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"So, this hearing just going to say it, it was six hours of chaos. So. So many things like individual moments of pure chaos happened this hearing. But because every member of Congress was only given five minutes to ask the questions in and they moved on, no one could process the moments of cash. So here are some things that happened during this hearing. Jeff. bezos just started eating nuts on his call. That was just a thing that you started snacking for the first ninety minutes. It appears that basis had tech issues was operating in some kind of delay. So we didn't hear from him. They just answer any questions and they'd take a ten minute break Jeff. bezos could fix his computer. Amazing. Jim Jordan, who McKenna pointed out. On the show last week is always sort of chaos element. Try to talk over several members of Congress got yelled to put his mass back on floated. Just elaborate conspiracy theories. was when I say was chaos I. Don't know if there's any other way to describe it. I. Think that led a lot of people to think the hearing itself didn't accomplish its goals, but I think in many ways it did. But Kennedy you WanNa Kinda go through what the committee was trying to accomplish the themes they were pointed at in. How hearing played out, right. So okay. First off. Harkening back to last week I mentioned Jim. Jordan's mountain dew obsession. Definitely drink a handful those throughout the hearing I took notes in screen shots. So, I, called it. But regardless of their pores soda choices, there were a lot of lawmakers who definitely did their homework and I think that was really apparent throughout the entire hearing and when I look at. The picture that they tried to paint I think that became really clear in chairman Sicily's opening statements. So this is the guy who liked. And spearheaded the entire investigation from the beginning, and in those opening statements, he pointed out that yeah Apple Amazon Google facebook. There are different in a lot of ways and they exhibit anticompetitive behaviors potentially allegedly and a lot of different ways. But what they tried to pull together and was a story, and it's really hard to tell a story and five minute fragments. But what happened yesterday was Sicily. Ni, and a lot of the Democrats on the Committee wanted to point out that these companies they become bottlenecks for distribution whether that's information or just like APP stores marketplace's they control what gets distributed in how what was really key to the investigation was how? How they survey competitors. If you have so much control dominance over a market or a specific part of the tech industry, you have a lot of insight into your competitors and you can do a lot of dangerous things with that, and then lastly, after that dominance has gained, it's how they abuse it. Right? How they abuse it to make harder for small businesses in competitors and I think that's exactly what Cellini pointed out in the beginning and I think they did a poor job that storytelling throughout the process. But I think that's also our job. Right is to pull that evidence together and tell that story for them in a way that isn't like. Yes, no yelling at CEOS and like stopping them and I think by getting that in the evidentiary record doing all this questioning, I think they really did achieve their goal in the end. Yeah. I mean, I think the thing that happened sort of next to the hearing was that they released a bunch of documents from these one point, three, million documents of clutch. Over the past year, they released pretty targeted selection documents for every company showing some of this stuff, Casey, I wrote a story about. facebook. INSTAGRAM. My I'm going to frame this email or mark Zuckerberg. Literally one sentence, no period. The Andrew says I need to figure out. I'M GONNA buy instagram like I would love to just be in a place were sending that email like super casually like I got this thing to figure out and it's not like am I gonNa buy the model of the car. It's like instagram. I've been thinking of the text messages where so and so says that Mark Zuckerberg's didn't go destroy mode on instagram ever since they got that up. Case she this to Kevin and right that text was. Yes. Well, it was Kevin. System was talking to an investor and Kevin said to the investor. If we don't sell well, mark, go into destroy mode on us and the investor side probably. Of course, stray casual. So there's just a lot of documents and I think one of the functions of hearing was to get those documents into the official congressional record to make the CEO's account for them. That did not seem very successful to me. Is like a takeaway people should have from this hearing, right? No. I think a lot of people that go into these hearings are expecting like these big Gotcha moments and expecting like a lot of news and all this stuff. But it really, it wasn't oversight hearing. You know it wasn't. They didn't come. They came at this like in a report last earlier this week that they came out at as investigators. They didn't come at it to make a big show horse and pony show out of it, and yet I think the CEO's didn't. The record well enough to the extent that they could have. But there was definitely, I was expecting them to do a lot less evasion and I expected a lot less room probation with the documents, but it's just the process of a Congressional hearing. It's. It's hard to do that in a congressional hearing. But if you put those documents out there, you get the CEO's on the record a little bit who does excite this excites the FTC. J, and that's who can take this next and then it's also congress. You know they can't break up a tech company, but they can regulate going forward and it's those three key themes that I pointed out earlier that they could regulate. You know what I mean. They could legislate to forbid companies from surveying competitors and things like that, and that's where this goes. So the format of the hearing, every member and five minute chunks, it seemed very clear that the Democrats had some sort of coordinated evidentiary strategy, they would start and. And they would say, I, want to read this email to you. What did you mean by this email and then Jeff bezos would say something like I have. No idea is on works. I. Was real pattern that developed was basis really not doing or claiming he definitely knows claiming not really no way Wayne is under the thing they did or they would ask sooner Pichai about the very granular add deal google made by an ad product, and soon I, would say I'll get back to you, which is basically all responses. So the Democrats seemed like they were coordinated to move through their documents. The Republicans seem to be doing something else that also seem coordinated intentional, but what was their focus because that seemed clear split my takeaway from Jim Jordan who? We got into earlier, he he was interviewing. As if they were all Jack Dorsey. And as we talked about like, yeah, he invited Jack Dorsey to testify, but he doesn't sit on the antidote subcommittees. Anything. He says, it just doesn't matter. So it sounded to me as if he prepared questions Jack Dorsey and then it was like, oh, he's not coming I'll ask Tim Cook the same questions. Another completely crazy moment that happened just seen by and five minute chunks is that. Represented Sensenbrenner from Wisconsin Dear Sweet Wisconsin. Definitely. Asked Mark Zuckerberg why the Donald Junior was banned from twitter and mark. Zuckerberg was happening on twitter facebook and there was just like a moment of confused silence, and then he tried to move on and that just sort of floated by in the river of chaos to tell you how much chaos there was kneeling. When you started to tell that story, I thought you were going to tell the story about when Jim Jordan asked him cook if the famous one, thousand, nine, hundred, four, Apple Super Bowl, AD was actually about twenty twenty cancel culture, which is another thing that really happened. I think that's out of context. He didn't ask him. He said clearly, this is. That's definitely what Steve Jobs was thinking IBM is canceled culture and Apple's going to break it with hammer and Jeff. Bezos said that social media is a nuance destruction machine and all this crazy stuff from that. It was a wild will that that particular question when Jim Jordan asked, do you support the cancel culture mov, you could see the CEOS like. 'cause they went in order. He asks them all in order. So First Tim Cook just like basically muttered nothing. Here's like I don't. I support speech whatever. The iphone a keyboard like that was his answer. Sooner per child also, just like muttered, right? He's like Google has always supported free expression Zuckerberg like saw the opportunity and took it and the forces of liberalism I rising I, and then basis was like I cannot. I cannot do in like went for it, and that was just totally insane moment. But it also seems like the Republicans were intentional to try to create their own moments where they were yelling at CEOS about bias on platforms is obviously something cover a. At. You were paying a lot of attention that case you're paying a lot of attention to it. Do you think that was effective in creating because you know there's like a parallel conservative Universe Jim? Jordan was on Tucker. Carlson. Last night like was that effective or d think that the CEO's were able to sort of tamp down on interesting the Tucker Carlson pointed out that Google and other companies are all big donors to Jim Jordan another folks. So that is a weird side, but I think it was actually besides the moment where they mixed up twitter with facebook I. Think this was much more effective off. Off Topic yelling about technology than we usually see like are genuinely issues that like they are upset about that, they could point to largely around like cove nineteen misinformation and they could at least like pick those topics and stick to them rather than kind of asking vague questions about like, why is my phone listening to me? Well, they're definitely asked questions about why are my campaign emails getting filtered by G mail? Yes. I should. I should mention that they have really and they have all of these cases where they ask about extremely specific one off incidents that anyone who has used social media knows happens constantly. And, then turn them into a sinister pattern. But I think they managed to come off as sounding more like they understood what they were talking about the unusual. I think that was a real theme of the hearing, Casey. What did you think of this sort of bias side show that occurred? Well, I mean the the idea that conservative voices are being suppressed is foundational to the conservative movement and is behind the rise of conservative talk radio. It was behind the rise of Fox News. Now that social media exists, we have seen it in this new form, but it is sort of being presented as extra, sinister and worthy of. Some sort of legislative intervention what frustrates me about it is that much more than newspapers or or cable news like Mark Zuckerberg Dorsey. These people benefit hugely from having all possible voices on their platform. None of them is incentivized to drive conservatives off their platform. What they are incentivized to do is have rules that make the place safe and welcoming. So that people want to hang out there and so to the extent that there are issues on the platform, they've largely come because these platforms have rules. And you know you would think that a bunch of free marketeers would realize that the alternative to the system that they're so mad about would be creating a new system, but they don't seem at all interested in doing that. So I just sort of dismissed all of them as charlatans I actually thought it was interesting that the opposite track came up, which was the Stop Hey for profit campaign I kind of wasn't expecting that. The representative Raskin I believe asked facebook. Basically, why aren't you kicking more hate speech off. I forget who else asked like look is the point that you're so big. You don't care about advertiser boycotts I. Mean, you know it will here. Here is a fact that the number one complaint that facebook gets from its users, the thing that users. About. FACEBOOK is that it removes too much content and so if you're running the place, you do have to take these complaints seriously in a way. Right? It might not be you know that you shadow band conservative whatever that even means on social network in twenty twenty. But the fact that you're removing content is really upsetting people. So you can't dismiss that idea entirely, but I still don't feel like we're having that intellectually honest conversation about it. So this was definitely I feel like you can connect the you control distribution. We're GONNA show the abuses of power narrative. We got other. Democrats. With the you control distribution. You're banning conservatives right like I. Think what's Sensenbrenner Again, cups and conservatives are consumers to is that people don't realize that like fifty percent of the population in many ways. But facebook has like famous conservatives working its highest levels Kevin. We last week, we're talking about Kevin Roose keeps sharing the list. List of the most engaged content from crowd tangle. It's all conservative content, and that's so problematic for facebook that they're. They're pushing back with other metrics and graphs of their own, making the facts just aren't there, but it doesn't seem to be convincing. Brett Kevin is being asked to recuse himself from facebook case because he's like best friends with facebook I, AP I wrote a column almost two years ago. Now, arguing that conservatives were trying to redefine. Any conservative identified person having any unwanted outcome on a social network, right? So bias is your name was higher than mine in search results. Bias is used suggested that I follow a Democrat and not a Republican right, and if you take action on your policies that apply to everyone against me a conservative that is biased against conservatives, right. So and by the way I have to say this has been hugely successful because we've talked about it. How many minutes now and the longer that these discussions. Discussions. Go on. They just sort of refi people's minds. The idea that there really is a vast conspiracy to silence conservative speech because he's networks are so big millions of conservatives are having experiences like this every day, and now there is an ideology that is basically a religion for them to attach to, which is although Silicon Valley liberals are out to get. Reason I wanted to talk about the conservative side show, which in many ways was a circus is it feels like the notion that we should be punitive to the companies or mad at the company's. Bipartisan, right we were. We were not looking at a hearing where the Democrats were on the attack. Republicans are saying we love. Apple. We're looking at hearing where they were. Everyone was mad. There are a couple of exceptions to that. There were a couple of I think sensenbrenner and a few other folks were like look we want to be clear. Big is not bad. We just WANNA make sure we're not punishing you for your success, but you were like almost entirely, right? Yeah. I. Mean I. think that's it's important to. To capture that mood like Jeff Bezos Mark Zuckerberg, Tim, Cook soon. Darpa, try they usually get to finish whatever sentence they start saying. Right. They're not used to being interrupted. Their thoughts are usually like you know they get to live in complete sentences and people take them seriously here in five in intervals, they were interrupted almost every time they started speaking to be told that they were wrong that they were filibuster at one point Sicily said stop thinking is for the questions. We can just assume they're all good questions. They. Were getting yelled at and they're going yell that about a variety of things that were pretty specific. So you kind of in your kind of structure here. The first one was controlling distribution. What did you hear as a hearing went on the indicated to that? The committee had a case here? I think the apple's APP store is one thing you know charging thirty percent cuts on certain things is just controlling an APP store. It's the same thing with Amazon's marketplace. They can inherently in control what gets placed and what gets sold and you know if they want to play with search results on Amazon, they can do that, and then on facebook and Google, it's not just like products and software that's information. And it could be information when it's like Google. Google. Stealing yelps, texture views right in putting those in its little info boxes in search queries in facebook if facebook is just like an. Mation, distribution platform and. It can decide Algorithm Mickley. Knowingly. What people get to see this bution was very keen to the committee's hearing yesterday and they pointed out different aspects in which you know each company exhibited that kind of behavior. So the one that will you bring up apple? We wrote about this, say there's much emails. Apples document production is just one hundred and thirty pages of unrelated emails and whatever order see it's like scan through it. So there's a lot of little stories in there. There's one about right to repair and apple realizing it needed to repair. By watching PR people operate by reading their emails journalists. Very entertaining. They're like we had a break like here's our strategy. Here's we're GONNA. That's all in there. You can look at it, but there's a lot about the APP store itself and how they're going to use the mechanics of the APP store to control their platform, and it started at the beginning like the first emails in this production from twenty, ten there. From Phil, Schiller Steve Jobs saying, are we GONNA? Let Amazon Sell Books in the kindle store. Store, it felt like I saw an Amazon ad was hard to watch this hard to watch this ad where a person's reading a book on an iphone in the kindle APP in the pick up an android phone keep reading. He's like literally like it was hard to watch like Schiller's at home like pain what a customer is having an experience that good it really just. Heart and so he's like it was hard to watch. You fours Steve Jobs. They're like we gotta shut it down jobs is the bookstore will be the only bookstore on the APP. Store. That's the way it's going to be everyone's gotta used to it. We know that restricting payments will hurt other things, but that's what we're doing and they started there in two thousand ten and they pulled it out, and then that ladders up into everything that we've seen with, hey, ladders up into the analysis group showing up to. Apple, can pay them to say that there's independent study has revealed. Everybody has a thirty percent cut. It has landed up into Tim Cook, forwarding. He gets a letters from developers that are in this direction. It's like apples breaking my heart and he just like Ford's it. Tim, Cook forwards that email to filter credit eighty, just as thoughts like amazing like they are constantly thinking about the APP store as a mechanism of control for the platform in the leverage and other deals. So the other one was apple is this Amazon one which I have very mixed feelings on saying that this is bad or legal I'm curious for all of your thoughts famously. Did, not have the prime video APP on the Apple TV and all these other places apple, Amazon came to a deal. There's an entire presentation in this production like the slide deck of how the deal is going to work. Apple got to be the preferred seller of its own product. So third parties cancel. Apple. Products, Amazon pages, they got. They have a custom by flow. They've custom product pages, all the stuff in return. Amazon got a lower commission on the APP store and gets to Selatan products which no. No like you can rent a movie from the Amazon APP on the Apple TV, no one else gets to it in one world. This is just pure platform collision, right? Apple cut VIP deal for big companies because it wanted something and you could say this is legal in another world. It's like this is how deals work apple something valuable. Amazon s something valuable and they came to a conclusion wherever made more money and quite frankly the consumer experience platform has got better. How do you read that? Casey? That is good and fair analysis of it. I. Think I did read slightly more scandalous. Tones into it in part because apple would never acknowledge that some developers are more important to it than others even though if you assume that that's true, I think maybe one of the things that's frustrating about it is there is no transparency accountability around which developers get sweetheart deals is that once you hit a certain threshold of revenue will cut your price. Why couldn't they extend that deal to everyone right? Or is it just if we withhold something that seems particularly valuable, we can eventually drag you to the table. Table, which is sort of what seems like happened here. I think in all cases, what I'm always looking for is the accountability, right like and some sense of of equitable treatment of developers and I understand the guys are always going to get the best treatment, but it can that be publicly visible. Can it be acknowledged and there'd be routes for others to achieve that same level of success and treatment, and that I'll just seems missing here. Did you buy Tim Co? He said it twice. It was obviously A. Glimmer, of sympathy for all four CEOS. There is a lot of reporting that they had spent months preparing for this hearing like being grilled there, they'd hire outside law firms. They. Practiced they all clearly had soundbites memorized in none of them. Got To say him because it kept getting interrupted. Tim Cook had this one where he is like if we're the gatekeepers, the gates are open wider than ever. We've gone from five hundred. APPS to one point seven, he said like. A whole speech. and. The thing is there's fierce competition for developers. They don't like our store can do for android the windows. For xbox and PS. Four. Which I was like the idea that adobe is going to be like we don't want to be on the IPAD. Here's PS. Four Photoshop is insanity to me. I'm going to build a spreadsheet. APP. For the five. That's how frustrated with Tim Cook. To that ring. True to you I. Mean, there's no, it does not ring true. There is a, there is a duopoly. In the United States when it comes to smartphones, iphones have majority share in the United States and you can't say, well, you know there's there's a rogue fork of android in Malaysia that you could go develop for if you really wanted to and have that come across as a credible argument to Americans. Right it is. Natural for any monopolist to spend most of its time, arguing that it is much smaller and much less consequential as as you think it is and they're essentially always asking you to ignore what is in front of your face, which is that they are the giant. They are in control. What they say goes, and it doesn't matter which small businesses get hurt along the. The. Way I would point out that the contact and we're gonNA talk about earnings eventually. But the context for that is apple had its biggest third quarter ever this month, their revenues went up eleven percent year over year, they're making obviously making billions of dollars in their services revenue, which is a lot of the narrative around the APP stores increasing that services line. Also went up. I think it was thirteen billion. So you're right. They're very big in their earnings the day after the hearing did nothing. To reduce that impression. I want to switch to Amazon a little bit McKenna. You really focused Amazon was basis first time up there. They came at him a lot about marketplace. How did you think that went I think it went pretty good. I. Think. John Paul specifically was just like killer her questions with breakout star. Yeah. She was just like killer and she's the representative for. SEATTLE. So this is where Amazon is right. So she just like killed it and. And I think there were a couple of instances in the documents and in questioning yesterday that really pulled important things out there was like testimony from one bookseller who was like, yeah. We just can't sell a category of books and we don't know why Amazon doesn't let us do that just like testimony like that or even when it comes to like acquisitions, the ring acquisition especially, I wrote about that today through the documents and how. They said, this is for market position. This is a for technology, your talent or anything. We just bought this and that's something that base said again, yesterday he was just very clear. It's like, yeah, we do buy things market position, which is like so insane just here like the richest person in the world. But like, yeah, we're buying market position. It's just what happens. That's another one I have mixed feelings right, and by the way, people should read McKenna story because those documents have just a very funny breakdown like the pros and cons of buying. Buying ring in many of the cons like what if this turns into nest, which if you're just the verge cast listeners like it's just like the Keyword Bingo, but it's fine to say, we're buying market position like this isn't the best product out there, but it's the category of video. doorbells is not huge, right? So to by the the market leader in video doorbells is maybe the most rational use of the money. What is the problem that you think the committee was trying to show an address sense of we're just going to market position. Pointing out, they can just do whatever they want and how casual it is, and there really isn't. It's really funny to read an email like that, and we could buy it or we could just copy it or are. We could just watch. You know that was one of the emails that base from someone. Those are just three options you know and it's like just pick and choose you know. Pointed out like a lot. Just that email itself really pointed out just how easy it is for them. They used a lot of that time history to talk about copycat behaviors and to talk about just like you know buying up competitors and it just seeing that all in one little e mail having to do with the ring was like really i. think it was really kind of I opening and especially like useful for the committee. So Amazon got hit a lot for the data collection side of it of copying competitors. bezos did not seem to have great answers there. Right. So that's the. The thing they got in trouble with this. There is that Wall Street. Journal article from like April where employees were literally like, yeah. We dip into data and we use that to guide our own private label products and everybody was like Whoa and Amazon basins. Yesterday said, well, we do have a policy that bans that but giant pointed out yesterday. It's like, okay. So what's your enforcement look like you can have the policy, but like if you don't enforce it, then it's like meaningless. And then yesterday I. Think Paul was like, can you give me a yes or no answer? Do you dip into data and he's like I can't I can't give you. Yes or no, and we're just like we're looking into it. The story had anonymous sources. So that isn't very helpful to us. You know what I mean. So that was one of the main things and that Wall Street Journal article and I think it's the same kind of examples in the committee's documents. They point out specific examples like car trunk, organizers of all things. It's like weird little products like Amazon's like this is a little hot. Maybe we should do that. So I, I think. I, think they made a good case yesterday. Yesterday on that. Yeah. I mean bezos brought up that Wall Street Journal, Article himself twice, and he was like, well, your policy against it. But I can't guarantee never happened. Then there is a strange just didn't come across clear I. Think I know what the committee was trying to get at their like US aggregate seller data when there's only three sellers and then only to sellers? Yes, I. Think what they're getting at is when you're down to the aggregate data of two companies, you heard effectively looking at individual data. What is the problem? They're like the I get what you're doing. You're just reducing the denominator to get to one, but like it, why is that particular problem? Right? Well, none of these. Dipping into individual seller data and looking at aggregate data. That's not a legal. There is no law. This is all voluntary of Amazon. So they have a voluntary policy where like we can't do individual seller data, but they say nothing against aggregate and aggregate what you're getting at eight. Here you is. Does the same thing if it's just like some goofy little product they. They bring up pop stock. It's all the time before pop tops in a moment. Right? There's only like one pop. So company like you know pop soggy, it was kind of an innovative product. It's like well, if there's only two of them and use the aggregate data, you you you have everything you need to know you know about that product line looking aggregate. If that's what you decide to qualify as do you as you're looking through the other Amazon documents and other stuff. So anything jump out at you is something the committee was trying to prove or get at. The questioning seemed very focused on. Like are you using the state at a copy products? Are you buying things? You shouldn't buy. There's one question which I did not understand why came up about DMC. Take downs on twitch and Jeff as just had this look of panic in his eyes. He's like I don't know man I bought Wedge because my kids want to. Do something like that was like the side show stuff, but the real focus here, it just seemed like it was definitely in the marketplace, right? Amazon, everyone came at Amazon for the marketplace. That's what everybody knows him as like they have all these little sides. They got rain. They got Alexa Alexa was one thing too. That was kind of interesting. It's like. Are you buying things like ring to put Alexa into and dislike expand your like Titan Ism as like an Internet Internet connected home. Thing and make that more closed off and walled gardening. That was one thing. But no, it was just focusing on how much power they have to kind of change. What happens in the marketplace to kind of decide what companies in what products are able to come up on the first page of results. You know that's also something that they dug into Google and in something that one of those like themes that kind of ties everything together. We should say they all spend a lot of time talking about counterfeit goods, and why is it Amazon removed? Fake stuff from the platform and how much is it profiting off of you know selling pick rolexes? Is it surprising? The whole foods didn't show up at all they're. Like that is a really massive thing. Amazon owns that. Is it moving into a huge new product category? I think whole foods is not an online marketplace, which was the title of the hearing, not that that restricted anybody from doing anything except that, one of the things Amazon says is we have lots of competition from offline marketplaces, right? Brought up kroger a lot I mean, this is the case he's point. They all made. It seem like they were beset at any moment. They could be crushed by the likes of stop and Shop Right? Like I think the point though was really on the. Digital. Experience Consumers have and like I, don't know Ho-. Foods fits. Into that narrative, especially, because it is itself not dominant like they bought it because you needed to grow in their. Good at that at my question for you on the Amazon stuff was when you think about, we talk about two thirty a lot right like you and I in particular spent a lot time to thirty, which regulates with the platform can do with content. There's not really an equivalent of two thirty for goods on store. Right like there's some case is out there saying like you're liable for what what happens on your online store page, but Amazon doesn't have that like second order of like Messi nece around it that twitter and facebook to with two thirty, I. Mean, it gets invoked a lot for marketplace's, but it's way messier. Well, I just wanted to like this question at counterfeits question about ranking the store like they are even more free than any twitter is to to sort tweets algorithm. Algorithm clear to modern like it just their store. Do you think that they're like that Algorithm transparency? Your wire things ranked. Did you catch a sense that that's where the regulation is GonNa go. So much of the conversation around Amazon really felt like it was individuals sellers being wronged for reasons of Amazon being unresponsive or stealing. It's data. So I don't know it didn't. It didn't seem like a really big focus of the hearing, but it is a huge deal. Yeah. The, digital marketplace frame of this, which is where we have talked to. Cellini. That's where he's going right like facebook and Google very digital. They have like they don't do physical goods. Really. Apple is the APP store. It's all digital goods. Amazon is the one where it's. Front to a lot of physical things, and that is the only place where I can see this regulation needing to make some sort of like major meaningful distinction in I. Didn't see it in the hearing, but I was curious of you caught a glimmer of it. I'm not positive that they have to make a huge distinction there like depending on what they come up with because. So much of this is about their companies and whatever product they produced. The issue is more or less whether or not they're being surveilled and unfairly by targeted and crushed by that data surveillance. All right. We have gone for forty minutes. We should take a quick break. I said I wasn't going to go by company and it happens. So we should come back and talk with facebook Ango. We'll be right back. This is advertiser content. When I say utopia what comes to mind. Birds Chirping lush natural beauty dialed up and vibrant technicolor. Is it within reach. Your world world. World. explained. You are an essential part of the perfect social body. Every Body Matt Place. Everybody happy now while the peacock original series, brave new world takes place in a scientific futuristic utopia. A concept is nothing new Sir Thomas more. I introduced the theory five hundred years ago. 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These are really difficult crazy stressful times, and if you're trying to sort of cope, it could be helpful to find something that gets beyond like doom scrolling and like obsessive worried. But digs into what is really going on underneath the surface, and that's what the weeds is all about I. Matthew Yglesias. Weeds podcast here on the box meeting podcast network. This is podcast for people who really want to understand the policy debates and policy issues that shaping our world. We've seen now more than ever like how relevant policy is to our actual lives, but so much in the news isn't focused on really understanding and explaining detail way if that sounds good to you, join us for the weeds, every Tuesday and Friday to find out what's going on why matters and what we can do about it. You could download the weeds on apple spotify or wherever else you get your podcasts. Tracy. When it comes to facebook I turn to you. FACEBOOK is patience consumer of startups as what we've learned. Yeah. But you said something to me yesterday was interesting, which is everyone else's problems are forward looking and it feels like facebook's problems are actually in the past break for people explain what you mean. Yeah. So when Congress is looking at any trust with respect to these four companies for three of them, it's It's sort of about the marketplaces that their operating right now with facebook, the question is much more about should we have allowed it to buy serum? Should we have allowed it to buy WHATSAPP and most of the antitrust conversation that was around facebook yesterday was all about that. What did Mark Zuckerberg know about Instagram, and when did he know it? We wrote a story based on some documents that the house released yesterday. In which facebook has clearly identified instagram as a competitor. In at least some ways and wants to go after it and knock it off the table, and so that's kind of where the focuses their facebook and Burke did get a lot of other questions yesterday, but it tended to be much more about content moderation and things that don't have a lot to do with antitrust. So there was weird section where they asked the face. Face Research APP in the novel, Vpn? Any kind of got lost well, explain what happened and I'm curious reactions. Yeah. So facebook has a bunch of nifty tech tools to figure out what's trending which APPs or the kids using, and so that can essentially have an early warning system if it needs to consider acquiring something or more likely in these days, go out clone it. and. So Zuckerberg was asked about the way that the company uses these systems and if they are anti competitive I, think you know traditional antitrust law probably would not say copying an APP feature is anti competitive, but could lobby written in the future about it shirt I. Think the one that caught me was I mean, this is what I'm. McKenna's points from earlier is like one of the themes here is, are you so dominant that you can collect data that's unfair and then use that to crush or killer competitors, and definitely bought the Inaba VPN to do it. That's true. Now, when I've asked executives at facebook about this, what they'll say is they don't get surprised anymore. When you have three point, one billion people using your apps around the world. You know what links they're sharing, you know what they're talking about. And so you're not going to need some kind of specialized tool to know that WHATSAPP is really taking off. Right. So they would argue that, yes, these tools were useful to them, but you know at their scale, they know what's popular now, which doesn't really seem like addresses, the problem is reached. The fact that we're so big that we're all knowing is maybe not the defense that they sometimes presented as so here's what I didn't get. I thought, Zuckerberg I want to the instagram. What's about who's issues, but on the facebook research front, the data front, they him about this APP facebook research, which you were giving to teens. They were deploying with an enterprise certificate that story broke apple revoke the certificate, and all of facebook's internal APPs went dark, and this is a scandal story after story about it, they went on for two days. So I can I, don't recall that APP? Just how he you know, he remembers the day that all facebook's internal APPS went down and people couldn't go to the cafeteria. I would agree I found that answer. Extremely, ed? Persuasive. that. Do you think that was like actually strategic for him to be like, I, don't know and then come back later and correct the record I do remember when that happened I. Mean. I really don't know I mean also you know during a six hour hearing, it's also possible that you just you get flustered or you miss here something or or something because. Yeah. As as you say, I'm sure he remembers the day that apple turned off their internal APPS I mean. Honestly. Seems like an opportunity to talk about apple's market power, and the fact that you know a day of work canceled at facebook because apple got mad. But I think most of the CEO's didn't go into yesterday a wanted to pick fights with each other. It was kind of sad that they didn't. I was Kinda hoping that Tim Cook take a shot at soccer burger. Point that the other two APP platforms I was expecting it. It was there. It was. There was all there. So cellini ended and he ended the whole meeting with closing statement. He said, some of these companies didn't get broken out. They all need to get regulated in the off too much power that some of them I. don't these breaking up apple. What sort of break. Right like. The division get sent into the corner thing about what it's done. Right. Does should spin out the finder team I've always wanted to. A clean is always that they want to. They want the APP store to be separate from the IPHONE. Basically, that's the thing I always hear. Can't break I. Think you can write some strong regulations but not playing you're on store, right. But like Elizabeth Warren's point was it's cleaner if it's two companies, but it's still a gigantic remedy that I don't think there's a lot of like like consumer or public opinion is going to walk into an Apple Cup I think you'll radio at marketplace. It seems very clear that we says some of them she broken up he is talking about facebook. I have a twenty percent conference level. He might be talking with Google and Youtube as well. But if he's going to say some of the need to get broken up like it's facebook, did you hear anything yesterday that supported that conclusion or Saudi stocks I? MEAN HE I don't remember which Republican it was, but he was like the Obama FTC looked at this and they said it was minding love. Obama. Right. Like. Why would we go back in time to relook at I? Mean, there is a belief and I mean. Somebody who thinks there could be a lot of benefit in instagram and WHATSAPP being different companies from facebook. And the reason you ask. So many questions about that acquisition as you're making the case that it never should have been approved in the first place, and so now you need to remedy it. So that was actually like the entire thrust of the argument against facebook yesterday. I think, you could probably make just as good a case that Amazon after spin out aws, but lawmakers chose not to make that case. Yeah. I think that also gets into. Politics of the acquisition of the time. To his credit is like nobody knew instagram would actually be a success like we made it a success. It didn't happen by itself. I, don't know if the lawmakers. By award, these guys said, but I don't know that he actually made that case very persuasively. and. Who knows I mean? That's like anything could have happened. Right? Cram could've stayed independent and rapidly grown and overtaken facebook like that's something that could have happened. It could have kind settled into a middle zone like snapchat or twitter seems more likely to me although I think probably would have been bigger than those two but. You're never going to know I mean it is true that facebook gave Mike and Kevin it instagram enormous resources. A lot of the reasons why Mike and Kevin sold was because running tiny startup that's blowing up is absolutely exhausting Mike. Krieger. was dragging his laptop all around San. Francisco. Because the servers were melting at all times of the day whenever Justin Bieber. Posted like the site stopped working and they really we need help. Finding a person who can quickly fix this? So we don't have to like that is the reason that they were entertaining these offers and wanted to sell it. So that is also thing that happened. Do you think that that same kind of argument or approach can apply to what's up? What's up basically did not come up yesterday and all the focus on Instagram, but that's the other one, right? Yeah, and we know weirdly a lot less about that acquisition I. Think it's because people in America just have so much less love for what's APP generally. That, it's never seemed as important. What happened to WHATSAPP as what happens to instagram even though WHATSAPP, is used, you know way more, it probably has way more engagement even than instagram does so I don't know why that didn't come up as often. We know there was a competitive bidding war for that as well. Goule. Wanted it as well. You know Mark Zuckerberg made them an offer, they can't refuse. Do you think everyday Google's we should've spent more money on what's whatsapp like this could have been solved. Should have, but Google has been placed under an ancient curse that prevents them from ever making the right decision about any social product. So it was doomed never to happen. It's fun looking through the documents and watching them casually say they should buy facebook dot com. Yeah, that. Point. That is how they talk like the window into these executives just casually being like we should just this thing or maybe not, or we should just copied ourselves and kill it before it gets any traction like it's repeated over and over again last facebook question. This one is like harder to parse because I. There's a chance, it's October is just joking around but. But. He's in many of these emails. He's like the thing about startups, as you can always buy them, which I think the committee thinks is a smoking gun, right? Like facebook's entire plan is to buy the competition to get the data from wherever they get it to say, oh, man, this apps popping, we just buy it and kill it before it competes with us. I. Think he actually said at one point. That's a joke. Yes, he did and I believe that you know it was two thousand, twelve, right? He was probably still in his mid twenties. At that point, the company was a lot smaller like people were joking around like there's more loose talk when companies are younger and I do think. It was it was part of that. I think the more interesting question becomes. Let's say facebook is telling the truth about everything. Let's say they thought it was going to be a successful acquisition, but they never knew it was gonna big as it became today and they invested in it and it got super big. Okay. Well, now, it's as big as it is. Should they be allowed to keep? Keep it or should they be forced to spend it out and if you're GONNA force them to spin it out. What's the argument that you'RE GONNA. Make about why one question that I have a lot is clearly the referral they're gonNa make, and it seems like if you don't have some other reason, we've heard hints that there's some other reason, the FTC scrutinize this that will eventually be revealed. But what you're saying is the antitrust standard at the time, the Consumer Hartman stand, which is still our standard. Says, you have to prove prices will go up both products for free. You're screwed. Right? There's nothing to review because you're not gonNA prove prove that free products are gonNA get more expensive. I think it's pretty unfair if you change the standard and you go back in time and say you missed that standard. So I think there has to be something else there. Well, what was the standard by which at and T. was broken up? Right? Like presumably at and T. didn't used to be that big, and then it just got really big and then they broke it up at least. That's the thumbnail understanding I have of that break-up. Well, yeah. But then reformed itself. Right. But because of lax antitrust regulation, right? Like it wasn't a naturally occurring phenomenon that all those APPS got back to the other or was that just sort of like inattention to capitalism It's like in the seventies and eighties. This is Tim moves book the cursive bigness in the seventies and eighties Robert Bork I can't talk about Robert on this podcast. Are we doing this right now. Robert was very influential judge Appellate Judge Federal Appellate? Judge. And basically moved the antitrust law to the consumer harm standard as part of a movement called and economics. A whole thing Robert. Bork. Mostly famous because he was not appointed. He was nominated Supreme Court by Reagan but they leaked video tape rental history, and then he didn't get nominated and that is where the expression getting bork's comes from. This is all true Netflix's still has to abide by videotape data privacy act is a whole. This is all true when facebook and Netflix had some partners, Nansen? Partnership. To. Automatically share your net flicks, watch history to facebook. They're like pending the change of this law which we are working on Robert Bork. He haunts us all. I'm sorry, I can't believe this much. Yeah I. think that's just like the law changed in the in the seventies and eighties, the standard change. The conversation right now is a very much about changing it back months and months ago, pre pandemic, we had an economist from I. Think it was Nyu Thomas Philippon came on the show, and he was like look you have this natural ab test going on in the world where the European Union when it formed was like, how do we get an economy like America's? So, we'll just take their competition policies pretty good, and at the same time we changed consumer harm standard. So everything you're seeing the EU is basically our old competition antitrust standard in. You can see how active they are in everything. Here's a new consumer welfare standard. Whether you believe, this is actually a functional Ab test given. The state of both governments is up for debate, but that was his point I thought. It was spare can say.
The Big Tech Hearing Proved Congress Isn't Messing Around
"The purpose of today's hearing is to examine the dominance of Amazon, Apple, Facebook and Google. Roger the covert 19 pandemic. These corporations already stood out as titans in our economy. As American families shift more of their work, shopping and communications online, These Giants stand to profit. Locally owned businesses. Meanwhile, Mom and pop stores on Main Street facing economic price is unlike any in recent history. Rhode Island Democrat David Cellini, opening today's House hearing with the heads of the world's big tech companies. Amazon's Jeff Bezos out of Apple's Tim Cook, Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg and Google Sunder Pitch I. The foremen faced hours of questions from House lawmakers over whether they've used their superpower status to crowd out competition. And enrich themselves. The House Judiciaries Antitrust committee, which Cellini chairs has been looking into that question for the last year. Joining us to talk about the hearing today is tech expert Tim Woo. He teaches at Columbia Law School and is the author of the book The Curse of Bigness, Anti Trust in the New Gilded Age. Him welcome back to press play. Thanks for having me here. Well, you've argued for a very long time that the's tech giants have gotten too big. What do you think today's hearing accomplished in terms of getting more support to break them up? Well, they I think there are you know, for the first time, putting the most intense documents right in front of them and seeing how they react, and I think what we've gotten out of them, especially on Facebook. Is already some admissions of anti competitive intent that to my mind, make the case for filing a complaint even stronger. And what were some of those admissions that you heard today. Well, Ah. Mark Zuckerberg was questioned about by Jerry Nadler about the his. Ah, why he bought Instagram and pretty much Zuckerberg admitted they were ah, dangerous competitors. We sought to eliminate them at Natalie reminded him that it's illegal to buy off competitors because I don't want to compete with them, and they left it there. But, yeah, that was, I think a big admission and the main thing I've taken from the hearing so far. But isn't that part of business of hostile takeovers and trying to squeeze out the competition isn't part of the American way of doing business, so there's a difference between beating out your competitors and buying them. And since about 18 90. It's been illegal to buy a company just because you're sick of competing with him. You know, you could imagine. Let's take Coke was tired of Pepsi People's Children, Coke and Pepsi, you know and said, All right, forget it. We'll just buy each other and, you know, settle the so so Now it's been illegal since 18 90 or so. Right. So when it comes to Facebook, what about the issues of how it Spreads misinformation, especially campaign misinformation, and, you know, fake news for lack of a better term. Yeah, I know. It hasn't so far. Um, it has a little bit sorry, especially hate speech. I think the big issue there that they're focusing on and Is this idea that that Facebook has an impunity because they have such a secure market position that they're not really afraid of advertising boycotts. They're not really afraid of people leaving That's the least a point that the House representatives were trying to make, and so therefore they don't really have an incentive to clean up their act. What about the other companies? Amazon that also has incredible market share. Can you first catalogue just how big Amazon is and how much bigger it's gotten since the current virus epidemic? Yeah, you know, the Amazon has closed in on the market cap of 1.5 trillion They have 280 billion in revenue. They have increased dramatically. Actually, stock prices increased since the beginning of the Corona virus by I don't know the exact percentage don't want to get it wrong, but by a tremendous amount, in fact, And there was one day in which Jeff Bezos gained $13 billion personally, so they are the biggest of big attack for the first part of hearing they didn't get any questions, but representative Dia Paul brought it in accusing them. Of lying in front of Congress about how they treat third party sellers and pressing bass. Those hard on how he runs his marketplace. So they they, they've got some of they've got some fire. Coming in. Yeah, I guess the problem. There is not only well they sell, you know products from third parties always there slow selling their own products, and so they are. I guess in competition with 1/3 party supplies on their own platform. How does that work? I mean, that's I think the acquisition or the problem is that people worry that Amazon has become more or less the dominant online retailer. They have some competition Homer, but you know, more or less dominant. So you make it on Amazon are Or you don't make it at all. And if that's the marketplace, the prospect of You come up with successful thing? I don't know Better mousetrap, and then Amazon makes their own copy of it. So the Amazon version of it and then sells it for less. You know, that turns into a sucker's game, and I think that's been the main complaint about Amazon is ah, less that they You know about their competitors or something but more that they have turned the marketplace into something of a rigged game for their own products. Right and a sweet noted Jeff Bezos is the world's richest man. Right now, the company is you outline is just so big. It's hard to even wrap your mind around it. Is there any way you could break up Amazon or hasn't just become too big to break up? That's a good question. You know, it hasn't been subject to a lot of discussion, probably for the reasons you suggest. Most of scrutiny of Amazon is how they treat the marketplace. I think for a true old school antitrust type who just believes that too much power to concentrated should always be broken. Would want to switch, you know, break Amazon into some kind of pieces. One way might be to break off their Web services division, which is a dominant in its space. You could also imagine, as with it and t breaking it into baby Amazons. I guess that are supposed to compete with each other. But I know it hasn't been unlike Facebook and even Google. Has been talks about how would you break them up? Think Amazon. It's been more about can they? Can you get them to run their at their market place better? And then Google. Obviously a search giant and it's become a verb. It's such an intimate part of who we are at this point again. How would you break up Google if you could It's a good question. Let me let me say that Google has come under fire this hearing both from Sicily knee on the idea that they are essentially eating their ecosystem That is to say. You know if you if you like like with Amazon actually similar that if You know, you could come up with a really successful Web service of some kind in your sort of small enough that Google will make a version of it and then send all the traffic to it so that that's the accusation against them. As for you know, what would you do to Google one You could say, don't do that. That's what the Europeans are trying to dio. Another would be to say, Well, listen, it Google, you run the search part and just leave it there. Don't do everything else. Okay. Maybe run Gmail, maybe right maps. But all these other little things that are just clones of other companies. Stay out of that, or make them be independent companies. I should add. By the way, there's you know, I'm maybe we get to this, but there's been AH, Google face us a lot of Republicans during the hearing, talking about different issues. Trying to get Google to admit that it Ah Is too friendly to China. Eyes too unfriendly to the US Pentagon. That's been another theme of this hearing is that I think should be mentioned. Well, you bring up China, and I guess the argument against breaking up these companies is that they're competing against Chinese companies, which In many cases have the backing of the state and there's there's no limit to their monopolistic practices. And so if these are global companies, should there be different rules when it comes to monopoly now than there were, you know, back in the 19th century. Yeah. Or the 20th? Yeah, that is the argument. So you know, kind of goes like this. If you break up Facebook or make fix books, life difficulty the Chinese will take over. It's kind of a national champion like argument. So we have to have our guys. Um I don't find it convincing at all. Last time we heard that kind of argument was when Japan was the all great mighty power that was going to take over everything in America. And they said it so you can't break up the tea and you can't break up IBM. I think we've had a better track record. Forcing American companies to be competitive. It's not breaking them up, at least putting him under heavy scrutiny like Microsoft and hoping a new generation arises. So yeah, I think that's a pretty lame excuse not to enforce the law that put it that way. So what do you think is going to come out of this? You know, I think from what I've heard there was some documents that were coming out of this that nobody has seen. And I think they put more pressure on the administration and also the states to file complaints. I would not be surprised if Google ends up on the receiving end of an antitrust complaint before November. And after this hearing, I wonder of Facebook's gonna get 12 or whether that's going to be something that the election decides. But, yes, I think it adds to the pressure to file actual cases as opposed to talking about it.
Big Tech CEOs Testimony Before Congress
"Today was the day as I record these words the big tech CEO's are still testifying before Congress. So I'm going to have to do a summary of what I've seen just in the first couple of hours or so and leave some of the juicier question and answer back and forth for tomorrow. I up a note on the format that we've been seeing. Yes. All of the CEOS were testifying remotely. They were using Cisco Webex as the video conferencing tool and it seemed to work fairly well at least right until this very moment as I turned off the stream to go into the booth to record this, they took a ten minute recess because apparently one of the witnesses. was having an issue with their stream or feed, and I'm wondering if it might have been Jeff Bezos because at least thus far were almost an hour and a half into the testimony and he hadn't been asked a single question. Anyway back to the whole idea of testifying remotely if I were going to do one of those rate, my video call backgrounds reports. Bezos look like he was in some sort of executive boardroom, lots of tasteful Chomsky's behind him. Look like he was in a conference room at a high end law firm I couldn't tell what Zuckerberg was sitting in front of it looked like closed vertical blinds almost like I don't know some sort of like a bunker like if you're battening down your house for a Hurricane Tim, Cook was in front of some sort of tasteful plant trough though he was clearly working off an ipad pro. Let's start off with what the Fab four had to say in their opening statements. Amazon's Jeff bezos underscored Amazon's job creation, its investments in social causes and its role in supporting small and medium-sized businesses. And made the case that Hey Amazon is just a tiny competitor in a huge global market quote. The global retail market we compete in is strikingly large and extraordinarily competitive Amazon accounts for less than one percent of the thousand five, trillion dollar global retail market and less than four percent of retail in the US unlike industries that are winner take all there's room in retail for many winners for example. More than eighty retailers in the US. Alone earn over one billion dollars in annual revenue like any retailer we know that the success of our store depends entirely on customer satisfaction with their experience in our store every day Amazon competes against large established players like target Costco Kroger and of course, Walmart a company more than twice Amazon size, and while we have always focused on producing a great customer experience. For retail sales done primarily online sales initiated online are now in even larger Growth Area for other stores Walmart's online sales grew seventy four percent in the first quarter and customers are increasingly flocking disservices invented by other stores. Amazon still can't match at the scale of other large companies like curbside pickup and in store returns and quote alphabets. Soon, Darpa, Chai, said that Google also operates in a highly competitive. Market and that it's free products benefit the average American quote. A competitive digital ad marketplace gives publishers, advertisers, and therefore consumers an enormous amount of choice pichai stated, for example, competition and ads from twitter instagram comcast and others has helped lower online advertising costs by forty percent over the last ten years with these savings pass down to consumers through lower prices in areas like travel and real estate Google faces strong. For search queries for many businesses that are experts in those areas. Today's competitive landscape looks nothing like I. Did five years ago let alone twenty one years ago when Google launched its first product Google search people have more ways to search for information than ever before and quote. Tim Cook of Apple said that the APP store has opened the gate wider for software developers. Also, apple doesn't have dominant market share quote as much as we believe, the iphone provides the best user experience. We know it is far from the only choice available to consumers Cook said after beginning with five hundred APPs today the APP store hosts more than one point seven, million, only sixty of which are apple software. Clearly, if apple is a gatekeeper, what we have done is open the gate wider we want to get every APP we can on the store, not keep them off and quote. And facebook's mark. Zuckerberg said well, but he said a thousand times before that facebook knows it has more work to do on things like fighting misinformation and that you know companies aren't bad simply because they're big. And he took pains to point out that facebook is an American success story quote although people around the world use our products. FACEBOOK is a proudly American company. He said, we believe in Values Democracy Competition Inclusion and free expression that the American economy was built on many other tech companies share these values, but there's no guarantee our values will win out for example China. Is Building its own version of the Internet focused on very different ideas and they are exporting their vision to other countries as Congress and other stakeholders. Consider how antitrust laws support competition in the US. I believe it's important to maintain the core values of openness and fairness that have made America's digital economy, a force for empowerment and opportunity here and around the world and quote. In his opening remarks, the chairman of the Committee David. Sy-. Selena Rhode. Island. Laid out three areas of inquiry that the was scheduled to delve into at least in questioning from the Democratic Congress folk more on that in A. Quitting CNBC, each platform allegedly serves as a quote bottleneck for a key channel of distribution and quote the platforms allegedly used their control over digital infrastructure to Sir Vail other companies, their growth business activity, and whether they might pose a competitive threat and use that information to maintain their own power and third the platforms allegedly abused their control over current technologies to extend their power through tactics like self referencing their own products. Quote. Prior to the cove nineteen pandemic, these corporations already stood out as titans in our economy. Silly said in the wake of Covid nineteen however, they are likely to emerge stronger and more powerful than ever before, and he concluded by saying quote, our founders would not bow before a king nor should we bow before the emperor's of the online economy and quote? But as I say, while this was labelled as an anticompetitive antitrust inquiry, it seems like the Republican Congress folk were primarily interested in probing alleged bias against conservative users. In fact, Jim Jordan. One of the ranking Republican representatives spent most of his opening remarks railing against. which if that continues would basically be exactly what all of the CEOS in the talking head boxes would be hoping for right lots of distraction and no real spotlight on them. In fact, a lot of the most heated questions directed at a company that's not even present. We'll see if that continues but I have to say straight off Chairman Sicily and was very specific targeted sharp questions. He kept interrupting folks when they started to stray into doublespeak and the very nature of the questions from him and others at least so far. This wasn't like previous congressional hearings we've covered where the congress folk didn't seem to even understand the businesses they were investigating, and maybe that was because I don't know if you saw the woman sitting very prominently very obviously behind Mr. Cecil lean. Let me let the Washington Post fill you in on who that was quote as a twenty eight year old law student Lena Con penned a twenty four thousand word article for Yale Law Journal titled Amazon's antitrust. Paradox. The article described how US antitrust law isn't equipped to deal with tech giants such as Amazon. Even as the company has made itself as essential to commerce in the twenty first century in the way that railroads and telephone systems had in the previous century con now works as counsel for the antitrust subcommittee she has worked with Sylvain to develop his case against the tech giants including Amazon and quote. As I said, the questioning is continuing as I speak these words in fact I just heard that they came back from their recess. The whole thing did kick off hour late only getting started at one PM, eastern? So I don't think it'll be done before for five PM at least. So again, I'll put together a summary of all of the juicy exchanges happening now for tomorrow.
Italian coastguard struggle to free sperm whale from fishing net
"Ah fight to free fury. Massive sperm whale caught in an abandoned fishing net off the coast of Sicily is the focus of a frantic attempt by the Coast Guard to free the mantle. The whale was spotted over the weekend, struggling to get free of the kind of net usually illegally used to catch swordfish. Coast Guard have nicknamed the Whale fury. Given its frantic though so far few tile efforts to break free scientists expressed anger at the Nets, which recently entangled another whale.
Delay fall school reopening, Los Angeles teachers union says
"The teachers union says schools should stay closed for the fall semester because of the ongoing danger from covert. 19 United Teachers lay president Sicily. Meyer Cruz says lives hang in the balance if campuses reopened, while cases continue to spread at a high rate. The union's board issued the recommendation for schools to stay closed, and today it begins pulling its members to gauge where they stand. The board cited a lack of state and federal funding for increased health and safety measures and what it called the lack of time for the district to put together the detailed plans needed for a safe return to campus. L. A Unified superintendent Austin Buechner said this week that No final decision has been made about reopening schools when the new term starts next month. But he says, Ah, full return to the classroom is highly
Military confirms body found was that of Houston-native Vanessa Guillen
"Confirming confirming the the remains remains found found there. there. The The base base last last week week are are those those of of specialists specialists Vanesa Vanesa G G in in a a woman woman from from Houston Houston who who was was missing missing since since April. April. Deputy Deputy Commander Commander Scott Scott F. F. Lind says that they will investigate claims that gay and was sexually harassed. The army will not stop its efforts to eradicate sexual harassment, sexual assault. Until it no longer exists in our formations because that's the Army standard. I'll continue seek external assistance to review to ensure any shortcomings indicated during this troubling time or thoroughly identified and addressed is appropriate. Another soldier specialist, Aaron Robinson, killed himself. Last week His officers were coming to arrest him. Instigators believe that Robinson killed Ginn, then hidden disposed of the body with the help of a civilian Sicily, regular regulars in custody on evidence tampering charges.
Remains of missing Fort Hood soldier identified, lawyer says
"A lawyer for a missing Fort Hood soldier says U. S. Army investigators have positively identified her remains Rachel Ozer Lindley with member station Keira reports. In a statement, the family's lawyer says the army confirmed that the bones, hair and other remains found belonged to Vanessa G. N G N had been missing since April 22nd. Investigators say a male suspect in the case specialist Aaron David Robinson, killed her with a hammer and recruited another woman, Sicily, Aguilar to help him mutilate and hide the body. Robinson shot and killed himself as he was being approached by law enforcement.
Charity: Rescue ship gets OK to bring 180 migrants to Sicily
"Run ship to disembark. 180 migrants rescued in the Mediterranean after a standoff lasting more than a week. The news comes two days after the ocean Viking declared a state of emergency onboard. It's operator. The French charity, Eso es Mediterranee said the mental health of some of those picked up in the seas off Libya had deteriorated to such an extent that it feared for their safety and that of the crew. It's reported fights, hunger strikes and suicide attempts. The migrants who include North Africans, very trains, Nigerians and Pakistanis will be transferred to a vessel chartered by Italy's government, where they'll have to spend two weeks in quarantine. BBC's Danny Everhart reporting. Keep floodwaters and the risk of
PS5 Games 'Soon' - What Is Sony's Next-Gen Lineup
"We do have a lot to talk about actually this week even though again soon he will not give us specifics about the. Ps Five chances are the specifics will go live twenty minutes after we record but we did get a decent amount of information thankfully after the. Gosta of Sushi mistake play. Thanks to an interview. We were able to do here. Jan and we got a little bit of a teaser about the. Ps Five and games coming soon. We'll get to that in a second but if you are wondering why we're not going super in depth on the go sushi. Maceda play itself. It's because we recorded a second so last week so if you happen to catch that episode you're not subscribe to any of our feeds. Go check that out. Go subscribe go here all thoughts about that and we will have some of your thoughts later on in this episode. But I I did WANNA talk about. That nebulous announcement. That news is coming so we got word from Sony. The parent company Wide Sony. Ceo Saying that quote we will soon be announcing a strong lineup of PS five games. And that's pretty much it We don't have a date or any sort of window or how that will come about but we know that they are now saying. Sony will be announcing a slate of PS Games soon. And so that could mean first Party Games. It could mean exclusives multiplatform games. We don't really now but I don't know how you guys feel but being stuck like it's nice to hear that the top of the company is acknowledging the five but it still in this weird nebulous soon way right. Yeah I think I think our best bet is to jam together a whole bunch of third party and First Party announcements at the same time. I don't really see them coming out with like this gigantic lineup of First Party. Stuff announcements like that feels Well first of all you have to of their biggest studios are still shipping product in the next few months. Then you have you know what Santa Monica's it's GonNa Take Them I. I honestly don't think we're going to hear anything about a new four game for a while or whatever. They're working on And then you have like media molecule with dreams and stuff like that like there's a bunch of stuff that just happened and even you know a Sony. Bend like I feel like they're gonNA. I don't think that they're ready for any announcement. I mean we really just got. It wasn't too long ago we got days gone. It's still getting updated Like I have a feeling we're GONNA get a lot of sort of like. Here's the special edition five additions. Type stuff like there'll be a lot of like. Ps Four Games on steroids. There'll be a lot of like here's confirmed third party stuff. There'll be a lot of games as a service stuff that we expect launch already Someone else since we know someone else since we don't think the best idea for them is just jam as much information as possible. But I'm not really expecting a ton of big first party stuff right now. I think the The announcement that they plan on announcing things is sort of sort of infuriating. I I feel like we see this. A lot from CEO's Bob. I was always doing that. Whereas like yeah we got the damage show in the works or whatever and people are like what like blurt something out in earnings call. And it's like there's no. There's no podium Ryan show that I'm aware of I was thinking of Kassian Indoor but anyway I you know his stuff out. And it's like you're the head of the company if you want to announce some stuff maybe you know. Kick marketing the ASS and be like how do we? How do we raise brand awareness? And how do we get people excited about working on 'cause to sort of being like older? Han? It'll be ready in a minute as like a non announcement yet again. Yeah I would. I would take anything at this point. I think any any kind of teaser. I would take some Sicily logo reveals you know. Maybe we got. We got our first look at the playstation five in the form of a still image of an obvious logo and A A three two and a half pictures of controller. Like maybe maybe video of literally anything like we got that that sizzle like playstation studios or Sony Studios or whatever and it's like just just make something did make some mixim. Buzz make some higher. They just get us excited about literally just like any little thing. What you said about First Party Studios I think is is kind of a given I I mean I imagine they're probably GonNa Buddy up with with a few third parties and do some exclusive reveals and like you always say yeah just like for the love of God. Just give us anything just any anything. The first party be That both brought up is really interesting because I was looking back at it the last time. We got like really big proper far-reaching sort of announcements about first party games was twenty seventeen We got games like concrete. Genie was announced that era. Ghosts Sushi was announced that year. And then of course On the loss legacy and less partout were both announced twenty sixteen. Same We Got Spiderman and God of war at the same time. I believe Sony really put everything out there between two thousand sixteen in two thousand seventeen and so it has been years since most of their First Party. Stable safer of course. Mlb and stuff like that that we've seen anything from them new it really been sort of. Alec. The final three ish years of the cycle have been what I party has been working toward announced this weird quiet mystery of do they go next. I think that's good to a point like I've I've praise them for this. Because I think if you if you do a little info drop and be like. Hey it's a it's almost ready if you know announce a game three years in advance and then pop up every six months to be like check it out. Here's another trailer people just lose interest whereas if you if you don't have anything to say people don't have anything to look forward to. I totally agree with both of you. Guys I feel like in a normal era Like in a random ASI three year It's it's kind of a Faux Pas to just show a a logo for something that doesn't really exist yet or won't for a while but I think that at the dawn of the new console when you WanNa get people invested in this ecosystem for the next few years. That's sort of okay. It's still cheating and it's still kind of dirty but it is. I do think that it's yeah. You're going okay like if you if you get this thing in November. You're buying a new assistant will eventually deliver X Y Z Z and like to clarify record said earlier. We we we named a few studios their own like I didn't even scratch on INSOMNIAC or anything like that had nothing. I'm expecting them to deliver a launch game But I think that if they say hey were working on something that could happen in the next year year and a half or twenty twenty one. Then you know all right. I'm buying this thing in November and I'm GONNA kick around place in my favorite games on some games of his service. Third Party stuff But in twenty twenty one. I'm getting Spiderman than whatever
Pick a Plan and GET AFTER IT
"Leadership means firmness not harshness or bullying understanding not weakness justice erase the freedom humaneness not intolerance generosity not selfishness pride. Not Egotism so little quote for you kick things off. This is coming very I ran across it the other day and as I ran across it I saw some of little bit of the dichotomy leadership in there and it just caught my attention. And it's a quote General Omar Bradley General with a good amount of name recognition but a general who kind of flew under the radar sometimes because he was competing with some some big names. You know he's competing with General Patton. He's compete with General Eisenhower. He's competing with General Montgomery so he kind of flew under the radar sometimes even though he does have the Bradley fighting vehicle named after him which is a awesome machine but he absolutely was a well regarded general in his own right born in eighteen. Ninety three in Randolph County Missouri worked as a boilermaker figured out he could get a free education by going to west point so he went to West Point graduated in Nineteen fifteen same years. Eisenhower by the way he was a really good athlete. Baseball Star could've played pro ball but chose to be in. The army chose to go and do his commitment to the army. One thousand nine hundred fifteen. You're probably thinking World War. One W W well. He actually didn't go to World War One and World War One. There were mining disputes in the unions in the in the minds up in Montana and they had to activate some army units to send them up there to guard the minds. And that's what he did. He did that for a little while. And then he did go to unit that was getting ready to deploy to World War One. The Spanish flu came which everyone seems to know about the Spanish flu. Now and there then there was the armistice and he didn't deploy so he didn't get any combat action in World War. One thought that that might hurt his career but he stayed in anyways ended up teaching tactics at the infantry school fast forward through the peace years may general in one thousand nine hundred forty two assigned the eighty second division the Twenty Eighth National Guard division eventually worked under General Patton as the deputy in charge of Second Corps and then took it over himself led the campaigns in Tunisia and Sicily. Ike Eisenhower selected Bradley to command the First Army during Operation Overlord D Day Command. He commanded the most troops of any general. Us General in history when he took command of the twelfth on weaker. One point three million troops to little decentralized command. Better come into play right there. Continue with all those troops to push through Europe until the fall Germany. We covered Ernie. Pyle on this podcast. Podcast number thirty nine. His book brave men. It was the heavies for my favor. Lines Ernie pyle nicknamed him the G. I. General because he was kind of a laid back down to Earth Guy didn't make a spectacle of himself. After the war he ran the VA for a while. The Veterans Administration I ever chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. During the Korean War retired in nineteen fifty-three after thirty eight years of service I found day. The Internet is amazing. I found any evaluation. You know we talk about the evaluations evaluation in the Marine Corps evaluation the navy evaluation. I found an evaluation of Bradley written by General Patent. Pretty cool because it shows it shows what type of a person patent was just in the way he wrote this thing so it says subject efficiency report through commanding general NATO USA APO five thirty four to add adjutant General War Department Washington DC name and grade of General Officer reported on Omar F Bradley Lieutenant General Period covered one July nineteen forty three to eight September nineteen forty two months in eight days duties performed commanding general to core one July nineteen forty three to eight September nineteen something unclear manner of performance superior F- Physical Activity Superior Physical Endurance Superior Knowledge of his profession superior for what command or duty would you specifically recommend him and army and then what opportunities have you had for observing him during period covered intimate daily contact. Does he rendered a willing and generous support to plans of superiors regardless of personal views. In the matter yes which is a very interesting topic to cover mean you think about what they've got in their physical duty not knowledge of his profession. What job would you recommend? Does he give generous supports to plans of superiors regardless of his personal views. No matter so this guy's going to back you up. The answer is yes and ten of all general officers of his grade. Personally known to you. What number would you give him on this list? And how many comprise your list and patterns answer is number one. I know all of them. Further remarks deemed necessary. None signed G. S. junior lieutenant general. Us Army commanded. So that's pretty awesome review. The interesting thing is if you know anything about the history of Bradley and Patton. There's some interesting dynamics. They first of all had very different personalities. Patent was you know flashy and go ego driven in a lot of ways and and Bradley was not and there's some quotes I pulled from patents journal Journals About Bradley. So it's interesting that he can have these right in that glowing like evaluation about him to try and get him promoted but at the same time here are some things he said about him. Bradley's to Conservative. He wants to wait until we can all jump into the fight together. By which time half our men will be. We'll have the flu trench foot. I wish he had a little more daring. Another one. Bradley is a good offer. Buddy utterly lacks it too bad. The IT Factor Echo Charles. Next one brag is a man of great mediocrity on the other hand. He has many attributes which are considered desirable. In general. He wears glasses which I have no idea I have no idea why. That's cool to be a general glasses. He has a strong jaw. He talks profoundly and says little and he is a shooting companion of our present chief of Staff. General Marshall also. He is a loyal man. I consider him to be among our better generals
"sicily" Discussed on Where Should We Begin? with Esther Perel
"Talking about his two year old son who ran away from him and instead of running after him and protecting him he got involved in a brawl with another driver and she picks up that he's tried and he's doing with another man was more important in that moment than protecting his boy in a dish destroyed. Harris tremendous meaning for both them. He is the third child that she wanted and that he did not use. The child will be placed in the loss of another child. We should they have not mourned well together. And when she got upset with him and he pushed her type of intimate sides that ensued created links in her memory. That were unmistakable. And this is Joe. Yes John Lesser Me then. Very best it was like Blah that Phil Donahue is broken. You can use new so when he pushed for her. It was like a blast of broke that you can glue but it will broken especially because of the residents of that behavior. Wait her own. History in.
Italy hit hard by coronavirus outbreak
"Coronavirus situation in Italy is making European officials very nervous the number of cases in Italy jumped by one hundred in a twenty four hour period bringing the number of people sick with the virus to three hundred and twenty two the new cases include one well outside the it to hard hit regions of northern Italy it has become the epicenter of Europe's virus outbreak including three in Sicily in two in Tuscany coronavirus deaths in New Delhi currently stand at
Canary Islands hotel quarantined after virus confirmed
"The quarantine was applied off to an Italian dot to staying at the hotel tested positive for the new virus evidence that the epicenter of the outbreak in Europe is spreading with vacationing Italians the doctor comes from Italy's north which is registered most of it is two hundred and eighty plus cases he's not being placed in isolation at the medical clinic in Tenerife Spanish news media says the hotel is now in lockdown and it's one thousand tourists prevented from leaving the virus is also being spread by tourists traveling with initially as the southern island of Sicily reported a positive case from the north of the country I'm Charles the last my
Kate Murdoch Discusses Her Newest Masterpiece 'The Orange Grove'
"You've traveled through France you probably went to the side live. You could only wonder at the opulence of the King's palace petition. Also wonder how the French court operated will thanks to Cape Murdoch. We get an idea. Welcome back again you descriptions of the palace and what the people were wearing lean and even the food that was served. We're really vivid. There was a lot of research he must have done. Yes and it also comes about because of my because I was an office for so many years. So grading visuals is really important to me. I like to read visuals and I like to write them. So yeah that's part of it. Also but yes I had to get. Did you know there are a number of things like at one stage. I had a carriage clock on a mantle and carriage clocks when invented like that new I was constantly rating like I did a number of proofs just obviously for those types of things and what about the Masa Pancake. Yes I came across that somewhere and I can't remember Web ed but there was something like that Croatia's on point for the coach and Yes it was as realistic as possible. this was all around seventeen fifty seventeen. I five seventeen o five so the louise were in prisons whether the fourteenth But the book is called the Orange Grove. And that's not in beside who owns the Orange Grove and palace the duke and Duchess Stumbles Linage and yes. It's a beautiful chateau. It's an Orange Grove and extensive grounds and manicured gardens will well. He's Juke Hugo let's make it easy and The touches Charlotte now. They have a daughter Amelia. But there's also a number of mistress yes as mistresses and up to this. You know the time. The book said they've all been co-existing quite happily. It hasn't been too many problems uh-huh but all of a sudden that changes with the arrival of the new mistress Latisha. Well what I couldn't believe is the the duchess in the five mistresses. All went out from a picnic and they had a very cordial social time. They even discuss the merits of marriage over missing. That's right I take it with your research. Could that conversation really go on. Yes I believe so because I think that the tension amongst these women would have reached a fever pitch at times and that was the whole the whole idea of that was what got me rushing. This story in the first place is because very early on. I read a In academic paper about Prince of the time who had twelve mistresses and they all followed behind in these carriages and they all had the same You know Equi posh was the word that's used to end the same library and everything was the same and this immediately intrigued me and I thought well how would they get along. Would they be friends with any of them be friends and most importantly how with the wife handle the situation and this is set up so you know the the same that you referred to. I'm usually the mistress's know what to say. And what not to say. And they keep keep the council and they they ruffle her the duchess's feathers but in that particular sane on riot decides to stand up to her a little beach to the shock. Give it all the other women. So what what. Why didn't why didn't the duchess the other mistresses like the newest the fifth mistress? While she's she's very young and beautiful for one and she's also someone who gecas actually fallen in love with so. That hasn't happened before. No what I call her. The child concrete and will of course if the king is falling in love with her. He's not having any relationships with any of the other mistresses press'. Well maybe but you know this elaine who is desperately needs his Not Much affection but his logistics logistics. Shall we say yes. What's her problem? Well she's desperate for love wherever she can find it. She's a very insecure person. She's he's definitely being threatened. Yes and her husband. I'm lates laugh. That costs a lot of money. He's Gambler and She has to continue to fund him. And you know her. His life is dependent on her success within that setting so yes it isn't you've mentioned Henry Henry and Well she is actually had a daughter by the king yes salon challenge Sir There's another child around to the SES. Isabela neither mistresses son. Thomas and I I would win the fifth Mistress the teasha becomes pregnant. Everybody will only everybody else worries if it's Zahn years and that was the other thing that I should've mentioned that the other reason that she's a threat because up to that point the duchess hasn't been able to provide an air and so she realizes houses. This young girl could really position by by doing that so when she asks yes when she becomes pregnant the stakes are raised even higher which leads to some a lot of people having a grudge against Latisha and wanting to do her harm. That's the two children children. Thomasson Solange have the run of the palace the Orange Groves secret. They like to go there to hide and seek they also like to play hide and seek in the palace and to learn a lot of the palace secrets. Yes they learn about law. By what's Li- Li- is a substance that was used for cleaning and I decided to have it be used Chew Harm. I'm someone in the story if I want to go. We knocked telling her LA is placed in undergarments and causes quite a bit image. So yeah it Welson Rashes in hates and faints. Oh well that's not the only damage and here. I'm passing being A. I'm going to get Cape Murdoch to read from page one hundred seventy nine. Because this is all about a black doc mass. Let's say crucifixes must be inscribed on the soles of the fate the celebrant should be cloaked in black back and naked beneath the ideal animal for sacrifice is a girl or a peak the vessel should be placed on the naked body of a woman in place of consecrated bread we must use a decompose turnip and the blood of the slaughtered animal. Replaces the consecrated wine. Madam Fulbright gave a wicked smile. Her eyes glinting. I'll kill the peak having had experienced at the task. Where is the best place for the mass to be performed? Charlotte pondered the question gazing out of the pavilion windows towards the Orange Grove. It's symmetrical rows of trees. Stretching into the distance. The tree canopies with thick and the leaves glossy casting deputy sheriff as long the gravel pathways ace the Orange Grove Child Charlotte replied. No one will see us and made all that foilage. Sorry the reason for this. Who is she doing who she actually getting? The black mess said four. You'll have to read to find out now this isn't the owning mythical magical magical todd Thing in this terret cod readings. Yes so there's a character called remand Davila who comes to the Chateau and he's purposes to entertain attain the women with his he's ratings and the civil Rating Terry waiting saints throughout the novels. So I started to try and write them and it just was not feeling rush. I thought I'm really going to have to learn to read them because otherwise people are going to read it and they'll be able to tell that I have no idea what I'm hoping so I teach you sat up pack of the cards and when I started looking at them and looking at some of the descriptions of of at all I was very skeptical. This is a load of rubbish and then as I kind of didn't more and more I ended up kind of locking them and now I have my pack. It's interesting because you know you do the ratings. And we we hear about king of swords and seven of swords and all these other ones and and of course with the insider of an author you can go back and write whatever you like but as we're reading way building story and I had to laugh about this because because you know they was at. It was really professional. Tear raiders in the courts. At the time I didn't rate of that specifically now that I thought it it was quite possible to have somebody like that. Yeah I mean. There are all kinds of entertainments that they had the time. I'm the opera ballet was featured in the novel is certainly. There's out if it was your written with an artist cy looking at it I look I laughed about this. The Professional Tara Cod Rita. Now I think the best fortune telling was done by his prostitute friend who said you are a bad man with noble intentions. Didn't you will be good. You just don't know it yet but there are forged love letters jewell secret visits to a convent and a priest who is tout told to doll his heart. Blood with frigid air prayer and whip but back to the side with all the court his planning and plotting and scheming. It's the Esto. The Duke and Duchess is twelve year old daughter. WHO's introduced or my case in the hope? He would remember her in years to come but it wasn't her. It was the word games that he played with. LETITIA captivated him yes well. She ended up playing with Madame for Bray and he was watching and he is nine as has being very good at the word Games of course and yeah I think just they conversation they they start to be quite interested in another but it's very forbidden. ooh ooh forbidden stuff. This cade Murdoch. You've given US seventeen o five France Orange Grove. The previous book was Stone Circle Cool Sixteenth Century and Nixon's nineteen twenty Sicily just keep revolving around but the book. I've been speaking with kite today. About what is the Orange Grove published by Regal House publishing. Thank you came over
"Hello and welcome to. Who Aviation Week's check six podcast where this week? We are at the Heli Expo. Twenty twenty conference in Anaheim California I'm Guy I noticed. The senior Serb based in Los Angeles and with me is Mike Hershberg Executive Director of the Vertical Flight Society and Tony Osborne who've courses our London bureau chief and well known rotor heads expert at four so gentlemen thanks very much for for being here Just like to say that sadly of course the start of the show was inevitably overshadowed by the tragic accident last week and which took the life of Basketball legend Kobe Brian. His daughter and several several other people on the S S. Seventy six. That crashed north of La so was a terrible moment And of course it did slightly overshadow the start of the show but and did put some sort of focus perhaps also on safety and the renewed focus. That industry always strives for but because of that accident accidents And because the accident is still being investigated the at this point. There isn't that much we can talk about on the podcast but Just is to say that. Obviously it was a tragic event. And the industry's recognizing that we we. We saw some several of the companies sort of moment silence before the press conferences. And so on. But it hasn't really been overshadowed the event in a way that perhaps we thought it might ride. Just think of one thing. There's a number of safety workshops were done on this past weekend. FAA Administrator and others it it allowed them to highlight safety even more SAFETIES core focus focus of the helicopter industry but is going to be I think a rallying cry to redouble our efforts for the Industry Roy Absolutely Mike and and so moving onto the events of the show itself of course This pretty well. The biggest news that broke in terms of the industry was the surprise acquisition of the Swiss helicopter Copter Company by Leonardo so Tony of course we're in the middle of all of that. Yes it was a real surprise. I mean they had a press conference tonight before they no clues were revealed it was. It was quite a shocker. That the next morning sort of been clearly been bubbling away for a few weeks or even a few months. We'll see aviation. We have been invited out to Sicily the month before. If you've read your most recent edition Asian of the magazine you'll seeing that Doing their flight test and Sisley. But this is a real big deal for Leonardo. It gets them back into the light helicopter market and so finally just got could be awol one nine Koala which is just one the US Navy Pilot training competition partition But now by securing the s eight zero nine. They don't have to develop a new one themselves. They literally bog in it costs. Release something like five hundred million to a billion euros to develop a new helicopter and they've got one for one hundred eighteen million euros essentially that Isabel and was is that a bit of a surprise the promise of all of the aspects of that story the fact that it was such a bargain basement price culture initially been looking for four additional owners had their their owners Lynnwood. They've been funding them for the past decade. I mean we I saw what was then. The Marinko says I helicopter in two thousand eleven and they managed to prove to produce a flying prototype in in four years and there was a lot of skeptics when I showed up here in two thousand eleven even but but since then I've gone from strength to strength. They had had some challenges. I mean they're on prototype free now and that's the one that really seems to be working. And that's the aircraft that seems to have given confidence to investors and in particular not to Leonardo that this might be a viable product. Roy Of course they did exhibit exhibit. Some design changes. Could you just talk about a few of those. Yes so we. We saw some changes to the upper. cowlings this is essentially a single engine helicopter POW by Honeywell H. E. S. nine hundred engine so two point eight five metric ton aircraft. So they've essentially made some changes to the top of the aircraft after justice of the aero-dynamics to better ride smooth ride which is something that they want. They want to try and get a smooth ride as possible because they wanted to make it easier. Easier to develop an autopilot which will then give them a single engined insurance rules and capability Rydin and Mike. Did you get a chance to go and see it on the exhibit floor. Aw I did Now also visited them at their headquarters at secon Switzerland last month and I was really impressed really by the team So they've hired a lot of X Airbus and Leonardo Bell really from from everywhere and they've really changed the the the makeup of the team that it's instead of being a Swiss helicopter using Swiss suppliers is a global helicopter using global talent and global suppliers so I think think That the new road ahead the new the the The new prototypes. That are flying. I think they've really turned the corner in the last year and obviously their her Their new owners saw that as well pretty important to remember as well. This is going to remain an autonomous unit. Going to be separate of Leonardo this is pretty. The more crucial aspects is that Copter wants to try and remain small in quite agile and speedy so Hopefully away away from the Bam off. The Leonardo it can still develop an bringing new technologies pretty rapidly. Leonardo management of talked about the copter being used as a as as a testbed for hybrid technologies for electric propulsion. And so on so the next steps should be interesting and with the backing of a big group that should help push sales els change the supply chain. It could be a game changer. For for the copter draft and Well of course talking game changers and the segue potentially into the electric field Although there weren't as many e veto type concepts here this year the with the the bell nexus showing up at last year's event There was of course still some activity and Mike. You're you're leading the charge really and telling the world about the veto revelation. You came up with some startling. earthling statistics To open the show with the could you tell us a bit more. About how many numbers of of new entrance right so the vertical society's been tracking EV development since two thousand thirteen timeframe we had our first workshop in two thousand fourteen so this past week or the week before the show. We had our our seventh annual electric. Vitale symposium So we've been tracking things closely and we have a website that tracks the all the developments the aircraft so the beginning of the week we had two hundred fifty two different concepts listed By the end of the week we'll have a few more as more things of have have come to light But yeah it's That tracks everything you know. Let's see later this area so not all of those are really be likely to end up on a product right But yeah almost two hundred companies or or inventors are looking at this base and didn't do say that it's the if you average out the rate at which they've been added added they seem to be coming out of the woodwork about two two per week to March one hundred year so every January two fifty. Now it's one hundred and fifty last year about fifty the year before so it's It's almost like a mass hysteria where everybody is so excited. Needed about The potential of electric vitale. That anybody who has this idea starts to design something or maybe even flies a drone or something subscale but It's really much more complicated than that and You really have a really holistic view of of an airspace. product development because safety is really key and understand system. Safety Design is really Was GonNA make a viable product right and of course. We did talk to a few of the company's traditional national helicopter companies like instrum for example who've Just told us that. They're talking to some veto manufacturers about being able to provide production facility or at least a way of certifying and even Helping them through to the reality of of the of producing the defying an aircraft or at least in a veto vehicle right. So they're really exciting. Thing about electric vitale is. There's a lot of investment money coming in from Silicon Valley another millionaires or other investors which is fantastic to have all this new money coming into aerospace defense money or or big. Oem Money so it's it's new money so they have a lot of really exciting innovative ideas but they don't necessarily know how to certified aircraft or aircraft production facilities so companies like instrument and others. Who are interested in this new space? certainly should be open minded and and look for partners For this kind of new Urban Urban Your Madonna aircraft
"sicily" Discussed on Only A Game
"Braves game. It was really sure it was over two hours eight minutes or something and we came home and I said to Mike I was leaving the next day. And you mentioned that you had these baseball cards so I said Oh. If it's not too late go up to the attic and get your baseball cards out. So he went upstairs. Came Down Louise Boxes and we were going through so I saw this Nolan Ryan Rookie Card and because of the Texas Rangers Games are watching career. Chew even I knew about Nolan Ryan so I was like jeeze rookie card. That's going to be worse than money. So I googled it and Yes for twenty twenty five thousand dollars and it was in prime condition and mindy. He's why came down and this is about one in the morning and like we just making all this noise and whipping being really excited kids like looking at these cartoons. What is kitchen? He's like boys need to go to bed. He worked at six but it might was like naming liberal Joe is found and she was like boys. Take as long as you want there. Were people people like Mike kind hearts everywhere. I went so whenever joey needed a ticket or a place to stay or a recommendation for where to eat. He just ask ask. I mean I really feel like for me. That's the part of your story that I find so intriguing. Is All the help that you found along the way another nice people. Because I feel like we're pretty jaded right now as a country like we're not necessarily feeling great about ourselves but you seem to have had a really wonderful experience here. Oh I had a wonderful time every day and that's not to downplay all the politics and things but In this day and age Karen Oh I think you know there's so much stuff online in particular that can divert and divide people and I think baseball's something really important because it allows people to come together on an almost daily basis in June. Joey interrupted his road trip for a flight. Back home to see the red sox and the Yankees play in London. That's where his goal of one hundred sixty two games and thirty. ballparks.
"sicily" Discussed on Only A Game
"The Seattle Mariners after Japan. Joey flee back to South Korea. See Opening Day in the Korean league and then he flew to the US where he hit the open road he saw major league games. Minor League Games College Games. He even visited the field of dreams. Movie Site Alright. America Jerry Facebook Grit and I'm currently stood in a cornfield somewhere in Iowa Dies Ville. It's cooled. Joey had his life savings and eight months to see one hundred sixty two games and and all thirty Major League ballparks. He didn't have much of a plan every few days he'd sit down and map out where he wanted wanting to go to next the one thing I miss the most boss. Those on the road was the ability to access a kettle. Drink tea every day I am. There are stereotypes of English. Wish people and I fall into many of them. Did you ever I. I had read that you worried you might have to sleep in the car. At some point I did Karen. Yeah I had to do that a couple of Times Simpson. The first time I did it. It was wrong tyres. I just driven from Montgomery Alabama the biscuits. I think at the AA level and I wanted to go that because I just like the name biscuits I wanted to get teasha. And I'm just say a driven hours to get it. Got Rained out are staying the shorty dreadful hotel it was depressing has helped and then the next day I drove to the braves and they'd been touched to say. Hey we heard you come in. Where are you staying tonight and I said Oh? I'm not staying anywhere I don't have anybody stays as too expensive. The braves had of marketing told Joey no worries. You can stay at the team hotel for the night and he messaged me saying it's we'll pay you. Just go go to ten up and then I go out there and they said Hey. We need the credit card so I was like well. I didn't have the credit card because the braves paid for it. Say What are you have to ring him. And he's GonNa have to give us the number and it was like one in the morning so I went and drove my car around to escape in the back of this hotel. Wait what skip escapes like one of those things where you dump late rubbish. That's really trash. Oh I dumps we would call it a dumpster. Yeah like a huge dump so that you can actually like get in. I slept in the back of the car. The seats down and then had an Anorak over my head. The worst thing Karen just like as a thirty four year old man having to urinate around the back of a skip at one o'clock in the morning after the braves have done something very kindly. Because you're too scared. Touring the the head of marketing. Joey made it through the night and as it happens he'd already been invited to stay at the home of stranger the next day and why Roy to his house it was huge and I asked him I said hey what do you do. You've got a lovely house. He said. Oh I'm the vice. President of the Atlanta Falcons and as I is that the NBA team. He's like new the the NFL not as a you know. That's what made it so fun that you've gotTa have the rough with the smooth. Sometimes I was going to ask you about the night he spent with the vice. President of the Falcons because it involves baseball cards right. You've really done your research Mike Egan a hoop. Mike doesn't mind me saying his name and Mundy's wife who is absolutely mindy gave me A. She gave me a cattle are staying above the garage. I drank so much tea starts. I was at the House. It was wonderful but what was the question the baseball cards. So Reality T.. Yeah we went out. I'm watching the.
"sicily" Discussed on Only A Game
"Comments made the rounds on all the celtics blogs soon their write ups about it in sports illustrated and bleacher the report. And then I think that's when the Boston fan base kind of started to really Approach our family and whatnot when they're like Oh these people don't they. Don't mess around around Celtics Fan cult hero status unlocked. Part of her appeal was how different she was from her brother. Here's Celtics beat writer. Jared jerod Weiss of the athletic comparing fire and water. I mean L. is incredibly pensive notable presence within a room them he speaks more with his body language and with his eyes and he does with his words and Anna loves to talk. I mean Anna's energy is you could feel it it whether it's the tweet with her. She's in the room she is. She's very loud personality. Even though was beloved by the Boston community he was tight-lipped dipped especially with the media meanwhile Anna was handing out uncensored commentary candy. She grew in the city into something that was a pack full that she was a part of the Celtics experienced. WHO's a part of the sports fan experience as part of kind of the social scene in entertainment of Boston experience which I think is really really transformed over the past five years or so? He started off as Al Horford sister but ultimately people just knew her as Anna which is what made the summer of twenty nineteen especially hard five time also Al Horford has agreed to a four year. One hundred and nine million dollar deal with the seventy sixers AL's first game. As a member of the seventy sixers was October. Twenty third two thousand nineteen their opponent. The Boston Celtics Anna was watching from her. Mom's house in Michigan. It was just weird. It was just it Pizarro's just I don't know I don't even know how to explain it. It just didn't feel right you. Anna was still loved the Celtics Fan base but now her brother was playing for another other team. was she going to stay loyal to the Celtics or try to bond with the new fan base all day Celtics and sixers fans argued in her twitter mentions about which team she should be rooting for and that was literally. I felt like a mom with her two children who hated each other. And just WANNA beat the crap out of each other and I was like okay kids while you know. WE'RE NOT GONNA go get candy if you don't shut up and it's been vocal about her continued affection for the Celtics Wchs. Philadelphia fans have also been vocal demanding. She declared her allegiance to her brother's team more importantly though they also want her to denounce his former team. It's just silly. It's like if you fell out with your expert. You guys were Songa terms like your new significant other being like hey tell them. They're a piece of like just to say it. Just say you know and it's like not going to say because it don't. I don't feel like that. So things are complicated for the first time ever supporting her brother and on.
"sicily" Discussed on Only A Game
"I thought he was just joking. After the initial shock wore off some other emotions set in. I was literally so heartbroken. I think I tweeted about being heartbroken and that I needed like a minute or like take two days to kind of process everything it was like very emotional thing. I cried a actually. It was just like Mike saying goodbye to like your I love or something you know it was it was like a whirlwind experience. Anna's love affair with the Boston Celtics was far from preordained. She rarely watch the NBA. Growing up in Grand Ledge Michigan and she definitely didn't have any rooting interests interests. She was way more interested in getting her brother's attention. Alice viewed more of like as the dad. He was like like the protective older brother the younger siblings. Since we're so much younger than him we'd be like no you know and play with us or like. Let's go play baseball in the backyard. Pardon he'd be like okay. Fine what about you. What role do you play in that family dynamic? I think I'm just like the really like obnoxious opinionated one and where my siblings are like okay. Calm down for Anna and her siblings basketball was always lurking. On the periphery there. Dad Tito Horford played professionally in the late eighties eighties early nineties. He was the first ever dominican-born NBA player but if her dad's career influence wasn't enough his genetic influence was in a six feet feet tall the shortest of all her siblings and she did play until she blew out her knee in early high school. At which point. She fully embraced her role as spectator when I went back to back. NC Championship at the University of Florida and it was right. There cheering him on. The Atlanta Hawks took out with the third overall pick in the two thousand and seven NBA draft and despite a bad thirty seven and forty five record his first season. They snuck into the playoffs as an eight seed. They're reward word opening on the road in the raucous foggy. Td Garden home.
Stefan Krasowski on Visiting All 193 UN Countries
"Steffan Krzyzewski come from Minnesota in the US. I've I just recently gotten to one ninety three. UN countries which is why we're talking today. You bring me back for follow up. But I'm happy to be here I don't remember that comment but I'm glad to have you back and curious to hear a little bit of your final part of the journey and I just wanted overview a couple of different different things to remind the listener Remind us again. Why the love of travel was the catalyst what spurred your love for expiration in discovery like many many in my boat there? There's a collecting background. Where you you get interested in collecting different things and I did not travel much coach growing up? My parents not not active travelers so it was my high school junior year trip to China. We had started studying Chinese Back in fifth grade grade and went to China and traveled around and it was just eye-popping exciting thrilling and so as soon as I could I went to college and University of Pennsylvania Wharton School Philadelphia but spent semesters in Shanghai and Hong Kong and then moved to China right after graduating college. And the you've been in Hong Kong. I arranged at ride classes three days a week and just every every Wednesday night I would head the Shenzhen. See what buster overnight train rain was leaving in hop somewhere new and got addicted traveling in China going every province in in the country. And then step-by-step expanding out to the region and the wider world pulled out of curiosity. You didn't come from travel family. What's your family? Think of what you've done what you've accomplished in the travel world world totally supportive. Do they think you're a little crazy. What's going on when you get together for Thanksgiving? Oh I've got one wonderful parents sand and Brother who's a doctor and a scientist who's WHO's very different although we both Studied Chinese at the the same starting and he studied in China in highschool so my parents Prince of been extremely big about education that they work worked to put put us into the best schools that that we could get ourselves into an and get that environment and Mother reading to me every night Even when I developed an interest in books like James Bond or Tarzan in bucks as a as a first or second grader that would have pretty racy stuff she wouldn't our through and and Be Happy to expose me to to new ideas. A Matt so the circumstances weren't for for them to be traveling a huge amount growing up but they're always been very supportive and and As as both my brother and I got older than the I was living in China my parents did start traveling and in quite a quite a lot of times they visited me. TRAVELLED AROUND DOWN SO my father's a adult of million miler now so it's it's certainly not not anti travel in out of curiosity whose commander and his better yours or your brother. I should hope it's me because I still go back several times a year and actively do stuff with China and he hasn't significantly kept up with it since since going into medical school. I mean I know he did say at the time that Learning Anatomy class was pretty easy Z.. For him when when he had been studying Chinese characters for some time but when he was when he was at his best to you. As far beyond me reading classical Chinese the It's it's it's much more different than than say Latin. It was never a spoken language. The written Classical texts are incredibly hard. Pardon any was brilliant that I can. I can get through the first few sentences of the Dow ditching and and that which is which is hard enough but He was he was way beyond me as scholar. Could use to your brother in and Stephan. What was that inflection point? So you explain how you really were taking advantage of semesters abroad in Hong Kong China the region starting to explore like crazy. What was the moment when you decided to chase when ninety three? What was that light bulb moment? It was. It was somewhere around Azerbaijan Georgia Armenia trip that I took from China on one one of the holiday weeks that that China has an at that point I was had been to just about every country in Asia and and was loving it than in seeing the possibility awesome -bility of doing much more in learning learning about frequent flyer programs which was making some of these possible Places like the caucuses were connected to China. Southern routes in Chai from China and Could use my north west and then later when they became Delta Delta Miles on on these is trips so things that I thought were previously unattainable for time or cost reasons were suddenly feasible and and And I never I never had an interest to be a full time traveler even if I had unlimited resources for that I push myself very hard on trips. The I've I've taken several three week trips Only wash twice longer. Once a four week I think in the that was in Central and west Africa and a five week around the Pacific and I was so exhausted after three weeks of pushing myself that that is the the long term travel all thing wouldn't wouldn't fit for me and and professionally isn't isn't where my interest lies and and certainly not as it is where my marriage marriage would be taking me so the I like short intense trips. It but was there a day where you sat around and counted up the country's on the map happen you saw that you're at fifty or a hundred and then you read an article. What was that final? Push where you said okay. I've done this now. I can do that. There was more of a a different back back to that other by John. Looked at within. The cost was to get to Nakhichevan which is a separate part of other by John that on the Traveler Century Club list as a separate territory and it was it now? It's quite easy to visit in affordable all and more flights at that point it was it was looking that expensive and I decided I'm not going to get addicted to a crazy list like that and subsequently I've ended knocked divide and gotten addicted to that list but it was It wasn't it was it was Wasn't necessarily one day except perhaps perhaps when I got got to eat team more. So that was the last country in Asia that I hadn't been to and did say I went to to all this trouble to get east team or deal with Indonesian and flights which wonderful delightful country in many ways except traveling Logistically is Is One where a lot of things. Don't go to plan and and So once I got to East Timor as I'm going for the UN Stephan. You're last on counting countries actually November of twenty sixteen eighteen. And you're at one hundred eighty six countries at that point. But you didn't finish your you analyst until August of Twenty nineteen in for some travelers. That's a lifetime Some travelers as we know have done all one hundred ninety three during that same time period. So you took your time to finish off the last seven countries I want to focus on four of your final five two of them. I found pretty surprising in two. I didn't so your final countries was Italy. How did Italy early of all countries end up being one of your last countries? There were three that I was saving to the end of Italy Greece and Turkey and and Mainly not not so much animus. I'm really WANNA have a big party or something. It wasn't that it's it's I'm history is my favorite subject fascinated with ancient history. And all of those three are are are so special in central to to world history and world world civilizations that I wanted to to save them to really enjoy lavish in terms of time and and Destinations destinations trips to go. So that that was the original thinking and then What will get into why I got stuck on on a couple of others and so then finally I just? I just couldn't wait. These are wonderful places that I'll visit multiple times in my life but That that that roughly was the idea As well as the flip side is after seeing so many ancient Roman ruins in North Africa. That have this kind of thinking. Why should I go to Italy and see the crowds? But you know that's just that's just one of the ten thousand different things that are fantastic by deadly to to go see show as a history buff. You mentioned Italy Turkey Greece. What's a highlight for you? Visiting those countries by all of all of the above. I mean it's it's just incredible. How you You could pretty pick pick any point on the map and see multiple layers of of incredible history I mean what I. I walked off the plane Lina in Milan. I had booked the trip like a week before last minute and I can only get one one ticket to the last temptation Or the Last Supper or the last supper painting and and I had like an hour and fifteen minutes from touchdown in Milan Malpensa to to getting getting getting in the door picked up a rental car drove as far as I could into the city abandoned the car where other people were illegally. Ugly parks hopped on the subway and guide in and saw that and and So Italy I've really I've really just started. I've been a bit in the North's I've I've seen the Vatican again but I haven't properly visited row. I've been around Sicily different territories in. It's it's just pick your pick your time in history Greece more specifically the ancient In the ancient era I mean I just gets it gets incredible to. You're just driving down the road and you see the road sign Its Tab obeys in the ancient Also known as thieves. And now it's just a a scruffy scruffy town but just pull off the road and spend the night there because these names out of history are incredible and and the answer Turkey Turkey. I took a A road trip from von the famous Lake van in the Armenian Indian churches in the East and drove all the way across the country The the more or less southern route through the Kurdish areas than around the Jian coast and So many eras of history from the first Essentially I city of multi-level housing and that goes back back. Thousands of years all the way up to the modern times. I mean it's just I just couldn't i. I had take UNESCO sites off the list because there's only so many you you can see in a day it's It's incredible and Turkey actually. has this fantastic museum pass system where you can get the countrywide one or you can get one. That's for a week league or are some regional ones arrest Boland's and the prices are so low and every mega site in the countries included. It's it's not like many countries where the tour pass includes everything except the one really must see
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Ann Beattie Reads Mavis Gallant
"Hi Anne Hi Deborah so you mentioned for me that you read the story for the first time last summer how did you come across it then. I'm Visiting writer at the University of Virginia this fall and I have to give to public talks and I was pulling books off of my shelf just looking for different examples. Awesome things that I wanted to mention in those talks and I pulled down the best American short stories of the eighties which was edited by Shannon. Ravenhill and I thought. Oh if I've never heard of this Mavis askelon story. It just blew me away. I mean I just loved it I WANNA do nothing. But think about this Mavis gallant store. What was it about the story that surprised you well? I could answer that in a lot of ways. I think but the way that she moves through time you know. I think I think that the liberty she takes with those leaps and it's happening all over the place I mean she. She works like a dragonfly or something. She's really amazing. uh-huh had you been a fan of Mavis glance work before that I am but you know I don't know it anywhere near as well as I should I find such immediacy. See in her writing that I always like it. I don't know why I love this quite as much as I love it. I really found this an incredibly startling story the visuals I think part rid of it. The the imagery of it. Yeah the imagery of it It's it's set Or as written unpublished more than thirty years ago. I think on the eve. Steve of the nineteen ninety-one French presidential elections. Does it feel to you so it belongs to a different era or does it feel completely undated. I did I noticed the politics of it. You know but it. I didn't know that I didn't know what you just told me. And I think that's very interesting but it didn't really seem to be an an enormous factor except to make this very believable in terms of the kind of conversation that was held. And you know the way galant tells you people's opinions the we'll we'll talk some more after the story and now here's an beady Reading Day Day by Mavis Gallant Day. Pascal Breuer a is fourteen now he used to attend a lycee but after his parents found out about the dealers in the street outside the gates they changed to a private school here. The situation is about the same but he hasn't said so he does not want to be removed again. This time perhaps perhaps to a boarding establishment away from Paris with nothing decent to eat and lights out at ten. He would not describe himself as contriving or secretive. He tries to avoid drawing attention to the responsibility clause in the treaty that governs peace between generations like his father the magistrate he will offer neutrality before launching into descend. I'm ready to admit he will begin or I don't want to take over the whole conversation. Sometimes the sentence comes to nothing like his father. He lets his eyelids. Droop tries to speak it lightly and slowly. The magistrate is famous for fading out of discussion by slow degrees at one time he was said to be the youngest magistrate. It ever to fall asleep in court. He would black out when he thought he wasn't needed and snap to justice. The case turned around. Apparently he never missed S. churning. He has described his own mind to Pascal. It is like a superlatively smooth car with an invisible driver in control. All the driver is the magistrates unconscious. Will to Paschal a mind is a door ajar or shut. His grades. Rates are good but this side of brilliant. He has a natural gift a precise perfectly etched. Memory how will he use it. He thinks think cicadas easily. Become an actor as a lawyer when he tells his parents so they seem not to mind he could turn into an actor manager with the private the theater of his own or the director of one of the great national theaters. Commissioning new work refurbishing the classics settling questions at issue. With a word or two. The brewers are tolerant parents. Ready for anything. They met for the first time in May of nineteen sixty sixty eight a few yards away from a barricade of burning cars. She had a stone in her hand when she saw him looking at her. She put it down on. They walked up the boulevard. Sam Michel together and he told her his plan for reforming the judiciary. He was a bit older about twenty six six answering his question. She said she was from all sauce. He reminded her how the poet Paul Awad had picked up his future. Wife David the street on a rainy evening. She was from all sauce to and starving and in a desperate muddled amateurish way pretending to be a prostitute. Well this was not quite the same story in nineteen sixty eight. The Future Madam. blu-ray was studying to be an analyst analysts handwriting with employment to follow so she had been promised in the personnel section of a large department store. In the meantime she was staying with the Protestant reformed church pastor and his family in rufous. Still Do Kuan Sh. She had been on her way home to dinner when she stopped up to pick up the stone she had a mother in all sauce and a little brother on me day day day Sylvia and I have known both with sides of the barricades. The magistrate likes to say now what he means is that they cannot be crowded into a political corner. The stone own in the hand has made a rebel. At least in his recollections. She never look at a newspaper because of her reputation for being against absolutely everything so he says but perhaps it isn't exact. She looks at the pages mart culture to see what is on the galleries. He reads three morning papers tapers at breakfast and if he has time lest evenings lemonde reading he narrows his eyes sometimes he looks as though everything he thinks and believes had been translated into a foreign language and suddenly back again when Pascal was about nine his father said what do you suppose you will do one day. They were at breakfast. Pascal's Uncle Day. was there like everyone else. What's Pascal called Him Day Day? Pascal looked across at him and said I want to be a bachelor like day day. His mother moaned. Oh no and covered overturn face. The magistrate waited until she had recovered before speaking. She looked up smiling. Bit embarrassed then he explained and slowly and carefully. The day was too young to be considered a bachelor. He was a student a youth a student a student. He repeated thinking perhaps that if he kept saying it day would study hard. Data had a button of knows that looked ridiculous on someone so tall will and a massive curly fair hair because of the hair the magistrate could not take him seriously his private name for day was Harpo Harpo that period of POSCO's life nine rounding ten was also the autumn before an important election year. The elections were five months off but already people argued over dinner and Sunday lunch one Sunday in October. The table was attacked by wasps drawn in from the garden. Pardon by a dish of sliced Mellon the last of the season particularly fragrant and sweet. The French doors to the garden stood open sunlight. Sunlight entered and struck through the wine decanters and dissolved in the wax tabletop in Pale red and gold from his place. Plus call call could see the enclosed garden the apartment blocks behind it a golden poplar tree and the wicker chairs where the guests earlier are had sat with their drinks. There were two couples the Trabant US older than Pascal's parents and the Chevalier cliches. Who who had not been married long madam? Chevalier Crochet attended an art history. Course with pus calls mother on Thursday afternoons. They had never been here before and were astonished to discover a secret garden in Paris with chairs grass. A Garden Ray. A tree just as their expression of amazement was starting to run thin and patches of silence appeared Abelardo newly come from Kadi's appeared at the the door and called them to lunch. She said it's ready though. That was not what am brew a had asked her to say at least not that way. The guests got up without haste. They were probably as hungry as Pasquale but didn't want to show ebbelaar went on standing staring at the top. Most leaves of the poplar trying to remember what she ought to have said a few minutes later just as they were starting to eat their Mellon. wasps came thudding outing against the table like pebbles thrown the adults froze as though someone had drawn a gun posco news. That sitting still was a good way. Eighty stung if you wave. Your napkin shouted orders. The Wasp might fly away but he was not expected to give instructions. He was is here with adults to discover how conversation is put together how to sound interesting without being forward amusing without seeming. Familiar failure at that moment day didn't unprecedented and courageous thing. He picked up the platter of Melon Crawling with wasps and took it outside. Aside as far as the foot of the tray and came back to applause at least his sister clapped and young Madam. Chevalier Crochet Cried Bravo although Bravo. Day smiled but then he was always smiling. His sister wish he wouldn't. The smile gave his brother-in-law another the reason for calling him Harpo sitting down he seemed to become entwined with this chair. He was too tall ever to be comfortable. He needed larger chairs tables that were both higher and wider so that he would not bump his knees or put his feet on the shoes of the lady sitting opposite Pascal. Father Father just said so no Marm Ellen. It was something he particularly liked and there might be none now until that summer. If data had asked his opinion instead of jumping up so impulsively he might of said. Just leave it and take a chance on getting stung. Well no more for anyone. The guests sat a little straighter waiting for the next course beef veal or mutton or the possibility of Duck Pascal's mother asked him to shut the French doors. He did not expect another wasp invasion. But there might be strays madam. Chevalier Crochet roce remarked. That Moscow was tall for his age then asked what his age was. He is almost ten said Madam brew a looking at her son was some. I'm wonder I can hardly believe it. I don't understand time Madam. Turbo said she did not have to consult a watch to know the exact time. It must be quarter to two now if it was her daughter. Brigitte had just landed in Salonika whenever her daughter boarded a plane. Madame tour ban a- accompanied her in her. Mind Minute by minute thessalonica Monsieur. Turban explained the Chevalier Crochet had spent honeymoon in Sicily. If they had it to do over again they said they would change their mind. and go to Greece Madame. Roue said they would find it very different from
Why murdered Maltese journalist Daphne Caruana Galizia is back in the news
"Malta to the island nation. South of Sicily is in turmoil over a mysterious murder. Three senior figures in the Maltese government has stepped down including the Prime Minister's chief of staff. Keith was taken into police headquarters for questioning. It's all to do with the death of investigative journalist. Daphne Caruana Galizia. She died in October of twenty seventeen in a car bombing and for the people of Malta. The mystery around that has not disappeared before Caruana Galizia was killed. She'd been working on a story about government corruption implicating. The Prime Minister's Chief of staff. Corinne Villa is a sister of Daphne Caruana Galicia and she joins us now from Malta. There seems to be a growing momentum around the investigation into your sister's death. What is giving you the most hope? Recently the fact that something is happening tool the fact the rest is long. Dukes of lost wrestler in December. Two thousand seventeen so for longtime it seemed like nothing much was happening. It's it's not the end yet and there's no end in sight but we are hopeful things made just now stop to change. What do you believe? These resignations of these officials and these arrests will reveal in terms of evidence that could lead to the prosecution of the people who ordered and planted this bomb in your sister's car that given this much Inflammation slowing Very Long Week and things have shifted a lot but what research novice Daphne's murder was related to her work and none of the three men who bought cues assuming put the ball in her car with anybody she she actually wrote about herself so I definitely other people were involved now with the new arrests. You in the threat of might of happened is becoming clearer. And now is the recent information about the PRIMUS chief of staff being arrested interrogation. The murder suspect. It seems to strands coming together. So Maltese businessman. Jurgen Vinik is the owner of the infamous. Seventeen black secret company listed as a target client of two off-shore Panamanian companies owned by the Prime Minister's chief of staff and Minister Conrad Mitzi. It's it's very complicated. But what do you believe is the link between the revelation of the Panama. Papers a story that your sister have been working assiduously on and your sister's death. The the only connection between Oregon panic and these two men is he said seventeen black. That's a company avenues. Had I mentioned but she never really Had time to go into an ever about again but naturally the people who are called could see. She was getting close to a very uncomfortable truth. The connection. Enough News Mudd is starting to become clear if people she wrote about had been you know how to face justice right away. This is a very good chance. She would be alive today. Korean Take back to October twenty seventeen when your sister was killed. How did you find out? I wasn't home because I work from home. My nephew called me and said you have to come now. There was a boom in Mommy's car and that's an it hasn't stopped since then we've been fighting for justice ever since the new developments wants In the investigation. You said earlier that they're long overdue. How active was the government to twenty seventeen and pursuing an investigation? What did you see but the you know the only movement in in the case with the arrest of three men December two thousand seventeen and against the old magisterial inquiry was going on with kept open? The length of time took to move from that point to where we are today suggest that had been direct political interference in the investigation but if the walls interference than we I can only guess at where that was coming from and why it was happening given that the Prime Minister's chief of staff is now a murder suspect. Are you making the assumption option that these officials in Malta would not be stepping down if they were not implicated in her death. It's Dalton assumption. They reasons reasons for stepping down. Oh reasons only can explain but they have very definitely implicated. Your sister dedicated her career to uncovering corruption Censor death what has changed in Malta in the corruption area but it is an amazing thing that people have continued covering offering subject. You know given that was killed. It must have been a very very big step for people to Continue Hawaii Change has happened is that is allowed. A civil society not does not have a tradition of public protests of people taking to the streets no groups organizing themselves. All of that happened as a direct result of Daphne's murder and now we are seeing changes political level as well people finally beginning to realize that what avenue was writing wasn't partisan it was truth and it was the sexual so that's in Malta. I'm the rest of the world though I mean the Panama papers was a massive data leak one of the biggest ever in history and then it seemed to slip out of the headlines. I mean there. There was a netflix feature. Moving documentary but do you feel that the rest of the world has moved on from this big story about offshore counseling billionaires hiding their assets from the tax collectors. I it's hard to predict what happened from here on but you know you can't argue with murder but we do know that there have been movements in other countries. People who resigned telling people have been forced out of office have been all of those changes none of this changes happened in Malta. The first direct change is scan breeze resignation yesterday day on Mris soon followed also. Those are the two men in the Panama papers who should have resigned three years ago. What will happen from here on? It's really hard to Korean Vela. The sister Daphne Caruana Galicia thank you very much for being with us. Thank you for calling
"sicily" Discussed on The Amateur Traveler Podcast
"At least feels like conceal over Sicily. Although it's very big island. It's the biggest island actually in the whole Mediterranean when it's an amazing view, and instead of taking the the cable car, you can also have a a hiking tour and in winter if you go there in late autumn winter you can actually ski on the Atma. If that's something you like. It seems strange skiing volcano, but I just didn't go up close enough to one the I think it's quite common in many areas Pacific northwest, for instance, there's all sorts of ski areas on volcanoes guy. Yeah. Probably also didn't grow up in an area like this. It's I think it's a very special experience. I also never skied on the Aetna. I did ski on Sicily though in the mountains. And it's definitely an interesting experience when you can go for a swim in the sea in the morning and go ski in the afternoon because it's good one or two hours right to the mountains, and you can do the same in with the Aetna. So there is a very very nice beach town called Judy Naxos can have a swim there and just then take the cable car the Jeep up mount Aetna. And then ski up there if you're there in the right season is three or four hours from Palermo. So it was always too far for me to go there just to ski. But. It's a really beautiful will Cain. Oh, and beautiful view. And absolutely fantastic. Experience. Next. The next town me. No, it also hasn't ancient Atto. And also the old the whole town is actually Oton. I don't think tau has a new town at all. You can get a room there. But I recommend staying in Catania, for example, just do day trip to tout Amina. This is something you can combine you can stay in Catania go to the Aetna. One day. The next day you go to me. No, you're recommending we rent a car and drive.
"sicily" Discussed on The Amateur Traveler Podcast
"You took us to the Piazza de Normany. Yeah. That's that's our plus. Oh, sorry. No problem, which has been the residents off the prince of Palermo. I think was there a king. It was the kingdom of Sicily. And I think this was the capital of the kingdom of Sicily. So there would have been a king in sometime period actually for longtime from like the eleven hundred eighteen hundred. Yeah, the pilots on news is really beautiful palace. And in there, for example, you can visit the Capella Tina, which is a really nice chapel where the yet it was like the private chapel of the prince or king, and it's full of gold. It's made out of gold. Gold leaf the whole chapel. And was I also gold mosaics is really beautiful. And if you like that chapel, you should also. Take a bus or rental car. Get a little bit out of Palermo to place called Monday, Allah. It's still Palermo. But like limb suburb in the mountains, which has a dome Duomo de Dalla, and you not only have the most amazing view on Palermo on the see from up there. When you go behind the dome, there's a little garden, and that leads to to viewing platform from where you have this amazing view. But you can also go inside and see that it's exactly the same as the couple of a Latina Justin bake. I can't remember now, which one was I I think the woman demon reality is irreparably car of the Capella Tina, and they just wanted to make it bigger. I'm trying to reality. And I want to say that we're talking about mountain of the king. Yes. Okay. Is this another palace, then or no, it's it's dope. Okay. It's a casino cathedral. As I was just wondering if in Monroe there was another traditionally a passable palace. Okay. Maybe there has been one few hundred years back. But nowadays, I don't know of any. Okay. And there's also this Khordad between the viewpoint in the cathedral, and it's super beautiful with lots of shade. So when you go there and someone it's hot because Sicily's in the south of Europe. So it gets very hot in summer. It's a.
"sicily" Discussed on The Amateur Traveler Podcast
"The bags back on a roll. There and read it's go real good pass board. Temperature traveler pursued six hundred and fifty one today the mature traveller talks about Norman palaces Greek temples, Roman mosaics of all kaneohe on Acropolis and beaches as we go to the island of Sicily in Italy. Welcome to the mature traveler, I'm your host, Chris Christensen. Let's talk about Sicily. I like to welcome the show Barbara Riedel who is coming to us from barb Alicia dot com and has come to talk to us about Sicily. Barbara welcome to the show. Hi, chris. Thank you for having me. And what's your connection with Sicily? Well, my mother is Sicilian. She was born in Palermo in spent her first twenty years there. So Sicily has always the home of my heart. And I always felt a used connection to Sicily. And since I grew up in Germany where my father's from with my whole family. We went to Sicily. A lot of vacation when I was young. My mother never wanted to go anywhere else than back home on vacation. So yeah, I think I know Sicily, quite well. And I've been there. So I can't even count. How many times I've been there? And I just love it will we should say that you are a blogger, obviously since we gave the euro for your blog, which is in both German and. Nncholas which props for that. Who's don't ever get that good in a second language? I appreciate that. So why should someone go to Sicily? It's very unique place during the last three thousand years, actually, Sicily has always been it's been a melting pot people from everywhere around Europe and even Africa came there and tried to proclaim it. There's so many many nationalities have been there and have left traces is very different from mainland Italy from the rest of Italy, obviously and also different from Sudanese, for example, the other big island in Italy. And also very different from all the other countries around Europe that's making a very special in what I would you recommend? Well, I guess you would start in Palermo because that's the capital of Sicily. With the biggest airport is another air. In Catania could fly into their two or you could fly into Rome. And then take a train, for example. But you would probably start in Palermo because that's the main capital, then I would recommend you to drive down to mud Zada Valo. It's a super cute small town, by the beach, and then from there drive to agree gentle where you have some amazing ancient temples from the Greek. Italy..
"sicily" Discussed on KNX 1070 NEWSRADIO
"Sanders Sicily on how Kelton Randy and Vicki more Andrew even though we'd like to talk about the Rams, and we'd like to talk about the patriots the headline on the story. Even now on Thursday remains how New Orleans guppy. Well, look, I think we all agree and calls Ron you can't argue with any other way the flag should have been thrown in passing there. And of course, play devil's advocate as I want to do the previous possession a blatant. Facemask was missed when Jared Goff scrambled to the left of the three yard line. If that flag has been thrown in it should have been flown thrown. The Rams have at first and goal on the one and instead of kicking the field goal to tie the game. They in all likelihood take the lead. I would also argue that the saints didn't have their first penalty called on them until everybody five thirty five remaining third. So you know, you could also say Sean Payton throwing the ball on first now. But yes, the flag should have been thrown. But then what do we do about it? If you wanna make everything reviewable. Then do you make a roof? If let's say an offense, lineman hackles errands, Donald quarterback seats and that often gets missed Sean McVay through challenge flag on bad as well. Into challenge flags offset. If one is thrown by. The other coach for passenger parents. I don't know of. I don't think there's an easy answer. Unfortunately, I think it's really weird. It turns into a replay on something that didn't happen or wasn't called play with the NFL is not equipped for plus should both teams a whole New England Kansas City things should both teams. Get a chance with the football in the playoffs. Even if the first team scores on a touchdown. Should that be changed? I'm kind of a fan of. Yes. Ready team getting eight cents. I think that would be equitable and fair. But to your point no one is really complaining that the saints stuff the ball. I in overtime and didn't do anything with it the complaints. Instead using Kansas City that Matthew Slater called headset. You'll recall that Jackie ram great always used to do. And they won the patriots one. Andrew, I must admit that. I am generally fascinated with the behind the scenes story of Andrew Sicily. And I have learned most recently that you, and I have something in comments. I'm pretty excited about this. You and I both would like to drive the Oscar Mayer wiener mobile, but we're not going to talk about that. We're not gonna talk about that. Oh, dick helton's. You had done it. Oh, please woodcock on it. I drove he's done everything. But here's what we're going to talk about. Here's what we're going to talk about that. I think is relevant people may be traveling to the Super Bowl. And that is what you've learned about hotel shampoo is bad. Okay. So it's a long story about the the made here I'm in mobile Alabama about the made for like the third consecutive year removing the shampoo for my hotel room at the same. We'll tell I don't understand that. But but when I call down they brought the shampoo telling the story to my colleague, Charles Davis or analysts and NFL network. And he said, how do you use hotel shampoo? Is it because it's Darren you to wash my hair you said you're on the road for twelve days. Which is what I am. Now. Like, how do you not go to the store to buy hotel shampoo and Charles Davis made it sound like hydrochloric acid in my hair? Then I'm gonna lose by is just Marriott Sam coup. But he thinks that stuff should be banned. But we've got to get us. Take a better hotels. I think that's what that is with them anymore. China's this time tomorrow when we'll have a former LA Rams quarterback. Vince Ferragamo has already insider extended versions of these insiders radio dot com. KNX ten seventy dot com. And also, Alexa. PGA is.
"sicily" Discussed on KTOK
"Four five Welcome back to the weekend. Brian Sicily and. Four joepags is Labor Day, weekend off I do not I'm here. In Los Angeles.
"sicily" Discussed on The Cycling Podcast
"Cool it's no she cannot be counted as if he doesn't get it this is just peddled drifted away inhale drifted away from visentini and yeah won the jiro ahead of his teammate and the famous story it wasn't it was a friend special but it was not that stage where it was quite an archaic and then that yes cepeda does bring to mind that year to see where the might be any other acts of treachery in sicily i mean it's very early in the race but you know this will talk about israel at the moment but it's a long trip to from israel you know those couple of days in sicily before they're tough roads and sicily hardwoods is very early in the race but could we see something but you suggesting that we might see a mafiastyle killing yang palach on fabu our well young one on the last year but he but it's a different side to mount this year harder or easier and harder harder on us j sicily's tough tough place i mean you know it's going to be intriguing see how hard those to stage the two first stages in sicily turn out to be because the vani said earlier the profiles equites quite deceptive they like fairly flat stages but then if you resume in you see a lot of little climbs and all of the riders will know so yeah we intriguing okay the stage i'm gonna pick 'em as one intrigues me is this is this is uncharted territory never done this before i'm picking a time trial.
"sicily" Discussed on Storynory
"We looked around and saw that every seat to the great stones circus was filled he he glanced over his shoulder and so far the christmas coming into land hey michelle too because hungry lined with bounding tools his brother we the look on his face that said yum yum reindeer too fat old men fell on sh the brothers took off so fast but the emperor one did what he had done to displease the go to polo whom he thought had landed briefly in his chariot before leaving immediately with the school standing at one old the final race was to be the decider you might ask where else in the world could they go they had both asked the same question and decided that the moon would make a fitting final to that contest this time they launched their vehicles from the top of the sleeping volcano mount vesuvius in sicily up up up that they short both faster than ever they broke through the earth's atmosphere neck and neck with enough gforce to make even too old vikings feel like ringing up vermin spies now they were both hurtling through space towards the single mystical movement the source of what will magic on our planet it was always going to be a close race all words all border shouted father christmas with a brek crack of his much equip drawings don't failed me pulled out on christmas as he shot silently on in space mode but the fact was that rudolph the chief rain day was built for strength more than speed in the old days he had pulled the sun through space back then he travelled at a stately pace measuring out the hours but to uncle christmases try could be made in the space age it was designed to get up other planets and back fast before it's rider had time to get bored in short he won the final and deciding race touching down in the sea of tranquility on the moon a whole fifty nano's seconds ahead of his famous rival.
"sicily" Discussed on War Stories w/ Oliver North
"It was a shock to us a deliberate decision was made by allied headquarters withold intelligence through colonel gavin and the rest of the eightysecond airborne but sicily was actually defended when the fifteenth or grenadiers and the hermann goering division the high command new the german armored division while they never sanitaire where we were going to jump in tell us fast because the last thing in the world you want is lightly armed airborne troops dropping into armor going has had to cope with the best him a cut twenty were in a train chap added weight captured and here comes the tanks in the meantime the first after the vagan had given may have forward observer fell i toning him as gift from fire halfback got overrun us here in has trade it's better for us to be hit with our own stuff pat for them to run over when those tank 1550 the job unarmed but uh fortunately one five five hit league big in it caught fire they screams of that german crew from inside that tank you could hear bri half a mile and in the whole thing exploded in front alice that tadic guest made the rest of the pack tuesday dies has meant also fought courageously against the unexpected sherman tanks much zubricki had knocked out the two tanks this was a shock to the germans they did know we were there that was a surprise to them because the colonel in command of the panza group it turns out was sitting up in his torrid of his tank and the first shall hit right there and killed him dia said his men found themselves pin down in a did sweet potato masher deletes raining down on top of them they were throwing them down and we were throwing them up this continued for a long period of time until at one tank turned its 88 up on us trapped in outnumbered diets made the decision to surrender but it it hurt and it still hurts emotionally because we were frame we were the best and the half the surrender was was home was a terrible feeling the minute he eightysecond airborne were to quit the battle heavy german armor like this but they did and help keep allied forces coming across sicily's teaches from being pushed back into the sea that's next on your store.
"sicily" Discussed on Business Daily
"He heads up a campaign called for quoting that's italian for pitchfork the full cody our farmers movement they're angry that no one in government appears to be listening to them and mariano says the influx of migrants has further distorted the market at a time of rising cheap fruit and vegetable imports from north africa she combing omitted in be megret's you wanna get on a ball maybe if he will miss masai the number of migrants anemic loans at you with no keeps going up veteran and the create the for competition by pushing down labour costs in this old was provoked by this new gratiot the worst the migrants here looking for what we're looking for completely deeply price labor nor will it is not a crime perhaps you've been oldest business honey but the newly boop exploiting yet this is the kind of business the forces not look for workers who can get by on twitter euros thirteen reuss within the conomic financial and commercial circumstances they were forcing to us he told me give you don't yahya up of patrick what's the point you see a very bleak future for sicilian agriculture watidi you'll on that i'm nam was that i'm moukondo's either lafayette your sunnis my my dog 'love' trump president trump took similar predictions of americans i will say to ceos i tell you i have specific students in for separatist leader rightwing save it what they can save for the can what time is right sham all forty than but massimo mariano federal this is all happening at a time of hardening attitudes towards migrants and refugees in sicily.
"sicily" Discussed on Business Daily
"That's angelo jackie he owns a small agricultural business in southern sicily i went to meet him at his farm a series of greenhouses cooking under the blazing sun while he grows tomatoes and other vegetables angelo says he doesn't employ any illegal manual labor but he understands those who do not not normal none of the moderated manila not making any money but only here because it's the only what we have but i don't know how we survive this too much competition we shouldn't happen because first of all we should be buying italian produce and then they should be selling everything that comes from outside the country it comes from morocco egypt tunisia they sell at a much lower price than us sometimes as much of the euro low's near widow made in the past few years morocco has been granted easy a trade access to the eu and today morocco is the eu's main external supplier of tomatoes and a whole range of other vegetables and do get any help from the authorities from the government from the european union near in their the old laughing gilaad i've even had frost damaged but i've never taken assent from the italian style yellow trotted on a delacroix's attleboro from the european union the knee and delano worldwatch koryo near would have done this nothing nothing never seen a from anyone not even from the european community and and if your business here closes what do you do what what are you going to do your normal i don't know chore store since i love what i guess i'll have no worker told also at angeles farm was mariano federal.
"sicily" Discussed on Business Daily
"This is usually what happens to the north african states of arunachal egypt in in in the all those people the ones who go round with the buses and recruit from gatt say from from public squares around around around sicily in cities are they italians or other foreigners defense depending on their are talion romanians in north africans obedience to the asylumseekers and refugees are recruited from refugee centers in sicily they recruited by gangmasters in front of the sentence these are centres the tom managed by the italian state or regions they are emergency refugee centres so what happens is these migrants arrived by boat the taken into governments centers weather identified and then they brought to other centres socalled hotspots sets up exclusively for asylumseekers so it's not as if they're recruited for work as soon as they come off the boat their recruited from outside these centres but it's important to remember that it's not just asylum seekers who are exploited this way italian workers are too at every company where we've carried out checks in these past few years there have always been italian work is being exploited to review the so it's not as if this exploitation is directed exclusively for man's we need subtle swaraj notes than how difficult is it to go after the gangmasters the people who are acting as brokers for these jobs mark levin if you've taken have more difficulty is the authenticity of the work is testimony many of them are so vulnerable just grateful for the work even though the pay is low and the conditions about not just because it's wrong that people are exploited this way but also because it's wrong that so many other businesses have to shut up shop just because they can't compete if you don't stick to the rules.
"sicily" Discussed on Business Daily
"Police rate on a fruit and vegetable farm in southeast in sicily youth authorities were off to businesses that employ workers illegally the workers were paid missile much less than a typical agricultural labour some lift on the premises in dire conditions it's a snapshot of what happens to the mostly african migrants and refugees who make it to sicily the italian island at the forefront of europe's migration crisis and in this edition of business daily from the bbc with me manuela santa rosa will looking at the effect that is having on sicily particularly on the island's agricultural sector more than half a million migrants of pasta retaliation port since 2014 and numbers are on the rise again migrants like peter that's not his real name he wanted to remain anonymous he arrived initially just over a year ago from nigeria reclusiveness now doc topples on my fila's wind george psalm mercantilist roads opened fire at them so from the move on with my own core last became difficult for me day among course using us live when i knew dots online will sit there try that israel's on from my life i was how i lost my coach that's coming up here on business daily from the bbc sicily a top tourist attraction but hardly the land of economic opportunity for migrants and refugees who make the perilous sea journey from africa the region is a european economic backwater agriculture still accounts for the bulk of the economy and a 22 percent it has one of italy's highest unemployment rates no surprise then that many migrants end up working in illegal conditions in the farm sector antonio travelled out is the police commissioner integral was in southeastern sicily we went to meet him at the police station that after he led the raid on the form that we hit about at the top of the program it was the first time a new italian model was used to arrest those recruit these workers illegally it given evening begazi men penalties from abuse but if they were being employed on terms that broke every employment ruled showed no work contract no holiday or sick pay low accident cover.