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Athersys Advances Off-the-Shelf Stem Cell Therapy for Stroke

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35:43 min | 1 year ago

Athersys Advances Off-the-Shelf Stem Cell Therapy for Stroke

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I'm daniel levin and this is the bio report <music> <music> among the many challenges to developing stem cell therapies is the need to match donors to recipients and the risk of graft versus host disease that requires the use of immunosuppressants immunosuppressants actresses has developed a stem cell therapy platform known as multi stem that makes use a type of stem cell that doesn't carry carry the risk of causing an immune response. What's more cells from a single donor can be expanded to provide potentially millions of doses to treat a a wide range of conditions making a scalable off the shelf therapy. The company is in late stage. Clinical testing of its self therapy for the treatment of schemic schemic stroke a leading cause of serious disability. We spoke to give and bokan c._e._o. Of actresses about the company's multi stemmed platform how it works and the range of indications. It's pursuing gil. Thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me. We're gonna talk about ethicists. It's off the shelf stem cell product platform and some of your your efforts to develop treatments for a variety of neurological immune and cardiovascular conditions. Let's start with the multi stemmed platform. Though what what are the cells you're using. Where do you get them. And how are they being developed for therapeutic indications short so the seltzer that make up multi not stem are a special class of cells that we can isolate right out of bone marrow or certain other tissues sources <hes> in technical terms they refer to as multi potent adult adult progenitor cells or maps for short and these are a class of cells that were first identified going back a few years ago that that once they were isolated from various donor sources originally focused on <hes> animal models and then looking at <hes> at human donors it was discovered that these cells have some very interesting properties <hes> specifically i it's been shown that these cells once we isolate them from healthy consenting donors that we can actually grow them up enormous quantities and that's unlike the vast majority of cell types from the human body when you isolate so you really can't expand them outside the human body to any substantial substantial degree so these cells are wired a little bit differently. They're wired such that once we isolate them provided we keep them in the proper conditions that we can actually grow grow them up in enormous quantities and it's been demonstrated that we can administer these selves just like type o blood so we don't have the tissue match the original donor to the patients that were trying to treat those two characteristics in combination with one another very powerful because that's allowed us to develop but we refer to as an office shelf stem cell therapy that could be used to treat many many patients and is shown tremendous promise in some specific correa's of unmet medical need where current standard of care really is not getting it done for a lot of the patients that <hes> that need treatment. How much product are you you actually able to create from a single donor. We can actually produce millions of clinical doses from a small amount of material that we get from a single healthy consenting donor and we've shown that we can do this across many many many donors that we've worked with over the years so we have a very consistent pro pro process s. but it's the the ultimate yield of it is quite impressive because it really is way beyond what people have been able to accomplish with other cell therapy platforms or people have done traditionally working with <hes> things like <hes> bone marrow transplantation procedures or maddox <unk> stem-cell procedures where for everyone patient you wanna treat you have to go find a tissue matched donor and in our case as i mentioned we don't have to do that. We have a tremendous indus yield that allows us to produce the equivalent of millions or even potentially tens of millions of doses from one donor bank and we can make multiple donor honor banks so it gives us a tremendous amount of supply if you will to be able to treat a lot of patients that need help given the scall- ability of the platform given even the fact that you don't need to match patients or immunise oppress people who received the therapy are their economic consequences the well the scale ability they have it is a big advantage and the the economic consequences i would say or that. It's the naval invest actually deliver a therapy across the indications that we're focused on and do it. In a much more economical we nah much more economically efficient efficient way <hes> so the the key is is that because we can use large scale technologies to to produce these when we go into commercialization mode then that really changes the economics of it and makes it a much more efficient platform and makes it much more consistent spend much more scalable so if you think about some of the recent technologies that have been developed well. I'll start by actually going back to kind of the origin of stem cell transplantation clinically which began with that process to treat patients that were being treated for leukemia or lymphoma or similar types of conditions and for everyone patient you wanted to treat you had to go out and find a match donor and sometimes that matching process could be very very challenging. It's not always easy to find an appropriately matched on her but even when you isolate the cells from the donor. If you find a good match it's a it's an expensive and cumbersome process to actually isolate those cells and then use them for treatment and it's not very scalable because again for everyone patient you wanna treat. You've got to go out and find a match etched donor. Some of them were recently developed technologies that are quite exciting so things like car t. for treating patients that have various types of malignancies they are again an example of taking the taking cells in this case from the individual patient rewiring them <hes> to make make them more adept at and more specific killing tumor cells and then using that immunotherapy as a way to treat the patient the unfortunate reality of cartels technology though is is that it's not very scalable. It's not very economical at least in its current form today and so that's why we've seen price points points that are typically in the hundreds of thousands of dollars <hes> just to treat an individual patient with scalable technologies like multi stem. I think we can deliver something. That's going it'd be much more cost effective and cost efficient and also can reach many more patients by virtue of the fact that it is so scalable. How is the product product administered to a patient and is it the expectation that this would be a one time administration or would be people treated with repeating doses well. I'll start with the second question first so the eye for most of the indications that we're focused on that are in the critical care spectrum so things like stroke or for <hes> trauma or for acute respiratory distress syndrome or certain other indications that we're focused on. We we envision that this will be <hes> primarily a one one dose treatment. Which is how we've been conducting our clinical trials is to give one dose early on after the original event and then evaluate how effective that is and we've seen very good safety data from a clinical trials that we've run. We've also seen very promising efficacy. In terms of helping patients get better even after a single dose of therapy but for in the way that we administer the product is to administer stir it intravenously for most indications so we've developed a true off the shelf formulation where you can go from the vile with the stem cells are in then into an i._v. Bag which can be administered <hes> just literally hanging on an i._v. Stand and administered the patient intravenously in a procedure that takes it's just a few minutes we can <hes> we can actually do that very efficiently <hes> and it's it's very easy to do because i very cumbersome. It's not terribly complicated gated. It's basically doing things that pharmacists nurses or or other people that would be responsible for pressuring the product or very familiar with and very comfortable with so again i._v. The administration typically single-dose for most of the indications we're focused on however we do recognize that for certain complex disease indications more than one dose might be necessary to maximize therapeutic benefit or might be necessary to really help the patient. Get back to where you want them to be so we're very open into in in fact exploring indications where multiple doses over time might be required but the primary focus right now is on treating some of these critical care indications vacations <hes> early on hoping to get the patient back on the path to recovery in a way that current standard of care really doesn't typically deliver for the patients that need help and what do these cells actually do once. They're inside the body. That's great question shen. We we get quite a lot in the interesting thing about these cells is they <hes> in contrast to traditional pharmaceutical drug or or a biotechnology drug whether it be an antibody or peptide or something along those lines all of those types of therapies are designed to do something one thing being very very specifically <hes> in the vast majority of cases but with the cells that make up multi stemmed their dynamic living entities and we've shown in many many any studies in fact we have dozens of publications that have been produced in in <hes> leading peer reviewed journals that show that these cells act through multiple pull distinct mechanisms in parallel they show an amazing propensity to home to sites of tissue damage and inflammation and injury or key organ systems that are very very important in governing the healing response or governing the biological response after something bad happens and i'll give you one good example of that in just a minute so so the short answer is he sells. Don't just do one thing they actually do. A series of different things one of the key things that they do is when the body sustains as a serious event or a series injury one of the common reactions to that is is that it ramps up the immune system and the inflammatory system that can be very counterproductive following a stroke or following some of the other events that i mentioned earlier trauma for example or in the case of patients nations that have acute respiratory distress for their lungs are filled with immune cells that are creating a very inflammatory environment in that compromises pulmonary function and that's why <hes> these patients ultimately have to go on ventilator so one of the things that we know about multi stem is is that if we administer the product intravenously in those types of situations nations the cells will actually react in a very powerful way and they will reduce that inflammatory mediated response or damage image that might be occurring and they'll it's kind of like restoring balance to the immune system but doing it in a very very <hes> <hes> profound way if you will to kind of get the body back to where you want it to be but at the same time these cells have shown that they can up regulate key repair mechanisms and and help the body recover in other way so for example in stroke or in neurological injury situations we know that these cells stimulate stimulate neuro repair pathway so neurotrophic or nerve pathways where they stimulate <hes> cell types that are very responsible or very powerful in terms of promoting healing and repair so for example when most people think about the immune system they they recognize that there's this inflammatory <hes> part of it which again i'll come back to that in just a minute but until a few years ago we didn't recognize is it. There was also a whole other dimension to the immune system which is repaired of nature and it consists of interesting cell types that have been discovered in recent years like regulatory to repeat cells and empty macrophages and other cell types. We know that what multi stemmed does it stimulates those cells and key pathways that actually helped the body recover in some very important ways <hes> and again we know that these cells stimulate other key pathways <hes> in response to for example neurological <music> injury or in the case of schemic injury where the cells can express are induced expression <hes> factors that actually help promote formation of new blood lead vessels to kind of get the body back to to where it wants to be <hes> one of the key things that we found in the inflammatory cascade is is the importance of another organ in the body called the spleen and our spleen for the most part. I think has been kind of an underappreciated oregon <hes> in in terms of the clinical focus for many many years although we've known for a long time that if somebody had a ruptured spleen that had to be surgically road <hes> where we would for his splenectomy or if there was if there were other problems like this plane was abnormally enlarged <hes> we've known that one one the spleen is removed for those patients that the patient is going to be immuno depressed for or immuno-compromised for the rest of their life but we didn't really know why and it turns out that the spleen is a central hub for immune system function and at any given point in time it's filled with immune cells that are sitting in the spleen not not really doing anything there waiting for a signal or a set of signals that we hope never get sent but if we sustain a stroke or if we sustain a trauma or <hes> or or other things that can trigger the peripheral immune system it actually causes through a cascade of signals the go to the spleen it causes these immune themselves to become activated and inflammatory and then within a couple of days. They're leaving the the spleen. In the case of a stroke with their leaving the the spleen spleen they go into the circulatory system and then they go up to the brain where they caught a create a hostile inflammatory environment that <hes> that frankly expands since the region of damage in the brain and makes it virtually impossible to recover from that extended damage once it is occurred but one of the very interesting things we know about multi stem is that when we administer the cells intravenously <hes> once this cascade has been activated a lot of the cells dell's go right to the spleen and when they get there provided we treat the patient within the appropriate timeframe which we've shown for stroke is within thirty six hours or less then the multi stem cells actually calm the immune system down and they restore balance what i'll just refer to as immunological homeo- stasis assists and <hes> and basically they're turning off that hyper inflammatory cascade at the same time that the cells are actually turning up healing and repair a pair of processes so it's kind of a combination of things that these cells are doing that. We believe can really help the patient and the the clinical data. That's been generated based some of the studies we've run. I think really provides a lot of support for that and it's quite exciting. I want to talk a little bit more about your experience in treating stroke broke with this but before we do how broad is the potential for the use of these cells than does the therapy to be customized in any way for a particular indication or can you just systemically deliver them and provide. The benefit is needed for most indications. There is no customization required. We don't have to genetically modify these cells. We don't have to do anything <hes> terribly <hes> significant to them. We just have to maintain them in the in the proper conditions and we're manufacturing them. We have to make sure that we're treating them the right way so that we can produce the quantities of the cells we want so that they have the the potency that we need and all the other things that we need in order to make an effective and safe therapy <hes> so again no no customization no special <hes> no genetic modifications or anything thing else that would be cumbersome potentially problematic in terms of what has been seen with some other approaches that that people have used <hes> the so so i think that <hes> in terms of the breadth of how the sells might actually wear they might be relevant quite honestly they appear to have broad relevance in a lot of different indications. We certainly can't say that they're going to be relevant to everything but we've done work in many many different disease and injury models that has shown that once we administer these cells when <hes> when something bad happens and and we focused a lot in recent years on acute injury or acute disease conditions so again things like stroke or things like acute respiratory distress when patients have been placed on <hes> ventilator because their lungs become so inflamed in so compromised that they just can't get enough oxygen and that's really the only way to keep them alive is to put him on a ventilator <hes> some of the other programs where we work as well so for now. We're focusing primarily on the critical care indications where current standard of medical of care is in many instances very limited or in some cases. There's really not much you can do for the patient at all other than provide palliative care and and we believe that we might be able to change that in a pretty significant way and areas like schemic stroke but also we have some exciting early data in hemorrahagic stroke <hes> based on our clinical data for ours as well and some of the other programs that we've advanced. I understand you're you're pursuing in cases of acute injury but do you know anything about the sales potential in terms of damage. That's done to the body from a progressive disease. Z's doesn't have restorative abilities in that regard yeah and we we have looked at various indications where there are progressive disease indications and definitely the the cells have shown great promise there and some of the situations that we've looked at <hes> but i think that while those are definitely gently areas of opportunity areas of substantial unmet medical need one of the nice things about working on the acute and critical care indications that we predominantly focused on in recent years is that we can get a pretty good indication fairly quickly about whether or not the therapy is working whether or not it's actually helping helping patients so let me give you a couple of examples <hes> so right now our most advanced program is in a phase three clinical trial for treating patients that have suffered in a scheme stroke broke and the longstanding standard of care for treating stroke is a drug that was developed by genentech going back more than twenty years ago drug called t._p._a. And the the purpose of administering p._p._a. is to try and dissolved the clot that has caused the stroke the problem with e._p._a. Is you've you've got to administer it. The patients within the first several hours after the stroke has occurred and you really shouldn't give it after that time because the longer you wait the higher the risk of causing a substantial angel bleeding event in the brain <hes> becomes and so for that reason the f._d._a. And other regulators have said look you can only give it in the first several hours and he really shouldn't give it beyond that point <hes> more recently there've been surgical techniques that have been developed by those are limited to a relatively small percentage of patients because a stroke has to be in a specific part of the brain and again. You have to do it within a fairly narrow window of time. What we've found with multi stem is that we can administer up to thirty six hours. After a stroke occurred which is a timeframe that we believe could be relevant in ninety to ninety five percent of all stroke patients and the the the the nice thing about that in addition to it is that when we run these types of clinical trials we can usually see within then a few months in some cases within a few weeks whether or not patients are getting better following the treatment now we always run randomized double blind placebo control control trials. That's what we tend to focus on <hes> but the reality of it is is that the standard clinical endpoint for running stroke trial is ninety days with a one one year follow up in our face to data. We saw it by ninety days. There was pretty consistent. Evidence of the fact that patients were getting treated with multi stem within that thirty six hour window that they were recovering much better and frankly much faster than patients were being treated with best available standard of care and the data got even better by the time we went out to one year so in contrast with some of the <hes> chronic disease conditions nations where you may have to actually follow patients for <hes> for much longer timeframe. You know these alzheimer's would be a good example typically. You're not gonna be able to see any kind of signal of efficacy within a few months or even within a one year timeframe. It's gonna take a much longer study and it's going to involve a lot of patients <hes> <hes> to be able to detect a significant treatment effect in our case we can actually do it with a much more modest number of patients and we can do it in a much shorter timeframe so that makes it very efficient from an overall development perspective same thing for with another one of our clinical program where we just recently presented at one of the major clinical medical conferences some very exciting data for treating patients that had been diagnosed with acute respiratory distress syndrome so these are patients that maybe maybe they've contracted a pulmonary infection or pneumonia or or might be trauma induced. <hes> acute respiratory distress syndrome but these are patients asian where their lungs become inflamed. They've the lungs fill up with fluid and then the only way to keep the patient alive is to put them on a ventilator and um and we were able to show and we evaluated patients for the standard kind of clinical window which is about a month long. It's twenty eight days long. We showed that when we treated patients within the first several days after they've been placed on a ventilator that we were seeing very exciting evidence that showed that these patients were they had had <hes> meaningfully lower mortality they had meaningfully <hes> <hes> better recovery's with with <hes> more ventilator free days and more i._c._u. Free days within that twenty eight day period so we were seeing a very consistent pattern which was also supported by the biomarker evidence that we generated from the study so again these are two good examples where we can get a pretty good answer within a few weeks to several months about whether or not the administration of the therapy is working and so because of the biological evidence and the clinical data that we've generated that gives us a lot of confidence that we can make a big difference in critical care indications and because we can actually see these affects <hes> in a in a more efficient manner if you will from a clinical trial perspective <hes> that's why we've really focused predominantly and those indications but but that doesn't mean that we're not interested in some of the chronic indications. We're just really pretty. Heavily focused focused on the critical care indications right now because that seems to make the most sense for for what we're trying to do in the case of stroke does the clot have to be dissolved remove before you you can treat with multi stem now in fact what we saw was <hes> either for patients that had gotten to the hospital in time to get treated with t._p._a. Yea but it didn't work or for patients that had undergone thrown back to me but it didn't work because that's another point is that most people don't realize that the <hes> <hes> the majority of patients that get t._p._a. Or the undergrowth from back to me actually don't see meaningful benefit from it and that's because the clock doesn't always resolve where you can't always remove remove the clot but in our case we looked at patients that underwent treatment with t._p._a. <hes> or treatment with thrown back to me as well as patients that didn't get in the hot didn't get to the hospital in time to get either of those therapeutic interventions and what we saw was very consistent benefit in both groups so an answer your question no we we can give this virtually can layer it right on top of standard of care we can give this we believe to the vast majority of patients that are out there and <hes> and in particular killer those patients that have had fairly meaningful <hes> you know what's referred to as moderately significant to severe disability those are the patients is that we think we can really help the most and does the kloten those cases just resolve on its own or does new vascular growth work around it. Well there are cases where the cloud actually resolves on its own. Those cases are referred to as <hes> t._i._a.'s transient ischemic attacks. There are other other cases where patients may experience what's referred to as a focal stroke where they might get a tiny blockage in a small artery it might be a really important part of the brain but <hes> but then the body is able to up regulate compensatory blood flow in the vessels around where that that blockage occurred <hes> <hes> in those cases you see patients actually tend to bounce back <hes> within the first day or so of <hes> of when the event occurred <hes> we have focused our efforts on not on the patients that where you're seeing a goo- a good resolution either because they had a t._i. Or they had a focal stroke. We've actually intentionally focused on the patients that weren't bouncing back so the really challenging cases the ones that nobody can really help with current standard of care are because the interventions either didn't apply to those patients or they didn't work on those patients so we've really focused on the more difficult and challenging cases and that's why it's so exciting adding that we've seen the benefits that we've seen <hes> both in the preclinical work that we've done but also in the in the clinical work that we've done and that's what's led to <hes> special designations has ignatius from the f._d._a. and other regulators around the world so we're one of the only cell therapy companies out there that has three fasttrack designations from the f._d._a. <hes> for our multi stemmed platform and that's pretty exciting and i think it's a good indication that the regulators respect how're approaching the clinical lavalle moment. They're really trying to help us because they see that our technology could have tremendous potential in some very challenging and problematic areas of clinical medicine. I think of a lot of damage in stroke coming from re profusion injuries. I imagine this therapy goes right at that. Is that the case space yeah well. We've actually generated pretty exciting data that shows that in re perfusion injury situations at these cells can provide meaningful benefits and <hes> and again. It's not just just one thing that's that the cells are doing. It's a whole series of things that they're doing and that's one of the powers of what we refer to as <hes> they're kind of like living drug factories victories <hes> they're not actually making drugs per se they're producing biological substances that have very important therapeutic consequences and that helped the body compensate better or help the body recover in some very powerful ways but the interesting thing you know strokes been a very challenging area for a long long long time since t._p._a. Was approved over twenty years ago but pretty much all of the things that people have tried since then have been single agent therapeutic approaches either neuro protectant or next generation clot dissolving agents or what referred to thrombosis medics <hes> in our our case we know in in in those things have really not worked out the way that people had hoped <hes> in our case. We're doing something that is fundamentally different that when we've minister these cells again they're homing properties actually change depending on the underlying nature of the injury or what's going on in the body. We've seen that in many studies that we've run and and we know that the cells can actually react and dynamically responsive way to help the body and the patient recover and that's pretty exciting because it means that it could be a a pretty significant step forward or leap forward in clinical medicine adding another tool to the arsenal that really hasn't been available until now and i think it's one of the reasons why more and more people are recognizing the potential of cell therapy generally and were why we're seeing such momentum in the space you mentioned the f._d._a. Designations moment ago the phase three studies being conducted under a special protocol assessment. What does that mean in terms of the regulatory path forward good for you and if all goes well when might you file for regulatory approvals so it's a little bit too early to give formal guidance on when we you might file for approval but our our goal is to <hes> complete enrollment in our ongoing fees three study by around the end of next year and in in terms of the special protocol assessment and designations that we've gotten from the f._d._a. And other designations from other regulators around the world these are designed zayn to really create a clearer more efficient faster path to the finish line so fasttrack nation is exactly what it sounds like. It's basically see where the the f._d._a. <hes> has has <hes> provided the designation that says that hey in their perspective that they believe the therapy has potential to treat the serious indication or area of medical need and the and it's designed to speed up the regulatory review process us make it easier to file your admission your application for approval <hes> and do other things along the way like re engage in the f._d._a. Have conversations about things. <hes> may may have to be dealt with just along the way you're working to get to the finish line in terms of completing your clinical development and then applying for approval so the s._b._a. In particular is meant to be a structured framework <hes> that says okay if we do the following things and if our trial was successful in that provides the basis for potential approval by the f._d._a. and that's a pretty important step and so the fact that that we were given <hes> <hes> fast track that we also received something called arm at designation which essentially the equivalent to breakthrough therapy designation for cell therapy products and the fact that we have an s._p._a. For this this program i think are all pretty positive indicators that say you know what the regulators are on board. They're really working with us in a in an appropriate practical and pragmatic matt way to help us achieve success and that's pretty exciting. I think a lotta times regulators get a bad rap if you will because many people try to characterize eric rise the f._d._a. or other regulatory agencies as the problem that stands in their way <hes> from getting new therapies developed and you know my experiences and our experiences variances company and many of the people that we work with is is the complete opposite. The f._d._a. wants just like we do they want safer more effective therapies to be developed and available to patients that need help and in fact their job is to make sure that people are actively working towards developing those those therapies but they're doing it in an appropriate way that first and foremost is designed to ensure the safety and wellbeing of people that are participating in clinical trials lyles and ultimately patients for which the therapies are approved <hes> so i'm actually very proud of the fact that we have a strong relationship with the f._d._a. And other key regulatory three agencies around the world in europe and japan and other parts of the world as well <hes> and i'm also very proud of the fact that we view them <hes> we'll work with them and we interact with them in a collaborative collegial way and i think that's really the way that most companies <hes> if not all companies should approach it <hes> <hes> is to view them as the hurdle of the obstacle but really kind of work with them at a constructive manner gilpin boca founder chairman and c._e._o. Of apheresis gill oh thanks so much for your time today. Thanks i appreciate it. Thanks for listening the name the buyer report is a production of the levin media group automatically downloaded this podcast each week subscribe to our r._s._s. feed or through itunes tunes or other podcasts manager join. Our mailing lists go to levin media group dot com. We'd love to hear from you. 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Ruptured Kidney, Ruptured Spleen (Ruptured NBA Career)

Stories I Tell on Dates

46:17 min | 2 years ago

Ruptured Kidney, Ruptured Spleen (Ruptured NBA Career)

"I've got great news in this episode. I'm in love like real love, maybe for the first time. And when you're in love like real love, you tell the big ones for me the biggest one has to do with playing for the Chicago Bulls and the time I almost died. I'm Paul, Shirley. And these are the stories I tell on dates. Los Angeles a Thursday night. She's sitting in the passenger seat of the four wheel drive Volkswagen. I bought to deal with the Kansas winters. It's a little unnecessary here where it doesn't even rain but four times a year. But when I look over at her, I'm not thinking about the Volkswagen or how it's a waste. I'm thinking. She looks exactly like she should look. She's kind to and that's been the real revelation. I met her at the launch party for a website that no longer exists. And when I first saw her it went without saying even thinking that I would talk to her. She was so much my type that it was almost unconscious behavior when I walked up to her stuck out my hand and asked her name. I sent her a message the next day. And then for four days, I didn't hear from her. And that might make you wonder how is that kind? Well, what was kind was that when she did return? My message she explained how she'd lost her phone the very night we'd met she'd written that she'd like talking to me. And then this is X, by the way, we're access her name. Of course, most people in LA wouldn't write that. They just assume you would remember. Pretty much given up on meeting. Anyone special resigned to an admission that my basketball career had excluded me from relationship normalcy? After all, and then this is X, by the way. Until now we've had a find enough date. Not great not terrible. And what I know about dates is that no one remembers not great not terrible. Another thing. I know about dates is that they're writing. And speaking in front of large groups, if you're not willing to be vulnerable. You haven't got a chance. So I take a deep breath and ask her a question. Do you want to hear a story? She turns and I almost gasps. She says it's kind of long I say, it's good. I promise I'll be the judge of that. She says, I know she will. And I know that telling your such a long story is a risk because it might mean that she's texting her friends tomorrow. He told the story that just went on. But I'm going to tell it anyway, because the story explains who I am now and how I'm different than I was and how it got that way. And I want her to understand those things for the same reason anyone has ever wanted anyone to understand them. All right. I say, that's it just all right? She smiles and that's enough. Okay. Let's take a quick break from the story for another story or the continuation of the story about stitch fixing me. 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Three days before I've been in the American Basketball Association playing for the Kansas City knights to the tune of seven hundred dollars a week and bus rides from Fresno to Tijuana now was scoring points inside the former home with Michael Jordan. The only black Mark against my shot was the team that came for you could say the bulls were pretty awful that season. But saying the bulls were pretty awful that season would be like saying Marianas trench is pretty deep. It doesn't exactly capture. The essence of the thing. The bowls have been ruined by youth movement that had put it stock in the wrong youths and the team was tilting and weaving its way through the end of the season like an alcoholic whose habits of finally caught up with him. It was a level of dysfunction that didn't bother me one with. I knew the situation was perfect for me. I'd always shine in chaotic basketball environments, a new head coach, Scott, Scott was the sorta Koshi would probably be impressed, by the way, I played basketball which revolved largely around a willingness to throw my body into almost any fray with little regard for the fact that I was almost always physically overmatched in that fray case in point my new teams last practice before a game against the Indiana Pacers one week after my first NBA points unhappy with the effort put forth by some of the bulls youngest, and is paid employees skylines into the day with four straight scrimmages during each I moved further and further up the depth chart aware that as long as I didn't quit. I would look better than my competition. When the last of the days scrimmages ended an assistant coach pulled me aside, you're going to play a lot. The pacers. He said it was as Kate Hudson character in almost famous as all happening. Sure enough. I was quick into the proceedings in Indianapolis checking in soon after one of the youths did something silly in the first quarter during a subsequent time out. I'd heard the same assistant coach till Schuyler quote doing a hell of a job on our test. So he might want to again, quote, leave me in for a while. Most of the time NBA coaches leave their players in games for eight or nine minutes shifts. It's rare even for regular rotation guys. Play more than twelve minutes in a row, which explains why I was surprised to discover the next time. I looked up at the scoreboard that hung over the Indiana Pacers court that there were five minutes left in the game. I played the previous nineteen minutes was used to playing in minor league games during which I didn't have to try nearly so hard. So I was exhausted. But I knew that my exhaustion wasn't important. What was important was that? I finished the game. I didn't have to lead my new team to a win in the process, especially because that would have been impossible, but with us being down by thirty points. All I had to do was get to the end. And this might turn out to be the sort of game that bolted me into scales regular rotation for good. And who knew what might come from that the NBA is full of guys who were in the right place at the right time and ended up in the league ten years. For example, the player I'd noticed on the wing opposite from me Austin Crozier who was finishing up along exorbitant contract. He'd signed with the Pacers. After a strangely productive playoff run. Several years before Crozier had caught the ball in play with details aren't important in had an unimpeded path to the basket. I knew I could pretend to hadn't noticed him. It wasn't my fault. He was open after all. But I also knew that such luxuries are only available to players on five year contracts. The fate of my career it was tied to making the right decision in situations. Like, these I dragged my tired, but enthusiastic body across the lane found a position between Crozier's body in the basket, and stuck up my hands hoping I'd arrived in time to take charge. One of those fouls. See in basketball wherein defender falls to the ground and the referee points accusingly at the guy who ran into him as Crozier rose toward the basket. His knees slammed into the left side of my body. And I hit the floor like a sack of potatoes that's fallen off the back of an Idaho truck like someone who's taking charge. Should it was a picture? Perfect effort play exactly the sort of thing. I'd been put on the court to do. There was one problem. I hadn't gone down only because I wanted to draw foul on Crozier. I was hurt. I ran through the possibilities. Like, Terminator scanning hardware knocked down. Now. I can breathe mostly anyway. Did you know that wasn't it? Although it had been a close call. No, no. And no, I was processing all of this just fine while my body continued its analysis, I wriggled towards the baseline trying to get out of the way so Crozier could shoot his free throw in the game. Could go on. I wanted skies in the coaching staff to remember the job done on our test. Not the time I'd cracked a rib or whatever this was at the end of my tour of duty the bulls head athletic trainer. Ted was that my side before I stopped my weird imitation of an earthworm in a drying puddle. What's wrong? He asked kneeling next to me under the basket down that way, I said waving toward my midsection, my CPU still hadn't come up with a satisfactory explanation. Ted in is assistant pulled me off the floor. I hobbled to the Pacers on site. X Ray machine where it was determined that I hadn't broken any ribs. This was terrible news. My midsection felt like someone. Had worked it over with a ball p hammer, and it was only a bruise by the time. I was done in the miniature of medical facility inside the Pacers can Saco field house the game. Didn't I rejoined my teammates on the way to the locker room where I showered feeling queasy and dizzy, Ted took my blood pressure twice. And I let him not really asking why I was concentrating on breathing without making my side hurt too much when everyone was cleaned up. We got on the bus bound for the airport. NBA teams use chartered plane. So they are free to fly home or to the next city immediately after the game and also because chartered planes are really nice in professional basketball players are spoiled in this case, we were headed home back to Chicago where sweet relief awaited in the form of my room at the residence in across the parking lot from the bulls practice facility Ted had called ahead in a flight attendant and built for me a makeshift bed in one of the many spaces available on any plane built for two hundred but outfitted for fifty on the floor was a thin mattress of the sort one might encounter on a high bed. A couple of blankets and a pillow. I didn't ask why he was being so good to me. Instead, I plopped down curled into a ball. Still concentrating breathing. Ted made sure I was comfortable and told me he was going back to his seat for takeoff. Pat it in my leg reluctant to leave. Then you gave me one last look turn for the back watching him. Go was Gotti Pippen who was sitting in the seat across from my birth. As a kid. I'd never understood all the fuss over Michael Jordan, the shoes the posters, the jerseys. My friends thought it didn't make sense. Why would anyone want to cheer for the best player in the world? Wasn't that like cheering for the sheriff of Nottingham gargle? Mel the big school hickory high had to play in the state finals. I'd always had a soft spot for Scotty Pippin. However, he seems daily noble in bemused by Jordan's sent as if he had a lot to say what he wasn't necessarily saying after a falling out with bulls management around the time Tim Floyd took over as head coach of the bulls Pippen had left Chicago playing the next five seasons for the Houston Rockets in Portland trailblazers. Had re-signed with the bulls only one month before I had arrived. Ostensibly, he was there to play. But in reality he'd come home to retire. He hadn't played a game since I've been on the team there had as yet been no. Shirley scored. In fact, we probably hadn't said more than three words to one another. This though was about three more words than Pippen had said to anyone else. Across the aisle in our plane bound for Chicago Pippen looked down his long nose at me like he was velociraptor. And I was a meal not worth chasing, he nodded, and I noted back, and he returned his attention to the movie was watching on one of the portable DVD players that were all the rage at the time. Then the plane began to move. When I was young my parents framed the remaining distance in any car ride in terms of the number of episodes of sesame street's one hour or mister Rogers neighborhoods, thirty minutes, it would last a trip to my paternal grandparents was four sesame street's if we were going to my mother's side who's to sesame street's in one. Mr. Rogers are flight back to Chicago was supposed to last only one Sesame Street. But as the plane picked up speed in the rotgut bumpy, it became clear that this was going to be a Sesame Street marathon like they ran during those stupid telephones. I told myself to breed to take it easy that it would all be over soon. Just like the game. I only had to endure no heroics just survival. And then we'd be back in Chicago. And I could collapse inside my room liftoff brought relief from the tarmacs bumps. But by the flights fifteen minute, Mark it felt like someone was stabbing me in the side. Jay, I realize is a fairly tired. Similarly, I should probably say it felt like someone was extracting my internal organs through pasta maker or something similarly, creative. But the truth was that it felt exactly like someone. Was stabbing me in the side. I tried again toll myself to breathe like I said it out loud. But then after another five minutes of breathing and squinting and hurting and twisting and talking to myself, I turned to my only link with the real world and said Scottie, go, get dead Scottie. Pippen looked down at me. Again, his face is placid and noncommittal as it was when he was standing at the free throw line and his glory days bull. Then he unbuckled his seat belt and unfolded his legs. So he could go find help as we rose through the air, the pain in my side and back intensified such that it no longer felt only like someone was stabbing me it felt as if something was growing inside me and wanted out like I was living out that famous scene from. Alien at the start of the worst of it. I had the presence of mind to wonder how I was going to live down shrieks echoing back to me from inside the confines base of the airplane for a few moments during the game. I've been a part of the action just another guy on the team. Now, it was making what could only be described as a scene. My concern for my image was short-lived by the time our pilot leveled our plane, I didn't much care about my reputation or about anything at all. Really? I was just glad I'd found a position that sort of helped lying catty corner on the mattress curl just slightly on my right? Good side breathing short, rapid brats since hip and had gone to retrieve him Ted hadn't left my side as we through the mid nights guy. I asked him over and over what was wrong with me. He said over and over that he didn't know what he did. No. I could tell from his is was that. He was scared. I asked if there was anything he could do something I could take for the pain. Maybe. But no, he said, he didn't know what was wrong. So it wouldn't be a good idea to start giving me pills. Okay. So what am I gonna pass out? Ted grimaced shook his head and put out his hand for me to hold onto. Our descent into Chicago was pure madness. As far as I was concerned, I was screaming and crying and my fingers and toes were numb from hyperventilating. Which was alarming to me because at the time I didn't have access to the rational cause and effect of the previous clause, Ted handed me a paper bag and told me to breathe into the landing only made things worse, turning my gut like it was a kitchenaid mixer. I might have thought then that at least I was close to help. But help brought with it. Another challenge. I was going to have to move midway through our flight Ted sent someone to the front of the plane to talk to the pilots, they'd radioed ahead O'hare and had gotten permission to land as soon as we arrived in Chicago airspace. An ambulance would be waiting on the runway such are the perks. When you're an NBA basketball player. Possibly dying. Ted told me all of this in a part of me, the part, we all have that is available to detach from the mind and body and gain something like perspective thought about how ridiculous. This was all going to seem later if it turned out that I just had a broken rib Pacers x-ray machine at missed. As promised the ambulance wasn't far away. Three. Paramedics used the plane's rear entrance hustled their way to the front won and became my gravest enemy. He said I was going to have to help them get me onto the stretcher. Like some ruined wild animal or a drunk. Courtney love twisted myself into the corner of the birth and any movement getting stabbed in the side. Again, I breathed a few times and then on someone's count to three close my eyes and tossed myself up toward the waiting medical arms. But I didn't make it. I hadn't heaved hard enough. I collapsed onto the mattress the paramedic. Got simultaneously stern and tender come on, buddy. You gotta do this. And so I did my second. Try was just successful enough to land my shoulders waiting arms, those arms and a few others dragged me onto a stretcher bright closed. My eyes is the pain washed over my midsection. By now that pain had become almost cleansing. I didn't care about anything about the future. Not the past up. The fact that I was being carried past the entire roster and staff of the Chicago Bulls the team I joined only a week before on a stretcher accompanied by three EMT's. When we got to the hospital three men lifted me onto an examination table. Someone told me that if I couldn't turn over they were going to have to cut off my shirt. I was fond of that shirt a blue and white checked long-sleeve. I'd had since college, and I had enough neural capacity remaining to think about how holy bizarre. It was to think that I could be so incapacitated that yes, sir. You're going to have to cut that mother fucker off. Not long after I was rushed down a hallway and into a CT machine. I had to imagine what the root looked like because I had my eyes closed. Most of the way, my guide was Ted's voice. Which was there all along breathing soothing words into my ear like son after the scan wheeled back to the exam room where I was finally given a diagnosis. Ruptured spleen fractured left kidney. When Crozier's needed hit me, the two organs it slammed into my backbone opening up, my water balloons, hurled at a telephone pole at that moment. The blood that usually stays conveniently within those two organs have begun pouring into what I learned is called the retro peritoneal, cavity and one's retro. Peritoneal? Cavity is not used to dealing with excess blood especially when exposed to the trauma of a bumpy ride down a runway in the pressure changes of both sent and decent. Retro peritoneal cavities are Prissy that way, thus the pain. I'd been feeling pain. That was probably unlike any pain, I will ever feel again, unless I become a very bad bullfighter. Well, excess blood in my retro peritoneal cavity was not the optimal arrangement for such blood. My discomfort was not the doctors main concern, they were worried that I was bleeding from my left renal artery which connects to the kidney if the renal artery was damaged. I would need surgery and fast to keep from bleeding out or in. As was actually the case. Wheeled to the intensive care unit while some wizard radiology scrutinized the results of the team pretty soon, the verdict, my renal artery hadn't been nicked. And I didn't need immediate surgery. That did not mean that I was ready for a return to the basketball court. Ted told me the doctors were worried about the blood loss. And there was a pretty good chance that they'd have to take out both Oregon's they'd know more in the morning. He said, so why didn't I just get some sleep? I was ready to take him up on the offer. Pain makes not only cowards of us all also sleep yet pain and dilated that is after I slid into unconsciousness at three thirty in the morning. Ted called my parents at home, they'd gone that evening with friends to watch our game against the Pacers at a sports bar in Topeka when I'd gone down. They've wondered by the way I'd fallen if something serious had happened and win Ted roused my mother from bed. She said she wasn't surprised to be hearing from him. She was though surprised by the tone of Ted's voice. And when she got off the phone. She bought a ticket for a flight to Chicago the next morning because when your children are homesick at SCI camp, you leave them there. But when you're children have just had two of their internal organs bladder you fly to them immediately. I spent the next nine days in the hospital five of those in the step down unit, which is where they put you. If you're not quite wrecked enough for intensive care. My mother was by my side for most of it. In a good thing too. I was so adult by painkillers. I couldn't come up with an answer win during half hearted efforts across word. She said. Word for man's best friend starts with gene over the course of my stay. There were many frantic consultations, and as it became clear that I was in less and less danger, many less frantic ones when one of our doctors found out that my mother was a nurse and that I was starting to comprehend words longer than one suitable. He took us on a guided tour of the scan that told my story the huge pocket of blood forced my spleen in left kidney into positions like he'd never seen before. I wasn't going to be playing basketball anytime soon. Or running or lifting weights or staying up right for any amount of time longer than fifteen minutes. I was going to get to keep my spleen and kidney and leave the hospital. The first sensations to hit me were smells after a week and a half away from the world my nose had gotten used to realty. And now an olfactory onslaught it was springtime in Chicago. So trees were budding and blooming shooting pollen into the air the ground was still wet from winter. So there was Pete in the cocktail to go put it all in turning to smile up at my mom who was pushing the wheelchair. I was in. She said it, smells, so good. The rest of my senses weren't far behind. I love the sights and the sounds to the sun glinting off the hood of a car shuffle of feed people walked past me. It was if you'll pardon the descent into cliche like being born again. My mother spent the next two weeks in the room above me at the residents in the doctor had been right? I couldn't stay upright for more than fifteen minutes, nor could I make it up. A flight of stairs. Thanks to all the blood. I'd lost. My hemoglobin was hovering around not enough. And I felt most of the time like someone suffering from extreme altitude sickness. I didn't really care though. I hadn't been wrong about the fear. I noticed in Ted's is on the plane. He'd spent several years as a trainer for the San Francisco forty Niners and had seen a couple of ruptured spleens in his football days. He knew they could go quickly from bad to really bad. And that putting me on the plane hadn't in retrospect bene-, very good idea. In other words, he'd been afraid I might die. He wasn't the only one. I wouldn't have been able to articulate it at the time. But as we've been flying across the midwest, I've known on some level that something was terribly wrong. With me that I might be dying. Thanks to the pain at didn't care if I did. None of this though was something I could express with any coherence what I did know was that. I couldn't figure out why in the hell the team doctor kept telling me I'd be able to play again after three months, look pal. I wanted to say for now, let's just enjoy walking and smelling. The bull season ended with almost no fanfare in pretty soon. I was back in Kansas City. The bulls had an option on my contract. But again, let's just enjoy walking. And smelly. I wasn't sure what I was going to do with my newfound outlook until Scott Wittman called Weltman had been my coach with the Kansas City knights the team for which I'd played before being called up by the bulls. He also wants been a sharpshooter for the Boston Celtics. And when I told him that I couldn't run or jump a light went on in his head. Meet me at the gym next week. He said, but I can't do anything. I said trust me, Paul. And so I spent the next six weeks of my life. Revamping the way I shot in the way, I thought about life changes were long overdue one year before Austin Crozier's need destroyed some of my internal organs. I've lost the use of my right arm after Mangla the break, yo plexus nerve and that arm by slamming my neck into a teammate's chest during a practice in Spain. I'd always been a reasonably good shooter. But since the nerve injury, my form the way, I shot had become a rube Goldberg machine all compensations and tricks to keep anyone. Knowing that I barely knew what I was doing anymore. We started small me in front of the basket. No more than two feet away. Weltman talking through the principles of shooting. He'd learned as a pro as my body healed. We moved further and further away, my form stayed the same wedman's voice was always there. Telling me to bend, my knees to shoot using the force generated by my legs to breathe by the end of the summer. I almost couldn't miss this, though, wasn't entirely because mechanics Weltman had me thinking about basketball differently. I got interested in meditation and visualization reading a book called the inner game of tennis. The point of which is to remind us that the cognitive side of our brain is often. Our enemy all the instinctive side is usually our friend. In August after my injury. A doctor told me the pocket of blood that had once been the size of a football had shrunk to something fist-sized enough progress that I could start running. Then my agent called the Phoenix Suns had invited me to training camp. My fourth such inviting for years once again, I would be fighting for a roster spot on an unguaranteed contract. Once again, the odds would be stacked aggressively against me, but I can tell on my first day in camp that something was different. The first time I caught the ball on a pass from Steve Nash. I took a shot without a second thought it's wash through the net. The next time down the court same result. I played in Phoenix as well as I'd ever played rarely missing the long jump shots that made Nash look for me when we ended up on the same team. I survived the first round of cuts, and then the second and then opening day arrived and glory glory. Hallelujah. I'm still on the Suns roster. The first time I've been on an NBA team in the season started done it. Sure. It had been a hellish year a hellish two years. In fact, if you counted that injury to the nerve in my arm, but that misery was all behind me. I'd made my third NBA team and the best one yet. This was the Phoenix Suns of daughter Meyer, Shawn Marion and Nash who would be named the NBA's most valuable player well leading the Suns to a sixty two and twenty regular season record tops in the NBA Kate Hudson and come back to see me. And this time she was carrying flowers. Nothing. Could stop me. Now. Nothing but general manager Bryan Colangelo who asked to see me after the regular seasons. I practice one day before my debut as a Phoenix people'd up a chair across from the one that sat in front of my locker and told me the team had just gotten word that the Memphis grizzlies were going to buy out the contract of Bo outlaw who'd been a fan favourite in one of his previous jobs in Phoenix. The sons were going to have to release me. So they could sign out law whom the grizzlies were so anxious to have not play for their team that they were willing to pay him a couple of million dollars. I was twenty three the first time. I was cut by an NBA team. I've gone to training camp with the defending world champion, Los Angeles, Lakers. Phil Jackson, Shaquille O'Neal Kobe Brian at first I'd been overmatched anytime I checked in. But I made quick progress. I understood the triangle offense almost instinctively I was more than anyone thought I got along with shack. And so by the third week of training camp. I was starting to dream big. Maybe I'd make the team after all. The call came to my hotel room near the Lakers training facility. There's always a hotel room near the training facility. The coaches wanted to see me when I was finished being released. I went back to the hotel room and fell onto my bed. Crying the desperate cries of someone who's world has just crashed in around him. I expected something similar to happen when I was cut by the sons so much so that I could feel myself girding against Pierce. His cO Angelo's words, can those tears didn't come being cut wasn't such a big deal. Because at least I could walk and smell. I shook Colangelo hand and told him I appreciate the opportunity, but not like an asshole, I really had appreciated the opportunity, and I wrote a long note to the team on the locker rooms dry array sports, telling them, I was happy. I'd gotten to spend some time with them. And that I was sure good things in store for them. Sure. Pack my bags and went back to Kansas City where after three weeks my agent called to tell me that a team in Russia wanted me to come play for them. The Russian team was willing to sign me to a month to month contract. If I didn't like Russia, I could leave after one month the deal would be the same after the second month. Oh, and by the way, we're going to pay me forty thousand dollars for each of those months. It was my fourth year as a professional basketball player and already made enough money to pay off half the mortgage on my house in Kansas City was pretty fantastic I thought, but one cannot play basketball forever. The nature of tendons, ligaments is that they have finite. Life spans. So on Thanksgiving Day, I left for Kazan Russia. I arrived at Moscow's Domo Dogo airport with big instruction to look for a man holding us on with my name on the man was there, and he had a sign. Sure enough, but it turned out that Paul Shirley was the extent of his English aptitude using a variety of creative hand motions. The man made it clear that we are going to get my bags and take them to his car. So he could drive me across Moscow to be airport where I would connect. Because. What he didn't mention the car in question had floorboard so rotten that by the time we arrived at Sheremetevo airport. Two hours later my bags and their contents would be soaked with the melted. Snow that had worked its way into what was once dry space for luggage. Inside the other airport. The man handed me the Russian equivalent of fifty dollars can explain with his hands. That my flight wasn't until ten pm. It was currently ten AM in that. I would have to pay the money to someone for my luggage. I wasn't overjoyed to have a twelve hour layover in an airport filled with people who looked like they'd been cast off from the Cantina scene. As far as I could tell there was nothing to keep the angry looking socks and Tajiks from walking off with my bags security was not tight. But I couldn't help the next flight to Kansas City. So I waved goodbye smelly man and gamely found a spot on a bench where I laid out on the floor of the books. I brought with me there pages had taken the brunt of the snow's abuse. I went to the bathroom twice each time. I packed everything. I owned almost literally onto baggage carton took it with me eating presented a similar challenge with the added obstacle of the ceramic language, which made the word chicken look to my brain. Like, something Charlie. Brown's teacher would say. After my day of vigilance, I boarded a Siberian airlines flight to Kazakhstan no one had a rooster on his lap. But it looked like someone could have if they'd wanted to seats were missing the carpet looked like it had been transplanted from fraternity house floor in my seat mate. Wore the same expression, you see on death row inmates who've just been informed that the requests they've put in for their last meals have been summarily ignored. We landed in Kazakhstan at midnight this time I was met by someone a little more cheery teams general manager who apologized for the long day. I didn't do it in joked about Kazan's location, so far from Moscow, then I was bundled into the back of a windowless van and we set out for the city. The ride was bumpy in unsettling, and I was terrified the whole time. This turned out to be not only a pretty good description of the thirty minute trip from the airport to the hotel. But also my next two months in Russia. The temperature rarely rose above freezing no-one smiled. I couldn't come to terms with the harshness of the Russian language, which whenever it hit. My ears made me think someone was very angry with me. The next two months felt like six when they were over. It was time to decide whether I would stay for the remainder of the year. If I said, yes, I would be in Kazakhstan until may or June and everyone said springtime in Kazan was far better than wintertime in Kazakhstan. I would also make two hundred thousand dollars effectively doubling my career take as a basketball player and giving me some breathing room. If I needed to spend another year in the minor leagues chasing, my dream of a long term contract in the NBA, but none of that took into account. How I felt about the loneliness the ups and downs the bizarre nature of the existence. I'd chosen it wasn't just Russia that had me down. I just turned twenty seven and it had been three years since I'd been in the same place for longer than three months. I hadn't had a girlfriend since college. I played my last game in the country in a city just outside of Moscow, we stayed in resort that had a bowling alley attached. And I bowled a one twelve with the girl who shown me the sodium Beka tower who'd flown to Moscow to say goodbye, two days later, the same guy who picked me up at Domoni dove. Oh took me to the airport. His breath remained. Reminiscent of a dumpster this time my bags stay dry as we arrived at the departures terminal. He got a call and passed the phone to me it was the team's general manager. How about fifty five thousand dollars for each? I've never known for sure what my father made as a research analyst working for the Kansas department of corrections. But I was always under the impression that it was between forty thousand and fifty thousand dollars annually. I was being offered slightly more than that per month to play a game. I looked out at the monolithic airport. No more monolithic than any other. I suppose in shook my head who was I that. I was being offered two hundred seventy five thousand dollars to play five months of basketball, more important. Who was I I was going to turn that much money down someone who quite simply couldn't do it anymore. Thanks. I said with a smile, but I gotta go home. Two nights. After the ten hour flight that took me from Moscow to New York. I drove from Kansas City to my parents house at the intersection of those gravel roads, I grown up on in theory. I was there to open the Christmas and birthday presents. I'd missed while in Russia. But really I was there because I needed someone to take care of me to tell me that things would be okay to help me figure out what I was going to do with my life. I'd taken my shots. I with the bulls than with the Suns and then in Russia of all places, but I didn't have any more shots in me. I couldn't imagine going to play for yet another minor league team or going back overseas or wallowing in misery in Kansas City. Trying to pretend I was happy with the way my life. It turned out. The funny thing was I wasn't sure I cared. Maybe it was time to put my engineering degree to use. Maybe at twenty-seven. I'd reached my limit with basketball. After supper as I prepared to join my parents in a night of bad reality television, while the deep Kansas darkness raged outside. I noticed that my phone was causing a commotion on top of the bookshelf where I'd said it considered ignoring it. But then figured there wasn't much. Anyone can do to take me out of the reverie? I'd found I smiled when I saw it was my agent. I assumed he was calling to debrief me and to make fun of me for costing him twenty seven thousand five hundred dollars basketball agents, get a healthy ten percent of European contracts. I know I'm an idiot. I said as I answered who said that you assumed you might be. But luckily, you have the best agent in the world. Are you sitting down Paul hold on? I said I pulled open the sliding glass door and flopped into one of the green chairs on the deck that hangs over the driveway. Where I I learned how to shoot a basketball. I've learned over the years that when people tell you to sit down for a phone call. You should listen I rocked back in told my agent. I was ready staring up at all the stars. That are available for viewing at my parents house. Tomorrow. The Phoenix Suns are trading away three players for Jim Jackson been they're going to sign you what the sons they're trading three players and they want to sign me. News will hit tomorrow you'll fly out the day after. If my agent had been on the deck with me, he would have seen me shaking my head. I mean, if it hadn't been so dark, partly at the absurdity of my life, but mostly because while he didn't know it. I wasn't sure I wanted to agree to the deal to go to Phoenix on a ten day contract and try to prove myself again worrying about every jump shot, and what it meant for my future. Just didn't really saw. Oh in Paul. Here's the best part. I got them to sign you to the end of the year with a team option for next year. How's that you heard me you're in the NBA again? And this time you're gonna stay for a while. When my agent was finished convincing me that he wasn't joking. He went over the particulars. And then swore me to radio silence with anyone. But my parents when I went back inside those parents looked up from the biggest loser with similarly quizzical expressions on their faces. I looked down at my phone, then I looked up at them. Apparently, the Phoenix Suns are going to sign me for the rest of the year. My parents reaction was emblematic of their response to most of the news. I ever gave them about my basketball career, my dad's stuck out his bottom lip and nodded. My mom said. Like, I just told her I'd gotten an a on a math test. Yeah. I said, I think so. The trade happened. The next day I flew to Phoenix, by way of Memphis the day after that signing a contract with the sons for the rest of the season a season that ended in the Western Conference finals when the sun's lost to the San Antonio Spurs after shooting guard, Joe Johnson broke his face in a freak accident involving the arena floor. I rarely played on the team's historic run. Which would have been disconcerting to the old version of me. But the new me didn't much care. I learned some lessons on a plane in a hospital bed and on the steps of Russia. I was happy with what I've found. An NBA all star team just a place where everyday people were happy to see me. One of those people was an assistant coach who called me into his office one day after practice. He pulled out a digital camera and showed me a picture he'd taken it was of the note I've written on the locker rooms dry erase board. When I've been cut back in the fall when I saw that he said, I had a feeling you'd be back. Gosh, she says I look over in the window pastor the neon lights of the city of commerce meld together like a time lapse photograph. Yeah. I see. It was a long story she nods and holds my eyes with hers. I wonder what you were like before. I turn to the dark road ahead. White dashes flickering as we drive across them me too. I say then I glanced over at her sorry. That was a little melodramatic. I'm different now. But I'm not that different. Like, I'll always be a bit of a warrior and all always have a hard time, relaxing. But getting hurt like that. It changed me made me see things differently she nods, and I look back at the road. You must have been scary. She says usually when people say this. I shrug and say it wasn't so bad. I was so so scared I see. I look over at her passing the commerce casino where I'd once one three hundred dollars playing poker twice lost two hundred dollars playing poker. Sorry, she says, and it seems like she means it like I said kind I turn back to the dark highway in tap the steering wheel. You know? I say, I'm not sure I've ever told that story that way before how can you tell story a different way? Well, sometimes I talk about how the explosion of my kidney and spleen was a good reminder that I'd lost sight of what I cared about in basketball, which is true, by the way. And sometimes I talk about how without the injury. I don't think I would have connected with writing like, I did which is also true when I was playing for the sons, that's when I got asked to write for their website, which led to the book deal, which led to me being here in LA. Why did you tell it to me this way? The answer is simple because with the right person. It's not about being entertaining or funny or Geraldo telling the story in a simple way. So there's a cause and effect easy to process bang. I got her Bank. I was different with the right person. It's enough to let the story unwind to let them come to their own conclusions. I affected twinkle in my and I say because I think you're worth it. And this is enough for now. Thanks for staying all the way to the end on a serious note. I appreciate that. 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Words Matter Library: The Vagina Bible

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Words Matter Library: The Vagina Bible

"Welcome to words matter with Katie Barlow and Joe Lockhart. This is the words matter library. Our guest today is a medical doctor on a mission to create a better medical etiquette. Internet Dr Jen Gutter has been called twitter's resident gynecologist the Internet's OBGYN. She's a fierce advocate for women's health in addition to her academic publications. Doctor Gunter is a contributor to the New York. Times and her work has appeared in USA Today. The hill the cut and self she's the author of a new book the China Bible Dr John Gunter. Welcome to words matter. Thank you so much for having me. We're GONNA talk about your book and your work in a minute but first. Let's talk about you. Okay I read the story of how you decided to become a medical doctor when you were eleven and had a skateboarding accident talk about that and talk about how that experience changed changed you sure so I was a thinker was ten. When I had the accident I can't remember I was ten or eleven but I had a skateboard and I fell all I wasn't very good but I thought I was and so I fell on my back and her really badly and I ruptured spleen so my my mother said it was my fault falling so she just left me at home with my ruptured spleen and the good news is there is a pediatric surgeon who lived down the street and so the next day so I spent the whole night with a ruptured spleen which isn't very good and the pediatric surgeon said. Hey I know jen and she's not a complainer so if if she was up all night crying. Maybe I want to take her to the doctor so fast forward we go to the doctor. We have to go by bus. 'cause my mother didn't drive because that's a sign of weakness. It just gives you an idea what the bringing and so I walked two blocks and took two buses with a ruptured spleen and anyway so I had to have all these invasive tests to to figure out what was going on because in those days there was no such thing as C. T. Scans or ultrasound or MRI. There was no non invasive imaging so I had to have an emergent Angiogram I was really just fascinated. I was in the Interventional Radiology Suite. All these people dressed in the theater of the operating room and they came to sedate me. They were GonNa give me some valium a shot and I said I want to watch it and it stopped. I was precocious for eleven might also surprise everybody and very tall. All I think it was already five eight or five nine so I probably looked sixteen and they said can you hold still and I was used to doing what adults told me so. I said yes I can on so I held very still and they let me watch the whole thing on the monitor and I heard a little bit but it was really interesting and the interventional radiologist explained leaned everything to me and I was just fascinated by it and I thought well this is kind of interesting so then the good news is my mother's negligence saved my spleen I didn't have to have it out. They were able to monitor it but the bad news or good news depending on your perspective. Is they found out. I had kidney disease. I had to have a kidney removed so I had a lot of interaction with the healthcare system that summer as you can imagine and I just got really fascinated by it. I thought I think I'm GonNa do this and you grew up in Canada. I grew up in Canada and went back later as a patient. You realize there was a lot of medical miss and disinformation out there. How did your experience as a patient mother. Other premature babies shape your role as an activist on healthcare education information. I have to say before I had that experience. I I didn't think as much about the patient experience or I couldn't have thought about the patient experience in a way and I wanna be really clear. I mean you don't have to have cancer to be an oncologist. You don't have to have a neurological condition to be a neurologist too. However understanding how hard it is to be patient puts things in perspective for are you so so yeah I was sort of placed firmly on this other side where there is no a no ability to control anything going on and I started to turn to the Internet and found that I was had such trouble finding good quality information and I got lured in by blogs and alternative medicine insights and at one point. I almost took my son to China for a stem cell treatment because when you have a kid that's not getting better with conventional medicine. Send an email. I knew that we'd exhausted conventional medicine or we were at the limits of Conventional Medicine these ideas stick in your mind and they're really hard it to get out that is surprising that even as a trained medical professional you ran into this now. I read somewhere else where your motto is facts matter. We it's pretty good. Yeah talk a little bit about that. Disinformation particularly in the area women's health the problem is as you can be as facts matter as I cam and then still it's the emotional ties you know we're so drawn by stories and we they're such an emotional aspect of things when you're sick and if you you haven't been listened to or science doesn't have an answer for you which is unfortunately very common for many medical conditions that women face if you've been systematically ignored or systematically not listened to and I even wasn't listened to at times with my kids in the office and I found really hard. I would say like why. Would you think I would make this up like it's kind of weird but you find that when you're disenfranchised is so easy to go to the person who seems to not be treating you that way but of course it's all a veneer. It's no different than the you know the sideshow carnival person offering to see cross my palm and I'll tell you your future. They're offering to be your best friend but they're not actually giving you science of red. You're worse than New York Times but you really came on my radar. Recently as I was scrolling through twitter. Can I saw your response to Marianne Williamson where she claims that she pro science and medicine and I had approached this from a journalistic critique of how journalists and other people in what we do retreating this a lot of the late night comedians have had fun with us a lot of commentators but if I were you took a very different approach you provided a factual critique of her book of course on weight loss. Let her words speak for themselves. I was curious true is why did you decide that you want to take on a presidential candidate this environment because I'm sure that the reaction on twitter was anything like the reaction I got was pretty strong. Yeah I s you know. It's my first time. Taking on a presidential candidate took on Ben Carson over his lies about the need for fetuses to a study for health reasons so I was prepared for that kind of backlash and you know I don't really care because the facts matter and you can be a person and say well. You know I'm not fat shaming or I've only tried to help people and so I just thought well. Let's let your words speak for themselves and these are the things you wrote and so oh. I just thought I would take the words out. I would read passages. I promote put some videos up as well frankly. Some of the language is so full of mysticism. I like. I don't even understand it. I graduated needed medical school when I was twenty three and if I can't understand what you're writing about medicine then I'm like notch or how well that's speaking to everybody. I mean it's just pure mysticism. I'm mixed with components of shaming and completely no capacity to understand how to deal with issues how to talk about. Wade issues. It's all the worst things possible and so I just thought I would put those words out and let them speak for themselves is more important to correct people in the public domain people who are leaders people people who are high profile people people who were running for president on these issues. It seems to me that there was a time when politician sort of stayed out of those things now we haven't anti anti-factory was president of the United States and somebody like Miss Williamson who has been writing these things for a long time has a huge following is important to really to call that that out even more so than just the person on twitter who's making a claim that is not true which never happens on absolutely I think each each level of additional privilege that you have you have to be ever so more mindful because people are listening to what you say and if you're hoping to lead the the country you're going to be involved in health policy and it's really important for me to know if you believe in magic or if you Cleveland facts and if you believe magic about one thing then what else do you believe magic or is this whole thing gripped. I think people need to know what is it. Do you have a complete lack. Komo understanding about medicine and you're going to run a country based on mysticism. I don't want that or was all Griff to publish a book and elevate your platform well. I don't that is my president either so I just try to keep my commentary to what I know. I don't feel I can critique people's conversations about climate climate change or critique their conversations about roads and highways but I can certainly critique what they write about medicine thought it was extraordinarily well done and you talked about healthcare care policy. You know you mentioned you're from Canada and you are licensed both there and here. I'm board certified in both countries. Your personal and professional lives are sort of a comparative imperative experience in the healthcare systems of both countries and here's what he said he said America's the only first world country who hasn't figured out how to take care of All of its people equitably. There is something very wrong with the idea that genetics our income can determine whether you get surgery since we are at a moment where these issues because of the the presidential campaign because of some of the things we're talking about are being discussed and I don't really think that we consult. I worked in the Senate Finance Committee during Clinton Healthcare and we didn't consult sold any actual doctor when we did that from a policy perspective. How do we change that problem that you've identified and I think that is really one of the things that it's at the core of the debate. Will it's such a bizarre concept to me to tie your health insurance to your employer. Like why is your employer responsible for that. I mean your employer also doesn't doesn't keep your air clean and your employer doesn't keep your water supply clean. The government does that the government controls hopefully is involved with our air quality and the government controls our water quality. Those are things that keep us healthy so I find it such an odd concept tie it to your place of employment. I'm not talking about like as an added benefit on top because there's a lot of countries that have universal health care also that's a benefit some employers offer but I'm talking about your basic healthcare and this idea that that people are are paying hundreds or thousands of dollars a month for insulin when the patent was given for free by Canadians right so it's so cruel to say that well sorry you're going to have to spend fifteen hundred a month on your insulin and too bad or hitting me for my kids. I mean when they were born. They needed an injection once a month month called Senate does to protect them from a virus called. RSV which is devastating for premature infants and in fact my son got it after he graduated out of not needing getting the shot anymore so he was two and a half and almost died in the ICU from the virus. That's how important it is to prevent it and you know the shots thousand dollars ray of two kids who can afford that we had really good health insurance and had Medicaid backup for a time because you get it based on birth weight prematurity and we ran out of our oxygen benefits. Both my kids were on oxygen and we ran out of the amount of oxygen that we were allotted. We used up that supply for the year. Are I mean how ridiculous is that nevermind cruel and everything else so this idea that healthcare is a privilege doesn't seem right to me L. Care. Everybody deserves healthcare absolutely Iran interviewer you said that you've had wonderful but also horrible health care experiences and you went on to say say that had you been less empowered or facing systemic racism. Things could have turned out way worse in some situations. Could you elaborate a little bit because I think that's a really important point when we talk about healthcare and when we talk about this issue that people really don't mention yeah I mean I think that really opened my eyes and you know maybe filled me a little bit with shame. Gosh I I hope I've never been like that as a physician by all we can also do is also learn and try to do better going forward but yeah my son. Oliver the one who was in the ICU had been having trouble breathing and I'm a doctor mom and he'd been in out of the hospitals like it's not really that bad and then he was kind of getting worse and worse so I took him to an urgent care clinic and the Urgent Care Clinic was like we're going to call nine one one so we went by ambulance so hospital and I was like Oh so we get there and he's really quite ill now. I'm like Oh totally under called this were there. His oxygen levels are low. He's probably got influenza. Maybe not waiting for the tests and and he perked up for about five minutes. Sometimes you can kids can look like they're so well enough for like five minutes look fine and during the five minutes he looked okay. The doctor came in and the doctor said Wall Yeah. He looks fine. You can go home and I said well I mean we transferred by ambulance here and I'm not trying to like pullman can say I'm also oh one of your colleagues here at this institution but I was super tired four in the morning and my other son's at home and I just said I think that he's actually really ill and he just looks good now all that you walked in but he's really sick and he accused me of wanting what's called a social admission so social admission medicine. Is this horrible term that some doctors used to sort of win the patient count you know look after themselves and they need to come to hospital to sort of give the parents break and I guess I was kind of agrees that if if things are pretty desperate and somebody needs to come to the hospital and they need to come to the hospital and that can be for variety of different reasons and I my son's like really ill and he was really cruel to me and I started to cry and I'm not a crier much except during some movies on and if I had listened to him and left my son died because he we ended up staying and he was in the ICU for a week and he was really ill and if I'd got home he could've would've compensated and it just really struck me that this guy was so just horrible and cruel and here he was there with my sick baby who who had every reason in his chart to have what I said. You'd have to have not bothered to read anything in the chart to come to that conclusion and be cruel and have no empathy we always talk in medicine about like the Swiss Cheese Act and we talk about that and a lot of things so one person can make one mistake in another I can make another mistake but if we're all all kind of covering for each other and other ways than you don't fall through the cracks but if all those holes kind of a lineup then you fall through the cracks and it doesn't excuse the holes but I it's an interesting point that maybe he's some awful person who has no empathy but if he'd actually read the chart then he would've known that on this kids actually been super sick before and been in the ICU a bunch of times and was just in like three weeks ago so maybe I shouldn't kick him out because he got transferred by ambulance from one of my colleagues we thought he was sick enough to get admitted so it would have been like a complete complete systemic medical failure so we were in the hospital for over a week and then on actually wrote a letter to the department head and just said that that's just unacceptable and if that had been somebody else us they could have gone home and then said well. Maybe is not really that sick and their kid could a died of influenza. I know that's an experience that a lot of people have again every time I read you. In retirement retirements. I went through the book the fact that you are a medical doctor and have these issues. I can't even imagine what people who aren't who face the same exact issues that you yeah. I I think a lot about that. You know I had sepsis after my kids were born. It was very complicated affair and nobody believed I was ill. I was being treated for an infection with antibiotics and I was getting worse not better and people accused me of being hysterical because my kids were sick and in the intensive care unit and I'm like no I'm actually just having an appropriate response to being hypoc sick and so again if it could happen to me could happen to every person and think about what happens if you have your facing racism or economic insecurity or you don't speak the language. There's so many ways that it can be hard to advocate indicate for yourself for there's a domestic violence situation so you're afraid to bring something up. I mean there's so many ways and so I was really mindful of that. When I was writing the book the Vagina viable because I know as a doctor there are certain words that I can say that will make another doctor perk up and I wanted to give people those words to use if you have this say this if you have this going on you can challenge physician and I wanted to give people the confidence some of the confidence to speak up and I was sort of mindful wants someone wrote a woman wrote a comment on my blog sexually one of my favorite comments all it was a a blog post about why you can have an Iud if you've never been pregnant because there's still unfortunately a significant percentage Goba Joannes who don't know that it doesn't matter if you've been pregnant or not an Iud is fine and her Obgyn told us because she hadn't been pregnant and she'd printed off if my blog post and brought it in and slammed down on the table and said well Doctor Gunter says I can have you d that's great will you you started to answer. Sir My my next question because I wanted to get to your book. Why did you decide to write it again. I guess we've gone through a little bit of that but elaborate a little more and talk about your target audience audience because I found it interesting who who your audience's yeah so I you know I've been writing about myths and women's health online for a long time and I'm sort of known as you put what wear and who told you to do that. Dr And I I had this couple of days in a row where I just saw a patient. I run a run a clinic specifically really for vaginal and Volvo health conditions where I'd seen five or six women in a row who I told them things that to me seemed intuitive that everybody should know and obviously this is what I do for a living so what I think is intuitive is going to be different and all of these women on a never fault the patients for not being able to find the information. The fault is the system the Faltas where the information is and each one of them said. How did I not know that. How do they not know that how I heard that like six or seven times in a row and let me just started like thinking. How do you not know that how like we're are all the misinformation. How are we at this point in the year two thousand nineteen where we have the Internet of all things and you can't get that information and I was sitting in my office and I was looking around and I was looking at this textbook that I still use news called Blaustein textbook of the male pathology or genital pathology. I'm I'm scrapped the title sorry sorry boastings but John Hopkins I think that's first published and a great book on Pathology of the genital tract. I still go to it. I still open it and 'cause it's devoid of all the click bait and the the junk online and I was looking at my thought. Women need it textbook. They need a textbook. I'm GonNa write a textbook and then I realized it was too much to do both the upper and lower reproductive tract so I thought I'm GonNa write women a textbook right everybody a textbook on the vagina and Vulva so when they see junk they can stop Robin say wait. Wait wait wait. Let's see what has one of the things I noticed throughout the book was there isn't a lot of research on that. I think you'd go for five or six. May she may be more different places. Now you go all the way back which I loved to the ancient Greeks and pocket tees in explaining explaining that at the time since all doctors were men and it was deemed insensitive or inappropriate for a man to touch a woman outside of a marital relationship and I have to say one of the things that I found amazing was or even dissect female cadavers which I think is taking the Graham rule or whatever ration- right who an extreme explain how women's health has been manned splaine since gone of recorded history and how misinformation about women's reproductive health is rooted in this misogyny well. I think that if you deem women unimportant or they're just the same as men you know are you probably wouldn't see any reason you need to dissect their bodies and if they're unimportant you learning about them is also going to be unimportant. I wanted to go back that far because so many of the alternative credited medicine providers always referencing ancient treatments and I wanted to show that you know ancient stuff isn't so good everybody gets the hippocratic hypocrites overthrowing and everything else so they're not going to get this right exactly and just how leg women's bodies have been weaponized since the beginning of time and really every culture. I mean women are considered impure once. I start getting their period. You know that period period blood is toxic. Doubts used to exclude women from religious services from society. You know they're told her unclean they need to an you can pick whatever religion or culture or society and there's all different ways to clean yourself and and. I think that it's a pretty easy way to keep half the population oppressed if you can find something that's really obviously different about them and this idea that that menstrual blood that the uterus is toxic the fact that that myth still persists. I think is such an example of the strength six of the Patriarchy because if you take all medicine out of it if you say I'm just going to talk about this from a common sense standpoint. Where does an embryo implant in the lining of the uterus if that was toxic. How does an embryo survived there. If that's a toxic environment that needs to be cleaned if menstruation sign of of sort of uterine ill health or uterine toxicity housing. That's the blood that's opposed to feed an embryo that makes absolutely no common sense and yet that myth is so hard to undo and we even see it. Now we see instagram irs talking about dieting to lose weight so they don't get their period because your period is full of toxins. I mean that's so harmful and that's being presented as empowerment. How does the mainstream media framing of women's health issues. How does it affect public perception. There's two issues so you can have great content but but we all know that strange headlines or bizarre headlines get attention and so you see a lot of great wonderful reporters who've done a ton of amazing work have their piece undone by a horrible header horrible lead so there's that I think that the news is trying to get clicks trying to get attention and that's how they get paid and I get that but we have to all do better and you know demand change so we don't don't have sensationalized headlines but I also think that there is kind of a lack of good science journalism because there's so many financial constraints in news organizations that they can't all have people who have done fellowships in science journalism. If you take someone who's never covered science. Ask them to write about a study. You're GonNa get a totally different piece than if you get someone who's done the Mit Night School of journalism right so you're going to get two totally different pieces says so. I think that we want our journalists to have experts just like I don't want my son's heart surgery done by general pediatrician. I want the General Pediatrician the attrition to look after the things that general pediatrician expert end and I want his cardiac surgeon to look after the things a cardiac surgeon is an expert in and I think that we should actually demand that of our news as well because it's super important and we see this weaponization of of lies with abortion and contraception and it's very damaging aging. I mean you know with the hobby lobby case. We have a supreme court that said your belief that a medication causes an abortion is enough for you allow to deny yet and this is science. It's not belief. has this gotten worse in the electronic in the social media age or has it gotten better again. You talked from the ancient. Greeks and I love the part where you explain that some of these things were done a little bit better in the Victorian era but because of the Victorian era people didn't pay attention as the proliferation of myths lies and all this stuff gotten worse. I think yes simply by the fact that it hasn't gotten better because as we have the tools for it to be better right so everybody has a library in their pocket. Every single person with a cell phone has a library in their back pocket a library for every single thing and yet. We can't find the information so I would think if you were to take somebody from the nineteen forties. The only source of information is the radio and the print newspaper rate now. Maybe they're only going to get a narrow view and they're not gonNA be exposed to all of us but they don't have the possibility to look up in Hatemi textbooks they I don't have the positive like they just don't even have possibility and yet we have all this possibility and and we're sort of stalled in a lot of medical lies. I mean we still see see this claim about infanticide which is a complete lie. It's absolutely ally and yet because women's bodies are so politicized sized. It's become a talking point for the Republicans and we have this phenomenon called the illusory truth effect which I talk a bit about in the book and we all mistake mistake repetition for accuracy so in our twenty four seven news cycle if you have headlines repeating sort of these lies about infanticide over and over again even even if the actual piece takes on the part and explains why that's going on we don't I mean I sometimes only read the headlines. Don't tell anybody we all yeah so it's only if we know this illusory truth effect is they are the Internet the our facebook feeds our instagram feeds our twitter feeds throwing the same headlines out his over and over again seeing it on the chirons on Fox or CNN or wherever of course we're we're in the era of fake news and I really feel we've gone through the age of information or of stalled in the age of misinformation. What is the difference between the sceptical distrust of the the medical community industry establishment and those who propagate conspiracy theories. Just give us a little bit about that because I think it's an important distinction you make yeah ah I mean it's really fascinating to me how much overlap there is with sort of conspiracy theories in medicine and we know that interestingly enough people oh who believe in medical conspiracy theories like vaccines causing autism which they don't or you know floride messing with your brain or your broadcasting. Wi Fi all these days uh-huh goop right so we know that people who believe in conspiracy theories are more likely to buy supplements so if you're big natural natural or big wellness you kind of invested in conspiracy theories aren't you so the common link. I would say between politicians who are also promoting pseudoscience it is that pseudoscience can be used to advance political agendas so you can lie about contraception. You can lie about abortion. You can lie about bodies. You can also lie about products. addicks were sort of stowe conspiracy theories to also to move products with big natural and so it's a very fascinating to me it's kind of the overlap and how both wellness and the Patriarchy do use pseudoscience to advance agendas. Is there anything medical. Community is doing to fight back again. Doctors like yourself. Obviously you've written a book but is there anything institutionally that they are doing to try to fight. All of your critiques are so important because like like you said they repeat the lies over and over again and in education and training you happen to be a doctor who can communicate extraordinarily well as you know most. Dr Arnn don't do that. I think that there's always approach this. I think thank you very much thank you. My kids would say that I'm an over the what's the evidence front loading the dishwasher miles. The evidence is you will not have dinner if you don't allowed so I think that medical schools and residencies and training programs have to do a better job first of all at helping doctors communicate with patients and helping us see bias so we're not continuing it right so you have to look at why do people turn from traditional from from evidence based medicine to alternative medicine they turn because they're not being heard in many times so we have to figure out why people are not being heard. Maybe they've you've been harmed by traditional medicine again. Maybe harmed because of systemic racism their issues so we have to. We have to correct those issues but we also have to teach doctors better how to communicate. I think the public because the health of the public is also our concern. I think that many schools could do better jobs those things I think they could also do that our jobs in training training doctors how to do more advanced communication with the media so what happens a lot of doctors like A. I was interviewed for peace and they want to talk to a couple of my friends so they they could not going through training. Were both physicians and they were both panicked after they got off the call with a reporter well what she misquoting me. What if I said the wrong thing. They were just passed that they didn't have any any media training at no idea how to communicate and so sometimes I'll read these bizarre quotes in articles and I'll think oh I know it happened. That doctors didn't know what they were doing. They got panicked and just like I don't know how to do heart surgery like I think that we need to start looking at media communications and can see communicating with the public as either a track or an additional kind of training component that we can do just like journalists king go and do extra training and extra fellowship in Science Journalism so I think that that we should be encouraging that and and I don't know why it hasn't happened because universities have schools of journalism and they had medical schools. Give me a call. Somebody else set it up for you. Where where do you see on a positive note. Where do you see the most movement to combat the medical misinformation about women's health book. Thank you well. I see a lot out of just wonderful grassroots movements and I see a lot of really empowered younger women. I see a lot of younger women speaking up and that's so wonderful to hear from women that they'll say I read your words and I decided I was going to go out and do something about it or just hearing what what young women are doing and speaking up and also a lot of young men to. 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The ethics of everything: Simon Longstaff

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The ethics of everything: Simon Longstaff

"This is an ABC podcast everyone or nearly everyone needs to think of themselves as a good person, or at least as morally defensible person just to get through life. But sooner or later your confronted with the dilemma that makes doing the right thing, incredibly difficult. What do you do for example, when you're in a marriage, and the other person goes through profound change, the changed politics religion? Or even the Genda. I you then obliged to stick with that person. And what if you're the one doing the changing what responsibility. Do you have to the commitments made by your old self? This is a classic ethical dilemma that some people might have to confront in their lives. Commodore is the one where you've got a piece of information. That's crying out to be disclosed. Do you tell the truth? No matter how much it hurt someone might be precious to you. And when you are confronted by these dilemmas is a better to reason your way through its little to follow your intuition to go with what just feels right at the time. Sleiman Longstaff is hit. I Simon is the executive director of the ethics Sinton, which is a nonprofit organization that seeks to bring ethics to the center of personal and professional life in stride yet. And they've been doing it for nearly thirty years and Simon's story began with one of the most searing ethical dilemmas imaginable. Hello, Simon where were you in the lineup of kids in your fellow was the firstborn born, and how many came after you? They were three others from my mother, and then have another sister in my father remarried. So what happened when it got to the fourth child in your family? Well, my mother had been perfectly fine with me during the pregnancy that led to mob, and then should ban on well with my brothers and sister. And then by the time the fourth pregnancy started she went along to the. Obstetrician, and she was told that if she continued with the pregnancy, then she would die and the child that would be born with most likely all side, I and she therefore had a terrible dilemma supposes to whether or not she should continue with the pregnancy and effectively leave the husband she loved and two three three children or have termination, and she was very devout Catholic and cypher her. She had to make that decision. So she I know about Miami from a lettuce. She right. Just after she'd come back from the doctor she rotting to a sister. I hadn't seen this until I was in my thirties. And she's writing about the choice. She Scott and at the end of it. She refers to may standing the penalty. I've been coloring in doing something that five-year-old would. And so with something that imprinted upon myself, but he's lighter when I found later in an organization where she could have come because of letters. There's no way to guy now into talk to headed. She why the the the dilemma in her litter. Well, I it's between an obligation to the living people. She loves her husband and children and an obligation to an unborn child. And in her world view of the day. She believed that the child needed to be baptized into that too had to be born. Otherwise, the consequences for the child would affect return ity in principle. And so she was trying to weigh up that that balance between two goods, not my good one bad. But between the good of a love for the living and the Judy. She felt she had to the unbolting. What was your father's view? He. He wasn't Catholic. He was an Anglican and he respected her and the conscience. I think that's where he ultimately lie that she must be able to determine the matter in a way that was inconsistent with her conscience in he would support her and he would do. So irrespective of what the costs were a human for others. That's the position he took. And the result was not clot as the doctor had predicted Cy. My brother Angus was born he was very unwell for a long time, but ultimately survived but year and today after his birth as predicted mum Dodd. What do you remember that period at year and a half? Well, very little of her illness was. Presence in the high then progressively, reducing as you'll notice took a great tall. Towards the end of her life. We did say remember we had a car I think which had a rift that these two I've been on the standing up in that at one point going towards building in the cop of a hospital while dad witne visa to I'm told that she went completely what that is gain was almost translucent and hair had lost Ocala Cy dead described her as looking lock and I enjoy although I never actually saw it. So I've got these kind of mentally major that exactly what the truth of her condition was or what caused it for that matter. But the most poignant memory is the time that when she taught the morning, she doddle the morning after his dad bane to say in hospital, and we were living in a house in pal straighten Calera and Sydney at the time. And I still remember him coming back in the cop hawking and may rushing out to the front of the house to ask him. How my Moore's? And he's first response was decide that she was asleep, which is obviously not true. But I understand why said that but then within minutes. Manage together himself together, and we'd come inside and our embassy ding on the end of the bed they obeyed in the bedroom on his name when he told me that she was dead. And I I can remember precisely how I felt which was kind of disbelief in some sense that she was completely gone because you meant in a sense we've got used to bang around by her being line hospital. But it was just an it's like the world literally changed a male fill like a different person. And then the optimal of that. For me. He talked to me about needing to be strong for the others. I my brother and sister who were Heim, and then subsequently, of course, the Bibey who he came back. And so that then was something that I took on. And it was interesting. He died about a year and a half ago. And he's funeral. My uncle had relied how hey and my father. My father was the oldest of his group had been born in Britain where my grandfather had married an Englishwoman and died Bain evacuated from Britain because of the blitz and my grandfather would remind behind and my father had been charged with the responsibility of taking care of the children with his mother is they might that long journey from Britain by say to Astrid him. And I suddenly realized it was a really kind of almost I've wing emotional moment to me that Botha this Busek stances beyond control as little boys had had this GT placed upon us in his case to shape his brothers from Britain to start in mind to act as a kind of. Shepherd whatever to help look after Monde because the death of mum and just what a was to be that as a child and what formation must have had for both of us. Not always for the best think as part of it. So it was very overwhelming moment at the funeral when I finally was stood up to speak about dead and realized that we'd had this incredible symmetry in laws. It sounds stood. Like he got look out to the the younger ones now. Yeah. But is there a kindness in that fire is he's asking you to? Dedicate yourself to other people in and rededicate yourself to each other. Yeah. It's. It's it's an entirely reasonable thing today. There's no one else you can speak to you know, in the immediacy of the family. He was a line and still had a job. He had to do at Cape. The, you know, the family together, the the finances and all the rest and deal with these on grave and have these these children. I mean, it was just a terrible predicament, and it was entirely reasonable giving his on experiences will that he should make that request. And it's not a bad thing. I mean, it's it's it's a good thing. There's nothing in my past which I regret and always that hadn't happened because that's too we show. I propulsion of who you are. And you can't pick and choose a life as bits that. She say, oh, well fantastic. Oh, have those and I'll get some and still be the scientist saw we're not consumers of run. All right. I completely embraced the whole lot. He must've been terribly lonely. Yeah. He there were not when I mean he'd come in and just cut up to the kids just for little bit of human contact. It was a it was a terrible Bligh for him. But of intially, he found another woman in failing love with her and as happens loft guys on you know. But it was a doc period for while for him. At least could he bring himself to speak of of his his former wife it was. Something strange happened not know, whether this was a product of advice at the time where things I think a lot of things often put away from memory and experience. Just to give you an indication of this at his sixtieth birthday. We'd all come back all of the children together. So they were the five of us and the Bena potty in dead gone off to bed. And so I was just the five children. So we seating the talking about the celebration and things and my youngest sister Emma of something to shy, and she she took off in she came back and she had in her hands a final album, which was the federal album of the marriage of my father, and my mother, Margaret. So we will passing it round. And looking at an a suspect on maybe sane it sometime in the past. But anyway, the the figures they were recognizably Robert Niagara. But my youngest brother Angus, the one who had been born at the end of it that prices set there and started weeping, and we sorta wrong what why it's the first time I've ever seen my mother so dot net. How old are you? Was he must have been in his twenties. But. I'd put away all images of my mother all references to really throughout his life and sire. It was incredibly poignant moment when he finally sees the picture of the woman who'd made that choice completely out of love Fahim and yet he'd never signed. It's often said oh people often side that when they lose apparent at a young age. It feels like the ground the Nathan gives why they've lost the sense of ground underneath their fate. And yet on the other hand when you talk about studying ethics. You talked about getting ethical grounding is it is it to try to say this. But you think in some ways you'll pursuit of ethics and your interest in ethics a way to kind of rebuild the ground on fade, but on the trot wonder about, and that's mentioned when I was reading that later, which was all these terrible dilemma is being described seven-foot microsof-, creating this organization where a woman lot. My mother could come now for help ahead decide they must have been something about it. Whether it was the experience of here in the moment, whether she who knows if she even said, something, oh, so where could I go or whether it was just some kind of sense exchange between whether it was just me becoming interested in philosophy because you ask. Inevitably as to why do these things happen to some people not to others, whatever it was. I'm sure it had a a very profound effect and has been part of the process by which I've been interested in philosophy in general, but in ethics in particular. This is one of the things that kind of gets to me when I sent him see people who he might imagined that if x or ethical discussions about they luxuries that extra show extra. It's it's it's a thing you can do when you can eat and when life is easy. It's a thing for that. When infected seems to me like the very reverse is true. This wonderful book with talks about the rabbi of this town, co Countess in Lithuania during the the holocaust who was having to answer extraordinary questions from people in the Jewish ghetto who are facing extermination about how to live is it ever acceptable for. A Jewish person to accept Christian baptism to get out of death is what should be done with the merge twos. Clothes according to tradition. These kind of inquiry put questions can can I adopt a child and bring the child up as my own son. All the all these very very powerful questions that occur in extremists. I think that ethics become more important when you're reduced to these kind of terrible terrible situations. Do you think of that? I think it's true. I mean, I've met so many people who've been through. Ma maybe not quite as terrible as that. But I've talked to people in Vietnam. For example, he used to go to school in an underground school rim up to their ankles in water. I mean, fifty two bombers bombing about them and. For the important questions went just about where it was the food coming from. But the head questions about Lebed he and who they were and what they stood for. And you know that the repeatable who. Living in the most terrible conditions. He'll have a set of values and principles which thou cling to and they'll ask questions about lawf-, not not everybody some people. I think found themselves reduced that the comet the literature of the world when people have been imprisoned or oppressed. They minds turn very readily to these deeper questions about the purpose of a life. Meaning who they are what they stand for. And particularly the white of the choices though, Mike in a moment. And that's all ethics is about it's about what basis? Do we bring to bear for the choices we make? And then the things that fly from those in the world around us is a product of human choice. Mediated any by the laws of physics everything else that we say around us could be different inside. Everytime. We might choice whether we're in a supermarket deciding whether or not to buy particularly free Ryan Jags RAV of the shape it from kites birds or. Whether or not to take something which is into because we need it in the person doesn't need it as much or what we going to do in the face of terrible persecution. And we're going to become like them or a we retain something of cells, which we refuse to surrender thighs are those profound moments in ethics, and, but they range from the very very diet through to these Davis ones, but they're all part of a continuum. And that's why that ethical dimension of humanity is I think as an Socrates you'd the pot that defines us as being human. We we have this extraordinary ability to look beyond the demands of instinct or desire or habitant convention might conscious choices, and that's the ethical pot of you spend your some holidays as a kid in outback Queensland to me about the kind of things you looked at Weston wasteland. Well, this was really a gift from my stepmother and her family. That admired woman family, the Lee family had properties by that. Tom ranging from John Derian on the darling downs. Just on the key river three Seret grat three to Plasco Tambo, and I sort of experience was everything from cutting booze and picking up sticks and learning how to build a fence and digging posed halls by hand with a shovel and a cry by plowing fixing win movement all sorts of things mustering sweeping the board in this beautiful all twenty eight stand shearing ship, then he seven by then. But these Owen built just incredible experiences some of them, which were very tough. But in my case generally will form an PayPal up my first involvement with indigenous people being taught to ride a horse by this. I got clothing Baga who who use a tough teacher. He sort of made you loosen the girth in the so seen Galon. Yes. Adeline and Linda rod without it being probably attached the horse or taking off once in lengthening it as a way of. Had you could go hunting pigs. Sterile. So another guy I'm being being caught in a flooded creek. When this guy who was a diabetic and having to swim across a flooded river in on horseback in through the Santa woods, stands of trees and things and just is incredible hands on experience for a young blog, driving, trucks and tractors and all sorts of things in that epic land Skype. So that's really quite unforgettable listed ease. It is an and applies where you can see the bitterness of the storm cloud that passes by a few kilometers away. And you know that someone else is getting a good psyching and your not. And having to kill European food to two eight knowing about that and the reality and and saying that in non industrial y there is a relationship that exists. Remarkable formative experiences which on forever grateful. This really was my mind after school started to go to group island in the Gulf of Carpentaria that that extrordinary on a never been there. Why they why did you go to greet island? So I'm my family had given me a very good educational been at boarding school. That was partly one of the kind of outworkings if you like of man's death, and some of the stresses and strains that you get in families and saw it ended up in boarding school. And I finished good when I was sixteen years of age and. Had this idea that most people in my generation, I just travel on and got university until father said to me said, well, what are you thinking to do? Now, you know you finished goes on university. So how do you think you're gonna be paying for any of this? You know, we gotta leave what he entered too. What do you mean? You said, well, I'll tell you. We've given you everything wherever going to give you you've had your education and from that point on now, you're on your own. It's up to you. Well, I'd I'd I how I think I must have had sixteen dollars to my mom in the stuff. I did up in the country. He might have given you a year's notice on that. There wasn't any notice. So the only thing that you could really do where you could earn decent money. And and believe that I could think of and these credit he sort of helped me think about it was to go into the mining industry. So I'm beginning along to the Commonwealth government buildings chiefly square. My head to get my prospectors and minus certificate, but I still do it. But I've actually had possessed one of those and was able to get a job as what was called a service attendant up on grew Holland on a manganese mine, they're run by HP subsidiary as in was called Jim came. And so a couple of days after my seventeenth birthday. I turned up, and that's what I started doing service attendants just a glorified nine for cleaner. So I used to have. Toilets. I moved furniture. I remember having to approach rubbish bins which had two collections of prawns and milkshakes in the tropics if anybody's ever experienced that in the middle of the wet season, they'd what a wonderful challenge. Eddie's and. The smell of that. But it. But but very soon after I have this. We have amazing experience the fellow who was my immediate supervisor. It's quite a hierarchical. In fact, it was futile as I y is employee. I had to wear safety boots and long trousers and my bulletin long socks. But there was a kind of this has become significant in the moment. And my supervisor this car told ather a Belle sent me went down one die and wanted to know about me. Really getting stuck into the like lab original PayPal and sighing some absolutely terrible things about them which Buna resemblance to Mayeli expansion. This guy told me to rod horses and. Anyway, that not went down to what was called the canton. Wet miss which is basically a by. And it was at that time a tiny little shade with bit of metal roofing laws, and there was a pool title. And of course, I should never been down. There was a seventeen year old. I wasn't old enough to drink while I'm drinking up because now one off to be licensed because it's presumed that you're right. I need Aldridge. If you're on the which was the rule as it turned out. And so I'm getting drunk and drunk, and then this guy who'd been telling me how terrible the aboriginal paper where which introducing to all of these nights, and they're all aboriginal. So I'm completely confused by this time until about ten o'clock at not the real author Bill walks in the door of this guy. And I realize I've been talking to a completely different person kodjak O'Hare who aren't confused Roth rebel and actually turned out to be one of the founders of the John's, ambulance territory and was a. Right friend of the indigenous peoples so that's how I was by alcohol mistake, probably the story of my life. These lucky a strange moments. I was introduced to the indigenous people who are mmediately took me under their wing and started a relationship which positions to this time. He can front issues of life and death. And that that up literally, I I mean, the worker look I've been style clean if along I studied a lot of delays things around the emergency care of seekin injured and. Basically, I did the qualifications to become emergency services person. So I was qualified to drive an ambulance operate a fire truck, and I did all sorts of things lot that you know, putting FIS and taking people who'd head injuries and things of that time. But in the course of that, unfortunately, there was a particular fatality that I encountered directly where a man had been coming home from work on the motorcycle and had wrapped himself around a pound trae. And if you looked at him, you would've thought that there was nothing wrong with him, but up in the medical center, the nursing staff and myself in a couple of others were working on this man to try and keep him alive at a time. When we didn't have a doctor because this is a very remote part of a stroller. And they went away doctors on the island inside. There was a right way. Telephone that was connected three to Neelam boy to the hospital. They we were trying to get direction that as I was giving CPI to this, man. He died onto my hands actually touching him as easy as the life able to weigh. That was that was see -nificant because striking. It's a very strong thing when a person's dead after being alive, the comp- to me, at least in experience that were one thing when there was something else the next you could feel like could feel and I think it was just my magic nation is palpable difference between a live person in the did person. And then. Before we took him away from the treatment run. He's young son who would have been a few years younger than me came in web dive of the body of his dead father, and then peck that body up into a body bag and literally put him on my shoulder and put him into a cool room. I've not before taking the body at to the the next to be taken off for an autopsy, it was he'd ruptured spleen. There was nothing we could have done deciding. But it's it was just one of those fomative experiences, which changes who you are. This is conversations with Richard five ABC right here. Scribe to conversations podcast to find out. More just to see dot net slash conversations. So jumping ahead of it here from your time in crude islands. You went to Cambridge got a scholarship to Cambridge and you philosophy there. An ethics part of that. That's that's really interesting jump for someone you had to ride a horse fix a fence fix a generator on guessing as well. And and dual that's kind of things why explain ethics and philosophy. Well. There's obviously symposium between. Great. And and the dot. Progressively developed. A really interesting in ideas, think triggered by early events. Look, even good all the most amazing conversations. People think that reached conversations philosophical questions guy to happen in Saudis, AVI, covered targeted buildings nine. It's never been the best conversation with fetus turns and truck drivers. And things I I'd always been encouraged to have that an I discovered Socrates who to my mind is great here. Not only one of the great founding figures of philosophies expired to a spy ply tie. But more importantly, someone who did philosophy in the public sphere. And so that it attracted man got to kind bridge, it sort of supercharged if you lot my interesting that and it's a really compelling plice for for challenging thinking supervisor. And this was a bad listen to so I had to learn it. But when I turned up, he said, all these. Emme one rule. He wants that. And he said all you go for the jugular. Really? Yeah. Yeah. What does that mean what someone's jugular or to give him the best interpretation? He meant the intellectual jugular in another person's argument. But basically, it was a form of intellectual engagement which was about taking prisoners. It was a bad when winning winning and I turn out to be really good at doing that. And so I did well I progressed very quickly ended up regionally have come from Astor's inside onto a doctorate which I did in very quick time. But I also realized that by the time I'd fully internalized that listen become a bully in intellectually and in doing so defectively betrayed what I think philosophy is supposed to be about. I mean, you can read Plato's dialogue. And you can see them as Socrates trying to prove the point and win. The I'd imminent expires the DNC lack of understanding advise with him. Speaking completely that at all. I think he genuinely didn't know the answer to a lot of the questions that he was saying to answer any genuinely was trying to draw out for the people what they thought and in doing seinfield exposed that there is an inconsistency in their views. Then they were by learning. It wasn't. It wasn't this smarty pants philosopher or has being right. I mean, isn't the point of how clever I am. But it's how what do we make this? Will we live in with such tiny minds with limited and limited information. Yeah. It is requires a certain kind of humility which is not what I was in carriage to shy at the beginning. But thank heavens, I managed at some point to recognize that that is what I'd become. It's someone tell it to you know, I had a moment. I was actually with my mother Amore in a car. And I think we somewhere in Britain. And by been saying something quite innocuous about being a nice day. And I said. What what is what is nice exactly something completely? And I thought oh, what earth am I doing? So that knows at that point. I'm not sure I even aware of the affected head on me. But that point none, not deci aways. Perfect teen is I must admit, I'm probably still. Can get the bit between my teeth. It's listen, I learnt try to hold myself accountable too. When he came back to a straight you eventually sit at the ethics time. And now this according to your website began with a discussion in in the middle of Sydney CBD public discussion headed that work. Well, the of the Santa started. It's pretty curse we're back in the nineties with Ellen bonding Christopher skies in a group of people by within business within the Anglican church sin, James Anglican church in king street sign. What are we going to do about this? And there was a vital in a major ankle Meredith Ron who was company secretary IMP where Vincent v x had been asking these questions and on the parish councillors and giant. So that's what brought into existence. So they knew that they needed to do something. What I started to do soon after I got back with actually literally go into Martin place with ten plastic chairs in a circle and couple of Kabul signs on the footpath. That said if you want to talk to a philosopher taika Sade, and I'd just sit there and people would come up every time I did it, and what does it down and talk about everything from what it was like being cyclist on a ride full of angry drivers three two. Somebody's mother climb from England who feel guilty about not believing in God for forty years and really really diverse issues, and in a sense that poppy shape, not just as conversations, but a responsive nitro the Santa which is never meant to charity, and it's never had any endowments capital has a need ethics punitive yearo Cy and the only way it's kept going because it's very responsive to the actual needs that people have. So it's it's become unique. There's nothing like it in the world because it's got this diversity at deals with everything from life and death issues in hospitals, and in war through to sport and business, but always being attentive to the needs of people rather than thinking it said itself up, it's it's not a moral policemen. It's just a place to help people make better decisions one of the big ethical issues that comes up all the time on this program is the question of family secrets Manley secrets come up all the time. Tens at dead wasn't what he said. He was dead kept it a secret all these years. That's a big theme on the show who is dead that didn't tell me this this this and this, and I think now I understand what he did. Or I don't understand what he did. That's that's a thing that often comes up. Sometimes it's must've Dan actually is. It's this Coleman in Ulan of work common. In a lot of work. It's common in my life to I've had something similar happen. Where you discover something which I think is probably always intended to be discovered which suddenly make sense of the world. But it contains within Said's of potential disturbance in. You've got to reconcile yourself. It's not so much whether or not the person is the person that you think they were sometimes you'll find in families that there are very deep secrets revealed where the person is completely unlocked, but people thought, but there are other times when it's less serious in that. When simply an explanation. Ocean for events that you know. Like, the missing piece, jigsaw puzzle. And then you go to say, well what you do with it. Yeah. Do you light into the table and have the suddenly the puzzle become clear? But now that there's going to be also to disruptions as a result of that. Or do you hold onto the pace in let it remain incomplete in some of the tensions that about knowing that they will be a time when it's right to lie down. So with that dilemma, do you tend to go one way or another? I wish I could say I had this sense of absolute clear raisin this horses for courses. Familiar suppose, the REM Taishan is towards letting the truth speak at the appropriate time in it's not about choosing truth over another thing. It's more to do with. What's the time? When it will be most useful for that to be done. And I can't say that is an algorithm I can express that will say when that Thomas come. But I think I'll have a fair Saint solve it. That that will be the time. Do you need reason to figure these things out is reason always going to be better than gut instinct? Got it's a combination side. There's a lot of instinct that is just plain wrong side, if you've ever been in a car when you started on the skid that the instinctive response in my most offices to throw the food on the break, which is exactly the wrong thing to do in the skit what you have to do instead is somewhat counter intuitively, gently accelerate out of the skid. Now, intuition can be like that in many other areas of life where your intuition is fry foot on the equivalent of the ethical break when it's precisely the wrong thing to do. So what you can do is you can practice being on the equivalent of an ethical skid ped- where you start to take yourself through scenarios and think more and more about why you doing what you're doing and progressively can train yourself. So that your intuition is in accordance with what raising than principle of things would require. And that's that's the traditional why the people of looked to have a will formed human being. Is that they're not just roar instinct, which can make those kind of fundamental mistakes, which lay g to slide into the sod of or something, but you progressively become better at doing this. So I say the combination of the two I think raisin emotion. The will. They've all got to be held in chick together, but raisin. Ultimately, I think provides the shore path to avoid the conned of damage that would otherwise occur to get through this process. You need a moral imagination. Don't you? That's the thing. Not everyone has that must've infuriating people I've ever dealt with the people who've bought some kind of off the shelf ethical system with an ISM at the end of it. That's just how people have messed the time, isn't it? I just would rather buy that thing off the shelf live within that framework and not really want that interrogated too hard because it just hurts too much. I think you're putting clearly one of the differences between the difference between morality, and what is that? Well morale. Eighty is an answer to the rats in Christian ethics all want to do. And there are a range of different frameworks with image. That can be answered. So you could hear for example, a Christian voice saying, well, we know the answer to that. We've got this little box in his values and principles and revealed truths and exemplary laws and take the box and apply that and you'll get the right answer. But then there's another voice over this. I oh, no, no, no not that one look at as as much better, which might be Jewish wine renews, Lameck one or behi- one rural one Marxist one or utilitarian. Once you go to these boxes with their proponents, h climbing tight the box apply. What's in it? And you'll get the right answer. And for some people that's enough that will take it. And without too much thought they will apply. It almost bitterly that'll be habitually truthful, or herb habitually, kind will habitually something else. According to the tenants of this morality, which is the box. It's a morality what ethics. Causes something more than that. Requires you, not merely to apply the framework, but to do so in a form that is part of an examined life way you reflect on the circumstances in which you find yourself the liquor ability of the venues and principles where you challenge them. And rather than just do it as a matter of habit. You might these things which are truly your own. So the life you leave easy that life, which you have chosen rather than just inherited the people hate it. When you ask them to do that. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's. Look at the hill of wanna easier if you just live life as a matter of habit. The trouble is that nearly all of the things that have gone wrong in the world. When you ask people. Why did you do it? The most common responses. Everybody was doing it. That's just the way things were done back, then and people don't see the nature of their things because that look, and that's because they leave immoral within a moral framework without this ethical overlay into get to your original part of this question. One of the essential things that ethics required in is to have a moral. Imagine not just moral courage the moral imagination. What is it like to be in the shoes of somebody else to imagine yourself into a world, but you might not currently leave in to imagine yourself into circumstances where others might be experiencing things which are not your own. But you have some sense of it. Some regard even some interesting it isn't that off the shelf. Christianity what you're talking about right there that just sounds exactly what what that's one of the indications of Christ teaching right there, isn't that instinct within you there. There are there are there are many elements that you will find in religions like Christianity and others. I've got cool components that keep on coming through time. And Tom and gain you'll find it in the philosophers in socked some of Socrates implied as you'll find Cleveland, even people like Hume, the these themes seem to be constant whether it's in east or west you find these things come commonly arising because the bicyc- structure of choice around values and principles, and how we choose the very notions of things being good and rot. They by universal in terms of Tom and plies every place every time has despise extractor, its content changes, and you can bring yourself to understand how that applies. But yeah, I think they're trades in this about the examined life, which which we have you. You can come to without having to buy a particular metaphysical illogical worldview, but will become into many your organization is often asked to look into. Conduct of institutions modules acions that are often perceived to being crisis at the moment in the western wilder democracies. Their large corporations banks. Parliament's churches all of all of this. They're often perceived to be in crisis. Do these organizations organizations tend to suffer from the same problems? Even though they're they're part of very different parts of public life in the striking news. They do. And I think we're. I think we're really really serious point in history. My view is that within the next ten or twenty years, they'll be evil as Asian will change wrought by technological innovation with routes through biology where most fundamental questions about what it means to be human will be posed by ability to engineer, the Jane, I'm as we wish robotics I-, expensive items that will have profound dislike ocean in terms of how people derive meeting at the moment. It's very much attached to their employment has no as Bain, and my notarize, but that will happen. You'll see lots numbers of people in the middle classes displaced in weather. They haven't been for centuries stamp rise that to say all this is terrible. What I do is decide this change of a profound kind and normally as a society, we would kype with that by having a set of institutions that operators shock-absorbers that help us might the transition. That inspire trust that. There are people who will have a regard for the welfare of society and not just a subset. And what I think of that as as if you like ethical infrastructure, which is just as important as social politic, physical, infrastructure and technical infrastructure, this kind of ethical infrastructure, which has all these institutions in lot professions. And it's broken at the moment when it's most needed. It's all broken. And why is it Bracken because I think the every institution has betrayed its iron underlying purposes because they've forgotten them some institutions very long standing ones were brought into distance by these very profound insights in the human condition, which served as the foundation Stein's on which they were built built a the cost of great pain gripe pine, but also the trouble bet foundation Stein's is that no one ever looks at them people become magic a. Soaring building we tend to grow up. They become magnificently have flying buttresses and stained glass, windows, and magnificent. We will look at that stuff. Meanwhile, the foundations can be left to wither away during what our coal along each of forgetting in which either century, sometimes millennia the purpose of institutions has been forgotten. And so I sleep good people have betrayed them. And they've all fallen around the same time. So I think we have a profound challenge and not not a this isn't a bad thing. I really exciting to do is to say how do we ask? What are the institutions we need we might rediscover purposes that our ancestors did? But the difference will be that they'll be true for us and on that basis, we can create them. So that they service oil for the kind of China that we made to make the most of because all of those technologies all of those new geopolitical realities could be a source of absolute wonder. For the human condition, you know, removing drudgery and pain, and so many things, but that's a choice we have to make and sorry, we will I do. So if we build the ethics back into the design of air institutions, and at technologies and everything we build building recreate it fresh give it a new kind of life. And I think that's something we need to invest in society because the cost of not doing it, a colossal would just say that in the last year, just even if you just look at forget about social goes to take NAMI cost what we've lost as society in the last year with the banks alone magin if you could have prevented that because the filed it's clear from Kenna fine. All the laws were implies all the cost is result of ethical where could not an absence of regulation or law, and we should be on manage that. Bitta one of the things that's quite troubling is the the current Tennessee just kinda shrug at the Makkari kind of shrugging them out. Well, it's better than anything else. That's going on at the moment. People who've lived through that anything else tend to view the situation. Very differently Britain's going through. It's terrible crisis of the moment. And a recent poll was published stated where people were asked with Britain Britain needs a strong ruler willing to break the rules. Fifty four percent of people polled a great with that. That's the kind of education rule of law there. Fifty four percent of people in Britain foot that they needed a strongman willing to break the rules. I mean, it's worse there than it is here. That's for sure. But the could you see us getting to that points on potentially most regrettably, I think people who dismissed Marcos is just another system as you suggest have no idea of the effects of the alternatives, and what an extraordinary achievement democracy is. And how much has been suffered for the sake of spending established nine times. But we also have to be honest with ourselves. About the mood of the public. People always to kick around with a lot in Queensland in the territory and Dannon teddy. A lot of people in stride. And I suspect in Britain in America. Honestly believed that the promises that were made to them as citizens within a democracy have been broken. It was supposed to be about them. The market was supposed to increase the stock of common. Gouden Mike is all better of there's all these promises that were made sometimes as far back as the seventeenth century which have been forgotten as saying before. And so people are looking this. I won't who who's carrying about us. If you know marginal alcohol, they said the other day on the IB say there's interviewing some as in other people in regionalist drier. And I said look listens. Pretty clear. Just Mike yourself into a marginal electric Siani way. You get sane. That's true. You can be invisible in this country. If you live in a marginal electorate. The political class just done see. And if you're invisible you feel abandoned and frightened particularly in the face of the Chinese that are coming people think the Estrada in public, Don, get it. I do by rot onto the nature of the world in which they leave, and they never trated adequately. With the respect. I think they deserve because they feel what's coming, and they want to know that there's someone there who they can trust to have regard to the interest in Mike show, the transitions to come about Justin to Woodley. So we shouldn't throw away democracy. We shouldn't diminish it. It's an extraordinary system. But those people who exercise some kind of control Everett need to have a really serious think not just about had a win the next election on what to do about their party. But what is their GT to the system as a whole? So that people can invest trust. In regard in it. This attention at the moment between the longstanding concepts of freedom of speech as opposed to cruise crude racist. Vilification? Former Senator George Brandis stood up in the Senate and said the right freedom of speech includes the right to be a bit. He right. I don't know what he meant for my mind. I have strong presumption in favor of free speech, but not at any cost. I mean, anybody who's read any kind of history will know that the world's worst worst things that humans have ever done to each other with slavery or genocide have been at the Stott about a denial of the essential humanity of another person by saying because of their religion, they kala whatever it is. They not fully human. So I would never allow free speech to extend to a point where it denies the essential humanity of another person, and I would never allow it to an incitement to violence against another person because those things fundamentally violet amost commonly. Understood and essential components for an ethical love. But within that somebody wants to say something until me that I'm fat stupid this or that I might find deeply offensive might not like, it might not agree a very harmonious moment. But I gotta leave. With that. Because I think I'd rather not that. That's what I really think can be able to deal with it rather than have those channels in the subterranean, y but I hype is that in conditions of liberty people will then act with a famous or responsibility and not use it simply to harm others. I think you'll rather lovely Simon. I should say that. But the terrible things about yourself on this program. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna have you vilified Simon Longstaff on this program. Like that. I'm not gonna have that. There's an old saying philosophies thing, and I can't remember the philosopher who said that freedom of speech isn't the license to say, whatever you like, it's the liberty to do as you ought to high minded or is that about right? I think that's the audio our seeking to appeal to we should understand that their freedom is something that we climb for us ills as a right, but we that comes commensurate responsibility. And we ought not to just do something because we can't infect the effect that we can do something doesn't mean that we should does it reflect a culture change in straight. By now. More and more straightens come various backgrounds in cultures which prize group rights over individual rights. You see that as an ongoing tension in a strategy. I think potentially could bay, but the point is that in any philosophy that I think worth its name in this area. It recognizes the intrinsic dignity of the person doesn't an either validity of their place in the community or some other formation. But essentially as persons we should begin with that. And if we can build from that point and understand that intrinsic dignity doesn't mean we have to be respectful in the way of being polite, but the fundamental dignity should not be violated. That's a bid Rasheed. Never lose. Got about another nineteen ethical propositions to put to you. I'd love you to come back on the program before too long. So we can go through many more of these more and more of them keep coming up. In the meantime, it's been such a pleasure. Having you on the progress on thank you so much. Thank you. Podcast and broadcast. This is conversations with Richard fighter. On ABC radio. But long staff heads up the ethics center incident. Today's conversation with Simon we'll be available for you, very soon as a podcast, you can get it wherever you get your podcasts from and on our website as well, ABC dot net dot us slash conversations on Vidler, thanks for this thing. You've been listening to a podcast of conversations with Richard Fidler. For more conversations interviews, please go to the website, ABC dot net dot AU slash conversations. Discover more great ABC podcasts. Live radio and exclusives. On the ABC. Listen up.

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EP294: Inside the Challenge--Your Questions Answered

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EP294: Inside the Challenge--Your Questions Answered

"And. Allow Hello, friends and neighbors, boys and girls lend merrier. Welcome welcome episode to ninety four the brain candy podcast. We decided we would relent to your cries. For more information about the challenge. Oh, you know, what this is appropriate because just yesterday I received a phone call from the beauty Murray people and they left voicemail. I was in my clinic work. No, I have not checked voicemail. Are you kidding? I haven't checked it. Well, I'm not ready open up that box. Like, I I have to I'm in the middle of my day. I got to be focused on clients right now. I cannot start with reality television. I know they're casting the next challenge right now. So well, I'm sure that's what it is barking at Matry. What are you gonna say? Thanks, but no, thanks. We'll see. What are they asking about? He has this is this. What do they call it business class challenge? Right. Tyler when he said there's the business class which is champs versus stars. Whatever it is. And then there's the coach. Tawny irregular. It's like worse than that. It's the ones where your life saver ticket. Yes. Where they have even less space in there. Like, you have to we charge for water, and you cannot bring any carry on's. Yeah. Get in the fetal position to get in the back. Yes, standing-room-only. Wow. When I went to New York we had a challenge media event. And people were really wanting to know how you're doing. They wanted to know. Of course, if you'd ever go back, and and also they just wanted to say Hello to you. And oh, we'll 'cause I I heard it was a really great event. Well, it was and no thanks to Kenny on that do not show up. He did not say so well, so does this not kind of I gotta be honest. So when I I came up with the idea to have the vent because I knew that I would be New York thought, it'd be fun. And I thought it was so great to have Kenny because he's lives in New York. But he's been off the grid. And really hasn't done anything in. Long time. But I thought he'd feel comfortable because I would be there with him. Yeah. So I asked him to do it months and months and months ago, he said he thought he he kind of was trepidation about it. But then he was like for you. I'll do it. So is this sense of like, I don't wanna do it. But since you've been there for me all this time, and whatever out do it for you. So he had some questions along the way and was like waffling a bit. But I kept telling Scott don't worry like Kenny is loyal. That's his thing. And he's told me, yes. And he's a man of his word, and he'll he'll be there. And Scott was like, I don't know. I'm getting worried. I'm like, it's fine. It's fine. It's fine. And then three days before he backed out. I mean that doesn't surprise me. I feel like he might be nervous about some of the questions that he would get asked. And now that I really think about that. Well, yeah. I mean, he got spooked. But the thing is you should not say, yes, unless I mean it to righty. Yes. Specially after all the things I've done for him. Right. And the support that I've given him. I don't like that. I really wish that he that, you know, yet kind of like an away a little bit of a social anxiety thing. And he so he backed out, and we you have to replace him. Because a lot of the people were coming just for him. Yeah. And what what we got out and come what I should say. We I should say Scott Scott sorted. It all out what's he up to? Well, that was the big question. He comes out in Scott was like where the fuck have you been sorry, Linda, and 'cause he's not even on social. I heard that he had bought an RV and was driving around the country. Who knows I don't know what he was to be honest with. Oh, okay. So you probably actually no more than me. Because to be honest. He really didn't answer the question at sounds about right for him. He has a four year old a three year old yet. And so I get that. But but what does he do for a living? I don't know that either. And I don't know if he has a wife or girlfriend, or whatever maybe where did you hear that from him? Where did you talk to him? I didn't I talked to him. What like either a little bit? When we did a reunion for the challenge that we were on together something like that. I had heard why was he in an RV? I dunno. He just said that. And I think it was the girl got like the I don't know where it was like an airstream or something where they were like camping, and you know, like for fun. I guess, but I don't know if this is true because he has a lot of tall tales. But when on the show he was saying, and this is a really good idea. And I was like oh my God. I'm set that didn't come up with it. He had an. An invention. And like, I think they actually went into production to where he sold his idea to accompany our worked with a company to create rip away board shorts which sounds like why do you need those? But if you serve you sometimes you want to wear like, no board shorts under wet suit. So having something that you can like easily change in and out of is convenient and like he had like this whole velcro system. And I was like Tam that's a good idea because I've seen so many dudes towel changing on the beach like the idea that you just have like really, Mike. I thought it was going to do and. Yeah. Yeah. That is a good idea. It's funny to me how a lot of the people on the show, especially those that era. I have no idea how they make a living as I who pays you. I don't get it. Yeah. You know, like people from back in the day. And it just seems like they never got a job. And you're like how he paying your bills. I'm confused about it. But I don't know. There's are there those where where are they now kind of you have it never for those ones? And like, even when they tell you what they do it doesn't sound like a job. God that's true hito. They we always have this was Cyrus to always like, wait. What does he do? He has like a store. Right. But but not really I don't know question Mark on that. But regardless they seem happy, and he was good. I was so glad he could come because it filled that gap from Kenny missing it and or curious about where the heck he was. But he's a great player. So it was good. But. Anyway, a few months ago, I had put out a question on our brain candy crush Facebook group asking like, what do you wanna know behind the scenes reality TV in the challenge and all that jazz? And we do this every so often and people submitted their questions. So I guess we could go through a few. I'm sure we've talked a lot about some of them. But people I seem to have good questions, and that's fun for me. And usually it's the same old same old. But even with the same old same old question. Sometimes my perspective changes true. My my feelings change over time. So the same questions if you were to ask me, you know, five years ago, I would definitely answer different today. That's a good point like a few years ago. I might have said that I really didn't have a favorite pair of underwear. And now, I do and it's me undies. I knew you're going to say that I just said that I put a pair on today. I said to my husband these really are the best. Under I've ever had. And I that we all must have to convince ourselves when we're like these really are the best. Wow. They're so soft. They're so, you know, how dudes have soft underworld the time, but like the women's underwears usually kinda like more about style than comfort and this is about both because it has that super soft my micro modal fabric. That's three times softer than cotton for Pete's sake. And then you there have four different cuts, and then a million colors. They have classic bold adventurous. What prince did you end up with yours? There's still they are. But I have I have taken a peak around the website, and one of the ones that are my favorite or the Valentine's Day collections and they have matching set so you can get you and your partner. I mean. Matching set this Valentine's Day once they have is wine and cheese. You have to get that. Obviously, they come in a three pack of like little kisses like little lips wine and cheese and adorable cartoon hearts of. Oh, yeah. Well deaf there there's super cute, but they really are the most comfortable on these I've ever worn. And you can get fifteen percent off your first pair free shipping and one hundred percent satisfaction guarantee. If you go to meet undies dot com slash brain candy. That's meet undies dot com slash brain candy. I personally guarantee them as well. They are awesome. Okay. So let's start with our questions. I one Sarala me read to you. And I haven't read through these. So I don't know what people know. Is it normal? This is from riana for production to halt a challenge Earl mission and quote, fix items in the challenge or elimination. Do you remember when? Yes, rumors about that one that Johnny was up against them. Now only. Yep. And they had they didn't show it. But there were rumors that they had reset and the second time, and that was the first people had heard about this type of thing. So what is your take on that? It does happen. I mean, there's a lot of things you can't prep four. Yeah. And I think sometimes they don't expect people to go as hard as they do. And sometimes they break things. Sometimes, you know, so yeah, it happens. I would say maybe like one in one in ten eliminations. Right. There's something like that. Maybe to maybe even one in five because I would say it's like once or twice a season well in so sometimes like unit how? If it's a puzzle, for example, let's think about that. So there's a puzzle, and then they'll have to check and see if you got it. Right. Is there ever a delay between us saying done? And then them saying, yes or no. And if that's the case, then did they stop the other players from doing their puzzle while they check. No, they don't right. Yeah. That's kind of a good point too. Because sometimes there is a bit of a gap. Like, they'll be a moment where somebody from behind scenes will have to make sure that it's accurate because it's J always knows what he doesn't. There's somebody else who's checking. And also. Yeah. Like each person's assigned a timer. And there's somebody who times that person. So there's like a two person. You know, like like, I don't know whatever you call it balances in check checks and balances kind of things. Yeah. And then also I've been in the situation. I don't know if it was me personally who was competing in the elimination. But they asked for check the first person said, no. And then somebody was like, yes. That is right. Oh, really like, they didn't get it. Right. Took it that the person who's checking was incorrect. I'm trying to remember I want to say it was in. The one where they were upside down in the water tank with. Yes, I will fuse, and it was really confusing. And I think they got it. Right. But then got it wrong. There's a whole bunch of stuff like that. Okay. Yeah. So in that case, it kind of depends. But there's no like set system, but there's somebody behind the scenes that's making sure that everything is done properly do sometimes seem unfair. Like there was one challenge where we were in the Czech Republic. And no we were in Turkey as battle of seasons and Zach was on the San Diego team. And he was using this. It almost looked like a t bar like something you would hold onto if you were on the ski lift, and they it was like padded and foam, and it broke because he was so big and was like they didn't take into account. How like what the weight limit on one of these things would be or or how heavy player was and it fell he fell into the water, and then they had to reset the whole thing. But as they reset the dren. Lynn goes down. It's kinda like what happened. There was a Super Bowl a few years ago where the lights went out in the middle of the game. And it's like, okay. Well, that defense are off whoever it was gets a ton of rest now. And so it seems like is this really fair, you know, and so it reminds me of that. But it's like those things you can't really into Spain just kind kinda have to deal with it. And I think they ended up winning. And I was like what the hell that's what there's really no way to make a game completely fair. All. Yeah. Right. That's why they have the legal team there. Who's able to go? Yeah. There's nothing we can do here. A lot of times. I don't even think they're trying to make it fair. They're trying to just not get sued. Right. So it's like well. So crazy, I'm sorry. There's lightning outside and then hear the thunder. I do now. It's like the end of days out there ending bird fall from. Cut another one. Right. It won't it's like ominous. Like, I who knows because I just got three texts in a row from Unum. Just now what did he get there? I was like God. How do they know? They're watching me. It says it's Heyzer. Not sure if you got my message, but you know, I'm working on other challenge. I wanna talk about it. Would you be interested in participating on another challenge? My god. I thought they forgot about me. Those people who think I'm blacklisted out here if I mean, come on me sending that guy. No, somebody else somebody, you know. Yes. No one love. She's great interesting. Yes. What would you do though if it were after you graduate? Would you do it? No. I don't think. So I keep going across this. But no I can't because I cannot mentally subject myself to that insanity. And I have a different view of it. And it has become a why we I do that that no I don't need the money. It's not in line with my future goals. And I don't wanna be like I love that people that people don't recognize anymore. Do you you feel? I do. Yeah. I except one girl who works the hostess at a restaurant. I really like. And every time I come in. Well, it's been three times. She's like, hey, I know you from somewhere like we've been through this before. And she's like, oh my God. That's right. I remember sorry. Sorry. I keep she knows you enough to know you. But then not enough to remember right sums it up. Right question. And I just realized that I'm reading through the old thread like the thread from two years ago. But that's all right because there's ninety questions. So that's a lot right? Maybe I'll start at the bottom of it. So that. Yeah. Yeah. That the okay. Let's see would you ever? Let Lincoln go on reality TV. He's older. He's say he's nineteen. I would not encourage it. Yeah. I mean, it's not it's not healthy. Right. It really isn't in. You know, some people handle it better than others. But I also don't see it bringing what good things into people's lives, even after Mike. Okay. Yeah. You get a lot of followers or whatever. But that's not what a good. Yes. May disdain a bowl, right? Yeah. I've especially true for women though. Yeah. Doesn't come with long term benefits. Well, it's kind of like, it's it's very in line with you know, society right now where everything's like short lived. And I almost like in the moment, not long term. You know, we want instant gratification right here right now. Yeah. Not right on term futures unpredictable, man. Wants to know what it be just wants to know. Is it possible to be a vegan on the challenge? All my gosh. We don't with Nehemiah member. We asked him about that ho. Yeah. They were horrible with him. Here's the wow that's under a series. That's why I thought you assert. Okay. I found the new threat as well. Okay. Man. Yeah. No. I think Kellyanne and Nehemiah are the only ones I know who've had really Kellyanne vegan. I think she she may be goes back and forth. But I know she's vegetarian for the most part. Right. Well, here's what Nehemiah said just if you didn't hear that on our patriot dot com slash brain candy where we interview cast members and things like that. He basically said he got by. But the they did absolutely nothing to accommodate him. Yes. So he was left with rice or you know, just really enough to fill his belly. But nothing more was like, the garnish. Absolutely. And we were surprisingly, I don't know why this is. But I don't know maybe it's because of the forest or rainforest type environment. Don't have a lot of vegetables in places like the domin-. I mean, they do, but like the idea of salad in the Dominican Republic in these small little towns is like unheard of. Right. Here's your Casado, which is a nana's like plantains rice black beans. Chicken, right. Because they you know, you need that food because it's so hot owners wedding. And you're like burning calories like crazy. Nobody's like eating salad. Like, that's a waste eighteen and carbs. I'll tell you who does accommodate all diets is post meets. Oh, yeah. You can get anything you want. And they will bring it to you any food you like post mates has a gazillion restaurant options and personal food delivery. Whatever you want that they will bring to your house, and you don't even have to go on the challenge. Yeah. I mean, if you're like, I need red wine at four PM, I need sushi at nine pm, dude. I might do the challenge if I could tell it good. That's true. I would to be like that's a game changer total game could actually eat while we wanted. But this is post. I mean, I'm sure you guys are using it. It's like no more trips to the store. You don't even have to know where the store is. Both weights will deliver anything to you. And you just download the app on Android for free. 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Are they guided by producer? Is it your choice to do the interview? That's arlit. Yeah. No. It is not your choice. You have to do it. It's part of the contract, and you will get fined if not. And also it's very much run by the producer because they get to ask the question, and as we all those can be leading. And so how this had how the schedule goes is challenged elimination day interview day off day. Oh, wow. Or challenge elimination interview challenge elimination interview off, you know, more than I do I was just imagining or remembering that it was once a week like on Saturday maybe used to twice a week. Well, maybe when they the it would always follow and eliminate but all times when they're a bunch of people there. Yeah. They you may just do it once a week. That's a good point. Yes. Go ahead. Yeah. No, no. You're right. One of the other like insider info little things that happens people don't know about and you can look for this on the show to is Bill be a list a sign up list for time or they just assign you times based on who they know wake up first thing in the morning. I always had the first lot V two because I'm always up, and they know I'm going to be on time. And they have to get the ball rolling everyone just hung over. So nobody wants that. I interview because you're I mean, it starts pretty early like seven or eight in the morning, and these interviews go three hours sometimes they're really long, and it's very fatiguing because very draining. They have to turn the air conditioning off in the room because it creates a noise. And so by the end, you're just so you'll say whatever they want just to get such a good point. Like like, what do they call it interrogation? Yes. Interrogation tactic. Yeah. Dude. Then the say all say it so and they also they don't have a makeup artist or anybody who does hair or anything like that. And so it'll be like you and dude who's like twenty six interviewing you or whoever it is. And they'll have like makeup that they because they don't want you to be shiny. So they'll have powder that they purchased at the closest drug store that is the cheapest stuff garbage garbage. And there was one season where somebody did not take into consideration any the p Malta range of colors that people are and it also you look like somebody's like just got hit in the face of flour. Yeah. Like a pantomime. They're like we can't do that. That's looks awful. And so they don't think like that. So we're on our own with that. And there was one season. They asked the women particular like one that stands out to stop wearing so much bronze as their face looked like hollowed out like skeletal gonna in the shadows. And the with the light. So. That will in the room is usually a producer who asked you the questions they have it on a piece of paper the questions a cameraman in sound guy. That's usually it man. It's always hot like I said, and you know, it's not comfortable. So the next question is from Melissa. And she said she wants to know what goes into a challenge day. I soon there's more preparation than TJ just explaining the instructions in fifteen seconds. Is there? Additional prep. Are they're professionals giving additional instruction any not. So well known info about what goes into would be interesting. Take it away. Yeah. So TJ does his bit. And then they stop, you know, filming. And then they have a cute like we can ask questions are we allowed to do this or that? And there might be a producer that they're called segment producers where they come up with the challenges, and they have tested it. And they'll answer any questions or give you more instructions, and that can take a really long time. It takes a long time because then everybody has to ask, and you can tell the people who have been on the challenge for a while because they will get varies. There's two ways to do it get very specific in every single question. You ask. Okay. So if we do this does that mean, we get this does this count or no question. And then just hope that the no explanation of it leads. You know like you almost catch him in in. Exactly. Yeah. Yes. Totally right. Okay. Puzzles you want to get the full explanation. Anything? That's like man to man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You do not. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. Oh. And to the one thing I was going to say about the thing to look for if you're a viewer watching it with the in regards to the sign up list is it will usually be on the refrigerator door. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So look for the refrigerator door on the night of elimination. Yeah. And. Hey, sign up list for the next day. And that sign up list is the interview list, and it's usually really messy because people crossed their name out and change it, which it's like we're gonna restaurant and you switch shifts. It's like that. Jonah submitted this question, she said, you know, recently they've been talking more about bullying culture, the challenge. Sometimes TJ will say bullying, not tolerate it. Yeah. Which is the funniest thing I've ever heard. And then some people think there's no such thing as bullying in the game because that's can be a strategy and other people think no, no, no. You know, it's a gang a pile up or pylon, or whatever, what do you think? Oh, I just think because you're all living together like common courtesy and common decency is should be expected. But then of course, it's like not the way to win or you know. Well, that's not true. Nice guys do finish. I sometimes. But you know, I know that my moral standard says I'm going to not do those things, but you know, to each his own really. I mean, this might be controversial. But. A lot of times what ends up being put on is the actual moment when someone cracks and starts yelling at someone else. And what is less shown and less often featured is the provocation by the first person, right where it could be a million things. And there might be a million reasons why it's not shown it might be that it was like, you know, this person wasn't getting ready fast enough to go out to the club that night everyone had to wait four hours while a lot. Yeah. And they can't show that because that's like there's more producers involved in like getting ready for the night. But it can really make you crazy. Yeah. And then you end up screaming at them. And then you're the bully. Yeah. You know? And I'm also thinking that there's a real serious like mean, girl culture lays, very cliquey. And I think it just goes back to like I need to belong to a group. So we're gonna make like out groups in in groups totally and just arrange ourselves like this to survive. I would ever bully anyone that you remember I would say what we did to Kellyanne is a little bit of. I don't know if it like, it's not I don't Sarah. Now would not do that to somebody. Well, yeah. I mean, there's a lot of things. I wouldn't do. Yeah. No joke. So yeah, I think may be I'm and I'm one of those I hate like again not now, but at twenty one when I was like formulating, my identity and felt like all alone all the time. I absolutely was like the laugh along with them thing. I mean, you saw it with Katie Doyle when she got mad at me with the plunger, she was like, stop laughing. And I'm like, oh, this is what I was getting trouble for yet. Because sometimes the laughing is just as cruel. It could be worse. It's like, you're you're not taking any responsibility. But you're you're, you know, you're really just. Pushing the knife in deeper, and here's we're already stabbed. You know, there's another point which is that if you're somebody like me who, you know, I can handle myself in the competitions and stuff, I'm not a total light worthless character, but I'm not as physical as someone Comrie or whatever that social game in the house can be the difference between go hundred day, and is something that someone like me is going to use. And so you could call that bullying or a good game play as others rights day. So that so sank to each his own it's hard to know where the line is sometimes especially. Yeah. What I get for like I understand what MTV's doing, but like come on MTV don't even with that whole like what's accepted, the even feel like calling the next season war of the worlds yet is only further like. It's drawing attention to. I don't know. It's just it's I don't like it it kinda rubs me the wrong way. Guilty. 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And you get it by going to New Yorker dot com slash brain, candy listeners say fifty percent by entering code bring Keti six dollars come on. Gosh, sick of it. Okay. Now. Wow. Do you hear that? Oh my gosh. I sounds like rustling paper. This is cuckoo for cocoa. Okay. Brand says I love your take on how challenges and eliminations have gotten increasingly difficult over the seasons. Like how on the gauntlet one of the limitations was literally jump into the pool take six to seven tan, Graham pieces and solve it. And then last season a regular challenges jumping from cars the cars, and LeRoy nearly dies. Right. So somebody's already lost spleen. Wait who was the Tony? Tony what happened there? He was doing one of these jumping challenges above water until the heights above water. Those are the ones to be scared of. So he was jumping from platform to platform, and he hit the platform like with his stomach my nose like one of those long jump kind of things, and he missed the jump and fell short and it hit rightness stomach, and like ruptured spleen and many had to have emergency surgery in early Guay. Yeah. That's no. Thank you care. Firing. What do you think that the producers of conscious of this change from it being more about entertainment, and sort of, you know, just simple stuff versus like absolutely Olympic level of death defying feats? Or do you think is just that's what happens when you're on the air that and he sees it. I think maybe that's what happens. But you know, it's like anything like, I if it depends on what lens is you're wearing when you're for what you what you see in. What you don't see your what what draws your attention? So I would imagine that somewhere along the lines. They did some sort of experiment. If like, we're going to do simple challenges do really complex ones. And let's see what the people say until they look at Twitter, and they go look at all the people who are like, I don't like those. I don't like those what are the complicated ones. But that's because they're looking for that, they're already, you know, there is our or their mind is telling them look for the ones that are, you know, complaints. And so I think maybe it stands out more. They think oh people don't like this. When really it's just like anything. It's like, you're you're not it's not a Representative sample or like, it's only people who are on the extremes. And nobody goes like, I don't. I feel like there you're going to hear more complaints than you will people who are like that was so much fun to watch. When I was in New York with Marie and by the way, that was the first time I ever met her. So that was so was I love. She's she is. And she was talking about how they send the cast. You know, the pictures and things to promote the show for. Yeah. It's coming out and on social media, and she was talking about how they kind of track the insights from each person to see who gets the most traction. And yet it's somewhat, of course, based on how many followers you have. But it's also about how engaging you are whatever. But that's a whole side of the show that I am. I was out of before it began Senator name for it. It's called your like a something score like analytic. No. Yeah. It sort of is. And so they do these they there's a a service that they pay for then really shows how much and there was a website you go on. I think it was called clout dot com where you get own information. And you can see. Okay. Well, there go it's like that. Yeah. And they look at how much social influence somebody has or how much how often people tweet their names, or you know. Yeah. Okay. This is a really good question. Ronald wrote it it's two parter. I he asked you think the challenges sport. But then he said, and I love this question. Who would you tell about what happened on the show before it aired because we all do it even though we're not allowed guy tell everybody. I you're saying you would do you tell everybody. Yeah. I mean, anybody who asks not like not like fan like random people. But like my friends if they said did you win? What would you f-? I'm suzie. I'm I'm the worst liar. You can take one look at my face. And you can know exactly. What happens? Yeah. Right. So I can't. And I also can't keep not those kind of secrets like that's on the chat room. Thing. The forums. The people that know everything it doesn't surprise me at all. It's a pricing when people don't know something, right? Because there it's not like, we're survivor where it actually matters. We're just this silly show. And right. Yeah. It's nice. You know, if a secret can be kept. But we're not we're not paid enough to keep fucking secrets. And if it did matter they would especially on my last one. I'm like, oh, what are you gonna do? Take away the money. I don't have okay. Gotten the check and the checks were in the like in the Bank. So I'm talking and I'm like, and I was so pissed about them it happened. It didn't even matter that I talked about everything because people still didn't believe me. Wow. I think people knew that you Johnny made it to the non rivals three. But I don't think they knew that he took the money until very close to the air. Yeah. That for some reason didn't get out. I dead kind of become a hermit after that not telling you know, Jill. Julianne buddy about that. Plus, I I was just starting school. So I was in a different mindset. I think hunter kind of went into that hermit thing for a minute to you have to. Yeah. And I even think that that's a real thing that happens after the challenge that I've talked about with other people is you're so exposed that you have to almost the pendulum swing in the other direction when I got home from challenges. I wouldn't wanna go out. See anybody do anything for like a month? Well, yeah. Compress all I I did want to go to restaurants, though. 'cause I was having all my comfort foods and things like that. But I didn't wanna socialize, right? Sammy wants to know has any contestant seeing their interview get so edited that the final cut shows them saying something completely different than what they had intended. That's never happened to be. I've always been happy with my edit to be on when I look bad. It was bad. Yeah. I don't I've never experienced that. But I have seen it done where someone's been totally Franken bided, and it's so obvious, but they're allowed. So it did happen. A little bit on my real world. Where like that is not the order that things went in. And you can really tell because my hair's curly in one scene and straighten the next I know when I were warm, and I was like that I didn't wear my hair curly until the end of the season or whatever. So that's a bunch of bullshit. But you know, what can you do? Okay. Laura says how much time does a cast member have to prep to leave? Good question. I know they have the first round of calls. Oh, I see. I thought they meant leg the show me. Yeah. Me too. I know they have the first round of calls, but how much time does the cast member have that varies because sometimes someone will. Be put on the cast a couple days before. Yeah. It's always been about a month for me. Maybe a little more. Yeah. Me too. But I think there is some last minute switcheroo that happen. And then some people really do have to pack their bags and go, and I guess that certain kind of person doesn't mind that. Yeah. I do. That doesn't work for me. Maybe they know that maybe they put in the calls to the people who are a little more scheduled and need advance. Fully right. I have a life. Okay. She also wanted to know shade recently said that the contract change, and they are no longer allowed to talk about what they don't air. And we'll be fine. If they do he said, it was added to their vendettas contract is this change in contract. Change your thoughts on returning to the show doesn't change that. But gosh, that's really stupid. Yeah. So you have did not say that seems unenforceable right giving you and then oh your life. Right. That's what I'm saying is like you can't tell somebody please don't talk, especially if oak. Oh god. This has a lot of implications. Like if you like what they're saying. So if you experienced something say, you did feel like you were bullied on there. And there there was a time when I was I did feel like I was buoyed by a lot of those guys on my. I season. And that was really in a way kinda like traumatic for me, and my mildly, but you know, still affected me, and I thought about it afterwards. And if I weren't able to talk and share that with the people who were important to me in my life and kinda process it you're basically telling somebody to swallow. Yeah. That experience and just internalize it. Yes. And buried the emotions and feelings because God forbid you talk. No, I'm sorry. It doesn't change your mind cause neither of us are going back. But that does not make the the prospect any more appealing. But if you are called for a challenge, and you have to pack your bags, you should definitely bring in a way bag, these pieces of luggage are amazing. Have you? What do you want? You have one. I have a black one because you know, we just took ours to New York, and they were lifesaver because you can charge your electron IX like my kid, you know, when you fly now you have to have the ipad. That's what you, but you have to charge it. And so it's such a great high quality piece of luggage. But it also solves the problem of like, oh, I got fifty thousand things to charge in this bag will do it for you. I feel like an ultimate traveler when people see me plugged into that ching around for the outlet. We always trying to smoke. 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Oh my God. That's he's not wrong. Right. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Oh, Laura wanted to know a Devon reached out to you after your miscarriage? Oh, I haven't said, no the girl devastating. No, okay. Because it said, especially since her news came a few days after Devon's crappy comment about Sarah. I didn't know about this. Oh, no. Oh, no. She didn't. Because this was in response to Angie asking do either of you have bad blood with your original cast. I mean, I wouldn't call it bad blood. I just have like I'm like indifferent about that relationship is not one that I've continued to put energy or effort into. Yeah. And that's fine. Because that's a hundred percent like high school where you keep in touch with some people in you grow apart from other people still appreciate them, and you can still be, you know, happy for them in their life members Ling, and yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'm fine with that. But I did I was kind of you know, the other day I was looking for I'm doing this event. And I needed some pictures of myself, and the only frigging pictures, I have that aren't like me being ridiculous are head head shots from the. Show. So I googled myself. And what came up was the very first thing is the people magazine article about the miscarriage with the quote of me, saying, oh, I felt like a coffin which is like, you know, I gotta be careful what I say these articles because that was like mind set it on the show you they took that from our show from breaking. Oh, yeah. Well, now, I extract like that. Yeah. They didn't interview. They didn't interview me. Yeah. Oh, well that that's crummy. Yeah. But the thing that I think people really liked and by the way, this is off topic. But I had a friend who had a miscarriage recently. And she said to tell you that that episode really always helpful to her. And so what I wanted to say is just that. You know, you say I gotta be careful what I say. But I think your honesty, and your frankness really is helpful to people. And so you shouldn't censor it because you know, it can. Be taken by people magazine. Fuck them. Right. You know what? Thank you that really puts things into perspective and gets my mind right about that. Because that's how I feel. And that's why I wanted to talk about it in the first place. Yeah. Really had an impact in it helped people. And so don't don't you take that back. Oh, thank you. I'm glad for that your friend had you know that. Yeah. Was helped a little bit helped because you don't want. If you if you censor yourself, then it's not as honest, right? So did the right thing. Okay. Caroline wanted to. Oh, you know, what I have a question from Susan made me think of this. She wanted to know what we thought about the are you the one additions and stuff, but especially because of the season is going to be called war of the world. And they're introducing the ninja warrior all these people. Like do you like that idea or not? I mean, I know that it's I know that it's the natural progression of the show and where they're going and what they're doing. But I don't like it. Yeah. I think there was something fun about it being a smaller group that you always knew and loved and recycling the same people, even though people are like, oh, I wanna see more, and I understand that you have to. But I think since they don't have the real world anymore. They have to do something to get new talent. And I just the the big reason, you know, and if we really like peel back the layers, and I'm honest, it's because I don't I couldn't compete on there. Now. Oh, they will. But that's what Marie is like I don't wanna go against the digital boring. They're gonna beat me every day of the week. I mean, you there are only so many puzzles in memory challenges and there, and I am not going to be like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We don't like the one where you had to choose between eating cake or running naked. But at least anybody could be do those things. Yeah. And some of them do just take, you know, some experience and some logic. Like, I think all the not all the time. But every now, and then I think about the the leg of the final challenge that we did on a rivals three with Johnny. The very first thing we did was organize all these wires these like untangle these wires and plug the wires into this electrical box. And then, you know, make the explosion happened, blah, blah, blah. And nobody thought to wrap them like court. You know, how you right cords around your arms like I had a system for organizing it. So it's things like that that help you win. And there aren't a mean, it's true. The challenges have to be very well thought out to cater to somebody. Who would maybe have a different like there has to be a puzzle almost element to it. Yeah. And not just like the race throught bright, you know, and like almost like a trick. You know, Caroline asked a good question. Which is we've talked before about how they keep the pro finning cold medicine now. So fucking dumb. I'm so I hate it. And of course, like if you have a controlled substance, like, depression, I'm sure they keep those two, but what about like birth control? They they keep those. Oh my God. Really good question. I have no idea. I mean, I would imagine that they would. Yeah. Yeah. I do that is so stupid. There was a night when we were on the last show the last year goes on I got sick everybody in the house got sick. And I told you west hit the cold medicine like it was, you know, drugs like for drugs. Yes. And I waited by that door, you know, at night, they're probably like the producers once we're all in bed their play like fucking around and like not they're doing whatever cameras like sure make looking for movement. So I was like screaming like waving my hands in the air guys guys guys. And finally fuck it and walked over the production office and knocked on the door dudes. I've been calling you guys like what is somebody supposed to do? And I'm friggin thirty years old or however audit was yeah. And and I can't get some like Sudafed, or or you know, whatever was some what like, you know, whatever I had and you feel so out of control, I probably cried. And then they're like, oh my God. You're hysterical or whatever. Right. You know? And I just remember being like if there were an actual emergency. Right. Absolutely. I've thought myself where I've been like it's usually at like five in the morning four fire when everyone's in bed they're switching out the cruiser or whatever they're doing. And I have thought there's no phone. There is anybody that is available. If there were a medical merges, you know, I deal where you are. Yeah. You couldn't tell you. Here's where I am. Yes. You're so right. God for starting up. Could you imagine? What if there were some weird like gas explosion in the production office and all the sudden, and we're left and we're like stranded? It would be Lord of the flies. Right. It's a bunch of like incompetent flies to everybody's a chief. And no Indians. Forget it. Okay. Sasha wants to know. I would like to know what the camera and sound crew think of the challenges or any other reality show. I'm sure they would have a mazing stories how the crew feel when fighting happens or blah, blah, blah, or do they ever feel like they're in danger? What does Adam thank? Yeah. He has a lot of good stories about how from their point of view. How things play out? I remember when the Brad and Durrell situation happened on the ruins when the next morning. I saw in the garbage by the kitchen. There was a piece of paper from my husband. That said sorry, I got blood on the mics all my to the next crew member, you know. 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I wonder though, because I only have my perspective like sh- my experience in that room. And then just you know, the verbal reports of other people. Yeah. But I feel like I never have to do like say something again, or you know, like, I tend to be the one like a person they go to as I'm sure you were to to explain the rules. Yes. And explain or give a description of where we are. Yeah. Like, well, we're in the people that are going to say the shocking thing, we're going to break it down more. Yeah. And we're pretty good at getting it out in one take as evidenced by our. Almost three hundred episodes of podcast, right? I think that maybe some other people do have to take some time. And I think they they do mess up. Yeah. I all my gosh. That's some of the best stories. I will not name the producer. But there's a producer. Who tells me about the painful cringe-worthy interviews with? Yes. Tell me some guy plugging, but I know the list you're talking about Evelyn was a big like she could never she never felt like she was getting it. Right. So she'd be like let me do it. Again. Let me try again. That's. Tom, Tim begi? He said was he wanted to get it really funny. And so he do like five versions of the same joke. Evans like that too. Yeah. Like, we're they'll go with nineties. Yes. He would take notes through. Who else of like oh punch? Brad. Like Brad super funny and compelling, but like not great with words. And so he would trip over them gosh. But I love those stories because as you said, we don't we're not in the room. Right. We don't know what goes on for other people. It's easy for us. Watching this currencies and of top chef. And there is a chef on there. Who is terrible on damn make a joke about it or? Yes, is they even have like heathen awful. But he's an amazing chef and this is a producers nightmare and then like he, but he's on here because he's good. He's probably gonna make it to the end. But they're like it's almost have to make a joke out of it. Because if you didn't then you'd be like why why is this guy on TV I think it's unusual to have both where you're really good at being yourself and being candidate. And uncensored, but you're also good at taking direction and being able to speak, you know, in a way that people could understand without stopping. And so if you have both of those it works out great. But sometimes it doesn't I had to learn to stopping so wordy. Oh is they're all delays of fifteen. Second sound bite. Good point. Yeah. You have to be concise. Yeah. And if you don't if you aren't well if you wanted to your point to be air, if you wanted that statement, if something that you're saying was important you had to make it real short. Because if you had like a whole big long explanation to prove your point that was important as most people do that's going to get they're gonna throw it out because they can't Errol that. Yeah. That's a good point. So make shos weight when I was at challenged media. They introduced me onto the stage. And Scott always makes a joke about how you don't have a two-time champion, but he's like or three times if you ask her, and then I kept thinking about it because there's I get really frustrated because they he was counting gauntlet to and the ruins as my winds. I always say they should also count this break challenge because it had challenged in the name. I w-. One it and whatever. But then I also thought about how like I was on seven shows. I wanna pro I won a thing on five of them. 'cause both road rules. I got to the end and won the prize. And then the three challenges I named and so I feel like it diminishes it. Whenever people like two time champ because you don't get that. Like, I never got sent home on time. Oh, it's funny. Hi, get like worked up about it. But it's because I really I'm proud of that. Yeah. What? But this leads me to the question that George assed, which is that. West mentioned on his part to challenge media that the challenges in the finals of the first ten seasons were so easy that the winds should not count. What is your opinion? Well, I go back and forth because I think some of the more recent challenges are much easier finals as well because they stop it's like stop and goes, stop -solutely. So I disagree with. I think it depends on you know, what season and the one that he won with C T was so easy. It's a joke. It was one day. And then one of the things he had to do was like, just no Thackery and theorem. And I was like you just had to do a little bit of math and run around an island and swim. Like come on. Don't even I just feel like who's to say what's easy. What should be counted in its personal? That's why I'm like, no us. I feel like this deserves it Boba when you go through it. You think it's worthy of being counted? Yeah. So off it doesn't matter how easy or hard. It was your add an emotional breaking point. And you've been you've suffered for the last, you know, eight weeks or whatever. Or it is so it. Yeah. So can it was well, it some people think eating is easy. And some people think running is easy. It's like, it's subjective. Yes, you give me a swimming challenge. No problem. That was easiest challenge ever give somebody else's swimming challenge. Like, I would never say that the part when we jumped out of the helicopter in Norway and had to swim through that freezing cold fjord that was super easy. No problem. But I think other people like LeRoy and Theresa were like that was awful right because everyone is different straits west traffic. Crazy. Well, he just trying to say that his chance stuff is. Yeah. Everything it's always about him. Okay. Right. Bet says I've asked this before. But I still wanna know if anyone gets food poisoning from those crazy eating challenges. Do you get extra time to recover after those? Nope. And I did have to make myself throw up after it didn't almost didn't work after the eating challenge. We did in Africa. Turkey for battle the seasons where it was like. Like, one of those how many do you think you can eat? I can eat five. Well, I can eat seven. Okay, go. And then you know, we had to eat. We ate something. Like, I think it was like fifty something. Domas those grape leave what rice thing. Yeah. In like, four minutes, and of those eight twenty eight of them my God on a four person team, so tough and people I could see those like a guy that I was hooking up with at the time or did hook up with who had come to visit because he's friends with one of the crew people there, and he was watching me as I was doing it. And I was looking at his face, and he just had his look of horror like how does this woman who like wears high heels, and you know, can look nice be shoving food in her mouth. Like, she is one of those, you know, dudes at a height Doug eating contest right at a county fair. I've looked disc-. He was like I'm disgust. By that. Yeah. I mean, it is not our best moment. And I was so full afterwards. And it was all and I just knew I'm going to be sick. And I need to go just have a minute to make myself throw up. Oh, and you know, when we do get sick is from all the binge eating on the in the finals when you've gone like two days without like forty eight hours without eating and then they're like here this entire cow tongue and your body just goes into shock and is like up. Yeah. I'm gonna need a puke this up, and because also your in a what is it? I'm I'm pretty sure it's the para sympathetic nerve. No sympathetic nervous system. That is like activated when you are in danger or like you like you're in a high stress, you know. Yeah. Right. And so what happens the mid your metabolism? And your ability to digest food shuts down because it uses too much energy. And it recognizes that you need this. Energy for other stuff, like surviving running up this mountain or away from this bear, whatever. And so your body is just throws up because it's not it's job is to not eat right now. Do you think the viewers really like watching that? Because it does seem gross. Yeah. I do why. Because it's just funny and like there's a little bit about this like use they're in pain. And you kinda wanna see these people that what is it called show shout and shout a shot and Freud shot and Freud? Yeah. True. Yeah. Going into play there because it is gross. Yeah. It's gusting. Oh my God. I remember when I got heat stroke on that last the the final in battle of the seasons. Oh my God. I I remember being like during that whole season being very self conscious about weight that I gained especially from just being like not moving that whole season. And so wearing like taking off my top. And being in like a bikini top was really embarrassing for me when I was on that final puking my guts out. I did I gave FOX I was I had my shirt off. I was like hunched over with all of my like stomach like roles, and they really are. They were and that like as you see him and all the skin all like that. I didn't even care because I that point. I'm like, I'm so I was sitting in a pile of birth. It's like I'll do not Yair that didn't care about any of that. And it's all on TV, and it's all there, and you can see it and in all my glory, and I was just like I would have never under normal. Circumstances allowed myself to be shown in that light. But. Nope. I was in. I couldn't even think. Well, we've only got through a few questions. So we'll have to part to sometime, but that was fun. It was it. No. It's a good point. What you say though about how your answers change. Yep. 'cause the more you reflect on your life changes the context zeal back, you'll think maybe that wasn't so bad or maybe that was worse than I remember, whatever. So it's fun to kind of take a minute. Every once in a while. And thanks for taking me down this on this. Vidigal the questions everybody that was really fun. I don't forget to subscribe to the brain candy podcast. And if you want more challenge content, go to our patron dot com slash brain candy. We do all kinds of interviews QNA's and things like so much stuff for you there. All right CNN time. This podcast is brought to you by we've podcast network. Check out all of our shows, including the brain candy podcast. I don't get it bathes babies coffee condos, and let's talk about.

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Steve Lord and 44CON

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23:39 min | 1 year ago

Steve Lord and 44CON

"Welcome to the human factor podcast hosted by the people hacker jenny radcliffe warning. You may reveal more than you think hi everyone and welcome to this special edition of the human factor security podcast. Today's edition is i'm going to be talking to steve laws. One of the co founders enters a forty four kahn which is common off in london for the eighth years at save up nine nine hundred on the into september awesome. Luckily expect tim and a half as a madness ready so we have at the event so we opened up into wednesday evening with the public evening. <hes> pre registration nations available to everybody and we've got a bunch of talks and workshops going on as well as screening event bladerunner and then on thursday. We have <hes> the main registration so the main conference itself tokes much else lots of different side events going on from lock picking through to some small cod access this control stuff the evening on saturday. We actually have many hats club meets up which will go on all night and then on the friday again mo- talks and workshops shops and then eventually solve around four chevy packs open then we get out london. This just makes me laugh any say the money how to clip that will go on all nice if i need the money how to school but certainly will love the guys i really wanted to speak to you about this because after the confession is i've never made as a forty four com before i'm going to make a share what so of is the is the kind of vibe forty four because why not been looking at doing some research just to tokyo associate it sosa strikes me. It's a little bit different so the cons inasmuch as you mean. You actually say this new scanners. It's very much about network and training vein instead towards me bit about what he wanted from forty four k. so when we started forty four when we started planning for it there was nothing in the u._k. In five security in europe and when we announced forty four i think not long after the original besides london was announced so there wasn't really anything that and most of the people involved in forty four on initially connected to death gone in some way or to dc four twenty so the idea was to do something that had more of that kind of vegas vegas type vibe without the that's where we initially went and as we've expanded changed over time. We've kind of go into a vibe where if you look at some of the the other conferences in the u._k. That very each has the little things but the very focused on the broad unity whereas fully four has been very much focused on professionals but without all the stuff that you get an emphasis so we don't have sales pitchy type tokes. We don't have badge scanners and things so takes a bit of education for some of bunce's bu- a very very different. It's like a halfway vibe between say something like defcon and black hat okay. It's very hacker friendly but also also very professional focus so to give you an idea we have talks are probably more in depth than you might get some community events but the same time we also have talks on things like building security teams on what i am the main difference between us and say some of the other events that you get in the u._k. Is that we fly speakers in from abroad internationally so it's very international event speakers from as far afield india israel australia canada the u._s. as well as u._k. Speak as well yeah. I mean i was looking at some of the previous speakers and some of the alto she bought the videos nothing and the whole she we've all got in the industry about video so laser but i was looking at the kind of range of the trainings and stuff that's been the is and obviously particularly some of the social engineer and stuff caught my eye even from the early taste like gavin you in valerie thomas you know the that's in abs- focused training in his neck. I suppose it's a welcome welcome opportunities suit when sort of the main cons or the other so macon's of tides also a little bit and it's a good opportunity for people to go and just expansion and knowledge something and we have <hes> three days of training in the run-up to forty four on his well. It's very much the same thing you might decide. You wanna go to vegas to go and do the web at pakis handbook <unk>. We've on the web at pack handbook when you factor in the cost of flights plus the <unk> with generally cheap and a black hat anyway to do the training at forty four on you can usually stick two people on for the price of one okay so it's it's kind of the thing if you wanna reward you guys incentives vegas and send them to black hat to do the training then that's great but you can do got here as well. It's the same kind of great of training that you would get there. They're not it's not an an and this isn't meant to sound stint. Put a lot of them are not sure trains. It's a couple of days for people to really so addictive and a network in and around it with the social side as well. I mean i'm looking forward to the sheer. You've got you mentioned the am. If i d acceleration that's crazy right yeah yeah yeah. I've known chrissy for years. It's rainy rainy. Get together here. She's she's going to during two hours on building around r._f._i._d. Hacking tools with audrey no and that's in the evening and then you've got and then you've got your actually now. I know the huge blade jonathan so how you screen ablation is in is one of the big conference rooms and yes we have. We have a village hall will be screening blade runner normally wednesday on twenty four on thursday from os organizing besides liverpool it was i it sorted to chaos in the last in the last couple of weeks before the confidence feeling this year i mean is being because it's getting bigger every year right yeah. Yeah i mean it's the thing about doing when you're at the ninth tenth year he kind of have a processes still get things throw up all over the place but a lot of it is kinda now just business as usual processes to make <unk> things done so this year for example the new thing doing his mental health village so we're actually bringing the mental health taxes over from the states and we've also got a yoga session on the thursday morning. We have like a friday. I think there's some stuff going on on friday as well but there's also a specific track so we've been kasan setting that up this week making sure that seoul salted so he goes some talks very so the bits and they're going to have a really nice area. That's new but all the regular stuff. That goes was on. Is kinda like mostly clockwork. We had a fun one this weekend where <hes> because obviously based in the u._k. We fly people. It's nationally we mostly use is be a this weekend. We got an email saying that g._t._e. Strike action your flights role being canceled. We've been covered on the tin foil hats. What's club <unk> national infrastructure failures on problems that have been coming up in the last few months and i saw that on a wounded whether that that's a defect <unk> not just for this before for manchester maybe empha- with some of the events going on it's a it's really the way so many anything can just the fact that i mean we lift weights. I think six speakers in in the last in the two weeks leading up to the conference palau for one reason or northern northern some of that was flight release. It just makes you panic as an organizer right yeah but you know marriage l. who handles speaker ups pre-event event. She just did an absolutely amazing job of out and navy. Everybody's been salted. At least everybody. Booking flights full has been sorted out <hes> subway backups so a for everything excellent you mentioned that a lot of these processes run like clockwork now over the years though how's it changed i mean as as it involves the way you expected it to. What did you not really think about that when you face. I don't think we really thought about how it might evolve q. Surely what happens if we did something wrong. Garyanddino tell us which is always good because one of the things we know is that our ten days have been getting older and older so which is great in in some ways because it means. We have a very senior people attend. We've got new people coming in as well and they go. Oh my god people just know so much <hes> when they when they go to people about upscale questions and then get answers i think at the same time we had a period where everything was that we would. It used to be tabby heavy partying and we moving away from that now. We're trying to make sure we have known alcoholic options plenty of in plenty of water everywhere and things so it's kind uh-huh we kind of changing with with the demands of our attendees more than anything else so it's kind of plan ahead but we have scaled up on training so one of the things we've been doing this this year. We've run full training events a london next year. We moving out of london. Okay tell me more about that. So we're looking to run training events. It's alongside local conference events in different parts the u._k. So at the moment <hes> we're actually made up to manchester yesterday because today we're actually looking at venues music manchester with a view to running something around besides manchester next year a year and i had a chat about running something around besides liverpool to try and bring that that higher-grade training up north because again we kind of a lot what we do is defended by attendees so we get people coming old way from scotland flying down and we're able to go and bring the training due to scotland site besides glasgow next year than they actually saves them not only cash but it means that they can go home in the evening and be with the kids. Yeah i mean i think this is this is one of the things the starting to stand up for me in terms and go to security conferences for a few years last the need then me south and a few of the people and i'm starting to see that you know that people wanting to non alcoholic options people wanting to go out and have something a lot more chills than the changes going out to you know a bar or maybe to liverpool mar at very crazy the night before we basically are night before venue that is down so we just before shortly. It's liverpool right. There's a pull right store and it was a scorching hot as everyone just went to the princess outside the night before but on the night after people just wanted to have by three just really it was very very chilled out dispatches some music and a few drinks because yes. I think that that crazy party kind of thing that that's a feature of conferences. A lot of us are just now. I don't know whether it's because i'm getting older third. Don't keep off as well as the. I think you need those options so i think the whole scenes changing a little bit so only what we found is that a lot of people are getting eld but also the younger people coming in just on interested in it. I mean i think interested in a couple of drinks but not not going on into the wee. Small hours doesn't mean not every time but who knows who knows i mean if we present the opportunity i mean and when i spoke to tom about besides linden and he said to me you've gotta just yeah people make a choice you said give them some options in give them a tracy says we're in london right. If they wanna find triple they can if they want to jump the can but we're just you've just just gotta let people make a choice and i thought that was really good advice. Well listen. It sounds like it's going to be a brilliant conference. I was wondering if over the years you had some favorite moments. I mean union ninety view now. What stands houses like was there a time. When someone spoke there was something in in the history of it that we've done it and this is something. I'm gonna remember god. There's lots of them. I think maybe one of my favorite times was when <hes> fireeye tried to shut down research and a legal injunction at the last minute to stop aaron w from talking about vulnerabilities in that products and that was fantastic because the i mean w a great bunch of guys but they were under so much pressure out to go ahead and we had some help from full and we had some help from from other people in everyone. Just kinda came together. That's just kind of say yeah. This is wrong econ radi shutdown this legitimate security research and it turned out that it looked like it was around the time of the mandate merger merger and basically. I think the thing that happened was the aaron w is it found that fire is secret source in that product turned out to be g._p._l. Code <hes> ah so they went ahead with a toke notes do anything that breach injunction but agreed around that pretty uneasily and it was really that was a good one. I think another one <hes> the <unk> as well another great to what we had was a chap called evan came talk about potential binding finding potential so he took a curate coffee may kevin turned into a biotic hemmed using no extra pots yeah as in but we also had some really good stuff as well. We had ruptured spleen who love up shifty. He's effectively the guy who's is the reason we have the computer misuse act. He's been on human factor as one of my favorite people in the community what grades view i've never seen him. Speak live. I've been on panels donaldson twitter. Yeah we had him on <hes> doing a retrospective and it's just like there's just a level of depth of perspective that you don't normally get to say well. I am looking forward vote now. This is one thing no we want to wish look from besides liverpool. I'm just gonna speak and we'll have to see we. We're gonna wish especially good luck to because sheesh mattel the one person army because he did pose a brilliant tour so one little wave to kosice but also i'm going to miss. That was a few toes. I'm gonna m._s. because i can't get off the until lisa but my wicks is talk on human side channel is something i'm not going to get there in time for but i do believe that you have to legend that is cooper path helping you with video and stuff i is. We're going to see that on youtube channel owed because there's a whole whole issue about this at the moment. It's tell me bit about our. That's that's going away with. Definitely gonna have stuff upon the channel so cuba's filming thinks he's he's gonna do trot won't track to and the ritual and i think possibly something else as well our workshops upstairs so there's four tracks that keep his guys are could it be filming and we can have all that up. We know entirely sure how will handle the releasing. It's kind of normal <unk> for events to throw up bullet videos at once but the problem is that some moments subscribes to it than that just floods their feet with all of the things at once so we've been releasing one talk day from our alkai onto our youtube channel and that seems to work very well for the not messing up people's feeds for their subscriptions okay so i think we're going to possibly try and do something along those lines as far as releases consent but i didn't even know about some stuff about youtube talking about instructional hacking videos and removing well. That was what it was scott now that you've got pretty comprehensive ask on the sites if i was taught to me but about your thoughts on the class noses instructional high-gain is being a youtube sizes or did the silent while ago to take a load videos down because the decided attack in was criminal annoy annoy instructional so yeah so you guys despicable about that on the site to tell me saw me i i did some research on youtube and child exploitation a few two years ago and radi way youtube works is very algorithm and because everything is done at scale. It's all automated so you cheap it. South doesn't really distinguish in terms of context so when they say they're going after instructional hacking videos they probably mean things that auditing being websites and other stuff but the ability to determine the content is not going to be. It's not gonna involve a human being. It's going to be able to make it. It's gonna make mistakes. The classification systems will be bogus and conferences are gonna get hit because all it's gonna take his full somebody to talk about. Let's say for example sample of vulnerability that might affect slack than the youtube systems could very easily say will talk his bad so block that and then and we'll take down another talk over him in another toke him. We'll take channel down and it's really bad for a lot of events to kind of be relying on you. Sheeps good favor to be able to continue to distribute stuff so we've been looking into using gum. I think old pitchy to provide a prime results so the idea is i. I will put videos up on pitchy was still in the process of uploading everything into that a testing it to make sure that it's all right and then that will allow people to download download our videos from anywhere. It's all streamed over bittorrent cold-weather <unk> the thing that uses but yes people be downloaded videos put them on their own devices in a gulch as they prefer we don't have to worry about things like take downs and automated stuff potentially waking up one morning and the channel is gone so we'll continue send you to use youtube because its support for devices is pretty much unparalleled but in the long term we will probably look at hosting our orion videos more than relying on youtube as a platform every tuna as well. I mean certainly <unk> security. We've got something coming off zoologist for the same reasons because social engineering is a hot topic with the algorithms not seeing you know fortunately or people kind of give me a schaus about am i still so far is sickly controversial but yet picking up little bits and pieces and it's kinda syringe in you. Put yourself in the hands of something that so huge. It's hard to be nuanced in the police innovate so i'm glad that we're going to be able to do because i was looking. I've got a big stock of archives to watch from my journeys around the next week to in the fifteen days before forty-four con two thousand nine hundred eighty starts. I want to say that to you because i know whenever anyone said anything like that tomato liverpool. It just made a heart say no. We've got longer than fifteen days new. Look on your website. It's the countdown so listen. It sounds like a great car one thing about two more things to ask you. The first thing is these conferences don't happen without sponsorship and i know that this being comments on social media ah about about sponsorship cons about sponsors speaking and everything else but they really wouldn't happen without them. Since you want to. Just give a shout out. Some of the people who support forty four cannon helped make it happen pin show so i mean i guess i guess if i'm gonna give some shots at red lights out hackel on who joined us last year and a back this year so they've been really great tim supporting us. They're actually running our c. T. f. which is going to involve commodore sixty fours as terminals olusen and people people were registered for the on old school commodore sixty fours love that an i an an hacker wanna running the u._s._o. Radio meeting really glad to have them on board with that and they're also going to be a gold sponsor so that'll be bound village. They're opening up the village which will so you'll be u._b._s. Edem as you go round also microsoft and google who microsoft or silver sponsor googly exhibits but what they've really done. It's i've been with us for a very long time and that both being ready fantastic in helping to establish our assistance program which is set up to help people who can attend faulty full con- con because of financial hardship will deprivation to be able to allow them to come to the event and to hopefully get jobs out of it so you know big show out too much often google to to help us there <hes> trance voice as well. He was sponsoring the mental health village while it's being silva so really looking forward to seeing them there <hes> it'd be fantastic tastic to say you know what they're gonna stand n._c. Back m._c._c. <unk>. Everybody says n._c. Everywhere but n._c._c._a._m. You've been very helpful for rose in terms of providing with a loss opole and also the law speakers. I mean i think i think we'd go fool tokes from people n._c. <music> old and it's it's it's <hes> we have a c._f._p. Process but obviously because that <unk> around this going to be a lot of people n._c. Submit to pay. I'd like awesome. Thank tenable insight passes well for sponsoring excellent. Well we're gonna we'll certainly put them in the show today because you know again besides liverpool liverpool all of these conferences they do not without the sponsorship support. You know i mean you specifically avoid that kind of sales pitchy. I you know i've never head head that the data goes on a forty four con china vote as organizers and i think the people who speak avoid that as well they generally want to be part of the community and without those kind they funds. We wouldn't be able to do it so yeah. I'm glad that you can we can give you an opportunity to shout out to the people support. Keep this community gallon so last question shen before i say sia in london if you had a magic wand and if anything like with forty four cannon the next companies what would you when you can see what you think you guys day so that's what i wanna do and then as more would be probably killed for trying today so i would want to do is we'll tell glenn take the trading and the corner around the world. Take it so the places <hes> with with something like a week training and then in smaller than and then have it so that will take it round the wheel to places but i know they've i said that swell crew and if that listing they're probably going to stay. No no please don't yeah. I think that's why i'd i'd love today. Yeah it's great being based in london but really a thing especially the stuff going on in the the u._k. Market for conferences pretty saturated but there are lots of places where there's lots of people and there's lots of opportunity but there isn't any event there. I look forward to see another. Some fields not only in a couple of weeks time but over the next few years now. I have an actually colin here and said you are camman human factor po castles me about your own career outside of the footsie for con but i'm going to let that die down and then we're gonna groppy in in the winter so f._m. Now good look and may and how many people are expecting somewhere around. I think five hundred to five fifty. We normally try to cap around there. Okay okay so million five hundred and fifty people see you in london eleven to thirteen september at the isla which is of course a well-known well although place for all of us in the community so good luck with that steve and we'll see four forty four hundred nineteen chain starts nine hundred eleven to september in the the conference itself as he sounds like it's going to be awesome. Thanks for coming on to talk about her. 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Starting 9 Episode 144 - Together in LA

Starting9

1:50:16 hr | 11 months ago

Starting 9 Episode 144 - Together in LA

"AH WELCOME BACK TO START A sold. One forty four which by the way before we started recording this We've been doing this. PODCAST cast since two thousand seventeen. We got questions. The short porch started last year. There are an episode one forty nine and we're on episode one forty four. We do two episodes a week during the season. Redo one episode a week during the off season so our what point was the short porch. Just doing like six episodes a week to pass us. That makes no sense. We've never taken any time off their paw. It's like is this a high school football fucking what are we. Today's days. What are they got going on? Yeah I don't understand like a full season ahead of more than a full season ahead. What's where's this? Where they've been doing this? I would say it would. It would make a lot of sense to investigate the short porch. I don't it's something it's something we have to do. Oh I think at this point in time because integrity of baseball podcast thing I would say. It's only fair to investigate the short porch. It's it's I I I'm I'm one hundred percent with you. I think I mean before we commit to the launch. I think we should I think we should. Maybe we we gotta we gotta we gotta figure out how this is even possible. Like I'm trying to think about a calendar here and how that operates else like. How much baseball were they talking about? Would we weren't talking about baseball. You're gonNA make more sense. I don't understand that now I think of it we. We should probably investigate ourselves. Was it would would make more sense like if we had like two hundred forty four episodes not one forty for like if we went to like one ninety nine and then we were like two hundred. I want fifteen thrown back wide. Yeah why why are we not what what happened. Where did we go? There's no way they've they've done more episodes than us. I can't believe it doesn't make sense. No it's something we have to look into we at this point in time. Now now you know what fuck it. We don't have to wait any think. This is the official launch of the investigation into the short porch. Yeah I don't I can't believe I can't at this point by it now. I need somebody we need. Somebody Buddy. Is there anybody out there. Willing to listen to how many one hundred hundred forty nine hundred one four even though we started a full year season ahead of them and we never took a week off. Look what they don't get to like. I don't even think they started doing too episodes a week until like this year. This isn't like that like this isn't like the big leagues. Trust me. I know when you get to accumulate time for being hurt in a piece of shit. Yeah I know I know all about Dasher so you don't. That's not how this works. They didn't like just because they liked the Yankees. Yeah for a year together. Doesn't mean they get to now like like Chalk Doc. Those diese for episodes right is that what happened. There's this doesn't make sense. I don't get it. I don't know I don't know what happened. Something happened here though. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA HAVE WE'RE GONNA have to have J.. Look into this. He's the math guy he is. He's the numbers guy. Yeah by the Way Dallas together. True story in person played a little softball tonight. We did starting nine. Yeah took took over the diamond. Yeah he did Let's just say everyone loves a good Comeback Story. That's really what it was all about. Who was Well let's let's not bury lead here. We we won the game. One of the game. We'll the game convincing fashion. And I'll say this the The inning that you had to sit out was the worst defensive inning. That you guys at it was it was just a fact it was like I don't know if there was anything to it's like hockey plus minus the right fielder who replaced you being worse than you. Well let's just say that only one ball is at my direction. Yep was hit pretty good yes we talked about that. Yeah I would love to see. Here's thing let me just let me just talk about this real quick amount right field just a position that I played thousands of times foulland's of times since literally. Yeah first thing not a lot nike. Oh Wow day games kid. Don't let the not fully. I mean it's different to you. You can't deny that it's you know the ball all off the bat. It just looks different in the night sky versus the daytime. I mean there's there's different reads you know. Sometimes it's the light rust me. There's different there's elements that are involved. Yes so that's something that the folks at home if you've never played baseball before in your life it's like you know how. How hard is it? Catch a fly ball very give give give we talk about the audio of the play. So I'm playing. I'm playing shortstop like in Eastwood and I watched the ball off the bat and I'm thinking to myself this is this is outstanding. This is right at this chair. Jared takes Jerry takes two steps in and just instant. Oh Shit Ah Shit battery. It was beautiful because everybody else just started dying laughing. Because that's that's what happens when when that happens out there. It's it's really funny because everybody has that same reaction and typically. You don't have like it. was that perfect moment. Like we're you know you're in class or you're in a in a loud area where people are talking and you're talking and maybe you're saying southern that you shouldn't and then all of a sudden it goes silent and everybody can hear the shit you're talking about now. They hear that comment. You just made well. It was like there wasn't wasn't a pitch being thrown on any other diamonds. Nobody was yelling. Nothing happy ball strike. Shit we saw. We saw the back of the rocket. Uh I mean well yeah it was a bad yeah I mean Brin tried to charge me with an errand that's a that's an inside the park home run. There's no error on the play that is true. The official or rule that an inside the park home run brave was Pennsylvania. That's unfortunate you didn't make it was just a is. A bad is a battery too. Bad route of really wasn't all route. To begin with. It was center fielder back me up so I didn't really even have to do much. Just take over my head. I was like this no longer. My place dot cast has that at a zero efficiency Outta my jurisdiction at that point. The psychologist backed off and logistic but will but but you know what we do things. We're GONNA get better. I was very excited. I was watching warmup swings. You get a nice path. Now she regenerating I got a great swing not really for slow pitch softball so you you gotta throw me the heater like if you're not giving something something straighten hard then. I'm just not a whole lot. I can do it that you took some great great hats before Before the the pitches started coming. Well don't make it seem like I struck out all contel single time and it. It was a good taste of those those Santa Ana winds that. I've been dealing with out here. Yeah you know I mean absolutely out of nowhere. Little Dust Devil kicks up forty five mile. An hour gust the ball that you hit like I I had to check the bat and make sure that it was going to be usable again for for cracks or dens the ball that you hit hit. If I've ever seen a ball get hung up. Yeah the first. It was talking about hitting a sheet. Yep shortstop made a great play but yeah I mean you you barreled it up. Yup I line dry shortstop A.. Second bad chopper. Up The middle. That should have been base. It should have been to for to their third third bat. I don't remember the third one fourth one fourth one I got under it popped up to the third baseman and then the fifth at Bat finally off the Schneider with a rocket into center the Brin. Br I think you woke up pretty. Was this done three sweatshirts and underneath a blanket and she heard the sound of the Bat and knew instantly what was going on. Oh my God this is going jared's game ball moment. Yeah I need to get on and you need on this. Well I mean I warned her. I call my shot you did. I call my shot. older to sleep with the confident. So Yeah Yep I was Kinda just like I I could feel it. You know what you know. What did it though those kids know the kids showed up and they were ruining against make and I was too comfortable I was like yeah I mean I'm honestly GonNa come in here and go like four for five with three doubles? I'm in trouble or whatever I just didn't work out that way and then these kids showed up there like not taunting me but there are definitely rooting against me. And then when I was at the plays they're like he's going to strike out and I was inside the second. I heard that was like that was put together your best. Ab that time around. Yeah like the second that I know that people people are watching me that know me that are rooting for me to fail that. Hey yes never gonNA. Hey that might have been were because everybody welcomed you with open arms They weren't too friendly excited to have you. Yeah they were. It was great. You took a couple of pictures with some of the team. Yeah it was good stuff. Yeah it was good so I I was glad to see you as you walk out of there with a batting average for sure. Yeah because that happened yeah. Exit Velocity was pristine the entire night I after the the knock into left center. I tried to take first base out of the ground it. It wouldn't come up. It was it was in there. Pretty good it's tough. They actually got an orange bag there. Jared I don't know if you notice that yeah I saw that 'cause you're only on base one time but they've got ridgeback there. Yeah and that might be something that. MLB decides to kick around. There should thoughts on the orange bag since you were actually Zahn able to utilize. I liked the idea. I think it makes sense. 'cause I don't ever let that go. I feel like I've seen the orange bag before plenty of times other softball venues yeah. I don't know what I don't ever her I've never stayed. I don't know what it's like to just go to first so like. Hey do that bag on first base couple times. No yeah you. Also they kill the guy that's running out in right center Dallas Britain get a ground ball to shortstop and instead instead of just under haning to his second basement to complete the double play. Dallas takes it upon himself to go the unassisted double-play route and You you know. He runs over to second base tags. The bag and then steam roles and ninety five year old man still still turn the Dole play. Still turn the The double play there but in the process ruptured spleen of a ninety five year. Old Man First of all he shouldn't have outstanding did not he didn't slide and he didn't veer. Yeah but those are your options there right. That's on him so I mean it's not not on on him. Hey get out of the way right. I don't I don't know I've got to play to make right. I'm glad to see that he was okay. He actually made his way out to right field for the remainder the game he did. He was a first baseman until that happened. That is what motivated me a little bit too. You're sitting in the dugout me and Bryn after I was removed from my my defensive offensive services and the man after after you bulldoze him again. This this man was ninety. Five years old hammered. The hammered a double into the gap. Now it's like all right. I doing work this just because first of all I didn't fucking Steve Iran and stopped now the bag and he ran into me. Dallas Lord Shoulder older drove this ninety five year old man into the ground and British sure. He flexed over his body. Oh Oh yeah he lived. He's fine he's fine like he shouldn't have lied to see that that motivated. You know I did. Yeah for sure like after that happening and then You know he hit a double and I was like come on and I heard you out there. I heard you out there but I made that play. Oh I said I said it's just a Game Fox. That's what I said from. I think it was when I made the play I made the actual play. I I reacted yeah. Yeah I heard that. Show us if you look behind you. Jeered On that shelf there she got the gold glove. Yeah that's real good that's from the League uh-huh think it is. Yeah what you saw out there tonight. That's from the softball league. You mean correct. Yeah Yeah No. That's no I got. I got snubbed on at the big league level. Yeah you got to look up. Those those highlight videos and laying out doing work doing work in the coffee buddy. Did you body. Yeah check it out. You're a snag comebacker Yeah sure then you get caught in the throat. One time I remember making that yes you don't tell me Uh uh why. Why isn't wide like the name like Vernon wells up vernon wells yes vernon wells wells? WHO's in WHO's an agent now also a wine enthusiast? Yeah Yup company sure does. Yeah Trust They Roberts right sure does yeah and drew bledsoe people forget that. Yeah so comebacker off your throat. Did A bouncer was it. A line shot got no fucking liner right off like I was releasing the ball and it like my hand was just in a position like honestly you go back in like they were showing me if my hands not in the way that hits me directly in the throat yeah and like who knows it was it was a hundred sixty sixty yikes blew my hand up. And they're like Yo we gotta get this X.. Rayed and shit like let's go and I'm like you're absolutely right. Right after this fucking ballgame. Oh wow only that happened in the first unique Against was he with the Blue Jays still with the Blue Jays got it yes just went on Vernon wells six. No big deal who you're up against our about it who pitched that day? Yeah I don't know I do not know I remember. It was father's dad believe whom I remember correctly. We're years I WANNA say oh nine in one thousand nine may hear some. We're on their eventful day to day there was we're in La away. That's in and out Burger. Yep got to experience a car driving without keys yeah. I don't know how that happened. That was weird. Yeah I feel like Gotcha. Some ironman Shit cues fill out of the car and we just kept rolling. Yeah and restarted it at the in and out Burger parking lot. Yeah Yeah no problem related to what we're doing about Your because as you listen to this uh-huh we know. And everybody knows that we will be embedded with eastern They've have what is called an eastern activation and eastern event They tell us that they've got a couple surprises and they couldn't really take the lid off of quite yet so we're excited added for that yet But it's basically going to be a look at the facility that's out here at thousand oaks They're making a big push. Obviously with the off-season starting winter meetings coming around people understand that this industry my friend is a machine much like the nfl much like the NBA. It's like me doesn't but just exactly like Hashtag rocket the machine doesn't stop So they're going to continue to grind. Were part of that. We get to look behind the scenes like I said I'm pretty excited. Pretty still because actually a guy that was playing at University of the Pacific was there when I was playing in the big leagues. The guy that used to be able to throw bullpens two. He is now working at Eastern. So it's really cool just as guys that were in the game at one time still around the game still doing awesome things so I'm really excited about that but it's going to be a kick ass time I don't know I don't know if we're GONNA be playing games like what competitions. I really don't know so what to expect man. I don't know what we're doing. Yeah like like honestly it says. Bring athletic gear. You know what I'm saying. Now bring your cleats. Bring your turfs. I think you know. Bring a glove you remember. They sent a backpack in each and every hotel room. I believe I'm lucky enough. I was able to go and pick mine up at the facility today so I got a low down right. I don't have cleats. We get to suited up. We suited up. I think my wife's got some clean. It'll probably fit you cool. You dialed in love that I'm excited. We'll see what happens I would say follow starring on on Instagram to consume the content. Get a look at the Get a look at the story. Absolutely you're going you're going to get a fresh taste of what transpired. Fire tonight on the diamond. Yeah we also. Did you look at the ugly sweater. I did thoughts on it fan. I gotTa tell you if you've got to look at the Alex Bregman rocket t shirt and I tried to go that route again and I requested like like Gimme. GimMe a fucking jacked reindeer. Put your head on it. Rudolf like leading the way you know. Just throw me in the back Trust Immune a Santa suit and I wanNA J. Like popping his head out of a cottage of fresh trae tasty dogs and I understand that it time is of the essence Scher lot of demand for a lot of great designs and we've been appeased in accommodated very well so I was more than happy with the designed that we got And that's that's what you need to be rock into each and every one of your ugly Christmas sweater parties evening or not this evening this year this year if the grounds crew member for sure so check that out I I would like to partake in that. We got one. I'd like to have an ugly Christmas sweater party myself. You should take you. Should that one. We're actually going to be having one here are you. Yeah maybe I'll come back for. I can extend the invite. Yeah that'd be cool. Yeah it's GonNa be fun. We're excited about it. Well I know anybody there. Her There's GonNa be some folks that you actually were playing softball with. Oh right so your teammate teammates of mine. Yeah Yep Love that eighteen guy. He's going to be huge team guy. Actually you know what I'm not When I was on the bench I said to Bryn that I feel like Barry Zito I I said I was like I want my team to lose because I'm not contributing to anything on the field? See this is. This is the raw honesty that I love to see you. This is what makes you. This is what makes you like sort of connectability. Sure with the fans. Well he he I I wasn't I wasn't having a good time when I was over four. I wasn't having a good time. I wanted our team to blow our nine run lead And what happened. The GATORADE GATORADE bucket didn't fall over as I was told. Yeah no it was You sat out for defense that inning. I came back into the dugout. Play every Eh and the gatorade bucket was gone. Yeah I mean if I'm thirsty everyone's thirsty But yeah I know I Barry Zito said that on this very podcast he said what was that the two thousand twelve world series. He said he was. He was rooting for the giants to lose. Because he wasn't wasn't he wasn't contributing to their efforts in their pursuit of winning the world series. Well when I was over four I wanted us to blow our lead because I was like. I'm not having fun on. I'm not contributing to all the good things happening on the field so I hope we lose and then I got a hit and I was like you know what I hope the team wins and we won and I got the game ball. Everything's everything is better. Yeah I gotta I gotTA WE GOTTA shift gears here. Okay I gotta ask you. I don't know if you saw any of the interaction that I had had with this individual. Look we all know what we're getting into right. We all know what we're talking about here. The Astros the Astros we understand. It's been hot. We understand I and we think we do understand. What don't we understand? I think that I don't want to say we've only scratched the surface purpose. I think we've probably were beyond the tip of the iceberg. But I don't think that we've seen the whole iceberg for sure. I think there's more to who it. I'M ALL NO I. One thousand percent agreed that there's more to it. Just like jared. Yeah there's more more to your beverage selections Oh Yeah just because it's wintertime doesn't mean you gotta go hot see. Here's the thing right it when people will judge me for drinking like a hot coffee in the summertime or if I get like an ice coffee in the wintertime it's like I don't let the weather outside addictive dictate the temperature. My beverages of tastes delicious. Then I'm just going to drink it. No you shake and you get your pitch. Yeah that's it so you can do that right now. Yeah like I have. I've done this. I told you right now brin you saw in the refrigerator when you walked in here that was in there truly truly she shaking her ahead. Mike you can't hear her Shaker head I bet you she they could hear her in the background. Now sit here that done Aw The fucking berry pack. I'm not a big push. The basic basic guy but Mazer bitch basic. Yeah pretty early talked talked about making the basic move early with with the pre fall pumpkin spice law tape. ESL with on the bottom and top. If you're a girl you'd be insufferable offer bill on instagram. Probably I would be like I'd be one of the I'd be the friend right now. Losing her shit about the idea of likes going away. Oh Yeah fucking kidding me. It's like I'm still implementing the duck base because I would still think my lips look good enough to just get away with that I am. What's the point like if I'm not showing if I'm not if you're not walking away from my instagram feed on aerial aerial again today? Yeah I'm not doing it right. That's how I feel about absolutely. I'm the girl that you would have to like. I'm the girl that you cannot date date and or Mary if we live in the same home town just because like you and your boys are going to be like Yo. You can't fuck then. I'm the girl that you have to like. I'm the the girl that you know. I get swept off my feet because I'm like I got the doublehanded twisty down pat blindfolded Danville. Yeah that's that's that's who I am. Yeah for sure or are we talking about will. We're talking about what those kind of girls like to drink. What what I like to drink? What do you like to drink? And it's the truly I feel like it's not really Like I feel like it's a beverage that we can all enjoy together it is. My grandma was hammering a mango one earlier. This evening I saw that ridiculous. She loves it she does. She requested that she actually may get on my scooter the other day. Drive down to the liquor stormy and requested by flavor the Black Cherry and the mango. She's a big mango Gal Schmidt. A funny joke earlier. She did make a fun job yes she does. Yeah you want to tell the people what you said She lives on Dallas premise. And she's like like I got to head home traffic. That's bad this time of night. She's I mean. She has to walk like across the driveway. It's twenty two feet story two feet for her front door to mine. Yeah she's terrific. This is the first time that we met it was yeah it was. It's a long time coming yes well. She's she's heard a lot about you guys She's very excited. I'm excited She was a little disappointed that it was not like a point where she could have cooked something or baked something. I mean there's still time on the clock. Yeah well you're not you haven't left yet. What I told her? Yeah and we'll be here all weekend so we had to reel her in a skit truly eh. Well it's it's five grams of sugar. No excuse me five percent alcohol by only one gram of sugar That was a big deal for. Her wasn't edited by the sweetness. I'm a fucking giant. Can I can I tell you about the Barry folks please. It's the Berry it's just go with the Berry. Pack there's a lot of other flavors tried them to their great. I would not sell you on something that I wouldn't drink myself that I'm not drinking myself. The best part about this shit it and we did this the other night. Me and my wife. We were on our way to Malibu going to Nobu for anniversary. Five years congrats by the way. That's right. Thank you and to make for making with Dallas. Yeah she she has made every bit of these five years. Yeah Yeah brought me along brave soul. She has brought me along. Let me tell you. Yeah so I had no problem loading up our travel bag with truly right. They sat that in our travel bag In the back of the vehicle that we were being driven around in Yep they were nice and cold after dinner as well on the way to our comedy show on the way to go. See my man Theo von just point pointing in that direction. So that's where we got it but you're getting a sweet look at my the red sox memorabilia over here yeah spirit socks. He's also some red sox memorabilia right above that. Aw Oh that's all fucking George is that his actual signature and that's George as well That one right there is in Stockton California. which if you If you tuned into the last was it last broadcast it was the last like last. PODCAST I did my essay on Stockton. Lots of great information. Just a Lotta great information. I believe George Herman Ruth. Before that picture was taken taken with those two small children they could be at the time drinking age. I believe they. All three shotguns release bay went up. Hit A homer out to right field. It was like only the second home run. Hit in right field at Billy Hiebert on a Tuesday day game after having shot under truly. Yeah Yeah Babe. Abrahams was fake. Like like that's ridiculous. He was like you now Chico. You're right he was an absolute fucking. He didn't actually play professional baseball. I don't think he played. They don't another little like he played in the bigger leagues This big leagues is bigger. Leagues no I think he was a mythical creation again. Donya challenge the guy the guy who introduced that theory. We haven't named his name yet. I don't think on this podcast. I think he's attainable. And I I think he's still active. I think he played last year We're GONNA get them. We're going to go over that theory Unicorn. Yeah I I. I saw some numbers floating around basing the start of one Berry Lamar bonds career and the start of one on mytalk might trouser as it sets right now yet might child might have the edge. That's fine through nine seasons but berry kind of better with age this is where bury starts to this is this is where you walk by and you you tap that barrel Arrow this were buried is that line starts to taste a lot. Sweeter as I'm saying it's like as Berry got older Check out to the got more focused he did. He started weights advertised. Yeah everyone gets wiser with age. It's right everyone gets wiser. With truly truly hyper focus. Yeah that's what it can do for you. My friend correct. That's why if you are looking for a way to put an exclamation point on your evening yet around in the cages like seventy share three truly. Truly truly the way to go at truly is the way to go. You know. It isn't truly the way to go cheating. Not good at all no I had a lot of. I had a lot of bad feelings about this and I I I still have a lot of bad feelings about this. Yeah because there's a lot of different ways we can go with this. There's a lot of different ways. I think the public can go with this. One thing I automatic let. Let's start here. Let me ask you this right there. With the P. E. D. cloud guys inherently. We have all of their production or a majority of their production called into question. Yeah were you that good. Were you Now I I hate to think that a lot of those guys are going to be. We asked or going to be looked at that same way going to have that question asked about them while bucking good. Were you if you knew what was coming because I'll tell you right now. There's not a baseball ballplayer on the planet. That'll be able to tell you or that would look you in the eye and tell you it. It doesn't make that big of difference to know what's coming right. That couldn't be farther from the fucking truth. That is why we put the fingers Dow. How is because if it didn't matter we wouldn't pay that much attention to it? Well when you're gearing up and try to be on time for ninety seven ninety the eight and then wiping you out at ninety one ninety two sliding away from you. Yeah if I tell you that you don't have to worry about that one or I told you that that one is coming. You're really excited. You like your chances right. You've got a game plan right now. That goes away. That crutch is gone and the question becomes to what extent were they utilizing leising it. To what extent was the team utilizing it is a one through twenty five Justin verlander knows about it as well like Kazak Greek he is he privy to it as well now like did he know about it before. This all came about like those are the questions that you start to ask and you start to wonder and when you go down the line that's where as an outsider. It becomes very difficult for us to go. Yes gurriel Marie L. was taking the signs when he was there. Yes each and every one bregman was getting the signs correa was getting the signs. MARICIC was getting. Do we know that each and every one of them like so. That's you know. When are we going like we have the at bats? We have the video proof right that would that would indicate indicate that there certain individuals but we don't have twenty five or we don't have fifteen separate videos showing each in every because now do the guys in AAA. Are they aware of this. To think about the guys that are on that shuttle right. I don't think so those position players that are up now so I thought about this. Remember that conversation that'll to they was having with Bregman after Bregman carried his bat. Yep To fuck into right field feel again was awesome. He he it almost now makes me feel like to was absolutely telling him. Hey look man you know if that's not not you. We understand that's not you. Let's do this a certain way but with the rumblings that were already going on that you were aware of that I were that I was aware of and the proof that was out like. Do you think there was like there was almost like A. Hey look man. Let's not do anything. John more attention to draw more attention to what we've got one Andrea because we have already we have already been. I don't WanNa say caught thought because talking about having a guys pitches is one thing right. And that's what Bregman was seen doing doing right. Hey He's tipped he's whatever when he's walking back from the dugout year back to the after scoring he stops till Korea right. Hey Hey he's so that's one thing it's a whole other thing to to have the fucking pitch. Mb and having it be communicated in real time time and now I started to think was that all a way of kind of showing the world. Hey we've got their pitches. This is why we're raking not because we've got a closed circuit feed from center field to our fucking dugout. That's not why and like is that part of it too like was that was that sort of the Trojan horse. You know what I mean like this. ooh Oh whoops yeah we actually. We've had it since twenty seven t right like thinking about all that. Do you think that the Astros still win in the world series in two thousand seventeen if they're not stealing the signs. So here's where the ball player in me tells the public. Do you have any idea how hard it is to bear air. What that ninety six miles so people were upset when I did this do you? Did you see the statistics that I tweeted. No honestly I've been been potty traded Jerry that's true sure so I looked up the numbers since twenty seventeen I wanted to see it. 'cause the people got upset splits. No no people were people got upset because they said that is trying to justify the astros cheating. Not what I was trying to do. I was just curious. They're cheating by getting the signs at home. How much is it actually helping them? And how many players. How many astros players do you think we're in the top? Fifty and slugging percentage in home slugging percentage since the start of the two thousand seventeen season. We're the top twenty top fifty top fifty. How many astros players in the top fifty homes slugging since two thousand seventeen homes lawyers? Twenty seventeen will craze Kinda Kinda out of that because he was hurt for a while I mean he would still qualify. Yeah maybe Gurriella in Bregman Fuck what about Gaddis. did he hit seventeen to three. There is too and they were like forty six and fiftieth so I mean but then everyone's will what would their numbers look like if they weren't cheating and I I agree with you but I was looking at you know two. So who were they who who Gurriel Gurriel And Bregman was fiftieth really. So it was like George Springer was like fifty six than Josh wreck was like fifty as there is a couple of guys that like right outside. Side the top fifty SORTA. We got video of Gurriel. Yup is he. He's a guy right. Here's Guy Bregman Guy Right guy so I mean I mean again this is where the wreck was a guy Yeah and this and this is. This isn't about secret. Was the Guy Springer was guy but well. Here's so here's the thing. Did they cheat. Yes does having the signs help yes but to what extent and and when I looked at those numbers and I sorted by home. slugging percentage since twenty seventeen hours expecting to see L. to Vais Bregman springer like I was expecting to see those names in like the top twenty five something to no one was in a tote. About what about the I. I think I saw this somewhere and I am. I mean I could be way off here the K.. To Walk Yeah that was home but it was that specified defied like at home was that Cato. So you gotTa See Dowling was agreed Gis and that's so think look dude as as as much emphasis is put on putting the ball over the fence putting the ball in the air. I like we saw tonight Bren. What happens when you involve the defense and you make the defense deepens play catch and you make the defense make throws you can see what can go wrong? I was there to really hit the ball. All over the place of how bad everyone else was. You were there so giving just forcing the opposition to not only make make those plays but make those pitches because look dude for Danny Farquhar. He could feel it he could hear it. You just know like Oh my God there when guys take pictures of Certain Way Holy Shit. He knew that was coming. That is a you feel naked. You feel naked because you have nothing out there and you know like he knows what's coming. What the fuck am I supposed to do right now? How how what am I supposed to do? I can hear it happening and I can't do anything about it right now. Like that is a hell of a spot to be in so now they have an audit like what is your approach at home. Easy Kirs Open. What's your approach? I just told you I know what's coming at home do. Yeah yes I know so now like do you go back and are going to go go through every at Bat. Yeah of every game at home from twenty seventeen on and listen and try to because somebody buddy out there has the ability. The technology exists. Do have the time. Are you willing to spin that manpower and if you are then you would probably have your answer but you would have to drown out a large portion of that ambient noise that other sound and really listen for those cues right and that is I think the only way you can really give yourself any sort of feel for who and how long this has been happening now. What about the buzzers? Yeah what the fuck. What did you see the red at post? Don't like somebody on unread knew about this summer. Oh Yes yes about this and it was in between Games two and three of the world series this year and they put it. There's like a very sarcastic post being like I had this dream that the astros had all the signs and they were relaying them to the hairs at the plate using these electronic transponders launders. But no one would do that. Ha it was just a dream and and then I think Joel. Sherman was the one that actually reported a- and then I'm reading it and like Jesus Christ like we are now at a point where we went from banging trash rash cans to whistling to now players wearing. BANDAIDS that buzz based on the like a number of times to relay certain pitcher at home plate. And it's like all right I. I'm not saying that it didn't happen. I think it probably did but I but my my first thought my first thought was that if the Astros are that advanced to where we saw the evolution of the trash can to the whistling to the BANDAIDS that vibrate. I'm kind of like what are other teams team's doing well. Why are we just looking at the Astros? Well I mean look. That's where all of this is going to go but what has to happen. I I think that Rob Rob Manfred set is like we're just looking at the Astros. This investigation begins and ends with the with the Astros Dude. First of all. You can't just like beat. Somebody in America committed murder tonight shared. Yeah are you okay with your door being knocked on tomorrow and you being invested because that happened. No that's not how this works. So the Astros cheated and they've been caught and they are the ones who are absolutely in the crosshairs share so like like the dodgers the real the dodgers in what are the raves. Do why are we picking on the royals. Can't we leave the phillies alone. For fucks Sake. The pirates have been through enough. But we're bringing all of these like why I'm not saying for no reason. I'm not saying like knock on Ram door but I think that this mlb investigation what is your what is your baseline though. What what? What allows this jared to go knock on the door of so? That's what I'm saying is like this investigation is going to be an already has been very thorough. And if you're the astros you're probably feeling how I'm sort of reacting here like really. You're just coming after us because I heard this about them. I learned this from that guy. So he's over here now. I think the answer would be okay. People are going to start writing each other out and and I don't WanNa say fine but if that's how it's going to go down that's how it's going go down but again I would implore anybody who feels that way to do their due diligence as I have recommended and go back doc in watch who like who do you hate. Who Do you wait because I'll get to this asshole in a minute? I don't want to say his name. But this clown shoe faulk on the Internet asked or not asked actually had the audacity to call the Oakland A.'s. cheaters because the drum because the the area well he is a thousand percent serious year. And that's the problem is after he got like like I believe he was serious and was like you know throwing shit at the wall to see what would stick like. Oh yeah the drums like you to tell me that. That's just drumming and I. I believe he's not that stupid. I WANNA believe believe. He's not that stupid. Because if you just say it all out loud you mean to tell me that the players in the dugout and the players that are actually at Bat Bat. Now have the ability to decipher witch drum. Like which strike the drum. Because it's not a beat guys. If it's a beat that it is consistent with beach change so do pitches like just stop I. I really can't even met that guy as he just shows up like he doesn't he was up there when we did the The Pie in the face video who the The Drum Guy. Oh well there's there's a whole section. There's there's multiple drummers. Yeah Oh yeah yeah I mean it's it's like you actually think that that's happening. You think that that's possible like the players are listening and able to pick out. That's my that was the that was. What a fucking F flat? I don't even know what you call it. Your comes at slider. Why no I during an immediate in that like it? I can't imagine that he was serious and if he was no one else on planet earth was like The skies making a good point. You might want to look into those as drumbeats up there i. I don't think thousand happening even if that one guy was actually serious and that's why I so. I tweeted that was like we really going to be doing this all off season looking at video and looking at whatever like going back and just randomly accusing people which which is How why tweeted that was because some like hubs blogger was tweeting out pictures and videos of Christian Yelich college looking a little bit to the right like now we're going to look at like hitters? You're not looking directly at the pitcher like all right now. We've gotten to a point where the kid the tin foil hats stuff like. We need to. We need to pump the brakes on the Astros. There's very clear evidence with the the trash can banging in the whistling and now the transponders joked up right now about jelly. Potentially yeah putting I mean. Look I'm with you. That should needs needs to like. I said if that's what happens fine because I feel like the quote unquote which hunt mindset is really. What's going it's never gonNA stop? It's it's not gonNA stop because all these fucking people on the Internet that are getting like thirty thousand retweets on their videos and everyone's like oh like what can I dig up to to get in on the action but again why are we talking about right now because it's true some of it's true and so it's brought it to light and like again like we can make fun of it or talk shit about it all. We want. The only way that happens is if those videos are produced if people take the time to do that stuff because we can say it all we want which is what has happened and what has been gone on on what has gone on in the game is. There's been talk about it. There's been rumors. There's been rumblings as we've all mentioned and now it's finally been brought to the surface and there's no denying it and now it's just a matter of how deep and that's and again the reason that they're hyper focused on the astros right now is because you have to establish a precedent right we have to establish a baseline for this so from here. This is why I sent this tweet out the other day or it might have been today. Fuck I don't know rob Manfred while this is not an might not be or the defining fighting moment. Yeah people watching Major League. Baseball is watching. Everybody who loves or is even kind of heard about baseball knows that there's a huge huge cheating scandal going on to the game right now. What you do moving forward or what you do now sets the tone moving forward so if you and I asked this question we got a guy who made a pretty big mark in this game jeered? Yep Sitting at home not allowed into cooperstown because he bet to win baseball games bet on his own team to win. Baseball Games says a very clearly. You cannot bet on this game for one reason. The integrity of the competition wins and losses matter and and if that is fixed and taken away the game is gone. He pays that price every day. And you you can talk about vices and your life might have been impact because of gambling. What that's fine but I asked the question? What about what he did is so bad or worse now? Compared to guys actively deceiving cheating betting on another team to lose you can say they're betting on themselves is to win but the really betting on the other team to lose. Why because they know what you're doing they can see your cards so they've sat down a whole table knowing knowing your whole cards cards and knowing what that flop is going to look like you want you want to walk up to the table and sit down with your chip stack? No fucking thank you. And that's what they've been doing. So what do you think is everyone keeps asking. What do you think the penalty is going to be a wife? It's easy it's eas- those are two very different things. We'll let what's going to happen happened what's going to happen is there's going to be a a draft pick fine. There's what we're multiple fines. Multiple traffic fines rational slot mass nice. That's where you hit him where it hurts national spending because that's been a vehicle to move around to move resources not only the money that you you can spend on actual talent versus. It's now a tradable commodity athlete. So now it's something that guy's earning teams who might not have a stronghold on hold in some of these international footholds. They might not be so present. They're okay with relinquishing that control relinquishing that. Because maybe that money was going to go uh-huh somewhere or wasn't going to make the impact because they're like you know what we just don't we're not sold on Venezuela right now we're not sold all like we've got some go on the street in Japan but we're not whatever it may be who knows some teams operate that way where there's just not the emphasis in you're thinking. Well that's cash. Who would not give a shit about cash for the same reason that people just didn't scout internationally for long time for the same reasons people like nope? You're you're darker than I am you. You can't play with us. I mean those are all reasons so now hit him with the fine and like what's a fine that's going befell by an organization who's been to the postseason as recently as they have. What three hundred? That's four UM sixteen. Now yes sixteen seventeen were were they in their in fifteen they get knocked out by the royals and fifteen wildcard game. Maybe eighteen sixteen seventeen eighteen. No that was the that was but my point is the team is not hurting for cash. At this point in time and what kind of penalty they play the Yankees in the wildcard game in fourteen. To what kind of penalty. I can't remember I mean I think like I if that's where you hit him is obviously the draft picks the international signing money You know you could make it so that they can't sign a player internationally that you can just freeze it. You can't trade it. You can't spend it like that would fucking hurt. We'll daughter louder year. That's all about the precedence. That's why I'm saying like so. What what that's what we're watching and this is this is going to be because ultimately you have a decision you can like limit their slot money to like all right so you can look and draft whoever you want you can only spend this much in the draft so allocated however the fuck you want but you know what you're creating you're almost kind of you're creating the loophole if the punishment isn't severe enough you're almost paving the way on how to do this So like if like What's what's what's the show the documentary? What about the little kids with little kids about juice to follow? Yeah you're right shit Who is that? Oh God that's going to bother me. Yeah I think it's just one word right. Yeah I think so. I don't know after get now but but it's it's almost like think yes gonNA bother me. I don't even want to. I don't even want to continue. I need to know that Buchan name. There's a sea. Maybe maybe they see. Are you looking at upper end. You know look at my net flex because it would be my shit. I'm not signing is not juiced Nath not. Yeah A screwball. Now all right what were you saying was We're just talking about how the loophole all right. So so it's essentially paving the way so I can screw all where they're telling you about winner take the Gumy's how to be able to circumnavigate. Look right it was all about not paying guy. Yeah Guy didn't get paid. That's so the testing that was then that was that was put in place. Prior to all of that happening it worked to an extent guys. Were afraid of it to an extent and I've already explained very thoroughly on this podcast. The business decision that goes into the shit. Yeah so what. Punishment gets levied is essentially going to show teams or show. Yes Sean Organizations Stations. All right this is what you've got to be willing to wear. This is how hard the heater is so Dorin. So then Howard up there and lean into one loophole proof. I mean like I said Dude Pete. Rose's sitting at home right now and find the equivalent to that for or an organization like I. I don't know like you're not allowed to you. Don't get to go to the world series. I don't know I don't know I have no idea that. That's why like like like all the people that are like. Oh you need to vacate the world series happening yet. You can't take that parade away can't take the rings away the memories away All that beer and champagne. It's already been drank. It's it's in. The book is taking an hour of the records. Whatever we already celebrated them because you because because now you're getting into the weeds and you're taking away guys performances? We can just start here right. You're if you're in the camp that says everything they did at home has an asterix fine. You're taking away everything they did on the road. You're taking away everything that those pitchers did as well Because the pictures were getting buzzed to let them know what pitch the hitter. Who was sitting on at home? That's not a thing okay. They're just way better than a lot of the people that they faced. That's how that happened. So now you're you're going to bang the effort from colour going to bang the effort from Orlando and all those other guys like you know what I mean. It's not just those dudes you have to believe that they knew though so. That's where we go back to. My original point is the report was like the they were. They were trusted guys. Wasn't everyone that that knew about it and that was doing it. It was is like. I'm assuming the the guys that we're going to be around for a while and so let's talk about. I want to. I also WANNA talk about the video that is in the Astros World World Series video the video clip off the still image of the laptop in the setup in the tunnel Ruben to not be a laptop it was proven to not be S. in the photo because there's another photo of a laptop up on the table like so monitor or yes the. Yeah the big yeah. Yeah so and the towels towels hanging image of just one towel hanging over The seeds from the guy sitting there You know so. So in the tunnel or in the video rooms that are located down there what they have our yes access to video that has been recorded live that they can feed back. They have an eight second delay that we talked about from the game out out there. They have a warm live human body in there that works for Major League Baseball sitting right next to the video coordinator for for that team. So that if there were anything like that to be going awry there would be. There would be somebody noticing. What's going on? So there's a separate video room right that's up in the clubhouse. That's where that video can be seen like like the Oakland A.'s. That video is up in the plus. You got to walk upstairs. You gotta go through tunnel walk upstairs into clubhouse to go look at bat to go look at the swings the guys were taken. Can you their first at bat that has to happen. That station is not that. And that's where the closed I circuit. Television feed is coming into play. That's what guys need to understand. So when you're talking about just going into the tunnel or you hear team say go into the tunnel that's right. There's a lot of different setups right. And so who knows that very well could have been if that's a laptop setup or if that's what their defense but that's a monitor senator jared. That's a television right okay. So and there were cable wires right seen so if there's a laptop setup near that television and now your defense might be able to be. I actually have the program that we're running upstairs. hardwired here I'm using this monitor. Because it's bigger because the travel up up to the clubhouse from the field level is such that it's an inconvenience and this makes it more accommodating for the players to be able to come from the field right back here take a look at what just happened right. My Moore sexually said that. Yeah so so. That's the case for place like in Oakland. That would be fantastic. Because there's a place right as you go through the tunnel it's I don't WanNa call it a blind spot because if you're a fan of the diamond level you can walk right there right. You've been. Yeah so there is no space for the Oakland A.'s to have that and kind of by the way of replay you gotTa have the same accommodations. You've gotTa have the home team visited. We gotta be operating the Red Sox and you're in Oakland. You have to walk down a hallway like behind the section that people from home player sitting in and then you can go like opposite. Assays down another hallway but even that hallway like if if you have tickets to the diamond level you can still just be walking by the players. Yes so like. There's no need for you to have like the privacy of like. Hey Hey this is what. I'm looking at zero privacy. Yeah like there's there's there's fucking tape. I can't on the ground to separately here. Here's here's the side of the players. Walk on here's a side that the fans walk on going to their seats by like oh I had a blow up one time. Jeered where you saw the trash can where that's located located turning right as you turn. The corner turned the corner and kicked the ball out of the trash can shit everywhere all over two ladies eighties. who were standing there waiting for their food right like what like? I didn't even see them. I see them after. The fact sheet is like flying through there and I'm like they're wearing it right. Yeah so I mean like in ballparks like that it makes sense to have like a little bit of a shortcut. So that's that's see that's why it does this. Yes so he's right that exist whether or not that was that setup there. Yeah don't know he's been there though there. Yeah he would. Yeah no yeah. That's why because like you know I. I like the fact that there are these people that are on the Internet just to look at hours of footage and be like maybe it's this maybe it's When you start talking about like doug or like dug a tunnel like monitors and shit? You know know anything about that. Like unless you've been there and like I'm not gonNA pull the. I've been in some big league club houses in my day. I even. I didn't really speak on and I was like I've never been in the tunnel. They're like I can't tell you if that's been there during games I have no fucking clue. I've been in a lot of major league. Dugouts like I've been in the tunnels I know that you know in some in some tunnels and Major League ballparks. That's not there like it's not there at Miller Park and one of the things that we have to discuss in separate is this is very very different than picking signs from the Dugout relaying that to your team mates in the dugout guys going out to second base and being able to pick the signs from the catcher. That is the art of science stealing that you hear a lot of the old school guys talk about that. You hear guys mention. When they're separating the the difference between utilizing technology in real time and relaying that prior to a pitch and directly affecting the outcome some of the game big difference in that and utilizing your feel? That's like a linebacker. Ker Not reacting to a play action pass knowing that that ball is not being handed off you you want him to still fill the gap and not drop back into coverage. Why I honestly think that more is going to be kind from this? Yeah Buddy And I think you know how you're going to have like I said before a situation. Where are you know 'cause I the the investigation goes beyond talking to coaches talking to players talking to front office members? They're talking to everybody. Anybody who knows anybody who might know something. And they're talking to him and I feel like these lower level people They're GONNA WANNA they're gonNA WANNA sing. They're the people that aren't getting paid off the people that might have been scorned. Like didn't the Astros fire a shit. China Scouts Mr Todman not. He's not a scout but yeah no I mean yeah. They fired their assistant general manager. I mean like what when he talks. We'll we'll take what he say. Also thankful for the opportunity so I mean if he's looking for another job of the Major League club you don't WanNa be the guy that's like. Yeah no I'm GonNa tell all your secrets the second fucking check out of here. You don't want that as your reputation but these scouts that make Jack. Shit that may fit it feel slighted by the organization that may know more than than than than what's out there because the scouts were the ones that were all takes us for that one due to be that pissed off off. Yeah just just let me that pissed off and let them have I that backup. Planner that alternative. Or maybe. He's an older guy who's like you know. What I I do this because I love it? But you're gonNA send me out with the trash like this and I know this about you like you're not about to pull the wool because maybe that guy has some friends in the game that he appeals have now been affected by what they've done and he's like now on my way on my way out on my way to my fucking heart in Mexico. Oh on the beach fuck you. Did you see who the guy was that. That's the Rosenthal reported the email that he sent out was to scouts and everything. Yeah Oh oh did I do what do you mean. Did I see who the individual was. No Kevin Goldstein. So he was a writer for Baseball Prospectus. I was shocked when it was him. Like I thought it was going to be like some no name. Whatever like Kevin He was like a very well respected writer and he was one of of those guys like Dave Cameron from fan graphs got hired by the padres and then but that but that was after Goldstein had been hired. I didn't know if he was directly the harbor. The Astros first but it was one of those. I like Oh here's new can be so good at writing. That teams noticed that and they want to hire you. That's awesome. That was the first one that I noticed. And then he's like instead of using his brain because obviously if you're if you're writing for baseball prospectus you know baseball in and out and like that takes takes like diligence like it's not just watching MLB network ESPN and disconcerting all this like if you're talking about like amateur talent you have to know your shit. We're following those guys run. Yes like you're you have a scout level brain and then to Kinda WanNa take a shortcut you got hired because you're like you're the you're the amateur talent guy. You're you're the prospect guy and then instead it's like. Hey Hey scouts assemble. Let's find a way to cheat the system so you like if I'm being honest that's like A. That's a lack of feel that that's the difference between having this great idea and it's going to work in its numbers in like this is going to be this data gathering ordering this is how we're going to do it and applying that to a world that you might understand but haven't been quote unquote apart of as much as you might not want to hear that yet. That's the athlete telling you you just haven't been there Roy. Feel that so I just talked about the art of Stein stealing the respect. That guys that have that capability that they have throughout the game. That street cred right. That's like valor almost soon. And you are now trying to just circumnavigate years of experience years of of knowledge and just basically asking these guys who have a job because they've been able to do those things to just break out there fucking iphone. Yeah Hey can you dislike. We'll get you great seats. Can you just kind of locked in on the third base coach. Can you just lock in on the The catcher we're going to get your seat that'll give you a clear. Shot of the SCI. He's putting down just record that okay and the scouts are looking at each other going. Will we know why you're doing this because we have a feel for the game you want the signs. We know why you want the science. You don't have to tell us why you want the science. We know why I have a question. Did the Astros Astros really think they were GonNa get away with this. Yes way too. Many people were involved to get away with this. And they know that it especially when you're telling the players and you're telling coaches that are going to change organizations and the players they might get traded them. I get released. They might whatever Way Way Way and then it's not like it's you know when they talk about The the moon landing if they faked it and like hundreds of thousands of people would have had to learn it. I think it's fake to all these conspiracies where it's like way way way too. Many people would have to a keep quiet for fifty to seventy five years in order to pull this off and the Astros get caught in two years. And it's because there's coaches their scouts kouts there's executives there's players they all knew about it and people get they they change organizations so I genuinely think the astros rose had to know. Eventually they'll get caught. There's no fucking way they'd be able to bury this forever. But I think they I thought they could pull off a dynasty and then after it's like yeah you're just jealous because we have the same thing with the Patriots Patriots poff dynasty and then people come after for them for deflate gate and all this other shit. It's like well you're just jealous. Like oh you guys cheated. Yeah you're just jealous because we went all the time we have six super bowls. I gender the hoodie recording according practices and Shit. Tom's letting the air out of footballs. I mean there's a lot of question marks still can't to win a fucking superbowl because of pounds of pressure in football. Oh Jesus Christ But the astros they went in seventeen in eighteen the second that the red SOx beat the Yankees and the division series series. The Astros are like fuck because Alex Cora goes from the Astros to the red sox two thousand seventeen to two thousand eighteen if they draw the Yankees and the Ale CS. They're up to their old tricks but a privileged information i. I've never asked Alex about this. But like they. They had to know like if Alex knew what they were doing. In two thousand seventeen he goes to the red sox in two thousand eighteen. And it's like hey I know what you guys do do not fucking even attempt hemp that on me and that was the worst possible matchup for the Astros was having the red sox. Lcs because they can't cheat so then the Red Sox Fox does them in two thousand eighteen and then twenty nineteen they get the Yankees again and they beat them. I mean they they they easily handle the re years straight could have gone to the world series going through the Yankees in the AL CS. And you take your chances in the world series. They went world series in in two thousand seventeen they they would get the They would get the dodgers again eighteen. They probably beat them again in eighteen. Now they're back to back champs and then you know what the fuck happens in twenty and nineteen where they lose every every home game like that seems pretty. I was the first time baseball history right. Yes best seven where no whole team won a game that you you you run that world series back ten ten more times at the Astros probably win that world series six of those times maybe seven and yeah. That's why I I think that they they knew what they were doing. They were just like hey look at what the Patriots did if they can just make you do what we can do. I mean like you know the people will accuse us of cheating. They'll never be able to prove it but we'll have a dynasty. We'll have three world series. Whatever it'll be worth it because flags fly forever? They're not going to vacate the title. They might come down on us for for cheating. They might suspend some players. They might do this. They might do that. But guess what we're GONNA have three straight world series titles and is that the price that you would want to pay to win three straight world series titles well as a player the one question you ask and net. You're forced to ask yourself is if you're one of those guys are you okay with it and that's really the only answer that you have to. Wildfires wasn't okay okay with it. Felt like he was okay. He was okay with it when they won in two thousand seventeen but he wasn't when they didn't fuck an offer them enough money and for agency wasn't okay with he's not giving his ring back now. Nobody is so and they're look. Who knows how who knows how that's going to be received like once everybody's he's seeing each other on a daily basis right senior opponents on a daily basis like Oh man you sold us out did I? Did I or was I just just not GonNa let you kind of Wax Mike like that like you know because all's fair level war I know it's you you you want me to not tell tell these guys is that. What is that what you're asking me to do right now? If you're GONNA do it like that's like I've just. I'm not speaking for Mike Fires. I'm just thinking if I'm him I'm thinking to myself kind of along the same vein of Alex Cora don't even think about pool nut shit with me I know what the folks up right. So Mike Myers might not have that kind of pull or might not be that guy to the Astros clubhouse where they're like Yo. We're not GONNA do this with Mikey right. We're GONNA do this. You know whatever we're going to do this to this club we'll do because Mikey's guy like don't know if that relationship was was that way. Apparently not so he's thinking well I'm not gonNA know I'm on a club that is chasing this team down. I I need these WS. We need these WS. I cannot let that ride though. He's under contract track for twenty twenty with the Oakland A.'s and I would it surprise you at all if he ended up being blackballed like put yourself self in that position. Like if you if say you're on the Astros you've been on the Astros since two thousand sixteen I'm GonNa sit in their sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen. He's he's not he he would not be blackballed so yes it was surprise me if he was blackballed. But like wouldn't you be a guy that it'd be like I don't know if I want that a guy in my clubhouse because there's just you know what man there's there's there's emails doing shady shit right and there and so that's why it looked. There could be a lot a lot to be said about what's going on that you don't know about even if you're not doing like the cameras shit or the earpiece shit or whatever like he's going to get some of that from now all boys club out whatever clubhouse he ends up in people are going to like even if they don't mean it they're gonNA buses bothers me like be careful. Don't don't don't do any of that with with Mike. Fires ours is around the that you WANNA do that. Well the Andy Rach out you will the easy response would be good or are you not that good of you scared right. Were you scared about your lucky. I'm on this team Because you don't want me on that mound. You need fucking help don't you. You need the answers to the test. Oh you didn't you. Were complaining when that fucking offense was coming up you know. What do you want me to do? You want me to stand in the middle of the button clubhouse as the guy who's been here for ten minutes ago I do not want all of you who are making millions of dollars in her contract way more so than I am and belong here or or a part of here. He's not going to get the reception that you think he's GonNa get last not going to happen happen. People are going to look at them and go. Maybe you just need to sit in the clubhouse when x Y and Z are up right. Maybe you don't come down to the dugout like he doesn't to get that reception so you you you know what I mean you can want him to White Knight all you want for the greater good of the game in a club. That ain't going to happen. They do the U.. Regrets putting a name to it no I mean. He don't feel like it's he's doing all right. You know what I mean. He's doing all right and I and I think I think there's something to that and I'm not you know not speaking for him when I say this but like Yeoman I've might fires if you look I would love to get him on the podcast because this is a dude who has like his road to the big leagues like to college to the Big League is is not an easy one not an easy one atol. You're talking about a right hand right now. who like with both nuts and ask cheats behind it will get you ninety three ninety four? You know nothing special in today's game he's got to work now he's GonNa work. Yeah dirty split Cuervo. Very good out. The slid row as well. We'll cut piece every now and then start to pitch a little bit Latter part of his career. But this guy who's grinded so does afraid or worried that he put his name on it. Does he regret it. No I wouldn't think I wouldn't think so interesting. Well we'll see this this penalty. This decision that rob Manfred has to make will define his legacy. Yes or no No just because of the potential work stoppage. We've got coming up too but I mean like that's it that's it these like honestly like the cheating. That's great what we're going to when I say figure read out I mean we're GONNA come to a resolution we're not gonNA. We're not going to not have an answer that's going to happen. We'll have an answer the idea of that defining him know how how he navigates the CBA that will define him this right now. We'll give you a good look as to how that the games I feel like if there's no work stoppage than ever won't be like. Oh well I mean if there's if there's no catastrophe yeah no it was so I guess I'll let me rephrase. It has the potential to be. I don't think this has the potential to be eight or the defining moment. I'm it for him because of the work stoppage so it's almost like however the CBA devotions go however that goes that could very will dictate whether or not this is a defining moment because if things go smoothly and we don't have to worry about not showing up in the summertime will now this is exactly right. Yeah what this this will be. This will be his berry bonds Just like Bud Selig had hit like this will be his. This is my fingerprint on the game. This is my juiced ball era. Bud Selig wanted the homerun king out of the game doesn't want him in Cooperstown. Roger Clemens Saint like but feels pretty good about that and Manfred would feel pretty good. All things considered we're still playing baseball after the CBA. If everybody was okay with how this shit got handled talking about black ball and a guy from major league baseball fucking Barry got railroaded into thousand seven tough one go look at Barry Bonds numbers in two thousand seven. You don't want him as a forty. What one forty two year old man I think he had like a ten forty one opie s and then every team was just like Nah Pass? I think we're going to I think we're going to seek can alternate route. Nothing up there fucking Joe an absolute joke. I really have to anytime. It really think about Berry in in his final season and how badly he got railroaded. I need to check out some. CBD products a need to off half to slow that heartache down. It's painful it is painful and you know what's going to be painful when I wake up tomorrow morrow in in my entire abdomen and my lattes are just GonNa be barking at me because I haven't used those muscles and probably nine months wants maybe more. You didn't really use many of them tonight. Either that's fair well. You don't have to get a hit. In order to activate muscles attempting attempting to get the hits does just as much of a damage. I mean takes a toll on your body can can. I just get two minutes of appreciating the fine effort you saw out to be on the on the softball field. 'cause I can feel you only talk about what's that you almost killed a guy that wasn't the only outstanding play I made a few other uh-huh phenomenal plays forget. It's pretty good but you did. Almost Kelly Guy said all you at homer I did. Did it really allowed so many of those so can keep those. I don't know why they made that rule in that league. I feel like you're the only one that was physically capable the video like in the the Barstool Softball League that we played in thousand. I think there was a cap. On how many homers what do you did you. Would you play at down by the water. Is it that field that I just owned. Yeah Oh my God yes play softball there. Yeah it would be. I wouldn't be able to play their game would be like. How many balls do they bring to the field? Like three after my third about we'd have to go home you can't you can't can't hit I think there was definitely like a cap on homer's yeah there'd be out well if you're allowed to hit at least three. We go home after my third bet. Oh there is one field where it was like the two hundred feet to left in like six hundred feet to right and vice versa. Yeah the one that you pitch today that that was the one that it was like two hundred defeat to right right because he's right handed and needed it all. Yeah all in his favor. Yeah you did every throwing buckets second base. Yeah it just didn't work out from that day not so far away. When that video finally came out I got torched for not catching any pitches that you're throwing? They went out and bought a brand ran new catcher's Mitt right here go catch a fucking former big leaguer. I can't I can't squeeze this thing brand. New like is not broken in straight straight off the rack the best I was just totally took away from the everyone's like I'm not even looking at Dave not looking at Dallas. I'm just looking at like whoever's behind the plate in the catcher's gear. Yeah the can't catch a fucking straight fastball. The best part is like at times you were being asked to squat down even farther so saw who was umpiring. Yeah could just just imagine you standing in line at the grocery store and like that's how you would be umpiring a baseball game or an at bat. That's what's always doing. Stand in there. He had gear on He's fully loaded. Had Your fucking hilarious. And they bought me all the catcher's gear. They're just like expensive top of the line catcher's gear except for a cup size catching you in full catcher's gear with like a t shirt. Shove down my pants I told you all's you have all's you're gonNA have to do is just either catch the ball or knocked the ball down. Because he's not going to touch the ball couldn't do either yeah. There was a struggle. There couldn't do either. Did you get some CD MD.. And you yeah I did. I did after that and I will need to do so tomorrow cream. Well here's the thing is you don't need to be a professional athlete. True to need top of the line support for your muscles and joints good thing. I kind of am a professional athlete. You played with one today. Yeah most of the time that I do athletic things there with professional athletes. biproduct what you do. Yeah like I might not be a professional athlete by definition when I do athletic things. They're usually with professional athletes. Not a lot of people can say right. That is a hell of a station. Yeah it's like a like. Are you athletic man. You know someone say Do you play directly. No will what do you do well when I play softball. I played with the big lear when I have live at bats. Pitch too big too big. 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He is is sworn in his honeymoon to it is for J. Geraldo Pora. Why do you think would you sign in Japan bus early early buddy? Well first of all the money's good they play games. le-let's games and for come on if this I was the Yomiuri giants which mat-su made famous. Yes correct. Yeah Yeah. These are great times. If you're depar- think about the wave he is writing right. Now is a world series. You're the baby shark guy. And then but like why like. He must've wanted to play in Japan. And that's to sign that deal in November says to me like I want to play in Japan because you you don't know what was the market light for par- I don't know I feel it coming off a world series title. He at least could have gotten. If you can't get a major league deal will you could have gotten a minor league deal but to sign. I mean like your market. Your market is months away from developing. WHO's to say? Hey with WHO's to say with what he has the ability to do with that baby shark wave following him now all of their Japan Japan Japan. Oh buddy come on. That is something that and that is very real like. And I'm not saying like is he gonNA get like two million dollar endorsement over there. I don't know maybe I don't know maybe Chakai Japan he goes over there and lights. It up yeah he can be a coal fucking hero could be absolute hero thing about about William Opinion. Oh God that dude. He's he's Godzilla due date paying for a single Pizza Buchan Sushi or single Bola Rahman in Korea anywhere that was crew. Come on Willie Mo Pena so maybe not Sushi. He's probably probably favorite Sushi Korean barbecue though. Dave that manny had that in his contract. Yes I didn't know that. Yeah yes was like free Sushi. Yes contract in Taiwan so I so Gary Malik The gentlemen from Birdman Bat Company. Yep is actually like bro Gary. Gary spent time with him abroad yeah and like actually they. They've got a video of him talking to manny about hitting like facetime ing like going to make this adjustment many. I feel like you've been doing this. You know many went up his next at bat hit a homer flew him out there and kept him with him the whole time. He was like playable. It is we like. I've heard that from people where manny will. I mean like Manny Ramirez Ramirez is one of the greatest right handed hitters. Who ever lived? But he'll ask hitting advice from people who are just so not say. This person is beneath them by like so beneath him. But but it's it's it's it's a different set of eyes and it's something so simple to manny in. It's something so simple to this guy because it's it's not convoluted located with all of these mechanical issues. Like he doesn't know he doesn't know what to tell all manner he can just tell you. Look a little weird like your elbows doing this. Yeah and mad. He's like wine. Okay so why is it doing that well during my load. I know that my hands are usually here. That makes makes makes sense my elbows usually here when Oh fuck okay. And it's all because that guy just told them your elbow looks funny. I don't know something on your job out there. Okay okay let me just go fucking rate. Now thanks fixed my elbow car like we know a guy who made a minute. MVP quality. Just the I'm GonNa go to the kitchen and just stand up. A little taller alert today will do that. Oh what still works Gore. I'm GONNA just I don't know I'm going to have a close stance from now on just looks funny houses. We'll just look this look. Good looks good. That should play. Yeah we'll take it out to the wack what played. I'm just going to go with this. funky ASS closed. Dance fifty nine homers later. Sometimes Shit happens she works. Maybe it doesn't know anybody's name by the way he calls everybody. Poppy we think poppy. It's okay it works with these puppy. Oh Aw correal New Deal it was. It was last year petition now. One year eight point three million sounds like a second year of Arb- to me. Yeah look we understand. How important grill has been to this? This lineup yeah. He was the guy that we pinpointed during this off season regardless of knowing what pitches were coming or not Somebody that one of the best bad ball hitters in the game. I mean I think think about Rafael Palmeiro. I think about five Guerrero yet. I was Rafael. Palmeiro going front foot hitter like not so much maybe a bad ball hitter but a good for you know. Here's a good front foot hitter Yet just guys that like for whatever I don't know if it's an unconventional approach just it doesn't look like the way a you would teach somebody to do it but it's fun to watch. I like watching him hit because for me it's action like I know I can't put them inside. He's he's is one of the best hitters that I've seen at polling his hands in an still barreling up a ball on something that's way in like like contorts his but it doesn't look pretty plays great in Houston. Yeah because you got the Crawford boxes all right there you can kind of bunt one over the fence in in Houston and but he is become a master at if you pitch him anywhere if you're trying to bury it in on the hands he pulls his hands inside and he can barrel up a ball and he twists around like crazy like it doesn't look technically sound. Now that I'm thinking about it now that like I I I will. When we are done I will go back and I'm going to look at bats of Grill on the road not because of any pitch tipping or anything like that whereas yet in the box six? Yeah because if he somebody who knows what's coming again at home the approach be such where I'm going to force you due to try to throw it in here for a strike because I know what's coming and if I get that whether it's a way or not because I'm sitting sitting on that spinner where I'm out in the box I've turned that slider away into slider middle middle and I can handle that and I can do. What your tug that right down? I can also have the best data if I'm good at pulling my hands in. I can let you try to get to that heater in because I'm crowding the plate. Go ahead throw that heater in. Because I'm geared up for what I'm geared up. I know it's coming. They're fucking know it's coming. You know who else is great at that. Who Manny he was good he is very good at that inside out? Man I I I've said before manning was a dude who you could feel. You can feel him in the batter's box he would just throw the barrel at the ball like like regardless of where you tried to pick him one of the best average Eddie you still there when he was in Oakland for that hot second and he was my teammate. Demint do a podcast with a former teammate of manual. Ramirez my my hitting in SPR- inspiration will Smith Big Willie style. Yes what three for forty something like that. Uh Uh Huh. It's not even on the even on the docket the docket. Yeah but a I love that I I love that I love this immediately. Makes Drew Pomeranz the best reliever on the market dude. I mean he deserves that distinction. The effort was there. Yeah the numbers. Are there sure. And if this is about him not will smith the drew pomeranz now being able to operate comfortably in this role the braves have already signed like three relievers. Chris Martin they've already got three. Mock him up to your deal Thanksgiving yet. They're stuffing that Bird Aka that bullpen. I did not expect to see the Will Smith Domino fall this early I did I did expect him to be the first to go. I mean if you don't want to Count Chapman Count You. I don't think anyone really thought Chapman was going anywhere. No Even if you know what the opt-out Yeah no will Smith and the braves Atlanta was super aggressive at the trade deadline. They go out and get Shane Green. They get Mark Melanson It didn't work out from the POSTSEASON But I think that this is is a good sign of your braves fan to be like Hey that's back to back years twenty eighteen. They were early twenty nineteen they they were on time and the result was the same and it was very disappointing. They need to get over the Hump Yup in two thousand twenty. That's a team that needs to be in the twenty twenty twenty because you don't WanNa see them kicking around towards the back end of either those Kunar always contracts going did we miss. Our window is having their conversation at that point. The answer is yeah. You missed that window that window was there and now it's not because you have two of the game's premier talents for a decade. Yeah Herodotus rbis for under is this correct under two hundred million dollars yes that is staggering. Like it's it's like A hundred and I'm fifty. Maybe like with the albion deal being what it was in a KUNA zeal. Yeah I mean like they're basically each of them are being paid a third of what they're actually worth maybe a fourth. Yeah it's a lot. Yeah so that's kind of what we're looking at with The Atlanta braves need to be in the next year Do you I guess we can kind of get into it. Once we roll into December in terms of Do we think that the braves are done no. I don't think think the braves are done. I think that they just got a nice little head. Start on what they were trying to accomplish this off season so we'll see where they go But I love the move. Love the move for them. Is this a sign. That guys are starting to receive. I guess I don't know if respectable offers. Yeah is the way to way to phrase it. Is this a sign that The whole market correction that we've experienced is starting to like rear respectable offer for sure instead of Dick and guys around early s and guys are getting paid. What they're worth and I think kinda started with Chapman you know I didn't have to pay him that third year? They didn't have to pay him what they're the the rate that he's going to get in that third year right You know teams are starting to be like. Hey we're not. We're not going to spend on players in their mid thirties anymore. We're not going to be dishing out these these big dollars for for You know ah I guess when you look at the reliever market its fickle. relievers are going to come and they're going to go and the and the dominant I mean. Look at Craig Kimbrell. Do you think the fucking cubs are regretting. That deal you bet your ass. They are but they're like fireflies. You gotta you gotTa catch him and you hope you're catching them while they're still burning while yeah still lighting up the sky because if not you got deadweight at the bottom of a glass jar that everybody seen right through so you're on a lot of organizations that can just eat that either there. No No. There's not a lot of organizations that can just walk away from the. Hey We fucked up on that one. We're just GONNA move on. Yeah so you're you're not gonNA have of a an eighteen million dollar a year reliever coming out of the bullpen for you in the sixth. You'RE GONNA trot guy out there really I we fucked up but you know what you still got the ninth. Yeah go blow another one. You don't see many organizations be able to wear like paying a guy north of fifty million dollars to hang out and triple A.. Like just not every there's not many clubs that can whether that kind of story. Yeah there's not many clubs it can release a guy like Jacoby Ellsbury when he's still has twenty six million dollars remaining on I was constantly wants to get to go home. Yeah that is Twenty one million four twenty twenty five million dollars for twenty twenty one. How about Good for him MERICA. Yeah Y- good for him. I'm happy for him. I mean he didn't do a Goddamn thing to deserve one hundred fifty fifty three million dollars and that's not hindsight's twenty twenty. I set it when they signed it. You're going to live to regret this deal The Yankees were were so incredibly stupid for that contract because els Berry's career year was in twenty. Eleven he he was a free agent after the two thousand thirteen season and the Yankees paid him as if he had produced the production from twenty eleven for like five straight years leading into free agency. Then I would have understood the deal a little bit more. I still want to give him one hundred fifty three million but for the I see what he was doing in Boston. He's GonNa come over and it's just gonNA be like it. Was it an independent as though turn that into a phone booth has no compete. He has no compete. I mean that was zone teammates. Call them out the knock knock from a lot of the folks that were in the walls with him there. Lay You got fucking injured in April. It's September where yet we need you your table table center. You're a leadoff hitter. Where yet we're slip sliding we could really use your presence in the lineup? He broke his fucking rib in like the the second week of April and was done for the year and decide. Injuries talking about fickle side injuries. The obe leaks uh-huh intercostal 's the ribcage Clark was bad when you get your own teammates call now for you know your your lack lack of desire to get back on the field. It's bad What were you WANNA be? Yeah it's not where you want to be in. Brian Cashman it. I don't no no that. He admitted his fault with signing Ellsbury. But you could tell that he was tired of fielded questions about him every spring training. You know I it was going to get to the point where he was answering during questions about whether or not he's alive like We're going to have to address. Do you see last spring. They like gave away his number. I don't even think he was like a coach. There is somebody there was somebody in the Yankees Organization that was wearing Jacoby. Ellsbury Number Wild Jacoby ellsbury was still. We'll like on the team. Yeah they're just like fuck it dude like whatever we've turned the page. Yeah we're moving on. We know that we're still paying you but like we're Kinda just moving on anyway. Yeah that's that's the writing on the wall and honestly all I all. I can say this much about that type of scenario. Anytime you start to feel that that organization has looked at you or has communicated to you one way or another that they're going to be playing hardball quote Unquote You. You know that you're only defense is to dig your heels in And I'm not saying that's what Ellsbury did but if what you're reading from cashman now is any indication of what he felt or how he felt and how that relationship was going doing Jacoby wasn't beating the training room door down to get in there and wasn't keeping folks after to make sure that he got to wear needed to be because he's probably thinking why for who after what you've said to me and done and and that's where that's where it gets ugly is because you're like well do after mind you about two hundred fifty three million dollars to talk about that and that being the reason why or because it's like you could get mad at me or you could understand the situation. What do you think he Signs his minor league deal with as the world's stock on the outfield. Yeah so like mid-january we've got. We've got first baseman. They can play outfield. Yeah but Jacoby Ellsbury I mean Hellman outfielder. We got the laser show button. Yeah I mean he's bringing up with as or the mets. I could see the mets being a nice landing spot. What sticking to the mets Back then twenty. Thirteen that free agent class there. I remember like Yankee fans freaking. Yeah now being like you gave the money to Ellsbury that you should have given to canot looking back on it. If you're the Yankees knowing how both both players panned out and what the with the dollars were. It was what ten years two hundred million for canal. Which contract would you rather rather have had because I mean if you have the now you're kind of like blocking Labor Torres I mean not that they would have made room for you figure it out. I mean maybe Yarmouk Robinson keynote at first base and you have some sorta plumbing but maybe you might figure it out. Maybe you don't have the opportunity to figure it out quickly. And maybe he doesn't turn into who he is. Yeah you know those are all look because it's all about timing all about timing because if you've got somebody in a spot that is producing and that is leading living up to the compensation your why are we kicking the tires on him doing anything else. We've got our guy. The price tag is what it is so the kid coming up behind him. What else can he do And now maybe we don't get to see flavor. Yeah but which one would you have taken you take the Ellsberg deal or would you. If you're the Yankees Juve giving canola what he got from Seattle. I think I'd probably take Ellsbury just because I feel like what's the harm like. I mean you pay them to kind of go away versus Canot. It's like you're you're stuck. Put Him in the lineup. And I think like yeah like PD test like now. That's another blemish on the Yankees. Where you kind of have a long list of guys that have tested positive? It's like all right well That's another Yankee talking about him. Being able to produce being able to compete Pete during that during that contract. That's the same. You take the same numbers. Oh man we yeah. There was no I mean there was little to nothing from Ellsbury. Yeah but I mean you're spending less. It's less of an embarrassment less of a blemish. I guess for you if you're spending fifty million less us for. What are the mets have to show for it? They lost their closer well. Earner excuse me they Gained a closer and closer and he's not a closer now. Yeah Yeah I think I'd rather have ellsbury than canal for for the money for the money. And what the production ended up being because the Yankees like they can eat that like I I think the the the PD test matters. Like I wouldn't want another one of those on the Yankees McKie's for a guy that won a world series title there. I think it it. It's not as big of a blemish or if it happens in another organization and then Ellsbury hasn't played a game since the twenty two thousand seventeen playoffs. So it's like outta sight outta mind. You know you're still like he's here. Take this this six seventy O.. P. S. you gotTa make makes that decision right now ellesmere. You don't like it is what it is. Yeah it's a wash your wash but it's over. Yeah ooh Wow all right well I think we gotta get to bed because We have to wake up and like six hours. We will be at Eastern in seven hours at eastern seven hours. Brunei still have like another like forty minutes to like even get home at twelve miles standard. Good stuff guys yeah. It's it's three it. My body clock is at three. Am Right now. You'll be fine. We with those. Those red is over to the east closer like for me August in and out you. Don't you don't sleep with sleep for sleep when you're dead sleep when you're dead. File thoughts That I want to go to bed. My final thoughts. Actually you know what my real final thought is This podcast would be significantly better if we were together together all the time. It's usually how that works. Yeah I feel like the dynamic is substantially better. When we're when we're we can when I can look into those eyes? I like to feel you. Yeah Pink completely honest yeah. It's a lot better than this. Manning right now mypillow move in with me. What's that move in with me? I can do that. I can cook can you. uh-huh Buddy. What's your specialty fucking name? It what do you make a slam and chicken cordon. BLEU OH Allen makes a great one of those yeah I just I mean I've got a got a pot of stew in their life hammers solely. I mean I'm a big you know I can. I can grill. I can barbecue smoke. I mean anything outdoors really Sauce guy like Spaghetti. I can get on the ball and as you'll get outdoors veal Bison Venison Combo meatballs. Yeah Yeah I can do it up just had some pork chops and potatoes and mushrooms. Great Mushroom gravy. I can do it automatically. Throw down my friend. I'm into that throwdown. My friend also know karate you do you gotta basement actually was a yellow belt Green Stripe Aikido I took took taekwondo. I did not yeah. I'd fuck you up you'd have to be able to reach me. Must be the stall the ride. This ride rocket we gotta go yeah yeah.

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Ophira Eisenberg | A Well-Storied Life

Good Life Project

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Ophira Eisenberg | A Well-Storied Life

"My guest today Vera Eisenberg hosts. NPR's nationally finally syndicated comedy Trivia. Show asked me another. We're she interviews and please silly gains with all sorts of people like Sir Patrick Stewart Aquafina. roxane Gay Terry Crews Tony Hawk. George Takei Julia stiles so many other awesome human beings she is also a regular host and teller on the moth radio hour. Her stories have been included in two of the Moss bestselling collections and over his own. Comedic memoir screw everyone sleeping my way to monogamy was optioned for a feature film. She has appeared on comedy central this week at the Comedy Cellar New Yorker Festival so many other places amazing story very driven stand up and her comedy special inside joke is available on Amazon and I tunes and today we dive into her remarkable journey so many of the moving deeply personal stories stumbles and awakenings. That have brought her to this point in her life so excited to share this conversation with you. 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That's what learn more about the all in one marketing platform at MAIL CHIMP CHIMPS DOT com so you hail from the wild up north. I have been to once in my life at absolutely fell in love with Actually Calgary the city and then we jumped up to banff early three days and it was like do I have to leave here. Yeah Mind Allowing League gorgeous. Yeah all right. So you're growing up in Calgary a dance person as a kid. Yes yes that's right. You still has well. You know because I don't. I did Bali growing up classical ballet for years. You know I think I was pretty good at it. I think I never was in line to be a prima ballerina. Although some of the people I studied with did become backs. We've I did go to a very serious school But I worked as as as with everything in my life not that good at it but I'll work harder than everybody. That's how I did it. But a little bit of Trivia danced the opening ceremonies of the nineteen eighty-eight Calgary winter. Okay so I've heard you say this before. Yes and I've also heard you say that to your knowledge knowledge. There's no video or any footage or anything of you doing that available. This is what I remember. I remember thinking when I was a I can work out the actual date. I was. Yeah it was fifteen. Turning Sixty I was part of a large contingent. We were wearing the beige dresses that had red in blue ribbons and we had read earmuffs and I believe sort of a metaphor like a red apron like thing on top so Alan definitely somewhere safe. I've recently free at the frame some. I've really it's very big. It's big and you know. They gave us these amazing mazing technology for the time because it was cold outside and your dancing outside but it was a very very thin. You know probably what was like thin slate under garments full-body unitards kind of thing to keep us warm. And at the time the only key like went skiing your this very bulky thermal most stuff I remember and this was space age as far as we were concerned but it was probably what they had developed at the time of the athletes. That's pretty amazing. So so you're kind of famous when you're fifteen or six pretty much couldn't walk down. The street could walk down the street. That was such a big deal Calgary getting the Olympics immediate it actually. Actually I think for my age range. It was huge. And everybody in Calgary in my age range was huge because you were just starting to appreciate gate that there was an art culture all over the world. That came to Calgary lots of different. People came to Calgary that had never been there. You know they were visiting for the first time. Kinda put Calgary on the map and I feel like it opened up just a lot of people I know to. Wow there's a whole world out there they just having to come here because they think people thought I think a lot of people think well there's incur uh-huh Toronto. There's although the stampede has been around forever and Calgary forever which was always the giants or jam where everyone comes together. The greatest outdoor show on Earth uh-huh advertised on earth had bragging rights before that nobody cares. Nobody cared I mean I guess they carried on a certain line line of because if you just follow the map all the way down every every state you hit there is also kind of around the rocky mountain range. It also has sort of a ranching feeling of course they would horses and people who deal with Rodeos all through the States Texas obviously Colorado. They would come up a semi Idaho. Lots lots of Montana grownup. Also your your parents. Your mom was from Holland. That's right your dad Israel Israel kind of before it was Israel. Okay basically. What's the back story there? How did they meet? Yeah so he was. He decided join the army. He lied about his age and joined when he was young. But this is fighting for the British in World War Two and he came to Holland during the nine Megan Holland which is just on. The German border He was part of the Liberation Movement that came near the end of the war. And the way I understood it from my mother is that the the well actually the Germans. Obviously they got on the skated everything they didn't and they had rations and life was definitely hard and she was an actually the Americans bombed their town because it wasn't very very accurate back then so bombed their town and so they're town nine. Megan was decimated. They bombed her school. Everything bombed but life went on as it does and as the Liberation Movement all these soldiers came in they also they would give the people oh living in nine megan their coffee and their sugar and stuff from their mass transit in a radio and one of these men men happened to be who would be my father I think he took a shine to my mother. I assume she took a shine to him but he would show up everyday at their house as with goods goods for her family and her mother said you marry that man. You're going to marry that man. So she did and they moved to to. You know Israel. They moved to spot the see at the time that was not an artist colony like it is now it it was just a small place race And my father's family ran a bakery so they lived a very modest life. So how do they go from there to Calgary around the wars of independence. My mother said to my father. Should they two kids and she said I just WanNa live somewhere where there are no worse. I don't WanNa ever hear bombing shots fired in and her father. Who was an engineer like on the trains was obsessed with Canada because Canada had the the longest? I long train track in history the CNN so he he was he always talked cannon house. This wonderful place. So my my mother said to my father would. What do you think about Canada? And somehow she convinced them they got on a boat a ship and they came to the first place that you come to basically weekly when you're going across the ocean which is saint with Newfoundland Ganders kind of well known as the place where all the planes go to refuel In this case the ship goes to Saint John's Newfoundland and they settled there for a little while and my father started teaching a bar Mitzvah classes because there was a few Jews there and made needed some what the teacher and they heard about this brand new city. Calgary was just starting out and they you know and it was around four And they they thought maybe they could make a gopher there and they went there and my father became the he'll build a Hebrew school and became the principal at the Hebrew school. was there much of a Jewish population and there was a bit of a Jewish population. Yeah I mean I've said before that you know to my feeling growing up. There was not a in comparison in comparison to well New York. There's no compares but even other Toronto Montreal it just felt very small to me but people have have corrected me and said no it was fine so it's bigger now it's so much bigger now but at the time for me even growing up and I'm the youngest of six it felt very small. Yeah so young as six. Does that mean that. Essentially you just had the run of everything everything whatever SORTA I mean yes. There was a lot of fat not so much when I was a little child. Of course did I noticed. Does that mean everyone was like you're spoiled. You're spoils of course But when I was a teenager although different circumstances because my father passed away when I was young and my mother was older and went back to work for the first time which she actually as hard as that was. She really enjoyed always wanted to have a job I. I don't think she got the job that she wanted but she always wanted a job. And then I had total freedom because she was basically saying to me get good grades. And I don't get Outta Line it's like you're at the bottom of sakes kind of a latchkey kid up so yeah so great for more freedom than any of my friend Um did I abuse it. Yes can't you know you gotta find the boundaries. The edges memory is that we use. You might have one hundred. Yeah I mean I just would stay out late. I would go wherever I wanted to go. Yeah I would hang out. Yeah I know you share it also A couple years back on The moth You called the accident yes e- Ada she'll Yup Gerbil to that. Oh yeah when I was Since I share a bit of this every day of my life as I continue to work through it. That's the way life works. When I was eight years old? I was in a car accident. My my mother was driving and I was in the car with my brother and my friend and actually her brother which anyways and her brother in a little Honda Honda Civic and we were driving home from swimming Like just fun swimming doing something. My mother trying to get the kids to do something and a guy. Young Guy ran a red light and as we were making a left turn and bashed into the side of the car so I I was the worst off survivor. My mother survived. Of course I say that because the person that didn't survive with my friend We were both in the backseat. Might me myself and my friend my mother and my brother in the front to seize my mother driving. She broke her wrist but otherwise she was fine. My brother his head he was unconscious his knees went into the Dash. were cut up brother. It is such a different time so this is this is eighty five Honda Civic hatchback and this is back when the young kid as a young kid he was in the hatchback that so we were traveling and he walked away without a scratch. So in just it's just someone who was very adept at physics. Could probably explain to me how this all happens because in this tiny car are everyone had a different level of injury So I I was obviously rushed to the hospital so as my friend. I have huge scar in my stomach's called trauma scar because I was dying so they basically ripped me open and I had broken ribs that class my lung and ruptured spleen and lacerated. My liver and and I was just generally in rough shape but mostly it was a you know. Could I breathe. That was that was the real worry. At the time the spleen is something something they don't so backup right once you ruptured spleen is pretty small. That's it and the liver is something that not only you can sew up does obviously have some regeneration properties so so it was really about the and then just general You know your body's been through tons of trauma. Can you make it through. Yeah I mean we're you because you're young at that age and if you weren't aware of what happened with your friend right now. That was something that was from you until you're at a point where you're like. I guess the adults thought that you could in some. I'm way handle it. Yeah I think too I mean I was in the hospital for a while and they certainly didn't tell me while I was in the ICU. And matter of fact I kept asking for my friend Adrian and it's not like they lied to me they just I guess misdirections switched the subject. And for whatever reason I didn't the press on it but as I got stronger as I got more cognizant as I was moving to the children's Ward and then the idea of going home was coming closer and closer. I also was just more forthright about asking and one day her mother and my mother they were together and I asked her mother. Her mother would also come visit me so of course when I saw her mother. I'd say why why can't I Adrian. Did you have a sense. I don't think I did. I don't think I did until that one day and I just saw at this look come over their face that told me something was wrong. Yeah I often say that that have moments also for all sorts which different reasons where like in in in the blink of an eye things changed for them very often. That happens in. We report it when we're older in life in sort of a at a moment where we've got more of the cognitive emotional capacity to actually have it in some way to grapple with it to work through it may be beetle helping us do and Lotta people have shared their from. That moment changed the they exist some way differently in the world. You're so young when this hobby you have any sense of being different in the world after that anyway. Well I have a sense in terms of feedback. I got as a young kid so the first thing that I think in hindsight really did shape things was how I was treated everyone around me and it was both positive and negative one was of course everybody around you starts grappling for reasons reasons. We all like to have things reasons so all of a sudden I was really hit with the you are here for a reason you survive for reason as an eight year old an eight year old at any your. That's pretty trippy. But his name they're all it's it's intense lance. Yeah very very intense. The other thing weirdly is that and I don't I don't know what to say about this a couple of my teachers I would say to my mother. She looks different. She has a light in her eyes. You know what so. Yeah I think that sort of set me up I mean trust me. I didn't take it and become this like I'm here. For a reason. I am going to conquer the world but I did feel different friend. I felt like I suddenly related more. I was still childish at a child and wanting to play but I found found myself kitty and conversations with my friends parents a lot more often than my friends. I did feel like some things I were. I just felt like I was in a different sphere than a lot of what was going on around me and I didn't really know how to negotiate the two places. I don't know how anyone would know. And recently I had the situation where I was going back through all of the stuff in my my mother's house and I was going through boxes and boxes of Old Schoolwork that I cannot believe was kept and let me tell you something from grade three and so this would be great for the summer was between the summer of grade. Three and grade four so great for grade five grade six big elementary years of in writing and I guess we did a lot of writing of stories and there was a whole I guess there was a whole section on poetry. I wrote so much about death so much death so much about darkness so much about the staff and I'm just surprised it said anything I don't know one said no one pointed it. I mean maybe that's interesting. I have no idea if that was really you wonder I mean not only that but some of it didn't even get good grades. Look it's not like it always like five five eight plus like careless a spilling. It's I mean you wonder if you're like the teachers in and like okay. So how especially you know. We're talking this was this was does not today. I think today there's a lot more context a lot more instruction on what to look for and the resource but Adam is still kind of the wild west with a lot of and a lot of things you just didn't talk about. You just didn't talk about. I mean I felt the the mentality At the time even was very strongly strongly like we are moving on. We are moving forward. And what would the past is the past. And now we're moving forward yet. So how do you go from this place moving through this really really tough time. Clearly you're processing it for years after that through your writing in your brain to starting to say you know this thing called comedy comedy a big pendulum swing or maybe it's not. I don't know maybe maybe it's actually a really logical pendulum swing so hit. You know what I've thought what about this a lot and I do not have a clear answer but I feel like there are so many things that have impacted where I ended up going. I want to do comedy. If comedies the circle in the middle you know just all the different points go to at one is being young statistics pretty classic situation there which I am trying to find a way to good good yeah. I'm still the wallflower when I hang out with my brothers and sisters they are such larger louder. Voices than I am also Getting people to laugh in my family's a really big deal. That is what everyone aspires to and is rewarded with so that pretty much sets up stage then the need to feel. I think this is huge in an out of control world where things like tragic accidents accidents can happen. You look for places that you can control the narrative where you can be the person with the power of the microphone and the attention and the you know you're in a dialogue with the audience but one of you is only supposed to be talking and that is very powerful that makes a Lotta Sense I mean on the one hand also. It's sort of like you control the narrative so you do have this sense of of agency for this fixed window of time right right and and I've heard so many times people talk about in the standup world in the comedy world. It's a lot a lot of people processing their own stuff. So it's like there's a therapeutic aspect to this is my way of figuring it out shirt hawking through and getting but at the same time it feels like they're equal if not more parts of this is also my way way to create a persona to hide behind. Yeah even I mean that is so true even with the rating is done on this experience reading done on other experiences you learn very quickly as a writer that you cannot tell all of the story you have to pick a lens to tell the story through and sometimes that ends up being how you remember story because if you were writing very committed to this particular lens in really drawing it out you get a lot of the story but there's always so much more there's always there's so much more so even talk. I've talked about the car accident in that Moss Story and that through very specific point of view But there's little things that sometimes sometimes I am reminded of or sometimes the else reminds me of that. I'm like what that whole side of the story. I forgot all about that. I mean and there was some things. I wasn't even aware of one of my favorite things that I wasn't aware of. Is that supposedly my father. When he got to? The hospital was told you know that I was in critical condition. And they didn't know if I was GONNA make it and he was very unhappy with that information obviously and started He he wanted more answers and he wanted to talk to a surgeon and you wanted to talk to a specialist and he wanted to talk to someone and whoever was like no. That's you know. And he started walking around the hospital like pounding downing on doors demanding to speak to people until someone spoke to him and said Here's the deal. She's got a fifty fifty chance and supposedly when he heard that he started screaming in the hospital. Fifty percent. Did you hear that. She's GonNa live fifty per cent Sanchez. She's GonNa live so if there was ever a literal example of glass half full. Yeah lead project disappointed by worthy. 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Okay S. dot com slash G. L. P. for twenty percent off bombast dot com slash. GOP or just. Click the link in the show notes. Now they also shared your mom in one of the things that happened is nearly this was largely about your experience of that experience. Yeah until down the road when you realize Oh. I wasn't the only one experienced Yelich. You just shared that story about your dad and also I guess your mom how it affected vetted her and and also the the other family involved and kind for remarkable lands on how yeah you know the right the other their family involved. Recently the father of the other family got in touch with me again. We have been a little bit of touch over the years and He remarried her. Adrian's mother passed away many years ago now and he remarried and has a stepdaughter who who actually lives in New York and there is like a loose plan currently for us to get together and Who knows maybe she'll stumble across this podcast but I mean and to do it but I'm a little afraid and I shouldn't be? This is totally different. I but it's just. It's you had these things. These things can all of these things continuing continuing life. Yeah Yeah you end up heading out to McGill and Harvard of the North. Of course every uh-huh except for that is pointed out to me that Harvard does not refer to itself as McGill of the south so I went to Binghamton University which used to be called back then Suny mini Binghamton and we used to call it like the Harvard of the State University. Go you end up there. And that's when that's when the comedy Jones really certainly take it goes to the next level you into ushering volunteer to usher At a festival and it sounds like a light. Bulbs really started going on. Yeah I actually so it was right. I finished my college degree in in Cultural Anthropology and theatre which is the absolute perfectly it up for Ashley in interesting ways it really is. It wasn't even theater by the way I it was basically theory theory of theater. I was reading plays and writing about trends in theatre historically anyways and culturally So yeah exactly I. I couldn't. I was obviously just so painfully afraid of putting myself out there in some way globalist getting so close so close right just scratching it in and then I finished university college and then I moved to Vancouver and this is when I had no plan the this is what I did not know what I was doing at all because was I just going to get a masters I guess. Oh was I going to get a job. And that's when I volunteered volunteered to usher at the Vancouver Comedy Festival. Great Festival by the way and met all the other ushers weirdly were aspiring and up and coming comedians and they convinced me to go to a workshop. And I you know. Comedy classes are very common now. I feel back then it was suspicious. I mean some accommodate classes are suspicious to. I'm not saying they're all perfect. But you know because it is such a strange. Is it a skill. Is it an art you know. Do you have to have something beforehand to go into. I really can't answer these questions But at the time I think no one was doing a comedy workshop. This was pretty rare but all of them were doing it and I didn't have any other way to get in. I didn't know how to get in so I went to the workshop. Three hundred dollars too expensive. Frankly straight out of school. Also I was working at Kinko's us as a he as at the in the computer section and my aunt. That was a big deal. I was a computer tech in frigging us so I did not have a lot of money but I did have. I had three hundred twenty five dollars in my bank account. I believe and so my I an access to like a lot of flyers when I'd actually some people actually. I remember what everyone would do fliers in the beginning and I remember when I moved here some a show a friend of of a show that I was part of. They call that person toner because they would print off all their flyers liars. I go that's awesome. Yeah so I did go to this workshop. I thought I was going to I. I had this grand plan where I was going to go to a bit of the workshop and then go to the bathroom and run off before they asked me for the money not understanding that clearly. They ran a better business model. That that you walked in you gave the money and then you've got the workshop so does it does. The light switch just automatically go on there or is it over slow-burn burn type of thing or you completely freaked out or is it just yes to everything you know it was. It was in a slow burn. It was it was just a onslaught of positive causative reinforcement. Everyone there had an act already because they had been trying it a bit so they had you know the the first. It wasn't like a sit down lecture. Sure anything I didn't know what to expect. I mean just a weekend workshop of Saturday and Sunday kind of thing but everyone just went on stage one at a time and did their three to five minute act. They were working on. I didn't have anything to do so I mean because of my family. I told the kinds of things that I told before at the dinner table. Will anecdotes funny ways that we used to make like we made fun of my mom just dumb things and the guy running it and said he. Did you see that everybody. That's something you can't learn stage presence. Yes so I knew I was like what it he was like. Yeah you want. Everybody wants to see you. onstage he goes you know you gotta work on the writing but everyone wants to see one stage so that was really exciting and he he said that was the talent. That's a talent and no one has ever said to me before you of talent talent the talent so I was like. Wow this is amazing. And then the next night was the showcase we're going to do. Another run of are sets with feedback and then the next night was the show. So that's people coming into US real people coming into watch You know invite your friends and family kind of thing. And I hadn't planned for that. I didn't know about that. I had a shift to Kinkos so I called in sick for my shift. First of all I was just like I'm sorry can't do it. I've shifted Kinko's and he was like. Yeah you're GonNa do it as like. Oh okay so I called in sick for my shift. At Kinko's they all knew really. And then I did the showcase And I was terrified. I I really thought I was going to was shaking so hard that maybe my arms and my hands would fall off. I was shaking so hard so so scared just beyond beyond any level of terror that I've thankfully have ever had to experience and then I got on stage and I said the things that we had prepared and you know in the context of an amateur nights a new comic night. Some of it got laughs. Maybe maybe just because I was a brevity or whatever but it was intoxicating and it also felt like this thing that I thought about somewhere in the back of my head for years and years and wondered happened and was happening And it was the the you know the highest. I think I'd ever felt in my entire life and I just thought I have have to figure out how to do this again. What's the I mean? Where's was there at that time? prescribed path. There's never been a prescribed path right. I mean Under continues not to be right. There is because it's like you go to a big city like the talk shows where you bring the audience along with you right right Yeah no Vancouver. Didn't have that or like a bringer show they had amateur night and actually you know back then. That club long gone Called Punch lines just like the movie had comics. who had lockers in the basement? There were no lockers but it had it had an audience. It had pretty loyal audience. So you didn't have to bring people. It always was nice if you brought people but it was absolutely not expected In and it was a scene and I just started hanging out there every single night these people became my friends ends I saw they had a rotating cast of locals and then obviously they'd bring another people from out of town and they had an amateur night that you would call Dan you know. I can't remember what it was. But you'd call Tuesday by three and the booker would start through the names and maybe you would get on the amateur night the next Thursday and let me tell you there I must have wanted. I was so scared about doing this. I just appetizers myself at every turn I called in at four. I called the wrong date like for some reason. My little brain rain would not let me take into simple information of how to get on that stage And then I finally just you know I would go to the club. cleven be like well. Why why didn't you get on and be like? Oh I called the wrong time and you know people just look at you like what's wrong with you. I was like what is wrong with me so then I finally I only started calling at the right time and got some stage time and it was far few between but it was something and from that. I just I just kept trying to do it. And there was a pretty healthy amateur scene so there was a lot of us that were hanging out and writing together and just trying to concoct shows and sketches and create. Yeah I mean when you find the community and the culture around it. It's sort of like it's I would imagine that it becomes maybe not as intoxicating that moment on stage where nearly enough goes right that. You're just like oh my what just happened. What just happened but also just being a part of that I mean it's interesting. Also so you come up with Family Your Dad Passes Young. You've got you know like one of six so you kind of have that community so you have like your family is a community. Sure to search that. Then you land in another city and it's like one of the first people try and do as they find their people yeah And for a lot of people take years right and some people change Like you have a bunch of people stand up can be kind of like that especially in the beginning because not not everyone keeps going but for these I think like couple years that was really. Yeah that was a sense of belonging That I I had not experienced -perienced at that point in my life. Yeah at all. When does it one window for you? was if the very beginning where you're thinking. Oh if this is the thing that I can actually do to earn my living like this is what I wanna do or or were you just kind of like. I don't know where this is leading but I just have to keep doing it as much as I can. Yeah I didn't know where it was leading and I didn't you know I was a my father was like most I think I guess immigrant fathers or or people it come over with no money to a new country What are their expectations of their kids? My daughter the comedian. You know in my sister so it's like a story that she always plays back to me. I I guess in a certain way or I remember growing up is that she had a beautiful still. Does a beautiful singing voice and she even had some teachers say to my parents. She is an amazing singing voice. You should try to cultivate that. Put her in singing lessons. See e you know what what she can do with that and my father was dead set against it he was like no no no no and there was a very common feeling because everyone in my family's is artistic some visual artists. And have you that you know you need to support yourself in. That is certainly not the way so I think I had in my head. That comedy was never never gonNa like. How would that ever support me insane but I just kept doing it because I loved every aspect of it and I seem to be doing it? I'd often just think well if I have another show to do. I guess I'll just do that. Show and then see what happens after that. This is the kind of thing you can't not do right. And everyone tells you that all the time when you start com every veteran comic is like can you do this. I mean I was asked this bazillion zillion times. Can you do anything else. Is there anything else you like doing anything else. Like you like cooking or do you like painting or do you like thinking thing about things like law like can you do anything else because if you can't just do that because this is just too hard and and I think in hindsight you know and I know you've talked about this if I would've known how hard it would be. I'm not sure if I would have done it. I think so many people I think. Feel that way it's almost it's funny because there's one side of You know like creating the grand vision and mapping it out and and really trying to identify everything that's going to go right and everything that could go wrong preparing against it and there's interesting research that shows at that even works but there's other research that have stumbled upon the entrepreneurship. Actually which which is the place where the vast majority of people in ideas fail and they went out and interviewed a whole bunch of people who had done really well and yeah big thing. That's like if few new like in hindsight now looking back if you knew what this would have taken from you personally alike relational like money suffering wise. Would you have said yes to it back then and what people are like. Oh hell no no but you also cannot gauge your reaction to these scenarios that you don't even know what you're up against against like I didn't know that I would have an emotional reaction to you know not getting on a fundraiser or something so simple an insignificant significant if someone said Okay you know when you start out You're not going to be very good at it. You're gonNA work really hard. You're going to get on. You're not gonNA get on some shows so try to get yourself herself in the mindset of that that seems very simple and then you're there and you're like wow but I'm doing you know it's not it's things aren't fair. Things aren't one plus one equals two and entertainment. There's there's fleeting ideas and people are rewarded in for ways. That have nothing to do with Maritz. Sometimes you're in the right place at the right time. There is an element of luck amused. So many different things. Yeah I mean talkie fairness and their deal fairness in in a a lot of worlds but then in entertainment and then in sort of like the sub genre of comedy The long standing commentary on inequity inequity between representation gender representation totally in the space. which I would imagine was so much more pronounced when you got into it? Is it in in a meaningful way even different now it is different now. I feel like it is different now. How ever I feel like I mean I really WanNa see where we are in five years Because there's so much different now and some of which is good I would say there's the especially in New York. The variety and diversity of voices on any he won show in my mind is the best that it's ever been in where I stand from my standpoint when I came to New York it it was still the feeling I liked. All these other female comics we wanted to hang out and we never did because we were never on the same show because they would never be more than one woman on a show so it was like this hilarious joke that you couldn't even hang out with the other female comics unless you made a special date because you never just just be like. Oh because we're on the same bill at a club. That is totally changed. which is great weirdly? When I started off in Vancouver there was a lot of women there was is a lot of people of different ages like some people it was their? They'd sort of finish their career and they wanted to try something else or they had a career and they thought they might be good. Good at this and Definitely there was a there was all kinds of different things going on so that was such a warm fuzzy interesting bobble to be part of that with not at all representative Of what was going on in mainstream. What made you the jump in from West Coast and he goes next Toronto Toronto New York? Yeah was it just trying to move to surly bigger cities with more possibilities. You know it was it was also just chasing. They're chasing the real game I guess Toronto had has and had a great comedy scene and there was tons of stuff going on there and I did support myself doing comedy and I did do a bunch of television work and it was really all just working fine and that that would be the time I leave. This feels also but you know everyone. There was such this fascination with New York and L. A. New York because it's closer and I think Toronto sees itself as You know in the shadows or a better version of New Yorker. What have you? It's a comparison that is often often thrown about and I just wanted to see how I would do. I Yeah I I always Romanticize New York as a child I honestly believe from watching Sesame Street. I romanticized I was like apartments like just all of these things about it apartments and a garbage like just even like Oscar the crash but I was like carbon. John Street clearly grew up in just such suburban situation. And you end up in Brooklyn which is about the closest yes winning. Yes so do I. Just what did you moved to New York to see how I would do and I moved here secretly because so many comics from Toronto would come to New York or La and they would throw these big parties parties basically being leg. Good Canada. I'M GONNA make it in the big time see later and then they would be back within the year because it was hard word and nobody knew them and you know you really do start from you. Don't start from zero. You start from negative five and it was And they would come back because it it was too hard work. Didn't work out. Just whatever reason I mean in in that world is there are turning point moments are there sort of like the The tipping being point type of thing. We're like I mean I guess back in the day you should be when there were nearly six channels and three night shows like if you've got one of those like boom all right running thing is is that from the outside looking in. It looked like that. Does that even exist anymore. I don't think so. I think that we'll ever progress. There's all there's just so much out out there now And I think it's such a niche market that there are some people that are selling out stadiums right now that you and I have never even heard of because they have made their name through the digital world where they've made their name through a like just a certain niche market that doesn't particularly come into our spheres which is sort of great that there is room for all of this and you know the talk shows right. There used to be the thing about like. Oh you got on this late night show and in your career opened up. I think you get on those things but there's tons of people that do well we haven't been on any of those things and there's certain certain clubs that are well you have to be part of this club or else you mean nothing. There's plenty of people on television and have made their way. Who never did any of those clubs so I feel like we're in a moment right now? Where every rule is being broken? I guess not just in comedy I mean everything. Yeah which uh-huh everywhere you look which is super exciting. If you're on the disrupt or side if you're on the disruptor side yeah right have you terrifying if you're not if you're holding onto the old paradigm so terrifying terrifying. Although I mean I just also feel like there's the the old paradigm exists so if you just want to do it the classic way I think there's there's still room there too. That's interesting because so I write as well and remember dozen years ago in the publishing industry people like like paper. Books are over. Bookstores are over yes had and everyone was mourning next. I love paper books and love bookstores. And here we are. You know. A dozen years slater ensure things have shifted but you know the old paradigm still exists still a massive industry so it is interesting. Book stores are opening up Dan. They're not closing their opening up an independent bookstores. But I also think that's a little bit because people do love paper books I think books. I think we're still looking for common spaces to exist with each other and those are kind of going away but bookstore. I sort of have that. There is often little cafe. You can browse at a slow pace which is a great segue into into your work as a as the storyteller and with the mall and also hosting you know because that is one of those common spaces where it's it's the old campfire yellow yet new. It's it's everyone comes together and everyone may not everyone who shows up there but a lot of people your name and a hat hoping to be drawn on that evening to stand up up and spin their yarn in front of a room full of complete strangers. Yeah how how does that. Drop into your world. I am so grateful for being part of that world or like finding that world when it was just starting because now storytelling as a A. Yeah as a thing as genre like a cultural phenomenon. Nominal writers. Yeah and I remember someone basically telling me you should check out this thing called. Hold them off and at the time. It wasn't a podcast because that didn't exist it was about to exist and it wasn't a radio show. It was it was a live event and it was was popular. It did do some touring but it this this story slams which were there sort of open mics right where you could put your name in the hat and get picked. That happened at a small. The new in the lower east side called American poetry cafe. And I would go and you know at that time to it. Felt so different from standup because this crowd stand up now. Having its heyday and Khamis having heyday. But when I moved here in the early two thousands it was it was a little there was an old all seen and the clubs were the clubs and it was very kind of divided and and it was hard to get people to a show I would say in general all people that people were struggling to get people to a show storytelling. Oh my God. I went to the moth and it was just packed to the I mean they tailing people turning people away for an open mic basically it with the audience was writers and like intellectually all these artistic cruel people that I had not any interaction with in New York. 'cause comedy clubs. They may have been there but I I didn't have them all in the room like that. This super smart really cool interesting crowd and there was just a feeling of electricity like this was something and I did. I put my name in the hat and I did get packed and just to make everyone feel good. I failed I went up. Toll Story hadn't really put together. Didn't really understand what was about. You know I had some sense of what a story was but I have a lot of other. People really knew what they were doing and some people were just telling something cool from their your life but you know it wasn't wasn't out of the gate like Oh this is. I'm so good at this. I was I was okay. Did you expect that you would be because of what you're bringing it takes. No I ain't GonNa go out there and show them how this is done. Yeah I was also terrified though because again it was a totally different muscles soul that I was used to. I written lots of personal stories and I didn't know what to do with them so I knew I had the material out there somewhere but did I have it together in five minutes and you know ready to perform so But I wanted to be part of this so I kept going back and I found that community and these people are still are are huge friends of mine still in my life and a lot of them you know there's there's no money per se say in storytelling that you do it for the passion or you create something else out of it yeah. The project is supported by sleep number. Did you know that nine out of ten couples prefer different mattress. Firmness quite a conundrum right. Well not what. If you have a sleep number bed from super soft firm you can adjust each side to your sleep number setting so it's just right for both of you know need to compromise. You get get exactly what you want on your side of the bed which is really important because sleep is so important for healthy. 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I mean it's interesting also because and curious whether this is right or wrong you know when I think about when you think about the two audiences the the standard body ends and then the storytelling on my my initial thing is like Oh probably a lot of crossover really similar and then I'm like no. It's probably the exact opposite felt very opposite at the time the stand ups looked at the storytelling as oh so it's like All the same thing but just not funny so it's like stand up not funny or where people think if he can't make it instead go do storytelling with no laughs. And I was like no no. No it's totally. Just different thing is beginning middle and end yet. You have to be vulnerable like me. You should be vulnerable good stories but being vulnerable enough to have the audience connect with you emotionally which is a very different feeling than stand up and funniest great but also doesn't have to be funny. Some of the stuff is tragic but it always you know at the at a stand up set to you. Don't have to change as a person through your material Tiriac by the end of the fat but as a storyteller you should express how you changed how this impacted you in some way that your different at at the end something happened. Yeah I mean it also seems like a a standard audiences almost more adversarial. We're just like a moth. Storytelling ordinances like we want. It is easy like yes there rooting for you and not only that but when they get on your side if for your story there rooting for you to win in your story even though that might not be the truth of what happened so they're devastated when you were devastated and they're they're elated. When you win you know they they they really do follow you through which is Great? It was such a would I kind of understood what it was it was just also just so intoxicating and for me. I think I was still figuring out my voice stand up. I didn't feel confident with WHO I was as a standup I kept dabbling. And wondering is this rate. Is this right. Will they like like me. Like this Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I should do it this way. And in storytelling you really cannot hide behind anything low. I mean if you want to be the most effective you shouldn't hide behind anything and having to just throw it out there. My voice my story no L. Messing around and getting rewarded for that really change. Thanks yeah it seems like you drew those two worlds together because is your stand up now as feels like especially over the last few years has really drawn from a longer form storytelling. We used to be so if I have to wait more than thirty seconds of the punchline like this better be really amazing it was just set up like it was all about the payoff. Yeah and you'd better edit that down and it feels like comedy general and also you Taylor like it's changed like there. There is this model truly long-form but long or for more more nuance element of storytelling. That is really being brought into the art and craft to stand. I totally agree And it's so nice. I've even gone to some smaller. Mahler shows recently and you know listen to some people that are just getting their feet wet in the stand up world and they are telling longer stories than sometimes. I'm like wow you know were admitted in and I haven't heard a laugh but it's super interesting and I bet it's GonNa pay off and I'm actually you know some people might hear this and we'll that's terrible but no it's fantastic because it's like people are really crack in their heads open on that stage and offering it out in a way that when I moved here the the the trend was very jokey. WHO's very set like? One liners set upon very very jokey. Yeah and I mean if if you think about neo you share the idea of the storytelling both the teller and the audience. You WanNa send transformation at the end of it and and people don't normally go to stand up because they're looking for that they're just looking to laugh but if you can deliver both that that's the best. There's nothing better within that there's nothing. Yeah especially well. It's it's harder to do it in a stand up then you and I've tried sometimes sometimes like all right. We're going to Segue to a longer story but you are asking them to really listen in a different way. I mean that's another thing just how you listen to a person in a standup venue versus a storytelling venue storytelling straight let people really listening. Because they are taking in a story sin take it. They're used to really fight for them to listen to of that length and you better be economical even with the words in your your story because there is a just a different vibe. So you know you have to sell it more as a performer. You can sell it more By the payoff often is is a little. It can be a little higher because it's unexpected. Yeah and again there. Is this kind of third place. That feels like it is emerging in the world of STANDUP. Also which is like you back in. The there used to be the hour long comedy specials. Yeah it was always amazing how that's changed but now it's a whole different world and we're talking about like people are making their own opportunities here but there's so many people out there doing a long form shows now where I guess you get to create the container and take people on that ride with them and know you're gonNA laugh a lot but also so it's like you have this opportunity. Now hold people in this space for a long period you know and I think the the international scale the kinds of shows that we are at the Edinburgh Comedy Festival every year comedy festival. Were for more like these. I mean really a solo shows of I think I think of like the ninety s or something like that where where you were taking the audience on a journey and it wasn't just like joke joke joke joke about a subject was a a story And a very descriptive and there was a lot of laughs laughs but even Nannette which of course caused Hannah gasps Nannette. Which of course you know made? Everyone melt a lot of a lot of people's brains and a lot of people don't stand up. Comedian were like. That's not comedy special. And they were all mad marmer but you know that that is the kind of show that was at Edinburgh. The festival Anne did extremely well and is one of the best shows. I would say that comes out of there but you go to that festival economy festival and you're GONNA see people from I'm all over the world. Do shows like that for a month. All and your there's hundred choose from so the fact that we're so now just getting them or viewing them and being all like while I don't know about that I didn't hear one thing about drinking or whatever you want the Subject matter to be that you would expect from someone's comedy special you know. I think it's like yeah. Let's open our minds a little bit people. Yeah I guess so much of it has to be also about what you need from. It has the performer versus what the audience gets to embrace and feels walking away from it which may be sometimes aligns really well maybe other times not at all. Yeah right right I mean and that's it is right. There's an expectation like in. What do you do with those expectations expectations of your audience? Do I mean. Sometimes I go on stage and all this is more like in a club setting and look at the audience and I'll view what is happening before me me and I'll say to myself okay. We've got to make a choice do we do. I want to just make sure that I get as many laughs as I want or do I wanna do the stuff that I really WanNa do. 'cause sometimes that is going to be a risk might not pay off or do I just need to do whatever it takes to to make these people laugh for whatever time I have on stage at that becomes a choice along the way you end up writing a book also couple years back back which is sort of this memoir about your very excellent you. Yeah I guess so But but the timing of that is kind of interesting because also shortly before that you end up connecting with NPR. And you're hosting. Let me get another. Which is edgy which is funny? Johny especially in the context of them. But so you're doing that. And I don't know what the conversations are with you and the powers that be like while you're sorta like pushing the edge on the auto giant audience. People love people love you and then you come up with a book with which is which makes the show look very tame matter of fact when I was interviews reviews well a lot of beer. Just wouldn't touch it anytime they would they would be like. I can't believe I could see the title on the radio. They they get all all sorts of giddy about it Even though the title of the book is a lot more salacious I would say than the content. Death no agreed agreed. What curiosities was when you are developing content for the stage classically you get so many opportunities to workshop shop this right? Yeah so like the final if you do a special like a one hour or whatever it is you've been work shopping. That stuff and refining Medicare for long long long time to have that etcet- like just nailed. When you write a book totally different? I mean the experience of doing that. It's like okay. Maybe have handled raiders. You've got your editor. Yeah but you poor terrified out and then you put it out into the world. You haven't workshop that you don't know what's working and what's not working and it's just like although I did workshop workshop a lot of my book okay because a lot of those stories not all of them because it would be impossible I would do it storytelling show and I would however I whoa. You know delivery delivering and how you deliver a joke and how you read a joke be two different very very different things. Because the rhythm of performing versus pacing hang on a page is very different and sometimes you can't compensate with co like punctuation to make certain tonal shifts right. I mean so it's like even if you have done told this story ten times on a stage and got in the respond to get. You don't know when you're going into writing the book. was that going all the way back to what you were told in that first workshop was that mostly about your presence onstage or was it the actual wolf story that you told because people aren't going to get the presence when the reading the Bo- yeah no that was that was I think the the biggest hurdle for me as a writer was figuring out like some some some stuff I just wrote and so it only existed in a written form and others other stories. I you know workshop quite a lot on stage. Yeah I knew the beats of it so now it was putting it in the framework of the page and making sure it it fell into the the journey of the entire story and it was. It was really hard. It was really hard and I did have a few people. Read it and just ask them like did you. Did you find the joke there. And there are some dashes dash here in Detroit to replicate of pause or a little bit of a breath right. Bring some physicality in the reading experience. Yeah it's really hard. That is a hard thing to do now found it very challenging and also you're not like you're working with the team the final the product is. Yes it's you fundamentally you're working with a team of editors and copywriter who very often goes back and sweeps an entire manuscript for punctuation vision. And all of this stuff which which. Also if you're somebody who really is focused on spoken-word rhythm and cadence can completely destroy enjoy the sense of that when you're reading it. Oh absolutely I would say the editor I had was so positive and really about just to keep going to the point where I was like are Are Bad and she just is afraid to tell me. It was just almost too positive anyways. That was her role. And I'm very appreciative of it. In hindsight the copy editor really went in there and just tore it apart and it worried me greatly. I'm to the point where I I believe. I had a mini breakdown point. I remember on being on the phone with her. Just saying I can't do it. Lost the the Lost my strength in the project because it was a year later. You know. Deadlines are deadlines and I. I was trying to believe what everyone told told me that. Oh I love the. What's the quote like deadlines? I love the sound. They make when they wish by us. I called. Of course deadlines are just arbitrary. There's these these little vague league benchmarks and then I found out. No No. They are very serious. There is a print date and a whole marketing team. That is pretty much going to make sure you stick to that which date but the copy you know. Now once I got over it the copy editor was they were right. Honestly I fought here and there for a bit of wording or but when they said something wasn't clear is because it wasn't clear so it was a lot of work on my point part to find better word choices to try to express funny. Ideas did the process of shaping the stories for the book that then went back out and told onstage. Change what you told them on stage. Well then I would do a reading reading. I go to a bookstore to do reading where the the idea is that. I'M GONNA open the book and read from the Book and I started doing that and just I think And so even though yeah I mean it would work but it was a very different tone. If you if you do read this book you will say that it does sound like me which is a compliment. I have now taken that people have given me. I'm very thankful for that but I know how to tell these stories and I also know actually for the most part when you go to book reading. The bar is very low because a lot of people who are a fantastic writers are not the greatest public speakers. I I think more and more getting better and better and better but I remember going to some book readings where I felt nervous while the person was reading because I could tell they were just so uncomfortable they they just wanted to be a writer that different crafts for sure. Yeah so I started just going you know what I am GonNa. I'm not GonNa read from the book. You're going to read the book. When you get home? I am going to give you like four snippets of stories as I. WanNa tell them right here Dan that works and everybody feel good. They get the experience that they named. Yeah they liked it. But you're right it was it's such a it's such a different animal along the way you also So the book which would titled Screw Everyone. It's called scary. Everyone's sleeping my way to monogamy right. You end up actually actually sort of leaving that window of time finding the person that you would say true monogamy actually married having kid. That happened way later. Fair Waleed ten years of saying I'd never have child while in a marriage. which is I I mean so when for somebody who a lot of what you share both in stories and and in in stand up comes from your life as the new I guess for pretty much everybody grappling with the idea of spending ten years and I'm not going to have a kid and saying that a kid yeah interesting in terms of both the personal thought process and also the like the public side of? How does this affect not just like how am I going to do my job now but also because the content of your job is this? Yeah Oh yeah no in just talking again. You know the expectations and maybe how the industry comedic industry and the expectations of a woman on stage to an audience. And I've talked about this with other female comics so as not just my idea. There is still this feeling that that when you get up there you know as the woman what audiences want to consume from you or what's going to do well as you talking about sex relationships. It's a little better if you are single and dating and talking about what. That's about out rather than married and mothering and talking about what the even though it's getting better but it is it is a lot easier Sherifi. Were just to get up there until more funny stories about sleeping around. That's an everyone's happy. In that scenario the audience is getting what they were hoping for You're able to still tell the true stories from your life because that's what you're focused on. It's all good now this next level where I'm talking about being a parent. It's yes sometimes. I feel like they're don't want to hear that that's too bad. That's what I'm doing and I wonder I wonder why not because it's all part of the human experience there is just an there's as much quirkiness year like mess. funniness massive split between expectation and reality on on the full spectrum. I wonder if it's in parleys. I mean maybe comedy standup insecure younger. So it's not as relevant or feel that way. Yeah I think it's getting better. I just think there's this expectation I think the I think they're looking at you and you know. Do they think their own mother is funny. I think it's some of that just like really old ingrained ideas about how dynamics fit for you know to be really gross about it for the average man in the audience to look up at you and go. Oh so you would in my life you would be my mother or my wife not not particular for a lot. That's not very titillating much better when like oh I'm going to hear about you. Tell funny like you could be my girlfriend. You could be you know this whatever hot girl and the whatever that's a much more interesting situation and I think it is changing and I think there's a lot of great voices out there that do it well but in general parenting comedy has kind of gotten cool quote unquote recently. I mean I saw on stage. Yeah right exactly right doesn't our largely about what an awful parent he thinks he's v right and Stereo but then again also L. female there's a gender difference. There's a gender difference there and you know there used to be a show on Nickelodeon I think and it was called I it was like some funny MOMS thing. I can't even remember but it didn't have the didn't have a very sexy name was basically like MOMS night out or whatever but that's the general general tone of it. It's sort of like wine in the SIPPY Cup. And you know we're all we're all strung out because we have tyler's that we can't control an hour all to come together together and and talk about it but you know it wasn't. It wasn't a bunch of cool sophisticated people. Making Fun of things felt very kind of yeah just cheesy cheesy which makes me wonder about We had Marin hinkle in here. Who Plays Rose on Christmas Basil and the success of that that show? That's how tremendous. That's helping it's helping unmatched many ways. It's helping women picture themselves standups so the Emmy and there are so many great female stand ups out there. And they're so many more women who are hopping stage constantly and I'm even there's so many female booker's now which actually really helps too 'cause then you know I was even marveling that I was gonNA show recently at near Comedy Club. Which is is a book by a woman who is fantastic and there was another woman on the show who people have even said our voices sound the same and she put us on back to back and we were just laughing about like what a great world this is the not only do they put two women on back to back and not even blink? An Eye Oh what if they're covering being the same material but we've been sound. We actually do sound quite similar for whatever reason and no one even cared about that. Usually these would be all all barriers. Oh No no no no no we separate them by for months on. We can't even book them in the same state so that felt great but so Miss Mazel I think is making a lot of women interested. It's actually depicting a strong woman where you know whether I think this is. This is the part part of the showroom like fully. That was true but all the guys around are pretty funny. I mean there's there's a couple that don't but for the most part they're very encouraging. It's so it's like well we'll see. This is a model. I know this is supposed to take place in the past but less furniture takes place like in the future near future. It's all work towards this. Ah so you're all work towards the fifties. Your Life is incredibly full right now. You stand up you've got storytelling writing. Radio Radio Show all personal life. Parenting magazine you're also. There's the developed a fascination with scars in the relationship which is really being scarred healing. Oh Yeah I've been working on a show recently about scars. I love scars from the car accident. Clearly I also ahead I had early stage breast cancer and scarf from that and from other little things through life that I have I just have A. I have a great body of scars to look at me. You wouldn't tell tell potentially maybe the tracheotomy scarring my neck you would see potentially You would just wouldn't see them and so I started writing about scars because is they really have shaped my identity. Just even the huge one on my stomach I started thinking about you know these stories that I told in the book about being sex positive as a teenager as as you put it which is perfect. I was always wondering how that would fit in. I mean that was just an extra detail in this world that was is obsessed with a certain kind of flawless female beauty and how I fit in And just how it made me see myself and maybe even some of the choices I made partners and as I started developing this I realized that these these scars They really are almost their significant in so many ways in some ways. They remind you that something happened to you. I think it'd be almost terrifying not to have them something has happened to you. They're real real signifies and sometimes they represent he'll being healed and sometimes they represent trauma to really like a motoring is depending on where you are and as I started doing the show. Just a little bit little workshops here little bits of it there A very interesting. Thank thing happened where afterwards people would almost line line up to tell me about their scars whether it was surgery or some sort of weird random thing happen to them. Nobody did not have a story about their scar. No one had something that they were like. No idea how this happened. It was always I remember. I wasn't allowed to stay. I was allowed to play late after school and I did it anyways. And then I saw my mom and I jumped over a fence. My jacket got caught on and I ripped my you you know. My arm got caught in the chain link fence but I just kept running and now I have the scar or you know from lots of nature nature attacking people depending on where you grew up or lived. It's just made me think there is so many people have scars large or small. They're rarely talked about clearly. They really affect people and the story of themselves and they see them every day. Although if you have scars the more you've lived with them. The less you see them which is interesting they really disappeared and then reappeared depending on where you're at and and also I think that most people people feel even the really kind of gratuitous scars they have they wouldn't get rid of them if they could. There's actually no way there's just like some things that help a little bit. There's no way to get rid of them so with all. I think there's another side where people are like. Oh you can probably get a laser something. It's like well not really no you have to have them and then there's the whole other side of it which is thanks to medical innovation so many more of us are surviving and so many more of us have scars. Yeah one of the So this show actually started out as a video series For two years before before we transitioned into audio and the first show that we aired was actually Dan Ariella. WHO's this Israel researcher? Professor Road Win a bunch of books. He he grew up in Israel and when he was eighteen. Through some sort of graduation ceremony he was mixing a VAT of oil. That exploded on his whole body burns like seventy or eighty percent of his body. He was now spittle for three years that actually that he has his career now because in the burn ward he became deeply fascinated about to help people were processing this experience and pain particular and he started tracking everybody's morphine allocations and realizing that people were asking for morphine and he knew that somebody's allocation was done for the day nursery come over and like squeezed the button and he knew that it was. There's nothing coming out of a sailing but the person was okay after to that and that led him into this incredible career researching. Why people do what they do and now has this astonishing life? You know. He's got a family family and loves his work. We talked about like a wad of this and you know the idea that the the fact that he to this day in his middle years sits there and his body is heavily scarred yeah and that he sees it and he feels it and every day of his life it's sort of this a perpetual reminder of the worst place that things can go for him and it's it's you know it's not like an it's it's not like an intentional reset like Oh yeah I remember but it just as surly perpetual thing which is a trigger. Yeah that DAD SORTA like says it's almost Gratitude trigger you didn't use that language right but yeah I think we all had said such an interesting observation you made also that as people are surviving a lot more you like. There's some level of scarlet very often goes along with that. Yeah what does that do to us and for us and at or maybe how do we navigate the dance between the two and the four and there is you know. There's this sort of dual thing that is happening with our instagram'd lives which people are putting out you know the they're curated versions their self where they can manipulate and a whole variety of ways these images to make their life look better and more flawless than ever. And then there's this other side side were even models Who are? There's a lot of models out there that are scarred and they've had you know thanks to make up and photoshop shop. What have you can have that taken? They don't want that anymore. So we're in this weird thing you know. We're both things are happening. Which people are able to put out the most pristine images images and end versions of their self and other people want to put out the most realistic and And somewhere in between that is the is you know A. I think where we all living on a day to day life on a day to day life. The one thing that I find really interesting is yes so I have not come across. I am someone one who I always think. Would I get rid of these cars. What would it be like to not have them? What would it be like to not have any of them? But it's you know I don't WanNa get rid of the scars. That would be great to go back. I guess and get rid of the event that led to the scars. But if I'm going to get rid of the event that led to the scars then who am I gonna be because is the event has impacted who I am so much and I don't want the event to happen without a scar because then when you have to grapple with the event and not having this external I you know Talisman of healing or finite like a period at the end of the sentence to kind of keep you grounded I I think would be very heart so it continues to be this ongoing project that I'm exploring and it was originally introduced to this Japanese ceramic art called the. Yeah where you know. Basically broken ceramics or put back together with gold resin because the brakes are supposed to be highlighted Laden extenuated because that shows that this piece of pottery or Stranak had a significant event in its history and that makes it more beautiful and I love that idea. I love the idea of trying to think of these things like that. I love that idea to get older and score. It's hard if not the easiest hitting I feel part of like I mean that. Aren't you just described as very old. It's like a new notion thing thing but I I feel like so much of what's going on. In the world and the ability to shiny happy size everything that we are there is this deep learning. That's bubbling doubling ups. Lee Real for a hot moment. Yeah because I'm yearning for that like I want to like. Can I just show you like my my truth. Visually you know and I Kinda WanNa see yours because shiny happy. It's it it takes vulnerability off the table when you take home ability off the table you take genuine the opportunity for genuine connection off the table. Yeah I agree and that's a whole for me. It's the whole point of it. Read the whole point. What's the point of doing stamp shirts? Great to have laughs. You know you. I know you talk about this. Like what's the point of of writing books doing this podcast and for me. It's that connection right. That connection is what drives everything and so I mean I I remember when I was pregnant and I was doing a lot of stand up and I was is doing a lot of standup about being pregnant and joking about it. which you know being pregnant is almost like a prop in itself as you get up there but one of the things that reminded avenue hearken back to the storytelling harking back all these things? You know you need to remind yourself of all. These lessons is that I was getting up there and I was just telling the truth and which is so hard. It's so hard to tell the truth. You think it's easy it's like someone says be yourself. It's super heart do that. That's the hardest thing telling the truth and being yourself. If you think that's easy man let me take your workshop because that is the hardest but when you're able to really hook into its when you cannot cannot fail you cannot fail because no one can look at the truth and you being yourself and just deny that or punish it in an entertainment even save some truth in a relationship can hurt someone or whatever but on stage constructive constructive way. That's right that's right. Great that land there resonate so much with me. This feels like a good place for us to come full circle as well. So hanging out in this container with a good life project. If I offer up the phrase to live a good life what comes up. Yeah what comes up. I think to live a good life is to be surprised by life life every day. I mean that Pos- positive and negative. I mean that because I think once you believe that you've seen all of this before or you've been through all of this before is when you end up in a kind of a Rut but if you allow good and bad routine or what have you to be surprised. Just one tiny thing every day good or bad you can be like. I'm surprised that was so horrible or I'm surprised. That person was so consistent like this you can also do like that but I feel that maybe it's mixed with curiosity that's That's what I try to look for every day instead of. Yeah I think yeah You know we talked about happiness. But I don't think that's the goal. I think that's a hard goal to reach happiness. I think that it's that's a byproduct of of a lot of other things which is are things like curiosity and ability to be surprised and you know love is good too but sneak. Yeah sneak that in there. Okay okay fine thank you thank you thank you so much for listening and thanks also to who are fantastic sponsors. Who helped make this show possible? 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Getting Sued After Submitting A Bad Review!? |EP#44

Paging The Simpsons

31:09 min | 1 year ago

Getting Sued After Submitting A Bad Review!? |EP#44

"What what what happy Friday Friday oh okay I was going to play out yet might pretty low pretty high Dow Gimme a quick doc moment? Oh my cited there so that sounds better. What's going on one house everyone doing? I'm still allowed still feel. That loud base was going on spin spin extra. That's why what's going on everyone. I'm she del Cokes paging the simpsons. I'm joined by my lovely fiance getting something out of my here no I did. You cut your hair Sham Lauren by the way but I was showing up. I got back because bosses coming trying to work for that money. That's what it is. You can work from me too here that so i WanNa talk about something that I thought was interesting so this week <hes> C._B._S.. News put out like a video article. I guess is what you can call it like a article. That's kind of like a video format. I Dunno China and I want to you know it's about five minutes and change and I wanNA play it for you and everyone listening <hes> about this because I didn't know this sounds pretty crazy but you can be sued for posting a bad review. You say that until keep that no I won't be the one post in the battery. I'll be the one suing so quick four even get into like the conversation I wanNa have have with this. I'm GonNa play this audio for everyone. Listening even only do audio of this <hes> and we're going to just listen to this real quick and we're GonNa jump into a thoughts. You could skip ahead. If you don't WanNA listen you know probably about like five five minutes you get ahead from here and all that funds of you. Don't WanNa hear the that like the actual video part their audio part of the news video article. You got us. I believe in new so you can speak English. I can't speak rush so yet. Check this out because I'm this first. Where's that energy? Check it. Out of the story is GonNa like you're gonNA feel this ad for the story of this this one pile oh man but it brings me. It's like another topic winning touch into a moment so so watch this many Americans rely on online reviews to choose a business or service eighty two percent of adult say they read online reviews at least some of the time that's according to Pew Research Center study but posting review could put you at risk risk being sued she G._M.. Consumer investigative correspondent Anna Warner is here with details on that Anna. What do people need to know? A lot of people use this service right and gail posting reviews is second nature for many people nowadays and they have a bad experience with a business up goes the review to share it with others but for one man in Florida what he thought was a simple review turned into a year long battle in court. I never thought I'd be sued over anything I right. There's no reason to say anything but the truth but but Thomas Lloyd of Dilan Florida says telling the truth got him in trouble. His ordeal began when his ten year old poodle rembrandt suddenly fell ill last year Lloyd rushed him to nearby Dilan Animal Hospital where he says he was told the dog needed immediate surgery for what was probably a ruptured spleen. You're going to do this right now and he said yeah but six hours later he says the clinic told him to come pick rembrandt up that they'd been unable to find a surgeon he took the dog to a second clinic but says he was told it was too late. REMBRANDT would need to be euthanized. It isn't like there's a closure. He deserved a chance. They didn't give him a chance. If he had a died on the operating table. I would've understood understood. Afterwards he posted a review on Yelp writing the staff had wasted six hours of Rembrandt's life and destroyed whatever chance he may have had to live. Our rembrandt deserved a better last day weeks later Dilan Animal Hospital and veterinarian Thomas mcphail sued him for defamation alleging Lloyd statements were false and published maliciously and recklessly. I'm finding out that isn't always cheap due to give an honest review because at the other person has money they drive underground when we spoke with him in May Lloyd Twenty Six thousand dollars in legal bills more than his yearly a yearly social security income and he's not the only person who's been sued last year. A New York woman was sued by her doctor for one million dollars for posting negative online reviews a man in Kansas was sued over a three star tripadvisor review of a theme park and the South Carolina woman was sued by a restaurant she claimed refused to honor a coupon. We're seeing arise and individuals being sued for speaking out online Evan miscavige knee works for the Public Participation Project Project and says many lawsuits are designed simply to intimidate. They're called slap lawsuits for Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation. A slap filer doesn't go to court to seek justice they are just trying to silence or harass or intimidate a critic of there's some states have laws against slap lawsuits but there's no federal anti-slapp statute earlier this year the F._T._C. began cracking down on businesses that put gag clauses in their consumer contracts tracks in violation of the Consumer Review Fairness Act F._T._C.'s Carl said Omar. Why is it important enough that the government feels like hey we need to step in sometimes well? The online review medium has has really exploded over the past decade or so and people's reliance on an ability to learn from online reviews has really grown in proportion to that people have stories to tell and they're not able to to get them out because they feel like they're going to be it could have threatened Thomas Lloyd stuck to his guns and countersuit earlier this year to former veterinarians from land gave sworn affidavits saying even though they lacked experience doing the emergency surgery Lloyd's dog needed veterinarian mcphail had declined to do the surgery and instead left for vacation after the Animal Hospitals Attorneys learned our interview with Lloyd the case was quickly settled. They shouldn't be able to try to financially break somebody just because they don't like what you say to land. Animal Hospital is now under new ownership. The new owners told us the lawsuit was filed prior to them taking over veterinarian. mcphail is no longer working at the hospital. He did not respond to our repeated requests for comment for this story. I still feel for Mr Lehne. You can still see his pain and he's just really speaking from what happened in his own experience. You didn't strike me as a militias man. So what can you put. An online. Review can't say anything negative well so here's the thing what they'll tell you. His stick to your own experience don't generalize and say you know this pharmacy is the worst in history and it does this to all these people stick to your own experience that he did though well and yet and and that's the point Caitlyn even if you do do that that's not that doesn't mean that somebody but he can't do you. They can sue you if they want to. Sue opinion protected if you say this is the worst pharmacy of ever been but if somebody Suzhou you're going to have to go to court and say it is my opinion. It is protected potentially now in some states there are these laws right anti-slapp slap laws but the protections vary across the country. There's no federal statute to prevent these types of lawsuits so depending on your state you know might not hurt. It's it it gets into the weeds but maybe you can go read about your own states. I never thought it'd be it'd be saying that but you know let the negative online reviewers have their day you may win but you end up spending a lot and legal fees right potentially and I thank you very much. Did you look up our laws. I'm I'm not going to hold up. I'm not going into that much detail. Look Up to seek as I saw our state is one of them that was hired. Apparently most states are highlight very it's like the abortion law and a lot of states where it's like you can like they all have abortion <hes> laws but it's like okay up to. How many weeks can you like a book the baby type thing so it's like they all very I don't really care to get into the nitty gritty of it because I don't do much reviews but when I found that out I'm like that is crazy because that that story of the Guy <hes> so if you were listening to all you if you weren't let me give a quick recap of like the main story they gave their so essentially this guy's dog had like semester respiratory issue after being like ten years old he bought a I assume it's like emergency animal or whatever it was had an issue? He bought a in hospital then <hes> you know people say hey. We're GONNA take care of it. He you know he goes off assuming they're gonNA take care of it like they'll call him one. It's fixed and the the employees are what was happening between the employees and the doctor but the doctor essentially decline saying he's not doing the surgery and then left for vacation. They're basically saying oh they couldn't find someone to do the surgery and and then it took six hours say that to call this guy and so by the time they went to another it was too late and like the dog wasn't GonNa make it which I think is ridiculous. What takes six hours to make that decision so you're you're just letting the dog sit? There and it's like folks and go make review because Gill that's a good. You don't want anyone else to go off. All you don't want to bring your your dog through that and like had that same situation happened like what duck like literally a matter of you basically killed dog. Does it took my dog elsewhere. It might have had a chance like what you decline and then you go on vacation like Nah. I don't want to help that dog before I had out so then they try and sue them for twenty six thousand dollars a said they try to sweat that it because it was more than he makes a year from social security and I'm like you're kidding me and I get that it's for defamation of character Dev. Here's the thing defamation of character applies if someone is saying something that's not true okay. I think it's B.. S. honestly that someone can that accompany can sue you if it's true. It's not like I understand sure it doesn't look good at it's out there and stuff but it's like you did that you you know what I mean like if I if I had a client and I'm over here and I purposely did like a look that was the exact opposite of anything they wanted and I wasn't willing to change anything and I had an attitude and all that stuff and they went and they reviewed me and they said all that and they gave me one star. I would hate it but like really I put I did that. I can't come back and be like oh well. This is false and you know like so. Let's let me add more to that gives you that bad review and now you start seeing loss of your like Yeah Lost Your Business. WHO's normally coming in? Let's say you know you're getting a lot of people now. It's cut in half you you see twelve people now. You've seen six in a monk or something like like. Would you go to the point of like suing the person for the loss of Ingraham. I don't think I I don't think I would say what I've always learned. There's ways to handle negative reviews online. <hes> what I've learned for marketing strategists is that you do always want to respond to them even if you don't want to you have to respond so that people see that and you have to do it in a diplomatic way. Obviously that's it like I in the thing is to if it is if it's truly a false review some websites will take it down. I know not all because that's part of the problem that businesses face there are some websites that will take a false review down which is really frustrating but if it's not a false like this is how someone fell. It's like okay yeah. You can't take it down the south someone like it's like I give him saying because I see these like when I'm on like Amazon and I look at the reviews or or <hes> what the apple APP store and he's like respond when people are like Olis' sucked. I didn't like it this and that and like Oh. I'm sorry to hear that you know if there's anything we can deal and they put their email like the company email for them to email and maybe work something out. There and I always fun like okay. That's cool. I've still slightly hesitant to work with you. Buy Select that. You're like pine to people and trying to reach out in some way. I want to add to this because I don't know if you know I'm going with this but ah like your touches on the dog thing where like one on vacation we had someone watching her dog or a company more so washing our dog and things weren't great and I was like leave a bad review and I'm like when it came to my mind when I when I saw this and I'm like I wonder if that not that it would happen but imagine that like everything were saying is true because we also had someone that. was you know stopping in to see the dog that was outside out of that company and it's like everything is true. We we also have like cameras around. We see what's happening. We Save the footage. We're not making anything up but the fact that you know let's say you have been more money to stretches is out like what what are we did. That's so interesting and it's funny. How like once a C._B._S. and the the guy we're like doing this interview <hes> the Animal Hospital like they were quick to settle with this guy? I'm like you shouldn't have sued in the first place like what and it's like that doctor doctor doesn't get higher to any animals but will like he should isn't a license or whatever you will now all that it's been on C._B._S.. It's it's public knowledge so I would assume that anybody researching him. That's thinking of hiring him would see this only think we google orbit person. Did we know I'm saying hiring so a vet clinic thinking of hiring him as Google people. I assume I you know I don't know how companies do you laugh. They actually look you up on facebook twitter everywhere so they say that do they really I believe so. I don't believe all the not all oh my gosh. It's not all but like I'm just saying it's out there but yeah I mean the reason I didn't review. You have a battery for that company was because it's tricky because I have a professional relationship with the owner so <hes> it's one of those that's like weird and I didn't know exactly how to go about it <hes> so I just let it be but we're not it using them again. We're going on our honeymoon and we're not using them for this time so you know even though I still review then you can you personally. You can have your name on it but I don't tail or yeah obviously sow in. I don't know like have this the back my mind now has me like hesitant like review places like of course everyone has a yelp and I'm sure we've all done our review on Amazon or whether it's good or bad we've done it and like I think there's a time like longtime ago like I was a every now and then I would like do yelp review for what they're please. Go to bed. Mike Yeah I mean I've done a good amount of yelp reviews honestly. I don't think I've really he done done any bad reviews. Honestly I gotta go on Scrub Them. The thing is though what stinks about our world. I think they said your ten times more likely to leave a bad review within a good one will yeah so the hard part for business is when someone leaves a bad review. It's really hard like if you were at five stars. It is so hard to make your rate and go back up now. That's the thing that hurts is. Do you work so hard to get a perfect rating or a near perfect rating and then one review could literally just bring it down so much like I'm big on looking at like the APP store because of course we're on a phones all the time I look at the reviews for these APPS and I'm like even like the really popular upset. Everyone likes. They don't have a five star at four point five. I don't even think I'm more so time. Actual businesses like this vaccinations. Hold up no but you know what I mean like yelp Google facebook those places that you reveal like experiences services. I can't think of like a place that's like amazing that people would give like a good review to where because I feel like everything has it's like issues and like for example lady showed a quick wine where like a lady got <hes> sued because <hes> she left review what was it what do you call it. It was like she had one coupon or she couldn't. She couldn't use coupon there. We go and that reminds me of like if I posted on like a your view authority like everything was great you know gate my experiences good molly issue. was you know there was a coupon that I normally was able to us at you. Know the target in this town when I go over here this things that's ridiculous. You know what I'm saying like. It's like you said that he went to target and you're like it was great but they didn't have the one soap I needed and I'm like really but that's the my thing it's something that's so small because that's the thing like this guy us doing review for his dog like it's it's it's major impact. Is Life expecting you to get a lawsuit from. He's not saying he will. He thinks about the place but it's like it's his experience. It's right but that's more warranted versus like if someone's upset over a coupon honestly that person shouldn't have even left that review in the first place. Probably it was probably ridiculous. There's certain things because people are people there are certain things that they will leave bad reviews and it's really not that bad idea what you mean but I should not be sued over my review. No matter how do you I honestly. I don't really get that. Get what you're saying if I have loss of income and that's like a very real thing but at the same time I'm like I've seen this I've seen it with you like youtubers. I've watched where it's like do like some video and like who may not like the video they did so app him like a copyright thing and like are true something like one of their Israelites Disney and your videos like email you reach out and say hey cease and desist on its video if you don't like I've seen these begging force course with youtubers where like it all out on video because it's like you're trying to bully me true and it's wild like I was trying to figure out what they're saying was in the contracts that you can't a gag thing that you can't put put in the contracts or something because I'm almost wondering I wanNA look that up. I'm wondering if the establishment is putting something in their contracts that further like we all know that the contracts protect the business but I'm wondering if it's something so like some kind of loophole that really screws the customer or something because here here's comes down to two. Isn't this supposed to be freedom of speech well. That's the thing in a review is using view like yeah. It hurts pitcher brand but it's like it's just my experience there so like normal. You're not telling something false because I don't know I'm wondering how that all works legally because isn't that part of your speech thing because I don't think it matters at the end of the day it matters about who has money yeah who has the money to carry us on until I just drag it out because it's like nasty divorce I forgot but I've seen some youtube reduce probably a few months ago where he had this Nessie back and forth with felt like it was apple her someone where it was just like China bully me and my Laurie saw me a like I can do this. I can't do that like certain things just to put it out. It's kind of like when we have the car accident and they told hold us through like we could settle or we could go to court but we're probably not gonNA get much more because in the end it was kind of like we would drag it on but it wasn't gonna like you go anywhere else. Really it's really really right. Is it worth the time and effort and money to with a lawyer and like all that and that's a lot of yeah sure that insurance company 'cause. I'm assuming we would be going against them. They have the money to just like a right. We're GONNA just chill we get 'cause I feel like I'm pretty sure with the lawsuits. You have a certain timeframe so it's like right. I can keep holding this out until like certain day in like okay. We're still deciding drag it out and you still paying your lawyer work on this like it just blew my mind. I wanted to talk about this for moment because it just referenced that whole like thought we had her dog and we weren't in the the we we were on vacation and we couldn't do anything about like the thing she was going through and it's like you're so upset and you want to make sure no one else is going through having like the bad experience with their dog. Did we ever say what happened own. If you want to get into it I was trying to very vague but if you're trying to get into it okay we could be vague out of respect for you so if you want to get into it's fine that's fine it. Just it was stuff though that shouldn't have habit like they didn't abuse her. They didn't like her like do anything like that. It was just not what we signed up for and they didn't do something. They should've had wishlists here so if I give my I if I get my mom or your mom are baby. Let's see we had a kid and I'm like hey the baby in eastern time you know poops however many times throughout the day just make sure you clean it. Everything's good and if I. If I if we get back from our night or to our wherever fat and yeah we find out like they didn't do it correctly and we like literally labeled things out where it's like the baby needs to do this has to do this. Look we're telling you because we're we were useless and it's not hard stuff. It's nothing complicated and we're paying. Give me money off of this and come back and we find out what's not it's not done in like I'm not sure how common rashes on baby I assume your daddy bad like say the baby half the time that would be found a rash on the baby and it's like ours yeah. Let's let's similar to like what happened with the dog slightly less fake for you guys uh-huh just yeah it was stupid and we were you can see the freaking camera in our house right. They're not tiny you can see that staring at you. It recorded everything while we were gosh coming over also like just should be out of the mid day with my friend fully come on now. We told you everything happening. You know what to expect. I don't know so that was irritating. I'm curious no oh anyone is like if anyone has similar experiences and held off to share these like on the next episode like I'm sure a lot of you probably all you have not been sued for review if you have you send a voice message through anchor the next episode and talk about it because that'd be so interesting to dive into but I'm I'm kind of curious about everyone's like dots on this. I don't know I go back and forth because I'm like I get it like where you're coming from. If you lose incumbent at at the same time first of all doesn't it still not look good for your business to sue someone. You know what I'm saying. It's isn't a public record. We know about this one because he reached out I feel like it's probably like you'd find that out like what if they look up my business name and then the first things that are coming up our articles of how I sued someone polices and make your own post on right so but still so there's that part then there's the part of again as the consumer. I'm like yeah. I'd want them to know too. If you killed my dog I want them to now that you like neglected my dog and basically you know screwed his chances of of living like a sound like I wasn't going to pay for the surgery like you know what I'm saying. I don't know I just want that part again. The guy does client to help the dog out and left on vacation. He's like screw this. I'm going on vacation. Yeah hope you get trapped in the Bermuda Triangle Hake what my God what like that makes me really nervous. Because could you imagine like I think about that too. When we go on vacation again? God forbid anything happened. A missy in the pet sitter has to bring her like to the vet and that's like a lot of trust to make sure that the vet and the pet sitter doing what they need to to make sure she's taking care of when we're not here and like like you know you never know how serious it could be so that's terrifying yeah like I said I'm curious now. Everyone's thoughts on this because when I found out that that's some that can happen. I don't really care to dig deep until I can get law. I just think it's stupid because there is freedom of speech and there is you the whole point of reviews is you're supposed to be honest and you're supposed to have the ability to do one through five stars and talk about it. That's the whole thing every site you go to. That's it. We're getting more into digital. Age and people like most of their like parents which I get. I completely understand but again the way that then you can't really do anything about it. You know what I'm saying like. If it's a false review because really there are websites that will not take false reviews down which I think is ridiculous because some of these false reviews can completely ruin a business and that's not fair we used to be able to sue those people but shrew reviews you like I pass like there's been like whenever like those crazy like racist people come out with videos like we find out where they tell someone hey speak English in America type thing but like therapy I know friends who've had people review their business business that literally of never used their business. They don't know who the heck this person is. They're just out for them. Leave about real and then now it like facebook or something will not delete it. They've had re restart their cage and everything and I'm like that's BS. Yes it's tough. I've worked so hard over years to get these reviews. I would not want to start. I can understand from those companies with like. They don't know what's Foshan. What's real because how how do they know unless it's something totally extremely it's like I like you're you're saying you're even know like something totally off the wall? I don't see them removing anything unless it's like that crazy <hes> that's why I gotta add for this. I just had to share this with everyone. I just WanNa get everyone else's thoughts. Watch with your reviews now bit hesitant like mark making reviews on companies yelps and trip visors and all that stuff. I don't get sued Oh man. Could you imagine like the resort. Dominican Republic is like suing people for saying Hey. I know someone who died here now so that's probably the probably getting life views true over sensationalize it because apparently what was it someone had told me the other day that there I don't know their friend or something had stayed in the Dominican Republic resort resort that was linked to the one that had a death like the week she was there so it could have been hurt if it was just things were different and what she said. was you know you come back and someone I'm going to try to file something with some insurance or something and they said it wouldn't go through because believe it or not the amount of deaths they've had this year is less than last year and just this year it's being over sensationalized by media which doesn't surprise me either nonetheless whole other topic. I'm just I'm just not trying to post reviews on places now. I don't do that much but even even more so I'm just like I don't want you to sue me have money. I want you to take a dime from me my time like I don't WanNa countersue. I don't WanNa be sued. This is why folks if you're a business. It's very important to be an l._l._C.. I don't WanNa Wannabe Your Business. Not Take your home exactly the other way round. You're screwed if you're a consumer. I don't know what to tell you there. Make a business this one up. I WANNA everyone starts. <hes> some email voice message through anchor <hes> played on the next episode man but that being said stay safe felt there tempos any bad reviews. They'll get you oh he she come watch out for she'll to you. Owe you see your domain data without being so we're.

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052220 Total Recall

Ace and TJ

23:15 min | 5 months ago

052220 Total Recall

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This is the act J. totally call jest often. We allow you to be anonymous on the eighth and Tj show because it the show better if you feel safe in sharing your information. Today's no exception. Today's edition of total recall feature. Something called the anonymous parental apology and it is epic. That's going to happen as we step into the time machine for total recall we've got the biggest no-show his these terrible terrible is in their great but they're also terrible today with Dale the lake with TJ on Total Rico Basin. Tj's total recall podcast. Yesterday something huge happened for me. That's what's good My wife Jo Bay texts me and said You if you want to stop by the store and get the Kayak that you've been wanting and that'll be your father's day gift okay. That's all because yeah because she she wouldn't know exactly what to pick out and it needed to be taken away in my truck who infant her car so I did. It was all excited. Got Home put it in the water. It's one of those Open kayaks not the kind that you fit your legs down into and earning you may know. Why got that kind because you're claustrophobic? You don't have in your legs that fits around you that about most importantly because I won't my legs to get Tan. Oh I don't want I don't want him covered up and I'm not doing real kayaking like rapids and that sort of thing I'm just Either doing it for a little bit of cardio workout or going out as an escape to get out into the peaceful part of the lake and just hang out by myself. Well I got out there yesterday I was enjoying a loved it because I have a paddleboard. Do that too. But this is a different thing and I had I had packed too much stuff on it actually because You know I wanted to take some calls and we out. There weren't take some drinks. I have my little my little flotation belt thing that I had with me and and all of that and out there. It's red in color so you could see it. Easily and out of our cove was soon as I paddle down a little bit. Get out into the open water and in the middle of the day in the middle of the week. It's peaceful out there. There aren't any boats or anything around usually Now on the weekends it's different story. I wouldn't do because it'd be too dangerous out there without the boats in the crazy party people a mine amount business right sitting there minding my own business. I got my little waterproof speaker going enjoying life. I'm thinking this is so great is his peaceful and I love this thing and I'm glad I got it happy father's Day to me and I hear a wave runner coming. No BIG DEAL SIA common. Most of the time they go on about the business just having fun. This wave runner had a a teenage girl Drive again and one on the back of it I hear them start laughing and heading straight toward me full speed causing all kinds of wake trying buzzing by that little kayak trying to tip me over laughing with each other. I know they're thinking old dude. There turnover turnover. Look how this stuff. He's got it in their living. And there's like a homeless person and a Kayak. Just you know it's a boat so it's technically so it's not like a paddleboard would have been a lot harder to stay on and everything but it was already windy because the storm was was a bruin and I mean they thought that was the funniest thing and I was just like that I was like felt like that old. The old homeless guy or something that the the drunk college kids pick on. Yeah you know like okay. It's all fat guy out there. Look at it. It's tie Kayak who one step away from Ya. I oughta get you. You know one of those old man things. How close did they come to the Kayak far from here to the ROB's over there just that fifteen fifteen to twenty feet and sideways? It caused that. Wake come across just brass see. I didn't have the same reaction that my wife had when I told her the story. Oh she laughed until I thought she was gonna going to have a hernia. But that's not cool. I guess he's picturing being me in a in a little red guy but that's not the way a good citizen on the water and I'm sitting there going the more I would get upset about it. The older US seemed. Because I'm like I wish I could find out who their daddies. I wish I knew them. I call her daddy rain. They need a good whooping. Were making my day. Nobody would have done that. We respect respect me. You know you know that in my regular clothes I look a little bit cooler than your average guy my age but in in a swimsuit in a Kayak I look like the guy on the beach with the metal detector the socks this is the ace and Tj. Total recall podcast. So there's an article written called the one thing. I love my daughter about its on on L. Magazine's website a lady basically describes living in L. A. And being very vain talks about having all these cosmetic procedures on a regular basis to have fat sucked out of various places on her body that she says she doesn't tell her seven-year-old wash bandages all. The time doesn't want her to know that she's wearing cosmetic procedures so she tells like she was injured doing different things helping people. I can appreciate that. You don't WanNa maker thank you have to change yourself happy and look and sometimes you just have to lot of kids just a fact of life once you become a parent us. That sometimes lies are necessary. Evil they're not even evil. I'm all about that. I have no problem. Line the kids when it's necessary. It's closed right now. I don't know they're just closed are closed a lot. Not those kinds of is. Oh that's just me I think my kids would several years before They realized that it wasn't The mom mom didn't have a stomach surgery. That mushy was in bed that weekend. Oh there were no. They didn't enhance her stomach difficult to explain. They weren't John Tried to play. It would've been fairly young though. Yeah yeah because our our twins are over ten years old now may seven seven years on kids who have been young out of there before that twins being the enhanced but so sometimes as a parent you have to lie to your child Let's go the other way with. We're calling at ace and TJ's anonymous parental apology. We don't need to know anything about you. All you need to do is right now. Apologize to your parents for whatever the Lai is that either is currently going on. Are you kept going as a kid by? Hey Mom and dad. I am sorry that I was the one that actually burned down the patio or the port back torch and it wasn't a bolt of lightning. That hit the backboard while you were gone. Whatever the case may be or. I'm sorry that I made you think I had mono that'd be. That'd be an example. Yeah you can be completely anonymous. We won't say your name and all you have to do is just what's your anonymous parental apology. Mom and Dad. I'm sorry Blah Blah Blah and. You're done quin her mono used to keep you out of school automatically. I mean they didn't play that I don't know if it's still a thing but my my my brother I think pretended to have mono just because one of his friends died of having mono and a ruptured spleen. He thought he could get some time out of school. That's true store I didn't have. I didn't have a lot of with a kid that I didn't yeah added to have. It lies either one of the the one of the Times that I really tried the Lai Lai no that she knew I was lying and she knew that I knew that she knew I was lying. Machine didn't know that you knew that she knew kind of we're GONNA walk away from this one but we're both gonna look the other way because you're a good kid rock let it come on. Let's be clear the only person in this room who really has anything to anonymously apologize to their parents about. It's that's true. Come on very let's get right to the muster knows lines though. I think anything I really was lying. She probably knew just was like well because her parents in the towel at the point where they knew or not. It's your put. It's your time to apologize for the goofy things trail. I am sorry that I had not been to bed yet when I came home at seven in the morning. And you asked me if I'd been to bed. Roll my eyes edge. Be Quiet mom going to my room. I got a picture. Be Coming in at seven o'clock a mob say. Have you been bed yet? Am I response being be quiet? I'm going to bed and heard not possibly hitting me was up just like mom. I'm going to my room alone. God why did I want my life? Cente- Jeez you cannot be prepared for what's coming up next with the conclusion of the anonymous parental apology and the biggest. No show heartbreaking and wildly entertaining all next on total recall F-. Tj's total recall podcast. This is the total recall. Podcast subscribe nowadays. Tj Dot com the TJ APP or through iheartradio. More of the total recall. Podcast after this. You'll love clothing from our friends at two. Tulips DOT COM collections. Include dresses accessories. Mommy and me and more get ten percent off right now at two two tulips dot com again. That's two tulips dot com. When you look at your current bathroom do you know that? It needs an immediate update. We want you to know about one day. Bath and shower remodeling with prices as low as one hundred ninety nine dollars per month. Call eight hundred nine four eight five seven four nine eight hundred nine four eight five seven four nine. This is the ace and TJ total recall. Podcast paid Lauren. Welcome to the and TJ show. How are You I am twenty six? So how long have you been keeping the secret from your parents Since I was about ten about sixteen years. And what is the apology that you owe them? I WANNA apologize for faking my eye exam when I was an elementary school. Why would you do that well? I wanted to wear glasses because everybody else had glasses. And I thought that was the coolest thing ever and what did you get him idea? And now I have some of the worst vision ever and I have to wear contacts and glasses. Twenty four seven. Your is because of the glasses. Yes wearing them. And I'm just now able whether stabilized where I can get laid vision that'll change your life. Finally that's amazing. Yeah the whole thing the whole thing just to get glasses and now you have messed up are you did go mess up. Your is sight to the point. Where now you have to have you give terrible vision. When I was a kid everybody wanted to wear fake glasses but they fake. I mean we had I wore on my best friend more some and they were just clear. Glass glasses look. After I got the glasses he later had braces. So I was braces and glasses. I was kind of made fun of thanks Lori. Thanks so here's. Akc WELCOME TO THE IN TJ show. So you're twenty twenty-six. How long have you been keeping this secret from your parents? How thirteen so ever since then. Okay for thirteen years. You've been keeping this. What is your parental apology? Mommy my mother and that would be for lying to her about a page took out of my agenda and a special note to a girl in school about meeting me in a bad play piano principal. Got Hold of IT I. I told her mind and the only way I get away with as I knew what I was getting in trouble for so I asked my buddy for his agenda which still had to page in it and I said that this was mine and the kicker of the story is I personally gave her the note and then ended up in the principal saying gave it to him way. But you've got Alabama I I got out of it You know I got. I didn't get in any trouble at school or at home but I don't think my mom ever believed me but I had some fake prove. So what choice did she has? Thirteen so like conniving. And that's exactly what you do when you're thirteen. Thanks Kate Crazy. I'M GONNA blow your mind craze. A anonymous parental apology from twitter. I apologize that the prayer box necklace I got Mexico and wore around my neck and college was not for prayers. It held just enough coke crazy night out. Oh Gee thankfully that time of my life is over and I apologize never heard of that slow some sort a little box on the neck like a lock. It you weren't putting prayers in it. You were putting that sweet white party powder. Don't start sweet. Yeah I I don't know I don't know if sweep not good party. Power AIN'T GONNA buy honest parental apology. Mom and dad keep going. I broke my arm playing gymnastic to the top of the swing set. Like you told me not to. I told you that trip to try to run inside because I didn't want to get in trouble Well let's Oh man. Hey Sean. Welcome to the and TJ show How long have you been keeping the secret Round your okay? And what is the your parental apology? Sorry the shower doors you. What did you tell them happened? I told him I tripped on the soap. And Kid in it so I'm going to guess that the reason you lied was because there was somebody there with you and that's how the shower doors broke courage. There you go there you go. Thanks Shaw leave. I got it got it. Parents got something to say about these doors and broke. It must be rich. We never had a shower door. Yeah a seat was curtain. Always a card. He's come with doors. Slider is more annoying because you had to go under it and step over. It was so much like a little closet. Two doors that will could cross each other but the towel rack with an get jammed up depending on which way you're going. I can't ever figure out how to get into where the tile supposed to pick a handle on each side of the door you can sign him at least one of them handle on it because I can't say that a little one but then you'd have to duck your head to get in the shower and then also step over the tub because the door was it was still a tub but instead of being in curtain really. Yeah must always be like limescale. Hold to clear. This is the ace. Tj totally goal podcast. What was your biggest no-show event? Here's a good one. This isn't me but my ex husband. He was a big no show for my kids childhood. Oh I just made that up because I wanted to hear y'all go. Oh yeah made it Larry's You know p Nobrega person's not going to be that clever I'm a profession now. I'm kidding all of you are very funny ladies. I'll look very slim today. I love you all how about this. One guy says went to a new job showed up for the first four hours went to lunch. Never went back ask a lot of. I didn't even ask for the four hours of pay. Nor should you just chock it up as loss walked away Kaylin I had he or she thinks they're doing them a favor them for those. Ask for them for hours. No problem Caitlyn that had a college course with four exams. I forgot about exam number three. It was too late to drop the course so I know show the fourth exam. Oh you're kidding well. Why not what I get your point though. She forgets about exam number three and fails it so she's already failed the class. What is the point of going and taking a task made as on the first two and a and a on the fourth one she? Yeah you're right normally be maybe work your way back. But if you're on number three she made see or my on the first nine. So let's see so. Obviously you were a no show or your hair appointment this week win. I was no. I'm kidding show for the shampoo this morning. Cma that up to because you're a vision. I wouldn't say that if you if you weren't pretty like if you really had messed. Pero and say. Hey Chris Oh and Birmingham. Welcome to the show. I couldn't love how Excited Yorker Chris how are you? I'm twenty four okay and win to the no show occur February oh just recently. What did you know show? Yeah it was a concert that one of my good friend and I was really looking forward to. We bought the tickets and like November. We were so excited and she started going out with this guy that I absolutely hated. I couldn't stand him and she wound up biting him to the concert and couldn't stand being around them together. So I know went out the money on the ticket. Yeah and did you not tell her I made up an I? I made up an excuse. Like hey I have a headache or something. You can give my ticket to someone else. Wow Oh you hated that guy. I do not married already out really long story. Do not hang out with her. At all. I hang out with their every once in a while and of course he's always around so I just kind of Grin and bear it but I use to date him. That's why you don't like him he. He used to have a crush on me and I thought he was weird so he went and like hopped around with a couple of other girls and then he latched onto her and she said no for forever and then I guess you finally caved in. He crushed on you. Real good. Tj total recall. Podcast is new at noon every day. Subscribe now I tunes. Hey it's going and WanNa make sure you know about the Hampton Inn and suites South Park in the completely renovated lobby fitness and breakfast areas. Just call seven zero four three one nine fifty seven hundred to book your reservation or newly designed conference room that seven. Oh four three one. Nine fifty seven hundred. Hi I'm Bobby Barber independence since he director. Do you love SPA? Soft fragrances and beautiful home decor than hurry over to my website smells just right dot com and look at our new. Himalayan salt warmers. They're available in your color choice. Pink or white or hey go hidden get both right. 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Bob Lonsberry Show 8-17-20 Hr 4

Bob Lonsberry

28:52 min | 2 months ago

Bob Lonsberry Show 8-17-20 Hr 4

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It's a flat out beautiful day for a radio program I see here Victoria freely over the Democrat and chronicle who Is just an exceptional person and an exceptional reporter and she she she graces the earth wherever she goes at any rate She and others have been looking at this matter of the the man in August to our guest in just a second Anthony love a parolee accused of of murder and manslaughter in the death of a little three year old boy by the name, a Chimera Marshall here's a tweet from Victoria Fraley? Quote court documents allege that Anthony Love abused Kameri Marshall Between July first, and eleventh as he was acting as a caregiver among his injuries, a ruptured spleen pelvic fractures because the seriousness of his injuries, the boy suffered blood loss and went into cardiac arrest. ruptured spleen, of course, occurs as a result of Traumatic. Injury the blunt force thing to the abdomen and and you know how do you break the pelvis of a child and and the little boy bled out and died of of cardiac arrest ultimately, and if forgive me for. Mad heartbreaking. News. But that's the crime that this parolee is alleged to have committed and the policies of your state government marching to a progressive tune a turned that man loose and if in fact he is guilty of these crimes That contributed to the death of this little boy and the hell and misery through which he passed as he was abused allegedly by this man, we are joined by Senator Pam helming good morning Ma'am welcome to the broadcast. Good Morning Bob. Thanks for having me. Let me ask you on the issue of parole. 'cause you know we had this thing we just spoke about in the city of Rochester five people shot down Saturday night allegedly one of the people involved there a parolee is there any chance that parole can be adjusted somehow some way same by talking about that tightening that up. Bob I gotta be honest with you first and foremost all. Say just listening to your report about the young boy and what that parolee put him through. It's it's sickening. It's disgusting and we have got to make changes in this state. And if we're going to have changes made people to get out and they need to vote in November another of this progressive BS. About protecting the criminals, we've gotta take care of victims. We've gotta be stronger advocates and speak out for victims whether we're talking about the horrendous act what happened to this young boy or whether we're talking about what happened to the seniors living in nursing homes or the development of disabled living in group homes enough is enough. We've got to focus on victims and victims, rights and protecting people. Screen send Japan helming. I saw on the news here Ma'am that you are spoke at that big back the blue rally over the weekend I wonder if you could tell us about the rally, tell us about what you said in your thoughts on that general subject please Ma'am. I guess again, my primary message was letting law enforcement know that we have their backs that we support them and also I think the sheriff your verts made a good point. Is that look? In every organization, there is the opportunity to make improvements and to make changes and every officer should be held accountable for his or her actions but to put down an entire group because of the actions of a few, it's not right and it doesn't matter whether we're talking about law enforcement, the medical field education, whatever it is. So the message was again listen if you want to see changes in New York state the way to do that is get registered to vote and get out and vote. But. I have to say the over arching message yesterday for me. It was all about patriotism. Bob I can't even describe the feeling yesterday the event started and ended in Macedonian and prayed route was about fifty miles long in town after town after town seeing people, every generation was represented waving their American flags, young children, teenagers, and the veterans in their wheelchairs are standing with their walker saluting these huge flags as they passed it. Just it made me so proud to be an American, and it reminded me of the good that is happening in the The good people that are out there all across this country we don't hear that or we don't see that every day. Right? We hear about the negative but across this country and especially it was on huge display and wing county yesterday there are amazing people being to Senator Pam helming she talking there about the back the blue rally that yesterday went across a portion of the a region as you speak to. I and I presume you hear from sheriffs in your district and you know police officers and such like that. How how do you perceive they are holding up? please. MA'AM I think these rallies really help bring up their their morale. You know yesterday there was a young wife and mother who spoke her name was Mandy. She's the wife of a law enforcement officers and she really brought it all home talking about the realities the sacrifices that the entire family goes through when you have someone in law enforcement and I'd expand that to anyone who? Wears. The uniform are men and women serving in the military etc and she talked about what's important and that is is that their loved one the father the mother whoever it is returns home safely at the end of every single shift and that's really what it's about for those working in law enforcement they've been trained to deal with you know the name calling Some of the hate that's out there. But I, think he's really really help the show them that the majority of the people in this area support them. Center Pam Helming we've had You know here's the last two Mondays having to nursing homes and stuff like that, and if the state hearings, there's also one then evolved maybe hospitals whatever else like that? Do you have any takeaways from those are are we learning things or are they useful? I guess they're useful in my opinion in terms of the public gets to see how the state is withholding information look it's not just me a republican or just not my colleagues on the other side saying that the state is not releasing important information people got to see that and hear that with their own eyes and ears for instance, our Ducker, the Commissioner of Health kept talking about how the state took these wonderful actions to prevent further. Best. In Illinois within our nursing home by supplying millions of pieces vows. PPE The gloves. The mastic CETERA. But he that's as far as he goes, he'll give us a number fourteen million pieces. But when we asked for a breakdown, you know give us a time we wanna see when where those materials distributed and where did they go? How much came upstate I wanNA know my county. How much came here because the reality is Through the end of May, every other week when I was calling our nursing homes are counties who are responsible for distributing the materials. I. Was hearing the same story over and over again Pam we don't have what we need. We don't have enough masks. We don't have enough gloves and the one item especially towards End Of April, May that no one could get where the gowns so the the truth needs to come out and it's not so much that anyone's on a witch hunt or wants to point the finger we need to know where we need to make improvements. So we do better as we move forward. Senator Pam Helming This is like a not question. But as a leader us, sometimes you give advice him saying sometimes you counsel people if I if you're you know you're in your candidate will eighty as well and the situation over the weekend where a candidate go officer, they had to shoot somebody What would you say to that officer and and and then if you turned and spoke to the community, what would you say to the community? Please I would say you know that's an example of what someone who wears the uniform goes through every single day. They've gotTA prepared for attacks on their lives. Here we had. Some. person who was attacking an instead woman with a knife and when the officer tried to stop it allegedly this man lunged with his knife at the officer thankfully, the officer was able to stop him. protect life but I I would say thank you for doing your job no that we appreciate everything you're doing to your family's thank you. We understand the sacrifices that you make and from me as an elected official. Know that I will do everything possible to support you through legislative action through funding in the state budget whatever it takes. Senator Pam helming anything I forgot to ask you going on. We all know about them. Now, today, there is another hearing. It's underway right now it's technically considered a table. So, when we are holding the nursing home hearings in the hospital hearings, they were controlled by the Senate majority primarily the downstate Democrats. So they selected who will testify and who will not, and there were a number of upstate. People who are impacted they lost loved ones to Cova tour living in nursing homes. During this time, they were caught from the witness list. Shall we have them sharing their stories today and from this information we will put together what the next steps are, what our action plan is going to be of standing sitter panhandling service. Thanks for going out there yesterday and thanks for speaking with today man, we appreciate it. Thank you very much. You betcha back in a moment jen listener on Newsradio wham eleven eighty. N-NUM All Song. In. You know man. What King Music like this. I don't want it on Talk Radio Way. Just WanNa, sit listen maybe eat some cauliflower crust pizza. Wafting much cauliflower announcement. Tried another big fan. Bitten. Gentle yes. Up The pizza. So you like the probably, but you gotta come. I'll let. Crust Pizza Okay let's take again. Forget the pizza. What do you think about cauliflower? Cauliflower floor yeah okay. Because I was about to write you off. I'M A fan. Okay well. You could dip a toe floor-length. Good. Okay. All right. I'm trying to go healthy with you. A everything is good with ranch dip on it. Especially, a spoon you know a spare the cauliflower, just get spoon. It. My my kids are that way in my wife I love my wife and she's smart you what Kaci graduated from cosmic. One actually that but it's just all the kids need a vegetable. So she'll get them like those little baby carrots I like those and a couple of bottles of hidden valley ranch dressing whole Gosh right and I think there's a carrot under their. Essentially she's got them drinking. With governors with carrots. Yeah. Yeah and. I. Guess. That's vegetable. here's the thing. Is Good you ever like a As a in addition to like putting dip on it and you do you ever cook it need is. A girl that you've grown up. We had a neighbor's horse get hit by a car one time and half. You Grill okay. I ever like you can also cook it up and make it almost like mashed potatoes. RANDOM LIQUOR IPAD it. So I have not told you this because I'm trying to see I. I've lost about ten pounds good for you trying to diet and I do eat the cauliflower rice. So if low little ADOBO seasoning on it not too bad. It's actually like it I do I won't eat it even if you know even if it had calories. That I can't live. That's good. So there we go have. A piece in the California Valley Dave. I'm glad you phoned up. Welcome to Newsradio wham eleven eighty. You're welcome and by the way I like call for two book with cheese whiz on. Okay. I wonder about the Riley today's they're gonNA be. In my estimation probably fifteen hundred, two, thousand motorcycles phones. And there was probably at least five hundred feet of Coal Fair folks who are the combination of I vehicles. And Fire. It sounds wonderful. Hey, man. Don't you think that's pronounced cheese WHIZ. WHIZ WHIZ. Well how do you pronounce it? I say Whiz Okay I'll have to look it up because I thought. Whiz was something else. Take a win or took me a minute. You know you'll got your. Cheese whiz seems like you should pricey the doctor coming out of the wrong end, right. All right. But no, I guess tease on cough are good to news with Alexa Olson then back on the air with you on newsradio Ram eleven eighty. 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Begins Tonight. I from honestly childhood I can remember being ten or maybe it was twelve F- check the year and a and looking forward to the conventions and sitting in front of the black and white TV to listen and learn and used to be able to do that I've had the privilege over the last twenty five years to attend the political conventions as they've been held. this year if we can be honest with there aren't conventions to advocate invention you have to convene you can't do it. It's not a made for TV special. also used to be you could listen to the conventions and you could learn what people stood for and and what their plans were and I thought that was interesting anymore you go to conventions and you hear how much they hate the other guys so I don't want to engage the how much they hate the other guys I think I know a Democrats think and can Republicans think about each other if there can be any inspiration if there can be any patriotism if there can be any leadership of here's something we can do and your how we do it I'd like to listen to that but Pisani other folks I'm not that I'm not that interested in. It it the number two. So but anyway, Al. so my going to watch I don't know fortunately or unfortunately we normally in a political convention there are people giving talks almost all day every day. And you know very few of them end up on TV. But if you're very interested, you can watch the stream or the feed or you know C. Span will carry it, and if you are very into a party, that's it's fascinating stuff. Now because there isn't an actual convention those all day. Every day talks won't be happening. They're going to have one or two or three made for TV things, and it'll be part of you know some ad in effect that we're going to watch for an hour on the networks, and here's thing I'm not a fan of Alexandria Cossio Cortez. Whatever name is but she's been given one minute. so No one can say anything in one minute and given her prominence. In the party in the last handful of years that's almost an insult. But so that starts tonight you can watch it if you WANNA do or don't know if I'm going to. Second of all, we talked about the postal service at one point it as I look at all things happening in the world right now I I we do have the plague and you know the country's going broke stuff like that people at each other's throats. I it China preparing to nuke as I. Think. I'm not exactly sure that the you know the snail mail is what I'm all that concerned about I you know, and here's the deal. If you think that trump and evil republicans are going to try to screw with your mail in ballot. Well get a mask and go vote on election day and almost every state now has extended voting. So you get ten days or so I think in New York commencing this year literally will be almost a full month of early voting. So get a mask and go to the voting place and cast your ballot right there, and then you know you you you are saved if you think there's an evil. Plot going on with the mail us go to Matt Wilson, who has a stepped in an emergency basis here to run the big show. Matt here. You you probably believe in obeying the law don't you? For the most part I do. See that's that's how I am Yes for the most part Here's the deal. You know chipmunks, right. I do okay. This year for reasons we'll discuss at some future show. They're like the bumper crop chipmunks they're all over. This is like maybe the biggest chipmunk of our lives had you noticed that we ever nice amount of land. In the back of our house and yes, we've seen a decent much. They're all over It occurred to me that as a practical matter, you could trap a chipmunk. In a in a in a trap that wouldn't kill it right right and then you could probably like keeping a cage and feed it stuff right if you wanted to go that route I guess you could yes see that's the issue right there. If you wanted to one, it's against the law you can't own a wild animal in New York not supposed to her. Yeah. It turns out that like chipmunks for America are kind of a new rage pet in England. But. More than half right the queen we might have a chip. But it in the back of my mind is I thought it would be interesting to catch chipmunk see if I can make it a pet. So you. WanNa domesticate chipmunk. Okay I can see one that you're not going to be my part. You don't feel the need. You know. I don't know. Animals that are a nuisance to me I don't tend to make a I don't hate chipmunks. They're cute. But. You know what I mean you know what I'm saying. So so the woodchuck thing is completely out out of the question. Man. I can't do how about people have white mice for pets mice are really bad courses not the you know it's who knows but my are bad. Yeah. I don't see. I don't know. I don't know about what most as a pet either I know like the kids would love a pet mouse were pet chipmunk but I. I like dogs you know. I don't believe in bringing rodents. Okay. All right. Well. So my advice for you was how much of a lawbreaker would I be if I tried to domesticate a chipmunk and make it a pet? I wait. Is it undeniably again? Speeding you don't. You know what I'm saying I'm sure we sure we've all sped once in a while tell that to the DEC when they call me right after today's. People will call me he address score you're gonNA raise it scorer. Come on. You know there's people with pet snakes whatever that probably shouldn't have them as pets that do anyways. Right. So I don't say who are you harming having a pet chipmunk? Honestly you know how are. Against? This shouldn't be. It might be a stupid thing to do as I sent. You believe. As your as your enthusiastic head nodding indicates yeah you. Know. What I would watch you do it and I think reports on how the chipmunk raising. going. Your wife and say, all right. Here's the more Andres. O. Look chipmunk made his fingers. I was GonNa ask you also about smoking something old you know what I did I'm glad I am here today because you asked me last night was here. What's like the next level of smoking brisket? Is that the hard-won drastic launched? That's the long all day hardware. Okay well. Let's step back from that just. Yeah. About pulled pork is there. Is there an easy thing to you? Yeah. Pulled pork is tough to okay it's it's it's not the easiest in the world but if you if you cook it low and slow for awhile, it's almost hard to overcook it. You know what I mean if you cook it low and slow. So you know how you you put the Rub on the ribs. Were you over a little bit if you do it on shoulders, not that bad. You can overdo it on shoulder and it's mess up. Okay. He my son in law is not it's Grill Info, even grilling, but he made a stakes. Or visiting but here's what he did. He you know a stake in my mind you have to have a grill or maybe the broiler in your oven wherever it looks like that. Here's what he did. He he put he put them in the oven with a temperature probe in there and like two hundred, fifty degrees for quite a while until they got to like one twenty or something like that. He said that was the temperature of medium rare. That's right. Then he had a a a a cast iron skillet. I've done the cafes coat with the state before and he just quickly seared it see that's the that's interesting because I've the opposite way usually put any cafe iron skillet. I'll ALZIRA. First. and. Then I'll leave it in the skillet and throw the skill the it but the whole thing in the right right right That's a good idea. Do you do temp put the temperature thing. Yeah I. TRY TO I try to put the thing in the middle of it so you can see what the what the temperature. So obviously temperatures range from rare to well done in all depends on what how you like it so. How do you like it? I probably probably medium right medium. Okay. Okay. Very good. If he said ways when you're forty five, how old are you up forty four donated? Clothing. When we were young people would eat willed on stake sometimes. Yeah. I. Mean. That's like when you went out to the parents that once every three or four years, the old man would get a steak that would be well done. But nowadays known in even if you mentioned it people think you're an idiot because well, unless you like chewing tire I don't know why you would do that. People eat the food that I'm that I'm cooking. Yeah. I. With with beef I think I am. I'm stepping back from rare. You know. So how so how what's your medium rare? Okay. Yeah but it It doesn't need to be cooked. Yeah. Man You can have hold i. don't think is cooked at all you know. They're still move on the plane. Was Good. All Right, Matt Wilson where's your? Where's your podcast again on I hurt inside the merges on Iheart you know that's the company we work for you or. Aren't we grateful for it? That's about Wilson listeners on the loses next to eleven eighty. This is newsradio wham eleven eighty our listeners on the loose with bomb Lansbury on newsradio WAM eleven eighty. Hello your newsradio eleven eighty. 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B&B Postgame Show: Panthers vs Bears

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B&B Postgame Show: Panthers vs Bears

"Sports betting dime DOT COM provides the coverage fans need to bet with confidence every time find the best odds track key trends and make smarter bets on all your favorite sports. Check it out at sports betting dime dot, com. Key. Hello welcome to the BNB reaction show. This is Brian and Brad recapping the panthers bears game today and honestly it kind of sucked. Yes it sucked very much. So the Panthers Lost Twenty three to sixteen. And they were marred by the same red zone problems they've been marred with for the last couple of weeks. Falcons aside, but that's the Falcons and their bad. Overall, the panthers really should have won this game like were it not for? The Red Zone issue is Really, weird play calling in the Red Zone on top of that like it wasn't even just like. They struggled in the red zone it was they. They just they were still were driving well. On the drives that went well, and then like when they got to the red zone, they like almost got in their own way and I don't know it's just. It's kind of mind blowing like I like I like I said, I had a two hundred fifty dollar bet with with billy the bears would win this game but after watching the entire game, I'm still Kinda pissed like the panthers shouldn't. Yeah I mean you have a little bit of a consolation prize but A full credit to the players they have one of the League's best red zone defenses like I'm not going to to pin all the blame on Carolina not being good enough in the red zone. Chicago is actually good. On defense, their front seven is is really good but still we just couldn't get anything going. We couldn't do anything I mean the game. With a loss, one yard loss on a Mike Davis Carey Teddy Bridgewater sack that probably could have been a safety but they ruled him just outside the one yard line and then an interception. Return. To I the six or seven yard line. So and then the bears scored a touchdown light to two or three plays later and We should have known at that point we were in for a long day because that much stuff that goes wrong. That quickly and that close together it just. It was just a terrible day for for Carolina and. I'm not mad that we lost a mad that we lost the way we did because we should have won the game like you said, the defense played pretty well, all things considered. I, mean you know they gave up that one touchdown on a seven yard drive. That's all the field that Chicago had. and. Other than that. I mean we forced them into kicking field goals. We did give up a touchdown in the second half but you know they had to key stops on third down late in the game and they gave Teddy Bridgewater and the rest of the offense to tries at the end to tie the game at twenty three and the offense just choked it away time. So you know you can't really be mad at at the defence I. Did the defense did everything they could have today I mean. At least for. It'd be different if this was a top five like defensive unit as far as. You know like being. Talented and Vaunted, but they're not they're not like, I. think that today's defense was. Like did the best they absolutely could, and there's I don't have any fault for them whatsoever. So I agree there. I, mean, they did this with no K. One short. They did this with Just embarrassed going out early, he I still not sure what's going on mayor he left with an injury. especially. Should not to derail you too hard. But it actually kind of looks it might be some kind of interior injury in kind of scared me a little bit the way he was like his he was steady with his test is ribcage, but he was standing upright and they still pulled the card out for him. Some really hoping he didn't like ruptured spleen or something I'm thinking could be if I'm thinking the best case scenario is maybe a broken rib or something. Because, you know it's almost impossible to breathe broken ribs. So maybe they were just. Being precautious there. That's what I hope. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's the the hope is that something like that? Because we we need him back there in the secondary. But Yeah I. Thought the defense played well I just teddy bridgewater just didn't have it today I mean he just Today was not his day. Well he was sacked four times and clearly Chicago figured out his. Like what he does in the pocket 'cause they sacked him at least once where they knew where he was going to step up in the pocket and they just him. he also had to run a lot. He ran eight times today, which is pretty high for him Overall just the offense just wasn't really clicking but again, this is a really good Chicago defense, but you'd still. They had too many opportunities to to win the game and they just didn't end. That's where I'm at the end they had to try to tries at the end within three minutes to tie the game and they couldn't do that. You know on fourth down Teddy overthrew DJ more, and if he would have thrown that a little bit better, it was probably the game tying touchdown. You know. Yeah, DJ almost made a heroic catch to save the drive, but he just couldn't hang onto it but. Down Yeah I was GONNA say that like if he if he through that a little bit less like a little bit less power on it, that's the easy catch for Dj more at the very least you're in scoring distance again. But That's been the that's been the story I mean for the most part for the panthers offense this year aside from the against the Falcons, which again, they're not a good team. They are not good at scoring in the red zone. I don't know what it is but like they're, they're play calling just like shuts down in the red zone and try fucking crazy I. think it's a combination of two things. One will list exclude Chicago being good at Red Zone, defense because that's part of it today. But as an overall picture of why they've struggled for the last couple of weeks, it has it's not that relevant A. I think it's one. They don't have Christian. McCaffrey. So they can't be creative. Mike Davis isn't as dynamic as Christian McCaffrey Mike Davis is the. The Hammer while Christian McCaffrey is the the more finesse tool and the everything else. Yeah. He's the everything else and Mike. Davis is the hammer that you bring out when you just need to drive a nail and. You know Christian McCaffrey is the Swiss army knife. He can do anything else so. They're missing that that creativity without having him there and I think also today especially, they didn't have Curtis Samuel? You know and I know that you and John Both Hate Curtis Samuel. But I think missing cardis today was a bigger deal than than we want to admit or realize because that's one we to rely on Keith Kirkwood on third down and. Today was his first game playing in a panthers uniform. So I think that had a little bit to do with it too. What else took away from the running back depth as well? Yes we couldn't. We couldn't put her two Samuel in at running back to to give Mike Davis. Breather, we had to use Trenton Cannon and Alex Armagh which there's nothing wrong with those two options, but neither one of those. Curtis Samuel. Specifically, it really came up on the reverse where they ran it to Trenton cannon. I even though like I'm not as high on Kurdistan Mos, I used to be I feel like he would have run that better than Trenton Cannon. Thank you would have gained more than one yard. Yeah. Yeah like. The panthers are Kinda depleted in the running back situation so Curtis Samuel, story Miss Sorely missed in that regard obviously last week he had a couple he had several really big catches on third down You know. It's it's it's. I was kind of expecting better from the panthers offense but at the same time like I, think this kind of measured our expectations of what they are, which is just like a team that plays higher than their than their talent level because of coaching and. The Red Zone struggles decide I mean they stuck in the game with the with the bears for a long time there's five and one, yet there's no pushover they're they're sneaky good this year. So there's no shame in losing. It's just disappointing that we lost the way we did like I mean if the bears have come out and beat the crap out of us I think I would be less upset than I am right now grade we could have an arguably should have won this game. And you know I feel I kind of feel bad for teddy because he had an opportunity to prove that he can be a winner quote unquote and A. Not just a game manager. Jonathan Vilma. Talk about that a lot in the broadcast for somebody. But you know he could have taken that step to prove to a lot of panthers fans that, Hey, he's the guy and he didn't do that today. Yeah, I mean. UNFINISHED I mean this my opinion of Teddy did not change because of one game so. It's unfortunate because it's like the Classic Panthers like Sixth Week Curse where they over the last three seasons they come out. And they like perform expectations and then all of a sudden the national media is talking about him like A. There were tweets out there Teddy Bridgewater was outperforming Patrick Mahomes and like to Shawn Watson, and then this week just like shit the bed. So whoever said that needs to have their credentials taken away because that's ridiculous. Physically speaking he was outperforming Patrick Mahomes on a few different things but. It, it wasn't like a crazy claim. Let me find it real quick hold on Allah. Put that out like if you if you say something like he had a higher completion percentage than Patrick Mahomes. Okay that's fine but. He has had more. At before this week, he had more yard pass yards then the Shawn Watson Tom Brady hit a higher completion percentage than Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers higher passer rating than Lamar, Jackson and more yards per attempt than Patrick Mahomes. Obviously that's going to change after this week. 'cause today was not a great day for Teddy Bridgewater, but that's just to put that to bed. Okay. Okay. That's fair. I mean their numbers. So you know you can't really argue with numbers no matter how much you want to try. You cannot argue with numbers, numbers, numbers, numbers exists numbers a real. Et Cetera but yeah, right. But I think I don't think Teddy showed who he is today I. Think you had a bad day. Well I. Mean it was a difficult day to I mean like. Honestly was. The panthers offense of line kind of like performed better than I would have expected because I, I fully expected bridgewater get sacked more times than he did. Yes, I did absolutely. So. It's one of those things where it's like he was under pressure the whole day, and clearly the bears had some kind of key on what the panthers passing concepts were. GonNa be because there are multiple times where bridgewater had to run it on third down just because he had nothing to go to so. Kudos to the bears defense there. Obviously at you know and I mean it could have been a lot worse. The bear shot themselves in the foot several times they picked off a pass once and it would have been a pick six but they committed pass interference before. The interception happens so we didn't. You know we kept possession that could let the game get out of hand. So you know. I think all things considered. We came out of this better than we probably should have. But at the same time I'm angry that we didn't win. Yeah I mean it's one of those things where it's like. A couple of calls here and there and the panthers really beaten badly today. But also couple balls here and there the panthers could've won this game. So it's like you know and. I'll be honest I I'm glad that I feel like this. It's been almost a year since we've been able to be mad the panthers didn't win. Right. 'cause I mean. They've been pretty bad for. A while. And it's been expected of them to lose. Since what week? Seven of twenty nineteen. Are So, so I, mean I I like the fact that we can be upset that they they didn't beat the bears today. They're better than we thought. The other thing. Too is that there is no game this season where the panthers were competitive. Yes, that is true. We have. We're probably GONNA laugh about this next week but we haven't we haven't been blown out yet But we play the saints next week and then four days later replayed the Falcons again so. this May. This may not age well but. We've looked good. We've looked competitive. Six weeks in and that's more than you can really ask for in a completely new coaching staff you know were building this from the ground up. So being competitive and being at five hundred or two positives that I will take all day. Right. Yeah I mean. It's one of those things where it's like. I think we had some measured expectations going into the season then after Carolina one three straight games that we had like higher expectations and I think that this game kind of like. Pushed it back down to are measured expectations. Yeah. We should be a little bit Hong. Little humble. Now, we should be back to that. We're going to win six games mindset because that's probably where we've been all along. And you know. It is what is AIDS is pretty good. Six Games would be pretty good for this team I mean, yeah. I mean this they won five last year. So winning six would be great. The expectation for me right now is is winning between six and nine games and I think. This guy like the random you know. Football plays where they changed the momentum of the game. Those randomly pick sixes forced fumbles or like. touchdowns by guys like Dj more will. Will dictate the difference between six and nine wins. But overall, I mean I can't be disappointed in. Not Rules team just because like I didn't expect them to win three Games Sloan. Compete in every single game, they've had in the past six weeks so. I. Mean I'm I'm I'm with you there the exact same I will take anything over five and eleven anything better than that will make me happy because. I I'm with you. I didn't expect us to win more than three four or five games and. If we manage to do that. That's a success I. Don't think we're playoff team I don't think we ever were a playoff team so we have to count the little things. And like today the little things we only gave up twenty three points. Seven of those were the first drive where they started at our seven yard line. So I, don't really count that one is like a punt returner whatever the defense can't really I mean it's they only. They didn't have to get a first down so. Little things like that Jeremy Chin showed out today. Yes I. Never. Yeah. Pick. He is more and more with every passing week looking like the steal of the draft like we predicted he probably would be when we drafted him and. You know. Derrick Brown made a couple of Nice plays and I. I'm just in that mode. I'm looking at things like that. I'm not looking at whether we want or we lost unless we're playing the falcons. Because we should beat the falcons because they suck. Cat but I you know I'm just looking at blue things and I. I really liked this team I really like even though we lost I really liked the direction we're going and I really feel like. This could end up being a positive because it's going to give them. A taste of disappointment because you know they the this team is disappointed that they couldn't win this game. Yeah. My flat out prediction right now is that I think Carolina will be in the playoff hunt the. Bottom of that graphic every week from about week ten on. Yeah. Exactly. Like they'll be quote unquote in the hunt for like almost the entire season until like you know. Pro Fifteen or so yeah. Yeah and that's that's a good thing. Even though people are going to be like, Oh, well, they should be able to dry. They should be trying to go for the like top three draft picks but. Everybody on this team as far as like coaches new hires at least as far as like the new hires that matter like Teddy Bridgewater. You know they're all going to learn. From that from that and try to end up. You know like push push forward in those experiences will make them better. Links this team where it's it's not like a dumpster fire like the New York jets like. It's not like also still everything get everybody out like. You need to start over completely like this is not eighteen where they need startup completely what they're doing right now. Is Establishing the building blocks for the future. That's a good thing because that means that they can be competitive next year. Maybe. Even the following year maybe the folio we're GONNA add like forty, five, million dollars. Well, it depends on how it adjusts because a cova. But. We're GONNA clear forty, five, million dollars of dead money off of this, your salary cap. So we're GONNA be able to compete and. I'll take every when we get this year and I. I, get it if you want us to lose every game. So we finished three and thirteen, and we get a top three top four pick I'd get that. That's fine. If you want to feel that way more power to you I, don't I wanna see them when I would be more than happy with them going thirteen and three. I would be fine if they ghost eight eight, I, just want to see them compete and play hard and don't quit. And that's I'll be happy with that. No matter where we pick in the draft because a I couldn't give two shits about the draft and be if you're scouting department knows what they're doing. It doesn't matter necessarily where you pick in the first round because you'll get a good player. If you know what you're doing now rain is granted you'll have less good to choose from the more you win, and there is an argument for wanting a top five or top ten pick. But. You can get your guy at sixteen like Ryan, Burns at Sixteen, you get your guy in that ten to twenty range so. Just play hard and try to win you touched on the exact point. I wanted to hit on. So I don't I don't think at this point that the panthers are like not treating Teddy Bridgewater as a bridge quarterback at this point because no I don't either I think they're treating him as a potential franchise quarterback, right so at that point when you look at the draft. Last. Year they got Brian Burns at sixteen this year they got Derek Brown. Like those are both. Point like I don't think there's any I. Don't think you can dispute the. Derek. Good player at this point like. So, you can find really good talent. There and build your team around it as long as you found your quarterback and. Do I believe Teddy Bridgewater is the next like do I believe he's going to be better than somebody like Trevor Lawrence? I don't know but he's good for this team He made he as he's been making throws all season that are pretty good and you know obviously the shortened offseason makes it. Difficult. To really gauge because there's not as much chemistry as you probably would have developed with four preseason games in the whole off season. But overall I've been really impressive Teddy Bridgewater I wasn't expecting him to come in and. You know kind of make I don't WanNa say forget about Cam Newton but. He's been pretty good. As mad about the panthers leading. He has made it less. Less of a pain that we moved on from Cam Newton and. I agree with you and I don't think I mean obviously Trevor Lawrence is going to be a superstar. Provided he stays healthy I mean as much as I hate to admit it. The kid is dynamite behind under center but. I just. I don't want a losing culture. Anymore I'm tired of of being five and eleven six and ten, four and twelve I'm tired of that Shit. Teddy, bridgewater is only twenty seven years old I mean he if he can stay healthy, he's got another ten years left in him. So. I'd say we just win as many games as possible if we pick eighth, we pick eight. If we pick sixteenth we pick sixteenth let's just see what happens and go get them I. mean there's plenty of good players coming out in the draft we don't have to pick a quarterback maybe we do pick a quarterback maybe teddy is the bridge maybe they want trae Lance maybe they won't Justin fields maybe they don't want Trevor Lawrence because we're not gonNA get him anyway because we're not going to be worse than jets it doesn't matter at this point. What we do the jets are not going to win three games so You know the number one pick is out the window the only hope we can have. If you want a top pick, is that we either two three or four because we're not going to get number one overall And The only other hope you have is if the jets decide they want to keep Sam darnold and they don't want Trevor Lawrence and because it's the jets that is possible. Yep. But the jets are going to start trading everyone has jets. Uniform and even probably people that that just work in the building coming soon because the trade deadline's coming up they're gonNA. Burn it down and just try to get the number one pick so. We might get. One of their defensive tackles like Quin Williams or somebody like that, or we might even get Sam Darnold if we really wanted him. 'cause you know they're going to burn it down anyway. Yeah they're just they're not a great team and it's it's very nice to be on not that side of the of the coin as yes. It's handle much better. It's so much. It's it's more enjoyable for me to do this job right now than it has been in two years. Because I don't feel obligated to watch them. It's actually enjoyable to watch than put on competitive win or lose its own to watch and I hope that continues. Yup the only thing. I have is red zone performance but. They can. That's something they can. Hopefully figure out. After some trial and error. So but this was the really like this is the trial season for the panthers so You know there's really I for me like after winning three games like I really can't complain what they win Zero Games going forward or they win like. Six seven eight maybe even nine games you know like for me, it's all just trial and error it's just A. The Matt rule trial. Trial Flyer I guess yet the free trial period, we haven't bought the subscription yet exactly. So. I don't know I mean today's sucked I wasn't happy about it but at the same time, you know it's It is what? It's week six of Matt rules debut and Carolina's and in the NFL. So. These losses are going to happen and they were competitive at least so. I can't beat. Yeah same here I mean as long as they don't quit. I'm fine. And they're. Going to based on. The way they've been playing. Since Christian McCaffrey we. Here. Still a tough ass football team so. Hell Ya. Es Team So. I don't know if you have anything else but I'm probably Yeah Well Thanks for checking in with the BNB reaction show this is Brian and Brad, and we'll talk to you next week after hopefully the panthers win. But maybe not it's it's against the saints I'd really like even though even if they don't want a single game this year of the plane, the saints, I would really enjoy watching them leading the voice. especially, the Teddy Bridgewater revenge game it would just be so fucking Nice. So yeah. We'll be here to really gloat if they lose or I should say if the pants beat the sand, but if not, we'll be here to give our objective takes so. Check in with us. We'll also have the keep sounding podcast later this week and will continue our pregame postgame coverage. So check us out stay tuned stay safe and stay healthy. Later, guys. This week show is brought to you by sports betting dime dot com your source for the latest odds betting trends, matchup analysis, and advice. 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Don't Give Up | Hal Elrod

The Good Life with Stevie & Sazan

1:22:32 hr | 1 year ago

Don't Give Up | Hal Elrod

"Thank you for listening to this podcast one production available on apple podcasts and podcast one. Have you ever felt like you've wasted your gifts. You felt like I have so many things I could do so many things that I'm I'm good at or maybe have one thing that I'm good at but I haven't done anything with yet today. Fam- I wanNA encourage you and tell you that your gifts the your time have not been vein and it's not too late for you that you can start today. You can start working on your goals. You can start moving forward today and on today's episode says on and are going to share some of the struggles. We've been through to get to where we're going but also we have an incredible interview with Hal elrod. A man who is actually died before Comeback Act to life told he was never gonNA walk and eventually learn how to walk. He's got an incredible story but more than that he's not just surviving. He's thriving and living miracle life and he's GonNa share with you his keys on how to do that and how to actually achieve your goals through through his book the Miracle Equation. I'm telling you guys. It's something you do not WanNa miss an incredible story like I've never heard before and then also at the end of the episode guys I encountered something this week that was really out of body experience. Something admits <hes> pretty crazy and I can't wait to share it with all at the end of this episode now before we get into that of course we got to have a word from one of our good life sponsors here really quick so as you guys know. You've probably heard US talk about before on the show about Sun Basket Sun basket is a company that simply makes it easy for you to enjoy what you like in the simplest way possible if you haven't heard talk about sun basket before they have Paleo carb conscious gluten-free Mediterranean diabetes friendly so it doesn't matter whatever you're into. 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Only some exclusions apply see store for details with the capital one saver card you earn four percent cashback on dining and entertainment does that include dinner at that new French place yup four percent cashback there how about bowling with my friends four percent cashback on that too nice and that'll be a rewarding weekend 'cause when the capital one saver card you earn four percent on dining and entertainment so when you go out you cash in capital. What's in your Wallet Terms Apply Capital One Bank U._S._A._A.? WHAT'S UP FAM- welcome back to another episode of the Eli Hooky all having amazing morning afternoon night whenever the heck you're listening to this baby girl? How are you doing? We're back in Austin now. If you're wondering where have we been we've been traveling back and forth between Dallas Austin so teen are back with the Hubby and data reunited and if feel so good oh man it's been so weird bouncing around. I mean you're in Dallas. I was in Austin. I had sweetie. Oh you had teeny I mean we've all been separated but Dang. I missed you. I missed you in the fact that we're doing this episode right now. Let us just paint this picture. You guys we've done the good life now and all sorts of places we haven't done in our car yet but career currently doing this episode in Steve's Mom's one of their guest rooms in the house and we are literally in a corner of the room like right next to the comforter because it it's a great sound blocker and we're just like curled up next to each other. Doing this episode sound really weird though because it's like we're in our late twenties doing a podcast in my mom's house in Bedroom. It's like no. We promised where we're still waiting on the hassle. We're doing podcast in my mom's room. It's like Oh wow good for you. That's nice graduation I now did you. Did you ever good week baby while we were gone. You know what it was a weird. It was a weird week wasn't a bad week. It wasn't a great week. It was kind of really strange those weeks. That kind of feels like it's almost like you feel like you have so much zoo yet. You don't want to do anything and then when they get your to. Do you like why just did everything. Why do I still feel like I need to be doing more? That's how I felt yeah. That's exactly how I felt. I feel like there was things I had to do and I got them done and then I was like so what do I do now. Yeah and you know everybody else. All the people I know here are working during the day and when I finished my work I just kind of like now way and there was like this blank space that I didn't know what to do with it was weird and I was trying to think of things to do like how can I get ahead right now and it was almost like God was just like dude just chill. I know I actually ironically felt that same way. When we came back yesterday to Austin you know Siemian I I feel like after teeny went to bed and after we hung out with his family we always like to spend a little bit of time before actually turning out the lights and going to bed just like talking and that was really the first time bay? We got to like just catch each other up on the week because even though we talk every single day a even when I was in Dallas and you were here it just like we don't we weren't seeing each other every day so all the little details some of the things that we were going through. I feel like we didn't really have a chance to actually talk. You know what I mean. Why why was there while you were here? We really just wanted to spend time with you know our families families and then obviously coming back here. I knew I would see you so it's just interesting to me that last night before bed we had a really kind of deep conversation about how we were both feeling that way and I couldn't describe it either but it was almost like you know when you I feel like you've kind of pushed yourself. As far as you can go and then you can just feel God's presence saying like don't you dare cross this line. You know stay behind the line. I felt like that too and I was getting things done. It's not like I wasn't being productive. I guess it was just this idea is like I wasn't. I didn't feel busy you know and it was just a really good reminder. I think because when we lived in L._A.. We did live a pretty structured productive lifestyle but when the feeling busy it was almost like we finally like we're getting used to this comfortable feeling and just feeling like we were always busy whether it was chasing teeny around you know making sure that she's on top of everything is new parents that kind of business but also the business of like balancing businesses and just the hectic things that come with that in upkeeping our house I would always clean and so being in Texas like we haven't had that. We haven't had to do some of that stuff like you know. Obviously we have families help with teeny which has been great but we haven't had to clean really like the things that we had to do in our home in l. a. and it just we don't feel busy and so that's when things start to stirring your mind like oh my gosh. Are we being productive enough. Are we like are we getting to like chill like to relax acts like getting lazy. I feel like are to do this right. Now is like learning how to be patient and just tell right yeah because I feel like I feel like we have been standing around the starting line. It's almost like there's a race that we know we WANNA run. There's things we WANNA do. There's places we WANNA go right right and it's like we're standing starting line. We're like okay. We're ready. When can we start? Could someone blow the whistle and God's like it's time to start yet feel like he keeps being like dude. Go back to your waiting room like just chill. We're like in the warm up right before a game or a marathon. It's like the runners. Everyone's getting ready. Everybody else's showing we're like we're ready right now and I feel like it's almost like gods like I haven't blowing the whistle yet. It's time to get this thing started and I feel like like you were saying we need to stop trying to out like pay Scott or outrun him. You know it's almost like when I get on the housing APP to and I'm looking at the houses and I'm like okay so whereas our house feel like God like saying to me like dude. Don't worry about it like it's not right now like having given you that go ahead yet and was I was telling you last night and you just brought up again was that you know in the season of sort of calm in waiting and quietness. I still feel like God is like don't don't worry. There's a productive reason for why I brought you guys back out to Texas. There's a reason for that clearly. We know that we are not being called to come back and live here. We feel that so strongly like there's anything that we feel it's that like God is just like don't worry you're not gonna live here but there was a reason why God brought us back to Texas and during this time of not being so busy babe I feel like I have just noticed like I don't. I wouldn't have noticed if I was busy. <hes> just a lot of things that are happening in our families and I mean that in the best way the precious time that we're having with family there has just been this like new found like kind of like we're peeling back a new layer of just like this more or intimate bond with our family that we've never had and on both sides of the families and with teeny like I just started crying last night you know partly because I am pm saying but also because seeing Tinian Dallas like with my family we would go out to the backyard after like when it cooled off at the end of every night we would just all sit in the backyard and we all had our patio chairs in a circle and then teeny which is kind of like stand in the middle of us and she would just start like dancing dancing in like screaming and laughing and like I genuinely saw our daughter I feel like just the in the most happiest state that I've ever seen her as a mom. Thus far is being around my family and knowing everybody by name and going around and giving them kisses and then to see the light on my family's faces when teeny is just interacting with them and everybody is so wrapped up in like her and you know because she really is this just she's just this pure form of joy unhappiness in really she's been really healing. I feel like symbol for my family. She's been this like I feel like she in a way she kind of represents God's goodness and God's pure love enjoy and you know every time we have to leave Dallas. I see my family and they get so sad and it just reminds me of just like you know how how how we feel sometimes with God when when we're around God and world circled around God's presence and you just feel that genuine joy and you forget about like your day to a day troubles I mean teeny really was that symbol for my family and as a result I'm seeing even more healing and I'm seeing more prosperity within my own family and I'm seeing a lot of goodness in your side of the family as well and it's just been this summer where God is like there was a reason you guys needed to come out here and spend time with your family's like your family's needed you. They needed you guys and as a result. It wasn't just needing us but it's been this interceding healing. I feel like that's been happening. God has been able to intervene in certain parts of our family lives. You know that we're not going to get into but just to see that. God's presence is all over our family. It's just made me feel this newfound purpose out here too. It's like we're not just sitting around and feeling like our our purpose is going away. I just see in our own homes. Babe God is moving and we're we're able to influence an and I think one thing that I really appreciate the my dad said was he was like the first thing he said we got here was like you're. You're here for a reason. I and I know this. Time isn't easy for you. Because I know you want your own house like anybody does but he said but you're here for a reason and God is efficient and I was like oh I've thought about that. God's efficient like we're not just here to waste time time. God is doing something while we're here. There's a purpose for while we're here and I feel like that's really encouraging anybody else out there. If you're kind of in a weird waiting period or you feel like you know God's not doing anything in your life there stagnant God is efficient so maybe God's calling you to kind of take steps towards him. You know and draw closer to him or maybe there's something that you need to do. You know that you need to start working on her. Maybe you need to learn patients like yeah but I just feel like God is efficient with time time is not wasted and I just want to say that to anybody else out there. Who feels like maybe my time is being wasted in my life? Hey Mama's I've got a question for you. Have you shopped for kids. Vitamins lately Stevie and I are definitely entering that season where we're starting to explore vitamins Simmons and how to keep our girl healthy and getting all the right nutrients so there's so many brands to choose from as you guys know which could be overwhelming suits like how do I choose the right one well. You guys have got to check out Zogar. 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I'm going to spell that for you. It's lucky vitamin DOT com Ford slash the letter you and then Cubes C. U.. B. E. S. to get that discount love you Vam and another thing I wanted to say to people and we talked about this last night was and before we get into this interview y'all with how it is incredible. I mean he has an amazing story so inspiring talk about somebody that has been through some crazy stuff and has walked out an incredible life and achieve some great things through a lot of adversity like a lot like death well yeah you'll find out but I wanted to say something bay because we were talking about this last night. <hes> Fam- I have struggled with feeling like so much of my potential and my God given abilities have been wasted or are wasting wasting away and I wanted to say to each one of you. That's listening that if you've ever ever felt like you've wasted your time or that God's done with you. I wanted to tell you today that he has not done with. You like whatever that thing. Is that Burns inside of you that you want to give to the world girl that thing that you wanNA create and put out into this world God's not done with that yeah. There's a burning passion and a desire and a gift in there for a reason and I just WanNa tell you wherever you are however old you are if you're nineteen years old or if you're fifty five years old it's not too late and God's not done with you. He can do amazing things with you and no matter what you've done in the past. Maybe feel like you've disqualified yourself say well. I'm not good enough or I passed up on my opportunity. I missed it or I wasted my time. He's is not done with you. He can work with you right now and I'm speaking that out because I've really felt that way myself but I wanna tell each and every one of you that there's nothing that will help alleviate that then doing something anytime in my life. I felt like I've wasted time baby. You've been such a great encouraged or to me. Just hey okay well. If you don't know exactly what you WanNa do just take a step in one direction. Just try one thing. If you feel like there's too many options just do something and that's that's a lot of the questions as we got to about this before this episode was what do I do. How do I choose a dream? How do I choose a goal? y'All just start making moves. Just start going out there and putting your heart into something and if you fail at least you'll learn something and I love that you speak so boldly on this because because I know the journey it has taken you to get to this place where you can actually speak confidently on this because you know as a man I as a man there's nothing that I know in your heart that you've wanted more than to be able to lead into live alive that you could lead by example and you are always just since you were a young boy you know talking to your parents this summer and getting to know you even as young as when you were a childlike everything they say is that like you were just always so intentional with like <hes> your feelings and how you did things and you're always so good and you cared about other people like it's always been in your blood to want to lead by example and I definitely know that God is doing something in you. That's really starting to come out and and I just also encouraged anybody out. There like Stevie said just going out there and making those moves I've definitely seen first and foremost what can happen when you truly just like risk things and boldly step out and faith to pursue something even if it's not the thing but it could be a thing that gets you to the thing so don't necessarily feel like that first step has to be perfect all figured out business tactics step in everything has to be in place because maybe that step is necessary first four you can get to the next step in the next step but it's all about taking that first step whether you're starting a workout routine or you're starting a business or maybe you want to go out there and maybe seek finding a better healthier relationship sustaining your relationship ship whatever that is. It's all about making the first move <hes> in something else to is to just quiet the noise. You know anytime that I've seen that I start to get really worried or I start to doubt myself. That's when I start to kind of here the noises of Distraction Channel Lot Louder Than God's voice in my mind and my soul and those voices say why would you do that. You'RE GONNA fail or don't do it. I second guess myself. You know. It's going to be too much work or you're not going to succeed. Oh there's already a million people doing that or you. Owe you need. What would they want to see you do and I've always asked myself those questions and went doubt starts to creep in? That's a clear indicator that the devil or the enemy is really trying to get a foothold. They're trying to just get you and you know what what whether you're a believer are not I strongly believe that that Voice of the enemy it's up to you whether or not you WanNa give that voice precedence over your life but whether you're a believer and you're saved and you believe in Christ or you're somebody who it doesn't believe in Jesus I strongly know that regardless the devil always try to have a foothold over you in some way and they'll he'll try to distract you with things like that and what what oh I think differentiates <hes> giving power over you know the devils voice versus like your own voice in God's voice is just how you react in that moment when you when those questions start to creep up in your head like you're not gonNa fit you're GonNa fail or you're never going to succeed succeed in this or your parents hate you or fear starts to creep in. You should immediately know that that voice right there is not coming from a place of of light of wisdom of God and when that happens off the bat you just WanNa completely. Shut it out and you you. You can even start just in with yourself saying like out loud like nope not today say in you know what I mean and just by speaking that over yourself and just knowing like okay. That's a voice right there. That's not coming from me. That's a Voice of Distraction. I think it's really important because has even today in my life every day. I constantly here sometimes those voices that are telling me like hey you could be a better mom. You're not doing this right or look at her. She's doing this and it's really important guys to just turn off that noise. He's and start turning up God's voice so I just want to encourage you with that as well make those moves and also no win to turn off. That noise are F._M.. Great word. I love that that's so true. You need that mental conversation. It's funny how you forget debt that. Forget forget to check in with yourself yeah but you forget like hey. I don't have to listen to that crappy voice at telling me I can choose to listen to God's voice what you're saying like you have. There's more in you can do more and also I'll is believing in yourselves. It's a huge thing so we're gonNA listen to house interview right now. It's super amazing very inspiring fam- I just I wanNA pray really quick before before we go into this for anybody who's like man. I have so much left to do in my life. There's so much more I can do. I one live a full life a good life. I'M GONNA pray for everybody out. There is feeling like maybe they've missed it or they. Don't have like you know they. They don't feel they've wasted their time or something. I want to pray for all of us as we go into this so that you guys will leave feeling super inspired and at the end of the episode. I want to share Everythi guys something crazy that happened to me this week. It was really really crazy. <hes> it was kind of an out of body experience. I want to share with you but I <hes> we'll. We'll get into house interview. We'll part of you guys real quick God. I just want to thank you for everybody listening to this episode yeah. I know that everyone listening right now is here for a reason you don't do things by coincidence. God You make moves God in your efficient. You're efficient with your time with your effort with your creations got and we're your creations so we're not here on accident but every single person person has a gift got a unique gift at least one probably more that they can share with the World God and earlier this week as I was listening to this video there was a creator who said you create the things you WanNa see in the world but there's so many creators right now God whose voices have been muted needed. There's so many scientists and writers God that their voices have been muted God and I just pray God every person listeners episode would take up the power. God take the power back from the enemy. Who says that you can't do it? You've wasted your time. You're too old and you're too young. It's not true you can start living a full life. Today I just pray for every person God that after this episode they would feel empowered God to live their life to the fullest and to use the gifts that you gave them because you wanna see them use them. I pray that over everybody in Jesus his name Amen Alright Fam- baby. Let's get into this interview with Hal elrod Families Got Hal elrod on the show. How how are you doing? I am living good life. I think some offer happy on I mean that's sincerely and and I'm really really grateful artist found out that you're you're in Austin which is <hes> is my hometown so I know that there's a good life there for sure talk to a fellow Texan <hes> so so how you have an incredibly inspiring story <hes> a story that when you hear about it read about it. You're like a wow. This guy clearly has something to say because you've been through some serious things in your life. Could you give us a little bit of you're just your backstory on some of the near death experiences that you've been too yeah yeah and I'm going to frame it because if I don't frame it I'm a long winded and all like twenty minutes ago by your like and they'll take a breath so let me let me let me try to keep this distinct so you know in life I think we all experience what I would call rock bottoms right which are those those times of adversity that really test us and challenge us in causes often to question everything you know question the purpose of life the meaning of life you know God. Is there a God why would just happened to me. The life isn't fair and all these things and and for me the the big three really major life and death rock bottoms if you will and the first one I was twenty years old. I was one of the top sales people in the history of the cut cut co cutlery company. I was selling cut kitchen. I have direct in-home presentations kind of thing and one night I gave a speech at a Co conference and driving home that night I my Car Ford Mustang at a brand new Ford Mustang. I just bought at again h twenty it was like that was the dream car that I could afford. It wasn't the Ferrari but I was on the way you know and I was hit by a drunk driver at eighty miles an hour on the freeway and that wasn't the worst of it. The worst of it actually came out my car spun off the drunk driver up from the head-on collision and my driver's side door was exposed. I spun sideways and the car behind me crashed into my door at seventy miles an hour and if anybody listening I always say take a second. Look over your left shoulder and imagine you're sitting in your car Dr Driving Your car and a car hit two seventy miles an hour in the door and what you might imagine happening is what happened I instantly the left side of my car was smashed into the left side of my body. I broke eleven bones in split-second. I hi <hes> my I was in internally. I punctured lung I ruptured spleen and Ibn losing a lot of blood and it took the fire department over an hour or just about an hour to cut me out of the car and when they did I bled to death. I lost also much blood that my heart stopped beating and died and I was clinically dead for six minutes on the side of the freeway. I was revived on the helicopter. Actually on the way to the hospital airlifted to the hospital spent six days in a coma flatlined twice ice more during the coma came out of the coma to face this unimaginable reality for anybody at any age but you know twenty. They're saying the doctor said you're probably never going to walk again. <hes> I add permanent brain damage which my wife will vouch for that still shows up quite a bit but and then I had to face this reality and so I you know keep a long story not too long. I made a decision that I would accept what had happened to me unconditionally that I wasn't going to let my circumstances defined my emotional wellbeing and so much so that the doctors thought I was in denial and delusional they called my parents in for a little Powell or conference and they said we need you to talk to howl and get to the bottom of how he's really feeling because he always acts like he's happy the and he's he's making jokes and making us laugh and you know I think that he's covering up some real pains probably depressed and and scared and maybe he's angry and user normal emotions for anyone that's going through this this type of adversity and my doubt came in and to explain explain the doctors diversity and said how took or the doctors concerns and said how it's okay to be stabbed and scare. You know you're positive but how are you really feeling and my dad's got tear you know he's teared up and he's faces read like he's really really he's concerned and so I really went inside and thought about how am I feeling and I took about thirty seconds to answer and I said doubt. I thought you knew me better than that. I can't change that. I was in a car accident but you know I learned something a year and a half before called the five minute and it rule which said it's okay to be negative when things go wrong but not for more than five minutes like there's no value and wishing you could change something that is in the past in feeling angry sad scared about something that's out of your control and I had practiced that my sales career in smaller diversity of no sales and no shows and missed goals and disappointments in counseled orders and that sort of thing but the principal was the same and I went. I told my Daddy said Dad. There's only one of two possibilities and if you're listening right now by the way I want you to think about what in your life it causes you emotional pain past present or even a perceived future that you're worried about. That's out of your control and if it's in the past it is out of your control. I don't care doesn't matter who you are unless you're Mardi MC fly with the Dorien. Laurean can't go back in time and change it but we suffer over things that happened five minutes five days five months five decades ago not happening anymore but because we haven't accepted it and giving herself that gift of peace so I said dad there's only one of two possibilities number one if the doctor right and I'm in a wheelchair the rest of my life I promise you I've already thought that scenario through I will be the happiest most grateful human being that you've ever seen in a wheelchair because I'm in a wheelchair either away and I will not let my circumstances to find my quality of life and my emotional wellbeing I said but the second possibility is I will walk again and I don't know if that's possible but I'm putting all my energy into that instead of fear and worry re I'm focused on. I've got optimism and hope so simultaneously accepted the worst case scenario so it comes to pass at peace with it but I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not accepting defeat so to speak until it's proven otherwise and so the dock they went back to the doctors. Here's what House said. The doctors didn't believe it on one week later they came in with routine x rays and they said we don't know how to explain this but how your body is healing healing so rapidly that we know we told you you'd never walk again again but you can walk today in therapy. We're GonNa let you take your first step. If you're ready and I took my step that day and I left the hospital four weeks later and went back to work and on and so on and so forth with all these broken bones and metal rods and my arm and my leg and my pelvis and my eye socket I mean you know and so on and so forth so that was the first major adversity and that was the lesson I learned is that our emotional wellbeing has almost nothing very little to do with what's is going on around us Aka our circumstances or what happens to us and it has everything to do with what's going on inside of us and that the key that unlocks the door to emotional what I call emotional invincibility where you're in control your emotions. They're not in in control of you and your circumstances doesn't determine them. You determine them. The key that unlocks that door is acceptance is when you accept the things you cannot change you give yourself the gift of emotional invincibility on the on the opposite every negative emotion ocean you've ever experienced in your life and that you could ever expect that you're experiencing now. Get ever experienced in the future is always self created. It has nothing to do with the thing that you think is causing it and it's always your resistance to the thing it's your resistance to reality that determines your degree of emotional pain that you feel hey fam- or any of you out there looking for an apartment or you're looking for a new place to live. Have you checked out apartments. 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Change the world so that was the first one and I let me pause in the case. He doesn't WanNA call and then I'll actually skip to the yeah. There's a couple of the other shorter I mean that's that's incredible just that you had that perspective incite at at twenty years old I mean I don't think people I I think emotionally were such emotional beings especially at twenty years old <hes> I remember being twenty years old is being very even just guide us an emotional national being driven by emotions and things like that so that's incorrect incredible <hes> inside that you had even at that age but <hes> I think it really is just kind of a Kudos to you in part of your story as to why you are ready. You are today in why we're GONNA be talking about how to actually achieve. You know your goal so tell us the the next thing I mean. I can't believe there's another thing but I want to say this. I appreciate the compliment if you will but but it really was that the mentor that had taught me a year now prior he was my my mentor my manager in my in my cut my sales career and he taught me about five minutes right and if it wasn't I really credit him because it wasn't for that I wouldn't have developed that mindset and then since then I've read dozens and dozens of books on topics such as the power of now in the power of acceptance in various titles but I'm so then in two thousand eight when the U._S. economy crashed <hes> really kind of started as and seven I crashed with it like millions of Americans nothing nothing new there <hes> but I I really hit rock-bottom them and it was actually even more difficult for emotionally because I was in his downward spiral where every week I was losing more clients more clients more clients and it was I was a coach. I was doing business coaching in all of my clients. Their businesses were were suffering due to the economy me and it was just the trickle down effect of they they they would call me and say hey. I can't afford to pay for coaching anymore. Okay got it so I lost my clients lost over half my income and couldn't pay the mortgage lost my house which was that alone is like a like. I'm losing my my first home that I bought with my own money like I now up no place to live. I gotTA figure that out a lot of causes a lot of emotions and <hes> so even though I accepted it couldn't change it will it just kept getting worse and worse and worse than I never really dealt with. This kind of this quicksand San where I'm like man. Okay can't change it and then but I really kind of needed you know make things better and then Oh my God I lost another client. I lost another client. My body fat percentage tripled in the six month period. <hes> that I was losing my income till I stopped exercising. I was just like in desperation mode and the solution to that I just this will keep a long story not trying to keep him not too long. I just a series of events led me to search. What are the world's most successful people do that? I'm not doing my my buddy. You know John Who's a good friend and business partner now. He said how you got to go figure out what the routines and rituals are of the world's most successful people and and do what they do on a daily basis if you have the habits and rituals and routines that they have you're gonNA see similar results. You're going to see your business improved and I said okay and I kept coming across when I was googling mourning rituals and morning routines as the key like the number one key to these people success and this was this was twelve five years ago the morning routines your everywhere now wasn't that prevalent then but I kept coming across that and I'm like I'm not a morning person so if you're listening to your morning personally don't do now. I almost tuned out but I'm like. I'm not a morning person. Where's where's the success planned for people that sleep till nine everyday? I want that one right. I wasn't sales. I worked my own job. I could sleep later they wanted right and I came across one. You know just hit another article and I finally went all right. I got a dive in. I gotta read one of these and what I read what I got from. It was oh you're how you start. Your Day isn't just an equally significant option on the buffet of ways you can improve your life. It's arguably the single most important one it carries more weight than any of the others others because how you start your day sets your mindset. It sets your energy level but said just a general context and the tone for the rest of your day in simple terms. If you win the morning you set yourself up to win the day Eh and so I created a morning rich went on a quest to create the most extraordinary morning ritual in the history of humanity and within two months of doing it <hes> it wasn't a book idea it wasn't it was just my desperate attempt to change my life and I so I decided to get up in our our earlier I did six practices and these are African. Now Savers Silence Affirmations Visualization Exercise Reading Inscribing or journal Right so silences like your meditation so six of the most timeless endless proven personal development practices in history humanity right and I did these everyday within two months I had more than doubled my income. I wouldn't bring in the worship of my life physically to training for a fifty two mile ultra marathon that I completed six months later. I wasn't a runner aided running. That's why I did it because I thought man what I have to become run fifty two miles in a day. I don't even know that guy. You don't WanNa become that guy and my depression went away within a day of doing this routine because I was so fired up and I went to my wife and I said sweetheart her this morning ritual like we just our income is more than doubled from where it was two months ago. I said it feels like a miracle and she goes. It's your miracle morning. I go yeah yeah. I liked that my miracle morning morning so I started writing my schedule Miracle Morning and one of my clients said what how'd you have a morning ritual I keep hearing about these and I said Ou gay I gotTa Tell You I do think all the miracle morning right now. Let me tell you about it and I told her about it and I told the rest of my clients about it and they all said not a morning person but you're pretty convincing how to try and every single eleven out of the twelve clients I had at the time came back to their call the next week and said Hell. I did what you said. I'm a morning person like in one week my entire life. I've never been a morning I now I am and just had the best weekend my sales career I just I just had all these amazing results and that's where the lightbulb went off and I went wait a minute. If the miracle morning changed my life and I wasn't a morning person if it's changing every single one of my clients lives except the one and they weren't warning people I have a responsibility to share this with the world and you fast forward to today twelve years later <hes> the Miracle Morning Book has been translated in thirty seven languages. It is sold one point seven million copies. It's practice everyday by over a million people in over one hundred countries and the results people have are I mean it's a miracle like crazy. I get emails. People saying it saved my marriage. It got my depression medication. How just like you turn my income around on and then I'm just going to fast forward and get a really quick summary on the third rock bottom which is actually the most the scariest the most difficult I've ever endured and it was two years ago at age thirty seven and I was diagnosed with the very rare aggressive form of cancer? I walk in the middle of the night. I couldn't breathe it took doctors eleven days I think to to to test me and diagnose me. My lung kept telling with fluid. They couldn't figure out what was wrong. I was diagnosed with a very rare aggressive form of cancer called acute lymphoblastic leukemia. I was given a thirty percent chance of surviving which if you're a glasses half empty type of person right. That's a seventy percent chance that I was going to die and you know I've got a seven year old daughter and a four year old son and married married to the woman in my dreams and it was like I had more to lose than ever before and it was terrifying and I underwent the most intensive chemotherapy regimen in existence one hundred hours of chemo consecutively over five days around the clock every three weeks and it was supposed to be eight sessions. I was almost dead at the end of seven so they had to cancel the eight session because my body could not handle it. I'd lost twenty five percent of my body weight every hair on my I mean I I was on the desk door but I beat cancer her and I'm now I've been in remission for about a year <hes> and <hes> I beat cancer with <hes> something I called a miracle equation and so then I finally a publisher approach me I wrote that book that came out a couple of months ago so the miracle morning was kind of the daily practice for personal development and then the miracle equation was the process for goal achievement. How do you how do you create tangible measurable miracles in Your Life and for me it was beating cancer? It was selling a million copies of the book. It was walking again. It was looking over my whole life. I went what was what were the key decisions. I made in each of these seemingly impossible. 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I WanNa get like a home group here because I think everyone's thinking the same thing. <hes> that's amazing. That was an incredible story HAL. I mean Geez. I mean your perspective on life. You you know already is amazing but including what you've been through wow you're living a miracle life. I would say so and we're GONNA talk about that in a second but I wanted to back to the miracle morning <hes> and then something else that you said <hes> you're totally right <hes> Sazonon John and my my wife who's on abortion tonight here with us today. <hes> we started changing our morning routine last year and I have to say more than anything I've ever done. It changed the game and I you know getting on that routine in sticking with it we were seeing results in everything like you said and I agree with you one hundred percent but one thing that you kind of touched on really quickly was you were talking about how you were. I think it was around two thousand eight you said when you were you know everything was just kinda struggling. You're like I need to I need. I need to do something to shake. Shake things up. I think that's something that you know. It's really interesting point that I wanNA talk about because when when when it comes to achieving your goals I think there's so many of us that maybe we started morning routine and maybe we're having success and personally. I felt this way to where it's like. You know we start the year off. We're in a routine ever morning routine and we're working our way towards our goals in somewhere along the way we kinda hit a wall. You know and I remember friend and I were <hes>. We're starting to do morning meetings every Tuesday and into challenge each other you know to to be challenged personnel realizes hey. Where are you out with your goals like? What have you done this week? What are you doing next week? You know just to kind of keep each other accountable and I remember one week we met and <hes> it was this year and it was about four months months into the year and the first few months we were like man. We're crushing it. You know you're doing great. I'm doing great. We're doing our stuff morning. Routine here. We go and then all of a sudden. We're like Kinda dead you know what are we going right now. Like where's the direction action. Why do we feel like we lost momentum and I remember during the conversation I even I was just thinking time? I was like what what can we do. How can we change this and I kinda just had an Aha moment of like we need to shake things up? We need to do something. That's it's just different you know and so I remember telling him. Let's give something let's take something away and so what we were doing was we were trying to invest in in two different things so basically one thing was that we wanted to give more money away because we'd both decided that we needed more money to do certain things at at that time in and also this time now but <hes> just the belief that giving you know when your generous that that wore opportunity in and money and things like that come to you and you're not generous for that but that's just the belief of mine and also to take something nothing away to kind of heighten our mental focus which was we're decide. We're going to do a challenge as far as like no sugar right okay so take something away that was not how not helpful not positive right and and so what it really he did was just kind of it was investing you know <hes> by giving back but at the same time kind of investing in our focus by by whenever you know you do a diet or or a fast or something like that you know it kind of seems to heighten your focus and it builds this momentum as far as every time you beat a little challenge of why didn't have sugar today in empowers you to do something else. <hes> so what is one what are some of the things that you have done to beside your morning routine to really shake things up. I mean because you talk about in your new book the Miracle Equation You're talking talking about how to obtain tangible results when it comes to achieving your goals and I think that is <hes> such an awesome in such a rich topic that you talked about how to prove yourself in your morning routine but now how are we actually going linked to achieve our goals and what are the. How are we going to get those tangible? Results talks about that yeah. You'll I mean there's a few things I can look at well. I will say that what you just shared about shaking it up on one of my mentors years ago Kevin bracy in fact it was right before the miracle morning before I came up with the morning ritual in fact it was it was his words that got me to do it and it was because I was reading about mourning rituals like man. I you know yeah this'll be good but I had so much resistance resistance to waking up earlier. I had the mindset the most will have which is like. I'M GONNA sleep till last possible moment. I can to not like you know lose my job lose. My kids get divorced right. What's the last moment I could wake up and not have everything fall apart in my life right so his quote was he said if you want and it's so simple but so profound he said if you want your life to be different you have to be willing to do something different I yes right and that's what I was staring at my my at that time it was before the digital calendar at a day planner? You know right and I'm staring at my day planner and I'm looking at at five A._M.. 'cause I woke up at six A._M.. Because I had to now I'm like well. Do I really want to wake up at five and we're GONNA five and and I'm going and then I heard his words. If you want your life different you have to be willing to do something different. I and I was like him it. He's right. I got I gotta get up at five and it was very that were that quote that one sentence got me into action and I wrote five A._M.. Personal development it didn't have a name wasn't a miracle morning you know for two months and woke up and did it so but if I look at other areas in my life where I've done that and I think it's so important that we need to examine we need a process and I think weeklies a good <hes> timeframe but a weekly process process where we evaluate right where we read our goals where we evaluate our progress on the last week so so. Let's say you've got a goal and each area of your life right. You've got a goal in health and fitness in in your relationships in each area and then you look get you should have an action plan right in this area. Here's my daily recurring process like an in the miracle equation in the new book. I talk about the two decisions that will enable you to create these tangible measurable miracles. Let me let me take one second and to redefine miracle because if anybody's listening rolling there is I used to roll my eyes at that word right because I'm like dude. I'm like I'm not woo hoo. I'M NOT GONNA I'm not I'm not going to sit back and wait for a miracle. I want results. You know I'm very results oriented person so for me. A miracle isn't isn't this. You know. Eddie has a bad rap that word because it's like this you know this intangible like pray in weight. Hopefully I you know miracle falls into my lap kind of thing and I look at a miracle is any meaningful outcome that that is outside the realm of what you believe is probable for you possible or problem but really probably because we don't anything is possible but we don't go after what's possible. When was the last time you set a goal and you gave it everything you had that you didn't really think was going to happen right? We don't work that way. We work towards goals that we believe probable. Which is why most people don't create extraordinary results? They either stayed the same right. They just keep doing well yeah. I really have these big goals and dreams but I don't know if I can achieve him. Some not even gonNA try. I know that I show up to work. I'll keep getting a paycheck and that gives me a sense of security to keep a roof over my head. Some GonNa keep doing that and most people live and die without going too far beyond that right but I would say anybody listening to this show and most people want more than that. We want an extraordinary life. We want the good life or I call it the Miracle Library we want the good life though and we want extraordinary results we want to have financial freedom. We want to have physical health in abundance. I just want to have a relationship that makes that we love and that were harmonious with our partner and it's beautiful and we're lying and so on and so forth but most of us were not willing to do those things and so for me I break it down. It's really to decision if you studied the world's most successful people in any walk of life. I'm talking millionaires and billionaires or professional athletes Olympians or just the happiest person you've ever seen any walk of life you find that there are two common decisions that they make not once they don't make them once and you know it's not it's not a set it in forget it thing but they make these decisions over and over and over and over and over and over and over again until and if you're if you're listening if you're taking notes if your mental note whatever that word until might be the most important word in the journey that success you got a circle that word and underlying it three times so they make the same decisions over and over and over and over and over again until they achieved the outcome that they're committed to whatever that is could be a financial outcome in any area and the two decisions ends are deceptively simple in their explanation but extraordinarily rare in their execution. It's kind of like they say. Success is simple. It's not easy but it is simple right. You know people that are successful. They simply do you something. Every day that moves them closer to their goals and dreams and eventually they get their goals and dreams whereas the majority society doesn't do that one thing over and over and over either they don't ever do it or they do it for a while and then kind like you said right you get bored with you and your buddy during the daily calls right or you know and then you like we were doing it and then we got bored and like once that initial excitement wears off I caught the infatuation period right when the infatuation period wears off most people stop doing the thing that's moving them toward their goals and dreams so these decisions so I don't mean to beat around the buzzer number one unwavering faith all highly successful people and I'm GonNa say successful. That is your definition of success not mine Harvard. You define how you define success. That's what I'm talking about but people that are successful in the way they define it. They established the faith that they can do something they've never done before and then they maintain that faith which is what makes it unwavering faith right until they maintain that faith until they get their most people. If they establish the fate they can do something because they're an off Mr like yeah I can do anything as soon as they encounter an obstacle as soon as they get off track as soon as their their results aren't coming as fast as they expected most people the faith goes out the window and the second decision is extraordinary effort and again like I said deceptively simple explanation if you're going how great so I have to have faith and believe in myself and work hard okay right that doesn't help yard. He knew that no extraordinary effort is consistent effort. That's it if I was something of that. In one word extraordinary effort is consistency doing if you do one thing you get really clear on what are of your biggest goals and dreams what are the most meaningful outcomes in your life and if you do one thing every day doesn't mean you have to work eighty hours a week to achieve the good life or a miracle life now one thing every day that moves closer to your most most meaningful goal and or dream or plural goals and dreams. The only variable is time. Your success is inevitable. You're going to get there right like I'll give you give me an example when the miracle morning came out. I you know I I didn't have a platform. I didn't have an email list. I didn't have anything I wrote the book because I thought I owe it to the world to change if you live with this book and I literally was thinking small it was like you know maybe maybe also a few hundred copies or a few thousand copies and I I started within the first month I started getting emails and people saying how the miracle morning is changing my life and it was really profound. You know it saved my marriage this that and then I was like my sense of responsibility grew and I went. I have to get this out there to the world like I don't know how I'm going to do that but in for me it just I just picked a quantifiable number. I go. I gotta change a million lines and then I got. I got fancy with it. I go oh that's my mission to change. One million lives one morning at a time and committed by will do whatever it takes to change a million lives and I put a time for one year. I'm going to try to somehow I don't know how I'm going to try to sell a million copies of the miracle morning in the next twelve months and twelve months later and by the way let me tell you extraordinary effort looked like I did I I I did I launched a podcast to get the word out there and building audience. I did fifty united a weekly podcast fifty two episodes. I was on one hundred fifty other more than that a little one hundred fifty other people's podcast. I did thirty six speeches across the country. I did thirteen television interviews all across the country on N._B._C.. A._B._C. C._B._S.. Morning T._V. shows cost me a lot of money. A lot of time to travel right. I put forth extraordinary effort did everything in my power to reach a million people and you guys I fell short of. I was ninety nine point nine percent short of my goal I sold twelve thousand copies of the first year instead of one million and so I was nine hundred ninety nine hundred eighty eight thousand copies short of my goal now now you think about that like how discouraged would you be like. I suck like who Dan was like kidding myself right and so what happens for most of us is we're like we we just chase the next squirrel. We're like all right. Well I try to fail. I'll do something else right but for me. Remember that word until right until and I re I I assessed what I had done and I okay. I was obviously way off on my timeframe because remember when you're committed until when you're committed until the only variable is timing and I went and I don't remember why exactly this number stuck in my mind but I go okay obviously obviously one year was not realistic. Maybe it's GonNa take me thirty years to reach a million people. Maybe I don't know but I'm committed to that like I'm GonNa change a million lives and I don't care how long it takes me and but of course I'm like all right but I'm GonNa try to do it in your to. I don't think based on my year one I don't. I don't think that's realistic but I'm GonNa go for it and I put forth extraordinary effort. I maintained unwavering faith and I sold at twenty three thousand copies of the second year and I'm like all right. I'm getting better but I think I don't know how many it's like. You know like two hundred years before I'm GonNa read the goal something like that right on outpace on anyway. It took me six years. It took me six six years. We've surpassed a million copies and it's only been the last two that we were at almost another million so it's just taking off but but I want to. I'm going to share this us and we we can literally drop the Mike and hang up. I'M GONNA share what I believe is one of the most valuable lessons for all of us for me and it's my own personal lesson in my own life that I now I try to teach it as much as I can human nature. I believe it societal. I actually it's on human nature. It societal conditioning on is that we want what we want and we want it now because we compare ourselves to other people we look at somebody else and we go wow icy where they are. I want to be where they are but our brain has no patient that goes I want to be there now. So what that does. Is it 'cause inherently it causes feelings of inadequacy right. I'm not good enough. I'm not far enough along. I'm not where I want to be. Things aren't happening fast enough but here's the lesson that I've learned and and I think that anyone that achieves their miracle their goal their dream. I think that every I think that most of us most people learn this lesson. It's that when you finally get to the point in your life that you've been working being forced so hard and for so long no matter how long it takes you. You never wish it would have happened in the sooner when you get there. You look back and you go. It had to take this long. I had to go through all that stuff. I had to go through all that I had to throw that adversity those challenges those were testing me those were building the into the person I became that had the that was able to create what I want. This dream this goal the timing is perfect and so if you if you if you can bring that lesson into your life now don't wait for hindsight. Don't suffer for the next year or decade because you got your or just. Why am I not further along no don't do that? The lesson is maintain or be at peace with where it's be a piece with where you are now and where you are tomorrow and where you are every moment every three day along your journey be completely at peace love who you are love where you are wall you simultaneously wake up every day with a healthy sense of urgency to take action to at least one thing that moves you closer to your greatest vision for your life so be a piece with or you are but maintain urgency to take action and know that the timing will be perfect when you finally arrive and that's that's incredible and I couldn't agree with you more. I feel like anytime that that I have kind of gone through that change. You know where there was a place where I wanted to be in that. I thought there I agree with you. Completely have the same Aha moment of wow. There was a whole reason I had to go through some toiler. Some trials are struggled to get here now. I appreciate this place where I am now so much more than I would have had gotten it back then you know and I totally agree with you. There's a weird balance between like you said you need to be peace use but all the while working there's we're. We're balanced. You know that we constantly struggle with why WANNA be grateful in content with my life right now but at the same time I wanna be aspiring towards more it's kind of it's kind of weird thing it does to your mind and I totally agree with you there that I I think you have to be content. I remember when my wife and I both moved to l.. A. And we respond to be in the entertainment industry and I remember having the realization of I need to genuinely be thankful for everything I have right now and I couldn't couldn't afford to buy AAA Burrito so the got him so hungry. Why did you say that I wanted to want to put Libretto so bad? Hey Man I'll meet you off thirty five Elliott but when you know the point is is that you know we've always said that the gratitude also is kind of a breeding ground for that next step. You have to be grateful for what you have now before you can move forward in appreciate what you have later because you know you're not faithful the little that you have. You're not going that'd be faithful with much you have <hes> how I just WanNa talk about your book the Miracle Equation Really Quick and in the two things that you said you know unwavering faith and extraordinary effort <hes> so many of us you know we like we're talking. About just kind of give up halfway through and then we begin to question you know <hes> our vision and all that how do you know when your goal your vision is the correct thing like there's so many people that you know. I don't know how to cast asks the right vision for themselves including myself lately. I've been thinking about different things that I wanna work on on the side. You know little side businesses and things like that but I always questioned myself. I'm like well. Isn't that the right move. Is that something that is. Maybe I see the money grab lab were. That's something that I'm actually passionate about. How do you <hes> set the right goals but that are also lofty and big goals? You know where you can envision yourself going far with yeah yeah. It's a question and I think that it's kind of I it goes in alignment with purpose like people. Always you know like I don't know what my purpose in life is and I mean people are searching for their purpose but that's not the way that purpose works purposes some it's not something you find it something that you create and it's something that you recreate as you continue we need to learn and grow and evolve your purpose grows in evolves and so in the same way when it comes to goals you know I did a lot of stuff for the miracle morning right like I launched a program called Your Best Life Coaching Right <hes> I lost another program called a self empowerment coaching. I launched wrote a book called taking had on. I thought that was going to be the book and God good reviews but nobody bought it like. I didn't tell me copies right so so so it's not like I and the miracle morning. I didn't know that that was the thing so I think that I think that the just list you know really like looking at your life and asking or self what feels right to me like you really have to trust your intuition a little bit more and if you willing to try things things before you figure out what sticks right because again I had more certainty that the that my I put taking life had on and it was a false sense certainty I thought do this is going to be amazing. Actually in my head I already planned to series. I'm like ooh taking out on the penalty taking college head on and taking sales head on and then taking business head on I had a whole idea for a series and then I was like wait a minute if the original books not selling. I don't think the spin offs are gonNA sell right so I was like certain and then the miracle is over confident in the miracle morning I'm like I don't think anybody's GonNa read this. Like how am I gonNA convince people to wake up early right. I had no I if I could have never in a million years that would sell a million copies like never and and what's interesting. I talked to other authors their authors that are way better writers than me that are way smarter than me and their books not selling right and then like I talked to James Redfield who wrote the Celestin Prophecy that sold fourteen million copies. We were speaking in Italy a a few months ago actually was six on the fall but on speaking here in Italy and I'm like I have dinner together James. I have to thank you like your book changed my life and when I found out you self published it and then you traditionally published I am later. I decided to sell punishment morning. You're part of Me Journey Yada Yada Yada and I said did you know that the self esteem prophecy was going to take off. He goes how I had no clue at Rice. He sold fourteen million lobbying right. I had no clue so here's the point and actually I want to give one more one more one more kind of example for context when I decided to become a speaker I my background was in sales. I I was a hall of Fame Sales Rep right so I had the credibility to speak to any sales organization and but I was twenty five years old and I looked I was eighteen. Maybe sixteen right so I really just looked at. I really looked at my experience my background and so this is for people listening right this to me is how you kind of decide so number one. Is You never really know so set a goal that feels good to you believe in that goal work towards that goal and understand that the real purpose of a goal Mrs another one of those most important lessons. I've ever learned kind of thing the real purpose of going I learned from Jim Rohn by the way actually from my mentor Dan Cassetta who learned from Jim Rohn who taught it to me on the real purpose of a goal is not to hit the goal the real purpose of a goal is to develop yourself into the type of person with the qualities and the characteristics. I needed to achieve any goal that you said whether or not you hit the individual goals that you set is far less important to the qualities and the characteristics that you develop along the way in other words who you become so if you give it everything you have to hit a goal and it like I did with those things I mentioned Your Best Life Coaching the first book I wrote and right again but none of those took off none of those were sticky. People just didn't resonate and I didn't know until I tried it right on but I learned a lot about what worked what didn't work and I developed qualities and characteristics like self discipline and ability to set schedule in you know in Crete processes that would allow me to reach my goals and this and that and it was who you become that lasts forever ever the benefits of an individual Goeller short-lived oh I hit a goal. I made some money will you. You'RE GONNA spend it will become stays with you for the rest of your life and when you can approach goals without mindset you realize that we you really can't when it comes to setting a big audacious goal you can't the only way to fail is to to give up to not try but if you give it everything you have and it doesn't work out but you take the lessons into the next school well well now. You're more likely to hit the next school but you might the next school but you you learn more or less than if you get given everything you have and then you hit you probably the next goal and all of a sudden you have your miracle morning right and you you really you cannot predict it but but for me it was when I launched my coaching business I thought who should I coach again. I was like well all I did was sell up into kitchen knives so I decided to coach cut corrupts from my company. When I decided to become a speakers I started to tell that story? I thought who should I speak to. I thought well I look like I'm nineteen. I'm going to speak to a college student. So I launched my speaking career. I could've gone in the corporate market would have been an uphill battle but I went so so go with the path of least resistance and use your own experience. When I wrote the miracle morning it was because I had experienced France this morning ritual that changed my life and I wanted to pay it forward and share it with others so again? Leverage your experience and listen to your intuition. Go with what feels right to you without overthinking when you when you ask what should I do. What's the first that comes to your mind? That feels good. That feels right that feels. There's not resistance you don't you're not forcing. You're not trying to fit a square peg into a round hole or vice versa right and then approach it without mindset that hey if I don't reach the goal it doesn't matter because I'm going to become a better version of the guy or the Gal that I am today and that version of me. We'll have more clarity a bigger vision and more capabilities than I have now and all apply those to the next school and the goal after that and the goal after that and the goal after that when I finally the point that I've been working for so hard for so long. I won't wish it happened in these sooner. All look back and go. Oh wow the timing was perfect. Journey Kony is exactly as it was supposed to be incredible. Come on how we're going to church in here. How much do you WANNA go? You WanNa call me next week and let's do this again because I think we could keep going you shared so much my heart stop opposite thirteen and a half minutes so I mean if you gets more questions I'm happy to to tell we'll let you go how but I just I'm so thankful that you shared all of your knowledge in your wisdom with us here on the Good Life Fam- you guys if you want to check out house book it's the Miracle Equation Asian as you can tell how is living proof of that. The Miracle Equation Works WanNa check out his book. Check out the miracle quesion Pal. Thanks again so much being on the show. I appreciate you guys so much. Thanks for having me all right. You take wow you know how I always say things like Oh my God I died like like he can actually say that you know what I mean. I mean the fact that he died came back to life and is continuing to live not just any ordinary life but he is like I'm going to live a full life incredible life wow that just it's so encouraging an uplifting. I love that I think you know He. He really hits a nail in the head Ed and you know he even said. It seems simple but you know it's it's it's effective and it can change your life. Is You know his miracle equation of if you really believe you have you know unwavering faith you know and you put forth extraordinary effort into something that I re. He you know he really believes that you can achieve that goal and I you know he's living proof so I don't know he's a great example. Somebody who's hard to even argue with its cold like when when kind of like sometimes out of body experienced things happen you know and he's had obviously several of these types of encounters and I think we all all have whether it's in a bigger small way I mean we've all kind of had those like miracle. Things happened in our day-to-day lives sometimes where it just kind of wakes you up a little bit and it puts things in perspective. I love that even though this past week was Super Chill Hill for both of us God was still doing something incredible and when you told me that you had a dream I told you write it down and I'm so glad that you actually decided you know what I'm GonNa. Share what dream that I had you didn't even know what it really meant until we really dove into and talked about it but talk about body out body experience stevie experienced that this crazy experience this week y'all while says was gone a teeny in Dallas. I like I said at the beginning of the episode I felt like this week. You know it was kind of wasting my time and feeling like God like what am I doing right now. And Are you disappointed with me. Should I have been more fruitful with the gifts you've given me. I feel like I have so many gifts. In what the heck am I doing right now and we all go through that but the reason I wanted to share this story fan because I felt like it was divine intervention intervention from God in my dream so this is what happened like I said I was feeling really kind of just Blah like what the heck I go to bed and I'm having a dream all I remember. is you eat cheese before better Kobe. I probably shakes amazing chocolate. GonNa continue to ask but I've never this is never had a dream. That's a really crazy dreams. y'All where it's like. You know I believe in the power drill baby. That's how I saved so but I've had dreams were actually elite chosen to do certain things and this was kind of one of those dreams even more so I was talking to. Somebody and I feel like it was somebody I know. <hes> I got woken up by somebody like early in the morning so kind of jolted Miata my sleep but what I remember was is that I was talking to somebody the about God and explaining how God lives in us you know in the dream Yeah I was like God I literally sang them so passionately and remember feeling so a part of this dream sang like God lives in us. You know like he's alive. Live and his power lives in us. His Holy Spirit lives in US and as I said that literally all in in real life my body went completely flush with with like goosebumps in started kind of like almost it's like glowing like it was almost like there was this giant burst of energy came into my body. I can't even explain to you and you saw it to you said right. It was like I just kind of like I was dreaming but I knew my body went completely completely like crazy like on fire with goosebumps and it wasn't just goosebumps. I felt like this this China urgent energy almost like in my heart area there was this giant like burst of this crazy energy that I can't even explain to you but it was it was in a moment where I was sharing genuine like genuine love somebody sharing about God and it was almost like part of my purpose you know and I just felt that when I woke up the next morning I was like oh my gosh I was like I can't believe that that was so insane and then you know what I thought I was like why did why did I have that dream like. Why did I get that experience? That's like God. I didn't deserve to have that experience. I feel like if anything like I've been not not spending my my time wisely you know and but instead of waking up the next day and feeling like man like kind of down on myself. I felt like I literally felt like God hasn't given up on me you know God's not done with me. God can still move who've in power not just using but move in an amazing weight and do crazy things with me and how he intervened in my dream and I know beyond a shadow of doubt that that was God intervening in saying like I'm still here. I still want to work in you and there's so much we gotta do but I want you to just wake up because I woke up and that dream I felt I felt so amazing empowered after that dream it's I wanted to share that with. You guys going back to what I said anybody. WHO's felt like you've wasted your time or you haven't achieved your goals that you having started? y'All it's not too late. You can do it. You can start when you're fifteen. You can start when you're sixty. All I just want to encourage you all today to do it. And of course I mean listening to house story was so inspiring them so that was my story. I wanted to share that all avail. I just love that you had that dream. I think you you've been having a lot of these like little revelations. I feel like from God and just seeing you since coming on starting this show and seeing you in your element like openly just using your voice talking to people bowl I mean you really are a healer. Seeing you put your hand on people. Pray over people in you know even we go to conferences and we speak to audiences like the power and your voice it is this fire and I think that we're living in a generation in right now where people need that people need that power and then it needs to be poured into them. The power that comes from God and you just are such a pure honest genuine person that like God knows that he can use you in that way he knows that your heart is pure and that you have great intentions and you just love people and that's the kind of people that God loves to us to get closer to all of his other children out there who don't know and understand that there is a god out there that wants to do life with them and help them figure out how to get to their next step in those dreams and in those goals and in their journey with purpose and like Stevie said we just love that this show has given us the opportunity to kind of like what is the saying Peel back the curtain what yes layers yes both this. I was just telling him in the car. Real quick and then we'll go but I was just telling you in the car and I just feel it again that you know nowadays a lot of people turn to different social media profiles different channels different outlets and things to try to escape what they're currently going through and their live kind of like a way to numb the pain and it's similar to like giving somebody medication for something. It's like it yeah it currently will numb the pain but not addressing it and not you know dealing with it is just going to lead to it always just lingering there and you're just gonNA constantly try to nominate away and I feel like nowadays with social media influencers and just the celebrity profiles and things that we follow these lives. You know we all have a choice to be like all right. What are we going to put out into the world and Stephen? I know that this is a show where yeah it's a place where we can all kind of escape. Our day-to-day lives in meeting this little playground and hang out and you know have a good time but the fact that we don't have to create a facade or hide just the struggles that we all have to face on a real day-today life basis you know the fact that this is a place where we can also come to not only laugh but to actually deal with some of our problems terms and our struggles together. I think that's really what it's about. When it comes to figure out what it means to live a good life is that you've got to deal with the struggles in that the problems that you have head on and figure them out as you go and just try not to avoid them? Try Not to name it or try I to escape from it and I just love this show. We're we're building that kind of a family environment there where it's like we get messages that say like Oh my Gosh I love that at the beginning of your show you guys always make me laugh you know but then by the end of the end of your show show unlike crying because I just took something from it and that just like really warms our hearts more than anything to know that we're creating this type of environment like what you said that Creator said you create what you want to see in the world Gerald and I think that like unintentionally by US opening up the door to our life and some of the the weekly stuff that we're trying to figure out you know in a way we're creating something unique here for people to also be invited and welcome <hes> to also experience in real way so I'm so grateful for this show the show has forced us to really face our own problems head on and our struggles every week and then to be able to talk about it on a Mike. 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Brad McAreavy President Of The Rochester Auto Dealer Association

Bob Lonsberry

30:50 min | 2 months ago

Brad McAreavy President Of The Rochester Auto Dealer Association

"Saint Tallest, not the same thing I've seen it at the Fisher House the Fisher House I know is a huge part of recovery for somebody like my husband for them to know that, their family members are being taken care of that's a huge off of them so they can concentrate on their therapies. Just. Having that assurance that no matter what as long as we were there for Anson that someone would be there to take care of us. Took so much weight off our shoulders. How can you help go to fisherhouse dot org mostly sunny and sixty eight I've taught holiday newsradio Wamel of eighty next news at ten thirty breaking news when it happens anytime another hour with Bob Laws Bury starts now on newsradio well, eleven eighty. Thank you Sir I, appreciate it troops, I appreciate you showing up for muster. Hope all cool. COPACETIC on your end. Just a note there and I appreciate the thoughts and sentiments of the Lieutenant Governor. Kathy Hokuto but the senior female elected official in. New. York of course I believe would more correctly be senator. Kirsten Gillibrand right. I think An to joined by the president of the Rochester Area Auto Dealers Association Mr Brad mccreavy Sir Good Morning Luck with the broadcast. Good Morning Bob thanks for having you. Betcha. I appreciate your time and I am thanks for coming on with us. I. Just WanNa touch base and see how your members our auto dealers were doing. Yeah I I mean obviously it's been a bit of a rough ride back when things really started to. Become. Aware in in March car sales were equally affected like a lot of other businesses. So we had a couple of months and in March and April things started to. Work their way back in the month of May when. Certain provisions were allowed for customers to come back in the market. And be able to shop for vehicles and and since then it's it's it's improved June. Actually was a better month this year than it was a year ago. And July? Was a little bit down for a year ago so. It's working its way back to a a pretty decent level was. pent-up demand issue sir. I do yeah. Bob I. Do you know we had the the months of March? April may were down significantly forty, fifty, sixty percent. There were a lot of customers that were in Lisa's that were given deferrals. They were allowed to keep their lease vehicle for an extended period of time, and then there's a lot of people that were were not in the market at that time they they weren't comfortable coming back So yeah, June I think definitely was at a and I think what happened in? July, we probably would have just as good of a mon-. But. The inventory levels for the dealerships the new car stores are down now because the manufacturers were shut down for a couple of months and so all the production lines were were suspended. And in June the dealers essentially ran ran low on inventory. and and now we're waiting for that to sort of rebuild itself Brad Macaroni. The President Rochester Auto Dealers Association is that are how is house inventories and availability now sir? While it's still it's still down It's in the process of being rebuilt the used car side of the market. Bob Is very strong. Because access to use vehicles is is a little bit more readily available. They can dealers can go to auctions they obviously take cars on trade They even buy cars from customers what we call over the curb. So the the used car side of the market is actually quite strong right now but it's probably gonNA take better part of thirty to sixty days for the new car inventories to. Get back to where they would be normally from the standpoint. Brad macaroni, the Rochester Auto Dealers Association from the standpoint of keeping our dealers in business that that used car volume is good. Right? Because the margin is is better on used cars. Yeah. The used car market is very important. You know for for a dealer, it is a strong market the there's a sort of a a an advantage in the market Bob. We you make money on a used car when you take the car in not necessarily when you sell it. The market on the sell to the customers you know people shop and so. There's there's some some sort of equality to that whole selling process but if a dealer happens to acquire the vehicle in a in a in a good way than they can actually hold pretty good margins on it but to answer your question, you have the used car market is a very important driver in the dealership world are win is being Brad Mockery of Youth Rochester Auto Dealers, association in March and April and May. when cars couldn't be sold or or then we're slowing selling slowly. when a cars on the lot if I'm the dealer am I, paying interest on that the longer than a car is unsold on my property my does that hurt me financially sir. You are in the vast majority of the cases the Matori. That your ship is financed on a line of credit with a lender and it incurs interest every day. So. Yes every day that that car sitting there it's costing me. You know whatever that rate of interest is on that inventory for that period of time and so. Dealers are obviously motivated to try to turn that inventory as quickly as they can. but it's it's an expense to them to be able to to to sit on vehicles for long periods of time. So in the spring, they not only lost the cash flow they incurred higher finance phys because they they they couldn't pay back on those cars as quickly. Is Right right and and probably in many cases the lenders of that support. Those inventories maybe had to give him extensions on their lines of credit maybe even had to give them a temporary increase just because vehicles weren't moving, but they were still at that point they were still coming in. because the pipeline is there's a lag there. So the manufacturers are producing cars they're coming in, but they're not going out. So you get a little bit of a swelling in the mentor at that stage in the game is Brad mccreavy. Of course, she recognizes voices in Rochester auto dealers. Association. Are we in our dealers are okay are we in danger of losing any of them sir? no I don't think. So Bob I. Think they've gotten through the you know the the really tough bunch You know the obviously the programs that were put in place by the government the P P programs in some of the other assistance help them I think get through that period the march April. May Time period was was a real struggle. but through most of that, now we didn't lose. We didn't lose a dealer is due to closures during that time in Monroe County So I think at this stage. There they should be pretty in pretty good shape and move forward. In moving forward, we may do that for some period of time may be two or three years or something with a depressed economy. What what how does that impact the the dealers please Sir Yeah I that's the part that concerns me I think more at this stage bothers the broader economics of where we are. We still have very high unemployment in the area. So north of eleven percent, we obviously have a lot of. Distractions and things that are going on to school system situation probably being the most visible of all those but that affects people's. Lives in their jobs and their you know their ability to work and and so on a broad scale. That's probably my biggest concern is, how does that play out here over the next several months in terms of people's ability to Be in the car market Dilemma percent unemployment is is not a good thing. And so there's GonNa be people that are are not going to be in the car market just due to the fact that their their financial situation's unstable. He in the Brad macaroni McCreevy's with Rochester Auto Dealers Association how many people do you think work in? You know at dealerships across our area please Sir. Well, I'll give you a number facility Rochester Auto Dealers Association represents ten counties. We represent monroe the five surrounding counties, and then we go south to the Pennsylvania border. So we're in STU band allegany all the way down to the Pennsylvania border we represent a little over a hundred dealers franchise new car dealers they employ a little over five thousand employees In their dealerships. So that's that's sort of the economics of our group that we work. It's a big workforce. Now on the other side of the deal for for potential purchasers of new or used cars. What would you tell them about these time? Sir. I you know the market is is again on the used car site. It's it's pretty strong right now on the new car side. Again, the inventory levels are are going to be a little bit low for them right now. So if you're looking for a specific make model color content, that sort of thing you may or may not find it in the in the dealerships inventory today but if you're if you're looking for. You know a certain making Milo vehicle and you're willing to be flexible about some of those things. Then than very likely, you will find what you're looking for So. I you know I would say that the market as the auto industry, the interest rates for financing are still very low have been for a number of years. Now, the lenders are still very good in terms of making credit available to customers to purchase a car. So all of the elements of the industry are still pretty pretty good right now and so. I would say somebody if they're interested, everything should be in place for them to go out and. And make a purchase outstanding This the state doesn't have any special special restrictions on auto dealers right now at lingering from the Kovic shutdown or they're they're operating similar to what a lot of businesses are Bob. So right now if a customer were to go to a dealership right now, if they enter the building, they have to be wearing a face mask as do the employees of the dealership when they're interacting with the customer if they want WanNa. Take a test drive in salesman is going to go with them. The salesperson has to sit in the seat furthest away from the driver. So that's GonNa be in the backseat somewhere. WE we try to maintain social distancing within the showrooms and most of the showrooms are pretty large. Areas so that's not a huge problem for them. you know when it comes to doing the paperwork on their transaction they're they're setting up clean rooms you know for the customer to come in and sit down and do it, and when the customer leaves, they clean the room after every visit. Other cars, of course are cleaned they're cleaned with disinfectant wipe down. before and after any customer that gets into the vehicle. So a lot of the things that you you would normally expect to see really in any business right now you bet. Going on. Sir. Just. You know again at the industry I think right now bob is is coming back, it it suffering from some what I'll call some some hangover effect from where we are. It's still You know there are restrictions in place right now that you know but people I think are becoming more and more accustomed to that. So the dealers I would say if you're if you're only interested in in doing the transaction online or through the phone, they can accommodate that if you WANNA go to the store and sit down and talk to somebody they can accommodate that. so they'll they'll accommodate whatever method to customer wants to utilize. Outstanding Mark and Brad mccreavy. Thanks for everything that you in your members, your association doing, and thanks for talking to us today I appreciate it. My pleasure. Thanks for having me. You BETCHA. I have always said that that there are two metrics for ignorant person like me to watch in the economy. small money is restaurant volume and big money is, is our sales If people have small worries financially, they cut back on going to the restaurant If they have large worries financially, they cut back on on buying cars when people feel comfortable with the long-term economy, you have a robust car business when people are feeling good about day to day finances, you a do very well with. Food Service right now, both of those are are hit pretty hard back with you in just a moment on Newsradio wham eleven eighty welcome back friends you can't fix. Stupid. That was the big quote yesterday out of Peter Navarro, he's the White, house trade advisor and he's the guy who put together the seven hundred and sixty five, million dollar loan for Kodak as we went through in some detail yesterday. there are anomalies there were people who bought stock or who got options in a fashion relative to that announcement and the surge, and Kodak Stock Price that were not a legit on the day before Monday July twenty seventh four execs. At Kodak Kodak got significant significant stock. Options. which the next day made them all millionaires during negotiations, a directed the company and the executive. Chair of the board bought some fifty thousand shares while Kodak was negotiating with the government that likewise made them a millionaires and those things I see his his phrase, you can't fix. Stupid. isn't appropriate here. I mean it's one of those things we throw off and it's a great headline thing but stupidity is not the issue here. VENALITY is right. There's a difference between being stupid and being dom an announced not right. There's been being stupid and be an evil and It is stupid is me I didn't know better I'm dumb or I'm not trained for this or. Or I mean stupidity comes into my life and yours every now and again. venality however is a moral condition. It is a moral choice people who chose to break the rules of fair play are not stupid. They are wicked. And that's what took place here. Almost undeniably. Again. Stupid is Oakland made a mistake right and we all do that. Sometimes, we're all ignorant or dumb or just make bad decisions sometimes about certain things. but when You are taking actions that are obviously unfair and you are being financially benefited by them That's because you are a crook and You can't fix venality I. Work with the dumb man I can't work with a crook. We'll be back with you right after todd heavies newscast, which is up next on newsradio wham eleven eighty. 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Welcome back my friend Welcome back. Andrew Cuomo. Announcing today that he's got a new book American crisis. which will come out about three weeks before the election around the middle of October it is meant to recount how he successfully fought and won the war against a covert and how the federal government under Donald, trump of failed and killed us all. So he's got that coming now it'll be his second book. he wrote a memoir here awhile ago for which he was paid seven, hundred, thirty, eight, thousand dollars which which. For some people, it's big money even in Pittsford at seven, hundred, thirty, eight, thousand dollars he was paid for his memoir. which sold onto only thirty, two, hundred copies. Right. Now. Here's the deal Just by contrast I have written a few different books and they're all short self-published. Meanwhile, they're they're not all self published about half of them have been self published but I, they're they're all crap quite obviously but I have had to books. that I have done that have sold more than thirty, two, hundred copies right the were less than that. But just think about that for a second I. Am an absolute frigging loser idiot Hawking Books in a very small town on the radio, and I have with two separate titles sold more copies of my book than Andrew. CUOMO was able to sell all across New York state and all across the United States right. And again for thirty, two, hundred copies he was paid three quarters of a million dollars. It's hard for me to see that is remuneration. It's far easier for me to see that as a bribe. Of, course, the publishing industry is based in New York City It is supervised by the New York state government and Lo, and behold the publishing industry gave him three quarters of a million dollars for a book that you know. Didn't sell they of course lost money. On that dramatically anyway, we'll leave that alone. I won't talk about something else this Situation. with the murder of a Canary Marshall little three year old boy. We learned I that the alleged murderer Anthony Love was a parolee. One more of these approach lease who seem. Year after year after year to be the perpetrators of the worst and most persistent crime in our midst. Again I, know the fist in the air people are all about how this is an evil system and I. IT prison is bad and punishment is evil and it's all about racism or something like that I'm sure the paint on the street sometime for us so we remember. Anthony Love Parolee. was Mama's boyfriend. and. For Twenty, five years on this show you and I have known that the most dangerous creature walk in the face of the earth when it comes to a little child is Mama's boyfriend. and. Here's the deal for years and years and years you and I have known and said on this broadcast that if a child ends up hurt or burned or beaten or raped or dead, the first place you look is Mama's boyfriend. Mama's boyfriend. There are so many monsters who are brought into the lives of children by their mothers it years ago you and I used to talk about how it there are so many Mama's boyfriend crimes that mother's failure to protect her children from whatever piece of whatever she's brought into the home ought to create for her some criminal liability. You brought this prize home. This is a a savaged, your child or children you are responsible to here's your pear handcuffs is how I've looked at it well. Yesterday we talked about some of the injuries sustained by the Canary Marshall. he had a ruptured spleen he had a a broken pelvis. A broken. Pelvis. Every step you take? Would give you excruciating pain. If you sat down, you would have excruciating pain. If you'd lay down, you'd have excruciating pain. If you turned over in the night, you'd have excruciating pain. Also. You have a lot of stuff inside your the bones of your pelvis. There's a lot of They make what blood cells in and stuff a lot of Merrill whatever Mero does it to hugely important part of your body. he ruptured spleen. Id hit a ruptured spleen. Typically, people will have a ruptured spleen when they are in a car wreck without a seatbelt and they catch steering wheel right in the abdomen with a you know a force. Under the Law of physics, which is almost staggering to comprehend. Kameri Marshall was not in a car wreck he was beaten allegedly by Anthony Love. Now here's the deal in raises issues about the Monroe County child protective. In your remember why folks wanted to get rid of the last county executive because issues at child protective service we had one fellow the supposed Kinda. Shirt tail grandfather of a little girl savagely killed who went on for a couple years by an ad San. We've got a hold the country -secutive responsible. That rule only applies I? Presumed Republican county executives because under the current Democrat County executive it seems that Child Protective Services Was In this home where Anthony Mama's boyfriend was on at least two separate occasions on at least two separate investigations of child abuse. The mother in this home, the Mama of Mama's boyfriend. She had boys who were four and three. By They were half brothers, the father of the four year old boy. contacted child protective services to say that his little fellow had a black eye and that that had come from Anthony Love Parolee and Mama's boyfriend child protective services according to the fatherless boy told him that it had gone into the home and check things out There was a second child protective services visit specifically triggered by injuries sustained by kameri Marshall our a victim in this matter. Monroe. County says because of confidentiality he can't say anything about that. Well I planning like to say my ass. Right I play like to say that woman row county here is doing is covering. It's ass. Right. And if when that poor little girl was murdered in a bad situation, we had a right to know and there was an investigation that told us who went in when and where, and how. Then in this situation where a little boy is killed, we have exactly the same right. And the scrutiny which in the past was against Monroe County's child protective services to tell us how that little girl died needs to be in this situation. I don't know that reporters and town will bring that I. Don't know if there will be that scrutiny. I fear that this is going to be under the rug but the deal and I listen I'm not beating up on the people who work child protective services. I know it is an extraordinarily difficult a job they do right. But again, we spent the last three or four years talking about how the death of a little girl was the result of failed leadership and we needed accountability and explanation, and we need things to be fixed. Well I'm not trying to pay politics here but if that last death was a cause for us to say, we need to have this explained to us we need to find out how we can avoid this happening. Again, this situation is exactly the same. And the demand and the need is exactly the same. The Adam Bellow. Administration had child protective services in this home twice. Right And the Democrats D- Dean ofo over this. And if they were doing anything other than just playing politics, the need likewise to demand that there be disclosure investigation of this matter here. Right. Because The People, society you and me. We funded a child protective services program whoever is supposed to tell them I think there's a problem did their part. Because for both boys child protective services went in they were there at least twice that we know about. Monroe County has an obligation to explain how many visits when what happened. Right, that's what this calls for, and that's not some political vendetta. That's not some political payback. Dad is the standard which Democrats themselves have set and now that they hold power and this heartbreaking act of evil has been committed on their watch. then. There needs to be that same standard of scrutiny and there needs to be that same commitment to fixing what obviously is broken. Right So that's my thought on that to two to eleven eighty the number Remind me something about the Monroe County jail I wanNA. Talk about in just a second after this break on newsradio Ham eleven eighty. One of the one of the issues with child protective service also is. People file. A Lot. Of False. It's a tool that people used against each other right you say, Oh, child protective and the deal is you have X. number of people and you have an awful lot of work the amount of violence against children, and again in our region, it's focused largely in the city of Rochester it exists all across the region, but in terms of numbers and concentration, that's where it is unfortunately. Time, and resources are used allot wasted a lot by people who make false accusations and sorting those out is hard hard and if you're the CPS agent, you know it's not just difficult from a professional standpoint. Also, it's emotional because you know you say all of this is a false accusation in the back of your mind you're saying, yeah. But what if I'm wrong in that kids really being abused right it's a very difficult seat to sit in admire the people who sit there. I'm watching the news early this morning and I'm grateful to the TV stations who put out the news every night i. I enjoy it. I you know I'm benefited by thanks for what you do but one of the it wasn't a story about the sheriff's Office. Per Se but just for half a moment they had a little bit of video from outside the Monroe County jail here in downtown Rochester yesterday. Am I could see the flag there in front of the jail and I saw that the flag was flying at Half Staff And if I could politely Todd Baxter who is a friend of this community admired of by by most A. Very good person whose life has been one of service Rochester Police Department Greece Police Department sheriff of Monroe County. A full career in the united. States army reserve retiring a as a as a as a Master Sergeant. it. His son currently an outstanding ROTC Cadet Army style over at Syracuse University But the flag outside Todd Baxter's jail is at half staff. And I would politely say Sheriff. that represents your governor, but it does not represent you and so you've got to decide is that your sheriff's Department or is it his? And do you. Like some others around here, stand hat in hand fearful of the shadow of the governor or you have the spine to walk out and raised that flag to the top of that staff and let it fly where it belongs. It's a simple straightforward thing. It's a little bit of a gut check right raise your flag sheriff, raise your flag. It's time for news great tide. How will give that to us? We'll be back when he's done on Newsradio wham eleven eighty.

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Mar 23, 2020

Sword and Scale Daily

15:30 min | 7 months ago

Mar 23, 2020

"Hello and welcome back to. Sorta guilty Lee. I'm your host Ryan Williams. It's Monday march. Twenty third coming up on certain scale daily in California. Charles Holyfield was convicted of the Nineteen Ninety kidnapping sexual assault and murder. A thirteen year old Christina Williams Utah Woman is facing murder charges after an autopsy revealed. Her husband died of blunt force trauma not alcohol abuse as she claimed finally an eighteen year old man has been arrested in connection with the murder of sixteen year old. Nevada team. Gabriel Lynn. You Laki. Whose body was discovered near Spring Creek on March eleventh all this more coming up on sorting scale daily. The Monterey Herald reports on Friday March twentieth a judge found fifty nine year. Old Charles Holyfield guilty of the Nineteen Ninety eight kidnapping rape and murder of thirteen year old. Christina Williams. He was sentenced to life in prison. Without the possibility of Parole Christina Williams disappeared on the evening of June Twelfth Nineteen Ninety Eight. She went out to walk her dog near her home in. Fort Ord and did not return forty five minutes later. Her mother went to look for her and found the dog by itself with leash still attached to its caller f-first. Local police believed Williams ran away but three days later the FBI joined the investigation. The agent in charge at the time was Richard Lack now retired. He told the Monterey County weekly the he immediately realized that Williams was unlikely to be run away as the child had been navy officer. Christina was born in Japan and grew up in Hawaii and the Philippines. Her family had only recently been stationed in California and it was her first time. Living in the continental United States searches for Christina Williams. Were carried out in vain until seven months after her disappearance. A Land Surveyor found. The girls remains hidden by branches. In wooded area Holyfield was identified as a suspect early on in the investigation and was interviewed multiple times over. The years he grew up in Fort Ord knew the area well and was known to go jogging on engine road. Where Christina's remains were found holyfield also had multiple prior convictions for sexually assaulting teenage girls. Those cases involved Holyfield attacking kidnapping and raping petite teenage girls. The victims were assaulted while they like Williams. Were out walking the monory area when Holyfield was questioned soon after the remains were found he denied involvement but did not provide an alibi later. He said that he was watching TV with his girlfriend at the time. His girlfriend confirmed the alibi. The investigation cast doubt on Holyfield's alibi on the day of the murder. Holyfield who worked at a cabinet store asked his boss leave early because he had a six. Pm appointment to look in an apartment with his girlfriend. The owner of the apartment confirmed the couple had an appointment but added that they did not show up. They came the next day and while they looked at the place. They got into a loud argument which was overheard by the neighbors. The woman was demanding to know where Holyfield had been the night before and he told her that it was none of her business in two thousand. Eleven girlfriend recanted the alibi but she since changed her mind again and testified to the alibi at his trial in two thousand sixteen an FBI. Cold-case team reexamined the evidence in this case sent. Williams close to be retested for DNA. A male profile was found and match to Holyfield this led the Monterey County District Attorney's Office to charge Holyfield with first degree murder with special circumstances of kidnapping sexual assault in April of two thousand seventeen. The charges made holyfield eligible for the death penalty and the district attorney originally intended to seek capital punishment however in two thousand nineteen after a moratorium on the death penalty was enacted by the governor of California. The district attorney abandoned the plans to pursue death for Holyfield in return for Holyfield giving up his right for a jury trial as well as the right to appeal the verdict and sentence. This would make the trial faster. And the decision final providing the Williams family with some measure of closure. Holyfield is already serving a sense of twenty five years to life for nine hundred. Ninety eight attempted kidnapping our next story brings US TO UTAH. Ku TV news four reports that thirty year old Veronica vis Kara was arrested on Wednesday march eleventh on suspicion of the first degree murder of her husband thirty three year old Carlos. His Kara Corona Unified. Police officers responded to a call about an unconscious. Man at the couple's home in current Utah on Monday march ninth at the scene. They found the victim corona deceased. His wife told the officers. The Krona was an alcoholic and took too much tylenol four months earlier. He was hospitalized due to alcohol abuse. Investigators at the scene noted healing bruises on the deceased man's chest back and face. His car explained the bruises. Were from a fight. That crow had gotten into at work two weeks earlier at some point. The victim's sister also showed up on the scene. She got into an argument with this car and told police. The her brother had not been in a fight at work. Investigators spoke with witnesses including Coronas Co workers and friends. Paul denied that he'd been in a fight at work. Many witnesses said the krona told them he'd been in a fight with his wife on February twenty seventh and that she hit him with a nail gun. Some witnesses provided police with pictures that they had taken of Krona's injuries they match. The injuries noted by officers at the scene on March eleventh. Veronica of his car was arrested for first degree murder on March twelfth. An autopsy confirmed that was an alcoholic and had serious medical issues consistent with that however those medical issues were not the cause of death. Cronin died of injuries caused by blunt force trauma and a ruptured spleen. The injuries were sustained weeks before his death. And we're in the process of healing. His spleen healed because the damage was too extensive Veronica. This car has a prior history of violent crime according to the desert news in October. Two Thousand Nineteen. She pled guilty to assaulting another woman but according to prosecutors his car intimidated the victim on the very day she made her plea in November. She was charged with retaliation against a witness in connection with this incident in January twenty twenty. His car was charged with criminal mischief child abuse and two counts of domestic violence in the presence of a child. Those charges were filed after krona. Told police that his wife was quote drinking alcohol and through Glass Cups at him and his eleven year. Old Daughter after the break. A suspect is arrested in connection with the slaying of Nevada team. Gabriel Lynn Laki now for our final story of the day. Investigators with the Elko County Sheriff's Office announced on Friday that they have arrested a suspect in the slaying of sixteen year old. Gabriel Legno lucky. You lucky his body was discovered on March eleventh between the communities of elko and Spring Creek. The suspect eighteen year old. Bryce dickey was taken into custody on Thursday afternoon. And we'll be charged with one count of open murder dickey. Laki were friends and had known each other for years. Gabriel Lynn. You Lock. He was last seen alive on March. Eighth you lucky. Spent the day with her father. James you Lockheed watching his heavy metal band practice when practice ended around three. Pm James Friends went out for a meal and Gabrielle. GotTa ride home with Dickie. Please join told that Dickie Drove Gabrielle to the Spring Creek High School. Instead of taking her home he claimed the subsequently saw her getting into a Green Ford pickup with an unidentified man wearing a cowboy hat james. You Lucky Gabriel's father told the daily beast. He doubted that story from the start because he didn't believe his daughter would have gotten into a stranger's car willingly. It has since been revealed that Dickie made up the story about a cowboy green pickup truck on March Eleventh Gabriel's body was discovered in burner basin between Spring Creek and Elko after her body was discovered dickey publicly mourned her death on social media. He wrote the following Facebook Post on March thirteenth quote. Yesterday will receive the news that made us hit the floor around eight in the morning. We'll start media but my house to Grieve and Mourn Gabrielle's life which was taken from her far too soon. That day I tears a pain enjoy. I wish he could have seen the amount of us that came together to honor you sis James You lock. He told the daily Beast that Gabrielle dickey knew each other through the local Rodeo circuit and had been friends for years quote. There's no worse betrayal than this because she really thought he was a good friend. Gabriel's close French. Cheyenne Fry told the daily beast. That she too was stunned. Find Dickie was the suspect quote and crushes me. He acted like her friend and she talked to me about him like he was her friend. She called them her big brother before we go. We've an update on a case that we've been following on Friday. The Paso County Sheriff's Office announced that the remains of missing Colorado boy getting starch have been recovered in Florida following the discovery. The El Paso District Attorney's office announced nine new charges against Latisha staunch getting stepmother. Who was accused of his murder? Abc News reported. That Gannon's remains were discovered on Wednesday in Santa Rosa County Florida by Department of Transportation Construction Crew. They made the discovery on interstate. Ninety not far from PACE FLORIDA. Gannon was reported missing from his home in Colorado Springs on January twenty seventh. His stepmother Latisha stage was the last person to see him alive. She told police they had stayed home from school that day. And in the afternoon left to visit a friend and never returned. Latisha stories were vague and inconsistent surveillance. Video by neighbors door. Camera seem to show Latisha leaving the House with Gannon in the morning and returning without him a few hours later on March Second Latisha stopped was arrested in Myrtle beach South Carolina for the murder of Gannon. She was extradited to Colorado and reportedly attacked deputy in Kansas during transfer stock was charged with murder in the first degree of a victim under the age of twelve by person in a position of trust child abuse resulting in death tampering with a deceased human body and tampering with physical evidence on Thursday following. The discovery of Gannon's remains the El Paso County District Attorney's office charged Latisha with nine additional offenses a charge of first degree murder after deliberation and eight counts of crime of violence quote for the alleged use of a firearm. A blunt instrument a knife or another sharp object criminal. Defense attorney. Chris Dekker who is not involved in the case told FOX THIRTY ONE DENVER. The additional charge of murder after deliberation may suggest that the prosecutors theory of the crime has evolved because of new forensic findings on the remains. Latisha starches next court. Appearance is scheduled for April fourteenth. If anyone solid teasha stock in Florida between February third and February fifth please contact the El Paso County sheriff's Department at tips at El Paso Dot Com for today's episode of sort and skilled daily. We hope you guys had a great weekend. Don't forget you can get thirty days of SORE AND SCALE PLUS WITH NO COMMITMENTS. Not Getting charged. You can cancel for the thirty days or up. Just go to soar and scale dot com slash plus. We'll see back here tomorrow. And until then stay safe soared end scale. Daily is an incongruity media production. Your host was Ryan Williams Research and writing by Dr Brock Executive Producer. Mike vide if you like the show subscribe and leave us a review if you have any feedback or suggestions use the email address daily at sorting scale of DOT com. Do you need something to listen to next. We'll check out this other show from cast media and Jacob Tula. I'm Jamie and we're your host of circle talking at each episode. We're going to bring you a new stalking case covering the INS and outs of each stalker. Their victim in their stores weapons. What is he is it a gun ninth yes. She hated me so much. She found my stepmother Brendan her and then was caught making a plan to attack me with my stepmother he shows up to my gallery and he's wearing a spacesuit he looks at me and he goes you look like Jessica Rabbit from the Fifth Element. And then he looks at me very intensely and he goes and I'm GONNA stock you. We hear about the cops not really doing anything or not. Really caring about the crime stock. There's a lot of shaming doctors. The Predator who'd been stalking me for forty years was starting to really interfere with my life and my freedom a lot more than he had been one of those random messages on my idea. It was like I'm coming and I'll see you on this date. I was responding today and then it was like verification of offset all of a sudden I hear a knock at the door so I opened the door and there they six foot something gentleman standing in front of me with a backpack and he looks at me and he said. Are you Erin kind of panicked? Because this isn't Larry. He followed me to my work and he grabbed me. Push me into the door and was I. I'm block unblocked. May Why did he bought me? I'm Jacob Tula Jamie BB. Strictly stocking mayors January's money. We subscribe on Apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts like God. This person won't stop texting me up calling me. You keep showing up everywhere and that's when it's like Oh shit.

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BGN Radio Special: Being "Injury Prone" w/Dr. Edwin Porras

Bleeding Green Nation

32:01 min | 5 months ago

BGN Radio Special: Being "Injury Prone" w/Dr. Edwin Porras

"Hey there podcast pals. I'm John Stolnis. The host of the PHILLIES pod hidden season. One of the shows that make up the good fight podcast family from espy nation. Look the baseball. Season is one hundred and sixty two games long. And there's no way you can watch all those games so make sure to check out my podcast twice a week for all the fills goodness. You could ever want and make sure to check out our other podcasts including the award winning dirty inning with Justin clue and Trevor strunk and continued success with Justin Endless rozier on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast APP. Welcome everybody to this special edition of BGN radio. I am branly Ouden your host here. I wanted to do a special episode. Because why not? It's the off season wherein according to in time for today's special guests to talk about arsons and some other Eagles topics I have Dr Edwin. Porous here with me Edwin. How are you doing here in these quarantine times? I think we're all over here with my wife and I were doing good as can be. What about you guys doing good? And I should obviously mention that Edwin it works for Vinci Points Dot Com. You can check out his work Derek. Also follow him on twitter at FBI. Injury Doc But far listeners. Who Might Not Know You Dr. Porous what can you tell us about your medical experience? Your football experience and then what you're doing for fantasy points. Yes as far as my football experience. You could just call him. Washed up old football player. That's about the extent me now and in terms of training so I did. Four years of Undergrad did an exercise science degree at Kansas State. The can't State University and then I went on to do my doctor physical therapy over the last three years which is essentially diagnosis treatment. And in management of patients who have any type of muscle nerve type of injury and I've really leaned towards the sports performance side of things especially you to sort of my my background. My undergrad. My exercise science stuff Sort of sort of My passion for that came out after I started doing my doctorate classes. I really enjoy doing any type of injury analysis. I really like teaching. I think that's really where my passion lies and I think that's why part of Part of this injury also stuff for the fantasy stuff really came to be With fantasy points now like you said. I'm super fortunate to be over a people with John John Hanson and Joe. Dolan all those people who are fans points they are essentially getting they get this massive team together Are you finished sports guy? I'm sorry honestly you know it's funny. I I am not so much used to be before it got feel like football. Writing became my life and then it just like that consume me and I kind of defense interest. This is the same as it used to be. I totally understand that known. It's it's and it's definitely not everybody but the team that they got together over there sort of I like to joke that it's like the ninety two and one team they have Barfield and Scott Barrett these name set sort of in that like set subsector of all of NFL writing and stuff like that They're sort of sort of a big name guys and I like to joke that I'm Christian Leitner of the ninety two Olympic team. So that's how I feel over there. Those guys are all sort of proven and at this point In that section sector of life anyway so yeah Fantasy points dot com is the website guys. WanNa if you're interested in fantasy football if you want a an edge. I think that that's really the place to go. Even if I wasn't a part of the team I'd be plugging them because it's it's really good team of air so appreciate you ask. Yeah so the biggest reason I want to have you on here Dr Pores today is because I stumbled across some interesting things. You are tweeting about Harsono Is around the time I believe or at least the the time I I saw them as around the two thousand twenty. Nfl draft win. Basically Carson wentz becoming injury prone are the topic of Carson Wentz. Being injury prone emerged again before we even get into Carson Wentz. I wanted to kind of talk about something I found interesting. The you have in your twitter bio you say that injury prone is. Eli that is I think if for a while and I WANNA get into that on a general level like what does that mean. Why is it there I just? I just thought that was interesting. Yeah so it's definitely tongue-in-cheek it's just it's a really complicated answer and it's really difficult to convey on twitter. Which is I think. That's why a lot of people yell at me. I get mad at me. So Ninety nine point nine nine nine percent of the time that I've heard or seen people use the term injury prone from general perspective. It's just it tends to be lazy. Analysis tends to be you slap a label on it. You can't explain it. You don't really know why it's happening. People get hurt. They use narrative an opinion in his lap limits on the problem that I have is that from a general standpoint. Our human body is really really strong. Resilient tough if I go downstairs and I run five miles and come back. There's no reason I'm gonNA come back like twisted ankle. Dislocated shoulder concussion CETERA. Because it's a low risk activity but when you switch the activity and you say let's go get a car and drive seventy seventy five eighty miles per hour and God forbid I get in Iraq. I don't think anybody in their right mind would look at me if I got hurt in that car wreck and say. Oh yeah man. That person's injury prone no right. They'd say a person got hurt in a car wreck the narrative changes for whatever reason when these football players put on their helmets and pads. It's still a high risk activity. So it's actually anomaly to be healthy. I'm GonNa let you guess here Brandon from two thousand twelve to two thousand fourteen. It's Dr Lawrence and he's a an MD did a study you his crew and they tracked five hundred twelve regular season games so essentially you can think of them as like a thousand and twenty four games right. Because it's you take into consideration the eleven starters on each side of the ball so in two thousand and two thousand fourteen games. What percentage of those games would you say were documented as injury? Free if you had to guess I'm GonNa say I'm thinking into low. I'm thinking I'm GonNa say eighteen percent. It is two point three percent of those so twenty three twenty three team games or or if you're just tracking eat just the five hundred twelve the general manager into of actual regular season games. It was it was twelve games. Wow being healthy in the NFL. And that's the point that I'm trying to get across being healthy in the. Nfl is the anomaly. So when people use that bat that phrase that injury prone phrase generally speaking. It's it's going to be wrong in generally speaking it's just sorta Lazy won't get to Carson Wentz specifically here again this is. This is why this is why I found you somewhat across you because again there was all this discussion about Swinson really to put my own editorializing opinion in here I thought it's pretty unfortunate in pretty unfair for Carson Wentz to go out and coming off of last offseason I get it you know. He just finished the season injured again. The ACL tear into seventeen campinas season doesn't eighteen back. Injury COMES UP. Campus the season so understandably. There's all these questions about him. Being able to stay healthy going into the two thousand nineteen season but then carson wentz start seventeen games. No he only gets knocked out at the end of the season because today Dan Clowney like pretty much dives into the back of his head illegally should abandon penalty was not called that But you have the former. Nfl of officiating. Going out and saying that it was. It's each shot so it's not like some kind of minority opinion here. It's just like I'm an eagles writer number Carson Wentz homer whatever and you know. I'm just taking his side like I think. He demonstrated that he could stay healthy and really it was interesting because I feel like the discussion. This offseason really hasn't even been so much about Carson wentz being injury prone to the point where the eagles re signed. Nate failed backup quarterback presumably to be the number two guy and I don't see anyone out there saying okay This isn't good enough. You'll need to do more. But all of a sudden they draft hurts and and we're having this conversation now that the eagles are really smart to drop jalen hurts because Carson wentz injury prone like the discussion has now come up that again now. This is where you come in Dr Puertas where I see you having a tweet here or tweet thread I should say Where you described Carson Wentz his injury risk as minimal. My question for you would be to what extent is Carson Wentz. His injury history concerning. And why would you classify his pass injuries as fluky which I think I've seen you mentioned? Yeah so that's there's so. Many good points there brandon th the thing about Carson Wentz in particular's you nailed it. I mean he had just finished a season where he was injury free in the specific injuries that he's had even if you want to classify them as put them into two buckets right. What was a chance that they were going to happen in the first place? And what are the chances that it'll happen again or decreases performance in? They're all really low. You can start with from general standpoint in that same study. I just mentioned of like four thousand something injuries. Quarterbacks have a one in twelve chance being injured compared to Let's see here linebackers. Twenty one in one hundred running backs twenty one hundred hundred defensive backs twenty three wide receivers. Thirty nine hundred. So you're looking at like half of what these skill positions do less than half. So the chances of quarterbacks getting injured in general in the modern era just is just really low in when you look at. Let's start with the most significant one his ACL tear seventy two percent of of ACL tears or non contacted nature and essentially what you need to know about what that means. Why that matters? Is that because when you tear seal in a non contact manner? There's something funky going on. That's that's the medical term that we that we learned in schools Funky There's something going on with your hip Rotation you're the strength in your hamstrings to strengthen your quad. There's something going on there. And that's just not what happened with wins. Like he just took on a defender. I remember watching when he did that. And I said Oh. My has a brutal hip and he took it the goal line to dive at the goal line. And that's just not going to happen to him again like obviously it's a violent game but I'm relatively certain he probably learned his lesson after that. The Eagles are smart organization. They probably pulled into the office. Who said Hey. Let's watch this game clipping again. Let's not do that again. They're the chances of Redoing that are so low and the fact that alleged. I'll play. I like playing a guessing game because it's so fun. So what? What are the Chances Brandon or I guess? Let's let's put it this way. What percentage of of quarterbacks would you say then that sort of two thousand twelve two thousand fourteen period? What percentage of quarterbacks in a total of one hundred sixty two quarterbacks do you think toward sale in that time period now? I'm cheating here because I have. The answer is a two point five. Oh yeah where'd you get it? I saw your tweet about it. You did say that. Sorry I just get so excited. Share this stuff. No yeah two point five. Yeah that's two point five so the chances and then you also look at the fact that the ACL when you have acl reconstruction reconstructive surgery. That graph that they take what they use to replace the old. Acl that thing heals. It doesn't really fully mature until about twelve to sixteen months so he's well removed from that just like Shawn Watson as well removed from his to acl surgery so like chances that he's GonNa Retailers. Acl are extremely slow and then another part of that study that I found really interesting. Well this is actually different. Study But they looked at every single injury. Nineteen eighty two thousand eighteen. And what they saw in. Acl's and this is quote in ACL. Had a significant negative financial impact on future earnings and was also associated with diminished performance following. Return to play in all. Nfl positions except quarterbacks so this acl injury. According to literature. This isn't my opinion is not going to affect them long term and the rest of the injuries that he's had are sort of the same thing. The wrist injury research showed Going to affect them in the long term the back injury he was twenty. Five I think in peak boned city and this is a little more conjectural more theory but he had those two fractures early in his life and he was like twenty three and then twenty five his bone density is GonNa peak now that he's twenty six twenty seven even though. I'm not saying it won't happen again. Those the that that vertebral fracture you had a super calm. And now that he's stronger. Older his bones are a lot more dance. I'm not necessarily. I don't think that it will happen again is what I'm saying. So it's fair to say them just again to clarify here like it's fair to say. Would you say it's fair to say that? Some of the conversation about him being injury prone is overblown so overblown. I think it's overblown and I and I understand. Though to certain extent like when the average person at a history and they say man. That person has had a lot of injuries and it missed a lot of times. Yeah they have. And that's that's not wrong at the same time you have to look at what the data says sign says have to sort of clinically reason through everything like the cheap shot like you said From clowney that's I mean that's that's just a a a cheap shot. Let's call it what it is right that that shouldn't happen again and like. I said I wasn't extremely violent sport but none of the injuries at Wednesday's had are gonNA be disabling to him in the future and there's very very little reason that statistically they should happen again so we'll take a quick break here and then when we come back Dr Porcelain ask you about some other eagles players on the roster so we'll be back right after this baseball truly. It is awful. I'm phillies writer. Justin CL- join me every week along with John. Stolnis Liz Rozier and Dr Trevor Drunk. 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That's what you get labeled at sometimes when you know you go onto Carson Wentz and you in you defend him that way but kind of going so taking that devil's advocate view like Carson. Wentz hasn't finished the past. Three seasons healthy not doesn't seventeen again Super Bowl Nick. Foles has to come in two thousand eighteen closest. Come in again. Last year it gets knocked out of the playoff game. Josh mccown comes in So my question would be then. When doesn't injury history kind of become more concerning? I think you listen. Example in some of the tweets. I saw you tweet out and specifically kind of I guess Sidney Jones with kind of come to mind to me known eagles player here who had an Achilles tear leading up to the two thousand seventeen? Nfl draft in which is why he fell that year. Thought you could go in the first round. Also the second round and then since then he's had a bunch of kind of Injuries you since then hamstring. Another kind of nagging issues. So so yes. My question for you is like when doesn't injury history of become more concerning yet so an injury history becomes concerning when you see a pattern that a statistically occurs in be from an anatomical physiological level is is makes sense so like an example is a concussion and clavicle fracture in a ruptured spleen in a tornado Seattle. Those are all just out of the out of the Blue. Random injuries The ruptured spleen ACO and clavicle fracture. That's Keenan Allen at the beginning of his of his career and people label him injury-prone And he's been fine since then. That's totally random. Sort of set of injuries when you look at a player like even like you're like Sidney Jones is sort of an example He's got connective tissue issues that he's been dealing with right like of WanNa call muscular issues? The Achilles Tendon is of massive tendon that runs alongside underneath from from the calf and the job of the tendency to pull on the bone and that takes a lot of tensile strength. And that's that you could technically label that as like a muscular strain. And then he like you were saying he had those hamstring strains so that's a pattern where you're seeing okay. Is there something in his muscles or some sort of dysfunction muscle imbalance? What's going on with that That he's just having these these recurrent issues and then I also think about will fuller from the Texans He's unfortunately had this. This injury history since he came into the League even before that of these hamstring strains and now he had a groin strain and so it just sort of feed into each other in the ACL that that will fuller had is is also not a coincidence. Because the hamstrings work to protect ACL and so now he finished the season. The twenty thousand nine season with a groin strain. You really do look at that player in and you and you wonder and I don't have the answers. I don't know I'm not in the in the room with him. I'm not doing this physical. I have his medical records CETERA. Et CETERA. You just you really look at that player and you have to question an end. Sort of view them as okay. This player needs to show me that. They can stay healthy because they haven't been able to show us yet. And that's those are the types of players that I look at and I don't even really label them injury. I just label them as okay. They're not staying healthy for a reason. There's probably an underlying reason for that getting into some of the other eagles players on the roster that have injury concerns and I want to ask you about One to see where you think off Shawn Jeffrey. Anna stands after suffering frank injury in mid December last year When do you think you would be ready to play is the star starting out on the PCP? Obviously assuming the regular start to the season and everything I on a highest notwithstanding and to what extent do you still think he can be effective These thirty years old. He's coming off. The serious injury just wanted to see if you had any thoughts on where he kind of stands he had. That's man and that's the thing about. Alshon Jeffery is I'd like him as a player and so it's really tough to give his type of analysis so hopefully this will show my My impartiality right to eagles players as I'm not. I'm not very very optimistic on on alshon Jeffery and that's just because this recent study that came out on NFL players. They had a list. Frank injury so the average return for these players to frank injury Is about ten months so give or take a couple months there. It can be anywhere between eight eight and eleven twelve months. He's thirty years old. So the likelihood of him coming back before that like nine or ten months markets out a pretty low generally speaking And so that's what you're looking at. So yeah the chances of him coming back and not being on the pup are really really low so even when he does come back unfortunately the study also found that in the first season back these offensive players who come back from List Frank Injury. They have a twenty one percent drop off in performance. And they've measured performance by Receptions touchdowns in yards so that's what you're looking at and you're also looking at If you want to think of another example Hollywood Brown Marquees Brown for the Ravens. He had a list frank injuring. He didn't have the hardware taken out all of two thousand nineteen any. We saw him on the injury report. I think it was like more than half the season. He was on there with an ankle foot. So those are the. That's sort of the to use fantasy terms. That's like the floor on. Alshon Jeffery is he's in and out of the lineup. He's on and off of the injury report. He makes a big play now. And then overall you look at the numbers at the end of the season and he's average or below average in given his age that doesn't really help him and then looking at another wide receiver illegals heavier deshaun Jackson. He's coming off a two thousand nineteen core muscle surgery no. He was awesome in week one with the eagles when they were down. I believe seventeen to seven or whatever it was injured at one point two to Washington week one and they storm back and he looks awesome in Carson. Wentz in him really had a really great connection. Not only in that game. The entire offseason Just watching him. An off season practices. Those two were on the same page. Obviously it'd be a big deal. If Sean Jackson could be effective in two thousand twenty. He's missed an average of five point two games in his last five seasons now also the it hasn't been a great go of it. Ram In terms of Being available in recent seasons. But what do you think about his outlook? He's turning thirty four this year. He's coming off of this surgery. To what extent do you think Deshaun can still be effective here? So I will flip flip the narrative a little bit with the Sean just because of the type of player that he is he has had these injuries before so he had a groin strain like even debt back in two thousand nine two dozen Tan. I think it was. And then he had and then he he winner longtime without getting another one other than he had some hamstring injuries. Any went until twenty seventeen and eventually at thirty three years old. He finally had surgery on saying this. Is His third Groin Groin. Uh pull that. He had that he hadn't fixed it and so the fact that he's a burner really really sets him back without doing that surgery. The good news is that when they did the surgery on a total of fifty seven. Nfl players This is Dr Jack in his in his His crew they did it on offense and defensive players they found that the pre and post sort of a on the performance and the career length did not change whether they had this surgery or not. So that's that's good news for Sean in other words He's having the surgery and from an average standpoint. He should be. He should be good to go. He should be low recurrence rate He should be able to sprint down the field. That's that's his specialty Even though he is thirty three years old the dude is just an absolute beast of athlete. And the fact that he had the surgery luckily tells us that he's not he's not going to have necessarily a drop off because of the surgery. The only concern that you have and it's sort of a minimal concern really. Is You. Combine his age along with sort of his his specific skill set. And you just hope that he hasn't lost a step but like I said the research says that shouldn't happen At the same time he's older than the subjects that were in this study. So you take that with for what it's worth Given his his his role in that offense I think that he can still be successful. I think he can still take the top off the defense even if he's not making a big play one last question for your maybe another Preppy you with his arm to throw throwing this at the end here but that just kind of in my head. We were talking about this so the eagles have kind of injury issue. As an as it's bad they've gone on the more injured. Deans in the League. the past couple of years and they actively address that this off season they actually hired To significant hires in terms of a new director of sports medicine former Vikings coordinator of rehabilitation last assistant athletic trainer. Tom Uncle and they also hired former rams director of strength training and performance. Ted Rask's was also Sean McVeigh's get back. Coach knows him from that video. Where he's holding. Sean mcvay act out was a trainer. That's hilarious. Yeah Yeah So. That's that's as Philly's new director of sports performance so When you look at adjusted games lost by football outsiders. Both of those guys brothers teams. I should say it's hard to attributed to one guy there but they have kind of encouraging track records in that these are these are guys who've been on medical staffs where the team has been pretty healthy over the track record that they've been with. Is there anything to that like? I've kind of thought like okay. There's some kind of reason to be optimistic here again. It's simple to me. Probably as you hire these guys and then now. Your team is healthy. The fact that like they're coming from These these places where players have been able to stay healthy. Do you think there's any kind of value that can be brought just in terms of what they know how they've seen things don guy. I definitely do the thing about the eagles so is that they've been again on impartial. I have no horse race. I you know I basically become an eagles fan. I guess by proxy because of my Buddy Band that I told you we did a podcast. All Twenty nineteen together every week. He was asking to eagles question. So I had to answer those questions and so I did a lot of research on the eagles. But they're pretty smart organization in yeah. I'm sure you're well aware of this. They they are sort of they abide by what the data says they bye-bye analytics They make really smart decisions. I just think that a lot of teams do have bad luck in like we were saying if you think about Carson Wentz if you want him into into the injuries that they've had over the last few years and you sort of look at it and say Oh yeah well if Carson Wentz has been just sort of unlucky sort of fluky than that really contributes to the narrative that they've had a lot of Injuries and it's not so much that they have more so I'd have to sit down and really tabulate if they do have more injuries On average or if they're just sort of bigger star names if that makes sense but there is some there's value to be had in in the training staff there's value to be had in the Rehab Staff And it's not just the head the head physician either because the athletic trainers are really the unsung heroes of that medical of that medical staff. The physical therapists. They're the ones who spend time day after day. Hour after hour with the players in their rehab in their pre the strength and conditioning coaches at that set up all of their Their off-season workouts in routines. So those are the people that really do. Make a difference to make an impact So it's definitely it shows me that by hiring those people. The Eagles are at least aware of what the narrative is about them and they are also just for their own players health and safety. They're taking it seriously. Which is something that you really really have to respect. I was having this conversation with Tom. Symonds who's also over fantasy points dot com. But I was saying to him. It's that I would be surprised. I would be shocked if a team like a team. That's still in the dark ages. I won't point any specific teams out. That doesn't necessarily use data in analytics as much to their favor in it shows on the field and IT shows In a lot of different A lot of different aspects. But you can also consider the seahawks. The seahawks are they tend to lie on the On the high side of the on the low side of average like they have better injury quote unquote luck when they draft their players in. That's because they do their research that because that's because they look at the data that I'm citing right now and they just tend to have better quote unquote luck now that luck. There's probably a little bit of understanding and skill set. That comes to that but when it comes to the eagles hiring these these new these new guys coming on board. I think it shows that they're serious and it shows that they understand that there might be an underlying probable okay so one final question for you have Carson Wentz baby go you. You've explained your outlook on him. So how do you feel then kind of about the eagles as a whole it's from a general perspective heading into the twenty twenty season Like what's your outlook for them you know given that you're feeling like Carson Wentz. You might be more optimistic. I guess on him than some others might be some neutral observers. Might be who you know. Think he's just going to get hurt again or whatever. Well I think that I I some people were taking me and saying saying what I think. The one thing that I want to get across to Brandon is I'm not saying or predicting Carson wentz will be injury free. I'm not saying I'm not saying he's not going to get hurt. It's a violent game we just talked about how being you know. Being healthy is an anomaly. What I'm saying is that the data tells us and my clinical reasoning in my education tells me that his his injuries were statistically just the the. The chances of that happening were low in the chances of them happening again are even lower. So I'm that's what I'm saying. So when it comes to the twenty twenty season for the eagles I mean Mile Sanders healthy right. I think you guys your guys is offensive. Line is relatively healthy. You guys drafted a a couple of speed guys in the draft. I mean from physical performance standpoint and from a health standpoint that that offense is looking really really good to me. And that's like like you said that's from like neutral observer. Well DOC REPORTS FOR JUMPING ON. I really appreciate the insight I I learned a lot. I hope the listeners learned a lot as well again up. Do you have any final thoughts? Any final things. You WanNa plug before we head out. No I really appreciate having on Brandon. It means a lot and I wasn't clear in the beginning you call me. Dr Pours the whole time super respectful. I'm sorry you could just call me. I should have made that more clear but I appreciate how respectfully especially were And this was a good time man. I like talking about Arsenal Winston is in his injury. Everybody make sure you go to fantasy. Points Dot Com. If you're a fantasy player also follow Edwin on at on twitter at F. B. Injury Doc. Again Takata's work as he said on fantasy points DOT COM also. Follow finci points on twitter. That's fantasy P. T. S. So make sure you do that. 'cause allows people over there again. Joe Dolan also a affiliate guy feel like that. I think that's fair to say he just he just took Carson wentz in our in our fantasy league that we're actually it's funny. Of course he did so we get him on. We have to get him on each turn right down the aisle me out for not having so look forward to that. Thanks again for jumping on. This has been a busy and radio special edition. We will talk to you next. Hey there podcast pals. I'm John Stolnis. The host of the PHILLIES pod hidden season. One of the shows that make up the good fight podcast family from espy nation. Look the baseball. Season is one hundred and sixty two games long. And there's no way you can watch all those games so make sure to check out my podcast twice a week for all the fills goodness. 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The David Family

"Rachel David looked down to the street below as she sat upon the railing of her eleventh story. Sweet. Angry onlookers were chanting the words Jump Bits John. This episode contains violence against children listener discretion is advised. Charles Bruce. Longo, was born in Yonkers New York on November Ninth Nineteen Thirty Eight. To a wealthy prominent area Dr. His mother was Episcopalian and his father was Italian. He also had a younger brother named Dean who went on to become a police chief in Florida. Bruce was described as striking in handsome as a young man. Not Very. Athletic but fun. Loving inactive. This description came from a neighbor. His mother however. described him as self centered as he thought, he was better than others because his dad was a wealthy doctor. Bruce went to Gordon High School and upon graduating in nineteen fifty five. He enlisted in the Marine Corps. While in the service, he became friends with members of the LDS Church and began attending services with them in nineteen fifty eight he returned to yonkers where he was baptized as a member of the church. He served in the LDS run version of the boy scouts and it is said that he was a strong influence on the young people. In nineteen sixty bruce was called to serve a two year mission to Uruguay. Bruce funded this mission himself. It was while on his mission that the first inklings of mental instability began to surface. It is not uncommon for symptoms to show and someone that already has a propensity for mental illness. While they are serving a mission he was hearing voices and told Church officials that he planned on becoming an apostle. Despite. This onset of mental illness, he was able to memorize the book of Mormon. That's the LDS church companion scripture to the Bible. and. He was described as a zealot. After serving eleven months of his two year mission, he was sent home. He had contracted hepatitis and was continuing to hear voices. This is typically not done unless it is deemed absolutely critical for the health of the missionary. Groups was briefly hospitalized for psychiatric evaluation and treatment for his hepatitis. But. He continued to have visions. An example of what zealot Bruce Truly was it has been said that he was responsible for baptizing his doctor and a nurse that cared for him in the hospital. Shortly after he was released, he headed to Brigham Young University. A credible school owned by the? LDS. Church. And Young L. students go there hoping to find their eternal companion? That's Analia term for husband or wife. Bruce majored in Spanish and minored in political science. He met market Brigada, Ericsson, a fellow student at Byu from Sweden. Marquise was born on November fourth nineteen, thirty, nine in Sweden and was converted to the Church at the age of eighteen before attending Byu. She was described as soft, spoken and easily influenced. Bruce proclaimed markets roommate that he had a revelation that the two were supposed to get married Market is said to have been slaughtered by Bruce's proposal. He was good looking and charming man. She dropped out of school and the two were married in. December of nineteen sixty one. By the time Bruce graduated in nineteen, sixty five. The couple had two children and the family moved to Salt Lake. City. Around nineteen sixty-nine? Bruce claimed to have had a revelation saying that he was going to be the next Prophet of the Church. In nineteen seventy, the Standing Prophet of the LDS Church David o McKay passed away. Bruce was sure he was going to be named as his replacement and was severely depressed when that role was handed to Joseph. Fielding. Smith. Bruce had been in contact with church officials during this time professing to be God, the Holy Ghost or the Messiah and demanding all ties from the members be paid to him. Bruce was excommunicated from the church for apostasy as was Margate. Shortly. After this, he grew out his hair and let his beard get long and legally changed his name to Emmanuel David and markets name to Rachel. Emmanuel was the clear patriarch of the family. And Rachel dutifully took on her role as the subservient wife. Emmanuelle David's formed a cult of about thirteen followers. Many of whom were family members with some being friends almost all had been excommunicated from the Church and took on the surname of David. Emmanuel continued to claim he was the Messiah and taught his followers to refer to him as such. At various times he referred to himself as the Holy Ghost, God and Jesus all wrapped up into one. He seemed truly believed this about himself and salted his family and followers. Emmanuel acquired a heavy finally crafted long sword that he carried with him at all times claiming it was his holy weapon. It was inscribed with the words. Holiness to the Lord one side and David on the other next to a star of David. Emanuel moved his family along with this call to a small town called man. Named after city in the book of Mormon. Like most false prophets, Emmanuel was charismatic and was able to convince some prominent people in Manai to donate to is called. During their stay in man tied, the David's opened a knife crafting business that was run by the cult members. Which is one way they supported themselves. The members also became adept at scamming people into donating money for supposed- family emergencies. These scams caught the attention of the FBI and David and his followers were under investigation for wire fraud. In Nineteen, seventy, one, the day family and his devout group of followers moved out. And took residence inn hotels across different states mostly in the West leaving unpaid bills in their wake. They. Made their way back to Salt Lake City in nineteen seventy seven and moved to the International Dunes Hotel in downtown. Salt Lake. City. By this time, the David's had seven children. who had all been given biblical names. Rachel worn in nineteen, sixty two Elizabeth. Sixty three. Joshua nineteen sixty eight. Deborah Nineteen sixty-nine. Josefa nineteen seventy. David Nineteen. seventy-one. Rebecca Nineteen seventy-two. Their given names were Marcy Eva Frank Anthony, Deborah Rebecca and Charles. Bruce. Day to carry the surname of David. The David Children were home schooled by Rachel, the mother and had never been to public school. Lessons taught were reading art math and Bible. Study. They were described by those who are able to see them as clean, neat literate, and well behaved. Their skin was milk white no doubt from being kept in the suite most of the time. The, boys were their hair embrace like their father. The girls hair was long and parted in the middle. pulled. Away from their face by Baratz. They were never permitted to use the hotel swimming. Cool. Water is considered a place where the devil has a strong influence. There is speculation that this may be why. The David's kept the children sheltered from the outside world and would only allow them to speak to others with Emanuel's permission whenever the maids came in to clean their sweet. The children were ushered into another room until the cleaning was complete. This hotel suite, they lived in cost ninety dollars a day. And it was paid daily with cash. Bye Emmanuelle with a crisp one hundred dollars bill. They would order food in from expensive restaurants in the area as Emmanuel had a big appetite and was a large man weighing around three hundred pounds and standing at six foot four. It was figured that the David's needed about three hundred dollars a day to maintain their lifestyle. That's equivalent to about twelve hundred dollars in today's money. Emmanuel did not work and hadn't since nineteen, sixty five except for an odd job here and their. Families living expenses were being funded by its members. Some, selling their homes and belongings and haning the proceeds over to the David's. Even. Perspective members would pay for the privilege of belonging to this called. With one such and giving the David's twenty, five, thousand dollars. Another devoted follower who had been a member of the famed Tabernacle Choir one time. Con- Some of those members and friends out of money to hand over to the David family. This cult member was convicted of wire fraud and spent five years in prison. He used the story of paralyzed nine year old girl in need of money for medical expenses as the con- he pleaded guilty to the charges, but in later years he denied being involved in any illegal activities. Needless to say, there was all manner of fraud and scams going on in those years that never fully came to light. This all speaks to the effectiveness of Emmanuel's charm. This was especially evident in the influence in hold he had on his wife Rachel. She was described as unusually subservient to Emmanuel. Probably due to the fact that she actually believed he was God or at the very least a prophet. Emmanuel. sister-in-law stated that Rachel followed her husband around like a puppy dog. Emmanuel David had friends outside of the call that helped him as well by loaning him money and use of their vehicles. One such friend was a man of means was a missionary companion of manuals while in Uruguay. This man is still living so I won't use his name as he has struggled throughout the years forgiving Emmanuel cash and loans, and just generally buying into Emmanuel stories. This friend was under the impression that Emanuel had access to money due to his extravagant lifestyle. Emmanuel really pulled one over on this guy and took advantage of his kindness. On July thirty, first nineteen, seventy, eight. Emmanuel entered his friends place of employment panicked out of breath stating that he needed to borrow his truck. The friend handed the keys to Emmanuel offie drove. Destination Unknown to anyone but himself Pine. Crest Canyon is located just east of Salt Lake City. It's filled with houses now, but in the seventies, it was used for outdoor recreation. On August I, a hiker discovered the body of Emmanuel. David. In the driver's seat of the truck. He had rigged a new garden hose from the exhaust pipe to the inside of the truck he had borrowed and use clot to seal off any potential leaks. Emmanuel David had committed suicide. All afternoon and has a report, Sandy Patrick Bruce David Longo who died several days ago did and did indeed live high his disciples seemed to be. The reason was able to do this. For example, a owner of the Fleur de Lis restaurant and expensive French cuisine outfit in town says Longo ordered food to be catered regularly to the international hotel. Usually, I was told the bill was one hundred and ten dollars sometimes one, hundred, forty dollars for dinner plus twenty percent tip when marguerite gales of the Fluid Elise delivered she said the children were already seated at the hotel room table. David Longo bought his clothes at dallies big and tall store size fourteen shoes fifty inch waist size fifty-six jackets those costs three hundred dollars each in the last six weeks alone. The cult leader spent three thousand dollars on clothes according to Jack Sanders of dallies. Well people I talked to today who knew Emmanuel Bruce David Longo. Call. When Longo has ever actually worked the money, he lived on May have come partially from the state of a deceased father who was a prominent yonkers New York physician some money came from former disciple by the name of Washburn Chipman said to have had an inheritance and more recently Longo apparently got money from disciples engaged in fraud by interstate telegram the local FBI, and us. Attorney's office recently in May. This year got disciples Sterling James Peacock sent to the federal penitentiary. Now evidence we have gathered into cage that peacock known as Moses gave money to his Prophet Longo Peacock. Got The money by telling people falsely that he had a daughter in. Salt Lake Hospital who needed money another disciple of longos is under investigation right now for similar type of fraud. Well together these disciples took thirty, eight, thousand dollars from suckers in the last eight months alone. The FBI says Bruce David Longo himself has been under investigation and wasn't under investigation at the time of his death assistant attorney. Steven. Snark told me today they never could actually prove that long ago made his disciples commit the fraud the FBI was looking for longer about the time he committed suicide on Monday it seems that long goes spiritual world his religion was coming to an end very fast for very material reasons and Austin lifestyle apparently supported by common theft. Officers arrived at the International Dunes Hotel the next day to inform Rachel of her husband's death. The officer stated that she didn't seem shocked just agitated am worried. She told the officers that her husband had been depressed and had a better place to go. She also added that she had no way of paying for his funeral. Rachel, who is wholly dependent financially on her husband Emmanuel. Must Seville desperate and add a loss as to what to do next. It is said that she made a call to her family who lived in Denmark at the time. She spoke to the hotel manager that night and asked if he would work with her until she got her finances worked out. She even spoke to a delicatessen manager that night about enrolling her kids in school. Although we will never know what transpired when the family ride back at their suite at eleven pm on that night. We do know what happened at approximately seven fifteen on seventh nineteen, seventy eight. Jim Bradley the Hotel Manager who had just spoken with the new widow, the previous evening. Was Standing at the front desk when his wife who also helped manage the hotel approached him and said quote Jim, they're jumping from the balcony. Unquote. Jim Exited the hotel and went to the east side of the building where a crowd of onlookers was gathering. Witnesses that saw the whole event state that who we now know as Rachel walked her kids to the railing of room eleven five. There she pushed Joseph Eight David Seven and Rebecca six up and over the railing. At. least two of these younger children. Clung to Rachel before going over. After that the older children Rachel Fifteen. Elizabeth Fourteen Joshua Thirteen and Deborah. Nine. Stood on folding chairs that were stacked next to the railing. An jump without provocation from their mother. All the wildest was happening. The crowd was yelling at Rachel to stop. But it was to no avail. After the children had gone over. Rachel stepped up and sat on the railing for around thirty seconds. The crowd was angry at what they just witnessed began chanting jump bitch jump. And, that is exactly what she did. Looked at him up. Up The move. And the last person pause for a while and then went. Just went over the edge I. Get yelling old God stops them stop, and then we could we could see some observers up on the platform. They're all were members of the Emmanuel David family the Father Emmanuel committed suicide by fixing the Asian Monday his body was found yesterday in a pickup parked up a canyon when deputies last night told his wife Rachel about the suicide she said it didn't surprise her that her husband had said he was ready for the next World Emmanuel considered himself the true profit the Messiah God is family and a few close friends believed him this morning, the mother and the three children who voluntarily jumped apparently decided to join him in the next world. Six of the David family members landed on a canopy roof of the hotel coffee shop nine stories down then onto the sidewalk. Three fail the entire eleven stories onto the sidewalk. One of the boys ended up in the gutter. Witnesses say that the youngest daughter Rebecca. Desperately grabbed onto the railing and Rachel pride her fingers loose. This was confirmed when an autopsy was performed on her by the bruising on the tips of her fingers. And broken fingernails. They were all taken to area hospitals where they were all pronounced dead upon arrival or shortly thereafter. Except one. Rachel the eldest child of Rachel and Emmanuel David. She just literally mangled both of her legs. All of bones above the legs are broken. She fell ascribe with something and she's twitter pelvis. And literally tore right up into the Donald Kennedy, she sustained some Donald injuries including ruptured spleen. She also has a slight bruise on the long and she also has a veteran shoulder that's an open fracture. At. First, it was thought that it was Elizabeth was still alive. It was later confirmed that it was Rachel. Rachel was admitted to the shock and trauma unit of the LDS hospital. She was in a coma and doctors weren't sure if she was going to survive. She immediately went into surgery where she was administered twenty one units of blood. About a week into her hospital stay. She was listed in stable condition. Although she was still unconscious. After two weeks, she was still on a comma however, the doctors felt that she was gaining consciousness. After multiple surgeries to repair the damage from the fall to her broken body. She regained consciousness. Rachel. was kept protected from the public. So little is known about what happened to her after being released from the hospital. It is known that she lived in a foster home for a time and has been in different care facilities in the Salt Lake Valley throughout the years. She lived with her uncle. Jacob David. Who became her legal guardian and other cult members in Colorado until recently. While staying with him, she was not able to remember what happened that day. At one point she stated to her uncle quote. I want to shove it all out. I want my family back unquote. She can't walk she can raise her body with the use of a walker. She would pass the time by doing paint by number are. She loved coffee and listening to Neil Diamond. She believes her father will return someday as God because. He never lied to her unquote. According to inside edition whom she didn't interview with in Nineteen ninety-three. She has continued to try to follow the suicide order has attempted to kill herself several times. She is now in a long term care facility in Idaho, and is still in a wheelchair. She is sixty six years old. epilogue. Autopsies on the victims revealed they all sustained fractures of the legs, ankles or pelvis indicating that they went down seat I. Spectators claim that none of the victims made a sound as they were falling. Medical Examiner stated that it was common for people who jumped willingly from heights to make no sound at all. The police found a five dollar. Bill Manuals Wallet. And sixty five dollars cash in Rachel's purse. There were no suicide notes. None other children were wearing shoes and they were found neatly placed in plastic bags. In a closet in the sweet. After the deaths Emmanuel Smother Luzon. And brother Dean arrived in. Utah informed the authorities they weren't interested in taking any the belongings of the David family and that they didn't have the money to provide funeral services. When officials went through the hotel to gather the family's belongings. There were several drawings. The kids had done in honor of their father. One note that was written by two of the children read quote. Dear, Daddy and Mama. We hope the temple goes. We hope we get the watches soon. We. Hope we get to go to hotel you toss sooner than soon as. We Hope California is destroyed. Love Joseph and David Unquote. It was clear that the children revered their mother and father. And took their teachings to heart. The made from the Hotel David, stebbins. With regrets. For not reporting the parents to social services. It is speculated that the reason Emmanuel committed suicide was loss of disciples which resulted in less cash. The pending investigations. An unfulfilled prophecies. One failed prophecy was California with into the ocean. Another one is at Salt Lake City would be consumed by fire. The state paid for the burial of the eight family members at a cost of three, thousand, four, hundred, and seventy, two dollars. Their caskets were gray and there was a spray of flowers placed on each one. Pink for the girls and yellow for the boys. Parents, caskets were bare. Emmanuel smother lose an Longo and her brother Dean Longo Rachel's brother. Lennart. Eriksson. Eighteen members of the press and about one hundred onlookers attended the small graveside service that was held. The Lord's prayer was recited and Jim Larkin of Larkin Funeral home gave the eulogy. He asked for a moment of silence from the crowd since he didn't know what the David's beliefs were. He said quote. The way they lived was no more mystery than the way they died unquote. They were all buried in one unmarked grave until recently when headstone was purchased for the family. As recently as ten years ago. Members of this called still remained and believed that Emmanuel would return to Earth as God. So cloudy, you chose to listen to the tail at the David family. Please follow crime story on facebook twitter and INSTAGRAM. If you have case suggestions there's a form on crime terrarium, dot com, you can fill out. If you like listening to cases, I cover why not subscribe crematorium on your favorite podcast APP. Also if you feel so inclined rate in review, prematurely him on Apple podcasts or any other platform that supports reviews. Crematorium has a Patriot on page. Were three dollars a month patrons received early release episodes. As the PODCAST grows bonus content will be included in one of the here's. The, link to the patriarch page will be in the show notes ominous check. 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Democratic National Convention Thoughts

Bob Lonsberry

27:21 min | 2 months ago

Democratic National Convention Thoughts

"It's a great time to get a great deal on a new car when you get approved for an auto loan from Penn said our powered by truecar rates as low as one point, three, nine percent APR, a new vehicles finance for a longer term to lower your monthly bill plus take up to sixty days schedule your first payments, join Penn Fed, and together we'll keep you moving forward. Anyone can apply visit fed dot org slash auto or call one, eight, hundred, two, four, seven, five, sixty, six to perceive any advertised product must come a member of pen insured by NCUA. It's time for Bob. Lonzo Cherry on newsradio. Eight I appreciate tack good. Morning Rochester. It's probably not. A good to ask a Republican what he thought of the Democratic National Convention speeches last night. but nonetheless, here's my takeaway and understand my perspective per chance. You are a Democrat and you are still on a high from this big talk up from your leaders, and if so I I'm happy for you. But. What I heard was a lot of we hate trump and we hate republicans. I saw a lot of anger and maybe most particularly in Kamala Harris who was some odd. kind of mixture of lice lifeless nece and rage, and when I took away from what she said primarily is that America's very bad country. That it is riven by racism and sexism and classism, and that this is a place that we all ought to be embarrassed to be from. A there's an awful lot of anger against trump and those who voted for him in those who support him. What I think I heard was that if you're a Republican, you're the problem. If you're a Republican, you're the enemy and you know I guess that's where we are in our politics today. Then, no one really has anything to offer at least what we've seen in this convention thus far this week no one has anything to offer. Except anger and bitterness towards the other side. Yeah I'm not exactly sure what the case for the Democratic Party or candidate is but I do know that the Democrat candidate stands for and the Democratic Party is unified around the principle of hating trump and Republicans. And you know if you're going to be the hate your neighbour party, I, guess, that's your prerogative. It's a free country. But it's a divisive. A Gospel is so funny I saw you know Bob Duffy great fellow great fellow. He you know posted this morning some you know mean kind of deal some. You know quote off saying you know we should love each other I couldn't remember since I started reading it. I heard birds, singing darlow butterflies flitting around. And I just WANNA say no amount of wiping your political Dan will get rid of the stink. And no amount of pretending that were all about civility and brotherhood is going to erase the fact that we're being treated nationally. We being very small television audience I in nineteen sixty rather dramatically more people watched those the presidential conventions are watching today, which is something to think about, but the point is that. We have been treated too a buffet of hate your neighbour. And you know when you trash trump when you trash his supporters. I think if you look at polls, you have to understand that you're spitting in the face of something like forty, five, forty, six, maybe forty, eight percent of the American population. and. I just don't know from either party when you so reject. the other half of America. You really don't create any prospects for true representation for those people you make them electorally desperate is what you do. The thing is I. Guess the way at setting up is that if you? are a Republican. The only chance you have of being respected or represented for the next four years in American governance is to have your candidate win. and. There is no thing where I'm the president of all the Americans and truly want to reach out and understand and love and support Rather I'm the president of all the Americans means you'll do what the hell what to however I tell you to do, and it's just an unfortunate deal. You. You hope that you could turn to lead players and here messages of aspiration and hope. you know the city set on the hill let's go to better things but you know we're now at. Night, three of we hate those bastards. So at political discourse twenty twenty, it's time for traffic and weather on the tens on newsradio eleven eighty. newsradio Cami Levin Eighty weather brought to you by William Muhtar hurt in Car Call William Muhtar it's going to be sunny today. The temperature will probably get to about eighty be a great day fifty, six, eight eleven and you're listening to news radio WHAM eleven eighty. Just. So in the new just moments ago, we heard a van Anri White, the president of the Rochester City School. District Board of Education get up there and say that what his superintendent had some forty eight hours previously announced was impossible. Leslie Meyer. Small. The Superintendent of schools. Get that call if you gentlemen is the. If you are free to get that call. One of you have be grateful I'm I I get this thing where I stare at the little thing and I see people calling ringing and ringing and I go psycho over. If you are calling, please please keep calling and ringing anyway here's my deal So Andrew Cuomo the local dictator fellow. He says I'm GonNa Cut the funding to any number of everything by twenty percent. So and that includes schools and the Rochester. City. School district is heard that like every other district and So they're they're you haven't and what happened is the Superintendent Day before yesterday said I want in she says to all her subordinate entities, the schools, the organizations, the staff's we're going to lose twenty percent of our staff. Now here's the thing. That the math on this doesn't work out, but we'll give the superintendent the benefit of the doubt. Okay. No the the state is reducing its funding twenty percent. Leslie Myers Small and we're going to, presume. That this is a legitimate leadership move and not just some stunt to create publicity because we hate trump 'cause you won't give us money I'm saying. He'll is if the state reduces it's money to the school by twenty percent and the superintendent then turns around and says to all portions of our operation We must reduce expenses by twenty percent beginning immediately. Wrong with that mathematically. It presupposes, of course that the state of New York is the only funding stream for the Rochester City School district it of course is not there also city dollars. They're also a federal dollars. There are also some county dollars right there. There are various revenue streams, the state money of course is significant no doubt about that. But the state money is nowhere near one hundred percent of the budget of the Rochester City School District Rochester. City Council puts in a very large amount of money, right? So the twenty percent by the superintendent I think is more for show because again it you know Ma- mathematically it's like Stop it now but anyway, the point is she nonetheless said I wanNa cut a twenty percent chop chop let's get after it. And you know we're still at the level of presuming at these things should be taken seriously. You said it. We're going to presume that you mean it. Okay and then the very next day printing for the cameras. There's the school board president ostensibly the superintendents boss saying that's impossible. It can't be done. No no no, it can't be done. Well, which which is, and also like if I am you know if the superintendent is sincere. What she wants done. Okay and if I'm one of her subordinates, an principle I'm in charge of this or that or the other and. I get the order from the superintendent saying cut twenty percent and I go man that's GonNa be hard and I probably have to skip lunch and I might lose my personal assistant in this. This is very I don't know I don't this is not going to be fun and then on the six o'clock there's a the school board president saying it's impossible it can't be done. If I am the recalcitrant subordinate. I turn to the superintendent and I say. It can't be done I mean Van Wyk just said so. I'm sorry man, but it can't be done. It's one of those things within an organization you can't have you know contradictory orders issued because it impedes good order and discipline, and like actually getting crab done to two to eleven eighty, we'll be back with you in a moment on Newsradio ham eleven eighty newsradio. Eighty weather brought to you by William. Muhtar, hurt in a car call William Muhtar. Kobe a nice day kids delightfully cool this morning get y'all invigorated because. Let me tell you need some frigging invigoration body will stay sunny and get to about eighty. It's fifty, six at eight, twenty one and you're listening to news radio WHAM eleven eighty. Apparently. The Goodyear Blimp Company also makes tires. Because I don't. Hold it. You you turned off my microphone. Okay. All right. Now what I'm saying like really cool hip stuff. laskey turns off my microphone. Okay. Not a big deal. Don't worry about it I. Know There are two those. Deciding which one to operate is I'm only kidding but I back to my fascinating insightful, a diatribe on goodyear. The you probably have seen on your phone or whatever else like that. There was a few days ago is someplace in Ohio at the Goodyear Tire Company. They were having some sensitivity training 'cause that's really important to tires stuff like that. No. When I'm looking at a a double by playas radio whatever like that I I want to know that that workforce was appropriately trained in all things relative to sensitivity. I'm just glad they've gotten rid of the white walls because I think we all understood what that message was. But Anyway, my point is that they're at work and they're having a little bit HR training and. Up, comes a a slide and it's a it. There's zero tolerance things that will be tolerated in the workforce and things that won't be tolerated in the workforce. And they had a two columns was labeled acceptable. The other was labeled unacceptable on the acceptable side. It said black lives. Matter is okay. You can do you can have signs or where shirts or buttons or whatever long like that. you can have lesbian gay bisexual transgender pride. signs and shirts whatever like that posters. That's all good. you cannot have blue lives matter. That's unacceptable. Zero tolerance for that. You cannot have all lives matter. That's unacceptable. Zero tolerance for that. You cannot have Maga- tire who would that be like work close it mega is make America great again. So the yeah. Yeah. Go anyway probably that red hat thing and also you can't have and also political affiliated slogans or material. All right. So, probably, people are a little a gift. That you can have black lives matter, but you can't have blue lives matter who doesn't seem in keeping with the spirit of like free thought and free speech and have your own opinion. Well, a good year says what that wasn't a an official corporate slide no. The local people made it. It trump gets on at trump says, well, we got a boycott goodyear and here's the thing I have no idea like what brand of tire I have or the tires have brands but here's my thing I grow weary of boycotts and if you WanNa have stupid political of is that I do or don't agree with I'm I'm really not gonNA, carry that with me when. I go into making my commercial decisions I tried to do business with local businesses and with American products and companies whenever I can. But beyond that, I don't know if I can go through your whole political thing and decide whether or not I agree with you before I decide whether or not I want to use your product news with Todd, how these next on newsradio Pam eleven eighty. Pro Pay tax. Plugin that. We deliver propane straight to you extend your. Plan. Does. Through. Pain. Taxi. Pentax dot com what's cooking this weekend? If Ruins your plan, then make it easy on yourself. Go to propane taxi dot com enter Promo Code. V Ten fourteen, dollar I barbecue tank exchange delivered to your door. It's that easy propane taxi so you can focus on family friends and fun. It's a great time to get a great deal on a new car when you get approved for an auto loan from. Our powered by truecar rates are as low as one point, three nine percents APR a new vehicles finance for a longer term to lower your monthly bill plus take up to sixty days. To schedule your first name, it's join Penn Fed and together we'll keep you moving forward. Anyone can apply visit Penn Fed dot org slash auto or call one, eight, hundred, two, four, seven, five, sixty, six to perceive any advertised product. You must become a member. Insured by NCUA. Welcome back my friend. welcome. Back I. I I don't WanNa deal Fritz and complain too much about politics whatever else like that But there is a national convention that is going on. If you've watched it have reactions either to cheer or chide please know that you're welcome here. I've got my opinion figured out in my mind turns out like I'm not omniscient or omnipotent or anything else like that and I didn't drive a Hurrah an Omni I drove a horizon would be funny to you Chrysler fans who are really old but let's move on. Just, please know that regardless of whatever my opinion is. Your opinion is absolutely welcome here where two to eleven eighty, one, eight, hundred, two, nine, five, eleven, eighty, David I'm glad you called Sir Welcome to Newsradio Cam eleven eighty. It's hard. Killing it's hard to live in buck run and get a hold of you. When they wrote the constitution. Radio where Goebel warming. I think they were aware of climate change. They might not have been aware of the concept manmade global warming. The Second Amendment, so's right to bear arms. Yeah. You're thinking. Like bear like no clothes on it. Very. Good Observation Sir. A long game to. A. A lot of things I could get to but well I'm I'm certainly glad you did this deal here with a Canary Marshall. The. Little three year old boy who was. killed. I am You're the story July. Eleventh police are called in the middle of the night to an apartment and there is lying on the floor a three year old boy who is in a system. which means he's not breathing. He doesn't have a pulse you and I call that dead. a Rochester. Police Rochester fire ambulance. Were able to sustain. the life that was in the boy. Until he got to the hospital where the people are Gone Asano Children's hospital specifically, the pediatric intensive care unit were able to sustain life for some two or three days. more about that in the second time now for traffic and weather on the tens on newsradio. WHAM eighty. newsradio whammy Levin Eighty weather brought to you by William. Muhtar hurt in a car call William. Muhtar beautiful today sunny and a high about eighty degrees. It's fifty nine at eight forty and you're listening to Newsradio wham eleven eighty. So. You know each year about Valentine's Day or whenever it is they have the radiothon for Golisano Children's Hospital, and you know I'm completely out of place there. Those are nice people doing good things. I'm some frigging idiot I come in, sit there in the lobby and then annoy you for a couple of days or so asking you to donate money and you know the you do you donate like crazy you do so much good through your radiothon contributions it is per capita the most generous Activity, in support of that hospital that this community has and I'm thankful to you. But as you get to sit there in the lobby and look at the people who are gone. Asano. Children's Hospital they're decent people. They're wonderful people you know you after year they come and they plopped down in front of you and you do your interview they listen to my dumb questions and try to make sense to them. But as they do so you you feel of their decency, there is a sweetness and a purity to them, and you honestly feel these people were called to what they do. You can imagine in your mind, the difficulty emotionally of what they must do. because. Not every story is a miracle. Not every ending is happy and of course, children's lives are lost, and of course, there is much suffering of body and soul that they deal with every day and yet they are people. Of Good Heart and of extraordinarily strong minds who have dedicated years and years and years of their lives to acquiring the skills be that the physically at the fiscal capabilities of a surgeon and The knowledge of of any sort of doctor nurse whatever like that that they have to have they've done all that so that they might be of use and service. when people are in need. And as we've learned more about this little boy. Kamari Marshall. being the death it seems by Mama's boyfriend. I cannot help but think of those two or three days that he was at the gala Sano Children's hospital pediatric intensive care. Unit. And I think those you know good doctors and nurses who plop down in the chair before me to answer the questions upstairs around his bed looking at his his body trying to keep the spirit from leaving trying to deliver him of the evil inflicted upon him. here's. Here's the injuries. It seems that probably over months he was physically misused again allegedly by Mama's boyfriend. Mother quite possibly was aware of this. It would have been difficult not to have noticed his injuries. But here's what ultimately put the young lad into an acute situation. His pelvis was broken and his spleen was ruptured. Spleen is very It's got a lot of blood in it. When you rupture your spleen it, it bleeds bad internally of course, causes excruciating pain. What sort of blows have to be landed on your body to rupture your spleen? The broken pelvis, your pelvis, you know it Kinda where the legs stick out of it. The Basir spine ends up being an extraordinarily important part of your body for reasons that are obvious to us and reasons that aren't a lot of stuff happens inside the bones of your pelvis. That's hugely important when they do like a a bone marrow transplant or whatever like that. It's often the pelvis where they go to harvest the bone marrow that hopefully will save someone else's life. there an awful lot of nerves there in law flood of pain and what sort of injury to a three year old boy. What sort of beating or stomping were torture breaks the pelvis of a three year old boy. Well. The allegations we discovered against the mother in this situation. Are that she. Comes home and. For I think the best description is some several hours. leaves the knowing that the boys and acute status. She leaves him to suffer and fade until again his pulse and respiration stop until he is you and I understand it dies there at the House and and here's just a thing too and I'm just some frigging idiot but where did the police find him? On the floor. On the floor. If you're a mother. Or a father. And your child is ill. Or in discomfort. Where do you? Where do you put your child? What do you do with that child? Isn't there some comforting, some printing SOM. When Julius. Bed. Do you leave. The child. On the floor. Like. The trash and the clutter in the squalor and the filth that's all around. You with, your child. Now. It's not what you do. It is what she did will be back in a moment with you on Newsradio wham eleven eighty newsradio eleven eighty weather brought to you by William Muhtar hurt in a car call William. Muhtar is GONNA perfect. Dear friend it's going to be sunny with a high approaching eighty degrees I couldn't think of anything I'd enjoy more. It's fifty, nine at eight, fifty three and you're listening to news radio HAM. Eleven eighty. Welcome back troopers welcome back Here's the deal I. For there, you go I I'm all in for a trump but but I honestly think why just tweeted this I bet that a majority of both Democrats and Republicans secretly wish that their party had a different presidential candidate. I bet that a majority of both Democrats and Republicans secretly wish that their party had a different presidential candidate I of course, will fight to the death in defense of trump and you will, of course, fight to the death in of Biden. But if we just sitting back saying personally as a Republican and trump's fine you know but I'm not really about personality I'm about principle and there are a variety of Republicans who could do from a policy standpoint what trump has done and from a personal presentation image, they probably could do a whole lot better than trump is done in over on your side. You're Democrat you know I'm sure that you know you like and all that other stuff but there are an awful lot of people in your party who've got a lot more on the ball at this stage of their game and who share his progressive views and who could probably campaign. Very nicely for you and maybe even governed better. Should you guys win but? We. Both are left in this kind of very odd sort of a situation. There Is There has been a huge push by the Rochester Police Department to take illegal guns off the street has crime has in recent months really spiked here and everywhere else the Rochester Police Department has leaned back into it, and again, as we pointed out yesterday I think it is a crime has jumped all across New York state but you know again I think we're like forty something percent increase in people getting shot, for example. But as big as that number is it is significantly lower than almost any other place in the state and I honestly believe that that is because of the aggressive, we're going to be real cops approach of the Rochester police bar thumbs up to them. We're going to stop we're GONNA get news from the Great Todd. Holiday. After that, we will invite your calls has some fun here on Newsradio wham eleven eighty. It's a great time to get a great deal on a new car when you get approved for an auto loan from. Our powered by truecar rates are as low as one point, three nine percents APR on new vehicles. Finance for a longer term to lower your monthly bill plus take up to sixty days to schedule your statements, join Penn Fed and together, we'll keep you moving forward. Anyone can apply visit Penn Fed dot org slash auto or call one, eight, hundred, two, four, seven, five, sixty, six to perceive any advertised product must come a member of pen fed insured by NCUA.

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The Importance of Continuing Medical Education

FOCUS on POCUS?

16:36 min | 3 months ago

The Importance of Continuing Medical Education

"Hello and welcome to the point of care ultrasound certification, Academy, podcast where we focus on pocus. Here, we will discuss all things related to point of care ultrasound. Practice the trends and its on health care. Our program will engage thought leaders who are defining global patient care with the stethoscope of the future. Hey welcome to the podcast focus on pocus. Live from Philadelphia where it's always sunny. So today we have Andrea funk of from a director of education from the Global Education Group and Andrea has been in the Medical Education Industry since about twenty eleven, and during her time with global, she's focused on program management and operations with an emphasis on customer service. She received her degree in business from the University of Denver and when she isn't managing programs, mentoring employees or completing outcomes and reconciliations. She likes to spend her time, painting, crocheting or at concerts. All Right Andrea. I'm well. How are you, Jim, so? You live out there in winter wonderland. Know, snowboarding cross country, skiing or ice skating anything like that. No, I think. I'm probably not the only native who just never really got into that as it can be quite costly, and then it's a headache to get up out in a headache to get down the mountain. Okay Yeah. I got into. The beach in not a fisherman or sailor. That's what you're saying. Okay Yeah. All right, so we'RE GONNA? Talk about a lot of cool things. The biggie is continuing medical education in CME's in Y, most people and allied health and healthcare field physicians nurses techs. Keep up their CME's so they can keep up their registry in there continuing education. So Why don't know let's start it off while you were talking a little bit earlier before we started about a little bit about the off label use that's allowed in means. Yeah, so the continue medical. Education Forum kind of one of the only areas where physicians or allied healthcare practitioners can speak about various treatment options off label. Any other type of education would require the FDA adherence to what it's been approved for on label. And with those off label discussions, it kind of opens up a forum. There might be better drugs to treat. A condition than what is currently best known for the like on the FDA timeline, or on FDA scope of what's approved. you know one of the biggest probably examples is that you know I think originally, anyways. Biography was intended for for heart failure, and they obviously quickly discovered. That was better for something else, and at some point in. As with many drugs, I'm sure there was an off label prescription of it. Until it was refocused as to the drug that it is now. And now I think its geriatric I saw I, saw in the trade somewhere so Yeah, no, it's! It's pretty crazy. Sometimes certain certain pharmacological agents are better at treating certain conditions than others, and it's more of a just an off label use that people kind of fell into or discovered, and so to be able to share that information might ultimately help the treatment of a patient in the long run, yeah. So speaking of treatments, what some of the updates the latest treatments or advances in a typical therapeutic area? I mean there's some all the time I think. One of the biggest things that were obviously is not necessarily treatment, but with regards to you. Know Dvd's and where those are coming up as of right now, There's only one particular CBD or drug that's been approved for the treatment of a very specific epileptic. just fascinating as far as how. Much more I guess. Biologically friendly is to the patient as opposed to some of the harsher athletic drugs that we've seen over the years that either aren't really prescribed anymore or have kind of gone under prescribed, but ultimately you know another point of cme as being able to. To keep up to date on some of the most latest and greatest and the treatment areas and the therapeutic areas on what's going on whether it's oncology biologic treatments that are out there. or just basic new devices for for various types of cardiovascular events. It's quite fascinating to see how quickly that stuff moves and Sammy is definitely a an amazing delivery agent to get that information across in real time to physicians and allied healthcare practitioners. How does that like you know the trajectory of that to you hear that? From the CDC and we got a lot of acronyms today CDC, and then it becomes. A new use under CME's. And then you go to maybe a conference or you go online, and that's how you keep current. How does that like trajectory happened? Comes into your office or Yeah I. Think what we typically do. kind of try to keep our finger on the pulse of what's going on. In the FDA pipeline, which is all public information with regard to clinical trials, and where they're at and who's got a drug, and what and what they're looking at and ultimately as things become approved on the FDA pipeline. You tend to start to see. Some of the commercial interest or pharmaceutical companies. Have Funding for education. At area, a lot of what global does is funded by educational grants from commercial interest like various pharmaceutical companies, so kind of following the pipeline, and then watching it trickle into the the pharmaceutical company, and then into their continue medical education grants department, which is then typically where we would submit a grant or strategically work with A non accredited Medical Education Communication Company. And try to solicit funds that we could ultimately have a program that can meet the needs of the the physician group, or just the healthcare practitioner group who needed to be updated. Kind of following the process, it's really it gets pretty complicated, but it's definitely fun to watch. This might be old news, but I remember one time I was involved with. A startup that was doing a micro bubble. And it was A. Plant synthetics I remember it was going through the process. I think he'd called like twelve million to run a drug through clinical trials all the way to phase four phase five. Something, if not more I mean it can. It just depends. It depends with hiccups and if to go back on some data, there's there's so many variables. So it could be a long time, and some people circumvent that by going to Europe or going somewhere where it's not so stringent. Yeah I think so or just changing the classification I don't know that it's necessarily a thing with Pharmaceutical agents, but I think you know some of the nutraceutical things where? You know you put out a CBD's Margaret example, CD's or not regulated on any term whatsoever. People just throw it out there on the shelf. You can get it at Walmart. WALGREENS whatever. there's been. One more time What's that acronym you talking about? Onorato, what are you talking about? derived from medical marijuana. Actually a different cannabinoid that does not have. See being these psychoactive component of marijuana. Your joints and stuff you see the little kiosks in the mall and yeah okay. Yeah For alternately CD's are typically to you know. He was first to Canada dial which typically does not have the THC and it was not thought to be a drug. It doesn't in theory well, not mean theory than as far as I understand. It doesn't get you high Anybody could take CBD's think. One of the big companies developed. CB's early like back in the earlier days for small child, who had a weird epileptic condition, and it was discovered that the DVD's were helping to calm her epileptic symptoms or stop the seizures more quickly than traditional methods. It gets really. Trying to convoluted, but back to the point I guess you know that kind of stuff is not FDA regulated. It's considered kind of like a a vitamin or a nutraceutical, so it's just. Is like the day does not approve of the statement. That kind of stuff right yeah it. Is it homeopathic like that, too? That's falls in that category. Exactly various things like certain types of essential oils and stuff where there's you know some people flair by it the data behind it is. Interpreted that best. Out there in Colorado, and we were doing a pocus festival. Sound the poincare at. A University of the rockies just actually and so we took a little ride, and we were in some small suburban town, and I was amazed that. I was thinking okay. There's probably just one cannabis store you know with the little neon sign of marijuana leaf. I drove down this road. There was probably five on each side of the road was. House like why how what is this? Can this possibly be good? I wonder. Marijuana blew up in Colorado for sure. When we approved it for recreational use, it was amazing. I can't even tell you what the zoning is because we're where I live in Denver like it's every fifteen feet. I swear there's a another marijuana store, and there's you know then they delineate the difference between medical versus recreational 'cause. In Colorado you have to be twenty one to consume recreationally, but for some reason you can get a medical marijuana card at the age of eighteen. It's like weird almost like I I look at it as equivalent being prescribed. You know vodka beer something so you can go to liquor store medical, but not otherwise. I mean I you know this is just personal and I don't WanNa. Get political, but you know i. get the medicinal part the recreational part you know I don't know if I WANNA fly on a plane or the guy was stoned, turning the KNOBS or the bolts on my engine. You know I just. It's hard to tell Abbreviated. You pretty much know but it's hard to tell when people are high. Anyway. So. Let's talk about some other stuff. Let's talk about patient, care and safety and maybe. You can throw in some shared decision making that you guys do yeah, so definitely something moving forward with continuing medical education that we've seen substantial growth in a direction towards shared decision making between the healthcare practitioner and their patient. CME has become a great forum for those kind of discussions. With regards to you know allowing an area for learners to to speak to each other on perhaps various methodologies, they use to communicate news to patients or communicate options for patients It's quite fascinating grilling. You know quite vaccine against watching this industry kind of develop more towards the. It's not just the physician who knows all or the the nurse who knows all now. They're letting the patient in on some of that information realizing that because of. An increase in Google and ask and you know web MD that patients do have more knowledge than originally thought to have so to bring them into discussions surrounding their healthcare treatments. I feel has definitely been something for beneficial to both parties, it allows for an open discussion area and I'm watching the. The type of CME programs that we've had you know like small round tables or physicians get to discuss how they would deliver certain news to a patient or how they would explain the treatment options to a patient and kind of. Watching them, you know, develop that middle ground. Those communication skills have been something that we've definitely done with regards to continue medical education. recently and I think is going to continue to grow moving forward. I personally actually saw something for what it's worth In two thousand fourteen, my mom was having some issues with her vision went to her optometrist her up Thomas immediately sent her downstairs to the Malla Gist. Then called me as her emergency contact Wow, discussion with me so that we need to go to an ER. He was going to call the ER to speak to. An internal affair. And ultimately we went from the. To the ER is. And what it came down to is. My mom had cancer and it was originally caught by the ophthalmologist because of some. Hemmer Jane. Haretna Retina which was unconfirmed by the ophthalmologist. The ophthalmologist had his suspicions called internist. Who took us you know? Triage us in the Er and then ultimately sent us up to the Oncology Department to be on college who further confirmed the suspicions that she had chronic myeloid leukemia. So watching not that intercommunication between a multitude multitude, a various disciplinary was pretty crazy. Let alone the shared decision making of like. Hey, this is what we think. This is what we think is best and ultimately I think. As a lot of cancer patients are fairly in shock. So it was really more communicating with me and my sister had time Oregon. She's still my sister. Right my sister to determine what the best treatment option would be like. Do we wait? Do we go here? We go there. It was it was interesting, but I saw real world. Interplanetary Interdisciplinary Teamwork happen. It's always great when it's a healthcare team working like dad and you kind of just. On that I was thinking about. Healthcare professionals the things they face day to day, and you know some of these real world challenges. Exactly I think you know some of the the speaking of you know the hospital and the internist there some of the hospitals or people who are expected to know a lot about everything so the continuing education has always been. Identified area of need for that particular subset of people whether they're in an er, treating somebody with COPD or somebody with cancer, or who knows like a ruptured spleen. There's all kinds of things that they have to know some information about as opposed to. You know you're like an ophthalmologist who very clearly wanted to specialize in something or on college is very specifically specializes in maybe hematological cancers. That kind of stuff. You know with with the increase in CME and. The you know definitely the popularity of it? I think it definitely helps a lot of those. specialists stay on top of what's the latest and greatest in something, even if it's not their specialty area, even if it's something, they just Kinda WanNa know about That's definitely an avenue for them to to garner some knowledge further their own practice. Well Listen Andrea. Thanks for being on today's podcast. You guys are doing some amazing things. I've never seen a peek behind the curtain with the whole cme thing. That's a very enlightening. Thank you for all you do to increase patient safety and keeping everybody abreast on the latest and greatest. Having the everybody out there listening, don't forget for more polka style topics follow us on facebook at polk assert, academy and Twitter pocus Academy. Thanks for listening, be sure to join us at twitter at pocus. Academy and FACEBOOK AT POCA Certain Academy. 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The David Family

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The David Family

"Rachel David Look down to the street below as she sat upon the railing of her eleventh story. Sweet. Angry onlookers were chanting the words jump bits. Jump. This episode contains violence against children listener discretion is advised. Charles. Bruce Longo was born in Yonkers New York on November night nineteen, thirty eight. To a wealthy prominent doctor. His mother was Episcopalian and his father was Italian. He also had a younger brother named Dean who went on to become a police chief in Florida. Bruce was described as striking in handsome as a young man. Not Very Athletic but fun. Loving inactive. This description came from a neighbor. His mother however. described him as self centered as he thought, he was better than others because his dad was a wealthy doctor. Bruce went to Gordon High School, and upon graduating and nineteen, fifty five. He enlisted in the Marine Corps. While in the service, he became friends with members of the LDS Church and began attending services with them. In nineteen, fifty eight, he returned to yonkers where he was baptized as a member of the church. He served in the LDS run version of the boy scouts, and it is said that he was a strong influence on the young people. In nineteen sixty bruce was called to serve a two year mission to Uruguay. Bruce, funded this mission himself. It was while on his mission that the first inklings of mental instability began to surface. It is not uncommon for symptoms to show and someone that already has a propensity for mental illness. While they are serving a mission he was hearing voices and told Church officials that he planned on becoming an apostle. Despite this onset of mental illness, he was able to memorize the book of Mormon. That's the LDS church companion scripture to the Bible. And he was described as a zealot. After serving eleven months of his two year mission, he was sent home. He had contracted hepatitis and was continuing to hear voices. This is typically not done unless it is deemed absolutely critical for the health of the missionary. Bruce was briefly hospitalized for psychiatric evaluation and treatment for his hepatitis. But he continued to have visions. An example of what a zealot Bruce Truly was. It has been said that he was responsible for baptizing his doctor and a nurse that cared for him in the hospital. Shortly after he was released, he headed to. Brigham Young University. A credible school owned by the LDS Church. And Young Les Students Go there hoping to find their eternal companion. That's Analia term for husband or wife. Bruce majored in Spanish and minored in political science. He met market Brigada Ericsson a fellow student at Byu from Sweden. Marquis was born on November fourth nineteen, thirty nine in Sweden, and was converted to the Church at the age of eighteen before attending Byu. She was described as soft spoken an easily influenced. Bruce proclaimed markets roommate that he had a revelation that the two were supposed to get married. Marking is said to have been flattered by Bruce's proposal. He was good looking and charming man. She dropped out of school and the two were married in December of nineteen sixty one. By the time Bruce graduated in nineteen, sixty five. The couple had two children and the family moved to. Salt Lake City. Around Nineteen sixty-nine. Bruce claimed to have had a revelation saying that he was going to be the next Prophet of the Church. In nineteen seventy, the Standing Prophet of the LDS Church David McKay passed away. Bruce was sure he was going to be named as his replacement and was severely depressed when that role was handed to Joseph Fielding Smith. Bruce had been in contact with church officials during this time professing to be God, the Holy Ghost or the Messiah, and demanding all ties from the members be paid to him. Bruce was excommunicated from the church for apostasy as was Margate. Shortly after this, he grew out his hair and let his beard get long and legally changed his name to Emmanuel David and markets name to Rachel. Emanuel was the clear patriarch of the family and Rachel. Took on her role as the subservient wife. Emmanuelle David's formed a cult of about thirteen followers. Many of whom were family members with some being friends almost all had been excommunicated from the Church and took on the surname of David. Emmanuel continued to claim he was the Messiah and taught his followers to refer to him as such. At various times, he referred to himself as the Holy Ghost, God and Jesus, all wrapped up into one. He seemed truly believed this about himself and salted his family and followers. Emmanuel acquired a heavy finally crafted long sword that he carried with him at all times claiming it was his holy weapon. It was inscribed with the Words Holiness to the Lord on one side and David on the other next to a star of David. Emanuel moved his family along with this call to a small town called man tie named after city in the book of Mormon. Like most false prophets Emmanuel was cares matic and was able to convince some prominent people in Manai to donate to is called. During their stay in man tied the David's opened at knife crafting business that was run by the cult members. Which is one way they supported themselves. The members also became adept at scamming people into. Money for supposed- family emergencies. These scams caught the attention of the FBI and David and his followers were under investigation for wire fraud. In nineteen seventy one the David family and his devout group of followers move out. And took residence inn hotels across different states mostly in the West leaving unpaid bills in their wake. They made their way back to Salt Lake City in nineteen seventy seven and moved to the International. Dunes Hotel in downtown salt. Lake. City. By this time. The David's had seven children who had all been given. Biblical names. Rachel. Worn in nineteen, sixty two. Elizabeth nineteen sixty three. Joshua nineteen sixty eight. Deborah. Nineteen sixty-nine. Joseph Nineteen seventy. David Nineteen seventy-one. Rebecca Nineteen seventy-two. Their given names were Marcy Eva Frank Anthony Deborah Rebecca, and Charles Bruce. Day to carry the surname of David. The David Children were home schooled by Rachel, the mother and had never been to a public school. Lessons taught were reading art math and Bible. Study. They were described by those who are able to see them as clean, neat, literate, and well behaved. Their skin was milk white no doubt from being kept in the suite most of the time. The boys were their hair in a braid like their father. The girls hair was long and parted in the middle. Pulled away from their face by barrettes. They were never permitted to use the hotel swimming pool. Water is considered a place where the devil has a strong influence. There is speculation that this may be why. The David's kept the children sheltered from the outside world and would only allow them to speak to others with Emanuel's permission whenever the maids came into clean their sweet. The children were ushered into another room until the cleaning was complete. This hotel suite, they lived in cost ninety dollars a day, and it was paid daily with cash. Bye Emmanuelle with a crisp one, hundred dollars bill. They would order food in from expensive restaurants in the area as Emmanuel had a big appetite and was a large man weighing around three hundred pounds and standing at six foot four. It was figured that the David's needed about three hundred dollars a day to maintain their lifestyle. That's equivalent to about twelve hundred dollars in today's money. Emmanuel did not work and hadn't since nineteen, sixty five except for an odd job here and their. Families living expenses were being funded by its members. Some selling their homes and belongings and handing the proceeds over to the David's. Even perspective members would pay for the privilege of belonging to this called. With one such women giving the David's twenty, five, thousand dollars. Another devoted follower who had been a member of the famed Tabernacle Choir at one time. Conned some of those members and friends out of money to hand over to the David family. This cult member was convicted of wire fraud and spent five years in prison. He used the story of paralyzed nine year old girl in need of money for medical expenses as the con-. He pleaded guilty to the charges but in later years he denied being involved in any illegal activities. Needless to say there was all manner of fraud and scams going on in those years that never fully came to light. This all speaks to the effectiveness of Emmanuel's charm. was especially evident in the influence in hold he had on his wife Rachel. She was described as unusually subservient to Emmanuel. Probably due to the fact that she actually believed he was a god where at the very least a prophet. Emmanuel sister-in-law stated that Rachel. Husband around like a puppy dog Emmanuel David had friends outside of the call that helped him as well by loaning him money and use of their vehicles. One such friend was a man of means was a missionary companion of manuals while in. Uruguay. This man is still living. So I won't use his name as he has struggled throughout the years forgiving Emmanuel cash and loans, and just generally buying into Emmanuel stories. This friend was under the impression that Emanuel had access to money due to his extravagant lifestyle. Emmanuel really pulled one over on this guy and took advantage of his kindness. On July thirty, first nineteen, seventy, eight Emmanuel. Entered his friends place of employment panicked and out of breath stating that he needed to borrow his truck. The friend handed the keys to Emmanuel offie drove. Destination unknown to anyone but himself. Pine Crest Canyon is located just east of Salt Lake City. It's filled with houses now, but in the seventies, it was used for outdoor recreation. On August I, a hiker discovered the body of Emmanuel David. In the driver's seat of the truck. He had rigged a new garden hose from the exhaust pipe to the inside of the truck he had borrowed and use clot to seal off any potential leaks. Emmanuel David had committed suicide. All afternoon and has a report Sandy Patrick Bruce David Longo who died several days ago did and did indeed live high his disciples seemed to be the reason was able to do this. For example, a owner of the Fleur de Lis restaurant and expensive French cuisine outfit in town says Longo ordered food to be catered regularly to the international hotel. Usually I was told the bill was one hundred and ten dollars sometimes one, hundred, forty dollars for dinner plus at twenty per cent tip when Marguerite Gales of the Fluid Elise delivered she said the children were already seated at the hotel room table. David Longo bought his clothes at dallies big and tall store size fourteen shoes fifty inch waist size fifty-six jackets, those costs three, hundred dollars each in the last six weeks alone. The cult leader spent three thousand dollars on clothes according to Jack Sanders of dallies. Well people I talked to today who knew Emmanuel Bruce David Longo could recall no time when Longo has ever actually worked the money he lived on May have come partially from the state of a deceased father who was a prominent Yonkers New York physician some money came from former disciple by the name of Washburn Chipman said to have had an inheritance and more recently Longo apparently got money from disciples engaged in fraud. By, interstate telegram, the local FBI and US Attorney's office recently in May this year got disciples sterling James Peacock sent to the federal penitentiary. Now evidence we have gathered into cage that peacock known as Moses gave money to his Prophet Longo Peacock got the money by telling people falsely that he had a daughter in Salt Lake hospital who needed money. Another disciple of Longos is under investigation right now for similar type of fraud. Well together, these disciples took thirty eight, thousand dollars from suckers in the last eight months alone. The FBI says, Bruce David Longo, himself has been under investigation and wasn't under investigation at the time of his death assistant attorney Steven. Snark told me today they never could actually prove that long ago made his disciples commit the fraud the FBI was looking for longer about the time he committed suicide on Monday it seems that long goes spiritual world. His religion was coming to an end very fast for very material reasons and ostentatious lifestyle apparently supported by common theft. Officers arrived at the International Dunes Hotel the next day to inform Rachel of her husband's death. The officers stated that she didn't seem shot just agitated am worried. She told the officers that her husband had been depressed and had a better place to go. She also added that she had no way of paying for his funeral. Rachel who is wholly dependent financially on her husband. Emmanuel. Must. Seville desperate and add a loss as to what to do next. It is said that she made a call to her family who lived in Denmark at the time. She spoke to the hotel manager that night and asked if he would work with her until she got her finances worked out. She even spoke to a delicatessen manager that night about enrolling her kids in school. Although, we will never know what transpired when the family ride back at their suite at eleven pm on that night. We do know what happened at approximately seven fifteen on seventh nineteen, seventy eight. Jim Bradley the Hotel Manager who had just spoken with the new widow the previous evening. Was Standing at the front desk when his wife who also helped manage the hotel approached him and said quote Jim, they're jumping from the balcony. Unquote. Jim Exited the hotel and went to the east side of the building where a crowd of onlookers was gathering. Witnesses that saw the whole event state that who we now know as Rachel walked her kids to the railing of room eleven five. There she pushed Joseph Eight David Seven and Rebecca six up and over the railing. At least two of these younger children clung to Rachel before going over. After that the older children Rachel Fifteen. Elizabeth Fourteen Joshua Thirteen and Deborah nine. Stood on folding chairs that were stacked next to the railing. And jumped without provocation from their mother. All the wildest was happening. The crowd was yelling at Rachel to stop. But it was to no avail. After the children had gone over. Rachel stepped up and sat on the railing for around thirty seconds. The crowd was angry at what they just witnessed began chanting jump bitch jump. And that is exactly what she did. Looked at him up. Drop the mover. And the last person pause for a while and then went. Just. Went over the edge I. Get yelling old God stops them stop, and then we could we could see some observers up on the platform. They're all were members of the Emmanuel David family the Father Emmanuel committed suicide by fixing the Asian Monday his body was found yesterday in a pickup parked up a canyon when deputies last night told his wife Rachel about the suicide she said it didn't surprise her that. Her husband had said he was ready for the next World Emmanuel considered himself the true profit. The Messiah God is family and a few close friends believed him this morning, the mother and the three children who voluntarily jumped apparently decided to join him in the next world. Six, the David family members landed on a canopy roof of the hotel coffee shop nine stories down then onto the sidewalk. Three fail the entire eleven stories onto the sidewalk. One of the boys ended up in the gutter. Witnesses say that the youngest daughter Rebecca desperately grabbed onto the railing and Rachel pride her fingers loose. This was confirmed when an autopsy was performed on her by the bruising on the tips of her fingers. And broken fingernails. They were all taken to area hospitals where they were all pronounced dead upon arrival or shortly thereafter. Except one? Rachel the eldest child of Rachel and Emmanuel David. She just literally mangled both of her legs. All of bones in both legs were broken. She fell ascribe at something and she's twitter pelvis. and. literally tore right up into the Donald Kennedy she sustained some donald injuries including ruptured spleen. She also has a slight bruise on the long and she also has a veteran shoulder that's an open fracture. At first it was thought that it was Elizabeth was still alive. It was later confirmed that it was Rachel. Rachel. Was admitted to the shock and trauma unit of the LDS. Hospital. She. was in a coma and doctors weren't sure if she was going to survive. She immediately went into surgery where she was administered twenty one units of blood. About a week into her hospital stay. She was listed in stable condition. Although she was still unconscious. After two weeks, she was still on a comma however, the doctors felt that she was gaining consciousness. After multiple surgeries to repair the damage from the fall to her broken body. She regained consciousness. Rachel was kept protected from the public. So little is known about what happened to her after being released from the hospital. It is known that she lived in a foster home for a time and has been in different care facilities in the Salt Lake Valley throughout the years. She lived with her uncle Jacob David who became her legal guardian and other cult members in Colorado, until recently. While staying with him, she was not able to remember what happened that day. At one point she stated to her uncle quote. I want to shove it all out I. Want my family back. Unquote. She can't walk. She can raise her body with the use of a walker. She would pass the time by doing paint by number are. She loved coffee and listening to Neil Diamond. She believes her father will return someday as God because. He never lied to her unquote. According to inside edition whom she didn't interview with in Nineteen ninety-three. She has continued to try to follow the suicide order has attempted to kill herself several times. She is now in a long term care facility in Idaho and is still in a wheelchair. She is fifty six years old. epilogue. Autopsies on the victims revealed they all sustained fractures of the legs, ankles or pelvis indicating that they went down seat I. Spectators claim that none of the victims made a sound as they were falling. The medical examiner stated that it was common for people who jumped willingly from heights to make no sound at all. The police found a five dollar bill any manuals wallet? And sixty five dollars cash in Rachel's purse. There were no suicide notes. None. Other children were wearing shoes and they were found neatly placed in plastic bags. In a closet in the sweet. After the deaths Emmanuel Smother Luzon. And Brother Dean arrived in Utah an informed the authorities they weren't interested in taking any the belongings of the David family and that they didn't have the money to provide funeral services. When officials went through the hotel to gather the family's belongings. There were several drawings. The kids had done in honor of their father. One note that was written by two of the children read quote. Dear Daddy and Mama. We. Hope the temple goes. We hope we get the watch soon. We hope we get to go to hotel. You chose sooner than soon as. We Hope California is destroyed. Love Joseph and David Unquote. It was clear that the children revered their mother and father. And took their teachings to heart. The made from the hotel. David Stebbins struggled with regrets. For not reporting the parents to social. Services It is speculated that the reason Emmanuel committed suicide was loss of disciples which resulted in less cash. The pending investigations. An UNFULFILLED PROPHECIES One failed prophecy was California would fall into the ocean. Another one is at salt. Lake? City. would be consumed by fire. The state paid for the burial of the eight family members at a cost of three, thousand, four, hundred, and seventy, two dollars. Their caskets were gray and there was a spray of flowers placed on each one. Pink for the girls and yellow for the boys. Parents Caskets. were, bare. Emmanuel mother lose an Longo and her brother Dean Longo. Rachel's brother Lennart. Eriksson Eighteen members of the press and about one hundred onlookers attended the small graveside service that was held. The Lord's prayer was recited and Jim. Larkin of Larkin Funeral home gave the eulogy. He asked for a moment of silence from the crowd since he didn't know what the David's beliefs were. He said quote. The way they lived was no more mystery than the way they died unquote. They were all buried in one unmarked grave until recently when a headstone was purchased for the family. As recently as ten years ago. Members of this called still remained and believed that Emmanuel would return to Earth as God. 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