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REShow: Todd McShay. Hour 1 (11-07-19)

The Rich Eisen Show

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REShow: Todd McShay. Hour 1 (11-07-19)

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Between the chargers and the raiders I WanNa just place that aside We'll discuss that on a three hour show on a place that aside aside For just a moment because there's a huge story on in sports and Everybody's talking about it right now and I'm Kinda glad that I feel like I'm equipped gift to discuss it Because an an and I'm going to have to lean on on my Middle School of Journalism At northwestern North Western University degree. You know as you know. I went to Michigan Right And then I went to North Western Middle School of Journalism Right. So I'm one degree shy. I've been Dr Television I just need to get that I could we could. We could call this the doctor rich Eisen show and that would make the way that would change the landscape of daytime television if I came on daytime TV. I might actually get nominated for Daytime Emmy Award if I can call call myself Dr Rich the doctor show whatever but place. Let's place that aside. The reason why I'm bringing up my two degrees. I'm so glad that I can lean on all all these years of of of experience on the job And also my education put it all together and I think I'm an an expert on this also because a back in the day I also Enjoyed taking a day off to. I'm so glad that I'm fully equipped to discuss. The two dreaded words in the sports world these days load management. Now Dude I just want you know lost amongst all all this concept of NBA players. Just it's a long season. It's a long slog of a season it's eighty two games and then we know that there's now into and a half months of playoffs right okay. True right sometimes. It's about two months whom onto playoff. About two months middle of middle I added the met met April April the midday Asher and we and and players who are successful particularly successful as you saw last year when and Lebron didn't make the playoffs we spent so much time saying how many extra miles are on the Lebron odometer. Because of the number of times that he's made did the play offs all the way through to the finals. That's an extra two years on his career so sure he's Kinda plus to the rest of his career of how much how thirty miles is put on. So the issue here is is the fact that we're seeing star players get rested when the rigors of a season is still weeks months away. The season started two weeks ago. Yeah and Choas now sat twice and more importantly quiet sat twice after I gave the trophy to the Los Angeles Clippers on October when I give it to the thirtieth. Yeah we've got a new tradition here or I give out the Larry F O'Brien trophy on on October thirtieth. It's all about it which is about away all about the Larry O.. B. Which is what coaches and franchises will tell you. When you're a clipper fan and you go to the downtown Hoop Stojko new and here comes Janas and the box and this could be a preview of what we're talking about in June and you want to win this game and you WanNa see your guys out there and everything's been made aide so huge and rightfully so because there's a wind Paul George's comment and then all of a sudden neither plan one of them because he still recovering from surgery and the other one because of load owed management and? Sorry you know I. I mean Clipper Fan. You want to come or kids or she wanna see Kawai and there he is is in a suit as opposed to suit it up and he could suit up but he doesn't because some form of schedule that's been put together. I would imagine Agean summertime. Even they sit around he's not GONNA play at Utah for women. I go there. And he's not going to play against the Milwaukee Bucks at home yet. It doesn't matter it doesn't matter the SPN showing this is pre planned on seeing how he feels too weak. Think these days he's not playing if I guess yeah and we're sticking to the plan in the same way that coach. Dale had his game plan in his is leather Satchel that he waved at the howling crowds. Okay for Hickory. High the clippers are waving their load management. Plan there leather Satchel at the rest of the sports world. Saying what gives. There's no fix to this either because the teams are going to basically say we're doing over the we're GonNa do you and the players are probably sitting there saying. Hey if I don't have to put all these miles on my On on the dominant new still willing to pay me A gazillion dollars to to play this sport where I get massages and smoothies and in buffets and all that sorta stuff vom all of them. I'll go with that unless they have some sort and I don't want to have a work ethic. He clearly does. He's a self made man. There's no fixed this. It's it stinks. It just absolutely stinks six the NBA has got a fan problem on their hands and in the same way that that the NFL has a preseason football problem on their hands while in the regular season starts. We don't talk talk about it. And then when co is going to go out there and start dominating we won't talk about it and when the playoffs it we won't talk about it but on nights where. ESPN hey tune in everybody clippers and and And box and who's not playing or hey clipper fan. You're you're spending all this money on these season tickets because you're excited co is in town and Co is not playing snakes. But I do want to give credit where it's due and I don't know where to give credit where it's due. Whoever came up with the term load management that is gene because really gotta come up with a term for? Let's sit around and just okay so we're not gonNA play our players tonight. Even though they're fully healthy and ready to go because we know over the span of an eighty two game season it might it might be beneficial to us to have him play a the seventy four games. Seventy two games. We need them. Hey Coach we've come up with we've looked at co is an entire career and we saw last year. He missed some time due to injury so we saw how he performed and how well he performed and we know based on his body type B his career. See all this sort of business. We've we've talked about the protracted and the slide rule and we figured out eight to ten games would be best and then doc would go Eights better no. Sorry it's ten. And then Steve Bomber comes in out of the you know like the man living in the van down by the river and says it's all about the Larry O. B. and then they all sit down and the all wonder her okay ten games. But we've got to come up with a term for it can't be rest right. Can't say rest now. Rest is boring. Rest makes in front of rest makes it a total affront to a fan rest rattled wrath. I don't rest. I got two jobs. I've got a I got here at the game came to pay my pay money rest. You can rest rest in July. So you can't say rest. Did Not play coaches decision. Coach's decision wait a minute coach. Because there's something going on on the same page you know. That's the dreaded words words in sports not on this on the same page and then on the same page Kim on that I mean. Is there something going on. campy deduct play coaches decision. Let's let's come up with something. What can sound like it's medical but it really just means he's not playing because we need him to rest? I got it load food management. I mean and then of course somebody has to. I'll you know I always speak to the truth. You're somebody had to sit there in the room. Say well wait a minute. Is Somebody going to think that they have problems. pooping do they have a problem. Pooping I'm no. I'm sorry I know I'm using the term of the you know I got three kids. Eleven saving it. Is there a party issue. Did Not play party issue because then you know low management. Oh Oh my God load management so and then in the same way I wanNA roll here in the same way that all networks that cover the NFL decides to use for all teams not yet in a playoff position but around it. The words in the hunt. Trust me we don't get a memo from the NFL NFL OR ESPN and NFL network and ABC NFC NBC and Fox and CBS and Baby Fox. We don't get a memo saying you gotta how to use the words in the hunt when you're showing the playoff picture but we do and we're now using it. We're now we're not using. Oh Yep it's load management like what's the lights the workload management. Is that what the load is. It's a work load right right or it's just hey it's a load. This season is a load man. It's a load. We gotTA manage. The load of the season is is it. Is it a is it. A load of just pressure gotta manage the pressure Christina. You're not helping me here. 'cause I'm trying to figure out what the what is the load because we're all assuming what the load is. And that's that's not what I think they're talking about. And and that had to be the discussion who is the George Washington of the term load management because they deserve an award. That's my take on load management because everybody's freaking out and teams aren't going to suddenly say you know what fans are are right now. No no this is this had to be somebody in a in a in the PR department or a medical department or something is it. Drake was that the original title of Hotline Blang. Yeah yeah load load management as just never ranked to get fixed until last year right. No no no no it has. It's been a team's doing this style. Sure pop hold on side have been pop. I am sure when I went to Madison Square Garden as a kid and say like like Ray Williams or Trent talker. Didn't play or Eichel Ray. Richardson didn't play it was they. Were arrested him. It was a but it's it's the twenty first century so we gotta come up with something and we're going to call it load management and we don't care if it sounds like somebody's gotTa pooping problem but we're calling it load management because it's a load of that needs to be managed and it sounds great but we all see through it. We all know it's interesting. 'cause you can't say we have to undertake load management because we want to be number one can't say it doesn't work but true. Hey we must undertake load management because don't want to be number two things can go number two to if we don't properly load manage see it just doesn't sound right but when you say did not play load management you like Okay Oh something must be up there still just playing basketball right. Oh my got. What's our poll question today? Kristie all right. We're just going to get into this. Just straight out the load management where. Yeah well okay. What do do you care? Teams Rest Stars for load management. Yes or no at Richmond. Yes or no. Who's GONNA say? No well right now knows ahead because is it in Bot tickets to see last night in Los Angeles. I have tickets to see Celtics Clippers on the twentieth. One of Tatum gets low for twentieth. Jason Tatum get slowed managed. That's not going to be happy. KOI is out. That doesn't play that game like well. Well here's the deal. Here's the deal. The reason why they load manage is it's back to back nights. They played out against Portland. TNT ESPN will be like what the hell gifts okay. So Turner gets him play tonight. That's the way they do it. They pick a day. We're not gonNA play the front of the back to backs in an October. HCT November. We don't have to do you think these guys oh it to the TV partners and the fans to play. I'm sure TV partners. Say Yes do you do do you do I. Yeah I'm a TV guy. Yeah WanNa see you like. What if this Shawn Watson in London well managed there will be no load management in the NFL pal because there's only sixteen games one game in the NFL is significant? Amount is big. That's how big it is. There's no load management. What a joke? DOC eight four four two four rich. This phone calls on this subject. Hey we're we're. We're we're jam packed and NFL players. Mark Ingram of the Ravens fresh off a beaten the Patriots. I will ask him Chris what you have said that. The I won't I won't I won't quote. You AIN'T GONNA HOMEY OUT NO I. I will lump you in they view it as a day. Dreaded Vais that you say that the ravens offense is not sustainable. Devon Bush will join us in the third hour. The steelers rookie. Linebacker is now on a foreign fourteen. steelers a big game against the rams the organization. His Dad played and won. Won a super bowl for in Saint. Louis he will also join us. Two days before Michigan and Michigan State play each other and he tore up the Michigan State. Fifty Yard Line. They played in In East Lansing and by the way mark. Ingram there's a big college football game. Lsu Alabama and that's on our mind with our next guest is a call in about six minutes todd mcshay of ESPN two and borrow on the same field with dough at Lsu and an Alabama du an an Alabama. I mean this is like a bowl of NFL prospect already pro show. mcshea will join us in about six minutes and Israel Oughta Sonya will stop abihu studio in our number two one of the new stars of. UFC will be here in person all right your poll question do you care about load management. Yes or no so load management one is yes to no eight four four two four rich number. That's our all in here on the rich Eisen. Go Wow what a great time of year. It is football baseball playoffs hockey and soon the NBA. If you're looking adds excitement to the game make betty aside dot com your your betting partner new members get one hundred percent bonus match using Promo Code R. E. One. 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Honda pilot pilots seating for up to eight available intelligent tracking management. You can haul all your pros this season. All your all pros. This season's hardy your local Honda dealer today. What he got over there? Chris care teams rest stars as for load management Yes right now. Forty five percent no leading the way fifty five percent how okay. Let's keep their boys. A rough doubled up last night on. ESPN and the warriors they might have to flex out of these warrior Games on national TV. Still Twenty nine twenty eight more game. Well Kharian clay or out. We we know that three months last night de Ngelo Russell and Draymond Green Were D. n. p. for various injuries themselves. Yeah and none of and none of them were load management. They know Jerry Jones up and in the rockets blew him out and then and then sits for load management against the bucks It was a close game but coil comeback tonight on TNT right. That's tough low right there. What do you do all right? So let's make up for it with the SPN. He's one of our favorites. He is Joining us right here on the outset of a big time college football game ESPN NFL draft analyst analysts in College Football Analyst Todd mcshay how have you been. Todd really good how you doing. I'm doing great. I know you're on the move and I appreciate Shit. You call him right here. Where are you headed to right now? Headed to Athens Georgia okay. That's the time you can have one point and and make a quick drag over the last good okay so I guess before we get to the meat of what I WANNA talk about your heading to Athens Georgia. What did you make of the college? Football Playoff I top four. And the rest of it. Todd what do you think they're rather. I thought it was pretty fair. I mean I probably would've put Lsu over Ohio Oh state but who cares. At this point we got enough time I think she's just had to go through a probably a tougher. Ron I mean tougher schedule on it. Ohio state has been dominant every game. But it's to my viewing has not played the same level of competition. But I I think they got the I I four in there and then kind of stacked properly after that. No no major issues okay. 'cause obviously you know these teams are going to play each other in short order. Ohio state and Penn.. State Saturday before Thanksgiving and then Lsu in Alabama coming up in a couple of days is this like the Super Bowl for prospecting in in the NFL Lsu Alabama. It's the first tape I'm GonNa Watch right but when the season's over and I sit down and say how am I going to get started started on evaluating up to four hundred prospects. That's a pretty good game to start on. I twenty four players right now that have draftable grades and there may be more. By the time we get there some underclassmen maybe a a flying under radar so twenty four and a single game is this is rare. You you know anytime you get over about twelve thirteen that range. You're talking about one of the better prospect games in in the country. It's GonNa be special well looking at what you put up on the ESPN family of Internet's The day before Halloween. You've got got no fewer than five players in your top fifteen playing in this game walked me through. WHO's the top prospects that you're seeing on Saturday in this game? I mean obviously the quarterbacks to La is is the most interesting I think in in the game because of the health issues and then going up against against this defense. So how's he going to perform how how healthy is he. And then on the perimeter. What are the match up's going to be and you you know Jerry? Judy who I think is one of the best five players in the country and should be the first wide receiver off the board. What how you GonNa try to defend him and knowing that it's not just judy but it's ten rugs who's GONNA run a four to nine or something like that at the combine when you're announcing it and and going down the list devante Smith another wide receiver. Who I've got a third round great on and he's the third best receiver for this team? So how'd you match up against these guys what do you do defensively if you're Lsu and for two specifically how how ready he'd go and can you hold up for four quarters. I mean she's obviously you know. Try to get them. And on the flip side you got you got Joe Borough. WHO's probably the most interesting story of the year in College football? I I can honestly say this. I've seen you know we've seen Wentz come out of kind of small school and not know much about him. I can never remember a player playing at a big time. NFL Pipeline School. One year to the next going from what I thought was maybe the seventh rounder draftable free agent bring them into camp to legitimately might be a first round pick. And that's what Joe Bureau has done so to me the storylines or justice as fun as as the you know anticipation of of the prospects in this game. Todd mcshay here on the rich Eisen show. Let's dig in on the quarterbacks is this so is this a possibility certainly when we were all at the combine next March late February early. March that we are talking about this game name and what it means to be the first overall drafted quarterback in this draft. Will this game have something to do with that. Do you think I think it could. Yeah I think it could I think about it for second but I it it absolutely. Could you never evaluate any player especially your quarterback off of one game but you only get a handful of games throw a quarterback's career typically where you can go. And it's close to apples to apples in terms of what you're gonNA see in the NFL and these are the type types of kings obviously a national championship semifinals sec championship up game but regular season game. This is as close as you can have to that comparison when you look to what he's going to be in the NFL. So I think absolutely and I I think you've gotta race between two and Joe and then Justin Herbert from Oregon playing really well Jacob Ethan. Who was was that Georgia with Jake From and femmes? Another guy Both of those guys I think will likely be in the in the The upcoming NFL draft craft in from is not as talented as easing but has had a better career and sent eastern packing back to to Washington to your play so and then Jordan level. The guys I talk talk to who people don't really know about coming out of Utah State but a lot of scouts in the league really liked disguise upside so right there. That six quarterbacks we're I'm not saying they're all GONNA be first rounders but in some people's minds in the league they have a first round great on them so that that makes it interesting. And then we. We haven't even gotten jalen hurts and Nate Stanley and those other quarterbacks but six quarterback having a chance to be in the first round is it's pretty pretty good and then you know to his durability. Is that going to be the issue because again the dolphins we you know we've all been saying and we I'm including myself. The dolphins have flat out tank for two of the the hat to had the dolphins from what I've heard and what I've been told that to. The had the dolphins at hello when he looked off the Georgia safety and beat Georgia in the National Championship. Game that that that that was that he had all the time. I'm all time throws right. So so what. What is currently going into this game looking over the steering wheel the two evaluation relation todd mcshay? He's one of the best deep. Passers I've ever evaluated to is one of the more accurate overall all passengers I've ever evaluated. He has exceptional anticipation and timing. He's really naturally instinctive. He just. He kind of feels things that most. Oh so young quarterbacks. Don't I think he can read things faster. I which is hard. I know that sounds counterintuitive. He he just. He sends his things in feels that I think in terms of pure progressions. Okay the SAFETIES rolling over my second progression. I think he can improve in that area. Aryan and a Lotta guys do From their second or third or fourth year of playing take time level staying healthy. We worry about that with everyone but I- sizes sizes no longer that big of a deal in the NFL. It really isn't I mean you you can say l.. This guy hasn't been healthy. But you know Tyler is coming on and you know. It's the the list of quarterbacks that are under six. Two that are having success is long enough that you just don't worry a lot of guys like to with that it's just more. We're about the durability and the hang in there and then can he perform when he's dinged up. That's the other part now. I think that's one area that I would have concerned with right now. Based off of watching him and the last two games I've had them live he's got injured so that's probably the number one thing but he from assing the thing standpoint he's special he's not like very other guys that I've really walks. He just has a feel for it and touch and knows. aww layer the ball in and knows the anticipation aspect of it and wear guys should be versus where they are. And it's It's fun to watch Sushi's really special player. He is and then the fact that he's coming off of that ankle surgery Playing in this game against LSU whole country watching two versus this is three in terms of the College Football playoff rankings. It just adds not just to the S. E. C. Drama but to the drama that we're all talking about the draft. Todd mcshay here on the rich guys in show then we look at your top prospects and I can't blame you in a way. I mean chase young. He's so stupidly. Good he's so amazingly good As I've I've mentioned before. Say here to you todd I don't need the play-by-play group analysts to identify him. PRE-SNAP NAPA with a with a circle or an Arrow I can I can see him. You know like these that good. He jumps off a screen like that do you. I think there are teams out there. That would take him over a quarterback even if they need one what do you think that good. He's not good where you would at least consider. Yeah he's that good. I mean he's you know when you why he's like he's like Jude. Evian you know like like myles Garrett. Those guys were just when you're watching the tape you. It's so obvious how good he is. And I love the Bosa brothers I did and I actually stood on the table and when people are so well the forty times out good and the shuttles. And all this I. I was all that on on Nick and Joey Bosa. But this guy's different you know he's got a lot of the mechanics that made that make the bose's special official but he's got a lead athleticism and quickness so to answer your question if it comes down to a two of versus chase young. The team is desperate for a quarterback. You know the answer their quarterback right. But he's so good that he actually makes you. I think he would split a rumor Moore at least have a few guys in the room saying you know what are you sure should we. Should we make this decision. And that's that says a lot because if it's anything other than a quarterback in speaks to the level of now. I mean we have so many months ago. which makes this but this is fun? This is fun. So let me go down this wormhole a little bit more with you. Todd mcshay so Let's say the jets get first overall pick because they sure can I mean as we're sitting here right now Cincinnati would have him. But let's go jets Joe Douglas. And you've got the first overall pick. You can add chase young right here right now and say I've got darnold. I got my guy or do you trade that first overall pick for autonomy picks. Because you know somebody is so desperate for either young because they have their quarterback or they're desperate for to like say the team in the AFC east and you could hold the dolphins up for maybe every damned draft pick that they have amassed in order to try and get to. What do you do if if you're Joe? Douglas based on what you're seeing from the jets right now first of all your jerk because you know I'm good friends with Johann Daniel. You all are you you all are and everybody loves this guy. I wouldn't school trade with them. I'm sorry but you know I mean Honestly I I it. It's such a cop out answer. I'm not doing it because it's Joe Joe knows I say what I say It would be a damn good offer. I mean it would have to be multiple multiple players to walk away from a guy like chase. 'CAUSE 'cause now if you have a quarterback and I and I I still believe in Sam. I think he's going to be a really good quarterback if you can continue to surround people around him but you have a quarterback and then potentially eventually one of the best pass rushers in the league in a couple of years. Now you've got something so two most important positions now you get you know. I don't know move down Tenth Tenth Overall Pick and other first round pick and a second or third down the line. Yeah I consider it. I within I'm going to pick up the phone if they WANNA talk about lady on Bill. I'm going to take up the phone if they wanna talk about Jamal Adams everything. GM and the NFL would doesn't mean and you're trying to make the deal and that is definitely me speaking for for Joe and God right but you gotta listen to everything but at the end of the day it would be a significant offer to pass on on a chase young. Because I think he's got a chance to really really stuck so then let's get off Joe Douglas in the jets. Sincere the Bengals in and and Ryan Finley does not Win a game and they go the Harto and sixteen in the earned that first overall pick and they could however get two or chase as young Later he didn't even stutter unique. They too. He's that Special New York. The jets the jets have SAM. So you went in this region. Is what the quarterback you know that better than anyone so i. I think it's much to chase young and it specialists years and your grade might be a touch higher on him than than two or any of the other quarterbacks. If you got a chance to get one of the top ten quarterbacks in the league that's what I think to a can be eventually. I think that's the wrote. You always have to go. You know man I gotTa Tell You Todd I appreciate you saying saying Sam still the guy in the in New York and I sure hope he is but I mean to to say he's regressing is an insult to the word regressing. I mean that that chest pass that he flipped Towards the dolphins defense this past week that the the staring at the ball just got snapped past him as it sat in the end zone and he didn't move is just your. It was stunning to me. That's not the kid that they drafted at all. That's that's not. The kid that bounced back from a pick. Six is his first professional throw. ooh So that's trouble. As far as I I think seeing that on the other hand evaluator to and you know what. It's real like that. He you can be the most talented quarterback in the world and you can have all the tools and you can be mentally tough but if you you are in a brutal situation think about anything any career. No anything you're doing if you're surrounded by negativity activity People constantly questioning. How how you're performing and supporting cast it's just not up to par and doesn't give you a chance to win every day you go to work? It's hard to overcome that. And so I you know it's going to it will take resolve and we're GONNA find out we're GONNA find out in the next year or so. If Sam's got that I I thought from day one and I still think he does. I really have always believed in this young man. 'cause I think he can handle it but what he's up against is a storm that very few people in the world are capable of fighting through. So we're we're GONNA find out. Todd always love our chats. Men have a great safe trip down Athens and we'll we'll chat with you next couple of weeks I I enjoyed it. UH-HUH TAKE CARE Bud. Alright take care you guys. Todd mcshay at mcshea thirteen on both twitter and instagram actually. He's t mcshea on instagram right here on the rich Eisen show is a great Matt. It's exactly the type of conversation on buddy to his brother so as we've been hearing it for two plus years about about we just we just frontloaded a lot of the conversation. We're GONNA have from February April. Certainly when we know where where the draft order has but Saturday's a big game in the SEC. The national you'll champion race and an Powell. I can't wait to share on that one. Onstar game all right when we come back. We'll we'll add to the phone lines on our load management and conversation that we put aside. You know what we did. We just load managed the load management conversation we gave we gave it a segment off but now managed managed that load see. It's just it's just go back to back segments. They can't go back to back. Ah That's next on the rich Eisen. Show Hey guys. 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Take on it. You know as we post a lot of our videos. Of Course Daryl Morey tweeted a response and because the question from his DP show page at DP show What is your solution to the? NBA's load management problem. Reply with your your fix with the Arrow Below Daryl. Morey wrote reject the premise of the question. Which means again I think the team point of view is we know what we're doing? I'm assuming that reject the premise of the question says Daryl Morey doesn't think it's a problem Bavin in Columbus Ohio. You're here on the rich Eisen show. What's up Evan to Mike? Thank you for taking like. Hey Mr Isan thank you for taking my call. Thanks for Calling Evan. My Name's rich. What's your name Evan about books? Hey thank you Listen I think that the load management problem with the NBA Projects the the great juxtaposition between the NFL and the NBA. There's there's no real team loyalty I think that the intelligence Collagen. ESPN lacked the clairvoyance to see the load management problem. And I'm a I'm a Cincinnati Bengals Fan and I'm excited to see Ryan Finley play. This week I if I were a Memphis Grizzlies Fan. I wouldn't be excited to see the second string point guard play and I think ah it really shows that the TV contracts have subsidize the fans out of the NBA. And I think it is. It shows the beauty of the NFL. Well Evan I appreciate the call thanks for thanks for calling in and but it's very Very point that he made right there I do I will defend the NBA. Though I will disagree with Evans Point that it's apples and oranges. It just really is you know and you could say that you know his point that the television contracts wchs have have what you subsidize the fans out of the NBA I think NBA is a tremendous fan sport. I love taking my kids to NBA NBA Games. Love it. They love it to the in game. Presentation is amazing but I would have been patently disappointed. You know you bring your kids to a the game and it's certainly if you bring him to a night game anybody who's got kids my age six eight and eleven. Sometimes we have. They'd have to do their homework before. And I mean the so much stuff that you have to move logistically and push back bedtime and all that and make special plans were GONNA go. We're going. We're spending the money. We're we're GONNA go where it's taken the time we're GONNA go and to sit down and say co is not playing and when they get there I mean you tell that to my kid and and and then again tell my eight year old eleven year old it's called load management and they would think why did he go to the potty. He should just play at. So it's it's it's very difficult for fans it's it's not fair it's not fair certainly only when you know they could play bought as Darryl Maurice pointing out reject the premise of the question. He understands the fan base as he understands the popularity of the sport and how important it is perhaps more than any human being alive indeed all right but he probably knows all of what goes on behind the scenes let him know how he can maximize harden and Westbrook. And all those guys I bet. PJ Tucker does not need lead load management other. I need that guy that guy is you know is one of my favorites Russell Westbrook or James Harden. Those guys don't take nights off don't so maybe maybe maybe that's his point. Two guys don't need load management. So maybe that's his point. Reject the premise of the question. We don't need it that might be as point In that interesting. But I do have to say it's apples and oranges men. The NBA has eighty two games. The NFL has sixteen. There's no load management. You gotTA play and players. You know even games. Where like last week? Dolphins are winless. Jets have one win. Those guys were pouring their hearts out because because they have jobs to make and they need to prove put it on film because that's the way they can get a job within the team only different endeavor totally different endeavor. You know but that said it's now fifty fifty and for fans at it is just not an easy thing to swallow. But Clipper fans are GONNA go to the game tonight pretty much. No one's going to seek Hawaii because and I could do back to back nights and I don't think that they decided you know what we need them against Portland Not Milwaukee. I think. They've just decided that. Were Front end of of doubled back to backs. We're not GonNa do it so you could. Maybe look at the schedule next time and see. That's the day and age where in the day and age. Now if you want to take your kids to a game can you call up the team and say when is your next plan for load management. So I don't I don't get host. I'm serious I should be upfront about it and tweeted out the days that they're well they won't do that and maybe they should. These are the load management days. We have planned for Kawhi. We'll let you know. So the clippers next back to back is the twenty six and twenty seven of of this November. Yeah at Dallas at Memphis okay. So it's it's a coin. Flip Dallas and Memphis one. You is not going to see him. And then again. December eighth and ninth. One is up to Wizards Pacers on on the road on the road. Well Sorry Indianapolis Flip a coin when he's not seeing COA and it's too bad because that's the only time that either one of those places will mark Ingram of the Baltimore Ravens when we come back with a big W against the Patriots. I will ask him although not call Brockman out by my name on the news the thank you they in the media Hanky Sarah say that. His offense isn't sustainable and Israel

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"Thank you for listening to this. Podcast one production now available on spotify apple podcasts. Podcast one dot com in anywhere else. You get your podcasts detailed this we do believe -able tightening so we waited. Do this stuff really to Robert. Ready to roll reading. V free to hop bachman exclusively available at Apple. Podcasts and PODCASTS. Want our number to the rich. Eisen show live on the air in Los Angeles where a celebration of life for Kobe and John. Bryant and seven others who perished in a helicopter accident about a month ago. We'll be going on right now. We're just watching outside a staples center. Where are filing in if advocate? I don't think he guihua even close. You can't the only if you're not already ticketed to get in if Figaro L. rates down there look I I'm I'm sure it's going to be a remarkable event today at staples you know. Obviously the Lakers being involved in this they very few organizations can put on a list Ceremony like the Lakers. You're talking like he got Yankees. Got Celtics yet. I'm look everybody's organization can put together a a high class affair but few can have the sort of gold standard attached to it. Like the Lakers. I I wish they'd held this in the La Coliseum buys to you know Suzy's Commissioner of the Coliseum. Just like come on come on. Let's just go inside. I mean they could have filled that football stadium fans here and I I will say this in a where we are He's coasters Christopher. Michael East coasters. I grew up making fun of La Sports Fans watching the tail lights and camera widens out while. Gibson's home run leaves Dodger Stadium. You know but then I came here and I became one of those people who arrives lake. Traffic's terrible and then I look at Zoos or look at. I'll never forget I remember my nephew. Who's now twenty five a Susan? I took him to a dodger. Yankee Sunday night game Eric. Gonyea closed at this. How long ago we're talking about here? You see much younger. And he wanted to stay to the end and we were looking at each other like we are just like. He is going to be twenty-five by the time we get out of here. So you know L. A. Sports fans can get that That thrown on them but I mean Ellie. Sports fans is passionate about sports is any other fan base of over. Come across and then when you talk about the Lakers Koby Bryant. Let's not forget when Lebron came out here for the first time the conversation was he'll never be a laker like Kobe. How many after wind to be to be a real Lelio Laker ride staples and This is a very emotional moment. And A to Lebron's credit. He has led. The charge of the current Lakers roster. What he did how he talked and how he put his heart out there in the Lakers. First home game after I gained period after the passing of. Kobe was truly remarkable. So it's a solemn day here in Los Angeles And we will be Checking in on that. And letting you know what's going on there. Meanwhile speaking of my wife she will be in your chair tomorrow. Christopher Suzy's going to be here tomorrow I'll make sure it's clean. Oh no please do the reason. Why is we have a scheduled tomorrow? We've been talking Jim. We've been talking about it since you came on and is in overtime where we record a segment just for our viewers every day. Were you popped out? A sonogram. Did an informed all of us here that you were going to be a dad. Sarah Tiana your life partner is absolutely ready to go. She's she's ready to go very done it. Five minutes ago she could days ago You put out a tweet. Today is my last day not as someone's parent because you're GonNa do this tomorrow morning crazy. How life goes spent thirty nine plus years living for myself time to spend the rest of my life living for another twenty four hours to go and then you added at Saratoga. Ana It's funny Christmas getting all retain emotional this morning. It really hit me. This is yeah this is it and all your all of us here. Couldn't be more excited more proud and more fired up. My Mom WanNa meet at pass along to you. How excited she is always asking. She wanted to say that to you. She said that's what she said to me yesterday. Tell Chris I saw her yesterday. You know just put it all out there. We're talking about life and celebration of life and obviously the passing away. We interred my dad yesterday. I was a rough day but my mom at one point. Turn resilient till Chris. I'm very excited for him. And we all are goes. Really Fast Bro. Now now that said. Do you commit to living life for another individual. Are you really because I mean you have I am I I have is this is this is? This is a man who has a fantasy football league where there's no time on when you can draft somebody literally you will spend ninety hours watching a fellow member of your fantasy team. Hem and hall overtaking. Brian heartline in the ninth round has actually happened eventually to start making plans. We're going to Kansas City this year for the draft. Maybe not over you. Hopefully I'll be there. Maybe somebody's face time and will be there. No I look. It is quite an adjustment. But you know I think once we we found out and everything was Was good to go. And he was healthy and everything. My mind definitely started. Flag started feeling different. I started thinking about things differently watching and listening differently. I'M GONNA I'M WE'RE REALLY. We're really excited and we're really ready to go. I cry commercials now where I'm like. What? What is this salty discharge? You know about that. And then nells spin curveballs at you like last night. I don't know what it is when Suzy's out of the House and I'm looking after my six year old daughter as you know she once wrote me a note. I won't Mommy Right now. Asking me how to spell it piecemeal with Mount me knowing soliciting me handing me a notice to how insignificant I was last night my six year old. Get so upset with me while I'm babysitting her because I wouldn't let her do x y. And Z I go to my boys. Room just walked out of the room. It's one of those things you need to do. If there's an issue take a moment. Walkaway LEAVE. Vacate the premises. And you make your point by vacating. The room did note and is just breathe through it. Okay so I go into the other room. I hear a her door shut after one hundred slap on the floor the slap on the floor is a book she put on the floor. The door was just shutting it so I saw book on the floor. I didn't look at it when I opened the door up to say what's going on in here because you know you revisit. The situation after a two minutes and she goes. Did you see the book? I put out there my six year old she called. I'm like okay. Let me look at it. It's a book saying where's My mom was the name of the book. And it's one of those moments as a as a parent where you're like that is next level skulduggery and she got it and that was one of those moments where yeah where is she. Are you close because man do? I need your help her. All you WANNA WANNA fall down. I will say this to you and everybody out there although guys out there no this You are essentially useless over the next several weeks months in terms of you know you will not feed this child. You will have a moment to share eater via bottle or something feeder him by via bottle or whatever but in terms of his emotional support and all that stuff right. Yeah seriously you're about to. It's right now. It's probably you and maverick would be neck neck in your household you and your dog neck and neck very uselessness. No no no no just in terms of Sarah's focus and Moshe right you're just about your about to get kicked down and out I had Donna. We were talking last week. He he put it in TV terms. He's like you're about to be a PA again where you're literally just getting launched cleaning this cleaning that taking care of all the little things and it'll take a while it'll take a while for you to get back into the swing of things certainly right here on the rich. Eisen show where you're going to have to muster up a little bit to get outraged over Jeff Joe Borough having nine chance you'll be like okay so on a guy's got nine chance. I got somebody at home. Who's Who's waking me up but tuna morning and then five in the morning perspective Sur perspire. Now it's common but I'll still muster up the outrage boroughs got nine in China. Now this is going to do about this little flag that through sixty touchdowns WANNA heisman trophy and the greatest quarterbacking sees we ever seen in college football. How did he do that? With an ITTY bitty nine inch. And that's what he measured in at and then here's tomorrow me. Set the stage for you here. Here's tomorrow he steps up to a podium podium number three for those scoring and all tomorrow's podium nine. Am Eastern Time Right. By the time we come on the air noon eastern time. This will already have been chewed up. Spit out split screen and Hash tagged and lower third topic bars all over the place across everywhere by the time we come on the air tomorrow at noon eastern on. What's our final show on audience network that's live? We've got three fun best of shows because I'm taken off her combine after the show tomorrow Joe Borrow is going to be. I mean somebody is going to put it point blank to one Joseph Borough. Hey you don't play for the Bengals or not. Are you happy if the bengals choosing number one overall are you committed if the bengals drafting and draft You to going to the bengals point blank period story and he's smart enough to have an answer ready where he should. People seem to be smart enough. He had that answer ready force when I asked him at the combine. If he was gonNA throw. Hopefully we get into the booth on Thursday night. I'll put that question to point bike myself. And by the time he reaches the field on Thursday that will have been asked and answered. How do you think that question's GonNa go in the meeting room for the Cincinnati? Bengals how do you think that's GonNa work? Because they're going to definitely say we. WanNa talk to Joe Borough. Do you WanNa play for you. Want what what what gives you? What's going on what he or or let's be honest here. What do you need from Osteo right? Now what can we do to prove to you? That we don't have to prove. Now what can we do to alleviate any of your concerns about our readiness and preparedness and desire to Super Bowl or what tells carson what is and what's Hussein Hussein. Why would who's treat us like a terrible towel walking off the field stomping all over us? That's coming tomorrow and the next two days by reciting. Aj Green now the start guess. Let's go to Jeff in Lexington Kentucky here on the rich Eisen show. What's up? Jeff WanNa call real quick when she Best this week on the forty thanks to the combined and you might remember last fall. I called you and I mentioned in my semi spalding in your footsteps. Speaking of of running footsteps down the Middle Schools Journalism just returned from a trip to Argentina. I don't know if you've ever traveled abroad like that when you were in school there but no high tonight. Damn okay. They're upgrading. Well well well also thing to set the game time is set now for UK Michigan University of Michigan Basketball in the O. Arena in London next Number that's right. One o'clock are GONNA go head to head with the NFL on Sunday December. Six that'll be fun. That'll be fun. And yes an eleventh hour. Admission for Baby Brockman. This goes back to the one thousand nine hundred Georgia bulldogs. National Champions led by Herschel Walker. Richard member they had a quarterback by the name of Buck Blue. Would that be a great alliteration? That just rolls off to be Brockman. Can you go triple a buck? Balu Brockman that's tough. Triple B is tough but I do like it. Buck balloon now. The first the first name is going to be see is going to be so. Yeah we're We're going with my initials my C. A. B. Chipper. Okay we're going. See A B for our site so chipper Aaron Brockman ential nudity all braves algae algae shipper. Algae Brockman. Everybody. Thanks for the call. Jeff bullshitted chipper algae Brockman. We'll see or if you WANNA flip it. Algae or crumple algae Brockman. Is there you go. That'd be paying the utmost respect out. You draw long. I mean actually no. It's to your wife's love of the Falcons is really what it is. That's true crumpled. Algae Brockman is guy roles. There you go. There's be right there bro Crump. Here's your C. A. B. Right there by the way. Michigan beat purdue wet purdue. Watch that during my son's Ninth Birthday Party on Saturday. Nice at some Trampoline Factory. Pretty much seen those. Who Did you get out there? Did I get out there? Are you kidding me? I don't know I did not get out okay. It was put on a baseball. I did not by the way I've been told by another individual. I Sean how Delta. If this was months ago he said the when I say this with no hint of irony when I come back. I'm GonNa talk to todd mcshay about another man's nine inch hands. There's no shame in it. There's no shame. What in the world is it. Evaluator do with the fact that this man is nine and ten tach to an arm. Golden arm go arm and a heart of a champion guys self made. I'm sorry that's an Itty bitty football hand. What are we going to do with this? And does he want to play for the bengals not todd mcshay of ESPN one of the top talent evaluators in all the land. That's next on the rich Eisen show. If you're looking to add some excitement make the SL dot com your betting partner. 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Oh One and get these limited time one hundred percent bonus offer to make some extra cash. It's only a game until you bet it bed. Welcome back to the rich. Eisen show and that is not just to our listeners viewers but to a man is one of the tops in the business at evaluating national football league talent also seeing a lot of these guys in person while part of ESPN's college football coverage he is. Todd mcshay back here on the rich Eisen show from the worldwide leader in sports. How are you sir? Great Rich how are you going to tell you? I'm I'm I'm not. I'm not pleased todd. I'm not pleased just saw schefter. What'S UP I mean I just saw schefter say chase young's not gonNA participate in Onfield drills that we get in there to the point where where the top defensive prospect is going to treat the combines on field drills like Like A quarterback is that we've got now what's going on? I'm sure we're inching towards you know and I'm sure there are a lot of crooked scouts that are that are angry and it's frustrating but but it is what it is and then you gotta You. GotTa Adjust. I mean usually the defensive guys all show up and participate right. I mean usually quarterbacks and a receiver. Who's got a little strain in his calf here and there but usually the rest of the guys come coming to work out and compete You know he didn't play that well down the stretch. His final three games weren't that great and I and I finished up his tape and I love him physically and I you know over the last five years of of edge rushers and his grade is right up there with with all the other cop guys. I mean I've got a ninety five grade on on chase young. I had a ninety five on Bosa. Nick Bosa Joey Bosa myles Garrett and then a ninety four on on a Bradley Chubb Coming Out. Nc State show those are the top five edge rushers in my opinion the last five years. He certainly is up there but the post is worked out. Even though you know Nick Ranna what was a four. He ran in the four seven. I WANNA say the Joey ran a four eight four eight two and they were both really disappointed by myles. Garrett had had a great workout but you know it doesn't matter. Just show up and compete. I guess is my whole point. And so yeah. There's some frustration there It doesn't look like Joe Borough GonNa throw from what I understand. But we'll we'll see what happens there and obviously to talking about. Loa can't do anything because of the HIP injury and he'll still be one of the you know. One of the biggest focuses of of the entire combine coverage. I'm sure and what he's doing and where he's eating and he's meeting how people responding to him and and the leadership to showing on the field and this that and the other thing but You know it's frustrating to see a guy like chase who still have some things to prove. Decided not to not to work out. Well I guess the the point is is that he's either going to be number one overall because Joe Borrows GonNa Force his way out of Cincinnati incensio in Cincinnati tack with it. We'll go with the surefire kid from the Ohio state or is going to be number two because Joe Boroughs going either. Cincinnati or wherever trades up to Cincinnati To go get him so I guess he's just like I'm number one and number two. What I gotTa do this. I'll I'll work out at Columbus and whatnot even though that gives off the impression that he doesn't WanNA compete and and I guess that's that's his prerogative so let's take this one at a time starting with borrow He's got nine inch Hans. Todd what we make of this funny. It's not funny and I actually. I put some stock into the hand spat. Okay but what is funny to me is. Is that a jake from had. Eight and seven eighths of an inch hand span measuring from the end of your Pinky to the end of your thoughts. And then you've got nine inches for Joe Borough. And for some reason we're GONNA look at those numbers and scouts are. GonNa let those numbers and say. Oh eight and seventy eight one when you get an eight category you. I've legitimately going back twenty seventeen year study of combine results that I have seventeen year study. There's not a single quarterback who had eight anywhere in the eight inch You know eight inch range for hand span that had sustained success in the NFL but nine inch you know there. There are some guys right right at nine inches. So it's it's one of those things that's it's kind of the Mendoza Line. It's a red flag number. Whatever you WANNA say Joe Nine inches. There there are some guys that have had success. It is a little bit of concern in terms of ball control. But you watch you watch him play and and it was never really an issue you know. I mean he there. There isn't anything that jumps out on tape in terms of throwing the rain or protecting the football. That really concerns you or jump out when you when you evaluate him so you have to kind of have to look at both sides you have to evaluate the tate versus the number but that eight and seven eighths inches is different from nine inches. Whether you like it or not and it's a ridiculous thing to say 'cause it's one eighth of an inch well nine is also the number of bells that he will be at which he will be sitting down on Tuesday in the morning at a podium and meeting with the medium for the first time nine. Am and on Tuesday. And I imagine it's just going to be put to him point blank. Is there an issue between you and the bengals from any any form or format of what gives from the media to Joe Borough are you what are you what are you hearing Amongst your evaluators. Scouts and your contacts. Is there any smoke Is there a fire? What do we got here on the borough and Bengals Front tot? I'm I'm actually really close with with Jordan Paula and he's he's training with Jordan Palmer Yup and obviously Carson has said Carson Palmer has said what he said I I to be completely honest with you. I haven't asked Jordan yet. 'cause I I. I hate asking blunt questions like that to put people on the spot. But I'm going to have to ask him when I when I see him on Tuesday tomorrow. And just see what he says. Because it's it's becoming such a situation and everyone on the League. It's kind of talking about it and it's it's all rumors you know in in any question that he's answered if you really go look at the context. It's because he's been asked that and he comes out. He's a different cat. If you meet with him I've met with him a couple times thirty minutes at a time. And he's a little bit of a different cat and that he doesn't care what you think. And I remember like Brian Greasy and I have done games for the last few years and we. We walk out of meetings especially with quarterbacks and Brian is intelligent as anyone. I've ever been around in terms of evaluating quarterbacks and just knowing that the position and every time we walk out we usually say nine out of ten times usually say that guy was impressive and vice versa or not so sure with with Joe we walk out of the room and I was. What did you think he's like? I don't know what to think I don't either. You know and then you get to know him a little bit more. And it's just that he. He's so confident in himself and he kind of attacks. The quarterback position like a linebacker because his brother play linebacker. His Dad's twenty plus year. Coach is other brother played safety in both of Nebraska. He's just kind of a tough guy playing the quarterback position and so everything about his personality tells me that he's not the type of guy that's GonNa say no or try to pull any ELI. Manning enforcer trade and those sorts of things but the fact that he spent all this time with with Jordan Palmer in and around Carson Palmer a little bit and and knowing that he wants to compete and win you know it makes me concern that there could be something there now. I know and then the connection a Tj who Schmidt Zodda is working with him as you know a wide receivers. He has given more voice to the you know. Be careful like going to the bengals front. I mean I'm paraphrasing and in and then just his comment where he said that he had leverage at one point and again I might be taken completely out of context but he did drop that Ellwood and the question is is like look. You don't have leverage in terms of how long your contract is or what your pay your slotted. So what is the leverage and what leverage do you have unless what? Let's put it this way. What leverage is there to exact unless you intend not to go right? So that's I mean that's and and trying to force maybe trying to force Cincinnati to when free agency starts very soon Force them or at least put pressure on them to go out and get some players and and try to get some wide receivers and try to get a better supporting cast around him. Although they've got talent if everyone's back healthy for the the bengals they've got talent and the offensive side of the ball. So you know I. The leverage thing was the only one that that was interesting because it is a trigger word. And what is the leverage leverage is? I'M GONNA try to force a trade but the problem is if you're Cincinnati. Who are you going to trade if you move to five and you know? There's there's a proposed deal you move to five with the dolphins and get a bunch of picks you could all of a sudden you know wake up and burrows gone to is gone and now you better love Justin. Herbert and I don't see Justin Herbert from Oregon as as a top ten. Pick in my opinion you don't you probably will go in the top ten. I just don't see that. I don't see that on tape inconsistency. I think there's potential there. I think he can develop. I think Jordan from Utah has a lot of potential as well but he's even further away from from being ready to play in the NFL. My point is there are two quarterbacks in the strap and if you don't get one of those two and Joe Burrow into a ton of Iowa then you're on the outside looking in and and I I just don't have any strong conviction in any of the other quarterbacks Pasco's to molly and Tom mcshea here on the richeisenshow let's gain this out a little bit more because the Bengals do have an aunt bengals fans may not want to hear it. It's not like the coverage totally bear. I mean Andy Dalton is there right I mean so you could. You could technically stay the course there. There is Trevor Lawrence next year. For whatever sweepstakes you might want to throw your hat in that ring And also the word is that borough wants to go to Carolina and now the reason why that word might be existing is the Joe. Brady's been hired to be the quarter. There and Matt rule is got seven years. And if you'RE GONNA go to a spot where you know. The owner has made a statement and he's made a statement with his aggressiveness. Getting rule and getting Joe Brady and giving them the contracts and you're concerned about being in a spot where there's a riptide of coaches and offensive coordinators in your whole career is going to go down the toilet because of all that then. That's where he wants to go. How really think that would be possibly talk I mean you can't go to Carol. How do you get a trade with Carolina? Going from seven all the way up seven it would be seven seven up to up to one. I mean that. That's you're talking about second and third this year first next year. Probably I mean the amount that it would cost Carolina to go up and go get that guy in job early and I know I'm sure they love him. how do you not love 'em based off of one of the? Best College Football Seasons. We've ever seen from a quarterback in the history of the game and then knowing that the offensive coordinator who took him from a game manager to that this season that we just saw a national championship and and Heisman. Trophy is there and Carolina. Like I get that. But how do you move up and what? What's the cost to go to go do that? I think you'd have to wind up doing like maybe a trade. I don't know three four somewhere in that range. And then like in the bengals draft him and then trade after the fact something like that where where at least you're not giving up all of that compensation and then you make a deal but it's still gonNA cost you a tone in order to go get one guy. And as much as I love Joe Borough I would rather move back if you're telling me that job doesn't WanNa play for me and that this could be an issue. Well if that's the case I'm not saying it's the case but if that's the case I would rather move back and get a bunch of picks and then next year being the the running for Trevor Lawrence who I think is better than both of these guys than than You know then wind up just stuck there and drafting a quarterback who doesn't want to be in Cincinnati who has nine inch is going to have to play in Pittsburgh and Cleveland right for the vast majority of season. Todd mcshay here on the rich Eisen show. What are you hearing about tool? He's got the tensions we know that but What are you hearing about is? What are you hearing? I N. he's GonNa blow away the meetings he's GonNa come out of this combine with everybody falling head over heels in love with them. The dolphins might fall back in love with them. Based on what? You're whatever reporting you might hear believing what. What are you in about two going in talk? It's all medical. I mean he's a stud. I if if you were and I think i. I don't know if I said this to you before. I know I've said it before but if you were to give me a crystal ball and promised new ten years upheld I would take two over Joe Borough even though I love jober and I don't think there's a big difference but I think to a is that I think he's Special. I think he's special from a leadership standpoint. The poisoning brings. He's Today's NFL. Quarterback JOE is too. I mean they're both so great in the pocket. They have such a great natural. Feel their instincts. How quick they are with their progression reads but to a his deep accuracy is exceptional. It's unique and his touch in timing and his ability to just kind of maneuver within the pocket and go from re to to read three where most guys start to panic in their eyes drop and they take off and run. He's just like I'm I'm cool. I'm good and he. He works through it and that he he almost the ball's coming out almost before you can imagine him seeing what he's saying and so that's that's what makes him special to me so. I know the same things that everyone else. He's a phenomenal football player. He would he would arguably be the first overall pick if he was healthy and didn't have the hip injury. And it's all GonNa come down to medical we've seen progression and it's good progress but there's so much more to learn and the interesting part for me. Rich is the game of chicken. That's GonNa go on between the dolphins and the medical report because the dolphins are the team that has that are able to go five picks in the first two rounds three and the first first round there the team that has the most ammunition to move up and go get him. But how long do you wait before you go move up or as a team like Carolina or You know a anyone but the behind them. That needs a quarterback. Are they going to just pull the trigger? A wind up at number two number three. And now you're you're sitting there and saying you know we. We MISSED OUT WHAT WE DO WITH. All these picks we get a bunch of good players. But we're not going to get our quarterback. I'll tell you what todd that you you hit that spot on Todd mcshay here from from ESPN. Because I asked that of Daniel Jeremiah Last week and you know I'm about to spend an absurd amount of time with him a booth at the combine. I'm like I think you icee basically like if I'm if I'm the dolphins you gotta go get him now because you know everybody's GonNa Fall in love with him and and the price is going to go up and to me. The report from Amado. Garo that the dolphins kind of DIG Justin. Herbert may be as much if not more than two a sounds to me that they're they're they're trying to drive the price down that Detroit's going to either ask already has asked and his answers like you can't make that trade until you're a thousand percent sure on the medical. You can't do that you know you can't do that. Men have it all sudden. Come Up. Draft Day. Oh Yeah. There's been a setback with his head. You just can't do. That is what point was right. And so you you've saved up for for the past couple of years to get here to have these five six. You know that everyone's whatever for two accounting for to a fine but the bottom line is they put themselves in a position to go get a guy this year. And so now you're gonNA give up those picks and move up and all of a sudden your medical staff comes back and says you know we're not comfortable or he's not progressing or we think it's going to be degenerative. He's not going to be the same player. I mean there's so many things that can come up in the next couple of months right and you're talking about you know not only giving away extra picks but then making a thirty million dollar investment in player of guaranteed money. Forget all the other stuff guaranteed money. Thirty million dollars and expecting him to be the face of your friends hit franchise and beat the guy. The first quarterback you've really had in decades and all of a sudden you're sitting there and your medical saffir saying no so now you gotta if you make a deal to go to three and burrows gone at one let's say hypothetically and chase young goes at two now what do we do. We're we'RE GONNA move up and give away those picks to take Herbert no absolutely not. So we're GONNA take Derrick Brown a really good defensive tackle but we gave away these picks and we could have maybe gotten gotten Derrick Brown at five or Jeff. A coup the cornerback. Back from Ohio state at five or Isaiah. Simmons is the safety or the linebacker from From Clemson at five so it just doesn't make sense but then like if you're sitting there and musical chairs and you're all of a sudden you're without a seat and now Justin Herbert's the answer I i. I liked Justin Herbert. I think he has a lot to work with. I think he's working on becoming more of a leader. But he's a self proclaimed introvert he's inconsistent. He's never had to carry a football team. I just Herbert is such a drop off from these other quarterbacks that I don't know it's I. It is a really tough position that Tom Garfinkel the CEO and President Chris Career GM Flora's the head coach. It's a really brutal situation that they're in trying to make this decision based off of information that you just don't have yet last thing for you todd. Before I let you go on the answer to a question going into the combine that you're eager to have answered because you think the combine can answer. It would be what what's the one thing going on. Three hundred thirty seven players invited to the calm and the one that I am most interested in most excited to watch is henry rugs the wide receiver from Alabama can. He can he break the number. I mean we're GONNA be watching you and you're going to be covering it and and you know the only thing you guys are going to be talking about when the white papers running is when the ours come up and rugs is there. Is he going to break the number? 'cause you know reportedly he can run a four two four two one somewhere in that range. So we'll we'll see if it happens. Does that change as evaluation? No He's fast. He's not a great route runner. He's still developing to do. I wouldn't take him the top ten jerry. Judy his teammate. Alabama CD LAMB from Oklahoma. They're better wide receivers but he is going to be one of the most intrigued employers to walks in the entire draft and Jalen Raygor keep an eye on him. Nobody knows them. Tcu Wide Receiver. He's GONNA run a fast number as well and I think it's GonNa wind up helping him Thursday night and then And then We'll we'll I'll see you in Indianapolis Todd. I look forward to seeing your brother. Can't wait. Call traveled right back at Ya. That's todd McKee at mcshea. Thirteen right here in the rich Eisen Shelf all right. The Kobe memorials underway Looks like Jimmy? Kimmel is your master of ceremony's beyond just saying what was co his favorite song and tears already. Well when we come back. I'll tell you what I think. The story of the combine is going to be by Friday. And it's the story of the entire combine. I think we're GONNA have a by Friday. I'm going all in on it. That's next on the rich Eisen. Show do you own or rent your home. Sure you do and I bet it can be hard work you know what's easy bundling policies with GEICO GEICO makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. 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I cannot imagine what this woman must be going through right now. She's talking to jam packed staple center. She just exhaled visibly as the crowd sat down and she's now addressing. I still can't believe this happened. I still cannot believe no me neither. I mean it's it's been a month now. I know I would and it was stunning to happen. And we were all in an absolute days. I cannot imagine what this woman who speaking right now staples is going through a child as well a child bearing a child. I cannot imagine so you know all of our wishes her to her. She gives this speech or eulogy. I guess this moment that should be very difficult for her to get through in staples right now. My Gosh. So here's the story in terms of if I may just to change the subject for the moment the combine. We just heard what todd mcshay just mentioned. I'll tell you this I believe and the bengals will talk it up to certainly if they hear something from borrow at the podium tomorrow or in a face to face meeting with Joe put him on Greaseboard. I'm sure we'll be terrific. And his meetings if they hear even an ounce of equivocation from him publicly or privately. They're probably hearing a lot of stuff that I'm hearing which is up and down that the kid is as you heard from Mcshea at different cat good enough. They must be here into that. He that that he wants. Peace The bengals if they confirm any way shape or form equivocation from him at the podium tomorrow or in the meetings this is going to be talked up and he's GonNa blow away the meetings. I'm telling you the story on Friday as we will be there with running backs and offensive. Lineman the rest of the offensive group after titans wide receivers and quarterbacks have added on Thursday night story that combines going to be how far too has gone up and that he's in the running for number one overall again. Oh really I feel it in my bones. Wha medicals great. He just boy. We met with him boy. We saw what he could do on a greaseboard man. We saw the rest of his measurable that he can actually deliver his high characters off the charts. There's going to be rumors out there. Bengals considering to a number one overall which is going to send Miami into a total like hair on fire moment unless they're sitting back. Say Hey man. We got all this draft capital next year. Two we can trade up in any draft two Trevor Arts. I think though that might be a different story. I think somebody's GONNA wind up making sure that their record is not as good as possible. We're close enough like Miami telling you. Should we just start that rumor right now? Now he tweeted out with fire. John Paul I'm just like I just like making a statement telling you how I feel and what I'm thinking in my bones. I've been around the block a few times of this combine in this evaluation period. You're way ahead of the Ravens. This year Mirjana here from him. Illness going to win the press conference. He's GonNa win the interviews. He's GonNa win everything and it's going to be the medical this. We're hearing that. He's winning the medical even and I guess what to as a running for number one overall again bengals considered so I I would. I just smell it. I feel it. You will get a badger on your phone Kris as your burping your grumbler. Brockman okay. Yes thank you. You'll get an alert on your phone breaking bengals considering to a number one overall bur what am. I what time like Friday afternoon. I don't know 'cause Thursday night. They league Friday morning. They leave Thursday. They're done quarterbacks are done you might even hear it. Even earlier. He such a dynamite. We met him equals you as he was amazing. He was everything hoped he was. Everything was good stock. Good family good human person. You won't have to ever worry about it. But he's only six foot. Even borrow. Borough will play into it will play into it if he does not come out that podium and say. I you know if the bengals take me. I will change their culture. You know if the bengals take me. I'll be thrilled to be number. One overall being honored to be number one overall. I'm from Ohio. Of course I have no problem with the bengals steak and he could operate otherwise off-camera our number three from always sunny in Philadelphia now. Apple's mythic Quest Raven's banquet very funny rob mcelhinney and so much more from the Kobe memorial and Chris Brockman News Update podcast. One has some exciting news. It's official our shows are now available on spotify and it's free we. 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REShow: Todd McShay. Hour 1 (01-03-20)

The Rich Eisen Show

44:57 min | 1 year ago

REShow: Todd McShay. Hour 1 (01-03-20)

"Thank you for listening to this. podcast one sports net production available on apple podcast and podcast one. There are things that should not it be copycat killers they exist. Those who are compelled to turn bloody fiction into a real life. Four store expired by the joker. Her they do it because the act of power and control the license to kill life imitates art and unfortunately in sodas death reels and podcast. One Who grouchy murder made me famous comes the next great true crime podcast copycat killers join host Dr J. Buzzed. Von Ornstein. As he analyzes true crime is based on Hollywood hits new episodes every Tuesday on apple podcasts. Awesome podcast one or hey everybody. Welcome addition to the rich Eisen show. My name is rich. EISEN GLAD TO BE DR. Hey how are you. Hey we are This is a great. I'm just a happy camper for various reasons number. One It's the playoffs. The NFL playoffs are correct. We got that going on. So that's that's number one number two another thing that I'm particularly excited about is I'm wearing. I'm wearing learn new sweater. My mother-in-law gave it to me for Thanksgiving. I mean for Thanksgiving for for Hanukkah Snyder. Happy Thanksgiving everybody memory. It was the press conference yesterday with the happy Thanksgiving I got it for Thanksgiving but I'm an Hanukkah it. It looks great does it. Does it look good color. I'm you know I'm I'm just excited to be here today. We've got to football Diehard football guests on this program and then a return engagement She's not been here for two years. almost three is that right April role of seventeen. Okay we already or reminisce rounding up reminds minds able at my. My Dad used to do with me. Whenever I would be acting too young for my age he would say he would round up to the higher fire? Age that I that I think you're almost seven exactly right or if I was trying to stay up late he would round down down your only six or you're only six can't stay up this late. I just did that You just did that. Michelle Man's going to be here in Studio Messiah on Netflix. Susie and I just I started watching it. It's a lot of it's really intense and Some of its rip straight from headlines Right now and that's being streamed on Netflix And she will be here so It it is Friday the third right. Yes tomorrow the bills and Texans kick off off the NFL. One hundred playoff season correct fact. Okay that would be tomorrow would be the six days after the regular season is over right tomorrow yes. Today is five days. He's after the regular season is over. Correct I just WANNA make sure. I'm all buttoned up. Yes and Sunday and then Monday Tuesday. Today's so then I. I asked this with the ultimate of respect before we turn our attention to the playoffs. What the Hell of the Dallas Cowboys doing this? It makes no sense. I I mean there is no truly rational football explanation For what's going on with the Dallas Cowboys. There isn't one I honestly can't fathom why Jason Garrod is still the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. Because they haven't come out and said he's he's going to be the coach next year. I mean for someone who spoke after every game every loss and stood there and heard all the questions about his coach and all of it put together added up to if Dallas did not make the playoffs Jason Garrett would be gone from not signing him to another year. It's a proven year coming into this year through midseason not performing very well at one point him saying that Jason Garrett will be a coach next year the NFL and then and would not add for us somewhere. The oddest vote of confidence. I've ever heard very solid up. Now by the oddest end of the playing season scenario in which every team that doesn't keep its coach fires lawyers. It's coach or even if they have a contract like the one that they have Dallas apparently has with Jason Garrett that runs through January fourteenth which is interestingly enough the Tuesday after the National Championship game in College Football. It's kind of an odd date. It's not like anything tagged to the new league year. It's not the end of the season it's tagged to the end of the college football season. I again I. I don't know if that's exactly where they came up with that date or not. I can't fathom why this is still happening. Why is he still the coach? Because you need to get a leg up on everybody else you need to go. Anybody who's worth apparently an interview view right now as it's been acquired eric enemy is apparently on his third interview of the week today as the browns are are visiting with him today in the browns are on it and I said that with the proper and flooding the unless again Dallas is looking and already talking to somebody that nobody else has asked for permission to or four but has gotten or is talking to how would that not have leaked. I mean the most covering even the we're all I mean literally coming on the air you're on this show today sounding out with you. I'm sound working through this because I cannot understand what's happening and you might turn to me at any point during this show whether it's todd mcshay calling in shortly to talk about how the college bowl season is affecting now that we are in two thousand twenty the talent evaluation portion of the calendar that twenty teams. That aren't looking for a new head coaches. They are already focused zeroed in on everybody that has made the playoffs. Some teams that have made the playoffs or zero down this teams that haven't made the playoffs and looking for a coach. They are zeroed in on this. So Todd mcshay is gonNA join US curt Menefee in our number three he is the host of NFL on Fox. That's Big Fox's right the the Sunday morning show just one near our long as I pointed. Aw Two hours actually well. NFL on Fox. Kurt Kurt does is one one. Yes our right but there's kick than the NFL. I I don't know I'm I'm on the air doing a four hour show. I don't know what's going on that. I do my own thing. And I'm referring hiring to a text exchange that I had with a whole bunch of my colleagues that was set up by the high class. Mike to Rico. Doing something Nice on sent out a text me me and Menefee James Brown and Chris Thompson and Sam Ponder. Hey everybody who's hosts a show on Sunday. Great job enjoyed watching you all year way to get through the season. Enjoy the playoffs. Hope to see in the super bowl very high class to which I responded I'm sorry on the only only one on this chain since on the on this chain hosting a four hour show. I'm just seeing this. No one responded to it Colonel Beer in our three. I'll ask him point blank. I offend fringe. I didn't even get those emojis whether you press the button. Ha Ha get one of those haw you think there's markle on the chain who saw it was just your number. That came up like they don't have years Pontiac entirely policy in there. That's entirely possible. Who who is this other other? Yeah random number on Kane they would then know who it is because they know there's only one host of four hour Sunday NFL. pre-game show. No I mean to tell me out of school Kurtz here. My point is at any point. Even Shell Monaghan conversation. You may turn to me and say Jason Garrett has been fired even at word or last night reported even the reports on on this are weird. Because nobody's getting solid one hundred percent information now. The report is that is that Garrett has been informed he will no longer be part of the organization which is like the sweetest way to say. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. They can't even tell him he is a sweet. I've met him. I'm telling you he is is truly one of the nicest most positive people you'll ever come across. No the greatest awesome the greatest soul Edward or tweet. Yeah abundance of care and respect we want to make sure we tell you what ten foot tall wall writing. We've all seen his finally come to reality. Want to tell you the nicest way possible is this is a cutthroat league. I can't figure it out I can. Are they going to keep him because that's how they're acting. Are they going to let go if they are. What is the point of what they're doing because they got to find the next person in the next person could be you already in an interview room with another team and I know that they think their brand is top notch? It is and that their job is is well regarded arted and it is say whatever you feel about the Joneses. They did keep a coach for ten years. I mean they did give the guy a shot a decade they have actually cultivated this caper for twenty five years. I mean they let Jason Garrett sit in on on coaches meetings when he was a player so they have had a ton invested. And if you are a coach that's what you want you want to an owner. Who is going to go ahead and give you that sense of security? Even the point where you don't have security show him out the door when we're all waiting for it including him I on. I have no explanation. There is no rational football explanation for what's what's going on here. Especially if he does want to find a job let him let him go right. You'd think I have no. There is no explanation and at some point. Today you may turn to me and say it's Doug at which point I will say good good for Garrett let them find another job and who's next for Dallas cowboys. That's why I keep turning Lincoln Riley. Everybody keeps telling me to move on. That's the only rational explanation because Lincoln Riley. Nobody's asked for permission for him and he hasn't said Buro peop- since LSU plus you blew him out by the way todd mcshay was there for ESPN radio. I can't wait to ask him what it looked like and his own with. Its own two eyes to see Joe Borough do what he did Ed to Oklahoma. That's the reason why I keep coming back to it in every Oklahoma fans has shut up which we don't WanNA lose her guy and everybody in the. NFL's like you heard what Bruce Feldman said yesterday. Yeah that would. The the old would surprise me. Wouldn't shock me which which shocked me wouldn't surprise me. I I always transpose. Those two. That's the only reason why I could come back to this. What if it's Daboh no way off now? That would be a holy poop situation because now you're waiting for somebody WHO's playing in this game exactly and the contract just conveniently expires the day after that would mean that he's already agreed to it because they're they're not gonna just sit around and let mcdaniels interview and all all these other people interview or urban interview and not get in on it. I'm ready for anything at this point but again what fills the vacuum innuendo rumor conspiracy her. That's all we have at this point. Like for instance. Chris Ballard going ahead and saying that the jury's still out on on Jacoby perset people like what does that mean could a a want to draft a quarterback. Could they go ahead. And maybe get a free agent quarterback where you know what I mean. How the culture drafting somewhere in the In the in the teens thank you know. I'll just perfect symbol. I'll fill it would be like go there when a championship with pass his brother other statue called pick and thirteenth. They got the offensive line running game. They've got the weapons only needed. Somebody neck up. Who knows where or the or it's all going? What he lies number ten walk past his brother's statue number eighteen walk into that building? And do it again. How about that spot like throw it out there emoji on our twitter account at richeisenshow? The playoffs no idea. What the Hell The Dallas cowboys are up to? That's where we are in the NFL. One hundred season. Call me somebody. Call me and tell me what the hell's going on with the Dallas cowboys. GimMe your best. Guess I'll take your calls eight four four two zero four rich. I'm more than happy to put tin foil hat stuff on on the air. Because I have no rational explanation for what the Hell's going on and neither apparently does anybody who's is covering this team and the land just a little bit ashamed all right. You know what that drops snapped me back into reality Jack with you today. We're back back okay. What's our poll question? Chris before we get out okay. So this is We mentioned this earlier earlier in the week. So let's let's do it right here. Friday wild card weekend starts tomorrow. S Bills Texans which wildcard road team. Yes most likely to make a deep run deep broad bills. Titans New England Vikings at saints. seahawks at Egos the Ron Brown means. I'M GONNA throw out deep run as the Brown Championship Championship. Weekend is a deep deep deep. Final four deep unplayable and I. This is backing up my fourth down heartache. Clutching the plank for my four downs on Tuesday. That a road team. This weekend is GonNa make the championship. The game one of the average Eisen show on twitter. Give us a call. Eight four four to afford it at the very end of the show. Chris Brockman sneaky. Good Games all four games of this weekend. We can on that docket and then I will give you my on lock east lock of the week there is one. Oh Oh yeah baby. Oh there is one and I'll give you the rest of my picks Mike Del all to folks getting ready to flop sweat sweat a floor cast calls for flung no. I'm Mike Del Tufo. Is the weather report. We have not done all year long. Hey how's the weather out there. It is not been done yet. Mike del Tufo giving you the weather report and I can't can't wait. Hey how's the weather out to get the weather report from you on a game in a dome because it's always happens unprepared to give it. There's two on games to wait to hear you give me that weather today. One hundred percent chance of flop sweat later. Okay well Michelle Monaghan might still be here. I mean I'm not worried fantastic. That's how we're rolling here on this Friday right before. Wildcard edition of the rich Eisen show. It's the greatest time of the year in sports. Nfl College football MLB NBA NHL. 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This is gonNA stop buying our number two as well but I turn the phone lines right now. and get one of the best at his profession as well. I watched him be on the sidelines. Thanks for the Orange Bowl. Where Florida Virginia? And then I heard him driving around he was Helping call the Peach Bowl where LSU destroyed Oklahoma glomma free SPN radio ESPN NFL draft analyst and reporter? Todd mcshay Hall you todd doing well. I don't know if you were on error was just in commercial. Oh but you're talking about mispronouncing names I just want to let you know T- Higgins I called. He's a wide receiver for Clemson. I call them tea. Martin about twelve command on. Hey man it happens right. I know by the way it just kills me. That I don't know why I said. T Martin it was definitely higgins until they had to play it back to me. Oh my are are you kidding I know and like you swear like I've never I would never do that. Why would I ever do that and you did your colleague tests with DECAF metcalf? Often here I am calling Watson Winston Winston Watson and then Winstons throwing a guy named Watson and my heads exploding no of course. There's no way I said it until I got my. Oh I'm sure your twitter feed wasn't a total dumpster. Fire like mine was todd. Oh wait a minute. I'm sure it was. Everyone is what was it like again. I I'm having worked with may offer as long as I did and then Daniel Jeremiah For as long as I have I know most of the time you are watching Top Notch top ranked if not number one overall draft choices mostly on tape. You saw Barrow in person for ESPN radio do what he did the Peach Bowl. What in the hell is it looked like with your own two eyes todd? It was unbelievable. Unbelievable it really was. I was there for Vince. Young against USC just Kinda taking over the game. And I've been fortunate enough to you see a lot of great performances. This one was different though this one it was watching surgeon. Go in and just have the best surgery that you could possibly we just and I know he got protection and I know that his receivers Justin Jefferson for you know for starters making contested to catches three of them for touchdowns. I've never seen a quarterback live more poised more comfortable and more just in his own skin and understanding exactly where he needed to go at the ball in what he was reading and more precise than he was it was it was remarkable remarkable so we had them live last year and I thought he was a pretty good player. Thought he was. You know maybe a mid round pick and then this year it's been completely different studying tape. And then watching him lives. It was watching the game actually slow down. He made the game. Slow down for me which is hard to say. I've watched an update where it's pretty slow for me. He made the game slowdown for me. Because of how comfortable he wasn't the pocket and how informed he was about what he was reading. It really was a special performance watching it gets Oklahoma and I get it Oklahoma's not a great defense. They've had struggles all year loan but it doesn't I mean even seven on seven to watch someone that precise and that in control really impressive. Well I mean I mean look we could we could sit here and parse anything especially the Oklahoma defense but the throws he was making todd. He's thrown back shoulders high pointing to the right. I point guys. He's leading the right guys. He's also keeping his head up as he's leaving the pocket. I mean it really was amazing. So so that said to us on a I think it was the second down and call the second eight. I forget what it was. He got absolutely buried POPs right up and then the next the next throw is from inside the pocket. I'm in the end zone watching him. He's throwing towards me. It's an in-cutting route about fifteen yards. 'cause he took the sack on the play before so now now it's third and thirteen thousand fifteen something along those lines. He's GonNa. He's getting ready to get hit again. And he doesn't flinch. He stares it down and he throws the ball with anticipation to a spot. I think it's going to be an interception from the end zone that I'm looking at and all of a sudden the receiver comes darting into the middle in cutting route and boom. I down to have the COHO. Needs the guts hanging the pocket after taking that hit. You don't see a lot of college. Oh it's quarterbacks do that usually the is down they start running around and either make a mistake or just take the sack and punt move on Qi hung in there for a first I down. And that's kind of the difference between him and most college quarterbacks That I watch and evaluate todd mcshay here on the rich Eisen show from the worldwide leader. So you know no as well as I do whether it's going to be somebody who's hoping he doesn't go number one overall so he drops or the over parsing the over hand-wringing saying that usually does happen because the town of evaluation portion of our counters. Way Too long. What's GonNa be what's going to be in the knock? What's going to be the knock? We hear around March April Arm in the world okay. What about the idea like where did he come from? What y you know to go from one year to this could it be a flash in the PAN? We're GONNA hear of that sort of stuff to the if if if he doesn't have a job radio with and doesn't have the right coaching. Maybe he's going to be the guy that we saw a year ago But they didn't let them play last year. That was that was the difference they. Lsu Did what Lsu is done for past two decades last year and ran the football all and didn't know what they wanted to be offensively he he just arrived from Ohio state after three years and and was developing into a leader and and trying to figure out how to the beep guy. And you I mean you could tell them the first quarter of the first game this year. He was just a different cat. He came in with confidence he knew he wanted to be and Joe Brady brought out the best in him and yes like Clyde Edwards air was was a huge help at the running back position but he didn't play the other night the wide receivers grew up a little bit. All those young receivers grew up and they they played better but it really to me. It was him developing and figuring coming out who he is and what he wants to be and being in an offensive system. There was more like what he played in high school and more like the one that he had learned for a few years at Ohio state and then he took a year sabbatical to become the leader and become the guy and then and then Joe Brady came in and Churn Burrow into borough and I I was it took me a while. It was four or five games into the year where I finally gave in. But he's the best quarterback that's eligible in this here's class we'll see what is going to announce on Monday. I'm I'm hearing both sides but I think there's a much better chance of him going back to school than I ever would have thought. Aw but regardless. I think jober I was going to be the number one overall pick in. He's going to be the first quarterback taken. Todd let's jump in. I mean what possible reason would to have to go back. I have no idea I have no idea I really don't I right. Because you're you must be hearing evaluators orders. I wouldn't take another snap in college if I was to and I would advise his family in that. I've talked to Nick Sabin about it. You have an nick. Stop pushing him nick. Is You know nick is as good as anyone in the in the game at sure giving the players the information and letting them decide And he wants to make sure that they get the right information. I will as again as much as any coach in the profession and he told me he talked to twenty teams and we were talking about all of their different players. You know there's fifteen players from that team could wind up being drafted or wind up leaving early and he wanted to make sure that every single player the right information to it it just comes down to what he thinks medically what his doctors are telling him medically what he's is getting in terms of an evaluation back and that is the part that none of us know right now that's the way it's one of the big unknowns. I can think of in terms arms of a potential top five pick if you're evaluating him from a talent standpoint we just don't know nobody knows except his inner circle and we'll just we'll find out a lot of things I think. Well I mean in the way it's GonNa Work Todd mcshay here on the rich Eisen show as as as you and I know. Let's let's inform our listeners and viewers viewers of this conversation. His his medical will be the most. Maybe the most viewed item at the combine. This year of any even. Ah Even if anybody's forty yard dash or waiting reps or name address. We'll be I if if he is T- decides to the clear for this draft right it will be the most scrutinized aspect any part of the entire pre-draft process question about and and then they'll do the the the wreath medical recheck in the first week in April April usually and then every single team that has a chance to draft him or his any interest in drafting and we'll send their medical team out. It's and then they'll bring him into ended their facility and go through more medical checks. It will be a very very long process for to talk about Lola if he decides to declare for the strapped. And even if it's a year from now but it will be scrutinized as I can remember any individual in the whole process because the tape doesn't lie a and then when he goes on the greaseboard when he sits face to face with an owner or coach. She's GonNa absolutely knock it out of the park. Meaning they're all gonna it'd be like one of the best guys you've ever been right. Which means there's nothing to dislike about him? His competitiveness even always been injured. He's it's been tough is teammates loved him his coach that Love Him i. There's not a single person who's ever said one negative thing about two that I've ever talked to and I've but I've been I've been trying. He's he's amazing you know. So they're they're all going to go to the doctors and basically say tell me something something good please tell me something. Please valuation for him. So he's just gotTa figure. Do I want to go into the NFL that way if this weekend. He's he and his doctors are looking at whatever medical report. They're getting in there like you can do this. I mean that's essentially the choice has here. Here's the other thing that I that I've been told from a very good source okay. He can't do anything until April like you. There's nothing he can can do physically until April so the Monday comes and passes and he has no idea he just doesn't know the doctors don't definitively know because it's just a waiting it's a rehab process and they're hopeful and everyone saying the right thing but that's that would be the only only reason to go back is because you just don't know because in in April right before the draft is when they think he'll be able to start walking and start to do. Oh some physical activity and to not know that information and all of a sudden dying the you know the twenty first year. That's that's a lot to to wait four so but then do you go back to school and play again in in Risk Injury I. It's a really difficult decision for him. It really is. I don't I don't know what I would do if I was if if I was his parents trying to advise him I would say. Don't play another college snap. But I'm also not saying the best idea is to be in this draft and and then two weeks before the draft doctors come out and say well it's going to be another eight months before you're able to start doing physical activity. You're playing football again. And that's not gonNA help so yeah. It's brutal todd. mcshay here on the rich Eisen show Who else has helped himself in the bowl? Season Todd in the ball all season I would say Jeff Khuda the quarterback for Ohio State. You got a heck of a game played really well everyone for for. La Played Really. Well it had a great game the safety he's going to be a top ten pick. Did nobody tell Jerry. Did nobody tell Jerry Judy how highly he was going to be drafted and tell tell him to sit out the virgo. Nobody did nobody get in his ear. Todd come on come on I mean I love it again bump if his dad I'm saying don't play but I love the fact that he played in. Every evaluator loves the fact that he played. He had nothing that he had to show show or play for. He's a top ten. Pick he in CD LAMB or two receivers. That really had not very at least. CD was playing in a semi final the game for Oklahoma right so it was understandable and everyone expected him to play Jerry. Judy only out there and playing against Michigan. I thought it was awesome. I love that. Could this could this could this be an AJ green. Julio Jones situation with the two of them yeah absolutely I think those are the top two guys who I coltie Martin is going to be coming out of Clemson but but I think Judy's in twenty years of evaluating wide receivers evaluating players I. He's the best route runner I've ever evaluate. Yeah WanNA draft Clayton up the biggest. He's not the fastest. He's GonNa run a four and five and it's all good. He's he's just like Marvin Harris knows how to get open. He knows how to get open. and CD is great after the catch and is tough and physical and does all the little things but those two guys are in my opinion. Both were top ten picks all right last couple of questions for you. Todd you hear anything about Lincoln Riley maybe going to cowboys anything at all on that front. I haven't heard anything. I haven't heard I've heard some other names. I mean I've I've heard his name. I didn't talk to him about it. He he was asked the question in. He couldn't have run away from the question fast enough obviously he did not specifically say that he was not taking aching job or would not be interested in he just ran away from the question. And then last thing for you I give you Three I put you to desk. I give you a sharpy. I'll give you a pencil and then a pen in an old Jar Container of of Whiteout which kids might not know but I give you. I gave you those three items. What you used to write down Joe borrow and chase young one two in the draft? What are you do sharp now? Do you didn't even stutter. That's going to happen. Borrow bengals chase young redskins. That's the way it's going to go and you can play his back. Just like someone's GonNa play back Martin Winston Watson stuff. Sure got it todd. I loved everything you did the here. And you're on On the call my son and I watched the Orange Bowl was great. Good Times a happy new to you. Of course happy New Year to you and yours. Let's chat Often often place look forward to catch. You got right back at you. That's todd mcshay at mcshea. Thirteen sharpie quick story a quick story based on what he said about Joe Borrow. I was just a newbie though. He's a veteran evaluator. Football Standing Standing My First Super Bowl. I super bowl that I was covering for. NFL Network first time ever on a field for super bowl because we were doing. The Post is game. Show the we being me and Solomon Wilcutt. s- oh solid man. They say director's chairs on me and him as the NFL films crew. That was working. The international channel feed were the ones who stuck around to broadcast it. Because del Tufo and the rest of the NFL network. Gang was off to the protocols. That for that I stayed behind standing there. You heard how he said that Joe Borrow through what he said a fifteen yard In cut so what. He said something like that something like that and he took the hit and as he released it was heading straight for an Oklahoma sooner until one of his receivers just came and swooped in. Oh okay. She's thrown into a spot. He's trusting trusting is receiver. He knows the route he knows the coverage. He knows he's going to take a hit. He's delivering the number of times. I watched Tom Brady. Eighty matriculate the ball down the field against the Carolina Panthers in the last possession of that super bowl that wound up with another vegetarian game winning field goal for a super bowl. All the number of Times Brady let the ball go took the head and I thought they are goes in interception. There's the game and a member of the Patriots receiving core just zipped right and and caught the ball for perfectly run route and throw. I lost track telling demand everybody calls this guy a Tom Brady like talent. What a huge compliment? And of course a huge potential the anchor going into your professional playing career but he is off the charts good and two if two is going to be sitting here right Mike now getting an opinion from a doctor saying come. April can't guarantee you. Now I can sit here. And wonder why he would consider going back to Alabama but if I was him and he went back to Alabama. I would say guess what I`Ma Coaches assistant and I'm going back to school like Thornton Melon. I might do the triple Indian the pool. That is all I'm going to do because he thinks you know what. I can't risk getting a medical report in April that there's another eight months to go. He can't risk that. And then there's the biggest question mark of him. What can he do after being gone for as long as he was gone? But I would still. I don't know is I just told you. Evaluators are going to WANNA draft them. Owners are going to WanNa half are are going to fall in love with them and so will coaches and they're all GonNa look at the medical staff and say. Tell me something good. Wow that's all common Monday. Your phone calls at eight four. Four two zero four rich coming up next on the rich Eisen show. 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Everybody sees his medical on. Says we see the same thing your doctors do and then he throws for just a couple of teams in April. He'll be a top pick. The dolphins fell in love with him. The mini looked off the safety to be Georgia in the national championship game. He had dolphins often. Hello there sitting there at five with the firepower to do whatever the hell they want to move up as certainly the way Joe boroughs playing. It certainly helps Miami to be sitting there at five five. That borough is an Ohio kid right and the bengals need a quarterback and works out stick. Phone Calls Chad in Utah. Right here on the rich Eisen show up Chad. Happy Blue Friday to you. This is John Okay. Same sadly I would normally be talking about the seahawks but we're talking about You need a little bit of help figuring out why Jerry Jones is doing what he's doing I would impart my my vision on that. Okay what I feel very valuable. Where twenty twenty we're talking this Ego and emotion. That's what drives Jerry Jones. And if you're invested in a guy like he's invested in Garrett over ten plus years over a lifetime really then. You're eagles not let you just cutting loose as as quickly as you would another quarterback quarterback or another coach emotionally. That's all Jerry Jones is ever done. Look Back Tony. Got Rid of Jerry Jimmy Johnson and brought him Barry Switzer because a pissing match. That was taking place in a bar after the super bowl and Jimmy taking too much credit when Jerry One more credit jerry works on emotion so emotion and ego is why we have not heard anything out of Dallas yet. Unless you're GONNA come on our breaking news and make everything said no no no no. There's nothing breaking news to under undercut The the idea that Garrett is outer inch. Thanks for the call. Chad I I I I. I'm not GonNa say what what Jerry did with. Jimmy and Barry is is operative here. He's a he's a different phase in life man's in his mid seventies. He wants to win. I think winning winning is what motivates Tim and in terms of ego saying it's ego. I've already said to you. There's only one way he wants to own a team and that is pick the players with his with his son had said the same way that you have a fantasy team and you pick the players of your son or daughter and that's the only way that you would own a fantasy team you wouldn't farm out to somebody. That's the same way views owning the Dallas cowboys. I always just your fantasy team is not worth billions. Perhaps I'm assuming either you know what I'm just. I'm I'm just telling you there's something up. Could it be the rumor that it's Jason witten because if it is that's just not know whitten's not on anybody else's radar screen. You don't need to ask permission to interview and what you need to do is follow the Rooney rule. That's what you need to do. 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Hour 3 - Todd McShay (12-18-19)

The Dan Patrick Show

44:18 min | 1 year ago

Hour 3 - Todd McShay (12-18-19)

"Thank you for listening to this. podcast one sports net production available on Apple podcasts. And podcast one. There are things in life that are okay to cheap out on but your car battery is not one of them. And that's because you never know what a cheap battery could cost you like Say Paul's going to see the holy triumphant Russian concert reunion show off. Aw It's impossible right now but that's certainly something you wouldn't WanNa miss because your car won't start. That's why you need interstate batteries. America's number one replacement battery and the brand auto techs prefer prefer three times more than any other brand get a battery test today. Find your closest dealer at Interstate. BATTERIES DOT COM at interstate batteries outrageously dependable broadcasting esteem from the Mercedes men case. This is Dan Patrick. Welcome to the final hour on this Wednesday. Dan and the DANETTES. Dan Patrick Show had some fun with Anthony. Davis of the Lakers acres last our first hour. We talked to Michael Irvin a playmaker. Todd mcshay from the mothership has his first mock draft and we were excited about it. So so we're GONNA have todd on to talk about what goes into creating that mock draft pro bowlers announced. But we don't care who got in. We always care about who got snubbed. mclovin I'm talking about Dak Prescott. I've been talking about him getting snubbed. Who is somebody else? That you'd say is Tops on the list of getting snubbed for the pro bowl that we might have heard of. Well obviously Kirk hasn't went okay. But has kirk cousins. Okay let me see. Did Kirk cousins. Get snubbed twice. Oh he got snubbed. By the first it's three quarterbacks named and now I'm saying Dak Prescott getting snubbed by Dak Prescott love again. So that's a double snubbed. For Kirk because the numbers are great for Kirk cousins. But he's got to prove himself in a big game not the Dak.. Prescott has yes but being the quarterback for the cowboys. You're going to get a whole lot more attention apple. Julian Edelman at thirty three years old. After an injury he's got ninety two catches a thousand yards and six touchdowns he's been targeted seven times inside the ten yard line. And a five of those have been touchdown but who you taking out. I'm taken out drew brees and putting in Prescott. What wide receivers are you taking out with the NFC? And how many receivers do they take with that property. Do we know mclovin. I'm not sure it's funny. I didn't know Edmonds numbers for that. Good he's been pretty ineffective and I saw all that where he had ninety two catches. He's been bagged up to here so. NFL DOT COM a couple more. Honey Badger Tyrone Matthew. WHO's awesome Josh Jacobs her doubt Anthony Harris the AFC. Running backs Christian. McCaffrey I the AFC AFC Derrick Henry Nick Chubby lease legal rushing and Mark Ingram. So Mark Ingram and Josh Jacobs Josh has a few more yards but ingram's Ingraham yeah. Yeah he's he's been really instrumental because you you have to buy that play fake with him that allows Lamar to get out on the edge and I think Ingram and he's been sell Selfless too and he's promoted. Lamar Jackson the entire season. Here's a go by Darren Waller Tight End Oakland raiders. That guy is amazing. Yeah I mean it's probably a story story but I don't know who's ahead of Mark Andrews is one and Al Calc- it's hard. NFC running backs. McCaffrey who else would be in their Jones for the packers. Did he get in there. I know that he had a pretty good run their touchdown wise where he was leading. McCaffrey Chris Carson. is way up there in yards. We pull up the pro bowl. Russ how about that. Zeke Elliot to is obviously had a really good year. Believe it or not doesn't feel like banana. Okay Yeah you have it. Yes the the running back in the NFC or Davin Cook whose Christian McCaffrey. And Ezekiel Elliott. Okay so that means yeah. I don't know how controversial that is. Yeah I it's it's strange. It's the team that nobody wants to play four but everybody wants just to be on and we talk about the snubs. Yeah Paul Sneaky staffer you. Adrian Peterson who I think. A lot of people don't even know that he's in the League still. He's on pace for almost a thousand yards this year. He's going to finish with like nine hundred at four point three yards a carry out of nowhere on weight is he is on pace for a thousand or he's GonNa end up with nine hundred. He well he he he by nine pace for about nine twenty five okay. Yeah but he's having a very good season for his age. We just got a tweet here. You're and granted. This tweet doesn't represent all tweets sent to the show. fritzy is drastically overestimating his humor. In the mock headlines The humor is around owned the mock headlines we as an audience can't be held responsible. Here's what I'm saying the fact that you're sharing that instigating the negatively if I get positive ones about your mock headline Sunday get lost in the shrine and your sports teams. No this is passed onto me Paulie and today's in Mario will. We'll send me if there are positive tweets about your mock headlines to your sports related not as fun though if I'm watching listening to the show it's like oh if I liked something. Negative on their Rip Fritzy Bandwagon. Maybe it'll read mine. This is what happens if you find positive one. Then I'll read it. I was GONNA take awhile. I know going to be far. More negative humor is that there's no humor in your mock headlines or aw aw no it's just rare said was taken the wrong way. I think everyone thinks I'm like gang up on our audience like everyone's just down on it and we no no no. They can't think for themselves. Whatever you guys think they're gonNA think and maybe I did say that but I didn't mean quite that harshly? No you wait to have their own minds to make up but I do think they take. Take your elite. It's called the Audience Idiots. I think is what you said sort of that but I did say heavily influenced by the rest of your can felt like you were saying. There's so stupid they don't understand. Brilliant actually stop just short of going You sure yeah now you got the belt from headlines but that was years ago thank you. Mr Premature Primavera was it promised a premature premature of that. That was one of the great ones that that was that was A. What's John Elway like a walk off? I should like never have done another one after. This is what we're saying. This was the Rick Pitino. Having a relationship with a woman in Italian Italian restaurant after closedown and then fritzy had prostate. Well yes pasta premature. It's it's and who's to say how long things that it's not my business but I just thought it fit very well around played off the word. I don't WanNa fend. I don't know and you nailed it. Yes you you know what. Maybe we are being a little too harsh because it only took us about twenty five thousand other. My can't walk off so that doesn't get you in the market. Nell does not but I will say you keep swinging. I'm going to say two out of ten. You hit you have to step up to the plate even if you're not introduced by the VA guy. Just grab a bat and just get on generous kicked out now joining us with crappy mock headlines Say Hello Todd. Fritz Dodd Fritz. My favorite those. When can you repeat it? As if I'm not smart enough to get it the first time around and then it just makes it worse when Belle dingle now are you going to do this on Friday maps doing a Friday. And you're going to be like I heard one hundred twelve once again. It's the comedy the humor around the mock headline so i. I should just kind of accept that in and deal with. I don't want you know I w changing embrace the bad reaction that if the humor is in the hell sucking Based sucky cleverness of the actual names and I guess off the live account. I D- I don't. I don't know if it's officially been designated that way. But Yes yes he just in the In an effort of fairness here Scott and South Carolina just emailed the show my favorite segment mock headlines. fritzy carries this show it only being fair indicating read in parentheses. But really. It's the reacted to you. Guys ready you. Do you have a burner account. Wow what's present carries. Mary's this show. Yeah see that Camman. Or is that a playoff of my mouth about Jordan going to the carrier Gentleman Syracuse. So that was that was his version of a mock headline working in somehow Syracus into that. Now it's it's gotta be Kinda pathetic. Now we celebrated your son got into Syracuse. He slipped in. I'm sure that Jim Boeheim. You reached out to Bay Heim and said could you say nice. Oh you just stumbled onto funny topic. Laurie Lachlan thing. You're I want to. I don't know Jackie's Ace. I don't know they they. They have your son doing a women's volleyball. They have picture of playing women's volleyball to get into. Did you reach out to Jim Boeheim for any kind of letter of recommendation. I think I asked for years ago for him to do a what. You're one of those bar tough bar Mitzvah things but that was like sixty years ago but now that I wouldn't I learned from Korea celebs in what happens then you try to beat the system. Stay away from that stuff. That's totally on his merits. But I'm extra. You didn't learn your lesson. Did it. Because I did it a second toys order you. You've got in trouble from management. I did I got a slap on the actual risks like actual trouble where management called me and said unprofessional and Professional. That you you lost a Christmas bonus once in a lifetime thing for by son to do something special they'll have forever. It's like but that's really puts US according to article all three column four of the Human Resources. How are you going to put somebody on and journalistically be fair? Now you're GonNa talk about coach K.. Since he did something Jordan now you have the only say nice things about duke forever affect our the show and the program. You were told not to do it. I wasn't anything until after it was done. And then after you did it you you did it again. I did but I did. I kind of mentioned that threw it out there for who may or may not be listening to. No no no no no. That can't blow off the other child who just. Aw I told you not to do it. I was trying to protect you understand when I couldn't I couldn't not do something for my daughter the third child and you do it again likely but again when you get a slap on the wrist is hard slap was I looked and said wait a second. I got a second wrist so we we can do it one more time and look. I probably would do the same thing if I was in a situation like that where I was desperate to get my kids love but you know that's a show off in front of his friends but I I'm not you know one of those. Ask for forgiveness. After I know that's just an I would. I would do the same thing again and I. I feel that strongly about it. That they'll always be able to see this forever and the reaction that was was by their friends in that on that special night. I just think it's priceless. No we've actually. There was a price tag. Now though it did. Make it a little harder to pay on you you. You did what I think most dads would do if you could do it ratings. You can't ask for something like that. No that's something can end up talking. There's an accent that it doesn't. That's so old that references so it's like your references to sports names but the level ones. What are they called the peons? Whatever it is that they'll get that and that's important to new ones that have been following since day one? They'll know what that mean. No they know they won't. We should probably just land the plane. I'm GONNA do a deep dive deep dive. WHO's the AL L. Liar? That's where we had somebody whose job was to monitor the show and then report back to somebody on that we gave no no no no. I didn't even know this. I had a spy spy who was reporting back to management and at one point I was talking about my career at ESPN. When we first started I was just using reference points and I just left so I was just talking about? ESPN and I get this panic stop talking about ESPN. You're giving away your ratings. Like they're going to go all the traders ESPN radio. Let's go listen to that show. They weren't aware of a company called. ESPN you're enlightening. Lightening Them. And that's why we're going to test that thing out. Hey kids listen to me there's a place called. ESPN YOU MIGHT WANNA watch. You might WANNA listen to. You may never have heard about funny all all these years of listening to sports talk I've never heard of this company. AM sportstalk ratings. And I went. You gotta be kidding me. I had somebody who is spying on us. Who then said you're giving away your rate and then reporting back to management there? You know what they're doing they're talking about. ESPN yes spent eighteen years there now. Sorry about that. Josh and California joins us on the program. Josh do you have a grievance for twenty nine thousand nine I do before my agreements I would really I just WanNa say I gotTa Traeger on your recommendation Asian and it was a game changer. And I can't thank you enough. That being said thank you. Why do we have to say that being said can we get okay? Thank you judge that being said that was a good call call. Stephen Denver joins us on the show. Good Morning Steve. Good Morning Dan. I'd like to add a grievance actually call thank you for the calendar under but my grievance is When somebody says used to be my former teammate or Sorry I can't one but hey I am radio airball ornament. Oh you made the arable ornament. How long did it take to do that? Steve It took me long. I got a lot of free time in fact you nicknamed me last year. Let's see lots of Free Denver Guy Because I did with no law fight ornament streak is intact there. But how many man hours did it take take to make that. That's the best ornament we've ever received but thank you. I'm going to estimate three hours okay. But it's probably you know. I'm a notorious earliest underestimate or so you had my conversion factor. It's probably more like six. What did you do the rest of the year Steve? I've been thinking about about the ornament for a long time but I actually run my own consulting company very good. It's well done. It's he's recreated under a bubble bowl. It's Mario with the shooting the air ball and in the a you a semi final game that cost his team a chance to go under the title game but Steve Stay on hold. Does Mario Heavier address. Because I wanted to send you out some Some other things some shirts. Some hats here if Hold I I wanted to think Paulie for one thing real quick if I could. Wow that's rare okay. I got so I sent in my wedding calendar which is kind of in inside joke between me and my wife and in Todd wrote something very nice on their unmistakably todd handwriting and then Paulie wrote. We're all so happy for yes. I saw the calendar and and Mario goes somebody sent in a wedding calendar. Not even one of our calendars owners. Because I told people if you want to send something self addressed stamped envelope in we'll we'll sign it. We went to the brewers game that was when we were in the sausage races and we ran into a Bachelor Party and Todd just met the groom to be and he grabs his hand with both of his hands. Todd has both hands on this guy. He's just met. Were so happy for. We're also happy for I. got a little little overcoming where we're all also have before so Steve. I'm glad you got that mentioned there and Mario will get your address. We'll send you some stuff for thank you again. Thank you Dan. That Stephen Denver gave us a great great Christmas ornament. I told you I'd read some tweets. I love the mock headlines question more or no no exclamation point. There you go. We've got but only one exclamation point. Here's another one. I personally enjoy fritzy's mock headlines. I'm not sure why do I'm ashamed for but I do enjoy read them. I say it again. We need daily mock headlines from fritzy classic. DP show content. We can't do that even even like once. A month is tough yes. I think it's a wonderful idea but again once again the negativity creeps thin and heavily edited key. I will credit paul either. Although I think lately I've been sending it to you anyway. You know he used to be very you. Take his Red Marco awards were safe to use not use and now I've kind of gone like you know you don't even you bypass polar which is very rude and that's not cool because you know he's in charge and he should get. I'm fine with not seeing them better because when I get them I go. I'll know todd you can't read this. This is from Christopher. Bean senior FRITZY's fritzy's unorthodox humor is a great part of the show. Just the way he talks and the speed of his talking is hilarious. Long live the mock headlines Fair points the speed is hilarious it is. I don't mean to talk deficits just neurotic well in Jewish thing. I don't know what it is but you know that I'm GonNa cut you off at some Palsy Shit because you keep branches ranches ramble. And whenever if I call todd like I have to kind of build in about ten ten minutes or fifteen minutes because I know I could just say hey a great job in booking guests or great job with what you did I tell you my life story. Yeah and I go through two stop signs because there are things you say like anyway someone's bleeding and and the other and I'm GonNa say and I'll just keep talking about everything. Yeah let's take a break here. Todd mcshay got a mock headline. He's got a mock draft maybe do mock headlines with his mock draft I love mock draft headlines. That's perfect now nineteen after the hour. This is the Dan Patrick Show. Everybody's got it to do this. I get one for my wife. Drop off the dry cleaning pick-up some milk figure out something to get out of the house. So I can relax. Here's an idea. Let's add save hundreds of dollars on car insurance. The good thing you don't have to drop off or pick up anything. 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I thought you were rubbing end that we only had like two or three calendar sent back it goes with that was early. Yes so funny. How that just that one statement? He's GonNa Follow Mario at least through the holidays there. Is Mario Looking happy. Oh he walked walked out and he's got his head down and go what he goes. He just pulled into the mail room and I walked back then when yes keep those cards and letters coming. Yes Paul a lot of those counters ascent from the tri-state area. Young Mario could just go door to door. He's got a car Gassama Mario's like He. I don't want anymore I go you ask for it and if people I want to send something in self addressed stamped envelope. That's all we ask and we will get those back to you. It's December and Golden Road Brewing. I got my keg it yesterday. I got my wolf pup session. That's going to be the beer of choice at the Christmas party so I'm excited about that. We've had that first time. I had it I had added on tap and it went boy. This is awesome. Also the mango card is great to that Pairs well with your holiday favorites Golden Road. They have a collection of rotating seasonal limited edition. Addition Bruce available in all fifty states. California inspired Golden Road Brewing Fresh Craft Beer since twenty eleven. He's Todd mcshay. ESPN NFL draft and college football analyst. Who joins US on the program? Good Morning Todd. How are you doing well? How's it going? I'm excited we're we're we're fired up We know your draft. Okay Yeah with wait. You don't sound excited about your mock draft. No I love it I love it okay. What goes into compiling the mock draft Question I starting may May and June I spend evaluating players watching tape then start the rankings and then it through the season get to that point and then you know the last couple of weeks start looking at all right. What are teams need? You know what I obviously. What's the draft order and then And then what are the teams teams need and then try to put the pieces together with the puzzle. And it's easier now because people can't scrutinize me or don't scrutinize as much as they do in about three months from now but are you factoring in also what you think the teams will do in your opinion of what they'll do or is this just based off need. This is what I think they're going to do. it's a little bit of both honestly. It's a little bit about the closer I get to the draft and I start college teams. I'm not gonNA bother GM right now with a what are you thinking. Where were you looking and those sorts of things but I think it's fairly early? Obviously this the bengals are. They need a quarterback but they they have a tough decision to make if they take chase young. The Ohio State Defensive End over Joe Borough at the quarterback position so those sorts of things kind of play out throughout the process. Okay let me ask you this. Then if you're the bengals if you're running the the bengals do take joe borough or chase young. This is a brutal question. And I'm GonNa give you the honest answer. I would take chase young and it's almost most never that I would say that I you look at the last the last two years for example there what I think eight quarterbacks were taken in the first round I think two of them that you feel great about that are going to be really good starters in the League for a long long time chase young would it would be one of the biggest shocks of my scouting career twenty years. If he didn't turn out to be a very very high end player. And the quarterbacks Baxter at best they're like forty sixty in terms of how they turn out now. I don't how important they are. But the second most important position in in scouting putting in evaluating is finding the guy that can get after the quarterback. And if I know I can have somebody. WHO's as good if not better than the bosses and chase? Ace Young I I just I would have to go in that direction and that it goes against what I normally would say. But I I I just think the chase young. Is that special if Trevor Lawrence this was available this year trevor. Oh okay so just seeing on so you would take Trevor Lawrence over Joe Borough. Yes yeah and I would take two over Joe Borough if two or was it didn't have the hip injury now. I and I love what Joe is done. But it's been one year and last year coming into the season. I had a fourth fifth round grade on. And you know I've met with them. I've talked to Music different cat but like in a good way he. He was just very average last year and this year. He's been sensational. So you just you have to make sure if you're going to draft him that you have a job Radi it's GonNa Bring the best out of him. I love his pocket presence. I think he's as good as you're gonNA find in the college game In terms of just feeling like outside Russian climbing the ladder the inside rush sidestepping. It is rose on the same plane. Accurate on on-time everything that you look for but it's it's just one year then so there's a little bit of concern with that But again it if if Cincinnati takes them at one overall I wouldn't have an issue with it at all I just I just think chasing is wanted like he's one of those decades type players at the defensive grand coalition. Yeah I'm there with you and and I would probably look at keeping Andy Dalton for another year. I don't think Andy Dalton is you know the the demise of the Bengals I I think the the bengals are the demise of the Bengals and Dalton to me is is still at a decent band aid quarterback right now. He's still what in his early thirties. So I might do that. If I was gonNA take chase young I know what I'm getting with Chase Young I. I'm right there with you. You know. It's like Bozo. I feel like I know what I'm getting. There's always that possibility of I did miss out on my franchise quarterback and you know Cincinnati would have to roll the dice on that. Yeah we say that every year and Lamar Jackson was the fifth quarterback taken in that amazing group. Yeah and now. He's having a year that he's having and and maybe it won't and at the end of last season. No one thought that he was going to be the guy that he is this year. And so the quarterback I mean they're they're it's the hardest position listen to evaluate in sports. I'm convinced question ordering I actually get you because we think we now know what the criteria we now know what it takes to play that position. When I watched Lamar Jackson Louisville? I just know that he had a great offensive. Mind with Bobby Pacino. He could he could. He could do what he needed to do when he needed to do it. And then the knock was well. But he's playing at Louisville Okay and then it was well but he's more of a runner than a passer. Okay we get caught up in. How does he look in? The pocket. Never Cuyler Murray. I wouldn't take I. I said I would take a number one you know and I think he's had a pretty good year and probably bleep lived up to the number one pick. I don't know but we get caught up in. These are the negatives I want to know what your positives are. And then how do I build on that. I want to take Cam Newton route and so we can be Cam Newton. I WANNA take Lamar Jackson. So he can be Lamar Jackson. We tend to put them into our system. You gotta be this guy in this system and I think that's where a lot of these. These teams make mistakes. This is the thing that I've learned the most probably in the last three years is it's we can. It doesn't take a super scout to figure out that Lamar Jackson a phenomenal athlete and can be a really good player. It doesn't take super scout to figure out the SAN dorms really talented but the issue shoe is always when they get to the NFL. Who are they paired up with? Who was coaching them? And even if you go back and and talk to John Harbaugh and the difference from year one year two with Lamar that that's been the whole thing. They realize you know we can't do it our way. Let's do it his way and his boy may work and it has worked and the same thing with Bill O'Brien into Shawn Watts. The like they changed changed the verbiage make it faster. Let's get quicker. The NFL is is trickling up. I guess if if you will from the college level the college is becoming the NFL game and NFL coaches are having to figure out. We can't do it the old way you know we don't the Eli Manning's things. Unfortunately is phenomenal. He was in the Super Bowl and everything else like. That's not gonNa work for very long. We need a mobile quarterback. We need to play fast. We need need to play different. It's a different game now and I think you're seeing that in terms of the evaluation process as well. He's Todd mcshay. ESPN NFL draft analyst of more questions about or just in Herbert well to to. I don't want to say simple. The two of you make the football evaluation and then you have to rely on the medical and it's so frustrating because he's such a good player and I don't know if you've spent any time with him. Yeah he's an even better dude. I mean this guy. He loves the game. He does everything the right way. He loves his family. Shit he's he's everything that you want in a son if you will But now you got to ankle injuries. You've got a knee the injury and most importantly the hip injury and he. He's not gonNA be able to walk for almost two and a half more months so you you just don't know it's going to start the combine medical and then it'll be the combine recheck which is usually the first week in April and then every team that has any interest in the first fifteen twenty picks is is going to send their whole medical staff out there and evaluate them but I think from a football standpoint he would be the first overall pick in this draft. The bengals would take them that. Would it'd be my my opinion if he was healthy if he was completely healthy but it just it really comes down to where he is not only for year one in terms of the recovery. But is this something and I've heard different stories from different medical people but is is this something that's going it'd be reactivated and become a career problem. Where three or four years down the road? We you know we lost the guy that we spent the number one overall pick on so that that that one's trickier Justin herber is more of A. He's the the football valuation is the tough part. Because he's he's big strong he can run. He has a big time arm. He's a lot like Josh Allen with the bills. When Josh was coming out Wyoming He's very smart but he's very introverted. He's Kinda the opposite of what you think of when a quarterback walks into the room and I think. NFL teams are going in a struggle with that any other quarterbacks dip it into the top First Round Jake from is the smartest quarterback. I've been around a long time on Georgia quarterback he has physical limitations but he. He's the type of guy that overcomes it Jacob easson needs another year. He was the the well he wants to start her. And then and then he got injured from beat a mode of Georgia and then transferred to Washington Eastern probably if if he decides Komo early. He's the most physically gifted quarterback in this class in terms of pure talent. But I really think he needs another year Washington aside from Cincinnati. Miami who will definitely draft a quarterback who definitely The lions could. You know they're sitting right now like five. That range Jacksonville I wouldn't rule out where arline again the Carolinas do. What the what are the chargers GonNa do? What's going on with Jon Gruden and in color There are a lot of teams that they're interesting this year more so normal. I took the last few years. We've had more cornerbacks than we pat teams in the top ten have needed them I think I think the Broncos are happy with what they have but you never know Just going down the raiders. Pick again at sixteen the the buccaneers or are they are they happy James. Even though he's you know he's played well recently. But Teddy Bridgewater and Cam Newton where they end up if if they end up with another team and then how that affects the draft. No question but I I. The point is in the first sixteen. Eighteen picks there are about eight or nine teams. That potentially could have interest in quarterback is Washington sold on Dwayne Haskins Who are you asking the owner? Well the owner I know is but but but if I'm a coach I coach you get has got to be sold on him as well where he's not taken that job so I i. I've been holding back from calling urban this week wondering what what he was doing in the box I if the current structure I can't I couldn't allow a friend to take the job without saying now. If you get a new general manager wait wait are you. Are you the friend urban to tell him not to take this job. I'm just saying hypothetically okay. If any out there I would make the phone call and say make sure you got a football guy who's in between the owner and you and and you can completely run the football stuff you can make the decisions. I mean that that's the issue right now under the current construct Washington can't succeed. They need Daniel Snyder to take a step back. They need to hire a general manager that knows capone and can evaluate players and then they need a coach who can take those players and develop them. Would you rather coach Washington or Dallas Dallas. Yeah Yeah between those two. I'd rather coach Carolina. I think Dallas but you know I just rather coach any team in. I'd rather coach thirty one. Other Teams Shington in Washington right. Now don't sugar coat it. I won't okay todd great to talk to you and Merry Christmas and thanks for the mock draft all right there. That's todd mcshay. ESPN NFL draft analyst. There man that brutal not that you need a friend to step in and tell urban hey dear really want this and you do have some of your former players there but is that enough. The two questions I have if I was going to be a coach for a team. I want to know what my owners like being around him. Who EZE which is personality? How involved Izzy is he willing to go the extra mile you know? How important is winning to him? Is this his main business or is it a side business here and then I want to know who my my quarterback is. I would start in in that order because if I have an owner who is going to listen to me. I feel like he understands football because there are times when you've been in situations before in and people in this business where I go. I don't think that person should be in that position and I think you have an owner. Who shouldn't be involved in it? Who is that would make me really nervous? Because I can have a quarterback that I may not be all in on but the owner is the constant there. The quarterback is interchangeable angel. The owner is not take a break. Last call for phone calls close up shop after this this summer. There's only one trusted place that lets you get in on all your favorite sports betting action Shen that online dot. Ag Sign up today for a free account at Bet online dot ag and use Promo Code. podcast one for your fifty percent off. 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Have that for you coming up in emotional moment moments ago. fritzy gave Paulie Christmas gift and it was a t shirt that I believe. Paulie has the t shirt already but it was a nice gesture you got that from. I had asked him once a while back like his favorite color was and what his size was and he was like you know what is that all about and there was no other way rather than that. I just needed to make the right size and the right to t-shirt from point break and it's Garry Byu see what's the line he says Johnny Utah. Utah get me too. And he's going to pick hiccup like hotdogs meatball sandwiches and he always refers to that movie and that specific line so I thought it would be cute. It was nice but we. We didn't get gifts guys much. Okay but now Poli has not of course I do. I have to reciprocate if not I'LL BE VINCI comfortably. It's best if he doesn't it's best to police. I agree. It's just it's a fun little. It's very nice. Very nice on your part yes. This is the greatest gift since my birthday seven years ago. Todd used a color printer to print out pictures of Walter. Payton and exactly how it happened. That was Christmas. I got a Mickey Mantle. I don't understand. That gift was very thoughtful. No no wasn't actually it. It wasn't until you guys a nice. Oh you just realizing that. It's a nice shirt ago Berry. New York joins US Highbury. Woody we have for me today. Good Morning Dan. Five nine one eighty five thank you. I have a grievance to air I have to take up my grammar. A police badge These so-called professional sports casters Who say verse instead of versus the Second Baseman? When it's already plural drives me crazy? Thank you very the danettes aired their grievances last. Yes we just had. We just did a deep dive yesterday. ooh into why people say this was an historic event. Yeah instead of a historic. KB NORTH CAROLINA KB. You got a grievance yes I do I cannot stand when players interviews interviews or press conferences. Say at the end of the day her everything they say that in it is what it is those are the they it is what it is drives me crazy but thank you Katie. Yes he you know it used to drive me crazy and I heard it this morning and it took me right back to when I first started working in sports and Golic and Wingo so this maybe okay somebody. When when I first started in sports talk radio every single segment eventually eventually ended with gun to your head? Who are you taking? No no no gun to your head gun to your head. Are you taking Chita Right now. Gun to your head or you take a gun to your head. Is it coming back. I really hope that doesn't make a comeback back. Because I remember sitting there and I was new and just thinking why do I need to have a gun to my head figure which shortstop I like why is it. That's a gun to your head gun to your head you're telling me Marino over elway gun to your head like okay. Yes why do I have to have a gun to my head. This Day in Sports History Paul Nineteen eighty-four Wayne Gretzky Ski Twenty. Three years old became the eighteenth player. NHL History to score more than a thousand points. He did it in his four hundred and twenty four th game. He broke the record of gala floor. Who did it in seven hundred twenty twenty games? And that's how good early Gretzky was. Nineteen ninety. Bo Jackson of the raiders. We can the first athlete chosen for All Star Games into sports. And he's a bad one. Nine thousand nine nine Orlando Brown. Tackle for the browns with the check for game for pushing referee jeff tripled to the ground. Triplet had accidentally hit Brown in the eye with a weighted penalty flag. Just before that and didn't lucite in that I he he actually sued and got a settlement and his son is playing in the NFL. mclovin for the Roy. He's at right tackle right tackle. He's really really good. Yeah Zeus was his name right was he out of Oklahoma his son was I see. I don't I don't know about Ah Dad. 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Pitt Ray Liotta Paulie one of your favorites course Keith Richards ty Cobb Steven Spielberg pretty good. Pretty good day there. I might have the most hall of famers though on my birthday birthday. Then we'd TAB tabulate that with Emmett Smith John smoltz George Brat I think I had like four or five hall of famers born on May may fifteenth. But I didn't have Brett Farve same day same year without todd. What did I learn on today's program David wanting to play baseball hitting the math playing catch with him? As a youth. We went to basketball. That we rough you up a little bit a little bit. That's right. Tell me more about your son. Go into Syria. Frogs Roxanne brought to you by truecard. Shows you what other people paid for the car you want. So when you're ready to buy or sell your next car visit Truecar who's on the show tomorrow Kawais during the season of giving we'd like to offer you a little something special and all we're asking in return turn is a few moments of your time. 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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 3 - Todd McShay (03-01-19)

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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 3 - Todd McShay (03-01-19)

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And we have a meet madness coming up in the month of March as we head towards the final four in Minneapolis. Like get in touch with the program. You can eat seven seven three DP show, Email address DP, Dan, Patrick dot com. Twitter handle at DP show. Got a poll question today. Mclovin. And the results so far did you change it up? So we went with who do you want to see in the Monday night football booth, and we put real candidates not Atlantis one. So the choice are Tony Romo Nate Burleson Louis Riddick. Greg olsen. Joe Thomas or Kurt Warner too early leaders. Kurt Warner one Tony Romo to then. Joe thomas? No. You can't put Tony Romo in there. Oh, he's not eligible. Well, how long is this deal? TV? What are you thinking? He's he's firmly. Cemented at CBS. Okay. So we're going to go only with real possible names. Okay. Yes. Yeah. Tony romo's. Not a possibility. Kurt Warner Greg Olsen nape. Burleson Louis Riddick. Don't put Peyton Manning in there. Because Peyton would be probably the overwhelming. What do you hear about that any chance at they'll have a get him into the booth? I know there've been efforts by plenty of network. I think time commitment, you know, the problem is that ESPN it's never just that job. It's always Jason Witten would do the game on Monday night, but he would be on get up in the morning or he'd be on the radio show. And and so it's it's far more than just, hey, good. Just go do your job. And I think that that can scare some people like Peyton Manning away. Like what's the time commitment here and Peyton would commit to doing a great job. It's the other ancillary stuff that probably would dry. Have you way? Yeah. Fritzy pains Omaha Omaha kill kill that's going to get very distracting in the booth. That's not going to last very long. Lexical audibly. He does he does seem spent explaining the audible to the he may just go back into quarterback mode and start yelling. Oh, mama about we audible to another top. Because all righty here. Some more meat Friday songs coming up. Also, I'm hearing from a lot of folks. And look I understand your frustration. Because we couldn't come to an agreement with the NBC sports network. All right. But trust me, we have other options here were exploring those. We're going to be the the company just merged that Time Warner merger just became official three days ago. Okay. So we were on audience channel two thirty nine. Direct TV were on satellite radio channel to eleven were three hundred sixty radio stations regional sports networks as well. We have some other things Bleacher report be our live. So there there will be more of an opportunity for you to be able to watch the show as well. Or listen to the show. So trust me, you know, you're in good hands here. Yes. Yes. This weekend were hit a few houses in the Tri state area doing live shows for door to door. Yeah. Yeah. Keep it real. I got my daughter in Los Angeles complaining dad, where are you? And I. Go I'm on the air. And she goes no on TV. And I said I. All explain it to you later. Okay. So even my kids gave her the TS. Yeah. Fifteen minutes ago. She was dad where are you? I'm I'm I'm on the I'm doing this show. Yeah. Pulling the bad thing is my mom did not ask where the show was today that. Oh, I didn't say thing. He's still having trouble finding I still have people go. Hey, I'll be watching Sunday night during the football season. I go all writing. Hey, I love Sunday night. I go. All right. Didn't do it the entire season somehow Mike tirico slipped in there. And they didn't they thought that we look alike. Yeah. I love I love you on Sunday night football. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. Hey, I love. I love you own sportscenter haven't been there in twelve years. The second Cuyler Murray measured at five feet ten at the scouting. Combine you could hear keyboards clattering all across Indianapolis at the scouting combine getting out there new mock drafts. And apparently people more comfortable putting him number one overall. Now, keep in mind last year at six feet tall just over six feet tall. People had a big problem with Baker Mayfield junior the third being the number one overall pick he's two inches taller than Kyla Mer. And now we go. Yeah. Five ten he can be the number one pick overall. And Murray's rise follows a familiar formula quarterbacks start out towards the end of the first round or even the second round. Then the weeks leading up to the draft. They then move up. You know, it happened with your golf Carson Wentz. Patrick Mahomes to Shawn Watson, you know, Murray may not be the only quarterback to have a meteoric rise this draft season. So that's something to keep an eye on. And I did mention this yesterday sometimes you peak too early, and you have these great expectations these high expectations in then if his pro days, not great or he doesn't run the forty does run the forty maybe runs it at four four and doesn't run it where we thought it was going to be blinding speed. So the there's there's a few things that can happen in. It's always the quarterback that either rises or falls, but you will have one of these quarterbacks that sort of their lingering down at the bottom of the first round, and they could jump up because teams never tell you the truth now, Arizona's not telling you the truth about what they think about Cuyler Murray and probably just Josh Rosen. The raiders aren't going to tell you the truth. Like, why would you? You have more than fifty days before the draft. Why why would anybody tell anybody, you know, something correct? That's why I always rely on my sources and one who is a scout. Because he has no agenda here. He'll just say this is what I see. I don't know what you know, these teams are doing, but then he'll talk to other scouts. And then he'll gather information. If I say, hey, here's a guy. I'm really interested in and then, you know, either he's breaking them down broke them down or somebody else did. And then he can get a sense of what somebody likes because scouts will go back and then say too their GM or coach or both. Now love this kid or man, I had a problem with this. Well, this is an issue. Here's what I'm hearing. And teams do have investigators. They will have people who and why wouldn't you? You're you're going to invest whatever thirty million dollars in the number one overall pick for a signing bonus. Why wouldn't you invest in that? Why wouldn't you do a background check on? I would. Now. And that's what teams do. Already. Here's another thing that we were thinking of who had the best month in who had the worst month. Now sports figure who had the best month month of February who had the best month. Now, you could have said somebody from the patriots Tom Brady had a great month in the month of February. He just kind of piled onto what he's already doing. That's a great month. Very started off on our show early in the month. Like february. I it didn't go. Well, not a good start. No. And but look where he is today. Measuring five ten five ten I do. I don't know. What else sees he hasn't done anything though, measured at five ten at a I wouldn't say a month ago. He was the hands down number one quarterback pick in the draft us thirty days ago. It's fair to say he was not even eligible to play in the draft. Yeah. We didn't even know he was going to commit to football hot month. Yeah. So he he's had a good month. He had a good month. I don't think I don't know if there's a great month yet just funny too. Because if I went to the doctor today, and they measured me, and I was five ten that'd be so pissed. Yeah. You'd have to be like oh, come on seriously. Well, when I'm as you got measured on I was six to in for years. I was six three, but know that was a bad day. Like, are you kidding me? Six two. Let me see who else Robert Kraft had a good start to the month. And then a bad finish to the month. The bad ending that would be a bad end the opposite of happy. Bryce harper. I guess Bryce Harper had a good month. When you say out of everybody did Bryce Harper had the best month of everybody. Mclovin. New took forever to fisa delays fourteenth at average salary and he's going to Philadelphia for thirteen years. I had a great month offers coming to Philadelphia. But I didn't I didn't think that was the best free agency period anyone's ever had. It was kind of a melodramatic Jason Witten is that a good month? Police says yes, I say either play for the Cowboys don't is going gonna pick on you. You can't he's gotta catch fifty five balls and don't know who's going to pick on you defenses. He's going to take less really heard. No, he's gonna take a beating in two thousand nineteen guaranteed. Oh, figure that would be. That would be an interesting poll question. Lebron had a bad month. Yes. He has LeBron's had a bad month. Yeah. Celtics about a bad. They've had a bad month. Yes. Mclovin. By Jason Witten. People are saying this delays hall of fame. I bowed hall Famer right fourth all time in cats. I'm guessing you said he was all fair when he retired thing. Yeah. I don't know if it's first ballot. But now you have to reset the clock because didn't parse do this when he came back, and then you had to reset the hall of fame clock. Absolutely. We were also curious about is there a way for Robert Kraft to get out of this. Is there a possibility because we were wondering why did police pull over his Bentley after he left the spa the massage? Parlor like did he run a stop light was he speeding? They were all they did is pull him over just to him. Are you allowed to do that? Do you have proof? And so we checked with Michael mcken who's the legal expert at Sports Illustrated. And he said that we don't know enough about the situation that led to the traffic. Stop wasn't a checkpoint. Did his driver go over the speed limit or not fully stop at a stop sign? Everything that I've heard is it's not difficult for a cop to have a valid reason to pull somebody over. We also talked about you know, what proof. Do you have to have to prove that somebody is soliciting prostitution? Michael McCann says that the relevant Florida statute. And he even gives it to you seven nine six dot O seven does not technically require solicitation for a solicitation crime to have occurred. As worded the statute also prohibits a person from inducing enticing or procuring another person into a sexual act craft. Ben did not have to ask for sex in order to have violated the law, his conduct in light of the circumstances could have been considered inducement enticement or procurement. Michael McCann goes on to right second. Robert Kraft is allegedly shown on video paying the woman with a one hundred dollar Bill and another Bill after the sexual act occurred. He did so allegedly after already paying a separate amount at the spas front desk for a massage this depiction. Suggests there was an exchange of money for sex third. The depiction of the video from the second day January. Twentieth. Indicates that no massage took place. The woman described in the police narrative hugged craft after craft removed his clothes placed himself on the massage table. The woman began to rub him. This depiction indicates that payment was for the sexual act. In addition craft is accused of going back to the spot for a second day of craft had been shocked or upset by these sexual act in the first place. The first time he presumably would not have returned the second day. So we were curious was it entrapment. Can you argue that it was in treatment? Michael McKean also goes on to say that Robert Kraft. It wouldn't be surprising if his attorney negotiated a plea deal to bypass the need for court hearings. And he said craft is the first time non violent offender may be eligible for Florida's pretrial misdemeanor diversion program. If he participates in the program, he would acknowledge responsibility for his acts make restitution through paying a fine and or performing community service if craft complied with the terms of the diversion program, the charges against him would be dismissed, and he would not have a criminal record. He would still face punishment from the NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell. So just something keep in mind because it feels like that was a long time ago with Robert Kraft that was a week ago. And here we are. You know, he wants a trial without a jury. But is there a way that Robert Kraft said, you know, we were just wondering what what is Robert Kraft's attorney do which the approach can you say there was in treatment you pulled him over, and I'm gonna guess attorneys, plural. Not one attorney, but can you somehow get out of this? Yes polling. I was just thinking this case from what you read about is about a sting about prostitution and other things I wonder how much resources they have to prosecute a misdemeanor of Robert Kraft because of his lawyers decide to put their full weight behind it. They could stretch this out and eventually get the charges dropped or a diversion program. And if he's if the charges are dropped wouldn't be much tougher for the NFL to suspend him. Well, dropped dropped. Well, eventually dropped. Yes. But there's a long time till the season starts. Yeah. He can't be suspended from golfing. And I I don't know. He's still going to have that public embarrassment is going to stay with him the rest of his life, and he's a very public figure because that's something that you can't plea away or pay for, you know, a fine or suspension. Yeah. Mclovin. But the NFL will suspend you if you're not charged for a crime or acquitted, right? They always jump in with a suspension. Like, I don't think Elliott was ever was Zeke Elliott ever charged. No, yes. So they they try and they have a history of circumventing. What actually happens legally would say criticized a lot for. Yeah. Just I I'm not sure if you can say there's entrapment I just wanna know why police pulled over his car because if you're going to let's say fifty of these guys were found guilty of this misdemeanors. We might we might take note of it for a day. Right. But this is Robert Kraft. So because you had a name, and I know Adam Schefter said that he's not the biggest name. And then we haven't heard another name since then, but Robert Kraft brought attention to this. And that's where if his attorneys can argue now, I didn't know if they have to catch you audibly on tape saying that you want something and Michael McCain, the attorney for Sports Illustrated said though, that's not the case. And that if you're handing somebody a one hundred dollar Bill after you've already paid upfront, then that that solicitation so just wanted to kind of. See if there was anything else here that involving the stories we move forward. Let's segue to meet Friday song Satan, somehow that smooth segue with meet Friday presented by traeger. All right. Let's go see what we can do here. Yeah. Do you want to take a break? Now. Let's go. Okay. Oh, Corey and Tampa. All right. You know, what maybe? Here. Hold on. Purpose. Let's let's let's take a break. We didn't make a segue. To guys smoke are koneohe. Do let's let's take a break here. Awkward genius rank. 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And I got mock headline all right? Hopefully, be end doesn't make the same steak hiring. Greg Olsen stray off the field. When they have a ton of experience. I mean, Steve Young brothers hassle. Back. Charles woodson. They got ton of people were capable for position. I just hope they don't screw up again. All right. Well, thank you both. You know, I think sometimes ESPN's been guilty of overthinking something. But if you can you know, I hope booger McFarland stays in that position this time let him in from outside put him in the booth. And but but I I don't know what their thought processes what the game plan is. But you're going to have I I would say Kurt Warner would be the lead candidate in my opinion because he lost out to Jason Witten. Joe Thomas would be Dr course, I don't know of Olson's gonna play I've been told an hour and a half ago that Olson was probably going to go back and play. Do we have a couple more meet Friday songs, we did have one? But I I needed separate the Robert. Raft story with the meet Friday song. So we've done so with our commercials, and here we go. All right. Well, here we'll go to a new one. Then here's Nick in Wisconsin. Pour off. Vixen wondering if it well this. Movin. The king. Cook it. Just the way you won't Smith. So good. Tickets. All right. Me too. Right. D'esposito discipline meat. Okay. But what was the song that we played prior to the commercial break? Oh, Korean Tampa. Yeah. All right here. I'll remember this chew for as long as. Like this. Be. Indo mouth is kidding. Couple more meat Fridays songs coming up. He's Todd mcshay NFL draft college football analyst ESPN is comprehensive coverage from the NFL scouting combine highlighted by two hour special on ABC, featuring live action from the quarterback and wide receiver workouts. Trey wingo will host NFL live and he'll scouting combine on Saturday. More second and one eastern Todd mcshay Louis Riddick Chris Mortenson, Adam Schefter will be on hand. And Todd joins us from the scouting combine. Good morning Todd. How are you? Doing. Well. How's it going? Everything's good. It's a meet Friday. I've got a trigger girl myself. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Actually, I love it. What's your go-to on the traeger grill? Tomahawk steaks. All right. Like a right. Well done. Yeah. I that's all I wanted to talk to you about Todd. Thanks for calling in. Okay. Hi. Did did Indianapolis the collective NFL heads there explode when Cuyler Murray measured at five ten yesterday a little over five ten. I can't. Can't talk about it anymore. I really. It's unbelievable for okay. What if he was five nine and seven eighths? No, no difference in my mind. I mean, I I think people were worried maybe five five eight now gonna be five eight. Yeah. But what's the difference? I mean, this point the games changed. And I you know, we don't have to go into all of it. But more spread out them in the last ten years. We've never seen quarterbacks. Run more throw from outside the pocket more. And in the we've seen in the last few years of quarterbacks were six foot and shorter. Or actually haven't fewer balls batted down percentage wise, then guys were six one and taller. So you know as long as he's in the right system and utilize properly. I really I think he's gonna be dynamic toymaker difference maker. And I think he's going to have a really good career. Yeah. I'm right there. I I've been sitting in first class on the a window seat with Cuyler Murray. Even though I went through the painful interview with him. That's my big question about him. I I wanna know who he is a person that you know, I saw the tape. I don't care. How is forty is? I saw were some scout was questioning the velocity. I said Todd are taught. I I was saying these guys we stood next to him as he threw a twenty yard ball to mclovin and it had as much zip as any NFL quarterback. We've had on our show in previous Super Bowls except for Aaron Rodgers. There was no doubt there zip outing. Yeah. Yeah. He's arm. Arm. Strength is a crazy place to go with him. He has plenty of arm. He's get hooked. She's he's a lot more accurate, and as a lot better timing as a passer, then people want to give them credit for I do agree. I think the one thing he's the opposite of of Baker Mayfield. He's kind of quiet to himself. Yeah. Some people who've been around him don't don't necessarily love them people who have spent a lot of time with them and worked with them and guys in that building. They they love his poise poison the way he handles himself and how he's not phased by things out competitive is I think he's a little bit of an acquired taste. I saw that interview that wasn't too. And I was I started at work. I also don't think he had very good advice. And I don't know what the world he was doing outside of making some money going to the Super Bowl and doing all those interviews when he didn't have an answer to what he was doing it. So yeah, it was that was awkward, but I've from everyone I've talked to that's been around him. From a football standpoint think he's absolutely has the intelligence to pick things up, but he's not gonna be your row leader. Like Baker Mayfield. If you're Aaron Jona. What are you doing? I gotta know what cliff once I you know, if put thinks he and it's so important to be in line with your at coach on this. See the problem. Cliffs either gonna have to Justice system to the NFL little bit by putting in more protections and ways for the quarterback to protect himself. If Josh Rosen is his quarterback because you can't you can't max out at six men protections. You can't you know, but run that system the way he has run it in college with a quarterback. If has has a history of injury is not that, you know, big and sick and it his trouble saying on the field. Now, if you have a guy like Tyler who can bail bail you out when protection breaks down or when you're in the right place for the defense. That's where I think the fit is better. And he's also a little bit more of a point guard a guy who can get the ball quickly and work with the tempo the cliff likes to work with so the fit I understand. But it seems I don't seems farfetched to me that they're going to all of a sudden make this huge deal to trade a guy that came in. And yeah, he didn't play great. But he had. Thing around in last year, and he was a top ten pick. And just about everyone. I know has great higher or equal to what you would have on Kyla Murray. So it's it's an interesting situation certainly makes for good television and talk, but I I just by guess is at the end of the day. My hunch is that they're going to stick with Rosen and move forward. But I think if you're bringing in Kingsbury, you're bringing in a whole different offensive loss iffy. And and does Josh Rosen. Somehow can you make that fit into what Kingsbury wants to do? I think you can I think, you know, it's gonna it's gonna work both ways. And I think Kingsbury I mean, if you look at all the quarterbacks he's had they haven't always been mobile. I mean that Texas Tech system hasn't always been, you know, built for mobile quarterbacks look at Kingsbury himself. But I think what it does is it provides it provides that extra layer of protection. If if you're able to get out of the situation by running and Rosen can't I mean Rosen's two biggest issues are he's not he's not overly mobile, and he's at trouble saying healthy other than that. He's you know, he's exceptional is a passer. He's the best pure passer vet group year ago. So I I think it can work. But I the only reason I'm going down there mentally down that road, mentally is because I think Tyler is a better fit for what Kingsbury is always done compared to roast how many quarterbacks by gave you over under three and a half first round. I'd take under take under. But I if I think it'll be three I think I think drew lock from zuri winds up getting interest because it's quarterbacks. Daniel Jones is not is not what everyone's thinking is. I think he's more of a third round or backup in the week. I see the intelligence and all that. But you started his tape. Do he's he he's very average. He's just very average. Everything's a short throw is inconsistent with his accuracy don't throw the ball down the field a lot. He I'll give him credit. He's tough as nails when he takes off running. He's he's surprisingly speed. But he's not very, you know, twitchy and agile in the pocket. So he takes a lot of hits and his offense was terrible. But he he takes a lot of hits to. And I don't know. I just I don't see the fourth guy know did from Auburn has talent. And I think if utilized properly unlike what happened at Auburn, I think he can have success. In the league, but he's a developmental project. So to me, it's it's kinda Murray Dwayne Haskins. And I think I think through because of the quarterback position will wind up going in the first round somewhere who's your favorite player that in five years. You'll say I told you so. Ooh. That's a good question. I think marquees Brown is the wide receiver from Oklahoma is a special unique difference maker. I know he's in a boot right now. I know he has the injury. I know he's only a hundred sixty six pounds, and it's going to be an issue throughout his career. But when that dude is on the field. I I haven't seen many guys like him in terms of place speed. I mean, I think the Sean Jackson is the perfect comparison in terms of NFL guys, and what he can be when when when they're both healthy, you know, the ability to create after the catch and then get vertical you can handle the ball off. There's so many different ways, you could burn you. And he's in today's NFL his ability to get open so quickly. I just think he's gonna be special. The reaction in Indianapolis when Jason Witten decided to leave the booth. Shock. You know, I don't even know how much say here. But I know I was standing next to Adam Schefter when he was on on TV. I was with a whole lot of people from from this company. And there wasn't one person. I was with had any idea that it was going to happen. Now, I get it. I understand that. It was a frustrating year for him. But I never even worked with them at the national championship game. I worked with the Monday night crew at the national championship game on that mega cast the whole night. And never I mean, not that he was the first time we've met so not that he would give me any indication. But it seemed like he was very much into the broadcast gig. And and was was really intelligent just talking football with him. He really really understood more than I think people probably got from watching the broadcast at times. But, but I think you got frustrated I think he how much though Todd is that social media shoot him up as an analyst. Was he looking for an escape around. Yeah. Legitimately think it's part of it. Yeah. I, but I also do you know, and I've talked to people now who have been around him and in there he was looking at the possibility of going back to the Cowboys in the middle middle of the last year. So I think it he never quite fully mentally gave it up. I think part of the reason he left because he thought, hey, I'm never gonna how am I gonna get this opportunity again, Monday night football, you know, but I I don't think he closed the door, mentally, even though he tried to talk himself into it. So if I do think the social media part was a significant factor, and I think that season when great and he got the kind of reaction that Romo got or even just normal reaction. I think I think he'd still be back Monday night football. It's interesting now because I'm wondering about Greg Olsen. I was told by somebody who's familiar with with Olsen situation that he thought Olson was going back to. The Panthers and not gonna put himself out on the market there for FOX or ESPN. What are you hearing about Greg Olsen? I've heard nothing to be honest with you. I really haven't. Yeah. I'm more focused on offense. If I'm running sub second forties right now. Furling I need. I need some new jargon. Because you guys come up with you know, waste bender. And all this stuff. We we heard lower body twitch from Daniel, Jeremiah, do you got a got another one here we can keep an eye on here with the combine and the draft when you're watching defensive backs on Monday, and you're watching them turn and open their, you know, put up. Yeah. Hips oily. Have you go to jiffy lube and get oily hips? I think they're I like Todd have fun this weekend. And we appreciate your time. As always, of course soon, but that's Todd mcshay, the mothership and the got the NFL scouting. Combine trae hang WinCo will host. It'll be Saturday March second at one eastern. It's a two hour special on ABC's. She got Adam Schefter. Chris Mortenson Louis Riddick and Todd mcshay oily hip, yet checking our records oily hips got a little play last year. It's kind of that turn as you go field when you're facing towards the lines going back. That guy's got oil hips that means he could make a great turn. But somebody had to come up with this usually make no, but but don't you think about this where somebody comes up with a funny word, or an expression? And then you go who came up with that it has to go back to somebody who came up with the first person to tell a joke. Yeah. Yeah. Because somebody will say, you know, something in although have a phrase, you know, somebody came up with oil hips. Yes. For started in Jupiter, Florida while we know. And I saw this. When did you? I did I saw you kill the Mike. I saw you put it on the T, and I go, no, he's not going to team up with the phrase, captain obvious. We came up with captain obvious. And then they started those commercials with a captain obvious. Yes. We invented that. Yes. That's right. That's right. Yes. We do legal came up with that. I have a list of Mike Mayock 'isms that are generally credited him, you know, heavy legged waste bender. Downhill thumper road grader, the Lyman who's great on rushing. 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Also, saw this note from Tim cowlishaw, not sure why people are upset about Bryce Harper's contract. Look at the breakdowns when Harper is thirty two in twenty twenty-five he'll make twenty six million dollars. How many players will be making more fifty question. Mark five question. More one hundred question more. I don't think it'd be one hundred but. Jeff passan than tweeted contract breakdown for Bryce Harper's deal with the Phillies. Now, I didn't had anything to that said ten million plus twenty million dollars signing bonus. Is that for this year? It gets ten million and a twenty million dollar signing bonus. Yes. His base salary. This year is twenty on. That's what it's looked at that. And then it goes to twenty five year after this. But then the bonus makes it twenty seven million in actual pay this year. What's the most? He'll make an season. Does he make over thirty in any of these seasons? Because I think it averages around twenty five twenty six million for for twenty seven million is is the most one thing that doesn't have is that there's any incentives. They have been released to the websites who put together the contracts. You got another meet Friday song, Dan. All right here, we go. Let's see we could go to this. One sounds really nice. This is a cover of from the buddy Glen fry. This is Scott in DC. On the heat. Pretty good. Really good. Pretty good. Yeah. Paulie, any chance are great, buddy. Glen, fry recipe that was the last recording. He did before. No. It's not Glenn. From sounds good. Yeah. Sounds really good for once. You learn today. ESPN's Todd mcshea simply can't talk about Kyle measurements anymore. Mclovin. Tab and shea trae gu-guy, paulie wooded. You. Learn Glenn fry recorded the meat is on. No. He did. He did not do that seat. No sorry. I learned Scott in Tennessee. You're so close to getting your song on buddy. But we ran out of. All right. 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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 3 - Todd McShay (04-26-19)

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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 3 - Todd McShay (04-26-19)

"Thank you for listening to this podcast one sports net. Production available on apple podcasts and podcast. One. Raise your hand if you like saving do saving money. Join me Susan HOGAN on new sports five our NBC. Four response unit is protecting you from scams ripoffs dangerous products. We've already recovered more than million dollars. You're mainly here. Susan's got your wallet covered Wendy Rieger. And I will get you up to speed shame on top of constantly changing headlines. And what they mean for you before always keeping you a head of whether changes, join me does camera or and the rest of us on news Ford, five working for you. Hey shaggy now that the NBA also we can is over. It's time for the second half of the season to get underway. 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I just saw where Josh Rosen has decided to unfought the car dose on his Twitter page already eight seven seven three DP show, Email address teepee, Dan, Patrick dot com. There are a couple of things that stood out. I wasn't surprised at the top of the draft with Cuyler Murray. I was surprised with the raiders I didn't think the raiders controlled the first round. Like, you would think a team would with three first round picks. I thought that their first pick was reach. Cleland feral. I thought the giants had six even though I'm not sold on Daniel Jones. They did like that quarterback. That's who they wanted. They didn't want to take take a chance on losing him. So they went and got him. My only question, and we'll talk to Todd mcshay about it is who else wanted Daniel Jones that high. Let's say in the first fifteen picks because Washington I believe was locked in on Dwayne Haskins the whole time. Oh, can we play Dwayne Haskins because Haskins didn't sound like a guy who was thrilled to go to Washington as much as he wanted to send a message to all those teams that passed on him to be honest. I'm more motivated and never. Bigger tip from our Soter lead a messed up and less by my family, my down the street. So we won't do it. Right. This time. So crazy. Okay. The league didn't mess up. One. Team messed up the giants. Nobody else drafted a quarterback. Less. He thinks you know, why didn't Miami or Denver draft a quarterback. They had other needs there. But the giants drafted a quarterback. You have a problem take it out with him in the NFC east, and you can do that over the next decade, and that even adds a little bit more spice to this that you got the annual Jones the parent to ally manning and going against Dwayne Haskins, many many many years. Yes polling. I know the draft isn't over yet. But were you a little surprised that the Oakland Raiders used none of their first three picks on a quarterback because it appears that they're sticking with Derek Carr. Of course, they'll start the draft tonight. And they'll take drew lock and I'll eat this. I thought that they were going to. I thought that they liked Wayne Haskins Dwayne Haskins said the best interview he had was with the raiders. And I thought that Dwayne Haskins might have been might have been a pick at some point with the raiders. Yeah. Mclovin. Cleveland Farrell was on draft Twitter was the biggest shocker in recent drafts. People were shocked backdraft he was little bit. Does that mean anything bigger surprise than Daniel Jones yet clear? Pharrell blue people because every mock draft had him between fifteen and thirty. He didn't run at the combine people didn't have a forty time on him. But I see Clemson plan. I've seen him destroy a lot of quarterback. So I Don, but it felt like there everybody on clemson's defensive line was destroying people know someone how do we know who gets the credit for that? I it's like Alabama, by the way, I was relieved. I thought the Bengals we're gonna look at quarterback at eleven because join ask is in state know, when they took John Williams eighth chime in the last nine years, the SEC led all conferences in players selected in the first round they had nine. ACC seven big ten seven three for the big twelve and three for the Pac twelve the only year since twenty eleven the SEC did not lead all conferences in first rounders 2015. That's when ACC and Pac twelve had seven each, but it was top heavy with defensive players defensive players again around two you're gonna have defensive backs defensive lineman. They're going to be front and center here. And that was the case certainly last night. Here is Cuyler Murray on being drafted by the Zona cartons. This is what I wanted to be. So. And finally be able to play for goes Kingsbury is something that you know, we've been talking about for four alongside and to to be here. Now, it's just I can't wait to get in the building started. I don't believe for a second. Kinda Mary didn't know he was go number one. Now, I know those are the reports. Now, you did have the networks who were told not to say anything don't spoil it. This is a TV event because Wendi nix from ESPN on her show leading up to the draft said that she had confirmation. The Cuyler Murray was going number one overall. Yeah. For now with the NFL also reach out to the specific, athletes and say, the camera could be on your any moment, please, you know, act like you have no idea or have a neutral face. We don't want a big smile or something that could tip off the viewers that I know we're about to get I don't I don't know if it's that. I I don't know if they'd say, hey, we need you guys now to act as Murray looked like he didn't know, he's a great actor. They showed him several times. And he looked like. He was just as interested as the rest of what's going to happen. He did not like you care to my questions at the Super Bowl. Maybe they told him to recreate that moment. Just say nothing act like Dan Patrick's asking you questions. That's it. That'll do it. No one. No one will think that you're going number one overall. Yes. Mclovin. So the GM Steve time didn't make any calls about Josh Rosen. I mean that to me seems like a fireball offense. If he knew is Kyla Murray for three months, which we presume does from the day how on earth can you not make calls Joshua? He waited until they had settled in on Kyla Murray. And then he started to make phone calls and text people. But now, he's got no bargaining power. When the mystery like before the draft you have bargaining power. That's that's what we did understand. I thought okay, you're playing a game here. Not a good game. Because you're taking Cuyler Murray in my opinion. But at least give give that presentation that you may keep Josh Rosen. You're not quite sure what's going to happen here instead of going. All right. We distracted Kyla Murray. Hey who wants Josh Rosen? How about a third round pick me. Why are you waiting? Yes. How much does that concern you as a cardinal's fan? That he waited until after the fact just that the idea that it appears that they didn't really know how to play the game. Well, Steve kind should understand that. And look if we have him on. I'm sure he'll have a reasoning behind this. But I would think leading up to it. You could say, you know, I don't care if I spoil the draft party, and people know that I've traded Josh Rosen. Therefore, we're drafting Cuyler Murray, you're running a business here, and you need to get all you can get because you're era Zona, and you're not very good. That's what's really surprising. And that was the tweet that came out that the GM wasn't entertaining offers prior to taking Cuyler Murray number one overall. I find that really surprising. Now, do I think that they did their due diligence with certain teams that might be interested because I know that sand the chargers the L LA chargers that they were interested, and they might still be that the dolphins were interested, and they might still be. And then the giants were a possibility as well. But. But other than that. I didn't hear any real chatter about Josh Rosen here. And that's why I thought you're going to try to drum up some what I needed was to teams bidding for Josh Rosen. That's all that I want if I'm Zona two teams that want him if not I'll take drew lock letting. Okay. I'll take drew lock. I'll take will Greer. All right. You can play hardball. All right. Good luck with that. Eight seven seven three DP show, Email address DP, Dan, Patrick dot com. Mentioned the Todd mcshay will join us coming up poll question. Mclovin. I would really like to help you here. But I suffered a severe risks injury during the last look in and I cannot click on the poll results we lowered the room not enough. These guys didn't know that I could lower it, and we could have done contest and not an aerial display. We were we started. What looked like some pretty impressive dunks? We didn't finish impressive dunks. Mclovin. Tried to done from the foul line. I took off from the foul line and landed right next to the foul. Yeah. Yeah. It didn't go. Well, I think Satan might have had one dunk a thunderous dunk. We missed quite a few edited together all the ones that we missed. Yeah. To all the ones we made a mean-spirited, TV fashion. They always do that. Yeah. Slanted journalism. Yeah. Wait, I'm looking at. Now, do I really run like that? All these shock. Which is worse watching yourself run or listen to yourself speak. Oh boy. I don't like watching myself run. It looks like I've just had a procedure in my mid section, and I can't really flex. I think singing I think singing's the one that usually that that'll orange you because some people think what most of us think. All right. I'm okay, you're pretty good. I know seat and gives you a hard time. But you have a good voice. Fritzy is an above average singer on weight. We re imitating Rick. Ashley is not singing. Well, but you have people who imitate other singers where you there when he saying Chrissy Teagan that was magical. I was absolutely there. It is funny though, when you hear it in your head. And then you hear it with years. You're like, whoa. That's that's the same thing that didn't sound like that in my head. Pretty okay. Even if he's imitating hall and Oates, he's still imitating one of the great singer. Okay. As good into. Okay. But there's talent in that your go to song is what? Probably private is or kiss on my list. Okay. So hone oats gives us a little taste here. Meet Friday you play with words you play with low. You can twist in round baby that in college girl. I'm gonna know if you're leading me. Landing. And son who's you can't escape. Want you this? He moved. Yeah. I think it's good that I thought Todd song his Goto song only because I hear him sing at thirty five thousand times a day is just like Rogie in. We. Slugging. Ganic loving ring cone down bring a cone. Now. Emergency Brickley cone down. No, he's got it over there. I gave him the garage door. Can I get one to? No, I wanted it to do it. So when Todd on the phone that he can lower the cone of silence and that way instead of me doing it that he can do it. And then he never told her never going to hear. Listen to this. Mean for Friday. This must be silent. So. Present. Toddler the best as one of the great ones. One of the great ones of all time tonight warriors at the clippers game six much as I love my clippers their ten point underdogs in this game against the warriors. I got the draft to watch tonight. I settled in last night. I was texting machine last night to you. Yes, you're flying. I think I got one text from mccloughan. And that was Daniel Jones to the giants. Paulie had a smattering Seton no-show, I think fritzy no show. Well, it was a little much like what happens when I. And then you I thought I was getting I know how you feel now when I'm bombard you guys. I'm like every twelve minutes. You got something to Texas. Matt source says this happen now, you said Montas sweat was falling. And he was falling. Yeah. Well, what happened just a medical? Carol. You you pretty much on everything. I was telling you I love with the Vikings. Did the got guy center an NC state? Oh, that's really gonna move the needle for us. You think respond to a center of draft. Pinot. Your Noah fan was going twenty two. It doesn't do anything. Bills jets interior d I know I did do that. I don't know. I just I it was just me the glasses tequila a cigar in a cat on my lap. That was it. That was my draft party last night. Nothing rejected country song. I didn't I didn't set out any invitation for my one point you sent a it's raining emoji. I I wasn't sure was raining. Rain right there that man. Pocket thing. No is raining in Nashville. What the hell is wrong with you guys? Watching the draft last night. Paulie was yeah. I was concerned about your emotional state because I had no idea why you're sending us could cloud with raindrops coming up could not least not to go. Didn't you watch the crowd where they raining there in the only TV event? That's I didn't get that. At all from watching it. I watched it it for three hours. Listen, I didn't get that. It was raining one bit. I thought you were like raining guesses as to what was going to happen next with the picks. Look how I'm on fire. I'm raining pick. I thought we knew each other. I'm looking back at these tax. All of us are taking the dumbest most useless things ever. I did I like all of us. Got it a little irrelevant stuff like allies bangs. Yeah. We we did that. I said it was an easy transition from allies banks to Daniel Jones, banks. I think that's good analysis. Okay. I said I sent I sent a couple of messages to rich Eisen and Daniel, Jeremiah, just complimenting them. I then said bills jets interior g they drafted defensive lineman to go against Tom Brady. When Devon Bush put Bush. Yeah. Then then his outfit. And then I said I thought he was injured and I got nothing. I love Hollywood Brown. But they the Packers probably need a tight end. Then they draft to rush on Gerry. And I said to inconsistent for me Atlanta's pick. I like that the guy the vikes drafted crazy. Athletic sweat is falling. I got rain emoji. What the hell that's a Fultz full-service right there. Yeah. For McDonald's s click narrating every single for during a major tournament every tweet every hall of every player. I don't even know who you guys are anymore. All right. You guys get nothing tonight. And you'll like it. Thank you, man. IT? I'm looking back at this texting. I don't know that we share everything on here is as a practice though, you don't share someone posted some of those things. Oh, no, I'm I'm just giving you Molly. Because I'm a professional on the pros pro I'm looking at the old like not, no, there's other totally. Oh here that's a policy. We're not sharing the group texts at our that. We've historically done. No, no, no. We're not going to do that. Redacting involved. Yeah. Yeah. There's there's more redacting than than Mueller report darkened room. Yeah. Yeah. I just was thrown things out. And just saying, you know, I was being an analyst can you get away with watching the second and third round of the draft all night tonight. Because I don't think I'm gonna be able to pull that off my wife asked a we're going to go out meet some friends right in my draft. She was I thought that was last night. I said the first one she goes so second round and third round tonight. Is it? Yeah. No. I didn't even say the first round was completed last night. I my wife knew I said this the first round takes forever. And she's like like how long and I said we'll days. So I'm going to be bailed to be locked in a little bit. I think tonight Yama club. Did you tell her Cody Ford might be able to play guard and ten next move by vacate Metcalf? What happened there I just think he was one of those guys that looks like he would be you know, this unbelievable. You gotta have this guy. I don't know if he can play. He wasn't that productive ole miss. He had a good software year in this junior year. He was injured he's not the greatest wide receiver in the draft. He just a star looks like the greatest wide receiver in the dress a physical star. He looks like he's out of avengers. See I did mclovin. I brought it back to I love endgame avengers endgame, and if he goes to buffalo next round he could be a white Walker because it snows a lot of them. Yeah. Well, geo t all the try game of thrones. Yeah. Come on up this weekend. Seeding by seeds trying to take my places number one GO GOP fan in the building. Oh, I know. And you're bothered by that remember when paulie started wearing glasses McLaughlin's like that's mine. I needed like, I'm the guy. Nobody claims more things than Andrew. He's like, I'm kind of the hair guy here. So what's what the hair kind of a walkie bucks guy? But but I actually secretly steal all Dan's closed environment home when he does it by Hakka one. Once you went out and bought these shoes. Mclovin goes, what are those? I go their shoes. I know now to pair of my closet nineteen after the hour. 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So I was thinking about how the chiefs in the Kareem hunt situation went down. And I kinda wonder if it'll affect the way that they handle the tyreek hill situation cream hunt. Video comes out six hours later, they released them that in the PR's is they do the right thing. Just for him to get picked up by another team services, pension and undoubtedly be a key player for the Browns and defined the chiefs. I'm not letting one of my best players walk. Just so somebody else can pick him up and go through the bad PR for twenty four hours. And then it all be forgotten again. I mean, if I'm the chief, I'm saying, hey, you know, what we're gonna help him. We're gonna get him some some counseling because this is what we think the best thing for tyreek hill the man is. And that that's my take on that. And appreciate you guys are show. Listen every day. Thank you. Matt I'm gonna play this tyreek hill where his fiancee's recording him and talks about the three ruled son. And his broken arm because we were getting into it. And he said daddy your meat. So we walked up this. Say come back down, and he didn't want to go down there. But I was like go down there because it'll end a force forty. So he walked down there and you were getting on about. No you kept getting on. And then he started crying. And then you relaxed sorta shut up so crying up so crying, so crying. And then he kept trying because he was scared. He's terrified and what you grabbed onto him somehow or he fell one of the two. Why does say that? He did it fly. Why did it kills a lot of things? The lie about what happened over. He seems to be denying it. Now, if I'm going to nitpick, I wanna hear him be really re if you said that I broke my son's on even accidentally I didn't. I don't know I'm being recorded. But if I'm talking to my wife, or my fiance, or my girlfriend, I I would be adamant that I would never do something like that it feels like the discipline that type of discipline is commonplace in this household, and I also think there's something to keep this keep this in mind. The reason why the chiefs cut Kareem hunt because he lied to them. If he would have said, look, I did this. There's video out there. I think that they would have they would have tried to help him. But he lied in the tape came out. I don't from from what I'm being told right now in the last fifteen minutes, the chiefs did not interview tyreek hill because if I don't interview you you can't lie to me. Statement issued by hill on Thursday includes an explanation for his lawyers from his lawyers that he met with law enforcement officials. He did not invoke his fifth amendment rights answered all the questions and that apparently was good enough for the Kansas City Chiefs. Now the tape comes out. Yeah. Paulie, if it comes out that the chiefs never sat down with them to ask them. What happened? They're going to catch a lot of heat. But I'm wondering if the players union would allow a player to speak to management of a team about a crime. Like is there anything where the players union says he doesn't have to talk to the team management about any accusations off the field. But if they said that there are no charges being filed. Although they said they think that there was a crime committed. I don't know legality wise or from the league's perspective if the chiefs can sit down tyreek hill and asking these questions because if they did that with Kareem hunt, and then the video came out, but you had the DA that they were investigating this far from over. And I wondered if it was going to change. The Kansas City Chiefs draft strategy because they traded out of the first round. Let me bring in Todd mcshay ESPN NFL draft analyst did it did this or will it change the Kansas City Chiefs draft strategy going into rounds two and three? Brutal transition. I guess it has to you know, you have to plan. If you're you have to kinda separate the two, obviously, you know, the the humanity of all of it. And then the the business part of it and the business part of it is there's a chance you might be without one of your best playmakers. And if that's the case, and we need to when you do address it. So I, you know, I I'm guessing that they will they will try to you know, bring in another playmaker. Just in case a wide receiver someone who can try to fill that void or or at least play that position. But a. Good luck doing that. And then be you know, good. This is just it's just a horrible situation. Yeah. It is. And and look I I'm sorry. I dropped that on you. I just I I all right. You know? And I don't think to be honest with you. I don't think it's getting enough attention well because of the draft, and I talked to somebody last night with the players sociation. They said, you know, what if the draft didn't happen last night? This story would be even bigger. And now, you have audio and the fact that maybe tyreek hill that it somehow got watered down a little bit because of the draft last night. Yeah. And I don't you know, none of us know all the details. So it's tough to say it's just hard to hear some of these things for anyone. But especially I've got two young kids four and a half year old free role. And I just I can't even I can't even imagine being anywhere near anything. Like this. The formal introduction. Todd mcshay ESPN NFL draft analyst there. It's like you. You you join the program already in progress here Todd. Gimme gimme the draft strategy. You loved last night. Well, first of all I loved teams like Jacksonville, Detroit and buffalo just kind of sitting tight and waiting. Sometimes you gotta wait for others to make mistakes. And I think mistakes were made in the first six picks and Cleveland furrow was one of them, and he's gonna be he's a good player. But he's he's not the fourth overall player in this draft. Josh Allen, Kentucky's a better pass rusher. Has better traits for the NFL. I I was surprised by the pick. But then again, Jon Gruden falls in love with a player. And he's going to take that player. It doesn't matter. If like mayo or anyone else in the building? And then we all know my feelings on on the quarterback Daniel Jones going to the giants. But then you sit there and Jacksonville. If you go through their needs edge rushers pretty low on the list. But when you get a player like Josh Allen that falls to you in that spot at number seven when you thought maybe he could go three to the jets four to two Oakland. And five to Tampa. You take advantage of it. And that's what they did Detroit wasn't scared of taking the tight end who I think is one of the best players in this class hockey. It's coming out of Iowa and the guy who's gonna I think really helped Matthew Stafford even though they've had struggles with the tight end position before. And then Oliver falls, again, another player, I thought Oakland could have easily taken at number four and probably should have taken it number four. And they just they sit home. They don't try to get cute and their biggest need was finding it difference maker at the defensive tackle position and Oliver falls in their lap. So I think those are three of my favorite things. And then I also love with Denver did too. They didn't want to move out of ten, but they knew they didn't wanna take a quarterback in this class. They whether you liked Joe flacco or not it makes sense to not bring to bring in Joe flacco. And then not bring in a quarterback at number ten. It's just going to create a problem. So let's give Flaco a year. See if it works. And in the meantime, let's go get a tight end because he loves the tight at that's his security blanket. It always was in Baltimore. And so they get it tight end. Who is a top fifteen talent at number twenty. Plus, they get the fifty fifty second overall pick. And you know, in addition, and then they get the they get a the second round pick next year. So they they got a lot of stuff to help them this year, and then also for the future, and if the quarterback doesn't work like oh this year. Now, they've got some more draft capital next year to maybe move up and go get a guy if kinda Murray's not taken by Irizawa. How far does he fall? Great question. Great question. I'm gonna say Oakland. I'm gonna say Oakland it for not knowing for sure I think I think they really like him. And I. Every bit of information, I've gotten is that terror car and Jon Gruden are not made to last in terms of their marriage. So we'll see if that plays out or not, and sometimes you could overcome it. But I it some point I expect Gruden in the next year or two to probably move in a different direction. And it would not have shocked me if if Tyler didn't go number one if it's Oakland took them at number four because I heard a lot of information about him just liking Murray and wanting to kind of become a little bit more progressive ofensive -ly if Daniel Jones is not selected sixth overall, how far does he full seven seventeen when the giants are back on the clock. Oh, well, exactly. Yeah. I I don't have. I mean, Miami wasn't taking him. Washington was not taking him. And then, you know, it hasn't been giants or at seventeen and I don't, you know, maybe when I heard the chargers, but then I was told late last night that the chargers would not have taken of at twenty eight maybe a team like New England. But I have no information on that. But I I think it was the giants or bust in the first round. Does Josh Rosen. Get traded tonight. I would say there's a strong possibility because what what are your other options? If he doesn't get traded tonight. Then you're either taking a really bad deal on a guy that you traded up for two to take ten last year. Would you rather have Josh Rosen or Daniel Jones Josh Rosen all day long, not even close and he's handed rice Todd? That's what I don't understand that, you know. And I do applaud the giants if you know who you want and you get them, then get them. I agree. I agree. And I and philosophically I'm completely on board with that don't wait till seventeen. Go try to get shooting trade up because you never know you can make deal. So I get that part. But it's the evaluation that I have an issue with and that's why I don't give out grades the day after because I just look at philosophy the strategy behind what you're doing what positions you're going after and the needs that you have because a lot of these teams will go. Hey. Hey, is it is it talent over need or vice versa. And then you can critique the strategy. I have no idea what Daniel Jones is going to be like in three years. I don't know what Dwayne Haskins is going to be like in three years. That's the one position where I can't grade. You're right. I don't even know what. Kyla Murray is going to be like Josh Rosen could turn out to be more productive than him. If he goes to the right place. So that's why when you get to these. Hey, what's the draft grade? You have for this guy or these teams it's really hard to do that. Yeah. I was told by my boss is early on by ESPN career that I basically had to make a decision between graph grades or or putting out a mock draft three days after this year draft. And and I said, you know, what I'll take the lesser of two evenings. I just can't you the great thing. But my least favorite project in my most clicked on thing on ESPN dot com. All year long is that way too early mock draft putting out on Wednesday or Thursday is it ready? Can you give me a morsel the number one pick your, hyper? So this is what happens it starts tonight around pick ninety Capers gonna start nudging me, and he's going to be like so who's thinking let's go from quarterback quarterback next year and then all day Saturday, and then we fly home on the plane Sunday. And that's when it gets really weird 'cause he he doesn't have he can't sit still, and he's rocking tapping his leg. And so what do you think inside linebackers? Finish this year for spun. Justin, Herbert make a mistake. Not coming out. No, I don't think. So. And they forget where he would have been drafted even if he was a top ten pick. And I know it sounds crazy because that's twenty to thirty million dollars guaranteed money. And yes, you can get injured, and there are factors there. But he was not ready and you'd be hit in his play this past year. I think he just needs another year. And where do you make your real money? Can you know, compare speaking within NFL money is if you get that second contract, and if you're not ready you've seen how many guys just get chewed up and spit out of this league in four or five years. And I think that he would have been much more vulnerable to that had he come out this year rather than going back for another year. And just maturing your favorite milk Kuyper? Eating story is what? It used to be pumpkin pie. But that's stale. I would go. My my new favorite is we go back to the hotel every night. And I asked him the same question. Just because I want a laugh after a long day. He he will get the cheese pizza and take the cheese off from room service. So it's now just basic. It's the crust and the tomato sauce and dip it in mash potatoes. Carb bloating. You know? It's a long weekend. I don't know. What do you do with that? Right, man. He's fascinating. Is one of a kind like that? That's where ESPN was created for certain people. And Mel kiper is one of those guys how he Schwab. Like what else would they do? They they have you know, they had that vehicle. You know, how we should still be there? But without ESPN. What would milk hyper be doing? He'd be like a hairdresser. I can't wait to tell him that today. Thank you, John. Thanks, but fun tonight. Todd mcshay ESPN NFL draft analyst. If I said a coach just got a contract extension for ten years for ninety three million dollars. Who do you think that coaches take a break have that for you coming up next Dan Patrick show? Hello guys at semi fighter jail. Senate. Check out my podcast. You're welcome with jail son and every Wednesday and Friday right here at podcast one. We cover the latest in mixed martial arts and everything else. Going on in the world of sport. 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There was spaces between the pieces of Parque and there were dead spot. But on TV it looked gorgeous. And I just remember when I got there went wait a minute that that's not the same floor that I was watching when I was a kid, but John havilcek Ondo this from Bruce Feldman Daboh Sweeney in new deal at Clemson ten years ninety three million dollars. Of course, led the Tigers to to the last three national titles. I don't know. What is by out is? That's what I wanna know. It's ninety three million dollars. What's the buyout? What's the Alabama by? Yes, he that's it. I'll put it over under four and a half years before his Alabama four and a half year. Yeah. Four more seasons than he's at Bama. Okay. His he's recruiting cruising he'll blow through the ACC. Why would you leave Clemson to go down the Bama? That's where he got his start. I know he's destined to unless Nick Sabin says. I would you would you do me a favor, and you know, and your school in would you come here. Do you wanna follow Nick Sabin? I would stay at Clemson. I mean, you getting paid. I know it's not Alabama. But Clemson probably looks at this and says, Alabama's not Clemson if I'm Davos, sweetie, I'm doing this. I got Lawrence there. I know. I'd stay Clemson. Now, you might say well the boosters at Alabama better than Clemson. I okay, maybe are. But all I know is what he's done at Clemson. I would stay Clemson. I would not follow Nick Saban at Alabama. Yes. Mclovin. And now the Daniel Jones is out of the ACC they can that conference. Finally, they have Dave the number one recruit quarterback coming right after Loyd that big ukulele kit from LA he's going there to what everyone's saying. Why are they number one powerhouse? Did you call him a ukulele? His you guys know this guy. It's DJ ukulele or something. Yeah. The guy I told you about how do you say is your guy just came in one day? And I said you gotta see this kid. I watched the game that he played. I it's too high. You know, how much of a loser. I am. I'm watching a high school game. And I said this guy is unbelievably exactly yeah. Pulling I'll spell his last name. You guys could take a shot you age E A L E, I E or E L. I don't have to buy Val there. You galela? He was just DJ. He was unbelievable in this high school game. And then then he looked like he was. Twenty five years old playing with guys who are fifteen. He hasn't committed Clemson by the way, but he's rumored to be headed there. Unbelievable. I did hear from NFL scout about Daniel Jones. You guys want here. Ready? Daniel Jones, along with his athletic and passing ability brings strong leadership toughness intangibles, this isn't being talked about time. We'll tell like all these picks Jones with an exceptional intellect will be the first one in last one out. He will live football. Yes. Mcleod, everyone on Twitter. There was one criticism. Has there ever been a college quarterback who wasn't good in college? Who got good in the NFL got got better. Well, guys, get better. But not they're always elite in 'cause Tom Brady got better grades of one example that everyone's habit out. He was pretty good when he actually played he won like the Rosebowl didn't hear. I don't know. If he was that good at Michigan. Barely started. He couldn't beat up drew Hintze. He was he I you look at his numbers. He was pretty good. I know green has quarterback of all time. Mclovin. Right. But name another guy. I heard people in Twitter going through lists. Nick foles. Like, it's hard to find a guy who was in the lead in college. Who made the next step? I just didn't see greatness. Now, this scout can see intangibles and work ethic and intellect. But I didn't see that put into play when he was on the field that that's my biggest concern with Daniel Jones. I applaud the philosophy of the giants. They got the guy they want it. Whether it's the right guy that is going to be up for debate. 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Mel's First Mock

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Mel's First Mock

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Subscribe rates and review. Now, it's time to rate and review this mock draft, you feel confident never never not with the first one twenty-five trades bunch of forties all kinds of things to happen between now and then just real quick just to get people. The snapshot of the top five Nick Bosa goes number one to air Zona. Josh Allen pass rusher out of Kentucky goes to the Niners. Quinton Williams goes number three to the jets, greedy. Williams. The quarterback from LSU goes number four the Oakland Raiders, Tampa Bay bucks. Get Jona Williams. A blindside pass. Protect your out of Alabama number six. This is where it gets interesting. And we'll talk about it a lot over the next few months Dwayne Haskins quarterback of Ohio State goes number six to the New York football giants Todd surely a quarterback won't get to number six with those top five picks for sale. But this makes sense. What do you make of it? Well, I think this is the fascinating part of this this draft class. I mean, we're going to be talking about this for a few months, and I think the last few years we've seen just about every quarterback taken in the first round teams are moving up to go get those guys. And so with the giants sitting at six Jacksonville at seven Denver, ten Miami at thirteen all. What's to say that we're not going to see some some movement. Again, now Haskins may not have as high a grade is some of the other quarterbacks the last few years, but there's really in my opinion, only two first round quarterbacks in Haskins and Cuyler Murray, and the need is obvious there. So yeah, you look at the first five picks, and we can't project trades. Mel, so I totally I totally get what you're doing here. But I think the question could be asked if Cuyler Murray can go thirteen to Miami. Then why couldn't you go seven to Jacksonville? So that's to me that's going to be the real fascinating part of this as we lead up to the draft. And then figuring out of Tyler Murray, and we can get into this conversation is he legitimately all in in football. I mean, that's going to be another huge question. Or is this just a ploy by by Scott Boris, his agent who's a shark trying to get more money out of the Oakland as we're going to get a lot. It's going to be a lot of information and misinformation, I think over the next couple of months with this kind of Mercer tuition. Now, I'll put this in. Ear what did cliff Kingsbury the head? Coach of the Zona cardinal say about Cuyler Murray are taking I figure the draft. If I could I know he signed up to play baseball, but he is a dominant football player. And I would take the first pick. Do you think? Now that was October. I believe lift said that a little bit. He no. Was playing to don't exactly that was the gate where they put a lot of points on the board and collar Murray did as well. But that was October Aleksei little did he know that he would be coaching Zona cardinals. And they would have the number one pick in the draft. And it'd be having the fake that statement come true. And the Josh Rosen. I'll talk about trade Rosen draft Murray, if you're Kingsbury whatever. But I think when you look at what with Todd setback collar Murray is he all in also when you talk about the Jacksonville Jaguars. We have Joe flacco, Nick, foles teddy Bridgewater. There's other options for teams are kind of ready made for now and don't want essay, wait two three years. Can they go out and get the veteran quarterbacks? And you've got Kyle Murray. He's not a traditional NFL quarterback. He's about what five nine we'll see at the combine what his exact height is. He's not a big body kid broad shoulders. He's not Russell Wilson in that two hundred and ten pounds. Like Russell was when he came out of Wisconsin. He's probably going to be about one ninety one ninety five. I think you look at the body type. We haven't had that before this'll be something new to the entire. NFL draft. This'll really be taught historical and Chris historical for the NFL draft. Get a kid say five nine one ninety five going into top ten of the Drexel the first round for that matter even the second round. Russell Wilson was a third round pick three and a half months ago till the draft a lot of times senior bowl combine pro days still to go. But I think Tyler Murray right now is going to be the talk of the draft. And we'll know a lot of this before obviously, April the end of April when the draft rolls around as the weather Tyler Murray is in fact going to be an Oakland. A is it going to be all win for football because he's going to have to be tied? It's not a defensive back. He's out running back. He's a quarterback. You can't just Watson in October and say here, I am gimme the ball. Can't do both. You can't do both. And and I think the only way you could wind up doing both is the way I think he's going to try and that's the try to play football. I and see how it goes. And if if that's what he does I commend them. And it makes sense. And after if he gives it three full years, and it's not working out. Then it's not too late to go back to baseball. But I don't think you can do it in the reverse order. I don't think you can go play baseball for a few years. See if that works. Out and then come back and play the quarterback position. It's just it's not built that players have tried that, you know, through Henson different ones. You know, they have tried that route and it hasn't worked necessarily. But. Yeah, there was a threat number one. John Elway was drafted number one in nineteen Eighty-three. All I'm gonna go play for the Yankees. I'm not going to be more colds. Yeah. A threat they're talking about Marino with baseball, but tapping before but never to this extent where the ninth pick in the major league baseball draft gets what the the big signing bonus. And he everybody thought that it was a one year with Oklahoma Sooners, and it's no question. I also think that this caught NFL people little by surprise. I don't think they expected Kyla Murray to be they weren't really preparing for it. Now, all of a sudden he's there and we've got to deal with this. And we got a lot of teams they can quarterback there. Are they going to be thinking traditional or they thinking out of the box outside the box a little bit like say, Tom Coughlan Jacksonville? Yeah. You gotta think about today's NFL not nine thousand nine hundred five NFL and collar Murray now. Irene Terry, Brad. Chelsea about a month goes to short. Well, he saying to play in the NFL at a high level as a starting quarterback. You're talking about a first round pick. Maybe a top ten pick. We talked about Kingsbury saying number one pick overall. So we're talking about something has never happened before in the history of the NFL and the draft that we're gonna see on fold. If in fact column Murray decides the be all in on football. Anytime would be the first for the first player ever drafted in the first round of both the major league baseball draft and the NFL draft, which is which tells you just how big of a story this is and to your point every every scout. I talked to I talked to area scouts that were in doing all their due diligence on Oklahoma looking at that offense of line looking at some of the defensive prospects studying everything even the underclassmen I kept on getting reports back saying, hey, you know, I'm just I'm not going to spend the time now on it because he's going to do one of two things. He's gonna go play Majorie baseball, or he'll come back to Oklahoma for next year, and continuous football career that way, and so I'll have time to prepare. So there are a lot. Scouts and a lot of NFL teams scrambling right now to get caught up on Kyle Murray. Let's just go over the financials real quick for Kyle Murray. Just so we have. So we have some perspective here if Kyla Murray went number ten overall in this draft, which is where Josh Rosen went last year. Josh Rosen basically got about nineteen million dollars in guarantees the Oakland A's. That's that's a that's a pretty good chunk of change to get into that. It's basically unprecedented territory for a kid like this. So it is it's it's so you're so you understand and have a comparison. He's his current guaranteed. Money is four point six six million seven million versus about nineteen million. You can do pretty simple math there. But the other thing is if his baseball career lasts. Yep. And he makes it to major league baseball. He would he would bridge that gap at a hurry. I mean, the contracts and major league baseball for an average player are as good better than most elite players in the NFL. Well, yeah. So you know, that that would be the big difference in what you have to look at it, obviously long jeopardy if he were to turn out to be a good player. But what's to say he's going to be? I know he was a high draft pick. He didn't play that well last year at Oklahoma baseball, and and he's had his struggles. And so if you're looking at a fifteen potentially a ten fifteen million dollars guaranteed money right away. I can see I can see how there would be obviously be interest. If you love both sports. Yeah. And I'll tell you what I mean. Mel you mentioned that, you know, we're not drafting the quarterback in one thousand nine hundred five and I remember when Russell Wilson was drafted you sat there, and you said this'll be a good litmus test for young abuse in one of the guys you cited though that it's not like it hasn't been done before. Drew Brees was kind of a in scouting terms about six o Wilson's kind of that five eleven. I mean Cuyler might be well almost certainly is shorter than that, maybe even in the five nine range, but I don't know for both of you don't you kinda get a kick out of the possibilities here. The fact that a year after Baker may feel the two-time walk on went number one overall that it seems like NFL offense is have come around to the idea that if the guy is good enough, they'll find a way even Patrick Mahomes. I see he's in the shotgun. A lot. He's throwing a cross the line. Scrimmage a lot. I mean, it just seems like often is changing how come up and tie game is changing the quarterback position. The offense is in general or trickling up if you will from college to the NFL, and it's a more spread out game. All the rules are in favor of of offenses smaller quarterbacks can last longer typically because you're not getting hit that much. You get the ball out. Quickly spread things out. It's not as physical football game. And you don't have to be a pocket passer and six five. It's just the prototype is different. I think it's going to shift. More toast, six one six two quicker guys twitchy or guys who get the ball. Look at look at the league now, and it's spread guys with Mahomes. Drew Brees, obviously has had his success. Just six zero one. I think was his exact tied at the combine. Obviously you talk about Russell Wilson with five ten in three eighths inches. And and then all these different spread guys. I mentioned Mahomes may feel etc. Cetera. I mean, it's just becoming a different game. And I think it's gonna work. I think he fits what the the new mold of quarterback is now is it an extreme. Yeah. And could he be five eight and a half? Yeah. He could be but I think because of the game changes and because we're only talking about an inch and a half two inches away. From what Russell Wilson is. I think he has a really good shot to succeed. Hey, medic, Chris the point guard mentality is what you're looking at your back Dale for. I just oh jokingly always say you're almost in punt formation when you're in the shotgun. Now, you're so far back back. Yeah. Yeah. You're not under center not worrying about three five seven step draft. The old days are over you can't think gold, you gotta think today, and I don't care if you're sixty or your twenty five you to adjust your whole thought process, and I think we all have now I think it's interesting with kava Murtad mentioned player ever to be drafted first round NFL first-round baseball yet in either sport both sports. We don't know how good he'll be even though he's a first round quarterback. There's still some mystery their baseball. There's always a mystery. And you hit the curb all major league pitching. That's always a mystery. No matter how good you are coming through the collegiate ranks high school ranks. So the mystery about Willie be a great baseball player big mystery football. Nothing's locked in. Either sport when Kyle Moore yet first round for both more than likely. I think it's going to be fascinating to say the least as what happens with collar Murray. Chris. Hey, Tom, it's a different different kid different attitude different player. But I'm just going to read you this stat line. Two hundred and eighty five four hundred and four so he completed seventy point five percent of his passes for forty six hundred yards. That was Baker Mayfield last year this year two hundred and sixty three seventy seven sixty nine percent of his passes for forty three sixty one. Don't you think put a high put all that stuff aside? Don't you think that NFL coaches who had to study Baker Mayfield last year, Oklahoma and say will this work will this kid work at the NFL? Don't you think that benefits Cuyler that it's the same offense? The numbers are damn near identical. And they can at least process what we're talking about. I do think there's something to that that I think, you know, just a few years ago, we were talking about none of these spread guys, you know, from the from the Texas Tech mold, you know, the tree we've seen. No one no one is really had success long-term. And now we've seen the barrier. Broken multiple times. I do think he's a more explosive athlete than Baker Mayfield. But. There. There's there's some other areas that are different Baker Mayfield played a lot of games. We're talking about. I think fourteen starts versus what was it forty eight or fifty for Baker Mayfield Baker was taller Baker. I think more importantly sticker like Mel mentioned, he probably won't route twenty twenty five pounds bigger and just Frank. We haven't to twenty he's he's a thank you. So so potentially thirty pounds difference and just again a wider thicker frame. And the other thing is I do think Baker developed now, it wasn't always the case but developed over the course of his career playing and game experience a better pocket presence than than we've seen from Cuyler. Now, they're both accurate. They they both have quick releases. They both are I think can make all the NFL throws and have stronger arms, and I think they both get credited for. So there are there are a lot of similarities, but I think the size game experience and pocket poison presence or the. Three areas where you'd have to lean towards Baker Mayfield. Hey, Mel as we skip ahead here just thinking that as Todd said that all the teams draft in the top five have what you would consider young or merging quarterback situation. So you have Arezzo with Josh Rosen the Niners, obviously, you big investment. Jimmy Garoppolo on the jets obviously Sam darnold had great four-game stretch to end the season Oakland with car. Tampa Bay Winston for another year, you know, with a new coaching situation. Don't these all look for sale to you? Do you see one situation where he said that seems should just get out of there? Maybe it's Oakland where they just need bodies should get out of there and add up picks. Yeah. They do. I think particularly number one. Because of where that's the team is right now. In terms of the quarterback position Rosen of all the young quarterbacks in the first one probably struggle the most. But that's because a lot of had to do with the team around him coaches. Now gone Kingsbury is in the Josh Allen pick. With Kentucky to the forty-ninth with jets kind of neat that guy the forty Niners need that education. That Armstead Buckner had a great year. Thomas has emerged three guys very similar yet. Buckner is the best of that group. Now, you bring the edge guy in the compliment that group and Allen the jets need exactly that kind of player there as well. It's like Alan is a kind of the hot guy. He's the kind of guy that both those teams need. So I would think they'll have to be a little leery of obviously given up the opportunity to get your Allen by moving out of there. So I think Josh Allen kind of complicates matters lose teams just a bit. Todd going back to Kyla real quick. You know, we brought up Baker Mayfield. But you know, one thing that gets forgotten Baker Mayfield obviously came in and week three when tyrod Taylor went down and then went on to break the rookie touchdown passing record. Couldn't you see a situation for either Haskins or Cuyler like the Cleveland Browns where that team goes out and gets tyrod Taylor. They get that bridge quarterback. Whether it's a Nick foles, whether it's a teddy Bridgewater that seemed to be the trend last year, the Buffalo Bills did it with a J McCarron. He obviously got hurt. The New York Jets kept Josh mccown around for a lot of money, even Arizona. Paid Sam Bradford like people tend to do before Rosen stepped in. So doesn't that seem like that's an obvious situation. Whether it's in Jacksonville with the giants depending on what happens with Eli with Miami. I mean, there's a couple of others out there. Yeah. I think what the giants ally is your bridge, and you can you could probably play one more season with them or or portion of the season as you're developing a young quarterback if it's Swain Haskins. I think Jacksonville can't bring in enough quarterbacks. I mean, they've just got they got a scrap down. I would bring in a veteran. And I would I would try to draft one as well. And that way, you're because let's face it any of those veterans that mentioned before do you feel confident in any of them that they are a long-term answer. No. I mean flacco can't even went out his job in in Baltimore. I mean, these got I just you know, I look at it foles. Maybe there's talk of falls maybe only wanted to play one or two more years. So I think if your quarterback needy team, you've got a you got to look at it and say, all right? What's the bridge for Jacksonville? I think if bring in one of those veterans, and then also I've got to be prepared that it's not gonna work out. Maybe we'll get a full season out of the sky. But if we're gonna spend the seventh overall pick or or even move up to go get one of these quarterbacks we've got to be prepared probably to play him as well. Because we say it every year and look at look at all the first round quarterbacks to play all five of them played all of the first round quarterbacks from year ago plate it's every single year. We say oh Lamar's too far away. He's going to need time. Well, he came in and lead lead. Baltimore the playoffs. It was unconventional. It looked ugly in the playoffs, and it may not be the long-term answer, but he played and he had some success is rookie season. So I I think you're gonna plan on playing the rookie at some point. But you want to have someone there in case it's not working out or to start the season. If your quarterback is not ready immediately as a rookie, a male among these top five teams that we just mentioned as potential trade bait situations. I mean, it's pretty awesome to get. Nick boasts just an advanced player. He talk about his hand, use whatever you wanna talk about. And then you think man, there's a lot of these guys in this draft. You can get down to shoot number. Twelve maybe Cleland furrows still there. You know, you get down to seventeen maybe Jeffrey Simmons as there. I mean is that doesn't that kind of incentivize some of these teams to to get out? Even if even if the idea of Nick Boza lining up across the formation from Chandler Jones. Just sounds incredible. Yeah. I think for them. It would be interesting to get out. I say the Josh Allen situations. Interesting there because he's so good. And he came on like he did do you want to drop down and lose out on that's player. Think history. Twenty we talked about how heavy the draft was on defense twenty defensive players in this mach number one only six seniors five third year sophomores in the top in the mock draft first round three in the top six had that before Todd that often or that many third year sophomore. So highly rated the SEC dominates again, fourteen SEC players next closest conference a big ten at seven the their doubled the next conference. So it's pretty amazing. How that worked teams in a final four Oklahoma with three Alabama four five before? Right there. I was gonna be Clemson with three Ohio State just out of the final four with four Notre Dame. None right now in the first round the way it looks. But that can change. But I think when you look at the first round in general, there's a kid dot and you've watched them ocean Zimin ass- from Old Dominion. He would be the first Old Dominion monarch player ever drafted history of the NFL history of Old Dominion I ever drafted let alone I ran for o'shane Zimmer's from Old Dominion. So a lot of interesting things going on there. The Oakland Raiders and Jon Gruden with Mike Mayock is the GM three first round picks. I'm with greedy Williams, marquees brand kind of a cliff branch a little bit there. Maybe they say in the old raider great out of Colorado cliff branch, Irv Smith, junior tight end. Dave casper Ray, Chester, they have Jared cook. But Smith junior look good there. So I think it's going to be interesting. You mentioned the quarterbacks Todd the bridge. It's gone Suzy kolber. I think we were Suzy last year we were all talking about you guys are always quarterbacks are playing a worry about those other guys. Well, the Browns thought enough tyrod Taylor the first pick in the. Third round. So they thought he would be a bridge to Mayfield that maybe could redshirt Mayfield like my home that didn't happen. So I think that as of looking at that guy. You know, what that guy is that guy now is a tutor that guy. Alec Derek Anderson with Josh Allen is an extension of your coaching staff to help these young guys just everything you need to be a rookie to go on compasses to get them ready mentally to deal with all that. That's what those quarterbacks now brought into an extension to the coaching staff and a tutor not the quarterback for more than a gamer to Todd let's flip to the discussion of skill position football because we keep talking about all the points that are being scored at all levels. I'm looking at mel's mock draft. I mean, I'm scanning here for twenty minutes before I see W R. I don't see any RB's. But is anybody mel's got AJ Brown out of miss as his first wide receiver off the board at number twenty two overall to the Baltimore Ravens? And I'm just wonder. Does anybody have a chance to crash the party? How fast is AJ half the run. How fast is Irv half. The run is is there anybody that's on your radar. That's going to go to Indy or pro day. It's really going to boost stock because it's not like some of these teams in the top ten don't need these weapons. It's not like Josh Allen doesn't need a great weapon in buffalo, or you know, or somebody like say the New York Jets. I mean, these there's obvious weapon deficiencies here. But I just don't know if the guy this. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's always a guy or two that pops up. But I think what's going to happen. This year is at these offensive skill positions. Even quarterback if really want to look at it. I think there's going to be a big run on day two. I think the talent is too good in the defensive front seven. I mean, look at these defensive tackles and edged players and they're just flooding. The first round Nick boasts of Ohio State. Josh Allen Kentucky their top two quitting Williams. At three you go down the list. It's it's pretty amazing research on Gary from Michigan Cleveland thorough from from Clemson at all over from Houston. Those are all in the top fourteen. And then Chicago polite at fifteen and Brian burns at sixteen. So it makes up more than half of your first half of the first round. Now to the point. I do think you're going to start seeing in the twenties. But then really in in the thirties and forties net range where you'll see the running backs wide receivers. Like, I said, I think potential backup quarterbacks. There's a lot of those guys this year. You know, you you. Look at Daniel Jones, mel's guy, and drew lock from Missouri will Greer from West Virginia Ryan Finley from NC state. There's there's about seven or eight quarterbacks that legitimately could work their way into that. Second third round range at wide receiver. You got AJ Brown in here, you got marquees Brown from Oklahoma Paris Campbell came in at thirty two out of Ohio State. There's some other guys like decay Metcalf could workout well, and you wanna see his ability coming out of coming out of that same ole miss program. So there's there's a handful of receivers I think Noah Fant is another one he's got two tight ends. And. Let's see TJ Hawkins said he's got going to Tennessee at nineteen coming out of Iowa fan is also from Iowa he's more of a receiver Hopkinson is more of a complete player or Smith. He's got for Mel Bama going twenty seven to the Oakland, Oakland Raiders. And after that like I mentioned fantas well, so there's tight ends. There's Damian Harris and Brandon Jacobs from Alabama at the running back position, Bryce love and some other back. So I think we're gonna see a bunch of those guys in that second third round range. Mel he was called as your guy Daniel Jones from you put him to New England at twenty nine. I know you're not trying to just start a fire here. But I mean, Mike Reese, I've talked to him about it. Everybody around that team says that you know, it's it makes plenty of sense for the New England Patriots to take a quarterback with this late first round pick or certainly in the second round with no offense intended for their ageless quarterback. I mean, they did it. A few years ago with Jimmy Garoppolo Brady just refuse to age that makes sense this year again, obviously, it does to you. It just fell that way. Daniel Jones quarterback. I thought made a lot of improvement. David cut cliffs at six quarterbacks move onto the NFL at of course, bite you lie and Peyton Manning. You think about his size Brady like his arm is compact release one hundred eighty five yards rushing in one game this year against North Carolina. So then you'll Jones a pretty good athlete and Daniel, very underrated athlete and his family, very athletic. He certainly has all the skills, and I think for New England and Tom Brady and before the to win next year begins. Yeah. At some point. Yeah. And it's been a while since Jimmy Garoppolo was that second round pick years a passi-. He was taken in the second round for. Yeah. Now, we're talking about a late first round pick almost the second round pick on Daniel Jones. So at some point Tom Brady is going to retire is going to happen when he's forty five fifty. We don't know, but it's going to happen. And I think Daniel Jones in the late first round would make sense considering his his skill set. Kind of I would say Tom Brady. Like, I think they'll be some things that they look at and say boy when their sizes compact release moves better than Brady did coming out of Michigan smart kid cut cliff factor. I look dunnock Daniel Jones up in the front. I don't love them and saying easy league. He's going to be a franchise quarterback. But I think when you get to that point then you'll Jones would make a lot of sense Josh points out that it's actually been five years since the patriots. Smartly drafted a an era. Parents Tom Brady. So he's just kind of outlasting them. Todd. Tell me a little bit about what happened with Ed Oliver who still projected as a top fifteen pick mel's got him number fourteen to the Atlanta Falcons. Hey, that's not bad. Here's ten million dollars. Go play football. But this was this is a guy that we talked about as a as a top three guy going into the season. What has happened to? I'm not saying he's even going to end up at this point. Who knows what could happen during the draft process? But. Obviously, you know, it's it's dipped a little bit for for at Oliver. Yeah. I think the first thing that's important note. At least in my opinion, it has nothing to do with the whole jacket gate with hell. Yeah. Major Applewhite that NFL teams don't care about that. I personally thought that was more on major Applewhite that it was on that Oliver. But you know, that's for each team to figure out to me. It's it's twofold, one is two hundred seventy three pounds. That's what what NFL scouts have gotten on him. And you know, the Aaron Donald comparison because they're under Sizewell Aaron Donald was to ninety and it's continued to bulk up and without losing any quickness. Can he do that it remains to be seen? But why hasn't he been been able to get even in the two eighties to this point? The second thing is I went back and studied Aaron Donald tape from his last year, Pittsburgh, just to just to kind of wipe away the comparison, they're both highly disruptive versus the run the differences. Don. Donald is a finisher as a pass rusher. He he knew how to get off of blocks. He was lightning-quick with his hands was a technician, and he just some guys just have instincts and know how to be slippery as a pass rusher. And that's what he he always has been and you don't see that same production from from at all over. And I think he's a little bit more like a great, Jerry, you know, that type of player where he's going to be really disruptive versus Ron he'll be disruptive as a pass rusher. But he's never gonna be or at least to this point. He's never been that, you know, double digit sack guy doesn't appear that he's going to be that kind of guy in the NFL either. And you got Clinton Williams and some other defensive tackles that have have emerged this year. And you've got so many defensive linemen, and we're now talking about two quarterbacks potentially going in the top thirteen which wasn't necessarily the case when we started this process. So a lot of things have changed since the start of this the if since August, let's put it that way. Melcan you Todd mention a couple of them from Bama, but you know. We actually have we've gone away from a few years ago. We were talking about you're never gonna see running backs taking around one anymore. When we were looking at drafts were geo Bernard was the first guy the board at like forty five. Well, Zeke happens for net happened saquon happened at number two overall, you can still question whether saquon should have been taken versus say, you know, Sam darnold at number three based on where that team is with their quarterback situation. But obviously when you take a running back early, you know, you're going to get the productivity, but I don't see single one on your first round board. Here anybody with the potential to crash the party and follow up question. Mr. Kuyper who else is in the mix outside of the Bama crew. I think Devon single Terry at Florida Atlantic with away. He ran you think about Bryce love not healthy had in the injury late. That's why he's at six to Errol Henderson at Memphis. Todd kidding lost the ball. He's actually. He was fun to watch very entertaining. David Montgomery, just gets the tough yards. He earns his real estate. He doesn't have the big flashy runs. But he's an interesting guy to put in there and then Jacobs. They had said all along he's our most explosive back, and he turned out to be put him in a wildcat. He's he runs with that little chip on his shoulder. And Josh Jacobs really emerged, and I put them right there with Harris. I'm I'm not I'm not convinced Harris gogo before Jacobs could go before Damian Harris style. I agree. I agree. Check out these numbers guys Darrow Henderson. I don't care if it's a Memphis when you do this. When everybody knows you're going to get the ball eight point nine yards per carry in each of the last two years this year he had twenty two touchdowns. He actually caught the ball sixty three times when everybody knows you're going to get the ball. And you got eight point nine you're doing something. Right. Keep an eye on that guy. Todd this year, you know, George kill you Iowa has a couple big pass catchers, depending on how you want to categorize them with obviously with. And Hawkins thin. But I keep hearing and seeing with my uneducated own is that this tight end class looks pretty legit. You know, again as we talk about teams spreading it out. And throwing it around a lot that's benefited a lot of tight ends in a lot of kind of hybrid types is this class as loaded as I keep hearing. Yeah. It's pretty good. It's a good class. I mean, Alberto, I believe from what I've read goes back to side to go back. Go back to Missouri. I'm not I'm going to try to pronounce his last name right now. I don't have a pronunciation guide in front of me. But but Albert, oh was would have been another guy thinks some more on day two. But with fan you've got a basically a slot wide receiver with size to create mismatches. Yeah. With with Hopkinson, you've got a complete guy. A why tight and the compla- inside? You can move them out flexible and do different things. He's gonna run better than people think he's a better athlete than people think he's got great hands. And he's a tough SOB as a blocker really is. And and I think Irv Smith is gotten better and better as a blocker. He was downright nasty and that Oklahoma, and I think while he projects a little bit more as kind of your slot receiver, and that f tight end I think he's shown that he's at least capable and functional as a blocker. Even if it's just in space in the NFL so to. Out with those three guys. That's that's a stronger group off the top than we normally see in Hopkinson the third year soft west like a waiting Todd is you don't want to put these guys too high early. But every time you watched him thirty eight was the impressive guy the blocking in line the catch the enthusiasm. He plays the game with the toughness and ship. He plays with and he's so bad Tennessee, they need weapons for Mario. You think about what he could mean? That's him several teams in the late first round. So I think TJ Hopkinson once he declared boy it's like getting right up there. Because he's a big time talent guys we have an incredible stack of mail. Come in here. So we're going to take a quick break. And then we got stacks. Some of these are smart questions. I I got to give you some credit. You've been reading your Kuyper MC, Shan, ESPN dot com. A credit? We will be right back after the break with this stack of mail cars that sound like this trust Pennzoil synthetics to protect their engines in extreme conditions. Top racing teams know that Pennzoil synthetics give them the performance to help them succeed. And your car's engine deserves to say because your daily commute is no less important. Get complete protection for top engine performance. Just like the pros. Visit Pennzoil dot com slash rebate to save on. Pennzoil synthetics. Terms apply. Guys. There's so much fired up Cleveland Browns mail. It's amazing. It's usually usually start getting usually start getting notes from Browns fans in September asking about the quarterback class. Now, they got Baker. They got you know, seven wins. They're fired up Kevin hall at Kevin R N S Todd after missing for many years with first round picks. The Browns of it home runs. The last couple of years. What do you see them doing in the early rounds this year, just where are you prioritizing? I think they can continue to get more weapons, and you know, and that's probably going to be second third round range. I think you've got to continue to get Baker more weapons. I think the offensive line. They can continue to try to upgrade their mel's got seventeen. Jeffrey Simmons make sense continue to get pass rushers coming out of Mississippi State. I think there's a little bit of an underrated player, and like we talked about there so many guys and that defensive front seven defensive line and edge players that there's going to be someone good sitting there number seventeen. So those are few of the areas, I think you'll see the the first few rounds. Mel can't wait for next year. Thirty two be Hawkins says how high will LSU linebacker Devon white go. What do you think? Well, I'm backwards or kinda being I wouldn't say phased out, but their value, isn't what it once was. So they drop a little further down Devon white eight the Detroit to the lions have down a little bit further that Devon Bush really gotta Michigan as Pittsburgh Steeler twat. So it's the values not there. But these kids are great players they fly to the ball. Devon, white will probably run hopefully for his sake in the four five weeks. He plays like it, very dedicated very focused kid. He's got a slight set on being a great linebacker in the NFL and he can run around like Dion Jones when he came at LSU. He was a second round picks at a really good start to his career injury this year. But I think that value of speed guide, you got the linebackers. Now, we've talked about adjusting their whole mindset about a quarterback. Now. These speeds this speed factor this range factor and be one of the field and being able to cover and fly to the football and tackle and space because always short passes. He's quarterbacks are throwing a guy like Devon white. And today's league I think and same thing with Devon Bush from Michigan. Both those kids I think while they're being phase out of bit. The true might men the the guys that are run stuffers. Forget them. But these kind of guys can fly the football still, I think in this day and age had value. Yeah. These guys fit the mold, and that's why you're gonna see the meal in the first round there. They're both exceptionally quick instinctive. They both loved the game. I of all the players we met with every Friday leading up to game, you know, talking about fifteen weeks. I don't know over one hundred players outside of maybe trace McSorley. I don't know that there was more impressive player to sit down and meet within the Devon white. He he gets it. He loves the game. He's he's exactly what you want from a leader. And I just think he's going to be a special player at the next level. I think Devon Bush won't be two guys. Get a couple more here weakest position group in this draft. Nathan m thirty three wants to know. Mel, what do you think weakest position group? You know, I'm just going through it real quick. Obviously, no running back in the first one. I think it's a pretty good second. I've six running backs with second round grades wide receiver. Not great. But king Butler, Iowa State Anthony Johnson buffalo Kelvin Harmon. NC state. There's gonna I think it was going to be good good second third round receivers that are taken offense of tackle either. That could be the weak area. Todd after all send that's a group where Joan Williams may. In fact, be right tackle or guard Joon tellers or right tackle, the left tackle, Greg little little inconsistent could juice from West Virginia. Dennis daily from South Carolina. I think is interesting. I think he's a little underrated. But maybe tackle there's a decent amount of guards some centers pass rushers with Obama strong. This defensive group is so you got strength there. I probably would say offensive tackle might be the weakest spot after all said and done Todd. I'll throw out a name that hasn't been mentioned. Yeah. This must be somebody follows me on Twitter. Joe mcdade ass where does the Heisman candidate like him plug in that Heisman candidate like Gardner, Minhsiu fall on your big board? And what is your take on Senator? Al question all the way. Josh pull these at popped up. I just think it's sit out to me. I'll say that. There's one hundred fiftieth question you found. I think I I think is a day three pick. Yeah. He's got a chance, you know, he obviously transferred in to pass friendly offense. But I I don't think he was a product of the system. I like the way he plays. He's he's got a little Baker Mayfield to them in terms of just the energy. He has out there sees the whole field. I think he's got a chance to develop into a solid backup in the league. Yeah. I think we look at the Johnny Unitas golden arm award winner Gardner Menchu. You know, that was pretty cool. Mel they brought him out there Brooks Robinson's out there. It's very Baltimore up. But I actually appreciate it. Let's see here every year. Thomas Konare asks every year. There are few workout warriors guys. It's a little bit early. And I gotta I gotta put in a plug here too. I think we're actually gonna be able to do a podcast from the NFL. Combine is that. Right. Josh that is accurate Mr. sprout. Go ahead, and you know, pay palace each at thousand dollars for the tickets. We'll be sending those out. I'm kidding. Don't do that every year there, you workout warriors at the combine Mel Todd. Maybe each of you, you got a few. Mel don't take twenty. Got that standard. You know is going to be a workout warrior. That's some speed standpoint. Somebody's linebackers Brian burns at Florida state should run really. Well, Tremaine Pratt at NC state would be another one the throw in there. A kid. I want to say tie when he works out. He's going to be the senior Corey Ballantyne at Washburn cornerback intriguing guy there. One four nil. I wrote him up on ESPN dot com, cornerback safety Etta Virginia really nice player when a see how he works out as well. And I think you know, from a standpoint of wide receivers, we always get one or two of those guys that have the the great numbers. But I think when you look at Hakeem Butler at six four six five tremendously athletic is he gonna while people over enough to make cocaine Butler from Iowa State a first round draft choice. Something third round something. I ransom. They're all aboard on a keen Butler. But I think workout certainly will wake up some people as what kind of athlete he is. Yeah. I don't know what marquees Brown runs for forty the wide receiver from Oklahoma. But he's one of the faster players. I can remember evaluating on the field play speed. So I'll be interested to see what he runs decay Metcalf is supposed to be a workout warrior. His health will be a factor in in the whole evaluation, and we'll even be ready to work out coming off the neck injury. But he's supposed to be. He's a big guy. Looks the part. I mean, absolutely like, Mike Evans body titan. He's another player who could have a good work. Oh, Paris Campbell supposed to put up some impressive numbers the Ohio State wide receiver who you had an at thirty two as well for the Green Bay Packers won her metrics. We had to win the Dardanelles show back in. I think it was October. And we're up Ronel Ren Todd the defensive tackle. Now didn't have the great production for the sun. Devils wasn't dominant. We, but he flashed, and he supposedly is going to be a guy that puts up elite numbers across the board from a workout standpoint Ronel Ren defense attack. Arizona state. You know, it's funny you see marquees Brown, and you guys this guy's never going to be able to hold up at the NFL level. And then you think back the Sean Jackson's held up Marvin Harrison held up because he you know, he didn't take hits that. I mean every single year. There's a guy the poor man's end of it. There's a Robbie Anderson, but there's some of these guys with those kinds of body types where they stick around for a lot longer than you think and Ted against playing football. And he's still a problem. He's still backs up safeties. You never know. Mel give you this one Jason Greenwich asked with the first round projected to be heavy with the and the Buffalo Bills needs primarily all over the offense. You know, I referenced this earlier on. But what do you do if there's best player available there? Or is that a team that you could think could be looking to move back. At nine Joan Williams gone and Shona Williams tied would make the most sense there. If he were I couldn't get him all the way down to nine. And actually if you go back to the national championship game, he held his own fire got him off balance once and and it made him look bad. But overall we look at that game. He ought pretty good at left tackle, the one play the feral made on fourth down wasn't him. He didn't block them. He pulled was unblocked and made the play. It wasn't on Shona William so left tackle right tackle guard. Is he Brandon sheriff is it going to end up at guard after being left tackle what I will see on Joan Williams. Ideally for buffalo, Jona Williams. We'll be the pick. But I can't put them all the way at nine again. Marshawn Gary from Michigan. Kyle Williams retiring keep improving at defense, which is excellent Josh Allen and the games he started and finished issue. It was five and five with at buffalo. Bill team. We've got off the did some nice things upset the Vikings early. Then dominated the dolphins in the final game. So darnold, Josh Allen. Both look like it's going to be a heck of a rivalry and that AFC east moving forward. So I think offense is going to be heavy in this draft. But you gotta just take the bus. Supplier. You can't force it at night at the best players defensive lineman. You gotta take them. Hey, Thanh, Chris Brown and Bristol. Here wants to know, you know, you got to you got to do film room for the for Clemson. And I know you've seen them in person early in the season. One thing that keeps sticking out to me is how these teams over the recent years Ohio State in the secondary Clemson upfront Bama front some of these teams that just have super loaded where they're gonna lose seventy guys to the draft invariably. It seems like a guy further down the roster turns into a really good player. You know, whether it's an atom Humphries just that type. And I'm wondering having watched Clemson and Bama who stood out that is gonna get drafted probably not in the first round is still going to be a really good player that may just some of these guys that get further down these rousers that we're not talking about. I wouldn't be shocked if Albert Huggins wound up making an impact I mean, he's impressive from Clemson. You got four guys that are going to be drafted three potentially in the first round with Christian Wilkins Cleveland Foral index or Lawrence then yet Austin Bryant the other starting defensive end who's probably gonna be amid round pick and then Albert Huggins. When Dexter lords is out because spend in the two playoff games comes in. And does a really good job. He's been a great backup the last couple of years for Clemson. And I think he's a day three pick and a player that nobody really knows outside of you know, huggy bear is the nickname. But as a guy who's never really started at Clemson. I think he's gonna wind up getting drafted and could wind up, you know, making a roster and contributed in the NFL couple of guys real quick Mitch Hyatt the left tackle for Clemson four year starter Todd does he end up at guard. Right tackle, obviously, it left tackle the athletic quick is. But you give them trouble. But it is an inside guy can be a factor there and rent. Throw the third down star made a lot of big catches threat is career Humphries making it with Tampa Bay certainly hunter Renfro could. And for Alabama is say a is this the guy to have when your football team was banged up late in the year. But I think he showed this year that you could get it done at a fairly high level nine sacks. Yeah. It was all said and done. Yeah. You Costa ten sacks gesture that he was very much under the radar. You know, guys, I'll give you an example of how this played out this last year. But the Sean hand who is this kind of, you know, obviously, a big time recruited Alabama. But kind of just one of the rotational player did he run hot and cold? There's questions there. But you know, it's funny dish on hand was like a breakthrough player for the Detroit Lions this season. Arguably maybe the best player on that defense for stretches of the season became on hand came on the Dr show last year prior to the guy going he came on eight early April, and he had a chip he felt like, hey, it's a scheme. We'll talk about my numbers. He was highly motivated to prove the doubters and the skeptics wrong that hey United put me in the first and second round, I should be. He just had an attitude about him. And it was it was not just being cocky and arrogant was really real that. You could sense it. Hey, hand was highly motivated to really come in and make a splash. And that was that turned out to be one wheel of a pick. Yeah. It's just amazing. Some of these these teams, I mean, if you think about it if you couldn't necessarily break the rotation at Clemson, it's not a big shot you on the defensive line. I mean, you could have been on another team in just absolutely broken through. And then from the scouting standpoint. There's maybe a few a few less miles on that. Oh, dominator anyway, bro. Alabama had twenty two players drafted the last two years. Eight of them in the first round. I've got twelve more guys this year. Now, I've got to go back and look because a couple of gray. Davis has already said he's going back to school. But when the official list comes out, but before the national championship game in terms of eligible process. Spects? I had another twelve guys with draftable grades on it. I mean, it's just amazing. You talk about that would be thirty four in a three year span now, and it's it it just keeps happening over and over. I was laughing because you know, like, Nick Bosa got hurt this year and Ohio State ran out tyreek Smith, who's only just like a terrifying. Young pass rusher. And, but that's what happens at some of these programs where you know, especially in some of these premium positions, they recruit heart, and let me ask you guys questions. You guys can answer a little argument that I had with Dr Mike O starring locus best Saturday. Do you guys still believe to this day as we speak right now that Alabama's the dynasty? Yes. Yes. Okay. Chris. Yeah. Absolutely fifty four and four and United in the SEC, and you win every I'll pass it along to Mr. Darcy Noko and Saturday out, and what was his court that it's over. Now. That's the diocese over ended. That's end. It's gone. Hey, hey, Barry. I'll tell you this. Our guys are saying that Nick Sabin might have just had his best. Ever any done yet? Yeah. The lights ain't going out. And by the way that quarterbacks come back to right guys. Yes. He does. I believe so. Wide receivers off to come back through June. The four quarters. Judy can't even be covered right now. He's coming back. They'll be fine. Guys. It's been fun. It's turn out the lights on this one. I first draft awhile. Go to ESPN dot com. Check out Mel kiper Jr's new mock draft, you can't miss it. 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REShow: Todd McShay. Hour 1 (01-15-19)

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REShow: Todd McShay. Hour 1 (01-15-19)

"Orig- is on demand. Your show your schedule. Fifteen minutes after ball dot com. Check out the casts at richeisenshow dot com. Everybody. Welcome to our neighborhood here in our number one of three of another fun edition of the rich Eisen show off often running here from the AT and T studios in Los Angeles, California. Andrew Whitworth, Los Angeles Rams left tackle as they get set. The Rams ahead in New Orleans later on this week. He's gonna stop by our studio and our number three. I property say Brockman you've been here since the jump street since we turn the lights on you to Mike del tufo. Biggest man, you think that's walk in the door. Here. We had rob gronkowski about three years ago. We did. But gronk not as big as a left tackle. I don't. That's true. He ran past me on the field. The other day at worth almost hit us and pads and everything is you. Where of that when he comes in is at. Actually running off the field to see his kids. Oh after the game. And he ran passes him. And you're on the fielding tar game. No way. To know. They you know, the way they do it. Now when you can hang you're not. But our so how are you on the field at the envelope game? Pre you know, what what are you took your girlfriend down from from the stands? And we went on the field again by the white. That's now twice. I've called her tone your date and girl for you. Didn't stop me time break starting the show with breaking new. No, you're not. No, no, no. Alrighty. Instead, let's start with the Carla Murray news the broker after we went off the air yesterday. And the fact that he did in fact declare for the NFL draft word is even send in the paperwork Friday. You know, well, he's keeping his options open. And as I told you prior to the end of the show when we were expecting him to declare for the draft, and I'll repeat ear again. What I said is in overtime are up only. Segment that we do every day except for this one. And all explain why when we don't do is over time before we go off the air later on. I think he's got a declare. He can't play. He can't play it both ways for much longer. And he's maybe doing this with the NFL to get something more out of the as a spot on the forty man roster and more money in his pocket. And I totally would understand him doing such a thing gotta use your leverage. I mean, how many different times did we talk about this about professional athletes? And here's a kid who has dominated in the last year at the collegiate level to the point where he's a Heisman Trophy winner in football. He's terrific and baseball to the point where the as used such a high draft choice on him. And he has a decision to make about which sport. He loves very the most. Interestingly enough, you know, he is a three hundred hitter with a little bit of pop in major league baseball. He's fast as you might imagine as well. So he's got the skill set. To play for a long time and baseball in which you can make as we all know a ton more money fully guaranteed from jump street, and he may love football too. And the fact that he's not just running to baseball right now. Where again, he's not gonna get hit all the time, and he's going to be dealing with a long schedule shore. But it's not like the NFL. There's no I imagine there's no cold tubs. Every single time. You're off the field and baseball. And so the fact that he is declaring for the NFL draft may just be because as he told us when he called into the show before the eyes metro fee that he won. He loves the sport. He loves playing it. He lives the camaraderie. He also loves the action. I think whenever you've heard him talk about the difference between football and baseball. He talks about the downtime in baseball. And that's during games football. I mean, you know, something's gotta happen. Once every forty seconds, certainly when you got the ball, and there's a the mental aspect of it. Sure. When you're in the batter's box, you gotta figure out what pitch is coming in what the pitcher might be tipping or what the pitcher has done previously to you. And it is a mental game. But that's when you're in the batter's box, you might be doing that in the on deck circle. But until you're up again. So you're out there on the field. It's not like the NFL, man. It's not like football. It's not like collegiate football. So maybe just loves the sport, right? Well, the only way that he can show NFL scouts and NFL valuations that he loves the sport is by telling baseball he's done. And I don't know how he's going to play it out. I mean, he could play it out to the point where the as tell him short go to the combine we love you so much. We're going to tell you go to the combine. And see what you can figure out which is great for the as good job on them to come out and say, if they wanna do that if they're so enlightened knowing that the only way to get Cuyler Maury to commit is to let him so his wild NFL, oats. Being. I mean, we right. We've all been in relationships before. And okay, you know, maybe you want somebody term, and that person isn't ready to commit long-term until they see what else is out there other fishing Assi. Eighty. Maybe that's what you're doing right now by not calling the girl you took to the playoff game. Your data your girlfriend might. Still just trying to draw lines between your personal experience in what's going on with Colin Murray. But I will stop now look the as can basically say what what I suppose go figure it out. And then come come home come on. We're here for you. And we won't hold it against you. If we're going to have a long-term marriage. We're gonna have a long term relationship, and we love each other. Go figure out if you want to have that dalliance with the NFL. And I guess guess what the NFL if the as do that is going to sit down with the combine after he tops out at five nine and change. You see the director of Oklahoma tweeted out that he declared or it came out news declared what he measured at Oklahoma last year less than five ten but more than eight and that will be all tell you what Anatole network. I don't recall in our combine day, filming the measurement live taking the measurement life. I don't you know, the reason why we haven't done that is Roger Goodell from what I was told hated and thought it was too intrusive in the privacy of the guys who are out there in their underwear to stand. They're getting measured and holding that law, but I I don't know if that's the case, then maybe we'll we'll petition because that's a huge piece of news. How tall he is at the combine. So once that all. Hits once that's done. And before he gets out there and spend it on the field because we'll have to see him run. We're gonna have to see him. Do all that stuff. Every valuate is going to look at him. Go what's with the as calling? Why why haven't you told them that? You're you're done, and he could sit there and go. Well, I'm keeping my options open. It's about business. It's I love football. All really you love football so much. Why should we use a first round selection on you? If you're still thinking about playing baseball, I'm telling you, I'll repeat this line again as I said yesterday, I'll say it again talent evaluators in the NFL aren't the most well rounded enlightened in vigil individuals reaching, you know, there's life outside of football. But that's for faith and family. There's three Fs faith family football. That is basically what most evaluators who live breathe eat football put a roof over their head because they're in football. And know that football is about key. Keeping your faith and your family happy through football. There's three Fs. There's no room for as. In the three Fs. There's no room for as and they might consider there's room phrase if you play corner Iran him back what maybe maybe doubt it maybe quarterback. No, no, no, no, no. So before Nashville for sure he's gotta tell the as we're done, and he could try and play it both ways at the combine and get through all of the interviews. Impressive young man. And he can look everybody right in the face and talk about how much he loves loves loves football, each breathes it for lunch breakfast dinner brunch. But until he tells the as we're done now. He won't be believed. And if he wants to be drafted in the first round certainly to make it a wash is to how much money you'd have to pay the as back if he plays football. If he wants that that that paper he wants that cash money. He's going to have to tell the as we're done because no one's why would anybody use a first round pick drafting if he's going to turn around and say, they don't want to put it this way. No NFL team wants to be in the position that the as are in right now we're used that pick. And then all of a sudden, you're you're asking the league office for a little bit of help in in in and getting made whole again. Todd mcshay. Will you had a ring him up? And he's going to be first up about ten minutes. Tell me if I'm a little wrong or spot on or if I'm gotta half writer. All right. I think I'm all right. But for the moment, it's a fascinating conversation about a kid that is all sorts of talented and baseball were really used to have fascinating fascinating Lee enough Dion Sanders chimed in on this on ESPN us here. Prime state after class for the weekend. Hang out on ESPN start promoting that thirty for thirty. That's been done on wait for that debuts during he said if he was Carla Murray he would pick up a baseball bat, not turn back. And in that respect, I always recall the time or we the rest of the game day gang were brought into Diaz beautiful house in the burbs of Texas years ago for Thursday night football game yet everybody over or thanksgiving game or something like that. Were you there that night to Mike beautiful spot? It was like it was like, Dave and Buster's meted the met the Balaj hotel without the gambling just this monster, huge construct and beautiful home. You opened it up to everybody. I mean, everybody there were dozens of people bust out there and everything and he took us on a tour of his house and Dion took us into his. Closet. Which was the size of a men's warehouse in. I'm not kidding. We what will you go down the hallway? And then you made a right, and you look up you saw plexiglass ceiling through which you could see the shoes remembers. It was the shoes on the top floor. And there was a plexiglass who could hold the shoes over the suit. He was interested in see if it matched. And so you could see through and I remember walking out Marshall Faulk mumbled under his breath. This is baseball money. Is what he said. This is baseball money is what he said. Which is why I think Dion telling contemplated pick up the bat. Not turn back. Eight four four two four rich number dial. Andrew Whitworth coming here. And then Terry crews who played a minute some football as well before clear to making the right decision. NBC's all in on the Terry crews business right now, host of America's got talent champions and also in Brooklyn nine nine, which is on NBC now Cheddi huge debut getting the rich Eisen show bump, thanks to Joe the truly appearance here last week. At least that's the way I'd like to put it. If if there's no such thing up. Why is Matthew mcconaughey coming here? Next Monday the week that his new movies coming up. It's all I have to say if not us who K poll question Chris asked big anniversary today guys January fifteenth nineteen ninety nine Jonathan mocks and company hit the theaters varsity blues turns twenty today. What's the best football movie? Guys varsity blues. Remember the titans any given Sunday Rudy. Oh, yeah. Friday night lights on. So it's not these movies or clearly not based in fact, obviously, right? They're all not based in fact that. Where's the longest yard? Which one either one Terry crews in the remake those are prison movies that happen to have a little bit of football splice southern Rockies. Love story that happened to have boxing in it. Sure, your green that finally just to keep the longest yard out of you having to change what what's in your poke west. Yeah. The longest yard is like, it's cool. But it doesn't hold a candle now prior to the show you thought when I said, you don't know where I'm gonna go with this. When we go on the air, you thought it would be me hitting the low hanging. Brockman fruit of you, having zero pop culture knowledge prior to your birthday. Okay. Again, that's an accurate, but you have a few holes or the few movies. I've never seen. But here's what you're going to throw out some really old time football movies. No, no, you're irio. Here's where I'm going with this. I'm not going to weigh in on this question. And it's not because you know, how much I despise Rudy and watch it. You don't time a hoping that he pops his quad by the end stopping. That's not where I'm going with this. Like, the reason why I can't weigh in on this question is I've never seen varsity blues. Oh, I did not think that's where you're going said never seem varsity blues, you know, about like the whipped cream bikini and all that. And like Jon Voight about alley Larder. Heard obviously, I know the lake rape Paul Walker. I understand I've never seen it. Oh, my God rich. So I want I want some just because I knew I'd be getting grief. Call eight four four two full rich. If you want to chime in on the poll question, that's fine. If you wanna chide me for not having seen this movie fine. But I'd like you to call with the one sports movie. Euro also not proud to say you've never seen. And I'm sure you've got one over there. Sure. One. We were talking about this morning. I've never seen. Bryan song thousand matter with you. You've never really. It's about. One of the movies ever to easy Ono known. But it's about a relationship between two layers brotherhood of men. Here's just with football. That's the best football movie of all time, pal. Adam sure, okay. Eight four four zero four rich. What movie have you seen not seen as a sports fan that you're kind of embarrassed that you've never seen or you can call and say that movie's not even worth being on the list? But don't call and say, you hate hoosiers because that is not acceptable around here on yesterday is that why you were tweeting out of that's the only movie for acting. Dennis hopper was ever nominated for an Oscar for. All right. So let's let's let's get to break. Todd mcshay on the other side your phone calls throughout Terry crews. Andrew Whitworth and more here on the rich Eisen show podcast. One is your one stop shop for everything TV and op culture of berry candid, not even supposed to be on the record conversation at checkout. Any of the collider network podcasts, like TV talk movie, talk collider, live and more. And for you reality TV fans, rob history. Nino's got you covered with rob. As a podcast. This is the pies. No sub snuffing literally have a podcast about nothing checkup collider network, and rob has a podcast every week on podcast one or wherever you get your favorite podcasts. Every car comes with its share of stories that ding in your bumper. 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A message from Welch's grape juice there are over four hundred crush decimated in pulverized grapes, crammed into each bottle of Welch's grape juice, which pretty much leaves no room for anything else. No added sugars, no added flavors and definitely no mercy. The world's toughest antioxidants welches, tough as grapes. Chris. What's the first loss results? The best football movie right now. Remember the titans leading the way thirty seven percent Friday night lights sixteen percent Rudy fourteen percent varsity blues and Bryan song. Twelve percent any given Sunday nine percent again. I am staying out. I've never seen varsity blues. I've asked everybody to call in. If you wish eight four four two full rich number down to reveal the sports movie. You're not. Proud of saying that you've never seen. Todd mcshay here on the phone line right now. And if I'm not mistaken if I'm not mistaken last night at the White House. Trump said get me mcshea, and they thought they said McDonald's. And then that's what happened. That's true. Is that is that exactly what happened last night with comes in in the house last night? What do you think cleansing? What do you know, Gino, clemson's nutritionist Todd of you met the person who apparently is one job is to make sure the kids don't eat fast food. You heard about that actually haven't I've Alabama's I've been to. Facility. I've not met that person. But I cannot imagine that he is really thrilled with that. Davos, seeing all those burgers out there. I'm sure he delve into one himself. Let's dive into the the main story on the menu today. And that's that's Carla Maree Todd. Let's start with the evaluation of Mauri. As it currently stands with him saying he's now eligible to be drafted in two thousand nineteen in the NFL talk. There's a lot of way or. I mean, the first thing the most obvious thing that ever gonna point on this. And it's a combine we'll all be sitting there usually is five eight and a half is five nine. What is but and then I think just as importantly. His weight and sickness. I can he hold up because we look at Russell Wilson. He's five ten three eighths inches. But he's also to five and I do think one thing to kind of really good job of like roses is protect himself. And whom of it was because he had four point seven million this year that he had maybe more. But. But. But it some point you gotta get concerned if he's only a hundred eight times now, I'm I'm a little bit more concerned about the baseball aspect of it because I really good friend one of my best friends from growing up as works. Major league baseball in the in the offices in New York, and he's been texting all week long about. All right. If he goes if he goes fifteen what's the money, and he goes thirty three what's the voting? Clearly, an I didn't ask them. But clearly he's getting questions from the as they baseball wants him to be major league baseball player because he's he could be one of the faces of of that sport. So what happens if if he's just leveraging football over baseball, or if he really would Jibril is gonna try to football for would or two years, but if they os, and then you you lose out and he goes back to baseball. So those are the two things deposits. These electrified, obviously, he's to me is explosive a quarterback in athletic quarterback is we've seen since Michael Vick. He also is very accurate. He has touched. He goes to progression reads quickly. He does so many of the little things. Well that you wouldn't think your quarterback with only fourteen college starts does. So I think he can be a legitimately good starter in the NFL difference maker a playmaker. And I would draft him in the first round. If I was guaranteed that he would make football the number one priority and getting rescreen years to try to work it out mcshea here on the rich Eisen show. Todd. I said at the opening of the show I said upon hearing he might actually declare and then after he declared I'll repeat it again here. You know, exactly what you just said, you know, talent evaluators in the NFL, and you know, how much they can fall in love with talent. All it takes his one is the famous phrase, obviously to draft anybody that has some question marks about physical attributes or anything like that. But it's the the desire to play football that everybody's gotta be locked up on. And that everybody who evaluates talent has room for three Fs faith, family and football. There's no room for as Todd is no room for Red Sox. There's no room for Yankees. There's no room for any of that. Don't you think he has to declare one way or another at some point? And if so when is that point, do you believe? I think he does if he wants to be if he wants to maximize what he can make. I mean. To answer questions. I think it has to be before the combine I really do. If you're gonna go through because then he he's gotta either show up to a training camp. Or he's got a he's got to be into four. So I I just I look at it this way, you you can probably go play football for two or three years and then go back to baseball. I don't think you can go play baseball. And then come back to football at the quarterback. And I definitely don't think you can do both. It's not like Bo Jackson. It's not like the on any of the other dual sport players, if you're planning a position, you know, wide receiver cornerback running back, that's fine. But not quarterback. You cannot do both in my opinion. So he's got he has to declare and he's gonna have to convince teams in a very short period of time that he's doing this really to completely commit to football for multiple years and to give it a full shot. I don't know sat in a room with waking eilly, and we. All she was Brian greasy. And Steve Levy were sitting in the room. Everyone is Sumed in. I think it was late October before the Texas Tech game that he was he was a one and done every state that has the that area said, you know, we're not even evaluating because he's either gonna come back to school or he's gonna go play major league baseball next year. And so I asked him I said where are you in the process is there any indication he's gonna come back to school has any chance of play in the NFL because I think Lincoln that he could he could play at a high level. And he said, I agree said, I think he's a I wrote that we promised each other. We wouldn't talk about till the end of the year. And that was the first time I gun any indication that he was thinking about it. But now now the news come out and said that he's declaring for the NFL draft also know scouts in addition to on full commitment. There are skeptical bunch and understandably and they're gonna dig and dig and dig to try to figure out if. He would Jim it. We tried to do this. Or is he trying to is this leverage. But is he trying to make more money because he could off of his initial contract guaranteed money. Make ten to fifteen million dollars more than that four point seven million. Euros has guaranteed by the as being a first round pick. Todd mcshay here on the rich Eisen show before the combine on because I'm thinking, maybe the as you know, are unliked enough to basically say, you know, go see if there are other fish in the sea go, so your NFL, wild oats, and then come home and let him go to the combine. And let him go there. And obviously being somebody who's sitting in that booth for four straight days on live television on the NFL network. I sure hope that happens. So that'd be great for our shows up there. And and if he can handle all the questions because that's when it would come, you know, a all forget about spending it on the field and going through the drills. I'm sure he'll be dynamited that and he'll blow away the forty yard dash line to I it's it's the meeting, it's the medical. It's the measurements. And all that. But it's the meetings at night when the coaches evaluators gonna look them in the I say, what what what gives with the as do you wanna do this or not, and he can sit there and go up down left, and right and talk about how much he loves it. But at some point he's gotta declare. And if you think it's before the combine that he's got to do that pretty darn fast. Yeah. Yeah. No, you're right. And if he gets to combine that's going to be the interesting part because as you well know, the psychologists that are in the room. It's not just the scouts and offensive coordinator head coach general manager some situations. I'm sure even an owner in this situation. But they most teams have a psychologist sitting in the room. And I think it would be fascinating. And I don't know that we'll get the answer for years. But it'd be fascinating to listen to psychologists talk about how he answered the questions, and you know, how he presented himself. If they legitimately bought the story. I mean, you can't they can't put a polygraph on them. But other than that, you're trying to do everything you can to try to figure out a few legitimately wants to do this. Because there is there is a play for leverage. And we've already heard there's reports out there about the ace fucking two major league baseball trying to get exemptions to try to figure out. As to pay him more to make sure that he comes plays for them in major league baseball. And so to me, this is one of the most fascinating pre-draft stories that I've been a part of in twenty years covering the draft. I agree with you. I agree with you Todd. So wouldn't it be great? If one of the teams like hires Robert deniro, and they have like a meet the parents they strolled into the meeting room somewhere. Sit down talk about a circle of trust. Right. You know? I know we laugh, but NFL teams would want to do that. If they were allowed. Tom mcshea here on the rich Eisen show. Who's who's number one right now your best guesses at Bosa could possibly be Haskins? How do you see this playing out shuffling now that we know who's in the mix Todd Bosa in Quinton Williams defensive tackle from Alabama? Are the two best football players in this draft. I also picked the first five teams you could look at their quarterback situation, and there's not a desperate need necessarily. Who knows you know, friend, Jon Gruden has a little bit of quarterback ADD. So you never know where that's going to go. But I think. If you look at the history, and most importantly, the recent history Cleveland couldn't trade trade up because they had the first pick. But just about every other team the last few years has traded up to get quarterback. So it won't shock me. If it's the giants moving up from six Jacksonville from seven maybe even Denver from ten if there's some movement to go up to to get a quarterback Haskins could wind up going a lot earlier than maybe people expected. But I legitimately do think. He's a cop show. I route quarterback deserves to be drafted in the top ten the more. I study of him the more. I really appreciate his game. I'd love to see more than fourteen starts. But you know, Trubisky had thirteen starts we scrutinize that. He hasn't been great. But he's been good enough. And and I think we'll go through the whole process with with Haskins. And I I I really do think when we get to the draft. There will be a lot of people that are comfortable with Haskins as a top ten pick. And who knows with Tyler teams are. Vincent wouldn't shock me. If he was in the top ten fifteen picks overall as well. Hitting isn't amazing. I mean, this wouldn't even been considered five years ago prior prior to the RPO's and the the the college offense being more. It really has. And the more coaches, I talked to and the more. You study the tape the more you have to just kinda let go of the old. You really do. It doesn't have to be six five in the pocket statue get the ball out. All those things it can't be undersized moving around creating your own passing lanes. I mean, drew Brees six foot. Russell Wilson's five. Ten three eighths inches. Baker mayfield. I mean, all of these guys that are having success. And I understand that they're still Philip rivers and Tom Brady and so on and so forth. But the game is changing to more of a spread tempo game where undersized quarterbacks can succeed in the league. And I think you're ignorant if you don't start realizing that and it probably took me a year or two too long to start realizing it then and Todd mcshay than there's to come down the pike and then Trevor Lawrence I mean, holy crap him being six six two or six five. Or whatever he might be. And we asked this question on our on our poll question after the national championship game. We asked to my colleague, and and your counterpart in Daniel, Jeremiah. I'd love to ask you the question. We we said if you could take stock over the next ten years in somebody, and we gave you Trevor Lawrence. We gave you two or anybody drafted in the twenty eighteen draft class. That's a quarterback. Who would you choose? What would you take? It would be it would be Trevor and to be totally honest with you. It would have been. I don't wanna say fifty fifty. I would have leaned Trevor before the game, but head to head watching that it was there was a clear difference. Why and step up and that stage into be nervous early? That was the other thing that really impressed me. His first three throws stared me because he you know, he's he was forcing it. He was uncomfortable. But to settle down in that stage against admitted being the best Alabama defense but defensive throw so many different looks at you. And and has so much talent. Even though it's not the best. It was really impressive to me. And I just I think that that was one of the one of the moments that you watch. It's almost like watching the Andrew luck. You know, when you're just you're so certain that if things work out healthwise, he's he's just going to be a great pro. And time will tell but I also knowing about him and sitting down and sitting down with their offense approaches about how mature he is for his age and how he's kind of he's been developed the right way. He's just he's a special, dude. And he's he's different. And I think it'll be a major surprise if he's not a very good starter in the NFL when he gets shot DJ said he still sticking with Sam darnold Todd. He wouldn't come off of that. I love fan too. Okay. So I mean, I. Yeah. Head Sam Trevor right now. All right. I'll take take forever. But I wouldn't have. I mean, I'm huge Sam guy. So maybe that's what gays was thinking about looking around the the he's thinking about the same thing. Maybe that's what he's thinking about looking around the press conference room. Should I try to get Trevor? Hey, look, that's that's what that's what everybody's thinking. Right now. We're hearing from teams are already thinking about two year out right now Todd. That's no joke while that was interesting. Do you wanna ask to ask the poll question before we let him go? What's the best football movie varsity blues? Remember the titans any given Sunday Rudy Friday night lights Bryan song. I love the show Friday night lights. Yep. I think remember the titans is the one that would make me tear up. And like get really emotional. So that would probably probably be my favorite varsity blues, though, rich, I'm disappointed. That I've never seen vanderbeek crews. I know you don't want my life, right? Yes. Todd. I'm on. I'm always honest with you, and my listeners and viewers every single day, I shoot straight. I've never seen varsity blues. So what's your what's your want? Sports movie that you're you're ashamed to admit that you haven't seen. Oh, I haven't seen. Yeah. You know, I think you see you seen them all seen them all, but I can't think of one that's like that significant that I haven't seen. She's mcshea Zora. He's he's he's more up on. It y'all. Look Todd varsity blues. How old are your kids? They're older now. Seven. Not yet. We're not ready for this. Yeah. The five year old probably shouldn't see the scene where they go all night. I got. Parenting. Todd, thanks for that validation. I appreciate that. Take care. Thanks for the call. Thank you. That's Todd mcshay mcshea thirteen on Twitter t mcshea on on Instagram football. A west Canaan may have been the opportunity of your lifetime. But I don't want your life. Courtesy Blue's rich. That's varsity blues. I don't want. You'll advocate very good eight four four zero four rich. We'll take your phone calls. What's your movie that? What's your sports movie blind spot? You could chime in on any of this to at eight four four two four. It's like I told you collar Murray is going to have to say, I'm all in on football question is is when and if he doesn't people are going to be wondering if they're being played so he can get more money from the as and major league baseball, which as you heard has people calling folks or texting folks like mcshea to find out what the apples to apples is being drafted in the first round compared to what he's currently making for the ace all of that's in the water. 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I know I just because I heard mcdonagh who did a great job with Bilas last night on the game. I heard him call it big Monday on ESPN and thought to myself, wait a minute it literally for I actually put in my brain, wait a minute. Syracuse left the big east awhile ago. They're just calling it big Monday because it's a big. I mean, that's a huge game right in Kansas Kansas by Texas after it's just big games. Now big Monday. But he put Kansas Texas, just eight big twelve game. No, it didn't just us two biggies. I did the sports center's sure they used to be doubleheaders between big ten big east big twelve those were come right. So, but it was always a big east game. That was the first one was the seven o'clock came always and they have like a late tip. And then there would be a WCC game. After the sports after the eleven o'clock sportscenter before the two AM sportscenter mount Saint Mary's or something right? That's when that's when you know, the country would learn about a bunch of players. That they would see try to have Cinderella chance in the tournament is an eleven seat or twelve seed. I do remember that. But it was always a big east game. Those were good times man big win last night. Huge. Did you see the stat? Which is the ninety no Duke at home as the number one see as team in the nation. Right. Ninety against unranked opponents until last night. Syracuse was not ranked at all there. He's not ranked. I'm sorry. I'm just looking at the top five where there will be a new number one. I imagined get totally. Yeah. Syracuse kinda up and down year. We were not ranked huge win. That's a big resumes. Accused not ranked is just means. You'll be that succeed or it's going to be just like the last two years. We're going to be on the like the last ten years right on the the last two on the bubble. And then we go on a wrong, right? You've done that it seems like that's every year, quite honestly. But definitely been the last few hands frustrate line. Williamson is just it's not fair who took the charge which which which Syracuse took charge and your goal Ajay. And he took the charge and then got hurt and didn't come back. What do you say fifty grand hundred grand how much in and take charge on cya fifteen hundred full head of steam to fifth. Yeah. He wasn't. It wasn't like it was a set play. And he made a move from the three point line full had a steel had a steep. There's little chance. Furnace. I on you to Andrew Whitworth for that. I mean by the Andrew Whitworth. I don't know if he would take charge on Zion. Big boy, he's coming in our number. Three Terry crews is coming is coming up an hour number two here on the show at sneak in a phone call Mark in Quincy, Illinois, you're here on the rich Eisen show up Mark. Thank you very much for taking my call rich. I appreciate your making it. Couple of movies. I wanted to maybe not add to the list, but then hold a special place in my heart ninety three the program. Okay, con-. Yeah. Sure. In the comedy section nineteen Ninety-one necessary roughness, Scott back Hewlett, Kathy. Ireland have the island Hector Alesando Sindbad's. You mark. Good one fella Staten outta Robert loggia the Texas State armadillos, Mark. Yeah. Nineteen Eighty-eight Johnny be good young. Anthony, Michael hall, Robert Downey. Julia here, Houma Thurman. Paul Gleason, Jennifer, Tilly, Paul Gleason. I mean, come on. I mean, Paul Gleason was the is you know, one of the all time greats clearance bakes coach just hanging out with the kids. Come for just great all Gleason one of them for breakfast club. And all that Mark. Excellent. Call. Excellent call. Thank you. Appreciate that. I have seen all of those. But I've not seen Farsi. I don't know why. I've never seen varsity blues. I've seen the alley Larder seen that I've seen. Oh, yeah. He's been on the show before. Did we ask do not ask you about that scene? Did to use a phrase of of our Friday guest, Tom Everett, Scott, it would have been ungentlemanly of me to ask that question while she in the show. I'm sorry. I've never seen. Okay. Where where that you've never seen? Remember the titans? You've never seen that. Oh, Mike, Mike. It's winning the pole. I know. I know it's like oh come on. Now. There's that I've to was on. It wasn't last week. Don't you? Remember the titans? The actual Tennessee titans. Did he remember the titans move in against the giants in MetLife celebrating touch pick off or something like that? I need to watch it. Oh, yes, you oh. That's a big titans. It's one of those. It's one of those. That's why we we watch sports Revie's. That's one of those things why we love sports type sports movie, Denzel is amazing Denzel great fantasy name, by the way. Peak denzel. Peak Denzel peak Denzel versus deep Loggins would be. Of my fantasy. Okay. 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Hour 2 - Todd McShay (02-05-20)

The Dan Patrick Show

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Hour 2 - Todd McShay (02-05-20)

"Thank you for listening to this. podcast one option available on spotify apple. PODCASTS podcast one dot com in anywhere else you podcasts. Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do and I bet it can be hard work you know what easy bundling policies with GEICO GEICO makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you're ready have so much to do around your home. GO TO GEICO DOT COM. Get a quote and see how much you can save. It's GYCO GEICO easy. Visit GEICO DOT com. Today that's GEICO DOT com once again. It's GEICO easy. Visit GEICO DOT com today GEICO dot com from the Mercedes men case. This is Dan Patrick. Our two on this Wednesday. Dan and the DANETTES. Dan Patrick Show Pete rose in the headlines. Have that story for you coming up. Dodgers Red Sox obviously in the headlines with the big deal that sent mookie Betts David price to the dodgers so they get a former cy young winner and a former. MVP vets and price in hopes of improving upon their one hundred six win total from a year ago. It's not the one hundred six wins in the regular season. You need to improve upon. It's the number of wins. You had in the postseason bets at the top of that lineup. You've got cory seager. You Got Justin. Turner Cody bellinger. Max Muncie Locks Smith. Pollick you've got a pretty potent lineup. They're as for the red sox. I guess some Fiscal Sanity entity here. I just didn't think that we needed to if I'm a red sock fan trade away guy. Who's what twenty six or twenty seven and you could build around? He's GonNa cost me a lot of money. You make a lot of money. Are you taking a year off here is that they just raise ticket prices by the way a slight raise on Monday. The Red Sox did and and then they trade mookie Betts to the dodgers dodgers needed pitching in my opinion great bat with McKee Bets. Wonderful player one of my favorite players. I go out of my way if mookie Betts and the Red Sox were playing I would watch. I thought that much of him thought he was a great player. All around and Jock Peterson gets sent down the road to the angels as they make way for. mookie Betts in that outfield eight seven seven three. DP show email address DP. Dan Patrick dot com twitter handle at DP show had a a lot of fun with Jj Watt in the first hour hosted Saturday night. Live and the Had One skit that was a little racy and he called hold ahead to his mom to give Mama heads up to tell grandma that this was going to be a little sexual nature and once that skit came on about him being a pizza delivery guy to take grandma to the bathroom. There poll question for the first hour. mclovin witty forming are you for or against fiscal sanity. So do you like it when your team overpays for a superstar. Let's go before the big contract. Fifty four percents. They let him go before. The contract people are upset. Dodger fans are upset upset with you todd wearing the dodger Jersey because you root for the cheating astros cheating astros viscous. Today was a newsy day with mookie Betts. GonNa it does not about being a fan. I had a nice dodger. Jersey just passed the information on still an astro fan. Turning my back on the astor's there's nothing to do with the Astros just wearing the dodgers because of the best. Could you stick by your cheaters. I do yes and whatever it takes stick by those astros. Are you going to change the question. Make sure which direction I don't know I didn't know if you had another suggestion there but I did remember I asked. What's the most exciting offseason thing going on right now the NBA a trade deadline the MLB hot stove or the NFL draft? And you guys I love. MLB Hot Stove. I feel like it's a better issue than the actual mlb but it's over. Why no but there was a trade last night? That was okay. Is it really over. Belli's Bryce Harper signed in late February. Well that's because they said there was collusion. But do you. Is there somebody else out there that I'm missing not really unless or the dodgers are GonNa get a pitcher. I was wondering about that. We got some tweets saying pointing out. They didn't give up anyone so they can and then mortgage the young guys for pitching. Yeah Yeah I mean you got. I don't know what the Red Sox hall is. Because it's you know you're getting minor leaguers there you got a young eighteen. Their field feels like Jd. Martinez is the next guy out in Boston. He might make too much money. But you gotta gotTa Young. There's a nucleus there. It felt like I think the red sox probably looked around and we got a bloated payroll and we're not better than the Yankees and we might not be better than the the raise and that's why they seemed hell. Oh bent on getting rid of Mukhi bet because he was going to cost them. Four hundred million dollars. Yes mclovin. We were discussing pre show. Like I really don't think buying a world series has really worked. Did all the Yankees only one one with their expensive teams. They won all those with the core four right now but they also bought it back then if you think about it that they did raise raised those prospects they were able to keep them. Not many teams are able to keep that kind of quality that kind of talent that nucleus. Because they're too expensive so the Yankees did have to spend it was just. They didn't acquire anything. They just kept what they had. Normally teams will lose those kind of prospects Tampa does it all the time. Cincinnati schnatter your Pittsburgh. They can't keep those teams together. The Yankees were able to do that. Yes mclovin yeah but the cubs were homegrown. The royals were homegrown. I'm grown the nationals. are kind of homegrown. You know I feel like and the question was. Is it really pitching in October more than anything like these. Starting you were hall hall high on coal coming to Bucy's I told you I said that. The start of the year when they see the Astros got Gary Coleman gun he is but you had to go out of your way to watch him. I watched him with Pittsburgh. And I thought this guy is a beast and then we saw Tau Grady was. Now you're putting with ver- lander and I thought man that's pretty impressive. Yup Oh there's an article from Forbes magazine that says does payroll equate winning in MLB and it says it. Doesn't it equates competitiveness. You're are more likely to be at the above. Eighty five wins. If you're a top ten in payroll but it doesn't equate necessarily world series. They said ignore the payroll of your team and look at the actual all stats of the players on the roster. Before the season and to those players acquaint winning is they said it doesn't always work out that the payroll equals world series else. Yeah I look at Giancarlo Stanton and the amount of money he cost you and the Yankees will the Yankees would like to have a couple of those back right. Jacoby Kobe Ellsbury. He's still getting paid. Is he still there. I think he's still getting paid. I think he's like twenty seven million and I don't know the last time he played but see the Yankees can make a mistake like that. How many teams in baseball can make a mistake like that very few yes because because even with all those mistakes that cost them a billion dollars you know I mean they still went to the Ale? There are still game away for your own of the series series. Yeah so I'll take that day. Oh if I'm a Yankee Fan I love the fact they spend money absolutely. If I'm a Red Sox Fan I'm going wait. Are We amid market team here. What happened to Uh-huh Uh-huh what happened in the stock market? That I don't know about how about the mets. They're still paying like all these guys go drastically wrong right. Like the mets which which franchise is paying the most players for not playing that. Don't play for them. The Knicks gotTA BE STILL PAYING Alan Houston Penny Hardaway. Yeah I'm guessing I'm guessing but you know basketball team. There's less people on the roster than a baseball team but I don't know which team is still spending the most money on players. There's who don't even play for them right. I mentioned Pete Rose News Pete. Rose has asked the Commissioner Rob Manfred and this was earlier this morning to remove his name from baseball's ineligible list which would allow him to be considered for induction into the Baseball Hall of fame so the petition was sent went. To the Commissioner's Office. It was obtained by ESPN rose and his lawyers argue. The commissioners recently opted not to punish players. Guilty of major gain. Changing rules in fractions and as a result should N.. Roses thirty and a half year ban for gambling on baseball while he was manager of the reds. Red's the lawyers say that rose's lifetime ban is quote vastly disproportionate when compared to baseball's punishment and players who took performance enhancing and drugs and the players involved in the sign stealing schemes of the 2017. Astros there cannot be one set of rules for Mr Rose and another for everyone else else. Roses Twenty page petition for Reinstatement Says No objective standard or category categorization of the rules violations. Committed by Mr. Mr Rose can distinguish his violations from those that have incurred substantially less severe penalties from Major League Baseball. Rose is seeking a meeting with the commissioner imposed rule. Twenty One d any player Umpire or club League official or employee who shall bet some whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the better has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible he would have to remove that rule from the rulebook forever to reinstate. Pete rose what the Astros. There's there's no rule that says what a specific punishment is the. This is one of the shortest rules in the entire. MLB rulebook and I'd like to know if in and And I don't have locked down proof but I certainly have. What would be circumstantial evidence that Pete Bet on baseball while Iverson player? You're trying to tell me that Pete who's been known to be a gambler that he waited till he was the manager of the reds to bet on his team every single night. I don't believe that's the case. And even if he bet on his team to win every single night. He's still betting on his team while he's a manager as a player. I believe Pete Bet on baseball. I know I'm sure Major League Baseball knows this. I my guess is is that there. Like let's just we're gonNA suspend him indefinitely. He's the ineligible list because he bet as a manager in not even get into ditty bet while he was playing did he bet against his team while he's playing. How often did he bet as a player? I just don't think you go. All of a sudden he wakes up one day and he goes. You know. I'm I'M GONNA start betting on my team. That's not how gambling works. It doesn't going back to rule twenty one. It doesn't matter Pete. Rose Bet for or against his team doesn't differentiate it doesn't matter as a player and Umpire League official or manager but it does not say anything in there he's permanently ineligible for working for an MLB ballclub. That's what he's ineligible. It has it says nothing there but being ineligible for the hall of fame ballot the Hall of fame eligibility they at the hall of fame added that in later. So it's interesting. He he could be on the hall of fame ballot without would actually be reinstated to participate in baseball. Because Baseball's hall of fame has chosen to align itself with Major League Baseball here. That's by choice. Because we've we've spoken to the hall of fame before and the hall of fame. Says we could put him on the ballot if we wanted to because it's their museum and they could do what they wanna do. They just chose to align themselves with Major League Baseball in the rules and regulations. They are so pete rose's on the outside looking in. I still maintain. Pete has gotten far or more attention. Notoriety made far more money by not being in the hall of fame. Because if you said twenty twenty five years ago Pete Rose got into the hall of fame. This isn't a story. Nobody cares. We we care because we saw pete rose plan you go. That's a hall of Famer and I'm right there with you. I went to see him. First Game I ever saw in person Pete rose mid sixties got his autograph. He didn't charge me either back then. Yancey but part of Pete. Rose's problem is that the people who actually do care about this are slowly being replaced by a bunch of people who never saw him play. That probably don't care. Well I don't know I don't know that Pete rose getting into the hall of famous really a hot button topic for a certain age group for the younger younger group. That yeah maybe so but but they can't. Those writers can't do anything major this the commissioner so the writers can go we're going to put clemens in or bonds in. They can't put Pete rose in unless he's on the ballot. Then you'd find down with these younger writers. Think about Pete rose the commissioner. I think wants to uphold the integrity of that decision by Archie Ahmadi and bud. Selig didn't WanNa go against that. Fay Vincent didn't want to go against that and this commissioner doesn't WanNa go against that either when we had had him in Washington DC when he joined us at the All Star game in the commissioner and we talked. And I don't want to compromise what we said off the air but I got the same. I'm feeling that I got from bud. Selig this is never happening while. I'm the Commissioner Baseball. It's just not Yama Club but still like thirty years ago having every every league partnering with a Casino Mlb. I'm jammer gigantic partners. I mean gambling so different now. It's but you can't be a part of something that gives gives the illusion. You're fixing a game that maybe even more so now because it's so open. Yeah but but now I would rather have vegas involved in this right then. I would where it's you know kind of offshore and who knows what's going on here shady characters where you could get to somebody. Vegas is the one that protects you know the the betting part of this the integrity of this. I did notice around Super Week. A lot of players were answering questions about spreads and like I feel like we're close. Did we talk some football players like yeah. Tell me about this betting thing. I think it's GonNa be hard to keep players from betting now because it's such a big thick now I mean. Yeah but you know you can't like I know that you could say oh you know what everybody's doing it then I wanna do it but I mean Tony Romo. Three years ago is penalized for having fantasy football August. I know now. There's a team in Vegas. Look you know. These leaves are all hypocritical. And I said this before as soon as they figure out how to make money. It'll be legal. I mean the ethics go away. This is about how do we make money. And how many years ago did I say that I said that to this audience as as soon as the leagues decide how they can divvy this up and every all these owners get their money. That's when you're going to have gambling. Legalized gambling right. Yeah mclovin I think this legalized gaming. I know it's in the open but it does rest. There's more money coming into this now. Maybe players compromise compromise happened throughout history. Yeah but it feels like Vegas closer eye on this. And if you're the league's your leagues are only gifting like you have to have somebody keeping an eye on this people keeping an eye on this. Because you're sport the integrity of your sport. The validity of your sport is based off of what you're seeing Israel. Baseball got hurt because all of a sudden. You're watching you're going. Those guys are cheating. Those guys are using steroids. Those those guys are cheating with surveillance cameras. Remember the Tim Donigi situation you know with the NBA that hurt the NBA not in a long long term but it did immediately where people went. Yep See told you those officials I think people have this conspiracy theory when it comes to officiate. Oh they're on the tick. How do they miss that? We've all thought. How did you miss that call? I don't go. I don't take that leap where I go. Yeah they're on the take doc. Oh they're cheating. Oh they want them to win. But I think that if you if you don't have that integrity then you've really lost something because then you lose the confidence in your audience. That what they're seeing is it real and there's going to be billions and billions and billions of dollars bet legally in these. He's Sport Hockey Team in Vegas. We got a football team in Vegas. The curtains been pulled back all of these owners. Oh we'll never go for its. It goes back after the BCS. Oh we'll never go for a playoff. Wait how much money can we make. Let's do a playoff here. That's what happens. These guys are phoney like like the transparency. IS THEY JUST WANNA make money. They don't care about you know we can't have gambling attention this Kelly mclovin for the NFL's NFL as long as you don't have to play football the way too far matter about that. Then you know somebody. Oh you're going to be gambling on us. We don't care if you have a gambling. They're trying to keep everything above board with the injury list. Everything by a you know the Patriots saying it's still being looked to. Yeah Yeah I don't know what they're what they found. I'm trying to find this out like what did you find. That now keeps this open. And I haven't found that we're talking about take some good offseason content by the way could could use. That could be or do now. We got enough to talk about you know Brady to the forty niners those kind of things. Yeah but that in March if he resides with a patch. We'll need another cat scandal. If you're the niners would you trade Jimmy Garoppolo for Tom Brady right now. White hot yeah I would. Yeah so can you imagine if that happened if the niners go a bill you love Jimmy. G. Will send him back. Jimmy James makes more than Tom. You know it seems like an even swamp I I love the story. I don't think there's any truth to it at all. It was sort of thrown out there by skip bayless to troll. Everybody should have finalized like it's so reactionary. I I would trade Garoppolo right right now and get Tom Brady Shannon. What do you think yes the globe? I worry that they're going to be just good enough to keep Jimmy G.. Win Twelve Games every year but not quite win. Good enough to win they. We almost won a super bowl. We stopped with this that he could have if they had to first downs. They win the Super Bowl I know. Are you confident that he's going to get him back. They're confident I'm not confident. That mahomes will get back there as much as I love him and they got talent there. It's really hard to get back back there and then win again. It's been fifteen years since we've had back to back mclovin it's like you mentioned bill. O'Brien earlier to Shawn Watson. It's GONNA get eleven wins every year till eternity but you're never gonNA win a super bowl. We Bill Brian is coach. It's like the good limbo in the NFL. Oh against the grain is back that was very against the grain. I love it all right. We'll take a break here. I want to read some of the tweets. Some of the tweets that I can read from Bengal fans are upset at me yesterday because I had the audacity to todd mcshay joining us next right. Yeah we got time. Oh okay so we'll get todd mcshay. He's got his mock draft out and and I want to know the team is at the lions or the giants. That could be the gatekeeper to do. You WanNa come up and get a quarterback. Is Anybody going to go up and get to. Can anybody. Go Get Joe Borough. That's what I'm curious about with todd. So we'll we'll talk to him. And I'll read these mean tweets from Bengal fans headed in my direction. Twenty one after the hour. This is the Dan Patrick Show. Hey it's Paulie paps for the Dan Patrick Show. We've got an awesome podcast to tell you about today. It's the big podcast the shock of course. It's big tune in every week a shack and his crew covers sports entertainment and a lot more shack. That's the only way the diesel does it. The show is full of laughs and amazing story. 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That's going to be competing for super bowls. Okay that's on Cincinnati at least not now and historically all right so so I got bashed by Bengal fans. Here's a few of them. Dan mentioned quarterbacks from twenty-five years ago as a reason since he's had two quarterbacks in fifteen eighteen years where was all this. Don't go to that team talk when Cleveland took Baker if you would have said to me. Hey Hey you have. You talked to Baker Mayfield. I'd say be be wary of going to the Cleveland browns certainly with that ownership. But I didn't talk about him forcing a trade. I don't know how what leverage he had the brown surprise a lot of people. I'm the one that told you. They were taken Baker before anybody else did so I heard that he was moving up and the browns loved Abdu. But if I'm JOE BOROUGH DO I WanNa go to Cincinnati right now. Cleveland has more talent there than Cincinnati has. In my opinion they had add some pieces on defense and felt like they had some offensive weapons as well and it felt like that might have been a better situation. Didn't like the coaching situation. Not Sure The the Bengals coaching situation right now. And if you're a Bengal Fan you're not sure either. Here's another one. Are you confused. How the draft works? Why have thirty two teams then? If all the good players players went to all the good teams then. What's the point? There are certain situations where quarterbacks have forced their way out of a situation. You think he I'm alive manning's happy did it. Do you think John Elway happy did it. They got one chance if Joe Borough was coming out of high school any of three hats in front of him are one of those three hats. Cincinnati bengals and. The answer is no. I love the draft. That you get a chance to to restock but you know. Cincinnati is not going to be competing for a little while in my opinion. That's all I have nothing against Cincinnati. Love the city where I grew up. But it's not about the city. I'm just looking if the bengals stock I mean I'm down onto his hand allies in the stop there. Here's another one. I Love Hell. Dan References the dolphins is a model franchise where Joe Borough will likely win and succeed exceed. What decade is Dan? Exactly living in Miami is A. QB Spin Cycle with two playoff appearances in the last eighteen years. Last time I checked on Sheila is on the silent. Well first of all. I didn't say that remodel franchise. Because they're not but I looked at how Brian Floor has got them to play. They got a lot of. They got a lot of draft picks here. And even when I brought up Miami Joe Borough go back and look at it is is lit up like like. Yeah Yeah I could go there Bryan. Flora's appears to be a good coach there for this team and I'm not talking about different decade here where Dan Marino was there don Shula. Here's another one. Come on guys all all those guys. You mentioned mentioned playing for the Bengals next year. It burrows a franchise quarterback he'll flourish with Green Boyd Mixing Gio etc.. This is low hanging fruit to take shots at the bengals knowing they. They won't fire back in the media. I wasn't concerned about that even if they did. Are you sure that. Aj Green is going to be healthy enough to play for you mixing g were Nice. Complimentary backfield fine. What do we have at tight in? Aj Green going to be healthy here. Here's another one to me. Nobody in the national media wants the BENGALS team. Where do you come up with that if the if the bengals go to the Super Bowl in the next three years? That's a great story if Jonesboro leaves them great. I'm happy for you. This is just analysis. It's not personal. Here's another Mr Patrick. The bengals made the the playoffs five straight years from two thousand eleven to twenty fifteen with Andy Dalton if you look at the past decade none of the other teams drafting in the top five or even closed close Miami Washington and and the jets have been bad giants not much better recently. So why are you getting rid of anti-doping Howell Danny Dalton. Thirty one thirty two thirty one. So WanNA keep antidote. I mean how about you trade the pick keypad Dalton get chase face young. Something I don't know and it's nothing I grew up a bengals fan went to games where all all the fans by the way the Bengals Games. That's curious about to everybody. Loves the BENGALS. And they're all in on this team and the young talent coach and all right. You should be packing the place Jacksonville. I'm not rooting for Jacksonville to leave. I'm just telling you what I was told years ago and I I told you and it's happening now. You got two games in London. Do you think they're stopping it too. I don't bringing todd mcshay. ESPN NFL draft analyst. Come on in. Todd how are you. You're a workup this morning Well you know being from Cincinnati. People think that you know you kick us when we're down. I'm just analyzing the situation. And let's say you're Joe Boroughs Age. What would you tell your your client right now? What would you consider personally I I would tell them just to get drafted where you're drafted and go play? Okay okay but I I. I could understand if if you looked at the big picture and tried to tried to force something else. I don't think it's going to happen though. I really don't especially with Joe being from the State of Ohio I think I think I mean think about a year ago I had him as a fourth fifth round round pick and he he was transferring to Lsu and he felt fortunate to just get from Ohio States L. Shoe he was fifth on the depth Chart Ohio state and now to to have the opportunity to be the first overall pick and to be a player. That's going to wind up getting guaranteed thirty three thirty four million dollars over the next five years. I kind of doesn't matter where you go and if especially if you're going to be in the state that you grew up in I I think he should take some pride in that in and go and try to be the guy that turns around the Bengals and brings them to you know back to the playoffs and it had had success with them. But who knows what's going to happen and I'm all for that though. Todd I hope he I hope he honors that and goes number one and goes to Cincinnati. I I mean I I like that. I admire that if you WANNA go when you want to start something you would create something you want to build something on all for that. It's just I don't know what his mindset is. I don't know what you know. The people behind him or Sue Steinberg or going. Yeah of course he gonNA go there. I don't know what they're thinking thinking. I'm just I'm wondering. Is there a team that would want to go up and get Joe Borough. Is there a team with the draft capital. That would say we're going to can. Would Miami. Go go up and get in. Miami's interesting 'cause they've got three picks in the first round obviously so they have the capital to do it. But if you're if you're the bengals angles. Why do you make that deal? And I thought about this last night. Because I mean Ev. Everyone knows that they try to save money right right and they and they try to run it as a business and make money off of this organization and and apparently making money is is just as important if not more important than then then winning so if you have a quarterback that you can pay thirty three thirty four million dollars over the next five years versus you know some guys who are making thirty million close to a year you know so I I don't know why you just don't stay at home at number one and take Jonesboro borough and and see where it goes from there and hope. Hopefully we can bring you a lot of success. Why move back and then play around with it? Then wind up with three first round picks or two first round picks in the second round. Pick whatever the deal would be and and still not have your quarterback so if I'm the bengals the only thing comed- it makes sense is to draft Joe Borough and you know when teams talk about. Well they got a lot of draft picks. I WANNA know who's making the picks. There's only one Ozzie. Is He knew some here. And you can have these draft picks like the Cleveland Browns. Boy they got all these draft picks and then they didn't do well with those draft picks. That's where where I would get nervous even with Miami. It feels like they may have something there with their coq head coach Bryan floors and they played hard for him. They got rid of their big stick. You you know big ticket items there now. What are you going to do with the draft? You know so I I understand you know sort of this scenario with a lot of these teams but just because you got great draft picks doesn't mean you're GonNa have a great football team through but I think Miami's tough features because of the market but But I but fours is a really good coach and and Chris greer is a really good evaluator and so I think they have the right people in place to to try to put it together. You're picking at five. And maybe you get to Tonga by low at that spot if he medically checked out and then you've got two more picks let you know later in the first round. This is an opportunity as an organization to turn things around. And the raiders are in the same the same place rather have the bengals future or the Dolphins Future I would rather have have the dolphins future got yeah If because of the people the people making the decisions and knowing that the the the people in Miami want to win and they want to spend money and they want to do the right things. And you've got three first round picks we're talking to todd mcshay as latest mock draft two point Oh now available on ESPN plus. If two it was healthy. It'd be a great debate. It would be a great debate. Dan I mean it really would be i. I personally would take two over Joe if if there was no medical concerns if they were both clean medically I really would I mean he he is. He's drew brees from the left side. That's what he is. And who wouldn't take breeze number one the Go-to you know. He's just but what I'm concerned about is and what everyone in the League is concerned about. And I spent a week at the senior bowl talking talking to GM's and and head coaches and scouts and everyone else and medical people the concern is and nobody knows you can. Ah Anyone who tells you that they know what the answer is right now is like nobody knows how he's going to recover because he's he's young enough to recover. But this is an injury that I could take a while and it could also six seven years down the road it could be degenerative. So is he going to be the same name. Quick twitch athlete that he was at our Bama when he was playing at the highest level. And he's able to be to be healthy and available you. You know availability. We always talked about that. It's it's the most important ability but if he does get back to that you're talking about so one of the best quarterback prospect we've seen in the last five six years coming out of the draft in terms of accuracy efficiency and in in today's game just quickly processing knowing where to go with the football and being able to move around and create passing windows. I drew brees. Is the perfect topic for him. But is he going to get back to that because the hip is is just such a big big concern. I'll leave you with this question. Question the team between Detroit and New York that may move down to allow somebody to go up and get to Because it feels like it's been Miami. That was going to do and nobody is going to play their cards and show you their cards but is is somebody moving up to get somebody I don't so I think since he's GonNa sit sit. Who Centre home? I think they should and just take jober. I think it to the redskins are they're just gonNa take chase young and that's exactly what they should do you know he's the best player in this year's draft then Detroit would be the team to me if there was interest from. Let's say the dolphins at five the chargers at six the panthers at seven Even going all the way down to I don't know the colts sit thirteen The buccaneers at fourteen. I think if you're the lions you're and you're not looking to to draft a quarterback back and I don't think that they need to at this point. I think that number three spot is the most interesting because you can get ahead of the dolphins and go basically line yourself up to get to if the medical report is right. And that's the guy you believe in and the other thing is I don't. I'm not a huge Justin Herbert Fan. But I've talked to enough general managers and head coaches league that really like the Oregon quarterback because of his size and his ability ability to to be developed and his intelligence and everything that he brings to the table There are some teams that that really like him and I think I do you know how it goes. All three of these guys are going to be off the board and the top ten when it's all said and done a lot of time before then though that that's The fun part of all of this. You got a few more mock drafts don't you. Yeah Kuyper keeps adding. I think we're GONNA like nine point. Oh uh-huh draft every single day. It drives me nuts. I heard you guys should put money in a pool like like like five thousand dollars ars ORCA and most wins like five thousand dollars for charity. Most correct picks in the first time. So make it interesting where there's something attached edge to it. That's a great idea. We're going to do that here. You go we're stuart. Scott I I get I get right all right. We'll pick our own charities and that's what we're GONNA do done. That's that's the best idea. I've heard all week there. You Go. Why do is give thank you? Thank you take your. That's todd mcshay. I don't know Melkite Bruce. got that kind of money. Oh he I think he spends it all on hair. Product is wife cuts his hair so he doesn't spend any money they're all right. We'll take a break here. We'll come back to your phone calls after this here on the Dan Patrick Show hey listeners. Just wanted to take a minute to thank all our great sponsors and all of you great listeners for supporting this podcast cast. 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Somebody's getting you know giving you a hip Checker jacker sticking a stick in your face or something like that or trip area but the two goalies. At what point do you go. Hey you WANNA fight. How do you get that message down to him? Because then all of a sudden they meet at center ice and then it's go time there. There's one of the two just starts skating a little out of the crease. And and that's like the announcement of we're going. You WanNa go. Oh you WANNA go. Would you like to go then. Excuse me would you like to go. Would you mind going knowing your and then one of the goalies tries to go for a body blow bad mistake like who goes to the gut. Like I'm guessing. goalies always have some hockey pads underneath here. And you're going for a belly shot with body shot. Oh my God. It was so bad than the other goal is like you just open the door. And I'm GONNA the pound. Your fats are the tides turned another thirty or forty bodies shots. He would've got his hands lower. I got one in something like that. Now he's lowering his hands now. I've got him right I think he thought he was getting points with the judges on. You know connecting with body blows. They're not good. I had a couple of phone calls Aaron in Dayton Jones's higher I earn. What's on your mind today? Hey you guys are talking about for. I live in Dayton Cincinnati area here. And he's no better. The bengals have been a dumpster or fire for three decades. He should not the WANNA play here in. You know somebody around town is buying billboards up and down seventy five right right after. LSU's Lynn Congratulations Joe Borough. They're trying to woo him here. And you have. Who's got the draft capital the Raiders Khalil? Mack trade. They have two first round picks a second round pick. I've loved Chucky. Take Borough and put him under his wing and you know it makes him something great instead of Keely Smith Heart. You know car to all right. Well thank you thank you. Yeah I was there for the Achilles Smith Era Error David Klingler Dalton. You Got Dalton and Andy was second round pick mclovin yeah came in with. Aj Green. Yeah and he came out of. TCU At the Big Rose Bowl performance against jj watt and and Wisconsin. I and I've had Bengal fans say. Hey Look at Dalton did for five consecutive years and you're moving on from Dolton okay so you did make the playoffs. But I. I don't know if you look at that team right now and save boy. They just underachieve that they're really five or six win team. I don't know yeah mclovin. They had some good players but never they couldn't keep everyone healthy. Aj Green iphone was so promising and Gino Atkins got hurt a couple of times but AJ Green. I mean I think it's a free agent. It doesn't feel like he should go to patriots team or somebody who can win bees not gonna win even with borough. We don't stay healthy. Yeah and as great as he's been Dan you just can't count on him and I think mixing and Geo or nice running backs. I don't think they're great running backs but are you even sold on in your head coach right now and. I don't think you can say that. But if you're the bengals so I mean I would take I wear but I would listen. Listen to an offer. Somebody may give you something crazy. You know we look at these teams in the eagles. Did they do the right thing. They got Carson Wentz. They got their franchise quarterback quarterback. Texans moved up the chiefs moved up Trying to think the rams moved up no did you get your guy but then the bears moved up mclovin. Did you agree with mcshea. By the way about. He would take to over. Borough healthy healthy to overburden. It's pure hypothetical completely healthy. Yes well we don't have enough time for it now but that those three first rounders from the dolphins sure it has to. I mean that's pretty. 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Nick Bosa

"The. Developing story today on college football, live, Ohio State defensive fen. Nick Bosa has withdrawn from school to focus on preparation for the NFL. The junior, all American has been rehabbing since surgery on September. Twentieth here's urban Meyer earlier today. Very emotional. We love Nikki's that Bosa family's been obviously. Possum for a hostile in the program, and Nick is first class guys. He's a very strong as fade these very strong and academically, and and so it was very emotional, deprives it all that that was his is choice not come back. I was hopeful like all of us were, but I can't say it was that surprise. Chris, Connor on this show today with me, David Pollock along with Todd mcshay, and he's been rehabbing from that dominant injury that he suffered on September fifteenth. And you heard from coach show Meyer saying he was hopeful that he'd be able to come back David. Were you surprised about the announcement today? Yeah, I was very surprised. I just and Todd, I know we evaluate all these guys and we look at them. And I say one thing about Nick Bosa when I watch him play do loves the game. He plays hard. He plays with a lot of effort. You can tell he cares about the game of football, not everybody is like that. Okay. That is something that is unique to college football. There's very few people that you can tell love it and eat it and breathe it, and he's one of those cats. So I thought that there was a chance he could come back. He might, but you never know the extent of what's going on with the injury. You never know where he's at and he's making a decision that's best for him. And I don't know all the details about how is domino area is. When when Greg Shapiro texted me, our producer and said, you know, this is the case. This is what just happened. I was surprised originally, and I think it's because of that is because he loves the game. He plays it just like his brother plays it just all out. One hundred percent wants to compete wants to every single down dominate, but then you take a kind of a step back in you just evaluate it from any player standpoint. It's not good for college football and I'm not. I don't love this, but I understand you're looking at a thirty million dollar decision guaranteed money. If he's the first overall pick, it's nearly thirty million dollars. He's played thirty games and so there's plenty of tape out there. So I understand him wanting to make sure he's right in order to go on and get paid at the next level instead of playing without getting paid at this point. So I understand from his standpoint, but to answer your question. Yeah, it was surprised because it was Bosa politics yourself back to your days in Athens, Georgia. You're an all American defense. Ben, you've got a big payday looming at the NFL level. What if this happened to you? What if you've gone domino Lynch meet and you were thinking about coming back or thinking about going to the next level, what do you do? Not everybody's created the same. So you're asking me what I would do. I was a guy that was projected just as high as junior is I was senior, and I came back from my senior year to win a championship. I think back in the day and that's when you know you're getting a little bit older back in the day. He was you were big about your team man, and I was about trying to win a championship and so I would have come back and I would have fought and I would have done everything I could to try to help Georgia and no matter what timetable that was that doesn't make Bose's decision, right or wrong. I'm just telling you what I would have done. Well, let's bring in Bill junior. Ju. I was just say he, you know, he was the try. Hard guy was at work hard, not a great athlete. Could. The grinds to this day. Mcshea still had to bring that up. He had to get that one in before we brought him. Mill may echo those exact sediments. Right. I'm not involved in this conversation. Well, I think about his Bose's you know, the way he's viewed for the next level. I mean the last time NFL player personnel folks him on the field. He was being helped off of it. So the fact that he's decided now not to play anymore at Ohio State, not to play anymore at the college level. In the last image we have of him as being hurt. Does that hurt him at all in terms of the evaluation, the next level, not at all, Chris, and guys, I would have been surprised if he did come back people mind as a senior in high school. He had a knee injury ICL. Now this injury now the surgery, September twentieth he comes back, say for Michigan or the playoff games. It gets hurt. Then all of a sudden it puts it puts a risk as the weather. He would be ready for the season. Then you say, you look at Jaylen Smith heard ironically against Ohio State Notre Dame linebacker and their bowl. We were talking about third ranting about going second round rather than the top five top ten overall, I think it was a automatic commonsense business decision. I think if I'm the Bosa family, I'm saying. The next injury, my son or my brother has, or I have if I'm Nick Boza the next injury, I and hopefully any. But if I do have another injury, it's going to be as professional as a multi millionaire, not as an amateur college football player, and I think Mel, you look at it if your general manager and if you're being honest, I, I don't think anyone would go on record saying it, but if you're being honest, you probably would rather know that he shut it down at this point. Then come back and compete. Now people will say, what does it say about as competitive temperament? Does he love the game? We know loves the game. We're David was just saying, watch the tape. This guy plays his heart as anyone in the country. But what what you have to look at it and say is I would rather him shut it down. Then go play two, three more games and potentially have risk of nother injury or something happening. So I think he's the first overall prospect. I'm not saying he's going to be the number one overall pick. It depends on the team. Could be the Buffalo Bills who knows. But when it's all said and done, I still think he's easily top five pick and it won't surprise me. At all, given this quarterback class, if he's the number one overall, pick in this class? Well, I think it's interesting because I think fans immediate reaction or people that don't around the game. They go wait, he's not competing. That's should hurt him at the next level. Here's what scouts care about. Can you help my team win? It's not like this kid has a character issue. It's not like he's lazy. It's not like he doesn't play hard. It's not like he doesn't have all out in the world. The back it up. It's an injury. So yeah, they don't give a crap. This kid is going to be a top five pick. He's going to be a monster at the next level as well. So there is zero impact on his draft stock. Yeah, Leonard fournette then playing a ballgame. Christian McCaffrey didn't play into Mogens that it hurt their stock. There were talking about your avion cloudy. Why play when you're already guaranteed this? Remember that? Did he took early on that block against this, shut it down then. So it's a million though. It would have been a bad businesses to come back and play. This was a tremendous business decision to shut it that will have no impact. You could be one bet you inside. I should say Houston what the outside guy take Bosa now. Now you said these. Yeah, Mel said business decision, you're talking in a fill. If you're a kid and you're fighting for your team and the team is something that's more important than your future and listen, all of us worry about ourselves and all of us worry about our future, but I can tell you, I think there's a lot of people to that also fight with everything they have in them for their team, and there's some people that make businesses there is a difference between fighting for your team and making a business decision. And there's also I was going to say, this is about a half of a percent of the college football players that maybe are in this position to make this kind of decision. When you start to mention those names, you're talking about top five, top ten picks guaranteed twenty to twenty five, maybe twenty nine million dollars in money and everybody else you gotta come back and play. If you're lucky enough fortunate enough to be in that half of a percentage than I understand you making a business decision like this melt. Thanks for joining us today. Go to have you for a couple of minutes. You gotta go. Mill. God work hard guy. David while we're talking about Ohio State though, I think it certainly is we're talking about about this team. I mean, look at them over the last couple of weeks defensively against Indiana against Minnesota. They an-and Lou great on, say football, yeah. And then we were thinking, hey, at least they're going to get both of back soon. Doesn't look that way. They're not going to get back at all. So how does that affect their chances moving forward? I thought they were team that could one of the couple teams that you would pick to say they can win a national title. I don't think they can win a national title without Nick boasts. I think when you look at their defense, they're big play prone. I think there's the second level their linebackers continue to make mistakes that hurt the defense of live. But I think the depth of listen, they still got dudes. I mean, talking still go down the list of guys that are on this defense that are going to be high draft picks the defensive tackle defensive end chases still there who's a freak show out wide. That's going to be an animal for a long time. It come, but the depth of the d. line, the best player in the country, losing losing his opportunity to be. In there. I don't think they can win a national title now. I tend to agree with you and I, it's, it's been interesting watching state the last few weeks. What's going on early on? Why are we so slow? And yes, you make adjustments and things are fine. Defensively things were good offensively early on and they continue to move the football. But really right now, if you look at it, I think Haskins in the passing game are the only real true championship level aspects of this football team. And that's scary when you're talking about, you know, inconsistent special teams, inconsistent defense, inconsistent to below average run game. Something seems to be missing here even though they've got the record. I see it, seven, four, no, got it. But things are going to get really dicey, maybe not at Purdue, but you've got Michigan state on the road. You got Michigan at home at the end of the season. We'll see how it plays out, but this does not feel like a team that's playing at that top two or three in the in the country type level. Yet maybe at Purdue though you think about what David Blaustein able to do, they can put points. On the board. I know it's not the, you know, like playing against Michigan or playing at Happy Valley, but Ross eight stadium is not as easy a place to go in and win as it used to be. All right. When we come back on college football, live winners and losers from the weekend chaos in the SEC. That's winners for all of us. College football fans in the battle for the Paul Bunyan trophy this weekend on a sudden takes on a whole new meaning coming up on college football live. Leauge football. Live is Bronte by AllState reminding you that football season is mayhem. I'm a robot vacuum cleaner. So yeah, I got one gig. I suck up dirt support. My inferiority complex about Geico who does so much more like not only could they save their customers money on car insurance, but they got fast and friendly claim service to and in a ward winning mobile plus access to licensed agents, twenty four, seven, who am I kidding? I can't even do corners, choking hazard. Geico expect great savings and whole lot more. Loves it. Left sideline caught. Nineteen seconds. The first thing you question is, didn't we get over the loss from the previous game? Another Tober here. As the number six, Virginia dominated Beckett worst-off into perform sexy. Dagger. It was. Four weekend today was thrown out the kids and saying that we think we added. We didn't go talking. Weekend full of winners and losers in college. Football coach, oh, LSU. Big time winner. The chaos in the SEC now with everybody beating each other up other than Alabama. David, I think makes it a winner for all of us. College football fans can LSU. Now, are they the team in the SEC that can beat Alabama? Is that possible? Well, the they're the big winners of the weekend, and here's what I, what I see what I see. LSU LSU reminds me of the Obama team's. They remind me the Bama teams world championship years ago. It is phenomenal. Defense run the football and enough quarterback play to win and to keep you honest, that's what LSU looks like to me. Can they beat everybody else? Probably not. I mean, and I say that because bam's is going to be on the schedule, and that's going to be tough because you gotta outscore bam, and you've got to put a lot of points on the board, but LSU has shut everybody up the season and just continue to win big games kudos LSU. Dave. I think this team matches up with Alabama as well as anyone in the country now, does it match up well enough, probably not. But as you get him at home and be more importantly, I think it's the only team in the country. When you talk about their secondary, starting with greedy Williams at the cornerback spot can actually play press coverage. And if you know you've watched the tape. The free access off the line of scrimmage, the seven yards before left the deal with the cornerback stealing. And then if you try to jump around and how quick and fast these guys are the receivers for and I just had Alabama. If you look at Gerry Judy, all the way down, they had four or five guys that can be anyone in man to man coverage. If you play off, if you play physical and challenge them, I think you got a chance. I watched them against ole miss. I had that game, and these corners for for LSU actually got in the face of the star wide receivers, you know, and we're physical with them and kind of took them out of their game. I think that's the biggest reason in my opinion that they have shot because that's what separates Alabama's the passing attack from every other team in the country right now that gay. Got her. Make sure you counter make sure you get your FBI mentioned right here because apparently LSU has three percent chance. So let's let's just get our numbers in there. Well, I'm gonna save with time. That's coming up later, but that game by the third in Baton Rouge LSU in Alabama. You know, you think about the four quarterbacks that were in the playoff game last year, right? Baker's doing this thing with the Browns right now you have Bryant, transferring hurts is on the bench that leaves us with Jake Frahm is the only one starting go those four quarterbacks that played in the playoff Todd, how long is he going to start for them? Because there's a lot of chatter going on right now in Georgia that maybe it's time to see Justin fields. This is a tough call. This really is I think, FRANZ coming off his worst game ever. But I think he also have to take a step back from the situation and see, you know. You know, what do we have? I don't know what we have in fields. If they in practice SIA quarterback, who's getting in and out of, you know, in and out of the huddle in and out of his pre snap reads knows what he's doing then. Great. I've seen him even just warming up in a game, and I was like, oh, this guy's on it looks different, but but right at the looks different. So the timing I think is relatively good because you have a week to prepare and get him ready, but. You have to be there everyday in practice to really know what you have feels and mentally is he ready to handle this? I think if he is then yes, this is this is the time to give them a shot. Jake from is a great quarterback. Jake femme reminds me of David, Greene, Jake from is a guy that does not going to turn the football over. He's not going to beat you. Can he make the necessary place in the LSU game he showed you. He couldn't in the Rose Bowl watcher. He showed you could in the national championship. He shows you could write this team. Offensively is not as good as it was a year ago. If you put from an fields into this lineup, right now you're running game goes from good to great just by doing zone Rio. You get more space. The offense of line makes it easier, but you're right, Todd, how many times can you get you in a good place? Because that's the biggest thing. Can you come up to the line of scrimmage with two plays and run the correct one? Can you not turn the ball over because your defense is going to be pretty solid? So this isn't an easy decision. I don't envy curvy smart and Georgia because they think it's going to be tough. But I think if you're going to, I think you're gonna see. More Justin fields, but here's the thing every Georgia fan screamed on Saturday. If you're going to put Justin fields in the game, don't run wild. Cat with him. Don't just run the football run the zone Reed. Ludden throw the football, let it be a quarterback because this guy is not just a wild cat. I can promise you that. Yeah. Well, you know, when you look back on Saturday and other winner on the day was America's oven bit. I'm talking about Michigan, both Michigan state in Michigan setting up a great rivalry game this weekend in east Lansing, but David is Michigan now maybe even more so than they were early on in the year. Real player in your mind as far as a potential playoff berth is concerned. Yeah, they're in the mix. I mean, I think there's a lot of teams in the mix. I mean, if you listen to all of our analysts for God's sakes, everybody's going to run the table and go undefeated, which is a bunch of bowl because it never happens, but we want to put four undefeated teams in the college football playoff. They're a one loss team that are going to have a lot of gripe at the end of the season, early in the season shape. Patterson was just breaking in, you know, at Notre Dame, a tough test beat, run the table, beat Ohio State. Win the big ten there in there's no doubt about it. If they run the table there in the college football, playoff, they look better. They look more complete ofensive Lii is that the competition they've been pointed. I think we're gonna find out down the stretch and see how much better they really are. How much better is the competition gonna beat in Wisconsin. That's my question. Maybe a little bit there in Columbus. It will be. I don't think that's a battered, Wisconsin team that wasn't a good Wisconsin team defensive beat up, but I will say this, having covered them Michigan last week shape. Patterson, starting to figure things out. He's starting to gain some confidence corron Higdon his head. I think eighty four carries the last few weeks. They've got Nico Collins to solve their number four. It was starting to emerge as a playmaker and the defense. There's been no question about this defense from the start Dom Brown's group is among the top three or four in terms of defensive units in the entire country. All right. I got another winner for you, Oregon. The Pac twelve is not done yet. Hey, mcshea shave. You bought back some of the new you. Sold last week when you were done with the Pac, twelve. Well, I'm not great at the stock market, but you can't. You can't. You can't sell and buy. So I I can't, but if we're getting off the stock market. Yeah, I, I think Oregon's got a shot Herbert's Herbert's making. How about that? Throw rolling? Who was less? I mean, he's pretty sick time play it. You know it was a close game playing at home. I think at the end of the day, if Notre Dame gets in, then we'll see the Pac twelve and the big twelve. Both out of this thing when it's all said and done. Go ahead Pollock throat, looking at throw got through square shoulders and throw seed to the side. Listen Oregon to me that they have a mulligan. If we're going to look at Mulligan's, they won the Stanford game. They gave it away. They gagged it away. I think it's easy to sit there and go if I'm a playoff committee and I'm deciding between two teams I can go. They should have won the ball game. They really listen. Organ is more physical than they've been in years. The offense of wind. Got banged up in this ball game and they still ran the football. I think I think they're dangerous team coming down the stretch. If they can continue to win, they'll have a really good shot to be in, but it's still they're still going to have to take care of business and they're still going to have to play good, and they're going to have to look good down the stretch to do it. Right. Ready for this one. Pollock ESPN. Victor has zero point one percent chance for Oregon to make the playoff zero. That's so's you how bad that thing is. That's just stupid. Cents. If they run the table in there at one loss team in everybody else's lose as children. Give me one. Listen next losers that's bad Molin and Derek Mason having to go at it on Saturday. I can't stand it when he said, I can't say what he's saying. I'm not surprised by the way that Grantham started. That's not shocking it all the way he pops off, but I there Mason coming way on that other side of the field, you gotta be careful with that. You can't go all the way over there and run your mouth. That's tough. Man. Come on now. I was working on couldn't hear the volume, and I knew exactly what it was said. Yes. Hey, who you got the cage match, Derek Mason, her Dan Mullen. Yeah, no question about it, but he's he's working out and you had lawyer downtown. He's gonna. He's tiny dick Mason, but I think he'd wear them out. Yeah, this week's Capital One fan, voting Georges loss. Who's your pick for number two in the country? Todd, LSU Clemson, Notre Dame, Ohio State those four choices who number two. Now with post gone. I'm going Clemson, make it nice insured. I know run out of town. All right. If you wanna get involved, go to Twitter dot com forward slash sportscenter. Check out this week's Capital. One fan vote, right? No rest for the best. Shoot, Nick Sabin rest to with LSU coming up in three weeks in a by throat in there as well. We'll talk about that next. Local. We've got on Saturday day starting with sportscenter at seven AM college game day. Then from laws zoo followed by three, the best college football games going LeBron's, regular season debut against the rockets and prime time, and we'll capital off with yet another sportscenter awesome day on Saturday. And speaking of which one of those games three thirty on ESPN. It's the two on beans in the ACC very underrated game here. NC state can pull off this upset and death valley. It'll be huge, three thirty on ESPN. This resulted performance presented by BMW Shula Tonga via low. Threw three touchdown passes zero picks what else is new tide ruled Mizzou. Thirty nine ten. He did though re aggravate that right knee injury that he suffered against Arkansas. So that's a little bit of a concern. As we head here into the week, preparing for their next game, northwest mutual planning for success. Nick Sabin on planning. Pretend to see this week with a bang of quarterback. To hasn't missed a day of practice could have gone back in a game. Like I said, I probably better this week than he was last week, so just see how he doesn't practice and continue to evaluate. And as long as a medical staff clears them, we'll keep working him to try to get ready to play a game. Policy rest of this week with a BI week before LSU or not. Why even practicing is my question. This is Nick is notorious for this by the way you earn your practice time, you earn your game time, but to I'd sit him out this week by week and make sure he's healthy Todd has. No, he wasn't right the entire night system.

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"Eight and you know, got guys like TJ wore like you've got a team in front of you. And you know, what it is? And yes, Robert server is a bad owner in some terrible someone's as a lunatic. But the the ownership with the Lakers has not look stabily front office. Neither one of them is looks stable lately. But with the Lakers, the only thing you really know for sure that you're signing up for LeBron. And that's it. So you have a better idea of what you're getting into with Phoenix. Just in terms of the team that's in front of you. And that might actually end up breaking the tie. Plus, you might also just feel like they're gonna hire Tyler anyway. So I should just take the job that I think is in front of me. Yeah. Look, I said I don't like Monty as the head coach for a number of reasons. I think money is a great guy a great communicator. Right. And I think that makes him a really good lead assistant. Okay. But I've talked to enough people around the this. For people who have been around those teams covered those teams that he coached and a lot of them say the same things, which is he leaves a lot to be desired schematically, right? And the NBA's changed a ton since he coach. Oh, yeah. I mean, he the last time he coach was two thousand fifteen which is only four years ago. But the last four years in the NBA, you might as well be like the last twenty four years the way things have drained in in that time since Monty Williams was last a head coach. So I think that when I look at money like I almost feel like for the Lakers. If he does take the sun's job blessing in disguise perjury. Oh, yeah. I'm with you all things being equal Tyler who's the guy that I think makes the most sense beyond just being the best candidate. And also to it seems like Tyler who wants this job. It does not feel like there's any competition to get Tyler do which I mean, I I don't mean that, you know, dismissively against him. But nobody else seems to be going after him. So the Lakers seem to have this in their laps if they want it, and it seems like they want it. Yeah. And look I thought Mark Stein said this best on Twitter last night. Which is basically you've got LeBron for a couple more years. Right. Like, you know, make him happy. Right. You you need him to be happy and engaged. So just give him the guy that you know, has gotten some the best out of him. Yeah. I mean as long as like we were talking about before. John and Stephen purgatory as long as Tyler who is not a guy that you. Otherwise would never hire. Like, if you're if you're taking these interviews and going don't love this. But I know he's LeBron's guy. Like that. Right. Bad reason. If if that's the only reason you'd hire him, but there's been no indication. That's the case. I don't know why that would be the case, you know, if you ask a roundabout tie. He's got a lot of respect around the league, and again Tykes he makes sense with LeBron. It's a clean fit, and they don't have time to screw around. They already right there. One year, you're on the clock for sure and that to me is just the most important thing. And I know Laker fans like we don't want to to LeBron. And clearly as Ramona has pointed out that is indeed the case, right? Like when Ramona says it I feel like it's pretty much Aspel in that scenario. Right. So man, but you know, this notion that you're not cow towing. Lebron? I mean may again luck with that cow to me. How is you're bringing in a guy that you don't believe in at all just to make LeBron happy like doing things that you otherwise would not do at all to make LeBron happy that's kowtowing bringing in a guy that you think is a good coach that happens to be the cleanest fit that to me is kowtowing. That's just the reality your situation. It really is kind of amazing that this thing is kind of dragged on as long as it has. And look, maybe it's dry. Act on because Ma maybe money is the lead guy, and maybe Montes trying to figure out this Philly thing, right? And just trying to see. Well, what Brett gets like, oh, I'd like to kind of stay here. I've got two young stars in place and a right. I mean, it's a better situation. It's the best situation of the three. Plus, you'd also have the security knowing okay Elton brand the general manager in Philly hires me, then I know I'm his guy that gives you that extra layer of security with a really good team. Like a good foundation moving forward. I also wonder to George just like as far as how long this has taken the idea that they don't wanna look like they're kowtow in the LeBron the longer they stretch this out, even if it's just pageantry before they hire tile, Lou that can at least make it look like, okay? We're Mullen this back and forth were treating this like an actual decision as opposed to just saying what he wants to do. Lebron? Right. A hundred percent agree. I come coming up next. Use me almost cough. They're coming up. Yeah. Well, I'm still still fighting through coming up next Todd mcshay. We'll get one last look at what the hell. The raiders did the Rams the chargers and just kind of across the board. We'll go kind of quickly rapid fire style with Todd mcshay. Andy cabinets hanging out Saddam show. ESPN LA back and four minutes so show here on ESPN LA. Todd mcshay supposed to join us here in a couple of minutes. What we are kind of big picture thoughts on the draft. I found myself really interested in day one and then somewhat interested in day to still like I'm like, they're like whatever like they're still good players here, and I'm a college football fan. So I'm the guy waking up watching game day like six in the morning with I wake up at that time. But whatever I wake up and I'm watching to Hawaii to the as the gamblers call it the Hawaii chase game. Okay. I'm watching all the way till that time of night. So I love college football. I know most of these players I follow most of these teams. So I'm good like that. I am a sick college football fan who stays home on Saturdays pretty much every Saturday during the fall. So, but even I by Saturday when you're going around four through seven it's just overkill at that point. I'm just like what three days is too much. I thought it was a it was either yesterday or two days ago, the analogy you made with Meena calms the great. Sex analogy was her fict-. You know, it's the discovery with that new person that begins like, oh my God. This is amazing. Then after a while. It's like all right. Okay. I mean, you know, we take a little break. You know, we could go maybe spend a little time apart way other. What I you know, I feel like I've gotten out of all this in terms of the newness everything that I can discover like we really know each other now after three days in this hotel, like we we know everything about each other that we're ever going to need know or want to know right on Friday on Thursday the mountains crumbled, the seas roared. Yes, all that stuff happened Friday. Like, you said just you know, it was just good. It's good. And then Saturday's just like, why am I here still it's like one of those things where say you're you're out of town, and you randomly hook up with someone that you really feel that chemistry and the beginning. Like that Thursday nights. I may have fallen in love and then by Saturday or Sunday. It's like, you know, what we'll stay in touch. Right. If I'm in love. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. I just think that it's one of those things the NFL should probably revisit like did. You have a problem when it was just Saturday and Sunday. Oh, I wasn't even watching by then. I mean, I'm Lou I'm losing. No, no, no. I'm talking about back in the day. It was just Saturday and Sunday. No. I I would love to see it as compacted as possible because between like how long it gets stretch out in the commitment. That's required. And then if you have kids like there's no way you're going to be able to see all of that on top of any type of parenting responsibility. That you have with your other. We you know with job responsibilities as well. It's just too much yet. Because here's the thing. Like, I could see them. All right. You wanted to the first round on Friday or whatever. Just go ahead. Do it. Right. I'm good. You wanna make those guys stand out? Cool. That's fine. But then that's it. Like, I'm done after that like just make rounds two through seven on Saturday and Sunday or Saturday, or whatever, you know. And just go that route mcshea is on the line with us. Now, Tom mcshea ESPN NFL draft inside. Cider an analyst mcshea. I gotta be honest. I was I was talking about the draft in general and by day three men, I'm exhausted watching I can't believe you guys can't be by that point. Yeah. I just saw a clip of me. I mean, I looked as exhausted. As I as I felt Tato Kuypers been yelling at me for three straight days. But it's also I if I'm going to sit in the I'm going to send a dark room and watch backup guard from Memphis state. I might as well talk about it. I guess. Yeah. I I'm feeling right? Yeah. Yeah. I feel you. I feel no doubt. Let me ask you to start with the raiders does that was really the first surprise of the night with Cleveland feral. I mean, how did you feel about that pick as we were on the air while you guys run? So I didn't get a chance to actually listen to your commentary that night. Yeah. I was. So last minute I had heard that it was either going to be one of the defensive tackles Cornyn Williams or and Oliver, and I thought all along it might it might be Josh Allen the Kentucky outside linebacker defensive end. But never once that I think it was clear what it's almost like a relief. If if I'm gonna miss I'd rather miss. And that was big miss. I. I don't know. I the whole time. I thought that may Mike Mayock the new GM would kind of be the rudder for Gruden. And I think he was the rest of the drafts. Like every other pick was great that one. I had heard that they tried to move back. They couldn't get a deal done. They wanted to get rusher. And they really they like thorough more than most people like them. And so they took him we already saw I thought at least John mcgruder Jon Gruden sort of preemptively throw. Mayock under the bus by saying, hey, I got all these picks. Don't screw it up. Do you think in gruden's mind? This was screwed up now. No, it's not. I mean, let's not kid ourselves. We all know who's make who's putting that card in was making a final decision gives them. Let me rephrase do you? Do you expect at some point though, Gruden to be distancing himself from this? And making it look like may screwed up. No, no. Yeah. He's going to own it. And you know, like Cleveland's a good player. So it's never gonna be. You're never gonna look at this and say, oh my goodness. What a bust. It's the only question is going to be was he worth the value? I just I think there were better players to be had. But Cleveland's a good player. He loves the game. He's a leader. He's gonna show up and he's gonna play hard. I I do think and I'm not this isn't just being corny and buying in. Because it's definitely not my my stick. But I do think the one tie that kind of vines the whole group is that they got a bunch of dudes that love the game. And you know, Josh Jacobs is gonna show up. He's going to run hard. John Abram is a tough guy. He's a tone setter like their whole draft classes a bunch of guys that love the game. And so if they fail it won't be due to a lack of of passion for football or anything else. It'll just be it was overrated in terms of their. Physical tools or or durability or something along those lines. It just won't be for lack of the game. Todd mcshay ESPN NFL draft insider and analyst with this year on the Sodano show ESPN LA. So let's move onto the Rams. They clearly were moving back to stockpile more picks and try to fill some needs. Who's the guy that stood out to you the most as far as the guys they grabbed? Jeez. I they were kind of all over the place. And I and I don't blame them. I mean, they just don't have a ton of needs. That's the whole thing with the Rams, and it's it's a great place to be if if you're Snead, you know, very rarely do you get to you get to pick from that kind of leverage. And and I thought they did a really good job. And we're construe they were just kind of here and there and didn't really need to take a specific player. They really didn't. I mean, I I don't I didn't sense any like frustration from their drafts. And I in talking to them before I you know, I think rap was probably their best player. He doesn't have a great forty time. But coming out of Washington, these he's a safety. I think is ready to play. And I think from top to bottom they got guys that are good players from where they took them. There's a lot to be read into at least from the outside looking in with them using a high third round pick to take Daryl Henderson and with everything that's been going on with Todd Gurley. How ready do you think he is to contribute right now? I think he's ready. I think it will help the reason I would take Henderson or any back in that range would be to just just give him some rest give Todd some like some time down and not make him the the full-time guy. So that when we get into November December playoffs that he's he's ready. And I. I don't know what the medical situation is. I've heard different things. I don't I I will not speculate on anything like that. But if he's not going to be ready or he's not going to be your full time guy. Or if you do need to put him on a pitch count, then than Henderson becomes a aback that can provide that. And I think that's that was their thinking at the time. Obviously, we don't want you to speculate. But just kinda thinking back to when Gurley was drafted a how much of a red flag. I know he obviously was injured in college. But how much of that was a red flag when he came out. It wasn't as much of a red flag as as you would think I mean, a lot of guys have come out and been first round picks it running back and have had a had an injury and. Medically it just I I remember back because I remember worrying about that. But everyone I've talked to from a medical standpoint, it just was not as big of an issue as one might think at this point. Let's put it that way. Talking with Todd mcshay breaking down the Rams draft draft from all over the league. I wanted to actually actually a little bit about USC and everything that's going on this year. Do you expect JT Daniels to remain the starter with this team? And what will it take for clay, Helton and Lynn Swann to survive the season? Gosh. I mean, I'm literally just coming off the draft and. It's all good, man. Don't worry about it. Let's I love quake. I love clay. And I hope clay keeps his job. I think he's the right man for the job. I know that he's not like the flashiest guy. He's not the guy that maybe people in LA want. But if you spend any time with that guy, you realized that he he is one of the Pru. Good people in college football. He knows his much if not more than just about every head coach, I meet with and we meet with on a weekly basis, and I think he can win there. If he's given some giving some time it's gonna it's gonna take a minute to replenish. But I don't think they're that far off and UCLA. Obviously, they you know, they struggled last year. They're very young. They're going to get things heated up soon. It's going to be interesting to see moving forward. But I to me clay belongs in that spot. Even though it it doesn't seem like the popular opinion. But that's why I really I asked hunting. I mean to put you on the spot, but just people I know how many people are coming after him. And he is really a great guy. He's really one of the best guys I've met in this industry. But there's a lot of heat on him. And a lot of people that want him out. And frankly want his best layer of security. That's Lynn Swann out. Yeah. I mean, but so the people that don't want him in. How qualified are they to make that decision? Probably not very, right. I mean, that's that's the best way. I can put I listen. I you know, I can't pretend to be in charge of that. Or have the best answer for it. But I, but I do think the clay can do a great job. And I think he's a great football coach. And I'll he'll always have my respect. I'll put it that way. Couple of quick ones on the way out Todd Todd mcshay with this year, the chargers your overall thoughts and what they did. Jerry Hillary's is an interesting cat. You know, he's some people didn't like the fact that he has a lot of different things going on in his life. And all that if you watch that Stanford tape and the Michigan tape when he had six combined sacks you see the potential that the charges on him. I love Nazir Adderley the safety from Delaware after that they were kind of all over the place with different players. But I those first two picks to me are starters. And impact players we had Tillery on. And I loved the kid like he was super worldly. Right. Like he he had talked about him being in Hawaii and loving Hawaii. He loved we asked him if he liked pineapple on pizza. You said he was in on it. He says oddly a sandwich like he was just fun to talk to like he was a nod affair, which is wrong. But than that the crate you take that up with that big fella. I'm not doing that. Okay. So, but yeah, I really can you can be worldly and still be a good football player there. Plenty of those guys out there for sure I just put so young right? Like, you don't get that from any anyone really at that age is kind of the deal, you know, so last so a turnoff for show but good, which is crazy. The whole Rosen thing, which I was gonna ask you about that like the way that turned out like I'm happy for the kid Ida world, we to he's right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the the Rosen stuff to me was insane. Like the way he's you know, the negatively on him was, oh, you know, he's a rich kid or he doesn't need the game. He's too smart. He's an environmentalist. Like that stuff. Just drives me nuts. Yeah. It doesn't it. It's all change that people need to kind of get with it. You know, everyone it's very different than it was even ten years ago. And I think people just need to start adapting speaking of which do we need to adapt to the fact that Mel kiper junior no longer has the best hair on that set. And it belongs to you. Todd mcshay. To me. Yeah. No kidding. Me wingo, maybe link our now has killed on the on the hair stuff, though. I know he's not as much product. I know he used to have a whole thing. And now he just kinda let's go. Although honestly is there anything better than the Fabio nineteen eighty whatever it was ninety. Him. Was that hair flow later? It's fake. The best task Kim piper. His wife gets embarrassed by it. Richer ESPN NFL insider drafted out draft analyst. He you're the best man. Thank you so much for making time for us. I know it's been a busy couple of weeks. Thanks again. I appreciate about picker. You got it. There's time mcshea I coming up next you, and I and cabinets have some stuff to get into. Because I've got a couple of things that may happen in free agency, or at least have been reported now that could affect the Lakers. We'll get to that stick around Sadan show ESPN LA so jam right here. What would you do it? When this song came out. Chemnitz king. How gimme roughly the year, and I can tell you would say thousand two thousand two or three thousand two or three I was wrapping up my time bartending at the Westwood brewing company, and I had decided that I needed to quit there because I was drinking so much while working that my life, my life might be heading on a really bad path. If I didn't need the it's like, the only time I've ever quit a job essentially to save my wife, actually two thousand but my guess is very similar to that. Oh, if it's two thousand I was neck deep in this. Hey, guys. You know, why Andy forgot he was drinking all that alcohol? Yeah. Yeah. Bartenders that's got to be a great life in the sense of like, there's always something different every single night as my what for a while there is and then you come to realize it's all the same thing every day. Like, even when it feels different. It's different version of the exact same thing. It's a different drunk person doing something different ridiculous. But at the end of the day, it's the same drunk BS. Like a after for while it's really fun. But then assuming you wanna be doing something different which I did after a while you start feeling trapped with it. And which is part of the reason was drinking so much like while working, right, right? Oh, I mean, that's the other thing too. It's like, okay, you're unhappy, and you have all of this liquor right in grabbing distance of or free to help you medicate your unhappiness. It's it's not a healthy setup. If it's not. Where you wanna be? Now was the bar mostly fun though, like on the weekends. Particularly look for a while. He was a lot of fun. I mean often was a UCLA bar. It was like right, which is to call the place. Disneyland was before Disneyland had alcohol. I saw Disneyland with alcohol. I mean like it was wild. I mean like it was a wild place to work a lot of shenanigans happened. I'll I'll just leave it at that. I actually just got tweeted by someone yo Andy worked in working at Brusco like people remember this place. The west brewing company in Westwood village. Again. I mean, it was a jammed packed place. And that was also part of the trap to is like you could make pretty good money working three days a week. Oh, I beg which makes it harder. Which makes it hard to leave even though a wanted to leave. Right. Right. Right. By the way, we've got Cannella Jacobs tickets in Vegas this Saturday tickets to the fight to give away. What do you think maybe like the five o'clock hour you wanna give it away the five o'clock hour? Guys. We'll give them we're. So we're going to do a little trivia, right? Might you've come up with your the resident boxing expert on this show. And you've come up with trivia questions. Yes. It's true or false. We'll make easy but not too easy for you guys. Okay. Right. Yeah. So we'll have the five o'clock hour. We'll put some people on the line and whoever gets we'll figure out what the requisite amount you'll need to win. Maybe three in a row. What do you think? Brin rose sounds good. Well, maybe two in a row. Questions might have have other things to do. So torn a row you guys are lucky today. Tune row so wherever is the first to get back to back questions. Now the questions hard. No, they're not difficult. They're not different fear. Boxing fan your Cannella fan. Oh, we want some people we want people to like it can't be that easy. Even if you're just a sports fan and you casually watch canal. Oh, and you followed his career his fights. You should get lucky today. All right. So there you go five o'clock hour that's going to happen. So stick around for that. So Andy, there's a story out today about K D And kyri, right? Jared Dudley spoke to Mark Stein and said Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving going to grant the nets a meeting that he'd be stunned. If that were the case now, this is where I think the Lakers thing gets interesting. Okay. So I have been a proponent that. Kyrie Irving is the key to free agency for as much as Kevin Durant is going to be the crown jewel, kyri Irving to me swings. The balance of power and a lot of ways because I could see Kyrie Irving being a net being a Nick being a Celtic being a Laker. You know, any four of those teams to me, I think are all viable options for Kyrie Irving. And maybe you know, you can always throw in the mystery team. Right. Like, there's always somebody maybe that he'll granted an interview to or meeting with that. We may not have thought of right? So let's just say for argument's sake. Katie. And Kyrie wanna go play in Brooklyn. Now, I don't think that's going to be the case. But if you're Brooklyn to make that happen, you're going to have to let the Angelo Russell walk now. I know the ngelo Russell just got into a little problem today. Feels like a day easier to let them walk. Yeah. I know he got into an issue in at LaGuardia. But if you're the Lakers, would you consider? If you strike out like I'm saying, you don't get K D co why clay kyri Kemba Jimmy Butler like you've lost it all those options. Do you consider bringing back the ngelo? Russell you you you you hold on. You got a frame this. Right. You and your brother, I know your big Julius Randle guys. But I don't I don't remember your this is -sarily. I don't remember necessarily your position on the angel. Russell de Dangelo proponent, okay? Proponent at the time when they made that deal. My reaction was I get it. And I think it's defensible, but I've got mixed feelings on it. And I definitely thought they wrote Dangelo off too early and they wrote off the possibilities of him in Lonzo too early. I thought that so I felt a lot like you did I thought that I understood they didn't like him from a personality standpoint fell. He was a bit immature. I understood all that. I agreed with all of that, however using him in a salary dump made me feel weird about it. It made me feel conflicted about it. I didn't feel like that was the way to make it happen. You know, like we wouldn't get into brunt. If it wasn't for the month of deal, you no you were opening up room for Paul George. So really what you opened up room for was Rondo McGee and those guys when they win they go when they eventually go back and either make the thirty for thirty about this period for the Lakers or somebody writes. The book the Paul George of it all is going to be the most fascinating part of this chapter. Because so many of the moves that they made were through the prism of. We've got Paul George in the back. Right. They thought they had Paul George from from the outset. That's why immediately moved space before they needed to. That's why they weren't ready to move either. The pick the turn in the Lonzo or Brandon Ingram for Paul George. That's why they moved even more space when they moved Clarkson and Nance they thought they had eventually both those guys in the bag. Correct. Absolutely. So I'll ask you again, you strike out in free agency with all those names. I just mentioned do you consider bringing Russell back. You have to consider it. I mean, it's going to be about twenty something million. You have to consider it because you've got to start building a team like you have to actually start building a team you cannot punt next season and try to hoard cap space the way they've been treating it like Ghalem in the precious and not actually building team and won. Of the things that LeBron needs issued ING correct and the Angelo can shoot he can also be a secondary playmaker. And he's a guy that can take some scoring load off. Lebron? He's not a great defender. He's he's got some was kyri. Well, I was gonna say if you start getting down to the Angelo, you're going to be getting the players with imperfections anyway, but he's got a lot of potential to grow. What I think is fascinating about that question, though, George is does rob Pelinka have the humility to bring back a guy that he moved to do a move that might reduce some people like you messed up in the first place like an acknowledgement of we moved him. Yeah. That we screwed that up. Right. That's an interesting question from that. I don't know. But I will man it'll be interesting to see if they strike out in free agency. What because. Yeah. You know, they've been saying and magic set it before he resigned, we got planning a plan. Mm B plan C plan D. But now we're talking about what happens if all those fall apart. And do you have a plan e I look man there's times where I don't feel confident. They've got a plan. See like a plan b like it feels always so focused on the biggest names possible. I would feel confident knowing that they've got a b c d so the funny thing is, and I was talking to me about this late last night, which was kind of the dichotomy between the way the Lakers are run right now in the way the dodgers are run right now. And look even though I didn't love the Pollock move. As we discussed during purgatory. I mean, I still kind of understood it, right? I understood it it doesn't mean I have to like it. But I get it. But man, it you look at what the dodgers are doing. And you know, a guy like hundred ru right? They get. So they get so much value. I feel like out of all their guys like they maximize value out of everyone, and it feels like this current Lakers regime isn't capable of doing that the way the dodgers have been. Now, granted I understand the sports are different the metrics are different. And there's not an exact science per se. Baseball is a more exact science, right? It's very much math matters in that sport. It's the ticks improbability. Right. Whereas in basketball, there's some of that. But some of it is not quantifiable particularly on the defensive et, right? But man, it almost feels like the dodgers are in a different stratosphere from a management perspective than the Lakers are right now. And you wonder George with that how much of that comes with having different voices in the room and different perspective in the room. And and obviously the dodgers don't value group. Think I mean, you know, at the end of the day, there's. Going to be a decision made by you know, the highest people right Andrew Friedman. We'll make the decision he's gonna he's gonna make the final call. But it's pretty clear by the amount of voices. They put in the room, they're not looking for automatic confirmation consensus. They wanna have debate. They wanna have discussion they want to have some disagreement. So eventually you can justify the decisions that you make you look at the Laker front office. It feels like there's a quest for group thing and familiarity, and it doesn't seem like they covet outside voices and perspective because they don't pursue any of it. They don't they don't look for that. And then if you look at the mentality, that's guided this organization, you know, forever. It's always been about stars. And stars obviously matter in the NBA, but sort of the people that you put around the stars that can maximize the star talent. And it doesn't feel like there's as much of a focus on anything beyond the biggest names that George you and I can identify right. Like you, and I can say go get Kevin Durant. Go go. Why? Yeah. I mean like what we were joking about that today on around the horn. We one of our topics was about that this Mets topic, right? The same topic. And we were talking about the nets and the clippers and my kind of stance was looked those teams have done a phenomenal job. Particularly look. The nets have done a better job of anyone of digging out of a whole like when Billy king was their general manager, and they traded for Garnett and Pearson. Those guys I mean, they traded away picks for the basically a seven year stretch. Like it was insane. What they did. And they didn't do anything to get to the second round. So they had to dig out of a ridiculous hole. But the clippers by the way, also dug out of a hole because they were looked at as the biggest joke of a franchise in sports history. Arguably right, and they have made themselves a real viable option. I think they're probably going to lamb Kawhi Leonard. But the one joke was about identifying the talent just to kinda use your phrase was I was like man, I'm jealous. And I've said this on the air before I'm so jealous of Li Jenkins because you know, Lee J it's sports writer he gets to work for Balmer. And he's. The director of research in something whatever it is and identity, whatever it is. And it's like me, and I I want that Bulger we should go after July. Hey bomber. We should go after Kevin Durant. I know Lee is a lot smarter than I was gonna say say Lee Lee, lease a genius. One of the nicest people you're ever going to meet. Yes. But you know that he's got it. Great. And I don't mean this again, lease incredibly smart, and he'd be valuable ringing organization. But you know, you've got a great when you're title sounds made up like anytime, you're working somewhere and sounds like you've got a made up title. That's when you know, you've got an awesome gig. Right. But to the point which we were getting at is they don't have think at the clippers. They don't have group think of the dodgers and the Lakers have that. And it stinks that that's the case. Yeah. I mean, I would say this when everybody who covers the league and everybody within the league can't understand why you're creating the front office the way you do. And why you're operating the way you do either you are playing five dimensional chess like forget, four dimensional. We're talking five dimensional. That's just light years above everybody else. Or you're doing it wrong. Coming up next. How far will you go for a foul ball, plus a lake? Cours conspiracy theory something that might actually be good. Well, I guess depending on your perspective and two candidates key hanging out. So Donald show back at four minutes. You're on ESPN LA.

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CFP Championship Breakdown

First Draft

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CFP Championship Breakdown

"Welcome back another edition of the first draft podcasts. Second one of twenty twenty one in the first conclusion of the college football season field. Yates in for the second show did not get canned after. Just one by mel kiper. Todd mcshay who are also so you guys tell me that i didn't totally screw things up in other words way hurt field. Another show would benefit you. A couple. More shows like will benefit from rap kuyper. Let's get them reps with your pal with the another gig show or two. We'll make our assessment field. So you've got a little bit of a of a preseason here with us no job security until like march for me you guys are telling me we are of course going to recap last night because this is taped on tuesday january twelfth. Last night's college football playoff final alabama is now once again the national champion. We're gonna talk about devante smith a little bit later on in the show. Obviously just the dynamic performance from him and all the other major takeaways from last night's game but we're going to start an order that's kind of just been arbitrarily decided upon and last week on our first show of the new season. We talked a lot about trevor lawrence of course but we talked about justin fields as well as he had. Just come off of the impressive showing against clemson and felt like kinda reasserted himself. Back into the conversation to be the next player taken behind trevor lawrence in late april last night goes seventeen for thirty. Three one hundred ninety four yards with a touchdown plus six carries for sixty seven yards. Remember one of those was a thirty three yard scramble showing that athletic ability. What did you make fields performance last night and was his. Do you think one way or the other impact at all based off what we saw the to be careful with the injury memory look l. Was it a hip pointer. Was that ribs. And when he took that hit from scowl ski a hip pointer one hundred percent close to one hundred percent last night so give him credit for being out there for finishing the the clemson game the way he did. But it was tough evaluation for and then losing trae sermon. Right away just like when you think about nick's first championship at alabama member mccoy texas went out early. And then here's the six championships seventh over offer nick and the team. These playing loses their top running back right away immediately so trace sermon. Why they ecorse got hurt as well. The offensive guard. So i think for justin feels out. Bring it up now. And i think this for a quarterback's when you have a great performance two years ago your first year as the starter and with cova and all the interruptions you go back to not having for northwestern and struggling in two games this year than having a big game when he got hurt against clemson then struggling last night when you knew he wasn't one hundred percent i think going back to ohio state for another year as opposed to coming into the national football league without that momentum from having a great season like you did two years ago kinda right things work on things fundamentally ohio. State's got a ton of talent coming. In every year they're always reloading. They're not rebuilding their so ryan day will have plenty of talent in place. I think it's worth a little minute or two discussion as the weather. Justin feels really better off going back to ohio state for the two thousand twenty one season so todd. Let's push this by. The way is like we know it's probably not going to happen right like you know how incredibly unlikely it is. But what do you think about the benefits of fields returning turning. I think look just look at the history. I mean the vast majority of quarterback come out in the nfl draft. If they've had over twenty five starts they've had more experience they have success in the nfl. And it's it's great to go get that i you know that first contract and listen if you told me at twenty two years old i could go make twenty million dollars over a five year span. Yes no matter. What no matter what you're asking me to do. I'm going to do it but the second contract is where you get two hundred million dollars you know and you wanna have success in the league. I think mills right. I don't think it's going to happen. But i think mel's exactly right and and i. I was trying to say this last week. And i've been trying to say for the last few weeks since indiana and then the north western game. He's not there yet. He's if you study film and you know what you're talking about. And you know how to identify what quarterbacks are looking for and you know defensive coverages and you know how how to get off your primary to your secondary to your third target. You can see that. He's not there yet. And and ryan days so good at protecting him and putting him in good spots that it doesn't show up a whole lot but if you really study what's going on feel does not there yet. So he's either going to go in the league in need time to develop or he should come back to college football and continue to develop either way. He's not he's not exactly ready yet. But that doesn't mean that he's not gonna be a great quarterback in the league. I mean there have been so many guys. Pat mahomes was kind of a little bit. Like this and i told this story. Before but batman homes. I talked to him in his second year training camp before the first game he started. T told me he didn't know how to identify a mike linebacker. Meaning the middle linebacker. Which is something you learn in. Like in highschool. Where's the middle linebacker that sets up the protection and all that and he said he just. He needed that year with alex smith. He needed that year with that coaching staff and he needed a year to actually learn the nfl game. So the problem is you don't know where fields is gonna land the spot where they need to start right away they throw them and there's not a supporting cast and all those other things i think. That's the biggest concern for me. And and he's he has to decide what he wants to do but ultimately I don't think he's ready mentally quite yet. You know it's funny you mention Whether you know where where. He lands such an interesting point for justin fields. Which is i suppose for every prospect. But i was just thinking about your first mock drafts. Todd and fourth overall. With zack wilson. That would be leeann. Falcons justin feel separate and apart from the fact that he is from the state of georgia landing in atlanta. Might be what you're talking about. The opportunity do something and be groomed over the course of one or two years for however long matt ryan is still there but if you went to for example the jets number two overall the expectation would be sam. Darnold's moving on justin field is. The guide obviously very difficult for us to imagine a scenario where justin fields doesn't declare but if he did return for the twenty twenty one season. I think he would have the opportunity to be of the face of college football for this upcoming year. And maybe build towards. Maybe not a trevor lawrence level of stock but at least entered the season as if this guy plays like we expect him to play he could very well be the front runner for the twenty twenty. Two number one overall selection Obviously say this real quick field to finish the talk about preparation and being ready to go when you're stepping up from college to pro when you're going into a job scenario out of college. Whatever it may be. You want to feel like you're well equipped and prepare- now you know you got a lot of things you still have to learn but of done everything i needed to do in college to get to this big jump from college to pro. It'll give me more of a chance early on to feel mentally and physically. I'm ready to go. I know all things. Todd was touching on fundamentally that needed to be done so another year will help you feel more confident. We're prepared to take on being the face of an organization and the expectations which are through the roof. Once you're drafted high in the first round and you're brought in that team and now we're saying if you're in their second year and you're not playing great you're bust your your terrible you but you gotta be replaced. And they're already critiquing you and ripping on all the shows and all platforms. That's what you have to deal with so to be prepared for all that without having all these little things are still work through. I really think will benefit of justin fields. Why rush to the nfl other players. Wait and say. I'm gonna go back for another season work on some things. Why not just feels melt back. They will have with all that talent around them. When you were eighteen years old how much it would. I can distinctly remember being eighteen and then being twenty one twenty two. There was a difference. You grow up there around college you kind of learning things and and growing up not in your house and not with your mom and and family around you and everything else. You're there's there's something about that maturity level that helps and and it just looked at this year's class trevor lawrence him from last year and having twenty five minutes discussing. I told you about last week. That i had with him before the wake forest game and sitting in this truck just listening to him it was he like he was a different person. You know you just you grow up so much when you're that age range and you start to learn so much more and then all of a sudden you walk into a locker room and now you're making more money than a lot of these guys who were thirty two year old or whatever. Whatever it is i listen. Justin fields can handle it. I know i know he can. And he's so physically talented and he's smart. He's just he's still developing. And if you need any job in the world you need experience and i think that's what he's lacking because you see the flashes but you don't see the consistency and that's the biggest issue. I have right now with him so while fields has some decisions to make like who had to the. Nfl we've got some other players from ohio state to discuss as well guys khaderah positively negatively or otherwise last night. Let's turn it wide receiver. And last night chris o. Lavi todd Finished with eight catches for sixty nine yards. I don't want to compare a skill set to devante smith because bit on a different level. I don't want this to come across the wrong way. But it felt like chris. Lava had to work a lot harder for his eight catches and sixty nine yards and no touchdowns than devante. Smith did for his two hundred and fifteen receiving yards and three touchdowns last night. I actually for half yah ridiculous. I actually thought that. Maybe chris alavi kinda helped himself last night against some of the best competition. He'll have on tape during his entire college career. I'm a big fan. I think he's a really good player. I think he's one of the best five six wide receivers in this class. I really do. And i think you know. If he's not late i he's going to be early second round and you can just you see his routes and see what he's able to do get an breaks. It's a great class though. That's that's the problem you got devante. Smith you've got your mark chase from lsu jalen waddell for from alabama coming off the injury. We'll talk about him later. Rashad bateman from minnesota terrorist marceau. Who's emerged from lsu and there are a lot allows you more. Who's emerging who really had a great season coming out of all mississippi this here but chris All of eight in my opinion a lobby. I always say his name wrong he. He has the ability to accelerate out of cuts. And get down the field. And i think that's something that nfl teams are going to really love. And i think. I don't know what he's gonna run. I don't know if he's four four. He's about six one one eighty five. He's probably around four four eight somewhere in that range but he knows how to accelerate out of cuts and he knows how to get. Open down the field. And that's why. I don't think it i'll be shocked if we get to pick fifty and he's not off the board mel you mentioned earlier. How the last night's game sort of took shape in a comparable way to nick saban's first ever national championship with a notable injury. Early that was to trace sermon. The very very talented ohio state running back who transferred from oklahoma this past year one carry two yards and then left. The game eventually had to go to the hospital to get some more medical attention. So that made a big mark on this game last night. Also the opportunity for master teague to basically play as an every down back was down another one of its top. Three running backs because of covid nineteen protocols If now that we have sort of the full body of work on trae sermon. Where do you think he has landed in. The pecking order of top running backs in our draft eligible in a few months. Here shame last night to go down so early. Not have a chance to showcase your talent on that big stage against that alabama defense all those guys like bar more and company Trying to contain you and put all of it a one now justin fields once he got hurt But i think what he had done this year. What he did at oklahoma go back though sooner games of course he had the injury then left to come to ohio state. I think he's battling to be the third fourth running back off the board. You have a real good when obviously in harris and we'll get to him in a minute. Great football player. Travis clemson giovannia williams had a will north carolina tackle breaker supreme and there are others. But you could go right after that or right after eight. The end he's going to be in. That mix will see. His workout goes but a trace sermon. Prove he could catch the ball and his running style is what the nfl is looking for. So it's just a shame he wasn't able to finish it off to a while they just finish him. I count about right now out about fifteen teams that could use a wide receiver in the first or second round. We saw the bears. We saw tennessee this past week in the playoff teams. That need more weapons. All these receivers are out there. They had great success coming into the draft from last year. And i think you're going to see a lot of receivers in the first durant's because like i say fifteen teams in the. Nfl could use help at that spot. Again it'd be a year where there are a lot of shoppers both in free agency and eventually in the draft wide receiver on the defensive side of the ball for ohio state. I don't think anybody is going to sit there and say it was proudest moment. One of those burn the tape type efforts For the defense based off how alabama performed but thought i. I've got to be careful. Because i don't wanna make it sound like a criticism of the kid but sean wade as we know opted out of the college football season and then eventually opted back in for ohio state. It feels like coming into the year. There was a school of thought that maybe he could play his way into top. Five top ten consideration. Where does he fit now in the nfl because this was a much different year for him obviously he adjusted from being primarily slot corner to a primary primarily perimeter corner. How is his. I stock sort of taken shape based off what you saw from him. In the eight games from ohio state. I think he's he proved that he belongs inside. He's a nickel corner. He can play a little free safety. He can move around. He's physical. He's tough. He can tackle in the open field really well. We saw that again last night but he is not cut out. At least at this point to be a perimeter cover corner that takes away your number one wide receiver. He's just not you know we've seen it all year and it's too bad to see and you. Everyone expected it. Because you watch you walk. She's number one cornerback. Some from ohio state go to the nfl draft and he was kinda waiting his turn and he did in everyone expected. He's the next guy up. He's the five star recruit. And he's he's the next guy and he just hasn't been he's a slot cover corner. Who can play that overhang. He can be physical. He can play the run. He can be very effective. He can play on special teams. I think he's a day. Two pick think is probably a second round pick. When it's all said and done and coming into the year i i liked his tape and i said this last week i liked his tape but i didn't see the same things that i saw in. You know all the other corners that we've seen come out of ohio state has and it kind of it was proven this year and so i think he is worse case third. But i think he's going to be a second round pick and i appreciated honestly watching him battle last night against some great wide receivers and how physically was and how he supported the run and how he did the little things and i think that's going to be his role the nfl melodist. He's always out of position. I mean that's about. He was just out of position and you saw him against india. Almost have covers wouldn't look back and locate the ball. You did have the pick six which actually sealed victory was a key to that victory over indiana when it came back from thirty five seven. His pick six flip that game. Four ohio state so. He's one of the key reasons why they're where they are right now and it had a chance to even play for national championship but watching him. He just looked like he's not comfortable. He's not communist. We didn't know like behind okuda in our like right. You just didn't know because we couldn't see and then he moves outside and he's not the same guy he's what was inside. It was great god right inside. He was last year if you go back to that clemson game at semi final game when he taught got that targeting penalty when that hit on lawrence on that blitz that change that game. So sean wade was a key entity in that talent laden secondary for ohio's eight when he was positioned properly to maximize what he doesn't make him beat ultra-confident. He doesn't look like the same player he hasn't all year. He looks like he's just kind of lost in space. And i think when you go back to the waddell catch. Look at that play okay. Alabama gets the ball to start the second half right. Smith hurts his finger. Y- waddell right after that beat. Show on wait for a first down. Catch game by five yards a cushion. Why in the world would you be afraid of wattle beating deep with the ankle injuries. Playing through your loud so much cushion. Easy break off the route out rap. Catch no problem. Picking up twelve fifteen yards. You saw him late. Getting over on the slate bolton touchdown so he just doesn't look comfortable he doesn't look confident and that's why he's had issues but say second round for sean way to take him in a minute. Good football player like his attitudes approach. He fought through it. The taste smith jalen wildly with an ankle. These are good for smith's off the charts. But i think for sean way. Just playing the wrong position. That's not where he's going to be be at his best and college. Obviously and in the nfl. You have to know how he fits in to what you do. Schematically in that secondary. We'll see where he ends up with a draft order but a guy who has you guys both. I admire the fact that he came back and competed this year when it could have been easy for him to say you know what. I'm not playing this year i'm going to get ready for april twenty twenty one. This is gonna sound a little weird. Given the fact that he was a heisman. Finalist had four hundred sixty four passing yards last night and five touchdowns that of course being alabama quarterback mack jones. I almost feel like though mellon todd. And i'll start with you. Todd that the mac jones tape evaluation is really really difficult because the numbers are off the charts. I mean we're ridiculous production. I think the question. What's going to be working against mack. Jones is the idea that he's playing with. You know two first round picks at wide receiver for sure probably a first round running back very good offensive line. Just an overwhelming amount of talent is going to sound silly to ask you to assess his performance last night. The guy threw for four hundred and sixty four yards. Obviously it was a remarkable performance. Where's his draft stock now. Though like how difficult of an evaluation is it for a guy who put up the god of stats real quick. I just think this in watching that game todd. Here's a guy who became an elite college quarterback komo's overnight. I mean four starts last year. Okay so he's coming little league with seventeen start so kind of starts you want but to watch him out there. I thought the key for me watching him last night. This is a thirty eight. Twenty four game after ohio state scored minutes. The had the past the wilson. Then he ran for thirty yards. In the past the wilson for the touchdown it's a thirty twenty four game with six forty five left in the third quarter alabama's next drive mack. Jones moved around one third and two at his own. Thirty three yard line enough by the time moved around. Got the ball. Agilis sound jalil billingsley for the completion at got it to the ohio state forty five yard line and went down. They scored he had another run for ten yards. And he's not a runner. He's not joe burrow. We said that that's exaggerated. He's not burrow but he did enough with his legs to buy time. Then he had a run which led that touchdown and put them up. Forty five twenty. Four and that past the slade bolton. I think when you look at this. He's a kind of quarterback and you say the talent well. Joe burrow had a ton of talent around them as well. Todd look what he did. He's not joe burrow. Mac jones is not joe burrow. He doesn't have the athletic ability or the running skills but his accuracy his confidence his knowledge as smarts all indicates if you protect them and you have the offensive line so to put a lot of pressure on that line mack. Jones will have a chance to be a successful starting quarterback. Here's the tricky part. He's like ten years ago he he's a top ten pick he really is. You know the because he's inside the pocket he is four point. Oh student super intelligent. Unbelievable pocket presence feels that anticipates that gets wallow does all the right things but he doesn't move around. He moves around in the pocket well enough but he can't take off and run and extend plays like a lot of these other. It's like you know like trevor. Lawrence wilson justin fields. Any of these guys. So that's the concern but if you put him in the right system it somewhere where you know it's play action kind of moving the pocket a little bit. He's he's going to be successful in the league. And the more i studied the more i believe in mack jones. The more i studied the more. I believe in this guy seriously i i just i think he has these intelligence and the toughness and a lot of the qualities that you need to be highly highly successful in the league and i love the fact that he hung around alabama with two tons of iowa and knowing that he might not play embrace young coming in pasadena california But the you know the great high school what is it. maitre d' or whatever they call it and this guy who was supposed to be the best quarterback in the country and he was gonna win the job and he said absolutely no. This is my job. I refuse to lose this job. And that's what steve's artesian told me straight up you said. He refused to lose the job. Everyone in tuscaloosa everyone in the state of alabama. Everyone thought that this was going to be bright. Young job and mack jones would not lose it and you can see that you know that resolve in him the way he plays you can see it when he's warming up and game so just everything about him. I just really appreciate and the way he plays the game. And he's so intelligent in terms of what the defense is trying to throw at them and then him adjusting to it. And i i. I think he didn't have a lot of success and he's he's gonna move up my next rankings. He's going to be moved up least inside the top twenty. There's a lot of quarterback still todd. He's all about the run. Everybody wants that. Everybody wants to lamar jackson the josh allen. But when you look at what. Philip rivers has done you. Go back to joe flacco when a super bowl. You look at peyton manning. I'm not gonna go to tom brady. Because he's the greatest of all time but he's still a pocket guide couldn't run. It wasn't athletic. Okay so you go say ally. Payton there are quarterbacks. In this league matt ryan. He's a pocket guide going to beat you his arm out his legs. All we can move so again. I think you still look there. There's a spot for a quarterback that isn't a run around guy in the. Nfl are super accurate at all levels in your smart by the way. Todd i official ruling. Is i believe it's modern day in california maitre d.'s. Like the person who serves your food and rush-right hungry after this for that but that's all right. I've i've tried health for worse. Am takes and they ended up finding some culinary definitions. Along the way hyper. You are very few rules. I believe that you follow in the draft. That are sort of must one of them is that if at all possible. Avoid taking running back in the first round. But now harris last night another impressive performance yards per carry. Just three and a half twelve twenty carries for seventy five yards. Three point seven five. I should say two touchdowns but the play that i'll remember from najji harris last night is ohio. State brought pressure off the edge mack. Jones sensed it from his blindside and just sort of flipped the ball up and nausea harris. Corrales it I believe chris fowler described as vacuuming the ball into his grasp and running after the catch. An excellent receiving score i mean. Are you willing to concede like maybe this guy does need to go in the first round. He could be part of the rule breaker because of how much of performance put on really this entire season. Great player a great player. And i think when you watch them you gotta love the way. He plays the energy he plays with. How smart understands situations. He knows where the sticks are. The way he extends the way keeps his balance the way he gets through traffic the way he carries tacklers. I mean he is so good. He doesn't fumble yet. All this is back to the goal. Line guy ripped it out. Late should have been. You've been dead but doesn't fumble catches the ball. I mean he's so quick his game obviously go from where he was the. Where is at alabama fun to watch. And he got the tough yards. He earned it. He was a key to that football game. He's an akita just every game. They played during his career now. I had no problem taking a running back in the i if the coach at the coach and gm say i gotta have. I'm the coach and the coaching staff. Says to have this guy gotta have him and the grade is in line with where. You're picking us about running backs in the first at various stages now i wouldn't if i'm a gm and the coach has now. I'm with you. i'm fine but if they're pounding that table todd just say i gotta have mogae harris to me and i looked last year. Jonathan taylor second round loved. Jk dobbins ohio. Say love second round. You can love running back and they still drop the second deondraye swift. Second round edwards. Lear went late last pick in the first so again we don't know what's gonna happen with nausea but he plays like a first round pick. Maybe it's maybe it's sixteen weeks of taken six flights a week and i'm just worn down. I'm not gonna fight you on this one this time. If they're special they're special and there's usually one in may maybe two guys year they're special enough where you consider it but but like philosophically. I agree with you. I really do i. I don't like spending money at running back. And that's what that's what it's really all about. If you look at teams i look at. Nfl teams that have won the super bowl or have been receiver bowl. How many of them have spent big time money on running backs. And so i don't disagree with the the philosophy at all but now now you specifically. I've been so impressed. Because i i watched some in the summer and i. I studied all the tape from last year and i saw a guy who he was pretty decent catching the ball. He was okay. Impasse bro but he danced a lot. He was two hundred and thirty pounds. I i remember like tapping my leg doing this tapping my leg. Six to two thirty. Why are you dancing around. Just just hit a gap hit the be up. Get up getting north and south in this year. he's attacking. it's almost someone. Sit sat counted studied the tape with him. And said you know what you can be this if you wanna be this and he decided i want to be this and that was it and now he's a totally different back and i myself now. 'cause i'm punchy but i i'm telling you so frustrated watching his date and now i'm so impressed with the way he runs he's patient but the second there's a whole the hit them up the field. No dancing not trying to bounce outside and get that big run and lose four yards for it and i think he's one. It's crazy to say because everyone knows now share and everyone's known him for a couple of years but i think he's one of the most improved players in college football this past year in terms of what we saw tape last year to what we're seeing on tape now two yard runs last night. Became six seven yard runs. Roy did i mean it was amazing and and think about the difference of that in a game you know and then the ability to catch the ball and then pass protection just all the little things that add up over the course of a game. He has become a college talented college player to now he. He's nfl ready like let's go plug in plug and play starter. Four more guys from alabama will do two quick hitters and then the two wide receivers but we got we'll get the devante smith and just a bit feeling waddell. They'll has to be addressed Todd i know you chime in on this on twitter You weren't the only one that i think feels this way. It was cool. That jalen waddell was able to dress for the game. Last night for alabama. He wanted to plane that. We had three catches for thirty four yards. And it's not my job to be a doctor. I certainly have much less information than anybody involved in that situation. But i couldn't help but sort of had a pit in my stomach watching jalen waddell run around last night. I don't think it's your job. I don't think it's our job. I should say to decide whether it was the right decision or not but it just one of those that. I'm going to have a hard time forgetting. Not just because he played but i wasn't even worth at four him. Yeah when you're on the field with the guy. Like jalen smith and see him get that injury and lose millions of dollars that he lost and couple of jake butt from michigan. I was on the field for that game to the ball and saw him lose millions of dollars. It's it's hard to watch so over time you just you know it bothers you. It bothers me to to see guys out there when they don't have to be playing especially when you have such a significant lead But i respect so much jalen on his competitiveness but there has to be an adult there. That says oh. No no can't do that. That's my only thing. Honestly and and he was fighting. I talked to. I talked to. I talked to two different people yesterday before the game. Who said listen he. He's been practicing he. He can run. He can do make the cuts but after everything just kind of. I didn't say cramp up but just gives them so much pain that you can't move and i'm thinking to myself. So why are we doing this. We've we got devante. Smith who got matchy we've got Jalil billingsley we got another forest all we. We've got noisy harris. And i just didn't i didn't understand why he was still in the especially i got early on. Maybe as a decoy. But not late in the game. But ultimately i loved. I loved compete. I love the fact that he wanted to be out there and you so competitive but But yeah it was tough to watch. Yeah i was. I was worried for him. I'll say this side and field just watching that kid as you say compete final game. You'll ever play in college championship on the line. I'm talking about when the game started. He practiced he got back from an october twenty four th fractured ankle. That's amazing right. There he was even practicing enough to be able to run on that ankle. You have to go out there and championship game. Say i want to be part of it. And he was and he's going to look back when he's fifty sixty years of age and he's going to walk out. Alabama campus say. I contributed to a victory and the championship game. My final game ever wearing that crimson tide uniform at crimson tide uniform was worn for the final time for allow these players and he was out there at far far percentage. You wanna put on it. And he beat sean. Wait on that out route. Okay john. you're sean wait was thinking. I'm going to be deepened now. He broke it off big first down there s today say cut it to a two touchdown game so i give the i was holding my breath and just don't get hurt. Don't don't do anything to aggravate the injury but you saw him. After the game he was four. He was over those. I was part of this. I wasn't on the sidelines watching so for him in his final game. And the biggest opt outs bowl. Some don't matter common meaningless game this was championship and to go out there on his final game you'll ever wear that crimson tide uniform perform and be a guy we're talking about now because he played opted out but he actually played people are saying why shouldn't have he should've been. There should have been that. Fortunately nothing happened. We think nothing happened aggravate the injury and he's sitting there today and for the rest of his life. He will look back on this team. And this game nick. Sabin said it's a special group get through a covert year and finish it off the way they did in dominant fashion. And jalen watt will be a key element before he got hurt he was a key component. You pay three catches last night one of which came key drive so for me. I'm just glad he survived and for him. He was out there doing it. Got it done. And let's let it end the any negativity with that. We've got enough of that going negatively with that. You know what you're right. You're absolutely right. I just. I was so worried for him. That was it i. I've been on the side barring seven or eight times. The last two years watching these guys in the way they compete and how. I just loved them. I i love these receivers. The last obviously the last two years of four first rounders. We've talked about with with rugs and judy and davante smith and jalen waddell the way they compete in there. They're always chirping at each other. And they're always fight feisty in your you need to do this better and this is you make this adjustment and i love them i come to. I don't know why. It's one of my favorite things that i get to do. Is being on the sideline watching these guys. Because they're so competitive. I just was worried about him. That's it it's hard not See the human side of it when you're watching jalen waddell Return last night but glad to see as mail anti both said that he has seemingly no worse for the wear when he wakes up this morning. A couple of quick caters. And now we got into devante. Smith i will start with you mail. Land dickerson for those. That don't know alabama senator who didn't play until the final two snaps of last night but he helped himself explain. I just think the kid you watch him on the sidelines in uniform at the wwe hype man out there. It's amazing yeah. I just you talk about the enthusiasm of the intensity of the leadership that he provided got transferred in and what he did to anchor that talent laden line best offensive line and all of college football and to do the job. He did weaken in week out. He's going to be a solid second round. Pick in my opinion. Tell me what you think about that. I think he's the the best center. I just watch him carrying. Nick sabin off at the end of the game just to be part of it. Get a couple of snaps at the end. You wanna be out there for that. I was going to be in contact place on the downs but landed dickerson meant about leadership and just galvanizing team would. He met in that locker room practice field gains. He meant as much as just about anybody tied to what they were able to accomplish. Yeah we we watch a lot of football. I and and i guess i get numb to it. Sometimes because i'm just i'm watching the player you know the jersey number. Whatever it is. It's rare that. I get goosebumps. And i got goosebumps last night. You know watching him. Come on and then let him take that snap and then carrying coach off that. That's what it's all about man doesn't it's so special and and he's everything that you want in not only your offensive lineman but your center. You know he. He's the leader and he's the guy that was so cool. It was an excellent slip. And that's one thing was lost and all of this. I think we look back. And we said should they played the look at. He wanted to be on the field. You wanna put that uniform on and jalen waddell imagine if nick sabin and said no jalen were shutting you down. You're not we're we're the adult in the room here we're gonna do. We're not risk of putting you out there. Imagine what it hell jail. Wada would've felt today. You would have been said. You're right you're right. Let's think about that with all this criticism about who should he was limping before the game. Okay when he ran he was going to be limping no matter what but if you said no. We're not got the nfl ahead in this championship game. You're gonna stand on the sidelines. Your watch and you are not playing. It's in your best interest not to play and you're not playing everybody's been saying then had that happened. It would have been a whole different conversation so the nfl draft scheduled to begin on april. Twenty ninth but if it were conducted last night. I think that based off of twitter devante smith was going number two overall to new york jets behind only trevor lawrence to the jacksonville jaguars. I'll start with you mayo. How real is the possibility. Devante smith is a top five selection in the nfl. And how wise of investment would that be for a guy who has rewritten basically every alabama receiving record a handful of sec. Receiving records also been named the heisman trophy winner. Since we last talked anything you could possibly ask for from a resume standpoint. Devante smith already has it on his resume. He's spectacular. I mean and you look at him last night and what he was. I mean to get off the line of scrimmage with that burst and the way he just the way schools a corner and his development from where he was to where he is and coming back to that of a final year. How benefited devante smith ye. Ironically he got hurt on a drop. I mean you catches up all clean. He's not injured and he plays the whole game. Probably it was. Third drop of the year resulted in that finger and had issue. We add in the why he didn't play the rest of the year. So that's how that all ended in terms of his career at alabama for his greatest. He was winning heisman. Trophy ends that way. But he is. He's worthy of being the second. Pick in the draft with todd had gone three. I mean after after. Trevor lawrence penny sold tackle from oregon. You gotta put him as either. A second third best player in this draft dot is he. Is that high up on your board. And i think the question. It's easy to make the case for why he deserves to go. That high right. The the production just speaks for itself. I think probably the more difficult part of the conversation is to make the case against it if you're going to do so it's probably this tide is just that like go in top five for a wide receiver. Maybe a guy who has slightly more elite traits. He's not six three. He's not two hundred fifteen pounds randy moss in terms of the archetype. Does he still merit top-five consideration though in yearbook. Yeah i mean i. i'd love six six four two to fifteen but come on man. You gotta just just watch. This guy's absurd. Maybe the the little things that he does getting getting off of the press. They're a leak corners. That are trying to press him. And they don't have a chance. And then leveraging the stem getting you know self driving a guy down one way and then shaking them left and then coming back right and doing all in full speed but then also temple with temperatures routes and all the little things he does and then has a hundred and seventy one seventy five hundred and seventy five pounds receiver. He doesn't care about going over the middle he'll take the hit and he just keeps popping up. I just there's there dudes that are special and devante smith is special and that's it and you know it. It took this year because we had henry ruggs running the vertical roads with the four three speed. And we had jerry jeudy with his great route running and and we've always had Jalen waddell with his run after catch and so there were always four guys and now there are two this year and then when water went down it was. Oh who. Who's going to step up and john michie did i'll give him credit but devante has been at a different level and you can just see that he is. He's always been the most consistent even though over the course of the last two years and his route running and his toughness and his catching and traffic. And everything. I i i don't care if you're six four or six one. What's the difference if you can get open and you can catch the ball and you can make plays and you can make plays after the catch. What is the difference. I don't understand why everyone's so worried about six. Three six four twenty. Who cares if you can't see it. You're blind that's that's my opinion. It's nice to be julio jones field. I had that kind of size but to this point the year that marvin harrison. That's we all compare him to. And i was with marvin. The came out and he has the same mentality. The same mentality of of devante smith special worker baller all business everything you wanna say about a great professional head all and todd who went number one. The year that marvin harrison came out marvin and go number one. You know marvin wet. In the middle of the first to the colts right. Keyshawn johnson went number. One key went number. One key had that imposing size and had all those and he had a great career. Marvin didn't go number. Two three four five because he was slight. You know you'll get and coming out of syracuse and look at the hall of fame career. Marvin had so this notion that devante smith and two three coming off the board. Make to try to make the same argument. Marvin shouldn't have been two or three coming off after two key went number one. Yeah sometimes we gotta maybe not over. Think things so much based off of past and molds and sort of you know the check the box athletic skills or frames that we might normally assigned to a player to particular position at a. Wrap things up so todd. Last week you released your first mock draft first of many and just a reminder the mock draft rules which we might might adjust going forward are there are no trades. First round we'll work on that that's still to be determined. But what was the most popular piece of feedback. Maybe feedbacks crite quite the right word. Right like the right word. Puckett most frequent or feedback that you heard from the masses about your first month same thing that has been chirpin at me for for the last few days justin feels detain them. Higher could have gone to yes she could have gone to atlanta it for he could have gone to detroit at seven dallas. Ten san francisco right. I haven't been new england. Fifteen justin fields going. Fifteen is what. I've gotten the most the most trouble for you know over the course of the week but i honestly i i. I don't think he's ready yet. And we started this podcast talking about it and we're gonna end it talking about it. I don't think he's ready yet. So i think he could drop a little bit due. I think he's going to be at fifteen. No there's going to be a team that moves up for him. And i i i would project the trade but i think justin feels needs to go to a place where he has a year to develop. Let me just say this What todd said. We are going to make an executive decision here. And we're gonna and i hope our listeners happy. I told todd we give him a late christmas present. The rules are gone. There's no more roles you can make trays whenever you want. First round time been done. This is hugh royer typer. Warm outside it changed everything One one last mock draft shop mock draft thought before we get each of your minutes to sort of really close the show is we now know where the jets first pick acquired from the seattle seahawks will be first of two first round banks. It's big twenty-three mel. We're gonna talk about the number two pick a ton and i know it's harder to project who will be available the further remove. We are from tech one but whether it's a positional group or a particular player or players that you think makes sense for the jets at twenty three who might be on the radar right now. Well i think when you look down the line you're talking about the twenty third pick in the draft for the new york jets and depending upon what happens at that elite spot that number two spot will determine twenty three so it depends on. Who do you get at that point. What decision to you made. Is there a trade. Made the thinking about all the pics. The jets have right now so you have to really plug somebody in a to determine twenty-three we talk about what they need edge rusher corner thinking about running back receiver offensive line all these different issues that the jets have but who's that second pick is a penny soul as devante smith. Is it a trade down. So i don't want to dodge the question in terms what you said feel but it all hinges on what happens. Pick number two. I think it's hard not to do like a mock of the first five picks. I don't know how you guys do. The i eventually like sixty four picks in the draft quite an unenviable task at each of you have as we get closer to the actual draft itself. Let's get to our minutes. So todd i up on you and we talked a little bit earlier about najji harris but continue those thoughts about nausea and is incredible season this year. Yeah i i've just been impressed. I really have to. And i said it before but i think he's one of the most improved players from a year ago and it has just be hard work over the offseason and talking to people inside the building. What he did you know. Go into playgrounds and working out and doing the little things that you had to do. And knowing what he had to do. And i respect that part like actually listening to people say all right. You've got to get better at this. You gotta stop you your two hundred and thirty pound back. Get north and south and doing it and becoming more. Instinctive isn't inside runner. And then catching the ball more than steph's surtees offense and and and really becoming a threat after the catch and also handling his business in pass protection. He's become a complete back coming into the year. I think i had them at number three. I'd have to go back and look behind travesty. And there was another back that i had in there. But now say to me moving up. And i'm gonna next time. I released my rankings. He's going to be the number one back in this class ahead of travesty. Tm from clemson. And it's all because of what he did in the off season when everyone was worried about you know all the other stuff the external stuff that's social media the social issues that we have the kobe issues that we dealt with he just worked and i love that about him and now he's got such a league football character as well he really does. He really does now. Todd's one vacation each week when the college games and hanging out on the side and i'm here grind here and the now vetoed doing all this stuff and a couple months ago. I made the move with nashi harris couple months ago. That number one running back spot. I just in complete and i just think todd field watching him play. He loves the game and he's over there with a smile on his face. Everything he can do he sense and actually a smart running back to have a sense of where the chains are. What do i need to do on this run. He goes into every play. What do i need to do. The make display work individually. Okay and what. He did create on his own yards. That were just not there and they were key yards. This'll fourteen point game at one point. This wasn't a gaming. Oh it was. A rat was a fourteen point game late third quarter so or six minutes ago. Third quarter so again. You're talking about. Nashi delivering what he had to catch. The ball blocking. Yeah i guess. I think you know as far as running backs go. I like travis t. n. No question about it like tracer but this guy to me is clearly without a doubt todd and feel he is without a doubt. There's a distance twain nausea. And everybody else at running back right now. Yeah he just played so well from start to finish this entire year that alabama team might be one of the best. If not the best that we've ever seen under the guidance of nick sabin so that's what we had this week here for first draft for good by a reminder to do us a favor please. 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2021 NFL Combine Concerns

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2021 NFL Combine Concerns

"Welcome into another edition of the first draft. Podcast bill gates mel kiper. And todd mcshay with you as we are every tuesday right around. Four p m eastern time available to get you caught up on all the latest. With the nfl draft and tottenham mel. We'd said last week it was the start of the pre draft process. Feels like we're getting closer and closer. Do you guys know that we are one hundred days away from the nfl draft as we're having this conversation right now one hundred days. I'm sure you guys both had that one written down somewhere. No pet today. Heart palpitations be honest. You knew that right. I had no idea station that at this stage of the game. One hundred days. One hundred and fifty or fifty. Does it really matter. You know what you have to do between now in late april and you try to do it. The best you can in a year that has been anything but the way we figured we would evaluate players. And i think we've all tried to look at guys and figure out what combines gonna be like how you're gonna get the measurable you need the nfl's trying to work that through with combine. Not being what. It has been all these years. You've heard about that mouth. Because i'm starting to hear more and more about essentially no combine or virtual combine with only a certain number of people. I i don't know what the specifics are. But i'm starting to hear more and more momentum towards at least resolution. Yeah more of a pro day the situation and try to get the accurate measurable and times and had zoom calls for interviews and the medical is going to be something they'll work through and get that don of the combine as we know it in late february will not be the way it has been so i think You know we see all these kids now see seniors with option some going back some coming out. I think we can get into the day. Why certain kids and he got something. Why did certain kids come out. Why did certain kids stay. What would have been a better move or move that you may have would've thought we would have advised them to do something different. So i think that's all things that we we need to be discussing. I think because a lot of these kids The give you a little bit of a head scratcher with some of the decisions they make yet and for those that may be missed. The memo that was distributed From the nfl to the thirty two teams on monday the nfl did tell teams that the combine as we know it as you guys are both said is not going to be what it has been for so many years it will not be in indianapolis basically the physical side of the combine will be done at pro days and the nfl is working through with medical professionals with the various teams to gather as much medical information as we know in the case of some prospects that are very highly touted. The medical side of the combine can be the most important or one of the most important aspects of the combine. So it'll be a much much different pre-draft process this year. The scary part of that is you can have. I don't know thirty. Six six inch arm's length when they measured at the combine and then thirty four and a half inch arms when when you're at so varying from pro day to pro day across the country and all these different schools you don't now we're back to not really knowing what a measurement is and who's operating it and who's allowed to be there to to you know to overlook it and make sure that they're doing it properly you know that's that's gonna take a lot of work from a lot of different people to try to create as much of an apples to apples evaluation as we possibly can have trust in. Those measurements is something. You always had that todd and we always knew what was going to be verifiable. We knew what schools tell you what we hear in august and sometimes that vary so you always get which i thought coming in then you go to senior bowl then you talk about combine. And he's pro days and all these numbers kind of never add up. Sometimes you see one at various from another so in this case when you're gonna say one is going to be the one you're supposed to put in pen and be verifiable and be accurate. If in fact this year is the way. That's the way we're going to have to do it. Will that final number be something that you can trust and move forward with trying to figure out parameters at this has to have arm length year has to have this measurable here with is not within this certain area than we may pass on that player so all those things that go into the i guess the analytics of the numbers of the physical athletic skill. These players is going to be very difficult to try to figure. He reminds me of catherine murray whose heights about change like four times before the twenty nineteen. Nfl draft right. He seemed to be all within a couple of our. I guess a couple of eighths of an inch but as we know as you guys have alluded to Those precise measurements or something. The teams really really value. There's going to be a certain trust place in these pro day measurements which In previous years was offset by the combine. We did have some news on monday. beyond just combine announcement that was distributed to teams. It was the deadline for underclassmen to declare for the twenty twenty one. Nfl draft and we got some of the expected. News like for example justin fields officially declaring for the draft. The ohio state quarterback. But todd. i'll start with you. Is there anybody that surprised you either. Declared to be a part of the draft or declared the remaining college for one more season. I was little bit surprised at ohio state wide receiver crystal ave decided to return. I know i know. He didn't have his best game in the national championship game. But he had a great season and he's been a really consistent good player plus you know. You're you're losing your quarterback. And i know they've got the next one up in ohio state they always when ryan day's going to coach them up but to ceo laude not on. That list was surprising to me. Because now i don't know about you. But i thought you know probably worse case. His own somewhere in the second round and what shapes up is a a pretty deep wide receiver class and then this one might surprise you mel as well sam. Cosco's me the offensive tackle from texas. I think he needs to return to school. I don't. I don't think he had the season that that maybe everyone is kind of projecting on mock drafts and and rankings That has probably led him to believe that he's going to be a first round pick now. He may have gotten a second round grade from the adviser advisory committee and they may have set in. There's a group that they caused me family. Say you know what that's good enough for us. We're ready to go. And and the situation there with the coaching change and everything else but to me. He's he's a player that i think really could've benefited from one more year of school. Yeah he's one of those polarizing guys if you see him in certain games you say boy. I like his skills his left tackle and he's certainly played right tackle as well and others where he's had some trouble in those one situation so i think he's going to be one of those guys. I think teams baby. Roll the dice for a little earlier than maybe some. Thank you really should. It'll be a lot of differences of opinion while he went way too high. But somebody's gonna take. I think that's gonna be one of the guys who have different views on. I thought jason away from penn state was a kid field and ties it. When you think sack production understand. It's not all about sacks about hurries and pressures and all that but shaq a tony at five sacks. Jason didn't have a sack. He did have some tackles for loss. And all that but i think when you look at last year with five sacks and thirteen games this year six and tackles for loss fourth on the team in tackles ten tackles against maryland nine against the brassica so he was active in making plays. But when you come out with no sacks forced fumbles and you're an edge guide and you're only a third year sophomore and you haven't really put it all together yet with that impressive sack production That's something where. I would say at six four and a half to fifty with the potential. He display last year getting those five sacks and i would have thought go back for another year. Tony moves on. You'll be the guy. Be the sack artists and come into the draft with people thinking that you can be a really coming off. That edge can be disruptive rather than coming into the draft with talent but not yet being a finished product. Yeah male and we never know the full story about why some of these athletes are choosing to declare for the draft could be as know in the cases of some of them. It could be a family issue where they did support a family and the sooner they can make money playing football professionally can go a long way for their personal situation. But when you look at someone like jason. I just be curious. Like how high can he climb in the draft after he said like how. What was the last time. An edge rusher had zero sacks and either a catapulted updraft boards or be wound up being really dynamic player in the nfl feels borderline unprecedented to me. Yeah inside we can t i. I saw that. And i was really surprised. I had owais ranked going into the year as a guy could be one of the top ten top five best combo guys edge. Rushers coming out as you watched him just not get it done is a sack guy. Not be the guy that was roy being dynamic on the field with those well pleasure. Figura boy okay. He's going to go back. It's almost automatic. But it didn't happen that way. So i understand what which saying. I just always have believed if you'll get it without any other factors if you're not a first round pick and you have a chance to go back to chris. Alavi todd. maybe he's looking at devante. Smith saying devante was a late one. Yeah he got better work on his frame. Your may be looks at devante. Maybe the the one that he would say. That's an identifiable player. Heisman trophy winner national champion. Had all that individual and team success and got better for moving from a late one to a top pick top three pick overall maybe devante smith factor in the crystal the decision. I don't know but maybe it's hard not to think of that jump now. It's obviously really difficult to just assumed. Any player could replicate devante season this year. Todd like i mean we. We've never we've never seen any wide receiver dominate like he. Did i understand you. Martinez had a great year. The before for lsu but eisman trophy winner the first time ap college player of the year for a wide receiver. It was a special season for a new quarterback too. Yeah i guess on. That note feels thinking about this and todd. I just wanna get your feelings on this. And i'll throw it out there. I think i've been discussing it on the mel show. I know. I don't know if we've talked about it here but trae lance coming into the nfl which is seventeen starts only one. This year talked about twenty-five starts with the nfl really prefers coming out of north dakota state. He had five games in two thousand. Nine thousand nine hundred was at fifty six point five percent completion in a game or less. He had gains where he was only throwing the ball. Maybe fifteen times. When an average is most attempts in a game was thirty one he was fifteen thirty one game. He did play this year for hundred and forty nine yards with his first interception. Now he did run the ball. Well and that game against central arkansas october third. But i thought guys you got. Notre dame in jacko transferred from wisconsin. Ohio states looking at quarterback. Oh as back there mumford. Back tyreek. smith's back. Ohio states looking for that guy texas or occasion taking over eleanor. Moving forward so. I thought i would have a quarterback like that would only seventeen starts off a game. i understand. it's only one game but that's all you have and there's nothing else here with the way we're evaluating players and we're not getting the information we always have. Why not if you're trae lance. I'm saying or player like that. And go to a school. Like the russell wilson went. Nc state to wisconsin for one year. Why not go to a notre dame ohio state taxes or whoever that wants you to play another season and put up the numbers in come into the nfl draft. There's a possible top. Five top ten pick overall and especially in a year where i've obviously trevor lawrence was locked in at number one. But then you get you get zack. Wilson from byu emerging justin feels is is going to be a top ten pick coming out of ohio state. Mack jones coming out of nowhere for alabama. After just four starts year ago to pick sixes against auburn playing pretty well against michigan. He never thought mack jones was going to be mad jones this year and now he's pushing to me. Maybe maybe the third quarterback taken off the board in terms of the quarterback class. so now. you've got four quarterbacks very likely to be taken ahead of you. I don't disagree. I i actually think it would be a great idea for trae lance to go learn from a quarterback coach learned from someone who can develop them better and improve on that part of his game. We know competitive. We know he's big. We always strong. We know we can run. We know it can make those flash throws but we don't know is his consistency throwing the football whether it's on the run or inside the pocket and i think that's what he really needs to prove moving forward and that's why i think if you do draft him he's probably gonna go late in the first round in my in my opinion but if you do draft him you better be prepared to sit him and give him a year like we talked about. Pat mahomes style behind a veteran quarterback who we can learn from and knowing that have a coaching staff that can actually coach him and take the time with a backup quarterback in order to get him where you need him. No one thought that. I i sorta hesitate to share because i don't want to come across as a potential wet blanket but i do wonder if any of these players who have decided to declare for the nfl draft are mindful of the fact that while we really hope the college football looks like college football by the time we roll back around for summer camps august. Who knows right likud knows what next season will look like especially for guys some of the smaller schools that may not have just the funding necessary to make games or reality but well. That's what i thought. In his case field maybe go to a big ten school co two big twelve school. You know go to notre dame go right. Yeah yeah. I mean you saw. Justin field goes ohio state from georgia. No justin fields leaves. You could step right in these back saying things that would make sense. If you were looking in. That direction would been those particular big time programs. That feel like we're a piece away from being where we want to be We gotta lavi going back without knowing who the quarterback is. But there's trae lance sitting there only one game north dakota state coming in as todd said always other quarterbacks cal. Trask even florida having a big year and mack jones and everything. That zack wilson did. So it's different now than it was back. In august. September october when trae lance was sitting there as one of the elite guys so now all of a sudden you know with the process being impacted by covert and everything. We're not doing that. We were and you only played one game and you weren't impressive in that one game throwing the football you're gonna just go on a few games in two thousand and one thousand nine hundred and only seventeen. Total starts at north dakota state. Is that enough of a body of work to say. I'm gonna take this kid in top fifteen top twenty. I don't think so. go back. Play a year wherever it is and if it was a major college elite auto power five program and you put up numbers and you come in and you could say another year if you want but if you want to say one year only if you come in you have the talent with production and consistency at an elite program to be a top five top ten. Pick where this year. You're certainly not going to be up. That high yeah. We don't have the full list of players that declared yet for the twenty twenty one. Nfl draft amongst underclassmen. But we do know. It's a long list. We know there are a lot of interesting names Trae lance amongst those that are compelling and potentially in the first round mix It's rare that we can have a story they can sort of dominate the news cycle. That has nothing to do with the teams left in the nfl season or necessarily the nfl draft but still dominating like it isn't that right now is to shawn watson and his unhappiness with the texans organization. Sorta wanted to play are sort of doing a mock exercise. If you will wear both mallon todd will serve. As a general manager for teams that have whether directly or indirectly been linked as possible suitors. For shawn watson if he ever became available for a trade and kind of work away through negotiation and get some of the guys thoughts on what they would do if they were houston and what they would do if they were other teams. So now i'm going to go to you. I can imagine that you are joe. Douglas which means you had the honor of playing college football with todd mcshay back in the day so that already is a win for you but let's start here. I want you to make a package. Or make an offer for shawn watson and but what would be your stance if you were a texans about trading to sean period and then be like. Are you even bothering making an offer. If you're the jets or you confident enough in sam darnold and the picks you have to get this thing right. Well it's going to be costly and to shawn. Watson is a franchise quarterback. Now he had to add the tornado at clemson did have another knee injury with houston texans early on rookie year. Another torn acl. And he hasn't been banged up a lot because talking about yeah behind a low fence line. That was struggling mightily at times and not having the andre hopkins and other things that they didn't do ironically very similar with david carr had at the oath when he was the number one. Pick overall to the houston texans so houston texas. Haven't done a good job. Helping after quarterbacks in the car era and now in the shawn watson europe but with that said if i'm the houston texans and i'm nick caserio new gm. I'm working this out with the shawn watson. You know i'm i'm in an asc. Loaded with great young quarterbacks. Okay i got one of them was already led me to the playoffs and won a game last year and almost you know they were twenty four nothing in the second quarter over kansas city last year at arrowhead people forget that so i think the sean is a given. Why would you wanna move him. Because it's about not being happy work it out. It's called communication as calling making people feel like there. The guy working with that player do everything we can to let him know that. And trust that organization out with the new. Gm new head coach coming in that. We got all this this positivity not negativity but positively about what we can do in this division. Indianapolis isn't going to move forward with philip. Rivers will see. They got to have a quarterback figured out there with rivers age. You think about where. Jacksonville is what trevor lawrence should be great but still going to be a rookie. New coach over meyer. We'll see their tennessee with tannehill and company. That's hall as your good team but not elite. So i have the quarterback. I can build around them. I'm not trading shawn watson houston. And if i'm the jets todd give up a ton of draft picks. Move sam darnold for a two. I would rather keep sam and use all those draft picks to build around him. So let's i think it's important to note that i don't know how many people if they had the control panel. Texans would be advocating four trading to shawn watson. The question is whether houston gets to a point where there is no return right whether it's schanzer unhappiness whether it's the organization just feeling like it can do no more to get him back to where he needs to be invested in them or should say they'd be invested in him so they may reach a point of no return in their minds. It's not the first time star player has been traded. we don't see nearly as frequently In the nfl. Is we do other sports but we saw in another team in houston and the nba. Recently were. They finally reached the point where they said. Hey james hardy wants out and we've reached the point where the offer is just too good to ignore but if you had to so i think we probably all agree and i'm sure todd i just get your thoughts. I'm assuming you agree with the idea. Like you're not trading john watson if it's your choice no no i mean again you. You've got to be in both buildings and you've got a at least be in one building and know what you're getting mentally and and where where your quarterback is and the pounding he's been through and where he is physically but it all things are equal. I'm i'm sticking with the quarterbacks that i have i know you can make. It sounds nice to say well if we trade out of number two and draft whether it's ju- justin feels from ohio state or exact wilson from. Byu whichever one you want. It sounds nice it. Well we're gonna save money over the next few years because the second contracts is gonna come up with with With darnold sitting there number two and obviously with With the shawn watson coming up as well but we're you know the money gets bigger and bigger contracts. Go on and on. But the problem is to me. And i've heard talk about you. Know the jets making the trade with houston for you. Know bradford and and And walks in i to me. It just doesn't make sense. I don't think you're getting huge upgrade. If i'm if i'm the jet sitting at number two i'm saying you know what i love sean. He's he's a really good player. I might even think he's slightly better than sam. But sam's content and sam wants to help us build this thing. We have picked to twenty three in the first round this year. Thirty four sixty six and eighty seven so five picks in the first eighty seven. That should be least for starters. You're getting right there. And to really impact starters with that second and twenty third overall pick and then by the way we have to first rounders next year. First rounder in the second and the first round in the third. So you're talking about a four rounders to to second rounders and three third rounders count those up. I mean you're building half of the roster right there in the next two drafts and and that's not including if a team wants to move up to go get that number two pick because you've decided to stay with with a sam darnold that that number two spot so t might get. Linda might want to jump up and make sure they get ahead of a team. Potentially like let's say Detroit seven carolina at eight dallas at ten new england fifteen. They might want to move up and get one of these quarterbacks so they could wind up with even more draft capital. And just knowing ozzie. Newsome in an eric decosta and joe. Doug wisconsin that tree that he came from that that seems to be how they handle business is. Let's take advantage of teams. That are desperate to come move up and get that player that they want and then let's move back because we know as great as we think we are great as we all think we are evaluating players. It's it's around fifty fifty and so let's give ourselves more opportunity especially in the first and second rounds to get guys that can command and be impact players. And how about this. Let's finally put a solid offensive line in front of sam which they i know they worked on last year. But let's kenema difference maker wide receiver. Let's get a young running back to tea can grow old. Let's get a defense that can keep him off the field and not put him in spots where he has a gonna make throws and and you know really test the waters on ordinarily with with a leader in a close game he might not have to. So certainly. Sam has worked to do as a quarterback and he's still makes them young mistakes. But i i would much rather have all of this draft capital then to make a deal. I'm giving up some of these picks to to go. Get a shawn watson or to or to the deal to deal sam and bring in a rookie quarterback injustice fields who was inconsistent. What's called that he's inconsistent. Some big games played great one in the semifinal did not play well in the final did not play. Well we gets northwestern. Did not play well against indiana this year. And then it zach wilson who. I love the competition level. Wasn't that high so we don't know what we're getting with those guys and we know what we're getting with sam all right so you guys are both more bullish on sam darnold and i think many and i would say probably even me so entertain me here for a second male and then we'll go to the offense in a sexual if you are the jets put together an offer an understanding that the first offer never gets the job done But we also are involved these conversations. Well imagine that. We've zoomed past our. I offer maybe our second and third offer the final offer that you would make to houston to say. Hey if we give you a few. You're willing to trade us to shawn watson here the picks that we are willing to offer you or players in return but what might that look sure and then you would have to straight sanford to whatever you can whatever you can get for. Sam sam would be dealt okay. So that would bring back. Let's say just for the sake of argument a second round pick up your to your twenty-three up your to thirty four yup a one next year because you have to once Do you have to throw in a three next year. I don't know but that's a ton of draft picks. Give up for the shawn watson trade. Sam you get to back so but you've lost a lot of pieces you've lost a lot of starters they think about. That's probably four to five starters. You're losing but you're getting to shawn watson. okay and to shawn. Watson is a given sam darnold. We can all hope. That sam's gonna be great. But he's not yet there and well there will be there or not is debatable. To shawn watson is great but you're losing the ability to improve around him because you gave up all those picks and jets have a lot of holes so now you've got to show him but you'll lost a lot of draft picks this year and next year that you have sitting there so if sam is going to be great that would be a move. I agree with todd. If you roy believe in him we know he's not great yet. But if you believe in him to get there then you keep those picks but if you don't feel sand is ever going to be anything more than a tease quarterback where by that. I mean he looks like he may be could be when certain gains but then he falls back and he's a turnover machine and he just never falls into place. If you have hesitancy about sam then you would make that move okay. Because let's face it. You're in a division josh allens. Not going away. Miami's the other team in that division. They have draft capital. They could give up draft picks and say okay. We know two as okay. We like them place. Head injuries in wallace over arms. Got get a little stronger. Maybe it was the hip that didn't allow the armstrong shine through this year. But the sean clearly better let's give it up for the sean. That's a team more ready to win now than the jets are and more out of overall personnel whereas maybe they feel like we can give up those draft picks and get the sean and moved to and get weekend there and maybe that trade would make more sense for them. So i think it's the greatness of sean. As opposed to two quarterbacks darnold and to a proven entities at this point yeah so just a recap the the offer was basically picks to and twenty three in the first round this year at twenty two twenty two first round pick a couple of second round picks plus a couple a third round picks as well. If i'm houston the reason why this offer is attractive again. Attractive is a relative term right. You hate the idea of giving up. The shawn watson is because if you are in love with a non trevor lawrence quarterback in this year's class. He's there waiting for you. You're guaranteed it right. You're the you're the only other team big of you is the jaguars and they're taking trevor. Probably in my perfect world. If i'm houston a measuring the offer against what somebody else could offer. So mel obser- todd your now. Chris greer the dolphins general manager and this is an interesting decision. A are you prepared to make an offer. For deshaun watson which would concede that too is not your guy long-term if you choir him. Acquire a shawn watson and be. What's that offer look like well. If i'm willing to concede and i think it's a significant upgrade. And i also realize how much money is the difference is going to be in the next few years. I think that like you know you probably were two of. You're probably get a first round. Pick some point. So you're you're you're gonna have to move him out of miami and get a late. I is what i'm guessing at this point and then in order to get the shawna. Yeah you probably talking about A first first and second problem. Maybe i this year first next year either a second or third the following year would-be by guests. Yeah i mean it's it's going to be a lot overwhelming decades talking you to post your first. You're probably getting the first floor. If you're miami you're probably getting another first for For moving moving out of out of town. I wonder if the tech or may or maybe a second because everyone knows you're trying to move him. Yeah i find that interesting. Totta say well we get to to get a one for two but to for darnold darnold about a quarterback. I you get a two for darnold you said you get. I said this isn't a part of male because to is one year into his contract. Sam is two years in so you're a year away from sam's price tag going up significantly right now. We said all of us. I'll issue feel todd if you have confidence in a great quarterback to based on what we've seen right now who would you go with. I'm i'm assuming this be consensus. And i'll go sam darnold i mean and i a darnold. Ti they're still. sam approve. But i would say you're telling me that that new england fifteen one consider sam darnold. I'm not trading on the new if if the jets were moving about v ten the dallas depending on on dax health. I've heard i keep hearing too. I mean i don't i i'm with you. I just when i heard you say to a one and i mentioned arnold a two two will get you a one darnold shigeo so with your todd. Why wouldn't you washington red if you're if you're the washington football. Tom saying they're sam over to whether it's late one early to whatever the rangers. I'm taking sam over to at this point thumb washington. I'll give up to now. would you rather have. I mean i think you mock trae lance to washington. I'd rather sam darnold that trait lance. So i'm making that move in a second so i'm with you title and darnold i. I'm with you on that On the washington. I'll give you the nineteenth bacon in a second for sam darnold and i even think about. I think i could be wrong here. The core public opinion. I think probably hold sam in a less solid regard that you guys believe in more and again agree. Everyone's entitled to their opinion right and we don't know which is true. People you talk to the league do not have as high opinion a lot of them about sam as as we tend to have put it all comes down to. He's he's been in the league too long to be making someone mistakes that he's making right so and but i but then i and i'm listen. I didn't draft him. I'm not you know. I don't have this. I don't have a cell phone number. We don't talk. I'm just going off of what i see. I see a guy who's had no supporting cast doubt and it's so hard in a dysfunctional organization from coaching standpoint and from all the arguments that went on jamal adams and leave you on bell like that is not from what happened within the coaching staff. That was not a healthy happy place to be this past year. I mean we've seen it in. These are extreme examples but ryan tannehill is a guy who the infrastructure wasn't as great in miami. Obviously he got hurt. He to tennessee is a basically that was like a bag of balls was the return for him. Essentially to be marcus mariota backup and he has thrived in two years since they had a guy that i've wanted to go too far back because you're very young field young and i'll go back to jim. Plunkett the same thing with him his career when he came out of stanford. So yes there. I've been quarterbacks way back in the day that were banged up a lot and beat up a lot with a team. That didn't do the things around them to make them success when they moved on and they found success other places so that has happened long ago. And it's happened not that long ago and it will happen again. So you're right but i do think it's an it's it's a great discussion about miami. And the jets with the shawn watson being the congo wildcard. Here that we know is great. But the you want to give up. A ton of draft picks to acquire them. Yeah i tend to think that like my aunt simple. This is oversimplifying it. Obviously but whatever the price tag is. I think it's gonna end up being worth it for shawn. Watson one factor. I wouldn't underrated and we're putting the cart before the horse has been traded yet. But you guys are right in that. If you trade for the shawn watson you could be depleting your draft capital one. Good thing for both the jets and the dolphins is that they're going to be a healthy cap situation and to sean going to have some gravitational pull free agents right guys are gonna wanna play there. It's not no millions of dollars on the table. But you could have guys that are. Hey i'd take thirteen million to be a number one wide receiver or whatever you know. Whatever the amount is fifteen million to be your number one wide receiver new york versus seventeen million to be your number one wide receiver in another market with a lesser quarterback. Is there anybody else that other one you todd first and then mel at another team that just miami and the jets seemed to be the obvious wants to look into because the draft capital but anybody else. You're saying to yourself. Like i'd be making i i'd be sniffing around here. I'd be doing some serious homework. On the potential for sean trade. The patriots fifteen. You know everything about ballot check in the patriots might do it right just just bringing in a guy who has the leadership that you're looking for You know they they when they want to be multiple. They wanna be able to do some things that they did with cam this year but they also want to be more consistent obviously throwing football inside the pocket and having the timing offense and and i think that. What's that's what this on could bring you Again what's dak prescott long term prognosis. I think that's another thing to keep an eye on carolina sitting eight You know those are three teams really kinda of jumped out at me mo. yeah. I just don't think if you're houston. Don't wanna drop down too far. It's gotta get you that that either that quarterback or elite player there. So you gotta be picking high and you gotta have a lot of draft capital. 'cause you're not gonna give sean away. It's gonna take a lot. You see what those teams have given up over the past five to ten years for quarterback system move up and get an unknown entity. Go back to the. Rg three trae. Go back to all different when you go back. Teams moving up to get a quarterback that as an unproven quantity. They've given up a ton field. You can speak to that how much it costs draft. I just move up. A few spots to get back yard. Degree was three one. Three one to choose into three. Total shawn watson given a proven phrase twenty-five years old granny the to acl's bay still want twenty-five the prime of his career and he's proven to be a great quarterback. I think the one thing that makes us really interesting is if you make a move like that. You're giving up on darnell and you're giving up onto because you're bringing into sean. So you better at that. Makes it really tricky. Because you're giving up on your young quarterback that you brought in it as both darnold shown signs two of and it's coming off the injured so we knew he wouldn't be one hundred percent this year in terms of what he's capable of doing. But you have those two quarterbacks you could deal now you can get draft picks for those two which help you feel you give up draft capital you get draft capital back for for those guys in terms of we hope a first round pick but again. I think that's why it's a. It's a fun discussion. I if i'm houston. I'm keeping the sean and i'm making them happy field. It seems like listen to you. Feel you think the sean we'll be traded. Well i just think there's there's a lot of smoke right and you are. I agree my goal to make him happy. I'm not sure what can be done to make the sean happy right now. There's irreparable in your mind. It's close to it. It's close to it. And obviously we don't see trades like this very frequently in the nfl. But we don't see quarterbacks with this much cachet and clout and ability right and this much power and influence this upset that frequently man. I can't think of the last time. We had a quarterback this miserable of sean watkins. Who do you think Field in your mind. It would make the most sense. If you are trading to shawn watson seems like you feel. There's pretty good chance that could happen. Yeah who's the after all the things. Todd i pointed out in this first half hour here. Who would you think is the best option for sean watching the betrayed it. To the dolphins and morton chef the report about the viability of like. You know how he would that would be one of two shawn's preferred targets. And here's the reason why but separate from that first of all there are potential resources. You have the third pick in the draft. I know i mentioned how you know. The two is the golden goose peck. Because it means you all if you love someone besides trevor lawrence. You're guaranteed of that player. You got a good job having picked three. You've got the eighteenth overall. Pick available for miami as well. You could make it six and fifty eight you on all this year. All these picks for miami and for miami standpoint. I understand that it would be waving the white flag onto you know what though it's a sunk cost -at's ask the cardinals how they feel about moving on from josh rosen enquiring calamari. They're in a much healthier standpoint or much healthier franchise spot now than they were. When josh rosen was an unproven after one year rookie. That looked like maybe he wasn't. He's gonna take some serious time to develop beyond that. You're miami you've got a team that we know is on the precipice. They missed the playoffs. After winning ten games this season the really good. You got a defense. That is nasty on book up front in the secondary. I think that miami. With with the sean i mean good. Lord they could be. I know the bills are really really good. So i want to say that the afc east favorites next year but they could be a top four team in the afc. Right away with the shawn. Watson really interesting and they've got a healthy catheterization now and going forward so there's some there are certainly some avenues. That miami into sean makes sense. But that's that's just part of the conversation surrounding the nfl draft who also have a huge predrag process ahead of us in next week. Both todd and i will be down in mobile alabama for the twenty twenty one senior ball which were gracious The gym nagy the executive director and his team have been able to coordinate and navigate all the hurdles that we know everybody's dealing with right now but there will be a senior bowl and one bit of news. Davante smith the heisman trophy. Winning a wide receiver is going to the cbo. He's accepted an invite but he's just going to do the medical stuff. He's not going to participate. You know he had that that hand pinkie finger issue at halftime of the national championship. Game and be honest with you guys. I'm not sure there's a whole lot to prove on the field. From devante smith but i'll go to both email What's the benefit here for devante to show up for this game. I mean somebody could be easy for him to say no one no one to matter eyelash right now but i think showing up and going through. And if being dan there the meet and greets out in the how much contact will be allowed when you guys are down there but i think in terms of devante great kid alabama kid in mobile. You're in tuscaloosa. Why not. I mean just to meet and greet talked as many people they see. He's all football. He's a baller he's he's all business degrade attitude great approach. You mentioned the medical. But i gotta do anything as doesn't need to do anything on the field for any any any at any time and place from now until the late april when the draft. Bill's around but certainly It's an opportunity. Jason witten came at early from tennessee. Jason was senior bowl just out there on the field watching talking showing how businesslike and professional he was about the job coming up for him so i i have no issue. I think it's a great opportunity for the sean for For devante like we've talked about shawn watson. The true professionals at the shawn watson jason witten marvin harrison all the guys. We brought up todd that we knew had the approach that you want. Devante smith has that and ban down there proves at once again. And it's good to see to just just talking to jim nagy today. You know the the quarterbacks a lot of times it's just they're not interested in coming to this event and and you gotta remember a lot of them are under underclassmen but You know mac. Jones maybe stepping in for kyle. Trask kyle get an ankle. Injury suffered in the sec championship game and he threw it in the in the ball game. But it's just not right and so it. It doesn't make any sense to practice for the week. So seems like he'll he'll come down your through the process and it was my understanding that the mack jones strongly considering taking that spot. And which would i mean. Can you imagine all the fans that were gonna show up the practice every day to see you know their quarterback one more time wearing that helmet. It'd be cool. Seem to see In book from notre dame is planning on playing. Sam allender who you know. The the struggle has a passer at times. But it's just been an absolute ballers a four year starter for texas and can carry. That football team has as much as he could soda. There are some big name quarterbacks. That are going to be down there and it you know jim does is as good a job as any of putting together. These rosters communicating with nfl teams. Making sure the players that teams and scouting ceiling departments want to have on the field and he can. He went through this being tire roster for two hours with us today just talking through kind of the reasons. Why guys were there. What he likes about the positives. What to look for and It's just it's really cool to see how how it's being managed. And i'm i'm more fired up for this one then then i have been in a long time. Because of the quarterbacks be because the scale player possessions guys like niko collins who didn't get get get to play really you know but you go back after opting out this past year. He had a first second round grade coming into the year he had averaged nineteen point seven yards in twenty nineteen michigan two years ago. And and just you know opted out this year. We haven't been able to see him so to know that he's going to come out and show his skills with all these other big time wide receivers and tight ends. It's gonna be fun to watch a man who's a player that by the way all the huge senior bowl podcast next week and the week after wants the game is over. Play more to come from our coverage for mobile but is there a player mouth that you are keeping your eye on that. You're really excited to see next week. During the week of practice. A lot of guys. I've mentioned collins. Collins had a huge game against penn state in two thousand nineteen huge game against indiana led the big ten in that average per. Catch the todd reference at nineteen point seven yards. And he's six four. So yeah definitely nikolai about his teammate. Embry thomas the corner at three interceptions seven pass breakups at a nice year. Six feet tall and a really good year at michigan two seasons ago ellison smith at a northern iowa that combo guy six seven six six to fifty length a wrestler basketball track in high school in two thousand nineteen northern iowa at fourteen sacks five forced fumbles. He's the kinda guy didn't play this year. But he's a guy that and then dylan rates. The left tackle north dakota state had the one game fifth year senior. Thirty two starts at left. Tackle the all conference basketball shot. Put her in high school as well dylan ratings from north dakota state to see how he keeps those pass rushers at bay during their senior bowl. Practices will be important for him if he's hoping to be the first or second round draft choice. Wait to see all of these players both from the small schools in the big schools. You guys both mentioned mack jones and the fact that he's going to be there down in mobile as well and i this with daniela. Great intrepid producer before the show and the the senior bowl week is unique in a lot of ways. But i think he'd be really impactful for quarterbacks especially because as we know it's the position that's different than every other in the nfl and their recent examples of quarterbacks who went to mobile and solidified their standing with in the draft community within the nfl within certain teams boards. Daniel jones we know. The giants became enamored with him after the week spent in mobile carson wentz really saw stock rise. Back in two thousand sixteen justin. Herbert last year obviously had a really solid senior bowl week as well. So i think mac baker mayfield. Josh allen came out you guys who have repeatedly. I don't know about maybe other artificially or legitimately risen up boards. I think mack jones can go down there and show not just the panthers and the dolphins you're coaching but every other team it's down there all the intangibles that you hear about but you don't fully appreciate until you see them right. Misses a a person who met as much alabama's program as anybody this year including devante smith obviously A guy who has many listen to this no. He was a third string quarterback and never thought about transferring. Never gave up just kept. Competing earned the job when he had his one full season as a starter had a record setting year for alabama so looking forward to seeing what he does with his draft stock next week and whether he does enough to potentially. I think there's a chance guys. Maybe you know this is more your evaluation skills than mine with a really good week next week. He could be the fourth quarterback off the board behind which which we believed to be the big three Trevor lawrence obviously justin fields. And then also zach wills and maybe have someone like trae lance. Yeah and jamie newman. I think todd you guys will be watching. Jamie newman wake forest. The two years ago he was at a at sixty one percent twenty six chance to throw eleven picks but he uses legs rush over five hundred yards. Almost six hundred yards and six touchdowns opted out to not play georgia after a transfer from wake forest. Georgia didn't play georgia This year so he comes into the senior bowl week with an awful lot to prove in terms of trying to improve his draft stock and cowan mon from texas. a&m who up and down throughout his career little bit more consistent this year but cowan mont has a great opportunity to to show what he can do and You know talk to nagy. He said reminds me a little bit. Colin kaepernick in terms of his skill set being raw but having physical tools and if he gets in the right system i can have success in the nfl. Very i mean telling mon for those. Who don't know as baxter which they probably do but like the guy. His father has been grooming him to be a quarterback since like almost literally since he could walk like the this long journey for callan mind and he's an interesting guy to see where he winds up in the draft. Which is as. I mentioned this supper. The show just one hundred days away back next week. I think we're gonna try to make. The show happened from mobile. As both todd. And i will be down there. But in the meantime please do us a small favor. If you can you go to. I tunes you wanna rate review and subscribe or wherever you. Listen to your podcast. Make sure you subscribe to the podcast. Mel we'll talk to you. We'll let you next week. You just won't be there with us. I will not be there at sixty years of age with underlying conditions. I don't want a part of being near you too. So you know you guys go to enter where you're mass to your social distancing and have a lot of fun watching that i would. I would get after you mel. But what can i say too that you went. I was gonna say todd. Mel could've excluded the part about being sixty and having underlying medical conditions. He could've just said. I don't want any part about being around the to you that all your topics in the case the past twenty years. Well now we'll talk to you for mobile next week. Todd i'll see you down there and safe travels to utah and everybody we listening. 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"The lee. Brings us closer closer to the moment. When the next generation of NFL stars learned their destiny and franchises. Try to lay the foundation for the next dynasty wavy bird big. This is first draft now alongside NFL draft insiders Melkite junior and Todd mcshay Pierce, Chris Brown. Well, this is it guys. Draft is finally done. No, you handed out one day target handed up best picks. Mel just now that you're back in Bristol. What is the overriding feeling coming out of Nashville that draft? Unbelievable is the word I have six hundred thousand plus in attendance over the three days in the the the crowds for day. Three was had to be one hundred thousand plus in the streets of Nashville, just remarkable. And I think the bar has been set so high for Las Vegas. It's certainly exceeded everything else we thought Philadelphia was really good. This was good luck Vegas. That was that was as good as NFL Coachella. Yeah. Crazy felt like Times Square New Year's Eve, and it really was remarkable sight, the see, and it wasn't really exaggerated by any of the views. You saw on TV. What you saw was real. It was consistent from the state were. They were started to storm into the wait in line at eleven thirty in the morning on Thursday. And it was pouring rain with threat threats of lightning coming like eight or nine o'clock at night, and nobody moved nobody. Will it was? It was absolutely why it was overwhelming. Yeah. It was really overwhelming would have thought they were lined up to get tickets to a rock concert or a Super Bowl called Coachella. Yeah. Vaguely. This was NFL Coachella. Does that make milk, hyper Kanye west? I'm beyond saying now, you won't believe what Dell. Hey, Chris, you won't believe what mcshea did the meat a day. You will not believe this. Got it out. I got him good. First time I've ever honestly looked at Mellon men. Like, I kind of feel bad. I kind of feel bad for what I did. I walk ball fences. It's you should feel bad about it over the years. Now, you feel bad for the first time this time, I actually felt a little this really bad if he felt bad. So here we rest he had a really do something bad. He was just trying to he was making a very good point about how the raiders, you know, everyone's knocking and kicking out aiding them with the with the fourth overall pick in kicking them when they were down. I thought they kick Gruden when they were down, and and after that, and I made the point to and I agree with you. But they they drafted really, well, they rally they rally, but then he, you know, sometimes you pull the string on Cape, and he gets going, and he gets an understanding and he starts stare, you know, he's given the that the raven I stare into the camera, and he's I and they're going to win. They're going to win. We were talking about who's going to win the division. He's like they're gonna win. I was like when what he's I'm just telling you there everyone's kicking them while. Down. They're going to be better than you think they're going to win. And I was like when what? And he's like they're going to win the division. No. What bold prediction Sproul gave you know? Hey, don't worry about that muscle say real quick here. The cheese. Chargers chargers. Hey who knows? What's chargers a little hit or miss? And if you hit this one, then you owe me one okay out as long as the to happen at the chiefs at the writers are just a playoff team. Is that good enough to suffice? It'll be start Chris he won't even give me that. Now. Of course. I mean, if the raiders are a playoff team, they might have to I think they have a shot to win. I think they're going to be. I mean, they had the quarterback. Now, they had the running back and running back transition right away and have great rookie years. The line's going to be a lot better. They have all these weapons. They added twenty players in free agency. Good draft. I don't see any reason. Why a now you're doubling down hungry. Motivated. Well this. Angry football team. Can't win this division. You are so hungry right now, you will. I mean, you're out of your mind. I love it. All right. We'll basically since this podcast is all about gambling top mel's saying hit the over on the radio. Basically what he's saying? Okay. All right. Let's let's jump into this a little bit guys. Todd. I got to read your best value picks for every team were you as a few sieve as Mel was about how well the colts. Did what who is the best rock glass for you, hyper stolen. No, no. No. No. Hey, I had it mcshea stolen back. No, okay. I thought so here's the thing with with Indianapolis. Chris Ballard I thought after last year, obviously, Quinton Nelson. And in the first round getting a Leonard in the second round the way he handled the the draft last year was awesome. We do that. But he was smart enough this year to realize we're picking a twenty six and if we pick it twenty six that's great. We'll. Get a good player, but we can get kind of the same player, you know, somewhere in the second round. This draft was loaded in the second to fourth round range. So he moves back. He gets an extra second next year. And he winds up with a player in actually was rocky sin xanadu rocky in. But then Ben bangle was was the next pick really from the trade. So to me what he was able to do. I think the three second rounders and another third rounder. He just understood where the value wasn't this draft. And I think they made they made that team better. And that team was really close last year. And I think Andrew luck is you know, what you want bold prediction. They're gonna win the AFC south though. Both of you guys you want a boat or Chris Evans, you guys at jacked up on rice crispy, teach take five nothing, but we haven't had. Literally, not a bite. That's what I'm saying. You're you're barely alive right now. You haven't slept. Let me say this. Haven't slept. Let me say out and we have about twenty five minutes until until to go Christian. What might better be hot rush? You wanted to hold us prediction even bolder than Oakland when he the division. I I don't know. The Indianapolis Colts represent the Super Bowl and made that prediction as well. He's gonna wind up. But here's the thing. So so so basically Kuyper sand the colts are going to beat the raiders in the AFC championship game. All right since we both since everybody's all on the colts. How about this? What is the most? Because I got a nominee here. What's the most underrated draft class because there's so many teams they're so good at this. They're so good at extracting value. There's teams of trading down left and right teams that trade up find a pick. And they trade back down who who's the most underrated draft class. I got my nominee. I'm gonna go with the Baltimore Ravens. You're on your on relies doing that. Now, honestly, it was almost like paying homage to to Ozzie Newsome move back. Get an additional pick marquees route, you know how much. Brown. I think he's the most guy I've ever evaluated in terms of quick speed place beat the whole thing. Jalen Ferguson's, a good picking the third round miles. Boykin is worth the gamble. Ninety three overall out of Notre Dame production only one year quarterbacks sucked before two thousand eighteen the now he gets a quarterback in his production goes up. I'm not saying that's the whole deal, but with his size and speed and athleticism. It's worth a shot Justice hill explosive at running back. Ben powers, I think can develop into a starter. Eamonn Marshall not of huge fan of the pick Dalen MAC from Texas A and M in the fifth round. He will contribute he fits while. They're doing trace McSorley. We'll see how that plays out. I told you I would draft that guy late and just bring him in and see what happens. So I I think everyone's kind of ozzy's out Eric Decosta's in everyone's kind of looking and saying what what's Baltimore going to do. I was impressed with what they did from top to bottom Ozzy vibes are still hovering. Around there. What do you got? Now. Arizona underrated draft Zona had had a good draft. I'm about underrated. Because I read it pretty good. I don't know. I guess under eight means other people may not have I don't know what other people did. But it's not just about Kyle Murray. It's about excitement on both sides of the ball of created by Byron Murphy created by Zack Allen who's a kid who just wants to go out and produce the onta- Thompson, do you think about center lake Lamont yard in the sixth round Hakim Butler of he's more consistent catching the football in round four the slot guy in India's Abella, I think they they got a lot of good football players. Arizona Cardinals did Denver's and other team to. Yeah. They moved from ten to twenty they manage that Noah fan. I thought it was one of the top fifteen player and a matchup peace and owes the stat. Joe flacco during his era. Baltimore had eight tight ends drafted for them in. So we all know that he loves the tight end that's a security blanket. They moved back to twenty and get no offend and a good value. They get additional pick. They get another second round pick. They use the an additional pick to move back up to go. Get drew lock after they take Dalton reisner an offensive lineman at forty one. So twenty forty one forty two all kind of manage properly in the trade with the Pittsburgh Steelers. They went up to get Devon Bush, which I didn't have a problem with. But I think Denver got a lot of value. You've got a pick next year to write. And by the way, by the way, Todd if you if I told you that Daniel Jones in drew lock would be picked thirty six spots. I'm in away from each other. It's not there's just no way you'd even do that. Then also third round pick and three thousand twenty from Pittsburgh. So they so they Fant reisner and then move up use use some collateral to move up to get through lock who I believe we'll be the stardom in the future. I think it and here's the other part. That's very important understand. They actually considered lock at ten and twenty, but they organizationally came in with the concept of you know, what? We just brought in flacco we got a cheap deal. It's only going to be two or three years with him. Let's not bring in a first round quarterback. And and have the narrative be alright everytime. Flacco messes up it's time for drew lock. Right. If you bring him in as the third pick, and the funny part was they take it forty one reisner, and you know, they had to have a deal in place to move up to forty two. So it's almost just the optics of it that we took him as the third the third player and at forty two not at forty one. We didn't move up to to get that guy which they did. But they didn't do it without taking another player. We already got a tight and we got an offensive lineman for Joe Joe's, our guy or all in. But here's the future. Here's a good backup. Yeah. It's like you say, it's Denver and John Elway. Peyton Manning won a Super Bowl at the end of his career for John Elway. It's Brock Osweiler second round pick. Then get it done. Paxton Lynch first round pick lost case keenum instead of Josh Allen. Because you're already rent the rookies in that. It didn't work. So we're gonna pass Josh L. We'll take bring the veteran in proven in case keenum that didn't work that we're going to bring in a veteran, and we're also going to get the rookie gunslinger. So now, they're going both ways we're going for the veteran and the rookie. They've done it wrong going both reactions that are going to try to do it right at some point figuring one of these two it, we're okay. Maybe both will flacco Niffer. Now. Maybe locked for the future. We'll see they're over up until this point. Basically. Hey, you guys want to know the actual most underrated because I have at your my back pocket. So todd. Educated. This yet guys. Hey, Todd defers wide rece wide receiver. You know? I y. Yeah. A little bit. I libraries maybe draft goes at number twenty five to talk right through it smells to mel's. Baltimore Ravens second wide receiver in this draft. Those thirty two to kill Henry in Kiel Harry, so bottom line. I know you as a big fan of Hollywood would could have seen him gone a little bit higher. But the team who didn't pick in the first round really needed a wide receiver got one for that seventeen pick and a little bit more. So Odal Beckham was the seventeenth pick in this draft and a little bit more. And I get that he comes with a paycheck. But. To think that now you've got a situation with Landry owed L Beckham. And Joe coup. You know, whatever else. I mean, the thought that the Cleveland really would have arguably wanted a wide receiver. I mean is there anybody in this draft not as wide receiver draft class as good as them? It's apples apples apples oranges. That's and then by the way in Chicago, by the way, it's well Khalil Mack. For Trump pick second round pick any Miller. So I don't know how you can do better than that. It's usually utilizing the draft process. You great which we did Chris. Great on the process, you say how did you give the bears of b plus until seventy three overall Khalil Mack and on Anthony Miller factor into the draft. So you're right. I think you have to look at beyond just. That's an a damn tuning. I didn't give him a wise. I'm not as high on David Montgomery as you are. That's it. Okay. I like, David Montgomery and love them like you do. But if I told you you you're going to get Khalil Mack. Yeah. Anthony, Miller, David Montgomery and Riley Ridley with your first four picks. You want to go re rethink that. No. Yeah. But that's just the process is that what you do is. You gonna player makes you look at a player like Nick boatswain you say that's a fifteen sack player. We'll Khalil Mack already that guy and Odell Beckham already that superstar wide receiver. So so knowing that you get that in right away. Yeah. You gotta have the capper you got to be able to figure out. But there's superstars that are taken with some of these some of these picks, and it's fascinating. Mel you had a chance to sleep on it or maybe even sleep two hours. Is there a draft the twenty four hours later last night? You will not too bad. It's a b and now you're thinking that it's worse than I thought. It's a it's worse than I it's you know, these teams are good at this. There's not a lot of bad grades for out there. There's no more like old school Jag. Dallas Cowboys would be one. We have a b minus two because of a Maury Cooper being factored in and say, okay. Amari Cooper, good player, but Tristan hill Todd called him, boomer bust. He's talented, and he flashed that non Rodney merit exactly McGovern center guard. Tony Pollard versatile. But is it really is easy and then late round pick. So yeah, I think that's one though safety till the six no wide receiver you factor, Amari Cooper kuprin. But they didn't add to that receiving core. A B minus maybe that was a C draft. But I gave him a B. It would have been one. Maybe you would have amended just a bit. I don't give grades. But one one draft that I wasn't. Very high on was Carolina's. I we gave them a lower grade Brian burns. I don't know what you're like. Well, didn't give any bad grades. I gave him a c. Plus, I was the lowest great it's like why even give Graham C plus players. Right. Whatever problems doesn't Mattis. Brian teams are reading their draft. Are you don't like Brian burns? I like Brian Byrne. You like them are you going? You said you like them you're getting now you're gonna feisty getting chippy. I I make one set. Listen to what you said a free sentence. Okay. Brian burns if used properly I think can be a good player. I don't know the Carolina's gonna use them properly. I think they're going to use them just purely as an edge. Right. And I think Anthony Barr is a better example of how to use him. Greg little is soft will Greer? How do you not take Ryan Finley or Jarrett stidham thought he was a better quarterback bright? I that's why I don't like their draft outside of that. I'm Chris Miller. Good value for good. Yeah. There's no one on this on this list. Where I feel like wow. What a great value. I would you would have amended that to a d. Yeah. A D. I mean, no. You're not going to beat me in anything. I it works. On say the car. So it would have been a C because that would have been the worst, you know? You know, we we debate of that. I think that's fair. Keiper. How are you feeling about Green Bay one day later? I don't understand that the not drafting an offensive player, and I get you stay true to your board. And that's what they did. Jenkins will be a solid center and stern burger can catch the ball. I in Dexter Williams. I liked this a sixth round pick the running back out of. No. But but most of the picks were defense. They big on heavy defense over the years early. No offense, early wide receiver to place Randall Cobb gave him a c plus because let's face it savage. I like Jenkins I like, I think some of their late round picks have a chance. So in Rashawn, Gary, we know is a boomer bust, but I gave him a c plus for that reason. Maybe I should have given them a C. But the bottom line is they were a little bit head scratcher. I would have thought, and I would have bet this in Vegas. If you had odds one would one of their two first round picks be an offensive player out of put some significant dollars on that thinking one of those two for after getting Amos and Preston Smith is at areas. Smith in free agency, heavy defence, I would abet not with with Randall Cobb gone. Having a franchise quarterback. Aaron Rodgers at one of those two first round picks is going to be an offensive player, and it was not. So I've been looking for a loan from Todd mcshay couple first round picks guys where where in one case at team jumped up and got in front, but you feel like oh that hurt in that in that following draft room syncing. Natty really really needed a linebacker. All we'd heard was Devon Bush would not get past number eleven where the Bengals draft drafted. So what happens Pittsburgh, you know, the rivals? You guys had Mike Tomlin on the show yesterday. I mean, they're they're hyped for that guy. And then again, the Denver Broncos drafting twenty as Todd noted they get Noah fan. Green Bay sitting there at twenty one. They ended up having to. I don't know if I'd call it a reach Donald savage is a good football player. But this I guess we're all of their safety. Maybe they thought it was too rich for Hollywood. I don't know. But that looked like a case where you think oh, no a fan. They're going to get that offense of weapon. Jimmy grams. Not getting any younger doesn't happen. It's more points. My point is I'm going to segue here Todd. But I would think. An interesting case where it looks like it would set up for them to get that offense weapon. Send it doesn't happen. Yeah. You're you're missing Kuyper has has. Hold on one second. I'm gonna literally unplug. I'm going to stand up. I'm going to walk over to the other side of the studio, and I'm gonna move. Mike knob share push it in. All right. He is hit his glasses because Iraq Iraq sticking his hit his glasses like six six or seven times during this podcast. It sounds Dan concussion here. That's what we're we're talking about. I was I was going to segue there. No offense. No offense goes at twenty. And I feel like if you just pulled out the theme of this draft. It seemed like it was just there is like thirty five dudes who got drafted who are six five between two forty to fifty five run between like four six four eight. I mean, it is just it's crazy. How many good tight ends were drafted right up until Mr. irrelevant where I get that. He's, you know, inconsistent play where you see the highlights like that guy's big tall and can run. I mean Hopkinson was your number one rated tight end Todd. But it wasn't as kind of like the draft of tied ends up. You're like everybody got one. It was tight ends. But it was also some of these a lot of these guys and everyone wants to lump them into okay? He's a tight end, technically. A lot of these guys are the same player like the tight ends and wide receivers that the move tight ends. And the big wide receivers. What's the difference? What's the difference between JJ are Sega Whiteside who went to Philadelphia? And you know, he's going to be utilized in the slot at sometimes definitely utilized for his ability in the in the red zone is I think the best box out player and red red zone type player. What's the difference between him, and and you know, like j Sternberg it's what twenty pounds an inch? Just like there are so many big receivers miles boykin. Yes, he's he's a leaner. But you can go down the line. I mean, there were eight or nine wide receivers who are big wide receivers who went into Sears raft who you're basically using a tight end. So I think I think what we saw two was teams getting really nervous about. How are we going to match up? The safeties came screaming off the board. And the was the second or third round where it was just like db DVD load of them. Yeah. I think it was the second round. Whereas all these corners and safeties coming off the board because teams are like how are we going to match up moving forward. And the one thing too is with with you look at the little league with Todd says we've talked about Kris with tight ends. They're not really tight ends. I talked to a GM about this. And he said, you know, we think we need to wide receiver so desperate. We have tight end tight ends are like receivers that we we flex them out. So you can't really always evaluate the team and say, they don't have enough wideouts. Have tight end tight end fortified. So and if you want to call basically glorified wide receivers anyway, so that's what this league's become are these combo guys. We used to call hybrids got hybrids now as I call them receiving entities as the word, I use receiving entities. That's what some of these guys are. I was struck by though because I had it circle that Tommy swing in the two hundred and twenty eighth pig loves him to Buffalo Bills. And Todd Mel goes, he might have you might have some of the best hands in this entire drop to twenty eight which I just wrote down there's thirty these Josh Allen is a lane thrower. He's Randy Johnson. That's who I compare them to in baseball. Okay. So you gotta you gotta have a guy who is able to adjust and be able to have great hand eye coordination. And that's what Tommy Sweeney has. He may lumber a bit. But his hands are as good as anybody's intermediate. He's he's going to be there for you. He's going to block for you. And he's he's a throwback. He's he's one of the highest character football loving. Dudes in the skin nineteen seventies and eighties. He probably would have been a second or third round pick. How you like to be in buffalo where you got Josh Allen entire Jackson throwing eighty five mile an hour screen passes. Gotta have Saint hand. These the backup is not much the receive yourself to adjust to a guy never much of an arm. So now not catching these lollipops into getting a hundred mile an hour. Fastball thrown at me, man. You just got to put your hands in icy cold water after practice every hey, let's let's run through the quarterback situations here real quick just give it kind of in terms of how how well you love me on the street, and you got to watch the show because you got to watch the touchscreen dynamo. I'm call myself that the touchscreen dynamo see trying to get into your I've seen I've known some of the legends of touch. I hugged him. I hugged him for the first time in my life. Hogged the last I will. I don't know what got into tired. You're just falling. And it was like you're the vet. I'm the I'm the pop. But I've never been more proud of you in my life, this long twelve years thirteen years. I mean, I I used to box him out and make sure I don't get your dirty filthy hands off that touchscreen today. He walked over and he worked at like magician. No that's heading price. Come a lot. It's good. I've seen I've seen people talk about Todd like this guy should be on CNN on election night. You know, he's zooming in on some county in North Dakota. He's to pay. Hey, co credit when he's up at the Telestrator. What what do we call it the touch screen? What are your up at the touchscreen? Todd. I'm five yards off up five yards away from the touchscreen when he's doing I just let master working his magic. But today this touchscreen was different today. Hey, Chris, you loved it. It had to do was touched a quarterback move up. And he jumped in these jumped into spot of manner. He like leaked into the spot. Todd, hyper proof. It's unbelievable to our special by the time you hear this. But they're running it. They're running it between now and Jesus the Stanley brought jumping those quarterbacks jumping into that. Unbelievable trench. You got to watch how they did it. Now, they asked Evan my seventeen month old to come over from ESPN daycare across the street. And if he was able to do it. Oh, yeah. Then they figured Melville or so the point of this was the point of this was is let's run through these quarterbacks. Well, they ask questions ready. Questions ready long success who's gonna have the most long term success? And I said drew lock might in Denver because I just there's enough around him H O flacco. Okay. I don't think Joe flacco a good quarterback. You're right after that. I went with Tyler marine and then after that I went with Super Bowl winning. Yes. People who would you Wayne would you find where Dwayne Haskins three? Thank you and there'd be back on track. Cincinnati and then thinly. Finley was four stem. Haskins to Washington three then the four events system five to the patriot. Right. I just stay true to my board. And then you boom, boom, boom. So go ahead. Murray theater of the mind but Murray Haskins. Yep. Right. Who three lock Jones then into rear so Jones wasn't one. He wasn't the that. Was that was that was like Louis telling everybody how the he'll what do you call it? Pat, Hilo pay what they call for helicopters helipad Ellie, how helipad everybody in a helicopter, and I don't but Lewis was you to love that. We're getting today Schefter hatch. He says Lewis is telling them about we're going to hop random, my fellow copter and my heel, Pat. Yeah. Chris you'll love atom says helicopter. Could Vince shafter helicopter? Louis running. It was portraying me not not. But he convinced canoe. Kayak canoe or not aren't going to back schefters on the phone to Lee and Seth and he's like, hey guy for says a chopper, I want a new deal. His face. It was priceless. No. Wow. I don't even know where we are. But let's famous after the draft podcast or anything else. But here's the thing. Both of you, obviously didn't mention the number six pick in the draft. Do you think any differently than you did on draft night where on this podcast last week Kuyper who's been Keam? Daniel Jones is not as bad as you think saying I can't get my head around the idea that he goes at six now they've got him out there working in two teams would have got him before we could get him at seventeen. Mel do you feel any differently about that pick? I said all along that when we got closer you can't lose him. And I talked about trading up is there a trade grooten drilled into my head ever. You can't just trade up unless there's a partner and the Redskins at fifteen or divisional rival. So if they really believe they had to believe this at Daniel Jones as a franchise quarterback. Okay. That they can't live without because if you're seventeen and your wait you're saying he's here. Like drew lock. They could live. Without trulock lost her lock. So if your lock hits, that's not a genius move. It's just that other teams pass them when they got him. Just like when Russell Wilson fell to Seattle and third in predator for taking them thirty one of the themes didn't. But it wasn't like they took him in the first round. So again with with this situation here. I don't know. I think I just think Dave Gettleman felt like I cannot risk not having Daniel Jones partis- football team moving forward. And the only way I can guarantee that is taken at six seventeen would have been too risky. And if I don't care if you like him, you don't like, I guess what the more fans in hate them. More chance he has to be successful. Okay. Remember when Ricky Williams over over Donovan McNabb on records. I wonder. Ricky williams. Everybody's booing sometimes fans are wrong. Sometimes I remember my quick when it was Perry. Tuttle disappointed that Tuttle over forehead. We're going way back on that. So he's got gotta be fifty and above understand what I'm saying here. That's not. I don't know. I don't know what we're dealing with. But sometimes, but I always referred to the seventies. Hey, what can you do? But the answer your question. Chris. I look in back on it. I don't have a problem with it. Hey, todd. Here's a follow up question. Daniel Jones in two thousand nineteen. My thought. I became out of my ear. And I went to get hit my top top of your hand. I the top of my hand on this thing. I got a broken podcast is perfectly cast suffered a lot of injury. Let me tell you. Does Daniel Jones start a football game for the New York. Football giants in two thousand nineteen I could probably post this in at one and a half in Vegas. I dunno where where would you Joe? I mean, probably just because of injury, but not as allies made out of rubber. That's true. I mean, listen, I don't know the real answer that you're looking for is. I don't think he's a good starting quarterback. I. Chance to be a solid starting quarterback. I can average. I'm not taking solid just got to put that on. I having no tape saying solid. Okay. You said career back up to solid starting quarterback. Right. The rain which is what you take in the second third round. I don't hate the guy. He was the second Rafiq young, man. He's in. He's tough. You can run fast. It's awesome. I just think he's slow processing slow moving in the pocket slow delivering, and you're gonna hassle you know, what the around one type, I just hate. And I told you I said, I don't know what kind of quarterback we not none of us know, we kind of quarterback. These guys are going to be. I said he was one of the first round and the giants revival. That's all I said. And I convinced you you gotta give me credit for this. We give him credit for nothing except banging on my Glenn just said how you're good at the touchscreen. I'd say about players often things like that. I'm talking about things that matter with player evaluations. I told him he was going to get. He was good at the spite me, I spur vindictive and spiteful. Yes. And you are you admit, admittedly, our quest. No question that you were going to listen this, Chris, listen, this our listeners. I hope they understand what I deal with. He was going to keep the annual Jones out of his first round Bach is final one just because which by the way, I got nine right? He got seven because I got eight okay. Then I got I got eight and I got the same in the first round. But when you're victory and do a lap. All right. Not a lot is. I put him in there. Todd don't if you listen to bait would have been you'd have been in trouble because you'd had Jones in the second round. Four, and we would have been even saved you say different will push. Okay. So there you go. He was gonna put him in a second. When he would not to put him in the first round. Right. And you know, you weren't you're you know, you weren't your I said put him in the dig- on first round tie, please. And I was so close you have no idea. Finally, I was like oh, man. All right. I'll do it. We're gonna take a quick break. And then we are going to get to a stack of tweets mailbag door. Oh, there's a gardener. Menchu question here. I'm stoked. Oh, yeah. After the break. Your home is important. That's why gyco helps make it easy to save on homeowner's insurance because home is more than just a place home is where you have a cute little reading nut for those rainy days when you want to curl up with a good book, but you don't even read. So you just sit in there during thunderstorms and scroll through means on your phone and laugh in the darkness. The Geico insurance agency could help protect the dark mean filled corner, you call home, call Geico and see how easy it is to switch and save on homeowner's insurance. Guys, we got a pile of mail here. Let's just let's just get this one right out of his back this sucker right out done Gardner. Mid shoe, one seventy it wasn't mentioned this guy asked if he's the steal of the draft. I don't think I'm gonna go that far your boy, Chris once you wax poetic. So you I career backup seems like a good spot for anything else. I'm missing no perfect. Love moustache. All right. This is interesting Todd, you can answer this one just got started here because we're seeing this more and more you guys see your phones light up the second the draft ends. Now, we see I mean almost instantly ton of these undrafted free agent deals. It seems like the process is speeding up talk to somebody agents. They're working on these deal. Six seventh-round early on is it better to be drafted round five on or be an undrafted free agent. Todd. Can you explain this a little bit undrafted free agent because you can choose? I mean, maybe five I would want to be drafted but six seven. Definitely seven if I'm a quarterback specifically, I would I would wanna be if I get to six I'd rather be able to to make my own decision because you're going to have four or five maybe seven teams calling your agent. And then you get to make the decision and Philip linzie. Good example last year. Right. Winds up in Denver saw the situation then becomes an absolute stud and maybe somewhere else he doesn't. And maybe doesn't get the opportunity if he's drafted by one of the other thirty one teams in the league in the seventh round pick to forty five. How about this? An annual favourite Travis Atra Purdue nineteen goes most off the radar pick off a little context. Who's who's like your Mike Mitchell in round two where you're like? Whoa. Fairly wrote this guy up who is who is the one that was was pretty author radar at. I don't think you see these as much anymore. Bellichik used to do this for fun take safety tapes Wilson it, and I don't know. I didn't see quitting Williams brother Quincy Williams in the. Sixth round fifty. Rated as a fifth round. Also didn't have anything on them until like three four weeks. Nominal work at good. Very good year. I have to see Murray state and it was like he's flying around a field getting after the quarterback making big plays. And then the test the way he did. And to have that versatility. And have the ability to help out on special teams, the be the ninety eighth pick third round draft choice. When like I said, I thought he was a five most thought he was probably late round or undrafted free agent. Morton had said he had talked the teams Chris Mortensen did that he's getting drafted. But the third round was a surprise EJ speed, right? Yeah. One six four one sixty four. But you know, what I just I didn't do is tape. I mean, I had him on our list, and it was fine. But I did not do a state not gonna go more time at tarleton state. There was one more player to where our producers like, hey, you want this guy? And I was like absolutely not was a drew Forbes from south we say, yes. And the point. Or after around. I guess can I take him? Yeah. All right. Let's look into this mailbag a little bit more guys who is a day. Three pick Mellon. These are hard on the spot. But rusty get asked is there a day three pick. You see who could be an immediate impact next season. And let's get rid of special teams players out of Utah as possible enter the Tampa Bay did it again, I think, you know, look at this. And I just think David Edwards in the fifth round of the Rams if he can be healthy was not healthy last year and people knocked them for that. He played hurt. He wasn't one hundred percent, right. I think he's the kind of guy. He's the velvet at offense aligned for position change tight end. And all that quarterback in high school. I think he needed another year. But I think he certainly could be I- Trevan west co to the jets is a guy impressment at West Virginia catching the ball. He'll block I think he'll be a nice fourth round pick. They treat this blockers. Sam darnold leg, I think. That's a nice addition for the jets, I think mcshea on the broadcast when. In west go went said that there was a stack of teams later that will probably pound they would've taken up. I guess. That the Thompson in the fifth round two narrows safety out of Obama tracheotomy billions to Cincinnati in the running back in Texas A and M in the six round up pretty high grade on I two late third early four. How could you have a third round grade guy goes on a six how can you do that? Can you be that inaccurate? I dunno mill. He's. Let's he's. Sumptious kidding? That's what they say about me with Gerald Willis. What about a MAC Wilson a guy like that pretty good pedigree? His a lot of medical and some other stuff and they still drafted. With some some other stuff to real quiet and comes and they need them for Cleveland. They will need them. And I think that was a good fifth round pick for them. The one of the favourite players. We've loved the all night and see only Takasaki talky talky, man. I love it. When time does that. He's like he's pretty good player. But there's an injured Scott some stuff. It's got got a file on. All right, guys. Here's a here's a fair question. Charles while home asks in a draft that was so deep it wide receiver talent any reason why you think the jets didn't get another weapon for darnold now. I think you brought that up during your grades. They did the, you know. You know when you talk about getting a weapon, I think that's where for for Sam darnold west co was a weapon brought in. But he was brought in the fourth round. He's not a wide receiver. He's a tight end h back and do anything no wide receiver. But they did help the offensive line with Huma Dogo right tackle guard. And certainly like I said before west goes going to be a factor. So Dogo is one of the most talented players in this draft. And he's one of the laziest players in the strapped. He'll get motivated after you. Okay. Yeah. When's he motivated every third play? He was motivated senior bowl type polite accountability issues. The interviews were nightmare. He he can rush off the edge. But he's not special. I know they didn't have a second. I love Cornyn Williams with the first pick. But I felt like the jets if I'm a jets fan today. I'm not fired up about this draft outside of Clinton. Well, they. It wasn't a given that they would take win and Williams Cornyn had other on west go you'll give them credit for that yet. No. I do. I give our best player in the draft and get it three. I agree moving. But I'm saying they didn't move out of done better than she kinda third. They could have done better than China third. Chicago was projected as a first not that long ago. We'll see what happens. You know? You gotta say they'll Todd on the jets perhaps. Absolutely, right. But they have Clinton Williams. The other thing is Sam darnold. Eight turn at twenty two for three more months younger than some of the quarterback this draft had a great at a great December. So that's just one of those things. I love him. So yeah. And there's so many so many you'd like to see a little bit better. I think, but we'll see I hear there's a pile of of a bunch of there's some here than others. But the consistent question on a New England is Jared stood him. You know, as you just an upgrade at backup. Or is this guy future starter? No, what do you think could be a future starter? I a office has to work through from things. He the rush everything this year. He didn't seem comfortable made throws that were inaccuracy make bad decisions. It just didn't seem like it was his year. And you say the system the drop passes, whatever it was whether he'd never got an a rhythm. And I think they can fix that. We know he has the army can spin it like no other we second highest rated dole threat quarterback coming out of high school to Tyler Murray at the high school ranks in Texas not that long ago, high great everybody loved him, and he looked at Baylor. He looked like he was going to be a future star goes to Auburn. And yeah, he's kind of a little hit or miss Lewin consistent. But now, I think they that could be potentially the Jimmy Garoppolo heir-apparent the Tom Brady. Yeah. I don't disagree. I think he's got the talent. And I think it's such a good place to go. He's going to learn how to play the position after Baylor. Auburn some offenses that don't translate to the NFL. He's going to get his handed to them by Tom Brady or quests like he's going to every day is going to be like your worst day of school. But he's, but he that's how he's gonna learn. And he's either going to make the greater is not. And if he does then they got their guy if not then they'll draft another guy in the second to fourth round again next year and go from there. Guys. Let's wrap it up here. Pretty quick Todd. Might prediction are you going to have the brass to put Jalen hurts as your one one in your mock draft on Wednesday for two thousand twenty because he got to stick with the trendline noches? Two two to one. So we'll start at two now is your big board for next week for two thousand twenty ready. It's getting there. Yeah. I got a host the player seventy five players that I'm considering for the top twenty five big board. Can we honor? That's what he's doing Todd on threes. Doodling Mark for its next one. I. So we're gonna have grant Delpit from LSU of over eight really of already gone. He's on it. Once at mach coming out. Let's give a little Thurs Thursday, ESPN dot com. Go get it Thursday with time. It'll be early as day night. And I will be on sportscenter. Get up Thursday, mortars more. It'll be up sprout you tell me your run dot com. It'll be up early. It'd be upper here. I'll give everybody in our listening audience little traditional Todd mcshay. Here's here's here's what he does every year after the draft. He'll drive home the dinner with the family, but his big day is Wednesday where he goes out on a golf course. And the as a thirty six or eighteen eighteen and then get those nineteen nineteen out there with all his high school friends and playing golf, and he's while he's out there on the golf course. I'm text them with some potential Murph first rounders for the mock draft. And then then he figures it out on Wednesday night late. And then on first thing Thursday morning, all of us can really just go through that mock first round and get educated on who's available next year. And so basically, I actually don't tell Mel about it because one one less day that I have to deal with him. Then I go golf Wednesday. I wake up not feeling awesome Thursday and go do TV then Friday and get you know. Spend time with my family and then Saturday, I'll call into the Dorian Mel show on ESPN. Call nine to noon, I will call and at some point when they're not expecting it. Screw the whole schedule oversleep but its till noon, I'm not twenty four years old. Got to let derby day. The rosen. I will give you my pet. Calling with this Darby pick to mine will be better. I already told bear the makes his appearance on the Dr in Malchow. Guess you also call it it. We got we had a great Gyeonggi. Hey, nine to noon, Saturday guys star studded show mcshea Todd Todd leased away. Right. We got Stephen a Smith calling in as calling in. What's he calling him for? He loves shell out. Now, I told him I said, you gotta make your yearly your parents, Jim Nagy. Formerly of scouts Inc. Work with Todd mcshay, you back into that just at my hand again, you're literally going to yourself, and then we're all who was the fourth. 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"The college football podcast with Herbie and pollick. Now here's your host Kevin the Gandhi and welcome back to the college football podcast. It's been a while and a lot of things have changed and I'm glad that at least we could still talk about college football as we get ready for the NFL draft in a matter of a couple of weeks and we WANNA make sure everybody. That's listening that you're safe and healthy. And you're following the guidelines of staying indoors. Because we've got to flatten this curve in the spring and the early parts of the summer if we want to have football in the fall that that is the one thing that stands out to me. Let's let's flat in the curve now a little bit of the sacrifice and then we reap the benefits of talking about college football following the sport that we all love on the podcast. Today is the Great Todd mcshay. Who's been with. Espn for over a decade breaking things down with the NFL draft and he also is on the road during the College. Football season Sidelines with the Levy Greasy broadcast booth. And Molly McGrath. Where those guys are a fantastic games and having so much fun mcsherry still find signed carve out is mock drafts and give us some doubt about his thoughts about that draft that starts in a couple of weeks and he joins us here in the college football podcast and then later on we talk a little bit about his relationship with Mel Kiper and the one thing that stood out when frank. Kelly Endo impersonated hyper next to mcshea. Enjoy OUR WE'RE less than two weeks away from the NFL draft in the normal and it's great to have Todd mcshay join us here Part of ESPN's coverage as well as ABC's coverage and we'll see how this plays out as we try to do this. The virtual way. Todd first off. We appreciate you joining us. Here on the PODCAST. What's it been like for you when it comes to gathering information compared to previous years as you as you kind of find your way through the pandemic? It's been interesting it really has. It's been so different than any other year obviously ever everyone's understanding of what's going on in every GM. I've talked to in the last two weeks you know. They're just they're trying to figure out what they're gonNA do their their. It people are working around the clock. They're worried about draft weekend in making trades. And how they're GONNA go through every little detail to the point where you know. They've they've got people in their houses setting stuff up but they don't want people in their houses you for the same reasons in and they're talking all GM's are talking to each other via text saying you know what if if we get down to the clock and we're about to make a trade or WanNa do something. Let's make sure that we can text each other. Just in case you know D- by Wifi goes out or my kids come running in the room. It's just it's it's really really strange in different in it's been it's been interesting talking to everyone in how everyone's kind of dealing with the same stuff. Todd how are they conducting the interview process like especially when when you WanNa meet a quarterback yet you need to understand things that you have these you know I just think of to a ton of low of the top of my head of course with with the tape center thirty two teams of his own workout. You don't get the chance to have your doctors look at him and you don't get the chance to to see his personality in a room. Hauer Hauer. Gm's IT executives and coaches handling that situation with a each individual prospect where they have extended questions outside the tape so every year. Typically you get thirty players and you get to bring into your facility. You can't you can't work them out when you bring them to. Your place can only spend the day with you. Can you know. Put Him on the board. You can watch take with them. Do all those sorts of things. You can't do. I mean physically this year. They can't do any of that so they are missing out on on having that time with with individuals. But they're still they're like everyone else there on zoom in skyping in facetime in just trying to spend as much time as they can with with these players and medically they're still sending out doctors. I mean you know people tell you whatever they want to tell you but I can tell you talking to general managers. They're sending out doctor specifically to the players. They really think they have a chance of drafting. And that's kind of how they're handling it. Do you anticipate. Let's just say night number one. We have seen stuff in the past. Where there's a surprise or a shocker released. An I imagined social media will be running ramp. Do anticipate something like that happening. And the percentage is being higher considering everybody's virtual this time around Hong took a question. If I knew that I wouldn't be. You really is a good question because I think you have to understand. Teams have been sending scouts out for fifteen months. Basically evaluating all of these players. You know so they they have so much information so I I think. I don't think it's going to be a big difference but I do think in this last month or so that there's less information coming in and I think that's what teams are most worried about these things. Are we missing out on something information wise to what what happens when I'm on the clock traffic band a band with it? Those are the words. I hear constantly tackles guys because they're so worried about it but they're also it's it's interesting to talk to him because the GM's I've talked to are like all right. Now how do I get an etch? How do I use this to my advantage right? That's that's been kind of be interesting to to hear when you're talking to these guys like they're so you know they understand what's going on. They have wives and kids like all of us in the day to day is is shocking but at the end of the day. They're still trying to get an edge. They're still trying to find the best players and they're still trying to figure out how they can do something better than you know. The other thirty one genes in the league to to try to see if they can maybe get tiny little bit of an edge. You also look at you know you wanna hit on the first round the second round the third round. But I also think about the back end when you're filling your roster up right and this this is a different world when it comes to right after the draft you see a bunch of moves and transactions because you know these guys are undrafted free agents that are sitting around it feels like it's going to be more chaos after the draft as well. Do you anticipate that when when guys are trying to fill the back into their roster with guys eight can we? Can we get a special teams player? This guy made it out of the seventh round. Let's go get them right now. What what do you anticipate on that back end? Well so what the few guys I've talked to about. What their exact situations one of them has. They rented out rented out a whole hotel and so that they can bring nine people in right. You got to keep it under ten. So they've got nine people in but then they're trying to set up their whole draft board and then be able to talk to all their scouts and go back and forth and they're one one. Gm that I talk to saying it's frustrating because I pause and then there's one and a half seconds away that we have on TV thousand. Yeah that's called a delay but I I don't know if they're listening to me or what's going on on the delay so they're going back and forth going through all that kind of different stuff but what I've learned from talking to them is that they're scouts are. I mean they're lining it up just like they always do but each individual scout is going to be hustling at the end of the draft and right when the draft ends to be able to to call or to tax a player and try to put a a deal in place for five thousand seven thousand dollars. Whatever it is to try to get those players in but I it will be a little bit of chaos but it won't be that much different from From year to year in terms of of how it's handled that let's let's move on to the players because I I've been chomping at the bit When you look at this draft. It's it's obviously highlighted by the quarterbacks like every single draft with the borough and the intrigue at to a ton of low and which team is going to make a move or does Miami. Just sit there at five. What's the latest you're hearing right now about tunnels Loa Herbert as well as Jordan love? Miami loves loves Joe Borough and they would love to go up and get them. They're trying everything they can possibly try to go to figure out a way to do it. But I don't think Cincinnati's GonNa allow them to again. I think Joe is going to be the first overall pick and I think since he's GonNa take then. Miami's got a decision event you know. Do they use some of those picks they have? They've got They've got five in the first two rounds. Six in the top seventy overall. Are THEY GONNA try to package a couple of picks and move up to. Let's say Detroit at number three and make a move with them in order to make sure that they go get to a tongue Now I keep hearing about Justin Herbert in Miami and I don't know if that's I know they love Joe Borough. I think they like to a lot. But I've I've heard some whispers but not from anyone within the Miami Organization said about Justin her but I heard I've heard some of those remorse and then I think Jordan loves a better player. I think he's going to be a better player if develop rapport. So that's that's the interesting part. You get the chargers sitting right behind him. You know all the movement that we've seen with the with the quarterbacks but I I think I don't think we'll see more than three in the top ten go and Jordan love. Maybe the fourth in. Oh let's make sure everybody understands the backstory to that is you and I as well as Mel were on the set sportscenter during the week of the combine. And you guys were going back and forth about Jordan Lov justed her cell the audience listening this is real like this there's no like hey take a stance you take a statin. We'll just which is talk it out and debate. Now you guys are passionate about what you believe in the research that you guys do and you are all about George. Love being the third quarterback taken this schrafft's or should be made by the way. Yes he saw. We were going to have a five thousand dollar. Bet Yup to go to the V. Foundation obviously couldn't be a better. You know a better situation. Everyone's GonNa win but we were supposed to have a five thousand dollar bet on our final mock draft and we were sitting on that set that day and I said something about Jordan love and I was like listen. He's A. He's a better quarterback. I like them more than just in her. And he's like so. Let's make the bet right now. There are there was. It was finalized right there. There is there is broad jump in and just say let's follow. Is this right now? We can't leave this hag say job was the most sure that we saw a head. Shake that you guys are committed to what you guys were saying on both sides for the audience so I I thought I thought you guys are really good with that because honestly you. You still believe it now. Team USA may defer and teams may say we think differently. But there's one conversation that we had earlier this week on sportscenter with where. Mel brought up the the raiders at twelve. You you like that concept that you could see that concept that if we do not have four quarterbacks go in the top you can see somewhere. Where the raiders sitting at twelve? Find a way to make a move or find a way to make the pick. They're potentially Jordan love. Yeah I can see I really couldn't I? You know. We both know Gruden and he. He's just he's always looking for the next quarterback in and looking to see someone different now. He's he loves veterans though he loves loves guys that have some experience and know the game. So that'll be. That will be the interesting part but but I I could see it. I could definitely see it and I listen. There're guys in the league that I talked to that really like Herbert more than than Jordan law than there are some guys in the league. Thanks Jordan off is going to be so much better than Herbert. And it's it's interesting to just hear the differences when you talk to one guy versus the next guy right but yeah gruden. You never known he. He loves quarterbacks. It's like a quantity thing. He wants all of them. Quarterbacks tape in Tampa at also look where he found his comfort zone without his comfort zone with veterans like rich Gannon. And he's aware Brad Johnson. He brought it a bunch of guys and then he was super hard on Chris Sims. Who was a young quarterback like you mentioned? He loves veterans. So you see where he brings in Marcus Mariota there and potentially if you have a Jordan love sit and watch and wait and you had the veteran you can lean on and of course. Let's not forget about the scenario with car but he. He falls in and out of out of love with his quarterbacks every single week on every single pass Yes yes he does a great way to describe it. If I didn't get hurt in November would he be the number one pick in your mind? I think he would I if he it's interesting because we go back and you have to study it in the last ten years. There have been seven. Quarterbacks who who have been first round draft picks who have been injured in college in all of all seven of them have been injured in the NFL. And they've got to be available right. I mean that's the most important thing. So even though the hip injury was like was the the final piece of the puzzle. If you will medically. But he's been injured almost every single year of his career and while you get to know him and he's the best through everyone loves him. Everyone loves playing with him and playing for him. He's so talented. That doesn't take super scout to figure that out but the the medical part the difference and even I'm not I think it would be a toss up but I think it would be a bigger debate but I do think that that's kind of the tiebreaker. But if again if you were just telling me guaranteed ten years crystal ball. That they're both going to be healthy. I would take over Joe Borough but it would be so close and I. I'm shocked even thinking that going back to last summer. Studying the tape between the two I get. It wasn't even a debate. Boroughs like a fourth or fifth round. Pick and then all of a sudden he he just exploded. How does a kid explode like I mean? We sold our Marie as well right. I think that that drop but it also helps that you have a coach in Arizona that that understands the system in Kingsbury where he can make economic recovery house. Joe Borough make that jump where you know. I think Melanie mentioned in August. He was potentially a seventh rounder and maybe a fringe guy to you saying fourth or fifth round two now the number one pick in the draft and he rewrote all the record books. He wins the national champions the heisman he does it in the SEC against outstanding. How do you how do you Explained that type of jump in a matter of fifteen games. He needed him needed game experience. That's it no one knew nobody knew. Even talk like Urban Meyer. He he always loved him but he was four from the depth chart at one point and so he needs he just needed to go get experience then he needed to have job. Radi come in and let him rep this past year given just give them the opportunity to open things up in play and I think that was the difference when you go and study the twenty eighteen tape. It was about running the ball. I don't WanNa say archaic but it was old school football and and they just didn't allow him to do what he does. Best and this year when like shotgun spread it out even Clyde allaire moving him in that slot and now you have four. Receivers are sometimes five. Receiver sets it. Looks like just letting him make decisions and letting him go and throw the ball around the yard? That's when he finally came into his own but he needed he needed game experience. Everyone does it. Hit took what was it. Thirteen games I think in two thousand eighteen where he developed and then he came back this year and you could almost see it. In the very first week of the season he looked to different. His confidence was different. He was carrying himself differently than he did. A year of the year prior and and then he had in Brady just brought out the best in just allowed him to go play and and and be who he is. And I think you know if it's Cincinnati or whoever it is you've got to learn from that like you you can't put him in a situation where where the game slows down. He plays best when it's fed up and you can just go out and throw the ball in play fast. That's fascinating Ed. You mentioned you when you look back at his biggest plays. It's always fast right I. It's it's it's the scramble against Georgia. It's what he's doing against Auburn. It's what he's dealing with the pass rush against a Texas and he's still finding a way to get the ball in the right. What right windows and getting the ball early. That's I mean the two things that really jumped out about him. Well three one inside the pocket. He's he's like brady is easily Aaron Rodgers and he just has a feel always working well inside the pocket. The second thing is he will put the ball up early and allow his receivers to go get it and he he will feed on you. If you're the defensive back has his back to you he he. He knows that my guys go get it and so we'll take a chance and that creates his own windows that way. And the third thing is I've I've watched so much capon Joe Borough and hit knocked down by like three hundred and ten pound dudes in the SEC and popping up and not just like kind of carrying himself up and been working hopping up and ready to go in the next play Hanging the pocket and take a hit again. And if you really studied quarterbacks after they take that big hit usually either the coordinator's call run play or they're going to get the ball out quickly because they don't want to be part of it he doesn't care he doesn't doesn't flinch. He's so tough I know. What is he two hundred and twenty pounds? But he is as tough as a quarterback. You'll ever see it doesn't you know it's it's not surprising that he grew up in a family of football it carries weight inside the huddle each and every time you do that they play for you and they. WanNa do the extra things for you. Let's move on from the quarterbacks of the wide receivers how would you group this? The set of wide receivers especially when we could. We could see a dozen go. In the first two rounds. Maybe two dozen in the first three rounds. How would you compare this class to two ones? We've seen in the past including two thousand four one lead by Larry Fitzgerald. Yeah that that group was was great. Twenty fifteen. We had six in the first round. And that's in the last decade. The only time that we've had six. I think this year I I would be shocked if we if we got through. The first night of the draft in there wasn't fives Jerry. Judy from Bama CD LLAMAS GONNA be right after him. In my opinion out of Oklahoma that Henry The other Alabama wide receivers GONNA go brandon. Uk is is the most underrated receiver in this year's class coming out of Arizona State. Show good after the catch Justin Jefferson is going to be in my opinion the fifth fourth or fifth receiver but will be one of the five that. Come off the board. So those first three judy lamb and rugs are gonna be somewhere in the top fifteen seventeen and every team in the league if you talk to them has those three not necessarily in that order but those are the top three guys they all at first downgrades and then Jefferson and you will will be the next two and then it will be interesting. T- Higgins has a chance coming out of Clemson six four two hundred and twenty pound big physical wide receiver. I don't think he's GonNa wind up being a first rounder but he he would be the most likely to be that six guy. But if you're talking about the first three rounds I think upwards of eighteen to twenty and yeah you're right you gotta go back to two thousand four to compare it in terms of the depth. It might be six in the first round but it's going to be one of the best groups we've seen in terms of the first three rounds in a couple of decades now you can get a steal potentially in the second round Pittman and Chenault. It just depends on the when you're looking right and fishing system. I love Michael Pettman. He's going to be a steel in the second round every year. We see we see like three or four players in the second round the turn out to be better than most players in the first round and I actually was on. Espn DOT com the other day. And they they were going through every pick in the second round seventeen guys that were starters or they were. They were calling yet which is interesting out of thirty two. Pick seventeen guys that were key players starters in in the rookie year. Michael men coming out of. Usc is going to be that next guy. I'm sure of it. Could you make a case to that when you talk about that Second Round? And it's a segue here that you're gonNA find also a ton of running back quality not quantity but a ton of quality here and it's the Jonathan Taylor is of the world who we could see the Andrea Swift. I'm not sure if you have them going in the first round but guys like that that find their way in the late part of that. I read early part of the second round that have a major impact younger. Swept the only running back coming out of Georgia in the in this year's class or if you talk to me that's the only guy who has a true first round great after that though the depth ear. Soga Jonathan Taylor. He's only running back in college. Football history to go three straight years with nineteen hundred plus rushing yards now. He fumbles ball little bit too much. He's got to get better in pass protection but he is is instinctive Back you'll see. He's not like the throw out that Wisconsin thing that everyone is thinking with the running back. He has explosive speed. And he really. He's going to be a game changer. In the League and he's going to be stark out of a out of Ohio. State is the best pass protection running back in this class and his really instinctive and can capsule is probably going to be the second back after swift and then I I mentioned Clyde Edwards Allaire who came out. I won't say came out of nowhere. But he exploded onto the scene this past year and just the way he runs. How low to the ground. He is how tough he is and then the ability to put him in the slot and then put him out wide and know that he can actually go run around and catch the ball. Yeah I mean there's there's a lot of depth I think all four of those guys are GonNa wind up going somewhere in the top fifty overall picks and you mentioned that you know the speed that Taylor has he he. He's a he's a sprinter. That's like world-class fee. Jake Dobbins as the durability. If this was twenty years ago you could see three of those running backs. Go in the top fifteen right. It's just it's just the way the game has evolved. It's just the differ weights that it doesn't mean that these guys aren't potential first round talent is just how running backs for us now. Is that the story line here with running a few years. It's card There's it's also there's going to be four or five offensive tackles that go in the first round. And then once that runs out. Teams a panicked. Because there's not another one defensive linemen are GonNa go quickly and then after after the first round. You're really struggling. So I think teams with wide receivers and running backs are confident that we can go get one in the second or third round versus some of the other positions so but going back to Taylor your you just mentioned it in the CEO. State tape was fun to watch because there's not many guys that run away from those defensive backs from Ohio state and he did run running away the Kinda speed. You can't coach it man. You can't coach. He's got it and he's a good smart kid and let's go to tackles. The tackles are freak shows. I mean McCain backed in when you watch him at six seven three sixty five run a five five ten forty. You're just like your Georgia's like are you kidding? Me and then the top it off Tristan worse than what he did. At the combine running a four eight five and then the vertical. Like this is vertical. It's ridiculous like where we tackle alert for these guys and wills is the best of all of them on tape but he you know he didn't run a four eight five. What's interesting to watch but again like they're going to run out quickly. So that's what teams are really looking at like Cheddar. Wells is going to go somewhere in the top. Ten COMING OUT OBAMA TRISTAN. Were as you mentioned with that with the speed and explosiveness reactions. Mci Becton but then after the I would say. Five offensive tackles teams are really really concerned about where you're going to get the next guy when we bring up by united love those kind of numbers You know a forty time with a tackle but how does that translate for Scouts on the field when it comes to speed in the vertical? Does that just show that? He's a freak of an athlete and he can handle a lot of things. How do you translate that on the field if you if you study the history of it? It's it's weird because like offensive. I'm never gonNA run forty yards right But the forty yard DASH CORRELATES TO NFL SUCCESS. More than any other workout with vertical. Jump broad jump all those other thing short shuttle all those things now for interior offensive line. The short shuttle actually the thing that correlates most but for tackles it's arm length in forty yard dash. That if you if you just look over the history the guys who have the longest arms and run the fastest typically. Go on to have the best. Nfl careers again. It doesn't mean that you're GonNa have success but it's it's one of those things that that if you study it over a long long period of time you can see the typically. Those guys are GonNa wind up in the best players now. The Big Story. Line of course will be the quarterbacks in where to AGO's potentially After we see borough off the board against the bengals with the bengals and then Herbert. What happens with love? And and then of course the wide receivers will be a big storyline on on day one but when I look at the defense here especially in the top ten either feeling five. Ten years from that. We're going to talk about this defensive class in the top ten and I'm bringing up of course chase young. You have him as the only one in your top number one tier but behind him his teammate. A KHUDA who was an outstanding quarterback is as you got Derek. How do you look at these guys in the top? Ten and the overall defense the first round. Especially in the back in with quarterbacks in the safeties yeah if it wasn't I mean if it wasn't for quarterbacks that's all we would be talking about his chase young. He's he's not the bosses and I've talked about it a bunch before and I I love both of the voces coming out of school and I didn't care what they ran you know. Joey ran a four eight. Something Nick ran a four seven eight. I think it was the leverage and the Han Usage. And all of that they were. Nfl Ready Chase Young NFL ready. He's not as technically sound as the voces but he's more athletic he. He's more explosive. Like if you just watch like the speed that he has the band the athleticism and then sixteen and a half sacks he had six of them were stripped sacks he knows how to get that ball loose and you think about how important that is. A strip sack is huge and he. That's what he excels at. So yeah chase young to me. The number one overall player in this Class Okuda Jeff cornerback from Ohio state is one of the best corners we've seen in the last four or five years coming out like he's that good Derrick Brown is so overlooked. The Auburn defensive tackle. You put them at nose tackle and he will work your center it. May He will bowl rush that center and drive them right back in your quarterback's face and he does it over and over again. I I think a team's GONNA wind up probably like seven or eight wind up getting Derrick Brown. And we'll look back and say how did he? How did he last that long? And then Isaiah Simmons. He's not he's not as polished terms of taking on blocks and instincts with the run game but find me another six foot. Three two hundred forty pound guy. They can play in the box playing the slot. Cover your tight end. Cover some wide receivers and then go free safety. That play against Ohio state will be ingrained in my mind forever when he was fighting. Single high safety read the quarterback's eyes and when about thirty thirty five yards and went up and took the ball away like he was the wide receiver. He's they're not many dudes that can go do that. So when you're talking about Chase Young Okuda Jerod Brown and Simmons all I think arguably five of the six or seven best players in this entire draft. But someone's going to steal because we know that burrows GONNA go. We know the tour is GonNa go Jerry. Judy will probably sneak in. There is a teams looking for him. So someone's GonNa get a real steel with one of these defensive player Keno my favorite line from Isaiah. Simmons is. They asked him what position. He plays defense because he he's the evolution you know. This is where we go now. We're looking for that hybrid linebacker. That can literally do anything. And everything had vegetables did a great job within a Clemson and finding a way to ruin to make sure he was playing a huge role while they lost a lot of that Sunday talent from a year ago to now replace it in last year. What they did. Sim Sim is fantastic kid. I love the talent On the defensive side. Is there one guy or multiple guys that we're not talking about that? You know you day to day three. That would stand out. Ross blacklock from TCU defensive tackle. I think is one of the more underrated players in this entire draft. He's just a up the field frustrating type. Iv defensive tackle which is always kind of in your in your backyard. He's just always frustrating. I think he's I mean. No one really knows that name right. Yeah I think I think that he maybe he could go late. I maybe early second but I think I think blackhawks he's got. He's got a chance to be one of the better players in this class. I mean Antoine Winfield Juniors take. I'm so glad you brought him up and I know you say he was incredible so I'm glad you brought them up. Go ahead credible. So once a year he gets Mackenzie here and he kept on mentioning Andrew Woodfield junior and I hadn't done his tape from the preseason. I didn't have any Minnesota Games. I I was just I was trying to catch up on and so I put on that Penn state tape the I I. Don't I have no idea what happened? The second play he goes and takes. I think it was a wide receiver or tight. End A ten yards down the field. He was trying to block them. And you just get out of the way and makes attack on the open field and then the third play he opens his hips turns and runs and goes and high points the ball and take gets the interceptions as the ball back after those three plays. Kuyper is right audience Listen when when you guys were first introduced I think people were like. Oh who's this young kid with todd? Mcshay trying to you know ruffled feathers with Mel Kiper. You you guys have developed such a great relationship and respect for each other. How would you describe you know you you in Koper going back and forth starting in late January leading up to the draft? What's it like for you guys? It's interesting we're like six months a year. Really good friends also. It's like any friend that you have just passionate about something you can get in an argument I can. I legitimately sometimes get upset with him. And he legitimately will get upset with me but the second we're done everything's fine. I'll never forget it was an. I think the first time we ever got an argument on on Air. I was a so Gary Horton started me. In this business. He worked for Bill Belichick As a scout he was in Tampa Bay he was he worked Arizona State. He started me in this business and got me into it and the first year that I was doing I was down in Charlotte and it was for. Espn you doing the draft and I garden. We had a back and forth and he. He was MELANOMAS in in New York for the draft and and Gary called me right after and was like. Hey Todd knows really upset and I was like. Oh no no. He's he's pissed like you can't you can't go back and forth within like that. You cannot have an argument like that. You embarrassed him. He wasn't this whole thing and I was so I felt horrible. I was twenty seven years old. You know I was just I was trying to go back and forth and toggle. You're doing the right thing. I hear Kuyper in the background giggling. He's phones I don't ever care I don't care I love it. That is an awesome story. And then that perfectly describes Mel Mountain L. is melrose so cool about everything and and he's passionate about what he does but at the same time like you know once you're done talking about it he moves on and he's he's as good as anybody could ever see and talk to you know and that's what. I was sick last week. And he called and checked in on me you know and then I talked to him two days ago checking in on his his family and making sure everything was okay. We we definitely go back back and forth at each other and we were competitive But but I love that guy. And he's no one's been more supportive of me and my career than than Mel Kiper and I. You Know I'll always be appreciative of what he's done. That's amazing and and one of the reasons why you guys have hit the mainstream We all know what you guys do it. It's just the skit with Kelly. Endo when you first saw that skit and then you saw being played nonstop. What was it like for you especially the Thai? I tied right. What was your reaction to it. All so first of all. He was in makeup for eight hours. I think I'll never forget. I was trying to go back to Boston that day. And just like you. Can't we have to take this thing? Kellyanne knows and make up for eight hours. And so we wound up taping it. I think it was like eight or nine o'clock at night whenever it was and we think we were on for like. I don't know forty five fifty minutes of going back and forth and then we we're done. We're finishing up. Frank came over as a guard. Is there anything anything you can tell me about mel that that? I maybe didn't see and he said he had watched what he said. Like forty hours of tape on Mel just to get the voice down something crazy but so at the end I was like Let me think Mel says my first name and I don't like I don't like my first name. I still to this day yell at my mom about Todd. Yeah I don't like it but melted my first name more than any human being has ever said it so we did all these tapes and all these different things and he's very well. It's just one take and we'll be done. And he went back to wherever he was sending a and he did that and I was sitting there. He's like Todd Todd. Todd Todd Todd Tom and that's it that's incredible and here's the thing. No one knows that you don't like your name and that's Kellyanne the exclusive on Before we let you go I we do want to ask this and I'm curious about it to you. How are you handling things like? What's it been like for you? Has ANYTHING CHANGED? You know you're obviously not making trips the Bristol. But you're still working. What's it like for you to During this this worldwide crisis in Hispania macra were all at home and we had kids. And you're balancing your work at home. What's it been like for you the move studios twice and now it's in my in my kids play room. My wife and kids left to go to get away simply. Because I'm you know I'm doing. Tv and working all the time so they had the kind of go and get away. And I'm not going to see them for a month and I miss him like crazy thing. I'm sitting here. I've got papers and notes and stuff everywhere and I've got my tape over there in the studio and the kids playroom but the hardest part is face timing with them every day and and just you know missing them. I miss them a lot. It's tough yeah I can only imagine it always was crazy and I was always working at ton but I would come home from Bristol after four days of TV. Yet I would I would. I would at least be around at night and now I don't I don't get to see him at all. It it sucks. It's tough because it's a good distraction. You know you also for like one or two hours. You're not thinking about mock drafts right. And you're you're helping your wife Because you know let's be honest when we're in this business you know. Our spouses are doing a lot of the stuff that that we would like to share with. But we can't and now it's taken on the task of all by herself in That's a credit to you guys in understanding like you're locked in your work and your job but at the same time our kids are the one thing I've noticed taught about this whole thing. Our kids are more justifiable than than we already know dealing with the way better than than than I yes. It's incredible like I won't point. I told my wife yesterday said do we need all right? Take them for a car ride. And she's like you're thinking way too much she's like they are so happy that they can run around could be outside and they can come back in the house. Why why would you just keep them locked up in a car just drive around? I'm like I don't know just thinking they see something and she's like stop it. They're good and she's like you you you just. You're thinking for them. But you're thinking like a forty five year old when they're seven six and three and they're just happy you're home and we're playing around. I'm like that's a good point so I've learned a terrible terrible keeping the kitchen together issues but I- I procrastinate laundering. I can't fold anything worth what it comes to being a spouse you're like sticks their seventh round. Pick right now I will do appreciate you joining us here in the college football podcast. And and we know the next two weeks or Ryan so thanks for carving out the time and and of course they safety you and your family you gotTa kept saying to You. Take care of one.

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Combine Review

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Combine Review

"Pennzoil synthetics made from natural gas make this the time for performance this time of year. You never know what the weather's going to bring and extreme weather needs an extremely performance motor oil. So use Pennzoil synthetics to keep your engine purring Pennzoil synthetics complete protection for top engine performance. Everyday brings us closer closer to the moment. When the next generation of NFL stars learn their destiny. Franchises. Try to lay the foundation for the next dynasty witty birth. This is first draft now alongside NFL draft insiders milk hybrid junior and Todd mcshay Pierce, Chris Brown. We survived an Chris Brown they'll piper. And Todd or who we survive chance podcast meeting Indian male. You're back in one piece. Yes, I am. I'm ready to go. Sam up close guys. This is a fun. Combine I read your excellent recap of it on ESPN dot com. And one thing, you know, Todd mentioned the speed all over the place. We we had some we had some really impressive kind of lock it in performances from the defense alignment Todd one thing I love about the combine is when you watch a guy all year, and you take time in January and February and watch the tape and the guy goes and works out. And you're like, oh, I'm so glad because that's what I thought. I saw a guy like Quinton Williams that over three hundred pounds running at about four eight with a great ten yard split. I'm just leading off right there. Because I get it quarterbacks. Maybe go one to in this thing. But if at the top of my board Quinton a Bosa those guys proved it, and it's so nice when it actually matches the tape what leads off for you in terms of just most impressive at the top of your board. I think the the defensive front seven was really the story that and a surprising wide receiver group that had nine guys run sub four force in comparison. There was only one year ago DJ chalk from. Issue. So you can see the difference already in speed. And it's the in the last fifteen years, I think it is. Now, this is twenty zero sixteen years. It's the fastest group of you take the average of all the forty yard dashes for wide receiver, and I never would have guessed that. But then going back to the defensive front seven. I mean, it was just it was such a track. Meet the big guys were just racing down the forty yard dash line. And then everything else they did to the numbers were just so good across the board. And then the linebackers that we knew there are a few really good special ones. And and they showed up. I mean, Devon white running the time that he did and come out of LSU just absolutely locks down that that number one off the ball linebacker type, and you know, across the board. He was to thirty seven six feet tall. He runs the four four two the fastest of the of all the linebackers. This year had a thirty nine and a half inch vertical and rent a four one seven in the. Short shuttle. That's like those are wide receiver numbers, man. And he's to thirty seven point playing Mike linebacker. So he was impressive. I thought Devin Bush was equally impressive. I thought white with his workout would kind of walk away from him and create some separation, but I don't I mean, I think whites a better player, but not by much then if you can get bullshit pick twenty versus white pick ten somewhere in that range. I don't know that you're getting much less of a player. He ran a four four three it a two hundred and thirty four pounds. So basically identical numbers forty and a half inch vertical which is better a better broad jump. Better three cone, so pick your poison. But those two I think we got so caught up in the defensive linemen with with Cornyn Williams. And all those guys that when the linebackers went later in that day, we were still buzzing about the deal line. But I think they had two of the best linebacker performances that I've ever seen at the combine at that position. A male gonna give you a little shoutout here. Your last. Mock draft, you get I think you had Montas sweat number five overall. Sure. Sure the Twitter mentions we're like Mel we work in for here. Montas what number five overall Montas wet goes out and runs four four one your esteemed colleague, Todd mcshay has him as one of the biggest rises coming out of the combine you don't have to push them up that much. So there, you know, there's your shoutout is that what you expected to see. Yeah. You can't do much more than he did. I mean, that's remarkable. And I think I was there. I was watching Devon Bush run to go back to one Todd was talking about Bush and he's flying. And then you see Devon whites got to wait a long time, and he comes out and just barely beats with Devon Bush ran and as a former running back, you can see that. But I sweat four four one on the heels of what the senior bowl was. That's when I moved them up there and you test well, but not run that fast. So the defensive players kind of made up for the say the wide receiver the running back performance a somewhere. Lackluster quarterbacks didn't. Wow me over this year. Nearly what you last year's group was tight ends. And just okay. But then the Lyman same thing. But there were receivers in the defensive players and the safeties running cornerback type speeds, it was pretty remarkable. When you see what a guy. Like one Thornhill Virginia also played corner as well as safety will Harris BC money Hooker, Iowa, Darnell savage, junior, Maryland, Jonathan Abram ran a great time. Good football player at Mississippi State around a good time. So I think the safeties really I thought showed that they belong in that early round discussion some corners at didn't run great. We'll have a chance to make amends at the pro day. The Andre Baker Byron Murphy. Joon Williams Vanderbilt they're going to have a chance to make amends and greedy Williams. We said he needed to run fast. He did four three seven and he's a cover guy. He's not a tackler. But hey, if you're not going to be the physical run support tackling presence. You better be a guy who can be shutdown corner and running under four four certainly solidifies greed. Williams's an early first round pick time I was sitting with the patriots last night flying home to Boston from from Indian. We're talking about the safeties how they were running faster times in the corners. I mean, it was really surprising to see two hundred and five hundred and seven pound guys out running a lot of the you know, the one eighty five on ninety five pound corners, and how about Zach woods from ole miss. I mean, he's an in the box safety. I think two hundred five two hundred seven pounds in that range most of his career. He plays near the line of scrimmage, and he comes out and runs the fastest forty time of anyone at the entire combine. And so now, you gotta go back to the. And study the tape on. And and see what you know, what the potential can be now that you know, that there's that speed. Well, and that's Todd. You can explain this more. But that's that's exactly what the combine does though. Right. It's it's it you know, what Montas what is capable of. And then he confirms it. Now, you're wondering what else can he do what else can woods do because you're not necessarily guys can do things they weren't necessarily asked to do. There's corners that you think are safety is vice versa box linebackers that might have safety potential. I mean, it's just an interesting thing that like that's why some of this stuff matters. Does does it tell me he's a good football player? No. Does it? Tell me if there's something he might something else. He might do on a football field. Possibly. Yeah. That's exactly it. And. Like you said earlier in a perfect world. A guy comes out and performs the way you see him on tape. And you don't have to do anything to adjust Devon white Devon Bush. We're kind of were great examples quitting Williams. The Alabama defensive tackle, great example. You can go down the line. I mean, a lot of the guys who were supposed to work out. Well, did work out. Well, Andre Diller the offensive tackle from from Washington state proved while he's the best pure pass protecting left tackle in the class bradberry. The center from North Carolina State comes out, and and just I mean, it's. I mean, it's it's obvious. When you're watching the move around who the best athlete is. And I thought throughout all the drills Garrett bradberry was was the guy and he's the best. He's a center. I think is the best interior offensive linemen in the class. And he put up numbers that matched up now on the other hand there are guys that that come out, and they don't run, and they don't work out the way that you think you see them on tape, and that starts to concern, you Hopkinson TJ Hopkinson, the tight end from Iowa actually had a really good workout. I think everyone got caught up. He ran a four seven one. I think four seven was the official, but overall you gotta look at the whole workout. It's not just the forty. There were some other guys that were disappointing. The Cornerbacks didn't run as well. I thought a couple of the guys is expected the Andre Baker in the low four fives. I was hoping you'd be more than the fours Irv Smith ran a good forty time. The tight end out of Alabama. Check out the rest of his workout, though, blow average jumps blow average. Shuttles. Just didn't have the you. Compare him in Fant and I know Noah fan coming out of Iowa is is has his issues and he's not a perfect player. And he blocking is just not going to be his thing. But you compare those numbers, and it's a huge gap in terms of explosiveness in an athlete, and he's talking about an explosive athlete. Todd just being there. And watching a Brian burns. Just catch the ball. I mean when he was catching the football. When obviously always trying to intercept the Pasha linebacker defensive end, but he was catching it like a receiver tight end and ran into four fives. And there's a kid right there. Just when you look at Bobby Ross used to say when we were watching practice. I remember at the Baltimore Colts in the early eighties, and he'd stand next to buys. You can tell the athletes you can tell just watch the always say who's that guy and say, oh, well, you can always tell who the real studs are on the football field. And just watching those guys what at Devon white. Did you see that frame? His how chisel and cut. He is pretty remarkable. So. The the big timers jump out at you. When you just you don't have to know a thing about any of these guys who they are. You can just look down that field and pick out who the the big time prospects are in some cases. All right. Let's do a category here Todd. And you guys have both pointed out that some of these guys the bushes. The whites the Williams of Bose's a lot of these guys confirmed what you saw on tape. Now. I wanna go through guys that I think fall more into that twenty five to fifty mix is is a lot closer than a lot of people think and see who possibly did you have as to who might have gotten into the conversation as one as teams go back to the tape based on what they saw I think a lot of people have this guy to one. But I'll give you an example as a thought started here on the category. Guys who moved up into the one conversation. Anybody who didn't think Paris Campbell was really worth a one now four three one over two hundred pounds looks like he's got the hands dialed on a little bit more than maybe he did earlier in his Ohio State career mail. Is that a fair one to get this ball started? It's fair, but it was expected. Everybody knew Paris Campbell could run around a four to six I believe was a time that you had heard about him. We had Dwayne Haskins when are set when he ABC special on Saturday's that he could fly your parents can fly that wasn't a surprise about Paris Campbell. But he did put the exclamation point. At the end to say, it's definitely. I am K medcalf. That's rare what he did with K Metcalf numbers where you don't see. And I'd wanna top ten in the last mock mcshea took a few shots at me with that. When that's fine. Be interested to see where you have them tomorrow. Mr. mcshea went decay MEF either way, I want my flame. Waiting for my flaming on nine ounce. Matt, mashed potatoes milk and. Carried away. But that killed you in that bet I deserve a filet Mignon coleslaw, and a nice nice, tell them what it is and Isabel. Underrated. His speed. In high school. I didn't realize that. That time had him about four seven. And then Mel got it adjusted down to four three one. Yes, I clobber Joe on that I deserve more than Nash potatoes. Come on you cold, mashed potatoes of like. Of like. All right. All right. Todd gets one though in terms of guys that guys that were more in that thirty five to forty five range who is now thinking, I don't know. There's there's a good chance this guy slips in around one. I think rocky you sin from temple is someone to keep an eye on good. I think he had a really good overall workout. He's tough as nails, man. I love just love watching him play. You know, he's almost six feet hundred ninety two pounds ran a four five one, which isn't a great time. But he had thirty nine and a half inch vertical. Ten foot broad jump. His numbers across the board. Really good. And he just watching him work out with the Cornerbacks. He he just moves. Well, and he's got a great feel feel for the game. I think that's one that could move in there that we haven't really talked a lot about Taylor wrap the safety from Washington is another guy that I think is we continue to get closer. You're going to hear his name, more and more. Byron Murphy, I think with a good overall. He just looked like their smoothest corner out there watching him and all the drills again, he ran a four five not a great time five ten and a half one hundred ninety pounds. But all these other numbers, we really good. And he's better at their pro day Todd from yeah. Yeah. They all will. Oh, they all do. I think the thing that's scary though, on quite honestly, Brian burns, those numbers are freakish. I went back and watch the tape that night. Because I don't have nearly as high grade on them as is those numbers match up. It's it's hard to get really excited. And I know his production is really good in twenty four sacks twenty four and a half. I think in the last three years at Florida state. But I just don't see the speed. I see the F lettuce schism. But what happens when he's reached? And I just worry about pass rushers that don't have power element to their game. And that's what anytime he tries to use speed to power it tends to stall. So guys like that are the ones that you go back, and you really look at and you and you get concerned about now on the flip side and chase win evolves. From Michigan comes out and runs like a four six in the in the forty yard dash and works out really, well and all the drills. He's a guy who I've thought on tape is more like a second rounder worse. Third rounder. And now I feel better about putting him in that range because he's got numbers that match up with that. Mel, let's go through a few names. And by that, I mean twenty seven knowing you a few names that you are thinking more of day three guys. I think this is where the work as the first run guy solidify status where you see these bigger jumps is is guys you had as four fives. Who suddenly that the workout are so good? You'll get that guy in the building. Yeah. Sometime late Friday night. And let's get this done who are the guys that were more in the day three camp that you're thinking, I think I'm going to be talking about this kid on Friday night. And you're thinking fourth around there. So from the fourth round fifth round here. I think Tyree Jackson buffalo just physically and just the way he played at buffalo. He tailed off a little weight somebody's going to take him in a second round third round area. So he gets a little bump, I mean, so athletic. He's got the army. I always want us coaching is the developmental prospect. You defines what that is? But I think somebody jumps at him a little early Hakim Butler. I think somebody just on what his numbers are. We said was a one two or is the afford. It was a big gap. When you talk to people know Bilton consensus on Hakim Butler, Iowa State on a he certainly gets that bump up. To where he could be in that early round discussion three workout Chris Lindstrom. Boston College is a guy with his versatility. I'm the where people had them before. But he's jumping up. I think he's going to certainly going to be a guy that people have a pretty good grade on after all said and done THAAD mentioned bradberry. Eric McCoy definitely and most people at second thirty could jump up with his versatility. And be well in that mix to be a second round pick. Yeah. I know when you look at the defensive lineman Saunders from western Illinois. I like I think he's going to be a solid player in the league. I don't know if we jump him up and bump up that far. But I think he's certainly got it is a good football player and deserves to be in the mix fairly early Alani Johnson's going to be interesting from Kentucky thought he ran well enough bigger corner that you would certainly think should be in that discussion. I'm gonna go again to the defensive secondary one Thornhill to me as a guy on my team. And today, it's like the mccourty with the played in the of the Macoris. I think Thornhill when you had the the length and the versatility he has and the speed I think somebody's going to jump at him a little earlier when people may have thought prior to his running the forty time. Hey, todd. I wanna give you one of mel's guys. This is going to hurt him a little bit miles boykin link crazy out. Yeah. But pump the brakes a little bit somewhere. Things. A little though. Yeah. One year guy though, and I can go. One year guy tied. You know, he he had a good year Stanford game tech, and there are others where even meat on the bone Kuyper. Lays sold on wakened is a two I had item of the third or fourth going into the workout. You're gonna bump them up to a two. I have a metaphor. I think he to me. Let's let's define that. At least for for me. Like in the first round. If we say, I it's just it's relatable for fans. But the way I try to graze first round expect it to be this player to be a top end starter for a team in the top ten obviously looking for perennial Pro Bowl player. Second third round initially, maybe a nickel a number three. Even a number four at a position, but has the potential to develop into a solid two good starter. And then when you get four around and beyond you're looking for guys that maybe have some upside or maybe maybe it's a durability issue. They you know, they can be a starter if they can stay healthy or they can help on special teams and those sorts of things. So to me he was a guy that I thought could be like a number four develop into a number four receiver. He's got potential but on tape. I didn't see quite this explosive player, and I didn't there just wasn't a lot of consistency over his career. Then you look at these numbers six three and a half to twenty four four two in the forty forty three and a half inch vertical? What he's like an eleven eleven eleven broad jump six seven seven point. I mean, the numbers across the board every single one or elite so. I've got to go back, and you can't study every single tape in full twenty four hours. But he's one of the guys that I've got started that I've got to go back and study more of because clearly something's not matching them and real quick as the running backs the ones you thought would be we're going to be fairly highly rated Devon single Terry's. Florida Atlantic David Montgomery, Iowa State. Devin, single Terry broke, my heart. Mel I had him as the number two running back in this class. And then he went out, and and ran what he ran for six. And you know, what he's he's going to be innocent leaper because. Yeah, exactly exactly you can't sit there and pound the table in a draft room with single Terry when he's five seven and a half two hundred and three pounds, run a four six six and numbers that just aren't explosive across the board compared to some of the other guys that you know, are similar size or bigger running a lot a lot better. But he may wind up being a real value pick steal, whatever you wanna call it in day three and a guy I would bump up a little bit would be mild Sanders. Running back at Penn State. Eight. Yep. Yeah. I tend to agree. I think I underrated his his explosiveness as well. All right, guys. I wanna I wanna pull out some of the guys that are Sanders is close. But some of the guys that are just big name college football players at a lot of people are curious about where they're going to end up. I'll start with a guy out of Arizona state, and Kiel Harry, he he had some great numbers. And then he had some interesting numbers ran for five three and it's six six to three to twenty eight. You'll take that twenty seven reps on the bench. Mel he kind of looks like the player that he you know, in from testing perspective, the player is he's kinda big. But he's not just going to flat out run by you. He's physical, you know, but he's not necessarily gonna always out jump. You might just win physically. Like is this guy that you know, he's likely to. But somebody says we wanna go up and get it type at the end around one or where do you see him? Now, I'm looking at these brand name types from the college game. And where they ended up. Yeah. Harry, you always look the Sean Jeffrey type guys the contested catch guys the power forward types. He is who he is. I think he's a I wouldn't think first round for an Akil. Harry ties may disagree. I don't will see tomorrow. But I think he's a two I would put him in the second round Harry. I think some of the other receiver depot Samuel I would take higher. I would take a Preston Williams. Colorado state. It wasn't at the combine which is that story for another day. But Preston Williams, Colorado state would be a little higher. I wanna see how Anthony Johnson buffalo emerge. I liked him as a player threads career want to see how he happens with the draft process with him. But I would put Harry in the mid second round mid to late second round area. I'll give you one Todd. You've seen him in person a few times, I didn't expect this number out of a kind of a college football brand name Mike Weber from Ohio State smaller guy, but he packed he's packing to eleven. He runs four four nine backs. It up with a four four eight composite of a four four seven everything else. Is kind of their twenty two reps thirty three and a half inch vertical? I never saw Mike Weber as a home run type at the NFL. I probably still don't but guy ran for a ton of yards in the college game on a big stage. What did you see from him? I'm not a big Mike Weber guy. To me his tape is solid. But there's just nothing nothing. So it's it's hard. I mean, these numbers are good. But remember he did a vertical jump which is thirty three and a half, which is it's actually below average. And he ran the four four seven five nine and a half two hundred eleven pounds. So while it's a good forty. There's a lot more to play running back then just to forty and he didn't do any of the shuttle's or the the broad jump as well and those show explosiveness change of direction body, you know, body control and all those other things that you wanna see at the running back position. So yeah, it it definitely jumped out. I was surprised Benny Snell's and other guy who ran I think a four four. He ran four six six, right? Yeah. Yeah. You're right. I was I was actually looking at Weber who's right below him on the list. So yeah, he's he'd brand. What I expected them to run. Yeah. Big back, and that's not he's not a game-breaker. But he ran you know, what you thought Benesch Nell. Who's a move the chains guy and inside tough grinder workhorse can catch the ball do some things. So bending smell against guys. Just are who they are. And they're going to give them a bump up or down. They did what you expected them to do. And you would amaze me tot, and Chris watching these guys is how many of these juniors you say, why don't you come out early? It back when we were started ten years ago. Fifteen we were talking about guys that were first or second round picks come out if you're third we got guys coming out. And then I can get drafted every year late round picks. Why aren't you back in college? I just sit there and say why is that hundred and forty four why that should be seventy four not one hundred and forty four it consistently happens. Frustrating to just two junk. Cut you off there. But thing that was frustrating about the running backs three of the five biggest names didn't even work out. It's not their fault. They were injured would legitimately. But Rodney Anderson from Oklahoma obviously had the season ending injury. Josh Jacobs that one's debatable because he was supposed to work out leading up to it. And then decided last minute with a minor growing, Paul. He claims he he'll work out at his pro day. And then Bryce love obviously coming off the the AC L injury in the lash last game of the season. And he probably won't be able to work out at all is my guess. So it's it's tough when three of the big name guys don't participate at all. Now, I'll give you one more just because we haven't gotten into this group, you mentioned Tyree Jackson raised but out of all the quarterbacks who maybe it was the sneaky athlete pick. The most was maybe and maybe it's just out of the forty time. But drew lock showed up and ran fast. Looks like a pretty decent athlete there. There's a lot of talk of him as being that guy who is that third name possibly round one possibly two. I would probably guess late one. Did he do anything of any of the quarterbacks that obviously Tyree? Jackson was more of a curiosity that jumped once and put them side by side with all these guys see the ball come off his hand comparatively. What about the other guys lockin Jones lock was disappointing to me in that? Because I expected him this all this talk about the great great, great elite arm show it and Josh Allen showed it during the combine last year. He showed he was elite Sherlock didn't. And I don't know if he went in because he was. Coached that way to be more accurate. Don't they know you have the whatever it is show. What you got? I didn't see him rip. It Lynn cut it loose. I was disappointed there. I thought he'd put on a show thought if you're going to work out it to combine and the combines not venue that's positive for quarterbacks. I mean, you've gotta really be competent wanna do it there because you're with other guys or I would save it for a pro day of always said that if I'm a top level quarterback. I wouldn't throw it to combine. Now he did. And Allen did news knows I can well y- over I thought locked could. But he didn't he was just another guy out there throwing and that's not then you'll Jones your new win. Look good at this venue. I thought drew lock would Todd and he didn't to me while me over at all. I I I saw it a little differently. I mean, I do agree. There were a few throws that I thought he would let rip I thought towards the end of the session, especially those the post corner routes the last two throws. He made were big time. I mean on a line something yards down the field. And and got there in a hurry and perfectly placed to most importantly. But there were also some throws where I thought he you know, he he just didn't let it rip the vertical throws. I think were those are the ones that I would tend to agree. I thought he was a little late on one. And then another one he just didn't he didn't air it out. And I'd rather in that drill now in real life. I'd actually rather miss short. If I'm gonna if I'm gonna throw deep ball and be off target. So my receiver could come back and get it. But in in that drill. I think you'd rather just overthrow the guy up. Sorry, you know, too big of an arm for this for this receiver. I tell all the quarterbacks I coach over three overthrow the hell out of it at the combine, it's it's the it's the best way. These guys gotta run faster. To catch up to my deep ball. But Locke I thought I thought he was so I mean, I think it's very clear that the two best arms. The two most natural passers of the group were Wayne Haskins from Ohio, State and luck. And I think with lock with the F lettuce. You know, he was he was offered a scholarship to go play Oklahoma basketball, just because he's a big guy and a pocket passer. Typically doesn't mean he's not athletic. He is athlete. He ran. Well, he showed his athleticism, and if you watch the tape I mean, some of his best place come on busted plays where he's getting outside the pocket and throwing off balance. All right. I didn't fifteen to Washington in the last mock, I'm I'm kind of critical. It was I expected more because I had him at fifteen. I want him to show. He lied. You're defending him. You didn't add meager last mock. Or are you going to have them in the one good? It will preview we're going to have them in the mock that we are going to be talking about tomorrow. Yes. He's in there. Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna logon tomorrow. All right last question on the comma, and then we're going to jump to the AFC Kuyper. I hear you pal. Mel let's one done quick take Mel the number one guy out of the zillion workouts that you saw you watched him as a college football player. This you last year laying right, dude, there's not much here. And then you saw the combine. And it did what the combine does and says. Man. I gotta I gotta make some calls on this guy. I gotta go back to the tape because something's here. The you know, the spandex got me he's flying. He's jumping high. Who was it that stood out where you said, I I gotta reassess I'm going back to the drawing board on a clean Butler after you see that workout and I've been say Luke warm of her people say first round second, Adam in the third fourth when you're that big and your that athletes, and you're on that. Well, I I will state cyclone receiver. I gotta go back and try to figure out is came Butler worthy of being talked about as a late. I only second round pick. I think that while people that say, wow, workout, we call. That's something that says, boy, you guys all better. Stop doubting me and start looking at me a little closer. I cooking Butler for me would be that guy. Who's your guy? Todd. You just had them. All right. I had all right. Mark fields. Yeah. Washington state shout out in here now here. Yeah. The father. Yep. Most father was linebacker. Good player. A first-round pick four Todd such a good scout. Because Mark Fields not just because that was the number one name I wrote down four three seven oily, hips oily hips. He didn't do you didn't do anything else. Besides the bench press. But I didn't expect to see that speed feel to really was like he was there nickel this year on Tapis. You know, he comes in nickel Don situations, but he's not a full-time starter. And he came out and had a big run. So this I'll tell you what he's another one of those guys, though, what happens when you go to you know, in recent years, Bama pro day or Clemson pro day. I mean, dude number twelve or do number thirteen might still be interesting on those teams. Yeah. And how about Sheldrick red wine? Good player. Save name. Six foot. Six hundred coming out of Miami up six foot one hundred ninety six pounds. He runs a four four four with a thirty nine inch vertical. I can't do the math on what is it ten ten ten broad jump. And then a four one four which is a really good short shuttle for safety. I mean, those are good big time numbers. Yeah. It's a lot of fun and they had Mel out there. So it was obviously a highly rated event guys we are gonna take a quick break. And then we are jumping in to the AFC west going to be a fun division next year. Let me tell you about Pete who loved hockey and always wanted to play in the NHL Pete played since he was three and begged his mom to let them stay on the ice play some nights, he even slept in hockey skates p tractors and practiced until one day when he was forty seven p three lines. He just wasn't that good. So he threw his skates in the trash. But then you heard how DIKO proud partner of the NHL good save money on car insurance. So he switched and saved a bunch. So it all worked out the Kansas City Chiefs Kansas City Chiefs from why told have a quarterback who is super-motivated bummed out? And I have sources and his ready to come back and murder everybody next year figuratively. They got that position solves Mel Andy Reid joked about it at the combine Justin Houston is. Now, finally, no longer a Kansas City chief after a long great run. But they got some good things going on the defensive side of the ball. Chris Jones became what Todd mcshay always believed he could be if his motorin hot and even guys like Derek Nandi showed a lot, but they could look different in a few spots. Mel what do you see from this team who obviously really believes that anything short of? Super Bowl would be a disappointment next year. Yeah, they have some some questions based on free agency that will get answered whether it's on the offensive line. These up at the edge guys. Obviously think about a running back in other receiver corner edge rusher. I mean safety there's a lot of different areas as team could go with that twenty nine th pick. Yeah, I Jonathan Abram safety for Mississippi State there with the last mock, I did, but they have for a team that like say, they're there because of Patrick Mahomes makes place facts when you have a Mahomes, you're going to be expected to be in the Super Bowl could have very easily been there this year, but they have some tweaks to do on defense that they have some upgrades to make their and we said the offensive line the interior that line is something obviously free agent. That'll we'll determine that. But an add another weapon at the white out position as we said for a running back. There is some depth there. They'll find a running back down the line. You would think couldn't go first round. We'll see. But I think this is a team of the of the teams picking at the end of the first round Todd. They're the team that has probably the most areas that they could address. Yeah. Bread features the general manager is he Andy Reid have some some work to do just depending on how they handle free agency. You know? So the work starts with that. Which guys are we bringing back? I mean, I did the chiefs preseason game. So I know this team pretty well. Mitch is a good player at center. My guess is they bring him back Spencer where and char- Kandic west are both free agents. My guess is they bring one of them back, maybe both go, Damian Williams and Daryl Williams, they've got depth. But they don't have the guy is my opinion on it. Then on the defensive side. Alan Bailey is he gonna come back could Justin Houston become a cap casualty of read about that recently. And so now, yes, you've got Christiane. You've got naughty. Alan Bailey is a free a free agent d Ford. They put the franchise tag on a believe, right? Yes. Four franchise. Houston will be out. And then cornerback get Steven Nelson in Orlando Scandic. So they're both reagents as well. So I think at that point you're looking probably at a cornerback or maybe a safety, but in that area. I think is like Byron Murphy from from Washington. Rocky sin. We talked about Deandra Baker from from Georgia could still be around after not running that. Well, although I still think he's a really good football player. And I I wonder where greedy Williams is going to go. I know he worked out. Well, yeah. The really good forty time. But do you want something more physical at that position? So, but I think there's depth that corner safety, and then possibly one of those hybrid edge guys, if if something falls your way, a Mel one last question on the cheese, you know, one one of the sprout theories of the universe is your biggest hole is actually if a this great player is not on the field and that players. Travis Kelsey has had some Knicks. The last couple years he turns thirty in October. I'm just wondering if it's late second round or they have that ninety three pick Utah. Keep saying there's a lot of tight ends to be found. I'm wondering if they look at that position as they want to develop another potential weapons slash backup that could emerge lateness season four Patrick Mahomes. They could think they have some other needs that override that. I don't think the tightened group to me is not that great. Somebody's guys didn't run as well as expected some did. But it's kind of a mixed bag. They're all really change your opinion on that on a couple of days in India. I did I did I was. Yeah. I thought they would do a little bit better than that. They didn't. But but I think for the chiefs they could if you look at guys Tommy Sweeney's cadence Smith, the guys like that Caleb Wilson dos and knocks me there's some tight ends out there that could go in those areas, but I'm not as excited about that position. As I thought it would be the Los Angeles chargers. Here we go again, Los Angeles chargers team that has a lot of talent very quietly consistent quarterback Philip rivers last couple of years really clean it up in terms of the interceptions. But there's some there's some interesting free agency decisions to be made on the defensive side of the ball hopefully of full season from Joey Bosa. You know and other guys Melvin Ingram. Getafe? It's Brown means a really good pass rush. Todd. What's your starting point here? One other name off throughout their Tiro. Williams is a question, Mark. There's a lot of talk that some teams are going to throw a ton of money tyro Williams in free agency, which suddenly leaves you with some pretty good pieces at wide receiver. But not, but at least one whole. Yeah. I think the first of all I think Anthony ended a hell of a job is past year. I mean, this is a good team. But it's not the Kansas City Chiefs, talent wise, it's not, you know, they're not the patriots. They're not some of the other, you know, elite teams and to get as far as they did. I was I was impressed. I think speaking of the patriots thought late in the season they got pushed around a little bit. And I think they're going to need to be a little bit more physical up front defensively they're losing three defensive or potentially could lose to defensive lineman interior guys Brennan, Damian square and Darius file on. So I think that's an area they could look to to address early on offensive guard tackles and other position. I think that they could they could upgrade I think linebacker Denzel Perryman Kyle manual both free agents. So that could be a spot and then. Jason barrett. What are they going to do with that that cornerback spot as well? So they've got a lot of question marks on the defensive side of the ball. I'd be surprised if they didn't go defense. And I think the other thing too, we need to look at is that what point do you try to draft a quarterback to develop in and maybe potentially become the heir-apparent to Philip rivers Daniel Jones spot from Duke, if you think that the locks go a lot higher Jerry Tillery who ran really well. From Notre Dame had some splash flash games while games at Notre Dame. Jerry Tillery watching them all year. Look like a late one. He could be there. They need a defensive tackle desperately and Jeffrey Simmons not and prisoner guy. I mean, how far now do you push him is he a second round or at some point somebody by the time, we get the late April. It's gonna look at that top five talent and say, I got it to get Jeffrey Simmons in the fold late. I ran into chargers could be Rams. There's teams in the late. I could medically redshirt in getting ready for year to Jeffrey Simmons, Jerry Tillery. It'll be tough to pass over at that point in the draft of the chargers who desperately needed defensive tackle the Denver Broncos. Denver broncos. Mel did. They solve their quarterback program or problem program by getting your boy, because I guess that's kind of one of the questions is is the addition of the Baltimore rifle with the fabulous. Rocco? Yeah. Joe flacco is the addition of him enough to keep them off that position as a talking point in that draft or does the addition of Joe flacco, and in at least the possibility that both him and keenum could be gone by next year almost exceleron it do you need to get somebody around to around three and say, all right. Let's let's start the developmental car. Back up again. Yeah. For John Elway it's been Peyton Manning at the end of his career win the Super Bowl. Then you bring in Paxton Lynch bus, then you bring in case keenum disappointment. Now, you trade for Joe. Laco at some point. They gotta get it right last year because it got stung on Lynch didn't take the doting. They don't look at Josh Allen. So again, you're looking at a team that just hasn't been in sync with the way the quarterbacks have gone and other teams were trying to get Lynch had. They got out Kansas City. You try to get Lynch God. And they wouldn't have had my homes and Denver wouldn't have ever had Lynch. So a lot of things went crazy that year because of the Lynch and the situation there, but they got to get I haven't even like Joe flacco. But I think the draft a young quarterback he's gonna get mid thirties. Now with injury question is not a bad thing to do. Not at ten is the team has some holes. They need a corner. You think about down the line tight end wide receiver, nose tackle interior. The line is teams got a lot of areas. Look at I thought, greedy Williams would make sense if they're ten I he could be and he would be somebody to look at. But there are certainly other need areas. TJ Hopkinson at tight end with give the quarterback flacco. He loves the throw to tight end. Joe's is go to the tight end. And you don't have a lot of big timers there right now. Hopkinson it at Iowa. Whether it's a little earlier not remains to be seen. Todd. Get me excited about this team. I guess I look at the to pass rushers and I say. Oh, man. They're gonna I mean, it's no fun to drop back against his team forty five times. But where else you look at the team? And he said man, I'm fired up. Well. To start a pep rally. You just don't know you you're trying to talk your way into ten wins in it's tough. I think knows right. I think they need to tight end. I think they need to protect the quarterback. That's been an issue. The last couple of years they use the first round pick and seventeen on Garrett Bowles. He's not been great. But he starting to get better. You got two of your starters at center, and right tackle that are going to be free agents. Or are you going to bring them back for continuity, or you're going to try to upgrade that position? I expect them to probably try to upgrade at least one of those two positions. And then you look on the defensive side. What what are we going to do at cornerback? You know, you lost to leave? They've got Bradley Roby's unrestricted free agent is he gonna come back and then Chris Harris suffered injury. So. There's a lot of question marks in the secondary. I know I'm not giving you a lot of excitement here. But you do have on Miller. Do have Bradley chummy on them Gotz. Interior defensive line. Derek Wolfe, you've got some parts and the biggest thing you got to do in this league outside. It'd be great quarterback is to get after the quarterback Nick can do that. So if they can just get some kind of upgrade quarterback, and then get the running game going like they did last year with Philip Lindsay and get a little bit more protection. They've got a chance to turn things around. But man, this is a tough division. I mean, obviously Oakland excluded. But the other two teams in this division that we just covered. Good luck beating them right now in the long term future with the chiefs, and at least for one more year with the with the chargers. So this is this is no easy task for John. Elway Vic Fangio in the staff and Leslie Denver, Chris will be the second day of the draft. When you think there should be three of the draft day to you have the second round pick in the third round pick after you get the tenth pick overall but on day three Kufour's to five or six and seven. So that's right there. Six players coming in on day. Three with two fours and two five. The Broncos need to hit on those picks. They got several holes and needed to be filled. I'll tell you one thing on the Denver Broncos to close it. I push Todd hard to get excited about the Denver Broncos. And he did. Okay. One thing. I do notice. I'm looking at the roster. And then I tend to forget, you know, I think quietly maybe the most underrated coaching move of the off season could have been the Denver Broncos zagging. Well, everybody else zigzag and hiring a defensive guy to coach maybe that doesn't maybe that's not so crazy when you gotta deal with Patrick Mahomes and Philip rivers and all those weapons four times a year. But Vic Fangio last year in Chicago going into that season. We thought maybe this defense could be something, you know. And then. You know? And then we'll see what happens if they can figure it out enough a quarterback with busy getting that development. That's kind of the conversation with with Denver, and they got some really dynamic pieces at least a couple of them on the defensive side of the ball. So so maybe Vic does what is in Chicago and turns us into a top five unit and in the Baltimore rifle can ride again, the Oakland Raiders. Oh, man. Mel Jon Gruden says at the combine we gotta get younger while he's not going to be able to help it because they got three ones you can obviously turn that into about five twos. If you ever wanted to obviously have the two I mean, he's got the assets here. I see that number four spot. I'm thinking given what they need given how much younger they need to get that could be a good spot to move down. If somebody wants to get into Dwayne Haskins or Kyla Murray conversation. What do you think? Well, it'll be interesting who is there. I think that will determine it. Because of Murray goes say one Haskins goes three. And that's an a trade up. Then you all of a sudden have some really good defensive player sitting there for the Oakland Raiders who need help. They need an edge guy. They've certainly need a corner safety wide receiver. Definitely I mean, they have a lot of areas where they need to address the make up for what they traded and MAC and Cooper, and they had the three ones two and a three then a four five six and two sevens from that point out. But I when you look at this team will depend upon how to quarterbacks jump into that top group. You're guaranteed at that point Allen Bosa Williams, that's only one so two of those defensive players would still be there for if in fact a quarterback go one in three which that's a big time. Look ahead right now. But if it did happen a big time defensive player's gonna be staring the Oakland Raiders right in the face. Why would they go three and not too? I just do the jets because the jets have been talked about maybe not having a lot of women jets. Jets would be thinking about maybe moving out of there. The jets team right now if you look at their draft. One not two to three to four five and a seven so recoup to get some extra pick for the jets. That's why did that. But no, you're right. I mean, they could. I was just curious right? I also the tricky part, and we're kind of getting away from. But the tricky part is if you're the cardinals or the forty Niners, and let's say the cardinals aren't gonna take just for a second hypothetical and you're going to either get both Conan Williams right now if you take Bosa the forty Niners are sitting there and Quinton Williams is the best player. But maybe Josh Allen is the better fit for what you need. But if I moved back to six or probably not seven because we we all think that Nick foles is going to be Jacksonville. But beyond their you're talking about eleven the Bengals thirteen dolphins. Fifteen Redskins, though, if you're in the top four, so even include the raiders in this conversation, but you're in the top four or five and teams are trying to get up ahead of the giants to go get a quarterback. It could be you could get a lot of compensation. Don't get me. Wrong. Teams have done it with Kansas City when they went from a homes teams have done it with Houston when they went up for Sean watch. In big big big moves. So I understand it because you get a lot of compensation, and it's probably worth it at the end of the day. But you gotta make a tough decision if you're staring Nick Bosa, and or Cornyn Williams and say, you know, what I'm gonna pass on this guy who I think is going to be an absolute stud for the next ten years and move back and get a guy that I really like and then a couple of other guys. So it's gonna be interesting to see the decision making from the top five teams in that regard, Oakland Raiders included. You know, we all we all know what Oakland has to do that. I mean, they I think they need to keep their picks. First of all, I think you keep all three picks. I if I'm Oakland the only way this thing is getting fixed is if Gruden believes Derek Carr, if not then we are totally you know, doing an overhaul here. And if you're gonna take one of the quarterbacks at four you've wasted the opportunity to put a player around their car. I I've never been the biggest Eric Carr fan. And I don't want to even get in the conversation about not worth to say. Let's. But if but if if you're being fair to him, you gotta give them a second year. I think in the system because he's had very little continuity. You're rip away the best pass rusher on the team. You're rip away his number one receiver. I think if you're going to rebuild you give him a chance to be part of it for a year. If he doesn't make progress which he did show a little bit of late and season, then you move on. But to rip their car outta here. Bringing a new quarterback. I mean, you're literally starting from scratch, and it doesn't make a ton of sense to me when if you think you have a solid starting quarterback. And you look at this, and you can get come away with Josh Allen and Ed rusher in the first round and then later on the picks twenty four and twenty seven go get a wide receiver and a cornerback. Now, all of a sudden, you have some pieces to the puzzle together with the quarterback I- I- moving on from car and going trying to get Cuyler Murray or Dwayne Haskins or one of these quarterbacks to me. Seems ridiculous at this point. Am my point would be Kyle Murray would be the one he's kind of the wild card that would interest Gruden if he were there. I don't think he will be. But I think when you look at their car this year's a right offered their their car Gruden comes in you got to rookie starting attack a one at which Colt Miller was banged up. Most of the year the interior was banged up. You straight away your CVS nothing. They're they're a car. Well, thrown out. He gets wrote down the field. He's got a strong arm. But you're not going to feel when you have no time to throw in the overseers. It can get down there. Anyway. So you'd think in donkey complete seventy percent of your passes, and you move onto the next year and hope that the town around you gets better. This was an MVP guy a few years ago, an MVP guy who got hurt or the Oakland Raiders would have been a factor in the playoffs. And yeah. So their car when he's healthy number one while he was MVP it when he had players around him when he was healthy. He was an MVP guy which you didn't as year. So I think for them surround. This guy was some players before you worry about scrutinizing their car. Kyla Murray would be the while if he were there, then you say is he an upgrade over we don't know. Oh that but John Leixoes kinda guys. But I think there are a car seems to be the guy they're moving forward with and then they make decisions on how they're gonna utilize those three picks, and they got feel. Hey, their cars young. We stay stole him in a second. Ironically, the guy that made those picks of Khalil Mack. A more Cooper, and Derek aren't even there. But there were three really good picks. Let's face facts here, they hit on MAC, they don't and they hit on car. Big time in the early. Second round is played like an early first round pick. So to me you have car then you pick up the other players that you need the receivers the line should be good next year. The tackles will be better Miller will be healthy the line. It'll be healthier that should be a better group defensively, they better address upfront linebacker and secondary. That's the areas as much as receiver that they need help. And they got these picks to do damage the three ones a two or three and then day to they got an extra seven or they three they have an extra seven so Gruden and may and the thing with John is tied and we'll get to the. You've been in there you John J he identifies fourth rounders and that are good player, but he takes a little earlier. So I think just settle on the value may ox gotta let him know the value. And where these guys should come off the board and not reach for guys in the second round that you can get in the fourth round. Man. You know, what I love about the combine is the questions after the combine get super nerdy. You know, some guys who's is Mark Fields guy. Oh, man. Four three seven. I'm going to ask Todd mcshay about him guys. Let's do rapid-fire. We've only got a few minutes here helicopter in the distance coming for Todd Todd didn't take this at Boris ass. Mikkel hardman does he have the potential to be as good sleeper wide receiver of value version of marquees Brown? You know, he's attract guy, and we we knew he was going to who's going to wind up earning. Well, came out at five ten in a little change hundred and eighty seven pounds ran a four three three one of the faster times really of anyone at the combine. And of course, the wide receivers had a thirty six inch vertical. Didn't do the shuttle. So I on tape. I think he's he's got potential. He's I think you've kind of identifying what he's going to be a slot receiver with some vertical ability. I think he he can be a better player. He can continue to develop. I think of the of the Georgia receivers, he's got the most upside, I think when you look at Ridley he's he just doesn't have the speed and explosiveness. He's a good wrote runner. He's pretty tough. I thought on tape. He cut the ball out. He didn't at the combine you actually had a real tough week Godwin's the other one that it was just to me a late rounder. Tear Terry Godwin coming out of Georgia five eleven one eighty four you know, average average speed and number. Across the board. So he of the Georgia receivers, I think he's the has the upside over the other two that was a very Kuyper answer you Todd. I asked you about one sleeper and you also rattled off like two or three. After being told to go rapid fire to he's really getting good here. This is perfect for Mel kiper at up. Ravens wonder who he roots for ass of the ravens better off selecting an interior offense alignment dude lists like nine of them then fi than finding a scheme fit playmaker. Like a Paris Campbell Mykola hardman again or Justice hill, Andy Isabella, what do you think? Oh, well, you're talking about a pick that twenty two. I mean, a wide receiver is definitely a neat area. As is a I think a running back. So I think Josh Jacobs had to be in play with a way he can run catching block for Lamar Jackson. I think that will be something. It's vital in there. I mean Gus Edwards gave him a lot as guy undrafted out or form of Miami. The hurricanes goes the Rutgers comes in as an undrafted free agent gave him a lot Alex Collins gone. So I think you look at running back like Jacobs and a wide receiver deathly if a marquee Browner is there at twenty two even though you know, you think about the injury concern. And and the size concern. But at twenty two I think he would have to be in place. I think helping out Lamar Jackson year to be at a running back or a receiver with. I think something the ravens would have to consider at that point Paul McMorris asked. Would you take Fant or Hopkinson if you needed a title and just just erase speck of how do you stack them? I would take Hopkinson. I know there's a difference in speed and a little bit of athleticism. I think play playing wise you just get a much more complete player and Hopkinson he can be in line you can flex him out. He's a bore consistent route runner. He's a more consistent pass catcher in terms of reliability with his hands. And while he doesn't have that that top end speed that we saw from from fan, which was really impressive. Don't get me wrong. I mean, there's certainly something intriguing about having a wide receiver that can run a four five flat. Tight end that looks like a wide receiver runs a four five flat. And the numbers he put up, but to me Hopkinson is just a more complete player. And I'm I'm not turned off by the four seven as much as other people seem to be. Let's get real of these times, you know, four or five five, but who is the best football player would back Erz run. When he came out of Stanford it that similar size four six eight would TJ Hopkinson run for seven. What's the difference? Nothing. So to me Hopkins one hundred miles an hour, everything he does type of player. To me TJ Hopkinson is in that. I'd say probably no later than the mid first round area. But I love the way he goes about his business. He's he's tough hard nose high effort player. All right. Mel another another somebody who watched the combine. And now we're seeing a new a new list of questions just Hanson ask how did Stanley Morgan the husker perform in relation to your expectations. He's got an opportunity anywhere. It's interesting Todd, and I were watching Stanley and talking a little bit about Stanley Morgan when we were there for that. And I thought he showed some flags with Todd wasn't as high. He's day three pick probably day threes the fourth round, but I was a little bit higher on Morgan. But there are other receivers passed him by but I'll tell you the running back. They're Divino zig. Bo is a guy to keep an eye on his well, I don't even think it was at the combine, what's he does know. No divider was can play. He runs hard. He's got a. Burst. Again, there were some guys that weren't at the combine Khalil Hajjah linebacker buffalo. Your boy, penny heart, right? What the hell was with that. I don't know. Here's a third round by eight on the. Yeah. I don't get penny any Isabella and penny heart. What's separating the two travel? I I don't know. Yeah. I mean a penny. Heart is going to go day to probably at worst early. Georgia state slot received who had a great senior bowl week. Okay channel. And didn't have the game. The game is a bell outplayed heart because he had opportunities. And he did a really good job. Got the raiders when the helmet, but to me, I look at Divino zig. Bo running back, Nebraska, we're so than he was Stanley Morgan. He's a guy that I would want on my team as a running back. You can steal probably in the fifth sixth seventh around. All right. So I can so I can hear hear you say his name five certain as you just bring off your out of your mouth caper. Don't last last question real quick. We'll get out get one one name one or two names a piece a multiple questions on this. But small school prospect that stood out to you just another guy a name most people haven't heard that went to the combine and showed up. We got mill. I'll go Corey Ballantyne from Washburn I liked them during the year. He ran on thinking four four seven. He's got good size. He held up at the senior bowl practice fairly well of we're coming from Washburn didn't seem like he was overwhelmed there he can play. And he's got versatility on special teams. I would say Corey Ballantyne from Washburn as a guy that I think has held his own more than held his own during the draft process. And I would think early day three would be a nice pick. What about Utah? I'm trying to think that there was a tight end that I liked. The San Jose State kid had a really good week. There's a couple there's a question. I got one sent to me. And then there's one about scale warring in the Brown Keenan Brown. Keenan Brown to me was a guy who stood out his numbers weren't great. But he caught the ball well with really athletic did a great job in the the gauntlet drill. We watch the titans together mail. You remember, Texas State guy? So is six two and a half to fifty along. Average speed. He does have long arms caught the ball. Extremely well. He just for someone you could probably get six seventh round. He he intrigued me a little bit. I think we just did a full hour podcast after the combine. And that was the first time I had down Nelson long arms which shows which show some growth and decay Metcalf was almost thirty five inches. I didn't even bring that up. I didn't want us to get gone that road guys. I think we I think we got through about one hundred names here ballpark. Yeah. And we wait we can't wait for tomorrow. Because Todd unveils mach three point zero after the combine prior to free agency really doing TV all day mcshea zone from seven AM to ten PM tomorrow night. That's when everything every show every every platform, and I cannot wait for dot. I finished the patriots pick. It's thirty two at two twenty nine PM eastern time, which was one minute before we came on this podcast, LA. So it is locked in. I'm going to go to the gym. I'm gonna work out. I'm gonna I'm gonna breathe a lot today. So I. In deal with you tomorrow. Go be with my kids tonight. And I'm going to wake up at six in the morning head to the studio, and we're just gonna we're going to fund all day long. I like him because tomorrow night at like eight Todd is going to be like four diet cokes to take fives a rice Krispy tree and just hates lice wedding sitting in the studio. Us is exciting. All right, guys. That was the combine recap. We'll do it again next week. No, Mark talk this week. We'll let TV just ruined. 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Mel Kiper Jr.

First Draft

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Mel Kiper Jr.

"Everybody live from Los Angeles. Although I've been traveling a bit, and it's nice to be home for the while and travel again won't be back east. I don't know I'm supposed to be back at some point. The talk was that I was going to be coming back in April Cerruti. So what's going on, Dan Pelzer? Why don't think they're gonna want me on get up after Greenies horrible hardens the MVP and not to say that harden isn't the MVP. I think we should do this the beginning. Here's the thing. Greenies take was that harden is the MVP, and it should not be debated, which breaking your one of your main rules like whenever you say. It's not close than I don't take your arguments series. Yeah. And that's the thing is whenever anybody says, it's this and it's not even close. It's almost always close. You know? Yeah. I think Janas the MVP that tells you everything you need to know. I can make an argument for both. And it's so in my head. It's kinda like when canal said that. The big ten west was the best division in college football. And it's not even close. You're like what what do you mean? It's not even close. It can be debated know what everyone's doing. What do you mean? No. That's a no Dante said it's now, so we can't we no longer debatable. Right. By the way, big ten east. I'm an idiot tie was ever since legends and leaders. I always screw it up. Or let's read an ad. I love the Dollar Shave Club has everything I need to look and feel and smell my best. What I love even more of the fact, I never have to go to a store. That's because one dollarshaveclub delivers everything I need right to my door and two they keep me. Fully stocked on what I use. So I don't run out. Here's how it works dollarshaveclub has everything you need to get ready. No matter what you're getting ready for. They have you covered head to toe for your hair your skin your face. You name it they have. 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We're doing milk, hyper junior for about a half hour. Talk draft. His first round mock is up on ESPN dot com. We also are going to do the first installment of our life coach series with Frank from Arkansas, and he sent in a doozy of an Email. But I'm not sure how much help he really wants. So mysterious right. I think it'll be alright I don't know people are going to like the content or not. But every time we do it. We'll do it at the back end of the podcast. Look, we know people are going to like it. We also know that people are gonna go. You know, this is stupid. Stick to sports, real simple. You don't have to listen to that part of it. We appreciate if you did. But we'll see we put at the end if you if you enjoy that kind of thing, which I think most of the listeners, then hang on if not just listen, okay? Yeah. Right. We'll get through it before we do any of that stuff. Yeah. The I could go rapid fire stuff the Janas hardened thing. I feel like harden carried a team through a brutal stretch when they had all these injuries. And now the record overall is good as almost anybody Jaanus. If you did the thirty six, it's more impressive. But then isn't that the whole point that if harden is playing all these minutes and doing all these things, then why are you going to reward honest playing less minutes? Danis's had probably steadier teammates. Even though Chris Paul should be on paper better than anybody. That's on the Milwaukee Bucks. But Bledsoe has been really good. We could go to the head to head thing. That's stupid. It doesn't mean anything although it felt like after heart and had sixty one this weekend. And everybody's like now, it's hard. And I am so. Self dome. Ing myself with the in my own head about this argument. I've changed my mind million times the hard thing for me to get past is the two way player part of it in that Jaanus. He's not gonna win defensive player of the year. So when people do the cookie win MVP and defensive player of the year, and how rare that is extremely rare. But there's just still like three better options. I think than him. But he's in that conversation harden, isn't so what am I really doing? So those are the days where I feel like it's Jaanus. But then I have days where I go on my not voting for harden because I've emitted how annoyed I can be by the game that he plays despite also being amazed. So then what I vote for harden because I don't want to be guilty of feeling like, I'm biased towards heart. And here's a deal vote. Somebody has to worry about it. Anyway. But it is an extreme. It's debatable as any top. But it is worthy of debate is any single sports topic of the last year. So to argue your side that the other guy isn't even worthy of conversation means. You've eliminated yourself from the topic. Sorry, greenie who is a friend. But it's also the job to you know, you got to come out and say something that's gonna catch people's ear. And I and I see a tweet click on this, right? If I were TV show, which is again, one of my things they'd be like, which I do you want to argue either one. I'm still not sure. Oh, great. We got you booked. So I was a little magic minute. 'cause you're salty little magic fan last night. And boy did things turn around. Yeah. I mean, it was it was probably the biggest game of their season. Because if they lose that game their game and a half out of the playoffs, and they obviously want it. So there half game up at eight right now. And they they go down seventeen early. They couldn't hit a shot. Miami was hitting everything. And I don't think that Miami team is good at all. I feel like they have a lot of the same guy. They actually they also have three guys that are like I team all bad hair. It's just confusing Rosser to begin with, but magical came back. They were awesome in the third quarter. Just like they were the night before and Philly and they're the right now. And I'm, you know, listen, I I think they've won the last six games. I said on the pod, then everyone laughed at me that they're going to be annoying. They're going to be annoying out. They get the eight seat if they beat they play the pistons what I think on Thursday, if they beat the pistons of the seven seeds, they could be climbing up here. And I'm just saying I'm just saying it could be annoying out in the first round the playoffs. Having said that. Probably not miss the playoffs. I just jinxed. It. They should make the playoffs. They sent you. Did you go over the schedule? They had these schedule they play the pistons necks Miami has Boston back to back. So Boston decide that they want to be good that could be a problem. But I don't know though. I mean, I don't know at. Yeah. Kyri sat the Cleveland game. So that means you're probably getting him for both of those. Here's the weird thing is that as much as I've been down on Boston and everything I still don't think the Pacers. If you look at who the Pacers of beaten, and it looks like on paper the okay see when is good win. But the thunder are a mess a mess a few weeks like all of a sudden like wait a minute. I think I have to look at Houston's a team and I'm sorry Denver. But I look at Houston now is kind of the most challenging team to the wars. And that certainly didn't feel the way at least halfway through the season. But with Milwaukee's injuries. I'm going, well, wait a minute. What's going to happen here? Is it going to be? We'll Philly beat Toronto. And could Boston beat Milwaukee after they beat the Pacers that doesn't and then I still might not think Boston's any good because it'll be the Pacers in Milwaukee team. Now of Janas is good as we think he is he probably should be able to carry Milwaukee against a Boston team. That's been you know, I hate to be quick to judge these things. But I don't know what it's like seventy five games. It really frustrating basketball. And I'm still not sure you are. I think that's enough evidence. But again, I've been called too quick to judge that they're just going to turn on switch the playoffs. All I know is that this is way better. This is so much more entertaining the excitement the uncertainty in the east have had a long time. The east is east playoffs. Make are going to be awesome. Put that on shirt east is off at worthy his back boasted twenty years where that'd be great. You should do that as a fake tease or just sell that sell that too? Will today to be like we do a segment where it's is the east back. So much. You should please do that. I really liked the Seth Greenberg segment that you did with over because whenever any of us that are really really outside of a world in. I understand the college football world better than college basketball world that was it was one of those things. Go kay. What are the best destination jobs? What are these guys that are really in? And especially like, Seth coaches the long as he did a he knows which AD's which butchers which facilities which pipeline recruiting thing where where are the places where it works. Will did what he put together his five worst. Yeah. Takahashi top-five worse. College basketball programs to build a winner at. And so what did he have is the worst? He had Nebraska north western Washington state Penn State Rutgers, and that order he really was down on Penn State. And I'm not I was down on Penn State thought Penn State should have been number one in like flying away. Because my argument would be it's it's a obviously dominant castle powder tunnel heads, you know, who who are the redhead Hooper's named name one. Well. Honestly, Kevin her e Klay Thompson light. I forgot excuse me. I'm sorry. Best twelve year old I've ever seen. He is. He is great. Have you seen the celebrations lately? Nah. I can't. I can't say I have. And I watch the tunnel. Hawks games to be honest with you. I'm confused about this trae young for rookie to your thing that could be a discussion for today. Well, no, I went through every one of the numbers and didn't dancers shooting has been so bad, and he had a tough go of it. I watched them close that game Sacramento lose last night. He the trae young Donncha rookie year debate is a real debate to it's totally in that seemed you go the first couple months of the season to say, you know, what as we're closing out March. You may be undecided on who rookie of the year is between dodging trae young that seemed impossible. So anyway, that segment was good. But what I was really surprised as I watched some of the college basketball guys on TV this morning. I need you guys to be better about who is. And who isn't because when I'm not watching them all season long, and then I start cranking it up the last month or so I kept saying to myself, wait a minute. They can't. Shoot. And Barrett hasn't been as good reddish disappears. The point guard is a non offensive player. They have no bench. They have no shooters. So to see them struggle in a second round match against UCF when everybody's there the money that is a classic example of the public and getting to the party late and Duke has I on back and Vegas setting the number to deal with all the money. They're going to take on from all the guys just show up. Like, I'm going to bet Duke because dukes awesome. They're not an awesome basketball team. I guess they could still win this whole thing. But to see them chat. Like, I've hearing college basketball guys go they can't shoot where were you? Where were you the whole time when they they're terrible that way, so as great as I on is and he's so much fun. And he's also rising to the occasion which to consistently. Do it the way he's done it to close out the ACC tournament and to do it and that second round matchup like I just love those guys. Like, yes, I'm the best. But I'm also going to be I don't know really good in a close game. And show that I am totally unfazed by all the stuff that part of it makes me like him a lot. But I guess I'm looking at some of the college basketball guys going why were you all picking Duke when dukes flaws were there the entire time? Like where you not watching certain stretches like I wasn't watching when I was watching all NBA games. So anyway, little college basketball for on Wednesday. What else do we need to do? Let's talk to. Mel did you know that the average interest rate on credit card debt is over eighteen percent APR? Have you looked at your interest rate today? Now, here's the deal. I got in a little bit of financial trouble. When I was younger. Not major nothing. Illegal. Just wasn't great with stuff the grownup stuff. And you start looking at these APR's, and you just want to ignore it, really. And one's going to go away. Well, it doesn't go away. There's no magic fairy. 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That's light stream dot com slash L. G H T S T R E, AM dot com slash Sillo. Subject to credit approval rate includes a point five zero auto pay discount. Terms and conditions apply and offers are subject to change without notice. Visit lights dream dot com slash for for more information Mel longtime in really really happy to get this chance to talk and drafty. So let's get to it. When I think about quarterbacks over the years. I know how hard it is it's hard. Whether it's me, whether it's you whether it's the guys that are running these teams. But how have you kind of changed the way you've evaluated position seeing the rule seem to be different? Now. Even if it still is challenging yet really is hard Ryan. And it's great to be with you. I think you look at the quarterbacks now almost call some of these guys wildcards I did with Mayfield did with Manziel. I'm doing it with Cuyler Murray because there's different yet to evaluate them differently. And change, your whole mindset. As the how you used to back in the day of quarterbacks delivers change the rules of change. Everything's chains. You can't think old school. We can't think seventies eighties nineties even the early to mid two thousand you can't think that way. So now, you gotta think two thousand nineteen it's James changing every year. And I think for Cuyler Murray and some of these quarterbacks now different entity you gotta adjust a Russell Wilson. I think may Marie a lot of money. I think the perfect storm of cliff Kingsbury being the coach made him the number one pick and obviously hurt the Oakland Athletics. And Billy bean ends up losing that top ten pick in baseball with nothing in compensation coming back. But that was the risks they took. But in terms of Kyle Murray. Kyle Murray types are coming along Ryan every year other five years, he's he's unique. But I think the league has allowed a five ten quarterback now to have you not only the first round pick. But the number one pick overall, which is pretty amazing. What scares you about his game? Nothing nothing. I said about three months ago, he was six foot tall or five eleven he'd have been the number one pick guarantee. This is before Kingsbury. Okay. So once Kingsbury became the coach figure once he was five ten not five nine five eight and three quarters, you figured, okay? He's he's got a pretty real pretty maybe fifty sixty percent chance of being the number one pick. Now looks like it's ninety five percent. So again, nothing gets Josh Rosen. But they have to assess is do I want Tyler Murray to run this offense, which isn't gonna put an emphasis on max protection. The if you think back these college coaches Ryan, they don't respect protection because in college you get away with that one guy to really worry about. Okay. So you can you don't have to worry about max protecting in the NFL. It's all about that. And I think they don't adjust quick enough. And if you're cliff Kingsbury, you need that mobile quarterback that offense align was horrible s year. Anyway, it's going to get a little better. But it's not going to be great. So he has a choice. He's got the number one pick. Do you feel that cliff? Kingsbury? Do you feel that Tyler Murray's your guy or Josh Rosen? Sure you inherited that you didn't have anything to do with drafting. And I gotta believe Tyler Maries has guy. Trae Josh Rosen for a first round pick or early to mid second round, pick, whatever you can get be happy with it and move on. So if you say what scares me with Murray five ten five ten and a half, which Russell Wilson was half inch three quarters inches that can determine anything. No cuyler. I don't think baseball's a fallback plan. I think he's all in on football. It was the concern is he gonna just give it a shot for three years goes. But baseball could be four years just getting out of the minor leagues. I don't think you want to go that route. So I think he's all in on football. Which was the only concern Ryan anybody had once they knew that. And you're okay with the five ten being suited for today's. NFL perfectly than everything else. From a mechanical standpoint being able to make any throw you want throw from the pocket. Todd mcshay Todd had this great stat where quarterbacks over six feet tall or six one four passes batted down than the quarterbacks that are six one six foot or shorter. So you Joe flacco six it's a lot of passes batted down. So you're thrown through lanes, and it's instinctive thing, and it's an arm angles. And he does all that. So again, no, I think he's the perfect storm arrived for for cliff teens berry and Cuyler Murray to come together. And have that number one pick five ten quarterback is funny about the height thing. What's finally came out? And then you go. Okay. This is this is possible and the Batu down passing. I remember that being one of the first things bielema told me about Russell Wilson is like we go back, and we look at him like the guy never got any balls down. Just didn't he just understood throwing lanes better? And I don't know if that's a baseball thing or just a, hey, I've had to adapt. My approach my whole life. So I'm more prepared to throw with with these kinds of challenge. But when he waited two seven that actually really surprised me because sometimes baseball guys, it's hard tell how heavy they are. Because they're so thick like just hardcore baseball guys Russ has that to their legs and their thought is in their bought and everything is like really thick because that's where the power comes from. When he was at two seven. I look at some of those pictures, I go, he must've trank so much. Loaded up on bass and water to to get that may not even matter. And it's not like he was wanted five and head twenty two pounds on them. That was fake. But that was that actually ended up surprising me more about all this stuff. But watching him play and watching how this league is adapted and everything it doesn't I five years ago, we probably would've collectively on. I don't know. I've talked to pro scouts that have said Oklahoma is doing something that's a little different down there. And these guys are better prepared for it. So Lincoln Riley deserves of credit for that. So it just whatever it is all these combining factors. It's just I think all those kind of getting caught up to date with what's happening now. And I don't know the only thing I have hesitated about is could really be this obvious by organization that almost two months out. We just thought they were taking this guy, and they'll Rosen's there. Yeah. And go back to your point about Russell Wilson. Think about seven years ago. He was a third round pick. And here we are fast forward today. We're talking about the number one pick being shorter than Russell Wilson. And we were saying Russell Wilson. I said that. He's the test case if he doesn't work out and become a successful starting quarterback and a winning starting quarterback. Then it's going to hurt quarterbacks that are five eleven five ten whatever under six feet tall. If he does have success at five ten and a half. I've ten and three quarters going to open the door for quarterback center of that height. Now to have a chance to be a higher pick. I never would have ever thought higher than the second round. Not first round let alone the number one pick overall. So again, the body type is at the same. As Russell Wilson though. Michael vick. No at surprising. I thought he'd come in at one ninety five one ninety eight and maybe he can only maintain that. We don't know if they'll maintain to five to seven through an NFL season. We don't know that like I said they drink a lot of water and some of those weights are are manufactured and then once the season begins and you get into Tober November. And it's a long FLC's down, whatever. But we'll say, but it's not gonna affect where he goes like say cliff Kingsbury to me if you have a choice and your raven about Kyle. Got them. You want him? You got him. And Josh Rosen your trade. I gotta believe the Redskins. I gotta believe Miami. New England somebody is going to be willing to their first or early second round pick for Josh Rosen. Yeah. I would think so I mean, it's just the competing teams. And how many questions we have run elite quarterback? Now, it's it's a small number. But I don't know man that would maybe be holding out hope for him still figuring it out and not having to get his bucket behind that offensive line. All right. Let's talk about the other two quarterbacks here quickly. Then can you? You have Haskins and latest mock draft up for Mel now on ESPN dot com. You've going six to the giants. And then you have let me just get there through your lock going missing thirteen. Right. Can you talk yourself into an ending where any of the three or the best of this class? I think Murray would be the wildcard and he's a separate entity. So I don't really ranked him with the other guys and then Haskins would be number one of the traditional guys which lock is. Daniel Jones will be third for manic. Todd has Ryan Finley third after if you just take out kinda Marie make him a separate entity. As unique say wildcard, I think when you look at Wayne Haskins. I would give him the edge even though he's a one year star. Plus that Michigan game when he came in the previous year. Got like everything you say he dealt with adversity at Penn State when they were down twenty six fourteen with six fifty five to go and had two touchdown passes. The win that game. He still has some things to work on as a one year starter. And I think he will. He's a great kid. He loves the play the position he felt like he was built to be an NFL quarterback and everything he does thinking about how I'm going to be a better and great NFL quarterback work ethic. Is there the respect of the teammates? Is there coaching staff and the system all conducive to success translate into the NFL? The giants. That's what it is. It gets down to do. They feel. He's a franchise quarterback. They didn't was Sam darnold. Josh Allen lashed here. And I think they made a mistake there even love saquon Barkley. But in a plan went awry when everything didn't work they were trying to build around ally. So now you're gonna pass on a quarterback for the second straight year. And I don't have a problem if they do Ryan because they have to assess gentleman does is Haskins franchise if they don't think he is. And they think there's another franchise quarterback other than Wayne Haskins and Kyle Murray and their strapped of its drew lock that STAN Jones of its will Greer West Virginia. Ryan, Finley NC state, whoever it may be if they feel they have a guy that they don't have to use that six pick on the get then go ahead and do it. It's brought up yesterday when several times about Bill Parcells gotten little cute, but he did it because he thought he was doing the right thing. Obviously when he passed on that Ryan to take Jake long, the offensive tackle, then took Chad Henny in the second round quarterback out of Michigan. It didn't work. Matt Ryan, really good NFL quarterback. Standing Chad Hannie a bust. So again, you can get a little cute here over think it, but it gets down to and that's what the giants have to figure. Kingsbury does do. I want Murray or Rosen easy. They're easy. Make the pick. Here you have to side is Haskins. Or is it somebody else? And somebody else you know, that I can probably get him at seventeen or Trey down and still get him. So you might think there's a guy. But what if he's gone? So again, they have to get this. Right. They didn't get it right last year passed onto quarterbacks. Look like they're going to be really really good in the NFL out of the great running back, which is fine. But now they gotta get the quarterback. He said Gettleman did that his formula is going to be copied after the chiefs model of the veteran for a year rookie sits in red shirts. Which is what John Dorsey really wanted to do in Cleveland. That's why gave up the first pick a third round get tyrod Taylor thinking, I'll sit Baker for a year like they did with Mahomes and Alex Smith while that went awry early and Baker got in there and the rest is history. So your best. Late plant sometimes Ryan's. But I think they're planning with the giants to do that. If you're gonna do that, you do it this year and you draft a quarterback that you feel as franchise, and you feel is going to be a really good air parent you lie manning. I wanna talk about as you mentioned that giants pick their at seventeen they from Cleveland. There's a bunch of players that I feel like that are in this first round that you have that maybe a year or so ago, we thought were guys had chance to be in the top ten not necessarily the entire de line for Clemson be have Wilkins feral. You haven't going sixteen Christian won't consent. Tina Johnson decks, Lawrence the other tackle their nineteenth. Tennessee did something happen with them collectively. Or one of them were none of them ended up being in the in the top ten here. Because I think they at least maybe Wilkins was talked about being that kind of guy two years ago. He still well, maybe there's a lot of mixed opinion on Christian Wilkins. He's very versatile. He obviously he gets gets the coverage hurries and sacks. He hustles. He is going to be spectate. You know, what kind of players going to be with that versatility? Where's he best suited? How does he fit in best? He could go top ten because I said there are some that feel he is worthy of being up that high. I just think after all said and done he may be a mid first rounder Lawrence didn't play at the end of the year. But I am against bit in that championship game. Really get the job done and play at a high level. We knew a freshman when he was healthy. How good he was and is capable of being. So just jump in. We him not playing at the end though, I've in NFL circles that doesn't really bother people as much as maybe it was a story right now. It didn't bother anybody. I think would bothers people is the fact that he's a three hundred and forty two Pounder that can be limited in terms of Pash rush. We saw it with to Alabama kids when Shawn Robinson. Sharon Reed were projected ones drop to the second these defensive tackles at back ten twelve fifteen years ago would have been really high. Now, if you can't rush the passer, then you're not going to go with high. And I think that's what they have to decide. They're what kind of pass rusher how much disruption will you? Get from these guys like Wilkins and Lawrence even feral for that matter with his wingspan and his length people say he destroyed Jona Williams in that game. He didn't destroy Jona Williams. I went back and watched three times Ryan, and it was one play. Where embarrassing we're got off balance put him on the ground other than that, he came blocked in the one time Joan of he was on blocked other than that Jones did a pretty good job at left tackle, which is not going to play in the NFL Joan is going to be a right tackle or guard. So for feral, I think it'll be a good player. I have Carolina taking him as the as replacement for Julius peppers. They need that type of player. That's kind of been a steady mock for for Carolina taking Ferral, but Wilkins's the one that say one of the three and Lawrence's kind of physical freak run my five flat five oh five three hundred forty pounds that unique talent. But I would say Wilkins is the one great character play went back to win a championship. And he did it has scheme versatility. I would say Christian welcomes I had a roll the dice whole one. It could go higher than where I have them right now. It will be. Wilkins. There's another name in there too that I think falls into this at all of our out of Houston. We knew about him coming in big time as a freshman. His year seemed to be disappointing for different reasons. I know the injuries and then the back and forth there. I don't know. Really? What's real? Or what isn't what are you hearing from teams in their concerns about him for? I look he's still mid first round here. But I guess I felt like there was a bunch of names that I was going through your mock. Mel where I go. Wow. That's right. This guy's drop. This guy's drop. Maybe just an extra year tape. But I think for Oliver there's more combination of factors there three things. I think are in play with that Oliver to eighty seven I talked to some GM's mid season. They were saying, well, he's going to be two seventy two and he's not going to be to ninety two eighty five to seventy two seventy five to eighty seven again like McCollum, our can you maintain that weight through the process that will be his days tomorrow, actually, and it'll be running run at the combine. Tested out. Great athletically, tremendous, upper body strength suppose, the run two four seven range, which would be outstanding that Oliver's talent at Oliver. I talk about member you always back in the day. Ryan, you remember senior Itis when the guy would be in the sender and say is getting ready for the draft. Yeah. You already had those great years. And now he's going to get hurt. And he kinda like pulling back a bit kind of senior right now you've got of third year sophomore at his fourth year junior. Whatever you wanna call what they're thinking about the NFL that year, and I think for that team. And then what happened with the Jack of the coat and all that with the coach bottom line is that Oliver that the not, and that's not gonna affect them not being closer finisher getting hurries and getting disruptive plays not getting the sack numbers that guy. Like Aaron Donald did is a factor as well. But he's a talented kid. He's a gifted athlete, and I think for Atlanta wants those guys who are those penetrators upfield guys next to Grady Jarrett. I think you could see Oliver be amid first rounder. Okay. This this class for playmakers here appears to be more about tight ends not so much wide receivers and ultimately Jacobs running back on in the first round here album. Is this a bad overall class for let's just call the fantasy positions. No. It's a really good. It's a bad first around class. And I say that because you have Josh Jacobs. Maybe as a first round or going to Oakland. Philadelphia could be in play there as well have one pick ahead of the eagles running back from Alabama Damian Harris, something could be a I I'm thinking more second round pick John Jacobsz teammate at Alabama Damian Harris and a lot of second third round running backs like David Montgomery, Iowa State mile Sanders. Penn State, Devon single Terry's. Good back at Florida Atlantic around four six six that hurt him a little bit Justice hill, ran graded Oklahoma state. He's probably third fourth round guy and there's Reich. Well, Armstead underrated at temple and Bryce love. Stanford got hurt. As did Rodney Anderson, Oklahoma. They're good backs when or healthy or hurt. So we'll see where they fall. But it's a real good second the fourth round running back group and a really good second fourth round wide receiver group. I think only two receivers at the most three. So in the first round, and I think Terry MacLaurin, Ohio State is a fast riser. I think right. None of that happened, by the way MacLaurin I feel like no one talked about him all year long. Well, it's a lot of big plays. He's a vertical stretch guy. Take the top off of defense guy. He was consistent catching the ball. Had a great senior bowl week ran phenomenal. He's four three four three five guy. He's solidly built he is a proven entity who went an offense that translates to the NFL and all of a sudden now when you're looking for that sleeper guy for the late. I I put him in there. And then Louis Riddick agreed. When we talked to Lewis this week. I was talking to he. Hey mclaren. Mel he's getting his name's coming up a lot. And then I checked McLaren's name is right there. It's kind of people aren't they don't want to mention too much, which is a thing that you think he's going to go. So I think Terry McLaren's rising. I think another guy that is going to be interesting to see if they roll the dice in the late. I ran as miles boykin from Notre Dame physically gifted athletically, gifted, I'm a Notre Dame guy. Ryan washed them every play. He still has some things to work on. He's got to become a little more physical and take advantage of that power forward that he should be. And I think he'll maybe develops that in the NFL maybe doesn't that? I think will determine how good he is. But somebody may roll the dice and miles boykin late first round. But I think there's a host of second third fourth round receivers that are a chance to be pretty good. I was talking with somebody the other day. And it was it was it's an NFL guy. And it was. Me admitting that, you know, this is the sport that I don't understand is as well as basketball because there's stuff that happens. It'll feel I still don't understand. But one of the things I'm always impressed with is that Bella check just goes. Okay. Well, this is the way the league is going. We'll go ahead and do this. And if this is the opponent this week. I've just never understood how one guy can seem to adapt more week to week than anything that I've ever seen and one of the points. That was being made to me was that, you know, one of the great things that he did was when there was a change defensively. What teams are doing? He's like, okay. Let's go with the two tight ends. Like, I'm gonna go to tight end sets all the time. One guy can block one guy can get into the slot and Hernandez, and that's that's how I'm gonna protest. And then it was just slot guy year after year after year. Let me get a guy who gets off the line of scrimmage because the way it's called. Now, he can get free free releases all that kind of stuff when you have somebody like Noah fan, the tight end Iowa who I think is described Moore somebody that you can you can line up all over the field as opposed that traditional tight end is he become more valuable today's. Game in that slot getting free knowing that he's going to dominate most of those matchups in just being outlet at times for any kind of quarterback. I know you haven't going thirty to the Packers here, but his his skillset become more valuable today's NFL it does. And it doesn't. There's some people. And I set up so well, does it does certainly service four or five speed through hundred and forty nine pounds six four frame looks the part when you watch him at the combine Todd, and I were are watching them workout cement. He looks good. But you know, what I wanna see with with no fan is more assertiveness. I guess is the word just go out there and take over and had that attitude that hey, I'm the guy out there. Like, you really you're passionate about the game. And you just want to be the guy and teach Hopkinson took that role away from him this year. Okay. And who did the quarterback Nathan Stanley Goto? He went to jail Hopkinson at ten more receptions Fant for as fast as fan is four five Hopkins. Four seven Fant average thirteen three a catch Hopkinson was fifteen five catch now for Noah Fant there were some drops during his career blocking is going to be something. He needs to step up there. He's a guy that should have been kept saying all year when I was watching Iowa he should catch outta targeted him Ryan to your. Point. I would have targeted him seven eight nine ten times a game. I would have made sure he got five six seven catches a game. I'm looking not many targets to three catches Hopkinson. What's going on here? Something's not right. When a guy is that skilled playing where you don't see five star recruits coming in there every year, and he's not being the future guy. What's missing here? What am I missing what's going on here? And all of a sudden now Hopkinson stole that role away from from though a fan, then you think about okay. Well, you know, you look at where's he going to be in terms of the draft. And I kept calling around a mock draft aren't about what I think they're about with the league's going to do. And I kept hearing surprise me when early second borderline first fringe, I think okay, I'm I'm thinking did. I will maybe I'll push him the Green Bay with Aaron Rodgers and eating a weapon and one thing for no offense. You have to also appreciate despite the fact that he didn't have the main role Hopkinson did he had eighteen touchdown receptions over the last two years? It's pretty red zone threat. He is he's a talented kid. He should fit today's NFL perfectly and for the Green Bay Packers more. So than New England. I thought it'd be a nice fit for their for Aaron Rodgers. That's why gave him the Green Bay. But he's he's one of those 'nigma 's as Shaan Jerry is kind of Jona Williams's. I think there's a lot of guys drew lock quarterback, Missouri. And enigma who's kind of polarizing a little bit shine dairies most polarizing player in this rat draft the defensive end for Michigan. So there's a lot of those guys Ryan would say mixed opinion on that are very hard to figure what kind of pro they're going to become. I'm glad you brought overshot Gary because all the Michigan games that I've watched I felt like I noticed him as much as anybody could say that about Devin Bush to linebacker, but the numbers, you know, Saks can be incredibly misleading. But when it's ten and a half over career for Gerry is this just really impressive. You still haven't gone on a top. There's times I'm like, this guy's a stud. And then I don't know. I wonder why there wasn't a little bit more production. Even though I understand that a lot of this stuff can be misleading. Well, they say was scheme. Okay. Turn him loose and all of a sudden two hundred and seventy seven pounds six foot four with really long arms and tremendous four five eight speak, right? Upper body strength phenomenally, gifted athlete, number one player coming out of high school at any position. All these things. Add up to resign. Gary panic Ida you're gonna say when you turn on a Michigan gain. Who's going to be the guy that's be wreaking havoc these against college players Ryan most of which are not going to be in the NFL most. What's Rashawn Gary should be dominating care? If you're double teams should dominate them. Saw Quinton Williams destroy double teams boasted in care. You see great players, I even worrying about these college. Get some say majority aren't going to be in the NFL, what ain't gonna close NFL situation yet. He had ten sacks and thirty four games both at seventeen and twenty nine. Rashawn Gerry is a guy who somebody's gonna roll the dice on all of a sudden the NFL against the best tackles guards in the world. He's going to all of a sudden be better there than he wasn't college against guys weren't at times. Very good. Okay. And he should be dominating. When I turned on Michigan. I saw a win of it making plays not gonna last acts. But getting in that backfield force quarterbacks a step up and move out of the pocket. It was one of it. Not Gary doing that that Bush was flying all over making tackle. Doing things but winning which was the guy affecting the quarterback at his spot. Moving him off his spot. It wasn't Rashawn Gary. That's why he's to me and 'nigma. He's a guy who's boomer bust. All the cliche terms. Ryan. Okay. Roll the dice guy. All those things you wanted to say, that's Rashawn Gerry. And I think from a quarterback standpoint, it's drew lock from his Ori. Give me the pick that you have in the first round that you feel because you're saying it's not just what you think will happen. What you're hearing. What's what's the pick? You can't do number one. Give me another one of the thirty one picture, you feel like this is the player most associated with this lot say Devon white to Tampa Bay. They want go defense. He's perfect for today's NFL. He's kind of Dion Jones the Jones at of LSU was a second round pick, ROY. Now, if you re drafted would have been a high first round pick you saw instrumental and critically as to the Atlanta Falcons defensive success when he was hurt they were different defense. He flies all over. And I think Devon white with four four to speed and the production. He had will be that type of player for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. So I would say Devon white Yulon Taylor. The tackle to Florida really was always moved into Jacksonville remained there. Montesquieu's wet and other Pash rusher for the Detroit Lions those were the ones I felt pretty good about drew lock. I was the bathing where he would go. And like I said for true. Loch Ryan curious to hear what you think. 'cause I I don't know what kind of quarterback, drew some you just say, I don't know there's quarterbacks you just don't know. And you don't really have a good feel for drew lock is one of those guys for me that I I see the arm. I see what he did against Florida when he finally beat a top the team he was nine going into that game. And he let them up seventy five percent. Completion percents touchdowns. No picks. They went down to the swamp and they won that game. Because of drew lock prior game against Kentucky. He was terrible in the second half three or four throws out of bounds. Only completed fifty five percent of his passes all three and outs galore in the second half. So again, there was that far too game was at his best. There are a lot of games where I didn't say it, but drew locks go. Hi. And he's one of those guys you're all the dice on lock. Yeah. He could be really really good. Or it could be guy that say what was I miss him. Why didn't he pan out? Like, we hope you. What's drew lock is the guy on offense for me for Sean? Gary would be the guy on defense. I get all the. Digital stuff watching him in liken him going. Okay. I get it. But I kinda hated Missouri. So many of the games this year. And I don't you know, I don't know if that's all on the kid there in that spot. But there's just it just felt like a lot of games are on like, okay. If you're going to be a first rounder here. I think I need a little bit more. And if I were the dolphins are really good point to make here not saying, oh, you goes thirteen but if you're Miami. And you're not sure then you can't you can't take him just as hey, we'll just we'll just go grab the quarterback because we're going to need one. After what we've done with Tanta. Hell we don't really have anybody on the roster that one hundred percent behind. So hey are pick is thirteen. There's a quarterback available. Let's just go ahead and do that. I know that some people feel like just keep taking quarterbacks until you find the hit on one who cares. I would have to be more sold on somebody to take them at thirteen than what I've seen. I would agree. And I think anybody that's taking a quarterback has to be sold. And there's no reason their quarterbacks you gotta love them. And I understand the first round you have other this strong draft. You're not gonna throw away a first round pick on a quarterback. You're lukewarm on or you feel like that. Or some guys like them. I'm not sure we'll take them and see what happens like dicey. You don't do that with a quarterback, especially in people? Just good some people think you should now. Because I mean, if you're gonna screw it up when you put all the work into it. Why not just go ahead and say, all right? We'll just keep we'll just keep taking of course is a good friend of mine came up with Ernie. And he always said, hey addressed a quarterback, and it doesn't work cut the cord move on don't try to stick with the guy that you know, we didn't get it. Right. They'll try to prove everybody wrong move on bringing other quarterback. And I didn't bring it into is not a bad thing. I think it's a bad thing. If you're if you wanna say I'll draft a couple of guys one early one later. Yeah. I I think there's some cases where. You want your guy in the I say, I don't want to have it at quarterback controversy here. I wanna have my guy that I dress. You're the guy, and I'll bring somebody else will be a veteran career backup with the Josh mccown role. Okay. But or they'll Doug Peterson role behind Brett Farr but out you're the guy. So sometimes you want to sell that gun. I'm not having any contra or you can go the route of saying, hey, I'm gonna draft this guy mid I addressed guy and a fourth round two. And I'm going to let them figure it out like the member Aikman which was drafted. And Steve Walsh was Barton. When Jimmy Johnson was eight figure it out. I'm going to Miami guy. I'll see what happens and end up Aikman was better. They traded washed in New Orleans. So sometimes you can do that. So there's different ways to approach it. But I I wouldn't take a quarterback that I didn't feel strongly about. Now, if I say, okay, I know this kind of crap shoot quarterbacks are, okay. I'll take guy even we like him when we're not perfect here. We could be wrong, but I'll take another guy's a backup plan that I really liked to and see what happens. So you take multiple players positions. Take two quarterbacks and figure out get one. First one in the third one the first one to four fourth whatever it may be a love them both. I really like these guys and I'll see what happens. So again gust and he's shoulder deal member even Kirk cousins RG three was worth RG threes injury. But that only saying Valance to extreme for me, though, the RG three cousins thing, basically for it to work. It has to mean one is a total disaster. And if it's the mid round guy, then that's fine. But if it's the guy that you put all this equity, and that's still not good for the football team. And it was kind of like some of the things people started throwing around last year where should the Browns take two quarterback? Like, okay. There was this is ridiculous. Now because one of the guys will not progress the right way because you just can't do that way. So that's that's an extreme. And you know, I'm going through stuff again here. And I think once he got his brains beaten by some of the teams in the middle of the season, I was kind of off from but he did finish stronger again against not great competition at the end he was really good in the bowl game. That's the defense. They're more at the end. But he got up to the good start middle of the season. It was tough against better competition, but he did he did finish stronger. Really starting with that Florida game. And then we overthrew stats so good last year. But, you know, again, sometimes the Mizzou system and everything I know I just felt like at the end of this just weird stretch rows like man, I just don't really trust this team all that much. But again, what was I supposed to think of Missouri? They're gonna win the east last year and the finish up onto relax manual hall. Was the guy ever to twenty yards? A catch ran four three nine. Great speed. But was hurt. And when he was not in the line at that affected. Lock didn't have is down the field threat. And that was a factor to did battle through that. And they did make plays lady that had the great game against Florida kind of defined him. As a I think it really the mid first rounder. We'll say somebody's gonna take drew lock high. I thought about Cincinnati. The Levin thought about Denver at ten. I'm interested to see if Elway the draft a quarterback for the next GM or say, okay, I got security here that I know to be GM for a while. I'll take him as the parent to Joe flacco that's going to be interesting to see what Denver does here in China. Elway really likes to lock. We'll see if it works out that he does take him at ten. Yeah. That would be. I would think it would make sense because of how frustrated they have to be in Denver of how bad the position has gone. Now. You know, there's there's a couple there where I'm like, I can kinda understand what they were doing like Simeon thought or looked like, okay. This is gonna work out and then he regrets. Paxton Lynch thing on ever understand some of the other stuff doesn't doesn't entirely matter? Like while actually helped them the first time around. So I have to imagine that away himself as competitive guys getting sick of hearing about how terrible he is at the position, which I don't know if that means that with flacco there, he goes for another guy or if he's like, I don't even want to draft a guy in the first round right now if I'm not a hundred percent sold celek Ryan on this quarterback thing. This is a couple of things for listeners realize how quarterbacks are fragile position. And you can be you can be that consider quarterback or valuator because you were lucky more. So than really good, and you go back to John Elway. John Elway was a great quarterback. One of the best of all time. Paxton Lynch, they drafted. He didn't make that affected last year. Because the study going for Josh Allen, they want for a position player Bradley Chubb, and they brought in case keenum. So he went to safer. We got a guy who's already played. I'm not gonna roll the dice. It could get another Paxton Lynch. So Paxton Lynch fails, you change your mind site safer, or you think case game pass on Josh down that doesn't work you go to John Dorsey. Great GM and Cleveland, right? Formerly of Kansas City. They had a strong interest in going and getting Paxton Lynch that year, they tried to get Paxton Lynch. Kansas City, did okay. They didn't get them the next year. They get Patrick Mahomes. Had they gotten Paxton Lynch. They tried to get they would not have drafted Patrick Mahomes the next year. So all that story about Kansas City. It was doing wouldn't have happened the way it did. So that's again, we go back to like when TRU Brees was would have been at Miami. Instead of not take pepper Nick Sabin would've never coach at Alabama that happen because my had success with Brees and save it would probably never left Miami. And there've been an Alabama. So again, you think you're you're really somebody's really. Evaluate and quarterbacks. No, they're not. They're probably just really fortunate that the guy panned out, and we're going to say, okay. Over the long haul. Kenny get it done year to year. Probably not he just had some good fortune. And that was the case, obviously, we Kansas City that certainly is the case all over the leg where you might hit on one. But then guarantee you're gonna hit on the next guy. And again, that's why evaluate and quarterbacks. Now, probably as difficult as it's ever been. It's always been challenging Ryan. But right now, it's not easy. No, not at. All. Right. A couple of quick wants to go here before we goodbye because I really appreciate your time today Mel biggest disagreement. You've had with McShane a guy this this season. I guess I don't really know. Because I don't look at his stuff and. Pocket. You guys doing podcast guy? He always, you know, Todd. We're all here. We're an ACA tied. He tries to pick a flight. Okay. He's always trying to pick Zoe's been seized from Boston. Yeah. You know? And I always say, I I don't know if it's real or trying to just he knows how to take the heck out of me gets be all route up, and he loves getting me all round up. Todd loves doing that to me. And he knows how to push the buttons with me. And and I just said, I don't know. So I would say with him. I'm just looking here. Yeah. 'cause sometimes I'll it's great 'cause I'll put a guide your crazy. I'll say next mock he's got the guy going there. So it's like one of those things. So you give me grief. And then I'll I'll tell you a Cup. I don't know the McLaren thing he'll agree or not he covered. He covers. Obviously a lot of Ohio State over the years. I don't know how feel there about McLaren. I don't know how feel about Chris Lynch them the guard from Boston College twenty one. Whether he'll think that's too high find out. Oh, I'll tell you. I know I'm not so always tell you. Oh, he tried to make into like Daniel jumping Daniel Jones with John Elway. I never said that I just had January Jones is quarterback ahead of Ryan Finley. And he liked Finley doesn't mean I think he's an ex standout quarterback in the NFL. So he's always in this Jones thing on me. But Brian burns Brian burns from Florida state. I know Todd says then Schranz like you talk about speed the power, and he's not that kind of guys speed Russia is not a power guy Brian burns. Vic Beasley Bruce Irvin. Oh. That's who he is. I've been the mid I know Assad didn't seem to be sold on Brian burns. I'm not sure Lindstrom, and I like Jonathan Abram safety Mississippi State, I think he likes. But I haven't been the first round to the eagles. It will say, but I said he doesn't look at my stuff. I don't look at his stuff. We have podcast, and we go back and forth and say, oh, you really at the end of the day. I ROY don't know who he loves and who doesn't love and I don't think he feels. He knows. He always wants you to think he knows what I'm thinking. Ryan, buddy. Roy doesn't. All right. We got there though, we got a couple of names down final thought here. Do you think Josh Allen from Kentucky will suffer in the draft this year because of what Josh Allen has done from from Wyoming? Why would he suffer? I'm just messing with the. Josh Allen franchise quarterback. They hope they get a franchise player in Josh Allen. There. Buffalo's Buffalo's thrilled with their guy that they got. We'll see what the what the I don't know if the jets are doing it three Ryan or trading the pick. Are they keeping the pick? Everybody seems to think they wanna trade out a three and moved down to that all allow somebody to jump in and get Wayne Haskins. We'll see on that. But Josh Allens Activa plyer. He went from seven sacks seventeen sacks. He became unblock -able. He's got a great attitude. Great approach Oakland would probably love to have him at four because they need that guy to make up for Khalil Mack loss. I somebody. Let's face. It Ryan Haskins and Murray gonna top three pretty good defensive players drop in the six. So again, you can't have them all go to quarterbacks top three. You got Bosa Quinton Williams. Devon white. Josh Allen that's four for three spots. That means that six giants all of a sudden are going to end up with a pretty good defensive player. Always great to catch up with you, man. I miss miss run all the time. And hopefully, you have another great draft. So. Ryan, any type always a pleasure. So we got our life advice guy coming up before we do that. Who knows we may hill came up with ZipRecruiter. If you need a job, I think is financial situations. Pretty good. But here's the deal. We know that hiring is challenging took me forever to find my Cerruti. I was able to do it. If I'd use ZipRecruiter. Maybe I would've found him earlier. 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Because I can't find a reason to stop doing what I've been doing. I'm surrounded by married people. And it seems like everyone's unhappy. I honestly don't see why I should be sprinting to get married or settled down. Sure there's positive being in relationship. But it's also pretty great being single not against aiding may just need some solid advice. And why should settle down? Appreciate any ideas. Frank joins us. Now. What's up Frank? Strain. How's it going? So my first question is did you really want help with anything? Or did you want to brag about the fact that you've taken out four hundred girls in the last couple years? I would say maybe a little bit of both. I mean, that's what I felt. I wanna just. Yeah. You know? I mean throw it out there and just get it out there. But no, I mean, I think solid advice on it would benefit because like I said got a lot of married buddies. And I just had a call last night, for instance, Santa had to listen to some of his stories. So it out is and the singles pretty good though. So you just seem to be the guy I'm assuming too especially down. Down south where people get married younger. You know? I don't know if those are all just always felt that way to me whenever I've traveled. Not a good thing. Not a bad thing to -sarily. But it seems to be the reality down there. So everyone your friends American. You're twenty nine. Yeah. Pretty much I'm surrounded. I have no single friends, actually. Okay. All right. So did some research. Look like a good looking kid. So, you know, just just throwing it out there for people to listening. So you're good at this thing. And is it that you enjoy being single? Do you kind of have this self worth thing that if you're with an attractive girl, or you have a lot of girls that are interested in you does that make you feel better? And it's okay because I've gone through that phase. And maybe I'm still in it. But I would say that you know, that can be that can be something getting away. Like is that how you feel like you feel great? When you have a good looking girl next to you. I can't lie and say, no, I mean, obviously you like to drown yourself with the tractive people. But at the same time, I also just like meeting new people whether it's out traveling and in pulsa, or maybe I'm in Dallas, something like that. And can hit up somebody and say, hey, you know, let's go get some dreams and see what's going on. So it's fun. It is. But I do see how settling down would be good put it that way. So it sounds like it's not even that you maybe you are dicta the dating thing. That's a lot of dates so two and a half hours. I did some of the numbers if we're. Although I only averaged out like sixty dollars every meet up. So I'd say high end for just a drink. Yeah. I mean, I guess that makes sense about sixty dollars. Because the thing I would say if you wanna say date state. I mean, we're talking closer to probably seven eight hundred. I don't call going out meeting. Someone having a couple beers a day. I don't really say like that's a date for me. Like the day is gonna be go out, dinner drinks, go outside night cat. It's a full, and that's gonna you know, that's whenever it starts to run up in the the two hundred plus area. So you've been eight hundred dates in two and a half years. Both minus like, yeah. Definitely. Yeah. So you are pretty addicted to this then. Yeah. All right. So we're gonna have to like, I'm this sounds a lot like the guy like, I don't think you can be just totally into heroin and then join cross today, you know. So it sounds like. Yeah. I don't know. I'm not a real judgy guy when it comes to this kind of stuff. But that seems like a massive number to me. I can't imagine wanting to spend that much time with strangers. But you really do me a new people that much. I can't do I'll put it this way. I've had several times where like gin girls in one week and do that for two straight weeks. Jamie twenty people in fourteen days, and yeah, it's exhausting. It really is. And you wanna talk about actually having to be able to have a good conversation with that person. And listen to what they're saying take it in digest it, and then be able to also remember it per maybe a second date or going back out. So it is it's like, it's mentally and physically exhausting doing this. All right, every every guy listening right now is then girl is is wondering what the follow up question here is in that is the beyond the date thing. And I, you know, knowing the corporate structure of how things work I look at here of what it would sound like. The way you're phrasing. This is that you're spending a lot of intimate time here with with these numbers as well as that a correct assumption. Well, I mean it cetera bit on that. You know? I'm not gonna go out and give you kill count or anything. But it's a very that's just hit or miss. You know, right, right. Okay. All right. So that's not what I'm looking for though, either. I'm not just back then. Frank, it kind of sounds like that's what you're looking for though, if you spending this much time doing this like you just admitted yourself that this is exhausting. I can't fathom having this many phone numbers in my phone and being like, okay content. I look it up in counted for you. I've got five hundred to just that. I, and that's just one that I've kept and not deleted not to mention, you know, whatever on Snapchat, or whatever. I mean, it's ridiculous. Like that. It's ridiculous. Okay. So you're you're doing this right now. We're still at peak. Frank, correct. Yeah. I literally just got a couple more from Dallas like today. That's five hours away. Now, I've never done dating app because I'm on television. And I'll admit that. There was a guy recently pretty successful guy. That was like, hey, you gotta try this thing. And I was like, I don't know. I just felt like I wanted to do that. So I'm not certainly not judging at all that is me just I don't I get it without getting it, even though I've I've never really necessarily done it. Here's the thing. Can you have you ever gone in had dinner by yourself and watched a game? Oh, yeah. All the time all the time. Yeah. Okay. Because I have friends that can't physically can't do that. Then when I would say I love going to but. When's the last time you were by yourself for a week? A week. Have you gone week? When's the last time you want a week without a date? It's been a hot minute like physically not meeting other person. It's been I will do this. I will take some time off like I will take maybe three weeks and only. Weeks and see like one or two people. And that's about it. So that kinda about as long as go. So as we get all the Baxter at all this stuff. The only way I could really figure out how to help you would be what do you actually want? And it doesn't sound like you want to change this up at all. And it doesn't sound like you want to be married, and that's fine. I had a freak out the other night where I was just sitting at home going, wait a minute. You're forty three like is this what we're really doing? We're not gonna have kids. They're not going to do this and you're twenty nine so you shouldn't be frying out about it. And I'm sure if somebody older than me is going why do you care you forty three like figure out or you won't? But there's real I think when you're a software person you have these real moments where you go, wait a minute. Wait, a minute is this what I'm doing is this gonna be like do I like this do I not like this? How can I improve the situation or just going to be stubborn, and we all kind of like built this way where we all kind of go back to what we ended up doing what I can tell you a guy that's been singled as long as he's not built up or it's not built this way. Like do not prefer a bunch of men are running around not settled down without a family. They want us all to have more responsibilities. And that's how we all calm down. And we're not Vikings and has society kind of operates. All right. So that's that's step one. I would never especially with everything you've said, I don't think any guys should worry about. Oh, I'm worthless. Because I don't have this or I don't have a family society can put that on your friends can put that on your family can certainly put that on you. But it doesn't sound like you want it stuff. So even though married people can tell you that they're miserable. It doesn't mean that it's going to happen to you. But it just doesn't sound like there's nothing you've said Frank that makes me think that you wanna family new wife anytime soon. So to tell you to just stop going on dating apps would probably be asking you to do something you still really enjoy. And may not be that big of a deal despite the massive numbers in anxiety. That would cause me that I'd have that many people trying to reach out to me in the same thing is I'm just super picky about who. I actually date are you I'm west with you. I actually date they settled down with because that is something that is the next person that I do, you know, Dacre a period of time I want to be with and. I am it's hard when you're twenty nine and almost everybody's either been married has a kid or it's just one thing or another. I'm rough with the baggage side of thing. I try to void issues like that. So. What's baggers Jaguars ruling out people? So you're okay with spending time with anybody, but not necessarily more time than that one time. Yes. Basically entirely, but I will go meet somebody and just to see how things go. And then if it goes, well, then yeah. Sure, let's go do something else. That's hang out later on. But if it doesn't go, well, that's kinda don't invest much time. After that. I will always be nice. I've never just gotten up in less or anything like that. And always cinema. What they you know, the, but it's time. Word on both sides to. I mean, I that I had a great time with and just ghosted. So not many. But it does happen pay man. We we all can't be decamp real. All right. So here's here's do you still like somebody that used to date. Does any problem here one for like four years? But no, she I mean, literally moved to Australia so in tires. No change. There's no hang out there that was too long time ago. Okay. All right. So no, it's not that. It's literally just I'm so damn picky about who. I actually want to settle down with do. You wanna move like baby. It'd be better not being the the big fish dating big fish. And I don't know how big the town in Arkansas, you're is. But it's north west, Arkansas. So I mean combined we've got about five hundred thousand people in the in the little probably thirty minutes or so so it's not massive by any means do you wanna move somewhere else? Then do you wanna try out Frank a bigger city here? I've been I've thought about it so much. I'm just I've got a good job. So it's one of those where like okay do. I just basically scrap this part of my career, then make a change entirely. You know, I thought about it. But I do like where I'm at. Okay. So that's always a tough one. Right. Because you go you're the things I like about this situation. But if I forced myself to improve the other part of my life will the rest of catch up. Okay. And that's I none of us know that answer and sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't you know what I mean? Like it can't always out for everybody. Literally just did it though, you know. Yeah. But I mean. I been planning this for a really long time in our whether I knew I was doing I subconsciously was making every decision that led to this. I ended up knowing like I go, wait a minute. I did all of these different things in succession because I knew what I was doing. All right. So I I think what you always have to do is you kind of look around and you go. Okay. Can I live in this situation? Do I feel like whatever version of me that I can be happy with can I do it here? Because clearly the social part of it. You're not happy. They even though this is fun. And there's probably guys listening being like this is sick again. I don't know if you sent in the Email because it's kind of a funny story, and we're gonna get smashed of this. But. I I think it's both things I think it is kind of fun to do your doing. But I think what you're saying. Is you don't wanna be thirty five and and have this run where you're still doing the exact same thing and definitely not? So if you already know that then it sounds like you gotta try something new in the same town or try something outside of of where you're at. Yeah. But that's kind of where I'm at right now. Like, I do, you know, one of the things that I look for is someone that has a stable career. Basically, I don't really want to just go in and just go all out with somebody. That doesn't really know what the hell they're doing. That's the -sarily. That's something. Another reason why a little bit picky is all find someone. And maybe some aspects are really great. You know, I can work with it. She can work with me. And then I find out. Okay. Yeah. But there's this. And that's one of the things that really gets to me is I do want someone that you know, likes to likes to have fun likes to do things. But also, you know, they've got a good job. And that that's something that I do for just for a future. You know? That's that's fine. To look I've done the same thing where I go. Hey, I want because of my family I want somebody has a perfect family than somebody has perfect family. And then I come up with another reason. Okay. Or? I'll say this person has to have this kind of job because the person I did it before didn't have this kind of job. So now, they have to have this kind of that. I meet somebody that has that kind of job. And I'm like, oh, do it ends up. All coming back on you. Okay. It all comes back on you. So if you're sitting there going down this list of baggage. And all these things that they don't check, you know, let's be honest with ourselves. Like there's things about mean that wouldn't be a positive. Okay. And I could have girl say, oh, I wanna meet somebody. That's totally knows what he wants to like not a guy that moved to LA to be a screenwriter while he was in the middle of a really successful career. So that could be either check that's a positive while he so driven. He wants to be even better awesome. Or jesus. Why can't this guy just be happy with everything that he has in finally be content at some point as life? So what could be a negative for one could be a positive for somebody else? But what you can't do. And you're going to end up. It's like you're too young for this Seinfeld reference where every single person dated he found something that was wrong with them every single time. It was like you're gonna have to figure out a way to accept things that you don't necessarily want to accept on paper because the soul mate can be there. But the perfect checklist of all the different things doesn't really exist in whether it's the way we talk about players or talk about relationships like waiting for perfect this kind of stupid, and it sounds like that's what you're doing. And I think for our next update. This is what I want you to do. I want you to do one week where all of the dating apps off your phone. And then we'll check in with you. Okay. I can do. No. You can't. I'll try my best about that. All right. So we'll check in with a couple of weeks. See how that week went? And we'll see if people like the segment or not, and if people hate to say universally, we won't even call you back Frank, but it's been really nice talking to you. I know on me. But I do appreciate the call. All right. We will check in with you again. You're really good at this dude seriously. So I appreciate a man. Hey, before we say goodbye wanna thank everybody for subscribing rating reviewing please do that as much as you possibly can. We had a huge last quarter. And it means a lot. And I know it seems like we're doing that sporadically telling you how great we're doing. But it's worth it to tell you that. You're the reason we are doing so. Well, so that's awesome. And it was cooled doing the back and forth thing was I wanna think Zach Lowe and also our department people for putting that all together. And it was just more surprising still a year. Plus after the radio show how often on here. Head a new you had a podcast. Well, there's nothing we can do unless we're trying different things and teaming up with Zach was a really big bumper us that was great. So make sure you check out this week's episode of the low post was low Howard Beck of bleach report talking all things NBA. And that's of course, as we head to the playoffs. So have a great week everybody. I'll be back.

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Todd's Mock

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Todd's Mock

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Every day brings us closer closer to the moment. When the next generation of NFL stars learned their destiny and franchises. Try to lay the foundation for the next dynasty witty Burke Vic. These is first draft now alongside NFL draft insiders Melkite junior and Todd mcshay appears Chris Brown. Welcome to first draft right off the top. Josh. What do we have to do? Download no over one subscribe rate and you review on apple podcasts the ESPN app or wherever you like to get your podcasts. Well, done welcome to first draft for this week. Mel kiper junior is here Todd mcshay 's here, I'm Chris Sproul. This is a good week because we have a fresh mock draft from Todd who. It is senior bowl work is getting ready for the combine. And now he gets to hop back into the frying pan of having a mock draft out if you haven't seen it you wanna play along go to ESPN dot com right now. It's they're up to morning, but Todd let's jump into it a little bit. I'm not just going to read right on through. And I'm really interested in talking about the quarterbacks who are not here in this. Mock you put Dwayne Haskins number six to the giants where you note. Hey, they they might have to move up to get him. And you also have Cuyler Murray to the dolphins at thirteen. I was surprised Todd that we didn't have a third quarterback in this mix. And I know there's a number of spots. He could be is that third quarterback. Drew lock. And, you know, do you expect that with trades and things like that it'll become more clear? I think drew lock in my opinion would be the third quarterback. I think for Mel it probably would be Jones. Although, you know, I don't want to put words into his mouth. But it it's difficult because I don't think either if you're truly grading them again in my opinion belongs in the first round. But Lamar Jackson didn't belong in the first round. Tim tebow didn't belong in first round. You can go every year we see one or two or three quarterbacks even that that sneak in there because of the positional value. So you look in the back end teams that could pull the trigger. There's just not a lot of them. I mean got the ravens at twenty two. I don't think they're going to whether they should or not could be debated. The ravens a twenty two the raiders at twenty four. I looked at a few different options. But the chargers could be looking ahead. But do they wanna use that pick? The patriots could be using looking ahead. Do they wanna maybe get one day too? So it was tricky in that. Regard. I do think we'll we'll wind up seeing team move up because as I went through this. You know, the first five teams is we've talked about they don't need quarterbacks. Then you get to the giants. And then the Jaguars. And then the Broncos at ten are kinda sneaky sitting there. They could wind up moving back into the first round for guy. Like drew lock. There's a lot of rumors, and I don't know if they're true or not at this point. But that they have interest in lock the Bengals at eleven. Or are they going to try to go in a different direction moving forward? And then the dolphins obviously at thirteen so and the Redskins at fifteen dealing with Alex Smith and his injury. So there are enough teams in the first half of the first round. But I just I felt better about putting the thirty two players in the first round that I wound up sticking with just from a value standpoint. Mel with with the absence of lock in the in the first round Todd's Mark is is that just a situation where you know, as Todd says, he doesn't really have them graded there. So without the trades. But it at the end of the day. In Kuyper terms is do you think there's going to be three or four quarterbacks taken in round one? I probably guests three and lock in Jones is the big debate. And I ended up rating lock a little bit ahead of Jones bass still and just the arm and I remember getting a call from GM in the NFL last year not this year, but two thousand seventeen season was probably October instead strongest arm of any quarterback. And I was saying Josh Allen, obviously. Well, he said he thinks Lou got it rivals, Josh Allens. Arm is drew lock. Now. I don't think that locks Armstrong Josh Allens, but drew lock does have a strong arm, and obviously the week of practice that the senior bowl Jones didn't distinguish himself lock did more. So but when the game rolled around the MVP game was Daniel Jones MVP of the game several years ago was J manual who became a a mid first round pick. So I think somebody may take lock or Jones. I don't think maybe basically Todd is true. Let somebody traits back in who you're gonna give them to maybe New England chargers. But you think about teams trumping? Back in or to you know, who's your guy? You know, I'm I was going. I put lock ahead of Jones right now. I put locked three Jones for when I rated them yesterday for ESPN dot com, and that was only because of the arm Goldens arm of lock in the fact that locked did play good down the stretch. You did beat Florida. He didn't have Emmanuel hall all year, you know, because he was banged up. Wasn't there? The whole season. Locke though. Yeah. Has those inconsistent ties and make some bad reads and bad decisions at times. But to me, you know, Jones, you know, what I want to see how to Jones is a little more. I like intensity I like passionate. That's why the far running down field. It's the senior bowl and just the Josh Allen Mayfield. So it was just have fire and competitiveness juicer flowing from the gecko, I want Jones Zeh, very cool. Calm collected. Joe flacco because of that. But Jones did have the MVP performance in the game. Which you know, I guess they had to give it to somebody. He didn't. Wow. Me over in the game. But they had to give you MVP to somebody. So yeah, I'm still taught I don't know that's kind of fluid right now that Jones locked deal is something it's gonna it's gonna continue into April as the C which one is right now, you're pretty locked in drew. Yeah. But I I also think the thing we all have to guard against is what happens in these years. I mean, it's not always the twenty eighteen draft class with four legitim- legitimate guys that belong in the top ten. Some years. There's just not good quarterbacks. And this is one of them. Now. I liked Wayne Haskins a lot I like Kylo Murray a lot I don't know that I would take either those guys over the top four from a year ago. And then you start to look at the gap from Haskins and Cuyler Murray when you get to drew lock and Ryan Finley and Daniel Jones and all the other guys. And I think it's pretty significant. So again at the end of the day, it's not gonna surprise me. If we see three or four quarterbacks drafted, but I think if we believe that Keiler Murray is going to play in the NFL and stay in the NFL. I think there are only two quarterbacks that belong and that's Haskins Murray yet I would agree with late last year. I was thinking that during the senior bowl why just the wake of practice. You would enter just watching it and say man, these guys be happy if the jets the Buffalo Bills and the teams in obviously Cleveland, the teams hours only got Rosen and Baltimore Johnny happy because you got a year ahead. And you've got guys who. I would say light years ahead of these guys. But it's a significant difference. Those guys were all view the big three. And let's say Mayfield was a wildcard Lamar was kind of a wild card, but the big three were, you know, darnold, Josh Allen. And Josh Rosen, and we knew how good they were going to be as profitably knew that going in Haskins was a one year guy this year, we had no idea how he would play based on the Michigan game from the previous year. We knew Kyle Murray coming and we didn't have any clue because he didn't do anything at am this after a great high school career to distinguish himself. So he came out of nowhere and yet Daniel Jones, and you had true lock and lock was kind of the guy who you were kind of focused because he had that decent grade that pretty high grade going in. But to say they were in the league with those guys. I am close not even close. If you're like, I say jets bills even Arezzo fan. People criticize Rosen he had no elp and Baltimore got a leg up with Lamar going into the season. And certainly Cleveland say hit the jackpot with Baker. And they well should feel that way. And I know buffalo feels that way back Josh. And the jets feel that way about darnold. So again this group. It's it's a bit of a force that I do think if you said to me right now who they're going to roll the big arm who has the big arm, and who has the size and the big arm, and the experience would be drew lock, you know, it's funny. But to Todd's point earlier, you know, we went into last year we're going to NATO member the jets when the jets moved up from number six to number three overall. There was at least the possibility that they were doing that. Because they were going to be content with getting one of the top three quarterbacks in the draft. We didn't know if it was going to be Mayfield at the time. I think he would at the time. We thought darnold was likelier for number one. And then Cleveland is really fell in love there. But I mean, the the jets were moving up to the number three pick with with the very real possibility. They were going to get the number three choice at quarterback there, and they were content with that. And they will admit that. Now, they're obviously tickled that the guy loved the most darnold was there. But again. Todd's point. It's not that year. You're like, oh, man. We're going to have to play draft leapfrog to get these guys. You really don't know. I mean taught I guess I would ask you this giants get their guy Dwayne Haskins at number six in this mock to me, it seems like a very real possibility that that's where Haskins goes I could also see a team like the jets moving out of there because they don't need a quarterback. I could see a team like the raiders adding picks certainly the forty Niners again, all those picks one through five should be for sale ostensibly, in some way, shape or form. But it's not a certainty that any team needs to climb up to get that guy. Yeah. That's it's really going to be the interesting part this year to me because I just mentioned some of the teams you've got the cardinals Niners jets raiders and buccaneers drafting one through five respectively. None of those teams want a quarterback all of those teams. I think would be pretty content with any of the probably defensive players that they would get maybe an offensive lineman for. Tampa Bay but Jacksonville sitting at seven, and they know the giants will take Haskins. They would have to assume that the giants will take Haskins if he's sitting there. So why wouldn't they make a move? And then if they move a couple of spots, why wouldn't the giants move up ahead of them. And then what about some of the other teams that I mentioned the dolphins especially at thirteen. I mean, they seemingly have moved on from Ryan tannehill. Understandably so seven years later. Well, when healthy, I think, we're sure. Yeah. Exactly. So he he cannot stay on the field. So they have to they have to move on. So that's a third team in the mix. And then you don't know what's going on with some of the other teams. Like, I mentioned the Broncos at ten the Bengals at eleven the Redskins at fifteen so in again going back to what Mel and I were just talking about in a class. It's not great. And we think there's a significant drop off after the first and maybe after the second quarterback what's going to happen in terms of movement with these quarterbacks. I mean, you look. Last year. We've talked about a Baker was first overall pick. So there's nowhere to move. But the jets moved up for darnold bills moved up for for Josh Allen cardinals moved up for Rosen. I think that the ravens moved back in right to get to Lamar Jackson the year before Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson, they all were teams all moved up form. Remember in two thousand sixteen Goffin Wentz. Two teams traded away a bunch of stuff to go up and get those guys. And for the most part, they're they're pretty happy that they did. So I think we'll see some movement for these quarterbacks the one that's so hard to nail down. And we talked about it recently is Cuyler Murray because of all the other factors forget, the even the size. Just the concern about is really all in football. And can you get that answer by the time the draft rolls around and dizzy just get his money on the front, and how do you structure that contract? And how do you try to keep them and things are going? Well, as you're gonna wind up leaving for major league baseball after a year or two that's a lot of. Risk with the first round pick. In teams hate risk when it comes to using this first round pick. I'll tell you what Mel spring training starts next week. I mean, what's your prediction because he might not show up for the as, but then to Todd's point he's going to have to sit down with some people at the NFL combine look in the eye and say he's going to have to sell himself. He's going to have to say again what what Todd said put all the side. Somebody's gonna say do you wanna play football? Are you going to prepare like the CEO quarterback? Mel kiper talks about all the time. I mean. Based on just, you know, his based on the media clips we've seen of him in the last couple of weeks. Mel are you confident that that's that's that guy is going to be in Indy selling himself. Well, two teams. Well, I think both parties are looking for answers Keiler is looking for answers because he's got to deal with the as and if he puts that aside is the NFL gonna draft him high. He doesn't know that. So he's kind of taking a leap of faith, the NFL's kind of taking a leap of faith. So like both parties have to find a common ground here and say, okay, if I'm not going to play baseball, and I'm gonna come into the NFL, let's face it. Would you rather be? He sees what these young quarterbacks are doing. He's out there watching, you know, Patrick Mahomes. He's watching Josh Allen. He's watching darn ways watching Baker Mayfield and Lamar. He's seeing all these young guys you're one in year two doing really well and went in football games. And he's an it's not a five year thing I'm going to be riding around as what they say in bull Durham the bus leagues and doing the minor league thing, and I don't know if I'll ever become. I went will become a major league baseball player. Okay. He's not an Oakland this year. He's going to be a minor leagues. So does he want to do that for a period of time? But I think if he is committed to baseball is the NFL going to commit a top ten top fifteen picks. Now when you think about column, right? I was talking to a former high ranking personnel guy in the league and yesterday, and he said, you know, look at true breeze in a second. You got throw that out. You can't think eighties nineties seventies. You got to think? Now, we're drew Brees went, and we're Russell Wilson went has no no bearing on where Cuyler Murray will go or should go. It's a different game now. And you gotta adjust your whole thought process. Not compare this guy to what happened ten fifteen years ago. It doesn't matter anymore. So I think for Cuyler Murray. This is going to be something thought I'd said mom, it's going to be the most fascinating pick of any. We've ever seen in our lifetime. I know mine because you've never seen a kid five nine five nine and a half at quarterback who wasn't even on the radar. Be the first round pick in baseball and football. Yeah. Never had any of this and never had a five nine five nine and a half quarterback that you're expecting to be the big time franchise quarterback without ever having anybody to Kosei somebody else at five nine Heff did that Doug Flutie was in that five nine five nine and a half range. But he went to the US F L. I we've never had this for the draft a guy evaluated. The be a top ten top fifteen thick or maybe the fourth dick overall. So the Oakland Raiders and Jon Gruden. We never had that before who's going to have the guts to make that choice and commit to Kyle Murray. You know, Todd Todd mentioned it. He had some notes on this mock draft where he has Murray to the dolphins at thirteen you mentioned shadow shea. You know, the flipside in Jon Gruden used to always talk about this. Mel the flip side to the risk of taking certain guys is the excitement that certain coaches might have in being able to work with them Totta me. And I know you talked to a lot of coaches certainly a ton of them at the college of lawn Saturdays, and then and then guys is you get into draft season here. But I think that's something that kind of they can separate things a little bit where whether it's it's it's the kid, and he brings a certain amount of juice to the conversation or you have plays that you've never been able to call before. Because you didn't have an entity like this. I mean, that's one of those things where you know, you say, oh, that's not a very creative offense. And then you look at the players, and you don't know if they have the chance to be as creative as they want to be I wouldn't put it past a lot of NFL off. Offensive coordinators in particular in particular to be really excited about the possibility of working with Cuyler. Todd tell me if I'm way off here. But I do think that that's one of these things it's going gonna come down to is is looking at that tape at oklahom- looking at what Baker Mayfield was in a similar offense last year with almost identical stats and Oklahoma. And then what he did is a rookie and saying, you know, what I can work with this guy. I completely agree. And I think I think you have to have some creativity. And I think you have to be forward thinking, and I think you know, when you look at a guy like Chatto shea, and he's to me he's got a background where working with a quarterback like this. He's got some forward thinking he was with Houston in in the nineties. He was with the Kansas City. Chiefs two thousand three two thousand five looking at up yesterday just to see what is background was and obviously with the patriots. And they've always had the same system in the same quarterback really with with Bill. Oh, Belichick and Tom Brady. But there's always been speculation that Bill would like to work with a mobile quarterback in kind of the creativity of that. So I think share is someone who keep a close eye on with Miami. And and wanting to bring in a guy like Cuyler where you can be a little different and put pressure on opponents and speed things up and get become a little bit more like the college game, which is what what's happening with most NFL teams right now cars that sound like this trust Pennzoil synthetics to protect their engines in extreme conditions. Top racing teams know that Pennzoil synthetics give them the performance to help them succeed. Your car's engine deserves the say because your daily commute is no less important get complete protection for top engine performance. Just like the pros. Go to Pennzoil dot com slash oil change offer to sit terms apply guys. I want to jump off the quarterbacks in just rapid fire through a bit of a few other themes in this mock draft Todd let you get started. I got five Cornerbacks on the board. You know, we go from greedy, all the way down to Byron Murphy of Washington. I mean is this is five about as high as we can get her. Is there a chance number six could slip in to this round? Seems like a cornerback class. At least at the top is getting pretty loaded here. Yeah. It's a good group. It's not as good as maybe would think based off a five in the first, and it may not be five, but the more I watch of Joon Williams from Vanderbilt the more I like he's longer corner press. He's got some some ball skills. I think I think he's got a chance he may not be a first round pick. But he's somewhere in that range trade Trayvon Molin is another one who's who. I think the more you see him because we didn't expect him to be in this class. But the more I watch them the more I start to like him as well. It helps that he had those four pass rushers five pass rushers really if you throw in huggy bear. But. But he certainly has the physical tools to be a top forty top fifty pick in this year's class as well. So I it's a it's a pretty deep group. I don't think it's great necessarily at the top people have differing opinions on greedy Williams coming out of LSU. A lot of guys don't like he's not quite as physical as it should be his inconsistency late in the season. But you can't deny the talent. And with John Jay baker's, I've mentioned before coming out of Georgia. He's not quite as talented naturally as greedy Williams. But I think he's the most instinctive corner we've seen in a few years. So they're going to be I think top twenty picks. And then the other guys are gonna be somewhere in that twenty two. Maybe forty forty five range Mel helped me out on this one. I get it little bit different profile different positions in terms of being able to play outside. Todd has shown Gary going number three to the jets. I can see the fit, obviously. And then Quentin Williams is there for the taking it number four for the raiders. I get CHA. Try to put the positions and Fitz and stuff out of your mind. If you just watch the tape this year, can you make really good case for a Gary to go out of a Williams. Maybe I just fell in love with Williams. But man, he just seems like he's the guy where you wanna say don't over think it the guy's going to be good. Yeah. I would quit Williams had a phenomenal year. And you kept waiting the put him on the board because he was a third year sophomore. And you know, it was really coming on. But you want to overreact one or two games, and it became four or five games and six seven games, and it was just non stop the kid was didn't destroying double teams. He was hustling and making plays all over the place. And it looks like the closest guide Aaron Donald that everybody thought at Oliver would be turned out to be winning Williams. So yeah, I think it would be tough to pass him up. If you're if you're taking Sean Gary headed, Quentin Williams, you're rolling the dice on talent and talent. Usually those went out and Rashawn Gary was number one player. Eight position come out of the prep ranks Jim Harbaugh got him to to Ann Arbor. And he didn't have the sat numbers his sack numbers were low. But again system being. To be turned loose getting coached up. He has a ton of ability and this year, obviously, the injury that was gonna play anymore and this and that so this happens on draft year. But I think when you look at Rashawn Gerry talents in abundance. So it wouldn't shock me. If he went that high. But I do think Quinton Williams who they would need in. This defense is is Sean Gary, I think that would be somebody would be very tough to pass up. And it'll be another great call that somebody's got to make you take the proven got it went out and just dominated or the guy who was flashed. But doesn't have the the sack totals the really warrant being a top three pick in the draft the other thing too. Are you going to move out? The jets are going to be sitting there the forty Niners. The jets maybe not the raiders with their three picks in the first round. But you got a couple of teams there near the top that could very easily move back. If a team like the giants or Jaguars came knocking. I cut you off there. But I was I was going to jump to number fourteen. Overall, the Atlanta Falcons take at all of her obviously, the defensive tackle out of Houston. Now, this is gonna make my head explode. So I'm going to get it out of the way if at all ever falls to this range, somebody probably on social media is going to say this is what happened to Aaron Donald. And Aaron Donald obviously became the steal of the draft. Todd tell me why that person needs to have their Twitter account taken away from them. Listen at Oliver's a great football player. He's undersized, and that's that's going to be an issue trying to find the right scheme and the falcons run that scheme and they've got to make a decision on on Grady Jarrett, and if they resigned Grady, Jared, it may be a guy like extra lords that they bring into to put next to him. So, you know, there's there's still so much so much left in this process to sort through in terms of the free agency and the workouts with these players at cetera. But for Oliver he is a great football player. He plays his tail off. He is quick. He's disruptive versus run. He's disruptive as a pass rusher. He's just not the finisher that Donald always has been going back to pit throat is entire NFL career. So he can improve in that area. He can get better with his hands. He can put on some weight, hopefully with you know, with NFL the training tables and with a nutritionist and with. The trainers and everything else he'll be able to put on some weight get stronger, and hopefully not lose any of his quickness. But there's a little bit more of a gamble there than than I think people thought when we assumed he was around two ninety to ninety five and kind of everyone was hoping that he was going to turn the corner and become Donald in terms of a pass rusher and finishing and he'd really didn't this past year. So I think those are the couple reasons and again, we're talking about fourteen and he could wind up going. He could wind up going anywhere in the top ten fifteen picks somewhere in that range. So it's not this huge drop. But I do understand the question because we were talking about him potentially the top five pick coming into the season. Now, another new name relatively new name. Somebody I want to just hit on a few of the newer name speech or maybe seen for the first time. Of course, he goes to the Baltimore Ravens at number twenty two overall decay Metcalf. Tell me who he is what we're dealing with. And if it's a guy who can rise even further than that, he's a big receiver. Who's got a lot? Talent and had the injury and the bottom line with vk medcalf, and it's the same thing with AJ Brown. And it's really all these receivers that you look at it's going to be a lot of mixed opinion. And even Mark use Brown. It only one sixty five seventy whether he's going to end up weighing AJ Brown. Same thing that slot guy. Is he more of that guy? Hey, Jarvis Landry that of a player. So and you'll get Julian Edelman meant to the Super Bowl winning patriots without him. They don't win a Super Bowl or even get to it came medcalf is a big talent as he get enough separation to me, I look at him and the keel, Harry you look at who team Butler at Iowa State. Does he run well enough? I think met casts workout he's a third year sophomore. He's rolling the dice coming out Todd's guy. I think he probably could be if he has a great workout. You're facing that again one potential. I I didn't see Metcalf to me ever show that wild type separation that wild type quickness, and and just just go out and just just exploit a corner in the college the college game and just destroy somebody. I didn't sell them again. Yeah. I know I've I've I think decay Metcalf will be a guy who over the next three months. Two months. Three months ends up probably going where two project to twenty twenty two head him going twenty two to the right? I Ronnie siklie three or four weeks. I'd AJ Brown going that same spot the teammate of decay Metcalf. We're JJ durability your point four. So I mean, we're splitting hairs here. I had a going there decay. Medcalf was a guy was certainly was considered you decided to go with it. Now, I'm going to wait a little bit on decay. Medcalf? I think he's another guy. There's a say boomer bus. There's going to be mixed opinion as to how high decay Metcalf should go. Todd. We talked a little bit about him last week when we were going through some of the best weapons in the draft. You put Alabama running back Josh Jacobs in this draft number twenty seven to the raiders folks don't realize, of course, the raiders are gonna take a running back in round one. Well team took a running back late round one last year named Sony. Michelle he was the guy who scored a touchdown in the Super Bowl. Sometimes if the great slot. The only one yes. But sometimes the great matches a slot. If you think the guy can play right away late first round rounds, not a bad place to get that guy. We've seen it a number of times in recent years. Yes, I obviously can see the fit here with the raiders at twenty seven. But more broadly. Do you think Josh Jacobs is just firmly in the conversation is a guy that can go somewhere? I don't know say twenty two on. I do I think if he's not a first round pick. He'll be a top forty pick. And I think it's the versatility the explosiveness. And it doesn't hurt that. He you know, he's got. A lot of tread left on those tires because he he really was never the guy. He became the guy very late this season. If you go back and look at the carries and touches, but Damian Harris really was was carrying the majority of the load for the last year and a half. And and I think Jacobs benefits from that. But also being able to put enough good tape out there at the end of the year against some top competition. To me. I just I think his ability to catch the ball to move around to protect and then the explosiveness to create yards on his own kind of what separates him from some of these other guys like Bryce love who's had trouble staying healthy. You know, Damon Harris, obviously, his teammate Devon single, Terry. Daryl Henderson, David Montgomery from Iowa State. They're all talented backs. But I do think with Jacobs you get a little bit more a little bit more complete player and the one guy I would kind of throw out there to to keep an eye on is Rodney Anderson from Oklahoma. I mean, if he was healthy, I think he would be up there with Josh Jacobson the conversation probably early second round range his ability to catch the ball protection. And then the explosiveness Hebron's as well. He's a complete player becoming off the injury. Where's he going to be? And how was he medically? That's going to be a big thing when we get to the combine. And then the medical recheck in early April it's going to be really big for. For a guy like Rodney Anderson out of Oklahoma. Because I think he's talented is any of these backs in this house. Yeah. He watched Rodney Anderson and last year's Rose Bowl. You think you're getting top backs in the draft. Now, if that guy's not on the field till, you know, week eleven because of know he starts this season on the pup who knows. But that's a pretty good player. If you're getting them in the middle rounds. Mel you have a new big board. It's up on ESPN dot com right now, probably somewhere with Todd's mock who are the guys that are. What are we got? Who are the guys that are rising for you? Mill hope Todd out here. Little who are the guys that are rising some new names on the big board. That obviously everybody in the world is going to be talking about for the first time this week, not a lot not a lot of new guys. I mean, I think the Tice Hopkinson had been there. He's at seventeen tight ended Iowa. My tests sweat was as high as eight back in early October dropped back a little bit. He's up at fourteen now based on his pass rush ability. What he did then mobile at the practices Colin Murray's up at eight. I didn't want to have much of a gap between Haskins and Murray. So put a Haskins at five moved Murray up to eight I didn't wanna have big gap between greedy Williams and the Andre Baker the Andre baker's more complete football player. Now who has better talent, greedy? Does as greedy are going to be playing with ten guys not eleven because of lack of tackling ability of greedy Williams that impacts short passes because this is a short pissed league. It's an extension of the running game. Get the ball out quick. You gotta tackle. If you're a corner. That's a very underrated part of playing cornerback in this league. So greedy Williams is the dre bakers attend depending upon how Baker works out. I might move my head, greedy. I don't know. But they're right there where you can make that move. If you want to. Moving down a little bit. Josh Jacobs said eighteen I'm with you at a forty twentieth. Forty six forty eight carries two years ago. I mean, and all of a sudden now we're talking about a guy who's coming in fresh. He was the most explosive back Alabama had to catch the ball. He blocks he has a chip because he was a two star guy coming out of high school and could works hard. So I would think Josh Jacobs go somewhere in that fifteen thirty two range. After that, you know Jonathan Abrams safety misstate we've had in there before. So I don't see anything crazy there. I will say a kit at running back to go back to the running back spot. Did you mentioned Daryl Henderson from Memphis? Yeah. Did you? That's the kids. It's today's guy. That's today's NFL running back explosive can catch this kid's touchdown waiting to happen. I somebody his backups going to be a pretty decent NFL player to Tony polar. And as versatile guy who can do. Everything powers got four four kick returns for touchdowns in one season at another this past year. So powered running catching returning does all that. But I think Darryl Henderson is a guy when people really start to study the other backs and look who's the most explosive who could be a guy can change at scoreboard. And when you give them a little crack it can go the distance and catch the ball out of the backfield and explosive plays there. I think Henderson's gonna be at worse by the time we get to late April second round pick. It's going to be interesting to see what Henderson runs I mentioned the stat before. But they'll Henderson last year average nine yards per carry. So this year going into the season. Everybody knows he's going to touch the ball a ton. He ever did nine yards per carry. I mean, you do it. Once you know, obviously, Bryce love got hurt. But I mean, you see running backs you see running backs that have great seasons and then dip a little bit as game plans change, but didn't happen this year with Henderson guys. Let's take a quick break. And then I'm going to jump into a stack of mail that we have here, but I word from edible arrangements. Listen up. Valentine's Day is in the time for rookie moves so leave it to the pros at edible arrangements. It's the freshest fruit married with the finest chocolate artfully arranged to make a big impression and with over twenty decadent Valentine's Day gifts and arrangements to choose from. You don't have to be exclusive. It doesn't make a difference. If it's for that special someone or all your special, someone's when you feel love share love with edible arrangements stand out from the crowd, this Valentine's Day, and it pays to plan ahead. Order by February tenth and take twenty percent off all pickup orders over fifty dollars. Stop by local. Edible arrangements and experienced love at first byte order online and have it delivered at edible dot com. Mel I'll let you get this one started Jordan ham like be behind like fifty five says any chance Devon white falls to Pittsburgh at number twenty overall seems like a bit of a fall I have a four on a big board on the where Todd hasn't won his big board. But I cannot see a cook linebacker who is going to run around and make plays. The Jones was the second round pick. If you re drafted the Jones he would have been a much higher picky. This guy is phenomenal getting to the ball carrier and making plays and the way today's NFL was suited for a guy like white, ideally suited. I can't see him. It would be hard for me to push him out of the top ten. I had him going at eight to Detroit in the last mock Todd, I don't know where you had him. But I gotta believe there's no chance that he gets that far down the board tunnel that you take this one jet life at jet up twenty twenty two says, why isn't and Keough Harry Sunday being talked about more is one of the top wide. Receivers taken seems like a free. Ghastly, and he offers the big time production. Listen, he's. Very talented. There's no question. The issue is he's got an improve as a roadrunner and become a little bit more consistent. The other issue is there's a bunch of these kind of guys in this year's draft. I mean, obviously Mark Brown's the undersize receiver deebo Samuel is strong is not as tall as some of these other receivers decay Metcalf and AJ Brown from ole miss or both in that six two two six four range Riley ridley's another big receiver JR Siga Whiteside. From from Stanford is six four six five. Akeem Butler is the same way Kelvin Harman's six three six four. So you've got so many different receivers in this year's class that are the big physical guys. Contested catches late separation in a league where quite honestly teams are looking for a little bit more quickness and get open right away and be able to create after catch. So it's going to be interesting to see where all of these receivers go, but I would be shocked if if Harry wound up a certainly out of the sec. In day. And I think he will probably likely go in the in the first two rounds. Mel Tim Krahn junior asses there a scenario where you can see the bills drafting defense with their first round pick given they have needs all over the place on offense. Well, yeah, it's a one pick. And you gotta take the best player and everybody's acts. Like, you're you're banning your knees. If you don't take not helping your football thing, if you don't take a guy in the first round at fills in the you can't go in to address thinking, I gotta get this. You get the best player. I think they're scenario where defensive lineman could be Macau Williams's retiring, but I would think if they had their druthers they obviously nine one to take an offensive player a Jona Williams. If he were there the offensive lineman from Alabama no receiver. I don't think the take that early. Could they move down off a nine that could be worth Cuyler Murray as factored in maybe jump ahead at Denver for a quarterback? So buffalo spot. I think if the falls the way could could be an opportunity for the bills and Brandon being to move down a little bit. Then be at a better point to take the receiver that take a tight end you to take an offense align because some of those we'll be there at that point. They're going to be more attractive there than it would be at nine. So I would think they'll trade down. But I certainly don't go into the draft. And now, you better get one of those guys or it's not a productive pick could be if a defensive player of star quality is still there, and I don't like Rashawn Gary may be there. But if we're Sean Gary were, yeah, you would look at him, obviously, more than likely I'd say ninety percent. It's going to be an offensive pick in the first round. All right, Todd. I like this one Dave sim says ton- I'm hearing the giants aren't enamored with the top QB's in this class. This guy's dialed in you might want to put them on your list before you set your mockup, but who would be a logical fit for them. If they pass on a QB, maybe Jona Williams. What do you think? And they certainly could go offense of line. That's been an issue for years. They keep trying to address it. And they don't get it fixed. I also think who's there. I mean, you can't it's such a cliche, and I hate even saying it, but you can't have enough pass rushers is Sean Gary from Michigan the defensive end still there, you know, Jeffrey Simmons, if you're comfortable with the character issues in the past is as talented, I think is any individual in this class and has a chance to be a massive difference maker coming out of Mississippi State. So there will be players to draft at that spot. And if they really legitimately don't wanna quarterback and don't like any of these guys or if they get passed up by another team and don't want to take a Keiler Murray. Let's say they could they could potentially look to move back for a team like the dolphins sitting at thirteen trying to move up to go. Get a Keiler Murray to make sure they don't get left out at the end of the day. All right. Mel let you wrap this sucker up. Oh, man. There's some good hate mail here too. Let me see here. All right. Oh, boo. How hard you hit. It's proud and Super Bowl you sound. Like, you really got after it. Yeah. Well, I mean, I correctly picked a score. So yeah, that was exciting. Mel why so many offensive tackle prospects named by people like you to be destined to move inside to guard their sixty four starting tackles in the league. So it seems overblown that only a few top prospects per draft can be called true tackles. Yeah. What do you say? Mel, you're the you're the king of short arms move them inside. Well, you movements I Joan Williams. I think and Brandon sheriff is the cop there. I mean sheriff was a left tackle people at right a guard. Jona Williams could be a right tackle or guard. Slade left tackle. Yeah. Well, we move inside and baby. But I think he'll be drafted Moore's tackle Chuma Dogo from USC tackle could move inside. Certainly, Cody Ford, Oklahoma. Chris Lindstrom's guarded ABC on the rise knows everything at Kansas state. A lot of versatile guys that can can really fill a lot of roles upfront, which what you want. And that's why these guys are gonna go in the first two rounds. I could see very easily just looking down here. Now seven I could see thirteen I could see seventeen Todd. I'm looking here. And you can tell me if I'm crazy I could see seventeen to nineteen interior offensive lineman. Go in the first two to three rounds. The lot. I'm looking right here. I got six. Five is eleven let's say fifteen I'd say fifteen offensive linemen and the first two rounds. Yeah. And invariably his point though. I mean if they're sixty four tackles. Sometimes guys move into guard because the guard gets hurt just go via the idea that it's just cut and dry. Let's check the arm. Like, no, you're moving inside kid. You just never know. Look what happened in look what happened with Trent Brown. New england. Trent Brown's the guy that could profile as a guard could profiles a right tackle. They coached them up left tackle. I mean, the idea that these guys come into the come into the NFL, and we say based on certain specifications that they have a certain position, and they're going to stay there forever. It's just not true. This offense of lying group. Just to go past the big names of Jona with guys. We know we're going hi Joan Williams. Greg little Taylor, Florida Andrei Dillard, Washington say God, you could choose to West Virginia heard at the end of the year. Mac Scharping northern Illinois, a Bobby Evans, Oklahoma junior the guards after four instrument riser economy, govern versatile center guard out of Penn State boat. Ben show, Wisconsin true, Samir, Oklahoma. Then the centers Jenkins Mississippi State, we've talked about Michael Jordan, Ohio State Garrett bradberry. NC state Eric McCoy, Texas, A and M. Dida versatile kid out of Wisconsin. There's a lot of linemen and Chuma though, really helped himself down in mobile coming out of USC. So it's a it's a pretty good group. Nate Davis Charlotte helped himself as a guard coming out this is there's a lot of offensive lineman. I think go because obviously protecting the quarterback we saw a lot of guys look at Seattle. Russell Wilson and many times says he'd get hit the Shawn Watson with Houston protecting quarterbacks keeping them upright. Not getting them hurt is critical and this year. I think in I two two and a half rounds. They're going to have a lot of offensive lineman. Come off the board. I think it's always good to end on a sixty seven name run for Mr. Kuyper. Good work. Mo thank you guys. You can find us on your favorite podcasting app. And you can subscribe rate and review. It helps us helps you you get the podcast before anybody else. Go to ESPN dot com. Check out Todd mcshay as mock drafts and Mel kiper big board. And if you turn on TV today Todd's probably on it. Hopefully, technically things are cleaner there. 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