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"Hello welcome to unofficial partner. This is Richard Gillis. I'm peering this week into that sort of weird world of international PR with Particular reference to the big major event bidding campaigns over the years. And we're looking at how the Olympics is faring in that world and now and in the future and there's very few people but qualified to talk about this stuff and John Tips. We went to John's London offices at John tibbs associates to talk to the man himself about a career in international sports. Pr which is seen. John and his team working for a very broad group of clients from Beijing in Qatar Paris. Through to the so cheesy twenty fourteen winter bid and majesty united more laterally. Tips is careers often seen through the lens of his battles with the late. Mike Lee most famously on your opposite sides of the race for the two thousand twelve Olympics which ultimately of course went to London rather than Paris who John's clients. At that time we talk about a lot of things in this podcast and for regular listens. It's probably worth going back and checking out a previous unofficial partners pod with Charlie sale the Daily Mail columnist who took great delight in referencing tips and Mike Lee Regularly in his columns people at Charlie's sale. They absolutely love the fact that there were these two Charleena say to PR. Titans were a war with each other as you're here. John is very open about his journey. Very candid about Helen. Knowlton days about the relationships within the Olympic world The only thing he wouldn't or couldn't talk about was his current relationship mentioned united and we respected that so with that caveat here is John Tips. Don't tips thanks. Where in the west end hub just off Regent Street and meets Mayfair. I say this you're looking very e- even running of lost fifteen kilos since March running and a bit of bit of Diet Yeah. I'm not that critical age where I've decided that I can keep living in life in the Fast Lane and Nazi seventy five or I can moderate a little bit and hopefully see ninety-five Thurgood. Good luck with that. Is marked is very notable. Thank for their normally coming people's personal appearance and you're looking very well as an ageless. That's all that's all skin I. There's so much talk about. I'm really I want to get going because there's loads of things. I wanted to London. Twenty-two talk about Mike Lille and talk about all sorts of things around bidding. But before we get to all of that Palaver. That people know you about you or teacher. I was really wondering what sorts because you're intimidating person so I imagine they're in the classroom. You would be quite a scary end of the teaching spectrum. Well it was actually fairly scary for me to go into teaching our. Yes I when I was six form at school. I didn't really know what to do. So they always say if you don't know what to do go into teaching if you don't know what to teach teach geography and if you can't show goofy do geography and PA. That's exactly what I did. I told Josephine. Mp and I went from some Luke's physical education college part of Exeter University as it was then into the nearest school. It was a boys' independent school down the road when I was age. Twenty one and within three weeks teaching oxbridge geography And given that I'd only got a C. Myself at a level job Raphia. I was slightly scared and nervous of that. Potatoes were because there were six goals allowed in the school that they were eighteen. Neural goals in the Oxford geography class. And I was a twenty one year old. Young teacher went very red very easily very embarrassed. They work this out and it was perhaps the most intimidating thing. I've ever had of a sort of you know Rome Com. Yes you know. There was no no wrong. Komo nothing dark but let me just tell you how intimidating it was so I developed this rather more severe persona sort if you like as a as a reaction to those early days and I don't think I was too severe. I was a bit eccentric. Maybe if you are some of my former pupils but I was definitely not too severe on the rugby pitch. I think I might have been the Nathan Homer. Formerly on this podcast. We should say John John Toby by the way thank you. Yeah sorry the thing is looking at it. We've had who we dame heather bats so that Beats Jones does does way way above. Yeah and then we've had somewhere. Oh picky goes lean same and we big moment for each coming in the unofficial podcast Nathan. Home I don't know why. Went from main basin homer to gongs is not going to go but he was a teacher. I remember. I'm inside the Hammarberg. He was a bit of a Boston. Two KS type and now I'm framing you in the same same sort of out there shouting smacking. I put the ball on the back of legs. There was no smacking all physical punishment of any sorts as you can imagine but Yeah I was a rugby coach. I did all my Are A few coaching courses. I also that time was playing rugby and qualified as a referee And so you know. Rugby was my main sport coaching hockey. Men's hockey I didn't even know really existed until I went to university and ended up coaching playing hockey as well. Because it was very much a hockey school in the eastern so we need to get from a school in the West country too will hill known but via CSS. What was the what was it? How did you get out of education and Inter Murky World of Sports Agency? It's a long story but I looked after the school rock band and They were called Alibi and they got through to the final of TSB Rox School On National TV. I think the breakfast Mike might read breakfast. Tv show to symphonic. Yeah that's the final and the final of Tsp. School was live on Saturday morning and my band got through to the final and the drama was meant to be on a history field trip at the time to America. Not that I knew that no disrespect but the Americans have much history to merit trip. But he he was meant to be there so I had to Go to the headmaster and say don't let him go. We need him live TV great for the school and so on and the headmaster while you're going to have to pay for yourself to rejoin the history field trip if you want it so I committed to doing that and went to espn the sponsorship company people there and said. Can you help me out? They said it's a great story. We'd love to help out your drama. We'll pay for him to rejoin his history trip and they did a whole bunch of bit of local. Pr On the back of. And I thought that is a really cool worlds that sponsorship the whole side of things so we came second in the final on national TV but it kind of made me realize I wanna get out of teaching and into the sponsorship worlds and so I started. Applying to sponsorship agencies. Got offered a job too at the same time. A one was by Alan Pascoe's company A. P. as they were then and the other one was CSS and they offered it to start sooner so Nine thousand nine hundred eighty nine joined. Css and Stellar stellar then. Boomtown majority that sheds but when I first joined they were very much a motor sport and at the forefront of pioneering football sponsorship. So they did the Buckley's Sponsored the football league they did all the crown paints stuff in the G. locks the early sponsorship stuff that went on in in football I want ships and also they handled all of the Williams Formula One sponsorship at the time when Williams were the number one team nine hundred insult Nigel. Mansell bats all of that yes. Crown Paints Liverpool. Yes is yeah and various others yet but it was a whole range of different Smolder sponsorships and but also they piloted the big first leak sponsorships as well one of my my great successes was being involved in ends delays sponsorship of the Football League. Yes insurance ends. Ain't students insurance mainly famous for. Yeah that's good memory. Thank you and Hilton. Yes he moves so that was a big money. Transfer was it well. Selling sponsorship was a bit like double-glazing selling or insurance selling you'd go changed by that no to be honest because I've not been involved with it well but I got bored of going in and people say no. It's not for us so then worked out quite quickly. Actually if you asked a simple question what what are you looking to do? And who I who? All your target audience. Simple questions that you would actually walk counted. Every rejection with a brief so I started collecting these briefs and started matching up other people's properties or even creating our own properties too much breath so my career move forward at that point very quickly and came to the notice of Hillen Alton through some Shed clowns and they asked me to come in and in the mid nineties and set up a dedicated sports division to kind of bring together all the different sports properties they had such as Addidas such as bt global challenge such as Athens Olympic bauge which were all housed in different consumer divisions departments or even some corporate ones. So they said we got enough revenue. Now she put it all together and have a dedicated sports too. You see look. Who's in that room in the north of that point? Oh my goodness knows. The WHO's who of the current sports industry and jars more than I did indeed inherit giles. Giles was a I think. Originally an intern there Although he would probably deny that but he was certainly a junior accounts executive but very ambitious and and certainly trying to make his mark early on and I distinctly remember him going off to Atlanta for the Olympic Games there on behalf of the on behalf of dust and doing a doing a typical Morgan job claiming credit for for all the great successes whilst the rest of the team were. Were back sweating away. No Jolson Nice. It wasn't quite Steve. Martin was that right deep. Steve was running. The whole body does account. Then EP think in those days I need us was we were billing. Probably A MILLION. A year in the united us in good years just belong clients in a utterly extraordinary. I mean my agency is only modestly bigger than that now. It's extraordinary to think most how you didn't so that was sort of what we just. P R I D. That's Predator would have been at that time we just before I arrived so I came in on the back of the huge success of the launch evaldas pregnant and that was an amazing calling card for the sports division for us to be able to go and present those credentials to insult twelve year. Mostly at that point. He was scary for me because obviously he was a bit of a bit of a guru that in the if you like in the consumer PR sports world. And I'd come in from sponsorship agencies so notice respect to Stephen his team I detected a degree of surprise and modest animosity towards me that I'd come in from outside the PR industry to take over sports division. When I think he felt and others felt perhaps he should have been running that division. Just saying how long did did he hanging around him? That was then went to the to catch him. He then he then left. I think he went in house to Ati for a while and then moved onto the back into the agency weld and the rest of his stellar career. Is there for all to see? And it's brilliant to say it. Because he he. He's a charismatic. Bright Creative Guy who I think. He's worked incredibly hard for the success. He's got your car lovely gesture. So let's let's just just jump get to the next bit which on linked in which is obviously my main source of research. It goes from your noten into J. J. T. I remember but there is. That feels like it sort of masking a few moves that true yeah. I think it's deliberate. But it's just that I've never really got my My head run linked him promptly but yes from Hidden Alton. I had rather strange period at bell. Pottinger where Timbo Lord Bell that was Wanted someone to come in and take over a sports marketing company that he had bought Michael Humphreys and partners so I was brought in to to work as managing director and try and turn it around into a really big profitable sports marketing sports. Pr Agency which was harder than much harder than anyone Realize it was going to be an an. I didn't enjoy. It was a tough time. The good thing about it was a hit a Knowlton. I work on. The Is See Crisis Management Salt Lake City. I also worked on the Athens Olympic bid and at Bell Pottinger through Lord Bells Connection to Rupert Murdoch We were asked by the Chinese government to help them out with the Beijing. Two Thousand Eight Olympic bid so actually my Olympic credentials began to grow further and having worked onto successful bids and crisis management. I I left Bell Pottenger. Pretty much. You know enamored with what the Olympic well could bring in. That's partly how we got into where we all now. So the bidding only interested in bidding thing is that it's all world to itself but what's it like being in those rooms with with because let should we. Should we use the London two thousand twelve campaign as Liang's to get into this a lot? People were no lost. You're on the Paris side and you had mightly in Vero on the on the London side and that was so that framed of it. That was a bit of Charlie. Sale was very fond of that sort of you know he was very keenum writing those sorts of stories. They were yeah. I mean to be fair as a Brit obviously I left bell passenger freelance in around two thousand two and at that time two thousand to two thousand and three the London. Twenty twelve paid was really coming together. Craig Redial SA- Craig. Reedie was really getting things going with a number of other key stakeholders government and son Richard Cable and and so it was definitely moving towards a formal bid and I was really keen to pick them up as a client. I remember once having lunch with Craig. Reedie Debbie Jevans and a Daily Telegraph Olympic correspondent. Iain Macleod the Stingier Club Craig's Club. And he he said I want u-3 working on London bit while one of them made. It was Debbie and the other two. Didn't I when Barbara Cassani was appointed? I went to her and Craig introduce me to her and she told me. I'd have to wait at least a year until the communications director have been appointed in to pitch to him because he wasn't her choice to to hire me as as a consultant. So I am. I didn't wait I waited I would've been having to me. I would have had to gone to might leave for application to be a consultant. I didn't know Mike very well at that time anyway. He was UEFA but I just couldn't wait. I needed that. Olympic bidding work and pirates. Were only too happy to take A Brit onto to help them and what was the what was it like. Yeah Gay just going back to that that. What's the job really when you when you boil it down the job of a bid committee or of people like me people are well? We're I and now. Jt We're a bit of a hybrid because we offer clients communications consultancy so traditional public relations as sort of whatever it's B. Two B. B. Business to consumer but we also offer international relations. And we're probably the first agency that has set up with a dedicated international relations practice. That is the advice and guidance to help cons influence people want to one all through some people. Call it through lobbying in effect. We like the Public Affairs of Sports. So we have this sort of public relations adamant and a public offense element to to what we do. And we try and create an integrated strategy to influence stakeholders in the Olympic worlds to move in the direction our clients want and if it's a bid city that's moving them towards a vote to moving them towards voting for one city ahead of another all one person campaigning for office over another person campaigning. For an office. So there's plenty of work in the world because it is immensely political and what other sorts of incentives levers that you realistically can pull because we got those. Two things populations in public affairs. One feels like building fame. Your inner the media is constituency the public affairs. It's the other way as your your one to one. It's one to one conversations knowing how to handle those conversations who to have those conversations with how to how to influence them in the right way. The public relations side is what we call the mood music. If the move music and a great restaurant is is good. You don't really notice. It just adds to the positive ambulance but you sure do not if there isn't any or if it's poor Obama and so getting public relations right will never win you votes but it will help in the general mood music of of the more direct campaigning. What was the music than running into the Singapore run into that London Paris decision? Well the Paris had not run a communications campaign today. Despite our best advice that they had a way of doing things. There was a lot of self belief that they were in good shape. They had just come off the back of an Olympic day a month before going to Singapore a month or so before going to Singapore where they close the whole And gave us sort of a common try out? Every Olympic sport opportunity for the Public. They had up to a million people on day and it went all the way from the art. The trump to plastic concord. I'm beyond and was an extraordinary site front page of the Financial Times. Have US run that event. I think it was an extraordinary sites. And it was on BBC World. It was CNN front page of Financial Times. It really was a a great way to go into Singapore. Think they were confident. I think they were super confident that they were in good shape but reality was they hadn't done the work on the public aside they they did not put in the miles in the Hawk graph to win the votes That would necessary and London absolutely nailed it on the those going the extra mile to win those votes and the whole way they handled that. Singapore campaign probably resulted in a swing of up to six seven members which was more than enough for them to win off of a what size constituency in all one hundred fifteen in those things around that so it was. It was an way you mean you told with Mike. Lee does not starting not starting there now that that happened much earlier locking horns might so when might became the COMMS director of London and I was sort of quietly behind the scenes Working out of the pirates office people like Charlie Sale. They absolutely love the fact that there were these two Charleena say to titans were at war with each other now. He loved it and Listen to this. I should do impressions so Charlie loved the fight that they were to Brits and for him that became much more fascinating story and other is always followed a bit of Charlie's lead on that but the the the advantage for me was new journalists So People Adrian Warner were coming through and Mountain Ziegler and People like Erskine McCullough. They you know the old. Afp Olympic journalists. The you know these people have had known for a long time so it wasn't as if you know Mike had an easy ride and he knew I was able to brief them comfortably in reasonably easily overbearing. And so it becomes a bit a bit of a battle over the winning hearts and minds of British media sort of shaped certainly on the media side at that point the perception of What the beating world is. I never quite sure how is always painted. Lucky quiet rooms and we made people sort of being arm wrestled all being charmed. What was it like what what? How do you go about trying to change? Someone's mind about well. I think to be fair. It is very different now compared to say the Beijing biddle. The Athens bathing. Things have moved on But it is still the autism persuasive communications whether it's influencing in through what they read and hear about in the media right away to how you will convince them that a bid is a lot more advantageous for them than another bit and that Con- just happen in one conversation over a period of time so relationships is everything you need to build relationships with the voting member and that needs to be done not through third party so we never got involved in lobbying on behalf of our clients. We would advise Auckland how they would work with an influence the voting members and then finding the right time the right place to begin your you'll you'll conversations and then carry on those conversations tracking what you said to them before writing and making sure you understand everything that they told you you know so that you can address it next time you meet them bit by bit Developing that relationship to a point where they can see the competitive advantage of your bid over another bit so again from the outside. There's there's that sort of hell can we trust the process? How transparent is it? The problem I can see if I was one of these icy members be this would be happy. Days are being sort of twenty five stone of eating drinking every every day being schmoozed. And you're at the center of that universe. How do you stop it? Not being corrupt well. I think the Salt Lake City scandal. Which where she worked on the Crisis Management Michael Pain with my clients at the at the time that did change things for the better that put in place so late nineties going into the you know the first bidding process for Winter Games I think the young Chang versus Salzburg Winter Games at that time there were new rules. Put IN PLACE. That actually prevented a loss of the excesses. And the if you like the miss the abusive of the bidding process that went on and things dramatically improved after the. Icp sort of you know. Put themselves through that process and it's got better ever since to the point now where there is hardly a bidding process Instead there is hardly you know there is hardly a The new rules that we currently see could actually see a decision being taken without divides It's it's gone all mice the other extreme now so I think over the last twenty years I've noticed a big improvement in governance and the way in which is e bidding is conducted but obviously the icy needs to be fully aware that those perceptions did exist and and. I think they are on the they constantly. Try and address it but there are. I agree with you. There is still the perception out that that Election Process in sports is not just in ICU. But in across all big sports bodies is not as transparent and clean is. Perhaps it is what I mean again. The WE'VE GOT personnel. A together is. Is there an industry? I mean I was just wondering about the remote remembering sort of the run into things lightly. England two thousand eighteen bid the Qatar Bid's World Cup it was a really vibrant and noisy sector and people. Were making a great deal of money as as advises does that what exists anymore because the what's the next big bid suppose fee for twenty thirty years. I mean obviously England England Arlanda putting their hat in the ring for that China of the received. Wisdom is that fiefdom may go to China because they won't go to resist the lure that China's not confirmed that they wanted to go for it yet and I should think they're going to have a few other things on their plate to deal with probably between now and that decision so fico is exists as a as a bidding marketplace for consultants. I think the IOC despite everything. I just said about them changing their rule significantly if you look at the runners and writers for twenty thirty two and that is extraordinary that we're talking about a game twelve years out now but that's what's happening. We've got Australia. Who are ready to put an offer on the table to the icy right now and they may say take it or leave it. You've got a year to decide if if you don't wear out It's again Widely reported that the I would love to see a North South Korea bid for twenty thirty two. That could happen still if Us peace talks resume with North Korean. India is widely reported to be interested in bidding for twenty thirty to Germany reportedly. Putting Vince. It goes on the list goes on. It's quite remarkable. How many now. Every one of those announcements will see a troop of consultants knocking on their door saying well we can help you. Even though at twelve years out so the decision isn't due for another five years on the old basis but on the new basis the IFC so we can make a decision whenever we like whenever we deem it fit that there is an appropriate city in place. So is that the end of the bidding industry for consultants. I think not. I think we'll we'll find a way we'll find a way because you're worried about the IFC. Iran saying don't spend waste money on consultants deal with us. Talk to us with the ones who can help you but it calls. It's a competitive situation. India want to beat no South Korean. North South Korea wants to be tough straight. So you look for Exton advice to give you a competitive advantage. Just mentioned my life a couple of times more you. What was the difference between you and him and what was. How did he see you? Do you think in terms of that was the do need that. Competition to make the difference between his agency in an agency was he specifically set up. His agency is a campaign CONSI. I'm very proud of it. I needed a remarkably good job. I was extremely skeptical. That it would work when he left London and set up her but he went on to prove me wrong. Many other people wrong and had a thriving and successful business with a great reputation pretty much entirely based on campaigns and the more political and aggressive those campaigns could be the benefit him and he he made his reputation from being a hard tough but you know pragmatic successful campaign whereas we would take him pain business but as sort of if you like the icing on the cake businesses much more on the traditional public relations model of long-term retainers Giving clients corporate reputation advice issues management. Advise you proactive. Communications advice and execution of advice on an ongoing basis so some clients such as the the royal family of Jordan. We've been working with since two thousand and three so For us the model was very different. We campaigns were icing on the cake. How did he do me? It's a massive Shane that he's not here to answer that but I think he viewed me as an irritating an irritating competitor that needed to be swatted down occasionally but but we had our coming together over the years but I think there was a grudging respect between us both about each other's work just when he thought we were out completely in our reputation would never recover from another loss. Then we would end up with a win. And so an EPSOM float a little bit like that but overall in Olympic bidding might was and woke up eating. Obviously Mike was significantly more successful than anyone else in the business. So more sort of broadly. The sports washing phrase is now banded about we're seeing that attached to Saudi at the moment and various other places. Does it work? Do you think I think in the sense that we're even talking about S- countries that are being accused of sports? Washing gives an opportunity full reputations to be discussed and put out that I think it doesn't work on. Its own but I think as part of an overall will integrated approach by a nation or city to improve its image using sports and bidding for and hosting major sports events is a good way of helping. The world changed that view and opinions on a country so despite all the problems that say Catta have had with Western media. They are still able on the back of the hosting fee for World Cup to get some amazing stories coming out now about what they're doing and they wouldn't normally have had that opportunity if it wasn't for the World Cup. Do you think in terms of this perception level and the reality does does anything change. As a result of sport major sports events you think in terms of the argument in favor of say dictatorships for example or totalitarian regimes hosting major. Sports events is that it's the sunlight argument. Do you think that isn't much evidence that actually happens and that works? Fundamental change happens rather than. Yeah I I think the opportunity to test. That question came from two thousand eight with Beijing and twenty fourteen with such to to to be blunt. I think Beijing China could have done even more than they did to capitalize on the massive success in global interest in the Games and that kind of apt away but they go to another bite now with twenty twenty two so I think they realize that they can keep this Olympic opportunity going for them to just to change some of the Western perceptions of China. There are certain things that will never change and they they recognize that in Russia so chee obviously Was a huge opportunity. Not just to change some perceptions in Russia that also took completely and comprehensively redevelop the whole region which the latter has happened so the the region is transformed and is now a very cool year round winter. Some result that that is attracting millions more tourists than they had before reputation wise because of various things that happened during the Games and reveal to happened after the Games. It probably hasn't worked out quite as well as Russia had hopeful because they definitely wanted to have a perception shifts on the back so cheesy but good things happened in Russia because of it. They now have a volunteer culture. Where which they didn't have before they now have a much greater awareness throughout Russia. Sporting events and all events in urban planning for the need to cater for people with disabilities. These types of things that Are often not talked about but Russia is definitely a better place for the Games because of that. Is it inevitable that there's a sense of disappointment about legacy? I mean legacy is just looking at because of the just the over claims that a made going in and people within start to say well afterwards. This didn't happen. That didn't happen. But that's the nature of the marketing cycle at the beginning presumably built up unrealistic expectations of major events. Is that what I think that needs to be a lot more attention to seeing a promises of legacy followed through The problem is once the rights holders are Outta town Often the stakeholders that bid for those rights change and people are less committed to legacies that were promised eight years previously. I think it needs to be better. Mechanisms put in place that absolutely see the guarantee of those legacies followed through and that will help generally the sports world greater credibility for some of these migrants when it goes to the getting public vote in favor of the major sporting as is difficult now is that is that just a sort of. It's tempting to wonder whether or not the IRC the Olympic Movement and big sport is out of step with the sort of man on the street argument that the brexit schism they're actually they're perceived to be part of the problem rather than any great solution. I mean these Referenda referendums in western nations. Because they don't seem to have a problem with the public votes in Russia and China and other places that these Western public plebiscites. If you like are definitely a problem and and what amazes me is the bid. Organizing committees forbids will hire at great expense top consultants to write that bit books to handle the marketing and public relations. And everything like that but when it comes to marketing to the local people they don't to employ anywhere near the same degree of professionalism so time and again there have been failed plebiscites in the last five or six years where I have been shot at. How amateurish the marketing campaign is being to win the votes from the people. Is there a gap between the sort of expectations on on the coast side and the rightsholder side of sort of is that they talking the same language? I think yes. There have been some some major issues in terms of of of how host cities or or bid cities and then they become host. Cities have misunderstood. Exactly what the rights holders are expecting and demanding and that needs to be cleared up much earlier and vice versa. You'll be a probably yes. Yeah I mean Sweden and other parts of Scandinavia. For example have recently had some major issues over this way host city contracts have been revealed to the public before before the bidding process has been decided. And that's resulted in outrage in misunderstood misunderstanding from local media as to exactly why some of the riders for Inc or whoever our in our in those contracts and so it can be very easily misunderstood the global sports and Richard who was initiative team of the Swedish Winter Games. He would be the environmental question and in relation to major event. That feels like a sweet numbers. He went very big on that and they were they lost but it feels like that was always remember running into Sydney and the other side. Lots of people talking about environmental sustainability. It was sort of tick box exercise to an extent. Now it feels a bit more existential Do you think that message has got through to those members that Utah in those rooms in the ICU? Like they realize the urgency of the story that they're telling compared to say extension rebellion. Yeah I think The membership of the ICY has changed dramatically since even the two thousand and five for London. I would say a nearly fifty sixty percent of those members of now retired and there's a new breed much younger members from a much more diverse set of Of World's back home from the business side from the NGO signed from the sporting side. But there is a really diverse young amendment. I AC- membership now and naturally because they've these people have grown up with much more concern over over the environment and climate change. There is a greater awareness amongst voting members of the need full the I S C to be part of the solution to some of the world's Environmental problems so yes. I hope and believe that there is a there is a shift in mentality is the average age of on this guy. I don't know the answer to that but you tell me what do you think it is? I think he sixty something I would think I don't know so we'll oskarshamn someone from the ICU. No DOUBT WILL. Ping response biked on this when you go live I would say would be low sixties mid mid to late fifties and male female. Getting better all the time getting getting getting better all the time and and gender equity is definitely one of the areas that under under. President Thomas Bach. They have made a huge difference. It's still more work to be done but if you look around the IFC now you would think even you would be surprised at just how balanced it becoming still still multiple done okay. So let's let's have a Olympic world because I just wanted it. There's a there's a few questions I love the I I really interested in what it's like when a crisis breaks when when they say of shipping the real shit has hit the fan and we are in trouble and then we need high-level comes advice and they get on the phone. What's that first day like? Crisis REPEAL PROP Appel crisis well in an ideal world. You don't want to be cold by any one seven a crisis because then you everything is going to be that much difficult to to deal with. ideally. You would want to be working with clients in helping them anticipate any area where they may have a crisis so the first step is always to to do vulnerability audit is. How vulnerable are you to a crisis and all you prepared for it and if not we need get you prepared for every type of vulnerability you may have again. This feels like a lovely strategic document is is waiting to be sold to a client listening to this cost but then you've done the audit they then something exceptional happens. But then if you've done a good job in preparation and any organization should have this does matter how large or small every organization should be considering this type of work. Then you already have a plan in place and you just move not necessarily seamlessly rather putting panicky. But you move into that plan and you begin to put the plan in place whether it's communication side of all the operational side of of the plan the to get a cool when a client is already in a major crisis is is tough because you are coming in inheriting a brand that is already challenged with no systems and processes in place. So it's a very different type of assignment than working with a client that is already a retain con that is facing an issue so less. Prince Andrew What do you make that interview from? Just BINGO PROFESSIONAL PERSPEC- Well I've been nominated in. Pr Week for one of those influential people along with. I'm sure you're in there as well is undefined and I want to know in but to be fair I I was asked for my worst. Pr Campaign of the year versus PR. Moment of the year whatever it was and I had to sign that because it was just as bad as you could get. What would you have said? Well why wouldn't have said anything I wouldn't have put him on. I just would not have put him on. He in it was a story that was watching waning a bit in terms of media interest. But it it. It certainly didn't. It wasn't a global story wasn't broadcast in every major media outlets around the world and he made sure that that was the case and if we believe what we read he. He turned down rather solid strong public relations advice and went off on some other advice. From a non professional person and The rest was self evident in what you think I thought it was just the most compelling thing I've ever seen yeah opposite whether it was. I just couldn't believe I wonder if he's sitting there open. Cup seems to get worse and worse. Everything he said just made everything was nothing. He said that made things anything any better. But it was so clear that he hadn't rehearsed it so that you know one of the great things that PR people do is they would top politicians all the way down you practice you practice you a hearse. You coach you guide. And and had he done that then everyone around him including himself would realize. This isn't going very well. Well basically I mean I always a bit rent but I I hate so media training because it turns it makes people. Boring may any avoids interest in a in a crisis. Boring is not too bad. You'd settle for boring in a crisis from the from the Cup in terms of just in terms of the entertainment or they'd is sending prices stocks Prince Andrew. A that was a that was an exception. But I do think on a day-to-day basis politicians. Sports Stars are quite tedious. To listen to and I blame may training. I do blame me specifically so it's not that you make a good point that there are people who are media trained to death and nail deadly boring but part of the job of people if you lie consultants lot myself is to train people to be interesting and dynamic and energetic and compelling so media training doesn't involve training people to be boring in an issue it's slightly different. You WanNA close down things. A little bit and direct people back to where you want them to be focusing on and that doesn't require making jokes and being compelling and entertaining in that way but generally training is about telling people to smile and talk you as a personality not as a brand and selling the. I blame you for Donald Trump and Boris Jones. Okay yeah a sort of an emblem but appear in fraud appearing to seek normally outside of that narrow code media. Training is taught us. Oh gives these people sort of license and the personality. My mom says bars lovely blind. I see now. There's no but it's he's unbeatable election. I would argue that turning away from those characters. I would argue. It's possible to do both to be on message but still have an incredibly engaging personality okay lay off the forward now into what's the future for Johnson. Jt We're rounding heading to the end of his interview. John as you but on evening wound up. There's lots of money around. Do you think you'll get you looking for someone to buy or is it? Well there's there's a lot of money around in sports marketing in general but that tends to evolve around things like rights and and obviously the sort of if you like innovation around new technologies for content distribution and so on so we don't get to see quite as much of that new money as we would like we in that sense still quite traditional Communications Agency and whilst we are profitable doing reasonably well we are not on that fast track of Getting investors swarming all over us to To out because they see us as the new the new great thing. We're very happy doing what we're doing. We got a stable of about twenty two twenty. Three coins All over the world we we all brexit proof because we've been exporting Pretty much Since the word goes so we'd be exporting all services outside the E U for a long time now so the Brexit doesn't come as a concern to us we'll continue to grow. We acquired a design agency. That's been good for us. We'll try and get more digital work out of that. We've opened an office in La. We've opened an office in Beijing. We're opening an office in the Middle East. My Managing Director Submarine Townsend. As she is now is Down in In in between Geneva in Lausanne we'll be offering Opening an office there. So we're growing steadily and term but I'm risk-averse. I'm not a big risk taker. So it's slow. Steady growth is aw and as long as I feel in a spring in my step when I got out of bed in the morning. Then we'll keep what you look across the agency sector what you say. What's the WHO do you think he's doing? Well you think is going to be sort of the next big stars of this well in in in all worlds. It's very interesting now to see that there is sort of a convergence of different types of organizations that are moving into our space so you will see management consultancies now picking up bits of business at previously public relations agencies used to use to get accountancy firms and now picking up the types of consultancy. Work that we would happily have tended for before. So there is a a a real convergence of of how what type of organizations are bidding for what and I think that the digital marketing space is designed side of that and the content generation and distribution side of that is the big huge growth area. And it won't surprise you. We're looking at that. As part of growth is there is sort of danger that everyone claims to do everything in sport does I. I can see I put you in a particular box. Jd Bones and we've had you know it's coming from a certain perspective and it was. It's public relations focused bidding but nor extensively when you talk agencies just tend to over claim everything to do you know we all still content yuppies. I'd like to agree with that. I mean we actually don't put our hands up and talk too much about bidding now. Although this excellent puck cost is has been focused on bidding. Because there's some great characters and great stories from from those days but where's the money come from but for us it it's corporate reputation it's about making sure all that large sporting organisations in very fast changing worlds putting their best foot forward so governance reviews gender equity today with transgender issues. Which is you know one of the big safeguarding of Of athletes the Ri- How to deal with the rise of athlete voice. These are issues that that challenge all our clients across the board so there is a there is a fancy consistent. If you liked drumbeat to work that we do for our clients and I agree with you. We try very hard not to say we're all things to people. We turned down opportunities to tender a lot of the time. Because we'll say that's not our core business is not what we do. Okay John Thank you very much for your time. 'cause always enjoyed that a great deal and thank you. Thanks Richard Great.
Visual Studio 2019 Productivity with Kendra Havens
63: Stage 21 | Verona Verona | Giro dItalia 2019
"Uh-huh. On your phone. Gee, what you get. Who? Teach us sick the wall. I know. What's her name? Where are you? Where are you from? Live saloon up. So have you come here to support? Because I. Kind of fast is Tampa. Browns. Are you cycling funds? It's amazing. Party to important assistant. How many people in Ecuador following the? Hyping while artist. On this comes in you. Mike. On you know that. The people here who are really Ecuador today live in tonight. You think they come from all over Europe? Because the. Care for. You're gonna have a big celebration tonight. The. Doing. Classic. Little pin is he makes his my round the times its high. Costal winning. Has. Inclusion at this time. One. Here today. Second book at did duty Talia in association with graph the fastest clothing in the world tour, the home of sampling with character. Right. And what we'd raffling turned nineteen as they partnered with e f location, I and Kenyans ram today, we are in bed owner. Say. She says she say, say. That she. We'd always Donyell we're in Verona city of love. Yes, we go. I think it was head us Verona funds behind this has Vernon when the two major closer vet. Oh, not the other one being Richard. Cable. Well, the we were played in there with some, some noise som atmosphere from the arena, the softer Lynn, where I sat all after noon. I sleep baking in the heat Julian Assange, surrounded by Quitorio, Innis me, see. Could say marooned in no no to this wasn't mentioned the were hundreds, if not thousands of Ecuadorians in their INA? I sat with them, and it was a tremendous heartless fear, and it was very emotional. There were people around me shaking crying, you know, the build up to carapace rich akara pas, leaving star star to his time trial was really charged. And then when he finished. An amazing atmosphere. And I think for the first time in was being a quite a kind of lukewarm Jiro hasn't really caught fire. I fell real sense of men for counterparts to become the first equa Ecuadorian to win a grand tour. And just what his kind of standing status will not be in Ecuador. Well, I'm rich it's a country, which has a population of seventeen million people. But as far as sport is concerned, isn't half the same glorious history of some of the South American nation's and highpoint was probably Andrey undersco underscores victory in the French Open in singles title way when singles title in nineteen ninety. They go to the courts fine of the football World Cup and they lost to England. Didn't they we signed the lost World Cup of the previous one and, but that was seen as a pretty high water Mark, in terms of Ecuadorian sporting history. And we heard earlier in well, our coverage there isn't although there are few Ecuadorian cyclist. I three in this geo. There isn't really a, a scene inadequate or writers have to go to Columbia to kind of develop. One thing I've been till this, this huge rivalry between Ecuador and Colombia. And yet it was very notable today. The Colombian writers McGowan Lopez in particular when he appeared in the arena, and he got huge cheer from the Ecuadorian. So that was that was interesting. And it was a I mean worth praising the Geeta organizers for tremendous commercial piece finish to the race here. Yeah. Not the first time the racist finished in the arena in Verona last time is in two thousand and ten. And it works ESP today, there was not an awful lot to play for car pass the overall classification, pretty much sewn up. Most of the places will pretty much sewn up apart from Mikhailova, who is in third overnight, but was in third. Yes, he wasn't. But it was almost a formality that he was gonna lose out to pre most rogue Lynch buys wall happened. So it could have been an anti-climax put for those who were here. I didn't feel like one of tool did it well in this episode our final episode from the GPO, although we will have a press commerce so later in the week, and we are going to hear from a low of writers with their best and worst moments from the Jerusalem. Some really. I mean, let's say it for war buses all I can say is fantastic story from Larry war. Bus from this Chiro stage today was won by Chad Haga the American writer on team son whip night if he'd listened to our two zero on frady, which was called Nossa. Ars focused on the teams have won a stage, the jeeter on his sports rights mart reef that say that Haga was really targeting this, this time trial. And that he was very optimistic. He did say that he thought five was, you know, the target. So I think his performance exceeded expectations poodle. Victocrat nour's. He was in the seat went Haga came in and four seconds sore. Having lost the previous time charts rogue let's variance, very narrowly and after terabyte change. He's no, the world. Our record old has not come away from this year with a sage in it should be disappointed about his lots of teammate. Thomas again with a very strong right into third. So second third for lots of pseudo. Donna Caruso, was fourth. It was interesting. Ho the G C guys on standing time, offering Vincenza Nibley which has continued a trend that this year. He's time trout very, very well, but he actually beat Primoz Lynch and the winner of the previous time trials. Incredible performance. And, you know, in the end, the finalists Ritchie counter wins zero by woman. It five from Vincenza Niebler Nibley has caused to route that day. Healers, actually, in one when he premiums, let's basically MARTINI other as Richard counterparts sailed up the road. And that was as we discussed last night was the day that kind of pies, one, the Jiro as you said, Llandough slipped down a place to lose his spot on the podium and probably healthy bonus as we were talking about yesterday. We're way. Yeah, it's interesting. We were talking to a team manager yesterday who should probably remain nameless for reasons of diplomacy. About bonuses in contracts is standard practice for a rider to have a binary podium place. And, you know, you can cause it can cause some difficulties internally, obviously, when a ride is destined to or decided to move teams the following year as well. We think that's the case in London. We think his barring Morita, we think it's the case cut up houses, well, and but, but Landa played the perfect teammate here. At least didn't he rich? He did. Yeah. And the ends up fourth which she'll not be very happy with pretty much raw glitch on the other hand, the think we'll be happy with third, especially when you look at this time, trial and see as evidence that his, his form was declining. He was on the wane. So to hold on third. I think in the circumstances is a good result for him his first same on grunts, you're put him so me. For me ball, KOMO Mullah v. Very, very strong. Right from him. Ruffo mica moved up a place at six meal. Anghel Lopez supermom, moved down and place to seventh. Simon Yates finished eighth some mischievous suggestions, that the allies, Val, the writer of this grant has been Simon Yates, Farren panel civic cough, ninth, very good performance from the twenty one year old illness accurate, tenth, Hugh, Carthy, eleventh, Joe Dombroski, twelve coaching seeing I'm going, go do the whole g C, but I'm gonna stop there actually, but some, some really notable performance. I mean, any Dunbar twenty-second also these performance and look how within twenty fifth young writers, who writing their first grand tour and worth mentioned, the king of the mountains was, of course, Gilio Gucci Kuni of trek, Sehgal, freighter points. Jersey Pasco Ackerman youth. Jersey under twenty five jersey Migo Anghel Lopez and the top team Daniel, the one that everybody wants we'll know who won the fat player would sparring Morita wasn't it? He would we should know this, but I don't know is it the team gets a few so yellow cards every day. There's a fair play convocation and usually there are seventeen teams equal on a few teams have been Dr few points for some misdemeanour roller. But I must admit maybe this is a Columbus zero next year. But team classification was won by movie star clothing in the world, the home of settling, with character. Right. And what we turn to nineteen as they partnered with e f occasion, I and canyons ram, there's a lovely pitch. Mustache of Tom Simpson in the Persian jersey and I told her story, which I'm not sure it's true that during that time when state new when color TV started and. Apparently that the, the jersey that stood out the most on collective he hits. The Black Watch jersey of, of Persia wishes, seems absolutely ridiculous in the color TV everybody thought while we can do fantastic jerseys. It was stunned out more, but actually this implicitly Black Watch to now. Better on club kit. I think there's something about belonging by wearing the same jersey, but there's also something about not looking to match matchy think. Quite a few of us have joined clubs and, and started all-weather the same stuff, but you get a bit bored of all looking identikit. So increasingly we're seeing people, adding that Letterman's in or in our club. We've got a variety of different jersey worse. When you see a group of fifty people, then all that have like an army they look like a group of people, but they also have make sense together. And that's I think we can do this. The with the pull Smith product would just done because it's different colors in this way, putting it together till help our club to have a different way of dressing as Paul the home. Thank you very much to Rafeh for being our headline sponsor, not was the final installment in the conversation between Sir Paul Smith, designer and Simon Mottram the finder of Rafeh discussing cycling kit in general, in particular, the, the RC, raff recycling clump, the poll Smith has designed which beautiful, you can have a look at Rafeh. Don't see see and interesting points made there by by pulse Smith mentions. A photograph is called Tom Simpson. I've been to his office, actually in London is just an emporium of cycling memorabilia, he's got loads of bikes Jersey's just everywhere everywhere you look, there's something cycling related. So he is passionate cyclist 'em. So this Jiro Daniel woods, where does it? Where does it rang? We're going to hear the best and worst moments from the writers are some of the writers all of them. But for you, you reflect on this Judy I'm not gonna get my one gos-. So tomorrow, wrench always day after the, the Jerry, we've very interesting winner in the sense, usually surprise winner is, is greeted with great excitement and fanfare in this case, it's sort of a semi surprises mates. A surprise the most people that kicking themselves for not having cottoned onto earlier or not having tips before the J. Right. Because the signs were there in the sense. The loss shave finished fourth overall wanna stage. Next start to the season when the what the studios performed well in other races races like Tirreno he was kept a pretty low profile, but hasn't had any significant illnesses or injuries. And yet, we rule pretty much convinced. He was coming to this cheer as a support rider for Miquel London. And we got it quite spectacularly wrong. Didn't we the first time I was really aware of him was twenty seventeen the Welte there was a stage in the first week that went through Bannon dorm, and the fish off his little climb, and I think Chris room on the stage, but Richard carapaces attacked on the claim. I'm assigning with fron reas who. New car parts per well, because the road for FRANZ team when he first came over to Europe and he was surprised to see him off the front of the group that, you know, this was only eighteen months ago. So, you know, his his progress has been rapid, but as you say, not Jiro last year in particular, you know, highlight it, I think, because it was solely on because it was. So overshadowed by Chris rooms. Race-winning right. On stage nineteen counterparts sneaking up into the top four kind of win unremarked upon on your right? That was the result on the performance really should have alerted us his potential as it seems alerted what was then team sky and debris for it who acted. Apparently quite soon after that, to sign him up. Yeah. And I think in the last year, he's confidences just grown escalated. He's had an interview. So it was a real breakthrough teams. Come forth from the last year was the first time he considered that he might one day contend for grant. Or then he went before this Chiro, he went home to Ecuador was training at three thousand meters above sea level. You know, this is something that we're all aware of now, the amount of training that goes on trial, this chair, I've been speaking, tip some coaches and team managers and they remarked upon one important role. It's now playing the the the richer teams tend to be able to. Food longer training for longer altitude camps. And they're doing that. Well with, with the Grahn leaders and large swathes of the season, and now consumed with altitude training comes in compounds born at three thousand meters above sea level. Sure, I'm sure that's Cianci's into his jeans on some level. But yeah his preparation was excellent. And this morning, I spoke to the manager of movie star just to gauge to what extent it was a surprise for him that cut up husband so strong this year. It's true. It's a big surprise by winning stage and finishing lost year already left everyone. He's business card that said made huge strides in a year. He's become break confident in himself, and he's does reciprocate that because he felt stronger and stronger. We'll sudden noticed earlier in the year, then he goes with Jiro. He was close to being the strongest guy here from the first time in bologna all the way through the mountains. She could also kind of Mikhail. He's a master in this kind of situation having been there several times before that brilliant performance from the whole team have made this possible. I don't think anyone should have been underestimating him after the first day she won on the day this new him Bittel ready. And I think he already showed enough on the first mountain stage for the this to consider him a candidate for the victory often that he simply gave them an encore Myer many became just a case of consolidating and. Taking any opportunity became his way with the final time trial road inches CPR that in mind. That's pretty much how it panned out. Took a few seconds in coamo, a few more punted Legno. And you saw what happened yesterday? I can't really gate yet. What impact this will have in Ecuador's honestly, though, I'm very happy to have done this with the right up from a new site in country. We did something similar for Columbia with Marican Tana six years ago. I know what something like this means countries like that. I mean, having an I'm Basseterre, who can achieve this sort of thing. It's really exciting that we've played all part in giving Ecuador a star like Richard, not least because he came from development system. So yes, it's a fantastic feeling overall. By the end Incas my year. Movie star, obviously have big business interests in South America. Don't they are spreading their net beyond Colombia, Ecuador, Costa Rica, the continent is obviously a great hunting ground for talent and Venezuela as well. And, you know, there'll be other Ecuadorian cyclists who who emerge because of Richard carapace. And I must say sitting with the Ecuadorian fans today did bring it home to me, just what this would be received back there. And we, we've read about the Ecuadorian television showing the last two stages. Live buying the rights to show the stage. I've, it's clearly resumes in Ecuador to a great degree. And carapace is set to probably get reception that we see, for some of the Colombian writers when they go go home. Yeah. The bitterness. For mobile. We think that they're gonna lose car pas next here the. What we've heard various things loss. She days that movie star didn't move quickly enough to, to the he wasn't on very much money. Yeah. They didn't move quickly enough to raise your salary off to a very good first year as a pro second year as well. And, and Consequently, I think his agent pay acquired a Royal pasta Cheerios is no, we've, we've done that story. I think before, well, he's had a fairly that particular agent has a fanny bumpy relationship with more. We star he's hired some of his big clients. They're like Nyerere can taunt but they've been disputes along the way and it seems that on this occasion with pas acquire role has well decided that, that kind of has it would be better off another team. And the team with which I quite has a very good relationship any worth noting that it was movie stars fifteenth grunter went in there in the course of their existence from I think this is their thirteen ninth season. In the peleton began as Reynolds, spike in nineteen eighty I think it was and morphed into BANESTO case depan movie star. They've been various incarnations over the years. But you know as been there through, and he. Yes. Masterminded fifteen grand through, which if you if you bring it isn't isn't isn't, maybe as many as should be nevertheless. It's no easy doing grants. I'll awful lot teams with an awful lot less pure, another team, believing this Chiro with much reflect on, I think, is you movies my who came in with a, a writer who law people is a favourite pretty much rug Lynch, and he won the way that he won the the opening. Time-trial prologue in blown. Yes, suggested the he was on fire, and it would be a case of whether he's able to maintain that form, handsome, bad luck along the way. I mean robot Heston key loss before the the race even started and then Lawrence too loose in the first week to illness. So he's been left, isolated not had the support that he would have liked em. I suppose Rishard Pook. The star at the day, this was before rogue lich managed to secure his place on the podium, racial Puga, general manager of you movies Ma and it's been really instrumental in the project to build a team. That can win a grunter vantage Jiro what what's your assessment of the race? And no. You came here with, you know, I'm Bishop of Primoz challenging to win the race. But what's your assessment? Hello. We still have one race to go one states ago. But I think we did really good job taking into account all the circumstances. What what happens? I mean we lost already four Jiro over tasing, which is really incredible strong guy, but those are experienced and of course, we brought in Sep who's talented and really strong but does not have the same experience as over facing. And then we lost the Lawrence of bliss, which was the left tenant for the for the for the end of the stages show desert us and and Primoz lots in during these these days. Do you think that it's been a factor don't want to say is this point because a good chance finish on the today, but I guess he's been in such great. Formal season there'd been two things that people talked about high. His form dipped for a little bit. And as he also suffered from not having much support in the marriage as some of the other writers in this race. I think yes, the letter and, and, and also aggression in the what was it Sunday? So he had he had some some pain in some restraints from from that as well. And so last week was not. He was not best anymore because, because we, we think, and of course like you said the what I said already. We missed a we missed specially Lawrence Indian is there. An argument oversee spreading your resources between the geo and the front. You've got strong theme going to the well is an argument for putting all your very strongest writers in one team for one grunter. It's good. Be an idea for for the next to the racing. But again, when we made a plan for this year, we had on paper, very strong team team here with facing can and Lawrence, and the other guys on, but then things are changing, because of regression years, you, you cannot say suddenly at that moment that we put in one of the other writers with with other goals because they are also not prepared to do what they have to do here. It was. So we had to, to choose for, for seven nothing that set again, I don't want to diminish. This is is capacities because he's a great writer integrate Dylan but elects to the experience. And if Primoz is to finish on the podium here, which is very possible. Would you regard that as another postive set forward in your development as a team? Yes. Roy, even if it is. This today. We made a big step in our, we, we went through two stages here, which is incredible riding five in, in a grant or is not something we did often as a team. And we saw also the experience with having the detailed favor of, of, of the Jiro in our, our ranks is also really important for, for the for the for the near future. So, you know, I see it as opposed if step on the learning curve. Yes, the result we would would have liked to, to be a little bit better on the higher on the podium. But I think, you know to be to be on this. I think we can be really be at the moment. So only think in the circumstances. Daniel movies, will be quite happy. Is there I for the immigrant or, and I think, you know, given what happened to rogue lich along the way and is interesting. You mentioned the crashes raw Lynch, himself mentioned, the crash on the road, Toco has been quite significant. Current in the downturn in his form that we've seen I think third place as, as result that they, they can be quite pro. Yeah. I think so the question with rogue which I suppose, is how much margin nurse from from proven. He's twenty nine base very young insulting terms. This third fourth grader full-frontal but third full season with the current team. And I'm speaking to monitor Matia golly earlier on the Jiro, and he. The just had this great momentum so far in his career in the sense that everything he's done has been new and everything. He's done has been better than the previous year. Will the luck for like comparisons positive, and now creates a snowball effect, and this may be the first time in his career where you could call what he's done here? Plateauing. Have you finished a total FRANZ in full place lost year? So now you know, he's very easy to go from that to a point where people start to get frustrated disappointed. Ask questions and the next Gruntal for road, which is going to be an important one. It'd be finishes fourth or fifth then people will start to ask questions. I think that there Easter Mogae for improvement. I think the timing of his form, peak is the big one, I think he was informed too quickly in this Chiro, possibly, inexperienced possibly not knowing himself fully yet. And. Mood in any more than any real. He has in time trials or or in the mountains. So I think he he's a very well rounded writer, isn't it? Don. You'll we've been last couple of days asking some of the writers for their best moments writers, journalists team managers anyone anyone we could find to speak to us about their best moments. I'm worse moments from this Cheeto. I felt like I was actually going better in the second week. I'm Jay brass key from team EF education. I tie crashed right before the rest day. I don't know. I feel like I haven't really been quite as good since then not bad. But like I was expecting more out of the third week. But overall, it's not bad decent. Jiro Jiro for the team like my last couple of seasons. Weren't great. So it's good. I don't know. I feel like I'm back on track, you know, back at the level, I know I can be at which is good eighty team Neal's of C turned into stage stage twelve. Like. Likud won that stage participants Astor, maybe too hard myself, but. Yeah, it was just like I'm moved into finish, maybe small too much and you live in learn as I said, after the race and I'll be back for short story, again hardest moment the day after the break again. So the first time in the race ROY race. My legs aren't so good today. Couldn't really follow the top goes. So didn't wanna go to deep into raid backed off a bit toward about today's stronger from their own, which was always positive. Yes, I take stage Turkey. Always wanted to do grand tour. I taught it was raised at suit me, I think. I've learned it is racist suits, me, and I can get stronger. They one to improve on. But. Yeah. The more I do them too gala Qingchen. Before to mix. The second coast at the tiny, he supported by scientists port. Taints is sport fueled by science. Thank you very much to sciences sport for supporting the cycling podcast. You can get twenty five percent off. All your son's sport products. Scientists sport dot com with the code SIS C twenty five as we near the end of another grunter reached the end of another grunter. We say thank you to sign sport. For supporting us in the neighbouring us to, to cover all the grand tours in the way that we do next stop Tertre fronts. But thank you to scientists sport. Daniel. Best moment, best racing moment for you and move the moment, I would say theme, which I think is cheer has been sure on storylines. Thanks, sean. Control cathy. I yesterday about Superman's altercation with the fan that reflects the fact there's been pretty sparse as far as control of ac- and talking points, humping concerned on this year. One storyline, which I have enjoyed as a sort of racing narrative has been supremo's rogue riches 'isolation and. In the face of some very strong teams. And even barring Morita, perhaps the strongest team to the Jared. But, you know, been surrounded by had lots of Everts cut Russo have been ready useful and Bismah have coped tool of tried manfully, the likes of couldn't Bowman. I'm set Koos onto untold who but they really been thrown in the deep, and at times it has been almost as the premiums rogue late. She's sort of floating down the river on a single to branch, the has has has fallen off. What was previously fairly rickety raft? And he's been very stoic in particular situation. He has a stoic demeanor about toes, countenances quite stoic, and to stereotypically eastern European inscrutable, and I feel very interesting, because, you know, we took a lot about high in the collective is in cycling. Sometimes it's. It's quite nebulous. We don't really fully understand when the team is important phases. The rice, how much is important in this instance, we've seen woman. Sort of taking grenades from from all sides, really an eastern pretty well, but it hasn't been enough in the end. So I think that's been one of the more intriguing aspects of this JIRA indeed. Well, I mean, a couple of racing highlights for me was well, designed Benedetti stage win was a was a highlight on. We can see in the action of his fellow writers, and they were, they were happy for which always very telling he's obviously very popular in the in the peleton. He does a lot of work for other people on this was one of those days where just all came together for him. And he's very serve on shu-ming modest humble guy, and, you know, I think he won a lot of people over with his, his, his his victory speech, you know, as very modest can away that he accepted the fire that he'd seems almost embarrassed by in a way. So that was a highlight another highlight was was today. Chad Haga winning the time trial 'em. He had a tear. Rable accident few years ago. January two thousand sixteen kelpie. Yeah. And I was there when it happened to interview, Joan, Dan, Kolb, and Tom Damola, and I was in their hotel when word came back about this accident that some of the right has been involved in a car had hit them head on the car being on the wrong side of the road. And you know, it's one of those things where initially the reports are all there's been an accident. It's been a crash and then just gradually, the news, the atmosphere darkens and the news becomes worse and worse than till you start to feel fear the worst. And it was a really awful thing to, to witness into to be around when it was going on. And when there was uncertainty about these guys weren't crashes left a really terrible on the team on certain individuals team. We saw Jen John comb win a stage France year, which research, first major win since that happened. Having previously won once on Raymond pirate bay. You know his his progresses. Really stopped with without crush, and he's been fighting to come back ever since and Chad Haga was another one involved in 'em spoke to him just a few weeks after the crash as he came back to racing flesh alone. I think about it every day. Many times a day, every, every risk, I take every chance I take in the races decision to make because because I have to battling feared and being scared constantly put as more races go, well, the, the more confident I get closer to my normal, self sounds Chad Haga mean almost a strong time trials on a winner today surprise winner. You know, they've solve is something in the end on web from a, a really disappointing race where Tom Damola the team is all about supporting try and win the second Jiro, but the flip side is, I think they'll go to France with a very strong team, Simon hopefully recover and. Wilco. Kelderman. And rich sort of ironically, you might think you might have thought the Chad Hager's Hager, Hauge, Hauge, Hayes responsibilities. Helping Tom Dima might have hindered him in terms of going for stage when actually helped him in the sense, the he, he had trained law, I think to, to help doom line in the mountains. Be a lot of work on this climbing. And consequently, he's been quite comfortable in the mountains, relative to the Leisa Victor company. That's he's fairly comfortable in the mountains ever lost few days. He's been able to conserve some energy and that was absolutely key today. Should we hear some more best and worst from other writers? Let's John, Paul. Right. That moment when I first time step on the podium to the pink jersey, I met this score really like a doom come true. Yeah. I think forever right? Good the Josie. I mean it's something special, you know, especially in the Jiro, and it's one of the biggest Royces. Yeah, I will never forget that moment than cope in the future will be some similar moments yesterday on the among Mongan. I didn't I some point didn't know if I could go over the top, you know, I was thinking I need to stop it. But then I just trying to push the push the push after a little bit more. I survived the bed moment, and then try to not lose this much to keep up twenty my name's Larry war best, I ride for Asia to our LeMond the Al and my best of the Jiro was probably the fish that I had last night, you know, we did like super long day. And our chef was like, oh, yeah. For dinner. We're gonna have like cod and the seriously cod. Like fish like I do. I do not feel like fish again the last night. So I was like not really looking forward to it. And then honestly, it was probably the best piece of fish of every in my life. So he cooked in like he used some kind of French vapor cooking with, like a plastic wrap around it. And then it was like, a, a coconut milk vanilla sauce, sort of thing. It was actually it was incredible. So that was probably my best Jiro. Unfortunately, the legs didn't really provide me with too much good memories. What was the worst? I'll be honest by Jiro in general was was pretty average. So the highs the lows, we'll pretty much all the same no no okay? Low. There was one day where my tire nearly rolled off on the descent and. It was like the second climb of the day. It was one of the is maybe was the second stage car has one and yeah, it was like I was like good position on this ascent, and I started to see my, my tire got really hot on descent, and started to roll off side to pull out of the group. And then the cars are so far back because you know everyone behind on the climb, and then the descent, and I ended up on the road by myself really far behind, and, and then ended up in the group PetO for really long day. And then someone tried to interview me about being in the group PetO at the end of that day. And that was really not happy about being there. So that was probably my low Jiro Johnny's. Soul. Very, very happy for the winner. Pumps in the central of these was vibo as the professional win at the beginning of the deal. And the moment was accident for Andrea environment in the finish. Because I think that it was able able to play the victory with statement chops. Larry will buy second love jerick. Yeah. Okay. So you just reminded me. I I don't know if I ever snapped. Very, very rarely snapped while I rarely snapped ever. But I very rarely snapped in a bike race. And. You know, the whole thing like when you the grand tour this always these guys who you're next to, you know. You just always run in the same place in the peleton. Okay. So, you know, he ended up there's always each guy has wanted to guys. And so you always kind of bumping bars for me. It actually used to be Franck slack. And, you know he thought he was like, you know, kinda hot shift so he'd always just try to take my wheel and whatever. So I used to let him but, you know, now I'm a little bit feistier. And so for me this year, a lot of times it was Hugh Carthy, and it's okay we've already we had talked, so so you know, I'm allowed to say this in public now. But like it was sometime the start of third week how the Motorola day I think, and it was like pretty early on in the day, and he's pretty lanky. So he takes a lot of space in the bunch, and moves left, Araya a little bit. And so one day I was behind him. And I know if I do something wrong, you know, sometimes I do something wrong, and I'll totally admit it, but this time I did really nothing. That was behind and he moved over. And I, I didn't do anything. I didn't say anything and they turned around, and he goes like Sunday. Like what were you trying to go? What's your problem? I just had enough from like I don't know the whole stress of the race in the weeks. I just went off and I just tore into him for thirty was like I didn't even know what I was saying, but thirty seconds straight. I just went off on just yelling and yelling and yelling and yelling. And I think he was so shocked to see. It's like crack. Then he didn't really say anything in response. In part of what I was saying was that you need to have respect whatever. And, and then he just said, I don't ever spec because no one respects me. But yeah, that then later in the day, we I went up to him. And I said, I'm sorry for tracking and, and we kind of like made up. So, so was okay we're good now. But it was that was maybe my low with euro feud is attack that day. Yeah, I know. Yeah, then he actually flew. And then I, I actually kind of bad because then you saw like the end when he sprinted with Neeveli and the Niba game shit. I was like, maybe he doesn't really get that's respect actually. But, you know so sorry. Untangled. You have a best Nanri seem woman. Yes. You'll news from. Yeah, I'm sorry. I don't think you featuring it, unfortunately, rich, I think it was the evening spent with napalm Inbar ExCo tipping. Yeah, I'm fortunately, the best to I mean, we visited some fantastic locations. We always do on the on the JIRA the best to the two. Most enjoyed have actually not really been on the race route that being sort of own transfer long transfers between stage finishes and stars. So warm was in bad about ExCo. We decided to stay there after the stage to Novi legal and the star of the nice day was in Cuneo about the halfway point was the sort of Langa hills that the around Alba in Piedmont, and we had a fantastic meal inbound ExCo drank some good just wind and yeah, that was difficult to improve upon. Another one. Rich Sunday, get up last night. That was to be mine Bassano del last night. Yeah. That was a real revelation spotted that we were seeing the BNB Hemingway. I'm on a I'm not interesting. And then, you know as a as I as Lieutenant I saw this history between Ernest, Hemingway and Bassano del grappa from the first World War when he was base there and he was based in the building. We stayed in and it's a long building alongside the river, beautiful river. What's river called the, the Brenta and. One end of this block is the penny way museum on the other end was our Ben breakfast. And the Ben breakfast was just given over to, to Hemingway. And I went to the museum, the smarting on, you know, Hemingway's connection with the place is quite tenuous in a way and the museum as much. The first World War, and the talent campaign and the Americans who were who were based there, and it was very interesting. But also, it was a Hemingway on his, his whole life, actually, and, you know, reminded again, of restless, figure Hemingway was just the travel that he did the situations. He find himself in the, you know, the his involvement in well, first World War, the Spanish civil war, the second World War. He was always he was he always wants to be where the action was. And it was it was really, really interesting really enjoyable cultural morning. I knew mentioned the river, rich and the bridge over the river is quite remarkable. Most people's minds of mice famous, the most remarkable bridge in Italy is the punt Vecchio in Florence, maybe the, the Alto in Venice, the punk Dalyell Pini in by suddenly got up is is the hipster. For the best bridge in Italy, because it's it was designed by Andrea, Palladio Palladio has lots of extraordinary villas that were Bill in the renaissance period. So sixteenth century in the venedetto region. Most of them, all to the public, you can visit them, and now they're a couple of love grappa, boss actually, in the bridge honor the. Unfortunately, is filled with show. Yeah. I mean I was so inspired by my visit to Asano grappa the ball farewell to arms Hemingway's book that. That's really a fictional fictionalized kind of his time there on a love affair on his vulva, fresh World War, I was despised through prize one of the cycling podcast greatest ever movements, Daniel, because the opening paragraph in that book describes the very scene that we could see from our and so the smarting I went and find Larry warn bus who's from the same part of the world as having to link. She says he's from the midwest like Hemingway was, and he kind of speaks in that kinda Hemingway droll. So I went into find Larry war. Ernest Hemingway, Ernest Hemingway of the Palatine, and I asked him to read the only paragraph of farewell to arms. Sorry. Daniel, Richard made me do this. In the late summer of that year we lived in a house in the village that looked across the river and the plain to the mountains in the bed of the river, there were pebbles, and boulders, dry and white in the sun in the water was clear and swiftly moving and blue in the channels troops, went by the house in down the road and the dust they raised powder. The leaves of the trees, the chunks of the trees to were dusty and the leaves fell early that year. And we saw the troops marching along the road, and the dust, rising and leave stirred by the breeze falling in the soldiers marching and afterward. The road bear in why except for the leaves. So that was Warren bus reading Ernest, how did you get on asking Hugh coffee, three the Shakespeare, we'll get onto the get onto that and a minute Jennifer, ma'am? Couple of souvenirs from Asahi got grappa flavored toothpaste, manufactured by nominee, who invented the distillery, which invented cropper. Hugh coffee Shakespeare, not a marriage made in the time in. Yeah. In the city of love, and as to two gentlemen, of Verona. So have you seen somebody, I've seen gopher? The of love. Give spree. I feel. Anyway, she's working. She's looking very uncomfortable. And we were talking about Hugh coffee. I actually spoke to him after the face today. And it was another another classic. The growing key coffee and I'm Jay of great interviews here. What would be emotions when you came arena? They're nice. The confused. No one to go with the northern what's going down left to right show. But in a better direction next time I in the best three weeks of your career today, don't always hard to pinpoint. Different different different Pasha Kareem in different things. Most on. I don't know. I she's I don't know. I ought to say you perspective, change the times and get more experienced things thinks less important than the pasta. I'm. I'm happy copy, and I'm going to get completions still what to do. And. Same thing tweak things and briefings. Yeah. The writers have said, look at powerful. So this is not just been any ordinary granted. It's been a very hard one. Well, does that give you exercise? You've been able to do what you have in a very hard race. Yeah. Cast quotient. The question. No. Yeah. He's been hard. It's been hard towel falls. Heavy racist Harvey's days. There's no easy races. Star decision straight to John routines save nowadays. Have been good in Jordan on us for anymore. The plan tonight, especially planning to balcony the statue. Estevez on my famous Michigan skull yesterday. What pretty special one, but also star, these raise during for me what happened that year and being the start line, I was from, and like, just to be fair by the heart war kinds, all expectations and all the but moments, like I said, a very key. Keep living, keep fighting keep attacking, because you're never know when the bigger. I'm still Davis. And I write for team dimension. Data, probably the t so an expected. I'd real rough for seven days of the stomach problem, and Dallas really worry that I was gonna have to pull out to be honest, and then in the end, we just said all use it recovery. So not even go full Gus which with hindsight. I'm kicking myself now because maybe you never know. Was always said this, plenty of rough days, Israel. I, I refer as tough of this because. Yeah, we had long days and I just couldn't really eat properly or drink crop. Lace. But yeah. Car stability, moms joy, Hamlin author team somewhat actually I caught enjoyed the Motorola says done that clung once before, and it was pretty mythical. Yeah, it was pretty cool. Yeah. Rolling into the bottom of that climb. In the breakaway and works movement, then hitting the Motorola. Looking for magazine and the daily newspaper detailer, my very best thing of this Jiro wash. Agritourism. Gaza, the mama Mia Alba which was three. Terrific souvenir. Good foods, I guess pasta and the more Spotify, and finally team show. Beautiful rounding my place to rack your by the worst thing of peers Talia wash the weather always raining, always railing. I think there were three days of sunshine and I did the last couple of years, and the other two. Where foolish on every day. And now straining rating, really. And I really hated because it looked like we were in Holland, where always reading I, I am insulation that the mature listen, bitches sport magazine from Italy, my twenty nine Jerry, the thing I didn't like the most Indus Jiro was the first week. I never saw it. First week Leglise. Let's remember me the oath to the French didn't see stages. Good for the show for the ranking and see mountain finish in the first ten days. I like the most is the, the wish of the bigger fight everyday without big tech. And I think they enjoyed the race and is people I think, I n days have people to forget the first thing. Well, some more best of war stove there. Daniel. And what's been the biggest the biggest disappointment for you in the race? Well, they've been if you ride is, who have underperformed, I think aces, underperformed. He knows that. I think he's mystified as to what's happened. Oh, they rich. You mentioned earlier, the top the show Taylor, tapa mentioned, the time, gaps car, posits final winning winning about a minute. We were talking in the Colorado about how much has changed in the last fifteen years in two thousand six the winning margin even buses winning margin. Ooh, the caveats, you know, we need to apply to that, because Basset were subsequently exposed as a as a don't cheat. But he went, I think nine minutes going back a little bit further to Toews the FRANZ Yang. Rick woman, nine minutes in the Twitter Frantz in nineteen Ninety-seven and a winner. Richard counterparts who feels this is though he's one fella in particularly without any real moments of great alarm suddenly since about well stage ten or eleven. And Simon Yates has actually lost not not much time. I think he's final is final deficit from car about nine minutes. So, you know, I think not just speaks to the, the we know who all the most able, the most gifted guys in the Pederson are now, however, those, those writers still kinda Ford to be sort of one or two percent, the wrong side of their best form. Otherwise, they will they will come in with the result. Let Simon Yates's, which is, you know, respectable result, but it's not what he was looking for seven four nine nine. In the end. Yeah. I mean, Lopez been disappointments of Chiro also happened before the race. Even started there. I think there's been some months of anticipation for this race. We were looking at this races being potentially, if not probably the most exciting of the grand tour is because we had Bernal against the moola against Niba Lee against rogue lich and against Lopez and nobody mentioning counterparts. But we lost Bernal before the race star. Thanks, broken collarbone, and we then lost moolah in the first few days. And so, you know, I it's been a of an anti-climax, and I think almost goes back today, one, which I felt was an anti-climax the, the claim son, Luke and, and bologna, where the race started a tremendous arena for a long time. Been the greatest opening stay. We, we walked claim and thought this is going to be unbelievable. But then you've got Damola. I really old favorites in the first twenty writers, which Donyell hundred dollars on rereading your Eddy, Merckx spooked for future project, and the nine hundred sixty nine hundred France which marks he, he did the same his team also trying to be smart. And beating the weather beat the expected rain marks went off I prologue time from nineteen sixty nine I wasn't sure if that happened before, but yeah, I mean, the whole point of the date on the climb is the again anticipation. The build up and this was kind of initial burst of excitement that, just then. Graduate deflating the inflatable mattress of excitement. Now, I would agree with that, rich. You know, the coolest good metaphor for the race in a way. Yeah. The coolest itself has given us the my sprinting racing. We few nights ago about the reasons full that pink my venues in an impossible position by Matera's withdrew having been pencilled in the, the venue for the ground. They plug on the part time, sir. And he had to come up with an alternative route for not just got on their potential at the whole geo in very short order. And he did not. I mean, a few people while one sickly what's for us. Yes, said the. Venue is accomplished. Nothing short of a miracle to put the Jiro together, particularly now with the restrictions are under four security reasons and, and because of terrorist threats legislation that's into to counteract terrorist threats. It's getting harder and harder for us to, to design the particular when something like that happens with Tara, polio. So that's been slightly disappointing. Not been the most thrilling routes and it's not been the most thrilling JIRA, it hasn't, of course, the highlight is always well to Tallin legends. Gianni savvy has been giving us daily tactical insights into his team, Drobny UN today to present him with an honorary peddler to Sharm shirt, he was delaying a thing is a press release. Yeah. He he disappeared for two or three minutes. He went off to fund his team's press officer demanded. I am press released be written up on them. Hopefully that will be winging its way around the super internet. Highway for highway having many of our police will be publishing press release, I just a friend of mine Jonathan farmer who is an expert on all things. South, America's just smashing me save it and present Morano has recorded a video message for Richard Kara. Pas is phenomenal story in Ecuador. This apparently, so as I say, we'll see lots more reaction, but we should hear Janney savvy, you had to say on being given his shirt, then we'll hear from another talion legend. I am very, very happy. And thank you very much for these. Fisher bay lured the Cher. Hello sound found see. Using branch but. He's. The little Sharma the show me gentlemen. Thank you much. We at least nece I'm not. We reach, I'm not done yet love. I'm outside the doping control. Almost two hours after the finish of the stage because I'm waiting for the shot could be chained Saliba is in the last anti-doping control of this Jiro d'italia something has the number twenty two stage Leeson. So it's not easy for me. But this message is a settling a massive match. A must see for message of love for you. And I hope that richer and Neil can give you this message. And mainly the listeners the to veto is over. But now my all days coming now, the most important question for the end of this Jiro, the for my early days of. Italian bitches or a Greek island. What do you think? We don't have much more time to our coverage from the jeeter. Do. Hey, we're going to wrap wrapping things up. That's what we agreed. Yes. Anything else? Anything else? Hispanic spinning, wonderful talk about our worst often race moment. When the, the Italian Tommy Robinson. Yeah. Think so about that the better we had Lionel with us for that, of course. But yeah, I mean I guess we all look forward with grand to speech into your Wayne gloss rates tomorrow. The only intrigue left in this year's Chiro isn't it? Before we go down. We're going to hear the last little madly of writers. Bashing worst moments from the Jiro. 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They've degrade job, especially when we have problems like that most of the listeners, thank solicitors. Thank you very much indeed, for listening on furlough your feedback, and comments throat at the Jiro, thanks. I'm outta Tara, as well for the music. And, and thank you to you Daniel because you've been here for the whole three weeks. Stoic stoic like. Thank you. Rich. Brian Copeland Bahrain Morita, general manager bologna was great for me. I mean we, we had partners from McLaren in the first grand tool for them to, to see the crowd that came up to, to see Vincenzo Rodman. So I really enjoyed Polonia letters that was great coming up to the mountains for me. So is lovely billion the mountains of spiritual areas. Fishy this part of the dollar marches, his fantastic difficult days have to say, unfortunately, the day where to send Christian quarter with unfortunate news, that he was involved in, in under Las case, so that was really sad for us to lose one writer in that way, it's Mitchelson Scott. Studied very well in the prologue has been going down. Since fortunate lodging OTT's, started really great. I wanted to be t- that we've done. Yeah. Join me from CCC. I think this all JIRA grand juries for me. I'm believable because we have three weeks of the racing. We have good atmosphere. We have flat stages. We have mountain stages. So I really enjoy these stages, where I suffer a lot. So I think it was far days ago. This was divorced momentum in my junior. Yeah I had to empty legs. And I suffer from start to finish. Yeah, I made it. Our first one, but I made his you Richard enough to actually fatal. Well, I have to say that for much, I knew the Dolomites I'm always amazed about that. And especially the call yesterday. We the tuners and song. I heard that about climate that was never in and yeah. Some although and I see that's pretty crazy crazy client, see into Texas. For. The best moment was obviously stage off, Motorola because he's was came up there to three times. We tried to win the stage and that they find anywhere able to make be which was a stressful day. But we make it and the worst was, I think the crash off Moschetti because was young guy, you wish proving that the to be able to be in the game for the for the springs. And then you to that crash. She yes to abandon and for us be PT, because we know much we invest in Eamon much can develop and obviously now was out, so was was the worst moment. There.
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