals so there's not enough food sauce to support the kind of stuff but what people don't understand is these things adopt nature of all the dots to the situation that it's ian and of course there's a hollywood introduced spacey's this wild all states kennels this whole this whole heap things out that that these things may have been able to say shit themselves which we recommend around kennels but there's a possibility the whole you know even kangaroos lodge kangaroos they could potentially be enough of the food supply keep these things going on in the sound oh yeah it'd be lots of any trigger an ad hoc kennel sound being asian by about john mccain without a pocket is with the oil i'm sure i'm sure we could do that of course you don't it's not just new south wales there are reports of these similar things appearing in arid region as well there's a report from the market river which is in the kimberly region of the northeast of australia in nineteen eighty to stop with that she mustering his cattle when he's amazement he's or twenty foot lizards stalking through the long grosse he raised his rifle and fired two rounds at the dragon some distance but the animals seem to be completely on harmed by around so it's a little bit like these giant things so the same skin walker ranch it's this is something yeah metaphysical of framing this is what i think is really good about this book is that he doesn't go so far as the stop talking about the metaphysical aspects of some of these things he and i think that's that's actually a good thing because if you try to introduce crypto zoology the people especially people that are skeptical unlikely the believe it if you start mixing in well partially magical is well i think that's just too much with people they are partially was kind and this is what would i get into a little bit later on and we gotta take a break but when we come back 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wall for a long time seeking kind apply that to be for this well but what about the mole exalt he crushes you might hear about that come up in crypto zoology and one of the most exotic of coal says that the dragon now yes we've just been talking about lodge lizards and i think almost you know it's it's funny but it's almost believable but there could be gigantic wizards but the idea of a gigantic flying reptile like a dragon is absurd absolutely that straight up metaphysical exactly it's completely absurd but if you look back through the history i think this reports the got back today century for example is all reports from royal you know roman reports of these dragons existing and people encountering them but the stories on even embellish just kind of like an accepted thing back then the people just encountered these strange base these based drag install base may have actually existed and painted dickinson believes that there might be something to it they may actually had been at some point in may still remain some fire breathing winged dragons at a real animals but of flying around seriously so his theory is fascinating so the problem is these things if you look at medieval reconstructions of dragons the white had to be around twenty thousand pounds now they'll be able to fly with a muscular power but it's wings dragging a twenty thousand pounds would they have a wingspan of about six hundred feet so obviously from me a physics point of view that's impossible it's just to massive to be real so how is it that this animal could exist and fly and then also add to the idea that breathing at file it's absurd or is it or is it because dickinson said that he's hypothesis came from watching old newsreel film of the crash all the wreck off the hindenburg ship lots so just for a second he said almost in a flash all of my ideas changed as i watched the monster shape crumpling tumbling in farhi fragments with the smart cloud swelling above i said to myself as a flame did that as it fell maybe there's something something to this so his idea of walder's obviously the shape is very different in went to look at but you're saying that fool valium they're full of hydrogen full of hydrogen so he believes his theory halls the dragons axial volved some from some lodge a fast moving con never taught us all like a t rex for example he said that develops huge chambered stomachs it they filled with hydrogen gas death achieving flood the hydrogen bomb from a mixture of hydrochloric acid in the got and calcium from the bones of the victims and also controls partial digestion of a burn structure which we know you're gonna do with osteo blossom austria caso whatever else that happens all the time we do break down and rebuild bertel the time maybe that somehow adapted that mechanism to be able to fuel the hodgin production in that guts they would have been so slow just sort of vein flourishing look zepplin that's essentially what that could be an essence these things a living through reachable dragons needed to breathe fire in order to control their flight to rise they feel that gas bags stomachs and descend they burn off gas by breathing out possibly with some type of chemicals catalyst as filed a similar weapon in this is the thing is as absurd as it sounds similar weapon is actually employed by the bama deep pedo it's spews out jets the boiling chemicals at its enemies to chemical compounds actually mixed together and once they leave the body in strike oxygen then create a high temperature fire outside of the bills body so there could be some type of mechanism these things have taken on this totally destroys the image of the dragons swooping down in taking a few shape and attacking villages well no i think it would just it would just be flushing oh no we've got forty minutes or descent he said the smaller wings which would be the the standard size said you would see from the drawing will be a stick proportion and maneuvering right so it would be a lot of these massive wings would allow you just were down and fly why such back so if you're not any stuffed with lance would make the sound like a balloon running out of the sky and if you kill the dragon that's the possibility that's a very possibility but dickinson believes this could actually explain some of the more esoteric aspects of dragging legend says well you know this idea of you know these colliding creatures that could breathe that fire and whatever else but they may actually be some type of substance substance to it they might be some added call it out kind of like giant slow flushing manatees and scott scott more aggressive because the reptilian a he said the siri also provides a good reason and as to what nerd norton drag and fulfil had been found in life stick mucus flooding in the stomach wolf capes the powerful hydrochloric acid needed to produce the hydrogen in check off the death and it's funny because it's like the human pancreas right it's very very hard to get sample of the human pancreas because all begins on the matter expelled the moment you pass away you pancreas is one of the first things start tearing itself apart and destroying itself it's the same kind of thing here want someone wants one of these strange dragons dies the mucosal aligning is no longer generated an asset action destroys the animal's body itself so look it's wildly i very out bag that's incredible theory but yeah it offers end freeman says this is i tantalizing possibility i i'm intrigued by it i think it's a really fascinating idea because yes there because there are all these old legends explains the west and dragging but not the eastern dragging 'cause they track in ohio last night that's true that's true right but the here she mentions that he he points these stories from namibia of the namibian reporting that they would see these lodge a flying pot since essentially and said what they what is the what these undulating a i guess asian style dragons and these things would do is they would actually have a two home runs off the fraud that had bat like wings and that would fly around but strength civil they had a glowing ball of light which would sean and it's for him this is strikingly reminiscent of the magical pills or jules said to be embedded bedded in the heads of asian dragons see these all legends of asian dragons with the jewels at the top of the head and maybe i'll explain how that could fly there well it doesn't explain that at all he's just pointing drawing parallels between reports of these strange creatures and the being even though it's described differently it could be similar now of course he says this could be all very easy dismisses being native focal but european settlers claimed to have seen them in maybe as well as light as january of nineteen forty two i a european settler by the name of michael you trace apparently was tending sheep when he was attacked by something that had emerged from a cave at the top of nearby above nearby hill he said i heard a sound like win blowing through applied and suddenly the snake came flying through the air me it landed with the todd and through itself out through myself out of its puff sorry he said the snake skidded throwing gravel in all directions and then show up in the air passing over a small tree and disappearing into the night sky and so when it's like smacks exactly but falling off this reports of flying snakes from i believe either texas you somewhere reports and this is very strange reports as well and what was all about that particular cases there were other people in the region but had dismissed it as well as being mumbo jumbo but farmworkers european follow considered gone into this location at all so reporters it they had seen these strange creatures and they smelled like produced a smell like that of the broth so i don't know what the bra smells so i would imagine it's kind of like that and mentally ill yeah kata smell again a little links these little things kind of pop up together and suggested there is something to these legends as much as the out there and they they shouldn't be dismissed and this is the thing white guy from the scientific perspective of like well it's impossible well is it is it completely impossible we should actually pay some attention to some of these legends because they may be that small kernel of truth behind them but of course if you're talking about crypto zoology the one big guy you've gotta talk about is a big foot now we don't necessarily going to exactly what we would consider to be a big foot in the west but there are reports of dl misty all these strange big foot stall creatures but they have graced but a reporter in russia andrew europe and through those sorts of regions in this one story comes from nineteen eighty seven the relates to a group of six young men aged as i said ben from fifteen used eighteen years old there in western russia there about a hundred miles from the finished border end was near like cold low of zero and won't these boys would do is it they were quite handy and so that built this cabin what's up on stilts because apparently be area would flood and so because it's up on still i would go into this place sudden in the spice could go after this almost to relax and if it flooded it didn't matter that just two young boys would do that have fires that saw that go fishing in that sit around the far relax but this one particular summer they showed up at this spot end apparently sitting around the five one evening when they heard something kind of creaking underneath the house pot and another could see this still tabassum i could see through into the bush now apparently one of the boys looked underneath the house now says he heard this thing while the rest of them got this strange feeling developing washed so this is kind of elements here of being that that paranormal thing the kicks in small and the crypt as well it's kind of paranormal is well but they looked through underneath the house i could see this pat this massive a pair of legs of eight toll gray had massive creature now the boys were quite freaked out by this and they all went running inside and then slammed the door shut up the cabin and looked at and that could see this eight foot tall essentially big foot stall creature hanging around that cabin now this creature was pissed off it was really really angry for some reason they were in holly show why so what they've done is on this cabin the haven't had no luck or anything like that but it did have on the dole this kind of two pieces of timber without shove a essentially a stick through it to keep the door closed not this creature went running directly full the dog inside of bashing on the door i know especially on the door and then running around the cabinet bashing on the cabin and they pull boys absolutely terrified the thing then ran onto the roof that sort of jumping up and down the roof and stalking around the roof now the thing finally disappeared off into the night and they were freaked out by what but sane immediately the following day when it was daybreak and those enough lot and i felt like that could leave they went back into the town and i reported it to the town that will laugh dot and geeta no one believed both these young boys besides 'cause it's just a group of boys having a heap of fun but these boys were convinced by that same so what they do is they went back to the cabin and i discussed what they're gonna do now they had access because i had tools and everything else after that built this place a nice old but i kept what we gotta do is gonna kill this but the boys i guess the judgment got the better of dumb and they decided not to kill the decided to befriend it because they realize it this thing might actually kill them that's how big how aggressive appear to be so what i started doing that get a friend it leaving food out before who needs what's going on there were leaving through that for it and it did she came over and started streaming through the left out for it but it didn't want the stewed it won't tell you something else but the boys could work out what it was so well i just saw the look on your face man would die now they liked that with other big foot's a filthy suck at truck stops but no i didn't say anything i i could see what the looks at you just made anyway again highbrow really high brow anyway these boys were they saw this thing went running for the once again this time the smash through the door actually broke off they the stick the shot through the door but wouldn't come inside it wouldn't come inside ball dyer inside i can kind of feel like that vampire element of the voting this thing in all their perhaps it'd being herm befall there's a theory he walked this thing warranted wasn't the boys it wasn't the food it was the cabin because the boys have built this cabin and that would leave it this thing it'd be living in he was a scorcher he would squashing inside it and these boys the kick this thing out and it was pissed off about it so the story is quite long and all linked to the the story of the book itself in the shutout substitution avesta oh say can pick it up and redo the whole thing is is quite a long story but especially the gave you just in the saudis to walk the code is it when this thing smash the door and wouldn't go inside it was very tenuous jumping up and down and one the boys quote a full a view of its size and it's face was kind of a it was old and had like wrinkles and it was great at hand who is great at tablets reaching through very much like the kenyan story it's hand was reaching through the side of the door had a wife the other the back of his hand end as it was being very aggressive it's still wanna go inside but yet again went back on the first but this time and i love because this time that'd be mad i had a fine guy now if you've got a five by spending if you've noticed but the fireplace the chimney itself gets extremely hawks yeah and the heat's transpose all the way up through the chimney said this thing go onto the bruce and was pissed off is jumping up and down it ran over to grab hold of the chimney itself is metal pipe and all they hear is kind of like outs i fill up and ran back into the wilderness demoss because the demoss had better hands on this pop up in the ceiling now these boys obviously we're not gonna get rid of this thing but it ultimately resulted in these boys telling their friends three more friends shut up so there's not a dumb and then falling another three short up so those twelve boys altogether trying to interact tool somehow play this game of cat and mouse with this thing the thing would actually appear on the riverbank it would come down and start shaking their boats and chasing off the end really nothing really took off into the boys were three them just refuse three of them chicken chicken out and took off a but the reminder the boys finally got to speak to one of the local council is in the local town who contacted the local militia among the local militia actually believed them they believe that there was something to this a so he went out there and sold this creature so it wasn't actually recognized that there was some type of strange big foot style recognized creature that was there and then of course all the media attention happened so all these people shut up the media went out there and of course guess what happened the thing just disappeared so it's almost like this thing was happy to interact with young boys but the whole heap of people showed up on those mainstream attention given to it everything just say something just disappeared so it's it's a very very strange reporting there's a whole range of those the rashly found all through this book so as i said a link to it but while i was going through this book there is reference and this is where i came to joining up with what you were talking about ben with a strange encounters with strange things from a vietnam during the vietnam war entering that terrible conflict is that a there are plenty of reports from a vietnam veterans but encountered crypto zoological style creatures in that region and you know some of them a little bit more extreme than others some we already know such is i think the back bode woman ben if you may recall that story well there was a group of vietnam veterans claims they stole some strange flying bat wings creature appear before then but when i looked up they realized it was a woman that had a i think there's a naked woman that had these lodge sparkling kind of wings to her she liked black skin bresser exposed glowing red eyes yeah and that was silent as she flew ever that's right and of course this is something that comes up in order these reports as well as those guys through here is that all stacked up kicks in also affecting the jungle itself goes silent which is just it's a truly bizarre paranormal thing the shows up whenever there's all the phenomena are occurring and it just seems to be something that's consistent across many of these reports but of course you know i i wanna go into some of those cases and i went looking and of course our own brand sponsor mr should invest or has written up a couple of articles about these creatures in these interactions an alert dimension a couple of the to you before we we finish up the show there's this one report the comes from nineteen sixty not in not in six dollars a real hotbed of of activity but there were reports of these a soviet out that was soldiers but there were certainly engineers those groups wisdom that had been constructing some type all of a piece of electrical hydroelectric dam in the very north area of vietnam and they know doing it during the war of course i didn't want to be american military come flying over what the beef between bomber or whatever else i just knew it so they'll always on god though role was ready for whatever what's gonna happen but on this one particular evening the report goes that apparently some terrible loud sound with mimicking that which sounds like a beef fifty two pete over the top of the now that would just shocked and terrified by by whatever this thing was so they all went running inside their tents occasionally gonna do much if you're gonna be fifty two bomber dropping something on top of you but that's that's all i could do to get cut off they right inside the ten some all the inside the noise halted its dave didn't pass over like a plane mood so they came out of that tense there inquisitive just see whatever this noise was then there's plenty of weaned and everything kind of throwing up around them in the jungle being affected by almost like a helicopter wash coming down yeah they went outside and there was this diamond block object hovering over the they're they're looking at looking at this tracing going what the hell is that it's unlike anything i've ever seen her encounter befall and just as they were going to go anywhere near this thing seemed to admit some type of pulse rejected some type of pulse which had a full like a concussion white and blue whale the tenth through everything everywhere with everything went flying back in the day when knocked down and everything was just destroyed before them they were injured obviously they'll very shaken by the strange event an they notice though because i'm gonna radio back obviously the ripple but just seeing this strange floating glowing object that was you know this deep black and kind of greenish blue light the meeting from it when they tried user equipment nothing much even that flashlights and everything with electrical had been completely destroyed by the strange pulse of the blue and everything away and they found themselves being left day in this game jungle kind of light from the moon the morning studying sleep obviously end they found the radio had somehow come back to working conditions at this is only a temporary thing had restored it though apple to report what happened now they were told to continue the mission but two days later the team made a very very strange discover it as that were continuing the mission we don't know what their mission was but the headed into the jungle door about a columbus from where the campaign where everything it'd be blown up and they found lodge black sphere just lying in the jungle is almost like being placed there by some giant hat and how it's like a basketball three majors across nine feet wide this black shiny fear that the thing had these weird qualities about they said festival it didn't cost a shutter and didn't reflect launched this episode was smooth and a touch it it had the smooth kind of feel about it but it also is a little bit in a jacket as well but the said if you read it not across the board and kohl's any damage to it so radio the headquarters but what i found and they found that that within twenty minutes of radio would work but also had to go back further to get it to work now that not they engineers going opposite venturing back into the forest and no one thought anything of it but but i just thought one of the guys what's going off to relieve himself sold going off to paying the night but he didn't come back now they oughta the other engineers were kind of concerned because the strange things out in the jungle and maybe he'd been attacked so one of the other man went and then disappear didn't come back so they got flashlights and they found out in the not the guard search the conrad but i couldn't find anything on our light up another the men just simply got up and headed into the bush in the same direction with other ones had gone that will all heading towards the spiel about what they alderman notice it were remaining these guys that i got nothing wandered off suddenly same do of being taken over in some type of trance days now the lost man it became terrified by while he had sane and he decided that he was not going allow himself to be summoned by this strange sphere animal obviously they'll vote wandered into the far there's no word on guy left actually someone's gonna do something about that before that happens but like i say hey guys no one's allowed to leave can't know apparently it seem like there were some fourth that was taking over them so wealthy engineer did is he shot himself in the leg with his side to prevent him from being back in into the far wall he said the pain in the shop from a self inflicted gunshot wounds calls made it pops out and those thoughts to not take my mind this new apparently did the next morning the solar reminding engineers working by a soviet special forces team that lost he had lost quite a lot of blood but was still alive he told the soldiers about the sphere and what happened during the night but when the soldiers had come directly much look this fia there was nothing there except for a depression in the ground and the minimal going if i had some way to play the russian spies right now that russia i would say like the shit out of that sounds like absolute boy yeah no he wants shooting themselves in the leg to avoid something that they don't understand i think about it the maybe they are if you are sitting there and you've had this strange interaction festival you just sending you afo that's just blossomed dicamba why then you're not able to complete the mission and then you find a strange nine foot speed but doesn't cost a shut shut a middle of the jungle mind logical thinking is the next step is the shoot yourself in the lead but if you've got all those tires cells to the tree not do anything else reasonable like maybe just walk away if you lost guy left just walk away but other people were being seemingly control maybe get on the radio it's backup no no no no no i get all that look i'm gonna shoot myself in the leg i know the story is that it's not necessarily the best old brand has a lot of effort to pull that story out so take it a little i will doria indeed it's not up to me but of course you know as i was going through these stories there's a whole heap of all the stories of the cottage similar the tie and what the reports of what audi was talking about that we spoke about on the show earlier this week yeah so off the v i ended the free show i'm gonna go into some more of these incredible tiles from space age indians the brand new book from audi six kill the clock and pots two and three start to branch out into let's just say be scaling end of encounters will i'm i know where you're going with that because speaking about reptilians there was one report comes from the nine seven in fact it is nineteen seventy answer this came from a group of vietnam veterans had been about thirty miles south of the demilitarized zone and that being actually a one of them was a second in command of a platoon of soldiers did it set up there's a whack and this heavily forested area an opposite cab apparently that gone out on a small patrol and some of the distance at detected some type of movement they won't show what it was but of course i thought it might have been in enemies troll or something like that so this is why did for about fifteen minutes and they would witness these sporadic strange activity through the trace it looks like some strange thing which is rapidly rapidly moving back and forth making the the movement of the trees eventually it ceased end these soldiers decided to warily move forward and go and investigate what that sane they only had a lot of the full moon the goddamn but that aside that now these soldiers claim that at some some point the entire platoon came across the mole peter be bold is stacked wanna talk about smack in the middle of a pasta between too steep hills that one side was the sheer wall and below the wall with this doc opening look to be some type entrance to the cave system is about five feet high and three feet wide men go close they said they could see the surface of openings actually smoot it was as if and listen ben editing catholic cobb why old board by some taught the machinery that the viet cong didn't have that type of technology yes they were utilizing tunnels in caves and whatever else but the creative smu's wall and smooth insurance was very very strange nas these mango close up they claim that could detect this rancid stage it was coming from the mickey blackness within and they described as being so gut wrenching putrid but some of the soldiers actually sick to their stomach and backed away and revulsion showed a lot into this in the more the cave and i said that she couldn't see anything but it seems like the stench got worse now they've pulled back about a hard fifty feet away from the entrance inspected out see what it was what was coming out of that now a few i'm flat out doesn't say exactly how long but they waited and they observed the cave opening unnoticed said the unusually quiet in that area yet again this strange us affect the current they said this on identified deep rumbling sound the same people coming from in the distance of the shocked the whole atmosphere was quite unsettling now just before dawn around five hundred hours in the morning they said they finally spots of movement at the cave entrance the soldiers ten stop and they said something emerge from this cave around seven fate in hot and moved in a very odd matter they realize this was some top of reptilian creatures are making hellish hissing sound it was a by peto human lives at scale scale shiny skin described as being so doctor was practically obsidian black the legs and arms of human like but they were gaily tipped with kohl's this is crazy i mean this is very much like what audi was talking about about the viet currently falling into this strange what shiny kind of smu title encountering these reptilian being it was one of them story one of the law stories i told him lost posture sherman story and my nuts kinda got cut off 'cause we don't have internet out here but i was just looking at marquette now and i've i've got a he is a centrally a he was a short guy who you us military since he got vietnam he was one of the the colorado the tunnel runners who flush out the viet cong tunnels kill anyone they found and then plant explosives and destroy the tunnel and he's made who he went down into the tunnels way it wasn't in the streamlines soldier also the short guy and he thought we told the story you know just off the top of my head from remembering it from oddities book where i went there is a tunnel system the went about level state and obviously with the call the tunnel now you can tell it's rudimentary design but on the fourth level v ozzy guy fell through a wall which seemed to late into something else it was i about a twenty foot long tunnel but the walls will smooths like published stunt and he said they emerged into aside astounded dumb because our in this kind of dumb drew but they couldn't locate the soul of light it was glowing but they couldn't figure out where it was coming from they said the walls around the room malek's news polish stone he said off to the left of this stone door stu and i remember explaining on that lost showed that they knew immediately obviously this this is a faint kong because the dog too big was huge it was a launch kind of eight foot non foot tall dole and as they approached it they head sounds coming from behind it and dynamical shut off 'cause those doors open they said frightening figures came through though i fate told or brownish green color they move like lightning they had bright yellow wise with black cat like people and they looked evil as they attacked us i noticed any three fingers on their hands he said that will more like claws then human hands they noses was sleeps in their faces with flat factually looks like elicits although they stood upright on huge bulbous legs i had a huge title which allowed them to move swiftly across the floor and front plus memphis i want you to remember member states how they described the way they moved they move so fast because they used the tiles as a false to propel them full so that would move in these kind of short busload pushing the tiles and they said they had a strange color around their necks and essentially they grabbed these two soldiers and spotting if isis venomous kind of yet at some say something this middle over their faces and these two guys lost consciousness dismiss they work outside the tunnel a these trailing guy who is blind by the time he got back to australia like after the war and sheldon who told the story audi he his eyesight was basically gone by the time she has the story from a so it's interesting what they stories especially wartime giant reptile encounters because i noticed wiz they are witnesses that audio interviews and i'll discuss some of these plus extension coming up there's all these similarities yes yeah like the way they move danny ferry reduction where they're located is just which connection between all these and count exactly which suggests that okay well then maybe one or two people might be backing it up but the fact that they're they're all similar suggests that maybe there's more to it and in this particular but i had been a there's no reports of that being titles but that was because i couldn't see it because while they were wearing clothing that will wearing some sort of dark green ropes is it the best says the lodge with a full set of eyes and they seem to have a snake collect look about them now of course the squad it seemed like no one gave the order the five but it seemed like the entire scored instinctively knew opened fire every piece of vegetation between them and those monsters students were completely sheet away now lido yelled out ceasefire which they did but when i looked in the direction of the cave there was absolutely nothing that at all these things seemed to have just suddenly turned on a dime and disappeared back down into the tunnel and disappeared now of course they said charges at sti cave entrance blew the whole thing up and no one knows exactly what happened after that still unsolved a very strange encounter so i'll link to that in a shutout demonstration of mystical sake and check it out yourself as a whole heap of all the reports that i might go into some obscure ports on the plus shirt coming up this week but as you said in bed i know in the postseason coming up in the moment the going more than reports from audi because they are incredibly strange reports but make sure you go and check out the book by richard freeman it's adventures ventures in crypto zoology and only to that as well but it's a fascinating book if you're interested in looking at some of the more believable aspects of crypto zoology well let me tell you a short one from space age indians the new book from audi six o'clock before we go into a plus extension and this kind of set the scene with some of those elements the standout what these encounters and this one's from clinton she actually met him through his cousin who served a faulty bureau of indian affairs police force you know how they've got their own police force on the reservations and essentially it clinton he say most he had he was in the bureau of indian affairs for a while but he decided the studies on company so ashley round i private security falls on the reservation he had a few business clients science but most of his clients were individuals who essentially one at that house looked off the wall that are on the trip while they're on holidays so we had a team of guys in that do these patrols and the reservations a huge call see you're doing you know really long patrols drive for an hour and a half to get to where you're going to get the good try so when she essentially sat down with clinton the first thing he said was look i don't know what your cousin told you and she just said look he just said you had a terrifying fi encounter and i might be out of help you put it into perspective if you tell me so we kind of opened up to her and he saw that telling of the story he said it was a a sub zero not one january when he got a call from joe's one of these guys who works for him security officer and he called in sick said he couldn't do any of these usual rounds so clinton had the cover this guy now thee a house that was essentially what they're looking off the fifty mile drive and it's subzero temperatures so he's gonna do this huge driving this ice on the roads we go drive really slowly and just recently the hater any truck had died so it's just a horrible trip pulled ready 'cause it's gonna take hours he's freezing on the way there and when he arrives at this this house he's meant to be watching immediately his truck loses power just engine shuts down the driveways about a quarter of a mile long so he grabs these flash of light which is still working fast tracking towards the house now audi awesome what happened to the truck and he said look i i have no idea i mean the mattress charge i've got a lot of fuel it just stopped working but he said there was a full moon so once he's honest adjusted to the light he was able to see quite well and then he walked up this driveway towards the house in those abon at the top of the small hill he saw light towards the back of the house immediately thinks a big list now it was a powerful awful lot like it looked like it was shining a wide beam but he just thought it's a booklet flashlight and then he saw another lie and then another so we think's a category three of these guys so he pulled out it is a revolver has it any health stuff and he's plan is to creep around the opposite side of the house get the drop on these guys in texas now he said when he reached the house he corrupt along the side trying to get the drop on the trauma surprise them and justice justice he's about to constantly pat and confront them the flashlights oil in unison told tend to hold him and he's blinded now he sees the these lights are advancing on him so he holds up he's revolver and he's like freeze and as soon as he the woods leave his mouth he feels this hand on his neck it's come from nowhere like from tremendous speed from watch with is this huge hand gripping he's neck and immediately knows this is my book now clinton this got speak he's he's six foot four weighs two hundred forty pounds he works out bench presses three hundred pounds and whatever had a hold of him picked him up by is neck like a rag doll and everytime clinton tried the struggle this grip got stronger on east knicks are finally he had to relent he had to give up any really gave up once he sold the faces of v of the beings who are approaching him holding these lights they want human he said the audio i don't know what they were but they want human now audio mosques will will happen when you saw them and he said it was strange though communicating amongst themselves but they'll using brunson whistles almost like he says he said then suddenly my silent in the back picked me up through me over his shoulder and will tools the darkness now he says ideas being carried away he could do nothing this thing is too strong he looks at the ground in the ground is shimmering with some strange life he can't tell where it's coming from but it's obviously surprising and he becomes aware that he's now being carried up some kind of wrap and being placed in a structure that's like a small room he's essentially put in some kind of break now the rooms in a big in the bathroom right and he said immediately he stopped looking for x he's trapped in the doors closed and he can't even see what the doors everything's just sealed but he says the walls all of this strange porous do like substance yeah like some kind of grain for getting swampy sponge yeah like it's alive and he's like well is there anything else about this room that you remembered and he says well this this this this deem light coming down an as he ronnie's hands down these kind of swampy walls he said it smelled like swamp or like they actually smell like a swamp and they'll warm to the touch a he bangs on the walls and they leave he's handprints yet and then they kind of go back to this they disappear into the wall softest thirty minutes of being trapped in the swamp chamber a one of these creatures comes in betrays them he dragged into another room and in this room it's the same won't be walls but it's got like a window in the corner and he just gets a glimpse out of the window as he goes out the says it's going going further and further always like a basketball to a golf ball and he realizes yawn screw you now he says look can you describe these creatures that took you and he's he says look that were huge scaling figures they had flat faces big wide mouse like look like elicits they must have sued eight feet tall i would like to wall snicks them he said they didn't have any closed on but they had some kind of built around the waist they had flashlights but i assume to a wedding strapped to their arms and their so huge twice the size of my leg and they possessed tremendous strength he said their eyes would be most terrifying pothole that had these huge oval shaped on set wrapped around the sides of the heads that people were yellow oval shaped and he said he never expected again he's well that's it the knicks seino's he's lying outside his client's house he's pants the gone and he should is gone now remember filthy filthy face traveling remember it sub zero weather and he's lying there was no closed while he's obviously freezing he has no time to be traumatized he runs to ease vehicle and thankfully he left the case inside and he manages the tony engine of suddenly he's a he's cars working and he's like well how the hell did you survive you had no hater and the truck he found an old hunting code in the back of the pickup he puts it on and he said the strangest thing happened when he started driving he's hate us not working again like you did magically being fixed and before long have you moved away from the international something he was quite well mode did did the creatures fix these hate a forum like did they fix it up so he drives in the town and immediately goes to be indian health hospital and builds a doctor on coal in the middle of the night to i am 'em and immediately lately the doctor examined salmon says a where did you get these claw marks a little mocks come from on your neck and your back and he's like what the hell do you tell the guy and he basically said oh i got tangled in some brio swallows hunting so doctors on yeah case pending on empathetic yeah great story wearing pants and he said oh i love the main a poker game before i went hunting the doctors like okay whatever so essentially he kept the story to himself he doesn't wanna lose any business he doesn't wanna get out and he's this crazy god sees john ripped off so we didn't tell anyone the story until he could trust audi with this and you know she asked him at the end is do you have any other injuries is there anything else happening he says he's nick is now permanently screwed up so he can't lift whites like you used to we can't work like you used to but he said i keep having all kinds of nightmares about these creatures no audio asks him can you describe any of your dreams and he says look i keep waking up every time the dream gets to unbearable all i know is they did things to me and the things i don't wanna think about the things i don't wanna talk about that wise pets and missing so yeah i mean it's unfortunate that he can't remember but perhaps for him it's the bad would say he did say the the next day he went out that he saw footprints the twenty four inches inches long still in the snow six inches wide audi obviously hostage take photos and he said no i don't even have like he's just got it all star trek find he didn't even think about it and she also came away with a weapon because obviously he went out there with the revolver he said he found the gun bought something was wrong with that something had melted lee trigger system fine but the tree good system inside was completely melted it'd been disabled now he took it to a gun store and the gun store guide offer them like seventy dollars for something and he just took it and it wasn't until a few days later i should've kept that gone because that's what the providence and what happened to me he went back to the gun store and he claims the gun store on wouldn't give it to him so that's just one story of these bizarre encounters and again because it's audi one of audio books most of the stories offer indians a lot of them happened on indian reservations and and it makes sense they wouldn't be told necessarily because you know they keep things themselves they have their own community didn't share everything with outside audi the great liaison in a tank taking these stories and then 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Songbird Q&A - Adam Mason - Simon Boyes

The Q&A with Jeff Goldsmith

1:29:39 hr | 5 months ago

Songbird Q&A - Adam Mason - Simon Boyes

"Yes the vaccine is almost here for covid nineteen and hopefully it'll work just perfectly but hey don't get comfortable too long because today's writers put us in a world that has twenty three and we are not recovering so well from that virus howdy. I'm jeff goldsmith and this is the. Qna jinda is simple each week. I plan to bring you in depth insights into the creative process of storytelling and folks today. I'm very happy to have with us. Co writers simon boys and co writer director. Adam mason to chat about their latest film songbird. And that's right. It is technically a pandemic film. What is so interesting about it. This world of cova. Twenty-three that they project for years into our future it's worse virus than we're dealing with now and while some people might be really tired out of the virus meaning basically everybody on the planet. What's interesting about this movie. Is it reimagined. A world of even harsher conditions than what we currently have and of interesting and fascinating note. This film was filmed in los angeles during the pandemic in june of two thousand twenty. And you know adam was kind of at the forefront of of doing a production successfully inco vid and working with the unions to keep his crew and cast safe and he did. They pulled it off. They didn't actually end up with a case and You know there's a lot of ways that things could go wrong. Even when you follow all the protocols we now have but adam was doing this at a time when the protocols weren't so clear You know this was a fun. Little episode to chat about. Hopefully there will never be a cova three or we could get control of it much better than they have it under control in this movie where it is basically ninety five percent airborne like. Don't leave your house airborne type airborne But it was a fascinating chat. There's a lot of interesting stuff to talk about the production but also for them to write this under quarantine and move so fast into production and to continue writing during production and changing it and writing four production. That they knew was going to have limitations. So i know you'll dig this episode and speaking of things to dig while you're surfing around online. I hope you'll also check out back story. Magazine over at backstory dot net. We're just about ready to release our big quarantine issue that we would working on forever. It's going to have so much cool stuff in it. It's going to have scripts. You cannot find anywhere else in the world along with interviews with screenwriters because it's it's an unpublished works. That's kind of what's to note there that so fascinating We're going to also have cool interviews with filmmakers show. Runners of tv shows that we did comic book artists as well. 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Of course i highly recommend and encourage you to check out our free issue which you could read it back stored on that or through the backstory app. And there's a lot of cool stuff in the free issue to who am i kidding man you. You'd really like it so look your support. We mean everything to myself. My journalists our editors and of course are extremely talented art director so it would be great to have my podcast. Listener's support my passion project. So thanks for considering subscribing to backstory magazine and of course while you're surfing around online don't forget to check out songbird and You know it's a great way to support independent films. There's a lot of wild ideas in it. Of course adam. And simon have have have have a lot of things going on with that cova twenty-three in the future That we definitely do not want to see But you know this is a time to support independent films. So i hope you'll check out there flick but now without any further ado. Let's get right into our chad with co writers. Simon boys and co writer director. Adam mason about their latest film. Songbird assignment added welcome. Good to see you guys. How's it going over there. Well thanks so estimate. So let's before we talk about your film. We're going to do this. Spoiler free i as we always do. And then we're going to get into your film and so i think the best place to start would be to give everybody a baseline. Did either of you go to film. School were you. Were you trained for this per se or just something that you loved and pursued right. I went to go this way more educated. Niamh we are you have you have signed has a university degree. I went to the london international film school garden in a long time ago. I think i started in nineteen ninety. Seven okay so a while back. What was the most important thing that you got out of school. And do recommend the education people always debated times have changed. Haven't they save but back then. I grew up in the middle of nowhere in england in a tiny village. And i'd never really met anyone who was involved in film in any capacity so it was felt a stupid dream or aspiration to have and then i I actually went to university to study. English and i got kicked out after six months for distance z. I think i had sierra represent attendance which is shameful and The careers advice will the last person i saw before. They kicked me out the door and she told me she said. Maybe you should go to film school you as you said. Is there anything. You're interested in life and i said well i'd like to make films. And she said we should go to film school. And so that's the first time i've ever heard of it. And then i thought they'd never accept me. And then i miraculously gordon and it was great because it was the first time i've ever met anyone else. You had interest in making films so from that sense just to the community thing and realizing that there were other people who have the same ambitions and dreams of i did was Was very inspiring for me. That's great simon. I studied film and literature university but it was a moral theory like theory course. And where'd you go work in the uk and Which is of course. I loved it. And i did it because i was definitely wanted to be a writer. And that was my my reason for doing that but It was not taught you. The the building blocks have had to make things By just anything that. I do know i learned from watching movies and reading scripts in and and then trying my hand writing from a pretty age in my teens and That was kind of my film education. I guess we'll just going to say. It's the birthplace of shakespeare but that's the wrong stratford is. It is no it is no. It's very close to strap even. Yeah where shakespeare ego lifting rights. We have made a lot in common. It's apparent especially in today's movies. So you know you're there lovers. They're separated by wall. There's no yes for him to climb. He's actually door we. We'll adam you know it's always interesting to hear breaking stories and like you got out of school in. You said you went to school there in ninety-seven and the first film that i saw that you made was dust in two thousand one. What was your yeah. I made well before that in nineteen thousand nine. These are things. I i never talk about by the way i'll talk about okay. Well what was your first film in ninety nine and the dust and what was your biggest experience that like you know that you learned on each of those if you were to condense it into into one thing that was really important for you as a filmmaker to go onto the next project i mean i suppose it was just a tenacity of keeping going. I realized While i was still at film school that i was more or less unemployable every every job. Whatever had a had been fired from. So i I was just desperately trying to work out. How i could make some kind of living out of making movies so while i was still at film school. I am a hit upon a plan where i stole of a friend. Of mine's little brother went to a private school in england and he had a yearbook and the yearbook had all his All of the parents the schools Addresses and phone numbers in in it. So i sent about two hundred letters to these. These people worked out. I asked the kid who who were the rich Parents at the school. Like the dentists and doctors and stuff. And i sent him letters and i go ignored by about ninety nine percent and i think to two or three people came to me wanting to put some money in and then ultimately To them finance my first movie. That i've made for. I think i made for like thirty thousand pounds. And it was a really really terrible horror movie title of that. Or are you talking about the we talking about the one before. Thirteen sign and then those same investors Were surprised at that movie made money inexplicably. It got this worldwide distribution ended up in blockbuster video which was It was the first those wave of films. I don't know if you remember in the canon exit. One camera k now and people started making. It was a way of making movies ready cheek because it was digital cameras allowed us to to make film without having to spend at least twenty thousand pounds of dollars on on film stock and processing and that kind of stuff so I made that movie and it got released and it did You know considering it costs next to nothing actually did really well and When go to make another movie. That i I wrote myself and it was A lot more strange. I would say and there was dust that was dust and And then i just kept going. And then i realize that it was quite hard to make a living making these no budget movies. Even though i was living still living like a student on one hundred pounds a week or whatever and So i started making music. Videos turned out the kind of horror movies. I was making seem to appeal to people in metal bands primarily and so They contacted contacting me. And i I made my first music video for like one hundred pounds or something That was an evil dead. Inspired music video and i love you head. Yeah any kind of its mobile mayor. I ended up. I've i've made hundreds of videos now and back then in early two thousands. I started making a good living doing those. I do three or four months at one point and the budgets up and that was how simon simon graduated from university. And i was the only person in our area. Whoever did anything film related. So i guess he he got my number and code called me wanting work experience and he came in work so my very first music video i love how all the cold calling you guys do actually works out because you know we've had a lot that hasn't been we're definitely making it sound like every time we got the phone something happens docked adam. That was basically what happened. Yeah well we we. Both we went to the same school but at older than me so we never knew each other at school. I think i think you left year. I arrived so yeah. Yeah but all the way through school. I'd head there. Was this guy who'd made movies. You've gone to my school. And so i had that connection so i did just call out of the blue and then it was total coincidence. Batum is like i'm making. I'm starting immediately accompanied. You wanna come in hell. I literally showed up and was just carrying heavy equipment around and But then we got to can. I said i wanted to write. And he's civilized really like the ryan garner. Let's see what happens in that was eighteen years ago. Yeah and then we then we say about making a low budget horror film that we Who can't doesn't six right broken yet. We started that in two thousand four probably and it was a that was more or less than budget movie. We made it for five thousand pounds. Wow you finance it through my music video. So what pay crew members to come into a music video and then i'll pay them a little bit extra and they'd stay for the weekend with a couple of days here in a couple of days the years we put together. This really nihilistic little horror movie it was back when varies alexandra arja we're making 'em high-tension and those kind of films that these kind of nasty nasty french wave of horror was just making money and so we we kind of quite cynically set about making this this nasty. Little nihilistic movie the ended up appropriately coming out through the weinstein company and and You know he did well at festivals and so on and then got got us over in la and we got an upgrade. so i think sorry We got an upgrade. I think the next movie we made was like three hundred thousand pounds budget finance by hollywood company and We from that. In england then off the that go into toronto film festival in off the back of that signs at ca and get work visas and move to la does great well. What was your because less enough broken just because it was something that you had to piecemeal is kind of a labor of love but you kept going because that's interesting way to shoot it. Yeah i mean it was just like don't do it if you don't love it because it was so hard work. Yeah also make a horror movie in the uk in would in november it was at nighttime was freezing. The most sound advice. You could give anybody well. So yeah i wanna get to. Today's film songbird. I know you guys have other collaborations that you did. Between but i i wanna make we have enough for this because there's a lot of complicated stuff to discuss you of course depress You know we're the only spoiler. I'm going to give him this. Section is you of course depress your entire audience in the first minute by having a news story explained that we're on twenty twenty-three and that la has been locked down for about three years now Which just sounds utterly fantastic How did you. How did you come up with with This concept and Tell us tell us about this. Wild ride of of getting it written. Then i believe shot during the pandemic as well sure i mean. I'll i'll tell the first story which was that. I just started pre production on a movie that simon and i wrote There was a real kind of passion projects of as it was. The script was really desperate to make. And finally i was giving you to make it. What was it called. it was called luna. it was with a bomb house And we we just pre production on the monday and it was that terrible week when it seems like is this virus thing real. We really going to get shut down. What the fuck is going on. I And we were in pre production and every day. I was just like we actually going to be making this movie. And the in four weeks time and it just seemed less and less likely and then finally we got to friday and we will got sent home and that was the first day of lockdown Like everyone else was in the world. I was extremely concerned white about my wife and my three kids and i go Elderly parents back home in england. I couldn't see you know extremely worried and then and then. Simon called me up the next morning. I'll let you pick it out. Yeah i I have to shout out to my mother. Because i was on the phone with us on the saturday morning. Back in the she's back in the uk oversee and explain to head. We had this film that was in pre production. And it'll just go away amongst all the other stuff that was going on and and she in a very like mom kind of way said all the people will just have to figure out another way to do things and at the time. I just thought yeah great. That's very helpful. But when i hang up the phone. I was like we could make a movie like we we. We know lots of actor friends. We have funds zoom and everything else so i called adam and i just said let's just write something. Let's ten pages out when we get into film it. Send it back to us We'll cut it together and we'll make a move wallo. This is going on. And that was that was the very initial compensation obviously then spiraled into something much bigger but yeah i mean at the same time and at the same time simon i. It always wanted to have a podcast. We'll have podcasts so This opportunity arose for it. Because it is i do. I've been doing a bunch of stuff with this. Who corn a metal band. and they. Yeah they wanted to do a podcast. Like a drama. Just not really about the band for For whatever reason they they liked to i guess. And so simon eyesight. Writing is podcast. It was about colts doomsday court and a missing missing child. Who had fallen prey to the court and adjourn. This goes to try and find the kid basically and Simon and. I had been writing it when i was here. When was in la and we wanted to try and put together a test what it would sound like written. Read out loud by actors. So we sent the The pages to actors that we knew and got them to just read into their iphones. They didn't even use appropriate microphones. And then they they sent me the mp threes. And i it most of my stuff. So i just cut together. I thought it was just going to be a rough episode and ended up being so good that we It was finished. You know and it struck me the actors the so incredibly savvy with technology because they constantly having to put themselves on tape for auditions and they often that have someone to act opposite so they're happening to kinda play both parts and give these ten out of ten professional performances with nothing to act off and so we did it with this podcast and the actors literally never met each other Let alone performed ops each other when we put them together through the magic of this alchemy of filmmaking. Whatever you wanna call it and it was. Just a seamless thing. So when simon kind of idea. Why did we make a movie. And we'll get acts as we noted recording sales with iphones. It just really felt like a visual way of doing what we'd already done achieved really well with podcast and did you. Did you release that podcast. We're just finishing now. She got shut down. It was called. it's called the nothing okay i see now. We've finally finished on a couple of weeks ago. So now we're just trying to wrap that in those But it was extremely liberating so we wrote this document On the first day of looked down we twelve page document called songbird. There was hoffa kinda of coats arms. About how we still. We could make a movie when no one else could. During the you know seemed like an impossible time. Everything being shutdown But we were pretty convinced through these techniques we could do something and we outlined what was at the time it was a movie set down and the pandemic where they were like two hundred foot monsters kind like cloverfield roaming the streets of los angeles and And we it was all very contained. Everyone was stuck within their homes like we were and it seemed like something that we could probably with visual effects. Pull off to a high standard And then we sent it to produce code adam goodman easter to run paramount. He was chairman of paramount yet. He was someone the silent knight had a bunch of meetings with and he's he's a very interesting guy very forward thinking and for whatever reason i he would respond to the material so we sent to him. It wasn't like we were looking for a budget or any financing. It was something that simon. I we just gonna do complete the offer. I am backs but we send it to him more sensitive. I just felt like he would gel with it and that it might go somewhere and the very next day he called me up and basically Wanted to he said. I want the movie. Let's start today. Pre-production there's i okay so very quickly snowball from that and then two weeks late to michael bicameral boat and this is the version though that still had the big monsters to start with you the very beginning. Yeah change pretty quickly. I think it was adam goodman who was saying like. There's no munster that we can think of this because we kinda gotta use the monster as a metaphor. There's nothing scary them. What's really happening. And it was at that point every day it was just there was a new. You were up to kind of new horrors about the world. We actually lived in And so that's when it started to take on. Maybe we actually use the. Don't need a monster to represent the virus the viruses the monster unit. I mean today's november tenth. Twenty twenty and yesterday we just surpassed three thousand deaths united states for the first. Yeah so it's it's worse than ever. It's unfortunately it's finding yeah. Yeah scary about about molds to you see like an invisible monster like walking my dog everyday like i'm scared of this like thing. I can't see some had seen a lot more scary than the two hundred cloverfield type monster. Somehow there are no absolutely You know. I want to get into your creative habit for second. Both on this film and on other films as well. How important is outlining to your process. Yeah it is very. I mean we. Actually we used to outline even more than we do. Now we we. We like pretty famous. Having some of the longest outlines give anybody can give us a sense. We once tend in an outline. That was over. I think was seventy-seven pages or a words raciest script a little bit longer than the script county dialogue or was it just pros. It was mostly pros and executives. You read it. We're not thrilled to receive a seventy seven page documents. That we we let that day but But at the same time when we came to write the script we had everything figured out but I think it depends kind of project project. I mean it always starts with an idea of one of us a call the other and go. Hey what about this and then We start toolkit. it'll begins with. They'll be talking just talking whether it's on the phone firearm person while not now but in the old days and just trying to crack story and the characters and then we'd usually go and start outlining One thing we have found helpful really hopefully sometimes just going straight to writing pages and just getting act one because it sets the time so nicely inches and the dialogue is well like and then stopping you know going back to outline because and you can change things obviously go and a lot of things do change when we do it that way where we find. It really helpful. Finding the voice of the character is that way melissa. Big heavy outline. Do you do you card when you outline or is it just like bullet points pros again. Not yeah we do like cards. But i think i think part of the problem. We just get to excited about the idea and we wanted to get on with it but but we definitely we definitely take the time to figure everything out before we hit the final paid. We'd i'm just kind of meandered through writing drought trying to figure things. We got On that note you know when you sit down to write like i'm actually going to say pre pandemic times and you could tell me what it's been like during this is when you sit down to write. Give yourself a certain page count. The you wanna hit each day or do you go for a certain amount of hours to write each day on your daily habit. I'd say for me. It depends entirely on the day. And at how. I've had days where. I've sat in front of that took very hours and produced almost nothing that i've had as i said there for an hour and produced ten pages. I think we both really fast I think we've kind of people who prefer to write quickly and then go back in population were can change and we re writing. Yeah whereas i know. I mean i was like everyone else followed you. Kind of follow the the titans out that he like to give their opinions on how to write scripts and stuff and i always say like oh three page days a great day and i'm like the way we can write three pages in fifteen minutes. They won't be very good. But and so i think we probably preferred to write to like to set pieces or sequence so scenes and then go back and explore it. What's working what's not and reiterating on that. Sunday's i'd prefer to get up and just go back over what we've done to go three days before than start something new i think it just. It's it's just depends on your mood and what's happening that day and what you slept well and is such a strange. It's a hard thing to define sung that we did. We did a script. -ment really like we Outlined it was probably ended up being about fifty pages and then we started turning that into a screen became the script so when it came to write the script we write the script in like three days basically but that wasn't like starting with a blank page and writing hundred pages in three days. It was because we'd already done several weeks. If not a month or more of very solid groundwork and we had a very solid document it was essentially the entire structure of the movie so it was really just filling in the cats who died okay and so on. I was also like writing while kind of simultaneously being in pre production. So yeah like we had a we had a villain character who was written behind but kind of like perfunctory. Like this is the kind of thing he'll say. And then we find out we we're getting storm and and it was like now we have to go in and like make this a great role united so it was kind of with. This was a little different. So i usually prices on that on that note. How long would you say that you spent on your outline. Because sometimes writers could spend longer on their outlines than their actual script because they they do so much heavy lifting. But it's for everybody. I think on this one we did because it was. It was literally that first day that that we spoke with him and he said i'm green lighting the movie. I wanna do this that we suddenly like we would just off to the races like we have to come up with characters story you know the world and so we just started writing these documents and they would just documents piling up piling sending around and getting notes back and it just it just still. Yeah yeah. I don't be paid sorry erupt. What was it that adam actually approved then like a like a pitch your initial twelve page document which was pages of how we can do this and six pages of a monster movie during lockdown it was. I was actually. It was an interesting situation because it was the only time in all careers where we we were essentially having to manage the practical production issues of of a of a movie whilst we were writing it instead of just writing it from a purely kind of creative. If you had to consider safety for example like every saying was written from the point of view like how can we do to safely and then it was also like just. How can we do it like if we didn't think that we could have scenes with two actors having compensation so yeah i promise right right but so we designed it from the ground up okay. We we'll send you needed to be a big ensemble movie with multiple characters. Just because we didn't know how many days we could spend with any particular actors so it made sense to take over an approach of having into intertwining narratives the all kind of intersected through faith through the story of movie but those were decisions that we made for practical reasons and so we kind of built it organically from the ground up always knowing that it was a movie. We're gonna make which is a luxury that we don't know when he added. So how long would you say your outline was before you really started doing script. Pages fifty fifty can. And how long did it take you to get that. That forty six six weeks. Okay yeah and once you started writing your pages. How long would you say you spent writing your pages. They three days while for a first draft but we were writing all the way through the process as well. I mean yeah. They will literally while adding shooting. I would be like getting notes and rewriting things in and then flipping into him and he was like reading them during his break. And you know like make sending me changes back and so it was. It was a lot of writing in total but it was. That weird thing is like the train is on the tracks and the tracks being built. And we writing walk with reproducing warwick costing like all these pieces of falling into place. We're looking at locations and we're like okay so we have to make that work now like say it was. It was a with was a very unusual process. We should we should. We should also say that. We took the outline that we had that was very detailed and we copied and pasted that into final draft. And by the time you then four minutes at four matador outline into these are the scenes. This is the structure Here's the slug lines. And so on. That then became a fifty page script. Sorry people keep calling me. And i don't know how to sell back from having and so. Yeah so we basically had fifty pages to start with service really three days we script three days things kind of bullshit because it was really just fleshing out what we already have. Yeah yeah no that's fascinating. We'll so when michael bay came on obviously you have you know. One of the most experienced action directors in the world here listening his his his hand in his name abyss. That would probably open a lot of doors for you guys. Tell us about some of the logistics in what it was like to work with the city of la to shoot during lockdown. I mean like you know in variety. Today they just said it. Cbs radford another tv. Show got shut down like i think for. Its second time that it had been you know trying to follow all the protocols and it just so hard so what were. What were some of the challenges in hoops that you guys had to jump through to make this movie. I mean none of protocols existed when we were in pre production new the people who am we we work very closely with the unions to create them so that was something that was going on concurrently with the creative process that simon through of writing the script it was constantly being influenced by the conversations that we were having a sag and having with the da and and the the other crew unions so it was really fascinating way of making a movie and it was. Also i think. Because simon and i come from such guerrilla filmmaking background that we went intimidated by the fact that everything had to be stripped down. It wasn't right. It's perfect for us that we were going into this with the absolute bare minimum of a skeleton crew that you could ever get away with making a movie with But that said when michael bay came on board. He gave us incredible access to the kind of talent that he work on. Michael bay movies. The absolute the cream of the crop so one of the first people who came aboard was Tocqueville this guy shack phrase. What michael bay for years and years. I mean the film looks absolutely gorgeous. Well thank you. And that's because of shock. You know as soon as i came up with the concept of song but then it was really a scenario of standing on the shoulders of giants because all of these people came aboard. Adam goodman came aboard and he bought michael bay onboard. Michael bay or all of this insane talent. So we had loaned balanced the composer. He's one of the greatest living composes really as he's doing all he did. All film in between doing mission impossible schools. You know you would never get a budget was pocket change for this movie so you would never know arrogant enough to believe that i would have ever been able to get any of these people even looking at the script for this movie. But because of the because of michael bane because of the scenario of us being the only movie going into production we were able to get demi moore to read the script and we were able to get this incredible dp for example say recruit for a second. Just just to give a sense like you know a a cinematographer. La like that usually has really big camera crew and there's a lot of equipment how many people were in the stripped down version of that camera crew. I mean it was tiny bit. He was a lead the assistant. Like how many assistance. There was. A there was There were two cameras. Sistance there was a gaffer grip that was it for one grip. Yeah the dnc and film school project. Almost it was. Yeah but you know. Because i do so many music videos and simon. I've done movies even recently a few years ago. We didn't go into southway south west that we made for fifteen thousand dollars and for years. I've just really like filming. I really like cameras and stuff. I like the whole every aspect of the filmmaking process. So i build my. I built my own camera rigs on my music videos. I i d p the myself. Even though i'm not like the world's best ep by any means but i i do i just do it because i really enjoy it and so and then when i knew that when we were making song that i would have to find a dp for example that kind of shot the way i like to shoot which is no frills. I don't need massive twelve k lights to to to feel like i'm making a movie like i like everything is small and compact as possible. So when i met jack. And i talked to him i. I saw the trailer for one of the purge movies and i was kind of like that kind of looks like much better version of one of my films. I shoot myself. Like i could tell that. He shot in installed issue. But i'm like the you know the novus and he's the genius right so within two seconds of talking to him. I just knew that we gelled and we did the whole movie with tiny eddie lights and pratt school lights lighting so movie lights involved in the making in the movie whatsoever and it wasn't intimidated by that. He loved it when you onset for typical shot. How many people would you say would be on set with you. If there was one grip gaffer to camera systems at dp. How many sound folks no sound face led. The actors had to mike themselves really out to be a mixer right or records. It was a mix it but he wasn't. I mean we we really were involved in the creation of design system. Which is the system that allows being used all over the world where you have different zones This is all covid stuff. You have different signs and different crew. Members aren't really allowed to pass on allowed to go into the different zones so as zone is being on set with the actors and it was just the actors it was me. It was the ad it was jack the dp And and a couple of cameras and said there were maybe like four or five different people on at any given time and we would all have to wear the full. Ppa so it'd be the end ninety five mosques in the face shields and the only people who wouldn't wear mosque with the actors and they would need not wear the mask during the take right and everyone he was in the as own We were tested tested three times a week and we had we had to quarantine outside of the production so that anyone before it began in joe and most importantly during it so everyone everyone would know that i hadn't been anywhere outside of my family and my family were quarantining as well with me so it was just absolute safety but i think the difference between us and the batman movie to shutdown jurassic park. They got shut down because of covid is that they're they're still using the old school hollywood ways of making movies where there's five hundred people on a crew. We would like four people and we go through the whole the the entire prayers without single positive case you know what that was because he was thank something basic like you know. One of the first rules at film school is feed your crew and you'll have a happy crew. How would you do meals. I would it just be catering truck that would show up like how would that. Yeah yeah nappy. Had a cat we we had a catering truck with where they were all. During the ppe thing there was no cross service which was unusual and Yeah i actually use. I've actually lost weight at all. The males were prepackaged was there was no buffet or anything like that. Okay okay completely separately. It was there any time we can take moscow but wasn't like you'd have conversation with anyone because he would be completed by yourself. We do doing your zone system which you know people also sometimes referred to as pods different different groups. It's interesting because you know horror writing one of the things that they teach you for low budget horror. Writing is to pick a location. Take advantage of it right. Used us what you have here. You have the limitation of having people in scenes and it's interesting because you overall never ended up with more than two people in a scene beyond some of the fights and y- most many of the scenes were actually just solo takes so so it it seems like you you engineer that on the script phase was that was that like a plan which you said like for talking scenes. There's never going to be more than two people in a scene. Yeah i mean. I think right at the very beginning we would like can. Can anybody be in the same room together for anything. So when we're trying to we were talking about the griffin family and you know you go to me and bradley and daughter in it's like can we actually do this. They were all those kinds of conversations going on and that's why so. Many of the people are isolated. Like those that has. Ptsd doesn't leave his home and is very isolated and so that was very much by design at the script level. And i think probably because we still had in mind that originally this idea that we would send pages out to these people and they would kind of fill themselves location and then of course it just became something bigger and i think it was. She was really pushing. We have to have a real camera. And appoint view isn't just an iphone in every seen yet and it went from. I think being designed as if it was gonna be eighty ninety percent iphones and cctv to being eighteen. Ninety percent tradition more traditional coverage And smaller amount of stuff. Which adam could speak to better than me but definitely yeah we. It was very much you know. Minds we all very limited in what we can do and assess where the sereny story comes from. That's put out between the name. And what was your budget and schedule. Seventeen days with a couple of days it in nineteen total wine and then budget was a tiny. Let's say it was under five. It was a small as it could be opposite is it could be a war of the willing in which people probably just wanted to do something during corn it was and i mean that that became apparent very quick because we when we finished the script and we were going out to the town. We had no idea how it was going to be received or if anyone was even a wants to risk their healths to to to to make a movie of all things but it became apparent very quickly. The everyone was really intrigued. Because it was the only movie in town back then So i think that was enough to get people curious enough to read the script and then once they've at the script that at least Puts a bed any concerns they had about. It may be being inappropriate to make a movie about covert is they they were able to see. Oh is a romeo and juliet love story that she has a really hopeful message. It's about people. It's not really about the virus. That's more like the canvas that the movies painted on than the movie itself so yes everyone was curious and then they talk to me and then i think that they would feel They'd want to know how we were going to do it. I everyone that we knew and everyone that we came into contact with wanted to know. How can we make a movie right now. And then once they did the health and safety was at the forefront of any decision we were making We just managed to get the most incredible cost ready. That was not something we anticipated. Simon said we were originally planning on using off active kind of film remotely with their iphones at home and discretionary snowboard or very quickly. This much bigger thing. What's interesting because like at the end of the day you would be working if you're under five within the confines of the indie waiver that a lot of unions have setup so we're the unions pretty good about about making deals you know from sag all the way down since you were an under five million dollar movie. Yeah i mean you know. I was directing. I wasn't producing. So i wasn't involved in that on a day today basis but yeah the unions were very supportive of us. I think everyone was trying to everyone was trying to find a way to get to work. I mean obviously we were making a movie and all that side of it but it was. It was fundamentally driven by everyone. Wanting to find a way of making a movie like the entire town shut down on that day in march the film industry across the world just stopped. And i think i think that is why people ask me why michael bay involved and i think it wasn't because of the script or or the subject matter it was just because michael bay bela's making movies more than anything in the world and he. He was really curious. How can these two guys from england say that they're gonna make a movie that translates where everyone. I want to have time to talk about the story. Details the movie itself. So we're gonna make our spoiler announcement now podcast listeners. And eighteen's of spotify or folks watching us on the youtube backstory magazine page. Press pause if you have not yet seen songbird go rented find it on. Vod however you could get it. You know how to do that and then come back because we're going to get into the finer story points so you have been warned with your with your your spoiler alert now so here. We are first easy question. Just the title. What does songbird mean to you guys. How did you come up with a title. Simon came with it. I mean it was whatever we write anything just which aren't blaming time wishing sitting whenever we document whenever we have an idea. We'll do a couple of pages outline or something and then the final the hardest we have have is. What are we gonna call this fucking thing. is a conversation we've had on every jets and it's for whatever reason they titles disarming that seemed like the hardest thing to to conceive of so we normally have a process once we've written Five thousand dollars or whatever is where we just talk for an allied war. We're going what are we gonna put on the front page just as a working title and so we knew that we wanted the movie to not sound like a horror movie. We wanted it to have a you know a hopeful so and so we just banding together. We like one word. Titles just wanted something. That was kind of impactful and memorable because we all said did sizzle. Reel thing like a proof of concept. Visualize her that we sent out with the pages so we were looking for something. That would look good in the concept of the context of a trailer as well and simon did you. Did you start interrupt. What'd you put on the surreal. It was you would go to. I mean normally what we do is we. Do you know title cards like you see in a traditional trailer that kind of outline ortiz. At least the the gist of the story. In this case it was the monster. Movie cloverfield found footage type thing set during lockdown and a pandemic what appeared to be a pandemic and then it was every movie that we can think of that was in any way similar so that was obviously cloverfield. There was maybe. He's like unfriendly. Because we thought we were going to. Film and use zoom colds and stuff. I think klay failures quiet inspiration for the title is well in a way like having a to that doesn't on the surface of pits and mean a great deal And that particularly when when we were thinking of is a monster movie but then interruptions in development. Where there's somebody who has a much bigger part of the narrative as well. We'll tell us what was it was it was i. Would guess may is the songbird right. because she's originally. It was sarah. 'cause i mean she. I mean right spit. Yeah it was sort of the original concept was there'd be graffiti. We didn't know who is doing a kind of a bank. See kind of vibe with them graffiti. Somebody's all over. And if you saw it it was kind of a symbol of Like don't give up like you know how bad he gets kind of thing And somewhere along the way in the development that bed so the disappeared and there was sarah at one point was getting kind of become the song this sort of voice of of hope for other people. split is a split second in the movie when after liter. The grandmother. carrots is where you see that. She's drawing the door but for whatever reason we couldn't pull off the drawing so i tried to cut away from it as quickly as possible. She was drawing the sign at the song read on the grandmothers doors a kind of as a tribute to her but originally she was a graffiti is to be then found out was spraying the symbol of the song. Read around the city. We had a whole re revolution sub sub vote where the end basically nico and sarah spot revolution in the city. We needed to kind of wins. Yeah that into my next question really. Because it's always fun to hear left turns and things that could have been and there is a revolutionary aspect. I was gonna talk about this later but since you brought it up now when when nico is you know looking like he's at his end at the warehouse versus you know the antagonised basically random guy shows up whose army trained who's part of some resistance and it would seem that that would be left over from your your revolution subplot so so actually tell us who that guy represents for you and did you have more to do in this other version because i was kind of fascinated. It's always fun to see like when you're infringes of play which you have going on here because it's the first thing you'll notice sorry to keep going on this but the first thing you'll notice is that there's the q. Zone the quarantine zone which you have images of from the outside but would be impossible to get you know all these together and really show inside during this movie so that was kind of your limitation. It's talked about and you get the sense that people are dragged into the zone and it's not a good place we don't know any more about it. Cer- tell us about the queues zone and possibly the revolution that would fit into it. Yeah i mean. Initially i think the area one of the original Original versions like we had a whole. That actor went into the cusine and it was kind of like this sort of shanty town. You know really really scary. It kind of district nine kind of vibe and then of course we couldn't do any of it because you can't have a disabled as extras no such as the money to get the scale of it So those kind of ideas were discussed it a lot and suddenly put into some of the outlines and it just became apparent that we couldn't really do that. And so we wanted to cues done then to become this sort of this scary place that you don't want to see what it's like inside and you just know that if you're gonna get taken that it's kind of a one way ticket And that was. That was what he's sort of developed into wall we had we had originally we had. La was divided into two by a wall that segregated the haves from the have nots. I basically the poll on one side of the ball and the richer on the other which was a theme that then ended up still being in the dna the finished movie but we we took away the literal war because it felt like a double beat with accused. Was the wall street. Was it on on highland avenue. I think one of the challenges with the resistance line was we. We didn't want to give the impression that we didn't wanna give the impression that it was a good idea to break lockdown and poor islands of the streets and rebel against this too radical government or sunday. Because that wasn't wasn't we weren't trying to make any political statements and also we think people should follow the guidelines and stay stay home obviously so it was really it was rededicated to like we. Won't we want to have that spirit of break free in and break out of the cycle but actually you do need to stay home and stay safe. So that's the fascinating thing in which when you're giving morsels of exposition. It's up to people how they interpreted. I kind of saw it as people were trying to their best to quarantine wrought but there is something that seems nefarious. because you're antagonised is heading one of the social service agencies and he is not a good guy and he's really threatening to drag people away and put them in the queue zone just at a whim sometimes beyond the health service. As well so yeah. Yeah yeah yeah we had. We had a revolution and ended. The movie became apparent. That it it it fundamentally undermined the aches of the virus attack in this within the movie and it made nico and sarah feel that stupid that they could have just gone outside all along so dangerous which is obviously not true so we get into that and i think one of the big challenges of the story was definitely without suddenly nico discovering cure for everyone which just wouldn't bixby side cheesy had have not lifting ending and of course them getting together is like a moment of the they finally get to beat together but we wanted to try and end on a mole. Like you know don't give up. Hope is on the way unit. Like help is on. The way is is still out there kind of feeling go without suddenly yet nico discovers the cure and his bathroom and we're gonna be fine. You know which is just ridiculous. So those are those challenges. Pretty lucky big discussions we were having constantly development stage. It was it was really strange as we developing the movie and then making it how when it when it started. And if you remember. But i mean the world has changed so much in the last eight or nine months but when it started always remember talking to my dad about the blitz in london. He he's eighty-five so when he was like ten young a little bit younger that was when the blitz was happening and he was talked to me about how it was actually perversely like a wonderfully Kind of unified unifying memory in his in his in his mind and how it brought people together and there was a real sense of community and adventure and spirit back then and in the first weeks of the lockdown. They kind of you know although we were all scared it kind of brought people together and it was like how he but my mom and dad had six thousand miles away in london but through the miracle of technology. I can talk to them every day and said the movie itself had this kind of real sense of hope in it but then we didn't anticipate that the whole thing become politicized in the way it did and so we ended up having to be really careful with what that's why we try to studiously avoid. Any kind of who message is simple. I never anticipated. Nor did simon. And i think that just wearing a mosque become a controversial thing. You know so. We have to be really careful with the message at the end of our movie. We didn't want to say rise up because we don't think we're people take very seriously the lockdown in the pandemic. So yeah going sorry. No no is the saying. It's the first time careers where we had to actually kind of considered like we had a responsibility to try and put forward a responsible message even though we were trying to make something that was a piece of science fiction. yeah it was. It was a strange and he said the social media like you think of the great generation right with world war two and all the sacrifices they had to make the rationing. You know you're talking about the london blitz. you have to turn your lights off. You have to go to the bomb shelters. You have all that stuff going on. And then here. In america somehow wearing a mask and social distancing has become politicized issue and i saw no bit the other day from from a guy that passed away in kansas and his relatives wrote in the obits. The passed away you know. Having gone through world war two was an elderly man. They said he passed away in a country. Where putting a piece of cloth over your face seemed as a sacrifice too great for anyone to make and you and i thought that was a very app thing to say. And i'm. I'm glad that you brought that up because it is dangerous. A little with these are militias. Running around. that are against lockdowns are against axing. they're probably against vaccinations. But we haven't seen enough of that yet. Because the vaccination as of today isn't full here yet and so it have a corrupt politician per se as you're tagging talk about the creation of harland as your physical antagonised whereas the virus is the unseen antagonist. Yeah i mean harland's nor a politician or a political figure. He's basically risen to the the head of the department of sanitation vote. Yeah but he's he was a garbage man who you know who a lowly garbage men as he calls himself. Who was promoted. I think there's a comment line student in the film but he goes. That's what the promotion because it by default he ended up running department so he doesn't represent politics or authority he is. He got lucky in in in the world of the movie he he also likes to kill people knife indiscriminately sometimes z. With with your concept originally was kind of like a serial killer type that just was arvidsson. Yes in the right place at the right time. Yeah he said you know you're a thing. I think there's a little element of that you know. People always say about the walking dead zone. Be scary but the the humans out there scarier. And i'm not saying that's what we're saying about this but i think he's a guy who's taking advantage of the situation and and when when nikos pechiney say oh i'm immune. I'm going to help people. This guy saw the opportunity. I'm immune god can do what i like. And that gets into the structure that you kind of put in there. Which is the concept of the muniz. The people that are immune that you created and they could you know go about wherever they want and the immune are generally trapped inside because you're version of cova twenty-three is pretty much a hundred percent airborne or damn close to the people are very nervous to be outside and and it could get. It could get them that way and for that muny lifestyle. It's interesting because niko your protagonist is immunity and his job is running as a courier right. He's just biking all over. The city finally motorcycles when he has a chance but it is interesting as harland brings up the muniz. Have this advantage where they know about takeover house in the hollywood hills that they like stuff like that. How did you decide on nico. Actually just being a runner with his with his muny privilege rather than something else crazy. Why is such a heroic choice to make because you could totally take advantage of being a mean in this world. But i mean you know we were saying like one of the big things that we realize is like if this awful thing is going to happen at least we're in a world where we can. Would things have to live it. But it's easy to forget that someone has to bring that to your door and you know postmates and an amazon delivery guys and stuff out there doing kinda roic work like during this is courageous and it just seemed like a really cool job for two reasons. One it fills heroic. It feels like you made a choice to help others and made a sacrifice because by being out there you know in you know coaching based essentially getting covered in this stuff which means he can't be around other people but it's also a way that we can get somebody moving across the city connecting with people who are isolated and and creating those connections between characters. So he knows when he's in trouble he can go to the griffin's and ask them helpful with the kobe twenty-three thing was we had to create a different version of the virus in real life. Just because the the rules of the world there are practical reasons that we had to do those things. I had to be through the roof because people still had to be in their homes Four years later and it was like well. You know if we want to be this red bud you know. Through being immune immune peop- average everyone who gets infected caught them become immune because otherwise. By this point everyone would be immune and the thing would be over so it wasn't like we were trying to present this overly cynical version of a worst case. Scenario pandemic of that was just to kind of like says the the the structure of narrative just just to circle back one second before before. Because i still wanna know this. Who was that guy that showed up the revolution Evening goes ass so tell me this subplot quite an interesting story. I mean when we did the first teaser. The first thing michael bay saw was a teaser that we did where we have a very good franco. Paul sloan is an actor. He's also a writer and he's also a maniac is He is just that character. Basically and we would we would right A little Monologues for him. Get him to film himself on his on his cell phone where he he would pay discount to court nails. He was muscle bound kind of steroid taking conspiracy theorists who would rant rave about the state of the world and we put together these videos where he was basically our way into the world of somewhere where he would rate. It's like a crazy. Joe rogan type character and so they saw this guy kinda fell in love with him. As a character and ultimately we didn't he was going to be the narrator throughout the throughout the movie but like we said about the the climate of the world changing the over this year like the conspiracy thing became a really real thing. And we didn't really want to indulge that we certainly didn't want to You agree with any of that kind of maeve thinking particularly but michael bay. Just love this guy who played this character of males in all of the original things that we filmed in in trying to set up the movie and so michael wanted to come and shoot some stuff film. He showed a bunch of the Second unit stuff older than motorbike. Stuff for example. And it's all you wanted to call. You wanted to shoot a scene. So simon i wrote i think they nineteen of the one thousand nine hundred shoot. We wrote a new scene where origine nico after. He got stabbed by harland just out the warehouse and went home inside patching himself up so we created this kind of new new action scene where he ran into a bunch of goons and that was where and michael rady light that character of nails so we did a version of him who bumps into nico and ends up. Saving him okay. There was just happened as though that's that's cool. Hey i'm jumping in really quick to remind you to check out back story magazine. My passion project over at backstory dot net or vr ipad. App back story. 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You're extras stunt performers. There in gas masks and suits so you're actually creating a safe set by using that atmospheric. Because you really are having but you know aside from your primary actors everybody else was masked as part of the movie and not just a you know a medical mask. They're wearing gas masks and has matt suits. So that makes pretty scary bad guys as well. You know you you got even see there is and you know. It's it's terrifying. Yeah i wanna for a second about about those scenes where you are doing your one on one. You have bradley go tomase you have dinner. Kid damyean bradley. You have sarah and ego and everybody else. You know dozer was off on his own. The guy with the drones and that makes sense. Because he's the recluse lester the hookup guy who runs the delivery agency. He's off on his own. What were the challenges of filming those one on one scenes especially when nico crosses into You know you demi. Moore's house mrs griffin's house and they have that very close exchange in the walk in closet. Everything was incredibly challenging primarily. Just because we didn't know whether we could or could not shoot certain things when we were in pre production and when we were writing so we we didn't really know we can a scene where we can have two people talking in the same space so then there was some where we just couldn't avoid it and we just needed it to tell our story so then we will get into discussions of doing split screen type filming where they wouldn't be in the same space and using these remote cameras and so on the he means i guess green screens and all kind of stuff which them we spent a lot of time looking into all of those kinds of techniques but ultimately when we started the movie in march like testing was in its infancy but by the time. We started filming in june. And you could get hold of testing and there was rapid testing. And it was something that you could Essentially purchase will pay for your So we ended up just testing everyone so any active came on set would be tested several days before and then on the day of filming so in reality it ended up being an incredibly safes that where we could have scenes between actors because everyone in that room with that. They tested negative. That day for coronavirus so. I mended me those scenes with relatively straightforward of having caja apple with demi moore for example and it was just like filming a scene in two thousand nine hundred and there was really any difference but it was a loss that had to go into it before. That's sure they. They all worked great and you know they were. They were minimum so. I could tell that they weren't caesar of that long. Would you shoot them with one camera or two. Since you had such a limited crew. Everything was single camera but we will serve because we had written so many devices into the movie like i would be filming one of the fundamental things that allowed us to make the movie. That happened was the rtp. Donna commercial with michael bay that they had shot with jennifer lopez. I think in vegas. I think in january of this year and that used the prototype. Red camera read the camera company. Okay yeah yeah they made this chemical the commode at it's now available but it wasn't when show the movie and it's basically the size of a coffee cup but it allows you to shoot six k. Images it's the cinema quality cameras. Basically has all of the technology from their cameras. Like one hundred grand but it's tiny little absolutely tiny little thing you couldn't. We have a camera any smaller than that would give you that quality and so that that camera basically opened a world of opportunity for us. That's that's interesting. Just just another exposition on the fringes question. There was the smoke plumes that you saw that were constantly going like. I thought maybe it was just something in particular was on fire but it seemed like it was something constant. Were those to represent anything in particular. It seemed like they were from the cuban. Yeah for to my mind accuse always tr- trying to find ways to make an abandoned. La look visually interesting. There's only so many if it was just something else. So tell me something about one of your driving. Factors is the he nico seeking out a fake wristband that could be embedded in the state system so that he could get his girlfriend. Sarah him out of la and to somewhere else and it's dangerous at the beginning of the movie before we know that sarah's actually immune which she doesn't know because you know him getting her out with the fake band while it would work to get them past guards and stuff could still actually kill her. But what's fascinating is that the griffin's who are purveyors of these bands you know when when mr griffin goes out bradley whitford he is wearing a gas mask You know breathing apparatus and it made me wonder if actually the wristband that he's wearing is fake and they're actually not immune so tell us about the end of griffin relationship and how that inter-plays. Yeah i mean. The idea is definitely he is not immune but he has the band to get through google post but he has this very you know fancy mosque clued oxygen tap and everything because he is at risk was she say to him. She says you thing just because you wear that thing doesn't doesn't make it true and that's why she is closing because technically germaphobe is still outside when he's burning his clothes he's just opening their sliding stuff. It's dangerous levels there. Yeah i'm the guy who's been watching old movies and anytime people are close sharing food right knocking. I'm just like a strange. Yeah i mean yeah. there's definitely some. There's definitely some leaps there. I guess you have to make. I think Yeah that was. Definitely that did. And i i think the thing for necas original plan would sarah was going to be. It's risky but i'm going to get these bracelets quarantine i'm gonna come over. We're gonna put mosques on everybody and we're gonna get adequate because there is no life here And then of course the the the time line is brought forward by the events of the movie with dying and so all bets are off. I just got to try and get you out. Because the is the worst thing there is post called came from the big sur the of this kind of utopia outside of la where people can live a life like it used to be kind of thing so as long as he got her there and in quarantine then he figured that even though she wasn't he thought she wasn't immune naked together away from the pandemic yawned thunderdome. but yes. so it's interesting to talk about the the griffin's relationships for second because he's going out at night he needs to get these illegal bands and stuff like that but he's having this affair with may and she's she's kind of trapped into it and and demi moore realizes that he's having the affair and i. I couldn't tell some curious for your answer. There's no right or wrong answer. I couldn't tell if she was angry and was selling her husband down the river because he was having an affair or more toward her character goal which is consistent throughout the movie that she was seeing him as a risk to their daughter and that seems to be her primary motive because she also goes back and forth on she's ready to kill nico because she's worried about being exposed but then when she has dead to in her sights with a gun in his face she realizes he's not a threat decides to let him go because it's not gonna hurt her daughter but you know she definitely sells her husband down the river which winds up getting him killed. Yeah she has a slightly blase attitude about whether or not. He's having an affair. So was it more disease and threat to the daughter that had her out or was jealousy of the affair. Definitely the fifth her door. We actually had a. We had a cool backstory for them. That didn't end up making into into the finish movie. Which was they were kind of separates it before. The lockdown happened and sharing custody of the kid and of course when the realized this locked ban is becoming very restrictive and kind permanent or long running. Anyway how's he going to see his daughter so she invited him back into the family home so that they could be a family that he can spend time with his. I absolutely love that. Why did you guys cut that. I can't we. We cut it because Why was it was. Because the fasting didn't have there was something more interesting somehow about a guy having an affair during lockdown like. How do you go about doing nights so reckless and it kind of made bradley's carrot to seem so reckless whereas before it was more like the original. The movie was two and a half hours long this that we shot one hundred forty six pages so there was a hell of a lot of really great material. That was caught there. Also entire story threads th. They were caught like characters are on the movie that we shot which that the two and a half out version of the movie was a lot more of an indie movie. We really did feel like a rubber opened. maybe in a lot of ways whereas ultimately The produces and i agreed with what i wanted. To kind of distill the movie down into a very commercial streamlined movie that focused purely around Nico trying to save this. That he loves and so anything that was ansari to that. Essentially we kind of caught to see what the movie felt like. The phone was also like a real katie's of smoke and mirrors because it was so low budget and the restrictions that we were under with the whole. Kobe thing was so intense If you if you break the movie down into just what's happening in an individual scene is there isn't really that much going on. But simon and i knew from watching enough. Chris nolan movies basically if take multiple set pieces in. Unc cut them. You can create the illusion of kind of blockbuster feel and really somewhere takes Is really just an illusion beside with me more like that. Yeah it was just it was also in the original version. She found out that he was having an affair with earlier on but she didn't really care she didn't feel cheated on. She just fell zero loathing. Yeah because they were separated living under the house then under the same roof which was a really interesting concept that it was more it took more real estate to get that concept across to audience in a way to get it was kind of a little bit conch even though ultimately i think simon i would agree that that was a more interesting stories. I mean look. I've i've heard of life stories. People that i've i'm acquaintances with you don't have have had to get divorces down and separate house during they have kids and then i've heard stories of affairs during lockdown and stuff like that you were actually touching on something very strange and real that i e like in dramas after this is over when it's over hopefully just on that level for a second. I think it's important the last stage of storytelling his editing. Cut out a lot of your movies. You just said you know. I'm a big robert fan. So i mean this shortcuts. Version of of songbird of songbird is fascinating to me. Tell tell me some of the other threads and storylines that you cut out. The main one was In the in the original version There was a character of a teenage girl who was homeless. Her parents had died during the pandemic and she was living on the streets and she She witnessed the murder of the homeless guy now. Harlan peterson. character was a homeless guy before he goes into serra's apartment. There's a guy outside that he Yes to death. Originally that was that was a complete in a completely different place in. Act one of the movie where calling goes out on the streets and kills a homeless guy and A homeless girl homeless teenager is filming it with a fill it with a phone. And he chases her and then she She goes to sleep in leicester play craig robinson in in the back back area of warehouse and he stumbles across a wall. He's in his has matsue and he has to make this really difficult decision of shall i let her in and say shall i let her perish out in the streets and ultimately lesser serene. And for a while you don't know if left is a good guy or bad guy because he imprisons the seen her in a child's bedroom that he has in his warehouse and you wonder. Why does he have this child's bedroom and then as as we move into two inside three realization that lest they used to have a wife and a daughter they died during the pandemic and he's kinda procam man and he basically finds redemption through get old he helps and said's and they kind of family unit and together originally in three. She was very much a part of helping eko. When they fullback kind of unit together with those earned. Let's turn and nico trying to save sarah together. She was very much a part of that was like one huge piece of the movie to go cup and it was an a great these as well. I think i think the biggest problem not problem but the challenge was always wants. The ticking clock started of they coming to sarah. It was increasingly difficult to cut to the other storylines without losing momentum. And i think that was where those decisions came from primarily but heartbreaking decisions because we loved all of that stuff i mean literally my favorite storyline in the script and that is clean out. There's no trace of even your ending. He sends lester. Wristband and lancaster. Has this other person would be there in your movies. So what lester. As a choice of us his wristband to go somewhere or does he have to secure win for her. Now roy respond because he's the guy that was of the one thing he couldn't get but yeah but in the narrative but yeah but That was never in the script was the wristband ending. Yeah that was. That was something we added in quite late on. Okay you know. Rita serious serious relative gets she's quarantining with is d. Think that she got the virus just out of sheer curiosity how this version of covid twenty-three works did she get the virus because somebody else in the building had it and it went through the ventilation because they were there earlier taking away a neighbor it was actually a storyline but there was a storyline shot where she would she would sneak out to gossip with neighbouring smoke weed and it was another one. I sing a just. It was really cool scene but it just made. It seem like too easy to leave your house and suddenly it's that easy to leave your house and gossip with your neighbor. One more people breaking the rules. And why wouldn't sarah break the rules and it kind of under the rules you you stay in your house and your door. States shot Well in the theory is you stay in your house. Your doors stay shut not just because of a show of force because there aren't armed guards outside of your nose because of the virus yeah and it really undercut all of that stuff and so then i mean it's it's sort of background stuff but you notice on the on the floor of the apartment building. One of the doors is already been kinda condemned with caution. I saw you today to get taken. And so the idea was. I mean i think hall has like One point like it's amazing. How often. I have to come back to the same address you know like once. It's in the building you kind of in trouble And how holland says. It's been an outbreak of cases in your building. That was that was never a nearby that was never in the script that we shot so the news for. She's saying about virus being able one and stuff like when the news report says that in the movie. That was all stuff that we lead in nature on to try to try and make sense of how legal sick basically and it doesn't make sense. I thought it made sense will so obviously with a timeframe that shore. You really can't do re-shoots. Was there anything that you had to really challenge yourselves on during editing through a dr or something like that to get across. Yeah i would say it was a that was one of the other great things michael bay boats it was kind of. He caused a light on all of the sort of bits. That didn't quite make sense. And four simon to come up with way you know. Small efficient ways of them adding story points across the audience that we hadn't probably considered in the sprint to get into production. So you know. Every every every news clip you see in. The movie has a has a a narrative reason for being there that it is explaining different things that were important. Mr griffin is gonna kill me at a certain point because he doesn't want his family exposed and you know dozer comes to the rescue with this drone that could blow his head off. What do you think was going through his mind to have that character. Go from just like you know westside househusband till like killer with a gun. Ready to kill. Because it's definitely a departure for what we've seen of the characters so far but it was interesting because your movie kind of went into you know killer slasher film area in that in that. I think that was from the same stuff wasn't assignment i do was a a lot. More creepy william griffin stuff like the original scene where he goes to see may had an almost kind of david lynch by to it was very disturbing and with breathing mosque and yeah and he was clearly a very bourbon. It was very much that this the original steam is about four times as long and was genuinely disturbing and automated back in. it ended up being. He was really just a bit weird but was having an affair with super jealous of right of may there's also a bunch of stuff where she originally met those because he was watching her with the drone. So william blessed The join watching and you didn't know if he was like a stalker or not and then he delivered. Some reason. that may was a singer was the she She didn't have any guitar strings and she wasn't able to go out and just buy and they really hard to come by in future world so does a left some guitar strings on the hood of her car for her with them. Offer this drone and that's how they started this relationship. And amid originally william was aware of what was going on through her because she was straight. Livestreaming fuck someone's got me some guitar strings. How sweet that. That kind of started to seed of william being jealous original version. So that was you know running through the entire narrative as opposed to where it is now where it kinda comes out of the blue. Yeah i mean it meets sense. Why the drone was there at at one. Point may says that she's going to come to his house. He invites her over. Was there ever more to that of the possibility of like those two characters coming together. it was. Yeah there was there was. It was definitely truncated in the finished film but that was definitely more of a kind of is it a romance. Oh yeah never quite got there but it was definitely sort of a sense of these two people kind of needed each other and it found each other in the way of ways So seeing where she turned up at his door did win at one point she house and they're going to like live together but almost felt like too much of a stamp for that relationship so and rules that why could seren nico just do that. Yeah yeah right. Neither one of them had immunity bracelets either. So right the why no. We're starting to run out of time here. So i get a wrap it up in a in a minute or two but but the silliest thing and i mean is the nicest way but it was just like it made me think for a second was the griffin's made marie like goes home at the end. It's this nice moment. And then i'm sitting here thinking i'm like wait. A minute did the griffin's kidnap and make this girl be. They're made for three years and this is the first time husband and they've now just released like what the hell is going on there. Maybe i'm off my rocker on this. We were we work quite a quite fascinated by the fact that a lot of people kind of kept on their Nannies and so the nannies and and people that that help them out around the house in in beverly hills and places like that and we were kind of wondering. How does that work. And we were taking that to his leg. Extreme i guess but yeah. It's essentially that they had no kidnapped though. But i mean you know. People need to get paid and need a job and she had. We think there was a line at one point where nico is saying to lester like. This is so they'd like imprisoned this woman that she has a job like most people are unemployed. Most people don't have anything. She has a roof over our head and she has a job and he was that kind of conflict of physician good thing or a bad thing and ultimately she gets to home and it was. It was interesting because it was it was. It was good because again it was. On the periphery. And it just made me think. Like wait what she kidnapped. Let's here she was not kidnapped. But you're right. She kept going. I know people that have both let nannies go and kept them. So i you know your toughest seen so both of you as writers starting with your toughest seen on the page and how you creative re reach the challenge and then adam of course your toughest seen as a director. What was the sweating. The senior kept rewriting the scene you kept struggling with and over and it could be different for each of you but on the page i'd say more than just any seen just the the whole opening of the movie and trying to establish the world. I think that was the thing we probably came back to. The most in terms of getting the information across about how different it is from now but how ohio similar and that whole web of introducing everyone at the beginning and how are they connected or not connected yet but a going to be and what are the. What are the rules of the world that we had to get across so quickly that that my memory anyway. What we came back to the most and we're constantly tinkering with and trying to trying to figure out Trying to this specific seen wise other than that than anything out in the. I mean there were there. Were quite a few logic things that we were constantly. stressing about particularly. How did grandma gets sick. Was one of them. Where we we spent ages weighty worrying about that and should we film the scene film and if we don't film it how the hell are we gonna have it that she got sick and then ultimately it was just a throwaway line and says there's been an outbreak of the virus in your building and it was as simple as lab but that was three months of simon night putting a hair out trying to work out. How does she get sick and then side as a director. I mean you're you're in multiple formats. You're you're doing a film under under quarantine conditions. You're using go pros. You're using iphone by the way those phones real in the movie. Those weird phones that. Oh yeah yeah. That was Yeah that was an l. g you fund hadn't seen those but but but anyhow so adam what was your toughest seen as a director the one logistically or just the one the mathematically acting wise that was tough for you and you need to rise the challenge to to get over it. I wouldn't say any of it. I mean some movies. You just have locked in some. Maybe everything that can go wrong does go wrong. The last movie we might was one of those. I would say whereas this one. It became clear very early on the resource padlock on our side And the shoot went relatively smoothly but there was this the fundamental fact that we had to do twelve pages a day and and we couldn't drop the ball there was no there was no possibility of doing reshoots and that kind of thing just having the pressure of doing that kind of page count and then compounding that with doing a movie during lockdown during a pandemic and having to do twelve pages day and then the one misstep the i think i i take responsibility for it radios that we thought that we were being ready small by having all of these cell phone conversations because it was a natural way to isolate people. But i never really thought about when you film fun. Conversation in a movie one page becomes two pages because you have to film both sides of the conversation so you have to film each page twice so suddenly i had one hundred forty six page scripts and i was actually having the film that times two is almost the entire film was done at a cell phone conversation and so i would just be putting my head. 'cause see toll paid sunday at all coming eighteen so they become an eighteen page day which is just ridiculous. I mean no one's eighteen page days everyday became because there were so many phone conversations and we don't fuck we got to do another fucking phone co starring. Did you start giving up on. That sometimes cheated of like. It's okay to hear them. We don't have to see them. No because i just knew that we would need to see biocides at a compensation and i structured it. Because i knew the film would be so Performance dependent that. I didn't want to just do. I've done these kind of like social media type films before where you have an actor acting with a a black screen on an iphone. And it's it's really difficult to maintain believability so the with with this. Where hinged on so many facetime conversations for example that i really wanted and k j to be able to act opposite so fear and vice versa so i would bring in the actors and i would have them sitting in a in a building adjacent to where we were filming and the film always fun course with that in real time but we would have to film by size of them so when those on the screen talking to me like he was really on the screen talking to may but then i had to reform that scene. Wherever again i want some of those things where like six page scene so it had to fill may side not to film doses and that became. I won't do that again. I was was that always your ending. Did the two of them get away. Was there a different ending. That you ever considered yeah. It was an extended ending where we sold them in. Biggs together. Which was which was nice. And i wish we had the option easter phone them. I think that was always the ending. Wasn't it was always that they they did escape together. Yeah we really adam. We had to end on a on an optimistic note okay. We'll pick it up back on editing anything when you're like you know not in the editing room because he wouldn't be together but when you were watching your cuts you're like damn if only i had this one shot but you know you had to shoot. Everything's so fast. Was there something adam that you were just kinda wishing you had a shot of during editing. That you just couldn't get yeah. I guess the only thing was ready to end at the movie. Which to me i i still kinda cringe when i see it. Just because the way we shots it we were always going to have an extra day of bike shorts where we would see them on the on the pch. And on a whim. I was just like maybe i should just sell them. A green screen Just just to have it. And i did and then. Obviously that's what we ended up using and i kind of kick myself. I did that because otherwise we would have had to. Spend the money to go and fill that because i showed it. Everyone's like oh now we as fine. Don't worry about it when i'm seeing a few shots in the movie that we should should've spent a bit of money there. I mean you're using drones and you had aerial stuff going to some of it. I know was stock footage. But like yeah. It's it it was. It was clear what they were doing. That makes you cringe. But i can't really tell my just the close ups of them. The helmets on somewhere else i suppose i would have probably had to show them in that way anyway but to me it just looks a bit janke. That's what's next. Are you guys gonna pick back up with your blood house film. That was shut down. And what was the title of the film again luna no not getting filmed a few months ago. So that's coming out at different rates and really they took your film and they basically send it to a foreign country where there isn't as stringent lockdown. Is that what happened no no they filmed it in la. Recently i received a few weeks ago. I think right. Yeah but i was. I was tied up with some bread. So i i couldn't say it was i. Yeah the they did. They did a series called into the dog for hoodoo which risk the standard features like horror features a different one each month than i did two of those last year and then this was i was going. It was the final episode of the second season. Which is the end of the whole homerun and It was something. I was really excited about but i understand within the tv schedule. Said they just as soon as they could. They had to film it. And i was trying to desperately made myself available and i couldn't say it was just one of those things. What's what's next for you guys. Have you been working on a new script in lockdown or dude. Are you going to revive one of your old ones. What are you guys working on next. Few things where yeah. We're working on a new spec at the moment About and yeah kind of trying to take a bit of a breather as well and think about what we wanna do next. but but i think Yeah we have. We have some some old skirts. We've dug out that we want to kind of give a fresh look at and Yeah so i think one of those. Hopefully yeah such time those. Because it's like the kobe things the elephant in the room. I d when you're writing a script now do you. Address gobert is after it to the characters like mentioned the fact that we will just been through this crazy yeah. He's been so hectic for us. This year. simon. Either we became simon and i came up with the idea on the first day of locked down. And now here we are talking to you. We just finished the film and gone straight into pub- publicizing say yeah. No it's it's. I think it's something. Y like queen's gambit right on netflix captivated so many people because it's in yeah he's set in the nineteen fifties. You don't even have to talk about it or think. Yes yeah well. that's great. You guys are thinking of your next project and that and that that you're going to figure out what you do before covid twenty three hits only one today and you'll get shut down for covid. Twenty three and twenty four and whatever the hell else You guys have been very generous with your time. I can't wait to see what you do. Next adamant simon. Thanks for your time today. thank you so much. And that's the qna went down special. Thanks again to co writers. Simon boys and kereta director adam mason for coming down to chat about their latest film songbird and of course this is a great time for you to support an independent films so please go seek out songbird and make sure to rent it. Take a look at it. Spread the word about it. That's that's what we're doing. We're helping each other out. And these are independent filmmakers. That really wanted to make a film during the pandemic and they did and they pull it off and it's a fascinating thing to see and while you're surfing around online there might be one more stop you could make. And that would be over at backstory dot net to check out back story magazine. You could also read us on a desktop laptop or via our ipad app. Back story while you're there you could save five dollars office. Subscription using the code. Save five that save and the number five. You could use that it. Backstory dot net but your credentials. Were work on a desktop or laptop or ipad app. But you have to go to the website to use the discount code you know. Look if you've never read us. This is a great time to read our free issue. It really shows who we are. Being a subscriber gives you access to our archive which now goes back to issue thirty. We're just getting ready to release our new issue issue forty two. 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Science News Briefs from Around the World

60-Second Science

02:17 min | 2 years ago

Science News Briefs from Around the World

"Hi, I'm scientific American podcast editor, Steve Mirsky. And here's the short piece from the June two thousand nineteen issue of the magazine in the section called advances dispatches from the frontiers of science, technology and medicine. The article is titled quick hits, and it's a rundown of some science and technology stories for round, the globe compiled by editorial contributor, Jim Daly from Canada. Archaeologists have now confirmed that Toronto service Rex skeleton found in the nineteen nineties at a fossil site in Saskatchewan is the biggest and heaviest on record at nearly forty two feet long almost twenty thousand pounds. Scotty as it's called surpassed the record set by the famous sued t Rex which was found in South Dakota in nineteen ninety from Argentina are gala GIS identified a site, where ancient humans killed and butchered giant ground sloths, mega theory, American. Madam in the pampas region in eastern Argentina, the find provides evidence that Uman's contributed to the sloths extinction from Kenya. A science teacher who won the two thousand nineteen global teacher prize announced he intends to donate, the one million dollar award to benefit society, Peter to Beechy a Franciscan friar mentors, a science club that came in, I in its category in the two thousand eighteen Kenya's science and engineering fair from the autonomous island of Anjouan in the union of the Cymru's, that's in the Indian Ocean between the east coast of Africa, and the northwest end of Madagascar geochemists at Columbia University, found a load of court site, a metamorphosed rock formed from sandstone on the island of Andrea on the island is volcanic, and had been thought to contain only Ignace rocks. And from North Korea physicists at Kimmel sung universe. City in Pyongyang have brokered a rare green to collaborate with Italy's international school for advanced studies in Trieste, the North Koreans will study, computational neuroscience with talion physicists that was quick hits by Jim Daly.

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The Morning Briefing: Friday January 17

The Briefing

02:09 min | 1 year ago

The Morning Briefing: Friday January 17

"Hello I'm Danny Boyle with the briefing from the Telegraph bringing you up to speed in two minutes. It's Friday January the seventeenth and there's a twist in the big bend and Brexit campaign. So it's the bid to get big Ben to bonefish Brexit's on the night Britain leaves the EU but the idea is descended into false else today. Brexit is had donated more than one hundred fifty thousand pounds as a Friday morning. But it turns out that can't be used to fund the chiming of parliament's Great Bell. The House of Commons commissions ruled. It would break rules on financial donations and chief political correspondent Christopher who reports on the Westminster blame blame game and Rebecca. Long Bailey's attempt to replace Jeremy Corbyn risks being derailed. That's because of an abortion row. It's emerge she objected to the law on late terminations. We've got all you need to know about the final leave Labor candidates. Now you might remember the case of Molly Molly Russell. The fourteen year old who killed herself after viewing self-harm content online her father Ian blame social media for her suicide. Well he's now calling funding for new laws for tech giant's be forced to hand over their data. He says it would be an important first step. Mr Russell's joined with the Royal College of psychiatrists is to write a joint article for us. And this is what you'd call a cat fight at Chelsea flower show. When is being taken to court by her neighbors? She was accused of adopting their pet cats. By changing its color taking it to the vets and lessen it in her house the Garden has now spent twenty thousand pounds homes in legal fees. She's argued the cat made up. Its own mind. We got the full extraordinary called details. Right stay put. If you're listening on WHATSAPP I'll send you those links. Now if you're listening on spotify apple wherever you get your podcast you'll find them in the show notes as well as links to an interview with Dev Patel. He plays David Copperfield field. But hasn't read the Book and Ellen the stifles suggestion for Friday night. Dinner that's it. You're up to date. Chris will have your next briefing.

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38 percent of Americans listen to podcasts to improve their mood

podnews

03:47 min | 9 months ago

38 percent of Americans listen to podcasts to improve their mood

"The latest from our newsletter Pot News Dot net. Thirty eight percent of Americans, listen to podcasts to help improve them mood that's according to new research from Deza, the music and podcasts streaming company founded. Americans are three times as likely to use podcasts to combat loneliness compared to some European countries. An update from anchor following our story yesterday that I could automatically delete your account without warning Anka. Say they do not have an algorithm that automatically deletes duplicates. Instead, the company's is a combination of automated and human detected signals to assess potential infringements and tell news podcasts always elevated to human before any action is taken. In the case, we reported on the podcast hat quote, similar contents to the lipson hosted spotify enlisting. Their return one has subscribed to Nielsen's podcast buying power service. They'll have access to podcast insights spanning eighteen genres and over one hundred and fifty individual podcast titles Bubba. The love sponge a radio personality in the US has launched the Baba Army podcast, which is to be reps by crossover. Media Group Sales Bubba calls it a guests driven podcast that's fresh current relevant, and will become a daily destination for folks who want to have a little fun. iheartradio and Sean Dylan's media announced new podcast with more on the way sean to land media's. AWARD-WINNING TV writer and producer Shonda rhines and you APPs shuffle looks interesting promising that you swipe for the top podcast highlights. Stati cast is a new simple static podcast website generator. If your idea of simple uses composer and markdown, that is now one in five creative jobs are expected to be lost during this pandemic diversity podcast greater than eleven percent is marking twenty thousand downloads. Downloads with crowdfunding efforts to raise twenty thousand pounds for small grants for those in need of support and thank you to build a cast latest suppose, which contains all the resources, tutorials, gear and guides you need to build, grow, and monetize your podcast. They've helped improve our caching strategy to make our site even faster. You should be like them at news dot net slash patron. And, it cost news podcasting essentials has Edison. James Cridland. That's me as a guest talking about what the impact of Covid nineteen has been on podcasting. He also discusses the latest news. It says here, he produces his own daily podcast. That's this one and has some polls predictions about the year ahead what they were. Also on dead set podcasting with Josh listen mainly talking about radios. What is podcast? If you want to know the podcast to avoid? Especially, I, talk about the difference between Australia the UK and the USA the jump is Shelly Manson's music interview podcast returns for new season featuring interviews with influential musicians. The syndicate is new today from Cumulus media's. One say true story podcasts that follows a multi-state marijuana drug rings Reisen, fold the often forgotten b. in the acronym lgbt now has a fresh new voice according to the Manchester UK based producers of Bisexual Brunch, and on the heels of a sponsored sci-fi podcast, we've featured last week. Newest podcast from BMW is play next music discovery podcast with UK radio personality, Edith Bowman features full tracks, which is interesting, and that's the latest from our new set subscribe at news. Dot Net.

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In Hotter Climate, 'Zombie' Urchins Are Winning And Kelp Forests Are Losing

Environment: NPR

03:51 min | Last month

In Hotter Climate, 'Zombie' Urchins Are Winning And Kelp Forests Are Losing

"California has a sea urchin problem. They've exploded in numbers off the northern california coast and these purple spiky urchins are wiping out crucial kelp forests so scientists are searching for ways to slow him down. Here's npr's laura summer diving. A kelp forest is a lot like walking through a real forest. The seaweed is thirty to sixty feet tall. It's very surreal. You're kind of coming around. And then you have this large canopy over you. That's kind of filtering light. At least that's how it used to be says. Meredith mcpherson a graduate student at uc santa cruz. She and her colleagues found that ninety. Five percent of kelp forests have disappeared in counties north of san francisco. Cal provides a key habitat for all kinds of marine life. We were expecting something like that. But it doesn't really make it any easier to digest in terms of the actual loss of the coastal ecosystem because of an ecological double whammy. I came marine heat. Wave known as the blob. Water temperatures rose far above normal then came a more direct attack. Purple sea urchins. Their veracious grazers. They devour kelp. Sometimes we see dozens of them. Crawling up the stem of the kelp and kind of taking it down from there. Normally urchins are kept in check by their main predator off northern california a giant starfish sea star scientists call them known as the sunflower see star. But they've been wiped out by sea star wasting disease. Scientists think that both the disease the blob of warm water were made worse by climate change even now with most of the kelp off northern california gone the urgency everywhere. Kind of like zombies. They can last for a long time without eating and they just they just live. Morgan murphy. Cannella is kelly restauration coordinator with reef check california a group of citizen scientists divers. She's leading an effort to help. Beat back the urgency on a small section of coast were divers are systematically removing them and they clear by handsome guys have like rakes attached to their hands kind of like wolverine from last year they remove more than twenty thousand pounds of purple urgence. The idea is to give kelp seedlings a chance to grow at least in one spot. I think that we can do this. It's gonna be a long term project. But i think we can create these oasis songs. Were weakened see coke robot and because they are are so widespread some are trying another approach ordered on a corner in san francisco. Stephanie matz puts four purple urges into a bag for customer. She runs see stephanie. Fish based in santa barbara. These customers are after the urgent unique it's coveted reproductive part. I mean they're just so good as a diver. Matz watch these purple urchins boom. They're easy to catch but without a lot of help to eat. They don't have much union side a lot of times. They're just like super skinny. You're empty inside. They're not marketable at all so much in. Our partners have started urchin ranching. They catch them in the wild then fatten him up at a shellfish farm since the pandemic started she's been selling direct to customers for this san francisco pop up. Her online store sold three hundred oceans in six minutes. You're it has gotten out about the nuisance of the purple urchin. So it's like. I'm doing really great for the environment. I'm gonna eat these guys other urgent ranting. Projects are getting underway in california. Eating urgency isn't likely to solve the problem alone but in a few places it might buy the kelp a little more time until conditions. Get better lauren summer. Npr news san francisco.

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NPR News: 02-10-2020 2PM ET

NPR News Now

04:39 min | 1 year ago

NPR News: 02-10-2020 2PM ET

"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Lakshmi Singh for Senator Bernie Sanders. A virtual tie won't do. His presidential presidential campaign is now requesting partial re canvass of the Iowa caucus results after last. Monday's tech related to buckle this as sanders in and the other Democratic candidates attempt to shake off the uncertainties of the past week and deliver an undisputed outcome. Tomorrow in New Hampshire senator. Sanders says he's got the strongest grassroots campaign of any candidate to make that happen we have had thousands of people knocking on doors ores talking to the neighbors all over the state. I am told that on Saturday Saturday alone. Our volunteers knocked on twenty percent of the doors. In the state of new the Hampshire in one day. NPR's Mukalla reports. The candidates are on a final campaign sprint in the state ahead of the Democratic and Republican primaries the the momentum seems to be behind the top two finishers in the Iowa caucus that's Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders and the former mayor of South Bend. Indiana p Buddha church on Sunday both campaigns touted record crowds still a large percentage of New Hampshire. Voters could change their mind. Elizabeth Warren has high expectations as a senator senator of a neighboring state and judge is facing pressure from other moderate candidates specifically Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar and former vice president. Joe Biden Biden has been downplaying expectations in New Hampshire. But over the weekend he also escalated attacks on some of his rivals us MacAulay. NPR News Manchester Gesture New Hampshire. The Justice Department has announced charges against four members of the Chinese military for the two thousand seventeen. Hack of the Credit Bureau Equifax ax. NPR's Ryan Lucas reported. Defendants are accused of stealing personal information belonging to about one hundred forty five million Americans the nine count indictment includes charges of economic espionage and conspiracy to hack into Equifax as network prosecutors say the Chinese nationals illegally accessed the company's computer system via its it's online dispute portal. Once inside. They conducted a theft. That Attorney General William Bar said with staggering in scale the hackers obtained the names birthdates and social social security numbers of nearly a hundred and fifty million Americans and the driver's licenses of approximately ten of at least ten million Americans officials say there's no indication at this point that these stolen data has been used while the defendants are believed to be in China. US officials argue that bringing charges against them has a deterrent effect. Worked Ryan Lucas. NPR News Washington the WHO has an advanced team of medical experts on the ground in China to investigate the corona virus outbreak the head of the WHO WACO announce it after two weeks of Chinese government had agreed to allow the group of international experts. You're listening to NPR knees. There's been a shooting at a Walmart in eastern Arkansas local media. Reporting Three people were shot at the Bentonville store or the Bentonville store that is has no word yet. On the extent of their injuries walmart has been gradually expanding security and implementing stricter firearms measures at stores after shootings in recent months at Walmart in El Paso Texas and another in Hickory Hill Tennessee. The coastguards reportedly hauling nearly twenty thousand pounds odds of cocaine seized in several drug breasts in the eastern Pacific Ocean since November. The car goes estimated to be worth about three hundred thirty eight million dollars. Birds of prey may have landed at the top of the domestic box office chart but it was rough. NPR's Trina Williams reports the action adventure that you're earned just over thirty three million dollars over the weekend lower than projected for its opening. It was enough to finish first bud. Birds of prey failed to meet. Expectations dictation the joker and I broke fresh start. Turns out wasn't the only thing looking for a mental patient Birds Impreza. DC comics adaptation and spin off of suicide squad centered around the character Harley Quinn former champ. Bad Boys for life is knocked down onto runner-up status meanwhile Oscar contender nineteen seventeen. Held strong even as it fell to number three doolittle. Andrew Mandi the next level also so saw little movement finishing at number four and five treat Williams N._p._r.. News I'm Lakshmi Singh N._P._R.. News in Washington.

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NPR News: 02-10-2020 6PM ET

NPR News Now

04:39 min | 1 year ago

NPR News: 02-10-2020 6PM ET

"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Jack Speer the Buddha judge and sanders campaigns of filed requests for a re canvas of dozens of precincts in Iowa where week later there are still locked in a virtual tie for first place. NPR's same greenglass reports. The rivalry has now spilled the over New Hampshire P. Buddha judge has been ramping up attacks on Senator Bernie Sanders. We cannot risk alienating Americans at this critical the moment. And that's where I part ways with my friend Senator Sanders. Buddha judge says. He's the consensus builder in this race. The former South Bend Mayor told a crowd at a college in Plymouth that Sanders plan to abolish private health. Insurance could repel some voters. Buddha judge said he also wants to make sure everyone can get coverage just as long as we don't force every American onto that public plan. That's the opportunity in front of us or the risk if we take it all the way to the extreme sanders it has been leading many polls here with Buddha Jr often trailing closely behind him Sam Greenglass. NPR News Plymouth New Hampshire as the trump administration submits a four point eight trillion dollar election year budget. One area that would see its funding cut. would-be money for hazardous waste. Cleanup trump's proposed budget package calling for one hundred thirteen thirteen million dollars less than funding for four decades. Old superfund program that targets. I'm the country's most polluted sites. We part of an overall twenty six percent cut for the environmental. I met a protection agency under the president's proposed. Spending blueprint is budget. Also recycles previously rejected cuts domestic programs like food. Stamps and Medicaid. Spending plan though is virtually no chance of being approved by the House the World Health Organization says there are now eleven labs able to diagnose the corona virus in Africa. NPR's Ada Peralta. Walter reports authorities are worried. The virus could quickly overwhelm Africa's health systems when the virus was first detected in China Africa only had two labs capable of identifying to find the novel Corona virus that meant that dozens of countries were shipping samples to South Africa Senegal or Europe and it was taking days to test suspected cases. Dr Michelle Yeoh of the W. H. O.. Says many African countries have fragile health services many for example do not have the respiratory equipment needed to treat the most critical cases that means the virus would likely be deadlier on the continent. Is why the early detection is will be a critical the best way to control all the virus in Africa he says is to keep it out or in the least detect imported cases quickly so they could be contained. Impair News Nairobi Nairobi. Xerox is upping. Its offer for computer and Printer Company. HP's Iraq's raising its bid to nearly thirty five billion dollars HP rejected previous offers saying it undervalued undervalued. The company stocks gained ground on Wall Street. Today the Dow one hundred seventy four points. The Nasdaq rose one hundred seven points this is NPR. The State of Pennsylvania says it is filing suit against a luck electronic cigarette maker jewel the lawsuit over how the company markets its products including. How in in some cases those products are purchased by teens? Pennsylvania's seeking an injunction to halt jewels sales of e cigarettes. In the state enforce the company dramatically revise its current right business practice lawsuit as many as a quarter of all high school students in the state of reported using e cigarettes. Another effort to use a drug to slow or halt. Alzheimer's has failed and bureau's John Hamilton has more on a study of people who develop symptoms in middle age. The study looked at nearly two hundred people with a gene mutation that usually causes memory Marie and thinking problems in their forties and fifties participants received one of two drugs designed to remove a sticky substance that builds up in the brains of people with Alzheimer's but an initial analysis showed that neither drug delayed symptoms. Even so Dr Randall. Bateman of Washington University in St Louis Says Studies like this one are important. There's a lot of information information that we get out of these trials to tell us what is actually happening to the brain of patients how that changes and how people respond to the drugs. Bateman says a a detailed analysis of the results will help researchers design. Future Studies Have Alzheimer's Drugs John Hamilton. NPR News coastguard officials. Say hundreds of millions of dollars worth cocaine seized in the eastern Pacific Ocean has now been brought to San Diego estimated twenty thousand pounds of the drug worth an estimated three hundred and thirty eight million dollars being offloaded today from the cutter. Munro at naval base. San Diego was seized in between mid November January. This is N._p._R..

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