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Tree Nuts: How to Introduce Your Baby to this Potentially Allergenic Food

Baby-Led Weaning Made Easy

15:26 min | 1 year ago

Tree Nuts: How to Introduce Your Baby to this Potentially Allergenic Food

"So for doing almonds as the weight, introduce the baby to trina protein, the thinned-out Almond Butter, approach or almond flour in unsweetened baked goods. That's a much better bet than almond milk, which almost has no almond protein in. Their I'm Katie Ferraro registered Dietitian College Nutricia, professor and Mama Seven specializing in Bula weaning here on the baby led weaning made easy podcasts. I help you strip out the noise and nonsense about feeding the new the competence and knowledge. You need to give your baby a safe start to solid foods. Using baby led meaning. He, guys welcome back to another episode of the baby led weaning made easy podcast today. We're talking all about tree nuts how to introduce your baby to this potentially allergenic food now tree nuts are one of the big eight allergenic food categories, the big eight foods those are the foods that account for about ninety percent of food allergy, so tree nuts are a food that we want to feed our baby early and often, but we need to do so safely, so that's what we're going to cover in today's. Today's episode and as I do in every episode I WanNa, start you out with a baby led weaning tip of the day for tree nuts when it comes to feeding your baby, intact nuts and thick globs of nut butters can be a choking hazard, and they should not be fed to babies especially early on in baby led weaning, but hang tight because there are some safe ways to feed your baby food forms of tree nuts and explain to you how to do that in this episode and I'm. I'm also going to talk about why almond milk is not an ideal way to introduce your baby to peanut protein, so let's go ahead and get started talking all about tree nuts and how to introduce your baby to this potentially allergenic food. Now I mentioned nuts or of the big eight allergenic foods, but it's not the most prevalent of the food allergies by any stretch of the imagination. There's an rough estimate that somewhere between a half of a percent and one percent of the population has a tree. Tree nut allergy, and it's one of the ones that tends to be a lifelong allergy, so some references say nine percent others they ten percent of kids with Trina allergy will eventually outgrow it, but that leaves ninety or ninety one percent of the children for whom it's going to be a lifelong allergy, and if you're allergic to one type of tree nut, it means you're at higher risk of being allergic to the others, but you won't necessarily be allergic to them, so for example some of the tree. Tree nut allergies are closely related to have a cashew allergy. You tend also have a Paseo allergy to cashews and pistachios are linked, and also pecans and walnuts are linked, so you have con-, allergy, you're more likely to have a walnut allergy and vice versa I don't know if you guys remember the Mom Meg Mason from episode thirty four. That was episode where we talked about using dairy ladder for milk introduction. WILL THAT MOM MEG? Her daughter Camilla has a number of different food allergies and she's. She's allergic to some tree nuts, but not all so meg was telling me that Camilla does have an allergy to cashews and pistachios, because those two are linked, but she does not have an allergy. To all minutes the MOM will spread a thin layer of almond butter on pancakes toes, or shall mix it into real. We'll talk about why that safer. An older baby in a second, but her daughter Camille is really turned one, so that's okay for older babies. That daughter Camilla interestingly enough. She's also allergic. Allergic to peanuts now we think of peanuts, we think Oh, that's nuts, but peanut are actually in a different category. Peanuts are legumes, but there is a high risk for people with training allergy because of the cross contamination, even though peanuts are legumes and tree, nuts, which are nuts are not botanically related. If you have a tree nut allergy, you are at higher risk, having a peanut allergy and vice versa about thirty percent of people with peanut allergy will be allergic to tree nuts again, just because you. You have one doesn't necessarily mean you'll have the other okay, and then having another sibling so many times parents will have an older child who has a tree nut allergy that does elevate the risk for the baby to have a train allergy, but again, of course it's not certain that the baby will have that so if you keep hearing tree nut tree, not and you're like what is that I? Haven't heard the term tree nuts not surprisingly grow on trees. K. Peanuts grow under the ground. There legumes. Legumes some of the tree nuts. You might commonly recognize that a person may be allergic to, but again this is not one of the most prevalent food allergies that include things like almonds Brazil nuts, cashews, chestnuts, Pecans, pistachios, pralines, walnuts. There's a few other ones, and then there's kind of some areas where parents question. Will what about seeds are they? In the same family? Generally seeds are not a problem. You certainly can be allergic to seeds, but most people who trained at allergy can usually safely eat things like. Like sesame seeds and sunflower and Pumpkin, seeds, Damian nuts and pine nuts, botanically also seeds. The FDA lists some of these foods as tree nuts, but generally people with tree nut can tolerate things like Macadamia and pine nuts, and then people always asked about coconut, so in two thousand and six. The FDA listed it as a tree, but you should know that very minimal number of people who have treated allergies are actually allergic to coconut, and you can be allergic to coconut, but it. It's much more rare. Rare, Kane and some other things that sometimes get confused as tree nuts up. Certainly are have nothing to do with tree, nuts or things like nutmeg, the spice which we use to season for example, cooked roasted carrots for your baby. You can sprinkle nutmeg on their. You're not exposing them to the tree nut protein water, chestnut, butternut, squash shea nuts. All of these things are not problematic. They're not traits. They're not potentially allergenic so when it comes to introducing tree nuts. At what age should we do that? That well. If you look at the research, we see that if a baby or person is going to be allergic to train, it will generally present by the time. The baby is to back in two thousand cave. We look at older guidelines the American Academy. Pediatric suggested delaying the introduction of highly genyk foods including tree nuts until babies were three years old. That was twenty years ago in two thousand and eight. The AP amended their statement to affirm that there's really no evidence to suggest that delaying the. The introduction of any allergenic foods had a significant protective effect. So as a result, we've kind of switched gears because there's no evidence that waiting prevents allergy. We now look at okay. Let's introduce earlier because for other sir. Allergen that appears to be protected. Okay, so whether adding tree nuts early actually prevents food, allergy, development tree nuts. It's unknown, but if we look at the leap study that was learning early about peanut allergy leap showed that in high risk infants, the early introduction of peanuts compared to avoiding. Avoiding it was actually protective of peanut allergy, so it's not known if a similar approach to tree nuts his protective, but it's a theoretical possibility pain. If you look at the studies has it's frustrating will say things like research. Additional research is needed, or studies are needed to determine whether an early feeding prevent approaches, safe and effective. What we're concerned about his safety right because we're concerned that whole nuts are choking hazard and nut butters are too difficult for babies to clear from their Palette, so we need. Need to find a safer way to introduce Trina and how can you do that? I have two ways that I like to introduce tree nuts two babies. One of my favorite ways is to do almond flour. Almond flour is just really really really really finely ground up almonds. You could take your own almonds and make almond flour, but I prefer to buy the superfine one especially earlier on. It's a much much smoother grain, which is easier for babies to eat, so he can buy almond flour two tablespoons. Tablespoons of almond flour has about four grams of protein case you can bake it into no added sugar or low-sodium. Muffins pancakes, and actually the Mama was telling you about Meg Mason. Who has the daughter with the dairy intolerance and the different food allergies, but some tree nut. She's not allergic to. She's showing a great on the flower pancake recipe that she created using a number of different recipes that she likes, but no added sugar and no sodium. If you go to, the show notes page for this. I will link to Meg's almond flour pancake recipe. In case you WANNA use that to try out TRINA protein in the form of almond flour for your baby to get to that recipe, go to the show notes page for this episode. Which is B. L. W. podcast dot com slash thirty nine. They're all link up some of the different research about the different articles and the references that I talk about in this episode, and also sharing a link on that show notes page. If you WANNA sign up for my free online baby led weaning workshop. It's all about how to introduce. Introduce your baby to a hundred different foods before turning one without you having to spoonfeed periods or by pouches, so if you want to get the free online baby led weaning workshop i. also talk a lot more about allergen introduction in that you can sign up for that as well as grab that almond flour pancake recipe again that you are. Is B. L. W. podcast dot com slash three nine so almond flour one way that I like to introduce almonds safely or drain up. Another one is. You can do almond butter now I mentioned at the top of the podcast. PODCAST that thick globs of nut butter are more challenging for early eaters to clear from their mouth and palate, and it can potentially pose a choking hazard, but you can thin out almond butter. You always want to do the all natural. No added sugar. You don't WanNa. Do chunky nut butters ever make sure it smooth, but you can take a food for example, unsweetened applesauce and thin out the almond butter that way you can also mix it with formula or breastmilk to thin it out that way you can preloaded on a spoon pass that spoon to the baby and allow. Allow the baby to sell feed, or you can then out. The Almond Butter with Yogurt giving my yogurt of course has dairy in it, so it's milk. Protein WanNa, make sure your baby's already been introduced to that. You don't do to new allergenic foods together right if you did almond butter for the first time and yogurt for the first time and the baby had reaction. How would you know which allergenic food it was? So make sure you've already done yogurt once. Your babies go on yogurt after trying for a few times with no reaction, you can mix the almond butter. Butter into full-fat. That's milk, unsweetened yogurt, and thin it out that way again put it on this boon, and past the spoon to the baby. The spoons that I like to use for baby led weaning called the tiny spoon. It's from a company called easy peasy, so if you go to the website easy peasy fund dot com, the tiny spoon is designed by a feeding specialist for babies aged six to twelve months of age. You can get ten percent off all of the feeling gear on that site. If you use the Code Katie ten again. That's easy, peasy fun dot! Dot Com and check out their tiny spoons as a great way to help facilitate independent eating when you're doing naturally period foods like almond butter mixed with applesauce are almond. Butter Mixed with yogurt again. If that almond butter is thinned out great ways to introduce your baby to allman protein or tree, nut protein, rather people say well. How much should my baby have? How many grams of this protein do we need to get data cow essentially as an exposure, and just you guys know that answer is not known. The guidance is to introduce these foods early. There's no specific number. Number of grams or number of times you need to do it. I like to do the new allergenic food on a Friday. I do five new foods per week. My five step feeding framework on Monday and do a new fruit, Tuesday vegetable Wednesday starch, Thursday, a protein, and on Friday I do a challenge food challenge food category includes the big eight allergenic foods of which traits are one, so let's say it's the fourth or fifth week of baby leaning. It's Friday time to do our allergenic food. Oh, tree, nuts or up. Let's do almonds with almond flour. You make the. The almond flour pancake from meg and you're GONNA eat it to your baby. Do It on Friday. Do it twice on Saturday and offer a different form of training on Sunday. If you can do a two times each day, Friday Saturday, Sunday there. You have six years. Don't do any other new foods. Over that period of time you're building in a pad of two or three days to observe for any potential reaction, and then on Monday you can go right back to introducing a new food another fruit. It is perfectly safe to introduce one new low risk food per day. The low risk. Foods are all the other foods in the hundred first foods program that are not the allergenic foods, but when it comes to the allergenic foods. Yes, you do want to build in a little pad to observe for reaction. If you WANNA learn more about that five-step feeding framework again my free online workshop baby led weaning for beginners has everything you need to know about how to set your baby up on this routine where you're introducing. Introducing one hundred foods before the baby turns one and you can sign up for that free workshop at BMW PODCASTS DOT com slash three nine all right, so if you look at the comparison, people say well. What's better than almond flour almond butter? Almond flour to tablespoons has four grams of protein almond butter. One tablespoon has about three and a half grams so a smaller portion size, but then again you're gonNA be thinning it out there probably comparable. Comparable I like to do both of them over the course of that weekend a few times, a few different ways, and again always observing for reaction now. What about Almond Milk, almond milk is not a great way to introduce allman protein. Dear baby people be like what just like squished up almonds. It's not actually look the nutritional facts or the components of almond milk, even though almonds are considered to be a relatively high protein food, right plant protein. Protein in nuts almond milk. Almost all of the protein has been removed. Okay, you have an eight. Ounce Cup of Almond Milk. You only have one gram of protein remembering to tablespoons of almond flour, one tablespoon of almond butter. You have almost four grams very small amount. Lots of protein almond milk, lots of volume, which babies can't drink eight ounce cup of milk, anyway for the most part, only one gram of protein, not worth your time all right. Right, so don't waste your time on almond milk, because there's very little protein in there to begin with and stick to almond flour or almond butter all right now. What if you suspect an allergy zurve allergy? It is important to know that there are tree nuts. Pacific skin tests as well as serum IMMUNOGLOBULIN, easy levels which can help diagnose tree nut allergies. You need to talk to your pediatrician or your pediatric allergist about testing for and getting A. A diagnosis for Trina allergies, and of course train allergy is very severe peanuts plus tree nuts. They account for about seventy to ninety percent of reported food related anticlimactic fatalities, so if there is atrial. Trina this is something very serious. Okay, and for those that have confirmed allergy epinephrine is the first line treatment for NFL axis. It has to be administered promptly I'm an in the case of and Alexis you do that with an epinephrine auto injector so. So. This is something that if your baby is to be diagnosed with food allergy, you would need additional education in information about to ensure that you're offering your baby. The other potentially allergenic foods safely and safely avoiding the foods that your baby is allergic to, but remember treat. Allergy only affects about a half to one percent of the population. Alright, so it is a food that the good majority of you will want to be introducing to your baby. Baby and I hope that this episode was helpful in showing you a number of different ways of how you can safely introduced tree nuts, potentially allergenic food for your baby again all the links and references as well as that almond flour recipe, and how to sign up for the free baby led weaning workshop. They're all linked up for you on. The show notes for this episode at BMW PODCAST, Dot com slash three nine. Thanks for listening by now.

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Peanut Butter Puffs for Safely Introducing Peanuts to Babies: A Conversation with @puffworks founder Greg Murphy

Baby-Led Weaning Made Easy

22:30 min | 21 hrs ago

Peanut Butter Puffs for Safely Introducing Peanuts to Babies: A Conversation with @puffworks founder Greg Murphy

"You know as you get older. Two years. Three year olds advices to continue to introduce peanuts. There's just much more sustainable to do it with a food product than it is a supplement powder. Hey there i'm katie. Ferraro registered dietitian college nutritional professor and mama. Seven specializing in baby led weaning. Here on the baby led weaning. Made easy podcast. I help you strip out all the noise and nonsense about feeding leaving you with confidence and knowledge. You need to give your baby a safe. Start to solid. Foods using baby led weaning. Well guys back today chatting with greg murphy. The founder and president of puff works there a portland oregon company that makes peanut butter puffs and their baby line is perfect for introducing peanut protein safely to your baby. But they didn't start out doing baby stuff. Greg stohr really interesting. He's a serial entrepreneur. Who has a background in craft and artisanal foods. He had tried bomba. The israeli peanut butter puff brandon thought. He could make a better peanut butter snack food. Greg also happens to have a daughter with food allergies including a tree nut allergy so down the road a little bit with that. Puff works concept. Greg got hooked into this idea and the the research that we know that feeding babies peanut protein early and often is ideal for helping to prevent peanut allergies so they kind of modified their product to make an offshoot of the line called parks baby. So that's the no added sugar very low salt peanut butter. Puff that you guys use or maybe you've seen or if you haven't it's really cool because it's super easily dissolved in the baby's mouth. So the puff works baby. Product actually launched right after my youngest babies are twins. Gus in hannah there are sixth and seventh woods. I done bonda prior to that but it was really impressed by the puff. Works baby products actually reached out to puff works if had a great relationship with their brand for a number of years now but i always like to learn more about the people behind the brands that i'm supporting endorsing giving my money to and that's exactly why i wanted to bring greg on so i am an affiliate for puff works. I want to disclose that. And if you want to check out anything from puff works. my discount. Code is twenty baby lead. They just launched an almond product for babies. Which is really exciting. And that code. Twenty two zero baby lead works for twenty percent off everything at southwark dot com plus. They have free shipping. So with no further ado. I want to introduce you guys to greg murphy. The founder and president of puff works to talk a little bit about using puffs to introduce peanuts and now almonds safely. Two babies all right. Well hello greg. Thank so much for joining me. Hi katie thanks for having me. Could you tell us a little bit about yourself. In how you came to be the founder of the company we all know and love. Is puff works. Okay sure so. I've been in the food industry. Most of my life in a working with kraft food companies. You know everything from specialty coffee craft beer tea and spices and obviously you know fears guys are looking for another opportunity in food business and got introduced. A friend is due to the bomba product from israel. I was really fascinated with product. tastes great. It's a good for you and i thought The opportunity to make a better bomba product and bring it to the. Us know make. It was all organic ingredients. Fresh roasted peanuts that type of thing and then A few years ago or about the same time. A friend introduce. You know a pediatrician friend of mine. Salvador i was thinking about doing that. You know this is great. You know you know. The new science has actually introducing peanuts. Early is key to preventing peanut allergy later in life. Were you interested in bomba. Like just as food outside of the prevention piece okay. That's interesting because as a dietitian and be proud of you don't know bomba is. It's a peanut. Puff product made out of israel. And it's very common in israeli food culture children's start eating the bomba puffs early and often and then they the leap study and found out. Gosh these children are having much lower rates of peanut allergy and appears to be because peanut. Early and often protective. So i always thought like. Why isn't there like a better version of this but from the allergy standpoint but you are actually interested in like from a taste or marketing sampling for. I started with from the snack standpoint. That hey this is just a great snack. That's also good for you and you know it actually was a few months. After that. that the pediatrician. He recommended that we also make a big products 'introducing and this doctor soon on because my audience knows him. Take all of our episodes about food allergies okay so you were originally interested in a peanut butter snack puff product and then you figured out like oh my gosh. This is hugely important in the world of baby food. Because i'm always like oh it's the most important thing in the world. Everyone knows this time. I was doing it. The leap study had just come out right so you know. It wasn't really aware of it. And once i met ron and we sort of talked at it like oh this is fantastic and i have a daughter. That actually has not in seafood number cheese. Because when i was raising my kids the advice was to just avoid feeding allergists. So your daughter has a peanut allergy or allergy. Did she grow out of it or she still has it. She still has it. Okay so tell us a little bit about the lineup. Puff works. I think my audience is pretty familiar with puff. Works makes a baby peanut butter. Puff that we use for safe introduction of peanut allergy to babies but you have other products too. Is that correct. That's correct. Because i love them but you tell them about it you know. We have the baby. Product freighter do subpoenaed. We actually just came out with an album profit and then we have what we call our kids. Snacks acts which is like a. You know crunchier version of the baby product. You know that's With a peanut butter and then we make a peanut butter and jelly reaction ak- peanut butter and honey and then for our snack line which is sort of family size banks. We do those same products. Plus dark chocolate product is. Are there any plans for peanut butter and banana. He s when we look at extending the kids line. I think that may be very likely be the next one that we do. And i know we talk a lot about puff works at least in my community because of the puff works baby products. So you guys that look. It's an orange package and it has a turquoise elephant on it. that's the baby one. And we use that for introduction of peanut protein for babies when they start solitudes around six months of age. But i have kids who are aged three to six. And i love the snack line for kids because there is very minimal amount of added sugar and you are very hard pressed to find a snack that comes in a package that doesn't have added sugar for kids and i really do love the beyond baby because it is like one of those few package snack products that i can actually feel good about serving my kids. Yeah that's what we tried to do with it with the kid line. I mean the original peanut butter doesn't have any added sugar at all and then the pb and j. is just three grams. It's mostly just strawberry powder. And i think parents oftentimes we'll get introduced to puff works when they hear about puff works baby but i was reminding like listen. They have these other products that i think to be. Honest nothing to spare against puffer baby but they taste like stale peanut butter puffs. But it's because they're not designed to be a very salty and very sugary babies. Love them like. I'm sure you just like i can watch videos of babies eating all foods all days but i love to watch them eat. The puff works baby because they love him and there is no salt and there is no sugar. They're actually learning to taste the flavor of peanut. That's right i mean is. An adult was more developed pallet. Probably a little bland. because it's very low sodium in there by you know we put a little more sodium in the kids snacks in the adult snacks. But it's not a lot by any means like i'm totally like very much stickler about reading labels kissing easy. It makes it easy for me like we're having not having not and i'm not even a big peanut butter and jelly person. Put the peanut butter and jelly flavor. Again there's just a smidge of added sugar. I think it's not even a teaspoon of sugar per serving. It's really flavorful but not like overwhelmingly sweet like a lot of jelly stuff is. Yeah we try to really make that balance in a make really wholesome snack but we wanted to taste rates so we do at just a little bit of sugar. We're talking a little bit about the ingredients in the puffer products. Did you tell us just a little bit about how you source them. If the ingredient line was important to you because you mentioned you come from a background of kraft foods and i just want to clarify. That's not like the kraft food company. You mean craft with a c. Right after the cd or artisan would be the other way set. So you know we're we're really stick was about how we make our product and how we source the ingredients. Everything's one hundred percent organic and one of the was different about our product Accomplish when we we started to make puff works is we make it with just one hundred percent fresh roasted nuts so whereas a lot of other products flow at royal add you know dehydrate the nuts us nut flour we just use one hundred percent dry roasted nuts peanuts almonds so that you really taste the the natural flavor of those ingredients. Can we talk a little bit about the sodium. The way. I always describe it too. Well then why is salt. And if it's for babies like okay. It is packaged products. So there's a smidge of sodium for preservative purposes. Is that how you would describe it or am i getting that wrong. I think we know it's not the sodium probably doesn't help preserve the product. We gave it just a little touch of salt just so for the taste really figured that the baby is but also they do. I know they love it and then the big kids. You've got to be careful because they sneak it. I'm like no this one's for the baby. Yoga euro okay. So greg a lot of parents will ask about all these products on the market now kind of flooding the market. That are these stick packs that have ex wires the amount of x. y. or z. Allergen and you pour it into the bottle. I mean i personally am a dietitian. So i'm an advocate of food. I approach and using foods to help prevent food allergy. I know dr seuss is as well. But what would you say to parents who are like. Should i be using a stick. Packer should i. Using puff works to introduce peanuts to my baby the most so. We're very much food forward brand. We're food i and you know we really believe that you know to have a better relationship with food. Prevent food allergies. It's really about food. It's not about supplements or powders and then you know as you could gets older two years three year old. The advice is to continue to introduce peanuts. It's just much more sustainable to do with a food. Chronic than it is was a supplementary powder and i do a whole hundred first foods approach and really advocate for the use of food like. It's so ironic. We would use food to teach babies out to eat. We would use food to prevent food allergy. But it's kind of crazy that in the advent of you know baby food and you go to target and there's this whole iowa pouches and to be honest you don't need any of it that babies can learn how to eat food. Sometimes people giving pushback. Well why aren't you doing peanut butter. That's a real food wire while you're recommending a package product. Listen there's lots of ways that you can safely introduced peanut to your baby. One of them is a peanut. Puff yes it does. Come out of a package. The majority of the food that we feed babies. Don't come out of a package. But i really like the very clean ingredient list for puff work since i was curious if you could share. Maybe a little bit about the other attributes of the package that parents might take into consideration. Oh it's packaged snack. I can't feed it to my baby. Okay we strive to make a really super clean product so it's one hundred percent organic non. Gmo kosher gluten free in you know just very simple minimal ingredients. Yeah the originalists We just three ingredients is just peanuts corn salt. And you know. We don't process peanuts by separating flour and oil anything like that so you recently added almond to the line of peanuts. There's peanut puffs that have corn parents. You know should. I do corn before i do peanuts and i do recommend doing one new food at a time. There's lots of sei's introduced baby to corn once you've done corn reaction again very unlikely baby's gonna react a corn then you can use the puff works. Peanut puffs to introduce your baby to peanut. Now you guys have added almond. Can you tell me a little bit about how that came to be. Why did you go with almond versus other tree nuts. Maybe you know we wanted to do a product introduce trina and we selected almond basically. We tasted a lot of different products. And we really thought almond as great taste. It does introduce children to train on said we put just a small amount of peanut butter gennett so that died in. Oh there's no cross contamination risk or there may be cross-contamination can help factor it so when it make sure people understood it could potentially be peanut in the broke and i know with almond coming out. People can be asking a lot of questions. Like do i do i. But almond has peanut. No we have very very strong data for the early introduction of peanut as a way to help prevent peanut allergy there is less significant data about trae nuts however there is no benefit to withholding tree nuts. And so dr sue nog myself other feeding professionals. All of the guidance is moving towards early introduction of all of the allergenic foods. because there's no benefit to withholding. So i would recommend parents do peanut first. And then almond but you have to understand like puffer doesn't have to entirely separate facilities one for peanut and one for almond and because the inherent risk of cross contamination does exist. It just makes sense to put peanut in the product because it probably would have been exposed to it. You can't say it's one hundred percent peanut free unless it's in a separate facilities that correct. That's correct you know and we just wanted to make not take have particularly risks that somebody could expose to peanuts. Did shouldn't exactly and we generally recommend introducing one new allergenic food at a time. Always remind parents. You don't need to wait three to five days between introducing new foods. If baby is going to have an allergic reaction to a food it will occur within minutes or up to at most two hours after that ingestion. It's not going to be three to five days later. And so we're moving away from that recommendation and doing the foods early and often allergenic foods. You do want to build in a pad to observe. So i wouldn't do like peanut in the morning and almond in the afternoon for the first time because the baby reacts how would you know but a few days later. It's absolutely safe. Babies can eat so many more foods than we give them credit for and they can eat them. More frequently than a lot of pediatricians are recommending. So tell me. How did you get to meet dr sooner because again. My audience is familiar with him. He comes on a lot to answer questions about food allergies. We teach workshops together. Have a program together. How did you like run into him. In decide to kind of join forces with the baby food allergy prevention world by happenstance released. A mutual friend knew. I was working on at dodgers. Knew what he was working on and it was like. Wow this is just a natural fit and so we started talking. Collaborated launched a baby product. So ron is a medical advisor to folks. One thing i like about puffer is that you guys use credential. Healthcare professionals to provide your nutrition and feeding information. And i know it sounds ironic that outlet out there don't but it is very important that you're getting your information about introducing new foods to your baby from credentialed professionals like dietitians like pediatricians who have additional training because the reality is the majority of doctors in the united states ninety percent of them have not taken a dedicated nutrition class. So you're lucky. You join forces with dr sue. Nog a doctor who has again a special interest in actually using food to prevent food allergy. And that's the subtitle of his book is eat. The eight preventing food allergy with food and the imperfect art of medicine because there is a lot of gray area here and i was curious if that's been surprising to you as a serial entrepreneur with a background in food products. Does it kind of surprise you. What companies try to say and get away with as far as like the health attributes of their product. Oh i think of examples of companies that are pushing the envelope on terms those the health attributes of it i think our biggest activities. We just try to keep it clean and simple and delicious. I mean that's said. And i think puff works is definitely one of those brands. It is word of mouth spread. People be like oh. I saw on instagram. What are those puffs. And i remember. So holly from. Your team reached out to me southern kids. I have a six year old at five year old quadruplets and i have three year old twins and i did baby led weaning with my quadruplets. Which is how. I got into this and shifted. The focus of my career to concentrate on baby led weaning after that because it had been such a transformative experience for our family when my twins were doing baby led weaning. You guys had just launched the baby product and i was the same thing i was like. How is there. Not a better product than bob out there. Like how are we recommending this product. That has much salt in it to babies like it. Looks like a safe way. But there's got to be a better one and then like out of nowhere holly got in touch with me and so i've been connected with you guys. I think since the beginning of the baby product. But it's been. I'm not even sure. We fully launched babies that we actually got the other product first before you came out. Oh baby some of my earliest pictures of the baby trying puffs with the ones that not the baby product has a smidge more sodium products. Nice yeah i don't. I remember that i think the be line is spot on. I mean it is. It just takes a little bit. We say it takes the stress and the mess out of introducing peanuts baby and our goal is not to prevent the mess with baby led weaning. But i for one do not feel comfortable serving peanut butter to a six-month-old you can modify it to make it safer and make it less sticky but at the end of the day. We want to introduce peanuts early and often so having peanut butter. Puff i think is a safe way to do that. Yes and just to make it easier for them to pick up and holden because most parents say well wait a minute. I thought pops kind of antithetical to the baby led approach. And when we're talking about pasta. I'm talking about some of the big major food brands that make those little tiny star-shaped puffs which are s. And if you think about it because they call it a first food except a baby requires their pincer grasp to pick up a very small piece of food. We don't feed very small pieces like that early on. They're pure starch. Oftentimes with added sugar and salt. That could become lodged in the baby's throat. They're huge choking hazard people. Then isn't puff works. A puff and i always have to describe it no it shaped more like a cheetah or an adult pinkie finger. That's a very important size. That babies can use their whole hand grasp to rake and scoop up and feed themselves which is completely in line with the baby led weaning philosophy. So i don't know if you did it on purpose but it's like the perfect size for babies to feed themselves. We spent a lot of time thinking about how to make our puffs in a day. That was probably took us about nine months to develop the process in terms of the size and how easily they dissolve a perfectionist Puffs what is something that parents might be surprised about as far as like the whole manufacturing process. I know go online. Puff works dot com. Get a case of baby puffs. Because i'm going to be starting and it shows up at the door like it just seems like to run so smoothly. What we're the hiccups. If you don't mind sharing have you guys had along the way to bring this product to market. Oh i mean you know. It's it's always more difficult than you think. We had a couple of trials in the beginning. And that didn't work you know and we actually take a step back and figure out a way to make our products. What did it work the coating or the wait or the nutrition like what was it. You know it didn't work as we just weren't happy with dissolve ability of the pops when we first started to do it and so we kind of had to take a step back and really work on how much pressure we're going to bump behind the product And all those kinds of things. We've kind of definitely zeroed in on it now. I think it's amazing. I know one thing. I learned from working with dr seuss. Who is a medical adviser to puffer. Is that it. Is the softest baby peanut puff on the market and i think that gives parents a sense of relief in that okay. Baby don't have teeth when they start solid foods. They can munch chew with their gums. But these are the party that almost dissolves on their tongue. They're going to actually learn how to chew and for some of these. It's the first quote unquote crunchy food. That we have. I do it in the first week of solid foods but it's perfectly safe for babies have almost all other crunchy foods. We don't feed the babies years on the crunchy your side but it's still dissolves. We do it. Dissolve tests every time we make a batch and say okay can we dissolve will that dissolve intensive less than ten seconds. How does the dissolve test work. And then what's the other like measures that you have to determine okay this crunchy enough but not too crunchy. Oh dissolve test isn't very scientific. Put it on our tongue and Start a stop watch so you you try every batch. Yes but then there's a lot more parameters to it you know so. We monitor the pressure. When we you know the it's cooked under the monitor the circumference of monitor the length of it monitored the density of it. So how much you know. What's the weight of twenty buffs in the facility. Where you guys produce puff works. Is it not in peanut. Only is that pretty hard to maintain those standards. Who's obviously there's always the concern for cross contamination when we're talking about allergenic ingredients. Yeah we know so we have a. We have our own production room within a few have level. Three food manufacturing facility is that we have peanuts and trina in that room. So greg you've got the baby line. You've got peanut butter and jelly a couple of other ones for adults bigger kids etc. Anything else coming down the line after almond as far as being a baby specific puff product. We're always thinking about new products. You know specific to the baby line. I think it's you know there's probably a good to come out with another treatment product cashew or something like that and then we're also thinking voice thinking about products for the stack line. So you know. It's likely that in the kids line produced. You've mentioned a banana product butter and banana product. I can see while. Probably do in harland products for our cycling. So greg where can listeners. Go to learn more about puff. Works and the wonderful work team is doing well. The go to our website coverage dot com is probably the best place to learn more or just reach out. Reach out to us directly info at buffer dot com. Thank you so much. It's been a great conversation. Thank you very much skating. Well hope you guys enjoyed that interview with the founder and president of puff. Works greg murphy. I don't know about you. But i always love hearing more about the stories behind the brands products that for my family and in my work as well so if you want to check out the puffer baby line. They've got the peanut one. I've had for a while. But now that brand new almond one go to puffer dot com affiliate discount code is twenty baby led to zero baby led to get twenty percent off. I think it's great to have a case on hand. If you're going to be starting peanut with your baby there's lots of safeway's we can do peanuts for babies. But the puff works may be peanut. Butter are certainly one of my favorites. Hope you guys enjoyed this interview with the president and founder greg murphy.

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140 - On Snack Cake Rolls, Spicy Meat Chips, and Salted Nut Rolls

Food Scientists Podcast

44:22 min | 9 months ago

140 - On Snack Cake Rolls, Spicy Meat Chips, and Salted Nut Rolls

"It is the food Tank's podcast. I am your host name a jack. I am here with Brian Peters. Hello, everyone and Danny Sussman. Well, I was just I was pausing because I'm not disruptive but you weren't Disturbed disruptive then that would never happen as a problem. No, no, no, no, no, well this week. We have knows and experiences. Of course, then we are continuing ad with holiday-themed snack cakes and some others and lunch meat themed chips and we're going to end up a sweet note with some interesting nut roll. Yeah, we're going to find it. You may have some dirty. Yeah. Yeah, but we were saying that she can listen all the way. We have a new segment. We're going to try out but I don't even know Brian has a name for it, but I don't know what to find out together who named states of the end. Yep. Yep. So and the food news which I have none. So it's up to the guys. There's something that we forgot to talk about a few weeks ago Red Lobster of all places is coming out with a nice cocktail for their menu. It's a duke or Rita which is a Mountain Dew Margarita do Garita. You know, what took my college roommate was like an innovator in this space because he would make himself a rum and do like just rum and Mountain Dew and he was like, I'm going to be a choice. You know because I am a low old before the Red Bull and vodka that it was rum and Mountain Dew for when you want to be really awake drunk and I feel I follow in those footsteps, you know, so you live with a lush. Okay. So I hope you guys like it was a college roommate. I lived with him for like a one school year long. And then we moved on. Yeah, I mean, I don't know like just it doesn't sound good to me. I like my I like my cocktails, but I don't know. It just sounds like that'd be too too much going on to the sugar and caffeine and the you know Boos, I don't know. I think the question to me is which Mountain Dew to they use cuz there's about five hundred flavors of Mountain Dew. They've quietly overtaken both Fanta a crush in the like variety of flavors. They are I mean, they're going with the classic Mountain Dew is my impression because of the color choice that like not quite like dehydrated urine color, but my question is this is what does Mountain Dew taste like Mountain Dew have you ever had do in a mountain why I haven't I just imagine that there's truth in advertising. That's a space like in salsa full caffeine. But with the storm right? Like I think it's a Shasta their version is Mountain lightning. So what is Mountain lightning taste like if that's not do what is Mountain lightning the same in which case is due and lightning same? Yes, because if you're standing on a mountain and you get struck with lightning or you drink something that has way too much sugar and caffeine you're going to feel the same and not you're in a field but you don't want to happen more than once either way. You're going to feel a strong. Oh goodness. I had a couple of bottles of surge in college, you know talking about college days and I was told never again. Would you feel a jolt? You know what? Everyone talks about everyone talked about Joel but you'd never even like saw it in stores like to me like oh this much of a legend as an actual item. Oh no doubt in stores, but I saw it at somebody's house and then there was make a joke. That was twice the caffeine jolt that's like the highly over caffeinated coffee. The Burger King tried a couple of years ago. I don't remember that. Yeah. Yeah and they even nut Burger King didn't but in general they sell or they sold caffeinated water which people would then make coffee out it I am I had an experience with that with water show. I would yeah water gel is the caffeinated water and it's still around. You still get it. It's a drink like water but had caffeine like coffee and I'm one of the things my dad and I would do in the Summers is we would go to like auto racing we would go to the racetrack and there was a lower-level team that was sponsored by water Joe. So like to get people to just like it's kind of the minor leagues, right and so like a support race to get people interest. They would leave out like barrels of just ice down water Jersey and being the free sample affectionados as we are we might have modified our course a little bit to make sure we walk by there more often just throw another bottle in the backpack right off. Now we got like all of this free bottled water and then raced a comes right and we got all of our free bottled water and it's it's super hot out and you're like, oh I'm thirsty and just like I can have some water like I remember look at my dad and his hands were literally shaking because we were so hot that we should have kept drinking cuz you forget that it's caffeinated water and so like it's like, oh my wife, why am I handsome a drawing? Like how many water Jose? Have you had? And so too many. Yeah, so be careful of the water Joe. So the Mountain Dew the do Garita coming to Red Lobster soon. If you want to be caffeinated and drugs at the same time, see which crash happens first. Yeah, because there's nothing like mixing stimulants and depressants like Red Bull and vodka. Yeah. I mean, I feel like mixing stimulants and depressants is my life story, but Moving On Moving On Moving On In our chat, our friend Danette is not in the chat yet or is lurking but I have news about Donuts. There's two new limited edition flavors of donuts coming out maple glazed and apple cinnamon and I look for them that we could not find life. I couldn't find either and I would say this here's the thing that gets me apple. Cinnamon is not a crunch. How cells like, you know, the crunch Donuts like my favorite of the donuts is the Crunch and they've done like the carrot cake with like the crunch. I wanted apple cinnamon. Crunch donuts. Oh God. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be good. Yeah, we'll be so good thing that there aren't desserts that have apple in a crunch to them know. I know that kind of like that is a thing. I believe that happens a lot. So yeah, I want Apple but I'm still excited about them. I've not seen them if we get them for this podcast. I am most excited about eating them together and having an apple cinnamon Maple donut. Yes. Do you think that's my size? Oh, absolutely. The bulk of 555 Donuts is like bite-sized. Five at once is bite-sized I think so, I think so. I do you have a gag reflex. Not really apparently not well unless it's Manning know. You should see me like, you know strep test. You know what? I would rather in touch. So you get a strep test. I will take your word on that. But what do they use when they give you like when they give you a strep test and they just have like a yard stick with like a cotton ball on the end. Yeah, it's nice. You know, I can check my call into you know, same thing with us know exactly like, you know in and out shopping, you know, very nice. Yeah. Well, it's a good thing Amy does it happen is is this is off the ground was going to say I'm moving on do you have any more news or should we go to Experiences. Well, I have something that's both so I'll just try many here again. I got an email this morning. Now. I've been doing the rounds of chain restaurants. I've never been to the or at least Wahlburgers is one of them, you know the restaurant chain on By the Mark Wahlberg Donnie Wahlberg their family. I went to BonChon which is crazy in Korean Fried Chicken. Very good. There's one in your area check it out. And I also went for the first time do they just Sonic? First time ever to Sonic. Mhm. Well, that means you've been to Sonic one more time and I have Brian. Yeah. Now the reason I went I got an email. They had a new October promotion. I'm nearly destined involves the word free if you went no, but it does involve close second half price. Okay a half price garlic butter sauce. And the thing that's interesting. It doesn't have garlic butter on it. It's fried and garlic butter. Okay. Yeah, and I didn't know that you know what their quality was. Like I know that people said they liked it, you know, like it's good whatever but I didn't know their broker was actually surprised they could get the garlic butter very tasty very tasty. So if you have the app, you know, you will get that coupon Sonic coupon. I don't doesn't wage as well as the coupon. Yeah, you will get a coupon for half price that another thing that they have not on sale but this is new this month. They have their own, you know, they're fake blizzards. They call them Sonic blasts. They have a Halloween one and Danny. It's very close to the Halloween blizzard. We made a few years back when we were, you know, became a Wizard's creating our own Dairy Queen cake. Yeah, but they have a blast that is either chocolate or vanilla with M&Ms Snickers and Oreos the lot Yeah, it is as we learned when we did that Halloween blizzard. The M&M's are rough and that yep if they would substitute the M&M's for Reeses. Who who who I'm telling you that would be amazing. It was good. But yeah, the M&M's are just the texture and throws off the texture of the soft ice cream, even the stickers kind of softened up a little bit and the Oreos there's crunch but it's not like a hard suffering illness doesn't make it like tough. So and I was thinking I'd have that with the vanilla not the chocolate cuz that's a lot of chocolate to put in there already. So it's interesting. I got an email today too. So number one. Everyone should know this, it's October now, which means it's my birthday month which means the birthday offers our faith in him. And I got one because remember we had the Mexican pizza from Taco Bell before it's gone. And so now I get offers from Taco Bell because I've ordered on their app and so I got a an email that said Danny celebrate your birthday with us celebrate celebrate like little taco taco shell wage. You got it. Yeah. So guess what? They're offering me to shellebrate my birthday double shell taco Amy. Do you have a guess? A variation on a new Mexican pizza You are both not even close. They offered me. It's a free Mountain Dew Baja Blast freeze. Oh, you know taco shell. I don't know. What does that do with the separation served in a funnel cone made out of a taco shell know there's a picture of it. It's just in a in a plastic cup, you know, remember old VHS or was this shell casing? Oh, yeah, maybe it's it's like in that and drink out of that has like, you know, I mean, it should be like drink it while you eat your shell. I don't know. It was just like I was like, oh I'm going to get me off and I'm like this picture is wierd. Let me go to the app and look what I don't even one that like What does we know we just talked about like what a Mountain Dew tastes like what does a Mountain Dew Baja Blast taste like? Oh wait. You don't know you really don't know. I really don't know it's good. You need to you need to redeem that one because Baja Blast is good. That's like the signature like, you know, and the tacos are cheap enough you getting a free Taco would be nothing but getting a free Baja Blast Off a blast freeze, right? I'm sorry. I shortened it. Yeah, cuz cuz is Baja Blast just a regular Mountain Dew flavor to I don't even know my quick Mountain Dew years ago, you could buy in the stores. It's it's, you know, exclusive. And some maybe maybe that will be a an experience for me in the future. I I kind of don't want to get blasted at Taco Bell. Yeah, you suck. The blasting happens afterwards. Hoping to avoid that. Yeah, I mean I wanted to avoid the talking of it. I mean if you if you have a Taco Bell celebration, but you're definitely going to end up having in California. You're going to have a Baja Blast I have other words to but I know that they would not appreciate what I'm going to move on to serve food experience. Wait. I have one question. Brian is one of the worst one of those words poop. No. No, I'll just say no. No. Oh goodness. We're supposed to talk about food not I mean you can't have one without the other not a problem with a future. It's like, you know, the the weathermen you don't get mad at him about talking about what's coming down the line. I mean, how can how can you inject meat raffle? This is my experience with just moving on and I actually one phone never win these things but I did not do as well as the other guys here have done in the past. The $100 box of meats is legendary. I still have a little bit of ground beef from that level now to wait just just really quick recap for anything new. It's been a few months since we talked about that the Midwest has this amazing thing where you go places and it's a raffle but there's just meets at know and when they call your number if they call your number you just pick a piece of meat it's this place had a fridge-freezer the story of meat if you were staying there for a while they give you a bag with your name on it. Yeah. It's like a bachelor auction, but for edible foods wage And I will say speaking of near as you know, you talk about my win. I have the recipe from my meat raffle experience. That's in a book that's being released next week called lack of ten thousand place. From my friend Patrice Johnson. So look at that on Amazon. So I shout out to Patrice and sign up for her book launch next week. I want to be huge T-bone steaks, but still only two sticks which is a lot for one person. Well, I mean that's how much was a spin on the wheel a book pack. Thanks for a buck is a deal. I know I played four rounds, but still yeah and how many did you buy your trout? You give you buy a win? Like only by one each round? Oh God, so you didn't buy a win like certain people to hey Kenny. He was legit was on the up-and-up and I'm one universities featured in any cookbooks cuz did I already cooked one of the stakes is grilled it off. Anyway, sober 6 in stores land of 10000 plates from Minnesota Historical Society press Anyways moving on you guys can talk again about something other than meat or poop. Yeah, just one more quick experience here. I did make my way back Dairy Queen as well and I made to Joint experience. I am shocked and I have the Dairy Queen corner now, I I finally got the apple pie cake appetizer blizzard gave myself. The Royal Treatment made it Royal with the caramel inside right Danny. You gotta look out though, because there is soulmate material just like it's jumping at the bit here because the manager of the Dairy Queen I went to you know, who who, you know were cool. Right? He's like when I ordered that he's like, oh, you know what? That's how I've been making it when I make it for myself, right? So he was inspired by us. But then he said and he know what else I do like yes. Oh he takes off. Cinnamon nutmeg topping from the pumpkin pie sheets when you put sat on top of it too sweet. Yeah, that would be really good. How did that come out Ryan. Um. We Amy said we can't talk about that about did it. Oh, no, no talking about poop. Wait. So how does how does the regular it tasted? Good. It was yeah. It was not the karma wasn't as a good still as the Oreo fudge brownie, you know Carmel Center, but it definitely made that blizzard pop. So like I recommend it was that do you think that the caramel apple pie is better with or without the Royal Treatment? Slightly better both are solid them. I see I like that but mine had a good mind just had a ton of caramel that I yeah, I was getting yeah, I was getting Spoonful. It was mine was like a spoonful, without a little bit ice cream in blizzard. I also gave myself the Royal Treatment this week. I I decided to be extreme there was a search so I and I also got a bargain because we've talked about this when you are a blizzard off or did you do a lot of Blizzard customization you realize that there's really no consistency in blizzard pricing because you know lizards are like my boss not even by location buying it out e know there's a lot of ways to bring ways to ring it up. Your assembly lizards might have like three things in them. And if you just said, I bet they're like, oh that's an even exchange. Some of them are like, oh you want to do that. I've got a charge you for extra stuff like you just never really know how much your blizzard is going to be. So I decided I was going to be extreme and I got myself that choco brownie extreme blizzard and I gave myself the Royal Treatment and added hot fudge to it. So you get like in that you get richness. Yeah, so it right they put the fudge in the ice cream to make that chocolate ice cream do get the cone topping right like a little chocolate bits in it and you get brownie bites in it. And then I have the the center of the core of hot fudge. That was some chocolatey chocolatey goodness, but the best part of it was They only charged me $0.20 hot fudge good. So it was the same price as a blizzard with a $0.20 charge. Now, I'm not going to say go. If you go into your local Dairy Queen don't be like, hey, I am a huge fan of the food scientists and they told me this is only $0.20 more to do because they're going to want to be like who and you're going to be like, oh find them on YouTube or anywhere you get podcasts or ww.w have them pulled their phone subscribe them to us, you know, you don't have to do that. I mean you can you can fax it probably should so we're not going to promise that they'll do that for only $0.20. That was a super chocolatey treat. We also offer a disclaimer a very bad Dairy Queen might even say no you may not make your own Royal blizzard. Yes. I had that right right the place that said we can't do custom Royals dead. And Brian you can tell him it's not that they can't they won't I forgot you had that experience because that's just wrong with I I think she's kind of carry with me a little bit of guilt for telling the innocent teenager. You're making me sad. That was literally what I said then quit she said she can't do Royal custom Royals. I said you're making me sad. Yeah, I mean it was true. I was being real. I was offended. It's okay to share your feelings as I remember. Then I realized that I shouldn't take my thoughts sadness and put it on a teenager who's just doing what their manager said. But also I hope that that teenager went to her manager and was like you made me make somebody sad because I know we can do it. We just won't yeah. I hope she said you know what I quit I won't stand for the steering. I am not going to make people sad because you've your arbitrary and capricious rules boss. It's more money for them than they're charging for larger size blizzard. So it's more money from I mean, maybe only twenty cents more but still but still it's more money. I mean, but then again with them more problems as you know, the more money that we come across the more money we need your right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think it's time to move on to some cake roll type snack cakes Little Joe's in effect. We have a few different things but we're starting. Well, we have the pumpkin spice because it's seasonal. Yep. And here's the thing. We've been doing this podcast a while, but there were off. Sax that came out that we never really had a chance to talk about because they were already here but they don't get the attention all those so this week we also decided let's do a couple more. Cake rolls from Little Debbie. So we also have the zebra roles now which is evil rules. There are zebra cakes also, but and we also have strawberry shortcake rolls. I like these I have always like these I have never had any of these. I don't know if I've had the zebra but well we'll we'll get there. I've had the zebra wage. I think I liked it at the time but that was a long time ago. So first off we have the pumpkin are they pumpkin pie or pumpkin spice spice? Okay. Yep. Just pumping no crust. You can't have pie without crust know you never know. Now. These are seasonal the have been around, you know before but a welcome return for me. They have the Zebra Cakes, but on the bottom, it's almost like a crust. they smell cinnamon e and what you really need to do with these put them in the freezer. Let them get cold get that cream a little hard and that's going to be even more like pumpkin pie with whipped cream. Thanks for the tip on that off. The cake to cream ratio is very cream heavy know to be honest with you. I have always been a ho ho ho ho ho ho I don't take money. I like the cream in these this is good. I would say there's a lot of cream in this the cream to cake ratio is more cream and I kind of like it. And that that mouth full of cream really offsets for like pumpkin. Yes. See for me. I still get both took a good dose of both. I like you still get it. You still don't get it, but it's not like a punch you in the face pumpkin. Look at all that cream vs cake. It's also a lot of cream. And and for how many people just listening on the podcast trust me. There's a lot of great. It looks like a Swiss roll with a lot of pretty, you know, I don't know maybe we should have had the original ones this week, but does taste like sour cream than the originals. Are we switching to? Which one are we going to know? We're going to go to the Strawberry Shortcake was I did not know this. So let's just not have a tiger stripes but it still has the boss. The bottom is white chocolate so that it doesn't make cake doesn't stick to the paper. Now probably steals the end of the role there too. I'm going to say I did not have these for the longest time because I didn't think I would like them. I didn't have them like ten years ago was when I had burst. Yeah, strawberry fill things strawberry field things are usually an ozone for me cuz it never tastes like real strawberry. It usually tastes something like cough syrup. I thought it would yeah. I thought it would taste like a jellyfish like that be that great but these are amazing the Strawberry Shortcake's you have to get a little bit in there to get to the Strawberry Park, but I've always liked the These also would be well Frozen a little bit or refrigerated mind definitely looks like it was in a fight. A whipped cream fight. No one that method bloodied. Oh No, you know so not to eat all of these cuz I need to do pictures this. All right, they they are a little bit harder to find but if you can and you've never had them check them out because Strawberry Shortcake's so good. So tasty. I did well zebra cakes are these made with real zebras? Oh, please. A few years ago when Little Debbie decides as zebra everything so they had the zebra nutty bars with the zebra cakes. And my thought is why I substitute white chocolate for real chocolate. Like that's never a plus. I mean, I've watched enough of the nature channel to know everybody love zebras, you know, they're cool. I have no problem with them. I don't know if I've ever had one of these to be honest. I'm going to say not enough cream. It does chocolate makes it a little Pasty. Yeah, seems like less cream than the other ones. It tastes it tastes like a marshmallow. Well, mine doesn't but the white chalk. It's a little pasty very reminiscent of the Zebra Cakes. Just a different texture. More layers, I guess because they're rolled up. So if you're a zebra cake fan definitely, yeah check these out there fine. I'll eat it. My brain is very confused right now. You didn't think zebra would taste like that. No, just like I don't know what to think of it. I mean like their snack cakes. I'll certainly always eat a snack click cake, but I'm not like I'm not like Gabe. This is great. I'm not like God, this is gross. These are all fine. I usually have a strong opinion. Well Danny, I think you better find some opinions because there are three of them so I think it might be appropriate to play our game of fmk Frolic with Mary Kay. While we do that well, one of us is talking to tell us of these are bite-sized Brian. Oh, I knew show us if they're bite-sized and I'll go through my list. Okay, I mean dead recap. It's a snack cake. It's obviously bite-sized. So I'm going to frolic with the pumpkin spice. It's a lot better than I anticipated so I can follow up with it more than a few times. That's that's cool. Love all the creamy goodness. I'm going to marry the Strawberry Shortcake. I mean you heard me say several times already. I love the Strawberry Shortcake. I knew that before we even ate them. I've had them several times. It's a good cake roll. Which means I'm killing the zebra cake. It is not bad, but compared to the other two. It's just not up to Snuff. I keep thinking I need to freeze it or I need to dunk it in hot chocolate baby. Basically, it needs to be something slightly different than what it is. So short and sweet for me. But there you go in Bryan a doll his I'm sure yes, I know if she has something from the chat I should sing and Amy yells at me when I try and talk her saying my employee is a fight size. That's true. But Amy, I'm going to agree with you for a slightly slightly different reasons. My I am on the same track. I am going to kill the Zebra Cakes because they're the zebra rolls because they just don't have as much going on there there to complain there to vanilla. They're just boring compared to the other ones. Yeah fine on their own, but you know, When you have a choice, you gotta go with something that's going to you know, make you feel a little more alive. Until they kill you from health reasons. But yeah, so I'm going to kill that one. I am going to marry the Strawberry Shortcake. because it's healthy and you want a healthy relationship. I mean strawberries healthy, right? That's how it works. So I'm going to marry that one and we'll be happy. We will be good. But I'd like to marry the pumpkin rolls, but they leave me for nine months out of the year. So that's just going to be a reclined Frolic nine months. That's that's an interesting number there. I don't know that comes around camera. Oh, no not like in the nine months later comes back. Imagine that there is some pumpkin spice going on there, I guess but yeah that that's that's going to be a problem. And yeah come back after going to the bad girl school. I don't know. I'll take this from here. I do agree with both of you that You you Frolic with the pumpkin spice. Like I said, I don't love any of these but I'm going to frolic with the pumpkin spice because I know at least it's not go away. I mean at some level I should marry it because I know it's going to leave me and that way I can just be a free man again in nine million in a section of what I take. I'm changing my mind. I am I'm going to marry it because I know it's leaving me in 3 months. We are getting married sign there can be like bring up. We're going to we're going to love each other and then in 3 months it's going to be like, you know, what? I'm out of here, but in nine months when it comes back going to be like you had your chance. You had your chance. It didn't work too bad. So sad. I've got a ding dong now. I'm going to leave it and just hook up with a different job or Whatever a Twinkie just the okay. Yeah we get yeah. I mean, yeah, so I'm going to do that. I I mean a Frolic with this is changing my whole mind and everything. Now. I'm going to frolic with the zebra cake because you know, it's kind of an interesting but was that means is that when we do Frolic it's going to you know, it's going to make sure that I enjoy it because it's going to want more cuz I miss only home hey Wild Kingdom, you know, hey, you know what? I mean? It's like I I know I'm kind of plane. I'm kind of boring. So like when the doors are shut I got a maybe go the extra mile so that I can get some more of this later. I feel like that's what like this thing would be completely completely boring plain white. If not for the strikes, right? So them the strikes just to like make it a little interesting. So I'm coming back for that. And then I'm going to kill the Strawberry Shortcake cuz I didn't really love it. You know, you know, like I said like those like jellyfish things in there just might they're not my jam. I'll respect that like you I am of that mindset. But in this case for some reason can't explain it. It works for me. I understand why it works for you. But I'm glad you understand why I'm going to murder death kill it off you get to match that up with the chocolate cake roll or a whole home with the Strawberry Shortcake and that's really good to know know my sister in the chat just said to add some money to make that Frolic more adventurous. That's a little bit what I was suggesting earlier. That's a little bit too much information about my siblings. Move on to the spice. Yeah, you know speaking of things that are heating up here. We have a Ruffles hot wings and we have Lay's hot sauce. Yeah, this is weird. So, this is Brian. Did you have a name for the segment where we have? Yeah, but they aren't the exact same thing, but they're similar and we had a lot of products that are almost the exact thing. So we're going to you know, play a game to see which one is the evil queen good twin turbo twin, right? Because buffalo sauce original buffalo sauce is Frank's hot sauce and butter. So Frank's hot sauce and buffalo wings off. It should end up the same and they're both even from the same company right Freedom Leon Russell's. So are these going to taste the same or different starting with the wings once it gets off the wings one? Yeah. We've had these on the podcast before there's a double crunch Ruffles, whatever that mean out to Buffalo e my eyes kind of hurt already. I'm just sniffing them. These are definitely like thicker Ruffles. That's what I remember wanting to defeat and ranch or something. A spicy chip. Yeah, I was warned to have milk writing. I don't. I wish I bet spicy. We've had much spicier Whiteley chickening but not too much chicken, okay? It wasn't awful. We have had worse. We've absolutely had worse. Let me just try and finish it. And Now ladies with one. These are both very bright red. By the way. This is a red red chip. Okay. It will sleep with the Ruffles. I do also get the hint of chicken. Not just the sauce. This is definitely a different flavor War. I can't even get to it yet. I mean like you could taste the same base in each of them. Now this is a lot more like just the hot sauce. Yeah, this is hot sauce without like the fake chicken added without the fake chicken or the butter. It's just the hot sauce powdered. Which isn't bad it isn't good. But now we're going to have good twin and evil twin. You're making me kill a Little Debbie product. And now you're making me say something good about a terrible chest. This is why we love this podcast. Oh if you like Frank's hot sauce, you'll probably like these. Okay, so I think what we do is we vote which is the good one and or which is the bad one and you know, there are three of us Brian for the people watching us on YouTube. Can you hold up one of the box to your face? You just I'm a little science experiment. We're curious about I was kind of wondering that myself. Definitely the face is definitely more red than yeah. Like is it more red than the bed? So which one is a good twin? Which one is the evil twin? Okay. I need to weigh the pros and cons here because The hot sauce does not have that slightly hint of nasty old chicken, but a spicier. You know what? I I agree like the Ruffles. I really like the I really like the crunch of the Ruffles but the sauce of the Lay's is a pure hot sauce. I think I'm going to say the Ruffles because of the odd chicken or the evil twin. Okay, I would have to say because it's spicy or the hot sauce lays or the evil twin Amy. You're going to call this game. I'm shocking myself and I'm agreeing with Danny. I'm not shocked that I picked those. I'm just shocked that we agree. I'm going to the Ruffles are the evil twin because God This goes back to my old saying right. I don't love me chips. I'm fascinated by me know we have other trips down the line to but also we want to take very very even more similar items. Like we already talked about Ho Hos and the original Swiss cake rolls. Pretty much the same thing. We're going to see which one of those is a good email to when we have some other ideas to go things that we want to try. So if there are any ideas you have of two things that are very similar or the same let us know and we'll compare them. I'm excited for when we did Oreo on Hydrox to like by far evil twin right or when we did the Entenmann's versus Little Debbie versus I mean, I wasn't evil privileges. Yeah. Yeah that was like in and out kid. I was like good twin evil twin and Outkast. Yeah, and it drops in my Used to have hydraulics more readily available and I remember them being better than the one good. They've changed ownership a lot of times younger. You didn't know better. So I want to try this off. Both of nut rolls are alleged in Minnesota, but for the holidays, they have a variety pack. They have the fault in that rolls. If you had them once you had a million times. I need a little buffer here. I'm just going to have one of the original rims, Brian is cleansing his palate they have in Halloween size a peanut butter chocolate chip salted nut roll, which Brian you've lived in Minnesota a long time. They make these here. Have you ever heard of that thing before? No, I have not and just for our YouTube. I'm just going to hold up this original salted nut roll their classic. They have nougat like when you call vanilla nougat in the middle nougat and caramel Moonachie nuts, even before Brian devices either get the center role the caramel rolled and peanuts and salted and the peanut butter. Chocolate chip when I see tons of chocolate chips little ones. I'm not seeing much nougat. I mean, I've got the nuts. I got the caramel peanut butter in the middle, you know, there's some peanut butter in here is a peanut butter Center instead of a new Gib center. It's it's well, not really. It's sort of peanut butter Center. You have a lot of chocolate chips. It is similar to a Payday and we're over again the suggestion payday vs. Salted nut roll like that. Definitely. You also get salted nut rolls in Michigan. I remember having them as a kid. I must say I know why the salted nut roll seen a lot more than these. Yeah this you would think peanut butter would just be a like automatic for me but not in quality. My place it's not really real peanut butter in the middle cuz it's kind of as a peanut butter new texture. I wasn't expecting a Reese's by any means, but the nougat is kind of. Steel, I mean but these are fresh. Yeah, but it tastes like it has that texture of it's not brush. It's definitely a little weird bulb not for mine. It's just I don't know what it is. I prefer the the original nut roll all I'm going to say this is definitely a lot to chew. Yes, this is this is definitely a candy that you you couldn't just quickly eat. You have to do that appropriate thing. I'm chewing it thirty two times or fifty seven times or a higher power train times. You supposed to chew your food. Right after with this. right I'm not a fan of this. I'm not know I love you, but no love it to me. I'll eat them but it's I mean, I don't even a zebra cake too long. I mean, I think we all know if it's edible will probably eat it in front of us, but that doesn't mean right when I think that's it guys. I think so too. I was just looking at the paid a barrage of frequently asked questions, which is our payday peanut caramel bar safe to consume if I have an allergy like really who's asking that question frequently. Like if you have a peanut allergy I'm going to guess that the peanut caramel bar is Maybe not maybe doggies that but her she actually give a straight answer it is it everyone every person situation is unique to his or her own allergen concerns and then the other type of how they label it with whatever is on it off. Yeah, cuz if you have a tree nut allergy, you can maybe eat the peanuts. I don't know anyways future episode we test your allergies. No, yes. Yes, we test your boundaries in a future episode episode perfect be the only one we can find out if my penicillin allergy is real I have that too. We don't really know on mine, mine. I think that's an episode. I think it is. Thanks for listening listening everybody Everyone by everyone.

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Dr. Says: Eat cheese?

The Dr. Gundry Podcast

38:08 min | 1 year ago

Dr. Says: Eat cheese?

"Welcome to the doctor Gandhari. Podcast the weekly podcast. Where Dr g gives you the tools you need to boost your health and live your healthiest life. Welcome to the doctor country podcast. You know. There's nothing more than hearing from my listeners and readers and boy have I had a lot of questions about my yes and no list of foods particularly as I put out a new book and that lists changes so I get it. You know one egg replacer that I might have recommended two years ago. I might not recommend now because believe it or not formulas change without consulting me so what I said was a really great egg replacer a year ago that formula changed and I no longer recommend that. A replacer you know. I do try my best to keep the list updated. I assure you I am always looking for new food to add and I'm always looking for when somebody changes something and if we don't get to the question I will try to remind myself to talk about the changes that have been made in corn products. That's not corn. It's Hugh Hugh O. R. M. Because I have a lot of patients that asked me about that so the fundamentals of the Yes. No list actually hopefully never change now having said that you really smart readers. Careful readers may know that in the Doctor Gunnery Cookbook the original one. I cited a paper. That said Pecans might have electon that. In some people attack the pancreas and that same paper suggested that there is elected in Seaweed. That may be problematic. And it's well hidden in that book but every now and then alert reader will pick that up. So why haven't I taken Pecans and Seaweed off the list? Well stay tuned because in my upcoming book the Energy Paradox which will be out this coming fall. I have found through multiple food allergy testing in my patients. That pecans often often often. I would say seventy five percent of the time. Come up as a food that people are allergic to so stay tuned. They may be coming off the list. Also we have found that there is a lectern in spinach that can be problematic for certain individuals. Not Everybody and as I get more data from my patients remember. This is not conjecture on my part. This is data driven from patient. Blood work as more data comes in. We may issue a cautionary note on spinach. But for now. Don't don't throw the spinach away okay. So there's always going to be great food steep and they're probably always foods that you should avoid okay so there's always exceptions to the rule and we're gonNA talk about some of the exceptions okay. Francey S. I. Heavy tree nut allergy so the acceptable flowers on the list or out of my range of acceptability I am also vegetarian. So meats and chicken on the list are cannot be dairy is one of my protein. Staples any suggestions. Well there's certainly a lot of flowers on the list that are not nut. Base for instance tiger nuts are not or not at all. They are a tuber. Cassava is a tuber millet grain without a hall as sorghum and we're increasingly seeing sorghum and millet flours available on a routine basis and if worse comes to worse you can find them on Amazon. Or on thrive so. There's multiple other flowers other than almond and coconut flour. Most people don't react to almond coconut flour. But I'll add the proviso make sure it's blanched almond flour not whole almond flour for instance trader. Joe's does sell a whole ground up almond flour. And you can actually see the flex of Brown. A number of my patients with autoimmune disease. Do React to the Latin and the peel of almonds. That's why you actually don't see almonds on the approved Nutley's Marcona almonds which are peeled almonds are perfectly acceptable but in my way of thinking there's actually far better announced eat than almonds in terms of feeding gut bacteria and I've written about that in the long jetty paradox. That there's better choices okay. Dairy is one of my protein staples well dairy protein if you find casing a to milk products and they increasingly available That's a perfectly acceptable protein source You can get it from goats milk you can get it from goats cheeses you can get it from sheep cheeses. You can get cheap yogurt. Which is absolutely fantastic. Sheep and goat cheeses from Europe. No matter where they come from her safe and most cows in France Italy and Switzerland are a to producers as is Buffalo Mozzarella so make sure it says Bufalino Mozzarella either from Italy. There's also a company that we've talked about before from Ecuador called BU F. And you can find in a whole foods you can find it in actually multiple stores now and a true water. Buffalo milk is perfectly safe now. Having said that there are a number of people in my practice who when we do. Further testing do react to all the casings in milk and even way protein in milk. So if you notice that even if you're eating casing to melt products and you still have an issue whether it's irritable bowel whether it's mucus production than your one of those people where Melk is one of your off. Food's always remember. There's there's no human need for melt were we're the only animal that uses some other animals melt product. Well cats like it but that's We give it cats. They don't go milk a cow so milk is not essential for your good health. Also remember that while there may be cheeses aged cheeses that have really cool compound called Pollyanna means which appear to promote longevity milk. In general liquid. Milk has lots of insulin. Like growth factor to make baby cows or maybe goats or baby. Sheep grow quickly so I'd much rather you use the finished product of Melk like an age cheese or even a yogurt rather than the milk liquid itself. Okay hope that helps Robin Ass. Can you drink almond milk? Well you you can drink almond milk. I find it a little watery bland. I think there's actually a lot better products out there on the market now. I'm particularly fond of a combination of macadamia and coconut milk. S- that are available. There's some really I think sick delicious. Coconut Milk S- that are available. There are some combinations of almond and coconut. Melt that give you the thickness you want. And if you WANNA have some fun. Look for several of the products that are non dairy half-and-half which are often a mixture of Macadamia a or coconut or almond melts. And you're going to get more of a thicker texture for those but you can drink almond milk. Christiane asked what about honey? Is that on the S or no list. So you'll notice in the plant paradox. Family Cookbook. I do recommend a few recipes using a little bit of local. Honey you gotta remember. That honey is sugar. There's no other way of looking at it. And in general we have far too much sugar in our diet period. That being said if you use local honey. There is some interesting evidence that they contain Health benefiting properties including actually some interesting probiotics and even prebiotics. So it's not it's neither on the no or yes list because when I originally made the list if I put everything that everybody asked a question about It would take the entire book just to do the. Yes and no list so rather than put at one place or another. It wasn't a big thing that my patients were demanding. And so I just left it off the list. One way or another but yeah honey does appear. You'll notice in several of my recipes but do try to get local honey and you know again. Support your local. Beekeeper support your local farmers market. And that's where you're gonNA find local honey and please don't make the mistake that local hunt. So for instance. I live in Palm Springs. My local honey is not from Orange County. It's from Palm Springs Same Way if I'm in Santa Barbara and my other home I buy site Santa Barbara Honey. Do I use it quite frankly? I almost never use on except to make one of these recipes. Rosa's am I correct in understanding. That much of the no list is perfectly fine if pressure cooked. She's specifically looking at squash keen while rice lentils the answer in a general rule is yes There are there is evidence that pressure cooking destroys most leptons. The exception to the rule listed on the list is gluten which is present in wheat. Rye and barley cannot be destroyed by pressure cooking. It is a really nasty protein. That can't be broken apart by pressure cooking having said that there is a protein in oats that mimics gluten and so. I've had a number of my canaries Test even pressure cooking oats for an hour and they still react to oats. So you'll notice that that's on the off. I have a number of people who still want to maintain their traditional diet. Their family diet and that includes lentils and for instance keen one and they do extremely well by pressure cooking their keenum. In fact interesting just this past week I have a family who have keen one. And they pressure cooked they're keen one or thriving on that and they invited their in laws over to have pressure cocaine Wa and the in laws said. There's no way we're coming over. That's not how you Cook Kina and you know you're gonNA make some regular stuff for us and they actually didn't and they fed their family. The pressure cooking. What man he said. You're not going to believe this. My in-laws actually said why didn't you tell us about this before? This is so much better than the way. We've been preparing it so true story from just this past week as you know in the plant paradox. I write about a woman who emigrated to La from Peru and wanted to continue her traditional diet which included keen one She developed some impressive bowel issues. Autoimmune disease and humorously her mother two weeks before her appointment with me flew from Peru and basically said you stupid girl. Didn't I tell you you have to pressure pressure cookie nwe and she took her to bed bath beyond and bought her a pressure cooker and when? I met her She said you know my mother would be you to me. And ever since she's been pressure cooking or keen while she is resolved issues so these are real things white boss mighty rice. I personally feel is the safest of the rices. Please pressure cook it. And as you've read even with with any of the starches you're best off to pressure. Cook them. Put a little coconut oil in the pressure cooker with these starches but then cool the starch. Put it in the refrigerator. And then reheat it the next day cooling. We'll take any of the starches and increase their resistant. Starch content what resistant starch means for those of you who are just kind of getting into this. It is resistant to normal digestion. So it takes longer to digest number one and number two some of it. Actually resists are normal digestion and then is eaten by bacteria in our gut so it becomes a prebiotics. Now we can get really nerdy on resistant starches but really nerdy potatoes. Good old white potatoes can be made a resistant starch but the starch in potato is actually in our to starch and it is actually eaten by bad bacteria rather than good bacteria so it's another reason to avoid potatoes even if you're going to pressure cook them now. I do have some of my patients that have to have their white potatoes and MASH POTATOES. And yes we have them. Peel the potatoes and pressure. Cook them. But if you're looking for a starch that's good for you. That's way down the list. Okay so let's take a quick break. Hey everybody it's doctor here and I've got some very exciting news right now. You can sign up for Dr Countries newsletter as a subscriber you'll get updates about new episodes of the doctor country podcast where we talk about all things. Health Trust me. You won't want to miss out. Also keep you in the loop of all the things. I'm up to from news to events special appearances visit. Www DOT DR dot com to sign up. Okay Sherry S. How do you ensure adequate potassium intake on the Diet? The Nana's are a staple for me to ensure appropriate potassium levels. I know sweet. Potatoes are a good source but so one has to remember that the United Fruit Company who originated bringing bananas to the United States had to make people adopt to a new foods. Sort of one the fascinating things about about bananas that I hope everyone knows that bananas were the original fruit that could be picked green and then shipped across the country and then ripened with either exposure to air or ripen rapidly with exposure to the gas. Ethylene oxide so that was the motivation for making bananas. A desired food source. So how'd you make people eat bananas when they don't know anything about it in the early nineteen hundreds? The United Fruit company paid doctors to tell people that bananas were a great source of potassium. That people need in their diet. It turns out the potassium. 's that potassium is not particularly high in bananas? In fact there are far better foods including leafy Greens that have far more potassium per outs Dan Bananas but it was this marketing plan over one hundred years ago. That actually made people doctors to this day. Tell People Eat Bananas for potassium? Incidentally the United Fruit company formed with the new founded kelloggs cornflakes company in nineteen o six to have a coupon for a bunch of Jakisa bananas in every box of Kelloggs. Cornflakes and doctors were paid to tell people that the healthy way to start. Your Day was with a bowl of kelloggs cornflakes with a slice banana. So that's why you know now I. My mom gave me a healthy sliced banana on my kelloggs cornflakes every day. While I was growing up and while I was getting allergy shots little did I know little. Did she know that's because of the power of marketing and is anyone who learns if you say an untruth often enough and loud enough it will become the truth? How's that okay also? Calcium is a concern so most of the world two thirds of the world cannot drink milk because of lactose intolerance they did not inherit the mutated gene that allows most European ancestry to tolerate lactose. Many of us don't have the particular lactobacillus by can digest. Lactose easily to the world does not use calcium does not take calcium as a supplement the FDA has warned that in general we should not take calcium in a supplement form that we should get calcium which is an essential mineral from food and so it's incredibly available in all of our green leafy vegetables. It's actually President Avocados to a very good amount. It's present in millet and sorghum. It is president and beans and people have to understand I have nothing against beans and lentils as long as you pressure cook them they are a great source of a prebiotic fiber. But just take the time to detoxify the electives by pressure cooking. And it's so easy to do. If you don't WanNa do that you can go to your friendly store and pick up Eden brand beans. I have no relationship with them. E. D. E. N. and they are the only being that I have found that his pressure cooked in the Cam. It's pre soaked and the beep a lie. There is no BP lining in eating beans and believe it or not. I have a shelf full of eating beans in both of my pantries and I eat them. So whoever puts out on the Internet you know I am totally against beans. That's not true I eat them. Maybe I'll post a video meeting beans. That'll be good okay. I'll look for that bottom line. How does one ensure the right vitamin and mineral balance? So if you eat a wide range of different different starches different routes you will maintain an adequate balance one of the things that has been noted over and over and over again. Is that our soil? Even our organic soil is terribly depleted of magnesium and selenium. How do you get when you're one of the easiest ways is to buy a bag of Brazil nuts and he three Brazil nuts day? That will get you your daily requirement of Selenium and. Actually they're pretty good for you. Magnesium on the other hand is really difficult to get by eating food and I have every one of my patients on a magnesium supplement. I particularly like potassium magnesium aspartame eight. There are several companies that manufacture it. Look for the most you can get per tablet or capsule the labeling is very inconsistent if you have any issues with cramps in your legs cramps particularly at night. Or if you're doing a Kita genyk diet you absolutely. Positively must supplement with potassium magnesium aspartame. And it's actually one of the better tolerated. Combinations of magnesium at high dose magnesium will act as a diarrhea or Saas tool inducing agent. Milk of Magnesia is concentrated magnesium so those are the chew two really fundamental minerals that may be lacking in our diet because of our soil. Depletion SHELLY ASS. I love Avocados but in the last five years or so. I have extreme gut pain when I eat them in have eliminated them for my diet. This diet seems to rely heavily on Avocados so I am wondering I am having a problem with them. And what other options do I have? So I have several patients who clearly react to Avocados and some of them actually seemed to develop an intolerance for them the longer they eat them. So I think Avocados or one of the greatest fruits there is and yes on. Avocado is a fruit. It's a single seeded berry but on the other hand. If you see that there is a food that you react to. It's you know like the old doctor job doctor. You know whenever I do this. I get a headache and the answer is well. Don't do that and so if you notice you react. Avocados don't do it. I can tell you. I have a number particularly women who get irritable bladder from eating spinach. And they notice it universally and I can tell you. I have purposely overloaded myself on spinach anti induced irritable bladder myself. So I believe you when you told me that and there are compounds and spinach that are capable of doing that and they actually brings me to an interesting point A patient asked me a couple of weeks ago. The more you kind of stick with this program when you go off even with a little cheat do you notice. You're now realizing that that product that food actually bothers you and I think that's actually a great observation because I noticed that myself and I noticed that in lots of patients normally we are so bombarded with compounds that universally make us feel bad have brain fog. Have bad sleep have pains? We are so used to that that when we take all those products away and we finally wake up when we add that product back our sensitivity is now heighten to the actual effect that product was having on us. And I'll give you an example. It's it's actually in my new book but I'll give you a preface As a transplant surgeon both doing kidney transplants and heart transplants. We would have people who were functioning Quite well with basically horrible kidneys or a horribly pumping heart and they could do a number of things when we would put a kidney in them or a new heart in them within a day they would go. Oh my gosh I forgot what normal felt like. This is what normal feels like. And it's so interesting. I've been so impressed that we have been so surrounded by food that's toxic. That's making us feel bad. Having low energy having fatigue having brain fog that we're so used to that we think that's normal and what's really delights me. Do I mean when it happened to me is when that lists you go? Oh my gosh. I forgot what normal feels like? And so when you add something. Back that is one of the culprits. It's wonderful because now your body says hey you idiot. What did you do that for? You can feel it immediately. So it's it's a real thing Scott from instagram. As can I drink ciders as a beer? Alternative? That is a great question. Scott because I have a gentleman who's in his seventies who has some of the most impressive leaky gut that I've come across. He does not absorb protein. Well he is skinny as a rail and his wife is a faithful follower of mine. And he's actually a faithful fowler of mine except he used to drink a six pack of beer every day. We weened him down to one to two beers per day and he still has leaky gut. So I said I'll tell you what. Let's do a really specific leaky gut test on you. And let's find out your culprit Knowing full well what I think we thought we'd find and Lo and behold all of his leaky gut test game back and son of a gun. I've been telling them this for ten years. He reacts to Wieght and surprise elite in severely to gluten and gluten is in his beer no matter what beer drinking beer has gluten and his wife you know hits them over the head with your pocketbook and say I told you you gotta give up the beer so why. I'm going to do next week when I get back to springs office is I'm GonNa have my staff call and say I'm GonNa make a swap for you. Let's get rid of beer and let's put insider and we're gonNA see what happens. Great Question Yuli from INSTAGRAM ASS is teff flour allowed tough is actually very interesting ancient grain from Africa. It's really tiny. It GROWS IN INCREDIBLY ERA. Did awful places and it's a staple of the people. I go dig wells for in Ethiopia and teff is actually a safe grain. It's another one of those Hollis grain. Tried a by tough. You actually support indigenous farmers so Hannah from instagram asked for high fat dairy products. How important is it to stick with organic dairy products? Es Get organic dairy products but warning if it says grass fed but doesn't tell you the cow breed most of our cows United States Holstein or their jersey. Cows jerseys are half a one and half a to so they do have a one casing in them. The picture elsie the cow was a Jersey cow for those of you who remember board and fame. You're better off getting excuse me cheeses from raw cheeses from France Italy and Switzerland which have all been grass fed. And so they're all organic. You're just much safer so the follow up with that. What about cream cheese well cream cheese does not have any casing in it? I mean there's a microscopic amount but it's on really basically unmeasurable so your safe with organic cream cheese as one of the SAFE. Cow's milk product if you're gonNA use cream cheese so kristen asks what about blue cheese? So there's lots of great blue cheeses out there but I would prefer if you got your blue cheese from particularly France Italy or the mountainous areas of Germany and Switzerland which are all a two cows blue cheese from England and having lived in England. I loved Stilton Cheese. It's the wrong breed of cow. It's a whole steam. So you're much better off getting your blue cheeses like penny and I do from from France. That's the blue cheeses. We use oriented so a Goldstein from instagram. As please recommend a Parillo oil to cook with well there's actually a number of parole oils that are available if you go to an Asian market Pearl oil is the most popular oil for cooking in Korea and parts of China. You can go on Amazon and get it. I get mine from a company called Dr Wonderful Which is easy to find on Amazon? I have no relation He may be wonderful for all. I know But I've been using that for a number of years. My personal feeling is that long term in phase. Two or beyond olive. Oil is your best buddy because it has far more polyphenols than parole oil. The benefit of parole oil is. It has a lot of what's called. Rose MORONIC ACID. Which is one of the secrets to the longevity and good brain health of the Achy role? Is that cute community that is south of Naples which has the oldest the biggest percentage of over one hundred year old people of any community so rose moronic acid which by the way is in one of several of my products is one of the real secrets to longevity so three. Oh three Charlie from instagram wants to know about micro-toxins in coffee and chocolate and other things and he wants to know. Are they really as bad as certain people say they are? That's a great question. I actually take care of a number of people who come to me. With a mold. Exposure or mycotoxin exposure including one of the world's experts on him. And I'll give you my take on all of this. I don't test for these things the fact that you may test positive for G to various mold or other. Fungi does not mean that. Those molds and fungi are in you or that you were ever infected with them. It means that you were exposed to them. And you appropriately made a antibody to these having said that your immune system most of our immune systems because of leaky gut and quite frankly I think about one hundred percents walking around In America have leaky gut and your immune system is so hyper on Stone. Alert that any foreign protein will activate them to attack not only them but you normally when your gut is sealed and you have normal component of microbiome with lots and lots and thousands and millions of different species. Those species literally educate your immune system. That we've got your back. Whatever you're going to swallow will take care of and even if we don't they're not going to bother you and you guys can just rest and stand down. I'm a perfect example of that. I got allergy shots for most of my teenage and young adult life. I don't have any allergies anymore. I was allergic every mold. There was I could live in a moldy house. I will not have any reaction to mold exposure because my immune system is different by the way the Italian government has issued statements that there are no micro-toxins in Espresso so there are not Because the process even if there were the cooking process the high temperature kills and deactivates any mycotoxin. Same Way with chocolate. So if you react to these molds or fungi it's because your immune system is hyper reactive and that's actually telling you. These guys are not the problem. The problem is you got leaky gut. And you got a horrible imbalance microbiome. We fix that. That problem goes away as it did with one of the world's experts in micro-toxins when we changed her leaky gut. So that's it for this week from the Doctor Gunnery podcast. Please send your questions on in. It's really fun to get a chance to answer your questions and send more and we'll be happy to put me on the firing line because I'm Dr Gunnery and I'm always looking out for you. Thanks for joining me on this episode of the Doctor Country. Podcast before you go. I just wanted to remind you that you can find the show on itunes. Google play stitcher or wherever you get your podcast and if you WANNA watch each episode of the Doctor Country Podcast. You can always find me on youtube at Youtube Dot com slash Dr under. Because I'm Dr Country and I'm always looking out for you.

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446: Digital Customer Behavior

Crack the Customer Code

13:13 min | 4 months ago

446: Digital Customer Behavior

"Jenny are you as excited as i am right now. I might be more excited. Well it's not a competition. But i'm excited because we have a new partner. We have a sponsor for the season of the customer code and it is a leader. That's right we're so excited because you know we are always looking for great partners for content and for guests and we felt like this was such a good fit. I mean one of the things that alita says is that they believe in putting truth in action. And i think we talk about that a lot. We talk about how to take these customer truths and put them into action. So we're thrilled to have them as seasonal sponsor one hundred percent and many of you may know alita so it's spelled a. l. idea but they are been in this industry forever because they used to be called vision critical and many people in the customer experience space many of our listeners. Certainly know that they were the world's first cx and insights platform and they're completely focused on data and transforming customer experience. Now that's right and so we have so much to talk about with them. We know that we're going to bring you a lot of extra valuable content. Thanks to this part partnership and sponsorship so thanks to alita and thanks for being here for our season as well a hundred percent so make sure to check them out at elite dot com. Da com and you'll be hearing more. It's the season goes on. Get ready for the customer code your audio guidebook for creating incredible customer journeys adam. What's carry by from determination. Of course nine sky now. Well i think we've reached the point. Where peak skynet. We are at peak sky net. Yeah y- you know how. I know that's not true. Because we're not hiding underground voting the robots. Now we're not avoiding the robots. Were actually welcoming them into our lives and yet today thought we talk a little bit about how you know in the last year or so We've had such dramatic change in digital transformation in the experience for customers focused on their digital behaviors. That there are some really exciting things happening. And then i am going to predict a few things that i think will be really exciting to you. It's prediction time you ready sure. Yeah hit me shania. So what are we talking about. So we know the robots are going to take over one day. Well really. It's about understanding how to both leverage Things like artificial intelligence. Ai and machine learning but also how to Map that to your customer journey and so marketing profs came out with a an article on this a little while ago. And one of the things that they mentioned was conversational. Ai has improved so much that there are so many more things that can do like in the form of chat bots and digital engagement mechanisms. They can actually help with product and service recommendations for the next thing or the next best offer the next action which i think is more advanced than we thought when chat bots were first introduced. So that's one thing that i think is important to recognize is that they're starting to really assist customers in very personal ways and provide more personalized experiences. But i'm sure you're not paranoid about that at all. I talk about and think about a lot in the context of customer experience and there's a few levels to it right one is just. How good is at conversation. Because we were talking about conversational. I did a webinar at the end of two thousand twenty for a company right. They do a lot of conversational. Ai and one of the big focuses is just getting the data set in not for necessarily the customer learning part. Which i know. We're going to talk about a little bit in this episode. But simply for improving. Leading the way i improve improving the conversations making it more human knowing know not making the conversational i basically just a fancy version of the dial. Three style. four where you're stuck in the loop and you want to go crazy. You don't want that with the chat. Bot you don't want that with the conversational so you know. The data is both a learning sort of a learning mechanism. I guess for lack of better word but also It's something that can be used to tailor. The experience right absolutely and i think the other part of that is that we've also learned just through the introduction of some of these tools that of course the people who are programming and designing these experiences with the ai. They have a lot to do with what that looks like what that experience looks like. And that's why it's so important to have a diverse team who can help you with this design making sure that you are recognizing different Speech patterns different cultural things. All those things in a. I just like that so important in real life as well so i think we're you know we're learning at the same time as the machines are learning just which is pretty crazy to think about. But that's the level where we're at right now and i just think that as people have embraced digital experiences more and more and how how you know we've seen incredible acceleration of digital transformation in last year when you put those two things together. There are some really exciting ways that i think you know once we start layering. Ai and machine learning onto some of these other experiences we can get really cool results. And that's the part. I'm really excited about. I think that this is the tip of the iceberg. We have so much to learn about all of this. I think one of the things. I'll say unless you have some actionable sort of Insight here. I think one of the things when you're looking at ai for your organization is figuring out because it is to your point is just improving. Like gangbusters right. I mean the rate of change is incredible. But it's still you know when you think of the context of human conversation or something like that it's still very basic and a lot of ways and knowing what its role in the customer experience should be what its role in a service interaction should be. I mean we've been saying for years everybody in our field you me that okay the machines are gonna take over the routine. Kind of interactions right. And that's going to free. The theory is it should free up the men's for the more complex and rations the the tough the tough situations we trained in customer service. How to handle right but one of the things as technology grows is understanding. What does that mean. What is the range of that first zone right. What what candidate really do without I did before i did that. Webinar i won't say the chat bob but i did a little test chat bots and made it part of my slides right and i tried to be fair to it and not crazy stuff but i did ask human questions like a human would ask us dumped it really quickly. Yeah and that that happens. And that's what people's experiences have been so some people go in kind of thinking. No i can't deal. It's kind of like what happened with. Vr right like people would in the beginning. It was like push one for service people. That was pretty cool and then after a few years it was like the menu went on and pushing the numbers. Push twenty seven for convertible notes. Yeah exactly exactly. And i think the same thing kind of happened with ai. It seemed like such a great idea. People rolled it out very quickly. They weren't really prepared for those hiccups and so customers got stuck. I think what's happening now. Is you know we're learning that first of all you need to have centralized customer data as part of this. That's something a lot of organizations are still struggling with but you need that one view of the customer that includes both the one view for the the machines and for the people who are interacting with that customer. You need to understand all of those automation triggers and where they go and where those dead ends are. If there are dead ends for customers you really need to think through the customer journey in a in a bigger way because that's what really will help guide The the programming and the design of these these tools that we're using and that's what's going to provide a better experience for the customer a one hundred percent and i think you know if you're looking at i and for your your business or your department or whatever it may be looking at that experience but also like how can we improve the experience using the data that whatever the is that parts getting incredibly better. We've been talking about big data for years. And now we're getting the ability to actually make sense of the big data faster in more usable and more actionable way so it is a until the singularity until the robots take over it is a world of opportunity for businesses it. Is you want to hear my three predictions for how we might be able to use it. Let's hit at three fast. Heart predictions go so the first one is we're going to be using our mobile devices for all sorts of reasons like restaurant menus and event kiosks in hotels. Because we're not gonna want to touch things still and think about what that would mean if i'm in a restaurant and i have my personal menu and it knows for instance. It might know that you're a vegetarian. It might know that my son has a tree nut allergy all those things so that it could guide us to those right right. Selections with ai. That's one thing. I think we'll will be really cool to see. Another is augmented. Reality is everywhere. Now we're using augmented reality to decide you know what outfits to pick out on ourselves. What what chair to put in our living room. I think there's so much opportunity here where. Ai can give suggestions about you. Know what that chair looks great. But you really need better lighting in this room especially when you're doing zoom com so you should have an attitude with the totally. My i want mine to girlfriend. They'll put that exactly exactly and then the last one which is super important is you know. Think about how important healthcare scheduling is right now and how people need different access at different levels you know chat bots could really really help here. A could really help guide somebody through those decisions through that next best action and it can be personalized and it can be meaningful though it is a machine. That's really guiding them. So there you go. We'll see if i'm right at the end of the year. Well i like that. I think that was a good set of three predictions. And maybe we will revisit them and see how you did genie. I can't wait. i can't wait well. You know what another thing that i'm always right about. Adam always right about that. Sounds like that's right is that we have the best listeners in the world so thank you so much reframe it as one of the few things you're right about but yes you are appropriate. Thank you listeners. Thank you so much for being here and listening to crack the customer code and a huge thank you to our seasonal sponsor alita. Don't forget to check them out at a lita a. l. a. dot com. I'm jeannie walters and you can learn more about me in. Our journey mapping programs see x. Training and speaking at experience investigators dot com. You can learn more about me. Keynote speaking virtual of course right now we're service training and customer experience at us mors that stick dot com until next time. Take care of yourself. 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Chris Watts Pt. 1

Crimes of Passion

47:24 min | 1 year ago

Chris Watts Pt. 1

"Due to the graphic nature of these crimes listener discretion is advised this episode includes discussions of violence and adult content but some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under the age of thirteen. Nicole Kessler Park in front of her boyfriend's House and hurried up the front walk. She was eager to see Chris. They had only been together a few weeks but Nicole already felt like she was falling in love. This was real. She grinned as Chris opened the front door and let her inside but when she got to the living room her heart sank. Kris told her that he'd split up with his wife that they lived separate lives but looking around. Nicole saw signs of the other woman everywhere when she asked Chris about it. He shrugged her off. He and his wife had agreed to separate months ago. They just hadn't finalized it yet but as Nicole looked around at the family house a not twisted in her stomach. She studied the pictures on the wall. There was Chris his wife and their two children looking happy looking like a family. She glanced at Chris. He smiled at her. He had such a kind smile. Sincere is a Guy Lewis face but Nicole couldn't help wondering inc. Was Chris wants lying to her. Hi I'm Lena. Hops and this is crimes of passion. A podcast original. The legal definition of a crime of passion is a violent crime that occurs in the throes of extreme emotion leaving no time to reflect on the consequences but in this show we explore how passionate relationships sometimes lead us to criminal activity. How does the husband and wife become killer and victim or killer and co-conspirator if there's a thin line between love and hate what manipulates our relationships into deadly results? You can find episodes of crimes of passion and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream crimes of passion for free on spotify. Just open the APP type crimes of passion in the search bar at park asked. We are grateful for you our listeners. You will allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network this week? We'll talk about Chris and Shannon Watts. From the moment they married in two thousand twelve. They seem to have the picture. Perfect life their posts on social media gave the impression of a couple madly in love breezing to adorable daughters in a beautiful home in reality an extra marital affair financial struggles and conflicts with extended family. Were Tearing Chris and Shanon part next week. We'll discuss the shocking brutal crime. That ended the watts marriage. We'll also talk about the investigation and public scandal that followed from a young age. Chris Wants Future Wife Shanon. Catherine Roussette wasn't outgoing. Social person who liked to keep busy and meet new people while she was a student at Pine Crest High School in Aberdeen North Carolina. She began dating a young law student named Leonard King. There are few public details about their courtship but the relationship quickly turned serious. They did and they married not long after. Shanon graduated from high school in two thousand and two however Leonard said. The couple soon grew after graduating law. School Leonard became a public defender. Shinhan took a store manager job at an auto maintenance and repair shop and poured herself into her work. She didn't seem to have any time or interest in maintaining their marriage it was like she and Leonard Lib two separate lives in the same home. Leonard said that while the attended a few counseling sessions together. Shinhan refused to open up. They didn't argue but as Leonard told it Shinhan simply checked out of the relationship within five years they filed for divorce. Shinhan stayed busy with work after the marriage ended. She was careful about saving money and in two thousand nine. She used her savings to purchase land. In Belmont North Carolina. She then built spacious home on the property just twenty five years old. She was doing well for herself but around the same time she also began to experience chronic health problems in. May of two thousand ten. She was diagnosed with Lupus a disease that causes the immune system to attack the body's own tissue and organs in Facebook Post. She also mentioned that. She was possibly suffering from thyroid problems. Fibromyalgia Migraines Celia disease and show grinch syndrome. Shinhan leader said. It was the darkest point of her life. She felt scared alone. She lost many of her friendships because she didn't have the energy to go out or socialize. But that's summer. She received a new friend request from a stranger. A twenty five year old man named Chris Watts. Christopher Lee Watts was born on May sixteenth. Nineteen eighty five in Fayetteville North Carolina. His parents described him. As a happy friendly softspoken child. Others characterized him similarly. One of his former teacher said he was very clean. Cut Very respectful very smart. A high school friend said that Chris was the kind of guy that all the girls have crushes on. Everyone liked him. Chris Father worked as an auto mechanic and Chris followed in his footsteps. After graduating Chris went on to work as a technician at a Ford dealership. A friend said he didn't have much of a social life and he almost never approached women he was too shy but social media gave him an opportunity to meet new people and a casual low stakes setting. He came upon Shannon's facebook profile because the two shared a distant connection Shinhan was friends with his cousin's wife. He thought she was beautiful and on a whim he sent her a friend request. Shannon leader said that when she accepted the request she never expected anything to come of it but after exchanging a few messages. She agreed to go out on a date with Chris for his part. Chris could tell that. Shannon wasn't impressed when they met in person on their first State Shinhan thought he was under dressed. He wasn't taking the date seriously but she agreed to see him again and soon. Her attitude shifted for their third date. The peer decided to spend the day at Myrtle beach. However Shinhan wasn't feeling well her Lupus was flaring up. They left early on the drive back. Shannon leader head in Chris's lap trying to get comfortable. Chris remain as still as possible so that she could rest undisturbed. Shinhan was touched that he let her lay on his lap for the entire two and a half hour drive later speaking about the early weeks of their relationship. Shinhan said I rejected him. I pushed him away time and time and time again but when I cancelled dates last minute because that's how life is with my health challenges. He stuck around and he stuck around because he was the one for me. After a few months things got serious and the couple started talking about marriage. Shinhan decided to invite her parents. And Chris's parents over for a backyard. Cookout Shannon's parents were thrilled to see the couple. So happy together. The Chris's parents didn't feel the same way. According to Shannon's mother Sandra Chris's parents were Sullen and standoffish at the barbecue. They seem disapprove of her daughter. Chris didn't date much and they weren't used to him having a girlfriend. His mother apparently resented him having a new woman in his life. When the two mothers were alone together. Chris's mother Cindy made a disparaging comment about Shannon. Being divorced later that night cindy remark that she doubted in an really loved Chris. Sandra was upset on her daughter's behalf. She later said of Chris's mother. I knew she was going to be a thorn in the marriage. Sandra was right to be concerned. Research indicates that conflict with inlaws create strain on relationships. Before I continue with the watts psychology. Please note that I am not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist. But I have done a lot of research for the show University of Cambridge psychologists. Dr Terry after has singled out in low conflict as one of the top three causes of Marital. Strife doctor after conducted twenty year study surveying forty-nine couples about their family relationships at the end of the study. Dr After said I was surprised how often men chose to protect their mothers against their wives. The saw a wife as stronger and tougher and therefore the one who should make allowances this kind of behavior can drive a wedge between couples leading to feelings of betrayal and resentment and Shannon's case. It was clear that she found Chris's family toxic early on. She didn't like their holdover him or their hostility toward her. But Chris's mother Cindy defended. Her comments she felt Shannon was too critical of her son. Shinhan said that Chris wasn't the kind of person she expected to fall in love with to Cindy. That sounded like Shannon looked down on Chris despite the tension Chris and Shanon did their best to prevent his parents from interfering with their relationship by April. Two thousand eleven after she and Chris had been dating for about eight months. Shinhan started looking at engagement rings online and posting favorites on her facebook page in August crisper posed at Ocean Isle Beach. The couple was eager to start a new life together. But also seemed to want some distance from Chris's parents. Around the time of their engagement they visited some of Shannon's friends in Colorado. During the brief trip Shinhan fell in love with the place before they left. She posted a facebook status about how she hoped to be back soon. Shinhan watched Chris load their suitcases into the trunk before getting into the car. She paused to take one last. Look around she was dreading the flight back home in Colorado. She felt lighter. She breathed easier. Maybe it was a mountain air or maybe it was the chance to escape. From the stresses of normal life. The trip was good for Chris to he could be such a homebody. He hardly ever made time to go out and meet. New People if you asked him who is best friend was he'd probably say his father. Shinhan thought it was about time he left. His Comfort Zone tried new experiences and left old things behind after all. That was what marriage was really about. Getting a fresh start embarking on a new adventure just the two of them together after the trip twenty. Shinhan desperately wanted to move to Colorado. She thought it would be good for twenty-six-year-old Chris to get away from his family whom she called possessive and controlling. Chris's mother made it clear that she disapproved of Shanon and the move but Kris told her he didn't care. Shannon was his family now within a few months. Chris was hired to work at a Ford dealership in Longmont about thirty miles north of Denver. Colorado early thousand twelve staying with Shannon's France while they figured out a more permanent arrangement. Shinhan joined Chris about a month later she was able to secure a job at the same Ford dealership in the sales department. People at the dealership. Like the couple Shannon's boss. Greg allure called her sweet as can but he also noticed something else in a later interview. He said that Chris was very passive. Shannon was very aggressive with him bossy. Do this do that telling him what to do. Dominating the relationship. Many of the couples other friends and family saw the same dynamic an action. Chris always seemed to follow. Shannon's lead even Shannon admitted that Chris didn't like confrontation psychological researcher and clinician. John M Godman conducted a study on sixty married couples in which he measured the vinyl signs of spouses during a verbal disagreement. He found that men had higher pulse rates and elevated blood pressure compared to women he theorized that men have a lower tolerance for marital discord because they feel physiologically overwhelmed by it. They therefore may be more likely to avoid conflict rather than address it. This can be dangerous. According to Dr Goldman in an interview he said having a conflict free relationship does not mean having a happy one there are conflicts that you absolutely must have because to give in is to give up some of your personality. Chris often complied with John's wishes. Thinking it would make life easier in the short term. He didn't realize long-term Toll. It could take on his psyche even so christened. Shannon's relationship dynamic didn't give their boss Greg any cause for concern. He said they were just an everyday American couple. Greg had no way of knowing that that couple was under an enormous amount of emotional strain stress. That would only get worse after they said till death. Do we part up next. Chris and Shanon face financial difficulties as he adjust to their new lives in Colorado podcast listeners. I am beyond excited to tell you about a new podcast original series if you enjoy stories about crime mystery and the unexplained. You'll absolutely love supernatural with Ashley Flowers. It's hosted by Crime Junkies Ashley. Flowers and you can hear new episodes every Wednesday. Most mysteries can be solved by looking at the facts but sometimes the facts don't lead to a logical explanation and the truth lies somewhere in the unknown in supernatural with Ashley. Flowers Ashley takes a deep dive into the strange and surreal to explain some of the world's most bizarre true crime occurrences each week. She'll dig into a different crime or mystery where the most fitting theory isn't always the most conventional from exorcisms to unsolved murders to alien abductions. Ashley will take on. The tails challenge the unexplained and dissect the facts with a heavy helping of skepticism and rationale. So are you ready to get to the bottom of history's most peculiar events? Follow supernatural with Ashley. Flowers free on spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Now back to the story in early two thousand twelve twenty six year old Christopher Watts and twenty eight year old Shannon Russa were newly engaged had just moved to Frederick Colorado but before their new life could truly begin. They had to travel back to North Carolina for their wedding on November third. Two Thousand Twelve Shenanigan. Chris got married at a doubletree hotel. The dance the night away among friends and family. Only one thing missing Chris's parents. His family refused to attend. They were angry that Chris and Shanon had moved to Colorado. They felt Shannon. Had Taken Chris. Away from them. Chris's mother explained. We didn't attend because Sean and I just couldn't get along. Shinhan tried not to let it bother her. The couple had enough on their minds. They had just purchased land on Saratoga trail in Colorado and had plans drawn up to build a new home. They're while they waited on the construction. They got some more big news. On April sixteenth. Two Thousand Thirteen. Shinhan discovered that she was pregnant. She was ecstatic. She'd worried her health. Problems might make it difficult to conceive. Now it was like all her dreams. Were coming true. A month later in May Chris. Johns home was complete and they were able to move in with a brand new house and a baby on the way they seem to be living the American dream and like many millennial couples they were quick to share all of it on social media. Shinhan even started a blog to document her pregnancy. She called it journey of Bella. Marie named for her unborn daughter. One recurring theme and Shannon's post was how much she loved shopping for the baby. By the time she was halfway through her pregnancy. She had a closet full of clothes for her daughter. She often took pictures of her. New purchases along with captions. Like can't help myself what these pictures didn't show. Was that Chris and Shanon were falling into serious debt. They were putting thousands of dollars on credit cards. In addition to their brand new mortgage at some point Shinhan also went back to school for nursing. She didn't complete the program but still took on student debt. For the course load they're monetary will is put their marriage at risk in a two thousand four report for the US Department of Justice. Researchers found that couples who report feeling high levels of financial stress are three and a half times more likely to be involved in domestic violence compared to couples who report feeling low levels of financial strain their money. Problems may have been particularly hard on Chris because he didn't feel like he had any control over them. Shannon didn't trust him with the family finances at one point. He sold his truck for less money than he owed on. It Shannon was furious from then on. She handled all the financial decisions. He later said that he didn't even deposit his own paycheck. He handed it directly to her this man that he could only watch powerless as their expenses piled up. Perhaps to remedy the situation and help pay the bills. Shinhan took a nighttime job at the call center of a children's Hospital. She also began selling handbags on the side through a direct sales company still Shannon. Chris struggled to stay afloat and they'd soon have to add the expense of a new baby on December seventeenth. Two thousand thirteen the couple's first daughter Bella was born in the months following her birth Shannon's facebook page showed typical loving parents delighted to welcome their first child. She posted dozens of wholesome pictures of the family. Going to baseball games taking trips to the lake. Picking Pumpkins for Halloween. But again social media didn't the whole story in the fall of two thousand fourteen less than a year after giving birth shouldn't and became pregnant again. The pregnancy was physically difficult for her. Her mother recalled that Shannon experienced severe back. Pain chest pains and exhaustion. But her health wasn't the couple's only source of stress. Their financial situation had improved either. They knew they needed to increase their income. To offset their debt. So Chris sent out to look for a better paying job in January of two Thousand Fifteen. He was hired as a field coordinator. Anadarko petroleum his salary increased however. The new jobs still wasn't enough to help them recover that summer. The couple filed for bankruptcy. They're filing showed that their monthly expenses for their mortgage and car payments exceeded four thousand dollars. The documents also showed that they had nine dollars and fifty one cents in their savings account and about eight hundred and sixty dollars in checking a few weeks after they filed for bankruptcy their second daughter. Cecilia C. C. Watts was born stress upon stress piled atop the family. At one point Shannon's parents left North Carolina and moved to Colorado to help out. They live there for about fifteen months and during that time. Chris and Nancy slowly tried to climb out of debt in January of two thousand sixteen thirty two year. Old Shannon began selling thrive vitamin supplements through a direct sales company. Lavelle she was evidently successful as she soon quit her other jobs. Shinhan use social media to market her products and to recruit new sales reps for the company. She posted scores of videos on facebook on a daily basis touting both the health benefits of the products and the advantages of joining lavelle for Shan. Her family was part of her brand she raved about how working from home as a sales rep allowed her spend more time with her children and she used Chris to advertise the products themselves pointing out that he had lost weight. Using the thrive supplements Chris could see. His wife was a talented saleswoman and recruiter. He later said she could sell everything. You're wearing back to you. However Chris didn't enjoy participating and Shannon's online sales pitches. He said those videos were not me? I just did it to support her he added. I just hated being out for everybody to see still. Chris did enjoy some of the perks and got her new work. She reportedly won several bonus vacations for meeting sales targets. Chris accompanied Chanel on trips and company retreats to San Diego New Orleans. Toronto Las Vegas and Puna. In the Dominican Republic shown and documented the trips. Heavily on social media she raved. It's amazing but my husband and I have created more memories in the last two years than we did in the previous eight. My mood is so much better and we're having fun. According to social media the Watts family was living a comfortable even luxurious life. But again it's difficult to discern the reality in two thousand thirteen study. Researchers from the University of Missouri Columbia Survey Two hundred in five facebook users and found that a high level of facebook usage is associated with negative relationship outcomes and an increase in facebook related conflict. A more extensive survey in two thousand seventeen from scholars. Holly Be Shock. Ya and Acre stock is found that high levels of facebook use correlates diminished wellbeing. Frequent user self reported a reduction and physical health mental health and life satisfaction for Shanon. Facebook was essential to her employment. She had to maintain a certain online persona in order to be successful at her sales job. But this meant that. She couldn't always be honest about what was really going on. Chenine didn't publicly TALK ABOUT MONEY. Or the couple's previous bankruptcy and instead mostly she stayed focused on her current success. Still she did occasionally post about other stresses in her life. Both the watts young daughters like Shannon experience chronic health issues they suffered from asthma allergies ear infections and respiratory infections. Cc reportedly has surgery on her esophagus to correct a medical issue. That caused breathing problems. The medical bills accumulated as a couple brought the girls to various specialists as a debt piled up once again. Another monthly bill was added to their expenses in two thousand seventeen that year three year old. Bella began attending a private preschool around the same time. Shinhan reportedly underwent surgery to repair a degenerative disk in her neck. An old friend Christina. Meacham came to live with the family for two months during Shannon's recovery while staying with them. Pristina noticed that the family lived beyond their means. Shinhan seemed anxious about money and worried about buying enough food while Christina was there but even with these worries Christina thought that Shannon Chris had agreed marriage she later described it as model relationship. She wasn't the only one Shannon's father Franklin said that he never saw any problems between the couple. They were great parents. The seemed happy. Shinhan thought so too Shinhan trained. Her phone's camera across the room until she landed on Chris. Playing with the kids. She couldn't help but smile. She had to admit sometimes when she asked him to appear on camera he seems stiff and uncomfortable. She wished he could just relax but it was different when he was playing with the girls. She didn't have to tell him to act natural he was just himself? They loved him so much. They were lucky to have him. Shinhan kept the camera running. She wanted to revel in every moment of their joy whatever their struggles they were a family. They were in this together. Nothing could ever change that by the end of two thousand seventeen. Shinhan Chris had been married for more than five years thirty two year old. Shannon told friends they were just as in love as ever. She never suspected that thirty one year old Chris felt any differently but in just a few short months. Everything would change. Chris was pulling away from San. He taken an interest in another woman coming up. We'll talk about the love affair. That torpedoed Chris and Shannon's marriage now back to the story. My the late spring of two thousand eighteen thirty-three-year-old. Chris and thirty four year old. Shannon wants had been married for about five and a half years. They had two little girls. Bello was four CECE was about to turn three. But perhaps they didn't feel their family was complete yet at the end of May. Shinhan revealed that she was pregnant for the third time she posted a video online in which she surprised Chris with the news. Chris grinned when he heard but some viewers later noted that he didn't seem overjoyed when he saw the pregnancy test. He said mildly. I guess when you want to it happens. It may be that Chris's mind was already on something else. Someone else early that Summer Chris had gotten to know a new woman at his work. Thirty year. Old Nicole Kissinger Nicole and Chris didn't cross. Pats very often most of the time. He did onsite work at oil wells while she worked in the company's main office but one day in May of two thousand eighteen. Chris went to the office to retrieve some equipment. He ran into Nicole and they had a long conversation from then on. They got into the habit of chatting each morning when Chris. Stop by the office before leaving for the oil wells. Nicole said that when she first met Chris he wasn't wearing a wedding ring. Chris later said he was getting it re sized since he had recently lost weight. But Chris didn't mention to Nicole that he was married either not at first when he finally did bring up Shinhan he said they were in a bad place and on the verge of separating. Nicole believed him in late June. Chris asked Nicole if she wanted to see him. Outside of work the agreed to meet for a walk in a park near Nicole's home. Chris was normally quiet and introverted but he felt comfortable around Nicole. She was easy to talk to and they shared a lot of interests like cars and physical fitness festival. He never had to walk on eggshells or worry about making her angry. Nicole thought he seemed sweet and kind. If he wasn't still married he'd be perfect. Meanwhile Shinhan noticed that. Chris seemed eager to spend more time at work on June twentieth. She told a friend that Chris had missed her first sonogram appointment but she might have been too excited about the baby to read anything into it. Shannon was also planning for an upcoming trip. She decided to take an extended summer vacation to see her family and Chris is in North Carolina. She and the kids were going to be gone for six weeks. Since Chris had to work he would remain home in Colorado for most of the excursion he planned the join them for their last week of vacation on June twenty seven Shanon Bella and CC. Flew East North Carolina. Chris was on his own and he was ready to take advantage of it. You went to visit Nicole at her house in the two had sex. Nicole leader said that she felt bad about dating a man before his divorce was complete. She claimed that she even encouraged him to give his marriage another. Try but Chris said that he wasn't interested in that and suddenly. He began opening up to Nicole about his marriage. He told Nicole that everything seemed good on the surface. He and Shannon rarely fought throughout the relationship. He'd mostly gone along with whatever Shannon wanted but apparently he'd been holding onto some resentments he'd been burying his emotions and keeping up a faux happy front but in front of Nicole. He let out his true feelings. Chris said that the perfect life and an presented on social media was just a facade that she was too bossy and controlling that she didn't actually care about him or his interest but only cared about appearances. The she destroyed their finances with her. Need to have a big house full of expensive things. She wanted people to think they had it. All he didn't want any of it. He shared grievance after grievance from Chris's Rantings. It was clear that his marriage was unsalvageable. So Nicole kept seeing him. Chris's complaints about Shannon are in line with the way. Many cheaters rationalized their infidelity researcher. Benjamin warrick conducted a study at Adelphi University seeking to understand how people see themselves after cheating on their spouses. He found that adulterous blame their spouses more often than they blame themselves and they underestimated the emotional impact of their infidelity. Chris had been stewing in his own repressed emotions for so long he may have seen himself as the true victim when he cheated on. Shinhan at the time he certainly didn't show any signs of wanting to call off the affair on July fourth. Chris invited Nicole over to the house. Nicole later said she didn't feel very comfortable there on the walls she saw pictures of. Shannon and the kids. Nicole suddenly felt like she was intruding on someone else's life but Chris insisted that his marriage was done so she again believed him. After Nicole hung out with Chris at his house day they went to a baseball game together over the next two weeks while the rest of the family was in North Carolina Chris. Nicole met for movie dates talked on the phone and traveled to boulder together to visit the Shelby Mustang Museum all the while Chris was having regular facetime chats with Shannon and the girls. They seem to be enjoying their trip at first. They plan to spend each weekday with Shannon's family and weekends with Chris. They were initially happy with this arrangement but in the second week own. Tensions with Chris's family reignited around July eight. Shinhan watched Bella. Nc as they played with their cousins outside Chris's Parents House then they all disappeared into the house. Shinhan followed them into the kitchen. Where she claimed Chris's mother was giving the children ice cream which contain nuts. Cindy later said the ice cream did not contain any nuts but had been made in a factory where cross contamination might occur regardless. Shinhan explained to Chris's family that the girls had a deadly tree nut allergy and asked them to put the ice cream away. Chris's family reacted with hostility. They apparently thought. Shannon was overreacting or exaggerating. The girls' Allergies Shannon. Insisted that Bella. Mcc couldn't be in the same house as any nut. Products Cindy countered that. It was unfair to deny the rest of the family. The treat even if the girls were allergic. It turned into a heated argument. Furious Shannon immediately left the house with Bella and see see. She later texted Chris that he needed to talk to his family and stand up for her and the children. Chris agreed to speak to them. But Jon continued to fume about the confrontation. She complained about the incident on facebook. And Chris's mother responded by blocking Shanon on July Fifteenth Shenanigan. Her parents held a party for C. C.'s third birthday but Chris's family refused to attend Shinhan was hurt while she stressed about her in-laws she started to see troubling changes in her husband. That second week of July. Shinhan noticed that Chris was an answering her calls or returning tax as frequently as she wanted him to. Chris seemed distracted. He was on July eighteenth. Chris began hiding erotic pictures of Nicole on his phone. He stored them in a secret calculator. App A decoy APP. That looks like a real calculator but is used to hide photos and videos and a discreet folder. All the while Chris Nicole continue to go on dinner. Dates and outings the met daily at Nicole's apartment for sex. It was clear that their relationship wasn't just a fling. The affair was becoming serious on July. Twenty eight. The pair took an overnight camping trip together to the Great Sand Dunes National Park on the trip. Nicole recorded a video of herself to Chris. Saying thank you so much for coming out here with me. Christopher I am having a wonderful time you mean a lot to me. And I'm glad you're having a blast while they were on their getaway. Chris didn't respond to Shannon's calls at all. She texted him angrily that she hadn't heard from him in forty eight hours. Chris apologized and told her he would see her soon for over a month he enjoyed the bachelor life with his new girlfriend but it was about to come to an end on. July thirty first he flew out to North Carolina to join Shinhan and the kids on his first night. There Chris Shannon and the children had dinner together and the restaurant of a family friend. The friend leader said if there was trouble in paradise for them. They did a wonderful job hiding it. I did not get any negative vibes about him. Or from Shannon or the girls in relation to him but while she kept up a positive front inwardly inwardly. Shannon was more convinced than ever that. Something was wrong with Chris at one point on August third. They had an argument by text. She wrote from the day I left. You never said I missed you before I set it. Something changed when I left. You may be happier alone and that's fine you can be alone. They were still fighting days later on August. Six told her that he was afraid to have a third child. He wasn't sure he wanted another baby. He was also angry at Shannon about the rift between her and his family. He felt she was making him. Choose between them. Most of all he just was ensure he and Shannon were compatible anymore. Shinhan told a friend that she was devastated she texted. We never had a problem in our relationship like this. No joke never. This is total left field sitting on the bathroom floor of her parents house. Shinhan couldn't stop crying. She almost felt like she was a child again crying and helpless but this was even worse. She wasn't a child. She was a grown woman pregnant with two kids and a husband who was no longer in love with her. How had this happened? She thought she'd gotten everything right. The House the man the life they even swimming along for eight years weathering all of their challenges only for it all to fall apart so suddenly there had to be an explanation. People didn't just suddenly fall out of love. Chris must be hiding something. Shinhan suspected that much but she dreaded finding out what it was on August seventh two thousand eighteen. The family returned home to Colorado Shannon and Chris were still at odds. She apparently suspected the truth. She asked him if he was having an affair but he answered no the following day. She told a friend. We are supposed to go to an ultrasound tonight and he doesn't want the baby he'd aborted if I said it was okay in a bittersweet text exchange on August ninth. Shanon sent Chris ultrasound picture they were having a boy the intended to name him. Nico Lee Watts that same day. Chris deleted his facebook page. Shinhan asked why he done it but he didn't respond when his father texted him the same question. Chris cheerfully replied liberated myself throughout the day. She told her friends about her marriage. And the possibility of a divorce but she said she hoped it wouldn't come to that. She googled options for couples therapy. Unfortunately the next day Shannon had to travel for work on August Tenth Shannon left Chris and the children for the weekend to attend LAVELLE company training session in Scottsdale Arizona as soon as she was gone. Chris scheduled a babysitter to come the following night. He wanted to take Nicole out on a date. The next day Kris told Shannon he was going to a baseball game with tickets. He'd one from work in reality. He met Nicole for dinner that night. While Shinhan was out with other sales reps she nudist the sixty dollar charge on their credit card. From Chris's date likely due to an alert from her credit card company. She called Chris to ask about it. And he said he'd gone out to eat after the game but Shannon was suspicious. She wondered what he could have eaten. That could have cost so much. She even Google the menu of the restaurant to see the prices and work out the math. She asked him to save his receipt so they could write the meal off but likely she just wanted to confirm her suspicions. Chris was having an affair. Shinhan wasn't sure what to do. She was set to return home the following day. She finally had to accept that her picture. Perfect marriage was a lie. It was time to confront reality one. She and Chris were face to face they would have it out once and for all thanks again for tuning into crimes of passion. We will be back Wednesday with the new episode. We'll talk about how the watts family shattered in a devastating explosion of violence and the fallout from the crime. 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Exploring the Eczema & Food Allergy Risk Link with Rebecca Hartman, MD MPH

Baby-Led Weaning Made Easy

24:58 min | 3 weeks ago

Exploring the Eczema & Food Allergy Risk Link with Rebecca Hartman, MD MPH

"You know they have this clean hypothesis. Live these very clean live and to our bodies. Don't see all these other allergens to react to. Unfortunately when they're not challenged sometimes they react to benign innocuous things like peanuts. Hey there i'm katie. Ferraro registered dietitian college nutritional professor mama. Seven specializing in baby led weaning. Here on the baby led weaning. Made easy podcast. I help you strip out all the noise and nonsense about feeding leaving you with competence and knowledge. You need to give your baby a safe start to solid foods using baby led weaning. Guys welcome back. Today's topic is a little outside of like the typical baby led weaning content arena. Because we're gonna be talking about eggs and you might be like katie or are you talking about exile on a baby led weaning podcasts but they are linked or they may be or. There's some research that indicates exuma in babies can possibly increase food allergy risk and managing. It might help reduce risk for food allergy development. But it's all like huge big gray area super confusing to me even as a practitioner in this field super confusing to parents. So that's exactly why. I asked my guest dr recco hartman to join me. We can explore this link between eggs. Emma and food allergy risk. So dr hartman is a board certified dermatologist. She also has then. Mp aches masters in public health. She's really into research. And kind of the nitty gritty looking at some of these recommendations. She's an instructor and dermatology at brigham and women's hospital in boston. It's a major teaching hospital of harvard. Medical school and dr hartman is also affiliated with the dana farber cancer institute. She is a medical adviser to ever eaten so ever eaten is a company that makes all natural skincare products for babies and adults in. Dr hartman is actually here on behalf of ever eaten. She's part of their moms in medicine team. She helps co create formulas offers expertise on certain ingredients and then interprets the research. Like we're going to do today with regard to exa in food allergy risks. So she's got this great professional background but dr heart is also going to share in the interview a little bit about her personal situation. Which is she is a new mom. She has a son named ethan. He just turned seven months old. He's had mild which she said is now like getting worse. Exxon she's going to explain the difference between mild moderate severe eczema. 'cause that's confusing to parents. So her babies always had eczema but she's doing be led weaning. She actually said she listened to the podcast even before we connected which was so cool so glad i got to talk to her about both baby led weaning and her area of expertise which is dermatology. But she's gonna talk today about how when she introduced some of the allergenic foods that her baby did have reaction so now they actually suspect peanut allergy working on testing with her son. Ethan and then possible. Tree nut allergy. So when i first started talking about the link between exit on food allergy risks. Some parents were reaching out saying god. I feel so guilty. Or i feel like you're accusing me. Like my baby had eggs and then got a food allergy. Because i didn't do something. And i just wanna clarify right off the bat that the point of this podcast is not to make anybody feel bad if your baby has zima and then later develops a food allergy but rather to raise awareness to this emerging small amount of research. That shows a possible link between exits and food allergy and spoiler alert. If you don't wanna listen within the whole thing you should because it's a great interview but we really don't know how strong the link is but it's important to have the people working in the field interpret that and on top of that. Dr hartman has a baby with eczema. That probably has food allergies. So she's going through it just like a lot of you guys are. I mentioned that she's part of ever edens moms in medicine team. I do also want to disclose that. I am an affiliate forever eden. It's a brand that. I was recently introduced to when one of my twins little gussie had some really nasty zima flare up. I'm he'd never had it before. And like around two. Got super bad so i started using ever eaten. I was so impressed by it. Not only use it for seven. My kids actually use it for myself. But i reached out to them to see if i could collaborate with them. So we're gonna chat a little bit about what ingredients you look for and what to avoid when you're choosing products for your family skin care and dr hartman will dive deep on that for you guys but if you do want to check out some of the ever eaten products i have a fifteen percent discount code that you can use. It changes all the time. So i'll linked to the current fifteen percent code for ever eaten in the show notes for this episode which you guys can find at be l. w. podcasts dot com forward slash. One seventeen again. Be l w podcasts dot com forward slash one one seven for that fifteen percent discount code for ever eaten so with no further ado. Let's explore the eggs. Emma and food allergy risk link with dr rebecca hartman. Thank you so much dr hartman for being on the podcast. This is a real treat. You so much for having me really excited to be here all right. Can you share a little bit about your background in the work that you do as a dermatologist shirt. So i'm a dermatologist. I work at brigham and women's hospital in boston which is affiliated with harvard medical school. And i also very proudly serve our veterans at the a in boston. There are no baby veterans. That i've seen. Fortunately but i do like working with the veterans as well and i'm also a mom so i have a seven month old named ethan and we are embarking on the adventure of leaning together. Okay can you tell me a little bit about how it's going every would i. Everyone will have lots of questions about eaten. So if you don't mind sharing how his introduction of solid gone yeah so you know. I had a lot of friends. I had a cousin who did. The baby led weaning. I had another friend. you know. it's something that i think is getting more and more interest now and so at six months We tried it. In what i just wanna say those moms out there doing it is it definitely takes time like i. The first month. I was like god. This is never going to work. He just sits there he like pulls out his bid he plays with the food. It's like he can't pick it up and something after like a month it just clicked and now he is a champion. It is going so well. He needs a variety of foods. He he loves healthy foods. He loves like kale suck on a piece of kale for for a long time. You likes broccoli. he likes. We're trying to do a lot of iron rich foods. So it's actually it's been really great and one of the benefits. I think that people talk about is like my husband. And i can eat our dinner while he eats. I mean more watching him of course for choking and safety but it's really nice it can media just works well with our lifestyle we have some extra food and whatever we make it. Try to make an actress salty and we give that to him. I love to hear baby led weaning success stories and thank you for the reminder that it is really slow going at the beginning. It doesn't mean you're doing anything wrong. Most babies it will click around four six sometimes even eight weeks hanging their mom. If you're just getting started dr harmon. I know were here today to talk about the relationship between exit and food allergy risks. Do you mind sharing just a little bit about ethan and you introduced any of the potentially allergenic foods with him. As part of baby led weaning. Evens is seven months old. He was pretty much exclusively breastfed until six months when we felt like he could sit up well in put food to his mouth and then right away. We interest rate before six months. Actually i tried to introduce allergens based on the data from the leap study which looked at infants. aged four. to eleven months the average age was around eight months and randomly assign them to eat about three teaspoons peanut butter per week about three or more meals versus just avoiding peanuts because the older teaching was just avoid allergens and the kids that ate the peanut butter regularly actually had far fewer allergies to peanuts obstacles than eighty six percent reduction in the risk of peanut allergy's for those eight the peanut butter regularly so knowing this data as dr i right away trying to give even peanut butter rape before six months and unfortunately with his first exposure he got high so we did subsequent testing. And we think he's probably peanut allergic unfortunately. Okay what about tree nuts. Yes surgery tree nuts. An almond butter. A couple of times and heated. Well try cashew butter and he got a rash on his face. So we're gonna do more testing for that so unfortunately think about a third again. I'm not an allergist. So i apologize to my allergy. Data's not spot on dermatology. You can hold me to it. What about a third of kids with the peanut allergy or about a fifth can also have the treatment. Allergy is my understanding. And do you mind sharing just a little bit more about like the peanut reaction. Like what are the hives. Look like and why were those potentially more concerning to you than just the rash that he got on his face from cashew. Was it full body. Hives with their changes in breathing. Anything else you saw from peanut yes. Unfortunately for him. It's just been rashes. I'm all the do so. There's some question peanut capacity breast melts. I've noticed sometimes. If i peanut butter and the nurse him i feel like he's more but anyways that may be anecdotal but as a dermatologist the to highs is that you see these kind of red ill defying squashing areas. But they also have dima there some swelling so they have these pale area areas with power that are swollen so to me as as a dermatologist he. Pretty clear-cut had hives anheuser concerning for a food allergy. Because they're mediated a different way than like an x amount or another type of rash and the way that they're mediated can unfortunately also be associated with more severe types of reactions like nfl axes which involves stomach problems like vomiting. Beebees can actually go limb on in the most fear complication of Is if their blood pressure drops. That can be very dangerous situation so fortunately he just had the hives but with allergies like this. My understanding from the allergist is a really unpredictable so a prior mile reaction does not predict the severity of a future reaction. And so once you see highs in a baby with food introduction it. it's time to take it seriously and bring it to your doctor and certainly one of the reasons why we'd recommend introducing it early and often is because it's actually quite unlikely to see the allergic reaction on the first exposure tends to be on the second or subsequent exposure as it can certainly happened on the first but can also happen on the fifth or the sixth and that's why we encourage parents you shrimp once. It's not one and done. You gotta have continually be reintroducing these foods into the baby's diet so for our parents that are here. They're interested in the early introduction of allergenic foods. They know there's some data that shows that may help prevent food allergy. Could you speak to the relationship between eggs. Emma and food allergy risk. How are those two topics linked. Yeah so it's interesting. When before i had my son i just always thought they were linked because it's genetic like people who are predisposed to exim are predisposed to allergies. They call it the atop march they can get amlogic rinus at making get asthma. But as i did reading. Learn with my own son. The actually people. Now think that a topic dermatitis excellent in itself is a direct risk factor. Food allergy because the skin barrier is abnormal. It's unhealthy enact mar a topic dermatitis. And this can allow allergens in the air or contact with her skin to see the immune system in a way that they normally would not be able to do so. And there's some thought that seeing the allergens gut through eating promotes a healthy response to these allergens. Them in your skin does not. And it's probably part of why the early introduction is helpful. Were showing these allergens through the gut and the gut responding and saying okay. These are safe. These are not a problem so unfortunately for for babies with axa there at high risk have allergies be exposed through their skin and develop unhealthy response to them. And that's probably why my son before eight even tried. Peanut butter had already had a reaction but he may have gotten it some through the breast milk or some thoughts that he actually the peanut protein. Some women in one study about half the women did pass it in their breast milk in half did not one thing that i think is confusing for parents. I know myself. I was confused when the leap. The learning early about peanut allergy trial results came out and we were really diving. Deep into it was that what was defined as high risk for peanut allergy dot criteria changed after that publication and to now if a baby has severe eczema and or egg allergy there then considered to be high-risk for peanut allergy parents. Here eggs emma. And they're like whoa. That's me that's my baby because my baby has exa. Could you share a little bit about the difference between mild run of the mill eggs emma and the severe eczema that puts baby in high risk category for peanut allergy. So it's really common for bbc general type dry skin. Their skin barrier is just not much her in normal like an adult skin barrier. It has problems keeping the water in and have a lot more skin for their weight than adults do. So there's just a lot more ways that they can lose water through their skin so it's not. It's not uncommon for kids to have or babies have dry skin. You know for excellent. There are different scoring systems but one of the most communist the easy score. Ea sl and for that Extras called mild. If it's just barely perceptible there's not a lot of intensity for the redness sticking thickness sorry swelling and like had ificationbut kind of ignition being thickening of the skin. It's rated moderate if there's obvious abnormalities of the skin for example my son will cost is moderate. Sometimes his whole just feels rough. It's obvious that it's damaged. Skin and severe is where all the skin is really read in inflamed in need need to use prescription medicine so most babies do not fall in the severe category. Probably most fall in the mild and then the next most common be moderate. And i would see severe pretty rare and so. You're joining us today. The way i got introduced you was through the brand ever eaten. I know you are on their team of moms in medicine. I believe you're on their medical advisory board. Could you hear a little bit about why you decided to be affiliated with the ever eaten brand as both amanda dermatologist. Yes so arm. Date approached me with their moms in medicine program and when i learned about their brand i really liked how they're Science back so they wanted me to work with them onto look at the evidence for ingredient. So i'm an epidemiologist. I have an mba at just like you excited to see the that you have one as well and certainly that helps us interpret studies in data and they really wanted to be very data driven with their approach using gradients that have evidence behind them and so on and i love reading papers in examining the data so i thought it was a great fit and i was really excited to to help bring products. Opt out kids in their families and their mom use ingredients that are evidence based and if you guys want to check out the ever eat in products i have a discount code. Put it on the show notes for this episode of you guys go to be l w podcast dot com and just search ever eaten this episode with dr hartman will come up and i know i was gifted products by the brand which i get a lot of products for work but this one was really unique and as i started looking into it i thought wow this is cool because not only are the founders moms. But they're also dermatologists working in medicine and research. Because i know as a mom. It's really confusing like when you look at the products like what ingredients do you wanna have not have and i was curious if you had any tips for us as moms dads caregivers trying to buy products like what do you like to see or not. See you're gonna put on your baby's skin. I really wanna see ingredients that have data behind them to work and so those ingredients include things like colloidal oatmeal which has been shown to restore the skin barrier and also reduce inflammation sarah minds. Which are these really critical proteins in the skin that help promote the lipid barrier which protects the skin from water loss. Sunflower oil has been shown to be anti inflammatory into help the skins. These are some of the ingredients that i look for in products that i use. I'm not you know a lot of moms like natural. I think naturals potential to be great. I have to say to me. It doesn't matter as much of its natural or not. Just the ingredients work really well and i think it's confusing like at least a nutrition. The term natural means nothing. Like you can literally ascribe it to so many things that are quote unquote unnatural. That gets really confusing so sometimes parents like just tell me you know i'm like hey no added sugar in the food no added sodium like. Let's just keep it kind of simple if you can sometimes when you read ingredient list though they'd get really long like i'm not a dermatologist. I don't know if this is good or not. So i do like taking recommendations from other moms especially like a physician mom so thank you for filling us in about the brand curious if you would share. I know your son has. Would you say it's mild eggs Were mild to moderate how you dealt with that. That was my. I know call monitor. It's interesting when he got the food allergy at the same time as excellent was horrible. I'm when i was talking to one pediatric allergist. He said it's often like that it's like everything's going haywire once so i would say moderate i mean. We have had use topical steroids for it and we certainly see in our practice. Parents that are reluctant to use topical steroids. Because they're prescription. They're not natural. But it really worked amazing for my sonnet calm down. Angry skinny was really uncomfortable. Which is any parent is hard to watch. And when i use them they made a big difference and now of course the nice thing is we only need to use them as a rescue. And now we're just working on kind of maintaining the skin barrier in keeping the inflammation away by using some of these evidence based ingredients that we discussed so. I know that the research around food allergy risks and eggs. Emma is still emerging and i've had parents Say that even when you broach this topic. They feel like it's their fault if their baby had eggs emma and they then developed food allergy. I'm so happy to have you on the podcast to help raise awareness about the fact that there might be a link. But what do you say to parents were like. Oh my gosh like you yourself. You have a baby that has eczema and possibly has food allergy. Is this something that we did or didn't do like. How do you deal with that. Yeah so that's a really tough one. I think as parents we are instinct is always to blame ourselves or to be really hard on ourselves. I think we have to do everything we can to try. Not do that too much. Because we're all trying to be the best parents he can be. Parenting is definitely tough. It's the hardest thing i've ever done of the med school harder than residency tall. Those parents working hard out there. I salute. there's anything anyone did raw. You know this is probably a combination of genetics and environment. Like my husband has x. amount. There's a common tation the flag mutation. That's really comment about one. In three people have it and it just predisposed you to axe and environmentally. We are seeing more and more exa allergies asthma in our society. And that's probably a reflection of you know they have this clean hypothesis. Believe these very clean lives. Were not as not as many people are working outdoors. The in the fields in the woods farming. You're out working with farm animals and our bodies don't see all these other allergens to react to unfortunately when they're not challenge sometimes they react to benign innocuous. Things like peanuts when you know. I don't think you can fault yourself. There's nothing that you did wrong. There's no data to show that there. Anything could have been done differently to prevent this from happening. So what did. I want to ask you as a dermatologist. I'm a fellow moment. not a dermatologist. I have seven small kids. I hate baiting them. I only do it once a week. My grandma always said she made their kids once a week whether they needed it or not. And i've heard that might actually be beneficial. That like fading. Your kids too much could be problematic. What am i has really bad zima. Just curious about your thoughts between bathing and then other things. We can do for eggs control in our children. These are great questions. I agree. I think overeating is a problem. Can you know really hot water. And harsh soaps condition drop the barrier function of scanning worsen. xm of and really for kids. I'm a fan of kind of a bathing. What that means is for the little babies they really only need to be bathed once a week max. They're just not getting very dirty. They don't sweat they don't go out and do much although they're working hard at developing their brains. They're not. They're not that active. And if you made more you may be damaging. Their skin is babies. Get older or like my son seven months and he has asthma. Then it's important actually a little bit more to try. Keep bacteria down because bacteria and have a complicated relationship where they both feed off one another so skin is much more prone to be colonized by staff orients which is a problematic bacteria so i be my son at least twice a week for that and i even do. Something called bleach bats. Which i recommend you don't do unless you discuss with your pediatrician or dermatologists. This is something that needs to be discussed with a doctor. A decision made on an individual basis. But for us. I think it works well and it involves basically using a very very small amount of regular strength liege in whole backup so that the corn concentration is like a pool. You never wanna let the baby's head get in there of course in general bath. You're watching the baby. You don't want their head to to get in the water for just talking them in that for a few minutes. Kind of the thought has helped decolonize some of that problematic bacteria from the accident. And then you rinse it off. And then i let him have a regular bassett and play a little bit harsh bathing for long periods of time with hot water. Harsh soaps definitely constrict the skin of its protective layers and can contribute to worsening asthma. So and then of course. I caught age-appropriate bathing because as kids get older. A fourteen year olds Teenager that's been playing soccer and they probably need more regular bass in that would be age appropriate for them. We were talking a little bit earlier about the signs and symptoms of food allergy. And i know it's not related to the exit question but one thing. I share a lot on instagram. Share with me in the chair with my audience are what pictures of what allergic reactions look like because they do manifest themselves differently especially in children of different skin colors and so sometimes i think we traditionally here hives raised red itchy patches but if a child has darker colored skin it may not appear to be read. Do you have any tips for parents. What to be looking for for specifically for hives. Yes so that's a great question on his well known in dermatology that are images of skin. Problems are disproportionately in lighter skin. And that's a problem because we're not being trained appropriately to care for everyone. So i think it's a great question. I'm highest. the key feature of highs is that there were. We call a dentist which means swollen and filled with fluid. Because what happens is there so much inflammation that the blood vessels get leaky. And they leak out there. Fluids keep future of highs is that they should really be raised in swollen and often they have surrounding redness in central pallor loss of color but certainly in darker skin types. Rents can be more difficult to see. My son is what we would call type four so he has kind of towards the more darker types get his skin definitely did get read so everybody these different but i think the key is looking kind of for these raise spots which you know. A colloquial term would be like welts. But they're they're kind of raised in swan almost like a bug bite a bug bite. It's like a localized highs and is kind of along the same lines but i do a weekly free workshop call debut weenie for beginners and at the end we answer questions and i get like the same questions over and over but i got a different one the other day which was okay. Katie you've been showing pictures especially on social media of what babies of different colored skin look like when they're having a reaction. I'm not sure if you would know this but because it's about skin color. I want to ask you dermatologist. When we talk about the difference between gagging and choking gagging being a good thing baby. Ten turn red or pink. But they're making noise it's audible is passing through with choking. Babies tend to turn blue and there is no noise in babies with darker skin. Does it look blue. Or what would you be looking for skin color. Wise anything you could speak to their potential choking incident. Yeah so certainly. That would be very scary. But i do think when babies are not getting enough oxygen. You can see the blue collar really in any skin type so you know around around. The mouth is one of the most common sites where you could see cyanosis. And so i think it would be visible. Even in darkness can be but in general darker skin. A callers may be harder to see so one meaning to look more closely with dr harman. Thank you so much for your time. This has been incredibly information. I know our audiences appreciate as well. Thank you for sharing your professional expertise but also your personal story with your son ethan. Where audience go to learn more about you and your work and also your affiliation with ever eat and brand shirt so i can look me up at the website as well as at dana farber cancer center and ever eaten i can be found on the moms in medicine page on their homepage. And i'll go ahead and linked to that for you guys on the show notes for this episode. B l w podcasts dot com. Dr hartman. thank you so much. Thank you so much for having these my pleasure well. I hope you guys enjoyed that episode with dr rebecca hartman. I just love her. Not only she like super smart. You know the harvard dermatologist etc. But she's sharing professional experience but she's sharing her personal experience with us. And i love how she shared about her son ethan. He's got eggs. Emma now appears to have the probable peanut allergy and possible. Treat allergy and my intent in doing this episode was to help you guys realize that yes. It is a lot to deal with manage especially if you have a child with food allergies. It's doable and the research is and we need to stay abreast of that. So i'm going to link to all of the resources that dr hartman was mentioning in her episode on the show notes for this page which is b l w podcast dot com forward slash one to. She is a medical advisor to the brand ever eaten. So she's part of their moms in medicine team. They're the dermatologists who are also moms. Who make all of their products and ingredients. If you want to check out the ever eaten line. I have an discount code. It changes all the time. So i'm gonna put it on this show page for this episode. B l w podcast dot com forward slash. One two nine. But you can get fifteen percent off if you want to check out some of the ever seen in products. I know i've been using them for. One of my little guys has really bad eggs and then i started using them for myself like the baby face cream. I'm all about. It's like the best face lotion i've ever used. That is my affiliate code when you find it on this show but i also only work with them and recommend them because i absolutely love their products and just want to say thank you again dr hartman for coming on and sharing your story and helping us learn more about this link between eggs and food allergy risks again. All the resources are linked at bmw. Podcasts dot com slash. One two nine. Thanks for listening guys by now.

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Conor and Jenny's Burning NFL Questions | Weak-Side Podcast

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Conor and Jenny's Burning NFL Questions | Weak-Side Podcast

"The NBA is back after a long strange hiatus we're finally getting to finish the weirdest basketball season of all time and SL. PODCAST has a front row seat join me Ben of open floor and Chris Mannix on the Crossover Mba show every week for our takes from inside the bubble and the best analysis and news on the NBA's mad finish. Subscribe to both shows anywhere you find your podcast. Okay to save it. This week's episode of the weakside podcast with Jenny Renta's conroy is a special is an understatement. Jenny I mean we are kicking everything up a notch. We are kicking up the intensity, the heat, the production we're we're going all out here because this week we have four each other some burning questions. Sorry I spoke to Syrian I. You know my timing was off there with the sound effects. How do you not love that I love it. This is how good our producer is our producer shelby. Watch this. burning. Questions. That's as close as you're gonNA. Come to feeling like a magician where you can just make something happened simply by saying you know isn't that amazing? I love it. We've been talking a lot. necessarily. So some football gentle topics, this has been a difficult summer I think for everybody you know inside and outside the sport and we want to with training camp. It's happening right I. Mean we we did not expect it to be on pace like this. Obviously, there's a ton of players who have opted out instill there may be more players opting out but as it stands right now, we are still on pace to have football with the giant and Asterix next to it, you look at what's happening with the NBA with Major, League Baseball. We don't really know what's going to happen but if that's the case I, think that we should dive in a little bit and we should ask ourselves some of the questions that we. Might have been asking off season if this if this podcast was was happening under under typical circumstances so Jenny, I got to for you and I know you have to for me. So I don't know are you excited for some burning questions? This is never going to get all. Maybe this'll become a weekly ashtec connor. I. Love a good bit. Love a good bit I. Don't Know What do you think? Your opener really got me fired up. Your head coach standing in front of his team. You're like matt, rule you now generating a lot of enthusiasm with his opening address to the team. So here we go excellent segue Jenny because my first. Burning Question. For you is you know. So we spent the whole off season. When we were talking about football, I think talking a lot about the NFC south in particular The saints at least in my opinion have the most complete roster and football The Tampa Bay buccaneers are have Tom Brady and rob Gronkowski and Shawn McCoy. They have old Kinda aging all star team which is very kind of attractive right now and fund the Falcons. Are always the falcons I think they're going to be competitive. They have a great head coach and a good quarterback and a good wide receiver. But the fact that like Matt Rule signed on to be head coach of the panthers that feels like a million years ago. Right? I mean I it's it's almost like that happened in nineteen ninety eight. This is a great topic connor because. You're right. It's not something that we've talked a lot about and I think part of the reason is because everything has been virtual because team offseason programs were not the way. They normally would where there would be a lot of conversation about what music's playing at practice and what the you know what the schedule is like, and you know what the locker rooms are like and. All those kinds of things were were lost. So I think four new coaches be have less of a sense of what things are actually going to look like under their watch. So I think it was natural that they kind of receded to the back burner especially as the headlines were, how will there be a season? What will the players Union and the League agree to etc etc.. Yes. So let's say there is a season. Let's say things start the way that they do I've been keeping up with you know. Some of the conference calls that they've been doing just out of interest I. think that people who know me know that I'm head coach obsessive. That's kind of the thing that if I had to pigeon hole myself into one niche of covering football, it's I love head coaching decision making hiring head coaches, firing of head coaches, head coach philosophy, all that kind of stuff. So keeping tabs on on Matt rule a little bit and just kinda how everything's been going but Jenny, I ask you. What would is sort of a baseline expectation and do you think that either Matt rules newness freshness is going to be an advantage or because of the historic times that ran almost like an unseen disadvantage like is this is this going to be good like some people are assuming or historically back? Well. I think every new head coach this year has a tougher road because you're trying to institute your new culture, your new system new everything across the board and there's less. Of An acclimation period I mean you can do zoom meetings all you want but guys aren't in the building you're not together. You might not get like that one on one time in the hallway if you pass somebody or somebody's popping into your office I, think it's a lot harder to manufacture meaningful interactions with your players So I I do think there`ll Be a distinct advantage I. mean how much that this advantaged gives me how much that translates to results on the field is hard because a lot of the head coaches maybe expectations are of low I mean I think that's especially true. For Rule in the panthers right I mean they're kind of industry building. They're they're starting a new era extreme roster turnover rights. You know the cornerstones that we've always associated with the panthers, Cam Newton leuke cly, or at least over the past several years Greg Olsen, they're all gone. So it's kind of a fresh start. So I do think the fact that expectations are low are a good thing because there's a little bit more time for them So am interested to see how their approach takes because this is the common question of projecting college coaches to the NFL and so a lot of Matt rules comments have reminded me of a little bit of the Jim Harbaugh enthusiasm unknown to mankind type of thing. Like the comment last week about they he wanted he was telling his team that eight is the new six for social distancing. So if six feet is the guideline for social distance, they were going to do it at eight feet to really. Go all in on that. It sounded a little bit like the one hundred and ten percent which I always hated as a young swimmer growing up because it was like I mean, what do you mean I'm trying my best anyway so Expectations are low. So I don't think there's going to be a lot of angst in in Carolina Connor. I think he has a really long contract. He is a long time to rebuild and I think people are just kind of saying, Hey, would this is the you know this is the start of new chapter and let's give it a little time to see how it works how. You made such a good point about just building that organic relationship with the players and here's something that I'm going to be fascinated to hear about when were and maybe this is a year from now because to be honest, we're not gonNA have these intimate conversations with players like we used to at the Walker a time where you can kinda pull them aside You know we've done our best this off season over the phone you know connecting with people but even then I mean things are Kinda different especially if you've met them before and you can't you can't. Get in front of them, but how coaches are bridging that divide digitally and you know so many guys will say that their relationship with their coach came down to a moment where maybe the coach sees them in the in the lunchroom was I, how's your your house your wife I know she just had a baby or you know is your dad doing okay or you know any of these like little things where you know they would know you know prove to them that they know something about them on on a personal level you know and I think that You can't do that I mean in in our coaches going to try to make up for that by texting players what you know are they going to be checking in on them you know saying, Hey, I saw you posted this on instagram. Was it did you guys have a good vacation or something like that? I don't know in what is the effort like then to to build that organic relationship when you can't get in front of a guy and and have that little aside. Yeah. texting I guess you know. People communicate these days I mean I feel like we have a group Chat Connor Jonathan Jones, our old SL colleague. Again, I feel like I'm very in touch with you guys because we in that group chat all day every workday essentially. So I mean I guess you can build that, but it's a little bit different when it's coach to player. So. Yeah. and. Even when you can be together under the syllabi as they are now right i. mean everyone's kind of trying to keep their distance from people too. So it's I know like how you feel connor, but anytime I have like an interaction like. Friends with a guy named Eugene who works in my building but it's just kind of awkward to stand six feet apart in the lobby and like you're kind of shouting across the space, you know to hear each other. So it's definitely not. It's not a great time for relationship building I I you know I feel like this is going to be a common theme that season of like what is it like for new coach is trying to establish these kinds of relationships? Yeah. We went to the open the playground in our. Community the other day, and we went down in a friend of mine was there with someone who had lived there for a while that I hadn't met You know kind of another Dad, my age, and so he's like Oh this is so and so and then we both looked at each other and he said he just the first thing he said was, how do you WanNa do this right? 'cause we have our masks on one elbow bump are we going to be elbow bump guys that we just GonNa WanNa, you know how how do you WanNa start this relationship off and so it was. Funny know and you diffuse it a little bit with humor but it's it's for real I mean you know you don't know how you know how to interact. You don't know what anybody's individual comfort level is and you should always respect that individual comfort level especially when it comes to to something like this. So Yeah No, I'm I'm going to be fascinated I mean I think that in the end mount rule will be a good coach in the NFL but men it's it's just such a such a weird time in in maybe that's part of the advantage to is that you know Your players kind of know what to expect from another coach. You know how they're gonNA react in certain situations and maybe this is a unique chance for him as the season goes on to surprise his players to really show them part of his personnel I don't know but that I Dunno I think that's that that definitely warranted A. Burning Question. All Right, I will head into number two then connor. All right. So this is. Do I do it as well like do I generate the sound effects can? Try Okay. Even partners. Okay. Yeah. So here's my first burning question. It feels cool. Doesn't it? It does feel kind of on a game show here. So I'm reading off my little card connor can Patrick Mahomes be even better in twenty twenty? Jenny the answer is he can be somewhere between what he was last year and that. Phenomenal fifty touchdown season but I don't think I. Don't statistically. I. Don't think it gets better than that is then the okay. Right in I think the reason is like everything evens out right? No matter how. Like. The way that we're talking about Patrick mahomes now is almost like super human but I do think that we've had elements of a mahomes Ian Player before and I think we will after at some point now is uniquely talented for sure in his he superb. Absolutely. But I just think that the NFL such an adaptive league that I think it's. It's going to be hard for someone to dominate physically for that long and. Fifty touchdowns a lot. You know fifty plus touchdowns as lot I mean I guess Peyton Manning did it in Denver but I, think he had a little bit of an element of surprise there with a slightly variant offense, a better running game maybe better wide receivers than he had for a little while and everything seemed new and fresh and the division might have not been as good. I, don't know I. Mean there could be a lot of reasons there. But I think that the AFC their division is getting better steadily I think the the conference is getting better steadily and I don't know. I think that defenses I mean even though it's been a lapse of an offseason. have spent this whole time figuring out how to stop specifically someone like him yeah. Well, I guess aside from statistics because last year was kind of weird. He missed two games with the KNEECAP injury and you know he had a slightly different. Journey than we thought he might that second year. But ultimately, at the end of the season, probably came out the best he'd been because he he used some of that time to addresses mechanics and reset a little bit and he also made the comment. On Lebron, show that he started learning defense learning how to read defenses the second half of the year. So I guess the question would be like if there are areas of Mahomes as game that he can still improve on what do you think those might be it's interesting I mean. One of the things you heard people say about Patrick, mahomes after his first year in that kind of echoes. What he said on the Lebron thing was wait until he actually gets a command on the little things like his protections like the first year. Apparently, you know that that was just something that he was not comfortable with at all you know and maybe to some degree then yeah I mean reading defenses adjusting to all that kind of stuff I mean if you can grow to a level where You know defenses are backpedaling to be afraid of all the things that you can do almost like urine control. I think a few quarterbacks over their time in the NFL have gotten to that level of dominance and you understand all the things that could possibly happen That's a really powerful place to be and we'll see if he can get there I think that's the ultimate thing right for Andy Reid now now that he's won the Super Bowl is how do you now make your quarterback the quarterback in NFL history you know I mean that's gotta be the goal because you have all the tools you've won a super bowl in your second year third year together you have all this time. Now in front of you theoretically you have a gigantic advantage, this season going into this season. So I, you know I'm interested to see how far they can push it. You know. Yeah I remember before last season and then again. At the time when he was kind of out. With the injury. He's kind of refreshed on some of these mechanics things but the idea of he has so much natural power. He can throw the ball out of the stadium and when he worked with his private quarterbacks, coach is working with Jeff and Jake Christianson las off season, and basically the idea to not just be a thrower but to be a passer and to figure out how to kind of use your efficient movement to make sure that that that power is harnessed the right way and when I remember they said one of the flaws that they've worked on if he has flaws was his head movement and so he would his head shifted too far forward. So he relied to more. Too. Much on his throwing arm and then he would drive passes downward locking his front legs so and then he fixed that habit immediately. So I'm always curious like quarterbacks like the little fine tuning of their mechanics. So that was something before last season and I'm interested to see like what he came out of this season doing because he was his mechanics were definitely more refined obviously even with the injury like it didn't throw him off because he essentially an some ways the the knee injury last year kind of. Reset as mechanics in away because he couldn't rely too much. On that leg and I think it kind of of the things he worked on he had to draw on those after that happened. So, I'm curious to see like what mechanically tweaks and then also how the scheme continued to grow because Andy redesigned this before Patrick Mahomes even got there and it's they've steadily built on it and Now as he continues to, you know broaden his knowledge base of what other defenses are doing and how teams are responding to the kinds of things they were doing you know adding new counter moves to that. So I think what is exciting it's not just the physical ability. It's also that these got this mental capacity in tandem with his head coach to continue like growing the scheme and making it more adaptive and Andy. Reid always been an innovative coach so I feel like the next chapter of that will be interesting to. one of the things that I thought was fascinating about Mahomes in particular in there their couple of quarterbacks in the NFL that you can say, this about is the gift that their coaches can give them to be able to. Spend their first year in relative comfort in the pocket right and whether that something that you do schematically whether you already have a very good run game because it's just such an uphill climb for quarterbacks who you know for one reason or another get fixated on pressure or a coverage that they solve or throw that they can't make and you can see it. You know you can see the dividing line between the quarterbacks who come in comfortable who already have this sort of baseline ability to diagnose things to see through pressure and Mahomes I. Mean that that's what you see meanest just it's. A guy who goes out there only thinking successfully almost because that's what he's th that's what he's experienced on the field and you could throw a couple other guys in there like that who had these experiences Kinda Taylor for them by good coaches and by general managers who have built good rosters in what an advantage that is, and just you know 'cause when you're already building on on that level of comfort and proficiency, the sky's the limit where if you're somebody who's got a, you know think about Sam Darnold right now or Mitch Trubisky or any of these guys that are you know? Maybe the Aero isn't pointing up on them yet how much work that has left to be done and you know you're already you're entering your third season or your fourth season everybody's wondering what's going to happen and it's just it's a monumentally different situation. Yeah. No I agree I think that's really well said and I'm ready for our next Next. Sound Effects Connor. Burning Question. I didn't. You say you could have said. It was your turn you already I've been abusing it. Okay I was thinking you could have at the end, just stick in there at the end. So This is one that I have spent a lot of time this off season thinking about for some reason or another you know sometimes you just on a walk and You know the world is in havoc and what comes into your mind are the browns going to be good this year finally you know And I find myself. You know that's just that's where my head goes sometimes then as a head coach obsessive, I've said this in the past I am immediately inclined every time a new head coach is hired to think that they are genius and that they're going to solve all of the NFL's problems I'm a sucker for that introductory press conference A lot. Of Times for National Media. That's our first one on one access to these guys and they always have a plan you know in their bright eyed and bushy tailed and I sort of always digest that energy and think Oh this guy's got it. He's going to figure it all out. Kevin Stefanski very high and Kevin Stefanski was very excited about what he did In Minnesota the analytical approach, the way that he broke down and work with Kirk cousins on some of the comfortability stuff. I. Think the two tight end sets are going to be dynamite if David joke who combine here in Cleveland but I you know that's me I grew up a browns fan shook that when I got a professional job, but that's lingering somewhere. The back of your mind also obsessed with new head coaches I. Think the browns are going to be good. Do you think the browns are going to be good this year? This is such a connor or question. We came up with the idea for the show, which was connors idea. Let's each come up with to burning questions and I should have known. This would be one of your to. I'm just not sure I think that all the points you made about Savannah are really good ones like I feel like he's a great fit for this job. You know I, think you want someone younger who can go into Cleveland and is super excited for the opportunity and maybe can block out some of all of the the long history and the baggage of the organization I feel like that's a really good fit I feel like he'll be a good pairing. With Baker and as you described, the offense really makes a lot of sense multiple tight ends full back what we saw in Minnesota I feel like will translate really wild to Cleveland and you know the personnel that they've tried to build out there I just am always so skeptical when quarterback goes through so many system changes and coach changes early in his career. So this is Mayfield fourth head coach while third system county interim, but right so i. You know I think always messes with a quarterbacks development even if you're aware of it, you know it's like how your mind works even aware that your mind made do X. Y., and Z, it still has impacts on you right and I feel like even if you're aware of the fact that. Okay, this can be a challenge for quarterbacks, but we're not going to we're going to make it work I I feel like they're just a lot of tangible ways where you just have a hard time settling into a groove and every new quarterbacks coach that comment comes in has different suggestions for your fundamentals. I mean I remember that with Mark Sanchez felt like you know and and it wasn't the same turnover but just different different people have different ideas of what your fundamental should look like what you're timing should be what's being asked of you. So those would be my reasons for skepticism But I will say that Mayfield has you know he's a guy that is I would say. Finds motivation and a lot of sources and. Could Channel. What's happened the last few years for kind of mess of things and you know he experienced rookie season where he did really well, and then a sophomore season where he kinda took a step back and he sort of I think has seen a little bit of you know the good and the bad, and perhaps we'll use that to channel it into this this new season and you know. You know perhaps like the the humility of of a season like last year's we'll. We'll be a motivating force. As we're talking. My Brown's positively slowly sapping as severe accordionist about two thirty in the afternoon on Monday and Odell Beckham interview came out that he said he doesn't think that we should have a season and among the. Among the hot you know the first the lead quote in the story from the Wall Street Journal is I'm actually on a boat right now Odell Beckham says, as soon as we hop off the phone here, I'm jumping in the water and getting on a Jetski. So Jetski. Yeah. So Odell back on a boat and then maybe perhaps doubling down by hopping on the Jet Ski So you know I don't know you know this is Rendering, Dicey territory. When I used to work for the NFL we. We were allowed to and you know I wasn't sure how to handle it at the time and didn't really get back into it but you know you were allowed to be a fan because you worked for the League right and you know, I, used to be on the around the NFL podcast and everyone knows that. Dan is a huge jets fan and mark is a huge browns fan and and Greg is a patriots fan and and you talked about that and so I was at the hall of fame game and that year and the browns drafted Johnny Manziel unsecure know what it's. This is a fun time. This is a fun time and I'm going to get Going to get my wife a t shirt that says, that's my man del. Wow. Yeah, and so just. So regrettable on like a million different levels and I'm thinking like, thank God I didn't. Experience this again, with the Odell Beckham thing because your first inclination is to run and get the. In your so excited but I don't think this is I think this is going to be a forgettable forgettable chapter in browns history, and then he'll. He'll sign what the Patriots when he's thirty and have seventy one touchdowns with Trevor Lawrence. Yeah. Yeah well. Who knows Connor knows Cam Newton. Cam Newton but yeah that that's so you know it's almost like when I have a I like to sneak Brown's questions onto the show specifically for Jenny because it's like Jenny is infinitely smarter than I am and so if I can it's almost like I'm I, just have like slightly better access than everyone listening to the show and I can jenny what do you think of the browns? Texture like what do you think's going on with the browns and it was just a work thing you know specifically work you know. But anyway, WHAT'S OUR I'm GonNa let you say all right now onto our forth burning question. Really. It's exciting. Every time you hear it is it's so good. It's really fun. We should really should do sound effects every week if it's not this one, we'll do something else or shelby our producer. I know the worst part is that Chelsea has to then listen to every word that we say. Waiting for the burning question Q, he can't like block us out so We apologise. Maybe we won't do sound effects, but it has been fun this week. All right. Mine is how good can rookies be in twenty twenty? It's a great question and. You know I'm thinking about the Bengals and Joe Borough in particular you know they're the one team that really doesn't seem to have that backup plan in. The dolphins I think are going to play Ryan Fitzpatrick for a while the chargers As you have said all along I think planned on playing tyrod Taylor for a while Yeah. While some of these plans, you know best laid plans. You know all that stuff always happens I think those are two situations specifically where they wanted those quarterbacks to sit for a little while. Cincinnati does not have that luxury I think that they are planning on grinding it out that first year and getting borough the reps and hoping that everything worked out but. I don't know I mean. In. It's that trajectory that we've talked about right where near quarterback and you don't start on that ascent like wh what happens to your career you know and and you know, are you doomed almost immediately? You know you have to dig yourself out of this whole. Its Gargantuan challenge not only for borough. But for Zach Taylor who didn't have a wonderful first season as a head coach you know and and I, don't think we saw his offensive identity come out but you pinball across the board I mean you know running backs they're gonNA have to learn how to read different You know blocking schemes perhaps that they've ever seen in their entire. Lives. For you know defensive linemen might be getting double team for the first time and since high school you know I mean all this different stuff that that everyone's going through it's it's really going to be stunning and everyone says that you know all without this everything's going to be out of control and I don't think that this necessarily borne itself out in the NBA. The NBA's been hyper high-scoring but I do think that the NFL is either going to be like we're going to have these weird sixty point games a lot or we're GONNA have a lot of really bad like ten seven games too I. Think where teams are just really sorta struggling to get out of the mud. Yeah. You always hear in training camp that the defense is ahead of the offense because on defense you know you have assignments but on offense all eleven players have to be in sync to make a plate work and so early in camp, it's as the players are getting in. Thank. Usually it's the defense it's dominating practices I feel like that could be the the tenor of the season at least early on I was thinking a lot about what? It would be like to be a rookie this year I mean obviously, we're all adjusting to very different year and this pandemic than we expected and there certainly some very serious challenges and health concerns and family issues that take precedence. But if you're starting your career something that you've always dreamed about, you certainly did not ma- imagine starting at under these circumstances Joe Borough did not imagine that his first nfl start will come in an empty stadium. With health protocols in place with concerns in the back of your head if the other team will you know you're coming into contact with could infect each other? So it's kind of a weird thing. It'll be interesting to see how like you reference Connor career trajectories are affected at all because of this and Just the the opportunity to get to be less prepared to be have less reps going into this year. I don't know You know it's. I lost my train of thought for a second there connor but Yeah I was just I don't know I don't know what to expect from any of these rookies you when you were in high school and I don't know if this ever happened at a at your high school, but like we would have these times where you know some like a transient family would like come through maybe it was like military related or we had like a missionary focus college near our hometown. So there were a lot of families that would be there for like a year and then they. Would move somewhere else and like all of a sudden, this great athlete would just merge at a practice one day and all the coaches are like, how do we figure this out? You Know How do we incorporate this person? Then it's almost like that where you're learn you're you're at a new high school, you're meeting all these new people for the first time you're learning the sport. From. A fundamental level for the first time and what that must be like you know how eye opening that is you know I'm sure that all of our listeners have watched the seminal NBC US Sports Series, Friday, Night Lights, the adaptation of the movie and in Season Two and Matt Saracens starts to struggle there was Voodoo tatum whose family was displaced by hurricane. Katrina. He comes in he gets Matt Saracen gets benched. Food who tatum incredibly talented can throw the ball that linked to the football field and but did he fit in with the team you know and and was ready to be part of a team so I don't know these. These are all the questions that coaches are gonNA have to answered soft season I. Really Miss our Friday movie pod Connor. You should watch Friday night lights that would be like a good t weren't rock, right? Yeah. I actually watched part of one of the first seasons I. Think I have the DVD set I think. So a friend gave it to me at some point. So But. Yeah. That just made me think of our football movies that we used to watch on Fridays or record for a Friday podcast that was a fun summer activity spent in two thousand nineteen when we could gather any small conference room with some beverages and. Have a little relaxing afternoon without large concerns looming over our head you're not though. We've side pod gang because I did get Jenny onboard with a new show and Jonathan Jones our former colleague who works at CBS Jenny sister my wife former editor Bet Marston. We have we have a powerhouse chat on Wednesdays now during lifetime's married at first sight and let me tell you what it we're cooking with gasoline right now I mean this is You know we're we`re We're figuring out this social distance thing like we. I think we've got it. I have to say that my sister was really a spark and not first week breakout star the breakout star. She didn't know who everybody on the Texas chain was. She didn't have everybody's number she had she knew who you and me were but she didn't know exactly which number correspondent to which other person so I will have to instructor. But despite that she was bringing lots of new information about some of the contestants that she had looked up and had lots of insightful commentary. She's a seasoned expert of murder sight like Connor so could really provide that that depth of knowledge analysis. Yeah I would say to that you know, hey, if any of our listeners by the way you know we would love to do another mailbag episode soon. So weakside pod at gmail.com that's weakside pod at g mail dot com you can ask us about married at first sight. You can ask us about football you can ask us about. I. Don't know books or reading during social distancing. I just finished my. Fifth Book since Kovic started this is not like a brag but sounded a little bit like it but know your personality I knew better. No. Yeah. In some of them are very bad but I felt the need to get through them. And so I just my other hall from Amazon started derived today. Own So. Hard. That was really good shelby well, done show I. enjoyed that. Yeah He. But you know we got another hall books like if you're reading anything good drop us a line and on weakside Potty Mel. Dot Com. You know you can ask us about any of that stuff too I mean you know we're we're around and we might need we're gonNA have some time it l.. I don't think we're going to get rolling anytime soon here or some vegetable recipes that was our attorney podcasts idea for today, and you know Connor and I have always had this kind of backup plan that you know if our careers went south we could. START A. Vegetarian or Vegan what did we decide or just vegetable base talk based talk vegetable talk called. New Jersey. Neither us have any experience in the restaurant business. So this is a wildly. Unlikely. IDEA. But you know it's always been kind of our backup plans if you have any vegetable based Ideas that we keep in our back pocket for. Or was it roots? Okay for route. Okay. Wanted to make sure that I'm. Just kinda bouncing that too because I actually was thinking about this the other day break texted you during a particularly I don't know what was what was going on but I was like Oh man like maybe I will need a backup plan at some point and there was a vacant restaurant space near my house. I remember this I passed it not too long ago and I don't know why. But like I think I was on a run or something and I was like Oh you know what? Like if we're going to do the the vegetarian correal like we have to think about alternative Tortilla like a vegetable base Tortilla that is gluten free and like I don't know why. But like I started my mind started kind of going off that way. So anyway, if you have any of that too like if there's a way to make beat Tortilla I like that you know we really we cover all of our basis here before we start talking to investors. I've had almond flour tortillas but that presents an issue for people. If they have a tree nut allergy that's another option they good. Oh neither pretty good. They're pretty good. Yeah. I prefer corn tortillas but but yeah, it was it was interesting to try. So yeah. Well, thank you for joining us today for our burning questions. And we will be back later on this week with a another podcast. The QB weakside podcast is me Jenny rentis and Connor, or we are produced by Shelby Royston s is executive producer podcasts. Scott Brody then eagles director of editorial projects and product. Mark Marievic is a MARANISS executive director of the 'EM. QB. 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Sonder on Over Here B****

Brandi Glanville Unfiltered

59:23 min | 1 year ago

Sonder on Over Here B****

"STRUT media. I watched Tamraz on watch. What happens live last night and she said something about she's like you should Kelly dot golic engaged aged? She's my friend. She's probably reading Brandy Glanville's but drinking and tweeting and drinking and like like I was nice to her and took it out. It's still right ice scared Ryan. He didn't video this. We'll talk about this out yoga from Straw Walk Media This brand gland bill welcome to the already welcomes Brandy Glanville unfiltered altered. I'm sitting here with my friend in the very talented actor broadcaster director extraordinaire will sterling Hello Hi. It's good to be back on the POD here. I know it's been a long time. It has yeah and unfortunately today. I'm hurt you are injured he. You've cracked a rib as as you've told me ah asked you to tell the story but now my loud shot just this I want to hear the story right is here too just so we all now now. If you're having a threesome knowledge a trial where does that mean to Dick's horns tumor. I thought you might like bunk beds upper and lower not too decks to Dick's. Oh okay feel bad made you laugh but said funny like torture. I've a heating pad on my ribcage currently currently in in the studio traveling with it plugged in my vibrator actual menagerie hope they were need never mind. We're here to talk about your new instrument TV. Series Uber Ryan wants to hear about your craft. They really need to hear about what happened. You can tell the closeness version okay. It's really lame and I'm never going on a fancy boat again. Fancy was his boat fancy fancy. It was like I'm on the boat bit best about that song in your head because I thought I was super. Cool China injured yeah. I was not cool at all. How many people are on the boat? Oh Hi let's say probably ten people okay and Seattle like two stories and there's like you know it's really interesting. He's like people can live on it. There's like a bedroom when all that was there. A staff and everything was at one of those oh I was basically running up and down the ladder to get everyone everyone everything they wanted but at one point I had to go pee and they went downstairs and we hit rough water but we are all in the bow before that what and I think that's what it's at the back of the boat or the front. Look No Boat Language Stern starboard port soon so I wonder what I hear on below deck otherwise I have learned from Bravo. That's that's my life should be on a shirt yeah. That'd be great without copyrighting here Bravo. You can buy it from me. All I know I learned on Bravo. That's great. We'll we'll be was we'll sell that I would be really sad if that was true so that Ah I think it is the truth for some people though yeah I mean not all they learned well obviously basic motor skills to the bathroom yeah potty training right right. Don't make me laugh. so yeah we water. I flew across the room into the staircase and then we went went to we're back to the deck. Mark The wind out of you I imagine you raw and then you're just laying on the ground from and that's exactly what happened more than a minute the way more than a minute but then it got really rocky sorry just stayed there was hurt number one and it was just we had to turn around and go back in super choppy but it's not a great story but that is so you flew across the room making it sound way more excited than dramatizes. It was a giant so jaws meg Meg Leshan Yeah Jason State and then we had she might gotTa hate you both present them. You did O president of boat nowhere now. What can we're not a fucking boat anymore? brought a sand dollar or something actual president. I didn't bring it and I'm wondering if I'M GONNA given to you okay. We'll stop talking. I got you guys the super large wine glasses ooh perfect so we can watch what you told me that it fit the whole bottle of wine. I watched the clip that you and I was like you're like it's not that big I was I was unsure but it did it and then you stole something with room. You saw the clip I watched my own Youtube Brian. I bet now let's have not we haven't kissed or anything like that but we've events like the back of a van like on a trip and we had a Rhody we had to share it. We traded some politely drunk. friend kisses when we went out that one time did which with all three of US yeah. We got real fucked up guys. We all bonded have any recollection of that happens. I've got lots of recollection. I don't have any okay we'll mush case. Okay my kids okay. Thank God I was like this is creeping meow no but then I got naked and you guys right. What do you remember over that either? I don't either. I'm blocking it out. Obviously no second sitting here with my two girlfriends just Gavin we're just talk. That's right. That's so we do. I can't do any coffee brand the united sermon that we see each other more than we see most people if we really do. I think that that's probably true yeah. He's like many girlfriends see Ryan and Alex and Mike More than I see most people yeah I see them at least three or four times. A week is like family I really do you. I feel like I'm neglecting my other friends but I like boxing him around and she's good practice on Hand Matt Ryan. It's part of the video I like it well. What are we going to do? Sit and talk to myself. You GotTa talk to somebody. I didn't realize that was going to be what happened on camera yeah. It looks better than me starting to diet while you are thinner than me so I mean it's very thin. You're thin. Where does the fender there's slender man scary with the big head sorry but the thin man a great classic Hollywood picture starring William Powell and Myrna Loy wait not only only you would know Marie series some your listeners probably now speaking of movies do we should talk about your instrument? TV what a great segue talking about our listeners to know about why you you throughout the show will constantly be saying. Don't make me laugh. Don't exactly have context. This is wells back doc. It's weird it were also in a studio. I only ever did it at your house will and besides before besides rare in a studio you know what I mean but once his came to Strut his house yeah usually is we have. This is two in a row now in the studio. I just couldn't leave my house. I remember I the anxious I really couldn't leave so now. I'm getting better non getting worse because of my rib but you guys are like you guys are like a little team dynamic. Borough trio is our Queen Quintuple Quinton scifis of our Quad Quad. You're right quadrant ball club. Could it de uh-huh quadruple. Do that was an accent do us to quadruple do ask for hair so that would be level. Do not bad at math hair. Oh my goodness that there's four of you and you all well you act in some of them. Yes you direct some of them so the show is called Saunder Instagram web series which is that it's shot formatted edited and posted all uniquely designed for consumption via instagram so all of our continent's obvious stories are I g TV all of our posts are and they're all the behind the scenes all the set that photo of the headshots everything lives on instagram so it's like a complete locate shot flows people live on instagram exactly this should have a lot of success in fact cray really shed people are constantly on their phone yeah including my children my phone time me to crack at the bottom. My screeners brand new phone yesterday walking to my car and I realized there's a tiny crack onscreen. I don't know how it got there. I don't know I think there's Ryan it wasn't I didn't drop out. I didn't do anything it was fine one minute and then it was cracked tracked. Maybe it was the Heat Boon. you know. There's a new iphone out though with this Oh yeah yeah he does. He's one of those the galaxy note plus plus our our group for the for the project. We have to talk within. What's up that Oh of course oh yeah text messages ruined everything but it's better because you could send a lot more media that way yeah what's up better? I mean like it is here. Please remember what's up for my friends like for group chats and stuff because it's way over there and I don't have to look at it. It's not like it's not like for me right now. It's like I know it's there when you use what's up. That's how you that's how you treat it. I guesses you're saying yeah 'cause it's from my friends at aren't here in Europe. I don't care that much about them because I can't see what am I going to say a group text difference even they do have a friend in one of our what's up chats in the UK right now and she response to way out of sync. Fuck why once you start it's I don't know how to turn off the Ding on what's turned off all audio me. I get okay yeah. I get too many now. I don't I can't have being on my tax I can't have I just have my phone ring but I don't know how to turn off the what's updating when that the album obvious show you change there will be an absence of sound and I won't know what to do with that won't be able to be annoyed when a youtube video. I tried the move the boom to the other side of the room. She's like no. This is two different. I don't like I really don't I and he doesn't remember rigs. Obviously you guys are suiting constantly so he's just an have a good memory role in that boom goes to a lot of different places that may not it has been a lot of places seen a lot of locations. It has my bedroom. That's great with this is gross is going to aggressive the vice because we filmed eight episodes thus far. Is this going up this Friday after missiles GONNA so when people are listening in on Friday ardglass yeah the last two episodes were shooting this weekend. And how long are that says each two to three minutes. The last episode is probably the longest probably be around four is pretty much. Everyone's attention span. That's the idea okay so are they. Is it like a series where you see the same characters. Explain to me what we're watching. Chink Saunder Saunder is the feeling that people that you pass on the street or even chance encounters things like that you don't just see like a an an object in your space you recognize that every person around you has their own unique set of beliefs and fears and pains and Traumas and backstories and everything and are living there independent lives CBS regardless of your existence within oh you're like a sandrine by like Sandra like walking. Somebody else said that is how that spelled. Ah I say you and because if you're doing that walk and you're looking at all these different people cylinder while you saunter that's right and so and so that's that's the premise of the show so some of the characters we do get crossovers but not in major ways. It's meant to sort of be kind kind of passive so when you watch all ten episodes you'll see every episode every character at least shows up within two episodes some more some less so one of our characters the the most that we have is in four episodes and who is that her name's Asia she the you know I'm in three. I'm probably the second in Asia's great I use is really great great where she didn't her big scene on Sundays. Her already made a little kid. Throw out. Oh my gosh an accident. It was there to save the day I don't know her scene is so it's sort of analyzing like the homeless population of Los Angeles but a lot of people who are quote unquote Hamas aren't really homeless by choice L. Unless well not even bat though like a lot of young people to like just travel. That's how they travel the country like they take tents and then they live in areas for stretches of time and then they go up to Oregon or they go kind of all over the place yeah that would suck me. I don't count and in yeah you don't like camping. I was forgotten my whole. Oh really clamping was going to say I love. I love camping and camping. I don't like either one unlike eisenhower the showers bathrooms about I really paid my dues. When was the last time you did it? I don't do it. I really I thank thank God teenager. Oh Yeah for sure all through high school. It was a nightmare. It was a whole family thing always my dad's the hidden swatting us from the fritzy whoever he could get beat the shit out of us. We couldn't stop for food. They just hell it can stop for food. We'll have to go into the campground. We're a very like late at night to get a spot. Somebody didn't show up for exactly the same so you know. I'm not doing it. That's that's comes to Banco this scene. Will this urban camping. Okay you like living in a tent under freeway overpasses. I L right on the river right. There's a Sepulveda's under passers a ton of so that's the Aisha's one of the characters in that and she plays a homeless person we are one of the travelers as were calling her yeah turn a friend and so we will have ten episodes in total in Sweden and you're not gonNa tell your big scene because you don't want what then alive Oh over well. The sort of the the idea that story is sort of one of the friends is ready to kind of give up this life and the other one is now so it's sort of like a friend break-up okay. I thought you meant like about life. Not like oh no no not a suicide as as a traveler yes she would like to now how planned routes and live in normal life that makes that could happen so that'll be that episode hey people let's talk about one of my favorite subjects and the whole world shoes I love them. 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I was swath enough to watch you guys action. Brand came to set on less less Saturday Saturday. I have no idea it just shot drinking and tweeting right yeah episode three drunk while I was we were tip save so let's keep the party going. I knew you would be there. I'm like it's GonNa be a party as we were driving over. Mike who's our cinematographer was like brand is coming and I was like okay and then I was like what's going to happen like like we have to work so I was like. Are you just going to hang out or whatever but it turns out it was a godsend yes that you were present. First of all describe the scene because the scene is beautiful so the scene is releasing a up these two kids ever since I was little I've always wanted to do like a live action peanuts and away so I wrote the scene to be like what's the word amulet of I don't know much better off the peanuts and so he knows me and so oh it's such a sweet little innocent seen about one of these kids making a big choice. I won't spoil too much because I want. You're listening to watch the show and they were great. It was very that's a very taxing seen for a child to do. That's all I will. I will say just emotionally as well as your mom. You guys made him. Throw up. Well okay. I it was an accident. Oh Man I have it recorded. I think that in real life if I was going to do that saying I was his age I probably would throw up because that is something that it causes so much anxiety in yeah sure I would leave it in. We rehearsed it A lot a couple of days before and they really nailed it and so when we showed up to shoot on they were great. I mean performance wise but he unfortunately he has a tree nut allergy which we didn't know in eight eight something that cashes in it and immediately got very nauseous and so we were worried actually reschedule like what should we do and you sort of magic pill is able to get rid of this allergy nausea. I don't I know what it's called Ryan walking around meeting. Everybody excited yes she had probably had two bottles of water into the MOMS and yeah and she gets to Bradley the ashes. You get these two guys and they want to know if I wanted to Mayo and I said now. What does that mean see? You guys are now. I know now it's cocaine oh but I had some coke and vodka with them and I smoked a little bit. Just we'd just did take some of the weed I didn't. I didn't WANNA say no. I thought it was rude. We were taking her one point you and the two of them walking away and as a friend who's walking away with Sherman towards man and some other guy and she didn't have a phone. Maybe don't disappear with these things strange drunk strangers in park in the true true crime podcast. You could have been dead a OH. We're really nice they weren't they were just talking to the bathroom. They were really sweet. not just saying from our perspective. We had no idea what was going on. We decided so you walking away with them outside yeah. That's probably not a good idea. Thank you for looking to save probably could've killed you both but I'm having to your will. He's so no no I'm. I'm not built for function. I'm just bit built for looks. I'm a lover not a fighter so you guys got. You guys got a little country Moammar Rolling in sync. Some you guys on your periods too yeah. You're getting them so yes what what happened. Kim was mom had an Epi pen mater and so my son has end side so I have to have APP pens all the time we've used them way often and when you use that behind you to the hospital because it you know it's up enough ron and everything it's you just can't not the hospital but the doctor forgave me Protozoan which is a steroid oral steroid that you can take if you feel it coming on okay just if you take it on the onsite can can stop you from having to use EPI pen right and for Mason at works on this every time because it's not the best thing to do and he's not getting the allergies as much anymore so so yeah we went home and got the meds and save the day we and Bradley one half of one because Mason's gigantic context he's little he's too badly ten ten yeah and he was fine yeah. That's I mean there was only one I must take after a couple of times felt so bad if we were like. Should we reschedule and he was like I'm fine good. I'm good like he's that's the toughest kid in the world. The fact that he's like zero nerves serves pukes is like just wipes it off his all right. We got fifteen minutes. Let's do appear. He's going to feel like I feel like that. My speed like something that maybe he does Asia. I'm again by accident because you nuts. It's hard to keep track of that stuff. Sometimes if it's been on a counter or ground up if your allergies like cute enough like anything could yeah I mean I was very impressed by his dedication so we were shooting this at magic hour. So we really you know worth of time that yeah it was crazy so it was it was very helpful that he wanted to keep going but we all said to him repeatedly like if you WanNa stop you can stop. It was not child abuse at all so everyone knows was one hundred percent committed yeah. That's going to be like a big success yeah his little brother. I Wonder Still Oh oh I have voted. I've got to show you this picture of a prescription bottle between my tips so I can't say touching now. We've the pockets exactly we're feeding the ducks but I really so my kids and I used to go to Blah Blah Blah. You have to send it to me pretty. It's very nice pretty until you zoom even on CBS between the tip I didn't know what to do. I didn't their mates Mu brought zone and and where do you put it so it's not nature's pocket well not by nature but no me but no so the kids and I am sorry moving on the kitchen I used to go to Babur apart and this one and we would treat the docks and the geat mostly the geese and which they're assholes. They're they're big two. Oh Yeah and they are not afraid of you. Loud what is fuck young but we are feeding the the cute dachshund just brought me back to like we were just talking. He was fully engaged all his Danja and unlike my children I ever the earp your earbud in and take out but we were just chatting and it was so cute and I just I know it kind of reminded me when the boys are younger and he was just sweet and like -cribe just because I'm in pain mostly you spent the whole shoots all three of those with well. I can't remember his name Bowie Bowie. I can't remember any right barely know your name. I could write them down before. CEO and Spencer was great. He's a little older than Bradley and the both of them. I mean they're both super prepared. New knew their lines off book like anyway. They're both they're both super. Professional knew their lines and it's just like it's funny because when people say like Oh we're gonNA try can be hard like couldn't have been easier well that I know for sure that day I mean I might Jake's two best friends or his bus Daniel and his sister they are both actors and they're I mean they're great kids near great onsite and they're always prepared and they can spell better than me but most people can. We had spelling test once I lost they're really not like they're when they want to to be there and they want to be doing it. Definitely good at it and engaged and you could tell these kids were definitely like a hundred percent into it and you guys do you guys were quiet as mice piece. I didn't have a direction for them either. We're just being quiet so we could shoot thing. We had to be quiet this one. I mean sometimes you have to talk shows like what you what if you don't like to take like start over yeah. What's interesting because like we're we're? We're a team of four using this whole series you know and so it's and we all take different roles each episode that we do you know like I directed one and will will act and that actually the direction will always take my direction really okay. That's something I need to see Eh. I felt like will the little bossy for you. Oh you think so well. I'm bossy with you. So I just feel like wells probably bossy with you. I am been working working together for like on on things and some capacities like since we've met so two thousand seven seven seven or eight other when we met actually was our editing class in film school yeah and Ryan and I both had impressions of each other before we truly met that will like we thought we wouldn't like each other say that he thought that I was like Jesus Freak and Super Branchy and I thought that he was like a punk rock asshole because he had like blue hair and tattoos and bricked up shirts right. Oh Yeah Oh yeah there's a whole side though these are still very much personality wise sweetness. Wise Ryan is exactly doc. Id like soon as I met him. I was like this is like he's the nicest person in the world really it's a nice fit the visual of like what I imagined like he's probably like but the system allows the Tattoo says is like I'm an atheist stereotypes or not I know I know and we ended up against all odds becoming besties yeah we are partners and then yeah you're still partners still partner Mike and Alex Alex is the CO writer we my writing partner and so we're all kind of producing it photographer to Alex did take the picture of you with your yeah. They gave me the right to get the pill correct yeah so Alexander do a lot of writing together and and so he the three of us have sort of been involved in creating this since the beginning like a year ago. Mike is always like our cinematographer Tori Feeding Pat is falling and move it and just I don't have the cover on it so it's just extra is this is this. Is this a good like you're supposed to heat it up up to. I have no idea anything that helps ice was the thing I think that you're right. I just need to be comfortable sure I get it like I'm in the car with the air on full and like the seat heater on full are can't be in the car. Oh my goodness did go down. This is the most it's actually good that we're doing this because I didn't think I could do this number one but I'm not thinking about it as much I think when you don't focus on it it's not as devastating until we make thank you laugh and then I just took four at Odeon Bill. I suppose technically I thought that was the one one of the ones you couldn't and but I have no idea up to eight hundred advil does that thin the blood to is yes. I looked it up and I can. I'm not I'm not going to get don't do it. I'm not going over the so yeah. The kids were amazing. The she looked looked couldn't look any prettier. I can't wait. We'll share of we'll share a picture from China yeah. You're you don't have a significant other right wrong. Oh you do Ryan is she like where the fuck is Ryan Tillotson. I can't say your last name those perfect I loved it. I like to call sends Tilson. Somebody mispronounced it that way and I get so much joy out of it can say James when James was launching podcasts China say Hey Ryan says like Ryan Ryan Tillerson so he also said pit kissed pig pig has so I cut together like a remix of Ryan Tilson at the detail Eh that at my house I know I didn't like we we are putting on. My favorite was the second time he did. He's a grind to consider like the stupid last. What about Johnny Tillotson? Stay read the singer the old singer who I think only really Ryan tell us and no I do. I do know only because he has my last name has found a vinyl at a thrift store or something Taylor. Are you out at a thrift store shopping for records Yohannan not know you at all that whole group of people might. Why do you think they're like my family because all we do is like old people things Ryan? I only do young people things good Ted Lotta drinking do that but don't people do drink drink every time we see each other. We don't generally drink when we we're not drinking water rates but then I was like thirty in the morning yeah. Let's listen on Sunday count on a Sunday. It's fine until you until you're on a boat. Yeah I know yeah and men no but also I wanted to drink wine last night but I thought wine would help not help to inflammation. Wouldn't it make it worse so have you been drinking. Cynthia blood to exit is not nuts long ago my girlfriend. She's like realized that's been one day yesterday too. Yeah right that's too. I haven't even done on that. I can't remember I drink yesterday didn't drink thanks to have at least like a glass of wine or two. That's about so bad in San Diego you you drink with your with my friend. WHO's number two? We learned his life time with James Again. Yeah we did not ruined his life. Just we wrecked him for. Is this idea I mean you guys are GonNa you'll hang out again. I want to have a Straw Hut Christmas party everyone on your podcast we we we went to his house for just because he invited us to this. I brought my best girlfriend who's from San Diego and we hadn't seen each other. We're both Scorpios are both nuts and we are wasted like stupid wasted given to their lap dances and doing right by walks and we just ruled out. James's House is House jus there by himself assets. You Ryan I wasn't there. He wasn't invited invite him so he's leaving damage control. No James Yeah Jayme no J. Her husband was there. I didn't know that and he was drunk to and he's like Oh these they always do to james like email you I heard about it from his assistant okay and then then gossip about yeah yeah and then the next week I went to his house to record and he told me more tell me more it was nuts. What does he say? You can't come back. Is that what he's done exactly in those words no but think about going to somebody. Else's break right from us is all like I think I think it's more like a once a year thing sure but I really did enjoy his peaceful oasis. That's us to come were you guys are both not invited but it's super peaceful and I think that train in Iraq did you bring a speaker. Did you bring Speaker Burgess used to like music and energy energy. I think he invited me to calm down moment and the you bring the booze or did you drink his booze. He had it. I we brought I brought him a gift Okay and but he had twenty bottles of Brazil from some party he had just had his sixtieth birthday so I don't know Trina brought some booze to anyway. I was in San Diego to see him. He was doing this big event at this place and last minute right before we are about to go to the place. He's like actually I don't think we should do this is going to be too personal. I'm doing a bunch of readings and it's just too personal. I don't WanNa record it so you went to San Dago and then yesterday yesterday yeah so my girlfriend's per number. She's married her husband avert very fun people. You just go hang out with my dad. Every that's true you're young. My Dad lives there so he ended up seen him and we drink some beers it was it was good. It was uh I'm sweating because I have this straight on my skin but that's okay but I have coconut oil miskin as well because I was using this radio frequency machine I had on my ribcage to see if that would help the healing because radiofrequency yeah it does it puts energy into it so I read about it this this morning but I just came up with the machine was on the table. I keep looking at gardening to use it. Yeah you got coconut oil underneath the heating pad. I'm just frying away here and smell like a coconut donald trump. That's not true but I don't want to smell like peace. That's true that's seafood. Who'd part coconut oil anyway? Let's take a break please. Do you ever get the sense that you're deiter is just not really working that just kind of masks the smell but doesn't really do anything to combat got it. Yeah I mean for I feel like theater and I first of all know that a Lotta these grants have aluminum and they have been linked to cancer so just they are different in general scares me but I definitely get detached depends on like when a different sense in it feels like a rash sometimes I I want to completely natural but I really didn't think that there was a better alternative because I didn't think that natural deodorants worked all of the talk was that they really don't but then discovered covered hug meteorite by bloom hug me is a natural deodorant. You're probably thinking natural deodorants don't work. That's what I thought but hug me. He's different and you can try it yourself with their satisfaction guaranteed so let me tell you about hug me hug me by bloom is made with probiotics so the the probiotics actually encourage your body to make more good bacteria because we need we need good bacteria and as a result your body produces less bad bacteria and that's what's what causes the B. O. Smell the body odor so if we don't have the bad bacteria because the good bacteria killing it doesn't exist does that make sense I know but it makes awesome ahead and also mainstream antipodes brands contain aluminum which will get absorbed into your bloodstream and has been linked to cancer. I've read a lot about that. Most of the New York Post has rated this the best deodorant ever so. They're saying that we must be right. I'm using it. They're saying do what I do. Do what I say. Hug me by bloom keeps you feeling good feeling fresh and Super Huckabee'll. Just don't hug me on the street if I don't know I'm not joking. 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Not Any of those are from you four know it's fucking as texts. They give you know it's. It's her says miscall. Oc Oh my God I hate hate. I don't hate anything hate telemarketers the worst. I signed up for insurance this morning morning my accident because listen. There's nothing you can do about this but something bad. I have an actual like emergency see accident mysogony turn in June. I just kind of didn't WanNa Cobra as nine hundred dollars a month and it's like I let it go and so I signed up this morning. I said so. If I give you my phone number I'm not gonNA start getting calls right and she said No. I have to accurately take it and I think that's where I get a lot of my random. telemarketer calls from from yeah I they are the most frustrating thing and they start early in the morning. They gotta I'd be like seven o'clock on my Khuda. Fuck is communists who I get. I used to get excited when I saw like phone numbers calling that I didn't know it was a casting director and maybe he was booked apart. Okay so I would always end do exactly now. I never answer it and I do you guys get the voice Miller's where if you check the voice mail like Hey. This is coach Bob. I think I have the right number anyway. I just wanted to follow up on that thing we were talking about. Here's lot really loud in my head. Yes totally well as killing me a little bit. He wasn't earlier. I think got excited and just just him. You're fine turn well down does that. They get turned out turned down. What do I yeah? I don't really put myself out there to get turned on twitter. I mean you have to have a little bit. Expose them. I went out was doing some Danson awesome and I was like Oh. Maybe I'll get closer like this girl and I was like well. Let me just ask the polite way and I was like excuse me. Would you like to dance and she was like I have a boyfriend and I was like Oh okay and then you flash back into not in sixth grade anymore away. It's really like today Tuesday. I'm also her boyfriend was not around so you're saying he shouldn't shouldn't ask people to slow you have to now I guess hop dancing so as I wasn't GonNa bump and grind on the stranger without like a dance off if we don't do that to try to get her like into advance off my stomach so making noise. How do you do a dance off? You dislike try to compete everybody. Return you know okay we impasse or you do a circle and you put the push the other one and you're like wait a minute. Now I got this. I cannot yeah I can dance what not today I wanna see not today. Garcia some really good moves in the Youtube video. That sounds a little weird why so weird I was not dancing. It was just like a Lotta popping yeah top lake with but you had your your tape fingers lobster uh-huh things -iety situation okay speaking of that video though yes have you heard anything from Oh oh so okay. We'll have to tell you okay so we did this. the Latte vote number three video for drinking and tweeting Randy Glanville official guys get up youtube stupid that we have to have official you know I should try to fight to get it is a big blow. Reggie said that official. There's not let it wouldn't let me take it. It's like I don't get it. Slash Randy Glenville doesn't exist but it wouldn't let me take that I used to have slash Bernie Glen Bell YouTube dot com slash Brandi Glanville it. Isn't that what I had before. No you didn't have a unique bureaus royal os just whatever yeah there's a shit if I get nothing but now it at least at least bring Glenville official we're GONNA get. We're GONNA get Slash Printing Louisville yeah anyway we posted the third video posted the third video and those go up on what days it's just a really busy and we just have to do it when we can. Do we listen. That's in the morning. He says we're drunk. Now we the first one we did in the morning and take huge. I think it had uber home from her house. After that one time I got really drunk. Brains wore her bra where I don't make everyone when it comes over. Get drunk at that time you know because I've drank at your house and not get drunk but the last time I got real drunk at your house was when that happened that was I'd like to see this photo. I I think I'm sure it's probably on twitter somewhere because she twitter take it down because the boyfriend got very upset. I don't think it's the big deal if he wants to put on my lunch raise the all. I don't think it's a big deal. It's just very jealous of you in general well. I see that guy. I'm working with will yeah what's crazy is that he had like all the fucking money in the world then I'm a broke fucking whatever whatever just tells you money does not anybody's Jealous Mike Okay. I'll take it. I Guess I've jealousy yes so anyway. we put up the video I decided I wanted on Tamra Barney Howson. Oc I do not know that her name is Bernie. I don't fucking know thought I was so okay because he said grudge and then he said it was lonely she got married. I don't know what it is. We forgot your last name bitch coach so I was saving my twitter war with her for the youtube like thing so I went and like rough off. I think I scared Ryan a little bit because I was so mean yeah she did in this all made the edit no okay the difference prince so so I called them and I think I was a little mean in that and he's like yeah. They didn't really one of my favorite things about Ryan's Ryan will always if you ask his opinion on something he will with no time really just give view an honest answer. I told them I said you should say that before. I asked for it. You can always tell me I don't get offended up and be like listening to me now. No not stop but like after the fact. I think that was a little rough okay because the second I said it he'd obviously already thought of it because he said yes totally. We've got probably five minutes for just go into it was like thirty minutes and I think the final cut that we posted his twenty-five Hobo. It's five minutes of just reckless savage machine a good out. I think it was therapeutic but not live streaming so that's a joy a minute though because last night on watch what happens live she was there in the audience with her husband and Kelly Dod had put on Instagram that she's getting married and she's I should probably fucking reading brandies book drinking and tweeting and drinking joke yeah reading his book drinking and tweeting and drinking the money I know that Uso tour but you know you just gave her bookish out outright. They him idiot got some sales yes but now after that this morning because I watched it this morning because I couldn't watch last night I had to go to sleep on. Even I couldn't sleep because nine at bread. You're talking about Housewives housewife or the heavens so I watched it in this morning in the morning at make sense and yeah then I thought you know what we should fucking left that shut in but I mean she wanted to be in a twitter for the rest of our lives I would still going on the twitter from housewives of what see yeah so yes so the pitch like. Can you believe it. We were so nice. I still stuck on this. This bad joke that she made that makes me think of it doesn't make sense of of Steve Kraus character and anchorman was like where did you get those clothes the toilet store tape saying it drinking tweeting and take that back the shout out. I mean making sacred for next time in case. She decides to go on a ramp curious to hear what she has to say I would i. I haven't looked to see what she said in response to the video if there was one I haven't looked at all but you are going to see her next week right I A- So I I'm told I know I'm going with Kelly to the event so I mean I definitely there. I think that they were all on the same the sheet I got. There's like four of them on and she was on it. So I'm listen. She might she might not show up. It's true or maybe you know you'll be best friends. After this yeah we are houses. It does happen worst enemies one week and then you're best friends the next the next week but let's go talk it out now. I don't like I think she's just two main the people who are asking if she's GonNa throw wine in her face. I was just about this. I'm like I'm debating. I'm GONNA do it. Is that like a felony 'cause. I don't believe it's a felony no liquid. If it was acid that would be well Salani. I mean for sure I I don't know I don't know the lie. Don't think that it's a finalist or a misdemeanor. I think it's just like I mean thing to do. It's gotta be something you economy Sunday yeah. I would think it's something you think you could someone could press charges for you throwing wine and I for some reason I feel like they could ashby like no man white bitch suck it up. Yeah you go buck and wind turning your face. I'm not going to fill out a police report. Those don't give a shit money. Go Dry cleaned. Uh Yeah I really need to my brother's a cop we can ask. We're not talking right now though he's stupid stupid we call them right now we because he won't answer okay but I do love him. I just don't like him. Yes so that is still happening. I thought it was over but then we really posted late decide. How did I felt I felt bad? I was like you know what all right. Let's not who I am not backing mean. I do have it in me to go low but I just don't like to but after put it back again we took out the deleted passively. I guess we'll see what happens after the event bonus episode it's unjust averageness. That's my favorite word right now. It is savage savage straight savage low low. Oh Times do gotta go. 'cause you. GotTa Get up to get down and you gotta get down to get up. took me a second like no you duos This has been a horrible because my rib is telling me you guys are the worst sorry love you both but you're the worst we love. You sounded a little little like too weird weird. We love you know that's GonNa turn down Gremlin Voice. Oh my God branded you think of any to write a Haikou Yeah. It's going to be angry right Asandra Haiku. I will so great. How do I do that okay? I read somewhere in there yeah. That's under jolly soy soap again sought follow Sandra Dunn. I'm not GonNa do that Kuma original hikers you guys do not. I don't even let you see my words that I'm right. It's just very protective of her. 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GSMC SciFi Podcast Episode 278: The Boys Season 2 Episode 7 - Family Ties

GSMC SciFi Podcast

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GSMC SciFi Podcast Episode 278: The Boys Season 2 Episode 7 - Family Ties

"Golden state media concepts side podcast. Together we dive into the world science fiction from episode of star trek star wars to the resident evil. All the science fiction movie from the factory. Marvel or dc media concepts sifi pub. Cats you'll never get science stations the same way again. Thanks for tuning in. Jesus and seaside by podcasts brought to you by the gmc podcast network. I'm your host. Alex as i am recording this a little bit earlier than normal it is currently friday and we are still waiting out the election results. Which is normal. We're all trying something different this year with covid nineteen happening and all of these states that don't normally do as many male and votes are having to figure that out on their own. So we'll have a president and by the time this airs on monday. I mean technically. They're still the sitting president until inauguration day. But it's the not knowing that drives you crazy so hopefully by the time. You're listening to this on monday. We will have a president as of right now. We're going to talk about the boys season. Two episode seven. Interestingly enough there are a lot of heavy political themes in this episode. She said surprising. No one because that's what this show is about. So i did get to watch episodes seven and eight this past week. I pretty much bench them. Right after i finished the last podcast episode on number. Six for you guys so we're going to pick up with seven and. Im stoked to talk you guys about these mirror. Concepts of keep america safe again. How people use political rhetoric and different phrasing to help influence people's decisions and the way that people frame the world around them and we're also going to talk about having a loss of meaning searching for meaning in one's life. And what you do when you feel that you've lost it stick around to the end and we will talk about where we find. Lamplight her as well in this brand new world where he's kind of working with the good guys but first. Let's start with that. Alex jones style commentary at the beginning of the show. There is essentially a montage at the beginning of this episode. that i thought was masterfully. Done and it shows a man who lives in his mom's basement this white dude with a beard. He's living in his mom's basement and he's listening to alex jones style commentaries every day instead of music in this montage. It's just what sounds like. Alex jones and then also fox news in the background. And you can hear this inundation of propaganda news and also the gradual language shifts that storm front in particular starts taking. We knew that they were intentionally trying to change the language and mold it around their agenda earlier in the season when they were talking about the difference between supervillain and super terrorist and having these groups come in and meet about it these marketing and advertising focus groups. That's lowered but i was looking for focus. Groups even been apart of some of those when i was in college but they essentially get a random group of people together or people who match their target demographics and ask them open ended questions about how the language use or the product or the packaging makes somebody feel and then they base their target for their language or their product. And take it from there. They do that. Accordingly so re saw from that that they were changing the language slightly making sure that they pay attention to terms like super terrorists or super villain and it reminds me of hillary clinton's use of the term superpredators when she was the first lady back in nineteen ninety six and was referencing. The nineteen ninety four crime bill. So the type of that we use really does matter so i know in the media. Allot people argue back and forth about the importance of labels and what we call different things and that can be anything from identity and using pronouns that people prefer to going through and choosing words for marketing like super predator. But in this case it's also a political tool. It's not just something that shampoo companies might do to make sure they're developing new product. That people will like people. Also do this for the type of language you use. When i was in college. I took linguistic anthropology and one of our assignments with to analyze the type of language that was used for any product of our choosing and it was very illuminating as i watched the other students present their topics on there absolutely random interest because they he said we can do it about anything so long as it had a linguistic anthropology and product naming approach and it was wild that across all of these different products and varied interests that they still had that intentional type of marketing. Going on. we've mostly seen it in the boys in the form of having these pr groups. There's been a big focus on things. Like acknowledge apologize action but this is also a really important theme that they've been under weaving through here and this montage really brings everything together of what they were saying. There's a scene in this one and a number eight that really bring that home so they start using language like make america safe again and they're not even be very thinly veiled with these metaphors they're being super transparent about it at this point even more so in your face than the boys usually is and this montage mostly consists of storm front and homeland or speaking to the people but primarily storm front. And they're going around and doing these shows together. Essentially these public appearances as a couple representing patriotic americans and saying things like keep america safe again and letting folks know that anyone who comes over here who is foreign could be a super terrorist that all these super terrorists are not created here on american soil. No those are super heroes super villains. Come from there. And so that's making people. Think of foreigners king super terrorists. It's causing them to have a bad association with it just like when a lot of folks use the term refugee now in almost a derogatory way. And that's very similar to the agenda that they seem to be going for here in the boys. Indeed it is art imitating life. So we're talking about people saying things like make america safe again versus make america great again and conflicting foreigners with threats whether that be as villains and predators or as being here to take your jobs or get things they you don't have access to. It's the same principles and that's why that kind of ideology can be dangerous it radicalized people and works them up. And that's what we see happen with the sky. Living at home with his mom where he starts getting paranoid about people who don't look like him up to the point that he shoots a convenience store clerk who's a man of color because he thinks of him as being a foreigner and therefore a threat and in this instance they're thinking of him as being a super terrorist or a super villain but it's no different than when people in the us with think that people from overseas who were of middle eastern descent were terrorist just because they were here or when we were at war with japan in world war two and we put people into concentration camps because they were japanese and we were afraid they were spies. This is american history. America has never been safe for everyone just as it's never been great for everyone. We also see lighter interviewing with the equivalent of aoc alexandria ocasio. Cortez in malary's home while the boys are getting cleaned up because pretty much once again they are. You know covered in gore. and nick. Like not everyone but huey in particular. He's a little squishy In regards to their whole party. Huey needs to put more points in two. I don't know he needs more armor. Hugh we need something to help him. Be less squishy. I don't know how he can get more hit points. Maybe he just has toughened up. I don't know maybe he'll be like daniel jackson from stargate s one and he'll start out all geeky and then. Just get really buff by the end. Probably not and. I'm okay with that too but poor huey i feel bad for him he just. He has the lowest hp literally anyone on her team. He's our agent moulder. He's on a quest. He just steadily gets his butt kicked. I picked moulder. Instead of captain kirk for that because really i mean captain kirk is also kind of a sex symbol in some ways and huey is just kind of awkward and super sweet though and his heart is pretty much in the right place and in that way. I think that he is a lot like moulder. He's closer to m- older than he really is. To captain kirk although captain kirk is generally the obvious. Go to when you're a hero. Who get your butt handed to you a lot but really the most surprising part of this is that we see lamp lighter in grace. Malary's house and lamp. Lider has been a big unseen evil for a lot of the show up until now and now that we do see him in the same room as mallory. It is a little bit jarring. But for mallory lamplight or being willing to testify for congress is a fair trade off for allowing him to live despite what he's done specifically to her. So far mallory. She's still keeping the big picture agenda in mind. She's the one who brought everyone together to try to take down. Bought not just the seven but vaud itself and figure out what they're up to so she's standing by that right now and even though she is probably seething in struggling not to kill him right now it turns out that frenchy made a good argument for her and she's willing to let him live to testify so that tells us a lot about malary's restraint as a person and also her ability to put aside her own feelings when it comes to thinking about other people and the greater good and the greater justice as well we also see any meeting her mom in a coffee shop to hash things out in episode six. We saw the storm front was kind of pushing for her mom to hash things out with anne and we don't specifically know entirely why we just know that storm front was really messing with her but his mom hits her up and we see your meet her in this coffee shop to start hashing out and reveals. They annie's really so mad at her mom because anne's faith was so closely tied to her superpowers. And that's because her mom taught her that her powers were bestowed upon her by god. She thought that she was blessed. So this is not just finding out her. Mom has lied to her. It's a crisis of faith in everything she's ever been everything she's ever believed and on top of that. Her experience with fought has been super negative and she says you know what we do means nothing. It's all for money and so. She's crushed spiritually. Just all around. She's realized that everything she's ever believed in her life everything she's ever worked for has all been ally or at best facade and so her mom says honey. You're so upset. Just come away with me for a while. i already cleared it with bought. And unfortunately she really has already cleared it with ashley and right at that point black noir find them despite the fact that starlight removed her tracker in the last episode. I don't remember if i mentioned that part or not but that was a really gory scene. That was also a lot of fun because you know any can heal back really quickly but frenchy was also disturbed by the tool. He had to use to get through her body. And i think it was like some kind of dream or something like a diamond tipped dreamt tool that he was using to try to slice. Open her body. Because you know they're pretty much bulletproof so this was very difficult for him to get all the way into her body to get it out so there was a lot of waiting and nothing happening and then all of a sudden he's like splashed through into her neck and shoulder area but they managed to pull out that tracker but unfortunately since her mom told her that she's already talked vaatainen. Cleared it with them for her to come away with them. Black noir has found them. Her mom lead them straight to her. So that's a problem and it ends up in being a a pretty brutal fight. but ultimately they're definitely taken. I don't know anything much about blackmar really. I don't know if any of y'all do. I haven't read the comics yet. Because i'm really enjoying where the shows taking it and i don't wanna mess with what i know is going to happen. It's very rare for me to watch something that was originally a comic and it be on television and have not already read the comic. So i'm kind of enjoying this for what it is right now but i will definitely be reading garth. Innocence work on this sometime in the future. We're gonna go on a quick break and when we come back. We're going to catch up with billy starlight and lamp lighter stay tuned to find out what movies to go. See and check out the gmc movie podcast. It's your ticket to the latest movies whether it's a new blockbuster event romantic comedy or action flick. This show has got it all covered. They talk some what to go. See now don't bother. What's hot on netflix. And everything in between that's g. Podcast dot com. Backslash movie dash podcast. When it's all about the movies it has to be this new show. Don't forget to like them on facebook and follow them on twitter visit. Gs mc podcast dot com for more info. Just don't know come back to the break. We were talking about radicalization prompted by intentional gradual language changes and also how annie's having a crisis of faith and everything she's believed in right win blackmore kidnaps her and her mother so this episode is largely about family. It's about grace malary's family and billy's family and anne's family. A lot of the boys is about found family but we're learning more about their individual families who they are outside of each other and so we're going to pick up with billy's mom billy's mom calls and says that she's in town in new york and tells him that his father's dead so while billy told his aunt last time that he had no interest in talking to his parents or seeing them because his mother's come all the way across the pond to see him and his father is dead. Billy decides to go and meet with her and when he does he finds out that his father is actually not dead but rather his mom has lied to him and that his father is just out on the balcony at the hotel and when billy sees him he threatens to kill him if he takes a step closer to him but he does grant his father two minutes to talk so his dad tries to reminisce about taking him to a cricket game but billy cuts him short and pretty much says you know you beat the crap out of us as a kid or kids him and his brother lenny. And i don't wanna hear it. I was happy about the cricket games because one of the few times you weren't like beating the crap out of us so we can see that. Billy had a rough childhood and that helps inform us about how he became the way he became but also about how important becca is for his soul and mediating the rougher parts of him but at the point when billy stabbed says that he didn't have a chance to say goodbye to his son. Lenny billy blames his father for that death but his dad says linney was too soft and so we learned that. Billy's dad beat the crap out of both them for years. And that eventually lenny. Committed suicide and billy's dad accuses billy of being the person who abandoned lenny. And that's the point where billy absolutely loses it and almost strangles his father to death and he seems pretty justified in in my opinion. His dad is unapologetic about any of this and is still blaming the victims for everything. That's happened so billy is absolutely fed up and he leaves after that point. His mother is tried for reconciliation. And billy is just not having it. He doesn't care what his dad's dying in. Why should he. The guy beat the crap out of him and his brother to the point that his brother kills himself. And you can see. The billy had a soft spot for lenny and that huey a lot like lenny. As they've outright said in many ways 'em perhaps. That's why billy bothers to apologize to huey after he hits him really hard knocks him to the ground and tells him that he'll kill him if he ever comes between him and becca again but he also understands. We're billy's coming from in that perspective. And so i think that in a way it still makes. Billy feel seen and huey understands where he's coming from so even though the physical violence isn't really necessary or o k between friends in their fictional relationship. This is something that works for them and it's interesting how they're exploring that dynamic through these other with his dad. So we learn more about huey learning a little bit. More about what lenny experienced and that tells us about. Why butcher has such a soft spot for huey in the meantime though starlight is waking up in a dark green lit box and she can't get enough energy to really use her powers. Sir remember we've seen in previous episodes that she's literally drawing upon energy from light sources or from energy sources like the car. They were drawing from the battery and stuff in order to cauterize wounds end. So they're keeping her in an area that doesn't really have enough energy for her to wheeled her powers so she can't blasts through the door or anything because she can't tap into the energy it's kind of like depriving superman of the sun for i guess a crazy longtime. I don't know how long you'd have to keep superman down for that to be honest. But they're not really using kryptonite on her to weaken her but the green light did look really interesting in that aspect to me. Remember the reasons. Superman has powers on earth. But the people on krypton didn't really have them is because on krypton. I think there's some was read. Write and ours is yellow and so the yellow sun as the light. That's really strengthening superman. And what's allowing him to have these powers or activating these powers inside of him so there's some interesting parallels there and i thought it was interesting. They chose the color green. Because when you look at light properties and weather green or red light has more energy you find that. Green is kind of right in the middle. It's not even the lowest amount of energy that they could have given to her right so uv light as at the lower end of that wavelength spectrum but the shorter the wavelength. The more energy that they carry so violent has a lot of energy and right. But then we think about roy. G biv and the green lantern corps the lantern corps general and see read on the far of that. So wouldn't they be putting her in a room with red light. Maybe rather than green. If she's just drawing it from the energy if she was able to draw it from a car then i would imagine it would be more of the energy component than literally the light. But i'm not quite sure. So i'm going to have to look into that. Some more to see why they would have may be selected green for the limited amount of light in there is it to draw some type of correlation between her and superman. Or what exactly is going on there. It's not quite making sense with the lantern corps or the wavelengths but maybe she gets her powers from a specific wavelength maybe she's limited by the frequency or the wavelengths and anything above the threshold of blue perhaps is going to be too low of a frequency and too long of a wavelength. I'm not entirely sure. Maybe green was a random choice. But i like to think. They selected it for a reason. And i can't wait to find out whether that was just artistic in nature or whether there are some concrete boundaries to her powers based on the light spectrum meanwhile we see the lamp. Lighter is spending what he believes to be his last few hours watching soup parody porn. He firmly believes that he is going to die at the hearing that someone from bought is going to execute him so he isn't really that interested in doing anything else and he tells hugh as much like what else would you have me do right now. Miles will do this. But he also explains his background to huey wallaby sit there on the couch and he uncomfortably allows him to watch all this parody porn and we find out that lamp lighter little house on fire at age four and accidentally burnt the whole house down and that his dad was so proud of him for having done that. And you can see that. That has really messed with him. As a person and this whole concept of his life has him feeling like the cold in the homeland lander parody porno that they are watching and he also reveals a bit of himself to lamp lighter and that he says he watched his dad stagnate after his mom was gone and huey thought that he'd found his purpose in that though and he says that that makes him a cock more than anything and attempt to cheer lamp lighter but lampeter tells him that he's worse than that. He's a cook fluffer so he's trying to make him feel better but lamp. Lender is still lamp lighter and is being a douche about that but we can't really take continuing to watch this parody porn with him anymore so he flips the channel and finds the televised press conference rally that storm front and home lander or and the porn has just gone too far for hueys tastes so he settles on this and when they're watching it they see that anne has been taken by bought and lamp lighter casually says they probably have her in forty two d and we find out. That's the tower. Prison at vaughn. So he asks him to help him sneak into save her and lamp lighter agrees to do that to no longer be the cook. It is a true pep talk in the style. That only the boys can really get away with their really nailing. Their particular style and things are still unexpected but also hilarious in the outcomes. They just talk like bros. And i kinda love that about them. It's it's very funny and different from a lot of other superheroes conversations so when we talk about storm fry and homeland or being on television though they are essentially a public white power couple now. So they're up there. Talking about how america used to be an using derogatory terms like snowflakes and s j ws. And they're using those to make. It seem that people who care about justice are weak or june that they're naive and therefore somewhat stupid in this approach that their pursuit of liberty and justice for all and all really meaning all is foolish and useless so by talking about it in a derogatory way and in a derisive way they don't actually have to come out and say any of those things. It's implied with the connotations in the word choices that they use and also in their tone but they also outright say things like has there ever been any one in history more persecuted for trying to protect their own so that's a rallying cry for people who are making an us against them. Statement day are creating this dichotomy of you know you're either with us or you're against us you're with us or you're with them and it's creating further divisiveness just like completing foreigners with being super villains or villains or terrorists in general whether that's in the show or in the life that this art is imitating so they're holding these rallies and they're using this as a rallying cry for more compound the and more soups. So home lander and storm front are wanting to make more soups and get more compound v. Now that the cat is out of the bag about compound the creating soups to begin with. So they can stoke those concerns about immigration by continuing to conflate emigrants with super terrorist and using this absolutist language and they publicly decry starlight as being a mole. And let the audience know. She's been apprehended. So they build up to that reveal so that they can really embody her as being this. S j w and turning people against folks who pursue social justice with starlight being their figurehead. And so now. They've really riled people up and gotten them to move over to their side of it. So before stars light has been a really upstanding member of the seven for the entire time. She's been there. She's been super real with folks with her talk at believe expo and she tests really well with people but also at the end of the day. People are just getting angry. They're hearing what they want to hear from storm front and home lander and so they are becoming more radicalized and near just believing this newcomer even though these other folks have shown them who they are before but like storm front said before. You don't need all of these people to love you. You only need five million people super angry and now we're really seeing what she meant when she said that starlight was going to be super useful for her starlight is now the symbol of this threat to as certain sacked of american people. She is an ally to people who are disenfranchised. And that's not something. That white nationalist really want so. This is really two birds one stone for storm front. She gets a takedown starlight primary opposition and also gets to use her as a well known symbol of justice to more her gross radicalized. White nationalist agenda around and to now have a symbol that people can look at and make this concept less abstract and more concrete. Imprisoning starlight is showing white nationalist that the world that they desire can be achieved and that it's theirs for the taking if only they'll reach out and that's very similar to how donald trump has vilnai's a lot of people over the years from immigrants to political opponents and sometimes political opponents who are immigrants. We're going to go on a quick break and when we come back. We're going to talk about storm fronts. Philosophy that common enemy rouses the base. Stay tuned tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts. No listen close and here this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. 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Do bring me a lot of giggles so storm front homeland or are trying to do this or are succeeding in an area where donald trump has not been able to but they're trying to rally the base and that's really what she's doing by incarcerating starlight. She has put s. J ws and also immigrants in this light of being terrorists or being terrorist sympathizers and she outright says a common enemy rouses the base. So if you think back on american history we can see that. That has happened a lot over the years. Think about everyone's reactions post nine. Eleven and how america came together as a country to hate people from the middle east. That doesn't necessarily mean that this is a good thing but she is right and that a common enemy will rouse the base and the fact is she's already radicalized people to do things like shoot the convenience store clerk that we saw at the very beginning of the episode and we also see that storm front is looking kind of nostalgic when she sees a baby and she starts talking about her daughter a little bit so homeland decides to bring storm front to meet back and ryan which is bad news bears. So beca and ryan are playing outside with legos. Kind of adorable and homeland apologizes to ryan. Saying you know. Hey buddy. I went too far last time and i won't ever do that again. And then he introduces storm front as his girlfriend so this is echoing that pr theme that. We've seen a lot in particular this season of acknowledgment apology. An action slash redirection. So he's you know saying hey. I went too far last time. I won't do that again. Acknowledgement apology and they're going. Hey this is my girlfriend and that is then redirection for it. So he says we'll be round more and he wants them to be a family but he doesn't specify who he wants to be a family. And so i'm really starting to feel like becca. Life might be in danger because they may feel that now that he has storm front in his life. He can piece together the perfect family. He's gonna patchwork quilt his way into the family that he never had. And this might be the push that becca really needs to seek. Billy's hope and to get him to know ryan so that we can get that plotline to converge. Meanwhile poor elena is really upset about the video that she saw of may and homeland or on the flight that went down and homeland her telling may they ended leave everyone behind because they didn't want bad press from having saved only a few people and letting everyone else die. So dead men tell. No tales and elena is really upset about it. May've is too you can tell she's distraught in video but elena is still new to this. That wasn't the first terrible thing that homeland ever made. Maeve do so. Mavis learned gradually how to live with these things. But elena hasn't this is the first that she's really finding out that superheroes are depraved and more villainous than they are heroes says she sells may go outta town her sisters for a while to process the realizations of the horrors that may has lived through and the atrocity. She's been forced to commit even if she knows that may've didn't really have much choice because she feared for her life. She was coerced into doing those things. Just like starlight was coerced into sexual assault by the deep. At the very beginning there are some strong themes of coercion in the show. Y'all even in places of power. Particularly when wielded against women and elena says she just needs some time but may is really upset and she flips the table like hardcore. Jesus in the temple flipped table and may feels like she's being punished for revealing the real her. Because elaine has asked to see this part of her all along and elena does genuinely apologize. She's is distraught about this as mavis but in a different way and she almost looks at maeve with pity in her eyes. Like she's hurt that someone she loves has had to go through this and to do these things and she probably also feels some guilt from being angry at maeve for so many years for staying closed off. It's very different for her. And seeing that it really was for her own protection. And that may've wasn't kidding about that at any point she wasn't even overstating it if anything she may have been understating it. This really results in ashley showing up to vault room at eventually. And finding her in bed with some rando and elena gone and maeve is just gone. Full hedonistic maeve. She's just vaping and hanging with this guy and tells her that has gone and ashley's really upset about this she's like oh no our pr campaign. They don't wanna bisexual. They wanna lesbian. And all this other stuff and maeve is just out of fs to give. Y'all and she tells ashley to be a human being for once in her life. And we actually do see ashley soften and she also seems to genuinely apologize before she leaves samedan getting a lot of genuine apologies right now. A lot of apologising going on. But that doesn't necessarily make what she's going through any easier. There is a lot happening in this episode. Like most of the episodes of this season and we see a couple of visits to joan up the doctor who was responsible for hollander. So mallory and 'em go together to jona to talk about sage grove and to try to get him to testify in congress but they can't get him tired or talk to them or testify and jona outright tells mallory that she's the last person who should ask him for that specific favor seeing as she lost her whole family and he has a daughter she ends up agreeing with jona and outside. She tells m that he should also just leave with his family. The family's the most important thing and that she will even arrange for passage for him and his family to go to nicaragua and escape all of this that he should cherish the time that he has with them. M m's kind of stunned but he's also not willing to take her up on that until after they've achieved their goal kimiko has also come back over to the light side after her brief foray into being a mercenary. And she's helping frenchie watch over the afc characters house victoria newman's house and they bond over watching with her daughter and they talk a little bit about how frenching kimiko both used to do that with their moms and frenchy says that there's a saying he's heard and that's that you die twice once when you stop breathing and again when someone utters your name for the last time. And he says he'd like to learn how to communicate with kimiko so she can tell him about her family and say their names to keep them alive in that way and so she starts teaching him her personal method of sign language. It super adorable. You guys i loved it but we also get to see a train. Gifting the deep a goldfish. So that's weird but it's an apology for being mean to him in the past it's so strange gift Considering the deep can talk to fish so it's kind of like he just gave him a friend and car serrated in a little tiny water box in my opinion but it is what it is. I suppose the deep seems to really like the gift and is excited. He's like hey he knows my name and they seem to put their previous beef behind them. We also see garon visionics character coming by to say. He has a meeting with mr edgar. The next week and garamba as the head of the church says the eagle the archer claims. The program failed him and now he's toxic figure that no one is allowed to communicate with anymore and the deep decides to issue or shun his old friend and a train who is very new to the church starts feeling really uneasy and it's very similar to a lot of different religious groups or spiritual groups that have these roles. You see shunning in groups like the amish you also see it in the church of scientology which is mostly what this is meant to mirror but also in colts when i've come across in my actual wife shunning is really big in colt circles weather. It's scientology or christian any type if you are not with the group you are against the group and you cannot voice any dissatisfaction with them and if you see this early enough you can really recognize that sometimes as it causing an uneasy feeling in the pit of your stomach and that's what's going on with a train. This interaction is the first one. That's really seemed off for him and he is now pretty skeptical and indeed his guts right. It turns out that eagle. The archer was essentially excommunicated from the church because he refused to denounce. I think it was his family. There was someone that he cared about that he refused to denounce and they decided he was quote toxic figure unquote and would no longer associate with him. The people in the church are not even able to associate with him privately. That is against all of the rules. They don't want that outsider perspective or a negative perspective influencing them at all. We're going to go on a quick break and when we come back. We're going to wrap up this episode with ryan's motion capture lego movies as well as billy's owned visit to jona and the outcome of lamp lighter and huey breaking into dot state. You tv has changed over time. Streaming has been come the new norm. That's why golden state media concepts television. Podcast dives headfirst to the world of cord cutting wants to be on the lube of. What's hot and netflix. Or if it's not a preference what about who we've got you covered. Join us as we fill the blind and talk about movies to street and what show. You should be vigilant. This is golden state media concepts television. Podcast well or this braced we were talking about. How made is coping swith elena needing some space to work through realizing that her superhero girlfriend has had to commit atrocities over the years. We also have a train being skeptical about the church now that they've asked them to shun people and kimiko and frenchy ding and starting to learn how to communicate more effectively together. Now we're going to pick up with ryan so as we discussed earlier. Storm front was reminiscing about her granddaughter. I believe is who it was and how you know her granddaughters super old now and that makes her really sad and she misses babies so home lander wants to share his child with her and takes her to go see ryan and becca and ryan is super proud to show his motion capture lego movies to homeland and storm front and the women seem proud both becca and storm front genuinely seem kinda proud of him but homeland or has to absolutely fake it and then they find out that you know he's in movies too and ryan's never heard of this before he's not seen the suit movies becca doesn't want him to know about those but it turns out that homeland or has been in movies including brightest day and darkest night so just like green lantern that one gave me a good guffaw won't lie to you so we have that going on there's that little bit of a joke in there but then storm front starts undermining bekker's authority with roles for ryan's life and it's very forceful very early on. She's playing her hand really early. And bekker's really uncomfortable with this so beca demands to speak to homeland or outside. And they have a very frank discussion and it seems that home under genuinely doesn't want his son to be raised the way that he was because homeland or knows that he's messed up as a person and he knows that it will mess ryan up. He knows how he feels on the inside and he doesn't want his kid to feel that same way so beca agrees that the one thing they have in common is they both want. What's best for ryan and she begs homeland or to let her keep ryan there and he acquiesces to that. While that's going on. Billy is paying his own visit to jona so mallory an m were not able to get anything out of jona. Got a promise to testify and not even any real words about homeland or out. But billy is a bit different than both of them so he goes in there and starts talking to joanna about home lander and jona reveals that when homeland her was five to six years old. He was very sweet little boy and he was very big into the old american concepts of you know like davy crockett and roosevelt and being around playing in the forest and the concept of manifest destiny. But that joanna wanted him to be the strongest man in the world and so he started molding him at that age and little homeland didn't even want to be the strongest man in the world. Joan did that for himself for his own scientific creation. He created this monster. And so billy threatens to kill jonas entire family for what he's responsible for doing to billy and bekka unless joan helps him and this hard line approach in jonas age makes him a lot more pliable instead of exploiting that weakness for his daughter. Mallory and m sympathized with it and left. But billy doesn't really have family to protect right now. He's not able to get to his family necessarily. He's a little bit less lose. And he plays hardball so in this conversation though. I think one of the most important points is that billy seems to realize that jona is the one who is fully responsible for homeland or he is ultimately the person who is responsible for homeland lander and much like billy's own relationship with his abusive toxic father. This father figure moulded into who he is today. And that just brings us back around to my assertion that we've discussed in the past that ultimately billy and homeland lander are super different. They're both pretty much lone wolves. They had very difficult childhoods and have lived through some things that other people should never have to. No one should ever have to but it shape them into the people that they are today and hearing that little five to six year old homeland or was sweet and didn't even want to be the person that they made him into gives. Billy some perspective. Don't get me wrong. I'm fairly confident that he still hates homeland or with every bone in his body for him. The reason for it doesn't necessarily give an excuse or anything. For why homeland lender is the way he is but it does him some perspective and helps billy to redirect some of his anger at least temporarily to achieve his goals at the same time lamp lighter and here we are breaking into vaunt and lamp ladders. Prints are still on file somehow. So i suppose they just haven't recognizing the chaos of sage grove that they need to revoke them a storm front hasn't picked up on it yet or anything. So he still in the system and he's able to break in avant so when that happens. Lamp lighter takes huey into the conference room rather than starlight cell. And he's been there involved before a couple times and so he's like. Hey this is. I don't know where the cell is but This is definitely. The conference room was up and went. Potter's like all monotone sad because they were placed his statue with one of starlight and lamp lider strangely says that he'd hoped to do this in front of his statue. That's all he had wanted. And then he self emily's yeah. He sent himself on fire so that's probably why they showed us the guy vomiting acid and then getting it on himself earlier so that we can see that they can sometimes harm themselves with their own powers and lamp lighter. Does that right now. To set himself on fire and kill himself and he can't do anything other than stam. Erin just watch in horror. Huey just stays there and watches lamp lighter burn until the sprinklers. Put them out. And then he brutally chops lamp lighters hand off of his body so that he can use his prints to get back out a lot so he spent enough time with billy they. He's picked up how to commit this carnage and how to think forward in these ways. He's failing forward and is still going to try to find forty two d that prison tower in there. He's made it this far. He's been in that secret tunnel system with lamp lydersen. Maybe he can figure it out. I was a little concerned that lamp lighters prince might have been burned off. I don't know how hot lamp lighters fire burns but know he's dead so you know we'll find out when he tries to use it on the wall but while he's doing this. The princess breaks herself out of the detention center. Yes i am talking about. Star wars star late herself breaks out of the detention center herself. Using the power from all the sprinkler alarms going off to below the door only to be confronted and tackled through concrete wall by blackmore. So just as he is strangling her to death. May sneaks up behind him. Tears his mask up and force feeds him and all joy because he has a tree nut allergy and then kicks his epi pen away from him. That made me laugh really hard because it looked really ridiculous to starlight to see may just come up behind him and smash and almond joy in his mouth. What are you doing. And she's like he has a trina allergy. So i'm going to kill him and so that's his vulnerability. Different people have different vulnerabilities. I suppose and that one is blackmore's. It hadn't occurred to me that superheroes might still have allergies. But interestingly enough they do at least in the case of blackmore we don't know much about him but we do know. He has a trina allergy. And it's pretty hilarious. The way that may just kicked his epi pen away from him in order to really take him down considering how awesome he is at fighting so starlight then tries to get made to come with her but may declines. She's not quite ready to do that. And huey is able to use lamp. Lighters severed hand to find where he thought any would be only to find her mom there instead. But they're reunited with anne in the hallways and have a weirdly long moment talking before they realized they need to really go. I don't understand why they spent so long talking Considering all the fire alarms and stuff going on so people were on high alert and sure. Chaos can be a good distraction but only for so long and once they find that. Blackmore is on the ground incapacitated. They're gonna know something's really wrong and probably start checking for a jailbreak. We also see a lot of the branding in this episode is pretty funny. They have the constant fizzy waters being shown and they also have becca pulling a queen. Maeve brave maeve lasagna. Dinner out of the oven and that's part of her new. Lgbt plotline that ashley in them are putting forth in the media and so it really shows us that they are not above exploiting our marketing. Absolutely anything and really again. It's art imitating life. I don't know if you guys have seen all the mcdonald's specials lately from different folks who sang. And i don't even know what all a water them do. Don't recognize all the names on the board. Not that hit. I'm sorry guys but they have had like the jay baldwin burger combo thing and things like that they started putting a lot of skins like that on fortnight and everything for these people and putting their dances up and stuff so they will and monetize in any way possible. And we're seeing that with this brave maeve lasagna too. So when becca goes to pull this out of the oven call ryan for dinner. He doesn't come and so she finds him outside with homeland lander and storm front and it turns out that they've flown him up in shown him the surrounding area. He lives in in that compound and told him that becca had lied to him and now ryan hates her and he leaves with storm front and homeland or they take off up into the air flying. There's nothing becca can do. And becca said you know he needs his mother and storm front assures her as they are about fly off that he'll have a mother so it turns out that homeland or didn't really acquiesce. He just manipulated her and now becca is trapped in that compound and she can't get out to save her son. We get to see another brief reconciliation between billy and his mother in the same coffee shop that anne and her mom were in earlier for their reconciliation. And you see that. His mom misses him and billy seems to genuinely love his mom but he's like look. You decided to stay with him. And that's on you so i don't want any part of that. I don't wanna see him. I don't wanna talk about him or any of that. But i i love you. Essentially is how the conversation goes not quite that open. But i mean he does outranked call his dad the c word and his mom says it right back to him that yeah that is one and i enjoy that scene to. It's very raw and honest and very true to life for some adult conversations about child abuse and domestic violence. That i have been party to in the past. It felt very authentic to me. So this episodes really all about family about homeland or growing up and billy growing up and how eagle. The archer is getting excommunicated because he won't denounce his family and how the church self is supposed to be their new family and now we also have starlight and her mom working on their stuff. Becca and ryan being ripped apart as a family so that homeland or in storm front can create this new creepy. Weird patchwork family by turning ryan against becca and then taking advantage of his anger to go ahead and fly off with him knowing. There's nothing the becca can do. We learn about hueys. Family and lamp lighters family and gray salaries family and jonas family and also victoria newman's family with her daughter and through her frenchie and kimiko's relationships with their mom and cooking with them so ultimately that's really what this episode is all about what constitutes a family. How they come together and how they fall apart and whether or not reconciliation is possible for these characters in different domains. Elena and maeve. I think we'll be able to come back together later but elena just needs a little bit of time. They are in their own way. A family though just as starlight has her family with her mom and with the boys but she also has somewhat of a sisterhood with maeve am really enjoying seeing the development of that may still helps her but may does it on her terms. She's just standing there going. This is what i can offer you. I'll kill blackmore for you or at least incapacitate him. But i'm not leaving to come join your cause right now. Not a joiner. So by the end of the episode. We've explored family extensively. Lamp lighter can no longer testify because he has literally set himself on fire and died in the vodka conference room. Starlight is completely off the grid now with the boys and that congressional hearing is underway. So the aoc character victoria newman puts forward corporate malfeasance and multiple felony charges against vaunt. And we feel that we found our new person to replace lamp lighter for testifying in the form of jona so billy's approach worked best here and they call former. Cso doctor joan of vogel bomb to the stand to testify in this hearing and just as joanna roles in his wheelchair headstart exploding. And it's real red wedding meets. The worst type carnage. It is hard core and heads. Exploding everywhere as mallory tries to help victoria. Newman get out of there before any harm can come to her because she is the one senator or congresswoman who is on their side so everything and truth boys. Fashion goes off of the rails in a truly spectacular fashion. It is a sight to behold. Y'all i hope you've already caught up with it and we will catch up with the ending of it next week when we talk about the boys season. Two episode eight when all the crap hits the fan. 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How the Healthcare System Sabatoages our Self-Care with Christine Koh | Sep 18 Episode 99 (Sarah)

Selfie with Kristen Howerton and Sarah James

56:25 min | 1 year ago

How the Healthcare System Sabatoages our Self-Care with Christine Koh | Sep 18 Episode 99 (Sarah)

"Hey Everyone I'm Sarah James a beauty blogger and self help aficionado and I'm Kristen Howard Tan Psychotherapist and you're listening to Selfie a weekly podcast podcast about two women trying to tackle better self care. We're both you'd be opinion. That self care is important and yet we find it elusive and while we may have all the Info we need. We don't always get there from the the silly to the serious. We are taking a vulnerable yet. Humorous look at body mind and spirit and maybe a touch of the random all my looking at the distractions and defensive listen from caring for ourselves. We should all right. Hey guys well. I am back with Sarah after what feels like a while Sarah I feel like we haven't chatted a while. It feels like forever the deal the deal is recovering from surgery. That took me out for a while. I mean I have been waiting. I haven't even spoken to you because I knew we would talk about today. So I have not heard anything about your surgery. Except for like you know the random little bits you've put here and there on social media so like I wanna hear every every detail. Well First Sarah take you back. Take you back two weeks prior to the surgery. Let's go there two weeks prior to the surgery and you know I had scheduled this and I scheduled it for the second day of school for my children okay which seemed like a good idea. Initially uh-huh then what happened was I was. I've been working on a book right and when you're working on a book and you're kind of in final edits you cut you never no when you're editor is going to get the edits back to you and it's a classic kind of hurry up and wait situation where you're sitting on your hands and then you get the edits back and then it's like these are do now right of course my edits came back and were do that same week and so. I like nose to the grindstone working on these edits knowing him about to have this surgery. That's going to be completely. Take me out for a week or two and then in the middle of that my boyfriend's apartment flooded. I saw that by the way Ah that was horrific. Owes horrible it was and he's eight yeah he lives in a loft and the apartment above his the sprinkler main broke and so it just poured water into his apartment so I mean they've had to rip out all the drywall so he and his girls came and they're staying with us now so he has two kids. I have four so they're six kids in my house plus two foreign exchange students. I'm trying to finish the book. The kids go back to school. The next day I go into surgery just like happened yeah so anyway not optimal not relaxing relaxing but yeah the surgery itself was obviously fine. I was asleep woke up. Oh here I am. Let me let me throwback to in case people have not listened. I had surgery for a deviated Septum and four her enlarge terminates near term answer's. Basically your sinus cavity like the turbines are the filters filtration system in your sinus and mine were really big big and then my deviated Septum so the result was I was always having impacted sinuses side and I do sound really Steffi right now and that's a result of the surgery because it's still swollen. Oh totally totally so I went under I went. Actually I went to cause Medicare which which is a very she. She 'cause medic surgery place in Newport beach but you know I have to say. I felt like they're the best right like they do this it all day every day. I went to Doctor Nicholas. He's the nose got. He's the nose and boobs. Guy boobs yeah right. It's not he did not touch my boobs later. I'm just kidding. I don't think I would do my boobs but you know he's really good at this and so he did tell me as I was like waking up groggy. He was like year deviated. Septum was almost like curled around. It's on itself what he was like. It was like a cup almost like helping around and so he's like you're going to be happy. Oh my gosh yes yeah so surgery went fine but then you come home and you have packing in your nose which did ideal kind of like claustrophobic. I don't know totally I knew that my in recovery would not be pain. It would be anxiety and it was one hundred percent. It was so yes that packing was horrible. I mean it was basically and then taking it was horrible to you. It was basically a Tampon in my nose with with a tampon behind it. That's how much Oh wow like. They took the first piece of packing out and then there was another one and I was like I don't. Where was that in my eyeball like? I don't even understand the geography of this. I Yeah I don't either but to ask so did. The turban like behind is your cheekbones. Yes yes so under your. It's under your eye under your eyes so when they're putting the packing up it's almost like going all the way through your nasal canal into that the area yeah uh-huh that would feel so we're. I am the person that when I got invisible line just putting invisible line liners on my tea like I had I had to rip them out because I felt so that first week like nothing that's nothing I'm the same way and so I and then I came home and then in classic like the they gave me Percocet or whatever and it was just making me nauseous and I hate being nauseous life itself so I was like I'm not taking this again. Dan Like I took one half of one and presumed to throw up and I was like I did a thing on tylenol. Wow Chris did and how out of it was really. That's an anti anxiety. That was really the helper for all of this but yeah it was the first three days I had the packing in and that was just absolute misery like breathing down panic all day every day. no no thanks but then I went in and they took the packing out and it was like Oh oh good so you're feeling better. You sound great. I mean you sound stuffy but I'm just saying you. Your spirits seemed to be high. You sound like you're or doing well. It's I will say so. I'm ten days out. It's off and on. I did hear some people say you know you go back to work and forty five days. I don't think you could could go back to work for a week and only then if you had a sedentary job like I'm tired. Are you having to heal it. Just the body had to like really shut itself down a little bit totally and your nasal passages they kind of they kind of go nuts after the surgery you know it's like having the worst sinus infection you've ever had. That's what it feels like a God. Just everything's going wire. I'm sure so basically my life. Now consists of meteor gated my sinuses most of my day most of my day okay okay so much fun. I really so glad but I'm not you right now. Just irrigating sinuses yeah yeah and I get to sleep sitting up. which is real hot even do that? I don't even think I I can't I'm such a super. That has been so terrible. I ended up buying. I was trying to figure out like I was thinking about like buying an old recliner or you know wrenching a medical share but I ended up buying just this like triangle pillow from Amazon that was like sixty bucks that just lays yeah yeah I've heard a lot of women using those as they get older just to keep their face from being super puffy or getting like sleep wrinkles and the stuff if you can train yourself to sleep kind of on that incline data the big if because I have to say sleeping on my back I wake up every morning and I'm I'm like my hair looks amazing because usually I sleep on my side and I move around and you know yeah so I see the benefits pits of sleeping propped up on the wedge pillow but I can't do it. I I don't not sleeping well at all. I don't think I could do it either. How long do you have to sleep that way well. You're supposed to sleep that way as long as you can. Of course I'll I do now is get my sinuses and then when I'm not doing that I'm googling recovery videos and of course you are of course you are which also made my own of course. I did a video diary if anyone's interested but you know some people say that you should try to sleep like that for a month. Some people say a week I mean I'm trying to do it as long as I can. Oh and I could not eat at all so yeah 'cause I would imagine it if your nose if you cannot get any oxygen right into your nose and you can only get it through your mouth and then you're eating and something's in your mouth that would also make me feel like like I was choking and dying as well it did it absolutely made me feel like I was choking and then the other thing is because I was intimated like my throat was really Jacka NOCCO. Yeah I end my Ya. My jaw was screwed Sanjay and so they you know they're they're sectioning and everything so I basically basically do you know what have you seen those. They're like their meal. Replacement shakes okay so that's all I ate for like three days which thank God for those and they're not dating tastes pretty decent. They do where they like. Protein shakes kind of fish yes they're. They're actually really great meal replacement. I mean they're like four hundred calories and it's all like you know there's carbs but it's complex carbs and they're tasty but yeah that's pretty much all eight for three days. till like a swallow again. That sounds creepy. I would that would have been hard. I I mean just knowing 'cause I have anxiety health anxiety like do as well that was probably I mean that was a huge mountain that you climbed and I'm. I'm proud of you because that I can imagine that you are very very anxious. During that time just control right I mean you're not in control. I was but I have to say it's funny. I feel really proud of myself for doing I really do. I am so happy I did it. I mean it was a miserable week but I've miserable a lot from and I feel like you know obviously. I don't know the results quite yet. I'm still stuffy but I just feel like if this reduces USA that it was so worth it and my doctor's like it's GonNa be really different for you now. It's got to be different. If you're deviated septum was like literally thoroughly making like almost a circle yeah. It's going to be so much better totally so much about our fun fact. Do you know that I was born without frontal sinuses. What I do not have frontal sinuses would so what happens well nothing really I so so you know everyone has three sets of sinuses right. You'll have the ones behind my cheek bones and the ones that are like the sides of my eyes but the ones that are right above your eyebrows gals those are not there and I did not find that out until a couple of years ago remember when I was having the horrible headaches and my doctor was sending me all over the place and I met with an ent. Eh that didn't MRI my head and when he was explaining everything economies like by the way you are one of the five percent of the population of the world that was born without frontal sinuses is. I'm like what does that mean. Is that nothing really you. Just don't have them but what I found is that when I get sinus trouble the allergies are inflammation or infection or whatever I feel it a lot in my jaw uh-huh and for the longest time I thought that it was a jaw issue but now I'm realizing like when I get a cold. My pain is like definitely in my upper teeth my cheekbones yeah kind of like behind my temples and that's why I think there's more strain on the sinuses since there's not set of three or so in that was neared it. It's so funny. How like so many people I know have deviated Septum? Our bodies are so like broken and frail. You know the money like I have deviated Septum as well. You can't even see there's no hole like when you look up. My holes is completely wheatley clogged by that whatever how it's moved over but for for some reason. I don't know if I've just gotten used to it. It's never really bothered me like I. I just feel like like I can breathe fine yeah. It doesn't allow people yeah yeah so I just I've never like gone down that road just because it hasn't really bothered me but so weird like what the heck with our bodies what the hat. I know like you just think like I mean you can have a tooth route that kill you. I I mean if we didn't have like modern medical science. How many of us would be done with random. Things seriously random things well. I don't know now all of this talk of your of the nasal surgery just making me really WANNA move forward with my with the eyelid yeller well I. I found a doctor that I'm very excited about because she is not only a you know an ophthalmologist eye-surgeon but she's also a plastic surgeon. Yes yes oh. She's like all of the thing 'cause it's just go to plastic surgeons some just to surgeons at all. She's about my age. I've just been so so. Many people have told me about her haven't met with her or anything yet. 'cause I'm still I mean. There's this part of me. That's like I just WanNa make two fifty like I just I felt like fifty. I knew I always knew I'd have to have this surgery just because they are so hooded but they've just in the past year. They've just really. They're really starting waiting to push my I my eyelid. Doubt is don't look like they're open all the way even they are and it's actually one. I one is worse than the other and so you know I I had mentioned previously when I have a friend who's an eye surgeon and we were sitting at our kids basketball practice in she was pulling out the lid and she was like. Oh yeah you are like beyond ready like your total candidate now the something your insurance would cover will. I don't know I think possibly because if it if it affects your vision vision so I mean really I don't is it really affecting my vision. I think I can see okay but so. I don't know it'd be great. If that was a possibility yeah I would love to be able to have that covered but you know of course I'm still nervous from what I've heard from my friend who's is urgent and she is like it is such an the easy surgery. Recovery is so quick they basically take a laser and they just kind of like cut in two you know the area of the upper eyelid eyelid and then just suture it together so you just lose a little bit of that and it it's it's supposed to take like less than a week to recover but I know like coming out of surgery like I'm sure is would be completely swollen shut and like the thought of not being able to open my eyes or it's kind of thing with you with the packet yeah. I know it's like Oh. I really scary yeah. I feel like it. I don't know if I could manage my anxiety well with us. That's what's keeping me from doing it but I know I'm going to have to do it at some point because all I do all day is like raise my eyebrows when I talk to people because it kind of pulls up my eyebrow and you can't tell that I'm doing that because I have bangs but yeah I I need to do it but I don't think I'm going to make it to fifty. I still I mean five years too long. I don't yeah I don't know why the marker of fifty I don't know fifty. I'm old. I don't know maybe go on on the other hand argument I would make for doing it now is because this is how I feel about my deviated. Septum like I wish identity earlier. I mean the younger you are the more more you bounce back you. Yes and there's but there's this part of me. That's like is this really just more like a cosmetic thing. Just kind of Bob I mean is this really. This isn't like affecting my reality of life so much whereas like you can't breathe and you're having science factual time. I just have these droopy eyelids so I kind of I. I like that is complicated for me. I argue with myself about that like do I really need to do this again. I tidy go yeah yeah. I mean I definitely have some things. I don't like about myself that I'm like Oh. Maybe this fixed and then I'm like what are you saying. What's wrong with you right exactly exactly actually but I have been noticing. Just you know honestly like photos lately. it really does it. It's drooping very quickly like I'm losing not Collagen very rapidly now. Seeing I'm really seeing big changes there. Even on the desire droops down over the side side it was funny. I was trying to do this to someone asked me to do a tutorial like a cat eyeliner like a wing you can't you can't even see it. Just completely quickly disappears right then either. I can't help you argue that you need this for your job well L. It would be helpful if people could actually see the eye shadow that I'm putting on I had to say for the record that this is still thing that I notice on you but you know everyone is decided where my bangs down to my last yeah yeah so you you know that's the thing you you so you don't really notice it because my bangs are my bangs telling you it's like. Bo Talks. It's like covering my eyelids there. These things are helping me with a myriad of little aging issues. Oh Dude allies so where banks. Oh we're so help wish but my calix are not not having yeah yeah. I know Oh goodness well. We'll see we'll see what happens with that but we haven't talked forever about our two thumbs up so I'm hoping you've got some good ones as well minor surgery related shocker docker but they're actually actually both of them are things that I discovered as part of my surgery recovery that I hope to keep doing so number one. There's a new kind of Netti pot pot or new to me. At least it's Dr Hana's nasal peer now I've had nettie pots in the past and they've all been like ceramic. You know you actually. Shauwie us like an actual. Netti pot yeah I guess the Neil Med rents that you squeeze the water shoots up yes so I I have that too. I like the Neil Med but there is this news appear. Netti pot actually like better so the Neil Med like you said that's a squirt up your nose and then it kind of comes out out the Naser pure is a Netti Pot but it soft plastics you can squeeze it and it's shaped in such a way. Hey that if you turn it upside down it just sort of like you don't have to like lean your head to the side it just kind of like pours into your nose and out the other side with this like soft. Nice Plastic and anyway I've like I said I've been irrigating my nose like multiple times a day but I really do want to carry this on inhabit habit be when I'm recovered like a daily daily practice that is supposed to help so much with allergies if you do every day it is yeah and so I really like this one. It feels just simple to use. If that makes sense I feel like those the ceramic Netti pot to like feels like they get really dirty inside uh-huh and this one like I just pop it in the Dishwasher so I'm liking that one yeah I might have to look into that because I have the Neil Med one yeah and and it's fine but that was good cue that wants to they're both really good yeah and then the other one is I bought a so I had to be on antibiotics for a week after the surgery that Standard Standard standard practice and I tend to get east infections when I have to antibiotic because the antibiotic kills calls all of the good floral and funk and and whatever floral and Fatah whatever it is in Europe Asia Law so I decided to take this balanced. MD A comprehensive fungal yeast support so it's basically a supplement and I did not get east infection at all good so the whole thing is just is keeping your yeast and fungal overgrowth healthy. You can take it every day so I'm gonNA. Just keep keep that going forward just to keep everything nice down there okay because he is like a lot of people think that it's responsible for all kinds of things now oh yeah and they were all kind of walking around because of our terrible diets yes with an overgrowth of yeast so good times you support talk about some use support okay so I've got to. I've got a I've got. Oh Gosh I have a green beauty hair product. Ya that's so good. I'm telling you right now. I'm telling you right now. Chris Ed discovered it will. I'm sure I will so Josh Rose Brooke when my my favorites based in California. He does the whole skin caroline yes. He's had a hair care line for a while. He does a shampoo and conditioner. I'm going to be honest. The shampoo and conditioner never really worked for me left my hair feeling like it wasn't completely clean but he just came out with this new product. It's called his serum spray. and it's basically an anti frizz like like waves smoothing curl smoothing being hair smoothing. It's also a light heat protectant okay and that is what I've been looking for forever. It's just something I can spray in my hair. After I like the after its towel dried that will make it smooth and like not. I don't want a lot of hold but you know what I'm saying. Dislike gives it a tiny bit of control and is protecting and yet when drying it and then you know consequently curling it with the iron which by the way I hurt myself with my curling iron. This is the way this week Ed. It looks so much like a Hickey I mean it is it is mortifying. It is huge. It's purple. It's right right on that part of your neck that you get a hickey. I mean I was at my niece's birthday party yesterday three different people who I know pretty well who felt obviously obviously comfortable enough to walk over and be like. Is that a Hickey on your neck Mike Bench. I started introducing myself to people that were at the party that I know that's how I ended up hi hi. My Name is Sarah. This is not a hickey. It's a curling iron because he's just mortified high a pin with that on it well I. I should have got another pin. Will the first couple of days. I put a an conceal her over it which worked really well but yesterday it was like all day soccer. I mean I was just like you know in my workout out clothes all day and I had forgotten and you know when the bird starts to scab over it gets darker right and then I tried to like pick it off. Of course I'm like now. I it wasn't ready Kristen. It wasn't ready for the Crimson Red Underneath so now I'm probably going to have a scar picking. I'm sorry I totally went on a tangent there but getting back to the hair spray uh-huh back to the serum spray not my Hickey Neck it. Just it smells really good. It's lightweight. It doesn't make my hair fell dirty. It's just it's heavenly and get ready for this. I actually like the way in my hair looks when I air dry using it. WHOA that is as heavy recommendation yes like I can if I'm in a hurry. Sorry can spray that in and let it air dry in. There's no frizz in my waves. Actually Look Nice never happened before in my life. It's twenty eight dollars lers about not too bad. I would imagine it's GonNa last for a very long time. I love it so if anyone out there is looking for like a light heat protected if you've got wavy hair curly hair. I mean it's so good. It's just WanNa try because as you know thus far the only products that I like in my hair are cancer right the cares product. All the pair ovens all the Perez all the lights. Keep trying keep trying but I know one telling you. This one's worth it and there are a lot of green beauty. Ones are not worth it is worth it so try okay so that's number. One number. Two is okay so you know oh the beauty boxes. I've talked about here and there there's this one box called the box swallow box. Yeah I love. I love the woman who runs this little thing not only does. She do beauty boxes but she does like. I think a book box and maybe a food box bimonthly that means every other month right so there every other month anyway hers are forty nine ninety five and the cool thing which I don't I don't. I don't recommend doing this but you know if she has a really good deal and you really can't afford word to do like an ongoing subscription. You can like get the subscription and sign up and then you have two months. You can cancel got it you. We know so like right. I mean don't recommend this but you know it's just something full yeah me young. Well yeah yeah so this month. It's the October box walks. Actually which can be purchased. Now is my very favorite green beauty brand called African tanic's. I thought it they are the the one who makes the cell recovery serum that I use every single day that I swear to you has completely changed my skin okay so their stuff is ridiculously expensive. Rodney like over the top. I even I hate that. The stuff works because I don't even want to talk about it to people so I'm like well. Oh let's not talk about exactly how much the serum costs. It's insane but there's this one product they make call the La- mask Hydra lift and it's it's a mask ask you can either put it on and sleep with it on overnight. It's clear it's not like a claim or anything or you can put it on and rinse it off. You know fifteen minutes later. I do use it both ways. I love it. It's like the most plumping. It's like it fills in your lines. Your face looks plump like there's no it's. I don't know how to explain it. It's just clear and bright and it looks like you've lost ten years of age. Okay okay. This mask is one hundred eighty dollars. Normally whoa right whoa but it's it's the box while a box for October so you can get this mask for forty ninety five and is it full-sized yeah full-sized size so she's taking she. I think she closes subscriptions on the first of October she of all of September to purchase it then you get it in October when she ships it out and then you know what if you don't WanNa do forty nine ninety five bimonthly monthly just cancel but I'm telling you you need to get this mask. It's it's phenomenal. I want it. I want it actually surprised I'm not subscribe to this. Fox because 'cause you know I love the boxes and and this is a really good yeah her name as Lavar Neha and she's just so lovely and she curates these amazing little experiences variances and but she just she has a good relationship with African Potanin because this isn't the first time she's used that she's done that brand and it's just such a savings and it's like seventy percent off or something. I don't know math one. The math is hard but forty nine ninety five you guys. It's just it's like one of those things that lasts for awhile because the mask you're not using it every day right. You can just put it on like two times a week and it's excellent so do it so. I'll link to it. I'm actually thinking about just making it an actual its own post on our facebook group because I know people blur yeah. Okay okay well so those are my two thumbs up. Today's episode is sponsored by one of her favourite sponsors. Lola Lola is a female mill founded company that offers one hundred percent organic pads liners tampons you can choose from BPA free plastic applicators on the tampons or environmentally friendly not applicator tampons every month. You can customize exactly what you need for your own feminine care. Will it makes it so easy. I have to admit feminine care has been a long term struggle. Go for me. 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Christine is very much like me she kind of came out of a therapy and neuroscience background then wound up as a writer and blogger logger an and has since written a book and now does a podcast called edit your life which is fantastic about kind of minimizing in your life so but what I had Christine on to talk about today what I wanted to talk with her about she and I had gotten into conversation about some of the limits midst of self care when you have insurance constraints and how insurance and self care don't always play nicely together so Christine. Thanks for coming on and talking about this with me yeah. I'm so glad to be here again. Christian and I have a new theory about us is that even though you're blonde Asian that maybe maybe we were separated from birth because we really do have sort of shockingly similar paths. It's really funny. We've we have talked about the so many times. We're like twins. You're not it's so weird life twins who don't look like it happens does it totally. I know what's funny is I. I love love that you and I are talking about this because neither of US really have any authority to talk on this other than life experience but we have life experience in spades bates right and that's what matters yes although actually did you take insurance when you were a therapist no so I was was never actually in clients in that way because I was. I was on an NIH grant. I was in a lab it was it was different so yes so. I haven't seen it from that side. Although my husband is a therapist and I've definitely seen him from from that side I've only lived it from the very painful consumer side to Italy really yeah and it is painful so you know one of the things that we were talking about with a friend is the fact that you know self care is all finding good and we we all went have great self care but when it comes to you know I mean a lot of a lot of self care and a lot of the advice that we get even from the show when we have experts on as you go and get this kind of testing go have your doctor run this test or ghost go see a natural path or go Zia therapist and those those things are not super easy to do for most Americans in a very odd healthcare system yes I agree and ah I often basically anytime I need to get on the phone to talk to anybody related to healthcare. I think to myself okay. I I am somebody who has a PhD and also postgraduate training and I am finding this exhausting to the point of rage and my is bleeding and how is the sort of everyday human being. How are we supposed to tackle this. I mean it feels it feels a little impossible and I sort of cry for all of us it. Just just it just feels so hard. I mean even right now. I'm almost like embarrassed to say it but I have. I am well overdue on a mammogram because we switched insurance Ernst and I have been getting the run around from both the doctor's office and you know the health insurance about whether about where you know whether the place where I was getting my breast care will still be covered on under my new plan and it's shocking to me that this isn't just kind of in the details of my plan but it's not yeah yeah everything's hard everything is hard and you know it's interesting because I did take insurance when I was a therapist and there were many times that I felt that the forums and the things that were asked us to do were intentionally difficult like this weird subterfuge so that we would just give up asking for Reimbursement and I'm here to help peak buying their curtains. There are many therapists who actually do that. They we'll just give up. They'll take the copay like maybe your maybe your session should have been one hundred fifty and the and the insurance pay one hundred and you have to pay fifty there. There are a lot of therapists who just don't even get paid back by the insurance companies because it's so annoying it is actually fifty and call yeah yeah and figure okay well that one hundred wasn't worth all the hassles. I see that with my husband I mean he. He's decided to sort of cut off certain insurances because it's too complicated or just do exactly what you said and it's it's challenging. I've told him before him. I said I feel like you need like take a bookkeeper or Adleman just to handle insurance and the billing and all that stuff you do and then the other thing is there's also many providers providers who think that they arbitrarily deny every first reimbursement request and I have seen that to be true and it's interesting there was a presidential debate like at towards the end of July and they were saying that from the stage there they just they insurance is basically making it confusing and difficult in the hopes that people will just give up. I know right you you do have to be unbelievably persistent assistant in order to get anything done yeah you do and as you said it's like you and I both have graduate degrees and we've worked somewhat in the medical field and we're still finding it difficult call tonight often think you know it's both money but also educational level can have a real effect on the care. People are able to get and for sure yeah how much you're willing to wade through yeah absolutely absolutely and it's funny. I'm just thinking now in in terms of the conversation that we had about introversion that it's no wonder I'm so exhausted and full of rage after I'm like trying to be on the phone dealing with all of these different touch points because like none of them are feeding my I soul you know bad. There's nothing that will put me in a worse mood than having to be on the phone with medical insurance. Yeah I mean I. It seems like it's a guaranteed thirty minute wait because somehow they can staff the phones. Yup Yup and then yeah the quagmire. I mean you mentioned your yes my daughter. Shoe and then yeah you with your daughter as well yeah. She says she has this. I feel like this is something that tons of parents deal oh with allergies food allergies so she has a tree nut allergy and I was like the post that we were going back and forth on this was a little while ago but I was all like okay so I knew she had her three year mark from her very first new patient visit so if we booked another appointment before that three or mark than it would just count as a follow up versus the whole whole like rigmarole of a new patient visit so I was like patting myself on the back so my oh it's like three and a half months before this deadline. I'm going to book an appointment and I. I can't believe I remember to do this. I'm crushing it parenting. I call your totally and I called and they're like yeah. There's one appointment within that time period period and it's like she named a town and I was like where is that. Is that in Massachusetts now I had to Google it so it was an hour away and I just took it and I said well. WHEN'S THE NEXT APPOINTMENT IN BOSTON. You know which is where I wanted the care because it's really close to home and she's like. Oh yeah not till like a couple of months after that I and I was thinking. Is there only one pediatric allergist on how how can the system be like this and I actually do think there is a shortage of pediatric allergists but I just felt so like there's no winning like even when you think you're winning. You're not winning. Oh totally I my kids are insurance. Has this this weird thing where if you can get an authorization the authorization generally lasts for three months now you can get an appointment within three months but then what happens is like it takes a while for you to get the authorization in the mail and then you've got a call and often you'll call and they'll be like we don't have any openings for four months and okay then. I won't be authorized but then they won't make the appointment if it's not within the authorization window it's it's crazy making it is hair pulling yeah yeah every now and then. I tried to like be positive and think to myself because I did my PhD in Canada so I lived in Canada for three years where it was like socialized medicine. I I kind of think well well you know back then like if I had a friend who needed an MRI like they would literally wait for ten months like I mean it is better than that but yeah I mean these days. It doesn't feel like a ton better yeah. It doesn't and you know psychiatric. CARE is whole other issue here to you know if you've ever had a kidney to get in with the psychiatrist those wait times are astronomical five to six months wow and then and what's happening and you mentioned this with your husband to and my ex was a therapist and I was for a long time was happening in mental health is that therapists circuiting so fed up with insurance policies that most many not not all but many good therapists refuse to take insurance at all all because they're just it compromises care. It's just it's a major hassle. you know they are requiring us to give diagnoses. ABC's to people that may or may not fit and so that's frustrating too because if you have a child and you wanna use the benefits that you have for therapy chances are that list of therapists that you're GONNA get may not be that good or the good ones are full up for Mama. Yeah yeah so it's really hard to get health care with insurance which is man which it is it that is crazy making in itself just because it's like if you think about key you know ultimately prevent your preventative live. I mean some of that is seriously preventative for other situations. I mean it just feels like something. That should be readily available so I do think that I'm genuinely curious. Do Do you think that similar to the allergy situation that there is a bit like a shortage of all the things we were talking about. It's the difficulty of Insurance I guess I'm wondering like why. Why are we in this situation. We're in will no. I don't I in in the case of therapists. I don't think it's a shortage of therapist. I think we're actually oversaturated with okay. At least where I live. It's oversaturated. It's just a shortage of therapists that will play the insurance game because people really sick of it it there. I really sick of it and you know what's hard to as you know in our. MFT programs people are going through as a therapist you don't learn at any point and how to deal with insurance durance not taught that in school and insurance panels make it so incredibly difficult to engage that just people just say. I don't want to deal with it and rather have less clients or make less money than deal with these insurance panels who may or may not reimburse you yeah. I think that's a huge point because I think it was the same when my husband went for his elevate see training and he had the benefit of he's he's also a fellow career jumper so he has a business degree too so he's like us to like reading through lingo and dealing with all manner of red tape so the idea that that is such a key part of time you know as a therapist. It's not there's no training in it. That's really really challenging. I wonder if there's going to be a strides to change that in the future. I don't know I don't know I mean I do know that Kaiser therapists have been in the state of California have been striking like all year. I mean they just keep going on strike because of the way they're being treated treated so. I don't know well so let me ask you a question. Actually I mean how do you how are you managing like how do you manage either the rage or like actually getting from point a to point B like. I know for me sometimes actually having a friend who's kind of like my healthcare accountability buddy who knows about a particular situation and he'd be like hey has co in just like offering a little encouragement like sometimes that's helpful to me sometimes not. I'm curious if there are certain things that you do that have been helpful to kind of help you get to the other side. Yeah I mean I think the one thing that I had to do that. I think is unfortunately what everyone has is to do is just become very knowledgeable on your plan figure out how to get those lists of doctors and then what I do is like let's say for example my primary care physician because I have to get a referral to go anywhere else. you know it's an HMO which is how many people are dealing with things so number one is picking the right primary care physician who's going to he give you the referrals you need. Yeah and I'll tell you what I used for choosing. All my doctors is yelp. I feel like people are honest on Yelp. You know that's a really good point and so I have lists in Yelp. You know you can make bookmark lists for specific things. I have lists of primary care doctors who take my insurance and then and Obgyn's who take my insurance and then allergists who take my insurance and so when I so I've chosen a primary care physician who's responsive to the referrals. That's number one. You know if you if you haven't. HMO You need that primary care physician whose office staff knows how to get you your referrals and I did a lot lot of trial and error with that once you have that then specifically asking for a doctor so not just hey I need to go to an allergist but hey I need to go to an allergist and here's a person that my insurance covers and here's their code and when you ask for my insurance for the referral you give me this person person and you know I've just researched so much on what other patients are saying about these doctors and it's it is crazy to see some of the doctors that are on my insurance panel having one to two star reviews on Yelp of just patient after patient saying they're unprofessional. They left me waiting so it's illuminating for me. That is that is. I have to say that as a brilliant protect because I mean I I'll be honest like if I'm looking for a new place to get my nails. I'll dig deep into yell out. I I have never done just for restaurants Christine. Apparently I believe so. I think that's so smart like okay. I need to figure out how to book market. Make lists on Yelp. That's awesome. Yes I really honestly I advocate for myself very very heavily. I mean every referral I have an I put it down on paper enhanced to my doctor. Here are the people I wanNA see. I don't WanNa see this. Obgyn I wanna you see this one so I do a lot of of reviewing and then it's it's a lot of administration. As soon as I get a referral sheet. I'll scan it into my computer cuter. I have a foul right next to my desk. I'll put in my calendar. You know because I have three months to get in to see the referral doctor. Put it in my calendar. This is when it ends. I'll call right away but it it truly feels like I spend a lot of time on this like it's a little part time job yeah for sure and well especially with four kids to again whatever their needs may be. It's like you know there's like a whole hierarchy like I'm sure there's a very organized system or even. If it's just in your brain there's like yeah. There are a lot of moving pieces yeah. How about you how do you how do you navigate it. I think you know so I I. I hate saying this because I am a feminist and my husband used to work in healthcare more consulting angle go but he is like totally not afraid of the logistics and the plan we are. We are both basically independent business people so we've had to buy insurance so it's a ton of money. It's been years since anybody paid for our insurance so he has set up. He's really taken the lead in setting things up but I do really try to dig into into our count and try to learn. I get frustrated sometimes and so where I've come at it is is as a feminist. I tried to go as far as I can and not ask for help and try to figure it out myself and really advocate and then if I really feel like I'm reaching my breaking point then I we'll turn to him for help. which is what happened with the allergies situation where the we had only the doctor choice of one day selfishly the day before my birthday and I was like I don't know if I can give up like a whole like three quarters of a day to go travel to this thing I have worked to? Do you know I might want to do something nice for myself because this is the day before my birthday and so I actually wrote him an email and I think about sort of invisible labor or not so invisible labor. We're all the time so I was thinking to myself. You know what I have to be visible about this and say something and ask for help so I actually wrote an email with the subject line. OMG The I am freaking the F. Out. I need your help and I and I said and yet God is attention and actually when I was on the phone with with this whole trying to figure out an appointment situation. It dawned on me. I said Oh my God. I don't even know if this doctors still in our insurance because we just recently changed so I said to him listen. I could look up that part but I've literally been on the phone already for an hour. I'm exhausted and can you look her up and and actually that's all I was asking thing is. Can you just look her up. Make sure she's an insurance and then I'll call in the referral from the doctor and you know what he wrote back and I think the urgency and my voice and if through the email he said she's in the network and I will take violet to the appointment. Take it off your calendar and it was like I felt like angels. Were singing so I think sometimes you know if you're in a relation if you are happen to be coupled and you can lean on somebody. I think that was actually a wakeup call for him. He's a super tuned in parent but he said you know it wasn't until I got that email where I was like you know. Christine doesn't have to be responsible for all these doctors visits. You know we could both be doing doing that thing and that was really helpful so every now and then. I guess my point is a meltdown can be helpful. Yano well but also let let me say this because I think this is. This is an interesting thing for for those of us like myself. Also who fancy ourselves feminists you know there's a difference between advocating things you could could or should learn to do to a man versus in a couple of if you're Hetero saying you know what you have more experience in this and I have more experience in this and so so I mean this year lane and the smiling you know yeah and for I mean this isn't related to healthcare but my boyfriend is an it gotten so he he knows everything about computers and I'm a writer he didn't. He hates filling out forms. He hates writing essays. He hates you know all that kind of stuff. I hate figuring learn how to dial in the laptops or you know any of the tech things we all of it and so we just I will fill out. We just just literally last week did the same thing I said. I'll fill this out for you. If you get a laptop back right yeah and it's exactly as he's mad the woman it's just like Oh my gosh thank you because you can do that so much faster than I can. Yes played your strengths. I'm a believer in that yeah yeah I just I think I the reason I brought up. The feminist piece is that I do feel like as you said like part of this figuring out of healthcare stuff and navigating the dumpster fire is you do even just bit by bit half to learn how to dig in a little bit and it's uncomfortable and it's frustrating but I do feel like those little baby steps where you you can like even figure out how to log into the portal and start looking around you feel like dare. I say a little more empowered. The more you start to to get familiar with it so that's why I wanted to point out that yes. It's good to sort of say hey I need help and it's also good to try to dig in a little yeah. Absolutely I agree it can. NBA empowering equal parts frustrating but then you can you can kind of figure out how to get more information than than might be given to you. I actually did yeah. It was actually really funny because this new PCP office that I have. You've you know signed on with. I think the woman I was talking to literally had no filter and it just gave me life because I translated something that the the insurance company said to her and she actually said to me on the phone lies. They're full of lies. They're only full of lies and I'm like wait. Am I talking to the doctors officers. This like the community community theater like what is happening right. Oh my gosh I guess it's assigned. Everybody gets a little frustrated. Sometimes even the professionals as I think everybody nobody does and I I do. You know part of this conversation. Too is just wanting to normalize that. This is a very frustrating process that you know you mentioned your mammogram. I have insurance drama drama with my mammogram pretty much every around and it is normal that it takes a lot of persistence. It's normal that it's incredibly frustrating and yet it's like we still have to do it anyway. Because yeah are worth it you know our health care and mental health is worth it. It's true. It's absolutely true we have to we have to advocate for our boobs like that's just that's just the bottom line. we do you gotta get your boobs checked. GotTa get your paps. GotTa do all the things yeah we talk. We call that the like often I refer to that as like the non spa side of self Keira actually we have an episode all about that and you guys have talked about that but it really is like all of those things are so crucial and just some of them are easier to book than others. Yeah I know and I want to just make a quick mention if we have listeners who are uninsured you know that's another area to advocate for yourself. I've been in that situation. you know and the great thing is the affordable care act has made it somewhat accessible for everyone and if that's the thing that you're struggling with reach out reach out to the social workers that are in your community for people who who are uninsured does take a lot of work and I I had insurance under the affordable care act for a very long time. It is not easy not at aw but take that time to advocate for yourself because it is there and it is available yeah. I'm glad you brought that up. I mean everybody people are very different stages with their access so yeah absolutely and you'd be surprised. I mean you know especially for you. You know like a as me for a single mom with four kids. You know I do get some assistance from the affordable care act. You might be surprised it's not necessarily the poverty line. They're also taking into account the number of people in your family and where you live and all that kind of stuff so you might be surprised what's available yeah absolutely and I would also sort of in the yelp model you know just if you're struggling and wondering like reach out and ask people kind of what they're doing because I think sometimes I found myself more surprised that there are a lot more people dealing with the same things than than I have realized is and so you know I know. Some people don't feel comfortable. Maybe putting out a ask on facebook or whatever but sometimes it can be helpful you even if you just reach out to a small group to be like. Do you know somebody. I can connect with to kind of like Wade through this stuff and that can be very powerful. Absolutely I agree Christine. Thanks so much for coming on again. This was so fine I just loved having a chance to have two separate conversations and actually we will have another one that will broadcast on the edit. Your life show excited about that too. Yes yes me too. Yes please guys check out at at your life. It is you can find it. Wherever podcasts are her and we will link up to all Christine Social Media and websites on Sunday podcasts dot com thanks for joining us continue the self-care conversation nation with us over it instagram at at podcast and make sure to join our guber supportive humidity that we love on facebook by searching for a Selfie podcast community you can also visit our website to check out the resources. We've talked about each episode. 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Episode 29: Bloody Valentine

So What? Who Cares!

1:09:55 hr | 4 months ago

Episode 29: Bloody Valentine

"Lend land okay. Is that the song that was great. All right so sorry this episode sleep but you know what we live in new england. Storms happen yet. We're in a pandemic we can't just like sometimes shit comes up okay. On sunday i was on my way here. And i was like i cannot taste. Mcdonald's co little cookie. Take my hash brown and i was like yeah. I can't. I can't taste that. And i was out in the cold all day on saturday so i think that's what did it but i got tested. Hurt like a motherfucker. I'm negative. I think i'm just. I think fighting off a cold on you but i got all my crying. I was so. I made her park in the driveway. Gotta get lewis sitting in the driveway. While i was looking up at the window down and her colonies timing. It was very sad so she still had a great mask on in her car. Just one of those guys. Sorry just kidding. I think she was panicking. I was. I was bawling. And you know i avoid avoid. Avoid so if. I don't have to go to the doctors i won't until it's like an emergency say so the fact that i was that scared and i drove right there. I like literally like hadn't showered in two days and you hadn't been in contact with your family yet so it would have been perfect for union the rapid and then yet another good job. Sage pat on the back. Yeah negative bitches yuppie h. I haven't had to take a test yet. Yeah would free and ready for valentine's day weekend not so much because i'm single but are not so much because i'll be ice fishing and not eating dinner. It's okay we're having it on tuesday. That's fine but it painted my nails pink for the occasion. Oh okay oh fish blood under these fingernails gut. I'm saying now winning the derby. Oh you do the derby weekend. Valentine's day. I don't fucking know about a romantic lucky. I'm i'm fine with it. I c. I could ice all day long. I didn't checked into my danes. If i could anyways so follow us on instagram. So what who cares pod. If you have stories we have our next. Episode is a smorgasbord aalyah. Baby it's episode thirty so send in whatever you want depth. So what who cares doesn't matter what it is you send it in. Yeah exactly that was ever. You can share your pants. You can find a dead body. Don't send it get we. Don't get shot. It's right if you want to confess something to us anonymously. Yes go for love. That secrets threats Secret we haven't had that yet we need to seek or any family. Descend his secret. Okay so should we started fucked up facts. Yes sure. I can go first. Okay i would just like to preface this by saying recently. I've had this thought in my head and i never knew how google You know you have your siblings brothers and your sisters or siblings of your mom and dad. Those are called parents. Aveer grandma grandpa grandparents so then your grandparents grant so then you have your grandchildren thinking about. I'm like what are the words for aunts and uncles or nieces and nephews. What do you call those. I don't know that. So my fact is i don't have the name of aunts and uncles as grew group like parents and siblings. You understand what i'm saying. Okay okay however my fucked up fact of the week is another term for your nieces or nephews would be nibbling nibbling. 's that is weird. I feel so wilders. My nibbling nibbling. He's my nibbling. Leads are never heard of that in my life and then right under this fact speaking of cousins and nieces and nephews and whatnot. Iceland has a dating app. That stops you from hooking up with your cousin. You got like what sorry. That's valentine's day swings. Dna oh my i've your fucking idea. I said yes. I have no idea okay since i only love. Animals and animals only love me right now. I just wanted to list off few Animals that mate for life that sound q. Fucking lovebirds as always obsessed the. Atlantic puffins oh my the. Life lanting puffins. I love toughens. One of my faves. Another one you ready for this one. Yeah this is something. That i hear a lot. I know what it's gonna be me. I don't know yoda's made the life. I was gonna say wales. Why would i hear. Wheels kampala time. Wales seahorses totally different animals. But i know what you mean. Awesome also year Classic antelope species the dick. Dick angelo. talk. Yeah you nonni elope bald eagles. How american i truly another good one here albatross. Oh my god an albatross. Beavis only cut gibbons low monkeys will baby monkeys primates blessings the sandhill cranes o or what people think mothman. We'll see. The thing is a lot of a lot of bird species do make for. yes barn. owls. He's i don't know what the fuck this is. Oh prairie voles. i don't know vol- is like a rodent. Yeah swans we know that. Oh yeah. here's a swan rye. Beach the titi. Monkeys titi monkeys. T t t t. I t monkeys. They mate for life pigeons birds. That's pretty good parakeets. We knew that gray wolves gray wolves lack vultures. Wow french angle fish angel fish. It is angel food french angel fish. I'm like fuck fox's scarlet mccullough's toss california condors the out terrifying the up and the shingle back lizards shingle shingleback. She go back single back. It hasn't age so you can go back lizards aggressee. It like you said that. Just like a lizard say i feel shingle. Back lead toa. I didn't read the full list. I was like lake five and the dick was tough to get through the dick. The miniature antelope the dick dick. Okay and then. I was also thinking of ant eater. I was combining armadillo either. Like what is up fucking antelope. They're actually they're apertures there a zell. Yes gazelle but we're talking antelopes. Nakas cells cited. Yes i get it. I don't even think about this one on his land. It's kinda oh my god. This one's fucking disgusting. This one's gross. This one's really gross grope k- okay. Okay i don't this is bad. I'm excited that your head. Would you rather receive a naked selfie from a family once a day or they ready. I'm not it's a different type of gross okay. But i don't know if i could do this and that's hard right now. All right. what is a drink. Twelve ounces of someone else's chewing tobacco spit. I do that all day long. i would chew it. how much is twelve. Ounces how many twelve ounces. Like half of this of someone's dip spit. Could i just feel like. That's a really uncomfortable. It is to see but laying. i think i'm gonna i'm gonna. I'm gonna do the debt. Because i have accidentally somebody's deceive from a family. Member wants a date now. Is it the same family member or is it like a different family. Member everyday doesn't specify guests. It could be a different family member every day. Wouldn't love that. I'll tell you right now. No that's what i'm saying. So maybe i will do to founders of dip- like that's the league. One of the things to me is dip spit. I i mean. I mean like the amount of people that i've been around in my life that have chewed tobacco and let's my whole family has. That's why i'm so you so at just that. I know but you're not used to drinking this. It's i i've drank it before on accident. It's oh it's somebody's though no spit it's not just the tobacco okay because gagging think about when the guys do it in their gatorade fucking baugh. You're drinking a gatorade bottle. You're drinking gatorade. Bottle fed literally dot sick plus the tooling tobacco. It's been already chewed. Their mouths are dirty in like decaying because they chew like there's already bacteria in there probably. Okay kyw pick the naked family member. I think i do not like that's the thing if it's dawn. I'll take don every joke. My mom's like hey. My boobs shore. I'll do the naked picture. I mean we're all girls. We were also used out of our moms. Yeah i'll take the naked picture but you know what i don't want it from anybody else. Let me let me tell you. I only brothers. That's what i'm saying. This isn't our choice. what if it's i grow. Andrew i'm stricken. I love this bit for fucking every day day. Give me a fucking bendy straw fox. Actually don't destroy. Why don't you give me one of those fucking reusable straw. So i can save the turtles and not have to see that i'm drinking. This bet i'm gonna spit. Okay finish that for me. I wrote spit soup. Or mother Tits mother's milk tip picks or dads dick pic. No i can't even go. There can't go you dick pic from you. Dad cannot go there. What if it's just like you know they'll could be like a little cute little picture of wilder in the bathtub. That's a naked fairly. Well technically your child but if you're going to take a picture of your kid in the bathtub don't distributed just fair warning to people you know for instance somebody that we know. Posted a naked baby picture on facebook should all the time. What are you doing to do all the time. I don't get it speaking of Something i just want to. Can i just say this i. I've a facebook friend who like is a major slut shaming major douchebag shitting on girls who have only fans and we joke about our foot picks all the time. I was a little offended by. We have never done it. But i'm gonna fly. We've taken the pictures you've just never sold. He's never sold which i am. Come on we should be. We should be i mean. They're just sitting collecting dust right. No learned my. They're taking up space on the cloud. Yeah i just. I just wanted to say because there were so many people that like responded to him. Like you are such addictive shitting on sex workers all that bitches if you want us to shout out your fucking only fans. We're going to do it for you. I wrote it on the thing. I wrote it on the thing i was like. What is this the salem witch trials. Give me your frigging. i'll give you a shout podcast. And they wrote women supporting women so would just like to say it's twenty twenty one grow the fuck up and get over it. And why don't you go. Pinch went off to can only girl k. They made only fans for a reason reason. Why there's those accounts in the fucking money. If i had the balls to do it. Yeah i don't have the balls to do it. If i had the tips of an angel the ass of an angel the body of an angel. The at but i got a spare tire. I got us. Yeah i mean. I got the tips of the aspen angel. But they've got some fucking. We got light. We've got a whole fucking gps fucking ringlets bad thai sitting in the back. A donut fucking. She's taking the donuts in the back of the jeep. That's just a little tie. And then i'm taking the big ask one that stuck on the back for decades with the fucking jurassic park. I just wanted to say that. Don't shame people for doing what pays the bills unless it's leave goal unless it's illegal illegal the difference wherever you want. Okay if it's legal in you're over the age of eighteen. Do whatever the fuck you want support you thank you. I just wanted to get that out there. Women support women We really went off on this one. Sorry buddy so we decided on the dip. So i will drink hospit- all right first story you are up. I oh my god all right in a way we go. I went out with a guy. I'd seen a few times before. He's surprised me by bringing a box of chocolates. He knew i had a severe tree allergy. But the box didn't have one of those guides on. Oh no that's the worst bono. Hate that when you. I mean my mom's the only one that's giving me a box of chocolates. They never but You know what my students used to give them to media. But i hate the ones that didn't have it with chocolate. Was okay like can you give me trunks but Pity pity chocolates tastes the best going down to three week of women by myself. A new vibrant. So let's go. Oh we gotta have the story. Oh my god. I have to tell us save at the end so we made a joke event where he did part of the peace and if it was not free i'd finish it well. There was one chocolate one that definitely had nuts in it because i immediately started swelling. I couldn't breathe see or hear. Luckily we made it to the hospital in time and everything was fine. Oh my god. That's the that's terrible tree nut allergy. Already i had been dating. This guy was really falling for him. He said he wanted to plan everything for valentine's day date. He loved astronomy so he picked his spot and brought a small telescope and showed me all the constellations. I was on cloud nine. What a pun. i change into something. Sex scene invited him in. He got undressed. Got in bed and then told me he couldn't do this anymore. He basically got undressed to break up with me. He said i deserved a really nice valentine's day. He did it. I'm speechless like the bachelor last night. When do don't tell me yet. Don't fucking tell me. I didn't get to watch it last night. You wanted to tell you can. Just tell them i want to tell you one part because tennis boilers it. It it it is better but it'll be someone who goes home. You can't tell me okay. Well i can tell you actually. But i don't have to the person's name i can just tell you the situation. Okay okay okay. So last night matt was sending a girl home. Yup literally picked up. The rose thought we all thought. Oh she's going home and then he picked up the rose like he was going to give me our told this whole spiel about how much you liked. Our then said but sent her home over said she. He wasn't feeling it in laid the rose. Bow really break into fucking rules here. They're bending the rules. Holy that's fucked up. She had the wrote like he's literally the whole time you're talking to are playing with the rose and then he's like to walk you out and she was like yes he puts the rose down. I was like oh my god that show rude so rude. i just. that's just like fucking with somebody's emotion. It's literally like she thought she was like her face. She was so excited. I made try. We had a little glitch. I made. Kelly told me it was so. Don't worry i did. Ironically have a glitch at the time when you were about to say we have another one right now. Now okay all right the next story. This guy had asked me out a few times. And i'd say no every time but i decided to give a shot for valentine's day. I got in his car and he drove me to the quick jack picture. Seven eleven in subway combined. Classic talk paid for only his sandwich and then he just dropped me off at my dorm. The hell the whole excursion was fifteen minutes. I had no problem saying no when he asked me out again why he pestered her to go out and then he took her to the park. Quick check to get a sandwich for himself and brought her back foot long long five dollars foot long. I'll tell you that. Jesus christ god so funny at my high school students could valentine's day candy grams to each other. We have that. Did you have a loved it i. Ours was actually. I'm pretty sure it was. It was a crush. It was an orange can orange soda crush and you spend the crush. Can to you like yeah. I'm pretty sure it was an orange crush. Can we had they fucking called god. the flowers the flowers to i think coronations. Oh god called car. Nayyar nations with the fuck is a court. Coronation is like a wedding. I think yet. So we do carnations. If you love somebody was a carnation interesting. I think we did candy grams like in middle school. But i'm pretty sure high school was a crush can did you like the you'd have like little paper bag and then you get like little valentine's each yeah. I don't know if they still do that anymore. Y you sure that like shit ended awhile like a lot of schools. Don't do like the cupcakes. like holiday. things like halloween. now. I'm as to be all healthy every year birthday. Our gym teacher would make us her cookies. Mrs warren's cookies. Everyone knows mrs quote nolan's cookies okay. The best fucking cookies. They were huge they special. You've got him on your birthday every year. Eminem's in them. okay god. I want what i would miss but when i was working at deerfield like only three years ago we had a huge holiday party with like so much bad shit and likely that agree lenny. Marc lawrence cookies. It was. I think it was the last year. The twins were there actually because they were pissed it and get her cookies. But my mom got the recipe. 'cause she gets her hair once every six years. The head of the lenders gym teacher she was the frigging bass in love. That the head of the lunch ladies You know the coordinator mrs szanto. She made cookies her cookies. Where famous cook and we'll be pies. She had a bakery that she became working at school. Okay because they should finish this story No it's fine nation. Would actually at my high school students could send valentine's day candy gram to each other and my long distance boyfriend somehow arranged to send me some but a few days before the fourteenth. He broke up with me for another girl come. Valentine's day. I received candy grams every hour from him telling me how much he loved me and how he couldn't wait to see me again. We all he. He lives long distance. Me you out the most set up for her. I'm dante log the whole time. I wanted her back. K- know they were here. God that is terrible. I am dying right now. Yeah your reaction on. That one was a little slow. We're reactions is now. Because i was like. Oh i was like she doesn't get they broke up these are. These are the best valentine's dates guys. You know us degrade so hot at. That's how it works. Jesus every time. I laugh i pray for a six pack okay. Anyways should be recording every day. Then because i would help with that damn my cheeks her. I know my new gen. Guess what i do it every day. Twelve pro draft any jewish like yoga looking at brazil. Why all right you ready for my next story. Exploring here we go. I was on a date having dinner at a restaurant and suddenly my date jumped up and ran to the bathroom. Oh god after about forty five minutes. I got worried and went to check on him as it turned out the guy who went into the bathroom before him was his dealer and they were in the just getting high. A this was not only valentine's day it was our first date lick. Did he not think like a forty five minutes. Did time really slipped by after to ask you let me. He's probably getting high because he's sitting there. He's really enjoying his life. This limited time. Go just challenge album. My first date was like maybe she was cool with smoking weed. He's just like why didn't you invite me in. yes she like. We could have smoked after the date or something. Yeah are you going to the bathroom. Like yeah we could have just go. Yeah yeah and then issues against we then why are we went on a date with you. Why can't you just be like. Hey how do you feel about weed on a date getting stuck in the back of my back and ford ranger. Do you think he was getting high on something other than marijuana. If he's in it could be cocaine. It could be cokie could be cokie. It's probably cokie. Can i say my cook cook doesn't take forty five minutes to take okay to trust me just little. I'll tell you right now. I'll tell you right now. Coke is so quick that you can do it out of fucking red light you wanna know. Why quick tangent. I'm driving up to ryan's the other day up at two one for sake and i'm in concord and concord ben real trash lately okay. It's been pretty trashy. So i pull up out of fucking stoplight. This lady next to me. She's got busted out lights and just initiate box. And i see her and she's she takes bag out of her jacket pocket. And what do you know. I'm not an idiot. I've never done it. But i know what it is in. She gives little at the red light. And then i look over and my jaws dropped and she sees me. She looks over and sees me she the second turn green like gone fucking guy. I couldn't i couldn't even gather my thoughts. And then as i get close to the window sake i see if i can. Sobriety tests and the guy is literally toppling over. It's like seven o'clock on a friday. The cops yell at him crazy but yeah you can get coke done at a red light. Yeah yes so. It doesn't take forty five minutes so when she says they were getting high I don't know. I assumed getting high smoking. We see if you're taking forty but even smoking weed smoking a joint going to take forty five minutes but you're also in a bathroom with your dealer ria restaurant and you're in a restaurant smoking weed. Yeah that's like coke is not. you don't need it and thinking heroin are pills now. you know. Valentine's day two thousand nine was a day that will live in infamy. My then boyfriend plan for us to do my bench. I read the whole this whole no my then boyfriend plan for us to drive to a nearby wider reefer tour and dinner but he invited his mouth author to make matters worse his mother called to us. She was running late and demanded he put me on the phone. I managed a week. Hello and she screech. I'll be there when i get there. Go buy him a sticky. Give him some pussy. And both w I can't breathe. i'm gonna pass out. I was horrified worst. Valentine's day ever. Are you re reading that. Why she's so aggressive. Why should go by mistake. No how about he gives her he by the steak and gives her the deal by fucking vini. Meaty wants some stake in pussy right. Yeah i'm getting staked next week. All i want a little league vicks both the adult suva plot a bit of butter on top cut. Kind both with the fucking red knife. You'll be critical a one on it. Okay cut them both here to make you want pena's instinct. You can get both in a minute. I don't know about that. I don't know about that. Jesus that story like that. I guess we all right ready for my next one k. That was really intense journey right there. Sorry i'm gonna give it to you a little more subtly. My date actually bought me a whole ass out fit for valentine's day but lo and behold my brand new white dress got ruined by aunt flow. Of course sages been there. I have closed my eyes. In a moment of silence. He saw the mark forming and in front of everyone around us. He said really haley. How childish you couldn't have held it in guys are jerks. No guys are fucking dicks. That's decorate isn't a fucking douchebag. Oh my god you couldn't have held it in. I pray for the day guy says that pray for the day. Guy says that tomato. Pray for the gate. 'cause i will literally boxer. Pray for the game. That would be my fucking time to suck somebody in the face. Hard as i possibly. Can i write. I would enjoy watching you. do that. Shock them right in the fucking sean ant. I'm a little bit jazzed up. After that one. You gave that one for a reason. I'm old jazz. I i did give you that one for a reason. Keep it in. You need huggy fucking. Jesus christ once in high school. I was asked out on valentine's day with a big teddy bear and roses. The whole shebang. However i had nausea that morning in threw up all over the guy and the gifts oops. And you always someone's gonna give you one of those big teddy bears. Yeah i always pray. If you haven't watched the circle yet watched the circle give it. A few episodes is not flicks. Once you get into it. I think season two is going to be great. No yeah it was definitely the quarantine. Heh yup so good circle as good. Someone receives a big teddy bear. It's actually really funny. All right the next one. We went out for dinner. She leaned in to kiss me and her hair got caught candle. she didn't realize and perceived to spread the fire to my very nice dress shirt. She then blamed it on me. And i never saw her again. I'm sorry that's not his fault. It's not his fault but but be upset that her hair caught fire. Understand that she. You know what. Let me tell you. it's not fun. I know it. That's a that's a smell the smell that you know. That's that's a girl smell okay. Next story i went on a date with a little boy. Next door thinking it would be sweet if not magical and fulfill all my teenage girlish dreams when we went on the date which was at nature preserve it was disappointingly awkward and we spent most of the time pulling twigs off of treason silence. We ended up sitting on a log and talking and all of a sudden when there was a lull in the conversation. He started leaning in towards me in counting down out loud like he was a spaceship getting ready to blast off. He was actually counting down to kiss me. I'm just you do. i'm away before. Let's do her reaction so sorry. But i'm still stuck on the pulling twigs off the conceal you were stuck on that one. I said that this is the awkward. Needless to say whipped my head to look at him and said what are you doing. What are you doing the day pretty much ended right there but he still managed to work up the courage to try to find a few more moves on me before the evening ended. What are you doing. Why are we pulling twigs off in silence and then why are you counting down. That was so funny. The most armageddon and it's always the boy next door that's so convenient for three happy valentine's do all right anyways next where the boys door awkward. Okay the date. Oh it's attended date here. we go all you know. I love it going on a date with a guy that at the end of the day turned out to be straight and apparently very confused about guy on guy interaction on gender. I mean i didn't know what to make of. This situation was faking it and pretending to be straight out of pure on attraction. Ray was he. Just very closeted or even worse was he. Just that lost. Like hundred on the state. Yeah like what but only tender. The picture you're going to know on a date with a guy. So i wouldn't say your loss but if he's really attractive and that's really sad be honest. Where'd very weird. I had some guy on tinder the other day two. I can't i wasn't a scanner at. Oh that's the guy i'm gonna talk about. Please let me grab some o- sage fed into the to it. You know main it's a scam. Shut the fuck up scam up so you know. I i truly at this point on tender dresser fucking shits and giggles. because it's literally a fucking joke when guys talk to you so this guy was talking to me. pass me like what. Are you doing for work today. I was like. I just laid off trying to find a fucking job. He's oh wanna be my assistant. So's okay in like this is just the beginning of the conversation duty unmatched with me. I can't read the combo matching. He was pissed at me. And i'm gonna tell you why. Please tell me screenshots something. I definitely screen. John's under gory. Oh my god did. It gets fucking hilarious okay. So he says he wants to be assistant. I'm like what are you. Oh a forensic. Okay i okay. I've got that part. I'm a forensic psychiatrist for federal law enforcement agency. I was like wait. Are you really or is this. Like oh i know women nowadays love forensics. Yes that's what i do. Why would it make that up. And i was like. Oh i don't now because it's what everybody whatever women right now. Yes luff's so he was. What are you on here for. Like did i was like well. You know what. I like years ago when i was on it was like. Oh yeah when it was a new thing it was to date now. I said i'm just on it for like entertaining and like joke purposes. Now i have the to the truth. And then he like he was like. Oh yeah he's like it isn't it does get interesting on here like yeah. I sometimes shocked the way that guys like. Talk to women on here and just like having that kind of back and forth conversation and then he said if we're not into the same thing sexually than this is move. And i said i thought you wanted me to be your assistant. K systems per forensic psychiatrists so-called like the coolest ever. Yeah like. yeah and then he's like. Oh yeah that too. Why can't we have both like that. He's like says thirty five dollars an hour for like the assistant thing. i'm like. This is just fucking weird okay. Yeah like my dad's have retired. Police officer retired detective. Like i said that to him. I'm gonna just stick a little bit deeper tax. I don't care about the sexual relationship. I only i care about getting a job a citizen to a forensics. Yeah which they do those things do it. They do it in public. Yeah he said the sexually like there's only two things that i really live for sexually. Okay oh my god. I said to tell yeah. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. tell me. Hey he says. I love to use my mouth slash tongue okay. Every guy should say that to a woman because every guy should love to do that to a because that's what a woman. Okay so whatever. Why would i want that guy What else come on your on. And then when they love to have his women. Watch him masturbate. Oh actually he said jerk off okay not that bad of things right so i'm like okay. These aren't the most craziest sexual. Yeah you're having sex. sometimes. I often utilities. You know what. I'm saying. We're going to say i like when women on my balls. That's what i thought you were going to say. That would be something that i was going to expect because like really expecting like when he's like christian grey like this is the beginning of a conversation. You just added to be yours. That's really nice. Yesterday it has only been a day and this is already happening. I want you to watch me beat my meat like so i just let it fester there for a little bit because this is what i'm like you know i had my fun. Whatever i'm done. Yeah he's he so what he needed to say he says. Do you like that. I didn't respond well. He says well didn't respond. And i'm sitting at my. I got respond now because now. He's like my aso. I said because. I was like i'm just going to ignore the jerk off thing. You just say what girl doesn't love a little tongue. And then he goes but would you wanna watch. And then i said my willie wouldn't close my eyes fucking on. I'm dying i call my is right. And then he said. I'm hasso so you like that. You know didn't respond so i ignored it out and then it says. Please watch me kayleigh. Please watch me begging you. So you're not into it. I wrote back. Someone's a little fucking needy. Yeah that's why. I wrote it what i wrote back. And he responded with we could have fun or something. And then i iro assistant in quotes. The sam's more like some fifty shades of grey shit. But like i'm still gonna give it like let him know like i'm not gonna let you just treat all women like this took just give it back to you. Do you want to be an assistant for a true crime type lights and then watch me like you're the whole time and then watch me masturbate. Weird so he then he keeps saying over. come over. i said stop begging. Where does he live. I don't know he. I asked him. Where does he live. When i was trying to inquire about the job. Do you wanna watch me you touch my cock. Let me know if you wanna watch me touch my cock and do a little tongue action on his like she's like i just actually went to know. The salary is seventy five thousand per year with office. I do it. But then i gotta watch masturbate to whatever whatever power watching masturbated zoom okay. That's when he when he kept texting me like please watch me. Please watch me. That left it and then he said well. He's like so you don't want to do this. You're done like the last one. There was like six messages. I just said new orleans match me. But i'm like did he mean like right now like video me on tender so i can watch him masturbate. Can you video tender now. I think you can. Oh thank god. I'm not on tinder. I that's the added pressure. I don't need malul. That sounds like fucking hell on earth pressure. That guide was not going to hire me. Assis- assistant no. I think that was a scam to balance with you. You just want me to watch a masturbate but seriously yep while Here's another story k. Actually think it's my turn. Oh right telling you. Yeah i date with a guy who pretended we were being filmed for reality tv. Show okay anytime. Anything went wrong for example when he knocked his glass of wine off of the table he would gesture to the corner of the bar and say simon. Make sure you edit that bit out. There was no second date. I would go on a second. I mean was it continuous. Like he chooses for example. That was one time. Oh so maybe there was more. So i've been cut that out. I think you would it funny. I'd probably find it funny i. It's probably something. Were awesome podcast. you know. Yeah we'd do this. I think we do. do this. cut that out. You know at that. Out hooper. oh god all right here we go this date. My date got so high beforehand that he called nine one one on himself before our food came out in the. Emt's asked what had happened. He told them he had food poisoning from eating unwashed fruits. I declined to ride with him in the ambulance to the hospital. Do you really have food poisoning. Have you ever gotten sick from unwashed fruit. So i wouldn't go in the in the ambulance either. Like i don't know the guy no i ain't no way no i. I'm going home on. Call your parents yes. That's an expensive ride to the hospital to could have just taken you wanna funk next. It started on tinder. I swipe freight install did he. It started out. Well we seem to like the same things and chatted easily so we met up quickly. We met in the city. He had planned a bit. And i went along and brought my pencils with me as he instructed. Okay pencils it then progressed fairly quickly. We ended up in a life. Drawing studio got a dollar can of beer each and set up our spots. He seemed to know a few of the people that was a tick for me. I love nothing more than a man who goes okay. So that's kinda high. Okay okay he then popped out to the lou and you guessed. It came back in as the model number confident in all his nakedness. I obviously turned right as hell dir the next hour. I saw a lot more of that man than i had expected. i would. I mean he executed some very flexible poses. I hope he's spread his butt cheeks wide open. Get this oh my lord of mercy. I would the ridges really nicely making vain. I got right there. Don't forget the hair that i won't remove all right next one. The guy was a washed up ex pro golfer. Sorry he can just spreading his asshole okay. It's it's really cute because they're like rtp he's doing just that you flexible sticks the asset like just the detail in rg asked. Oh god the fucking little kim grown balloon tie and not only is he spreading his cheeks but he is really fucking spreading them guy. The guy was a washed up ex pro golfer. He said. I showed up for a lunch date on tuesday and he smelled like showered in vodka and was shaking like he was having withdrawals he then proceeds to get out. A bunch of emerge from a golf tournament going on nearby autographed it and told me to hang onto it because it would be worth a lot of money. Conversation was awkward as fuck. He kept high-fiving me. And eventually i found out. He was basically homeless definitely pro golfer but also the high five. That's so middle school. I'm wondering if it's the guy found my shed at school. Justin go golf. Clothes only got stop he was. He never asked one question about me. Just spent the entire lunch talking. About how great at golf. He was and how much money he made and was surprised. I had never heard of him a. Oh yeah thank god. I add an excuse to leave since it was a work day. And i had to get back to the office. I wish shaken to my core. That's a good date idea though like for a coffee date. You're on a first date. Go on your lunch break going. You have an excuse to get back to work very true. I like that. That's a tip sought. Who cares ticket. The i took the first step of giving don't let the dogs toads that adds drew tip number two. The first date went well or so. I thought but on the second date. He literally brought his mother. Oh my god another guy bridge. Why i thought maybe something had happened but she starts talking before he does tells me she's here to make sure her son isn't dating som- whore. Oh my god and proceeds to ask me twenty questions. Do you go to church. Are you a virgin. Are you planning on having at least three kids. I bailed immediately and told him to fuck off and lose my number. That is gross. That is mothers. are no offense. Very kind of like radiate a little bit of a trashy vibe for me given plus he by mistake like i was from repelling dot com by the way like smothered. Okay the next one. My date drove me thirty minutes. To an arby's it's like this famous larger than normal arby's that serves tacos and ice cream in addition to the deli meat was. Don't you gag like okay. Well guys. there's a video i love. It's like my favorite video saves We can't post because it's it really is but it's seiji and that's all i'm going to say okay up in northern maine literally my favorite video. It makes me laugh so hard. Obviously show it is. It's so funny keep reading. He was in love. With this arby's it would have been an okay cute date because i was really into him but i couldn't shake the fact that he brought me to an arby's and we were surrounded by old people are gonna say barbies. I do enjoy arby's and love. I mean it's trash. I mean exactly. Everybody loves a little trash with the melted. Cheese is just what i do recently. Have a thing with archie. I mean with archie with arteries. Because i do my roast beef sandwiches. Local like yeah. Famous athlete a complete. I think that's why. I have a hard time liking like i used to in college for sure for sure i get that but i do like the curly fries. Okay where's camp. It's when we were up at camp. It's here on the window. Regret the new cheese fries nabis yet the and channel seven the fries in her mouth point these guys. Grandchildren andrews trashy. Oh which is even the tenderizer video those so far we had my god. That's so funny. I graham okay. So we're gonna finish this story. I guess oh always finish it. The next day. I had a first date with this guy and he asked me to bring my camera with me. I didn't think much of it but as we walked to dinner. One dollar pizza his choice. He made me take head shots of him against a dumpster for his modeling profile. After dinner. he asked me to come up. So we could upload the photos and then he proceeded to tell me that i needed to dress edgier and smile less. You're taking a picture of a dumpster. You'll what let's so edge current situation. Here he came up to my apartment and my roommate when she walked out of the room. He immediately said she's hot. Can i get her number. I told him it was time to leave. Emailed him as photos and never talk to him again of course by dumpster. Yep yep that was. Like i left him in the dumpster out okay. Here we go first second last date a boy named chad because of course took me out for her after explaining that he had been awake for thirty seven hours and regaling with me. The details of abusing adderall in order to do so he promptly fell asleep at the table. Stop stop it. I've had my fair share of outer all days in college. But i am prescribed. I get it though fucking crash willing to give him a second chance. I gently woke him up and we continued our meal for about four minutes when he fell asleep. The second time texas. I'm sorry had to run left a tip. The waitress and told her he was fine just tired and went home yet by fucked up. Okay this is a really short and sweet one ready. Yeah one time. My ex eight lynn chocolate bar out of my vagina and i basically got an instant new. Ti little bitch little betcha. Salvation army queen. Oh my god. Oh my god that kind lit was at barra ball is she said bar the other night say bar. Oh let's face imaginings case shooting. Somebody's sucking a fucking out of a vagina. Oh little bitch always coming in clutch with the flagging stories. Always oh my god little sucker right out this next one is a reminder that we do have a reddit page called. So what who cares pod that you ghost stories too and this one came someone. Random wrote on sunday to us right. Yeah we're on our little sub reddit. I love that so much. We're doing so well on reddit. A first responder since june. I really updated. Okay a little. Pick your poison on their play back and forth. I have other like seventy when people on there. And they all like randomly respond lake things that i thought i had been casually dating a guy who disappeared and i didn't know why after a couple of weeks another guy asked me out. Total opposite of the first guy went down to the pub and as we were sitting chatting guy number one appears i find out that he had been the hospital as his appendix had burst and he had peritonitis and then zinger guy number two was actually his brother. Who was supposed to tell me what happened stopped. I love that. That's so that's cute to me. I love that and pair. They did a great job with peritonitis. I'd like to say i was very proud of you for that. One mother had that when she was kitschy almost died. So this is someone this one indus-. I'm not one to put a lot of stock into the hallmark holiday valentine's day but it's super sucks to be dumped on that day. I did not see it coming and when i called my boyfriend to tell him about the hotel check in time. He simply responded that he had decided he wasn't going to come. I had reserved dog friendly hotel in downtown seattle. So i hopped in the car. With my trustees soulmate. My dog and proceeded to by myself flowers. A box of chocolate and get absolutely hammered on bubbles. Go love that. Love that journey. My dog and i roam the city that night and honestly it's one of the most treasured memories. I have with him. The ex came crawling back months later. Trying to get back together. I got his voicemail. As i was enjoying a vacation in hawaii and laughed my ass off e o s o of his a vacation in hawaii to hap it off. Oh all right. The next story of shit winters tower happened here. Okay so i just started dating this guy and we went out to a party because all of his friends were in town for the holidays. I'd been sick for a couple of days but somehow decided this party was a good idea halfway through the night. The sudden urged go to the restroom kicked in. I told my boyfriend to take me home a sap on the way out of the party. He bumped into so many friends he hadn't seen in a long time. I just waited in the car. On my way home. Things started to escalate in. Yeah to bump into friends though he had to. Because i know what's coming in that you know what you really ruined. Yep were there for a while. On my way home things started to escalate and yeah five minutes away from my house. It was too much too quick and very bad. I put my pants in his car as broke down in tears. We've been dating for five years. Now what sometimes that works out. I worked out for the gluck club. Clean also worked out for. I'm going on three. And both him. And i have both should our pants while we've been together Same room it's fun happens a lot actually you. You're both very weird. I get the snaps very weird. It's very interesting snaps to our arches. Angels snapchat group me. Her and ryan never know what's coming in. You always have to keep your phone away from your face all right here. We go right after high school. One of my old classmates asked me out on a date to the movies. Sounds like your average day and he seemed like a genuinely good person fast forward to the day of the day and i get to the theater. He is there and so is his best friend. Oh i thought that maybe for a second he was having someone else. Come to and it would be like a double date. I would be proven wrong. Oh my god. We watched twenty one jump street. And i'll be honest. I was the third week. He sat in the middle talk to his friend. The entire time and in general seem very different than our previous conversations. I stopped talking to him for a while. Because honestly what the fuck. But eventually i ended up dating him for almost a year in what is probably the most toxic relationship i've ever had so always trust your first instinct and see the giant red flags being swung in your face and avoid a bunch of bullshit. Oh my fucking hammered. Why how awkward do that. Yeah that is very weird. Oh god well. I'm glad you got out of there. Okay so when my boyfriend. And i started dating i remember. He took me to the classic ninety nine for dinner. You know. I love trivia night Hello it's always the real deal mozzarell- moon when i worked for the radio station. I did the ninety nine. And i was the female voice. She loves that. This is emotional for you mind you. We had only been dating a few weeks at this point so it was very fresh. We sat down in our waitress came over and looked at my boyfriend and says on. That's so sweet of you taking your little sister out to dinner. What a guy. God what a guy my stomach dropped and so did my jaw. My boyfriend simply goes. That's my girlfriend. It was a very awkward dinner for the rest of the night at the ninety nine nights at the nines. Nine says what. We call mr donahue calls from the nines but now every time we go back we can't help but laugh n- remember that one day we weirdly do kind of look alike and that was not the last time we have been told we look alike but now we just laugh it off sincerely the girl with the cup of hot tea okay. So now i'm good admit that i didn't read the rest of this and her in the boyfriend do look alike. I it all the time just so you know i'm not gonna give you out but yes you guys do but you also don't at the same time but you kind of do okay. Ready so funny okay. Well i'm actually going to be another one in recent updates. i'm k. After my boyfriend. And i moved into our new house last summer. We had a fourth of july bonfire to christen the new place. We had a ton of people over. We had fireworks and we had lots and lots of jello shots and tequila. I had more jello shots than i could count. I eventually passed out around midnight in my bad but my boyfriend stayed up until five. Am drinking and partaking in stimulants with the boys. They finally called it a night and he came to join me in bed. He had been in bed. Maybe five minutes out of nowhere. I rose from dead sleep projectile vomiting red jello all over their brand new white. I awoke mid hurl vomit already spewing out of my mom together unable to do anything but let it happen the volume of vomit. That erupted from. My gullet was truly unbelievable. People people always say i'm allowed. I didn't know my stomach was capable of holding that quantity of liquid. I was too drunken days to do anything about the mass once. It stopped so. I just threw a bath towel over the puddle and went back to bed for another twelve hours. My boyfriend decided he couldn't stay up in the room with it and went back downstairs to do more coke in eat breakfast at this point. He wasn't going to sleep so he committed to just staying awake. I rented a rug doctor. The next day and the carpet is his new. Love this pod and y'all so much this is my first of potentially many stories to come. We love that could puke story. Okay so this next story comes from a friend of mine. It's about her engagement. But i'm just gonna say me. Her and my sister were going to three wicked women. Which is a boutique for women. They sell sex toys. Get pictures gun. You know so we were going there. Where is it right down. The street right by law goes what yeah right by law goes never been wanna go by law. Goes in your favorite little trailer back right across the street from a little rug store. You know so we were gonna go to three wicked women have a little time. Check out some things and then we were going to go out to the wilder downtown portsmouth which we love their pickle back shot and their special. Martinis are amazing. So we'll do little girls so cassidy tax me and my friend who's story. I'm about to tell in a group message made us resume at three thirty for wilder tomorrow. Dildos and happy hour. Jk i wanna vibrator k. Yep andrea has a new number. She technique that to the group with a number. We don't know and we were just like waiting for him to respond or them to respond. No one did. Oh my god but it didn't say like delivered so was de definitely went to somebody my god. We had a great time. I got drunk. i don't normally drank. i was drinking. We're having a great time saturday night. Okay so we decide to play a game. This is just another story that has to evolve us. Played a game called tipsy chicken. it's dare game. You know you you pick up a dare the dare whatever there's more to it but the person got the dares like take a picture and the person to your left gets decide who senator. What so it was my friend. She's engaged like just go frigging in the other room in san him sentiment fucking typic- so she goes in the kitchen. I mean she goes into the bathroom cassidy goes in with her to help. Fucking make the lighting really great. Okay they come back out. We see the picture. Right as i'm looking at the picture because we all had to look at it was so he tax he goes of so awkward you to take that in front of other people use zoom. In on the picture you can see. Cassidy's was the funniest thing think nasty smiling in the background. It's like cats trying to get the mood lighting. Who's playing a dare game. You know what. I mean so funny so money anyways so my friends who are now engaged this argument story but back in the day they actually were like classic relatives together they were classed. Funding dated for a little bit way back. Then yeah day you know we you know and then got back together. You know middle schools different. This is story. She sent in my then boyfriend a plan to night in portland and made reservations at our favorite restaurant portland maine we love it. We arrived at the hotel. And he's pushing on the white comforter. Saying this is perfect in my mind. I thought he was just trying to have aksoy brushed it off now. I know what he's doing. Is he decks. I i hopped in the shower. Started getting ready to head out for dinner when i come out of the bathroom. There are rose petals on the bed. Saying mary me a fine bottle of champagne and just the rock i want. I obviously said yes. Precious we popped the bottle. I turn around and go to take a photo of the flowers laid out on the bed and didn't realize that it doesn't say mary me. It says mary m. a. r. y. Mayor ryozo men so fast. Start laughing so hard. I'm cackling at this point. I'm roasting him so hard. I love it. I turned around and said babe. I will help you fix this to the correct spelling before i posted on social media otherwise you will have to live with for the rest of your life. He respectfully declined to say. I never miss an opportunity to make fun of him and ask him. Who the fuck is mary to end the night my fiance and i got way too drunk any puked in the bathroom sink and then rose petals stained the sheets. I did not get my security deposit back. Oh my god mary mary. Rose's key clump them together. He could've east god. i fucking. he could could've spread out. bless his soul. Don't picture so we. The picture is so funny and the ring is so gorgeous and it's just such a good story so just run with it. Okay here we go the next one. I think this is my last one. I met my boyfriend. Tender and our first date was a restaurant in town. My period started a week early. And i had no choice but to go on our first day on my period we hit it off in at the of the date. He kissed me and asked if he could come back to my place. I wanted to say yes so badly. But i didn't want my period to be his first experience with main lady parts so i said no and told him. I didn't want to have saxon first date which is practical thing with the practice you can use that as an and if they're mattis do it's not true but yeah she wanted it. You know but. I was too embarrassed to tell him the truth so i have just let him believe it ever since it has been almost three years now and probably will never come clean to him. I would say on the first day. Maybe he had a little respect for and now he's gonna lose a little when he was like was just on my period. But i really wanted to talk you into fucking gorilla grip. Oh nope interesting okay. Last one so We have a amazon review episode coming up but not amazon review. We want yelp reviews. Airbnb reviews maybe braun tomato of so. If you us that are really funny on anything just ended in. But i was looking them up obviously doing like from research and this is when i found kind of went with allentown day but it is of a shirt with three wolves on it. Oh okay. I bought this product as a gift for my beautiful wife. We have three sons and she loves the military green color. I thought this gift would be perfect with. Its three wild wolves representing the three small pops. We have at home while the rest represents me as her moon and stars. I can picture. It's like a deerfield fair shoot. It's oh it's so is upon arrival. I decided to reveal this wonderful gift to her early. As i could not contain the thoughtfulness that went into this valentine's day present. Her reaction was different than i anticipate. Thank i thought for sure. She'd be excited. When i pulled that shirt out of its plastic sleeve. There was a look of awestruck. Wonder that appeared on my wife's face for a moment i thought she may have mistaken the shirt for tickets to disneyworld or if you scratch offs as her expression of joy was one. I had not seen since the last time. I surprise her with an oriole blizzard. I love door was really good. Around with the fury of the she wolf. That had dwelt long slumber deep down in her bones. She attacked me and stole the shirt from my grasps before it could open my eyes. She had adorned said shirt and had me pinned to the floor. She leaned in clothes and begins sniffing my head and neck. I could feel her honing in on my jugular and it was at for migrant fewer honing in on my jugular and it was at this time i feared for my life suddenly in one swift motion. She took me straight from the floor and threw me over her shoulder and felt like an innocent kettle. Bell being manhandled during an afternoon workout of the day the last thing i remember is the weightlessness i felt. I soared through the air island so hard on our bed that i blacked out. I can't say what happened next. This may be due to the head trauma i sustained. Or perhaps it was. My sub-conscious can't protect my now fragile psyche. Blocking the experience from my recollection. I woke up two days later. I'm not sure where she is now. Our pillows and cushions have been ripped to pieces in the living room and cotton covers the floors. Like a winter wonderland. All the shoes in the house have been torn up appears someone used the business end of a toilet brush as the chew toy. Our home is eerily quiet. The silence is periodically broken by moans. That i can only assume are coming from an injured cat. In the distant there are claw marks on the back door as it swings wide open allowing the cold february air to fill our home. I'm scared to leave. I've now locked myself in the bathroom and in writing this review for the safety and concern. I have for other husbands. Take my advice for valentine's day. Get her a gift card. She is louie review hungry. Like oh i love it. Fox mike schmidt question. Yeah same if you had to become an inanimate object for a year what object would you be. Inanimate object really can't do anything. I would be a for one year one year. does it mean. We'll say that you can listen to everything when you say inanimate does it not move. Yeah right Honestly like the most exciting one that i could be is a wacky wacky inflatable arm. Man a white. That's fun thing. That is not alive such as a rock chair a book. That's perfect okay. So i'll be a wacky inflatable arm. Man okay. i love that. I love that too. I'm going to be at a car dealership. Panic panic pete. sorry. I jumped the gun him. Be a little panic. If you're going to be that i'm going to be paying. You know what fuck it will be a furby. Oh that's a good one. W. for barbie barbie dolls. Barbie have so much fun with me. Oh my god yeah okay. Budding serial killers grabbed on with you. Too okay. Yes i'm actually. I'm actually so this is going to question okay. I'm ready the other day. I was like relisting to old my favorite murder episodes and somebody wrote in and said that one of the icebreaker questions at their work was. What kind of liquid would you want to come out your fingertips and the girl said breast milk so she could feed all the babies in like third world countries. That don't get breast milk. So kelly if you have any liquid. Come out of your fingertips. What would you have. Come out of your fingertips. Probably coffee. Coffee actually an iced carmel. A nice caramel swirl. Just like those rate in this great automobile. You're putting your iranian true. okay. I like that. What would you do So that's another thing that was mentioned episode was gasoline. But then you think about it. You have to be so careful. You can't candles right do anything. I don't want gasoline. Honestly i think i would have For a lot of things. I know i know what i'd want. It's very similar to yours but it's very specific. Conduct creamery coffee milk cold. Keep it cold. I want my hands through thing. Is i have coffee every day. I love pepsi. But it's rare that i drink pepsi but i write be convenient. Yeah i like actually. I think convenience sake in this. I'd want a finger to be chocolate contract. Creamery not regular hate it blueberry strawberry here we are once again sages giving herself five options or ten because she ten fingers. But she didn't give me that option to you. Can you can give you some really. Went one seville seville sage always. Can't make up our minds so she has to have ten because the other hand. I just want gas and episode. I want you to just stick with your first into didn't decide. What makes everything so got. Anyways we're gonna do our bitter sweet. I think the bitter of this week for me was not being able to do the podcast on time but whatever so i'm so sorry i lost my taste. That's my better right. So what do cares. It happens but we're still getting it done because that could happen to my week. You know what i mean. No my other better was probably. That's it that was my thought. I'd covert thousand die. I was pretty scared. Lie sweet what would my sweet baby mice. We was saturday night. I had a lot of girls night. That was my sweet this week. My sweet was Oh my sweet. I had a great day on saturday. Yeah is fished all day long. My my best friend katherine came up the ones she puked in the sand and covered it up. She came out. We caught a salmon. Together don't worry we released. It would take it out of the ice because new hampshire can't that's a girl power shit right there. I got really drunk. And i got really hung over in the same day. So i was pretty. Good saturday's yeah. We had some pretty pretty good. I always do. I have come to the Sad decision in the sad like conclusion. That i am firmly. I think that. I have an alcohol. Intolerance and i have to like not drink. A bunch of booze. Because i'll drink like four white claws. And i will be out of commission for the rest of the day into the next day i get off. So sick i puke puke puke puke puke puke but i've always had this issue you have always so it's pretty sad so anyways Follow us on instagram. So what who cares pod Senator stories diaz text us email out. So what who cares about a juvenile dot com and have a happy valentine's day and get that delaware that pulse. Okay so what who fucking cares. We don't went down to the pub and as we were sitting chatting as losing chad added. Buck was at burlington that one. That was okay here. That felt very. My lip vibrated. It did hurry give you. He'll he'll he on my back. It feels bike my shoulders obliging okay. Oh crack crack crack zima what. I've got rosa over. Sorry my bad for the boot so then an anti austin. He's probably not listening. He said listen. He has his own podcast. Look him up. he's on with the wolf. The wolf radio station now he was. He would always text me to be like a ninety nine spot for you. I'm restaurant real deals. Sign me with the furry of the sheer fury with a fury. He's a he's going to get that he's gonna get that bad fury stop because i was going say the other way i had to repeat it. That was like something you knew what you knew. I was going to say it wrong. That's when you sing the same song and it stuck in both of your at the same time and it's weird and i wanna know what that is. Pooping on my bed. I'm forgetting their fury. Okay so dark in here. This episode has been brought to you in part by arch me. Hey does this episode has been brought to imbibe by this episodes. Been brought to you in part by sky news for all your popular news in such needs. Go pausing this. Oh jesus always a fight with the dog.

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JAN 351: Dr. Strange Joins Spider-Man 3  The Boys Season 2 Review (10/18/20)

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JAN 351: Dr. Strange Joins Spider-Man 3 The Boys Season 2 Review (10/18/20)

"This week on the and Nerd podcast Jason Dutch from voice from the underground joins us for a spoiler build review of the boys season two on Amazon. Plus doctor strange will be in Spiderman three Sony Responds to the tobey Maguire Age Garfield Rumors Disney doubles down its focus on streaming content the Batman caught relaxing onset of his new movie and trailers for to bat shit crazy movies that should not exist. All that and more in this edition of the judge entered weekly for Thursday October Fifteenth Twenty Twenty High Ditches Gilbert Godfrey and you're listening tonight jock and NERD pod cash why I don't know all. One Spit. report. Hello List there what's happening? Welcome to the JOCK and Nerd podcasts where we deliver comic book and Superhero TV and movie news reviews whatever we choose. NERD my name is Erin my name's Anthony He's the jock he's the nerve and joining us. The Internet's favourite puppet and the creator of the controversial substance known as COMPOUND D. It's rug boy what's up rocks Stuffing out a nice say, I can do whatever I want. Deeper dig actually it's just grounded Viagra and mountain dew. Also joining US special guest straight from a voice from the underground podcast. It is none other than Jason Touch. WHAT'S UP BUDDY? Nice fucking. What does that early ninety does he? Go back to the Budweiser Commercial, the Budweiser. To thousands seems. Longtime. Anthony I'm surprised you remember that young young whippersnapper. East thousands that was twenty years ago when my prime. That was what he can. You're still in your prime buddy. My athletic prime. That was the two thousand right there Jason. Hawes it colon. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for inviting. We invited yourself on. Let's just get that out of the way. Yeah. But there's no other way I knock three times and said the password and Nobody opened the door so I just let myself in I. I'm glad you're here because you're excited to talk about the boy season two and definitely want to get your thoughts definitely. Will later somehow I have a feeling you know how I feel about it but I'll tell you later. Travel Jason for the listener that maybe has listen to the voice from the underground podcast. Give him the elevator. Would anyone want to? The. Same thing about. So for the the couple people out there who first of all I know we have a couple of mutual listeners. So if it's okay with Imron, quick shot to those guys break Blake Braid in I. Know We Love Blake Adam Morris. Love Adam a Chaz Jess Rivera. A couple others. So we have a few mutual listeners here most of who siphoned from you guys inside it's we've given you back maybe one But I I. Don't think. Tank runs the. Show me. Mikey either get my means so but for those who don't know voice from ground, we are the podcast where politics and pop culture. Coal Laid. So basically, what we do is talk mostly politics, but because we like a comic books and movies and Sports and all that jazz you know will will sort of look at the social angles of stuff like that and tie them into politics while we. While we talk about the political angles itself, we talk a lot about race matters issues around black lives matter and you know those types of things but we try to talk about them in a fun way and honest way with people who may disagree with us we do a live stream tonight actually Thursdays we do a livestream, and then we do some other bonus shit as. As well. So if you don't know who we are the smart thing to do would be to forget that I decided that at the second smartest thing would be to go check it out on Youtube or wherever you find podcast. I'll put a link in the show notes and it's a great show man. It's lots of fun to listen to and I'm happy to spread the podcast. Love. 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So I think all of them probably have some issue with it unless they're like Mark Phillips has it does smart with his with his wife. Yeah there you go. Yeah, my life is. Great, it's pretty much anyways I'm glad you're here to do the news with US Jason Dutch. Chocolate all. Right. Let's dive in. got a bunch of exciting spiderman three abuse. Facts I got rumors. I got confirmations of rumors not being true and then I got other rumors. The mean story the main fact doctor strange will be joining Tom Holland. In Spiderman three, he asked right old slender Dick. Bander snitch. Bill will. You know comer Benner Benner Dick. What's his name? That's not his name I, forget what his name. Coming my Dick. Back, the back cumbersome which defender I could never say his name. Benedict Arnold. Okay right. Away Dr Strange Spiderman three rug boy comment. Well. He man needs someone with the Goatee to help him jeff does he like Tony? Star. Another guy. With a goatee days, mentor needs to go T-. Mentor. Why does he need mental? MNT. Anthony Are you excited benders latches replacing the the Tony Stark. I actually am really like. We'll. I know where this is going. Okay. Where's it going in terms of the multi verse also? I think doctor strange and Spiderman have a lot of history in the old comedy. Absolutely. They have a great relationship both hang out in the city. Yeah. So it. It's not the shoot in iron man thing I I think I think it could work and I. I like to think they are building towards opening up the spider verse which. On the surface I don't like. But once we get to the rumors, there are things. Jayson Jason Dutch You know we talked about last week how Jamie Fox is coming back as electro. At this time he said he's not GONNA be blue. So now you got doctor strange electro next Spiderman movies does this give you geek? Lobby to lobby jog. My when I listened to your last week show that was the first time that I'd heard about the Jamie Foxx thing. And definitely would've been sloppy. Jack. But I think there's so many ways that they can do that differently and not do it so bad. At least Jamie Fox's fall. No, it was set that that went so badly. Yeah. Andrew Garfield was just a fucking horrible spiderman. So which is weird because he's a good actor. I've heard at least I've heard he's a good I don't like really. Like a lot of other other movies that he he's been in but I've heard from people like he's really really really talented actor and I'm like, okay I guess he was in some war movie where he was really good as far as this piece of news goes. I What K- what do I have to say wrong I mean this isn't DC. Every, and I love DC right. But like everything marvel has touched with apple of exceptions being maybe altron and Captain Marvel has turned. To gold. So you know it's why why would I not be happy about it and and also just throw this in there when I when I first saw into the spider verse the cartoon. I thought how fucking stupid is this GONNA BE? And it was so good. It's great. Right. So it's like okay I'm open to whatever they're going to do as long as Sonian and because this is my favorite superhero ball time Spiderman. Yeah. So yes, I'm in DC guy everybody knows that but Spiderman was always my number one and then everybody on DC after that. So what what am I going to do everything they've done has been pretty good. Even Venom wasn't like the worst movie I've ever seen. So you know it's I. I'm excited. I think that there's a lot of different places they can go and and I'm looking forward to it. I think face for is going to be really exciting with these things coming out. So I'm okay with it. Look if you experiments gotta have a fucking person from the MC you I do like you said Anthony I. Prefer the doctor strange because they kind of get along and remember that fun exchange. They had where he's like, oh, we're using are made up names I'm Spiderman Dr Straight like their chemistry will be great but I mostly excited about this multi versus another interesting thing has happened. They have flipped order of movies doctor strange to is now coming out after Spiderman three, it used to be other way did yes. Also Spiderman three also beginning to film in New York, this week like today like sued tomorrow. But then back up more I think Wanda Vision is where everything is going to start. She is supposed to be in the doctor strange movie. Now, Tom Holland's contract has them for one more Sony MCI movie and a Cameo I think he's GonNa be the doctor strange movie following this. So whatever happens in one division is G- is going to change everything and everything that comes out later is going. To be a multi thing. I also love remember Doctor Strange to directed by Sam Ramey who did the fucking oh? Gee Spiderman movies. That's a cool little connection So here we go with the rumors if this rumor. Okay. So big rumor I'm sure everyone's seen when all this multi for sheet is happening. This rumor actually states tobey Maguire Andrew. Garfield set to have signed on for spider three eight. Oh Rumor today Sony commented Representative for Sony issued a response saying these rumors quote those rumored castings are not confirmed. Okay. But I. Think it's interesting that they even commented on. This is because you want a Billion Dollar Spiderman movie again Sodhi you put those two fuckers in the movie. You will get hit the fucking billion dollar and more even covet you will get a fucking billion dollar movie. So. I'll start off. Yes because I feel like it. The fact that those rumors came out. Yeah. Rare. There's nothing that complete if that doesn't happen, everyone's going to be pissed off about average Laham like that is that even if it doesn't even if you don't like the spider verse and you don't like them being having multiple spider-man's and then the fact that they'd even that that is a possibility and they could do in just acknowledge that all those films are within can. and. So amazing. Even if the movie's sucked as a matter some you know some of them sucked, it doesn't matter. There's fans of all three of these different spider-man's to have them in one film faulk would that would blow up and Yeah. That would make a lot of money is this too many Spiderman I'll tell you probably a fan of this is the Dan Slot right. I was just GonNa go there. I was like okay. So. Okay Number One, I think this is going to happen but I think that Maguire is holding it up I want wants more screen time also spiderman for allegedly he was gonna get fifty million dollars. Do Spiderman for. So he's looking for paydays for screen time that I think he's looking for that in. Anyway. I hate. Spider verse. I hate it. I hate like that. Dan Slot wrote it right but concept. Concept from the COP. Yeah. The concept will Blah I. Hate all that Shit because why do you need to see like a thousand spider manages could dilutes the character in just like whatever. But like I do like the Miles Morales is coming in to it. There's a rumor that he's been cast Alex. So. I like that. Toby Maguire Andrew Garfield. Being there'd be cool. What capacity I don't know is going to be cameo isn't going to be actual scene with them. I don't know. Are they going to be an action scene together as a good? That's all points and I'm hoping that maybe it's A. Short Cameo at the end. I don't know I don't know what it's going to be but We'll see Jason too many spiderman for you. I love into the spider verse and this is a little bit different than the damn slot concept in that. It's beloved. It's Ophir Parker. Peter. Parker's right from different universes. Does this get you excited? It does because of the install of it in general I'm with rug boy I don't like that Shit that's why I didn't like the idea of right cartoon. Yeah. when I first heard about it. I'm all in for Miles Morales I. think that character very cool. He was. Really refreshing piece of the video game they are and but the, but like the thing is is like You have this problem with the flash, right like especially with like. And stuff like that where like they keep on going and doing these d'appel gangbangers and going into other universes and it gets tiring. And the problem is with it is that if you do it and then you do it and it's done. And that's and then you have some way that you almost never go back there unless something crazy happened. Then I'm fine with it because if there's multiple spiderman, there's ironman there's multiple falcons there's multiple Thanos is there's and they've already. Thrown the quantum realm into here. So not only do you have multiple spider verses but you have you have the possibility of different spiderman from different timeframes within the ant man can go grab the up you know. So we can get really fucking cluster fucked really fucking fast just like what Barry Allen's always doing always fucking shit up right it can get messy. Yes. So so that's my that's my word of caution but as far as like just if it's just this and it's just like hey. you know. We're going, to have Peter. Peter, Parker from the nineties Peter Parker from the two thousand and and this Peter Parker and then maybe one other one thrown in there. You know I'm totally cool with that. I think it'll be a lot of fun and you know I'm in for that but I'm not in for really anything beyond that. It's weird because you have all of these spiderman that are been around in the past twenty years, and that's because of the Sony deal where they had to make movies every certain amount of years to license the UP. So now you have this crowded Spiderman. Nostalgia where you have people who grew up. In this time that new all three different spiderman and it's weird to reconcile all the stuff because they if they try and do the things that they're going to be like treading over maven ready gone over stopped doing uncle Ben and they all that other stuff and they started changing spiderman and so they kind fucked up the whole thing by. rebooting it too fast like twice and I think this'll be a cool way maybe to like satisfy that or kind of maybe like bring some kind of synchronicity to everything I don't know maybe it's the whole fucking bad idea. I'm just curious. You get that same feeling from Batman 'cause the same thing with the Batmans also. What are we doing the thing? Bringing it Michael Keaton and Ben. Affleck. What I was wondering like rug boy does that diluted feeling fall into the Batman Universe with you to with Batman I feel like. Our because he ledger died and they in, they had this unsuccessful start up with the joker in the suicide squad that they never were able to actually. Do this yogurt. Then they made the joker movie. So they've gone to the well with joker too many times but there's other things that they haven't done plenty Batman of they haven't even touched upon and so there's room for that stuff. I. Feel like with Batman it's not too bad a, it's not as bad. Because I think. I the way with Batman is you had that first the opening movie with Michael Keaton, and then by the third movie he was gone. And then you had all these other movies that were bad and then then also the dark night in the dark dykes series comes out and that's like a true to form again, and now he's not had his own movie he's been A. A Cameo guy in other he's been a star and other movies but not his own movie there. So this new Batman is going to be the first time. He's had his own movie since Christian bail was that rise of rise in the dark. Knight rises was that command twenty. Twelve. So yeah, it's been a while. Yeah. BEEN A hot second most years. So I think the the writing is has to be really well written. Yeah. This next movie but if I think if they, they're able to nail a good script on this I think this could be. Very, very satisfying for super able to because you could. You can bring continuity to all these three different spider people spiderman and even there's even people that now that are like have watched this an followed by. Maryland why is there three Spiderman within twenty years? Yes. So like you can bring continuity to that, you can take all the best elements from all the different movies you can jump in between all the movies and you can have fun for one movie and then put the thing to bed. And put retired recycling acquire. Andrew Garfield Yeah. You'll. You'll. You can wrap everything up in a nice bow and you could potentially open up Sony to do the rest of their spiderman. Movies? You know you can even like we've in different villains, you can have Tom Holland visit. Aunt may from Toby Maguire's there are all sorts of fun little things you could do to like. Closed threads on things 'cause like even Spiderman three and the amazing spider man two there's like open thread all those movies that. His parents for whatever you say. Do. But you know. If the script is as well done I think this could be one of the most satisfying fills a fucking huge buddy baker a huge thing. One of the things I wanted to say that the spider man films, they they all I hit a brick wall like, yeah. The third one was a complete cost fog. The the second one like ended the franchise for amazing. So it's like the they both need redemption stories. So my only concern is the third rumor I have is that Spiderman three were reportedly introduced Dr Spencer Snipe, and the spider slayers that were commissioned by that means. So in amazing spider man two bj Novak played. Alistair Smythe what happens Jason Commissions Dr Smyth to build these robots say. They're spider slayers to get Spiderman. My only concern of all of this shit is true electors in it like it may be too much fucking things for one movie to put in one book is that what Rhino was? No that's different. That was like the Osborne based on animal experiments of could things deserve aspires waiting for the announcement of is them going? Oh, by the way Tom Hardy's this. Would be. The only you're going to get venom. That's the only way you're gonNA Venom and he's again what about A Green Goblin is too soon to do the Osborne again I heard that two miles was buying the event. That could be thing. So. Building up one more thing. I read this interesting article that was speculating what the next phase of MCI face four they were saying, could this actually be secret wars? Could we see battle world? Could they elements from the secours from the eighties and the newer one from the two thousands where there's alternate reality versions of the heroes fighting each other the beyond the got king coming you would need doctor doom and Galactico bring back alternate universe Tony Stark back into the MC. I this is. Where they're going I have no idea. I mean, all of these things are on the table definitely are and you want craven like are they gonNa do craven and to be confirmed for this? Bucks I might be too many hit might be too many listener. Let us know what you think. Join our facebook group. It's called. Jackson. NERD nation. It is closed exclusive just for you. We're all in their Jason Duchess hangs out in there we all post silly geeky things hang out with my weighing out hanging out with you and move on Fellas. Some big moves by Disney this week starting with another one of their high profile, Pixar films going straight to Disney plus hit and this time it's the movie soul. WILL SKIP theaters entirely? Him Site about this. Yes. Here's the thing I think they learned from the Milan not to charge people thirty dollars extra charge. Why are you excited about this Christmas Day on Disney plus the next Pixar movie and supposedly it's GonNa be pretty good. I saw the trailers trailer. And a might even get some in Oscar nominations. So I'm all in Mr Oscar will you explain what this movie about? Because this is a fucking crazy heady concept for children's Pixar animated movie. I don't really I don't really understand it's listening musician. Yes and like his body goes into the universe where they're creating. It's like their souls but they're create. This is like the beginning of people yeah it's it's dark. I think that's what it is. Right he he falls into this world where it's not heaven. It's pre heaven. It's bright. It's where the souls are born. Born and molded into people. So Jamie Fox is voicing this black musician who write about he's about to get his big break he dies. But on his way up the escalator to heaven, he jumps off because he wants to go back. He ends up where you said where they make the souls and he teams up with Tina face character and they tried to get him back tried to get a soul back in his body. But this is a kids movie that starts out with a death and souls Jason Touch you. You Act like you're surprise the Pixar does this. With the beginning of Jason Dutch knowing that this movie is about do you feel comfortable like showing you kids about the nature of the soul? Yeah. I I mean. The, they've done this before they did it with was it the one where? Not Up of the was it joy inside out. That one that went touched on that a little bit where they dealt with with with children having emotional issues. Yeah. You know and psychological trauma. that. Yeah. It which which which was really well done You know it was it. It made the movie good to me. You know and like it's that there was a there was so much of it that it was was very deep and like you can think about from your own most kids can think about from their own. Background and they still did it in a way where it was still fun kids movie. and. Most kids aren't gonNA. Catch on that until they see it later in life. But you know I think that Disney has a good track record with most of this stuff. I hadn't even heard of the movie until it looks at it's going to be amazing. So but it it looks I mean Tina Fade Jamie Fox. Go wrong with that. Right. So that leads into the bigger news that came on the heels of this announcement Disney new Disney CEO Bob Japex made an announcement that they have shuffled their executives major reorganization Disney to focus on their streaming products that are Disney plus Espn, plus and Hulu saying this basically theatrical releases are no longer a priority and after thought. This is kind of right now. Well. For now yes. In response to Kobe and everything, they are shifting everything towards streaming. This is kind of a big deal it's going to piss off I, feel like you said, they were planning on doing this anyway, but it's been accelerated. What happened is they formed at three bucket departments one for movies one for General TV General Entertainment TV Docu series one for sports the heads of those departments will make the content and then there's a distribution. Distribution, department above them that they will decide where the content goes whether it's to theaters whether it's to streaming as of August Twenty Twenty Disney plus has sixty point five million subscribers. This thing hasn't even been out a year that was their five year goal was sixty million subscribers. They hit that in what eight months nine months. So they're doubling down now the thing is they haven't given us shit for a year except for fucking mandatory and and Hamilton. And that's it. What's could we see original marvel and star wars movies now I'm curious. If they're not pre charlie if they're not doing what they do with Moulin out money, how do they like I know the subs help but how many how many subs is it is worth putting on a movie like soul which I know is probably pretty expensive. Any Pixar movie they've probably invested ally and we're expecting a huge return on that I mean Netflix's is still not making money and they have they've been around for one hundred, sixty, million subscribers. They still spend way too much and. This is the difference is that Disney owns all of its Ip all of the stuff that's on there doesn't have to pay. So everything that's all the subsidies are getting. The money in the bank for the yet distributors for the show. No splitting. Now after they bought Fox, they got a shit load of IP. To play with it seems like there's nothing on there though that there isn't that is the problem until mental lawrence coming out at the end of the month maybe it's that they're losing subscribers. Or that people are not sticking not signing up for it because let's let's be honest. all three of us on vfw. All three spot a subscription. Yeah, right. I think everybody did because it was sixty bucks for the year was the dirt cheap and all. So it's like everybody went and did that. But if you go to renew for another sixty bucks a year. After your yours up are you really going to renew like what's on there? That's keeping me renewing other than just having Disney plot. They can't keep the price. It's it's it's the promise of what they have coming up. If you want to follow the M. C. You heading forward you. Million Dollars off subscriptions. Or they will in the year. Yeah. I mean there numbers, they got a lot but do I mean our theaters going to survive? I saw another article AMC says they will be out of money by the end of this year or early next year. I mean I don't see how they can survive well, Disney come in and buy them. That's what's GonNa. Happen. Next is you're going to have. Yeah. Yeah. I have we been talking about this a lot just A group of friend of mine and. It's actually probably very podcasts worthy like I would not be surprised at all. If you know HBO bought like say cinemark bright and you know Disney bought. Just put out their own releases, and then maybe you know I don't I don't know how they would do that. But it's that's kind of going to be. They're not going to give up. All of that that revenue. So recently, how they've reversed the law that was blocking theaters studio, some buying theaters they have reversed that there is no law studios can now by theaters, this is what I think is going to happen is Disney is GonNa put just it's big billion dollar huge movies in the theater and anything else even like an man that makes maybe six hundred, thousand dollars anything that's not a sure bet is going to go all to streaming. So the theaters are just going to get maybe your ventures like just the bigger vendors movies. Everything else coming out at Disney plus that's what I think will happen is that enough to keep a theater open? I don't think so. I know. I just WanNa rate the fact that. They still going to get that money from the theaters. There's still want that money because people need to go out they spend money Bob La Belle, but you know it's the money's out there for them to take and they're not going to need as much. As the theater's need to run because they're they're just pumping out these movies just for the theater and then all the other stuff they're getting they're just gonNA rake in doe off of subscriptions subscriptions are bringing them a billion dollars a year without any risk it needs to start cranking out more shift. Yeah. What would you guys keep though like what it let's say that you had to pick to what to streaming streaming services right. To Strike, homeland is GonNa come on you God that's really hard. Okay. Narrow down to two. There's no way I'm I'm doing net flicks in ESPN plus. Okay. So that makes sense. Don't you get espn plus with Disney though. You can buy the bundle I thought you could only up to I didn't I didn't. He's picking you were bundled you could include bundle. Okay. So you're. SPN Plus what was the other one Netflix's? Okay. I can't pick two because I want the Disney Marvel I need the Netflix's for fun shows I need the Amazon. The boys. I need the Hulu because I want to ask. To homeowners going to Piss. Fund. To Buck. God, I don't know Amazon Netflix. You keep Amazon. I didn't even like those picks. Nothing. On. Amazon has everything that WHO has by the way Oh Netflix Hulu I can't pick still. This is where I'm going the boy Roy. What's your to? I don't know. I think I'll I would probably keep Amazon and. Amazon has a lot of originals they do, and so I'll just keep it for that and then probably. The most ship h memory Netflix's yeah. Okay. So I would keep HBO Max Out. It's a good one enough flex. Okay. So. Let's notice you nobody said Disney. It's for kids freely but I've to miss all my Marla not only is it for kids but it just doesn't have a ton of new stuff out if it had like first of all dizzy is doing this bullshit where making half hour series and not even giving you a lot of them. I mean they have the half hour series but like they did like thirteen episodes, fourteen episodes, fifty emphasis but they're like doing like ten episode theory boundaries are it's not a lot. It'd take them all together with four hours of content five hours. Like four hours of whatever yeah. It's it's a huge jack off not like it's not. You're not getting a real value for that pound for pound though Amazon. Does like at least eight to ten episodes our each. Yeah and there's tons of those things that come out as good. Sometime Hbo Max is actually really good deal. He'll get movies and series s and out. On his yeah. So it'd be this plenty to watch an HBO Max like I think those are the strongest ones. What's also very good now. So but you normal. Value there doesn't get. It'll get their want vision falcon why they're making shitloads of money because they've basically just opened up their vault of shit that they own already not only that but that's same. Shit is being licensed out to other companies like Amazon's got adventures and who's Got Marvel Movies Yeah Cartoons other people have that Shit. So they're making money over like stuff that they have in their closet. That's true. So it's it's ridiculous good question Jason Jason. I didn't forget about you. I know you're fan. I got DC stuff for you and I have for you Jason. Touch is a set photo of the Batman on casual Friday in a black road. For a picture of Harley Quinn and without a black one of the has resumed shooting in. This is England in London somewhere and tons of has come out. What do you guys think of these photos Batman, it relaxing his black robe is amazing. This is my favorite picture of all time. Is that that man? I think it's the stunt double. But the robe is just lovely. It seeps soft and warm comfortable shouldn't do Chinky much form. This mole Batman movie isn't doing anything for me when I say. For this I am because, but like look I've said this before and I'm GonNa say it again say it again it's not connected to the DC you I don't give a fuck I. Think it's better that way disagree I like that this is in its own universe and he could do whatever the fuck wants and he doesn't have Matt Reeves needs control he doesn't have to worry about. shoehorning some shit in and I wanNA see his vision. I'm Super Super Geeky Wilder for this movie that is not coming out for another year and a half twenty, twenty two I mean, I'll see it. I mean. I'm sure I might enjoy it but like I'm not like super excited for like how excited would you be if they said they were GonNa make movie not connected to the MC. You? Know like. I I don't think that I would. See. You sucks balls. Yeah. Why do you want to connect? DC. The, they can make and you'll get that shit when they make the flash. Change. Can turn what was the big thing that everybody got all up in arms about about not up in arms but like everybody was like Holy Shit about when it came to the crisis on infinite hearse everything was about a three second scene from Ezra Miller. Aren't even that good but it was the fact that he was there. Yeah. They see. Then had never been able to do that aside from like a nick fury but this was like a bigger deal that they're saying we are this is a multi verse. Everything's connected. I look I'll I gotta say the Makeup Fucking Colin? Farrell this person should win an Oscar just for make. It is amazing and now there's a screen shot where he looks like the penguin from the Arkham Asylum Video Games and I dig this Colin Farrell. Penguin look. Oswald Coppola. The Penguins Colin Farrell Look at that photo Paul Dana's the ridler and in the link here you see Zoe Kravitz as. Dressed up at this funeral, there was a funeral, a huge scene and you guys take a look at any of the set photos. What do you think Anthony Rugs thoughts? On Penguin looking like this yeah or the? Batman. I mean it's just crazy. That's Colin Farrell mean the guy at Bamiyan in a robe who it's hilarious. Much to say. I don't like Bruce Wayne's hair. You don't like the email slick down like nine. said on that he's looks like eight just looks like he's Galley started working out at all lifting weights. Mo.. William, O. A little email with dark makeup under his is. A little strange hanging in front of his ice. Bad. So there's another a Nick Carter from the. FUCKING God. There is ban filming in Chicago like they were setting up today I saw some pictures downtown. They're starting to put the set together to film in downtown Chicago, which is takes me back to when they shot the Nolan movies here and I remember I bike down there once and I peeked over the thing and there was like a row of bats cycles need. Like sitting there very exciting. I. Don't believe you know how to ride a bike. Do. Cross I, should I have enough He's got a pellet tone. The I got it stays in place the bike after move is that a problem the just cut assist stationary as they say then I imagine going downtown on video now anyway, the. News I have here Jason Dutch Hbo Max is one of the streaming services you picked. That's great because you have to cancel all the other ones and Hbo Max is there's more details on this green lantern live action series that is going to be coming to HBO. Max. They announced Seth Graeme. Smith is the show runner he is known for Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter, and the Lego Batman movie. He will be writing with Marc Guggenheim the first hour and the characters the main characters involved. This is where I thought was interesting, Guy, Gardner Jessica Cruise Simon Baz and L. and Scott Green. Lanterns kill log and semester. Oh, meaning nothing about your John. Stewart. Or Hal Jordan or even a Kyle Rayner which people don't even know probably. So now we're talking. Okay so he got. Out He. Guy Gardner is one of my favorites. Added to see Guy Gardner listed. People even know where the fuck that is. So Guy Gardner is like now I liked Guy Gardner better when he got sinister owes ring when he was a big Dick when he was a huge shoot death of superman timeframe as far as like when the comic came out. Yeah. was I mean hitting on ice and hitting on Maxima and you know just being a complete wad he totally would make a perfect boys character. He's the this. Yeah. So but Guy Gardner was awesome I do really like the John Stewart Green as well. I fucking always hated hell Jordan like when he became para lacks like in the comics and they showed that he was a bad guy was like good get that fucker you know because he was like. So boring. But I liked the Guy Garner thing I love the fact that they're that they're doing something with with green lantern on HBO. Max is like a live action series and supposed to be like very, very much taken seriously like game of thrones asked how they're putting it together and show running it. So this particular thing gets me a lot more excited than the Batman because so far we've gotten from from DC is it's not bad shit. But it's cheesy shit right like. Except for the first three two and a half three seasons of aero everything's been Kinda Corny. Yeah. You know the first tooth half three seasons of aero were good television right like. Like Lucifer is Lucifer's a DC property as well. You can have fun with it but at the same time it, it was to be taken seriously I enjoyed the first couple of seasons of the flash, but then it got way too cheesy, right? Yeah. So this is a chance for them to go game of thrones like with DC luck, Yeah Fuck, Ya I'm all fucking in. That's exactly what they need to do because really the boys beat, we'll talk about that later but they beat them to it in a lot of ways a little bit. Yeah. But there's but there's so much. They can do with this and greenlanders a great way to start it because he's like the cosmic police force. So you know maybe can start out there and then you can introduce us to some of the heroes on Earth I. Still think it needs to tie in DC you in some way, but they haven't really introduced that green lantern really in. DC You have. No they haven't though I think that the Snyder cut right might do that. Retro. Okay. So I don't know the fact that they're coming out around. The same time leads me to believe that they're going to do something like that I actually believe the Pants Obama was going to tie in some at revisionist history way including the joker movie down the road, but they but but it. But as far as this particular series goes at first like just think of all the properties that DC owned. This is the disappointing thing is that DC has so much good shit that they. Don't do shit which sit in the bed with let me ask you this year Green Lantern Fan the point Jason brought up is important in terms of budgetary reasons. Now Imagine Greg, Berlin tease the original cw shows like you said the beginning of Arrows fucking great. The beginning of flashes great. Imagine that ambition and passion which he clearly has this is said to be his most ambitious and expensive series yet they're gonNA throw HBO Money At this does that increase your excitement for this? What do you think? Yeah I mean I'm interested to see where it goes. I like that it's HBO and is not. CW. Obviously, writing, cashing or be a big play a big role in this but. I mean green lantern you can't. You can't skimp on that. So I'm still very even though it's Hbo I'm very curious how it's going to look is the epic epic story has a look. Look. Good. Otherwise, you're doing a story about space and people that are shooting energy protect each other let are different colors and if it doesn't look good, it's an immediately going to be cheesy. So I'm a big fan of green lantern. I was super disappointed with how green lantern turned out the movie. Yeah and they haven't really touched Greenland's and other than some references here and there ncw and then like a fleeting shot of a ring in Justly but other than that they haven't really gone back to it and it's a great character. There's numerous green lanterns that you can you can mind from. So I'm interested to see it. I just want hopefully the it looks good. That's the first thing has to do is look good. So I love that you got Jessica cruise the Latine ex green lantern he got Simon Baz. WHO's the Arab Muslim Green Lantern Alan Scott I believe is gay in the comics, the original L. Scott Green Lantern they made them. They made him get laid at Rugs A. Show or do. I like. Gauge. Leader. Into Begum? Daily. Later. what do I have to say about space cops. Space Cups. I don't think it's going to be like game of thrones I feel like that weird that the two things don't compare to each other I don't even know how you would even make later into game of thrones. You probably could. Write anything but like would it feel like Green Lantern I think relented is space cop show they do space cop stuff you know aunts that's not that serious faith cops. Yeah. It's like weird alien. Do. Far Like buggery Duggary. Quality and right now I'm sure that. I mean, we just watched a raised by wolves. Yeah and I think that they put a fair amount of money into that and there's flying in there shooting and stuff spatial out every episode right? It's like they they kind of like you know the kind of like a ration it out. So I think it's going to be the same. I don't think it's going to be a balls to the wall thing even the man delorean. It picks and chooses its times dance. The budget is going to be more Hesse Man delorean level. Yeah visually. Yeah fucking. Looks Tyke at go. They could go like battle star Galactica route though you know it's like that that's the same sort of like. Yes. That's not. Bad I would like it a little maybe a little bit more. Space Battles. It wasn't like a guy with power around covered and grinding around and making Shit and then having much aliens with prosthetics in all that other stuff because they're out of our space constantly alien lands unless they're going to base it all all around Earth, which me mega weird. It should be on our first of all it should be in space but we've seen them make the Green Constructs and the Shady Green Lantern Movie. Did it really work it kind of works I don't know that. All the weight behind it, a movie budget demore excess. I'm very, very dubious on it. To be honest with you listen budgets are important and for the listener I. Hope Your budget also includes several masks because you're going to need them. You got an to rotate them out. We have mass for you don't worry. visit our shop at Johnston Dot com slash shop lots of designs of mass to different kinds of masks, and there's always sales going on on public pick up a t shirt and some other crap. While you're there, we appreciate it promote the show, get a mask. Finally in the news follows got to fucking crazy trailers. Oh my God. I had to put these eight. I need to know your thoughts on these two crazy movies that are apparently coming out in the theaters like next month in November still have a release state. The first one is called fat man. It is an R. rated adventure. Featuring Mel Gibson as fucking Santa Claus in a disgruntled kids sends. Walt, coggins in a SAS in to kill the fat man hit you guys watch this trailer. Unfortunately what did you think Eddie? You wanted why are we reviewing B. Movies? This is amazing. I've never seen a darker take on fucking Santa Claus even bad Santa. Action the next trailer to really. I thought you'd like that even more. Okay. Thoughts on big hot takes on Fatman. I. mean. Come on. But it's authorized. Mel Gibson's movie it's not going to be. True. I want I'm in the mainstream. It's GonNa be off to the and init- niche film or whatever. So Yeah I don't know it's it's a weird as Vigliotti I might throw it on I'm tempted to check it out and I'm also tempted to check out Jitsu wait we'll get to that Jason. This be your new Christmas favorite movie throw on every year Fatman. So. I clicked on the trailer idea that you asked me to be. And about. I don't know. Fifteen seconds in I fuck you. Fuck that show. Why, why? Why why? Why did they make this? The Why do they? Like they made one a couple years ago like member they made that dark horror movie like Christmas related about this there was Francis and then like. Every couple years and you some stupid like silent remember in the eighties silent night deadly. Yeah. Yeah. It's like fuck you. This one looks like it could be fun to watch. Yeah, no. Thanks. I didn't understand the enthusiasm buying these trailers. Let's get to Ju Jitsu. How could you not think Jitsu? This is a movie coming out. Do. Nicholas. Cage. Fighting Martial. Arts aliens from space. What the fuck this based on a comic book actually twenty-seven. Count. Book. Of the same name It's got Tony. In a crazy cast anthony. Okay. I wasted time with this, but it's a nick cage with. Always. Absolutely off first off the title Ju Jitsu misnomer no one's doing Jujitsu. Doing. The JEDI. For another thing is you've got the director of like all the bad going five-over Mitri logo theorists who's done it. He did all the kick. kickboxer itself wasn't like yes. The best movie with all its sequels were straight to DVD this. FUCKING DVD's. You're like thinking because it has Jujitsu let's and has nick cage acting out of his asshole. Doesn't do Jujitsu this. It's fuck. This is a joke. In the enthusiasm behind either of these two months. Tony even in this was what of I- questions as like why is this movie you being ready to? Put It on. And then I'm GonNa shut it off within fifteen minutes Frank Grillo, you got crossbones I make a prediction. Yes. Okay. So this one looked fun I will say. But but but here's the thing nick cage he always has to be like. Important in like you know what I mean like at he played this role before in the the was it the source or the rebooted the Mickey Mouse Fantasia us the source or movie without kid from the Seth Rogan group in reserves. The where he was playing the wizard. Yeah but. He I this movie it looked fun. But let's be honest. Two years from now probably, not even probably eighteen months you and our we'll be talking about this move. As his so here's the victim. Here's the thing about that prediction Jason Dutch. Movies that we talk about have like some sort of relevance whether it be like a title like that. They just fuck you just made it relevant. This movie will be forgotten in two days after it's fucking release. I don't believe that these are these are still check their theatrical releases in November like. Who's going to fucking the theaters? Watch the Shit I wish they would just put it on streaming on the theaters with normal brain watch the show the. Only way to get attention like if this book came on streaming I can't say that unless they featured it. Yeah. That you'd even look at it and I could catch on get some cult like members, starship troopers like those a horrible movie, but it got like a cult following. So maybe I don't I don't see it I'm glad this frustrated everybody that was the point these are just fucked up need. Both movies that if I would have seen them come up with my net excu be like. I'm going to watch something. Just to see how. It out so On this right there fucking cried. Moving no fucking way. Any of these are actually gone. Away didn't even. Even, movies. These existed. Who who've a bowl? Shit I was just like, how could this exist crazy all right anyway good stuff. We'll take a break here play some promos. We come back talk about the boys season to write this. Hey, guys. This is venise and I've got a message from a friend of mine about my favorite podcast. 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This show created by Eric Kripke and is based on the comic book called the boys by Garth, Ennis and Derek Robertson on the show produced by the Boys Seth Rogan and Evan Goldberg we know of course from like preacher future man all the seth? Rogan. Movies. They are working on a teenage mutant, Ninja Turtle. CG Animated Movie. should be fun. On rotten tomatoes season two of the boys as a ninety seven percent. Higher than season one sitting at eighty four. Yeah. Really. What out. And let's just dive into. Our. Opening thoughts the plot really the season. One of the main things was compound V getting out into the public and being released in the media and how what reacted in the government and public and damage control amongst other pauline's. Brother and backstory. Storm. Front. The addition of new character. So lots of fucking shit happened in this amazing season Jason, we're going to start with you why don't you give me your overall thoughts in some favorite moments I don't know where to start just start at somewhere. There's so much shit to talk about so. Yet your absolutely right. This was just like it was a crazy ride now I will say I didn't I totally didn't even realize that there was like a short film so that I, haven't seen. So if you've got to spoil that's fine I I haven't I've heard that it's not it's like super not substantial at all. That's what I heard. Super Important out through the story line of the story now but I just realized that was out there yesterday I was like all at that. So but outside of that I mean I've watched every episode of this series for the first two years and like. This this season, they obviously turned up the like eleven and a half you know they went for Gore they went for shock value they they went for political messages. They obviously made some changes with some stuff to try to keep it more in line with I. Mean there's just the whole trump angle is just like soul resonating without this throughout this entire show and then even even the Victoria. Newman, who is based on a one of the comic book characters She's like Alexandria Cossio, Cortez like Yao a parody on her so it was super exciting. It was Super Fun and like it's just I almost got to the point where I was squinting the whole time because I was waiting for the next half explode or the next. The next person to die abruptly almost in like very it was it was like game of thrones almost in that or walking dead in that you know don't fall in love with the character because they won't be around for the next show kill your darlings no or sons of anarchy. All of those shows are like that where and this totally went around that and I was a very, very much enjoyed. There are a couple of problems, but but for the most part, I enjoyed it a lot. Is Victoria Newman also a woman in the because after. Okay Hammocks and I think storm front has also been gender world was a guy like he was sort of like Suzanne. Okay. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah. Which one is Victorian Victoria Newman is the congresswoman who was on spoiler. Eighty let's go to you overall thoughts this fucking crazy season. I liked it I mean. I thought it was a little little slow at first but. I didn't necessarily mind that. I will agree on. It it's still a good blend of what you've come to expect in terms of super over the top violence in Innuendo and sex and like all the things that don't expect of a superhero show yet as still has some comedy it still has some decent action has some references and things references to the real world and things to kind of think about it's not subtle in the way, it is to compare itself to what's going on. Now it's very overt in that. In that aspect I will say that like although there are characters that are dying I am getting a little tired of the fact that none of the seven. Really. In none of the main characters are done. not really well, a lot of the some of the seven are incapacitated but yet they didn't really die so low and I don't really have a good feel for anyone other than butcher and Huey on the on the main team on the boys. Yeah. Like mother's milk like. Rabbi. And I don't particularly like. Billy Butcher as the lead like Huey better billy butcher's character is a little. I don't know. It's not all that relatable to me. But overall I think I like the show a lot I stole like a lot homeland or still like the most interesting life. Anthony Stars. Amazing. The season as yeah and then you throw into Nazi in that last episode gets her ass kicked. His is just Is, awesome television. The last three episodes were amazing rugs opening thoughts. How fucked up his homeland now? He started out with the the milk finish. made out with whom self and then kill themselves. You end the whole series with him jacking off on top of bill. Over. On the. News. On whatever I fucking Like he's definitely. Like no one has moments like that. He's the carried to that ever had moment. So disturbing doppler Ganger scene where he's he's Mad, on still on, you're like what the fuck is going on and it's that Dude Dabo Ganger and then he turns it into homeland or himself, and it just starts flowing itself but. I'm going to you so good why steering your own is. but rugs overall the season satisfaction for you. Yeah. I think that I had lost faith in it. Somewhere around the third episode. Or second episode maybe me too and then at the last four episodes are taking because you WanNa? Know what happened. This whole thing about compound Vegan out it should have been a bigger deal and hope the homeland or Jenny on video like killing somebody that should have been a bigger deal and the kind of gloss over it a little bit and just kind of like neatly packet along. So they can move onto other stuff, but then like the other stuff is interesting like. There's a lot going on this season. There's a lot of disparate storylines A. So for example. Jason. They just cut him off. Yes. Okay. I'm GONNA stop you totally to ask him at someone else a question. Rugs can. I defer to the gentleman from new. York what what was the question it was like so long ago. I forgot what you were talking about because everyone. To know about it. Off I was talking about how they abruptly like just kind of switch the topic but then they they did include like some things that were interesting the relationship developing between storm Fronton in homeland her and that type of shit in like. So in that kind of kept it going a little bit so Back in, and then the whole thing would the mental institution that was probably like a place where they have and then they had that that chick was popping heads like a cure I thought she was gonna be the head popper. That's what I thought. Oh. Yes this big penis man like that. I'm glad. I collect. Hickman. Prizes that. Like a as I said like maybe narrowly wasn't the best thing or satisfying, but some of the character moments were satisfying enough that it carried it through to the end about fucking GEICO. Who is an SM hooker who gets lets people pay him to chop his fucking limbs off. And then he's like an extra gray and chop my dick off into. Like The first season I'm like, how are they going to push the needle on this stuff and they? They find a way they definitely find away with that and homeland or? Having the the the dude, what's the fucking guys name turn into a different people gobble gator dot com, and then turn back into himself like. I can hold that long turn look. Like. You know like for sure that homeland is like fucked himself before. He's Dick Sucked by. Himself so. If you're doing it to yourself. Yeah. Jason, did you enjoy all the the different storylines like? No there was the church story. There was starlight in her mom storyline. There's go at her brother storyline. So the answer is no there. That's really the only. So I didn't I was tired of the the deep talking to his gills. You know that was just like go. That's Patton. oswalt. That was it was funny for like a but like I found myself, not wanting to watch you know so it was just like all right I get that you're having these struggles at maybe they set it up as sort of like a Norman Oswald William Defoe moment where he's talking bruce over here in or something like that. But like I get that arc but then they they went and they they did all this stuff with the church collective and whoever the guy's name who was either Green Arrow or Hawkeye whichever. Whichever hero you WANNA say Eagle the Arthur Yeah Eagle I is that was his name Eagle the. You know and then they just decided to make him not You know part of the church with no explanation whatsoever you know it's like it. The whole FRESCA thing like what's up put the FRESCA They never explained. They won't because the guy's head's. You know it was completely just imploded. Yeah, I don't remember. The Church of the collective from the comic book I I. Don't remember that. Also I'm not sure if they're using him as like they have G. Force in the comic and you know maybe s obviously X. men were there by some guy, g. man is going to be the spin is. Going to do that looks cool. But but so I didn't know I didn't enjoy some of the storylines I could care less about starlight in her mother you know but but I'll have to fill that stuff up with something and I've seen eight episodes. Is it like it seemed short? I wanted more when it ended because they put out the first three and Then five weeks later and then it's over and then Kinda wanted more I would agree with Jason in that I think they actually in every episode, they were juggling almost too much assumed like they had four to five storylines going every episode the Church of the collective with the deep is the thing I care about the least for sure follow probably by starlight stuff. I, I like starlight and Hueys mind it so much that the Church of the collective I think was the one where I was like I don't I don't care about that I. Think this is fun like it's kind of funny. But need this much time with the deep trying to get back in there. Going somewhere with like maybe in season three, they're going to have the deep takeover that. Yeah. So. So maybe it meant something but as of the second. The elrod Hubbard version there. Once. You really get into like Storm Front and homeland or like that's the stuff reality. Oh. Wow. This is this is this is good like you every time they would cut away from either Storm Front our homeland or Even like when they were cutting the billy butcher really give a fuck about billy given Gal I. I don't think that guy's very relatable like his plan to go in and save his wife but then lied to his wife and be like I'll take the kid I'm really not GonNa take the fun kid you know she was going to say no like that was written so poorly like His plans were weird. I'd couldn't follow a lot of his deceased goes there and just. No problem just an asshole. They're like his entire time like, why does it follow? Jetties he just and he goes. Like a smart ass L. is. You throw like you're the man you're the man man you're you're the leader I guess because he gets shit done eight our maybe he or maybe his arrogance or whatever it is that seems to fucking Like kind of motivates people I don't know like you. We would be a better leader, the ivory man character. He gets the girl. Oh I, agree with that I. Just think that the reason why there is to kind of bounce off of Huey be the differ like the opposite of Healy I did love every type storefront introduce huey the reaction was this is the Guy We? Make calls. Sorry starlight starlight everyone is like this fucking guide. She's like Take Your fucking wink with you she. Calls of a tweak. It's great I mean I think billy butcher's. Biggest moments come at the end episode eight was insane. The very end of the show you know the whole sequence with billy and Ryan and storefront and that whole thing. That to me was the most like his best best earned shit was that last episode. That's our all fighting star. The three women were fighting store fronts. That was great. Girls get really great. That was that was you know infinity war type of? Battle maybe wave smaller scale that seems more buying. Yeah. Way more satisfying girl power moment to yeah. Then then what they did in Captain Marvel Yeah. Yeah we Yeah Yeah. Where they try too hard, it was a girl power moment and it was satisfying because they're all fighting somebody that they've they fucking hate in how they're. They're all. They're all the powerful people like they stack this the boys with all powerful women, right? So it's. It's great to see the ball unleash. Hell not only that storm front is like a despicable person throughout the whole thing she's. Playing on people's emotions she's under she's a Nazi. She's fucking racist. She's been around forever she's. Super Powerful, and then finally get like COM CA. MECO commune go. Yes. Can Punch one of the boys members and then Queen Maeve finally does something like it. That's a big moment that I literally was like, fuck? Yeah. This this is an awesome episode now. And they don't even killer like storefront leaves. Then you have that moment where Ryan but maybe Kinda the MVP she saved starlight from. Black. Noir with almond joy. To thought, that's how you take down Black Noir. He's got a tree nut allergy. She saves she comes and helps them there, and then she saves billy butcher at the very end from whole blinder and she's not dead which I was surprised that storm front easing GonNa get like a general grievous version of. Yeah, they're gonNA use this compound V to re bring to life dead. SUPERNOVA. Book. Yeah. They were. Yeah, there was a there was a scene where at the end where they had Some news story talking about a fire spreading, and now we've all seen lamp ladder kill himself. But in the comic, he is reanimated by compound V A couple of other heroes of quote I use a quote heroes of this a couple of other soups that are reanimated and but they come back as founder of sure They only have like three percent of their brain function kit. What what? Do you WanNa talk about their so many places I can go anybody who's got something. I WanNa talk about FRESCA. Okay. What was the deal with the FRESCA I've heard this and I don't know how true it is but there was a cult that drank cyanide in kool-aid. Yeah that's. Where we get drinking the KOOL aid from right So. When you drink in the FRESCA, you're drinking the Kool aid, you feel their version of the. explained it a little bit and I love how Edgar is like it's just a theory. It's not like a go. It's ambiguous but Edgar smart they offer a FRESCA. He's like I'd never touched that it's horrible. But I do at the end when the deep goes fuck price guide and finally just get so frustrated. But he would or if their sales are. Up Christ. Is it FRESCA, like a real brand or type of you never had a FRESCA brags come up. I had a FRESCA again here it was like a Wasn't in can like that it was just like you order it I liked it and the CAN. Sounds like you belong kicks isolate that audience. Okay, what do you think of? Homeland or trying to be a father actually. To. Ryan. Was the Ryan character interesting. He's like Breitbart is this kid bright burn I don't know it's I. Don't know what they do in the comics, but I feel like he's got nowhere to go but down. So you got to put this kid out. You got to take him out in fact, billy was about to kill him and I was like good. You GotTa take this kid out right now we'll billy decides to want to be a part of his kids life echoes. Early on in the thing in the show, he's not getting love anymore. So he's looking for someone like they promised Becca. Also only he's not even really doesn't really even care about son all he wants is to be loved. Oh. Homeland. You Steadily Sorry. Yet at least sucks I'll tell my home. Yes. Homeland or wants to be loved. So even at the end, right like he has a chance to be with his kid. Just killed billy butcher, but he just can't sell. You just can't walk away. From a millions of people loving, that's his Kryptonite that's. He just he's such a fucking interesting character because there are like parts where you're like. I can see how he got to this point. I had a fucked up childhood he was abused He was born in the lab you never had anyone to support him and he grew up you know. Unfortunately, if people had superpowers, they probably would end up more close to the boys than they do and up in marvel. So I definitely relate to. That scene where he imagines layering the crowd once they turn out. It so well, because I was like all, he didn't just we just sit here and talk about homeland receives the whole shit like when he is supposed to be a buff flowers for. Front for her and he's waiting for. Himself he just had to have a freakout. Burner, he could entrust her pardons trailer dial. That's right because he's just like we trusted choice. He went to tower and not laying there does not like to be lied to. He's like every every the crazy thing about homeland her and this is where like you know of I believe that they are using. Our president as a model I really believe that because they're the the homeland. Is An asshole. But he's not this guy and you know it's and they've added so much with the America first and like putting them at the Christian conference and Yup in in season one reflects down and he's talking about all this and that but the thing with homeland or is he has to have you he has to be front and Center Tim. Number one now yes have the top numbers be thinking about me. You know when Got Remember the blonde lady who he he burned rattle. Yes well, when when she got promoted, his first question was was not his the first thing out of his mouth in that last episode was not oak congratulations. He said wait you're still my no you're still my day to day. Yeah. Right. Like always about me it was about him with with storm front where were you how come? I didn't know where we're at. and. That's why may was afraid of him. Yes, and I love how this whole season his leadership is being challenged at every step from Edgar from fucking Storm Front Until he finally she gets his Dick and get control of him and he he needs her help in the social media. Can we talk about The floating sex scene, and all the feeds with Homeland Ed's storefront guys head gets squished one of them and they're covered in blood some crazy sex scenes I've never seen on on the show. Raved. This you know what's funny. This season on TV shows they've had a bunch of crazy sex scenes. So there's floating succeed in the boys raised by wolves also do a similar floating sexy, and then if anybody's watching fucking lovecraft country on HBO, I'm not going to spoil it but there is one of the most disturbing fucked up sex scenes I have ever see hit on a screed is in lovecraft country season one just take my word for. Yeah It's it's it's like Oh my God. I. Also Love How these guys are. They're the stars of the movie and you saw a of them shooting the movie and how it's a straight rip off of bad. Maybe Superman and Justice League and there's live where later goes. These just rewrites really sing and fucking. Hit a little dig at justice. Yeah. But the fact that these guys have to be actors I got a question for for Jason Seeing as he is from the underground struck. What reference to what's going on now? Did you enjoy the most in the show? Well first of all. I think that it's it's interesting. You ask that because. This show did a really good job of sort of pooping on on on both sides like they storm front is clearly like an overt racist, right like she she. But the funny thing is her per her public persona was almost that of like a progressive era. Yeah. The woke with the shaved head absolutely. So She was like you know. Talking about adding well, not really. so much of Care Karen because she. But what she was was she was like. She was. Exactly you thought she was fighting the corporations and everything like this but she was. But what she was doing very deep state ask an way is fighting for this this what she called white genocide but the the funny thing was is when she mentioned like when she gave her thoughts on like. The race war on that's going on in. America, Ray Al.. This the little boy, she's tone him she's like. People hate us because of the color of our skin, it's called white genocide and then. To homeland and he's like. Talking about it obviously, he's on board with a lot of it because he's like, okay, I'm he doesn't. He doesn't think it from a race angle, but he thinks of it from I'm better angle and I'm white. So therefore but when he hears that he's like that's fucking crazy but he doesn't say anything now she's extreme for him. Yes. But that's the thing that is the the the the the thing that happened so much in our society is that when people hear something and you are in the group that just you might raise an eyebrow but you don't actually challenge it. Yeah. That shine a light on that specifically because of that is that is exactly what the problem is right now in a lot of a private rooms in this country is majority maybe exactly if there's nobody speaks up, then it's okay, right. So but I really enjoyed that they did that with her I kind of wish they weren't quite as overt about it in a way because. You know I think that this is a series that you could enjoy if you're trump supporter. Yeah but. Things like that. We'll just make them immediately term. Literally a Nazi will then. And like I think you know it's not subtle show when they were like she goes you you. You don't need everyone to like you. You just need an army five percent ten percent of. It is. Like. Oh They're just going right away into the like just rallying the base trump rallying his base and that's what they did with the memes right? there. Austin them. Really. Fun, though because like that's how both sides communicate right they they deserve circle everything into a picture and it's like this is how the things are. It's like wait a minute just fucking picture. Yeah and if you think about it, billy butcher is almost as bad as homeland around the fuck inside they're really he's fucking killing people and and being crazy and you know sacrificing things for his own agenda as well. All right I mean if. The other side of it you guys think they're setting hughie up to be like the new leader of that team like. Is it. Sort of seems like that's what where they're going I. Don't know what they do in the comment I've read the first for maybe twenty issues of the boys comic book that would put me like halfway through the second omnibus super thick by the way while i. GotTa buy this. It's really good at different I. I'm trying kind of curious as to where they're gonNA go with Hewitt's character. So the other thing. That was loved. That's kind of real life. was that dude the beginning of episode seventy watch get radicalized by the storm front videos and the constant of media and then shoots the fucking convenience store work. Out of every day to work all all. that. That part of that episode was legitimately like. Almost too close right. Almost too sad of a moment. So close. So Jason Let me ask you this specifically because he forwarded the article from slate that I have in here about the fact that Victoria Newman the big bed that was popping the heads isn't ale see analogy. Stand in what does that what does that saying to you because now Victoria Newman she is planted there by Baden Edgar and they kind of set this up I went back and watched some things. The first episode that Lady's head blows up the next scene had cuts to Victoria Newman on TV. Edgar is constantly watching her on TV every time they go to him, he is working both sides she's going to be a soup is going to be the head of the anti soup fucking official thing. But what is this message turning see into an evil soup? All. The funny thing is if you take what they did in the comic in the comic, that is exactly what is the case? is the vice president United States. So I guess that gives you some future on what her? Eventually. But the. But. The I don't know if they're going to do this but the but in the comic, the Vice President United States is like head of that the soup department but the the the message that they're giving you is because she's such a clear parody of AFC down to the speech down to the ethnicity down to the lipstick. Yeah. is that. The people who you think are good. probably not on your side either. No you know it's it's something that you that we look at a lot when we look at the angle of things as like people will say, Oh, you know you're Jason you're such a true. Blue Democrat this that this that and the other I'm like dude I you when Joe Biden gets an office day one I'm going to start. The. Light on him. Yeah. But that's the message with with hers. I think like hey, both sides are fucked up. This isn't just we're not just taking one side here and saying look at all the shadiness of of homeland or to beat slash trump the other side you might not see it but there's darkness there as well. Drinking FRESCA over there? Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Their own. FRESCA's every club. Also, like everyone has an agenda no one is in this role twisted reason. Yes. Well, show the really the only people with a good heart are the boys if you think about it, no hueys in it for good rebel butcher. Mouth. May. Be. Huey. Got Good Hunches. Frenchies in it because he felt like he he like led his, he'd let the team down right right. Well, a billy butcher who's the leader is not in it for like he's doing it just for himself from for the most but I think he. Even. At the end, the kind of redeems himself in that way a little bit. Yeah. But even start like killed a dude isn't that carjackings here mean to and she's like I'm a fucking killer now like billy butcher. Yeah, they kind of glossed over that too. Yeah. You never went back to that mysteriously the that's the thing it's like These guys all are trying to do the right thing the boys because they they know that this is out of control and the has to be stopped. Because, how do you have a world full of soups that could just do whatever the fuck they want you need to control them? How does? How does even control it at as Point Mike? All it takes is one of them. Yeah. Like that's unstoppable to be like fuck it. I'm GonNa take all of the V and I, make my own army. Yeah and we're GONNA fuck and take over this whole planet and just Jack off people. Allow a lot so that seat I remember reading season one there was a scene Amazon told them was too extreme. They were not allowed to put it in and that was the. Listen than they blew it because they should've had him. SPEWING ABLE LASER OH MY GOSH Hose. slotting. Windows Lack Snyder movie, it's cutting into buildings and. All of a sudden like someone's driving in. The car and like Burns through it right Now, the the Empire State building ripped in half. Lander. Kids it's ecstasy. Then big demand comes in grabs it and tries to put up a reminds me of that mallrats seamers Superman. Blow a Halter Shotgun and Talking about you can't have sex. Can't have sex with lots was that homeland that homeland Jakov seen to if you if you watch the scene especially when they cut away, it's a complete, not really rip off but they're they're doing that famous it's in the mood man I'm. against. On the. With with with the bat symbol in the air. But in this case, obviously, it was just homeland. whacking his. Beating up on Elvis the I imagine that Batman is also jerking off, but he's doing it very very calmly in the in the shadows. Bill Batman. American psycho. There you go. Don't just stare at it. Eat It. That would be that would be exactly who will be like imagine of Christian Bale's character from American Psycho was actually Bruce. Wayne. That would that's kind of what you guys eat. Dexter meets Batman kind of thing going on. The real killer babbly. Look I. Appreciate this show for actually introducing all of his crazy shit like mind. Somebody. Some fucking. Wacky. Dip. Conversation we're having its Vaki. It's one of those shows where like. I kind of enjoy how act it is just that. So it's it's wackier than even like umbrella academy absolutely it pretty well. Yeah. But it's one of those things where when I tried to introduce the show to someone that. Doesn't necessarily like superheroes or maybe doesn't like. Is a little bit more conservative after like really prefacing go. Rob This fucked up show. This really fucked up. To be able to like but. That's Why I love it. It's so walked. It's tongue-in-cheek fucked up yeah yeah. I've been having. It's funny. You say that because I've been having I told my wife I'm like. Babe, I want watch the show. So. Like she's never watched before and she's trump supporter right? So she's and she's not really into like dark stuff like she loves marvel like loves the marvel movies not such a big Fan of DC movie except for wonder woman and like she's she watched the whole season God, bless her soul but she like I really didn't enjoy it. You know she's like I didn't like the fact that who the guys were good earn really not good or is supposed to be good or not good you know and. The heartache do yeah. But I'm like. Well, that's Kinda. Like the way the world. That's real. Life. So this is a better reflection on real I don't like real life. Hey, this is the thing if you have a guy that's telling you that he's good. If you have a guy tells you these BC shit he's probably GONNA be okay. Just like because he realizes easyjet well, point that's a good. I didn't even mention the porn that they were watching that episode they shot actually shot all this port and there's they're trying to. Get. Seth. Rogan Evan Goldberg. One, and other followers, Anthony Star want them to release the porn on Amazon. Video as. The seven. Day It wasn't. It wasn't solve cord into. Were you watching? Your point I looked at it. That's not going to release I. Think it's Hilarious that they had to film that though for the show like that's fucking great like just think about being on a Saturday, what are we doing shooting the puck and porn movie all of a sudden in this movie none of the characters the. Spoof so great. I forgot some of the titles were hilarious. The deep good does something callous I forget spotting. Style I think they said the. Attention to detail in the media they show in the names of movies in this world the way the world is built the memes, the posters everyone has it's so fucking good. It's so perfect you. fleshes out this world and it is a little too close. To close you guys watch euros now I did. I watched heroes. Yeah. But I don't remember it. I just remember that was the guy that the horn rimmed glasses save the trillion. That's all you later save the world. I just see a lot of parallels with the in a lot like especially like when they went into the hospital to you know and they had like the guy with the Super Long Weiner, Yeah Dick and like all these guys that are all jacked up in there. That's they had know similar type of institutions that were being kept. By the company and Heroes, it's like they they took this element. It looked like of the company from heroes which they I can't say they stole it because you know this was written the comic books are back from my sex but there but there was a lot of, I, think dragging around the same track there with heroes that I personally thought was cool because I like that show but but was you know I guess if nobody else here, watch it then I'm just kinda talking myself and jacking. Listeners Watch. How many seasons of it was like three or four? Oh I think I stopped at the second. It was a big thing for me in college and people would get together. I Never Watch I never. Stopped after season three, I would watch it. I think I watched the first episode and I was like all right I. Don't know why were the guy the bag woke me. Well the horn glasses was noah bennet, the was the bachelor. Gabriel Gr-. So that's Zachary quinto played siler. Oh Yes I'll tell you this right now one of the most bad ass villains like fucking ever. Yeah. So he was just astonishingly good in that role and he could just go to a here on take his powers by eating was brain. Now you know very sadistic in its own right but yeah, it's this this series skull they'll go so much further than anything that they. That they talked about with that and things I, really enjoyed was Like when they would bring in a new hero, enjoy us about the comic to like you know when they bring in a new hero like the they had a complete A, rip off of like Hawkeye or Green Arrow. I'm not sure which one with with with Eagle. Name was and then what's his face? A daredevil I mean a complete daredevil black line off with no no. With the guy who homeland or boxes ears. Oh, the the differently abled guy that. Blind spot that was. Ghost Hunter. So he does not. He's like this just the he boxes, guys, ears because let me ask you something what happens if I do this and he's like just fucking useless blind guy was up hockey. He's not like Eddie kind of difference. No. No it wasn't the it wasn't inclusion. It was the fact that home homeland doesn't give a fuck about inclusion but he doesn't. He doesn't necessarily dislike inclusion. It was the fact that lady did it on her own. Everyone wanted he put that lady in the PR position or whatever role she is so that she could answer to him Oh, she had a talking to Chicago. A fucking Asian. Oh No that he was that he was a block blinded man no he didn't care about that. One of to say I agree the guy she did it on behind his back. But yeah, she was pleasing unlike Oh. Member yeah diversity. This'll be great. It's not I. Don't think he's a racist character that's not the point. All know he's he's he's just he's about himself. You like me he doesn't care if you're black or Asian as long as you like him. Who's that remind you? Oh Yeah. Let's go. You guys. Yeah. Again I love the use of music at this season they did a great job and I'm glad we finally they explained the Billy Joel Music I love Billy Joel and the story about his mother's Nice maybe we'll see his mother next season couple things about season three it has been renewed black noir will be back because they said, he was recovering and storm front probably going to be back but they've added from supernatural love the Trine on allergy treated at fake some towns fucking black bad s but Jensen Echo swum supernatural. We'll be playing soldier boy who in the comics I believe it was one of the original. Soldier soldier boys in it. Great. This is their captain America And he's of the original team of what supers apparently. J. J.. Watt supernatural. It'll. Yes and no, it's. My forementioned bride. It's her favorite show. She's been watching it forever. So I catch a lot of it because she's it's she likes to watch it as like background noise I. Ended up seeing a lot of supernatural, but I wouldn't say that I. AM that super deep into that world but I do think it's it's Ok a facebook group binge watching it apparently a bunch of people the JOCK NDER nation. But that's just been on for like fifteen years of one more at sixty year season finals. Guys look the same age. I know it's amazing I. Don't know how this shows been out for so long, but we'll see that. So season three is gonna who knows when that's coming out next year's GonNa take a while. So I'm going to read the books in between. Any final thoughts before we the season I want to know what? Did they confirm the G. men that Jiman- Yes? It's announced that spinoff centered on a superhero college has been fast tracked into development and it will be described as being part college show part. Hunger Games. It set at America's. Exclusively, for young adult superheroes are rated and they're saying, it's based on the team from the series that is a parody of the X. men. With. How does the how is it a parody of the experts? It's just like a team The guy who runs it his name is like. Golah or something ab in between the seasons. I don't know they just announced the spinoff maybe yes. It's a separate show that will be on whenever they fucking whenever they can shoot things again I guess. I guess. I guess and I will say the only thing that I think is important to know about the G. men is in the comic they're they're the moneymakers Oh, like merchandise wise way more money than the seven really. Interests avengers versus the X. men all of sudden. Now, we'll have to see because I'm. Like when it comes to marketing and sale stuff like that, the G. Men sells the boat. Well, Edgar repeatedly says throughout the season it's about the bottom line. That's it. All care about is the buddy whatever you gotta do it's about the funding bodies. It's show business rugs give me a number. What would you rate this season? Did you like it better than season one? I don't know. I'm going to say seven point. Oh. Seven point five. Yeah seven point five really. Anthony you react like that's what what's their reaction to that low. The audit then what are we? He. Seems Lo. Okay I like this better than season one. No. Really. How. Yeah because season. One was season one. Yeah. I was so. Season One had the the the new factor of what the fuck in my watch houses Grazie. Okay. season two was still good. I found it to be satisfying mostly because of the fact that storm front was such a fucking awful character in in in all the best ways that you can see her get her up and send the end made up for a lot of. The things I didn't like in the show namely being the first one being bullied billy butcher just not being all likable but overall I still like I still like the show I still think it's very satisfying. I liked the references to what's going on I do say I do think in season three that kind need up to stakes a little bit in terms of or. What happened here that was really crazy. Let's good point. The only person that died was the wife of billy butcher who we barely saw like I don't really care about billy butcher's wife So like I feel like one of the seven like one like either someone in the seven homeland or or Queen Maeve or even starlight needs to go or someone with the boys needs to like eat the dust they killed translucent. That was last season. Last and lucid was into APPS DNC. What's But overall I'm going to agree with rugs I'M GONNA go about seven point five. Somewhere around there. Okay. Jason Dutch as far as a rating goes I think I'll probably go around the same I'll go with an eight. And I'm using season one as a barometer for that because season one was like a nine and a half you know. So it's like it's This wasn't like game of thrones season seven where I'm like. Urinated. All Hell you know what? I May yes but it's I definitely. You know I'll I'll say an eight and I think that they laid the groundwork for a lot of stuff that can go a lot of different places but I'm totally with Anthony you know you need a Thanos level threat when I say that I, don't necessarily mean even. As, far as like a someone to come in as a villain with powers. But even if it's just the money related threatening, that's the men who knows but they need something where you almost feel like there's got to be a point where they gotta turn together like maybe the boys and the seven have to figure something out together to beat something that's threatening both of them before they can turn back against each other You know that's what I'd be looking for out of season three I think that if they continue on with this particular storyline a unless they come up with something that I can't think of you know with just yeah we know homeland is assistant faulk you know but. What's next? Is he going to become more sadistic I don't I don't think so so is he going to become more of a twinkie? I don't know So it's but I do think that I I would like to see though them do more of the backstory like and maybe like a lost fashion where if you remember that show used to go back to show us a little bit from the past story Frenchie that was it. Yeah and I liked that with Frenchy I'd like to it with the female. I'd like to see with maybe with with hugh mother with you. But yeah, definitely with mothers wealth because he's talked stuff he did and even with Queen Maven. So, that would be something they could do as well but all in all I thought it was really good i. Except for the Gordon this of that one scene where I just. That's the problem with that one. Within in Congress is like mate I was literally waiting to close my eyes the rest of the two shows because like I I was like, okay. Who's anybody could literally at any second have their head to cut through the deep and he's like holding his head he's like Oh Yeah and it's very realistic. Now, it's not like the cartoony bullshit. They pull at the end of Kingsman Oh shit over here and put a on kingsman. Don't get mad I. I. Like that idea Jason if they're not gonNA. Kill someone I like the idea of in the third season making this making them have some sort of uneasy alliance that was the changed the formula right now. Right it's interesting you you've gone through two seasons of the boys versus the seven. Yeah. With like little moles within the seven but that can only go on for so long before you're like, okay. Well, there's got to be a resolution here I'm glad you agree I could be it could be storm front like because remember who she looked when she was laying on the ground. She. Looks. SUSHI's palpitation dude. Did. She looked like an elevator yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean. If she gets like something that makes her more powerful more compound v year like robot parts who I, don't know you know but like she could be that person. So you never know who Tristan I just remember remember Meka rips that Dude's face. Earth Amazon damage. To it. She rip that Dude's face off in front of them is passbook. Okay. So this season again, wonderfully subversive and cynical and Just fucking the Holy Shit moment. That just keep coming. I loved I kinda liked even with the first season. I can't right now I like it a little bit better. I can't I gotta if I go back and watch the first season I may change my I want to give this a nine. That's a fucking I have really tired of this fucking season. It was crazy. I want more when it ended I didn't want it to be over. So. It falls upon the strengths of the flu season. Yes. Anna it builds on that. So without on Communist thought it's strong. So it's cumulative. Yes. Yes. Brewed. I. was like, what seven point five? How's IT feels like? That's low low because I give I wanted to give it a nine. Give it a name. You always like things more than we did. Yeah. I always feel like when I listened to your show that I take rose scored how Imran's score average them out and that's general. That's that's got everybody covered. Head how it works. Great grain lower than me. Is bringing the curve down a little bit. All, right good stuff. Let's do some use of the nation. Or News. H. Took it stinks it stinks David Zeka checking in guys. He's got comments on our Lord of the Rings Fellowship of the Ring, review. Specifically. When Anthony Remember, US can wizards die? David Zeke it says, the wizards came die they live longtime Sarramon kill some as I recall token wasn't World War One. So Man's evil side and the horror of war or themes influences along with his devout Christian beliefs. Thus you get an unlikely Messiah figure, the movies are dense, but the books have even more elaborate history. The extent of Tolkien's world is really mind boggling he created Millennia backstory and a whole languages for the race of beings, which is true and crazy like languages and flowers, and every little detail I just like how he starts off, let's just trails off into some other thing. Okay. So what he said was wizard skin die they little long time. Yes Wizards die but what I did discover I went in and out after I was asked a question by Anthony is gained off human and I was like. I didn't really know the answer to be honest with you. I was Kinda Thought I. Knew It. So I went and researched it in Gandalf his actually a Maya, which is our our our beings that are God's almost like like four is a god or whatever. Okay. Oak Demi gods or whatever the super powerful in the very hard to kill, and they can be contained like the their souls can inhabit other beings and stuff like that and So they're they're like beyond human. Go moving on Chas. Hubbard. Says laughing my ass off Anthony said quote I'm basically Ruben poulains. Maybe pick a different guy. Next time you're trying to analogize your film snob Grad. My Dude have you ever looked up? Do you know what Roman Polanski has done? What he's really? Oh you do. You still rosemary us know what he's. For famous. These sorts of things. I'd assuring Tate's. Movie. Through it in there that's pretty much it Okay. I'm just saying if you didn't know you bring up the Roman Polanski. Plans. He's sticking to it. Finally we got an email from our buddy from down under Australia West Cranford yanked from down under he says, Hi guys, congratulations on three fifty. I agreed with what you said in regards to Lord of the Rings. All three movies are ridiculously long, which is why I rarely watch them that being said, it was huge at the time for fantasy fans because nothing had been done to the scale in a fantasy epic tolkien similar to Herbert in the death that he put in their stories huge huge backstory and history I know fantasy is not for everyone, but it's really hard to do, which is why I was surprised and pleased with the first four. I thought Jackson's thriller. Comma there far surprise with the per store Jackson's trilogy is done superbly, fairly true to original content two towers has the epic battle scene that modern movies all model after please review it but Anthony, for fuck sake watch the screen or not at all. Polanski seriously, what ll you heaps Wesley? have you watched the two towers either any? No Oh, you haven't watched. Did how are you going to watch? Maybe but not not not anytime soon tonight. Not So Let's just lied into finish with some quick. What are we watching because I did watch the two towers and I want to review it it's fucking. It's. It's it was good. It was amazing I. Mean I remember Iran Shit. I remember I've been talking about Lord of the rings being never like to yeah. That'd be doing this podcast and he's like I hate those movies they just walk around and they just. Running around to. See do walk around a lot but they. Won't. Get anywhere don't have cars. I think. It's thicker take wheels that they did listen I misremembered remember things I can change my gut dame opinion I did remember what I loved. What? I. Use this loves it. Now, the Gallup stuff in the Helms deep battle is fucking made. You are you gonNa Watch the second one ever me? Yeah. I I will watch him is just not on your time. Anybody wants to watch and big screen. So yeah, I told you gotta wait till. The ROKU GETS HBO reconfigures, on now. Google chrome cast and. Dollars. Oh. Okay. All right. They'll get on their eventually HBO. Max. Jason Duchy WanNA recommend. Something you've been watching. What actually when you said that I started trying to look up the name of it and I can't I'm not sitting on Netflix right now. So I don't know if I will the name of the the the show that I that I watched but to harm it. Mama's blind and sorry I've been. Coughing a little bit today probably collect Cova. Get Him probably got covert on the plane I'm saying to your house, but the there was a, there is a documentary series on. Netflix that's about a husband who killed his wife Oh. True cry and it's it's like it's in the recommended ones I. Forget it's like American murderer or something like that. It's called. And I have to tell you I, watched it and it was and then I killed. Until the last. Like two minutes. Yeah I can't. Really say if I would recommend it or not. Yeah but it was it was just like This picture of this, what you would think would be the perfect family and then just like seeing what's behind the scenes of income and that's really the only thing that I've. I've watched late other. than the boys though I will say. I have my my my wife also kind of turned me onto the good place I love that show and the good places is sort of enjoyable I haven't watched it in sequence. So like I pick up an episode here and there, but I mean even when I pick up an episode here and there I've been laughing my ass clever and it's a quick. There's only like four seasons. Five seasons. Yeah I think there was four and this is the final one, and then also I'm three episodes in Nicole Guy. I have to tell you. Worst acting ever by, but it's just terrible al around. Everyone I think everyone is terrible. That's not fair. However, you suck however. Despite. that a fucking loved it. Is Amazing I. Loved Him. It didn't need good acting. Like. It's just it's just this trip down the Stall Gia Lam like we talked about spiderman the and it's like it was just fun. You only three episodes in it gets better. I hope so because it goes on, I know season two like picked up by Netflix's or something like that. Season Three's coming out next year beyond the first two seasons where like Indy Indy. Right like your. Premium yes. Nobody had eye. So maybe it's better but I'm literally only three episodes and I watched two episodes like two weeks ago and then I washed up so yesterday and I was like this is some good shit I. I can't wait to watch the next one So that is what I've been A. Looking at lately, and I just think like the fact that he pulls up an old ask corvette. Like. He's just trying to hang onto his fucking his glory days man it's it's perfect. So it's fan of that so far there there's fucking great runs. What do you got anything? I've been watching this new thing I mean I watch a lot of Shit but like? this new it's not new. It's all digest discovered it. It's called zero zero zero it's on Amazon. It is a A mob drug cartel. Thing where the Italian mob boss the by coke from the Mexican cartel and there is an American company that's trying to get the yet the call to Italy, and you're basically following three stories following the story of the Italian mob, the people who are shipping at the Americans and the Mexican cartel allow and so it's a series TV Syria it's a one shot one, eight episodes. Basically a very slow burn, but it's it's very gripping. And even though it is a slow, burn your it's it. It takes play. You're hopping all around the world because it trying to get this this container full of fucking coke. Like, from America from Mexico to you have to go through Africa. So. It's a little bit about how they actually do it. Yeah. But it's like everything that can go wrong does go wrong. Yeah. Oh, that sounds. Like yeah it's pretty cool. Anthony you got anything else. I haven't watched anything new in terms of like TV shows or movies other than the boys but I have a couple of trailers. Okay. Making or Yang Anthony? Episode. Tiger King. what are you got a couple of trailers because I am a big Oscar guy now I. Love. Come out the movies come out and I think they'll be contenders. Okay First off trial. CHICAGO. Seven WANNA watch that we'll be out this week as this pope published on. A new trailer for the movie called Bank, which is odd David. Bank yes. On Net flicks that came out, there's a trailer for Hillbilly Allergy. On Fox as Glenn close and Amy Adams that's supposed to be really good. I saw that trailer. It looks good. Manque looks a little strange. I don't know if I'm GONNA like L. G. Ron Howard on Howard Monari even is a new eight, twenty, four movie I watched that trailer that looks fucking good. That's probably that might come out this year that's about a Korean family that immigrants to the US, and works on a farm. And they're trying to assimilate to. Culture but on the ball Juninho thing here. kind of a little bit. Zik Chung director screenplay. Yeah. So those are the three things I've recently seen and I'm definitely going to watch a trial is Chicago's them out already watched it by the time the time yeah. Me Too. Those are solid pick Stephen Union this is great they put out a Amazon has Robert kirkman invincible cartridges. So they put out a trailer and you see it's really bloody and violent and Steven Yeun voices the main teenager who's like has his father's a superhero and he's invincible that looks like it's going to be a great adult. Superhero. Animated Show but trial Chicago seven I'm excited to watch this week. Absolutely. Jason any interest in that excited for that one? Actually yeah. The I just saw the trailer for that about two days ago and I went to look for it and I couldn't find it so. Anthony just answering my question. Yeah. When wh-, where'd you find that? Because I couldn't find it but now I have the answer it ain't fucking out yet. That one that one is definitely something I'll I'll look at it and if and if stuff like that is up your alley there is a documentary that I watched a few weeks ago on Netflix that I would highly recommend especially if you're open to learning about like Culture Watch thirteenth I'll. Shoot. Thirteenth. Is really really well done. Do an amazing learned a Lotta Shit. You're like, Whoa what the fuck this shit has been happening Jason Thank you for joining us this week I know you gotTa, we gotta turn around and record your show tonight tell the listener where they can find all your stuff what you want them to do I need some compound V for tonight Man Compound d or The the D. Gimme the and. Do just that. D. D here, the compound end for the nerve. You guys can find me on twitter at Dutch Jason You can find voice from the underground twitter at via Fu, underscore podcast. our new one because the old one got banned by Dana Loesch and remove stupid twitter but but yeah so you can do. 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Portrait of a Family Annihilator

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Portrait of a Family Annihilator

"True. Crime brewery contains disturbing content related to real life crimes. Medical information is opinion based on facts of a crime and should not be interpreted as medical advice or treatment. Listener discretion is advised. I was in a really really really bad place and conference two friend requests from Chris on Facebook. I was like, oh what the heck? I'm never got to meet him, except a one thing led to another and eight years later, we have two kids we live in Colorado. And he's the best thing that ever happened to me and because of my health challenges because I got so sick. I let him in. And he only knew me at that time. He knew me at my worst. And he accepted me, and you know, through your house like through sickness and everything he's been there. He was the one that let me lay on him and fall asleep for three and a half hours on his lap. While he had a p he is the best thing that has ever ever happened to me. So with that being said, no that no matter what I can go on forever with a story like. I wanna cut it short. So I don't bore you guys know that no matter how hard life gets no matter how low you feel know that deep down like in your heart that there's a purpose. There's a reason for everything we may not understand it at the time. It's hard to understand it at the time. I'm telling you when I met Chris I pushed him away. I gave every excuse for him to run. I mean every I gave him an out every single day. I gave him an out. And if you guys know my story with Chris, you know, gave him an out. I mean, he went to my colonoscopy. I tortured him. I rejected him. I I pushed him away time and time and time again. But when I cancelled dates last minute because that's her life is with my health challenges, you cancel things last minute. And it's our. Hard for people to get hard for me to understand. But he stuck around and he stuck around because he was the one for me, and he is amazing. Welcome to true crime brewery. I'm Jill, and I'm dick case we're talking about today. More than any in recent history. Illustrates that we don't always know the people close to us as well as we think we do we're talking today about the case of a family Anaya later. Chris what's this case has been one of the most suggested ones we've ever had? I can't even begin count the number of people have written in or called in that want to hear about this. Well, it's a fascinating case. And it's so recent which will talk about this just so much to see as far as camera footage texts. Social media, you're basing kind of watch it happen in real time. A lot of it almost wrote. Yeah. Well, it was an August of two thousand eighteen when Chris murdered his pregnant wife and his two preschool age daughters. He then loaded their lifeless bodies into his truck and dumped them at a worksite. He was seeing later that morning by co workers and all of them would report that Chris acted totally normal as if nothing abnormal had happened. Investigators believe that Chris's motivation for these murders was his desire to start a new life with his mistress. And this seems true enough when you look at the evidence, but it's difficult to believe that this was the sole motive for the crimes as we delve into the lives of Chris and Shanon watts deeper issues are exposed that most likely played a role in these murders. There were serious financial problems. There was friction between Shannon. Her inlaws aspects of the couple's relationship reveal that Chris may have been full of rage and resentment for Shannon. So join us. The quiet end today for portrait of a family nyah later, the watts family murders. So once again, we're in Colorado, we doing disproportionate number of Colorado cases, I think it's just lately we've had a few not that I'm running out of Colorado beers cause his plenty right today. This fear was one that I had back in the flow late summer early fall when you were up in Colorado for you niece's wedding. And that's when this happened, actually, you're right. The wedding. Yeah. So this veer is called up about on his from new terrain brewing company in Golden, Colorado. We had a rehearsal dinner of sorts at the brewing company new terrain. Let's a good time. Speed affoil. It is beautiful Azaria. Yeah. And just one other thing before it get to the bureau view. Everyone knows it. Golden Colorado's recurs is brewed well. Yeah. They used to say it in their commercial because it sounds really familiar to me. Up in about as an American stout, and it's new terrains stout with us some coffee added to it which everybody is doing this beers, a very dark Brown almost black colour little teeny tan, head aromas, very nice as you'd expect roasted malt and coffee, aroma and chocolate and coffee, taste, medium bodied. Pretty nice beer, nothing special about this beer, nothing. Horrible about this beer. It's probably what I'd consider a little bit better than average. But certainly not extrordinary. Let's open it up. All right down at the quiet, and dick I'm gonna let you start us off as usual. Okay. Monday. August thirteenth two thousand eighteen Nicole Atkins and called nine one one in Frederick Colorado around one thirty in the afternoon. So Nicole told the operator that she had dropped her French. And then what's at her home the night before at one forty eight in the morning after they had returned from a business trip to Harrison a- an Ecole had not been able to get a response from Shinhan all that day. Although she had texted and called her cell phone repeatedly. Is they had some stuff they had do some work. Steph. Didn't they well she had an OBGYN appointment, and she was normally in contact with Nicole, Nicole or besties? Yeah. Very close. They're very close. Nicole's now standing out session and house with teenage son nNcholas, and she's knocking on a door and calling out to Shannon and getting no response. So nNcholas stood up on her car to look inside the garage, windows and social ends white Lexus UV in the garage. So Shinhan wouldn't have left the house with her two girls without a car. Now, they were a lot of things that were setting off red flags because she was always in contact, and they were close Nicole knew the code for the watts front door, and she tried to enter the home. But when she pushed the door it stopped after a few inches because it was latched from the inside. But in this glimpse that she had into the house. She saw Shannon's flip flops, and these were the shoes that Shinhan war every day, according to Nicole, unless it was a special occasion. She was wearing those flip flops. So she was fifteen weeks pregnant at this time, and she did have health issues as well. She had lupus she experienced an episode of hypoglycemia during the business trip that weekend Shinhan had also been very distressed during the trip Nicole said she had to push fluids and food on Shanon Plukas or S L E systemic lupus erythematosus is a autoimmune disease and by auto immune diseases is a disease where the body's immune system fails to recognize it self and attacks different tissues, different organs. So things kind of go. Haywire can be really really serious. It can be life threatening the biggest complication from a morbidity standpoint is kidney disease. So you can have kidney involvement to to the lupus where you end up in renal failure and actually need a transplant. It's not good. The. The other thing that lupus, mainly desert rose likely to give you joint pain and arthritis, the hallmark. Everyone's tide is a medical student is that it can present as a call the butterfly rash on the face. So it's on the cheeks, and it's kind of shaped like the wings of a butterfly just to a red rash. And that supposed to make you think of lupus does not a nice disease to have now's wide wide ranging possibilities of organ involvement, and so on well, and according to and she had a lot of symptoms for a long time before she was finally diagnosed he apparently from what we've read and listened to is that it took some time to make the diagnosis. And that's not an uncommon thing. Lupus is not that commoner condition that might take a while to diagnose, but eventually after she had seen several physicians. The diagnosis was made Nicole usually heard from Shinhan every single morning. And Shannon was never without her cell phone. She was constantly in contact with her friends and with the people she worked with which there was an overlap there for sure. So this combined with her pregnancy made Nicole very concerned. So she contacted Shannon's husband, Chris watts on his cellphone. He was at work. And she asked him to come home and see if Shannon was okay. But to her surprise Chris didn't seem very concerned he told her that Shannon had gone on a play date with a friend for the day. But Nicole knew this wasn't true. And she was very put off by his casual response, if she was on a play date her car wouldn't have been in the garage, and she would have been responding to texts and calls on her phone. Also, the girls car seats were in the car that was in the garage. They had a four year old into three year old daughter, you're so there's no evidence the shenanigan anyplace. No. So Nicole had nNcholas try to force the garage door open. Even though she knew that it would set off the house alarm, but her thinking was it Shannon was incapacitated. Due to any kind of health issue. Maybe. The alarm could wake her up. He kind of rouser I guess she had had what she called hypoglycemic incident over the weekend. So I guess she's thinking may be something with her blood sugar was off. And she was a little odd of it. Does everybody know hypoglycemia means low blood sugar? Oh, maybe not. So we'll just mention that. Okay. Okay. But the alarm didn't go off. And what happened is Chris had disarmed the alarm about an hour earlier from his phone. So next Nicola nNcholas left the house, and they went to the OBGYN office where Nicole knew that Shannon, had a ten o'clock appointment, and she was able to find out that Shinhan had not showed up for her appointment. So this was totally out of character. Shinhan was happy to be pregnant very involved in her pregnancy very excited about it. She wouldn't miss an appointment especially without calling. So Nicola nNcholas returned to the watts house, and she called Chris watts again, she told him that Shannon, had missed her appointment and that they were calling the police now according to Nicole Kris told her not to call nine one one. One and that he was on his way home, but she had already called nine one one. She wasn't going to listen to him at this point his Senden weird vibes to her sounds like she's not believe in much of what he's saying. Liam will get into it more later, but over the weekend should an head voice. Some concerns about Kris possibly having an affair. Maybe not wanting the new baby this is when she in the coal runner trip. Yes. On the weekend trip that she just came back from. Officer Scott Kuhn, rod was dispatched to the watts home. Nicola nNcholas waited for him in front of the house officer Coon rod open, the front door the few inches that it would open and he called out into the home. But he heard no one the sliding glass door at the back of the house was locked. And so we're all of the first floor windows Nicole's thought at this point is still that may be Shannon had passed out. But even so you'd think that they'd hear some activity from the two girls, Celestin Bella. And there was nothing in the house. So Nicole, nNcholas and officer Coon rod were outside the house and the officer called Chris's cellphone and he asked for the code. So they could enter through the garage. He know how they have a little keep head outside of the garage. In case, you don't have your opener with you. But Chris said that the code didn't work, but he would be home in about five minutes. So in Chris arrives, he enters the garage after using the hand held clicker from his car in the interesting. Thing here. I noticed after watching the footage from the officers body. Cam is how Chris kind of runs ahead into the garage. He opens Shannon's passenger front door. And he removes something and tucks it under his arm, then he enters the home before Nicole and the policeman. So he has thirty to sixty seconds is my guest to do things in the house before the other to enter while the other three actually because Nicole San Nicolas comes in as well. This is interesting. So I guess there's some deal of speculation about what Chris of taken from shins car, a one at thing was it could have been her. Cellphone phone nNcholas found that a little bit later stuff between cushions in the couch in the left area of stairs. So yeah, that would seem like something that was trying to be hidden. So Chris said, he didn't know the password for John's phone, but Nicole did it was due date of pregnancy. So Shinhan was pregnant. With a boy who she had already named Niko. Once the phone was found Chris gave consent for the police to look through her phone and showed that she had made no calls that morning. And that there had been many missed calls and texts. Chris also gave the police permission to search the home. And as the search began that club in detective kind of oversee things start running the investigation. Yeah. Because this looks suspicious. Yeah. And they just have a patrolman. Yes. Answered the nine one one call her car in her purse were gone, and they'd had an argument they might not have acted so quickly. Right. But this is so suspicious, and you have to give so much credit to Nicole because she was too nationless. Chris wanted things just can't be left alone for a while. Yeah. I don't think he counted on the co being as bull as she was now, I don't think so but during the search Chris chose to leave the house, and he took the family dog out and waited on the back deck the police found Shannon's purse, including her wallet hash identification and a second cell phone. Also, very disturbing. They found all of the children's medication which they had as Mon allergies. Yes. So they had multiple meds and with types of illnesses. They had these meds that they needed to travel with. He's I rescue medications some of them. Yeah. Ankara's also found her wedding. Ring Shinhan skis had been found in the center council of her Lexus and her garage door opener was also on the visor in the car with the front door latch from the inside the code outside of the garage networking and the garage door opener in her car inside the garage. How would Shannon have planned to get back inside if she had left the house, you know, if she left on her own or someone had picked her up on the off chance she took the girls for a little walk. She couldn't go back in a most people keep their keys on their car keys. You don't have separate keys houses locked up and she can't get into the garage because the clippers in the garage or ready, right? So interesting. So the garage is really the only way. That she could have exited the house all the other doors were locked from the inside police did determine that someone could hit the garage door opener run out of the garage. But as far as I know in any house where I've ever lived. There's that safety mechanism sensor where the door will stop closing if anyone goes through it. Sure. 'cause you don't want the garage door coming down where your car's going in. Yeah. So that wouldn't have been possible. So it would be determined that. There was no way for Shannon in the children to have left this house in less. They left in Chris's truck. So let's go over the house a little bit brokered. Police found the bed in the master bedroom stripped down to the mattress, the fitted sheet comforter and pillows were on the floor. The top sheet wasn't in the room, the girls beds weren't made in the finished basement. They found an unmade bed with some sheets and blankets. Chris said that he sometimes slept in the basement. But he said that he was in the master. Room. When Shannon got home the night before Shinhan friend, Nicole said that Shannon would never leave the house without making the beds. It's just not how she operated. This house was immaculate for someone with two little kids. It was so clean. And the house had a ring brand doorbell camera. Crystal police that the only person seen on that camera which Shinhan when she came home from her trip early in the morning and Nicola nNcholas when they came over looking for her. That's his word. Yes. And that is all that that found the front door camera ochre, nobody else had come to the front door. So then the police went door to door in the neighborhood to find out if anyone had seen anything the next door. Neighbor, Nathaniel trenice stitch provided security footage of Shinhan arriving home early. August thirteenth and Christopher watts. Leaving a few hours later he also captured Chris backing his truck into his garage at five twenty seven in the morning. Which what's claimed he did. So he could load his work tools water and lunch for the day. So this next door neighbor has a camera that includes some of the Watts's driveway. Yeah, he had several cameras acquaintan- elaborate system who did. But you can't can't see that much some trees shrubbery. So you don't get totally unobstructed view of the Watts's drive where you get a little bit of of you. And the trucks backed all the way like into the garage a little bit looks like so you can't see the back of it. Anyway. So you can't see them loading bodies into the back of the truck now. But you can't see him kind of on the other side of the truck is if he's almost like crouching down. So he might have known that he needed to avoid cameras possibly all of the search and interactions with Chris watts are really available to watch from the police officers body Cam footage, and in this video, Chris the police officer and Trinidad stitch watch the security footage over on trenice teaches TV next door, and Chris watts behavior at this point is very odd very telling he rocks pounces foot two foot with his arms crossed or his hands on top of his head. He looked so nervous. He like, maybe they will see a foot or something. He's just on edge. He's walking around. He's got his hands on his head. I mean, it's just sweating. He doesn't look good now. And he looks like he wants to get out of there when he leaves. He's like booking it out of there. He was ready to move. Yeah. And he was explaining to the police officer all about everything he loaded in the truck that day, the lunchbox backpack, the water jug, SIS computer is tools seems like he was just trying to say anything off topic to kind of change the direction of the conversation. He also talked about how some things have been stolen from his truck in the past everything. But what happened to my family? You know, any really looked terrified Roy's worried that the footage is going to show things that incriminate him. So then towards the end of the video Chris lift the room to speak with the detective outside and trying to stitch turn to officer crooner Ayden says he's not acting right now. He thought he was really. Acting very nervous not like himself. So is next door. Neighbor could pick up on it. Yes. He also goes onto Kuna that he often, here's Shannon, Chris arguing he and he said that his wife in him were wondering if Shannon was on vacation or something happened because he heard them screaming at each other at the top of their lungs, and he said, and I quote, and he gets crazy in reference to Chris you're you also mentioned that he thought Chris Zach and pretty suspicious, and who was talking more than he usually did and seem to be trying to cover his tracks. So he's already got a neighbor who suspicious yet? But while these neighbors may have heard their fights. It seems like they're friends never had seen anything like that. All of Shinn's friends told investigators about how involves her husband was how he helped out with childcare cooking and cleaning. They just seemed like the perfect couple Shinhan recorded and posted a video of their older daughter. Bella singing, a song to her daddy, actually? And it's really heartbreaking to listen to when you think of this little girl who trusted her dad who ended up being her murderer. I'm gonna play that. Okay. Just to give everybody a chance to hear it. If they haven't. Me. In the bed of Chris's trek. Police found a shovel a hose of fire extinguisher guess can and toolboxes. So it's pretty clear from what we've looked at CNN read that the police are suspicious of Chris's story, virtually from the beginning, the police report even question his explanations Chris's statement, he said that the family had returned from a trip to North Carolina. We're both their families lived. She Shinhan had gone for six weeks with the girls. Win Chris flew out the last week to be with them. Now they've gotten home on August seventh. Yes, she had been in North Carolina and her girls spent time with their grandparents at one point Shinhan wrote that Chris's mom, Cindy, head fed everyone ice cream with stash ethos despite knowing that Celeste Hannah severe nut allergy when Celeste asked for some she and Cindy got into a big argument with Cindy accusing shit. Of being crazy into coddling her allergic child. I mean, if you have it true nut allergy those can be life threatening. Now Shinhan had told all the grandparents in advance that she couldn't even be around nuts. I mean, you can just in hill the vapors of nuts and have a reaction. That's not in very good for the mother-in-law. He will. I don't think the mother-in-law likes Shinhan from the beginning. You had mentioned that according to Shannon's texts to Chris that evening Chris's, mom, Cindy had said that Celeste who they called CC had to learn that she couldn't have everything she wanted. So this is a three year old with allergies. So this sounds kind of crazy at harsh doesn't it it? Sure. Does. I mean, I don't think we've looking out for your child who has another allergy that that's coddling the kid. Still sound particularly harsh it does especially from grandmother, which pod Ling is what grandmothers do that's right. And it really wasn't her place to make any of these decisions, according to Shannon, C C was severely allergic and shouldn't have even been near the nuts. So Cindy's shouldn't have any nuts in the house. How hard is that to me? It just seems very passive aggressive to go and get ice cream with nuts when it's very easy to buy nut free ice cream. There may have been some aspect of hypochondria with Shannon, her children. But we have no evidence of that. And like I said it's not up to Cindy tested out and put her grandchild's life at risk, nor doesn't and we're not going to dwell on different diagnosis at the people in the family had the lupus, the hypoglycemia, the node allergies and stuff now because we're not there doctor. We don't know. So we have to take what she said is the truth. So I'm going to go with it that way. Absolutely. So after that incident Shinhan had left her in laws house angry and went back to her parents house, her father in law on friend her on Facebook, then so he's really mature. Teenage years, right? Yeah. Some so she gets in a fight with her in laws, and she pisses the mother-in-law off. And then a bet she told the father in law. Could she sounds like the dominant force in that house, you better unfriendly that grow? Yeah. You're right. Probably probably that was the way it was. Yeah. So Shinhan expected her husband to be on her side. Now, he was sympathetic, but at the same time didn't stand up for her as much as she would have liked him to. So they they exchanged many techs and Shinhan refuse to take any responsibility for not getting along with Chris's family. They didn't lection in from the beginning saying that she is the scammer in a phony and Shinhan told Chris find your balls stick up for your family. Yeah. So she was the dominant force in the household as well. Yes. But I think if you grow up in a house where it's matriarch, oh, you're more likely to marry someone like that. It's just the way it works. Right. Yep. That's what you learned. Exactly. So she had begun to notice that Chris became more distant while. She was in North Carolina. He started not calling as often as usual, and he didn't answer his phone every time she called. Also, he wasn't showing any interest in her pregnancy at the beginning of her stay in North Carolina. She in Chris talked quite a lot and even headphone sex. But as the weeks pass this tapered off to nothing. Chris really seem to be pulling away from her. And this went on for weeks and Shannon texted him several times asking him what was wrong. This was a time when she expected him to be excited because she was expecting a baby boy, and this is what he had wanted the to hit actually planned this pregnancy. And he wanted a son. It was planned. Yes. But she greeted him when they were the shirt that said, oops. We did it again. I think she was just trying to be cute with that Roker. I don't think it was an accident at all not from anything that I've seen with her friends or the things she wrote or take it at them. Which is surprising. I know in this case, but it does seem to be true that he wanted the baby at least when they conceive the baby. The other thing I'm wondering about reading that the pregnancies with the two girls had been enhanced by fertility treatments that she apparently wasn't able to get pregnant, right? Yeah. But this third pregnancy no mention of fertility treatments now. So just happened. As far as we now. Like, I said we haven't seen medical records. So we don't know. But it seems that they were able to get pregnant so during all this stuff. Chris Woodson responses to Shinhan bike. I'm sorry for the way that been acting and you didn't do anything wrong. But I just don't feel the same way about you anymore. So that was pretty shocking to her to hear that she's still in love with him. She thought things were going along. Okay. That's really something. That would shock you, especially if you're can have a baby I just have a tough time thinking that this is out of the blue. Well, maybe it isn't out of the blue totally. But she didn't seem to see it coming. But then at the same time after doing all that stuff. He still flew out to join his family North Carolina to hit it planned. Yes. He was there for the final week. So early August. Yep. Oh, Shinhan described him as cold and distant barely talking to her. And this is where her Facebook pages or conversations with friends text. I don't think she said that on Facebook. Now, those were text to some of her closer friends that when he got out there to North Carolina. He was very distant. Will you didn't sleep with her in the same bed? That's a big red flag, isn't it? Yeah. She said he didn't touch. Her didn't seem interested. Did and she confronted him. And he was very avai sive sa- finally when she did digger crews to talk to her he told Chanel that they weren't compatible anymore and he wanted to consider separation, and he wasn't sure if he wanted to third show, let's a little late for that. As an arro-. I mean, if if we're led to believe that this was a plan pregnancy and then suddenly gotten cold feet, and he's not sure he wants another child. Yeah. You can't do that. While you can't. So then I'm thinking, okay. He's got someone on the side. If this is all coming up like that. That's right. Chris refused to go to marriage counseling. But Shinhan wanted to save marriage. And she still love Chris. But he was rejecting her and their life together, and Shannon was shot because his seemed to be so sudden so out of nowhere Pepe thing. Yes. So she cancelled the gender reveal party that she had planned for the following Saturday in the family flew back to Colorado on August, seventh. And Chris slept in the basement. The couple talk the next day, Chris agreed to counseling and also she planned trip to Aspen for them for the weekend of August seventeenth to the nineteenth, which I don't know how they afforded that. But that's a whole other story getting into their we are rookery so unorganised tenth Shinhan left for her work trip to Arizona. So they get back on the seventh and on the tenth. She's good a business trip. And while they're her friends who also worked for thrive who just the company she worked for said. She was not herself. She seemed to be said and preoccupied now for those she talked with she said that her marriage was in trouble. And she was confused about the situation. And she wanted out loud of Chris could have been having an affair Jesus. That's the first thing. I would have thought of if I mentioned answer shoes and all the stuff is going on. He must be having an affair. Well, apparently to one of our friends. She said, no he wouldn't have affair because he had no game. So she didn't think he would cheat. She said, but she did check his charges on his credit card. So maybe she does think it's possible shouldn't think cheap. But just in case, maybe I'll check this credit card receipt. Well, I mean one other red flag to me that really sticks out as he'd lost like forty five pounds. He was all buff into working out. That's usually a sign when you try and fix yourself up that there's somebody else you're interested. It no kidding. Well, the other thing grew to see that one of the science that your husband's having an affair as it. He comes home after work and takes shower. Yeah. That's another thing. Anyway. So that weekend on Saturday night. Shinhan looked at the charge cards from her trip in Arizona and saw that Chris charged over sixty dollars from a place called the lazy dog saloon place back home where he was Chris told Shannon that he was going to Colorado Rockies game with some guy friends he'd gotten a baby. Sitter for the girls any left the house from five thirty PM to ten thirty pm Shinhan after she read this charge online. I imagined. She texted him in. Esta 'bout the charge press said he had ordered, salmon and a beer, but Shinhan went online and looked at the menu. And she saw that his Bill should have been about twenty bucks. And she also questioned how late he got home that night. Not by any of this stuff from her husband. I don't think. So. No who says, yeah, I went out and had dinner, and I had salmon and a beer, and she goes online says your fucking live. Well, I mean, she was also the one in charge of the money for the most part. So I don't think it was that unusual for her to keep track of his charges. But she was definitely questioning this one. There's no doubt. No kidding. So Chris that she had returned from the trip early that morning. August thirteenth a little before two because the flight had been delayed and the co dropped her off. Had her house just before two. And then Chris claimed that he woke up at four in the morning to get ready for work. He said he woke up, and they had an emotional conversation about the relationship and they discuss selling in house and filing for divorce. I guess it would be an emotional conversation share. And he did that it was an argument. He said they've been discussing a separation for several weeks. And he said that they talked about thirty or forty minutes that morning when he left for work at five forty five. He said she was sleeping. So Kris told the officer several times that he had left the garage door open when he left for work and that he got an alarm on his phone around twelve forty that afternoon notifying him that the garage door was open. But Nicole when her and her son arrived said that the garage door was shut images desk something. Okay. So if I'm not sure we don't have any kind of app that would tell us our garage doors open. Do we? Yeah. If the alarm goes off, it'll say the stores open, okay. All right. So if we do that how come she left for work at quarters six he didn't get an alarm until twelve noon. They left the door open. It would tell you that as soon as you set the alarm that you've left the garage door open. Exactly. Yeah. Nobody's believing this stuff or you're right. That's a good thing you pointed that out though, that's true. So Chris went to work in an oil well location job site in order to check on. It is alone. There he worked for Anadarko Petroleum Corporation where he is an operator working on oil wells and Queant. So he told police this Shannon had planned to spend the day with the kids at a friend's house. But it didn't know the name of the friend. He said, the Shannon's disappearance was really I've normal behavior. And he said that he blamed himself for her leaving because he believed it was the result of their divorce conversation was a divorce or separation. I talked about party. Yes. Right. Selling the house and partying and probably divorcing. So Chris was asked by police to check his Bank accounts for any activity. But he said that he couldn't log on because Shannon handled all the finances and he didn't have the log. Sounds like our house. No, it doesn't know. You forget the law, but you have it. Yeah. Yeah. He also didn't know what credit cards Shinhan head. He did agree to call their Bank to get the information. One other thing he didn't know as where she kept her passport. So he doesn't seem to know much about things were said he should since pretty clueless. Yeah. Almost like he was a child in the house and not a partner. Excellent point. Yeah. I think that's a good observe -ation. So August thirteenth would have been the girls. First day back there preschool had outfits picked out for the occasion. But eight fifteen that morning Chris called the school until them that the girls would not be attending because they're thinking of moving away. I think that's very odd. Isn't it? Even more. I'd he then asked they aren't there are they? Do you think about that? He was confused. Why did he say that? I think he was using it to help his alibi. It didn't though it hurts. I know it didn't. But if he's thinking that they should be at school. How do you explain your family's missing that you call that morning and said the kids wouldn't be there that means you knew so that's a dead giveaway. Well, who wasn't thinking clearly well and part of what I read is that he would have had to pay about five hundred dollars that day to pay the week in advance. And he didn't have the money to do that your report he texted Shannon's phone around seven forty AM anti sent some text later, but he never reached out to anyone ever, friends or co-workers. And you never went home to check when she didn't respond to anything he called her phone at eight twenty five AM with no response. Obviously also on that day. Chris search the internet for the lyrics to. Talich a song called battery. The lyrics include smashing through. The boundaries lunacy has found me cannot kill the battery cannot kill the family. Awful just gives me chills. Pretty weird shit. Yeah. He told police that he and Shannon had fallen out of love with each other. But he denied that. He was seeing anyone else Shinhan friends and family reported that Chris and Shanon had a really good marriage. That Chris was a caring husband and most of them thought that everything was good. Then when Chris found out Shannon was pregnant with their third child. They did say that Chris didn't seem as excited as they thought. He would be weren't, you know, the video we what when when she told him that she's pregnant she had on the T shirt. Yes. Who soon appropriate then he thinks I didn't think so are fully was fine. His seemed to be excited. Let seemed fake to me. He didn't go over and hugger anything unless we couldn't see that on the video. And it's all interpretation is also that he wasn't acting right to me. Right. Yeah. So his demeanor did seem pretty odd to investigators because he didn't seem really upset or word. Now, he seemed nervous, but he didn't seem concerned about what could be happening with his family. He just seemed kind of unsettled about answering any questions he didn't wanna make eye contact. He kept looking at his phone. But why would you be texting people if your wife's missing wind should be calling people are think he didn't really express any concerns about the girls wellbeing. So even if he's angry with his wife, you think he'd be worried about the girls separate all this out. Even if he and his wife aren't getting along. He still got these two lovely girls, which is a totally separate issue road. So he should be looking for them or worried about them. Yeah. I mean, they both had asthma. The medication was at the house and see see headed tree nut allergy. And our epi pen was left behind. Now. An epi pen is something that should always be with the child. Absolutely something like that. You have exposure to the nuts. Go into NFL axis. You gotta have adrenaline the epi pen. Ain't how much time. Do you have to get that shot before someone could die minutes? 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I love you. Sorry. The knife slipped. Okay. So back to this very sad story. So here we are Christmas considered to be an ideal has been father, at least by the people that know them, his employer said he was reliable and honest kind of their go to guy even should ends parents believed that he was a wonderful man who treated his wife and daughters. Very well. But Chris changed and this is after he became involved with thirty year old, Nicole casts, injure. Yes. So did have a girlfriend. He did despite his denial. Right. Exactly. After shannon. The girls were missing for twenty four hours his mistress. Nicole this is not her friend, Nicole just to clarify. This is his mistress. Nickel. The sues the nico- that's involved with the husband. Yes. And not the Nicole is the friend of the wife exactly Nicole went to the Frederick police department. But I what she did was she deleted all phone calls texts photos and even contact information for Chris from her cell phone, and this would be looked at as not a good thing to do later on. Chris had kept his text and photos from Nicole in secret calculator app on his phone, and this included nude photos of her that he had taken and that she had texted to him. So the way this app worked which is quite clever. Which I didn't know this kind of thing existed. If anyone was to look at his phone this app looked like a calculator. But once you opened it you had to put in a secret code, and then you'd be able to access private files as pretty interesting. Yeah. It really is the technology available now in this case occurred makes this case especially fascinating the police were wearing body Cam. So we can watch all that footage of them arriving at the house of the search of Chris's reactions, then we can see all these texts that people sent to each other in the time surrounding the crime. There's also footage of the police interogations. And then of course, there's Shannon's enormous amount of Facebook video posts, but watching those I feel a little uncomfortable kind of like a voyeur. It seems weird to watch those videos, but I mean, it's her posted videos trail those are put out there for people to look at. Well, yes. But she wouldn't have been expecting to be in this situation or right? Yeah. But still I think she enjoyed the attention that she got probably from putting out all these posts probably. But we do after remember to it was her job. It's how she made money. And she was a salesperson note saying anything either way bed or good about it just it. She put them out put them out there. And I think part of the facination with watching them as it just seems ironic because she's putting forward this perfect family image. I think that's what's hard to get over here. When you think about what really happened absolutely reminds me with all the footage and stuff. What's it show on TV that has all the cameras and CCTV and stuff? Oh, the crime. I'm show the crime show. I watch. It's see no evil. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. It's almost like this kind of reminded me of. But this is the way things are going. You know, there's really not much privacy left in the world for sure ISM, which has its good and bedside, but by coming forward, Nicole, the mistress protected herself, but she did downplay her relationship with Chris she was willing to talk. Her father went with her to the station, and she did eventually consent to turn over her phone, Nicole met Chris that June through work. She was working under contract in the main office where Chris would come in the mornings before he headed out to the field where he worked and they began talking. There was obviously an attraction Chris told her that he was married by getting a divorce and he never wore a wedding ring. And she didn't know about the kid's until a few weeks into the relationship, but she tried to play it off that Chris's more into her than she was into him. So I feel like she. Was trying to downplay her interest in him, which maybe you can't blame her for that. I mean here, right? You're not gonna be proud of it. If you're thinking that this guy is gonna be fingered for killing his family. I'm going to do what I can to distance myself from yes, right trail. But I mean, she's distancing herself in the past tense to kind of pretending. She wasn't his into him as I think she was. I think you're right. Yep. She told police Chris said, I love you early in their relationship. She said that she tried to convince him to work on his marriage 'cause he had a beautiful wife. He had two lovely daughters. And she said, she didn't know this was pregnant, right? And I think that she might have said this in the beginning. She went to the house. She saw he had this beautiful house in this family. And she probably said, you know, you sure, you don't wanna stay in this marriage. But he was pretty definitive that he didn't Chris Nicole Dicko at a camping trip together at great sand dunes national park in this was during the five weeks when Shannon and the girls were in North Carolina without him. He spent most days with Nicole when the family was away, Nicole told police that she in Chris were very active together sexually sometimes having sex up to four times a day. So he was spending a lot of time with her. I guess. Yeah. Swim. She admitted to being at the what's home twice. Chris had Abed set up in the basement where he said he was staying until the house was sold Nicole said that she chose to go to the police after she landed shenanigans pregnant, and she and the two kids disappeared. Kris told Nicole is John was pregnant, but the baby was in his and certainly Nicole didn't believe him like give credit for that. We'll give her some. He was probably getting nervous about what had happened to his family. I mean when you're with someone and they're complaining about their wife and planning to leave them, and then they disappear very shady. Visit you'd be doing some thinking, would you? Absolutely. So on the thirteenth police issued a bolo for Shannon. Her daughter's a pregnant woman in two small children had disappeared from their home leaving behind all of their important possessions, and the car that doesn't look that does not because of Shinhan active social media profile her cell phone was continuing to receive texts and phone call. From people who were worried about her. Her role is thrive Representative required that Shannon, be very active on Facebook. And she normally made multiple posts daily part of a role in sales included videos that showed her Chris and the kids looking healthy, happy and prosperous and many in the videos, Kristen Shinhan are wearing their thrive vitamin patches where they can be seen. So the representing a certain lifestyle is part of the whole gear amid setup the videos are superficial narrative of the what's family, but in many of the Facebook videos, you can tell that Shannon was the one running the show. I was usually in the background with the kids or the dog smiling and nodding. Yes, definitely like she'd told them come on. You're going to be in this video where we have to portray the happy family. Yes sack. Louis herpes successful lovely family. That's the idea. That's the idea because she worked from home for a multilevel marketing firm an MLM called. Lavelle selling vitamin patches and powders under the name of thrive. So multilevel marketing is a pyramid setup where one person sells products, but primarily makes money by getting the people she recruits to sign up and sell those products and many of these MLM's are scams. Most people don't do very well for them. But Shannon did seem to be making a decent living with Lavelle. She did. But at the same time, she really worked hard at it. It's a lot of work certainly did. But yeah, like you said, it's kind of a pyramid scheme. Well, it is. I don't know. It's a scheme, but it is a pyramid multilevel marketing her it's a scheme or a scam. Well, for the people low on the totem pole it is because they buy the products they can't sell them, and they're stuck and they're getting this these videos looking how prosperous the watts are. We wanna be like that. We wanna do that. Right. Exactly. Let's how it works where you enroll you get a bunch of stuff and as. Said if you sell them, you move up in the ranks issue and ended and if you can't sell them, you're in trouble. But he don't even think you can make a decent living selling them. I think you have to get people beneath you. To make decent money. Well, that's how you do it. Right. You enroll people. So it's only the people up top that are making money, but let's give her credit. She worked her way to the at least the mid level. She was she was making money by report she's making what sixty five seventy thousand dollars. That's let she said. And the Lexus was like a business car. I mean that was paid for by Lavelle at least a down payment. I think they there was some lease agreement or something the she could have discounted rates. I'm not sure that she still paying some on it. Okay for Alexis here. Yeah. She wasn't paying that much. But they did have financial issues amazing issues insurance shoes. Yeah. They had this really nice large house that they'd bought for nearly four hundred thousand dollars, but they were at least two months behind with the mortgage, and they had been lied on their mortgage eleven times and just five years prison. Shinhan bought that house in two thousand three. Thirteen but they got deeply into debt, and they filed for bankruptcy just two years later in two thousand fifteen now, it seems like they were on the same path in two thousand eighteen owing more money than they could possibly pay back. Their credit cards were maxed out they were in a bad corner. Here I'm still wondering how the got approved for a loan on four hundred thousand dollar home with their income. Yeah. And I don't think she was making that much then because she had other jobs before she got into Lavelle that weren't great paying job. Chris wasn't making that much. I think at the most he still made listen hundred thousand dollars a year. Oh, far less. He made about sixty seven thousand dollars a year. So I don't know how to get approved for a loan for that. I don't I know they put seven percent down. So that's twenty thousand dollars. So that's three hundred seventy two thousand dollar mortgage. I know. No, they were way upside down, and I don't know how that happens because Chris head even had to sell his car in only drove this company truck, and because this truck belong to the company, and he wasn't allowed to use it for personal things. It was a quipped with GPS and that will have a big part in this whole investigation as well. Certainly will. So they're in dire financial straits. I wouldn't say bed. I mean, they they've declared bankruptcy once they're heading down that path again, they got a new baby coming. They've got older kids with significant health issues. This is horrible. Yeah. I wouldn't be able to live that way. It would freak me out or guard. I know you, wouldn't you. Yeah. Well, let's talk about a little bit how they met because they met through Facebook in two thousand ten and you can hear Shannon's version of that on our little intro at the beginning of this episode, and they both live in North Carolina. This time Shinhan was one year older than Chris and she had been married before. Her ex husband, Leonard king was an attorney in North Carolina one story that Shinhan shared unfazed book was how she had bought her own home in two thousand one and as far as I can tell that is true. But we know that things weren't smooth sailing for Shinhan should move to what she did will she'd had these migraines as a child and was eventually diagnosed with lupus and was quite sick by her own telling also between two thousand nine and two thousand eighteen she had moved at least fifteen times that something telling don't you think this is an nine year period. So she was moving every couple years. She. Is moving three times. Yeah, we go. And I wonder what happened with that first house. She bought if that was foreclosed on, but she's married to attorney the usually make fairly good money. Don't they usually usually anyway, but I don't know how long they were married or anything really wrote. That's all I know. So when she met, Chris, she was suffering from gadiel health problems should been diagnosed with lupus, she had migraine headaches, which can occur with lupus. It's not an uncommon thing. She had other health issues, neck pain that required surgery. Eventually she also said that she had developed fiber myalgia. It's a lot for a young woman and had something that twenty to thirty percent of people with lupus have right. But she did say that Chris was wonderful and stuck by her through all of that. So they really seem to be in love. They were married in two thousand twelve and moved to Colorado. In two thousand fifteen Chris got his job with the petroleum company. Shinhan worked at a local school for awhile. And then she worked at a children's hospital until she began her sales with Lavelle precision. And both seemed like very hands on loving. Parents Shinhan has been described as a bit of a type a personality who ran her home with a really organized schedule. Some would say she was kinda bossy and controlling, but no one would ever doubt that she loved her family one of the best for her kids. So they seemed like a happy family, and you wouldn't have guessed that all this financial crisis was going on. But they did always have that problem of Shinhan not getting along with Chris's parents, especially the mother interesting Chris's parents didn't attend shenanigan cruises wetter. That's bad. That's prepared. Yeah. Text messages that were released from the weeks leading up to Shannon's death show that she and her in laws were at odds. Sh. Call them evil and stupid in messages following the incident where they allegedly fed nuts to her allergic daughters. Celeste c c and enough. They actually fed them to our. But attempted a few. She was exposed. So it was in late may when Kristen Shinhan found out that they were expecting a baby boy Shinhan set up the video camera to record his reaction. We were talking about that. And she was wearing that shirt. That said oops, we did it again. So he walks in. He looks at the pregnancy test. He says, that's awesome. And asks if it means they're having a girl through because it has a pink plus on it, right? Shinhan tells him. No, that's just the positive reading. But he really doesn't seem that happy to me. I guess you have a different outlook on that. You think he looks pretty happy? He's excited here. Okay. Now, if you've seen footage of the interior of their home like I said, it was very nice, especially for a home with young children. And it certainly doesn't look like a home with people who are having to watch their spending. It does appear that she did like to buy nice things, and they were definitely living beyond their means. They still owed money for the fertility treatments that Shannon needed to get pregnant with her daughters, and they still owed money for her cervical spine surgery. Another thing that really surprised me is that both of these girls were in private preschool, which costs about twenty five thousand dollars a year. You're amazing. This is some preschool that's more than I spent at college. Are you? I think it's fair to say that they're probably living beyond their means less share. And it's possible there Chris was angry and resentful of Shinhan for the situation because it seems to me that she liked to spend money it does. But he was going along with it. I think he can take responsibility as well. I think the idea that he might have been somewhat resentful. Yes, I think he was definitely drew. But that's when you leave and you get a divorce. He don't murder people. Right. Of course, most normal people. Yes. Right. So by three forty eight pm on August thirteenth, some of Shannon's friends were texting to each other that the police needed to take a look at Chris's computer and cell phone records. So it's not taking long for people to look at him two of his friends. David Jeremy went to see Chris that evening at the house. House and they found him vacuuming the house the police had left in Chris said, he was staying there in cases family came home. He also told them that the house was very quiet without the kids there. So after this initial search of the house by police, and it wasn't that detailed of search, but Chris extensively cleaned the house and extensive doesn't even begin to describe what he did he washed the sheets of all the beds, remade the beds cleaned in cleaned in cleaned when the police returned with the warrant and dogs search dogs for more thorough. Search the house just smell of cleaning products. So they found the top sheaf in the master bed and some pillow cases in a kitchen garbage. Can there were stains on it was thought to be makeup smears? They also found should ends missing apple watch. And this is on the couch in the loft where her phone had been found. Right. So with the phone in the apple watch not being with her that gives the police no way to track her, right? But they do have his GPS on his truck that they can look into definitely they are will they can look at his movements. Yes. I'd august. Fourteenth next day. Shannon's mother Sandra called the police and told them that Chris was acting very odd. And she and her husband suspected that Chris done something to Shinhan and the children the Colorado bureau of investigation issued a missing endangered alert that day and that afternoon Chris spoke with a couple of TV reporters, and I'm gonna play the audio from TV station. K U S A T V sheriff's department. Everybody's like they're they're doing the best right now to figure out like if they can get sent see where they went. They went. They went car. They went somewhere right now is like they've been on point. They're going through the house trying to send over they can pick something outwards. It's gonna lead something I should night. She came home from airport to AM, I left around five fifteen she still here and like about twelve ten and that afternoon front showed up at the door. Like I texted. Time day caller say, you know, but she never got back to me, but using back to people as well. And that's what really concerned a lot of people's like she's not getting back to like choosing about to me. That's fine. Like she gets during the day. But she through people which was very concerning. Nicole call me when she was at the door. And that's when I came home and then walked in the house and nothing vanished. Nothing was here. I mean, she wasn't. She wasn't here. The kids weren't here. I called her three times Texas about three times just to you know, let's go out like I could up called or texted once like maybe she was just busy like Scott back. You know, like everybody's calling her from a trip. She just got back marriage Zona. And I figure just uses busy. But when a friend showed up, that's like it registered like, right? This isn't right. I'm right now, I don't even want to dislike throw anything out there like a hope that she's somewhere safe right now and with the kids, but I mean. His she event issues take an auto. No. But if somebody has her they're not safe like I want them back now. Like that that that's what him I like if they're safe right now, they're gonna come back. But if they're not safe right now. That's that's not knowing part. Like, if they're not saying last night hours tied every light in the house on out hoping that I would just get just ran over by the kids run in the door disliked barrel rushing me, but it didn't happen, and it was traumatic night trying to be here. My kids in my life. I mean, those those miles up my life and this like last night like at Yuli dinner. It was just like, I miss them. Like, I mean, I miss tell him. Hey, you gotta eat that. Or you're not gonna get you know, just like not can get your snack after a missed that. Like, I miss them. You know, cuddle up on their couches that like Minnie mouse couch and Sophia couch that they cut up on watch. No guppies or something. And it was just like I. Termi apart last night. And I needed that. I needed that last night and nobody to be here last night, and they go into their rooms. And not a no that I wasn't in front of the Ray machines on and know that I wasn't going to turn the monitor on. No, our wasn't gonna kiss him the bed tonight. It was it was I that's why last night was horrible. I couldn't do it. I just want I want everybody just gone, right? Wherever they're at home. Slow on her flight got delayed from there's ONA because like thunderstorms around the nation. Supposed to get home like get home at like one forty eight Jan bed about to. What was she? It was a thriving drek sales. It was a local event that was down there. Punch leaders in the company I left work for work early that morning five fifteen five thirty. So like shoot barely me. She barely got fairly got into bed much. It wasn't like an argument emotional conversation. But I'll leave it at that. But it's. I want them back. I just want them come back. And if if they're not safe right now, that's what's that was to me apart because if they are safe they're coming back now if they're not if this is gotta stop like somebody has to come forward. They've been constant contact like every hour. I mean, everybody back in North Carolina east coast. In florida. They're just like if they need to gonna fly just let them know his they don't they feel helpless right now. 'cause they they're on off society country. I mean Colorado's I mean, Candace drive around and look I mean, it's just like wouldn't really know what you're looking for the cost premature. I I wanna get out drive around this. You will know a look for whether doing right now is with the canine incense, I think this is the biggest thing this is big thing that done so far because yesterday did all the surging of the housing try to gather whatever information they could and with the detectives officers and sergeants and today, it's all I mean, obviously with all the activity that's round. It's as it's nothing less wishes. Your wife can see this. She she can watch wounds. Life his Shinhan. Bella celeste. You're out there come back, like somebody hazards. So he's bring her back. I need to see everybody knew everybody. Again. This house is not complete with the anybody or. So what sticks out at you about this referring to stands out the most for me is how precise talking about his experience. But he doesn't mention what he's afraid the girls might be going through. You didn't seem said didn't seem heartbroken and referred to the girls his daughters in the past tense. Right. So that's those are all flags, aren't they? Well, he seems kind of nervous in defensive with his arms crossed. But he doesn't seem really worried. He never says, you know, if somebody has my daughter's, please, return them don't hurt them. He's not sobbing on camera. Anything like that? Now he's talking about how he feels in. How the house was quiet, and he needs them to be home your bullshit. It's about me. Yeah. Well, everything was about him. Apparently. So Chris spent that night at the home of his Inchon's friends, the fares a detective called him in the middle of the night to ask him some questions but Christie. Didn't ask if there is any news about his family when he answered the phone that never came up. So that made police even more suspicious, of course, they're already suspicious, but it's all piling on your they were suspicious from the start. So at four fifteen after noon on August. Fifteenth police used a drone to investigate an oil and guests site where they believe Shinhan Bella. And Celeste bodies were. And this was stuff that they had gotten from his GPS on his truck. Yes. So they knew where he had been that he'd been at that site the morning of the thirteen the F they found a bit sheet containing the pattern of the pillowcases and top sheet. They also spotted fresh movement of dirt could be consistent with a grave near the oil tanks there, they would also find two black trash bags broken rake, and fitted sheet and the sheet was covered with dirt from Chris dragging Shannon's body. On the sheet. So he didn't clean up. Now. This was very well. When we go over the timeline. He didn't have a lot of time. And some people would point to this saying that it wasn't premeditated. But I have many arguments for premeditation by that evening. Investigators knew that Christmas having an affair with the coworker, Nicole Cussing he had denied ever being unfaithful to Shinhan, but he had that secret app on his phone that had photos of her. He had apparently told Nicole that he and his wife were divorcing and his wife was okay with that. But he didn't tell her that she was pregnant Nicole reportedly looked on the internet to see whether people hate the other woman in cases like this. Also, she looked into if people like that could get book deals in how much money they could make coaches now she had spent over two hours looking up wedding dresses on Google just nine days before what's killed his wife and daughters, but she told everyone after Chris's arrests that she was not in a serious relationship with Chris. It was on August fifteenth after Kris was arrested that who Google patterns changed. Did people hate amber Frye? She typed in an internet search referring to Scott Peterson's girlfriend when he killed his wife lacy. Then she searched about how much money amber Frye, made from the book deal after Scott had murdered his pregnant wife. So I'm okay with her searching about wedding dresses. And if people hated the mistress that's fair. But to look up how much money she could make a book deal makes me feel very poorly about her. It's disgusting. I knew you would go that way. Well, yeah. Most people would an entire family's been murdered. It's only been days and she's thinking about if she can make money off of her relationship with a murderer is just horrible. So I've gone back and forth. I'm not sure what to think of her one of her searches said can the police retrieve deleted text messages from your phone? Now, her story would be that. She just wanted every. Thing of him off her phone because she was disgusted and she wanted to be done with him like a bad break-up is how she put it. But then why would she be wondering if the police can retrieve them you're talking about murder here? So who cares about your nude pictures or any of that? They don't care. I think that's lose to the problem. Exactly. And with amber Frye, she didn't know that Scott was married at all. And she certainly didn't know that he was expecting a child. Plus, she cooperated with police, right? From the beginning. She even did those taped phone calls with him to help catch him. But Nicole, I think is really different. Sheer raced messages from her phone and after watching and listening to her interviews with police and looking over her texts I have to say that I don't believe that she knew about his plans to murder is family. But there's something we'll shady about her. What do you think? I think so I think she obviously wasn't a participant. Now. I don't think she was a participant. I don't think she knew either. I don't think she even knew that the wife was pregnant, but just her reaction afterwards to me shows kind of a selfish. Crude person big surprise Chris failed. The polygraph test us showed a photo of his family, and he confessed to having an extramarital affair now. He tried to claim that he failed polygraph because he had been withhold. Ding information about this affair. But nobody has questions about the affair. He didn't wanna tell the police's levers name the police very tucked in Ecole. They knew who she was. Well, how can you be so stupid not to realize that? Of course, they've talked to her think it's wishful thinking, but he said that his life should add was totally focus on the kids, and he didn't feel like he could be himself with her poor guy. Yes. She just wasn't letting me grow on myself. Yeah. So he was asked three questions number one. Did you physically 'cause Shinhan disappearance then he answered no number two. Are you lying about the last time? You saw Chemin he answered no number three. Do you know where Shannon is now? And he said no to that one to theft actives told Christie had failed the polygraph test. And they knew he was lying to them. Right. So he eventually confessed to killing Shinhan. He asked to speak to his father. Other Ronnie who had flown in from North Carolina before he confessed Chris claim that after telling Shannon. He wanted to separation. He saw her on a baby monitor strangling Celeste in her room. He told police Bella was already blue in sprawled out on her bed apparently dead. So he said that this put him into a rage, and he strangled Shannon to death. He said I did to her what she did to them. She hurt them. And then I freaked out. And I heard her he said it was over fast, and he was in a blind rage. And he said that Shinhan must have lost control and strangled the girls when she knew their marriage was over. So of course, his dad Ronnie was shocked by the story. He put his hand on Chris's, arm and said, my godson Chris said that both children were blue. And he was sure they were dead. So he didn't attempt CPR or call nine one one. Instead he put their bodies behind the driver's seat in his truck in disposed of them. You're such a crappy story, I know most people would call nine one one. Yeah. What Chris was actually given this idea by detective who presented this option to him. That may be Shinhan did something to the children and he reacted to try and protect his daughters or something like that. And he was covering for her. But this is a fairly common technique in order to get a suspect moving towards a confession. Yes. So it's it's not that they believe in that stuff. Oh, no, not at all the detective told Christmas story about a mother who had strangled her kids because she didn't want their father to take the kids away from her. So she's giving him this kind of out to get into. Yeah. So Chris put the blame for killing the girls on Shinhan. And he said that she had a temper and was emotionally unstable. So he jumped on that idea. Didn't he he did? I think he was feeling pretty trapped and she gave him that way out pretty clever. These in terra Gators are mean, if you watch the way they do things, you might think they're just having a conversation. But there's a lot of skill behind. What they're saying. You're how they're directing people were pretty adept at what they're doing. They were very good. And I don't know how they can sit with someone like this and be friendly. I could never do it. You wanna leap across the table and grabbed him by the collar and say you've killed you family. Yeah. Kamata slightly. I I'm just really impressed by the FBI and the detectives. So Chris said he loaded all three bodies into his truck and took them to a job site where he buried Shinhan in a shallow grave, and he dumped the children's bodies into oil tanks. So Shinhan was buried in a fetal position in a twenty seven inch deep hole near the tanks, and she is covered with only about three inches dirt. So this this isn't that difficult to see I think he probably planned on going back. But he was in a hurry thinking he was just in a hurry. I think the thing is to think about maybe he was digging in and it was harder work than he thought. It was going to be and he said well gist or get down enough that I can put her in there and cover it up, and he didn't have a lot of time before other co workers came to that site, right? So these oil tanks were huge with lids. Kind of like manhole covers but the lids weren't that big. They weren't large enough for Chris to fit Shannon's body through arm. Sure, he would have done that. But it's also debatable. How easy it was to fit the girls into the tanks to put their bodies in the tanks. He needed to climb up a ladder. On the side. Plus when he opened it there'd be horrible fumes. He's oil petroleum product. And they were pretty fall. He would tell police that he could tell helpful the tanks were by the sound of the splash when he dropped their bodies in. He's talking about his daughters here. It's really sick. Oh worsened sick. So here I'm going to play a short clip where one of the detectives is questioning Chris about putting the girls into the tanks and Chris's casual tone is really shocking, and I don't know how the detective could stand talking to him without throttling him. So let's listen to that. Now. We're trying to work out all the trying to have your loved ones. So again about that hatch guys out there that has just small using about size. Listen to this point. It sounds crash. Did you have to kind of get him down there? Right. I. Okay. And then there are business over there. Like this. In your arms are so I know we've asked you. But we're very very concerned about how those his out. You can't really will take as far lows. So I just want me. Very sure that you're one hundred percent sure they're in their okay? One in one this that doesn't make sense to you. So you carry one or and did you shut it as? Okay. And then when back down the other one the different tower. Certain. Oh there. And different things. Okay. Sarah. Okay. All right. And you didn't have to throw feeding? All right. The one thing. I really wanna make sure is that you're doing so good right now tonight. I would hate for as we're trying to go out and get them another accident happens. And that comes back you out there. You know what I mean? Like if they're out there trying to bodies, they're not even in there. Yeah. Just don't want somebody to have for blow something up and come back to you. Please don't waste. Yes. The GPS Chris's track was able to give very detailed information. So police knew that the girls went missing during a certain time period. And as there was no footage of anyone else. Leaving the house police assume this, Shannon, and the girls left the house in Chris's truck, the truck's GPS recorded where Chris went in the truck. And at what time and it also recorded when the truck was on running off. So that gives them a lot of information and Anadarko was happy to hand over these records to police. So they could know exactly what had happened while they fired him. They was arrested or acted soon as he was arrested. They can't him. Oh, yeah. So what the records showed was that the engine of his truck was started at five eighteen AM on August thirteen and this is when he backed into his driveway the truck idled there for twenty eight minutes at five. Forty six AM Chris drove directly to the Cervi ranch forty seven miles away. And this was a big cattle ranch that had oil wells that were being leased by the petroleum company on the property Chris's truck parked at site number three nineteen this was a pumped site with two four hundred barrel. Oil takes he stayed there from six fifty three A M until eight thirty A M, but after seven AM other employees joined him at this site. They said when they first arrived at Christmas parked at an unusual area. And he seemed to be finishing digging a hole is. Yeah. His co worker Troy McCoy noticed that Chris was not wearing clothes like you normally word work. He was wearing old baggy. Clothes you're closer who'd were to dig a grave his grave digging close. Yes. Like, I said he had a relatively short time period to dispose of his family's bodies. He was only alone there for about a half an hour, and this was broad daylight. So. So just imagine. He must have been in a panic. Someone could pull up any second. He didn't plan this out quite well enough to get out there and do stuff before daylight. So these two tanks. They contained crude oil and they were next to each other each take had an eight inch wide thief hatch where he shoved the girls in CeCe was still wearing her pink nightgown in pull up in a clump of her. Blond hair was left on the hatch for your old Bellas body had scratches on it from the hatch. You're the older kid had abrasions on her trunk and her buttocks. That could have been consistent with going through an eight inch hole. Yeah, he shoved them in. But the other the younger one three zero didn't have any skin lesions Bobo. She did apparently leave some hair. Oh my God hurt. But yeah, he stuffed them in on a magical. So after disposing of the bodies, you went to other locations on the ranch, and then he stopped at a convenience store, which can be seen on some CC TV footage. He changed close to an RN. Shirt. He bought a breakfast sandwich and seems to be chatting casually with the clerk like oh just another day kind of. Yeah. That's what it looks like he was at another site when he began to get calls from Shannon's family and friends, and this would include Shannon's friend, Nicole who was trying to find Shinhan that morning at eleven thirty that night, August fifteenth Chris was arrested on suspicion of five first degree murder charges three charges of tampering with the deceased human body in unlawful termination of pregnancy for the death of his on born son Nico. So there were two additional first degree murder charges for the girls because they hadn't yet reached the age of twelve so they each counted as two first degree murders double. So obviously investigators did not buy that Shinhan had killed the girls and see see in Bella were not strangled as he said in his story. No, the autom-. See in the deaths of both girls showed that they had died of his fixation because of smothering. So there were any marks on their necks that would suggest in strangled, and that's generally going to see. So you're gonna have the smothering either no signs or in Bellas case, the the older child she'd probably struggled a bit 'cause she bitten through her tongue in. There is some bite marks hunter lips and had to be horrific. Yeah. Hopefully, she didn't see who is doing it. I don't know. I mean, even if you're in a sound sleep, you gonna wake up when that's happening to you. Or your definitely are. So in most women who kill their children has some warning signs such as anxiety, depression or major mental illness and Shinhan had none of these. So we're thinking the Christmas story about how he came across his wife, killing their two children is just total crock. Yes. Absolutely. So you to the plea deal to avoid the death penalty, and he did admit to killing all three of his family members and terminating the pregnancy Shinhan family didn't want Chris to get the death penalty. They felt like choosing life or death wasn't something that they wanted to do. They just wanted him to have life in prison, but what's really kind of horrifying to me to this day. Cindy, Chris's mother still alleges that should and killed her granddaughters. Now, I can kind of forgive her because it's her son. And she doesn't wanna think he did this. But I really feel like she's in denial. We already know that she didn't get along with Shannon. Right. Right. So I'm going to look at her remarks or or her allegations with a grain of salt. Well, of course. Yes. Plus he hasn't really talked to anyone and said what happened. He refuses to as far as I know not that it would make any difference to anyone, but he's kind of allowed to just speak quiet about it. And not explain what happens. So we don't know who was killed. I we don't even know exactly what the motive was. We could definitely make some assumptions that are probably pretty accurate. So the question isn't who did it? It's did he go into a rage or did he plan to kill his family? And the DA believes that the murders were definitely planned. The DA said that the evidence doesn't point to a crime of passion or that it was driven by rage. So let's look over. What tells us that? This was premeditated. Or at least with suggests that it was premeditated. So Chris took fr. Friday, August tenth off from work to care for the girls. Washington traveled to Harrison he met a co worker Troy McCoy to give him an Amazon fire stick at a parking lot. And at that time McCoy got a call from a co worker named Cody Roberts Roberts said that. There is a possible slow leak at the three nineteen site and asked if someone could go out there and check it on Monday. So very quickly Chris volunteered to go out there and check it out because he knew it was a one person job. He'd be alone there. Well, that's what we think is why he volunteered. Yep. Then on Sunday, August twelve at five pm. Chris texted Cody Roberts to confirm that he would head out to the site on Monday morning and report back to Cody. He texted no reason for spoke to go. And Cody later said that it was really unheard of for Chris to make contact with anyone from work on a weekend. What's very haunting to me is at the time. This text was sent Chris was at a birthday party with his daughters. Could he have been planning to kill them and dumped their bodies at the site as he was there watching them playing at a birthday party. It seems possible that he was very creepy, but you can disassociate yourself. Well, obviously he could. Yes. So then the night of the twelve Chris book with an Ecole for two hours, and he told her that he would not be into the office in the morning as usual. This would give him time alone at the remote jobsite remembered, Chris Nicole work together. Right. She worked in the office. And they said that normally he would go into the office and then go out to a site. So it was odd that he wanted to go to the site before he went to the office. Another thing that kind of stands out is that Nicole told police that when she in Chris ever went out in public. Although that wasn't often he always paid with cash or with Anadarko gift cards, but that Saturday night August eleventh when Chris went to the lazy dog saloon with Nicole. He went ahead and charged their dinner on his credit card. So he knew that Shinhan would see that. But if he planned on murdering her he knew he wouldn't have to explain the charges because Shinhan would be dead as soon as she got home your Richie. She did find out. Yeah. But he didn't have to deal with it. No. And what about the creepy? Dull photo. Yeah. August night. Chris texted a photo to Shanon. And this was of a human looking Dow lying on the sofa and the dolls covered with a white twister mat from the twister game. But it looks like a white sheet. So the face of the Dallas covered in the feeder kind of up on a pillow. It's very creepy. Kris told Chenier that the girls had done this. But maybe this was like a sick warning or joke. It's really weird. Very unsettling. When you look at it. It really is in the photos, one of the last ones to appear on shouldn'ts Facebook page Shinhan comment was I don't know what to think about this the DA. So that Chris not killed in rage because the girls were smothered one by one and that's going to take some time at least four minutes reach kid. Well, at least at least had no bruises or marks other than the bruises on her neck from being strangled. So we don't know where she was killed. But as probably upstairs the motion detectors on the home security system showed no motion until four twenty three in the morning when Chris will be getting up early to leave for the day. So it's I flow motion sensors second-floor, none right? She could have been attacked from behind or while she slept. But I just feel like the girls were probably dead when she got home. I don't know why feel that way. But. But it's definitely possible that maybe she would notice it if they're tucked into their beds, and it's two in the morning. I'm thinking if I'm going to go down the path of this being a planned killing. That's the path that you should follow me on. I think thank you. But if I go down that road. I would kill the kids first because I can't have them coming in while I'm killing my wife and seeing that I'm killing my wife. Right. So you get that out of the way I'm going to get that out of the way, and it certainly would be easy to say they're sound asleep. And even if she goes into say, I wanna kiss goodnight than than he can kill her then. But I think he could easily get away with your she? She was home late is almost two in the morning. He could say that the kids were in bed sleeping. Yeah. He'd probably just peak in from the door. If anything that time because they're going to be up in a few hours for well. In August, twelve Chris brought CCN Bella home from the birthday party. And they face time. Chris's dad, then both girls were showered and tucked into bed. And he was seen on his back debt grilling at seven fifteen pm, then he talked to the girlfriend, Nicole and ignored John's calls from the airport where she was because her flight was delayed then at eleven twenty one PM he texted Shinhan. Holy crap. Sorry, I patched I passed out on the couch. She nanna arrived home at one forty eight AM so between then and five twenty seven where he's loading up the truck. He had killed his whole family. Now, there's been some speculation that if Chris plan these killings he wouldn't have been so sloppy. But I definitely see a plan here. And people aren't really as smart as you think. No, no. So taking on the job at the site on his own for Monday morning to me that points to premeditation. The thought is that he planned to go home after work that day clean up the house get rid of all the evidence, but Shannon's friend, Nicole screw things up. I wasn't supposed to be there. And she wasn't supposed to be that persistent, and she didn't give up on her French and in right that that really threw a wrench into his plan. Yeah. So he's not planning on Nicole being so aggressive and on top of things. Well, I kind of wonder maybe he planned that night to take her car out to that site where it wouldn't be GPS to clean things up. He must have known that there's GPS on his truck. Yes. And he went to a site that he had already told people. He was going to go to so. Yeah, he has has an explanation. For that. Exactly. Okay. So it seems to us that Chris Watson specific type of killer. That's known as a family Anaya later. Right. Prosecutors defined his motive for killing his family was his desire to start a new life with his mistress psychologists have listed four specific types of family and leaders self righteous killers, hold the mother responsible for the breakdown of the family disappointed killers believe their family has let them down and Nommik killers. See the family as a symbol of their own economic success. But if they have some kind of economic failure like bankruptcy not being able to support their family the family's not serving the function anymore. They're also paranoid killers who are often motivated by a desire to protect their family from a perceived threat such as having children taken away by social services. So I don't think that he is in any way up. Paranoid killer. No. And he doesn't really fit entirely into any of these categories, but he could easily have characteristics from some of them because as with the Nommik killers Chris phone that his family was in financial peril. It's easy to see also that he probably resented Shannon's power in this marriage how she controlled most of their decisions. Now, I also think he is a lot in common with Scott Peterson. And that he wanted to start this new life with another woman and absolutely felt entitled to that fresh start in both seem to have come from a mother who treated them as the golden boy who no woman could ever be good enough for now. That's my speculation speculation. That's the way I look at it. I think it's also fascinating to note that men are most likely to commit these acts during August, August must be a bad month. Twenty percent of cases occurred in August. Most of them are white men in their thirties. Family laters are overwhelmingly not known to criminal Justice mental health services. They seem to be apparently loving, husbands and good fathers often holding down good jobs and seeing at least in public is being very successful. I think that's a good point too. He's really fits into that for sure. So Chris what's is being kept isolated from other prisoners at this point. He's thought to be in danger because child killers are not held in high regard by even the most violent offenders down there with the pedophile and the other scum. Right. So he's being protected which I don't know why we're protecting him. He didn't protect his kids wrote. It another sick note, which we won't talk about much is that there are some women writing him in prison. And this is a phenomenon we've discussed before with killers such as the Menendez brothers and Scott Peterson. And these women are just sick. You're talked about that some we had absolutely. And at the same time. The coca singer has received so many death threats that she is in a witness protection program, and she's probably gonna change your name and having to identity, which is kind of a victim in that way. I mean, she didn't want to hurt anyone. 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But I'm originally from Sterling Heights Michigan. Where your recent case took place on the grants. I found it really interesting. One of my aunt actually went to school with Steve in grant sister Kelly, and she kinda knew them kind of new Stephen. She said he was always a creepy person. She's some expletive language to about him, and my mom and grandma another aunt went to in a state sale at grants home after every half happens. And they just thought it was little creepy. His there was a lot of kids toys, just laying everywhere all over the house during the sale, which they didn't expect and it just. Made everything kinda sad. As far as case. Suggestions, Jill if you wanna do another case from back home in Michigan. There's one I see a lot share by some of my friends who I think knew this girl, but it's on solved. Currently a her name is Daniel, I apologize prompting your last name correctly. I get dislike Ye she's been missing for little over two years. And from what I can see they have hundreds and hundreds of a piece of evidence about it. There's a lot of clues. There is one man of interest who is currently in jail for pleading guilty to attempted sexual assault for someone but they haven't been able to prove anything against him. I think he works curiosity at Daniel's job. I wanna read they've had seventy eight a search warrant, and they've still just they have a lot of information, but they have been able to put everything together. And they don't know where she is. And of course, her parents, friends, everyone. Is devastated. And I kinda just read today to one of the things her parents are getting collect calls from all these collectors to on know, her debts because she saw this thing they were working to pay anything. She owes. So her pencil getting hounded by that just to add the everything else they're feeling at. And I just think it'd be great if they could find her it just be awesome to get a little bit more coverage and get the word out there. More don't have any suggestions because I don't know much about veer. But I've learning a lot through dick. And I've tried things what he's just pound a lot of things. I like, so I'll keep listening in taking your vice. So thanks so much guys team tie grabber gonna be team tie grabber for life and keep every out. Thank you. Well, thanks, Jamie. That sounds like a good case for us to look into started looking into it. There's not a lot information that I've been able to find. So I need to go deeper into it. But we do like unsolved murders or on. So of crimes and in this person. She's not been founded think it's like three years. Yeah. That's that's right. Where a lot of our family members live. So we could probably get some information. When we go there record. Okay. Great. And then I have a comment and case suggestion from Josie. All right. Thanks, jamie. Let's hear Josie, Jamie. Then Josie I took in jail. I am excited to be sent me a message. I listen to a lot of podcasts in and I've never sent a message like this before I really appreciate this unique opportunity with your podcast. I've never heard of another one allowing people to voice Nells. So this is new and I just listened to your podcast, and I've been binging on it. I really been enjoying it. I wanted to say a few things I just listened to bad medicine. And I wanted to say thank you Joe for taking opportunity to talk about how outdated and inaccurate and testing is on for especially for medical purposes that really for all purposes on. As fellow animal rights advocate. This is something that I wish more people were aware of. And I've found the physicians committee for responsible medicine is a really great and reputable website and organising people. Wanna learn more? I did have a case. Justin for you. This one hit whilst the home. It's the Valerie Jackson case V A L I R E. Valerie was a little girl that within still can Washington, and I had just moved there. And she literally lived up the road from me. I was about seventeen years old and she went missing in nineteen ninety nine and her father was initially reported her missing. And then soon became under suspicion, and what ended up happening is that he had murdered her because his new girlfriend wasn't interested in having a Valerie around and this case was kind of revolutionary because RAB murdered. Valerie. And he buried her body in he was under suspicion by abilities. And so they used GPS in this new technology time to track his movements and were able to follow him see that he had actually dug up her body and reburied it pretty terrible. There's a forensic files episode ominous and Valerie's birth mother on Roseanne pleasant stone. I believe her name also went missing, and they believe that rod might be responsible. So I remember seeing other podcast cover this case. And I would love to hear you to it late. I have a controversial thing to bring up. I don't drink him in war. But have you ever considered doing a non alcoholic beer, dick? I know some people don't drink. But I when I used to there was never a good non-alcoholic beer. So I'm just curious if with the popularity of all these breweries if. If there are any that are I guess worthy of your time and invite thanks again for the great podcast in all keep listening. Thank you. Joe? See? So I think that sounds like a horrible crime. You're in there might be two crimes. Yeah. Exactly. Right for interesting. This is another one of those just my preliminary search things didn't find much. So I think I wanted to dig a little deeper, but it sounds absolutely fascinating. He s and I just wanna thank her for the shout to the physicians committee for responsible medicine, which is a really great organization and they do promote a vegan diet and preventative medicine. So I don't wanna be preachy. But I do wanna thank her. And just if you're interested it is something to look into now. What about the alcohol free beer would just Joe Josie mentioned that, and I I would say there was a time many years ago when I decided to stop drinking, and that's right? You win a couple years. Note drinking. Yep. Did that as Josie said, I never found beer, the tasted like beer, they autism like crap. But lately, and I haven't tried these saw put that disclaimer in. But there's a company of f letting brewing company that makes non alcohol beers. Well, we should definitely try it. And they're supposed to be pretty good. So I'll look into that. And I'm certainly not adverse to reviewing the non alcoholic beer. So if I can find him and try one I'll give it a go. I think it's a good idea. I mean, usually I mean, I drink but beer makes me tired. So if I could have one without alcohol once in awhile, I think I'd like that. Now, the other thing I would say is there's there's no such thing as a non alcoholic beer, they all have teeny amounts of alcohol. So if we're talking about like the beers, I reviewer generally five to whatever percent and then. Not Oklahoma abuser less than point five percent. So they're basically alcohol-free, but not quite there's no way you can get drunk on them. No do peo-, right. Okay. I think that's an interesting thing to bring up. Yeah. I know think if I could find some out athletic brewing company beers. I'd give it a go. Right. Okay. Sounds good. We'll thanks for all the suggestions. In interesting questions. That was a really good voicemail. One more from Kayla. And she has a question that I hope I can answer. Hydro and dick this is Kayla. I live in Maryland. I've been a big fan of your show for about two years now, and I actually really love dick spear reviews, I've kind of been into doing wine tastings and being able to pick out the different notes in wine and how dick describes the beer has really led me to have new appreciation for it. And to try to taste all of those different notes in beer as well. I actually have a question for dick. So I guess I'm a little bit of a beer snob. In that. I hate drinking beer from cans. I always say that it doesn't taste is good. And that you know, I'll only drink it out of the bottle or from tap. Well, I wanted to know am I right in a m I. Being a snob. And actually, I'm getting married this year in our wedding venue. Only allows us to use canned beer or a keg. So I actually wanted your advice on if I should just get the canned beer, if it's fine taste, okay? Or if I should spring for the K if I really want something that tastes good. So I look forward to hearing your answer. Thanks. Okay. You take it from here. You can take this one. So I came congratulations on your upcoming wedding. Yes. Congratulations. Hope you'll be as happy as Jill. And I have been yes, I hope so too are in answer to your question or questions. The short answer is. Yes, you're being a snob. Most most people are going to Kansas days, and there several reasons cancer gonna keep your beer, fresher than bottles. There's no question cans are certainly lighter more recyclable. So you doing the environment favor by using cans versus bottles. So I can't cans at what they used to be right? This like lining in them. You're not gonna ruin the taste of the beer. It's good taste great. The only reason I would use bottled beers. Is. There are a lot of beers particularly Belgian beers that are for meant it again in the bottle secondary from intention, and you you wanna bottle for that. And as these those champagne bottles with the indentation on the bottom with the corks. Yes. Okay. So you can ferment the beer a second time, which you can't do you can't she'll explode the can so. There are some reasons to do bottles. But when you get married, I think cancer would be fine that we give you more variety or you can do kegs. And if you do kegs, I think you should do allegation Curio 'cause we did that at our wedding allegations one of my favorite breweries in Maine. I don't know if you can get in New Jersey, or wherever you said you were from I'm sorry. I forgot where you were. But I would suggest if you do a keg get some allegation Curio, and you don't have to get full kegs. They sell like one six and they six stills, which is a sixth vacate which is five gallons or half keg. Which is like fifteen gallons and a keg. Obviously is thirty thereabouts. Gladys possibilities there. But I wouldn't shy away the venue where you're having the wedding says cans or kegs cans would be fine. If you went to class it up a bit. You can have some nice glassware. So people aren't drinking out of the. Cans. Like that. I do. Okay. All right. So thanks Keva. Thank you question. You'll let me expand about beer. Yeah. That was great. We got a couple emails. So the first one is from MK because she didn't want to identify herself. Check his top secret. Okay. Don't say anything, but it's M K K. All right. So MK writes, this is the best true crime podcast. I've found you both do a great job breaking down the crime in providing insight. One of the best parts about this podcast is how you I detailed, but do not focus so much in the gory. Details I have had to stop listening to several other true crime podcast due to the heavy. Focus on violence and gory details, I would like to request an episode on the on solved case of Patty Atkins, petty disappeared after working the night shift at a Honda plant in Ohio. There is a lot of circumstantial evidence that a co worker is involved. But. There is virtually no physical evidence. This story has fascinated me for a long time. How can a person go missing without leaving a trace in? I would love to hear your take on this mystery. Thank you. Thanks for sticking me with all that stuff to read in the beginning. Dick, rose, very complementary wasn't excessive the complementaries Houston is little thing was lot. But okay am Cao's road. We haven't done cases because they're so gory premier we try to it's personal. I don't say better than anyone because of that. It's a personal choice that we're not comfortable with that wrote. So we gloss over or minimize the gory details, and they're certainly cases that we're not gonna do because they're too gory. I was just looking at one that was suggested for us to do that involved torturing a child was horrible. So I said I'm gonna do that now. Well, and if there's nothing to learn from it then. Why do it too? Right. So what do we know about petty app? Kuenz her missing persons file has been one of detective, Jeff steers active cases. Even though it's been thirteen years since she was west seeing clocking out of the Honda plant where she worked every once. In awhile employs at Honda will strike up a conversation about the case, and that will lead one of them to come in and share with their remember what they usually tell us. We already know. But if we feel it's important we jump on. So the records show she clocked at twelve nineteen June thirtieth two thousand one family members said she was slated to leave the plan for a week long vacation with a male friend. Now, she didn't return to her home and her young daughter who is now an adult hasn't heard from her. Most of the investigation is focused on central Ohio. Her disappearance has been featured on America's most wanted. And on NBC investigation discovery disappeared. And that's a great show. It is we watched it a lot. I wish they'd come out with some new episodes were waiting. Yes. But I mean, I think that'd be a good case to do though. Thirteen years tough one it is. But I give the detective credit for persevering. Right. I'm sure he is more cases than that one. Or, you know, those, but still well, I say we go ahead and watch the disappeared episode before we make a decision or you're definitely okay? So we've another case suggestion from Eliza and Elissa writes. Hi, dick. And Jill I'm a huge fan. I just discovered this podcast about three weeks ago. So I am in the very early episodes. Yikes. I think early two thousand seventeen rankings Wickenburg at those early ones, you cringe. They weren't that bid. I cringe about last week. So the way I have I think I'm in early two thousand seventeen. Right now, I'm not sure if you've gotten any requests for this missing young man's case, Chris Turner from Las Vegas, Nevada. But it is cold, and boy is it confusing. His all hell so much dirt on the mom and the living girlfriend. Rumors his mom is awful, and he is alive, but just hiding from her but also rumors that the girlfriend killed him. I don't know what to believe. And I would love TC's take on this fessing case, your this was another one I didn't find too much on to begin with. So I need to look more. But the interesting thing was that. This guy went missing August two thousand sixteen they opened a police report. But they talked to a person of interest who said they saw Chris, and they closed the case currently just done that verbal report that they'd seen Chris. So they're treating it as an adult who's missing right, which an adult can go missing. So that sometimes. A problem. Right. So despite the family's pleadings the case is closed, but the family wants it to be reopened because nobody's heard from him. Right. And it's just not likely that he's gonna disappear never speak to anyone. No, it isn't. So we need to look into that a little more. 'cause I'm sure there's more to it than what we've learned. He I think there was some shaky things about the girlfriend to your. Yeah. So let's do that. All right. So we'll look into that as well. Okay. All right. Well, thanks for this great discussion today. Dick, and thank you to all of our listeners for your feedback. We absolutely love it. And appreciate it very much. We sure do. Good feedback. Yes. So until next time. We'll see you at quiet end. We'll save seat. Yep. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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Butcher, Baker, Candlestick Maker

Fandom Zone Podcast

1:56:54 hr | 7 months ago

Butcher, Baker, Candlestick Maker

"Hello again everyone. Welcome back to the phantom zone podcast. I'm charles skaggs when your co hosts here on the fan zone as we're talking more to the boys season two as we get ever closer to the boys season. Two finale enjoyed once again of course by wonderful co host. Wonderful pow from across the pond. Shall we say and just generally a nice guy dj. Nick how're you doing nick. Hey charles i'm doing very very well. Thank you super happy to be with you once again. I always look forward to monday. I always love recording. I was before to mondays unlike garfield. I'm a fan of monday's these days. You're a fan of monday's. Well that's good now so yes mondays. It's going to be feeling a little weird though here in a couple of weeks when we after we've wrapped up and we'll be yes i'm gonna feel terribly bereft. I tell you unless we find something else to talk about. Well i think we have something in mind but not until january although true. There's going to be a couple of episodes of probably wanna do in the meantime because we're still have episodes one ninety nine in two hundred so close to two hundred. Yes so we should probably because here at we're right now. We're here episode one ninety seven as we talk butcher banker candlestick maker the sympathize episode of the boys season two aired on october. Second twenty twenty so just last month. Barely so yeah. We've got episodes one ninety eight ninety nine so want any eight next time so that least one ninety nine and two hundred so maybe you should cook up something to figure some now because those are big episodes. Yeah so start thinking of something you'd like to do to kind of if you're interested in maybe bring jesse and or whatever is to make it a little. He's probably momentous occasion he should he should so. I don't think we've forgotten about jesse because we certainly haven't so. Yeah we start thinking about that just kind of keep that data back burner for now because right now like i said we're talking but you're baker candlestick maker which was written by craig rosenberg. Who wrote the previous season two episode over the hill with the swords of a thousand men. Probably my favorite episode title of the season and also wrote the season one episode of the self preservation society in the female of the species from season. One like i said director by stefan. schwarz me the schwartz. Be with you. Baseball's reference convinced who directed the season. One episode good for the soul if you remember that so nick. There's a lot going on this one. As we kind of briefly discuss was running down our topics before we started recording. And we got a lot to talk about sarah. So in general what are what are your thoughts on this one. Well as often is the case with a an episode leading up to a season finale the penultimate exactly. There's a lot to wrap up before you get to the big climax. everybody owns. Who's getting ready for for. The last episode was like okay. So how are we going to get to showing everybody. The how old the storylines up somewhat in the in the in these lost episodes so they obviously. It is jam packed. I'm actually surprised that the run time is actually lower compared to previous episodes because i figured this would probably be an hour. Plus right this is about fifty four minutes give or take but but yet they were able to condense so much into roughly roughly analogous unless i believe the runtime about fifty five minutes. But it's great story that's still nothing to sneeze at though fifty four minutes is pretty good for man especially when you think about like the cw which with commercial after commercials after you take all the commercials out probably run. What forty minutes at best. Yeah more looking about three quarters of an hour there so still gets a good decent amount of programming and unlike unlike snooze certain shows that we run forty five minutes where they don't use the time wisely here they are very very yelm goods at dosing. Things i should. I should say it's it's so well done. I really enjoyed this. It's a great lead in to what comes next. They were very thrifty when it comes to this. They spent time wisely right in. Especially when you consider there's so much going on but like you said. I think you're absolutely right that the delegated their time wisely and we're very efficient about it. They touch on a lot of things but they don't dwell on them. So therefore i think you get a little bit more bang for your buck per minute in this episode very much. I mean it can. It can go both ways because you are opening various doors. It's tennis maybe even more challenging when you get to the finale of how'd you wrap up everything that you've put out there but so far pretending good. We haven't seen the finale just yet. it is very very well orchestrated. We didn't see the finale. Know what what savelli. I'm the way you're talking about right. There's no episode. Who knew i was surprised. I guess we'll just have to wait and be surprised like everybody else right right. There was a few actors. I wanted to mention as guest cast this time. Some pretty notable once a noble in particular. John noble playing. Sam butcher. Billy butcher's father which i love the casting in this one. Oh yes big. John noble fan. He of course played death or in the lord of the rings trilogy. Yeah it was a nice day. The rings get together bad between them of course. Ao man and then the through curl. Yeah yes pretty barely okay. So maybe it wasn't as good as it could have been because well denna for and ill mer weren't related in lord of the rings true but it's a nice representing rohatyn representing going door. I thought that was kind of very look at echo up in florida. The rings look at you naked. St one ring to rule them. All this episode thank you. I tried being token found for that known pays off. I guess excellent. Yes maybe we need to talk about those movies. One of these days but i got to become. I was became a huge apple fan in addition to lord of the rings but fringe that he was on played care. Doctor walter bishop who i adored he was essentially like the second delic taking version of the doctor from doctor who almost a lot of ways that the doctor walter bishop was was this brilliant physicist that discovered parallel worlds and as a result Eventually crossed over to a parallel world to retrieve his dead son. The parallel world version of his dead son. Peter and brought him back. But walter bishop was just such a fun character. A fund unpredictable character completely. Unlike dennis for you you could love you. Love to hate dennis thorn or the rings but you just loved walter bishop because he was always doing something crazy. Something unexpected and just a joy to joy to watch i gather. You're a fan of the series as well. Oh yes and i want and the voice john. Noble is another whose blessed with a beautiful voice. I would kill for his voice seriously. You're in both. And of course. I do remember him as well as being the better part of sleepy hollow the tv show. Yes yeah he was that and also known him. As i've been going my wife. Laurie and i have been going back through elementary. The cbs td series which is kind of like a modernized. Sherlock whole sure no cones. Yeah not like the The one you know. Essentially like a more americanized version being on. Cbs than the bbc version with benedict cumberbatch. But he played caretaking immoral and holmes who was introduced as sherlock's father and became a recurring character of the show. I mean i. Don't want to digress too much house by me. Because i'm a huge huge fan of the shadow. Combs started correspondent. Cumberbatch is elementary worth it. You for both my benefit and for the listeners. Benefit fans to check it out i think they should. I think they should check it out now. Personally i prefer the sherlock that stars benedict cumberbatch and martin freeman. But when you know you burn through all those episodes then check out elementary. I think you find it. It's it's it's it's own thing. Jonny lee miller is a completely different homes but he gives it his own spin and they definitely play up the d. recovering addict and angle with homes in this show. More of the kinda heroin conduct thing to maybe a cumberbatch. Yeah because he regularly goes to meetings and whatnot and he's constantly struggling with it. It gets addressed every so often he's sober soper for the most part but you know every rarely so often he does fall off the wagon. So it's a completely different take than benedict. cumberbatch is version. And i'm so looking forward to the new season of sherlock dave announced. Yeah exactly works. I am so looking crossed right. We'll see what happens. And he's a. You know. Jonny lee miller. I know where you need to get on. But johnny's emailer has of obviously a very different dynamic with lucy liu as his watson in this young of course compared to maasim freeman. And of course you may. May it stands to reason so so. It's a completely different dynamic. And but i think it's also equally valid if you're looking for that modernized sherlock holmes take out chicken opposite recommended. Check it out. See what you think all right so yeah big fan of Of john noble lesley nicol plays connie butcher and she may be familiar to people who are fans of showdown naby. Because hey she plays. Mrs patmore right the ever frazzled. Mrs patmore be kitchen chef. Kitchen cook that woman seriously. She. she's a just a joy to watch on data abby and very interesting to see her in this role a complete change obviously because well. Hey she's a very talented actress and can do a number number of different types of roles but But it's definitely after seeing her for so long as mrs pat bore. It does take some adjusting to realize that she's playing butchers mom in this and i believe she's actually british because i went and did my research when it came to bushes aren't yes and she's she's a canadian actress. That's why the accent in sit right with me there. You go look at dick's doing his homework to. That's look on kind source. Sit here and that you you know drive and everything else from me. Just relax to. Actually i appreciate that. See i just wing it but you know dixit responsible one. I guess today in. John dort john doman. Excuse me john doman plays joan vogel bomb and who is very important in the in the boys comic mythos and if you're a fan of the tv show gotham from not too long ago. You probably recognize him. Of course as carmine falconi or falco depending on your pronunciation yes but always preferred fell cone. But that's me that's actually closer to the the italian. If you because the italian would be fun. Corner golding okay. Yes which is big falcon which alkan. Yeah and i loved him in that he. He embraced the italian mob. Boss so well so you proved of his Portrayal yes because you're a horrible person embracing that italians. it's the only thing we keep digressing here. But hey it's us. So that's kind of disappointed me about his portrayal of falcon on gotham was. He didn't have the facial scar that that Fell cohn has in the comics particularly in batman the long halloween one of my favorite all-time batmans stories because it's clearly attributed capone and yes to the godfather and everything else but yeah carmine. The roman falcone's great comics comics. Yeah great convicts indeed so. I just thought we mentioned those notable actors in this one so trivia. So if you're wondering of course about what your baker candlestick maker how it compares to the comics because it's been a running theme this season. The this one comes from the limited series. The boys butcher baker candlestick maker which was like a six issue miniseries one of the things that was notable about the boys convicts was that periodically throughout the run. The regular seventy two issue run would be kennedy spinoff miniseries that would focus on a either a character or a couple of characters and give them a little bit more depth. You know the room to kind of explore their backgrounds. A lot of back story right so in this one Which i'm holding in my of course my hands here which factors in asset volume ten in the trade paperback election. If you're wondering with a butcher's big smiling mug on that noticing nope beard right no beard of butcher. So it's a little weird. when karl urban started Doing his performance with a beard kind of through initially for a bit. But i got over it. Oddest ruined the opposite house. Because i'm not reading the comments wage whereas the fool did you know. So you're you're coming from the reverse angle. That i came at it as light right so how far you in out of curiosity well no. I've only read. I think now five issues. Okay so you just the early days yet that's good. I'm i'm pacing myself because i don't want to devour it and then i've got nothing left so you finish the cherry storyline correct. I'm just i just finished at one. Okay good good but but in this one but your bigger candlestick maker in the comics which returns to london to view the body of his deceased father. So a little bit of a connection to this episode. Although in this episode is father's not quite dead yet and in london he reminisces about what led him on his path of vengeance against superheroes so this essentially is the big origin of y butcher hates superheroes and we also get the story of how he falls in love with becky saunders. The covid book version of becca on the tv series and she was a social worker. Then they get married but their honeymoon is horribly interrupted with seven show up at their hideaway and later on in the after. Some awkward events happen Butcher wakes up one night it gets interrupted when the seven show up at was errors. Tv gets wasted one night when he finds becky disembowelled by a fetus. That was within her and as we know from the tv series while she had a superpower child who is much older tv series but here it was a fetus flea formed fetus that had superpowers so we got see the fetus. Hovering in mid air with is glowing. So you've got that to look forward to ninety sand literally rips its way out of its mother's pretty much yeah yeah so So dealer say billy does not react well to this and this is where we get the revelation that the homeland her was responsible for the rape pregnancy and death of butcher's wife combo. So it's a completely again different Turn of events from tv series and much. It's so be prepared. I won't go into more detail. Because i know you're reading. But that's the basic highlights. These comics have seriously. They even have ba- fetuses good care. Whatever mothers. I'm just just picture creepy looking baby hovering in mid air with glowing eyes and this still has the umbilical cord attached and and i thought that the ancient greek myths when nuts. Because if you read the real greek. We even grimm's fairy tales. I thought those were nuts. They are nothing competitively. I personally recommend edith. Hamilton's mythology for greek mythology. That's a great one the s. actually i. Yeah go ahead read that stephen. Fry's mythos is brilliant as well folks wanna. I haven't read. Then you get kind of get kinda tongue-in-cheek she would say retelling of the greek myths by stephen fry who's a apparently quite the scholar in that sense but it's fantastic and he actually got the job because i love stephen. Fry's voice in our high traditions to stephen fry. Read to me another guy my fist that with his coal. Great voice you. I'm so envious of and You already mentioned that. Both john noble and karl urban store starred in the second and third lord of the rings films together so all right four topics like i said lots to talk about here. Topic number one. Let's talk lamp lighter. Huey and senator victorian newman. Who's a character. you need to keep an eye on. Just leave that there for anyone. New hasn't watched ahead so later in huey After the events of last episode later has been brought in by the boys and is going to be willing to testify against vaught in hearings. That newman is apparently holding on capitol hill. Essentially he later meets with victoria. Newman and says that well storm front. Gave the orders. He just executed them as a as overseeing that. Sage grove complex that we talked about last episode that are staffed with or filled with rejects of compound v testing on fully matured humans. So give them superpowers so So essentially he's a key witness in this and huey because of his recent injury in the previous episode where he was severely impaled bleeding everywhere. Iraqis even survived. Let me just say that run through the show miracles but you know exactly. Well i think it kind of helped us Starlight kind of does she use your power. Jakarta is yeah. Yeah that helped too so there was a little bit of an intervention there on that one but but because of his injuries hueys kind of left to babysit lamp lighter while waiting for the hearings so So what are your thoughts on these two because they do share a good number of scenes together and number movies and a good number reform movies yet data in the daytime no less. So so what did you make of these. Two interacting and huey and lamp wider. Kind of coming into realizations about themselves. A little bit. Here's the thing. I find that huey when he's in the zone he's a very good. Pete person rideau people rita right because at first you know you can feel that. It's just like so cold. In that room it could be an operating theater. That's how cold is there but Because he's trying to make some sort of conversation. I guess to pass the time if you will while lamp lighter is watching these ridiculous pool movies superhero porn essentially an point basically porn versions of the seven as well. That's right and i'm still trying to understand what his reasoning is is behind that as in you know either he's just seems almost like just sit back and watch this trash just the pasta time. All humor sees as lampooning the people that he hates because it seems very sort of odd to me is why somebody would watch porn just like that. You know as if it were wallpaper wallpaper. That's what he's doing. He's watching movies. Well if i could. I might show up an observation something that was expressed in this episode. That might have some bearing here. So later tells hughie at one point that he's essentially dead because he of his upcoming testimony at the hearing the soon he gives that testimony. He knows he's dead. The seven will come gunning for him so especially homeland lander. So at this point he seems almost fatalistic a little bit. He's he's kind of resigned himself to this fate so he's essentially going well. Look i don't care about anything anymore. I just want something to help me pass the time. So you're in mindless going to some kind of mind this activity. Yeah you know. It's like he's probably going well. I enjoy porn. So i'm just gonna go ahead and watch as much as i can. I suppose that's how you want to spend your hours possibly owner own judgments here. But but you know huey being huey obviously taken aback by this and so it becomes kind of a little bit of an odd couple. These two and again to this discussion about who is what's commonly referred to as a cuck these days. Which if you're not go ahead. I was just gonna say that if you're not familiar with the term cook is a you know popular slang right. Now that's kind of a modernized version of the word 'could meaning kind of a week. Wimpish met you know. It's it's designed a word designed to emasculate someone to portray them as being so we can and wimpish that their wife will cheat on them with somebody else so someone like a real man like yeah because the original terminology as a man who's been cheated on yeah nature exactly so so derives from the work cold but but essentially it's kinda like derogatory used by a lot of shall we say all alt-right extreme right people to kind of denigrate democrats democrats in leftist in people per of a progressive persuasion. Shall we say yeah because like you're so wimpy that's your wife. Your wife is being sleeping with other men. Because you're not man enough to bring the goods if you'd deliver. The goods. regardless of the fact exposes their insecurities along the way their own insecurities along the way you compensate it pretty much pretty much just trying to build your self care someone else down in the process of trying to build yourself up and a lot of ways so so we get into this debate. A little bit and huey now dying to know your thoughts on this but essentially talks about saying that they applied earlier you know is acting like a cock and is like do you want to be that or do you want to be the guy who has sex with the cuts wife especially when he finds out that especially when he finds out that starlight has been arrested and exposed as a traitor within the seven year because he finally gets control of the of the remote. Yeah i he tries to get control moton and lies like flipped over the almost. How smoke you kinda rate but and it's interesting that once again. The theme running through this is using sexual connotations to stick it to the man if you will because it starts here and then of course. Numerous characters will use the term. You know. I'm going to f this guy and you want to f these people up those kind of thing so it's almost seems like in this case. The theme is sexual overtones to express that right. Yeah essentially the metaphor of dating someone. Yeah yeah and and. But i. I can't i can't blame. He kind of feeding super awkward in this situation. Because skies watching is reduced these terribly cheesy poll news and not even classy porn goonies. Come the acting is terrible. So so so nick as he aficionado of porn. Now what he's he's how would you rate the. He's a funny story about the genetic because there have been times storyteller when when when myself with genetic in his youth was hanging out with his buddies and possibly high or drunk on on certain substances going to go further into that. That's just channel surfing in the wee hours of the morning. And you get these these movies and we started to have these very philosophical talks about a porn movie with the story and there's pool in just for the sake i like all the stories so threadbare they just having sex. It's terrible infield whether it's new story. Nobody intrigue those are good pool. Moody's okay so you're so you're kind of approaching it from a more of a connoisseur. Yes appreciation from cinematic. You're admiring the Production values a little bit. Or just the the the the the story content the script. You're not so focused on on the sex. You're focused on. Am i getting quality story out of this. You which is really weird like there have been times when somebody's mind just for laughs or the friday. We'd get together more shapur movie and we've actually debated afterwards saying oh. The plot was so thrilled to bear. Why did that guy his come up in. So it's actually hysterical to do. I mean it's obviously porn is made for that reason. It's always done to be reviewed. But i think just have been another podcast nick. Warren warming go exactly creighton. Criticizing the cinematic quality of mornings. I guess i know i. Apparently they actually ex porn actors and actresses to do that. But that's the other thing. But yeah i feel to go back to. The point is yes. I can't blame you for being for feeding so kind of awkward in this moon because as you said possibly in a lamplight feels that his time on this earth short and he's coming to the end of his mortal coil like i said he's failing listrik. Yeah a little bit right now and hughes trying to interact with him kind of like you know. Come all magnets talk about so and then you find gets control of the of the remote and boom. He sees obviously that. The big story is that starlight has been outed as a traitor to the seven. All we can't just sit around and do some and then he the great thing about. That's why i say good it's worth with people is he uses lamplight lighters words against him. Yeah rather he. 'cause he understands the to relate to people you have to use the same language that they do because they then relate to you yes and and he uses those and that's why i think he's a great communicator. He knows how to use. Communicate tries to speak to on his level to persuade him and uses arguments again. Like you said so. So huey especially after he finds out that Starlight has been imprisoned and reveals that. Well hey just so happens. That i think i know where starlight is that. Apparently there's a secret especial holding facility for soups called forty two d which. I kinda wonder about that name a little bit but you know. Maybe that's me just still thinking about the porn. I don't know no don't feel bad. I went them. I said i think you were supposed to personally. Yeah because sex is the theme here as sexual metaphors. Yes yeah. Yeah so so huey once he finds out that the facilities like oh we gotta go in there and limp player at. I is like no we. Don't but huey eventually convinces him to do this in this rescue operation to you to go in and get any out. So so what did you make of their attempts as they break in to the facility before we get into Or maybe go ahead and start talking about it talking about later once they get inside the facility. What did you make of lamp liars reaction to finding out that his statue has been removed from the conference room. What my first thing is the big problem i used to have with the arrow verse was how rubbish security was same thing with the boys. Security is garbage. This is supposed to be void tower and everything else. Those super high tech secure and you'd think they would have dated the sokoto reason earning code. Yeah 'cause he public- places his palm on the on the rideau on the palm reader whatever it and it still works like come on guys. How long has it been since lamplight was out of the seven seriously folks. You know you figure it's a it's a headquarters for a bunch of superpower people that maybe everybody's not going to be so eager to break into it. I don't know. I mean. I know it's just it just seemed i know i'm nitpicking. Here just seem a little bit. Kinda guy hasn't been in the group for a while you kind of changed. The locks once kicked the guy out of the house but you know just full apparently well maybe they didn't because none of them thinking about it because remember he was working with storm front no of course he was working at the facility so maybe they let him keep his access in case he needs to come in and report. It could be that because but the thing is we see. Lamplight almost questioning is. I hope this still were so he because they might have revoked his. Yeah he might not have been about it. But don't behold the we. Right in the sanctum sanctorum of tower. I see what you can thrown out that doctor strange reference a little bit kinda had to but yet to get your the point. You're making a pizza sees the statue. Well i was. I didn't expect him to have such a dramatic reaction because knowing what we know about employed to so far he doesn't seem type to be like. Wow they took my statue away. Grunted then comes out that he says i only went to make my father proud right so it could be almost that of maybe me and my i went to on my father's memory and still there so we assume that lamplight is data is no longer with us so it's almost like almost feels like it's am soak to his personal factor. I wanted to make dad proud. And they'd taken this away and that's why he totally loses it. But i was most over the top but it's like but i guess seeing in context of you did it because you wanted to make you folks proud and that's no longer there. You've stripped him down even more so than outright. He was super depressed. And now he's like six feet under the blast. Yeah that's that's. I think i agree. You have to keep dissidents context because we were talking about earlier that he's already decided that he's dead at this moment anyway because of testifying so he goes there. Maybe they try to have a little bit of hope. It is statue would still be in there. And he's horribly disappointed in this letdown. And it's almost kind of like the final straw that broke the camel's back. That is like okay. that's it. i'm completely done now. And that's what he decides to commit suicide by lighting himself on fire. 'cause i in fact that raises a question as well because it's incredibly serendipitous that he this killing himself. Yeah starts the fire system. Go off of course would comes down and starts and huey is freaking out while this is going on. Because he doesn't know that they're young in the meantime that starts happening able to save so free because of the flashing alarm going on and off right so allow the. Yeah the urgency lights kick in and she can apparently draw from that. That's why i was almost in two minds of does he know that kidding himself will set off the the the the the emergency system and the fact that starlight will be able to use the lights to open up her self doubt it. I think too convoluted to think that he knew that that would happen. And i don't see him as being so selfless as sacrificing himself so that she could be freed. I just thought it was just so overwhelmed by this feeling of finality that he experiencing that he just like okay. That's it i'm done. I'm i'm taking myself off the board now before somebody else does it for me. So as i said it was pure serendipity than what he was able to allow Escape yeah that's my take on it. Yeah i think so but But it was very interesting. I thought and then Obviously now victoria. Newman doesn't have a witness for this. And that leads to a whole other thing going on. We're gonna talk about but but now go to mention leaves poor huey in the lurch. Yeah not knowing how the hanky is going to get out of there and where starlight is right so in huey Little desperate at this point especially trade. Now what did you make of huey solution to To get now we're gonna talk about anne and in a minute more but What did you make of huey solution to get them out of the facility. Well shopping's chopping lamplight lighters handoff. It is the boys so of course. No gesture is too is too big for the boys altogether to goto graphic right and and i guess this is another example of the lengths that he has to go to out so outside of his character but at the same time i have to say kudos to the guy he thinks on his feet. 'cause he he is desperate but at the same time he says i'm going to have to get out of here so he's still able to keep his head in a crisis. Say what you will q. Is obviously very handy in the crisis. So his lamp lighter re yes. That's why i think it's Maybe shows that as well because instinct. He's like. I'm going to have to get out of here. So maybe taking a page from the butcher playbook he does. The butcher will probably have done without blinking an eye. Just hops over there right severs the chaps hand off he goes yeah although with huey it's obviously a little bit of panic mixed in with decision making probably yeah and not to mention. I'm sure the guy's not used to cutting up bodies just at random. Say if you notice. Huey was struggling trying to get that. Hand severed exactly. The man is not a pro. That's not how you do it. You know that we're going to criticize his hand. Severing skills exactly. I could see kind of gordon ramsay showing up. That's not how you cut you. cut this way. Giora complete moron. What's wrong with you. I kinda wanted gordon. Ramsay to chopin. How you chop things there go. That's a you know if you're a fan of the tv show chopped that brings meaning to the you know if they're cooking show chopped yet here in the state all right so other related note. Let's talk. Let's move onto our second topic so let's talk about it from any perspective. How she got into that facility in the first place so she goes to. She goes to meet her mom and she She meets up with her mom at a coffee. Place called the jitter. Bean which seems oddly familiar to a certain. Cc jitters on on on the arab shows especially the flash. Yes so. I have to wonder why thel intentional. Nod to the flash. It's hard to say. But i'm thinking maybe it being a superhero show. It could have been intentional but then again how many different versions of visually say coffee related puns or jokes. Can you use because we have the daily grind. We have jitters. We have so. I wonder whether the folks the the writers were kind of scrambling saying what can we call this place. It's konin needs and gives the idea of coffee. 'cause you can't use the daily grind that's taken. You can't use gypsum. Oh okay that's to be. I don't know it could be a better everything i suppose. Or if you remember The coffee bean that was back in classic amazing spiderman convex. I believe they go as well. Yes but but yeah with your favorites thing you child and hot and hot hot. Yes little little side note. I actually got that worked into a convict that i wrote for dc comics. Because i wrote. I wrote a A generator rex story for. Dc's at the time they were doing the cartoon network action. Pack which had stories of benton eh generator rex. The enemies shows the kids animated shows so I actually got to work that in i. I had one character generator rex character. Go looking for a. They're in a shopping mall and had them looking for a a a coffee shop and they just happened because there was a kids comic. I had i called it. Darn good coffee and hot that they went to nine. Yeah see look at this. This chapel. Ladies and gentlemen. He is a celebrity in his own rights but the act so humble of a celebrity in my own mind. Thank you much. Yeah by everybody gets the right for these comics. Well we got to read a few comics for them. But you know we could say i got i wrote for dc comics there on your. You may yes i can. I can actually put that on my writing resume that yes. I wrote for dc comics. So got that going for me which is nice so anyway So any meets up with their mother. Like i said and any at this point doesn't really want to sit down with her mother. She's like Yo donna says well. I'm not leaving town until we talk this out you know. She's still butting having problems dealing with her mother and her mother is trying to reach out to her and any kind of confides in her that the seven essentially do nothing all the time. It's just for money. And donna's trying to reassure her saying look. I'm here for you. We should just get away on her own. And then there's the awkward conversation change when she tells anne that she's already cleared it with ve ought and called them an hour ago and that's at that point you hear the record scratch and things go completely sideways from that point on when black noir shows up to capture her. So what did you make of. What dot did okay. We'll her daughter as an audience. Naturally our reaction would be you. Such a dates is wrong with you right. You should have your head examined. Chef gordon ramsay coming and going what is wrong with you shaking him as as russ yes but from an audience standpoint because we know what has been going on what seven or about etc etc seeing it from donors gong as point of view as much as i think. She's a head examined by the world's best doctors at the same time. It's coming from a place of a good place goodness because she doesn't know about all the sordid terrible things to get up to. That's why i say as an audience we get the reaction old. You're you're you're you're stupid but but that's obviously the reaction lewi should have been looking at it from donald perspective. She's trying to do something nice for her daughter. She is like you need a break. Will you need to know. Maybe let's you and i. We can go somewhere all about wanting to take on holiday you that you mentioned say. Let's take a break. Go somewhere so she was acting in good faith. She obviously didn't think that suddenly ta gasol will whatever it was would come through the window and everything else would go south. So i think as much as she may be isn't with the program will doesn't get on the trolley. If you will get to use that phrase right it does come from a good place. I still can't forgive her for taking money and making her child into a soup. That's something. I don't forgive when i don't condone but i think she's trying to make up for the mistakes that she made. Whether whether you thoughts shows well. I take your point. I see that i can understand that. Yes maybe she was approaching it from good intentions. But as we you know like the saying goes. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Me so the way. I see it. Is that more. That donna was the victim of her own knife today that that even after her daughter has tried to say look. These people are horrible You know you don't understand what's going on. Donna still reached out to lot in her navy. Tae like i said and mother knows right exactly. You know 'cause as as we've seen especially in season one she was essentially a stage. Mom you know that type that would You know that the stage mom in the sense of you know like with child stars or wannabe child. Stars parades them out there for the to try in the hopes of turning them into a celebrity and then managing their career from the side essentially try to live vicariously through their children. Natalie would possibly who had the problem with her parents who like super helicopter parenting great. Yeah might have been so. I'm not sure. I have to ask our friends and sprouse malik. She's very good with dishing out the dirt on on she totally. Yeah she That goes without saying says. Is this a credible encyclopedia of knowledge. That i am so envious of you and me both be very much helicopter parents but yeah go ahead but also if if you ever saw the tv show jessica jones in comparison cats pepsi will walkers Or as trish walker on the tv share show. Her mom was a stage. Mom that bermuda pat patsy trish was a child star. A very popular child star was managed by her mother so essentially like that. So so i'm thinking. Donna here in his mom was coming from the approach that will. Hey you know we need to get you focused and back to what the way you were so just calvados. They'll work things out. Everything will be fine. Then you can go back around You know going to various religious events and speaking there used to and everything will be fine. Yeah that's a big problem. Is i think because you mentioned well said of course. The anne is actually told her mom in previous occasions. It's not it's not all fun and games more to it but the problem is that how mom is hearing her listening to her in. Which is the big difference. There's still this big communication divide between the two young and But maybe at this point maybe after this event after being captured and locked up. Maybe donna might come around. Hopefully at this point it might not some sense into. I hope so. I hope so because you know you you you expend it perfectly. The whole fact of she possibly still wants to live. The fantasy of. I raised my child to be celeb- in this case to be a soup i don't want to ruin that living vicariously through her daughter and that's all she knows she doesn't daughter as yes because she's done nothing with life except push the pedal this child with around english mom in being the stage mom and she doesn't want to possibly see that shattered because that's possibly her his own there in her life. That's so she's got going right now. So that's breaks. It almost completely devoid of any reason of. What have i done with my life right. It could be crazy traumatic for as well. Yeah so so. Essentially she pushes her daughter. She's trying to push her daughter in this other direction. Her daughter doesn't wanna go quite frankly. So we'll see how it works out. Yeah obviously he gets. Captured has to be rescued by huey and sort of lamp lighter. I guess indirectly but i'm so glad it wasn't rescuing the damsel in distress charles. I'm so happy that they need in the middle. And he's kind of like to use the star wars reference. I woke. I'm here to help you. I'm glad i'm here. I'm here k. I'm glad we didn't get that moment because obviously it's a different show because it's more like evil. Hey you got yourself out. Well cool okay. Let's go awarded now. Meanwhile while this is going on Creek we need to talk about. I think at this juncture. Yes has has been having more problems with elena. Her girlfriend and elena has told me that she's going to her sister's because she can't stop thinking about the little girl on the plane that ms abandoned with with home later and does not take this well flips over table way to spoil good fos food granted junk food but heck she. Yeah ooh that junk food though. I'm like you just do that. Food's bad greg. Five second rule you know you pick it up. It's good it's all right clicking picking up quickly before it gets Germs on it. But you know maybe that's just the former college bachelor me. I guess once upon a time in my viewing of american tv shows. I've found myself saying that to myself when something drops like second role exactly. So it's probably loaded with preservatives anyway. It's probably like Indestructible that So after this. This awkward fight essentially goes on a bender and her assistant ashley walks in on her having a threesome. With two guys. In an ashley freaks out about this going like you. America's second favourite lesbian couple. What are you doing and you know you get yourself back on track. Because you know that's our brand and they've understandably tells ashley to you know be an effing human for once. It actually reminded me chose. I don't know you familiar with the british comedy. My family i am not. Let's about what is that. I mean it's hilarious. It's obviously you know the title song about this functional family where you have the dodgers dentists crazy the wipe was kind of going through midlife crisis and the two kids and these two kids wanted to Who wants to name of janey. Access weeks works up the scam to wish. She pretends to be a lesbian and her father being on the conservative side at. I is not very happy about this. Towards episodes ends she comes out and says i'm not actually gay. And he has the reaction which kind of made me think of ashes. Looks how dare you not be gay. You built it up. You know like how could you. How could you do this to me. That's funny. I made me go to my family. But it's it's a great show. If you get to to check it out. I think if you enjoy good. Old bbc comedies. Like foods in the lowest says or stuff like that. You'd love my family. It's at least a couple of the. I two three seasons iranian radio good. You've just reminded me that. I really need to get brit bucks subscription at some point so that i can watch all that stuff. Oh i mean the good. Old bbc had had a craving only fools and horses a couple of days ago. I so wanted to watch that again. Because i was a huge fan but yeah they just don't make them like anymore but we bbc america over here but they all they show are like star trek. The next generation runs. It's ridiculous like there's there's more american programming on bbc america than there is british program which is ridiculous. Bring back the fawlty towers the crackers though. That's not i mean. The young ones the young ones. Oh man was brilliant of a huge young ones fan. You bring back the good. Old bbc stop because that was just my hero speaking of superheroes areas but not go back to the thing. Obviously it's a pr nightmare for. Actually you naturally. Because you know she's like he's supposed to be our protest. This is all ashley worries about. So yes she's freaking about. This man i think may may actually finally be setting ashley straight no pun intended about the facts there about the fact of quit being so so crazy about stuffing low yourself to the level of the people. It's not it doesn't have to be. Muslims have to be a pr spin on stuff which may have ramifications down the line. How actually considers the way. She does her job interesting. Yes wanted here. You know maybe going on the binged like you said to get her feedings out. Frustration unlike homeland possibly goes and destroy somebody. She uses her faith through drugs and sex. Because obviously we clearly see the drugs have been used in this situation as well so she you bring you bring up a good distinction because homeland or destroys things while mave is more self destructive. That's right it shows you. How how how the the characters deer with trauma how they have the intel. The internalize their their problems. I guess may members more the self destructive type and we can actually see the tears her eyes you know when the wind. She talks about it because she's likely to be a human for once because she's obviously clearly distraught over how things went down between her and the lane obviously on sees she's clearly. It's like when you get when you find you go to the pub and you find the drunk who's kind of in tears because his wife won't take back and he's like i'm destroying myself because i can't go home because my wife won't me no more kinds of things now. I wanna play like classic country. Music might be this good. I have a big fan of hank williams senior definitely. Yep all right so so myth after her shall we say threesome joie if you will Ends up becoming involved in all the chaos of huey. Any donnas breakout from from the holding facility so so so after Sterling gets out of her cell black noir attacks. Her in in a rather surprising moment move comes to her rescue and crims of all things and alvin joy in his mouth because he has a tree nut allergy and owen a little side trivia. Now i'm thinking about it. I forgot to mention this trivia section. Apparently the actor that plays blackmore suggested this because he has a real life treat allergy. Oh wow nyack into this show cool. Yes somehow so a little. I thought that was interesting. At least that's what. I came across in my research. I don't l. guessing that's legitimate but you never know but either way it's interesting right so oh yeah maybe thought. Let's we need to figure out. Come up with a way to stop black new war at this point. He probably said oh. Yeah we'll just cramming alva- joy del by throat because of allergic to those you have to find kind of is this guy's kryptonite here is like bringing a potentially indestructible so. Yeah so So i thought that was an interesting. You know it may have actually taking a stand here against you know in helping at the. There is a very interesting moment between her and starlight. Where stark says. Just come with us. You know we can help. You and med is like no not giving this up. Or i'd like no. I can't leave right now. Probably maybe because she feels she has to be there to protect from home lander true and maybe because she wants to enact her own revenge with the whole black box playing and everything else. Because you'd like maybe. I have everything figured out. I don't wanna ruin this right now. But i got this trust me. It did it. Did leave me a little bit tied. It made me left me wondering of. There's more to this. It's just i you know 'cause one pregnant. She's concerned about lane into because she has her own escape plan. So that might ruin that if she because. I'm sure that if there wasn't that she'd be moving the gung ho to join the boys if you will so it's because i've got my own plan. It's all good. You know kind of thing. But you're saying i'll do my thing. Trust me a work. A plus. If you think about i suppose the coming it's homeland from different sides. So we won't see him coming which is actually more clever tactic in the. Yeah i suppose yeah exactly exactly so you kind of a war on two fronts. If you will see what you're saying. I see what you're saying this well i wanna know from. It's kind of hard. Because i have expectations of bed as a character from the comics. Because that's where. I know her most from soon the so in the complex. Math is very She doesn't like to get involved. She is very cautious Very reluctant person as far as engaging homeland or doesn't wanna take direct steps against him so so it was nice. You know she. It was as kind of consistent also with the comic version where she'll go she'll take step but she doesn't step too far and is it like eager to make the big big moves. She takes very slow. Small cautious moves. And she's thinking more long term. I think than probably any other characters are thinking right now to use. That's quote ripples waves. Yes yes so. I so i think may have is playing more of a longterm game here where everybody else playing a short term fix drew. Yeah at a lot of ways issues. Kind of like for the long haul and i'm also wondering is do you think at this point. We ought to assume grounded. Okay we have a whole another episode coming up but are we to assume that blackmore's this this point is going to die well. I think it's a safe assumption. But the question is whether it happens now or later we haven't gotten a big reveal yet that important for black d'ivoire now so i know i was kind of being provocative in that. Oh okay all right all right. I'm saying as the viewers. Would you have to if the person i'm not knowing what happens when you're safe to assume the black one's going to die. I would say. I would say yes. It's you would think that blackmore is going to die away his peers and he's kind there on the floor yes in can foaming a little bit at the mouth of mistaken or something. I can't tell you we still have the mask on so he probably probably in you know kinda. Yeah writing pain. Yes yes so you think it seemed like because that's what i thought it was like okay. He's dead okay. We're done with him bright. And that's that's understandable but we'll see we'll see but to think he's dead but then you know you always thought jaws was dead at mind yes or to use an mcu mcu quote at the end of the films. Yes lack nor will return question mark the end or is it. why should mark. Yes all right anything else about these characters for vivant no i mean i think i think we pretty much everything i just mentioned. The fact that being so will the story was so written. The fact is is the fact that we get our a actors and cactus coming together again. So fluidly was brilliant. I'm just so glad was done the way it was done as it wasn't let's rescue the princess and they're kind of like super mario going off the rest of the speech or will new. I woke again to rescue princess. Leia i like that. I really appreciate it. So it's Because i'm a proud feminist. So i like i like my women. Strong will not being the damsels in distress. Girls get it done. I see you see all right topic number three. Let's talk about home. Lander storm fronts ryan and becca so home later takes another step about it ongoing quest to become a father to ryan who now he know whom he now knows. There you go that has superpowers. Just like him not to mention trying to be like the best boyfriend in the world to to storm front once again. Let's see how. I can impress storm front even more so before they do before they go to visit ryan. They addressed the crowd and talk about how Storefront says. Well you know. There was an earlier in the episode. There was a clerk that gets killed as shooting and in the process of trying to act like she's not stoking fear toward immigrants or and portray them as soup terrorists stoking that fear she actually actively does stoke those fears against the quote unquote godless soup. Terrorists in the us so it it's something that unfortunately donald trump used a lot where he would say. Well i've tried to stoke any fear but then do the exact opposite in response women but that rhetoric of course as old as the hills and we ask seen it used constantly to us. We shouldn't use now. it's just. It's it's old rhetoric. That intially i fear will not go away anytime soon. Yeah it's it's you know stoking. Those fears of the foreign the unknown and trying to nazi germany. She knows how to do that. Yeah the whole you know putting it essentially into an us versus them perspective to be here scapegoats for your probe. Yes exactly trying to say that. Well you know these are the these people are the reason that you're life sucks so therefore you should be hating them just like i do. Which is horrible right. Inexcusable but She says well you know we're at war. We need more compound the more soups so that we can combat this all these soup terrorists and hope later mentions during this after after that mentions well. Hey we even had a bowl of the seven as it turns out and this is where he outs starlight as a traitor to the group but then reassures the crowd. Well hey apprehended. And she can't hurt anybody else because we've got her safely locked away because we know what. We're doing ninety. Whoa that's that's right. It kinda remind me. When george bush announced they'd killed bin laden is like we got him yes. That's where i went to well. Actually that was barack obama who said that they got bit lot during the obama administration. Because i thought it was. Who was george. Bush was saddam. I guess because there was there. Was that famous time. When i remember george bush the chemistry. We think we're been saddam then yet. George bush senior. Yes and no junior. I mean they tried to hunt down osama bin laden but didn't capture him and it was only in obama's administration that they got the seal team got some bin laden. then may have been may been that. 'cause i arrived in my being referred to saddam hussein. I'm not sure i mean. It's a tough one there. Saddam hussein was was a popular villain for george bush senior during the original iraq war. of course. yeah that's where they ousted from power and he was supposedly hiding it like some little bunker somewhere. Yeah this right. And now he's now he's happy having sex with satan or south pop tells me exactly and i choose to believe south park in that regard because those two crazy kids. Hopefully they can work it out something. They keep having their problems but the mend fences exactly but saddam wall can again remember. Well actually thank you. Thank you all right so so afterwards. All this home until storefront well. Hey i have something to show you and brings her to meet ryan. Oh hey guess what honey. I've got a kid and once again trying to show. You is kind of poster boy best book from because time we'd seen storm from looking of sadly the mother with a child saying you know my daughter used to look just like that and interestingly home lander actually a selfless for once in a very disturbing way because the letter it has to be disturbing of course things himself. Oh i'll do something then that she likes him win her over to my side. Kind of play the romantic car and faith. Lie to meet the ryan. Yes they do so strong are excuse me homeland or introduced a storm front fronta ryan and kind of acts like well. Hey you know maybe we could be a family because this is someone. I care very special. I'm very special. Somebody's special my girlfriend's yeah. Yeah so so. Essentially it's homeland. There's a little bit of an opening salvo hinting to becca that. Hey stroke frontier replacement. And i'm gonna take ryan from you. Yup so naturally understandably beck is terrified because now she's got to horrible superpower people to to worry about and worry about the safety of her son with and it's all down to storm front being a master manipulator because we know that storm front with homeland would not have a chance in hell if it were just him to win ryan over because intact when they arrive ryan kind of looks at home loans. Probably a kind of thing and just almost acknowledges him but barely interacts and it's that which that story essence to use a clean. Yeah that actually actually wins him over with a. Yeah exactly with a witchy. While was so Will anyway used the way the us the great quote. You often bring up about the indiana jones. Not i hate these guys series guys. Yes yeah. That's his so stroke front of homeland or take ryan to this like vodka play land somewhere and it's kind of like a hot themed restaurant you know like one of those popular restaurants that used to be you know here say fifteen years ago themed restaurants. We don't get during this episode here. They just fly off. Oh because he thought they sh- they start offering him a bunch of things like you know ends with with storm fronts in the flying off and okay can looking at the sky. Uh oh that's right. That's right so but they do say they say that. Talk talk about it. They talk show. Okay i'm kind of jumping ahead. I'm sorry so yes they just talk about this. You're absolutely right so they say yeah we can. We can show you movies. His home landers movies and you could ride his roller coaster. That kind of thing. It's during your whole here. It's all the commercial before we get to see it later. But here it's actually. The whole thing is taking. They take interest or other stolen front genius. The shows interest in ryan making plame a bill movies of classic hollywood films. I really wanted to see what see dances with. Wolves was like with the playmobil figures. I want to see silence lamps personally. Apparently because apparently bekker's quite the sooner file she enjoys high-quality movies. There you go but so yes so they just basically talk about this at this stage of the game. They end up Taking ryan though and showing him that the compound that they live in is completely fake in an attempt to distance ryan from becca because they the thing is they have that whole talk out. Saw basically what happens is there's that moment where becker takes homeland outside and and here's the thing storm fronts. Wears the pants in the homeland or with a relationship. With whom yes. He is so whipped. I mean seriously man. He's so whipped when it comes to stone front while she gets. He's a manipulator so she's going to be the one calling the shots and she had to call the shots. She doesn't even have to say a word. She gives him the look. Yeah that's the whole thing. Is that one point. Where becker canisters can we talk about this outside. Because they're a commenting on ryan's films. He's made i've done. You wanna see dances with wolves and suffering and she says the homeowner we have to talk about this and homeland is should i do. This should ice storm front. Gives him the look. He goes most dangerous thing. Ever you leave storm front with a ryan and that's where the the black magic happens. Yeah exactly this is where obviously bekker's petrified of that debt realizing probably well if storm fronts with with homeland error. She can't be a good person. She knows that something has to be wrong with her at this point but what is crazy is how quickly they turned ryan over to their side. Yeah and you know in in you know. Becca is just you know being told by homeland like well You know you're lying to your son and becca says well you know i just. I'm doing it for ryan's zone. Good and she's like begging homeland or not to take ryan away from her so she's very desperate so that so that win Home later in strong. From expose this to ryan that. Oh you're just living in this fake fake community that well what else about this is fake and ryan ends up calling Beca saying that. She's a fake mom essentially so essentially. They've convinced riot that everything is fake news and now and now he's being so suspect of everything. I you know what. I really felt so heartbroken for beca because as new course my hatred for storm fronts just increased and times because if it wasn't already high enough even higher like because i fear without that's right without this bloody woman homeland gotten anything done it takes. I mean she turns ryan around in two seconds. Flat she meets him once. She's able to turn him in because by the time. Bekker's finished making maeve lasagna. We find that may've is actually giving her base to a lasagna. By the way yeah. I was like yeah okay. Yeah well sonia and she brings it down and then june she gets confronted like you mentioning with ryan calling her a liar and and you think yourself the repercussions of this terrible because you have stolen land homeland to just call them storm going by the ship day shooting storm. Lander i start later. Yeah it has to be too nice homefront. Yeah yeah it. Storm later has to be storm land. You have homeland the to on your hands. Because he's like so hateful and it it mirrors. What senior Now next topic of the way homeland home is described as a child. It seems like this is happening with ryan as well which is kinda kinda creepy but there be early. But it's kinda creepy. Yes so you know. Becca is just beside herself. Went home later in storm front. Take right away you know. And that's where we're left with her looking up at the sky saying please come back. Please come back. It's like she's in what i haven't. She's ultimate ultimately completely powerless to do anything about it. I'm glad that the laser said that she did kind of keep us stance. She didn't get on home. These in scream no to the heavens no through the perfect time to do it even had the camera on a sweep up to woodside of the way they do when something happens in the the like. I'm glad that they didn't get sean out actually down and say and do know but it would have been funny. This all homeland hopeless are could be able to do that whole you know do that a little longer. If my lungs were crap in these days so yes lamenting the fact that i should be able to hold that out a lot longer but color me impressed. I can't do that arrest. you can't do that. You can hold you for a little bit but you know as that so yeah you should have a drink cinema rain. I'm gonna leave that there. All right got started. I started thinking about that So let's move on topic number four since you kind of set it up so nicely you butcher. Let's talk about salmon. Connie butchers parents so he finally get your meeting his parents in this episode. Let's also talk about joan of bomb. Who just kinda hang out is nice. Estate until butcher shows up To bring him in as a witness for the upcoming hearings but not taking and not taking no for an answer gotta chose. It's just him and his daughter. Sonia and then that's it. There's nobody else maps. Yeah so security. Not that great there either. Apparently you've kind of name the the gates were opened. That's that's on sonya and sonya though on him i guess bricks ever yeah so So while the beginning of the episode we can keep jumping back and forth. But there's a lot of interspersed characters this There's a lot of interwoven storylines going on here. So going back to the beginning of the episode where lamp lighter first meets up with victoria. Newman yes butcher gets a phone call and it turns out. It's from his mother telling him that his father has died and that she's in town apparently and wants to meet with him. So butcher obviously carrying more about his mother than his father as we quickly determine goes to see her only to find out woops butchers. Father is actually still alive. After all and listen sues so what did you make butcher being reunited with his parents. Well his mom is very very is a very sweet woman. I think she's kind of will most. How can i put it submissive almost towards this very overbearing canada husbands. If you will and these because he seems we. I mean we. We hear more about what he was like. Through the exchange that put shany's father have and it's it's a reinforces the fact that homeland upbringing and bushes upbringing. A roth a similar when it comes to that the fact of you know being i shall we say as told by vogue obama's when when it comes to this because he mentioned that homeland was such a sweet kid and five six years old. He was almost super sweet but he turned him into the superhero. We've talked about me being from size of the same coin and a lot of ways and homeland butcher and we find out even more from their upbringing. Because you find that bush's father was just as abusive and he ended. Humorous prides himself in luke. How well you turned out. Because of me being so stroppy in abusive with you you're the strong guy. You've you've the five. And we've learned that lenny actually killed himself. His younger is younger brother but we erased younger brother. And he's like lenny wasn't strong enough to take that's why he killed himself. You are the strong. It's almost the survival of the fittest if he puts a almost almost seems to put it to him. It's i beat both of you. Use survive lenny. Didn't we weeded out. The the the the weak the weak. And you're the you're the strong guy so look how how. Well you should be thankful that. I made you the way you are responsible for making you the man that you are today yes Thing so toughen because of me because if probably would have been you a lily like you like your brother. What's your of course blames his father for his brother's death. That's right. yeah so there's obviously a lot of resentment and you kinda feel bad. I think for butchers mother. Connie who you can kinda get you know just in this one episode. The feeling i get. Is that connie put up with so much from her husband sam and try to act to try to protect her sons from sam but felt that she can only do so much and was kind of either a wasn't like she. Maybe thought that it wasn't her place to prevent a lot of the abuse that went on in their home from From sam well wosa possibly even out of fear because we don't even know whether he right her as well so it's like the battered wife syndrome if you will. And then. She's very resigned to it really. Yeah and then we find out that the irony comma has struck in apparently bush's father is dying of cancer. Is that the the u. Yes something like that. He apparently only has two months to live as we find out toward the end of the episode and bush's mother says like you know i just was trying to to reunite you guys Like just arranged this for your sake. Because sam only has a couple of months and she was hoping that that butcher let it go the men beth mend fences and patched up the difference right. 'cause she doesn't want her son becoming like sam on more than understandable but i guess he'll miss the damage kind of donald ready but i don't see pretty much. I don't see billy turning into sam to be honest but of course he is that ruffin stuff because of the way he's been treated the whole thing of nature versus nurture which is always a big sort of an ongoing debates when it comes to why people are the way they are. I think here is very much. Question of lack of the cheering has made billion to the man is today same thing when it comes to homeland where we get the fact of the fact that he was mistreated and abused. Or just toughened up. We because we don't know at this point what homeland went to turn him from the the the sweet five six year old into this all monster into the monster today but we get the concept. Apparently he was. He was not always this way and he was mistreated to become that way. Almost a clockwork orange deal when it comes to how homeland the became kind of correction of the character. That's a good. That's a good comparison interesting. Yep i like what you did there you turn out the old stanley kubrick nice kind of have and what. What did you think of. All this child's these father figures and that well first and foremost i loved john. Noble and lesley nicol. I thought they were great butchers parents and you could definitely just you know just a few scenes here and there really get a feel for what it might have been like for butcher growing up. Yeah and all the issues that resulted from that in in yes To some extent. I think it's as uncomfortable as it is. Sam butcher is right. That butcher became the way he is because of sam and a lot of ways because of that abuse was it. A good thing probably not but You know the past is the past. Unfortunately there's nothing really do change it. Now and butcher is trying to can still has the option of deciding for himself who he wants to be. He doesn't have to be like his father. So it's up to him now to make that decision about the man. He wants to become which is often. The fate of abused. Children is do i to become an abuser. Or does that. Make me more sensitive to the plight of people and makes me tougher because and unfortunately a lot of cases. That cyclopes just repeats. Yes. in most most cases yes abuse children become abusers themselves. Not always. Because i have to. I have spoken to folks who were me abused as children. But they're the most gentle people in the world because of it because like i don't want to repeat what might what was done to me but yes you do. Get go in the doc. The doc side of things have zero killers. And what have you. They will come from very broken and abused homes. Yeah unfortunately the antiquated that cycle of abuses so hard to break in a lot of ways. Since we're you know right exactly so it's it's a very uncomfortable situation but We'll just have to see where butcher goes going forward. Unfortunately as we talked about he goes to see. Jonah vogel bomb and has a nice cup of tea with joanna and tries to get joanna come with him to provide evidence at the hearings jona. That's so down with this. So butcher decides well okay. I'm not in a really great place right now. so how. 'bout you either come with me or i murder you and your entire family. That's why i think he might actually leave him alive to kind. See him do it. because he's like. I'm going to go into the other room. Basha duties heddon then. I'm going to go and find your sons. And their wives kill them. Yes and kind of come back so it's almost like i'm going to spare you because the psychological torture will be unbearable for you. Because i'm not going to kill you. I'm gonna kill. Destroy everything that sarah is within your your intimate circle. Almost kind of like what kingpin did today. Every one of my favorite story lines where the kingpin destroys everything. That's near did. That does not destroy him board again. If at my favorite my favorite data will stored on his again for that reason that shows you how manipulative an amazing amazing bit kingpin is when deng polity exactly so Highly recommend storyline. By frank miller and david mazzitelli correct. So yeah highly recommended so butcher. Persuades shall we say vocal bomb to come with him. Vocal bomb testifies at the hearing. But just after being sworn in the chairman's head explodes and then vocals bombs head explodes and a bunch of other spectators in the during the hearing their heads explode just randomly start popping like daisies. You know it's like it's like a bag of microwave popcorn right exactly so humid habitats reminded me. I had a head wound that night and so it was like. Oh that's when. I was microwave popcorn about an hour ago. So you almost start expecting some john phillips sousa start breaking outgoing detonated it can you know like in caddyshack if you ever saw the movie caddyshack. So that's what i'm thinking of right during the explosions at the golf course. That's where my head goes so I believe it was sousa anyway but so everybody understandably freaks out Grace valerie gets senator humid out of their. Interestingly enough so everybody else like the members of the boys are watching. All this happen. Unfold live on tv and huey as the episode ends is like so what we do now and nobody has an answer for him. That's where we left off that you exactly. That's why the continued data dot. That's where the comes to cloak the ending the episode with a bang and another bang and another bank other bang. I think to go back. Ability is said to be Yeah i think so you play. I believe so. Yes because if there's also it's also in v for vendetta which is used a lot so i d from a deadly. I was thinking about that too. You're right yes. So i believe it is because i yeah because actually have the track vendetta of course that track features heavily into. Yeah there you go. Well thank you thinking. That wasn't going to grab your stop charles. Come on all right if nothing else have good at faking my way through all right so anything else. We haven't talked about this episode. I know we haven't talked about the deep in the church will yes. Because there is of course if wanted to mention it briefly the fact that errantly via the president of the collective is going to be sitting down with vault and he's giving stare dada but at and he's giving. He's giving a train in the deep hope that they might not We'll be talking to votes about them and getting them back into the seven. Have you and we find out. Also that's the known hawkeye guy in this in this eagle the archer aka eagle. The archer is actually a terrible person will rugg. He's been ostracized completely from the church. The collective they won't the nothing to do with him and that's where the the moments where we actually hilarious whereas depot where the the head of the corrected asks the guys. What do you think about the eagle. The archer and leaves always stand up guy. He helped me through everything. And he's like he's person we don't want you. Oh yes of course. I seen that kind. That he was a bit of a was a nasty piece of work and a train. Ain't buying it. Yeah he completely like the deep quickly backpedals on that statement and eight trains just watching all of this going seriously. He was your friend and now just because this guy says so. he's not. He's not drinking the connective fresca. No not at all points to nick on that one points but but yeah. I don't see what the big deal is you know. Hey maybe eagle you know it. Just he just happens to like a part sexual partners wearing dress up like dear yes. So he's you know he's a a furry aficionado so yes everybody has their own fetish. I suppose exactly exactly but apparently They don't the archer has now been officially ostracized from the church and now a dada expects everybody else to disodium as well that line. Yes i guess we kind of what we we go. There was pretty much fattened And eight trainees seems like he's you know he's happy he it's more of a means to an end of getting him back into seven rug than than toeing the party line if you will when it comes to church the collective trinka care less about the church all he cares about getting back in the seven and he's just playing along whereas i i think the actually buys into it more plus he got a beautiful wife and everything. Yeah this is cool. It's this yeah exactly so so we'll see what happens so anything else about only knew. I think we pretty much Seren needs to be said. It was a jam packed episode. I think we did our best with our tangents here and there. But i think i think pretty much we gotta done. As larry the cable guy would say oh interesting reference. Sure is an would approve. But we'll see we'll see you on that one. We'll have to wait for the judge to come in when you run a country. Show you have to reference larry. The cable guy. Oh that's a good point. That's good point. all right. i guess. I have to give you that one all right. So do you have any favorite quotes. I have a couple when. Come the exchange between huron lamp lighter where he says the lamplight. I'm the cook and lamb lies. Like actually you're worse you. The cuc fluffer was was fun. And i know you have the one quote. Trump's i'm gonna leave that once you but the one that i did wonder and mentioned was victoria as say new oppositions gonna have a field day with him disgruntled ex soup. Unfairly shoe is eft half the sacred heart cheerleading squads. But yet he'll be a good witness. It's not enough though and butchers like not enough if torture and berlin. A bunch of mentos on say-so ain't enough for you muppets. Then what the good for. A strongly worded tweet nicely. Read sir nicely. That was going see note. I have butcher with victoria. Newman where butcher says. Congress please would a bunch of corrupting effing sees. They are to be very careful with that and victoria. Replies come on. You're not the first person to call me a see mr butcher. I'm starting to think it's like a badge of honor. Yeah let's see huey lamp lighter saying look. This isn't healthy. You can't watch porn while the sun's out. I knew you were going to go with that. One was a good one and again huey the lamp lighter saying you want to be the cook or the guy who s the cox wife right. So what's your rating for this one. Sir i'm going to give this eight and a half out of ten Whoa what's what's a good one. Ooh i suppose Human combustions okay. Exploding heads there you go. Well i'm going to be a little more generous than you. I give one nine really liked this one. Nine hundred ten severed hands for fingerprint access. Nice and my backup in case you stole that one was going to be ov enjoys and i still have to taste. There's bad as they say. Yeah i don't eat a big fan of all anyway. So i've seen the candy bar so i could. I can't testify to the quality. My grandma was a big fan of sugar. Goldman's okay But you know. I i only have tasted almonds in benetton which is a sweeter thing that we have over the holidays but never tried almond joy. Yeah usually only candy bars. That are chocolate without almonds in them. So i teach their own but Now phantom zone fan mail we did get some fan mail from dave proctor who just squeaked in under the wire as we were recording this episode. Oh wow since like busby on exactly. So yeah i just got his email. About a half hour ago talking they beat the buzzer basically so Cutting a little. Close their dave. But i got to read it right. So he's writing about but you're baker candlestick maker says i both. I hope you both are doing well. Thank you dave. Hope you're doing you and your family are doing well. Welcome to the holiday season. I hope you're enjoying doing this. Podcast as much as i am enjoying listening to it sue. Thank you well we. I think we are having having both your enjoying it more than we are doing it. We're joined. we're doing it so yeah we just want you to enjoy it more than we are. Yes sure that's that's not selfish at all right. You want you to enjoy more than we do sure. Yep art imitates life as we see right the rights during people into a frenzy yup starlight in her mother got together and starlight lost her faith so many things in her life so many things that our life she has relied on on our failing her now. Then black noir attacked the coffee shop. This will further strain starlets ability to have a normal life. Mother calls and lies about his father dying in order to get them together. I guess everyone has family problems. Slightly star starlight as publicly declared a traitor butchers. Dad sherlock holmes his dad too. And i mentioned this earlier in the episode butcher in sherlock our brothers well sort of it. Dif- different fictional you-your tv universes but sure why not. let's just go with. That man is having relationship problems. Isn't it fun when your boss wants to fix your personal life. I wouldn't really call ashley her blocks. Because i can't see myth. Thinking of ashley has her boss now. Maybe bought but yeah representative. I guess you ain't j. edgar near edgar. I can understand. But yes standpoint yeah. Jaeger is the f. The fbi that terrible president. Yes the worst who jabber to be a president. Yes he was president. Okay good he was. He was just ahead of the federal bureau of investigation. Okay yes that yes. Yeah yeah so dave continues. It is possible that the deep is delusional about talking about fish talking to him. I know he has powers but there are people the real world hear voices in spite of people actually being able to speak to them. Perhaps he has powers in psychosis interesting theory. So what does that say about a man. Or name of the sub mariner or dave or the submariners. Yeah but i don't think they are can't control fish. can he. not to my knowledge. No yeah he's a little different from aqua van in that regard. Yeah he doesn't have to tell the aqua lengthy to acclimate mush. Yeah home later has no idea what a good father is well. That's the understatement of the century. Lamp lighter himself. Yeah there's a good word you don't hear too often immolates or as i like to call it. Lamp lighter flaw bay flavor. I just watched fantastic for the rising. Right exactly start versus black noir. Light versus darkness may have to the rescue tree. Nuts as a weapon. Nice stevens are rooted deep. He may never learned to live with his brother's death. Exploding heads no one expects splitting heads. Not even the spanish inquisition. Dave oh and may i also say a big two-day For the great job he next up everywhere recently as well. Yes he did. He did a great job of it. Yes we just yeah. We just had that out this past week sales. So dave i tell you from one podcast to another great job. Yep excellent job. We always have we having dave on once again and he's always welcome on next up everywhere open. Invitation dave signs off. Keep up the good work fellows. I hope everyone is ready for the hell. We call the christmas shopping season. Stay well well. There's an upbeat note on positive. Itea optimism yes get ready for hell. Yes like said Good dams will. It's beginning to look a lot like chris. Eric that's why that's why i shop online. I avoid the crowds and the fact that you celebrate hanukkah but but i still have to since my dad is non practicing christian. We have. We have to celebrate. Do you have to celebrate. I'm very lucky that i get christmas and hanukkah together gifts. Yes so yeah we do both. But since then i've always seen a kind of donald shopping online charts. Because i can't stand the crowds. I'm not a big fan of moves. Now i've right there with you. I totally understand that. Yes Especially this year right. This is the absolute worst here to go shopping lazy bones. I this from behind my keyboards doing omar shopping for my loved ones type. Type type type behind. Mikey will heck even though my iphone by by by by done. Okay all right. So thank you dave. We really appreciate your writing. In just like i said just under the wire so if you want to be like dave please write to us at phantom zone cast at gmail.com that's phantoms cast at the g mail dot com or you can reach us on twitter at fan zone cast on twitter facebook. Of course the fan zone podcast or instagram at phantom zone podcasts and nick working they hear more of your dulcet tone over the where when it comes to me chows if country music is your style musical enjoy do host the whisking cigarettes show where we play today's country traditional country. Everything else in between for more information on how big our websites skins skin cigarettes show. Come so podcast i do. Host happiness dot net superhero movie. 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Like the butcher's baked mug on the trade paperback or the batman funk. Oh i i see this training from my stamina to keep a straight face so fun fading miserably but you know we all right so next. Probably just like leave me alone. I'm trying to do this as good practice. So the win folks. Kinda heckling me if i can keep it together so as for me of course etre skaggs on twitter. Etro skaggs on a facebook. Of course shell skaggs in hilliard. Ohio end my blog. A geeky things coffee in hots where i talk all the stuff we talking about here on the fan. Podcast all kinds of comics tv comic book tv news news about the podcast for southgate media including will. Hey tiny talk times. Podcast that do with nick. And jesse and whenever we have titans or do patrol to talk about so kind of on hiatus right now but also next everywhere. The doctor who podcasts were jesse jackson in sort of special guests companions like the wonderful. Dj neck join us. Oh and dave proctor as well join us to talk a doctor who torchwood sarah jane adventures in big finish audios and more ghost with the twin peaks podcasts. That there was an sprouse where we talk about. All things twin peaks david lynch and will hopefully be talking more about this mysterious news tv series. That david lynch has been apparently working on that. We just got found out about this past week. That is has the working title of wisteria. So that's very enigmatic. Noticed mr lynch has been teasing. That's a lot of late. If nothing else is going to give us something more talk about on to it. That's cool and of course. Drunk cinema are ended is latest podcast. Our little side projects side gig where we kind of just you know enjoy dope averages and adult language and in watch suma great movies that we both love to bits and we first episode. We talked batman nineteen eighty nine and this past week we discussed ferris buehler's day off and according to nick. He enjoyed our discussion for not being in paris view. The fan as say is hardcore is the two of you. I enjoyed that. You guys are good job. Thank you i hope. He hope we made a little more interesting for you. We enjoyable and if nothing else gave you laugh about so everybody Please check out and stay tuned because coming up for december we're going to be of course talking the ultimate christmas movie die hard use. That's going to be a lot of fun as we're both big fans of that film as well as everyone should because it's awesome awesome right right so Next time on the fan of zone episode one ninety eight. We are going to be talking at long last what i know the boy season. Two finale in this one but your of deal withstand edgar to keep vox to help fought excuse me reclaim ryan at home laders cabin however butcher reneges on the deal attempts to stave them all from storm front wacky nece ensues. So we'll see what happens. Nick and i already kind of know what happens. Because hey we watched the head but We're going to wait seven days to talk about it because we've already talked long enough as it is so nick. Thank you so much. I had a great discussion. Obviously we really got into this one as well and it's been a lot of fun. Maybe it's just so reluctant to let go. There have been joined these discussions so much more chows. It's always a pleasure to you. Know i said it's any project that we get to do together as always such a such thing. And i definitely will have to put my thinking cap on to think of what can possibly be organized with myself. You and jesse for one nine thousand nine two hundred for sure because those are big episodes manager so happy to be a part of this. I just can't get enough of talking to you so much so that i'm gonna talk to you about six days. Yes indeed stay tuned folks for that. They're selling special brewing in a galaxy far far away. So there's i see what you did there very clever very may the force be with you. 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