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49ers in Five: Lions comeback bid falls short, 49ers win 41-33

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06:10 min | Last month

49ers in Five: Lions comeback bid falls short, 49ers win 41-33

"This episode is brought to you by hp plus in a world full of smart devices. Isn't it about time. Your printer got smart to now. Printing is smart with hp loss and the hp smart app is how it all happens. You can print from your phone with just a tab no matter where you are even from your garage slash home office. Slash yoga studio mattis is smart. Hp plus learn more about smart printing at hp dot com slash smart Good morning welcome to forty niners in five your daily update on everything happening with the team that you need to know i am rob stats guerrero. Today is monday september thirteenth. Twenty twenty. one. Here's what's happening with your san francisco forty niners. Everything was great for the niners. They were rolling in detroit. They were up forty one to seventeen with about six minutes to go in the fourth quarter and then the wheels started to come off. The lions scored twenty three points in just over three minutes to pull within eight points. It all came down to one fourth down play at the niners. Twenty four yard line with fifteen seconds left in the gun. They're out of timeouts back. Time throws up left at the ground and can play no flags down the forty niners goodness. We'll get out of this with the victory. How did this get so close. Who cares. they're going to win the game sorted out later. That's greg papa. And tim ryan on knb. Mbr went to call forty one to thirty three was the final score. The good guys get the win man. This one was way closer than it should have been but the forty niners did play well for most of the game jimmy garoppolo included seventeen of twenty five for three hundred fourteen yards and a touchdown. He used his legs. Multiple times to extend plays. Jimmy was very very good in this. One deebo samuel also very very good nine catches one hundred eighty nine yards. He did have a huge fumble at the end of the game which allowed to to make one more last gasp at it but all in all nine catches for one eighty nine and a touchdown pretty damn good for deebo samuel also elisha mitchell filling in for remo who stunner got injured again nineteen carries for mitchell one hundred four yards including a thirty eight yard touchdown run. He looks fantastic now. That was the good but unfortunately we're talking about the forty niners here so there was some bad. I mentioned mitchell filling in for hema sturt. He left the game after just two carries with a knee injury kyle. Shanahan did say after the game. They don't think that it is a tornado. Also that is very good news. Unfortunately the news is not as good for jason barrett. He was hurt in a fourth quarter this game and unfortunately it does look like it is a torn. Acl it was a non contact injury. He was extremely distressed. Leaving the field after the game kyle shanahan called the injury crushing saying quote. I'm hoping for the best but it is crushing losing would would-be a massive blow as he's easily the forty niners. Best cornerback in a position where they are not very deep at all. Shanahan was asked about the possibility of bringing back. Richard sherman shanahan said that he had talked with sherman about a reunion before this game and said it's always a possibility they'll remember. Sherman does have a bit of a legal situation to work out after his car accidents. Slash sort of breaking and entering but not really weird situation there but there are legal ramifications there so that hell has to be sorted out before he can come back and of course. There's always the question of just. How much richard sherman has in the tank. He did not exactly look like his old self. The last time we saw him in a forty niners uniform. We always give you one thing to read one thing to watch either something to look out for or some actual highlight or twitter film to watch or one thing. You might have missed something to read on this monday. How about this tweet from seth. Walder of espn analytics. Yama door lenore as the nearest defender. And i guess. I'm going to read it to you. So it's a bit of a cop out fifty five coverage snaps four targets on lenore one. Catch just three yards allowed. That is awesome especially from a fifth round. Pick in his first game and the forty niners or sure as hell gonna need more of that which jason barrett likely gone for the year. One thing the wash aside for the official mres on most jason barrett. Keep an eye on the practice habits of brandon. Are you and trey. Sermon sermon was a healthy scratch. Before the game and i was mysteriously not starting and after the game kyle. Shanahan said well. His hamstring was a little banged up but also trends earned the right to be out there and he had been pushing a euch kinda surprising. Considering all the love that i been getting all preseason long from the media about how good he looks kyle. Shanahan seems to be giving him a little bit of tough love. I wonder if i was in a dog house once you get in the doghouse. You don't check out one thing. You may have missed nick. Bosa was back obviously. No one misses that he had a sack but t ford was back and he looked very very good. Afterwards nick bosa was asked about de ford achieve. Pretty well pretty busy. When he's on the field again keep an eye on him but is always rushing really hard There's a lot to improve upon. But i think it's a good surf both of us. That's a wrap on today's forty niners in five please. Rate review and follow the niners podcast network. You'll get this show. You'll get all our long form shows every week day. It is going to be crazy season. it's already off to a crazy start but enjoy the win. Enjoy your monday everybody. I'm rob stats carreira. We'll talk tomorrow.

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Stats & Eggs, 8/11: Jaquiski Tartt could miss Week 1 + Will Jalen Hurd be cut?

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04:18 min | 2 months ago

Stats & Eggs, 8/11: Jaquiski Tartt could miss Week 1 + Will Jalen Hurd be cut?

"Good morning i'm rob stats rare. Today's wednesday august eleven. Twenty twenty one. Here's what's happening with your san francisco. Forty nine we got a lot of news on tuesday. unfortunately not much of it was good. Let's start with the biggest news of the day. And that is an update on the health of safety jakubowski tart. Well let me just let kyle shanahan tell you not moving very fast right now. He hasn't been out there. And we miss the time with You know. I don't know how long it's gonna stay on pop but i don't seem come back soon right now when kyle shanahan says they thought he would be back and he's still not back yet. That is not a good sign for juice. Whiskey tart or the forty niners defense tart has missed twenty eight games over the last four seasons so this isn't exactly a surprise but you would have hoped that the turf toe would cleared up by now. Tony jefferson fellow. Safety is also dealing with a groin and hamstring injury. Which leaves jimmy ward. Tapan wilson talanoa who fonda and jared maiden as the top safeties on the roster more on that later more in this bad news dump things are not looking good for wide receiver. Jalen hurd he missed practice on tuesday and well to hear kyle shanahan tell it. That is not exactly boosting his chances of making the team. I mean hurts it. And i know he's battling back from a serious injury And we know the potentially has in the upside on how much we think he can help us. But he's got a show that and you know there's not a lot of time left but hopefully you can get in a groove where he has a chance to go out there and play some football and give himself a chance to make this team so far this year hurt his caught exactly one pass in eleven on eleven drills and this is now year three that he is in without ever having played a regular season. Snap for the team. The odds of jalen hurd making squad. Right now are looking like slim to none. In terms of the actual practice yesterday was one of the most physical days of camp. There were multiple training. Camp fights between offensive lineman lake and tomlinson and defensive lineman kevin givens. They scuffled twice at practice during the second fight. Alex mack playfully pulled. Nick bosa away from the scrum. That's a veteran. Move right there in other news kyle. Shanahan was asked which of his quarterbacks will play. And how much this weekend. And the usually honest head coach didn't have much to say i'm untold any of the players yet so tell them and then i'll tell you as soon as i do which i probably won't for a couple of days i would expect how shanahan's going to be asked that question a lot between now and saturday. We always give you something to read something to watch and something. You might have missed something to read on this wednesday. Espn has a column about which teams are most likely to go from worst to first this season of course as you might expect the forty niners are on it but are they the best bet to win their division the year after being in the basement after read it to find out something to watch kyle shanahan said. The team was a little light in the safety department. And they're trying to remedy that ha ha clinton dix clayton gathers bradley macdougald. An andrew. syndey. Deo are all working out for the team according to espn field. Yates something you might have missed remember earlier this week when we heard kyle shanahan get asked about alex mack swamp ass. If you thought it couldn't get any weirder you were wrong. Here's jimmy garoppolo. If definitely makes difficult. If you're not ready for it i would say i think i've learned my career how to deal with it but that's the best way i can describe as you're playing in a dry game and all of a sudden it's a rain game when you get the snap and so if you're not prepared for that i guess it could throw you off at times. I can't believe we're talking about. You can't believe we're talking about it. I can't believe we didn't lead with it. That's going to do it for today's edition of stats and eggs. Please take an extra second. Give us a rating review and a follow. We always appreciate it here at the niners nation. Podcast network keep your eyes open for the shannon plan with kyle posey and akash on varazdin. That's gonna drop later today. I'm rob stats carreira. We'll talk tomorrow.

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Oh Hey There! Could we see a Jimmy/Trey dual QB system in 2021?

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54:33 min | 2 months ago

Oh Hey There! Could we see a Jimmy/Trey dual QB system in 2021?

"Welcome episode four of the podcast. We are we are brought to you by the nation podcast network as always. I'm heavier end with me as usual. My guy leo. What's going on buddy. I'll just here over the weekend. Had a very very heartfelt guest arrive at my front door. My guy have your vega actually delivered my my unborn child leo who should be joining us in december. Hollywood ahead delivered a car seat as well as as a stroller for leo junior over there. So he he's definitely feeling feeling the love for from the hobby right now. Much appreciate it. I try i try to give you a shadow on post. But then i realized that i accidentally posted the address so then added quickly. Take it down. It was just complete all fail. I'll just wait a couple of days. And then i'll retry the reset button like what we might see at the quarterback position No problem Family tastes care family. This is the beauty of social media. You meet people and you can help each other out whenever you can so no problem shot to the wife and leo heavier luna junior is the name old is what's going to happen busy busy week. In the bay area the forty niners are in pads. Padded practices had happened since last time we spoke. We discussed a whole bunch of last week. And then trae lance decided to set the earth on fire right to practices ma'am ao. Goes going nuts on kamiar. Chris biedermann tweeted out. The best player in the field is trey lance dreher. Lance goes thirteen to fourteen in a practice to for twenty twenty. Twenty two am back toback practices and we are off to the races on this silent competition in san francisco so much to make out of everything. That's happened the last couple of days with the niners. How this quarterback battle slash non-competition. It's going down cost. A hindu seems to keep changing his tune players rave about the young rookie quarterback which is great right. And you're they're also saying positive things about jimmy garoppolo. So this is very good problem to have in san francisco with the quarterback position. It's been a while long. Gone are the days of cj beathard. Nick mullins you now garoppolo trae lance who by all accounts should be battling out for this this kubeck one position and then of course like always like clockwork monday morning quarterback or peter king. Put something out. Just in time for me and leo to pod about about lia. Would you make the past week with everything with trae lance. We had our guy jordan and jason out there Then of course. Ap and the other guys from not as nation out there talking about how great lance was and then matt maiocco goes on kamiar says. He's the best rookie quarterback he seeing. He's also the best quarterback on the field. Yeah i think it's literally everything you can ask for. If you're the forty niners what stores thing you do. Is you'd invest those three first round picks I say invest because they traded away to spent one on trae lance. Worst thing is to go out there. And you're saying jimmy. Garoppolo is best quarterback on the field. That's that's literally the worst. If you're a forty niners fan particularly a jimmy garoppolo van. You want to hear these things about trae lance Because all it's gonna do is give that fire to jimmy The ultimate competitor. Things like you said it's a year. Maybe two years too late for jimmy garoppolo to have that ultimate competitiveness and not have to have kyle shanahan forty niners spend his high capital to bring out the best clinical best out of jimmy. But you should just be rooting on all sides in. This is a win win. Scenario for cal shanahan. And i think he speaks about that That's quoted on in the money. Monday morning quarterback article for our breer It's a win win. Situation for the forty niners. Because not only that. You have two quarterbacks that i would. I'm going to say can start week one. You have two quarterbacks that can start week one but you have two different style. Quarterbacks you're able to use a different packages for these quarterbacks you have case keenum in new orleans But i think it's going to be that but three point. Oh not even to be hill hill. Christ man as rich matrix may say late late. It's alright haysom hill there. We go As sean payton uses tatum hill but three point. Zero version like completely skipping over the two point oh because trae. Lance is a better quarterback than tastes some hill. I think you can do more. And i'm the belief of kyle. Shanahan is a better play. Designer than sean payton. I think sean payton is a great coach. Obviously there's a reason why the new orleans saints competing every year. But i think college is a better place designer and with trae lance being better quarterback. You don't hear these things about some hill. Going out in training camp and balling out balling out light lake trae lance has done twenty of twenty two in two days straight Yeah i hear people say oh those those numbers. I don't trust those numbers you should you should. Do you think the same people that say. Oh i don't trust those because there's a lot of nuance in you don't really know what's happening or or stuff like that like there's not context involved into it. It's easy to say when the guy goes twenty twenty two. I guarantee everybody would be freaking out if the numbers were six twenty two. So yes louis shit you should take those numbers as a positive sign in not as a science ceo chill out. We don't know the context on that but it's cowshed hanson. Being his back week one week two week three week four i can guarantee all the way up until oh bye week As long as both quarterbacks are on the field cow china's has been his back. And that's that's what gets me pumped in. What gets me excited about it. We know who jimmy is. We know that. But we don't know is who is trey lance and i think we're gonna get early early action to seeing that based on what he's done in kampen playing himself into a role per cow Yeah i think that's it. The question is who is trillions. And i think the conversation about to me to me. It's not about jimmy garoppolo anymore. It's about trae lance everything now. Going forward is about trae lance. It's about kenny. Handle live bullets Because of any of this training camps transfers over to anything in the preseason is going to be very difficult for college shayna hinted to not play him right so we got football this weekend. Niners playing the city. How much is trey lands. Play and i think you said it there with what can what who is trailing. What can you bring to you. And i go back to these tweets and the notifications and the updates about this past week in training camp so a couple of weeks to touch on here map barrels. Another sharp day for trey lands. I have seven or eight eleven situations all four of his deep red zone. Snaps ended in touchdowns are guy brad. Graham trillions turn on the heat during the second team period with three great repsonse accession showed pocket awareness ability to escape the pocket find second and third reads and pinpoint accuracy. Kiddle a you dwelling on three plays freelances absolutely for real or guide your nellie trails just had a string of three. Extremely bursts of reps capped off by deep down between bracketed coverage. George cadle graham again. Four hundred freelance is by far the best quarterback on the field second day in a row. John middle-class posted the vince carter. It's over food at the dunk contest in reference to trae landlords quarterbacking the biggest one. I think jason aponte right. He said lands working with deebo and it looks like they're running option. Place potentially another wrinkle. Now i wanna go back to when i twenty twenty. I took a lot of crap on twitter and on my other podcasts. About how critical. I was of the offense and college. Shanahan and jimmy garoppolo and part. Why took so much crab bodies. Because i started listening to guys. Like steve young. I started listening to a lot more clearly and seeing what they wanted to do. there's a quote from steve young. This past is past. Twenty twenty season i want to say is about three or four and we all knew that there were some issues with jimmy garoppolo and call shannon or just this offense in general and i think what i found most most interesting about this past week is the complexity and the nuance of kyle. Shanahan trying to develop his offense and it took me back to this quotes. Here steve. Young on espn. I want say it was a monday night football game. You're steve young talking about jimmy garoppolo and shifts between kyle shan and jimmy. That's what matters. Kyle believe and can he have an expansive view booker. You hit it right on the head. They've created a that. Jimmy can be success. It's not the system that pile wants to run your went to gut is kyle is going to. Kyle's gonna be a coach there for ten years. He'll be one of the long term coaches when he finally done. Does he want jimmy demand with concocting offense for him or is he wants somebody that can actually be expensive and do all the things that are in my brain rattling around. That's what kyle wants to your point. About what kyle wants to do. Go back to win. College shanahan was atlanta falcons. That's what they wanna do. Yes zone wrong. But remember matt ryan. They throwing the football. That's look how shanahan wants to do. He can't quite do that. Wants to be expensive and this is part of why. I never got into the match jones. This part of why trae lands and justin fields made the most sense at three for four dollars. You're allowing your head coach. Like steve young said to be expensive. Playbook and by all accounts from folks who've been a training camp coach shannahan is running a bunch of variety zone. Read options deep shots. Everything that call probably had tucked away last. Four years is going to come out either. Either it's going to be starting or trey lance package right because you know cal keeps talking about this. Co two quarterback system think carl has finally got the ability now to be expansive. Which by you know for those folks. If you're on the jimmy side cool if you're inside i'm on the forty niners side. I'm in the middle. I don't care the name on the front will matters to me right. But i wanna see what his offense looks like with a quarterback that gives you that ability to be expansive to the ability to be super creative. 'cause already creative with deebo samuel how he gets those guys in space and you know kind of caters to jimmy garoppolo limitations and builds this offense up. Imagine giving a guy where he can use him as an extension of the offense which brings me to point about Mike mcdonald's this week telling guys were to be. He's an extension to coach. Daniel says these things like the four hundred. Tell themselves and that it's funny to me that they they can't help themselves so they just keep snitching on themselves in the public eye. And if you're not if you're not with me you know how i am. I'm not mr conspiracy guy but you start putting the pieces together and it's just like okay. There's one there's two boom boom boom and it goes down the list and you finally get your answer. I think we were slowly into the point where we talked about last week. The band aid may come off but it may take up to week one for that band. Come off and i think a lot of the whole oh. This is not a competition jimmy grapple. Starting i think it comes from. Ota's and the reason why. I say that is because kyle shanahan himself said that trey lance looked like a rookie in. Ota's he looked like a rookie and they come back. Forty days later. And what you said. With mike mcdaniel trae lances telling guys were to be trade trae lance cows and said no no longer looks like a rookie. He's able to take in this information and be short with it and so now it's like oh who k. Trae lances earned the right to play. He doesn't look like just a rookie. Were not gonna say to everybody. Hey this is a qb battle. Because ultimately i think cal shanahan's gonna want to see what he can do with pure pocket quarterback and then a guy like trae lance because if you're an opposing defense and you're preparing as jimmy garoppolo quarterback and then you just have that the slightest mindset of okay trae lance disney. Come here in play. Is couch enhance the trailer. It's gonna play you're only gonna work to place you're in a workplace and that those are going to be. Rpo's so it's either. You're gonna work on trae lance handing the ball off to the rhinebeck or trey lance keeping it in passing on a on a slant route to deebo or are you or or whatever it may be your in a workplace for that cow shannon for trae lance has over a hundred place over one hundred plays a guy like jan going to have over underplays retreatment easily. So it's just gonna throw ranch in defensive game plan if you go out there and say hey trae lances series not trae lances said a place you go out there and have a series for trae lance in week one against the story. Oh my god. I i i feel like cal. Shanahan head wants to see what that is and he is coming to that conclusion. Because the way trae lances playing is realizing okay Is ready might daniels realizing trae lances ready We're gonna give jimmy getting. We're giving jimmy garoppolo the shot Because if you don't hear you're just going all in completely ripping off the band aid which i'll be okay went you know i trust me daniel. I trust and if they made that decision. I'm all on board. Like you said i represent or i yeah. I represent the front part of the jersey where it says forty niners. I don't necessarily say trae. Lance is is my guy in a No not necessarily. Because i know you have is time. You'll definitely have his time But yeah you definitely get a restart button with jimmy garoppolo. And that's the benefit of having both of these quarterbacks. Because if we do that. Hey we're gonna roll out with trae lands for series or to a jimmy. Stay close to me. Because i may want to pull the plug on this whole series or two sooner sooner than i want to be Rather than if you go strictly board trae lance what you do with jimmy like are you. Keep him as a backup quarterback. I think he's more respected around the league than just sit behind trae lance week one So that's that's where it gets interesting. That's where it gets dicing. I think they both play week. One and i think it's just to be in his book bag for this. Thanks to t mobile for supporting this episode and for keeping baseball fans around the country connected to the game. Because when you're on america's largest and fastest five gene network you get more than coverage you get to stay close to your favorite team whether you're at home or on the road in other words t mobile is your ticket to the game. Make the switch to t mobile leader in five g. today that's this according to open signal awards based on average speeds and usa five day experience. Report april two thousand twenty one c five g. device coverage and access details at t. mobile dot com. So let's get to that. Call spoke about their plans. Their plans with trae well didn't speak about their full plans but he did. Bring it up Late last week. I'll get the coffee in hand. You got to be conscious of when talking to you guys. You know i understand that. That's everyone's air about and ever wants to know each day. I'll practice win. And his where is the are. They compete in all that stuff. And but it's very easy for me when i'm not talking to you guys because it's it is what i'm trying to articulate like you're just putting in an offense skies go out there and play football and i know it sounds coach cliche but i mean the twos in every group or trying to surpass ones and see trae the same way. He essence a quarterback position. I mean everyone is looking at that. But we're in a situation where i don't see them competing i see Trade gonna play for us this year. I mean whether it's analogous are running into twitter on that. I mean that situationally is gonna get place like that doesn't mean that he's going to go to start or anything is going to plays you gotta preparing for that every way possible every receiver. Who makes our team is gonna play this year I know it's different. But when yes quarterbacks different skill sets and stuff it kind of makes it easier for me to look at it similar to other positions and also i. I don't think it's a problem on our team and it's not a problem in their when we're discussing what we wanna do. Yes kyle you. We are going to run into twitter. Yes kyle we are going to break down everywhere to do said shall to jake. Hudson kmby are shanahan on first team. Reps august second. I haven't planned that at all. August third one rep run. Went in run win in that. We wanted all the old line to get to blocking with august. Six trae will get reps with the one. That doesn't mean the competitions open. Want him to get reps with the. I o line kyle. We know you like your shiny new toy. It is absolutely okay. But it's also like you. And i said last week it gives the ford honors no benefit to say publicly. It's an open competition if trae loses then. It looks bad if jimmy loses than you tank. Jimmy's value in potential trade. So yes carl. You're playing the smart but for those of us with the brain we see right through this. The oh absolutely and the biggest thing for me is just gonna like what he says. It's similar to different positions or you have different skill sets with these guys so when looking at say a qb competition. You're going to be like who who is better from the pocket who's better from the accuracy who who's at short game got the game. The differences with this quarterback competition is. Who's better from the pocket jimmy garoppolo. He's better from the Who's better creating say outside of the pocket obviously trae lance Not i'm not saying trae. Lance can't play from the pocket but just as far as the nfl experience in this in this system Jimmy garoppolo. I would say he's better from the pocket trae lance but who who's shown to be more accurate so far in training camp from everything i hear with their intermediate game jimmy garoppolo's more accurate with the intermediate game. And then who's been the big play machine trae lance has been a big play machine downfield And then you add it in. The the reductions from the quarterback position is obviously going to get that. Not jimmy garoppolo Jimmy bills get. Get none of those. Cj bathroom got one. Jimmy garoppolo get done with the forty niners. It's just it's really hard to say. Hey this isn't open competition considering that they are completely two different style. Quarterbacks kyle shanahan says that. I think it makes it a whole lot harder for them to evaluate. But also it's trae. Lance is in is gonna flash more so everybody's expect if this is an open competition trae lance is gonna win it. I think jimmy or couch. shanahan would find. His perfect quarterback is who he thinks trae lance could be in say hey gain gain the the plane from the pocket that jimmy garoppolo has now gained the intermediate accuracy. That jimmy garoppolo has now and that is perfect quarterback. So i i fully expect cal shannon to mix based on what he answered there to mix those those four different levels that i said or the baulk pocket outside of the pocket intermediate middle deep so five aspects whatever I think he's gonna make some With both these players. And you're able to do that. with trae. lances he gives you read options to where he is either in to give the ball to the running back or did himself using to give you. Rpo's and he's going to give you a whole different style of food freaking bootleg bootleg up. Play action passes than what you get from jimmy garoppolo because if there's fifteen yards of grass brenner trae lancia. I think he's gonna go and just took it and run on say thirty two or whatever it may be or even a thirty six I think alshon is is kind of invested to see what these two quarterbacks look like in in a game plan. And i think that's what we might see this preseason Maybe jimmy garoppolo against the first drive with the ones and maybe the second drive of the game jimmy garoppolo design but the first team offense line is still out there. I would not be shocked if we see that against the chiefs. Saturday i agree. You have to get him. These first team reps right. And that's the idea. You know the the issue right now is he's not getting first team offense reps versus first team. Defense let him go against the kansas city. First team defense. Who may be right because they're obviously not going to start all their players. Frank clark probably will play tire. Matthew probably won't play. But chris johns might not play. But you'll still get at least seven or eight guys who should be on the first team that defense to take you know maybe twelve fourteen snaps in that you know so. You're kind of hoping for jimmy to have a really good first offensive series. Five plays six plays touchdown or field goal and like like. Let's get run net. I rep first team reps it out. I think if they end up do having a long series say a ten play. Drive than i can see cal just like okay. I'm not gonna throw out my first team offense align again in that may throw ranch in the plan but fits the three now. I could definitely see the first night still out. There may be absent of alex. Mack in Goes to veteran. Guys you don't want getting so many snaps in the preseason can definitely see them leaving out tomlinson mcglinchey and most likely earned banks as the first team offense. Line out there for trae. Yeah i mean you have to see it now. He said if jimmy goes three now then obviously that's gonna suck because then then the questions really start right. How then. it's like jesus. Last time he played the chiefs last time we saw you you went you know we all know what happened. So it's just not a bad omen. So hopefully jimmy does not go three and out. Hopefully it's a six place. I don't play drive. And they have a field goal touchdown at least show. You're moving the ball recently. Yeah like a something. Big the biggest thing you know. We talked about jin car-loving his new toy. The foreigners quarterback competition according to shanahan crop lands. Our prayer had a really big piece last evening into this morning. I'm sorry sunday evening into monday morning. So by the time. You're hearing this of tuesday midday. the it opens up call. Shanahan didn't think he'd be here this fast. Northern anyone else in the ford artist building. I think it speaks to trails the pre-draft process right very smart. Probably the most the smartest guy in the draft class willing to be coached all the all the measurable here. I've ever had some really good things here with trae lance. You know carl shanahan speaks. He says i can tell lance put himself in position to play this year with what he did in the forty days away. Shanahan you get guy you get a guy for. Ota's they come in after rookie camp. Not as wasn't like pass. Ota's wouldn't do ten practices would endure the minicam. The reps we had were all cut in half because of everything going on and he was just trying to take everything in. He looked like a rookie quarterback. You could see the talent then you get away forty days and you wonder how he'd used that it's consistently trillions is growing on this offense. He's growing on this team. He's growing amongst his teammates. It is a very interesting dynamic. would trailer jimmy garoppolo. And you know if he is going to play and we're going to see that on saturday. This is the time he's going to have to show what he's been showing practices pre-season games if he's lighting up the for donors second team defense. You should be okay against the chiefs defense. I don't find anyone in the even to be super intimidating side chris jones. It's just it's really interesting. So you know you brought it up. How would how would trae lance be used. It looked like a colin kapp offense. And i know those those to name. Those two words you know can stir up some controversy in for land. But let's be honest you asking for a guy to run a read option. Run the option and then also throw on the run or from the pocket. He gives you all. These dynamics says basically a catholic You know the upgrade version. The updated colin kaepernick. Someone with a little more touch on the deep ball lou. More make you make you miss type of running style as opposed to call was really upright. Kinda just has to run past you. She getting a little bit more there. so it's very very interesting like we said gonna get be able to be expansive. It's gonna be exciting and getting him involved in that way. It's warier say like. I said that this conversation is just assuming that jimmy. Garoppolo is the by technical standards but by getting trae lance. Into that way you're creating for a high success rate for trillions these teams in the. Nfl have trouble game. Planning for a calorie have a game. Plan for russell wilson josh allen lamar jackson even patrick mahomes because he is very frigging mobile They have trouble for those guys. And the defense is spending one hundred percents of their effort to game. Plan for these guys jimmy. Garoppolo say he's your technical starter. How much time are they gonna put to game plan for trae lance five percent ten percent maybe fifteen percent fifteen percent at most at tops fifteen percent. So you're giving trae lance your rookie quarterback a high volume of opportunity in order to succeed When he's out there. These teams are saying game planning for him. They're gonna gain plan for trae lance to keep the ball as a runner and then game plan for trae lance in rpo which is usually going to be something short calcining Definitely draw the game plan for trae lance say. Get get five passes from the pocket. Ain't no team in the nfl. Game plan for trae lance from the pocket so when trae lance is out there during the game in his packages While jimmy garoppolo on the sideline defenses are gonna see something completely new that they didn't game plan because Planet for two aspects of trae lances game yet trae is a five tool player in cal- hand knows that and i don't think kyle shanahan is go out there blatantly like sean. Payton does with some hill in say. Oh you know a quarterback. Power isn't a camera here. No he can open up the bag a lot more for trae lance in. That's how he gets involved is he's in a using from the pocket in Rpo's in use them in read options to use him Out on the boot literally a five tool player. Cows shannon's able to do that with a trae lance compared to take some hill who. He's had success with the saints when he goes out there on at quarterback position and yet tastes hills to to to a play compared to a five mil Yeah he's tim tebow for sure. So it's just like man if an ends able to get trailer out there for those ten plays and has a high success rate with those ten plays dash is going to speed up trae lances process and becoming a franchise quarterback in this league. Yeah five tool analogy when we got that one baseball. No yeah no. I agree the niners were looking for you know. That's i think that's part of why they're the process was looking for five tool guy or fourtou guy Mac you're looking at a guy with two two two gears and that's just an issue. The quarterback position is is it. You know it. It's everything everyone was talk. I i know it's the most important position but there are other things going on with foreigners this off season or this training camp but before we get that know keeping keeping a reset button by starring jimmy garoppolo. It is a good thing. Right that reset button is still there. You know you can call College shown to manufacturer an offense for jimmy garoppolo. If need be. I think that gives them the flexibility. Just in case trade doesn't perform well in preseason. You still have. That thing is part of why there is no quote unquote public. Open competition at the quarterback spot. You wanna be able to make sure. Hey look trays close. But he's not that close. You know what i mean. And you're able to go out there. Which garoppolo and then you know like we said there's another option there where you can get a mid later on in the season but i'm still very much of the mindset. Hey look you can beat the lions and philadelphia by running the ball and passing the ball. Maybe under twenty twenty five times to get at least they'll reps for trae lands in there but again college. He's a little more valuable to this team than you know a late round. Pick but who knows what's going on around the league shawn watson still in limbo the colts. We don't know how long this five twelve week injuries. Which is a really weird range. What's dan we're going to do it. Drew lock in teddy bridgewater. It you know maybe jimmy grow does become available. Maybe someone gives up a really big offer which is also brought up in this eminem. Qb peace with with our prayer. There was to me a lot of this red lexa posturing right yeah some trade posturing from and from jimmy garoppolo right. It doesn't. it's listen for the folks that are online who read for twitter on regular brace on a regular basis. People defend jimmy rebel. He's family member. Which is fine. But it's there's some you know. What did jimmy garoppolo say. Hey says in reference to all the rumors he says you hear all that stuff he says. I don't know how much to put into it because you start thinking one way and then something happens and you go the opposite way. That's going to make it even tougher out here so really just tried to take a day by day and even right now anything could happen. I was traded two days before the trade deadline a couple years ago. I noticed league anything's possible right. And then he goes on to say or there goes on to say. That's why barring a teams who begin with a big offer offer garoppolos likely to be on the team. You know there's there's little tidbits in here like hey come get me. Get me which i really think. Cows prepared to start trae. He just won't publicly. Say it and these pieces you know. We all know teams utilize the media to get any message out and breer in this speaks of that. That's why barring teams would be in with a big offer for garoppolo. Both quarterbacks are likely to be on the team. So they're saying hey look he's open. We're open for business. What is that big offer though. Is that you know anyone who read the dealer kurtenbach piece. He mentioned the niners were offered a six round. Pick now for jimmy garoppolo. That's not going to get the job done right. Call john lynch and college. Shanahan are getting out of bed for that. And i wouldn't either so you're gonna have to up that offer. Maybe a third round pick. Maybe it is a late second round pick. Maybe it's a it's a conditional second round pick right like you figure something out there where you're getting a little more guy. Jimmy garoppolo i think with the way trae lance has been playing your little more flexible with the return. On on a jimmy garoppolo if trae lances in playing the way he has in training camp has been ahead of the learning curve is at a place where nobody in that building expected him to be. I think if you're gonna move jimmy garoppolo. You're saying hey demille freakin first round. Pick but now that trae lances ahead of that learning curve. You could say okay. yeah The big offer is now say top sixty. Pick a top seventy five pick. It's no longer that top thirty to pick that it once was for jimmy. Garoppolo would also shows other teams of jimmy garoppolo saying that it's like a. I'm i'm not completely tied into the forty niners. If you wanna come get me come me and our breer saying hey jimmy garoppolo not completely tied to the forty nine or so. If you want to go get him. He still available. So yeah it is kind of it kind of that that that makes language that Say that sign. You know how the third base coach gives you gives you sign when you're about to go hit as baseball player. That's basically what that is. You're not showing everybody in the stadium if what you're telling the guy to do but you're you're saying that in your own sign language In this way it's the literature sign language into this cap off their quarterback quarterback talk with a quote from jimmy garoppolo from the piece. I always wanted to be the starter. I don't want you to take this the wrong way. Garoppolo says i always want to be the starter. Always fight to started but at the end of the day. I'm a football player. i'm loving it right now. it's a competition. it's a competition. that's what you're here for. I'm ready for whatever the first person to openly admit it's a competition is the current quarterback one jimmy garoppolo. So take that for what it's worth but that says a lot and you've heard a couple times in the last couple of days. Trent whims menton competition shorts. Kettles mentioned competition devos mentioned competition. Basically everybody on the team except for the head coach has mentioned competition. You mentioned deal samuel. I find it kind of interesting now that he's regarded around the the building. Skinny deebo opposed to normal. Say tree trunk people samuel now. He's skinny deal. This season the with the twosies but now he's a slimmer version of deebo and guide the saying he wants to run more vertical routes in less gadget. Gadget plays who knew how does how does that happen. Who plays quarterback so deebo samuel is going to invest his whole off season training for jimmy garoppolo to give him those vertical rods Forty nine sign off on that training in today. Sign off on. Deebo samuel training as Anticipation saying hey. If you wanna go for gopher is lance could definitely be your string quarterback But yeah back into it with jimmy. Garoppolo saying competition i. I think it's more so as like his language is more so saying trae lances pushing me every day to be the best my ability. So he's he's out there to compete and it's allowing me to compete at at a higher level compared to a nick mullins or or cj bathroom. Because they're they do what jimmy garoppolo does just on a far less version of what apple does compare to train. Lances is competing at a different level with his natural athletic ability. Jimmy garoppolo hasn't had a face that eastern illinois. He didn't have to face in new england. 'cause obviously tom brady was ago. There's no way he was on the surpass him and there is no way anyone was in surpass garoppolo. Qb to and then he comes to the forty niners. You no competition there at his position now he does so. I think it's more so as someone competing for his job rather than saying. Hey this is open competition. And if trae lance looks better than me. He's gonna win the starting quarterback job i just. I think he means like competition as trae lance out here to take my job and i'm going to not allow that to happen. I know what i'm saying. They're kinda of sounds like okay. Leo you are kind of saying it's an open competition. Then i'm just saying like hey he's out by he feels someone's coming for his job rather than the past where he where he never felt. Yeah so that's based. I think that's what he's saying is he feels the pressure using. He knows there's someone breathing down his neck. He has up his play. Now whether that means he's gonna lose his job Exactly yeah he. He knows at the team. Invested in this player he knows players highly regarded in the building and the players going out there and competing area So i think that's what it means. It's like this whole tray lance to be two or qb one b is bringing out the Competitor within himself and always go back to using. It's unfortunate that it ticket to get there. I mean it. It's unfortunate that it took all this for that to happen. And i don't even i hate bringing up people's contracts but bro you can. You can pay like a top eight guy you gotta play like it. You gotta practice like it is the business. And he's aware that this is a business but that puts a cap on the quarterback competition and conversation for for tonight but Couple more positions on the team. That are drawing a lot of interest. Trench field is he the legit wide receiver three option for the forty niners. This is another feel-good cam story. I'm going to go with yes and no meaning. Yes using the competition and no. This is not just a feel good camp story. I think he's consistently making plays in camp and that just can't be You can't you can't ignore it. However it kind of goes back to a point that i had made a couple of weeks back about. I wasn't concerned about why receiver three because call hint still calling the place. Do we have a competent wide receiver. Three who can execute east plays and be in get wide open and yes trencher field gives them that ability. He has good hands. He's able to get good releases based on some of these one on one reps. So yeah he's in contention for wide receiver. Three i think he makes his team on the depth shari's probably wide receiver five depending on what happens with jalen hurd And he's also going to be a special teams guy so he's gonna make team because special teams and then of course. He has wide receiver but more so his special teams ability first and then why receiver. second so Do not have a wide receiver three threes new right now. And then you have to have the battle out for four jalen hurd and trent sir fielder battling out. So we'll see what's up without heard but i think sure fields gonna make this team. I think he's going to have an impact. I think he's going to be at fifteen balls for two twenty right maybe touchdown and then has all the punt and kickoff return. So that's that's just what you kind of want out of the guy down on a minimal contract who's gonna give you these some of these some valuable snaps you know and and that's and that's what that's all you can ask for right. I keep going back to the number seventeen percent. That's what kendrick born gave you. Seventeen percent of the receptions. We just need seven percent from either a group of guys or one guy and sheffield seems to be guy who could potentially give them that. So yeah i mean. I don't think it's just a feel good cam store. I think it's actually pretty legit and you put them in the right often in situations madame matter circumstances matter. He's in a better place here with. Kingsbury is not the author of genius that people make him out to be some guys if need to get a fresh start in new spot and san francisco seems to be the spa trencher field. The shine absolutely and he's he's guaranteed himself a lock on this roster based on what he's done in camp so far even looking at the contract wise you have Deebo samuel jalen hurt those guys as far as their. They're younger rookie contract guys. There they call the most dead cap if they were to be released. Obviously you're not going to do that with those three players but the guy coming number four for the dead cap on the wide receiver position was trent sherefield. He would have caused it causes more than releasing a mom. It's new than kevin white than a river. Cray craft than a ritchie james Than than in austin watkins junior. This is exactly what the forty niners needed out of. Trench sheffield based on his dead capping being higher than the other guys. That is trying to make this roster. But i think this is something you said. A while ago this wide receiver threes. Not going to be up to one guy like it was basically with kendrick more i think. He legit put himself in the mix. Initially i believe it was going to be a mixture between muhammad's sanu and jalen her working in as Three now i think its muhammad's new jalen hurd entrench sherefield. They're going to have three different options at that wide receiver. Three and what we've seen from camp from all the is in years that we know that are there in person out of those. Three trench sure feels the best downfield threat. He's been making plays downfield. Obviously a lot more than jalen hurd or else you would see go viral. Jalen her did something downfield. Allot more than muhammad's nukes. That's not part of his game anymore. mama's news a work that big slot Go inside go outside and you know. Do some skinny post But if you wanna guy to go deep from the slot may you know maybe run up the scene. It's probably be sherefield job to win a doing that from the slot position writing some seen routes So i think he. He definitely opened up the door for that for three man. Wide receiver. Three competition in honestly. I'm fine with that. what we're seeing from. And he's going out there with this with this confidence I saw the at the stadium where they were working. Some nine invader outs on against the sideline and he just made a play over mark fields. Which murphy is probably not a guy that makes a roster but a lot of people didn't have sherefield is making the roster either this point you know and he goes ahead. Bruns that nine route scores a touchdown and gets into mark fields phase. So yes ultimate swag to get the guys confidence on Nine right now And that's what you wanna see. You want players. That have confidence that can go out there and feel like the baddest man on the field and i'm excited to see what trans sherefield can do. I know he's made vertical place with the arizona. Cardinals now trae lances in. I think he can make some vertical plays with trae lance unless jimmy garoppolo decides to drop more bucket passes like he did it. Deebo samuel over dry greenlaw the other day. But he's he's going to be a vertical slot that i'm saying that's going to be his role. He's going to be the vertical guy from the slot. You're short your your in and outs prowling. Be the mom. It's a new gadget. Play from slots probably gonna be jalen. Hurd yeah you gotta you gotta moneyball this position until you hit the next draft and then you go from there and you see what's in the free next year you'll should. You should have the money freed up after potentially trading or releasing jimmy garoppolo. After the season koshien hint spoke pretty highly transfer. Field question was transferred field at practice. It seems as though he keeps showing up. What are some of his best qualities. The wide receiver call shanahan. He just goes as hard as he can and doesn't worry about anything. I mean you can tell is self made guy who's probably made it on special teams. He's always trying to earn more. I mean he doesn't worry about anything. He practises hard as anyone out there. Just so aggressive and everything. He does think that's why he's showing up every day in had one of our best camps as a receiver the treasurer field count never praises anybody. Like i think. Carl praises fred warner jimmy ward. And that's it so this is close appraiser you're going to get from kyle offensive players so trencher field I think he has a really strong chance to make the team. You know the reposition. There's been a point of concern. Think more so. I think we were right on. It lasts the first episode. We did cornerback is going to be the one. That's going to be the biggest issue on this team. So why was he. Three hundred four hundred fans. Don't really i wouldn't worry about it too much Also real quick is since. We're talking about that. If trencher field is you know getting some some time at that wide receiver three position. Does that leave store. Door open. Still with ritchie james. Soon here i know. I haven't been the highest on him but it seems like he has been doing a little better from what i've seen in video on on his routes He got like a a seven rallying. Jimmy ward the other day and got a touchdown on that when they were working some rides on one once Or do they just completely go with the special team upgrade which they weren't good on special teams last year at all it was it was kinda ugly to watch So do they go with the specialty. Upgrading go with symbol webster. If they don't think. Richard james seniors to get that much rent i think they. I think neither one of those guys makes he. I don't think richie or team. I think you're gonna use as your punt return. Kick return guy You probably try to keep to michael on the roster to help out with kick return and punt return and go from there because ritchie james has had his opportunities thomas. Thomas aren't you have of the guys that can fill that role so no. I don't think this opens the door for any one of those guys. I think it opens the door for like a river craft or an awesome watkins. Junior to my guy walk ins Who've been playing much better and who give them just a little bit more dynamic in the red zone Regimes you know at this point. It's just is this year four for him. You know if you if you haven't done in the first three you're not gonna do it in this one specially that they were basically eating off the bone at that wide receiver position last year. They give many run eating off the bone he just had the had the scheme game the ski. That's what i call it. The skin game were culture him. Why the hell open and if you heard call after that remain games like all that stuff was designed for. I pry finishes with two hundred twenty two hundred thirty yards in that game so it is. It is far before we get out of here. Cj henderson has become. I guess technically available in trade former first the jags. The jags don't wanna trade him. Benjamin albright spoke about the situation. He's going through some personal stuff. The jags don't wanna do it but they are open to potentially trading him. Now what does it cost to do that. We spoke about the cornerback. Position being a little within would you tray for. Cj henderson yes. I would trade for cj henderson. However what do we have to trade. The niners has given up all their draft capital essentially to get up trailer. I mean it sounds when i say that all the drug capital but they only have five picks twenty twenty two before competitor pigs come into play etc etc. As of right now they have five picks in two thousand twenty two. They don't have any i. I don't know if i'm giving up a second round. Pick for c. J. anderson if he has some personal off the field issues. I don't know if i'm over third round pick. i'm not. I'm not certain if i want to do those things Jags don't need a quarterback. They have lawrence. They don't need who no one's trading for a running back. Do we have a wide receiver to trade. Probably not maybe a defensive lineman you know maybe wanna send one of these this deep down to with a pick. I just don't think deniers have the assets to make a move right now. I think the niners are gonna make a trade. It'll be midseason. Yeah let's farage's like what. What access do they have to move. Its they're gonna want to invest little draft cast capital as possible and when looking at the compensation tori picks for next year. Are they gonna get any. They didn't get an emmanuel sanders contract like they did the year before So i don't think they're gonna get any third or fourth rounds at all it at all so when looking at it like who could potentially adding on top of possibly a fourth round pick. Arden key i don't. I don't think jacksonville zeph ziesel shire. Jacksonville doesn't do that Drake grain law. I don't think they do that. And i don't like forty niners would obviously do that to go ahead. And get in a corner like c. J. anderson with three years on a rookie deal Still left they. I think they would definitely give up green offer that but i don't think jacksonville does that So it's just. I don't think forty niners necessarily have the assets that they would want to give up or that there. Okay with fraying of because jackson Jacksonville could probably take too. But they don't want to don't want wanna trading they Yeah it would it honestly if it's not even causing one who would probably have to be a two in twos type of package to get. Cj henderson and with the forty niners not having their once for two thousand twenty two in two thousand twenty three. They're not training away. Tutu's for for for cj henderson as well because then now you're just like i said you were on bones eating off the bone for that. A wide receiver position last year would be eating off the bone for draft capital the next two years if they went ahead and did that. I just don't think it's possible. Yeah they're gonna. They're gonna bargain shop if they need to for corners. I think the one name that comes up to me is lonnie johnson out of houston. That might be somebody who might become available whom who would fit the scheme who i think the niners would have interested in. So maybe they work something out there. But as far as henderson goes now just Author poor from benjamin albright in his tweet. He says best way to put it. Cj's working through some personal things. Jags don't want to deal him but would for the right offer. So that's where we are with. Cj henderson thing ford honors have gotten better play out of angry thomas the last couple of practices. Moseley's back off code so we should potentially have three starting level corners for the outside. Jason bread has apparently been lights out in every practice which is go back into his wolf form which is a very good thing for the four dollars. We all pray that he is healthy for all seventeen games A lot to get to next week. I'm sure because we will have a game to rewatch cover. Yes they play the cheese on saturday the route with super bowl rematch. That's how they'll they'll post it online but it's not. I just wanna forget about that already just like on years ago. Now we're done. What are we doing here. Let that go but yeah then. 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Niner Faithful Radio Niners arizona review

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Niner Faithful Radio Niners arizona review

"What's of yours boy down faithful. How's everybody doing. Merry christmas is my favorite type of monday. It is a victory. Monday hashtag victory screech. Yes take you. Spongebob forgiving us the victory Before we get started today we of course we want to remind everybody. You only have three days left in our holiday sale. Make sure to go to nine hundred faithful radio dot com slash shop and use the promo code faithful with all of our non affiliate products to save twenty percents news. From the game jordan willis went out with ankle Cows shanahan has a presser today at three thirty so we will go ahead and let you know what happened with that in today's episode of good morning empire. I guess tomorrow's episode of good morning on empire. Okay this is the first. The niners have improved that thirty to twenty seven against arizona and fourteen and fourteen on the road. This is the first time we have back to back. Road wins against arizona since two thousand twelve two thousand dirt teen the niners are now in the fourteenth pick for those who care about the draft and we can finish no lower than sixteen and no higher than ten see. The niners have had a touchdown in the first quarter in six consecutive games. It is the first time we've had a streak like this since two thousand two and it is the longest streak in the nfl. We'll see we improved in our six wins or plus seven in the turnover battle and our nine losses. Were minus seventeen as we always say. Turnovers are key to football The office of had three quarterbacks threw for three touchdowns in a game is the first time since the cry girls did it. In twenty fifteen are two hundred. Thirty two rushing yards are the most sense last year we had two hundred twenty seven versus carolina. That's obviously regular season. The niners have had seven point two yards per play on fifty-six plays and only three sacks given. I know that one of my keys to victory on the preview show was the not let cj beathard get sacked. I know arizona have fourteen coming into the game so to only give a three is dasa law sacks but still. That's better than they were. They were getting. Let's see so for those who think. George kittle is not important for him to play green bay. We have fifty five yards rushing new orleans. We have forty nine yards rushing l. a. One hundred twelve buffalo seventy six washington one hundred eight dollars. One hundred and fifty. So last last week was kind of Astros should be all that because dallas was the worst run d in the league so for those who don't think george killer should have played yesterday. Have come on that. That's a direct impact on the game. let's see we're going gonna go ahead and get into george kittle five targets four catches ninety. Two yards played twenty eight snaps which was fifty percent of the snaps and have forty eight yards yak. And we all see the difference that he made in the run game. Welcome back kittle. Corn best hide the league. Very travis kelsey. Even though he broke his record he did it on more catches Let's see cj beathard thirteen or twenty two three touchdowns. I'm that's not bad. I think that look i. It's not a gave this to go down. One of the greatest games played by a quarterback can either history or anything like that. But i mean. I think we saw he did what was necessary to win. That one turnover which i wouldn't even necessarily fall him for mike for clemency Anyway but you know c. J. was efficient and he went out there and played football to the point where. I think we could win like that. I think that that's winning football. I think we could be the. She cox playing football. Jeff wilson. junior are are jada. As i like to call him towards carries one and eighty three yards one touchdown reception two hundred four total yards the most since frank gore had two hundred and four are sorry two hundred seven against the she cox in week. Two two thousand nine season he also becomes. The first are sorry. That's another note I know there was another one. About joe wilson here. Maybe there wasn't Jus two touchdowns quarterback sneak. That was really dope jews because the first fullback since fred beasley in two thousand on september third score two touchdowns are two touchdown receptions in a game congratulations juice. He wants that. Big free agent money hashtag page use okay. Brandon are euch only two targets one. Catch fifteen yards one kerry fifteen yards. I think it was very clear that kyle was trying to go. Outside of the receivers in this was a run game and feature. George kittle game Not a bad plan. I think hard to argue with the win But he is one hundred seventy nine yards short of jerry's rookie record for receiving yards in franchise history robbie gold now. The decision is made needs to be made by saturday about the last final. Two years of his option. That will make him. The second is paid. Kicker in the league This year has mrs have all been from fifty but this one was concerning because it was an extra point and not from fifty. Now kyle shanahan did say that. The team will take in to consideration the whole body of work. Do these had. And he's played way too much football way too much good football you know for them to judge them on one bad game chess later. I think they're going to pick up the option and kyle shanahan says look you know came on the line. What new orleans. The yams all these games. He's won us with clutch field goal. Kicks and the one. We lost last year by missing field goal. Yeah i think. I'll say ahead doesn't wanna play with the kicker robbie is going to be back and i think this is just a fluke. Now the defense held arizona few as yards per play all season on four point four on eighty place. That is insane. Four point four yards on eighty place. There were four of sixteen twenty five percent of third down. Four of six six percent of fourth down we held kyle murray to two hundred and thirty yards passing on fifty attempts and deondraye hopkins to only eight catches on forty eight catches. Were forty eight yards. We also held. Kyle murray to three hundred thirteen for for ninety nine yards on throws of ten plus yards. Robert solid for president. Look at if people don't hire him as a head coach this year. Frigging idiots man. I don't know what more to say Jason garrett amazing game. I we can we give that that. Pass break about hopkins. I mean hashtag Jazz avera amazing game A killer weatherspoon loved it. We're going to go ahead and give him the bam fred warner. Mvp defensive mvp of the week Really considering all the circumstances played the game of his life now with all that being said go. Put it together back to back weeks. Kyle shanahan said there believe again after the work that has been putting in behind the scenes after the miami game and he was challenged by this coaching staff. Very proud ac- okello Bounce back now. I'd like to see them. Put it together back to back weeks the pick of the game. I mean that's going to go ahead and be are turning point of the game right. There was picking the end zone. I mean that. That's where i was just like look. We're not going to lose. His gave of defense is just not going to let us lose it Marcel harris great tackle for loss against column murray marcel Various more was making his presence. Felt all game. Same thing with the keller witherspoon night to put it together for back to back weeks and See that maybe strong safety might not be a need for us. Carry hyder amazing game eight and a half sacks a new career high awesome. Great dec- kittikorn. Mvp of the week off of every day of the week. Jeff wilson junior also before we wrap it up today The tv deal this getting worked on will include eighteenth week with seventeen games. You'll still get one by week but will bring about a million billion dollars in revenue. So hopefully that happens and the salary will streak last. Make sure everybody to go to nine hundred faithful radio dot com ford's shop enter the promo code faithful to save twenty percent off of our non affiliate products. We shall see On friday for nine faithful radio preview till then fave levin happiness go niners.

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Common Bonds: McVay, LaFleur, Shanahan

The Adam Schefter Podcast

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Common Bonds: McVay, LaFleur, Shanahan

"Hi there. Julie Foudy here. Use was silly enough to give me the green light on a podcast, and it's called laughter. Permitted. We talk to these awesome trailblazers in sports about the joy and chaos of life such as Kerri Walsh Jennings. Simone byles Mia Hamm, so gig, comfortable loose soon after permitted and so is best singing support for laughter. Permitted comes from ally. You and settle for a two star spin class a personal trainer, would you? So why settle for Bank that treats you just like another number? Ally knows you deserve better and their mission is to be just that. And with ally Bank. You'll get interest rates up to twenty times the national average you can chat with real people twenty four seven, and they won't nutmeg you with hidden fees allies team actually cares about doing right by you and your money so go to A L L Y dot com for more ally Bank, member FDIC. See? On this week's Adam Schefter podcast coming out of the NFL owners meetings leading up to the NFL draft. We sit down to speak with Rams Ed coach, Sean McVay who has deprived of the NFL year that he's going to share with us. We'll talk to the Green Bay Packers new rookie head coach Matt leflore about the transition to becoming a hey coach and we'll speak to forty Niners. Hey, coach cow Shanahan whose team holds the second overall pick in this month's draft. But first, Sean McVay where Rams head coach, Sean McVay. Thanks to the time in advance, Sean preciado, very much how how has your life been since the loss in the Super Bowl. Yeah. You know, it it's been good at him. I mean, obviously disappointing way to end the season. But I think when you look back reflect on really the journey and the entirety of what the season entailed so much appreciation for players for coaches being able to go through some adversity in love the way that our guys responded. And then there's been a lot of. Moments that we can reflect back on certainly losing that Super Bowl. You know, that's things and you don't shy away from that. But I think the biggest thing that we try to take away whether you win or you lose it's a learning opportunity and for us, you know, we're excited about getting our guys back, but it's been good. It's good to be here. And it's been fun. So you say learning opportunity. Yeah. What did you learn? Well, I think you learn about all right? How can you better prepare specific to the two weeks that that game entails as far as you know, having the week at home and then the week leading up to the Super Bowl. How can you put in game plans? They give your players all purpose answers. If they do something that's a little bit different than maybe what you've seen on tape. And then how can you continue to just have a good feel for the flow of a game? And making sure that you're in tune with that to make good decisions specific to win in the game and all three phases based on the foot the feel the ebbs and flows of that game. And you know, really that's every game Adam. But specifically that one did being in that game change your life at all just in the way that people look at you the recognition factor. The profile. Have you noticed any change? You know, I think right season. I think because it went so well, and and being in a role where sometimes that put the camera on you, you know, you get recognized a little bit more. I think just the magnitude of the game with how many people view the game. Definitely it increases. You know, the the amount of people that recognize you. But it's a good part of it. It's it's humbling it's flattering. And I think the biggest thing is the platform that the NFL provides. And then when you're on a team like we were where you're able to have you know, as much success as we did last year. I think naturally you get a little bit more recognition, but that's a positive you've coach the Rams for two years. Yeah. You already have a head coaching trait. What does it mean to you to have Matt leflore be the head coach of the Green Bay Packers to have Zack Taylor your former quarterbacks? Coach be the head coach of the Cincinnati Bengals. What does that mean to you? Well, I think it's awesome. And I think it's a reflection of the success that we've been able to have, you know, together with the Rams, and then Matt did a great job in Tennessee. But you know, these are reflections of these guys. Earning opportunities that are very well. Deserved. These are great coaches that were instrumental and a lot of the success that we've had over the last couple of years Zach, and I just working together the last two years in in couldn't be more impressed with him. And I think he'll do an outstanding job in Cincinnati. But then also Matt we go back to to Washington and Iino Mike Shanahan, you know, had a had a good eye for for guys that I think he saw some potential in and gave me an opportunity to be the, you know, the first time I got a chance to coach position this league yard me as a tight end coach working with Kyle and match. So, you know, it's awesome. But I think it's it's it's deserved in. These guys will do a great job. What was it like to be the titans? Coach in Washington is your first coaching job. Well, it was awesome. You know, working with guys like Chris Cooley, and we had Fred Davis. And I worked with Jordan Reed early on in his career. But I think that just get a chance to work on a staff where you know, Adam from your history of some of these guys going back to Denver what a great coaching staff. They are thing. Mike, Shannon, implemented, a standard of performance and really an expectation every day when you come in. You're coming to get better at football. And there's there's. No law. No detail really is is brush by everything is so important. And and how meticulous he is with his preparation the way that he goes about it. You see why he's a world champion coach think about who came off that Washington Redskins Steph? How about that you cal- Shanahan Matla floor. Oh, yeah. Mike shanahan. Am. I who am I missing. I'm sure there are a lot of coaches on there. You know, we we had a we had a lot of great coaches there. But I mean, you're talking about three guys is right there that that are head coaches in this league. But you know, Mike had such a great way about himself in terms of the way that he led in the consistency. I which he operated, and we talk about all the time. Adam consistency is the truest measurement of performance. And I think Mike Shannon's one of the more consistent coaches I've ever been around and learn so much from him. And you know, I know he's ruined for me. And he's been supportive except for twice a year. When you go up against college. She's allowed to root for the forty Niners question easy excuse for that. You also worked for Jon Gruden day in Tampa. What did you learn from him? Well, I think John's, you know, really the thing that's consistent with both. He and Mike is the work ethic. And you know, the the passion for football. What John did for me is really he taught me the foundation of everything I know about this game. Adam, you know, it's not just seeing the is through if you're coaching tight ends quarterbacks. It's how can you see it? You know, really from a twenty two man perspective. Are you able to talk to the offensive lineman and defensive lineman the same way you coach a quarterback on his drop? And I think for that. You know, I'm forever grateful. I was able to get exposure to a lot of different schemes and plays specific to what things you like versus the different defensive structures. And and then really, you know, how to present. You know, I got a chance to spend a lot of time with him and his infamous f- FCA and really that first year we're spending some time over at the Saint Pete times forum before he ended up getting his big office that he had you know, I learned so much and really challenges you where you're almost interview in every single. Day and to do that with Jon Gruden. It was almost like getting your doctorate in in football coaching. You know, uh in a short amount of time you ever helped with any of the Gruden quarterback camps for the guys that came. I didn't I didn't at the time. But really he got a chance you talk about training to be a coach where you're presenting you're learning, and you know, he's he's he's on. I think he implements a certain standard similar to what we were saying with Mike, but I'm forever indebted to both those guys and those are two my biggest mentors, and and guys that I feel so fortunate to have been around, and there are other people who am I missing in the development of Sean McVay who else do we was a big part of it as well. And you know, I think what you learn from Jay, as you know, he gave me an opportunity to be a coordinator in this league and call plays that, you know, I think was was really, you know, a great opportunity for me to be able to learn under his guidance in. I don't think I realized how much he really protected me when I was versus offensive coordinator where I was really young for the job. And I think he kind almost eased me into aware. All right. I'm gonna let you take on more roles as you show and demonstra. That you're capable of handling it. But he always protected me, you know, from a media standpoint where he always took the heat specific things that went on with our team. But then also our offense, and I'm forever indebted to him. But I think the ability to empower people as great trade, and it really is a great reflection of his security and himself and what that does. In terms of the report creates for your coaching staff is really powerful. Now, you're back into division. Cal Shannon's back division p carols back news. We have a new rookie head coach in cliff Kingsbury, you've relationship with cliff. I do what advice do you have for a guy like that takeover? Now. I know you don't want to see him due to wheelchair. But what what advice? Do you have for a guy like that? You know, Adam he's been head coach longer than I have. So I don't think he needs much vice for me, you know, I got a chance to just get to know cliff through some mutual contacts. You can seize got a nice presence about himself even just watching him interact with the players haven't spent a lot of time talking football. But some of the things when you flip on the tape, and you're able to just see what he's done at Texas Tech specific to the offensive master. He has it's going to create some problems for us. But I I think the biggest thing that you always just see is. You know, anybody that's a good coach there refreshingly themselves. They're authentic and genuine, and you know, and they love football. You had a personal relationship with him to right? I do. Yeah. I've I've I've gotten to know him, you know, and and dinners and some dinners. That's exactly right. Anybody ever come to those dinners? Yeah. You know, we went to dinner, he we went to dinner with you know, he's got a relationship with Pat Mahomes, and and we did that. And you know, I kind of tricked him into thinking that he was going to be in trouble with the league with tamper and stuff like that. And I think is assistant got all wigged out. He was worried about losing picks and city better call Steve calm. But fortunately, it was all legal, and and we had a good time. So I want to hear a little bit about how you tricked him into thinking that he was tampering detail. We have a a mutual friend that I put his name in my phone as Roger Goodell, and I had this friend, send me a text saying, I can't believe you're at dinner with Kingsbury and Mahomes, you know, better than this this tampering. You're both losing picks. And I showed cliff the Texan the what he saw ghost. I said he'd better call Steve. I'm right away. He's an I thought I was going to lose the number one overall pick, and we couldn't let it go onto long. But it was pretty good. We got him. Good. I I still I've talking to him about that yesterday when I saw him. But I'm pretty proud of that one. What did he say about your? That's messed up. I'm getting you back Man United let it go onto long. But I was it was a pretty good. Joe? You should have let it go should of. But that was good. We we were laughing. It was it was it was I was you know, I'll have to use something like that again soon. It's a classic prank jokes on. It was good. I love that on. And I'm glad that you could share that with the audience. I hope. Yeah. And you know, it was it was fun. Hopefully, the story doesn't get anybody in trouble trouble. Who knows well artists is over here. Dervis you never know. Well, we could alleged tampering. Maybe you do want the cardinals to in trouble and lose the number one. You know, I wouldn't be upset about that. Maybe you could turn over all correspondence between Patrick Mahomes and cliff Kingsbury Araj identity, and they're actually might have been some things going on that are a little shady. I left the dinner after a quick Hello. And they hung and they were doing some stuff that probably isn't right. Probably worth losing their more pick for right? You know, I I'm with you on that. That's a reasonable. That he is in danger of losing that pick. Right. I'm having to break that story. I think we need to do that. Let's get it on the Twitter right now. Sean, thanks today. For example, we'll be back in a moment with new Green Bay Packers head coach Matt leflore refers. I want to tell you about ZipRecruiter. Hiring is challenging, but there's one place you can go or hiring, a simple, fast and smart a place where it growing businesses connected. Qualified candidates. That place is recruiter dot com slash A. S P ZipRecruiter since your job to over one hundred of the web's leading job boards, but they don't stop there with their powerful matching technology. Ziprecruiter scans thousands of resumes to find people with the right experience. And by them to apply to your job as applications come in ZipRecruiter analyzes each one in spotlights the top candidates. So you never miss a great match ZipRecruiter so effective that eighty percents of employers who post on ZipRecruiter get a quality candidate through the site within the first day and right now, my listeners. You can try ZipRecruiter for free at districts -clusive web address, ZipRecruiter dot com slash A, S P. That's ZipRecruiter dot com slash A. S P ZipRecruiter dot com slash ASAP. Ziprecruiter, the smartest way to hire. Or he with Green Bay Packers. Hey, coach Matt leflore mad before we get started. We just had Sean McVay their coach great story. We'll make you we're gonna share with you right now. Basically he goes out to dinner with cliff Kingsbury this past off season after cliff gets the job as the Arizona Cardinals. Head coach and cliff is friendly with Patrick Mahomes days, coaching, Texas, so Sean in his cell phone changes one of the names of his friend to Roger Goodell, and he has his friend during dinner, send him text messages that he's got spies in the Los Angeles area that have spotted cliff Kingsbury, Patrick Mahomes together at dinner, and that is going to be considered tampering, and they're gonna lose their graduates. And cliff. Get very unnerved by this whole thing, and Sean did not allow it to go onto long before confessing to cliff Kingsbury that he was set up. That's dirty story right there. He got him right to show him was as the head coach of the Rams in the NFC west. Maybe you want to tell Roger Goodell about this and filed tampering charges and get the cardinals to lose their first overall pick, right? Yeah. I don't think the chiefs are leading Mahomes go anywhere, though. So I think they're they're in good shape. They're going to have him locked up. Yeah. I think so for a while. I got the job is the Green Bay Packers head coach in January. What is the transition been like for you to take over as a head coach of not just an NFL team? But arguably the most distort NFL team in the Green Bay Packers one foot in front of the other. I mean, it's been it's been a lot of work. You know every day is it's got its own journey. But Gary kubiak gave me some really good advice. When I got the job. He said, hey, listen, there's gonna be a lot to do. And you're you're you're gonna think that you don't have enough time to do it. But it will all get done. And so that's that's kind of the mindset I've taken each and every day just trying to knock out as much stuff as possible. And has there been a lot to do like, you said and has it all gotten done? Yes. And yes. No. And and you know, what that's a credit to the people that I have around me and not only just the coaches that that we hired but to Guti and Mark Murphy and Russ ball and Ed policy. There's just so much support there and a lot of people have been in Green Bay for a long time. And I just can't say enough good things about the people in that building. Had you ever spent much time in Green Bay before you got there as the head coach outside of the preseason and a couple of regular season games. Not really, no. And what does that transition been like for you? You know, what it reminds me very similar to? My hometown to be honest with the grownup in Mount Pleasant, Michigan just on a larger scale. I mean, the people there have been very very friendly and down to earth and really supportive. Now granted we haven't played any games yet. So let's let's. I'm gonna temper my expectations. You're going to be there. Every coach green Packers history up until September at some point. Maybe Tober hopefully for your sake until you lose a game. I'm sure you're right about that. Man. It will work out. Pretty well. You come in inherit a roster that looks a little bit different after free agency, the Packers go out and do some unpack alike things compared to the way things have been done in the past serve, and they go and adds a Darius Smith go near Preston Smith. They go Ned Adrian ammos bunch of defensive players from the players that you've added. What have you seen that? They will bring to the defense. Yeah. And then we also added Billy Turner on often. So. You know, just excited about. You know, getting better as a team, and that's exactly what we went out and did. And again, that's a credit to Guti in the personnel staff, you know, and just really excited to get to work with those guys when we get them in the building on April, the eighth do you remember competing against any of those guys in recent seasons going up against any of them. And having any thought that who knew that one day you'd be coaching them as the head coach the Packers. Yeah. You know? It's funny because we played Baltimore this year in Tennessee. And that didn't go too. Well for us in serious. I think had three sacks in that game. Saw. I'm glad he's on our side now, and then we also played Washington late in the season. And I've always had a lot of respect for Preston. You know, he's a big long player that I think is equally is good in the past. Russia's are in the running game as he is in the past game. We found out recently that the Packers are going to open this two thousand nine hundred in Chicago Thursday night opener. What's your reaction to in the first game of the year? I don't know how to feel about the no, it's it's certainly anytime you talk about. Opening day. I mean, there's so much excitement are already involved with that. But couple the fact with you're going to be the only game on TV to kick off the season. Oh, by the way, it's the hundredth year of the NFL. And then you add in the rivalry factor. I mean, I think there's going to be a lot of excitement surrounding this game. And your first game isn't NFL Heiko. No, nothing like going full throttle, man. A hey coach you are not allowed to work face to face your players until the second week. In April, April eighth is the day. Have you ever met our Rogers before? Yes. A couple years ago as a matter of fact. He was just in L A, and I was walking by and I heard all these people clamoring about oh there's Aaron Rodgers Aaron Rodgers. And at the time, I'm friends with Alex van Pell who's the quarterback coach at the time and I texted him. And I said, hey, I just walked by your quarterback. And he's like, well, I'm with him. So I ended up meeting up with him. And you know, we just hung out for a couple of hours. And but but that that's been the only face to face meeting. I've ever had with them and that was in Los Angeles two years ago. Yeah, you Alex van pelt an Rogers, and what are your my wife was there too? And what do you remember about the time that the four of you spent together, you know, it was just a bunch of people hanging out. There was nothing of real substance there in terms of it was just, you know, we're just hanging out in in southern California where in LA doing what I'm just curious about this meeting. There may have been a couple of beers involved. It was just more or less. Just hanging out hanging out. Have you had the chance to speak to your former drinking mate? Koper as the head coach backers. Yeah, I have I've talked to him a couple of times. And you know, none of it's really been about football because we can't do that. But you know, I think it's just more or less. I know how important our relationships going to be it's more or less getting to know the person and letting him know what I'm all about. And like I said, I just can't wait to really sit down and dive into the to the football component. You talk about sitting down in diving into the football component when your team gathers on April eighth. We'll be going through your mind when you sit down in front of your team for the first time as an NFL. Hey, coach, you know, I've put a lot of thought in that recently because at that is rapidly approaching. No, I'm just excited to get to work, and and lay down our philosophy, and and really build our culture within that building. What will be your message to the team at that point in time? Once you sit down, you know, I just want to let them know what the. Speculations are and not only what we expect of them. But what they can expect from us as coaches, and what can they expect from guys like you? I think it all starts with just our accountability our communication our competition. How we compete to be the best version of ourselves each and every day, and we're going to be consistent with it came at thanks very much of the time today. Appreciate it. Lots of luck this season. I appreciate that. Thank you. As we washed the suburban garden. I'm Catholic Catholic without studying it, he notice it moves like and also dole. It's inanimate an utterly without brain function. But despite that when it got Nomi is about how gyco not only saves people money, but also gives them access to licensed agents twenty four seven online and over the phone. It's clear to them. You should switch because. Yes. Switching to Geico is a no brainer on second thought. Maybe don't watch God knows to carefully people might talk. Kyle Shanahan the San Francisco forty Niners. Hey, coach and cow. We are getting ready for the drafts coming up soon. I know you don't like to be in this. But what is it like to have the number two overall pick and get ready for the draft. Well, it's it's a lot more fun than being farther back. It's something I never want to be in. And it's not it's not something. You're proud of. But when you do get here. It's definitely a lot more fun looking at players that have a chance of going to then as opposed to twenty. What is your assessment of this crop of players atop the draft? It's very exciting. You know, this is our third year here looking at this. And I'd say these three years it's his deep at the top of the draft is what I've seen and there's a lot of good options. There's definitely more than two great players. And the fact that we're picking second makes you feel pretty good about that. How hard will that decision? Be then knowing that there are all these good players over there that that's I don't I don't know if I'd say a hard decision. I think it's a fun decision. Because you just you know, you're going to get a good player, or you know, you're going to get some very good trade off. Offers that's going to have you go farther back and still probably be able to get a good player. So I look at it as a win win. You just you. You don't wanna get cute with it? You gotta make sure that you get the best player possible and be happy with that. But I know that the Niners at the end of the day are going to have one of the best players in the country coming out of college or gonna be out in a few more players because we get a very good trade offer. How realistic is the idea that you could trade back. You never know. I think it's always realistic. Because you you'll do we'll do anything to improve our team. And you know, we I'd say we can improve it every single position we have on our team. I probably rule out quarterback right now, you know, not to give our thrower cards all the way out there. But I don't think we're gonna draft a quarterback with the second pick. But I'm happy with the guys we'll take. So it's not like you're going out there trying to facilitate a trade trying to make it happen. But if people call you, and they want something bad enough, you always sit there, and listen, and if that can help your help organization out more than just one guy at the second pick, and that's something. We would never hesitate to do we hold, and I just want to tweet out that the foreigners are not taking a quarterback. You should be good one. What are your thoughts? Smokescreen? What are the order your thoughts in the idea that the cardinals will go quarterback at number one you sitting there too? So we don't know what they're doing. But I'm sure you're curious like everybody else what they might do at one as you sit here today. What are your thoughts there? The I try not to go too much into that. Because it's all just talk. And it could be real could not be you don't really know. And you don't know till they pick our until they announced something that they're doing that. So I don't try to look into it at all. I don't try to figure it out. I think there'd be a lot more to figure out if we were further back, you know, but we're right behind him. And we're also now waiting to get a quarterback. So it doesn't affect us that much and there's more than two good players in this draft. So I think it's a pretty good situation for us. And you talked about being open to doing whatever would take to improve his team. Have there been any teams that have even enquired yet about the number two overall pick? No not yet now yet. But maybe maybe. Yeah. Maybe you put for sale sign and right here right now. Right. Always and that'll never change. For the right offer. Right. We'll do anything. I would hope that's all other thirty one teams think also now going back to free agency team was active again trade for deformed, most notably. What is deformed going to bring to this defense? We feel good about our D line. But we've been missing a real good edge rusher. We we got a bunch of guys who can rush the quarterback from inside who have done a good job. And we felt you know, going into our third year we had to get that fixed and deformed was the start of that to bring him in with his speed to paramount next door inside guys that'll really help. And and he can cause a lot on his own. Also on the offense aside you at seven Coleman. You are familiar with Kevin Coleman from your days in Atlanta. What is he going to bring to the forty Niners offense? I mean, we feel very fortunate to get heaven. You know, we we definitely didn't go into free agency thinking we were going to add a running back. But that's what I always say, you never know because you're not going to grocery store and just pick. And what you want to see what's available and what the options are in. We didn't think we were gonna running back. But fortunately for the forty Niners with the market got. Where we had a chance at seven and he expresses interest to come. And you know, I love given to get into heaven onboard. Because you know, I I loved him come out of college. I love my two years with them in Atlanta is a very talented back. He's a very good person. And he's gonna hit a great with the group. How does this running back group now work because you have jerick McKinnon coming off the ACO he's going to be healthy and get big plans for him. You got ten Coleman. You have Matt Brita. How does this work? We got other guys too. And that's all Jeff Wilson. That's what really most everyone keeps asking me that like, I'm in charge of that herself. As it's up to the players. It's they they will define their roles in. That's kind of what I mean. What's unique about this? It's not, you know, we went out and got Jeb McKinnon. We looked at the free agency pool. We knew we wanted to go. And that's what we thought was best for our team at that time. And we looked at it this year we knew where we went the year before. So it wasn't something going in free agency targeting, but it came across us, and we had an opportunity to improve our team. So we're gonna improve it. We brought in a hell of a back who can I don't know who's the best guy. They all can do a bunch of different things. They the one thing that they have in common. They all run four four zero, you know, so or less, so I don't have to look back there to know. Whether I have a so fast guy, they're all fast, but they come in different sizes. They do different types of routes, and you know, we played with four running backs last year. So I'm not gonna sit here and try to figure out what to do with four running back. So we might need them all and if they all stay healthy. It'll be a very fun problem for us to try to figure out how to utilize them as coaching staff you bring up the whereas McKinnon and his recovery right now cow easily coming right along him in Jimmy. I think he did it about a month before Jimmy they're pretty close in their rehab. They has been kind of nice for the two of them kind of have partners. You know, they've been side by side and all this stuff. So I see him outside always working on things. And they're both when you watch guys knowing that they're rehabbing, but you just watch him on air running around. I just sit out and look at my office, and my other healthy, they can go. But then you realize that it's it's controlled cutting things like that. And we're going to be extremely patient with them extremely patient with jets same. Jimmy. And but I I know jets can help us out a lot this year, and we're definitely count on on last year. And it was unfortunate. But I'm happy as can be coming back early in the spring. But would you envision jerick McKinnon and or Jimmy Garoppolo playing it all in the preseason? Or is that not realistic? No. If if their bodies, can I mean, I think that's a good thing for them. You know, they would they want to test it out. And I feel like that's more of a mental thing if your if your body can take it and the doctor say, and and they feel confident with it. I think it's good to go out on a real game situation and get that confidence because we're not going to let someone tackle him and practice, and so a lot of times guys want to go out and get tackled and just so they can get that mental breakthrough. So when they go into week one, they're not thinking about it. We had Sean McVay on earlier in the podcast. We were talking about the staff that you had in Washington when you think back on the collection of coaches that was there in Washington. What does that mean to you that you had all these guys, Sean you Matt leflore Mike Shanahan? Yeah. We we had a lot we end Mike McDaniel. Oh to who's my coordinator. Now say, you know, we we had a bunch of good guys. Chris. I was good of a line coach been around. We had a real good staff. And we we took a lot of a lot of heat there for being young and stuff too. So that was always funny to deal with with the whole Washington deal. But because you were there just because you, yeah, they just thought we were young fraternity brothers or something. Fraternity brothers have been okay for them. Yeah. Yeah. That's been good. But now, the main thing was for my dad, you know, I hear people talk about I've had people ask me if I have a coaching tree. I know I've heard was Sean a bunch. But on you know, a dad brought us all in there. And you know, I hate how the Washington thing went for my dad, but what's cool is that that's what he got out of it. And he he brought on a lot of coaches there. There are a lot that people didn't know about and we've all kinda gone her own way. And I feel like he said us all up to have pretty good careers. How is Matt gonna do in Green Bay Packers? Hey, coach, oh, they got a helluva coach, you know, Matt knows football. Everyone knows the quarterbacks. That's there. And when you're dealing with a guy Aaron's ability of how intelligent and is how he plays you better. Bring in a guy who knows what he's talking about an amount that type of guy, and he'll go through this learn how to be the head coach coaches it goes. But everyone's like, how do you learn how to be a head coach, you you just keep coaching football. Like, you always have and you'll get it and Matt's prepared for that. And that's why it'll be good at it. What is surprised you most about being a coach? How many people you have to talk to like you have to talk all the time to so many different things that there's just so many different department heads who and it's legit stuff. Everyone wants to come in and ask something, and you five minutes, isn't that much of you wouldn't think it's a lot of time, but at adds up as the day goes, and there's a lot of stuff that goes to where you eventually realize like all right? I can't do all that. Like, hey, you're in charge of this area. You go talk to these people all the time because eventually wins and losses wouldn't come down to put together. Good game plan studying tape, and that's stuff that you can't just knock out and cram you gotta do that over long periods of time. And you better organize your time wisely data we said, there would be things that land on your desk is a head coach that you never would imagine all the time. Yes. The accurate. Yeah. Totally. I mean, there's I feel I've known for a long time. I wanted to be a coach. So I'd like to have been training to be a coach since I can remember growing up, and but you're not trained you're trained on football stuff and your your head coach. And there's a lot more. Than just football stuff. It's a it's a people business. You got relationships with all different types of people. Whether it's players coaches the personnel. Equipment managers trainers as communicating with people. It's talking no one everyone's jobs on the line. Whether you're the top guy or the bottom guys were on the same boat, but you got to work together. And you gotta have a lot of dialogue with everyone reported that you guys had some level of interest in Lebanon bells reported that you guys at some level of discussion with the giants on Odell Beckham during when you look back at those two examples of players that you explored but didn't land what stands out to you. Oh, I mean, the levian thing was very similar to the Tevin thing that wasn't something that we win in targeting kind of fell into us also. And when we realized that we had a chance to get that for something that we definitely didn't expect we got excited, but you know, I think it was a little bit more of a tease, and which you know, we went through a little bit because we didn't plan to be in it, and then we got close. And so we got someone excited a little disappointed when it didn't work out. But when we ended up with heaven the next day that ended very faster us. So I was very pumped ended up with tavern. And yeah, we definitely looked into though del thing John I've been working on that for a few months trying to see if something can happen. And I just didn't think we had the stuff on that they wanted and it didn't work out. And you know, he's always a great player. I don't know how much I can talk about him. He's on another team. But you know, that would have been a great thing. But you know, that didn't work out, and it's nice ever second pick in the draft still now it'd be into turn our attention toward the drift. Good luck in the draft. Cal appreciate taking the time today. Thanks very much. Thanks out special. Thanks to this week's guests who all have a common tie a working together on the Washington Redskins coaching staff before Mike Shanahan in college. Shanahan Rolette go, Sean McVay and Matt floor went their own separate ways. Especial thanks to college Johnny and to Sean McVay to Matt leflore. Please join us again this week. We'll have a special edition of the Adam Schefter podcast. When we're joined by the Baltimore Ravens. Hey, coach, John are Baugh and the Houston Texans. Head coach Bill O'Brien for a bonus episode that will run this Thursday. Thanks for tuning in this week to another Adam Schefter podcast have agree week. Everybody. And now I fought from Geico motorcycle it took fifteen minutes to click on the banner ad entitled, you won't believe what these child stars look like now be dissatisfied and kinda sad about how the child stars look. And now your computer is played by incessant pop up ads on this can't be good to add insult injury. You could've used those fifteen click bait minutes to switch your motorcycle insurance to gyco. Geigo fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on motorcycle insurance.

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October 15 Football Friday HR 1

"Five minutes after twelve o'clock hour good afternoon northern colorado. It's the whole show powered by pdc. Energy i am convinced. One hundred thousand percent that the thursday night special is cursed. It is no doubt about it. So i am. I am giving you a new rule. Pull against if i if i give you the thursday night special pick. Then i'm gonna just i'm going to give you the green light. I'm going to give you the blessing to go against it. I'm trying to help you guys out. So it would go against my pick every thursday until i prove otherwise. What what what are you doing. What's the reason you go for two. i don't understand. There's no reason to go to their did. Your kicker's leg fall off. What is twenty eight twenty to tampa bay. So that was weird. What about last night's game. Well both were last night. i suppose. How about the baseball game. That was pretty obvious. Wasn't it the disputed. Check swing call on wilmore wilmer floor as i mean i picked the dodgers to win and i feel okay about it. This was rough. Giants are down to their last out wilmer. flores no-balls two strikes and florida's. Did he go swimming. Strike three rings up. The game is over and the los angeles dodgers are headed to the national league championship series. Talk about a way to fizzle a really great baseball game. I mean come on. That was that was rough. It was rough man. I mean it was a sad day. I picked the dodgers eastside. Chris colefax reach out to mike. Shanahan got that kkob's has got it. I'm sure really has a place in his heart. Just say brady whole would like a few minutes done right. That don't actually colfax is in the back hanging out. 'cause he's just hanging out it's like vacation mode. An angel is filling in today. You guys remember angel susan. And he's e- has massaging shoulders back there. Angel how are you. I'm doing good brady. How are you today. i'm doing. i'm doing well. It was a weird night. I'm bummed about my thursday special. But i'm just going to advise hogan's to go against it now you just can't get it can't find the rhythm i think it's cursed is what i think. I think that these teams are listening. I think the eagles were like you know what. I don't care if we win. I don't care at all but we're covering now. They wait until. I made a bet and decided to lose. Is it the worst. I'm telling you. Dude draft kings and all the. It's evil it is fricking. I think it's just because i was listening to tanner. Oh well that's your first problem. That welcome to the this is what you are you star wars guy. Oh yeah so. This is the this. What is it called like. Tanner's dark side. That's the evil empire force so the whole shows the force. I don't know what is it. The the lights the jet. I yeah. We're the jed eye everybody's rooting for us here. Swint is darth vader man like he is the bad guy and nobody's routing for him so don't don't take advice anymore. I five in one. Last night i had to have some support form because i in producing the show. Yeah but he's not listening. He doesn't listen to lunch right now. Right yeah he's not even here if he was listening he'd be educated and you make bright the proper picks now. I know i screwed up last night. But that's because the demons of hell are now draftkings. Obviously it's absolutely ridiculous. I did pick the dodgers though so. That's a good game. It's a great game ending sucked. But how do you okay. Kovacs knows this. Well my philosophy on reviews. I don't like them. I think reviews and sports slow the game down and for better or worse we need to get rid of all of it all of it. You either go all or nothing if you're going to review some things what's the point review everything. So last night's no sweat go. He didn't he didn't he didn't go. That was a that was a stupid call. Bad call if you are reviewing things which they do review plays in baseball you either review at all or you review nothing because you review some things. You should be able to review that especially into playoff game. What are we doing baseball. How i mean. I know you can't make that legal last night but this is something we're at the beginning of the season. You should do this at the beginning of the season and say we are no longer reviewing any place. I don't want to hear any bitching and moaning. We are reviewing every play. I don't want to hear any bitching. And moaning noobs saying man. I've been doing that for months. What was i talking about. What was talking about that. He's been doing for months. Do you remember. This is gonna be part of your gig. You've got to write down things because my memory is gone says iota i am nice. Great now i've got the hogan's stuck on star wars fantastic. This is going to be one of those fridays. Are you more of a star. Wars guy or star track star wars way waste are. I never got the star trek. I like to call it star trek because the grandfather star trek fans mad. It just pisses them off. I just enjoy it. But i don't wanna make your grandma that's he. He was a big captain picard fan. Did you see did you see why can't shatner when he's up. He's holding up the side and he says didn't say like you card or something like that that's cool. That was pretty cool. That was mark hamill up into space. Yeah yeah i'm sure that's next. I'm sure it's next first. Advantage text. Line eight eight eight five. Three zero zero zero four three okay. Here's the question for you guys. Because i do. Not if you if any texters text this garbage text in and say oh watch older. Then i'm not gonna read it or i'm just going to get really mad. The power to play sports poll question. Which sport are you most into an october. You gotta pick one. I know we flip back and forth. We have. We have tivo that we still have that. Is that what it is. Which sport are you most into in october. You gotta pick one the nfl college football the nhl starting the nba. I know we're still in preseason but we're basically they're wednesdays the first nuggets game or the major league baseball playoffs we vote on. I would say right now in october. I'm more nca football k. I think november's get into the nfl and then Hockey in baseball or basketball after that so it goes college football. Getting thirty three percent of the votes right now. Go to the whole show dot com to vote major league baseball second. Actually just just refreshed major league. Baseball is tied with the nfl. In second place the nba and surprise surprise. The nhl is in last place on this. Go vote at the whole show dot com. That i would like to see where this thing ends ends up at the end of the show today. Let's read some texts Kfi double a cave kw. You already did a double eight. You're in man. You're in double a twin being and cherry mash husky football. Hey i just got out of a meeting with the goat and a little birdie tells me that's the place to golf you wanna watch nebraska games just telling you just letting you know they. They loaded up over there. He said chris back in my day. Captain kirk was the man. Noobs says college football college football. See i'm going i'm going. Ooh that's tough for me if i had to pick. We've a caller on the first advantage hotline. Nine seven zero three five three thirteen ten. I think we do. they're talking. Angels year off right now. What do we got. Hey this money here sir. Why is hatton and caton. Hey not too much. Tell you what i'm i'll tell you what i'm into and i'm gonna kinda kinda stir the pot here. I can't oh high school football. That's what you're gonna say. I knew you were going to high school football. Well did you see. We have tonight right you. We have the huge severance resurrection christian game tonight. Yes and i'm going to be listening to that one. Because i'm going to the game here tonight so you well take the tune in app with you or whatever and or little radio either way man. I'm not going to tell you how to do your business this as long as you get. Get the job done well. I got the headset ready to go. And what's what else is on your mind. I'll tell you what. I've also been into the major league baseball playoffs here. To what do you think about my idea. You either of you everything or nothing. I'd say review nothing. Yeah i down. Even though it's a controversial call. Last night i am of the mindset that it's all or nothing. Yeah here's the other question. Should we just have robots back there seriously not not just like little lasers that can have the line and they can tell whether the bat win crossed over. They do better job what we got right now. I still for some reason. It's hard for me. Because i still kind of like the human error and sports of part of what we we have crap to talk about the next day when human screw things up. That's typically what sportstalk is. Yeah it is. I think we keep the human more fun to watch a mess it up. Hey launcher what's for lunch today. Man man. Are you ready for this. Hang on i'm not. I'm evan enchiladas. Refi beans and also chips and nacho chips and nachos kipps with nocco ships. Oh jeez okay. All right i got you. I got you on sir. Enjoy lunch man. Don't let me keep you from it anymore. Okay okay sounds good. Nukes says the death star surrounds the den. Sixteen minutes after the hour. Stevens is coming up. Next of dvr broncos. We're going to talk to him. Let's get into a big weekend man. Mike shanahan legendary bronco's coach. It's kind of depressing. Going to be honoring one of the greatest coaches if not the greatest coach of broncos history and and the guy that's going to be seeing him at some point is vic fangio. That'll that'll do it. We'll be right back cold tune into clark and the coach weekdays at eleven a northern colorado's voice one three point one and thirteen ten. Kfi k next is your unc. Bears head men's basketball coach. Steve smiley and you're listening to the whole show on thirteen ten. Kfi twenty one minutes after the hour. Welcome back to the whole show powered by. Pdc energy live from the auto collision specialist studios joining me. Now zak stevens. Our broncos insider from dnv our broncos. Zach my man. I love catching up with you on a friday me too great vibes today brady and man just a little extra special with it being raiders. Week and Mike shanahan finally going in the ring of fame. Isn't that something It's amazing but also kinda depressing because one of our poll questions and we talked about this. Tuesday was you know could vic be fired. Essentially fifth things. Don't go well the next couple of games and you look you look across the field to On on the weekend. And you're gonna see mike shanahan and so many amazing memories with this broncos organization so it takes us back to the golden days a little bit. Yeah it it certainly does. And not only i mean mike. Mike shouldn't just be in the ring of fame he should be in. The hall of fame was what he's back to back super bowls and then honestly just everything. He's done for the game with his coaching tree with his offense. Just the way. He's really changed the game of football for the better He absolutely deserves the goal jacket. No question about it man. I mean mike. Shanahan is just one of those guys. He's you know he kind of changed the game. He's just like if you're skimming the surface. Obviously his offensive mind was something that changed the game. I always think about mike. Shanahan and the freezing of the kicker. I know that's very miniscule thing compared to what he has done in his career but he he created that and some teams. I mean they they utilize that so. That's one of the many things that shanahan's brought to the table. Oh yeah yeah. You're a hundred percent right. And like i said if you look at the coaching tree. And what kyle doing now and these are all variations on. Babies are all variations of what mike shanahan brought to the nfl and what he's done And and i don't think just that he should be in the hall of fame. I think it's something that will happen. Eventually but i mean he had to be the ring of fame. I so this is. This is a good first step for him And very very does every one of the things as well. It'd besides back to back. Super bowls is what he did in the two thousands where he didn't have the hall of fame quarterback and the three year stretch ten and six ten six and then of course there's thirteen and three season where he brought the broncos to the afc championship game. He was not just a product of john elway. No you're absolutely right. I mean jake. Plumber a was a good quarterback but he that years act that year that they went to the afc championship loss to the steelers. I believe that year jake plumber. I think first half the season or so we were kinda whispering. Hayes j plumber a dark horse for the mvp so it's really cool. How like shanahan kind of research. That guy's career. Oh yeah there's no doubt about that. And man you just wonder if him and jay cutler would've stayed together longer what that would have been because the talent don jay was so obvious and mike and him we're starting to click but then obviously bullpen. Very different directions. Yeah i think about that often too and the the stretch you know with with mike shanahan all the all the different things that surrounded his career you know john being an assistant with the broncos. Getting fired by the raiders. Shortly into what his second season. I think and then being removed from the broncos as an assistant coach because dan reeves is like paranoid that he thinks shanahan's like in for his job like there's so much interest which rich broncos history with mike shanahan. Yeah and then on top of that. I mean it's perfect that he's going into the ring of fame officially And being unveiled in for raiders. Week because he was twenty one and seven against the razors and just showed the raiders. Time and time again. What a mistake it was that they let him go and think about that too and you think about how just he just wanted to beat the raiders. That that's when that rivalry was really strong. Because shanahan hated the raiders. And some people even non shani for that. They're like dude. You spend too much time. Trying to figure out the raiders and not enough time trying to beat everybody else and the twenty one. Seven record is just incredible. And then i mean and his career with the broncos over six hundred winning percentage for for him so over sixty percent of the time he had a win one hundred and thirty eight and eighty six record for the broncos to the the best coach. They ever had no question. I mean it was funny. Because i was thinking about the nuggets stuff today because we had jerry schimmel talking about george karl and i was thinking it has mike malone surpassed. George karl is the head coach. And it's a debate. And you still got doug moe at the top but for the broncos. There's no debate. Is there no no no. There's no debate. I mean you gotta start with the super bowl. He had to only one other person has won and with gary back and he was he was only for two years. Now gary kubiak should also be and the re and the ring of fame Because of all of his contributions to the broncos of course as john's backup then the great offensive coordinator with mike And then of course. Winning the super bowl is well. What did you think zack. You know looking back at the shanahan days. His last year with the broncos that'd be is greatest. Shani was those last few years. He was kind of more or less a five hundred coach. And the broncos were like are we we got. It was kind of like the george karl thing it's like. Hey we're we're tired of being just kind of kind of good. We need to find a way to take that next step. I mean that's set up this chain reaction of so many things. Shanahan is linked. He's like kevin bacon. He's linked to every portion of the broncos they bring josh mcdaniels arguably one of the worst eras in broncos history and then you know that's what kind of gets john elway coming in and and then eventually helping out with that side of it and then gary kubiak the super bowl the peyton manning set off this new chain-reaction of all these other great things and controversial things for the broncos. Yeah it really did and like you said he's pretty much stuck to your organization in in every era and especially. I mean just a couple of years ago remember. His name was brought up. Gone away wanted to hire. Let's put the kabosh on. That would've been something else if he came back for a second sin and you talked about those last three years. That's the broncos. Went thirteen three and two thousand five and just missed out on the super bowl. They went nine seven seven and nine and eight and eight and the way those seasons ended was the end of what was the reason. The broncos moved on for my fans and not only was the five hundred records is not good enough for paople. And but the way they ended and just they. They should have made the playoffs those years but at the end of the season they just completely fell off specifically in two thousand eight and that was just too hard for pat bull and to go through. And what's crazy Brady and unfortunate right now is the broncos would be thrilled with the five hundred season. Now you know if they're nine and eight everyone at the end of the season sin. Okay maybe a little disappointing after the three in starkville. Look that's four. More wins than the broncos had last year going in that direction and that sort of season was just not good enough ten years ago. For the broncos. Roy things have changed. Haven't they. In shanahan was a part of of raising those expectations. Just like john elway was and now like you said zach. We're we're at a point where we're like. Just don't lose to a team. Like the raiders who just moved well. They moved on from their head coach. Like we're at this point. Where can you win games win. Eight games just to kind of look at the playoffs and things have changed over the years. Yeah they certainly have and like you said this game this weekend brady as an absolute must win for the broncos. The season really rides on this game. Because of the broncos are able to win this game then therefore in to you know it's still disappointing. The last couple of weeks but at the end of the day four and two they will have a winning record. By the time the by comes around and play will be in their graph Ju just right after the bye. They'll be able to make a push if they're able to but if they don't win this game brady and one week from now. We're very likely talking about some significant changes likely on the coaching staff. Because if they don't win this game i mean they. The train is off the track. And it's going to be bad against cleveland in just six days from now. Maybe ask mike shanahan to stick around the hanging mic. We might call you in a week. Made only a couple years ago that we know that john. Elway plan right zach. Tell us a little bit about this. Raiders team obviously derek carr with everything going on. He's having himself a really good season. I'll be curious to see how that impacts him without gruden anymore. But tell us about this raiders team because before they were in the headlines and the talk the nfl with gruden situation. This team has kind of been an interesting ride. I mean they started off pretty red hot couple of weeks later. You're wondering right are the raiders. The real deal so talk to us a little bit about. Let's go on the offensive side of the ball. To what do they do. Well that the broncos need to be ready for you said derek carr and mean when they started three and he was averaging over four hundred passing yards per game which is just insane. He had a four hundred and thirty five passing game. Three hundred eighty two and three hundred eighty six brady. If you have those games over an entire season that's fantastic. You start off three straight games with that. That is un believable but then the last two games when they've really struggled on offense they've only put up fourteen and nine points so averaging you know just just like twelve points per game here. That card has been very disappointing. Kicked his standards. Only one hundred ninety six passing are in two hundred. Six passing are so. That's the formula to beat the raiders. Fear is they have talented running back. But they don't really use them and they don't even tried to use them. And with the raiders. It's about slowing down their car. Radio the broncos should be a team that's in great position to slow them down. I mean look at von miller. Look at the past defense. Should be the best pass defense in the nfl but it should be. It hasn't been the past couple of weeks when you have lamar jackson. Dicey you let ben ben rothlisberger fountain of youth against your next week. So if the broncos pass defense shows up they'll win this game if they don't they're going to take over and i fully expect their cards to be the guy to try to dominate this game for the raiders after all the chaos this week. He's the leader on their team. So i expected to all be on his shoulders and brady. He's the guy that can absolutely have success if everything's on his shoulders i'll be curious to see how aggressive this defense is. And one of the things. I'd love to see and i know they got the fumble force but i wanna see some of those game changing plays von miller break in free getting one of those strip sacks and a guy picking it up and going a little bit with maybe even taking the distance. Maybe this is that game where we see patrick's tan come up with a big time play. Somebody needs to make a play. Not just a good tackle force a punt at the fifty or whatever i'd like to see one of those momentum's shifting plays by this defense great that mouly created that last week and and maybe maliki read. We'll continue to do that but breeding. Why aren't the you know the second highest paid safety in the nfl. One of the highest pass rushers in bonn miller and of course has played safety justin And you know that. Ten million dollar quarterbacks ronald darby who has been out so that's not on him but kyle fuller who's just been getting cooked but why are these guys one making plays on top of your maliki reeves of the road. These guys need to step up and also the interior of the of the defensive line. They've been fine. But i think it's fair to say they're gonna little disappointing. They've been getting some push but they have one combined shack she'll be here. Harris has one factor jones. Not a single stack this year. This off season they were talking about having ten sacks each having seven sex we are so far away from that i mean th the the hi guys on defense for the most part brady have been pretty darned disappointing. You need your stars to shine in a game like this because you know you're sitting at three and two it's not the end of the world. That's a nice looking record but when you look at how we got here. That's when you start to worry okay. You beat three bad teams. You lost to a really good team baltimore and then you lost to a team on the road. I get it and it's early but still we have a lot of questions about pittsburgh. So you need your stars to step up and get this thing back on the right track zach. Let's look over on the offensive side of the ball again. I sound like a broken record. But can we run a lot of times with devante. Williams and melvin gorgeous. Give him the ball all the time. Just wanna see hey. I totally agree with that. Against this raiders team. Brady you absolutely should be able to the raiders. Statistically are very interesting on their offense side of the ball. Like i said they're an incredible past team On the defensive side of the ball. They're actually really good against the past. They just don't get interceptions but they're really good at limited teams against the bat however they don't run the ball like i said they don't use josh jacobson kenyan drake and on the defensive side of the ball. They can't stop the run and also their team is bad in the running game on offense defense good in the passing game on offense and defense. That's something that the broncos should absolutely try to expose. They're giving up four point six yards per rush on defense. Melvin gordon is averaging four point seven devante williams is averaging four point six. If you're anywhere close to those numbers you should be in rock thirty times this year. And the broncos are so far away from doing that so far this season you know. Each of these guys is getting less than ten rushing attempts per game over the last two games. Don't don't wait until the second half to try to establish the run. Do it in the first half and don't be so predictable though either. You don't just want to run the ball to say we ran it twenty times. You wanna do it with the right circumstance In the right purpose because brady in the first half last week the broncos around the ball on every single i down. That's too predictable. Unless you're averaging you know five to six yards per carry on those well then yeah keep doing it. Because that's your identity your really good but you know what the broncos work doing that. They were just setting themselves up and second long and then that turned into third and long. And it's really hard for any good quarterback to have success on third long. Let alone just any quarterback. It's like you said it's almost like pat. Shurmur was flipping the media the bird. Just put running it. But you know what we don't want we don't want to take these like personal grudges you need to do. It's right for this football team and figure it out. Because i was act we've talked about this religiously this team we like teddy bridgewater and maybe he can do some really big things. But i still think this team goes a thorough defense is elite top five and they're forcing turnovers and then they run the ball. Those are the formulas. And i know it sounds simple right. But that's what we're not seeing so far. Yeah you're one hundred percent right. That's exactly the formula. The formula the first couple of weeks broncos team look fantastic in the first three weeks because their defense was stellar giving up eight points per game and on top of that their offense is the their offense was doing really good. It felt like they were doing better than they actually because they didn't actually have a thirty point game so the formula would perfectly intact the first three games of the season and then what happened. It blew up. The offense went from you. Know a borderline top ten offense to about five offense in the league and the defense even more disappointing went from you know the best defense in the nfl. One of the best defense is in the nfl and the first three games these past two weeks. They've been in the bottom. Ten of nearly every single statistical category and the raiders. They're a good team and not a great team but they're they can look like a great team if you look like the way you have the past couple weeks. This is a crossroads for the broncos for sure if they lose to the raiders. I don't know that vic gets fired and like you said you gotta go to thursday if you somehow beat the browns. Maybe that changes things. But if you lose to the raiders. We've got a lot of big question surrounding this team. If you beat the raiders go to foreign to you give yourself a shot on thursday night football against the browns to turn this whole thing around. So we're at a crossroads right now zac. How's it going down man. Do you see the broncos take care of business and kind of getting this thing role in the right way man. They've got to brady. they have to or else. It's going to be hard to look at any other game on the schedule. And say the broncos the win that maybe outside of detroit the owen five detroit lions although they're going to be playing for dan campbell. They love dan campbell over there but outside of that game drunk. Who is this one. It's going to be a very grim outlook for their season. And on top of that. Not just so. The broncos have desperation this week. Which is like i said about pittsburgh last week. That's not something that you can calculate. And that's not something. You can replicate the raiders. While they have some desperation they have way bigger problems going on there like we talked about in the early week. They probably spend half the time of this week. Focusing on football and in a game. That's all about preparation back half to hurt them. So i am given the nod to the broncos the over under forty four. I'd like it to be over. I like both teams to actually show some offense which means that the defense maybe a little disappointing on the broncos. But i'm going twenty seven twenty three twenty seven twenty three and i just looked at minus four right now for the broncos so there you go zac appreciate spot on man. Appreciate you as always. There's nobody better. You continue to grow in this in this industry and man. It's an honor to get you on now two times a week. We love talking broncos with you. My friend and i love being on. Thanks so much for having me. Brady zak stevens. Dvr bronco seriously go following z. A. c. stevens d in vr. 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Gold Standard: Shanahan tries to explain injuries + Jimmy G. 2.0?

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Gold Standard: Shanahan tries to explain injuries + Jimmy G. 2.0?

"What is good everybody. Welcome to another gold standard podcast part of the niners nation. Podcast network i'm rob stats guerrero and with me as always is levin black what up levin no actually got on the talk about for one see you say not a whole lot and then you then you follow it up with. We have something to talk about so clearly. There's something going on by the way. This is episode. Forty two of the niners nation podcast and there is only one choice for who we dedicate this episode today. Levin i'm giving you one shot and if you don't get it you cannot host any more shows on this network not can't think of any running lot. It is ronnie lott. This is usually the time in the pod. Where i kind of wax poetic about how good this person is. If you don't know how good ronnie lott was. Who lot was. That's on you google it. You need to do some homework before you finish listening to the rest of this episode. He's ronnie frigging lot. He's on the forty niners mount rushmore and that is that Kyle shanahan just spoke. He literally got off the podium moments ago as we record this and the big news of the day levin is that the forty niners have cancelled the mandatory minicamp next week. Now kyle went out of his way to explain. You know what. I'll play it for you. Here's kyw's explanation for why they are canceling minicamp. We're going to keep the rookie around here for a little bit. Some more than others kind of sided a while ago. We weren't gonna do many camp. I rarely do do many camping in nine hundred as in we should do one practice. We have like a team building thing having eighty nine guys here and getting seven oh. Ta practices in I felt great about it so you heard him saying they're eleven that they had great attendance. Today's and that they were planning on cancelling camp any way. And all this stuff about how this already in the works. My question to you is do you buy it. Yeah i guess. I would buy it. I don't think they had a plan months in advance. I think it depended on how many people showed up if he had something where some vets showed up in the beginning and some vets couldn't short week two. They probably would have had that extra week so that everybody gets the time but so many people showing up for it i think once they knew that they decided that they're not going to do the full. Ota that they need to many. I don't know if i mean. I doubt that he would drastically. Change the schedule But i i think it's also naive to say that the injuries had no part in it whatsoever. You know i. I agree that they probably had this in the works depending on how many guys showed up to. Ota's but the fact that they've already lost three guys for significant chunks. If not all of the season. I think that played a factor in whether he admits it or not. You're gonna be hard pressed to change my mind. I don't think it played a factor in it because those guys just got hurt at least two of them and that would mean that he did be reactionary because if it was up in the air and then two people get hurt. Nears all right. We're canceling one day later. Then that's him one hundred percent reacting to injuries. I think this was in the works long before those injuries in those injuries just made it even more cemented. The you were doing this. You mentioned the word reactionary. And that's something. That kyle said today. That i think is going to get him in a little bit of trouble. We're going to get to that But before we do. He mentioned that tha various more and justin school. Went down three plays a part in practice. That is unbelievable. He went out of his way to say that to various more injured himself on air. So it wasn't you know it was a non contact injury. Wilson injured himself getting out of a chair and then justin school said he put his foot down and his knee buckled. So kyle went out of his way to kind of explain away. The injuries like try and minimize it you know. He didn't wanna sound any alarms but he said one thing levin that i think is going to get him in trouble and i'm gonna play it for you. I think that if he could do it over again. I don't think he would have said this. We change every year a little bit. You know we always learn from stuff but to sit and say we're going to do training camp differently because someone got hurt getting out of chair because someone got hurt on and person hurt his knee playing football. It'd be pretty responsible me and extremely reactionary Just try to do. What's right for guys and providing football. We try to do the safest way as possible. I'm just saying it. Now if the forty niners have training camp and guys start getting injured that quote is going to resurface is going to stick to kyle shanahan forever. And i know for a fact. That grant cohen already. Has it highlighted saved and ready to go for his article that he's probably already typing up now as we speak. I take issue with that being brought back up if it ends up happening because the thing that you change isn't necessarily how you do practice. Yes there have been some coaches out there. And kyle might have fallen into this early in his tenure where they do way too much contact in practice that they're doing contact constantly and they have a little bit more of an old school mindset and that leads to more injuries. So yeah if you're one of those you should change but you don't change practices due to injuries you change. Who the hell you bring in on the team. That's what the niners need to do. And kyle is touched on that that this year for the first time they did kinda pay attention injuries and they think the way he phrased his they wanted to bring in guys that they knew they can count on for sixteen games. Injuries happen even if a guy had played ten years fully healthy. There's no guarantees not going to get hurt with you but injury prone is a thing. I don't give a shit what people like you know. People like to bring up medical experts. Who say no. There's really not a you know how much we don't know about the bodies you know. We don't know about human biology like people think we know everything we don't we're scratching the surface on it. We don't know what causes some players to constantly get injured if we did. They would fix that so they don't constantly get injured shows. They don't know but there is a trend that certain players constantly have the same injuries or injuries tied to the same parts of their body constantly leg injuries. Or something along those lines. They are injury prone and i did see a stat that i was trying to pull up while you were talking. That the forty niners draft class. This year i believe played in ninety two percent of their possible college snaps last year. Same thing that the draft class as a whole played over ninety percent of the snaps that they potentially could have played in college so clearly. The niners trying to adjust like they said they're trying to bring in guys that do not get hurt and like you said there's no guarantee of anything but that is all you can do at that point but the other thing kyle said is that you can't get ready to play football without playing football and i just wonder like that's kind of an old school thinking and kyle you know. He grew up in the game. His dad is obviously a very successful coach. Obviously mike shanahan has an old school coach. And i wonder if that mentality has transferred over to kyle. That's a hard thing to admit that that needs to change and maybe it does. And i'm not saying that the forty niners should not football but the idea that the only way to get ready for football is to play football. I'm not sure that that's still holds up in twenty. Twenty one yeah. This is a topic that i'm kind of torn on. Because i do think that a lot of contact leads to injuries but acid. I think that there's something to be said that this is almost like starting pitching in major league baseball. Where the more you baby them. The more often they will get hurt once. It's for real. The more you limit starting pitcher being able to throw a bunch of pitches the less likely he is to be able to throw more pitches without an injury. Pictures back in the day used to throw all the time and they didn't have as many injuries now. They constantly have injuries. Because they never gonna throw more than one hundred pitches. I wonder how much of the contact stuff is that way. And how much isn't and last year was a great example because there wasn't much contact covert and we didn't actually see an uptake injuries. If i'm not mistaken. So i wonder if it's like i've always thought it's like starting pitching but i wonder if i'm wrong and i think last year is something that should be studied in depth and teams should adjust based on what they saw. I don't agree with you on the pitching thing. But kyle did bring that up. He did say you know. Last year we had no off-season because of covert and we lost four people and he said basically it's part of life and that you know that is a true thing also as much as you want to get on kyle. Shanahan him for he needs to change stuff. It's like well last year. They didn't do anything may still lost for people so nothing is definite for sure. The one interesting thing. I that i should say the one interesting thing but one more interesting thing that kyle said was basically if you do nothing. It's a great way to get the guys to week one healthy but it's not the best way to get them through a season healthy and i that i thought was a very strong point like if your goal is to only have your starters ready to go for week one then. Yeah cancel everything but they have to play all season after that and if your goal is to get them to survive that there is a fine line you have to walk between preparing guys to go for the season and also working them too hard and avoiding injuries. Yeah that's why if you went to all thirty two teams all thirty. Two teams would probably have a different amount of contact. That'd be pretty similar. Certain teams would be very similar. But there's a reason why there's a very big differing of opinions amongst head coaches and even team doctors. I would bet if you took a poll. There'd be a different opinions from team doctors on. How much is too much. And how much is too little and that gets back to my original point about the human body. We're only scratching the surface. I think we know a little. I mean the neck bones connected to the backbone. Right and yeah. I didn't say we don't own anything said we're scratching the surface. I mean look at the leaps and bounds of the last fifty years. Both in the medical field overall For illnesses and everything. And just like go like a body building and the differences from like pre arnold post. arnold like. We're still learning how the body works. And what the body reacts to well and with the body doesn't react to well and kyle did say many times at the press conference as much as i played that quote for you instead. It could get him in trouble. He did say they've changed a lot since they started. They changed things every year. They try and balance out like heavy low days versus lighter days. And obviously you try to follow up a heavy day with a lighter day and things like that. So i don't wanna make it seem like he has refusing to change anything. I'm just saying if he could have that one answer back that might haunt him and it doesn't matter if they have the softest program and system of all time levin you know if these injuries keep happening he is going to get blamed on the training. Staff is going to get blamed. You've no. They did change the training staff once already in the kyle shanahan era right and they changed it recently before that too. If i'm not mistaken like i said the only thing that i push back on is to me the issue is more. Yeah maybe bring in default but if you bring in d. ford maybe don't cinquanta alexander or vice versa and richard sherman coming off a major injury. They signed him while he missed significant. Time in forty niners tenure. You know you drafted nick boza who we all knew had injury concerns and that was the big injury can or the big concern of him in the draft. That's just four guys on the defense all brought in around the same time. Maybe don't do all that. Now jimmy we know pretty well is injury prone at this point. He got injured in his Deflate gate stint. He had to start four games. You only started two of them Before tom brady came back because of injury so at this point you have to say his injury prone with injuries also is with the forty niners. You'd have to say most probably pretty injury prone at this point with injuries that he's had crop up. The jury is still out on deebo and because they have had some injuries but they haven't played long enough to know but the point i'm making is merely every single big name that has been brought in in the last couple of years. Had injury concerns. That's why you don't do that with every single one. Sometimes you go get. The reliable guy who's upside might not be quite as high. But he's more reliable more able to be counted on and like i said kyle admitted earlier in this offseason. They have changed their philosophy on that. And they're prioritizing a little bit more guys who they think can be counted on for sixteen games. And that's why going forward. I really wanna keep an eye on those guys that guys that they have brought in since making that change. Are those guys getting hurt. Because if they are then that points me more into a direction where hey. Maybe this is an organizational type of thing. Maybe there are some sort of fundamental aspects of the program that we need to change. But if they aren't well then. I think it goes to what you and i have been talking about. Which is the fact that injured guys get hurt and when you get a bunch of them you get a bunch of injuries. So that's what. I'm going to look for going forward. You mentioned jimmy garoppolo. Kyle also talked about jimmy. He talked about trae lance and he talked about one other guy on defense sort of forgotten. Man who i know a lot of people. Nine hundred eight included are very excited about coming back. 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And now it's time to get into what quarterback news came out of kyle. Shanahan press conference earlier on wednesday. This was an interesting quote. It's going to get a lot of love. I think people are going to ignore the most important parts on a play. The full answer for you. Here's what kyle shanahan said about jimmy. Garoppolo jimmy has his best spring since we've had them. We had the spring the first year with the second year he had the l. so we didn't get that last year was covert so this is really a second one not being on. Acl and i thought jimmy came in great shape really locked in a good place physically and meddle in i. He had us good of oh teases he's had now. A lot of people are going to see that quote levin and say oh kyle shanahan said this is the best spring that jimmy garoppolo has ever had and they are going to ignore the part of the quote where kyle flat out says. He's only really been with us for two springs so it's not exactly a lot of competition for that title this say. Hey this is the best thing he's ever had right in that that one spring was coming off the five games he had played earned that contract and then had an offseason. So yeah. I mean at that point. He's still pretty new. At that point i would. Jimmy was still learning the offense because it's spring you know by season probably had the offense down pretty well but you know you still go back to the whole matt ryan thing. We're matt ryan said it takes time playing and kyle shanahan offense to truly get it down completely and understand it completely. So jimmy wouldn't have had that in that spring. This is really the first spring where he knows. The ins and outs of everything going on with this team and this offense of scheme and is helping you know the best spring he's ever had made me think of my son. My son was in the yard. Which one of those old school like cup and ball toys where there's a ball on a string attached to a cup and you have to flip it up and get it see if you can get it in the cup and even playing with it for a while and i looked at him and i said hey thomas. How're you doing. He said great my records one and then he played with it for a little longer and he said dad. I got a new record. And i said oh. Yeah what is it. And he said to. And it's like yes technically. You are correct. Congratulations son you have a new record. It's too. That's exactly what i thought of. What this jimmy garoppolo about the best spring that he's ever had like okay. That could also be true. But that doesn't mean necessarily that. He's lighten the world on fire and there's another aspect of this too. What do you want kyle. Because there is still the aspect of the niners could possibly trade jimmy at some point. I think it's unlikely at from what we know now. But i wouldn't throw a completely out the window. So why would kyle say something could potentially tank any value that he has if they are listening to offers. Scott or jimmy. Doing this spring. Oh he's so so no he's never going to say that this is the only answer he had. This is the only answer he had. He's not gonna curb. Your enthusiasm response is gonna have to be positive. Nobody comes out and says you know like a rookie or a really young quarterback. Sometimes the coach will come out and say yeah. He has things to work on. Because that's the true at this point. Jimmy is what he is. So what what are you going to say. And also you're not going to get rid of a rookie quarterback that you just drafted so it's okay to say he's got things to work on like like you mentioned you don't have to worry about trade value. But i thought he set the expectations high for jimmy. I thought he set the expectations high for everybody. He talked about trae lance and he mentioned something that he said a couple of times which is basically we throw a ton. Add him and when he comes in for training camp at the end of july we wanna see if he's worked on what we told them. We want to see how much stock and we want to see. A big change. And i think that that is an important message that he is trying to send a tray lance i it almost makes me wonder like hey if you want to win the job or at least have a shot at the job. You're gonna do it at the end of july when training camp starts. I thought kyle set the expectations high for everybody. Look the simple fact. Is jimmy's not a terrible quarterback and he knows the offense in and out so he has a massive advantage. And kyle's not going to want to have to limit his playbook because he has a quarterback who still learning the offense not when you have a quarterback has already proven you can win with him and knows the playbook so to me. I take that almost one hundred percent of get the playbook down in and out because the slightest bit of hesitation the slightest bit of not quite remembering or knowing that this player on this option route does. This is all the difference in the world in the nfl game. So trays gonna have to know their offense. Inside and out to the point of basically a veteran level and that is one of the strengths that he supposedly has is that he is very very football. Smart so to speak and i think that that is the number one thing that would hold him back from starting and i think that that is the number one thing they wanna see when he comes back in training camp kyle said they got through the installation. They threw everything at him so now i think they want to see what sticks. Kyle did say that they were sending everybody home except the rookies and he said they're gonna keep some rookies around her than others. I think we know which rookies are going to be around longer than others. It is going to be the guy that wears number five. I'll be interested to see that myself levin. Because you're right mentally. They fell in love with trae lance as a football player. And so that's gonna be our first test you know. He's going to have to check a lot of boxes in his career even if he doesn't win the starting job this year this is the first one what sticks what stays with you. And how can you take the concepts and the things that you have learned the not as and transfer them from the classroom so to speak onto the field. That is the first box for trae lance to check. And we're going to have to wait a roughly forty days in order to do it right. I mean you want to be careful making this comparison because of how good that player became but it really is a similar situation to alex. Smith and patrick mahomes. You have a rookie. Sky's the limit. A physical freak of nature and you have a veteran who is good but you question if he's quite good enough to truly win super bowl you know one of those guys. That's definitely starter in the nfl but isn't really a difference maker at the same time for your team so in that mold like you. Don't wanna make the comparison between mahomes entry lines because that's setting. The bar is unrealistic to me. It's kinda dumb to do. So i'm not comparing trae lance tune the homes. I'm just comparing the situation. And the situation was mahomes sat out until the season no longer mattered. And then he got one game at the end of the year. And i think that was because they wanted to make sure that he had the time to get all the mental stuff down so that the physical stuff. The next year could shy. So let's see. I'll be interested interested to see if lance can get all that mental stuff down if he can my talk about expectations. Expectations would go way up. Because i'll be like holy crack. He was able to get all this down and you know his rookie year. That would be incredible. Yeah and i think that's to me a big reason. Why i seriously doubt he starts week one because if he earns the job out of training camp people are going to expect in vp level. You know production as a rookie. They're going to be unrealistic. Gonna expect a justin. Herbert type season you know but with rushing to whereas even if they're pretty equal or trey lands you think has come along far enough you don't start in week one even if you install them in week two three four or after the bye week. The expectations are much much lower just because of the semantics and the way it looks i agree with you. One hundred percent. Except for the fact the try lance is going to be the starter he will. I'm speaking it into existence levin a couple more things. I mentioned high expectations for everybody. Shanahan was asked about d'amico ryan's and he basically said. I think he's been ready for this job for a long time. Which again. there's no honeymoon period. No training wheels allowed for d'amico ryan's i mean kyle. Basically said essentially like he should be ready to go off season defensive coordinator week one. And i think that's kind of how he's looking at it. I mean does he. Drop nick boza into coverage or what ever for any reason. Yeah i think the first time he does one of those. You're going to get the caution and stink face on the sideline staring them down. Like what are you doing. We know that face. Well yeah. I i see the opposite. Happening i really do think d'amico is going to blitz a lot more a lot more about get to the quarterback so they don't have time to run their offense couple other things when talking about the third wide receiver. Obviously it's up for grabs so to speak and that's exactly what kyle shanahan said. Although i wanna point out that as kyle posey wrote on twitter the first two guys kyle mentioned when talking about the third wide receiver spot. We're not necessarily who you think. Number one was richie. James number two was john. Jennings remember that name levin. Yeah and i think. I think it's also interesting that he said that he thinks every wide receiver they have on roster right now is ineffable caliber so that if if that ends up being true trying to think the best way that ends up being true then i think you have some tough decisions about who can wean confidently. No will still be there if we have an injury happen. If there's talk vision on number four five six wide receivers. Do you cut john jennings because you can put him back practice squad even though you might think he's technically the fifth best but it's virtually equal between him and others. You know what. I mean like that factors into the decisions. One hundred percent is a great point by you. When you're splitting hairs everything counts and you have to make a decision. Somehow there has to be a tiebreaker. And right if you can stash a guy on a practice squad. Then i think you wanna give yourself that flexibility and we could see something like that happen kyle. Said he mentioned a bunch of people and he said Some guys that people haven't seen yet and that's when he mentioned jennings. My thought immediately was jalen. Hurd i had forgotten about joon. Jennings quite honestly. I didn't even remember that. He was still a part of the team. So there's two potential mystery men there at wide receiver at the forty niners could see so. I'm interested to see that training camp battle play out and the last thing That i think is worth. Mentioning is the fact that kyle said fifty two players are fully vaccinated for covert. Now i believe. I think you said before we hit record that it's got to be eighty. Five percent of the of the players. Is that accurate. Yeah he kyle said eighty five percent or seventy seven ninety so that means any twenty two more so basically they need an entire starting offense and entire starting defense looking good. I'd put it that way and that's a fascinating thing to me. Because i feel like if you haven't gotten it by now what would spur you to get a you already know. All the rules changes. That would take place if you get it. You already know you should know by now. The health benefits of getting it. Like what is going to take place between now and the start of training camp where you're going to suddenly see the light and say. Oh yeah i guess. I should sign up right and you know kyle mentioned the you know. Some people have like a religious objection to it. I get that. I've not an overly religious guy so i don't necessarily agree that religion should stand in your way of health but i wonder how many more people haven't decided yet. That's the big question to me. You have thirty five people who haven't out of the ninety. You need twenty two out of that thirty five to decide to do something that they could have already done at this point. I just don't see that happening. And there is an interesting aspect of this that i think could become part of the nfl storyline of the twenty twenty one season. Not just for the forty niners but the nfl. Large the whole reason why we're talking about eighty five percent is because at eighty five percent a bunch of restrictions put on by the league are lifted. You can. You don't have to wear masks around each other. You can have team meetings in your normal conference room where everybody's next to each other rather than through zoom you can basically mingle and hang out a bit more and that makes you closer in. That helps win games in all honesty. And kyle mentioned those things that he would really like to be able to do those things so i wonder if this becomes something that mo- among all. Nfl locker rooms becomes a rift of sorts. Because you're going to have some teams meet the eighty five percent and i think you're probably gonna have a majority of teams not quite meet eighty five percent of the players who did get vaccinated. Sit around the locker room staring these other guys down going. I have to wear those masks. Because of you i have to go home and do a zoom conference rather than being able to sit in the damn team conference room because of you like i think. There is potential for some rifts and locker rooms that have this happen and we do have a precursor to this major league. Baseball is very similar policy. There's eighty percent and you have seen certain players. Gm speak out a little bit one of them being the cubs gm. Jed hoyer actually spoke out and said he's disappointed in his players that they have not met the eighty percent yet and thus they can't do certain things that would give them a competitive advantage. And i think that's going to be the case in the nfl. I think that everything you said is completely logical. I think it naturally will happen like you said 'cause when guys decisions affect other people's lives that's when rifts tend to form it's just it's amazing to me because you would think if there was one team that would be more willing to get vaccinated just to avoid all the extra precautions that you have to take. It would be this team. It would be the team that got kicked out of their city and their stadium and had to go and finish the season at arizona because of covert not arguably was more inconvenience from football operations standpoint last year than the forty niners. So if you had to tell me that. I could pick one team to bet on that was going to reach that threshold. I thought it would bend san francisco. But i guess not and to be honest levin. Getting there no you know. I'll be curious to see. Because i don't think there's definite policy on this. I could be wrong because honestly the nfl hasn't said much about it nor have nfl teams but does it affect travel. You know this past year teams flew in and played pretty much. Same day you know. They flew a day later the normal. They didn't get as much time to adjust to wherever they were going. So i'm wondering if you don't meet the eighty five percent if you still have to follow that policy and thus there is an actual a huge competitive advantage to the teams the do me eighty five percent and can follow a more traditional timeline. I just on twitter. Eleven sam darnold said he's not been vaccinated yet quote. There's a ton of different things that go into it. S somebody on twitter. Charles mcdonnell actually just joined us on the espionage Nfl show. He said what different things go into it. Then josh norris followed that tweet up with can we blame adam gates for this too. I just thought that was a masterful job by everybody involved. And i wanted to point that out. Yeah and that's what we're getting out. I mean this whole. Kobe thing is one of the topics this week in the nfl. Large because montas sweep had about as dumb of a response as you can get. In my opinion he said that he is not vaccinated yet because he's never gotten cova did and until he gets cova he doesn't feel like he needs the vaccine. That's not how it works. It's not a cure. It's a vaccine. it helps prevent you from getting it. It's not a oh. I have covert better. Go get that shot. So i don't die like and the best part was he was asked about that because washington had brought in experts to help educate the players on the vaccine and provide more facts and they asked how that was a month sweets reaction was. I didn't like that at all on his rant about how. He's not getting the vaccine until he gets cool but it's like because then he followed it up by saying because there's not enough facts known about the vaccine like. Yeah that's why the brought the expert in the teach you everything they know like clearly didn't listen if you think the vaccine cure so yeah monta sweat. Here is the full exchange. What did you make of the way. The team is bringing in vaccine experts to encourage people to get vaccinated quote. I'm not a fan of it. I probably won't get vaccinated until i get more facts and all that type of stuff. I'm not a fan of it at all. Which seemingly contradictory because the expert is the one who would have the facts he was asked. What is your hesitation with getting the vaccine quote. I haven't caught cova yet. I don't see me treating. I don't see me treating cove until i actually get covert k. Again as you pointed out that's not how it works. You talked to the coaching staff about the vaccine presentation. obviously they want everybody to be vaccinated to move more freely around the facility and with traveling and all that type of stuff but everybody has their own belief san. They're entitled to their own decision next question. How much has there been discussion in the locker room. Just about all of that. Meaning vaccines quote. We talk about it all the time amongst my peers and that type of stuff. A lot of it is going on today. It's a constant conversation that we are always talking about. I don't understand it that shows that there could be a big rift. Teams are talking about it. The players are talking about it amongst themselves. I mean i talk about work. You know who is talked about. When the vaccines i started rolling out at my workplace and my workplace isn't really affected by whether or not you know people get vaccinated like the nfl. I think there is a very big potential for risk to be caused in certain. You know. I think basically they're talking about it. That means that there's a chance that once the season comes if they keep talking about it that somebody crosses the line and gets mad or loses their temper and goes off on the people who haven't gotten vaccinated and that creates the rift that creates locker room that has to choose sides. Everything goes into the bucket and everything simmers and like john madden called winning the ultimate deodorant and if teams are winning and everything's great. Maybe it doesn't come up when stuff starts to go south. Everything is a factor all the contributing factors bubble up. And i agree with you. I think that at some point it's gonna come out like hey maybe you would have known the damn play if you could have been in the meeting room instead of on zoom because you didn't get vaccinated like i. It's very easy to me that that stuff could happen right. Winning teams probably aren't going to have a rift form. So yeah maybe the cowboys. Ever rift form tokyo specs into murder. The cowboys out of the blue like that. Maybe it's hopefully it's the cowboys. The packers the buccaneers. Let's get rips on all of those teams. What the hell. No i want. Everybody get vaccinated dammit as many people as possible even if it costs the forty niners the super bowl and we'll see we'll see how that plays out but that was basically the news of the day mike mcdaniel also spoke I am going to be honest with you. I haven't listened to that yet because we had a limited window to record this. I wanted to make sure we got that done We'll have more reaction to that on the friday show with myself and michelle maggio so please make sure you check that out as well anything else. You want to mention before we go can football. Get here already. Yeah god from your lips to god's ears that's going to do it for us again. We realized self. God i didn't mean to. But if i did i'm not upset pitted happen. You don't get a site off. 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Cowboys expectations, 49ers QB battle, Tom Brady the GOAT, Super Bowl-or-bust for the Chiefs

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Two starters from last year's title run for brady isn't taking the cowboys lightly. S nice things to say about deb. Prescott. he's a really talented player Really since the day the league he shown to be a great leader of the team and You know we're just expecting to play like like dak prescott. Does you know very talented moves in the pocket. A good ball. They've got a lot of talented skilled players doxa great player so they got one of the best offenses and very talented defense linebackers. Very deep linebacker. They've got a good push up front. And i think they're very talented secondary So it's it's a big challenge. Our team joined now by fox. Nfl analyst bucky brooks slick. How seriously should we take the cowboys. The nfc we should take them seriously when it comes to their division in the nfc. We should not take them seriously when it comes to the nfc as a conference and let's be clear. We're discussing this. Because of what. Tom brady said we're not buying into what tom brady said or at least i am not he is doing. What a good savvy. Veteran quarterback would do when the is playing a seriously inferior team. He's trying to build them up so that his entire organization teammates etc all. Take him seriously bruce. Arians has done the exact same thing and even with that. Tom brady was trying to find ways to actually craft it to say. Hey you know what. They could be formidable in this week. One even though they had the fifth worst record last season coming off of that and they had a star crossed disjointed training camp nothing in training camp. Nothing in preseason suggest that they are going to be significantly better than last year and look i. I don't believe in group thin. And i see actually just interested in the fascination with the dallas cowboys and the willingness and desire to prop them up so i went searching for someone who would give me reason to buy into that and i looked at all of the power rankings. Sned been put out there. And the best that i could find is happened where they were ranked sixth not among teams in the nfl. Six among nfc teens seventh was about the average fell dot com an outlet which i believe mr brooks is familiar with them nine behind the washington football team and so i simply cannot take a team ranked six seven nine in power rankings coming into the season and look at them and say what. I need to take them seriously as a contender to win the conference. Slick rick you started off fast and you started off wrong. You better take searcy right here. Look honestly what. Tom brady was doing it. And you did as well in terms of the pr of this moment to public relations floyd mayweather though the same thing after a fight. After he defeats his opponent. He talks nothing. But nice things and pleasantries glowing remarks about tom brady desert before he beats you and after he beats you but these cowboys oh they're not going to be in many situations this year where they're going to be beaten. Let's talk about them first of all getting an opportunity to make the playoffs. They're going to win their division. We all know that. Here's some numbers to support them since the start of two thousand nineteen which team in net division has the best record the dallas cowboys since two thousand seventeen. What's quarterback has the best record visit. We as dak prescott at sixteen three. He owns this division when healthy dak prescott is healthy this year and let's just hope for good fortune that he stays healthy this year. That said now you're in the dance. Give yourself a chance once you show up to the day it now. Let's look at these dallas cowboys. And i'm gonna use tom brady. Is dan interpreter. You know what. Tom brady is putting respect on. The dallas cowboys. 'cause tom brady remembers last year in the playoffs in his first round that he was going against a team. That was led by tyler. Heineke and you remember. That game was going. Yeah for quarter one score way. They barely beat the washington football team. You don't wanna go to the next game. When they were playing the orleans they were down six early in that game. We wanted to green bay gave a decision here. A run there or call there and that game a flipped as well so tom brady speaking from experience of how. It's a thin line between love and hate and football ours. We all say it's a game of inches. You look at the dallas cowboys. They're going to win their division. That talented team finds itself in the playoffs. Well all of those weapons on offense and a rejuvenated re-energize defense and a new defensive coordinator that they all possess. Dallas dallas is ready to contend. Nfc rig rig rig click rig outlive that contribute to bay times now. contribute to. this is all that. So here's what i want to say about. The cowboy cowboy would certainly have an offense power is one of the reasons why but that'd be bucking have to worry about them. When i got was a season ago he was averaging over thirty points. A game for this team was averaging over thirty points again. You look at it. Three weapons on the outside michael gallup. Cd lamb amari cooper. Those guys are all capable of for one hundred yard game at any time. And then ezekiel elliott. Haven't had a chance to why elliot's fit in shrimp look. He's back to his college playing weight. And so if you're elliott is right the alliance certainly good enough to pay for him. And then you have dak prescott who was able to throw to those weapons they certainly can make any game shootout within rick. Even listening to what. Tom brady is saying about the cowboys. Linebacker deep they certainly are talented enough to give them problems. And the rookie mike important would be used kinda like the clean on the chessboard. He's the one who could be problematic. Wouldn't discount the dallas cowboys not only in this game where the team that could make a run in the nfc. They certainly are loaded up to do so boom okay. I'm not going to discount them. I'm not discounting everything that you guys are. Talking about is on paper okay. My problem is works. I haven't seen any of that in the preseason. You're telling me marcello she's just walked right. You went real quick. Dak healthy dak. Prescott is healthy. No he's healthy enough. We don't know how healthy he is more if he is completely healthy because we haven't seen him those weapons that you talked about. And ezekiel elliott bucky. We haven't seen them. I mean we've seen them but we haven't seen them play. So when i look at where they were and i look at their potential. I'm with you. There are reasons to be optimistic that this could be a different season. But i haven't seen it and this training camp this preseason you guys have to admit did not go the way the dallas cowboys had hoped it would go because you did not have dak prescott never mind playing or not playing in free season games. He wasn't practicing for a good part of it. Neither was amari cooper. neither was zeke. You'll elliott so while. I can look at them and say they have the capability of being good to say that they are a serious contender in the nfc. Right now based Based on what. I've seen i just don't have any basis fourth man. Would you guys that miss them. Practice and training camp sounds like to me to have fresh legs when the season starts. Because you look at a guy who didn't practice time my first year as a starter and made the pro and out. So i mean i would have practice stuff. Look if you will bother you a ball. You don't forget how to ride a bike. Dak prescott snuggle forget how to throw a football as slick. I love your props. A love your piece of paper and you say that's what we use as the basis but then you just bring up power rankings. And if that is not based on paper and just gawk gives a damn. I get no power for somebody else's power ranking. I give power from the game. When i'm between the white lies but you're gonna put up a power rankings from nfl dot com. And that's how to play and be slotted man. Let me tell you something real. Let's talk about how the fact that this is the easiest division to win now understand. Afc south sitting here said oh. That's us because they got jacksonville. The houston out there without saying by record seven wins one is division last year. Obviously this year is going to be more. But let's talk about that quarterback that you haven't seen in a pre season so now you're starting to question dak prescott mr money man himself. Why would you question this guy. Because let's talk about this. And i need to see some bucky face as well as some slick rick face when i talk about this that prescott in that division. The last eleven games against the nfc east teams. You want to know what his win loss record is ten and one slick rick. This ain't just pay per bro. This real completion percentage over seventy percent. Slick rick you hit Think about this passer. Rating one eleven. Oh goodness twenty five touchdowns just six interceptions. They owned division and deck owns the division. Now you add all that up. They're going to win the division. How are you not a contender. If you find yourself in the playoffs would all these weapons. So let's take it from the paper to the field and realized that division is the dallas cowboys for taking a love. What you speaking. Because i can tell more leaving it certainly imported some wisdom on you because the guarantees to get to the play offs. It's a win. The division in the dallas cowboys owned the division with dak prescott on the center. You rick you nba guru you wizard of all things basketball. You should know we talking about practice talking about pregnant and prescott. I cannot believe that you're so hung up on dak prescott not being available practice because it's raining camp training camp. We just trying to get through to get to the when it really matters back. And now we have the and guess what he's a full participant in practice and so because practices is so important to you just know the dak prescott is practicing with that offense that has bonded and is one of the reason why the cowboys have to be considered kempton practice private. Glad that he. I'm glad that he finally is but look marceau's all of your numbers about the division. I told you at the beginning. I believe in them when it comes to decision. Do think they're the team to beat in the division i don't think it's gonna be a walkover of the washington football team as much as you think it is but the fact of the matter is it's not the dak prescott played all last season and then isn't practicing right now it's the dak prescott didn't play most of last season and didn't practice and training camp so give me a reason to believe you guys just assume automatically the dak prescott is gonna come back and it's going to be exactly what dak prescott was the last time. We saw him well. The first day of training camp he comes back and he immediately injured his shoulder because of the lake that he's playing on so i need to see that there's not this dynamic this connecticut dynamic with him physically that he can be exactly what we saw the last time we saw him and that is why being serious again i will take them serious in the division but in the conference and the power rankings wasn't a reflection of paper it was a matter of those are based on all the other teams that they have to go up against against the in the nfc. And if you told me that those teams had dropped off or those teams were facing the same issues that i've seen the dallas cowboys face over the last twelve months. I'd say okay. There's reason there's reason shifted but those decisions all those power rankings weren't built just writing them down on paper they were based on what we've seen not just by the dallas cowboys but from all the other teams that they have to go. I slick this so funny man doing this show with two today. Because i know. I'm some tweets right now from some outsiders who were like. Wow marceau's this link or finally hosting the show together but first time but that's what outsider stink but you are not know each other slick oh the insiders know we go way back to other networks way back talking long to serve way back vegas times vegas slip. All i want you to know is on the inside of to the dallas cowboys. And let me tell you something. Ain't nothing wrong with dak prescott right now. This do was put on ice just because he's just such an investment as such a key piece to what they do that they didn't wanna risk it and why risk it when it doesn't preseason training camp but now the bulletin live the real so dak prescott will be there but selects it's i'm insider now only football and the dallas cowboys but insider to our relationship. Let's go deeper with our relationship shall we. Because you're brought up other teams in. They'll do this slick. You know me. I come with some notes. You talk about the other contenders out there. Like all the dallas cowboys to be scared of who the green bay packers really when aaron rodgers seven eight and the playoffs a super bowl win is that a winning a loser. Record says aaron rodgers out his own way when it matters most. Oh okay whiskey to them not lucky. I know you're co-signing. I don't i don't duckie goco saw little. What about the rams holiday quarterback looking at the playoffs. Oh donuts. randy's let's talk about the saints without we james western. Now okay. Looks good in the preseason. We'll see what islam. I believe in james but still. I don't know if that team's going to be the same seahawks how they look in the playoffs. One in four knee last five playoff games boy office can't even finish the season in the regular season. Second half collapses we got the bucks damn is hard to make up something bad. Say a against the books except no team has defended the super bowl title in seventeen years. And that was the same quarterback on that team this team so if anybody can do it. It's tom brady. But the problem is is so hard to do that. Said man of dallas cowboys going to walk into the dance and then they start the boogie. Cause it ain't too many people out there. That scares them really. Good points when you bring up the other team. Let's throw tampa out of this because the tampa. Bay buccaneers are the defending champion. However they also teamed team that was seventy five and they didn't look dynastic last year. The we still men that they're going to be a bath improved team just given the fact that they won the super bowl and they're all together but all of the other teams also have question mark whether the seattle seahawks and new offense coordinator saying watson trying to get russell wilson right. San francisco is trying to determine which quarterback is the right quarterback with them. The rams matthew stafford who may or may not be an upgrade over jared off the green bay packers ever quarterback. That doesn't even want to be there. So we don't even know which teams in the nfc or really emerged as viable contenders so to discount business a dallas cowboy too soon when they are the favorites to win the division to me right now based on what we just had it. Sounds like the dallas cowboys might be the second best team in the nfc and opposed to the that you were staying seven eight nine. Whatever the whatever we're thing yeah dallas might be the bill of all when it's all said and done. I only wish that we could compare with the cowboys. Have done in the playoffs to all those teams marcellus men. Unfortunately we love scratchers from virginia lottery. You probably also love having a breakthrough with your mother-in-law. That's everyday win jerry. 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You need to buy a car. Just grab your phone to room dot com and check out thousands of great karst. Kyle shanahan got creative with the forty niners. Quarterbacks in san francisco's third and final preseason game alternating jimmy garoppolo and trae lance on the same rod. Jimmy g. is still officially listed as qb one but over forty niners left tackle. Joe daley sees the value in. Kyle shanahan mixing and trae lance from start. Take a listen doing very scary. I think this is a handpicked quarterback in kyle anything so. I think what's so exciting about now. You have to play on eleven on eleven football. You have to account for the quarterback when trays out there. And i think there's going gonna be packages in certain situations i he'll come in. I actually don't even think it was going to be a lot like how it wasn't. The third preseason game or the rotating per series now it could be. But i believe it's going to be very dictated situation. Also polity comes in fucking is back with us after checking in with his. Nfl dot com peaks. But us who gives the forty niners a better chance of winning super bowl trae lance or jimmy. Oh is jimmy g. the winner. You know jimmy. G. is the genie in the lamp. All you can do is win. When he's healthy. Take this team to the super bowl and his only healthy year as a starter. And it's not even really close but i'm going to do something here and take you guys through a journey. My journey is going to be woven into the journey of mahmad trae land and let you know why this is jimmy job or at least it should be. Let's talk about one trae. Lance is going to learn define art one day of groin from the pocket but right now he doesn't know how to throw from the pocket and the pocket. Oh man you gotta understand how this goes. Let's talk about his issues in the pocket and it's forty six point. Three completion percentage into preseason. Oh it's just free. Let's talk about college. Oh the same guy who's wrong and completed only fifteen passes in the last two years. No no no before they. Oh the guy who has only three hundred. Eighteen pasa tips and seventeen games and north dakota state fewest college past wrong by a first round quarterback in forty years. This go back in time since we talk about forty years ago. There's a guy by the name of joe. Bush bomb respect to the guide of guru the inspiration behind nfl draft basically. This guy was the purest of the sport. Now remember coming out of college. And i remember reading all the evaluators talking about me and my skill set and it's so funny to hear about people talk about you versus what you know about yourself right and i was reading everybody. I want to name. Any names like bill. Kuyper i wanna read. Naming names like thomas j i want to name any names but only one of them nailed me and it hurt because he hit me right where it hurts. He said great ashley. We'll be good. Maybe injury prone. It has tight hips. Nobody else saw that. Nobody said that everyone else was big and fast strong us and what he did it the combat and job bush palmdale me. Why bring that up. Because i don't know who wrote this on trade last but somebody made of nailed them. Lots onto primarily. Read takes off running when i rediscovered. Slow to work through progressions needs to get comfortable throwing. It's tight windows. When i saw him in a pre season could actually saw him into preseason to charges game forty niners chargers. I saw guy who has some of those same issues. It's okay this is just a month of him playing. Nfl football versus a veteran or winner. Jimmy so the forty niners a smart if they really wanna give themselves the best opportunity for success. This is not a conversation. Is jimmy job yet. Lance gives them the best chance of winning the super bowl. Because it's not about who you believe. Sell us gives them the best chance or even who i think gives them the best chance kyle shanahan thinks gives them the best chance. Because that's the guy who's going to be given the best chance to win the super bowl and based on everything that i've seen to this point trail kyle. Shanahan is tipping the scales in trae lances favor trying to find every which way not only that he can build him up and get him ready as quickly as possible but even tipping the scales when it comes to how he's being graded you're right the numbers and statistics say that it wasn't a stellar preseason. And yet when he has struggled and then done well after the fact kyle shanahan has made that a plus saying. That's exactly what i needed to see. I needed to see him struggle and then see that. He was capable of recovering. We know what kyle shanahan believes when it comes to jimmy. He believes that he's not good enough to get the job done. Otherwise they would not have spent all that they did in order to get trae lance and i dare say that the play calling is going to be different between the two. He's going joe. Staley speaks to it. Like the the play calling is going to be dynamic four trae lance far more dynamic than it is for jimmy g. and it was as a result if we're asking who's going to have the best chance of winning the super bowl for the forty niners. It's the guy who's going to be given that chance. And and had that chance amplified by exactly how the game is called guys. Make terrific arguments and in fact i believe both guys are essential for the forty niners making a super bowl run. Jimmy garoppolo is twenty two and eight and the non starter. We have seen when healthy what he's been able to do ended up and it moves. He can operate from the pocket outside the pocket. Jimmy garoppolo does a great job of playing within the confines of position. Their cal shanahan wants to create however shanahan imagination runs wild when he has an opportunity to put trae land on the field. He gets a chance to do the fun stuff. That coaches like to draw what play utilize. The guy takes advantage of all of this talent as they runner to enhance. What is already a very dangerous renegade i believe this comes from cal shanahan being able to pop in and tape and look at what the baltimore ravens have been able to do and leading the league in rushing in each of the past two years the more jackson being the point appointment when you have a guy like trae land who forces defense is the play eleven on eleven football to an office. That's already creative in the running game. Hvac mismatches and headaches for defensive coordinator while also bringing in jimmy garoppolo garoppolo's durability history suggests that trait lansing going to get on the field. But i believe that stan wants to put both of these guys on the field doing games to allow the deepest have problems adjusting to the south if he switches with each guy in the game okay. Let's get there this go there yawkey telecom shanahan want talk about cash shanahan. Oh man over there. Just imagine how it could be all my god if he could get wit trae last. Look what they can do. Y'all trust shanahan interesting. Y'all trust the costa has a four thirty three win percentage somewhat check. That's under five hundred. Y'all trust him and then you say well. He doesn't trust jimmy g. so he doesn't trust him to get the job done but trust him when jimmy. Jeez the only quarterback he's ever been able to get the job done with what sense does that make. You don't cal shanahan going. Do he do told you not to do. He said don't give up the show production for more production. You end up with no production. And that's what's gonna happen. If you oughta bitch jimmy g. and have trae lance out there or even this dual system of let them go in for this series. Go into to play. It makes no sense. It's jimmy j. is twenty two eight as a starter cal. Shanahan seven twenty-seven without jimmy g. And y'all trust cows shanahan or go ahead. it's funny y'all trust cost shanahan to say let's share two opportunities with jimmy g. and trae lance i actually guys would you do this with mahomes. Would you do this. What lamar jackson. No no so. Why the hell are you gonna do. A jimmy g. when jimmy g. has led his team to the third most points per game of any starting quarterback says nine thousand nine hundred. Seventy and only two in front of him are patrick. Mahomes and lamar jackson. So go make share because dud as dumb hukou. We're not looking at the guy who's right behind him as yeah. That's kinda dumb as well. Jimmy d has one issue staying healthy. I did it. So let's play them to his heart but until then we're not sharing his experience because the resumes shows that were jimmy g. the only going to score. But you're going to win. The only have with is that you're making it sound as if timmy t. Did all that by himself. And never had kyle shanahan with him. The kyle shanahan has just finished trae lance guy like he just both arrived on the scene. And why are you changing. Things up is jimmy. G. has been so good up to this point. Here's the other problem again. You're bringing up all the reasons why shanahan might get fired for going with trae lance conversation for another day and who knows we may get there. It's just a matter for me. Of who gives them the best chance. And based on giving up three first round picks and a third in order to get trae lance john lynch and kyle shanahan or almost forced to find a way to justify spending all that to get dray lansing by giving him every opportunity to do the one thing that jimmy g. couldn't which was finished the deal otherwise they have to answer the question. Wait a minute. Why did we trade. All those picks to get a guy that can't play ahead of ahead of the guy that we already had so for me. The the problem that jimmy g. faces is die is already cast when the forty niners made the move to get get trade lance. They were putting their on trae lance getting them to the place. The one thing that jimmy could not which is a super bowl win you know rick. I appreciate you leaving me. Because i'm a speaking in marcellus term Thing to rapper the late nipsy hustler. Why did last time that. I checked with the last time saver for jimmy garoppolo. He is always heard and when he's always hurt he's unavailable then cal shanahan has always having to go to the bullpen though rather than put him out there so we disappoint him. What he wants to do is make him a part time player. Maybe utilize him at time. Trae last to take some of the pressure off jimmy garoppolo because we know ultimately history says is jimmy. Garoppolo is going to miss some time. So i need to get the young got ready to be able to assume the responsibility of a starter so this offense can continue to go on. I can talk about the two quarterbacks and why believe it would be successful. But ultimately the san francisco forty niners after have two quarterback 'cause. Qb one is somewhere down the line going to be unavailable. So it's not about jimmy garoppolo band removed. Even though they took trae lance number three overall because they want to replace him is the in his history saying is not going to be available to. Let me get someone who can do what we wanna do. When he's sitting on the sideline and we don't have to have the opposite get be oh man i get it. You got to justify to pick and i the job security. That's motivating them to justify to pick. I get all their survival to finish. I'll get it but damn y'all been relationship down. Marry me on the stand this. My wife tries to justify her purchases some time as well see by that bag. Why are you buy that bag. Does she try to justify taking a damn bag back right so all sudden look baby. Let's go bowling. She bringing that big ba. Why are you bringing that big expensive. We you know we just go to the park. You don't have to do everything just because it's what you should do in priority is use up jimmy garoppolo because as you guys keep telling me. He's always hurt. Okay if he's always hurt these healthy right now. So let's use them right now until he gets injured. Then you had your insurance policy called trae last best chance when jimmy g. has the best win percentage of all quarterbacks system merger and y'all trying to tell me oh trae lance give them the best chance what is he going to be top three missed me with that. You're ready to get back into yoga. So you're the essentials an onslaught matt yoga blocks to keep balance and an exercise ball. And you use your bank of america. Customized cash rewards credit card choosing to earn three percent cashback on online shopping. Up to five point two five percent as a preferred rewards member which she put toward your most essential yoga gear. Noise cancelling headphones apply for yours at bank of america dot com slash more rewarding copyright twenty twenty one bank of america corporation bay. Different than vegas eras. Put the packers through a lot this off season to impart to the rainy. Mvp's desire to have voice in roster process july. The two sides were able to come to an agreement that got rodgers back in the building along with his pal. Randall cobb on. Rogers says there's better communication than in years past adding quote for me. Just wanted to have a bigger impact in decisions that directly affect my job that i feel like i've competent enough to communicate. Nobody knows the locker room. Nobody has been around displaced in a position of influence longer than our house. Marta nobody knows the product. Like i do on the field. Damn air power. We're joined now. By joyce co host of the heard at best once joy i've known for decades decades finally get going do the packers. Oh a tehran. To include them in their decision making. Oh it of course. They owe him to be involved in their decision making at the very least they owe him communication right. When you're one of five men walking the earth breathing air ambiance as planet. Yes you are owed a solicitation of your advice five five starting quarterbacks in the nfl have won the super bowl. ben rothlisberger russell wilson. Patrick mahomes the great. Tom brady and who aaron rogers. And rogers five men that means five men walking. The earth have accomplished that and are still leading their team. Now among those five men. Other than ben roethlisberger who. I can't confirm speak in facts. Confirm that he's been solicited on personnel decisions. But we do know. Patrick mahomes as we know. Tom brady has russell. Wilson made it known this year. He'd like some communication as well and they gave it to him. So all aaron rodgers asking for being a one percent of a one percent and actually. That's that's probably not the correct. Math math is not really my thing. But when you're five of everyone on planet earth it's smaller than one percents. You're one of those five. Hey i know a thing or two about a singer two. Because i've seen a finger to. Maybe this asked me what. I think about my quarterbacks coach or text me if you're going to trade up in the draft and take my possible replacement and then i go when we gonna be. Which is the other thing. I should mention when. I'm talking about those five. Because of those five men he was the best last year. So what is asking for is not unreasonable. Now if you believe just blanket that no one who is a player should be asked anything about what they think or feel about personnel. Or what's going on with the team or coaches or any of that then. Sure it's very easy to say. What he's saying is a regis urine employ. Get in line but if you think that the quarterback the leader the face of the team with a ton of experience and success should maybe being the room when you make some decisions or just you know you give them a heads up about things. Then who is more qualified than aaron rodgers to be that situation. I'm pretty sure. Oprah got to pick some producers and her sixteen year of the oprah winfrey. Sure i'm pretty sure beyond say at this. Point has a say in who her backup dancers are now. They both make a lot of money. And sodas aaron rodgers butts. It is not unrealistic for him to say. Hey i like a heads up. If you're gonna draft my replacement jordan love ann's i'd like to say or to or at least just be heard just hear me out on some personnel decisions. So yes they owe it to him no. I can't go so far joyous to say that they own it to him and the distinction between some of the examples you made with fiancee and others. In terms of the comparison to aaron rodgers is that the show cannot go on without beyond saying the show can go on without aaron rodgers. It may not be as good but it can go on. You can't fine another quarterback to replace him so no they don't oh it to him. It's not an. His contract is not definitive. This is the role that he's supposed to have but they would have been smart to involve him. And i think the problem is that one. And i don't know why this is but i can tell you that the same exists in the nba. Is that executive for. Some reason are afraid to tell players the truth. They're afraid to engage with them and tell them exactly what they're thinking and i don't understand why that is. It's almost like they're not capable of handling the truth or maybe the exacts aren't always sure that their truth is justifiable with what they're doing can explain why that is but nonetheless with someone like aaron rodgers we to black and white like give him a voice if we talk it over with him. That doesn't mean that you have to do what he wants. More than anything. It's your opportunity to explain why it is that you're doing what you're doing. And even in a case is difficult and challenging as going to draft a quarterback in the first round if the green bay packers had gone to aaron rodgers and said look you fallen off the last two years. That's not making that up. That's fact you fallen off the last two years. We have to start thinking about who your successor is. We're not making a move now. It's still your job but we need to start getting ready for when you're not here just like we did with you and brett farr. And maybe aaron wouldn't have liked it but he would have understood it. He would have had to understand it and if he didn't that would have been on him. So that's the issue that i have with the green bay packers not that they have to involve aaron but that would have benefited them to involve aaron. And they haven't done it. Thank you thank you thank you. Yeah you don't owe him everything that you own is in that contract. And if he had the foresight if he to understanding of what he was owed he would have put it in the contract. But since it's not in their own entity air. Rogers knows that you can't reach up when you are an employee to the employer and tell them what you. Oh no. that's not how it works. Works they look at you and say okay. I can make you happy. It'd be nice to you. Pacify you could say some pleasantries to you could make it seem like you're part of this process but these wheels gonna spend with without your input. So if he wanted to get pacified. Sure just like we saw over there in philadelphia with carson wentz when they called them to let them know. Hey we go out and draft hearts and he was like okay. Cou why you said okay. Cool because he didn't have the option now that position where like okay to draft. Look because they don't listen to you. They're not going to say. Oh you know what air you right. So a-rod is caught between a rock and a hard place and you wanna know why he's caught between a rock and a joy. It's not just because air rodgers is one of the five men walking obeys planet. Now it's because aaron rodgers when they need most joy. Guess what he ain't all yes. We don't go near just not the way it should be because i saw a guy by the name of era rogers multiple championship games. One two three four five. Oh that number again. Five so five men on the planet are air rogers and she's been a championship game. What is his passer rating in those championship games. Eighty three point seven. What what about mark sanchez. He's only been to two championship game. We'll pass rate ninety eight mark sanchez respected to the homey. Who works here now okay. What about air rogers in his last three championship game. Let's keep it recent because you know you just want mvp. So let's get some recently bias in here. How they looked in the first half of those gangs. Outscore seventy two tanzania aaron rodgers. How many first half touchdowns have grown for those three games. One eh rogers. You eighty-three pass rate. Not touchdown eight interception one four record when we need you most so guess what we owe you jack because when we need you it seems like you don't show up force. I'm glad you mentioned showing up because aaron rodgers plays one side of the ball right. I didn't hear any defensive statistics. Not when you mentioned that doesn't help no it doesn't it doesn't help you. Arguments in two thousand seven. When they won that super bowl he had eight top five scoring defense which didn't have to score thirty five points to win a game every single time one thousand eighteen total defense eighteen sworn defense. It's twenty second two thousand nineteen scoring defense. Better total defense eighteenth twenty twenty thirteenth in scoring defense. You can overcome that lets you should. That's why they were in back to back. Nfc championship games. Which is pretty impressive. Let's let's let's do. Let's do everyone favorite here. And that's not carson wentz and aaron rodgers in the same category right. I think we can save you. Do the reverse as far as giving them a heads up. Sure but let. Let's let's keep it real. Aaron rodgers is better than carson wentz at this point. He's a little bit more sweat equity with the packers at this point. I do agree with you. I do agree with you. Rick that i feel like they do owe him. I don't think that the employee employ employers situation applies when you're talking about stars and and the level of talents and the minimum level of talent that we're talking about can't apply it souza's in an assembly line type of situation. So i do feel like the packers in that. And to your point about oprah and beyond say and being replaceable if they really felt like aaron rodgers replaceable than after all of this off season drama. Why isn't jordan. Loves the starter in in green bay. Do they feel good about him leaving. And that's the situation replaceable. As not always the situation or the packers going to exist without aaron rodgers moving forward of course. Are they going to be a cornerstone franchise in this league. Moving forward without aaron rodgers of course are they gonna be competitive without aaron rodgers. Of course do you feel like in the next year next year without earn rodgers. Where i believe he is leaving that they're going to be in the super bowl conversation without aaron rodgers. If your your goals is to show up and like each sure great if you're trying to get a ring then no that's not great and that is the difference between being replaceable. And not being replaceable. The reason that aaron rodgers still in green bay uniform because it benefits the green bay packers still have him in a uniform. George love is not ready to take them where they hope that you'll love can take them so why not take advantage of the fact that you have control over aaron rodgers and keep them for at least one more year and see that if you can finish the deal that you weren't able to The last couple of years. This is always the challenge. Because i do believe that players should be involved or she. You should take advantage of your players knowledge but players operate on a different system in time line then teens to the best teams have one eye on the president and one eye on the future. There are decision making is always looking at the to. How good can we be right now without fully sacrificing our future. Air care about that. Ev particularly now if at any time in his career he doesn't care about that. Because it's like. I only have so much time left. I'm trying to win right now. Of course he would rather have that first round pick used on a wide receiver or some other element other than his backup. But that said he's thinking about now and the green bay packers. Being a responsible franchise are thinking about now and the future. So i don't have a problem with what the packers are doing. It's more how they're doing it. They didn't have to create this fuss with aaron. They simply could have involved. Him could have listened. They could have explained what they were doing. And if aaron wasn't accepting of that then that's on aaron as opposed to the packers. And i dare say whatever patrick mahomes or even. Tom brady had to say it wasn't changing. What and read or bill belichick was planning on doing. It may have informed. It may have confirmed it but it certainly wasn't going to dramatically change. Yep they invited their own problems like it's a problem. They can deal with because his aaron rodgers and they're like dog. We're not listening to you. But we could have pacified. You in this moment to make you feel good to make you feel like you felt evolved. A part of this process But i would have did what i do a lot of times like most people mostly would this. They just wait to talk again. You know what i'm saying and you know win the charm in you know when you hit you know to do that i would air. Rogers what should we do Yeah okay draft. And then today he would walk out the room. We ate changing the damn thing on this draft board simple as that. And you wanna know. Why air because i know you're great multiple. Mvp superbowl champion blah blah blah. One of the top five. However we're trying to get a ring as joy said last time. I checked to get a ring. We gotta do our thing. Nfc championship game. Last time i checked that one four record is hurting our opportunities. Last time i checked is not just because of the defense. Homeboy era is in the first half. Nc championship games. I want to hear these stats because the defense gets blaine ultimately but boy aaron. If you came out playing like eras maybe we wouldn't be in this predicament. Two touchdowns and six interceptions and a sixty seven passer rating blog deep with these numbers. Hair rods key looking at the defense like they can't hold up the end of the bargain. They looking at you like. Where'd you go especially in the first half when we need you. Both the afc north might just be the toughest division in the nfl both shortly and heading into this season three teams from the division the steelers ravens and browns all made the playoffs last season. And my bengals are on the rise showgirl back from his knee injury. Joy taylor is back with us her to ask you first who wins. Afc north Torn right now between doing my job and doing what. I wanna do So let me do my job. I i think. The cleveland browns. Along with the pittsburgh steelers and baltimore ravens are going to run neck and neck in is division. I mean they're gonna be must watch games between those. But i'm gonna give it to what i wanna do and say the baltimore ravens. Let me tell you why almost start here point differential. I remember i got schooled up on point differential because i used to be a talent evaluator looking. Who team is the best. All the team that got the most talent they start learning from the patriots and teams that go out there and play smart footba teams that. Go out there to protect football teams. That go out there and play discipline. Football complimentary football there. Oh it's not just the talent based evaluation so now we're point differential highlights the fact that when you beat up on teams. Oh you beat up on teams. What are what team last year had the highest point differential and per. Game baltimore ravens. They're that talented and their debt. Good deskilled now. People say okay but what about the other top teams in terms of point differential and how affair for them see the green bay packers in c. Championship game see the tampa. Bay buccaneers super bowl champions. And i see the buffalo bills. Afc championship game. Although the team in there and a top five new orleans saints playoff team. Here's the point. If you look at the baltimore ravens. What they can do what they can do. Is anything you want them to do. Whether it's through the passing game even though they have their issues and their walls between the philosophy and play calling and also some of the production at the wide receiver position mark jackson. A couple years ago led the nfl and pass the test styles. You talked about the running game. Oh that's the best one game you see in the nfl so then you add it all up. And what they do. Best is unconventional. Even though they have a compromise passing game they still can go out there and beat you in the passing game but more importantly supported by their running game last but not least joy try to challenge me last segment. I didn't hear you talk about defense. So now i love the self-correct. Let me talk about the baltimore. Ravens defense oh allowed the second fewest points last season of all. Nfl teams you talk about a balanced attack and you talk about complementary football with the second best defense and points. Oh you got to be the baltimore ravens win in this division. What did i do to deserve this question. The one guy who's a bengals fan on this show. I have to discuss. Who's gonna win the afc north knowing without question. It is team about it. So it pains me and ultimately i'm with you marcellus. I do believe that this is going to be a fierce fight. I bring it down to the browns and the ravens. I think they have a half a step on the steelers. I need to see with ben. Rothlisberger is coming back with before. I can put them in the circle with those other two so i flipped a coin. And i went with the cleveland browns. And i only went there because in looking at how this is gonna shake down. I believe they're so. Close that head to head. Matchups and head to head results could decide who gets the nod in terms of winning the division and the schedule makers clearly are giving an advantage to the cleveland browns when it comes to that department these two teams the browns and the ravens are going to play each other twice in a matter of three weeks but it is set up for the cleveland browns. To take advantage they go to baltimore and then they have a bye week and then they get to host the ravens at home. Meanwhile the the ravens have to go play. The pittsburgh steelers in between the two games against the cleveland browns. And by the way in this run up to that three-game stretch for the for the ravens. They've got to play and go play the chicago bears in chicago. While browns get to play the detroit lions at home so only because of how closely matched i think these two teams are and how competitive division is going to be giving the nod to cleveland because it is set up for them to take advantage of the head to head. Matchup as much as i agree disagreed with guys about aaron rodgers. We're all kind of on the same page here. The afc the nfc west. I think are the two best divisions in football three of these teams in the playoffs last year and as a girl born and raised in pittsburgh at pains me to say this but also kind of gives me pause it. We're all sort of ignoring the steelers as well. But i'm with you. I'm going to go with the browns. It's splitting hairs because obviously the ravens or the steelers could easily win this division as well but brady is. I'm sorry brady. Baker is paying for that contract. So i think that will be a factor in this season. St kevin Has finally established a culture in cleveland's so they have style they have an energy. They have momentum. I love their running backs. I love their defense. I love the ambitions that they made in the off season. They were very aggressive. And there are things i don't like about the other teams in the division for example. I don't like the running back situation with the ravens the injuries that's a big question mark for me and this division. We know how important it is to be able to run the ball. Talk about the steelers. Ben roethlisberger looked good in. Preseason but how is he going to fare seventeen game season. They've got a rookie running back. I still have some questions about that. And of course you have the bengals. Sorry rick but as much as i love joe borough. I don't think this is the year that they're going to come out and win the division so it's very tight small window but i'm gonna go with the browns. I liked the momentum that they have going into the season and again bakers playing that contract. So i think that that will play a role as well. Oh you like the momentum. Last time i saw browns they were losing a game last muscle to ravens. They were losing to game. The steelers watching it again. Yeah and he played backup and they can even beat the backup other. Let that live. Because i'm going with the raiders in lhasa masada. They were losing close to buffalo. Throwing pick six as well so now. Since i can't go out there and hypotheticals give real with this. Let's talk about when they play last year. How that look says we. You're right there. But we got their rushing attack was last last year dodgy hairs there. I'm sure he's going to help you guys improve but does this say you guys are in tier two tier one. We got browns versus ravens. Let's be real joy. How did it go last year with the browns versus the ravens. Oh thirty eight to six. That's molly that's high school. That's taken off the show to pass to the cheerleaders already and then you play them again and it gets tight. Oh you're gonna make us really work for this forty seven to forty two. Who won that game. Baltimore beat the cleveland browns. Now the thing. I don't like about the cleveland. Browns their inconsistency at the most important position baker mayfield. I think he's gonna play well enough for this team to do what they need to do. I think he's not going to be in a pressure situation because of the contract baker mayfield knows. He's a man because he's restored. Whatever cleveland used to have when i was growing up in the early nineties in football so now we're looking at a situation of can you take care of the football. Can you do the little things. Penalties turnovers etc joy. Here's some trivia. What quarterback in the nfl has thrown the most interceptions over the last three seasons baker mayfield. That's the problem. You know what that turns into office instead is twentieth. Ranked or worse in two of his last. Three seasons is this baker mayfield. Has he had two consecutive. Goodyear's yet is this. Is the roller coaster ride. So i'll look at a team that's trying to figure itself out and you're finding your way versus the baltimore ravens. Some say underachieve. But at least they're consistent in their model and their method and their approach and in their dominance over cleveland. No i i don't i can't adamantly disagree. We're all kind of one percent here making a choice. I just i do not like the running back situation with the injuries for the baltimore ravens now if they go out and sign a. Let's habeas murray. Am i feel better about and obviously we know. Lamar jackson is a huge part of practice. Squad lack the squad. How the field on the roster. Roy but i do think that we're gonna have back again. Baker is in another year of the system with the coach of the year and kevin fan skied. I think they have a little bit more culture now. A little all those sets you mentioned can't be argued with. They do have a little bit more of an identity. Now they're going to run the ball. They're not gonna make baker throw him more than he has to. They do have a good receiving core. Good tight ends and their defense is great and again. I like the additions that they brought in especially on the defensive side of the ball. This year is a division that is about defense and running the ball. Now lamar jackson not being throw. The ball is a myth. It's a mystery. I don't know why that exists. It's not true. Stop saying is slow. The bihar it is not true. I just think that this will be the year that the browns prove that they are legitimate contender. And i can't believe i'm saying it's like her in the mountain. But that's that's what i think will happen to throw away take go slick bengals go ahead. Yeah oh look. I don't i don't like i don't like what i'm tasting when it comes to vouching for the browns either but i agree with the whole idea. That lamar accent is the better quarterback. If we're talking about. Which team is going to win based on the quarterback then i would have to go with the ravens what i believe that the browns have figured out though is what baker mayfield can and can't do and that the two matchups. That first decisive loss was the first game of the season for the browns against the ravens. And that second one was later in the season. So i feel as if they've evolved and the reason why i believe in. The browns isn't because of baker. It's because of everything around him. And what kevin stefanski has figured out which is how much to give give baker not to give him too much not to expect him to be the difference maker but simply the utilize him as a manager. And what i get. The sense of is that baker is on board with that too. He's coming to understand. I just need to be a piece of this. I don't need to be the hero. Argue that i'll give it the last two years. We see the baltimore ravens nine and three in that division and the first week of the season is always about the talent. the last ones that's about the coaching. We'll talk about that. another talk. Tom brady is the best player in football history athletics. Nfl one hundred list outlet sites raise competitiveness with delays which include the most super bowl wins and the most playoff. Flynn jim brown jerry. Rice taylor a reggie white. They round out the top. Five with joe montana peyton manning johnny nineties as other quarterbacks joining brady in the top ten k we brought to get into this one joined now by fox. Nfl l. is tj gershman. Zodda so slip. You have a problem with athletic. Name and tom brady the best player. Nfl history. yes. I do have a problem with that because i don't know what it's based on. Obviously best can mean a lot of different things but best to me is most talented best. Not most successful most successful then. Yes tom brady would have to be at the top of your less less. But if you're saying best to me it means. Are you the best player and i can't give that to tom brady. I would still make the argument that pound per pound for pound as quarterback. Aaron rodgers is more talented has not as -ccomplish as much but all around is better but the whole list is a mess. I don't mind if you take one philosophy or you have your own definition of what best is. The best is most successful. But if that's the case then jim brown kid be number two jerry rice and any number of other guys have to move up and we're talking about best than tom. Brady can't be best. Because we're talking about talent pure talent and then dion sanders and berry sanders have to be higher. We're saying best all around. And i'd probably put jim brown at number one because i think for his position what he did in accomplished during his time in the league. Nobody played the position the way that he did so. It's not so much an issue with tom brady. It's an issue with the list and not being clear on exactly what the dynamics were in selecting these lists are always subjective. When you're comparing guys in different positions and different eras. it's impossible. I'm going through the same thing right now at the nba. And picking the seventy five greatest for the seventy five seventy fifth anniversary. It's an impossible task to be fully objective. There's no defining line but at least give me a constant philosophy that you are working off of that is consistent and looking at this list. Just the top ten. There's nothing there that is consistent about this election. Man i'm which he's slick man. This is gonna hurt me and pay me to take a shot at tom brady but i listened to the words and they matter greatest. Tom brady is the greatest football player of all time is either best football player of all time hale. No we all stopped with this. Look here's the difference Let's help these writers out letty. Greatest is after the fact. You know why because you could start adding accolades onto a team achievements. You could put all of that and stack it up and make it bigger than what it was but best is. Can you do it and it. Oh matter how it comes out. Long as i look at you saying nobody can do it better than you now. Tom brady at the quarterback position throughout his entire time. There's been conversations if someone doing it better than even tom brady. No one's doing that. Greater than tom brady because he always sister like that with the confetti falling down on his head but doing it better. When i was playing younger days it was peyton. Manning is paid men in better than tom brady. Both players will say yeah. He's better here in greater because he can't get over the hump. He finally did but still not as many times as tom brady. So when you look at it now. Tom brady. He's still in the conversation is he. The best quarterback no everyone goes to air rogers or even youngsters. Say patrick mahomes. The point is he's never set. They're comfortable on the throne. Saying i'm the best player so if you never did that how can you now look entirely in history. As say he's the best to ever do it. Greatest yes best. No i have a top ten list here. And i'm gonna save it for my next slap because my top ten list is actually the best players. But i got to hear from tj bala. Last time. i checked. Tom brady own job when he played john. Owen for tom brady. Tj was two one hundred yard. Cats is catching games and one touchdown. Tj the floor is yours. so you're saying i did. My part knows games. I did my came up a little short. So this is what i will say. He can be an argument for the best players. I have no problem waited at all and the reason. I don't marcellus names peyton manning. You tell me when. Tom brady threw to a reggie wayne or margaret harrison. Oh the year. He had a great receiving core with the malls. Look what he did. An rogers greg jeans. Donald driver jordy nelson davante adams. You tell me when. Tom brady has had that. Oh he s some similarity in tampa bay. First shooter what did he do. Key won the super bowl so mall. This can be very you. Look at the guys that you're talking about. That are the best and your naming quarterbacks look who they played. Tom brady has done more with less than any player. Ever in the national football league at all. There's no denying it you. Oh he's not. Tom brady has never had the weapons. And when you give him the weapons what does. He do historical season when he had lost. Oh it's just my first tampa bay. They can't win. nobody really cares about. Oh we wanna super bowl. Because i have good positional players around me so him. Being an argument. I have no problem because starkly if you look at it. He's done his part every year. As i who bows yes. The defense carried them but nobody talks about atlanta win. He put the team on his back. Nobody talks about billy although they lost he put the team on his back. I i normally. I envy the opportunity that you guys have had in playing in the game and the knowledge that comes from that. But this is one instance where the fact that marcellus can't take a shot at me. Because of what tom brady did to me on the field. I actually appreciate your tj. This conversation that all that said look the the problem is as i see with these comparisons and with tom brady is tj. You're talking about the pieces that he had around him. Yes offensively he didn't have starts but defensively he always had a great defense that he was playing with. And i can't help but feel that a lot of what is informing. This particular list at this time is a little prisoner of the moment that if we were putting this list together a year ago. The tom brady would not have been at the top of the list. It's a function of the fact that he went to tampa bay and won another super bowl even though when you look at that tampa. Bay buccaneers team. The group that he had around him was as big a reason for their success. As tom brady was certainly he was the pied piper but had a tremendous amount of talent around him. So that's that's where the distinction comes as we look at collective success and i think more in football than anyplace else it's it can't it's never one guy it can't be one guy. The function of the game doesn't allow that and yet. We give all the accolades now. Because tom brady went to tampa bay and he won another super bowl now he gets all the accolades for all the super bowls. That were one in new england. And i think that's convenient convenient but i don't think it's accurate. Say that's the way it works eight marcelo so it was my record against new england you harvey donut and four donut man. But between the two of us we was terrible because you're one three against though so what he said. Hey that's one smile. What got brady at least you held down for one of us own here. I just looked at it like this week. Tom brady consistently consistently from start to finish. He's done three super bowl in twenty so when it's thirties to win his forties possibly three or four forty to nothing he's been consistently good and you guys said done this. You guys are the ones that put the quarterbacks on a pedestal. When i was playing the quarterback do well. He didn't have a lot of help when he did great. He was the best player in the world. Yes sir wait a minute. What was that word. You used you all you can understand consistently what consistently rate good say. He has been consistently good occasionally. Great consistently great. If we have answered this question you guys can't name a player that played in the national football league. That's accomplish more than tom brady. You just can't and we know that but we ain't trying to say that that's a different conversation and that's the problem between greatest and best his. Here's the answer greatest you give that away at the banquet because you got to measure everything that they did on the field but you also gotta measure into accolade and how it all added up best. Look we don't do that in stands as we we go to pop warner gays. Tj do what everybody does it. Who's been around the game before you go to a high school game literally game and literally sitting there and you're hearing every go baby johnny and you sit there and you'll hit choir. Like only what. He's do look like they something. The residues ain't got shot. Inhale right but you don't wanna bust any. Does that last weekend exactly. So i'm sitting there always like this. Some parents daring. Oh he's see out there number seven. And if i don't answer anything else number seven will do it. Seven eight the best number seven ain't going make you like the talent base conversation so when you talk about. My son's number is number seven. How did you know that i was there. So it's slick is so crazy. We're doing this right now. The evaluation when you say greatest is like you and all of y'all. What have you accomplished. What is best is focused. It is directly on you and let me drive this home with my top ten list. Tell me if you agree with me. Number ten best players ever aaron donald thang ding ding ding now. Ladainian thomason eight dan marino. Seven patrick willis six t o five john randall. Four three bruce smith to diaz sanders. Who's number one this see. If y'all know jerry rice man down here slick bess. Icee lewis. Lt oh live. Both of them off. Barry sanders best player. No doubt you thank you stay. Consistent teammates my boys despite losing to the bucks in super bowl fifty. Five patrick mahomes and the chiefs are the favorites to win super bowl six. According to fox fettes homes will likely be an mvp favourite as well along with chargers. Qb just the herbert in an afc west that looks to be more competitive issue. The new york post argues. It's super bowl or bus. For casey while they have homes and his prime so tj is back with us split. I'll start with you marcellus. Is it indeed super bowl or bust for the kansas city chiefs. No it's not super bowl. A bus lee. He's articles these publications man. They get bored before the game started happening for real because they gotta just write anything. Suv ruler bus. Last time i checked. They're one of the favorites this year. And did they win a super bowl last year so they come off a bus year last year and they still predicted to do it again. This year what they really want to say is this slick there. Why are you in your prime. Take advantage of these opportunities because you never know how long you're going to have these opportunities. Well let me tell you how long they have these opportunities as long as they got. Patrick behove patrick mahomes could be thirty five years old and if he's still patrick mahomes as tom brady is showing her age. Forty three forty four that they still can go out there and get it now. That may sound like a lot of hyperbole. you believe what i just said. Let me give it to you this way. After the age of twenty seven do you know john. Elway won two super bowls before he was twenty seven zero. Oh i thought it was super bowl of bus. What about kurt warner zero before as twenty-seven about after got one what about pain manning number four how about after two to breeze did he get one young. No did he get one after. Yes did air rod. No did he get one after. Yes here's the point. Y'all needed to stop with this. These quarterbacks like a john elway who was at the end of his career ran off back to backs. You look at tom brady. Who had to leave a home for twenty years that he helped build with six championships. First destination per-share super bowl championship at the age of forty three. Y'all stop as long as the beasts address them appropriately where resources and weapons and a little bit of a defense. He's always going to be in this position. No is not super bowl bus. I knew that we disagreed on this topic. I just couldn't figure out how or why we disagreed on the subject. But now that i know and it's not our view of the kansas city chiefs are patrick. Mahomes it's our view of what championship or bust actually means and for me it is would this season an abject disappointment if they don't win a super bowl as opposed to this is their last chance to win a super bowl and you can interpret it either way. I don't think it's defined particularly but for me. no. I don't believe it's their last chance to win a super bowl. I might put that on the tampa bay buccaneers. Before i put it on the kansas city chiefs but i do believe that anything short of winning the super bowl will be a disappointment for all the reasons that you gave marcellus number one being patrick mahomes as long as you have patrick mahomes and based on what they've done the last two years not just getting there but winning it all is what it's all about. I dare say that. The reasons and the changes that they made during the off season which was completely revamping their offensive line. I've never seen a team. Get to the super bowl and revamp and rebuild itself with one specific thing in mind to fix the thing that costs them them. Supermom never mind what got them. They're like that's the thing we didn't have the didn't allow us to win it and we're going to change that out and so for me because they did that because of what they invested in that and because you again you don't know how many shots that you get. I would expect that they're going to get plenty with patrick mahomes but injuries happen etc. I do believe that if they don't win the super bowl this year if they don't get revenge for what happened last year then it will be a disappointment and that's a high bar to set but nonetheless i believe that's exactly where it is for the chiefs and that's how i am interpreting championship or bust every team. That has a legit chance of. Winning will be disappointed if they don't win the super bowl when your quarterback is twenty five old bridge. No season is super bowl airbus because you assume and rightfully so. We're going to have at least another decade to go at this only four quarterbacks in history. Nfl have made super bowls in her purse. Four seasons only four multiple starts and the four. Kurt warner tom. Brady patrick mahomes. Russell wilson out of those four only. Tom brady has won a super bowl after that after the first for years so we assume patrick mahomes will win another super bowl but when you're twenty five years old and never is it super bowl or bust now. He was thirty five quite possibly twenty-five absolutely not. What's the rush season number. Four ten year contract with the rate us. I lost vegas has yet to make the playoffs. That's we gm. Mike payoff admitted that he and grooten quote feel like we need to be a playoff team. This year this week grooten gave his thoughts on the season. Saying quote. our really feel press. Mark davis is going to let me know if it's good enough or not know good. What is it fifty. Eight years old now and i'm not working any less than i did when i was thirty. Eight doing the best. I can dammit. Tj is back books. Lick love or hate jon. Gruden fan feels no pressure as a raiders fan. I would hate it as a bengals fan. Oh i love it because my team normally pays the price for not spending any money and the raiders are paying a price for having spent too much jon. Gruden doesn't feel any pressure because he's in the fourth year of a ten year. One hundred million dollar contract. Jon gruden what is it to feel pressure from who mike mayock. He hired mike mayock so and he's already said as far as this. Upcoming season is concerned that whether they're going to meet expectations are not has everything to do with quarterback derek carr so he already lined up his scapegoats if things continue to go the way. They've gone which is not what you would expect from somebody who's getting paid a hundred million dollars over ten years but again what's the fallout. They fail. they don't succeed his got generational wealth. What they're gonna flyer and now he gets to go home and draw that one hundred million dollars there is no downside for jon. Gruden and mark davis is the architect of it so he's getting exactly what he deserves. Man nonni generation of wealth. No state tax damn. So that's one hundred fifty million out there at least oh my god he eating out there. You know what. I've always been a fan of shuki and i love. I love san. He didn't feel any pressure. Sounds like a real secure person to me. I'm gonna make of this but this is a serious topic to me in the sense of. If you're doing your best what else he's supposed to do like i hate when people go around here and they really trying to actually play their role based on other people's thoughts and desires and expectations of them. When is simple then that the simple way of approaching life is do. You're damn best and always be open minded pliable self-correct etc but do your best. And that's it but people will try to drag you based on their expectations. That what the best is for you and to me. This is me talking the only time i see people. Respond to people's expectations is when they know they ain't doing their best in the first place. So jon gruden. I love you be secure about this. Trust your input and output and results will come and jon gruden is saying. Hey y'all if you really wanna pay attention. they're coming. Raiders have won four games in his first season. Then seven games in the second season. They won eight games. That's called it proves men. Okay you remember that. The raiders only have one playoff appearance says the super bowl appearance in two thousand and two which chucky whooped up on them. He's only one of nine active head coaches with a super bowl ring. Your like this is not out there. Put network getting this situation better to office. Went from twenty third to eleven to eighth top ten office. Now we see so when you go to a situation where they only won a playoff game in nineteen years twenty years and have it one more than nine games but once over the last eighteen seasons. What the hell. Y'all expect instant results. They didn't expect that that's why they gave him a ten year deal because they know what's going to take time and so far chuck. He's been responded with that time. I guess i'll go on reverse a little bit with this when you talk about the raiders. Not winning a playoff game. Guess what the last. Play game jon. Gruden wine was when he beat. That saying raiders team almost twenty years ago. Oh i love that. He feels that way. I really do. I just hate that. He said publicly. Okay you you should feel that way. You're on a front end of your contract. He not even on the back nine yet. You're on the front end that his contract but don't come out and say it because people like us and others. That are true. Fans at a raiders. They're gonna bash you for that. You can't do that and you're talking yards offensively third a twenty four th ranked offense points wise scoring off. It's twenty four. You're supposed to be an offense of guru. John grew the we have to do better than that. And so i love that he feels that way. You just don't say that publicly because perception is almost as if i had his tenure contract quickly going to do to me. I'm good. i'll be right back. that's true. look the player. I used to see the podium. Talk all the time from coaches and players. Is the cats. Go up to the podium. Act like they almost bought the shit here. When we had a loss sues. They gave back behind the curtain. And we'll be doing tonight to sometimes you got to predict that perception that you really care. I hear you tj. The patriots released cam newton during roster cuts and hitch their wagon to rookie mack. Jones explained the decision saying quote. I have nothing but positive thoughts and feelings for camp. He came in here. He worked hard. He gave us everything he had right now. Our future is going to be back at quarterback and that is where we're going so marcellus. How bright is the patriots. Future with mac joe. All i think it's going to be brighter than it was last year. Obviously i think it's going to be very bright going four because of the belief emag jones plan to patriots way the patriots way as i learned the hard way at a one and three record against the patriots was not to go out there and win games. But make sure you don't lose the same game and that's how they play so close to the best very disciplined football so i just want to play a little over under game which you right now. Slick rick and let's just base it off of last year's production at the quarterback position everybody know defender of cam newton and his twenty one total touchdowns but at the same time over under jones have twenty one total test us over. I'll go over. Yeah yeah yeah you. Yeah take their lawyers easy okay. What about eight passing touchdowns. Let's make it easier for you know oko okay. That's the point at that position. They didn't get much from cam. Newton and that was still seven and nine teen that was in for a close ball with the ball and their opponents territory. One o'clock expired. That close if you squint. This team have won. Eleven games with cam. Newton love you bro. Eight pass tells the twenty one total touchdowns mac tells do more than that at that position but more importantly he's gonna keep them in the position and the philosophy that they love to play in which is hey. We all need to go out there and win the game. Just make sure you don't lose it. Yeah i agree. One hundred percent is brighter than a year ago. Because if bill belichick found his guy and he didn't have to move up to get him so unlike the san francisco forty niners so he didn't have to Utilize any additional resources. And i look at the offensive line. The cam jones is playing. Behind unlike zach wilson or trevor lawrence. And the what did i say. Did i i the division line behind so we look at the value that he has the time that he's going to have as a result of playing behind the great offensive line that is critical for a young quarterback to have and he has a coaching staff. That has been successful. A proven track in developing rookie quarterbacks. And making them a success so when i put it altogether bill bell checks ability. I think you pointed it out his ability to put back jones in his sweet spot not to ask him due to do too much but simply to be able to take advantage of what they have. There's nobody better than at that than bill belichick. So he is put in a position to succeed and certainly do more for them than camp did a year ago. Yeah this question loaded anyway. I could ratio right here. Of course is brighter than me. Stop boston we love to eat. Dead joke up right there. Matt jones versus cam newton. She i go there as i am. Let's talk about how the suburbs used to be. The real suburbs The same now but back in the eighties. When i was playing young football. Pop warner football. The suburbs real and i always used as contrast. I had a team that we didn't lose a game to the fourth season in the championship game. So we were like forty and old before we play this championship game right where the inner city team that had all the talent and we go out there and a chance of gays and he had to respect your opponent but we want championships shifts in a row. This is our four form we about to get right and we had to face this team. That had all discipline and no talent. And i remember looking at wanna. Everybody did it in jumping jack to go inglewood igwe and we laugh like dale. They look sorry. We bought that wax still hers. Fourth quarter seven to three. Yeah we we lose it. Like what is going on and i swear that moment i didn't feel that again it's got to. Nfl plan the patriots. You look around. You know always obeys you look up. The scoreboard is laughing at you. Once again that wilson hopes to be part of the jets turnaround and the rookie quarterback thinks his experience at b. y. You help we'll send explain saying quote weren't great when i got there four nine there. We just kept fighting through adversity getting better. Every year coors won eleven games last year and wilson's junior season. So slick wilson turn around the jets. No not it's not a one man job. God bless zach wilson. You haven't been paying attention to your know it's gonna take more than that and that's the problem. Is that the new york. They all too often think. It's just going to be the solution. One guy one quarterbacks going to change everything that's the case. Then have your front office. Get that quarterback into camp on time. And don't have a contract squabble zach. Oh they're gonna turn it around. You know what. I went to colombia to an eight. Two eight thousand two. I remember when adjust used to. Spank us test. Verdy and big tonia. Hey wrexham mark sanchez. This so zach. Wilson robert solace your turn.

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Stats & Eggs, 8/24: Shanahan sees improvement in Trey Lance in Week 2

Niners Nation

06:55 min | 2 months ago

Stats & Eggs, 8/24: Shanahan sees improvement in Trey Lance in Week 2

"This episode is brought to you by hp plus in a world full of smart devices. Isn't it about time. Your printer got smart to now. Printing is smart with hp loss and the hp smart app is how it all happens. You can print from your phone with just a tab no matter where you are even from your garage slash home office slash yoga studio. That is smart. Hp plus learn more about smart printing at hp dot com slash smart. Good morning. i'm rob stats guerrero. Today is tuesday. august twenty four. Twenty twenty one. Here's what's happening with your san francisco. Forty niners after a day to watch the film. Kyle shanahan had a lot to say about rookie quarterback trae lance yesterday and well most of it was pretty good first of all listen to kyle explain what he liked about lance his day as a whole responded around it i mean trays and played a A lot of football in the last year or so thinking in college. I think he's throwing one interception since high school Though you know it's kind of to watch them go out there and throw throw pick Tap a couple of close some things. You isn't used to. And i know got it down pretty bad but the watch to go out there and we cover almost nicer to see because i haven't seen him to play much stuff like that. I'm watching all of his college. St throw pigtails. One game The cova dear So it'd be able to see him do that on the stage the do it out there and be able to leave them out there for a few series and let them kind of fight through that really think. Eventually after that he started getting the best rhythm on that his visit these two games. I was pretty surprised to hear kyle lance was down after an interception in a preseason game maybe he's pressing a little bit because he thinks he can win the job. I don't know but that really kind of jumped out at me. When i heard kyle say it. The other thing i liked was that he said lance got in the best rhythm. He's been in since he's been out there that kind of touches on the overall theme of today's show which i think you'll pick up on as we go along here so let's get to more of what shanahan said about lance. We know that he missed some things in the first game against the chiefs. How was lance at correcting some of his mistakes. Kyle than the chiefs game. He definitely was focused on correcting them. In this game Also make some corrections throughout the game to which is isis de. Not having to wait till got to the film and stuff some things that he was aware of that he did not. I thought he cleaned out the more comfortably. Got in there. Okay that points more towards the mental kind of things but one thing that john lynch said after the game against the chiefs was that land sort of reverted to his old footwork on old mechanics. Is that the case in week two. How did lands do in terms of throwing mechanics and the changes. You guys asked him to make better. I mean i think anytime. He gets thrown into the heat of battle of especially younger guys. Who played a lot. I mean you always going to resort to what you've done and your technique is awful lot. It did that a ton in the first game. I thought it was much better in the second game. I'm an hope. He'll continue to get better in the third game. Okay so. I think you can see where this show is going now. The overarching theme here is pretty clear. The moorlands plays the better he gets. and before. you all jumped down my throat. Call me jimmy hater and on and all that. That's not me saying that. You just heard. Kyle shanahan say that now. I wish somebody followed up with the obvious question. And maybe they will after game. Three the preseason. But the obvious question is if lance is continuing to improve in the way that you say he is kyle. Why then would you want to bench him for jimmy garoppolo and stop all of that development. That's what doesn't make sense to me. If he gets better the more he plays and he needs reps to continue to get better. He's not going to get those as the backup quarterback. So i just. I'm trying to find the logic here in the consistency in what they're saying and unless lance is the starter. I can't find any. Maybe that's just me. And you think i'm looking through lance colored glasses. I know but i just try to match up what they say with reality. And when there's a disconnect there. I feel like i should point out. That's all some non quarterbacks stuff from kyle shanahan injuries mo- hearst and michael kendricks. Both left the game early and did not return. We got updates. Mo- hurst has the dreaded high ankle. Sprain which i think every forty niner had at one point last season and michael kendricks has turf toe. Those are both really tough injuries that tend to linger and kyle. Shanahan did not sound optimistic. He said they're both going to be out at least a month. The other thing kyle said that was interesting. He is planning to use some of the veteran players in the final. Preseason game this. Sunday against the raiders. Guys like fred warner george kitto. Maybe guys that haven't exactly got a lot of run or any run this preseason. He didn't say how long he would use those guys. But it looks like they are going to see the field for at least a little. While against the raiders. We always give you something to read something to watch and something. You might have missed something to read on this tuesday. If you want a peek into the crystal ball about jimmy garoppolo future goto profootballtalk talk dot com and check out. Mike florio's posts called will trae lance leapfrog. Jimmy garoppolo before week one. I know you might be tired of hearing about that. But just go to the end of the article and check out what floreo says about a possible standoff that could happen between jimmy and the forty niners and there is a way according to mike that the forty niners could end up keeping jimmy garoppolo and saving a lot of cash. Something to watch. Mark scofield's breakdown of trae lance against the chargers for usa. Today he looked at the good and the bad of the game against the chargers and really broke down. Not just what happened but why it happened. It was only a few minutes long but it was a really cool video. And some i really value marks opinion. When it comes to quarterbacks does a lot here with us at espy nation. And i was made me smarter. So i think you should go check it out something. You may have missed. The chargers themselves tweeted out a video of joey. Bosa who happened to be might up during the joint practices with the forty niners last week. And there's actually a lot of good audio in there especially for a guy like joey. Bosa usually doesn't say too much to the media. Some pretty funny stuff in there with kiddle and jimmy g. including you can actually hear when both gets too close to jimmy and apologizes to him during the play. It's pretty cool anyway. That's going to do it for today. Stats and eggs please. Rate review and follow the niners nation. Podcast network drop a rating and review for us to and keep your eyes peeled for another episode of. Oh hey there with leo. Luna and havi are vague. I'm sure they'll have plenty to say on trae lance game number two and what we should expect this week and more i'm rob stats career. We'll talk tomorrow.

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FROM THE SB NATION NFL SHOW: Is Joe Brady the next great play designer?

Cat Scratch Reader

04:27 min | 2 months ago

FROM THE SB NATION NFL SHOW: Is Joe Brady the next great play designer?

"Presented by climate power education fund does big oil care about our streets flooding our home burning not according to an exxon mobil. Top lobbyists did we aggressively bite against some of the science. Yes you know. We were looking out for our shareholders. Take care about profits. Not people learn more at polluters dot exposed subscribe to the sp nation nfl. Show to make sure you don't miss conversations like this one today on nfl university. We're getting caught up around the league. After a full slate of preseason action. there was surprisingly exciting in the first wave of. Nfl cuts came yesterday across. The league is russia's got down to eighty five and later on in the show after the break we'll have a discussion about teams that are afraid to give the keys to their rookie. Quarterback's why it's time to get rid of that thought process all that being set. I'd like to welcome in kyle. Calbos of niners nation as well as justice. Mosquito of packing co. this has nothing to do with what we're talking about. We did talk about sean payton a little bit but when justice said that my mind was like why. Don't we talk about peyton. The way we talk about shanahan mcveigh because as efficient as their offenses are and i'm not gonna take that away from me. Any of them because they do move the ball but they run like six. Plays each where sean payton. You just talk about going three by three. That doesn't happen in a mcveigh. Or shanahan offense. Those type of motions like they just use like jet motions to Leverage defense and high. Low the defense where sean payton is. He dresses it up so much better than that. And i imagine if you were to go around the nfl and ask these guys. Who are you watching more. Is it cost shanahan or is it sean. Payton is it. Sean mcveigh or is it sean. Payton i think the overwhelming answer would be paying. So why is there a disconnect from us compared to what's going on the actual nfl. Yeah definitely. I think that if you're guys who they still place from every monday It's probably payton. In andy reid not even close right. Yeah yeah it's probably those two because the way that that structure i mean. It's not really different than like the high schools that like the highschool wing. Tea stuff. The kyle shanahan and sean mcvay matt leflore style. I mean it's basic but trap right is bug trap and a wagle is just in a different structure. It's how how do we have our inside run. How do we have our outside run. How do we throw off of it. And how do we make it all the same right. I mean that that's really what it is at the end of the day. I mean sean. Payton and andy reader. The guys who they're trying to do very unique things to attack you basically on down the dow basis so i would not be surprised at all if you asked any. Nfl guy and they said it was paid and read. I have a hot day. I think i know the next guy up on that. Actually they're still joe. Brady does a lot of cool stuff The way he's able to get that done Unfortunately he does have a quarterback and that drives a lot of these conversations to matt. Canada with the pittsburgh steelers. The way matt. Canada plays football. It will look unique to the fan. You will see things that you've never seen before. Nfl game just because they're double shifting pre snap. It's insane like he'll send one guy emotion the defense just and then they'll send another guy in motion like legitimately flip it from trips to field trips to the boundary in a matter of two seconds and your safeties have to spend twenty five yards. It's not it's not fun to deal with He's going to deal with some restrictions at the nfl level that he didn't deal with on at the college level just because of eligible ineligible numbers in how you report eligible. But it's fun to watch so far. And i'm really excited to see what he brings to the table this year. Because he's definitely all the film nerds on twitter. Who like wow look at this crazy play. Like they're gonna love matt canada. Yeah you gotta keep an eye out for that candidate. I was legitimately shocked. Joe brady didn't get a head. Coaching job this off season. I thought he was going to be a little bit more demand than he wound up being. But i'm also still shocked eric. The enemy hasn't gotten a a head coaching job. So maybe i'm just bad. You can hear the rest of this conversation by subscribing to the sp nation nfl. Show wherever you get your podcast.

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What's the Deal With Jimmy G?

Greg Bedard Patriots Podcast with Nick Cattles

33:05 min | 7 months ago

What's the Deal With Jimmy G?

"This is dr patriots. Podcast with nick. Kevin smith oh jimmy jimmy. Jimmy is the conversation today. His name is greg bernard i'm neko's pod number fifty nine. Let's get into it greg. We've been talking about jimmy garoppolo for feels like i don't know ever since he left a few years ago and you had said a couple of weeks ago that you know it was like he was he was riding off into the distance and belichick was kind of waving goodbye and and hoping somehow someway he'd be able to see his guy again. We'll here. we are san francisco. Makes the huge trade last friday over the weekend we've had time to absorb it a. What was jimmy. Jeez reaction first of all greg to this deal. It wasn't good. Not only what kyle shanahan said in his press conference yesterday. But i i had heard over the weekend. That jimmy was disappointed that he was not thrilled with what happened. But here's the thing and these things can evolve in. This could have been in the immediate wake of the trade. What i heard was that he was disappointed but he understood. And which me as a person who wants to see the patriots. Get better at the quarterback position. I was disappointed in that that that was his reaction. And i can tell you this nick and this will be an evolving conversation and we'll go on a bunch of different areas on this but go from where the patriots are they. They understand the situation. They understand that san francisco can do whatever they want but really it comes down to. Everybody wants to know what is jimmy. Want it all comes down to that nick in and we could talk about all these things all we want. What are the forty niners one. What are the patriots. Want really comes down to what jimmy wants. If jimmy doesn't react the right way then the patriots might just be like you know. forget it. it's it's it's over the questions that we've had about this kid around him a little bit with his toughness and things like that. This is further evidence of some of that stuff. And maybe we don't want to be involved with a maybe we don't think he was the person in competitor that he was so It's going. I think where the patriots are on whether they want him whether they want to go get him. Put any sort of capital towards getting him. Nick is all predicated on wall house up. How does garoppolo react to this. How does garoppolo and his agent don yee. Tom brady's agent. How do they react to this. And what do they do because they have all the power in this scenario people say well. Jimmy doesn't have any leverage and things like that he does. He's made eighty nine million dollars in his career. He could sit out if he wants to. You know he can look at the situation and we'll talk about similar situations The alex smith's and what have you a but he has the power. He's made eighty nine million dollars. He does not have to make his salary this year. he say. No i'm i you just traded basically our next two years three years worth of high echelon players to get a quarterback. Because you don't believe in me but you want me here to help you win. A super bowl like most people would react. We like screw. You go go guy. And i'm gonna go someplace else right. I know the offense rhino. They're wanted rhino. Hey and you could probably say out the door and who's a better coach and who doesn't choke away super bowls whether it's an off as an offensive coordinator or a head coach. I'm going someplace else. Screw you but we don't know. We don't know what jimmy's gonna do. It's up to jimmy. I had a very smart adviser. One time tell me if you're unhappy where you work. The employer eventually is going to want to get rid of you right like no matter how talented you are if you are unhappy at what you are doing then the employer at some point is going to say okay. Well you're unhappy. We don't want somebody unhappy in the building. We don't want somebody unhappy being the quarterback of this team and trying to lead us on the field on sundays. If you're truly unhappy jimmy. We will do what we have to do to move you to another spot where you will be happy and you have a chance to be the quarterback not just this season but long term. I agree with you if garoppolo is not happy if he walks into that front office if he talks to lynch and shanahan and says i want out. I'm not going to as you put it on twitter a number of times over the past few days. I'm not willing to be the caddy here. I'm going to move on with my career. I think i can be a number one guy. You guys obviously don't agree with that. And i'm not going to sit here and keep the seat warm. I'm going to move on and go somewhere else. If garoppolo demands that san francisco will give in. I mean the financial aspect of this alone is enough to move jimmy. If jimmy walks in and demands it he will be traded. And then. let's not forget greg. He also has a no trade clause so not only could he walk in in demand a trade. He could then direct san francisco so where he wants to go. Which takes the leverage out of san francisco's hands so garoppolo does have the leverage here But at the end of the day you have to look at it and be like all right but what's the truth. What's what's more towards the truth. And what's more towards the truth. Nick to me is this kyle. Shanahan people have to remember. He went six and ten last year. The his only winning season as a head coach is when they went to the super bowl right now. That's the out liar. He has three losing seasons beyond that. If it doesn't come together this year. If he has another losing season he will have four losing seasons in five years. Which was the outlier dan. Quinn we worked with were four and atlanta got fired in the middle of his third losing season so two and a half. Losing seasons shanahan would have four. There are people around the league neck. Who think that that shanahan. If he does not win this year he could be in danger. And what you've seen here is in my opinion. It's kyle shanahan. And john lynch barring from different parts of how do i not get fired. Playbook basically covering their ass with groucho and the sooner the jimmy wakes up to this and realizes what's going on the better it is for him but gets shanahan and lynch want to have it both ways. They wanna be able to say okay. Well we have the veteran guy who we know went to the super bowl. But we really don't i in so we're going to try to hang onto them and but we're going to trade. We don't believe in them. We don't think he's talented enough. We don't think he's going to stay healthy enough so we're going to trade. Three first round picks his replacement. And and we're going to go that route. Which is the playbook is draft a young quarterback and you get a few more years. 'cause you sell the owner on we needed trade up. We need to do this. We need young quarterback blah blah blah. So shanahan's trying to have it both ways. He thinks jimmy gets them at least off to a good start to the young kids ready and then he has the young kid to buy him a few more years. It's just it's just. They're they're going down two different paths and anybody who brings up alex smith the other scenarios. There's the alex smith scenario but there's also scenarios with when they talk about jimmy garoppolo. They're like oh well carson wentz. Everybody was down on carson wentz. Because he didn't want to compete. Everybody was down on there. Was somebody else who didn't want to compete. Who wanted to get traded. Oh well you know. Tom brady didn't do this when jimmy garoppolo Was these are completely. They're all completely different situations which we can get into but the main thing is shanahan trying to cover his ass. Would jimmy and jimmy needs to realize that as soon as that rookie is ready. I don't care what their record. Is that rookies going in. So are you going to just sit there and take that and wait for that to happen because that is you. Don't trade three first round picks to sit on the bench like not. Even the patrick mahomes thing. They only daily traded up one first round. Pick to move up seventeen spots. They traded three to move up ten spots. You don't do that without without knowing that you wanna play that rookie. You know when. I look at this. We can get all wrapped up in the noise. Because there's a lot of noise there's all these reports and as the draft gets closer and closer. We're going to get even more noise thrown at us. Here's how i feel about it. What does common sense tell you. What does logic tell you. Just look at how san francisco has handled garoppolo really from day one so they trade a second round. Pick for him which isn't a ton he comes in they give him the contract however that contract after the first couple of years was the year to year deal they can cut him right now and it's like a million dollars of dead cap space. They didn't give him a contract that handcuff them. They didn't give garoppolo a contract that committed to him in the long term. They were not saying by giving him that contract that he was the answer forever and ever amen. That's not what they did with that deal number one number two the year they get to a super bowl. Because i know when jimmy went there and he won the first six or seven games. He quarterback you can look back at who played. He played a bunch of as dan. Shaughnessy would say tomato cans. He played seniors. That were stinking on the road. You know the best team he played. I think was jacksonville that year but it was on the road. It was all of these things when you look at it and you look inside the numbers. He beat a bunch of cupcakes. Then he walks in as the starter the next year k. What did they do. They had a playoff game where they asked him to throw the football eight times. Does any quarterback who was seen as the guy in a playoff game for the football eight times. Know that tells you that. They were scheming around their quarterback. The reason why they got to the super bowl was not because of garoppolo with all due respect to him it was because they had a great running game. The scheme for shanahan worked in their defensive line was obnoxiously talented in robert. Sala did a great job with the defense. That's what led them to the super bowl. And then you get to the super bowl. And he literally had one of the worst statistical fourth quarters that quarterback has ever had in the biggest game of his career on top of all of that he can't stay healthy any turns the all over a decent amount. So you tell me right. Everybody wants to tell me about why. San francisco is madly in love with jimmy. Jean how they're gonna commit to them this year. I ask you why like on the field. There is no tangible reason the way they've handled this guy from the very beginning after trading for him would tell you that they saw him more as a placeholder than a franchise quarterback. That's what they have seen him as that's what he is. And that's why you trade to future first round picks a third round pick and you swap picks and this year's first round to move up to three to draft a quarterback. It's because you don't believe in the guy and if jimmy garoppolo greg can't figure that out. Then he's the most naive dude that's ever walked this planet or as you said he just doesn't care he's fired. Bay area. late lean back kickback. Put the feet up and just have another season out there. In san fran- yeah nick. I understand the. I understand the stories lines that are out there on. Why san francisco should why shouldn't trade And all the stuff why they keep them and they budgeted for this and i get all that stuff it it. It's not it makes sense. Okay and i get it but at the end of the day this is not. It's not tenable for the season like unless you and we've even heard like who was. It was the eagles or not always the jaguars when they drafted blake bortles in the top. Ten they said we are not gonna play. We're not gonna play him as a rookie. He's going to sit. one happening. Played as a rookie which was probably the worst thing for him. But you know when it comes to this stuff when it comes to the forty niners. And why i think at the end of the day. I think they're going to wise up. I think they are going to trade him at some point is because it's not tenable laghi. You can't and i know there are some issues. I know some of the veterans on the team. Like whether it's kittle or us check or you know whoever on the offense they want jimmy they believe in jimmy and and but at some point in time that rookie from the number three pick is going to be there. He's going to get all the media attention. The everyone is just waiting. It's it's gonna make jimmy uncomfortable. It's gonna make the locker room uncomfortable like e you know. Make a decision if you're shanahan and lynch like and and look i think a lot of this is just posturing and i don't think they're trying to necessarily posture bella check. I think they're just like looking at the situation for a couple of weeks. And i know the patriots aren't in a rush to do anything and but it's just that is not going to be a good situation. If if lynch and shanahan wanna keep their jobs they need to. They need to crapper get off the pot one way or the other. Because you're going to get into a situation in training camp during the season where we're going to get shots of justin field sitting on the sideline waiting for i mean entrust me kyle. Shanahan is a guy who thinks that just about any type of quarterback can run his system. As long as they're tough have a little bit of mobility has some accuracy like they can. It's not complicated. Okay it's not a complicated system. Shanahan makes us system work. And i agree with them. I love his system. I think it's very quarterback friendly so like why. Why wouldn't you go. Get somebody like gardner. Minshew you and draft the quarterback you save twenty four million dollars you pick up a second round pick or say maybe a future first or what have you You know from the patriots. Whatever the compensation ends up being. I just don't understand the need to to be. They could have worked out a deal with bell check beforehand to get all the stuff done I it's just. It's just odd that they're putting on this facade. I don't know why they're hard to get. Maybe bell check hasn't been returning shanahan's phone calls or or what have you will see each other at the alabama pro day This week so that should be interesting but it they just if they think if they really think they can go with jimmy and a this number three pick next year they are completely fooling themselves and it is going to implode through the point where they are last place in the nfc west again and they're both looking for jobs again. Let's talk commonsense. Let's talk business when you look at the deal that was made when you move up and you give up what san francisco gave up to get to three a couple of things. I don't think you're making that kind of earth shattering deal because they gave up a ton. Greg i don't think you're giving up that much to draft a guy that you're going to sit for a full season. I just don't see that happening. I just do not as soon as garoppolo has a bad game. What's going to happen as soon as garoppolo stumbles for a quarter or two people are going to be clamoring for the new shiny toy in the toy store. Secondly these first round picks they're worth their weight in gold. And you know this because of the contracts you get five years on that rookie deal now. Here's the thing we say five years but really you get three years because when you draft somebody at number three it you best damn well know who that player is before may of his fourth year. Why because you have to okay. As fifth year option so san cisco has to make a decision based off of whoever's going to be at number three and we can talk about that in a minute. Whoever is going to go number three to san francisco the forty niners have to make an evaluation and decision on that player after his third year in the league. They have to look at him and say okay. We're either going to give him extension. Which is happening. Not to shawn watson in mahomes. And you know jared goff which was a bad mistake in carson wentz. I would think josh allen will soon get his extension. These these deals these rookie deals usually after the third year. If you're a quarterback who's been good enough you're going to get your extension. You're going to cash in. So that means san francisco has to make up their minds within three years. You think they're going to give up one of those three years to play jimmy g. A guy who they haven't believed in like it just doesn't make any sense as far as number three because i want to get into our other teams a threat against the patriots and inevitably would the patriots. Make this movement. And what would that look like. But i greg. Who do you think it could be. I don't know if avenue intel if not just your guests who you think. San francisco moved up to three to get. Do you think is. There's been a lot of smoke. Chris simms mike lombardi lot of people bringing up mack jones. Do you think it's mag jones at three or do you think they bring in a guy like trae lance who they would have to work with for some time. Yeah it's it's a great question in nick and I don't think it's mac jones. I just i don't. There's not enough upside at three in the draft for. May i mean you probably know what his ceiling is. You think that he can be pretty decent. I mean look if you think. He's tom brady. Then you absolutely draft him. Could he be that i. I guess But to me in terms of the whole i mean trey. Landscape probably has the highest ceiling. You know like you said it could take them longer because he basically didn't play this year. I don't know i think it's i think it's fields. I think that his his mix of athletic ability arm strength You know smarts toughness things like that. I just think he's i. I just think he's for that for that team in that system. I just think the whole package. I could be totally off on this but from the people that i've talked to the scouts i've talked to They really like fields. And i think that. I think he would be a perfect fit for the forty niners could play really early in that scheme all right. So what does this do in your mind to the patriots. Because we've talked about the idea of them possibly moving up to draft a quarterback. I know some people look at this and they say well. The san francisco move hurts to see the patriots because they would have to give up even more than we thought they would have to give up. But then you also look at the miami philadelphia trade greg and you from miami to move from twelve to six. It costs them a future first. So i don't think it's that crazy if you go off of that deal. It's not crazy to think. The patriots could trade fifteen and i next year and get into the top seven or eight but overall do you think that san francisco miami deal makes it less likely even less likely that the patriots are going to move up to draft. The next guy yeah. I didn't think it was likely before. I think it's less now. I think it. I think it is cost prohibitive to me at this point in time and look. There's there's there's the we've talked about it before as a quarterback taxed as a top five tax. It's going from six to twelve is different than going. Thirteen to three and So it depends on how high the patriots would wanna go and who knows. They're going to be a pro days on this week. He coaches are out including we saw bell. Check at miami Of course people are going to completely overreact to bell. check being out there especially at alabama. They're going to be like wow mack jones. Yeah i mean but he was at miami yesterday. So was he looking at quarterback. They're like these are. These are schools with good football players. Yeah that's what they're going to scout good football players In florida later in the week. Yeah i just. I just don't think it's i've always doubted that. I think i think the best thing for the patriots. The best plan for them and i think sort of where they were going in any event was What we've talked about before sort of like a quarterback in the second round late first second round. And i think you do that with Even if you get jimmy. I think the plan i think the plan should be will see whatever happens with cam. I mean where's he going to go sawicki as a job. I mean if somebody else wants to come get him you know he can make a trade him you know and and i'm sure belch bill look if something comes up and you don't want to be here or whatever you know we'll deal with it but look the patriots trade for jimmy. That's that's the ideal cans. The veteran backup. Because who knows you know when cam are went went how how healthy jimmy stays and i still think you draft the young quarterback of the future because you never know with jimmy and maybe you get them back and you see him in that role more like now. He doesn't hack it. He chokes at the games he gets hurt too much. He's always going to be hurt. He's not tough enough. He doesn't play through injuries. Things like that and you just say you know but at least you unless you have a plan going on but walked su. It happens all right. So it's jimmy g. right let's circle back. Let's get to Jimmy and whether or not other teams are interested. You look around the league. Maybe chicago with andy. Dalton might be interested but again. Now you're plan now. You're paying thirty five million dollars for the quarterback position. Chicago's in that in that area to do that. Washington with ryan fitzpatrick would be another team. That could be interested. The denver broncos john elway are other teams a threat. If jimmy g. is officially put on the trade block in. Let's say the patriots are interested are other teams a threat to new england. I think there's a chance. I do think there's a chance that team like new orleans. Even though i don't. I don't think there are serious threat at the end of the day. Not only what. They've invested in the quarterback position but and and people say you know people like fell. Say i'll forget the salary cap. This is really a time when they've they've just their leverage to the hill as far as salary cap. There's really no other moves that they can make to get jimmy at close to his current value under that cap. There's just not i i. I don't think there's any chance. I think as far as like real suitors. That could be involved. I think you have to look at the panthers. Because they're they're so desperate for quarterback and now with these trades they might be on the outside. Looking in for a minute greg is. He is jimmy g. An upgrade over teddy bridgewater. Yes okay better. Yeah i mean and trust me. They're done with teddy there. Y- they've seen enough. They saw nothing about midseason. Okay so and plus you have people in that front office. Who have been in new england. Who know jimmy who were around when they drafted him and things like that. So they have intel there on jimmy graham. I think the carolinas the threat. I think that washington is a threat. But i think at the end of the day when you're when you're don yee and you're the agent you have to look at all these scenarios and yes chicago denver Those teams will come up. But when you're done yeah you have to go to jimmy and you have to look at the situations you could. You have to say. Look you're going to be thirty okay. There you're you're next less engineer this. You're only going to get one shot at this okay. Because the the patriots traded you even though that was different circumstances the forty niners said. You're not good enough and work trading three first round picks to get your successor and now if you go to someplace else and it doesn't work then you're screwed. What's the best situation. Chicago pace inegi are closer to getting fired than they are to win the super bowl like this is this. Is it for them if they don't win. Yup they're gone. They almost just got fired vic. Fangio there's a new g. m. george peyton came in denver. If fangio doesn't win this year he's probably not back next year. The washington is a circus all the time. Now if you're looking for stability in terms of You know a place that's going to give you what you need to grow and also stability at the at the coaching position. You have to look at carolina and matt rule. But that's a place that will always be looking for their franchise guy. I'm sure you know tapper that the the the owner is going to be everybody's ear like jimmy's fine and all but we need to get the guy you know that sort of things but to me at the end of the day for jimmy to be successful. It's no contest that it's coming back to new england. With now they have restocked the roster with bella check with mcdaniels where for six glorious quarters. You let the world on fire. Come back and do that again to me. It's it's no contest. What the best situation is for. Jimmy what is he worth. If you're the patriots. What are you willing to put on that table for. Jimmy g. right now gray question and you also have to look at it from how to san francisco. Save face because they can't. I think it's gotta be what it's gotta be. What new england got in return. It's got to be a second round. Pick it's gotta be somewhere. There may be like a second. And if if san francisco's really being a pain in the ass and you give them like a conditional fifth or what have you. If they're really being difficult. I might flip the bird at him. Tell them to go. Screw and good luck with that scenario that you have working out where you know you're gonna replace jimi where he's eight now. S thing jimmy has to realize that even if he plays great to justify what they did and you also talked about the contract like you. Don't trade that much not to get the full value of the rookie quarterback contract. That's the whole appeal now. Having a twenty five million dollar caddy. That's the whole appeal to the thing. You say we're going to go get the guy we can save money there for five years or what have you and we can build the team around. That's the path to go and they're congrats on them being bold. But you don't get a twenty five million dollars backup and so i think that's all part of the conversation but i think it's i think it's a second round pick maybe another conditional if they're really getting horny and bell check really wants them. You know maybe you go conditional first round pick next year because the patriots figure to be good and they just say all right well fine if he starts sixteen gains. We'll give you a twenty twenty two first round pick like we don't he's going to do that but that's possible that's too rich. My blood i'd be willing to give them the compensatory pick in the third round. Maybe you could talk me into making that a conditional second depending on if he plays you know fourteen fifteen sixteen games. Maybe i slide it up to a second. But i mean listen. We know what he was last time when he was dealt right. Everybody was buying into the hype. Everybody was talking about tom. Brady's pupil and you know he learned under the tree of bella. Check and see the six quarters that he played that you mention well now we know we have a lot of film on him and i am not the biggest jimmy guy in the world. I'm really not i. I think he's average. And i might. Even argue is average at best now with the new england system and stuff. Maybe they coach them up. Maybe he's better from what i've seen in san francisco. He turns the football over too much. He's not very good at reading linebackers in the middle of the field which is kind of interesting. If you're gonna try to attack the middle of the field like the patriots. Look like they're going to. He's been injured constantly. He can't stay on the field and when he's been put in a big moment he has either been not asked to be the guy or he's failed so i think i'm drawing the line at a compensatory third if he plays fifteen sixteen games that can slide up to a conditional second in two thousand twenty. Two i'm just. I'm not going to give too much for jimmy g. I i think people are more in love with the name than the player. Let's get to the Bostonsportsjournal dot com member. Question of the day. Check them out. Yeah i try to check him out over. Fps j. for eleven cents a day their annual plan. Not only do you get topnotch analysis of all the boss of pro sports. You're patriots junkie. Obviously you are a membership. Bsa gives you access to a ton of video analysis. But dr dozen the coaches film and direct access to him and weekly chats. Here is the question today. Greg and there's a little bit of a preamble hair before i've confused. How steve ballot check in mayo or losers. From this spending spree you just gave them a boatload of talent right now. They must be like kids in a candy store putting this defensive talent to use their only losers if they suck at putting it together. Are you suggesting greg. That past defensive coordinators have been able to cobble together. Great defenses with less talent than they've had the last couple of years a little bit and what he's referring to is i did Part of my columnists can was. I did winners and losers from the patriots spending spree and i put steep l. Check and gerard mayo as the losers because or one of the losers because they're completely on the spot now like they basically got. They basically got the skate. So twenty after two thousand eighteen season. They win the super bowl. Brian floors leafs. It's bell check in mayo. Basically combining to be defensive coordinator and in two thousand nineteen for about what twelve games of the season. They were black the greatest defense in patriots history and then they completely crap the bed down the stretch including they got run off their own field in the finale against ryan patrick in the five and eleven dolphins that cost the patriots. A first round bye in the playoffs. So that happened. Nobody really said anything was the first year what have you. The offense wasn't good all that stuff then last year the the defense was slipped even more and we understand like the front seven due to opt-outs injuries youth. What have you didn't work out so there wasn't a whole lot of pressure. Put more pressure on the secondary. We get it. But you know the defensive coordinators didn't exactly make chicken salad out of chicken bleep. You know last year right so now my point is now. They had all these guys. I mean. they completely reconstructed the front seven. I mean they have a whole new defensive line with lawrence guy they have kyle fan noise back. They have matthew jude on. They have you know they should be able to move their safeties wherever they want they have kyle duggar and year two. They have adrian phillips in year. Two they have a right now. They have gilmore still on the roster. There's no excuse why this deep end should not be great this year. And so that's my point. My point is they those coaches to in my mind have not proven anything. I think they're on the spot. I don't i don't think they're going to. I don't think this defense is gonna be as good as people think it is. And i think that the coaches are going to get a lot of pressure. So you have it mayo. Steve bella check in the crosshairs. Were waiting jimmy g. Let's see if it happens or not. This is the story that will never die. he's greg. I'm nick cattles. It's the greg bernard patriots. Podcast subscribe rate and review. That's how we continue to do this. Podcast Tell your friends and family about it back next time talk more about the pats and whatever else happens in the nfl until then good be safe and be held.

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FROM THE SB NATION NFL SHOW: Is Matt Canada the next revolutionary play designer?

Behind the Steel Curtain

04:27 min | 2 months ago

FROM THE SB NATION NFL SHOW: Is Matt Canada the next revolutionary play designer?

"Presented by climate power education fund does big oil care about our streets flooding our home burning not according to an exxon mobil. Top lobbyists did we aggressively bite against some of the science. Yes you know. We were looking out for our shareholders. Take care about profits. Not people learn more at polluters dot exposed subscribe to the sp nation nfl. Show to make sure you don't miss conversations like this one today on nfl university. We're getting caught up around the league. After a full slate of preseason action. there was surprisingly exciting in the first wave of. Nfl cuts came yesterday across. The league is russia's got down to eighty five and later on in the show after the break we'll have a discussion about teams that are afraid to give the keys to their rookie. Quarterback's why it's time to get rid of that thought process all that being set. I'd like to welcome in kyle. Eve niners nation as well as justice. Mosquito of packing. Co. this has nothing to do with what we're talking about. We did talk about sean payton a little bit but when just said that my mind was like why. Don't we talk about peyton the way we talk about shanahan mcveigh because as efficient as their offenses are and i'm not going to take that away from me. Any of them because they do move the ball but they run like six. Plays each where sean payton you just talk about going three by three. That doesn't happen in a mcveigh. Or shanahan offense. Those type of motions like they just use like jet motions to Leverage defense and high. Low the defense where sean payton is. He dresses it up so much better than that. And i imagine if you were to go around the nfl and ask these guys. Who are you watching more. Is it cost shanahan or is it sean. Payton is it. Sean mcveigh or is it sean. Payton i think the overwhelming answer would be paying. So why is there a disconnect from us compared to what's going on the actual nfl. Yeah definitely. I think that if you're guys who they still place from every monday It's probably payton. In andy reid not even close right. Yeah yeah it's probably those two because the way that that structure i mean. It's not really different than like the high schools that like the highschool wing. Tea stuff. The kyle shanahan and sean mcvay matt leflore style. I mean it's basic but trap right is bug trap and a wagle is just in a different structure. It's how how do we have our inside run. How do we have our outside run. How do we throw off of it. And how do we make it all the same right. I mean that that's really what it is at the end of the day. I mean sean. Payton and any reader the guys who they're trying to do very unique things to attack you basically on down the dow basis so i. I would not be surprised at all if you ask any. Nfl guy and they they said it was peyton read. I have a hot day. I think i know the next guy up on that. Actually there's still joe. Brady does a lot of cool stuff The way he's able to get that done Unfortunately he does have a quarterback and that drives a lot of these conversations to matt. Canada with the pittsburgh steelers. The way matt. Canada plays football. It will look unique to the fan. You will see things that you've never seen before. Nfl game just because they're double shifting pre snap. It's insane like he'll send one guy emotion the defense just and then they'll send another guy in motion like legitimately flip it from trips to field trips to the boundary in a matter of two seconds and your safeties have to spend twenty five yards. It's not it's not fun to deal with He's going to deal with some restrictions at the nfl level that he didn't deal with on at the college level just because of eligible ineligible numbers in how you report eligible. But it's fun to watch so far. And i'm really excited to see what he brings to the table this year. Because he's definitely all the film nerds on twitter. Who like wow look at this crazy play. Like they're gonna love matt canada. Yeah you gotta keep an eye out for matt canada. I was legitimately shocked. Joe brady didn't get a head. Coaching job this off season. I thought he was going to be a little bit more demand than he wound up being. But i'm also still shocked eric. Enemy hasn't gotten a head coaching job. So maybe i'm just bad. You can hear the rest of this conversation by subscribing to the sp nation nfl. Show wherever you get your podcast.

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Stats & Eggs, 7/28: Lynch address Lance contract + No QB controversy?

Niners Nation

09:51 min | 3 months ago

Stats & Eggs, 7/28: Lynch address Lance contract + No QB controversy?

"Support for this episode comes from forward. Most people go to the doctor for the one offs like rashes and colds. And your annual flu shot but doctors can do more. That's why you need forward. Their doctors go beyond every day care in an effort to catch top killers like cancer and heart disease early. They use advanced technology to help you reduce risks and achieve long-term results so invest in a doctor. That's invested in you and your long term health at go forward dot com. That's go forward dot com. Good morning i am rob stats carreira. Today is wednesday. July twenty eighth twenty twenty one. It is so good to be back. Training camp is underway so for the first time in the twenty twenty one season. Let me say. Here's what's happening with your san francisco. Forty niners we begin with john lynch and kyle shanahan both of whom spoke on tuesday for the first time and not surprisingly one of the first questions they faced was. When is first round quarterback. Trae lance going to sign his contract. Here's john lynch. Were sure hopeful that that he does You know sometimes these things. I just look at our history. Since we've been here we've never had a hold out. It's it's always seems to go down to the wire and You know. I am copy. It's important that he is here. You know. I think for any rookie for every player. Every rep counts. Every meeting counts But in particular at that position so so we're hopeful and Expecting that at trae will be here and certainly know the importance of him being here. Then why isn't he here john. There's not a lot to hammer out with these first round contracts. Don't get cute. don't try to over. Think the room parague. Maybe just needs the tone it down a little bit. And let's get this deal done if trae lance wants any chance to start this year. He has to be in day one of camp to get all the potential reps. He can get obviously quarterback talked dominated. The press conference dominated the conversation as it will throughout this training camp until a starter is named kyle. Shanahan was asked about it yesterday and he gave an answer that a lot of members of the forty niners press corps are not being totally truthful about their tweeting out. One specific part of the answer that makes it seem. Like kyle shanahan said. There's no quarterback competition when in reality that is not what he said. Now you don't have to take my word for it. We have the audio from the press conference. I will play for you. The full answer of kyle shanahan and the follow up question and you can decide for yourself. What shanahan said i mean. I just treated like i would any other situation. I mean jimmy's are going through. T. as what he's done means our best quarterback in the building right now so he'll start out training camp that way and We got three other guys behind him. Now we're going to give you the first chance obviously as the backup and Anytime guys playing a lot better than the guy in front of them is when you start to split reps up with that team and start to talk about it but You know trace at seven practices with us and Haven't seen him for forty days so Not thinking about that right now. Does having jimmy go. He's our starter and you're gonna give all those guys every opportunity to improve and on if that someone ever looks like give us a better chance to win. we'll make that decision. That is the starter starter. Raps the other guys yes. Yeah there's no open competition right in terms of their getting equal reps with the same group. jimmy's coming. The lawn jimmy and trays coming in to see you could interpret that any way you want. But when i hear the head coach say the jimmy. Garoppolo is the starting quarterback right now and i hear the head. Coach say that trae. Lance has only had seven practices with the team that is not strong statement of support for jimmy garoppolo. What kyle shanahan is saying to me is. Yeah jimmy's gonna get the rep the first reps with the ones right now. And we'll see what happens and trae. Lance starts to play better than him. Then he'll get the first reps with the ones going forward so for all these forty niners beat writers who keep tweeting out. There's no quarterback competition. There's no quarterback competition. You just heard it. That is not what kyle shanahan said. So look you can follow the niners nation podcast network. We will play for you. What gets said and you could interpret it for yourself but if you're just relying on the forty niners beak is i promise you you are not getting the full story couple of other news items for you. A manual moseley was placed on the reserve. Cova nineteen list although before you get nervous. John lynch did say in his press conference at the forty niners are about ninety percent vaccinated so hopefully that is not going to be an issue. For this team going forward we also got a couple of injury. Updates jakubowski tart could start the season on the physically unable to perform list but that will be determined by whether or not he passes a physical also tar various more. We thought he was going to be out for the year. But john lynch said there's a chance that he could return toward the end of the season and they don't think they have to add them to injured reserve just yet when it comes to a couple other injured players in d. ford and jalen hurd kyle shanahan said. He expects both of them to pass physicals. Which would mean. They won't start the season on the pup list and could practice right away but shanahan did say that going to be eased back into things they won't be in team drills. The first week in are going to be slowly brought along to prevent any injuries from happening again. We always give you something to read something to watch and something. You might have missed something to read on this wednesday. If you're thirsty for some more trae lance content. Rich madrid did a great breakdown on niners nation dot com with specific film clips of lance running plays. That are in the forty niners playbook when he was at north dakota state. If you're dying to see what might look like. Check it out very educational and remember. You should go to niners nation dot com multiple times a day now for all the latest forty niners news because it is going to be coming in fast and furious now the camp is underway. Something to watch john lynch glossed over it. I played the audio for you. But until trae lances signed that is the single biggest thing to keep your eye on in forty niners land. He's not signed number two overall pick. Wilson is not signed for the jets. They are wrapped by the same agencies. So the potential hangups could be the same there. So maybe if wilson signs we could see a lance deal soon after but that is the biggest thing right now. Do not exhale until you see the news trae lance signs rookie deal with the forty niners. Something you may have missed. George kittle also gave his first press conference of the year yesterday and talked a lot about tight end you and his off season and things. He's working on but before he left the podium. He gave a quick health. Update on nick. Bosa love nikki He's incredible he looks great I told him blocks or live for stays back so he better be ready for those cow. Didn't like that joke. But it is what it is and he's going to be just fine. He's going to play a very high level. I have zero. Worries about nick bosa. He's incredible ballplayer that trains at a very very high level. I've got no worries about what he's going to do this year and i just leave it to the imagination but he's going to be helpful ballplayer going man. I miss george kitto. That's gonna do it for this edition of stats and eggs. If you haven't done it yet please take an extra second smash that follow button. Click that subscribe button. You don't want to miss a single episode here on the niners nation podcast network. You will get our daily show five days a week with the latest news and the team you will get a long form show from a variety of different hosts whether it's me levin black kyle posey akash on a thin leo luna havi vega who we just brought on board trust me. We have something you are going to like. You don't want to miss it. enjoy your day. Everybody i'm rob stats carreira. And we'll talk tomorrow. Support for this episode comes from forward. Most people go to the doctor for the one offs like rashes and colds. And your annual flu shot but doctors can do more. 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Gold Diggers: Fantasy Preview & Bets Bets vs. Eagles

Niners Nation

47:32 min | Last month

Gold Diggers: Fantasy Preview & Bets Bets vs. Eagles

"If you're not diving into daily fantasy right now you're missing out on a ton of fun extra excitement and if you're lucky cash one in get price. Picks it's like daily fantasy without the hassle and confusing red tape. Here's how it works. Pick at least two players in games that day. They don't even have to be playing the same sport. All you have to do is take a look at their projected stats and select the over or under in one statistical category. It's easy fast. Payouts are simple and seamless. Download the app today and use the promo code niners to receive a one hundred percent. Instant deposit match up to one hundred dollars is good everybody. Welcome to another gold diggers podcast. I am rob stats. Carreira she is michelle maggio from. Nfl network. what's up michelle. hi there. We survived this terrible thursday night game It wasn't so bad. I mean it was pretty bad watching daniel jones taylor heineke out there. Just i mean heineke just throws up the little like floater balls and luckily maclaurin is so good that he's going to catch them But besides that it was. It was pretty brutal. Daniel jones is just the most inconsistent quarterback. I think in the nfl like one second. He'll make a beautiful looking play. And then the next twelve plays or disgusting. You know it's funny. I really was like singing. The praises of the washington defense before the year started and so far through two weeks. I've been like maybe they're not quite as good as we thought. Maybe the niners do have a top. Three defense in the nfc. Well we'll get into that as well but washington definitely i was. I was shocked by them. Because you know justin herber tore them up not so much scoring but he was able to do kind of whatever you wanted like until they got to the red zone but that was just a number so i was like. Maybe he's just that good. But when you see daniel jones able to move the ball against them then it's like okay. Maybe their defense is not at all dominant. Like we thought it would be if you are new to the show. Which is our fantasy slash gambling preview that we do every friday. If you haven't subscribed please do so to the niners nation podcast network leave us a rating and review. We really do appreciate it. There's a lot to get to michelle. We've got the whole brandon. I you saga which. I have been on all week long. I have been basically like yelling. At kyle shanahan and yelling at the forty niners press corps for what i feel like. It's like not asking obvious questions. We've got yet another major injury for the forty niners as dray. Greenlaw goes down. That defenses is really taken some hits early and of course we've got our prop bets and our nuke block as well. I censor a little fired up about this brandon. I thing though so we can start there. Yeah i mean. Come on cal. Shanahan is making me so mad because this is what he does the players they get an injury and all of a sudden. They go to his doghouse in it. It's like impossible to get out and he's so stubborn and then may i brought it up to you. Maybe this is why the forty niners see so many like serious injuries because they rush back because kyle sheehan can't handle them missing anytime and he threatens them with losing their job and so they rush back and they have then they get a serious injury that takes them out for the entire year. Come on out of here. I know. Trent sherfield look good in the free season. He's made some good place but to receptions for twenty three yards. You're telling me brandon. You can't go out there and do that. Yes he can like cool. He got the touchdown. It wasn't that hard Anybody could on that touchdown. Yeah exactly brandon out. There would've gotten that same exact touchdown. I'm not impressed. And brandon is a star in this league. I think and if house shanahan really ruins him. I'm going to be very angry watching this team all year. That's the weird thing it's like. He went out of his way to punish brandon. You cannot get him a target. We know kyle can scheme things open for guys. He does it constantly yet and then call them out in the media like you could have just said he's dealing with an injury. He'll be back like once he's fully healthy. We'll get them out there more. That's what i said on yesterday's show. That was my biggest problem. With this whole thing kyle could have gone either direction would have been fine. He could have said look. We think sherefield has outplayed. Okay that happens. Maybe that was the thing you know. There were some drops from. I had heard that he kind of took his foot off the gas at the end of training camp. Maybe that's true or shanahan could've gone the other direction and said the. He had a setback with the injury. He's not quite right but he didn't do that either instead. He said well. Trent kinda passed them out but also a hamstring injury. But also we're going to throw them back there to return punts like none of it makes any sense. He had two options there and he took neither one. Yeah exactly and if he was really injured then why was he back there returning punts like i felt like this whole thing was weird and an office coordinator came out to say like oh. He's a full goal of this week but he wasn't last week so you know he'll he'll be fine which i do think he'll he'll be fine like i'm still going to plug them into my fantasy lineups but that was brutal having them in last week i mean zero points from a guy that you're expecting to do very well. Hopefully he will get some targets in this game. I mean brandon. I held his own last year. When george kitto and samuel both how he was able to be all the top coverage Defense is really haven't just focus on him. You can't tell me that guy who your number one last year who put up fantastic performances as a rookie. It's just all of a sudden and not even worth targeting that's silly so you're not buying the trend. Sheffield is better align from kyle. No not at all. He's not better at him in anything ever how they're paying pong game stack up or anything like that. But here's the interesting thing you know as i was searching for props for this game there are no brandon props that you can bet on receptions yards touchdowns. Nobody knows what they're going to do with this guy because he could come out and and kill it. Now we'll get into this way more it's like are the is the eagles defense. Actually good like is their secondary. Actually good. or the falcons just fall apart. You know this whole team could have issues against the defense. We don't know yet either. And i think that's a whole other question like there's so many question marks around back brennan. He is out there. More is the coverage. Good what we'll have to see. But i'm willing to bet if they do a uk's numbers out there and you know that like fifty receiving yards. I would take that that bed. I think the i shall. I shall gross last week. What was i saying like. Oh the the over under for catches for him for the game was three and a half and i was screaming. Like how could he not have four catches in the. He didn't even have a target so that he might. How does vegas no these things. They don't have all those casinos and fountains up there because they get it wrong. Logan thomas whatever it was his over and under was perfectly spot on. I think it was forty five and a half and got forty five. I'm like oh how so creepy. It is freaky. How like it's like. They're so good at they. Don't just get it right. They get it right down to the half yard. Teach me your ways. I wanna know how yes exactly always guessed correctly. So let's just look at the game as a whole before we get into some individual player stuff. Niners are favored by three and the over under for the game is forty nine. Which i feel like it's kind of law. I was surprised. You think it's high. We just went totally different. Yeah i think this will be a low scoring game. Or i don't know i guess forty nine sfeir. I could see it being like a twenty one to sixteen game. I think both of these defenses will keep the other offense in check. And i do think there'll be some you know some touchdowns i don't know i think forty nine fair but i might take the under there. Never feel comfortable betting the under like i dunno like unders. Yeah something about it like every time they score. I got a bad feeling. I want to be happy when touchdown scored. I'm worried that jalen hurts is just going to run around. Do whatever the hell he wants out there. The forty niners defense has not been good against mobile quarterbacks. Now i know it's a new defensive coordinator so i'm interested to see what d'amico ryan's does but we saw jalen hurts run around against atlanta. He runs where he scrambles when he needs to. He looks to extend place to throw i. I think he's getting comfortable in that offense and i. I'm worried that the eagles are going to be able to move the ball. Offensively where i think. The niners have the advantages. I think the niners offense is really going to be going to be strongest. When i hire on the forty niners off. It's now than i was even at the beginning of the year. I think they could have a top. Three offense in the league. Jimmy garoppolo did saying he looked good. Sixty completion percentage three hundred fourteen yards a big Those came obviously on devaux samuels. Big tasks are big reception. Which is kind of like a broken down. Play but devaux can do that right. He's so good. After the catch gravel average twelve point six yards per attempt. Most in the. Nfl this is exactly what he does because he averaged the most nfl week. One but only had one deep attempt all game and it was that dido samuel pass and he was one of two starting quarterbacks to only have one deep everyone else had two or more and actually the other guy was jalen hurts so this is exactly what jimmy garoppolo does like he. He's super efficient because of his playmakers around him make make him better but he. He did what he needed to do it. He looked good. After that fumble. I snap of the year. I i was screaming obscenities. I can't imagine you know against jimmy garoppolo and your turns over the ball to and then the first play of the game. I was like stats the flipping out. I absolutely was like. I said that's what they couldn't do right. Because really is the only way they lose the game if they do a bunch of stupid things and the very first play. Oh goodness it starting but they got it together you know. They didn't let that ruin them and ended up being just fine and he got bailed out because the defense stopped them and they missed the field goal and it didn't come back to haunt him like that's a factor in these things to if they go and score touchdown the forty niners or down like it all it all works together but luckily it worked out for the forty niners Just overall question for you for fantasy. How much do you factor in. What happened last week right like we didn't have any information. We were all speculating coming into this week. Now we have a week's worth of information. Do you factor that in a lot going forward or are you kind of like well. I'm sticking with my initial thought. I have more data. Yeah so it depends. So if i love the guy in the offseason and he killed it like jalen hurts. I'm going to take into consideration. If i really like the guy kinda struggled like aaron rodgers. I'm not worried about his week one. He's come out in week. Two against the lions. And i think he could be one of the best quarterbacks on the week and fantasy like so. I'm not going to last week. One determined me that way jimmy. Garoppolo had a good game in week. One was okay for fantasy. You know lance stole one of his touchdowns. But i don't wanna stardom in this game like the. The appeal was going against the lions. A mess amy. Garoppolo can't have a good game but you just don't have to start him. You have to have other options so and trae lance. I love what they're doing with him bringing him in near the goal line and letting him doing his saying. Hey we're thirty eight. What they're doing with him when he just comes in like from the in between the twenty like just rush does nothing that stupid. But i love him coming in once they get near the goal line and then defenses are like okay he could run or throw and then it becomes more confusing. And you see an easy touchdown to sheffield in that way. And that's what's going to happen so i think that's even hurts jimmy garoppolo more but now i don't take week one into consideration too hard. I still stick with my off-season thoughts there Unless your name's zack moss and he came and be active than you know. I gotta move on so everybody likes to think that they have a system writer. I figured something out. I figured out some advantage this was what popped into my head about jimmy garoppolo. I wonder if you can make money. Fading jimmy garoppolo because one kyle shanahan loves to run the ball in the red zone and to trae lance like i look right now. Jimmy garoppolo over under for touchdowns is one and a half in this game this week. I almost wonder if you just consistently take the under on jimmy touchdowns between lance action and running the ball. Like how many is jimmy really going to get. Yeah matt ryan. He had zero touchdowns last week. This is what's so hard about predicting. What the forty niners are going to do. Because as much as i am hating shanahan on today's podcast he has very smart. And it doesn't really matter the defense he's going against he's going to get guys open so in one of those guys just has to break free and do their thing after the catch which we know depots amazing at that kills. Amazing at it ran. I is also good at it if you just gets a chance. And then there are. The running game just doesn't matter it doesn't matter who there's going who they're going. Who's novak field. They're just going to be great. We have to get through. he moster. what in the world is wrong with the forty niners but Yeah i'm fine taking the under on jimmy garoppolo to like one and a half passing touchdowns. He said yeah. Regime most waited all off. Season comeback healthy played four snaps. This year carries for twenty yards. Like he was already tasks game. Oh yeah i'm confused. Because on his second carry it looked like he jumped up excited and was gonna like excited that he got another tenure gain in then is that when he got. When did he get hurt. I'm not sure and that Kyle posey actually asked me the same thing. He's like i. We watched the game and i. I don't see anything. I don't know i have no idea. I don't know if it's the kind of thing where you know. He didn't feel it right away. I've never heard of that injury to a cartilage chip. I didn't even know you could chip off a piece of your cartilage. But i also only rookie moster right. I also didn't notice the greenlaw. They said john lynch said on kamiar that he aggravated the injury on his pick. Six and he. I mean he gives no sign. Looks like he's happy as hell after that thing. But i don't know i mean you know these guys are good at. They have had so many injuries. Now that they're good at hiding it. What is going on because just in that game then you three massive injuries and giovan can laws also dealing with injuries and eric garner said andy like so many injuries. You lost your top corner jason brett. It was one game and it was a game that you kind of like blowing them out as well so it wasn't even like that tough of one. I need to know what is going on in the forty niners facility because other teams don't have these issues year after year after year after year. Think about this. it's week two right and the forty niners are going into this game. Probably down both starting corners a starting linebacker. You're starting defensive. Tackle in von. Kim law is probably not going to be there. You're starting running. Back is probably not going to be there. It's week to what the house going on and you're right by the way it is not just a one year issue in fact if you go back and look under the kyle shanahan leadership the regime. There were the most injured team in the league. Last year sixth most injured in two thousand nineteen fourth most injured in two thousand eighteen and tenth most injured in two thousand seventeen so it is not just a one year thing. They fired the training staff. They had hired a new training. Step i don't know what it is but it's so frustrating is it kyle shanahan not allowing them time to fully recovered. I don't know in our index. Injuries are supposed to be kind of fluky. Like that's just the nature of the thing and when you change your training staff and you change some of the players caution and remains one of the constants there. I think at some point you have to at least look at that as a possibility because if everything else is changing and he's the only thing that stays the same like what else can you pin it up and so remastered scon- for the year which is a big deal but at the same time looked great now it was against the lions defense who they were one of the worst against the run last year and i would imagine they will be a gun. They didn't really change anything up but he looked really good. He's only two hundred pounds. I don't know if he's going to be able to carry the workload. I know regime. Oester was small too but we saw him get hurt. Every five seconds trae sermon was an active. Obviously we would believe he'd be active this week. Right who do you think. It's the bulk of the carries mitchell nineteen carries. That's that's a lot he did. He did his thing. Who gets the bulk of the carries this week. I don't think there's going to be one guy that gets. I think he's gonna split evenly. Actually between three between trae sermon. Elisha mitchell and michael. Hasty they gave up to jemima hasty. I think that i would say probably ten carries for each one of those guys is what i would expect Hey he's the only had one carry last week and it was a touchdown. Yeah yeah that's why he does right. They you cannot depend on any single guy getting the touchdown because sometimes jeff wilson come in last year and still touchdowns away from most hurt. And then you have lance now that come in and still going to be hard to trust any of these guys fantasy alive. Mitchell was everyone's favorite pickup this week fantasy because of how good he looked which is totally fair. I think it's going to be a bit hard to trust any of them and like they're not used in the passing game that's makes it extra hard. So they need to get that touchdown. Bright going to be rescued. Starting any of them. Here's the other problem too. And this could end up being a factor and who gets more carries with remo. Stir gone all the running backs a pretty inexperienced and one that really shows up is in pass protection and if you go back and look drew michael hasty whiffed on three pass protection attempts including the one at the end of the game where depot caught the ball and fumbled. He whiffs and jimmy. Garoppolo makes a great play to avoid the russian. Keep the play alive ally. Mitchell also whiffed on a couple like they may start to give the carries to just the person that can actually chip some of these blockers because they need to be able to rely on that. And they don't have that guy on the roster right now my co host on the gold standard podcast said maybe they just keep call us. Check back there as a pass blocker because he seems to be the one they can do it. Yeah we'll see if trace urban can he's clearly the biggest back in that they have. Hopefully he can keep off some of those defenders. I don't think he was asked to do it. All that much in ohio state. So he's going to be you know inexperience as well. I think they should give the shot to trace sermon to be the lead back but with mitchell definitely brings the speed that they need in this offense that they're used to working most kind of switch them in and out that way. Because you gotta keep these guys healthy if one more of these players go down then you're looking at. You're going to be looking at what the ravens are doing right. Now bringing a freeman or eleven. L like you don't want to be in that situation and the niners just picked up trenton cannon who was on the ravens which is unbelievable. Like you need to running back and you're going to baltimore like i don't know if that's the smartest decision he could even make it on baltimore. It's probably not probably not gonna work out right but you know. Look what the forty niners did in two thousand nineteen he most didn't start a single game in two thousand nineteen still a massively important player made a huge contribution. Maybe that's with the forty niners do with elisha mitchell. You know. let sermon star. He can take some of the carries. Then mitchell can come in is the kind of change of pace guy who supposedly lightning fast and do is damage that way all right. Let's take a break when we come back. We'll get into some more of the individual player props ambuhl do our nuke block of the week before we go after the break. Today we're talking about price. Picks which is the hot new thing in the world of daily fantasy and to be honest. It's not hard to see why people are getting all the way into this. Let me tell you how it works. You pick anywhere between two and five players and take the over or the under on some specifics that projection for the day. 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I love props why i feel like i have a better chance of getting one tiny individual properties than something like the spread the overall over under for the game. Which i know is totally ridiculous. 'cause i clearly don't but for some reason in my head it makes sense. Oh yeah. I'm all about the player props. I think like the most obvious ones on the have this in the bank and then you know it doesn't hit. It seems so obvious. How did it not hit. Vegas knows so the first guy i want to focus on his deebo samuel who. I thought looked fantastic and week. One leah luna had the stat of the week. I felt like when he pointed out that deebo. I believe had six five or six targets of ten or more yards down the field last week. He only had eight of those targets all of last season. So i like the fact that they're trying to maybe used him as more of a traditional wide receiver as opposed to just like a guy that they run jets sweeps within reverses with and stuff like that the over-under for yards on the game for fifty eight. And a half where you're going that's low. But they the falcons did keep covering relate only fifty one which i would seek release a better overall beagles cascal yet. The eagles did sorry And then also we. This is the big thing of this. The lions defense is the worst. They were worst last year. Depot is being covered by jeff okuda for most game before he got injured. He was the worst corner in the entire. Nfl last year according to pf with their coverage greats so and divas a fantastic wide receiver. So he's going to be the guy out like that who's just terrible and coverage. And that's what he beat out a okuda there to get his long touchdown I do think i involved. My goodness i don't know that's a hard line i might there. I think they scheme him touches any so good after the catch. I'm still going to take the over there. But i don't think i i see more closer to eighty yards than i do him getting anywhere close to what he did lash last week. So let me ask you this. What do you feel better about the over under on yards being fifty eight and a half or the over under on catches at five and a half. I feel better about the catches. I think they'll get him like. I said they're going to get them involved. They're going to scheme touches. I just don't know what that will turn into. The i think is fascinating to me. Because you're right. If i you can big game you're probably not going to get two big games from the niners wide receivers. Usually it's kind of like one one or the other deebo said going into the season that he felt the best he has felt since he's gotten to the nfl including his rookie year. He's sure look like it in week once. I hope it they keep it going. Because he's he's just fun to watch they get the ball and it's like look out he will just absolutely dominate you. How he's one of the most fun wide receivers watch he's tough. He's not going to let anyone bring him down without putting up a fight. He's a fun guy to watch. I'll i have to see what he can do against. You know not the worst corner in the nfl. That's fair. george. Kitto over under on yard. Sixty eight and a half. I actually thought they got the ball to kill a little more and week. One did you see. I don't know if you saw the still photo it's fantastic. He catches the ball against the lions. And he's trying to break a tackle and it looks like a stiff arm. But when you actually look at the picture george. Kiddo has a fist so it's punch and just punching people out there on the field as he runs down like the eagles linebackers are terrible. They should absolutely use your kindle to capitalize on that he to me should have between eighty one hundred. So i if they don't if he doesn't hit the over. I'll be frustrated. Yeah i'm taking over there. I mean his average is the over. He gets like seventy five receiving yards. a game. got close to that last week. I or actually yeah. He got over that seventy receiving yards. I am taking the over there. I'll never bet against my dad. George biddle you know these two good for the forty niners that those are the biggest ones. Those are the most interesting ones to me. Kill deebo the. I accept board so we can't really no let's flip it over and go to the other side. 'cause we talked about the forty niners defense. How so banged up in this one. They're down a lot of guys. The jalen hurts passing. Or actually we'll start with the rushing yardage for this game jalen hurts rushing yardage for the game is forty eight and a half yards to me if the eagles are going to have any shout to win. He's got to go over that like he needs to use his legs a lot. Because i feel like bosa and ford are going to rush in. Get up the field so fast there's going to be rush lanes for for jalen hurts to me. I don't see any way he doesn't go at least fifty rushing yards. Yeah i think he'll definitely get that. But i don't think that's the only way he can win. I don't think you're i think you're discounting. He's a good passer right. And i said that coming into the season it was a terrible situation for him last year. Now i i don't know if the forty niners will be other great pressure on him. That thirty quarterback pressure percent last week for the forty niners middle of the league but they did blitz nine times which is quite a lot compared to everyone else. You know. They had eighteen quarterback pressures like to compare the steelers only twice and they also had eighteen quarterback pressures. So you have so many injuries right now on the defense on that defensive line i think they might struggle because the equal the eagles offense align is really really really good and you can't blitz. Jalen hurts too much because like you said he's gonna take off now. I did think that said way more opportunities to run last week. And he didn't take them and he still has over. Forty eight rushing yards. So i'd take the over there. But i think this is going to be really really hard matchup for the eagles who are struggling and for the forty niners who are struggling in their secondary right now. Bosa actually said ya on thursday that His scouting report on jalen hurts is that he's not looking to run like he uses his legs to extend the play but he's still looking downfield as opposed to kyle murray who we said always wants to take off and run so that'll be an interesting factor too. I think hurts will have options either way. I think that the niners secondary's beat up right. Now and davante smith and jane rigor are going to be able to get away especially you know if if hurts can create a little extra time for them but if hurts wants to run as well i think he's going to have options. I think of all the props. The over the forty eight and a half rushing yards to me. I think that's the one. I'm most comfortable with. What do they have. Devante smith at for receiving yards. Because i i think this matchup is very interesting. And you know the rookie lenore. He held his own last week. And he's look good in the preseason now he was covering guys like trinity benson guy that we'd never heard of in life so this will be a much harder matchup and it'll tell us for rail this dude for real ferrall. I'm excited to see this matchup. Where does vegas have smith at for receiving yards. They have them at forty nine and a half woo so loaded me. It does but you know. They know they know what they're talking about right. So they're giving a lot of credit to the forty niners secondary even with all the injuries He had seventy one last week and he wasn't utilized all that much. And they you know they were leading by quite a lot into the fourth quarter. So they weren't passing. I would take the over on that. It's all over right or going over over over over so hey you don't make the line. We only make the call. The thing about smith is like they're going to get him touches either on screens or drop passes like we saw last week they. They're finding ways to get him the ball in space and so he's going to have a lot of opportunities in this game. I can honestly see him getting more than forty nine and a half on play. Like i think there's going to be opportunities deep down the field. Lenore did look good. You're right but he's not a fast guys. He'd runs on one of the slower forty times. Use a fifth round. Pick for a reason. I played ninety snaps last week to. That's key can't be to rape one thing that no is jared. Goff wasn't really attacking them until the end of the game like he wasn't even looking at us wide receivers. It was tj hopkinson. Which by the way. Thanks fred warner you made me look like an idiot Thanks d'amico ryan's. I was thinking of you the whole day. He had warner in zone the whole time. What the hell. Well the linebacker both the linebackers z's i don't even know how to say. How do you say all shire else. Shire they're the ones that allow them most yards in coverage and it's because the andrea swift and t jackson in a they were the only ones utilized basically in this offense and jamaal williams had so many receptions as well But fred warner did allow the most yards in coverage last week. Eighty eighty receiving yards so it was not perform. It was a miserable like You know it was week one for everybody. That's what i said. Maybe d'amico ryan's learn like how about instead of putting jason barrett on tj hopkinson. You put the best coverage linebacker in the league on them. Just just a thought you know maybe and especially like hopkinson was catching the ball early. It just didn't seem like there was any kind of adjustment there. So i was thinking of you and i was frustrated. That whole time If you're wondering by the dallas thirty eight and a half is the over under for receiving yards on him. I hope that that we don't come out with that same game plan. Because i think he's gonna hit the over on that. Yeah and i think a lot of that depends on if zakar plays or not. He's kind of questionable the play if he doesn't play like the over in that line but it's accurate in all he's still had thirty four yards last week. He's still involved. He's still fine player. Like you gotta give him. Credit or credit is due. And i i don't i would just stay away from that line. I think it's too low. Or he definitely like beat it. But i don't i don't want to take the over under that's just line. I'm staying far away from. I'm trying to find one. Do i wanna take the under on one under. Because i feel like you said we've gone over on everything. Jane raiders at thirty four and a half receiving yards I don't know. I don't know rushing yards that could be under. Don't ally mitchell now. Because i think trae sermon will be involved. And michael hasty will be involved like you said you think all of them will get around ten carries so if that's the case alive mitchell is going to have to best one off What she could thirty yard touchdown in week. One is not on the board. I don't see it here for rush yards. Deebo samuel is at five and a half that interests you. But i don't see anything for trace sermon mitchell draft. They don't they don't do sacks do they because i do think that the the eagles will get to jimmy garoppolo and bring him down a few times when the forty niners played the eagles last year. Now jimmy didn't play because he was hurt but it was basically the same offensive and defensive lines. The eagles had fifteen quarterback hits not pressures fifteen hits. It was rough. And trent williams even had a bad game so the eagles front can get after it a little bit. And that's going to be the big thing for me is what does jimmy garoppolo do. When he gets pressure because he basically was clean all last week he really didn't face it that much pressure at all But when he did he was able to shuffle his feet and extend the place. So that was encouraging. But it's going to be much much tougher this week. And i also wonder if he is under a bunch of pressure. Kyle shanahan say you know what forget it trae lance like. Get in there and run around and do some things. So i'm interested interested to see how that works out and it's really nice. They have trae lands in practice. This week you would think they have him in more for the defense to they have to be running those plays too. You know to contain trae lands. Because they're going to have to contain jalen hurts. it's nice. They have that type of quarterback in practice. Hopefully they're utilizing him correctly But yet you know we could see trae lanes come in this game a little bit more if we if we see the eagles you know jalen hurts doing saying jimmy. Garoppolo's can't keep up. We could see trae lance. What do you think is the biggest The biggest thing that the forty niners have to do this week. In order to beat the eagles. I clearly think they're a better team than you do. But what's the one. What's the one focus. You think the forty niners half to do to in order to win this game. I think they have to protect jimmy garoppolo or whoever whatever quarterback. They're like fifteen quarterback hits. That's ridiculous they just have to do a better job than that. It's it's not like the eagles have amazing. Pass rushers they. They have some solid players. But you gotta be able to block. All they need to do is just give jimmy garoppolo a few seconds to throw the ball and he seems to be able to function. And there's no excuse not to do it. You're supposed to be you know. I think top team in the nfc. The eagles are not a top team in the nfc. I know it's another game on the road but you stayed in west virginia. Go out and handle your damn business. I will say. I think the eagles and the forty niners right now in the nfc are kind of equal. I think you're a little bit higher. The forty nine. I think they're going to be really good. And i do think this game matter so much teams that went to last year. Nine of them went to the playoffs. Right only two teams started to anno- did not. It was the raiders and the cardinals which cardinals you know. They didn't fell apart at the end of the year. Yeah exactly in the raiders. The raiders but you. Start to know i mean. It's obvious this is a stupid statement to make but you have a great chance of making the playoffs. So this game is highly important for both of these teams and i kind of. They're in the same spot right now. Both have this awesome opportunity either. The renewed teams You know they just have to stay healthy and the forty niners are not doing that so far but hopefully they can get through this game completely healthy with who they have and for the record before the forty niners had these injuries. You predicted that. The eagles were going to win. This game months ago. I remember it distinctly so if i will give you credit if the eagles pull it out because you have been on the philly train you know it's so funny you have been on the philly trained for while and i host a the. Nfl show with brandon league out from bleeding green nation. And he's been down on the eagles down on the eagles. And i keep telling michelle says the eagles are going to be pretty good and then right before week one. He goes you know. There's some really good vibes with this. Eagles seem right now. I just wanted to be like michelle saw. Where were you. Hey they looked good last week. We'll see if they can. This is a much harder matchup than last week but both teams have a much harder matchup last week. I think we're going to learn so much about both teams this week to see if they're actually for real for real can they are. They contenders the push for a playoff spot So i don't think we got to learn a whole lot about either group last week. Besides jalen hurts really looked like. That's what i thought we learned. I thought jimmy garoppolo looked really good. So the two quarterbacks have going for them let's see if they can make it a good game in a row and it would be really nice for the forty niners to start off two now because they have green bay on sunday night football in week three. I have always said. I think the forty niners are going to win that game but you know obviously you never know and then i believe it's seattle after that schedule stiffens up a little bit it would be great if the forty niners could get through their first three games at worst two and one We'll find out obviously as we go along here before we go michelle. I wanna get minute block in my new clock. Goes out to ed saldana and this. Ed tweeted me earlier this week. And here's what he said. Now forty niner fans follow lombardi matt maiocco and matt barrels for realistic informative and fact based reporting fools like grant cone stats on fire cater to the preteen reactionary. Fantasy real football illiterate demographic. Let me just say for the record that this guy is clearly one of those fans that just wants everybody to waiver the pompoms and doesn't like any criticism of his team. Here's my problem. Shell he follows me. He follows me on twitter so he is calling himself someone that caters to preteen reactionary fancy real football literate demographic like how are you going to say that and then follow me on twitter. Yeah this is what the trolls do. you know. It happens all the time they liked to follow you to send those hate messages when they see you tweeting about anything. He wants you to be completely blinded to any weaknesses at the forty niners have and just be positive which viallet i think you're being overly positive about the team has a fan so i don't i don't know i think you're being plenty nice enough to them but you also have to talk about where they might have weaknesses and exists for every single team. Right unless you're a chiefs reporter or you work for the chiefs then you really have no reason to complain ever But yeah you gotta bring up the bad with the good just because your team wins doesn't mean everything is perfect and just because you have a good team doesn't mean they make really good decisions. All the time like this brandon. I thing is ridiculous and it deserves to be called ridiculous just because they won in week one like that doesn't change that and i'm sorry if people think that's negative. I love the forty niners. Look at my background. Well you can't see the background. But i got all sorts of forty niners crap in the background. I've lived in connecticut my whole life. I've been a forty niners fan. Since i was five years old. I love this team. But i want them to be better and i feel like the only way for them to be as good as they can be if you hold them accountable when they do stupid things. I'm sorry if you think that's negative. But that's just the way i am. Yeah this whole brand. And i think just created so much drama around the team like for no reason whatsoever like shanahan just the way he answered the question offense coordinator i keep saying. Just offense coordinator mike daniel. Yeah he said he answered correctly right. Just mentioned the injuries that now. He's really healthy like he'll he'll be back like that's all you had to say even if he's not utilized as much next week either but they don't bring down the dude in. I don't know this was. This is very weird to me. It was unnecessary. And i think it was a bad bad. Look for shanahan this week. It is weird if you go back to last season after you had the best game of his life shanahan said literally in the post game press conference i think he took a step backwards tonight. Which blew me away and then member. I don't know if you remember michelle jimmy garoppolo interception in the preseason game. He threw high to you over the middle. I thought it was a super high path. I thought it was a terrible throw by jimmy. Cow shannon got in the press conference and said he blamed for the interception so like. I don't know what's going on there when he drafted. I was celebrate and he said he was like his you know titus rated receiver something has soured there and it just seems to be different. Doesn't like the person or something. I don't know what in the world happened but once he doesn't like you he doesn't like you. I don't know if this is like his tactic trying to make him a better player but yeah already tried that once they pettus and it destroyed him as he was looking pretty decent and then you attacked him in front of everyone in the media and it destroyed him as a player. Maybe don't try that same thing again with brandon you. It didn't work the first time. Why don't you just be supportive. via coach. Do it all behind the scenes. Do whatever you gotta do But yet just i don't. I don't think that's going to work to make brennan. You better player. Like he's already pretty great last year as a rookie. Let him do his thing. Can we have a good wide receiver. Please i feel like since. Terrel owens left the forty niners. They haven't really had a good one. I think they've had like if you go back and look at the last five one thousand one thousand yard receiving seasons for the forty niners the fifth one. Is jerry rice. Who retired like twenty years ago. It's ridiculous we can have good wide receivers here. Just let these guys play and hope boy. This whole thing goes away starts. This week against the eagles goes out balls out as a couple touchdowns and this whole thing is gone. But you know it's gonna literally start snap one when we see who's there for the wide receivers. Yeah and i feel like at this point. Shanahan might just say. Well i gotta stick to my guns now you know. He can't like that he really prove himself to be better than field in three days. That's all it took was three days to prove that when you had the whole offseason so it's gonna look stupid if i starts or this whole thing was just stupid. Which hopefully that's what it was right. That's a good point like what has done over the last three days in practice own now. He's the starting wide receiver. Sure field like has fallen off of a. You're right the whole thing is dumb. He should just come out in a three wide receiver set and start all three. And then that'll be the end of that all right. That's going to do it for this edition of the gold. Diggers podcast again. If you haven't subscribed please do subscribe to the niners nation. Podcast network drop us a rating and review so for the record michelle. The spread is niners minus three. Where you're going. They're giving points to the eagles. I wanna root for the forty niners. So you know i always take what i want to root for but i i think you know if i'm giving advice the i would take the eagles plus three. If you think it's going to be a close team a close game. I always take the team. That's getting points. I just yeah seem like you know i was. We'll take points over. Not taking them. I talked to eight on shandor from bleeding green nation yesterday and what he said was and i thought it was interesting. You never take the philly crowd out of the game. I think it's gonna be a very hostile environment. What he said was if you start kicking ass. The crowd just starts to boo the eagles. They never shut up. You just earn the crowd against them. The forty niners have a chance to do that if they can get. A couple of three and outs with jalen hurts early and run the ball and move the ball down the field and get into the end zone a couple of times. You could start to turn that crowd. Because i think it's going to be a rough environment i'll take. It can be crazy because this is the first game. And i mean i know they ask you about the first home game with fans with fan very long time going to be interesting for sure i asked. Daytime what's the temperature of the on the scale of one to ten. He said one thousand so clearly going to be last last year was so disgusting but they had week one to kind of get that taste out of their mouth and now they actually have hoped that their team can be good so i. I think it's going to be loud. And it's gonna be rough in. The forty niners are going to have to silence that crowd in a way you know like they have to put them against the eagles basically is what you just said but quickly they're going to have to come out and immediately make some place. Yeah it's It's gonna be a crazy environment especially if they can get a couple of saxe early on jimmy garoppolo like it could easily snowball. It's going to be a great game. I'll take the niners and give the points. I don't feel great about it. i'm not gonna lie. I really don't this game. Could go up come down to a kick and you know my thoughts on robbie gold who oh yeah. Ps missed one already again last week But we'll see five yard. How far was that fifty david. He i think he hit one fifty two yard and he missed a fifty two yard or so. It's like okay. i still don't have anything. Plus is hard you can give them. Give them a break from a missing a fifty yarder especially when you're thirty nine years old and the oldest kicker in the league all right enjoy the game everybody wanna remind you after the game remember we will do the instant reaction show on the niners nation youtube channel stream on their stream on twitter as well. It's a kind of informal thing. We event we talk. I take your questions so please join us on that. We also turn that into a podcast. That'll be waiting for you on monday morning as well. Enjoy the game and we'll talk to you next week. Okay this show is over. 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Primetime with MrNiceGuy EP 3

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Primetime with MrNiceGuy EP 3

"We are in the beautiful summer month of june. Loves in the air my love for the forty niners. That is a lot coming at you tonight. We got a couple of pressures from office coordinator. Mike daniel and head coach kyle. Shanahan talked about aids injuries. In such we cover the offensive line this week and we cover the injury that happened as well well to injuries in three plays. I'm getting a little nervous faithful until then. Let's go with primetime with boards. Tenth listening was looking world. All right welcome back like i said before. This is prime time with mister. Nice guy. your hosts. Mr nice guy and let's get straight to it We have some breaking news at otas in training camp. This week justin school. The offense left tackle or right tackle or go wherever you want to put justin. school Suffered a torn. Acl you not as you know you hate to see hate to see these injuries. Year in year out. We'll talk a little more about that later. But cows shanahan. He was questioned about today in the president's but he's he's got to change something up he's he's got to do something a little different. Because you could credit this to you know people being unprepared or freak accidents as much as you'd like but at the end of the day that's not what's happening here. Something is going on with this team. They're having too many freak accidents for them to be freak accidents. You know what i mean. Just in school was in my opinion to be the sixth man of this offense line. He was very. He played very well in the times that we've seen in the last couple of years of course because of injuries we've seen justin school a little more than we would have liked but he's still a solid backup and i think he was the front runner for that. Swing tackle or that six men on the line position. Now that he's down is going to be a bit of a battle. I think at that position and other injury was a t- more. He more from the secondary safety. I i really liked him. He busted his achilles coach. Said he was just you just in the air you came down a wrong and busted that so you hate to see to see those accidents but this is football you know in football. There's injuries. I don't think we should get too scared right away. They're gonna happen especially these days. As you know guys are a little rusty you can tell who came in stretched ready to play a whole season. That's for sure With that being said training camp is going to be taking a break. I think shanahan said forty days or do they still training camp so the ota's are over. He was gonna run a mini camp sided. They didn't really need it. He he probably would have kept a couple rookies. he said but But he didn't wanna keep everyone here just for the sake of couple rookies they. They can get along on their own in the next forty days in the end he'll see which ones come back. Having learned what he taught will see which ones show back up and and compete. And you know those guys that have done very well in these. Ota's so far guys. Like mohamed sanu apparently has been doing pretty good He's gonna come back and really show he can make the nfl roster again you know. The coaches have been speaking highly of input forty days between not as in training camp. I mean that's a lot of time to get off. Your regimen started getting He is an older player. But right now. I think landing on the fifty. Three's a good chance from But we'll see we'll see moving forward. Ot as always feel like many camps training camp to me. I feel like it's very important to get these time in where you can run over things and you could get your players in the right shape and you can get your players working together. Cohesively shanahan's the king cohesive. He ended camp a day early. Took all the guys bowling really team bonded. After a couple of injuries to injuries in three plays you really gotta do something to bring the morale backup because you know that your players start. Flashback each last year where key players would go down and the other players who are good enough to compete. Make this a winning football team. Just don't have the juice that garoppolo or killer deibel on the field would have. And i think we got lucky out. Think justin school was that guy that we're going to really hurt because of a season ending injury but it'll hurt our depth. He'll hurt our depth. A little injuries start to mount which we can hope. Pray that that doesn't happen. A speaking of a. That's our position spotlight this week. The offensive line if you go to nine or faithful radio dot com i. I wrote a bit of an article on their check out our positional breakdown. This week which is offensive line. You know talked about center. Alex mack. I talked about lake in tomlinson the guard. These are guys that pretty much have a lock their job. You know you you have four. Maybe four of those spots pretty open or pretty solid right now at starters. You know you're gonna have alex mack starting at center. You're gonna have lincoln tomlinson starting at guard or gonna have the trent williams the silverback starting at left tackle big mike on the right side. Really that right guard position is the one that was open or up in the air but now adjusted school. Going down we're going to have a little bit of a battle on who becomes that guard who becomes sweet and it's gonna be really interesting to see that. Play out in forty days. You know i. I'm interested to see how this old line is gonna come together. I'm guessing run skill. Maybe ian williams. We really hope that as a second round pick aaron banks can solidify that job for himself. I i really hope that his size and effort come out swinging. He's a big dude and if they can use him the skills that they have. I can see them having a lot of success with aaron banks at the right guard and putting bruns skill in whenever they need him as like sixth man. The offensive line is you know. It's ever-evolving you if you look at the good teams you look at the great teams on the offensive line. There guys that have solid anchors and then a pretty good cohesive flow between guys who can do a little bit of everything versatility on the offensive line is a killer because as a defensive line your job is to go and get that quarterback or plug the gap and get the running back but the office align if you have versatility you can keep them guessing where those gaps are gonna be. You can keep them guessing what strength is gonna work here. What agility is gonna work there. And i think carcinogens really good at training options line to be versatile anywhere you gotta you got guys like trent williams who are gonna probably only play left tackle. Big mike i can't see him he might guard. He's a pretty good run blocker. So i mean he maybe he could move inside. But but you know versatility is where attack on the inside. And i think that brun skill and aaron banks and maybe even in williams you know i can see them kind of alternating correct me. If i got the name wrong. I feel like i got that neighboring williams but But yeah i could see them being pretty versatile and this is a cow shanahan team so the off line. I don't care who it is. They're going to be pretty decent a few years. There were like these guys. They were no nameless. Justin school before we got before we had joe staley. He was kind of the only guy that everyone was really excited about. The rest is like what's going to happen at turns out in the run game at least this offense of line wasn't bad and it's never really going to be in a car. Shanahan offense but when you have versatility and you have guys staying healthy and you have your anchors on the outside like big mike and the silverback you start to see yourself looking a little more and more comfortable week to week to week to week. So let's hope real bad that the forty niners spend the next forty days conditioning themselves. The players taking good care of themselves and hopefully they can come back in and we don't see very many injuries in training camp. I mean we had a pretty clean slate. Da's until this final that final day. So i think that's okay. I'm okay with that. We're not getting freaky injury. So far like depots last year. We've got to keep moving and not be afraid in. Those players have got to do their job and condition like i said last week. This is a war of attrition. ladies and gentlemen it is a war of attrition and the niners of lost that war the last couple of years. But it's time to get back on the straight narrow and trying to get to it. Okay that that's offense alliance out of. I missed anybody. He got my notes. tom com Up some names coma give Mike mcdaniel mentioned coal And actually said it could be a possible replacement for justin school. He's really liked what he's seen Yeah so look for that. Sixth man of swing battle for the office of line and look for its tapped to be pretty excited. I've mentioned how coaching offensive coordinator. Mike mcdaniel had some Some notes today. They had a little bit of a presser a little bit ago. I'm going to go over that. So let's let's start with a coach shannahan. The you know he came out they. They asked him the usual questions that they're going to ask him after an injury. You could tell he kind of kept that shanahan face on didn't really wanna look irritated. But he's like man white guys asking me this football. He did say that. The rookies have looked really good. He's really happy with our draft class. He's really happy with the way they all came in really coach. They all have their talents. Come in coach and ready in like klay the mole. Whatever shanahan needs you love to hear that coming out of a draft class. You love to hear the coaches are all kinda like yeah. This is what we expected. This is exactly what we wanted this guy so but for him to say that it shows you that they're doing something right because shanahan doesn't always minces words. Shanahan will tell you when someone's going to be in his doghouse. I mean china. Handed didn't speak very highly dante pettis the entire time he was here. Unfortunately for dante who. I think was a pretty good player. Who's never got a shot. I hope i hope he does well wherever he went. I saw the other day but it missed my mind. A little bit is not a niner. So he's not on front of the brain. You know what i mean. He said Particularly looking good. Of course trae lances has been out there being everything. We thought he was going to be to the team. He's really coach Takes on the whole adventure that he's on you know i i. I can believe that. I can believe that when watching that guy because he is that kind of guy who you can tell told his whole family one day no matter where on from or what school i go to one day. I'm gonna make it and it's nominated ride that wave and i'm at work my tail off and i'm gonna make it to the nfl. And and he is on course for a dream. Come true. And i don't think just making the nfl's part of his dream. I think trae. Lance wants to be a champion. I think he wants to be one of the greatest. He's a very very very humble guy but he's also very very hard working very very comfortable. The coach said so. I feel like in the back of his mind whether he admits it or not. Because he's humble he wants to be one of the best he is hungry in. You love the a guy like that is red shooting. Because he's gonna take that year and they're gonna mold like clay and they're gonna make him everything that he needs to be for this offense and then he's going to be a quarterback of the future that the rest of the. Nfl should be afraid of because he took his time. You didn't get exposed behind bad offense of line. he didn't get exposed by subpar wide receivers. This team will be built around him. John lynch understands that he has to keep this team built around a young quarterback. Jimmy garoppolo is gonna show him the ropes whether he likes it or not just by playing. He's showing trae lance out. Operate this offense. And i really feel like. That's a good thing that we have such a good quarterback jimmy such a multiple player in trae lance. I'm gonna get off trae. We talk about trae every day. It is the trae area. How do you not talk about trade. You know what. I'm gonna talk about trae. We're gonna talk about trade sermon. Because coach shanahan said that he's getting more and more reps as the days go by the less Took the more sermon dot in. It seems as if though trade sermon is wedged himself in the middle of a quarterback or running back carousel in a good good way You see him getting those reps because he gets does well. You don't get more reps if you get the ball and fumbled it or the ball and get stuff line. Because you didn't see your gap you get that ball because you need the work. A and b. Because you're not screwing up if you needed the word you're screwing other find the work for you later on. You'll get those reps. You get a little bit enough to work on it but you're not gonna get more more reps. You're not going to get the coach talking about you. A press conference about how good you're doing he's going to require about you. He's gonna say you know we eastern agencies working hard but he's not just working hard he is in there getting the reps making the most of them and there's fifty percent athletics and fifty percent mental in this game and i feel like tracer Mentalities the star of this football team one day. Why not start in rookie. Minicamp wideout starting. Ota's and why not start in training camp so that by the time. This season comes mostly. It isn't the number one running back. He sharing duties with trae sermon. Which i really really hope turns out to be the case for the young running back. Your i really really hope. Trae sermon comes out and makes all the teams regret. Not drafting him. Before we got a chance to you know. I think that was a huge deal. I think elisha mitchell was too. I like the way that guy runs these quarterback running back i dunno. I keep saying quarterbacks. He's running bags are no joke. So we wrapped up the office a line. We wrapped up the positional breakdowns. For the offense that are coming. We did the quarterbacks on nine or faithful radio dot com. We did the running backs with the wide receivers tight end leading the office of line. Next week we're going to be tackling in opposition. Spotlight the defensive. Line the big the big cheese if you will no no packer joke needed nick both returns. He gave his a gave his guys a little bit of a immoral supporter. You do too much but he was. There is playing. He's gonna be back come training camp and we're excited for that but we'll talk about all that next week. We'll talk about the defensive line next week. I wanna talk about now moving on to a young young offense coordinator. Mike mcdaniel mike mcdaniel. I haven't really heard a lot of mean you know. His name is synonymous with kyle. Shanahan which he is not shy about saying he is new to this. He's an offense coordinator to a coach. That calls the plays to a coach. That is the offense of mind. So that's a lot like saying you know your assistant regional manager or assistant to the regional manager from outfits office fans out there He's basically the assistant coach. Kyle shanahan but he makes no bones about how much of an honor it is to be in the position. He's in how lucky he has been to be able to arrive at fourteen year way with kyle behind him every step of the way in in any ways i i got a couple of questions that were asked answers That he was asked version has how feels to be have the promotion. He said it was an honor and a privilege to be office coordinator for the san francisco. Forty niners but particularly for coach kyle shanahan whom he believes is the greatest play caller in the game. Right now. He says he just loves learning from him. He loves working with him. He loves the cohesive nature of the team he feels extremely honored to be office coordinator of this story franchise in a time that they have one of the best way callers. There's ever been and i do. I do agree. I do agree. A little bit of history. Mike mcdaniels he was in houston with kyle. Shanahan when they did quarterbacks wide receivers is that he's been all over the positions on the offense you went within the washington and atlanta and we're cried receivers in cleveland in the came here and worked his way up with wide receivers and running backs and and he got himself a job as office coordinator by being a very trusted loyal and abstract thinker. He's he says you know if he had to pick one thing he would say that. He's a abstract thinker on the offense ex to think outside the box would here. What would work there. And when he was asked if he ever gets input on play calling he he answered with something that i didn't really understand about coach shannahan. I always kind of thought shanahan was. This is my team. You guys just learned for me. I got all the notes. I work till three. Am last night coming up with the game plan for this. You guys look at over and tell the guys but apparently. It's a very cohesive room. it's very much. every single. Coach has say every single trainer every single player every single person on that staff that going out there on the field on game day they all have a say they all get to explain what they see. An coach. Shannahan is so good at taking their input and filtering through his mind or the game and using what he thinks will work in not using what he thinks. Won't mike daniels said that he's really good at. He'll take the information and if it doesn't work he doesn't hold you accountable. He doesn't lose trust in you because at the end of the day he knows that it's his choice to play. Because you're just thinking and that's all he wants you to do as a coach on that team is just think. Think think think think think think and eventually he will use some of those ideas and sometimes he won't and i liked that i liked the cook. Shanahan has earned the respect from the staff around him because it's just an attribute out gradients and of coordinator. Mike daniels this press conference. You can see through him through. Just how much of a fan of any is. He's he loves the way he thinks. He loves the way he coaches in. He can tell he's learned in emulated the game as much as he can and he's earned enough. Trust emulated enough of that. Coaching prowess for four one of the greater minds on offense to be like. Hey you're going to be offensive. Coordinator is gonna be your name on the building when they say. Hey off cordinator drew five touchdowns. They're gonna they're gonna give you credit and he makes he makes it very clear that he is humbled by this and he is humbled by how shanahan bringing him along for fourteen years. You've had a working relationship like that. You're you're not just work friends. You're not just brothers on the football field. You guys are best friends in. It's really cool to see. The shanahan never lost sight of what helped get where he was. When it comes to the certain pieces that he's always had. And i love seeing that. It's part of that gel. That makes the forty niners what they are and i'm looking forward to seeing that continue i'm looking forward to see mike mcdaniel groza coordinator. I really really have high hopes for this for this guy. I do wanna take seconds. Economy reminds me of will graham from the hannibal series. I don't know if you guys ever watched that. I think the nbc. He looks and sounds like we'll graham. Let's just hope that he has like some sort of power. Like we'll see the offense from from the offense of point of you be like we go that way it's going to be a touchdown every time just doesn't weigh on like graham. Are you know if someone doesn't use people carrying on his His press conference there. He was asked about d'amico ryan's He actually was in houston when they drafted d'amico ryan's back in two thousand six nieces. One thing you remembered about him as a player that he was always an extension of the coaching staff on the field. He was always one of those coaches players. Those guys that just really grasp the playbook really grasp the timing in the reads. He came out there. Even as a rookie end was the extension of the coaching staff. He won rookie of the year in two thousand six. Two i remember when d'amico text their defense was really brutal really really top tier so having that mind having that that aggressive nature. That d'amico brings to play if that translates into his coaching and that translates to the players that we have on our team. I would expect our defense to be top five once again. no questions. No just hands down. That i would expect the top five He said that data was asked about the wide receivers in what he thinks. He spoke highly of mohamed sanu The competition is so heavy. Though and that you'd be a fool to try to make any guests on who is going to make the fifty three calm training coming into training camp But he said it. It's so fun to watch because all these guys showed up dotes. Ta's thinking may we're to be the one that. Wow that coaches in in how much they've evolved physically when it comes to their bodies in their minds mentally in they all showed up ready to compete also ready to be back guy that pushes the other without and so he said the wide receiver battles going to be a little more heated than we originally thought. Because all these guys showed up to play. Richie james davis and heard they all wanna be that guy behind on brandon. I you can. I would too. I can't wait for preseason. Just to see what forms those wide receivers really tear it up. You know and there's good as as mike mcdaniel things than than i really really enjoy. wash them. Tear up the second or third string late gains with trae lance stone to give the c. trae crissy's nor forty days away from training camp which means we're not that far away from our first. Preseason game preseason where we're going to get see trae lance and some of these wide receivers and that offensive line battle that i talked about and the cornerback battle that i'll talk about later on in the month is going to be really good because we're a team. That doesn't really need position battles. Were a team. Who actually has a bunch of starters this position battles are mainly for debt and we have built so much depth in fear of injuries that we're actually really excited when this debt gets to rear its head. They're all starting caliber players. In my opinion. We just signed safety. Tony jefferson. that guy can be a pro bowl or any given year. he's coming off. Acl injury but as we talked about last week acl. Injuries aren't what they used to be. You know you you have these injuries and guys bounced back all the time now. Nick both is coming back. He's going to be a rocket ship. Tony jefferson's a steel in my opinion in so so there's going to be a lot of things happening in that depth part behind warden chart behind Manual moseley that. I'm really excited for and i'm really excited to get to be touching on the defense for the next couple of weeks in in my riding on nine or faithful radio. I really feel like the defense is our bread and butter. We can talk about the offense in the future. we could talk about kittle. Deebo jimmy jean trace all we want but defense is our bread and butter. The defense is what made teams afraid. It was our defense that eight apart. Aaron rodgers net. Nfc championship game. And it's gonna be a defense that gets us back there are. Offense is just gonna have to get a little better to get us over the hump. And i think we're there. I just looked over my tv. As i said. Defense and fred warner was looked on the screen with his shoes. So you know you know what they're bringing to the table this year. Moving on on. Mike mcdaniels podcasts. Or not podcast is press conference They asked if he can use lance now in other packages can can they use Trae lance allah. How new orleans might've used I forget his name. I forget the guy they had last year. That would come in with drew brees sometimes and make plays. They asked him if he can kind of feel like that yet. He being trae lance and he said you know they're not gonna get ahead of themselves. You know this is not something that they're rushing. They love the way. He's a piece of clay and they can mold him. They're moldy him how they see fit and he is all for that. Adventure is all four showing up early. He is all four shown up. Ready to go and being coached by the other quarterbacks. The coaches quarterback you know you got always butcher his name. But you got risk greg mellower. Correct me in the comments if you want to We have the quarterback coach who originally was here with jimmy g. He him working with trae lands is going to be big as well. I think So yeah they're not gonna get too far ahead of themselves right now just focusing on getting in prepared just focusing on on just preparation. Preparations were attacked in. That's all they really need to focus on They asked if he gets it. He played calling on game. Day said no but he does get input. Shanahan loves cohesive balanced that he gets with all his people. He doesn't hire coaches that he can't bounce ideas off of and try to find the best solution. That caution hand to a t he just wants to find the best solution and i think that The love our coach man. He's really smart dude. He hires a staff around him. He can trust when they give him input. He can have as much input the next play as humanly possible and he does such a good job at taking the best of his staff as offered him. And not holding them accountable. If something does work at the end of the day he's the one that caused the place They asked him the ethnic channels. What's his role when evaluating the draft class. And you know once again. He's just spoke highly of of the cohesive nature of this team it very collaborative was the word he kept using. he's kept saying we are collaborative. We are a team. We are group's there is a chain of command. Wish we all know is caused. Shanahan and john lynch are appear. Move on down the list in you have your whole squad. But he says there's not many egos in this building. We are very very collaborative. And i love to hear that. I love to hear that. There's not many eagles in the building. Ego will destroy anything. We have seen it so many times. Not just in football but in history in history ego has been the death of so much good it. Chris flew into the sun because he thought he couldn't burn or because he thought he could fly too high or philosophers out there butcher me please correct but you know what i mean. Ego will bring the strongest ship down so to hear this guy who's been with. Kyle shanahan for fourteen years. And he says ego doesn't live in this building and we are extremely collaborative so on draft day. I do my job. I'll give my nose to coach. He makes his decisions. I like to hear it. I like to hear about collaborative. Then they moved on. They asked him what his hallmark was. They were like offense coordinator mike daniels. What is your hallmark. you know there is. The hallmark of robert salah would run onto the field after a big play. And you know is coach. Shanahan's ability to call plays evaluate players. What is his and he. He's very humble. He didn't want to answer that question. You can tell that he's a man who understands he's brought here because he's trusted by the coach. He's brought here because he can evaluate Add good translation between coach and player in the players like him. I'm all for mike mcdaniels. But he even he can tell you that he's here because he's he's been trusted by. Kyle shanahan to be here. He is someone college hanky trust in relaying his message in his game and he didn't want to answer anything about himself. He's a very humble guy but he said if he had to pick anything. It'd be as abstract thinking thinking outside the box. Thinking different ways to do classic plays in turn defenses on their ears and you could be humble all about it. I think that's huge. I think in today's day and age these offenses these passing offenses these defenses. They are so competitive. Because they're they know what's coming. They're all students of the game. But you can beat students of the game. If you change the game. Let me say that one more time you can beat students of the game if you change the game. They don't know what you're doing if you don't play the game by their rules so an offensive coordinator no matter how young or how inexperienced or how much he may only be because he has the trust in the head coach and offensive coordinator who sees himself a very high ability to to think abstractly in think outside the box. He's the kinda guy that's gonna beat the very smart players are he's going to out offense. The russell wilson's he's going to beat the aaron donald and jalen ramsey. He's going to beat the bill checks when the time comes because they are the ones that are going to think about those moments where everybody's expecting one thing we put it. We put that in motions of the defense knows. It's coming and we do something else. I think that's integral to how shanahan coaches and. I don't care how humble mike mcdaniels is. I'm gonna tell you right now. He is a big part of the way shanahan coaches. He's been with him for fourteen years for a reason never left him behind for a reason and that reason is because he thinks abstract when asked. What is your biggest thing i think outside the box. What is kyle shanahan. Best attribute as a playcaller. He thinks outside the box in so many situations any keeps the team moving in motion and doing misdirections. And doing all these things in the play. Action that you don't see as a student of the game because the game has never been taught that way by the players have played it to beat students of the game. You have to change the game mike. Mcdonagh's gonna change the game without shanahan and they are already doing it. We have already seen for the last few years. Excuse me all right. He even says he's been lucky to be under the best play caller that he's ever seen high praise for the coach. High praise for a friend for a brother offensive coordinator. Mike daniels is just an extension of kyle shanahan and if you wanna give cost shanahan more arms more arms. A he was asked about his past he attended an ivy league school. I didn't catch which one some of his peers would call. Were calling him a scrub. Because he dropped out and he said at the end of the day i was going to college. I was going to ivy league for business and it just wasn't something he was passed about any wasn't really finding anything to be passionate about. Except football and football became his life. It became as passionate became everything he does. And you can see that weekend and week out with the players that he coaches. You can see him on the sideline the last few years. You can see him on the sideline in the super bowl. Run the code. The players love to play this kid. He is not a scrub. Any of you. I really goes out there. That wanna call this offense coordinator scrubbed because he's not making billions of dollars on millions of dollars in hedge funds. He's only making a couple of hundred thousand as offense coordinator if that he's doing something that he's passionate about all the money in the world all the riches in all the perks that come with being a hedge fund billionaire yet. It's a great life but if you don't want it that it's not it's lonely and you're not doing anything you love your just counting numbers all the time. You're counting numbers to make the money. And then you count the numbers to count the money. And then he count numbers to put the money back in. I can see how that would be boring. And if your passions football forget the hedge funds and go play some football offensive coordinator. Mike mcdaniels won me over today. Watching his press conference seen as humbleness liking him to will graham which helps me associate people in my life sometimes. Likening them to characters. Because it's a little easy to digest the human. They are for me. I guess if you will office coordinator got a fancy day. Yes he did. Mike daniels is humble he. Smarts is an abstract thinking and he is the offensive coordinator for the san francisco. Forty niners in that cannot be taken lightly. There have been some big big shoes to fill in that position and he is doing it under the tutelage of one of the greatest play collars. I've ever gotten to watch been able to watch. It's going to be good. It's going to be really great. That was his press conference. That was that was also declared near mike mcdaniels. We're gonna move along now here. Okay so we're gonna move on. I have. I'm gonna start something new this week. We do have our. Nfl rewind faithful rewind show with your boy niner faithful But but every week. I'm gonna touch small small bits of a forty niner history. Maybe you didn't know about. I'm a big history. Buff and there are parts of everything that i enjoy that i like to go all the way back and find out how that was how that came to fruition Whether it's movies. And i go back to learning how the script was written or how the script was sold to this producer and sold it this producer. Not and then finally. After years of sitting at a desk it was made to them. As i love breaking things down from its inception. I'm gonna do that a little bit here today. And there's a story of a guy that we don't really hear about too much. We don't hear about the creator of the forty niners very much because of the bright sun. That was edward the bottle of junior what he brought to this organization on a whole glory aspect. He developed the golden standard. You know after nineteen seventy seven. When he bought us. But i want to talk about today. I want to go even further back to the nineteen thirties for the forty niners. Were even a football team. And i wanna talk about a guy who's the epitome of the golden standard. I'm talking about tony marietta. He was an italian american in the nineteen thirties from pretty well off family the family. He ran a lumber mill and after his father lost everything in the great depression of nineteen twenty nine. His lumber mill was used to build back the west coast in a sense he worked hard and he became one of the leading members of the community. When it came to lumber hauling and back in those days you know would was very very important. He brought his family great depression in a very wealthy state and was looking for things to do in the realm of football. It spent many years up to this point watching the east coast kind of dominate. The realms of football hadn't quite gotten to the west coast yet. It was rumor that they were trying to relocate to the west coast but logistically. They just could never really find a team that could make it. Tony minero pitched the idea of a football team based off of his home town of san francisco based off the gold rushing pioneers of yesteryear. He wanted to name them after the forty niners and be the gold rush of the west in the nfl and he was rejected is rejected several times. In fact he went all the way to chicago. Where the headquarters was at the time in nineteen forty four and he tried to lay it down and he was laughed out of the building when he pitched his idea for a football team. When that happened he went across the street to the headquarters of the all american football conference the rival so the nfl at the time and Or day was june. Fourth nineteen forty four d. Day as some of you may remember. He sat down and he signed the documents to create the first ever. San francisco forty niners. Tony may be. The pioneer lumber caller had created the first west coast football team and honestly we had marginal success with the afc. We had winning records all four seasons that we played with them the final season we made it to the championship game versus the cleveland browns. At the time they beat us handily as they did most people back in the afc after four years the nfl merged with them and when the nfl merged they brought on. I think it was sixteen and the san francisco. Forty niners tony. Merab does san francisco. Forty niners was one of on december seventeenth nineteen fifty four. Tony marino died mid gain. Mind you he was middle. He was told leading up to this game that he's was so bad and he was such a ferocious cheering kind of owner. He was always in his press box. It was always going hard for his team. He loved his forty nine niners. He was told by his doctors leading up to this week's weeks in advance. Your heart can't take that kind of punishment anymore. You can't be that kinda guy anymore. You have to calm down. And i suggest putting football side. And he's he told his doctor man if football's would kills me than it was meant to be sure enough on a cold day in december keizer stadium as the fog rolled in. He would die from a heart attack in his press box being read his last rites his final words being thank you father as he slowly let go of his grasp on life the niners would be down seventeen seven headed into the half in that game and upon hearing the news of their fateful owner passing in the press box. They would rally back in twenty one seventeen in his honor. Ed debartolo junior would by eighty five percents of the forty nine stock couple decades later in nineteen seventy seven the time between nineteen fifty four nineteen seventy seven had some pretty decent players but was marginally unsuccessful in its first ten or fifteen years in the nfl and then we all know the story after that. And what ed debartolo junior bill in a young quarterback out of notre dame would create so. Yeah tony mirra veto. The founder of the san francisco forty niners and the founder of west coast football so we have that to add to our glorious well. I had a lotta fun researching that one i. That was a story. I didn't really know I i wanted to look for something that i didn't know. I knew that my first history of the faithful segment. I wanted to talk about tony mayor. I i wanted to talk about the founder of the niners. I wanted to get to the nitty gritty of it. There's a whole bunch of notes. I have on mayor beata if you want more. Hit the like button if you want more. Tony marambio comments. Hey i want a little more. And maybe i'll write a piece on him. I know i definitely could write a whole movie about how this guy created this team. And i just might one day. You never know if you see this. Reach out to me. I would love to ask you some questions. I would love to know the history of the family and the history of the brother. I would to know the history of memorabilia lumber So yeah that was a. That was a fun. One on through my lines here. All right one second. You guys like that guys like that little history thing. I'm not gonna step on the on the fateful rewind podcast those guys do really good things. They really put their research into it. Definitely gonna let them be the be. Those guys that rewind certain games and talk about them I am gonna move forward. A little with the history of the forty nine. We're going to learn a few things. I believe next week. I'm gonna talk about the fifties the sixties in the players that really solidified themselves in nine greatness in years before we were glorious. The wia titiles. You know i'm gonna someone explore that a little more. I'm looking looking forward to that research. As i said we're going to do another Positional breakdown next week that positional breakdown will be on the defensive line. A lot of news about how. Good your kinlaw. Kinloss been doing return. Nick bosa the unbelievable amount of depth. We have had attacking. Quarterbacks is gonna be so fun to watch and yeah. I was gonna tell you guys also that nine faithful radio dot com puts a lot of efforts in providing content for you guys. I wanna give a shout out to everybody involved. Everybody is computers are working in maximum to get this thing off the ground. Everybody's working double hours. Everybody's putting their lives kind of aside to try to make is something important and i. I am honored to be a part of this. And i wanna give a shout out to my entire crew and just say you guys are doing a great job. You guys have fans in me and i'll we can all genes work together and really make nine fits radio. We all know it can be. We love these forty niners. And i'm looking at the screen right now and i'm watching. George kittle behind my behind my camera here and i get chills. Just watching him smile as he hits people. We're the kind of podcasts. We're the kind of radio network. We're the kinda guys that get excited to talk about people hitting we get excited to talk about the gold rush. I get excited to talk about tony memorabilia. And not just how he was the father of the forty niners but how he was a lumber mill all through the great depression. Use that to get out of the bind that his family was in his father had lost everything everything. He came up with this business at the right time. And it's just so crazy when you look at life like that and you think about how this guy. His father was wealthy. He up wealthy but his father lost everything in the depression came a lumber. He became a respectable lumber holler at the right time in nineteen thirty when things were starting to bloom again he put his hard work and dedication into becoming something bigger than life was to let him be and when he made enough money he put it back into this sport in this team and he we got so many decades of blood sweat tears glory. We wouldn't be able to celebrate those five super bowls or those seven super bowl appearances without tony. Mary jo. we wouldn't be able to look up. At george kittle and get those chills. We wouldn't be able to remember. Patrick willis and his lion style hunting out there in the mid way. We wouldn't have jerry rice or joe montana or any of these guys did started with the lumbar haller in the nineteen thirties. Who never gave up. And if you take that mentality and you put it with the san francisco. Forty niners built on it and it always has been. This team has never settled for less. I feel like this team has had a too dark ages since nineteen forty four when it became a football team in the afc. That was the fifties through seventies and then of course the early two thousands which i grew up in early. Two thousands were brutal. We spent a first round pick on a quarterback that we probably should have chose the other guy. We had a carousel of offensive coordinator's coaches. We had guys that didn't know what they're doing. dudes it looked at our teams instead. I walk winners. Because you know why. Mike singletary said that. He didn't just say that. Because we lost he had winners. He knew he had winners in that team. The team like singletary coach wasn't much different than the team that jim harbaugh ended up coaching. That's super bowl. Team that went with colin kaepernick. And jim harbaugh the defense and a lot of the offensive line. That was mike. Singletary's he louis had winners. They became winners Furthest to the extent as we can call them winners having lost that super bowl champions and that's winning. Ab that team became winners. He wanted winners. He didn't say it because he didn't think he had. He said it because he knew they didn't believe it themselves. Mike singletary came from age of football. Where if you wanted to be a winner. You went out there and took it tony mirror. Beato he embodied that he used his lumber hauling skill to make a business to make a profit put it into this sport and never gave up trying to create a west coast team. He got turned down. I think they said twelve times the last time. They laughed him out of the building. It takes dedication to be laughed out of a building. When you're trying to do something you're passionate about. It takes patients it takes will take that deep breath and focus and it also takes some balls to get turned down and laughed at the time. So you intern. Instead of direct that anger towards them you go across the street to their rival. And you sign the deal. Anyways while bombs were dropping on europe. Tony mayor veto didn't care. He was making us west coast football team. He was displaying that golden standard that the forty niners have become synonymous with no matter who you ask their haters out there. But there's not an nfl fan alive that does name the forty in their top five organizations of all time we have embodied the golden standard. The tony marino dreamed up when he laid in bed awake at night trying to get a deal done to make this team. The he just wanted to used to represent his beautiful city. His city he believe was the most beautiful city in the world. The most hardworking city in the world backed by a history of gold and working pioneers. Who took that gold and turned it into a bustling. Creative super tech Today that in part. Thanks to tony mirabeau and never giving up. And then when he got to the afc he made. He made a winning football team and he got them to the championship. I mean we've always been a golden standard team from the lowest divisions to the nfl to the highest stage. I have never seen our fans hold this team more accountable than right now. Having lost two super bowls in the last decade this is unacceptable to us. This is unacceptable to u. n. u. n. You faithful and losing. Those super bowls is unacceptable to us. It is not what tony beadle would want it. It is not of the hopes and dreams for a man died watching the game. He loved when he was told not to. He would not have wanted us to lose like that and like that. I mentioned in kansas city. We should not have lost that game in miami. We are better than that. We shouldn't be unprepared every season tour. We lose half our team to injuries. We are better than that. This team has a golden standard top to bottom from beginning to whenever it ends gold. Gold gold and man is beautiful. I like being a fan of the forty niners. Because i like to be able to say things like that. Can you imagine being a raider fan and be like we have the silver standard of the nfl. Can you imagine being the browns. We have a brown standard of the nfl. We got the golden standard. And that that in another itself brings a hype and a prowess an talapity to it. You don't come to the forty niners and think to yourself. This is the browns standard of the nfl for stuff for sure. The browns to see brown standard. They've lived up to to you. Go to the raiders to see the silver standard. They've lived up to the silver standard always coming close but never really pulling the trigger on that. W the forty niners have been to the super bowl seven times. That's gotta be almost tied for third. I think correct me in the comments that to start. I'd like to have known right now but it's up there. The forty niners take shots. We make plays we are. We may fall for a couple years but we rebuild and his organization always rebuilds to golden standard. You don't have you don't have to be a fan. That was alive in the eighties or the nineties or the fifties. You just gotta be fan to feel the chills that this team brings the every single sunday sundays this year. I'm gonna make a bunch of hot dogs in brought worst famous homemade nacho cheese sauce. And i'm gonna sit down. And i'm going to enjoy being a forty niner fan last year. I think i took that for granted all the injuries. Everything that happened with covid. I took being a fan for granted. We lost the super bowl. And i was mad but never did. I think it wouldn't come back and we got close to the nfl. Not coming back. And if you're a niner fan. It didn't really come back last year. Our season ended about week. Two or three. Despite the efforts from the team around. I think this year. I'm definitely gonna do my part in taking every single game every single. Snap being thankful here being thankful for tony marino for bringing the forty niners end football of the west coast. My family lineage. It moved with. My family is ingrained here on the west coast at this point in so without football year. I don't know what i would do having to watch. East coast teams or southern teams. Get down are only college football. I don't know what i would do. I am so thankful for guys like tony mayor beato ediberto junior. The your family even japan because they give us the greatest team in the world. And that's that's something to be proud of. I'm going to be a golden standard fan. And i really really really push for each and every one of you to follow that standard as well. I'm not gonna hate call. You not faithful. i'm not gonna call you a wagner. 'cause like i said. It doesn't matter if you were a fan in the fifties or if you just became a fan last year we're all faithful now and let's hold that term up high and let's be everything that i know we can be and let's live up to the golden standard and let's have the same faith in the same dedication as fans as tony minero beato had as it was my honour to do primetime with you. I will be back here again next week eight. Pm pacific standard. Time for primetime with mister. Nice guy i'm out.

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Stats & Eggs, 8/4: Trey Lance doing video game things at practice

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Stats & Eggs, 8/4: Trey Lance doing video game things at practice

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Which is literally all it took for trae lance to start trending on twitter one rap and it might have also been the fact that he was thirteen of fourteen on the day. But still listen to this tweet from one member of the forty. Niners press corps. Who wrote quote trae lance just made a throw. I didn't know humans could actually make video game. Nonsense step up. Roll left across his body on the jump fifty yards in the air on a rope to a crossing. Receiver touched out afterwards. Kyle shanahan was asked about lance his day and said he didn't think that this could lead to trae getting more reps with the first team. I don't really look at it like that. Now that he had a decent day I thought he did good with his reps. Not perfect but I evaluate and everybody right now and not putting that kyle continues to downplay lances performance in practice. But i'll be interested to see if he reacts the same way after preseason games for his part jimmy garoppolo doesn't seem too worried about what lands is doing. Jimmy was asked if he starts to worry when he sees the rookie playing well at practice. No no jane gave you worried about a lot of things. You can start worrying about that stuff. I think offensively we've been playing well. I'm pretty happy with where we're at. Tradesman he's making plays you know like all we all got a long way to go and so it's just a we're just getting started here in camp and it will keep this thing rolling. I should point out. That garoppolo hasn't been particularly bad in any of his practices. He's been pretty much the same guy. he's always been. Which might be part of the problem. Perfect example lance drops back in the pocket. Fires that fifty yard strike to trench her field. I mentioned earlier while he's fading away. From the line of scrimmage garoppolo just isn't physically capable of doing that unless he suddenly picks that up. somehow i just don't see how he keeps the starting job. Let's go outside the quarterbacks for now a couple updates for you aziz al shy year was hurt earlier in the week but we got word that his acl is in fact. Fine kyle shanahan. Didn't really have an official diagnosis but did say that he'll be out for a couple of weeks. Jalen hurd and d ford were back on the field in pads participating in team drills which is utterly amazing and deebo samuel missed practice with what shanahan called soreness in his groin which is funny to me because just a day ago shanahan said that deebo was in the best shape he had ever seen him in. So there's that we always give you something to read something to watch and something. You might have missed something to read on this wednesday. The athletic is counting down the one hundred greatest players in nfl. History and fittingly tuesday's player was number. Forty nine steve. Young go check it out. There's a story in there that's loaded with great recounting of some prime moments in young's career and it's just a nice little trip down memory lane and i continue to say that if steve young played in today's nfl he would absolutely dominate something to watch keep an eye on nfl game. Pass if you happen to subscribe to that like i do. They got rid of the all twenty two film which is one of the most valuable parts of having that subscription and they haven't said when it's coming back yet and if you cancel your subscription i have heard from other members of niners nation to keep an eye on your bank statements because they have a habit of continuing to charge you after you make that switch something you may have missed the forty niners dipped into the free agent pool late on tuesday night and signed cornerback. Bw web with tim. Harrison dante johnson injured in a manual mostly on the covert list. They had to somebody and they couldn't reach a deal with drake her patrick. So webb became the guy Little background he played with forty nine or senior defensive assistant james becher when he was the giants defensive coordinator in two thousand eighteen. So that familiarity probably got him the job. That's going to do it for today. Stats and eggs. Keep your eyes peeled for the shanna plan with kyle posey and a cash on a very often. Kp has been at forty niners practice all week and has a ton of observations for you things that you are not going to get anywhere else so you definitely want to check that out. I'm rob stats carreira. We'll talk tomorrow. Support for this episode comes from forward. Most people go to the doctor for the one offs like rashes and colds. And your annual flu shot but doctors can do more. That's why you need forward. 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B.I.G. Interview | Zac Stevens of DNVR Broncos

The Hull Show ? 1310 KFKA

18:29 min | Last week

B.I.G. Interview | Zac Stevens of DNVR Broncos

"This is your unc. Bears head men's basketball coach. Steve smiley and you're listening to the whole show on thirteen ten. Kfi gay twenty one minutes after the hour. Welcome back to the whole show powered by pd energy live from the auto collision specialist studios joining me. Now zak stevens. Our broncos insider from dnv our broncos. Zach my man. I love catching up with you on a friday me too great vibes today brady and man just a little extra special with it being raiders. Week and Mike shanahan finally going in the ring fame. And isn't that something It it's amazing but also kinda depressing because one of our poll questions and we talked about this. Tuesday was you know could vic be fired. Essentially if things don't go well the next couple of games and you look you look across the field to on the weekend. And you're gonna see mike shanahan and so many amazing memories with this broncos organization so it takes us back to the golden days a little bit. Yeah it certainly does and not. Only i mean mike. Mike shouldn't just be in the ring of fame. he should be in the holidays. What he's back to back super bowls and then honestly just everything. He's done for the game with his coaching tree with his offense. Just the way. He's really changed the game of football for the better He absolutely deserves the goal jacket. No question about it man. I mean mike. Shanahan is just one of those guys. He's you know he kind of changed the game. He's just like if you're skimming the surface. Obviously his offensive mind was something that changed the game. I always think about mike. Shanahan and the freezing of the kicker. I know that's a very minuscule thing. Compared to what he has done in his career but he he created that and some teams. They utilize that. So it's a that's one of the many things that shanahan's brought to the table. Oh yeah yeah. You're one hundred percent right. And like i said you you look at the coaching tree. And what kyle doing now and these are all variations dominant. Babies are all variations of what mike shanahan brought to the nfl. And what he's done. And i don't think just that he should be in the hall of fame. I think it's something that will happen. Eventually but i mean he had to be in the ring of fame. I this is. This is a good first step for him And very very but one of the things as well. It'd besides back super bowl. This what he did in the two thousands where he didn't have the hall of fame quarterback and the three year stretch tendon six ten six and then of course there's thirteen and three season where he brought the broncos to the afc championship game. He was not just a product of john. You're absolutely right. I mean jake. Plumber was a good quarterback but he that years act that year that they went to the to the afc championship loss to the steelers. I believe that that year jake plumber. I think for half the season or so. We were kinda whispering hayes. Jake plumber like a dark horse for the mvp. So it's really cool. How like shanahan kind of research. That guy's career. Oh yeah there's no doubt about that man you just wonder if him and jay cutler would've stayed together longer. What that would have been because the talent don. Jay was so obvious and mike and him. We're starting to click but then obviously bulletin very different. Directions yeah i think about that often too and the stretch you know with with mike shanahan all the all the different things that surrounded his career john being an assistant with the broncos. Getting fired by the raiders. Shortly into what his second season. I think and then being removed from the broncos as an assistant coach because dan reeves is like paranoid that he thinks she hands like gunning for his job. Like there's so much history. Much rich broncos history with mike shanahan. Yeah and then on top of that. I mean it's perfect that he's going into the ring fame officially And being unveiled in for raiders week. Because he was twenty one and seven against the rangers than just showed the raiders time and time again. What a mistake it was that they let him go. And you think about that too and you think about how just he just wanted to beat the raiders. I mean that. That's when that rivalry was really strong. Because shanahan hated the raiders. And some people even non shanty for that. They're like dude. You spend too much time. Trying to figure out the raiders and not enough time trying to beat everybody else exactly. I mean the twenty one and seven record is just incredible. And then i mean in his career with the broncos over six hundred winning percentage for for him so over fifty percent of the time he had a win one hundred and thirty eight and eighty six record for the broncos the the best coach they've ever had no question. I mean it was funny. Because i was thinking about the nuggets today because we had jerry schimmel talking about george carlin i was thinking has mike malone surpass. George karl as the head coach. And it's a debate and you still got doug moe at the top But for the broncos. There's no debate. Is there no no no. There's no debate. I mean you gotta start with the super bowl. He has to only one other person has one and it was Gary back and he was he was only here for two years. Now gary kubiak should also be in the in the ring of fame The because of all of his contributions to the broncos of course as john's backup then the then the great offensive coordinator with mike And then of course. Winning the super bowl is well. What did you think. Zack you know looking back at the shanahan days. His his last year with the broncos. It'll be as great. As was those last few years. He was kind of more or less a five hundred coach. And the broncos were like are we we got. It was kind of like the george karl thing it's like. Hey we're we're tired of being just kind of kind of good. We need to find a way to take that next step. I mean that's set up this chain reaction of so many things. Shanahan is linked. He's like kevin bacon. He's linked to every portion of the broncos they bring josh mcdaniels arguably one of the worst eras in broncos history and then you know that's what kind of gets john elway coming in and and eventually helping out with that side of it and then gary kubiak the super bowl the peyton manning like it set off this new chain-reaction of all these other great things and controversial things for the broncos. Yeah it really did. And like you said he's pretty much tutsi organization in in every era and especially. I mean just a couple of years ago. Remember his name was brought up. Gone away wanted to hire but the kazakh on it. That would have been something else if he came back for a second sin and you talked about those last three years. That's the broncos went thirteen and three and two thousand five and just missed out on the super bowl they went nine and seven seven to nine and eight and eight in the way those seasons ended was the end of what was the reason. The broncos moved on my show not only was was the five hundred records is not good enough for pat bolan but the way they ended and just they. They should have made the playoffs those years but at the end of the season they just completely fell off specifically in two thousand eight and that was just too hard for pat bull and to go through. And what's crazy Brady and unfortunate right now is the broncos would be thrilled with the five hundred season. Now you know if they're nine and eight everyone at the end of the season saying okay. Maybe a little disappointing after the three in starkville. Look that's four. More wins than the broncos had last year. It's going in that direction and that sort of season was just not good enough ten years ago. For the broncos roy things have changed. Haven't they in chennai was a part of of of raising those expectations. Just like john elway was and now like you said zach. We're we're at a point where we're like. Just don't lose to a team. Like the raiders who just moved well. They moved on from their head coach. Like we're at this point. Where can you win games. Can you win eight games just to kind of look at the playoffs and things have changed over the years. Yeah they certainly have and like you said this game this weekend brady as an absolute must win for the broncos. The season really rise on this game because at the broncos are able to win this game then therefore and to you know it's still disappointing. The last couple of weeks but at the end of the day four and two they will have a winning record by the time the by comes around and play offs will be in their grasp Ju just right after the bye. They'll be able to make a push if they're able to but if they don't win this game brady and one week from now. We're very likely talking about some significant changes likely on the coaching staff. Because if they don't win this game. I mean they the the train is off the track. And it's going to be bad against cleveland. Oh in just six days from now. Maybe ask mark shanahan to stick around the hanging. Mike we might call you a week. I made only a couple of years ago. That was that was john. Elway plan right zach. Tell us a little bit about this. Raiders team obviously derek carr with everything going on. He's having himself a really good season. I'll be curious to see how that impacts him without group anymore. But tell us about this raiders team because before they were in the headlines and the talk of the nfl with gruden situation. This team has kind of been an interesting ride. I mean they started off pretty red hot couple of weeks later. You're wondering all right. Or the raiders. The real deal here so talk to us a little bit about. Let's go on the offensive side of the ball. To what do they do. Well that the broncos need to be ready for you said derek. Carr i mean when they started three a no. He was averaging over four hundred passing yards per game which is just insane. He had a four hundred and thirty five passing our game. Three hundred eighty two and three hundred. Eighty six brady. If you have games over an entire season that's fantastic. You start off and go three straight games with that. That is unbelievable. But then the last two games when they've really struggled on offense they've only put up fourteen and nine points so averaging you know just just like twelve points per game here that derek has been very disappointing kick to his standards. Only one hundred ninety six passing are in two hundred and six passing are so. That's the formula to beat the raiders. Here is they have talented running back. But they don't really use them and they don't even try to use them and with the raiders. It's about just slowing down. Derek carr brady. The broncos should be a team that's in great position to slow them down. I mean look at von miller. Look at this past defense. It should be the best pass defense in the nfl but it should be. It hasn't been the past couple of weeks. When we have lamar jackson. Dicey you let ben ben rothlisberger find the fountain of youth against your next week. So if the broncos pass defense shows up the win this game if they don't they're cards going to take over and i fully expect their cards to be the guy to try to dominate this game for the raiders after all the chaos this week. He's the leader on their team. So i expected to all be on his shoulders and brady. He's the guy that can absolutely have success if everything's on his shoulders i'll be curious to see how aggressive this defense is. And one of the things. I'd love to see and i know they got the fumble force but i i wanna see some of those game changing plays von miller break in free getting one of those strip sacks and a guy picking it up and going a little bit with maybe even taking the distance. Maybe this is that game where we see. Patrick ser tan come up with a big time play. Somebody needs to make a play not a good tackle force a punt at the fifty or whatever i'd like to see one of those momentum's shifting plays by this defense great that mouly created that last week and and maybe melik read will continue to do that but braiding. Why aren't the you know. The second highest paid safety in the nfl. One of the highest paid pass rushers in von miller and of course has played safety. Justin simmons And you know. The ten million dollar cornerbacks ronald darby. Who has been out. So that's not on him but kyle fuller. Who's just getting cooked. But why are these guys the one making plays on top of your maliki reeves of the road. These guys need to step up and also the interior of the defensive line. They've been fine. But i think it's fair to say they're gonna little disappointing. They've been getting some push. They have one combined shack. She'll be here. Says one factor jones have not a single stack this year. This offseason they were talking about having ten sacks Each having seven sex. We are so far away from that. I mean the the high paid guys on defense for the most part brady have been pretty darned disappointing. You know you need your stars to shine in a game like this because you know you're sitting at three and two it's not the end of the world that's a nice looking record but when you look at how we got here that's when you start to worry okay. You beat three bad teams. You lost to a really good team in baltimore. And then you lost to a team on the road i get it. It's early but still we have a lot of questions about pittsburgh. So you need your stars to step up and get this thing back on the right track zach. Let's look over on the offensive side of the ball again. I sell a broken record. But can we run a lot of times with devante. Williams and melvin gorgeous. Give him the ball all the time. Just wanna see. hey. I totally agree with that. And against this raiders team. Brady you absolutely should be able to the raiders. Statistically are very interesting on their offense inside of the ball. Like i said they're incredible path team On the defensive side of the ball. They're actually really good against the past. They just don't get interceptions but they're really good at limited against the bat however they don't run the ball like i said they don't use josh jacobson kenyan drake and on the defensive side of ball. They can't stop the run and also their team is bad in the run game on offense and defense good in the passing game on offense and defense. That's something that the broncos should absolutely try to expose. they're giving up four point six yards per. Rush on defense. Melvin gordon is averaging four point seven devante williams is averaging four point six. If you're anywhere close to those numbers you should be in iraq thirty times this year and the broncos are so far away from doing that so far this season you know. Each of these guys is getting less than ten rushing attempts per game over the last two games. Don't don't wait until the second half to try to establish the run. Do it in the first half and don't be so predictable though either. You don't just want to run the ball to save most. We ran it twenty times. You wanna do it with the right circumstance In the right purpose because brady in the first half last week the broncos ran the ball on every single i down. That's too predictable. Unless you're averaging you know five to six yards per carry on those well then yeah keep doing it. Because that's your identity really good but you know with the broncos work doing that. They were just setting themselves up in second long and then that turned into third and long. And it's really hard for any good quarterback to have success on third long. Let alone just any quarterback it's like you said it's almost like pat. Shurmur was flipping the media the bird just running it so pretty but you know what we don't want we don't want to take these personal grudges. You need to do. What's right for this football team and figure it out. Because i was act we've talked about this religiously this team we like teddy bridgewater and maybe he can do some really big things. But i still think this team goes a thorough defense is elite top five and they're forcing turnovers and then they run the ball. Those are the formulas. And i know it sounds simple right. But that's what we're not seeing so far. Yeah you're one hundred percent right. That's exactly the formula and look. That was the formula in the first couple of weeks. Broncos team looks fantastic in the first three weeks because their defense was stellar. Giving up eight points per game and on top of that. Their offense is their offense was doing really good. It felt like they were doing better than they actually wear. 'cause they didn't actually have a thirty point game so the formula would perfectly intact the first three games of the season and then what happened. It blew up. The offense went from you. Know a borderline top ten offense to about five offense in the league and the defense even more disappointing with from you know the best defense in the nfl. One of the two best defense is in the nfl and the first three games these past two weeks they'd been in the bottom kind of nearly every single statistical category and the raiders. They're a good team and not a great team but they're they can look like a great team if you look like the way you have the past couple of weeks. This is a crossroads for the broncos for sure if they lose to the raiders. I don't know that it gets fired like you said you gotta go to thursday if you somehow beat the browns and maybe that changes things but if you lose to the raiders. We've got a lot of big questions surrounding this team. If you beat the raiders you go to foreign he give yourself a shot on thursday night football against the browns to turn this whole thing around. So we're at a crossroads right now zac. How's it going down. Man you see the broncos taking care of business and kind of getting this thing role in the right way. Then they've got to brady. they have to or else. It's going to be hard to look at any other game on the schedule. And say the broncos a win that maybe outside of detroit the owen. Five detroit lions. Although they're they're going to be playing for dan campbell. They they love dan campbell over there but outside of that game dunk. Was this one. It's going to be a very grim outlook for their season. And on top of that. Not just so. The broncos have desperation this week. Which is like i said about pittsburgh last week. That's not something that you can calculate. And that's not something you can. Replicate the raiders. Wow they have some desperation. They have way bigger problems going on there like we talked about in the early the week. They probably spend half the time of this week. Focusing on football and in a game. That's all about preparation that has to hurt them. So i am given the nod to the broncos the over under forty four. I liked it to be over. I like both teams. Actually show some offense which means that the defense may be a little disappointing on the broncos them. But i'm going twenty seven twenty three twenty seven twenty three and i just looked at minus four right now for the broncos so there you go zac appreciate spot on man. Appreciate you as always. There's nobody better. You continue to grow in this in this industry and man. It's an honor to get you on now two times a week. We love talking broncos with you. My friend and i love being on. Thanks so much for having me. Brady time zak stevens. Dnv bronco seriously go follow him z. A. c. stevens d. vr. Nobody better in my opinion. he's just a. He's flat out getting after thirty nine minutes after they are. Don't forget coming up in about an hour. So i'll have my picks up five and one last week. We're feeling fantastic with our local picks. This is one where i'm going to say. Hey we feel great about this thursday special not so much but when it comes to the weekends local picks you it would. It would be a very good idea to tune in and listen to the pick segment coming up in the second hour. Thirty nine minutes after the hour. Let's jump out here real fast angel. Get the latest on. The local sports flash.

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Gold Diggers: Full 49ers Chiefs Preseason Preview + Fantasy Draft Tips

Niners Nation

37:22 min | 2 months ago

Gold Diggers: Full 49ers Chiefs Preseason Preview + Fantasy Draft Tips

"What is good everybody. Welcome to the rebranded very first episode of the gold diggers podcast. I'm rob stats with michelle. Maggio michelle we got a new logo. We got a new show title. We got preseason. Football things are good. Things are fantastic. Are you know. There's two football games on last night. I really enjoyed the steelers game. Obviously but i also enjoyed watching. Jalen hurts out there. I'm rooting for him. Big time this year and we have so many more games this weekend to pay attention to including the forty niners first achieves which will be getting into a time. But how excited are you getting to see your boy trae lance out there on an actual field playing football. I cannot wait. I'm counting the seconds until the game starts. I'm like giddy just thinking about all week. We've been talking about it. We know that kyle shanahan said he's going to be out there for most of the first half or about thirty snaps. Whatever comes first which is like a significant amount of time like i'm super super pumped about this. We're gonna get into all of that. I want to remind everybody if you haven't done it yet. Subscribe to the niners nation. Podcast network you'll get are daily shows. You'll get all of our long form shows. We're gonna stream after the game on saturday. Instant reaction show on the niners nation youtube channel. We want your feedback. Your thoughts everything. We're going to be all there for you so we have tons of stuff going on. Please give us a follow if you haven't already so this is the first week michelle that we sort of. Get to do what this show is designed to do. This is our preview show. It's our friday show so every week we're going to dive into the match up at the forty nine years. Have we're gonna answer your fantasy questions as well and we're going to debut a new feature on the show called nuke block which if you're unfamiliar there's a website you can go to on twitter. You can nuke blocks someone. It blocks the tweet. It blocks the author and everybody liked the tweet gets automatically blocked so it's basically a person a narrative an idea that we just totally want to get out of our lives so we're going to debut that later today but oh my god. We're so close to football. Like real football. How did you react when you got to see your boy nausea harris out there and do you think that i will react similarly when i see track if you're pulling out your hair than possibly because it is going to be a frustrating year that often to line is going to be terrible but they were creating no holes and then the two great plays. He had where he gained over ten yards. Hurdled kept trying to hurt. Oh guys it's like okay. It's preseason relaxed. But he hurdled two guys or one guy kinda failed at doing it and then deflects came out because often line held and both place. I'm like his two amazing plays in both were held back so his you know his game stats terrible but he looked good other what matters a game stats looking terrible. By the way shoutout. Nick mullins one of five were two interceptions view on his first interception was like i just know stats is loving this right now just like yeah you take him you. Take him away from us please. I have seen that movie before. That's all i'm gonna say he's going to look different when he doesn't have kyle shanahan calling plays. I am so glad that i am free from the nick. Mullins throwing the ball down the field. The receiver has to stop and wait for it and here comes the defender to jump in front of it. We're done with that michelle. You know my favorite thing was that there was actual real twitter accounts out there at. Pf even tweeted out. Joe flacco coming for that quarterback one spots because he threw a ball negative three yards and quiz. Watkins uses speed and talent to get all the way to the end zone. But apparently that's joe flacco is doing. His talent just willed watkins to be a very speedy man. Hey you know what it's worth for jimmy garoppolo for a long time. It's got him a fiercely devoted and loyal fan base. Let's start there. Kyle says jimmy. And the starters are gonna play for one series and trae lance is gonna play thirty snaps like i said. Here's the problem. Shell is that. The forty niners have sort of boxed themselves into a corner because they haven't just said well. We're going to go with jimmy. And then maybe if trae can outplay him. Who win the job. They have tried to sell us. The jimmy garoppolo is a better jimmy garoppolo. Then we've seen right. He can't just be that guy that's throwing that pass negative three yards like you were just talking about. He's got to do more. And i know it's only a series but like i i kinda wanna see like okay jimmy. You're supposed to be like on your best game. What do you got for us. Well that's of the issue here right. They're only giving him one series. That's a lot of pressure on the man. Because i most teams. I'm seeing so farming. We've only had three preseason games but the first drive is not pretty like you need a second to get going. So if you're going to compare jimmy garoppolo on his first drive to trae lance getting multiple drives getting going and get you know the fan base is really going to start loving on trae lance very quickly If he warms up. But yeah what i want to see jimmy. Garoppolo is we already know. You can hit the five yard passes. Don't even try that. We know you can do that. You don't need a practice. That throaty not even deep. Can you throw fifteen yards stumpf field fifth time. I would love to see that by the way maybe kyle control all the fan base. I play right play action. Chuck it deep down the field. If you're jimmy. Maybe you hit the touchdown and then bam. That's your one drive. You drop the mic in your done for the night. They really really should do that. I really believe it because if they want to spam days to tobacco okay. We're okay with jimmy garoppolo for at least a little bit. We know tran trae. Lance is our future but will hold on jimmy for at least the first half of the season. That's what you need to see. That's what i want to see it. I wanted to brandon. i. I want to go deep. You do the fake and him you know but the the worst part would be jimmy. Garoppolo missed him. Like if i use the anger up will miss him you. I don't know if shanahan has the balls to risk. That's the gamble right. If you're gonna try and troll everybody throw deep especially if you overthrow at like. He overthrew emmanuel sanders in the super bowl. If you're gonna miss you can't miss long to if jimmy garoppolo Yeah like i. I don't know how much we're going to see from him. But i would like to see him at least look decisive. Sometimes he drops back michelle and the first reads not open and then like you could see him. Poop his pants on the field. He's feet start going crazy. He gets happy feet starts looking all over the place. He's incapable of extending the play and so he either makes a stupid throw into coverage or he takes the sack now. And you know one thing. I really wanna see tonight. I know shanahan said that. A lot of the starters will only start the first drive right. I do hope that they allow you know. I you and maybe not george biddle. He's too important. But some of these starters on offense to play with trae lance that give him this opportunity to show what he can do with some of the starters. I'm not saying everyone has to still play out there the whole first half but i do think you should be out there the whole time with him. Let them build that connection. Obviously you don't want anyone to get hurt but if they're going to get hurt it's probably you know you gotta you gotta risk it a little bit. I would like to see that. Kyle claims he's gonna take all the starters out when jimmy comes out like you don't have to play all of them at the same time right like maybe you throw i you just for one play with trae lance or just deebo like i agree like give him a little bit of ron with those guys. We'll see if it actually happens. I'm like anything trae lance does. I'm going to be giddy. I'm going to be with my notes at my notebook and pen like writing. How does he roll out. How does he does he get in. And out of the huddle. Can you get the playoff without having a delay of game. Michelle said this week. He's never had someone in his helmet calling. Plays before like literally everything about this is going to be new for trae lights. Yeah and one thing. I really wanna see is the how much is he passing like. How long does he allow himself to stay back there before he takes off and run. Because we saw north dakota state. He only averaged seventeen passing attempts to game his career. There like that so little any ran a lot a lot which is fine. Worked there right and we've seen it work in that lamar jackson. That's going to be fine if that's what he does but i would like to see him at least in the preseason. Hold stay back there. Let's see what you can do. See we figure out through your reads and then obviously if everything breaks down. Then we want to see what he can do with his legs. That'll be fun But i want him to stay patient in the pocket a little bit. I cannot wait to see him run. Because i think he's gonna be faster than people think. Oh he's so fast. And i just think it's going to be so exciting from a from a a fan standpoint watching it. He drops back to pass it. Mike mcglinchey probably won't be in the game at this point but a pass rusher comes free. Maybe the plays not over at that point right maybe drake and run around to his left ron to his right or you know. Imagine if he made a guy miss in the backfield for example and then take off down the field and the one thing that i thought was really interesting. He said every time trey takes off to run or any quarterback. He's talking to him. What are you gonna do at this point. How are you going to protect yourself. Are you planning on going out of bounds. Are you going to slide. Are you gonna do this. And i want to see if trae has that instinct. Because that's something. I feel like doesn't change for players like you either. Have it like russell. Wilson and lamar jackson like they do not take big hits. They have that instinct to protect themselves. Or you don't like a guy. Kyle shanahan very familiar with an rg three. Who never understood that he was a tiny little man. And the defenders in the nfl were huge and he constantly got himself hurt. And i want to see where trade is on that spectrum and trays a pretty big did. So he's now the handle hits like he's not as big as cam newton. but he's also not a small lamar jackson like somewhere in the middle of their closed through the cam. Not and i think we're looking at opposite things here though. I like forty nine view so excited to see him ride. But i already note. He's a fantastic runner. He's so elusive. This is almost of cam. Newton shorter but then he runs like the mark jackson. It's insane. His athletic ability is out of this world. So i already know he can do that. I am looking at the. I am so focus on his passes and i want him. I caution is so good at getting guys wide open. So that's fantastic for him. Because that's what he did at. North dakota state was throwing guys wide open. I need to see him. Completes passes tonight in tight windows. And that's not tonight this weekend. I that's what i'm looking for like. Can he get those passes accurately into tight windows and is he succeeding because he only had twelve big time throws throughout his college career. According to pf in big time throws are when they're looking at that stat it is a pass with excellent ball location and timing generally thrown further down the field and or into a tighter window so he was up five point three percent in his career of his passing attempts. And when you're looking at the other quarterbacks taken in the first round fields at eight point. Three mac jones at seven. Zach wilson. Six point nine trevor lawrence at six point eight. And then you saw trae lance down there at five point three. I need to see making the tight window. Throws that's that's my biggest concern and you mentioned the ball placement to. That's something i'm going to be watching like. yes. I want him to complete the past. But there's a difference as you know michelle of thrown behind the guy where he has to reach back in just to make the catch and hitting the guy in strides that he can take off down the field and have a much bigger play. Kyle's offense designed to for guys to be hit in stride. Really take advantage of their yards after catch. So i'm going to see if trae can put it on guys in the right spot and sometimes it's putting it on them so they can run but sometimes it's putting it on their back shoulder so you protect them from a big hit from a linebacker or defensive back so this ball placement is something. I'm going to be watching in protecting. Your pass. catchers is so important. If you want to know what. I'm talking about go watch mason. Rudolph throw pass. He tries to gaze catchers murdered like murdered. He almost got killed last night the week before that he tried to get click chase. Clayton will kill twice. That's such an important factor out of the quarterback is knowing a what not to throw it to them because they're going to get killed but also the right placement so they're not you know adjusting. They don't know where the defender is all the time so they don't have to make that adjustment. Put it in the right spot where it's safe for them. That is also something. I will definitely be watching on a train lance and jimmy garoppolo like we need to see this out of both of these guys absolutely all right. Let's take a break when we get back. We can talk about some of the other players. We're going gonna watch tonight. Maybe take some fantasy questions and we're going to do our nuke buck our new feature as well stay with us. We'll be right back. Thanks to t mobile for supporting this episode. Enter keeping baseball fans around the country connected to the game. Because when you're on america's largest and fastest five gene network you get more than great coverage you get to stay close to your favorite team whether you're at home or on the road in other words t mobile is your ticket to the game. Make the switch to t mobile leader in five g. today that's this according to open signal awards based on average speeds in usa five experience report. April two thousand twenty one c five g. device coverage and access details at t. Mobile dot com back here on the gold diggers podcast. We have talked about the quarterbacks. And i could keep doing that forever but i wanna move on. You mentioned deebo samuel and brandon. Iu i want to see a couple of things from them one. I mean no one gets universally praise like brandon. I you've sung praises on this show. Kyle has been at practice and he keeps saying how basically the only one that could even come close to guarding him. His jason ver to see this jump from brandon. Iu because we're talking up a big game. But i've seen that happen with forty niners wide receivers before cough cough dante pettis cough cough so i would like to see. I show me something tomorrow night. And don't worry about the dante. Pettis thing i don have had has got put in the doghouse. Kyle shanahan just did not like him. and i don't think he was as talented overall. Is brandon you so what. I don't think we have to worry about that. And he has been shining in practice. I wanna see deebo samuel. Get out of this healthy. Is he playing even like are they going to put them out there because it seems like he can't be touched without some type of hamstring and groin injury or foot injury ankle injury. Like that's my biggest concern out of devaux. And i honestly if they're going to be using diba short i don't wanna see that's not what i want to see yes again. That's not what i want to do this weekend. So keep deebo out. If that's needed. I needed to see this long ball. Or intermediate ball even yes. I was literally the next thing i was gonna say. Kyle hasn't as far as i know hasn't released the full list of the active and inactive Just real quick. No nick bosa set in this game. No deformed in this game no jalen hurd in this game. Which i'm really kinda bummed about because we're been dying to see this guy now going on three years but by nuke nuke. Jailer is not going to be a thing. I'm sorry he's not come on. We're trying to make fetch happened. Michelle not dealing heard is just not hit three catches yesterday. Come on how kyle loves him like to hear talk about him. He wants jalen hurd to be healthy enough to get on the field but literally. He said this week like time is running out for him to make the roster then magically by the way jalen hurd was in eleven eleven the next day of practice. I wonder what what will say. I'm more talking fantasy here. He could still help the forty niners overall in their offense. It's just never going to be involved enough to be a fantasy. Asa in my brain goes to fantasy very often. Yes And we're going to. I wanna get into that with deebo samuel. Because supposedly he's been you know getting down the field working not just those negative three yard passes but actually working as a real wide receiver down field getting open on some deep balls. I've seen some highlights of depot catching some deep balls from a fantasy perspective. Let's say deebo comes out tomorrow night and lights it up. And it's catching deep balls down the field and all preseason. He does that like he looks really really good from a fantasy perspective. Is that enough for you to maybe bump him up in your drafts or you like who cares. It's preseason nothing. He does is really going to change it one way or the other probably nothing will change it too much honestly if he starts doing that then. His draft price will increase a lot. And then i'm definitely not touching him. Because i already not interested at its current draft price which is not even until the eighth or ninth round. But if you starts creeping up in the six seventy i'm not. I'm not touching him. i'm happy to at brandon. I but the thing is this team runs through george kettle. And i think it will also be second through brandon. There's just not enough passing attempts in this offense to make deebo samuel consistent fantasy asset and i. i don't really care. If we see that he's connecting the passes like he's still going to be used shore and his average target is just going to be way too way too short to be able to. You know you're going to have to need ten targets out of him to have a good fancy day or he has to get into the end zone and those are just two things. I don't want to rely on my wide receiver three on my team. Does that change at all. If lance is named the starter. I think it might make it worse for him. Rookie quarterback isn't going to support three great fantasy assets like through. It doesn't it doesn't happen and he's going to take off and run so much more often so the short passes that depot does get those will probably turn into trey lance scrambles instead of passing to short. He's gonna take off and run. So yeah if trae lance becomes a starter. I think that's going to hurt. Deebo samuel even more. I'm still happy to take brandon. I with trae lance still have to take the rich ghetto but not not diba. Are you buying into all this. Trench sherefield hype. It is unbelievable in practice. Like no one is getting more. Loved than tread. schofield. And i'm sitting here like hello. Haven't we done this before. Tren taylor used to get like the preseason camp award. every year. he looked amazing. And then you get on the field when he got on the field and he was healthy and he was nothing. It was just a regular dude out there now. This year it's trench field. People are talking about how you looks like antonio brown out there like antonio brown you know michele antonio brown we're talking about just rent sherefield what's going on. Every single team has a guy that looks amazing and practice and then he doesn't do anything on the field and he barely sees the field so no no. I'm not taking that not doing anything with that. Like albert wilson for the dolphins right now is supposed to be the next lake wide receiver. One in the nfl. Apparently he's amazing. It's like yet but he's not going to see the ball because you. You drafted jalen waddell. You have devante. Parker you just sign will fuller and then you still have mike sticky. Who when is albert. Wilson gonna see the ball and it's just like they're every team. Has that hyped up player. And if we've seen them in the nfl now and they haven't done anything. I just don't even let it hit my brain just block it out instantly thank you. You are only niners. Nation hosts that agrees with me on this like. What are we talking about here but you know how it goes michelle to right. You get down and your fantasy draft last couple rounds. Maybe you need to draft a certain player to fill out a position requirement depending on your league and you see the names pop up and you're like oh trent sherfield has been getting a lot of running practice. Maybe doesn't matter pop into your head at that point absolutely. Not my biggest thing is you never take. I don't waste picks on veterans that we know are not a thing like tevin coleman will never be one of my picks like a guy like that where we know. They have absolutely no upside like if they have no upset. I'm not taking them. I'll happily take a rookie wide receiver late. That at least has a one percent chance of hit. They might absolutely suck. They might give you nothing but at least then you can drop them. Move on take someone else. But i'm not taking someone. I already know the not wasting a pick that they have zero upside. I'm still looking for league winners at the end of the draft. Is it likely you hit no but at least one percent chance. And when you're taking these guys that have never done anything in their career. You're saying okay. I'm just throwing this pick in the garbage and lighting up and you can always pick up one of those guys on the waiver wire. Oh yeah trent will never be picked up the entire season. Don't worry about it you can grab them whatever you want if you're so decided to play him. I'm amazed it happens every year every year with every single team. And i get like. It's all about hope right now. Unless you're texans fan it's all about you know what could be in but i just. I'm amazed that we fall into the same trap over and over and over again all right. That's kind of eight on the offensive side of the ball. I think for me Well actually you know what. I take that back trae sermon. I wanna see trae sermon. It's somebody that you've talked about. You love trae sermon Presumably he's going to get a decent amount of run tomorrow night and you've got a chance i think michelle. He's got a chance. Maybe the best chance of any rookie to start week. One or be like the lead player at his position. Yeah and i hope they give them some snaps with the lead with the first team offense behind the first team offense li- like i want to see what he can do. Those big holes. I want to see how many defenders he can make miss because there he's not going to go down easily with the tackle so if they give him the holes to work and he can build up his speed as well and like. Just be a monster when he's running through these defenders like. I'm really excited to see that. And i want to see how defenders are able to stop trae lance and also whatever running back is back there like how are they going to defend those two. If trae lands is running off in the game. I i wanna see how much that affects. Defenses isn't it. How many holes that leaves open for the running backs and one little sorta interesting. Twist is that andy. Reid said he's going to leave his starters in on defense for about the first quarter. So we're going to get the chance to see trae lance and trae sermon and everybody else against the chiefs ones. Which you know for the hype train for lance is going to be unbelievable because he's going to be playing with the second team offense going up against the chiefs first team defense. He does anything. People are gonna lose their minds but in terms of sermon an lands. Like i feel like that's a really good evaluation if he's going up against a once. Yeah and i also want to see a larger mitchell out there. I wanna see what he can do. I want to make this team over. Wayne gelman type of player so if he can perform out there as well. I'm going to be keeping an eye on him. He reminds me a lot of really moster. So you know maybe if he performs really well this preseason over the next couple of games maybe they move on from him moster who knows. I still think most important part of this offense. But i'm just so excited about trae sermon. That i want most off ashley but i do think he's actually pretty important. Piece at this offense elisha. Mitchell got a lotta love from kashan as a pass catcher and a lot of the niners because were saying that he may kind of carve out a third down type of role because like you said he's fast as hell. I think he ran like a four three something forty yard dash and if he can catch the ball out of the backfield. Kyle loves that guy. He tried to do that. He tried to have that guy with jerick mckinnon. He tried to have that guy with kevin coleman. He's never really been able to find it. But hopefully that's an interesting role for elisha mitchell. Speaking of that guy in that role. Let's get to our new feature michelle. It's called nuke block like we said it is a website you can go to on twitter block the tweet the author and anyone that likes it. It's a way to get some terrible narrative or person out of your life entirely law. Michelle what do you got for this week. This is actually perfect. Because the forty niners play against the chiefs and this player is on the chiefs. Jerick mckinnon is being talked up a lot out of the reporters out of patrick mahomes. He's just very very impressed with jerick mckinnon. He thinks he's going to be a big part of this offense. And it's like how many off-seasons can we hear this about derrick mckenzie. And then he comes out and he does. I don't wanna say absolutely nothing like he's he's going to be slightly a part of this offense but i don't think any more than any other backup running back in the league like of course he's going to get on the field these going to get some targets but if they're really going to take the ball out of a mahomes hands for him the run or when they decide to run it's not clydes layer and it's jerk mckinnon like what are you doing because mckinnon could only average three point nine yards per carry in a kyle. Shanahan offense like that seems impossible running backs you throw it. You could throw me back there. I could get four point five yards. Not right here. Shifty get like negative twenty yards but decides the point. If jerick mckinnon can't succeed on the ground in cal- shanahan's offense like he's not gonna do it with chiefs now they haven't talking about as a pass catcher but still very good. Pass catching running back. I just don't know why you would take him off the field for jerick mckinnon. Who once you get the ball in his hands. He's not going to do very much like his legs are shot he shot. I don't believe this narrative whatsoever and people are actually getting excited about drafting him late. Like i don't want any part of it. No no like all you need to know about jerick mckinnon. You can find one play. Go to the jets game last year. It was third and thirty one and the forty niners handed the ball jerick mckinnon and he breaks through the line and he's got nothing nothing but green grass ahead of him and he tries to go into an extra year and it just like the chain popped off the bicycle like he doesn't have it he couldn't go anywhere his legs like you said they're shot. We saw proof of it on the field. Almost any other running back in the league and that's spot is going to run for a touchdown. He was wide open. And you literally see him just decelerate because he doesn't have anything left. That guy is not going to be the guy for you especially like you said if you have clyde edwards allaire a young guy a dynamic player the guy last year michelle. That was the camp darling for the chiefs right. Everyone talked about how much of a weapon he was going to be. Why are you going to put him on the bench for jerk mckee for broadcast jerick mckinnon. I'm sorry it makes absolutely no sense and we saw the same reports. Come out last year about jerick mckinnon. Why it's like the same players. Get all this hype. Every single year we saw the same height that jerick mcginn was gonna be a big part of the forty niners offense and to be ferried. It'd get forty six targets but now no that's not gonna help you in fantasy and that's not i don't i think more the the bigger reason why he saw any workload with the forty niners is because no one can stay healthy so he had to get out there at times. But you don't really have that issue with the chiefs and if tied allaire stays healthy. I don't get why you would take him out very often for jerick mckinnon. of course it'll be sometimes. But i just don't see him having that big of a role in this offense jerick mckinnon. Let's let the fascination. Just die please. We're just be done with that. Is there anything out of the defensive side of the ball that you want to see from the forty niners thing. I don't want to shortchange the defense. I mentioned no bosa no ford. I can't believe we're even talking to like ford. Might actually play. I'm stunned if you told me this. Like six months ago. I never would have believed driza. He was done in the nfl. But is there anything defensively from the niners that you wanna see. Those two guys are out. But i still wanna see pressure from defensive line. The chiefs have five new off the lineman. So they're going to be out there all together for the first time that the line should be -ality force pressure onto patrick mahomes or whoever. The quarterback is back there. We'll see how long mahomes plays. We'll see if he actually plays a full half. But i wanna see pressure. Because last year they only had thirty six We need to get that up only one hundred and twenty six pressures. The fourth fewest in the nfl last year. Three point three seconds to hurry time to hurry the quarterback which was the slowest in the nfl. Waiting to see that increase. Because i've already mentioned a million times. I'm worried about the secondary and if that the front is not putting pressure on the quarterback it's going to be ugly. I'm not too worried about the secondary in this game because it just feels like in. Preseason you don't really show everything you're kind of soft like they're gonna be eaten up pretty much live at. We see it other steelers secondary. To and i don't expect them to be bad so i'm not there's not going to be too much vacancy out of the secondary but i do want to see quarterback pressure from the defense. Those are the two things i'd like to see. I would love to see a couple of quick pressures from giovane. Kin law just to sorta get everybody off his back a little bit. I thought he had a fine rookie season. He wasn't amazing. he wasn't deforest. Buckner out there. But he was fine at the defensive tackle. I'd love to see him. Get a couple of quick pressures. And i wanna see how the rookies play in the secondary. I wanna see embry thomas. I wanna see commodore lenore. What's the talanoa who fog another guy. That's been getting a lotta love recently especially with the forty niners issues that safety. How the rookies play. Those are the guys that are going to get the most run tonight. Those are the two biggest things. I'd like to see because if one of those rookies in the secondary can flash at all michelle. I would feel so much better about the niner's secondary as a whole. Yeah and how do you. How do you feel about the ha ha clinton dix signing. Are you excited about that. I mean he's he hasn't been as good as he once was earlier on in his career. But i still think it was a good signing peace. First of all i love a good name. Signing ha ha clinton dix is when all time. Nfl name and love it. And i'm always supporting bringing those guys on the team. I don't think he's going to be. I mean this is a guy that was on the cowboys. Roster at the beginning of last year got cut and nobody wanted him like the entire rest of the league was like no. We're good so. I can't really expect too much out of him. I know people get excited. Because it's a name they know and he was a first round pick. He's a body. They desperately need a body. But i wouldn't be stunned if he doesn't even make the team although for him like make one play tonight. That would be my goal. Like if tomorrow i should say make one play out there and hopefully you can stick around. Yeah and do you think he'll play already. Are they going to put them out there. This fast i throw them out there like what we got to lose maybe flashes. Maybe doesn't You don't really care that. Obviously you don't want anyone to get injured but if he gets injured like it's not gonna break your season so why not throw them out there. Yeah and they. I mean he can't be worse than the backup safeties. You wouldn't think like you said he didn't even make the team. The cowboys and their defense was absolutely garbage last year. So i'm not too hopeful. But you never know that he might just need a new change of scenery Maybe a more inspirational coach. We see these players who kinda fade off in the nfl. Sometimes their careers do come back to life and they can put together a good season or to be. I don't i don't have too high of hopes. Sorry sorry ha ha clinton dix fans don't mean to to burst your bubble. I just cannot wait i. I constantly refreshing twitter. I'm reading all about trae lance and all the things that he's going to do like he hasn't even played a real football game basically since two thousand nineteen. He hasn't played in a game with fans in it since twenty nine thousand nine. So that's going to be new for him like it is all not. He even talked about this week. He was like the hope that team. Oh tau is going to be new. The pre game ritual is going to be like everything is going to be new. He has so much to handle and worry about an if he makes one play michelle. Just one whether it's running throwing all over social media. It's going to be all over instagram. All the shows are gonna be talking about it. I could see the reaction shows on monday. It's going to be clips of mack jones clips of justin fields and clips of trae lance and the debate and the comparison is going to begin already. Oh my goodness yet. Trae land is going to have to outperform those two. That's for sure because it's already going to start instantly just feels makes a big play. Especially if max jones goes out there and kills it you just those two are going to be tied together forever because of the pre-draft narrative around those two it will be interesting trae. Lance definitely needs to come out and perform right away because there's just going to be a lot of pressure on him but i will be texting you every trae lands such as the ball. I just. I need a reaction from you and i just want to know your thoughts throughout the entire game. So you're talking about the mac jones thing like he's already getting so much love. It is unbelievable. I saw a tweet from pro football. Talk mack jones. Oozes quiet confidence. It's like he's in nfl. For ten years. I know you had one nice deep ball. But like what's what are we talking about here. This is the frustrating thing. If trae lance delivers the exact same stat. Line that mack jones does trae. Lance is going to get dinged mack. Jones is gonna get praised. And that's exactly how it is. It's going to be trevor. Lawrence goes out there and has the same exact stat. Line is zack. Wilson or even trae lance justify jones. Like they're just going to be Lances on this pedestal. Right and he's going to have to outperform all the rest of the rookie quarterbacks and with trae lance he's going to have to outperform justin fields and mack jones just because he was taken well before them and expecially. Mac johnson is forty. Niners fans like absolutely hated. Max jones guts in came at him any person that said that they could draft him like it was bad. It got ugly so if mack jones of having a good career entra trailer outperform him. I it could become ugly. And i just want to say for the record. There are some people out there that think that you were standing for mac jones before the draft for the forty niners. That is not true at all standing for him. I just thought they could take him. And i try to give you reasons why it will be okay trying to talk everyone off the ledge if it happened. I thought he was going to be an okay quarterback. I didn't think it was gonna be that bad. That bad situation now. I was on. I like i was screaming from the mountaintops for justin fields. That's yes that's very clear. But i still think trae lances the better upside pick than mac. John's god i saw mac jones out there and he was fine and that's fine. That's exactly what i thought. Mack jones is going to be safe safer trae lands but freelance has a hundred times higher ceiling. Let's roll the dice out there. And we'll see we'll get our first look at trae lance with the forty niners tomorrow night eight thirty. Pm eastern time five thirty pm. pacific If you're wondering how to watch the game because it's not televised it's not on. nfl network. From everything. I have heard the way to do it is to you can sign up for a free trial of game pass. Nfl game pass and you can watch it stream it with that. So that's what i'm planning on doing. Because obviously i have to see every single snap. I'm going to be noting everything so that you can check that out again. I wanna remind you after the game on the niners nation youtube page. We are doing a live reaction show. We want to get your questions. Your comments your feedback. It's just going to be kind of an unscripted raw thing. We're going to have people popping in all over the place. You definitely want to check that out as well michelle. Is there anything you want to leave. The gentlest are out there with just have fun watching the game. I know how much like. Especially you're going to stress out. And you're going to pick up our every single with trae lance just enjoy. It might not be the prettiest game. It's his first game since two thousand nineteen let them live a little bit. And just just enjoy having a fun quarterback out there that can make fun. Plays on any given play just have fun. Have a drink maybe to calm the nerves just one. I'm going to be multiple drinks in by halftime. I will definitely be multiple drinks at probably really nervous. Because you're not in a big drinker so you must be anxious about it special occasions. I do take out the brown liquor a little bit. Gimmie my old fashioned. I'll be sitting there with those very excited of texting you during this game. Now that i know this you say that now can you say that now. Famous last words. Michelle will see if you regret that. Come saturday night. Enjoy your friday. Everybody that's going to do it for us. Follow the niners nation podcast network. We'll talk to you after the game i am.

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662. Reacting to the 49ers, Dolphins, and Eagles Draft Pick Trades

NFL: Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah & Bucky Brooks

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662. Reacting to the 49ers, Dolphins, and Eagles Draft Pick Trades

"And now move the sticks with daniel jeremiah. And bucky brooks what's up. Everybody walked to move the sticks presented by castrol edge. Dj back with you you doing man. I'm good coming off a busy week. In a loss of a lot of trades and i guess people trying to connect the dots when it comes to players going to go based on the action in activity that we saw at the end of the week. Big pro day. was wilson's property on friday but it was quickly upstaged by all the drama that ensued with the trades at two trades there The big one. The one that sent shockwaves was probably miami. Getting out of three san francisco coming all the way up from twelve in pursuit of their quarterback to replace jimmy garoppolo and then shortly after that Miami ends up coming back from twelve to six swapping philadelphia for a future one so a lot of different layers to get to on this and so i don't even wanna t up which way i want. I wanna go. I wanna give you the floor. Buck i wanna know. Give me your reaction your takeaways from what took place with these traits I think what we're seeing now. More than ever teams are aggressively. Willing to move up the board to you. The quarterback they feel can change the fortunes of the franchise. We've seen it years on years on an. We saw the buffalo bills josh allen. I mean we saw patrick mahomes. The kansas city chiefs. Move up to get him. I think when you're looking at the draft. If you feel like you're handful of quarterbacks that can take your team to the next level. I think you do any and everything that you can do to put yourself in that position. Obviously that's what the forty niners felt. They looked at the class. They feel like. There's one or two quarterbacks in the class that can certainly help them get to the next level and so they wanted to put themselves in a position to grab one of those quarterbacks it was interesting is they've moved up to third spot so that means in my mind that they have to be comfortable with maybe four quarterbacks i mean i guess you could say five because you know trevor lawrence is going at one. Let's just assume that still don't really know what's going to happen at two and so when you at three means you have to have a conversation. Are we comfortable with whoever may be. Either zack wilson. Trae last mag Whatever that looks like And if you are then you can take that because you know that either way you're going to get someone that you can work with. That can prevail you team to greater heights. Yeah look if you're picking three. You need to love three players. You're going to get one of those three guys so to me. You don't make a move like that unless it's for a quarterback so they clearly feel like there are three quarterbacks in the draft that upgrade where they are you know you think back. I know the jets ended up doing the similar trade right. They went from six to three obviously ramblers far before that draft because they were comfortable with who they would get there with the third pick in that draft which we had all those first round quarterbacks so that to me is the magic number. They have three quarterbacks that rely assume that trevor and zach are are two of them. And then what's gotta so Intrigued by this whole process is who's the third and we assume it goes chock. We assume it's going to go. Trevor lawrence won zach. Wilson's going to go to the jets. And then that leaves them with their choice between three guys and initially. I know based on grade we would have said between two guys between Trae lance and just fields. But you've got the mac jones Situation and when i've talked to people that are very plugged in and very trustworthy. They are adamant about the fact that this is. It's not done. But all signs pointing to mack jones and that being a kyle shanahan selection because we say john lynch general manager but kyle shanahan has juice so he's gonna get the quarterback that he prefers in. That's so that's what you hear now. I looked at it for my situation as soon as it moves happen. I thought okay. When he said jimmy garoppolo in our plants which. I don't even know what you take from that you know at a pro day when you know steve white asked him about grop. I don't know what you really can't say. You know at that point in time. But he said he still our so. When you hear that. I'm like oh it's trae lance. They're gonna sit dre lance for a year behind jimmy and then off they go but then that's not what comes back to me information wise now. The interesting thing is when you talk to people that don't need a quarterback general managers in the league evaluators they. They are shocked When you when you talk about this like you trade it all that to go up to get mack jones and they don't see that as a clear substantial upgrade over what you have jimmy garoppolo but they can talk to other people other people that know cow shannon said like nope. This is what he wants to do. And you've kind of referenced this as well buck used the analogy. He wants to play. Kyle wants to play quarterback he's gonna do it from the sideline and he wants out on the field and that's what he's gonna get. If he goes with mac jones. He is going to get there. But i wanna find the quote because The guys of senators quote about What shanahan said after facing josh allen. Yeah more last year by and a more mobile quarterback more options in that now what you wanna do is basically you wanna look for elite traits. You wanna look for. Gada has more than ninety percent of the quarterbacks have and so I understand this and he. Here's what i worry about because like this is what we do. We have a month to go before the draft. And so we're going to speculate about why a let's look back matt shop kirk cousins those guys that he had met ryan lie all of those guys in. Maybe he did wonderful things. But here's the thing when we talk about the shanahan tree you know who they want super bowl with indecision elway and steve young so we can talk about like. Hey man we can do it but dj just because you can do. It doesn't mean you want to do it just because you can do it with may be more of an average quarterback. Does that mean a. I'm a trade up significant draft capital to get what i would say is just a quarterback who to me is not exceptional in terms of his traits. I mean because if we can do that because remember mashhad was a three. Here's a third round quarterback kirk. Cousins was a fourth row quarterback. I know matt ryan was taken in the first round third overall. But it's different because the matt ryan debt. He got was a matt ryan. That had already played in the league for some time and so to think that we're going to compare mag jones to matt ryan met meg. Jones has seventeen starts and hear people talk about. Oh he's the most pro ready. What what did i miss like. What did i miss about that. Because the system at alabama looks like a pro style system. He has seventeen stars. He doesn't have elite physical traits. Yes we can talk about his accu in his mind and processing but awka say may never got hit. These never seen a money pocket. He's never had to do with receivers who couldn't get open. And i know we can go back. Say the same thing about to a ton of law and every other alabama quarterback but there is something to be said for that. I just think that if i'm going to draft in the top five man. I want to draft the winner of the beauty pageant. The new the the winner of look. They have the trace. They have everything to have mobility arm. Talent in all of this stuff. And like i'll i'll be the descent on dissenting opinion this mag. Joe's isn't a gap for me. So we'll we'll just see how it plays out but he's not he's not that guy for me to be a top five pick again. I said there's lots of layers. And so i i'm i'm with you. I agree with you one thousand percent. I had it written down on the three super bowls that that mike shanahan wants. So i'm already going there and then and that's why i'm not purposely. 'cause we talk all the time when this went down. I did not call you this you because i wanted to save it for right here so we could get the real interaction as well. I'm so fired up about it. So not only. Are those three super bowls. Think about this. Think about the two super bowls. Kyle lost right. Think about it. Think about and. I want you to think about two plays. Okay i one. Let's go to the falcons some pressure you've got your in field goal range to win the game. Matt ryan can't get away from. It takes zack. You're out of cost you a super bowl right now. It's one play them. Maybe he wants a oh. That's to your over eating when a game. I'm just giving you examples. Let's go to the other. One that he lost your. You've controlling the football game. Everybody knows the play patrick. Mahomes dancing around retreating retreating retreating finding tyreek hill all the way down the field which showed incredible athleticism and incredible arm strength. You lost two super bowls one because a guy couldn't make plays outside of structure and the other one you lost because their quarterback could make plays outside of structure. Now look you get to those super bowls. You know how you get there. You have a dominant o line. You have a dominant run game. You have a dominant defense. And you're an elite playcaller so when all those ducks are lined up in a row. Your good man. A lot of things gotta go right for that to happen. These are a lot of things they have to go right. But let's let's take it even farther right. Let's this we're talking about layers listed this back onion even more right. So let's just talk about the shanahan tree and let's talk about all of the disciples so we have mike shanahan. We have Gary kubiak have couch in a hand. Sean mcveigh Matt lafleur and on and on and not. Here's what i believe. Started the dominoes. Falling at the quarterback position. All of the disciples looked at matt lafleur. Having so much fun with a aaron rodgers aaron rodgers is weakest. Say maybe john d. Most talented player to ever play in this system. And what did he produce in. Mvp caliber system. It looks so easy for the packers for the majority of the year. So mcveigh falls to the packers. He looks over the sideline. he looks at jerry golfers. Like not good enough. I don't have enough. I mean look much. My is over there having man. I need to get somebody like that. You'd want to tell that couch shanahan. Even though the niners have been whooping the packers he still doesn't look over there with quarterback envy battle floor and the play calls and that he can make with the more talented player and he says you know what i want. I want to go and get back jones again. Who can't move around like that but this is going to bring my playbook to life. I just have a tough time believing that that is what all of this was about that this is about. Oh you know what. I just wanna go and get quarterback who. I can play a joystick who can enhance what we already do design. I think it has to be someone that is more mobile that is more dynamic and more explosive and also people made this argument about a you know. He had kirk cousins and in washington. You know we had. He had robert griffin rather than was officer rookie of the year despite the issues that they may have had he was opposite rookie of the year on the couch. Shanahan doing all that stuff. Plus you don't think that factors into your question at all. I just think it's very convenient when we talk about the net narrative. We talk about all those guys without mentioning three. Okay we use trucks and trailers right. We've used it forever. There's two types of quarterbacks to win. When we're saying two types of winning quarterbacks there's the trucks that poll that have the ability to pull the rest of their team behind them. Think of an aaron rodgers he makes everybody around you better he can cover up a lot of warts. He's the reason you're winning. Then there's the trailer where when everything else is in place. They can that team kind of pull that trailer along and we can still win. That's okay jared. Goff is a trailer like. that's they want they. They went to a super bowl with a trailer There with the rams the other way. I thought about phrasing this book instead of just trucks and trailers and to me it is exactly what you mentioned. It is the rams looking across the sideline and saying you know what there's a difference between double and exceptional and we have acceptable. I don't want that anymore. I want that. I want exceptional in. So when i look at it with my eyes. And i look at it with my brain. And i see this move up everything whether which way you go trae lance or justin field and i could be on board with one. But that's that's with my eyes and that's my brain but then there's my you talk to. People that are plugged in that are dialed in the tell you it is going to be jones. Get ready. It might not be finalized but all signs are pointing to this going and mack jones direction and. That's so that's what that's where online with. An i'm trying to trying to figure this whole thing out and how that makes sense and i just i keep coming back to the fact while he thinks you look at the success that mack had alabama and you say phenomenal skill players. So he was. I was able to diagram it up. Get match ups. I want and then i've got. It can win those matchup so through the play call. I'm gonna get my guy guy. And then i just need to think the same way that i'm thinking so he can find that matchup and delivering accurate football and they said well he did that alabama. They had great skill players. We've got george. It'a deebo samuel. We're going to get the one on ones we want. I'll get that by. Play design is need him to execute it. here's a that works at alabama. You know who doesn't play for vanderbilt jalen ramsey not always perfect man. It's just isn't and i want somebody that when everything on the paper doesn't line up right. Make me right and and i'm not taking shots at mack jones. Like to me. If you're going to cherry pick one team from jones to go to that would heighten what he knew it would be the forty niners. It'd be great for mac. If you went there. And i think he would be successful to a degree. Yeah but terms of chasing the ultimate prize to be able to play at that level. I just feel like if you make that pick two years from now. You're going to be going. what am i doing. I want a little more bit more. Okay 'cause i wanna feel like this is a beat up on mac jones s no. I'll go. I have one more point about mack jones because he here's what it comes down to. Dc we talk about the nfl being a quarterback driven league and the teams with the best. Quarterbacks are the teams that are typically in the playoffs. So let's just think the easiest path to the playoffs winning your division. Where does jones rank in this division. Russell wilson fourth matthew stafford and calorie win is at every going to change. Who has mack jones going to pass in first two to three years in the nfc. I'm just saying who who is going to snatch down and pass are. We're going to wait into but matthew stafford retires russell. Wilson's may be traded away for him to close the gap. I'm just trying to figure out like we think you be logically. I just can't ima- mine in my mind. Say you know what. Matt jones missing piece. However that's it. I will say this and we all know it ego a part of all of the decisions that are made sometimes from a coaching standpoint. And if you are kinda dragon slayer as to play caller. You can do it with anybody and everybody right. And we've heard the conversations coming out of san francisco in fact where they may express some frustration with jimmy garoppolo. Talk about nick mullins and cj beathard and all those things but then at the end of the day jimmy. Garoppolo had far superior record than those other gas when they had the opportunity to play. And i have to know that the frustration. That cal shanahan had at the end of the year when they were playing with those other guys. When you go to the gunfight and you have a butter knife you have to. You have to grow tired of dealing with that. So is he really going to swap out. Jimmy garoppolo for another guy who i would say is look. He's not those guys but he's in that that ramp i just don't he doesn't give you any options to make your plays correct when you don't dow the right play up. I just don't know why. I would pay a premium for someone who's not going to make it better because andy reid always says the look on the a if i mess up one flight i'll guess what number fifteen sit erase it and make us look. Great yeah. I dunno mac. Jones has that ability to make the play. Call a look great when it's off the script. Yeah and this again. I said there's a million this. I think you mentioned. Rg three minute ago if you if you look at it. Let's let's try and be objective and let's let's take our opinion out of instruction look through their lens so and i try and figure it out and still struggle with it but i could say okay you mentioned. Rg three rg. Three couldn't stay healthy and when he couldn't stay healthy they couldn't win. Jimmy garoppolo can't stay healthy when he's not on the field. You mentioned that they don't win. So durability could factor in there. But then i say okay. Mack jones stayed healthy for one year behind arguably the best offensive line football. Or you don't get hit and then got beat up to the point where he couldn't play in the senior bowl game so i mean i don't know if i can say this guy started forty games in college like durability is not a concern or you know. That's that's a major difference. And if you wanna put body type a back jones next extra trae land just fields and tell me who you think is going to visit. I just have a hard time doing that do so. Let's bennett because i don't want this to be like fifty minutes of us dumping almac john so if we are to take it objectively and let's just look at it through lens of college shanahan. In terms of why meg jones would be the pick and why it's important to have him. I think what we have seen We've seen on numerous occasions that i mean cow. Shanahan has drawn up. Gray plays gaza wide open and each and every week. We see jimmy garoppolo. He doesn't does assume or misses him. The and i think what he would like is if you go all the way back and i i do see this comparison between magic johnson. And matt ryan falcons were rolling year. Two with kyle shanahan and matt ryan. They live people up there. Busting the clock from an office standpoint. They got weapons on the outside here. Julio jones and mohamed sanu and those guys rolling and literally he was playing the video game from the siamak and for the overwhelming majority year. They're put in thirty burgers on everybody and so if he feels like the we will have a dominant running game. I got granules in. Deebo samuel on the outside. I got george kittle. Who's always going to be opening. Control the middle. This is a similar in his mind to is. It can be so. I'm just gonna take you out of alabama mike jones. I'm a plop you in and if you just listen to me on the head said i'm a make it where you cannot feel and the system is going to overwhelm everybody else and dj. We have seen the system really work with lesser players. It doesn't take long to look around the league and look it out kirk cousins success. Baker mayfield's has success. Gerig office had success and jerry gov the success led all the way to her super bowl so maybe in his mind he saying if i can just get someone to take us point a to point b. We're gonna win a bunch of games and we're always going to be in the mix regardless of what else is around the league. I know that my system is gonna put us in a position to win. A high number games mack. Jones will be the perfect joystick for me to play game again. I don't argue that at all. I i think if you're gonna make a case for the best fit for mack jones that would be the fit and i can make a case that he's going to. He's going to have success in the system. Everybody has success in this system. It's a very quarterback friendly system. But to me i just i. If i'm gonna make that bold of move i just want i just want. I want the player to be able to make me right when i'm not right. That's it that's what it comes down to to me and again nothing. The decisions not made we still. We're still month away from the draft locking half between now and then it's just fascinating too many fascinating to follow it. Let's look at it from the other teams standpoint year. Okay miami dolphins. We put the miami dolphins in our body shop literally the day before him. This trade went down and we did a trade with the dolphins I believe go onto nine and ended up going to twelve and basically the same ended up getting an extra one go on going into and they come back up to six But it just made sense from what needs they have and where they are and the value of the third pick because of the quarterback class. If if they were going to stick with two there was no way on earth they could have stuck at three and pick a different position player. He can't do that. If you're gonna take somebody other than a quarterback you cannot stay there at three and that answer itself right there yet has itself and now i think it was really compelling is dj. When you're at six and the board is wide open Look i think there's a scenario cal pissed is going to be staring at them in the face. Like a blinking light. Yeah and i know we can talk about all the other pass sketches those things but in my mind calpis rates higher than those guys and when you think about the combination that they pretend together with pits mike seki They brought willful over. Still have devante park like you're talk about a team that can really come at you. And i know we've talked about to a ton of being the rpo master being able to get it out of his hands. I just think that they have the opportunity to create something that has dominated in the middle of the field in the passing game to make it easy for to instill had the ability to create all of these mismatches in those things. Because eventually i believe too is going to be at his best when you emptied the formation out and let them play quick rhythm basketball like literally fast-break basketball the ball out of his hands. And do those things and i think. Cow pits is a piece that would be very helpful to that process. Yeah i couldn't turn him down. I just couldn't do it. So i just updated my top fifty which you can find Nfl dot com slash. Top fifty i believe is the is the url and we've talked about previously. I ended up moving him from three. Two and i loved marchetti to me. I have the exact same grade on both guys by ended on put picks i thought he was the more unique player that you don't see a kyle pits very often so that to me is why ended up putting him there. So if you're miami it really either one of those guys you come away with. I think you're you're dancing your feeling great about things and i think there's a real chance we're gonna see i. Four picks be quarterbacks. If you're atlanta you're either taking a quarterback or you get out of there again. It makes no sense for me to them for them to stick and pick because you can go. I would assume you'll have options at eight or nine with carolina or denver depending on what happens with sam darnold One of those teams would be interested in coming up so couple of things. With a the falcons. This is a really critical. Pick for the falcons. That i know people say oh well they redid matt ryan deal so the cabin number makes it prohibitive from dim to move off of him in the next two years but i will say this dj man. You were rue the day that if you bypassed on one of those towns quarterbacks at four to drop down and maybe just take in. I mean maybe a solid position player. I think if you're in range to get a guy you believe can be special. I think you have to have the foresight to say. you know. we're going to pull the trigger right now. And i know people say like yeah but you may lose value of taking a rookie quarterback or ricky deal. But then i just point back to. I saw i worked for the cancer cheese. Dip that guy is the right guy if the right gas standards you at four. I'm taking. And i know matt ryan will have another year. But if i have an opportunity to eventually upgraded position because we're not talking about a year league. We're talking about the quarterback position being a daycare a decade long position. If you have an opportunity to get a franchise guy for at least a decade commander position and makes all the other pieces around in the puzzle. It makes it easier to find. If i'm the falcons man out i would go slow moving off of the fourth pick just for position player just to get more pigs. Because i don't know. I know we say it every year as some other. Quarterbacks will emerge. I just feel like this glasses. Really really special and i'm not really trying to get out and move off a special player if i can get him therefore i let me get your take on this for me and i have again. I just updated my top fifty. And i have trey lance at seven Look that will double check on this. So i've got you know lawrence one overall. I've got zack. wilson number four overall. Who put on a show. We'll get to that in a second. I've got trae lance number seven. And i've got justin fields number eight so the more that i continue to do on these quarterbacks buck the more i feel strongly there are four big time dudes who are top ten type players in any draft for me. Yes players. I don't know maybe next year we get some guys we never know. You can't predict this for out. What next year looks like. But i know i'm here right now. Opportunities jeremy in the face to get a guy that could be my answer for ten plus years even if matt ryan is my guy for the next two years. I'm with you. i couldn't turn that down. I don't know if i'm ever going to get a chance to pick a player like this in the next five years right. I'm not doing. And if i'm arthur smith unthinking about how mobile my team. I'm not expecting to be back in a top five next year. Like i'm not expecting to be in range to be in line to get quarterback. I you're saying well you get another first round. Pick to come back but our like to control my own fate. My control my own destiny. And so i can do it right now. You talk about it. Dj sincerely trevor. lawrence zack. wilson just feels trae lance in whatever order. I think those guys are as good as it gets at the quarterback position and i'll share the is say that one of those guys will falter but i'll say the is also say that those guys are going to be credible start at least seventy five percent of those four argo bob and do something and i just. I just believe this is a unique situation where you have an opportunity to get a guy that you can build your office around and make special stuff having. I'm taking one of those guys. Because even when i compare those guys to what could be available as a position player. The differs in this rap. I don't think there is like the the crown jewel position player out. There does not a quarterback there. We're saying hey. This is the transcendent player. That will be a top five player in any drafts. I don't know man. I'm i'm more likely to lean towards a quarterback. Yeah i agree. I'm i'm with you on that. How about the eagles. The eagles now are in a situation. Where i actually like. Where their position because if you look at them traditionally last year they took a receiver. Rager which i thought was a reach in the first round but traditionally as an organization. They've believed in big guys in in In premier positions in the first round. So were they were at six. They were kinda stare into me. Kyle pits a you know the giants chases. That's where those the value were. They were picking their those are the best players are going to see. Now you slide back to twelve and you. You might have a chance to get ser tan the corner Who after farley's back situation. I think is probably the number one corner on just about everybody's board So you're in range there for him and even jc horn. I don't think it's too outlandish to take him with the twelfth. Pick so you have an opportunity to get one of the top corners. You probably have all of the pass rusher staring face. You know if you feel like. That's quick pay. If you feel like that's greg were so jaylen who everything that is. Jalen phillips whoever it is you have a chance to get potentially the number one corner or the number one pass rusher at twelve and more so than that you've now next year got probably three first round picks dependent on on how wentz plays with the colts to hit those kickers. That would turn that to into a one worst case scenario next year. You got to one's you've got to twos yet. I'd actually like where their position Dj thing when you're just sitting there at twelve you can take a really good position player. We go all the way back to the history. They need to redraw the offensive line. Need to be fortified trenches. So you get a big offensive. Lineman you give jalen harrison opportunity to develop your ass more Maybe playmakers in the late around. And then you reassess it next year because now you have currency when it comes to the quarterback position where if you need to move off him you can put yourself in range to be able to do it. I think it would have been too tough for them to go. Shopping again. At the quarterback store without fully given jalen hurts an opportunity to be able to do it. I just it muddies. The situation makes it very hard. I think this gives them an opportunity to reset and rebuild and my mom with toward being a playoff team in twenty. Twenty three yeah. Here's here's mummy. Talk about one. You just mentioned you talk about the offensive line. The one thing. I would say that. I don't think they'll go in that direction. Buck is that you jordan. My lada last year. Who has played really. Well is very gifted andre dillard who miss your whole season is a first round pick. He comes back. You have brandon brooks. Who missed a season. he did back. Got johnson's only thirty years old. I mean he's not like he's thirty eight. He's thirty one of the best right. Tackle football kelsey okay. Maybe you know his eventual replace. But you knew that right first round taking a center in the first round. He's still playing at a high level. So i think if they're healthy even even have a little bit of depth. Because i'm guessing that dillard might he might not beat out my lot of he might be your swing backup as a first round pick so they. I think i think points to me to go on defense with at twelve. I think that's where the value would be. That's where they that if they stay there twelve. Yes oh if everything about defense then becomes a conversation the unknown before we had a blueprint for how they wanted to play defense right now. I've scheme yeah new scheme. I don't know. I'm thinking maybe it's going to be some of the stuff that they were doing in indianapolis like the tampere to stuff. But i'm not necessarily sure because that will kind of changed. Pass rushers in what you want. Did resigned brandon graham. I think to a one year deal years old. Yeah so at some point you need another pass rusher in there so which wanted to pass rushers will potentially fit Do they feel good enough about the corners that they feel like they can get. A lockdown corner is interesting to me. You talked about pets or tan. I do still think that. I know we've given him the crown and mantle as Abilene he's the best corner. Whatever it out. I liked him over fraud but i do wonder if there's going to be this conversation about sir tanin. Jc horn coming off. The is and all those things. And when i looked at it because i talked about it in my notebook and passer tan. I feel like you're getting the technically refined player in jc horn. You get into more explosive more dynamic player who might have an opportunity to pop it the next level. If he gets into the race game i would be curious to see based upon what philadelphia wants to do if that's the conversation destiny direction which one of those guys is a better fit on the perimeter thing is great conversation to have at some point when you look at those two guys because both are very impressive. All right i have See i've got ser tan at number ten and i've got jc hornets sixteen. I moved farley to seventeen. Not most people you talked to around the league. So you can't. You can't take farley in the first round with just the uncertainty with the health stuff with the back. I can live. There was an outpatient. It was no. It wasn't as big of a deal. And then i okay we think when do you think is going to go out early. Second out like well. Apparently it's kind of bill then yet. Dj a couple of things that work against him You have the situation with the back that is maybe a recurring injury because that can twenty nineteen. He has some things he missed. All twenty twenty and so. You're talking about player that you haven't seen that you won't get a chance to workout. Who has an injury issue that leads to some uncertainty because they told me about the guys who had the surgery like tony romo wonder if somebody else was prominent who also had the It it didn't think like a super bleak pitcher but it is something that you have to consider and we think about first rounders in the amount of money that's tied into that. I can't see where he probably is thinking about. Like a jalen. Smith situation top of the second round where you can. I guess mitigate the risk reward when it comes to using a top pick on a player like that man you talk about a reward fi shows up and he's healthy. Is it up to me. I think he's one of the five best players in the draft. He's he is and he all the numbers that we saw that horn ser tan posted. This was supposed to be even more than he was going to run into. Low four threes jumped forty inches all that good stuff. Yeah i think what. I what i really like about what we're seeing in his corner class. These we have big gas. We have big six foot corners. Two hundred pounds running in the four fours gas who are also skilled. Before you would have those big is that can run fast. But a lot of them were relegated to be up around corners. We're now seeing guys that are skilled at a position. Meaning the toolbox full. they can play off. They can shadow they can. They can back out or they can do a bunch of different things. I like it and the other thing that has come in. you're also seeing these nickel corner specialists. Because i know you put a lodger mode and in your top fifty who also have size before we used to talk about the nickel the end a little guy. Oh we got to put the little guy that nickel position when you're getting big guys. Dead are really established in trained nickel players and as we continue to talk about the shift or the trend towards position lists football having guys that are trained to play slot corner this huge asset because that is a starting quarterback position as more teams are going to a two linebacker. Defense were five. Db's on the field all downs. It's fascinating discussion between the trait corners. And the to me the more instinctive really all player corners sneer up taking. You'd mentioned molten. You know it. His who's a good size find size for a nickel. But he's not not huge guy. Asante samuel not. Not but i ended up moving them like over the georgia corners. Who saw right six-foot-plus running a ridiculous or twos or threes. But then. I stack. And i'm looking. I'm going okay. First of all sante. Same i didn't know how it's going to be. I thought he might be religion. He was not he checked. He was fine and then speedwise i. You know. I was curious to see what he ran ran a low force. I'm like okay so that's not a problem now. Is instincts ball skills good to go and then with mold and even though they haven't had their pro day yet i'm like the tape is so clean. I know exactly what he is day one nickel. He's tough he's physical. I can use them to support in there and again instincts ball skills and saw mike man. Let me just use the bucky brooks backyard. Theory if we're if it's thanksgiving kicking teams i'm gonna take. I'm gonna take samuel molten athletic. There's better football players. Yeah so that's why over those guys up. i. I love the traits. I do you dj. I think there's something to think it's kind of the coin the term coined scott For years i will. Football players people like yet s a no brainer but yeah but what we're talking about a guy really knows how to play the game a guy whereas the iq in the instincts that they can go and they can make everybody right because they know exactly what they're doing you're not having to over. Coast him to get them. Learned the basic stuff like they walk into the field. I coach i got. You can tell them once they get it. And they make plays based on their knowledge and expertise in experience more so than just their traits. Those guys tend play along taught in the differences issue. Most years those guys like him. He's a really good player but he's slower the dish you they have athleticism and things that you like not. I'm good i'm good. They're really fast. An athletic and they they know how to play the game. Yeah sign me up for those guys. No doubt All right buck. I think we've hit this from every conceivable angle. Here dimension. Again top fifty zero. You can check that out. Did you have to do. Jeff to redo your mock. 'cause you just did your mock like a week ago a good thing for me. That was all done. I think lance zilan is up this week on macho la doing this thing so he might have belabored at all weekend. I'm good you just read the end right before the draft. I'm good oman. That's great path to the draft back this week. Everybody you can find that. I believe we're on what six eastern everyday so be on the lookout for that we've got the digital show Coming up You'll be able to see that. Tuesday nine pm eastern. That's the move the sticks show and also that'll be on. Nfl network thursday at three eastern or rear saturday at seven am eastern beyond lookout for the move sticks. Six video show again having a lot of fun where we take a team inside the body shop and Try and since we can solve their issues again. Hey pat on the back buck. Mam miami dolphins. We laid out the blueprint. There are listening. Yeah listening does a good job. 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Good Morning Niner Empire Lynch And Shanahan Press Conferences

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Good Morning Niner Empire Lynch And Shanahan Press Conferences

"Hey this is jamie fernando. v radios. Good morning manner empire. Let me tell you about our sponsor graphics munger they're keeping your bris going extinct. Turn your idea into reality with their graphic design team the your source for custom logo designs apparel decals an more. Don't wait any longer and coke graphics munger at three six zero four six zero eight five to six or on facebook and find him at graphics munger also if you mentioned nine. Fm radio you'll get ten percent discount. Thanks let's get back to the show yard sheboygan either faithful hoping everyone had alleged dairy draft weekend we have kyle shanahan and john lynch pressures highlights for you today. Hope everyone enjoys him. Let's just go ahead and get a kicked off. We have first of all the time. Line of we are calling the pick the pick of trade lance here. We go notes. Not we can go back to january for the timeline which you don't have enough time to go all the way. This is something that started since our season ended and our evaluation of people and starting was where we thought we were going to be available to people who we thought could be on the trade markets. Everything We've been very high on trips since the beginning since day one And yes the person everyone else's spec about we liked him too but it was just honestly to go through this whole process where you know no one has known you know. My friends coaches anybody How john and i feel and how we felt this whole time and we do that. 'cause you don't wanna sway people in this building You want everyone give you just work. Their butts off and give you their honest info. And that's why we don't share at all how he felt about our conversations when we're on vacation talking in the first two weeks of january about these quarterbacks and comparing him to nfl guys and we made the trade. We knew exactly where we're going what you're doing now. We want an opportunity to go. Look at everybody but i mean i think just looking at this whole process. I think was in mexico the day we made the trade And you know within hours you know. There's at least two people who are out there. Speculating that their opinions are. They think we're taking back jones and ever since then i've kind of just watched every single person assume that that was accurate and that the those worn opinions those are facts and we don't feel that way from the beginning. I want to have said there is no chance of we. Were going to go through this process. And who wouldn't have said it ended up being him but i know how he felt about trae the whole time and to watch that happen kind of watch everyone just assume you know because coal appeals. Say something. that's exactly how you feel. We weren't going to work to correct that at all that could be an advantage for us Especially when you look into stuff. That just came out today stuff that when you never know what this lee and if the whole nfl's assuming you're doing one thing and you're not doing that. I'm not going to work hard and john. We're going to work hard to correct that So let that be. And whatever way that went it was going to go and it crazy to watch where it all went But no one is known anything but us as little as been fun to watch and been in many situations in my career like that and when you get an opportunity to go through something like that it is really cool to find people about people in your building how they handle it. It's really cool to kind of watch people in the media to a little bit and just see who gives opinions who gives some sources that you watch it. And then she'll like are. I know that's not true. So whereas i n you just start you get to see people for two months and how things are been in many situations like that and it was kind of neat to see you learn a lot about your organization you learn a lot about other people and But try to your head and you try to do what's right and not be affected by any of that and it's just interesting to watch in sir. Glad that is over that we got our guy. I'm glad we feel so good about it and I'm just gonna get them here all right. It was interesting to get it. Broken down I don't know how much i believe it. I don't know if i'm willing to say that. Trae lance was always the pick but i think that we could be excited on what we just heard. Now we're going to go ahead. Get into john lynch answering the question. We all woke up on job to answering. Did the niners call on aaron rodgers. Answer that cam and you're talking to you know you're talking about You know the mvp of our league last year. And i don't know about you guys but to me when the mvp of the league might be available. And i didn't know that I'm just reading. The tea leaves just like everybody else and saying hold on is something going on here. Yeah we acquired and It was a it was a quick Into the conversation it wasn't happening and You know as we said we've been convicted and excited for a long time so We went right back to where we've been and that's really excited about adding trae lance to the forty niners and we're thrilled about that. If it's simple here. You know if aaron rodgers was available and john lynch didn't call in to see if what it would take to acquire aaron rodgers and john lynch isn't doing his job i mean the. Mvp of the league is available. You have to check it on that. Now ultimately i do think the management the right choice going with the younger quarterback but if aaron rodgers was available that would bid conversation we needed to have and i am not mad at all that we went ahead and looked into it matter of fact. I think that it means that we have a competent. Gm personally now we're gonna go ahead and get into the question of the hour help. Maybe the biggest question that might be asked in franchise history. why trae. Let's talk about that for a while because it was in so many different areas but it always starts with me with the film Try to watch a guy. Played the quarterback position how he executes his own offense Just kind of natural feeling. He has for the quarterback position which that part entails. Get into the ball to the right spots You try to figure out what they're doing and does the ball go to where it should go to Nothing is there. How quick are they to recognize. Make it off schedule or to get rid of. It does not take a sack and don't make a worse and you start to watch some of that stuff with them. And i just i love his natural ability to play the position which was very impressive. And then when you add on type running element which. I've always been intrigued with a guy who's got the skill sets as far as speed and size To where you're not gonna make a runner but you can get in certain formations where the diva snows You run them if they don't honor him. Now everything's different and if you can ever get a guy like that and make eleven on eleven football Then i think you got a guy who can change some things for you But it always comes down so yeah that's can dabble on that. But you better be confident. They can do everything else and you know. He's played a year football. Is that a smaller school. So that does take It takes work it stuff. You're not gonna see it all so that that's why it is a hard process. And that's why there is no guarantees for any of us on southbound believe in and you see what ask someone to do and you see it very consistent done at a high level and then you look at the skill set all the highways and speed and that stuff you on that to me comes last And then you try to get to know the person and so it's really cool about where we got that. I didn't have to be sneaky with china. Know someone where he can. No i was trying to get to know my could say a lot of stuff to him. I could be very upfront with them. He could and i got to know him. And he's a guy that i think is a very good person comes from a very good family I think he's very impressive. In terms of intellect on how he deals with people how he handles the social situation and I thought i looked at him as a ceo of a company. If i ever knew anything about that stuff But he's so that he put that to the side. And it's a hell of a quarterback and this is someone that i believe in and i want to go to work with as we all know i'll shanahan make quite stink apparently making. Everybody thinks that we wouldn't be here on sunday night so he went ahead and clarified that and also the whole situation with jimmy as far as being our starter and what the plan is going. I own glad about jimmy. I totally bombed that on monday. i hated how that came off. I talked to jimmy about it right away. I didn't realize when i did it personnel relationship with who sometimes when he asked me what i think is silly questions. Sometimes i mess with them back and kind of what. I was doing And that was between me and that guy had nothing to do with jimmy. When i said. I didn't know if we'd be alive on sunday. I was just trying not to get my typical answer of guys. Anybody can be traded. If you get a bunch of ones. John should trade me. And i shouldn't be here on sunday. That's the answer for every person on our team But jimmy situation is if he isn't here on sunday i would be disappointed because jimmy but jimmy is a quarterback has played one year took us to a super bowl on the plate at a very high level. He said some fortunate injuries But i believe jimmy is a person and he's shown what he can want tape now. We may move so as obvious. What what. I hope and what i believe in what this guy coming in. But it would be a very tough situation of. Jimmy's not on a team. Like i think. I want to be here and i want this kid to be brought along. I wanna see how he does and it turns into a competition it turns into a competition. I'd be excited about that. If he showed he was ready. Or and stuff. But we know. Our jimmy's at he hasn't played football year. He hasn't been to a not a. I'd love get him out here. It'd be very hard for me to picture situation. Jimmy's not here on sunday. Because that'd be very stressful for us goes. Jimmy is a very good player. And i think we can win was on So we'll play that by ear but expect to be here and be surprised if you've okay now we have these next. Two clips will be on second round pick aaron banks and on third run Third round pick trae sherman sherman sermon. I think You know obviously you always want the guy that's big that can move and is a scheme fit and i think in this case we believe that we found a candidate for that You know we. We really grew to appreciate aaron throughout the process You know his his film was very good at notre dame. The senior bowl was a was a positive. Look in person for us. continued to grow there. And then you know. Mike mcglinchey incessant You know jaren forum But he is a bigger guy But he he moves exceptionally well and so we think he's a really nice fit. People talk about always one small guys but it's not the case We want you got to have certain guys around a certain type of scheme that can move well But you don't want them small use one guys who move will She got to be able to move a certain way to kind of as they'd be in the club for us But once you can move that certain way we want the biggest guy possible on this. Usually it's hard to get those guys because they go pretty early and we seven minutes situation where we can take guy like that. I'm going to be there in the second round. And for him to fault us where we were picking. We felt he was the mover that we wanted. The size and everything was even. I mean much more bonus some in a physics not just the size and that's the way he plays as what i like. The most is physicality demeanor kind of his mindset with how he carries himself so but very fortunate to get them pumped niner trae Trae you look at our backs in the past. And i think one common element is the speed and and you may look at his forty time and say he doesn't really fit but Sometimes forty times Can be deceiving. I i you know. I think what speaks to us is like his ten time was very good and so you see that burst. You see that ability to stick his foot in the ground break tackles and hit in a hurry. And then he's very adept at making. The you know the free safety the second second level defender miss and so you know it really good out of the backfield in the past game as well. I think he's a good fit for what we do It was exciting. We you know. Kyle and i started this morning Watching the backs and it was fun to to to be able. And i think the move was prompted by just a growing feeling that trey was a really good fit for us and i think we stayed patient but when we felt like our odds are lex about run out We made the move and and we're happy to do so now. Shanahan was asked an update on nick mullins and if indeed his career was over and more information on jimmy and just as far as that relationship's gonna go Personally i think son and and it's pretty obvious. Jimmy's gonna be our starter. And as soon as trae lance is ready. He's going to take over. But here's cows shanahan's thoughts on it no For solid nick. I haven't talked to nick recently. He actually sent me a text earlier today. And i'm gonna get back to them soon. But stud i love neck Helped us out a ton here. Nick had a real tough injuries that he's working through to come back from and i think it'd be held up the hill healed up around camp That's why he's out. There is a free agent. And we'll see what happens to them but I know nick was. Don't a tough situation for us last year. That play his best but we didn't help them around but neither Kind of like a lot of our team last year But i almost respect for nick and once he gets healthy I believe we'll get a shot somewhere And as far as jimmy you don't call them after the draft. Jim jimmy knew what the deal was. I talked zoom meetings. Every day i got to see him on zoom earlier in that day and we had meetings and stuff and And jimmy's been great. You know reached out to cheese right away. Got trades never connected Jimmy as you know is taken of his business approach but I think he's excited for right now. Just talking to him and is ready to come here and get back to being healthy and playing with their team and if we have them compete. I know he's ready to compete. And he got an update on richard sherman. I mean i know that demore has demore d. Mato has a close relationship with richard sherman. I would love for sherman to come in as a mentor role. A last hurrah if you will and finish out his career in writing gold. But honestly i don't want richard sherman as the starting corner but if we can have richard sherman as a mentor for that and here goes kyle shanahan or john lynch is thought there and then finally we sure you never count sherm out. sherm is You know he was a big part of this Of this culture here. A tremendous leader On account i both would consider him a friend. Like i said you never count him out. We haven't really been in communication we do text from time to time Nothing about football. But like i said long as he wants to play. I think sherman's being patient and kind of wait and out for the right situation and we'll see where that goes. Okay and and here we go. As far as the last little bit on rookies. We have their thoughts on ambi. Thomas and more the more ambi Was a guy who really gained steam. I think through the process with us. I give a lot of credit to You know adam peters he kinda champion him and you know you you look at it outside corner and there were the guys up top and And then you know it was like okay. A depot was another one of them But after that went then you know early on we were saying okay were where would it be axed and in deebo or excuse me. Every thomas was a guy we really grew fond of throughout the process He opted out this year. You know so you didn't get a chance to see him play and again You know one thing we really tried to do was give a fair. Look to these guys. I think sometimes it was really easy to say he opted out. Some people even went as far as well. He doesn't love football the opted out. Now i'm a. I'm a father of a kid who played on a college football team this year The plans were so up in the air. I don't blame any of these kids for having opted out with going through. What we did and ambi is a kid that you know. We were able to talk as the process went deep and we started to really have a liking forum. We talked to michael zorka choose a guy contemporary of mine and in the league and Played safety at a really high level. I respect his opinion. He thought the world of he. He's a guy who ran in the hi four threes i think his greatest asset is poised at the moment of truth when that balls in the air he has an ability to locate it which is not as as As easy to find as you might think for db's You know as they say. There's a reason they're playing defense and Ambi has a good skill for being very poised when the balls in the air and we think he can be a good fit with us and we were really fired up to be able to get him a michigan kid from detroit. We were worried. Detroit ed the pick in front of us and we started getting worried right there that They may take him but but They took another corner and we were very happy to have jalen Definitely say ideally a guard But we feel as a skill set and stuff we can move him out to tackle also Guys that we have there you know that could play both the spots an ideal world. We probably keep met guard. But he can do both. And then oh were going with With the mo you guys need to help us out with his first name would deem. Oh it's he's not he's not a nickel only Which means that he could play outside or inside He'll come in here and try to figure that out and learn it. But he's got the skill set to where his ability to plead one And then obama is love matt safety. It's like a linebacker As mentality is he's an old school bad ass as we say we're excited to get him here. See what he can do. On special teams he'll be can earn a role their first star We'll try met safety If it's better a linebacker that eventually happen to but we're excited. Get the football player. Okay now we're going to have back to back clips on them talking. 'bout through growth of the process on selecting these players. And you know how. How did it feel after all this craziness and everything like that. How are they feeling. You know mere moments after they made to pitch. You know i. i think You know. I think back to anything i've ever done. I think the one thing my my folks always Imparted upon me. As you're never you can always get better. You can always and as soon as you stop Having that attitude You know you better be doing something else. And so i think back to my playing career and your fifteen. I felt like i was still learning. And certainly in this You know in this role for years and yeah we should be better I think just our processes you know they tighten up a little bit easier and You you better learn from your experiences. And i think we have and and You know i it's. It's a fun time of year I think we have cool process because of the way we incorporate the whole building and i think you know as as As we continue to do that You know we should get better every year and hopefully Feel like we have right now. and You know we'll see like like we said after trays pick. i think. That's all the be judged down the line. I do know we have a good process that i'm really proud of. Yeah i i'll tell you right now feel tired like it I i'm i'm really a man we got better. I know that during this draft process. And i i feel very strongly about that I think it was tougher because of all the challenges that this year presented guys not playing for a year medical not being centralized. I think there was. There was some challenges. I think we handled a extremely well. And i think the league did but as a result i think I'm ready to go on vacation and leave. Kyle here to to fish. Buddy who went analyzed as draft would know that it was clear the niners were trying to make a point not to draft any injured players. And here are the thoughts on the jehan on the effort to dig into injury histories especially now with covid and not much information Yeah i think that's that's a great depiction of how we've handled it. I think You know right wrong or indifferent. Guilin i sometimes if look for value with a guy answered because you might get a real talented player and and yeah you learn you grow I think the other thing. We did tan tangibly. Change some things in our like our grading process Not what the doctors are telling us how it's delivered just to make it clear like okay. Is this grade. You know with a high risk or or low risk. Just really clarifying that. And i think that was a positive step because it made probably easier like we're not touching these guys the ones that were really bad and so that probably cleared some things up. And you know like. I said you learn over time we we. We make adjustments each and every year. But after you go through what we went through last year you you take a harder look and and we didn't overreact to it but i think we we responded accordingly and then last but least speaking of injuries here are an update by john lynch on jalen hurd and hopefully what we hope will finally be a chance to get them onto the field. Jalen jailings rehab Is going well Where eager to get him back here. you know. because he's been a he's been rehabbing away but we check in regularly and He's he's doing a nice job. His rehab so You know we're excited about that. You know i think Jaylen is always been a hard worker and Had some some tough luck with that stuff and You know who continue to work hard and and we think he'll be ready to go All right thank you. Everyone that will do it for this episode of good morning niner empire. Make sure to check out. Jason and i breaking down the twenty twenty one draft on our nfl host draft. Show not unfaithful radio. Go ahead jet youtube or you can find it at nine. Faithful radio dot com. Thank y'all we shall see you all next week till then faith levin happiness go niners.

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