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Shannon Beador & Jerry O'Connell

Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen

25:52 min | 2 years ago

Shannon Beador & Jerry O'Connell

"Welcome to the bravo clubhouse for the podcast edition of watch. What happens live with me. Andy cohen uh fun shannon's back and fund jerry will he never leaves. It's watching evans. I was shannon dougher jerry o'connell now. Hey everybody will watch it live. I'm your host. Andy cohen live in the bible cover outside the o._c. Premier night with two guys who have so much positive energy that they might put doctor moon out of a job say i realized sideboards county the new and improved shannon storms looking gorgeous and my next guest has a new talk show but the same old obsession with the house laws that we love from jerry oh debut in august twelve on fox. It's jerry gary. O'connor cannot wait for the jerry osho to start superfund. I mean it's basically going to this show but at ten a._m. On versus maybe that's why i'm so excited on tonight's o._c. Kelly joe leave. Isn't it a cat cafe pseudo night sportscenter art center someone who regularly passed the push from brooklyn cafe santa megan brosnan with general so cute. I'm allergic to cats but that's a really cute cat. Let's get started. Wow big premiere lots to discuss. You look great by the way by the way i contend. You've looked great the last twenty times i've seen you also just want you to know kelly. Kelly is enjoying her time with dr reagan a man who wants to make it very clear that he and only he is dating the dodd. Watch this march. I saw i've been dating dr reagan for three months now. I'm wearing something really sexy. Slutty ready to put on church. How come you're cool with. Dr brian 'cause golden gopher him but you go after toned. He works at the place where i got my bubis done rain drip diamond earrings beautiful rose gold fave. I know it's your favorite. We are in love your kelly squeeze kelly's boyfriend yes. It's official. What do you think jerry. I was very nervous when they were in the doctor's office. I thought he was going to propose a little freaked out there. Look i i want. I haven't been in the dating game in a while but i usually played it a little cooler. I love to see kelly finding happiness. We all want all these crazy kids to find love by by the way kelly has been going at it with tamra tonight on twitter kelly said living co. You're rich alum f._a._o. Who says says that code does the sticks. You can't buy tear down in newport beach for two million co. Does the nicer temecula tamra said you own a house. I own to pay hey for my house. I don't date old men for money. Then it went back and forth about that a by the way just want to say mazal tov to you because you you have a new fella in your life and he's actually here with you john. I got to talk to them before the show. Oh and he's a great guy. He's i mean if i can say this. He's quite a step up from mr bator both how both height wise and otherwise <hes> so congratulations jerry denise richards gave you and rebecca the gift of a lifetime. You've got to make a quick cameo on the beverly hills housewives here. You are traveling in the moment on the show jerry. It's great to see you know a lot of people think jason bateman so i just say i see jerry so nervous i i love interest royal wedding your questions for shannon jerry coming in but those here's three the things i'm obsessed with tonight. I the oh size are not afraid of a cosmetic procedure or ten but on tonight's premiere seem that shannon is treated ourselves to a fun injection jackson negatively talk and steady tequila drip. Take a look introducing the new shannon door. I lost forty pounds and gained a lot aww fun. Oh is it forty funds shannon bam back. How do you have such a nice ass doing squats all the way down kelly halle berry. There's a guy here locally which i've never. I've never called anyone made before. There's the guy in the suit and there's a guy that wears the means to work. There's a couple people on the bench. There's there's one person on the bench that japan paper. It's very good. What do you call it batting average. Yes we love fun shannon. Here's go to w. w. h. L. dot tv. I wanna know on a scale of one to ten. How much did you miss fund shannon jerry. How much did you miss shannon it was i want i tell you it was not just something i missed. It was really it was wonderful to watch you tonight chen and it really was very emotional. I have to say last season that scene where you've gone onto your car after there was some sort of hearing was maybe one of the most emotional scenes. I've seen movies tv anywhere so to see you now. Oh out kissing people before you were dating your little awkward but it was it was really fun to to watch what i can tell you in a great mood because you met the new girl last night and you didn't throw any shane yeah right all right bronwyn uh-huh amazing okay second jerry and his wife rebecca romania have spent countless hours so you about bravo shows by the way she'll be here tomorrow night but does jerry gary really listened when rebecca's talking or is he going through the lyrics to feel and giovanni and his ed. Let's find out with the bravo would game jerry. We asked rebecca bravo. Phase is yoga. Sir answers then we'll reveal jerry. What did who did what did rebecca say. Is your favorite housewives city. Oh we didn't go over this in the middle. You zoo just repayment housewife city. You know <hes>. I'm gonna say orange. I'm going to save beverly hills. Okay rebecca my favorite housewives. Twin city is real housewives of beverly hills back here. Is your favorite housewives song her favorite song. I'm gonna say money can't buy you class rebecca. My favorite housewives song is money can't buy you back the answer. Favourite house husband's favorite how definitely denise richards apollo apollo the favorite house has been was apollo. Who did rebecca saves. Her favorite vander pumped rules couple <hes> going to have to say denise and erin. I mean they'll go <hes>. I'm gonna say <hes> machine and there are good friends sassy girl okay. Let's see my favorite vendor. Pump rules couple is stacey in both you one more. I want an anti gay who did rebecca favourite below deck captain. Oh nope piece of cake captain le- let's see could be favorites alone. Thank captain is it's sandy he and captain right <music> jerry. Maybe encyclopedia of everything that's ever happened on bronco raimondo. Does he know everything that will happen. We're gonna check your psychic gifts. Okay all right. How many more men do you think shannon will make out with on camera hammer this season <hes> well. This is again awkward because you're a new boyfriend sitting right there very handsome but <hes> one last night so i'll say one nine one night okay. Wow that's a lot of kelly ever forgive vicky for accusing her of doing coke. Come on kelly's cool like that okay is steve. The man who will finally phil biggies love. Thanks for the rest of her life. <hes> home so that's crazy. Kids make got we'll ever relationship. Issues view resolved when chain passes the bar dr thought it was super weird that shane was that his mommy and daddy's house and didn't tell anybody he was there. I i hope so. I mean i hope so we'll l._v._n. And kyle ever repair their friendship no wow all right. Thank you very much terry. Shannon might be the lighter looser version of herself this season but when it comes to certain things like how many lemons go in a bowl there's some simply no compromising still so here's what an honor of consigned for choose it or lose it presented by metro by t mobile shannon and jerry. I'm going to present you with two scenarios you pick which one you could not compromise my'son. Would you rather have no glamour to reunion or not. Have the receipts to prove your innocence at a reunion. I'm saying not have the receipts now. Wow i tell the truth yes i. Would you rather have a week away in the most beautiful place. You can't post anything or have every photo you take automatically posted. I did know posting okay. Would you rather have the best room on a trip over the center of the drama or of a super gross room but stay stay out of the fray. I mean five years of in the pray. I wanna get into azure the other of a week away without access to your friend group chat or a week away without access to your e mail no vince to emails but then they're kind of boring these days like the the french hack group. That's where it's all thank you. Chrissy teigen tweeted. Oh my god kelly kelly was just wrong. In describing a cat on three levels phero will ferrell and feral. I love her so much. <hes> shannon dateline dixie wants says please share with us. Your workout regime diet. You look incredible. I mean how'd you lose the forty pounds kept yelling back and forth and i said like you've lost half that you need to commit so it's diet exercise <hes> jerry tease chardonnay stand by me and if so what did they think yeah i put it on for them. They're like the youtube generation they were like. This is too long really can't add whatever four boys care. It's nothing it's not a makeup <unk>. I'll turn it off. Let's go to alison from boston a alice which question for shannon hey and i just wanted to say first of all my fellow boston university terrier terry ears but <hes> shanna new-look phenomenal and i'm just wondering whoa you're co-parenting situation is with david and what's your relationship with his current girlfriend right now <hes> well. My divorce is finalized. Is you'll see that this season and we have fifty fifty custody with the kids so <hes> you know you always want to put the good intention out there and have this friendly relationship. That didn't didn't work out with me but that being said we're trying to compare it the best we can never. I've never met the girlfriend still okay. I would like to send a crew when you do. <music> asked texted terry on a scale from zero to andy how shady your questions on jericho well well. I mean i'm going to try to get up there by right by ambi. You know i mean they got pushed the envelope. You want people to what i said. I can't leave for this show. We've wait for this. Show yeah pedal to the andy. Yes exhorts. County viki tries to talk to kelly who gives the o. g. o. c. a big f._u. Here's the sneak peak to you. Wanna talk to you on your own go right now. She's not innocent understand this right. What if you went up to her and said. What can we do to make housing. Get better. Don't be did go kelly. Can we talk. I don't really want to talk to you. I really don't you think you're a beauty. Queen my god i don't i don't the phillies into it. One of the best kelly dodd one of the best all stars right there. Let's let's go changed from day one today right. I'm sorry i love her. You guys had fun last night. We watched. I mean you guys wasn't last night. I mean i i mean tonight. I'm six months ago right yeah. Oh okay. Let's go to brat from massachusetts brat which your question for jerry. Hey n daddy doing. My question for jerry is <hes> who is your all time favorite housewife other than shannon well. I just said kelly dodd really. I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna go out on a limb orange county. It's sometimes changes is now my favorite franchise. Wow watching watching you rise from the ashes has tell you it was really touching watching you in this episode tonight. It was amazing and you know what for people who are going through bad times <music> this is this is amazing stuff. I agree with that kelly. That girl knows that a party man that is that as an instant just a good time game time everybody. I wonder who those trivia better a woman who is on the show room who watches every episode wearing a blonde wig and cut fitness a short while squeezing an orange too tightly. Let's play an o._c. Trivia game where instead of using buzzers my guests will buzz in by tossing a plate on the ground and screaming. This isn't my the play unquiet. Roaming cost the plate and say this is my plate when you have the answer during the season reunion who was tamra feuding with when she screamed that's my opinion okay joe dealer rosa lost about with speed smiley and what costume did she have to wear out what is vicky due to to send the message at something or someone is boring earth. Yes very good camera tauzin genus what it lydia called the theme parties you through in honor of her husband's vasectomies bosley is <music> river that vicky has been with multiple partners jerry dickey k. once which pravo superfan opinion you trust more chrissy teigen her michael rapaport tough one love me some wraps chrissy teigen there though she's really involved involve shannon. Anna z said tamra complained that you called her too much. Gotcha things change between youtube since the reunion. Oh absolutely i mean i think we came to resolution actually there that day and she's like a sister to me so it's like we're like family okay. Let's go to joe from jersey joe joe hi andy cohen. My question is fish shannon house. He jimmy in new bro. We we met through a mutual friend. We both went to the same college u._s._c. and but we didn't. We didn't meet that so good school. It's yes just so you know viewers. I gave him the third degree before the show double all sums up right and i knocking them. I mean you walked away handy you did. I was kind of your you had got to also also veteran with tamra before we went to him right really liked this guy was isn't he great down because i was like ooh tamra will tell me the truth. Yes <hes> carey are wants to know jerry anyone in your beverly hills posse. You would love to see become housewife this life. I mean i would love to see my wife. Become yes sir. I were you too gerry edge and there might from what i hear. There might be a slot. John might be a couple who knows just playing <hes> jerry takes. I just want to say i'm so excited for your show. I can't be a lot better as we previously today goes to the news that a portrait of beyond on say by photographer tyler mitchell will be headed to the smithsonian national portrait gallery beyond say coming to d._c. Means that the president gets to share the spotlight with a powerful and talented person of color. What could go wrong tonight. Shock all goes to bachelor and bear. It is contested. Jane forgiving fellow contestant. John paul jones tacos that made him puke in the ocean. I wanna thank santa jerry. <hes> we are back with shannon edinburgh and jerry o'connell jerry show august twelfth on fox. Check your local listings all right. Let's go back to the phones tear from virginia. Hey tara. What's your question. Hi andy hi shannon hi <hes> my question hi. My question is for jerry. Oh jerry. I'm very excited about your show. <hes> and i'm wondering if there's any problem liberty you wouldn't want to have on your show and that's a good question russian anyone. That's just too hot for tv or you. Just don't feel like you could navigate. I i gotta tell you there's no bravo liberty i would not want want to have i mean maybe the cast of apprai- skis. I love brisky joan. Let's go to get in here. I know it's long cancelled so you don't have to worry about how 'bout van kampen. I don't want that guy either. All old school jokes old school blow. Let's go to chicago. I love you love you jerry. I n d hi andy hi shannon. Hey jerry just wanted to thank you for your time in chicago today into you. Were a lighthouse and we loved you. You are so welcome and all your energy in the room. Got me back back to new york. Has all the flights started getting cancelled and literally. I ask jerry i go. You might have does the show tonight. I've never missed air in ten years but it was almost all those just the two of you yes anyway <hes> we would have got my wife or so. We're all text away. Yeah i had some contacts that i was is actually texting about private jets. Can we get some. I know anyway yes anything at this point seriously now but <hes> the per subway probably faster than chicago traffic but anyway <hes> shannon. I just wanted to congratulate. Relate you on your glow. We've kind of watched you struggle and and on indie to the credit of as a mom you let us take off our mom jeans and our turtlenecks and grow with this franchise so i also appreciate that gift but shannon. When did it click for you. <hes> where 'cause i know you hated exercise for a while. We all do when did it click for you because you have such a glow about. You and it's definitely not make up. It's not exercise is just an internal glow. Thank thank you so much. I mean i think that after turn last season i realized that it can stand on my own two feet and i don't need anybody else but myself and that gave me the confidence but i still had the physical issues that i had to make that commitment to lose all the weight and i still can't stand exercise but i tell you what i like walking because when you walk to one point and i do a release steep hill you gotta walk home. You can't uber somebody said that to me. Yesterday you know so walking has been quite helpful valerie from northport. Hey valerie hey andy. I just wanted to tell shannon how great she looked and i wanted to ask jerry. <hes> is he going to have a catchphrase like wendy does <hes> you've been listening new. You've been looking for catchphrases. I've been following on social media found one yet. I gotta kill you. You know wendy of course has the how how you doing. I think i think we're going to go with i mean i'll let me just tried out here and see how you guys like it. If i come out and i'll be like jerry <music> all know you great guys. It's in it's in the show when you see me on monday august twelve when you see me come out and go jerry oh <music> even crazier and crazier tonight tonight on the o._c. Premier we went the new shannon storms vidor who's also been meeting quite a few new men babe. Can i call you babe yeah <hes> anyway. Let's learn some more of shannon's rules of romance with around of shannon's a be dating do's and don'ts. I've some topics for you do do or don't go dot on the first date. Okay no doubt right do or don't have a man pick you up at home well. If you don't know them yeah you meet him. Don't do or don't eat garlic on a first date at do or don't make out on a first date. Doer don't get drunk on a first date a couple cocktails doer. Don't tell your new about your dating history. Slash marriage talk about dur. Don't have a one night stand illinois eight cents shoes on doer. Don't go all the way on third date now. No not on this date at what d- what you've got to get to know the person sex is a commitment yeah do or don't introduce your new b._f. To your kids after a month steak you can be from virginia kennedy. What's your question high fan. <hes> you look amazing by the way thank you. I was just wondering winters window last time that you talk to heather dubrow he no. I haven't spoke to her at all. I mean i see her out from time to time and we're friendly and we're cordial but <hes> i don't know what she was out the show. We didn't really maintain a friendship. Let's go to miranda from houston maranda. What's your question. Hey i was just wondering if <hes> wendy's doing okay with everything that's going on with her life since her and jerry you're so close and she's taking over or he's taking over for her for a while well. I'm not taking over for windy the wendy show i work for i work for wendy. This is a spin off of her show show. She's my boss. She's doing great. I mean she's doing great. Let's go to jake from michigan jake. What's your question hayes any. How are you. I'm great. Hey thanks my question for shannon shannon's so here's the thing i think that gina was there for you last season and i think that she really wanted to support were you. How are you guys doing. This season. Were good but let's not forget the last words yard open shots and that's that's how we ended it. I mean that's how you saw it but no i i've been there for her. This season and we did develop a mind. I will debate you on whether you thought that she was there for me last season's because we've had conversations about it but you know everyone's entitled to their own opinion. I guess so that's what's fun about this. Show all right. I wanna think shannon and jerry watch the zero august five central nagin brosnan consider berlin cock-up. Thank you megan adopt these these cats. Thanks for listening to the podcast. Everybody hope you enjoyed the show. 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Shannon Louise Matthews Pt. 2: Beautiful Princess Daughter

Hostage

43:36 min | 1 year ago

Shannon Louise Matthews Pt. 2: Beautiful Princess Daughter

"This episode features discussion of kidnapping that some people may find offensive listener discretion is advised. It had been more than twenty four hours. Since anyone had seen karen matthews nine year old daughter shannon despite the freezing winter weather practically the entire police force dewsbury west yorkshire was out searching for her but karen wasn't satisfied. The police had warned her that any interference interference could jeopardize shannon safety but the thirty two year old wanted to do more and so she opened her front door where a crowd of reporters had been waiting for hours hoping to get a glimpse of the grieving family lights started flashing cameras started rolling reporters reporters started shouting and karen started crying begging shannon to come home pleading for help. She looked exactly exactly as the distraught parent of missing child should she played her part perfectly and this is hostage apar- cast original every week we tell the stories behind the most captivating hostage situations and the people inside them. We'll also cover the psychological tactics used in kidnapping situations and with the human brain does when held captive i'ma burma blanco corduroy you can find episodes of hostage and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to to stream hostage for free on spotify just open the app tap browse anti hostage in the search bar par cast. We are grateful for you our listeners nurse. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network and if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening. It really does help. This is our final episode. On the kidnapping of shannon matthews and the town of dewsbury england on the afternoon of february nineteenth two thousand thousand eight nine year old shannon waved goodbye to her friends and left school but never made it home over the next twenty four days the west berkshire police carried out one of the biggest and most expensive missing persons searches the united kingdom had ever seen and as the search progressed the case only got stranger last week we looked into the backgrounds of shannon matthews and the two people ultimately convicted in her kidnapping and her mother karen matthews and her stepfather's uncle michael donovan we also explored the cultural and social factors that may have inspired the kidnapping itself and impacted how it was handled by authorities this week. We'll track the high profile race to find the little girl and and explore what little is known about shannon's time in captivity on the cold winter afternoon of tuesday february nineteenth two thousand eight nine year old shannon. Matthews hopped off the bus after her classes swimming trip to the local sports center and and into the car a thirty nine year old michael donovan michael was her stepdad's uncle and shannon was expecting him to take her to a local local funfair as her mother may have suggested but instead of the fair michael took the unsuspecting little girl to his apartment a few miles away there he gave her a free rein to explore and watch cartoons while he waited to find out what he should do next back on dewsbury moor council council estate shannon's mom thirty two year old karen. Matthews started to raise the alarm that her oldest daughter was missing by seven n._p._r.'s. She called the police and by eight p._m. The entire neighborhood and local police were out searching for the little girl thinking she might have run away but when february twentieth dawned without any sign of the nine year old the police suspected they weren't looking for a run away more likely the not someone had taken shannon and they also knew that their best chance to find her alive was within the first twenty four hours of her disappearance had shannon had any idea that so much of west yorkshire was out looking for her. She'd likely have been surprised raced. After all shannon had no idea she was missing not only did she think her family knew where she was but she was also in a constant state of tiredness and confusion. This was because for nearly two years her mother had been feeding her a combination of antidepressants sedatives opiate painkillers and travel sickness medication dismayed her amenable and easily controlled sanan was also intimidated him dated by authority figures and generally tried not to make waves even if she thought she wasn't supposed to go to michael's house she would have been easily convinced convinced otherwise and besides being at michael's apartment was almost like being on vacation from her family here. The little girl was allowed to watch all the cartoons. She wanted play with all the toys. Michael's daughters had left behind and pick her own bedroom. Shannon was likely happy to have a reprieve from her stressful home life when she realized she wouldn't have to face her parents again that evening. She probably breathed a sigh of relief at some point. Though shannon must have started asking questions either that or karen had told michael about using drugs to keep her docile missile because he to started feeding her a cocktail of his own medications every day he gave her a sedative painkillers and antidepressant and travel sickness pills he also wrote out a list of rules for shannon the list read you must not make any noise or bang your feet. You must not go near the windows. You must not get anything or do anything without me being here. Keep the tv volume low only up to volume eight or lower. You can play the super mario games and you can play some. D._v._d.'s and you can play the c._d. Music nick at the bottom of the list of rules he'd written. I p u which stood for i promise you apparently karen had used used this threat this promise of repercussions or violence when her children misbehaved and so the timid child was easily cowed by it these were the same kinds of hard line rules michael enforced on his own daughter's before losing custody of them between the drugs and his strict rules michael was able to control shannon but it's hard to know what shannon's life was really like there. The drugs left her so confused used that her recollection of the experience was entirely incoherent. In fact for at least part of the time shannon was held captive. She thought she was living with her beloved. I loved biological father. Leon rose it might have been a narrative for adult mind constructed to calm her or make sense of the unusual situation. It's hard to say what was truly going on in her head and any studies on this kind of behavior aren't well documented either way. She did her best to settle into endure strange new life unaware of the tumbled happening just outside back at dewsbury more a day into the search which police were no closer to finding shannon matthews than they had been when karen had reported her missing now they had to consider the possibility that she might have been abducted. Detective constable christine freeman was the one to break this news to karen and craig a fifty one year old single mom freeman freeman had been assigned as the matthews family liaison officer as she and her colleagues started to explain to karen in the most sensitive way possible that shannon was now being considered a potential kidnapping case freemen's phone began to ring the ring tone was a lively pop song song and entirely appropriate for the somber atmosphere embarrassed. The detective quickly silenced it but before she could karen dan hopped up and started dancing exclaiming how much she loved the song freeman and her colleague gaped at one another shocked at this behavior but then they assumed karen was in shock and people in shock and behave entirely out of character as they struggle to process traumatic situations. The british royal college of psychiatrists explains that shock is often a person's first response to a traumatic event. They described the experience of being in shock as feeling cut off from your feelings or from what is going on around you similarly in the british journal of clinical michael psychology p._f._c. charlton and j j thomson right that avoidance and emotional suppression are two of the most common responses to traumatic events lance. This can result in seemingly inappropriate behavior for the situation so the officers could have been right to assume that karen was acting in the state ashok once they were able to refocus the conversation freeman gently explained to karen and craig that they believed shannon may have been kidnapped. Freeman explain that most children are abducted by people they know often family members and so the police were we're going to need to build a family tree for karen craig shannon and the rest of the children in order to do this the police i interviewed all the family only members helping out at the house. Most of whom were craig's relatives. Karen's relationship with her parents and siblings was still tumultuous but they were nevertheless happy to help police. A sprawling local family tree began to emerge police started to realize they were going to have to interview hundreds of people but the one person whom no one thought to include was michael donovan. He wasn't a close relation compared the extended family members who spent every day or every weekend at each other's homes shannon and her siblings never went over to his house after school will he was. It seemed one of those relatives. Everyone jest forgot about after building the family tree detective constable freeman had one last thing she needed to discuss with karen craig how they would manage cases publicity. The press it had already been tipped off and reporters were gathering outside. Law enforcement handles the press on each kidnapping case differently in some instances instances investigators used publicity to garner help from the public who may have seen something or have pertinent information about the missing persons last whereabouts however in situations where the police believe the kidnapper is seeking attention. They try to keep the news of the abduction out of the press. Yes in order to better protect the hostage in the case shannon matthews the west yorkshire police were conscious of not repeating the mistakes. They've made the year before in the madeleine mccann search in the journal theoretical criminology professors chris greer and eugene mclaughlin and discuss ways the mccanns attempts to gain publicity derailed the investigation all of britain had watched the search play out in real time and he sensationalism awesome had led to numerous issues in the investigation false tips a focus on the parents rather than they're missing child and even civilians acting as armchair sure detectives interfering in the investigation as far as the west yorkshire police were concerned if shannon had been kidnapped by someone who wanted to harm arm her the worst thing that could happen would be a repeat of the mcken case after all madeleine mccann was never found so so detective constable freeman told karen not to listen to those urging her to go out and talk to the reporters waiting outside the police assured her they would utilize the press in order to seek the public's help but they alone would need to manage the relationship. Freeman made it clear to karen that going to the press is on her own could jeopardize shannon safety so freeman was shocked when later that evening she saw karen on television. The sobbing mother begged shannon. Please come home. You are not in trouble suddenly shannon. Matthews was a national story. Just as madeleine mccann had been every major publication and network sent reporters to dewsbury everyone unwanted interviews with karen craig and their friends and family on thursday february twenty first when shannon had been missing for two you'd as the police tried to keep the press away from karen craig hoping to manage the publicity the lead detective gave a statement clarifying the scope of the case peace officers visited every registered sex offender in the region while others continue to comb the surrounding area but that evening karen was back out in front of the cameras again. She sobbed calling shannon her beautiful princess daughter pleading for shannon to come. I'm home begging whoever had her little girl to return her. Freeman didn't try to stop the distraught mother. The police could only advise karen on how to support their investigation and karen was clearly upset but it surprised her to see how quickly cairns tears dried up as she stepped away from the cameras. Freeman wasn't the only one who noticed this karen's neighbor. Natalie brown also felt something was off. Natalie and her husband were taking care of karen other children. During the search and before long the whole family was staying at the browns as time went on natalie started to notice that karen seemed to be putting on a show for the the cameras in all the years they'd known each other natalie never heard karen call shannon or any of her children a princess. She thought karen earn was good mom who tried hard but she had to admit that karen wasn't the most attentive parent when natalie saw karen take a teddy bear with her to talk to reporters reporters. She asked if it was shannon's. Karen responded that she didn't know and natalie's concern deepened watching her friend and sobbing and begging on national television. She barely recognised her strangest of all in natalie's mind was that when she tried to ask ask karen if something else was going on karen pushed her away instead karen leaned on craig and his family and started to separate herself from her friends friends at a moment when everyone should have been focused on looking shannon when hundreds of police officers were doing just that the matthews excuse me and family seemed more focused on the media attention worst of all shannon had been missing for three days and police were no closer closer to finding her. They had more information than the day she disappeared. Shannon could be anywhere with anyone and as far as they knew there was a real chance she was no longer alive in a moment will find out what shannon's kidnapper kidnaper planned to do with his new ward. You are passionate self possessed and bring enthusiasm to everything everything you do your the life of the party but you're also a fierce champion for those who have one year trust leadership comes naturally to you and you crave any opportunity to make your mark. If this sounds like you you may be eleo life. You're not eleo that's ok. Whether you're an aries 'capricorno rap record or scorpio par cast a horoscope show for each of the twelve signs of the zodiac find leo today along with the rest of the astrological signs lines for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts simply go to the search bar and type the name of your sign and the word today for example aquarius today gemini today or virgo today and stay tuned after the show to hear today's episode of leo today now back to the story as freezing cold february two thousand eight stretched on practically all of britain was riveted by the strange disappearance of nine year old shannon matthews less than a year after the disappearance of madeleine mccann another girl had gone missing this time from a tiny poor town and west yorkshire each day the the likelihood of shannon's surviving decreased but there was still no more information about what had happened to her. The police continued to direct torri sources towards the search and before long it had become west yorkshire's largest and most expensive investigation in decades coming hard on the heels of madeleine mackenzie disappearance. The case couldn't avoid comparisons and as the press dug into shannon's family. The national conversation started to be more about class than about shannon herself. Pundits and politicians debated the national response bonds to a middle class family like the mccanns versus a poor family like the matthews before long. Karen found herself at the center of the national conversation that had very little to do with her daughter's disappearance. The press wanted to know about her her family and her community and karen who'd long-sought attention reveled in the spotlight much to the consternation of her friends and detective constable freeman and but by the beginning of march a week and a half into the search and with no further news of shannon the story was starting to a slip out of the news in his book chavis the demonization of the working class owen jones writes that in the first two weeks yes she was missing shannon's case received a mere third of the press coverage as the mccain case over the same period of time though jones attribute tributes this to a lack of interest in the working class by the more middle class british media. It may be more complicated than that. In two thousand eight study entitled the media poverty and public opinion in the u._k. John h mckendrick his colleagues argue that a lack of access to traditional media gatekeepers. I keep stories about the poor from getting the same coverage as britain's higher classes or as one unnamed newspaper editor in the study said journalists. Don't slam the door in the face of the poor. They just don't go knocking regardless of the reason. The people of dewsbury more worried worried that the dwindling coverage proved that britain didn't really care about its poorest and most vulnerable and young shannon would pay the price in in order to stand a chance of finding the nine year old. They knew they needed to keep national attention on the case. Unfortunately on march first two thousand eight the sun when of britain's biggest tabloids decided to offer a twenty thousand pound reward for information about shannon's and ends whereabouts it was far less than the two point five million pounds offered for information about madeleine mccann and the discrepancy was appointed conversation in the news but more importantly the introduction of reward bumped shannon's name back into the headlines two days later on march third. The police asked karen to give a press conference in order to help them keep up the searches public profile by this point the window of keeping ping her out of the press had long since passed and they needed any help they could get from the public and so karen went back in front of the cameras she again cried and begged for shannon to come home but then she added something new something. The police hadn't spoken about to the press. Karen told reporters that she believed the person who abducted her daughter was someone the family knew and scared her. She said that made her feel unsafe. Because perhaps this person was trying to hurt her and her family once again. The story sorry splashed across the british headlines and the police hoped someone would come forward with some new piece of information despite being one of the biggest names in the u._k. At the moment shannon's world existed entirely within the confines of michael donovan's apartment there the drug the little girl spent her time sleeping watching tv playing video games and playing with the toys michael daughters had left behind the worst this times though were when michael had to go out because despite his list of rules he didn't just leave the nine year old to her own devices instead instead. It's likely that he tighter up with a harness that was secured in the attic which would have allowed her to reach most rooms in the apartment but not the front door while michael later denied doing this. The harness was found in his apartment and shannon later spoke of nightmares about being tied up and so it seems likely that the little girl was tied up like a prisoner whenever her captor had to leave the house perhaps she she complained or fought back or perhaps michael felt badly because he eventually started to take her with him. When he left the apartment he'd bundle l. her into the back of his car dressed in his daughter's old clothes and drive her to the supermarket. She'd wait in the car. The hood ever code pulled up while how he went grocery shopping and bought her clothes and toys and at least three times michael even took shan into the park at dusk so that she could play and embiid some fresh air somehow. No one ever spotted her again. It's hard to know the details of shannon's day to day and michael's apartment but it seems that he treated her very much like he treated his own daughters. He generally was focused on taking care of her making sure she was fed clothed and able oh to play a neighbor later reported even hearing laughter coming from michael's apartment during the time shannon was there but michael donovan was also also incredibly controlling and strict as he had been with his daughters. He likely used the cocktail of medications to make sure that shannon didn't act out. He later said that he never planned to keep the little girl for more than a few days. He said that karen had told him she'd be in touch. As soon as the reward award money was high enough but as the weeks stretched on he said his fear of her and his concern about the situation pulled him in opposite interactions on march tenth two thousand eight when shannon had been missing for twenty days and the cost of the police searched for for her had reached millions of pounds the sun tabloid raised its reward to fifty thousand pounds according to michael donovan. This was the amount karen had been waiting for. He said she contacted him from an unknown number to alert him to the news. The prearranged plan was for him to take shan dan into the dewsbury market there he would send her off on her own before making scene when he pretended to find her he would then claim the reward money which he encountered would later be able to split. Karen denied that this was ever the case but even if it was the plan it seems james. Michael may have already had other ideas. Michael started to run specific errands. He went to the bank and got out six hundred hundred pounds in cash. He bought a child on board sticker for his car and he started to talk to shannon about going to blackpool the same seaside city. He taken his older daughter too when he kidnapped her couple years prior on march thirteenth just days after the reward was raised he packed up to duffle bags with close he swung by the pharmacy to pick up more travel sickness medication for shannon and chatted with pharmacist misses about going to blackpool for the weekend excited by the idea of a trip to the beach shannon began to draw pictures of blackpool tower a notable landmark landmark. She even wrote a letter to an unknown person about how she and her dad were going to blackpool to take pictures of the sea. It's it's impossible to know what michael's plan was considering. He denied all of this but it seems likely that he decided that since he couldn't have his own daughters back <music> shannon could be his new daughter. Whatever the initial inspiration behind shannon's kidnapping michael was enjoying his reprised sized role of father. Besides shannon was a model daughter under the influence of sedatives painkillers and antidepressants that is the drugs kept her confused enough that she believed whatever michael told her she would follow his rules implicitly and as a child who had grown used to being ignored ignored and shouted at shannon was grateful that michael looked after her and played video games with her and michael the best part was that no one a new she was there so no one could take her away all he had to do was get her out of west yorkshire without anyone noticing and then they'd eh free out of the purview of the police who were turning over every stone in search of shannon. If they escaped soon enough they could disappear ear into the coastal city of black pool and start a new life. The police would never be able to find out what had happened to shannon then after the break. We'll find out what happened. When michael started to get cocky about his success now back to the story oy by early spring of two thousand eight thirty nine year old michael donovan had managed to stay off the police radar nine year old shannon matthews he's had been missing from her home in dewsbury west yorkshire for twenty three days and there were no new leads concerning her whereabouts. Michael wasn't the smartest smartest or most cunning kidnapper but he'd managed to keep shannon out of sight and avoid raising suspicion for more than three weeks and somehow how no one in the matthews me and family had thought to mention him to the police when the reward money went up to fifty thousand pounds karen may have called hauled him about their plan as he claimed or as his behavior indicated he may have decided that he liked having daughter and was going to run away to blackpool with shannon but then on march thirteenth michael made a mistake a relative called michael to gossip about shannon's this case assuming that he had been interviewed by the police already but when they learned that he hadn't been they were baffled so the relatives suggested stood to michael that the police would wanna talk to him considering they were interviewing. Everyone else related to the family road instead of a normal agreeable response michael said he didn't want to talk to the police in fact he told his relative that he didn't want the police to know about him at all and would prefer to stay off their radar entirely. The relative became immediately suspicious as soon as he got off the phone with michael. He called all the police. He wanted to make sure that they knew who michael was and that they knew he was acting weird about. Being interviewed of course police shared the relative suspicions. They were surprised that no one had even mentioned michael before that alone felt worthy of inquiry. Even if michael hadn't said he he wanted to avoid police attention when they discovered that he also had a criminal record for kidnapping his own daughter though they realized they might be onto something and so the next day on march fourteenth two thousand eight to experience police officers drove elver to pay michael visit at this point they'd both been on the case for a while they interviewed hundreds of people been out on search teams and unlike most of the officers feared the worst shannon had been missing for more than three weeks. They realized it was unlikely they'd find her alive. The urgency of the early days of the search had started to give way to despair around noon as the officers pulled into the lid gate gardens council council estate and parked outside michael's apartment. They saw his silver peugeot parked out in front but when they knocked on his door there was no the answer they went around back and try it again but still no luck. Maybe he wasn't home a neighborhood them knocking and came came out to see what was going on spotting michael's car. The neighbor said he must be home. Michael drove everywhere. The policeman weren't sure the neighbor was right but decided to see what else they could learn from michael's neighbors. They started knocking on doors asking around michael's downstairs neighbor neighbor. An older woman named june badly told them something even more useful. Apparently june had heard a small mall child's footsteps and michael's apartment over the last few weeks. She assumed michael must have a new girlfriend. The child must be hers but now that the police were asking about him. The footsteps felt suspicious. The officers suddenly realized they might be onto something. They radioed for backup cup and after a knocking on michael's door once more to no avail. They decided to break into the house. When a few more officers arrived they covered covered the back door while they're co workers used a battering ram to break through the front door crashed inward. The officers rushed in dan methodically work their way through the first floor of the apartment but it was empty in fact the whole apartment was was silent but they had to keep looking just in case. The officers continued through the apartment until they found another lock door. They brought the battering ram in and broke down that doors well inside. They found the master bedroom but again it was empty however ever the room smelled of cigarette smoke and when one of the officers lean down to touch the unmade bed sheets. He realized they were still warm. Someone had been here recently but the police had no idea where they could have gone. The officers were just about to return turned the hall when they heard a muffled disembodied voice child said stop it. You're frightening me. The the voice was coming from inside the bed. Two of the officers started to lift up the bed and found it surprisingly heavy v clothing started to spill out from underneath and then suddenly a little girl's head popped out from a hole in the side of the bed within seconds. The crying child had climbed out from the bed scared and confused. She looked at the policeman standing around the room home and then she introduced herself. I'm shannon. She had no idea what was happening or why. These men were there but she didn't protest when one of them picked her up and carried her downstairs as soon as shannon was out of the room the other officers looked under the bed where she'd been and their curled up in a ball was michael donovan the police told him to get out from under the bed bud it michael ignored them paralyzed the officers ultimately had to pick up the bed and pull him out by force michael thought back but they manage needs to drag him out of the apartment and into the police van as his neighbors watched shannon buckled in safely in the back of the police car watched too will she didn't understand what was going on but the police and neighbors around them were in shock against all odds the little girl they'd been and seeking for twenty four days was alive and safe the triumph and relief the entire community felt at finding shannon annan was short lived as soon as michael was in the police van he started shouting for the officers to call karen because they had a plan to split the money and suddenly the police had to question whether shannon's mother had been involved in the kidnapping and in cahoots hoots with michael the entire time a case that had never been straightforward wasn't going to wrap up easily before accusing cairn of something thing that might have been a diversion tactic. The police had to determine if it had any basis in truth and to do that. They needed not just michael's version of events. It's also those of the only other person who'd been there shannon but it didn't take long for child specialists to realize that shannon shannon wasn't going to be a useful witness over the course of a couple of weeks. The specialists interviewed her in short bursts of no more than ten or fifteen minutes at a time. It became abundantly clear that she was deeply confused and traumatized. She didn't know who had been keeping her captive. She she kept having hallucinations and nightmares that one point. She couldn't remember her own siblings. In fact the only constant was that when asked shannon said she did not want to see her mom finally as rumors started to swirl through the community the police confronted karen and at first she flat out denied even knowing michael then she admitted that they'd met and he offered her a place to say if she was breaking up with craig but she swore that she had no idea he had taken shannon on that seemed like it might be the end of it but then three weeks after shannon's rescue karen's boyfriend craig was arrested for possession of child pornography shortly thereafter craig's mom uh-huh and sister were both arrested on suspicion of having been involved in the kidnapping they were released a few hours later but it was crystal clear that something being more was going on to of cairns friends including natalie brown who had been suspicious of karen's behavior from the start finally decided to confront karen they believe that karen had been trying to leave craig and had asked michael for help somehow her plan had gone wrong and the situation situation had gotten out of hand along with detective constable freeman the two friends ask karen for the truth trapped karen <hes> admitted through sobs that natalie's version of events was correct. She said she planned to leave craig the afternoon of february nineteenth eighteenth but he unexpectedly stayed home from work and she hadn't been able to when shannon hadn't come home that day craig's family had insisted she call the police without admitting she'd been planning to leave. She couldn't tell them the truth. From their everything had spiraled out of control detective constable freeman called in the confession and promptly arrested karen but karen story continued to change jumping from implicating acadia craig and his family to denying she'd known where shannon was before long. It was impossible to know what the truth was especially. Since so little matched up between michael and karen's ever changing stories ultimately both michael and karen were convicted of shannon's kidnapping and perverting the course of justice but even the investigators involved leave they never fully got to the bottom of the strange case and what matters is that shannon was taken care of after her rescue she was protected from the press from the moment she was found michael's apartment and was given the time and resources to heal after her traumatic ordeal she was briefly reunited with her siblings and her biological allegorical father before being given a new identity and ultimately being placed in a foster family who were hopefully able to give her the home she needed wherever she is now we hope she's happy cared for and known only to those who love her so thanks again for tuning in to hostage we will be back next thursday with a new episode you you can find more episodes of hostage and all other podcast originals for free on spotify will not only the spotify already have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite par- cast originals like hostage for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker this dream hostage on spotify just open the app and type hostage in the search bar and don't forget to follow us on facebook and instagram at park cast and twitter at podcast network network. 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Harry Hamlin & Shannon Beador

Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen

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Harry Hamlin & Shannon Beador

"Welcome to the Bravo clubhouse for the podcast edition of Watch. What happens live with me? Andy Cohen and he's a famous husband in the real housewives cannon in these days she's enjoying the return of fun Shannon. It's watch what happens. I was Shannon stores were door and Harry Harry Hamlin now the nearest sticking up on top. Well Hey everybody welcome to watch live. I'm your host. Andy Cohen live at the Bravo clubhouse as excited to get into tonight's ASSOC- finale as Tamil camera was to get into the Tequila and then the Bush the tables have turned in this time. My first guest is dancing on them. Please welcome real. How cyborgs County Shannon? The Storm Door TV theater. My Gosh wears many hats but his wife Lisa Reynaud whereas even more wigs. You can get some off off-broadway and his new play one November Yankee of fifty nine East Fifty Ninth Theater until December twenty. Nine tickets are available. Now it's Harry Hamlin's to Hairy Watch. Tonight's episode which I do know I can prepare really do you can't write this. I mean is your hair. I know really off book on the. OC housewives well. Yeah yes you asked me any it all right. If you're in the mood for New Year scare that's even more terrifying than holiday travel catch. Tonight's bartender it. Midnight Kiss Premiering December twenty seventh on Hulu as part of their into the dark theology from my buddies over at Blunt House. Saeid our friend Scott Evans as Scott the last time you were here. debuted housewives tagline. You have a couple new ones. I just WanNa get get your old one because it was so iconic so it's like how do you move on so good. My brother may be the cabinet. But I'm the Queen Brother of Courses Chris Evans so captain Captain Captain America. Let's get started Shannon. You went on a date with Duff. Who happens to be former? OC Tammy knickerbockers ex. I loved Gough in early seasons. I was so happy to see him back. Here's a little bit of One of your awkward moments he just got out of your marriage. Have you been dating wedding money. I've dated a few people. I'm not the bar so high that you never meet anyone. I think. Now you know what you're getting here. I have never been on a date with someone that has been quite so forward. Ula Grades but academic year go my hands. Are you pulled colder than yours. I'm a furnace. Are you never heard of that term. I I know have you ever met Tammy knickerbocker by Omega Cameras Baptism. I've forgotten Tim`rous baptism. Wow Yes so many questions. So Little Time Kelly went to Mickey's engagement party to wish her happiness and health but it all too quickly became too awkward and cringe worthy. Take Luck oh I got you this Happy Engagement. Yeah no no they have been held wishing. I don't think this is working. That was awkward. Yeah Okay Shannon. Engaged Party got very heated. We have to show Harry Hamlin's favorite moment your hair catching on fire watch enemy. She has no relationship with Tim. There's no good intention. They're kidding. Search for your hair. What this whole area seeking throws on it because the fire out I read him in? I think page six or somewhere this week that you found out you performance on Christmas Eve. You didn't realize you did did and you actually bought the house out so that you could fly on Christmas Eve and spend Christmas with your family. Every ticket for your Salaam. He was a lot cheaper than flying. Everybody out here too. So yeah it was like seventy five hundred dollars. Look I'm not gonNA talk about numbers. Here was a lot of money but less than it would have been bring everybody out here and put them up at the Carlyle. I love it that you did that so you will be home for Christmas. That's right man. She got Terry when everybody goes. See Him in one November Yankee. That was mentioned thing to you. But not on Christmas Eve of your questions for Shannon area or coming in but before we get to those. Here's what three things who says what's tonight. I tonight at her engagement party. Vicky made it clear that she's drunk in love with Steve Lodge. Meanwhile here's what Tamra made it clear that she was just too wrong. Watch honey she's just had a lot to drink. It's so funny laughing. The laughing hockey's really appear overreacting. What do you want? I'm an Hamra go away I understand I know how darkness no I I don't know I don't know what you're talking about lady weird. I actually think she was so drunk front. She forgot what season she was in and what she was even doing what the fight was. Now I mean there are there are things going on at the reunion and she had a valid reason to be. Am said okay okay Second Visa Gazers. What did you think of that Harry House? Wondering if she wanted to become a gardener second engagement hoedown felt more like a showdown and I get ready for. What's in store tomorrow night? Because here's what during part one of the. OC Reunion Union. The conversation turns to pigs. So we got part one airing tomorrow night that Bravo is just stacking them all up. They're all happening in the next week. All three parts. And you don't WanNa miss part three. Especially here's a sneak peek. Apart one I felt like the three of you. Gangs up on Callie ally and that's how I feel you there. When she drew a picture of cake I was wasn't is that uplifting uplifting do you think your beauty queen yeah actually? I'm a waiver are looking for. That's for sure such a class. Well you know what I'm getting Mary. You let me get been trash. You're moving eighty okay. Okay finally since he shares is life with police arena. I wonder which of Lisa's passions have rubbed off on Harry. Of course there's dancing an adult diapers but how owning and here's what it's time to test their own in Harry. Here's here was some shady questions for you. At Shady Lea Serena Hey Shady Lisa Sorrento. What's your first question? The Area Oakland Gary Hamlin. Who is your least favorite on screen kiss? onscreen screen Kiss Medusa. Medusa wasn't actually kiss. I cut her head also now writes La Lisa. renna Harry Hamlin name named actor from the eighties or nineties was completely overrated may disagree Okay Lisa. Give me another one. Harry Hamlin do you think is the hottest househusband Beverly Hills. I have a kind of crush on Murray zero so I tell you you're not the only one All Right Lisa last question Hamlin if you could erase one project from your IMDB list. What would it be? There's gotta be more than one. Can you give me a break. I got at least ten but I think it would be a movie called. Save me. That's okay all right. He gave us the title. Thank you very much Shannon number one question for you is well Evan. Maxwell acted a lot a lot of people that. Why are you unforgiving having of Kelly when you forgave both camera and Vicky for accusations and rumors that they have made about you in the past I will tell you that the hit on the head that was over within two hours as we were fine that is not why I don't have a relationship with Kelly? I brought her into my inner circle and had a lot of heartfelt tear felt conversations about a lawsuit command and she went to the other side and offered help. You don't go any lower. This has been so financially devastating. She cried with me on the phone yet then. She showed me the proof of our conversation offering to help the other side. So at this this is real life stuff going on here. And it's she just. She went to go all right. I'm hairy. Doctor Nells any talk or any conversation about an la law. Aw Revival it seems like a format that should come. There was talking about it a few years ago and I politely declined really. Oh Yeah I go for go. Go Forward Shannon Karla F points out that you were never a big fan of your ex husband's mom so how on site or you that she is not your mother-in-law anymore. Oh I will say I'm good with it. Okay Ray CENCI hairy Jerry. Do you make all the holiday pies for Christmas. I make all the pies. I'm the only time maker in the family. This is the call Elon Cat Cora to Shannon. Do you plan on getting engaged with your new boyfriend okay. I've never been happier. I didn't think think it was possible to be this happy but I mean first of all I don't do that is early. Kelly died okay. You this has been how long you've been together a few months. Alex almost seven months okay. He's here tonight is Great Melissa. emlyn snow hairy. Did you ever settle the Nicolette. Sheridan Michael Bolton Bolton debate. It stopped after one tweet. I never went back as a matter of fact if I went on my I twitter right now. That would be the last tweet on there. Is that right. That's right. You regret sending that tweet. I have no regrets. No you have you know the very zen Buddhist or something Do I look like a boot. Is You know you look you very very calm and peaceful. You seem like a peaceful I have Lisa arena in my life. You know so you mean Joe you drown out the chaos. Well actually the Yes okay. Ground out okay. Drowned it out. Hanlon care from Pennsylvania. Hey Ken what's your question. Hi Andy Hi Harry Hamlin. I'm my questions for for Shannon We are we already know what he thinks about camera and garlands make out sessions. But how do you feel about it. Did you feel I've been very vocal about it. I mean I'm I'm okay with it but for me personally I'm okay with kissing her. On the lips I crossed the line when I feel moisture okay. Let's go to John in Connecticut. For Harry Hamlin. Hey John witcher question holly okay over shared about your relationship on the show does Renna over share about your relationship on the show she over shares all the time on the show but she did the Howard Stern Aaron show one time and my friend said whatever you do do not listen to the Howard. Stern did you listen no I don't follow her what he goes. I can't go other. Loves her. Yes that is very smart though. Harry Hamlin okay. I want to get into the game because as we might need a little time for it. It's game whether she was trying to Suss out the source of the trainer attempting to relax with able under head Shannon's trust was tested many times this season. I'm curious to see if my guest trust if you bravo liberties who came bearing and holiday facts. Let's find out with holiday. Bravo would squares. Yoga Square listened to a holiday themed statement and agree or disagree. If you're right you get the square if you're wrong you're opponent. Does I get TIC TAC toe. Three in a row wins Shannon. You'll go first. I stars Shannon Pick. I pick the center and you go Kelly Donna Kelley give us your statement meant a Christmas story. Everybody tells Ralphie that he's going to shoot his ear off with a Red Ryder. Bb Gun right or wrong. I'll say No she's wrong square. Okay hairy because I'm going to pick Kenya okay okay. Kenya and Adam Sandler Hanukkah Song. He says you can spend the drill with Captain Kirk and Mr Spot is is he correct. No yes he gets the square. Okay Shannon Star Kate Kate chastain on the TV show friends. Ross dressed up as the holiday hedgehog to explain Hanukkah to his son falls true No wrong over there. He gets the square. Okay Harry four to win. What's go go with Jennifer people? Don't WANNA play okay. Alright Jennifer in the song. I have a little drapeau. The data edel is made out of glass is the Drapeau made out of glass. You know I'm I'm Goyim from Pasadena Wooden false okay. It's true no it's square trail aught. Oh my God even the in the audience on and I'M A. I'm a total Shannon Baker Square Dolores Laurus Dolores four ghosts and a Christmas. Carol okay is true or false false. There's three right okay. She's Here he got this Square Harry for the win Frank Junior right. I guess you're wrong. Okay Frank Junior last state declare Christmas illegal holiday. Was Alaska okay. Is that true last date through Christmas. Legal Holiday No. You're right it's got a tweet from Kelley Dodge Raj said. Hey Andy Oscar gas. If she truly believes her own mental gymnastics uses to justify things or if she's too embarrassed to admit that she stopped being friends with me. Because that's what Tamra camera instructed her to do and then she said per usual you all look amazing heart. You know what I do what I do. I'm I'm a very intelligent person. I went to law school when it was accredited emily. I'm a smart person. Nobody tells me what to do. And I'm not afraid of anyone and we're we're done with with the mental accusations about me. Gymnastic she is. She calls me as a psychopath or something at the reunion like. Let's look look at WHO's switch gets flipped all the time. Oh my God. It's a doorbell. Who could that be is a Kelly? Diagnosed Food Yeah. Well you know what the truth is. I was on Jeff's hit radio show on radio and e this morning and we thought it would be fun. Surprise you guys. It's good I have to say we're sharing green room and I might have looked at your phone and there's been movement your backyard. What were your thoughts? Did you see the finale tonight. No I haven't seen it. You haven't seen it yet. Dodson general on you enjoying the season under should be some checkups. Oh Oh boy. You're good you're good chance if we talked about it today. Yes we yes we did. We talked to him about it on the radio It's great to see you. Jeff Lewis Kelly say oh my God he's just he's Sharon's opinions minions about the show with you yes he does we were in Fresno together. Last Thursday we talk it's all a blur but spent some time together. Yeah Janssen's here. He John Jensen's right here buddy John. Thank Shannon's boyfriend. Love Jon Jansen you know he's great by the way Shannon. What did you think of those nude photos? That David Dora posted with his new girlfriend. We've already talked about it now. Just say something that you ever see me do. Okay Bite Light. We see you and Lisa oppose some exciting hoses in the instagram biggest check. Are we talking. Yeah this is a smart man. Everybody goes see Harry Hamlin and one November Yankee and everybody watch man salutes Movie and Thank you Jeff. Lewis thank you. Creeping the everybody here was Shannon and Area Hamlin Scott and Chap Lewis Scott. What's happening happening on? Your phone rang texting curiously about how much she loves you know but she said he's in love him. Is that what she daily. That's just call them Luc by mistake. It she later. Oh all right okay. Let's go to Justin from Kentucky Justin. What's your question? Hey and my questions for Harry and I wanted to ask Harry. Is it true that Bethany Frankel Michael convinced you to be okay with Lisa Doing Beverly Hills. Yup Well I told Lisa when she told me she was thinking about doing it that I have. I've live divorced lawyer on my speed. Dial and that illegal to do it so and at least it's why don't you just talk to Bethany about you know what kind of opportunities this show could provide right and I did and here we are you did it. Yeah Oh yeah I like it. Okay let's go to Jen from Orange County. Hey Jenn what's your question first of all Shannon. Oh my gosh look at myself. I'm so proud of you. You thank you. I mean I'm not going to the U. K. through this like a champ honestly think Of Take the MIC question. Is You went to all this work. Plenty Gays Party and in Florida. You Watch camera and Kelly hug it out which was cute provoking and then you throw the engagement party and they have this whole like tampered goes into this whole Tirade anheuser busch is like how did you feel like were you upset and you allow her like you know one thing about me is I have a very small group of friends and so I treat all of that I don't know I'm very loyal but when I'm done with you then I'm done on. I was very forgiving. I wish that I were more forgiving. Because she is very easy to forgive and then sometimes we really wanted to do that. I made a mistake. And that's what happened this time. All all right. Let's go to Kim from Texas question. Oh thank you for calling McCann instead of Tam from Texas. Sorry that's okay. My question question is for Harry. Hamlin my question is how are your daughters and would you ever consider One of them being a future housewives. Oh they'd have to get married. I and I'm not sure I'm ready for that right. My daughters are doing. They're on fire daughters. They have a new clothing line called DNA. They are doing just amazing. That's great yeah very good all right. Let's go to Melissa from Virginia. Hey Melissa what's your question. Listen Hi Hi Shannon. Hi everyone down and you look amazing. Thank you I just want us there. I wanted to know like who's GonNa and I keep Kelly insect during the reunion and hold her accountable. Because someone has to. Well I I mean Andy I ah maybe we'll agree to that. I'm not putting up with it so I think that she gets a lot of passes. That other people don't if I would have said one of those lines that she says throughout the season and I'd still be apologizing sitting in this chair but that girls can somehow spew whatever she wants and they take a bite of salad and we all go. Okay Jeff would. What's your impression? I should've Kelly. I mean personally. I have a friendship with Kelly but I understand some things that she says on the show over the line. I don't I don't I don't like almost almost nobody knows that but I don't think that she should be calling her a pig. I don't I don't you know that's not something that I condone. Alright and your your big house is his family. I'm a huge house last. Do you have any questions or comments for Shannon. I mean comments Shane. My roommate's a producer I've been at at these parties was Shannon. I I got pictures with coming off. James James Braggers are we. We've done splits the talking holistic take some sanitizer had our fair share fun. Wow I love it. Who knew that story all right? I want to thank everyone here. Jeff especially asleep great to see you everybody. Thanks for listening to the PODCAST. Everybody hope you enjoyed the show. Remember new episodes go live Monday through Friday at four P._M.. Eastern time make sure you're subscribed have a rusty or night.

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Shannon Louise Matthews Pt. 1: The Field Trip

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Shannon Louise Matthews Pt. 1: The Field Trip

"This episode features discussion of kidnapping that some people may find offensive listener discretion is advised nine year olds shannon on in matthew's crept quietly down the stairs in her family's small house in dewsbury west yorkshire england hoping not to draw attention to herself south the night before the normally timid child had gotten into an argument with craig her mother's boyfriend of four years and shannon a and had sworn at him needless to say she'd only gotten in even bigger trouble. She tried to go to her cousin's house nearby but her uncle martin had told her she had to go home that night. She cried herself to sleep and wished that she could go live with her father and his new family early the next morning she hoped to be able to sneak out and head to school before the family argument reignited but no such luck her mom karen was already up and in cairns mine. The argument wasn't over. The shouting started again. When she saw her oldest daughter there has shannon put on our winter boots and grabbed her backpack. Karen screamed at her to leave and never come back and shannon's stepped out into the freezing february morning. She wished she didn't ever have to return. This is hostage a podcast every week. We tell the stories behind the most captivating hostage hostage situations and the people inside them will also cover these psychological tactics used in kidnapping situations and what the human brain rain does when held captive. I'm irma blanco and i'm corduroy. You can find episodes of hostage and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream hostage for free on spotify just open the app and type hostage in the search bar park cast. Were grateful hateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and instagram at podcast and twitter twitter at podcast network and if you enjoyed today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening. It really does help <music>. This is our first episode on the kidnapping of shannon matthews in the town of dewsbury england on the afternoon of february nineteenth two thousand eight nine year old shannon waved goodbye to her friends and left school but never made it home. Tom over the next twenty four days. The west yorkshire police carried out one of the biggest and most expensive missing persons searches the united kingdom had ever ever seen but as the case drew to a close things only grew stranger this week will look at the backgrounds of shannon matthews and the two people ultimately convicted in her kidnapping her mother karen matthews and her stepfather's uncle michael donovan will also dig into the cultural and social factors in britain that may have inspired the kidnapping and impacted how it was ultimately handled next week. We'll find out what shannon's weeks in captivity were like and track the high profile search to find her. We'll explore why it took investigators. There's such a long time to locate her trace the dramatic events surrounding her rescue and dig into the uncertainty surrounding. What really really happened. The story of shannon. Matthews starts decades before she was born with shannon's mother karen a woman who conspired to have her own daughter kidnapped but karen born in nineteen seventy five and dewsbury england was just as influenced by her environment as she was by her mental health struggles across the north of england industrial towns in the nineteen seventies were being assistant mathematically decimated under prime minister margaret thatcher manufacturing was sent abroad and unions were undermine leading to widespread unemployment and economic deprivation citizens all across the north of england were in dire straits in the following decades. Things only got worse. The now impoverished communities found themselves suddenly vilified in the national discourse. People from places like dewsbury were considered richard ignorant in lazy for relying on the social safety net that britain had built back in earlier more prosperous days and much like in the u._s. Us the myth of welfare queens who took advantage of the system flourished in the midst of all this upheaval karen. Matthews grew up as one of seven children in a household and dewsbury at the time. Many of the matthews friends and neighbors were losing their jobs. Karen's parents were lucky. They kept working scraping by to take care of their children. The matthews managed to keep a typical home. Despite despite the chaos around them their house was loud and boisterous and with five brothers young karen had to fight for every scrap of attention karen's earns mother june and karen sibling say it was clear early on that. She wasn't like the rest of them karen regularly skip school deal lied to her parents and did whatever it took to get attention from friends family members and especially boys but each fourteen eighteen. She and her mother were fighting. So much that karen went to live in a children's home for several years she moved home again briefly at age sixteen before going to live with her boyfriend and his parents a year or two later. Karen met her first serious partner john breton when she was nineteen nineteen and he was sixteen. They didn't bother with contraception and before long karen was pregnant. The young family moved into rundown council house. What is called public housing in the united states and struggled to take care of their new son. John maintains it was clear from the start that karen wasn't cut out to be apparent as they struggled to make ends meet he recalled pawning any valuable adams they had while karen insisted upon using the money to buy cigarettes instead of diapers. The couple regularly explosive fights. What's that made the neighbors worried for the baby's well being john later claimed that karen hit him with anything she could get her hands on for long and karen kick john out telling him she'd met someone new and within months she moved in with twenty year old leon rose with whom she she had two children in quick succession but their relationship quickly fell apart unable to resolve their differences. The couple went as far whereas splitting up the children leon took their toddler. Son and karen took their daughter shannon who was a newborn in nineteen ninety eight. Karen was just twenty three raising her four year old son and baby shannon alone but she was never really alone alone. In the next six years to more relationships and two more children followed by twenty eight she had five children with four different fathers and by all accounts was completely unable to handle it though soon only three of them were in her care hear karen's fifth child. Another daughter was taken by her father after karen threaten to throw the toddler out on the street cairns and family and neighbors became increasingly concerned. Her mother later recalled arriving at karen's house to find the children left alone in dirty diapers while karen and her friends watch tv and karen's former partners later claimed that she didn't care about her children every so often karen would send the children to stay with their grandparents when she felt she couldn't cope often family members would give her money for food food or diapers for the kids but they said karen always spent it on herself. Psychologists catherine decarlo santiago martha e wadsworth and jessica stump right that persistent poverty is severely damaging to a percents psychological health and can exacerbate pre existing issues for someone like karen who most likely had an undiagnosed mental health problem the destitution in housing instability. She experienced starting age fourteen likely worsened her psychological health. This decline would have made her less capable of taking care of others. Thus forcing her family to step in for her her older sister. Julie later recalled her horror at the state of karen's home. It seemed to julie away that karen never cleaned allowing her house to become infested with pests. One of karen's next door neighbors was similarly horrified by the filthy house once she took care of shannon and was shocked to find the toddlers feet so dirty that she could roll layers of dirt off them. The same neighbor called social services after realizing that karen was regularly hosting all night parties while her a young children were crying upstairs. Karen sister julie did the same but when social services visited they found no definitive signs of of neglect and well. There's no way of knowing why social services decided. There was no neglect happening in the matthews household. It's possible that the department officials is believed. Karen's family and neighbors were being discriminatory. According to researchers gordon jack and bill jordan in societies with greater her income inequalities and social divisions wealthier people are more likely to make incorrect allegations of child abuse against economically marginalized allies families in other words because she was on welfare. Social services may have felt that those reporting karen were being unnecessarily prejudiced prejudiced about her parenting all the same. The family was on the department's radar in late. Two thousand two karen's children were listed as at add risk. The psychological report from this time suggested that karen was unable to place the children's needs above her own in advised that she would would require constant monitoring however the kids were taken off the at risk register in two thousand four as social services decided that the family was settling down by two thousand and four twenty eight year old karen had moved she was living in a council house in the dewsbury more housing complex with three of her children including shannon around this time she met craig mehan an eighteen year old fishmonger who lived nearby and who was the younger brother of her neighbor amanda before long craig had moved in and become cairns. It's three kids surrogate father and within a year karen had another child a daughter but despite the change karen's old patterns saturn's continued soon the couple's relationship turned volatile craig often seemed like a pushover and was constantly harassed and maligned by his older partner but despite this he was determined to make it work though he was still a teenager himself craig tried his best to be a father other to the four kids in the house even so neither he nor karen was especially good at domesticity and shannon and her half siblings often showed up at school dirty and underfed but with craig's sister next door and cousins nearby the kids always had someone looking out offer them both karen and craig had sprawling complicated family trees craig came from a smaller immediate family than karen did but his mother was one of nine and craig had a number of cousins light karen almost all of his relatives lived in the broader dewsbury area yeah but one of them would soon become a conspirator and shannon matthews kidnapping craig's uncle michael michael donovan born paul drake had always been treated like the baby of the family he was indulged often and never are disciplined as strictly as his sisters struggled in school and was regularly picked on for being small and weird at eighteen. He changed his name to that of an action hero in his favourite t._v. Show hoping to imbue himself with some of the character strength michael started getting into trouble at an early age before he was even in high school he'd been in run ins with the law for shoplifting and arson and was subsequently sent to a school for kids. It's with learning disabilities but michael's life seemed to pick up once he got his driver's license already considered developmentally disabled disabled. He surprised everyone when he managed to pass his driving test. Having a license gave him the sense of freedom and empowerment he'd been lacking it also enabled him to hold down jobs as a truck driver and delivery driver. Unfortunately in nineteen ninety one michael was in a car accident accident and his van overturned on the highway setting him back yet again as part of his treatment he was sent to psychiatric counseling while there he met susan bird and the two fell in love and got married their relationship lasted nearly seven years and they had two children children before she left him amid mutual allegations of physical abuse michael was awarded custody of two daughters and threw himself into parenting them. Unfortunately however it became clear that he was incapable of taking care of them. The two little girls regularly showed up at school dirty and neglected but that wasn't the worst of it later. It came out that michael had been intensely controlling of his daughters. He forbade the girls girls from playing outside with other children and created a long list of odd house rules. A neighbor who wants babysat for them said there were notes everywhere. You were in the house telling the kids not to do things like open the fridge or answer the phone. The lack of independence could not have been healthy for the developing young girls. Thankfully it didn't take long before social services intervened in the early two thousands michael lost custody and the children genre placed into a foster home but michael still yearn to be a good father and missed his daughters if he could just get another chance he could prove it it so in two thousand six during a sanctioned visit with his older daughter michael took her to the distant town of blackpool and check them into a hotel under an assumed name now they could be a family again but the girl's foster parents quickly alerted the police that she hadn't returned owned and michael and his daughter were tracked down three days later. He was charged with abduction charges. Were ultimately dropped in the wake of his failure to get his daughter back. Michael struggled. He was on a range of anti-depressants and sleeping meds. Feeling <unk> is selected. He tried to date but struggle to make relationships stick but most of all michael missed his daughters who tried to do everything right but he'd failed over and over. He worried he'd never be able to get his life back on track and see his daughters again. When he met his nephew craig's girlfriend karen and her four kids he couldn't help but be jealous what he wouldn't give to have a family early again up next the entirety of britain becomes captivated by child's disappearance and karen and matthews hatches a plan birthdays anniversaries holidays. These are the important dates most people i tend to remember but the podcast network remembers important dates in true crime history every day the park last original today and true crime takes you back the biggest events in true crime that happened each day in history whether the crime is infamous or just plain interesting. There's a crime story for every day of the year. September third two thousand twelve griselda blanco cocaine godmother was gunned down in columbia october ninth. Two thousand two serial killer aileen aline were knows declined her final meal and was executed november twenty ninth nineteen eighty-one natalie wood drowned on a weekend boat trip today in true crime time is podcast first daily true crime podcast. You no longer have to wait for weeks to get your true crime fix with new episodes every day. You'll never run out of true. True crime content crime never takes a day off and now neither does podcast follow today in true crime for free on spotify and anywhere you you listen to podcasts now back to the story in late february two thousand eight in the west yorkshire town of dewsbury. Sorry nine year old shannon. Matthews life was normal. If depressing in the three weeks leading up to her kidnapping her mother karen and and karen's boyfriend craig didn't take much interest in her and when she struggled for their attention she was usually met with annoyance shannon always. I felt like she was the last priority because of her young age at the time of kidnapping very little is known about shannon's life before february two eight thousand eight beyond the facts of the adulterer rounder what we do know about shannon. Matthews has been filtered through those adults many of them on reliable in early. Two thousand eight shannon was just over four feet tall with long dark hair that she wore pulled back in a ponytail she she did well enough in school or at least well enough that our teachers weren't worried about her and she was generally well behaved. Put mostly shannon was good at blending into the background. She was often described by adults who newer as quiet and shy. She was bullied a bit at school and skittish around adults who paid or too much attention but her friends her own age described her as friendly the kind of little girl who'd get excited about doing activities and playing with their beloved bratz stalls. This behavior is typical of kids who grow up in an environment with parents who put their own needs above their child's. According to the the american addiction centers children of alcoholic and or abusive parents struggle with trust issues and are often afraid of or intimidated timid other adults they experienced tremendous anxiety and learned to keep their stress bottled up so as not to rock the boat at home. One place shannon felt comfortable was at her grandmother's house where she'd often have breakfast or hang out after school. Her aunt and grandmother mother always tried to keep an eye out for shannon and her siblings but they like most adults knew her as a generally timid child because she was reluctant into open up to grownups it was hard for even the well-meaning wants to know what was really going on in her head. Shannon also seemingly had a good relationship ship with her biological father leon rose her older brother lived with him his partner and their half siblings in a village ten miles from dewsbury. Sorry karen regularly let shannon visit them on weekends. Shannon loved playing in their large backyard and coming along on family outings but in the summer of two thousand seven karen leon had a fight about money and karen stop letting shannon visit him a little girl desperately. Mr father and siblings overwhelmed with sadness shannon wrote in magic marker on the wall next to her bed head that she wanted to go live with her dad but unfortunately her mother was making plans for shannon to live with someone else <music> around this time. A terrifying story was captivating. The british public in may two thousand seven the mkx hands a middle class family from england were on vacation when they're young daughter. Madeline was taken from her bed. The entire world world watched as a huge search was launched for the missing child. Her family and their supporters were regular fixtures on the british news and money poured into support port the effort to find madeleine tragically. The little girl was never found but the story dominated the news for months in dewsbury. The horrific case was as much a topic of conversation as it was anywhere in the country. Parents were horrified at the thought that a child could disappear. You're from her bed and everyone hoped it wouldn't happen to them. It's impossible to know how much karen paid attention to the disappearance of madeleine mccan but there's no denying that it had impacted her entire community less than a year later during the search for shannon the media would word consistently compare the two cases based on her later reactions to the press attention and comments about the mccann case it seems is likely that karen took note of how the mccanns had become public figures not to mention the six-figure rewards offered and millions of pounds hounds at had poured in to support the search effort in late two thousand seven karen was in debt and her relationship with craig was on the rocks in november. Two thousand seven craig's father died of a heart attack and the young man took it especially hard as he drank more either fights became increasingly aggressive and karen started to retreat to craig's mother's house nearby to escape the constant tension. It's also a possible that around this time. Karen discovered craig looking at child pornography. He was later convicted of several counts of possession. Listen after images were found on his computer. However the computer was known to be used by a number of friends and neighbors and craig always claimed his innocence. Several of these convictions were later cleared. If however he was looking at child pornography it only supports karen's claim that she he was unhappy with craig and looking for a way out any option that would not leave her and her children homeless karen i met michael donovan craig's uncle at craig's father's awake and the two started to run into each other more often at craig's mother's house house guest at the house claimed that karen and michael were all over each other after a few beers on at least one occasion and eventually the two you began to confide in one another karen told michael that she was unhappy in her relationship and looking to leave craig and soon michael invited her and her kids to stay at his home shortly thereafter on a bitterly cold morning in january two thousand eight the two met at a cafe in dewsbury michael later claimed that karen presented him with a plan to stage a kidnapping of shannon bannon in order to get money she planned to wait until a reward of fifty thousand pounds was offered when he protested. She threatened in to send some men. She knew to rough him up. Karen's accounts of that meeting was quite different in one version. She said she and michael worked out a plan for how how she was going to leave craig and get the kids to michael's house in another testimony. She claimed that they'd arranged for shannon to go live with michael for a few days so that karen and craig could sort out their problems and in yet another account she said the whole thing had been organized by craig's mom and insister and that she had no choice in the matter whatever the truth was it's clear that there were discussions in advance of shannon's hannon's disappearance held by the adults she was supposed to trust and there's no doubt that in the midst of these talks karen was struggling to take care era of her four young children even at the best of times she seems to have been a disinterested parents and this wasn't the best of times now she was <unk> overwhelmed by her children's needs as she struggled to manage her increasingly volatile relationship with crag and karen would do anything saying for some relief in fact for the past two years karen had been routinely feeding her daughter a combination of both prescription and nonprescription medication. A cocktail of drugs designed to keep shannon quiet and docile shannon. It was on a mix of antidepressants sedatives opiate painkillers and even travel sickness medication as a result shannon likely felt a bit woozy confused and tired at all times this at least partly explains why people often described a little girl as reserved served and timid it also would have made shannon easier for karen to control and then have kidnapped in the middle title of february two thousand eight. It seemed karen and michael finalized their plan to kidnap shannon. Michael later claimed that karen approached coached his car while he was driving past her house and reminded him of the next step but in one of karen's versions of events. She stated that that she only told michael that she wanted him to pick shannon up from school then. She intended to come over with their other kids. As soon as she'd worked up the courage to break a couple of craig either way the plan was set in motion and nine year old shannon timid drugged up and desperately missing thing her dad had no idea what was in store for her after the break we'll find out how shannon disappeared and how the plan for her kidnapping began to go awry now back to the story on monday february eighteen in two thousand eight nine year old shannon. Matthews wasn't having a good evening. It was bitterly cold in the dismal town of dewsbury but that didn't stop the little girl from running out into the night shannon had just stood up to craig her mother's boyfriend of the last four years possibly for the first first time due to the cocktail of sedatives and painkillers that her mother had been feeding her for nearly two years shannon was normally a very shy a child. The little girl almost never stood up to anyone even the bullies at school but tonight was different shannon in an had screamed back and even sworn at craig but though this was a first for shannon it was the final straw for her parents and they grounded her on the spot. What shannon ran out of the house sobbing. She went to her cousins down the street and begged her uncle her mom's brother to let her her stay there that night. She told him that she'd gotten in trouble and had been grounded and didn't want to go home. Her uncle didn't know what to do. His niece was was clearly upset but he didn't wanna get in the middle of a family argument. So we told shannon she had to go back and deal with the consequences has her older cousin walked her home. Shannon cried the whole way back the next morning on february nineteenth. Shannon didn't didn't want to draw any attention to herself. She just wanted to get out of the house and off to school. Before the argument reignited she quietly put on her school uniform puffy coat and her furry pink boots then she packed swimsuit in a towel in anticipation of the school swimming trip planned for that after noon and then shannon slipped down the stairs but karen was already up and as soon as she saw her oldest daughter she started shouting again this time she told shannon to leave and not come back on her walk to school. She joined her cousins including the one who'd walked her home. The night before she brought them up to speed on the latest with the family argument and then tried had to focus on the upcoming field trip to the swimming pool a few hours later shannon and her third grade class or year. Four in england took a bus to their afternoon swimming. Lesson shannon was a good swimmer and spent an hour or so with her classmates playing in the water. She loves these a trip to the pool. One of her friends would later say they were laughing and splashing each other and having a great time channon seemed to have finally shaken off the family fight right and then around three p._m. The class headed back to school by the time. The bus arrived at their elementary building. The weather took a turn for the worse. It was cold and windy and a thick fog had begun to roll in there was talk that it was going to be the coldest day of the year shannon in her classmates pile off the bus. Everyone hurry to get home now. The kids wanted to be out in the freezing freezing weather. They wave goodbye to each other and to their teachers and took off and so no one noticed which way ace shannon went. Everyone just assumed that she too was hurrying home. Instead shannon had spotted her uncle michael sitting being in his silver peugeot down the street and she ran over according to michael she jumped into the car and said that her mom told her he was taking her to the fair ear shannon anticipated evening of carnival rides and treats with her uncle michael but according to michael he and karen had never discussed discussed him taking shannon to the fair so he simply told shannon the weather was too bad and instead they'd have to go straight to his house and soon when they arrived at his two story flat on a nearby council estate there shannon head free rein michael let her watch cartoons owns all afternoon and told her she could pick whichever bedroom she wanted. She explored the entire home and after considering his daughter's old bunk beds shannon decided she wanted the double bed in the master bedroom according to court testimony. There's no reason to suspect that michael ever sexually shirley abused shannon his claim that he slept on the bunk beds was deemed truthful but while shannon explored her new surroundings unconcerned about wind. She'd see your family and friends again. The rest of the community was starting to realize that something was horribly wrong. Shannon normally arrived home from school around three thirty pm around the same time on tuesday february nineteenth two thousand eight. Karen erin ran an errand with craig's sister when karen got home and shannon's still wasn't back. She started to raise the alarm around four pm. Karen went to a neighbor's house asking if anyone had seen the nine year old ten minutes later she called the school to make sure that the bus had returned from the swimming trip trip then karen started checking with shannon's friends parents and the relatives shannon normally spent time with no one had seen her around seven pm more than three hours after her daughter should have been home from school. Karen called the police and reported shannon as missing. It took less than fifteen minutes for the local police to mobilize the temperature was rapidly dropping and time it was that the essence the police quickly arrived at karen and craig's front door but since making the call karen had gone out on a quick grocery run wall she was out craig and his brother-in-law grew aggressive as the officers attempted to search the house for clues as in many low income communities. This wasn't a neighborhood that had much faith or trust in law enforcement but the community quickly rallied around the matthews me and family and police officers. I teamed up with locals to scour the area investigators. Initial suspicion was that shannon had run away but karen strongly denied nine that possibility shannon had left for school as usual that morning. She said she told officers nothing had happened that would have prompted her precious daughter water to leave despite telling officers this karen desperately tried to think of another possible reason why shannon could have run away <music> she told police that perhaps it was because shannon's older brother had gotten a computer from school and that the little girl was jealous her logic seemed and almost contradictory she simultaneously insisted that shannon would never run away while also telling investigators that shannon must have runaway denial is a powerful self defense mechanism that according to doctors david a alexander and susan klein is a common and reasonable response to extreme stress it allows the individual a delayed period during which he or she has time to adjust to a painful reality in in fact karen seemingly contradictory denial could very well have been her natural reaction to her child's disappearance of course it could it also very well be the response of a liar that night has temperatures dropped below freezing practically really all the adults on the dewsbury moor estate were out helping the police search for shannon a child out alone on a night like this would freeze to death they had i had to search every inch of space in the area every park garage every shed in case. She got lost and had hidden somewhere scared. The police also knew that the first hours after a child's disappearance are the most crucial according to criminology professor doctor michelle giannis niece child abductors often kill their victims within hours of kidnapping them. The best chance of finding a missing child alive is within within the first day but as wednesday february twentieth dawned no signs of shannon had been found. If shannon had been taken taken and was miraculously still alive she could have been hundreds of miles away by now she could even be held in captivity by a dangerous predator predator. The possibilities were endless and disturbing but soon investigators would find that the reality of shannon matthews fused disappearance. Perhaps more twisted than they had imagined next week on hostage. We'll find out what shannon's life was like. During the weeks she was kept in michael donovan's apartment while one of the most expensive missing person searches in britain's history raged outside. We'll dig into the politics that fueled the discourse around the search and will examine what what it took to finally tip the scale for shannon to be found. Thanks thanks again for tuning in to hostage. We will be back next thursday with a new episode. You can find more episodes of hostage and all other podcast originals for free on spotify not only does spotify already have all of your favorite music but now spotify making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite par- cast originals like hostage hostage for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream hostage on spotify. Just open the app and type hostage in the search bar and don't forget get to follow us on facebook and instagram at podcast in twitter at par cast network. We'll see you next time in the meantime. Don't take your freedom for granted. 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Fritterin Away Genius

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Fritterin Away Genius

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Thought claude and the ladies and nervous. But they don't show it. Ed thorp isn't nervous. He's excited he's still in his twenties and he's an old hand in the casinos. Claude shannon stands right by the wheel. He's forty five years old slim and good looking with fine cheekbones and dark eyebrows. He's misdirecting the attention of the floor manager by scribbling down numbers. He looks like he's got some crazy system. That will inevitably bankrupt him. His at the other end of the table far from the wheel and far from shannon. He has dark hair around face and a smile. He's having fun placing his back with the confidence of a man who knows the unbeatable. Game is about to be beaten. This is a defining moment in a project that has been quietly taking over for a year when it began thorpe shannon. Didn't know each bella. Edward o thorp was a junior mathematics instructor. At mit claude. Shannon was the greatest computer scientists in the world. Ed thorp had planned to beat roulette and he needed shannon to help him systems to be true. Let alike blueprints for perpetual motion machines or formulas to turn lead into gold. They're absurd the pseudoscientific obsessions of cranks and claude. Shannon secretary had warned thought that professor shannon doesn't spend time on topics old people that don't entrust him was a legendary figure. People in his field talked about shannon the way physicists. Talk about our feinstein. What ed thorp was doing was much like buttonholing einstein and saying hey albert. I've got a surefire scheme for beating. The book is at the race track. An unknown young mathematician patently futile. Goal claude shannon. The computing. legend didn't hesitate take a seat. He said to thought we have a lot to talk about. I'm tim harford. You're listening to cautionary tale scott repeat. Please play some slower for the president. How do you receive sensor. Please say if you can read this. Can you re this. Yes how signals do you receive. Please send something. Please send vs and bees. How are signals messages from eighteen. Fifty eight represent a full day of attempted conversation via morse code. Who a cable lying three miles. Under the surface of the atlantic ocean the cable had been enormously expensive. And as you might guess it wasn't really working in an attempt to boost the signal. The projects engineer a man called wildland whitehouse cranked up the voltage. The cable melted. It had survived only twenty eight days over the years. Telegraph engineers figured out how to work around the problem of noise on the line. They built stronger cables with better insulation more sensitive detectors at the far end but nobody fully solved the problem of noise. Nobody even fully understood it until nearly a century later along came. Claude shannon gear was defined by two thunderbolts of insight and he was twenty one in nineteen thirty eight. His master's thesis showed that any logical statement could be evaluated by means with true or false being represented by switch his being open or closed those dots and dashes of morse code. Which just a hint of the possibilities armed only with open or closed on off dot or dash zero or wong. Machines could perform any operation in mathematics all logic and raw than merely proving. The point in abstract shannon was barely old enough to buy a beer showed electrical engineers how to efficiently build a logic machine. Claude shannon had bridged the vast gap between electrical wiring diagrams and thought itself unlocking the age of the digital computer shannon's second thunderbolt was published in nineteen forty eight when he was working at bell labs alongside several future nobel prize winners including the team that invented the transistor shannon returned to the deep problem underlying the transatlantic cable fiasco created a unified mathematical. Theory of transmitting information. Some of that theory seems obvious. From the viewpoint of twenty-first-century for granted that information bits and bites and gigabytes might represent anything a computer game or a spreadsheet or music or pornography. But that idea started with shannon before him research is only dimly grasped the distinction between the meaning of a message from the quantity of information it contained the idea of compressing a file. So that it took up less space with shannon's f- and so two was the utterly radical idea that any amount of noise on the line could be overcome didn't do that by cranking up the voltage and melting the undersea cable. Nor did you need to build better listening device or a thicker cable no matter how much distortion their wars. You could convey any message if you had enough patience or you had to do is add redundancy to the data. It's the inverse of compressing file. You add extra data to make the message more likely to be recoverable even in the presence of interference. That idea was unthinkable. Right up to the point. The claude shannon improved how to do it. This new theory of information was revolutionary and so elegant general that it could be applied to anything from the internet to genetic information dna even though the internet did not then exist and the double helix structure of dna had not yet been discovered. Shannon wasn't merely ahead of his time. He was the one who had wound the clock. Set it running olis' and he'd barely turned thirty. So what did shannon do for an encore is a description from his biographers. Jimmy sony and rob goodman of shannon's work ethic shannon late if at all and often spend the day absorbed in games of chess and heck's in the common areas when not besting his colleagues at board games. You would be found piloting a unicycle through bell. Labs is narrow passageways occasionally juggling sometimes he would pogo stick his way around the bell. Labs campus much to the consternation. We imagined of the people who signed his paychecks. Shannon wasn't goofing off completely. You often worked hard. But the projects he worked on seemed whimsical for example. He spent many hours at home. Playing with a colossal erector set. He built a robot mouse that could explore amaze and by trial and error on the first attempt learn how to reach its target flawlessly on the second run the robot mouse was clever and thought provoking and it might represented real progress towards artificial intelligence. If shannon had persisted with it but he didn't shannon built perhaps the first chess playing computer albeit be at one that could play only a radically simplified setup the end game with six pieces. He published a theoretical paper on computer chess. It could have been the of something but again lost interest. It seemed a shame if anyone could make progress with computer chess surely it was shannon. He was good. Shannon wants traveled to moscow and played chess with three time world. Champion mikhail botvinnik botvinnik sweat. When it wasn't chess it was juggling shannon. Try to figure out how to juggle upside down by hanging from the ceiling and bouncing balls off the floor. He built juggling. Robots two and a variety of machines designed to play abstract games such as sex and a rubik's cube solving robot and the juggle olmeta and aflame throwing trump and the ultimate machine. The ultimate machine is a box with the switch and a trap door flick the switch to turn it on a robot finger pops out of the trap door and flips the switch back again turn itself. All shannon made giant styrofoam shoes so he could walk on water with a nearby lake after shannon learned to juggle ride a unicycle and walk a tightrope formulated the aim of juggling on a unicycle on a tightrope last. Never got further than two out of three claude. Shannon's boss henry pollock said shannon has earned the right to be non productive and of course he had but come on your genius a thirty three years old kelly einstein of computer science and you unicycling pogo ing playing ball games shannon never again published anything like his theory of information never even came close once he promised the editor of scientific american an article on the physics of juggling. If that didn't seem trivial enough he followed this up with an unapologetic letter. You probably think i've been frittering. I say frittering away my time while my juggling paper is languishing on the shelf. This is only half true. I have come to conclusions recently one. I'm a better poet than scientists. To scientific american should have poetry column instead of his juggling research. shannon enclosed. A seventy line poem about rubik's cubes to be sung to the tune of tara boom. Da he added. I'm still working on the juggling paper. 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Psychologists have developed some attractive ideas about how success depends on practice and determination. There's angela duckworth. who's popularized the idea of grit. Carol dwags research on the growth mindset the late anders ericsson the source of the ten thousand hour rule made famous by malcolm bradwell. There are subtleties to each of these research. Programmes but the versions that have broken into popular culture a simple enough like some motivational poster. Nothing in this world can take the place off persistence. Talent will not nothing is more common than unsuccessful. People with type genius will not unrewarded. Genius is almost a proper. The slogan press on has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race. Isn't that great. It's often attributed to president calvin coolidge. But it's all of them. That claude shannon however seems not have gotten the message yet chief so much but if it stocked to a task couldn't he of achieved so much more instead. He was playing with flame-throwing trumpets juggling robots and silly poems and the impossible task of beating the casino at roulette for a junior at at thorpe spent a surprising amount of time in casinos using some ferocious mathematics and the best computers he could access at mit all figured out that it was possible to beat the dealer at the casino staple blackjack by keeping track of the cards that have been played in placing bets when the deck was offering favourable arts card. Counting is a familiar idea. These days it all started with ed. Thorp folks ideas were sophisticated enough to be worth. Publishing is an academic paper which he did but he wasn't content with that he wants to beat the casino to to do that. Thorpe had to learn to spot crooked dealing where a disguise count cards unobtrusively into the night and above all make sure he didn't get killed. That was no idle worry. One day thought made a little too much money in the casino spiked. His coffee with something mysterious that blurred his vision for hours. He came back. The next day in the casino tried it again but thought wasn't scared his idea to be true. Let with the boldest of all didn't have in mind a clever mathematical system. There are loads of them and he knew none of them work instead. He planned to build a computer ethic predict. The ball would land. That would be hard even today but the two time when computers were the size of pianos. This computer needed to be one that you could conceal inside your clothes. The world's first wearable computer decades before the fit bit google glass or the apple. Watch the per done. Some experiments on the timing of a roulette wheel with his wife. Vivian a woman who was both intelligent and indulgent. As you'd need to be if you were marriage to ed thought but to crack the problem he needed to team up with. Perhaps the best gadget here in the world claude shannon thought spent twenty hours a week. Challenge house who is in heaven. The basement was a gadget. Tears paradise motives transistors switches pulleys. Gears condensers transformers. I was now happily working with the ultimate gadget. Shannon thought were able to time the spin of the ball around and upper loop and the country motion of the wheel itself with practice. They were able to start a clock within one hundredth of a second and then stop the clock. Ten revolutions that gave them both the speed and the position of the ball relative to the wheel. Newtonian physics can do the rest. The result of months of experimentation taught them that using their computer to compute the path of the ball they could predict that it would fall into one of five numbers just over one eight of the wheel and expect to be right. Twenty percent of the time it seems modest advantage but the potential prophets were enormous. All they had to do was to figure out how to miniaturize not computer making it small enough to slip into a pocket and carry into the casino undetected. It was an astonishingly audacious project a huge effort for the final. Three weeks. Thought was effectively living shannon's house but by august nineteen sixty one. The device was ready with their accomplices. Vivian thorpe and claude's wife. The mathematician betty shannon the to gis is then took it to the casinos. The einstein of computer science was going to las. Vegas looking at claude shannon's career from age. Thirty three onwards it's hard to escape. The conclusion the might of achieve more much more if not for his habit of flitting between whimsical projects and typically setting them aside before they were finished but some very smart people would disagree vanavara bush arguably new more than anyone. About the way scientific progress occurred he guided science policy for the united states during the second world. War coordinating the efforts of six thousand. Researchers bush said that great scientists should range widely and keep changing things up in a speech to professors at. Mit bush advocated breadth rather than depth. It is unfortunate brilliant and creative mind insists upon living in a modern monastic cell. Bush's idea was later. Backed up by scientific investigation of scientists themselves in one thousand nine hundred fifty eight. A remarkable study was launched by a young psychologist named bernice ageism. The study followed a group of promising researchers as their careers unfolded periodically interviewing them and continuing even after eight. Jason herself died in nineteen ninety. Five four of the scientists eventually won nobel prizes. The findings of the ages and study support shannon's habits of flipping from one project to another scientists who'd most flourished over the decades had switched back and forth dozens of times. Won't you start looking for this pattern. You see it's everywhere. Isaac newton is most famous for formulating the law of gravity but made huge advances in mathematics and optics. He was the master of the royal mint and was fascinated by economics and devoted as much attention to alchemy is to anything else. Einstein published four astonishing scientific papers on four different topics or in the same year. Nineteen hundred fine charles. Darwin worked simultaneously on the theory of evolution. The definitive two volume work on barnacles and a book about the human infant began while his son. William was a baby and published. Just in time for william darwin's thirty eighth birthday multiple projects on unusual at the highest level of science. The norm not only that high. Achieving scientists often have time consuming side interests doing photography fine art or music at or near a professional level nobel prize winning scientists are substantially more likely to have serious hobbies than other leading scientists. Who in turn are more likely to have them than the rest of us. The later part of shannon's career fits right into this highly diverse pattern but then so does the early part back in one thousand nine hundred thirty nine shortly after his first thunderbolt. He wrote a note to an academic mental. Dear don't bush yes. vanavara bush. The man who knew everyone who mattered in mid century american science. Of course he was there to support the young. Claude shannon did dr bush. I've been working on three different ideas simultaneously and strangely enough. It seems a more productive method than sticking to one problem. When shannon wrote van of bush wasn't working on engineering logic it was working on genetics. He knew nothing about the subject but swiftly produced a completely new kind of algebra to describe and analyse genetic inheritance. The work was intriguing and wholly original but needed developing. Did channon develop it. He did not in fact he never even bothered publishing it neither. Did he ever return genetics. Later scholars lament the loss. His new al-jabbur might really have advanced the field but sticking with genetics might also have meant. He never had his second thunderbolt on information theory between those two thunderbolts. Shannon didn't just switch fields. He lit a rich and complicated life. He married and then divorced. Within a year he moved to manhattan spice things up. It played chess in washington square park. He played clarinet. The loved the jazz scene in new york. He swam by tennis. Stayed up too late and played his music to lower. All list was happening. When shannon was at the peak of his intellectual powers. shallan didn't just hit thirty five. Then abandoned serious. Thinking in favour of playing around shannon was playing around all along. Maybe shannon's lavrov frittering say frittering away his time on juggling unicycling or music or chess. 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But i think points to something deeper. Psychologists have identified a tendency called completion bias. If you've ever assembled a list of things to do and ticked off all the easy ones while ignoring the important stuff. You've demonstrated completion bias. That apparently admirable tendency assistance. The determination to finish what we start. Well it can be twisted and perverted. If we feel compelled to reach the finish line we also feel tempted to choose. A short racetrack is more at stake here than making ourselves feel better by cheating with our own to do lists. Psychologists recently started completion bias in high stakes setting a hospital emergency department. They found that the busier. The emergency room becomes the more. The doctors look for quick wins the patients who aren't really very ill and can therefore be treated swiftly and ticked off the list. And this behavior is counter-productive the more seriously ill patients longer. Of course and the doctor start to slow down after working through a lot of fairly trivial cases. I expect we all know the feeling but in their subconscious desire to see some work through to completion. Doctors were harming the patients who were in greatest need claude shannon's willingness to set aside projects starts to look like a strength rather than a weakness shannon certainly could focus with building information theory from scratch or building a wearable computer to be true let yet shannon also seemed to half an inner confidence that allowed him to declare victory at any point that suited him. If a piece of work was not good enough to publish fine he was happy to leave it. Unpublished that juggling paper an example but so too was his early. Were genetic algebra. One of claude shannon's colleagues at bell lamps praised him. As a man of infinite courage he was talking about shannon's intellectual daring a willingness to march into unknown territory to begin the search for solutions to problems. That seem does unbeatable as roulette. But perhaps courage is not quite the right word to describe shannon's approach. I prefer insouciance. claude shannon. Just wasn't worried. He didn't feel completion bias. The way you and i feel it he would walk away from any project at any time without regret and if he was willing to abandon a stalled project where was the risk and if there was little risk why talk about courage shannon. Didn't need courage. He just needed the ability to move on in august. Nineteen sixty one clawed and betty shannon met ed. And vivian thorpe in a hotel room in las vegas claude. An ed prepared the wearable computer system which required both of them to operate shannon controlled the computer itself the size of a cigarette packet with twelve transistors in it. He used his toes to trigger silent. Mercury switches in his shoes thorpe whose research into blackjack had given plenty of experience. Hanging around and casinos was the one who had placed the bets. He had a radio receiver and an earpiece connected to a hair. Thin steel wire. The earpiece played an ascending musical scale. Shannon would use the toe switches to time a rotation of the wheel and then the counter rotation of the ball. From the moment it passed a reference mark thorpe would hear the musical scale stop on a continuous note. At the moment that shannon finish timing the rotation and the pitch of that continuous note would indicate which part of the wheel. The ball was likely to drop thorpe. Still had a few seconds to place bets and collect the money dope new from hard experience that they had to be careful. That device wasn't illegal. It was far too inconceivable for that but it wouldn't go down well and discovered beating the casino required. More than just beating the game. That's why the shannon's and the thorpe's stroll up to the table separately pretending not know each other it's why claude shannon's scribbling numbers down distracting the floor manager of what he's really doing all the while he's gazing intently at the wheel from under his dark eyebrows and his toe silently pressing and releasing the hidden control of the computer and while thorpe is standing at the end of the table cheerfully placing his bets. Earpieces receiving the signals shannon's little computer and giving thorpe predictions in the form of musical tones. Full he's winning. Not everything goes smoothly. Fine wires to folks earpiece break several times requiring a trip to the bathroom to fix them. One moment a horrified observer sees the earpiece come loose and think some strange insect is crawling out of thorpe zia but on mentally. The computer works perfectly. Chips are stacking up fast. At the end of the visit to vegas. The shannon's authorpe pondered their options and thorpe was bullish. He'd beaten casinos before and was happy to do it again. But betty clawed and vivian once shore. It had been an exhilarating day. Was nerve wracking one in casinos simply banned players. Who seem to win too much for any reason. So making the computer pay on a regular basis would require constantly concealing their identities. Thorpe was forced to admit they had a point. The computer clearly worked and in theory they could use it to make millions but was it worth the effort. The risk shannon thorpe had had their fun and proved their point to that own satisfaction and claude shannon had other projects to play with so after months of hard work. The world's first computer was retired undefeated after a single trip to vegas decades later reflected. i have always thought. It was a good decision. When i i thought about writing. This cautionary tale. I thought it would be a warning not to lose. Focus like shannon did. I've changed my mind. Now i think shannon and thorp inspirational figures. The cautionary tale isn't a warning to keep your focus instead. It's a warning not to focus too much. Don't commit yourself so totally to a project. You lose heart or lose sight of creative ideas or lose your freedom to change course. There's one last lesson. I think we can draw from claude shannon's ability to move on in their vegas hotel room. A shannon equipped thorpe with his piece in the fine connecting wires shannon had cocked his head to one side and smiled impatiently. What makes you tick. It was a joke about the fact that thought was plugged into a machine but young thorpe took it as a deep question from an older and wiser man. What did make take professional gambling academic mathematics or something else but then why choose shannon seem to do it all from academia juggling and so in the end would have thought you can find interviews with him well into his eighties. Still shop has anything reminiscing about blackjack. And academic mathematics and the hundreds of millions of dollars he eventually made. After analyzing the patterns in financial markets as one of the first quotes. One of the intriguing ideas in claude shannon's mathematical theory of communication is that a message can be compressed to the precise extent that it is predictable. A movie can be compressed because each frame tends to assemble the previous one. A compression algorithm doesn't stole the new frame instead it stores a series of deaths changes from the previous frame movies with lots of cups or fast dramatic movements a harder to compress. The same is true more or less with the way we remember our lives but the brain is not a video recorder and doesn't store deaths. It does compress memories by recalling the gist of experience by get up in the morning at the usual time in my regular breakfast. Walk the usual route to the station and catch. The same train is always to the office. My brain doesn't trouble itself to remember march. The deaths on worth bothering with a life. That's too predictable creates memories. That's what prisoners sometime say about years behind bars that remember much because it was all the same all the pandemic lockdown for me apps for you involved sitting in the same seat doing the same thing everyday. Life in lockdown was thin and forgettable. The opposite experience is a vivid vacation somewhere packed with new sights and smells the people the language the architecture of food these complex rich experiences defy compression. The a too big so the memories are rich has really only been ten hours since i arrived. Ask yourself feels like a week so if you want a full line rich with memories. Keep searching for new experiences like shannon. Don't be afraid to declare victory and start afresh shannon. Did everything the jazz and the juggling and chess. The intellectual journey from genetics to the rubik's cube jokey robots in the flame throwing trumpet and he really did turn upside down the way the world thought about digital information. Not once but twice twice in the key. Sources for this episode. With jimmy soni and rob goodman's biography of claude. Shannon a mind that play and edward thorpe's autobiography a man for all markets for full list of references. See tim halford dot com. Cautionary tales is written by me. Tim harford with andrew. It's produced by ryan daily and marilyn rafts. The sound design original music of the work of pascal wisely. Julia barton edited scripts starring in this series of cautionary tales. Are heading bottom. Carter and jeffrey right alongside nizara at gone. Melanie gutteridge rachel. Hansel cotner smith rag lockett messiah monroe and rufus right. The show would not have been possible without the work of meal. Lebel jacob weisberg had the fain john schnauzers. kelly mcclary. Eric samba. 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March 14, 2020: Shannon Matthews Discovered Alive

Today in True Crime

15:08 min | 1 year ago

March 14, 2020: Shannon Matthews Discovered Alive

"Today is Saturday march fourteenth. Twenty twenty on this day in two thousand eight nine year old Shannon Matthews was discovered in a flat in Dewsbury West Yorkshire England. She'd been missing for twenty four days. Welcome to day and true crime. Apar- cast original today. We're covering the discovery of Shannon Matthews. A nine year old girl from West Yorkshire England who went missing in the winter of two thousand eight after failing to come home from school on February nineteenth. Her Mother Karen Matthews contacted the police in a state of distress. The story sparked an intense search for Shannon that captured the nation's attention for weeks but twenty four days later the police were no closer to finding her and had essentially given up any hope. That Shannon was still alive. That would all change around one PM. On March fourteenth two thousand eight it was a typically cold grey wet Friday afternoon in Dewsbury and the weather was doing little to improve the moods of the county's residents the local playground and badly car had gone practically unused for weeks swings dormant chains creaking in the wind. The same flier plastered every lamp. Post street sign displaying. The smiling girl with a pony tail of dark brown hair Shannon Matthews was the second missing British girl to capture the nation's attention in less than a year the first three year old Madeleine McCann had vanished in May of two thousand seven and had never been found. She remained in the news for months. Of course the mccanns had come from higher stock nine year old. Shannon Matthews came from a poor family and was already losing her place in the headlines after only twenty four days but not in Dewsbury for the small West Yorkshire Community. The disappearance had hit troublingly close to home. Especially when Shannon's mother Karen Matthews appeared on the evening news tears streaming down her face as she pleaded Shannon flees. Come home. You are not in trouble. That was over three weeks ago. It was common knowledge among the West Yorkshire Police that most child abductors killed their victims within hours officers. Were relatively certain that Shannon Matthews would not be coming home alive. That didn't mean the search was over in fact it was quickly becoming the precincts. Most expensive investigation in decades constables had spent countless hours tracking down and interviewing the many family members of Karen Matthews and her boyfriend Craig Mehan so far they had no significant leads. And so it was that detective constables. Paul Ketil fifty five and Nick Townsend. Forty-nine found themselves at a row of apartments in lid gate gardens just before one in the afternoon on March fourteenth. They'd been dispatched to check up on yet. Another relative in this case. An uncle of crags named Michael Donovan. Donovan didn't answer the door but the constables knocking alerted one of his neighbors. The neighbor was curious as to how the investigation was going and insisted that the tenant must be home after all his silver. Peugeot was parked right out front in clear view. Soon a second neighbor emerged from the apartment directly. Beneath Michael Donovan's the elderly woman who introduced herself as June badly confirmed that she had heard Michael Moving about in the apartment earlier in the day she thought it sounded like a Man. At least the footsteps were certainly much heavier than the pitter-patter of a child's feet she had heard over the last few weeks twenty minutes later a battering ram crashed through the door of. Michael Donovan's apartment. Dc's Townsend. Dan Kettle. Well streamed inside flanked by three more members of the West Yorkshire Police Force. They moved methodically through the kitchen and the living room but the apartment seemed completely devoid of life. The master bedroom was locked but the battering Ram made short work of it. The room appeared to be just as empty as the rest of the apartment but the faint scent of cigarette smoke filled the air and the bedsheets. Were still warm. Someone had just been there but we're they'd gone. The constables couldn't say at least until they heard it a faint. Weak voice called out. Stop It. You're frightening me. The men shared a look before they knew what was happening. The bed began to jostle and move. Suddenly the head of a small girl popped out of a hole in the baseboard drawer. She was crying distraught and clearly bewildered by the arrival of the policemen. She continued to crawl out of the bed until she stood before them. I'm Shannon she said without a word. Dc Kettle well scooped up the sobbing nine year old. He carried her out of the bedroom down the stairs and out the front door to the police van waiting outside a few minutes later the officers still inside the apartment. Received a call over their radios. It was kettle well with a message from Shannon. Mike's where I was he's under the bed constable Matthew. Tricky knelt down so he could peer through the whole that Shannon had crawled out of inside the frame of the bed layup thirty nine year old man curled in a fetal position as the officers approached him. Michael Donovan kicked and squirmed. He even tried to bite but eventually they manage to drag him out from under the bed and down to the curb once he was safely handcuffed and locked in a second van. He finally seemed to calm down after a few minutes. He croaked out a single phrase. Get KAREN DOWN here. The constables shared a look of consternation. No doubt wondering what Donovan wanted with. The mother of the girl he abducted and held for twenty four days. We've got a plan. He offered by way of explanation. We are sharing the money coming up. What first appeared to be a typical case of child abduction unravels into a twisted sordid tale of betrayal and neglect pilots nurse. I'm excited to announce that crime junkies Ashley. Flowers has a new podcast original series. I think you'll really enjoy. It's called supernatural with Ashley. Flowers and you can find brand new episodes every Wednesday. We all know that most mysteries can be solved by looking at the facts but sometimes the facts don't lead to a logical explanation and the truth lies somewhere in the unknown in supernatural with Ashley. Flowers Ashley takes a deep dive into the strange and surreal to explain some of the world's most bizarre true crime occurrences each week. She'll dig into a different crime or mystery where the most fitting theory isn't always the most conventional from exorcisms to unsolved murders to alien abductions. Ashley will take on. The tails challenge the unexplained and dissect the facts with a heavy helping of skepticism and rationale. So are you ready to get to the bottom of history's most peculiar events? Follow supernatural with Ashley. Flowers free on spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Now back to the story on March fourteenth two thousand eight nine year old Shannon Matthews was found in the apartment of thirty nine year old. Michael Donovan the uncle of her mother's boyfriend. The police officers who rescued Shannon were relieved and astonished to find that she was still alive. Investigators Hope Shannon will be able to explain what had happened to her but it quickly became clear that this would not be possible. She was traumatized and extremely confused. Doctors would soon determine that she had been drugged for weeks with a cocktail of sedatives. Painkillers antidepressants and travel. Sickness pills likely in an attempt to keep her quiet and docile. The only thing Shannon seemed certain of was that she did not want to see her mother. Investigators were initially confounded by. Michael Donovan's assertion that Shannon's own mother was behind the abduction. So far Karen Matthews had behaved just as they expected a worried. Mother should but some of Karen's closest friends soon told them that she was anything. But a loving mother and they believed she was putting on an act for the press when the investigators pressed Karen with these accusations she finally broke down and confessed. She admitted she had known. That Shannon was with Michael Donovan but she had never wanted anything less than the best for her child. According to Karen she'd been planning to leave her boyfriend Craig for some time but was worried about what he would do when he found out. Michael Donovan had supposedly recognized the young mothers distress and offered to give her and her kids a place to stay away. Karen said that the plan was to leave Crag on the afternoon of February nineteenth. She asked Michael to pick Shannon up after school and would meet up with them later. That evening with Shannon's siblings but Craig surprised her by staying home from work. Karen didn't want to reveal that she'd been planning to run but also didn't have an explanation. For where Shannon was Craig's family had pressured her to call the police and report Shannon Missing and she'd caved then the media story had gotten out of control and the mother hadn't known what to do that was Karen Matthews story or the most coherent version of it. At least the details and excuses kept shifting and changing. Meanwhile Michael Donovan had an altogether different version of events. Michael and Karen had met at Craig's father's wake a few months prior Craig had taken the death. Hard and their relationship had suffered. Meanwhile Karen and Michael had grown close. Then in January of two thousand eight Karen came to Michael. With a plan to stage and abduction Karen would report Shannon missing then play the role of hysterical mother to garner media attention. Meanwhile Michael would keep the girl at his apartment. Once the reward for Shannon reached fifty thousand pounds he would quote find Shannon and split the money with Karen Neither Karen nor Michael would agree to the others version of events but it was clear that both were lying to some degree and that they knew each other fairly well they were tried as accomplices in the kidnapping on December fourth. Two Thousand Eight Karen Matthews and Michael Donovan were found guilty of kidnapping false imprisonment and perverting the course of justice. They were sentenced to eight years in prison while we may never know exactly what happened to Shannon Matthews during her twenty four days in captivity. It's clear that she survived. Childhood fraught with abuse and neglect. She was repeatedly betrayed and mistreated by the very adults. She should have looked to for protection and comfort during the course of the trial. The prosecution presented evidence that Shannon had been regularly drugged for years. But in the end Shannon's story is one of hope after the trial she was placed in foster care and given a new identity. She wouldn't ever be neglected drugged or hidden inside a bed again wherever she is today. We hope that she's happy and safe. I'm Vanessa Richardson. Today and true. Crime is a par cast original. You can find more facades of today in true crime and all other podcast originals for free on spotify today in true crime was created by Max Cutler and is a podcast studios original. It is executive produced by Max Cutler. Sound design by Anthony Val sick with production assistance by Ron Shapiro. Carleen madden and Aaron Larson. This episode of today in True Crime was written by Andrew. Kelleher with writing assistance by Maggie. 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3162: Beyond Meat w/ Shannon Noll

Keith and the Girl Comedy Talk Show

51:07 min | 1 year ago

3162: Beyond Meat w/ Shannon Noll

"Welcome McKee from the girl. I'm Keith Malley Hamda Him. The people are loving my girlfriend on yesterday's show. I know he's a lovely person to that. I say easy calmed down. She's taken anybody you know relax. I wanted to bring this up and I forgot. She works at a gym. She's a manager and her oldest son. Teenage boy comes over comes over to the gym and when she's not looking he typed in the computer and left the tab open will smoking mocking we'd which he caught him with many times will smoke weed. Ruin your brain forever. That's good. No it's not good new. It's not goodness gives a fuck. He what she's telling him into doing. He had she's wrong. He had to add forever. Okay yes it will. It'll ruin your brain if you're too young but forever and ever right. I think that's a nice Google search. Will I still be able to talk and stuff. Send I think that also as a teenager he needs is to understand what hiding shit is. What is this what I'm saying. We already break in your fucking rank. Left the TAB open on your mom's computer at work. That's ridiculous a Cumulus Mike. I look back. I definitely like to my parents all the time when I was seventeen because they didn't let me do anything but you know I did them a favor and try to be good at it. Yes yeah they want to ignore it. As much as I do at some point. What are we going to keep having the same conversation keep them grow dot com slash forms of course you can leave comments to the shows somebody. I started a thread about Keith and the girl dreams. They have dreams that the listener has shoe booty says the busted up her knee. I had this dream that I had to pick her up from from the doctor's appointment and bring her home one day because it was raining really badly then when I got her into my apartment safely. She was very aggressively coming onto me and trying to get made it. This is a woman writing and trying to get a hummer leg while making out it was odd but hot. Here's another one that's just so you know. Take the question Mike Off. That was definitely hot. I mean it's a fucking dream. Just decided taught yeah but there's a little aggressive while she likes it. Aggressive trash interested in the dream tragically revisit. Is it right in somebody. Else's dream come to sing with you wanted tragically reserved says years ago. I dreamt. I was going to a Keith and the girl con convention. I was really excited when wearing my keith moon girl. What do we do now t-shirt as I was walking in. I noticed a bunch of people walking around the convention floor with brother. Love froze tight jeans and scarves. I woke myself self OBE laughing. Sometimes dream gets to grazie today's gas crater and lead in the web series. Just call me. Ripley performs at the laugh factory second consider among other places a semi-finalist in the NBC stands up Competition Shannon Noll. Hey thanks for having me. Thanks for being here. It's good to see you again. Shannon Shannon Shannon of course follow on twitter and Instagram Shannon L. Knoll yet right. That's correct Shannon noll's there is an Australian Shannon Noll who is super famous. He was the winner of Australian idol. I believe like in two thousand and six or something like that. Does that only soccer does does it have a positive side. It has a positive side. I got trolled internationally for playing Barron trump in a stage play and he got most most of my trolls okay so that was fantastic. That's when you know nobody knows what they're mad at. What's going on and he's like I live in Australia. Eh you down under singing. MOTHERFUCKER had the balls to great the names they call them a speaking of the forums people of course commenting on episode three thousand one hundred sixty almost on a jingling libido. Jesus had just stopped at the full title Connor Creggan and we talked of course about my dad starting again with these emails to me and in regards to me and my ex though the whole saugus continuing come to could you fill people in the fast as fast as you okay so Keith. Dad is a motherfucker the end just a few months ago contacted his ex. They were already divorced for two years. He set he said hey whatever happened between you and Keith. She said Hey Keith. This is an email from your dad. Make It stop key said. Can I just decide that. I'm going to email my dad as is you. She said please leave me out of your life. Finally I divorce you two years ago. He started contacting his dad as if he's ex cat we call them the not cat emails. Things got heated in several different ways. Religion lies things that Keith unearthed that he never knew before about his dad threw his ex wife including looting him saying things like you make this old man's Libido Jingle amongst other nauseating things now were caught up but at some point Keith's dad decide to also contact Keith so for Awhile Keith was contacting his dad as himself and as his ex and here we are and to get all the details keeping the girl dot com slash Dad Dad. It's hours of fun. That's amazing. Did this at no point. Did you mix up your identity but his dad did Ding Ding Ding Yeah. How did this this thing you're talking about. I didn't talk to you about it. Would've what is this but I knew me as cat talked about it because while I'm just saying saying maybe you know and it leads to maybe don't know your ex as well as you should and I go dad. What does that mean wow and he goes. I I'm not at liberty to tell you. I'm only at liberty to tease you so he'll is amazing after that. You can keep stuff straight. I love where you go for his business deals. You know what you should do. I have a deal for you so I said why you way. Why are you doing this teasing. It's weird. He's like I'm not teasing. I'm just telling you you don't know things about her that you should because all of a sudden hit him when cat stopped writing that she might tell me that Bentley Dad's a pervert so he's trying to he's trying to drop the whole thing wow so you did you did what you set out to do. Yeah and I'm waiting skulls Shannon just taking the positive side of life so it's amazing and thinking about how it ends at the very end. That'd be like all right that what is more practical. Let's say I wrote the emails after finding out about them and made all this up or some more practical that my ex wanted to win me back even though she knew us was somebody but then somehow fell in love with you which was more. Which one do you think is true that I'm curious what he'd say to well out of the blue. I was saying the other day he wrote me. Even though you know things Iraqi now right between me demanded a how're you doing son. He writes and I said good. Thanks yeah. It's very thought out and warm that sounds that sounds. I mean in just incredibly nurturing Will we be seeing you. He rates at some point this year. I do realize that this is one very long trip. He's in Pittsburgh. Were are in New York. I said I'll be more comfortable to visit after I hear these ex-wife secrets. You've been hinting about any rates. I am sorry I am not at liberty to discuss gusset. You'll simply up to take my word for what I have recommended now. I've thought about if Keith you really didn't know what was happening. This I mean this is stuff that you could really I mean this is insanity. Yeah I really I mean in a in the just normal human world. I can't believe that your dad is doing this like such. A It's such an insane for a dad to do. I think he is an alien. I think that's insane yeah. What is it why what is end game with this eight. He enjoys pastor master of the universe. I've learned he enjoys causing drama to fix drama the younger the end game for him. It's not an end game but it's attention he once since here's a here's a way for attention figure out a figure out why or how later side note he has no friends or no life okay so sister sue yeah. This is his television. Yes it is yeah he's making the TV doesn't understand why don't know my lines. Could you just pay him a ticket to like an escape room or something. Just leave him there. Yeah just put them in an he'll be so enthralled you know he would find clues that aren't there okay the door said escape. NYC So NYC what are the numbers if those of the letter and that would mean dad closer in this room if keys wherever to be needed to be tortured for some MHM reason. It's not play one song over over again. He'd actually probably enjoy that like a crazy person that he is. It would be to be with his dad in escape room. Oh yeah it has to take all suggestions he has to be the one feels what his dad wants to do. Only allowed to say yes and no he's is a little trickster and that's why he thinks his kids are tricksters like when we say something he finds different meaning in it and he does that. I've realized because he never says what he means. Whoa I remember it hit me one time and I told the story a couple of times but I was eighteen and there is this second genesis than it had the we see the attachment and you could play and the CD games were mostly videos that you would see and I had this Sherlock Holmes game and you would follow Sherlock Holmes talking to the different people in the community and you'd have to determine what to do next mistake grand theft auto but like thought no action thought thought auto but you're watching boring video instead of killing people and Driving Carson Cher Cher so I'm watching the scene with my dad. I think maybe we'll bond a little bit and this woman given out these clues. You have to figure out what's real. What's a red herring and then you hear a bird in the background chirping. 'cause it's done outside at my dag us. Okay Okay see if somebody in the neighborhood is named Birdie or I go what the bird in the background was a clue why that is you're not like that. Can I ask you does your dad. Does your dad like conspiracy theories. He just likes the arising but he doesn't doesn't know thoughts. He's just like he's just like very in the moment like okay like imagine. You're on the on the bathroom thrown. You're like oh the thing that just came out of my ass. Just talk about it yeah. He's very he's like a child. He is like there's a table. We'll hear that must mean something and I'm like well. I'M NOT GONNA look at it that angle because it makes no sense so what if we go by the words of the people said in the game you know what the worst is though there are movies who do stuff like that like. Oh that bird in the background. That's how we solve the whole problem or if you like that doesn't help people like no because I remember watching a movie where they were they were looking for this woman and the guy happened to have a thing that said New York on the table and the guy opposite of him says Look Up York. That's exactly what she would do. She's in New York and her name is York and she reveals. She loves reversing words. I'm good the thing you found the right word to reverse now. They found her and everything's just terrible for her. That's amazing so like yeah. It's just happened to be. It's none of the other words in that apartment. It's that one particular your crimes with fork. She's having dinner right now. Yeah Yeah Yeah well. I said I'd be more comfortable if you let me know and he said I'm sorry I'm not at liberty to discuss it. You have to take my word for what I recommended and there was nothing he recommended. That's tangible he. He said you know. You should know your ex better than you do. Wow that's that's what he recommend. That's what he recommends. That's not a that's not a Tantrum. It's not a thing you can do right. That's not something that's not go to the grocery store or ask. Maybe even ask Oscar about this. I talked to cat. I said and I guess your correspondence was by email. She'll be traveling but when she gets back. She said she can send them to me. That's emails work. She has to give back. I look forward to discussing it with you. Thanks that's what I wrote and then my dad said when I know you know I can then discuss with you. Wow so he's doing a little bluff and like there's no way cats gonna say to me you trying to poke your dad yeah. That's what he's counting on. Yeah Yeah Yeah and so what whatever little information you do get from her. I'm smart enough to justify that away yeah so I'll take every little. I think there's no way there's no she sent you all the email irate email like an old person. I don't put subject in there. I this is my dad thinking. I don't I start new threads all all the time. She won't even be able to find everything that's true but if this again if you didn't know what was going on with cat and you aren't actually in touch with her like you'd be freaking out crazy. I would go mental. There's so many mental. That's so crazy somehow. She invented a way to give you cancer like what couldn't be. That's like to give you cancer. What is what is my father hiding from me about my ex. I was in bed with her. You know what I mean like. I was closer. What the fuck is. She telling you divorced for two years and he rates the her. Hey whatever happened to you and Keith. She writes hey. I'm glad you brought up trying to get him back. Could I yes. He says I think you could even though I was at his place with my girlfriend front and the three kids were mentioned seems like it's pretty much a done deal yet. That seems like what is it. Oh so he's just he's really meddling. He's just like we stir up here. I know that Keith is happy right. Now we do in the name of Jesus Christ of course yeah absolutely and the Holy Ghost Yeah Right. They're all involved the HE LOVES HE LOVES TO BE HE CAUSES. The problems in loves to be the hero. He's waiting for me to come to him be like. I can't believe the ex wife yeah hitting on you. It's disgusting. I'm so sorry yeah and then he loves so glad you're my dad then. He looks forward to going. I know I tried to warn you know Hannah. Absolutely what if you say what you say like on okay so this whole relationship that I was with my ex wife. I actually thought that you had a lot of chemistry so I'm actually okay so grateful that this is happening and you have my blessing to go for it. All you have such an innocent face but that was pure and you said it's a lovely do that's why I have an innocent face so I can do like if home and see what's good about email is that then he can you know stir that shit up in his head if vice said to him face to face would he then be like what I think he would but if it's an email he'll he'll go what and then go. I guess yes it serious. I will take this seriously. Yeah I think face to face he would dismiss you. Walk away and be like you. Don't even know what you're talking about in life. If you're not gonNA take this seriously yeah yeah but in the email it's words you can let them sit with yeah. It's back you cannot respond for a week and let him sit even longer yeah yeah. That's what we're doing right now while he's wondering if I am actually talking to my but how funny he just he's. He's like he's. He's hoping it's a bluff off. I'm like well. I didn't push it. I can easily see gone yeah. I know everything and you can believe it or not. You're fucking disgusting yeah. That's a good one until MHM and I do think I would curse to in this situation as he misses called we check the the Mommy Daddy Guide. You're allowed to we put up the poll will keep his parents this calendar year sixty seven percents audiences now and it's getting close to the holiday so I don't see how this can be resolved in in time right. I don't think so so I don't think it could be resolved ever so yeah. That seems like a bigger issue. A little bit licked one. I what is he going to turn on ice person that you want to visit no but he will let it go when I tell him he'll be mad then. Let it go eventually. I've I've been disowned many times. I'll be disowned again. Then he'll be fine then somehow I'll be the coolest song because I'm able to let it go because on the one doing it so not really offended. Don't you love the the disowning at especially threat of it at forty five right now yeah yeah. What does that entail once you get disowned or. He's basically disowning himself because he's going to get to an age where he needs. It's to be taken care of yeah. You're right now. I've been disowned many times nowhere eleven as an adult every time was as an adult so I can't take the car out now. I'm tally extra dish duty cares. I'll miss out on these emails. Okay I'm disowned but is my ex's disowned the I have to. They still get to talk to you. Wait disowned no more. Please own me opposite me. I need to put on my resume daddy last time we tried to punish me was he was upset at me and so he said he wasn't going to come to my wedding yeah and so. I'm like okay. I just don't want it to be weird for the other person's family right my wife's family but then last minute of course he was like you know what I'm willing to come in. I'm like okay who who cares but of course you are because that's attention to you. That's up people will say congratulations to you. I look what Eh Proud to Keith wore tuxedos somehow that reflects you. I just ate lobster. Somebody WHO's marrying your son pay for. They did good yeah. Look at this. Look at all. This haggarty gift from this j eighty six first time post on the form says longtime listener. You guys were still doing opening prayers when I got hooked proud. VIP member to Time Commoner. I think not catch should email key stat that irate and angry and kept saying quote. Could you tell Keith we were in touch. I thought you said you can keep a secret. So many ways to go is asking to see our emails. But what can I show show him. You're telling me to try to get back together. Even though he was with his new girlfriend we confess our feelings for each other is so good. How can you do this to me and then have them both Kalou and then have them both collude and lie about how they can deal with this issue. How do I like the heck because it drags it out long yeah. Oh yeah good show guys keep up the great et CETERA. Why you Christmas is here already. Make your decision. I like that one so we do it that way. We do okay great. I love that. I can't tell if I'm like sick for myself or your dad. His name is Jay Eighty six on alerts Anthony Sexual position. That's famous Heathrow. Dot Com Slash Dad. You'll you'll be able to catch up and hear everything that's going on but you know what that's what's going to happen. I believe Cat's GonNa Right and go but you promised. Oh Man your secret keeper yeah. That's great. Lanphier says old people not understanding understanding technology is hilarious. We're also reading a story about a guy. A girl said that her dad twenty to grow This woman said that her dad is getting messages from trump text messages from clear but she knows that no from some phone. She knows that it's fifteen year old brother. That's actually doing it. Oh my Gosh lanphier saying these old people might colleague joined Instagram last year and a few days later proudly told us that Prince Harry started to follow her her when we told her that that sounded unlikely she spun a whole story on how her brother works in theatre in Germany and Prince Harry is clearly very interested in the arts so she must have found. I like that. Wow Oh this is like even more so than the grandma who's like I can trace us back to the first family but this just shows how much we're willing to believe the story that we already have in our head like the prince would contact me because I'm very interesting. I don't know what you guys do with with your weekend but I'm a hoot. If my mom didn't catch my dad with the checkbook he would have he was about to he would have paid one of these. Nigerian scams off really because it makes sense against him. Yes God bless. That's so true. Of course they need me Diane Trust. 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My ex used to call it his testicles yeah that would work and he put it in his bro. Yeah okay got cute yeah yeah. That's a good that's a good way to talk about it. I mean I call. I call them boobs boobs whatever but they're gone now so now it's just my chest Sarah. Do you feel a difference Zaandam question immediately. No it was cool. It was immediate like as soon as I woke up from the surgery I felt so free and honestly rolling around in bed wasn't allowed to but I was like I wanna roll around in bed so bad I just stay on my back act for a whole. Weeks couldn't roll over in bed but yeah I felt like a kid again like it felt like before I went through puberty and I just felt really really good and you have sex with men and women. We'll mostly women but kind of no one right now. Okay you're on purpose. No one yeah yeah. I did that that for like almost a year. I said I was going to do for a year and then I did it for eleven months. I think that counts against the close that's close yeah. You're doing it on purpose kind of I I mean I just I'm too busy right now. To deal with any wasn't too busy too busy. My brain going like is this going to be just freaking out. What what is why I gotta take can become without sex twelve months. I cannot become without sex. You're like you're like you're like I need okay. Eleven months. That's changed the whole calendar for Hebrew calendar somewhere. Listen to it kind of goes with the web series. Just call me Ripley and you described as Ripley's directionless Bagel shop employee stuck in the middle of her marrone directly directionless. Whether what do you rank your own directionless coming out story. She's trying to figure out if she's gay and Matz tour disappointment known when just hands you a gay card meanwhile she stuck living with her ex fiance. Dan who seems to be more accepting of the possibility that she's gay than she is herself. I I love this line of thinking because when I first started dating my ex he didn't identify as male didn't really enjoy defying his female but we didn't know what that meant and it put me in queer relationship for the first time for real like I've had you know some examples of quickness in my life personally example yeah that's interesting and so this put me as a queer person and I started getting labeled from the outside and what I realized is it's. It's not being queer. It's that you're signing me to do it. So when when people go few break up. Would you be with a guy or girl or or all this stuff. Honestly I don't know. Should we call you QUERCIA. We call you lesbian. Should we call you straight. It was very important to very specific people that I was straight very important to very specific people that I was queer or lesbian and I decided that whatever you think I am I am because I don't know what that means. It doesn't feel queer when you're in it. It doesn't feel feel like the label is on top of you. It feels like an experience and experiment a thought of feeling and I liked the line that you said. How do you know the difference between between like a something Alex sexuality or you're just like kind of happy to see this person. I can tell the difference and I think that that people have told me that that is what makes you because I don't think things like that. I know the line of I'm not going to go for men. I just never am I'm like how is that line so straight for you yeah. That's I think that's in my brain too. I was like because when I was coming out. It was a similar thing where I was like. I was with a man and I was like I think I love love this guy but I was never like in love like I never had in love feelings but I was like it doesn't mean that that didn't grow and but I was like. There's something else there too and I don't know what that is but I don't. There's not like a box wasn't checked off for me. When I was growing up yeah and as soon as you are with a man you now have to reconsider everything that you have been telling someone or people and we'll we'll. Aren't you straight then. I don't know what do you want. I don't know like yeah whatever Ah yes be happy yeah. Are you amazed how everybody's curious. Media Care so much yeah. I'm like well what yeah I'm like. I don't care about like I especially. We don't care about like straight people. I'm like what are nosy about you. I'm dating. I don't care I don't care engaged. I don't care kissed a girl college. People bring up. Shit like that something quote alternative especially. If I'm doing standup like I mean just anywhere people we'll come up and say the most inappropriate stuff I kiss my dog and my sapio sexual don't know exactly exactly one time I thought about I don't WanNa know Ah Shannon tweets out. You can follow of course at Shannon L. Noel Noel L. No trans person needs assist personally devil's advocate. Just everybody should nope. I hope we don't need you. The devil hired that Emma but what did you think about what if you do what if right it's offensive to many people as a defensive you know no. I'm just saying this could be like one could understand you make my head spin she let's see Shannon road planning to try tests testosterone. That'd be started that yeah I started about five days ago. What do you feel do you feel different. Shit h-honestly sweaty and greasy like what have I don't know man. Just urinate wherever you are exactly. I don't know I started just punching holes in walls they didn't. I didn't know that it it's forever. This was very ignoring me. I thought it was like a a moving puberty thing so you get your testosterone. Surroun- and then you're thrown filled for live but I forget that like through menopause enough to take estrogen and like it's not so it's an ongoing shot every every five days. I forget it's actually doing the Gel because I I want to do like on. I WanNa do it very slowly and see if I want to stop at any point because I don't know I'm kind of in between some like. Let's see how this feels so it's every day like a half pack of. Gel wording. Put It on my upper arms on the outside of those on the yeah. I earned earn the armpit on the outside. That's what the drawing show. I don't do a lot of I mean. I did research on it and that seems to be the consensus of the place to put it how this isn't isn't like the doctor told me okay. The doctor was the worst experiences with doctors. They like are always. This one was like she's like well. We'll give you the shot today. It'll make it go real fast. I and I was like that's not what I want. What I said is I WANNA go slow and she's like well. It's fast if you do a show. I understand what I'm saying. Is I would like to go. Slow plea thing about slow. These are slow ideas. We can do what you don't want very yeah. We can what we can do is if you want fast today who told you put it on your I mean I don't know but sounds like you're not sure. I'm not sure I can't doctrine yeah I've been on. I've been on facebook. There's like it's faster face Dr Facebook as bad as like every middle aged woman in craft room you it just taking advice from online but I talked to a bunch of other non binary folks who are on stone and this seems to be some people said inner arm but if people come into contact with it too soon after I put it on they could get it to Saas Toronto's by accident that can use that like before work yeah so if you just WANNA come. It's like rubbing lucky keystone you could come up and rub my arm so sorry that that sounded exciting to me. I don't know how to accept that with myself. You got excited about accidentally Komo rebel bunching later our five minutes difference different. I would think that you would put it right on your vagina wo- would you. I mean you're right. Oh I didn't think of that. I mean I guess yeah. I I mean you don't WanNa go fast. I don't WanNa go if I wanted to go fast. What I would do is just put it right in everything under the tongue if it was like a acid acid just like testosterone acid trip. This is way later going to be like all right but I set it up right yeah yeah but you let me know so that's okay. You didn't sneak into my house or whatever it is absolutely how consent works you just like. Let you know half half an hour before your acid right okay so this is the tweet planning to try to stop stroke ninety percent for gender affirmation ten percents to be able to argue from experience. The men can choose to be better. You don't think it's just the testosterone you think it's a brain choice. That took guys are making when they're doing all these things. I see what you're saying. Yeah Yeah Yeah I am. I'm like I'm doing doing Gloria Steinem. One hundred percent not selfish like a year from now trump's doing something and say and you're like it's not it's not it's not just as I tried it. It's not losing my hair. It's not that Robert Deniro was on CNN and they're asking him about the president president of the as if we don't know Robert De Niro's point of view by now about the president and they go when when when you were on the you know one of these award shows he said fuck the president what do you what do you think that's okay to say. This guy is should not be president period and when you say that folks Fox come after you I remember the Tonys when he got up there and cursed fuck okay well you know this. Kra So it's not an FC by the way the guy in the background loves it because WHOA yeah well. We can't just I gloss over now but also now we have to take out your whoa and it's not even a show where you have to take that the cursing out so you made it worse with your stupid like we're adults. Oh my goodness I swear yeah well. They were setting them up example curse word Mr Dinner. Yeah well the one that you feel the need to answer me. You don't have Robert Deniro on your show if you don't want someone to curse right. It'd be upset if he didn't yeah. I'm not a fan of the presidency presidency well. This guy was a boar guy is should not be president period and when you say that folks Fox come after you. I remember the Tonys when he got up there and cursed. I fuck okay well. You know this is. Kera so it's not an FCC violation but it is still Sunday morning well. We're we're used to go that. atlay say something in a moment in our lives because treating him like a person is at work in the day that Hillary said I will all debate donald trump like he's human. Yeah was the beginning of the end. That's true also. Why would I say that. Why would you focus on that word. Instead of what I'm actually saying. Why would you derail this conversation with language that makes no difference because adults are watching right now. Also they're like they treat them like they're like oh. Aren't you worried. What about people coming after you. It's Robert Deniro. He doesn't care if he's in the BOB worried about people coming after a whole network coming after you like shouldn't that again shouldn't that be the focus shouldn't be going like you should be able to say what you want. These people should not be quote coming after you. What are you the mob yeah. What is happening? This is normal speak and we should be wire saying that they're gonNA come after you. fucking we're talking about the show is called reliable all sources the host is Brian. Seltzer and Robert. Deniro should look Brian sheltering go. You Know How you do news twenty four hours. That's the big deal. The big deal is the everything meeting you report about trump. That's the big deal and I said Fox them but I'm too much. Yes where this guy is like a gangster. He's come along and he's it said things done things. We say over and over again. This is terrible that we're in a terrible situation. We're in a terrible situation that a to a love how emphasizes idea get it. This is terrible. I'm answering very directly this. Now ask real question. Not if it's Monday morning do swear right yeah like anytime would be fine Saturday night. I can appreciate that yeah Sunday morning I mean I haven't even finished my locks. In this country. Where this guy is like a gangster. He's come along and he's said things done things we say over and over again. This is terrible that we're in a terrible situation. We're in a terrible situation and this guy just keeps going on and on on and on without being stopped what's been in a break squeezing a commercial more from in just a moment if between screen yeah right uh-huh well you didn't swear again so I guess we have to go to commercial. I don't know what the focus on now. You actually said words. What you said makes sense. Let's go to commercials from show so Okay Yeah Yeah I have. I have no follow up. My whole job is political reporting. I have nothing to say to this. I'm reading that the Alaska. GOP OPB became the latest State Republican Party to cancel its Republican primary to support trump so if you're going up against Donald Trump as Republican in Alaska among other states. It sounds like you won't see competition for him can do that. You'll you'll of course have the Democrat Competition Pishin. Wait wait wait but that means. Republicans don't get to vote for who represents them correct represented by trump. You can just do that is the the party can say. This is who were supporting period. We're still in America right no fuck. It's not as cool when I say I love it when he he's gotTa say fuck. You know what he's like. A gangster and I know gangster. I did a lot of fucking history. Research on gangster I played twenty of these are the words that I use. He's reading from my fucking script. If I do picture dropped in there in front of a mirror like in taxi driver fuck fuck fuck him fuck him fuck out doing push ups in between and that's pretty good. Thank you thank you. I'm reading a story about Casey Anthony. She's saying that she wants to have a baby. She she got ours. What's legal thirty three years old now. When she was twenty five she was accused of killing her daughter Kayleigh back in two thousand eight covering her mouth with duct tape leaving her in a wooded area she ended up not being convicted a physician was called. I mean when she would be convicted if it was an abortion right but it's born so we give a shit physician called to give evidence at the trial was unable to provide an exact cause of death and prosecutors reportedly automatically unable to link. Anthony to the murder although they did find the skeletons of the daughter that's it seems so weird when they solve a mystery a murder mystery jury that is like on covering this and there was one fingerprint in the attached it to Blah Blah Blah and this and this like so much was found so much evidence was was right there that she wasn't convicted very interesting. Yeah Anthony who lives in West Palm Beach began dating a man last year but the relationship ended yeah. Where's he right right. You know what I mean. I want him to go hi. It's me mark. That's all I need good. I'm glad you're OK. I guess if you're I mean either way. You should be able to have a baby but the thing is is yeah. We don't stop people from having babies. I mean she can have yeah. We stop people from not having babies but don't be announcing. Uh Yeah maybe like guys. I hear him still polarizing. I'm going to have one that she announced or do. You think there is like somebody who leaked it. Do you think that there is someone who broke hip and was like she came to my doctors and she says you WanNa Baby. I was amazed when Michael Vick who did spend time in jail for dogfighting. An animal cruelty was allowed and did choose to have a dog half this baby in secret like I think I understand now. Doll put them in a pool in electrocute the dog now I get it. I was in jail and they have they have classes in jail. I do think that's weird because you have to get a dog. You can't give birth us to one so if she were going to adopt or foster a kid. She wouldn't pass. You already killed one. I think you only get one in America. I don't know sometimes it feels again. It seemed like you get a lot of chances. Some some people yeah com. They Ed Open Open Dance Card Yep. We're saying the other day about Demi Moore's new book She's having a three ways with Ashton Kutcher then later Ashton fucks other people without her without her he gets caught and he says ause confused the difference. I mean that's a classic response to that. You confused me. Ashton Kutcher is saying I'm biting my tongue. I was going to tweet something I decided not to. That's not biting in your tongue. I hate those people Raymond. I can say some right here but I won't yeah. I won't say it Yeah Father Molly. That's not a thing that's like when you don't one of a punchline but you go like it'd be funny right here. I'm not even going to say it's like 'cause you can't because you don't come up with anything clever so Ashton. That's not clever. I'm biting my I tong. How dare you say something not say something. That's like your dad going. Hey Watch out a bus coming not gonNA tell you which direction exactly it was about to push the button then I saw my son and my daughter and my wife Kayla Kunas and deleted it. Wow Oh yeah that's what he's calling out the family or he's like he's like that real. Star was about to send out a tweet but then it looked around. I saw my blessings all. I'M GONNA. Throw live in her hell. I don't need to be part of it then Morrison. I I told him I was. GonNa write the stuff. I showed him a copy of the book before I put it out. I mean first swale who cares everybody at some point. Most relationships end and there's always something that went wrong with it Sweden Ashton. You're confused yeah. That's all she wrote said. I'm confused. I let people know this is the kind of confusion that people really go through you. Poor fucking deer or just say that I feel like I was twenty five. Just say you fucking cheated yeah. The fuck feel like yeah. I messed up. That was my bad now. MENA different relationship and I hope to do better and who gives a shit. Yeah maybe just deal. Maybe like don't press the button for me like maybe you don't have to explain it to her but bet you do bet you had a conversation yeah bet. She's wondering if what's her face is crazy or she's crazy. yeah you know no. He's like if I send it was I looked around. My family was like I'm GONNA have to justify this tweet to my family so I didn't hit enter. That might be what it was. He turn this baby knows how to read already roads the railway. He's starting to yeah yeah he is. He's a when did you stop liking him when he was punk in his friends. It's never like a poll theater. I never I was never huge Ashen Fan. I did like that some of the show. I like dummies. I I didn't like him on. I didn't like him or Mila Kunis on that now. I like me organise fantastic. She's great. She's great. I know anything about her. There's some kind of fantastic shit coming out of her. I heard like every interview with her like she's Awesome Yeah Ballerina movie. Wow that one yeah. We all get one. No that wasn't her fault. It was the man in Georgia was shot. Man in Georgia was shot dead by a fellow hunter after being mistaken for a deer now bobby lane was blasted said by Hector Romero by accident because in a wooded area outside of Brunswick. I want you to imagine Keith. I shot you and I said you look like a deer. Romero told cops he mistook the victim for game while lane was standing in thick foilage what I WANNA see. Do you still get to have a gun. Of course I WANNA see TV show would they then have to justify why they can still have a gun yeah because it was a mistake. GotTa be a TV show at them in case Casey Anthony as the guest and they each have to make your arguments. Ah One of you get what you need yeah. If you win you get to have a baby when you get to have a gun. They have a family feud style. Battle American never wins on this game show. I'll look closer. Oh Sir next time I'll yell while again. Yell out there. Maybe hey are you a deer. He didn't answer ah I was like well. That's what do are you a dare. How did his friend is probably wearing CAMMO right right yeah. They all wear for it so that they look like what the deer thinks is not is when you know somebody thinking. They're there yeah I did not kill yourself right. It was a guy dead the other guy yeah yeah. He said Oh I mean I think that's not an uncommon thing. I've got family in Ohio and I think that that's like like something that happens. Who what's that like you know. What do they do. They think you're weird for being in cities no because they're like benefiting. Ohio I didn't grow up in Connecticut but my family's from Southern Illinois and Ohio so we laker transplants to Connecticut and I thought Weird Weird move is a weird movie weird move. We grew up very differently from everybody else in the family and it was like we really GonNa Hippie town they were in the the Midwest and the whole family was sort of the black sheep yet new phrase for that but then yeah yeah we were. I mean yeah we were Kinda like and then we had one family. another may add is the youngest of seven so it's like a big. Catholic family over in Ohio and so one of his brothers lived in Maine as well so we were like the east coast part of the family is the East Coast in touch with the mid. West still yeah we're also. We're all still friends we we have because they're Catholic and they repress everything. Nothing ever gets talked about. I think McDonalds will test a new plant lettuce and tomato sandwich the P. L. T. tea plant lettuce tomato once implant beyond meat beyond meat patties and twenty eight restaurants in Canada Canada. I've heard of this and my I have vegetarian nephews. Their mother is a lifelong vegetarian. They recently had this burger for the first time loved. It loved it. People stay not from McDonald's. Why do I feel like there's a Burger Burger King one yeah so fast foods are taking it in. I've have had the white castle one. It's so good I love it. The P. L. T. sandwiches no artificial colors flavors or preservatives. It'll be priced at six dollars and forty nine cents plus tax but I heard that it doesn't have good nutritional value. I heard that they're spinning it because it's Vegetarian Vegan and be like the greener quote unquote option. It sounds like good but the actual stuff that it's made of is not necessarily good V O. It's still trash but we're gonNA find out that all this beyond me kind of stuff is all like vaping like it's talk but actually the go to McDonald's. You know customer so like we want meatless burgers. Go Yeah no problem. None of our food Israel be exact. Did I think of what I mean. We'll be ready by Thursday. Lettuce just presents a new labels real fast. We never have we're on top of the bandwagon. They gotta keep their mouth shut. I never add being Shannon. You WanNA follow online. That's the truth yeah. Follow me put out some good stuff. Shannon L. Nope twitter instagram right the websites Shannon L. Noel Dot Com Yep. It's all there. It's all there is all understand L. Checkout the Australian one two in the web series right when you're upset contact the Australian ACTA him. The web series very exciting. It's called of course just call me Ripley. What's what's the move to Chicago. Why will I I was doing improv classes in New York in two thousand six and I was like take a New York's too expensive Chicago's real cheap and at that time had more Improv so I went there so much logic yeah. Does that still stand when you come visit. New York are you. Are you like man. I made the right decision. there was a time when I really missed New York. I still do people in Chicago move very slowly. It's very difficult to walk in Chicago I don't know I'll move at some point. It's not going to be my home forever. No special people are writing in the move to New York your what is it. My mom is in writing in comeback. Be Closer. I keep thinking about this testosterone or your upper arms swell. No I would have to work out or can I just rub testosterone. Yeah actually made for since Matt and so yeah you could you could use it to you. Got Some back at the police. I'm staying so you could yeah experiment the for Monica Z. Z. I always a pleasure to see you. It's been twice but I love you. Wait ask Scott. I'm sorry now I just thought of something like people like Keith who go wait. I don't have to work out. I put on my arm. Someone put it on their penis. Oh honor percent. Should we google litter Google. Will you gotta be careful because it helps your peanuts but when it goes into the giant of Virginia closes up it actually makes while I grab it so down the line. It's supposed to make you have what they call bottom growth so you have a longer. It really wouldn't that work on a penis done. I don't know I wondered right Keith. What how many interesting 20-foot-long enroll it up. Is that look I know this is the stupid as I'm thinking of this but could the click it so big. You can use it like a peanut a little bit. There's actually a surgery. One of the bottom surgeries that's available for Trans. Man is It'd be a micro penis but you could kind of like a I don't know how they somehow make Levinson Micro Pena's Major Regina Clint Torres what you know what I mean. I'll like keep on the path yeah if it's full yeah yeah. I don't have a small penis. I love very big. Vagina just makes you keeping yeah. I don't have the language get to sit on a chair and it does appear on that something though you can get a big claw taurus news like a penis yeah. I could see that though what a world always take much to put in true. It's already kind of things you can do that. You don't see online signed the bill. Thank you everybody.

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A Cold December Morning

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A Cold December Morning

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One years old was nearing the end of his shift at a glass installation shop in Deer Park Washington. Half an hour so north of spokane when he's phone. Chirp text message yes from Logan Logan. His younger sister at school marriage said I'm cold. Come pick me up. But where was their mother? Wasn't g supposed to be there? Austin dutifully toot around to collect this feeling. Is The coal gray afternoon dark? I couldn't take my mom's house because nobody has heard phone and I didn't. I didn't get in so I took him to my dad's house where I had a key evening came. No word from the kids called yourself not afraid irritated. It had happened by then of course though is the children bedded down at their father's house. They never guessed. It wouldn't understand for days that everything about life was different Nothing made any sense at all. I'm belief it was unbelievable. A friend named summer starks. Put the words to it so impossible that she of all people. It was hard to wrap hard. Wrap your mind around that. It occurred but apparently it was possible. Shannon starbuck mother of five was dead dead in a way that made skin crawl. You've been so many things. Mother artist woman on the brink of something new Shannon was funny. She was five Atias. She likes to joke around and have a good time but classy always very very classy. The two older sons Austin Than Blake. Remember how she stood out even if it embarrassed him a little? Sometimes she would embroider our names and numbers on all the baseball team baseball team all our hats the only team with her name and numbers in the back row hats. You Know Jen and tried to Stitcher Deep Mormon faith into their lives to. How was she with the kids? I wouldn't hesitate saying she was a good mother. This is their Dad Klay starbucks. Who was a boy invocation from Alaska when he laid eyes on her and flora that more than twenty years earlier? Colton Hawk worlds colliding. I told her you know that I lived in Alaska. She probably thought that she was lucky. She wouldn't see me again. I don't I don't know how that she did. They married within months and settled in Alaska workplace worked on the pipeline started a family right away and their issues are. They're always clay wasn't as interested in church not the way she was. She wanted you to be there. I couldn't I couldn't meet her there. It is a big issue and I'm not sitting here saying I was right and had to be my way or she was wrong. That's that's not an issue at all we were. We were different. They divorced in two thousand hot and cold. They'd lasted ten years that time. Yes that time full of hope and goodwill they tried again in two thousand six they remarried moved to Washington. State said up a house in deer par and from there Klay commuted up to his job in Alaska which meant he had to be gone weeks at a time so when he came home the kids and I were about playing catch playing Frisbee playing basketball having fun yeah so it. It wasn't uncommon to I know Shannon said it several times You'd make reference to me of being a Disneyland Dad and in her eyes at at that probably Probably was true because she was she was making dinners and taking care of the kids and trying to maintain the the house though it was up and down good and bad Shannon and I never fully recovered. It was two thousand ten when they filed for divorce the second time they decided to live apart but close to each other he got a house near Shannon. The two eldest boys Austin play chose to live with him three youngest. Stay with their mom. It's all the data law especially during the last months of two thousand eleven clay was on disability. A back injury. He was home his income vastly reduced but at least able to share parenting like swapping days for taking the kids to and from school. I'd go over and pick up the kids and take them to school and sometimes she'd pick him up and take them back and we just you know it just worked out or at least it did until that dismal afternoon. December first. Two thousand eleven. The Day Shannon failed to show up after school not you. They weren't worried set. Klay they all knew Shannon had started dating again so maybe she went out lost. Track of time. A mixup. So my thoughts weren't that anything serious happened to her. It was with a guy I thought she was with a guy. I thought it just probably went. They're having a good dinner but the next day. What are the kids texted? Grandma Shannon's mother Melody Boissier and Florida had. She heard from their mother she had not at that had ballet was alarming text. Shannon and I never got anything back and I called and I phone box was full. I knew something was wrong. She felt the panic rise in her. Throat call chanted sister amy and brother Steven she said it was very unlikely that Shannon wooden return her calls because he spoke every day they talked to every single day. They knew everything that was going on in each other's lives so mom continually tried to contact Shannon and tried talking to the kids finding out what was going on. Quake called the COPS ASKED THEM TO CHECK. Shannon's house was December. Second in the evening. So it's you know. Finder Sheriff's deputies. Went over there had a good look around outside and left but Shannon's family in Florida insisted something was wrong had to be and Janet's France summer said she'd never not pick up her kids at school. Then eight nor their calls. I knew that she doted on her kids. She loved them. It was Saturday morning. Before Shannon's mother got through to the sheriff's office and a deputy met Shannon's landlord got him to open up the House to deputies. Run inside and right away radioed for backup. They had found Shannon. She was dead her body on her bed and displayed in such a way that detectives knew her killer had more than just murder on his mind. Crime see would raise more questions than an answer and so would a tip from someone close to Shannon. He said look at her phone in your computer cripple to tell you what you need to know. flashing lights squad. Cars violated the peaceful neighborhood in Deer Park Washington. Something big going down at Shannon starbucks house kind seen seen tape and a bunch of tactics outside our house when Chen at some blake drove up to the street where his mother lived stopped cold as obvious. Something bad had happened because it was like the whole yard was blocked off. The awful news was beginning to spread beyond the now crowded street. When Shannon's friends summer starks heard all she could think of was those kids they know. Do they know what's happened were you know. Where are they and I thought? Oh no they've lost their mother. They've just lost their mom and thousands of miles away in Florida. Shannon's brother Stephen heard it first from the local sheriff and phoned his younger sisters. So I called. Amy and told amy you need to meet meet moms and she could tell something was wrong and she started crying immediately so hive high tailed imams. We walked in together and he broke. The news looked at mom told her she was gone. And I just backed up and ice cream. No new can't can't be true but she goes she was gone. Detectives did not provide the ugly details. Didn't tell anybody about that. At first the Channon had been left mostly naked on her bed bows pornographic with a sex toy. Had before she took her last breath. Sheriff's detective. Mike Ricketts knew she suffered. She was strangled. I believe she was tortured and she was beat badly inconceivable. Why would anyone do such a thing? And why her when she was just starting over in life after she in play called it quits that second time in two thousand ten. She went back to school to become a dental assistant. She presented herself in a very modest a very conservative family. Woman sort of way users Shannon's classmates. They looked up to her. A sort of a cross between a den mother and an extra fund older sister to me of what you would expect state dental assistant telling her about her big beautiful teeth in her in her magnanimous laugh and smile. I can hear her laugh. Lubbock very approachable busy. She was Senator School friends. She always seem to have time for anyone who needed her. She was very strong to be able to do that. Because that is a very hard program sure and especially the children. Yeah with a family too. Tend to and she was top of the class which graduated honors or something yes. She did an excellent student with finally some prospect of her own. Iraq's Claes said. He was happy about that. We were looking forward to her achieving her independence her whole family was Including you absolutely but here was the strange thing. It seemed to our friends that Shannon was in some sort of crisis in the months before her death she was up in one minute distraught. The names it's just not public. You know she's a model her her business known everywhere but that many of those people have these but like we would come into school. Come into class in the morning and stuff and we would see her crying and her job was it her ex husband for kids maybe some new man there were one or two new ideas and there are a couple of times. I asked her if she was dating or She showed me a picture of this one guy now. Her friend that they would chat them online. Said Shannon Summer starks was the one who encouraged her to get out there. Get dating again. I try to set up but didn't workout but she I said why don't you go date? Just go out nothing serious though. Not yet maybe she was finally having some fun and I thought it would have been great if she could adjust focused on a little portion of herself. You know person a little bit. Yeah people. Don't you know deserved that. Of course she did and her love. Life wouldn't have been anybody else's business if it hadn't been for what happened. But now detectors went digging into hidden places. People she saw in private things she did. She might not want the world to know if there were secrets. And Oh there were there. Were about to be exposed. One of those secrets was right here. On the dead woman's cell phone there was a tax message to Shannon House. Governor pose a specific way the post it was one investigators at seen before. Cut The crime scene If there is such a thing as a fate worse than death then certainly someone's seemed to attend the Shannon starbuck met one lead. Detective Mike Ricketts Channon. Starbuck was their post honored bed and matter bring disrespect tour and though China's starbucks now blessedly beyond embarrassment her family and close friends as you can. Well imagine we're not. She had so much going for her for two all in like that and the way it ended just she did not deserve that yeah. She did not deserve whatsoever. I'm appalled that she was found that way. You know awful. And it's embarrassing for her like incur support accepting that who could be so cruel well. Of course it's the homicide detectives job to figure that out could mean many things. It could mean somebody very close to. That was very upset and angry with her or mean somebody else in the investigation. Began the very day. Shannon's body was found and as luck would have among those just beyond the yellow police tape. That night was a man. The police shortly would've looked up sooner or later. Didn't have to China's ex husband. Clay was clearly looking for them. What was going on? He wanted to know his ex wife was missing. Was She okay? He was asking to talk to the lead detective. He wanted some answers. First responders at the scene wouldn't tell them anything about what was found inside the house. Not even the Shannon was dead ex husband after all is no longer next of kin. So Klay went down to the sheriff's station where he met detective. Jim Dress back. I said we'll come in. We need to have a chat and his response was will. Your jacket says major crimes. What's going on? Nobody will tell me. Anything addictive broke the news. Jannine was gone. Waited for clay to collect himself and then I start by asking him very simple things. Give me a little bit about Shannon's history. She on medication. Does she have any enemies you know and what I what I ask everybody in that situation this. What do you think happened asked? Do you know anybody that wants to harm her dino who she was seeing. Do you know where you over there. When did you see last Do you have any idea of these things? Claire recalled telling the detective. He knew his wife had been dating again. In fact he was pretty sure. He said that Shannon had a profile on a website that caters to Mormon singles. I said well last I knew she was there was a LDS plant website. And I don't know I don't have any idea who she seen you'd need to. You need to look talk to somebody else and they would talk to plenty of others. That was just day. One the investigation and as a logical step in a case like this the X. himself would have to be checked out thoroughly the right then. The detective had no more stock. And I said we'll talk to you again later. Why don't you go take care of your kids? But even as he left the station that detectives recalled Klay starbucks seemed eager to help. He told JIM DRESS BACK. Look at her phone in her computer. It will tell you what you need to know of course number detector worth. His salt needed to be told that shattered starbucks cellphone was right there in the bedroom. Couldn't miss it said. Detective Lyle Johnston. The phone was sitting on a table. That is right next to her bed. Just a couple of feet away from her body like she'd just been using it or some correct right. I wanted to look at the cell phone right away because it would tell us who she may have been in contact with last. There was a text message from clay from Thursday morning telling Shannon. He had car trouble asking her to take the kids to school and later some exchanges about who would pick them up not terribly interesting stuff except that wasn't all they found. Shannon starbucks phone the. What else was there was very interesting. She'd had communications with at least two other men appeared that she was planning on meeting with one or two of them. Now that got the detectives attention and then it fairly jumped at them. A particular text request very specific very explicit one. There was a text message that was to Shannon Nascar nerd pose a specific way. The hair rose on rickets neck. That was almost exactly the way that killer poached. Shannon's body a coincidence. That detective had to think it was anything by. Investigators took a hard look at two men. Shannon seemed to have contact with the day of her murder. One guy posted a picture of himself by. We found that he had actually stolen it from another person's website. A doctor who lived in New York City. Who was this mystery man? And what was he hiding Strange the small things that can offer comfort however coal in the midst of horror once long before her death Channa told her mother how she wanted her funeral to be Morbid. Talk back then now. A blessing in the midst of so much grief so mom was able to give Shannon what she wanted for a funeral. If that was something you really want role classmates went to the funeral and brought along the candy. They used to share cramming for tests. I felt kind of silly but I brought some to her funeral but then I didn't feel so silly because somebody else that brought chocolate and set it up there too so I didn't feel like I was the only one nothing could sweeten the bitterness. Nothing that children were allowed to see her. I remember one saying he was looking at him and he said it doesn't look like mom and I don't think even recognized her that's how badly she'd been beaten. It made her family furious that someone did that to her. So in the days that followed they seized quite unaware that investigators thought that had a huge break in their hunt for her killer lead. Detective Mike Ricketts. They were normal text messages. Then there were. They moved into more Sexually suggestive tax messages on the last day she was seen alive. Shannon exchanged text messages with men. She'd apparently been seeing rocketing to the top of the list. Potential suspects was the gentleman who centre that sexually explicit text. Asking her to pose a certain way they can picture and send it to him was alarming because the taxed mimicked somewhat what we found at the crime scene as far as Shannon. Vm Post Shannon. Did Not take or send a picture. But the request. That wasn't just a red flag to investigators that was a cannon shot within a matter of hours to detective mount on the phone after all his number was right there in Shannon cell. I told them who I was and asked him if I could come speak with. He stated yes. He was a car salesman from spokane named Tom. Walker and recorded interview Sheriff's detectives. He told them he had nothing to hide. Transit at eight o six and I say Good Morning Sexy. She text me back fourteen minutes later and said good morning handsome. Walker admitted trying to sex with Shannon starbuck that morning but he denied that he had been anywhere near her house. He said he was at work at a funeral. That day were called Thursday exceptional except for the funeral. Yes did you have any involvement near death? No investigators took a DNA sample instead about taking a hard look at. Tom Walker's alibi. The problem was they still weren't exactly sure when Shannon was killed besides they still had lots of other people to interview. That's what happens in a murder investigation. Everybody gets pulled in especially those closest to the victim. Detectives even called Shannon's eldest son Austin in for questioning. Who Lost Her. You know they asked me a little more. Our relationship was Austin lived with his father and told the police that yes. He was closer to his dad's instance parents split up and if the questions seem cruel. The adults on had to be looked at eliminated. If possible feel weird to be put in a position of suspicion like that. Yeah he tried more leaning on me like did you do it did you do it and it wasn't like I know you did. It wasn't like that but Maybe you stand up and I worked out a glass company actually cut glass so some older cuts in my hands. And he's like. Oh where'd you get that one? From of course they talk to the family to Blake than eighteen and naturally the ex husband clay. What was he doing on December? First the day Shannon went missing the day. She likely died. He told me at that time that his car had broken down on high desert drive interpark. Clay said he spent the day fixing his car. Never saw Shannon at all. So who if anyone wish Allen with that day as detectives continued today they found? What might be an answer. Right there in Shannon's foam a message from a different man. One name. John Wilson Wilson. Also seem to be messaging. Shannon on her phone using another name just wondering Ho six and it appeared from the communications that they were trying to meet set up a date. Were they were going to meet on December first two thousand eleven the very day. Detectives believe Shannon was murdered but when they trace that phone number from which this John Wilson called. They found themselves looking at a public payphone. But when they google the name John Wilson that just wondering Oh six. They found profiles on dating sites on facebook and quickly realized. This man wasn't too he appeared to be. There was a pretty minimal site though a photograph purporting to be John John Wilson Guy Correct and we found that he had actually stolen it from another person's website. A doctor who lived in New York City. So now you know that John Wilson is not the person you see on the screen. Correct a phony picture a phantom who was clearly interested in keeping his real identity secret. Why was this latest mystery? Man How do you track down? A Guy Determined to hide one. Detective would try his luck with an instant message. I said I need to talk with you about Shannon starved. And I've got a wasn't twenty minutes. My phone rang. Dong with a forty something single woman. She's looking for a little romance and who isn't why not press a button type in your name. See what happens. Look like that's just what Shannon starbuck did I said we'll get online and she says I'm online. I'm online on a dating site. It's not uncommon for the state this teenage to online date. So I don't I don't know why she wouldn't have put herself in danger or harms way whatsoever. You would think that. In fact that was something Shannon's children did worry about a lot. I'm sure you know the line. Nbc and then to catch a predator. Right I've seen that in. Its WEIRDO's go on the Internet so we're all afraid that she was this one Weirdo. There was on the Internet now. Those sons were eager for investigators to find their mothers killer and detectives were in fact chasing down a new lead in connection with Shannon's Internet. Dating if there's a murder investigation there's no stone unturned hiding under one. Particular Rock was one very likely suspect. The man calling himself John Wilson who planned to meet with Shannon on December. First the last day she was seen alive detectors quickly figured out that he was some kind of an impostor at posted a fake picture in his online dating profile and had been communicating with Shannon from locations clearly designed to hide his real identity. They were all public places. Public phones universities. Places like that boy. This guy's been careful right. He's doing everything from public locations. All the sort of thing tell you well get caused us a lot of concern that this certainly could be our suspect. They trace one of those payphones he used to call Shannon. It was here outside university library. It happened to have her surveillance camera. Was this John Wilson. Only one way to find out detective. Johnston sent him an instant message of his own. Identified myself as being from the sheriff's Office and said I need to talk with you about Shannon starbuck and. I bet it wasn't twenty minutes. My phone rang. It was him all right and yes. He told the detective Shannon starbucks. Yes the two had been seeing each other by. He was very hesitant to identify himself. I'd asked him for his name. Who was that? I was speaking to a bit shaky. Investigator distrustful. It was obvious that he didn't seem to believe that. I was with the sheriff's Office. Either Mike Ricketts was listening in on the conversation at scribbled a note to his fellow. Subjecting tell them that we need to have his true identity shortly. I'm going to post this pitcher and show it all of the median. I find out who he is and at that point he told me his true name suddenly wanted to cooperate. Well he didn't really want to but he expressed the fact that he had been having an affair he was married. That was his explanation for the fake name the skulking around hiding from his wife. She said his name his real name was John Ken Line. He was a schoolteacher. He agreed to talk to the detectives in person but asked to have the conversation of the office of his lawyer. Robert Kasey I mean. He's completely stressed out. He has completely read about his personal life. His Professional Life Bis interviews done with your permission and your attorney's so tell me if you can. How December first hand out December I? The last day Shannon was seen alive. Detectives already knew the answer for messages on Shannon's phone the man they were talking to had plans to meet Shannon at her house but they wanted to see if he tells the truth ten thirty. I was at her house. I knocked on the door. What he told us was that he had made prior arrangements to meet with Shannon. We actually went to her house. He did go to her house. Only if you never answered the door he said so then. He went to a public phone to call left voice. Message be even stopped by her house. Again frustrated peered through. Her windows didn't see anything he said and then he told detectives he spent the rest of the day and into the evening exchanging messages. Push and then. I texted her and I got a text message and reply from her. That said did you come over. And she says slip into the effect of how `bout tonight or later tonight. He really wanted to see her right but never did or at least he said he never did right was however a problem with his story for much of December I John. Ken Line couldn't tell detectives if anyone had seen him in other words. No one to really back up. Important portion of his alibi lead detective. Mike Ricketts didn't know what to think. Here's an individual that's going to great lengths to hide his identity but at the same time. Here's an individual. That is being as detailed as he possibly can. Provide as much information as you can so I was on the fence but it was someone that we had to investigate. Boy Did they ever to see if the schoolteacher Shannon's mystery man was telling the truth or trying to cover up a crime. Detectives waded through all of his communications with her. We didn't let the idea go that he could still be our killer. That don't remember the number of days but it was a week or two after the homicide that we even channon call nine one one nine one one Spokane County Sheriff's detectives were about to discover a new piece of evidence it was recording Irian garbled and fleeting and it might just be enough to help solve the murder break and a shock. Hit Me really hard. It was like a rock in my stomach. There is nothing quite like a murder. Put the most intimate parts of life on public display. Investigators tracked down two suspicious. Men Shannon was dating WanNa. Mary teacher was at her house on the day. She likely died. The other sent Shannon a racy text message that almost mimicked the crime scene they offered alibis of course but since the detectives didn't know exactly when Shannon died they couldn't check them out funny one break and make all the difference. It hit me really hard. It was like a rock in my stomach. Detective Mike Ricketts wasn't expecting it. Not at all that piece of evidence that suddenly surfaced weeks into case his colleague Detective Lyle. Johnston had just gotten a record of the calls. Dialed from Shannon's phone and there it was staring back at the records that we get from the phone company reflect nine one one call nine one one call nine seventeen. December. I not long after Shannon. Drop the kids off at school. The nine one one operator failed to properly file the call with the sheriff's department and you may not know this but some cell phones don't store nine one one calls in their call list and effort to protect callers. In dangerous situations like sub. He'd been kidnapped. Say so all that meant detectives trying to solve a murder. Had NO IDEA. Shannon called nine one one until they got the records from her wireless carrier. Were you able to find out what was in the nine one one call how long it lasted when it came? Yes they were able to based on date and time find a recording of the exact call. It was just twenty eight seconds long. It started with a noise. Could you hear it? You could and unfortunately for the nine one one call operator. I believe he talked over it and he didn't hear it one. What reporting so brief so garbled but listening to it. Now they became convinced. This must have been Shannon as she was being attacked. Am One what he reporting. Hello what it sounded like because if somebody was struggling over the phone and you could definitely hear a female voice kind of ood. And that's that's about all amounted to but who was the attacker the car salesman the teacher or somebody else. Now the investigators had to go back over those alibis and compare them to the time of that nine one one call. They started with the salesman. Tom Walker rear. We're called day Thursday except for the channel his phone. Never Ping's off any of the towers in Deer Park region he is at work on December first. He attends a funeral. We confirmed that the salesman. The Guy who sent that racy request for a photo was in the clear. That left a schoolteacher. John Ken Line. He admitted he was actually outside the deer Park House that morning. Ten thirty but in the hour before that when it appeared Shannon was being attacked according to the nine one one call. He said he was not China starbucks house but at a starbucks in spokane getting coffee the specific Frappuccino. The store happened to have a record of selling. I heard that there is a great to do about whether or not he ordered some very specific an unusual drink correct. That is the case. He purchased coffee at about the same time that the nine one one call had come in just a little variation in time but well within the timeframe that he couldn't have been at starbucks and he couldn't have been endure park at the same level and so the man who wants looked so suspicious convinced detectives. He was telling the truth they looked at him. Every which way you could be looked at. They checked out every part of the story and every single that got everything that he told them checked out one hundred percent. Now you just add to deal with his wife and detectives. They went back through the list of possible suspects. Shannon's killer was still out there killer. Who Judging from the story Shannon's friends retelling might have been building up when attack during the last. Six months of Shannon's lives that summer starks. Her friend was convinced somebody was out to get her house had been broken to quite a few times and just minor things would-be missing or the barbecue would be messed up. Knocked over. Lights would be unscrewed. You could tell somebody had been in but things were missing sometimes just odd odd things that you would notice. Just weren't right when you would come home. Jannine filed police report. The incidents were investigated but never solved Shannon had been accusing Clay Shannon thought. Clay was behind everything that was happening that he was either trying to scare her or trying to assess a way into her home but the police didn't find any evidence of that and clay said the idea was ridiculous besides he said he was in Alaska. One of least one of those strange disturbances supposedly happened at first. I was like no way I didn't do that. And then it was. The date hits me and I'm like more for sure I didn't do that. I wasn't even. I wasn't even here. In fact he said he and Shannon got along better than most divorced couples channing. I made things work. We would text or say. Hey I'll get the kids I know next weekend is my weekend but can you take them that weekend. But now channon was dead. Detectives had to re thinker suspicions as related to them by summer and she wasn't the only person who viewed Shannon and clay's relationship through something other than rose tinted glasses shannon siblings for example who said Shannon accused clay cheating on her claim. That was the reason for both divorces on. The last breakup was so nasty. They said that in the months before Shannon died Klay Stop Paying. Child support fiercening paying her rent. We're power biding thea food for her children. It's going to the Food Bank for food. My mother was paying for her school and our computers fascinating by the issues of divorce can seem to change depending on. Who's doing the looking now? The detectives were and they were right back where they started a home surveillance. Camera provides a clue that brief investigation. Would you think when you saw that? Wow thought that he was lying. We just want to be treated fairly Alana shooting happening. I don't care what he says. He's not getting my hi. Everyone is mainly MSNBC correspondent and host of a new podcast into America featuring the journalist of NBC. News it's a show about politics about policy and about the power that both had shaping the lives of the American people. The roller coaster is not any easier to stomach now than it was two years ago. Each week we're going into America to tell voters stories Ken from the country. Because you in concert doesn't mean that we should write to both new episodes dropped weekly and our first arrives on Thursday February twenty seventh search for into America wherever you're listening right now and Subscribe Law as detectives winnowed through their list of potential suspects in the murder of Shannon starbuck at least began to make that kind of progress comes from dead ends. Iras able to eliminate Tom Walker. Her table eliminate John Ken line and so one name. They hadn't quite been able to cross off their list. See more and more important say starbuck was never eliminated as the suspect glaze. Starbuck the ex husband by now they had something else to consider a slew of unflattering tidbits from Shannon's family. It was just constantly trying to belittle her and make her feel like she was inanimate. I always thought he was a creep now. Those dental school classmates were also eager to pass on a few of the story Shannon told them about Clay Eddie. He was always bugging her. I guess if you will wondering what she would you know? What are you doing or can you do this or trying to keep her in the taps? Yeah Jonah told them. They said that Klay wouldn't leave her alone with some kind of control free. No Klay of course never met him but their opinion went from bad to worse when Shannon came into school visibly upset one day telling them that clay center gift a sex toy. It was in like a little gift bag if you will hanging on her doorknob no with a note from clay. That said that said here enjoy. I can't have you so you can have this or something like that. He was very jealous. He was very controlling and he was losing control. Still said summer. It seemed almost like a joke. The First Time Shannon wondered out loud if clay might try to hurt her. I told her to quit being so dramatic she was going to be in a drama queen. And and you know that's ridiculous. I so that only happens in the movies or Hyundai Line and she just said you're just so full of it but according to summer China was scared particularly after the windows. Were mysteriously shot out of the car parked in her driveway. Shannon changed the locks in. Our House didn't even give the kids a key telling friends. She was afraid. Klay with find a way to steal a copy. She was very vocal about her fear that he would kill her. Hardly surprising those stories would tend to put a sinister spin on everything. Police observed about clay starting with that very first police interaction today. Shannon's body was discovered. Detective Dress back thought. Something was off the moment. Clay arrived at the station and he told clay the news and goes. Oh my gosh what happened to my wife. I said well she's dead. And his knees buckled in and everything became very histrionic crying and wailing and and that was okay for a while but it became ridiculous. Every became ridiculous. Even more ridiculous more suspicious said the detective was when Clay told he was free to go. Didn't then I couldn't get rid of him. He would not leave me alone. Kick one talk. He kept wanting to talk and what he kept telling me was the same thing over and over again. Look on her phone. Look on her computer. That'll tell you everything you need to know what he is suspicious to you. But it's not really evidence is no not necessarily. It's suspicious is circumstantial but it's suspicious to me. Which meant of course that right down on day one clay needed to be checked out but good and they began with his alibi for that. December morning. Remember Claes Day started with car trouble and his text to Shannon asking her to take the kids to school for him he said he spent much of December. I walking between his home and the spot. The car broke down about a mile away. He told me that he had to go back and forth to his residence for Times at day to work on his car and get tools to to take a nap but detectives couldn't find anyone along that route. Who remembered seeing clay and another odd thing. His cell phone was off for several hours. No Ping's Detroit. But in the area Klee said he walked little shoe. Leather produced a stroke of luck attached to a house. There was a camera inside the house. A home surveillance. Tara pointed in the very direction they remembered. Klay telling them he walked and no sign of clay far as they could tell I mean there's no indication that he ever passed by there that day. What did you think when you saw that? I thought that he was lying. When statement that look like a lie one dead cell phone a complaint about overdue child support and a bunch of tales about alleged threatening behaviors. Which tries they might. They couldn't verify that detectives didn't have enough for an arrest. Let alone a murder charge. They needed something more something that tied clay directly to the crime scene and enter the DNA. Believe it was January twenty fourth two thousand twelve when I obtain the initial DNA report. They had submitted several samples from Shannon's body for DNA testing thought. The most important thing would be from her neck where she was strangled and her fingernails. She'd fought off her attacker. Some of the samples came back labeled unknown male which didn't match any of the known suspects but some other of the DNA material could be narrowed down to a very small pool of candidates. Starbuck male Klay starbuck or Austin starbuck. Her Blake starbucks was no getting around it. Dna In lie after all detectives. We're not convinced that a starbucks male killed Shannon. But which one was it possible. When Shannon's own sons kilter not a chance said detective records we obtained records that indicated. They were working at school. We eliminate them as suspects. Only one man left standing now but not for long on February six two thousand twelve two months after they found the body of Shannon starbuck they arrested clay and charged him with murder it was the Shannon Siblings and mother. I've been waiting for when clay was arrested. It was a big relief. We felt as though Klay should have been arrested right off. The Bat nine knew that he was the one that murdered her. It was of course a victory for the detectives to but it came at a terrible price. I didn't want it to be placed. I didn't want to take those children's father from them. Channon and clays five children still in shock over their mothers. Death now had another blow to absorb. China's brother was especially worried about the three youngest in the family. That means they have no guardian then. We all decided that it would be best that we try to get custody of the kids and get them out of that situation but the starbucks children were going anywhere Austin. Just twenty-one filed to be the Guardian for his younger siblings so they get all stay together and fight together for their dad. And it's hard to grieve. You know over our mother when we're fighting for our DAD's innocence. Yes they said they're dead was innocent and that meant sacrificing their mothers good name to save their dads so be it Shannon. Private life was about to become very public. We can verify at least ten men that she was communicating with electronic most of which she had met one on one string of strangers now potential suspects at first the arrest of clay starbuck for the murder of his ex-wife. Shan't seemed to be playing with all the predictability of a well-worn movie block. In hindsight it all seems so obvious that bees to Shannon's close friends and family. We knew that Klay killer just because he had been stalking her and causing her so much grief. We knew what he did to her. You might be surprised to hear the starbucks. Children weren't buying any of it. So you believe that. Your Dad is innocent at first yes. There's no way could possibly have done this now arguably the only witnesses with ringside seats to Klay enchanted starbucks long running drama. Were there five kids and those kids every single one including the three youngest sutton? Marshall Boven rallied to their father's defense is set and he didn't do it. He's a nice carry loving person. I mean why would you kill your ex wife? Five still last still love and leave all your Five children perilous so often what a family looks like depends on. Who's doing the looking the kids all their lives? They said it was their father who was the long suffering. Not Their mother. In fact they said their mother Shannon was not always what she seemed to be over the years. They said she would leave taking them with her to live with other men more than once for months at a time but they said their dad would always take her back on this. He would always say loved her. I never justice through this last divorce. Say that Like no matter what and he could forgive her and take her back. The older starbuck boy said it was patently. Obvious TO THEM. So the case against their dad was a frame up from start to finish. There is no physical evidence. There are a couple of times where? I actually laughed out loud. Reading what they had said in there and how ridiculous the the story is that they put together of what he did and how he did it none of it they said beginning with the DNA evidence detectives found so incriminating that males starbuck DNA in all likelihood they said came from one of them Austin or blake but it couldn't have come from the youngest marshall who learned in the process that he was not clay's biological son was conceived during a relationship Shannon had after their first divorce murder as we say exposes all kinds of secrets the evidence they have is traced DNA. It's like I got to you in touch you on the hand. Yeah it's that small there is starbucks. Dna Yeah but there are some who said well if not. Hembo was when you guys starbuck DNA in the starbuck house. Kind of funny. How that works We all live there you know. I love their wants before has happened. There's hair everywhere and be. They'll sweat the kids coming back and forth from our house to her house. According to the starbuck children their father was essentially a victim of a kind of marital profiling a suspect simply because husbands and ex husbands of murder victims are always suspect. If not for that bias they said the investigators would have found the real murderer evidences shoddy and there's so many other possible suspects said take this theory of Blake's not long after clay's arrest there were news. Reports about a man named Israel Keyes. He was arrested for murdering a young. Coffee Barista in Alaska and later admitted he'd killed many more people some in Washington state a serial killer whose family hailed from all places. A town just a few miles from Shannon's house. Why would you think it was Israel keyes because a he has killed over ten women? He admitted to foreign Washington. He was arrested a month. After my dad's so you wouldn't have been on the radar until then serial killer longish. Maybe but here's the biggest reason. They don't believe their father is a murderer. It was the children's bombshell. Their mother had been keeping a dangerous secret. They said a secret life. One Austin said. He figured that when he was just eight she lived a couple of different lifestyles. You Turn Church lifestyle her home lifestyle and their online dating lifestyle here the starbucks kits till it their mom known to most people as it. Prim and Proper Mormon homemaker the duration risky personal life. A secret from even her closest friends and family but impossible to hide from them. The kid wasn't normal online. Dating wasn't like she. She didn't meet some guy and be with them for you. Know three four five months to a year at a time. She was with them for you. Know just a short visit you know onto the next one. Was it true sitting in jail awaiting trial? Clay told his public defenders Derek. Reid and Jill Gannon Neko the same thing. He said to SHERIFF'S DETECTIVES. Look at her phone. Look at her computer. The things that we were able to find on confirm on the laptop. Were not normal. Dating relationships it was sexual relationships and most of those relationships can be confirmed that they were only sexual in nature and that includes so explicitly Saudi Os and photos in you. Name it. Yes it was all there in the laptop evidence of trips to meet men she'd connected with online but did not know in person until she made herself completely vulnerable to them. These strangers several men. I don't think that we can even give a number of the amount of at least email addresses and what you showed. Two three ten fifteen ten would be at minimum. I would say we tried to keep it as close to the incident as possible and in November of two thousand eleven. The month leading up to her murder. We can verify at least ten that she was communicating with electrically most of which she had met one on one and we can verify that every one of them a possible suspect. At least. That's what Claes public defenders thought. Well investigators had run down leads from Shannon's phone. The lawyer said that Crack Team of detectives didn't follow up on any of the potential leads from her laptop. It was there they had it right. It was there. They swabbed it. They in fact at some point. Somebody suspected something. And I'm not quite sure why they didn't follow up but isn't this all just a smokescreen because the evidence is pretty clear that Klay starbucks alibi doesn't hold up and this alibis of those other people do the allies of the ones. They looked into so armed with the evidence found on that computer alone defense attorneys were confident they would instill in a jury at the very least reasonable doubt and is the day of his trial approach. The starbucks children were Giddy with the anticipation that soon dad would be coming home to stay and now he didn't do it. We need to fight our innocence. Get him out so we can go back and hit it on the head again and find out who did it and solve it to trial the jury. Here's a prediction. Once made about Shannon. He said I wouldn't be surprised if we found her dad with her throat. Slit open every trial for murder. Has This simple question at its core. Whose version of the truth will the jury believe. And in the case of Shannon starbuck the two competing reality set for display could not have stood in stark contrast haven waiting over a year for this moment on a mission. I want him put away. Divided family couldn't have been farther apart in small Spokane County courtrooms when the trial began in. May Two thousand thirteen. The prosecution set out to prove Klay starbuck was a jealous controlling ultimately violent man who murdered his devout and longsuffering ex wife while the defense prepared to argue that Shannon herself recklessly quarter danger and quite possibly died at the hands of one of the many strangers. She met online for Sect Shannon starbucks friends and family who heard in advance with the defense had planned it sounded like an old fashioned smear campaign. That's all they had to go on. That's the only thing that they could turn Shannon into. Was this awful person. She wasn't a sexual deviant. She wasn't a running around sleeping with everybody in deer park in spokane state presented. Its case I argued in court by Deputy Prosecutor Larry Steinmetz and he began not with sex but with other less titillating root of all evil money. Do you saw the jury heard from summer stars. Channon didn't have with respect to miss starbucks financial situation. How would you define that dire? Do you know whether or not miss starbuck had been receiving any child support or spousal maintenance from Mr starbuck during that time period. She had told me she did not play. Owed more than nine thousand dollars in back. Child support eliminate the ex and his financial obligations would die with her thus. A money motive said the prosecution. Then they brought it up sex or rather Shannon's love life not the sex life defense in mind but the romantic kind of that sometimes produces jealousy the other age-old motive for murder miss starbuck now a single woman dating other men much to the Chagrin in dismay of the defendant play starbuck. China's newfound romantic freedom in rage. Claes said the prosecution. One of the couples friends testify that Klay seemed unnaturally obsessed with his ex wife's personal life. He basically Gave me a litany of things about Shannon About what she was doing and how she was seeing lots of other men and one of the teachers testified that she heard clay predict something out of her mouth showing he said. I wouldn't be surprised if we found her dead. I wouldn't be surprised if we found with her throat. Slit Open W from the detectives who testified outed seem to them. Clay was just a little too eager to direct their suspicions away from himself and toward some anonymous online lover. I don't very often have people pushing at me a piece so much that it pushes everything else. All other information Alice's would just constantly pushing that at me jealous resentful and on the morning of December. First Luring Shannon out of her house with a phony story about a broken down car. Remember play texted. Chen asked her to take the kids to school. Then shut off his cell to avoid detection or so said the prosecutor but killer laying a trap getting the children out of the House staking out the house entering the house waiting for Miss Starbuck to return. They played that snippet of nine one one call that the prosecution said confirm the time of the attack. One what he reporting then expert told the jury about the DNA they've found on Shannon's neck is this way S. t. r. matched that you described an exact match to clay starbuck in the mail. Bloodline his family yes the DNA had to be closed. He was the one with the Week. Alibi and detectives had already cleared his sons place. Throw the prosecutor called them as witnesses anyway during the school week. What time would you normally go to? School is just after nine on December. One of two thousand eleven. Did you work that day? It would've been Thursday. Solis and someone else. Investigators say was cleared by his alibi. John can line. The Mary teacher was forced to appear. Admitted BEEN UNFAITHFUL Shannon. We engage in a sexual relationship. Yes but Ken line was not here to be shamed but to testify about curious messages he received from Shannon's phone messages sent long. After the nine one one call again circuit. You read that. Did you stop by question? Mark Question Mark Question Mark. Do you want to come over tonight? There's a message is found on Shannon's phone investigators believed could only have been sent by Shannon's killer. And by this time you believed she was dead right based on the nine one one call. We believe she's deceased and yet someone is using her cell phone to communicate and approve. It must've been clay. Who sent those messages? They entered into evidence this seemingly innocuous text message from around three PM that afternoon at three. Oh six. Pm Shannon starbucks Phone Logan starbucks San Martian note. Dad will be there in ten minutes and Marsha note who besides his mother might know the nickname marsh. The youngest starbuck Marshall came to the stand. Nobody of the minor allowed in court. Would you clear you mark a law? And he also called me son and Marshall but he did Marsha Lot yes it had been an intimate act an angry ex husband killing the mother of his children then staging the scene as a humiliating sex crime. Premeditated murder said the state and as evidence of clay starbucks twisted state of mind. The prosecution offered this final piece to the puzzle. Detective said they've found Shannon's death certificate on the wall and claims housing pinned up like a trophy as a reminder. She's no longer in my life. She's no longer going to cause any misery or pain. So no smoking gun. But a pile of circumstantial evidence deep enough. The prosecution hoped to Berry and he chance of acquittal at the heart of this killeen and I would submit the motive greed anger obsession and jealousy and through it. All Clay and his defenders waited to tell an entirely different story about a risky life. An unsolved murder unsolved. The defense would argue because investigators blew it right from the start at the crime scene. They swabbed the face of the cell phone and they got DNA not his. The phone doesn't have Mr Starbucks who's DNA. Did it have Klay starbuck on trial for murdering. His ex-wife had something big in his corner. Something he believed would establish reasonable. Doubt Shannon's laptop computer. It held evidence. He said of his ex-wife's dangerous secret life. We're talking about casual encounters with people who aren't using real identities in fact Shannon's own children were convinced that one of those men must have been her killer and make no mistake. There were men that she talked the day before. That was the story that offense and the children propose to tell in court and then a ruling from the judge the evidence was inadmissible. The children's stories the activities revealed in the laptop computer the evidence pointing to other men. Shannon knew intimately it was all too speculative so the judge too prejudicial and it was out the jury wouldn't here it suddenly at the defense table the air went out. I think the court thinking we don't want to make this a forum to run somebody who was murdered down. Unfortunately this isn't something that's just being made up. We didn't create this. These allegations starbucks lawyers need the plan B. so they went after the murder investigation itself pointing out in court all the things. Investigators failed to do on the right hand. They found a one of the nails. What tested positive for blood? They don't just look at it. In fact you will hear from the crime lab that the intentionally swabbed around the blood was a recurring theme for the defense. They didn't test it. Evidence collected but untouched by lab techs and under cross examination. Detective Ricketts was pilloried for making the decision. Did you direct anyone to collect any piece of evidence from the master bathroom? That would be consistent with that Ramsey. No as far as you know have you or if you directed anyone to have those items tested and if there was any potential trace evidence or any evidence on that we don't know the crime intest rate but there were also issues with the evidence that was tested said the defense that cell phone for instance the one the prosecution went to great lengths to say clay used after killing. Shannon. This law. The face of the cell phone got DNA DNA and it's not as unidentified male. The phone doesn't have Mr starbucks more unidentified. Dna found on Shannon's neck where she strangled fair to say going back to the term match that there was a another contributor on the sample reference Miss starbucks neck mail contributor that has not been identified correct. Who's DNA was that the defense asked with the presence of Male starbucks DNA at the crime scene? They said was no mystery at all not only had klay lived in that house but the DNA could easily have been transferred by children going back and forth between parents. Young Marshall Explains and again only his audio can be recorded. Not His face. And do you ever share close with Austin now if like all my shirt sir dirty or something of our one of his shirts in I use of Blake's old sweatshirts. The matter of the Alibi neighbors in the area were placed. Daba claimed his car broke down testified that they did see a car matching that description parked by the side of the road. Well I came up eyeglass early in the morning. Smoke a cigarette upside so I parked up the street. Well Austin told the court that the jury should not be suspicious about clay's own being off that day. Why would he have it off? So he doesn't interrupted sleepy because he just had a dream US asleep. Yes the back surgery. The reason clay was in deer park and not up working on the pipeline. At the time of Shannon's murder Klay was simply two weeks at his kids didn't have the physical strength to kill their mother. So I'm on. She's five ten five eleven hundred eighty pounds. That's not in a small lady you know. She's not big. Bush small debilitating surgery. That's absolutely said Claes doctor. He would probably still be somewhat limited for months after surgery. Yes also addressed that so-called trophy. The prosecution brought up Shannon's death certificate supposedly hanging on Clay's wall was actually his said Austin as executor of Shannon's estate key needed copies of the death certificate. Any he wanted to keep one safe where it wouldn't be lost. And where did you put that the master bedroom dot state up and closet? We used for safe was being a key. Lock door handle but the star defense witness clay. Starbuck HIMSELF MR starbuck. You were married to Ms Shannon starbucks at one time. Speaking in call deliberate domes reuse told the court that his back surgery had forced him out of work he which is how he came to be more the nine thousand dollars behind in child support and alimony. I couldn't do anything about it until I went back to work. That was my goal. Money was no motive said the defense and S for jealousy. Not Him his talk. About Shannon's online dating had been misconstrued. Why did you tell about About that information concerned and do To See if we can help her some of the witnesses especially the officers testified that you had told them about the same sort of activity after the death of mess starbuck and they were interested anything that could help them with investigation as well. So that's that's why on this. Clay starbuck patiently followed. His lawyers lead no gas. It's your survey. Did you kill Shannon starbuck? Thank you question. And when it was over clay and his defense team felt so confident they encouraged him to talk with us about the Kennedys and some things that did not come out in court in an exclusive interview. Claes starbuck explains why. He believes he's about to go free. The cases been botched I would say botched is fair game. There's some smart people that have made elementary mistakes On the stand Klay starbuck was one cool customer tax return and STOIC practically Volkan when pressed by the prosecutor on Cross examination. Are You Jealous Person? Not at all he ever get angry. Law Miss Starbuck was granted. Fifty percent of your pension. Did that make you angry? Did it bother you know? Do you think that Shannon starbucks killer was trying to send a message? I don't know but make no mistake. Play starbuck has plenty to say about his ex wife. Shannon about the detectives whom he believed ignored promising leads in order to hang her murder on him. They were after me. They had their guy. They didn't want anybody else. They wanted to drive me to prosecution for starters. Clay starbuck told us in an interview given near the end of his trial. The case against him is based largely on a faulty understanding of the DNA evidence. It was not considered a match of DNA. It was not one hundred percent match. It was not a full inclusion or nor could they exclude it. Starbuck DNA found is actually a partial strand can occur nearly one and three thousand males in the US according to the state crime lab not nearly as accurate as standard DNA testing yet. That evidence said Klay was blown out of proportion by investigators on the mission. Mishandling of really I can. I can state a lot of things. The case has been botched. His botched a big word or is it okay. In this case I would concur. I would say botched is fair game. There's some smart people that have made some elementary mistakes but even if that was his DNA at the scene said Klay Peru's nothing. He told us that not only had he slept in that bed for years he'd been there since his break up with Shannon. I left June of two thousand and ten. Was that the last time that Shannon and I were intimate no not even close. Really absolutely feelings hopes of reconciliation. Perhaps not that at all said clay he had moved on. At the time of Shannon's death. I was seeing a gal in Valdez. Alaska it was a long distance relationship. You're otherwise engaged house otherwise engaged and he disputed all the Nasty Story. Shannon supposedly told her friends about him wondered why detectors would listen to what he considered to be gossip. She was terrified of you and she told her friends this and so when she winds up dead and humiliated that way. Who else are they GONNA look at? But the person she was terrified. Shannon's friends that you mentioned if they make those comments don't control those comments. I have no way of knowing what Shannon told them but I would hope that they would follow the evidence. I would hope that they wouldn't chase somebody down over a comment made off the cuff and those were secondhand stories about Klay. The jury never heard anyway as for his alibi that morning and the surveillance video that appeared to destroy it. Who's nothing's clay? Of course the cabinet and showman that's treat. He said he never told the COPS. That's where he walked and they never asked. That didn't ask you where you went. No because they say you told them I did hear that. What are you saying? Memories are bad or or something that they're lying what there's been. Many statements in that happened not been true from law enforcement standpoint and speaking of allied by said he doesn't believe the time of that nine one one call means anything at all and it is so short. Can't tell what it is but it's a call to nine one one. She winds up dead it kind of go together. So the time of death makes most sense right around that time just after because she would have been under attack at one. I don't see how with any of the evidence that's been provided and statements by witnesses that anybody can make those that assumption that nine one one call at a quarter after nine in her death were exactly related for more than two hours as he talked to US Klay starbuck remained unflappable quite determinedly. So I can't see why he'd be very hard guy argue actually. I'm an easy gay to argue because I don't argue. That's the problem. I just makes you crazy. It doesn't make me crazy. I don't know they just don't care person crazy. Well then I suggest you get counseling. Never angry never jealous the only emotion. Klay starbuck pleads guilty. To is disappointment he was disappointed. He set when his youngest daughter told him about some explicit images. She had seen on her mother's computer. It's pretty upsetting for you. Oh it was disappointing. I wouldn't say upsetting now. According to Klay starbuck murder never crossed his mind. She was a beautiful woman. Smart woman she didn't need to to travel those pass to find men to be with it senseless and did you try to stop that behavior by killing her. Absolutely not absolutely not. I wouldn't kill her. I wouldn't harm her. Wouldn't kick by scratch anything. I've never done anything to her and I didn't kill her. He faulted once only once. The question was about his children would have you wanted to say to them all these months. While you'RE GONNA end up making me get emotional so I'll just leave. It is just very proud of pretty tough thing for kids to handle it is. It is not only. Did they lose their mother? They lost their dad for a period of time. Maybe for ever it's it's not gonNA be forever it's GonNa be till next week way. Starbuck was he said a confident man quite sure that acquittal was just days away all he needed. Now you said was to hear the jury say those words not guilty verdict of the emotional fallout. I jumped up and I screamed. I screened two weeks here in Spokane Washington discussions about the Klay Starbuck. Murder case sounded a little like political debates. These days polarized and as the judge sent the jury off to deliberate. He'll now be escorted back to the jury deliberation room. Shannon's two families her mother and siblings. Who Believe Klay had poisoned the children against their mother on one side of a great divide? I hope that they learn the truth. And those very children on the other monning nothing more than to have their father. Come home after all this done. I never see a courtroom again but of course it was only those twelve strangers. Who could decide? The hours went by and people close to the question on both sides. Were in some kind of agony. I was sick to my stomach. I was nervous knowing what I know and in my heart. I know clay did this. All it takes us one person one person not to believe and we have to start over again. Easy for Kenneth But Austin at an especially difficult task a new father himself and now after fighting with his uncle and grandmother over custody he was guardian of the three younger children and until this moment he had been said his siblings. Like a rock. Funny are these things. Sneak up on the person if you could speak to your dad and just say one thing to. What would it be then? Then they were all in court. They're opposing wishes unfold display. The jury was back as jury. Recent verdict one full day here was their decision in the matter. State of Washington versus Mr Klay De starbuck verdict. Form a count. One reads we the jury find the defendant. Mr starbuck guilty of the crime of premeditated murder in the first degree guilty. It's face looked like stone cold but something else going on inside said his lawyers. How was he when that verdict happened? Shock he actually thought he was going to be acquitted. Absolutely but Shannon's mother and siblings finally felt vindicated all along. They believed it was him and now a jury agree as soon as that first guilty verdict was read you a ton of bricks. Lifted off of US and got the text guilty. I jumped up and I screamed. I screamed I was like yes. Yes starbuck was sentenced to life in prison. All five starbucks kids say they still believe their dad is innocent led by Austin head of the household way to the world on his shoulders. Now it's not over yet but he was convicted damage to appeals. And there's still other things we can do. That may be so selling still not over parents and siblings satisfied with the result children. Not at all and vowing to fight on and Shannon's friends summer. Aren't they know exactly how she was feeling? I thought it would bring more peace than it did. I was relieved that he was found guilty. But it didn't bring me the piece. I thought it would justice. Sometimes what feels like justice to some doesn't to others not at all but this we can say once there was a fine and lovely woman whose life was good then useful. He loved her. Children were her world and no matter what had happened. What was said what's been done with drug up that she loves them. She wants them to be successful and have good lights. She did not deserve the way her life ended on that cold December morning Deer Park Washington. The meet the press. Chuck Todd Cast. It's an insider's take on politics. The twenty twenty election and more candid conversations with some of my favorite reporters about things. We usually discuss off camera. Listen for free wherever you get your podcast.

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Girl Scout Mom Yells At Shannon

Mojo In The Morning

11:22 min | 5 months ago

Girl Scout Mom Yells At Shannon

"The real quick speaking sound like decks. When i'm just telling you there was a bad segue is shannon a bad mom to something you dick i was gonna call you can you. Can you call early day. Sure true you deck that thanks Happy friday universe you those terms you know i. I'm glad that we're getting. We're getting the ability to be able to now call women decks if we want to tell your story okay so this you said that you said bad mom not dick bad mom and that really hits me where it hurts because obviously i know i know but i pride myself. I'm being a an okay. Mom is what i say. World s mom like. I'm having everyday learning you know. I think i'm doing a good job but could be forever screwing my children up. I don't know anyway. Lucy is in daisy's this year and because of the pandemic it's weird. She hasn't gone to a daisies meeting in first grade. By the way they do all of their meetings over zoom and quite honestly. I feel like she's a little bit bored with these meetings. Like it's really hard to engage and do fun activity when you're in front of a computer and someone's telling you how to do this arts and crafts or whatever anyway She is allowed to sell cookies this year. And you guys feel excelling cookies. So we haven't even started selling cookies and january eighteenth. Ten days from now is the last day to sell cookies to the point where i haven't even picked up the cookie packet from the troop leader and she emailed shame to me yesterday by saying hi shannon. I still have your daughters cookie packet. Please let me know if she is planning to sell cookies. And we will arrange a way to get you the packet asap. Remember cookie sales and on january eighteenth. And i'm like. I just don't want to do it i no way no. Why don't you just. Why don't you just do it. Spike did with his girls all the time and just send out the note to the office people here in all the way. They're not in the office but no one's here to bring my girls in and make them walk around in uniform and make everybody feel guilty. But there's no staff in the off not that you are. I love junior girls came in. I really i don't wanna be annoying to my friends and family goal worker bike was was just gonna say i owe you sales. It's all you know you scratch my back. I scratch yours but not now. Why am i even said to her last night after i got email shamed by the troop leader. I was glued. You want to sell girl scout cookies and she like nodded and then went back to whatever she was doing. And i'm like see trying to make myself feel that are not that invest. This isn't about whether she wants to this teaching her responsibility as four activities wailing. No no no no. No no no wait on. We gotta teach shannon responsible put shannon shannon needs to go back in the girl scouts now. Cookies is the last thing. I need all right. So all right everybody on the show by two boxes. And let's get this thing over. With for god's sakes come on go around the room here. I'll take. I'll take a dose. He does and And really looking. For what i'm really looking for is for other parents to call in to tell me that thing you were supposed to do with your kids and you just totally dropped the ball shannon. You didn't drop the ball. You drop like nine balls because this teaches girls goal setting skill business as explaining her little blue vest. As at this point it's lost its at either at andrew's house my house. I don't even know where it is. Teamwork marketing do you know all the things you're teaching girl scouts with sales each year. Cher outs nothing. Like what shannon. I our kids. I'm sorry. jan shannon shannon shannon's shannon shannon's. Mom delay delay so our kids further middle school had to sell at abbott middle school. They had to sell a little caesars pizza. Kits and i was the guy that had deliver them to the families and i put them in the back of my car to go and deliver them and left them in the back of my car overnight thinking totally forgetting about delivering them and i ended up having to buy new pizza kits to do it because i was such a bad dad doing so i wanna share my bad moment. I think kids. We're supposed to make money. That makes me better. Just this brings back memories for me of we. I was never a girl scout. I was never in daisy's brownies or anything but our school when we were in elementary school did wrapping paper. Hasn't we sold and you guys. I was so into it. I went to every house in my neighborhood to the point where my mom had to say shan stop like nobody else wants to buy a wrapping paper from you but i loved it and so i feel like i'm stripping this opportunity we must show into it. I don't know why why why why did that. Not why did the apple in that fall far from the tree because shannon didn't set up the enthusiasm for lucy. She didn't get her excited for it. You know it's terrible excitement. Wait he's brought by the way he is getting back at you for all the boats jokes forces no no. He forced the cookies on us. That's why he's still upset about talk. Eight amy what's up it's mojo in the morning amy. How you doing good morning. Good morning honey. You're not a bad mom at all. I am the type of mom senate. Well my son's in travel baseball and football everything can you can think of and like he has to sound like those stupid like lottery tickets. You got that you like a entrance for money. And i am buying them and just keep them. Yeah things i feel like. I don't have time. I'll rather than the hundreds of and be done with it. Yeah i know it's another thing. And if she was honestly if she was super excited about it i would have been all into. I kind of felt over the holiday by some cookies and put them in the freezer. Yeah yeah. Lisa says the same thing to lisa's Dealing with three young girls and You know obviously you get hit with so many fundraisers and you know you realize they get like one percent of the proceeds or what have you so we we actually just taller everyone You know like girls they i. The leader a straight check for twenty five dollars and said keep it for the truth Instead of selling you know what three hundred dollars worth of cookies and fifty cents worth or what have you so That's what we do like band. One of my kids is in band. And i just got a fifty dollar check to the ban pressure from the national organization like the troops opposed to get a certain amount of sales to go back. And i don't. I don't care about that like i honestly told us to the leader said. We don't do fundraisers here's the money you know. And she didn't give me any pressure but it's a small town so you know i just don't agree with fundraisers because it's like if you want money just let me give you one hundred percent of that money and you can use it well. What's the problem. Tom knows the problem though. Is that not everybody. Not every family has the money to be able to do that. I think what they're what spiked initially said in the beginning. This thing is you're teaching your child the responsibilities but it's nowadays we don't care because nobody needs to have responsibility anymore. Yeah i didn't want to just by my kids way out of it. Because i want to teach him. It's teamwork like everybody else on the truth and the truth has to sell you have to sell to susan. Grab susan girl scout cookie. Yes sell them by the case by case say what do you mean yeah. One year i sold seven hundred fifty cases. The cookies it was on the news. Girls were little you instead of selling them by the box. You just figure out what the price is going to be that way. You're not dividing out like this person's got to does he does or whatever and then your friends can Trae cookies among themselves. You're talking to a mom who didn't even read the email for two weeks. You think she's going to be that you excited to buy cases what you mean to save myself some times. There's a discount by the way. And then i can just have lucy sell now that i'm kind of close to the deadline. I can just have her seldom. And you're not you're gonna find them but what you do is you just make the case price and you say okay. It's kind of like when you go down for punch as instead of like you know you. Just get a whole box of one flavor and make everybody. Divide them up and share themselves. Just sell it by the king. So okay gene's gonna get a case of a tree foil and uncle jones gonna get a case Ten minutes and if they want to split them their trades. They can do it themselves. Okay it makes it a lot easier and you also the case price the bucks per box. They're really expensive. But if you forget a more perceived value when you sell them by the case okay so we're getting flooded with text messages. People who wanna buy cookies so maybe i'll just do the outline. What that is. It's so easy this year because they only encouraging online might. My kids can't set up in front of the kroger because of the pandemic my sister is already sent me like nine links for her daughter to the cookies and she even also weed is tweet is legal in michigan. So i mean. I'm in front of in front of a week job. Defensively anywhere this dispensaries. Though you got you gotta get the connection that guy in the ann arbor one. That does the curbside you got to see if he'll also put on his menu. What's up Taylor what i was in high school we Sold like candy bars like the assorted candy. Bars i just like sold them all my friends honestly and then like my grandma would always buy them. And i told probably about twenty cases within a week and a half. Maybe two weeks while you're at your saying. Thank you for volunteering. The sell all of shannon's cookies trying out of my own so. I don't really have the time to do that anymore. Yup so you didn't call with advice. You just wanted to brag just wanting weird flex. I like this i like this texture. That says that spike should just go out with lucy since season expert at the whole cookie fundraising thing. And what are you sure to if we could because it can no. Do you remember when we did that. With a randy. Who worked and put her in a girl scout cookie out front of croker. Didn't we across the street. Lifetime fitness very sexy girl scout. Who sold a lot of cookies to creepy guy jan. And maybe you dress up in the girl scout outfit on the cookies. Nobody wants hun.

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Full Show (Skip, Shannon, & guests discuss the protests taking place across the country following the death of George Floyd)

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Full Show (Skip, Shannon, & guests discuss the protests taking place across the country following the death of George Floyd)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast I'm your host Jerry Taft, this podcast is the full show from today's episode of undisputed from start to finish. They've got a busy slate. So Skip Shannon, let's get to it. Good morning welcome to understood it I'm GonNa tapped with get Taylor. And Shannon Sharpe. The was. Heavy weekend. All across the country for so many and I'm just going to look a little different today as we do our best to address everything that has been happening all across the country in remembrance of George Floyd Skip. Shannon I know. We all sat back and took in so much of what happened. How are you both doing today? Judy I am looking forward to doing this show with my partner Shannon. Sharpe I know we're having a little bit of technical difficulties reaching him at this moment, but. This of all shows I've ever done I'm looking forward to being partners with my man Shannon very well, said schedule. Shannon is working on his audio right now, so skip I just want to start by asking you about. Everything that we saw over the weekend there were marches. There were protests in remembrance of George. Floyd most of the demonstrations were peaceful, although we did see some violence, some looting, so skip in your opinion after seeing everything that has been taking place all across the country. What is Your Reaction Journey? Let me start with all the great things I saw over the weekend. The unprecedented turn out! Of Protestors. of thousands all across this country in cities and towns, and reaching all the way to Europe to London where there was a major protest again all because of George Floyd. And in the end. It did my heart good to see the turnout. The peaceful protests and it was from people of all colors, not just black people I saw people of all colors, and I saw a whole lot of white people sort of band together arm-in-arm. Over George Floyd. It's the first time in all the killing of the unarmed black people by white cops that that I felt like there was a thousand percent lockstep on this one I didn't hear a single. Why? Law Enforcement Leader over the last six seven days. Try to say yes, but about George Floyd. There was not one yes, but it was always. This is criminal. This was flat out murder I. Think the white community for the first time saw no gray area in this one, and that was the good news that was that that brought us all together. I'm hearing Shannon Shannon. Are you there? Can you hear me? I'm good I'm good. You jump in. Yeah tell me what you saw. Skill what I saw with a lot of pain. A lot of frustration a lot of anger you know, skip for me was baffling to me. Is that when I hear why? People say they can't understand while it's happening. Skip if you go back over the last sixty years, and you look at every. If you want to call it a riot if you want to call it a rebellion if you want to call it an uprising if you look at the Cau-. Effect of what transpired if you go back to Harlem and nine, hundred and sixty four, it was fifteen year old James Powell being shot by lieutenant in Harlem. If you go to nineteen sixty five, you look at the watts riots. It was an arm motorists being shot you go nineteen, sixty eight, and with assassination of Doctor King in the we come almost twenty five. Five years forward and you look at Nineteen ninety-two in Rodney King, you go to twenty fourteen in Ferguson Missouri you go to Twenty fifteen in Baltimore, where Freddie Gray and now twenty twenty. All of these things give have something in common all acceptable Dr King, but he was a black man that was killed was killed are at the hands of the police you see. Black people saying that you know what we'll live with a lot of disadvantages, we'll live knowing that our health care system is not like heels. Counterpart we will live with knowing that education system is not like our counterpart. We live with knowing that unemployment rates, and we get higher embar. Etta hired at a law rate fired at a higher rate. They're not. Parts we will live with. Ask you where we draw the line. Is that you killing our our black men and women? That is where we live brady great excuse me. George Powell was the straw that broke the camel's back. That's what this was skip. This was a powder keg that have been growing and they've been trying to say Dr King. Citizen eloquently many many years ago, he had. Riots are the language of the unheard. What is it that America has failed to hear? What is it? You See. If, you look at us. Giving you go back through the four hundred year history, there is no history of black people murdering white people riding loosening. There's no history of that you the difference between what we've protest counterpart White. Skip out eight weeks of being quarantine where you couldn't go wisely. I WANNA have the ability to go get a haircut. I WANNA have the ability to go get a tattoo. I want to have the ability to go to a diner or restaurant. Sit Down, possibly infect others would call. The nineteen is hard for me to believe. Give all these people that were protesting at the time that was going to the state capital, heavily armed by that had been tested for the virus. You see what? What they were protesting was the ability to be served. Blacks were protests. The ability to be heard you see the difference. That's what they have to eight weeks. Bass started protesting to be third. Why can't take it anymore? You infringing on my rights? Well, we protest after four hundred years the murder after murder brutalization that the rulers eighth and people lose their mind and I'll get the skill I'll be the first to admit skip. For me, and maybe it's because as I've gotten older things that can be replaced whole less value to me. and Atlanta. What they did within six hundred yards of my home, my system that lives in my home. She called us with China what he want me to do. I want you to do if it gets any closer I. Want you to take what you're going to need to be able to survive and get the hell out of there I, said I don't care about the house skipped. Yes, I got Jersey from high school and college. Thing that will never be replayed I'd get replicas. Floor can't get a replica life for Freddie Gray Eric. Garner out and Sterling Walter Scott Jefferson. On Taylor let's not forget her. Skip the Young Lady in Louisville Kentucky. They knock on the wrong door banging bars through shooter eight time as she slept. Let's not forget her. You Still I. I don't get it. They all by look at all those looters skill. It's almost the perfect storm. You get all these killing black men and women, and then you get cove nineteen in so many millions of how to work a large segment of that a lot black. So now you have the perfect storm you have, plus you have anger that starts spillover over I got a wife I've got a kid got to provide or and I have no. No job, you damn right. I'M GONNA go to the grocery store. You Damn ready to go get a t shirt or a pair of jeans sneakers. Absolutely, that's the way it works. I WanNa people understand what the Boston Tea Party was. Let's not forget. The Tea Party was not people sitting down drinking tea. It was taxation without representation skill. So what was valuable? The tea was valuable. That's why they dumped it in the harbor. Having a war scare behind the formulation of America, so America was built on protests bill on riots now in black people feel they can't be heard. They can't control the anger skipping. That's what happens when you get angers angry. You don't say Oh this is valuable I don't want to throw this own. A perfect. No, you frustrated. You Lash out at that moment skip. This is so many years of bus, Gratien and anger. That is uncontrollable. The race started to spill because there's a hold on. We saw this on camera left Kooky rob a liquor store and killed, but the man behind the cash. You don't say well. We need more information we. Get, what information that more information did you? You. You had enough information to borrow. But. You didn't have enough information to charge them and here we go again if you remember when we first talked about this, what they gonNa, do they going to do autopsies on this man? And they're gonNA come back with the underlying condition, so in other words you know. He had hypertension the possible of intoxicants for being the system, so in other words what the coroner said this man was. Too unhealthy so by to survive his air supply, being restricted for nine minutes. Skill, they say. President Lincoln had what they called Byron and syndrome. So it was a combination between that disease that illness and a bullet to the back of the head that possibly killed. Lincoln you see how dumb best sound you can't say, because someone have underlying condition the only thing I would ask the corner. That berry moment without air supply be restricted for nine minutes would he dropped dead at that Barry moment regardless of his condition. Absolutely not give this a long time coming. Let me tell you. This was bad. If you think this was bad, let him get off. Scale you. We've kind of talked about this off air. If they let this man go if they don't have been charged because you hear the sentence. Say No justice, no peace. What does that mean without justice? You get no peace. That's what that's. I, turn it back over to you skip. There's a saying that we've been saying. I heard my great grandmother. Say this great thing to be from rural south Georgia to able to witness. Skip have you ever heard? Whites in America saying we shall overcome. That's me grow. Spiritual, that's a him. We shall overcome. If I'm a citizen in America. I'm born. I'm naturalized whatever the case may be skipped if I'm a citizen. Why should I have to fight for Rights Beth given to our white counterpart upon. Citizen should beat of civil rights. There should be nothing I should be able to get healthcare education. I should be able to get employment just like my counterpart. In even get, we didn't protest. Even though we're under educated, even though we're the health system doesn't work in our favour, even though the unemployment doesn't work it up, we don't protest that. We. Protect the brutalization and the killing the me and people see it still can't see still seem to see an understand. Why with this is the Hashtag right now now? I've seen a lot of black and white hand a lot. I see a lot of people jumping on Colin Kaepernick tried to give dollar for your head start, but you didn't want. Hear him so I'M GONNA. I'M GONNA check back in six months. I'm going to check back a year and five years and see if we still have that same energy. Energy, if we still one if we still together because it's going to be very interesting, because it's the cool thing, there is no wrong right now. Because a lot of people that look down it Colin Kaepernick four years ago. Now all of a sudden. They got a whole lot to say that skip so that's why I am not surprised, but they better hurry up and charge these other three, and they better make sure they get a commission, or they're going to burn it down again and it will be worse. So I I love and respect. Hearing. The years of anger and frustration in your voice right now. And I told you last Tuesday the day after this murder was committed. That, this officer Derek chauvinist must be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, and now that I've seen new video. The other two officers who held him down from behind but I couldn't see in the first video must be charged. The fourth officer who stood by and watched this is it went on for eight minutes and forty six seconds must be charged. Somehow he must be prosecuted. To the full extent of the law so I am so with you and I, do believe a lot of white eyes have been opened to this. This is different than all the others that came before all the ones that we've talked about for years on this show Eric. Garner Tamir Rise Tavon Martin Michael Brown. I can go on and on and on and on and off and on and on and I'm I'm tired of talking about it as you're tired of living it. Now, To the deepest issue here. A lot of us sat most of the day yesterday, and watched certainly here in Los Angeles, the town of Santa Monica was just ransacked. It was looted burned. It's it's a tourist destination. A lot of people around the country made no from the the ferris wheel out on Santa Monica Pierre. Shannon! Let's talk a thousand percent real about looting or burning. I I was shaken by it, but I. I want you to know. I'm speaking obviously as a white man here. My emotions are very mixed about this. At this point in time. Obviously, my deepest instinct is looting, and burning is not the right way to solve all this, but to all of your blinds it has come to this as the last gasp the the only way to get wide America's attention. Is this way where some people just looting to rob just looting rob, but was was a lot of the emotion. That was spent over the weekend. Was Years of pent up frustration and emotion and anger and outrage and senior. Yes, it was and. I can't condemn it I I. Get it I. It's hard for me to support it, but I can't condemn it I just want you to know that as as much as I was torn, I would see the interviews with the white shopkeepers on Melrose Avenue here on L. A. on Saturday night. These are mom and pop shop owners. These are immigrants. These are second. Second Generation immigrants these are minority owners of these stores, and they just got ransacked and burned, and and it hurt me to watch these interviews with these people because they were kind of innocent bystanders. It's kind of collateral damage, but Shannon I want people to know watching this show I'm with the premise of this. It has come to this. This is black people saying. Hey. We can't take it anymore as you pointed out not only as everyone been quarantined and a lot of black people, as well as white people lost their jobs, and there's no real hope and Indian site, but. This. This is saying I'm fed up I've had enough and the only way I can get. Your attention is dilute in Bern and again it's it's hard for me because I'm not advocating it. I just tell you I read it. I understand it and I love what Kareem abdul-jabbar wrote yesterday in the op Ed piece that he wrote for the Los Angeles. Shannon. Yes yes, protesters are yes. Protests often are used as an excuse for some to take advantage. I don't WanNa see stores, looted or even buildings Bart but African Americans have been living in a burning building for many years. Okay, I get that I. I'm with that. And I I love police said in the end cream, said so maybe the black communities main concern right now is whether protesters are social, distancing staying three to six feet apart, or whether a few desperate souls steal some t shirts, or even set a police station on fire, but whether their sons husbands, brothers and fathers will be murdered by cops or WanNa be cops just for going on a walk or a drive. Drive I. Get that I feel that and if nothing else, I think we had an outpouring of emotion at least got people's attention for the first time since the Rodney King riots here in l. a. that you brought in nineteen, ninety two, when by the way sixty three people died as yet I. Don't know anybody who's died in the riot maybe I've missed something, but but it hasn't quite come to that. Maybe we're heading there. But to all of your points this is hundreds of years of frustration built up and pouring out in ways that finally or opening the eyes of everyone. In our country that we have a very serious hair-trigger so to speak issue going on here so I appreciate you bringing that up I want you know how mixed my emotions are about rioting to get attention that must be gotten at this point was. Do you understand the original? In America one of the original reason was riots was to scare black people input the keep them in their place. Remember how they file out. In one, thousand, nine, hundred sixty. They were five bombing churches if you try to. Get back in the sixties in the people you try, try to vote. You would have to give your name where you live and who you work for. That information was passed along to the KKK. They came to see you. In the middle of the night burned across India byard over a house down. You'll probably going to lose your job. Will they came and told the master that you tried to register the boat so billion you see if Lou Hamer went saying she says I don't get it. She said when they will firebombing us in our churches and burning outbuildings down, people forgive. May Thirty, first, nineteen twenty one but tossups massacre in riots where Birdie Home Black City ground to ask you. What was that trying to do to stare and to keep them in their place? That's what this about so what do you think like learned it from? Oh because these bath what you care about what do you value more than rice? Buildings things, shoes, sneakers, artifacts. Big thing will burn it to the ground if we can have some of it, you can't have any of it either. In best the thinking mind skipping commanders, living inhale doesn't care about going. In. That's what some blacks feel right now. This is hail right owner and we wanted to get better. You keep promising for four hundred years. Give this what we've been asked. We've been asked to see the best of America while giving the worst of America. and. They say we've had enough. So either you hear us now, can you? Cater. The slogan. Can you hear us now? No justice, no peace. Now, we're tired. We keep telling you there officers, and I'm tired of this. If you want to say a few bad apples, because he the narrative skill know stick. This is embedded in a lot of the. Things that the previous administration checks and balances that they put on the fourth with torrent pulled away. If you want WanNa, say a few bad apples there. The few bad apples in this group. That's causing all this, but this is the problem that I have skipped base as a few bad apples when it comes to police officers, but when they label blank is the entire race. They don't say it's a few bad apples. They say it's all of us. So even the bad apples get looked in with the good apple and the good apples sometimes get snuffed out his well. Were that. I've been trying Dr Kato Cans Funny. Yeah. No that's okay. Go finish. Dr King, say. The King Sam Skill. He told you think about this. And you see all these people, a lot of people that despise Dr, King and the ancestor despised Dr, King quoting skill. He was peaceful. If the king was marching arm in arm, saying we shall overcome. The hair the dogs come get to that protest. How water can get to that protest? How Billy clubs that was used a goal side their head. It hit him in their mouth. Get to that protest, so violence has always been perpetuated perpetrated the per of imbalance in American. History has been the government America. And now. I'm tired of you. beat me. I will fight your basket. You don't animal you love animals, but if you abuse them alone enough, he'll lash out edgy and if he doesn't get you. You get tired of you. Give to the pilot. They tried to give somebody else and all that abusive. If take it over the years. Lash out of somebody else all they try to do with love it. And you see these rights go. In have anything to do with it. But when someone gives up, get tired of you, but. It will lash out and it will buy in. It will ruin anything in his sight. They keep saying. The hurricanes and tornadoes and wildfires are getting worse if you don't notice, give these birds rebellions, these uprising, these riots, these protests that getting worse than getting worse America. You need to listen see I. Think the biggest thing. Is that White Americans afraid just think if black America would have come to power light white Americans in power now and do to them what has been done to us for four Hundred Years so starting tomorrow? Skip the next seven seven generations of whites. Would have done to them. What Black America has had done or four hundred one year since sixteen nineteen when they landed here and sixteen twenty, when James Dial was founded. Let that thinking second. You talk about violence, but that's not who we are. That's not us. Yeah so speaking of Dr King. He was obviously all about peaceful protesting through the sixties until he was assassinated. Then we had Colin. Kaepernick back in two thousand sixteen start with peaceful protests by kneeling, yes, during the national anthem before Games, and now I've seen a big shift in Colin Kaepernick I thought maybe he could be Dr King and lead with a very powerful voice that he was given. And do so with nonviolent tactics and preaching from Colin and now we don't get that anymore. We have a serious shift. Because as he tweeted the other day, when civility meaning, peaceful protests leads to death, revolting is the only logical reaction. And he went on to say in fighting for liberation. There's always retaliation. And now they've started a fund for what he calls. The freedom fighters starting in Minneapolis the protesters who resorted to looting burning, so he's. He's supporting that he's encouraging that and it's. It's stunning to me. It's it's a little frightening to me that that were were heading toward complete anarchy here, but I do love the fact that everybody's attention has now been gotten so I'm with you on that Heck on with Colin on this but I hope we're not heading for complete anarchy here in the next few days. I hope people don't continue to die over this. That's my deepest emotion. Skip one thing because you've mentioned. You mentioned Dr King. Do, you remember the McCain upon his death had his sixty eight percent disapproval rating president trump right now is in the mid to upper forty, so he was twenty five percent boy dislike the president trump. Everybody loves him to jail. Colin Kaepernick. That's where he's. Appreciate the words. Both you guys were far from done talking about this and I just wanted to say that over the weekend. The biggest thing for me was just realizing how blind I've been to the pain and suffering, and you try to think that you understand, but you don't. And I have no sense of reality about what the black community has gone through continues. Continues to go through. I, see you I. Hear You. I can do better. I can educate myself. I can learn more, and there's just so much more than needs to be done. This is a wakeup call and I think we're starting to see it next up on undisputed Stephen, Jackson will join us. He was very close with George Floyd afford to talking to him. mind. Welcome back to undisputed and joining us now Fox sports NBA analyst Stephen Jackson and Stephen We. Thank you for joining us We know how hard this has been, and and we know how close you were with George Floyd you spoke at a rally Friday, in Minneapolis and May I. Just say that our hearts are with you. Everyone at Fox sports. You've been on our mind and I cannot even begin to understand the pain. You're feeling your friends. Your family but I do want to ask your reaction to what you've seen across the country as so many have come out to protest and honor George Floyd. I'm actually still in Minnesota now. I I came here with a couple close and I haven't shot by. I'm still here This is something I've never seen before. being able to be on the ground here in Minnesota and see the passion and these people. It just it just makes you think what happened common sense. You know what I mean stuff. These things are happening writing right in front of our eyes, and it says that people have to burn down police stations and and just showed a frustration. Because they're not getting treated fair I. Mean this is happening all over the world. You say on camera day after day after day, and we're not getting no justice and I just think that the fact that Minnesota. They. Reacted the way they did. Because it's so much pain here you see the pain all around the world with actually here where it actually happened, the pain is different, and I'm not surprised that the people from Minnesota, responded that way I'm actually happy did the same point. We can't get away. From what we're trying to do and get Jackson. Has Been Great and is Michelle. People from every city to city. Everybody's been standing up and supported my brother and I appreciate it, but we can't fall for the trick bag and go away and let them play on our pain and I think that's what they starting to do, but here in here in Minnesota the loves been great support is great, and I think they starting here stag. You know you and I. We spoke. We've been speaking and not told you say stacks. Pray about it. I say be measured. Be Thoughtful and let the words float. You did an excellent job of doing that. You think you see when I look at Minnesota stacks I look at it like Orlando Casteel is not even two years old, two and a half years old, the top, and then say now again you see they you bid George was the wick, but the powder keg with Walter. Scott and Alton sterling in Eric Garner in Freddie Great and Michael Brown trayvon Martin Bay. will all stuff into this dynamite K. in big George with they see. His catelli Dr King went through with won't Edmund Pettus Bridge. He knew what would happen, but we got back then everybody down to watch the evening news together. It wasn't like it is now. You got news all throughout the day. You only got the news at six o'clock, so what we saw was what happened to of Dr King on the nobody's required us. So this is the stuff that still pettus. We brought that bow going on in Minnesota, ran. Islands into our living room for me George I live in Port Arthur Texas. He lives in. We had on Monday afternoon. There were used at forty five minutes away. Violence come into our living room so I was in Houston every weekend, so we're a man took the knee in a very. We have different friends back and forth tonic poles give ironic at a friend named L. Recipes. He said very polled that Colin Kaepernick spot and I got home. One aimed. Neymar Lloyd. On the sideline many years ago, that looked like you. I'm like man. The bear reported. That may instruct on another like yeah right so when we neck, but nine minutes thing. The first time we've seen each other. Stacks, I can I can just. Go on the first time. Course Magin. What you? What is what it was like? I. Say man we you. To be there and see the our point, you daddy and. Big George. Like a! Man Off and I'll tell you. That's the best part about it. was genuine from day one time I went to I was with his brother yesterday and his brother Huston third wall with my staff and told me his brother told me that he's always tell them and I think the fact that we looked like made us become. Then we one day. We're going to be on top of the world closer. Over the years we didn't expect it to be this way man, but but. As you see some of the post I posted on my pay ways in zone. Love I mean. He's one of the only person whenever screamed my name in the Netherlands, they stay my brother and only people that that. Name in the Netherlands, so. That mean we're doing really supported me genuinely if you look some right. I just WANNA be able to get on his pays. On. And I want to concede. To you, he posted. Oppose the facts. They're much my voice in the right way, because see proud of me. How long we've been rather. There's somebody that really cared about. You know maybe some somebody and how much he seeing this we've talked about. We talked really love me January so i. think that's the best part we talked about being great i. Put everything aside and I came here and I'm still out there and that's the curve he was taking. On the ground, man I'm GonNa do whatever I can do so. That somebody's for my brother. And Show so much love which had his heart. So Stephen. Given protective provided for everybody, he's more details more background show so much love. Skip that. He had the about how you got to know George Floyd Sean so much, Hey! In, Port Arthur Texas which is obvious. That's what kills me to most. Lay a long way from Minneapolis. And I know what was your relationship like? Probably No, no way you can get to a whole lot of to. And what age did it start at in board? But his has stems. He came Arthur. Well I WANNA I wanNA. Go back tag with the police. Because the earth and I, don't champ some sense I guess the The owner of the store had copied Susannah even with all those name say he tried to pass off a pony as you name. Surreal. Pony Twenty Dollars Bill. Do you is going on right now? He was he was rebid George new. The money was kind of about at least in killed today, cuss! Na Na and from from what I'm hearing around. He not been on the ground I've been at the store last couple days he's. So I've been on the ballot last day. It's it's it's a lot of stuff on our data, mistakes and is more to. That, you can't stand out share with off their. Offense okay, here's a lot of stuff going on a lot of stuff going on, but I guarantee. We don't get to the end of it and even with the new videos coming. Is You saying? They put him in the car and pulled him out to call you know what I'm saying to be to beat him up, so there's a lot of stuff going on a lot of stuff going on, but we get to the bottom of so steven. You said you know you can't buy this trick bag that people are trying to sell you right now. What do you want to see? Happen from this point forward. You have specific six that you want to see happen in this country going forward. Will want. I didn't know my Boston's as powerful as it is. You know that's one thing I didn't know so. We got to continue to stay together. We could say that's what they. They fear me. You and Shannon already substandard side-by-side non. Standing there with the same common goal, and that's just that's what they care about. The our has been so great that they're starting to set up practice for people to destroy. In Atlanta. They had a positive news brick to sit in the milit- allowed to downtown. There's no constructive hip. Destruction! There that now now you saying videos these though. These people that are coming inside right to destroy after to make the to make the protest. Peaceful peaceful, so it's a lot of people around that. That's not for the 'cause that's coming in to try to destroy and when I say the tree back. Don't fall for. The peaceful protests during the right way and Stanford. What you believe in, but here in Minnesota I'm sorry here in Minnesota. They had to respond like that because they've been getting killed every year to begin acid, a blacktop shot a woman, and he was in jail and two days later and charge of murder. These types of still not arrested, so they said they said a responded that way gift and here in Minnesota but I. Think every every everywhere else. We appreciate support for be smart because we don't want to. We don't want them to play on. Our CAIN was hurt. Where we where we want to see the bill and get some stuff done. Get some policy. Change some law. Law Time, so we could be back and can stop treating us like animal. What the thing is! What they do is that they'll shift the narrative Catelli. Calling took a knee skip. You remember. They talked about okay with about the flag. It was about the military. It was about the bit it was about everything except what that man told you about now what they're trying to do is look. They're burning the building. They're losing their rob. What was the cause that led them to start rioting in a rebellion in to begin with? Let's talk about that issue. There they cause and effect that transpired, and they WANNA see now. We're not gonNA. Let your ship you and I both know. We, don't we don't see a lot of things we ain't rolling poll. Nosy with no care and our backpack rolling up on skateboards rolling up on riddle bicycle. Betty, how we our own? Not at all, there's always. Even every great movement everything that's good is there will be one or two that trying to hijack it and try to. To capitalize on paying suffering because. Sometimes even the word because you'll find. Somebody tried to siphon money in the banking for even they were. They call. So what we have here is that people tried to peacefully protest and you have you you take. This opportunity to hijack them and try to make somebody look bad, but we're not gonNA fall for the banana the tailpipe. We're smart enough to know. We don't keep an eye on the ball. We see ball, so don't bet you can move. It implies shells over and try to shift it around because we eye on the prize. We're GONNA get changed and these police department is going to look. We ain't going to start immediately. Because we don't expect something that's been in place for four hundred years to change overnight, but we expect me to get started, so we could see daylight. Right right, you know what? It's Kinda like of like I get a lot of people. Don't understand some put in basketball time for some people. Imagine Mass Man, you plant one on one. And I know and I know the referee. He's my friend and every time you any basket. I'm just hacking. You hacking you. You and he called in. That's how that's how people feel. Like bill we trying to trying to try, but it ain't fair. We keep trying to score. We keep down. A piece of sales for budget keeps piling and we can't. We can't get out feet. Road is now. But Let me. Tell you those and you get the ball out of fire and. You're not treated. You know what I mean, but we fight for and. The reason why I'm todd benefits position I didn't actually I. Actually it's being tradition and people know I love everybody. I've always thought for every race, so I'm caused winners positions. My brother and I'm standing for equality for everybody some comfortable here being as I didn't ask for it, but Lord knows I can praise. Yeah, so Stephen Sum this up. I told Shannon earlier. I have mixed emotions about looting and burning I get the emotion behind it and I do love the attention that it's gained because it's opening a bunch of is to the depth of bitterness and frustration and fear and anger that you feel as a race, but you said nonviolent. Are you still good with nonviolent? It will nonviolent work going forward. Spending in here in Minnesota I. don't care if they burned his house place now. Minnesota for in Atlanta I didn't really. I didn't really get that. We built. We built Atlanta. Basically there's a lot of. Young. Black Hollywood. A lot of the represented they laugh for the city and Atlanta so I did not understand that amount I I live in. And I I do not understand why. They were burning stuff down now honestly. Nowhere it should have been tearing stuff up because I call that hush. You Chuck the hard to billion neighborhoods up Chasa hard to build people up around you. Then you go back and tear it back down. To the place. While they allude out there until they place up, but make make sense. I don't I don't agree with this, but here in Minnesota. I think that's the only way it had to be done. Stephen. Minneapolis is my hometown and. It's embarrassing to see. What has been happening in what you're experiencing and I just want you to know that our hearts are with you there and I'm just. I wish I could be there to do more in this. YOU SHOULDN'T BE UPSET ABOUT MINNESOTA. Your places representing well, they don't represent where native reason why why are we starting to get we? Why are we going to get drafted? And as well as making no, not thank Minnesota your city their job Stephen Thank you for sharing your words on George. We love you. We hope to see you back in La soon. Welcome back to undisputed. We are now joined by Fox sports. NFL analyst Greg Jennings. WHO IS IN MINNEAPOLIS? Greg Cuban on my mind. I grew up very very close to where you're living right now, and I've been thinking about you and I know that your your wife has a business downtown Minneapolis. You chose to be there. To Watch out for it. Can you just tell us a little bit more about the situation and what you've been seeing and experiencing in Minneapolis? Versus most appreciated thoughts prayers. It is real and for me as A. Not only a black man, but as a father as a husband. As a business owner There's a lot of mixed emotions about everything that's transpired Shannon I listened to the last segment. And you said you mentioned cause and effect. There's a cause and effect to everything in what ties people to either the calls or either be. Fact is their relationship. in my relationship in this. Has Been Not only that I'm a black man, and not been on the end of. Racial profiling as a black man. But now my wife business is in harm's way because of the affect. Of the cause. That we visibly were able to see from law enforcement. With George in regards to George Floyd. In so I was raised. As an individual as a young man to learn how to put out fires, but at the same time how to prevent a fire, and in the midst of where fires were spreading and just kinda bursting everywhere on the scene. I felt like I was one that wanted to prevent the fire happening. Versus having to respond in by putting it out, and that was what I was doing with my wife store along with a couple of gentlemen. That man, the store with me and It's it's been an interesting dynamic because from an outside perspective and seeing stack in in communicating with stack. Stephen Jackson through text message in taking my daughters. My older two daughters along with my wife down to the justice rally in honor of Jewish Floyd in having them experience. It ain't just seeing bare emotions in their response. Shut like this was. It was something that unfortunately is needed. In the response that has come of it. Whatever way people have decided to respond respond. It was needed for them. not that I'm in agreement with the some of the arson vandalism in the looting, but I will say this. Myself this question this morning. Am I am I more upset and bothered by. The arson looting. in the acts of vandalism or by the murder in for me, it's it's I have to remain with my eyes on bets in. That's the murder because that's the 'cause. That's the reason why people are showing up their their emotion in their acting out in whatever way that they feel that they need to in this moment, and I have to respect that and I think that's the biggest thing Greg when I'm hearing. You and I and I get it. I totally get it like you said I mean that was best known for you. But for me when I look at it I'm like. Hold on, and we see a lot of this. Yeah that was bad how they did. Jordan he shouldn't die like that. But what does that building have to do? What of looting have to do? But when you get so upset and you've been upset as long as black. America have been upset, you lose. It's like you go dark and Utah Caution to the wind. You like I've been living in burning in hell. They been eluding. Look at the two biggest looting happen in the last fifteen years, but recession when they bailed out big business, they looted America and this last stimulus package one point five trillion two trillion dollars that none of it got too small minority black businesses. We got a twelve hundred dollar stimulus check, and there are some corporations that got three billion dollars. That's the looting of America. Be troll but gray, so let me ask you a question so when you go down there. Are you standing out front and you saying Bra? This'll black businessman. Don't bother this man. I'm sorry for the pain that you're going through. Because that's what happened a lot in Atlanta in Nineteen ninety-two with the Rodney King a Lotta. Black businesses put black on or stood on the business and they will unharmed. We, did you know immediately? I told my wife to print up some signs black on business. But at the same time, we felt like we needed to do more. We can do the make sure that. The, community in those who have were directly impacted knew that we were standing with them, too, so we wanted to put something to honor George, Floyd, so we put both sides side by side, but yeah, I stood outside the her building, but I also at night. I stood inside because One of the things that I wanted to to make sure people understood in those who were with me who I decided to come down there and be with me in stand with me. And and I will share this. They were armed. I was not what I was comfortable with that. I wanted them to understand that we're not coming down here to. Incite or ignite anything further. We're coming to be a deterrent. We're coming to defuse anything. That may potentially happen into ultimately if we enter if we encounter someone who is getting ready to potentially band allies. Or allude. To kind of change, their heart change their mind like look. That's not what we're all about in. You know I was fortunate. I didn't have to do those things I didn't have to stand up and guard the building where someone was actually about to come. We had some citizen pedestrians walking by that you know. We ran to the windows and we were out at the doors, but they continue to move on I will say this. Every building. Around my wife store. Not Potential was was potentially either banned allies what when it comes to graffiti or whatever the case may be. Or they experienced in it had looting take place within their businesses and I will I'm so blessed. That I decided make a stand and take a stand. For my wife and she did the same thing. And I'm also. In in in, she can say this better than I, can't she? She founded hugely significant that those who are committing the acts whomever they were all racist didn't matter. Decided to overlook her store. In it means a lot. It really does in spite of the situation so greg. How did you feel about those shops door? Getting banned allies D-. How did it? Were you okay with that in the end. No was not I. Am that If you if if I were to show you images right now? Every shop around my wife's shop is boarded up. Plywood windows covered, and we decided not to do that, and I understand why they did it. They did it because they wanted to protect what was on the inside, but they had a fear that they were targeted and we did not. We have that same fear every single morning since this has taken place, I get up I. Pray and I tell my wife Babe. I'll be right back because I run out the house to go downtown to go and look in sess, the store both inside and out, and that's the reality that we're in. It's not going to change anytime soon. The National Guards are literally a block away from my wife's store. In, even with that, they're still the sense of, but I gotta go and check. In. That's what we as black. The black community specifically at always dealt with as a black man. Yes, you, we see the uniforms and the costumes that these law enforcement officers wear, but we still gotTA protect ourselves. We still got to stand and be the guard and protectors for our our families, our children we have to be that that that that ever lasting voice that they hear of encouragement of of lifting to where they can understand that this, too will pass this, too, shall pass, and and if it doesn't, you have to continue and remain diligent and willing to stand and endure. About what you say Greg You said that the National Guard is a block away from your wife store, and you still feel the need. To go check on it. Bathroom like America field all those law enforcement and there are police officer death there to protecting sir. I still gotTA. Watch myself because I still feel unprotected. Greg? I'm glad that you stole was unharmed. But please leads don't value artifacts impositions more than life. That's all I. Understand that a lot of blood, sweat and tears, but you have insurance and those things could be replaced Georgia and coming back Trayvon and coming back Walter Scott out and sterling out FEMA, Jefferson Brianna Taylor Eric. Garner they're not coming back Greg. That's all I'm saying. I understand when you pour your hardworking tear in. I think as I've gotten older Greg. I come to realize this because when I was younger Greg. Cars and things of that admits up into me until I realized what Oh, what the hell I got insurance for. If something happens steeler. It could be replaced so I'm glad that everything worked out for. In your bed in the well being in the best interest of you and your wife and the store, but. So many times people were value the building and they'll forget about big Jordan. And I don't want that to happen. I don't ever want a building or artifacts to have more value than human life. And I will say this in response to what you just said. We will never value the building in what we have inside the building more than. What has happened in the reality that we live in? How ever? The same reason why. Those who are out on the frontlines in those in that neighborhood, where I'd take my daughter to go and play inner city tennis twice a week. They are standing. They know Georgia's and coming back. They know Trayvon Martin's and coming back, but they still feel like they gotta stand and they have to. They have to put themselves in a position to where potentially you know what my life may be at risk. You know why Shannon because as a black American. It already is. That's just how we feel yet. When I get pulled over by police officer, there's a there's a there's an emotion that goes on within me. Bet It by. An inside he pulses, and then I have to try to match that when he comes to door, because my pride will let me show that I'm a little afraid that I'm scared so I stand up in our buck a little bit not to ignite or to incite for him to to think that I'm going to harm him or challenge him, but I'm not going to let you put show knee on my neck in this moment. In. That's not what happened to me or happens to me literally, but essentially that's what they tried to do so greg. Sum this up for you're a smart man. We're all sick and tired of all the words. The platitude something must be done. What must be done? Give give me a specific six that you would like to see. Put into action sooner than later to be honest with you. Skip I. Don't have that answer and the one thing that I would share. Is that we all have a tool that we can use in right now. You're hearing my. We just heard Stephen Jackson's. We've been hearing so many. We have to continue to use the tool of our voices. There are power in words, and if we can unify our words as Americans, not just black community white community, if we can start to speak the same language what someone listens to and here's from me? They may not be willing to take in, but if they hear from you skip because you look like them is the commonality that they have. They may lend an ear to what you're saying that May. May, the very thing that I've been harping been trying to project, so if we can unify our voices on some level, I think that is where we start in. That is when we will start to really see changes being made in in our government within our government's. When it comes to policies that have been in place that should not be in place. We can build things up with our voices, and we can tear things down with our voice uniformly said. Stop being quiet. That makes total sense. Greg. Thank you so much for your words for your honesty and thinking about you and your family. I heard in Minneapolis right now and we appreciate you here. North Carolina Central Men's basketball coach about mountain, said that white coaches from the power five conferences in both basketball and football need to speak out more than African Americans die at the hands of law enforcement. Shannon your reaction to what he says. Well he's one hundred percent right because a lot of these guys, the the big bonuses that they get and the prestige and the not the. Fame they acquired which is on the black of a lot of black men. It is funny that I. Find that they'll quick to say. We're a family. We're together until you walk out that door and then I don't know you, you know. There have been a lot of culture that when Colin Kaepernick kneeling. I don't need to call the name. We know who you are. You were very outspoken and how disrespectful the knee would, but you've been radio silent. Will that Berry polled Colin Kaepernick took on the sideline with the very polls. They took a man rights. You've been very silent, so you reap the benefit of young black men, but you won't stand in support of young black men dying now guess what? They're going to go back into the House of black grandma. The moms and DADS, aunts and uncle and they're going to try to convince. The MOM, the dad, the parents whomever in the room that they're the best and I got the best interests and I care about your son. I want to educate him and I wanted to happen. To reach. All is go. But If I'm a pair. Or if I'm in that meeting is okay. What what do you think about a big door fluid? What are you GonNa Trayvon Martin Now? Stirling, 'cause I am yet to. He didn't speak on that because you know that's a black man that you want to come here. That's a black son, he. There'll be black man, you know. You wanted to come to your school. So what do you think about those? And, then you have to hear what he has to say about that, so he's absolutely right skip. The paying is we can tell why. Have to talk to other whites about racism scale. Back what it is, that's what has to happen skill. We're the only victim. We are the only victim that is asked to solve a problem that's committed against Ben will ask the victim now I need you to kill the perpetrator. What you can do so? He doesn't do that again, so we asked black. What can they do? Four hundred years. You've been working on the proposed hunter years. You have been slated for two hundred fifty years. You had us on apartheid in Jim Crow. Another one hundred seventy one hundred years, and you gave was voting right in one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty, fifty, five, sixty, four, sixty five. So you want us to figure that out after we've been held back before hundred years to slavery one hundred years, the President Jim Crow, apartheid and fifty fifty five years voting now you want us to come up with how the best to solve this problem. Now. y'All. Get together the work this out, but we're going to stay on you. We go, we keep. We're going to keep going. Until you make changes you say the frustration, but the storms only get work. Yup, you remember like. In Katrina storms are getting worse because the conditions in which these storms come about are getting worse. You noticed the protest. They're getting worse. The rebellion, the uprising. Whatever you WANNA, call them whatever you want to label. The environment is getting worse. So, they're feeding this frenzy so. Start with the police, the institution the systemic. Not Bad apples is systemic billy position for so long. That it has to come undone at half to come toppling down and we're going to bring it down. So Shannon. I. Don't know coach Moten until yesterday. I didn't know a whole lot about coach Moat. But yesterday after I read his comments on ESPN radio. I became a big fan of Lavelle Moat. Because these were piercing powerful comments, skewering in comments about the system that is college, basketball and football, and how it really works. Because he called out the white power, five coaches by saying these coaches have been able to create generational wealth meaning their grand kids. Kids are going to be able to live a prosperous lies because of athletes who were the complexion of George Floyd who were able to run or throw a football or shoot a basketball? But whenever people he went on to say the complexion of George, floyd are killed or assassinated or murdered in the street in broad daylight. See George Floyd. They the coaches are silent. Well, it took coach Moten from North Carolina Central speaking out. To finally push some power five coaches to issue statements Tom Izzo soon after issued a statement I'm not going to stay silent anymore. We saw some of the more powerful college football, Coaches Code Sabin Jimbo Fisher Mike Gundy yesterday they said well. I guess we better issued a statement. Well, it's better late than never, but it would have been so much better last. Tuesday you and I spoke strongly about what had happened on on Memorial Day and it Hook this man coach Moten Living In coaching obscurity at this point to speak out powerfully than any coach in the land has spoken out about George, Floyd, it took that man way down there at North Carolina central to to speak powerful words that. That reverberated across the country and moved a lot of major college power five type college coaches to finally at least issue statements. They didn't speak publicly. They just issued statements because statements can be much safer than actually doing a press conference about it so onto applauding him because he made waves, he made some things happen that I haven't seen happen in a Long Time In college coaching, and we appreciate you coach Moten. But still the thing. I'M NOT GONNA do is I'm GonNa let him off the hook. Because right now issuing a statement, you've easy is almo fact religious not to see doing the right thing. WIN IS UNPOPULAR LA callen. CAPRONI see the easiest thing to do to castigate him. Because the man is going to be on your side because you hijacked this narrative, you made it about the flag about the best. You made it about the military and yet talk about the issue. In which he told you he was doing this in auto, so that was the guy to be to the unpopular thing. Then this is very popular. visit this is this is almost like giving somebody flowers at the grave because that's the right. Thing to do when someone was being talked about. Decided to solve a twenty nineteen Dr. King had a ninety percent approval rating now remember but his death. He was in high safety disapproval. You see you see the difference. Skip with all these big power five told had an opportunity to stay with calling Kabir Nail. Commend Him for speaking. Give police brutality. They was Radio Salad. Now is the right thing to do is the easy thing to do, but like I say I'm gonNA check back with him in two three years. I'm. We'll check back with you. Have that same energy because I feel? I'll be looking at twitter, and I've been looking at I G and I see a lot of black and white hair intertwined O we are one and we united. We don't win unless we all went hashtags a fine, but black people tired hashtags. We will results. Give us results. It is not going to change until you. We get results so scale although I commend them I. Don't give them too much praise I pat them too hard on the back. Because what you should have done should should've done this years ago, but you but you were solid because you want to give. You want to protect that money you want to protect. You want to speak out due to Barry People. Running the touchdown this. Gordon catch him down. Make a basket. The guy that died in the streets. Would USA nothing but your family. And I got upset because remember the to say hey. Tom Brady and drew brees. We need your voices because you talk about where the team. That's my brother. Okay where your brother brother separate. I WanNa hear you. Come out. You say we brought us. You'll Patas on the back. Would we do good? That's what I'm talking about with family. Okay. I need that same manager right now. I need that injury. So Shannon if I may speak, is a white male. I've been speaking out for years on national TV on racial issues. and. I do pray about it I. Ask for the right words because I'm the first to admit. I'm alive man. And I can't feel what you feel I. Have Not walked for one second in your sneakers I don't know I know what I know in so I. Pray and I plunge and I tried to wake up as many white people as I can possibly wake up soon that camera and looking down right now and I don't know if I've had one hundred of one percent impact in this country but I've been trying for years to do the Best I can with rain. I have and the experience. I have to to try to say something often. As you know I. I welcome these I love. Try these topics with you. I go along for your ride I I listen to you. I learned from you. I learned from Stephen Jackson's morning. I learned from Greg Jennings. I try to keep my mind as wide open as I can possibly keep it so that maybe we can actually have a little bit of real progress here, not just lip service. Progress I'm talking about real live. Open minded. We get it kind of progress. I think we're starting to have a bit of that, but I'm with you. Let's check back in a couple. Heck, let's check back in a couple of months and see where we are, but I'm feeling some some good things are happening here so i. don't want to be completely negative. I I hear your rage. I, hear! Your fear I. Hear it all from you and hurts me, and it gives me chills even talk about it, because it's so raw and so real, but I'm hoping that all of this serves some little purpose, and even if it's just one tenth of one hundred percent May. Maybe that's good that. At least we did our little tiny. Here today to try to open a few more is. Still you don't realize this, but you'll be biggest contribution right now with allow me the opportunity to have this platform to have these conversations when we when we came on the air in twenty I remember in two thousand sixteen. When you and I had the conversation, he says I've done. My homework talked to a of people about you I. Want you to be you and when? When the Colin Kaepernick situation bill into our lap. You called me you like you. WanNa talk about it was like absolutely and I thought it was going to be a one day. Thing like we don't talk about it again tomorrow and we're GONNA talk about it in when you call me Monday night you had him. Do you call me and when you call me I? I when you say, can you talk I know it's something that's on your mind or your arm and you WanNa talk about it. You caught you. Can We yes skip? That's your contribution. Yes, you know you get. Everybody knows the community what skip. Bayless has done or tried to do for the black community, but JOE biggest contribution of. Allowing Sharron sharp to have this platform? To be able to speak. You. Appreciate that this show does not shy away from having these conversations and we're going to continue to have because it feels like what needs to happen. We need to talk about what's at hand. We need to learn need to grow and that is. What's been most eye opening. Welcome back to undisputed so guys over the weekend video came out of Jr Smith beating up a man who was vandalizing his car now this took place over the weekend as I mentioned protests occurring in La. This apparently around the Fairfax Area Shannon. Do you agree with the way Jr responded? Like I said before as I've gotten older. Material things molested me. Had I been in my twenties because my grandmother would say something, we worked so hard for things. Let's try to take care of it, and here I am I worked my life. This is my life work and you care list and I'm already thinking okay. You already privilege you already in the majority, you already look down on me and you think you can come in my neighborhood and walk in vandalize my car skill. I probably would've had the same reaction as JR had. But as I've gotten older I realized there are things that are more important than possession artifacts, and you're not like raw. Is that really necessary? Why would you do that but I think Jr was thinking. Here's some. Privilege. entitled. Y Kid coming in my neighborhood thinking, but he can get away with this in the in the be entitled the leaders that we like on wait a minute rough. You already got an advantage. Why you want WanNa? Come here and destroy my things. What what is your question? What are you angry about? So he they'll. Probably jail were holding. What are you angry about? Jr like Tabora. I'm not going to have. To be honest. I wouldn't have handed the like that because. Let me tell you why. Count what you see. These protests guys get into a frenzy. And then just everything in his way is just destroyed and I probably would have lost it. He ended up hurting him so no I wouldn't have taken it there. But Jr in that moment you look you somebody taking something breaking windows. Stop it on your car. That's a natural reaction, but if I've got noticed. I've got a little better control controlling my emotions, knowing that it could lead to bad for him and me. Although when I I watched this video, I thought of you Shannon Sharpe and I thought my man Shannon. He might have lost it to. He might have been after that kid. I would like to believe you would have stopped halfway and said wait a second I can't risk this. It's not worth it to me, but I think you would have had the same emotional, maybe overreaction, but reasonable reaction to me. Chase him thinking you. Would've. Skill I would attack with him on the pavement and that'd be good enough because I don't think he'd have got. I thought I was Ray. Lewis A my finger. Okay so I. Don't know the exact details. I I don't think Jr our lives in this neighborhood I think he had just parked his vehicle down the street from where just a few minutes earlier actress they had. They had looted and. burned. Sneaker store I think it was a foot. Lock right there. Near facts, so it just ran looted into your point all sudden. There's mob mentality operating. It is just chaos in people's brains. Everybody says it's it's lawless. I can do whatever I want and I. Don't know what possessed some white kid I could. It took me a while to figure out. He was a white kid because he had his hoodie up and he had his mass gone. Gone so I couldn't even see her second. He was a white kid I. Don't know the JR new. He was a white kid and allow me to make this point for the record. Jr then posted later on social media. This was not racially motivated and I know jr well enough to tell you I. Don't think it was either I. Don't think that's what he's about, but but. Just seeing I'm not sure what he used. Bash the window in a brick or whatever he bashed the window of the vehicle I. Think it's a truck that drives. They will just parked on this rain. What are you? What are you saying? What are you doing, man then Jr lost it and chased him down and my. When my rational mind kicks back in in this day, and age. Is You know and I know? It's just too dangerous because I don't know that could be packing. He could be carrying and rice. He could be carrying any kind of weapon that you you again Jr did not have a weapon that I could see. He would just going to use his fist in his feet, and yeah. He gave him a weapon. He didn't kill in, but he beat him up. And then the kid was able to get up and run off obviously so it in the end it of worked out. It was as it says in the Old Testament an eye for an eye, so you you you? EXAC, did you revenge on the Kid I? I would not recommend it and I was happy to hear you say start this conversation off. The older Shannon the more mature Shannon would say. Now. We're going to try this. Yeah, yeah, just let it go. It happened. Does. And that's the Thanksgiving when I was younger road, rage and people you know when I had a a carrying permit and people flip you off, and you're like okay I'm going to get that mobile or somebody, and like you know what is not worth it. You're going to end up. Somebody's ended acute and killing you or you're GONNA end up shooting killing. Someone else so I just let it go you cut me up. Okay, clearly, you need to be somewhere faster than I need to be somewhere, so go right ahead Kim and I'm. Just always on edge. Not, a whole lot of people know where I live so I gotta sign on my door if the package doesn't need to be signed for the door bill well about eight thirty one night, the doorbell rain. I'm like eight thirty first thing I'd do. Skill I grabbed the state like somebody trying to be funny, trying to be cute and so I, Go pee. Pee through the door, and as ever see he's leaving is a Bra. Sign say the package doesn't need to be signed for. Don't ring the doorbell. Because I think trying to be funny. He's like man. I'm sorry. I didn't read like, please. Redesign. It's give I. Just I just want to be left alone. I WANNA bother, nobody I try to be cordial as nice as I possibly can especially given the situation. Because you know, you can't really talk to anybody anymore, but like hey. You. Know and I acknowledge him. I just want to be left. I want to bother nobody nobody bother me, but I'm very. I'm in my element here. This is my domain. Don't come to me but twenty Oh. Oh. Yes, the that had been on the news. I worth yard. COULD THEY BE? Joffrey got to him he got. Out of building. They, couldn't they? Couldn't they? Couldn't me office? I'm just happy. In this case, no charges have been filed and nobody got really hurt. I'm sure the kids Soren rate up today, but at least he's still on. Safely. Jr, most of the video he, he was honest about it right away. He acknowledged what happened I. think that was really telling lesson learned here. I'M NOT GONNA chop unexpected at Shannon's house. No ringing the doorbell I'm seeing away from bugging you Shannon. Reminder guys. On Thursday Colin. Kaepernick tweeted this went. Civility leads to death. Revolting is the only logical reaction. The cries for peace will rain down and when they do, they will land on deaf ears because you're. Violence has brought this resistance. We have the right to fight back rest in power. George Floyd now. Your rights camp also tweeted that Kapernick has helped establish a legal defense team for those protesting on the ground, so Shannon I'd like to ask you your reaction to capture neck and his social media activity with this tweet. We'll skip. Ahead of the curve. Cap tried to give tried to warn a lot of people that this police brutality was getting out of hand Biz brutalization of unarmed black men and women was getting out of hand, and he says what I'm trying to do is draw your attention to it now. We know before every game. They play the national anthem now. I'm going to take a knee. I he started, he was sick. The city and I thank Matt Boyd. I think I think that's the guy's name. Skip that. He talked to the Marine and late. Nate Boyer Name Boyer and he says where instead of sitting. How about taking me so he because he's coming, you know we we. Least Very. Honorable thing we pray on our knees. You ask a woman for marriage on your knee, so that's a very audible fame. So he took me and saying I'm doing this to protest the police brutality rulers Asian of on our black men and women in America. That's why did he told you that? But they hijacked this narrative to make it look bad, and they made them out the flag. They made it about the anthem. They made it about a of different things except what he told you why he was doing. It so now the unfavorable the mayor was white ball out of the NFL. The League, now they get Basit statement skill. You can head of this. Skill you not going to be on the right side of history a lot of people. On the wrong side of history Dr King, but they WANNA have revisionist history quote everything that he said. What were you saying? Because it was unpopular, then is popular now and you see what has transpired. Skip I wrote a quote down that Nelson Mandela say it's me. We know who a Mr Mandel was twenty seven years in prison for the rights that he believed he said when a man is denied the right to the right to limit life that he believes the he has no choice but to become an outlaw. Black people feel that we deserve the right. To have our voices heard to not be brutalized to have equal representation to have equal access to healthcare to have. Equal access employment. We believe we have that right skillful. We're willing to go to. The unemployment and the healthcare. Skit book, but not our life. And if you try and take it if you keep doing this, we will be back and cap tried to warn you of this, but his stay was very unpopular and now the very thing that he was trying to protect skip his ironic. That the very poems that he hailed. Took a man's life and not everybody is Hashtag. We gotta do better. We gotta do this. But I waiting for a few of those owners as giving you know who I'm talking about one of represents your team. It was about the flag, and how the military and better he's been radio silent. Now, he norma give the microphone and get to the Cameron and Yada Yada Yada all talk talk I need to hear from you now dom Barra. I need to hear from Your Napa. Auto statement. I want to hear the words out your mouth. 'cause you know what you did. The cap just like they did lead. They tried to took career, but he had to go to Supreme Court and buying it back. You know what you did. But Cat was right in cat will move fake give. I thought it was gonNA. Take longer than this I said I said you know what because at the time when role the parts a dog, the king and a lot of these other guys were fighting. Men and women were fighting. They will look. They were frowned upon. Even John McCain was disliked in the black community especially when he took that stance against the Vietnam War skill. That did. But now look we look at these thing and I thought it would take. Long GonNa Take Twenty thirty years. It only took less than five years. The people look at Kaplan a totally different light. So Shannon. Let me be clear on this. Are You okay that Colin Kaepernick has now shifted into. All encouraging revolution that that kind of reaction to resist freedom fighters. Are you okay with with that kind of message from Colin Kaepernick Now? was give the regional the freedom riders and the Guy John Lewis scared is the thing was is that they tried to get? You have to remember now. Dr King and the protest. The vitals were perpetual perpetrated by the government by the police. They didn't do the ballots. So at some point in time you know. How many more marches? How many more hashtags before you actually hear us because we found that? What you really care about? Artifacts is buildings. You don't care about here what we have to say so. That's the only way we seem to be able to get your attention. Your undivided attention is that what we tear up store? Sometimes it's even own store, but we don't know how to control their rage because we're so frustrated because we've been talking for so low and we got Hashtag we got t shirts, Kim. I can't bring. Donna just have a t shirt my five years ago and now we will have to do. Copy of the game in the same thing. So you're not listening. So Shannon. I told you earlier in the show. Is I watched on live TV last night Santa Monica. Businesses and cars burn looted. Rioting widespread, and what used to be a peaceful little tourist destination of a community on the water on the Pacific Ocean. I had next emotions because I hear you I, hear what Colin is saying. Again my my gut is telling me in the end. It's not the right way. But. Is. It may be the only way now to get America's attention white America's attention as I told you earlier, it's hard for me to condone rioting. But I cannot condemn rioting. It continues to open is I. Don't like it that innocent shopkeepers are losing everything to vandalism and fire and theft I. I don't like it, but if that's what it takes to wait, this country completely up. Then I'm barely okay with it and I can't believe those words are coming out of my mouth, because when I first saw that Colin tweeted. This last Thursday I'm thinking Ban Colin you a big left. Turn here when you're saying when civility meaning peaceful protests leads to death, meaning murder of George Floyd. Revolting is the only logical reaction. Okay, I get it. I get it I. Get that hundreds of years a up built up frustration. And anger and fear. Are spilling out and again look or some of the looters. They just robbers. Some are not some fringe. People involved they just want. About we get it, yes, yeah! I got I got it, but in the biggest picture we have widespread rioting across this country. That was just simply an outpouring of. We don't know what else to do frustration. We've had enough. We've had it. We don't know how better to express except we're just gonNa have to break the the doors down, knocked the windows out and go in there and take everything and set it on fire. Now you notice now we have your attention and again it's not the greatest way to do it, but maybe at this moment it's the only way I hope it comes to a peaceful end. I don't WanNa see what happened out here in La in nineteen, ninety two. When remember the four officers who beat the Hell Outta Rodney King got acquitted and what happened the black community? Bell said we have had enough and rioting. In style in and sixty three people died and I don't want to see anybody. I don't to my knowledge I. Don't think anybody's died yet in a protest or any kind of riot situation that I know what? Maybe there's somebody I missed this morning, but I got help us all that we can draw the line at that, but God also help us. That is are being open by the frustration that the black community is taking out on our cities just to say enough I'm with that and I'm with Colin on that point. Escape if you look at any I mean that's how America was founded was was a riot. Yeah, the Great Britain with listen. It was I didn't want to hear if you look at it. You look at any back when you when you want a democracy. Nobody will concede power skip. Unless you fight for it is funny that we got a fighting thing about is the affiliate. Black Americans gotTA. Fight for right that was upon white. Americans book on birth. How are we were equal? Why do I gotta fight for something that should be given to me at birth. And you still got to fight, and you still tell me no, you tell me I'm treated equal skill. I'll just trying to figure. Treated equal, even if you look if you even at the lowest unemployment rate. Even though blacks are the minority we still was. Unemployed then white even in the minority. Skill With the minority, more black and Brown people died from Colon nineteen been the white majority, so how you in the. But you die in the majority. People might hold on. Wait a million. How'd And you get more for education. Ben Me in the minority and I get less. People Black American. People! Wait a minute. Yup, you WanNa Hord, everything up here and not give me anything and did tell me just be patient. And Worthy James Ball with how much more time my grandmother, my grandmother, my grandfather, my brother, my uncles, my aunts. We've been patient. How long were you need for your change? No, no, no, no, no, no! Skill they forget and everybody's like Look Colin. Do you forget what the man that the guy that's in the White House where he tweet? When the looting star shoot, he re tweeted it remember he was on the campaign trail. Take by their rough them up. We need our police. Officers do to be even rougher. Scale. Perpetuating Bala Skill we black people have no history of perpetrating violence against white. Only every action. Of Violence, that's been besieged on us at some point time. You got a big like you said like you gotta fight back as sometime. You gotta stand up for yourself. Yeah, or people will continue to run over you and take from you. In Shannon. Forgive me if I'm stepping out of bounds here. Forgive me if I'm getting too political, but I must make no. A tweet from our president. I believe it was early yesterday. In which our president said, these thugs, all caps, the small caps, thugs are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd and he ended the tweet with. Win, the looting starts the shooting starts. You talk about throwing gasoline on the fire. That's a trees one thousand nine hundred sixty s expression. There was first daughter I believe by the Chief of police of Miami Florida back in the day back in the day. With again that that was his reaction in a racist reaction of Hey, if you WANNA riot, we'll start shooting. And again. It just it still just pierced my heart to read this tweet. Because now you're just you're re emphasizing everything. Kapernick is tweeting. Yeah, so cabinet say see I told you. That's where we are. Now you forced as well to that. Exactly skip, and then he says that these codes which we know, what those mean is another word for the N. word, but okay. Charlottesville they good people and ask them with good people in Charlottesville when those people will storm in the capital, two buildings about being served by getting haircuts getting tattoos, they just want to be heard really nice and good people. You see Tony which he has. He speaks to do a specific group of people. But we're here. And I believe that twitter. Locked that tweet as insensitive as too sensitive for everyone to see which is. I think as telling. As can be. Joining us now, friend of this show Eric Dyson. Thank you for being here. He is the author of tears. We cannot stop which addresses the plague of police brutality against black Americans. My I know you have been a busy guy with lots to talk about, and I just want to start by asking your reaction to what you've been seeing across the country in response to the horrible murder of George Floyd. We remind people the grief is profound. Suffering deep. The Cry Poignant and compelling. We remind nation. A nation that still to this day refuses to recognize the fundamental decency and humanity of black people. When we say black lives matter, we're not trying to suggest no one else's life. Matters were suggesting that other lives have been recognized, but ours still haven't. And so when I see what's happening with George Floyd of black man begging. For relief from a knee apply to his neck, the full weight of that white man that white cop upon his neck, the full weight of a society that refuses to lift its knee from our nets, the full weight of a society that is imbued with white supremacist logic and ideologies that purpose. Penetrate, even some aspects of law enforcement in this country. So I. Weep for this nation, because George Floyd is a human being who deserved to be alive today. There is no reason that he shouldn't be here. Except for the heinous disregard for black life that seems to pervade not only the police force of America but American Society, and we see in many ways, not only with George Floyd, but in central park where the police were weaponized, the very threatened them. To be called upon a man who was bird-watching when we think about Ahmad artery in Georgia doing a simple things, jogging down the street, and being subject to being hunted down and killed like an animal, so unless this nation addresses the deeply entrenched racial bias and racial inequality prevails. We will be having this conversation again as deeply profoundly painful as it is. We still have not learned to embrace. To recognize and ultimately in a very powerful sense to love each other, as fellow American citizens, Doctors Four Hundred Years in the making. How do you start to undo an unravel in teradata system that was built to hold power, and to keep certain groups of people, a certain space, and only allow if to get out while holding the majority of those. How do you get out of this space? How do you convince America? That's been in power for such a long time that. That does not want to concede that power, but want to hold on and hold onto that space. How do you undo four hundred one years? That's that's a great point. And that is. That is the question because when the new. York Times led by Nicole Hannah Jones at the New York Times magazine. Put forth the sixteen nineteen project on the one hand. You would think man there would have been tremendous celebration because what she's trying to suggest is from sixteen, thousand nine hundred. were, extricated from their rest and African soil, and forcibly brought here against their will in Jamestown that this began the long pilgrimage of plantation life and Tremendous suffering and radical racial inequality in the country, but so many even liberal historians. Oh my God. This is wrong. America did not begin with the pledge that it would maintain and preserve enslavement. There's a kind of willful disregard for the truth that must prevail if we can't get serious scholars and historians to acknowledge this. What more can we expect? Our American citizen Green but having said that we gotta do a couple of things, first of all shows like this have to continue willing chip away at the architectonic structure of ignorance. And a rig refusal to see there's a willful blindness here that says I don't want to look. We gotTA face history number one number two. We've got to commit ourselves as American citizens to fight this bigotry, and whatever we make up the overspill of anger. And hostility in the streets there is at least the coming together of black and Brown and red and yellow in those streets if we could find a way four. A. And out of those violent arenas, how would we be? And then finally I think we have to admit this that when we talk about black people rising, but we know multiracial. What about white riots in Corporate America? What about white riots and CEO? CEO Businesses and CEO rooms boardrooms. What about the white riot going on in the White House of Predatory neo-fascist President who refuses to acknowledge the central claim of humanity for black people? Brown people for immigrants and all others. This man is a plague upon this nation. We're dealing with simultaneous play, a pandemic of nineteen and a pandemic of Colbert Sixteen, Nineteen, and the deeply entrenched racist resistance to the humanity of black people is something. We've got to acknowledge if we don't. Don't say if we don't acknowledge it, and Ben move in our schools in our churches, our synagogues, our temples in our public and private enterprise in our civic of you know in our civic gatherings we will not be able to confront this issue, and furthermore I'm so proud of those athletes who are standing up. I'm proud of the few riot. Elites who have spoken up I wish Tom Brady the goat would speak up. You're throwing the ball to a black man. Why don't you talk about a need? Being put on that neck? That could have been your player. That potentially could have been anybody in any of your families who have been subjected this so I wish that white athletes would see if we are team and a family. Let's talk about it in a way. That recognizes their human Dr. we love and respect you and the power of your voice that you were blessed with. And I lean on you and I learned from you and I. Ask you this question today. Is, rioting now the right way to draw the attention needed to this issue well, it's a very powerful question. Obviously clearly, no one condones rioting. No one condones the destruction of property. But Oh my God I wish we could be just as upset. At the way in which black bodies are being torn limb from Limb, I wish we could be just as set at modern technological wizardry applied to black bodies that leaves to lynching I wish we could be just as vehement in our denunciations. Of the hate and scorn to black people have to deal with, and then when we look at why they are rioting why they are rebelling why they are resisting even Martin Luther. King Junior said. A riot is the voice of the unheard. So the question, we have to ask dear brother skip. Is What's not being heard? And not only what's not being heard, and who's that being heard? But whose silencing those from being her? That's the real riot, so we have slow Beilenson fast violence what we see in the streets fast violence what we see in the boardroom, slow violence, the murder of hope and aspiration on a daily basis, so we look at the consequence, but not the calls we look at the symptom. But not the underlying reality and disease that fuels and feeds it Martin Luther, King. Junior and his letter from Birmingham Jail said. To focus on law and order. Without talking about the disorder and chaos this fuels and feeds it. Is To be hypocritical and I don't want to be a hypocrite. Yes, we must protect property, but more than property we must protect bodies. Property means nothing in the face of the human body, and when black people see that this nation refuses to stand up to protect its body. They don't care about Gucci. They don't care about Louis Vuitton. They don't care about the local haberdashery. What they? They care about is the building. Call their bodies that are being torn down daily from the quiet riot's as Roger. Wilkins called them a white supremacy and affecting US day. That's real riot. We have to be concerned about Dr. what people need to understand. What oblige learn to right. Where did they learn this kind of Violence Balas? That was pervy. That will pech await it against them. It was those what about those bombers into sixty when they bombed the church when they bombed someone house that they found that you vote, you voted. There was just a case about a month ago. Way Why group drove with came up to the black family's house and try to take the boy out of the house because they thought he had something to do with the girl disappeared little. Girl was going somewhere else, but you see how they do that. We we're the only race of people that came. Somebody came from one continent. Talk. Mom Dad separated us that never happened to anybody else, and you deny that that happened. Oh you tell us without that, wasn't you? That wasn't me. So why do you care because that's ingrained? And it has not stopped you. Kate trampling on. Are Both you if you rob a man of. You give him every reason to lash out and do whatever it takes to hold on to to grab on to survive if you cannot rob Amanda hope because he even despair. Do because he says I have nothing to lose you. That whole, so what do I have to lose besides going out with a Bang Blaze of glory so? As, you say Dr, King said the earn heard you. Hear they refused to listen. The blind has made is not the man that cannot see is the one that chose not to see. They choose not to dock, but it's GonNa get worse. If like these these hurricanes, this flooding is getting worse. The conditions are pride for to get worse. The conditions are crime for this to get worse. America you better listen? Yes and I think to piggyback on that brilliant point and the powerful point to skip made as well and let me respond to both of them. The reality is this the shame of a riot shame of an urban rebellion? Is Not the activity of the people there alone it is the fact that they have not been heard until such a thing occurs and look at the trick bag that black and Brown and other people have put in. We say now you're distracting me from hearing you a great point. You're making through your protest because you are speaking louder with your actions than your words, but the reality is when the words were there alone without the riots. Nothing was heard when Colin Kaepernick took a knee. It was as if he were rioting. The white owners of the NFL. Antennas if Colin, Kaepernick had taken a blow torch to their building to burn it down, so the reality is Utah while black people doing anything. You don't want us to respectfully engage in civil protests. And you decry us when we go out into the streets, spilling out as as a Shannon, has talked about from the centuries of pain, the grief the hardship, emba suffering so damned if you do damned if you don't and innovation that elevates property above human beings property above persons. Morally bankrupt civilization and society to kill a man or woman because they are trying to steal your car. Is Nefarious. Yes, even JR Smith I understand. You know you're upset. If somebody tried to you, know Bashar Window and you put a whipping on his behind it i. get the the reality there, but for me and my. Property is not bigger been personality and people, and the evil of American society is that it is reduced black people to property. And then when we cease the become property, it's still treated this after enslavement right on plantations that were mobile share cropping, and we know what share cropping was. They were tricking us into forcibly going along with the society and perpetuating the legacy of inequality. Because we were illiterate. We didn't know that we have long since paid our bill and we were kept there. It was slavery. By another name, and so, what we see now is violence by another name just because you do it sneakily just because you throw the rock and then High Jehan just because you drop the bomb and declared that you are innocent, and a policeman of the world doesn't mean that you're not engaging in fundamentally inimical propositions against the humanity of black people, and by the way undercutting the best values of this society as a nation E. pluribus unum out of many one I I hate to interrupt you guys because I. Know this conversation is far from over. Michael Eric. DYSON IS GONNA. Stick around as we continue this discussion. Welcome back to undisputed. We're still here with author. Professor. Human rights activist Doctor Michael Eric, dyson. We so appreciate your time right now and skip I. Know You at a specific direction. You wanted to question for Michael. Do Doctor Please give us your insight. Into the latest shift in the message via twitter that we're getting from Colin Kaepernick, who tweeted the other day when civility meaning peaceful protests leads to Daf meeting murder revolting is the only logical reaction. Your violence has brought this resistance. We have the right to fight back and now a fund is you know doctor has been? Now to support the has been set up to support the as calls them the freedom fighters who got arrested in Minneapolis, and maybe in other cities. Your thoughts on all of the above. It's tragic that this is the choice, right? It's tragic that black people and Brown people white people. Asian brothers and sisters and others who are protesting in the streets. Have a choice between taking care of their bodies under a pandemic remember. This is still pandemic. Where people will not socially distancing where all of them don't wear masks, but the need is so deep. And is so great that they're willing to risk their lives because remaining home. Means that they will still be vulnerable. I think Shannon and skipping and Jenny the reality is that that that black people look at it even during a pandemic. The police are on message. They will kill. Even during the pandemic. Certain white supremacists and vigilantes our own message. They will murder. So we have to risk everything in order to extract from America, the final proof of the promise that it gave to us as citizens of this nation look, I understand the anger of a Colin Kaepernick. I understand his resolve to say that revolution was necessary. We do need a revolution, Martin. Luther King Junior talk about a revolution values. So and France known talked about the way in which violence was being deployed against about the the Third World, and against vulnerable people now having to be to meet that fire with fire, obviously as a Baptist minister and a nonviolent human being. I prefer non violent means. To that end, but let's be real, did Martin Luther King Junior accomplished with he accomplished without violence. No, he didn't promote it, but he understood he could provoke it. When he went to Birmingham, he knew that bull connor as bigoted buffoon would engage unleashing water hoses on black men and women and children, and the by cusps at incisors of police dogs ripping at the flesh of vulnerable. Vulnerable Black People Martin Luther King junior orchestrated the provocation of violence to underscore the hypocrisy of American citizenship, and to also make a compelling argument to the nation that what is going on here is fundamentally evil and corrupt, and so he wanted America to be transformed, but he knew he had to expose the virus, so to speak of hatred in order for a vaccine of love. Reconciliation to occur and I think that's where Colin Kaepernick understands this position right now, and here's the point again. Shame is that it takes that. In order for us to be heard, this shame is that it takes the the rebellion in the street and revolt and BA looting and rioting. For America to understand just how painful it is to be black in America to endure. The hurts the slings. Arrows about -rageous misfortune in the name of an American Society for which we fought bled and die, and yet cannot extend to us the fundamental decency of our humanity or our full citizenship. Dot. Talk about Dr King Lot but if you remember that sixty four in Harlem when the head to rise sixty five and sixty five watts, they had another ride in sixty seven, when the police officer invaded the after hours bar in Detroit and Dr. King, proud to that was very outspoken on riot. He he detested. He said they can do all they won't to. Dr King is not Martin. Luther King is not for that, but it changed to skip one year to the day before he died on April. Portnoy, one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty seven. He says I can no longer condemn those that right without calling out the greatest purveyors of violence, my own government. He said how can say that? You got the just doing balance. Robbing and looting are wrong without calling the Barre government that perpetrate. Against the very people that say are American and have the same rights as everybody else. How. One day, he said. He did and he said I refuse to talk about the Molotov. Cocktails thrown by young black men in the street. When we're dropping napalm on rice, patties NAM. And so he saw the essential unity of his moral universe. Right while Billy Graham was going into South Africa. Saying no God is concerned about the soul I leave the body to government. No Sir Howard Thurman the Mystic and author and preacher sent the place in time of a man's life and the women's life on. Is the. Easter. And we're? The body is sacred. It is the House of God for those of us believe so, and when you tear down that temple bed policeman was doing sacrilegious work. He was engaging in civic evil and social inequality and injustice by depriving George. Floyd of the right to live so again Martin Luther King Junior said. That's the real violence bets the violence that we must underscore. That's the violence that we must highlight, and that's the violence that every minister imam and religious figure should be preaching against in his or her temple or mosque or rabbi in. An Ashram for those who who practice their the bugaboo. GITA, the holik around the Bible the Old Testament, the art of motorcycle Maintenance Snoop Dogg's lyrics whatever you listen to. You should understand that this is the evil that confronts us, and unless we as a nation galvanized around the recognition of our humanity, we are doing ill service, so the noble deeds and aspirations of American citizenship, if it'll. Go ahead Shannon going. Go. Out Those criminal justice system is set up to way. You have the police that rest the offenders. You have the DA that prosecute the offenders too many times. We have police trying to do DA's work. Do Job. Arrest pender now your job done. Let the DA dole out. The Senate in the punishment that's not through giant act like judge, jury and God deciding GonNa take a life pro-life at the beginning. Of Boarding, human life that is black at the end. Dr Thank you so much for your words for your time, and we look forward to having you back on our show soon. Really powerful stuff, appreciate not. Today's undisputed has looked a bit different, and we've had important and powerful conversations as we have reacted to the protests. It's it's crazy. We three hour show and I'm so emotional. Thinking about the death of George Lloyd. We have reacted. We have tried to have honest conversations, and it hasn't been easy and we're not done talking about this, but Shannon I would like a final thought from you on Today on what we've talked about. This, a beard, difficul conversations that we must have in order to advance the ball of apart too long. We've turned by. We've tone down there and pretending that the issues does did not exist. We know they do exist. And I understand this skip. Sports debate, talk show, but this is sports. This affects us all because so many of sports heroes on black men. And this goals to them into bore us to have an opportunity to lend our boys to let people know. We hear you. We understand, and we're willing to do something. We've had enough and for us to give me the opportunity to fit across from you to talk about these issues that in of itself. It will accomplish. Which is why Shannon today of all days it has been an honor to share the stage with you and I want you to know here on live TV I am so proud of all you stand so strongly for when it comes to racial injustice. God, bless you. But Humana appreciate. Stay strong people. Stay strong and again maybe tomorrow we'll do a little more sports, but we're. This is very important day for us here on undisputed. I agree with skip and I echo that Shannon. Thank you for paving the way for your honesty. Start all of this How can we be a part of the change? That's what I'm taking from today and we'll be back. Same time tomorrow.

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WWHL @ Home: Shannon Storms Beador & Jana Kramer

Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen

22:45 min | 8 months ago

WWHL @ Home: Shannon Storms Beador & Jana Kramer

"Welcome to the Bravo clubhouse for the podcast addition of watch what happens live with me? Andy Cohen. Songs you can't get out of your head and one time. She couldn't get a piece of plastic out of her bum. It's ovens live with Shannon stores for door Janna Kramer now. See. Right Welcome to watch whatever rob bureaus Dan Cohen with one guest whose book dishes out relationship advice, and there has been known to throw a dish or to she closed the old be door and opened a new one. Please welcome real housewives from Orange County Shannon storms or Dollar Bill and my next guest actress country singer, and Co author of the good fight wanting to leave choosing to stay in the powerful practice for loving faithfully say hi Bravo fanatic Janna Kramer Adriana. Great to see you. For having me your a huge. Fan, what does it mean to be on here on Premiere night with Shannon? Storms Madore. MAZING. I'm obsessed you look beautiful. This is this is a total dream come. Curious. Thanks for. I love it. You know so much to break down. We haven't. We haven't talked. ASEAN. So long I got start with this random moment from tonight's episode Shannon. Decorated your gym with a giant portrait of Yourself I. That's very interesting. Defend that portrait. Okay. It is. So not me but it was done at an appearance that I did and Jeff. Lewis said you have to frame that and hang it up and Jeff told me wearing you to put it i. did it. There you go. All right. Okay. Now, I can give a crap about that. Well, last year we saw Shannon get whacked in the head while wearing a meditation bowl this year, the OC and the rest of the world we're hit even harder by global pandemic, and since this all went down while Orange County was filming I want a quick forecast on that with Shannon's storms warning Shannon, which housewife was most guilty of not following proper social distancing guidelines. Kelly died. I'm stunned. What have you thought about Kelly's social media activity when it comes to wearing masks and her opinion in the virus? Kelly dot is Kelly Dodge. She will say what she thinks and sometimes doesn't know how people are going to perceive that information but that's that's county. Be, honest. Did you hoard toilet paper I? Kinda feel like you did. Now. No. In fact, like we had a few times where there were issues. So what I was more concerned about was having the supplements. The healthy vitamin rights, right how did you feel not only you but all three of your daughters. Tested, positive for covid nineteen I who had it the worst and how are you having any remaining symptoms or anything? None of us have any symptoms I think everyone had different symptoms. One couldn't taste or smell one had more chest pain I had headaches. Varied from person to person. which are the housewives were the most supportive during your your illness? You know pretty much everyone called me I will say that the day I got diagnosed Bronwyn. Live block away and there was the Ball soup sitting at my front tar which I thought was really sweet. Homemade. Wow. How supportive was your ex husband when both you and your daughters were all positive Three girls tested positive before I did. So I went and quarantined John's because he and I were both negative and I said we're the girls GonNa go and he said we'll just put him up hotel because his fiancee's pregnant so it was hard it was really hard to figure it out. We sent the girls home to my house and figured Sophie. Eighteen nine, thousand nine, hundred, well, Janet Kramer starred on the teen drama one Tree Hill. So it makes sense that she loves a certain group of adults who tend to be angsty easier than all of the world's teens combined Bravo liberties. So it's time to get her takes with Bravo. No, they didn't. Okay. So lots to unpack from tonight's OC finale. I mean premiere the IT ended very dramatically with Bronwyn search confession that she is an alcoholic. What was your reaction to that Jan? An actually I want to get yours to Shannon. I mean I personally think you know We have addiction in in our family. My husband suffers from an addiction and is living with that addiction is very shameful and the fact that she's being open about it she doesn't have to be it's anonymous. So it's her choice whether to say something but the fact that this is your second season and she's being so open I think I think it's amazing I. Hopefully, it's going to help other people you know Feel like they can express and I think. I think it's great and I hope people hope the women supporter sherline. What was your reaction to seeing that that scene at the end of tonight's episode Now I have to say when I saw it I got I got chills. So I mean I, I admire her per everything that she's doing I mean sobriety est top and and she's she's handling it. So I I admire. Janice Shannon and Kelly seemingly buried the hatchet tonight. Do you think their friendship is going to weather the storm or is history bound to repeat itself? I don't see them having a good relationship. I don't even just the picture you put up right there. They don't. They don't see eye to eye. It's cool. I like watching the drama, but they're not I. Don't think they're gonNA. Lack. Jeddah, what was your thoughts on Gina and her boyfriend moving their combined six kids into one townhouse would I would wait until I was engaged to because here's the thing with the kids if they were to break up, that's that's a new season for the kids to have to move and. A whole new change from nothing that just be really hard on them. So I think I personally I would wait if it was me. Initial thoughts on the new housewife Elizabeth. She seems fun. She seems like she's a good time. So we'll see Shannon I duNno. Yes. Shannon and what what was your original? What was what were your first impressions of Elizabeth? Housewife that I clicked with at the beginning, but she's very calm facts. There's a lot of layers to peel off to figure out who Elizabeth Vargas. Emily and Shane's relationship seems to be on the APP. Do you believe these two are going to last Jonah? I love. Emily, she came on my podcast I. Love Her so much. I don't feel like he's being portrayed from how she said that he is in in real life. So it it kind of breaks heart a little bit because I really want her to be happy It's interesting when she was on my show, she had said that a lot of people think that he's Gay but I you know she's like that's just he has his own kind of personality. So I hope I don't know I. Wish he would be a little nicer door though. Shannon it's interesting to see your relationship with emily goes to places that I never thought that I would that I would see it. How can you? How do you describe what happens with the two of you? Know. It's just you know where we were putting a situation where we work together and then. A Little Bit Fun Emily I I've been talking about where Spun Emily for a couple of years now and I have met financially very him. I love it. Jenna I know you're watching Potomac what what's your reaction to the? Candice. Monique situation. Look so I'm? You don't ever put your hands on someone, but the fact that candace said that she faked like you don't. You don't mess with that. I had five minutes carriages. If someone was to say I've based my miscarriage I might punch someone do. And I'm not an advocate for putting your hands on anyone. That's wrong. But you do not taste like that. We've got three relationships at the Crossroads Karen Enrages, Ellen Jamal and Robin and John Which one which of these three do you think will go the distance I mean, I think Karen Ray because they're putting the work in and that's the most important thing you can do. All, right. Last up reaction to Ashley Michael's continued relationship drama. So I get this one I, file the post nap, my husband cheated you have to protect yourself and you know the fact that she's now pregnant. That's amazing. But I also think that you have to you have to protect yourself. and. I'm I'm proud of her for doing that and I'm excited that they can work on their relationship and move past this. Your your book is so open I mean you and your husband talked about so much about his sex addiction and his his infidelity I wonder as you and I know you're a huge oc fan as you watched Shannon deal with David's infidelity on the show and then getting back together what was your reaction to how how things played out with the two of them? Broke my heart because you know for me like my husband and I after he cheated, we renewed our vows. We did all of that and fact that yeah, and so the fact that then you know your ex husband says after all that after you put all this work in all the time and just the all the negativity in your, you're wanting to overcome it. And City. I'm gone I'm so sorry I can't even imagine like I i. you're already shattered because they cheat and then you're shattered that they don't end up choosing you in the end and that that's that's awful and I'm so sorry I can't I can't imagine how that feels. But hopefully, you hope that you're in a better place. I mean I'm I'm so grateful that had happened because I'm happy now also it's all good. Yeah that's. It was very sweet. Shannon it was super sweet seeing you starting a new page. Kelly. Starting a new page. I don't think I'm using the right turns to turning a new page whatever and Gina like it was really nice seeing everybody with new guys and it was really nice. Okay. Let's go to our virtual audience for a few questions. Bret has a question Shannon what is it? Hi Shannon I. Do you think emily's problems in her marriage were really caused by her hip or do you think it's an excuse? Well, you know I have to say that this season I've a completely different personality So it I think it might have been hip related, but I have to say an anti you were there at our reunion when Shane came I was just fascinated by the whole thing because I thought he was just this not very nice person. But to hear that he says she's beautiful every morning like. I thought about things differently after that. Abby to. Jonah has a question for Janna. Janna. You said on your podcast addition for the real housewives of Beverly Hills. What was the audition process like and who do you think you would have the most and least on the show. my goodness So I was a phone call I talked to the producer, and then we did a skype Bishen but I was supposed to be going on the show to Teddy's friend. But clearly, teddy is an on the show anymore but I I feel like I've probably would have clashed with Eric the most. Interesting. All right. Shannon Emily and wants to know if you were surprised to find out. That Bronwyn had to take such serious measures to cut back on drinking and. was that a surprise to you? I mean, when someone has to go to that step, it's always surprising but. Did she drink a lot? Yes. Janna Jackie wants to know if the rumors were true years ago that you Scott Eastwood were dating. Yeah we dated. Awesome. I love that. That's God. Shannon. Caroline g wants to know if you were invited to Kellyanne Rick's wedding and if you sent a wedding gift. Okay first of all, it was just a few days ago and yes, I was invited. Sophie supplies we in home from Baylor. So I didn't go and she was just here for the weekend and I bought the gift, but but it will be nice. Okay. Janna. BECCA J. Thirty four wants to know if you regret sharing any of the intimate details of your relationship with the public has putting it all out there. Hope both he'll. Darren. Times and I definitely regret it. Just because I recently got a d. m. in my instagram saying that my husband cheated on me again and getting those kinds of things. Kind of freaks me out at first but I think in the end I'm happy because I do know we have helped people the you know the silver lining and that marriages are work it takes two people and it's really hard. But you know if you keep fighting and if two people are willing to fight, you can get through it. So what was the what was the story on that DM I'm assuming you then confronted your husband. Well I didn't confront him at first because I was scared because honestly the first time I found out cheated was from DM and it was true. So when I first got no, we just Got New York Times bestseller like this isn't happening. This isn't happening right now like my heart just like sunk to the floor and. I waited a few days. I was like I need to talk to my therapist. I, need to DM this woman back or whoever this person was and get more information and see if it's actually true or if they're just trying to massive man, you know as I got more information I realized that it wasn't true and eventually a few days later told my husband and said like, Hey, this is what happened. This is why I've been a little bit more distant, scared and I I didn't trust I didn't know what to trust online. Okay. Well, good. I'm glad there was a happy ending tonight. We'll after Tory Gina's new townhouse. Shannon was worried that it was too small even comfortably house nine lemons. So I want to know if my boss will have a high success rate of predicting the Lowest Square footage on Bravo let's find out with whose house is smaller. Okay. This is a fun game. I'm playing the two of you are guessing okay whose houses smaller gazelles cabin in the woods or Bethany freckles, New York apartment Janna whose houses smaller. And Kevin in the way Shannon. Yet I'd say the same. Okay yes. You're both correct. Okay, whose houses smaller Cameron West Scott's house or Emily Simpson's house. What do you think Shannon Storms Madore. Emily's. Janna. I'm going to go with emily to you are both correct. Houses smaller Duri comes lease Encino compound or Kyle. Richards a State Janna what do you think? Dorey share Shannon. Derry. Yes, you're both correct. But not by much by sixty nine, right? Okay. whose houses smaller remote singers, Hamptons House or Braun Wins New House Shannon, storms door. Janna. Yes I'm going with Shannon on that one. RAMONA's more okay. whose house is smaller Sonia Morgan's upper east side townhouse or Cynthia Belize. Lake Bailey House. Shannon. All. Right. I'm GONNA say Johnny. I'm saying Sonia to you are. Smaller House just by four hundred blast up whose houses smaller Chateau Sha array or more manner Shannon storms. More manner. Jonah. Yes, more manner is smaller by four thousand feet. Thank you for playing Shannon. Valerie via. We got a lot of people wanting to know how you're getting along with David, these days, and how are you feeling about the fact that he's having a baby soon? And fighting with the baby I mean. I thought I thought it would have happened a lot earlier. I think we talked about a two reunions ago that I thought maybe she was going to have a baby. So I find with that as far as co-parenting it's not really happening and that's a shame for me because. I. Moved on, he's moved on I I. Wish Him All the happiness, but I wanna be able to communicate better kids, right. That's important Janna Amelia asaid given all the hurdles you've overcome in your own marriage. Is there a divorce housewives couple that you think could have saved their marriage? I really liked Meghan But he cheated too. So I, just I don't know it. Yeah I. Know There's a lot there but I feel like. I feel like the love was there so. If he could've. Done more work maybe they could have made it work because I do know there was a lot of love there. I told Jim that he should have sent Vicki a basket or something she predicted it to the day the end of their mallory. Jaded, she said in five years and then arrive years. Day. It's crazy. I was standing right there how yes you were. It's time for another installment. This hey, in Bravo story. Okay. This one's a doozy. Tonight marks the ten year anniversary of the series premiere. The real housewives of Beverly Hills even though no one on the show has aged today. Here's a clip from that momentus. Here's the hoping boom doesn't fall out. Happen. I know the surprise on my face was terror. is to look good. What else was good. Give me compliments like I. Just hope he really is gay because he spends a lot of time with my wife. Meaning, there's nothing. Okay. They've lost. Don't eat a husband I. Classic they were all on watch live together that night to here's another decade a diamonds. I WanNa thank Shannon and Jennifer being here tomorrow Night Joey King and Sam Smith. Thanks guys. Thank you too. All right hey, everybody to watch what I was after show with Shannon Storms Madore Jenna crammers book is called the good fight wanting to leave choosing to stay in the powerful practice for loving. Faithfully, it's out now and welcome to our audience as well. Shannon Megan are wants to know what's holding you back from moving in with John. How far does he live from you? And that fifteen minutes but the bottom line is I do want to be married in in a partnership but. I'm fifty six years old and I wanNA make sure that it's right. I don't want to. Make the wrong decision again. So I'm not in a rush for anything SMART Jonah. Heather. See wants to know which Bravo Liberty you would love to have on your podcast that you haven't already. Shannon. Obviously. like to have. Kyle. Jalen Natasha wants to know if there's anything you and Mike both agreed to leave out of the new book your very revealing. Yet the only thing that we don't discuss is how many people he's left with two and where. Yeah Pretty Much That Shannon. Greg de wants to know who do you think how the best and worst tag lines of the season? I. It's not necessarily the line I. Think it was like the delivery I don't think that Kelly's delivery I just it was just weird to me and ingenious to there in a little off. And I I'm going to say mine was. Asked. I wonder what David's reaction to yours as. Probably take credit for it because it's his name. Oh God. Wow Janna release wants to know who from one tree hill you keep up with the most and do you think they'll ever be reboot of some kind I don't think there will be a reboot. I am. I'm closest to Chantal Manhattan. All right. Okay. Well, we're going to leave it there. I WanNa thank Shannon Storms Madore Janna Kramer and thank you to our audience for more click around Bravo dot com great season. We will seal it. Thanks for listening to the PODCAST. Everybody. You enjoyed the show remember new episodes live Monday through Friday at four PM eastern time. Make sure your subscribe to have a great rusty or.

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Mai Koun Hun . Nigar Afsha Siddique . IINK Podcasts . Episode 2

IINK Podcasts HI

01:43 min | 3 months ago

Mai Koun Hun . Nigar Afsha Siddique . IINK Podcasts . Episode 2

"Out regarding lobbying buddies you hang god you. Ms shore be midnight. Missile food food at the shannon be soon be seen much Some ninety make khushi ranga name. You don myabe. I don't lobby as a db.

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Navigating Mental Health through Coaching with Shannon Jaccard, CEO & Co-Founder of Ballast Health

Outcomes Rocket

27:28 min | 2 years ago

Navigating Mental Health through Coaching with Shannon Jaccard, CEO & Co-Founder of Ballast Health

"Welcome to the outcomes rocket podcast where we inspire collaborative thinking improved outcomes and business success with today's most successful and inspiring healthcare leaders and influencers and now your host so marquez welcome back to the podcast today. I have the privilege of hosting shannon card. She is the c._e._o. And co founder of ballast health balanced health is is creating stability in turbulence by providing peer and family coaching. She recently stepped down as the ceo of national alliance on mental illness nami comey in san diego after eight years an organization dedicated to the lives of individuals affected by mental illness and their family members shannon serves on on several board of directors including our international and the meeting place clubhouse in san diego county she has received numerous awards such as the channel donaldson news leadership award and the rana and pretty end discrimination award she was named one of san diego's fifty people to watch by san diego magazine in in two thousand and two shannon founded compeer sandiego a nonprofit organization to provide friendship and support individuals with mental illness as we tackle this issue of mental illness and mental wellness as well i think more and more providers and payers and and really in the industry as a whole time to really see the importance of of taking care of both and not just one and so i'm excited to hear shannon's ends insights today and want to give you a warm welcome shannon. Thank you traveling. It's a pleasure now. Did i miss anything in the intro. You wanna share with the listeners yeah. Actually i have one kind of exciting announcement. My good that is on siblings and mental illness will be available elbow on tuesday april names tabah much congratulations. Okay so what will do folks is <hes> when this podcast casco's live. We'll be sure to provide a link to this book so that you could check it out and we'll definitely be asking some questions to shannon about what it's out out in in what major pearls could be gained from it so appreciate that that inside shannon what is it that got you into healthcare well over my year in the field. I found that many people enter healthcare muscle healthcare due to either personal issues by themselves. They're their own illnesses or his has beloved one so i kind of like my book alluded to being assembling my brother was diagnosed with schizophrenia and when he received the diagnosis my life's changed course so beforehand i was a marketing director at a software for which did give me the tools that i needed to run a company but that was no longer where what my passion stood and his diagnosis change directory of my career into mental health care well. It's <hes> it's definitely something life changing for sure and <hes> <hes> everything happens for a reason right. I mean the the work. You're doing at the software firm. How it parlayed into the work you're doing now. I think it's interesting and so now now that you've been working in the mental health space. What's your perspective on what needs to be an health leaders agenda and are you pursuing that lamelo matter if if you're in a physical healthcare field or a mental healthcare field mental health needs to be top of everyone's list. We're kind of in a crisis situation in this country. We know now that that are former surgeon. General civic wordy stated that we are in a basically loneliness epidemic which is causing more just than at heart disease cancer cancer diabetes over and in fact. We're out of thirty years. He was irate high in this country as well so mental health care not just for the patient perspective active. Somebody who's walking into your doors or into your firm but from your employee perspective is all you have to have both hats on because every person a person who has a mental health issue hasn't family and that family in as much crisis is the individual who has the onus is all so to support both really really create a healthier environments and then ultimately actually helps put activity which then serves more people if they <hes> in a ripple effect yeah i think it's a good call all out shannon and on the suicide rate point just the other day i had a friend reach out to me and let me know that they're doing some counseling at ah his daughter's school because one of the teachers just committed suicide and even even when you take a look at families then you take a look at the schools and in the impact that that people have on on their communities this this also becomes a societal thing that that needs to be addressed so i'm curious about the work you're doing. Maybe you could share an example of how you guys are making a difference in the space. One thing that we you have found to be the most successful way supporting others is by being vulnerable yourself. I think healthcare has done a disservice both from the provider's perspective effective and the patient family perspective is that a provider community has basically been taught not to share and not be vulnerable in their experiences and we need read that paradigm shift because the more that the story is shared and the more there's commonality the more you feel that you can trust the system and by trusting wresting trusted everything when it comes to any type of healthcare so when you have trust in your provider. You're trusting your medicine in your community and your support system. You're more likely likely to take part in it which then hopefully should lead to better healthcare outcome. So what we have found is just the act of being vulnerable sharing your story. Hey you know were it sounds so simple and it is so simple and it's just not being done. It's done in these one to one situation very loosely but it needs to be done just medically so how how is that possible. You know i mean 'cause i definitely am wondering right. Some folks listening. They're like well okay. I've got ten minutes with a patient. How do i do that. You know as as a provider you know and do that well. You know if your if your provider you're doing a lot of listening listening to stories together sharing sharing what they're feeling why they're stealing it and we have to throw in some kind of questions that are personal personal and then you you near it back. Oh yeah i've had this situation. That's kind of it takes one or two sentence is. Is that really create that that sounds community. It's not a that you have to go into your whole family backstory yeah but there's going to be acquaint that your patients gonna say something. You're gonna ask the question question in a way that you can mirror and that right. There creates a trach and kennedy. I like that. I like that you kept it so simple and <hes> <hes> if you have the moment to really reflect back it's possible to create that trust and vulnerability without that whole backdrop i think that's key so some of the think about any individual level and then as we take a look at a medical directors and even system ceo's thinking through how can we better improve prove the effectiveness of our programs and and so maybe that's that's the thing that we do is is take a note from shannon and say how can we <music> within as quick of time as best possible given the shortage of time that we have with patients today create trust and vulnerability. This is something something that finally that i think we all need to be thinking about more and i think a lead to more satisfaction right shannon for even the provider definitely because there's a lot of providers that are super burned out today yeah yeah that's that's not creating a healthy environment now interesting so so as so. You've worked in this space for for a long time now close to ten years. Maybe you could weave in some content from your book idea. We are two and talk to us about some of the common mistakes that happen when addressing mental illnesses when addressing mental is that one of the so some of the mistakes that i find that are still out there is a lack of understanding that stigma alone is deadly. It stigma is one of those words is that we kinda fluff off and say. It's not that big of a deal for it. We know about it but we're not going to concern ourselves with it but stigma itself has led to you a lot of issues in fact i had a patient wants. Come up to me and say shannon. It's more dignified. Take your own life than to admit you haven't that's and and that people really listen to those words. That should be astounding that someone who thinks that way that it should never ever be the answer. We're taking one's own life before for speaking out firmness so when it comes to it takes a house is that we have to one not assume thing you know the patient saying x y and z. Just joan assume you know everything. Listen active listening mirroring is really important and then bringing in the family visit something that goes actually really to insurance companies that we need to work on is that they provide reimbursable for family support when it comes to be the son or daughter has the mental illness and it's something that i'm working with drew balance as well just not there yet but if you do more work with the families because you see your patient like you just said for ten minutes at that and then they leave and even our therapist if they're working with their business is still a very short period of time compared to the amount of time. They're living at home but we need to create the best healthy environment at home which really boils down to education as well since there's just so little education or lentil especially in their growing up years. There's not that much about it. I would just say the biggest thing is is understanding the impact if dig much truly understanding feeling that is deadly and then really listening to the patient story as much as possible. I know the short time period but they need to earn that trust has is to go you know most people with mental enter this deal and be the back of the car so already their trust is pretty much negligible so you're actually in charge of rebuilding. Bring it back up so that they want to be involved in the community. So there's a lot one works for providers to do yeah really work really is <unk> but you bring up some really great points in i think <hes> the stigma you know if you're not suffering with it in folks by the way we've talked about. This in previous episodes ed's now. We're talking about one out of every four people in the u._s. As a mental illness as twenty five percent that's a big number of people and and the stigma associated with it you know. I think it's good to to keep in mind right. I mean gosh. I mean frankly. When you mentioned that shannon i was like yeah you know what wow this is definitely finally a problem and how can we be more sensitive toward that and speak to it more openly so that people don't stigmatizes is it as much and see that actually more people than you believe are actually going through these things yeah and every person who has it. They have a family who's right. There are with them so that that number just keeps growing the number of individuals who are impacted and then you take that further the community the number of police officers. There's that are impacted. The number of ers is it. Everyone in some ways touched by mental health issues so if we if we really go back to that that mirroring mirroring the story sharing then you'll see that it's really the wave of individual at the commonality actually now all yeah you know and the other thing that comes to mind as far as stigmas is the opioid crisis and i was at i was at ted med last year and i got a chance to sit down at the awesome. That's so okay. Remember the surgeon general who it was amazing that he talked about his brother and focused and shannon. You know maybe you could tell the story but he shared a very personal story. Ory was impactful. Tell them i can't remember the whole no problem. I dive into it too. That's fine so going to the opioid epidemic. The surgeon general got up there and said this is more normal than you think. My brother is in jail and my brother abused abused heroin and he talked about how he took his kids to visit his brother because guess what he's not ashamed and it's something that needs to be more normalized so that people can learn and understand that this happens to a lot of people and you're not alone in fact. He got up there and talked about this very personal. Thayn thing was amazing to me and i think the same thing can happen for mental health. What are your thoughts. Oh definitely unfortunately people find it a little bit easier to talk about drug and alcohol abuse openly gotcha kennedy the big examples somebody who's been very open about his past and people aw pretty open about talking about suicide and suicide attempts but they shut down when it comes to and they will somewhat talk about on society and a little bit but they're very hard to talk about bipolar or schizophrenia major depression major anxiety sort of issues so there's just this pocket that affects both you know really opioid crisis and <hes> suicide and to our nation and yet we don't talk about it nearly as much and then affects much more people than both of those actually combined so that's very frustrating to me. Is that the there's it's like treating meeting treating the symptom but the cause yeah and that that's exactly what we're doing. We're talking about kind of the intimate issue high use of drugs. She was great. It's not the underlying causes of either yeah and there's different stigmas so like i had one of my staff they he has drug into psychosis so diagnosis awesome but it has way higher stigma than drug usage so he would just say i've drug induced psychosis to make it type thing which truly i don't care what you call it as long as you've you're living the life that you want and you're getting the help that you need to live at life but that really shows stigma nine a big way and a really a big way and i think you know i'm glad we're having this conversation shannon because the you know for everybody listening sure you could think of somebody in your life i mean i could think think of a few people in my life right that have struggled and frankly and until this point i haven't even thought about the stigma to the extent and that you've you've you've discussed it on so something to think about and really like the call to action. What's the call action here to people as it relates to the action call to action would be if you yourself having illicit having family member one start being more vulnerable women talk about. It's two more people because i guarantee that the person sitting next to you. I mean if you're in a room in a meeting today. You're sitting next to somebody who has a mental you just are and the more you talk about it more. It helps them. It helps everybody else around you. Because it'll lower stigma of it. I mean i tell people that iran i ran nami and they would take a step away from me the stuff back it's interesting because if you actually look at they did this research study that compared haired stigma from the nineteen fifties today and the only thing that i got better was that people today they know mental illness a real disorder and not assign a flu weakness which they thought in the making fifty however if they ask you today your child can marry somebody mental illness if your neighbor have him as illness. Your co workers have a missile this tranquil. All three of these things are happening. All those values actions went down from the nineteen fifty s study so what that really says is. I believe you have a true disorder that you. You're not making it up that it's not a sign of personal weakness so it's not your fault but you must maintain a hundred foot radius. Insure me at all. Try that that's how today so i'm gonna say shannon. Oh things are getting better like no. Actually they're not the way i am getting better. It's a little bit through social media because i do see more and more people talking about it there and she had people like lady gaga. I the principle eum <hes> or prince charles yeah then talking about it more now which is great as well need that but you yourself can even just be a little bit more vulnerable person sitting next view and a guaranteed by conversation at will help just that little bit great call to action shannon and super easy. That's something that all of us could do you so take note of that and follow through folks is just happens as a collective in and this is a great opportunity. Tell us about one of your her proudest moments shannon so it's kind of a hard one 'cause there's little ones two big ones. I think some of some of the onset. I've really enjoyed over the years. Were just a little kind of notes that i've gotten from people that we have served that. I've said that come up to me and said <hes> you know you. You've saved our family and there's nothing that can really top that knowing that you really help this family. That was struggling to stay together. You as you get to a better place. Some of the other moments is just when when i took over an emmy we we quadrupled in size so you know we are impacting a lot. More people fault than we were before which is great expanded to another county as well so those are author real problems and then i was able to really become the leader in hiring people with enough on this on people caught the cat work. There's you know stigma around that and i seventy five percent of my staff. <hes> had a seriousness and we're doing amazing work and supporting other people most of them. This was really big. Impacts impacts. It'd be a leader in that show that other people need to also walk your talk when it comes to mental health with great love that congratulations on doing that and just cannot leading by action not just by what you're saying within your organization yeah i live big believer that you you have to show it show that it can happen and then then preach about it love that and so what would you say. Today is is an exciting project. You're working on the the book was the biggest one could spell kind of had to be put on side by the book out and does so right now valid what we're doing. It's har- california's action actually one of the hardest stage to really works in but some of the tools that i had learned it nami i felt really could be done and more expensive way so what we are creating trading platform where both peer so people with methadone is will be coaches to other people illness as well family members and get paid. Hey so you know one of the highest rates of return so if you if you look at the the ability to recover from a mental illness employment is at the top of the list now that doesn't necessarily they mean that they want to or they can work forty hours a week so by but they have amazing wealth of experience and when i go back to trust their that conduit it's for that trust building activity between the patient and their medical provider as well so you know like we've talked about the interest of the melker okay prior biter has a short window of time and they have not been taught this the airing or working with that but appear coach can really help facilitate the tapes that bond of trust as well so not only will help the patient side but it will also really help the individuals that are working who also have mental the owners so i'm really excited about it. <hes> we're still working on the platform developments some new i facing and then there's a few other states rates that are just better suited to start than california fascinating idea in <hes> as far as the book where the listeners going to the able to pick it up. I thought it'd be available on amazon. The easiest place decorating custer doesn't it nowadays and what's the what's the title of it. It's called the forgotten survivors. The guy comes in you spend a lot of time. There obviously folks if you wanna learn more about this topic shannon's got the breadth and the depth of knowledge and experience so definitely pick that up go outcomes rocket dot health in the search bar type in shannon card. That's j. a. c. c. a. r. d. and you'll see the show notes for this podcast pop up as well as the link to her book getting close to the end here shannon. We're going to do the lightning round ready. Okay all right. What's the best way to improve. Mental health outcomes tsk. I think we've already discussed that a little bit so i'm just gonna go back to the whole listening marrying sharing stories. What's the biggest mistake or pitfall all to avoid <hes>. When are you starting new programs or services. Be sure to test your waters i so i always took a small amount of money coming from one program to showcase showcase it in another way or another system before i spend it more resources into it. I how do you stay relevant as an organization despite constant change you have to continuously be testing the waters for new programs so i one is up and running <hes> get another one started and make sure you're listening to the needs of the community that you're providing because they're neither shifting not just be everything else around you. What's one area of focus. The drives everything in your work work that customer need whatever that patient family needs is what's driving it and he's next to our our more on a personal note. What is your number. One health habit habit my number one health habit so i follow a fairly plant based diet which is helped us a lot yeah burnout. If you go back to bring out issues. You're going to have digestion issues. <hes> than that health issues so more plant based is easier on the stomach mother and what is your number one success habit. You have to be willing to talk so if you start. If you go to twist masters i had a friend. He told me every every time i went to a vet so i go to a lot of events but i'm much an introvert has a lotta leaders tend to be interested so he told me i had to meet three new people before i keep the down again. You have to be willing to expose yourself and get out there and then set a goal that way if you're an introvert like me you know once you hit that goal so you can feel like you're done. I like that. It's like a little game right y- you meet three new people before you sit down you know. Sometimes i just sit down yeah. I like that one. That would have helped me. Headman meet their followed in that role. That's a good one. I love it shannon great tip there for the listeners aside from the book that you've written. What book would you recommend listeners so i think the title is how to talk like ted. Cruz sure that's it and it is an excellent book so if you're a leader in any field and healthcare bill though you have to be able to talk and talk in a variety of different ways to variety different people have to be able to read them especially with mental health so they start shutting down. You have used different tactics. You know you can't be forceful in certain situations so i found the how to talk like ted was really good at giving advice in not just doing a ted talk but those small interactions with other people that you need to be part of your your organization great recommendation again folks good outcomes rocket that health in the search bar type in shannon j card and annual find the link to that book as well as hers and all the show notes before we conclude i'd love if you could just share a closing thought shannon and the best-placed places listeners could get in touch with you or learn more about your work yeah so since this podcast is is for leaders healthcare sale. They just wanted to share one thing that i i learned my m._b._a. Program i had this professor who was the only one who wasn't a p._h._d. N._b._a. but he had run multiple company and he was many many companies and he said to us to surround yourself by people who know what you do not and i have listened to that who teased so i've started three companies now in each one of them have made sure that i've had people who know what i don't know around me. Help build a more successful company. It's great piece of advice ice and i think izzy consider some of the work being done in health care a lot of it is physical care and so the call out there would be surround yourself with people that no mental health and we'll be able to do together for patients. What's the best way for our listeners to get in touch with you or follow you so the best way is everything is my name so my website is shannon your car. It's j. a._c._c. a._a._r._p. Dot com i'm on instagram twitter and facebook and they're also just lincoln actually they're also at shannon card but everything is really simple and my email mellish shannon at shannon gerard dot com awesome. That's easy to remember yes. If you know my name you can find me love. It love it. Shannon in jakarta again folks <unk> j. c. c. a. r. d. and you'll be able to find that on the show notes as well shannon. This has been a pleasure really appreciate appreciate you. Shining the light on mental health. The call to action folks is very simple. Listen mirror and share and start now. Maybe after oh you press stop on this podcast. Go do that with somebody that you're gonna go see but big. Thanks for your time shannon and really appreciate you taking the time to do this. Oh yeah trannywood it. Thanks for listening to the outcomes rocket podcast be sure to visit us on the web at w._w._w. You w w dot outcomes rock dot com for the show notes resources inspiration and so much more.

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WWHL @ Home: Shannon Storms Beador & Heather Gay

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WWHL @ Home: Shannon Storms Beador & Heather Gay

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She complained about kelly to everyone in their nephew. And if she texts you two thumbs up. That's an f you watch. what happens. Live with shannon store door and heather. Now everybody everybody. Welcome to watch. Whatever drive. I'm your host. Andy cohen in the bravo. Clubhouse were good. Time are always welcome. I'm feeling frisk gay tonight. My i guess did not let kelly water allegations. Roll like water off a duff's backs ducks back. Please welcome real housewives. Morris county shannon storms madore. His shannon looking great. Thank you andy. And she says just like my pioneer ancestors i'm trying to blaze the new trail. And honestly she had me a blaze. Say hi to real housewives from salt lake city. Heather gay other. Yeah there you go. Hey is blazing legal in utah and if you have a medical marijuana card when you can get out maser thank you yeah. She's a housewife. She knows how to plug or stuff by the way. We're coming off another great episode of of salt lake city. What is the last week. Been like for you heather. You're you're famous now. yeah well. I'm famous. Which i've always felt like i should have been no. It's been exciting and cool and salt. Lake city is a small town so people are excited and coming out from you know the corners of the world that i have talked to in years. We remember you heather shelby. We don't remember her bet. Piston youtube. I there's a lot of people in salt lake. Who are pissed about the show to write. Data were pissed. But you know not happy there. You go shannon. I was telling you before the show. I am so excited next week. Which is the night before thanksgiving. We have a little thanksgiving treat for all of you. Courtesy of shannon storms madore man. I've never seen shannon drunker. Funnier than she is in next week's episode at the at the at bronwyn reception. It's do you remember any of it. Shannon yeah actually do parts. I do remember the end. But is it worse than mexico It's on par. It's really funny. I laughed out loud a lot. It's really really funny. We have some questions angela. Wants to know shannon. You agree with your daughter. Sophie that you need someone to support you emotionally and financially. Do you agree that. John is up to the task. We got this a she. She said that. In a confessional. Last week right right you know i. I think that you know they want someone to be my financial eat well and they also want someone there to support me in. John is that i mean he. I were still together and we're still committed in happy so all right Kids have kids have issues sometimes with your significant other so they were having an issue right. How do they feel about your significant other. We don't really talk about it much. smarter mary. Right right heather colin. Kay wants to know how you reacted. When you saw seth and meredith talking about separation. Did you know at the time. You were filming. That they were separated found out in the middle of filming that they were separated. And i'm a huge death mark. I think he is very very funny. He's very very transparent. And i love the dynamic between the two so watching him just you know. Work it out with her at dinner. I was glued to the screen. I loved it. Well if you've already binged the crown that are still looking for royal fixed look no further than how there because she was once married to mormon royalty so an ungodly amount of questions about her past life. So your ex husband's grandfather was howard hughes's driver. Why was howard hughes in utah. And why did you refer to him. As howard huge uses henchmen that will just. I don't even actually know what that word means but it seemed to fit but he was just a young college kid working at capitol records. I think in la where he lived and somebody recommended him for the job because he was clean living mart. A literature major brilliant man that was gonna be loyal and honest and true and and what he got hired he started bringing in all. The mormons was there of vetting process. Before you married your axiom. He must have been considered a huge catch in the community. He was a huge cat in the community. But i thought i was too time. I'm sure there wasn't anybody. There wasn't really any betting they're wonderful. Kind people aged funded. There's to be happy. Is divorced possible in the mormon church or once you decide to divorce. Your excommunicated with was your ex-husband also excommunicated now and. I'm not excommunicated. Yet either you can get divorced civilly in the mormon church and you can even get divorced religiously in the merman church but you have to have another man to get you back into heavens. I have a feeling that by the time we shoot the reunion. You might be excommunicated. What was the biggest change tumor lifestyle. Once you've got divorced. Never got out of bed so that would be the biggest game. Would i mean no. I i did get out of bed. I had to keep the france up. So i was like. I was uber. Mom for you know a couple of years until it caught up with me. What do you mean you had to keep the front up. My kids to know anything and i didn't want our community to know anything so i just showed up and just put on a smile and it's really you know. Nobody noticed for about a year that had moved out. I want you to clear up. Maybe the most ignorant or misinformed reaction that people have towards mormonism or the question that you get that you want to clear up. Well i think probably the first episode is just like i love black men and there's a lot of wonderful warm and then you are going to look for a target rich opportunity for black men. You don't go to the mormon church because in salt lake city we're not divert is going by you. Heard from your ex-husband. Since the show premiered i mean i see him. You know three or four times a week so yeah. How'd that go. You know. I'm not i. I'm already like burden. Andy shaming over me. All beside you know. This is how he wants the mother of a children to enough okay. We will leave it there. It takes nearly ten hours to drive from salt lake city to orange county. But you're about to see my guests changing places faster than john. Shaw can change into a leopard skin ones. E it's time for a housewives swap. I want your perspectives on the drama. In each other's shows shannon. How would you handle a member of your friend. Group being married to her step grandfather Is that something that you would address her. Ignore or is it not odd because they're not related by blood. I mean i think it's it's an interesting scenario. i would probably use. My judge is but i wouldn't. I wouldn't say anything. I mean to each his own other shannon has said that vow renewals are can be a curse for marriage job. Your cousin whitney had a vow renewal. What's your what's your stance and hoping. She changes the curse. He breaks the pattern because a lot of more than girls to get married so young with not knowing anything and we really want the love wedding not just the arrange wedding the way shannon. Interestingly enough you said that on the show and then bronwyn Is having some issues in her relationship. So that's that's actually kind of wild. I never thought about that. Right shannon. What would you do if someone you said. You had a long hip three history with pulled in. I don't know or on you ch- of course remembered me. Forget me heather. Would you ever criticize the size of someone's house or is the word 'sad and your vocabulary well first of all stabbed in not i've been not about how like i i get it. I would say that yeah. I'm annoying shannon tonight. Shannon in the spirit of transparency significant other. Have the right to go through your phone. I mean i think it. I think you should have your own private things. But i'm an open book so take the phone. I have nothing to hide all right. Thank you very much for playing both of you shannon charlie age said. Why did you think jean. Anne elizabeth choosing not to drink vow. Renewal was taking it too far. I mean i didn't drink. When i went out to dinner with bronwyn when she told me that she was sober. I get that but you know when you're going away and it's like a festive thing. I i didn't you know. I think it's okay to have a drink in your room. Maybe stay tuned until next week's episode and see how that goes for shannon storms vidor are virtual audience as a few questions for my guests. Here's brandon with a question for shannon who. I have completely freaked out about next week's episode. Okay brandon what do you got hi shannon. Hi heather i chairman. So now that you've seen the footage. Do you still think that ron was being rude when she called johnson lemonade boy. I think that she has been a little bit plus third. Yeah i mean. I i actually do because she had met john multiple times. And you know we spent a lot of time with sean and win and with our cats. So she'd been to johns home and madame a lot of time. Oh okay it is what it is. It's it's it's nothing. it is what it is. Our hair is a question for heather. Hi heather so obsessed with you know you look so beautiful. My lord look at her dry out bell So have you know. Where the rumors about whitney being swinger started from. And do you think. Lisa was really trying to threaten whitney with those rumors Yeah like i had never heard them. Specifically about whitney. But there's kind of like an undercurrent in salt lake city about you know couples that go out. And aren't you know devout. They're probably swopping keys in a fishbowl. Somewhere but Yeah i think absolutely render. I think that is something that she just like. Threw down like i will i will. I will tell everyone that you you know to up husband shannon. Peter m said after seeing how excited. Emily got from un blocking or on instagram. Do you wish you to unblock ter- sooner. Of course. I had no idea that i'm so non tech so i'm not good with social media so i i would have unblock sterling time ago. Heather anthony d emailed us surprised at how gen and mary went after each other and watch what happens live last week. Are they still harboring resentment over. The hospital smell fight. Oh no no this month ago. We're on to new territory. I was not surprised at all. I thought it went smoother than anticipated shannon. Cynthia aids wants to know what was going through your mind when you watch the show back and saw the sexy moment between kellyanne wreck in bed. Would you ever shoot an intimate moment like that. And you know. That's kelly but i couldn't Nadine said how do you think mary's apology. Jan was genuine at all. Yeah i think. Tell me genuine i do. I don't i mean. I think that she said and mary says she wants to. And she moves on shannon. Emily v wants to know if you think kelly specifically brought her business partner to the wedding so they could confront you about your tincture. I think bronwyn has a relationship with amid knows them. You know it's possible okay. Well shannon has spent all season saying she'd never live when it comes to what she would do. I want her to be as crystal clear as the water brand that she's definitely not launching. Let's play would shannon do that. I'm gonna dame some shady in other housewives cities shannon be honest. And say if you would ever do each thing okay would you regularly critique your cast mates fashion choices possibly Would you send a friend thumbs up emoji as a subtle. You would you crash a friend's wig event with the drumline promoting your own hair care line. That was ballsy administered. No would you cut one of your housemates out of your company photo. Shoot if you didn't like our pictures came out. No would you make all of your girlfriends pitch into buy your purse for your birthday crap. Okay last up what you tell. Everyone has troubles intermarriage. After she let that slip while she was wasted no last up. Would you yell. Bravo bravo bravo. Wanted them to cut. The cameras. had my own things that i would say but would you say i know. But we always err it when you say. I'm done okay. Thanks for playing tonight. Heather was accused of using a thumbs up emoji when she really meant to use the middle finger. Wind and since during a drama gives us all a metaphorical eggplant. It's time for heather to play between you and emoji. I'm going to mention some moments from salt lake city. Pick your response from the following emojis. I roll face angry. face hard is face clown face. Vomit face and eggplants and poop because we are classy like that which emoji would use them response to marry asserting that jen smelled like hospital when she was fresh from an emotional visit to one. Which emoji would you use in response to. Lisa threatening to reveal a rumor about whitney because she was on happy with an offended by your behavior angry which emoji is the correct response to jen making a grand entrance to the party. She was in theory. Throwing for meredith. Heart is heart is president entrance. How would you respond via emoji. The lisa's somewhat aggressive apology. The un whitney found days Which i like it. She's using all these emojis. Which emoji would you use in response to jen. Hiking up a snowy driveway. In stiletto heels heart is of way heart is the players in the snow. Which emoji would you use in response to marry. The son brooks not knowing who prince was angry. Yes man how would you respond emoji. Degen's shirtless party waiters. A plan last. How would you respond emoji to. Whitney's triple bowl moves after her vow renewal dad'll eggplant. I was losing my mind. Mazing cap from boston said shannon. Why can't you admit you said gina's house was small and said your face said it all while gina was showing you around the house. I came home and he told john how proud i was. She was an owner of property owner. So you know it's a dumb thing. And if i started on wooded owned it but it really irritates me when people say. Where's my mouth at intake now. The lead g emailed heather do regret sending lisa. The thumbs up emojis since it caused so much drama. Why didn't you just tell her to her. Face that it was a big f you instead of saving that. For your confessional. I regret it because the blowback has been so intensively and she denied knowing me. Because i spend a thumbs up and like what is really saying like bitch. I'm reading the room. I know you've been saying. Don't you know what i mean like. Just don't play. i regret it. I regret hadn't done it shannon jordan k. Said what did you think of bronwyn saying that. Your tequila party was a big futa her after she accused you of line. I mean i plan to party before. I even knew that she was sober. So you know. I gotta have cocktails at my house forming party. I wasn't thinking of at all. And i'm sorry product for still for her sobriety but i'm not gonna plan a whole party around her all right. Well it is time. Don't be mad at me. I just asked the question. It's time for this day in bravo story okay. On this day in two thousand twelve favor parks gave us the legal definition of a donkey. Booty while kenya refuse to let porsche defined her in any way watch this donkey. Booties just a nice farm round behind. I'll stuff where you can get your little curved up and shape right without swin like you run a mantha. Miss america nineteen ninety s usa. I'm sorry we have this saying here. How do you get that wrong. All england mixed don't go behind. Isn't that in the search engine. All it's not even in the search engine it so all that was porsche's first episode. Everybody she really came in hot. I wanna make shannon and other bigger tomorrow night. We got allison brie and michael j. fox head on over to twitter now for our after show. Thanks you too. That was really fun. Thank you this. Holiday season is going to look different for most but it can help but feel brighter in a world of mass production. I love to shop oetzi for gifts that are truly unique gifts that i can't find anywhere else from creative handmade pieces to one of a kind vintage to things that are personalized just for the people. I'm gifting them to go to see dot com slash gifts to shop meaningful gifts for the people. You love this holiday season. That's f. e. dot com slash gifts. We are back with shannon's stores to door from the real housewives of orange county and salt lake city. Heather busy from signal hill. California wants to know if any of your friends are friends with the osmond's parents are in Will osmond lane is in. my parents. Were which is like the parish that When my mom's now in my dad passed away but like my parents. Yeah kind of like that makes me excited. Shannon gloria are winston daughters. Went to your axes wedding now. And i think they just got married at the courthouse. But they're going to do something later on. I'm not sure but no my kids were Shannon dc. Sonic gamer wants to know your reaction abroad win throwing the glass at your party. A little surprise. Heather asics see said if mary invited you to her church. Would you go absolutely hundred percent about hesitation shannon summer age. Wants to know if you agree with emily and gina that elizabeth's relationship with jimmy is weird. Do you think they should just mind their own business. I mean i think it's a little strange because they've been together for quite some time. How their abigail d. set in honor of mary's loofah dress who was the best and worst dressed at meredith's birthday party. I love gems dress. I loved it and I'm i'm gonna get myself worse. Man you know might bell kept snagging my jewelry and my death and it was. It wasn't happening. So i'm gonna go best genworth me. Shannon alison p. Wants to know if you think. It was insensitive of kelly immediately bronwyn. She brought tequila palm springs. I did. I mean i. I had the boy take it. You know so that. I wouldn't be walking through the lobby with it. There's a bit match lay from hollywood said. Lisa's been coming after you on social media saying you're a liar but you seem so open and honest about everything. Are you lying about your relationship with lease or is she. Gas lighting everyone. I've known of lisa barlow for twenty years. And she's not my memory keeper so i'm not lying There you go all right. She's not her memory. Keeper folks shannon storms. Vidor and heather gay can be seen on the house and salt lake city. Thanks audience thank you for more. Click around bravo. Tv dot com. Thanks for listening to the podcast. 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685: "On the Phone" - SDR parody of Les Mis - Shannon Selis

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685: "On the Phone" - SDR parody of Les Mis - Shannon Selis

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Michael Shannon with Jason Narducy

Talkhouse Podcast

56:35 min | 1 year ago

Michael Shannon with Jason Narducy

"Hi this is Keri Brownstein Stupor Mrs Dr Al.. You've got the Lizard right here. Is Me Down Right here. Thanks to Tyler. Trucco quest for at arm's Tim Brits all of your yourself mice. Thank you and you're listening to the talk house podcast and what is up. I'm your host Elliott Einhorn. Welcome back to the topic House podcast. We have some fantastic artists on. Today's show you ready for this. This you ready Michael Shannon in conversation with Jason. Nar Ducey to help me introduce this week's show. I am very pleased to welcome back to the talk walkout. Podcast the man here in studio with me. Talk House film editor and Chief Nick Dawson. Thank you president here correct an end Chicago Talk has executive editor Josh Modell. Hello thank you for phoning me up today as Usual Josh. Tell us how this talk came together. Men I'd be happy to so the impetus for for today's conversation. Strangely is a musical. But it's a musical about a punk rock band formed by Jason. RDC who some of our listeners will probably know from superchunk and Bob Mould Band. Dan and his own band split single punk band when he was eleven years old called verboten. He was approached by fellow. Chicagoan about turning his young life story into a play and over the last five years he and some very talented people from the House Theater of Chicago. I have been working on turning into musical and it just opened and it's fantastic. I saw with my wife and son a couple of weeks ago. It's playing through March eighth at the Chopin Theatre. The songs are great. The story is great and led to this conversation with Jason and his friend Michael Shannon who is no stranger to Chicago theatre himself now. Jason formed the band verboten when he was just eleven. Eleven years old and the pictures are amazing. This these cute kids just ready to rip it up. Will you won't believe this Josh. But they're basis Chris. Keene became my high school homeroom teacher. He was Mr Keane who had told told me he played in a band as a teenager and opened. If I remember this correctly for like Metallica or something but it was no big deal. He said of course it did become a big deal. Though in part due to Dave grow. That's right the spark for the play came from the House theaters David nephew. Who saw an episode of Dave Grohl Sonic Highways on HBO? Yeah this was Dave's documentary series about music now. One of Dave Grohl 's biggest musical influences weirdly was verboten. His cousin Tracy was the singer Bolton and when I was a kid he came and visited Chicago he saw them rehearse and it made him think I can do punk rock so verboten is not just the the funny story of these kids in Evanston Illinois. It's also the story of the spark of Dave Grohl. Weirdly to mazing at Josh. Thank you so much for sending us these all some clips of the infants infants of verboten rocking. He has fantastic so they just found their original demo tape One copy of their original demo tape. Nobody had it And then jason and pressed up five hundred copies on vinyl kind of to celebrate the opening of the play from that seven inch here is a very young Jason introducing one of their tracks. Check it out Jason. Or the tariffs verboten. This next song is called. Leave me alone and it sounds exactly like this sliding folks attachment seem depressing I mean these kids fucking rocked. My right they certainly did somebody else. You rocks in so many different ways is the man talking to to Jason or DC. Today Michael Shannon. All of us at Kaiser are huge Michael Shannon Fans Adam very cool to have him on the show and he's like Info Michael Shannon mode I didn't know what to expect nick. He's such a chameleon actor but he is a Chicago Guy Turns out. Oh Yeah Oh yeah to the Max. Our producer mark and I grew up in Chicago as regular listeners. Will know we've talked about this before but mark worked at a record store. See here just around the corner from Michael's theater and would see him in. They're by an records all the time of able man of the people and a big music fan. which is how we come to having these two guys together? They're old friends and they met because because they were in a cover band together that was put together by Robbie. Folks who coincidentally has written some articles for Talk House yet and Michael has his own band as well. He's the cigarette songwriter writer in corporal. Let your clip their track sick person to speak you too Paul lovely track and he's a great musician as as well he really is but of course he's best known for his amazing acting chops. Most recently I got to catch him in knives out which was absolutely delightful. That was the Ryan Johnson Film. Show friend of the show. Yeah no that's that's an awesome movie and is funny. I I think the first time that I really became wherever you want. I have a really big role all was in shotgun stories which is a Jeff Nichols first movie and of course Michael and Jeff of work together on almost every movie the Jeff has ever made and it's funny because like the time I was like got this guy it looks really like Richard Kiel. He didn't play jaws in the James Bond movie with you know he's yet to make a Richard Kiel by opaque but he's he developed into this. That's incredible As you say to communiqu actor and he said a perfectly straddles the worlds of of studio movies of Hollywood movies and independent film TV and also a theater sure and he's just like all over the map in such an interesting way from as he said like knives are the man of steel to shape water to all the movies. Jeff Nichols He's a bad boys two nick. You touched on this quickly. He is a very respected stage actor. He Co founded a Red Orchid Theatre Chicago. He's appeared at step in Wolf on the west end in London. undenied off Broadway in New York. This guy does it all in their conversation here. Michael and Jason Cover a lot. Of course we hear all about the genesis Of the show verboten. But so much more we hear about how they met. Because of an obscure Lou Reed record the great evolution of musicals Michael Talks about the dirty laundry and Chicago's theater world who aired some fantastic Chrissie hinde stories and also stories of Michael Working on knives and the Great Chicago. Debate is is cheap. Trick the best band or merely one of the best show roller tape. Let's roll the tape Mike. Hi John I told her. I told you this would be challenging to sure beats walking around on the sidewalk right. Well not really Hi Jason I think probably three or four times that we've we've hung out. I've started to say something and you said hold it. Save it for the PODCAST. Yeah why I knew it was all kind of in coming to this and and here we are hiring. Yeah and now. I can't think of anything to talk about. Well what's your full name. Chase chase him but how you say your last name are in a lot of people say nor do they do. And how do you feel about the Well originally it was. CCI See I got changed I think three generations ago my great great grandfather had a hard time finding work in America. Anarchist I he was Italian. I know was the unanimous. No okay but they They're prejudiced at the time. So it's pretty odd that you could just change it to see why line get work but snuck and there aren't many of us so there's the see why there's it's easy to Google my name and get right down to it. Have you ever thought about changing a bank. No such a Mutt now. I don't I don't even look at talion got German and English Irish and the Middle American. Even I can see that alone. Native American dances. James is a podcast. No one else can when I can see it I guess no one mispronouncing your name. Michael Shannon know. Who does that no? That's that's how it's pronounced really nobody ever French interesting about ninety eight percent French. You're making this up really really wasn't one in the middle of them. Know that would be Ray Yeah I guess that's the way it should be known. Sorry I know it is. It's Michael Shannon catch out of the bag. That's WHO's target yeah So how how do we know each other through Robbie Fox rb folks used to have his Monday night hideout shows where he would come up with a new music theme and he wanted to do a Lou reed record and asked you to sing and asked me to play bass which triggered the weird one. You can't remember blue mask very good. Nobody knows their record. No I didn't know that record before Yasmin Replay I. I was confused because I'd seen Robbie do that. Show and he each free good singing himself so Ramzan why he wanted me to do it. Yeah he's infuriatingly talented and very tall. You're both very tall. He's taller than me because he he's kind unlike reed richards from fantastic. That's not imagine I'm just reaching his hands out over the tying where I'm seeing Rodney in a long time he moved to La. That's such a good idea. L. A.'s great speaking speaking of L. A.. Jesus Christ I'm still in shock about this whole In this crash Kobe. Yeah it's so devastating and he was with his daughter. Yeah and eight other people I seven other people or something but they seemed very close. I mean you only have the pictures pictures go Mima. He seemed very close. And you have a young daughter that you're very close. We're all EVA. She was at the performance. I attended of your new musical verboten. Yes she's calmer bone. Yeah thanks for coming to that and coming to Get Pizza beforehand. Yeah well that was That was some spicy pizza. But that's how I race BEATS UNNOTICED CO owned by Mr Rick Nielsen from cheap trick. Only more than one of your idols believe title idle. Yeah you loved the jeep drink. I loved you track. We've kind of gotten in this one for. I'm not sure I get it. The cheap trick me but it's it's right the once their best song. ooh He's a Hor. He's a whore. I'll check it out. No wait on. Top of the World tabloid no way. There's too many to Ms. I love them but yeah thanks for coming over boat and that's Going through this process and having seen so many of plays that you've been in or directed here in Chicago Red Orchid. I have so many questions about the the process that you enjoy the most Outta do place. Yeah well we can get the dead. It's interesting because you You glad with Brett nephew wrote the I think you call it the book right like then descript scripted parts of the scenes and then you wrote all the music and all the lyrics and this is based on abandoned. You had when you were young uh-huh but the songs are new songs right. There's one original for boating song in the play now which one is it Near the end I think I wanNA give it away but I think the screen draw a I gotta say there's a song in the show that I just cannot get out of my head stuck in my head. It's actually refrain comes back Getting again in his. You know about Ye You belong So you wrote that yet. That's so I think there's twenty songs that I wrote for the musical and three of them. The music melody were from songs that I had previously written and and that's one of them that is a song and this is admit a number of poor career choices and one of my poor decisions was to name one of my bands hands when I was in my twenties virgo which isn't just to close. verboten yeah I was I was Gonna ask you about yeah. It's very confusing But I think he did that. Well we were called skinny which that was a good name because Allison and I together wet probably would a buck fifty at the time. You don't have that problem anymore. Thank you thank you saw those fears at the L Haas. allison was the cellist and Virgo and We were called skinny any and that name was used by artists in Europe and we couldn't get the trademark or whatever couldn't get the copyright so someone can copyright whatever it is. Yeah I guess there's a musical group that had that name in Europe and conflicted skinny puppy no. I wasn't skinny puppy. I thought that would be the problem. But that wasn't the one. So then you had to switch yeah So then was Bourbeau the second no. I don't even remember what other choices. BIG MAC trying to get some legal trouble. Yeah yeah they didn't like that. I don't know why so V. WE ARE B O is the Spanish word for action verb to take action and then we added the W at the end as a reference to the the strings to cello cello rock band so totally unconnected everybody probably ask you. Why friends did because when that Bam no one was talking about voting it was to suspend I had when I was a kid? There wasn't until much later when there's a documentary about Chicago punk rock called you. Aren't there air that covered verboten and then girls sonic highways on. Hbo Brought Back Into the Light. And that's what Brett saw an inspired him to write the so he reached out to you after after we sorta the Adenoma but our daughter is winter. Our kids went to the same same Juvie home grades. Grade School You're both Evan Stones and Tony. Yeah how you said Evanston eons. Yeah Yeah but that song and thank you for for for mentioning that I like that song too. But that's it's very haunting. It's very powerful. I keep trying to figure it out like just seems to have have a tremendous amount of longing in it and you hear a lot of music that seems to have a lot of longing ended or seems to be attempting to have a lot of long the ended but it's just kind of overbearing or you know sappy whatever it is. There's a very genuine. I don't know it seems like get has a piece of you and somehow which is a very mysterious ting with music is at the end of the day. It's just notes and sounds. Yeah Uh but you can put yourself in their yes. Yeah that one was originally written for my wife Emily. James called crust of Mary From and When Brett wrote the script at the end of every scene he would list a few songs that had the tone that he I thought maybe would be appropriate for that scene and he had this song by the jam? I WANNA say it's called desert rose or something like that but it's an acoustic song and I thought I really have a song. That's sounds got this kind of tone to it and I changed the lyrics and submitted it and they were very happy with that and then I used it again as he says in the blaze four. Why not yeah I mean if you get some yeah and it makes sense that it keeps returning turning is interesting to see when he comes back in different scenes and even different people singing right We feel like that's some that's A. That's a tool that you see in musicals. Their return refrain marriage calm. Yeah I don't know what it's called called either my first musical now when you say you submitted it it sounds like divert like a board of like to start the poor choice of words because they nothing was rejected right INBRED rate were director. Alan you hate the now over the House theater issue related to the eating out. I don't think so and he runs the House theater a house theater and I'm assuming I do most people listening to this in Chicago. Would they know what that is. Are there people in the Marshall Islands. Listening to the. He's listening to this Josh. Everyone everywhere else. So maybe we're worldwide okay. So it's a house theater in Chicago. Gago yeah and they've been on quite a run for a number of years you know it's it's such a personal story and Bread I thought bread did a great job of cashing the spirit of the band and while also taking some poetic license and embellishments so you know what's tricky because it's it's your story and in your Fella bandmates story and bread was not like you said was not around on Ben during this part of your life so there must've been some Trust from you in terms of saying okay bread I mean how did you start off. Did you sit him down. Say So. Here's what happened. He interviewed all of us. Interviewed each member And and and then he'd come back to me and ask more questions and I would ask them questions. I don't remember everything exactly. I was so young and then he really took you know he'd. It took some other turns that were not exactly what happened. And that's why we call it fictional characters based on real events but He's just such a talented wanted and efficient writer. You know just the simplicity. That just cuts right to it. He I felt that when I was watching urging it was very didn't even really seem like scripted dialogue. We just seem like these families Dealing with each other There's nothing more annoying. When you go plane you can see the play rights and you know yeah you really want to get lost in it and unfortunately that involves accepting the fact that the your best artistry is probably going to be invisible? That's not something anybody's going to notice but they might feel. It has the best you can do. Yeah they might feel. Yeah so but did you make it clear to Brett at the outset beyond these interviews news that you had something you wanted to say or that you wanted to make sure no that was not that way now no. He did so many rewrite that I want to say I mean I wouldn't even know we've been working on for five years so I think there were three times when I thought it. It's not going to happen why it felt like it lost momentum after you know we would do like a usually did a read through every summer and they'd bring in different different actors. One time I brought in a band and we did it and we played the songs in sequence along with the read through and a a couple of times it just Kinda lost momentum and I have to give Brad and Nathan Credit for picking up off the floor and and and being diligent about it. I I think I was scared. I was scared of it. You know in the lower levels emotionally and it's just such a massive undertaking. I mean this this is something something again that you've been working in this world for a long time but I keep turning when I'm at the theater I keep turning going. Oh yeah here's this other person that makes assist thing work there's a large crew and the cast is eleven people and there's just an incredible process and and I'm used to like playing a trio or look over at the guitarist and nod to the drummer. And that's it. You know maybe a couple forget the sound crew guys. Thank you Mike. The all important sound very important tour manager. Now I know what you mean though it's And I suppose pose particularly if what you're watching is about kind of about you did. That's particularly moving Z.. All these people making an effort for to make yours in your bandmates story available to the general public well and even more moving than that is that there are making their own the day care about it. I sense from them. That their time in their efforts and their focus is because they feel a piece of it and they want it to be good not to try. Try to make me feel good or anything but beyond feeling a sense of gratitude for all those people what is the experience of of watching the show Like for you and I say that knowing that there's probably more than one answer that question and you've seen it a lot because you just open in number and a Lotta previews probably thought a lot of different things but I was spying. I knew a little bit while I was watching the show. 'cause you were it just down the aisle from me and you had a pretty serious look on your face and I was thinking. I wonder what he's feeling right now. Are you being hyper critical or are you able to just relax and let it. Does it stir you know is a arctic. What is what's going on a lot? There's a lot going on. It's mostly. I'm not an anxious person. I feel anxiety sitting in that show for its weird to write right songs and just handed off to other musicians and especially in that setting where they're acting and there's moving parts in there grabbing guitar off the wall and they're putting a capable on and they're grabbing sticks sticks and they're moving these instruments over here and it's not like a rock show where you just have the guitar on a play that Guitar I'm so concerned about something. Not Working or coming unplugged or it's live theater. It's like there's to that end. Yeah was there's something going on with the pig up on the base any game the end of the show. Oh so my friend. Tim Remis plays the character. Gerald turned up which I was really the excited about music before that I noticed when some of the other people were playing the bass that some notes they would hit night here it and then sometimes they are one year. It's one of the efforts was to have the instruments be period correct We're not completely there air. But that base is nine hundred seventy four that could have been a verboten base and there are certain characteristics. Today's that you're ah you're battling a little bit I'm glad you mentioned that because I think we could maybe put some compression on it and even at out a little bit and I'll mention that the sound guy because I'm going to say to the the D. and the East D and The g strings. Go Away sometimes. Yeah what sorry Kua base really. And there's three or four different people playing that instrument. Yeah so that's kind of verboten. Generally you slept in a foreign word NGO so like with Nathan. What qualifies Nate in new to direct? The show does she have any history in this arena. Lena yeah he's directed he's also artistic director for the House. But I mean terms Iraq and roll. Does he have any rational cred. He's a music. Fan Iraq. Music is a fan A lot of the bands that he I think he's a little bit younger than me. So Hughes more of a gay not that ban specifically but nineties Iraq yet nineties pop punk is more of his thing. These young punks. Yeah they don't they don't know about cheap trick so I can give you are but that's it they're like Illinois gotch cheap trick. They were my first concert. My my dad took me to see them when I was ten. which is that stories in the play? I know that's an accurate. That's an accurate one. Sounds like you dad. Your relationship with your dad was pretty complicated complicates. Yeah it was it was. Because you know in the play it's it's there's not as much nuance as what existed. There's only the time restraints of play. You can't go through everything but yeah. He took me to see a lot of concerts. But so Natan said Nathan likes new kids on the blog and stuff so why does how how did he did you did. He seem to understand the story Immediately you were how to tell this story. Yeah he did a great job of especially at the end and this is something I wanted to ask you about because the the preview process the rehearsals tech rehearsals around the previews were times ten intensity. As far as they came back to me they wanted a new song wrong. I wrote the Song Nathan wanted different lyrics for three different songs. Not Not all of them but you know right here you mentioned the You belong to. I belong theme The original second version was tracy singing. Do I belong. After she'd earlier told Jason You belong and that was a two verse to Chorus Song. Just Sung by the Tracy. Character by Christie's and Nathan said I would like like crystal to sing the first verse and then to hear from her parents for the second verse so those lyrics were written you know a week ago and those are the ones ones that are you know. I don't know if you remember that moment. But that's a Lotta Lotta tears in that It's an intense moment and someone Natan says says I do you do you just go. Yes Sir right away Sir you like wait a minute I say wh- new kids on the block. Do you got the right stuff. Yes you're only laughing because you know one of your sisters for thirteen years younger than me. So yeah I do. I do well he would explain it he would say like we understand. Were Tracy's coming from here but we haven't heard what her parents have to say. Here got it. You know it was. It was very healthy and then the song is called the set me free but in the scene where Jason and Jason's dad come to blows loves Nathan said when Jason Gets cornered like that the verse before his Dad's things is not intense enough. or where can you go with that to push him over over the brink and I rewrote that and then The first Song New Song was three verses of the same lyrics over and over. which is my homage to to Bob Mall? He has. Who's going to have a song called New Day rising which is three chords in three words the whole all song so I wrote this song called New Song which was three chords and the same repetitive thing? That's the first song of the play. He wanted to know more about chase them on the outside so I wrote to versus for that. I mean I wasn't I wasn't upset or but I just part of me was just like really we're GonNa just give these actors these lyrics now and they're going to perform it in front of an audience tomorrow. That was incredible to experience. It may did it Yeah how many times were you involved with a production where there was drastic changes right before it opened not too often. No I mean I worked on news of. I guess that's right. It has to be a new thing. I can't be something already exist. You can't do that him. Why people cut Shakespeare and stuff but the yeah usually has to be something no other song the song? I think that you write about your dad. I'll Qadam houses started the one you look at your eyes full of resentment woodmen Broken home yeah. Broken home medicine. Yeah that's also very proper so it's interesting because I as we were talking about before I was pretty intimidated by this project. Because you know Brad said let's make a musical and you'll write the music and then thinking I've never done anything like that before but once I went down in my basement and started to kind of dig in. I realized a weight I get to write all the punk rock songs that verboten would have liked to have played. Yeah I have more experience now and and a song like broken home. I could point to you the different songs by a Chicago. Oh Ben called articles of faith that inspired that song rhythmically and just the kind of angular tension of that song is very articles of faith and at one point. The verboten in the musical plays that song slower. And when you slow down those punk rock songs it sounds like Nirvana near fire which is funny to me. Because that's not where I was coming from but it's an interesting study of the evolution of that style. Ms Music Year grunge in crunch yeah so grunge punk slowed down a lot of it. Yeah Nevada go pretty fast they turn. Yeah Yeah I like did talk negative creep. I liked it. So what are you GonNa do these songs. Are you going to do like a cast recording. I would love to. I would love to have that opportunity. I mean you know some people you could probably gas. I know the Kennel. But like a studio time Chicago Studio we're over. NOGGIN AGAN recording this. Don't know somewhere professional. I like how you're on the recording now producing well. We'll get a Albany Albany as Lewis. You're close So this could potentially run for a while or is it limited engagements or it's six weeks and You know if it does well. I would hope that they would think about doing another. What do they call that extension run? Yeah production move it Broadway. Relaunch relaunch yeah. Sure you know I like I like your spirit. Yeah definitely I just saw you know what I just saw. You know what I just saw. I just saw jagged little pill. How was that? It's fantastic. I went to see that. And you know. I've seen a couple of other musicals. Recently there were supposed to be all the rage. I won't say what they are. Herb was actually much more impressed with the jagged. Little boy man you know and I remember when that album came out and being like those are actually actually really interesting sauce. She's got a great voice to. Oh my God what What is the story about is taking it songs and related to Family what used there's to me. There's a correlation. I guess is what I'm thinking because you see a family mother. Father served brothers sister. You know struggling with. They're all struggling with something. And is it a coming of age story. No you know who is written by his Diablo hello cody. She wrote Juno Awhile and yet she's a screenwriter. What else she way she wrote the movie? They're Shirley's as their own stuff anyway. You should Arab. I'd be interested for you to see that Here we thought because I want it's like a the next phase or something but there there are a few musicals. I observed people talk about like deer. Evan Hansen because musicals goals used to be like very fantastic goal. I mean there's one even called the fantastic's but now they're beginning more grounded in like real. Oh people real stories. Yeah things that actually happen now like you know the music man or something right. No offense did you. Did you see fun home Fontham. There's another great example thousand crowded there. You go yeah. Maybe that's the advent of it but I'm glad it's it's interesting to see and moving in that direction Yeah because I think it's I think it's smart because a lot of I find a lot of times when I go see musicals. What frustrates me about them? As I I can't relate to them In any way shape or form yeah they don't have any. There's no intersection intersection between my experience of life. And what I see in a musical so it's interesting when that changes you related to verboten on a certain level. Oh Yeah I mean look did my time up on the north side young. I was in Evanston when I was sixteen and and Gee I mean you guys were like had your shit together. Compared to me I was totally out of my mind. You took. Did you tell me that you once. Did you work at the FISHBOWL. The fish bowl the visual. Yeah so did Tracy from promoting. Oh really yeah we. We gotTA talk about that. Barb Barb I got fired. 'cause I got pissed off at that parrot. The parrot that was in there I got into an argument with the parent in front of customers. Really not bar but the other one her wife can't remember they said you gotta go note the note. Parrot arguments sucks men. Have you ever cleaned a fish tank. It doesn't smell good. Have you seriously cleaned fish. Yeah do you have one of those big ones but I can you imagine cleaning like thirty fish tanks just spending all day clean fish tanks. That's how often would they have to be cleaned when you got a lot of fishing there and it's a store so it can't be like get away with stuff at home. Yeah the he can get away with. If you're trying to sell the writer. They'll they need. They're trying to sell L.. The Fisher Your House. I know when you have people like it's five bucks but Yeah it was ADDS I had some. I had some north shore jobs when you were in that area was worked at homers did you really scooping ice cream. I got fired from there to the parrot era again. Why through a pickle at somebody a parrot no the guy who was behind fry the frying guy he said some smarten up to a big oil sliced pickle? Yeah and quartered. The lawn and quartered pickle. Was Mike Shannon. Have some anger issues the museum now. Now okay calm that. We've seen Grad we that was my nickname. My Serene Shannon Shannon shown on. That's the thing we I was I was actually talking to tracing out. This is like you don't realize when you're that age that the you feel you. Can the tendency is to feel kind of alone. You don't realize that people might be having similar issues. You look at other kids and think they must be so happy or something man. It's funny how they're all but that's what's beautiful by your show as you see these these. He's four kids bonding together through music. It's one of the great things about music I think is that it brings people together. I'm not necessarily in. Every instance amine brought us together but it did. And now we have two podcasts. Together yeah forever. What's this one called purgatory so But wait a second. Yeah on a more serious known have have the members of the band seen the show all except for drummer. And why hasn't he pico. He's not ready yet. I think he will be at some point but did other members Tracy and Scott Chris Chris Yeah how how do they feel they love it. I mean I'm so thankful that they were willing to go along with this thing where it's not completely accurate. You know Chris in the musical is drinking all the time. Kristen all the time still doesn't you know It was just what is that called straight. Edge he's not straight as but he's it just wasn't his thing and it's so cool that they were also able to let go of things and let it be told in a certain way and I and I think they all agree. That bread did a great job of capturing the spirit of the ban. which was you know there was turmoil at home? We found found each other. I mean it's not set in the musical but we're all still great friends and We're proud of this little thing that we did when we were kids and I noticed in lobby here that there's some records finally released a seven. Wow that's that's newly printed. Yeah yeah we had a cassette tape back in the day. Her Adam Jacobs the guy that records every concert in Chicago He he he found one person that I know that has an original. None of us still have have the original cassette but he found one and So we would just you know. Pass some around at school or sell them at shows and We thought well since this musicals coming out maybe we'll actually do this. So we did a limited five hundred piece from so two seven inch. How many songs does it have? Five has five songs on. Yeah Man. Yeah and you're going to sell them in the in the lobby at the theater are at the show. Yeah we haven't been line to online can we. You're asking too many questions me. Yeah this is a podcast. We're just like talking. I'm interviewing you. I guess so. I don't have anything to say nothing to say. I I really don't Also thinking about you know how much I want to John. Bolton testify defy That's what I'm thinking about. How about all of them while yeah? They should autism. I I just I'm really you know I'm I'm I have a hard time. Neither just being constantly in a state of dread that's why I'm grateful that things like podcast uncast itself. I believe but this sense of dread so we can talk about dread well but we avoided it for about. I don't I don't know forty minutes. Yeah and now. We're talking about it but yeah it's just really Insane and the speed of of of the news right now like whenever at this podcast comes out. They'll be like Bolton what new crime happened since we talked on the. Yeah well L.. But you say that but this is this is had real staying power Ya'll Ukraine thing. They're still claiming that there's no evidence. Hey good bold any who. I didn't want to drag it there. I prefer to think about your musical because it's really a very beautiful and moving and I hope everyone goes to see it. I think they will and now I was there the night before you kind of had to opening zero nine before and then the next night there is some special so people coming in night. The critics the critics here so special. Yeah did you watch from the back of the room. My wife wife. I'm Leon I sat at the back of the room. Did you watch the critics now. I couldn't see them but thankfully it was the best performance of the show to was it. Yeah yeah that sounds great to the last three have been really special without you know what you should do. You should have a party after every show and then the the next show even better. That was that was where we did. That was fun party. That's the key. Yeah so is everything weird. This is weird you and I hanging out without beers on our hands are out in like bend over in an alley is weird. Which one of us is earlier? Yeah no we won't. What's the rating on this podcast? It's just changed. I think it's a new rating. It's kind of like remember that movie. Heavy metal yes. It's like that you know who's on the heavy metal soundtrack. Mike too cheap trick. Well it's all oh come full circle and seems like a perfect ending. We have to talk a little bit about your plays here in Chicago. We do about me. Well I saw pilgrim's progress you're in that rhetoric. I saw victims of duty those rhetoric Oregon and then did you. Did you direct trader. He aigdirect WANNA breads. Plays trader based on an enemy of the people by Epson and trader was a modern retelling of that Yes said in Illinois and I directed it. I love that great. Now that's a reinterpretation of scripture. How much do you mess with that? How much dow is between bread and Epson really have much to do with? I say it was kind of weird weird how it came about because okay so this is I was at a Red Orchid theatre. which is ED fifteen thirty one Wall Street and Old Town Harder Chicago and I've been there's since the place opened and So as other fella named Guy Being swearing-in he actually started. And we're an ensemble so we have meetings things and we talk about what we WanNa do and guys said. I really think we should do enemy of the people because of you know the Times in which we live which we were talking about earlier and I said wow that sounds really boring. We shouldn't do that at all unless we do like. Maybe if like Brett road some them weird version of it then that would be fun And inbred kind of slack. Jawed and just googly ides daring Ami right like for hours worse. Well Yeah and then he said you know what I I I think I could do. That and I said Okay and then guy got mad. Because he's he. I really wanted to do the old one. You really bringing out the dirty laundry on this podcast aren't you. Yeah well I get to edit things. It's your your podcast. They're not here. They're giving it to me when I leave. Yes they'll get their day in court but He was very guy was very serious about. He's like this is serious and we need to do not a funny version but a series version and I was like it won't be that funny money. It'll just be kind of more weird and interesting and I think he was. Newspaper clippings was the father had like these paper paper. Clippings was a part of the a lot of stuff he smoked weed. Yeah that was a new thing. Yeah in the in the original ebbs and he didn't smoke weed In this in the modern telling yeah he was a high school science teacher in a dumpy little city. That was kind of failing wingin- depressed economically and Yeah but I don't want to go. I mean was lines at all. Yeah yeah he is making it is already right up to the voice. Oh in terms of changing line. Yeah yeah well that's the playwrights prerogative I mean we have a play on right now at Dr Theater. Do you feel anger which is fantastic. I just saw yesterday and this is a place you've been produced twice. But but the playwright came in to Chicago from San Diego and she's been watching it and and When I saw it yesterday the she had made some changes? There was literally one of the actors at the script because the changes were so new they can possibly remember them in the show had the script. Yeah it was hidden folder. Whatever whatever but yeah just for one particular scene but anyway the point being? You know when you're in previews that's what previews are all about The process yeah. I ah that was so cool to watch. I mean he would just like go into a corner and back in just all these changes. That were made a lot a lot of cutting a lot of adding but Well yeah by and large. That's what most people tend to want to do when it gets close to opening the show. Move the story Laurie Long. Just get rid of yeah trim the fat. Yeah like any good butcher. Let's talk about all the fantastic gigs. You van okay. Over the years I mean he played one in Boston where we connected to remember that what he me. Argh what Gig uh-huh yeah you were playing with Christie With the pretenders allowed to talk about that yeah that was remember how that all came together. Woah yeah you you. She got hired to play a birthday party. Yeah a private birthday party. So she she brought in Jon Wurster night a beat the rhythm section action and her usual pretenders guitarist. James was there and the first night we were the first day we rehearsed and then we went out to dinner. And then we're walking back to the hotel all in Christie said to me. I just met her that day but she said you know I'm jet lagged. Feel like shit going straight to the hotel. What are you doing now? I said I'm a I'm going to meet up with an actor friend of mine who's and Tan shooting movie. And she said a an actor I've heard of and I said maybe Mike Shannon and she said she stopped walking did she stab wild. She stopped. We were walking on the she stops. She goes iceman's the tops removed from me. Top three yeah. She's not specifically shoes that specific. Yeah so is man and the green lantern the She said I want to meet them. And so I was already texting with you because we were going GonNa meet up and I said Chrissie Hinde wants to meet you. You remember what you wrote back. No OKIE doke. Yeah I didn't I. That was damaged. That's the really strange when People like that WanNa meet you. That's I mean I remember in my Utah and when I was doing plays at Cafe Voltaire in the Basement Cafe will tear was a vegetarian restaurant on Clark street across from the Alley and they had a basement and when I say basement it wasn't on my refurbished placement basement designed to be a theater. It was a basement and you could do plays down there for free. You just had to split the door with with them but we did this play about rock and roll that my friend wrote in one of the songs in it was middle of the road And I was like I dunno nineteen twenty when I did one time and ICU. Hear that song be like this woman is bad as and then there. I am in Boston sitting across the table from her. That was a fun nine line. I didn't know what to say I never. I don't really know what to say in those situations where we hung out for a long time. I mean you save that story for the very Dan which I thought was cool. What story middle of the road? You told her about that I did. Yeah and you said you said I would be remiss if I left here tonight and and didn't tell you how much your music meant to me. I said other As so classy it really is well. She's one of the legends. She's incredible she's got CD I liked now where she sings on Jessop. Yeah Right out valve bone that such a great record. Yeah but dead at Amoeba. Will you were making knives out at the time. This is a little over a year ago. Yeah and then in December I reached out to her and I says it was just a year ago. We're hanging out and Mike was making knives out now. It's out and Josh neither she nor I had seen it yet and then when I saw it I emailed her loved this movie. I hope you get to see her and she didn't she finally sought here. We were practising for our cars Gig and you said that we should give similar picture. Well she's also Good Friends of Morrissey and Matt Matt Walker. Who was playing drums drums with us? That ladder works with Morrissey. So I knew that that was like the Trifecta the three you know. She'd get a kick out of that she did. She loved that picture. So how long were you in Boston. Making that making knives out because at a long shoot no no that was That was not long at all. That was like a month answer so man. That's one of those gigs. You just really get lucky. It's just fun and everybody's so interesting and you don't we'll have to like get all neurotic about it and then and then you leave and then it is really popular. It's Damn lucky on our felt fun. That's nice to hear that it was actually fun. Won't a guy made it Ryan Johnson Easy Real County. I mean meticulous Louis and intelligent and he takes it seriously but he's very easy going kind of guy on set you know very laid back and and he wrote it to. He wrote it and directed it. was he making changes last minute. Na stuck to it no allowed the filmmakers. I've worked with they're right. They don't mess around showing stuff to people unless it's unless they guy where they wanted. Yeah it's pretty airtight. They got their vision. All put together are there and they're ready to go. Yeah I mean I'm at seeing bread. It doesn't know what he's doing or something. It's just a different process. Yeah let's it's more expensive. I would imagine you definitely. You don't want to start shooting a movie without eminent script. It's worthwhile yeah. I'm getting really dry. Yeah we should. Now let's take a break before we do the second hour third hour of this podcast Mike. This just fine. Thank you Jason. Nar ducey Michael Shannon. Thank you so much for joining us here on the talk house. PODCAST go buy tickets. Verboten if you don't live in Chicago by plane trade bus tickets to Chicago go see that show again. And that's playing at the Chopin theatre through March. A couple of names that came up in today's episode have worked with the Talk House before indeed. Go check out multiple episodes that we did with knives. That's writer director. Ron Johnson Ham and conversation with Terry Gilliam and analytic report. If it was superchunk that brought you to today's show. You can catch their drummer Jon. Wurster in conversation with the late lamented Lil bub as well as frontman and merge records guru Mac mccaughan. 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Shannon Penn

The Right Time with Bomani Jones

54:56 min | 2 years ago

Shannon Penn

"Ladies and gentlemen welcome to the right time. My name is Bomani Jones. Thanks for listening on the E._S._p._N.. APP At back as we ever get your bike as we appreciate it rate as review gives five stars yelling give us four stars. We are inclined to think you are a hater. Is that time we we do an interview normally but this ain't really going to be so much interview interview as much as sometimes man. My homeboys need some help and I do it. I can't help my homeboys because I feel like I'm a good friend and joining us <hes> you can check them out producing Freddie and Fitz on E._S._p._N.. Radio a man Shannon pen now. I'm sorry go ahead and tell the people mm-hmm who you are. My name is Shannon Pen and I'm a Knicks Fan Hi Shannon thank you for having me today. Guys I really appreciate you bringing me into this welcoming environment and and making me feel appreciate it so thank you yeah man I mean I want everybody to know we scheduled this before. We knew a free agency was going to be hitting all right because I know somebody our product thing I might hear picking all Shannon. I'm trying to help you and I was going to be here to celebrate with Shannon. If the next guy some people in free agency and you got some people got ready bulldog. y'All got get Marcus Mars possibly Yeah Julius randle Look Day and we're number thirty which will get into a little bit later because apparently Auden Knick fans are upset about that Uis at the Bernard King <hes> yeah but before before we even start with with the Knicks stuff I must say you know who your real friends are and you know who the people who are down with you when they're there to be when they're there to comfort you and your time of need and I and I must say when free agency hit on June thirtieth thirtieth and of course it was announced that durant was going to the nets and all these other guys and once again the Knicks whiffed on the big name free agents. I was sitting there on my love seat Kinda down kind of disappointed about the whole situation and then I'll look at my phone my phone rang and I knew exactly what it was before I even before I've had to look at it said Bomani Jones and I was like Oh boy here we go so I thought Bomani was going to call to rub it in but no no no no no no. That wasn't the case so money. was there here to be a shoulder to cry on the first and foremost Bo i WanNa say thank you very much. I got all the facetime audio overseas and that's how you do it for the cheap. You know what I'm saying. I had to beige Jews okay Bro. I was legitimately like I felt like you personally deserve better yeah. Absolutely I know I did and I think doing this podcast with you today as a lot easier than doing it say the week of the of the Free Agency which brings me to my next point. I I WANNA take this time to apologize to our good friends over his back on back in ninety nine the fan in Raleigh. He actually reached out to me that Monday asking if I would come on his show but I was in place to go like that was like I was at my point and you've asked me all the time <music> I'm like when is it going to be the point when you get off that and York Nicks narcotic and I was contemplating. I was there like I was at that point. I was at a point and you know it was bad where I couldn't even do a radio interview one of my boys because I was so distraught about this situation I feel bad afterwards. I literally text Joe two days later like Oh yeah man I apologize wants to give for not coming on. Usually I would do things like that but I was in. No place discuss the Knicks at that point. I wouldn't have made for great radio. Oh man but I feel like just bryce is looking at the right way you ready. I'm waiting okay you would've liked to have hey Kevin durant but you know if he would have gone to Knicks. It would have gone bad right right. There's the likelihood of probability that would have been very high yea like it's like if a tree fallen force it kind of actually I was reading a book about this and it makes the point that if a tree falls in the forest it actually does not make a sound it only makes a sound in the presence of someone hearing the sound right like the surroundings do matter in their way. The explanation is a little more complex than I can probably share but anyway just trust me on this it Kevin durant would follow it knicks. It'd make a sound and that's an would be damn. He got hurt again absolutely and I think with the Knicks indirect I think the the injury first and foremost was a was a big hurdle there 'cause i. I do think that the rain had a legitimate interest in joining next but I think once he had the injury there wasn't going to be a second star that was going to be willing or second play it. I was going to be willing to come on the New York with him. So now the look at if you're the next like do we wanna then still pursue durant even though he's going to be out a year when of course the Knicks are always three years away from being three years away so I don't I don't know if for the Knicks it made sense in that regard but still and it goes back to your point with the tree. Can you miss something that you never had like. I can't can we feel as though we missed out on durant if we never really had him right I know and everybody I mean it was telling me that he was gonna come to understand and then you'll use the head at Unicorn Dude and he added here right and I mean they got him out of here so they can make room to give mortgage Moore's going back to the Mark Morris thing well actually. I don't think the Marcus Morris thing is bad. See this is why I'm saying I do think there's some legitimate bright side here for the Knicks. Here's what look what the Nasdaq man. The Nets didn't have no picks. They couldn't get anybody to show up. They had to get this thing figured out the old fashioned way and I do feel like the Knicks are behaving like a competent organization. These days like I think this idea of signing all these guys that you're ultimately looking to trade at the deadline and that you're going to have off the books I think that that is a smart play and so I think rather than trying to rush this thing because if they had a guy and had no Kevin durant that's what a forty one team and y'all wouldn't yeah y'all wouldn't be happy. He would've forty win team. You know what I mean like. I really do think that like staying low and building is the path and y'all got some guys image Robinson Dude. You'RE GONNA be all right. I'm not really here for the Kevin Knox but Dennis Smith if nothing else will be entertaining and and R._J.. <hes> JEN and why can't you yeah that's Oh. I didn't realize this lack of shooting was bad then during the summer league I will be honest with you. Obviously you know he's still young player and all this stuff and learning the ropes but I thought the shot would have been a little bit better and I understand you got to extend now from the college three point line but it's look bad like I I don't know if he has to change his entire shooting motion but it needs to be tweaked put but getting to the appointment quickly on on the Knicks roster and I do like the fact that a lot of these veterans that they signed Taj Gibson you bobby gorgeous Wayne Ellington Alfred trading the other two year deals but their team options after the first year right so they give the knicks the flexibility to you know to release those guys if need be if they wanNA start over and do it again next season so I I don't think in years past with Nixon struck out on somebody they would then sign the second tier free agent just to have somebody and it was game on big money granted. The Jewish Randall deal was probably a lot more than some people knick fans wanted wanted to admit but it wasn't the blockbuster. Hey let's give them our stoudamire one hundred million on a bad knee it wasn't that so at least there are signs that they're moving in the right direction eight. See what I'm saying like. Hey you guys. I ain't GonNa lie man also glad I was out of the country last week last thing I need to be doing walking around on the streets of New York City with people stopping me asking me what happened. I don't know dog in for Knicks Fan. You know they're always told you know be patient work towards something Dang in and it was reminiscent of the Knicks tanking prior to the two thousand ten free agency but I think this this time hurt more than two thousand ten. The Knicks were really gonNA. They didn't have a legitimate shot to get Lebron James. I think that was more of an open prayer than anything else he would have been great to have Lebron but we weren't going to get him and I think this time though with the Kevin durant speculation all season like there were legitimate talks that he had interest so felt as though you had a chance like it was worth the tanking in the losing and the patients that they were preaching for Knick fans fans they say here at the end of the tunnel in that light could be one of the top one or two players in the league and of course like in traditional Knicks fashion that did not come to pass yeah yeah. No that's fair. That's fair. That's fair does his thing anymore because they went to the nets. See that's the interesting thing about this and I made the comparison with the announcement of a career in Durant of signing with the nets it felt very much reminiscent of bashes to beach nineteen ninety six when Hogan joined the end wwl and and it was like at that time the W._f.. was like the Knicks the old guard you know they. They had been the leaders for such so long and it's like the W._C._W.. was like the nets it was the little brother. We didn't really care like that's. That's a cute story but things got real. Once Hogan joined join the N._W._f.. Oh and then you look over at the W._W._f.. Roster in the Knicks very much very much the Brooklyn brawler Amish Johnson right now it doesn't add up like these guys rolling fall national game and who we got you break out the. Burglar Brawler Duke the Dumpster Droese. That's right now Kevin Knox Brooklyn that's see I feel like the Hogan would be like Patrick. You would have gone to play for the death right like that would have been like the full-on. I do get what you cover from. Go ahead two things on one. This nets thing this year has the potential to be a disaster because what's the difference between this year's nets and last year Celtics right Dr Kyri in here not to mention this. I don't think the nets this year has have the talent that last year Celtics Act the Celtics will legitimate D team of course they had some chemistry issues with probably starting with cary but I don't think the nets are that so at best this year without Oh Kevin Durant well. Let's see here so we're talking about. What cares liver Jared Allen <hes> Spencer Dinwiddie wow did I did? I get dismissed Dinwiddie that fast. That's that's it and I'm not gonNA. I'm not trying to no no no no shade no J.. They got Andrew Jordan now. There's some to that yet. It's going to be a lot of Kyri gun like right like this. De Ngelo Russell had to green light gun last year right well. Anyone would be surprised if Kyri led the League in scoring next year 'cause I wouldn't know by the way the nets. Let's do have their one do from Europe with hops was a kirks. Have you seen him. I'll take your word for oh. No no no no you will enjoy watching him play basketball. It is entertaining. I don't know how good he is but there's nothing quite like the European do springs yeah but I will. I'll say though of the nets because they don't Garner same level attention that the Knicks I do think that's a better fit for career when he goes off and kung-fu Cari starts talking because I think it would have been criticized a lot more had he done those type of things with the Knicks or especially especially this year without a durant and that would have been a total disaster so I think yes the focus the focus will be more on the nets but it still won't be too level that it would have been if he had gone to the next and things didn't work out. Let's see I think there's a flip side to that. which is is this is still a knicks city right and so I don't know what is going to be like in a national dialogue but it's still a knicks city and so people aren't going to be talking about the nets to talk about how great the knits are? It's going to be some hating going on right. There's no question about it that there's going to be hating that transpires inspires and if it does start going bad then this get treated like the mets right so with the mets you could make the argument that you know the Yankees get more attention obviously than the meant to do right in New York except when things are going bad right and the mets get had plenty of attention when things are going bad the same way the jets get plenty of attention where things go bad so things. Don't go right with the nets. I do think it will get the same level of attention that it would be if you did with the Knicks. Just maybe less passionate because people won't be as is personally invested but I think it will be just as loud except the loud will be people laughing right but but ultimately how much and understands it's durant in carryover. How much still do the nets register? I mean we got the next grant it. They oh in Jersey may back to back N._B._A.. Finals appearances we're not too long removed from the dare Williams Eyeso- Joe The net situation week with Jason Kidd and they were supposed to be the talk of the town and that never really materialized so really how much are the next. Is this going to be any different than successful next teams of the past. I guess it just depends on how good they are not to be fair. This'll be like the first actual successful one since they moved one would think right like oh three. Oh two or three or four example they were down <hes> in New Jersey so like I feel like leading count the New Jersey on a chest which is not the same place at all learned that I don't know I think I think they got a chance to get some like to get a little something cracking I I do and I I think a huge difference between Lina being in New Jersey and being in Brooklyn is that you can get to the arena on the subway. You know what I mean like. They're more accessible now. Then I would argue that they were before and if I think if they start doing really well let's say they come off the rip like start the season like thirteen and two or something like that they're gonna get all the attention and world but they stayed thirteen and two right and I think there's there's one dynamic I think nationally that people don't realize what the Nixon the nets it's not a rivalry like now they play in the same city but the nets how often the nets and the knicks ever good at the same time like it's never been arriving. I Dunno if then being Jersey had anything to do with it but it was never felt like a rivalry whereas like if you say Rangers devils in hockey that's felt more like a rivalry. Nets Knicks have never really been a rivalry so okay. This is unchartered territory like you had to novelty of when he first moved to Brooklyn and the whole association with Jay Z.. If people were interested but that kind of war off and you look at last year for example the nets being one of the lowest attended teams in the League so I'm curious to see how sustainable sustainable can this new nets run be yeah. They're going to have to win some games but I mean I went to a couple of games. Last year. I went to a playoff game in fact because that's what the second team in the city is good for so you can go see some affordable basketball in I and I went to a nets game a couple years ago and I enjoyed it. Actually I went to a couple of Knicks Games with two couple of games. I really did enjoy the environment I think there is a legitimate buzz in excitement still with the nets but I like like I said I would like to see if that can be <hes> <hes> if if that could be more amazed in not just the novelty of hey it's cool. We got a team in Brooklyn. Let's tickets cheaper than mass. See I can go see the net and sit in seats befitting of a man of my stature but also pay prizes with what I'm willing to pay I can't I ain't been in Madison Square Garden for basketball game yet but very reason be back there sitting which all what what on the next and I wanna I wanna get your opinion on this one Bo do you think the perception of the organization in the narrative creative of the whole thing is overblown or you do think there's legitimate concerns around the league from players in other teams about how he manages that organization so like. I certainly don't think that Dolan helps but what I don't don't have a great handle on is like do they at least get some of the little stuff right because Dolan's up there and they've largely phased doling out of actually doing anything with the operation like I don't feel like anything that happened is time is really Jim Dolan's fault but if they treat people right like that's the thing I think the players care more about what I would organizations and stuff like that is do they treat you right. You know what I mean like. There was one team that used to charge players for Gatorade for example right pretty sure the knicks aren't doing that right and I've actually spoken to a couple of former <hes> <hes> knicks players who were there during the bag years and in each of them to a man said that the Knicks treat your great they treat the players very very well he said actually once said that you know he had multiple stops in the league and he said that he was treated best. Buy The knicks. Everything is first class hotels meals the whole nine so that I found that interesting because you're all the things like once again about the organization but yet the players are treated very well but I do think one thing that that hurts the knicks as the facilities the fact that with the nets you had the practice active facility right there in the city. If you WANNA live in the city you can whereas with the Knicks that's not the case not to mention the difficulties that you have traveling game in game out to Madison Square Garden so I think I'm I'm wonder why now here we are two thousand nineteen. Why don't the Knicks have a practice facility in the city? Why why can't they make living more conducive to the players in the city whereas having to travel out out of the city to go the practice stealing things like that now that I think those things probably matter more than Jim Dolan? How many owners are good interleague? How people be like all of our team is really good right and that and that brings me to another point we look at what had transpired this year free agency and three of the better run franchises in Golden State Oklahoma City and Toronto each lost lost star players? So how much does a well run organization even mad at me honest with you or is the the free agency move all about the individual players themselves well. I do think that a well run organization ultimately matters like I think from what I can tell all about this modern incarnation of the Clippers Kawai left a well run organization to go to another well run organization and said no to a not so well run organization. You know what I mean and we saw how those people that turned down the Lakers through the years coming up to this this point you know those guys who decided no they didn't that that wasn't something that they wanted to do now. Of course the legs attracted Lebron James who didn't give a damn about what the organization was to play again Dan Gilbert and they brought in Anthony Davis who what the hell he know about a well run organization right like it's worth noting that those guys probably also where all teams that will poorly run organizations. I think the most of the factors in free agency are things that like I think that how will run the organization is matters but it's probably on the same level Oh for a lot of guys with like six or seven different things so like the nets are they a well run organization I do we know that they just got a new owner right. Do even know of there well run organization. I don't know but they offered things that those dudes found to be attractive. <hes> it's it's. I think one thing we're going to have to do is we have to stop thinking that we got some basic template of what it is guys want in that they are going to sign for like even though Paul George ultimately asked to get out he did re up from five years in Oklahoma City city and that's something. I don't think any of us would have thought had happened. Oklahoma City got to dudes well. I think he may not before anybody you got to dude to come back and re up at a place where guys normally wind up leaving team right no soothes you know and you had the rumer prior to them. Being Being California guys that they were going to go to the Lakers and ultimately at the time they chose reopen and okay see as opposed to signing with the Lakers and please understand Mama. Mama is from Oklahoma City. She re up on that. She left in nineteen sixty. I mean she visits she was out right and that brings up another point in this whole free agency discussion and you saw it with Kemba Walker the idea that guys WanNa go home. They don't and Kemba walking made it known from the start like I don't WanNa go back like I love New York and love the city but I don't WanNa go back. I love to hear somebody where they were like. You want to go back home. Everybody get you call home me one time see if you want to do that right. Is this subdued. That's just like Yo man. I just can't maybe around him. No this is not this is not what I needed by life and also. I think it's worth knowing that come home notion. You are a native New Yorker but you move to Virginia when you were in your team right <hes> going back to what what am I doing. This type this type of New Yorkers. I got the ones who went haunting. Never leaving like they're good. They're still renting the same apartment that they grew up in their never leaving like I get that and you got those who left and realize so wait a minute. There's a world outside of this. I never coming back and guess what I'm into ladder. That's me never come back love. The visit was in New York last week. As a matter of fact went to Coney Island for Fourth of July. That's all well and good guess do ask the Fourth of July left doc right. Not Everybody is try to come home of gives you know people been holding out hope there Blake Griffin by go to Oklahoma City because he from there in that's not happening. I'm sorry that's that's not happening now. Now going back to the Knicks and I wanted to pose this question to you. Do you think the Knicks in their approach to free agency and the whole thing of you know because there were rumors that you know selling durant on the you know the off the core potential and all those things. Do you think those are antiquated at this point. Do you think they have to change the pitch because obviously it's not the product on the court because they haven't won or haven't been competitive in almost twenty years now. I don't think they need to change the pitch because dudes do wanna be stars right like we not out here dillard with a bunch of these Yeoman as his out here trying to grind and do nothing but play basketball these dudes do want to do this other stuff. You also have to be able to sell the basketball thousand problem that the Lakers head is that the Lakers are out here trying to sell people on Hollywood and they're like Yo but I play basketball. How about something anything about basketball now? I think that I think that that is a decent sell. The only thing I think though is that that cell isn't the one to give the Kevin Durant. The reason is not the cell to give Kevin Durant is number one Kevin durant his probably himself already thought about this number two Kevin durant became a giant worldwide worldwide star playing in Oklahoma City so what's your pitching might not even ultimately be their valuable to him for that reason. You know what I mean like like. That's where I think they're all but I do think you could tell do like Julius randle for example like Yo- you're going to be a bigger star here yeah then you would be wherever it is other places that you did and you know what I mean like on that tier right not to mention the whole selling New York thing you have to nets here in the nets can sell that whole New York thing as well granite doesn't have the name the next do but you can sell the New York thing at as being a member of the nets not to mention. Hey we have a good product on the court. We have a quote unquote a well run organization. You know whatever that means so you can sell those things now whereas with the Knicks I don't know how you countered according to say this would this is what differentiates us from a nets at this porno they gotta do they've gotta run that organization will like that's really what it's GonNa. Take I think on that level. They just got it. They have to run the organization well and they got they got a hit on a draft pick and and I think that's the part about the knicks situation. That's been underrated win if they like when's the last time they truly hit on a drastic for porzingas kind accounts right and that's the thing that makes the whole porzingas situation so frustrating. Is that okay if you're the Knicks and you've struck out on in free agency so okay so what's the what's what's another option of building team. Let's build through the draft okay. Let's bill to do build through the draft. Let's make our own and build them up. Make him an all star. That's essentially what they did with porzingas in. It's still went left so I think so. It's like now. We're starting over again like it's always hitting the reset button with the Knicks now the hope was you know okay. Let's tank. Hopefully we get the first pick get Zion. That didn't work now. Berry can be a good consolation prize. Yes and I'm not knocking them for that but it's still not the same level of Star potential that Zion could have been yeah. I think they made the right call importing about away even if they didn't sign anybody from trading him I think they made the right call on poisoned and ultimately I do as well the only problem that do have with the Porzingis thing though was that you know listen to other executives around the league that the Knicks didn't really take long shopping porzingis. I think mix could have listened to a few more offers. I and maybe even got a better deal grant. They got a really good deal being able to unload Courtney Courtney Lee and Tim Hardaway Jr junior's contract that the Knicks for some reason resign and gave him a big deal but they were able to allow those contracts get to first round feature first first round picks from the mavs and have the flexibility so I think ultimately it achieved what it wanted to but the same time you have to wonder what more could they have gotten yeah. I think that's fair right but I think I think it was going to happen. Is PORZINGAS. Go down there and play in Dallas and movie stars playing well is going to be oh you silly next like first of all. Let's not forget. There's something hanging in that situation. I don't really know how to deal with it right now. There's something hanging over the air causing you talked about because we don't get. We don't talk about because we don't know what to do. Because all we got really is an accusation but it's still hanging right. <hes> I like Dallas actually has been really kind of fascinating going on there with him dodge. I don't know how this is really going to go together but it sounds like porzingas the nickname to decide the porzingas was more troubled than he was worth and it takes a lot for an N._B._A.. Team to decide that about somebody and then they do get run up on the other day to crew at the crib of all places getting back what we talked about for some folks they can't go back. You know you can't go home like it's all well and good. That's where you from you. Love your place. You let me cut but you can't go back. Everybody ain't happy to see you when you come back. Let me tell you what I worry about. Though man porzingas in his whole squad they all wear white t shirts that's bad somber you notice that when it's all squad wearing white T.'s and it makes me think back to picture for singers when he was a kid he had to coral headman yeah but but like think about a man when you had to club squad full news in White T.'s walk up but you think most close we go to a whole set of thing on the wall specifically for them and you know what that led listed thing. He says no white team right at the top no athletic gear. There's no I t's no sneakers no athletic gear. Is that the Holy Trinity. That's the whole turning. That's right at the top. That's from cigars and that's before you even pass go. You gotTa know that from jump this thing going down like this. I don't care what league play no white T.'s. Let's mention you too old to be in the club that allows someone to go in there wearing a white t. What neighborhood was he in Latvia where you show up into club in the white tea white tea and a chain like it's like yeah? What is this one thousand nine hundred different size on the T.? Obviously understand. It can't be that not anymore. No no you need to be as the war was ropes you know you I need to be in a place. That wouldn't let you in five years ago exactly and I think that's the biggest sign of ultimately you come up as a person not like it. Can I get into this club that I wouldn't have been able to get into five years ago. Get access to V._I._P.. If I wanted it wouldn't have maybe five ten years ago yes and if the answer is no you got a lot more work to do. Yes now on the point of access those see that we talked about the Knicks Sale. I would say the best sale that you could get from being on the Knicks is the day-to-day access to people that you have like honestly think about this. You play for the Knicks you just warming up before the game and forty five minutes before the game think about all the money that you can meet just talking to the dudes who sit in the lower bowl because you know what is how to go. You know what I mean it N._B._A.. Arenas dudes out there people talking anybody think about all the money that you can meet just shooting jumpers before the game that'll be myself right and and and and and access you know took to those people and not not just the the celebrities but to the actual real deal money money the real real deal money to put the people that look like money and I went to a niche game set courtside. That was a little bit of Humble Bradford so that game this past year an amount of money. You can tell I saw a couple of people I didn't know what do I know he did something yeah remember looking on Instagram. Ramsey live here in in in getting the Gameboy from teams. Don't afterwards but that's not the point. That's that's all that I mean if you want to brag about that feel free or him asking my son. If you WANNA take a picture and brain was like Nah they go thank you eight O.. Hooper right but then with Dolan with that I think the Knicks still do have to repair some P._R.. Like with Dolan the Oakley thing is still hanging out the I think that's that's legit still oh hanging out there. Were a couple of years removed from that but that's still jet you had the situation this past year when he threatened a fan to ban them from the garden like those those things albeit on the grand scale. Maybe not be as big with the fan but it's a bad it's not a good look you know Oh yes and and and from the perspective from the people who are watching from afar that still to them same oh knicks same old same old James Dolan and I. I don't think that's necessarily case seen it firsthand especially this year. I don't think that's the case anymore and the Knicks need to let that be known and I don't think that's the case I mean you even have the beef that they have now the New York Daily News like you gotTa End Net like you gotta you gotTa build up and getting a good graces with some folks because a lot of times meat and look into right bat stuff about you if you give them reaches but if you don't give them reasons to write that stuff then that'll help you in the long run. I think they get out here and went thirty. Five Games like thirty thirty five thirty six games like I mean I honestly think that's just just give reason people a little reason to I believe in it. I like this past year. You had the league's worst record but it wasn't all doom and gloom like the the crowds went to a couple of games like I said and the crowds were still into it. I went to a Knicks Cleveland. Cavaliers game this year and the crowd was into it because there's this whole oh like even aside from the free agency potential last year you still had hey we have this core of young young players in there getting playing time you at least working towards something you're not in basketball. Purgatory next didn't hate this team. Oh not at all and I think I think having a fishtail is the right coach for the situation because he has he has clout his name recognition. He has the skins on the wall and he has respect of people in this league so I think with him. Scott Perry like the Knicks aren't looked at as the side show that they were say three three or four years ago Phil Jackson. How about this? I got some for you Matt you from Brooklyn Right <hes>. Why don't you just know Rog would no no no? I don't have any ill will towards the nets but that's not happening. You know why because the nets warrant affair with me in nineteen ninety four and game seven they weren't there with me if you favorite plays John Stocks and he's all famous city of Houston no they weren't there with me Yeah Rock Kenny Anderson Yeah rock the Derrick Coleman and those guys but they weren't there with me and ninety four. He was your favorite player of all time. Absolutely I didn't realize absolutely you need to come to Houston man to say you'd be most show people down and they give them the key to the city. Yeah you walk around with a John starks Jersey. Here's the Yugo be drinking for free. Just say like gets back to the whole free agency thing June thirty. Was this the worst day. What do you not paying attention when you're not there ninety four well? He's not there with Smith. Stop Smith Stop. Smith stopped again ninety three Patrick Ewing his finger on ninety five against the pages where you not there which P._J.. Brown Charlie Ward and seven where you not paying attention. Oh come on now well. You're not there when you got when you got swept in the N._B._A.. Finals without you got five games sweeping N._B._A.. Finals Ninety five and ninety nine and that was looked at as a good thing yeah you weren't there with me. Over the eight CD you made the finals you rely scrappy underdogs. We'd beat the heat and the Pacers that year so that was that was the extent from any we're getting out of the first round in the playoffs is a reason for for tickertape parade and you weren't there with me Brooklyn or nets fans. I should say but they never do unto you neither and see that's why I don't hate them. I don't I don't hate and it's just like the jets. I'm a giant fan. Obviously I don't hate the suggests. They haven't given me a reason really dislike. Them is not real animosity there for me. I I wish him well. I don't WanNa see him when the championship but I wish him well all the saying I'm just saying I feel like crib would welcome you back. Of course they will absolutely elitist what I'm saying to crew. I'm sure they will be right back there Brooklyn Somewhere Brooklyn and all of that sounded like Glenn but that's not going to happen. I can't do it. I I got. Tom Invested in its relationship. I mean the next I I got Tom Boy. I put in a put in twenty five plus years in this relationship. I can't just throw it out on a whim just because they had a bad off season. I can't do a bad off season several bad off seasons Bro I but I I can't do it. I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired but I'm not going to run into the arms of another another team. I can't do it but I will tell you this close on June thirty. If I had to contemplate where I was in my life I had to look at things from the outside and reevaluate how I go about doing things. Both you did happy us over there. Listening the way next sale soundtrack absolutely shoot she. I was absolutely it won't be too bad the a tough go back. It's does go therefore you do a do ultimate Hobo but ultimately I think they're on the right track just the slow track like they're not on the the express at all. They're on the local and they're gonNA to make every stop on the way to the the roads success right now more people to get on the bandwagon. That's what it is and I'm telling us right now because I know gave when he tweeted his out. He's the Hashtag nickname I all. You knew Knick fans back. The Knicks was a couple of years ago like I were if you were there in the Nick Statement Jumped on the bandwagon. I wanted to still be here now. Darkest time because when the Knicks rise again like the Phoenix whenever that does happen whether or not I'm alive or not I want I want you to look back on this timers and say who was there with you when when when the Knicks missed out or Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving. Did you get a call from overseas from your boy that didn't happen. I don't want to hear from you understand that line between rising like the Phoenix and being the Phoenix Suns. Let me ask you a question though let you calm down a little bit. What do you think about Cola's Oh say first of all when I heard you use quad Associated Promo? I laughed out loud literally so Kudos to you Sir that House the ultimate g move on that I love it. I love the fact act that you know we got so many prognosticators and everybody you know this person and I got sources this my sources that and this team is out of it. No that's not the case and I love the the unpredictability about it but I will say with quiet making his decision like you couldn't help brought out like look. I do the show from nine nine one eight eastern time all right so I'm on the radio up. It's a one A._M.. On Friday night and you want to wait to to about two o'clock to make decisions to make this public. You couldn't help me out do that about an hour or two earlier had some content on a slow Friday night. You couldn't help me out like yeah. You knew you were going to the clippers. You couldn't just make that decision so we can had guest thought had some reaction to a promo to do some do a blink to rejoin you can help me out of it isn't things that I've picked up on this. One thought that somebody who is seeing like some Kawais interaction with his fellow players and he was like basically it's out of here. Reading those tax is like when people use this call to Michael Jackson in real life in here Michael Jackson's real voice not the not the not the not the Katie voice but the you know the Michael Jackson voice the roll man Meikeljohn yeah exactly apparently coup why he was like Oh. I wondered if somebody else's right in these ticks like apparently there's a whole world of Kuwa- that we don't know new thin about all right. Is there part the other thing is the more I look at it because the people who said the clippers were out of it and then Kuwiat wound up going there. A lot of them are getting the blues. I think there's room for everybody to be right on that. I do think the clippers were out of it if they couldn't get somebody else to run with right right and so it just so happened that Kowa walked in with somebody to run with them and then they made it happen but they didn't have somebody to run with them like I think if the raptors don't if the raptors don't trae Paul George George or the Clippers don't trade for Paul Yeah Okay it needed those teams traded for Paul. George Coli probably goes to the Lakers at that point like I do think that the clippers as they were constituted were out of it but then out of nowhere they found a way to Paul George and it does sound like they was working on that all week Nestor remarkable thing about is affected by quiet essentially put that together like at the last minute it's like hey you know I got Mama Boy Paul George out there. You know if you WANNA put together. Say three or four first round picks. Include gasoline is it seems like who I put this all together. In a short period of time then begs the difference like if qua- was able to do this walk and other other teams who wanted say the New York Knicks who who who wanted a pair durant with another superstar. Why couldn't they finagle finagle find a way to bring a second star how was quiet able to unlock the code of this Paul George thing a year after up and with the team how was he able to figure this out and we got thirty twenty nine of teams in the League? I couldn't do the same thing so he sent Paul all George with marching orders like Yo get let them know let them know like I think I think the power move Ohkawa is in is a bit overstated but the strategy is not right Greasing US power move is overstated is is there say a prestigious award who flex the power because look at the as I feel like San Presi would it's Paul George sorry playboy. We can't even do it in their Paul. George would have gone back to Oklahoma City and it really wouldn't have been a thing like I think everybody would have moved on and the world would have kept spending now mass impressed he was like so. You're telling me that this restart that I know we need to make you just gave me an excuse. I continued his whole thing now right. Now I give him props CBS US like okay cool this opportunity coming again that do you realize this that from. I think like twenty twenty two twenty twenty six or something like that. Oh maybe twenty twenty twenty twenty six they got two first round picks like every year but one for the possibility me too I wrote pigs every year but one right and that's a team that knows it can only get this done by striking through picks and traits. They can't get this done with free Aden's right and you mentioned too like if Paul George would went back to Oklahoma City. What's the Salem for that pairing him in Westbrook anyway we it would have been probably another first round exit? Maybe a second round but they they weren't GonNa win a championship with that dual and percent Presi to understand that and say hey it's time for the rebuild. Let's go ahead and do that now and now that now that moves over the the next question though with Westbrook though one side from even looking at possible destinations for him. What do you still have in Westbrook like what's what's the fit there with Westbrook? Is he the guy that you bring in to take you over the top. Was He the guy to get you in that conversation. y'All let me find this text courtesan before the show 'cause I alluded to it on television generally but I didn't give the specifics the specifics or no worthy in six hundred forty eight minutes with Westbrook playing Impala George on the bench O. K. C. A. Minus six point eight net rating last year in eight hundred sixty minutes with George playing in Westbrook on the bench. The thunder's net rating was positive six point two. That's what scares me really. That's that's what scares me. He might be finished and you know you know how I feel about Russell West. You're not Volvo player but this possible that he is finished I is he. Has He reached mellow territory. I don't know now one thing I think that becomes tricky. Though with Westbrook is that he was hurt early and he was much better later in the year than he was before but the fact that it's free throw percentages fallen by twenty points over the last two seasons on the in between there was like it went from like eighty five to seventy three to sixty six that that is where I'm like Yo what is really going on here like this could be fun to watch but I don't know how much he has left like as a productive basketball player and his game has no dial back like there's no like I don't know how Russell Westbrook becomes do that. Just comes off the bench and gives you like nineteen minutes a game right not to mention like and similar to say a derrick rose. I'm curious to see what is Westbrook's game when he starts when the physical stuff starts taking a step back you know like what's what does his game if he can't reach that next level slopes of speed and fast break like what is there because he's never been a standstill shooter so so what's his game. If he starts losing some of that he needs to spend he only do nothing this offseason pursue jumper save your legs and just you Jay's my wwl here running onto. Just just shoot a jumper because I mean I I have no idea what future is. I think some of these teams out here I try even at the Price Day like Miami made the attempt to Adam with the price tag. I wouldn't blame them. The only problem is after you got him. You AIN'T GONNA be able to train them. Nobody else like I don't see how that happens once you got them right and then looking at that contract. What is it getting like close to fifty million toward the end of that deal for the for the next four years I think he's I think one hundred seventy one million dollars for the next four years Yodel Leagues while man? I mean who really can say with some confidence. They knew who will win the championship this year because I can't and so so I know the parody conversations have been brought up the last <hes> last couple of weeks. Though do you think we legitimately have it now because we've talked about in years past like even last year and this this game can do it this game team do it but I think legitimately. There's there's probably seventeen. Maybe even eight if you stretch it to have a legitimate sell that hey we can win the title and I think we've seen it especially what happened last year with Toronto. Here's what we have off season parody parody in this discussion southern tells me that was the year starts is going to start looking like an N._B._A.. Sees but as of right now we have off season parody but it's also in part because we don't know anything about these teams right like is the parody that we're discussing a byproduct of an even distribution of talent or or the fact that is there any team that you can really say like that's anywhere near the top of the League of the Milwaukee there. You're like yeah. This looks like the team they had last year and even Milwaukee looking like that it only it'll feel like he looked like that. Because Malcolm Brogdon Agnew was hurt for the postseason so much and now he's gone right but the Lakers don't look like they looked last year and the clippers don't look like the look last year like we could really run through this like all these teams how many of them actually look like they did last year. I don't see it right and I think the the biggest reason aside from all the off season moves. I think really the Brits. The biggest reason that lends to the the whole parody discussion is that the warriors aren't going to be what they were last year. Yes and I think that's the biggest one because I think even if you had all these moves quiet on the clippers you know <hes> Anthony Davis Lebron with the with the Lakers if the war is war what they were last year even with a dram but still having a healthy Klay Thompson for the duration of a season if the if the war is war what they've been the last couple of years. We're not having this discussion. No because it's still the warriors everyone else yes and the war is still games this year it. Wouldn't it be crazy if they win fifty games but still won't be the warriors that they've been yeah. I have no idea like there's another team. I have no idea what they're going to like because I'm intrigued of how they incorporate Diangelo Russell and also with that already having very public discussions that he's not going to be in it for the long haul yeah well. He knows I mean they got him because that was the literally the only way that they could do anything to improve their team right and so they bring them in otherwise otherwise they wouldn't have anybody that wasn't going to be like a five or six million dollar player right. That's all they could have brought in and now they have a guy that may twenty million dollars a year. WHO's young who's a pretty good player so you can flip him and turn him into something else if this isn't working but the Ngelo Russell was their only path to improvement the only one the only thing that's going to happen with them is? I don't know how they're outside of Steph. How are they going to score points and what is their defense is going to be like without Klay Thompson right and I think that's I? I think that's something that that that's been overlooked years past. Yes draymond green is one defensive player of the year but I think really began his communications great and all those things I'm not taking things from drama but really it's Klay Thompson ability to guard the other teams best wing defender Night Tonight out oh and not to mention be able to put up twenty seven points himself yes and also do twenty sixteen three years ago like Steph. Curry is not as good now as he was thin and Steph curry is now hit thirty years old if I'm not mistaken can these guys aren't getting any better draymond. Green is not going to get better and I assume they're grandma got his mind right at the end of last year because somebody must've told him that he was going to get that extension. Get that Max what happens if it starts looking like he's not going to get that Max who right by the way should they give him there Max and also to if there's no guarantee is going to get that Max. I'm sure he's going to be very vocal about his feelings for not having commitment that Max that he's felt he's he's earning. He probably has yes yes but as you and I have talked about in years past you get a new contract based upon when we think you're going to do in the future not what you've done in the past. If I'm the warriors I am spending from now until February everywhere seeing what somebody might WanNa give us a dream so so my question to with that is the warriors won over. Oh yeah yes done NATO like that's it yeah. No question is done. No no shade. To them but like that for them the ninety eight finals for the Bulls you know what I mean we just never saw that team. Come back together but not they're done I mean and and had a fantastic run and this is about how long runs go but again. All those dudes are going to be worse than they were before. Ego Dollar is gone right. Shaun Livingston is gone. <hes> how are they. How do you replace those guys are have an answer for that and I'll be interested this tool to watch staff like this year like to see what his approach is like? It can't be just hey. I'M GONNA do my thing. I'll school my point. He can't be just that this year dog. Why does somebody just said me something that says swaggie pieces Steve Steve Kerr rolls the best blood in the N._B._A.? Well yes his back issues in the past and dare. I'm just I'm just saying there's that I'm just saying as that will pay management who knew that Steve Kerr had such fine motor skills. He wasn't at one of the best. You didn't leave for nothing. Yeah Yeah Yeah now but yeah yeah now. I guess that's strong fingers a different meaning for shotgun. I guess yeah yeah he does. Who We're real quick? I wanted to ask we talked earlier about a show about the knicks nets dynamic New York. How do you think it plays out in L._A.? Lakers clippers the Lakers are still the Lakers and the clippers are still the clippers the difference though is what you talk about. How would their never being a robbery is the case also in L._A.? But the clippers have been good now for like seven years in a row <hes> and in fact I'd say the relevance of the Clippers actually goes back to Blake Griffin's rookie year like that's when we started paying attention to them and then the year after that they got Chris Paul. You know what I mean so like like that. That's what we got and people are used to the idea the clippers being good what that means is Laker. Fans are far more resentful of the clippers. The Knicks fans are of the nets in part because like who are the Knicks. There isn't anyone anyone right. I agree so and they play in the same building so this is going to be interesting. Let's go find out is truly how many clippers fans there are because they do exist they really do. I don't know about nets fans that will do nets fans exist like what's what's the net fan market that that that that that's not Nick Fan. You know I don't I don't get like is it. The folks that are just Jersey. I I definitely met more clippers fans in my life than I have nets. I agree that saying quite a bit about this. I'm not shaded. Nobody with that. I'm telling you I don't I don't. I don't know those people Craig. Kilborn was once interview enjoy Lawrence you remember him right and he asked me he was like so your last album sold five million copies joey I said yes and kill horses and how come nobody I know has it. That's how I feel about some of these teams and they dug him. I don't know nutty all I'll say also deep. You'll say also kind of nation yeah. I guess I guess the fans are going to be all the the new gesture fry beds bed Stuy New Yorkers. I guess I don't know that's a goal for an interesting thing in the way they push their franchise like. It's an interesting game to go to. They got beats right. They knock harder hip. Hop feel. They're very much going for the like where Brooklyn at sort of thing except that Brooklyn doesn't exist anymore and so like I can't tell exactly how the new Brooklyn relates to that and whether it's all like they're building the whole branding of the team team around biggie smalls and I don't know if that's I mean it's cool for me. I just don't know what that's the base that they actually trying to get right and I and I thought honestly that by this point with him being in Brooklyn now some some years that they would have kind of stre- started stray away away from that a bit like I get it. When we first came like said you had you had the the you had the Jay Z.? Ties to him. You had the whole big thing Takuji like I get that but I thought by this point they would start moving away and get more of their identity because that we're Brooklyn Brooklyn doesn't exist anymore. Maybe they riding this out. 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No it did happen it was him it was a dark skinned. Do who's from North Carolina like Michael. Michael was the only one he everybody's got a story. I'm just saying that to say don't blame their docked all right ladies and gentlemen. Thanks so much for joining us here on the right time which I do this thing couple of times uh-huh a week man gave Bassein everything behind the scenes. Thank you sir <hes> also be sure to check out the woge by this week. He's in Vegas with some league and had on Pelicans G._M.. David Griffin remember subscribe to the right time and pod wherever you get your podcast.

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Training Your Brain for Success with Dr. Shannon Irvine

Entrepreneur on FIRE

37:11 min | 1 year ago

Training Your Brain for Success with Dr. Shannon Irvine

"Lights that spark fire nation J. L. D. here with an audio masterclass on training your brain for success to drop these volumes. I brought Dr Shannon Irvine on the Mike. She is a doctor of neuro psychology in the host of the epic success. Podcast in Dr Shannon uses the brain brain-based Science Back Neuro. Coaching model to help entrepreneurs train their brain for success in fire nation. We'll be talking about hard wiring that brain of yours for success removing blocks that keep you stuck three things that make us successful person's brain actually function and so much more when we get back from thinking our sponsors start building an army of loyal affiliates brand ambassadors who costly promote your products. Today the step-by-step is waiting for you on my Buddy Russell. Brunson's new podcast miniseries traffic secrets. Open your podcast APP and subscribe to traffic secrets now or visit traffic secrets. Podcast DOT COM Shannon. Say what's up to fire nation ensure something interesting about yourself that most people don't know what's up fire nation so excited to be here. What's something some that everybody doesn't know about me? I once punched a cameraman out on the sidelines of an NFL. There's going GONNA BE YOUTUBE. Footage of. This is a youtube footage. Nfl cheerleader at the time. And this this cameraman him and we were in the middle of a dance and I just clocked him. No he was there but he went flat on his back. So is that not youtube footage. That'S NOT YOUTUBE FOOTAGE. Been so classic. I love it so fire nation as I shared a during the intro. Dr Shannon has got a lot of things to share with us today and a great right hook so beware. Let's talk about training your brain for success because that's going to be our focal point for today. That is what this audio masterclass is going to be all about. And let's just start off with talking about the actual hard wiring of our brain for success. What does that look like? Absolutely so I think is important for everyone to know all the entrepreneurs out there and the change makers that one of your biggest secret weapons like literally your competitive advantage. You've had the entire time and you didn't know it. And that is the three pound brain. That's on top of your shoulders. However its design. It's wiring to keep you safe in familiar and it. Automates everything that not that you want? But that's you have repeated over and over and over again in terms of automation. There's no better system on the planet than our brain and it automates. That thought that thinking process that you that you constantly are in the process of whether you realize it or not really what you automate you create and so that is the big takeaway that I want you to hear that. Once you start to take your thinking autopilot truly become the creator of your thoughts in start creating the thoughts that create the success that you want in your life in. Your Business and your relationships and all the places you start to become honestly unstoppable. One thing that I love sharing with my audience Shannon is that there's so much magic in this world but unfortunately for most people all that magic happens outside of their comfort zone and people loved stay in their comfort zone they love just wake up and as united actually kind of joking around pre interview about. Yeah a little groundhog day right now whether we like it or not just because you have the corona virus and cove in nineteen and all the shadows the reality is though we still need to push ourselves and say hey. What can we do today or tomorrow or at least some day this week? Outside of our comfort zone. How can we push awful? Because that's how we get better fire nation like us what. I'm the process of writing a book right now. My brain doesn't want to write that book because guess what I need to think new thoughts. I need to stress that brain. That brain wants to conserve. Energy doesn't WANNA use energy wants to conserve energy. And it's hard. It's so much easier for me to sit down and say I'M GONNA play a game of sellers of Qatar on my now because I love that game and it's easy and semi mindless it's you roll some dice and that happens. That's like comfort zone. Man I gotTa Coffee. I got my settlers of Catan on making things happen but getting out of your comfort zone vision for all the magic happens and Shannon. You know this now. All have blocks. You have blocks I blocks. How do we actually remove those blocks? That is keeping some of a stuck right now. This is where like I really want you to lean in and listen to this because we are always searching for like what are the three percent. What are the top dogs? What are the people are really making it doing that? I'm not where he's looking for that secret. Outside of ourselves up piece of the puzzle that were missing right and we think it's strategy. We think it's all those things we think. It's the latest Webinar funnel or whatever but the reality is all the webinars all the funnels. All that works. It's truly the person operating that that is the difference maker and left. Naturally our brains are wired to survive. I mean think tiger and we're all experiencing this right now right. There was a tiger that walked into our space recently. And it's called Cova nineteen right and we're all in this your brains doing exactly what it's wired to do. There's a tiger in the room or chemicals are kicking in fighter flight right. Well we think as entrepreneurs especially something's wrong with us because we're in overwhelm or we're in procrastination. Hello Video Games right or we're in That feeling of perfectionism rate. Everything has to be perfect before we put it out to the world or even that feeling of Imposter Syndrome of like. I can't put myself out there because then I'll be found out and then you know no one will actually listen to me. All those things are exactly what you just described is they? Are Your brains way to keep you safe to keep you from taking that big step to take you from writing the book because it doesn't align with survival it actually you to your brain? Looks like a risk so for your brain sake and for your for your success. We need to move your mind from thinking that that future state is a is a risk or is a is a Type of a threat to it being. What your brain sees as safe and familiar so that you can start to create it so really. It's constantly we're looking at two things constantly building into your brain the things that you want because your brain really needs to believe it before you'll see it and we go around really wanting to look for evidence in wanting to see it happen. I see the money in the bank. See the followers. See The things in your brain is saying no like you need to actually believe it before you see it and we can talk about that process at success path building but to your question on how do we get rid of these blocks these things that keep getting on our way some of the things that I mentioned and really the exact same way. Your brain automates anything. Is WE REVERSE ENGINEER? That and we go through the thought process of removing it. So there's four steps if it's alright with you jail the that I break them down for the try was break down. Okay so We call the Semi Neuro coaching model. we call this the mind matrix because it kind of like the Matrix. Where you're you know like going through these four steps and you come out on the other side kind of a completely different person. So the first step in. It's so simple and so I really need the listeners. To hear simple is powerful. Simple is super potent when it comes to brain rewiring so the first step is literally recognizing it but recognizing their four are so the first is recognized. But it's recognizing what you're actually saying to yourself. Not What your you know? Nobody's goes around saying I have imposter syndrome right. They say things like who the heck do I think I am to do this right? So what are you actually saying to yourself super important that you recognize that main thing that when you go to take the risk when Jail D. goes to start to type right. What is the thing that he's saying? What is the thing that you're saying and I'm saying to myself and I'M GONNA use a concrete example because I think stories better than just teaching so When I was about to start my podcast the epic success. Podcast a few years back. I'm sitting there and I'm getting it. Ready for three episodes. You Know Win the Pat Flynn style thing and I had this fleeting thought. You don't have enough value to bring to the PODCAST and it was. Just you know how those thoughts they just come in and come out and we as entrepreneurs we tend to just try to push them down and out outperform out. How Salim them or try to ignore them. Try to ignore them but remember what. You're what you automate you create so if you're ignoring them they're just they're just automating stronger and stronger and stronger stronger and stronger. So we when I was creating my podcasts. That thought fled through my mind so I I recognized it. I'm like wow I just said to myself I don't have enough value to bring to the podcast that led me to step number two. Which is you got a record it. You've got to write it down pen to paper. Please don't resist me. I'm as technologically advanced as most people. But when it comes to your brain you want to engage the systems that are going to pull this. Thought out of your subconscious mind into the conscious. Mind so that you can rewire it. You know our friend Tony Robbins. Says what you focus on grows so a lot of people will say things like. Oh well I don't like to focus on the negative or I don't WanNa pay attention to that. Y'All eighty percent of your daily actions and decisions right now are being governed by that automated process in your subconscious eighty percent. We think we're one hundred percent in control of our environment. We are eighty percent of that is being totally run by the automation. Your sub conscious that that fires before you even have a chance to think now. So that's the case I don't know about you but I don't want that thing I want to focus on it and get the heck out right like I don't. I don't want to advocate for it so when I'm recording it I'm writing it down. It's pulling together your limbic system. You're prefrontal Cortex your memory system of your brain your middle. It's bringing it all together. And when you combine those by pen to paper it actually fully pulls that fought out of the subconscious. So you write it down and I wrote down. I do not have enough value to bring to the podcast and that leads me and you to step number three. Which is refuting it your. Here's the thing that belief really comes from a core thing that happened to you when you were a young adult or maybe even a young child that kept you save from him. But that's what our brain tries to do. Kept things familiar for you and so somehow back then it served you. Somehow it served you now. You didn't choose it and it's not your fault and that's the good news you don't have to beat yourself up over having these thoughts you don't have to feel like something's broken or something's wrong because you didn't even choose it it automated because your brains wired to do that so maybe it happened at twelve sixteen but this this thought of not being enough or not having what it takes or those kinds of concepts got automated and is on autopilot. So don't blame yourself but what will happen in this third step of refuting. You're gonNA actually read it out loud to yourself and your logical adults brain prefrontal cortex one hundred percent will will naturally start arguing with the sly because you just haven't challenged since you were whatever age that you that it created automation in your brain so as an adult so back to my podcast story. I'm sitting there saying I don't have enough value to bring to the podcast. I said it out loud right. Am I natural mind? Well that's BS? I'm like I've been helping six seven and eight figure entrepreneurs massively scaling their life and their business for ten years now. I've created a nonprofit fifteen years ago that has helped hundreds of thousands of orphans. And like all the things your natural mind is GonNa Start and we we like to call it the logical mind my logical mind kicked in and I start writing down all the things that are true because the belief that's not serving you as Li- we can kind of put in those camps and you're actually writing down. I've done this. I have this. I've done that so you're just really writing till you don't can your logical mind can't come up with any more and then. I've got a kind of trick your brain a little bit because we do have something that is from our cave days called negatively biased in our brain. We see nine times more negative than we do positive in our environment about ourselves. That is a beautiful system. When we had to survive we wanted to actually see the Tigers and the snakes so we were conditioned to really look for those things and when things are going great we aren't and to be on alert for that right so that's call negativity by a so. We've got a skirt around that in your brain while we're rewiring it. One of the ways we do that in this refuting step is mirroring so with mirroring. We're GONNA be able to pause that system for a moment so how we do that. Is We pick somebody in our life. That's a writer I if you're a parent probably one of your kids. Maybe your spouse maybe a really great friend I mean the kind that you would like jump in front of a bus for kind of person writer. Die So you pick that person for me. I picked my son Max. You know I love both my kids Pitt. That's who I picked and so you would pick someone and then you are going to out loud not to their face in a room where they cannot here but out loud. You're going to say you'RE GONNA put that lie on them. So in my scenario it looked like this I out loud with my pen ready I said Max. You don't have enough value to bring to the world now. Obviously it doesn't have a pod castle. Pipe that would have made sense but Yet although we have a youtube channel I launcher preneurs. He's going he's only twelve. Go Baby So when you do that I don't know about you like even just hearing me say that. Probably got you a little like. Aw Aw you know in my like southern. I'll cut you if you her. High Children U. Hi You cut. You came up. And so like he can do anything. He is amazingly but God is powerful in his life like I just wrote and wrote and wrote and wrote about all the things and that tends to take more volume because we can just so easily see it for other people when we can't see it so much for ourselves and so that those two things combined that logical. This is what I've done that against the lie and then the mirror truth when you put it on someone else really gives your brain all of this truth that you now get to go to the fourth which is to use to rewire and the rewire step is so simple. That most people think all that can't actually work but literally rewire step is every truth that you wrote down from your logical mind in every true truth that you wrote down about the person you put in you change that to the first person instead of the third person and you record yourself reading those truths and listen to it in the morning you listen to it the evening right when you wake up like feet not on the ground yet pop. The ear buds. Listen RIGHT BEFORE. You're drifting off to sleep. Pop the ear buds. And listen and the reason for that is our subconscious. Mind takes over at night and categorizes. Automates that's what that's what dreams are. Your dreams are part of automation. And so that's its job while you're sleeping your your subconscious job is to to sort through the thoughts. If they've been repeated enough they start automating right. So that's what's going on so now you're actually automating truth by choice being the creator of your thoughts versus just the victim of them and in the morning right when you wake up same thing. You're actually starting your day that way and if you love to exercise in it's a big part of Your Life. I always pop them in right after exercise because your subconscious is actually more toward the surface. Too that's why we get that high from working out and this stat this process. Is this mine. Matrix takes about sixty seven days and we can talk about that process. And what's going on if you'd like but really if you've held a belief save since twelve or fifteen that you don't have what it takes you're not enough and in the process of sixty seven days through just listening doing this processing listening you can start to shift things. I don't know about you jail. He but I want to do this all day long. I want actually choose what goes in now fire nation. Once you can choose and once you can control the inputs and of course then which is controlling the L. puts. Why would you ever go at any other path? And if you think Shannon is even close to done drop in value bombs I mean. Obviously we have so much more value coming your way when we're talking about building a money mindset of a millionaire entrepreneur or when we're talking about steps to remove overwhelmed which I think is super relevant in today's world two different things at the brain's actually hard wild hardwired for that is usually the Anti thesis for an entrepreneur and so much more when we get back from thinking our sponsors during this time of change. We want you to know that ZIP. Recruiter's focus hasn't changed. They're still doing what they've always done. Helping people find work in helping businesses. Find the right people for their open roles. If you're looking for a job ziprecruiter is working with you to find the right job faster. They are dedicated to helping you get hired from caretaking to delivering food and goods to building medical facilities supplying protective equipment and so much. More in fact Ziprecruiter's apple send you up to date job openings. So you can be one of the first to apply. And if you're actively hiring ziprecruiter will invite candidates to apply to your most urgent roles making it faster and easier to reach the people you need by connecting people who need jobs and companies that need people zip. Recruiter is working with all of us. So we can keep moving forward. Let's work together ZIP. Recruiter dot com slash work together. One of the biggest struggles we face his online business owners is building an audience getting traffic to your website. Podcast videos social media channels. It's not easy but there's a framework that you can start using right now to consistently drive your dream customers to your business every day. Want THAT FRAMEWORK. Great News Fire Nation. My Buddy Russell. Brunson is a CO founder of Click finals and has his business to a near one billion dollar valuation using traffic driving strategies as a backbone of his business in fortunately for the rest of us. He's one of the most generous people I know. In the online business world he just created a new podcast. Miniseries called traffic secrets to help. You learn how to borrow traffic from influencers. In your industry how to build an army of loyal affiliates embroiled ambassadors who costly promote your products. How effectively build an email list and so much more? Open your podcast APP and subscribe through traffic secrets now or visit traffic secrets. Podcast DOT COM so Shannon. We're back and I think the most enticing thing that I tease before the break was this money. My set of millionaire entrepreneur I mean it takes a certain mindset to get to that seven figure plus status. How do we build that? This is my favorite thing to talk about. Because I believe and I know you do too. I know we share this belief that we have these callings in these missions that we have to get out to the world and we talked before the break about what to do to remove the things that are the the governors and the brakes that are kind of slowing us down but the difference between somebody who hit that seven multiple seven eight figure mark and someone who hasn't is truly one hundred percent in the way that they think and you can see evidence of this all around you in the sense that people that you follow and people that you're you're modeling after right. Maybe they I'm thinking of like different people who do webinars right. You'll have you'll be doing a Webinar and you won't have much success with it but yet it's not the Webinar. That's actually broken. Because our dear friend. Amy Porterfield as Webinars in there multiple seven-figure eight figure ours. So it's not the system. It's the difference in the way they think. And we talked before the break about how your brain needs to believe it before you see it in my world in the Neuro coaching model. It's all around building a success. Pathway and all seven figure entrepreneurs whether purposefully or accidentally have done this. They've built a success pathway in their mind. They've believed one hundred percent that it was going to be done. They could see it. They could taste it. They could smell it. They can feel it. They were driven for it in the midst of not seeing it in their world yet I mean and that's really a definition of an entrepreneur. Right putting something out. That's hasn't been seen before but but the difference is when evidence comes up that contradicts that right like something is going exactly right or you get different feedback or it doesn't perform the way you want those that are in that seven-figure mark us that is fuel to figure out like it's just like an information piece right it's it's the things that actually creates more success versus the excuse to not keep going and the reality is you know they and myself and Johnnie. We've we all really do spend time being really aware of the thinking that we're creating and making sure it aligns with our future version of ourselves that we want and actually leaning into that future version of yourself now and one of the things one of the characteristics and traits that you see all the time in a millionaire and above entrepreneurs is there speaking it into existence way before it's actually exists and so in the brain what that's doing just like we were removing the the network that had been built if you picture in your mind freeways and if you've ever been to California la or even if you haven't but you have free ways in your city you can picture like a freeway. Just you know the cargo on one way it just. You can't really go opposite of it. It just goes well. That's what a neural network looks like. In your brain. Thoughts are energy when we repeat a thought enough it no longer is separate cars. It's like one big car. You can't automated you. You can't get out of it. You know those negative beliefs are automated. Once we start doing the my matrix it literally prunes those away in the success. Pathway it gets built exactly the same way one thought at a time from the future state of who you are believing it over and over again in the same way we bring private just like we were move the the beliefs that aren't serving us on the other side. We actually build them through audio day by day by day. And it's different than just visualization. Not that that's bad. It's different than vision boards. Not that that all those are good things. There like a piece of a puzzle but your brain needs to see it and feel it in. Taste it in here. It and I'd love to give you a story about some research that I was involved in. Just yeah show like how this can be demonstrated because we are so conditioned in our culture to to see it first and that's the difference between us right. We believe it before we see it. We were doing some research around. Success embracing priming. They don't call it that in neuroscience world they call it something different. That's just frame a phrase that I created but they were training these brains of these athletes and one Olympic athlete agreed to work with us which was really really cool and I was observing. I wasn't doing the research but I was observing. And it was the most powerful thing so he agreed to do it. His coach came in so is so basically what we did is we scanned his brain before. He's a swimmer and he wanted to add like a change in his strokes. Not a new stroke but just like a change like a re initiating from a different place of his body that was supposed to make it more efficient. Which would give him the like two tenths of a second in that sport and so we scanned his brain before we also did a muscle conductivity test to see there's like a small twitch muscle that needed to grow in order for that initiation to happen and so we get we scan them before this is very common in research win comes to brain wiring and success path building that you can see our brain actually building the memory of success before it's even happened so there's tons of research that's validated this. This athlete in his coach came. And we trained the coach because he had a trusted relationship and we just had him literally show brain. Every single day through all modalities visualizing imagining taste touch. Feel all of those modalities so we were it was very you know three dimensional. Every single day for the same amount of time he would be in the pool he never got in the pool for this ever and sixty seven days the same thing we talked about before he agreed to do it. We scan is brain before scandal after his brain after we could see the learned knowledge in the Memory Center of the brain which is not uncommon in research. Now that's how I know the brain needs to believe it. I however the muscle conductivity Tests showed a ninety six percent muscle growth in that small twitch muscle and he had never stepped in the pool. Wow that's the power that's available to you to create the sex that you want ahead of time and it's truly as easy as being in the practice of brain priming every single day until you see it manifest in your in your future state and then that's that's why tight money mindset to it because if you The evidence around you right now. The bank account the sales all those things are just evidence of the preprogramed beliefs that you've had from the past that are manifesting in the present. You know we think we're creating in the present reality. Were creating the from the past forward so their brains our brains we we have to. If we're passionate about are calling in our mission is we say we are not going to call you out on that a little bit not you johnny. But but you know we're saying I believe this is my mission. That's my calling. I have to impact. Well if that's you then there should be no funnel nothing else should be more important than training your brain right now to believe it right now before you see it before you see it in the bank account before you see your first client before you see it happen because it will manifest itself in the most beautiful miraculous ways and it's not always the way we exactly map it out you know we like to have all of the pathway lit up usually shows up totally crazy ways that you can never expect it. But that's just the abundance that's already available that we're just limiting fire nation so much value being dropped. I mean breaking down this entire process and still she ended. This is just kind of a fraction of your overall neuro coaching motto. Which is kind of hard to believe because we've been chatting for a while now so let's bring this home rica down for fire nation. Like what exactly is your neuro coaching model. And what do you really WanNa make? Sure fire nation gets from everything that we chatted about today. The big thing I really want you to take away. I'll breakdown the model but the big thing I I want you to understand is that you are the creator of your thoughts and your success and you can create the thoughts that create the success that you want so the model itself is how our brains wire anything so it wires failure and it wires success the exact same way and so I call it in the model. It's called the step Dr Process. You have a situation that happens right. You have thought about that situation. We know from neuroscience that thought center fires before the Emotional Center. We know that it's a fact now. So this is where you know people want to say no it's You know intuition. It's all those things. No that follows the thought so getting to know those thoughts that are happening in firing are so important once you have the thought it fires the emotional center of the brain. So it's a nanosecond. Trust me is very closely tied but situation creates the thought which creates the emotion. If you repeat that enough times it becomes belief. That's why we do the Brain Priming. Because we're we're actually trying to automate belief in your brain from belief is where we make our decisions and take our action and create our results and those are the steps that we walk you through in the neuro. Coaching model being able to in every situation. Because we're integrated human beings so how you show up in your business is how you're showing up in the rest of your life. You can't separate that because the brain controls all that so as you lean into this work as you really step into training your brain to transform your business and your life you start to really go through this model using the stepdaughter process in recognizing just tiny little fought errors and then re reorganizing him. So they work for you. You worked through the Mind Matrix and then we do a brain priming around where you WanNa go and removing those limiting beliefs and it's a powerful powerful work you know. I like to tell people that brain training like this through the narrow coaching model. It really allows you to get source. Meaning your brain based source space. Transformation versus symptom based shifts because we can always try to like outperformer. How Hustle in the moment? It might work for a little bit but you can't outperform out hustle your subconscious you really got to rewire when you do it. Rewires for your whole life so every piece of your life improves you. Always you know from my clients. I'm always asking you know. Tell me your experience. They're all like massive six seven and eight figure entrepreneurs and the media thing. They're like yeah. Yeah Yeah my my business grew by like I don't know three hundred percent but my life my friends my relationships because that's the richness that were doing it for anyway right. That's the thing that gives us the fuel so it really is As we said at the top of the interview your biggest secret weapon and your biggest competitive advantage is leaning into this work slowing down a little bit so that you can speed up in all the big places you want to speed up in your life. Man I'm taking so many news over here. Fire nation in Shannon. Finish the sentence for me. You can't outperform or out hustle your subconscious think about that fire nation you have to rewire it. That is such a powerful sense of all the things. I've been taking notes on writing down today. That is such a biggie. So Shannon you've done a great job with us here today and again just one quick roundup like what is one thing you just WanNa make sure that fire nation really can just walk away with and say yes this is a huge takeaway then share with us how we can connect more with you with what you have going on. And then we'll say by some so I think the biggest takeaway. I really want you to know the things that you want. Those big desires as big dreams as big visions are one hundred percent in your control. You can't control other people but what you can do is control the thinking and really create the thinking that will create what you want most in life and gives you the power to remove the things that have just put the brake on you know so many entrepreneurs they've got the they've got the pedal down right they're going they believe they're trying and so it's like they've got the foot on the gas and they've got the foot on the brake because they haven't removed these sub-conscious speed bumps and once those are start to get rewired. You actually stop going in circles like you're feeling right now with the foot on the gas and the brake and you just go and so being the creative your thoughts and really leaning into training. 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Full Show (Rob Gronkowski to the Bucs, Belichick + Arians, Kerr on Pippen, MJ vs. Brady, Jimmy G)

Skip and Shannon: Undisputed

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Full Show (Rob Gronkowski to the Bucs, Belichick + Arians, Kerr on Pippen, MJ vs. Brady, Jimmy G)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host Jerry Taft. This podcast is the full show from today's episode of undisputed from start to finish. They've got a busy slate. So Skip Shannon. Let's get to it. Good Morning Welcome Dr Student. I'm Jake Tapper skip bayless and Shannon Sharpe guys. We got some big news. What a big news would it be museum? Here you know. Shannon and Ginny Rob Gronkowski. Did a great job last. Nfl season working with us here at Fox. So now he's GonNa win. What a couple of more super bowls with Tom Brady. And then we hope you'll come back. Talks Okay I'll be the bad news guilt but I don't really see that happening all right all right. Let's get right to it because guys it is going to be a reunion in Tampa this season. The Patriots have agreed to Trade Rob Gronkowski and a seventh round draft. Pick to the Bucks for Fourth Round peg now gronk obviously did retire after the two thousand eighteen season but he said yesterday. I always said when I have that feeling and it feels right. I will be ready to take the field again and I have that feeling. I am ready so Shannon. How much better does this make some bucks next season? I think he helps. But there's a big question mark. We don't know what we're going to get skippy remember. Before the last season that he retired coach. Belichick tried to trade him. He tried to move into Detroit and grand said I would. I would rather retire than not play with Tom Brady. And so they brought him back and it turned out very well but skipped his last season. I think he missed three games. He had his lowest number since rookie season. Fifty two yards per game. Only an Tadic real low with three touchdowns so we don't know what we're going to get because he has an extensive Lynn injury history. I counted eleven. Andrew's going back to two thousand nine in college. We have back surgery. Fractured vertebrae torn. Acl MC L. Chaz lung contusion herniated disk it up. You know all about his injury history and now you don't really lie guys. We injury history especially as they start to age. So I'm interested to see how you feel about. Trump GROG IS GONNA be on north side of thirty With the injury history. So that's unknown INSKIP. We know when this young man well. He's not young anymore but we know what Gronk can do when he's healthy and he did that healthy and I'm not so sure. He was happy because it seems to me when the feeling got right once he could be a possibility he could be out of New England. So it's going to be very interesting to see what this means. They're probably going to move on tight ends. I don't see them. Keep in three tight ends of this caliber on the roster. We'd never know but I would be surprised if that were to happen. Because they did give a round pick pick and so maybe they can move. I'm thinking they're probably move. Howard tried to get a second or third round pick for him but could become Oj. How the mislead talented skip out of mean think. He's scratched the surface of how good he can be. So I think he would probably be the odd man out but still goes to walk again. Everything comes back to how how healthy his he remembers give. He's a year removed. This is not like someone just starting. You know you know what I'm GonNa take six months off. I'M GONNA take Europe and go pick back up at a normal job. This is coming back playing collision football at the highest level. Because wrong has a legacy. He has a mixed bag tation of how he should and could play. And so that's what we know. He is if it remains to be seen if he can be that once again. Shannon Shar say Super Bowl. Can you see the seven nine box? The suck any years in next year's super bowl which happens to be in their home stadium. I can I think this is the move that puts this team over the top. I told you I really liked his team just with Tom Brady. And all those weapons that he did not have last year in. New England and all of a sudden. I love this team and Fox bet loves this team because the odds just vaulted from sixteen to one to win next year's super bowl all the way up to twelve to one which is one notch up above the New Orleans Saints. Who Happen to be in the same division with. Tampa Bay buccaneers there at thirteen to one so all of a sudden Brady and grants team favored over drew. Brees and Sean Payton's Team I love it and I love love. Love the bat that we already made. You Bet made the New England patriots record next year then the Tampa Bay buccaneers. I said twelve and four for the box. I'll stick with my twelve and four though I it's with a bullet now and I said eight. I'm not even sure they can go. Eight hundred eight so I love love. Love Love Love my there and I like Gronkowski's chances next year. Would Tom Brady because as you know? They are like brothers. Gronk had burned out on bill belichick and the tyrant in the dictatorship that bill checks sort of ran for all those years that Brady and Gronk were together New England. I think both of them burned out on it now. They're going to be reunited under a coach. Who is fun to play for Bruce Arians in a not good but great offense of sees system featuring two other as you mentioned very good tight ends and too pro bowl wideouts that means that the onus the pressure the responsibility will no longer be all on Gronkowski? You can mix and match him with the others and again this is just me. I'll get into this just a minute. I don't WanNa see them trade OJ. Howard I can't believe that Belch didn't demand in return. Oj Howard but he was somewhat in areas doghouse last year. He's still a young player coming of age. He was a seventeenth overall player. Picked in that draft in twenty seventeen. I still think they need him to take some of the REP soft. Bronx GRONK can be used sparingly through the regular season and be completely fresh for the play offs and there are going to be playoffs for what used to be the Suchan ears and remember. Gronk needed a year off. Shannon at this stage at age needed one year to heal up physically and psychologically and mentally. He said he'd lost his joy. For Playing Football Bruce Arians and obviously would Tom. Brady will bring back that joy he needed now to play in warm weather and Shannon view and I know how much warm weather can help those creaking old bones of place where he won't be asked to do nearly as much you can flex him out in the formation you can play more in the slot. He's still the best blocking tight end in football if you WANNA use him some in run formations. That's fine but the two of them together to me. You WanNa talk about crazy momentum. They're going to create Shannon. We're talking about took two goats. Were talking about Goat Brady and go the greatest tied in you have admitted on this show. He's the greatest tight end ever. He's even a little bit better than my man. Shannon Sharpe was and my man Shannon. Sharps send the hall of fame. So he's just thirty so it's not like he's thirty seven like Jason. Witten was when he tried to come back after a year. He's still thirty and I believe that refreshed he. His personality is as we know. Maybe as big as any personality and sports I say on name recognition just on star impact if you want to call it q factor. You have the two biggest names in pro football. Tom Brady Rob Gronkowski. And suddenly there in Tampa and Tampa acquired both of the both of them for no more than a fourth round pick which is actually more like a fifth round pick because they also got a seventh so that SORTA mitigates the fourth and makes it more like a fifth so they just stole two goats for a grand total of what amounted to a fifth round. Pick that is momentum that is star power that that is bringing two guys into a system that a culture that needed to change and realise how great it could be with sore weapons and now five weapons that. Tom Did not have last year in New England. And what I loved about this Shannon Sharpe. Is that Tom Brady. Now has one guy he completely knows trust and can depend on under fire in the clutch in big games big battles within their division against New Orleans or in big playoff games. I was a little concerned that Tom with a quarantine shortened pre season next as we go into next football season. And we still don't know exactly how that's GONNA fall out but if it's shortened. If it's abbreviated at least he's got one guy that he completely trusts in fact. This was the greatest security blanket. I think any quarterback is ever had was ROB Gronkowski and I know. His numbers were a little off in his last season that he played in two thousand eighteen but when it came time. Do you remember who caught the biggest pass on third and ten at Kansas City and overtime the third of the three third and ten conversions went to Rob Gronkowski? Do you remember who started and finished the game? Winning drive in the Super Bowl against the rams first and ten on that that drive in which Brady completed four straight passes I one went to Rob Gronkowski and the last one went to rob Gronkowski for twenty nine yards down to the to which scored the game winning touchdown so I saw playoff gronk and by the way he owns every stat. He's the greatest playoff tight end receiving receiving tied in that we've ever seen and now. I think he's reinvigorated re sort of reinvented in Tampa with Tom Brady. And now I love their chances of not only winning the division but of competing for next year's super ball say it with me Shannon Sharpe Super. It Ain't GonNa Happen when I look at this move and and looking at my time line. Yesterday a lot of people are surprised. I'm not surprised. Well put it like this. I'm not surprise coach. Belichick traded him. I'm surprised that he wanted to come back because he's seen like he was very happy. You know he brown myself and Tony Sutton now. I think it was last year. Skip right before the season started and talking about the evolution of the tight end position in high transition to more throw into the tight end have opposed to a blocking so. He seemed very happy working on working at Fox. The game show. He seemed very happy doing the wrestling thing. So I was. I thought he was content in his normal life away from football. I love surprise coach. Belichick traded him because coach. Jake try to try to trade him two years ago so I'm not surprised by that. And he had more than people like well. He only got a fourth round pick mitigating circumstances basically as a pig. But I think when you look at it. Growing hat is worse. Even statistically there's rookie season and he took a year off skip. I think those are mitigating circumstances. That led to him only really having to receive a fourth round pick. Now had grown played last year. Played like the Gronk of own. Now I'm thinking you're going to see something like a second. Maybe even third round draft picks gift. But you do have to emits the year. He's going to be thirty one. At the start of the season he does have an extensive history was killed when the man plays he plays extremely well and I'm looking at how many games. He's missing his career in his career. He missed four games. That's almost four games a season. There's no question in my mind. This man would be over one hundred touchdowns had he been able to take the field. It all those games. And that's the thing that I hate most of my heroes. I wanted to see what he could have been. We know how dominant he is. But what could he have been had? He not missed that time with injury in the history of extensive so skip that is an unknown. Would a guy takes off? He takes he takes a year off after he has his worst statistical season. So there's an unknown there but if he can come back at eighty percent of what he was healthy skin even going to be tough to deal with and I expect to play a lot of twelve personnel. Skip that's too tied in two wide receivers in one running back. Twenty one personnel obviously is too wide receivers to bats. One died in when you have those kind of on the fields give. You don't want to leave one of them on the sideline you won't his blood. On the field. So play a lot of twelve personnel a remember skill Aaron Hernandez a grump that with a year. Gronk said the tidy. What topic you tied it with sixteen receiving touchdowns when they played heavy twelve personnel. So Tom is very familiar. With this formation. He has no problem. Throw into the idea with those two dollars. Outside with Godwin and Mike Evans and two tight end set. May they'RE GOING TO BE TOUGH TO DEAL WITH SKIP? They'll be up to be a whip Shannon Sharpe? How are you going to stop this offense as directed by the Great Offensive Lines? We've ever seen in pro football and Bruce Arians and the Great Tom Moore. Who was Payton's coach early on in Indianapolis and combined the Tom? More sort of advising Byron left which is obviously the hands on sort of offensive coordinator. Bruce Arians will coordinate this offense and you have obviously Mike Evans and Chris. Godwin made the pro bowl last year. Remember Jamesy Winston threw for five thousand plus yards in. This offense led the league in passing yards. And he's not exactly Tom Brady. So if you clean up the thirty five turnovers thirty interceptions and five lost. Fumbles and you put Tom Brady at the controls and you let him occasionally changed. Plays an option routes at the line of scrimmage. Help me out here. You played the position. Are you going to double Gronk? You're going to leave him in single. Let him just rip you up the seam or on those crossing routes on third and five where you just can't cover him. He's six six two hundred seventy pounds now. He has lost weight obviously. I think that's a good right. I think that's what he needed to do this late in his career and again he's only thirty. I think he's got three. Or maybe maybe three prime years left but the point is how do you if you're a defensive coordinator who do you double? I say you can double nobody. Because even with Cameron Bright. Who's an excellent red zone target and Oj Howard? Who's flat out? Baby Stud who who hasn't sort of grown into his ability just yet. What who? Who Do you stop? Who Do you say? Let's take him out of the attack because Gronk requires when when he's brock and when he's right he requires two people to cover him your rights and I think the thing is early on. They're going to try to. I don't know he has made recognition. He's wrong. We'll have the number eight seven. Juries obviously skip. He's gone but I think early on teams are going to make him prove that he's still that same guy so you might see a lot of coverage you might see a lot of you know. I don't think they're going to double him right out the robot the box until he proved that he's still some resemblance of what he was before he left. I don't think you start right away. Skip and says okay. We're doubling rock and we'RE GONNA lead you one on one outside with Godwin and evidence. I don't think that's going to happen. That's I could be wrong now if he gets in the preseason. I don't know how much if there is going to be a preseason or how much he's going to play but if he gives gives the impression that he's resilient of himself within you have problems. I think the things get really why say. Oh Gee how would probably the odd man out? Because I think Ba has been buried. Harbors areas have been very hard. He's like yeah when you all the ability is there. He's he this tall. He weighs this much this year. But I don't see the production on Sunday so bruise areas. He's going to tell you exactly what he's thinking. There's no wonder what be as thinking. I'm wondering how he feels about. You know you know how he felt about James because he told you they ask them a question that you think you're GonNa win with another quarterback. We went with that one. I'm sure we can win with another one and when you said Yeah. Oj How would measurable czar? But I don't see the production to match those measurable unless you know well but what he is and how fast he is. How BIG HEELS? That production does not match up so I. That's why I'm saying. I think he might be the odd man out but if Gronk is a resemblance eighty percent of what he was. The League is GonNa see you're going to have their hands. But I tell you what you even withdrawn Tom Brady you notice. They didn't jump in front of Kansas City. Baltimore even when even when Tom rated they still don't have. They don't homeboy Il Il Jack. Wildfires guilt Well those guys are in the what's called the AFC if you remember so. I'm just like in them to get to the Super Bowl and I do remind you know home team has ever played in a home super bowl and the next super bowl is in Tampa Florida. So I'm starting to like mid to be chances of Goat Radi and go gronk in Tampa to take a team freely talented but just needed a culture shock. Change needed to be taught how to win. I like their chances. And by the way on Oj. Howard I still love him and I still believe they need to hang onto him Shannon. Because he's the more talented tied in between him and Cameron break. Member Cameron are Verd- A undrafted in two thousand fourteen and last year. Oj Howard played significantly more snaps than Cameron. Bright Camera Breaks Good Blocker. And he's a good red zone target because he runs sharp. Precise routes we get that. But the stud the talent the supremely gifted one is OJ Howard so I would hang onto. Oj Howard and maybe even feature him at points during the regular season to take some of the wraps off. Gronk and try to keep him fresh. I think O J Howard is too valuable to give away even if somebody would give you a to form ahead of the draft. I still think they should hang onto him. And I'm shocked that they got to hang onto him while adding brock. What you think. That coach Belichick would probably want some conversation back in return as far as tight end. But they're so far up against the cap they probably will have a dollar fifty cent lift. Cap Space. So he wasn't a whole lot they can do. That was one of the reasons that was so readily move on from GRONK. Wrong HEATHERTON CAPI. So you hold on him new way over and coach. Belichick seemed to be trying to rebuild this thing. Get this thing up out of a cap because he knows. Give you got draft picks. They still got first round draft pick. So they're gonNA have to more money. That's going to have to go out so I think that's one of the things I can't disagree with you will OJ. Howard you might keep him in. Hopefully he gets an opportunity to see how gronk prepares see GRONK study. See HOW GRONK PRACTICES. See How gronk plays and then that might be something when wrong moves on it. They just think it might be just a one rental but at least you would have that knowledge. That GRONK was able to partake on him and he was able to pick up. And you say okay. A switch goes off. He said okay. This is how I'm supposed to play the title of the position. This is what I'm supposed to be skilled. That guy has we. You remember in Legend Championship game. One game two five oh five catches in the next season. He came back with about eighty five or six catcher so he have potential to be great. Just a matter of the switch needs to go off. He understands you just can't out tell and guys in the NFL because all his talent you could Alabama will you have the mortality football team but in the NFL. Everybody has that and so he just needs to fine tune some things he can be special skipped. He really can't be in by the way. He's still on his rookie contract so he's scheduled this coming year to make only two million dollars so it's not like he was a high a big ticket item but Shan and need to go back to the point I was making about. How Rob Gronkowski is the greatest ever tied in the postseason? Just to throw a couple of quick numbers at you. All Time Career playoff receptions. He leads all tight ends at eighty. One there's this guy named Shannon Sharpe who's tied for third. There was sixty two. That's that's not bad with Jay Novacek. Nahmad time receive ers in the playoffs for a tight end. A GRONK is one thousand one hundred sixty three Shannon sharps tied for fourth not bad at eight hundred and fourteen and then how about touchdowns big play shade touchdowns wrong all time. Postseason has twelve touchdowns Shannon shockingly is only tied for eighth at four touchdown so big place. She wasn't quite as big play in the postseason. I don't know I just throw that out there. Though growth have more big plays. I was big play. I just get you one. I want per game as I started as killed. That's all I had him but he's he's dominant okay and that's why you will skip normally guys that move away from the game after they they scroll of the last year and I don't think he's just think like you said he's worn down mentally physically emotionally and he needed to break and so having scrolling little bit with the injury nagging injuries last year. Take a year away from the game. Bass whatever willing to make this move. There is no downside of this. Even if he doesn't come in and he doesn't give you a gronk walks worth there is no downside to this. There's only upside and you have to be willing to roll the dice. No risk no reward. I Like I'll skip through those numbers and just for context. That was important guys. We do expect next season by you. Know why did ballot check? Get a raw deal. Sending to the box we go deeper. Welcome back undisputed. Well the Patriots have agreed to Trade Rob Gronkowski and a seventh round draft. Pick to the buccaneers for only a fourth round. Pick in return so Shannon. Did Bill Fella chat get fleeced in this trade? Believe so skip I think like I said remembers give. He tried to trade him earlier now. He's trying to trade him. He traded him now after knowing that Gronk had been out of the year and saying that the only way I'm playing I'm playing with Tom Brady. You can't put him on the open market because he's already made that public. I'M NOT PLAYING. Brady's my quarterback so what are you? GonNa get bored. It's giving you remember. There was a situation where Mike Shanahan. My former coach tried the trade jake plumber to the Tampa Bay buccaneers in John Room. And Jason. If you train me I'm going to retire. Well my call is Blah and traded it in Jake. Plummer retired social scale. I am not going to give a trade trae for someone that's retired for draft pick and then and then I'm out of a draft pick no code. Militate did have a whole lot of leverage. He got what he could glove remember. Still coach Bela check did not anticipate grunt giving him anything. He retired so I don't anticipate anything. Skip about pull something outlets John. I'm not calling trade. What I'm saying if I said something side to curb somebody saying like throwing this away. I'm like yeah how about I give you fifty bucks for it okay. I'm in no position argues. I didn't WANNA anyway. I didn't anticipate having living go skill. If you and I both know has had a great season. Let's just say he plays Lesher. Forget the seabed. He plays last year. He has tape. And let's just say grop seventy eight touchdown if hard for me to believe that coach. Belichick can't get at least at minimum third rounder without having to give up giving up that seventh rounder. But because he took that Europe because his numbers were customarily the year before. I think that had a lot to do with it. Plus get like I said could only have a dollar fifty cent and cap space. What else do it to me so I don't think he got pleased. I think Coatesville Checks Code. But what do you see this? He wants guys. That won't to be there. I think those other two gathered visit kind of worn them bills. And when you're young you can tolerate a lot of things whether as I got older manures starting to free and all that yelling in stuff over gay to repeat it gets only nerves. Mike Shanahan my coach. Brian Billick was loving light. Bill Belichick I can imagine but I remember steel lane. Johnson said they're not having over there. They're all still veils. Their body cremated and Lord behold just not two years later the whole Bain with the shambles. You have not heard me condemn coach bill checks culture just because Brady and rock finally burned out on it. And said that's enough obviously. Tom Lasted twenty years. And I can't argue obviously with nine super bowls in six rings so it was working in large part because Tom Brady helped make it work because he was always the buffer. The mediator in the locker room telling all the younger players. It's okay just swallow it. Bite your tongue do your job like he asked you to do. And we're going to win rings. And because he set that tone and example a continued to work but again to your point bell check did want to trade gronk before his final season which was two seasons ago and he had a deal in place with Detroit for a first round pick okay. Fair is their first rounder for Rob Gronkowski. Greatest tight end. Ever at that point he was still twenty eight years of age and yet gras said No. I ONLY WANNA play with Tom. Brady so to me back to gene's question the harder I look at this the more it feels like bill. Bill Check did get fleeced and maybe wanted to get fleeced. Maybe he wants to to say to the world hate. I don't need Tom Brady. I'll let him go for nothing. I don't even need Rob Gronkowski. Basically give him away for a fourth and also give them a seven so it's sort of as we talked about it actually mitigates to this so so I basically he's saying I I give him away and I'll show you I'll take all these spare parts these faceless nameless cogs and I'll rebuild on the fly here and I'll win without them and I think that's what he's trying to do because Shannon I get it that Rob Gronkowski was not going to play for Bill Belichick. That was a done deal that was a given but the other half equation was he only was going to play for one man one team and that was Tom. Brady's buccaneers so belvoir had too no wait a second. I do have leverage here. Because that's the only place he's going to go and they desperately would love to have him. They don't need him. They still got quality tight ends but they don't have rob Gronkowski and obviously behind this lanes. Tom Brady was pushing like crazy psycho. Tom was going psycho over. You GotTa get this done. Well if you've got to get it done then either A you give up. Oj Howard tied in for tied in. And I would have been fine with that swap as much as I believe in the future of Oj. Howard I still think that would have been a fair deal for both sides a good deal for both sides and that didn't happen so then as a fallback you'd say to Tampa will give us give us a to give a second round or for Rob Gronkowski. Because I still believe Tampa would've done that. Tampa has a second rounder in this upcoming Thursday night draft bill check gave up his second rounder for Muhammad Sununu. Even you said swing and Miss Village Jack in seriously Shannon when I when I step back from this I say well. Obviously bill is an all time. Great Defensive Football coach. There's no doubt about that and you can certainly make the case as you often do that. He's the greatest football coach ever. I Still Think Bill Walsh but we could fight about that or another day but when we talk about team building we talk about trader bill. He's looking all time bad because just in recent memory he just gave away. Jimmy G. I don't know what it was. Was that a spite new because he was forced to Trade-in by Robert Kraft. He just he calls up John Lynch and call Shannon and says hey I gotta deal for you would you give me a twofer Jimmy Garoppolo. And they're like seriously they thought it was like an April fools joke. Yeah Yeah we'll do that. We'll give you a two for Jimmy G. And they got their starting quarterback. And we're gonNA talk about later because they had a chance to get. Tom Brady and decided to even stick with Jimmy G. that they stole for two. So is that a spike trade by bill. I have no idea but then we go to remember he did. I thought pretty much gave away. Jacoby were set another quarterback developed. Who's been a starting quarterback in a decent starting quarterback? In this league. He gave them away for Philip Door. Set whose nail dawn to Seattle. I don't you don't trade. A potential starting quarterback for kind of a bust of a first round pick wide receiver in indy. Who did some nice moments for Tom? Brady? But but not like would you be percents done? We talked about the deal. That was just a swinging amiss. And then I don't know Doron harmony just traded away to Detroit for a fifth round pick and drum was a starter for this team last year for New England so Shannon I I don't know it looks like Trader Bill Is. He's looking worse and worse. I want to stick to this tree but you have to understand that. What if I'm not mistaken? Skip they were gonNA trade grow and either second or third for Detroit first round pick and I think the thing is what you house will have to understand. Grant was the first all pro tidy and he was went to the pro bowl. So that's what you have. So that's what you bargained with right there and like you said he was under the age of thirty so I can go to look. This is the best tight end in football. He's under the age of thirty. He just had an all pro pro bowl type of pro bowl season. Yeah if you want him. This is what is going to take. Now take that away. The negative his worse even fifties rookie season tied career touchdowns with three and the year after that he not the entire season skill. A fourth-round peak is more than what the Patriots they would get from. Rob Gronkowski this season. Because they did not anticipate him playing at all so at least this look if he gonNA play for me. He wants to play over there. I got a problem with. I just got scared. That just goes to show you our military our care. I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED. If Julian Element by gay traded. There he might get released but the thing is if we mentioned too in all of his injury history should we bring that up with grop would injure his our the other side of thirty because he's GonNa be thirty next month. You keep talking about thirty. He's one month wait now. We know what he can be but if injury history inexpensive he's been injured more time to we care then. He wished that he had been there. So I think code militant guy would he can get given the circumstances given that. Gronk had let it be known publicly. I mean the players were Brady or not played so you let you don't have the leverage that you was having escape that's why you won't you won't plans to keep trae requests hush because what's become public you lose a lot of the the ability to get fair compensation not that you're going to get fair compensation looking at basketball because they play of let the right. Would you WANNA keep that demand out so you know it just comes out of blue? Oh really okay. Yeah we'll give you that like in God Jacksonville Skill. He let it be known. Well I will get fair compensation. If he's doing he's he's arguing with the older son on twitter and letting it be known he won't. How are they able to get fair? Compensation Okay back to one quick point that you made the proposed. Detroit deal before this is going back. Two years ago before his final season in the New England rocks the proposed deal was new. England was going to get a first round pick. They were just going to trade places with Detroit in the second round so that was on the table. That graphic rock successfully vetoed it. Because he said. I ONLY WANNA play with Tom. Brady I don't WanNa go to Detroit now back to OJ Howard again. I have read this. I have heard this. I don't know this for a dead solid fact but I think belichick has talked to Tampa about trading for OJ. Howard in the past so there was already interest there that had never come to fruition. So I still don't understand how he couldn't have pushed for and finally one OJ. Howard the only plausible theory here is because Oj did wind up. Some in Bruce Arians doghouse last year. Because he's still you know he hadn't quite grown up yet. Is it possible? That bell check called Nick Sabin and obviously they're very close. There is a documentary done on the two of them are sort of a sit down with the two of them did he call Sabin and Sabin warned him off. Oj. I I don't know but I'm pretty sure because I've heard read this so many times. I'm pretty sure belichick at least kick the tires of trading for OJ Howard before so how? Tam Welled up with Gronk and kept OJ. Howard is beyond beyond belief to me because Tampa can use. Oj Howard is. We talked about earlier to take some of the REPS OFF. Gronk and try to keep him fresher for a playoff run so to me man. Bill bill turns out looking so bad because he he winds up he gives away a seven winds up with a four and and he's still has thirteen million in bed money on his cap from Tom. Brady so in New England. I'm sure you know Patriot. Nation has sitting back saying coach. Wait a second you just let two goats go to Tampa and all you have to show for it is a fourth. It's actually more like a fifth and wait a second. You still owe. You had to eat thirteen million dollars. A Brady's dead cap money. I mean. That's just horrible of on top horrible and then Shannon. Obviously I looked down at what just happened in free. Agency and New England did next to nothing in free agency and there was pretty much. This mass exodus. You can say they're all they're all just no name sort of pieces. But but they lost Kyle Vanden and set and Ted Cares. They're starting center last year. And Danny Shelton and a Landon Roberts and Jamie Collins. And they cut gus Caskey. And they traded as I just mentioned Doron Arman and all they added was help me out. If you know these people. Bow Alan Demure Bird. I know him a little bit from Arizona. Adrian Phillips Good Special Teams Player and they brought back Brian Hoyer for the third time and they kept Devin mccourty obviously and they tag joe. Tony and that's it. I just gave you their off-season and it looks like they are going forward with stood as in jared steadham the next Tom Brady seriously. So so Shannon. Are you sure about the Patriots? Having a better record next year than the Tampa. Bay buccaneers is. That's our bet was what it is now. I wouldn't be surprised if coach traded Joe Tunji because fourteen million dollars for guard that didn't make the pro bowl of. That's not an all pro. That's a lot of risk for a guy like Martin. That's not the kid. That's the kid. Indie that those are the two guards all the football. So that's a lot of money for a guy that's got and I don't get why he French I really don't. I guess they were afraid to lose him in so they like. Look come draft time. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA move in and I guess because you know Impreza skilled people being on things and they will not going to be able to get into a beating. What with anybody can. They were so cash-strapped strapped as you mentioned and as you say thirteen million dollars cap space is being eaten up by God does not even on your roster and. That's Tom Brady. So that's thirteen counts me that you could have if you found a way to some how do deal years ago. All they did was kept kicking the can down the road and they kill coming and it was gonna come to this and just had to make that balloon payment skin. When you look at it I just think with grunts injury history. I think retired in coming off a season in which he was not the GRONK that we're used to. I think that aided in the fact and coach Belichick just simply looked at least I can get a draft pick that draft pick might turn out to be a special teams player or contribute on offense or defense is so so what do I do. Hold onto a guy out of spite. That's not gonNA play for me. And not getting compensation or let him go and get some compensation and I think that's what he did give back to the OJ. Our skilled unit cost saving love Guys Alabama. Because they're called tobacco. Saber COZINE WAS DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR IN CLEVELAND. And they talk extensively so. I'm I'm surprised that they haven't pulled the trigger. So maybe with that when I look at it I don't think cold. Save Them because you see you've seen him. We've seen him come to bat for tour. We've seen them go to bat for other players that come out of Alabama. So let's give. I don't think he would say anything negative about Oj Howard. Like I said you never know but two million dollars not a lot of money but when you only got a dollar fifteen cabinet space two million dollars twenty million okay. So I'm going to give you an out right here right now. On live national television. We made a bet that I said Tampa would have a better record next year. The New England and you took it for five cases of Diet Mountain Dew. God's Breakfast of Champions and right now I will let you out of the bet for just one case if you just give me one case right now just because I feel sorry you and I'm so happy for Tampa today I'll let you out of the bad for five cases. Would you like out of the Bat right now. Can I can I can I sleep on it? Yeah Yep you can sleep okay or drink you under on that. Yeah GonNa Think Shannon. You got a little bit of time. Undisputed so rob Gronkowski's entire career has been under the tightly. Run ship of Bill Belichick and now for the first time we will see Gronk with Bruce Arians who is notorious for being one of the most player-friendly coaches in the league allowing his players. Much more freedom so Shannon. We'll grog run wild bruce. No no you will not run wild. Gronk of guy that likes to give. I think the biggest college midst compliment my teammates. The BERBERE play to me. You got a new. I played hard but they say Shanna made it fun and I was around coaching. That allowed me to be myself a lot of my personality shine through because they knew once. I got to the practice field in the meeting rooms. On Sundays I was going to be dead serious about the task at hand and that was to win football games but I wanted to keep the guys loose during the course of the week. Yes let's have put. We hit the field. It's all about that business but scale you look at Ron. Grunk is a guy that he knows how to turn it on. Turn it up and he was really the only guy that you could tell. That was his personality. I thought everybody else Gatica skipping. You remember the movie. Everybody would just roll by the exact same thing and wasn't hill and he led his personality show through but on the field. You could tell he was. He was very serious. He was very He cared about his task. He knew what his job was and his job was to go out there and dominate the game and he dominated the Games. I do not believe Ragas. Go to all of a sudden get down there and start. Just going bonkers. That's not him now. He's GonNa have fun now. How much money you can have in Tampa? I know Ebor city is really the only thing that's kicking and we don't know when they're gonNA open this back up again so what I think. Go down there. He goes skip. Remember now there's Rob Gronkowski legacy here. He can't hardly against thirty two touchdowns that would like. Would you come back for that? He's going to want to go out there and show he's still grab and he's still the preeminent tidy all the football yeah. I Know Travis kills a yacht George Kendall but hey wrong is here and so give out the he won't say he has something to prove. Prove it so I do not think he's going to try to run a muck and be a fiscal. I think he's GonNa be grop. He's going to have his fun but he's going to go out there and dominating making plays also. I hope you're right but I'll be the first to admit to you. I'm a little concerned about this aspect. That Ginny just detailed this recipe for disaster because obviously in the nine years that gronk played for Bella check was the token New England. Child Bell Check. Let him have a little bit of leeway he didn't let anybody else have and gronk occasionally bucked under that. Sort of those claustrophobic out of bounds. Lines that build on either side of every player and here we go. Gronk is free. Gronk is down in the sunshine. Gronk is reunited with his blood brother. Tom Brady under a Bruce Arians. Who has a favorite expression win or lose we booze gross? GotTa say Yeah I got this has been. Wwe And he's been having a blast in his year off and he's done a great job for us here at Fox and now there may be a part of who thinks man. This'll be like semi-retirement that would be recipe for disaster. Which is why I believe that both Brady and Gronkowski to make this fly like I could fly or going to have to assume new roles. I think Tom is going to have to become Bella. Check and I think Gronk is going to have to become Brady because the two of them are going to have to combine to reinvent the culture in Tampa. It's obviously been a long losing culture since they last won a super bowl after the two thousand and two football season and they've become known as the Suchan years and they have the worst winning percentage of any franchise in all of sports in history. And now these two with all their super bowl rings are going to have to say. Hey guys this is how we're going to do it now and I think Brady is going to have to not be such a nice guy. He's going to have to be a little more psycho. Tom His alter-ego to help show the coaching staff as well as the players. May and we're going to crack the whip here. We're going to get way down to business real fast and practices aren't GonNa be as loosey-goosey and we are going to be on time and we're not going to be five minutes late and if somebody screws up in practice. I think they're going to hear about it from Brady. The way we see the ninety eight bulls hearing about in practice for Michael Jordan in that behind the scenes video. We're getting to see on the last dance and I think Brady's GonNa have to be more driven than every ever before which is going to require. Gronk to grow up up one level to where he becomes the Brady in the locker room. Who's the buffer the this? The mediator and the young players are going to come to Gronk and say Tam is he always like that in practice and say okay guys yeah. He gets a little worked. Up for practice. But it's okay. Because he's got six rings we'd played or he played in nine super bowls. And it's going to be okay because he will show you how to win. If you'll just bite your lip and take it and learn from it and I think all those young players are going to have to learn from rock and Shannon you know and I know he has a High School Football Iq and you know. And I know he is the best blocking tight end in football and he's going to have to demonstrate that starting in practice that will rub off that will open the eyes of his teammates. And in the end you got to leave Goofy gronk behind you can have some fun like Shannon Sharpe had some fun but as you time to get down to business you gotta get way down to business and so I think you're going to see a rock in practice who listen. Nobody competes harder as competed harder than ROB Gronkowski. He's got psycho side to him to. He's not sun loving rock when it's when the ball gets kicked off so I think he'll become the brady figure the shortage of good cop in the locker room who can also demonstrate on the practice field. This is how we're going to do it. In listen to number twelve so brady becomes bill and GRONK becomes Tom. That's how I see it playing out but it's GonNa require rock to have a new level of maturity and commitment. Because if he wants to run wild you know. Arians is not gonNA stop him. He's not going to intervene on that. So I hope Bronco Season Delight down in the sunshine that he needs to take it up. A Notch of maturity skew. The thing about great players is that most coaches will give them great latitude but they don't abuse those privileges and I believe rob. Gronkowski is one of those guys coach. Belichick gave him latitude that he needed u The players and like when he was away from Football Yeah. He's slamming beer that he wwe and he's doing all that early owns deal. Gronk play to his character even tighter. That's why it's a willing wrestling. He's a character and he played to that but he's a damn good football player. So if you're going to do this on the field what you feel as long as you're not breaking the law have added thing for me. Is that my job was to get the guys ready to go practice. And there are days in training camp days during the season that might say in the morning. Okay eighty four you up to date but then Gary Kubiak will come to me later that afternoon. The balls don't think we're GONNA have a good day of practice if you're not there. So can you go force today no problem so now? It's my job skill to get the guys ready to go. Pride this to let Martin Okay. We're ready to go play. We're going to be ready. Come Sunday we're going to be read into the preseason game that was my mindset skip. Yes might let me. Do you know we have fun. I was starting calisthenics. We laugh and joke teller. Jones was my whistle. If that's okay it was all business and I think grumpy gift that you mentioned it. I think Brady being there is that he's GonNa be book because of the thing is up Brady after being somewhere for twenty years. He knew everybody's personality he knew. Come on Jules. We gotta make that play or call. God we gotTa blood in there. He knows what to say how to say it will. He's going into a new environment so he's going to have to. Who can get on? Who CAN I kick in the book. Who can I put my arm around to make that play? Need you to make that. It makes that one guy skillful. Now he's GonNa. It's GonNa be a feeling out process that we're going to have to go through this because I understand that Tom is baby accomplished. But you have to understand what buttons which wants to push in order to get the most out of individual and I think the really good leader that I believe all time great leader. He will understand that and he will be able to get the most out of those guys but I agree. I pay grow up with Tom. Brady being the as the overseer will keep him on the street now but he had fun. Yeah so Shannon. I WanNa conclude this discussion with the fact that in no way do I see this as an indictment of coach Belichick system? It's not like Brady and Gronk said we can't take this anymore because it doesn't work they couldn't take it anymore because one had been there for twenty years in one have been there for nine and I do not begrudge either of those guys the opportunity to go to Tampa under win we lose we booze Bruce Arians known to knock off a little early and slipped nine holes of all. They're going to enjoy some of that taken. The wraps off the psychological wraps off. So it's not driven in the ground but again what coach? Bell Check has done in New England and again. I'm a bigger Brady Fan than bell. Chac. But what he's done for. Those twenty years is remarkable. It's all time all time any worked because he was a tyrant and he was a dictator and he was a little napoleonic and it helped he had or brady who bought in a thousand percent in who kept telling players. It's okay suck it up and swallow it and do what he says. But in the end that system worked to the point it got to nine super bowls and produced six rings so I still honor that system and yet Brady and together. They just said go have some fun. Let's you know we'll be all business. But we'll have some of that Shannon Sharpe Memorial Fund along the way the Patriots have agreed to Trade Rob Gronkowski and a seventh round draft. Pick to the muck and ears for a fourth round pick yesterday. Brock said quote. I always said when I have that feeling and it feels right. I will be ready to take the field again and I have that feeling. I am ready so skiff. How much better does this make? The Bucks Broncos Back Shannon Sharpe you know and I know how much I love my Dallas cowboys. And I've loved him since I was ten years old and attended my first game at the old cotton bowl in Dallas Texas and watch them lose to the Saint Louis Cardinals at that point. But I must admit to you this morning and maybe I'm a little carried away but I don't think so I now have a second favorite team in the NFC. And May I say without the usual emotion that I attached to the Dallas Cowboys? Winning a football game. May I say how? `Bout them buccaneers Shannon Sharpe. I'm sniffing I'm feeling I'm sort of hearing super bowl for Tom. Brady's buccaneers and I think Tom Brady is about as fired up as I am because he just released a tweet with new video that he in Gronk made and it's silly funny in which he's kind of blowing into a seashell down on the Tampa beach if you will calling birds to fly and here comes Gronkowski. No we're joining Tom. Brady in Tampa and it just shows you. How close these two are how much blood brothers that they are and how excited they're going to be just as box nation is going to be about suddenly adding to a seven and nine hundred eighteen two goats you got two goats you got goat. Brady and go rock the greatest tied into ever even my man Shannon Shar a hall of fame tied in acknowledged four years ago on this show. Gronk is the greatest tight end ever and he took a year off and he said he had lost his joy for football and I believe he healed up psychologically and maybe to appoint physically and he needed to join tom in a warm weather. Climate such as Tampa which is better on those creaky old bones and he's joining an offense in which Jameis Winston last year through for more than five thousand yards which led the whole national football league because he had to pro bowl wideouts. Tom Brady had no pro bowl White House because his wideouts in New England last year were last in the league in separation featuring a battered old Julian Edelman who led the league drops. Tom Knell has size weapons better than any weapon. The Ad last year in New England. So if you add rob Gronkowski who still thirty again. He's about to turn thirty one so he'll play next year at thirty one off a year off and with a newfound joy in reuniting with his blood brother under a Bruce Arians. Who's one of the great offensive minds in the history of the game along with Tom Moore? Who definitely qualifies as the consultant for this? Offense is one of the great minds offense of Leo ever and all the sudden if you put Tom Brady and place of Jameis Winston. I still say he could throw for as many yards. But the turnovers thirty five for James last year. Twelve more than any other quarterback in the entire league will be cut. What by two-thirds and suddenly you're going to have the most lethal offense in pro football. I think it will be beyond beyond even Maho boys offense in Kansas City's because you have even more weapons and Gronk can ease into it because you have two tight ends and I still can't believe that you didn't have to give the best one. Oj HOWARD OPT TO BILL. Belichick straight up in or trade so you have two more tied ins who can help take reps and burden off. Rob Gronkowski through the regular season so that he can be ready for the playoffs. Stretch and I'm going to remind everybody even though his numbers were down his last full season in New England twenty eighteen before he took the year off to work for us at Fox and do wrestling remember when it came playoff time after the two thousand eighteen season. Rob Gronkowski was all time all time rob. Gronkowski caught the third third and ten conversion. The Tom Brady pulled off in overtime at Kansas City in the AFC championship. Game and Rob Gronkowski caught the first pass that Tom through in that final drive that middle of the fourth quarter drive for a touchdown that won the super bowl against the rams the following year because he caught that one and then book candidate with the Twenty Nine Yard. Catch down to the to that. Actually set up the touchdown so he was all-time great when we last saw him so it's not like his production fell off in the playoffs. It did not all of the sudden. Do Double Gronk. Do you double Mike Evans. What if what if two titans are in what if it's Oj Howard and Gronk? What if they're both in slots what if you flex gronk out? What if you use that little Scotty Miller who's just a little lightning bullet underneath in short area routes sort of like Julian Amendola were for Brady in New England? All the sudden. It's unstoppable not to mention a defense. That was really coming alive coach by Todd. Bowles late in the year last year featuring a shack bear who led the NFL in sacks and a front seven that is loaded with with pro bowl talent and all of a sudden. I'm seeing a team that yell box bet vaulted from sixteen to one all the way to twelve to one in super bowl odds and it's one notch ahead of New Orleans at thirteen to one in that division. I love them to win the division. I'm not going to go so far as to predict they're going to win the super bowl but I give them a great shot. I need to see who they draft. But I'm going to give them a great shot to get to the Super Bowl and be the first ever home team to play in a home super bowl which is next year in Tampa way to go brady way to go way to go me for making the bet with Shannon Sharpe the Tampa will have a better record than New England. You're what about Jason Lot? He wouldn't have made happened. He win win. This radio got the Patriots to trade raw skip. The questionnaires came grop. Be Dominant like he was before or will he just dominate spots of the game? You mentioned that Kansas City game. You mentioned that Rams Game. He wasn't his dominant self but he dominated in spots. And maybe that's good enough if you remember when paid many went to the broncos pointing to well guess what he brought alone Brandon stokely Jacob. Tammie Brown guys familiar with him for million with the system now. I'm not saying that they're going to because that was paying system broadcast system and installed that and everybody had to learn that now. I'm not saying that's what's going to happen in Tampa scale but to bring a guy that I'm familiar with to bring a guy that I know in crucial situations. I can depend on will help Tom. Brady. Ms -ly. Now Fox got these guys at twelve to one now but if I'm not mistaken Kansas City and Baltimore still have better odds and still. I like playing on the road because if you lost home that means you had eighty thousand fans that were crying and disappointed in you ever poll do so for me. I like play. I like playing on the road myself. 'cause I like to put that pain on someone else to feel. The misery and we been home in law was look. Tampa seems to be gearing up. And poor gotta doesn't care a whole lot about his legacy. He showed trying to do a whole lot on the side of football to make sure it's Dave intact when you say skill but we'll talk about that. I'm sure they'll be other points in this year. They will get an opportunity to talk about. Tom Brady's legacy she's not the time I want to talk about his legacy. But I will tell you this offensively. If they're getting to be very good offensively the questionnaire can thirty-one-year-old Gronk comeback and contributing major injury after that particular. Yup and Tom Brady at forty three. What will he look like? Skip because at some point in time you know is happening. We age thing doesn't fail the same. They want their now. I'm walking see this being warm weather. Oh man that was a beautiful thing. 'cause they really play a whole lot of what? I've played in Baltimore played in Denver skipping you know but going to the Super Bowl at the practice again. Denver for that week and then go long and Fan Diego and wore Miami or practices. We can go in the warm Tampa. Ooh That was so there's no bones nights so imagine practice practicing in that year round. Yeah it will make a huge difference. I think the biggest difference is is that when those guys were nicked up code military had gotten practice. If they'RE LIVING UP IN TAMPA LL be as they're gonNA take the day off. Get healthy get your mind right. Get your body right. Let's be ready to roll on on Sunday. Okay so we look at the Tampa. Bay buccaneers next year might not have enough training camp to get to know Brady. That was my only significant concern going into next year when I thought they could be twelve and four in. Obviously if there's an abbreviated camp because of the situation we're all in. We don't even know exactly if or win the regular season will start but if it starts on time with abbreviated preparation at least. Brady. This is what I love the most about this to your point got a guy. He knows by heart that he trusts that. When Rob Gronkowski runs a route huby exactly weary supposed to be when he's supposed to be there and that Brady Controller at last year. It looked like he couldn't trust what was happening with. Sue or with Nicole Hairy. He would look at them. Like what are you doing? Because they weren't yet on the same page. He was always on the same page with Rob Gronkowski high football. Iq and right away. It'll be like riding a bicycle. They'll be right back on that same page on a bicycle built for two and even if it can only help let's just say in the red zone as a six foot six two hundred sixty or seventy pound target bully for him and again. It looks like he's lost some weight. Is that a good thing is. He goes into his early thirties yet. Could be a good thing. Maybe he's not the best blocking tight end as he used to be in football. And that's okay. Maybe he's just a pretty good blocking tied in occasionally. Maybe you need to flex. More blame in the slot is sort of a caused by just bigger wideout. That's okay because Brady depends on him. Brady trust him. And all the sudden you've got one weapon who's completely in sync with Tom. Brady and that's the best thing about this. That Brady got his own guy as they go into. Maybe a quicker start to the season that anybody would like when. I look at Grop. I think he's going to have to change the way he lifts. There's there's live different. You know I live different now. Laid put the body on the more stress when I play because I need to take those blows see skill as a Tom. Brady can use those bands and those cloud all that stuff but still you know when you take those shots like gronk going to be taking you have to retrain your body if he's going to have to get his mind cause not because he knows deep but now he's going to have to anticipate. How does that backside say frontside house back is going to get there? Learn how to fall all over again. But I'm not saying he needs to go back up to seventy or seventy five. Maybe two fifty to seventy five would be ideal weight. But he's going to have to get back onto the hour and put that body under stress again of lifting as opposed to walking around is Women Beers. He's going to have to change the way lifts. That's for sure. Okay but remember. He is reunited also with Brady's trainer and he loves pliability as much as Tom Loves. Pliability so I think that's going to be exciting for him to and I think you'll see a longer leaner more flexible brock than maybe saw in the past. I I don't know if if that program dictates getting under the iron like you're talking about so we'll see about that but my final quick point areas remember. They've got the fourteenth overall pick and right now. Mel Kiper has got them taking Andrew. Thomas who is that? Stud left tackle out of George out of the Atlanta area. That would be so great for Brady to have that guy. Because he's a three or start Georgia and you could just plug and play with him and then Tampa has got a pick in the middle of every round from there on two three four five six seven. He's got the middle round. Pick where they can keep taking. Maybe they take that Clyde Edwards hilarious. Really catch it. Run with it out of the backfield and be Tom's James White. I love the chances of this team. Especially let's see what they do with. The draft was looking to take an offensive lineman to shore that up to make sure Tom Radio protective of all things being equal. If one of those top guards if you can take what tackling putting my guard because what Tom. These particular skill is up the middle because he can slot play. But you want to keep people out of his face. That's where he's most vulnerable. And so if you can protect them up the gut guard the guard. Tom Brady should be just fine so I would have no problem with them taking up into black so excited for the draft and high expectations for this team. That said it was raw of Scottie. Pippen to have undergone foot surgery right before the start of one thousand nine hundred ninety seven ninety eight season because he could have had surgery earlier on in the summer. But here's the thing teammate. Steve Kerr did not agree saying he and plenty of other teammates. Really were not upset with pippen and the timing of the surgery. He said they held no resentment towards when he decided to get the surgery. Done so Shannon. Are you on curse side here? Michael Jordan Steve. Kerr sized skip nobably. Two things can be true. I believe Steve Kerr a Lotta. The other teammates. Were not upset. It's got it. They had the utmost respect to it for him. They knew Jay across. But to Scottie Pippen and should have renegotiating contract contrary with. Don't don't signed long-term. Don't come back. I get all that. But he should've renegotiate the deal. But I also believe that Michael Jordan was upset with Scotty Pippin. Because you know why he was upset. Those double skill only Michael Jordan legacy was going to be impacted had lost. It's gotta be. They lose Freeman Steve. Kerr loves that last year. Dennis Rodman Scottie Lou. Blown was Scotty. Berea only Michael Jordan Michael Jordan. With extreme itself Scottie. Pippen was selfish and self and first of all. I don't care if you Michael Jordan. I don't care if you've Michael Buffer. Who Care Michael Jordan? Don't you speak on my money? Now while Scottie Pippen was making two four eight million Michael Jordan who was making thirty three Megan. If you WANNA talk about being unselfish you should've went and Jerry across my. I love to make thirty three million brains and tin me. My money so is devastated. Thirty three twenty three impasse dwell pointy. That's what you should have done. Which is on that. Money should step to it. I don't shop would have done a I know you go all you do all that other stuff. We don't speak on my money now. That what we do here. You don't speak with another man but it's really you know and that's why you laughing you don't speak with another man's money might join that man selfish it will sell for taking all the money may thirty million one hundred and thirty three to next year. You should have said. Hey you know what I do. I can make auto. Because he'll tell me been telling everybody and maybe something came up that Prescott audie commercials audience money you more discount. Usa My head Hayes. My Head Gatorade. My head everything. Any got thirty three million. Not One time. Did you say Michael Joins US? Rail was let him get me. You Ain't do that issue but you won't that Prescott Dead Prescott seeing what he doing to give discount either. But I'll believe Michael Jordan was very upset. Scotty because he knew this was going to impact his legacy the other guys was gonNA have no berry. There was nobody. That was GONNA be stupid if they made if they won the championship was going to get into the hall of fame. Dennis Rodman was already going to be a hall of fame of the four championship in two defensive player of the year Scottie. Pippen was already going to get in the hall of fame so nobody else was going to be impacted like Michael Jordan was. Michael Jordan was upset. This guy did this this last day. It's a loss in the title game against a loss for the championship in jeopardy by him having foot surgery so late Shannon Sharpe once upon a time during a practice Michael Jordan. Step to Steve Kerr and pop them right in the jaw right in his music and I would submit to right now that as we speak Michael would like to step to Steve. Kerr again and poppy. One quick time right in that pretty face of his. I don't know from what you just said. Michael Might WanNa step to Shannon Sharpe though I think at this point as we see mypillow fifty seven. I'm not sure he can handle Shannon Sharpe. Now maybe back. In Ninety eight he could have hailed Shannon Sharpe though we would have been a good fight. I'll give you that. Here's my point I am so with Michael Jordan over this and I am so ashamed that I'm actually sharing a show with a man who just turned Michael. Jeffrey Jordan Selfish for wanting to win games. He Michael didn't care about winning legacy games. He cared about winning this game tonight. That game tomorrow and that game the next week he just was driven to win the next game before him. And the point was that Scottie Pippen was willing to handicap a championship team and sacrifice winning so that he could protest a contract that he signed a contract. That originally Jerry Reinsdorf the owner of the Bulls tried to talk him out of signing. It's on Scotty. He put pin the paper and ink to deal because he wanted long-term security and obviously as he rose in stature in the league fairly quickly. That contract got rendered obsolete fairly quickly. I get all that I also remind you. Michael Jordan took far less than market value for a whole bunch of years before those final two years to help the bulls have more cap flexibility to add some pieces around him. So I'm ashamed that anybody would think. Especially Steve Kerr that. Oh it's no problem. We don't have any problem with Scotty. He said Albanian. The Documentary Scotty says I didn't want to get surgery too early in F. UP my summer really guy hitting yes you you have a chance to for a second three peat for Sixth Ring. And you're saying I'M GONNA take my time on surgery and I'll be back at midseason when you really need me. And obviously they got off to a little bit of a rocky start. They started foreign four. And then all of a sudden Jordan said okay enough of that and I will give you. This Rodman started to step up and take a little stronger role in being the second star on that team and here they went and they went sixty two and twenty that year which was was good enough. It was just fine so they didn't really Miss Scotty that lunch and yet this this whole notion of. I'm going to wait on surgery because you're screwing with my contract that I signed y in the end this is why pippen wasn't Jordan. Jordan would have never thought like that Jordan. Just was obsessed in possessed with winning championships. Winning Games that led to winning championships. And there's no way he's going to sacrifice his team's ability to win so that he could could improve his personal contractual status. And I'm ashamed of Steve. Kerr saying net again. Steve's a nice guy and he loves everybody and it's like let's piece lobby. It's all okay if you need to do that. That's fine with us. Maybe say two things can be true. But I am with Michael Jeffrey Jordan on this and you should be too and I think you are still rails though. No hold on you. Keep telling me Scottie. Pippen was not. He was nothing and my jaw go. He did leave. Why were but it's got to have surgery. The day of the season started. Why are you worried about it? You Go Jubran telling everybody he got it pippen. Now all of a sudden it's got a different is a selfish because God is worried about Scotty. Scott it was in a very different situations give to people in his home that wheelchairs and he needed he wanted US security to make sure they can be provided for. I don't follow that man for that. I do not because I would have done exact same thing and a lot of time. I did or my career take less money because I didn't want my grandmother would ever have to worry about anything again with very own hood. Okay go ahead but you keep saying. Oh migrants say somebody to be when you mentioned thirty three million and you get another fifteen from Nike and you haven money. Madonna's money you get gatorade. Money is either say somebody says to me probably got nothing to opt appeal. The you're talking about that man. Selfish reminds me of a guy. Hold on then demarcus Lawrence says I tell you what your franchise giving them my money. I won't wait riding. Leave starting to giving them shoulder. No and what happens getting amazing. Now JEERED JERRY. Krause his good says I'm not redoing it Jerry. Jones work buckled. It had to do the deal so Scott tried to put as much pressure. He possibly could open a J. Cross with changes mad. He didn't but Michael Jordan was out of line. I don't care to go. I don't care what you are. You can be a buffalo following those speak on my money. Which side of your mouth are you speaking out of because out a one side over here you say? I'm just fine with PIP. Say and I'm going to take care of those people in wheelchairs who are living in my house back in Arkansas. Good Okay Great. Yeah take the money UP YAWNS THAT SECURITY UPFRONT. Sign the dotted line and live with it out of the other side your your mouth. You're saying yeah sacrifice. Make it harder for the team to win. You're obviously the second best player on that selenium it again. Michael show that year. He didn't really need him. He never really needed him and when obviously already had the team to himself. Ninety three ninety. Four Scotty boy in that game three against the Knicks and the playoffs. He took himself out of the game. That showed you that exposed Scotty for what he really was. He just didn't have the winner. Intangibles that Michael was born with and gifted with and that drove the Bulls. Michael didn't ultimately need Scotty Pippin. It was nice to have the second best player on the team. But it was Michael who spoke out and said it's wrong to do that to a team because everybody should be all in on winning the way. Michael was money or no money. Here you signed it you live with it. I'm sorry that's it. I'm sorry Steve. Steve thinks he's full of himself because he won three rings as a way to go. Is your any any way into San? Antonio was the marine might is easy to say somebody else's being selfish making thirty three million from the Bulls and probably another thirty plus million miles off the court. It's easy to say somebody else being selfish. When you got that Kinda gravy coming stopped asking Bug AMAC undisputed all right guys Tom. Brady and Michael Jordan are both considered by many to be the goat in their respective sport. Both have multiple. Mvp's both have six championships. Michael Jordan has the record for most points scored in a playoff well. Tom Brady has the record for most passing yards in a playoff game so shannon when you consider both of these all time greats who is more clutch. Explain this the best we possibly can because there no tomorrow put it on the list. I hope I can give some context people an NFL playoff game. If a game seven in every sport in North America Hockey Basketball Baseball. Football is because it's finite you move game. What's giving you remember? The ninety one final against the Lakers the Bulls lost the first game. So had been Paul over. There would have lost the vinyls. Tom Brady plea forty one game sevens and I thank you one of those games. The thirty one of those games to let that sink in for second imagine radical Jordan played five game sevens. He's three and two. Tom Brady played thirty. One Game Sevens. Cause that's what football playoff field. There is no tomorrow. There is no. May We love game. But you know we'll come back we regroup. We'll get them. Tomorrow is next year. That's one of the NFL playoff game. I said all of that and Tom Brady has been closed beyond clutch. I would trust my joy to take a shot as opposed to Tom. Brady told last-second pass. That's why I ask you. I'm doing okay. I'm glad you struggle with this because soda. I I am so conflicted because you know that Michael Jordan is is everything to me my all time. Yes layer out in a team. Sports Ali was my favorite. Competitor is a boxer in as just as a man for all the accomplished in yet when it comes to Mj. I I can't not go with him so if I if I have one shot for my life for my life I want Michael Jeffrey Jordan to take that shot but now to your point bigger picture. Even though Tom Brady doesn't have a signature shot like like Michael did at the end of his rookie freshman year in college. He beat Georgetown and the National Championship game with a fairly. It was fifteen seconds last last. Shot Down One game to your Georgetown. Got The ball back and screwed it up but still. He made the shot that won the national championship. And obviously he made the walk off shot at the end of his career that we're going to see at the end of the last dance game six. Utah I was there and yet brady while he doesn't have that signature. Walk off that. Pass that that the catch Dwight Clark from Joe Montana. Even though that wasn't a walk off but Brady doesn't have that act so while he's not more clutch than Jordan. He's been clutch more than Jordan because he's had so many more to your point sort of game seven opportunities including the AFC championship games. Because I got to throw in to his his vast resume the the two AFC championship games of recent memory when he came back on Saxon Villa when everybody thought they had the best defensive pro-football that year they're down twenty to ten early in the fourth quarter and he throws for one hundred and thirty eight with the twelve stitches in the palm of his throwing hand to pull them out of that game and then he follows that up the next year with going to Kansas City and completing and overtime converting three straight third tans just impossible to that on the road in the cold and those are just AFC championship games. And then Tom Scott. Six rings on six game. Winning fourth quarter drives so they're down every fourth quarter of all those games and he brings them back and sometimes you have said well. Vinnie tyranny won those games with fields. Special those first two games will look look at what Tom did as a baby his first starting against the rams in that First Super Bowl he completes passes John Madden's up in the booth saying they shut the kid down here and just play for overtime Brady go. He completes passes of five yards eight yards eleven yards and then with twenty nine seconds left. He completes a twenty three yarder a twenty three yard to set up the forty nine yard field goal. Okay so you gotta give him some clutch. Is there because he could have screwed it up and pick and then the next year he comes back Carolina and to set up the game winning field goal he completes passes of thirteen thirteen? Four and then seventeen yards to dion branch with fourteen seconds left seventeen yards branch. That's clutch man to set up the game winning goal so he had to get Viteri in that position and then need I bring up the fact that in the first Eli Super Bowl. He did what he always does late in the game he he drives them down. What was it first? Eli? Yeah it's eighty yards. He drove mayday yards. Down for a touchdown with two forty five left to put them ahead by four points and again bell checks defense. Let Eli Comeback. Seventy five yards for the game winner so again Brady did his part and could have had a fourth quarter game winning drive in the first. Eli In the Second Eli. He didn't have GRONK who was around. You know he had a bad ankle that that day and he still came within one kind of off target throw of winning net super bowl with the late. Dr and Wes Welker. I think should have caught that ball. And then of course and the other loss he throws for five hundred five yards and put up thirty three points on Philadelphia and bell checks defense for some reason Malcolm Butler bench that game. We still don't know why. Bill checks defense is up forty one to phillies backup quarterback. Nick foles so brady did a lot in that game. That could've made him an even bigger winner so when I look at Clutch nece over a vast expanse of time Brady has been clutch. More than Michael was just because Brady's had so many more opportunities and you know not to mention that against Seattle in the fourth quarter down twenty four to fourteen and one hundred twenty four and brings them back against the Legion of boom gets Atlanta down twenty eight to three in part because of a pick six through and he brings them back with two hundred and forty six yards passing just in the fourth quarter and overtime to pull that game out epic comeback. I don't know what else I can tell you except he's been clutch clutch clutch for years upon years but in the end. I'm with you. I still want Michael. Take my last shot to save my life skill. Maybe if me and then play the game of football skill but a game. Winning drive doesn't seem as dramatic as they walk off on run or last second game winning shock or somebody putting the puck into the net. Skip because it's a series of is like you mentioned. His team plays its fourteen plays where one shot in the ball over the fence or is one one slap at the stake in the punks or Jordan holding the poll. You like that's it and I think that's when people look at us they don't look at Tom. Brady is like gave a game. Where the drive out of the game when he throws they. Don't look at a game winning drive the same of the last second shot or walk off because it's a series of throws but for me like I said you think about it. Tom Brady one game. If if Tom Brady lose can think about is. There have been times that he'd lost in the divisional round. And it's over Michael Jordan. WanNa just one game. He doesn't get an opportunity to advance to the finals. So is not like. He went undefeated through all his finals. He didn't lose a game. Losing gave us over and so for me like I said Tom Brady has been more clutch one job. You WanNA shadow a pro skill for like you said for your life. I'm taking Mike Okay and yet to your biggest point. The reason it's hard for any of US Stephen. Put Brady in the same sentence or conversation with Michael Jordan. Brady just doesn't look the part or act apart. When when we think that forty yard dash she ran at the combine. He looked so unathletic so geeky so they think him more clutch Michael Jordan. Well Yeah like Michael. Never going to go away. Tom Brady especially with that coming up tomorrow. Actually do have more Tom Brady for you. Guys because forty niner. Gm Sean Ledge said they actually thought about pursuing Brady in free agency. We will dive in everything there tonight. On F S One watch our very own Shannon Sharpe win his second championship alongside John Elway in Super Bowl. Thirty three the broncos battle the falcons box words greatest games tonight at nine eastern on F s one and the Fox sports APP Shannon. Don't you worry I will be watching that one all right? This is interesting guys. Forty niners G. M. John Lynch. Well he admitted that he and head coach Kyle Shanahan. It did think about the the idea of possibly pursuing Tom Brady in free agency. Lynch went on to say that Tom all time great. You have to at least consider it. But then he went on to add that now more than ever they believe Jimmy. Garoppolo is the long-term answer for San Francisco so Shannon Jevon problem with Lynch saying this. Admitting it skipped I'm surprised. Normally general manager important office. People do not discuss internal conversations publicly. I don't know what compelled John to do this. But I think a lot of teams probably had this discussion skip and probably look at it like okay long term for the short term fix. This might be a good idea but long-term we're trying to build this thing for the future for the foreseeable future and where we are is where we need to be. I don't think Jimmy Garoppolo had a problem with skip for the simple fact. Elliott almost got a job the exact same way. They were looking to replace him. Coach Belichick was was looking to replace. How run it without a bit was looking to replace a brady with Jimmy Garoppolo? So I for me. I'll just surprised that he boys this publicly. Because we don't normally see general manager or front office people discuss internal conversations publicly but this golden shows. Whatever they everybody wanted him he was a month. Have we got the hair? Say We talked to a lot of other. Teams did exact. So you gotTa Kick Matar's did not die. I got I got it. Should major problems with this and for the record I love John? Lynch another former teammate. Of Ours here at Fox great player and I think he's turning into a great GM. But I think there to your point is a lesson to be learned here. I don't know where the wind is in acknowledging this publicly and the reason I have problems are number one. The message that you're sending to not only Jimmy G. but to your team. Hey everybody we actually pondered for a day or two replacing Jimmy Garoppolo man. You can't do that to your quote unquote franchise quarterback especially after. He went south in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl. He went three of eight with an interception. As you blew. What was it? Twenty two ten lead in the fourth quarter mostly because of Jimmy G. then missed Emmanuel Sanders wide open for a touchdown that could have should have won the football game for San Francisco. So I got a problem with what you do to his confidence going. Forward or the team's confidence in him going forward. But here's my bigger problem. You acknowledged that you seriously considered bringing in Tom Brady. And you didn't do it. Shannon. I'm on record. I tweeted during that fourth quarter. The forty niners would've won that game. Would Tom Brady at the controls and they could win. Super Bowls plural. Tom Brady the next two years back in his home area of the bay area. Obviously for the team that he grew up loving the forty niners. So if you acknowledge that you seriously considered it and then you say and yet a couple of days later kyle looked at each other like you know what we like Jimmy G. Don't tell me that because you're telling me you could have had Tom Brady. And don't tell me that if you had gone to. Tom and said how about coming home for your last two years that he wouldn't have done it even over Tampa Bay's situation. You can't tell me that because he does love him some forty niners. He grew up going to games at candlestick. Now they're playing south of that down and as you know in Santa Clara but the point is they have a terrific football team. They're still in the Fox Bat. There's still one notch ahead of Tampa Bay in the third spot Tampa Bay's fourth where they're twelve to one. Obviously the box of words no twelve to one now that they added Gronkowski but it would have been easy to get out from under garoppolos contract. It had an album laws that would allow you to get out from under him with very minimal penalty. So you see. I've talked about on the show constantly. I thought coming right out of the Super Bowl. They should have moved heaven and earth to get Tom to come home for his last two years and I think the jokes going to be on them and I can't wait for next year. I'm just hoping that the flu. Let's just say the forty niners in Bucks meet in the NFC championship game I got brady over Jimmy G. Thank you very much Jimmy. You're GONNA take a bow scale. Here's the thing you say to you. Don't miss doing that. Because if your quarterback goes south will if he goes south again like he went and that Super Bowl they won't be pondering they'll be doing it. Callen John Lynch. You'll be doing what they will pondering doing in that's moving over. Jimmy Garoppolo skip and this is not Earth. Shattering news been pondering all the positions so hollow. Jimmy knows. They're not just talking about him any chance. They see they could upgrade and possibly get better cheaper. That's what they're gonNA do 'cause I I don't know what Jimmy Twenty seven twenty eight million dollars. That's probably what is is a cap. It's Kathy might be less because they gave him a lot of money up front so for me. It's guilt look like I said I'm just shocked because I've never heard a team go public about internal discussions and I don't know where now agree with you. I don't know what to gain from that you I mean you think. Jimmy's pleased with that. Although he understands the business of it. And then you know you got paid like what you had an opportunity. You probably get Tommy and you didn't so you just subject yourself for criticism that you didn't mean there's going to be criticism enough. I don't think he should have a subject yourself to that type of criticism but against look this is. This is the new age now John. They've been very open. It was brought to him that you read. The article written are reading the Article. A couple of weeks. Those get that could delegate offer. Tom Brady originally aristocratic. Shot that down. Okay we can't I can't give I can't give you Tom. How by Jimmy Jimmy Port? Second Round Pick and John. Cale had like hell. Yeah Okay so let me put you on the spot with just a yes or no response if you had a chance to take brady for the next two years over Jimmy G. Would you have done it if you were John? Lynch Call Shanahan. No not for the offense. The cows run. No they need a mobile quarterback in time is not mobile big mistake. I still in that if you if you had. If you had Tom Brady coming home with that team. He's going to make more clutch plays. We just talked about how clutch he's been more. Clutch plays Jimmy who tends to unravel in the biggest moment moments in the biggest games. Jimmy G. guided this year. I'm not saying they're going to get back to the food moment. I believe you'll even play better than what he played. Ask You all right all right enough there guys. I WanNa talk a little bit more about. Mj How unprecedented was it for him to allow camera crews all access to his final with the Bulls? We'LL DIVE IN Z. Warriors Executive Chairman. Peter Guber was a producer on the last dance but he admitted that gold state has not allowed all access cameras to film because it would be quote Hubris. Oh Shannon. This begs the question. Are You surprised that Michael Jordan? Ah Lower so much access all of these cameras to film behind the scenes for his last year and Chicago. I am not because as the organization that made it very clear that Phil Jackson was not coming back Michael Jordan. Doug and also said no failed. No Michael He knew this was going to be his last year. So why not documented skilled? It's hard for me to believe that as when it gets like say Lebron to say thousand points and fifteen hundred points from career record. If that were to happen is hard for me to imagine that he's not going to document that I can assure you that when God I dunno scale maybe you like Michael knew that they had already say it feels not coming back so Michael knows he's not coming back so I don't know if guys know that man. This is my last year and so you're going to document that but for me. I wish I could have had some behind the scenes footage. Because that's what miss most was the memories because you couldn't get into sports you. WanNa make money you WanNa have memories and you'd like to be able to go back and look like mad man. We had a good time there. And you just have that authority memory as opposed to being able to plug it in and look at it so. I'm not surprised Michael did it. I'm surprised Gordon State didn't do it because there was a great say the caveat whether they'll be back Yup I agree with you about Golden State that surprises me but Shannon. I was there in ninety eight columnist for the Chicago Tribune around the team on a daily basis. I am shocked that Michael Jordan signed off on behind the scenes. Bird's eye view footage allowed for the whole season. Even though to your point you think your last dance so you want to document it but I saw camera crews everywhere that year. I did not know that one of those cruise was actually getting to go behind closed doors on a daily and nightly basis. And if you told me that then I would have been shocked because the Jordan. I got to know that year was so fiercely. Protective of his image. Remember Wins Sam. Smith wrote that book off the First Championship run called the Jordan rules Jordan. Just said I laughed at it and moved on because he did not love the fact that that pull back the curtain on what he was like behind the scenes let alone to sign off on behind the scenes for a whole year. It's not just hard knocks for the preseason. It's for the whole year and said you know. I don't want to come across as a horrible person in the documentary and I'm waiting to see the next eight episodes is he gonNA come off worse and worse behind the scenes. I don't know maybe for him. Obviously he knows they're more positive documented. There's GonNa get relief. That could possibly pay him in that light so much more to see that. Is it for US guys break. Show join us again tomorrow. Same time nine. Thirty am eastern.

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Best Of (Antonio Brown, Kyler Murray vs. Lamar Jackson, Dak Prescott, Big Ben's season-ending injury)

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Best Of (Antonio Brown, Kyler Murray vs. Lamar Jackson, Dak Prescott, Big Ben's season-ending injury)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host Jenny Taft. This podcast is a condensed version of today's episode of undisputed handpicked with the best segments and discussions skip Shannon. Let's go undisputed. We are live from. La Etap give me a Shannon Sharm good morning morning hygienic good morning what a day it wasn't Vilius Tony Brown around and drew brees and Aaron Rodgers Kyle versus Lamar and Patrick Mahomes and Eagles lose an cowboys about that decker the body badly anyone they did not just a couple of all in the same boat Dome Binge watching and I wouldn't wish you good luck today. 'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA need around for this team won. They have a lot to get to. I love Monday shows what has proven to skip and this Guy Shannon who's to blame for the eagles lost last night Yup Shannon Shannon. We'll go there. We're going to start though with the Patriots San Antonio Brown looked impressive on the field in his patriots debut after only practicing a few days with his new team. Tom Hombre didn't waste any time getting his new target involved hitting the receiver four times in the first half ended up with fifty six yards and a touchdown and after the game bell check and Brady said it was a good start with Brown. Take a listen. I'll take a look at it on film. I mean it's one week a lot of things we can work on could have out there but we run the offense tr- threw the ball regards open haven't changed in twenty years is a good start just trying to find out what guy and he when it was snapping awesome routes and did a great job so it was good to find him. Everyone contributed Shannon. Are you surprised aiming that quickly and that much no it was the. NFL didn't stand up. We knew the PATS wouldn't stand down. Ab went through look they signed a guy our the release so that told you what they thought out of his talent and we all know the reason why AB is on this roster because these extremely talented yeah he asked him some issues about a blending in the team concept and making it all about himself but that that doesn't take away his ability to play he's still in electric bona fide top receiver and the Guy Practiced all week and the one thing thing that we know about the Patriots give if you practice expect you to play and not only played. They expect you to play well now. I am not buying coach Belichick and Tom Brady Antonio Brown play only twenty four snaps they only had seventy two total snapped so he played about a third on a third of those plays that he played they threw him the ball or threw the ball in his direction so they made a conscious concerted effort to try to get him involved now. They're not where they need to be just yet because they missed some throws but I believe in time. This is going to be top not connection. Give Tom has never had a receiver with this kind of quickness that plays a lot outside the numbers and Randy Moss had more deep speed but randy couldn't get into other breaks like this guy. This guy has slot receiver ability but he plays leave outside the number and tall haven't played with anyone like that. He gets on guy so quick Tommy like okay. He's going to be even with our back showed him. He's going to be right there so so it's kind of hard do back shoulder somebody when you're on top of them if you notice air and a lot of these guys when they throw the back shoulder skip the guy de even with the receiver he just opens up. It's it's kind of hard to open up when the DB's behind you that's something they're going to win back. Those is deep balls. This is not a bad car with we'll go. Oh by the way what we're talking about great later I don't I'm not worried but eventually through practice and in Games aby and Tom Brady we'll get on the same page unless something the NFL steps in being that could possibly derailed this but I believe they'll be working extra skilled. They'll spend a little extra time after practice like this. They'll spend time than meeting. They're talking like well. I want you to run it like this because like sense get. He's never had anyone like this. this guy is elect. This guy has dynamic he the return so in elements or return but Ataman exclusive we played in between the Hash is in between the number. Maybe plays outside aside the numbers but he has type quickness. Oh He's in and out of those breaks a lot quicker than Tom Brady's used to but I thought they made an effort to get him the ball yesterday. He didn't disappoint point. He let people know that hey I'm still a B. and I got a quarterback now. That's GonNa give me the ball and I can do dynamic things with the ball so I'm. I'm not surprised that he played. I'm not surprised that he played whale because we knew skip was the. NFL didn't intervene the pages. We're not going to be and so he played in. He did a great job yet. I thought Friday you told me you thought they would ease him in a whole lot of impact right. I thought he'd have three or four kids for no catch. You did say you'd think he'd have touchdown. I didn't think he'd ever touched. I didn't think they're gonNA throw the ball. You know like that in the red zone but I'm not surprised you don't put a guy out there coach Belichick you notice. It's about the Patriots. Give if you play expected. If you practice during the course of the week they expect you to play and they expect you to play will and he did okay. I sought completely differently than you did. Obviously I was having to watch two games at once and when one of those games involves the cowboys and Redskins it's hard for me is that has all oh you attention. Yes it does but I had a half an eye on the top TV and I gotTa Tell You I was stunned. I was amazed I at just how Brazen Bill Belichick was yesterday to me when I glanced up on the second play of the game and saw ab running it looked like he he had a smile on his face. I grew up in the sea unders helmet exactly but I'm sure he was smiling insider to me that was bill belichick waving his middle finger at the the national football league everybody everybody that was bill belichick saying Oh so you think because of this lawsuit. I'm not gonNA play him or you. I think I'm just gonNA easing into what should be a blow out for us. Maybe give him a couple of snaps in the third quarter and three or four in the fourth nap watch this said Eh Bill Belichick to the National Football League. He always has to be the smartest man in the room. He always has to show you if you don't think he can do it watch how he does. Is it now technically he can say well. I didn't start him because he didn't play in the first snap and they hand the ball to Sony Michelle for three big yards and here he came on the field and now second seven forty three. He was punished for one second seven at the forty three and Tom Brady are you rises up and throws it to Antonio Brown for eighteen yards and I'm just I'm falling off my chair completely distracted from what's going on on the bottom autumn. TV which is the Dallas Cowboys and the Washington redskins then two plays later. Tom Brady looks to throw again for a second time the game any hits Antonio Brown or should I call Oh him Antonio Moss. I think he's turning into Antonio. Moss that was for eight yards. Then two more plays pass any looks again to throw to Antonio Brown ground. He hits him three times in the first drive and actually he threw a fourth pass in his direction. Fitzpatrick was called for holding Antonio Brown so they're actually technically four targets in the opening drive which ended in a short Sony Michelle touchdown from a yard away so silly me on Friday I predicted addicted. He would catch three balls for thirty yards and in the opening drive he had three for thirty six and then a little later in the game. Tom made sure that he got a b a touchdown and obviously it was a homecoming for A. B. Because he grew up in Miami they're back in Miami and even though this was just it's the equivalent of a scrimmage like a practice game right shame shame hate in in your life in your career and all your time around the NFL. Have you ever seen a team that looks this woeful this quickly because sometimes at the end of the year you see teams just fall completely apart but this is a disaster you skip skip some time after you after you lose a couple of heartbreaking games late in the year you like I'm ready to go home but to start the season like guys. Just I don't WanNa be here. I hate it here. It's not good. I want to get out of here. Trade me. It's a long long one so given all that you would think look think about this step back from it. This is a New England team that completely dismantled the Pittsburgh steelers on in their opener on last Sunday nine thirty two three so this team looked like it needed Antonio Brown. Obviously it did not did this team at all need Antonio Brown to beat that team yesterday Sturday no no it didn't need him at all so I stand by what I said last week. I thought it was incumbent. Upon the Patriots to at least Lee say we're going to keep him on ice for one week because you could do that easily could justify it so we need another week of practice yeah. Let's just wait and see because obviously Robert Robert Kraft new by Friday or so that they were going to interview the accuser today the NFL is and the process would start now right okay so you could at least say let's wait and see what feedback we get from the Home Office from Commissioner Goodell to Robert Kraft obviously the very close and he could say well well we think this or we think that and you would have a little better read on the situation instead of flying blind on it right now going into your second game of the year a game that you were favored to win by eighteen and a half points now to me I stand by what I also said last week if I had been Robert Kraft and it was reported over the weekend if Robert Kraft had known about the civil case filed against Antonio he would not have signed him well if that's the case believe that we'll we'll let you find out you just feel it still easy to say now releasing okay you could and I stand by what I said. Last week I would have released as soon as it got filed and again that doesn't mean that Antonio is guilty as accused. I'm just saying it's one thing on top of a whole all years worth of incidents in which Robert Kraft could say you know what this is just too much of a distraction for my football team. We're going to go in a separate way and several reports Fort said he could have gotten out from under the about ten million owed him and guaranteed money as Oakland got out of the guaranteed that they owed right so I stand standby. I wish they had gone in that direction. I also stand by this. I picked the Patriots before the season started without Antonio Brown. Obviously obviously I don't have nearly as much confidence in my pick with Antonio and I agree with you. He's an electric play and furthermore furthermore and further complicating the decision making here. He is a legendary great practice player High Energy Riley motivated to practice active right well obviously bill belichick loves that would he loved about Chad Johnson Ocho Cinco de practice so hard well all that adds up up to Randy Moss what happened with Randy Moss you had him for three years and four games and you have nothing to show for it in the way of a Lombardi trophy right right right and I fear that yesterday I saw them already falling into Randy Moss trap the two thousand Patriots Got Moss they got to the Super Bowl and they threw it forty eight times to running it only sixteen times and they ended up losing seventeen to fourteen in this case yesterday Antonio Oh Brown in his first action with New England Patriots got eight targets helped me out the play by play there and all the stats right. Was that team-leading eight eight targets you. Yes doubled everybody Donald. Didn't Josh have five at the bottom. He got five targeted by. I've talked okay so it almost doubled but the Super Bowl Oh. MVP was Julian Edmund were full. So how would you feel in your heart heart. She would never say this publicly. But how would you feel after that game. If you're in Julian shoes were the super bowl. MVP and you got four targets in that Game Antonio got eight. How would you feel right? We'll give you a little queasy here like this where we're going with this. Is this and I've been here for the longest girl today as I hear the guy that just comes to the party up and she dances with him. Okay let me jewels Jila login the Gills Jackson Hole Wyoming throw pass and it'll go vacationing together. Jews is the second leading receiver in in all time history postseason game again that's because he's played so many games with that quarterback but the point is he's done a whole lot. How would you feel well if you're Josh Gordon and you've worked so hard to to defeat your demons and get back into the good graces of the New England patriots and you are a starting receiver and even though you got five targets they didn't add up to a whole lot of yards and helped me out? He is about to be relegated to second string. Let's give we talked about this as like now you you look at what transpired the first week we saw that play a big role. We also saw Josh Gordon. I think that somebody's gonNA lose some catches. That's just that's just the way it's going to shape He's talented not to get him the ball. He's GonNa win. He's going to other than Allman who plays close to the quarterback and his route trees shorter than an outside receiver. Antonio Brown's. Go beat everybody else getting open. You will and don't give me after the game. I love Tom Brady. I'm just don't give me. I'm just looking for the open. I'm hitting the open receiver against that team. That defense is open. You could just say you do Shannon Sharpe today. I'm going to get you ten ten catches for for two bucks for two hundred. If you want that you can get Tom's also making statement as his Josh McCain's the play calls. We're going to show you we can integrate him like that and we'll show you he is. Maybe the best receiver in football right now and we are going to be heavy Antonio Moss. That's what happened yesterday so that's where we're headed and yet do I think this will work long long term. I do not and I'm going to Hark back to what the hall of Famer across told me early on. I'M GONNA go back to two thousand sixteen. You said the Pittsburgh steelers should cut bait right okay so you've been out on him from the stone. We shouldn't be in on him now. Unless you're trying to sabotage my zone the no but the thing is is he. You're going to change see the thing is my only concern with the raiders. I'm like nobody's in the raiders. Organization is going to be able to hold this dude accountable but he goes to the perfect he goes to a situation where not only will the head coach. Hold you accountable but they are gathering that locker room. That's been there for an extended period of time. You have Tom Brady. You have our different mcchord. You have a Julian you have guys that are been there that have one there and says your behavior is unacceptable and is not conducive for winning and I believe if if he worked at up coach bill would get him out okay so I'm GonNa Hardback if we could see it one more time to the initial instagram posts from Ab aby after he had signed with the Patriot and I'm going to remind you when you see this this is ABC little caricature sitting on a pile of cash with the caption of the Patriot retrea way the Patriot way. I'm going to remind you oh well what was coming down. The Pike. A lawsuit was coming because according to all the reports right he had been negotiating with her side for several months over a settlement. Some deadline was Sunday. Well okay so yesterday was a week ago a week ago so he knows this is coming and he knows he's saying no to her demands of whatever it was there was a report of two plus million right said okay so he he knows his coming and yet he post that that's the first really bad sign because now it looks like this is going to empower our him further entitle him further embolden him. He's he's feeling invincible. Belch took me right right and I'm above this again. I'm not picking sides. I don't say he's guilty or not. I have no idea I'm just telling you that right now. He must feel on top of the world oral because he's a New England Patriot with eight a team high eight targets will skip change normally comes about once per hit rock bottom. He get traded from the steelers for the field and goes to the raiders. Okay the raiders cuts them so they don't have to pay the grantee money and within that within hours he's picked up by the defending super bowl champs so he's like what am I lost. You mentioned like okay so what I'm not guaranteed to the fifteen million dollars next next year in two thousand twenty but I got a guarantee for this year. I got fourteen fifteen guaranteed this year so he really hasn't lost anything. He's looking at like my behavior. I've got rewarded. I I go from a team. That probably wasn't going to make the playoffs where they're going to win. Maybe five six ballgames to a team that could possibly go fourteen to fifteen to one who knows sixteen in and win the Super Bowl so I want I win yesterday. He could have been a victim of Patrick Mahomes in Oakland. Yes because Patrick Mahomes wild the second quarter four Tush just in that quarter and that's all the points they score but twenty eight to ten if Abe had been on the other side on the Oakland side. I don't think it would have changed that outcome. Worth giving might have been he might have threw for more yards at least eight have been score and then it kept going back and forth told me they had to keep score but you know skipping people like the settlement to me what it is easy for someone to say. ABC It'll settle this but ABC doesn't feel he's done anything wrong. I'm not saying that he did. I'm not saying that he did. I don't say she's right. He's wrong but I'm saying skip. It's almost like if someone charges you. Let's say the. Da Charged with a crime that you don't feel committed and the the sentence is twenty five Oughta if you admit to it. I'll give you five right but I didn't do anything I know you you would dig in on that one sakes on principle alone. You'd say no and his contention intention is through his lawyer. It was consensual. Yes I've talked to attorneys that handled this exclusively. He's a gen you'd be surprised he says because they don't want to come out. Sometimes they've been in compromising situations. They're married. They see him doing something they shouldn't do and they stay paying more to lose if this were to come out as a pause to pay one million four million dollars but in the situation like this skip. AB is looking at it like honestly it was a consensual relationship and somehow it went sideways. Maybe I said I no longer wanted to be in this and something happen but it's it's easy for people to say two million dollars. That's nothing to main dollars a lot of money to win a lot of money when you feel you've done nothing wrong. Okay so factor the football field if in fact he stays eligible the rest of this football season which is it's possible. I believe he will end up being more trouble than he's worth. I also believe Tom Brady Mike just throw his way right back into the MVP race with Battery Mall because with this you've got your moss it's a different packages obviously smaller weaker different routes but but still lethal so brady might just start putting up more record type numbers the way he did no seven you might get into the MVP battle with moms that will lead up to a crescendo late in the year when they go to Fox right because okay. They're talking to her today at some point you gotTa Talk. ABC because you just can't hear her side the story and take it at face value without hearing his side of the story so normally when they do these do these type interviews is normal on his day off to this day off. Will you haven't scheduled that so now you gotta wait another week so guess what's he plays this. That's two weeks that's gone by and the NFL having talked to him. So how long does this this process go. Is it two weeks three weeks five weeks eight weeks at some point in time. You got to tell you the. NFL's going to have to make a decision here. I believe he's going to need to come sooner rather than later but at some point in time if you're talking to her today you can talk to. Ab within the next week or two and obviously Mike florio reported that at the player who had witnessed some of their interaction was his cousin Hollywood Brown right who's obviously lighting it up for the Baltimore Ravens so with the NFL want want to interview him because he could get called as a key witness in the civil suit. Yes no no no just just his viewpoint viewpoint on it and obviously ease Antonio's cousin very close so I don't know how objective he could be but you could certainly check with him and interview him. Yes you aflame word but but skipping this situation. I don't really think anybody if you'll football related. I don't think anybody's surprised that. Ab Play because this is the way the Patriots this is standard operating they say about the exempt list requires a criminal charge or at least enough evidence on the part of an investor an NFL investigation to think that you've violated the conduct code right correct so they're going to start that process today right and without interviewing anyone made it virtually impossible for them to so you join this conclusion that he had done something wrong without talking to anyone not talking to him not talking to her so I get it. I I agree with you. You wish the Patriots and so do I for just once say you know what I know. We just gotTA. We just wait it out. We'll we play. We played the dolphins opens. Basically we're playing the number one team in college. That's what the dolphins aren't there. They'll do they'll they're. They're going to have a Clemson and Alabama right now so so they would be one cliff to be to Alabama thread so Yada Yada Yada you know what I think we can win this game without a B and then we can move on from Hammer said it's one more time the worst nightmare for Roger Goodell and the NFL would be if this goes on to a jury trial in the jury finds in her favor the NFL would look really bad horrible. Who'd look ray rice bad yes? I guess that's a risk they're willing to this point patriots roots as well the seventy-second receiver to catch a touchdown pass from Tom Brady just to put that in perspective longevity begging. You probably could've Jason witten today. Are you ready for what's ahead. You can't always predict the future but you can game plan for Britt. Generations of families and businesses have harnessed the power of Pacific to help them reach their unique goals. Whether you need to save enough money to meet your needs ensure. 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It's and rush for over one hundred twenty yards in a single game cuyler through four three hundred forty nine yards joining Cam Newton as the as only the second player ever to throw for over three eight hundred yards in his first two career game so who are ravens would end up getting the twenty three seventeen win Shannon with a better game Kyle Lamar Lamar request trek really skilled Betas you think tyler did jake had this thing. It wasn't even waste basket we one hundred year this one hundred year anniversary of the NFL. We've never seen a guy do what Lamar Jackson did yesterday Bropher Bropher to fifty rental book twenty now. We've seen a guy do what tyler as a matter of fact camp took it. One better candy at four hundred did four twenty three and four thirty two. We've seen one guy we one guy. We never seen anybody do. What else have we ever seen Cam and do that again? We know the whole west four hundred okay. We'll cal throw for four hundred okay we will know. We don't know them all on imagine. He said he loved this stat because he just mentioned it earlier because he said Dak Prescott since the end of the League got more ninety plus. QBR rated than Tom Brady the Lamar Jackson had a ninety he had a gala moorhead affiliate that is correct. Is that good. I didn't think it's not bad. Let Take Callum urges did yesterday skip is like a person. That's eating really really healthy. Has This really really strenuous workout and then he gold hominid cinnamon roll that into calories nothing no nutritional value has been added Callum. Get some car great example Apple. You got some car blew you get his numbers empty. They mean nothing. Has Calamari ever played from a lead. Has He ever been anything other than ten fifteen boys behind. He's played two games. Okay Detroit and Detroit beat the chargers largest yesterday. That's impressive Thai Thai bear screening tool really what you do it live though Tortil- uh-huh doesn't Halliburton doesn't say yeah that's indeed speak from experience. Let's give you need to stop close. Lows what we're seeing Lamar skip if we're seeing the maturation and we took for granted the guy did will heisman trophy he'd through over three thousand yards yards rushed for over fifteen hundred yards and the question was like I'm not saying it needs to be Tom Brady and he needs to be able to throw the ball breeze but if Vegan to become slightly above average with his running ability he literally can do what he did in college he can throw for three thousand arrive four thousand yards Gil. I believe he will do that. Getting the ball comes out his hand better than I thought because I wanted him a lot getting better yes and he's got a reliable allowable guy and Mark Andrews. It's tigers when he oklahoma thank you well. Would he gets in trouble at the other Oklahoma Guy. You didn't get to him yet. Eh Hollywood Hollywood doing big thing. We can mention new big things but I love what Lamar is doing right now. He's better better than I thought he would this early. I knew he had to progress because he's light years throwing the football this year compared to where he was laughter. I talked to Ozzy at the at the hall of fame this past this August News Ozzie newsome who who was the general manager who was his last his last drafted in the first. I route wasn't Amar Jackson that guy. He's going to surprise a lot of people really he's throwing the ball better than than you think and he's surprised a lot of people it's gift you and I Cleveland Youtube Pittsburgh but the team you need to watch out for and that division appropriately black the tough their defense is going to keep them in every gay and this kid is getting better and better now. They got a big tall task mix. We go to go to Casey that could be where he throws for. Three hundred hundred mahomes might throw for five Lamar played great at Kansas City last year and was imposition little down here for them beginning but what about Lamar Jackson play Collie yesterday's give they kicked three field goals from inside the five yard line so what that tells me. He's Arizon- Arizona being you know they had three times. They went inside side the five and couldn't catch hold on if you got you mean to tell you that guy you've got the fastest quarterback in the NFL and you K. running in from there you throw it in there. Are you know the value jumped out of his hand. You talk about jobs. You never see about being sarcastic the yard so you just told me Baltimore is legit. They are serious business especially on defense he threw for three forty nine in his second. NFL game in his first ever NFL road game with a bad team. You talked about how bad the giants are in the Redskins are this team is worse than the giants and the Redskins all around overall though it's not a good football team sorry it's just not Larry Fits is on his last legs another one hundred yard game APP trees on his last legs. This is what you got little Christian Kirk in the slot or three forty nine fine and you can't run a lick. They had twenty yards rushing yesterday couldn't run a lick while the other team was rushing for one hundred eighty two yards. Thanks thanks to a hundred and twenty from what do you call them L. Okay era the PUN and I agree with you. Lamar Mark Jackson took my breath away yesterday because that's I didn't see that last. No I saw really good last year I saw a young man who got at them to the playoffs and then had a really hard time in his first playoff game but that guy yesterday you until you were talking about how Dax looks like he's just figured it out in control that looked figured out to me all against the Arizona cardinals but still when push came to shove and when my little man got his team back in the game once again because that's what he does and the fourth quarter who made the thrill of the game on third and one from his forty four with two fifty eight left in the game. This is the throw the game it was L. L. Jack Lamar Jackson look at this. This is a rocket now. This is an NFL throw trumpeter Robert Toy rapid tune. Is that what we're GONNA call him. Drop it to who was who caught that ball that might be Hollywood around University of Oklahoma. That was the man Ginny Taft. I love that guy who was hurt when little calorie big bad Knicks Defense Saint Nick's Nathan engine and you say well. What did he do against Alabama? He didn't didn't have that guy. He wouldn't have made a difference. Are you kidding. I kept telling you that little man can run by anybody anywhere any stage any moment to see where Lamar is now skip because you remember his first playoff game. The home crowd in San Diego was born. They were born in because he can throw a pass. He was getting sacked hitting. Look bad and now you look at this get. I mean not this quick. I mean like he's got the improved. We know GONNA improve some but to improve this much much. He's night in Dayton there skip. They're throwing the ball. They're not running. We thought okay because John Harbaugh said we're GonNa Ready to make twenty times of gay as you get unhurt. skippy threw the ball thirty seven times yesterday thirty seven so that tells me they have a lot of confidence in his ability to throw the football and it should in his well place. I think the best thing that they did skip. They got a guy that had a very guys a guy similar in San Francisco the Higher Greg Roman as the of and and Lamar Jackson has Colin Kaepernick speed so he knows what it can happen if you get outside the park and he's a little faster than Colin. Do you may focus I do hi this New York could royds soaking wet his ability to throw the football is what has been most impressed K- knew he could run but not throw the ball this will this okay okay so to me and I am a keiler fanatic you could say but I thought cuyler had the better game on degree of difficulty because your Second Start Against Baltimore more on the road is a thirteen point underdog and you somehow get your team back into the game with a touchdown and a two point conversion in the fourth quarter and all of a sudden. What was it twenty twenty three to sixteen but the point was he had them back in position to challenge to win the game? It took that throw that we just saw aw from Lamar to ice the game so if you give tyler the ball back who knows what happened will happen to saint they happen. They were two of eleven on third down on third who flee quarterback Zona last okay last week. There were nine hundred ninety two down. I just WanNa know on third down. Who's playing who covered in both those games who covered with a tie in a narrow law governor yeah thirteen point? We're trying to tell you not. Only we know blanket cover today. How do we don't do that here? Skill we do winds and we do you converse. Will you come to the shot. I it dared you last week the Gimme thirteen I you know I think they're gonNA lose but I'm not giving you thirteen why not Alzheimer's skill when you come to my restaurant two things really ale until Qbr off the menu. I'm thinking about adding little the Marquette that night. I might add Q. Backer. Yeah Yeah Yeah like like once every three weeks to get a nice later. We'll go carson. Wentz had to sit out on the curb last night just aching eighteen yet on the curve. You'll get aware about your guy. I'll go to restaurants who so to sum this up. Our Man Nellie texted me actually very early this morning because he was still up while I was getting up but you made a great great point he said he saw basically the future of the NFL yesterday with these two young players playing each other because he said once there's no more Brady and breeze that the next super bowl he was predicting could go to one of these two and of course I said well kyle has got a long road to hoe long as easy as as a lot of L. Yes Lamar. They're much closer a lot of guys that you know they were doubted. Lamar Tyler Hollywood ever had something Lina say about him and they also met him proof. It was one of the things the thing would cala was is not what his ability to throw skip could stay healthy. If you watch the way teams attacking early skip their blitzing Jesus which is why Cliff Kingsbury who doesn't have this in his his sort of philosophical approach to football all he needs to let Tyler beat the blitz with his legs more because he ran three times. I don't even think they were called for four yards yesterday. Trust me Jimmy can attest at Oklahoma. He ran for a thousand one. Oh One thousand one yard they happen in this open. Lamar go get a thousand and three thousand past. Just Walk Ravens Chiefs Than Cardinals Panthers which may be that could be. I don't know that's a whole different discussion. We've got two weeks ago. They're doing real L. number one. They got to pretend number one. They got a real muscle. You just call column over in. What is we got that on tape number one the again do you have a favorite? 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You'll only find sleepnumber at one of their five hundred the seventy five sleep number stores nationwide find the one nearest you at sleepnumber dot com slash well Dak Prescott. He picked up right where we left off from week. One he only had four incompletions to go along with two hundred sixty nine yards and three touchdowns in he thirty one to twenty one win over the Redskins the cowboys. QB also wrecked up sixty-nine yards on the ground including a forty two year run to help set up the cowboys. Go ahead had score in the second quarter deck has completed eighty two percent of his passes for nearly seven hundred yards and seven touchdowns through two games. How about those numbers Greg What has proven to you Lavar Dak Accu special now skip almost WANNA sit next to you little bit? We'll do it not this free no. I'm not saying you hear that. Prescott has been beyond impressive who in the reason why this was my expectation of Dak Prescott this year because of all the talk including myself about it'd be Zico Elliott's team and that's where they hang their hat and they do in the others make make him better. What we're seeing is a Dak Prescott that has been a leader but now he is leading with his play as well as his his implementation or off the field in the locker room transitioning and transferring to own the field production when I'm seeing gotTa Dak Prescott if he continues this who skip who shannon is this Noah Gray Wanna go? Do you want to hear him say MVP out. I'M NOT GONNA I'M GONNA. I'm not gonNA even throwing that out there super bowl MVP because that's audience I'm just doing some special things but actress eighty two percent completion now you can say he's playing against the giants. You can say I don't Care Ah why are they are. They professional football team. I can't tell or they listen if we could make both of those while right not I just. I like what I'm seeing that Preska because it's not Ezekiel heavy is not run heavy. It is well-balanced. It is if we need you to make plays that you make the play and he's playing with the different swagger confidence with the way he's throwing the ball. We haven't seen him listening with thirteen. He's he's a different player right now and I like what I'm seeing now. The DAK Prescott love it to me right money money money yea thirty two now. We have thirty five thirty six thirty years. You know what it means for me diet do in the bed we play Du but that's next year book just when you're GONNA play. That's the only way we'll get it back. So one of my super bowl teams is going to play my other super bowl pick and that's the only way you're going to beat me. Somebody asks to win. I got to thank you it. It is impressive what he's doing. The things that I like most is that they're not playing down the cowboys are playing down to the level of competition. Yes the Washington and the giant or NFL real football franchises but they're not very good in when you play teams that are not very good you jump on early you give them no hope to say you know what we can just hang on running into the fourth quarter. Maybe we'll get an opportunity to steal this ball game the cowboys by the time they get to the fourth quarter. The cowboys are already thinking about may Atlanta. I'M CLUED IN UH-HUH I've already thinking about what do I do because this cable giants were over with Washington with Oh yeah. They look cheap touchdown late neighbor. Oh man that was they gave us. What did you say giant scored? I go ahead seven or nothing washing scored. I go ahead seven. Nothing in the final score was boarded a few you get the giant it's thirty five to seventeen really seventeen point and this gorgeous goal was thirty one to thirty fourteen twenty one and then you asking him you underestimate your scored a late touchdown. It is still covered but anyway you like that. Get little give that credit. He's throwing the ball with conviction. Michael Gallup Randall Cobb has been a huge addition because rental car is doing what they thought Table Yvonne Austin can do with the gadget plays skip. Throw him the ball. Make People Missing Detroit area. He's doing everything they can do last year Randall Cobb is you just better at it the thing that I noticed about him over the last couple of years when he was in Green Bay he's healthy now you can tell he's healthy. You could tell the way road you can tell the way he's played the game. Ah Michael Gallup is I didn't see this. You hear everybody keeps saying Michael Gallup Michael Gallup but man Dude He. He's a legit. Yes pretty soon go figure. He's going to be thinking here number one. You have to lose him but anyway America Amari Cooper was doing what he's done but you know the big thing is they play two games Dacca's. I've been here four times. He has one sack where there's not very many quarterbacks that couldn't do what data do it. If you're going to let them be clean for the entire game and he's been clean for for the most part the better part of the out here Carson wentz keeps getting the hell kicked in and he's behind what pro football focus called the number one offensive line and pro football all right well called him yes the first two weeks they haven't been they hadn't played hadn't protected Carson like they should so I could just sit and listen to both you talk for hours. I can actually just sit and watch those highlights over and over we could play those highlights the rest of the show and we would rate through the roof because that's all anybody really wants to hear about it but I'm GonNa say this one more time I dug in in the off season we did about about three different lists of NFL top one hundred player rankings and my guy number four for the Dallas cowboys made none of them. He couldn't even break into the top one hundred players and now Greg Jennings who knows a little bit about football because he played an extremely high level he just gave me a whoo and Shannon Sharpe giving me the equivalent of a woo because he's he's got a nervous woo going on because he's like oh I gotta do I got to see him do against somebody other than Alabama clemson Johnson Washington Really Alabama Clemson are pretty good team. Okay so how do you not make the top one hundred when you're now up to thirty six and what are they thirty six and twelve is a starter and and I'm gonNA use these stats again because since Dak Prescott came into the League has ten nine thirty four to sixteen he has now ten Ryan Ninety plus Qbr Games. That's a lot of games because second on the list of the time he's been in the league. Tom Brady has seven tied with a couple a couple of other quarterbacks but ten to seven so he's three clear of any other quarterback and ninety plus. QBR Games since he came in to the League and would you believe is that he's thrown now nine touchdown passes of fifty plus yards. Only Tom Brady and Philip rivers have more since that came into the league. They each have eleven so so he's doing something right. He doesn't have him yeah qualifies but he's not exactly dinking attacking so so over the last ten games last year when he got Amari Cooper Dak Prescott merely led this league incompletions he led the League in what pro football focus called catchable passes he was third in the NFL in what's called air distance how far the past traveled to the receiver so he was not dinking and Daqing over the last ten games last year so all he does is he keeps winning games by making key plays and he has shown you once again. He is the most valuable cowboy and I'm the first one to say Zeke. Elliott is the best running back in football but he has shown you again. What drives this team is the quarterback because quarterback drives any team and you can't continued to tell me zig more valuable? He's he drives us. No he doesn't anymore because now we've seen two games against division archrivals and Dak Jack Prescott has dominated both these gains and again Kellen Moore is going to be the UNSUNG. MVP this year because I am shocked Jason Garrett has stepped back and said you take the wraps soft and I thought Jason Garrett would be in his ear and tried to overrule some also. I ball's not do anything so he won't be. Nobody he played quarterback back in the League and he was pretty good qualified backup quality backup. He beat your brother team one day on Thanksgiving he did. My brother had four Taylor Bloom bill but I we'll talk about that all right. Let's get here's the thing see. He's going to stay out of his ear. Because it goes sideways you like Jerry. I wouldn't call it a place. Give me one more year. Let me call the place where the best thing to happen. was you hate to say you hate to see someone lose their job but when they remove Scotland you like how does the guy wins the division two times in three for years with a playoff game all of a sudden but they feel they can get so much more out of this offense if someone with imagination that's what these young guys leave the old guy they have a way of calling the game and they're going to stick to the script these new guys get these these killing more the king's birthday Sean McVeigh. They throw caution to the we're. There's no telling what they'll run. There's no safe area on the field in which they won't call the play you like now at this area. The pavement don't compare killing more to cliff Kingsborough Bert Kelly and grew up in pro football knows what he he learned what he knows from the inside but I'm just saying this imagination they're using the immagination Kingsbury because you see a lot of what the nfl they got it from college offers every day. Playing with four wide receivers used to play four wide receivers third down now they opened up the game and eleven personnel that opened the game with four wide because they want to put in space the way they protect the quarterback. UK hit the receiver Yada gotTa Yada but killing more is done an unbelievable job a plan to what does really well daggers getting the ball out of his hand. The offensive line has been fabulous mhm they don't touch it and when you have a quarterback they have the clean pocket and he has the arsenal the weapons the Cooper's the Gallup Jason Witten and you can run the ball with Zeke think they're gonNA be a tough. I I hate to say it. You'RE GONNA be a tough. Thank you honesty. My quarterback is now six and one want against the artist rival the redskins and he's throwing one hundred ninety four passes against the redskins and he had his first interception yesterday. That's one interception option. He's nine touchdowns to win exception against the Washington redskins. I got to tell you that that is good. That is Great Day. It's not going to sell the team anytime soon. We'll probably be nineteen ninety-one again okay. I'll take that I did miss kirk cousins yesterday did case keenum L- battle Kirk cousins the Minnesota leading up. All I know is Shannon. I predicted in the off season. You're going to have to come in Monday after Monday. Sunday and eat crow of Prescott temporarily every everything he's doing has been spat L- he's over sixty percents game week one sixty four percent on third or down conversions we to sixty percent and we got the dolphins the let me let me back up. Let me take that we either. I have the dolphins next yes. They have the dolphins next and what's been getting order without drew brees hatred so you continue to build on this confidence. I don't care who they're playing. You still have to form standing. You said it they're not plan down to the level of competition. What that provides is everyone to be involved oft for data showcase what he can do and by the time they play a team that we see is for real in the Green Bay packers and that defense shoot he going to be on cloud ten hundred? I mean you look at the team. You Look at Miami you look at the giants you look at WHO's coming this week. The DOT were Dolphin. You played Washington. Ah New Orleans you might as you relate man. That's GonNa give me about ten teddy bridgewater. Hi spayed backup quarterback in the league. He earned that money yeah you think about backup. That's what you want him to stay in backups. You don't want to start or you. Don't WanNa see them. Come in and do little mop off-duty. I'm afraid in two weeks tastes them. Hill will be the starting quarterback. I don't know I don't know either Jack Skip he could do a lot of different things really well will but playing quarterback tab basis and I don't think so so as much as I rave about my quarterback number four do not rave about my defense because I ain't sold and yet he's got a lot of guys call de law. He got his money and he got goose eggs yesterday all the way across the board goose pool money it you a truck full so bad what you put enough in the truck and it won't go anywhere. Really you think he's worn out just pulling the truck dot dot he'll be. I it's I'm going to get a hold on you. Do realize I mean they sit in the protection because there's nobody on the other side Radloff win is back right so now you can't slide to protect it. I mean first first of all the dolphins you should have. I mean the Patriots get seven sacks yesterday so the cowboys should have at least ten but they're going to Josh Rosen. Maybe he'll light ended up. Josh Rosen got three time eleven pass. Go like what up when you go to a quarterback that doesn't have as much experience. That's number one thing that they do is they hold onto that ball a little bit long. Yes good always nice to have absolutely no. He's appreciative Thank you Greg Guy. It was a day disappointment really for the saints and you just mentioned it. We have an update on drew brees. What the latest is there? The breeze injured his thumb. When it hit Aaron Donald Hand after throwing a pass yesterday breeze missed the rest of the game and a new report today indicates have to undergo surgery to repair a torn ligament and is expected to miss approximately six weeks to make matters worse pursue the Game Cam Jordan appeared to have recovered a fumble and returned it for saints touchdown but the play was initially ruled incompletion and blown dead after view view? The play was overturned but the touchdown was negated since the play was blown dead. The saints ended up losing to the rams twenty seven to nine so Shannon. I think think about this for a sec if you are a saints Fan Right now. How do you feel? I'm really bombed out onto folds because I feel I was robbed again the call let's give the officials on instructed you not blow Wilson. Let it play out in any play can be reviewed touchdown change possession. All those can be reviewed but if you blow that play dead yeah they might get the ball back but they're going to get the ball back at that spot. Why would you in that situation skip? Why would you blow it dead? You've been instructed not to blow a day. Yes yes let it play out. we too you can fall back on after brother reviewed. The quarterback armed with going forward incomplete okay but you can't say up a further review we after up because that's what happened again and to make matters worse skip. Now you get the news that drew brees is going to be gone for at least east six weeks. Skipped tweeted the moment because I've seen this happen too. Many times yeah got in this way in practice do not get anywhere near the quarterback because he'd gone through with this motion. He hit someone's hand. Someone's helmet someone shoulder pad. Bad things normally happen. I wore a thumb got. I did the very same thing blocking. Someone bombed got bit back so I ended up wearing the thump protect up under my love you tear your ligament. I stress that really really bad. I assume I'm drew yes. I don't think it's a broken because you have to understand. He's he's taller. He thought that motion coming forward and Aaron Donald handed coming here bap that what we got and I mean you immediately because you've seen it done too many times and things like week.. CK catch a break. We Got Robbed Championship game. We get rob will could have been attested skip now because it ended up being twenty seven nine but who knows who knows what transpires now they go up by touchdown tend to three minimum switching officials. You gotta be better better now. The Ref probably blew that dad is going to get down greatest gifts GonNa make it hard for him to have another good game to Rep a playoff game super bowl but we'll say because I mean you cost us Anderson's. Yes Yup the guy that's not the one that called the Patriots. The tuck rule is a lot of Holman okay but anyway this. This was bad rest blew who to call in now the Saints Fan of field fans are feeling even worse because it injured a drew now I hold Tantai's make it a lot of money to be a backup headed opportunity go other the places but he chose to stay New Orleans now. This is why they pay teddy bridgewater big bucks. He's better starting to sleep but now he must keep this thing afloat until audrey returns in their schedule they at Seattle Dallas. Tampa comes to them at Jacksonville Chicago Arizona. That's the next block the six games that drew could possibly miss and then they have the by. I don't know if I've ever been more let down by what I considered a big stage age big early season game than I was by that one the bottom sell out late in the first quarter because to your point it's the Oakley Shea of adding insult to injury or injury to insult but in this case it's just it's an insult to the saints fans their team goes out there seeking in revenge right and their team belonged in the Super Bowl. I said all last year you were back and forth about him but whatever the rams went to the Super Bowl in the saints at an early season opportunity on a big stay on Fox to say watch what we can do now and instead did they lose drew brees for what are we going to say six weeks six weeks at their list. Get it probably will take the heart out of the season it will seriously damage their chances even make the playoffs and then that happens again and again that wasn't the same of what kept kept them from going to the Super Bowl agnew of it obviously wasn't that huge but it happened again and it happened for all the reasons you just detailed old to the point that how can the NFL allow this to keep happening so we get back to what Jerry Jones used to argue with me about time and time again this went on. I'm for like five years of arguing. His point was hey. These controversies sell our our product because on Mondays you guys are all talking about the blown call. It's good for business. Really it's good for business. That's Jerry things because he said human frailty has has always been a part of referei football right and so and you agree to get there's a certain human the human element in the in the end there are going to be blown calls and you're GonNa get your fair share and you're unfair share. It seems like the saints are getting only. They're right right in in Jerry's case he's he's. He loves it. He applauds it and he welcomes it because it drives their training because people are outraged or they're they're at least debating. How how can we fix this? Well one fix that is not a quick fix and it would be a very expensive fix to make those ficials fulltime and where you keep them all week training for the game washing film going over these things again they say they have jobs already and we don't need we wouldn't have enough for them to do during the week and we would have to pay them on ton among that's that's what it comes down to. It comes down the because. NBA officials are full-time. What does baseball officials doing in November these in January nothing written now so so the whole thing could come back to this skill money so you keep your job? We'll pay you X. For the time that you work but no come in and fail obviously there's sixteen games versus eighty two versus one sixty take a look. There's another way to divvy up ten billion dollars gap so what you gotta give the officials. I don't even know oh how many officials that are. Maybe as a game going on give it were sixteen games mcgibbon week so what nine officials per game okay so. What is it gonNA cost you extra five five eighteen million dollars really to make sure everything they're still going to be some blown calls but it can't be to the aggressiveness of this now you? You're instructed not to blow that whistle because that's what replays therefore skip because now the the opposing coach doesn't have to challenge flaying if turnovers and touchdown are all is to review Tada no harm no foul or you can come at the other reviews skip that was incomplete pass steel still. It's still a round ball now you can't you can't do this. You can't do because let me tell you what you know what people start to things get some aid on up on like especially if it had been any other team but can't happen to the same team with the green business of it now i. I just think it just happened to be bad. Look the official he got here. The whistle automatically just blew it but that was it it looked skip. It was a former from the guarding need replay in live action. It looked like small yup. It is bad just just taking come in the the same as the adults we saw with Seattle just did last week this way. I mean Sunday. They went to Pittsburgh in one in one in the one o'clock played played that huge game and then you got Dallas Tampa Jacksonville Jacksonville Chicago's not an easy out of the game. They play Defense Yup. Yep just made me sick. I I loved it that are Mike Pereira jumped right in and said they blew that this this is what we teach. It's like a cardinal rule on that play. Yes split. Let it play out. What are you doing? What why did you ruin our game moines? I mean what did you say you know I. I missed up crisper though he always gets a right knows those moments not thank you. That's probably why Perez he's too harsh with. He's cut and dry that was wrong. You gotta be a little bit. They've figured to be a little bit more. PC well. Maybe this is what he I was thinking. You know we blew it out. The first one he jumped all over it and even and he was he in his voice. I heard disgust yeah yeah th- that's too that's too obvious that you can't make that mistake. Breeze only missed three games and the saints career only one with injury. I mean he's just he's. It's not and some people thought this might be as last year skipping. That's the thing with the quarterback is not really the big is the fluky freak injury and is is that sometimes that can do real okay. It's over now. It's not easy to be a saints Fan. Not Easy really to be a vikings fan today on my part and we got a taste rogers versus a for yesterday in their win over the Vikings. I figured we'd have to talk about. Are The guys impressed with the packers. Are we going to go there next so the packers held onto beat the Vikings Twenty one to sixteen after not scoring past the second quarter near the end of the first half Aaron Rodgers. I couldn't find anyone on third and long and then after the play he had an animated if you will exchange with I your head coach Matt. leflore Rogers claimed the incident was it's not a big deal after the game. Let's hear it from himself. It was about to look on on defense but I was actually Kinda surprised that that he was coming to talk about that but we got it all sorted out there on the sideline and it actually wasn't a big deal. He's just as in my were. You know a little animated at times but I can't say it. was you know we're yelling how much we love each other but we definitely weren't. MFN each other anything if it was talking about the the look there and you know get on Saint Bake all right Shannon. How impressed have you been with the new packers so far like what I'm seeing skipped? They're not just Aaron Rodgers the Nafis in office a ham dominant I think the defense is better. It's getting better than they did. Give Him some big runs. gave up a lot of runs the Dow and cooked. I'm sure might pet and not going to be happy about that. There were in total control of this ball game. Yeah Twenty one points is in the first quarter and you like they're rolling their about the steamroll the Vikes and then all of a sudden they can pick up thirty one that can pick up a couple of fourth ones and device or right back into this ball game but I'm like I like what I'm seeing air roger steelers Aaron Rogers and his army to believe that he does have two hundred yards from here out. You know it's coming those big play late two very bad good defense and they won both of those games the bears not to be messed with defensively. We know what Mike Zimmer and that the Vikings defense we know what they represent eh but when the rubber needed to meet the roles get late in the ballgame when they need to have to run out the clock the things that make Aaron Rodgers so unique most team when you run to boot with a right handed quarterback you think the ball left and you roll so he's to his right hand side any because he's right hand dominant but not with Aaron Rodgers they roll the opposite way he must open up his hips and throw the ball on the money to Devante and Joe like clockwork like you've been doing it. All kinda remind you ought to play that he'd get the cowboys any skill you remember that right. I remember didn't remind me of the same effect same into the ballgame. Hey Mason crosby came on kick the field goal situation they were able to take a knee ballgame was over so I like what I'm seeing from the packers they're only going. I want to get better everybody that they face this on their schedule does not have defense like the Vikes like the bears so Aaron Rodgers will get better their defense will get how many more times they get to play kirk cousins once more right so they have now all played Mitchell trubisky who on opening night had a QBR against them skill zero two hundred nineteen yesterday Mitchell trubisky put up a grand total of thirty thirty Qbr at Denver and they somehow stole that game right free just Mitchell trubisky so kirk cousins yesterday had a Qbr of four on a scale of zero to one hundred and he made a couple of nights throws and did a couple nice things but he also threw two interceptions a sack fumble now and it's just kirk cousins. I said the day they signed him to eighty four guaranteed. He just became the most overpaid quarterback back in the history of pro football ain't close and Ginny doesn't have enough to show for Kirk cousins Laurie not having you do have feeling and you do have digs and you do have dalvin and then that should be enough to sort of carry the quarterback and on opening day they did beat the Falcons and he threw a grand total kirk cousins of ten in passes. He was eight of ten for ninety eight yards. They just said take the ball out of his hands but yesterday they were forced to put the ball back and they fell behind twenty one to nothing yeah yeah now. Let's look at Aaron Rodgers. He threw for as you say a grand total of two hundred nine yards which to me was still surprisingly low for Aaron at Lambeau so is he on the same page with his new head coach slash play caller no he's not on the same page and when he was really off page with him he let him yeah. No it very publicly and I know Shannon Sharpe despises that kind of public display of showing up some I do yeah I do and he laid it on him. Good and then he took the fall afterwards and he was kind of mellow abroad now daddy to air out did he started and finished because we got a whole lot of this is that and it looked like close to him it would you want me to do. Did you see look this but Aaron took the fall for another play where he thought he had a first down late in the second quarter and was actually four or one and Aaron just ran to the line and call it a play which got stuffed and he said that was my bonehead plays so he's still on his best behavior because they are two n zero. Maybe learning to division in Games two wins so maybe is growing up plus skip the packers of being able to do something they haven't been able to do in years past the running. The Football Aaron Aaron Jones Twenty three four yesterday three four one forty four so they're not solely relying on Aaron anymore. They can run the football but the defense is gonNA. We'll have the shutdown me putting pressure on kirk cousins but you can't let go. You can't twenty seven for a Buck Ninety eight zero three okay king. You won't win very like that nope but that'd be they got erogenous. They'll be going to be Grayton against your team in Lambo. I'M GONNA need to four points that will open up at well Aaron starting to look like Shell of that guy who was the guy the most transcendent rate is throw the football history and I'm not seeing that guy you guess when you go see media about five week four week yeah but that's Jerry Walker. He loves Jane Remember last time he was there. What have unfortunately big? Ben Is done for the season you will have surgery and after after injuring his throwing elbow against the seahawks yesterday Shannon initial reaction to the news this is not how they envisioned they thought they had a team that could really content especially in the AFC north but I guess ABC Leon would come in handy right about now but they don't have either one of those guys Mason Rudolph he played played. Well played well enough that they could trade jobs but skip. This is a huge huge blow to us so I think the browns are about to get a win tonight and they just got a huge huge break within this division Pittsburgh team. I thought it was going to be a little better than Cleveland is now in a shambles also sorry for been sounds like he's got some kind of almost like Tommy. John Elbow was bothering him last week. You don't see that among quarterback this year was not meant to be for the Pittsburgh steelers prediction tonight for score world on the farm and channel. There's a cow patty tossing contest that I'll be a little bit more interested in this. I'm GONNA take the I won't take the browns twenty three sixteen eighteen okay. I'll say fourteen but I still think Greg Williams will be devil's Acre a little bit with some crazy bullets Doug Odell doc

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