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Sales Internship Opportunity

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Helen Brach

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50:00 min | 10 months ago

Helen Brach

"A warning this episode features discussions of murder and Gore. Let me be disturbing for some listeners. We advise extreme caution for listeners. Under thirteen unfair brewery seventeenth nineteen seventy seven. Helen Brach checked out of the Mayo Clinic in Rochester Minnesota. Her physician recommended she lose a bit of weight and get more exercise besides sides that she was given a clean bill of health before leaving. Helen visited the gift shop where she bought a soap dish and an elegant jewelry box as the widow of Frank Brock air to the Bronx Candy Fortune. The purchase hardly put a dent in her bank account as the clerk. Raptor gift left. Helen told her. Can you please hurry. My House. Man is waiting. Those were her last words after Helen. Brach exited the gift shop. She was never seen or heard from again. Welcome to gone on a podcast original. I'm molly and I'm Richard. Every other Monday we examined mysterious disappearances and the theories they spawned and from the Amber Room to Michael Rockefeller Picasso paintings to the trust can language the roanoke colony to the lost Russian cosmonauts. If it's gone we're looking for it. You can find every episode of gone and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever wherever you listen to podcasts to stream gone for free on spotify. Just open the APP tap browse and type gone in the search bar at podcast. We are grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast. I and twitter at podcast network and if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening listening. It really does help in this episode. We will explore the disappearance of Helen. Brach the socialite widow of candy magnate Frank Brock. She checked out of the Mayo Clinic in Rochester Minnesota on February nineteenth nineteen seventy seven and was never seen again. There are conflicting theories about the disappearance even among the detectives assigned to Helen. Brock's case the first theory concerns Richard Bailey. Helen's Ellen's lover and the only man ever convicted in her disappearance. This theory suggests that Richard Bailey conspired with his shady associates in the Chicago Chicago Horse Mafia to have Helen murdered. Although he didn't pull the trigger himself it was first proposed by prosecutors attempting to secure a conviction for Bailey. The second theory is the Jack Matt. Lick Helen's Houseman. Murdered Helen himself after learning that she planned to move Out of state and terminated his employment the third theory and our personal favorite combines the most convincing elements of there is one run into these three theories all agree on one thing. Helen Brach was murdered. she was declared missing by the Chicago Police Department in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven and legally dead in nineteen eighty eighty four. But Helen's body was never found and without a body. It's very difficult to solve a crime. There is plenty of information available about the case including sworn affidavits from many of the suspects but each time a person of interest has gone on on record regarding Helen's disappearance it was to cut a deal with prosecutors so they may have made everything up or simply. Were saying what they thought. Prosecutors persecutors wanted to hear the testimony they've delivered is compelling and incriminating but it's nearly impossible to take it at face value you before we get into the confusions swirling around the disappearance though let's examine the woman at the heart of all the rumors in Nineteen Fifty Helen Vorhees was going on thirty nine although she was still beautiful on anti visas with striking head of red hair it seemed like her best years were behind her born to a working class family in rural. Oh Hi oh. Helen was married and divorced by age. Twenty one and dreamed of a life beyond her modest surroundings and to some extent and she found one in Miami Beach Florida where she was a regular at the Indian Creek Country Club. But Helen wasn't the wife of a wealthy businessman mingling with other socialites over canapes and cocktails Helen worked as a coach check girl until one day she caught the eye of frank. Frank Brock the CO owner of EJ Brock and sons. His company was famous for Candy. Corn the BIC witness red and white striped mints that Nobody Nobody Likes and conversation hearts the heart shaped candies embossed with loving freezes. This candy empire had made Frank Brock enormously wealthy. He was also going through a divorce. And despite a twenty two year age difference. A May December romance blossomed in one thousand nine hundred fifty one. Frank took Helen as his third wife. By all accounts their marriage was a happy one and and Helen finally got to experience the life of privilege. She'd always wanted their main. Residence was a sprawling estate in Glenview Illinois. Just doubt side Chicago but they maintained a vacation home in Fort Lauderdale Florida and since they had no children the couple spent their time and considerable a fortune travelling and socialising when Frank Brock died in one thousand. Nine hundred seventy. Helen was only fifty eight and she was the primary beneficiary of her husband's estate. She received roughly twenty million dollars around one hundred. Thirty million in today's dollars dollars which at the time made her one of Chicago's richest and most prominent citizens as an affluent and relatively famous widow. Helen continued to take full advantage of her life of privilege. She spent most of her time shopping decorating her homes and most of all socializing realizing with her friends. She reportedly loved gossip and was known to spend hours talking on the phone. She also took great care of her physical well health. She got most of her exercise in the form of dancing and she didn't seem to drink or use drugs of any kind the rest of her free time she she spent with horses. Helen had always been passionate about animals. Animals she even founded an organization to rehabilitate injured animals and educate the public about animal rights. But before frank died he introduced his wife to the sport of horse racing and her attention was increasingly focused on the equestrian world. Helen loved watching the majestic nick. Animals run and trade. She also adopted and rehabilitated. Several retired racehorses frank in life and death breath was able to give Helen everything she always wanted but he also gave her a passion for a sport that would ultimately connect her with the Chicago Horse Mafia and lead to her death and disappearance. But Frank wasn't the only man and with a big influence on Helen's life after her husband's death. She became increasingly reliant on one particular employee. Jack Matic Metalic Jack. Matlock had originally been employed by Frank. Brock as a Handyman Gardner and driver when Frank Died Helen. Kemp Jack has her house man a role in which he essentially acted as her personal assistant. Matt Lick had a close relationship with Helen but it reportedly wasn't romantic. Some people think he was in love with her but Jack was married with three daughters in fact his entire the family lived rent. Free in suburban house owned by Brock. Although Matt Lick worked in the capacity of an assistant he was known to advise as Helen on financial matters and sometimes they even stayed up reading together with Jack Wearing an old pair of Helen's glasses besides being well known around Chicago as Helen's Houseman. Jack was also known for being cold unfriendly loaner. This may have stemmed from his unhappy childhood. Little is known about his early life but we know his father abandoned the family we also know. He spent almost two years in prison for car. Theft and ends we'll learn Jack matlock maintained connections with the violent Chicago Horse Mafia while it might seem odd that Helen would trust someone like math. Lick one thing we know about Helen is that she was not an excellent judge of character. This became resoundingly evident evident when she started dating Richard Bailey a full fledged member of the notorious Chicago. Horace Mafia if you were wealthy and had had any involvement in the Horse Business in Chicago. You're bound to meet someone from the Chicago. Horace Mafia a loose knit group of gangsters criminals and lowlifes chiefs who either own stables were sold horses in and around Chicago. They were notorious for conducting insurance scams and selling nearly worthless horses to wealthy inexperienced buyers at an exorbitant markup by nineteen seventy-three Frank. Brock had been dead for three three years in despite her vast wealth and active social life. Helen going on sixty two years old longed for an intimate relationship ship. Richard Bailey synced it the moment he laid eyes on her at a dinner party and made his move. At this point Richard Bailey was thriving. He kept an apartment in an exclusive Chicago building called the Lake Point Tower and a horse farm and stables near Helen's estate though he was seventeen years her junior richard bailing was handsome and exceedingly charming. He doted on Helen and made her feel feel special. Interestingly Jack Matlock was the only one in Helens orbit who didn't Trust Bailey but Helen had no reason. Do you think that this handsome young man's intentions were anything less than honorable. The couple traveled dined in fine restaurants. And we're even known to enter and win dance contests on the surface. Their relationship appeared normal even loving but while Bailey may have been a good dancer where he really excelled was in seducing and swindling older women. Richard Bailey was a Gigolo. He was so adept at swindling older women that he created businesses designed for just that purpose a driving leaving school at cosmetics company. Even a clinic designed to help people quit smoking. These businesses helped him meet and seduce this wealthy older women they brought in decent money it was baileys horse stable. However that proved most lucrative he gave riding lessons and boarded horses for clients but it was his practice of buying injured? Lame or less than perfect horses and reselling them to wealthy clients clients at an astronomical markup that made him rich Bailey already had plenty of hustles. He didn't necessarily need to use his relationship. Asian ship with Helen for money but once a con man always a con man in one thousand nine hundred seventy five after dating Helen for two years. Here's he and his brother Sold Helen three race horses for the summer of Ninety eight thousand dollars despite having paid less than eighteen eighteen thousand dollars themselves. The horses were certainly not worth what Helen paid but she didn't seem to notice or care. It appeared that Bailey had found a new victim. Unfortunately he decided to push his luck in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven Bailey convinced Helen to purchase a stable of horses from silence Jane. The most powerful member member of the Horse Mafia and a frequent business associate of Bailey's this time for a considerably larger. Some Helen agreed but something about the deal gave her second thoughts. Helen hired an independent trainer to appraise the deal. Bill after one look at her new horses he told Helen she'd been scammed. Helen was furious serious. She almost certainly confronted Bailey about the swindle but we know she didn't alert the authorities instead. Helen visited the Mayo Clinic in Rochester. Minnesota for routine checkup. Maybe she was planning to alert the authorities when she returned to Chicago and and maybe not either way she never get the chance on February seventeenth. Nineteen and seventy seven. The morning she checked out of the Mayoclinic Helen Brach disappeared and was never seen or heard from I. 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Helen's disappearance and the only excuse he mustered was he figured she had simply gotten tired of him and moved on not convincing argument for someone who by all accounts was still Helen's lever at the time of her disappearance. Bailey had apparently made her appointment at the Mayo Clinic. The couple were even planning planning to move to Florida together but the police could not find evidence to Tie Bailey or any suspects to the crime and and so the case slowly wind cold until more than a decade later in nineteen eighty nine when Richard Bailey tried his his horse con on the wrong woman. The woman who brought Bailey down was Barbara Morris like Helen. She was a wealthy widow. And Richard Bailey showered her with gifts and attention and just as with Helen. He tried to swindle her in a horse deal. In fact this swindle unfolded almost identically. To Helen's Bailey asked Morris to borrow fifty thousand dollars to purchase Chisso horse which she gladly gave him. He promised to pay back the loan. Once he sold the horse at a higher value. But then Bailey got greedy eighty. He tried to convince Morris to purchase a horse for one hundred and fifty thousand dollars which she had no intention of doing until L. Bailey painter back the original fifty thousand as Bailey got pushy Morris became increasingly suspicious. She she contacted a friend who suggested she draw up a contract with baileigh which she presented to him a few nights later over dinner. Bailey erupted. He became furious that she would involve other people in their private affairs and refused to sign. At this point Morris began looking into Bailey's Hanley's passed and she didn't like which she found especially when it came to his relationship with Helen. Brach so Morris. Boris contacted the Police Department from there. It was only a matter of time with the help of the FBI. The police Tap Bailey's phone which provided evidence of his fraudulent Horse Games by nineteen ninety four. They finally had all the needed. They arrested Richard Shoot Bailey. Ross Huby a veterinarian involved with Horse Mafia was also arrested and he threatened to divulge everything everything he knew and Nafta decimate the Horse Mafia and put everyone behind bars during the trial. Prosecutors had no trouble connecting Richard Bailey to several fraudulent horse sales. In fact thirteen other women came forward providing evidence that they had all been swindled but investigators were determined to do more than Brain Down Bailey and his horse mafia associates. Let's they wanted to finally after seventeen years convict someone anyone in connection with Helen Bronx disappearance appearance with the help of testimony from several men connected with the Horse Mafia seeking sentencing leniency. Prosecutors propose that Richard Richard Bailey had conspired with the Horse Mafia to have Helen killed our first theory. Is this very story. Which prosecutors laid out in in court to convict Richard Bailey according to the prosecutors Bailey and his associates kids were afraid that after Helen realized she'd been duped by her lover she might go to authorities after? Helen Confronted Bailey about the hore scheme. He relayed the argument to Silas Jayne the head of the Horse Mafia and his partner. In this con- It was Jane who told Bailey He. He wanted Helen. God but Richard. Bailey wasn't a killer so in a half hearted attempt to solve the Jalan problem. He offered to of silences associates. Joe Plemmons and Ken Hansen. Five thousand dollars each back to kill her. The two men turned Bailey down. The some was absurdly low for such a high profile Job Bailey content figured he could simply tell Silas feed tried and smooth everything over with Helen. But silence didn't go for it instead. He ordered his nephew. Frank Jane Junior to make Helen Disappear at this point. Richard Bailey also also decided to disappear to Florida. This is where the narrative gets a bit. Fuzzy it's not clear whether or not Bailey remained involved with subsequent events up in Chicago prosecutors implied that he did Bailey insisted that he had cut his losses and had nothing to do with what happened next though he heard the details through the Horse Mafia grapevine regardless the narrative. You've is far from over Back in Chicago Frank. Gene Juniors snuck into Helen's Glenview estate with four Horse Mafia associates including Lee Writer. Jane Gang Thug and former COP and Ken Hanson and Joe Plummets Whom Bailey had originally tried to hire to carry out the hit. The small crew beat Helen to the brink of death. Then they burgled her home taking valuable artwork jewelry and millions of dollars in untraceable bearer bonds. Next they stuffed Helen's body in the trunk of Frank Jane's Cadillac and drove route Akin Hanson stable. Once they arrived they opened the trunk. Discover that Helen was still moving. Curt Hansen cans brother handed Joe Plymouth a gun and told him to finish finish her off. They transferred her body to the trunk of Curt Hansen Station Wagon. Then Plemmons Jane. Junior and the Hanson brothers drove across the state line to Gary Indiana straight to a steel factory where the SPALATO brothers their business associates had connections. Then they put Helen's body on a cart and pushed it into the blast furnace where it was turned into liquid steel. And that is why Helen's body was never found. I know what you're thinking and yes. This scenario is completely insane horrifying and involves so many people and moving parts that it seems preposterous. It could have gone unsolved by investigators for for more than a decade. But it's not so preposterous when you consider the people involved the Jane family or Jane Gang as they preferred to be known wielded the most power and influence within the Chicago. Horace Mafia and the head of the James Gang was Silas Jayne silence or cy was born in nineteen o seven in Lake County Illinois a suburban area known for its Horse Chris Forms and stables in nineteen twenty four at age. Seventeen side was convicted of rape after serving a one year sentence. He joins his brothers on the ranch and began his life in the horse business. The James Brothers built their fortune by bringing in boxcars full of wild horses illegally acquired from the West Coast to Chicago selling most to slaughterhouses to be ground into dog food. But let keeping the finest ones to train for writing or selling to wealthy buyers. The value of a horse is a lot like the value of art. It's determined by how how much someone will pay. Which is why the industry attracts so many criminals and conman? If you can manipulate someone into trusting you a Horse's value value is exactly what you say. It is and the Jane Gang where master manipulators. Although their horse business was thriving silas and his brother George were known to have an extremely contentious relationship by nineteen sixty. Three things had gotten so bad that they could no longer tolerate each other and the two opened up rival stables across town. Unfortunately it didn't solve their problems uh-huh and finally in Nineteen Seventy George. Jane was killed at home while playing cards with his family. The men arrested for killing ailing. George testified that cy had hired them one even suggested that cy wanted George kidnapped so he could finish off the job himself either either way. Cy was convicted of conspiracy to commit murder and sentenced to prison. It was from his prison cell that he allegedly ordered his nephew. Frank Jane Junior to make Helen Brach disappear according to investigators this bilateral brothers whose associates associates ran the steel factory where Helen's body was supposedly melted where members of the Horse Mafia and associates of the gene gang. They were even more violent than the James they were experts at killing people and making them disappear. Their preferred method was turning bodies into liquid would steal the Hanson brothers and Joe Plemmons also part of the crew that reportedly killed old Helen. Brach were part of the Chicago. Horace Mafia to they were not as wealthy or a notorious but they were just as violent. Ken Enhancing would later be convicted of the nineteen fifty five rape and murder of three boys Lee writer was a cop gone rogue who now worked as a henchman and bodyguard for the Jane Gang compared to these people. Richard Bailey is practically a gentleman but prosecutors were determined into pin the entire crime on him perhaps because he was the man they had on trial they claimed he orchestrated the horror show. Well well they never argued that he pulled the trigger on Helen. They accused him of conspiracy to commit murder the fact that their argument was based on testimony provided by horse. MAFIOSOS seeking light sentences for their own crimes was a mark against the theory as as we discussed before but it was a strong enough case. That Bailey's lawyer convinced his client to plead guilty to fraud charges. Doing so would mean his case bypassed jury trial and by extension the possibility of life in prison by avoiding jury trial however ever Bailey also gave prosecutors a lower threshold for conviction in a jury trial prosecutors would have had to prove. Bailey's these guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in a sentencing hearing prosecutors. Only had to demonstrate that Bailey had conspired to kill brock by a preponderance of evidence preponderance of evidence meaning. It was more likely than not that he was guilty. And that's exactly what they prove. The judge sentenced Richard Bailey to thirty years behind bars. I but there are a few issues with blaming the entire crime on Bailey for one thing. Prosecutors persecutors argued that Bailey hired. Helen's Hitman when it was supposedly Silas Jayne who successfully recruited them also so orchestrating. A murder seems like the work of a violent person but unlike the other people involved in the sordid affair. That doesn't fit Bailey's character. He had no history of violence and Helen was worth a whole lot more to him alive then dead plus. There's no no indication that he was the recipient of the spoils stolen from Helen's home specifically the millions of dollars in bearer bonds. Was it possible all that prosecutors in their hunger to convict someone for Killing Ellen. Brock Pressured Horse mafiosos into spinning the story they wanted hit to hear Silas Jayne was already in jail for his other crimes after all so they couldn't hope to pin it on him that idea is supported accorded by the fact that there's another major hole in this story prosecutors presented namely for the plan to succeed. Jack Matt Looks Participation Haitian would have been essential. Jack Madly knew everything about Helen from her schedule to where she kept her valuables and in this scenario real. He doesn't show up at all neither as a help or a hindrance to the murders. Our next theory addresses. Does that problem coming up. We'll examine very different theory about Helen. Brock's disappearance one that focuses on Jack metalic now back to the story on February seventeenth. Nineteen seventy seven. Helen Brach checked out of the Mayo Clinic in Rochester Minnesota and it was never seen or heard from again and while Richard Bailey. Helen's lover at the time was eventually convicted in her disappearance appearance. There were some issues with the evidence. Used to convict him. which brings us to our second theory about Helen's disappearance Jack Matlock her house? Man Killer the evidence for the theory emerged slowly in the years following Bailey's conviction and it was never officially brought to trial by investigators. Nevertheless it's the most credible theory. According to most experts who have reviewed the case and even according to several members of the Chicago Horse Mafia among the supporters of this theory are Ross Huegill the veterinarian who testified at Belli's trial and was subsequently imprisoned for his own illegal activities several detectives who interviewed Matt Lick and and James Wasilla junior and investigative reporter who wrote a detailed book about Helen's disappearance based on hours of interviews. The theory theory goes as follows on February seventeenth. Nineteen seventy seven the weekend. How in return from the Mayo Clinic to Chicago? Helen told mathematics she was moving to Florida with Bailey and would no longer be requiring his services. Furious Matt Lick Snapped Killed Helen and buried her body somewhere outside a small farm. An animal sanctuary that Helen owned in Ohio. Not Far. From her birthplace there is more than a preponderance preponderance of evidence to suggest. This might be exactly what happened. What makes this theory so compelling to investigators is madly clear your motive? Dan The fact that everything he told authorities about his final weekend with Helen turned out to be ally. Matt Link. Cataldi police that Helen flew from the Mayo Clinic in Rochester Minnesota to O'hare airport in Chicago where he picked her up that weekend. Helen stayed at the Chicago Estate With Matt Leg. During which time she kept to herself refusing to even speak on the telephone then he dropped her off at O'hare at seven. AM on Monday for a flight to Florida. where she planned to move with? Richard Bailey. Really police had no trouble finding holes in madly story. I when Helen left the Mayo Clinic gift shop the morning of February seventeenth. She told the clerk. My house man is waiting meaning. Matt Lick must've picked her up in Minnesota and not from O'hare as he claimed he was thus thus the last person to see her alive. Matlock is correct about Helen. Not Speaking on the telephone but it's doubtful. Oh she did that by choice. Several calls came in but Matt Lake always answered the phone and told callers that Helen was unavailable feelable. This is incredibly suspicious because Helen reportedly loved speaking on the phone and if she were at home for an entire tire weekend especially a weekend before moving to a new state. It's likely she would have been on the phone constantly. Telling everyone her plans and saying in goodbye. And as for Madly Driving Helen to O'hare first thing Monday morning for her flight to Florida. Helen never flew in the morning wing and she wasn't even going to Florida in the first place in her last known correspondence. She had written to a friend from the Mayo Clinic that she was was not planning to go to Florida for quite some time because she needed to get her affairs in order. Matlock was also having financial problems problems at the time of Helen's disappearance. He claims he revealed this to hell in over the weekend. And she took pity on him and wrote several checks totaling around thirteen thousand dollars. But after Helen's death it was discovered that matlock had forged her signature. The root of Matt Lakes financial problems were gambling debts. He owed to the spill latrobe brothers. You'll remember them as the mafia gangsters who disposed of bodies by turning them into liquid steel in other words he had some dangerous connections. Joyce Novak Matlock's ex-wife also testified in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven. That Matt Lick had his own violent history. She told detectives that Matlock had a violent Alan Temper and beat her several times once until she lost consciousness. So we know Matt Lick had a hair trigger temper and and was capable of violence. She also detailed their money woes and how she had been forced to use checks instead of cash to keep track of expenses down to the a penny but after Helen Brock's death Joyce Claims Matlin showered her with hundred dollar bills. She also claimed that Matt Lick never stayed overnight in one of Helen's houses when she was in town but he happened to on the weekend. Helen disappeared. Furthermore Joyce asserted that matic and Bailey had started speaking on the phone frequently in the weeks before Helen's disappearance often four hours at a time. This isn't that unusual until you consider that the two of them had never spoken on the phone. Before after Helen's death investigators also found toll receipts from the weekend of Helen's disappearance between Helen's stayed outside and she cargo and her farm in Ohio. Jack Matlock had submitted them to Helen's estate for reimbursement but there's more donald nor groundskeeper testified that on the weekend of Helen's disappearance he stopped by the broncos state to give Matt Flick an estimate for some tree work nor walked around the back of the house to an open door where he saw map lick with another man and a teenage girl in an oversized sized dress and ill-fitting red wig not unlike the one Helen had taken to wearing before disappearance. If this is true it would explain why. And how Mamik lied about dropping Helen off at O'hare airport he may have gone to the airport but clearly it wasn't with Helen. It was someone made to look like her nor also revealed that he knocked for several minutes at Helen's door and was ignored ord even though he was no more than twenty feet away from matic and the others assembled inside then when he turned to leave matlock walked up behind him and Said said there's something very important going on in the house right now I will call you later. Matlin called him on February twentieth and told him I'm to return to the House the following Monday then on Monday Matlin gave nor a check for nine hundred fifty dollars for the tree trimming coming work and a fifty dollar tip when Nora asked why he was receiving a post dated cheque for work he hadn't completed and hip Matt Lick lost. His temper screamed threatened him and urged him not to speak to authorities. This theory is extremely compelling for one thing there are multiple witnesses to matt lakes devious behavior he also had a history of violence and emotive he. He was in dire financial straits and stood to personally benefit from Helen's death however matlock was not known to be a criminal mastermind mastermind in fact it seems totally. Implausible that Matlin could have orchestrated and carried out the murder alone specifically that he was able to kill Helen and dispose of the body without leaving any incriminating evidence after all. This is the same Jack. Matic who couldn't even forge George Helen's checks without getting caught as for the toll receipts while it's clear. That Matt Link drove to the Form Ohio. It could have been for a number number of reasons including purging the house of any valuables so while there's a great deal of evidence to suggest madly killed Helen himself off. It just doesn't seem like he was capable of such a task he would have needed the help of professionals. Our third theory sorry proposes. He got jest that the theory. I came to light in two thousand two when detectives received a call completely out of the blue from Joseph Plemmons Plemmons was the con artist and Jane Gang Associate who was supposedly present on the night. Helen was killed according to theory. One by two thousand two plemmons was somehow still in the horse. Business and living a quiet life in Pennsylvania but he was wracked with guilt and couldn't go on until he revealed the truth about what really happened to Helen. That's why he called old detectives and unburdened himself of a secret. He'd been keeping since nineteen seventy seven his testimony combined the most compelling elements elements of the previous two theories. We've discussed this is what he claimed. The first part of the Bailey theory of the disappearance Prince was true. Bailey did shop around for an assassin to takeout Helen Brach but when his price proved too low he flint Florida. In the meantime Matt Lick arranged a deal with the jeans and the pilot tros madly would pick helen up from the Mayo Clinic and drive her back back to Chicago while they burgled her house taking her valuable jewelry art and millions in bearer bonds. Not only with the satisfy the gambling debts matlock owed them it would make them all very rich Lee writer. The Jane Gang Bodyguard met Matt Lick upon his return to Chicago with Helen. The two men beat Helen nearly to death stuffed her in the trunk of a car and drove to Ken Hansen stable. When they opened the trunk and discovered she was still alive? Hansen told Frank Jane to finish her off. Jane refused so Hanson tossed the gun to plemmons women's who did as he was told then certain she was dead. They put her in the back of Curt Hansen station wagon and drove her to the steel mill in Gary Indiana where Helen's body was dumped into the furnace and turned into liquid steel. Well the details of Helen's murder murder and disappearance in this theory are remarkably similar to the details. Posited in the first theory this explains Matlock's role which would've been essential in carrying out. The plan ended answers every question about motive murder and disappearance investigators. There's shared this opinion. They considered clements testimony so credible that they followed up on everything he said. And everything checked out from plumbers recollection of the cars used to the location and type of steel plant despite this however no new charges were brought against the suspects prosecutors. Unlike the investigators didn't find clemens credible they refused to retry the case after all this was the same Joseph Clemens who ratted out Richard Bailey in order to receive. We have a reduced sentence. But when he did so he wasn't incorrect. Richard Bailey did conspire to have helen murdered. But it seems that plans felt guilty about pinning the entire affair on Bailey he reaffirmed. That Bailey had nothing to do with the actual murder. You're also in the years. Since the nineteen seventy seven crime plemmons had provided information linking his former associate. Ken Hansen to the rape and murder of three boys. He'd proven that he had an active conscience in fact clemens even confessed to his own role in Helen's death naturally with the caveat that he would be immune from prosecution of all the theories we've examined relating to Helen Brock's walks murder. His story is the most plausible. The first theory was based on biased testimony and put an unsupported emphasis on Richard Bailey's role in the killing. The Matt Lick Theory Presents. The clearest motive but gives too much credit to Jack Matt licks intellect and skills as the criminal the third theory. Implicating Matt Lick Bailey and the Chicago horse. Mafia is by far the strongest only by working together. Gather and coordinating information. Could these criminals have made helen disappear forever but we may never know for sure what happened to hell. In Brock Candy heiress her disappearance remains fraught with conflicting testimony and the lack of a smoking gun. Or even to this day. Abbadi unlike the confusion. That still shrouds or disappearance. Helen Brock's legacy is a simple clear. One of Love Caring and philanthropy today the Helen Brach Foundation continues. He knew her campaign to promote the welfare of animals and children and all of Chicago remembers her. As the light-hearted dancing candy widow thanks again for tuning into gone. We'll be back in two weeks with another episode. You can find more episodes of gone and all all other podcast originals for free on spotify not only to spotify already. Have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy. See for you to enjoy all of your favorite park has originals like gone for free from your phone. Desktop or smart speaker to stream gone on spotify by just open the APP tap browse and type gun in the search bar and don't forget to follow us on facebook and instagram. At podcast and twitter at podcast network will see next time. Just because it's gone doesn't mean it can't be found gone gone was created by Max Cutler and is a park has studios original executive producers include Max and Ron Cutler sound designed signed by Brian Golub with production assistance by Ron Shapiro Carly Madden Freddie Beckley and Paul Waller. This episode of Gone was written by Tony Goodman with writing assistance by drew coal and stars Molly Brandenburg and Richard Rosner. They don't forget our most loyal companions are now. The subject of a fantastic stick park has to original called dog tales every Monday docked tails shares inspirational true stories of courage service and and unwavering sacrifice by our four legged. Canine friends search for dog tales in the spotify APP. And listen free today.

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Marlon Brando's luxury resort in French Polynesia, supporting research and conservation

The Science Show

15:25 min | 1 year ago

Marlon Brando's luxury resort in French Polynesia, supporting research and conservation

"With many traditional sources of research funding, increasingly squeezed, scientists are looking for other ways to fuel their research, including philanthropy and support from industry on the tiny atoll of Teti Aurora in French Polynesia, a model put in place by the ACTA Mullen Brando aims to use a luxury resort to support research conservation and education, and the goes to do all of this with minimal environmental impact on an isolated tropical island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. This week on off track on our in. You can hear an episode of ABC sciences special series the chase that looks at some of the research projects underway on Titi Aurora using the pristine islands in this atoll as living laboratories while I was visiting Teti Aurora for that story. I heard a little more about how the resorts support science and preservation. About sixty kilometers from mainland. Ta Hiti lies the Atto of Teti Aurora. A string of tiny islands in circling a clear lagoon on the main island on tahi, I'm meeting. Frank Murphy, the executive director of the titty rose society. We're at the not for profits headquarters, a small bungalow style EKO station. There's a black and white picture of Marlon Brando on the wall because the film star owned this island, and he had big plans for it. Yeah. Of course. Well, we have to have to Marlin watching over what we're doing the original idea for him was to have scientists onto Chiro working and also teaching the local population about what's going on ROY. And also being there for the guests who who come from around the world. So the spirit of Marlin is is here in a large way. Now, there's rustling leaves all around us because the station. Has set amongst palm trees coconut trees here as well. And one of the research teams that staying here, I think actually two of them are about to head off for a day's work. That's right. So we host researchers from all over the world doing all kinds of different projects. And in some cases, we assist them in the field. Several guides wearing matching blue Teti auroras society t-shirts preparing to head out with the visiting researches. They've supported a range of different projects in recent years. Visiting scientists from the university of California Berkeley, the university of Hawaii the university of Oakland as well as local French Polynesian teams, all share bunk beds in a few small rooms, and they give an access to the not for profits labs boats, and other resources, the journalist gets to stay here at the EKO station to the research groups that have come through your quite varied few long term projects that we've been hosting are an ocean acidification project from university of Washington, lots of work on sharks here. It's a place that sharks are breeding. We've had a long term project on the conservation of sea turtles done by a local nonprofit, we have a mosquito relegation. Program has been going on for couple years, and then maybe our highest priority program at the moment. Is habitat restoration projects. We've been given the job of of managing and conserving this amazing island mazing atoll two zero. Which is already in very good shape ecologically, but like most Pacific islands and many other places. It has invasive species and invasive species are very very effective on small islands. And there's a lot of native wildlife to protect a well preserved lagoon giant land crabs and nesting seabirds. You can occasionally here calling across the atoll. According to Frank Murphy, the research and conservation work underway. Here is what Marlon Brando wanted to see happening on Titi Aurora, moral Brando came to eighty in the early sixties to film, the movie the mutiny on the bounty. Out of this ship him nothing. You've given us come on by. And so he was TD quite a long time over a year. And during that time he heard about oh, and he had somebody bring him out by fishing boat to see it was a rough rough passage and he saw the island, and he just fell in love with it. He was able to get the whole island. He he got permission from the French government to buy it, which was unusual for American to be able to buy property like that here is planned for the island was to have a place where tourists came both luxury tourists and not luxury, and they paid to be here. And that funding was used to support scientific research and education programs, Marlon Brando. Also wanted this resort to operate sustainably. But combining luxury research and sustainability was a toll order, especially given Ted Hierro is extreme isolation. He's early attempts went hugely successful. So brand new. Pothead with Richard Bailey. The CEO of the resort company Pacific beach karma to come up with a plan. I think Marlin discovered all the problems that our planet faces today, many of them by purchasing this island on trying and failing to do something sustainable here. And we met in nineteen ninety nine undiscussed models that would be both sustainable and profitable. A decade after Brando died. Bailey opened the brand new resort on the island. It's a popular luxury distance education for Hollywood a listers. And celebrities from Leonardo Di Caprio, and Johnny Depp to Barack Obama and various royals from around the globe, a small cut of the very large fee. They pay to come. Here goes to the Tate hero society. That was something we both realized would be critical to the success of our model from the outset because tourism and the environment live in a very symbiotic relationship by that. I mean, simply that visitors are interested in coming to a place that is not well preserved that is perhaps true in a place like this a private island with minimal government intervention projecting. Too high profile guests that it's an unspoiled tropical paradise. So luxury that fuels research conservation and education programs, but how exactly can a remote resort like this fulfill Brando's final criteria of operating sustainably, I joined Boris kopech sustainable development coordinator at the brand for a tour of the resort facilities and how best to get around a luxury island resort. Well, of course, the brand has a fleet of small electric golf buggies. Fa- guests and stuff. Even though I'm staying at the echo station, not the resort. I joined Boris for a spin on one. Can you tell me about the island? What does it look like what's the trees? Are we saying so all the tree here all of them almost our and we have these 'Iran tree, which I to Tyson. I took it's been warrior any to really really strong woods, which has been used for the construction of all the villas here all the material we're using we're let local ecological and with low impact on the environment. And so most of the allies have been built with this local woods. Because of its largely unobtrusive design using many, locally sourced materials. The result was given the highest rating in the leadership in energy and environmental design set of occasion, the results bungalows and villas spas and hidden among the trees, though, the accompanying stuff facilities are a little more obvious often demand Ables or repurpose shipping containers as we continue the buggy tour, we drive past the small private runway on the island alongside it a rows and rows of solid panels. We have three thousand seven hundred and fifty four solar panels, which provide us seventy percents of the literacy we need here on site. The rest of energy come from generators. We are provided with co pro cook pro is cooking oil the coconut oil is a local production. So here we have lots of islands, which has a lot of cooking tree. And then. It would be sustainable resources because coconut tree produce one hundred fifty to two hundred coconuts each year for fifty years. The Gulf buggy went driving in is also charged using this locally generated electricity. So come navigating the island of on a tie. He doesn't take long. It's Bailey kilometer across at its longest point next destination. Looks like a concrete bunker inside down a flight of stairs is the island's twelve million dollar swag unit. Swag stands for seawater air conditioning. A pipe drops deep into the ocean. Just offshore brings up cold water from the depths this cool, water chills a separate closed fresh water loop of piping around the island via a heat exchange. This is then used by the island's air conditioning units. Which is usually a lodge source of energy use in the tropics every island infringement in Asia volcanic alien, and so once you pass the reef you reach the death of the ocean really quickly. And even if the water can be up to thirty degrees at the surface. When you get the death. That will be folded researchers. So by reaching nine hundred thirty metres deep we reach this four degrees water that's come up to this or face naturally. The same concept when you throw into your glass, what goes up to this rope. That's exactly the same here. So once the water arrives inside the building at about five six years maximum and after the heat exchange, both what earth the water from the ocean and the water from close loop. Go back in each direction at about seven degrees. So we reject the water in the ocean the perfect dipped to know impacted on the ocean. And then the water seven degrees in fresh water. Loop will be going into all our station. Costly high-tech solutions like this can make economic sense in very remote parts of the world where it's often equally expensive to connect to mainland power grids or to run diesel generators surely having celebrity guests willing to pay higher rates helps as well private investment in new technologies. Like, this might also pave the way for similar future developments in islands NIA deep ocean. Trenches next Boris drives us poss-, the island's water treatment plant which uses reverse osmosis to turn sea water into drinking water nearby separate tanks of rain water and treated gray water for other uses including agriculture. Now, we're driving through what I think is the garden. So I'm seeing Popo papaya next to us. What else can we say? Yes. So actually, we have of course, more tropical plan, but we also producing tomatoes converse to Kinney act plans piece and just to give you an idea we have been producing more than one tonne of cucumbers in the beginning of the year. So it's working for that we have threats here. That's the hermit crab. Actually, they come by nights. And they come in all our eggplants and converse. So we have to find like natural shelter again, the Aermacchi crowd and even get some flowers growing here on the garden. That's a place where our bees can get food from in all the tour. We have seventy five's. Jobs. Overall. It is an impressive setup that allows the resort to run a more environmentally friendly operation. There is still some reliance on the mainland though, a recycling and eco digestive plant helps reduce waste on Titi Aurora. But there's a ferry across Tata Hiti full waste processing and to pick up the extra luxury supplies for the Brando's guests Beckett the resort. I asked Richard Bailey. Whether this push to operate sustainably was simply a marketing strategy, we really believe in the business case of sustainability, we practice it most visitors don't really understand what sustainability is if we try to talk about it as a decision making factor in visiting that your for example, generally people's eyes glass over the curtain comes down and they start to snore. But when our guests arrive, and they see the beauty of this place when they understand how. Portent is to preserve it. Then it all becomes clear either way. Frank Murphy from the titty, aroma society says the model has been working to preserve the island to educate. Influential people about the ecosystem and to support research. You gotta have funding to do this sort of stuff and the idea to support scientific research and conservation and education programs was really important, and we wouldn't be here without that. And we've always said that it would be wonderful to be able to export this model to other places, and maybe not just with tourism. And it works really well tourism. But basically, you know for profit businesses, supporting nonprofit working with community owners and coming together to preserve. Do you think Marlon Brando? We'll be proud of what you guys have been able to achieve you. I hope he would probably shutting up there chuckling and Chang, you really did that I can't believe you're actually did that I was just joking when I said you should. No, I think I like to think that we became friends after so many years of talking about this place, and I can tell you that he really wanted the best for this island, and I'm pleased with the outcome. And I do believe that he would be proud. Yes. You can hear more about some of the research projects underway in Titi Aurora on the third episode of the chase on RN's off track. Sunday at one pm or anytime via the ABC listen app and make sure to check out all four episodes in the series.

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BrainStuff Classics: How Did Boston and New York's Accents Develop?

BrainStuff

05:48 min | 2 weeks ago

BrainStuff Classics: How Did Boston and New York's Accents Develop?

"Today's episode is brought to you by Mazda back in the before times before cove nineteen Mazda invited a few of us. I heart podcasters out to drive there. Do See X. Thirty from Palm Springs to San Diego and trip encapsulates what I miss about traveling and being on an unfamiliar road feeling the grip of the curves enjoying the world is you only can from a car with the windows down in the music up their whole lineup of. Is made to be agile in sippy on city streets or winding mountain roads but roomy enough to bring long whatever you need for either or both their sleek outside and in designed to reduce distraction and give you the control and confidence to really enjoy the drive for more information on Mazda C UV lineup including the first ever see X. Thirty go to Mazda USA dot com slash IHEART and don't forget to explore their strongest finance options. Welcome to brainstorm a production of iheartradio. Harebrained. Stuff Lauren both bomb here with a classic episode from our erstwhile host. Christian Sager. The team around the currently at Home Office is continually fascinated by accents and how they work. I'm partially because we say things into microphones for a living, but the way the accents develop over time is so weird and cool. In this episode, Christian takes a look at how two distinct American accents came to be. Brain stuff Christian Sager here warm up your vocal chords because today we're diving into the history of Boston and New York accents. Now, I'm from the Boston area originally in tourists love to ask if they can park the car in Harvard Yard or rather pack the car in. Have it yet this question illustrates the stereotypical Boston accent whose origins date back to the. Seventeenth Century being towns famous dialect is a melting pot bearing the influence of quakers, puritans and Algan Indians alike. But by far the Boston accents best known quirk is the tendency to drop the R sound. This is exchanged for an APP turning beer into via until recently, historians attributed the custom to good old Anglo affiliate supposedly, Massachusetts colonists were trying to emulate the highbrow. Of England's elite who always made a point to ditch their ours however, this explanation might have it backwards the drop our habit I showed up in southeastern England where it wasn't originally seen as prestigious in twenty twelve linguist Richard Bailey used phonetically written records to show that the trend later became popular in Pre Revolutionary Boston, and yet according to his research. Britain's well off wouldn't embrace the practice until the mid eighteen hundreds. So in other words, it's possible that English socialites were copying. Boston and not vice versa. Oh and for what it's worth Harvard Yard has very strict parking policies. So you might want to leave your vehicle elsewhere. I'm just telling you that as was the case in Boston though the first English speakers to arrive in the New York region came from the south of England at some point in the eighteenth century New Yorkers started dropping their ours even the ones originally from the north of England picked up the. Habit. This explains why Hyde Park's Franklin Delano Roosevelt said FIA instead of fear during the biggest address, his life, the missing are phenomena began to die down after World War Two but other norms still persist say long guyland instead of Long Island and you'll be pegged for native some believe this little eccentricity could be the product of Yiddish or Italian influence. However, other linguists aren't convinced most experts agree that the New York accents. Characteristics are British in origin. What's debatable is the exact degree to which any non english-language affected any specific word pronunciations or sentence structures as such we may never know where coffee or twitter towards. St came from. This episode was written by Marc Mancini and produced by Tristan McNeil and Tyler Clang for more on this and lots of other distinct topics. visit how stuff works dot com green stuff is productive iheartradio four more podcasts. iheartradio was the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Today's episode is brought to you by Mazda back in the before times before cove nineteen Mazda invited a few of us, Iheart podcasters out to drive there do see X. Thirty from Palm Springs to San Diego. 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A Bowl of Soul A Mixed Stew of Soul Music Broadcast - 08-16-2019

A Bowl of Soul A Mixed Stew of Soul Music

1:01:18 hr | 1 year ago

A Bowl of Soul A Mixed Stew of Soul Music Broadcast - 08-16-2019

"Don't miss old babies saturday steel. It's a big one all jeans or a huge fifty percent off. That's right all jeans plus. Get graphic tees for the family for just five bucks saturday saturday. Only at old navy and old navy dot com valid seventeen genes excludes in store clearance select you reach the right place. A destination called soul. It's the one x you know what's next. It's a bowl of soul soul mix to of soul music. This is your man jay most in your listening to soul music at its. It's best a bowl of soul mixed of soul music. <hes> i wow it can also uh aw appear to aww <music> <music> baby girl <music> along mm-hmm aw <music> aw <music> mm-hmm and this is of of soul mix extensive so music on this abol of seoul for this friday. We're playing all new hot music that just came out from some of the best indie r._m._b. Southern soul you name it labels bulls that are out here in the world here on a bola soul we celebrate zo with his new single featuring devon morrison talking about smiling y'all definitely got to check that out that signal just came out recently and you know so this single from zoll which features not only devon morrison but common rogers on the four and madison jason mcferrin and font on neither one of us and it's a whole compilation of soul music including karma rogers and everett rogerson on love love up so definitely support support so on his album call four front and single which you just heard with devon morrison then call smile and this is a bowl of soul mixed his so music glad to be back you know professor t love has been jamming jamming with her rock and roll ban and doing her thing and playing gigs and now we got a manager and stuff but you can't neglect y'all out there 'cause 'cause. I know that you guys really love to hear some classic soul and new r._&_b. In on this show is dedicated to new r._&_b. Rhumba music coming up nex. We got a nice single called the tom remix of this song by live different schilling ford talking about gracious and this is a bowl of soul. Hi my name is andy stokes and you listen to a bowl of soap a makes two of so busy and and uh <music> <music> they did and uh-huh search taste and break in his school <music> did and yeah yeah uh-huh <music> yeah and giving you some new army baby got that loose ends groove on it. This was released by i song writer leads song based songwriter richard bailey on lazy robot records and you know this song gracious this which was written by richard bailey features the vocals of none other than lipford schilling furred who is well noted for his work with many established established producers from joey negro to the awful dodger featuring on the garage anthem. Please don't turn me on born producer. Tom faulk took this single a remixed it and you know put together and presented it to richard bailey and and this is what the outcome tom fox remix of gracious and it has that nostalgic flavor you know got that loosens thing because that was my back in the days from the united kingdom loosens and sold his soul you know but definitely giving it a twenty first century vibe on it so make show you support richard bailey lazy bought lazy robot records definitely get this single featuring live for showing you can purchase single on track source juno and bang camp and make sure you check it out here here want a bowl of soul premiering gracious coming up nex got some new independent arm be this single came highly recommended recommended from seoul tracks dot com this single chocolate child for miss the philip brandon and you know what this is as a bowl of so this is john york and you're listening to a bowl of soul with jerry chaplain branch and says little chocolate. It's put uh string. Try spine of what they say. <music> chuck rich. You're you're the no tie chocolate chocolate awards chai. Uh has been mission as you when you are a chocolate. The aw chuck with the beauty of this career is only been fired the soul the town with your time is early choices to when did it it. Hey the child shopped chuck chuck todd. I chart jack they do about a soul with take your time sis joy the shah aw shoot in their own the song is very fan or very positive an uplifting that is chocolate child from mr philip brandon in you know this song was co written with a legendary songwriter producer press thing glass and <hes> it is timely and sometime list delivering a view of youth that happily counters the negative narratives pushed by much of modern media as brandon phillips tells us this song is very special to him not only because it was his father's favorite song but also because it speaks thanks to the greatness and unlimited potential of our youth from decidedly personal perspective make sure you support mr philip brandin and you support this single chocolate child or which you can purchase on amazon dot com make sure you support philip brandon in regards to the single i think is very beautiful and profound single and yes it comes off of the album call philip brandon the story begins and you know definitely support our independent rb artists and you know philip brandon he sings jazz has and he also sings r&b and funk so definitely support mr philip brandon and definitely support this single chocolate child and coming up next got some new music from sicily no room for fair and this is a bowl <music> of soul. Hi this is bernadette cooper from the climax and you're listening to a polo song a mixed to me sick and slap me because i know i'm looking at the two of us <music> from the plan. Ah creed gotta in kabul. Hunt has yet to be ever peasley a cannot see and so the question also also cantonese <music> off <music> <music> <music> findings of law yeah we he's just out of a <music> quest sir fleas. It's awesome uh-huh <music> <music> number <music> surrogate heart heart out right sicily from bray. Y'all talking about no room for fair and i know when you determine you singing your heart out. Yes there is no room for fear. Make sure you support ms sicily bombay and she has her own website called sicily music c. e. c. i. l. y. Music dot com and she has numerous albums. This single comes off of the album called sicily the awakening part one. Make sure you purchase this album on cd baby. I choose band camp and she has some upcoming shows. She has a show coming up in washington dc on on august twenty first in new york an in rochester she will be there on august twenty four in falls church virginia. She will be verse six and in washington d._c. Again she'll be there september ninth and you know this song as beautiful. This is this is this is new independent music and you know she is from washington dc and she's a washington d._c. Based vocalist and songwriter and her current album songs of love of freedom was named best snooze soul on band camp by the band camp editorial team who described project is stirring lead timeless and modern. Her sound is is soothing. It's rich you know and like i said i'm very enlighten about the direction of independent rb jazz soul funk long hip hop you name it. Her sound is as soothing as it is. Riches musically mature and rooted in a deep appreciation for mid-century every soul and jazz nineties rb and reimagined folk music and her fresh face lyrics bully portray the hart doc young sicily has four and the wisdom of love and earned and freedom gained over a life of being misunderstood and told she was before all her time on mature beyond her years definitely check out miss sicily bombay. She's opened for award winning. Jazz has and soul artist gregory porter and jose james rb stars. Johnny gill kenny lattimore l. varner folk artists becca steve in on an alternative soul pioneer bilbao. Please support sicily bombay by going to sicily louis c. l. y. Music dot com and this is a bowl of soul and coming up next some more new music from. I'm jay time machine talking about celebrate your body and this is a bowl of soul. Hey this is chris jasper of the icy brothers and jasper nicely and you're listening to a bowl of soul mixed to of soul music you on this <music> <music> the color of dan stay down cater avenue. Eh owned the poem. You ain't noble reduce adduce off from to regret. You should be paid laid out by you so you're it's sake wasn't. It was evidently absolutely wolf <music>. Everybody was you the giving you some new music club james days time machine featuring the vocals of the legendary very sandra saint victor and backing vocals from tim owens in one of one of many artists that i've played here on a bolles also featuring the vocals of miss karen bernard say oh this is on your make sure you support james days days time machine and sandra saint victis new single call celebrate you can get that single on amazon dot com and definitely they we are on fire and you need to know why you need to listen to a bowl of soul music from the films took a little bit of the sixty sixty sixty thrown in with several seventy seventy seventy mix well with the with the eighty bring to boil the ninety tonight and just a judge of the future future. That's our recipe for a bold soul soul into a place where not big myself and <music> <music> <music> take me and baby <music> doc <music> <music> the league baby <music> it eleven yeah in giving you some new music. This guy is no stranger brian andrew wilson giving you do a soulful smooth jazz track call. Only you and you know the song begins with a bright trumpet before expanding into amidst temple that sounds just right on a sunny summer afternoon with a little bit of that kenny lattimore feel to it who you know brian brian andrew wilson i hit national attention as a child singer when he was produced by such gospel ledges as kirk franklin walter hawkins walk ins and john p kee and he was made the seamless tricky made the seamless transition to full grown star hitting the billboard war charts five times with his smooth alluring ten of voice on such songs as turning away and overflow we celebrate mr brian ryan andrew wilson here on abol solar and make sure you purchase his single new independent music from mr brian and andrew wilson you must go to amazon dot com and make sure you purchase this single. 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Snake Oilers 10 part 1: Richard Bejtlich talks Zeek plus pitches from Respond Software and PATH Networks

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Snake Oilers 10 part 1: Richard Bejtlich talks Zeek plus pitches from Respond Software and PATH Networks

"Hi everyone and welcome to this is snake oil edition of the risky business podcast. My Name's Patrick Bribe. This isn't the weekly news show that we publish here at Risky Biz. This is something else I wholly sponsored podcast that features vendors talking talking about the tech. Everyone who appears in these snake oil is podcasts paid to be here. If you looking for the weekly show just scroll back one episode starred in your podcast Playa up at this point I kind of want to break protocol a little and talk about Al process importing these snake oil is podcasts together opt these days risky Biz gets a lot of inbound inquiries from vendors who are chasing sponsorship packages we have over six hundred security vandals. NFC Ram database and most of them are there because they inquired about sponsoring they reached out to us but in the end we wind up doing business with about twenty to twenty eighty five vendors in any given calendar year so this is my way of saying we can't just accept any sponsor who comes along now. Does this mean that we endorse awesome any of the vendors we featuring. They sponsored segments no it doesn't I mean I'm not practitioner. I cannot tell you these guys fantastic guaranteed tade but we generally select vendors four snake oil is who we think doing interesting things vendors who we think will give us an interesting and relevant conversation for audience about what they're doing and why and that's really what these podcasts are about. That's the process explainer out of the way so let me tell you about what's going to be in this edition. Shen of snake oil is in this podcast. You're going to hear from three vendors. I will hear from industry. Luminary Richard Bailey who is working currently with call call offer products based on Zeke which used to be known as Bro but yeah that that's a super cool chat with Richard and I let it run long because is it's Richard Bite Lick come on right so that one actually runs a little bit longer than the interviews in in oil is normally do then we're going to hear from Marshall Web from path networks. It's and that's also a really great interview that one Masha will be telling us about Abe an xt pay to technologies open source technologies that are really pushing the state of the art indeed AAs mitigation forward basically these two things now main that you can efficiently mitigate data's attacks with commodity hardware. We're so path has built a business around that and by the looks of things going after those arbor networks based services they've already got a terabyte per second of connectivity ability which is a lot of bits per second for a relatively new company but yeah they're idea is the data scrubbing and standby data scrubbing services shouldn't cost a fortune it's kind of a tax on business and they're using the lightest standards and the latest techniques to mitigate these attacks using commodity hardware and they're passing on the savings to customers. They've also built some really cool distributed network monitoring tools as well so the going on in that interview that is number two this time and then I lost snake oil it for this edition is respond software. They make a decision agent for socks basically but I guess that's kind of underselling they quite quite literally aiming to replace frontline salk analysts with software. Now the funny thing is right. You might think that that sounds a bit risky but say this out loud. We can't use a software agent for first line monitoring because we might miss something so yeah when you say it out loud. It's kind of funny right because everybody's already missing. Thank stuff response. Whole pitch is that they can bump out a list of like five serious things? Your sock should be doing that day. Instead of trolling through tens of thousands of meaningless context less alerts let's and when you finished with those five confirm serious things you can always go back and look at your logs but as you hear response customer actually starting to really trust it to do that first piece of analysis so so that is also an interesting chat so yeah. We got a bunch of stuff right bunch of stuff to talk through in this edition so let's kick it off now without chat with Richard has has previously appeared a few times as a guest on this podcast. I think you can really describe rigid as an industry luminary. He's been in the discipline since the ninety s he's written a bunch of books so on and so on and these days he is with Choline. Their goal is to transform network traffic into actionable data for analysis forensics and real time response response. Their product is based on the open source tool zeke which was formerly bro and Richard joined me to talk about it and he is what he had to say. If you think about got a spectrum of what you can learn about your network at one end of the spectrum you've got write everything to disk and that's a full content peak cap collection the other end of the spectrum you have tell me as best as you can just the things that I want to know that might be good or bad or however you define you. If you you WANNA have policy violations or whatever you call it now you can think you know going back to the PHILIPPIC APP. That's great but even in an era of inexpensive storage how you GonNa make use of that data on a daily basis at the other end the alerts would if you miss something what if you don't have an alert for whatever however the attack is so Zeke sits right in the middle of that and the idea behind it is to give you an idea the of what's happening on a network in a form that has enough detail that you can make some sense of it but not so much that it just takes a lot out of space and it's tough to index and all that it's a pretty simple idea but it turns out that there really aren't many products or offerings offerings in that space like the thing that we always like it's compared to quite often is net flow but Netflix for the most part is just a description of who who talked to who when how much data was passed piece protocols that sort of thing and we'll give you that with our connection log but then any protocol protocol that Zeke understands. We're GONNA give you data about that as well so let's say you've got a TCP connection and on top of that is an https session session. We're going to give you what we can from each bs which will end up being. SSL Data so we'll give you server names. We'll we'll tell you information about the certificates in if you want we can extract the certificates and you can save that to disk and all of this is linked through a connection. ID's so that or you ideas as they appear in the logs so that if you're trying to figure out what relates to what you're trying to do like you know your data science or whatever you WANNA call it on that information and it makes it easy to follow that chain and as it turns out it does a really nice place to be if you're trying to understand what's happening on your network because we the answer a lot of the questions that security person wants to know in a small footprint that can be saved for basically forever if you if you think about having adding some type of hot storage that goes into database or or spunk or Hemu or Google Chronicle or whatever and if you WanNa do cold storage just writing text files to disk or or Jesus files to disk and put it up in Amazon Glacier is something forever so that's that's the basic idea and we can we can expand and beyond that I'm sure yeah it. Kinda reminds me a little bit like it's similar to what the team at iceberg did that they were a small company wound pinquater by Gigamon. This was a bit different in that it streamed everything to the to the cloud and it was very much about metadata but what I found interesting about them and what I find interesting about coal is that here we are in two thousand nineteen when apparently network monitoring is dead and yet you exist and people are people are buying your stuff. I think the the death of network security monitoring has maybe been called a bit prematurely. Yeah I actually wrote a blog post early early on court late and the marketing team labeled it. NSM is dead. I I was a little shocked like Oh. No this is great. This is going to get around that I think. NSM is dead but it ended up. Just being a you know a click. I suppose the people would read the Post and his dad long live. NSM Yeah Yeah so there's no doubt out that it is not the same world as it was when I started in one thousand nine hundred seven hundred ninety eight back then if you saw something on the wire it was generally unencrypted and when it was a non binary protocol so let's say it was not a son remote procedure call or something like that. It was generally text so you could read it so it was simple. https you could read the page and see what it's doing if it was a file transfer over FTP you could read the commands and if it was telling that you could read the administrator or a criminal interacting with your system and that was a great way to figure out what was happening because it was just right there you know fast forward due to the last ten years or so and more and more traffic is encrypted. You can't do that anymore. It did kind of make a lot of the full packet capture stuff. That was very very trendy like a witness. There was another one God what was it called. It was the one that got sold to but that stuff was super hip for awhile and then everything started getting encrypted. That's like look at least captured packets. We've got that we can't read seamless soda well. There's an interesting workflow to that so the workflow the full many of the full package vendors particularly a company like net witness was around network forensics and it was a it was a similar approach that you would take jaquith file based forensics. Imagine you have a disc you want to extract all the artifacts rendered them in a way that an analyst can look through them and when they find the stolen invoice they ah that person's not supposed to have that on the computer the way that the network forensic vendors took it was the traffic was captured during certain periods was essentially the hard disk ask they would extract all the artifacts presented to the analyst that is generally not the same kind of workflow though that we've seen develop in the era of the modern sock and the the rise of of Sims generally what you would you find people doing is threat hunting. That's became popular for the last nine ten years or so. it's looking for something that you didn't necessarily know was bad and because of that you don't need to have every word document that was transferred on the wire to you the one hundred percent right and this is on looking at what's related which connection came from what other connection and whatever and what I've noticed to ride is you've got this a new breed of security vendor. That's coming up at the moment where they've clearly had a lot of design clearly a lot of design influence from people who've worked in incident response wants and I'm thinking in that case like companies like Alpha sock right which is Chris McNab who is very much an incident responder who's doing stuff like real time the main analytics and Ip analytics and things like that call. That's another one I had another one in my head but it's not quite there anymore but yeah I I'm definitely seeing that fusion fusion between people working incident response now saying well hang on if we had been looking at looking for this more at the time we might have had a better shot at detection here Yeah Yeah Yeah and that brings up a really interesting point you. When you buy our product there is an interface but it's essentially a sensor management health and welfare interface now? There may be some additional things coming to that. I've I've been encouraging and helping develop at core light but for the most part our product is built on giving you the data we don't WanNa be another pane of glass that you have to monitor and somehow integrate into your workflow so be initially. I thought this is GonNa be kind of difficult perhaps to due to sell to customers because they want to see the data but it turns out at this point in the in the market. Everybody's got a place for the data to go right. They already have their spunk. Infrastructure structure or the market honestly is being disrupted very heavily. I think companies like a back store companies the chronicle within Google with their back story product people are seeing that you can do a lot with with just really good high fidelity data whether it's from the host or in are cases from the network through through Corlett Zeke so we don't sell you painted glass. We give you good data that helps you understand what's happening and as a result of that where are our stuff appears in many locations and I should mention as well we do support the open source products Zeke we don't and we don't have like Zeke for commercial and Zeke open source. It's the same code it's just that we do quite a bit with the data before it leaves as the sensor and things like data reduction so that for example maybe you don't want all the fields and the connection logger you doing all the fields and the DNS log or you you know if you're going into a spunk environment and you just don't WanNa keep adding to your spunk bill. We can help you select just the fields that you wanNA send and as a result you pay the customers who choose to go down that road pay third less than they might have if they were just sending open source Zeke logs to to their sim okay so it sounds like and that's an interesting idea ride allowing you to tune it so you don't get hammered by spunk license fees. Could that's kind of what I picked up there. Is that right that's exactly right. I had a you know. All you can eat spunk license G so it wasn't even an issue we just dumped everything into interest paying for more disk but those days are pretty much over so the in in the modern world you have to pay licenses now. What's really cool about chronicle? This isn't supposed to be an advertisement for them but they have a per user model so rather within a volume based model. They'll take everything you send to to the system so that to me. That's really pretty exciting because what it what it results is we've got people who they have certain workflows about how they're trying to respond to intrusions are trying to find intrusions or even troubleshoot problems and they want to have the same type of data no matter where they're looking if they're looking on premise they want to have a certain type of network data if they're looking in their cloud infrastructure they want that so that's one of the reasons why we we started with hardware appliance but now we have these software offerings so again. If you just have your own virtual infrastructure at your company we have a software you know for VM ware and that sort of thing and then just in June we released the version that can go up and Amazon. Aws So because people want they want to say look. I've got a workflow. I want to be able to see my correlate to data matter where it is. I don't feel like I'm getting enough of the data in the right format format that I like from the tools so what can you guys do about it and thankfully. Aws introduce their virtual tap that makes that that at traffic available to our sensor so I mean what it sounds like you'll pitching here if you boil it down to its simplest terms is it is what you feel is a very high quality network network information censor strips out the relevant information and can put it can plug into your existing seem gear can plug it into your existing pint of gloss us and that's going to be useful for things like threat haunting perhaps detection if you put some rules about that higher up and certainly for things like incident response it's yes and what you've so nightly or nicely summarized that but that is only the foundation so if you do you get correlate and you just put it in your environment you get all of that but the Nice thing about core light is that because it's running Zeke is actually running Zeke. It's not running running something that just looks like Zeke or whatever because there's plenty of those out in the marketplace but you get that turing complete language underneath so you can introduce your own packages news you can alter the way the code works you can change the way our product works without having to have something on the road map. You know I can't tell me vendors. I used to work with where you'd say. Well you ever going to have this feature. Yeah yeah that's coming out in two quarter two of two years from now or whatever and it would never never arrive when you have someone introduce a new capability in Zeke like we just ran a package contest or responser to package contest for Zeke. There's new packages that good to be announced at Zeke in October up in Seattle Portland I can't remember somewhere in the Pacific northwest of the US but these are new capabilities abilities that have just been introduced by the open source community and if you like the way they work you can add them. If you want to modify them you can do that so I like to think of network appliances or network censors built on open source as being sort of a beachhead you can you can take the beach you can enjoy the beach and maybe stay there but if you wanna go farther inland you can because you have this the power of this open source engine underneath that could be modified by by your own users. I guess the last question here would be about deployment. I'm presuming that most organizations who use this at something that I put at the gateway on a mirror on a span port right. It's not something that they're putting everywhere internally yeah most people. This is the way I would generally advise if you're if you're in a legacy environment you want to instrument all your gateways so all the ways inner out of of your environment you know the area that you're responsible for at at a minimum I would instrument those gateways the next place to go. You know people call that a north-south deployment the next place to go would be again if you're talking to a big network. You're going to have sort of critical routers interior locations where a lot of traffic it's passed within the environment. That's typically called east-west so you'd want to deploy some sensors within that eastwest environment and then the final place we're talking about on premise enterprise environment. I'd I'd like to go near a critical infrastructure so if you have like this is our rnd network we really make sure we know who's using it. I would put a sensor there beyond that we we have the virtual sensors as well that you can put up in the cloud so we have people who are who are looking to deploy our sensor into do Amazon and honestly I'm really looking forward to seeing how that goes and and people are finding because it's a it's a whole new world up there so I'm guessing really the the colder action as they say in marketing speak for anyone listening to this. If you do have a Siem and you feel like you're not getting type of raw network visibility that you want. I mean that that's your ideal customer at this point right. Yeah Yeah and you know what I did a blog post just the other day addressing the issue of well if you don't have a Sim should you wait because we had some customers who said well. We're reevaluating our SAM. We want to make sure it works with the new version of light. You know obviously itself serving to say this but you don't need to wait there are many environments where you could just write the the output to disk and you just loaded into the simulator and even if you don't even look at that data over the month or two months or whatever uh-huh oh absolutely that's one of the only times I've disagreed with marcus random key. He used his very famous for saying don't collect logs. You never look at I said no you collect those things 'cause disc is cheap and later on when you find out your owned or or you suspect that your own you go back and you look at all that stuff I think I think Marcus I so you know I think he would be more railing against the people who had just storing stuff like in a completely unstructured way. I mean this at least has some rhyme and reason to it right yeah yeah yeah. That's true yeah. I see where you're coming from. Our data that is probably the biggest strength of it is that it is linked by those you. ID's and it if you're if you ever wanted like look at an open source project that was designed by like real smart people impacted invented this thing back in one thousand nine hundred five if you can imagine so it's a twenty four year old open source project the the quality of the engineering and the thought that went into it is really remarkable. It's amazing that the code has has performed so well over the years and can do all these sorts of things and it's also not you know it's it's optimized for the network but at the end of the day it's basically an event so there's there is code out there that will take in. Os Query event data treated as an event and you can have curry hurry data right alongside network data so that's kind of the future of where things are going. I think is you'll have more of this sort of unified logging where you're pairing information from an API call or from a host based product with the network so that you don't have to do it in the Senate will all come out of the event engine Zeke and if you WanNa put it there well Richard Bite Lick. It's great to have you back on the show. I believe you were on once or twice before quite some time ago now but it's it's been a very very good to chat to you and thanks for walking us through what you're working on over there at your welcome always nice to talk to your friend again and thank you to anyone who was listening that was Richard Bite Lick of their big thanks to him for that and you can find choline at Qalat Dot Com C. R. E. L. I. G. H. T. Dot com and yeah I can hardly see that their stuff would be worth taking spin. I mean it's easy to deploy so just give it a guard. See what it's like. Let me nor right okay onto our next snake oil now path networks path is doing some. I'm very interesting stuff with AB PF and exte- pay so I'll just do a quick explain it but he explains it better in the actual interview a quick example well. If like extra pay what that allows you to do is to push network rules to your commodity smart Nick Network cards and that means that the routing decisions aren't being made by the host hours they're not even hitting the OS conal they being made on the actual nick and the obvious benefit to that is speed a lot of speed and in fact you can now use extra pay to build very effective data's filtering equipment. That's competitive against expensive specialist hardware and you can do yeah on commodity hardware next guest Marshall Webb founder of path has seen a market opportunity to provide data protection file larva to a market. That's kind of being extorted a little bit by the incumbent players not all of them but some of them path offers these mitigation services to customers at a a pretty substantially reduced cost compared to the incumbents and they also don't try to screw new customers who are under attack and need the situation resolved quickly they get them back online first first and then they talk Turkey and contract later which is sadly not how it works with some of these other companies they also offer a really interesting network monitoring service. It's it's actually pretty clever the way they've done that they trade access to the VPN service to people who are willing to run the network test agent on their personal mobile devices and the end result is that path has some pretty amazing visibility from a whole bunch of different places around the world. It's kind of a bit like the atlas network visibility stuff but with a modern twist list being those mobile devices or the thing being used. It's not a dedicated hardware appliance anymore. Path also offers security consulting to they've found once they start doing business with new customers. That's something they want from them but Yeah Marshall Web join me to talk about path networks and I started by asking him to explain what actually is an Dan. He is what he had to say. Yes so x t p express data path links teepee is basically a new technologies to be adopted by the the L. Let's community in embedded in the new modern Lewis Colonel would exit appeal as us to do is push customers and real sense directly to aw Spartan Knicks and different vendors who support smart technology such as melanoma CTS rid leverage these commodity number cards on our mitigation devices and then leverage them to push on different rules and filters directly onto the never cards that we use in our devices so there's definitely fleet greatly expedites the way that we're able to filter different needle stacks out rebel do closer to line rate on on her never Kurds urge which is important as most based around one hundred Gigabit Ethernet so having those fast speeds are very important to us now every every second counts when we were trying to mitigate an attack and Abe is I mean it's not quite the same thing but it's something else it's another technology that allows you to optimize for data's eight US mitigation right exactly exactly SUPERPAC Berkeley. peccadillo turned is a fairly older technology. I mean everyone who's ever used. Ip tables Abel's on the interacted with it in some way what Berkeley packet filters have always allowed us to do business rules that we like to tease to protect actor but what did you has done is its provide a very easy pipeline to work with. ADP and in as as stated before we push I those whose those rules tricks on the silicon in another way so that we don't have to abstract that still you got a blog post on this stuff that you wrote up in April and there's a line I really like which is you feel sometimes like you're counting yourself on the bleeding edge which you know I've I've known other people in that taught in that situation before because okay these technologies exist that's great but getting them to work at a reliable way. There's a little bit of expertise involved there. Yeah absolutely absolutely so a lot of what we ran into the you know with this technology coming out with some new you know there is a a litany of our technologies acknowledged that kind of paved the way this picturing copy net map overtime. We had DP de que but fortunately we kinda you know we we put our money on the winning horse and fortunately next ep kind of pulled away became the standard so now that's been adopted by you know by the limps colonel it's definitely definitely on greatly enhanced support that it has and it's made it much much easier to Emma on to work with in terms of commodity years so Yes we're Kinda referred to that is is the lack of any sort of existing applications. You know prior art that we can refer to you know a lot of there's a lot of code online. Obviously with something is news this. It's hard to Poland information that you might see something. That's a little bit older and as a result all we can add to travel as a little bit in that aspects of you know the the value all the equipment you know obviously buying commodity here on definitely helps us out in terms of merging the along the effort was expended around getting the code basis together working through shrinking bugs or issues with the other the the somewhat nascent you know ex-sdp code base and then put all that together the solution so it's Kinda what we refer to when we say that and then obviously you know there's other technologies that kind of play roller stack that we've had to fight with the maintainers of the s flew Kodak that's used by okay okay. we maintain that code base on we were actually giving ownership other just due to all the various patches that we to to kind of bring it up to speed so if someone comes along and stopped submitting patches and maintaining it's like hey do you want this to be yours. That makes sense right. Yeah sorry it allows us to give give back a little bit you know reload the were enabled to contribute Tribu Tuten in help. You know help everyone else at the same time so that's that makes a lot of sense so look at the end of the day right. What this means is that you can you can you've effectively you figured out how to use these open? Source Technologies are these open source software to engineer data equipment that runs on commodity hardware. I mean the tail all the are is. That's what that's one big pot of. What path dots right exactly that's correct yeah so so you've customs I believe you've got some? ISP's and and hosting companies using the stuff one of your public customizes Cable Bahamas which makes sense because those island nations are particularly vulnerable to data stuff so how'd you deploy to your customers. Is something where you know you're you're upstream from them and they they're providers is that that's that's where your gear is installed redoing this as a cloud based filtering is it always on is it a is it just configured in a file over mode like how you actually taking this democracy yes great question so the answer questions the biggest that these that we deploy this is typically a on demand type solution so obviously lost comes in a few flavors in terms of solutions yet always on yeah yet on the band and then the house you know some short vibrates solution that does both so in our case what we see most clients tend to prefer especially those in the hosting or ISP space latency is always going to be very important. we try to try to keep it in on demand solutions so that works they'll typically configuring their edge never to export flows to US typically Sam close either s flow Netflix with the sampling on but pretty agnostic in terms of what we can adjust my p. six as well taken and then based on the floor tradition that we get we analyze restored Ninja history on it and then if we detect anomalies we know that's when we need to do an advertisement cut over so that point will wilson community string and then trigger policy-based trailing to make sure that they announced those prefixes overdose in at that time I will start to skirl than kick clean trap back typically. We'll do this over on jury tunnels do yeah. Is it physical interconnection Pilla circuit now for a company that I'm guessing most listeners haven't heard of like you've got a lot of gigabits. What's your what's the capacity that you've actually got because it's a lot yeah so our current edge never capacities touching unattended the per second when you take into the Internet exchange ports and stuff that we have so we're currently at Equifax L? A. One equifax white nine in Equifax hand seven in Amsterdam so we have a three points appears in Sun until currently on we partner with NTT Intel you mafia bad now. Look I know one of the strategies going to market with this is to say look way using commodity hardware. We're using open source technology. This isn't like an urban networks situation Shen where we've got a lot of iron de costs to recoup from you know things like specialists silicon on whatever like that. That's the old game. This is the new game so one of the you know the the big city marketing points from you is that like you actually look cheap right and and in addition to that you don't Gouge and have special pricing for people who currently under attack right which is something that various upstream companies have been known to do from time to time exactly exactly our goal is to keep people online shorter things on and then you let liquor point so on trade a builder around that branding and we definitely have a much better emerging in terms of how we've holter stack and just have a modern stack. We can't things that are pretty good times in terms of technology. you know one hundred gig Ethernet become affordable. Do you come to the market and you know the commoditisation of smarter Kurds and we've been able to Kinda ease. This really cut down. What let you know the cops traditionally are in the space on its typically sign people up on like a rolling standby contracts thing? Is that how that works we we still we still long-term contracts increase through your contracts but we're much more flexible belt neon wooden. Promise of somebody news is immediately. Getting attacked will usually usually on board and I rebelled workout a contract later. The main goal is just to help people get through the media attacks. Idiocy is without trying discreet contract signed exactly exactly yeah yeah so look. This isn't the only thing that you do right there. There is also the network monitoring stuff and I think this is really cool. 'cause like you've actually managed to build up a pretty decent network of clients out there that can run tests for you right so you've got a a pretty decent analytics business by stuff that yeah exactly so we have both passively accept the provides more context passer than flow based. I love that it's just you know remote expectation networks grew the company will continue to vices to send that over to them but then the other kirks will be who's the active analytics the active analytics district because we've basically taken a similar to Ripen Lewis Acceptance Software Right Atlas had on hardware region that you could deploy on at your place of business. You're in your home that Negoti participated in in the in the network he could trolling the garden. We took that similar model income tweaked it. He's built a software agent runs on a mobile phones. Not As people walk around your travel today today business well-connected alums if Hans your networks in as a result we glean inside null this Oman's probes into yards tracer outs even layer seven health checks from this device and because of the geographic dispersion constitutes a pretty pretty good insight into held if you're seen certain non certain tracks so what this allows us to do is basically in a portrait for routing we can monitor Propagation Commander under SLA enforcement on measure latency or repack loss on different interfaces on that they may be cured up with and in doing so from all these different nations. We can really get a good picture of rank anomalies. Take place if you this is this is very valuable if you're doing any casting or if you're multi home l. never which most tend to be now that things have scaled up on and that's pretty important so having the heaven that kind of keep up with the way they nets corwin a win is Kinda. were in obviously as mitigation company we kind of built the you know I on we wanted to basically have better better insight into how we could measure the indicating that we have looking for Radin balances and other things like that and this was the best we could figure out how to do and then once it's not who decided to go to market with it and we've had a lot of interest in it all right Sir Marshall Webb I guess what do you want the listeners to do here. I guess you're most interested interested in hearing from people who are hosting who are running telcos that seems to be the the the core group of customers there. I'm guessing you WanNa you WanNa hear from them. I think the biggest thing that we wanna see is just if they if they have any desire held you know improving the analytics that they can see what in southern networker if they have any issues with with Diaz tax or in Earth or need a mitigation or if they're they're looking at that big arbor contract and trying to make a decision then I would hope that they would a participant consideration ration- and see if we could you know help them out or give them a at least another option aright so people can find information more information on path networks at path dot net. I'm going to drop a couple of weeks into the show notes for this podcast including to read that blog post about PF and X. D. pay but Russia web. It's been a pleasure to chat to you my friend and look best of luck with it because I think this business segment that you playing in it has got a little bit style l. Sorry it's really great to see some people jumping in with with a lot of obvious energy to try to shake things up a bit. No Harper goes well. We're we're here. Lebanon also Patrick. Thank you so much that was Marshall Web there from path networks and you can find them at path dot net right which is a killer domain name. I think and yeah I think this is this data's mitigation. Market is a market that has been Giuffra shakeup the quite a while so it's immensely satisfying to see some moves in that direction. It's one thing for the technology to do this easily to exist. It's another thing for a company like Pasta actually go out there and start doing stuff with it and ironing out all of those bugs so good job. Path I came up next is our third and final snake oil it for this edition respond software yeah now we did a great soapbox edition with respond about a year ago with I explained the basic thinking behind their product. I will link through to that in show notes for this episode and I'll just say that respond came too risky Biz by way of a referral from someone I know and respect to absolutely loves their software but yeah the whole idea. YEA is respond offers a decision engine that can replicate so much of the grunt work takes place in a modern sock. Anyone who runs a sock knows how hard it is keeping keeping up with alerts and how much of that I touch work is just mind-numbingly boring and the sad thing is analysts often miss serious stuff and wind up chasing issues and wasting a bunch of time right so they're real efficiency problems there so the team at response software have developed a decision engine designed to replace those level one and sock operators entirely now some people will be skeptical about that they'll think how can you trust a software agent but next guest respond. Vp Chris Miller says assist. That's kind of what's happening. Naturally people buying respond to augment their decision making and then they just going okay look clearly doing a good job so we're just going to rely on that now right so so that's kind of interesting they call it at. It's very American way to put things but they call it their their customer trust journey so so they got it anyway. Here's what Chris had had to say about what respond customers are up to these days last time monitoring in there you know they're sitting there not spending hours and hours a day looking at all the the alerts they're waiting for the respond analyst pop out alerts and it's been very significant for us right to see this change as customers are essentially on trump's journey with us because as you move away from human analysts in the human role is obviously going to be skepticism around that for most everybody right in just whether it's in the security industry or any industry that we're in so as we see so you know that change happening. It's getting really exciting for us and I think for our customers. There's a few different approaches to that problem of trying to get you know salk operate as a wife doing dumb stuff all the time and this is one of them by the sounds of things it's quite effective and I also believe with something like respond. Look what was the statistic statistic that we used in the in the LAS recording we did with you that yeah. Two billion events got crunched down to three hundred fifty alerts right so so that's that's an excellent start. It seems to me that like you know everything that you're going to be flagging is going to be real. Sorry maybe even if you even if it feels like you don't even have to make the claim that it's comprehensive and flagging everything because at least you know whatever it does flag is real and that's a good starting point. Is that kind out of the way customers looking at this in is that how they trust leap yeah I believe so because they're not giving up on their sins right. They're not throwing their sends out or whatever else they were using up to this point so it's not this sort of ripping replaced. It's actually a sort of a better together story right. How how do you bring in additional technology that has great detection logic that none of the other tech is due in a new approach to it and so it's additive in this case right and so we're seeing customers bring it in that way and then eventually as the as the trust builds are able to start to make some some tougher decisions that they might not have not chose fronts right a tough decision might be moving away from their emphasis P. Right and relying on respond analysts to do that monitoring piece? You're not the security device management than MSZP's provide. You know it's a great service that you know that they would offer the monitoring piece where they can off load it. You know to the analyst Yeah. That's a pretty dramatic change for a customer and we're seeing those kinds of things but only only over time. It's definitely sort of an added of approach upfront. I think the MSSP people listening to this will probably not like me saying this but you know that that type of service log monitoring MSSP has kind of been a compliance check box for a long time and no one's really expected to get any value out of it. I mean you know the famous case of the the target hack where there was an and there was a sock person who actually flagged that out out of some fire. I kid it was a firearm and then you know just no one kind of took it seriously because it was lost in a deluge of other alerts I mean that's really the problem. You're trying to solve here. Yeah we would love to see. MSSP's take our technology. We think anyone who's doing tier. One sock level analysis they should be automating right and now these tools are are starting to be available and they should should leverage them. Emerson's piece could do right is offload that even in their own operation ration- and then focusing on that higher value service but their customers whether that's you know threat hunting people are looking for manage threat hunting type services deeper deeper investigation. I are services to help them. Through a breach breaches occurring music things that emphasis piece could be you're sort of transitioning to while they're you know taking that responsibility of that tier one monitoring off their plate because what it often results Zan and this is the complaint you'll hear from customers. Most often is many many false positives that results in customer spending hours and hours trying to run down down only to find out that it wasn't anything to be concerned about the funniest description of that base level sock work is someone might say who it was but it was they were saying knowing that it's like sitting in front of the same console is kind of like tinder for malicious behavior. You don't yes no yes yes. That's that's kind of the work floor and you know it's just a recipe for mistake so I'd imagine like having something that gives you at least a priority list to work through first before you start going through the manual process like and and might be might be a good place to start now. Refresh my memory on how responded actually deployed deployed as seem helper into spunk or do you actually take a feat of all of the logs into some some on Prim equipment yourselves like what is the actual deployment model yeah we actually have multiple models models for for deploying the technology probably the the most common one for us right now is there's an on premise component called respond analysts analysts server and then there is the decision engine our respond decision engine. It's in the cloud you would point your security technologies your sturdy devices send those alerts to on premise analysts server and then from there it talks to our decision engine in the cloud and brings back these decisions when we see something that's militias and actionable right. That's the decision criteria that we're trying to meet that is the traditional way that we do it. we also offer the ability instead of forwarding the events from the security the devices themselves we can forward it from the Sim- yeah. I was wondering I that was exactly what I was gonNA. Ask if you could just joop it out of the Sim right absolutely because because you know if customers already doing centralize collection in log management wherever they're doing that we'll take the feed from that and so we built integrations with all all the SIM products you know the common ones as well as a data link type solutions wherever you've got it. That's where we WANNA take. It can also do the solution the full cloud so you still have to you know send us the alerts whether that's coming from your Sam from security devices but we could have on our analysts servers also in the cloud and you can just do the full cloud approaches well that's less common customers tend to want to have that on trump's component where odd they did have a little more control over that part of the infrastructure yeah makes sense and I'd imagine the on Prem stuff. He's doing a lot of stuff like stripping out relevant bits and shunting that up into the cloud rather than the hall kitten caboodle you do a little bit of sorting on Prim and then trump the interesting stuff to the cloud. Is that out works. We do some sorting Cram Yeah No. That's that's a great way to center. Yes uh-huh we're extracting what we what we need to make a good decision and that's not all the data right. There's only certain aspects or fields of of the security data that we're collecting that we're pulling out in sending so yes yep that makes a lot of sense so last time I spoke to someone from respond spawned there was like about ten commonly used technologies that could talk to respond and respond with would be able to analyze those logs. I believe really the last year for your your company has been about just expanding the number and types of technologies that you're able to actually ingest right yeah that is correct. You know a lot of products out there even in the same category you take. IDs I t s as a as a category. There's a dozen different vendors out there that everyone's using so if you're gonNA appeal right to to the customer base you have to have coverage there and so a lot of the the energy is going into building. You know the connections to to those products the integrations for for all of them across the different categories that we cover and we've always is there a particularly popular combination of solutions that vendors tend to come to you with like. Can you say that respond works particularly well well when you using technologies X. Wines it with all the technologies that we you know we have models built for it it. Just there's interesting examples. Would you take take your vendor like a Palo Alto. That has the entire security stack in their own product when we could connect into their their full stack it makes makes it interesting for any customer. That's that's a powerful shop client venue signaling exactly and Powell out been doing very well. All I mean they're very prolific in the market so for us it makes sense to make sure that we will match with their coverage so that might be one example yeah. So what are some of the new vendors window is that you've moved to support lost twelve months will say well the the thing that we're working on probably the most this is not out yet but on the Dr side you know getting the crowd stripes for example crowd strike carbon black. ETR Technology has gotten really popular. Everybody's dotted deployed. We're still seeing the need to put additional decision logic on top of these feeds to help customers prioritize and understand exactly what's malicious. It's just an actionable so we've been spending a lot of time in in that area. As of late the the other thing that we've been doing is contextual will sources so being able to ingest. DHCP this is this is a great feature that we've added so that as I t addresses are changing aging inside of environment we keep track of of those assets right. This is proven out to be pretty useful to our clients. At this point. Vulnerability Vulnerability Stan integration being able to tape vulnerability stamp data in as a contextual source in order to make decisions has been You know something that's also useful to us. That's been one of the holy grails doesn't security is being able to cheering out like exploitation attempts against stuff. That's patched like that has been. That's been something people have been trying to do for years and it's surprisingly hod yet you know the other thing. That's cool about. Boehner ability scan data is that we can infer things like asset criticality from from the fee. If we see that there's server ports are open. You can infer that that's a critical asset right into server. It's running different services that are going to be higher criticality tallied. Let's say a workstation so you start to get those kinds of advantages right when you get that type of feat that makes sense that makes a lot of sense actually and it's it's funny. Isn't it that really what we're talking about about it. A lot of these security automation stuff is we're just talking about taking common sense stuff and automating it and you know this is why I'm very proud of all of you for not. I'm trying to go the machine learning artificial intelligence marketing route right. It's much more about like Oh yeah okay that box ports open. It's on the network and those ports correspond respond to like a SAP service. We probably want to escalate alerts targeting that machine a little bit more. I mean it makes a lot of sense yeah and the way that we like to think about it it is it's probably not any one approach that's going to win. It's going to be a combination of approaches now. We do some analysis well. That's that's an aspect of it right but that's not the whole thing right we leverage Beijing math. We have math is part of our bodily conditional probabilities. You're we're leveraging different techniques sort of you know the best fit for the problem right best Matt for the problems what we said we that's that's the approach right that the debtor industry needs to take it's not gonna be. It's GONNA be a hybrid of sorts in order to get to these answers because the problems are complex right and so you've got to use the right tool for the right problem yeah it's like. Is this an attack. Well it depends I'd imagine a lot of the engineering that's pointing to imagine. A lot of the engineering that's going to respond would be really just thinking thinking through those curly ones and wondering what context you need to actually make a call roll on in a given scenario and then figuring out how to automate that we're trying to do and what we're what we're seeing happen is it if we can offload flowed this task. What could you do with your time and your budget if you didn't have to spend it on level one sock analysis right right and we start to see how organizations can unlock that budget and apply it to other security projects? Which essentially are you know? Things are going to help reduce reduce risk in an organization right and this is where the your the promise really really comes is that when you've got that opportunity and I we'll take care you take advantage of this. You know you're able to see that kind of change where you're investigating on average one or two or five alerts today I talked to any sock. They would be so jealous if they had to look at you know five incidents that came out of the respond analysts versus the thousand that they normally have to look at on a daily basis right now it is it changes the game by orders of magnitude and it's that kind of change change that I think you're SORTA transforms in industry. I think Chris One of your best selling points. There is people might be a bit scared of it and say well. What if we miss something because we're relying on an automated agent? It's like well you missing stuff already like that's just that's just reality because in the console just because it's in the console it doesn't mean you level one like some analysts are gonNA catch it did not well and in fact the way that our software works is that we analyze a security event. We're looking at it from dozens of dimensions whereas in dozens of questions that if a human analysts had the time the energy in the skill to ask they would on every single alert so our belief is that we can outperform the human analysts and you should be asking more right the question the other way right not so much. How do you respond did miss something but it's how do you know you're not missing something? That's exactly right. I I mean with all of the technology that we feature in snake oil as I mean I've never used respond software but it's the sort of thing you know in these sort of conversations you have convinced me at least that you know where I am responsible for running a sock that it would certainly be looking into Chris Roller. Thank you very much for joining us to give us a bit of an update on where respond is at an. I wish you the best of luck with it all right thank Patrick that was crystal or their of respond software big. Thanks to him for that and Yeah Respond Office. Both live trials and historical trials are their free will you can just get it to crunch historical logs and compare. It's out the things you know we're real during that period or you can throw it in for live trial and just have it running and you saw can you you can you can get a really good idea of what sort of outputs you're gonNA get out of. It and you have absolutely nothing to lose by at least taking it. I been you can check them out at respond. DASH SOFTWARE DOT COM so that's respond DASH SOFTWARE DOT COM and that is it for this edition of the snake oilers podcast. I do hope you enjoyed it and yeah I have. I have enjoyed this right which is kind of not Wanna expected when I started doing these sponsored podcast a couple years ago I mean there was a part of me when I launched a series. That felt like I was a massive sell-out bought God help me. I actually enjoy doing these. I joined the conversations ninety percent of the vendors vendors who participate really smart and super bowl to deal with so yeah not what I expected when I started off doing this we will be running a soapbox edition next week for you you because which is another fantastic podcast chatting with all about the latest line of Yuba keys and where they're going. That's super cool weeks from now will be

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Episode 134: Disturbing the Peace

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Episode 134: Disturbing the Peace

"The rest in peace. It's a common in response to the death of someone well known or well loved and has been for a very long time while it's been popular since the eighteenth century instances of it can can be found all the way back to the four hundred's when people die. We truly do wish that they will rest in peace. But of course. That's not always the case is. Is it in two thousand thirteen. Researchers working at Virginia's historic Jamestown site uncovered the bodies of four men. That are believed to be part of the original leadership of the colony. And yes I could tell you all about them who they were and what they did but that would be missing the point. They were at rest for a long while but eventually chilly. That rest was disturbed. Archaeologists are good at that. It's part of their job really to study the remains of the past in order to put the Hustle of ancient history back together again. A researchers aren't the only people digging up graves and disturbing the rest of those within them. Watch any documentary on ancient ancient Egypt. And you'll eventually be introduced the concept of tomb robbers individuals who made a living by breaking into tombs and stealing the valuable goods inside them. That's what made King Tut's tomb so spectacular. He was a minor farrow. Who didn't rule for very long so it safe to assume other rulers would've had much more lavish collection valuables in their tomb? No King Tut was exceptional because his to manage to evade the tomb robbers. There's a third group of people who break that sacred boundary and disturb the sleep of the dead although we tend to forget about them partly because we honestly just never would expect to find them in the first place but also because we have so much faith in humanity that we don't expect them to exist and yet for a very long time they not only existed hosted the thrived and the earned a name that has become synonymous with disrespect and violation because everyone feared the body snatchers. I'm Aaron Minke and this is Lor ooh Uh what started out as a simple renovation had become something more mysterious in July of nineteen ninety nine workers were on site at Harvard. University's Holden Chapel where they discovered something wholly unexpected and equally unsettling the walls of the chapel. Chapel's basement were lined with bones human bones. It didn't take long for their true nature to be discovered the bones dated to the late seventeen hundreds and represented one of the darker chapters of the university's long history because the bodies weren't stash their by a prolific killer or even in a public afraid of plague ridden remains. No they were put there by faculty you see the late seventeen. Hundreds was a boom era for medical schools. More and more hopeful students were pursuing a career in medicine and that meant that schools were beginning to overflow with fresh minds to train but with that influx of students came a new problem. There were no longer enough human corpses to go around for everyone to study. It's a problem. That's most often discussed discussed within the framework of England and Scotland and stories of people like Birkin. Hair have gone a long way toward planting that dark chapter in British history into our modern minds lines but it's not a problem that state across the Atlantic. It seems that even in America that challenge of supply and demand was met with a less than savory solution solution. A lot of it came down to the laws in the United Kingdom. The only bodies that were legal dissection were those of executed criminals which happened happened rarely enough to effectively choke the supply of medical school cadavers and because Massachusetts began as an English colony it shared many of those same moss and the restrictions caused by them which explains all those bones beneath Harvard's chapel one man even try to build a bit of organization around it Joseph. Warren was the son of Dr John. Warren professor of Anatomy at Harvard. Now maybe young. Joseph had heard his father's complaints too often often to ignore or perhaps his father was in on the idea on a long but sometime around seventeen ninety six Joseph formed a secret society called the Anatomical Club Club. It wasn't a study group though. Instead it was a group of men committed to the arts of bodysnatching and I don't use the term art lightly. This group developed set of Best Practices and general philosophy about their work for example the proper crew for an evening. bodysnatching was apparently only three people to to do the digging dragging and another to transport the corpse to the customer. And I can't move on without mentioning that one of Joseph Warren's partners in this endeavor endeavour was a guy named John Revere son of the legendary Paul revere but this activity wasn't limited to Harvard University or even Massachusetts it was common at other medical schools including those in Baltimore and Philadelphia anywhere. There was demand certain people rose up to meet it and they got really really good at it too and tricky. There are reports of medical students paying women to go to local poor houses and claim fresh bodies pretending pretending to be there grieving relatives. In other cases students would bribe lamp lighters in the city to take the night off or at least skippy area of town near their preferred for graveyards according to historian Michael Sample this activity even became organized across entire communities in eighteen twenty eight a group group of anatomy professors in Philadelphia all signed a treaty that set the terms for who receive corpses for their classrooms. How many and how often if anyone had problems problems? The mayor was designated as the person to resolve the disagreements. It was literally a conspiracy that went all the way to the top and it worked but bodysnatching like so many other human activities quickly became yet one more arena where human flaws were reflected medical students in those who who worked for them typically avoided the graves of people from middle and upper class instead. They focused on Potter's fields in the poor of their communities because in their minds at least people mattered less and had fewer rights when they were poor and other favorite spot tended to be military burial grounds. Especially Ashley Those sailors. They were poor. Typically disconnected from a local family quite often were from a minority group and there was one place where this prejudice was put put on full display New York City but the big apple has never been the sort of place to take things lying down the people there have a way of fighting for a better life and they always have so when a practice as unethical as body snatching moved in and took root in the late. Seventeen hundreds you can probably guess how the people of New York handled that. Sadly things didn't end well for anyone involved and yet at lined up neatly with something that history has proven we are very very very good at tragedy and violence and death It was easier than you might have thought becoming a medical doctor New York City city in the late seventeen. Hundreds wasn't the nearly endless gauntlet of schooling and residency that physicians face. Today back then folks had a couple of options an actual medical medical school or private lessons from a practicing doctor for the official track. There was Columbia College as New York City's only medical school at the time. This was where you could enroll and work toward a real degree. But if that wasn't an option one could go to the new hospital where Dr Richard Bailey offered to teach classes of his own. Each option for all their differences had the same problem though. There were just not enough cadavers to go around which meant that a lot. A lot of students lacked the hands on experience. They needed to truly master their lessons thankfully for them. There were less than savory alternatives Columbia. College sat conveniently close to a pair of cemeteries although their demographics. Shouldn't surprise you. One was a potter's field. A burial place for the poor and unclaimed while the other was called the Negros burial ground and although it was a few blocks away the New York hospital made use of those cemeteries as well now. Columbia Columbia colleges. Medical program was run by a man named Dr Charles McKnight. He had a solid reputation in the community and didn't blatantly instruct his students to provide their own cadavers. I threw bodysnatching. But he didn't tell them not to. And it stands as a perfect illustration of how silence from authorities can often empower the worst people however New York hospitals. Dr Bailey had a less than perfect reputation. He was rumored to be a cruel man. Who experimented on the sick against their wishes? His patients were often poor and without the social clout to fight back making them the perfect choice for a medical teacher looking for hands on experience for his students. In January. Seventeen eighty eight. The city's medical students began to increase their activity at night. Robbing dozens of grays one. Reason was that snow is still bill. On the ground embodies stay fresh longer in the cold. Typically dissection had to begin immediately after the body was dug up for obvious reasons but the cold and snow. Oh allowed for a bit more time. In fact there are stories of severed limbs being stored in bundles of snow. While internal organs were often pickled in whiskey or vinegar nigger to fight off the que it was messy most likely took a strong stomach to handle at all but the students did it every single night rather than keep their activity discreet. They became more and more bold which left evidence around for the general public to notice and be disturbed by two things happen as a result of their bold and obvious crimes. I the local community of free. Black New Yorkers gathered together a committee and sent them to town hall which was located nearby they. They stood before the city council and ask them to find the people who were stealing the bodies of their loved ones and require them to be more discreet about it. And I know what you're thinking king. Why didn't they just ask the city council to stop them completely and the answer is complex because yes? The medical students were being disrespectful. And the way they handle things was ham fisted and sloppy but there was also a large percentage of New Yorkers who understood the upside to bodysnatching because of students didn't get a proper hands on education. They wouldn't make for good doctors and that had the potential to turn into decades of pain and suffering for their future patients was was it an easy choice absolutely not but they felt like they were picking the lesser of two evils. The second major event kicked off by the increase in bodysnatching snatching was a letter sent to the local paper. The daily advertiser this letter addressed to the editor of the paper complained about the criminal. Deeds taking place and it suggested that laws should be passed to prohibit. It's pointing to just how insidious disrespectful and racially biased. The crimes were the daily advertiser published that letter in mid February seventeen eighty eight generating a storm of dialogue and concern within just a couple of weeks. Another another anonymous letter was sent to the paper. This time a rebuttal of the first. The author of the second letter was most likely a medical student so we have to acknowledge the the obvious bias that drove them to rights. But it made that same old argument as before more. Cadavers meant better doctors and everyone wants a skilled medical professional on their side when life goes sideways alongside this new letter. The daily advertiser published news of another bodysnatching in the city. Now obviously there were far for too many taking place to report on all of them and it was rare for poor and minority communities to get print space. This one though was different. It seems the body of a woman was stolen Lin from the Graveyard of Trinity Church and the Church wanted to offer a financial reward for her return. All of this tension began to put a strain on the people of New York City. The tug of war between the need for better medical education and the common decency than all graves should receive the balance between desperation and morality Ralphie and the clear differences between the way graves of the middle and upper class retreated and those of the poor and under represented frustration. Like that doesn't just go away instead. It's simmers and builds and become something more and more volatile over time. then in April of seventeen eighty the eight all of that came to a boil and the results were terrifying What set it? All off was a wave of the hand to understand what I mean though. We need to back up slightly because I need to help you understand. Exactly what most of these medical students were like in seventeen eighty eight. According to historians a good majority of doctors began their training around the aged fifteen and while we could do that dance where we talk about maturity levels over the past few centuries but how fifteen year olds back then were getting married and working jobs. There's still the glaring fact that those teenagers were barely separated from their childhood so medical school or not. They weren't the most mature in in fact despite the public uproar over the rash of body snatching that everyone knew was being done by the students. They would frequently dress up in the traditional clothing of their trade and walk through the the streets it was almost as if taunting the people of their community. They seem to be saying yes. We know you disapprove and we don't care but I I mentioned wave did an I the way the story has been recorded. A group of children were playing in the empty field beside the New York hospital. When one of them spotted something frightening he pointed up toward a window and the rest of his friends followed the gesture? There dangling out of a second story window was a severed human arm in one record of the events one of the boys found a ladder and climbed up to the window for a better look. Once level with the opening he saw that the room was occupied occupied. In fact it was a dissecting room where a student named John Hicks was working on the corpse of a woman. When Hicks noticed the boy he picked up the severed arm told him that it belonged to his recently deceased mother and then shook the arm at him causing the limp hand to flop back and forth in a morbid wave understandably? The boy was frightened out of his mind and he quickly descended the ladder and ran home home and to his father. A man still grieving the loss of his wife at the news of what John Hicks had done and what he had claimed in his words to the boy. This father rushed from the house in a rage as quickly as he could. He arranged for his his wife's grave to be exhumed looking for proof that the young medical students had been guilty of nothing more than being a petulant teenager but the coffin was empty. I have a feeling John Hicks knew that he had crossed the line. Yes digging up. The bodies of the recently deceased without permission was miles past the line already eddie but this felt different. He flaunted that disrespect to a young boy and I have to believe that he quickly realized it was a mistake in the moments after the boy had been frightened. write-off Hicks made his own escape by running for the home of a retired physician by the name of Dr John Cochran. The boy's father though didn't hide no he gathered a mob of equally angry members of his community. Together they all marched toward the hospital where they burst inside and discovered a number of bodies laid out on dissection tables to the medical students. It was nothing more than homework to the angry mob. Though it looked like brutal mutilation proving once again that just just about everything. In life is a matter of perception the mob exploded in rage and began to drag every cadaver. They found out into the street where they toss them into a bonfire then perhaps because their anger had clouded their judgments they rounded up every medical student in the building along with one of their instructors. Command named Dr Right Post and remove them from the building. Some in the crowd suggested that day be tossed into the fires. Well the next. It's morning the mob moved onto a new target Columbia college news of their arrival had preceded them though and when they arrived one of the colleges former students with standing lean on the front steps of the school ready to send them home but despite the fact that this man was none other than Alexander Hamilton the mob pushed right past him and searched the school for more bodies and it wasn't a small crowd either most estimates place the size of the mob at around a few thousand making it something too serious to ignore in response response. The governor sent in the militia but with tensions already as high as they could get armed military personnel. Was the last thing the situation needed in the confrontation that followed at least three militiamen were killed by rocks that the mob had thrown in response. The soldiers fired back killing just as many When it was all over the conflict moved onto the courtroom some doctors produced sworn affidavits that claim that they had no idea their students were robbing graves? Others there's dodged the issue by remaining in hiding and the students who had set it off. John Hicks never appeared in court despite being ordered by the authorities to do so in fact they did manage to track him down to the home of that retired physician. Dr John Cochran but they never found Hicks which is amazing really because according to one historian the search team actually went as far as to stand in front of the window that looked out onto the roof of Cochran home but they never opened its and climbed outside outside if they had they might have been tempted to look around and that would have been bad news for young John Hicks because he was curled up in a ball on the roof of the house. Next door hiding in the shadow of the chimney like a common thief and considering what he had done to get there. I'm glad to hear they could find no peace it's easy to look back on earlier moments. It's in history and pass judgment. We can find flaws in just about everything done by the people who came before us and I typically try to see past all of that to understand the particular situation they might have been in whether it was unusual behavior driven by superstitious folklore or the pursuit of scientific discoveries. Is that we now know were impossible or laughable the actions of those who came before us can certainly seem primitive but that attitude would be misguided in most situations the people who came before us did their best with what they had and we can learn a lot from their acidy. The doctors riot of seventeen eighty eight though is exception yes. It's true that medical students needed cadavers to further their education. No one is disputing that. Trust me but the natural and social laws ause. They broke in pursuit of that education. Aren't something that looks better. If we could only just put ourselves in their shoes what they did was wrong plain and simple and and they knew it. I understand that hands on experience with the human body help. These students become better physicians. I think all of us get that but the respect indignity that we showed toward the dead isn't a passing fad. It's been part of human culture since the very beginning as one headstone in Savannah Georgia so eloquently gently states after life's fitful fever. They sleep well or at least. That's the hope. The practice of bodysnatching mm continued for many years and with it there were more riots like the one in New York in fact in the roughly ninety years between seventeen sixty five and eighteen fifty before there were at least seventeen similar riots by angry communities from Baltimore and Philadelphia Cleveland and beyond. And if you watch the news carefully enough these days you might just catch the occasional modern rendition of these events because bodysnatching is sadly still something that takes place even today day criminals harvest organs and other body parts from the dead authorities call them body brokers because they gather and sell human body parts like inventory Tori in a warehouse. Rest in peace is a wonderful sentiment in one that all of us hope is true. Life is often difficult and painful as history is so quick to remind us when it's all over most people cling to the promise that they'll finally get some rest one last detail about the seventeen eighty eight doctors riot it turns out Dr John. Cochran was probably the most powerful person John Hicks could have fled to considering green his options. Why because not only was Cochran doctor who understood the complex nature of the situation because he also served as a surgeon in the revolutionary war before becoming the forth surgeon general in American history? That was part of his power. Arrest came through relationships. In fact Cochran was part of that legendary crossing of the Delaware River on Christmas night. In seventeen seventy six the one. That's depicted in that famous. Emmanuel Lewis Painting and because of his participation in such a pivotal moment in American history. He had a very powerful friend. A friendship that practically guaranteed that the people who are searching Cochran Crans House wouldn't have free rein violate the doctors rights and that friend beyond being heroic general who is loved and admired by nearly everyone in the young nation. He was also serving that nation as its president. It's I in fact Dr John Cochran powerful friend of course With George Washington. I hope that you enjoy this. 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His Father John Scott's had been seventy three years old and had passed away peacefully in his sleep just four days earlier and it was on walked toward the gravesite that Ben noticed something odd one of the nearby graves that young burke yellow sus victim named Augusta's Devon I've been dug up and emptied body snatchers. Of course that's not a reassuring thing to see on the morning of your own father's funeral so once. The ceremony ceremony was over. Ben Pulled two of his brothers aside Carter and John and together they planned a way to make sure their father didn't meet the same fate. According to the story they had workers enter their father's crypt and lay three stone. Slabs over the top of the coffin before covering it all with concretes for added safety. The brothers slips some cash to a local man to stand watch over the tomb for a full month plenty of time for nature to take its course making their father's body less than desirable to potential thieves gives but then was it finished just yet. He'd spent the past three decades of his life. Working as an attorney and knew. Just how insidious these bodysnatching operations could be. So he pulled some strings and obtained a search warrant for the Medical College of Ohio. In Cincinnati there had been reports of strange nighttime deliveries raised the back alley and he had a few suspicions about that the day after his father's burial ben showed up with an entire team behind him. His brother John on was there as was a cousin named George and there were three Cincinnati police officers ready to assist if needed and after being led inside by janitor. They quickly found what they were looking gained for. It seems that the back alley door had led to a small room with a tunnel built into the ceiling almost like looking up into an elevator. Shaft Iran's straight up into the darkness but there was plenty to look at right there in the basement room according to reports they found multiple bodies men and women and even children it all been stolen from local graves and the evidence was damning but they still needed to see what was at the top of that vertical shaft so they follow the janitor. Senator up arriving a short while later a room at the top of the building that was fitted with a winch expertly designed to haul heavy objects up from below whether it had been installed old more mundane purpose long before no one knew but it was clear to ben and the others that are now served as a mechanism for lifting bodies up from the seller out of curiosity and still hoping they might find the stolen body of Augustus. Devon one of the police officers turned the crank to raise the rope as inched upwards so to the body laid on a small wooden platform. It's form covered with the white sheets. Ben Glanced at it and remarked to his brother that the body seem too. Who Heavy to be that of a former tuberculosis patient and that they should look elsewhere but his brother John was more persistent? Perhaps he suggested we should check beneath ate the sheets just in case Ben nodded and then reached out and tug. The white cloth away a moment later both brothers connor breath he had been right. It wasn't the body of Augustus Devon but someone much more familiar to both of them. It was their father. They would later discover how it all happened. The details must have been frustrating for the family. They had gone to such great lengths to make sure the body snatchers would be held off off and yet it hadn't worked and not only that but they must have believed that the thieves would avoid the gravesite. Thanks to how well connected and powerful their father had been after all what could be more connected and powerful than being related to to American presidents. You see not only had John. Scott Harrison lived his life life as the son of former president William Henry Harrison but just a decade after his death and the theft of his body is own son would take up that mantle. That's right Ben. The intrepid investigator who broke up a body snatching ring in Cincinnati went on to serve in the highest elected office. Office in the nation. Becoming America's twenty-third presidents Benjamin Harrison In this episode of Law was written and produced by me Aaron monkey with research by Michelle New and music by Chad Lawson. More is much more than just a podcast. There's a book series available in bookstores and online and two seasons of the television show on Amazon Prime Video. Check in both out if you want more lower in your life I also make to other podcasts. 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Enter Sandman (The Horse Killing Scandal)

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Enter Sandman (The Horse Killing Scandal)

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Okay, and it's Kinda seem like it's coming from left field, and that's because it is fine. Are you by any chance? A horse person like growing up? Did you have? Did you? Where did you go horseback riding any of these things? I'M GONNA. Say I'm actively not a horse person in the sense that I have some friends who are like a question, people always like I don't understand you're so obsessed. Also. Why do you get a medal? Because it feels like the horse is doing all the work just to say. That is. A very valid thing to say, and I'm on your side here I am not a particular fan of horses so ever. My babysitter had a bunch of them when I was young. I did them trying to do a horse favor and picked up an apple that it had dropped on the ground and. That mother effort bit me on the arm, and I was a small child, and it's scarred me for life. Have you ever seen horses? T? Did you have to get a shot? I was wearing a very large jacket. It was candidate in the wintertime, so that was my shields didn't even make dent in your. I was just being my dramatic petty self-interest like screaming crying because it was shown saying. But I also. I. Just don't get it I. Mean I had a friend in elementary school that was so obsessed with horses I won't say her name. Her name is shelby whatever? She was so successful horses that she used to pretend to be one like she would like nee and kick the ground, and like if we were ever doing like running, and Jim or p run to Gallup and like nee at people when she had to pass them. It was so I'm just like a fully turned off of horses at this point in my life. Like at what point did you say to shell the Hey, Shell I love you, but at this point like I just WanNa to be friends with the human horse to be honest I feel like the horse situation kind of stood in the way of us, becoming friends. Too much to get past so I was kind of like steering clear, but I hope she's listen you stick to what you love so I hope she's still out there. A galloping around the world. You know I'll say shops I can get into like the Kentucky Derby like when there's a horse about to win the triple crown, all of a sudden, your girls like the biggest horseracing racing fan. I got my hat on my up and I'm like. The Mitchell spewing. Okay before we get back to the show exciting news. Day ahead of this year's elections. The team at crooked has been hard at work to try to find the best ways for all of you to impact. It's results aside of course from casting your own ballot now they have an answer vote save America's brand new adopt state program, the adopt a state program lets you directly support the work of organizers, volunteers and candidates in the six key battleground states that will be the most important to. 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Okay, so let's get to today's story because this does somehow tie I promise today. Sorry is dedicated to shelby one thousand percent. But it's it's got some serious tiger king vibes, if I may except for this is more like if Joe Exotic, was weird millionaire and raising show horses instead of Tigers Gotcha. Retina today I'm going to take you on a little journey through the seedy underbelly of the Horse. World can way which admittedly I knew zip about, but for listening a horse bit me i. know nothing else except for their aggressive when it comes to apple's. You know I'm so excited because I feel like some of these. I know the sport better and I love the ones where I don't 'cause you learn so absolutely and we're going to learn a lot today. This story has got everything my friend. It's got rich people who have too much time and money on their hands, which are usually disaster. It's got a missing woman, a bunch of horses and mood. This is definitely one of the darkest biggest scandals in equestrian sports I. don't know how many scandals are in Austrian sports, but this is one of the larger ones I can promise you that. So before we dive in a paint, you a little picture show horse. World is all about if you're unfamiliar. This sport is fancy. A F. and I should mentioned show horses and horse racing with a mint. juleps is very different, okay? We. Talk show horses, okay. The most popular competitions in the show horse world are dressage I've heard hunter jumper. Okay, okay, we're. We're already boozy world. If we're saying we're like so this is like where they're wearing like a like a Tuxedo on the Horse, maybe like a nice braid like the horses nicer hair than I do which is often or am I thinking of Jane austen movie I don't know. Fettes at fit so dressage hunter jumper there essentially a bunch of different types of ways to show off. How fancy your horse is in like the tricks that you've taught them to do. That's awesome. Somebody is going to listen to this podcast and be so into recession hunter jumper, and they are going to nail me online so I'm so sorry if I'm not, you know this is like when I covered the dog show for Fox, sports and Anytime I made a joke. They were like so pissed about it. That's why I've been apologize in advance. Get Ready Rachel, get. The show horse. World isn't just a sport. It's like a lifestyle people who love it love it and entry into this world has a very expensive price tag. The sport is governed by the United States equestrian. Federation, but appetizer story. They were called the American show. Horse Association. So this is like legit. It's got rules. It's got people judge. It's a thing at the highest echelons of the sport equestrian or shelling out like a hundred and fifty thousand, two hundred thousand for just the horse alone, so you can kind of imagine the types of people that are in this world. World you know, share can so honored fifty, two, hundred thousand, but there are some people who are absolute like baller writers out there who spend millions to guarantee a winning stallion and taking care of these horses is like a whole other ballgame horse maintenance can cost upwards of one hundred thousand dollars a year and includes training. Ferrier's who are people who take care of the hooves, hooves, hood, hooves, hooves, hubs, hooves, whatever transportation a stable maintenance all of it, and like anything that is extremely valuable show. Horses are actually ensured that you didn't know that like beyond say's legs. Injured thanks, so they should be yeah, so these very expensive. Horses need people to take care of them. which is you know sometimes? Over Then, also like picking up Poop, which I seriously doubt rich people are doing the people that are doing the hard work are called stable hands. There are two different sides to the horse. World like I was saying there's like the Glam side, lights, camera action, and then there's the other side, the ones who can't afford to own them, and so they still want to be involved somehow, so they work there. They worked with the horses. One of these people was a man named Tommy. Burns we don't know much about his early life besides the fact that he ran away from home at fifteen, but what we do know is when he got married. He started working with horses. He bought and sold horses. He ran a stable for his in laws and quickly learn the INS and outs of show horses. He traveled the Equestrian Circuit with a portable saddle shop. Okay, he's an entrepreneur. And he transported horses in his semi-truck across the country. Tommy had a reputation for a no nonsense. Tough Guy. You ask them to do something he did it take. You had a shit together. In one thousand, nine hundred to Tommy found himself working for a man named James Druk James Own Eagle cress farm in Ocala Florida, which is an area known and celebrated for thoroughbred Horse Breeding James was a big deal in those parts, because not only was he an owner. He was also an equine lawyer who specialized in equestrian insurance. These horses have their own lawyers their own insurance. They're volun-. Hey, go horses. Not, know that that existed before reading the story I can't believe that that position in the world. There's a lawyer who specializes in horse insurance. Yeah, exactly was what you would call an affluent horse man. Hello Nice to meet you. I'm an affluent harassment I'm sure he's awesome. He sounds like a fun time at a party. That's like another way to say. Maybe this guy's induce bag. I'm guessing I don't even know the stories going. Maybe he's the greatest i. Think you might be on par with that? And of course such a man would gift his daughter the perfect Horse James. Purchased Prize Jumper Henry. The Hawk for what I'm sure was very deserving. Daughter Lisa Drek for a cool one, hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Wow I like blackmail my dad into buying an ipod when I was younger. For my daughter's birthday. We just got her like a video of Elsa Sang Happy Birthday. We're like which was pretty soon. SLIP SLIDE! I would prefer that over expensive. Horse, fair but you're not Lisa. tritter Lisa loved Henry Okay. They competed together, and they developed a really strong bond and show horse of and out on the farm. She adored him. He was her bff. She would like comb his hair doolittle braise. Maybe put a little bow in it, K- it was adorable. A couple of years after purchasing Henry James, her dad fell onto some hard times and was strapped for cash. He was probably thinking to himself shit. Maybe I shouldn't have spent one hundred fifty thousand dollars on a horse slash all of a sudden a slip inside sounding awesome. His first thought was to sell Henry by. The offer was only one hundred twenty five thousand dollars. I guess horses depreciate cars, Gotcha which is Gross James, was not having it key needed the four hundred and fifty thousand dollars, and he needed a s a P. Gotcha he's not GonNa Lose Twenty Five Thousand Dollars Henry, not going to are being a Horse Insurance Attorney James. James of course had the horse insured for the full one hundred and fifty thousand dollars, which gave him the idea that truly any psychotic person would naturally have what if I murder, my horse and stage death to look like a died of natural causes then I could collect the hundred and fifty. How probably bum out my daughter, but whatever we'll be in the clear. I know like shelby. If you're listening to this, just a heads up, this is about to take a dark turn. Okay, well, we were right that wealthy horse guy is a good euphemism for asshole. Do Chat James is an owner though he owns Henry, so there's no way he could carry out the killing himself. It's just his daughter's beloved horse and Dirtbag, so we offered told me some CA- sheesh to get the job done Hami with the Saddles Tommy with the Saddles the Entrepreneur Gotcha. I Hate I hate hate hate that I have to explain this further, but it is vital to the story. The best way to kill a horse is to elect them no visible trace, apparently, not even like the best vets would be able to detect signs of electrocution, and it's allegedly painless. A lot of the insurance companies attributed a death like this to call it. Colic is the leading cause of death amongst domesticated horses and encompasses a variety of abdominal issues. It's basically like a catch off. A horse suddenly dies. How did know it's painless? They're like. This her. They don't yeah allegedly, but they don't. James was oddly knowledgeable about how to precisely electrocute a horse. I think we've already established that he is a psychopath. He knew how to cut extension cords into two separate strands of wire how to attach clips to the Horse? Like? Why does attorney no these I? Don't even know how to jump a car this second. You're the kind of person who would give your daughter a pet and then murder it for money. All bets are off. You're trash. You're fucking the worst person absolutely monster, so he passed along all of his knowledge to Tommy. Who would then carry out the kill? So one night when Lisa was off gallivanting with her boyfriend, apparently, they were apparently in the back of his pickup truck. Tommy quietly slipped into Henry. The Hawks Barn, armed with the deadly equipment. He set it all up exactly how James? Todd plugged the wire into the wall socket and step back. The horse was killed instantly. And when Lisa found out, she was devastated James. collected the money like the dirtbag he is. Tommy found himself a brand new profession horse murder holy. Shit Holy Shit is right Oh. Here's an aside. Lisa the daughter later changed her name to real hunter and real hunter was the woman who famously had an affair with disgraced former senator John Edwards, while his wife was dying of cancer. Is this girl? You know what it all stems back to this moment? What's up with this family? Imagine if your dad is that it's hard to start to recover. Okay back to the start. The equestrian world is small and news of Tommy's new skill spread fast, and all of a sudden he was in business, because as it turns out the extremely wealthy, only care about one thing making more money show horse owners didn't view their horses as the magnificent creatures that they are. They just looked at them as dollar signs. Basically I feel like this is basically like a little microcosm of our country right now anyway. Listen we're here. Shall we dive into that later? We're here to escape so just. Let's move forward. You can hear that own pop save America later. Among the equestrian community Tommy was dubbed the sand man because when he showed up at your stable, you knew some horses. We're going to sleep she for the next decade. When a rich asshole show horse owner needed a quick return on their horse, either because they bought an overvalued horse or strapped for cash, they would call one guy enter Sandman. What a bunch of SOCIOPATHIC MONSTERS! Seriously so Tommy had his. His business to a science with his Duffel bag of electrical equipment, he would travel around the country, answering the call of owners who needed his help me wasn't bad either. He would usually get around ten percent for the insurance price on the Horse, so he could be walking away with anywhere from five thousand dollars to forty grand. He said he made forty grand one time. Let's talk about this for. For a second, so our Guy James Biza, horace, for one hundred fifty thousand dollars could sell it for one twenty five unwilling because he would lose twenty five grand in asking Tommy to kill the horse. He pays him. Let's say ten percent is twelve point five grand. Wow, no fifteen grand. Oh my God, so he saved ten thousand dollars. That's it. That's disgusting. Thank you for the quick map for A. A stable hand Tommy was doing pretty well. Yeah, except for the minor inconvenience of electric heating, a horse I would say major major inconvenience which is I. Think we've established can take a toll on you. Mentally I would hope, but he was seemingly living up pretty good life. He was traveling around the show horse circuit, making a ton of money and getting away with it for a long time. Tommy off in this is. I can't keep on saying this is disgusting, but just truly know that that's what I'm thinking in my head Tommy often had repeat customers. One Guy Hired him fifteen fucking times fifteen. It's fifteen years stopped buying horses yet. Yeah, just maybe take up something else. Fuck up stamps other cheap. These people weren't just random rich people either the types of customers Tommy. Tommy had were the nation's leading trainers, owners and riders with influence in the community, and they were like a big deal and Tommy was starting to climb the ranks. He wasn't just a stable hand anymore. Tommy had created a very important role for himself in this community he knew their deepest darkest secrets obviously, and therefore had a lot of power again Tommy's. A terrible one that you go to. Tell me, did this for a very long time like I, said decades, working in the shadows of this very showy and industry, but it all came crumbling down when a new customer called him with a disturbing. Ask and I will get to that disturbing. ASK IN MEMENTO AFTER I ask you to buy these products. 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The colic in quotes her hat or This woman is just cheap and doesn't get a good insurance that covers everything. She got this shitty policy. Donna classic. Here's a thing that I wish I never knew. Horses cannot recover from broken legs. They've utilized. Tommy understood her request. He was going to have to break streetwise likes. He suddenly freaked out. Which is unlike Tommy at this point electrocuting horse shore, breaking their legs up bridge too far. I hesitate to say I. Get it in the sense that like the one thing is like. It sounds like quick and relatively painless, and the other one is just like hearing the snap of a bone I feel. So numb to doing the other one because he's been doing it so long that he says like Whoa this whole other ballgame, but also like fucking. Ultimately Tommy couldn't do it and drank himself into a stupor. Also can we just bring to light the fact that he was a stable hand before he started doing any of this stuff, he worked with horses for so long. I mean you can't do that without having compassion and like love for an animal, if you're working with them, and just like a connection and a connection, I mean I've looked into is in the Nabet me, but there was a brief connection if you in your arm, but still. So he knew he had to deliver somehow Gotcha. He's the Sandman after all, but he knew he couldn't carry out the murder himself so instead. He called on his friend Harlow to do it. Harlow agreed the hit was on that fateful, Friday night, February, second, nine, hundred, ninety one. It was raining, which was the perfect alibi. The conditions would make the injury. Look like streetwise had just taken a tumble off the ramp, getting into a trailer. At around ten PM that night Tommy and Harlow at Mrs Donna Brown stables. They loaded three horses into a trailer, prepping them for a transportation to Palm Beach. ooh, feel nauseous. When it was time for streetwise to be loaded up, Tommy knew what had to be done. He held the horse down in Harlow took a crowbar streetwise his leg. God in pain and shock, the horse broke free and bucked wildly through the stables parking lot. Tommy Harlow chased it closely behind once they got a hold of the Horse, they called the vet to come by. The Vet Bought Their Story and put the horse out of its misery. God so as messed up as it is, their plan went according to plan. It worked for them again, except for one little thing, unbeknownst to Tommy investigators for the Florida Department of Agriculture and consumer services acting on a tip where staking out the head, yeah. I needed a reprieve from the horrifying detail. For Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services A. Tommy and harlow thinking everything was on track drove away from the scene, but we're chase down and surrounded by local officials and were arrested immediately on the spot justice for streetwise. We stand all the. Department of Agricultural Services, Dan Etcetera, so the tip to the local officials was given to them by none other than the F. B. I. who had been investigating this case and trying to nab Tommy for a minute. Wow! So okay. How did the FBI? Look into Tommy and this whole thing well. We ought to take a brief pause from Tommy and his horrifying shenanigans. I'm ready for the break. Be Honest and I need to tell you about the case of a missing candy heiress, whose disappearance brought the F., B., i. to one Tommy Burns Lou. This is a pretty big sidebar, but I need you to stick with me because it all becomes full circle. Okay so anyway. I love love aside grabs him snacks. You're on the ride. Your already buckle, and you can't get out of the car I mean is there. Sidebar than a missing candy heiress, exactly of it, so the FBI had this cold case also involving horse fraud, involving missing heiress presumed murdered named Helen Brach her supposed murderer had been involved in a scheme where he sold overvalued show horses to vulnerable rich divorced women. His name was Richard Bailey. If I've learned anything from doing this podcast is there is so many shady people in the world now. My God like so many. Let's add rich course to the list, Ridge Horse people on the list which I guess, we guest, yeah. Could've guessed that one. This guy wormed his way into Helen Brock's life after her husband died, they were romantically involved and Helen ended up buying three of his horses for almost one hundred thousand dollars. I'm sorry what have maybe offering to pay for dinner. One time like I feel like that's like a chill thing to do when you start dating somebody. Might three of your horses. Thank you, thank you. Okay, so we have horses a budding romance. Totally Watch this movie on the Hallmark Channel. Thousand percent there was trouble in paradise daily had overvalued. Almost seventy thousand dollars. He completely ripped her off, and this wasn't the first time. This was not his first Rodeo. Okay, he had con. Twelve affluent widows divorce as into crappy investments imagine that fight. He's like. Listen I, love you. I'm in love with you, did I- swindle you out of seventy grant. I did, but that doesn't change inside my heart. So the relationship obviously ended up falling apart and Helen wasn't test and wanted to go to the State Attorney's Office and report him. Cut To nine hundred seventy seven two years later helen disappears. Suspect Numero Uno, our hallmark channel star Richard Bailey played by Peter Fashion Nellie. Sorry Peter. Seem great I in twilight, because that's a perfect CASTA yeah. Guy, I'm sure he's in betterment. We sent toilet. The cops about their rendezvous already Helen's complaints a few years after her disappearance someone even spray painted Richard Bailey knows where the body is in the front of his house spray-painted that I. Want to figure out what goes. On the Horse. So he denied it and the case went cold. This jetsam wack. Wasn't me Oh. Okay, let's go, was it? You know come on, come on, you know me. Okay go! Onto dinner. Good can I buy you dinner Uruses? FBI was on high alert about the worst industry. After all this they could tell. There was some shady business some shady people in this world. So when Tommy came onto the scene of bitch, they were ready They were DEA. So. Apparently, they had been following Tommy for months. At this point as his side, hustle was a bit of an open secret in the show Horse World Yeah I was GONNA. Say if he's like climbing up the rings. It means people are starting to know him. He's got a nickname like everyone's like. Oh, yeah, it's the same in the FBI that was called Project Sandman. Interested in men, so everyone everyone knew what was going on. And you somehow call yourself lovers I don't. I just don't get it? Shelby would be disappointed in all of you. We see you. We see you, we see. The FBI had been given a tip about the hit that was about to go down. They called the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services. We Stan. He loved them and they decide to stake out the stable and. What happened yesterday, but we don't need to go out and do that again. Yeah, I don't want to. So back to Tommy and Harlow, following the arrest, they were both thrown in jail, and Tommy lost his shit media. He was calling everybody all the big time. Clients asking for a bailout asking for help guess he's not going to show up for you, your Shitty Shitty Rich Horst. People nailed it. No one picked up his call. No one was willing to bail him out. And just like that Tommy went from everybody's guy to a nobody later. He said they made him feel something on the bottom of a writing well I'm guessing aiming shit. Safety. He means Shit. Shit Humans Horse Shit probably he means. Feeling betrayed Tommy was ready to talk, and so he did in exchange for a more lenient sentence Tommy cooperated full force. All these people deserve all of this all of the smoke. They deserve all of the smoke. Tommy cooperated full force and through every single person under the bus, giving names places, dates, conspirators co-conspirators of the whole Shebang Tommy spent three weeks in jail Russia. And was eventually released on one hundred thousand dollars cash bail under the promise that he would stay away for more. Listen as long as don't kill anymore horses. Your Life Guy. After his testimony, thirty six people were indicted and tried for Insurance Fraud Mail and wire fraud obstruction of justice, extortion racketeering, and of course animal cruelty of the thirty, six, thirty five were convicted. Love that who the what? They get away in the end. Tommy never served more time than those original three weeks in prison. The American show Horses Association was SOC icy. They handed out twenty three suspensions to the owners involved in that, is it? They weren't even banned just suspended. I'm sure you know what how a suspension works. You take some time off, and then you get to come right back. You come back and kill some more horses. So, apparently, this was a pretty normalized part of the world, and may even out with you rich horse. People were now with. We're not. We're not with you. and honestly this might not be the only time this happened this could. Just have a shitty end of the stick with our shores or racehorses. It's just heartbreaking what these animals have to go through. I WANNA. Be I WANNA. Be surprised about the story but I'm not ruthlessness ingred or the cornerstones of American society so. While the case of the horse murderers was closed. Sadly, our beloved Candy Heiress Helen, Brock's disappearance and probable murder was not though Richard Bailey. The prime suspect did thirty years in prison for defrauding Helen along with countless other women. The judge in the case also believed he had solicited her murder, though he was never convicted, but if it weren't for that case and Helen reworking some shifts from beyond the FBI would have never inquired into the equestrian world, and who are divorced Henry would never have been bought. He'd still be getting his hair braided by our girl. Real real would have gone on to live a beautiful ex. You probably wouldn't have changed her name. Terrell is one. Yeah. I mean who knows how many other horses would have died. This is a crazy story. That's it. That's all I got. This was the saddest thing that I've ever had to research I'm so sorry if you were sitting in your car listening to this podcast ball, your is it because you love horses more than anything that sucks, but I will say like everybody probably was missing that tiger king kind of story, and here you have it. And also I feel like I had no like I was going about my day. Not having any idea what the equestrian world is like really like and to get even a small. Listen I don't want to like. Put every equestrian into the same bag you said. They're not it should now, but it's good to be aware that is going on. C. Went on. Am I still be going on? We're watching you. We're literally watching your every single move from this day forward also by can get an amen. Hallelujah one more time for the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services. We are making t shirt I love it. It's so it just rolls right off the time. It sellable. Sellable easily on any shirt. It's so good. Shout Guy. I feel like he needs to take a shower episode. You know I mean it's you know. Every day's a reminder that rich people suck I guess. What do you think about truly? What do you think about the horse community like the raising? The equestrian were I mean this story doesn't make me feel great about them. Listen. It's already a homogeneous community. You're not seeing a lot of people of color up in their is like wealthy. In this weird way, it just shows you get to a certain level and your your money it just trump's your morality. It's very frustrating how I'm not. With the story I. Don't want to lump. Everyone in I'm sure there's some really good rich horse. People I'm sorry for you. Rich Horse People. The ones that are good guys earn rap getting a bad rap, but this is lousy I feel like there's nothing more beautiful than seeing a horse with like no crap on it, no nothing just like out in a field eating tae mining its own business just run majestic. You run like running biting Rachel's arm. I'll take the by. Get closer to the horse. You realize Rachel's friend Shelby I've gotten past. We should have had shall be called into this show shut of shelby. Again. We've said if you are like a horse lover and we've said something wrong. Apologies. We are not familiar. We're learning. But this story isn't healthy. Yeah. So that's all I got. We're going to be back next week with another story. We'll see you guys next week. Thanks guys. All of shame is a product of crooked media. The shows produced by Carolina Reston. Alison falls at our executive. Producers are Sarah Guys Mer Steven Hoffman engineering and sound design by tile segment in Charlotte. Landis music is by Takayasu Zoa. Thank you to Sydney. Rap and Brian Symbol for production support every week.

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SYMHC Classics: The Doctors' Riot of 1788

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23:39 min | 1 year ago

SYMHC Classics: The Doctors' Riot of 1788

"SMART is open open is smart. IBM is combining their industry expertise with the open source leadership of Red Hat. Let's unlock the world's potential essential. Let's put smart to work learn more at IBM. Dot Com slash red hat happy Saturday everybody earlier this week. We did an episode on Robert Liston who did groundbreaking work in the field of surgery in the nineteenth century but became better known for some really gruesome and possibly apocryphal moments in his career in that episode we very briefly mentioned the lack of cadavers available for medical study at that time and we mentioned that there was more on this in our prior episode on the doctors riot of seventeen eighty eight which came out on July sixteenth two thousand fourteen so we thought this would be perfect time to put that episode back into the feed. It's a story that combines medical history racism classism mob violence and changing attitudes about dissection and medical study daddy as a lot so enjoy welcome to stuff you missed in history class a production of iheartradio's how all stuff works welcomes. Wilson and I'm. I'm holly FRY so back with the podcast Sabas launched. We talked about a couple of times on the show on our twitter and stuff like that. It's been a while since we brought up up stones which is a comedy podcast about medical history. That's hosted by Sydney and Justin mcelroy and I was catching up on their show on the plane last week and I listened to their episode called Corpse Theft and the resurrection men which included among other things a little about the doctors riot of seventeen eighty gate which is what we're going to talk about today because it's sort of wetted my appetite talk more about that about that so if you've if you already listened to. Saban ones which I know some of our listeners do listen to saw bones. There's some crossover there. We are definitely going to talk in more detail about just the doctors riot and the the context that led up to it and this is definitely a different angle then saw bones so you you you know there's going to be new stuff in here. Even if you listened to hugh that episode so for context in seventeen sixty five North America got its first medical school at the College of Philadelphia and from the beginning medical students at the College of Philadelphia worked with patients at the Pennsylvania hospital gradually developing the blueprint for today's medical schools and teaching hospitals roles as program wasn't to be person's sole source of medical education though and the same was true of other medical schools that opened up during the colonial period and after the Revolutionary War at this point most people became doctors through apprentice ships and America's first medical schools were intended to be this sort of period of additional focused study for people who had already finished their apprenticeships. They already effectively were doctors before they even went to medical medical school. There was also a lot of anatomical study on cadavers in these programs only idea that doctors needed to learn anatomy and dissecting cadavers was a good way to do you this had become really prevalent during the eighteenth century though thing that had not become really prevalent was a big supply of cadavers to dissect the idea of donating your body to science really did not exist at this point. most colonies either had no laws governing how bodies these might be used for medical study or they specifically prohibited certain uses for example dissecting bodies there was definitely no regulation of how cadavers might be legally obtained and delivered so schools needed these bodies for legitimate study but they had no legal channels to get them clus us there were all kinds of religious and cultural taboos that made people pretty opposed to the idea of having their bodies cup cut up examined after they were dead among Christians spins and Jews. The body was sacred various Christian denominations believed being cut up after death was sacrilegious and it would prevent them from getting into heaven and or from being resurrected on Judgment Day similar beliefs about the sacredness of the body also ran through African traditions that slaves had brought with them him and being doctor at this point in time did not have the prestige in the cloud that it does today at least in the Western world so people were not particularly Hughley inclined to go against all of these layers of taboo to let their bodies be cut up by doctors and it didn't help the British medical schools have been using using executed criminals for their dissections so this made American communities associate being dissected with being a criminal would being punished although although it was illegal there were some schools that got their bodies from prisons and alms houses and other institutions they would covertly by the bodies of people people who had died before they even were buried but really the primary source of cadavers for a really long time was grave robbing and and this of course had its own social and religious implications so churchyards were and remain for many people sacred bodies sacred so digging up bodies out of graveyards and cutting them up was a gross offense it may doctors who already were particularly well respected seemed like they had just this wanton wanton disregard for human life in just no regard for basic decency there were doctors and students who dug up their own cadavers but they mostly outsource that work worked people who were known as Resurrection Est.. Who did the actual grave robbing. I feel like this would be a great series. On one of the secondary channels calls the resurrection exists. They had this process. The resurrection is down to a science so at this point embalming was not widely used it you you know had culturally in history it had happened many places but in terms of like the modern approach to it that was not really common so these guys had to work quickly ideally within hours hours of burial it was kind of like a heist movie accepted involved greaves instead of like a bank and instead of digging up the whole length of the casket they'd work just from the head and they would weaken one end of the casket by drilling holes in it before bashing it in and just pulling the body out through the hole with hooks getting in and out of the place within an hour and timing the passing assing of their getaway vehicle so they could slip the body into it and escape the graves that were at the biggest risk of being robbed or the ones that belong to poor people and slaves and these are the people who were least likely to have someone watching out for the grave after the people died and both of these places the resurrection. EST did not I'd have to be quite as on the ball with their you know their their heist shenanigans because most of the people who were being buried in cemeteries for the poor and for slaves it didn't have the money to buy a coffin they were buried directly in the dirt and the words of Harriet Martineau who was writing an account of a trip in the eighteen hundreds hundreds quote in Baltimore. The bodies of colored people exclusively are taken for dissection because the whites do not like it and the colored people cannot resist list so although the overwhelming majority of stolen bodies were those of black people in poor people having money or status was not necessarily yeah protection high profile body thefts made headlines such is the time that a search party found the body of John Harrison who was son of President William. I'm Henry Harrison and father of President Benjamin Harrison at a medical college in Cincinnati. This meant that people could afford it would bury their loved ones in these sealed old iron coffins or they would surround the whole gravesite in this metal cage that covered the whole thing some of them who had the money to even hired armed guards words to watch over their newly buried bodies and regardless of who you were your body really was not safe from theft until it had been in the ground for about two weeks in the winter shorter in the summer at which point it would be too decomposed to be dissected before we move onto exactly what was happening in. New New York at the time of this particular riot have a brief moment for word from sponsor. This episode is brought to you by the rolling stone charts. Rolling Stone is the definitive outlet for all things music bringing you. The latest news interviews and reviews rolling stone is your go-to source to learn everything about groundbreaking artists and now rolling stone is going even further further to show you what it means to be on the rise introducing the rolling Stone Charts and Interactive Seta Music Charts that offer an indepth view of the biggest songs albums and artists in music the rolling Stone Orange Arts are the definitive guide for trending breaking popular music in the age of streaming his at rolling stone dot com slash charts or search charts in New York where the riot that we're talking about today took place a major source of bodies for cadaver study study was the Potter's field where the poor and the unknown were buried in unmarked graves the other big source was the Negros burial ground which was kind of coincidentally quite close to New York hospital nearly all of New York City's black population was buried in Negros burial ground. There was only one church that very black people people in a segregated churchyard in it charged a fee to do so as body theft from the Negros burial ground became more and more commonplace freed slaves waves would actually buy land to use his private cemeteries. This didn't necessarily help since these private burial grounds sometimes became targets of their own New New York City's demand for all these cadavers came from two sources. One was its medical school at Columbia College and the other was Richard Bailey who was a doctor actor from Connecticut and he was teaching not for credit medical classes at New York Hospital which we just mentioned was very close to the Negros burial ground and that made the Negros burial ground an easy target for grave robbers so both freed people and slaves in New York at this time had become increasingly upset set the prevalence of gray brown grave robbing from the black burial spaces in early February of seventeen eighty eight a group of two thousand slaves and one thousand freed read people began petitioning the city's Common Council including the mayor and Alderman not for the grave robbing to stop but for it at least to be carried out in a decent and respectful tactful way this petition read in part most humbly serves we declare that it has lately been the practice of a number of young gentlemen in this city lady who call themselves students of the physic- to repair to the burying ground assigned for the use of your petitioners under cover of night in the most wanton sally's as of excess they dig up bodies of our deceased friends and relatives of your petitioners carrying them away without respect for age or sex mangle goal their flesh out of a wanton curiosity and then expose it to beasts and birds. Your petitioners are well aware of necessity of physicians and surgeons consulting wanting dead subjects for the benefit of mankind. Your petitioners do not presuppose it as an injury to the deceased would not be adverse to dissection in particular circumstances. Arkham stances that is if it is conducted with the decency and propriety which the solemnity of such occasion requires your petitioners do not wish is to impede the work of these students of the physics but most humbly pray your honors to take our case into consideration and adopt such measure as May seem seemed to prevent further abuses in the future. Their petition was ignored but on February twenty. I so only a couple of weeks later. The daily advertiser published an anonymous report about how quote few blacks are buried whose bodies are permitted did to remain in the grave and quote through the rest of February in part of March the daily advertiser went onto publish really horrifying accounts of grave desecration the creation and body theft and then things came to a head in April wrong. There are several conflicting reports of exactly what started the riot Riet so it's not completely clear exactly what happened but there are three pretty common elements among all the various retailing's the first is that on April April thirteen some doctors in their teacher. Were dissecting a cadaver in a lab at New York Hospital. The second is that by some means or another a boy got a glimpse glimpse of what was going on through the window and the doctor saw him in the third is that one of the surgeons probably an attempt to scare the boy off waved the cadavers arm at him and some versions of the story. One of the doctors shouted that it was the boy's mother's arm and by coincidence president. This boy's mother had died very recently. This version of the story usually goes on to say that the boy ran home and told his father who exhumed his mother's grave grave only to find it empty. That seems like a lot of things that had to happen just that way yeah. It feels like an urban legend yeah. Something definitely happened to spark the whole riot but this particular her version of the story is completely retold but I I read a couple of things that kind of went back through all of the earliest correspondents and news reports we there's not actual documentation of exactly what really tipped the scale but regardless of how exactly this whole thing started a mob soon descended upon New York Hospital in a letter to Virginia Governor Edmund Randolph Colonel William. Heft described it this way the cry of barbarity Birdie and etc was soon spread the young sons of Galen fled ev redirection. One took refuge in a chimney. The mob raised and the hospital hospital apartments were ransacked in the anatomy room were found three fresh bodies one boiling a kettle and two others cut up with certain parts of the two sex hanging up in a most brutal position the circumstances together with the Watson and apparent inhuman complexion the room exasperated the mob beyond all bounds the total destruction of every anatomy in the hospital and while many of the doctors and the teachers did indeed flea some stayed behind to try to protect the cadavers the other specimens in the teaching materials but the mob that arrived at the hospital dragged all of this out into the street and they set it on fire they they also reburied the bodies that had not been dissected yet. The Mayor James Duane arrived with the sheriff and put the doctors and teachers into protective custody at the jail Dale. This calmed things down a little bit but during the night medical students from Columbia fearing that their school was going to be the next target when into the school to hide all of their anatomical materials and cadavers they would not be burned and destroyed as well and this turned out to be a fortunate move. Who've since during the night to medical students George Swinney and Isaac Gano broke into a churchyard and stole the body of a well known white woman which meant that the mob that form the next morning was immense and furious. It's swelled to about five thousand people. This mob was bound and determined to find and destroy anything anything that was being used for anatomical study at Columbia so they searched the entire college including the dorms and they went on to search doctors homes one person they they ran across was even beaten solely for wearing black which was the color that the doctors usually war and when the mom found nothing they all ended up going to the jail where they started an assault on the building with rocks and bricks they tore down the gallows to use the wood as a weapon as the rocks and the bricks broke broke windows and made their way into the cells where people were being held the doctors and the students started collecting them along with broken glass to defend themselves in this riot went on for another full day until the governor called out the militia they brought in a brigade and artillery and the ensuing melee. It's a similarly not clear exactly what happened but ultimately at least three rioters and three militiamen were killed. The final death toll is often cited at twenty and afterwards residents of New York doubled down on their efforts to protect the bodies of the dead armed groups call all dead guardmen started to keep watch over Cemeteries Bailey in the other doctors fudged the truth by saying they had never asked anyone to steal a body from one of the city's graveyards the reason this was not really on the up and up was the Potter's field and the Negro burial ground were both outside of the city limits and in fact at this point black people could only be buried outside the city limits so what they were saying with technically true but it was really pretty easily yes yes there was a grand jury investigation but no charges seemed to have been filed and no one was convicted possibly because both the rioters and the doctors were breaking breaking the law this riot apart from destroying anatomical equipment and samples and causing some deaths. I had some ongoing ramifications which talk about afterward from sponsor. This episode is brought to you by the Rolling Stone Charts Rolling Stone donuts definitive outlet for all things music bringing you the latest news interviews and reviews rolling stone is your go-to source to learn everything about groundbreaking artists and now rolling stone is going even further to show show you what it means to be on the rise introducing the rolling Stone Charts and Interactive Seta Music Charts that offer an in-depth in the moment view of the biggest songs albums and artists in music the rolling stone charts are the definitive guide for trending breaking popular music in the age of streaming his at rolling stone dot com slash charts or search. Rs Charts and so the doctors riot which was in seventeen eighty eight was only one of the anatomy riots in the United States between seventeen sixty five eighteen fifty four. There were at least seventeen of them. They took place primarily in New England where most of the medical colleges were at the time hi but they were also riots as far. West as Ohio and Illinois and these were not at like fly by Night Shady Schools in an eighteen eighteen twenty four riot the target of his mob aggression was actually Yale University and January of seventeen eighty nine which was the year after the the doctors ride in New York took place the New York legislature passed laws that made gray bribing illegal and they earmarked certain crimes as being punishable by quote whoa dissection after death so there would be a legal supply of bodies but this didn't provide enough bodies for the medical study that was going on so the grave robbing did continue particularly in Potter's fields and Black Cemeteries Massachusetts passed a law making it legal to dissect unclaimed bodies in eighteen thirty thirty one New York did the same thing in eighteen fifty four but other laws were a little bit slower in coming by nineteen thirteen Louisiana and in Alabama still had no legal way for medical schools to obtain cadavers while most other states have passed laws allowing unclaimed bodies donated bodies and the bodies of executed acute criminals to be dissected even then the bodies that were being selected in medical schools were disproportionately those of poor people and minorities. He's so they were people who couldn't afford burials or their families could afford to claim their bodies and grave robbing for cadaver purposes continued in the United States until until the nineteen twenties in the nineteen sixties and nineteen seventies the medical establishment work to change people's perceptions of dissection and of donating bodies to science in Nineteen Sixty eight the national conference of the commissioners on uniform state laws approved the uniform Anatomical Gift Act or you Aga and this made donating your body a choice and a gift and it also gave the person who was doing the donating so the person whose body it actually was the ultimate say in what would happen to them so if you wanted to donate your body it would be donated even if your next of kin objected to the choice that you had made almost every state had had adopted this law or something very similar to it within a few years and today bequests actually make up the large majority of cadavers which completely changed the demographic of dissect the bodies and medical schools one of my sources cited a personal communication indication from somebody at Duke University Medical School from about ten years ago and at that point according to this personal correspondence like the cadavers at Duke you were overwhelmingly those of Caucasian people I could not find statistics for like the broader all of United States medical school or in general people who are donating their bodies but this whole shift in it from being a thing that happens to you if you can't afford to be buried to a thing you choose to you do totally changed the whole picture of it just very fascinating stuff and kind kind of gruesome it is but you know it's good that people recognize the science needs their body after they have shuffled off this mortal coil. 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Mark Scott on stepping outside the echo chamber

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51:06 min | 1 year ago

Mark Scott on stepping outside the echo chamber

"This is an ABC podcast. Mark Scott was appointed the managing director of the back in two thousand six the world around him was changing just a few months. After Mack started Steve Jobs from apple to the stage in the United States to introduce three new apple products things. Wide-screen ipod touch controls, a revolutionary mobile phone, and a breakthrough internet communications device an ipod a phone and an internet communicator, an ipod. These are not three separate devices one device. Falling. I phone. Two Streep being made right there. Mark Scott that the through ten years of dramatic change in the media landscape, and like many of us every time a new shiny thing. Arrived from the future. Mocks? I thought was how good is this? And he's sick and was how should the engage with it marks was all over social media and Twitter as were other ABC people like my call, then sales and crab in me. And it was a fun. Exciting place to be. But now Twitter is a headache inducing cesspit of rage and self righteousness. Facebook is becoming a propaganda tool for some of the worst people in the world and as David Gillespie pointed out yesterday teenagers are stuck poking at screens when they should be at flooding and getting into trouble much. What is now the secretary of the New South Wales department of education, and he's having some second thoughts about the little screens in his life that seemed to demand his attention all the time. And he wants us to step outside beyond their own little echo, chambers and reconnect with physical communities. He's written a little book about this. It's called on us. Welcome back. Good to be here. Chin everyone used to have an opinion on the when you worked here. Now, you're in the department of education, and everyone's got an opinion on schools. Don't they can you ever go out? Do you go to parties anymore? Well, I think they trained for a been trained for dogmatic. Opinions. I used to say that when the even Christmas lunch was I- I- audience feedback as the family guy ran the family. And that told me what they liked didn't. Like, I had to explain about mother that some of the AG comedy that was a popping up in prompt on wasn't really designed for the origin area and audience, and you know, she might just have to accept that. Everybody has view anybody has of you on schools because everybody went to school and part of the challenge and everyone have you on schools is that your schooling experience. My schooling experience was several decades ago and. We don't judge the medical system on how medicine was forty years ago. There's back to basics view in medicine. And but it's still is Beck devices few in education. So I get a bit of that from time to time you've had a life in media and in education this too was that the family experience was that your family's business. If you like growing up, not particularly my my grandfather was on. My father's side was a management consultant. And so worked in business had a, you know, private sector management consultancy firm, one of the list and Australia. But he did these reviews government he was on government committees and government tusks sin and a number of them are on the big issues that I will struggle in the post war era, and the one that generated most attention was on moving to decimal currency moving Australia from pants shillings paints to decimal currency in the mid sixties. And some my earliest memories memories of him in the media trying to explain to a stroller about the new money that would be in the shops and in the banks and in their pipette. It's everyone who chose vast transformation. Shen of the country. I think there's a whole lot of baby boomers who could still sing the jingle in which went along to click guy the other she is on the Ford, enter February not insects six. That's that was the tag law, and there was a character dollar Bill who Bill della Bill was created to explain the new currency to run. Our remember that is a as a young kid. My father also as management consultant, and he he has done a number of significant reviews for government has willed. So so hated a big review on the further New, South Wales education system in the light eighties on the school system and the type system and finally enough to dick is for that. My grandfather done a review on class sizes for the New South Wales government. So in a way. Yes, there's been education engagement from both my father, and my grandfather in my wife is the principle of of a school by the my sister's work in school. So there's been a lot about education, but I suppose when it came to actually working in the media was the first one to kind of guide down that right with politics and public service part of the dinner party. Compass dinner table conversations when your kid, I think politics in a sense, not in a partisan, y no no Nadia logical. Why? But almost like an close observation since you know, I remember the kid, you know, my father would start fleeing general general knowledge questions around the table, you know, who'd been following the news who knew what had been happening. So we kinda watched and observed and certainly with my father, and my grandfather, there was a strong strain of public service. And so when the government called the prime minister premier cold wanting you to serve in a way to do a review to do an inquiry to provide some research, then you'd answer that coal, and that was important thing. And for them this mix of public sector experience, private sector work was very much part of the model or so growing up and to agree. That's what I've done to I worked in providence. Anita media public made here now working in the education department, what kind of family speculations, but put on you, you expect to go into politics. Public service business the church or now. No, actually, very few. Really? I think you know, as provided it with a very supportive environment education was valued. I think we're expected to kinda work hard. But there was never a sense of. Yeah. These careers, not these careers. My father did ask, you know, when I was in my early twenties ask my brother in may, whether we'd be interested in going into this management consultancy business, and at that time the prospect of putting on a suit and a tie guide. The office was the furthest thing from my mind. So now there was there was no real sense of expectation. But those essense would find Erin why would be encouraged to find out why and go on why. But I think I think I I clearly learned a lot by watching head. I went to bed and what she with both my father, my grandfather how stimulated and interested. They were in the work and the challenges that came that way, the people that I can make and finally the contribution. I could make too big ideas and big issues that would affect a lot of people. I've never followed a vocational starring off sort of banged around and whatever's made me curious. Yeah. And sort of enthusiastic about is that you were you follow to stop nine. All I think there's a line. I think it's paraphrase of cooking that talks about a lot has to be lived moving forward, but can be only understood looking backwards. And so I think my career path is anything, but Linnea I can look back and see a pet, and and I remember when I was studying America, those are professor who really gave me good advice because I think I was really struggling with of what am I gonna do? You know, what is that thing? It was like this destiny defined he explained to me that a career is really about getting skills and experiences that China's you and Mike you different, but put you in a position to get different opportunities, which will give you different skills and experiences, and it's like a tool kit that you that grows as your career grows, but it's it's hardly Linnea. So I'm even now I'm drawing on the things that I let thirty years ago when I worked in education policy for the New South Wales. Government on learning about things live here at the IB. See? When you're a leading big organization the public. Hi, I'm drawing on things that I when I was at Fairfax and dealing with digital transformation and change. So it's all stuff you pick up and go along, but I've never really had eighty clarity at old as to what the next job you studied at the Kennedy School of government at Harvard. I think I only lint that existed in my twenties and thirties. Wow. Yeah. I would love to have gone there. That would have been amazing. What kind of people were in the room when you were doing that? Yeah. Well, you know, one of my one of my classmates study group was a member of the Kennedy family, which was you know, very American experience. You know, he's on cool. Was, you know, John F Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy 'cause Donald Trump there signs signs of Donald Trump, nor members of his family. But but it was a really interesting eclectic international class. It was one of the most international con of groups that comes together at hobbit. And so you'd have a lot of people who would guide back to their countries and be president soy heads of the public service or take leading roles and numbers who actually went on to political careers in the USO is a very broad and interesting group of a group of students with a pretty broad slide of subjects you could you could study. And and really it was a bet shaping the thinking of future leaders, but future leaders who are going to invest in the public policy spies quite different to that degree too. What was happening across the river at the Harvard Business School, which was really a big fading grand for the investment banks and the management consultancy firms and the like it was a very eclectic interesting class, and you'd learn as much from the experiences of your other classmates who come from Russia from China or from various letting American or African states as you would from the professes. It was a tremendous experience for me. I think arguably that business school had a big effect on the world than the school of government that business school is the reason why we talk about key performance indicators sick to performance three three sixty degree performance reviews. All that kind of jog, and that's gone from business to the broader world to the odds to some much of life comes from what I would say is a pretty malignant influence from that business school. I I it's interesting. I mean, I live with a whole lot of that stuff. And and it was when I was working with Jim Spiegelman. He was chairman of the board. I'm Jim, you know, one of the great legal minds of the last fifty years in Austria. Area. And it was Jim who really caught him tried to me. That's just a language United. That's just a fat. He was very very cynical and very very skeptical of a whole lot of that stuff. And it might be posing very think of it was ethics. A big part of your education at the Harvard School of government to agree. The this certainly were there they were I think some of the most important programs were on ladyship and reflecting on leadership and the cons of leadership. I increasingly I've come to view that in with leadership the lead the Paris with the follow not the leader that really because the parents with people decide whether they're going to follow you will not you the kind of person that people are gonna wanna fellow. And I think you can have a lot of talk about organizational values, we had them here at the have gotten in the department of education, but really the values that count the values that people see when actually watch you. And I look at you and Saudi are they gonna follow you, do they believe? What you're saying? Is there a credibility gap between the values your spouse and have I so you operate everyday particularly under pressure. And so that reflective being reflectively thinking, very deliberatively about leadership and the ethical framework. That's important part of that that was ebbs Lutely a central theme that kind through the Kennedy school's work. What's more important for later a first right temperaments were I right intellect. All I actually think official temperament that's the famous line. Isn't it? Think about Franklin Roosevelt and two degree. I take this view about leadership teams. I think you've got to be broad and clever. You gotta you gotta be able to read a brief and understand that you've got to be able to identify the silent issues. But, but I've often said that on top leadership teams, you get to a certain point and all would tried occupants Iki points, you know, the ability to raider room, the ability to listen, well, the ability to have deepened Pathy, I think these are the real characteristics of ladyship and went on running leadership programs. My senior team in that apartment. That's all the stuff with Ka-sing on. I will bring technical expertise. They will know about education though, no about assessment policy, they'll know about willed vein programs. They'll know they technical stuff. But the thing that really makes it affected and transformational those temperamental questions, and that that emotional intelligence that people talk about and I think that's the whole knock of leaders. And I think ladies who often full they can be very very broad their inability to work with people to understand people in phony to get people to follow them is what makes relationship failure. You can have the smartest pilots in the world. But if things go wrong, and he starts running. She runs running down the all screaming, we're gonna crash. That's that's that's not much. I remember I gave a speech some years ago, which was just after win Kevin Rudd and Malcolm Turnbull had both lost the leadership's first time. So this is two thousand nine two thousand ten maybe. And I was just. Thinking about the fact that you could argue that they were both leaders of the generation for the parties. Really? But what they both fill fell of those in the room, you know, in the potty room, and you had this disconnect really from the electric that said, well, they sing k, but the party room saying, no, and fundamentally you're billeted to lead that group of people who are right there in front of you and to take them where you wanna go. It's the toughest form of leadership and its way many latest come acropora, Mike you work for Wallison advisor to New South Wales. Education minister, Terry mineral back in the day on the ground and governments. And then you went to Fairfax where you work there as a journalist and editor in the education area. And this was in the days when newspapers were still a really big deal. Particularly those big metro broadsheets in Sydney with the city morning. Harold melvin. It was the and various advertise. Do you remember the we'd feels weird being the standard about this the power that that such big broadsheets head to influence the life of the city and identify where Powell was absolutely and you had great journalists some of whom still they're like climate, but Evan Whitton arrange of others who threw big investigations, really, Sean a spotlight on the city and reveal the city to the people who lived here, and that was part of the whole Mark. And I think grinded those who recruited me John Alexander net share of Cran, but he was a great editor. And that sense of being on the pulse of the city and me out the put in the pipe make a decision in the afternoon about the placement of stories in the pipe that everyone would be talking about the next day that was part of the total genius. I remember just when I started. I mean, it's quite funny right for the pipe. And you know, the magic happens. I've been audits on everyone's loan the next day. And you kind of it was it was the year before feedback, you know, before Twitter would erupt or you'd get text messages in the lucky kinda wonder who you are delivering this fall. And so you might get feedback from people on the floor all some friend might coal. You wanna but really it was at at into the vacuum. Our mimic going to the printing plant and being there one fraud. I not to see half a million newspapers published, and it just blew my mind to just have that visual representations the printing presses were the size of a couple of football fields. And to see hundreds of thousands of newspapers going across the roof of that massive printing press and realizing there were literally hundreds and hundreds of trucks backed up to take those newspapers to every part of the state, and it was like an independence in particular Saturday piper, which I aided for wall. An indispensable part of the life of the city on Saturday morning. And it wasn't just the news. It was what else was in it. It was impossible to really contemplate buying a house in Sydney buying a cow or getting a job without picking up a copy of the Senate I- Sydney Morning Herald, and it was a phenomenon. And that's what might you know, one of the wealthiest news pipes in the in the rudder members things of analysis that said that faith X would make five million dollars prophet every Saturday through that Saturday Sydney Morning Herald. I don't think I knew that. Really? I mean, I'd knew that. But I didn't really knew that what that paper and the other papers were at the time was essentially a gigantic trading post, but the news tech onto it. I realize it to is actually when I came to the piper one was that the amount of spice for news was tidily determined by how much advertising there wasn't the pipe. I wasn't really based on was there. A lot of news about you just squeezing it in between the ads and the other thing that I can realize the economics that really what customers were paying of the Canada the pipe. Really on a rule of thumb Representative at twenty percent of the income for the pipe. And so it actually credited problems down the track when that advertising FILA, and you ask the audiences to pay more because if you have been educated that was worth a buck. But really you getting five dollars of value for that Dullah. You don't think it's worth five dollars with one dollars because it was subsidized was subsidized by all the advertising, and none of us. None of us is rate is on the stood any of that. I remember seeing copies of the New York Times, the sil- in Central News agencies in Melbourne, for example, and be at righteously expensive righteously added died and written about this as well that that feeling of the new times this kind of exotic object and the music express getting months-old yappy to that find out what was really big in the music scene in London at that moment. Well, yeah, I remember as pretentious teenagers subscribing to the New Yorker as pretentious teenagers do with alliterate bent. And that come by ship, and you'd say nothing for three months, and then all of a sudden the punishment would lug, you know, fourteen copies of the New Yorker that would arrive, and and why it made you feel connected to the rest of the world. Ron that image if you'll Kuzma Poland connected to what was going on. But none of us had any idea. I remember looking for a copy of the satellite dish in the New York Times fan and use. I would sell it. It costs twenty dollars and arrived ten days after publication in New York. That was the world we had we had no sawn really that. It was a bad to China just such medically inside quickly. When you were appointed managing director, the see what was the media landscape lock back thing looking at Tim's of then. And in terms of now, what wasn't there? Yeah. Well, or canon the book that I signed a five year contract with it was going to ratify plan. And that's the whole knock of socialist collectives as we Richard Bailey would expect you at the to write a five year plan collectivization of agriculture. Exactly. Right. It's control of the media all of that. And and I I really struggled. And I was one hundred thought I'm really not going to be able to do this because everything was changing quickly. But I've reflected since about things I would have missed in those first five years, the iphone the head Twitter when I started Facebook was just being used by US college students when I started net was still Cindy DVD's in the post, we had no sense offense, broadband and then a bit before that. But still of the time I've explained this to my kids that don't really understand you. Could be on the telephone or you could be on the internet. But you couldn't be on the internet of the telephone at the same time. I mean, it was it was a much simpler will broadband spades. I mean, even though they could leave a bit to be desired still. I mean, the sense of fast streaming content was nothing YouTube just been bought by Google. And we had no sense of what any of these things would be what my kids think of that time and was living in that era as us being like said, ignorant peasants. It's like Fred Flintstone. Yeah. On cars, which we're actually running through the floorboards to run. But it all happened so quickly. And that's why I think that that type you plight of Steve Jobs. So I'm putting the world was about to China. And I think we can sit now and see that was the unleashing of the Christ experiment. That's ever been conducted on humanity. I remember watching that and we had a colleague in the states, and we said queue up at the apple store at fifty nine straight New York City and bring us back some funds and both back elegant books. We I the box packaging magnificent design glorious. Really expensive. Really quite exotic viewed it like a BMW sports car. I am I have a friend who will get one probably wouldn't have get one myself the prospect that a little lighter there three billion on the planet. Two billion will be sold this year that we have eight year olds in schools, bring them we saw none of that. And I think actually it's not just the technology. It's the I've ally on the technology view. This is a double barrel impact. It's the technology then militarize by things like Facebook and Twitter and Google that's really given. This extraordinary transformation. That's reached all parts of the planet and every part of best Assadi when it arrived. I feel the excitement of the launch all over again. I don't thinking three things on my God. It's the same thing here. Oh that makes me wanna go and buy iphone for some reason. The funny thing about too, I mean, I kinda got it. But I kind of didn't you know? I was this eight doesn't have cable are really like, my blackberry. I really. My cable would I'm beautiful. But you know, all you know, I remember when I started the put him on contract. I'll get a pipe rate. There's a there's a Henry Ford lawn that I think is great where he says if I ask people what they wanted that have said faster horses. It's very hard. This is one of the things that makes jobs mazing. He's ability to conceive of a world. That's not rather than incremental changes to the world as it is. And that's what the law state has been. It has been just dramatic transformation in all these places that I would have never end -ticipant in two thousand six and none of the wise people were talking I was talking to at the time was and -ticipant any of these pets. Also, then all this other stuff came along to the ipad, Twitter, Napster Facebook and trying to tell my my parents about this. I go that feel so depressed anxious. But to me, I was I was reassigned about all this. Yeah. I mean, I was really excited. And and actually if you if you if you deconstruct all of them the proposition for you as an individual was IVA Wilmington exciting. So I grew up in Sydney handful of television channels handful of radio stations newspapers in the morning and the afternoons. Yes, that been some changes are member often newspapers going our member if I'm radio coming, but fundamentally you could consume the media created in this city in the city and one of the curious things that aimed at growing up here, Richard. I never felt always the rest of it. It seemed enough, you know, you know, I it had one pair of Oz. One peer review there was plenty of stuff kicking around. But the prospect that all of a sudden I could read the New York Times before it was delivered in New York City could read news from around the world and then through things like Napster, but they enrolling onto Spotify. Apple music, the prospect that it wasn't just my CD collection. Listen to but. I could buy Szekely listen to any music that had been recorded. We'll that the proposition was breathtaking. Why wouldn't you sign up for that? How easy or hard wasn't to get the IDC to run with these new platforms. Yes, there's a law, and I used lot around the place from the Italian low novel, the lipid which says if you want things to remind the why everything will have to change, and what I understood about people, which the is in like may I loved the IB say that grown up the ivy's with the IB say it had been really important in their grandparents laws and their parents lives. And what I try to do was frame it in those terms that if we wanted the to be as important to kids, and grandchildren, if we really wanted the to be a central part of a strident live, then it would have to change, and we were still going to do right? You still got a television. But we had to find a why using the technology that audiences would be using. And into the IB c to the audience rather than expect the audience too fond us in those traditional wise, and look, and there were different views inside, you know. There was some are just remember one direct define who said I refuse to believe that anybody will buy or Silla has with that Banga satellite dishes of city Morning Herald. That was the belief there were people in television who just thought this was all the frolic, really. Of course, people are gonna sit on the catch and watch television. And so yes, there were skeptics, and there were those I think who don't miss divided between those who sort as NAS little thing to staple on the side to those who really understood this guy to bay the revolution that tixx over and and will sweep everything else away and sent out of the tension was the the battle in the Rice's between those two, and I've you a great example of that. Cast broadcast and online. You're listening to conversations with Richard Fidler on ABC radio's. He more conversations anytime on the ABC, listen up. We'll go to ADC dot net dot EU slash conversations. Win podcasting introduced here in this building in about two thousand five he came a need it on high from Michael Mason who was the head of radio at the time thinking, and I think at the time we thought just another thing we're gonna have to do the end of the night. This thing that's gonna make stay behind even lighter at work. We'll wait for you know, we always very hard radio. And you know, who knew it was going to be so huge how it's changed the way we might this program, and it turned out there was this huge audience. I I think it's a great example as to whether in fact, it was something that you Stipe along something that really fundamentally transforms. I mean, the IB has been brilliant in podcast and podcast at started before me, and we certainly kind of pushed it along either that decade, but I mean few things happen. I think I mean, I one of the things that I think future generations will be bewildered by one of the things is the shicho route the television she in the prospect of Saint about grandkids. None at unless you a home at seven thirty. You couldn't watch Lee Siles. Now, it was at seven thirty seven thirty on that was at the prospect that you can't watch will listen to content at a time that suits you rather than the broadcast. And I often thought this even the bet I b. Television news if fifty years if you got high at ten power seven that was it for another twenty four hours to make that mistake again beyond Tom tomorrow. Not James Dibble reads, the news at seven o'clock at night. I mean, it's we've liberated content from the shingle with podcasting, and that has meant more people have been able to excess. Great, great, great content. Grad story. Tony's and I think a network, log radio national. I mean, I think it's saved right? Initial in many ways because that specialist content and conversations like the one way having now can be liberated from the shingle and find a national audience can also found an international audience, the kind of audiences that things sawn shy gets. When all was here. You know, a third of that listening audience was an international audience and Robin Williams would go in national Sohn's conferences and be fighted because everyone was listening to the sawn show from the IDC and the numbers. I mean, as I mean, I remember when this show went through a million listens amounts. What is up to what's up to now? Four point two just million. I mean there was you know, hi fi being syllabi at how remarkable the million a month was found it amazing that it's just continued to grow and grow and grow spot. The flood of podcasting. That's really coming in from everywhere. I mean, Richard I have you numbers. But even off started a podcast now the department of education, you have everybody's on the spice. But I think I'll let you know when we pass four point two million a month, or I might get a bit frost between us. Don't be quite the sign between after that. Mark thing when you were lost on this program in two thousand nights reasonably newish into the job, you sounded a bit worried about the state of TV drama in a strident and on the how is that panned out? Well, I think it's good news bed news, really. And I think there's a there's a challenge of drama on the, but there's a challenge about the the Roberta drawn infrastructure on television. I think in Australia ABC, I think is done pretty well. It's got more money for drama has invested in significant drama and continues to put on a good slight. When I arrived, and it was only met three new hours of drama a year. It was terrible. And we grew that quite a lot to making strong funding pictures to to camera what's really different twin now in two thousand and data's what's happening on the commercial networks. It used to be that commercial networks had a slight of long running serials like, you know, once a country practice will blue hill is all science programs like that that invests pretty significantly. In a short run drama series and miniseries as well. But dramas expensive. You know, I think now can cost a million and a half or two million dollars an atom. I if you're running channel non channel ten, hey, you might wanna do drum yearly there to make money and an Arab television in prime time is an hour you'll mid to maximize profit and you maximize profit by putting programming to wear that will try to lot of advertising that you can produce it relatively low cost, and that's not drama. So the drama on commercial television. Now is reality television. You know, it's marketing rules, it's marinara sauce. It's all of that. And I think that is terrible for us. You know, I I think drama is so important because drama it's light reading good literature actually drama gives you insight into other people's lives and other people's experiences at develops empathy at develops understanding. Historical understanding understanding about the lives today. It helps you live more lives. And dramas been such an important way of helping us understand Australia. Here's the thing though. Is there the appetite in strata for a strident drama in TV and the movies? I think there's a good chance. I didn't have stats on this. But I think it's a good chance strivings of watch more Scandinavian crime Ryan stride in drama in is. Well, look, you know, the economics Lewisham what discredited which says supply creates its demand. I think striking's watch great drama when it's created and the is had good numbers for some of the quality drama that it's done. But if it's only reality television in a risk adverse environment that's coming at us in a flood. They in you know, I I suspect the audience fades away. I think the the warring saw about ustralian television. Dramas what's happened to Australian film, the still astride in film being made by large tawny? Budgets, often disappears without a trice. I think it represents less than three percent of the. Box office numbers. And basically we go to the movies. We watch the lightest American superhero blockbuster that lands with an enormous marketing campaign, and how can you stand up against that? But Astrid in film has been wonderful for decades. It's arguably never been weaker as far as its commercial presence, and my fear is that becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Well, you point in your book to the phenomenon of seachange that series from the pre internet era. The dial up internet any for you could watch mush and stuff on the internet. And what a massive writings phenomenon that was for the by any standards on the stridency. It was something that with elected of huge groups of straightness, but talk about the next day and follow the drama, very very close became a kind of a national meeting place in the why we haven't really had a sea change since each have. We know I think sea change was probably the last one that we all looked to and talk about and Hugh MacKay in the in the history of the references. The fact that it just changed strike urine away. It tapped. Into that sense of Ken. We get out of the wreck rice and retreat out of the cities, it revitalized in in a sense that dream of Skype that many Australians have and it was very important. I mean, I think we'll say interesting tests this year, because of course, channel nine an answer the last year that they have bringing back sea change, and they'll be a sea change, you know, for twenty nine teen on channel non later in the year. I think it'll be really interesting to whether it can recapture the magic the one thing. I'll guarantee is at went recapture the audience know, what happens when the put up married a facade against it. And that brought over like a tractor on. What happens then? Yeah. That's right. It kind of disappears. It might get a life online in Mike at law through catch up. But the the challenge so say change was great. But the other challenges that if you subscribe to stand on it flirts, stay in Netflix, Amazon Pradera, they're literally ten thousand hours of programming out there seeking your attention. And so I think this is a question for government to question about funding. The will do we believe striking story? Are important. Absolutely. Is the market going to struggle to find a commercial web, delivering those stories. Yes. That's what probably broadcasting's Labatt public broadcasting. Pat of the role is to step into the gap not the entire role, but powder the role is to step into the gap that the market cannot provide. And you know, I think it is going to be increasingly hard to impose striding television contents on channel nine channel ten channel seven I think this a chance of getting Netflix to have to sign up to a certain percentage of investment in Australian content. So the one show bid is the IB see in all of this stuff. I'm someone who's nonetheless going to watch the amazing offering that's coming out of the United States when it comes to drama. I mean, I can ring my hands about what's been lost with this. But still I'm going to make that choice probably to watch some really amazing offering. But you'll watch it's literature and books, you know, you know, I buy raiders, you know, we read books from all around the world. But if there's a great ustralian novel, they're great Australian stories, they speak to us. And we'll find. Onto do that as well. And the one guarantee is the Australian investment is not being made. The only thing you're gonna watch the international stuff. But if compelling content is made and will funded and will delivered then you'll find time for that. So our local media said to compete with the distribution of blow brands like the New York Times, the Washington Post, the BBC, and they now having to compete with the best news offerings in the world, which aren't local offerings and at the same time. We can get all the music in the world and think it through music subscription services like Spotify. And the like, and this is this is an ongoing thing. What do you think has been the price that we've paid for having all the world's music media at fingertips? So this is what I wrestled through those writing the book because I almost said as fast in bagging, what has been great for me has been terrible for us this being this collective impact of everybody. Doing what I've done in and signed up to. Some of these services and stop buying CD's and certainly stopped subscribing newspapers. So we've seen this collapse of the newspaper infrastructure or the news infrastructure, Australia, when I was editorial director Fairfax something we had five hundred journalists reporting on Sydney over seven dies. I think fix probably has fewer than one hundred fifty now, and you just have stripping ally of indepth reporting. It's the specialist reporters that often guy got a lot of reporters there rotting generalist stuff, but the special arts reporters they were arts reporters Sohn's reporters, religion, reporters industrial relations reports the hallmarks of the pipe. Local government reported. You see a lot certainly research out of the sites. It's reporting on local government that absolutely disappears. So that stripping live quality and experience. And also the thing that those reporters would do is go until the end of the this might not send an important story. But this is an important story. We need to run this today because we run this story to die. The impact is going to be very significant down that track. You need a reporter of experience and depth who's respected internally to be able to convince the do that. So then using structure has largely collapsed, and we still haven't seen the bottom and one of the things I think is amazing. You know, we were talking at Fairfax twenty years ago in Nantes eight ninety nine as to what the business model would be that would sustain newsrooms twenty years later, we are no closer to finding that sustainable business model. And I think that is quite frightening. And even though I didn't really understand it at the time. I think it's the same with the music industry that basically these vast streaming serve. This is just make it fire hard. If a musician's to make money, I think my wife had said, you know, we're through a multi cluttering stage CD's, they should go. And I started saving them. This was before the streaming services released it, and I realize I pay thirty dollars for CD. And now is Ali that music never heard before, you know, why would I bought about? Because I'd heard a track are locked on the radio or I had their previous album. It was thirty punt now for thirty dollars. You can get three months of all the music in the world from Spotify. So personally, what's the problem with that? Will the problem is if you're a musician, it's a lot harder to make your way. Now, there's a lot less money. You've actually don't make money. It used to be in your music. You know, this better than me did used to be that you'd go onto to draw the cells of your album now, you try and push music out to try and make money guy onto but really that's like if you guys Abyan Cy in Tyler swift. But there are a lot of people who are just not gonna make voluble. Money at a billion musician anymore. I talk about the band grizzly bay that lock of saying if you TOMS, and you know, grizzly bear Nancy last year digest cannot make this work anymore, and they're off to do other things. Because basically, the money's full and of the music industry. So there has been this Faustian bargain, but it doesn't sound like you want to go back to the white walls, though sound. Doesn't sound to me. I'm not. This guilty than the Stelle g but you see the people who created these products. These products are taking on the world because they good in. Spotify is good. That people crowding the Google algorithms clever. You know, as I read the books that says, you know, give all this stuff up and you giving away your privacy. But Google maps is fantastic. Crocetta? You know, you you put in the dress of a store, and it says, well, here's the address. But you know, it does not even till ten o'clock. Are you sure you still want to go? Then. Now, the fact that it tells you where all the traffic. I mean, it is these things have been designed by people so a dipped, and they know us will. I mean, I dived Gillespie torture alien the week. They've been designed by people who want our attention who want air engagement, and and they get paid by the more time we spend online using their applications. And so, yeah, I my life is a meshed with this product these products. I don't wanna guy back to a degree. You can't get back. But I think the question is am I really thoughtfully engaging and thinking through what these products ask of me, and being far more deliberative in mind gauge with digital content than our walls when I heavily signed. Up those years ago? One thing you didn't another centipede when you started in this job with firstly that face Facebook would appear. Secondly, it would become the world's most important platform for news. And I think we can call it a publisher. But if you think of what goes on in the and in any other media Rogan's -ation this they're huge editorial structures in place to to make sure the what is broadcast or printed is in somewhere responsible legally defensible there is some kind of ethical framework and a commercial one as well that that sits in place there to determine what is published. Facebook has almost none of that. And yet, it's it's during massive profits from what it does. And yet it doesn't seem to feel like it has any obligation to do that. It's been able to keep pornography of effort self. But it doesn't seem one can be bothered. They'll want to take on the responsibility and the cost of being a publisher. Yeah. I think it's got away from them. Frankly, I think the pornography example is an interesting one because they knew ille- on two thousand two thousand nine if this place just became a c. Pornography. The ability for that wide range would be greatly diminished side, I found the tools and the algorithms out official intelligent to find the porn quickly and get rid of it. They showed how cavalier indifference to things that we now describe as fake news or militias height spatial content, or they didn't think through the implications of if in fact, you allow live streaming what could be live streamed, and then massively sick it as we've seen most recently in cross judge. What what I think is really interesting. The last year we've had a a series of memoirs or innocence pipe is written by people who worked at Facebook in the early days and Facebook talked about connecting the world that was the utopian promise that they might. But every decision I made was about growth money kind from growth money came from attention are member hia when we would look at the numbers mean we were on Twitter, you're on Twitter hours on Twitter and others were here, and it was very important as for a news district. Bution mechanism would look at the Twitter numbers, and the Facebook numbers would all be absolutely astounded that Helbig Feis because but then the the critical thing was not just how many people's reaching. But hell long people are spending online. It's now fifty minutes a day is the man of time people spend on Facebook, and they'll be a lot of people spending two minutes. So we'll be a lot of people spending three or four hours. And I think Facebook just didn't care in pursuit of monetize. Ing the growth. And now they live with the consequences. And I sit kind of indignant advice books almost inability to say to illness them saying that they can't control how people use their platform. This is one powerful and wealthy companies in the world, and I actually urge regulators to be very aggressive and various thirty of Iran Facebook in Google and others. It is a is a good book. That's been written called the curse of bigness by Timothy Wu in American academic. And he says that win some of the joint companies. Got broken up in the US, some of the rial companies from the big pal companies AT and T they were breaking up because of the the public good the the ham that was taking place from them big so big and that abide has moved from that. Now, the now the debate is really isn't cheap. If it's cheap for the public. Nobody's losing. Well, Facebook is very cheap. Facebook is free that there's Mesic public harm that can come from them being that dominant and powerful and that cavalier about the impact of their work. And I think the time will come with they'll be really profound regulatory challenges to Facebook and Google yesterday as you mentioned David Gillespie was in the program. He's written a book about the effect of screens on tonight's Brian. He's he's collected a fair bit of evidence to suggest that these screens designed to dictate in the software on are also designed to be addictive as possible. He's been critical of schools. Yeah. For insisting that tablets used which is essentially like any free cigarettes and vodka to kids in. His mind. I think you've commissioned a survey into the effective the iphone smartphones on kids in schools. What are what have you found out from that? And what's your view on on the the danger of handing out if there isn't a one screens to kids will? Yeah. There's there's a lot in it. We had Mogok Carr. Greg. His an expert in numbers of these areas. The report for us and his urges to be very cautious. But kids in promise school in particular. What's interesting fines and kids in promise goal is that have been given by the parents, and the would method comes from the school is the the the disruptions in class the texting the phone calls. It is actually the parents the kids, right? And so Michael Mockus said to us. Don't forget to pick up a gang. You know? It's just the household management as channel through the fund and monitoring to. But I think there's that sense of two kids need these in the classrooms. They should really be parents won't have to get school and come home from school chicken those fines, but it's more sign. Look, let's be very deliberative about the use of these tools. I mean, I heard David I I mean, I think he's he's a he's a good provocateur. And we need people like David and agree with quite a lot of what he has to say tomorrow Mondo kids are going to have these tools where the schools demand the more not as he identifies. The key issue is not actually what's happening in the classroom, and the value of having a tablet that has text books on it or that allows you to use Google or a Microsoft apps for collaborative problem solving near that's fine. It's what's happening at time in my wash the principal of a school. She's very hard line on this. She says if the parents have paid for the fine if parents pine for the wifi the rules that are involved in some of those rules, David talked about shea Bax, like charge them charge them on the kitchen table, if you're online, you know, that should be shared activity in and around the family. But, but we shouldn't actually just give these kids with that any Lawson's who any law since at all I the minister United make policy on that. But is there any evidence that is a benefit for example for schools and classrooms, confiscating funds of kids as they arrive at school and giving it back to the end of the day. I don't think there's compelling evidence around that at this point because I think good teachers can use them as a tool, it's whether they can also be a source of distraction. But as I said, I think the Bahamas what happens afterwards that you know, if you'll being bullied at school, it leave the bullet school and go home. Now, the bully fellas you at time we know that you are a few clicks away from ham online that is not going to happen in a classroom or even in a playground. Teachers working around that's going to happen win kids are on their own. And so I think it's a parenting challenge as much as a school problem and powder, the challenge with parents is that we're all learning how to deal with this thing as cells parents on kids. I gotta listen to what parents either gonna watch what parents do and appearance are addicted and all. On their own screens and sing totally distracted. And that's the model, and that's the patent that kids are gonna follow. And I think we need to be deeply reflective about that. Can you see a future like ten years fifteen years from now is more evidence comes in where we'll see this time as a time when we were quite happy to hand out fines devices to kids, and we'll see it as the equivalent of like us being prepared to let kids use smoke entering alcohol at a young possibly. I think there's a possibility of that. I think one thing we know for sure now is that we all need time off devices. Heard David talk about the the increasing levels of anxiety, which does seem to Carlisle with the arrival of devices read compelling research that says it's the consistency of the stimulation that's particularly harmful and we need to have time of screens L sales. When to take the headphones off, we need to be solid. We need to look out the window to be reflective. We need to read books. That that that aren't just a click away from further destruction we need to walk in Nitra. We need to renew L cells, and that's very important for an Europe lusty that's very important for our will thing. So I think I think the shore bit is that these will be tools that we will use. But were they'll be a big resistance against the ubiquity? The always on the always plugged in the always stimulated. I think the evidence is already emerge on that that that is harmful ride tonight in trying to practice that in your own life as someone who previously was like, oh, goody goody two mixed success. You know, I think, but there are times I'm trying to get a Sabbath. Now a day off. If I take several weeks leave to take those off the fine. I'm certainly trying to read books and have the fine alone y away. So it's not just pick it up and look at it. A morning ring how much time I spend on lawn and how many much Tom I touch my fine and even dealing with my teams now if I work on over the weekend, I'm trying to hold up those eight mile. Nls and send them off on a Monday morning. So they're not constantly being distracted from a mouth coming from the boss. I think we need to have sacred spices where we unplug and get off these devices. But as you know, it's it's how to do the people have designed these things designed them for addiction and era tension, and they're pretty good. I think this big thing to be introducing the very last moment. But I think the real challenge here's going to be to try and reestablish an idea physical community of online tribe. That's that's that the shattering of physical community and replacement with the online tribe is reason why the sun much rinca internet right now on Twitter, so horrible everything. We've given everyone voice and everyone shouting, no one's knees. Resolution was that want to spend more time on line, you know, and and the things that really were would us friends families good meals right conversations, they're enduring things, and you don't need a device for that. And that's what really went uses. 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The Drop - Raps Let It Rip

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Follow us on Twitter and Instagram at the starters, or check us out on Facebook at Facebook dot com slash the starters. I guess it's official. We're now on Facebook Thursday, drop but very similar to a Friday drop. We got the pun gun. We'll step into the complaint that area and you know, high stepping on the beach reading your tweets in your emails, but I the warriors left shorthanded after Klay. Thompson was a late scratch raptors took full advantage. Give me some wrap the news cli- leading the way Lowry, and Danny green hitting threes. Everybody contributing for the raptors they basically lead wire-to-wire final score wraps one Twenty-three warriors one oh nine again third consecutive game. The warriors go on one. Oh, nine wraps lead the NBA finals, two to one tasks, I saw this tweet going around last night, and they'll start with it at Brayden home yard, imagine telling any raptors fan a couple years ago that they would beat the warriors in the NBA finals at oracle with Steph curry, dropping forty seven points. It was a dominating. Win. And I don't even want to throw a but in there because of the the injuries that happens to every single team in every single playoff round injuries are part of it. And, and that was just a domination. The war of the raptors knew that they could dominate. So now let's talk about the injuries because I can see. Faces. I know you wanna talk about clay and K D but really, it doesn't matter the raptors knew that this was a game they needed to win hundred. See with quiet Leonard coming out of the tunnel. Norm Powell trying to give them a fist bump before the game as he walked out and quite Leonard looking the other way just staring off into the distance. Like he was the night, king knowing that he had to go and kick ass. And that he did the entire team when all five starters have seventeen or more. You mentioned Steph curry. He was the only guy who beat any raptor, at any position, you know, cousins was outplayed like crazy by Mark associate KOMO plagiary mongering needed, although played by Shaun Livingston. Oh, played by Danny green by a tiny even Lowery. Did it did a great job to try match up? With Steph, you couldn't do that for family. It was the best player on the bench. It was a dominating win fifty forty ninety the really real story is that the warriors sucked defensively and for the fifth time. This postseason one hundred twenty defensive rating, which means one hundred twenty points or more for every hundred possessions. They've done that five times this postseason. They did that five times combine the last four years. And that's really the story. That's how dynasty's fall apart when they lose they lose their defensive prowess, and that seems to be happening. I keep seeing sort of some variation this morning of the only way Golden State had any chance of winning game three is if curry hand delivered enough scoring to make it. So there's some truth to that. But it's not one hundred percent. The only way Golden State had a chance to win game three with no Klay Thompson, and with. No. Durant was to play stellar defense to win the game with defense and then have curry Carey you just enough. And they did it. You said it all there you went through it. The rap scored more points at the oracle than any, any previous finals opponent during the Steve Kerr era. And it was specially clay you saw. How important you was defensively. I think for this warriors team all these guards. We're talking about here where Lowery finally gets it going Danny. Green six threes, Evli stellar. Again. Colli for that matter getting sort of oddly, quiet thirty points. Yeah. Klay woulda helped him that because he would have had some of those matchups he would add some of those guard matchups, and I'm sure not all of those guys would have been going off. He was he was missed on that end for sure. Definitely draymond. Green had guard quite Leonard for most of the night, which meant he wasn't the help guy and Draymond is at his best when he's the help guy he's playing you know to offense of players, the one in somehow, he's able to beat you into the wrong pass and still get back there. But no Klay Thompson means Draymond sliding onto qui-, which means who knows who's helping because DeMarcus cousins wasn't fast enough to help Andrew bogut was for a little bit. But he kept getting tired because he was out of the NBA for a couple years. It just didn't have enough guys, but super impressive by the raptors the come out in a must-win game. You know, you find out Klay Thompson, his out, you have to win half sue. You have to win end the warriors hadn't played in oracle in twenty days would have been easy to tighten up those cheeks and say this is a must-win game though, that wasn't the case more of the raptors at all. They were playing loose and free. The ball was. And everybody was fired up. It was awesome. It's funny with this warriors dynasty team with so much talent on it. I feel like we've talked in years, past, like, jokingly, of course like be fair, if the warriors just gave a game one in in a setting in a series matchup, you should like have to give it and play from behind because they're that good. Oddly. That's sort of what the raptors have been given here this opportunity in this game three with the no clay, and then the no, Katie and no loony, who was missed offensively as to we should point out. I think as a rim, protector, and at least sort of managing to stay in front of guards at times that was it. I mean, that was like all sorts of mattress. Don't put I'm saying you've got to go win the game. And this was an awesome team performance. But it's literally sorta like hey here is a game here you go. And we'll see what happens in game for if Clave in place. I expect you will. We thought he was gonna play in game three. We were shocked with that. And I think this will be the return of Kevin Durant now because they are from behind, and it's like they're the go. You took advantage of it. It was sort of given to you. You still had to get the W had played good basketball for forty eight minutes. It wasn't easy. I mean I was still raptors fan at times there in the third and fourth quarter going. Okay. Okay. Okay. It's getting a little closer. You're getting a little too close for comfort, but they always had an answer. That was, that's the raptors the difference with this squad. They seem to have answers to stop some of these runs. Sometimes had that crazy, Danny green three pointer where he just catches. The ball in his leg jumps, eight feet, four to make his three dollars wild the Fred van Vliet just throwing moonshot the guy shoots. A curveball every single time issues the ball at spins sideways, but he has calibrated perfectly, and he, he's on fire right now the raptors were super impressive, because there were times when it definitely felt like the warriors were coming back. I thought that second quarter at looked like, oh, they got hit in the mouth. Now, they realize we gotta play defense because the defense picked up in the second quarter, that's when I thought the warriors were coming closest to overtaken the raptors but they were able to battle back in stem, the tide tests, you sort of had to sort of semi predictions heading into game three I felt like one came through and one sort of floundered you kept saying Steph curry. At some point now, having seen the raptors defense how they're playing them is going to explode, and he's really going to do it likely if there's no Klay. No, Katie, the forty-seven. I mean career playoff I- unbelievable game. I mean one of the best games I've ever seen in the files it's going to be sort of lost potentially to history because it does come in a loss. It's sort of similar, like some of LeBron's performances against this warriors team in years past while amazing but well came in a loss, because you couldn't get anybody any help you nailed that one. I mean you like literally this is coming. This is coming. This is coming and he killed it. And then the other one though was sort of like the idea like, hey, cousins came back and gay too. And he looked great when it came in game one, but then really got it going into. And this was just a brutal cousin scam. It was brutal. Yeah. We thought you were saying, sort of, like, whoa, that's good for the warriors, maybe he's going to continue to get better. Thank you. I saw game to thought that he could keep it going. I underestimated the fact that a big body like that quite often. You see a guy come back from injury and you see a decent. Performance, and then he'll follow it up with a pretty home performance because it's like the fourth and fifth day back. That's when you really sore, and you really don't feel like yourself you, just you. You're not steadily yourself. So, yeah, I thought those two guys even if clay was a note, there would be enough of an impact and Steve Kerr went with Shaun Livingston, in, in place of Klay, Thompson, and hindsight is twenty twenty but I think Quinn, cook would have done a better job, getting some shots up at the very least, Shaun Livingston. Just didn't want to shoot. And that's Shaun Livingston's game. But their their offensive spacing was absolutely horrendous on that end. And it was off to hear Steph curry after the game. He was asked. Hey Steph, would you have done less shooting and more distributing? If you had other options out there, your other guys, and he's like, yeah. I just thought that Steph would sort of take the politically correct answer and say, hey, my guys are capable guys, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But to have all that focus on him and still put up forty seven. It was cool, a forty seven and lead the warriors and rebounds and lead the team in SIS and lead the team in steals. It's again unbelievable. And his teammates, really, I mentioned all those guys yet Draymond green ended up with a fine line but nobody could perform offense DeMarcus cousins looked like. I don't even know what to call me look, like aged ten years from came. He had no explosion. Like he would catch the ball. There was nobody around him. You're like this is going to be a dunk and it was a slow drop step and a pump fake. And then a missed layup, he just couldn't get up over. Anybody you're looking solemn Mezeray? Maybe he had no skill. He Ricky really didn't and Shaun Livingston. Looked like Ben Simmons light like he he without the defense. You know, he just he couldn't do much out there. But when Nick nurse still making adjustments in a game where, you know, Steph going off and their up eight at half. He says, you know what I'm going to sit Danny green down. So I can get Fred vanfleet out there, just so he can guard him brilliant. And that was amazing to continue making that move in and it helped it helped slow him down. And the warriors offense just looked disjointed. And I want to bring this up before I forget because when Katie comes back and, or Klay comes back, they're not gonna come back and go for forty minutes, and go for twenty five that's going to be another sort of iterative. They have to feel that out too. The warriors might not be like you said skeets that they're gonna have to win it on the defensive end. But they're not a great defensive team right now. And so they're going to need scoring. And if Katie is not himself, and Clayton himself is easily could be I don't know if they win game four but the raptors but they should take take care of game five it feels like at this point. Nothing. It's confirmed that Claes going back for game four. That's the thing it's a warts Durant is interesting. I mean, I still don't I think I truly believe that they both will at the same time in game for being down to one now. I mean, it's sort of a must win for them. But yeah, yeah. Clay for sure lady who knows? He doesn't play more than twenty five minutes to play. He's not gonna play a ton. I don't think they just plop them in there. And then he can be a decoy out there. Sure. I mean, look at this point any clay in any Katie is going to be better than some of the dramatic. So minutes and and cook was finding game to hit threes. I got that, but yeah, they're still going to be better even in whatever limited minutes, and whatever limited capacity. They can even play that cousins things. I think you've gotta give some credit to, to, to Nick nurse in the raptors game plan, especially Marcus all, hey. Let's go at them. Let's put this guy who's only played in three games last couple of months here, put them in some, some space, put them in some pick and rolls. He's struggling to move at all, and even at times. Hey, Mark just take him on the block. Exactly. Right. Did you forget that you're a giant dude? Go to work down there and put some pressure on them. And because oughta great game and we can get to call our as well in a second. But really, it's tough to look at any raptor, and say they had a poor game. Everybody contributed. Yeah. They knew they had to win the game, and they played like it was super impressive. I was a little surprised that Marcus also aggressive inside it was good to see set him up with some Grateful Dead music for a highlight pack. It was incredible. I was like this guy is he is what I would like to be as. A player. He's getting his Grateful Dead highlights. I've seen him sitting in an anthropology just waiting for his wife to pick out clothes. He likes to go garden, Marcus. All I'm feeling it right now. But yeah, it was it was interesting. He was having trouble posting up against guys like Steph curry and Quinn cook in game two and game. Three DeMarcus is huge. But I guess, maybe you know, he's used to the leverage of smashing guy who's kind of his size and getting a shot up. It's different when you're posting up against guys, I suppose the it's a crazy amount of confidence coming out of that locker room one through nine to show up like that, you know as the tweeter said there as you mentioned off the top their skeets. This doesn't look like a raptors team that we've ever seen and quiet Leonard and everybody top down to come out like that to shoot fifty forty ninety in again. NBA finals game is pretty unprecedented is only the third time that's happened since the three point line was adopted, only the third time the words did it the wraps it in the Celtics back in the eighties. I mean it was a domination. It really was. That's why I hate saying. But, but, but, but, but, you know, I I worry about the warriors now looking at that team. And seeing if clay's not hunt percent. Katie's not one hundred percent. I don't wanna I don't wanna Golden State warrior about them because they've done plenty of winning. I don't I don't care. But as far as production goes, if a guy is a little limpkey if he's not one hundred percent. And you know those those two guys yeah. They're, they're great decoys. And Steph is going to get his and this is still a series but their apps should feel great with homecourt advantage back in their court. Yeah. The raptors picked the perfect game to shoot lights out to shoot that fifty forty ninety splits which rarely happens in a finals game like you said, only time ever because I mean by that is the perfect timing because Golden State, their defense, couldn't provide any stops which then could translate into some easy buckets transition opportunities for the other guys. It was. A lot of the time the raptors elite defense was set up in a half court setting because they were scoring a decent clip. And then it's like all right. You know we're gonna play. We're not gonna do the Janke boxing on defense, but we're going to throw multiple bodies at staff. We're really going to truly worry about him. And then then you're leaving these other guys in a half court setting to try to contribute, and the rest of them the rest of the warriors. They only shot thirty six percent. It was just a perfect timing for the for the apps to hit a lot of shots because it actually helped him on the other end. I thought just when it was just the Steph show, and they're really, you know, you're gonna live with the dream on threes he had a couple at the top, and he could doll even hit one or two. But that's fine. You're always going to take that at the end of the day, I didn't feel like Draymond played a great game ended up with seventeen points, but there are so many times where I thought like he had a role to the basket. And maybe he could've taken a lap. But instead he pass it out because that's how the warriors have always played looking for that kick out. He said post game we're looking for more space. We need to play more space and it's true because he was just getting a little bit flustered. I thought with all the bodies inside because there's no spacing out, so. It's like Andrei dolla, an Shaun Livingston are out there. That means you've got two guys just waiting in the lane, I thought Draymond should have been a little bit more aggressive looking to score. But you know that's a tough calibration to make when you've played one hundred games of the season. Dishing it out every time it was strange though, watching that team because they did look like the twenty fifteen Cavs with everybody just tossing the ball back to LeBron like tossing it back to staff and Timothy Moscow probably would have potted twenty for the Golden State Warriors yesterday. He was the second leading score beside LeBron in along with JR Smith and Matthew del dove out there and Eamonn Shumpert, the warriors didn't take it upon themselves to do much. And that's why Draymond green didn't look great. I guess DeMarcus cousins legs weren't there. You get all those waiting for somebody else to take over and I thought Quinn, cook, kind of looked like the second best score. A lot of the time, it wasn't shooting layups. Yeah. Racer mode. Yeah. There's some great blocks out there for sure. Some great, great blocks horrendous calls miss goals, any just thinking about the officiating on this one. What the hell were? They watching half the time there was some brutal like calls made that you're like what the back court violation. Now they ended up getting it. Right. So that was good. That was a weird one couple like just blatant Carey's and travels on both sides. You don't tell them that charge on win. Draymond with standing on the restricted area line. Yeah. Weird. That was the makeup for the cousins, which shouldn't have been called for was missed, I guess, but yeah, so the, the, the vanfleet moonshot that he hits everyone's crying for for travel. Probably rightfully so on collide. But then there are a couple on career. He just carried the ball. He did it twice actually did it like a couple of sessions prior to the blatant, one that doesn't get call here that other one where you see the photo of Marcus screaming because he's like that's a travel because I think curry got the ball, literally went up to shoot dropped it at his feet moved overshot again. Just some just some blatantly missed calls or Beccles. And there was some tough ones like surgeon surgeon block Serge. Ibaka was a block on, he was massive. I thought in that sort of in the in the second half specially defensively and even scored a couple of times some pick and rolls. Kyle is a tale of two halves. Every he really is terrible in the first half, but he got away, maybe with a couple of relent. Well, it definitely was the one whereas on glass and that should have been called the gold ten. Yeah, they were just rest. I. Step slow in this one is that some sort of a record most blocks for a guy off the bench in an EMMY finals game for Serge Ibaka, finishing with what six and then is that what he got? In the end did they give them five bucks? Course slow. Yeah. Okay. Cow, where I don't think I've got blocks on this. You. What are you looking at? All right. All right. I'm there six or. Yeah. Assemby at like, when blocks are towards the end. But the NBA the NBA throws in defense before to the left of field goals made field goals attempted and three pointers made come, I think that was all abroad. Call at one time, like relondo updated, the NBA upper memory tweet is like a scroll this way to see the points assistant turnovers or something. They put the counting stance right away. I remember that. Lebron Wednesday morning. Obviously the morning of the game three I tweeted out. We could really use a Kyle Lowry over everything type of game tonight. And then and then blessed him bless up calorie. Go get it and he delivered they needed this, the raptors did need this. He scored fifteen points in the first half. That was key to get them. Go going. He finished eight of sixteen overall five threes. Always important with them. If you can hit a couple then the nine assists was nice. I mean he. Yeah. Great game four boards and air Korean put the raptors approach their ceiling with that type of version of Kyle Lowry. That's just they're just that much better when Kyle is. Yeah, he does all the intangibles. He's trying to take the charges. He's diving into the crowd and getting into fights with fans. All that I get that's important. And that is the Kyle Lowry game. You gotta score you have to score to your you're an all MBA slash all-star type of player. It helps when you're you're scoring over ten points per game. And you're when your local sir twenty and it helps when you're not being defended for half by Draymond green because. You know, when Quinn cook is out there. He isn't even worse than thunder than Steph curry. So Steph curry is now on Kyle Lowry. Lowery was just getting going. You know curry was trying to do everything on offense. The raptors did a great job of getting the ball up court. That's something Lowery specializes than they got into their offense right away Lowery. Just look like us play with a little extra penalties up and the raptors needed it on a night like last night to just set the tone and say, we're kicking your ass. And he played forty three minutes, leading the team. And he stayed on the court. Yeah. As he's talked. Yeah. Yeah, no fouls. And I thought it was a bad omen. First possession. Kyle couldn't get around the screen. Steph, had a wide open. All right. Bad omen, number one for the rapture felt like, but then on the other end cows being guarded by Shaun Livingston start. And you mentioned clean cook you mentioned stuff Korea's defenders on them, Shaun Livingston couldn't stay with him either new reached an Andrew foul, and the arena was was pretty quiet except for all those raptors fans that were traveling which was absolutely incredible. I can't believe that in an NBA finals game to hear the opposing fan base, especially in an arena like that. And then they all came together after the game singing. Oh, Canada looked to be a good hundred two hundred raptors fans in that sort of grouping at the end. Yeah. Yeah. Apparently all of the university of Waterloo, which is a sort of a greater Toronto area school sends a lot of people to Silicon Valley. They'll live there apparently and they're huge raptors fans. Kyle Lowry was was great. You call that when skeets that was that was a game. It was. But, you know it was the entire team as we said, like, nobody Marcus soul gonna go dominate DeMarcus cousins. Pasco Ceac in my thought was really key in the first half the way he was scoring on the block against dream on green against whoever may dread coke silly at one point on them around. Oh my God. When basketball starts to get into, like turing turns into Kyrie Irving for second really weird. I don't remember what are you doing, but Tim Hardaway double crossover, usually, he scoring with the spin move, but he just said about left to right left or right? I was amazing, and then Danny green oh Danny boy, six threes. You talked about him coming off the bench in the second half and a big part of that, again, Nick nurse thinking back, I think to game to go and Lowery was in foul trouble in the first half. And we didn't come out as aggressive in the second half. And that's when they went on their eighteen to run. I think nurse had learned from that Danny green had three fouls. You know in the first curry was getting his against whoever. I mean he was cooking Lowery. He was doing his thing against greed vanfleet the best defender to put on them and try and slow him. And that's a big part to. He's like, we gotta stay aggressive there in the third quarter. And that was a smart call put in van bleed out there. And then bring in green in any finish with six threes, and, you know, Shaquille O'Neal's getting all the credit here. The big shot Dr the call. I just told them leave it. He told he told daily green. Hey man, this is the finals leave it and stop effing around get your game. Right. And then he talked about guys like Dennis Scott, Jeff Turner, Pasia. These guys he was drumming Razi names deep newest high school goodness. When he dropped Jeff Turner. I started dying laughing Jeff Turner at a basketball camp in like on -tario when I was thirteen whose great great shooter I've ever seen. Hell. Yeah. I don't think he used to shut entire camp. I'm slowly to God. It was amazing. But yeah, it was nice to see him. Have another another good performance here in the finals, these money in the finals for the most part. It is well thing he's moved to I think eighth all time in three pointers made in NBA finals history. Some eight or eighth or ninth guy that shooting over fifty percent from three. Yeah. On fifty. Yes. So shack has The Danny green connection their teammates briefly in Cleveland. They're, you know, in check second last year. And yeah, this shack NBA finals connection stays alive. There's a teammate of shacks all the way since nineteen Eighty-four that's been playing. That's played in consecutive in all every single final since nineteen Eighty-four. It is still. Okay. So now that brings us to a little MVP talk a little finals. Now, you're ready. After after one one, I was I was ready and it was choir Steph, whoever wins the series. Yeah. Right. I bring that up because Danny green almost one of the twenty th thirteen finals MVP not really in the talk for a while for a couple of games. Yeah. So this Kevin Durant. Have a chance if the warriors come back three left at me when I did not do it. I say no. When I did ask it. Yeah, but you can't you can't you can't squint and see it probably not Curry's forty seven point game actually, now I think about it. They lost though. But we'll see what drank gives them. I mean if he's able if the warriors somehow win three straight right now. And Durant is over thirty if he's able to play, you know, thirty minutes a game at scores over thirty. I don't think it's out of the rubble possibility the, the finals I think he has to not play game five excuse me game four for Katie to win finals VP. This is my case. He's got a not play game for. And the raptors have to sort of shock the world and win game four even with Klay back in the mix. They go back to Toronto up three one. Katie comes back at that point, and then takes them to three consecutive wins. Go in thirty plus something crazy every game. That's like the only way I could see it happening. And even then with a forty seven point game in the mix in a loss. Yes with curry, but his average, like his numbers are going to be making. Yeah. And you've got to assume if they were to pull off three straight wins being down in a hypothetical three one Curry's probably doing something. So let's curry tweaks and ankle doesn't play. And it's all Katie. Yeah, there is no way. I'm one percent chance with where I'm at. It's better story if they go down three one, but I would say there's no chance of Katie has even a hope of playing in game for that. They don't play them, not just because they're down to one but they don't want to potentially go down. Three one. And then put him in a game for the first time in game five and him be okay. You know, hidden him not be right in the have to scramble on the road. But I think the other part is. Voters are also wanna give Stephan MVP not not because they really wanna give an MVP. But, you know, a guy who plays in half the series of Kevin Durant comes back that's going to be a pretty big. I think it's very, very unlikely, Katya suggest would files MVP. See he hasn't played in a game yet. Gurry spin incredible. Yeah. It's the warriors would Curry's ninety nine percent chance going to win it. And if the raptors win I think Kalis on one hundred percent chance gonna win it definitely, right? I mean again Colli this was a weird game for to me for Kawhi Leonard hit thirty points. It great box score any big shots. And it was oddly like, I don't know. No one's really piling up the Boeing. Yeah, it's very MJ like in that sense. That's to get the thirty two or it's like and nobody's implying that the man shooting ten free. Throws a game. It's only a problem with James harden. Does it quite letter goes to the line all the time? He cares. He's putting up a ton of points. And he has been clutch when they need him to be, you know, like he's hitting some shots like you're saying the defense hasn't been. I don't think it quite Leonard levels. I don't think he's been. You know a racing shots at the rim. He's not piling up steals. But he's doing everything else, and he's going to lead the raptors in scoring in if they win the championship. They'll give them the trophy. I just want a rant for quick, second here, something that's been bothering me. Throat these finals. And maybe it's because they take so long between games and I'm watching so much content. He's other shows and stuff like that game on tomorrow night. That's great. You're right. That's exactly right. Game four. And I love that where we get together watching it watching at your place. Yes. He at your place. Yeah. What do you want me to bring up? Bring chips, cool. I'll bring your chance I won't be there. I'll be there you want to come over to my place. I want to see the with enough with no pants on. I could bring no pants to your house. Fills you bring no pants. Pitts. I'm wearing under rob corn oak. Micro modell. Here's my rant. Okay. To the to the rest of the NBA media to a majority. I should say of the media, please stop saying the raptors aren't really good basketball team. No. Sh there in the finals, I keep hearing this. The raptors are really good basketball team. You know, the raptors are actually a really good basketball team. Yeah. They easily easily could have had the best record in the NBA, if they actually wanted it if it was one of their goals and, oh, yeah. Quite Leonard doesn't sit for twenty two games. They have quite Leonard one of the top three players in the league that helps to be a really good basketball team. They're well coached team. They're veteran squat they have other all NBA all star like talent. And they took down two of your early east favorites in the Sixers and the bucks. There are really good basketball team there in the NBA finals. I agree. It just sort of his driving me and say, I mean I get it. I get it for sort of heading into a game one and all that people are continuing to say it like it's like sort of a shot. Doc people are saying because the Cavs were not a good basketball team last year. Maybe that's the main thing is like if you took this team that the warriors played last night with just Steph curry, I think he'd probably take the warriors over last year's Cavs team. You're not taking them over this year's raptors to fair, fair. They are good basketball team. I'm gonna keep confirmed. I'm going to keep that in the raptors though, because it seemingly, it's working keep doing tests. I definitely thought. I thought the words would be enough yesterday. And I soon Klay Thompson wasn't soft and not playing. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Yeah. This is interesting. Yours called it a calculated risk, which I think is a little bit bad ass on behalf of the warriors. They're saying we're keeping you guys out. We don't want Katie and clay to get hurt again and be out for sure. Let's see you. Steph curry can just win a finals game by himself. He got fairly close. I mean he put up forty seven if he goes, for sixty maybe that's the case. That's pretty crazy, though, to say, hey, we could maybe push our other all stars to play. But instead, we're going to see if you can win it, and then you had Kevin Durant given the pep talk. I thought that was a bold strategy. I mean yeah. You don't want Klay Thompson to get hurt again. But you also don't wanna lose in five games. If it's too low if the wraps pull out that game to win. You know, they come back there quite jumps the pass to Livingston. He gets the steal to go the other way they score. Maybe they went in overtime, whatever. And but, but clay is still injured of course in game two. Does he play engaged three? Like, would they have a tool whole played them? I believe they would have. I like Jeff Van Gundy asking if they were even gonna plan last night, you know, because he was still there dress. So, yeah. Suppose that they were down to maybe, maybe I was worried about that. And I saw a task tweeting about it like this, like, oh, my God is Curtis. Donna playing on a next level here. He's going to bring in clay, like in the fourth quarter or something like the inspiration. Yeah. Or even just the end of. The end of first quarter, this put them in the corner. He plays the thing was he couldn't run and. Yeah. The issue. It's still sure. And so you need your strings but I didn't know that it wasn't a pain threshold thing. It was that his injury would have gotten potentially could have gotten worse. And so it wasn't Klay just not being able to handle the pain, which she, obviously has right? Not missing a playoff last year, right? Last year with the crazy angle gaining one. That is more of a pain threshold thing. Yes. And you just sort of suck it up, and we know we can. But you're right. This is the like courage, just kept talking about the idea of, like we talked to the doctors. I said can he reinjured this can you make it worse? And there's like yeah. Absolutely. He could the other. That was why they were cautious with them. Katie parts interesting. You see him walking after the game with a little bit of ice on the back of his calf. Okay. I don't think that's a very good sign. But whatever then the other thing about the Katie is that he's going to go up and play against the end of the benchers for the warriors today. Thursday as we record here the day off in between games to see if he can just get up and down. I mean, how are they really gonna value? At just if he's not injured like he's not going to go hard against everybody at the end of the bench. And the warriors assistant coaches is he I guess he is. But is that really a good sign that he's going to be able to play in an NBA finals game like that? Intensities got to be so different because the warriors are not practicing on Thursday. It's just gonna be, you know him against Jacob Evans and and Dame Joan and they're just the Marco Chris DeMarco. Yes. On atom. Exactly. Got. If Katie lights up, Ron. You're looking for that's the barometer. Those guys aren't going to like body him. It's always felt like game force been sort of circled right on the calendar for for a Katie return. It's that's what we've been sort of led to believe. At least. Yeah. But I it was he has to go through a practice before he plays. And now it's kind of a practice before he plays because he's not practicing. He's, he's hanging with the assistant coaches and I just I just question how good he's gonna look in game. Four think Klay will look better, just because he's been playing or maybe like cousins. How do they look in the next game? Honestly. I mean you know, if Katie and Klay play in game four maybe they, they have they look great. They look sort of find the moving. All right. They get the win. Don't you want to percent? Kevin Durant who hasn't played for over thirty minutes of Alphonso McKinney, right? Like I mean, I don't care how bad Kevin. Durant is I'd rather him be out there limping and maybe getting hurt for the summer. Yeah. Especially if you're. He might leave typically look, half of these guys are have some sort of injury right now. Right. I mean, quite got to have an injury cer- feels like that around. I mean, the raptors are not nearly as hurt as the warriors. Come on. No, no. They're not. But warriors have better players in the raptors though. That's a rafters are good t- got the they're really good basketball team. Well, the warriors were pretty upbeat this, why I think Clayton Katie are planning for they're pretty upbeat following this loss. So maybe they know something we don't and it's just them that confidence using through what you think. And dream on post game. He said, no one cares of guys are hurt. Everybody wants to see us lose. I'm sure people are happy that hurt. We just gotta continue to battle win. The next game go back to Toronto win game five come back to oracle when game six and then celebrate fun times head. Yeah. Confident guy. Yeah. He definitely has. And you think back to like a two thousand fifteen finals when they were down to one against the all LeBron team. They were confident heading into game four as well. But the difference then was David Lee had come in giving them a huge spark in game three right? Remember they found out the whole we can just dish to him on the short roll. He'll find somebody who's open. Let's play that way. They didn't have that happen in game three this time. So, yeah, I'm sure Draymond his competent because he's always confident, but it's a little bit different to me. They just must know that they're getting somebody back. Yeah. I think that's right. Would you short short roll is important, though. Jerry mongering when he got into the pick and roll with Steph, it worked. But they just weren't using it a lot. I think they're trying to conserve, everybody's energy steps energy, primarily get him off the ball and not having to bring it up and get trapped, but that one does work and Steph was even in the short roll at time. So they're gonna use that more, I think what everybody think of the Kyle Lowry incident going into the crowd getting pushed there is a scoop about that. Yes, he is a warriors minority owners. Seen the scoop. Yes, I've seen the scoop. What's, what do you think? Heels win axios drop instead changes feels like a real about it. The status of the man pushing makes it kind of makes it worse. Doesn't that definitely? Yeah, what do they do? Does he pay? Right. He wasn't. Yeah. It is strange. Band in, in the world. But I I got a classic Lowery here. He's trying to goad somebody into something that's just his MO, but then you see the guy does reach across and push them for no reason, and seats and apparently did say stuff as well. We don't really know what he said. But yeah he deserved to be you. Can't go pushing like when you're not saying, like, if Lowry was right on top of you and then you're trying to prevent yourself. You know. What's the word squashed smashed up? Yeah. Squish a loved one. At felt like don't sit there and felt like marks yet. It's ridiculous. Yeah. Because it was clearly an angry push. It wasn't. It wasn't like a UFC fighter tapping. No, no, I can't breathe because a woman, I believe taps, right? Someone does give them like this back as they're helping them us the person who was actually involved in the incident. I'm the worst part, the guy wasn't even like he just sat there. And you know, got us phone took a nice little pick up Kyle Lowry throat on your Instagram stories people are going to be re tweeting it. I don't know. Yeah. He shouldn't be at any more games. Maybe they'll make himself his little sharing the to hopefully. Hopefully it's, it's an it's an expensive push. Hey, can't be pushing yeah, it felt like Larry went into the crowd, and we all held our breath thinking as, as you said, skeets, hopefully nothing happens here, but Kyle Lowry took the position that we've all learned from the Russell Westbrook dealing with the jazz fans, we've all learned that you just don't do anything to fans as if you're an NBA player don't mess up. And then that guy comes in pushes him like Kyle Lowry. Bumped his buddy at the bar or something. It was just a reserve. Okay. Outta here, man. But to hear that it's a minority owner. It's, it's real real weird that he doesn't have the, the wherewithal just and not do anything, you know, just, hey, this is the coolest part of the NBA season. This is why I bought a portion of his team because. Yeah, I'm a venture capitalist and I want to make money. But also, like this is part of the experience L straight. There's more of his status is going to do this. Some rich guys like, yeah, I can do whatever I want. What's, what's gonna drink? Jake would never push opposing they'll come on. We don't see guys and if he did with a massage nice. We don't see guys in the front row. Get into the little scuffles, like say it's more likely someone with I don't know millions or billions of dollars that feels pretty entitled is going to do something like that. Then you are. I probably sitting there and just happened to be like two seats down from calorie in front of us or another player in front of us push him angrily the guys at the mouse, and the palace were all millionaires. Thank. Situation. Do you think it should be banned? I it should be up to lower. He should either get to choose this guy is kicked out of the rest of the NBA finals and has to sell his portion of the team or he gets the slap him in the face once on. And it's, it's at media day. So you got a lot of cameras. We get a lot of coverage. I think it'd be a fair punishment. What about we Seinfeld at any has to become Kyle hours Butler? Okay, that's fair to well, Kyle Lowry wants to ban for life because I I've heard call say that about four times in the three hours after the game, he set it on Scott van pelt, I believe you said it in the post game press conference because man shall never attend. Again. So he's he believes that these campaigner of the warriors have released a statement. Okay. What are you got Tim Bontemps? Thanks for the statement sounds like you got a scoop. This receives behavior last night, did not reflect the high standards that we hope to exemplify as an organization. We're extremely disappointed in his actions. And along with Mr Stevens offer our sincere apology to call arena, Toronto Raptors organization for this unfortunate misconduct. There's no place for such interaction between fans or anyone and players at an NBA game. Mr Stevens will not be in attendance at any of the remaining games of the twenty one thousand nine hundred finals review of this matter is ongoing. And if you want to, if you want to contact PR person, the warriors, PR man about it. Raymond Ridder's phone numbers five one zero. I don't know why he's number is on this. He's got take these calls tough. Job only call, Raymond. Everybody call Raymond. Okay. So just to put a button on this, it is Thursday game four on Friday night, because this is the this is the weird part of this final schedule where it is just a one day off in between. What's, what's your vibe for game four and the rest of the series? How it how it shakes out. I mean, are you going to continue to doubt the wraps game forum Delton, okay? Feels like the warriors will be you think it's gonna healthy and have a best of three series. Yeah. And that's great. It is. The best part of a game. Three raptors win is the ideas. It feels like this is going seven. It really does to make sure that does. Yeah. You agree. The raptors will win the championship have Klay Thompson. Kevin durant. Don't play for the rest of the series otherwise. I think it's a toss up probably going seven okay. Let's hear from you. Guys. Jump on Twitter, hash day, the starters. Let's hit the beach tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Our friends at Zanny optical offer a huge variety of high quality stylish frames and state of the art optics starting at just six ninety five you can get multiple frames with this great pricing for less than one pair. Elsewhere start building your eyewear wardrobe from the comfort of your own home at Zanny dot com. 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Does feel like it from all sides Kyrie's side of things. The Celtics side of things I saw this season. He said he wanted to have his jersey retired by the Celtics. And our like he's gone for sure. No, I mean, crazy as well. So I'm walking into Manhattan briggstone yesterday there's photos of him walking. Is that what they're called? Brixton's. Brownstone brownstone. It's a real skeets is Mr. Berg. Mr. brick stone. So what does that mean that means he's not gonna play for the Knicks or the nets? It means nothing but me if he likes to hang out in New York, like every other NBA, where was it in Manhattan or second, third avenue? I feel like they said and he has the biggest smileys headed. Without the biggest we've seen guy. So it felt like he was staying for a why wasn't a hotel. Those are expensive man. I bet all those bricks. Bricks or stones, actually. Well, you know, I like the Lakers because Katie can go back to the war, or go to the team that beat him. I think kyri can rekindle with LeBron, but I liked the nets even a little bit more because it's more of a direct battle against LeBron taken his own team on the other coast in a huge market, just like LeBron has that in Boston different New York's bigger and Boston. True. That's all. Okay. So I, I don't know you would go between those two I don't think he would go to Nick's team because of just the everything that comes along with the Knicks team. Records, sort of we've talked about this in the past of if you were in Kyrie's camp. And you had the decision to go, let's say to the Knicks or to the nets you've been very pro go to Brooklyn. Right. Because of a lot, especially because a lot of negative reasons with the Knicks. Yeah, for sure he's just he's not a lover of the media's not a lover of organizations. I think that falter I you know, I don't know that for sure. But I don't know the next seems like too much of a little while. But what about the problem with the nets of they have a point guard a score? I point guard right now in a free agent, of course, who could go sign with another team. But you're not I can't imagine. You're gonna have a team with Kyrie Dangelo. Russell, but you're also taking carryover Russell in a heartbeat. I would let the ngelo Russell walk in the second. If Kyrie Irving says, I want to sign with your team, maybe a sign and trade him to whoever. So you can try and bring in Anthony Davis, or, or whoever it is. That'd be and said, I still wanna see the nets and the clippers signed somebody. Before. I'm going to actually believe they signed somebody. I guess, maybe it comes down to who is Kyrie Irving, better friends with, as he better friends with LeBron or is he better friends with Kevin Durant. Yeah. And I don't know the guy seems to change his mind quite a bit. So maybe if he's on an upswing with Durant. He's on a downswing LeBron. But it's the summer LeBron kyri can hang out have fun. I hope he stays in the Eastern Conference. So we don't need another guy going out west. I agree too many all stars in the west, we need something to stay in the Eastern Conference as exciting this year coming in thinking therefore teams that could go to the finals from the east, and that's where the Knicks when it comes to Kevin Durant. Have the I guess the advantage when they sit down with him can say, hey, we have the cap space to not only sent you. But then you can have your pick of who you else. Would you like to see as you're sort of you're running meet, if that's another guy? I mean, that, that's where the Knicks sort of have a one up on some of these teams they just have so so much room. Hey, Katie, who do you want you on Kyrie? Well, let's go try and get carry try and get them there. It seems like it's too much of a like they're getting to no matter what. Right. Yeah. They think it doesn't doesn't seem like a foregone conclusion to me, you know, like, as we've talked about what the Knicks their last big free agent signing was Amari Steinmeyer that's a long time ago. And so for them to for us to say, oh, they're getting to, I guess, if they've come to a pre-nup, you know, him K, D, And Kyrie Irving, that they're going to tie the knot in New York. Maybe it'll happen. I don't know. But yeah, the Knicks organization has sure seemed like it seemed like they thought it was a foregone conclusion all season long. And as for the second part of this question from v you know, what impact could his decision have on the rest of the free agency? Let's the crazy part, I think about this summer. It's like not only Kyrie's decision but probably more importantly, katie's decision. Oh, the pelicans decision with a D. And whether he's traded, you know around the draft or before free agency. I mean it's like all these balls are up in the air with some of these guys, if there's this idea of like them teaming up together, like a couple of these big. Names, like you know, who knows with Kawhi, but there is clay, we think he's gonna stay Cambe sounds like he's gonna stay because just pure money. But there's some other ones like sort of second tier guys, you know, like that are out there, Kevin just wanted to add another K. Why not? Tobias and de ngelo and, you know, maybe even Middleton if he does, if he moves on from bucks. But yeah, it's, it's this like, are they calling each other and going? Hey man, like where we're gonna try and do this probably feels like twenty ten again, twenty sixteen. I feel like was the last big free agency year when Kevin Durant became a free agent. And, you know, there's huge caps bike everyone's wondering where he was going to go. But that was kind of, like, where's Kevin Durant to go? And then who's going to get all this crazy money, which ended up being like, you know, MAs got the Lakers, Dwayne Wade to the bowl of all these weird twenty ten. When all these Chris Bosh Dwayne. Wade, LeBron James Amari Carlos boozer are all going to become free agents where they going to end up. Are they going to end up together? The plan have been in the works for two years ahead of time. So I would imagine there's some sort of plan in the works though with Durant, and Kyrie Irving their mind changers. So maybe they're they've got a couple of contingency plan. Yeah. No, you're right and kyri if anything he should look at what's happened. Specially with Boston this year, and, and success. He's had. In the past and go. I'm amazing. I'm all MBA but I need that other guy to there's got to be the second guy. So is it a d is Katie? Is it LeBron? He really truthfully should be, you know, the, the one beat two something to the other one, a that's I don't want to say he's like down. He's like he's the second guy he's the second banana. But that's when he's at his best. I think. Want to hand him just the keys to be the franchise. Yeah. That'd be the don't want to set in guy, and, and maybe you want them on a team that has a little bit more of a veteran presence as well as we saw this year dealing with all the young guys was tough for Kyrie Irving. So maybe the nets are a better choice from that standpoint because. You know, Spencer Dinwiddie seems like a grownup care sliver, it seems like a grownup Demari Carol obviously as Jared Dudley in the locker room as opposed to the Knicks. It's like Kevin Knox's twelve years old Mitchell round and fourteen years old. Right. That's a lot of young guys. Yeah. Yeah. We will see whether or not they've even made up their mind, yet, it's a fascinating just wanted to point out one more note about the photo of Kyrie Irving walking into a Brownstone house. That's fine huge smile. He also has like a monstrous duffel bag. I mean, pretty big duffel bag looks like you stand for a while, and he's wearing what appears to be as Cavs championship. Little signal. Lebron? Hey, I value, our friendship. Let me see the house. Real estate. Oh, you're looking at Kyrie Irving. Yeah. You're looking at Kyrie Irving, but there was a report as to what type of host. I got an magic you'll like this next topic here. Matt is right in your wheelhouse. Hey, charters. I mean starters, you gotta discuss Paul Pierce admitting. He needed a wheelchair in game one of the two thousand eight finals because he had to take a poop was he kidding. I'm so confused now. Miller wrote this in at some point last night, probably before he saw Paul Pierce tweet. Sorry to bust, y'all haters, bubble. But the only hoop emoji ING, I did on June. The fifth two thousand eight was on the Lakers, hashtag fax hashtag haters gonna hate. So people remember see, he didn't poop at any other point that day pooped no times two thousand we're talking about game one two thousand eight finals. It is called the Paul Pierce wheelchair game because he goes down with, you know, some sort of injury on the baseline and he. It doesn't need to sort of look that bad when it first happened. But he's down there. He's clutching on his legs and stuff like that Tony Allen writes, Calabria, the pick them up, put them in a wheelchair. He's wheeled to the back takes poop. I guess, and then comes back to this. Unbelievable applause and Willis Reed, like, and I guess hopefully get that game when victory. Is that right? Yeah. I guess it is sorry. But we should point out that the rumor is that he kicked on the floor. And thus he needed the wheelchair to conceal the poop. That's not part of the conspiracy. Yes. Otherwise, why would you need a wheelchair to poop? Right. Why wouldn't you just kind of them? Yeah. That's what I think, that's what Cianci asked him about immediately. Yes. Some streakish some Shaka's. Yeah. Exactly. White shorts plantain. I saw pictures being shared are those Dr. Yeah. There are some photos some something. Hey, my favorite road of all, that is that people are, like, look at Tony, Allen's face what he's carrying because he's gotta stay face like you smell the dirty diaper. But I don't I mean, if your pants admit it, man. Yeah. Yeah. We all do it. We're all grown up too often bear pants. Right. Yeah. Right. One thing we can Jodi a back and wrap some paper towels from the MAC, waistband your spandex all the way around to the front, waistband, your spandex, it'd be fun regardless of whether or not he pooped his pants. We can all agree that his statement that he did was a joke. Yes. There was no way. That was an admission. He was writing a cheeky entertainer. Yes, shaky Indy, which is why then he had to tweet to confirm. Hey, I was kidding. I mean that's what you couldn't even commit to the bit. Paul Pierce, you suck. Give it a week. At least seriously. That's the whole point of doing a bit where people think. People think Lee Ellison. I hate each other. I'm not gonna ficials say we don't maybe doing. That's a bit. What NBA broadcaster have we talked about more during this postseason, not true? Leila's. Yes, because he's on our show tests mel's getting caught in an airport. No. That was the story of the final right? It was in the third round. Conference. Finals anyways, we have not talked about another broadcaster more than we have Paul Pierce. He's doing his job. So for you to see he sucks. I think is a little off base. That's what every broadcaster. And every every television show every production is looking for hits links, Tassie hoop, doctored photos, and he's keeping that. So do you think. Okay. We got some when there's a car crash people slow down. And look that doesn't mean we want more car crashes. I, I think I thank you for responding, but I do not find that analogy in this scenario. It's exactly what we want. We want Mike Goldfarb crashing that Paul Pierce car over and over and over. And that's what they want. That's what I want to ask you, and Matt. And everybody JD trae. So it was the eleventh eleventh year anniversary of poop gain of the wheelchair anniversary. The last night. Right. So Indy pre-production meeting, you know. You know, we're going to talk about this, we're going to air, this is it decided in that meeting? Is it Mike Goldfarb? Is that somebody else say, hey, Paul, Paul, what everybody thinks you poof. You should admit you should admit tonight that you poop, even if you're if you're joking. Okay. You're saying even come up with this bit himself. I mean, man, you're making JD do a lotta extraordinary just say poop. All right. Yeah. Really, truly planned out or was that sort of off the cuff for Paul Pierce, at least when they were live on camera. All I watched was the clip that was cut for Twitter. So I didn't see earlier but they didn't show it. They didn't like when he said, oh, yeah. I want to admit America, Finally, I pooped my pants. They didn't role in the footage, which leads me to believe it was not pretty. Off the cuff to me, but I want to say one thing to Paul Pierce, a happy. Got you. Put some ex lax in that coffee cups of thinking. Jaylen could have picked him up carry them out smart. There's no guarantees that we're getting to a game six, but if so, I will accept this as my challenge for the final. So you're pooping my pants. I'll do it. I'll do ex lax in the coffee mug. Probably pants anyways. Yeah. There's a reason. A reason. Crazy crazy. All right. Next one with the raptors drastic park reaching peak fame, I was trying to come up with names for potential outdoor viewing parks for other teams. So far, I've only got the Cloverfield for the Celtics, but I'm sure you guys can do better. That's from at jewels Evelyn at jewels Evelyn. I always struggle with that, when I look at it, the first time been fantastic with the tweets by the way, Jules keeping coming. That's a good one drastic part. But you like they're going to have this going and a bunch of other places. Do you have other? I you know name ideas for some other teams the Pacers should have pit row own. That's good. Get tuned up. I liked on pit rats. A really, really good. I'm gonna let really I had the pistons with the garage good to ever in the garage. Yeah. You down to the garage. Tonight doesn't need a ceiling. That's the problem. I mean that's a good question the hive, I know the Hornets call their actual arena, the high out of the times, but the hives buzzing pleasant. Yeah. Pleasant. Yeah. It works works K. Let me see here. Let me look at some teams the bucks. They have. I know I don't know what they call it. What did we ever Scott's this? We did. But I forget what district. Here's the blind, or is that for ducts, it's for ducts, but I just didn't have a deer blind. Let me know. Meals, be killer. You're hunting and the other teams who are not. No. If anything every other team in the NBA when they played the the blind. Okay. What's bullfighting once the arena cult just called? Marina. Daughter, look that up JD. I don't know what do they call it a hobby. Nest. Yeah. Yeah. These are just off the top of the nest the wizards dig- on Allie. Never even seen. Harry potter? How are you doing? The bull ring. Strip bullring one. Where's the meat you down to the bull ring? All ring. Not easy. Not easy. Is what we're getting here. That's not hard though. Okay. Yes, the hammock garden. So they're made out of nets and you're relaxing. If you have better ideas. The clippers the harbor. If we get enough good ones will will read them on the next drop. All right. So if you have potential outdoor viewing parks, you know, you got a name them for other teams. Staples disables for the Mavericks. All right. See at the stables the front rows, can you please shoot that? What needs to be shot. I don't know how those are the rules. Sorry. Country house. Oh, no, no, no, no. Luckily we. I do believe country has won the Kentucky Derby. That's why that's a reference for those that are into the equestrian arts. Final one here. This is a great one. Hey starters, my uncle Blair masters. I lost. My uncle Blair masters is the keyboardist for Garth Brooks. And I will be meeting give later this month at a concert in Eugene, what is amazing word. I know what is one thing. You like me to tell the legendary Garth Brooks. Thanks, a let you know his answer. This is from Tyler his uncle is being Blair masters. Wonderful. Let's go have some fun, fiscal music, JD is showing us a photo believed to be or who he believed to be playing you could player you look like Jaffa glasses a little bit. Are you? That's a great conspiracy. Forget, PU gate genius player masters. Interesting. That's JD is always saying blaring on the radio. Radio. Radio radio is going to be good. Blair. That's. What would you like to would you like? To tell. We're like we should take it something. Hey Tyler ask your uncle, Blair. Ask your uncle player masters. What the differences between slick stuff Rosskop, and cool stuff. And they see what Garth has you need stuff of ranking Tyler doesn't need to ask Blair masters. His uncle us going to meet Garth Brooks. Gonna get that backstage access because his uncle flare masters Blair, masters. These me, sir. You can't come in here. This is backstage, a series of strict. It. My uncle's Boyer masters. Right. This here. Here. Tyler. We're not making fun of, you know, we legit, I just great name to save a great looking guy to Blair Bill. I wanna showed on studio, g. Okay. Do you know studio? No. That's his Facebook live streams. That's what's called. Yes. From studio g live from studio, g all right? Answer. Do you want to start you want to start a shout out? Yes. Okay. And like and I mean, if he says. Like I if you could get him to say, like check out the starters. They post cool stuff. Neat stuff slips. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Title about the conversation begin. Yes. Tyler if you could get us like a little little hit like that little from Garth. Maybe put Blair in the mix, too. Oh. Blair and Garth unbelievable. How about this the starters? It's just it's just sex. Sex. Great. We're not being greedy. We're not saying shut us out on stage from Eugene, no, no, no just but step into studio. Gee, maybe Trish is there. Hey, this is Garth. And you're watching what we want. Let's really, really write this down. Okay. LSU. Is it Ross stuff? I don't know for some reason. It's not showing up in my in my stuff. The raw stuff. Yeah. That's okay. Tyler get whatever you can get, get Garcia and something about the starters in his classic Garth form. And then maybe and then maybe like look over pan over a little Blair masters. The man imagine Blair, masters plan, the starters theme song. It's very keyboard driven. Yeah. On a Hammond organ. Guys rate. Great tweets grade emails, keep them coming hashtag the starters. We're going to have a I guess our next drop. Are we doing to drop on Monday or Tuesday Tuesday because gonna say the game after game? Okay. Just a thousand miles an hour. Let's step into the complaint that. Can't we resolve this conflict without anger? What do you got? You want to just a few quick, quickies or what's the alternative? Few fixes. Or one of the three. I will. Drink your three. Oh my vote might be for the expanding. Now hearing at three. Clinton, number one people that ask Siri to do things on their phone that they could easily do. Like these are the people that press the handicapped button. So the doors flip open automatically, but this is even worse. There was a waiter at a restaurant I was at last week was with a friend. What are you gonna drink wine? I was gonna drink wine, too. Should we get a bottle? I guess so it's the weekend. Waiter comes over so. Well how we're looking. You know, it's like a big wine, lists of, like it's a book, and the writing small, it was dark restaurant. So we're like we're looking for a red. We got some fish come in. We got some meat come, and so you know what? Would you recommend? And. That we got vision. Meek. As you know, from the ordering portion of the proceedings we have some fish coming some need. And so she's looking at the menu, and she's like, well, I think you might want to look at this one just pointing at it. And so I'm kind of creating my neck to look at it as she goes Serey activate my flashlight nothing Siri activate flashlight. Sorry, this isn't still usually Siri active. I'm like it's right there on your home screen. It's literally, the button is right there. Nothing in her hands her phone in her left hand. So her thumb was right near the button. Next sunglasses. We don't talk about this enough. But when the sun is shining, is when you need them the most. But very true, when the sun is shining, and you wear sunglasses, then you sweat more and then the sweat gets in your eyes and it hurts. Interesting turn. You gotta get them ventilated sunglasses. Man. A lot of gaps on the side. I don't really get what you're what are you complaining sunglasses the design of them, too tight now just that, that you want, you need the most is when they hurt you the most. Not saying, I have anything to fix this. And finally summer Fridays. I don't know who were kidding with these go on. What do you mean? Explain what if someone is to someone that maybe doesn't know it's during the summer months, you get to leave at two pm Friday. Right. The, the grand poobah of your company will say, hey, summer Fridays. If we're admitting that people can leave at two pm on a Friday for ten weeks or whatever it is. Why can't they leave at two pm on a Friday, every Friday? Are we getting so much more work done in the winter months from two pm to five pm that we can give people off in the summer? If people can take off at two. In the summer, they should be allowed to do it the whole year. Oh, I agree. Thank you. Yeah. But the idea is like you're not gonna do anything, you're not gonna do anything met with those three hours. Yeah. In my soul. Crushing. No. You might go have everage on a patio and really beverage indoors in the winter. You're probably right. It's weird collection of complaints operations men. They're all Bs. Fourth complaint, thrown in there like it JD. Let's fire the gun. This week's pun gun comes from Martin Chan who lives in Toronto. He mailed in with the raptors in the final, and with most of us living, well we all lived in Toronto. Let's do some Toronto neighbourhoods in areas. Like Doug Christie pit so good. Danforth's. Nice Lou York. Villain. Less less. David Lee Ville. Yeah. Derek rosedale. Little David Italy. Liz, canvas town little portrait, gal Mekel. Junction yard, Doug. Jimmy king street. Church and Wesley Matthews. Kensington market yourself. Downtown, Freddie Brown. Yenisei attention. District. Still, Larry Bird district. Disallow or even. Willow. Dell collies Stein. So Rex Chapman deal, Marcus liberty village. Tony parkdale. Man feels good to talk about trying to Abraham. That's right. Yeah. Real good. What was your favorite Toronto? Neighbourhood judy. Well, I lived on the Danforth I grew up in Leslie Bill. That's a you know, I'm an east end guy. Yeah. His knees. Jane buffet. Today would get a beaches one in there. No. Keach is Kevin beaches sitting. Could they do? It doesn't really work the beach, Mitch yamba. Okay. No, no leelee. That's nice. No leelee. But we do have tweeted the week. When? I'm not doing shadows. Sarli didn't have an EMMY sorry. Prebble scribble, sorry, crew sorry, young type dash sorry. Sorry, sorry. Sorry, you got your name said and shut it to the captain and his wife. This tweet is from at neat Dunkin MBA. He tweeted one thing I forgot to mention from last night. Leila's and team pool just started sobbing dudes in during live action, not even waiting for a stoppage. The we one tweet. Dunkin captain of team Dunkin in the finals versus team pool. That was Liles team that came in on top. We showed you at game winner from Liles in the corner, calls game, call series sort of waves goodbye, but not really points. His finger up in the air very sweaty. Everybody's hugging. Big win the MVP Daniela recalled it, but then, but then needs can comes out with this tweet that shocked my world, the next day, the next day TASS. He was sitting on it. He was letting Li team pool enjoy their moment. But he points out that team leader team pool that that final game. They're just seven guys on the fly like they're playing hockey. I mean I don't know. That's like a protest to me, honestly need Dunkin. You're lucky they were doing it. It was messing with their chemistry. That's when team pool blue. They're huge. There were up, I believe twenty three two nine. Happening team Dunkin have their chemistry came back together. But then once people put their standard starting five out there, Nate Duncan couldn't handle guarding Lee up. Good game winning title winning jump shot. Maybe you should have sub Nate Nate Duncan on team petty because just doing that, that next day is you'd think by the next day, it would have cooled, and he would have been like, oh, I guess we lost, but no only anger anger to volume because he was getting lit up for the defense, and he had a, you know, clips, I saw it was blocking a lot of guys. It's a big guy played well, he was tired. He was very guest. I watched the first game with Dunga and he was already crunched over grabbing his knees grabbing the shorts it was die or it is big guy now used to not used to this up and down play. Le-le-le-let's even said on the final play where he hit the game winner that he was gonna take a three but that NAACP Dunkin's Lang, it bothered eight and think twice it bothered to prevent turned it over just true. They played find defense. Apart, she'll who's who came up with the Baltimore. Yeah. He came up with the ball. Got it back to Lee in the corner. He knocked down the big shot. But yeah, I don't know. I know. But, like if there's something on the flight, I shouldn't have been shouldn't have been happening that he can't deny Chris. Hey and set the whole thing up. So I guess he just subs him, whatever Adam silver, I, imagine he can just come in and play, right? For any team. He wants to your head anytime a heck of a production. Yeah. Once I mean. League five or six cameras you know had post game interviews fun watch. I guess you could probably go back and watch it. It's still there. Yeah. You can watch the whole thing where we getting together to watch it. Man. Were you worried where you worried mad that we're gonna have to like talk about it on the show, and then get into it on the drop? You know it's not welcomed at basically the equivalent of us talking about our I disagree. They run why. Because people know that people in this game, there's footage of this, that, that helps we all we, we take footage of our rods and Lee hit the game winner of the entire tournament. So there's a worthy story we sent like the third or fourth best started to go play anyone MVP. You think you think a team of the four start was. We would've crushed. It was five on five. Downs who? You hell you doesn't. It doesn't matter. Now. J D. J D four. We'll play four and five hands up in the air. Getting away Nate Don. Lee, try to take the charge. Still one of the funnier things loved it flopping. And we didn't kill the on the show because he played great. The Boardman gets paid. Game winner board. Bam board man. Yeah, that's Lee, but he missed a free throw. We didn't get to that crazy on Wednesdays. Television show som- blast at a tweet last night after Steph curry, the free throw. Even the legend. Lonely, the greatest shooters lonely place at a media basketball tournament at that free. Throw life congrats to leelee, of course and team pool for getting it done. Four no took care of business. All right. Let's end this bad boy with some rapid fire. On Monday quite Leonard filed a lawsuit against Nike over a personal logo that quite says night, fraudulently copyrighted, the nine page lawsuit says Leonard traced his notably large hand and inside the hand drew stylized versions of his initials, kale, and the number the one for much of his career to guys, I want you to paint a picture for us. What would your personal brand logo? Looked like trae. I wanna Miami Heat style logo for Seib all season but the ball not a basketball. It's me doing a C ball. And a huge wave coming out Ling like the fire. Maybe it could go from my hair into the wave. Somebody out there could make this. That's very, very nice JD. I make the magic happen on basketball show. So my logo is basically the jump man, but a wizard doing it. Okay. Cloak and you know stars flying out of everything. Okay. These are both great Mattio. What do you got? I got a cat eating a plate of pasta in a circle with a line through it. I don't I'm allergic to cats and I don't eat carbs. This guy hates Guardmen number one enemy. What did you have coming for dinner, you meet coming? There's. Graphic designers out there though that listen to the show, get on to work. Get this get to work. You're right. Our next question is from Martin in beautiful Victoria, British Columbia. Hey guys writes Martin with the rafters in the NBA finals. They're likely lock for a Christmas day game next season. Right hadn't really thought about that since two thousand one was the last time the raptors played on December twenty fifth what something you haven't done in almost twenty years, but you would like to bring back trae. I'd love to get my hair highlighted again frost and tips. I remember back in he through high school and college just sitting there, my mom would pull my hair through like that, highlight cat thing with a little hook throw. The bleach on for a couple of hours. Then come out looking like Justin Timberlake by didn't have all these grades. I might go for it. Yeah, I had the tips as well frost tests are huge. It's time to come back. JD the tips ahead, the full, the full each lawn that turned into guys yet. Skiing. I've been skiing since nineteen ninety eight. Wow. Good one. I'm around that same time. Ski ski trip we had no not. Really? But I enjoyed it. Blank blank. Yeah. Yes. Traditional winter Fridays. Clinton. What do you got? Live up. Oh, twenty years. I'd like to bring back, I'd like to bring back drinking without a hangover. Yeah. You were invincible and you're young. Let me go three or four days straight. Yeah, I could eat a chocolate bar and not feel sick for three days later. You can eat a chocolate bar. Not have a Paul Pierce, wheelchair game, people used to think my skin was like this because a to many bars. Final one. Jaylen Brown interior Rosiere, we're on the bachelorette this week hosting Hannah around and contestant jed Wyatt. At the Celtics practice facility to players shot around with potential lovebirds before chatting, and offering up some serious relationship advice. Jalen told Hanna to find someone who makes you laugh and somebody who's going to accept you for your flaws and your beauty. Very sweet kind words there from Jaylen Brown guys. What's the best love advice, you've ever received trae? If you eat it, she will beat it. Literally eliza. What we do it. And I've I was thinking about this, and I've never received any love advice over in my life. But I did a little research, and I found something that is sort of rings, true from Jerry Seinfeld. And he says being a good husband is like being a stand up comedian you need a ten years before you can call yourself a beginner, which is pretty true. Not true. So what point are you at now? Oh my God. I'm like. Oh my God, I'm like twenty years in this plan living with for twenty year. Basically Seinfeld at this point an expert comedian. Clue are these people? All right. Mattia. What's the best love advice, you've ever received? He like a pitcher, donate them. Just throw. How's that working out? Better good. I I'm throwing I'm really throwing. A high Heaton Mitchell in the backyard. I used to throw like Meacham at all up in my head thinking about every movement and those mechanics. So that when I actually released the ball, I was hit. Yeah. Unsure of myself now. I'm just like Nolan. Ryan is flinging. It flinging. It let it rip center of the plate Jim the heater Nettie. All right. Oh, yeah. It was under would. Well, they both. They. They didn't know I don't remember beach. Rhode was worse. Yeah. We also know kind of put them in a bad spot. It was like a ten foot toss. Turn into really fire. Throw the ball. You want to throw the ball in this. What's up, what she feeding grown men? Let's go out in the ten meter backyard rocking around, that's rapid fire. That's another classic addition of the drop headlock it ain't no semi or semi classic edition. That's, that's a full on classic. If you subscribe to the show on apple podcast, Google that five star rating leaves the review do what you gotta do. Join us tonight. It is Thursday here, June sixth. Join us tonight on MBA TV at seven thirty pm eastern, a look nice on TV can be a little later for you. Are we talking to leelee from Oakland? Oh, you know, doing a whole whole other block already completed challenge. Ooh. No. You had to take take a selfie with a celebrity out there or at least attempt to find guy. Fieri fist-bump, take a photo. I don't remember broadcast last night. He. I didn't see that up. Maybe on JD from twenty years ago, who was on the broadcast, though, beyond say jaycee. I mean, you'd be wanting one up with Al or Jay's either one. Yeah. So see Lee in his game three challenge. We'll talk to him tonight, Thursday night against seven thirty pm. Just heavier I have a great time. Turn up love, you got sorry. I'm going to stop bell stop now. I'm just imagining Lee approaching beyond say, for a selfie sees me say. Say a quick picture. All right. In the Beyhive, Jim bay hive. Just play it. Yeah. Cut this out. Okay. You heard at first one more thing, though. Now you heard it here. I have a great time turn up love you guys, Anthony Keita's also in attendance last night. You heard it here. I have a great time turn up. Love you guys awesome. Thanks for joining us, folks. 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The Drop - Young Lakers, Russ, Spicy P

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The Drop - Young Lakers, Russ, Spicy P

"Good morning sweet world. It's Friday January eighteenth two thousand nineteen thanks for tuning into the drop. These Snoopy to the Marmaduke that is our daily television show the starters, which we know you're watching nightly on NBA TV, and or YouTube. I'm Jay skeets sent me a man who will be sipping on a Margherita by this time tomorrow or close enough at least smells. Yes, I'm taking a few days off as we have Monday off no-show gonna hit the beach where you going Mexico. Short flight shortfall. I got a discount because I'm tall percent. Mexican excellent. Well, having Margarita for me to my right? It's the bearded one trick Herbie. Oh, right there. That's the Ozzy. That's the plan. Next to him. Drubbing him drops starters producer Medio. I don't know. What show? He went on last night. He called himself or they called him. The drip got finally making. All this. Magic happen Jaydee. Hello there isn't here. We are. If you wanna get in touch with this Email us, the starters that NBA dot com. Follow us on Twitter and or Instagram at the starters or check us out on Facebook at Facebook dot com slash the starters. I guess it's official. We're now on Facebook guys. This is a big day January eighteenth. The thirteenth anniversary of the show. The basketball Jones starting on January eighteenth two thousand six our first ever podcast two thousand nineteen that's thirteen years unless my math is just it adds ably wrong. Happy. Here's yeah. I really just wanted to bring that up. So we can hear that drought that so catchy. They'll be my head all day to go everybody so thirteen years ago today, we were at JD's. House and it was a duplicate lower level of. And we were sitting there, I guess at at your dining room table in the sort of living room area. There you had your computer set up and tasks that there and fired up the Mike and started talking basketball. Yep. Sniffing around all time. Yeah. You had hardwood floors here. The click Clack, those nails big show doesn't exist. Those at right exists. It does not thought it. I thought a distant Mike it that. I know those are I shows here. So now, this is this is like something like because we can't the podcast and the show. This is like nearly are twelve hundred show just as the starters. But we had another one thousand shows plus as best ball Jones. Wow. Seven I think and this is eleven ninety three. So we're talking twenty two hundred whole Mike good when you say it allow anniversary one hundred shows mine. That's you. And here's the crazy part. I mean, it's true. There have been some people that have listened to this show have listened to our voices since that first show there's a handful of them out there that have that have continued to support the show and listen the show from the Basle Jones into the starters now. Wow. Cassie an important question. Yeah. Are we giving this podcast bar mitzvah? It is. And what is the what is the gift that you're supposed to give for a thirteenth wedding anniversary? You got a few choices you can go with traditional theme. The. Right. We're getting sexy tonight throwing on our lace thongs and dancing around. That's where luxury tonight show. That's a great idea. But if people want us to cover up, don't worry the modern theme for thirteen th anniversary firs oh. Before I'm about to say sex. Trick question. I asked you, by the way, this podcast is not getting a bar mitzvah because his podcast is a woman and it got a but mitzvah last year. Take that patriarchy. Gillett. Well, happy anniversary throw this podcast in your toilet. On today's podcast. We aren't gonna break out, and we're going to break down the very odd. Dennis Smith junior drama, if you wanna call it that or whatever's going on between the mas- Dennis Smith junior. We're gonna get in worse to the week. That's a that's a nominee for sure we'll discuss DeMarcus cousins his debut tonight what we can maybe expect. What impact he'll have on that where you're squat? We'll get to that. When we step on the beach, and we're gonna fire the punt gun. We're gonna read some tweets and Matt you gotta complain this week not just because it's an anniversary show. The people are quite upset. Like, I guess you sorta we haven't had an official complaint area for the last couple of Friday draw podcasts, but I've been complaining on the beach, and then they don't segments right after do you really wanna hear me twice? We gotta hear that that sting. We gotta hear you really dig in or dive into a nice complaint today. Okay. Okay. You got something. Let's start just like what will look at sort of last night Thursday night's games as sort of jumping off points to a couple of questions about those games or those teams of the players involved. In those teams the first one on Thursday. Okay. See dropped their second game in a row and their fifth third of their last six losing to the LeBron less Lakers. One thirty eight to one twenty eight at home the Laker shot over fifty percent from the floor. Forty seven point five percent from three and Lear gonna love this because they are the worst free throw shooting team in the league ninety percent from the free throw line. What a difference. It makes it does help still this one did go to overtime. But okay, see outscored sixteen to six in that extra period. They went to for twelve from three point range in that bonus five minutes, and they're the worst three points team in the league coups MMA torch, the under defense thirty two points zoo butts twenty-six on twelve fourteen shooting. He was a crazy plus thirty five off the bench. We can talk about the second. Was this the best Lakers win of the season considering you know, LeBron going against the thunder team that was at home and needed a win and pulling it off in overtime and just the performances in general from some of these guys like Koussa zoo bots, even Lonzo ball. What do you think? Best wins for for that least this young Lakers squad. Yeah, I think so I think it's totally acceptable for a young team to play with LeBron James for thirty four games. Could be the best player of all time. Definitely the best player of this era. Many players in the past. I've had had trouble adapting to playing with him. And then starting off one in five believe it was and then going, you know. You know, those first six and then four and to the last six games. So yes, they've turned it around, and it's totally acceptable to play poorly and then to turn around to play better. That's totally understandable. Many many men have had trouble playing with LeBron James at first lots of them. So yeah, it's very very salt. I don't think it was better than Christmas day, though. If you asked me, I mean, they win LeBron went down against the warriors in Oakland. And then they absolutely smoked the warriors off to LeBron out. So that to me was still there most impressive victory. But this one's right there with it because the thunder got off to a huge dot. Yeah. And it looked like it was going to be thirty point blowout. Just the thunder running away with it's the Lakers go back into it early. And then stayed with them. I think that's pretty important for young team to you often see at team when the down early maybe make a run a charge and get back to sort of level Graham, but then all that energy kind of goes away. And they they the the other team kinda pulls away again. And then the circumstances in which. Russell Westbrook gets fouled hits those three free throws. That is another point way. Think that was the thunder's chance, and they probably blew it. The lakers. Yes. Sorry. The Lakers chance, and they probably blew it. And now the funder going to you know, finishing business. Yeah. So the exact opposite exactly the resilience. They showed and the fight. They showed I think that will probably if you Luke Walton is the most satisfying pot of this win. And if your magic and Rob Lee likes to call them in the front office. You gotta be happy with the way that the guys are playing the last two games getting closer to the trade deadline if you wanna try and make a move for something when LeBron comes back. It's good to have Brannon Ingram plan. Well, handling the ball looking like a guy who could be a lead ball handler on some sort of team Lonzo has been super aggressive and Kouzmin just gets buckets all the time. He's the modern day Antawn Jamison. Wow. The ball. It's going to be a shot. Just like, Anton, he shoots more threes, obviously. But that's how the game has changed. Yeah. Splash seven of them in that overtime win and ball back to bowl like that. Call was rough. I mean, the the officials admitted such like they couldn't when they went to look at it the replay. They're looking at whether or not it was three just to find out make sure that Westbrook was behind the line. But while they're seeing that. Oh, yeah. I mean, he did he did his hands on into liberally. Yeah. Yeah. But then Westbrook did the Chris Paul thing where it's like. Well, just go right up. I'm shooting. And then you gotta give me that. And look Westbrook sucks volume this year to surprise that hit all three. But they admitted probably was he was wrapping up but bowl, which was amazing to me is like he'll didn't have any reaction. Like the bench was going crazy. Lebron's tweeting about it. I'm talking about the maybe should have been on the floor. Lonzo ball's just like he's. So even keeled this Fisher, he is so even killed, and then you rightly he like comes back in the overtime, and like really sort of dominated that over. Time he hit that really deep three to set the tone, and then you know, took care of business setting up guys and stuff like that. So he said he said that in the huddle, I think he said two teammates, you know, he sort of took the ownership of that fail. And then he said I'm going to finish it off from here. And he did so congrats to him. He's like a member when the raptors drafted Andrea Bernini tests and like the big. The big check Mark in the Barnea checklist box was like this guy. He so even killed like there's no highs. There's no super lows doesn't matter. He's always like there's like remember talking myself into it like, yeah. Like this. I like that vibe. So. So now, but I think Lonzo ball actually is that he's just he's not really shows very little emotion when he's splashing threes. Or when he made maybe makes a dumb Fowlie left. It a little too late. He's just like nothing. He's a real quiet out there. Yeah. He he keeps it even. The he left it up for interpretation when he he felt him a little too late. He could have done it a touch earlier. Right. He left. It was too. He was Russell was getting up to that line. And he he was a little too close. But the thunder aren't ready to be a championship team quite yet. Yeah. This is a bad run. Okay. They've lost to the wizards the wolves. Okay. They lost the hawks in Atlanta. But that was the member starters bump so that was. Yeah. And now the Lakers without LeBron. So over their last six games the thunder have the twenty eighth worst defensive rating in the league. But this was I mean, they're still overall there's still second best defense in the league. And at times, we're the best what is going on here. Can anyone explains? This sudden slide here for them Billy Donovan last night pointed to the three point shooting the fend that better. But that doesn't explain how Lanta puts up a hundred forty two points. They scored I think forty five to quotas like for this team who turned the season around because I started locking teams down and not missing anybody on Robinson's. But he hasn't been there. It's very very weird to see a team that wants to be taken seriously all of a sudden get killed like these. I mean, suddenly Atlanta that was that was a terrible loss, and you would expect last night I bounce back and fees. Locked in a nice, and I did they were at the stop. But then they just kinda like we not playing anymore the intensity wasn't it. Yeah. They're not ready to. Rotate they simply aren't they're not ready to fight through screens dying through plenty of screens win the Lakers shoot nineteen forty nearly hitting everyone of two three point shots. A lot of them were open. Plenty of them were and yeah, they're going to bang home shots and not to say that the thunder. Don't try but a lot of them. They weren't trying. They simply we're so late. I don't have been a competition a little bit because like chilling just chilling on them to alert a great start. And now they're kind of like, okay, we're in second. We're going to cruise, but they're just not ready to to bust it through this middle sort of the doldrums of the season. But if were like a seven game winning streak of something and I dropped last night. You can put it down. Yeah. But but after the Atlantic it's after the hawks. Yeah. You can even like, okay, you're playing Landa. You think you're going to steamroll them? Yeah. Okay. Whatever we don't need to put the effort on defensively. We'll just outscore you get that. Yeah. But you're right. The here. And then maybe that's what happened though, even they were up huge their starters started. Well, and what did they end up getting the rp seventeen. I think maybe most. Yeah. Did they just take their foot off the pedal? And we're like whatever we're gonna cruise this victory. Maybe, but it's still it's it's strange over these last six here because now they've they weren't second. They drift third. Okay. Technically third now. So warriors in gets ahead of them right yet. They be they can buckle down again. Because you remember was it the fourteen Pacers. Who are so good? They're on top of the world. Roy Hibbert was gonna be a defensive player of the year. They did that photo shoot for G Q, and it was all over they bought into their hype. And they didn't haven't after that. I think this could be different though. 'cause Westbrook won't let this slide for a long time. I don't think I don't think he will be okay with the effort disappearing for the rest of the season. But it has happened before with Paul George team. Could it happen again? Let's let's take a lot of it is Russ on defense though. He's he's not fighting through those screens like he was for forty five games to start the season. Let's talk about him offense to I mean in this one. He went five twelve from three against the Lakers. But he was two of eighteen to eighteen onto. So he was seven thirty overall. He missed a tunnel ups his shooting is it's been abysmal this series. Forty one point five percent from the field. Twenty one point four percent from three. He's garbage the line is Russell Westbrook. A lock to make the all star team. Look a throw this out there. We're gonna make our all star picks. Once we find out the starters, which we find out next Thursday. I think on Fridays dropped then we come down here, and we make our we make our picks as were the coaches for reserves. So we don't need to go through the entire thing here, but is playing himself out of an all-star spot or his he just like, he's Westbrook. He's former MVP he's whatever time all star. It's just come on a season there like is it Walker is like a bit of a border out. Specially when you do pair it with the bad timing of the thunder slide, right? I think that may be comes into play. What do you think, you know, I still lean towards? Lock because he's one two all star game MVP's. If you're an all star, you tend to continue being an all-star until you're really bad, and he's not really bad. He's just not the Westbrook. We've seen for the past couple of seasons. So I would lean towards him being there. But the shooting is bad. The scoring numbers are down as up. So you could say, hey, we got a thunder. And there we got Paul George. Sorry, Russell we'll see next year. But I don't know. I would still guess that Westbrook makes still triple. It'd be very weird to have ago, averaging triple double not, Mike. He leads the league in assists per game. He legally steals per game. Yeah. And the scoring is down to twenty one point eight which was the lowest it's been since two thousand thirteen fourteen I think, and that's the he didn't make the all star team. But injuries, right? We're in play with that one. So that maybe means nothing, but I do think he'll be there. But again paired with the timing of this thunder sort of crappy play it makes a little more intriguing to me, whether you could talk yourself into leaving him off and putting someone else some other guard. He's going through two games from ninth right now. Which is while they're in third technically. But if they fall outside of the postseason playoff picture, the coaches get their ballots in a couple of weeks, they haven't gotten them quite yet. So he's not going to be a starter. The coaches are going to have to vote them in Georgia's definitely going to be a locked to get there. And you know, they may just take one thunder. But it would be on. If he doesn't get there. What's crazy to me is stats aside? You watch him miscellaneous forty five seconds left. You could've put this game away. And he missed the bunny. Buddy's house weird. He's been doing that a lot this year, though, Rimma something's going on. It doesn't have that soft touch anymore. You seems to clunk it when he gets up to it's is very unusual doesn't appear to be injured or or anything just he just seems to forgotten how to finish. So again, we will we'll make our all-star. Reserve picks on next Friday's drop. You. Does get snubbed just how angry. I even just heard I guess it was it was low and arnovitz and they were making their all star picks. You know, before the starters have been announced, obviously, and they got into Westbrook, and they're talking all about it's like crabby shooting numbers and all that. And and but in the end, they're like, he's an all-star though. I mean, he's he's like because he just like he has an impact it feels like on every single play sometimes good, sometimes bad. And it's like how can you not have them in there? Still one of the better players in the league. Even though he's having a very very down near shooting the ball, boy, his standards. Yeah. That's not much impacts the game. They could have won with him shooting to eighteen from two point land. If he just hit another Lucic little shot or fought through a couple more picks the interesting to see all right moving on on Thursday night in Toronto. Raptors forward, PASCAL Siaka laughed at all beautiful left hand lay up at the buzzer wraps. Get the two point win over the sons. Just as time ran in regulation, spicy p blue by bridges on the perimeter with about four seconds ago. And then the eight God over there challenge the shot, but see just rose above them. Again, like nice gentle touch Westbrook should watch him. But it was a very unexpected. I know cool I in this game, but lower is playing. But here you go see at the top time running down game. I mean, go to work and it worked for this one. Was anyone is just as shocked as I was the Nick nurse gave him similar to the Lakers doing a starting lineup change against the bulls. If you're going to do an ice oh for Pascal's Teac to win the game. Do it against the sons and do it against two rookies that makes sense to me what like the bad. It wasn't. He drove it. And he didn't try to just you know, hero bowls, whatever. Yeah. I mean, it's never a sexy. But it was affecting last night. Are you a fan of the spicy p nickname? No. You're you're seeing a lot of people tweeden and talk and say, and it sounds like an SAT in a kind of spice. It's not dissimilar to drippy peeve, which Lee. That was that was a drippy or a spicy. That was more just as spicy p than wanna burn. Well, no. But I don't wanna drip in. We're. Haven't really heard it all that much. I mean, it's just one bird. They the raptors Twitter account left. And right are putting the little red cap everything. Yeah. My fair share Devlin set it on the coal last night. I think that's true that the buzzer. We're all looking for nicknames. That's what we do. But I think Matt mentioned that Luca Danni doesn't need nickname. Because he's the only Luca around. Same goes for PASCAL. Good name that being said if you notice now, suddenly people are calling him Luca the dawn. Yeah. NBA TV thing. It was on around down. I think Paul Pearson. Maybe Cianci came up with it or Jalen one of the two. I don't know. Didn't I bring that up once when we were talking about Luca nicknames? And I went to basketball reference page, and that was one of them. Don. Don or the Don or Luca the dawn. Oh, maybe it was just the done. Yeah. Don. The Don with wonderboy and stuff like that. And then lease the dunk the basketball reference, the donkey, yeah. The ducks catching on Lee dawn is already taken by the way. Don Bradman the trick. Yeah. He averaged hundred career. Wicked her twenty nine tests fifty two centuries was fifty. Was fifty. Fifty two tests twenty nine central. Don was let me it was called the done for man. Cool name for if because basketball happens at night on PM done. PM dunk. I don't mind. Games. And. Score set adrift on memory bliss, not bad. He's got five nicknames basketball. Okay. So the dawn is one of can you name the other for the wonderboy up? Yep. GD? Something something kid just cool hand, Luke. Oh, cool hand, look good. I don't mind. That you were just talking about what the dawn. Well, Don, Brad, Luca Frydman, the Bradman. Another player has this already with different letter. Oh album. Oh, Don Hubbard. Scientists we were just talking about this player. So I think so. Yeah. Well, spicy D. But swaggie. Swaggie L. Why would you say swaggie D? Yeah. True. And last one it'd be a lot of peanuts river. Swigging sunny D. Matador? Oh, yeah. The Mavs tried it never. Trademark that exciting. The matador the mass. Might not navato. Here's what I do. I think that makes them better have you ever considered going by the matador? Please. Classic line that I do use. When someone says, oh, Matt is is your name Athey, which I know sounds like a really dumb question. But people ask it more than you think. Right. As know it's short for mattress gets the laugh every time. It's a good first date. Joe? Citing I your full name, Matthew. Let's get the important stuff. Full. Also Thursday night. The seventy Sixers beat the Pacers one twenty two ninety six in Indy. Embi led the way despite having a sore back. He was what did they have a as right before the game was just questionable questionable buddy, twenty two points, thirteen boards. He desist three blocks all with that stiff back, and he was visit visibly like, you know, grabbing at it every time he was over on the bench. They were doing work on it. But great sideline Butler Simmons also contributed Bartley, though is going on TNT with the idea called the Sixers, quote, the stupidest organization in the history of sports because he is saying, you know, you've got a franchise player and Embiid and he's got a bad back. He's injury prone already has been you know, it looks like you barely walk and you gotta play him in a regular season game. Like, what are you doing? And when fair we don't know the actual injury could have gotten worse. I guess not was he playing it up a little bit for the cameras. He sore. Sure. Of course, he was sore. But you know, he's fighting you said he's warrior after the game. By surprisingly, I understand where. Outback sounds bad. But it may have not been Barclay like Kenny and shack sort of push back like, yeah. He says he's healthy wants to go. Let's go, but Barclays like sometimes you got these you got to. Make sure these guys wanna play but sometimes in their best interest. You should tell them maybe they should it for the long term. And then if a guy rests for health maintenance, they say, why is he rested for help me load management is. Yeah. You gotta manage those load. So you don't get a drippy or spicy. The Sixers seem to be making their run. They seem to be looking like that team. We all believe last year would roll through the Celtics in round two. They they've got the vibe, and they have like an insane schedule coming up here. This was the start of it. I believe this game like their next eleven maybe are against winning teams. And like they're gonna see like. Yeah. Just how good they are. But that was like, you know, I'm sure there's another handful of games this year. But like the three of the big guys on the Sixers like all playing well at the same time. I thought you were getting that last night against the Pacers plays where all three of them were involved. You like M B catches the ball. He fakes dribble handoff to Butler coming around. But then he's not open. So you dish it down into Simmons. And then Butler's, cutting and somebody's open. You can see the flashes of how it's gonna work. There was a lot of times when it was just two of them out there and those two are working in a two man game. And it was working Simmons was posting up. Simmons was the roll, man. They were trying a lot of stuff, and it was all work in last night. Against the team the Pacers who are good at defense. But now, that's I guess the second time in the last week or so where they've been crushed by a better team in Eastern Conference. The Celtics came in and hammer them that was in Boston. The that was in Boston excuse me. And then this one in the second half of back to back. Okay. This one was not issue. This one was weird in that. They couldn't hit a shot offense defensively. Okay. The Sixers are gonna score. But there's just some weird. Yeah. Planks and you say a better team in the Sixers. They're technically tied with the with the Pacers right now. So the Pacers have quietly impressed. But yeah, a couple of clunker this one, especially was was strange. They like Westbrook missing labs. They missed a lot of mid range shots just left. And right. It was strange the Pacers of done well against crappy teams taking care of business. But are about five hundred now against your sort of more elite team, and that's all I feel punching above the white a little bit. I think that they've shown that they are better than those second tier team. Yeah. But they're not really a top tier team myself. I don't so there's somewhere in the middle. You've got your your your raptors, your Celtics, your Sixers, and then and then you got the pace of sort of just floating in the middle there. And then you what you have your heat and your exactly I think that better than old things below them. But I really. I think they're going to take down certainly two of the raptors box Celtics. There's no way they're going to be to those as maybe one of them, but they're not dissimilar to to a team like the clippers where every player in their rotation is good and would play for probably every team. But the high end talent isn't quite there depot is they're all star. And he hasn't been incredible this season hurt a lot. But he's still there only guy who is really an all star level player. And when you're planning it's a team that has three guys who could be all stars you see the difference. Yeah. Turner's giving them. Great defense Simone. Unbelievably official. You know, does his his role. But you're right. They need they need a depot to be all NBA depot to have any sort of chance to to pull to go deep in the playoffs for sure. But and Victor, oh depot has not been in an all star level. It'd be odd to see team that seeded third or fourth at the worst most likely not having all-star doesn't seem especially because he missed time. Sure seems like they're not gonna get an Ulster. Well, that's funny. I mean in I write in we got the the car show. Trey and I know what we talked about here this morning car show like a couple of Jay Leno, right? Yeah. Definitely not comedian who signs Seinfeld. Who's leno? Lanos show not Leno on Seinfeld show. No. I know. But Seinfeld has a show in car. Well, my true. And I believe leno's been on it. Yes. He has. Yeah. Yeah. Let's go a little more current on man when I think car show, I think Leno. Yeah. Because you think he owns a bunch of cars, and he has a literal show about. To fix them. What's under the hood? Where to put the gas speaking's the trunk look like, oh, that's a nice interior. What is that velveteen? Very warm. Also features his cars in his show as well. I know, but no one wants to be Jay Leno. That's why said it, you know. Well, no one knows who Jay Leno is who's listening to her? Good point my boy was scope in our car driving. And as we do every morning and a big talk this morning was about trying to figure out whether a guy like depot, whether the Sixers get three all stars, you know, with Simmons making it what do you do with Lowery? You know, it is. And where does weighed maybe starting this game come into this mess? Look, we we talked it over a good eight minutes, and it didn't really come any sort of. It is because I view Parkway. Naming the conversation fischel. Yeah. But it was the damage done to Ellie for the wizards for him to get back into it. But I don't know he's averaging twenty five five twenty five five and five or something like that Eastern Conference. Just doesn't have a ton of all stars that are making strong cases. So I think it'll be fine. Actually, there will be a lot of guys who miss out that deserve it. It'll be none. Actually, I agree. I think there will be one of the of these guards that we're talking about. I don't I think somebody gets like left out, be an depot Simmons. Simmons gets in this year. Yes. So do I deserve it though. No. But you just got done saying like they might be the third best team. But you who cares? I guess. Yeah. I think so I mean the roaches name them. They're like who am I worried about on the Pacers, Sean guy? Yeah. And they look at the standings as as we said about the thunder if they drop out. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. Just a ringer trade idea. Want to hear your thoughts on guys Jonathan sharks CJ McCollum for Aaron Gordon who says no so Charkes writes, the magic beat a point guard to help develop their young big the blazers need a better pick and roll partner for Damian Lillard, Aaron Gordon would be better in a more complementary role in Portland while CJ McCollum would be better in a featured one down in Orlando. What do you think about that some sort of McCall them for Aaron Gordon yet? I don't hate it. Jim Thome point guard. Not totally point guard. I would agree with that. Yeah. Payment -fornia playing together. I guess because they maxed out born as well. Yeah. Yeah. I don't make sense. Yeah. I think the magic would be more keen to do it just because they haven't had a real good art in a long time. And they keep drafting three four five guys Twitter's. Lee hate the trade machine. What do you think of this? It's interesting are going interesting. Will he what sort of golden you getting in this try to getting the guy who's always? Twenty-three? I know I think he's great upside. And he could be that flow. Spacing super-athlete big man if he can consistently hit that three. But we know that he tends to cool off as a season where his on here. Here's what charts rights. It's win win for everyone. The ceiling for a team built around Lillard, and Gordon is higher than the one with Lillard and McCollum. Okay. And the ceiling for a team built around McCullum is higher than one with Gordon down in Orlando. I think that's fair. I really do. I buy that. They're both the teams that have had positional needs for a long time. The and they would fill the those exact fairly fairly closely to those exact needs. Like, you said magic of had a lot of Biggs. Let's get rid of one. The players have a lot of Little's. Let's get rid of one and get one of the opposites. What do you think? Aaron Gordon averages here. Eighteen fifteen point six. Yeah. It's a little shocking. It isn't this morning. And then the charts his reasoning is like they now play McCollum Lillard so much together. I used to stagger them a lot more. But they're like, hey, Evan Turner. You're running the show with the second unit. So they're just playing together a lot. It's like sixty five percent of their minutes. It used to be last year. Like, so there was times when one guy was just out there Lillard McCall. And now it's up to ninety one point five percent that Lillard Macomer playing together for it was what nearly Terry stuffed with that team. And that's what he that's what he changed up from last year. But now the blazes also have seemed to have just settled back to where we expect them to be more that maybe be six besting. But. Third in the west. But they're not really like, I don't think that any closer than they will ask you know, if it was a blazers thunder playoff series right now. I mean. Yeah. I guess if it was a blazers jazz playoff series right now. Jazz. Trying to help you make your because I with you. I'd like they're good. I don't have a lot of confidence in them. So this is interesting. And then so it's sort of, you know, Charkes ends up throwing Terrence Ross in the mix like Aaron Gordon Terrence Ross and then to make the money work McCollum and either like a mohawk less or Meyers Leonard going back to Orlando. I think the magic would definitely want heartless in that situation. Coloring back. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. It was there. Anyway, let's hear from you guys. It's a fun one. It's a crazy trade idea season here where you just come up with something Chuck out there and see what people think, but I don't dislike it Aaron Gordon Mesa fresh probably needs a fresh start. Not not to say he can excel in Orlando. Probably can. But it would be nice for him after they, you know, go get mogambo and go get Jonathan Isaac and go get surge Abucha and go give rich that. He's definitely an iron going because you seem sometimes with like dribble step back three swish. And you're like, oh my God. Yeah. But then you just say the games just six point, three rebounds. And you're like what is that ever going to be the best player on a very good team? I doubt. I don't think. So I think he is. I think he would be suited to be like that second guy. And I know he's with there. But it's like a dizzy even the best player on very, no, no, mediocre teams. Not. That's a problem shoots. Forty four percent. Thirty five from three. Okay. Respectfully shoots like four game fair. But yeah. I don't know if you have the but the first month of the season like forty four percent from three. And that's what that's where you go. Man. This be awesome. But he just doesn't seem to be able to mine level of consistent. I do want to see him get to the all star game though. He probably won't. But we could use them in an all star game. You don't think he'll ever get there? No. I mean, this all we're talking about everybody's chances. This is actually a lock in these. Yeah. I do. Bigs late that's going to be a block. Lake is going to be a lock. And I think like what are the other bigs Jimmy? Yeah. Jimmy Butler will be a front side. Side. Siaka we're gonna make it. No. I really don't not nuts dot com. Pretty good this year food has never made it his numbers are insane. You know, the magic are in the mix of the crappy east. I think he makes it I really do. And I think deservedly, especially when you look at the competition of the big at least in these. 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The first one is Dennis Smith junior of the Dallas Mavericks, should we put it on Dennis Smith junior? Will you tell me this week? We talked about the rumors reported from watch that the Mazrui looking to trade second year guard Dennis Smith junior. Now, it appears at Dallas doesn't have much say on the matter say in the matter, I guess, this is as writer ESPN's Tim McMahon on the hoop collective podcast Thursday, quote, Dennis Smith has not been banished from the Mavericks. This is not a case of the maverick saying, hey, stay home. We're trying to trade you, and we don't want you to get hurt. This is a case of Smith deciding I'm done here. Let's get a trade going. I don't wanna play Donnie Nelson in the mass front office doesn't want to give up on them. But at this point, what are you going to do? He's refusing to play for you. Thanks to sporting DFW on Twitter for transcribing, but the ethnic Sean strain. Yeah. Tweeted, this sources Dallas Dennis Smith junior and top team officials have talked in pastoral days and had positive communication Mavericks maintain. Smith has been positive and team competitor. Smith hasn't made that trade request. Okay. So there's a good communicator what's going on here. He doesn't wanna play for them. That's what it sure seems like bodies a good guy. Let's confirm. He's a good guy. And if you want them. He's a good to know. Hey, he's not playing for us, buddy. Is a good guy. And he would be great on your team. I that's mad spin trying to save his trade value because people are like why are you giving up on them already? No, no, no. We're not giving up on doesn't actually want out of here. We're just exploring some things. He's gone. Ain't gonna play for the Matson doesn't it certainly sounded like that. Until that report from Shams came in trying to maybe reconcile to get him out on the floor. Because the the luxuries off. I think he's value just does drop. But don't you think that's the whole point of the report? So that it seems like that they're trying to spin it save just I mean, if you are the mass and you're like well now it's out there. We've got to at least show people that he can perform out the wise is like if the longer he's out then it's just like. Well, I mean, how can you increase value? He's not on. But then again, of course, if he injured himself things things that crazy while he's not gonna play because there are some news here ESPN civic man seems to have gotten the similar info from from sources. He said mav's don't expect and unit to join them on upcoming trip to Indiana, and Milwaukee but had productive communication with young still a good communicator. But but McMahon says this has been brewing for some time quote Smith last year, put up okay numbers, not officiant. But the numbers were inflated by garbage time and that honestly just killed Rick Carlisle their head coach if felt like all it's doing is reinforcing terrible habits. It's been awkward between those two for a good year. Now, at least and another tweet from Tim McMahon junior. Did not report that the syllabi for practice this morning for a source not expected measure willing to be patient in an effort to fix the situation at least temporarily Hegel just trying to find the best deal. He doesn't wanna play with the dog. Yep. Dunker? There's no tension between that apparently not be bras. Yeah. Yeah. They like they gilfriend's hang out and stuff like that. So. Sometimes it can be check the trade machine people's Instagram. Go friends relationships, but often in this situation, it can be precipitated by and this has taken my job. I want out that doesn't appear to be the the peace. Like, he's better. I know that but I still wanna play and the Mavericks there's no role for the problem. Here is Ricardo Ellen de Smet to. I don't think Carlisle trust him or likes him in that particular roles and Smith's late. We'll screw you. And that to me. I mean, we recall it doesn't love rookies. Yeah. But I mean, he's a year and a half in. He's twenty one years old like you kind of expected to be super consistent and super productive immediately. I it takes time. And I think he's being a little harsh on him. But but also can't be their point guard. He doesn't have to be though, I think if there's another role their form, and they can try to work it out with him. Because again, he so young give him a chance get let's see if things can if he can figure out another. If he conned then you realize, okay, we have to move on. But I think you can there's a big enough. What's the would, you know, work space time? There's not enough opportunity. A year and a half is what I'm saying go I samples sample sauce. That's what I'm trying to say. Give him two years. Maybe two and a half say, okay. We've tried some of the things we've tried this tried that hasn't worked. Now. We've feels like it's being one year. He was saying that was garbage time. Anyway, then it's like, well, I don't even want to try any more is what it sounds like to me. That's out of the week nominees junior. Rick, I'm leading Mukalla myself in this instance, he's gone plenty of time this year. Well. It's been like forty games. He's playing with Don. Yeah. Maybe a lot of time to figure out if they're going to work, especially when you realize that the that the dunk is going to be your guy. The the game is changed for the Mavericks, obviously with him coming in. So I think they're trying to figure it out on the fly, and it doesn't sit. Well, Dennis Smith. It's almost similar to like Steph on Marbey, Kevin Garnett. When garnet sign that huge contract was like, oh, so I guess he's the franchise and Margarethen like that to say Dennis. Even though they keep telling us. He's a great communicator. Maybe he is he likes talking it. Just sounds like the the the attitudes of Carlisle and Dennis Mitchell clash, and that's the problem. And I don't I think Rick is Los any sort of trust him as almost just the way he goes about the game. I'm reading into it. But he ain't plan. I think they're just gonna trade him. What is the best kissing area for what you could get from? Well, it's I mean this contract is like, obviously, basically nothing right. He's three million a year something like that. So you need to find somebody who sort of in the same scenario young guy on his rookie contract that another team is ready to give up on because the Mavericks need youngest. They need to have youth for a rebuild. You're not going to be great with Danja away. I mean, maybe he'll take the next step. But that means you're getting into the playoffs for share rather than challenging for a championship. So to me they have to bring back somebody who's athletic and somebody who's young and talk of Jonathan Isaac straight up for Dennis Smith junior. You know, one of the big from the magic go to the Mavs, and they get a guard in Dennis Mitchell haven't been good since they won that championship. I haven't shown an ability to be patient to build through the draft. It's more like just get these guys and hope they can immediately take you back to contention. It hasn't worked. So they need to have. We don't realize we have to be patient now with this rebuilt and get some young ago as they grow together rather than try to get. Middle of the middle of the road. Vets. You think Mark Cuban is a patient, man? No. Of course, no. He used to have the twenty four second clock on Shaq tank, but he doesn't do it anymore. Yeah. He used to any and he's you know, like when they negotiate with the other shocks, Mark even like heights out. He's either take my deal or my deals off the table. Yeah. What do they put up a clock or he's just looking at his watch? He would say you're on the twenty four second clock. A few years. I. I stopped. We'll see here. Interesting. All right second nominee Eamonn Shumpert kings guard tried to enter the blazers locker room after a win against Portland. Monday Shumpert was angry at big men use of nuggets for a heart pick. He crushed him. With Shumpert was asked about it. He said some stuff needed to be said between me and him a conversation between two men some stuff happened out there that we needed to have a conversation about that's it nor could shrug it off. I'm not going to worry about it. He's going into retirement soon. I'm not going to worry about a guy who's going into retirement soon. Shumpert later apologized on Twitter for trying to go into the locker room and saying what's up use. It sounds like a great communicator. Need to have a conversation old. Trump was twenty eight. Is he close to retire which is twenty four. Yeah. We're probably grew up watching those those calves teams in the finals, Yousef Nurkic. You know, it's weird. See probably seems like an old guy shepherd seems like it's been around for a while. Yeah. Maybe that's supposed to be. I think it's we think that maybe too because he's in Sacramento now, and he's like one of the older guys that at least he's on that team and all those other guys like twenty twenty one. So maybe that's a part of it. You guys cool with trying to enter a locker room or not? I don't think it's ever a good idea. No, probably not. I mean, if he was just having a conversation chat. It wasn't gonna do catch up. Approach was a knock on the door. There was maybe someone outside and he said, hey, I get in there. Just got a couple of questions. Yes. Definitely definitely pro. He met somebody outside luck because there's always a security guard or two and they secret tunnel. The security cats must sometimes have to know if their buds or not because sometimes, you know, after the game you hear about bud saying I'm gonna go and see my, bud. Securities like, yeah. Sure. He should have done that. But I'm just thinking like how security guard note was like he wanted to you know, maybe going confront gotta read the context. Yes. Ended up. Yeah. Get clearance from the but on the inside that. But number two can come in when Drake tried to join the heat locker room, and they said, no sorry heater the warriors. Probably both. Championship out here. Yeah. Buds third nominee clippers Patrick Beverley tokens? Anthony Davis loss to shoot play. He was right by his bench. So you toss it over to team and ran up the floor continued playing Beverley who's waiting to check in went over to the Pels bench grabbed it from someone on the New Orleans coaching staff. I think any took it back to the clippers bench pelicans player chase down Beverly along the silent got up from his bench and chasing down. Look like the Clark. And when the rest realize what was happening. They gave Beverly a technical foul because everybody was like, hey, hey, look this guy. He's got to shoot from the opposing team. And you gotta tech for you would expect nothing less nothing different from Patrick Kelly. No. Old friend. It's a bad move. I think if a shoe falls off on the court it's fair game. Whoever grabs it should be able to do whatever they want with it. We've seen Tyson Chandler like Chuck shoe, Taj Gibson was playing defense with the shoe if there's a shootout there, do whatever I can't disagree because you're defense can be what if somebody steps on the shooting. Yeah. Wrenches? Their ankle on it supposed to leave that shoe out there. I don't think so trying to dribble. Well, maybe you can speak to this in hockey. If I dropped my stick and your on the other team, you can't touch my stick. Right. You can are you sure to speak up Macklin tasked with no thought, you're gonna say if someone lose a skater you because happy Gilmore wants to know. Hundred percent. I don't know stick. Sort of to the side. But I don't think you can like you can't. Cool can't play with anybody else's sick. I don't think you can you can toss it away. Can't stick in the middle of maybe it's a broken defensive end. You tossed to the side. I just think you can't like I can't use it as a, you know, it's aggressively get rid of it in a very inconvenient way. You could kind of just quickly talk to the side. But you can't throw it over the boards like jacket all the way down so hockey fans out there. No, let let us know. What's the rumor going going on feel? I don't know. I just thought there was something we where you're not allowed to thought next like whistle. They pick it up remove it. That's what I'll yet. Actually almost wanna go as far to say if I dropped my stick. I can't pick it up. What are you talking? Then you go you when you drop your six times, you don't pick it up. It's better for you to go get their stick true. No, I've seen don't they hand each other sometimes sticks to in really as soon as you lose your stick the equipment manager should be getting skeets. Stick from understand se. Hacen it up to the four killing a penalty. Right. Oh. Sticks gone but like broken stick situation. Okay. You're right. Right. You break the graphite stick? You're not gonna play with the mini stick out there. Right. Right. That was fun still well-planned task death. Brought a great point yesterday. But shoes with these new. BB eight shoes or whatever they're called, BBN, dab adapt adapt. So it's a shoe. That is connected to your phone. So there's obviously some kind of bluetooth, whatever transmission WI fi technology going on here, and it can either tighten or loosen the laces in the shoe. Are we not worried that someone's going to hack a shoe? Sure, why not why not especially gamblin's gambling's going to be around soon. Let's say you hack into someone shoe critical play into the game though. Like titan foot way up. Oh, man. Look. It fine. Miller make three in the finals without a shoe on you're going to shoot a three point shot. All of a sudden shoes just the feeling alone with throw you. Yeah. Three. Yeah. Yeah. There's a gambler sitting by the bench show here. He comes press the button that you've got some connections work for a pair of shoes. And we'll go and test it out. We'll go shoot it up and have someone what world do I have connections, pretty connected trays trays this this. This. I'm saying we get a pair of the shoes. Go to try it out. Yeah. We'll see if we can hack. All right. Yeah. We gotta get a coder. Let's get Chris Bosh in here. I'm sure. Like once a year Holden, MBA Akhavan or something like that my crazy attack. They got rid of the hacking roles. You can't. Yeah. But hack Thon is not that thought is like a convention coatings twenty four hour period where you come up with new app ideas, you don't hack into things why not give it a goat tested out. You don't think these people can figure it out? I think someone could figure it out. I don't think that's crazy. That would happen at a hacker is my point. All right. You got an answer to the hockey. Yeah. You guys want some more. Stick talk. Yeah. According to a user on quarrel dot com. Have. Sorry. Yahoo answers or nothing. They have a lot of a block quotes of rural books. I'm I'm trusting you can kick bat or pass away a stick broken or not as long as you're not kicking passing or batting it to someone. So a player can make it harder for an opponent to retrieve their stick. But they can't send their own teammates sticks back to them. So. You can throw it anywhere as long as it's not to somebody. And you can do whatever you want with it say we get the same rules for shoes. Oh my goodness. So you can't even give it to your own thing. You can't help teammate out. Oh, man. Mentioned LeBron Mike Miller shoe everybody. Jason Bourne Jason for all, right? We live Jason Bourne. I allotted situations. I do feel like you would know how to hack shoe shoe with he could hack a shoe with a blackberry. The fruit that would be a blackberry. That's all right. So we'll find out the worst winter on tonight show six PM eastern on NBA TV. Let's hit the beach. Practice. Show. Before you go or are, you gonna on your phone and say prince emails before you go? We gotta drop on Tuesday rule. We will. Post to social a picture of reading emails on the beach. What do you think I think it'd be huge already Packers sun cream and sunshine? Suncream? I yeah. First one here. Hey, guys, DeMarcus cousins is back. Well, he is later tonight versus the clippers. What should we expect from his debut tonight? And is there any concern? He could legit like mess up the warriors free flowing championship. Mo-jo love show. Thanks. That's from Brendan. All right. So cousins coming back tonight Friday night versus the clippers. That's a lock what can we expect maybe in this debut or the first couple of games or should we expect? And then. Yeah. Is there any worry at all of him ruining a good thing here? I guess with the dubs. I think it'll be ready to go. I think he's been sweating it out for months and months and months can he ruin their free flowing offense. I guess there's a chance, but no, I don't think so maybe just those first couple of games as you integrate them and try to make him feel a part of it and good maybe also some things, but I've role. I think the worries offenses being up writing pretty well without him. And I don't think they'll adjust the too much, and I think bookies probably gonna. You know, ten fifteen minutes tonight just to get. Oh, no. No, no. That's interesting. You say that because we got into the whole cousins and the warriors of the most hated team sports yesterday. But I thought and I didn't have chance to bring up on the show. Chris Haines of Yahoo sports. He had a big thing, obviously on cousins and within that article. He said that cousins tried to move his return from injury up a few weeks ago. And Hanes said cousins wanted to speed up that timeline to get back there. But the warriors wanted to implement a ten minute playing restriction on him. And so rather than deal with those constraints cousin said fine. I won't come back. You know, maybe a couple of weeks ago, I'll continue to rehab in order to get more minutes. Pawn return? I think that's a little interesting too because because of a guy playing for hopefully, nothing big contract in his mind. So yeah, you can come back with your only play ten minutes, and he's saying, well, no, no, no, no. If I come back. I assume he thinks he's wants to play you know, what twenty twenty minutes. So so I'm saying he's playing just but we heard from the. Whereas if there is any restriction. No, we haven't that's fair. Into that. Like, they told them that. And he's like, no, I don't wanna play just ten minutes. When I come back. I wanna play you know, whatever again like, maybe it's twenty five minutes. I'm sure it's thirty five minutes, but maybe twenty five usually expect a guy to come back and play ten fifty whatever. But I don't think this is ordinary circumstances. Because again, he's practices like October. They were very very careful to make sure that he was healthy. So you think he's gonna play a lot? Okay. Yeah. They need a big guy too with Jones being out for starting. Yeah. That makes sense because the warriors blow out a lot of team. So I think it's good to get some run against other teams starters teams the kind of players he's gonna be playing against when it comes playoff time. It'll be interesting to see how much of an actual warrior is. Because when the warriors post up like tests said it's to pass to get the ball moving to get some open shots. Maybe on a being being being somebody's open in the corner on the other side after a couple of passes with boogie when he posts up he's trying to score because he's really good on the post. So he'll surely get post touches tonight. But will be him trying to get buckets or him trying to get the warriors buckets. But yeah, he's gonna play good soldier in this situation. It sure feels like he's not really a law guy, which is what the warriors used for their centers. So that's gonna be strange see how he dabs to that. But I think he is going to be the guy who just comes in with a pristine reputation. I think this off season was a little humbling for him. He was a twenty five ten guy for a long time. And reportedly this was the only offer that he received. He can't be a jerk. He can't be. Who's going to sign him? Somebody will sign him obviously, not not in a prominent role anymore. I think he has to work being the deal that he's looking for. He he'll get the, you know, maybe a two year deal. But he's he he wants bigger one. It's gotta be good. He is used to playing like fast. I mean, he was on. I guess the pelicans played the fastest patiently. When he was there with Anthony Davis under gentry played. I think the kings actually had that one year to now it's a whole different team. I get the warriors. But you know, that's what I'm interested to see like just how what is lungs are like just getting up and down the floor after being off of professional basketball a legit basketball for a year. Right. I think it was January. I think it was January last year when he did it. And I was saying last week like this. I thought this was actually like a great time for him to come back because the warriors were like not destroying the league. And all that. And it's like, okay. Maybe that's that's good. Because then you come back, and there's some growing pains, whatever. But then it's funny since I said that they're killing average one hundred and thirty three point eight points per game during this winds. Streak. So now, they are sort of back to being like appearing to be these world. But man, the warriors are trying to get out ahead of this story of like, hey, there's going to be potential growing pains. So everybody, relax or at least. They think there might be because Kirk keeps talking about it. I know Durant was saying hey like we were used to getting twenty shots per game. Now, we get thirteen same with you cousins. Like, that's what you can expect. So they're the one seat which is which is while they can have some growing pains. Nobody really grabbed went out and grabbed that once it. Yeah. Denver's playing really really well and the in the second seed, but they can afford to lose some games because they came out and romped recently. And that just reminded me I wanted to include DeMarcus cousins as a worse of the week nominee because he said he didn't play on Wednesday against the pelicans. Because he didn't wanna give quote you guys the media story play against ole team worst of the week some stores. Right. So he knows he's not going to be awesome to to start. But. Is going to be awesome to watch him. But he knows to double down on that test. Everybody knows the worst thing you can do for the starters is have a big storyline or a big game on a Friday night. A weekend show. There's no finish finish show Saturday convince our producer on Monday that that big game that big storyline from Friday night seal relevant. Who's who's not even angle, man? All right tech tonight. Yeah. I kinda he's got a. Yeah. He's already in the warriors record book with a technical point official stat with the warriors on the bench. He's he scores over twenty. Oh, no. That's like that every tough who they play ever gonna score over twenty. Yes. He just actually cancel your trip. Tasks we got to come in. Finishers are on in Indonesia, Saturdays and Sundays. Hey starters. This is going to seem really petty. But one of the things that I hate most during an NBA game are silencer shots. You know, when the home team goes on like a seven run, they take the lead back, the crowds all hyped up and start screaming. And then all of a sudden the opposing team make some BS layup or mid range jumper in the crowd. Just go silent. I can't explain why. But this just irks me. What are your inexplicable NBA pet peeves? This is from Shurmur. What are your inexplicable NBA pet peeves? They went got a good one. I don't know. How inexplicable this is. But you know, when the shot clock is running down everyone in the whole world is watching the game knows that and God's got the ball in his hands. And he just doesn't even get a shot off like just let go of the bull. I hate that Saima. I don't know if they're protecting field goal percentage. Do you mean at the end of any order into any shot clock as when it's going counting down, you know, you can see everyone's a little bit like is he gonna shoot shoot? And he just doesn't get the showed off like just fling it up even know in either. Because one out of every twenty of those. And it drives me crazy because it's like, you know, the shelf clocks running down it like give yourself a chance on or going full time. Be like, oh, what that was twenty four seconds main. Come on, man. We all know just shoot the ball. Even if it gets blocked, Mike it found. Yeah. Deflect someone they get another a tip in something like that. Just shoot it. Crazy. All right, good. What do you got nicknames based on hair? You got James harden? It's called the beard. Anthony Davis is the Barral. Jared Allen is the fro Spencer Dinwiddie goatee. Yeah. But like what a heart and shaves. What of Anthony Davis PLUS's brow than what to recall him the norm to browse clean face? James harden has never shaving his beard. I think you would've thought Alan Iverson would never cut his right? Yeah. We never call them the corners. No Bemberg can shave because he's fee the fro one Instagram and Twitter. So. The changes social just so easy to me. It's it's the new version of name in a guy de rose D. Wade just like oh, look at that guy. He's got a big beard. He's the beard. What about the like I've been out on the road and people ask about the beat on our show. How do you feel about that? Yeah. But it's more like you are describing. We have four starters. He is the bearded one. Yeah. The one who is. That's right. I'm not saying that's not your name, your nickname that I'm saying. But I'm going to do it today. Okay. The beard, a better nickname for harden or AD or Jared L. Anthony Davis will call them ant, man. Allen is the toolman. James harden? Jimmy harden. State farm one. But do you do you have a pet peeve? Yeah. Well, when I'm out of game arenas that have new clear gorgeous video boards, don't like to. Yeah. Especially when you're in a seat that you can see it. If you're obviously in a good seat that you can't really get a good view the video board. It can be as clear as day. That's fine by me. But I tend to be watching the video of it is and catches you. I dare I'm just watching the game on a video where I'm not at the game. Yeah. That's true. I just took a last weekend. My little brother to his first hawks game. Every never been great seats. We're like four or five rows back. I mean, you can obviously see the floor. No problem. And so many times I looked over at him. And he was just watching the giant like crystal clear like hawks Jumbotron, or whatever it's called above games. Right there. It is it's tough. It's very tough not to. That's a good. I pet peeve. Is when an announcer does not reference a wedgie. It drives me insane. Now, you should at least say we gotta wedgie. That's it and move on talk about whatever you were talking about when that happens, you'll at least got to address it. It's a glorious thing. Obviously doesn't happen. All that much pointed out some people call it a stick your neck ball get out of here with that. I mean. Yeah, that's even worse. Just nothing like the ball. Just got stuck these are professional athletes. The guy is stuck it between the rim and the backward. You got nothing. Get nothing jump on. It doesn't happen often. Which is great more and more announced teams are referencing edgy. And I'm not saying we need a shove it like not at all don't show out. It'd be nice to know. We got enough in the de-block. We don't need to play that sound off. Say it was a wedgie. You gotta get into fan site from Massachusetts. That's right. Okay. I got one more year. And it's actually hard harden has been tearing it up for weeks. However, I still can't find myself sitting down to watch him. I'm by no means a hater. If I had a vote, you would have been my MVP the last two years, but to me watching heart and feels like watching a child who has figured out the three moves that best the basketball video game. I understand I should be appreciating his greatness more. But I just can't do it. So my question is what's something in life. You should appreciate more slash give more attention to. But you just can't do it. Thanks. That's from Reid who is a longtime suffering Hornets fan in Brisbane, Australia. You are a hater. Natch that before we get to that question, which is obviously a little more personal. I saw it. Rod Benson tweet last night at boom, though, he tweeted out about about Hardin. I'm curious why seventy percent of MBA fans, myself included hate watching James harden play. But every single sports talk analyst says, this is awesome and good for the sport. When he scores a hundred and fifteen unassisted points, literally zero dissenting opinions in all of sports media. That's insane. Buono saying everybody, you know, everybody on TV us included point out. How mazing it is? And the writings on. But there's a lot of people which is fair that are like I can't stand watching her play. So I just wanted to if you have a take on that what Bentsen's tweeting out there. No. Instead, it's good for the game. I don't think he good for this parliament knowing. No, it says it, but and the second thing is we also acknowledged that. It's not good for his team either that he can't do it forever. He's gonna get tired. Okay. I like watching them. I don't mind him going to the free throw line for files. People shoot free throws and basketball games. Yana shoots. A ton of free throws. Nobody cares. He just does it differently because he is. So big long people understand that he's getting filed. The Hartman is a more normal sized guy. He gets fouled all the time. If people have a problem with it just seems cheaper. Because harden has to find crafty ways to do it. But I don't mind. It's like watching a baseball game. Not every pitches a home run. Sometimes you just got to see a strike a ball. But I don't wanna I if I'm watching baseball. I know I'm seeing a one on one battle and James harden. I don't wanna watch watch one on five battle pass it. I'm not here watching golf. I'm not watching tennis. I'm not is what it's just a hardened show. But I think there's something facet, of course. It's entertaining. Yeah. All right. Well, what about the question there? What's something in life? You should appreciate more slash give more attention to. But you just can't do it. I wish I was a little bit more like Jay Leno and really liked car. You know, like, I don't even know how many horses I have under the hood of my station wagon. I don't even know how many cylinders in the engine. I rarely washed my car, I don't know how to change my own oil. But I'm in a car every day spent a lot of time in a car every day. It'd be great to actually know how to manage. It. All I can do is get in throw some gas in maybe occasionally put a little windshield washer fluid, and if things are drying up and then cruise around you spend a lot of time in your house. You know, how to do electrical work? I know how I'm more electrical work. Yeah. What do you want to know? I can change a light bulb. A light switch. I can install an outlet. What about thermostat? I've never done thermostat. But it's. Yeah. I've I've installed a water heater before that sounds important. Hey, man, I grew up with a single mom. I learned a lot of stuff when I was young what happened to the car. I didn't start driving sixteen and that was just cruising, bro. I cared about that Chevy. Baretta? Ni- wrecked. It in four weeks in a parking lot of a movie theater donuts over just turning left. Turn left. Just me the parking lot turned left into like a light Pol bitterly hit five miles an hour. Totally ruined cargo. You get. Exactly, right. Valued cars more just in general. What about you guys nothing better than that? I tell you. This guy's talking. That was code for. I didn't care to come up with the NATO boring. All right fair enough. Guys. Right. Well, we gotta get this complaint today. Let's do it. We resolve this conflict without anger. What do you got people that set their watches their clocks forward? What are you doing? I don't I've been thinking about this week. I don't understand. I started thinking about it. Because I got into a a lift going to the airport, and I was cutting it a bit close for sure I don't like to get to an airport early and. Oh my God. It's I going to miss my flight. Right. And I kind of I guess I was like like, I don't know made some kind of towned and the guy's like, oh, don't worry. It's fifteen minutes fast. I made some kind of sound kind of sound talking. I'd probably this. Made a Sally. Yeah. Instead of just say, hey, I might be running late here. You were trying to say to him and say it step on it. Let's let's let's be quick. Let's go. But. Okay. So a it's annoying for the person that has to see your fast clock, that doesn't know you. Driver doesn't cars. The hardest thing to figure out about cars. How you change the time in your car? It's different for every single ours. VCR's times the hardest thing so it's annoying for the person that's getting in your your vehicle, but for the person that. Is doing the clock setting forward. You know, the problem with it. You've said it forward, and it's your watch. It's your clung. So you know, the everytime. You look at it and go. Oh, yeah. That's actually ten minutes. Fast. I could wait ten minutes before I do this. Because I'll tell you this find one person that's prompt in your life. One person's always on time for everything I guarantee you they go. Hey, what's the secret? How you always on time. They go semi watch ten minutes for it. It's always people that are late for everything that have watched the ten minutes for. So it's not helping you. It's not helping me. What's like someone out there that does this? Tell me what's the benefit. Okay. Okay. Because really it's just an excuse to say, oh, you gotta be somewhere at eight and at seven thirty or so home, you're like, well, it's really seven twenty. I think it makes you later. That's the my mom's life story. She was always a clock. Set ahead sorta lady and she was always late. I don't get it either and ten seems like the standard Amana time. People get ten is. Usually there's five people, and then there's ten, but if you're really that late, and you think this works why not go thirty. Yeah. That's too. Yeah. No, I don't know. To do the math. You think Jay Leno sets his clock ahead in every one of his cars. Now's my Jay Leno. I know it's not great. I've never thought about doing Jalen before. All right. Nobody knows what his voice sounds like anyways. This. Well, nowadays, you know, you find we've got an apple watch on wearing it right now. But like everyone's like divide. Everyone's you look at it everything. Check my rings. Everyone's go to device automatically. Because up made in Texas. Well, lately, I've noticed that's been happening on the clock. Right. I think what it is. Is that the radios just people just don't sit them anymore because I know that that's not really the one that they looking for the guide them the clock of record star club. It's always it always. Yeah. Off mine like I said, it probably every six months change it. It's just a couple of minutes and analog. Just drops men Iowa said it to the exact do the button. The press. But then you just know it just like, you know, you sought noticing a couple of weeks ago. It's not quite turning at the same point. And then two minutes off. You just reminded me of something because I know you're a little OCD skates is your stove, Mike, your weight about your microwave microwave is right above. Right. And they both have digital clocks. It drives me nuts. When the when the time is always like trying to if you come over, and we synchronized because you do need four hand, or at least two hands that are not attached to the same body. I will come over, and we can sink your date launching the nukes. You're going to win four. Hey. That's the most frustrating part of win the Powell goes out, and you said. You clocks, and you gotta do it. You gotta by seven thirty eight. It's like you have to press clock. Then you have to the time. Then you have two PM or I am right. But then nothing happens and then a flashes across press clock to continue to wait. Gotta wait no minute longer than the minute. You wait ten match the time on the microwave to the store. You know, you don't have to do. Yeah. For yourselves guys time, a constant just for that time is a contract that completed area though, that's a good question. You mentioned VCR's sitting at Time Warner VCR you've got to be. No. But that's always the classic legit. Does anyone have of UCR that works? We do not what coming over to watch your mind, buddy Grisham. A of likes on our starters scream if we can get this content up. Let's do it. You got a tiny little skeets like plaid cutoff shirt like ball and the a three foot room mullet gone. Yeah. There was a stretch, right? Bordering VCR. I can get it converted for you here. I don't have bringing bringing the tape converter for your here. But but that means that someone's going to be watching. Yeah. There's definitely like a fifteen minutes. Fifteen minute dance break right dance to cross Dame's basement for v. I think I'd ask for like three saw. I'm so tired by the end of it. I was gonna say jump. I missed the bus. What was the third? Chris. I'm about me. Jumper. No. That's not what does it just warm it up. Yeah. Woman up a saw. I'm about to woman uh, Chris. Yeah. That was a second big daddy. Macro mac. Daddy. Okay. Warm. Maybe maybe maybe I'll bring those types of let's fire the gun. Yesterday on the show. We were talking about who will be the NBA's next movie villain. So let's hear some NBA villains like Bain. Wade. Ord the Moritz Wagner. What's that Greek basketball player Thanos? The Nazis that the. Dr von wafer. Nikola joker. Altron maker. Wicked witch of the Westbrook. Good villain. Cool. Red la. Frankenstein Kaminsky, Frankenstein's, monster Frankenstein. Luca drunk, ULA. Luther head. Good. But I don't care heath. Tim legler? Ready straight up Coker? Okay. Gerald green goblin? Bernard kingpin. Great great, man. That's tough. I also had agent ish Smith scar mellow Anthony, scar nicely Marvan bag Neto bag. That's funny and Ricky Hans Grupo. Ricki? All right, Lee, ready. Twin right to just say cheese names. 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That's good advice from colleague on Twitter who said don't over think this way. But. I don't want to do it. Such a dick, man. Probably got tell this story beforehand is why he never does. Tweets, it was an honor to be part of the third stringers and get a win against real MBA starters, hashtag the process. Twin community you fantastic this week in the shadows. I didn't hear you. It's a bigger on a to actually read the tweet is it. Used to want that no one was on TV. I know. Before we say goodbye, let's end with a little rapid fire. All right, L A's Kyle. Kuzma tweeted at halftime of a game. He was playing in on Wednesday. Who's may lose some dollars for sending one word out to the world because tweeting has been barred during games since two thousand nine name a time, you're on the NBA's favorites social media platform when you probably shouldn't have been skeets at any traffic light. Often lot and very rarely do. I look at my phone at some sort of traffic later stops on or whatever, you know, every once in a while I have done it shouldn't do it shouldn't do it trae I was definitely playing Pokemon go and blast in tweets about it the day. My second daughter was born. But you don't. Sitting in the waiting room waiting for my physical and five minutes later like fighting with dummies Twitter, five minutes, getting my blood. He's never been high high blood pressure. So we do the physical, and then, you know, at the end they checked it again, it was back to normal. So don't do it at the doctor. All right. This next. One comes from Rita be on Twitter pardoned dropped fifty eight in overtime loss of the nets. What's the time? You guys did an incredible job but failed anyways skeets fail is the right word. But in our final year at Ryerson. You know, we took radio and television. We had a semester long practicum project that you had to do. A lot of people did like short films or documentaries a series like a web series of something like that that was common sort of undertakings we wrote and I'm talking about Mattio and GD because we were in the same class. I guess group. We wrote produced and directed comedy sitcom called the floor. Now, it was basically a complete rip up of the office. But it had some jokes and we put British office. Bring rip off of the bridge. Head of our time. Anyway, we put a ton of work into this. Of course, Tessie was there one day, helping us onset though. I think you've got food poisoning or you were just saying everybody. Yeah. Food poisoning. It was a well run production JD great job, directing it and all that. But anyway. We lost at the end of the year because there's the terra ords Tara, or I don't know what the collision. Yeah. And we lost best practicum to the Zambia group. I mean, it was tough loss. I thought we had it. But in the end, we lost zombies, which we actually had worked on his will at least. Yeah. Yeah. I was there for at least one or two nights. But anyway, that's tough. That's tough we failed. I guess we didn't win best practical. Killed it though. We did say we did an incredible job those zombie people kill this. Yeah. No wonder they won that he came back from life. Right. Trae sticking with TV stuff. We're over five so far trying to win Emmys season trying to get. Good. Yeah. I mean this year. This is the year. We're going to be EMMY nam and aided got an EMMY nominated. As well. But it wasn't our practicum which we did great at at and also failed. But. Well, definitely you are in. And you're in the pitch that the the the course called the pitch, right? Yeah. Okay. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Mike group had a great pitch. It was a sitcom from the perspective of dogs. It was called free loader. Income pups it was but then I had to change the name. But. It's called free loaders. The entire semester. It all leads to this pitch where you have to pitch in front of Canadian industry leaders. Sure as well as your peers and the room was packed. So it was more than just our class. Anyway, migra pitched your group pitchers five pitches. And we killed it. Like, it was an awesome pitch. But they hated it so much they actually got angry at us. And they were yelling at us at one point. And you guys one I think I do you. Remember, what is ours was space connects that was so bad? I know space. Familiar? Yeah. Canada. I know I know you're so dumb. Can you just quickly give the, you know, the the the synopsis synapses, we did windows monopoly. You know? That's okay. This synopsis of the show. Yeah. Doc show Doug it was based on my dogs. I had two dogs boxers many, and Lennox they were called sugar and Lennox, and it was they were basically talking dogs, and it was all Senator around the dog's mean of crazy idea, but who cares university. And it was just about the community that they live, and it was an adult comedy. So there's you know, red rocket a lot of a lot of toilet humor. Right. So. Yeah. That's it. All right. Well, let's write it. I think ours is a bunch of Canadians that go into space white guy Canadians love that. Hey, you know. Yeah. Candida classic. Can I've seen a lot of tweets now because you know, shits creek the the show Dan Levy getting a lot of attention now can people like this show is a Canadian show, and you only like it now because now it's getting more popular in America. Sad. What are you gonna do? Quick question. JD? Why'd you change the name of your one change it for a meeting sugar? Yeah. I can't remember. Yeah. That's why the thirteen episodes. The problem was that it had to be live action. And it should have been at. I wrote it as an animated, right? Right. Right. Right. They were like, it's gotta be. These people had never seen homeward bound secret life of pets. Thank you dogs. It was literally that secrets let that's ten years to your time last one here. There's a US company which claims it will fill your veins with quote young blood for not so small fee. Ambrosia is a new service that charges eight thousand dollars to inject. What it's saying is the blood of young people. No fine. Thanks. Giving a startup idea, which sounds crazy. But just might work skeets. Okay. What is going to ask you? This is my pitch to you. What is one of the most underrated feelings in the world? I would say it is getting into bed with new sheets. Okay. Now, what is one of the most annoying things in the world. It is washing drying and changing specifically changing your bedsheet. Which is why I'm coming to you tasked with this company that focuses slowly on changing your bed cleaning your bed. However, you want you want it once a day. They'll let yourself the into your place in your bedroom. And change your chief is simply called sheet happens. And that's all we do. Change your bed because everybody hates changing the Goodman. That's a very good one. My house would subscribe to such service. No doubt about it. Aren't you an avid sheet changer in your country? I'm on my way. Is an avid sheet never change. But that's the thing. If we hired this service, we'd be living wipe that would be the number one thing. Lord want for sure? Okay. What's magin? You're a person who is always late. You should be able to hire somebody to come into your house and set all of your clocks. Ten to fifteen minutes. You don't know when it happens though. So you don't know your clocks. Oh, and we'll figure out a way that they can do it on your phone too. So you think that your and the normal time, but your fifteen minutes in the past suddenly you're on time. So that. Yes. Can't when someone tells you come over for dinner at seven, but they've told everyone else thirty always late knowing that you're gonna be half hour relate. Yeah. Yeah. Great. All right. 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The Drop - Butler/Rockets Rumors, Lonzo, OKC

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The Drop - Butler/Rockets Rumors, Lonzo, OKC

"Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Xeni offers thousands of Ford -able eyewear styles starting at just six ninety five. No ridiculous markups. No hassles. Just quality affordable. I wear delivered right to you visits. Any today at Xeni dot com slash NBA. It's Friday October twenty six two thousand eighteen thanks for tuning into the drop. The uncle fester to the lurch. That is our daily television show the starters, which we hope you're watching nightly on NBA TV, and or YouTube. I'm Jay skis alongside me a man who's in the market for some solid running gloves tasks melts. Yeah. I'm looking something very thin. Right. Not too, bulky. No, there's you know, people say doesn't get cold down here. It doesn't. But. To my right. It's the beautiful entry curvy show right there. That's the that's the. Next to him. Dropping them drops starters producer Matteo's. Let's go have some fun, and let's get fiscal play music. I like that. 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We're starting with some, you know, somewhat breaking news. Thanks. All right. Eight the tweet. It is weird is in the show. We'll right now according to wash this was last night on Thursday night. The Houston Rockets have renewed their interest in acquiring wolves all star Jimmy Butler. The rockets most recent offer reportedly includes a maximum of four future first round picks, which fall within league rules, dictating that the picks cannot be conveyed in successive years or stretched beyond seven here. So that's the next four the lottery protections on these are also believed to be limited. We don't know. But they're believed to be fairly limited. Probably when you get into the ladder the later ones. So this is this was last night. I'm already seeing today. I believe it was from someone ESPN. I do forget their name. But saying, no, no, no, no. This is the wolves are not all that interested in this rockets deal, but they have started back up their conversations with the heat. So so we can get to that. And maybe this is just a leak that sort of a play here by by the wolves split. This rockets wolves deal if it is this, and it would have to be players coming back in a lot of people are saying it would be. Marquees Chris and Brandon Knight for contract reasons to make the money work, which EMMY baller, and then these four picks, what do you what do you just be a salary dump? Yes. Other than the draft dumper. I the US you basically right tattoo. You're trading your trading Jimmy Butler for four future first round picks. Would you would you do it? Listen, I'm excited as a basketball fan. First and foremost, I I I thought is this the Brooklyn nets training for Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce trading away, their future sabotaging their future. But it's not because the Brooklyn nets were trying to ride Darren Williams back. They don't have a player as good. As James harden. Darren Williams was their best player. They thought he would be there James harden. And you can argue that that rockets to better players and Chris Paul even though he's who knows what he's going to be in his mid thirties. So it's it doesn't really make sense though. From the wolves perspective seals might they're going to try try and win now. So why are you trading four? I four for four first round pick goes against sort of the whole Tibbs mentality in theory being the coach and the GM of. Yeah. Let's win. Now. I'm excited. See the rockets go for it though. You're all in with Chris Paul, and you've kind of hurt your depth by going and paying Chris Ball forty million per year losing Mugabe and Trevor Ariza so go do it. I'm excited. I would be excited for as a basketball fan to see it happen. But also for the I mean, it has to end in Minnesota. So whether he goes to Houston or Miami, you know, the they'd also have a very very strong team. I think that would propel them into at least at the very least top four seat contender does that Jimmy Butler to the rockets put them ahead of the warriors to you or they same spot. Not ahead. No. I think the better. Yeah. I think I need him. He's a great defender. Great offensive. I do need him. It's interesting because apparently jumped to but I was the rock on the wolves alike. We don't want to send him to the west to make the rockets a powerhouse. We'd rather send him to the. Darrelle more. He's like, okay. Well, I'll throw you full first round picks. We'll that tempt you. I mean, it's a crazy off. Really it's like he's not with full first round picks potentially where they could end up. But it's almost like Barrymore is trying to force their hand to say half. Could you turn down these future assets that could be worth a lot? I feel like that offer to again, if this is real that is not an offer for tips. That's an offer to Glenn. The owner of the wolf really trading them. Are you really trading them? This could set you up for four years for the next seven years, I suppose since Townsend Wiggins are still so young towns was the GM survey number one guy to build your franchise around for two straight seasons. And now, we can't do it. We can't build around this guy, but four first round picks a lot it could extend the wolves window. It's certainly not a win now move. But I would do it on both sides. I would do it for. I only. I only. Yeah. I think I would do it. If the will if I'm the wolves as long as those some of those last two picks, maybe the last two let's say are not either not protected at all which might be tough. But very very limited. Yeah. Faintly protected. So, you know, maybe their top three protected. You're getting really good picks. Because the rockets who knows in that time they could be a bad team. What I'm saying is that gonna be about team in two thousand nineteen I BIC. So that's going to be in the twenties. Probably not even going to be that bad. Maybe in two thousand twenty one with the next one. That's probably, you know, at least it's out of the lottery, I think we would agree with that. Probably. So it's like, it's you gotta have like it's got to be something juicy there, the possibility of a very high tough, I pick or even better. It's just extra assets for the wolves. If they need to move one of those picks draw for Trident some point as well. So you wanna stockpile though, is that's what Danny Ainge has done in Boston. I mean, he's just accumulated all those picks. Maybe he'll spend the maybe he wanted. But it's good to have those assets. Especially feel the wolves. I mean, we know that like this. It's not free agent destination. So. To acquire play down the road, you might need to use these picks to to get someone attractive, but they would be a good team. I wonder what those picks would convey to you. You broke it down there skeets. But let's say they're four picks in the twenties. Jimmy, Butler, not worth four picks in the twenties. Yeah. I think he is. Like, look the rockets championship window is now now now now like this year next year, and maybe one more. I mean, then you're probably like these guys are getting up there in age and injury comes into play. And all that. So yeah, I get I mean you had Butler and you sign them. I mean, man, you are going to be paying through the teeth for this team with three, but you got three great players. You're crazy top. Have you got that deep and you're taking on another guy? Who's personality hasn't worked in a couple of places? Yeah, that's a wild card to all this. They're banking on Jimmy locker room, and Chris Paul and sort of that leadership turning things around. Right. I think it'd be fine Jimmy wants to play with dogs and Chris Paul's dog and Tucker, we talk some great sideline moments. No doubt Jimmy Butler. Chris Paul and the ad each other. But they'll be broS about. Hey, we just competitors out there. He works as hard as I do Jimmy Butler with love to be saying people work as hard as harden. I think would be more of the guy who Jimmy Butler, we get on like if you know Jimmy Butler guy back caught some pardoned doesn't pick them up. And it's an easy basket. Jimmy one too. You know? What's you grew up in Tom ball, Texas, right? Like not far from Houston. And he's talked before. Definitely. But like Houston everything Houston with my team sports team. You know baseball team basketball team football team. And all that. So that makes sense. But I do wonder if this is just because if it is Chris, and it is Brandon Knight. Those guys can't even be traded until at least Pacific tonight with a guy. He gave me trading till October thirty first you do wonder if this is all just sort of a play here a leak purposely leaked to get this heat and wolves discussions going going again. Because maybe it's like, well, yeah. Yeah. Here's this possibility of four future future picks. But remember we were talking about Josh Richardson like a good player. Hey tibbs. Don't you want to win? Now. Plug this guy in on a great contract twenty-five. He plays some D to like maybe just gets that going again. And maybe it gets done with the heat. I'm not ready to to count out Riley. I think if Pat Riley feels that maybe. The rockets moving close, I think he gets back in there. Then if he wants he's like, no, we really got to get these guys. So let's let's start the conversation. I think it actually works great for Pat Riley because there when you counter it to the the offer from the wolves. It's such a it's such an unknown. It's like these picks could be good task said these picks could just be in the twenties. Like, they could be fine. The first round picks. It's nice to have as many as possible. But maybe they're not that hot. So. But when you're the heat, you're like we have a player this guy plays, and he's solid. He's got a great concert. You know, like, it's a nice thing to sort of pit against that. But made you maybe helps this chances is a gunslinger any lake's going further. He likes for the superstar as he did with James harden, and he was very opportunistic and getting James harden. And and traded you know, what he could for him in. Now what he can trade is four first round picks. And again, they went for it with Chris Paul. So it's not going to be crazy surprising to me if they did it. I don't know why. But that's it's it is the maximum number of fix that. You can trade. So we don't see it very often and the Brooklyn nets. They also they weren't trading just their picks. They had somebody else's picking in that mix. Was I thought they had won her. But either way they're also getting Garnett in Pierce at the end of their career, especially at the end of their effective careers Pearson, especially Jimmy Butler, still really good. He's still in the best player on the wolves. So you're not just getting a guy knows to be a star. He's a current star. Yeah. You're on it. I would rather if I'm Minnesota. I think I would take the picks over Josh Richardson. Jeff. Yeah. For sure and the thing with the net. So the main like when they mortgage their future with the Celtics trade, it's like great point about the guys being at the end of their career. They were also like, you know, they thought they were better than they were. No one really thought when they made that move all the nets are suddenly championship contender people thought. Dirty rock. Good too. Yeah. The move was to Brooklyn, you know, they're trying to drum up support for that team. I was like do whatever. But this is the whole thing with more years interesting because you know, reportedly, what was it. It was Eric Gordon and PJ Tucker for Jimmy Butler, early rocket say, no, we're not including Tucker. I mean, they're saying when they say that to me, no, we need him to win against the Golden State Warriors. He's he's instrumental in us beating him. So here's our counter. Players that you're probably not even gonna use. But a bunch of picks. And you know, I wonder if maybe if does this get massaged a little bit. Would you trade Erik Gordon with some of these picks like interesting one because pretty valuable player to them coming off the bench starring away. So. With that night. We don't Chris. Tucker gives Gordon the you know, we can play with them. We can give him minutes. He could score. And then some picks. I don't know everybody in the rockets rotation is valuable now because they are so thin. Yeah. James Ennis hasn't really worked out the way they thought to this point anyway, metals, not working out the way, they thought. So the guys that were all mentioning are vital vital parts. It's it's easy to see a playoff game and the Western Conference finals if they get there where Mike none Tony play seven guys again. Right. There's just not a lot a lot of depth. So Eric, Gordon? Yeah. He's vital PJ Tucker even more vital Clinton. Put Capello obviously extremely vital. And. Then they don't have a backup center if they traded Chris they're going to be looking just like the Lakers are probably looking for somebody. But then as still out, right? I think it he's added even long saying. Yeah, here's what we do know Andy stays out a lot. Even when he's going to come back. He'll be a couple weeks later. Here's what we probably can all agree on the Minnesota rules absolutely have to trade, Jimmy, Butler sooner or later because. We talked about it on last night show. But this is having some effect on Karl Anthony towns, and it's not express. It's. I don't see how you could be shocked by this that I mean, maybe you're shocked by just how bad is numbers already scoring sixteen points per game. He's basically career low numbers across the board and everything, but it's got to have something to do with Jimmy Bullard. Right. The whole the whole situation is he sulking is he unmotivated is. He probably has something to do with tips as well, if I'm honest everybody agrees with that. They got to do something here to sort of salvage the season. Sure. But it's also fun to watch this staring contest between Tom tibidow and all the GM's around the league and how he's not trading them. And it's fun. It's not a wolf. Yeah. Yeah. Karl Anthony towns is obviously affected by it. How long we'll Tom too. But a out or will he get canned before it all happens before and somebody else has to make that trade go down because Tom Twitter doesn't seem to be making it happen whatsoever. Shout out to the bulls trading Jimmy Butler, they took base at the first offer. They got we'll take the first off or whatever it is. We'll even throw in the pick for you guys got four first round picks. That'd be okay. Good job bulls. Exactly is is killing killing. All right. Yeah. There it ain't four. Well, I do think Chris done. Yeah. When when catch shoots, the three inch Rondo the other night novels and then motions to the bench. Take me out. He's having a bad game. You know, early turnovers can't shot save his life. And when the wolves are now neighbors who is a Jim Peterson. Yeah. When he is dropping on the broadcast. You know cat has that look in his face like he doesn't wanna play tonight. All my goodness. So be it. Homer way of saying get out of here. Yeah. I mean, just look at the game logs the one game that Jimmy Butler didn't play Karl Anthony towns all over the place on defense thirty one points every other game he's been seventeen or under. And to me he is one hundred percent sulking, and you could tell in the offseason Jimmy Butler makes the trade request Karl Anthony towns has this giant max offer just sitting on the table. It doesn't say sign it as soon as they say, we're trading him gets out his pen jobs at down. He's in. I agree harm percent. But then it's like, oh, wait, he's still here. He's still here. Playing for us. Come on. Yes. Ridiculous. And he made like a fool of you made a fool this organization Tibbs is on this. Yeah. This is like it's only like in a weird way. It's only towns really only play. Right. It's like well. I'll just be garbage until you've traded or something. Yeah. I mean, I think we thought and I said this last night, it's like one or two things are gonna happen. Wow. Like Butler coming in here and clown in the guys in the starters and cat, and we like well. Going to really light a fire under this guy. And he's going to like this is my team on the mega you get this guy that we don't need them. Or this was going to happen. Or is like why would I play with this guy? Why would I trust this guy and the coach? And that's I think the situation we're in here. It will be interesting to see if trade happens does Carlos he tells lily just go back to like putting up twenty five and twelve I think it happens. I wouldn't be surprised. He's got the time really. Yeah. I said as well like, but you can't feel sorry for him. He's got to get out there. And I mean. I mean, he's got everything he can sort of hope to get from the franchise. So he's going to go out there and perform, but but it is odd to see like their fourth quarters quite often. It's okay. Jimmy brings it up. If it doesn't work out. Jeff Teague is making the player rose making the play and Karl Anthony towns is on the floor. And is it tips responsibility to run it through him a little bit more often. I think so, but it seems like there's a divide a huge divider between vets plus coach versus young guys. Plus, I don't know do they have anybody else on their side. Glenn taylor. I guess I know it's really strange just to counter somebody who said though, you're like, well, I don't really, you know, pity towns like he's got everything from the organization like guess what you're saying like the contract, obviously. But my my point is he got light to he got light to I'm with trae. He's like I'm not science extension if this guy's here. Okay. We're gonna trade him. Okay. You know, what let's go. Boom. I'm in. Oh, wait. He's back at practice. And now he's on national television. Doing an interview is Rachel Nichols. Back giving me up back in and complement saying on the most talented player on the team. But really I got nothing in me and stuff like that. The got likes you by Tibbs or by that organization. So he's frustrated. That's all right. He's frustrated fine. That how you're saying you're still like your children y'all like like talking about the offense and the end of the game. And it's the same thing what we saw in the playoffs last year. He's got a demand that he's gonna give me the ball. I'm gonna go, Mike. Something happened Robin just be passive and waiting for it to happen. And this is probably what Jimmy Butler doesn't like about him. Is that that he that he is passive instead of being aggressive in using his size because he's got a beautiful game. You know, he can hit the three. He's he's got nice hands got nice touch around the room. But he doesn't have that aggressiveness that he needs that. He should be showing. Now, this is what fourth year, I think. Right. Yeah. That's right. Fourth year. You know? No. I haven weakens are incredibly just missed one yet. Yeah. Yeah. But, but that's the thing towns is an incredible talent. And I hope that he he does bans back from this and show what he can do because every play every team would love to have a player of he's skills on their Oeste. But it's that other side of him, which we starting to see now, the attitude and the behavior that he's detracting from he's guy. Yeah. I I wanna see Jimmy Butler on another team, you know, just to see how he'd fit with another squad. But I'm just as excited to see what towns does after Jimmy Butler is eventually traded. I mean, I think Kevin O'Connor was tweeting today like jeans around the league think this is going to be done soon. A lot of people that were at some Dita's event last night. Interviewing James harden. Their like he was hurt. He was in really good mood. He was feeling happy. Perhaps. He's got the inside info. Interesting. Interesting. Maybe by the time. You're listening to this podcast to me is either rocket or heat or some of their team. No, you're kidding. He's still on those issues that oh I found a really good tweet of the week. If we get the tweet that says he's being traded. I'll save for that moment. What an Arthur Hamilton. What a Martin trick. Man. He was at the. Players for that, man. Anything else? I guess with with Butler rockets. Sad cat hanging. Their cat. You don't wanna sad cat grumpy grumpy cat. You don't want to say a cat or grumpy cat. You wanna play full standoffish cats? You want to cat that'll come up to you bad at your hands for a little bit. And then you don't see it for two. Right. That's a classic. That's a great point. We should continue our hanging their cat grumpy, grumpy cat. Yeah. For sure. And then when Butler's traded, piano cat, no keep it. Classically trained. The piano forte. We'll move on here. The nuggets they lost last night to the Lakers. A great game. Another very entertaining Lakers game land Stevenson game. Great unbelievable. He went on like a NATO stretch by himself and the play before that was the one of the ugliest basketball players I've ever seen. It was like the perfect Lance play where he's stumbling and bumbling and like his amazing. And then he and then he hits two threes scores again in like the Lakers they won that game because Lance I got right back into it show. Yeah. Lebron admit, yes. Yeah. But Lance every single game at least two or three times he gets the ball in the palm of his hand. But he doesn't really know what happens after that. It's just like I'm just going to keep doing this. And then just whatever, but he's fun to watch. But when that got you said it in the right injury. Like when that guy does something well in front of his home crowd. Yeah. What teams on like back in his face was days. And now the Lakers fans love. Yeah. Right. Like, it just ignites a crowd like what he does something. Well, it looks to me like the lake is said to him. We're not trying to hold you back. It just be Lance go out and do whatever you do. We'll take the bat. Exactly exactly because there's going to be some crazy place, but there's going to be some energetic the sparking of that second unit, and that's what he did last night Fulham, and he's these leads they're starting lineup. This was something. We talked about on Thursday night show with with all the suspensions right now with no Rondo, no Ingram. They've running with Lonzo. Josh heart is now in there in place of Casey p then you've got LeBron. You got coups MMA as your other big. And then Jovanovski is your only center another great game for that five together. I can. As Lonzo lock to stay in the starting lineup. When run it comes back. I mean, he's not a luck for me. I think he should be. I do. I mean, they're both. They're both good Rondo played. Well, Lonzo is very very good as well. You said some these are this is a nice little stretch still here games. I don't know. I don't know. Okay. I'm not going to be mad either way. Okay. Lonzo I think should finish games. Because at least he has a threat of shooting. Ronald doesn't want to shoot. And that's kinda kills. They're they're small line. They wanna finish games with five. Oh, Cal coups as as the five and juvenile McGee the on the bench. So it's weird to have Rondo in there. I think he just kinda kills the spacing. I also think Lonzo the much better defender than Rondo he's got the size is about the same. But he he just understands the defense. He's got five steals last night. He hits the glass, he does the little things that the Lakers need they need somebody that will do the little things that was Casey p for a while. They thought for a few games he wasn't doing anything. So I think Lonzo the guy that's going to help do everything that they need that. Nobody really thinks about that. They run Di Bailey tries on defense for sure it's being like that. He wants. Yeah. Yeah. He's happy to play the passing lanes. But he gets beaten a ton. Yeah. No. I I stick with Lonzo. I think heart isn't going anywhere. And the interesting part is. What has looked great beside? The Ron Mckee is the big too. Yeah. With two wins. And we can say, well, they're starting lineup was great. I mean were behind in the fourth quarter, and they had close games and all three of their games were in the starters. Right. It's the same thing to me. It's not like they've blown anybody. They beat the Suns which would have happened with Brandon Ingram starting or anybody else starting. I don't think anything is all that different. I just think Kouzmin looks better when he's not playing center or or then, of course, with LeBron either not playing center to each just looks better. He's a better as the four like that. And I know he's dot giving you much on the defensive side of the. Always played hard on defense. Kuzma, he just playing too. Well to not get solid minutes is the other thing. I'm I'm not giving up on Ingram that live by no means of my saying that because you have to play them. This guy is a talented guy. He hasn't had an amazing start here. And then he's obviously throwing throwing haymakers at nothing. But yeah, I think he will be back in their Ingram. But I think so too, but you know, coaches, sometimes if something's working they sort of stick with it. And I it was one thing against the son. Of course, you're going to beat the Suns. But that was a good win against the nuggets. Both task makes great points. I mean, they were down. Plus. Yeah. And every bench guy except for who's this land. Stevenson, of course. Right benches, pretty bad, especially with two guys. Lands. Like, he gets a minus. But he played willful them. Here's A. Plus, she's all sorry. I misunderstood. I thought he said. He said he was understood to javale McGee finishes that that pass from Lance, and we don't see that crazy possession where he palm the ball because that was sort of a second chance jail just didn't finish my interest making those passes happen. I don't know how they get there. But they they get their the reason I went into that was because it was going to say the nuggets lose. And so their perfect season has come to an end. There's four undefeated teams left the raptors the bucks, the pelicans and the pistons who stayed undefeated after beating the Cavs last night. Kevin love they've had a pretty easy scheduled. But of those four hundred eighty two team says as one impressed you more than the others. Pelicans. I know it's only one really great win. But to me, I expected the wraps this sort of keep up with what they did last year in choirs. I guess surprise in some degree that he's thirty five point game. Well, maybe we didn't expect that just how how comfortable he looks guys. He's never played with two is. Well, he was easy last year. He just didn't want to play. He's been healthy for a long time. I wouldn't say healthy. But he hasn't been he wasn't injured injured. And yeah, he looks great offensively defensively. Other apps are they're in the driver's seat. Eighty two. A big game this weekend against the pistons. Right. They play the pistons Monday, maybe a big game. Yeah. Onto faded. They've bayton Brooklyn claves, Chicago Cleveland Philly. Philly's. But still, you know, these are the winds that make a difference at the end of the and the pistons of pulled him out and Blake has been better than just like cashing in on playing against bad teams. He's being really good. So it's it's good for the pistons. But will they be able to maintain their also I think had three of the four games at home? Yes. So a lot of these close games. We've got over it. Yeah. I think if you're ranking the four teams that are undefeated right now. Probably everyone's gonna put the pistons laugh. Yeah. Just because of their easy skip imagine they would like one and three now off that schedule. Then it'd just be like, this is just a disaster in Detroit. So good on them for for getting out of the blocks. And getting a good start and having having Blake look, right? He's averaging thirty four points per game right out drumming another twenty twenty game. He's I think he's grabbing laying nearly eighteen rebounds a game Reggie Jackson's hitting threes for them right now Casey's gone with two guards. Would you did in the raptors land a lot with like he'll play Ishmael and then play Reggie Jackson together. Working right now. It's an easier schedule, but it's working. Yeah. It seems like the relying a little too much on Blake. It gets the entire fourth quarter Blake's your point guard and your score and a lot of things and I wonder if that's just gonna keep up. I think this is a great. It's a great era for Blake ball because. You know, bully ball is I think Blake's forte really to score baskets, and now believable doesn't really exist. Because there's so much space out there playing five out and guys can't impede other guys. So there's there's more space out there for Blake defenders. She doesn't have a finishing move. He's never been like a number one offensive guy. But I think the space really helps and the fact that every was called out there really helps as well. So this is the best air of Blake Griffin for sure, and he was healthy this summer, and that's something we we don't really care about. But he was healthy coming into the season. So that really has helped him he's just got to stay healthy. And then or the pistons it's funny because all of a sudden, they're on the show didn't call them, a playoff lock and therefore. No. And this is the best Blake. We've seen. But there's still matter playoff, look, which is. Let me if this is the Blake Griffin we've ever seen that best Blake Griffin we've ever seen and he's a superstar. Why shouldn't they be a playoff lock in the Eastern Conference because around them because they're going to be fighting with two other teams for the seventh eighth and ninth. Yeah, spun that's why it's a lot. I think they're gonna I think the chances of them being the seventh or eighth seed in the east are high. I do because I can't talk myself into a lot of these other teams like the problem. You just start running at a teams in the east. We went through the walks. I mean, there's five lakhs we all agreed with. Yeah. So much the other teams shouldn't shouldn't a superstar Blake in his prime big. But he's but I can't right. But I don't think you can ride with Blake being healthy. And for sure or is other Reggie Jackson being healthy. Oh, yeah. You're not putting money on Blake Griffin playing this way for all eighty two games. You know, playing putting money on bleeker playing all eighty two games. Even seventy you're going to be like, all right? I'll hopefully, I'll take seventy and him being a I don't know. There's a lot on his shoulders. It seems like I'm being a point guard too. I mean, it's fun to watch. Sometimes. But. It's also not fun to watch. Sometimes. I wanna slip this in here. One of the teams that doesn't have a win yet thunder. They lose to the Celtics last night complete collapse down the stretch. Celtics ended on a sixteen to one run. Someone can fact check me and that if they want to lead looked like they were going to get the win. And then the Celtics hit some shots in the second half. No doubt they hit some threes, which they hadn't hit all season. But the center led by Westbrook just took bad shot after bad shot after bad shot clock. All like, no ball movement. Crazy when a team desperate for a win early like at home. Yeah. Like in the book seat as well against the team that struggles to school and they just their offense. I know what happened there with Billy. Donovan was like Russell just try to take time Russell's like tell him anything man just gonna play the way he plays. Plus it, you know, after the game said that was on me. I mean, it was he also said don't worry. I'll get us back. Yeah. No, you're right. That was on me. It wasn't any different than they play. No, no, no. I know that'd be but it was ugly. It was really ugly because the first half was garbage on the Celtics. I the second half especially into the fourth was garbage from the tune into. That's incredible. But that's what sparked them I think that would down in eleven to thirteen then he eats those three threes threes. Hit one. I think kyri might have hit one as well of sudden, it was like a even gaming could just sort of feel that the Celtics. All right. We back in this. Otherwise. This. Their offense was what did I school thirty four points. Yeah. Yeah. Missing shots. It looked weird NBA players just especially in this era free throws as well wide. Open shots. Clank clank missed what twenty-seven threes in game seven last year. Right. Isn't that wasn't that the stat or something like that? Against. The game seven like they shot terrible percentage of that happens. That's a good point anyone worried about the thunder. I know it's early on four though. Yeah. I mean in the west like they have to put together a string of Wednesday. The sooner they'll find themselves battling just to get into the playoffs. They didn't have a hot start last year either. And then by Christmas had a pretty, you know, I think there were two thousand fifteen going that route. But yeah, I mean, they don't seem to definitely not hundred percent. He's not in a group. You didn't play basketball on September slash October. Hurts I think, you know, even though he looks athlete increase athletic. You know, it's just not in basketball each shape sixteen one run. That's like the warriors and twenty seventeen I just have to look that up. So that's why I interjected now five minutes too, late one more one more thing. I wanted to sort of expand on it a little bit MVP chances for Steph curry here laughing. You don't think there's really no, I do you think there's a chance I think there's a. Chance. Yes. It goes for fifty one against the wizards in one of the most disrespectful performances I've ever seen from one guy to another team. I'm so I I can't get over it. I feel I don't feel like I am I making too big a deal you guys. I know what you're saying embarrassing. He was just like I'm just shooting from wherever in rhythm. Shrug feels like fifteen sixteen curry when he was unanimous MVP. He's gun in man. He's coming out. He's putting up the biggest numbers. He's put up since. Kevin Durant showed up biggest usage percentage should take a ton of threes. And they're all going in right now, they won't all go in all season. But if he's going to play like, this is still my team. I'm still the number one guy he can win MVP again because he has the buzz right now. And no one else has actually shooting threes for the warriors right now, struggling clay. Klay can't awful. I think Durant hit two in a game against Washington as well. But other than that, no one else had hit more than one and a game. Durand's thirty points at fifty one point game curry, which is why people say, oh, he won't be able to win another MVP because if you plays with Durant if Katie is there. You just can't. But you can't I think if you just do better than you did in your to VP seasons. I and your team is still obviously one of the best teams in the league. I think it's in play. I don't think it's likely though, I think it would have to be historically better. I think it would have to be sort of Westbrook. Ask getting a triple double for the first time in fifty years. It'd have to be something like that something we've never seen before percentages wise, probably a fifty fifty ninety season or something like that. Then you can't ignore it. Otherwise it which is on pace for right now, by the way, he's fifty five fifty to ninety otherwise it's he's better. And he's great. But yet Durant's on his team. He's one too. I just think it has to have some sort of, you know, triple double cash eight where you can say. Yeah. Say fifty forty ninety. But he leads the league in scoring and they're the best sixty Iranian businesses. Fifteen twenty gay or something. Yeah. No. I that's obviously better K D. But yeah, then you're going to get a Yanni stern AD, or, you know, somebody's when maybe Colli if the raptors do win like a sixty five games, the most ever, you know, sure could be an and it was very split amongst GM's in the gym survey as to who is the favourite. So maybe the votes will be passed. But if what if K D average is like if you go at this pace where katie's still having a good year, and clay and Dray or have disappeared off the scoresheet and Katie ever just like twenty seven. I don't know. I think that takes votes away from Jerry problems. So people the counter goes on why the heck couldn't curry win. It even though he plays a Durant. This has happened. You know, guys have one of EPA's playing with other MVP guys. Lebron obviously with the heat to hall of famers in Wayne and boss, especially weighed when you focusing. On that. I mean back any of the Lakers teams with magic winning with other hall of famers same with bird like all the time. Right. I think the difference though is when these guys win so LeBron bird magic, whatever even Jordan Pippen. Right. It's like. There is no real argument that those are not the best guys on that particular team. Right. So they're playing with hall of famers Bill. Larry Bird is better than Kevin McHale. And he's better than parish. And Saint Louis Ron is better than the question with the warriors is is curry the best is he even the best player on his team. I think that's sort of what makes it maybe a little difficult for voters to wrap their head around. If you were to like to try and give it like pastor said curry goes through thirty five points per game. But Durant at twenty nine or thirty. I mean, you can have the argument yet. He is the best player on the team. Look what he's doing. But I think some people think it's still Durant. I think I to awards, oh, if you'll tickles over the most valuable and get the up man out there most outstanding player. Just like mom push for. That's the Canadian Football League award for the best player. I guess we ain't Kobe and shack with together in those early. Yes. Shack wanted in. But only one wants another of them did it when they were clearly the best thing. Yeah. So I wonder if they kind of impacted I like that a little bit. Yeah. I would still say that with Shaq was always the best player teams. But he was kind of overlooked. Yeah. I guess because we want office in one one in Duncan Duncan. Yeah. So good place, obviously. But but the lake is with a dominant team that dominant force at the tilts. It's sort of cool to hear like, I think it was Tim Keller commie for the athlete did have an article on Curry's, you know, lighten it up and his MVP chances and like get a lot of quotes for like coaches and players on the warriors. And like, they know this is a thing. Right. Like, they talk about it. Like Steve Kerr said he admitted when Kevin Steph or not even mentioned in the MVP conversation at the beginning of the year, the top six or seven players they both see that like they're both well aware of it. You know, Udal talked about like Steph should win every award. But you know, he won't and then Durant had thoughts on the MVP being only for up and comers. Like what the sort of the most improved almost like a glorified visionless sort of? So which is why we throw it Anthony Davis and Janas and leading news. It's just a new new guy. Yeah. People don't want the. Guy over and over so lebrons. Only one four and you can say only because he should have one more right, right? And shacks a perfect example only winning one, right? Well, let's hear from you guys. I think Korea has any chance at all. It would be to think that curry goes into games thinking, I'm winning at this year. But there's not a chance he does not. Like, I'm I'm overshooting to get my stats up. The, you know, Dan, the detriment of the team who cares? Who cares? What happens with the team in our performance? I'm doing it to the detriment of our team. He he would never do that. He's just above that. The problem is what he's on fire as he started this season. Every game is better than almost any other shot from anyone. When he's hot he's hot. I just don't think like the finals MVP that he's never gotten. He doesn't care, and I don't know about the. The already. I don't think he cares about files. MVP all that much. I just don't I don't think we'll look back thirty forty years from now and be like he didn't win a finals MVP. I don't know. I just don't we probably will. VP four five years in their best player didn't get a single finals MVP. Yeah. It'll be more like an outrage. More like what how do we give it time grade went to Allah? Well, yeah. Right. Right. Right. Right. That one sure that's fair. I was I was championing curry for that one. But because he is leaving. As leaving next year. So he's just reminding everybody, I'm the man here. I'm the man we're gonna win another title. I'm going to be our best player. And then when Kevin Durant leads. We'll be fine. We're still going to be the best because I'm still the MVP. So you think do you think the warriors win the title again this year for sure, and you think Durant leave? Yup. I'll hold. Oh, hold. The next year Houston with Jimmy Butler. That's a title contender. That's right. That's right. Is not for this for next season Fisher. I love these thoughts. Great thoughts. Let's your thoughts. All right. Let's get to the week, ladies and gentlemen. The worst of the week. Six nominees. Don't worry. They're quick. You guys will debate them after we're all send on first up is everyone involved in the rockets Lakers spit gate because as why cleft said. Fight. Junkie. JD said should we cut it up before she curious secure? I said, yes, I made a mistake. Yeah. No, bro. All right. Second one Carmella. I shot went up on the rockets rockets rim. I I wrote rockets hammers he called off his teammates for the board. It was clear sailing for him to go grab that baby. But it slipped off his hands and went out of bounds. The best part you have to listen in here is what he said as he went for it. Man, you really can't hear that. I couldn't hear what he says. He says get that bleep out of here. I got it. Yeah. Get out of here. I got it. One more time. Yeah. You really can't hear it. All right, next one. Joel. He committed a ridiculously bad flop that got him at warning from the league. And after the loss of the pistons he called out Andre Drummond, saying he quote owned some real estate in Drummond's head people very upset with Joel Embiid number one because he flat number two because he called Drummond in law. Your thoughts this Joel Embiid? This is what he does win or lose. He just likes the. Do you like it? I don't like the flop shoes because that was put that Eric. You talking about going out there and like beaten this guy as your two bigs going at it and you own him. And then you're like flop, and I don't know it's not good for his reputation with the rest. I don't I don't care so much about the locker room. I think the guys in the locker room know that he's a good teammate. But you can't flop with risks because then they look out for it. And not only would they look for but in questionable situations because it's impossible to really know in a guy flops in the NBA. It's just too fast. He may not get the whistle. That's what I would be worried about if you continue to do. So, but he doesn't really have a reputation the boy that cried wolf. Yeah. Yeah. The boy. Karl Anthony towns, we don't have to repeat it. But hang in there hanging in there. And they're grumpy. Bub. Fifth one Leila's. When asked on our Wednesday's show. What feature he'd like to add an NBA arena? He said a dartboard. Sorry. That's what he picks dots darts aren't the debate people like the darts. Yes. Right. Nothing to do with an MBA game. Yeah. They're gonna play when you're while. You're watching your people around the concourse during a game tons. Cons, he'll play darts. And he wants people don't want to watch something else to do get up there and throw some dots. Man. You had that crossfire in the bag until you went with Dart's. You love dots. You keep saying that up until. Talked with you once now. Maybe but I'm telling you. The concourse and those dot board. There's no way we just had. Let's give it a miss. Be quiet. Guarantee. Well, someone's has to put adopting and we have to test these theories. You want to just had those sharp darts. Just that Moore antibody. It's not it's not you think it is. But it's not because people stay they got that's dangerous. So they stay away area. Area. We're we're gonna steal on kids are going to get poked with them. It's sort of. I think you could operate a sort of like a baseball game where you have a radar gun, and you Chuck a baseball as hard as you can it's a, you know, it's a monitored station. So if it's a monitor. Yeah. You probably shouldn't be playing darts. Somebody. There's somebody handling it and handing you the dart says they wouldn't hand it to a four year old. Why don't we go to the game? We enjoy the game. We have a pop and then after the game we go to a bar. Plato problem there. He's not going to. All right. Let's do it. What do it starts? He does going out after. On tuesday. We couldn't communicate. I went to Dan Thomasson spas. All right. I sent you a message not not what's going on with Dan Tana's closing. That's crazy. Hawks game at ten o'clock opening not what are you doing? Yeah. That's ridiculous. Of the week that Dan expect a bar. Owned by Bob sag, it to be better go keep going. You know, if this you know, what they serve it. Dan, Tana's Tito's Tito's, Dan Danna. Play darts more than twice if you can't playing darts here in studio. Joke job up Jack Daniel's, Tennessee Honey board dartboard when they sponsored the show. All of a sudden poof goes the spots. In the back. This my with you like bringing back with you to a game. If you've got a dartboard in their Manila folder. So I don't see it. I was gonna say test is funny. You brought up the the radar gun thing. At a baseball game doesn't really have an equivalent like in the concord hunger shot anywhere. Yeah. Yeah. You would think that I'm sure maybe some arenas had used to have like a high high. Can you jump sort of thing jumping style or something? Yeah. The rafters headed outside a gate one. That's right in the arena, though. But on the way to on the way to see. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. What's so? Sorry. I'm blanking on the word here. What's happens in the spring college players to it Kumba, Marquette combine activities? Right. Like a sprint. Out the Braves stadium. The new Braves baseball stadium. They have some sort of like forty are. Dash like, you're stealing a base type thing, and they time you so you're right. Yeah. More scenes. Machines sh. Last one former Commissioner David Stern he had an interview with SI Chris Ballard, and it's specifically about this one topic why he could be worse than the week league. The league had ownership of the New Orleans Hornets. If you remember once upon a time and the GM of the team del Dem's thought he traded Chris Paul to the Lakers, but it was stopped by the NBA and to quote, David Stern in his article. He said, here's a trade that del Dem's wanted us to approve an I said, heck, no, but he had told raucous Jim Durham Maury and then Lakers, Jim Mitch Kupchak. He had a thirty to do it. And he didn't I said, no, we just settled a lockout. And you want me to approve a basketball trade Dem's had agreed to trade Paul to the Lakers for Kevin Martin and Lewis schooler something, and I said we can do better than that. And then the next raid was so the clippers for airborne Alfred comedian, and what we thought was really great traffic the tenth pick which turned out to be Austin rivers, at least those three and someone else Senator Chris came in. But del dams is a lousy general manager, and none of those players. Are currently with the team anymore, and he may lose Anthony Davis. I did it because I was protecting the then Hornets to this day, everyone always asked me. Well, why did you keep Chris Paul from going the Lakers? I didn't keep them. I didn't approve the trade. No team sells trades a future hall of Famer without the owner signing off, and I was the owner's rep. But I wasn't going to hand up. Del Dem's who he calls a bad general, man? Years seven years the pelicans possibly losing. Anthony Davis is a little low sort of like what have to throw that in there? Son needed. Yeah. It wasn't very relevant to this. Now. Yeah. Relatives? Tweeted out a statement your response to that. Now, they're doing great. Anthony Davis is doing great. Working out right now, we're three no. It said in the statement. We're going to feed it, listen David Stern save the leaf once upon a time. But, you know, got a call the shots here as as we do very rare interview for for David Stern. So it was an interesting read. That's for sure. Castro one more possible nominee last night. This. Anonymous, Orlando Magic heckler who inspired Damian Lillard for thirty four points in the second half. And then there's talking about it in the post game interview when he's walking off the floors. This guy wouldn't shut up on the bench amazing. So I had to go get it happened to that. I love it. It's always dangerous when you do heckle. You gotta be careful, and what is really the benefit. Like, are you going to get in such a harsh Zing that this guy like I got to retire? Sorry. This guy's killing me. I gotta go. You're doing it. My attention Graham. Yeah, you're doing it for your own ego and for the entertainment of the people around. Yes, looks guilty charge. Have definitely done it before. But you also gotta no one showed up. And so my guess is the guy probably just kept doubling down, right? Loves that sorta stuff too. Yeah. Data's height is thrives off. It have you ever heckled? When you've been sitting close enough that someone can hear you probably not. No, you're a distant heckler. Oh, yeah. Tough guy. Yeah. It's passed said, I definitely remember back in old raptors days when we're up in the nose bleeds. She'd like saying a joke heckle about another player and you're getting like a couple of laps or whatever. Hi five. Yeah. Good women. You gotta hackle up high don't heckle down. No heckles. Yeah. Because then they can't hear. And then it usually gets you were you were talking about remember Chris Bosh his wife heckling LeBron James in Toronto try, and I had a great chance on Tuesday night to heckle any Mavericks player. We were sitting right next to the tunnel is coming. Lee Hecht Harrison Barnes. How dare you doing play? Everybody. Do all gummy bear. I just thought. I wonder if they'll go, hey, that's say go who might up that koonig name for me. What up man? Very much cooler. Keep it woke down there as well. It's going to say, hey, I haven't what shocked tank this season yet. We'll throw battery. Geez. Salt like that. But that DVR. But can you get back to fraud? I not I don't like this Sunday night time slot. Steve to really decide what to. I thought we were going to do something about getting more, dude. Wipes from them because we're low on dude wipes. We're along the lines. You know? You know? All right. So a million worst of the week nominees, and we will find out winner on tonight television show, great format that sometimes you change a format. And it's great was that mean, that's. I don't know if your comment about the start of the new Jack in a fool. Oh, great. You know, just give it time. Gotcha people come around. What about the start of the show got rid of introductions on our show to great change? Great change, its speedy. It's spunky. It's punchy. It gets you right into the show. And then you still have the intros, Tuesdays and Fridays. And I don't think he said that at the start of the show. Did you did you hype up the Tuesday drop at the start of the show at this show? Yeah. No, you should have tell people we got to drop on Tuesday to you just did. Yep. And they have those introductions. Some guy says friends some guy says something funny. Something weird. We still got a O's very spunk. I mean, it's all they're very spunky. Jeez. Skeets is very spunky. Let's hit the beach. On the beach reading your emails and tweets first, one from creek. What do you think LeBron has to do in order to surpass Kobe Bryant's legacy in LA, or is Kobe's image as a Laker forever? Unattainable by any challenger. Interesting question because of the Kobe fans versus lake is fans. We even had an example of it last night. Kobe was in attendance. And there was a Coby Coby. Right. Pre wrote this in. Yeah. Timely Email just as as Kobe was sitting front row with LeBron not having a typical lebron-type came. Then he hit a three it stopped the chant. That was the funny part. Peter, don't no I'll answer it. He's the no way. Not a chance. What if he what if he won three and five years that puts him to me more like the shack realm, where shack is like a widely beloved Laker? But he's not even on the level of Kobe magic, Jerry West guys that were only Laker big. But if you can come in and be the best player winning MVP win some titles they'll digit they'll just at you. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. That's a good comparison. He would be check for sure. But no way you're catching Kobe or like you said even like, yeah. Magic Jerry West even like guys just play their entire careers there. Next one here from shea in Lancaster, Pennsylvania with the new Halloween movie coming out, I was thinking the other day, which NBA players would you like to see star in a slasher flick, either as the killer or the victim, and what would the movie be called a few players that come to mind for me are Joel Embiid. Russell Westbrook and land Stevenson. Thanks, guys. Loved the show again, that's from chez Halloween all the rage right now. Not just like it's been going on for months. What do you the movie plug or actual Halloween Halloween agree? It's been going on forever. We've already had a Halloween parade. We've gone to. We've got you know, the blazer showing up to renew in Halloween costumes, and you there was a trick. Or treat thing here at Turner yesterday's with whole Halloween like sort of event, and it's still it's not even Halloween the week away. I'm with you. But also this movie. I mean, there's there's a new Halloween. I mean man what I feel like every second ringer article. I sees about Halloween tweet the Halloween girl in on it forty years. You know, forty years a Halloween. How many Halloween movies have you seen? I've definitely seen even to. Yeah. I'm not a big hoorah guy. I don't care. I just don't like being scared. I don't know not really don't care for. We've got a weak bladder. Decorating the house, but we posses house where they got three skeletons hanging from a tree that's a little heavy for me. Real because I was working with with a six year old the other day, and he's like what's that? And I'm just like, yeah. It's just people decorating the house hanging up. Oh, wait. I hope it's not the son that thinks there's a ghost that lives in his room. Yeah. Well, he's he's the one man. He's like why would we hang plastic skeleton from a tree when there's real ghosts? Okay. So anyway Halloween who you got in this movie? Hot got Dwayne deadman. As a as a Killa in a movie that said in Jamaica, and guess what it's called? Join dead mon- on walking. Actually did Mons paradise. We sat close enough wants to see. Pretty good horror movie guy scary what he's angry. What would you rather? Hold on. Robin lopez. I thought everyone was going. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You get seven his twin some scenes he's got a twin. Call it, bro. -pez? That's too easy of a title. He's also got great goatee, right? He looks like the guy that is building a Frankenstein. Is in a lab somewhere. My creation got away cooking up somewhere. He gets angry to have raffle the or team at us. Somebody gets crazy. That's a good good pick. Maybe one more here. Yeah. Let's just go to this one from Magnus, Matt this is free you I don't really care about your marriage plans met. But I do remember another New Year's resolution you had you wanted to become a regular in the bar slash restaurant next to your place. Did that happen? I never got the answer best wishes from Germany that's for Magnus. I think we did talk about it. I for a while. I did become a regular. They gave me a card. It wasn't laminated. Unfortunately, heart. Yeah. It was like a business card size card. But the problem was it's. It's they give you a business. Go into man. I just realized they gave me a coaster. Okay. Well, the the problem was that it was unclear what benefits it conferred upon me. Like, it wasn't like present this for five percent off any time or a free dessert. And I said I was like what do I do this? Well, when you come in show it to the waiter and. You know? And I was like what? No, well, you know, your regular. So, you know, I'm like, why don't you know? I I mean, I didn't I let it die after that. But it I I couldn't imagine myself walking in the waiter coming over and saying, hey, you know, what do you what do you have? I slide that little business card across the table. Like, it was just I just couldn't do it. And you know, it's the restaurant staff turns over, so, you know. But does it give you the bird? I just couldn't do it. And then I stopped going as much. And no longer a regular there. And this was more. No, I guess there's the bar downstairs, but it's more of a restaurant. Yes. Sarah's name or technically restaurant, but downstairs is a bar. That's no, no, you're right. You're right. Okay. So there's your update Magnus. Glad you. Probably the pun gun. Complainant? Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. I didn't have in my no, that's my complaint you wanna complain. But some also, yeah, give me give me a thing. Resolve this conflict without anger. I'd like to to use this platform to reach out and speak directly to the ice cream. Purveyors of America. You've low self esteem. And and here's why I think that ice cream shops are the only place really where we've decided for some reason that you can just get free samples of things. I don't like it. I don't like the way it slows down the line on that. And that's not how we learn. We learn by ordering things trying them eating more than one bite and going. You know, what next time I'll have something different. That's right. You can't just go in there, sampling, everything what have you ever imagine? You know what? Ice cream. Shop clear picture. The class Hilla chocolate. Yeah. You got the food is vanilla tastes like first of all. But people. You can have enough into vanilla. And then to. I get your point. Okay. So you go into the glass case. And then there's all the ice cream tubs right now think about pizza by the slice place. There's a glass window and then all the slices of various pizzas. Have you ever had the gall to go in and sample something that pepperoni on them? Got there. You just picked that off and hand it to me on a little spoon. It's absurd. And I honestly embarrassed when I go into a restaurant shop to an ice cream shop, and they asked for samples, I find it really embarrassing. I wasn't my sister came to visit me two weeks ago. We were at a restaurant and waiter came over and said. Can I try let's say the can I try the Chardonnay? And and the way it was like, sure. And then I was like did you just ask to sample a wine, and she's like, yeah. The waiter came back with a full glass like sort of more interpreted as a can I have which is normal? And I said you can't just go around sampling things you can't get ask for a bite of the entree before you order it. You can't do it. So I don't know why we've decided that it's okay in an ice cream shop and things that Jason ice cream. Like, there's a cookie dough shop at ponts market and people get samples there. No, you're right. You're right. Hundred percent, correct about if slows everything to a crawl because you got people trying six or seven different flavor. Couldn't be me. Go in there and have some conviction. This is my flavor. I'm eaten it, no matter what happened preach, preach. If you get more than one sample, you get out of the line. Back. We're talking about a one sample. Maybe there should be a sample one sample you get trampled. Do samples to trample. Okay. I thought it'd be cute. But we're all in all is well. Add one that's on. You you also it's ice cream. What is three dollars two scoops? I think it's accurately. All of this has increased the cost of an ice cream cone exactly the sample. The good people the world that have conviction are paying for the that are walking in there like a wet fish willy nilly. Not no slippery. They don't know what they want. One hundred percent. I wonder why do you think it happened? Like, why do you think it just a vault that like pizza shop? No, we have twelve different pizzas here. But you got just order one ice cream shop, we've got twelve flavors, but sure triumph. Why why do you think that happened also who opens an ice cream shop margins are raised? Bye. Bye. You couldn't go past. You know, what the margins are like different? Yeah. But that different ice cream on game. Was a plate on top. Wasn't that? Sometimes. No problem with a sample Platon give a sample leave a sample because. Because you're not gonna leave. Because you're not slowing things down either. Like this thing I'm waiting for that that that woman that man to scoop ice cream, but you got that person dip into all these tubs and get you into little spoon. Clean point. No more. Straws, but those tiny plastic spoons were and they don't Reese coop. If he's sales to different then plus the spoon you get. And then plus the plastic bowl you get the actual screaming ludicrous. Well, listen, that's creams. Can I decide what has happened to the ice cream van the delivery van like the man who drives? Still truck. The standards for the arts cream truck have plummeted. We saw. Potty. Yeah. He was just in like a delivery van like he just rented it from you haul. Something's thrown a couple of sneakers on the side. Yet paddock. Conviction by you. Come on, coal, it something like this off the two side doors open, and it was it was like it was. Did you send user like it was just playing? Music playing. But it definitely wasn't like legit. It's pretty easy. You can have the authentic offense. Awesome. Crazy man, I want that fully experience the roof ice creams on the saw the sliding window. All that. It's all that's that's what it should be man. But this round. Those in Toronto we had a guy that lived that live that works that work the liberty village near. When we were at that park, always driving melody soft serve in there. That was a good ice cream trucks. Wearing the little hat and stuff. Yeah. Right right want this dude, just like jeans? Uniform. You can't sample out of a truck. That's true. Yeah. And just. Just. Have like your calls. Package. Yeah. Wow. If there on the ice cream game. All right great area, but we didn't skip it. Let's find the punt gun. As he had air. I fight of the season. Yep. So all she wrote and wrote in and asked is it time for NBA fights. I mean, the whole thing started with a Chris brawl. Gimme your NBA fight. Punt. Donnybrook lopez. So nice smash Pokka. It's not bad. Yeah. Jab. Ari parker. Uppercut Tino Mobely. Sam dekker. Ooh. David v stale. Keep growing body, slam magazine. Blows Linus Claes sloppy Gilmore. Don fold Nelson. To combination. Kemp. Travis knockout law. Knockout Quin hook. Biz smack beyond. Good. Good. Good. Got nothing for you guys that we you guys brought it though on well six due to have been in a lot of fights punch up like crazy. Creek ridiculous. Actually had an tell the story during the ice cream shop, but I got into a fight at an ice cream shop because all those dudes get into samples were making me gelato. I got a huge plate. Really? To the week. Peter. It's economical these days, I'm not wasting paper on on this shadow. We're doing. To boarding poops Sanyo. LDL young pep tash tests Melles potent smell. Then I pay smell. Junkie boy, Nick, Johann Kia sixty Alex. Didn't sound Luca. Don't cheat. Don't teach Lovie covy. Sam likes eggs, skis robes, Frontino nothing. But nets osage of the we infant stop, Dan gin and juice Cora DD Petrie Imraan Qaeda five Nick said me, gene. Chris Wichita horse, neck hit band nine nine nine athletes would forty five z lamb Daniel Vega. Yeah. You bet around Rowbottom originality Todd. You're a dunk of Dr Richard Bailey. Job ninety nine Mentana sauce. Cal news will the second. Nine duct jackpot disco Stu toefl on del Deo Bola. NBA Jay her three fourteen Gleeson, haven't you? Hang champ GOP seven Victor, all dialup. But of course, the kept on of the tweet of the week calm and he's fair lady. Mister of MRs. Tweet. Looking for tweet. Baseball fever was in the. One of one of one of our favorite tweets is also an owner of one of the teams center Magic Johnson again. I'm so excited for tonight's game. I've never been to Fenway park. When I come to Boston. I always go to the old Boston Garden. Twit. Maj? All the bases. Second base. I love third base. Yeah. Always hoping I was hoping because I know didn't happen last year. But in the last few years, it was about this time we met you with tweet at his MVP choices keep hanging on for that tweet. But I think now he's called permit. So we probably won't see. Right. But he did have Hassan Whiteside. Ain't they once? Mix eighty guys the MVP mix. Magic Pak with tweet Luik your ward is in the mail. All right. Let's end this with. On Tuesday night, a Lakers fan drain a half court shot at one thirty thousand dollars as the crowd went wild AMAN. Celebrate by running around and getting a high five from the Lakers girls. But is the man ran towards the Lakers bench to celebrate with the players security denied him dismissively, waving a mom tell us about a time. You were tonight the ability to celebrate the way you wanted to leap down at the fortress. I was not a a spectator always working several times. And so when you are working really supposed to be a fan. Sure. No cheering in the press. Exactly. But the folks went on a run this one time, I think he's against the Cavs. And you could see this play on folding over in the corner. I stood up. I had to Cova kisses ready. I started blowing the Colva cases. And then I remembered I probably shouldn't be doing. Sorry. I returned to my seat testing. The year was two thousand eight of the rounders were up fifteen one. I was trying to score on a single from second base. I turned third. I was hustling home. I was going to rub. This sixteenth run into the. Right. Crashed in Burr, kill them user guide broke my leg. Story couldn't. Let's celebrate. No after that wouldn't have sound right. I mean, you got to play bass base. I should be playing base to base. But no, we're up fourteen. You never know be released softball you can turn it around. But the quick great crooked number. That's what they call them. Gets tough question. So I'm looking at this a little differently, but I was denied the ability because I it's my biggest regret that. I didn't go to celebrate the two thousand ten Olympics in Vancouver living in Canada friends out there should've went Gold Cup. I mean, not even a hockey fan. But I love the Olympics. The gold medal game excuse me. Not go. I should have went. Just decided it was like why I don't know why I was like a five hundred dollar flight one hundred out there. No problems with friends when the cost that much. Would have been the cost of ice cream wasn't so high. Yeah. Yeah. It's cold next gen. After getting Andre Drummond ejected over a flop on Tuesday night. Joel Embiid commented post game that he quote owned a lot of real estate in Drummond's head. What something annoying that owns a lot of real estate in your head? Any maroon five song such as goes like you which is a beautiful song. Right. Video by the way. But once it gets into your head many. You can't get rid of it. What's that other one? He did the big one which one gets hit you. Yeah. Whatever you must be pumped for the Super Bowl. Yeah. I'm looking forward to seeing like Adam LeVine, maroon five, but you if you get that song like at eight o'clock in the morning and you'll hater. Kathy. Well, I've been debating for a long time whether or not to get a lawn care. My first down here in Georgia. Very commonplace. Have somebody mow your lawn, but I like to do it myself as Matt you would call him or her taking care of a line outside and outdoors host keeper, right? That's what you just can't see myself doing it. But at the same time, I hate doing it. Sometimes, you know, not all that expensive either down here you've been raking yet. How much? Talking people have stopped raking these days. I got a late lower. How much are we talking twenty pop for once a week? Yeah. Twenty per time. But. Skeets the for whatever reason I think I decided at one point being in the NBA media and being a raptors fan that I should have this knowledge of the starting lineup or the I guess I should say the roster tire roster for the raptors in their first game ever. That's so I have that knowledge. And I don't know why I thought I would ever need this. But and you want to do it point blank range. Damon Stoudamire Robertson goes for thirty in that game. Hit the first points for the rafters in franchise history. Yet, Carlos Rogers, Ed pick picnic, Billy spelled this name very weird to me. Right. There's a secret end in there. But how do you say his name Pinkney, but it's P I N. Then c k. Yeah. So say it Pinkney Pinkney. Yeah. It's weird. Okay. Anyway, he's he's one of the bigs Gionta Bach. And then the five guys the plate in that game. You had Jimmy king. John Salley AC early. Got a ton of minutes in that game because tobacco's in foul trouble. And then Willie Anderson and then Tracy Murray at ten guys play. You're right. That is annoying arriving. The mondays. Versus the wizards the blazers embrace the spirit of Halloween showed up in costume Damian. Lillard got particular attention for a strong stone cold Steve Austin, costume and included a mass championship belt and cocky, strut what wrestler would you dress as and what catchphrase would you repeat all night, Ricky, the dragon steamboat, and I would say who wants to go for ride on the dragon wagon is that how said it not really never said that make up your own. He didn't really have one. He was my favorite restless thought just might wanna. On the dragon wagon. Jesse? I'd be Mr. perfect just a single Leotard and all right beam, curt Hennig, I would be able to say it. Absolutely perfect to everything all night, which is great. You know, great Kostya absolutely perfect denying macho man impression point, I gotta change it up. Matt got to change it up. It's not always long. Karen macho man. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls children of all ages d generation x proudly brings to you its WWF tag team champions. No road Dogg. Jesse James Billy Gunn do. Hey. Hey. Oh, you didn't know robuck that goes the best. That's what he was in WWE. It was the do the interest. Great, man. Oh, you didn't know else better? Call somebody. That's rapid fire. And that's a drop on a Friday. I don't know what's coming up on Tuesday. So thanks for joining us. If you subscribe to the show on apple podcasts, do a solid leave us a review. Leave us a rating tell your friends really appreciate it. If you're catching this early enough on Friday. Join us tonight at six PM eastern on NBA TV for the worst of the week winner for the top ten plays of the week, a very very difficult week to only get it down to sort of ten place. It's. Pretty good about it. You know, there's a couple more a little dishes in there. But yeah, it was very tough week. 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The Drop - Celtics, Fox, Wizards, Cousins

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The Drop - Celtics, Fox, Wizards, Cousins

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It was he'll just blaring on the radio. We're is he he's on a plane. Sounds like it. That's a weird place to Blair radio. You know what he's doing on that plane? No, just Our Lady. Oh. Radio is that why that drops sounds so noisy? Well, when you got the hub of a G five. Around you. I guess I guess there's some room tone. If you want to get in touch with the show, you can't a number of ways Email us the starters at MBA dot com. Follow us on Twitter and or Instagram at the starters or check us out on Facebook at Facebook dot com slash the starters. I guess it's official. We're now on Facebook. That's nice and clean. That's just who. I am. Believe he was in a hotel. Mistake it back in the day. I specifically want you to Email us or tweet at us. If you know who is stealing stuff from the starters office. I'm going to be honest. I'm upset right from Geico here with this show because I've got these giant cans on these giant headphones because someone stole my own personal headphones from our office from used them on Tuesday left them in a drawer up there. They were stolen either Tuesday night Wednesday night or sometime on Thursday. Whoops. My dad. And that's not the first thing to have gone missing office. We've talked about it before we've had computers. We believe sunglasses other headphones. What's going on here? We've got to set up a sting. I've got the prime suspect. I know who it is. This tobacco. Who you think it is? But we need to set up a camera. I have a hunch and set up. Hold on. If we're going to set up the sting. Why are we talking about it? That's not what more office right now, keep stealing headphones. So they probably all list. So angry really angry about stuff you get for free though. I find it difficult getting absolutely task. I've only had. I'd say I lost my charger, a wireless charger. But I got it for free. So I lost my computer, but it was a work committee got replaced. Yeah. But this was these were full for free. But I was using. And I can't stand these headphones. I have right now. Limited addition to had a little NBA logo. I forgot. Yeah. Sorry, man. Oh, Adam silver sent those to you. It was Kenny Smith. Over the JBL, speak all all star party bringing mad at maybe that. Demanded maybe that would everyone's feeling very sorry for you. Right there. From tiny head syndrome. These again, these are what are these these AK? Jeez. I'm sure they've sound great. These are AK threats. Jeez. Patriots clothing. No, you're right. This is whatever. Who cares? I guess but still I've never had. I've only had I think like two or three things stolen in my life. And there's something that really I mean like everybody, it's something very personal that works you. But I haven't watched the one from a YMCA once in a locker locked someone broke into it and stole my watch. When I was in high school was it a nice watch still my one fossil. Fossils fossil store. Recently exists though. Making good stuff future that entire store will be a faucet. Watching. So I'm doing pretty good. I just the feeling of being violated. Your ear holes feel violated. That's right. You ever stolen anything? Yeah. I talked about stole a Kevin Johnson rookie card for my buddy. Grece definitely went on a on a chocolate bar stealing run. Whatever you got. I'll take it off say that's about it. Right. Do you think you still negative in the puppet loss column? Yes. Yes. Yes. Chocolate bars in what I what I thought was going to be probably a forty dollar. Kevin Johnson rookie got to be eight cents. Now, maybe less. Yeah. Stealing for a friend. I was like, Robin. Maybe maybe. Less fortunate than us. All right. Well, we're setting up a sting. I'm serious. We gotta get one of those little cameras out there. We know we hear she likes headphones. Let's do it. I can't wait till we come in. And he or she has stolen the camera. Ooh. Note to look for. You're listening to this. I'll telling you a second camera. Dummy camera, and then a real or that's good. Okay. Today's drop we're going to discuss Steve Kerr's comments about DeMarcus cousins, some interesting comments from Kerr. We'll step on the beach to read your tweets and emails got a good one about at least. We'll get us onto talking about all of these new city addition jerseys that dropped basically on Thursday. We'll fire the punt guy, and we got tweeted the week we've got worst of the week nominees. But let's start with last night Thursday night in the association. There are officially no more undefeated teams left in the NBA. Celtics took care of the bucks at home on TNT. They hand Milwaukee's. First loss of the season. Boston led by Irving, the twenty eight point seven assists. He has some gorgeous plays in this one of them. You might see in the top ten on Fridays television show. He had that unbelievable showing off the handles to set up. A Gordon Hayward jump shot, but he put on a show, and then he had the the reverse Elliott finish that was going to be there for sure. And they and they caught fire. But we now have no undefeated teams like I said, and this was a sort of battle here because he honest was back for the bucks, and they put up a fight against a team that was on fire in the Celtics from three and twenty four threes. But did this change your sort of like projection, I guess of the best in the east the rankings in the east at the top of the Eastern Conference or sort of St. stands Pat now of Celtics are a better team or reimburse with what Milwaukee to fight the put together it didn't really change anything for me. I still think the wraps and Celtics should be at the top. And Milwaukee ceiling is the third seat. They've been impressive not impressive enough to crack the top two just because those other teams are I think they're better deeper. What is it all of it? Yeah. Yeah. I think they are. I think it was last week with the Celtics offense looking bad. But last night, there was just shoot as many as think fifty five four fifty five they sent a franchise record. And we're one away from tying the MBA decker. Which is pretty those threes falling then there are the rest of their offense. That doesn't really matter because they knock knows in. But you saw golden. Hi, would clearly he's best game eighteen point six of eleven three threes boards. Just looked like he was getting some sort of flow going and Carre having I had a Dan you talked about when he's going lucky was offensively last night. He may be my favorite player to watch. He's got the coolest looking jump shot. He gets to we spot. You know, he can sort of shake defender offi. They're not great shots as far as you would want to teach kids the falling back sort of, you know, long range shots like that. But they work for him. And he's got the I love that. He has mastered. The Steve Nash just one hand lay up. You don't need to put the second hand on the ball. All the time. You could do it both hands and that was his second good game here too. So he's starting to get it going. Yeah. Yeah. Expect him in Gordon Hayward to take some time that just sort of make sense. And so yeah, they didn't come out of the gate hot. But I think at the end in the conference finals it's hard to deny that team. They're just they're very very deep and. Very talented from one through eight. Yeah. Didn't have a great game. Start the bucks. Also, I think you're getting a little bit on the surprise factor. They got booting holes in their offense looks different. They've added some new players and brook Lopez Ersan Ilyasova people don't know necessarily what to expect Janas has taken another step. So the team is better going in than you anticipated. And I think that is going to catch people off guard until you know, team sorta catch up to what they're doing now. And once back it's figured out how to the bucks react, then that will be a huge thing. Because last night the Celtics got a really good job will take him away the threes nine hundred twenty nine for the bucks because the Celtics are like, oh, yeah, we're well-coached. We know you shoot a lot of threes. Now, we're going to be out on your shooting threes. What are you gonna do? Celtics have always been. For sure trying to take away three coming in as the top defense in the league, the Celtics, which is always impressive. Every last year. They were top defense in the league or that got changed because of numbers got changed after season. I guess they were number two. But who cares? Impressive every single time. And you said boondoggle, I think he fits perfectly into every single definition of coach of the year. He's a prime candidate for that award. This is one of those losses though. I think you look at if you're a bucks fan we like, hey, we put up a fight. I mean, y'all just had two chances to tie this game to tie it. And we talked about the Celtics on fire from three Middleton. Didn't have a great game. You know? A ton of their guys outside of real Jaen. Fill in the box score didn't have their best games of this young season. So they're still in this game. Because you honest, what there's like twenty seconds to go. The bulk thrown up ahead. He had Horford on them. He took them baseline, and he had a reverse layup. And then he just completely botched. And he knew it sewing that would have tied the game. And then they're down three baselines out of bounds underneath their own basket. They throw it up throw it to the Greek freak. He'll go get it. He got it over smart, and he got fouled, and he had a really really solid somewhat easy. Look at an an one opportunity. Right. You went to the line is what I'm getting at. But he could have had the N one. That's to there. Maybe hit the free throw on your tight again. So I think it's good. They're not going to know. But yeah, they're seven in one. It's nice up there that that's a that's a solid performance in a game. Again, we're the Celtics were on fire from three they just fought a little bit. And that's it's a loss. But it's a good loss. I think if that's the the Celtics to the air Bledsoe just can't play in Boston Garden. It's gonna be good. I don't know what it is. But he was what he shoot last night three for nine. That's not even a lot of shots. He missed a huge free throw late in the game. I think he hit these first two maybe as well. Good stock. But then if the way he walked away from the free throw line don't wanna play psychiatrist. But they're in his Drew Bledsoe jersey. You're in something. A quick trivia question for this. Because you know, we said Kyrie's got a goal in said Hayward looked as best. I didn't maybe the most consistent player for the Celtics. This year has been Marcus Morris senior, I love that you're on the back of the jersey to let everybody know that he was this guy. Born before as people think it is. He's been pretty consistent. The trivia question is he has one hundred and eighteen points. I saw this from Celtics that's on Twitter. One hundred nineteen points for Morris. The most scored by Celtics player reserve through the teams I e games since this guy went for one thirty four in the ninety three ninety four season. I just it's a fun name a fund Celtics guy from those nineties teams and Roger. Roger poultry. Had all-star wants wasn't he or no, maybe? No, you didn't most valuable cards as a child was a Dino Raja. Did you steal it? No. This was full price. I bought this and Jamal Mashburn super good investment. Well, hold on. Are you saying that Marcus Morris is senior no older than marquee? No. There's the joke going around that. That's why. He is older than I understand that his born before one comes up for the other. But he had a kid. Yeah. That's why. The joke was that. He's with his brother senior on the back of your jersey. You're just telling people, I do it, man. Yeah. I got that. Do you think Garth Brooks flies, Toni Kukoc or first class? Maybe thinking coup coach. They're both Kurdish. Russia did definitely I remember playing fantasy basketball back in the day. And there was a year or two or he was scared. Great stats like he was going high in our drafts. You know, he was highly touted when he came here, but never quite panned out. Put up some. Fun. Yeah. So good. It was entertaining game between the bucks, and the they've got the bucks made it close there at the end 'cause Middleton pretty bad game. He got a goal in their late. Yeah. They might that. Ron. Yes. Kept them in it. All right. So I got a question for you guys here. It's a what you got. I guess trade on mean to steal your Mojo here. That's good, man. So you're saying you got the answer. Yes. I do. I guess. What maybe you do what you got between these three teams for the biggest surprise, okay kings, nuggets or blazers after about what are we three tasks where you're usually what do we nine or ten percent through the season? I woke up this morning. And I realized we're nine point two four percents. He's got it. What do you got kings nuggets or blazers? Well, they kings are six and three the blazers are five and two in the nuggets are seven and one. It's not the boys IRS whatsoever. No, no. Yes. We didn't know where to place them because other teams had done some things and they're the exact same team has last year. So we came into the season. I don't know. There's not really a storyline to jump on them. But they were the three seed last year. So for them to be five in to and take care of business. And most of their games is understand. It'd be the pelicans last night. No, Anthony Davis. Okay. So cross off the blazers. Good good for them to get that start because they have lost eight straight playoff games. And it's time to turn that baby around. The kings are the nuggets. I it's got to be the kings. Then I guess it's a little surprising that they're seven and one but the kings who the heck knew that couple of their young players would break out. You know, they have swung and missed at first round picks over and over and over again. And when you look at their team, it's understandable that DR and FOX would be the guy to break up because this is the second year. But I guess we assume if the Sacramento Kings. So we assume that you're gonna stink. But you pair him with Willie call sign who's motivated, and because it's the contract you're but also because he was playing the five with a stretch for beside him, which is really important because Willie Cauley Stein can't shoot. So you got into my Nubia leads at the forest fire from three early in the season. Right. And he was supposed to be a six or a head screwed with the Sixers, apparently he was going to be there. You know, there another one of their shoot is that they're that. They so desperately miss right now. But he went to the king's plays the four spot for them. And then buddy healed. I think it's easy to remember that easy to forget. I should say that the last couple of years he's been on fire from three he's been a forty three percent shooter in this series up to forty nine what that's not gonna hold, but he can shoot the ball. He maybe just be sort of a one dimensional player. But. He's hit the floor yesterday diving for a ball. There is a chemistry there that you know, when Marvin Bagley joined us in studio this week. And that's exactly what you said. They're playing hard. They communicate their plan extremely fast, which is really important for that team. And so they're surprising teams just like trae mentioned about the bucks, they're six and three or four and two on the road. That's that's really really straight got one more game on the vote against I think similar walkie. So that's going to be a tough game. But they beat the two in Florida, which is not easy to do to go to Florida beat the magic in the backpack, or at least, you know, back to back games one to there. And then they had the hawks. So and Begley the game against the hawks. Everyone had a good game against the whole. But six and three and quality wins over. Okay. See earlier in the season. Fittings like any any of this little progress for them because in the past you could easily see them being one in six when they start out and they go to road trip, and I just I just con- compete, but they they've been very good so far. So that's that's great to see for them. And they got some exciting to watch. Oh, man. I'm all in on FOX. It's a rookie. But it's nice that they're winning. And he's. Yeah. Some and that they're playing FOX style they're going fast. That's the huge thing is they are certainly catching teams off guard playing fast and being good. But it works. That's how they should be playing with all young rock. Yeah. Which is really shot shot today. Gaiger he realized we can't we're not going anywhere with Zach Randolph. Bizarre guy. We'll see if they even approach five hundred at the end of the season for now. That's fun. Yeah. Jaren fox. So he gets his first trouble. Triple double their last night two of his career, thirty one points, fifteen assists, ten rebounds. I think those are all career highs across the board. And what I love about like he really does he screams like star player. What I mean by that is not just what he doesn't the court because it is exciting. And that's important is he's the whole package because he's got the look he's got the name. It's just a great name. He's got the charisma. We've talked to him. We've had them on the show lucky enough to have it on the show, and he's just money. I mean, he's he's saying after all this too. If this surprises you then that's on you like, he's just good cops. Good. And the swipe of the he's got an all telling you, so I'm really happy in that backward. Does look awesome. And you wonder it makes more sense. Maybe why are kings team did pass on the dodgers? Right. Like he's there. But they're like we like what we have in FOX. You know, I don't know where buddy comes into their equation. But it's we want the ball in FOX's hands. Maybe if we have LUKA maybe that that changes a little bit. So you can see the reasoning at least and Begley is he's played better. And better as the season's gone on fun team. At least at least we're talking about them. But yeah, we'll see. It'll be interesting obviously to see how the careers play out because Dallas they have Dennis Smith junior. Who had the ball a ton last year, they still took dodge. But they still get the ball the Dennis Smith all the time. And it's like, what are you doing? Lucas is clearly the better player, you're wasting possessions giving Dennis Smith the ball ended. Wesley Matthews leads the team in. Good with the kings. Be if they were given Luca doctors football stuff that we Don JR. Is a stood. He is really really good. I always coming into the season. And we did a quick preview for for time train. We're talking about the kings, and whether or not they're young players were going to break out. And it's always fun not to rag on them. But let's just do it one last time. So you go through their first round pick since she said. Yeah. Since oh, seven Spencer Hawes at ten. Jason Thompson at twelve tyreek Evans at four. I was fine. Demarcus cousins that five that was a good one biz mcvean boats seven Thomas Robinson at five out of the league. Unfortunately, Ben Mackel more at seven he's back at the kings. Isn't he? Bench kiss at eight Cauley Stein at six Markey's, Chris at eight who was traded for book book down of each. That's where. That's where all right who's injured right now. And Dan FOX and Marvin Bagley so things are turning around. Yeah. Good. Got the new arena there you want that buzz going on the golden one center. It just quickly with the kings. I guess what's surprising about the nuggets? What's surprising about them? Is that their defenses at least early in the season looked as amazing as it has. Because that's where they knew they needed to improve chance to be like a fifty one team and to make some noise and actually get in the playoffs here. There's a great article up on the ringer. I just think maybe went up this morning about the communication on the defensive end, and whether it can stick, but how they're playing Yokich a lot differently in their defensive like he's they don't have him just dropping back nonstop. So guys can just run out them. And he's he's he's like traffic cone as it says in the article like any is. So they have them like hedging out a little bit more. And that's more pressure on other guys behind him to talk and rotate, but it is working, and if they have a average defense, and they're a really good team their offenses that good. And that's why Paul Millsap is important that guy talks that guy can cover up from stakes that Yokich makes hopefully they stay playing connected on defense. Because if they are able to do that they're easily a playoff team. They just seem to be a little bit more focused this year. Yokich I think is tap. Into his second half last year when the super super aggressive like anytime, he catches the ball, especially if it's a little guy, even if he's like twenty feet out. He's just going to back down back down back down until suddenly these there for lap. You didn't have a great running last night. But. The guy can score the guy can assist. He's awesome. Yeah. It's indicative of a good locker room that they're coming out and and like the kings as well. I think that they're on sort of a string and playing together defensively they're ready to play this year. And they've got consistent guys like Millsap, and Gary Harris who has a boring name. But an exciting game. I think that he's. Takes it to the rack and again, no one really talks about him whatsoever. But you need consistent guys behind nickel Yokich because he's not a super duper Duberstein. He's aggressive enough. But you need other guys to step up and Millsap Gary Harris and Jamal Murray who started slow, but there's enough guys there in Monte Morris and. Yeah, they're all stepping up. Its it is a fun. Watch those guys and it is play offs or bust for this wells. Well, I mean kind of resigned him coming into the season. Just that's got to be their goal short is. But it was it was kind of weird we feel mock malign was probably on the hot seat. Instead, they gave him that contract. They started out. Well, this is exactly the sort of stopped. I need else to -bility there. Sure. That's another interesting thing about the kings is if they're not going to be a pushover. That's a lot fewer wins for some Western Conference teams. Right. Because you have to count on beating the sons, which seems to be an easy enough thing to Dallas is looking worse. Probably than people thought, you would think that we play those kings four times a year that should be four wins. I don't think it's a guarantee our wins. At least not at this point. That's true and the clippers are stronger than I think than people thought they were a forty two and forty team last year. But you've thought they'd lose a little bit of stuff with the Andre joined leaving their tough. Oh, yeah. Every every game other than the sons there is a huge logjam right now with a lot of teams in the in the west that are sort of five hundred or one game above or below five hundred. Thunder now getting Golan. So they're back in the mix. The wolves are a part of that group Lakers. I guess are there like three and five eight or something I'll tell my head. My head. So we will see good point about the kings for sure another what you got here. Bigger mess. A little more difficult bigger mess. Wizards iraq. It's. Czar arts. Gets the rockets are at their one in five no doubt. But I think the fact that they're pretty thin combined with an injury to James harden suspension to Chris Paul injury to James Ennis. You're playing guys who shouldn't be virtually in the league, and Michael Carter Williams and Carmelo Anthony who's starting and when you're planning switching defensing, you're hoping Carmelo Anthony he's got to quicks to help you. Yes, they need their all their guys to be on the same page to start the year. So I think you give them a little bit of rope here, especially because and they they've only had hardened Paul together for two games. I know it's an excuse. They shouldn't be losing by twenty or thirty. Yeah. Thank you get out of it, though. I think the rockets I think once I get back and they get into the sea though, because it's been since game one that they've looked at all on especially defensively, but even offense they just don't really have the same zip to look like they are coasting until the playoffs that make a championship run. What you? Yeah. Agree. AB shouldn't do if you haven't ever wanna championship though. I think like if you compare them to the wizards, I don't see how the wizards really get out of this mess. They've created themselves. I think you just going to coming coming back. That'd be that'd be the savior comeback tonight. Yet reportedly. Which is great. Look, he can certainly he shoot improve them rebounding and defense, but I just. Well, let's say. At the bottom almost. So that's the thing. I think like give them a little bit of a surge. But I think eventually this sort of chaos is going to return to Washington because we've seen it before it's played the last couple of years where it's Houston. I just think it's a matter of maybe a bit of hangover from Las season of how how well they went. How close they got that. I just haven't caught sort of got this spot going it. Whereas the wizards they should be much better. They should be competing to finish in the top four in the east but nowhere near that. They'll be lucky to even make the playoffs right now. Raucous have a lot of pressure on their top guys because you know, I mentioned a bunch of their guys that are playing shouldn't really be playing than Brandon. Knight is hurt Marcus Chris's sort of on the periphery of the rotation. Never really been able to even stick in a rotation in Phoenix. So you're relying on James says, well, I mean, there's not a lot of bodies there. Will make a move this man, not stand, Pat. He's got two and Chris Ball was part of it that he signed for forty million dollars. And then you know, you can't signed by Moore and. Reza go. Yeah. He was gonna go get paid somewhere. But yeah, they're thin ice the right trading that they haven't looked motivated. That's weird. It is weird. I wonder if like some of these trade talks are having any effect on a guy like Eric, Gordon. Who's name was in the mix early in the season trading for possible Jimmy Butler. It was what Gordon Tucker being thrown around a good point. No, if it is, but he has been horrible. I brought it up in a crossfire segment this week. He was my ghost player because he he just has looked brutal. You can't shot, and that's what air Gordon does bad right now. So they good point because you know, when he was traded once upon a time from LA to New Orleans and then New Orleans to Houston. That's that's how it worked. Oh, no. He just as New Orleans now he was traded. It was trading crisp paltry, then they matched on them. Right. That's right. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. And New Orleans, then he was signed as a free agent bought the rockets yet we throw in Addison, right? That sounds right. I think the point is when he was involved in trade deals. He didn't really like it. I think he he wants to be wanted. Yeah. Some possibility it's a little bit. So there there wouldn't you say one and five it's weird down on him with the sons when you look at the standings. It's just weird that they're right down. There. Wizards are one and six though. And you're right. I think like it's like even if the wizards, quote, unquote, turn this around what does that even mean for them? I mean, let's just be the same old. Like eventually, I think so. After those. They had a couple of those rough losses. Right. They lost to the kings. Then select by the clippers and you had after those games yet wall and Beal calling out unnamed teammates for you know, for complaining about touches and their personal agendas and stuff like that. And Austin rivers calling out the guy saying their defenses horrendous people are laughing at us like it was a lot of talk and going on with this team. I what do they do? I know we keep talking about this. Is there any play to make them better? Is it and is it that mean, Trey John walls that mean trade auto porter does that even do anything. I mean trade Bradley Bill just who switch things up. What do you do wall is the one thing? But not sure how they make that try. We've we've sort of. Go over it again. And again, but I think we should do though. I think so. Yeah, I think we've mentioned that he seems to be the consistent problem as far as you know, he's one calling it his teammates. He's been injured member last year when he was down and they went on that winning streak and even Beal was saying, oh, great till you win everyone. I mean, so handy that's for sure. They will deny. There was a shuttle wall. Fuck you. Fuck you mean, he's out you'll winning. And you thought these cryptic tweets. It's Christ and Todd set in the positive years and years ago. It's like these guys that we gotta we gotta get on the same page. So but wall. Yeah, I mean, we don't want to go over the whole thing yet. But. Who'd want wall right now with that contact with that potential for those crazy things he's not even on the. Oh, yes, you're. Yeah. That's that'd be the Gilbert arenas when they saw on him one hundred eleven million and he never played contract with wall. Because there have been times in the last couple of years where we've talked about him as a top point guards in the league. Right. I mean, maybe not the taught, but no he he should I don't know where in ten twenty points tennis says be good on defense. He's never really committed to being good. And I think if he were to put that effort, and that would be huge for the for the wizards because right now, it's like if you get past one guy you make one pass or one juke move. You gotta lay up or a kick to the three because nobody's helping out because nobody cares about each other. They don't love each other. The whites going to bring back that fun. Bring back those farts. Yeah. Farts and fun tomato. And he did put up sixteen and twelve last year is forgotten the Hornets. Yeah, they can sit around and be a playoff team undoubtedly. But it's be highly highly odd surprising to see them like fifty wins between forty and forty five. It's not ever win. Fifty right now. Got close forty nine. Yeah. I got you something. Okay. So let's talk about this. Steve Kerr admitted on Thursday that DeMarcus cousins who we all know signed a one year deal for five point three million last summer with the warriors curse said he will not be back with Golden State as he heads toward unrestricted free agency when we get to July. This is Kirk talking to the Mercury News, we made no bones about it. When we signed him. This is a one year deal, and we're not going to have money to sign them next year. So we'd like to help them win a championship and sign a Greek contract somewhere else. That's the reality. Very Frank here. I think he's saying Diaby decayed when you're on the bench and get addicted. I think he's just too right here reading into this. I mean like he got a check from a game Friday not. And I think has like come on, man. Like Joyo McCain had a bad reputation when he joined the warriors in his two years. He played a very important role for that team and rehabilitated his reputation Anthony slider. I heard him once on the radio saying in those two years not one locker room incident of javale McGee being clown or being a goose or anything like that. Whereas DaMarcus hasn't even played yet. And he's brought the wrong type of attention to the team. I think I think they've kind of just saying like I mean, just pull you head in a little bit. You don't need to be at. They're getting in the face of Scott foster when you're sitting on the bench. That's what I read into. Else? Take that from this. Yeah. I think he's speaking logistically as well because you can only give them a twenty percent raise. I do believe he'd only get six mil. Yeah. But I think if he has a great season, and they've got other contracts to consider with clay and Draymond if he's great well fan Durant Durant as well. They'll find the money for him. I mean, he can get a lot. I don't think they can find that amount of money. I it's it's it's interesting to me, if let's say, the keep the, you know, the core for the core three around if this sort of becomes commonplace. The next few years like if there's somebody who needs to rehabilitate for whatever reason, and they can just sign them on the cheap. And and they just come in for a few mill, and then get paid on the exit door because curls. So said within this interview, and we're talking to the reporters that we're nowhere close to see and cousins, he was making that clear he's doing these things and practices. But he's doing it against like guys that are assistant coaches, that's one thing to do that another obviously to do it in the NBA or even against your own teammates in practice. So he's just be a matter of fact here. He's just he's not coming back anytime soon, we got him, and we're not going to have the next year. You're right. He's got a lot. We got other guys specifically clay, and Kevin Durant that we we want to try and lock up here. But it is. It's refreshing. I guess in a way, but also weird to hear curse sort of admit this. Yeah, it's the strange part of the pelicans game. Right. Like, that's why he would be asked about it. Because DaMarcus came from the pelicans. They also asked Anthony Davis was like it's like, yeah. I hope we get them back. It's nice to see him be able to go get healthy a ring. So basically the warriors. And the pelicans are like the warriors are going to win a championship this year. So we'll just chalk this year up to whatever's happening and get back at next year. And then the other interesting part is I don't know why there's so much reporting on guys leaving their contracts at that on that specific night. But Anthony Davis scientist twenty twenty one. And he said, well, listen, I'm signed till two thousand twenty two twenty one. He he knows he knows exactly when he signs and then we'll see after that. And then after the game you see Draymond green on the court. What looks like recruiting Anthony Davis and getting in his ear and because Draymond green is the recruiter and. Maybe they I've mentioned that the DeMarcus cousins rehabilitation, maybe they can pull out the fishing rod and reel him in for a year. Who the heck knows maybe? Kevin Durant comes for two years or three. I guess it'll be three now. When's a couple of rings bounces? Get somebody else in bounds. You wanna come play with the best players in the world for a year or two? Let's fine. Then you want to go have your own team later. Go do that as well. But come on have some fun with us. I liked that Claes. Like, Nah, I don't wanna go anywhere to go in anywhere. Nice. It's just like he's such a cult hero there too. If they strike he does it really really take sort of any of the blame. It. Just perfect the perfect role for this guy. He likes the comfort as well. I think I don't see how you wouldn't especially if you just winning non stuff's gonna nice dog. No one wants to move a dog across country. That's terrible driving with the dog. Do I will say love to see clay be like just the guy on a team that top dog fun with which which city you think? He's not in San Francisco. He's got to be in Denver, Portland. Right. I mean, I think he Toronto awesome on Philadelphia Frano Toronto's. Okay. Yeah. Oh, Philadelphia beat the Sixers perfect. You would be the top dog there. But that's fine. He wouldn't he doesn't play doesn't need to be than men. No. Doesn't make to be men isn't want all that. Attention, the extra media requests. Yeah. Right. Do you think there's any? I don't know any possibility of DeMarcus cousins going back to the pelicans and play. No, not really because he still is talking about how they didn't offer him a contract on day one and day two two days. Went by no contract. He's not gonna like that. And they did have more. They did have more money than the kings. Ultimately gave us. All right. Here's gave him that. They could have offered them. But that did not happen. According to him. And I think Bobby Marx was like saying to even they would have to like, you know, lose Julius Randle miratec would have to be gone in free agency that they have to the pelicans. I'm talking about here would have to open up a lot of salary cap space to sign a guy like cousins to what you would assume will be a bigger deal. I guess we'll see how he plays from the injury. All right. Let's get to worse to the week. Ladies and gentlemen, vote roost of the week. Of the four nominees. Let's discuss them number one Jimmy Butler for resting Wednesday because he was sore and didn't want to get hurt. That's what he said. But he mostly sat because he wants to be traded Jimmy decides. When he sits these days the team had days off on either side of that game, by the way, and also for this after Derrick rose scored fifty that night forcing Jimmy out of the limelight. He jumped back in front of the cameras by crashing roses press conference congratulating de rose on getting that fifty boy. You didn't mean to interrupt? A couple of men's. Cameras were them in. Yelling sorry to interrupt. In all honesty. He was probably the most exciting part of that press conference. You know, dare roses moment. Jimmy, can Jim you can't help them something. I did like the general soreness. Right. Him. It'd be like a military general named general. To be general soreness general soreness. And I don't wanna get hurt is what he said this guy who tougher than nails doesn't want to get hurt. Literally me every day. All right. Second one. Here might be controversial Patrick Beverley for diving towards the legs of Russell Westbrook late night game Tuesday, the two had gone at one another throat the game each scoring and then pretending to rock a baby to sleep as their celebration. Baby. No European but the only questionable move was the Beverly dive going at the same legs. He has injured in the past tearing Russ's meniscus in twenty thirteen. Now the ball was on the floor. Yeah. These are. That's always a tough one. Man. He hit the floor right by Russia's likes. I contend that. It was a opportunistic dive that was an opportunity that I got Westbrook's there. Hey, he had a time to pull out. He could've pulled out. He knows who's there. He didn't even have to die. But I mean, then the other side is the hate each other. He's going to go and do what he can. But I don't think he's got what you can't beat a mesh. I should say. But I don't think he's got a beef like this with anybody else. And this is the hardest working player, you know, one of the hardest working players in the NBA. There's something there. They just despise each other. I mentioned twenty thirteen but since then there have been back and forth. There've been a few incidents. This is just his guy that he hates and. I don't know. It's it's it's deadly liked to me. I it is it is in the same family. I generally side when it comes to these things, I generally side with the with the guy that is just playing harder and is trying to hit the floor and get a ball and just keep a play alive. I don't think a lot of times. They mean it to be malicious. I will even admit this one. There is a beat there is like that one little beat where it's like. Yeah. He's like I'm just going at his legs. I'm going for the ball. But I don't care if I crumble into them. Sure. And that's you know, that's now getting well borderline dirty some people think quite frankly, dirty. So yeah, I get even someone like me that generally will side with like no other this we play. He's and he's gonna hit the floor. All the time. I'm sorry. Go down and get the ball, if you're Westbrook. Maybe you don't get her to. But he does sort of seem to slightly size. It up the situation and say, let's do this again because we hate each other, call Christina Aguilera. Call bradman. We're getting dirty. Sure. Caps and stuff cover, me and sweat. Let me wear a bikini. It's thirty. Westbrook. Didn't at Patrick Beverley likes. And I don't know you can't just keep diving at the same guy's legs. And have it be a coincidence? It sure seems like he's punching up. I mean, that's how he makes his books. Right. That's that's that's what he isn't hill. Always know Russell Westbrook's better is different than the first time though, he did injure. What Russell Westbrook. I really do. I or the other time when he rust call time out both. I think are worse than this one. I think you think the other two are worse. Yeah. Oh, oh, I think I think this one this one's worse than I think this is worse than the first injury was intention. I don't agree. Yeah. That's what I was saying. Sorry. I think I if I'm ranking second swipe at the problem remembering now, he did the exact same thing. He did the exact same thing. Westbrook was calling the time out the very first time when he did a little lunch. Adamant hit his leg. When Westbrook came back. It was the first time, they are planning Westbrook. Went to call time on the sideline again. Beverly did the exact same thing. The same thing that you heard him the first time you heard him say. And so so you're saying that is a at least that you may think it's more dirty because he's there's like Westbrook is stopped that he's calling timeout far for he's far from the bucket. It's not a play. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. See what you're saying. What are the implications of this rocking the baby to sleep? No Westbrook's been doing that throughout the season. He's he's got twins on the way. He's got a little baby. I think he's just doing that job is the person's too small the guard me is I'm just about that. Drake out a little kid on yet to put him to sleep. Put him to sleep. I thought he was doing it for his house. Sometimes some people put Moses mice to sleep. He's belittling. So you're saying something that you that you love and care for and tenderly putting your arms and rock to sleep as they feel safe by you shouldn't rock him to sleep. Anyway. Just generally rock him to sleep. Nothing. Shake him to sleep. Rocking to sleep. Then they get comfortable they expect you to put the to hold them all the time. That's how he is looking at this partisan lovingly rocking gently Matt's down. And then he goes by him. I mean, that's questioning the dead here. That's a shame Brockton baby to sleep. You use more of the shake technically, shake rattle and brain shake. A sound hold on behind my back or people saying. Yes, I'm shaking. Insufferable shake, and we'll show you will show you another example of a dive that happened on Thursday night, buddy, healed diving at Kevin herders legs of the Atlanta. Hawks on our television show today. We're Kevin hurt. Her got hurt and had to walk off because he injured his ankle. Now, these events don't happen too often at all I think in the NBA, I think that's one thing to note guys aren't dirty in in the National Basketball Association. I think you look at other people have the sense to not dive at legs most of the time. So when they do die that legs that is a dirty move. That's kind of where I fall. So. Sure. But if you dirty to me, it was a mistake. It was wrong. It was even more gracious because he's sort of behind him running at the ball. You'll see it on our time clock eastern NBA TV next one year the Cleveland Cavaliers firing coach Tyler six games into the season. It's their annual turn things upside down event. Maybe that's Dan, Gilbert's workplace ideology. I don't know they have mismanaged head coaching and management scenarios. So frequently that Larry drew refuse to accept the interim title. I don't know about you guys. But I can't recall a coach ever publicly declining. The interim coach job, I'm the voice. Interim coach. I think that's a I in NBA history at least publicly publicly park, I think he should have been all done behind closed doors. The body was saying you paying me like a head coach. Yeah. Knowing that if they fired him they have to pay them, and then high someone else he's like give me that money. Smart move buttery because it's all those guys who get the title or kind of lame duck. And then they're let go the end of the year, Joe, parental Sam Mitchell, you know, those type because it's like it does generally suck. But at the same time, there's only thirty of these jobs. Here's a bit of a here. It's like an intern job. It's like an alleged can do. I mean, what are you going to run? What are we gonna play any better? J b bits. He was a got the right. Yep. So I'm just saying like, I don't feel so bad for them. I. Decide like he's also been around forever. He's been a head coach Larry drew now. Like, yeah. He I didn't they also announced him as interim coach before even. That's right. Yeah. Maybe talk to them. There's coach there's coach that's good. They could hire out k. Let's go do basketball. Stephen coach, do you know when he said, I'm the voice, I thought you might be offended by that, you know, who the real the voices. John fontham. Oh, he's he the voice. Yeah. John, johnny. Beautiful voice. He should he may as well. Still he's still loves no singing anymore. And I think so he's got some. I think he's just a bit of a hiatus. Go back. Thank you. They'll make grad to its up point. They make every other movie every other movie has been made. Have you still? They just decide you read to read Ted to rat tat tattoo. Cool. Yeah. Last last quick you here. We'll squeeze together a couple of plays. Because if you're watching basketball this week these stood out, and I feel bad for this first one because Blake has been playing well, but Blake a bad inbound turnover as the pistons try to tie the Celtics in the final seconds Tuesday. It was basically gave the ball away and then Wesley Matthews with an even worse foul thirty five feet from the basket that sent LeBron to the line to win the game. One for two Wednesday over Dallas, two guys that don't usually mess up that bad. No, good, call their most guys Domus up that. But we'll see the winner tonight on the television show. Let's beach though. Hey. Y'all have been killing it lately writes this I Email with your slightly inaccurate NBA predictions. I we predicted that Steph curry would break the record for most threes in a game against the bulls. But he clearly meant to say Klay Thompson. Then skeets went off the board by saying Tim Hardaway junior would be the next player to hit fifty plus in a game. And it was well it was derailed rose going for fifty. But hey who could have predicted that he right? So two questions from John Chris chriswell, what big event is going to happen next in the league, more or less. You just gotta get close. And then he also wants us to pick some lottery numbers for them. I'll change a couple up before I play them. We don't get it. Right. Oh, yeah. Okay. Get close. I thought he was thinking we will fail. It will pick the six perfect numbers to win your million dollars. But everyone listening we'll play those numbers. So what fun is that? That's a good thing. Let's hear the next big thing next big event. So only going to get fired. That's right. I'll stick with my prediction earlier this guy Hoiberg. We'll get acts before Christmas. Okay. Freddy, gone complain. All right. But I stick with my guns. Freddy got fired that'll be. That's a good good. Zone right in the war is going to hit thirty threes in a game at twenty four against the bulls. Celtics at twenty four Las not think someone's just gonna rattle off thirty you need. You're gonna need a close game. You didn't need the other team hitting twenty game with fifty threes. I hate it looked as in play. I'm not I'm not crapping on your prediction here. Close game wiping cook being. Yeah, you're gonna have to help the the second unit unit at that point. Sometimes catches fire. I just think your chances are better. If it's super high scoring everybody's bombing threes and everybody hitting this is the air somewhat close. All right. So thirty three's from the warriors. Westbrook. We'll have twenty assist game had two of them last season. I think it's going to happen again twenty six that's a lot of assists. Okay. There's a lot of scoring though there right now. So yeah, everyone's scoring. Yes, sir. Six dribbles, and then shoot a Bank shot that was impossible. And you're getting this. All right. Well, I'm still sticking with Tim Hardaway junior is going for fifty. He's having some good grits. We sell his season. He's gonna do it. Actually, actually reminded me that there's a potential assists. You know that is a step. That's kept and west Brooklyn. Chris Paul, I think are at the top guys just aren't hitting shots on those teams. They need a shooter next one from Scott, h Nike is making some amazing jerseys. The purple rain timber wolves jersey makes me want to be fan. If this is what Nike is doing. Why did it takes a long mega to get that MB contract guys? What's something that took you a long time to do? But you should have done it sooner love the show. So this a couple of things we can impact their you've got the question if anyone wants to answer it, what's something that took you a, you know, a long time to do that you should have done sooner. I do because I'm very proud of this. I took Instagram from my home screen to my second page. Nice. I did that too smart took third page Email third page. Holy cow. Yeah. Male. I to Facebook third page, I deleted Facebook. Nice. Okay. It helps it helps. The does it help you stop from mindlessly clicking it? It does help helped a lot for the first couple of weeks where I kept forgetting where they were then my brain got used to it. But it does help to have things that are good for you on your. What do you got on your your like my meditation, my repay ges pages meditation run app, then utilities like lift got the podcast app? Music. This question. You know, what I don't know what happened to? All right. Okay. Anyone else? Want to answer? That's a good one. I'll get a pedicure. Oh, yeah. I could get. So good. You don't understand the relaxation? They put your feet in those really hot water bubbles. They got like a stick. They'll rub. A stick on the bottom of your foot, and it feels good. Okay. Polish. Get a polished, man. Level of. Anytime you can just meditation in general, it's great great took a little bit earlier life. Yeah. When did you start about a year? I think it was I think it would Roxana boat may subscription at Christmas spank, right? All right. Great stuff here. And what about these jerseys here we talked about it briefly on yesterday show? The city addition jerseys. There's like I don't know how many dropped yesterday. Feels like because I know the. After we did the show. I think the heat unveiled their the black edition of their Miami. Vice looking ones because they had the white addition last year and then same thing with the Washington Wizards they dropped like a black version of their district of Columbia. Once I liked that one. That was nice. Wasn't the biggest fan. I'm just looking for anything positive with the Wisden's. They'll take it. I'm sure there's a last year. There was a couple of bangers but this season, it seems like most of them are really really good people were shocked. We didn't take the wolves. None of us in our fill in the blank the idea. I think was great. You don't like the look, what's fine trade. I talked about it in the car right in. Yeah. It's fine. That's fine. It's I think it's slightly overrated. Yeah. Agree, man. Chris. I love afire. Don't ask me. Okay. You said you didn't like that. They went more. I guess black with purple accent acco full purp-, you want go go full berms. Gotta have that. Perp get some paisley on there too. You're missing a couple of big prints references. Yeah. But if they play in raspberry berets. We'll see somebody has to wear one of the arena. Pastor you're Finley of the nuggets ones. Yep. And tasks went with. Yeah. Okay. Sees great picks. A lot of them are generally pretty cool. Looking like many duds out of the batch. Not that I know. Yeah. What hampers my view of them? Is that quite often they come out? And it's just some dude filming something, you know, it's it's not a professional video. It's it's it's this underground crap leaked. That's the word. I was. So we're the wolves were leaked just like on somebody's bad with like a old dirty Kleenex. Deal way to see it for the first time. Yeah. So I hate it. Polishing. Yeah. You're right. You're right. Because like you see them that first time you're like uh because the Lightning's all crappy like the setup, but and then they do a lot better when they're slick in the produce video by the photos don't wanna Commodore sixty four. I mean, it's it's ugly. They're ugly videos. They're bad videos. And then, you know, your first impression is I don't want to operate on this machine. It didn't work. Let's hear from you guys though. Trump on Twitter hash day, starters favorite city edition jerseys. And the reason it took Nike so long as I guess the contract was up until that point. Right simple. As that. What more? This is a fun one. Probably because we went to smackdown. Live on Tuesday night showed it ran for the tickets. We had a blast. It's so much fun task JD should've come man. It was a blessed. I mean, I know it sounds insane. You've got an opportunity five wrestling. But it was hilariously fun. Because it raw this time in February. Yes. Oh, I'm in for. Oh, we get tickets though, the same. You have to get one if they know fit your bad feeling. No, you felt you were going to get out and John tickets. I'm still gonna feeling. Two nights this month. Because I mean, part of the enjoyment was seeing on TV. Not like this man, counting him out. Three. Wasn't. There is a camera like because they're generally was a camera pointed in area you or hamming it up. I was laughing all night because you are over acting to every kick out every booth a bad guy you like so so. Style. He's a local boy. But listen. I love to sing that he doesn't want you give those tickets someone that just going to sit down. This is fake. That's true. You got to get into a man when you're sitting next to a giant man with a big, orange jersey. Like that trait. It's like it's infectious. It's contagious. Infections. Get into that. Favorite thing. You are selling anytime. Somebody would be going for a tag and the tag match reach it. They're reaching their shaking. They don't get there. Got him. Yeah. It's pretty amazing. They've definitely upped the ante for the athletic ability of what they do is legit when they like it to the top of the turnbuckle and then throw someone high good. Yeah. Like the ring in person is not as big as it looks on. It's generally it's pretty small. When they run from broken road. Slingshot it so hard. But the height actually shocked me it is still they're out there. They're very high. I've been talking from the ring the bottom of the ring to the top turnbuckle. It's hard falls taking some bumps. Great to see the big show. Live two good ones. AJ styles. Did right big Brian fan? Just seems like a sweet guy. He's great. You read up on this story. He's he's the man. New day came out the brood, which is reference I actually gotten. That's when I watched wrestling in the nineties, the attitude era, slamming each other on pumpkins. Yeah. Right fun. It was a. Yeah. I can pay off take choke slammed from the big show. Yeah. Do that. That'd be great. The question from at elite nece CA. What would be your WWE's superstars name, the finishing move a name and description, the move and the entrance music that plays when you're walking into the ring. All right. So elite nece CA wants to know the all those things if you're WWE superstar who wants get started out. I'm gonna be trays Ramon. That's going to be exactly the same as razor Ramon except for Maynas any sort of Cuban nece. I'll get to keep my catchphrase. I'll just say at different. Yeah. Keep my gold chain. Eat my slicked back hair for the Halloween show. It's an easy. Switch up right there. Toothpick good with a toothpick throwing in people's faces doing the trainer's edge. So you're gonna sort of just take his package. Oh, yeah. Sure. Okay. For love razor Ramon. Yeah. Good answer. What do you got? Well, I'm just going to stay with my own nine because people seem to. I mean, we've got Jeff hottie. That's come on Leela says no whistle again. John CENA Daniel, Bryan, I mean. That's been a big thing. Maybe I don't know ten years. I guess they they did sort of get away from like you got to be a weird care to you. Just saw. Okay. It's fine. If you're Daniel Bryan, your name's Daniel, Bryan. Because what I understand the K fade name is Bryan Danielson. Okay. Well, I don't care. A normal person. Same something that a parent would give you. But he just came out, and he was normal. And but Jeff hardy has this whole face painted islets painted on his eyelid. So when he closes his eyes eyeballs painted on violet. Yeah. Yeah. There's is on his island. And it's you can't be named Jeff hardy and have your face painted like some sort of do mask. This guy's been wrestling for like twenty five thirty years. He's raised been in and out of characters his whole career broken universe here. Get into a new character. Then you tell me there's never been a character's name that's change. Of course. Have no care. No. Say okay, I'm not gonna go. Okay. Here's the rule if you're a normal guy you just come in. And you're gimme you've. No gimmick. You're just like, hey, my name's Matt Austin doing. Come in in jeans and a hoodie. That's your gimme you have. No gimmick. But if you're going to have your face painted or talking to weird voice, you need a name. That's all I'm saying the hot, man. But I would have I would have mentioned to music. That you would get up for this. Not like flexing. You just coming in. Everyone's. Yes. Yeah. Big go sunglasses. Hot probably into the crowd. Ravishing Rick trunks. Yeah. I think. So I think it'd be great. That's what you want you on the fans to feel the votes finishing the win. The what? Yeah. I'm still working on that part of it. Okay. This did. Yep. I'm going for the whole God vibe. My name is the rebirth. Because that's actually what my name means. So we'll go with it. My finishing move is the act of God. And so I'm gonna stick my hands off to the side. Like, I'm God. Okay. I'm I'm planning to to the side. Like, I'm reaching reaching. And we're going to work it out. So my opponent. Just gets risen into the air. I mean, I can grab them both hands around his neck, probably. I mean. Two choke slam. I think we'd be my move raising him like four feet over me. I think we got something there. It's a whole God vibe. I think I'd come out. Like violin e Symphony Orchestra type of thing. The versus the undertaker, right? It's a really good name. So it's sort of David Blaney or like Chris angel? What's happened to David plane? Okay. He disappeared. Very quickly need doing tricks with Steph curry last year, putting toads. He's still pops up. Like, I don't know if you little specialist bit the street. Has changed because there's like that Netflix. What's that guy's name? Justin, Willman anyone on Gimblett media. There's a lot of people in the street game. That's all I'm saying I'm going with my name is action Jackson, and my finishing move which has been banned. I read up it was banned in two thousand five but I'm bringing it back the shooting star press. And yeah, I guess it's so dangerous that Billy Kidman made popular in the WCW days. It's like when you're on the top turnbuckle. I'm going to be a high flier guy. It's like you're facing into the middle of the ring guys blind down you how do you? How do you explain it basically jump forward and do a back somersault and then land into like splash? It's looks awesome. But I guess it was banned because people were getting like injured doing it. Yeah. Sure. I'll Ray mysterious thing. He was doing crazy stuff. He does. But I guess just maybe this the whole part where you're facing doing that type of backflip. I guess it's dangerous Ramos area was doing it until he died. I'm just kidding now. He's. He was wearing a mask. So his name was Ray mysterious. That's okay. I don't know what song. So you can give me a sunk suggestion. Maybe maybe action Jackson. It's got to be something showy. So I want something different into the ring. Yeah. I'm going on Magic Johnson. Meditates by the red hot chili peppers. Johnson. Call the shooting star press Showtime, go altogether here put it all together a very quick complaint from the complaining. Wash off this come through without anger. Was just laughing because who said it was quick. Well, I mean you want me to do it quickly. You don't need to do a quick our in here. We're okay here. We go. I was thinking about reviews specifically Airbnb and Uber lift reviews before we get to that. I want to shed a at Lindsey ISM on Twitter who tweeted this after we fix all the real problems. There should be an awareness campaign about how giving any fewer than five stars in a review. No matter the content of the review is leaving a negative review. We can call it the four stars means it sucks campaign. So she followed up says, I mainly thinking of book visa say best book I've read this year. But people give it four stars, which is an F you to the author these I don't believe in giving five starts to anything because nothing is perfect people. So I think this is actually true like reviews are basically meaningless now because unless something has five stars like anything below four stars is almost unacceptable like stars one through three are are just as are doing nothing over here. Like you get one star. I guess that's just a. Very aggressive. I hate this. Do not buy this do not listen to this. Do not do whatever. Yeah. But something good should be able to be three three and a half stars. That should still be good. Like back in the day. If a movie got three and a half stars. That's still many pretty good movie. But now it's like if it's not five stars where like that sucks. Something on yelp a restaurant. Everything's too. Man. That's where everything's just. You know? It's classic good. That's it. Yeah. But I was also. So like, I was saying this summer I stayed at a couple of Airbnb, and there's a lot of funny business going on with that rating and review game. We'll yes. So one of the hosts literally said if you're not gonna leave me five stars do not leave a review. Because they didn't want to bring down there. Wjr. And there's also a weird game. In the Uber lift Airbnb where you're rating each other. So for instance, in Airbnb, they're rating you as a guest, and there's this weird sort of standoff where you're like why I guess I don't want to say that this person was bad because then they might say that I was bad. Now, I think they do hide the reviews for like a week long. But still you give your Uber driver three stars. And that Uber driver gets it immediately. And then decides no they don't, but but there's a lot of horse trading in the Uber game where they're like can you give me five stars? I'll give you five stars. And then to get back to this tweet thing if you've an Uber rating of less than four stars. That's garbage. Right. Even four stars is bad. It's weird. Ultimately, we you just can't there's no we gotta go back to respecting three and four star. Why can't why can't it's fine to be good? Well, I'm gonna be good. Our old friend Jamie macho popped into this Twitter conversation. He says might be your app suffers from some form of this. The best beers are rated like a four point two and the worst or three point five. I think the solution is to take those ratings and put them on a one hundred scale. So the four point two's are in the nineties when you think about that. What do you think about getting rid of the five star system completely jacking up Jack it up you want to get right to a hundred? I guess yeah. I mean, guess a ten would. Ten percent rotten tomatoes. They got one hundred pitchfork. They got tense numbers a lot more precise. And then the pitchforks giving you an eight point four they're putting this decimal. Just make it three stars. Then get rid of one through three. That's the Michelin. Yeah. And there's a there's a huge jump between a one star and a three and a one star is excellent. Because very few restaurants at once. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that should be it. But there's good restaurants that don't get any serves. Yeah. Absolutely. It's a stupid system. All right. And get some feedback. You can't trust and Airbnb review. That's very true. Yeah. Because you can't trust people. I sort of disagree with that. I think all I take my wife does generally book a lot of our Airbnb, so she could speak be nice skeets. How she generally uses it and uses reviews beat with hotels or Airbnb or wherever you're saying it's better to figure out which are the bad ones. Then maybe the really really fine or good ones. You're looking for the very red flags that pop up that's fair. I think is if a fine way to use it because it's got to be as you just said, we're in this weird. Like, okay, I'll give you this. I'll give you that. And everyone's like fours and fives throwing around willy nilly, but for you to give a really really bad review. Go out of your way to point things out to try and tell someone in the future. Like, yeah, you're gonna maybe not want to stay in this neighborhood, or because it's places has this problems. Then you're going out of your way. So and I know there are people that are just complainers in general. So you gotta take great salt. But I don't know. I think he put the work in you can get it down to at least having a better feeling about that place of every. You know, Uber or lift thing where you've clicked the amount of stars. How many of you put any thought into and how many have you ever given less than five? I have I don't care at all. When it comes to a new Berlin. Yeah. It's hard to care because it's just someone's popping up. And you're like, okay. What am I going to say? I've never seen a pop up in it say four stars. And I go. No, thank you know. But I'm saying when you're leaving the review I just mindlessly click five stars. How am I doing clicking at all? Yeah. Don't you have to click it together to the you just cancel ignore. It. Every time. All right. And I generally probably I definitely don't read a lot of people. I just sure nor it. Ignore it. I'm happy to drop a five star. I'm one of those guys they'll give you five stocks. I'm like, hey, you're driving your car to my house to pick me up and take me somewhere. Thanks give him a tenth in. Yeah. Yeah. If you're driving car to my house, though, you're not getting a fiber. Yeah. Okay. What do you get I'll call a cab? If I wanna stinky car. Between three and four. I just knock a point off. If there's if there's three listen people are terrible with their driving apps. You can knock somebody a star off for that each and every time each and every time. The only way I'm gonna be. Star on a drivers. If you go the wrong way or get lost. Then like come on you botched. It we got GPS just follow the repre. Actually. Let's infuriate. Yeah. Lift driver missed my my exit once upon a time and lift immediately gave me money back because it was tracking the the ride and gave me back the difference of how long it took the money that I should have paid in the first place, but they couldn't pay me back the time. Could they have? From you guys on Twitter starters. To be, but yeah, exactly when you see a four serve you and people are like, I love this show. I listened to it every day. It's awesome. And then it's a four star review. Sleeve at five. Just calling for a little bit of nuance. Maybe they don't love it. But to anyone that is left us review period except people three or below. Before I'm happy with it. We live in a world where five is the standard. Don't leave lower than five become the standard. Even say Ebert on ropes. They were. Was four stars though. Yeah. What a sarcastic four-star. Was really stupid. But we love it sarcastic. Five-star? Hate this show five stars. Like on Facebook or YouTube. What are they making set of thumbs up with Dan, then make it stars? Like that. Everything else is starts all what just might get thumbs up on the bus. Comes down to I want to be able to smile at your thing that you've posted I want to be able to be angry at the most sit, and I want to be able to cry at that thing you've posted I want you to know all the emotions that I have in my arsenal. I am playing of this particular posts of this shark that you've showed me. Let's see it a lot of sharks on Instagram lately. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. What's going on big big big movie coming out the Meg? Shock men's. That's probably the make. Everything. I would see that. Where is it? What? I don't know. Dan shock man, Dan. Yeah. Yeah. He was his guy who. About saving shocks died. But. It looks right. That was Halle Berry popped up. Very provocative. Getting his guys on Monday G skeets getting's flu shot. Flu shot tomorrow tomorrow. Okay. Well, whatever it doesn't matter. You get change the timing on the flu shot because I have a haircut is well, so they're in the same area. So I had that big gap Q do anything for yourself. What's she's making your flu shot thing? She's booking the Airbnb. She's changing your flu shot appointment. That's why the best wife in should find one. Then why did I? Make dinner reservations tonight for you. Because you're my second wife work. Why I don't like that term complained to. To me work husband where we going. It's not important somewhere that has at least four stocks. Okay. Coincidentally met Rochman Centene since we're getting to that time of the year. How about some NBA illnesses like cold Aldridge, flu Williams or contagious called will? Maybe puke Walton. Al alpin. I got one 'cause I've been bad last couple of weeks. Mucus smart. Polio old and Paula needs. Polio. Wifa? Joe shingles west bronchitis. Ingrown? Tony parker. Diarrhea Perlman how Castro. Eldridge RA rationale. What's another good one? Good. Dammit, number Carris, Lavertu code vertigo vertigo this literally just been said, but Lee hangnail on Chris freeze. Mumps? Can you be alita? Okay. Good. Nyan then bummbly. Piles and say, I'm rides and just added. In the blast maybe getting hemorrhoids because he rides a unicycle. He may be the most interesting man in the world, and you live here. Lanta piles is a synonym for him. Right. Isn't it? Yeah. It is. Thank you. Royd until this morning, actually, great. But a bit. Diarrhea? Thanks. Between the we. Twit Jonas, valid poopie. Listen to all these tweet us leaflet. Nick Chow, we die Mr. von coach, hue as bid tooth hawk amend job at ninety nine. Dr Richard Bailey, chunky boy, Nick Milana, Lou real Greek Mumbai headband nine nine nine jackpot say the winds prince EP. No, yeah. You better run Imraan Qaeda. I five dick LA Montana. Suss slammed Danny g would twenty two shocks tacos. Not the movie ship, but wanna want Trump enoug- fecal who's kept the Koro J rows eighty nine Diego merit Dublin. Victor all dialup Johann Keith's George Zealand Daniel Vega and Niccolo sixteen mean, wou gene piece smell is d battery drew h Marshall Ivan's icky. And of course, the captain of the tweet of the week army and he's fair lady. Mr mrs. Okay. The tweet tasks I'm going to help you I help out on this because you're involved in it. Okay. Well, when we were at smackdown CJ zero everyone's favorite mystery, man. Or woman of Twitter tweeted at a pick of trae at smackdown and John Shuman re tweeted at saying didn't you bring some banana pancakes? Leela? It's funny. It's funny. He was in quickly. Well, actually by his old sparring partner, Tessie Melles who said. Well, actually, he bring to them quick as ever shoots replied hashtag will actually new day is three guys not one. So it would be they Batat's the last word. I really bring that one. I said that. Because John join join Shuman tweeted immediately, and then he deleted his tweet because he messed up he says Dave brink some pancakes yellow, that's when I replied, well, actually, he bring to them. I don't know what the hell that. Tweet. So I was making fun of his deleted. I didn't know what it meant. Actually, both of them say it wasn't new day. They were just as the brood. Nice to stay out of a task. That's true. Well, actually. Off. Just one ping hashtag. Well, actually. So good Shuman. Okay. Fifth starter. Interesting stuff. They're interesting. But that's okay. Let's end this bad boy with a little rapid fire. All right. But this first one inspired by an Email from Ricardo K at forty one. Vince Carter is the oldest player in the NBA by far yet. He is still throwing down spectacular windmill dunks in the pre-game layup line, what is something you do that you're way too old for and feel free to state your age before your answer. Optional it's awful. Hi, Jay skeets. I am thirty eight year old man doesn't make his own doctors. Takes care of me. Head. Headphones. Tiny Luther head. On. Four playing basketball without thinking, I'll hurt the next day. So. Play basketball. You gotta keep playing hoops. But I do every time thing I'll be fine. I'm not gonna hurt the next day. And I say that because I played basketball like most people when I was younger I played six seven times a week at least, and you know, you just never day. So yeah, it's that one for sure I agree. I got the aches the next day again, even sleep. I only feel it the next day. Don't feel it that night Andrew h triggering Trey Kerby, thirty four year old male and I have too much bladder competence interests. We'll think man I'm not going to have to p during this hour and a half long podcast. Guess what? Yeah. You do you drink forty ounces of water, you idiot. But you're not as bad as your father in law who drives from the midwest to Atlanta and has to stop twenty minutes every twenty minutes. Oh, there's the rest area. That's better. Being. I'm on my way, that's a long dry. JD? I'm forty seven years old and I love to roller skate. And I'm talking old school roller skating. Took the kids last Saturday roller skating, we arrived. I grad my skates left the kids in the dust struggling and put their skates done like eight laps. Just. Did you still have? Got it. Not great at it. But I didn't fall like are you like switching backwards. I love the crossover look that. I I can do sort of. Yeah. Once that breeze is going and that you get that those tunes pumping the kids like it. Got me roller skates for my gold Weber costume. And I was like I dunno from still gonna be able to spend forever. And then when I put him on. I just wanted to keep buzzing around the whole student was lost. Just a note if Vince and Dirk retire. No more players born in the seventies. This in the NBA ever to ever forever ever next year? We get two thousand kids legitimately the first child will be who was born in two thousand. We'll be in the NBA. We don't know next. No ninety nine years. Holy all right next one here. Four foot eleven actress Kristin chenowitz Mets seven three clipper Bogan Mariano which this week and the photos of the two foot plus disparity where something to behold, the best image, though, was the two shaking hands Kristen's hand. In comparison to what's a moment. That's etched into your brain where you felt small skeets from nineteen ninety two to nineteen ninety six. We're talking like grades seven to ten how small. Very small. To average is what happened you're for. Sure. So I I actually was struggling with this. So I was like thinking of this answer. And then I was like Lynnwood I small when was I consider small. So I wrote my buddy Grisham dub said when did you think I was small like ages known them, basically my entire life? And you know, they were joking that I said, I said, you know, create something to ten sound right like, and they're like, yeah. That's fair. But then they're like you were small before that. But I'm like, yeah. But you around a bunch of other smaller people when you're in like, great four five and six feel a smart everybody has separated, I guess into the belco tiny, I had my Email as I've said before it was a little Phil. At hotmail? Hey, you're above average height. Now now. I was very short. I put up Instagram of me from my junior year a high school basketball last year, and I had Kristen channel with feet. Not let me limit down which fair. Tiny. Yeah. Groaned like a half size laid off. I mean, it's partly the angle of the photo. And it's a photo of a photo. But I'm not gonna lie to you got small fee for giant. Do you have? Yes. But what size. I'm an eleven and a half sometimes these days but back in high school probably attend. You were still. Six three back. Really? I'm not supposed to be as tall as I am. I just have long legs, right? Right. Whenever I go to Notre Dame cathedral in Paris had feel very small standing that. Vegetable there look up forty three meters to the top of the roof, and you just wow, man. They're a lot sounds. I've been there. Three times I'm gonna brag is one of my favorite buildings. Awesome. Feel very small. That's it like that perspective. All right last one here. Heart hitting warriors reporting here from the wonderful, rob Mahoney. Quote, grumble spread throughout oracle when Kevin Durant admitted in a Jumbotron clip that candy corn is his favourite. Halloween, candy. Oh, no. What how do you love? But believe many other people do not skates. I'm gonna go with Snickers because I learned I learned over the last couple days because we had a crazy. What's up group chat going with all of our friends about candy bars and Halloween candy. I thought everybody likes knickers and don't I I barely a lot of people in our group chat not some of these guys here. But a lot of people were crap. Right here. Sneaker, bro. We're snickering. It's like I'm not saying, it's it's just a standard basic solid chocolate bar specially during the Halloween season. Yeah. I thought so I was shocked the approval rating would be hires. Yeah. It's simple. But near the top of my right? Sure. Anyway. Answer. I'm a hundred percent in on all the coconut flavor. Joy and amounts bounty, supposedly in Canada. I used to hate him too. But now I'm in I'm in. Yeah. It's been awhile since I participated in Halloween because I'm usually working on a classic starters episode that night, but because of our early start time I got to give out some candy, and we gave chips this year. Oh, yeah. Always when I was a kid love getting chips. Same maybe. But these kids in America there, I could have it was like I was putting a raw beef Patty into their. Pillowcases or whatever there's this. What what is? Now, I'm gonna go with the kids. It's real. That's that's a great treat. It's. Neck, those single one serving bags? When we have a lease six chips. They're still your chocolate. It's nice. Sweet. We'll be thanking you later Halloween. You think sweet not savory? I know. But that's a fact, but you use you get all Swedish though, eating chocolate after. Candy. They'll say that some of those kids were delighted surprise, but. Wow. Yeah. It started. Spreading. Gentlemen. We've got a chips. At least you didn't give up pretzels. Oh, yeah. Come many, America's too many chips. And there's like I see this every day. Maybe every meal in America. Chip standard side. Blew my mind when it came to this whole candy corn thing, I guess it was from the Durant. That was getting tweeted around and stuff like that replied to me because I did re tweet it, and they said, I don't want to agree or disagree with this statement. But basically they were saying give it a four star or FOX. Yeah. Candy corn really is truly the only howler weaned candy every other candy in the mix is around and other times. I never thought of this candy candy corn at any other time. What are you talking about? It's not ready for harvest to hall. All these ethanol subsidies. Yeah. I guess that's what he's saying. This is the candy corn holiday. You don't. I'm never seen anyone else. Eat it not around the one or two weeks around Halloween. I haven't like mini exit easter's. Have you seen anyone eat it this year? I haven't. Yeah. His the girls came by trick or treating at nice place and super cute and she had Ken. Thank you. Oh my God. I wanted to try it because I don't think I had tried in fifteen twenty years. It wasn't as. It was gonna just Chaki. Yeah. It was one of the things that I wanted to save. All right. I'll have you hundreds. So is there any truth to that? Really? Candy corn is the best Halloween candy by default because it's truly the only Halloween. We call them rockets and candidates. Good. Good. Addition. You're right. You'll see those toss I will say at like a fourth of July parade throwing at a thing. Yes. Candidate. We only saw those. You're right. We only saw those Halloween and I prefer those two candy corn. Do you know what the original just chalk? Do you know the original name of candy corn was? Try colored triangles chicken feet. Oh, yeah. I guess anti is a better name. Had a blast of this drop. Hopefully, it was a classic. Stars. Look what gives us a one star review. But let's get some constructive criticism. I could appreciate it leave leave a one star written review. But then still rated five stars. I'm being I'm being serious from the bottom. Do not leave a sarcastic three to four hundred. I will get really. She was fine. Dipping into the I tunes store. A lot more recently keeping your eye on where are the reviews, but I've been looking at the top Honda. Yeah. How we doing? Great good. It's all those four and five stars. And maybe we could be better. It could be a lot better to be honest. Sorry. That sounds like a segment one of our social franchises by tunes e y e tunes Matt scouring I tunes reading the. Yeah. Giving us feedback. Favorite? Matt bits of all time is Matt reading yelp reviews for restaurant that is one of your greatest Bellavia. Good TBT. We got a good one for Huby. Let's talk bring that idea a little bit more. All right. Thank you so much for listening to the podcast here today. If you listen on podcast, solid. Help us out leave us review. Leave us rating joins us tonight on MBA TV at six PM eastern. Worst of the week winter ten a whole lot more until then we'll see you heard it here. I have a great time turn up guys. Awesome. Thanks for joining us. 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NBA, FIBA Qs + Cheerio Matty O

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NBA, FIBA Qs + Cheerio Matty O

"And it's wednesday august twenty first in two thousand nine hundred thanks for tuning into the free agents podcasts. I'm still g skeets and alongside a man who can boil the perfect. Six-minute egg task smells my wife. Danielle is a liar. We're going to need daniel del fact checker. It's a seven minute egg. Ooh put that in a book. Ah that's gonna live on for a recipe for the six minute egg in her book. I don't make it in six minutes. He's a seven-minute egg. Everybody i've i've never i've never read her recipe. How would i know the yolks. I think a little too hard at seven minutes soft boiler six minutes. I think he's right on you you and her left. It's the bearded what trey kerby. I'll go back from the dead. You heard his voice already. Its oh hey we did not dead. Oh it's rude. Thanks for dropped it in the first time this summer welcome. I'm sure i'll be revealed. Yes we'll we'll get it. That's a very nice and finally making all this magic happen once again live from his basement here in atlanta. It's jaydee hello there is here we are we almost had the whole band back together minus leo of course who is still down in australia playing hoops with as many m._b._a. Legends one confined played with tim hardaway. You know he's got alan houston. Who's next is a huge numbers of alan houston. Maybe i'll walter mccarty the alleged leader. We'll shoot around with <hes> but he's having a blast obviously getting ready for some of these <hes> u._s._a. Boomers games is anyone else concerned that the entire country of australia is truman showing go on when he's there and they're all pretending that he's like this huge star and they're super excited to see him and to make him happy for some reason. Maybe he's dying. I am concerned. He's getting orange out. He looks a little tired videos quotas because they are treating them like a superstar. I love not hearing anything from from leaf in the slack act channel for about eight weeks and then just a message. I'm interviewing tim hardaway scene the blast. He's just everyone's everyone's response response. Why why why why why not exactly right all right so we are still the free agents the free agents. We haven't signed that supermax deal yet but things are looking promising. We're going to keep you posted obviously as soon as we know we will let you know thanks so much to everyone for emailing us us and tweeting at us and hitting us up in the instagram d._m.'s you can email us free agents two thousand nineteen dot com. You can tweet at us at the free agents one thousand nine. You can do the same on instagram degrom. We got so many questions that we decided. We had to do another summer mailbag episode here so j._d. Let's let's hit the beach. It feels very sand between your toes <hes> nothing better than sandy laughing of the waves as print out some pieces of paper read some emails and tweets and instagram instagram d._m._z. We added that this time all right so we got tons of questions. Let's get right into it. We got some m._b._a. Questions we got some questions. We got some other miscellaneous questions. We are going to address the mystery of mattio so you've been all summer. We know where at least we can keep track of it. We don't even know where you've been and what you're doing but i question it is basketball about the n._b._a. Does demarcus casse cousins recent injury raise any serious concerns for the lakers moving forward or we'll javale mcgee be able to have the same if not better production that one from on at big woodall so yeah. This was sort of the news the last week or so demarcus cousins goes down again this time a tornado which like like now he's. He's torn his achilles. He's tore his a._c._l. He had the quadriceps injury in the playoffs. Poor guy can't catch a break here. But what effect does this sort of have on the lakers you think heading into the season and who do they. Maybe get to sort of back him up to a backup jail mcgeer. Can he do it by himself. What do you think i think it stinks for demarcus. Obviously the two worst leg injuries a player can half. Are we gonna ever see him again really on basketball floor who the heck knows i think just to say from mr woodall here that javale mcgee will have the same production is a little disrespectful to demarcus cousins. I know he'd like jails. Sales posted up this dumping down. The hook shots mr woodall. Have you ever seen the vilna get mcgee do that. I think simplifies the way they play. They just go back to what they did. Last year in jail was just <hes> dunking machine and so you're not gonna have to marcus cousins being awesome. You're gonna have jamila gear rim running and so yeah. They need a backup center <hes> <hes> so who is our. Let's go through the names dwight howard joking noah. Marie speights marching cortott. Maybe kenneth read that there was whispers. Maybe tyson john chandler. I guess you don't like because i'm looking at trey and his man bun right now but i think it's joking noah for what reason because because he'll fit into the backup role perfectly dwight howard. You don't know what you're getting. That'd be basically the the lakers are going to be what the golden state warriors were in the championship years with javale mcgee you start anthony davis is for beside him and then when he goes to the bench draymond green would've been that center and that's what anthony davis should be doing at the end of games in the same way but but when you have toyed howard in there he's not going to play that role the way joking node play that role perfectly just go to the bench him and play that back up five. I'd be like every time dwight howard in the summer summer so i'm just gonna do this time is rebound and block shots and run the room. That's all i'm gonna do. I'm gonna come on lebron has been and <hes> he's been making a killing off taco tuesday this summer. Maybe he would be happy to get some parts for friday. Far fridays yeah to me joking. Though is the guy had to bring it as well. He was sending doubles to devon booker in a pickup game booker jobs like hey. This is what we do and i think he's i think that lebron would like having a guy that he played against. We've seen that in the past having land stevenson around last year rondo last year as well. He knows that no is going to be a competitor a good team guy not somebody ever has to pass the ball to he just needs to play defense run the court and handed till the brown and anthony davis i think he could be the guy can see gore top being the guy as well just somebody that's going to roll role to the rim but like to ask saying the real solution is anthony. Davis has to play more center. He doesn't want to but he's still going to. They're going to use whoever they signed for this second backup backup as a backup. It'll be jail and then it'll be a little bit of this backup center. Whoever it is and then it'll be anthony davis they gotta get forty eight minutes out of those guys the more they can get out of there to pseudo oh centers <hes> the more they can save the wear and tear on a d. but it's all on lebron and eighty. That's the that's the story of the lakers this year. It doesn't really matter that demarcus is is hurt he would raise their ceilings for certain games as we saw wildcard exactly right or championship contention yeah but still i mean we saw demarcus cousins was that for the warriors and he had one the game where you had twelve in twelve twelve and twelve nice but it's still just twelve and twelve the main guys have to be the main guys and now you're sort of if you were hoping cousins was your third star you you are now definitely all in on hey coups you've got to be oh yeah you have to be the third guy and he may be will be and i know we'll get into fiba. Maybe makes the team. Maybe it doesn't but he has to be. You know like nearly a point per game score actually give more effort on defense and not kelly on that end. I think for them to win a title yeah. I'd say in lebrun but they need help as well you. You need danny green and you need k._c._p._t. And these guys to contribute was one of those great summer guys because right now he looks amazing. He looks his jeans. You're talking about physically. The look is cool. I think i like the blonde look say it looks good. He couldn't pull it off the confidence offense and he's got the. I don't give a shit about what anyone thinks. Let it fly it fly here but that ship fly who's mullets those shots why we can let those oh shit slow and he played a little five to not not that it's good when he plays five but he can probably eat up some minutes but i think we're we're kinda. Shortchanging the marks because i know he came back and i have one good game in the finals but if you could get back to <hes> you know like seventy five percent of what he was he was you know had good numbers in the regular season last year but it just it just keeps things real simple now trades writing that it's lebron in eighty shoulders really just a score a pooped on they they have to do a lot and yet can be that that third guy and again. I gotta believe in coups. He's got that swagger so why not he played well at times off the ball with lebron when other guys struggle the only guy lebron yeah. That's not any didn't even he's. He's a weird like yeah yeah. He's a bucket of score but he's not like all efficient so far right his career so he needs to be better at that but back to cousins i saw jeff stotts guy that runs like in street clothes that that breaks down like analyzes all the injuries and stuff like that he couldn't find a single instance of a player rupturing both their achilles and their a._c._l. Across all sports not just n._b._a. Like you're sort of stilted in there. Maybe we've seen. Will we ever see cousins again. I would hope so but that's a lot come back from on top of the quadriceps injury. We'll see him on twitter shooting but i don't know if it'll be an n._b._a. Game he'll be he'll be rehabbing with the team. I think somebody will give him a shot but it's i think it's a fair question unfortunately and he'd lost a lot of money because of these interests all right next question here if we assume boom the top seven in the west look something like clips rockets lakers blazers nuggets jazz in warriors not necessarily in that order. Who's the eighth team in kings. Pelicans mavs mavs as from mike lane twenty one on twitter. Yes is a hot topic final team. Do you agree with those seven teams for the most part that mike throughout their i think so too i guess it some people are very low on the warriors because of obviously no katie and no klay for a good chunk of the season you still oh got steph and dream on you. Got handle your well coached. I still think you're a playoff team. I like the steph quote when he heard somebody say that he wasn't making the playoffs. He said anybody can say anything about anything these days and he's right okay if those seven teams are in that leaves eight other squads for one final playoffs but who do you scratch right away sons and grizzlies fairy up there out of the contention so at least six other teams the three that mike said kings pelicans mavs and then spurs thundering wolves so who isn't it. I got the spurs. I just went said who are the top eight teams and i just went through and said the eight and i realized i had counted the spurs just assuming they'll be in. I'd just assume the spurs will be in if they make the playoffs this year. It will set the record for most consecutive playoff appearances it says by an m._b._a. Franchise they still got demar derozan. They still got lamarcus. Aldridge derek whyte as we saw in the playoffs last year seems ready for a bigger role. Lani walker got healthy. Lead us onto murray got healthy demar carols coming in patty. Mills is still around rudy gay whatever he can give them. I think they have a lot of talent. There gregg popovich is still the coach. I don't see why they would miss miss. The playoffs sure some of these other teams might take leaps as well but at the spurs really gonna fall off people ask that every single year and guess what still hasn't happened. It would be bonkers if kristaps porzingis and luca don-shik entrepot missed the playoffs. I think if they're both healthy but this is why i'm excited for the season is because all those teams that have been mentioned or legitimate not the only teams that can make the playoffs but teams. I can make the second round in the conference finals really and legitimately and maybe not the kings or somebody like that but yeah the spurs. The wolves have karl. Anthony towns sees all m._b._a. Type player as as i mentioned mansion and porzingas this is awesome in the western conference it sucks. I you know if you're in the western your nine ten spot and you look over east like every year. It sure seems like the last ten years well we could be like the six seater the fifth seed in the west area in the east. I should say if you're if you're the ninth or tenth spot in the west but this is great. This is not like the last five years where we just expect warriors and caps for for the most part the two like huge question mark teams are to me are the pelicans because it's like you know they're team is going to be led so to speak but the number one pick in zone winston which i think he's going to be awesome. I is he leading team to the playoffs in his first year. That's not easy to do 'specially in this loaded west so there are a huge question mark because they have a lot of talent. I like what they've done this summer there. There are pieces there that makes sense with j._j. Read it coming in shooting. Obviously you still got drew and all that and then the mavs he said it's like you're right tasks like a healthy porzingas and a healthy healthy luca danni with a well coached team. That's a if in theory is a really good squad but it's like i don't know posing as first off kenny. Stay healthy and then do all the pieces can they can. They all fit together pretty quickly. I'm one kinks. I'm going to buy into the kings first and then you said at the spurs to you can almost always put him amen which makes this difficult but at the kings were a good team last year their two best players maybe even three in fox begley and bogdanovich they should just get better and then they went in. They did add some sort of veteran guys filling the roster there to help pick up a couple of wins here and there in tough games and close game so they were right there. Last year fell off near the end of the season that makes sense but i think they almost like. It's like play or bust a weird way to me with that team. It really really close to that like they have to have a better record. Let's say a better record than they did. Last year which the nearly puts you into the playoffs. They were nine games out of the playoffs last year. That would be a lot more wins the season. I'm always a little hesitant to embrace the surprise team. I think that we saw with the sons all those years ago where they had forty eight wins and then they were terrible afterwards you can catch the league by surprise surprised no doubt what happened with the kings last year. Nobody was expecting fox to make the jump that he made last year or that. The team would kind of jell around playing super fast. People are going to be expected in the play fast. Fox is not an unknown player anymore. People are going to be gained planning to take him out. Hopefully bagley makes a jump like you're saying. Bogdonovich should be better all going to be playing. I mean i know that fox and bagley ackley didn't stick with the world team this year but at least they were playing with those guys through the summer. Bogdonovich is obviously still go on for serbia the the the idea that definitely makes sense but that's a lot more wins. They get nine more wins and i mean it's a forty eight last year. Yeah i mean. I wonder if that diluted a little bit because there's so many good teams in the west. They're sort of beating up on each other a little bit. Maybe that drops a bit but you're right like what forty-six minimum is likely what it is going to take. It feels like the spurs script ripta's already written. There's a bunch of guys on that team that no one knows about like every year with the spurs devante murray coming back from a year where he was gone with an injury but he's an all defensive player and then derek white beside him who made a name his name in the postseason but as a guy that i can never remember his first name i see i always a d. white but i i always i. I think it's a potentially a durell potentially darren. I never derek whyte but either way. He's really really good in that team. Like you said dhamar lamarcus. I just like we sorta throughout with dodging porzingis. Those guys are all n._b._a. Guys as well that eight spot. I'm going kings. I'll give me the kings. Certainly you're going spurs tough. I'll take the mass. I'm interested in them. Got reaction to the mattio. It's it's not easy. It's not easy which teams are there who plays in the n._b._a. Man that's been a long vacation well. It's like do you have any hope the thunder still with chris ball and they stay ari. What a mix those wells. The wolves are the least talked about team. I feel like honestly the summer they really are outside of. That de ngelo russell was maybe going there a little blip feel like they were just like the perfectly in in you know nowhere in no man's land there in the western governors like they're not the worst but they're not no one's really gonna play. Nobody's gonna take him seriously until they make the playoffs. Just after the way the jimmy butler saga played out with basically him calling out the other superstars on that team for not playing hard enough. Everybody's like jimmy butler got you to the playoffs we will well believe it from wiggins and towns when it actually happens. Maybe if we against played for the canadian national team there would be some buzz around the warriors. We'll get in for that. Are you going with breath decide well. Actually my prediction was going to be that. One of these top. Seven teams drops his it always happens. There's always an injury to someone. Something always happens where one of these teams that were pencilling in. Could it be the lakers last year. The lakers seems crazy but if lebron is hit that part of his career where those injuries are real thing now he misses half the season always misses good twenty five games and it'll be fun in your inevitable inevitable preview shows to ask. Is this year the spurs. Don't make the playoffs elliott exciting to do it in january as well when they're struggling a little bit ah out of the playoffs yeah. They're done december rodeo trip. That's always a mile marker. It is tough. She'll be god west looks awesome all right next one here. This one from fiji campos's shaggy shake great unthought combo which of the senators yeah which of the new n._b._a. Pairings will have the seem surprising effect this upcoming coming season it is a everybody has been talking about how it's the n._b._a. Is now m._b._a. Jam all do us so. It's a good one which which surprised so you know which new pairing we'll have surprising effect. Let's get started here. Will this affect take place on court. I don't know but i'm looking forward to see an jimmy butler and meyers leonard hanging out together in miami. Those guys are going to be on the beach in the gym wherein they're short little shorts and they're tiny outfits outfits flexing their muscles because i feel like they both like looking good showing off how good they look. I don't know necessarily the heat are going to be a great team but <hes> <hes> butler and leonard to me is a perfect mix of like preening guys who are going to be showing off down at south beach okay so yeah. I'm looking forward to their fifth picks the interesting angles. This wasn't sorry man. I'm going for an unthought combo georgia's poll. I leonard together exactly you. You can't say p._g. And you can't see the backstreet boys together go together. They should be on tour together sting and shaggy though you would have never thought of that and cayote e._s._p._n. E._s._p. well as explained and as we heard when lee he kind of surmised the show oh and then we heard some of these songs together it's really sting song and then shaggy just jumps in with a you know. Those are all right exactly and it's really it's two guys that don't mix. It's oil and water really but they kind of do their own things. It's blake griffin and derrick rose for me okay. They'll never really gel. They'll get one will give the ball to the other and then he'll do his thing and you'll watch the derrick rose. Show a little bit. It's not it's not a perfect analogy because i shagged doesn't do as much as derrick rose what maybe doesn't blake blake underneath underneath it though was an abiding love of reggae. The police had a lot of reggae influence on them so what's what's the little link between rose and griffin. That's gonna admit it's not obvious but but it's their number one mix yes. You're back to back years chris. I'm going to go as a surprising housing effect having a little bit of a cheat. I guess because one guy is a rookie a number one pick. I know lonzo lonzo ball and zion williamson. Give me your lonzo ball stock buying it if you're selling them by. I'm excited to see him in the system with guys like obviously still within grown but with a point guard resigning andrew real point guard and we can play off the balls well shoot and then in series ion and hayes run into the rim like there could be some highlights here and that could be fun and i think now out of l._a. We'd seen other guys leave l. A. and suddenly flourish de ngelo russell obviously coming to mind. Maybe that happens here with with <hes> lonzo even ingram to some extent. There are definitely a league past teams. I mean i know they're on national t._v. Thirty times a lot for a team that could easily be really really bad but they're still going to be worth watching because you're sitting there going to be a highlight factory all right next question getting into fiba boy that time of year. What percent chance do you guys give a team outside of the u._s._a. Winning winning the world cup what's the biggest chance of beating the u._s. On your opinion thanks for rank <hes> so this getting this gets underway end of august australia so soon but we can half thirty to thirty two teams and they've got all their eight eight groups of four and then the top top two teams in each group gets out and then you move on from that yeah the team u._s._a. It's ten percent ten percent chance so i'm not still super ohio another squad winds outside t._s._a. Mainly just because they've won the last two fiba world cups for whatever that means and then the senior team has lost a game in like what two thousand six. I don't like an actual. You know international game yes they're. They don't have the stars team u._s._a. Right now but it's still good. It's still still a better team than any other. Nation is putting together. Yeah greece may have the best player in the whole tournament and maybe serbia's next even with yokich but then one one through twelve is still by far by far team u._s._a. So and then coach pop so it's ten percents highs that low. What do you think that's high for me. I'm like one percent. I mean maybe janas has a fifty point. Game in greece can take down the united states and it's a replay of two thousand six all over again. We're trying to figure out how to deal with vassilis spineless but every player on the united states team is an n._b._a. Player that's not the case for any other country. Andre australia has a lot of them though still not one hundred has some obviously high talent with bogdanovich and yokich and spain too. I i think it would be a schedule loss which is crazy sort of a single elimination tournament. After the round robins yeah the quarterfinals could play france which is one of those teams that you get a nando dako- low happening in that sort of <hes> spaniels fashion with gobert era nicholas and evan fourniret fire away yeah deck could talk. Yes something like that. I don't think i would have definitely picked greece's well but but they're probably not playing them in an elimination game. There's there's a weird format. Play round. Robin in the first round in the second round is essentially a round robin to and that's probably what they're gonna play greece reese and they'll get out of that. It's not do or die so they could lose decrease there but yeah they're going to make it. They're gonna make it all the way <music> a well so they have thirteen guys team u._s._a. Right now as a recording this they're all going well. They're all in australia right now for that thirteen thirteenth guy yeah one guy is going to get cut. I guess it's a free trip and you can just hang out there for a couple of weeks. Even if you get cut at least seems to be enjoying i i will you will interview. That's interesting the least coming back essentially ray when the tournament starts right yeah because he's only there for the exhibition games these to exit boomers getting kind u._s._a. Games well no actually. I shouldn't say that he's coming back. We did run into his wife recently. We were talking to to roxie and she said we're like like what is lee coming back and she's like you know maybe after these games but maybe not we really interesting. It's up in the air. You could stay a a little bit longer if you wanted to. She did make it clear that the only reason that she might want him to come back is 'cause they're younger. Younger son is with lee oskar oskar yeah. She doesn't care if he comes back specifically said i don't know any time back. I told him that if he wants to stay longer you can but i do wanna see yeah yeah because liaise with oscar sevi- is here stateside amazed recording a podcast with us right now being very quiet on the drums over in the corner so tinos as final roster. It's probably look like this. Tell me if you disagree the guards kemba walker donovan mitchell marcus smart uh-huh harris and then derek whyte forwards harrison barnes chris middleton jason tatum jaylen brown kyle kuzma and then the centers brook lopez and myles turner in that scenario i do have you know plumlee getting cut though he could be the third center sure that you could sort of play coups met center too. If you want i sort of think derek whyte will make it so to speak over a third center in plumbly. You guys agree with that so probably that squad. One percent chance that squad doesn't win is what you're saying yeah one of one hundred wow yeah no. There's still a lot of n._b._a. Players but it's you don't have like who's the best player on that team like. Plum would make any other national team yeah right definitely right to me. It's if they're sleeping one day <hes> write if they get out of the round robin and they don't realize that they have to win. The next game was in college. I can't wait for that that group of death though group h australia canada lithuania as only two of those three are coming out and then senegal as well. It's going to be some crazy. Crazy tweets going back and forth between leeann alvin tasks guy greece and the team u._s._a. Really brings the worst of us. Yeah that's exactly right. I don't know if you guys have speed is with your national flag on them but i do see the pool next one here from what was that the question where you're gonna get angry about team canada or is it a different question i mean i guess we could get angry about team u._s._a. You could include some of these guys dropping. Oh we already set at fox and bagley fairly recently tucker because of injury canada now has had a bunch of guys either not wanna play or then drop out though i saw this morning there was is rumor that cory joseph was not going to he was going to suddenly drop out and then nick nurses like he's got nick nurse. No he's coming now over here to play so oh. I guess he's playing i. It's it's frustrating as a canadian basketball fan like not that it's there for the taking the world cup by any means but this is by no means the juggernaut continuous team and if you had all your canadian n._b._a. Players you had all of them. You don't have a damn good team and they still will have a good team. I mean they're one one of the favorites to go to go far. I think they're i don't know at least like a top eight. Favorite team greece's in their spain serbia <hes> australia but it's just a bummer more than anything because it looked really it looks like <hes> i like you know like sightings. It looks like they're all gonna play and then <hes> this guy's not playing. This guy wants focused on the n._b._a. Season and you understand why with all these guys and this weird timing of the world cup as well and then you've gotta go right into an n._b._a. Season but i know simmons has talked about oh this on his podcast recently like you do see guys that go and play in these tournaments. They generally have really good n._b._a. Years after it it's generally because of good experience hansen good coaching and playing players in a rhythm. You're in basketball shape and ready to go <hes> yeah. It's it's crazy when guys dropout. I think especially young guys like devon booker. Why are you playing in a pickup game joking. No you could be playing for the united states. You'd be playing her with the best players in the league right now or you could be complaining that you're getting w well. I think two things are different this year this year. It's a five week commitment because it's in china and because they attach this australian part to it. It's it's a lot it's just it's a really extended cam and and the second thing is because everybody is sitting out with <hes> you know the injury that everybody just you know watching being the load management situation now more than ever five is a heck of a lot so i think we should have seen it coming. We look at leeann those videos. He's gas gas and he's not playing basketball. It's five weeks. Five weeks for guys is i. It's unheard of usually it's three point five. Yes yes you're right. We are talking about star players in the n._b._a. Season missing twenty five percent of their games and whether that's actually the smart move as we saw with kawhi leonard and then you're like oh yeah here go play some competitive games shorter games that in international play but go play competitive games suit for five weeks like you're saying to us. It's a big commitment but you just. I guess it'd be cooler if it meant more to some of these guys and it does mean. It feels like it means a lot to some of them. <hes> like kaleri was he was going to play had the thumb injury. I don't know how if that was the reason why ultimately that they are like you just had surgery. No you shouldn't be playing basketball wrestling longest season but you know some guys we call it the olympics though in geyser yup not dropping out. That's the main thing other parts of the world exactly yeah. Maybe you should have to play in the world cup to plan the aspects but that they would never do that because that keeps guys out. Lebron who maybe lebron only wants to take his last turn in twenty twenty s the jason kidd. I'm the old guy what's go win. One last gold medal. He doesn't wanna be messing around playing on a five week tour when he'd you'd be having taco tuesday he would rather be hanging out with kids which understandable that being said the olympics matters more this side of the world and in other parts of the world no doubt they care that the world cup is happening and i think it's a perception thing especially for american players know next one is going to get to hey guys with fiba coming up in a few weeks obviously talking about it here and team u._s._a. Coming together who do you think will benefit the most from their time on this team next season so that's goes to exactly what we were talking about. This is from just an in cincinnati who plays on this squad and and sort of comes in next year benefiting from from from a busy summer with team u._s._a. Or any other team. I guess it's a big summer for kyle kuzma. He'll just getting to learn from gregg popovich learning. I mean you know the defense isn't going to be the number one thing for team u._s._a. For sure you know they're not going to be out there trying to hold teams the forty points in a game but he's going to be getting some defensive instruction from popovich. He's going to be learning how to play next to really good players. He's going to be learning how to make the clutch shots when he needs to and how to play off the ball pretty much the entire time. I'm sure he'll learn a little bit more work ethic wise too. I feel like kyle kuzma likes. He's jimmy butler meyers leonard. He likes to be enjoying his time and showing people how he's enjoying his time. Perhaps <hes> getting in shape playing a lot heading into the season is big for him. Especially since the lakers as we said are going to need a lot from kouzmin so good one <hes> i think the boston celtics gelling gelling because this is really the boston celtics light a third of the roster our celtics for them kemba walker jalen brown jason tatum marcus smart so kemba emba will develop that chemistry already has again being five weeks out there together that kyri didn't really have with the rest of the guys so that's a huge going in for into september already. You know having a camp really <hes> so they're basically going to have to camps. It should boost boston stock. I think it is cool to see who will become the main guy on this team u._s._a. Because it does feel every world cup or olympics they're sort of like that guy became the guy or was was the the guy from the gecko in some superstars cases but i mean is it. Kemba is still with this is donovan mitchell who a lot of people think it could be being sort stepping up as a as a leading score and more rebel leader that way is it. Maybe a tatum. I'm excited for that part so i guess i'm sort of leaning towards like a tatum or a mitchell if they show it on the international stage you could see how they could then carry area that in to the n._b._a. Season make sense. I'm sort of excited for it because of the team is almost i know you guys are like an myself included. They probably probably you're still gonna win. Gold but doesn't feel locked by any means not like lock lock when you've got katie and lebron guys like that playing. I surprised to see that they are a bigger favorite. They were in two thousand fourteen. I suppose there are better teams from around the world twenty fourteen spain was probably still on the tail end of their prime but the twenty fourteen team wasn't wasn't any great shakes that ended up being like kyrie and kenneth farid that were the huge names from that one kind of three got that gigantic contract after dominating everybody else in the world that was six foot six and under and then glenn he's going to be great so yeah. You never really know who's going to pop in the summer. I think <hes> tatum is a good choice mitchell. Obviously he's a good choice getting a lot of buzz. He looks a little bit more chiseled to me like even just in the face. His face looks like he's awesome. Wait muscle up no surprise he'd be playing well moving onto a non basketball. You never know who's going to pop in the summer well. This guy's been pop happen. This question is from. I have only one and it requires an answer whereas mattio. Why hasn't he been on any shows. Thus far caps lock free mattio from big big joe. We'll go on <hes> wow <hes> well. I guess we'll start with a march <hes> when the a._t. And t. time warner merger happened <hes> as have we explain on the show for anyways we after the the merger happen. We were told that turner wasn't career contracts and very soon after that we all met the six of us and discussed like you know. What has everyone feeling. What does everyone do you and <hes>. I think everyone basically decided well. We wanna keep going forward with the show <hes> and i a thought about it and let you guys know that i would be <hes> moving on and not coming back just tired of just tired of the show show i fucking had it and so that's why i haven't been on shows the summer but i wanted to come on today really to say goodbye <hes> to everyone out there but not everyone in here to do one last one last pot high on unloved and specifically on the timing. I'm leaving atlanta on monday while driving across this great eight country of ours u._s._a. U._s._a. u._s._a. And i'm going to end up in l._a. And i have no plan. I don't have a place place to live. I don't have a job but you my goal is to <hes> write and produce non-sports so i thought that would be a good place to do it and <hes> i you know. Those are the facts right. Everything else is a lot messier. Gonna miss this and you guys. I mean for me. This has been ten years. Here's ten years of my life. The last ten years of my life have been this and this has been the most consistent thing in my life for the last ten years right. I mean i've moved cities. He's been away from my family for that long. <hes> you know moved away from friends but good things have happened. Bad things happen but really this has been the consistent thing in my life and i've seen you guys over the last ten years more than i've seen and literally anyone by such a wide margin spending you know eight nine hours together every single day for the past ten years and that's not concluding outside of work hours where we've seen each other a ton and i'm trying to you know it was difficult and it still is difficult to imagine what life will be like without. I know that sounds dramatic but this has been the biggest part of my life for the last ten years and to not have my rhythm ruled by the basketball season. You know it's kind of like you were back in school. Just like summer comes and then and the season ends and you have some time off and my body sort of is expecting now to eventually ramp up and start going back meetings planning the preview shows and that's not gonna you know this is not going to happen but i think the so many thoughts obviously and anyone please jump in at any time but the way that i always thought about the show was that to me. It seemed like in life you've certain pillars you know could be friends family that can prop you up and for me. The biggest one was was this show oh because even in times when i was depressed or unhappy or confused or <hes> i i always had this and it was such a <hes>. It was such an honor to be part part of it but it was also. It always made me feel good to say. This is my job. You know to be one of the lucky people in this world bets proud of their job in the work that they do so <hes> that it was a creative venture that allowed me to be financially secure. Are we knew at the end of every day what it was that we did. You know you hear that from a lot of people like what what didn't even do today. You know push around paper on a desk. Ask and i always knew when i was driving home. I know what i did today that show that is just here. I know what i did and it's not going to be possible bowl to me. You know this might sound like a contradiction but it's not going to be possible to me at any other point in my life. I don't think to have a job. That was the spun it was obviously not without its challenges and sometimes you guys pissed me off and sometime points but come on who laughs moore who has left more i've been on. I've been on the floor laughing like in multiple days a week. Because of you know something random that happens or something someone says i spent so much of my time laughing and it's it's. It's gonna be so sad to me to to not have anyone. Are you gonna listen to podcasts when you drive across the country not in this one i switched to a._t. And t. so nice nice nice dig yeah. That's right off the top of the show. We don't know really truly really yet what we're going to be doing for or where we're going to be doing <hes> the new show new podcast whatever let's say let's all of our last yeah no no. We hope it's not to say i want to say because you guys won't say you've been taking meetings and they're going well and it's just it's just the summer that's for sure but it is weird for me what i was gonna say that to think well first of all. It's weird that you're leaving on monday to drive across the country won't be here in atlanta and then it will be even weirder. I think when we do hopefully knock on wood ramp up to do another season another show and you won't be involved in it because he was such an instrumental part as as this writer at at big d._v._d. Can attest to there was a lot of tweets. It wasn't just like there was like where is matt with. What's going on whereas blah blah blah yeah i mean and as as you know little or as much depending how you want to look at it as i contributed on air you know which is really just the podcast it is really the the tip of the iceberg is when you hear my voice but most of the stuff i do is behind the scenes and it was. It's been a really special decade. I can't i find it hard to imagine what it's going to be like without it right to be quite frank and i haven't even talked about the the moving part you're right and even even just not being able to see you guys <hes> as friends ever again maybe once you once you drive across the country gets never come back yet. Works the cutting me out. Oh yeah as soon as this is done. We're removing you from our slack channels. I'll be following all social. Whatsapp group gone on yeah. Starters met at starters on twitter removes <hes> starters for no no. It's actually starters dr car t. wrestling yeah i mean i know you thought about live streaming. Your drive across country is the the bad reception they play a part or you're thinking about it. I'm worried once we're between <hes> oklahoma city and amarillo that that <hes> that satellite's going to drop out just do you tune into star man for them. You must be excited to not do the show. The basketball like that's gonna be exciting scene. You fall asleep three times. Never see me fall. Are you taking your back pillow with you or did you time and i wasn't involved in the studio. Cleanup offense <music> getting passed on to the ghosts of studio v am i. I'm excited about what the future might bring. I'm really flying without a net trapeze sure i'm sleeping in the net will appear ooh yeah that's right. I'm pointing getting. I'm falling to the sun and even if i don't get there still amongst the stars or the for the move back back to iron all this out your you will whatever you decide to do out. There obviously like you're talking about writing and stuff like that i how did you. You're going to be pretty successful. Just remember us when you win an emmy when you win and i don if you win a sports emmy before oh god god signing a non compete with you. Guys are not going to be involved in sports programming right right yeah so the best way to stay in contact with you. Listeners at starters met on twitter. Yes excellent. That's correct well. I can't wait to see what you do yeah. I'm excited for you thanks. I'm excited to see what you guys do and i'm excited sided. You know the the. I started listening to this podcast. When i was in law school we went to college. Obviously then i went to law school and you started the show in two thousand and six while i was there and that's probably when i listened to the show the most because i was a i was procrastinating needed to take a lunch break and you guys were there for me so i look forward to you guys being there for me. Again on procrastination can't wait to see what you do and we've said this to. You obviously off mike but i don't think we the show ever comes to atlanta to work to the n._b._a. T._v. show without you. I don't think that happens. I think everyone would agree with that. Instrumental your in making that happen and then producing the show and doing something that you had really never truly even had done before and sort of knocking into the park you know it sucks that we're not still old air but six years of a daily television show not a ton of people can say that so something to be proud of and hopefully we're not done but i can't wait to see what you do next. Thank you is what i'm saying. Well thank you. You're you're i mean i i know you guys are proud of the work that we did over the last not just six years but since the toronto says and that's exactly the word i would use to. I'm really proud of what we believe. There's no reason for us to be where we are. You know two guys to three canadian. Guys started podcast in a kitchen in two thousand six before anyone knows what a podcast is even conan o'brien and <hes> <hes> and you're talking about basketball sport that in canada that point is is really you know not not nearly as popular as it is now with a you know a tenth of the u._s. population and then go from that to being on national television you know working down the hall from charles barkley and shock and i say thomas and grant hill i mean i've it was not my dream but it was amazing. Watching other people's dreams come true to be honest. I mean it was my dream to produce a t._v. Show show and that part of the dream was fulfilled. It was my job to be able to see my dream to be able to be involved in a creative venture and to have agency over and have <hes> some say over it that part of the dream was fulfilled but you know just watching you guys knowing you from the two two thousand six and before seeing how far it came was was really crazy and when you tell people they're like what if you lied to them or as if like that sounds like got a movie. You should write this movie. It's the story of two men from hardscrabble <hes> yeah. It's not an accurate. It's definitely people wouldn't believe you couldn't write it couldn't write this won't be the last time we'll have you on a podcast offer something to complain about it. We just have your own podcast series for all we know out in l._a. We'll good luck with the drive. I think that's going to be the most exciting part hard for me to get updates. Just the longest drive you've ever done. Miserly are said eleven days. We're doing over ten or eleven sunday's believe yeah it's by far the long drive right by a lot of stops a lot of slams ya lots of stops what's being and other. What's the longest chunk you think you're going to have. I think the longest is only like six and six and a half hour so not that bad easy not that bad. Where's your do. You want to let people know where you're in theory. He's stopping so they give you any suggestions or anything. Yeah that'd be great. Actually going to memphis winter shuts a ah potentially seeing languid occur when i'm just call him lamb whitaker because he made them lamb days. Is that a recipe and your wife's cook. Batman is making lamb lamb this this parts of little gray but possibly little rock <hes> oklahoma city amarillo and then for shire's santa fe sedona and joshua tree too heavy <hes> final sound bath before we enter the city limits sir exciting. Are you going to be like on the on the grams or you're going to be out talking talking to post that finally to follow your journey. Yeah please poster. I will post my l. Follow my journey man. You know we always say we're not. We're not a show. You know. We're not colleagues. Were a band and that's how we kind of last answer that long you know and the band's fans break it up. You're going to write something in your notebook. Grab your notebook in the making of a podcast actually agreed to j._d. Guitar all right well. What was that it <hes>. It was a network show. It was making a podcast for bit only lasted one season. You could do podcast making the band no no it wasn't not it was it was a scripted show started a podcast he z. and b. The b._b._c.'s now's has a b c could have been a v._c. British is venturing into the oh like a homecoming anyway. You can do it was i think it was because it's not anymore like that on our show anyways i forget this point of contact map but you said i won't be remembered in the basketball. World skeet said that sad and then you said you've got bigger dreams. It's an aspirational bigger others. It's not bigger because look i. I produced over thousand episodes of a daily t._v. Show so i might never that might be the peak in terms of big just different operation. You've got aspirations member in the basketball world. What's that. I don't remember saying that but also seems seems like a given that i won't i mean <music> disagreeing with the common aspiration aldridge david aldridge mark stein matthew awesome hall of fame and the personally never forget your first appearance on our very first episode as janda pellet the shirley you will be remembered in the basketball before jan who in just a split second decision walked on as the pelicans allocate the new orleans pelicans were to unveil their new mascot. We thought this bit. We'll kill. I'm gonna go to a costume store. Invent my own pelican cost then. I'm gonna walk on on set and show show everyone and i for some reason start. Just start talking like this didn't know is going to start saying hey. It's me jan dan. I thought my name was john a jan jan jan jan pelican and are you saying jan or and then became jan and dear reader. The bit did not kill bill but we had to take big swings right first episode was i tried to find it and they're like oh yeah now yeah. Do you have a personal favorite moment. Show from your very very long run. I know that's a put you on the spot there unless you notice over the last decade working with your books and your pens guts you read. What's on your pen also an interesting. You'll can't always threat always direct the things i've done on this show. I guess the lynch from during insanity back that was in the basketball escobar jones days. Yes that was very funny where i drank discussing concoction of. I don't <hes> things that start with the letter l lindbergh cheese a ah diploma. Diploma was on eh camera lynch lynch shake. That was the whole thing anyway managed to good food comedy emmys for food comedy. You gotta chance chance but honestly honestly it stopped. There was the peak you also wrote a lot of our music though in any sort of little musical bits it's that we the the in memoriam song. That's a hit depth sunspot. We're not allowed to play it anymore. Though <music> we can play it who cares all right. We'll hit up medio on twitter at starts net follow his journey as he goes cross country and and starts to <hes> to win himself an emmy or an oscar no doubt happening. Let's keep going here. We got some more questions this one a love this one perfect timing from brian m. Could you recommend a good cook book. That comes out this week good cookbooks that maybe came out recently. The one i think is directed at me danielle. My farm talented better half as producer second cookbook food. You love but different. It's out go get it. It was boring. Recipes used to making spice it up a little bit literally by copy just arrives great before i came here today jamaica anything no yeah there are some quick recipes sure in there but no are you marinating your lamb whitaker. I quickly looked through it. Though you know i'm not align here just because it is your wife and congratulations on getting married it looks awesome and people need to know it's not just the recipes. She took all the photos. Does this book. I mean obviously huge in the layout of the whole thing. She did the whole damn book. You couldn't take one photo your hands in any photos or is it all your questions. I don't know i may have snuck in yeah yeah. It looks awesome. Remember what you said about my wife's hands that do you remember that ah i think they were your hands. Which is fine yeah. They're mostly her hands ads. I think okay anyways. It's a good book food. You love but different yeah working on its everywhere number one. I saw number number one new release in gourmet cooking on that's well yeah thanks that's not. I think that's a bit of the just like us. In our the i trevor ederer yeah when a show is uploaded for the first time people are told go get it just like this book. People were told go-getter and yes and thank you to everybody everybody who who purchased it and who shirts goodwill go get it if you don't have it listen to us. We don't ask you for much at all food you love but different <hes> food you love but <hes> just a little bit different next one here. What were your favorite basketball v._h._s. Tapes growing up whereas leila's everyone unloved jordan trilogy but i also loved n._b._a. Jam session and dazzling dunks and basketball bloopers. I remember that one back yup i have that one is sitting on a shelf in stratford ontario so i saw recently when i was all should brought it yep. <hes> those are the five classics those are the ones dazzling dunks and basketball bloopers. It's great the jordan. Ones are great. I i have a d._v._d. Of one called slam dunks to which is just like hey check out. This cool slam dunks but tucked in at the end is the full two thousand dunk contest which awesome just a random d._v._d. They're like we'll just throw the two thousand dunk contest on there so that's cool rolling on straight up d._v._d.'s v._h._s. I mean the only other sports v._h._s. I i remember having as a kid was like bono's the jackson won because he was awesome when when we were kids but yeah i mean come fly with me was was my number one titled. I've shared this story before i think but my buddy grisham i would put the hoop down to like whatever six foot high some foot high. Whatever it was recorded he had a camcorder one of those big clunky camcorders where you put the v._h._s. tape in and we would record ourselves doing whatever cool dunk we were doing with the mini basketball then go down to stop it. Go down to his basement fire up the n._b._a. Jam session tape and within that video there was like those cool at graphics jam session clyde drexler jam session we would then record the c- the t._v. of clyde drexler saying jam session so it made it look like club drexler was like give us props for dunks and then we'd watch it back early on the sampling game and it was an art because those things didn't you didn't press the button record and it went instantaneously. You had to like get the timing. It was like a weird little glitch before it started. Don't you have those tapes. I see that's the thing i do. Have these v._h._s. tapes. I'm dancing to crisscross on them. I'm wearing like a full flannel suit with a hood. I have them but i looked into undid trying. I'm like i know there is a way to get the v._h._s. Tapes onto your computer or whatever but i mean i really just want to watch them on v._h._s. on v._c._r. But as they're meant to be seen i looked at exactly. I looked it up like tobia v._c._r. I thought in my head like on ebay. You like ten bucks but expensive meal from from my very limited research so i was like i'm not doing commodity. Another likes garage sale or something cleaned the heads all that <hes> <hes> those are good ones those those v._h._s. tapes. Did you say no no no. I was gonna ask because i wasn't watching basketball videos when i was a kid but i want to see. Do you remember don cherry's aries rocket series of course all i remember yeah. Those are probably thirty huge volume one. Whatever into a hockey fight so cherry right hail you okay shadow to ron maclean show to the c._b._c. and oh that's where the podcast was the podcast show c._b._c. Cool joke god don so the the only segments i remembered was part. I don't know if it was an album of just big hits. They would just show lake the biggest system just one player here. We just like hip checks. Someone the other day i would go flying done chair. Come and go dog blue feature heavily in those tapes shapes to increase crashers sounds great. Actually they were good all right next one here from max p. Would you rather have a blockbuster blockbuster movie or a sold out music tour. That's that's good blockbuster movie or sold out music tour j._d. Y in china on this one. What are you got pretty easy tour right. I mean da da yeah every night. You're in front of thousands of people screaming eleven to show blockbuster move a lot more work. <hes> no i disagree all you go out there and play the songs. You've already written a move. You gotta <hes> you got to you got to do pre production j._d. Is going to evolve in the editing process. Don't start on the on looking at this as i was the star of this blockbuster <music>. I'm <hes> whatever i'm colluding scenario okay. I'm you know okay so you're cleaning rabbits <music> cloudy and you you you film the movie a year ago and now we are on a junket for two days and that's the end of it and and then you sit in the audience going like oh my god they cut a every good seen. This thing is a mess but we'll get this humongous check. I got for something. I did a year ago. I'm gonna keep making money on this. Despite the fact that i never have to work on ever again also thirty years from now someone still comes up to me as wow you were the man in that movie they ain't going to do the music tour. What are you talking. I saw you says to kamal. Arena always always wears every month. We is referencing a show. He saw lambley fair. That's fair. Let's nice. Call you wanna ask her for an update on the book. That's eg photo. I just her hands. It's not an insult. You both have beautiful. I'm not insulted so you're going okay j._d. Your tour for sure trae movie movie. I'm leading movies well. Of course it's a tour while and that is to ensure that psychological feeling you step out there because traveling yeah being tonight traveling. I saw dr richard bailey fell asleep for five straight days. I'll father john most recent tour. That's fine father. John mris most recent tour three years. This is solo music. Tour is going to be three years. I thought it was going to be long in my head. Actually i just read about a tour that went on for like youtube or a cheer in one of the two no-one no-one said. I look at it in a long time so feel pretty happy about that. You've got the same hands and said. Wait till you see the way says digits around. It would be an honor to have it okay. Here's the movie using. I am sure i get insurance. They just made a movie about nobody remembers the beatles music except for this one guy you could be the one guy nobody remembers ed sheeran's music but you and you have his hands that same movie yesterday where no one remembers ed sheeran's churns music but i also don't remember music but your hands. Where are these beautiful songs yeah. The sequel to edward scissorhands is edward sharon hands just a tight shot of your hands. You want us to come to l._a. I need it. I need your idea. Ah let's brainstorm when this is done okay great next one. What's your best and worst song of the summer. That's room stone hanson to they. Don't want him on your basketball too. Important tasks call him back. We're recording currently speaker phone text speakerphone take my wife. I know we don't record shows very often but hey tell us at the time for a seven-minute minute exit by them. My eggs are seven minutes typo in your book running back to the publisher okay. I'll taxi soon. What's your best and worst song of. The summer. Stone wants to know it was mine was almost almost ed sheeran justin bieber. Ooh i like that song is dishonest to okay. Okay yeah exactly whether it's going to be considered the best number one for nineteen weeks just went off yeah that were to to to billy to billy bush yeah ah she'd just passed him with what's her what's. Her single is now nokia to be the song yeah yeah a- and it is it is good. I never mind here on like everybody's playlist at the polio here at once a day and they're really nice little tom road and apparently there's like a thousand versions all of the same song just with different people on why not and the and one idea and it's two and a half minutes yeah it's yeah it's a nice length. The most brilliant move just taking that short was this not the summer of lizl. I have written down. I do have that written down some reversal. Is there as well yeah i mean. Obviously she's been around for much longer. Yeah what's her on why. I think our hurts truth hurts but i think that was earlier. That was more late winter spring. My sisters tall tree kirby sisters calling at least a sister doesn't know he's recording a podcast. Now though i never answer our calls anyways ah but i think i think juice was the more summer okay okay any other best or worst sex dwarf a a soft solids eighty song. It's been repeat in our house because lincoln discovered it. Is it about what it sounds like yeah. That's exactly what it sounds like like. Wait a medieval warf or it's more of a fetish izing a little bit. Maybe weird yeah google it eighties <hes> also i'm gonna throw it a few more. <hes> the purple mountains uh-huh record was great david berman who unfortunately committed suicide this month but the record came out obviously before then and it's great and the study of a new album out just came out last week or this week. I gotta give it to them. We have a lot of seminal starters moments with the hold steady well. We have one similar similar. I was coming so you were yeah. I was are these. I don't know i might be going out on a limb here. It has hold steady record. Is it easy to understand the lyrics right there. In the forefront tequila takeoff to landing sounds great. It's a great four words to start a song. That's pretty good. They'll give them that l. Listen yeah seminal any other socks we we just listened to the talking heads live album on repeat. The girls love it talking heads. It's good music for a kid can dance to it. The name talking heads. It's funny to say we of music i am. I am all in on this podcast that you recommend the hip parade. It's so good it's so good told turbulence into it as well i did and which one did you listen to you. Did it. <hes> yeah madonna nope now. I picked a weird one. I picked one in the middle and i already forgot what it wasn't couldn't finish it too long they are they are long. They are formative like it's basically listen to our well. That's see that's where you went wrong. Yeah probably so speaking of music pick. I heard you're gonna be playing. The guitar didn't have room in his car to take the guitar to some of of my all time. What did you give me. What do i have a you have a one thousand nine hundred ninety four. I've been as acoustic. I think we are talking maple maple neck rosewood remain about the structure but they say guitars get better with age so excellence to learn an instrument and well. There's a free guitar move so i grabbed. It might might try my hand. At at what do i do. I don't need to learn three chords but no but then i do i have to go to an instructor can do it online as a possible online. We can facetime with you yeah. I'll teach you okay taking is this is an extra guitar. You are take. There's no such thing as an extra. They're all my children britt but he yeah. I'm looking to get rid of some stuff. That's for sure and said he wants to learn how to play guitar brought it over apparently he took three strums and and was told to go to his room sounds about right. I'm just wanna learn it well enough to play at a campfire. That's all. I want to be able to like like you know handful songs yeah. We're gonna start out sing along sauce. Some d c and g jesus campfire court your great great great. It took a guitar class with a catholic priest really rock the gentlest man he's learned how to play guitar likely to play like pop music or was he was was it all hymnals all slayer. I couldn't believe now. He told me that i play neil. Young songs mostly like good. I mean appreciate played. Neil young very pastore. Can you still play the guitar. Oh yeah yeah i can play guitar guitar both broken from children's smashing them on on the ground accidentally so could i still play perhaps would borrow. I'm passing the torch. You teach skeets to play all right man you will get together and just strummed tuna guitar before you give it to me sounds like someone just learned the first lesson well except when no when the guitars not into who i was saying serious if you if you want to get into take a a to a guitar shop and get it quote unquote tuned. We'll take off the strings there some maybe intonation issues. They'll change up the strings for you which you should learn how to do but whatever new string is on there. There's some little vibrations. Wait answering questions. You did not tune the hardest. I don't remember okay. I so was handed a manager to like. There's no way he did download tuner on your phone guitar. Tuna okay all right when you leave him. What am i leaving. Aren't you leaving for toronto. I'm leaving in a couple of days leaving. Okay that's one day see if i can get in there and we'll have the all we can break into students guitar. Get kicked out of your questions. Get to them quickly this one from andrew drew. I'd love some summer sneaker talk. What do you guys think of zion's new jordan deal and do you like janas zoom freaks again. Andrew mackay want some sneaker talk. I like zoom freaks. You do like him yeah. I didn't like the first color way we saw of them. Which i believe we're sorta just black black and white career boring. They're kind of playing the news with the the leopard print underneath. It's very subtle. It's it's they're black in the kind of look black unless as you sort of look at them black and white it was the first one but then were there on. He's playing in with <hes> with the greek national team. Yeah i like like oh that aren't gaudy. Basketball shoes that because there are a little subtle. They look like she was. You could just wear those are the words of a man that just bought a pair of socrates doc. I like. I like my vintage socks. Do you like the the freaks yeah. People were complaining that the swiss chris too big that it's backwards backwards on that. I don't know i liked him. I thought they were they also like the orange. Color way was showing a lot online nine when they were first dropping and that's a surefire way to get me on you. Put an orange out there. I'm in <hes>. No one's tried them on yet here though i wondered i'm trying not to wear socks until the job so sorry sorry sorry about your carpets in socks either me. Neither that's changed. You've changed. You would've six years ago. You would've never went somewhere without socks on that true well. I got into the sock hat. No you can't walk around cats royse direct. A lot of basketball shoes are in this house. That's right because you gave them to. Judy's sadly they're too big for them. Probably up so fast. I haven't worn socks all summer to other than my sock and he's yeah i sushi's big swishes big on them but think about the the air's that those monstrous like the scottie pippen air reissued again. They'll they'll come around. They are sort of boring for basketball. I get it but cares and the zion williamson deal like i couldn't care less about stuff like this. I know people do them was was what's your take on it as the as the sneaker head here. It's only weird to me because michael jordan owns a basketball team owns the hornets but he's still able to sign. I don't now maybe the most marketable guy to come in the league in the past fifteen years to a huge deal. It's not a conflict of interest just because you know jordan is so big but hopefully they actually give give them a good a lot of the guys that signed with jordan brand get these like secondary signature shoes like you couldn't name a chris paul show you can name a carmelo anthony shoe really what they look like so maybe but i'll just let him wear the whatever the main line is the thirty four thirty five whenever it comes out and he'll be the guy he'll be the next jordan wearing guy. That'd be cool. That's sort of but but it's also weird. I guess because it's like it won't be the ions i that's true and you know they try to dwayne. Dwayne wade a few years ago like two thousand ten they had him being the signature athlete and they did it with westbrook to and then they eventually gave him his own so surely he'll get his own gym sometime but i dunno no you jordan deal. It's hard to be out of michael jordan shadow and you're wearing them foot yeah all right final one since you've started with dwight howard possibly returning turning to l._a. I feel like the laker fans will be quick to forgive dwight after claiming to hate him since he left for houston. What are some things you guys have hated that you soon came to love again have a great time. Turn up lovey guys awesome. That's from white underscore iverson post malone. Thank you very much for writing in on the last summer. You're right. What are some things you guys have hated that you soon came to love again. Lakers fans might with deloitte jay cutler not a great bears quarterback not a fun guy to root for but he's hilarious on very cavalieri. I'm like one hundred percent in on this guy as a husband and foil to his wife kristin cavallari on their new reality show. I love the work he's doing with uncommon james. He's got some great ideas for how to cut the fat around here. I don't like just shows like obviously he's made a ton of money. You can you know hundreds of millions of dollars playing football so he owns huge parts of whatever companies he's involved in so we'll just show up and be like hey jay cutler is here and he's just a sour plus just the saddled guy but he's got great zingers putting that on or is it llanelli because i think it's him because you know like all of the complaints when he was football player like this guy's such an asshole like nobody likes being around him. He's such a dour guy and he definitely is but i think it plays different when it's like he's just a silly husband appeared to like the leader of your quarterbacking football team so yeah. He definitely seems like a guy who doesn't actually want to be around people which is tough when you're on the fifty minute football team but pretty funny on t._v. An answer anyone else throat eggs are you're looking like that because it's hard to believe that there was is a time when i didn't eat eggs but i thought that they were hurting my stomach but maybe i was eating them. Raw no boiling them for six minutes or seven minutes yeah i. I didn't discuss this with your wife. I also do a six minute. Bring it to a rolling boil. Tell me if this is what the rest bring water the only keep it at that temperature. Put it or at that setting putting the egg six minutes. Take it out peel. You just peel it feel hot egg. Now you've run under cold water or any bags you tap it on a on a cutting board and then it's member. Here's a tip ice thrown thrown in a in a bowl of ice shrinks. The egg inside makes it easier to peel comes off in just one once in the buzz say the bonus passes forthcoming. I go seven minutes. Rulings oil still pretty soft. Okay sounds like a six you make a seven and the crowd decide. Guess it depends on your stove not really willing boiling. It's what i'm saying we could. We could talk about a forty minute egg if we're getting into the suv lead world but we want your insane person i. I don't like eggs now. He's talking about cooking one for forty minutes. I guess you have changed. We did that once so what you eat eggs from my head down to my likes what's up from my head down to my legs. Take a look it up anything that you hated yeah came to love again yeah yeah lionel richie in the eighties yeah growing up just dancing on the ceiling and it's just what is this guy but now i listen into him almost every day my adult top five artists of all time love wow every day <hes> yeah. There's an occasion. It's usually when i'm you know primping myself and ready to go out. You just reminded me country music. That's a good one big renaissance this summer. I went to nashville. I'm very into country music right now. I've been listening to a lot of george strait eight over the last couple of days marilo by morning because i'm gonna amarillo gotta gotta soundtrack drive soundtrack drive country music now. What are people know about it so apparently your egg line is from the incredible edible egg. Let's back in the day. I love eggs from my head down to go all right. Let's let's eat zig. Continue to follow hold on. I wanna say thank you to anyone that's ever listened or tweeted or emailed me but i i also mainly want to say that. I sincerely love you guys. I'm gonna ask you to come back. We know you'll come back. Okay i might i might i burn up question about your trip here not trip but move <hes> what are you most and least excited about to live in l._a. I don't care. I'm not i mean i like. I like l._a. A lot but i'm not i'm not going for the city. I'm going to make my dreams aims. Come true yeah okay and that's what i'm excited. It must be signed for the weather. Yeah the weather. The weather in the food people are pretty interesting whether food and people the hiking's great actually right in the city you can get out there to griffith park runyon canyon. Put on your nike dry vic you get to the top. Take a selfie so i guess start weatherbys the food the people hiking and lease <music> man. I'm not going for the city. I'm going to make my dreams come here. We're gonna miss you. We love you. Can we do oh. Can we do further for all time. Sake a verbal final drop. What do you mean the final drop but we'll we'll do it together. Okay well. Let me say this. I know okay go ahead. Follow us on twitter and instagram preferrably both at the free agents nineteen email email us. Keep the emails coming. The free agents two thousand nineteen at gmail.com. You can subscribe to the free agents wherever you get your podcast. 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The Drop - Game 7 Fever

The Starters

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The Drop - Game 7 Fever

"Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Xeni offers thousands of affordable. Eyewear styles starting at just six ninety five. No ridiculous markups. No hassles. Just quality affordable. I wear delivered right to you visits. Any today at Xeni dot com slash NBA. Good sweet world. It's Friday may tenth two thousand nineteen thanks for tuning into the drop. The Gary Harris to the Harry garrison that is our daily television show the starters, which we know you're watching nightly on NBA TV, and or YouTube. I'm skeets and alongside me a man who guarantees a raptors game seven win this Sunday tests Melles, you know, what? Yeah. Yeah. I do you did before game six and he's sticking with it for games. They're going to win one of the last two, aren't they? Question. Martin boot to right? It's the bearded one Trey Kerby go right there. That's the that's the Ellen. Next to him. Dropping him drops starters producer Matteo's how I get down on Friday. The old school way hanging out with my putting jam in old school free freestyle. And finally making all this magic happen JD. Hello there is and here we are. If you wanna get in touch with the show, you can't a number of ways Email us at the starters at ME dot com. Follow us on Twitter and Instagram at the starters or check us out on Facebook at Facebook dot com slash the starters. So I guess it's official. We're now on Facebook. We got tweeted the week, we're going to fire the pun gun. We'll step on the beach to read your tweets and your emails. We'll even slip in a little completed area fund. But I I don't know if you're ready Mattio we go into game seven baby. Oh, I'm not ready. I thought news that you're gonna say rats. This. I've never seen you get. So angry. In a minute before the show. I thought he'd be right. Dick's next drop or on Tuesday. I'm definitely recording skeets Faye. Ah? I guess now I'm gonna have to wait till the. Yeah. We got a lot of game sevens. Well, couldn't we up to for sure. We might have a third one. Once we find out what happens in tonight's game six between the warriors. And the rockets we'll get to that. We'll talk about that as we head into that big game. But yes, the Sixers forced a game seven they will play game seven in Toronto on Sunday night Sunday night strange for a raptors game. Actually hated as raptors fan. They had a better chance to beat the Sixers in a day game for sure I hit it as a game of thrones fan. Yes. That too but a great game here from the Sixers Ben Simmons locked in. This is the best. He's looked all series long for sure nine to thirteen. I think overall scored some of his points in transition, and that was the big part. Right. Was it just the raptors missing shots couldn't hit a three to save their life had some looks? And then it's like well you can't hit shots. The Sixers now have more opportunities to go the other way, and they've played really really well in transition was it is is it as simple as that. Like when it comes to these wraps right now. Hey, hit some open threes in your probably gonna win if not. Your your Baxter against the wall. Think they could have got everybody involved a little bit more like they did in game five. I think they could've taken better shots. They didn't play great in transition. They missed they had a bad game. Yeah. They miss it. Eighteen of twenty uncontested field-goal attempts through the first three quarters because the fourth quarter. I mean, you can throw it out. I don't know what. Nick nurse was doing in the fourth quarter. Either play. All right. We're going making everybody nervous. Yeah. Some people think he's trying to tire out. The Sixers starters by keeping his starters out there. Who knows but they missed a lot of open three. So yes, I would get Marcus all a little bit more involved. That's the same old story from earlier in the series. You get he liked to be more involved. Yeah. He would force the do to get involved, man. I know he's not good at that. He's not good at just grabbing it and shooting it he has to get in the pick and roll or get it at the elbow on one possession two possessions. Then he'll be like okay now it's happening, and they miss them in the post this. Well, a couple times, and he was peeved. He threw up his arms a couple of times because he was finding guys they're doing a nice high low, which seemed really are kick in the NBA is just like this happened still in the NBA. I mean, this doesn't really happen. All that often, the whole market Seoul passing thing. But yeah, they played bad all around. But I think they showed enough light get into that fourth quarter. I mean, they're down eight in the third quarter. Just like the Sixers bounce back after bad game. I think the raptors due to and there's no game that's more important at home than game seven a lot of series. Go like this where there's a bash brother on one on one city, and then a bash brother and the other city, and then it just evens out. Yeah. I think they bounced back because they're a good basketball. It was so obvious that this is how the game was gonna go. I was on a radio station earlier in the day on Thursday. I was like look the Sixers. This is a dirty game. You know, they're gonna take a lead. No, they're going to like give it all they have right from the gecko at some point. They're going to get up fifteen and then it's like will the raptors sort of weather. The storm put up a flight and make it a game. And they did they got it to seven there. And there were a couple of really really wide open. I know Gosol had one why had another one wide open threes that didn't drop and the Sixers took advantage of that. And then sort of built that lead back up, and then you know, sort of ballooned from there to the point where it got to twenty. And it was basically, you know, garbage time in Florida. Yeah. Even though with all starters was basically it was weird. Most came took forever home. I completely I checked out of the game like mentally as like, I started working on the drop point. And it was still going on a message. Go through. Yeah. The end of quarter runs by the Sixers where really impressive. There was that second quarter moment when Bogan came in. And it was just a disaster. Sixers he was like a minus fifteen in four and a half minutes in the first half. And then when he came back in when he left the court Jimmy Butler kind of took over at the end of the second quarter. That was a huge moment. I thought for the Sixers he had that wicked steel of quiet Leonard looking like Hawaii Leonard gets it from behind takes it the other way for a lap. I wish we would have dunked it would have been a little cooler if he dumped it it was a time though now time it was in a hurry, and he'd had an incredible first half, maybe a little a little tired. But yeah, the end of quarter runs for the Sixers seemed like every time the raptors we're gonna make this a game and get it. Nice and close. The Sixers finished the final three minutes of a quarter. And that was kind of the difference. I think the two key areas for the raptors would rebounding they killed rebounding. Philadelphia got a ton of second chances. And then the whole criticism of Jared Dudley on Ben Simmons was like in transition. He's a beast. You can't stop in the half court. You can last night in. Transition. He was a base and the raptors it was great in the half court though. He he. Dunker he was series. He actually had some ducks. They're frozen episode. The point being is when he was in that hardcore then that already established that lead. And so it wasn't the same emphasis wasn't on him. In the second the confidence going to was running down the court making plays in transition scoring in transition. He kinda got a little bit of his flow going because like you're saying he'd been at the dunker spot for a lot of a lot of the time. But he just had so much more energy last night. He was beaten quite Leonard to tips off the gas. He got an alley from Jimmy Butler. He just looked like a guy who had been playing. You know, the the rolling four-man for his entire career, which we know is not the case. But that was the best. He's looked. I thought offensively in the half court went for twenty one eight and six he didn't have a turnover. And you're right. There was one play where he just took. You went at Leonard in someone of a half court set finished with the nice like right hand lay up on one of the best defenders in the league. He was engaged with him. I think he got with the Rondo ball fake underneath. I was pretty nice that the Dinka and dumper up on the rim wasn't quite as smooth. But the move was cool. Did more in the first quarter. Ben Simmons in this game. Then I then he'd had over the last three games in the series easily. Just go watch the highlights like, whoa. He's actually was involved in a lot of things. I think plays like they weren't expecting it from. And that's why he was able to get away from get away with it because they haven't seen that in the series and Jimmy Butler saying you've got to be aggressive and you go to attack because he's a six ten bowl handle. Who can you know, he's got soft enough hands? Even though he's shot isn't the most beautiful you've ever seen. But he got he gets up hooks. Hooks up and that was great. But the raptors if their transition defense tightens up and they grab rebounds though, weaned game seven. But if they give Philadelphia this many opportunities, I think I lose it. I think they lose if they can't hit more than if they go go twenty five percent from three say. They say the threes. They are getting they were getting fine. Looks will that they go down at home in game seven on Sunday night, nine thirty six isn't going to cut it just it just won't and not that the Sixers lit up from three either. I get that. But that that's big because again, you hit those, and then you're taking away an advantage from the Sixers in terms of transition, and and that's what they can do. They can score in in that those positions. So yeah, I'm not. I mean, I'm I can't go as far as tasks guarantee against feel confident. I guess I do they shoes, and you shoot I mean they should win. Statistically, it's in their FIFA. They've been a better team. Most of this series of a couple of stink is in there. But this way, you have time quarter vantage, I mean, you should be out of go out there and beat the other team. Obviously don't feel one hundred percent. But no one no one hold you accountable for a guarantee these days, so. I'm just I'm just creating a little bit of podcast fund, right for this particular podcast, the next podcast, if they lose no one's gonna hold me accountable. So it doesn't matter the worst the worst. That'll happen is you'll get some tweets you'll get some in your aggregated. I feel like into a Sixers podcast. Bunch of clips of people saying this thing was over. You know, I do that could happen. Ideally, the Sixers of a podcast of them saying it was over after the last game. I don't know. I don't listen the Sixers podcast they happen. The narrative of this series is real and how people definitely overreact at each and every game. And I've seen that going around. Plenty how? I'll find it and read it, but it's everybody overreacts to every single game in this series. And there's no need to overreact against the game. Six game one. All sixers. Fears are true. They're going to lose this series game to coin needs a better supporting cast wraps loss game. Three Sixers are the better team and should make the finals game for moment. Too. Big for the Sixers game five Sixers are divas. The process was a failure game six. I guess everything is good. But homecourt is really really really important as we know a tweet. Yeah. Those that's how such a tweet night. Those a lot of tweets. Gotcha. Well, it wasn't tweet. Let's that was Derek, bud. Should give credit man felt like everybody's shooting the same thing. But. In being you were saying about Bo bond was just horrible. Brown. That's a little wild that he made that decision going away from Greg Monroe. He's like if it works just give it a shot. Indeed when he was out there. He didn't even like you look at his box green thirty twenty game or anything. But he plays thirty six minutes. He was a plus forty plus forty in a game that the Sixers won by eleven game. Again, the fourth quarter pointless, but. That's you don't see plus forty often especially for not a dominant, no offensive half. And I mean, there really isn't anybody on the Sixers who was dominant offensively. They had a lot of guys have really good games. But nobody was like putting a fifty or anything like that. But that just shows you the impact and bead can have just by simply being on the court. He's just such a big guy takes up so much Spacey such a deterrent inside. And he hits the glass all those things are are advantages for the Sixers when the when he's out there. So stay healthy between now and Sunday. They should drive up. They should drive a lot of germs on an airplane. Mike Scott was a plus twenty nine in twenty minutes as well. That's just shows. You like if you're at the right time things can look right for you. But a lot less germs on a private plane. Imagine right depends. He's flying. He's bringing the German guardless there his germs. He's not going to get sick by his germs. That's a good point. I just assume you probably don't go through the airport. What dirtiest place? Yeah. Why are we through like standard checking Chata don't they have their own? I mean, we flew chowder out of Atlanta flying international could be a different situation. No is also a private airport flew out yet. But wouldn't the raptors where are they flying? You can charter a plane, but I still. There's a different area with those charges. All check in and out. Like he's saying there was a private airport. Yeah. But you're saying even at like Lester in. Yeah. I know that there's a there's a special area. Ever heard anyone? Y y z we always say, here's. I. Who knows I don't know what to expect? I just like, and like Sunday is going to be awesome. Because we theory have all these games sevens. And we do have game of thrones. But butlers been awesome. I'm worried about that still good. Yeah. Made his max contract. Yeah. I love contract in the playoff season. Like even going to want to bring this guy back. We'll anybody give Jimmy Butler, max tracked. Yeah, they will. Yeah. This is exactly why he has showed up big time in the playoffs was incredible in that first half. And I think it helps that Joel Embiid is not taking on a bigger role. So Jimmy Butler is yeah. Okay. This is my team because he wouldn't have got all those shot opportunities. I don't think in this game. He just huge us. Good and effective in his only as eighteen shots. He wasn't not monstrous, but this series really he was up and down in the net series, but this series he's with with. Joel Embiid sickness. He shown his boss one thing. I worry about in game seven is that Bo bonds not gonna play again Brett Brown got away with that one in game six, and I worry that TJ McConnell might be the guy that they try and slide in there. Maybe play Mike Scott at five. Maybe I think that might be the smart thing to do because TJ McConnell hasn't played. And he is a perfect game. Seven type of player when things are ugly. He'll scrap for loose balls, and he'll make a difference out there and. And whether it's Greg Monroe or TJ McConnell, it can't be as bad as Bogue on. But I can see McConnell killing the raptors in Toronto for some reason. Just because he's that scrappy guy and again game sevens, often, get ugly. So he's perfect. And we do have an extra day of rest here between this game six and seven for these coaches, and you're obviously playing with your backs up against the wall. You lose your done. So you got to imagine on both sides. Heavy heavy minutes for the starters. Which then you gotta worry about Ken, Marcus, avoid a stupid early foul. Just picked up a couple times. Now last night game. Six three, you know, stopping a fast break a horrible pass a broken play that maybe you just give up that fast break in. And you start the game in a whole incentive picking up that the foul to stop the fast break. Right. But that's going to be huge because these guys are going to play massive minutes. You're gonna wanna lean on them for massive minutes. You can because it's a game seven, but somebody picks up too early and throws everything out of whack so game seven baby game seven. Well. We got another one to blazers not a surprise. I don't think blazers forcing a game seven versus the nuggets. This is an entertaining game. I was I was going to call it. I gotta be honest after the raptors game last night because I was the players have caught up to me. I'm pretty exhausted. Now is it a lot of basketball a lot of late nights? But then you start watching it entertaining get into the juice to start flowing. All right. What's going to happen here? The nuggets can actually close this out. Maybe it was it was refreshing pallet cleanse to watch that a little Espresso to your right? A little jolt of energy because these teams score score score. Even if the pace is slow scored twenty points, but you had Lillard going off in the third quarter. It was deemed time hitting the thirty foot bombs got back to be in that lizard. It's rent logo lizard. It's actually a cooler nickname and logo Lillard. I I don't know about cooler nickname. Nickname. So he went off Rodney hood continues to impress. He goes for twenty five eight to twelve shooting four boards zero turnovers. Thirty two minutes. He's averaging sixteen points per game in the series and shooting lights out. I mean, it is pretty similar which is hilarious because they played on the same team to George hill. What he's done for the box in terms of how he's shooting the ball. And then Zach Collins, I thought was pretty instrumental in this game. Six win for the blazers defensively for sure. By block. Yeah. Five blocks fourteen points to he played a lot of minutes season, high twenty nine and they forced this this name. Good. I don't remember how the game word. So the nuggets like they got out to an early lead was sort of surprising because it was like the exact opposite of what you sorta expect again in game sixes like like that Sixers raptors game where the home team that's fighting gets up. And then you see if the road team can get back into it. It was you know, the flip in this one. And it was McCullum in the second quarter that sort of steadied the ship before it was deemed time before it was logo lizard time. This is the performance. We thought Dame was ready for it is there's going to be a breakout game. What why did that happen though? Was there anything that? You saw that allowed that outside of him. Just obviously hitting shots where they were setting the pick both of that. Yeah. Hitting the shots and setting the pick, you know, thirty feet basically from hoops. So that he could kind of step into thirty footer. And once you hit one of them that's going to open things up inside. Because you see Lillard hit the first one like, oh, man. It's one of those nights. He's going to be hitting multiple thirty foot or sandy. So when you're able to have so much of a runway from thirty five feet out. It's going to be tough. If he wants the pull up or even try and get to the rim. He said afterwards. We know our back court has to carry us here. So, you know, it's great that hood was awesome. It's great. That was awesome. More importantly, Lillard McCollum if they're going to score sixty points in a game that gives the blazers a huge chance to win. Yeah. I mean, it was just this is lily. It was very hard to see him going out on home on his arm court in this series. You just knew he was going to sort of step up. And it was it was a good game. Without having to be a fifty point performance from him. I mean, you know, we talk about the bench the nuggets didn't really get anything from the bench last night. The blaze has got some solid minutes from guys, and you know, considering when the had no nook it's coming into the playoffs. They've done very well at the beaks spot that Collins has been very good for them. And Kanter, obviously, he's been shouldering his load, no pun intended there. But I honestly if on the nuggets, I would feel pretty comfortable going home. They've been very good. They're very tough to beat the and and last night, you know, they they hung in. There. Just wasn't wasn't by any means. Like, even light. I think it was like it's still a minutes ago and pretty much everyone still out there from what I remember in. Sorta kept like that eight point. Yeah. Through the forest, but that's only someone gets hot and that could easily be a one possession game in the last thirty seconds. We'll say good good performance by the nuggets. But they've already won a game seven of time, and they will probably feel pretty comfortable going back to the Pepsi center on record in the league. It is odyssey. That Damian Lillard has never played in a game seven. Yeah. And I'm sure he's going to try and put on a show. He says I'm going to go in there and get the job done cold after this game. Well, he said before game five against the thunder to Chris Haines. I'm going to send those mother fathers home on the fun. I should've said. I should've said is. You should've said wonder father. I said mother father's mother father. So there are some people being held to guarantees Damian. Lillard said this about his mother and father said Joel Embiid told Drake I will be back for games that they were both right. I assume they would have both got crushed if if they missed it. So we'll see what happened with tests. Right. It was good. See Lillard go off in the third quarter. As you said, he kinda chilled waited and then had a had to go third quarter for once. He's been great in first half and not in second half. But in Denver, he's gotta get it going at the beginning. Because Denver gets gets it going the blazers will be tumbling down that mountaintop, real quick. They just gotta go early. And. Yeah, McCollum was great Rodney hood as he said three guys over twenty five points. I saw this that it was very surprising to starters and bench players scoring twenty five plus points in a non OT game has only happened five times in the last thirty one years we, wow, that's weird. Yeah. Twenty twelve the thunder did it. And then before that way back this in ninety at some point Jack's not since nineteen Eighty-eight the pistons haven't done it to starters and a guy coming off your bench twenty twenty five. Plus, I think it's twenty five is a lot. Yeah. Bennett James harden game. Yeah. Oh, twenty twelve. It was Russell heart and Katie. And Kevin Durant. Must be maybe a lake is in there too with Kobe. And no, no before twenty twelve nineteen Ninety-two, Tim Perry. Dan, Marley and Jeff Warner. There's a random amazing Chris mom, then Christmas Mitch Richmond and Terry Teagle temporary. Teagle? Yeah. And then beagle. Terry Teagle, Alex English, Danny Shays. Jay, Vincent for the nuggets in the last five times in thirty one years, but it was cool to see Lillard pulling out that shot again because you can slow down with the bombs, and then ESPN put up that set that he's shot sixty nine percent from thirty plus feet in the postseason, which is ridiculous and the rest the NBA shooting ten percent, which. Lot of those. I'm sure are. But still yeah. Yes, he's better than everyone in the playoffs. So pulling it out more. We got our buddy Tom Haberstroh saying it's a good shot. But I think I think in Denver like Craig, and Gary Harris that just not letting him get to those spots. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They're like they're there, and he's Feis the whole time. So what traits said about the pick? Chance they're gonna why wouldn't they try it? Again. Why wouldn't you go with Collins again? I know he can get in foul trouble because he's Hansie and all that. And maybe that happens, but the energy brings defensively because I heard Nate Duncan and daily routine about this to in game six here. The nuggets were like five of twenty two I believe it was on their little floaters. And they love that shot. Go catch does it. Komo murray. Does it all the time? And they're going to hit more of those expecting game seven, but some credit to the blazers defense because they were like the floaters were coming a little further out. A little more uncomfortable with them, you know, the further you that's a tough shot as it. Everybody knows the further your back. It's even more difficult. So you know, they were they were ready for that. I think and making a little more challenging at a little more. But yeah, again and Colin's was big part of that. So some defense there from the blazers in a game that's still just like all offensive firepower. Like these the offense of ratings for these teams are like through the roof. Oh, yeah. So they're just they're unbelievable. And it's I don't think people are realizing that as much because the scores aren't crazy. But that's because the pace is an insane. But they literally ever, you know, a lot of possessions, and they're scoring they're generating points. I wonder if Rodney hood don't get a start in game seven because he's doing a lot of his he's doing a lot of his damage against him all Murray because Torrey, Craig and Gary Harris are being used on Willard McCollum. So that's a size advantage for Rodney hood and Jamal Mary. Ann. An average defender. He's not good or bad. He's just out there. He's not going to be shutting down Rodney hood. So I wouldn't be surprised if he if they go offense mode right away and put Rodney hood out there. Try and get him to keep his his strong play going. There's a opposite that little incident there with will button Seth curry. But. They'll be a fine. But I don't think there'll be any. Everybody's gonna miss. I mean. I mean. I need to poke him in the sort of face area like that. Yeah. He him. But I think it'd be very very harsh. If the league suspends him for a game for that. Anyway, for sure, but the nuggets should play better home and Jamal Murray should hit some baskets. Well, seven twenty maybe so for twenty and yeah as he goes to the nuggets go. Oh, sure. That's just how how it rolls, and yeah, they should be comfortable. Will it be as ugly as game seven versus nuggets was I know that was that was an atrocious. This had like four points in the first eight minutes of the gang or something. It was just isn't it? It is an advantage. I guess that they've played a game seven. Now, I thought it was going to be an advantage in game six because Paul Millsap had talked about. Well, we got some experience there. We went into San Antonio and got our asses handed to us. But now these young guys. No, you know, it's the toughest thing to do is super cliche. But like to finally close out a team, you know, it's especially on the road. And I I was starting to buy into. Oh, yeah. Okay. Experience there, you know, they they've gone through this. Maybe they'll get this done and they played better did play better in this game six in Portland, but still came up short game. So who cares? We know. We don't know the start of this one because of the rockets warriors, I guess. Oh, yeah. So if rockets warriors goes game seven that's locked in at like three thirty on ABC on Sunday wraps at seven versus the Sixers. And then I would assume nuggets blazers being in Denver would be nine thirty. It'd be after the raptors one. Yup. Yup. Classic game of thrones time. But I don't know what happens if the warriors finished the business here tonight in game six on the road, which would chocolate appeal. But if they got it done. Does that mean a three blazers co two an afternoon? Yeah. Always says that that was so we'll get back. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. So it's an early start or the nuggets. It's what one thirty I guess probably local time mountain time if it's three thirty eastern they too. Thirty games. Very excited. So who does everybody everybody sounded like they were leaning towards the raptors in game seven, I know. I don't want to be a pulp here show. I last me this morning, I'm cheering for the raptors or six there's I said who are you cheering for? She said the raptors I said, I will too. So you got curbs on your side. Yeah. I'm here. And just take the teams in both. Okay. So I was gonna ask you, then you're taking home task nuggets flavor. I'll take the nuggets. I do wanna see a Lillard show out there. But yeah, I'll take if Lillard if Lillard gives like an unbelievable game seven performance be at fifty or game win or or like the ENZA series. I sorta if they're going, oh, it'd be awesome to back to back series. I won't be awesome. Maybe instead of like, the little toddler wave does like the, you know side to side wave standard wave doesn't different wave. Every series pulled out the beauty Queen wave in round three. Yes. You could still wave on the road in a game seven waving goodbye to this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're not telling them to go. Leave your building. I guess you are still over go home. If he does top-five Lillard series ending moments on Monday. You've got three shots and then to him just walking off the floor probably in other series where he lost before. I make my prediction. I need to know is it at tasks place rafters watch. Yeah. Then you've got thrones right after another game possibly right after save it for the deeper into the playoffs is guarantee to win. So that's other. Okay. Who do you have? Then you like nuggets players take the blazers. Okay. I picked him in seven before. Now. It's got a chance took the rare road team winning the game seven. Okay. Well, then you definitely. Yeah. And I had seven so I'll roll with that. I can't wait. All right game six we can just address this very briefly here where here's rockets can the warriors win this game game six or even just this series without Kevin Durant. Who we know? We'll be missing now Kerr confident he could come back in the next round. But can they do that? Can they beat this obviously, very talented rockets team or did the rockets missed their opportunity their in game five when Katie went out, and they couldn't get the job done in the fourth quarter think the warriors are going to have a lot of fun playing without Kevin Durant. Yeah. You do believe this. Yeah. This sort of this narrative, I guess so to speak of like, hey, we did this without him before this is now we're the underdogs on this. They play. Yeah. They're just going to play like they did play a little bit differently as well. Without the ice. Oh ball, and it's not Kevin Durant leaves the warrior, so its current warriors minus K D equals what they're going to be the curry and Klay are going to play. They're gonna step up. They're going to do more. Right. And I'm not so worried about their their depth. You know, the rockets are only playing seven dudes and they're playing heavy minutes on at the top of their rotation. Cruise one of the best players in the world. So I think he wants to show that he can play defensively should be an issue for them with. Okay d-, but they can win again. It's like you're looking at it like this raptors loose Colli. They're toast bucks Louisiana's. All right. You're toast, warriors loose. Katie. Oh, you have a two time MVP that you can just ask to do more and has proven you can. And you're twenty six and one without Durant with this squad. There's a reason they're super team. Yeah. And the worry is is sort of nail leaning into the like, oh, we're onto. I know. It's almost train. We're talking about it like, I know it's a super hypothetical. But what happens if Katie doesn't hurt his leg? His calf in game five do the rocket like it's up at there's potentially the rockets win that game with Katya. Yeah. It's weird to think about but show. Great fourth quarter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean that was out staff that was Steph of three years ago to just like all right? I'm just going to show you why I was the two time MVP, which we haven't seen as macho view since Durant arrive there. But I mean, this is obviously this is the chance Hodson and the rockets to advance and put all those demons in the posse. If I lose tonight. Oh, I don't think their reputations will ever recover. I'm serious. No. Threat can losing losing seven gallantly. But if I lose at home tonight, I mean, you know, if James harden has a stink. Then it's I don't know. I would hate to be in his position because I mean, let's say Johnson just six twenty tonight. And they lose by eight points at home. It's like, oh, it's like what I I mean, you just and all that stuff that Houston had a bat complaining about the foul balls and all that. Last year is going to put on all white and go party if you lose. But let's coin if the rockets do advance if I get out of this vans. Then it's like, okay. Well last year you lost Chris poll, they lose Kevin Durant issue. So everything's even fan now. And James harden has rescued his reputation potentially. But I'm not I don't like Houston Ken, do it. They can do it. But I'm not you're not convinced. They will not I got the warriors tonight. I think for sure they're going to win. I think exactly what you guys are saying the rockets are going to melt down they should win this game. And that to me is a recipe for them losing Steph. Curry said that the warriors were smiling thinking of the guys they were going to have to use to win this game. You saw how crazy the fans were in that fourth quarter. How excited the warriors? Honestly, where to be playing old school warriors basketball and you saw Steph curry go back into MVP mode. It's going to be the same thing. It's a lot of pressure on the rockets they have to win the game. That's right there. And the warriors are a two time defending champion these guys that are playing tonight. We'll be three time champions already. They got it. Just just like the raptor Sixers game it gave seven because you're relying so much on your starters foul. Trouble massive, I think in this one if Draymond green gets a couple of really files they're in trouble. Because you said you're not to worried task because the rockets don't play a lot of guys about the warriors depth. But you you do have to replace forty two minutes of Kevin Durant. I mean, that's what the guy was averaging. Maybe it was a part of the calf injury who really knows. And then you've already got already got curry green and clay playing forty minutes. So you're not you're going to I guess in theory asks them to play a little bit more. Okay. And then you could always already starting and playing a good, you know, heavy minutes for him. So like, it's just like you're going. You're hoping Ludi is like who had an awesome. Like, I know the story became curry turned into old curry, but like there are a lot of other things right looney getting big rebounds, drip, co hitting a corner. Three until he hit a couple of bricks like they have little tiny contributions. Yeah. Clay was big. But it's like, wow, man. So that that means like you're going to see some more McKinney. Do we see bogut? We have seen them at all basically this series. Like, you probably gonna get a handful of minutes at some point. But if you will the rockets, you have to go at Steph from the start and try to get he is he's he's shown a propensity to to get a couple of thousand clearly if he's in some sort of trouble and he's off the floor, and then it's impossible for the rockets to lose if Steph off the floor. They're going to have to replace Duran's minutes with a bunch of guys that, you know, aren't the sexiest names that being said on the other side James harden is playing forty five minutes PJ Tucker played forty five minutes in that game. Right. You're played thirty eight minutes in that game. He did or not productive and Eric Gordon. Played thirty eight minutes in that game, heavy minutes. So the guys that would replace them if they got into trouble I wouldn't trust. Farid comes off the bench or Gerald green. Who who Mike dantonio doesn't trust right now or any has to play more than four greybeard minutes that he's playing right now. I still at the beat man. It's not. Yeah. It looks better with the gray. So I am not so worried. They're just they're good enough. Yeah. I think they'll be motivated, listen, if it was a whole playoff run than it would be it would be different. But yeah, it's a week. I think they'll be happy. They have to win one game here against the rock a team that they still even without Kevin Durant. They feel confident they can be. That's what it comes down to. But I mean, who do you have on the rockets who who do you have confidence in on the rockets that will show up in a big game in the biggest game of the season harden. I don't think you can guarantee at Chris Paul. You definitely can't guarantee it. It's tucker. I don't know to talk you'll play well Austin rivers will play. Well. Then we'll see we'll see that'd be hardened Crispell. Like harden? We'll get buried if he has a date for twenty two game, and they lose. But if Chris Paul doesn't other three for fourteen four fifteen whatever he deserves just as much blame. Yeah. He's I said this on the show last night. I was getting all worked up. I hate to always bring it back to the raptors. But it is like you have to compare like he goes through your fourteen they lose this game. Again, they probably should have one. When Katie goes down a much sort of a weird must win game in a in a strange way. And it's like, where's the why is he get a pass? What is Chris Paul gonna pass? Because when Lowery does this. We give me some Rapley crazy. We like everybody goes crazy about it. Because he makes thirty million dollars. He should be your second. Best player should be able to at least scored fifteen points in a playoff game. That's a lot and Chris Paul same thing. And he's he's he's averaging fourteen point six points per game shooting twenty-seven percent from three three turnovers, which is really weird for Chris Paul in this series compared to last year when he was great. He was like, you know, twenty points per game in the in the warriors series. He has to step. To just James hot and only making baskets in the fourth quarter game. That's the like the narrative right there. We'll hot and didn't do enough straight away. It always falls back to him. I think he's got to get a little more rest. I know making excuses, but. I don't know forty five minutes a lotta minutes. Yeah. Yeah. I guess did excuse. Yeah. I'm talking specifically about hardware. Yeah. Chris Paul maybe just shoot twos because he was fine shooting news okay shooting twos. But it was over from three. Why not you know, the mid range is open for you. Go bang those home because he was three of eight from from two point land and over six from three to score a bunch of buckets there and get get your field. Get your flow because he doesn't look like he doesn't look like a forty million dollars player right now. I get I think that's fair to say. And I I think art and can get a few more minutes sitting if Chris Paul's running the offense and running it well and I'm fine with him shooting twos. And I think in this game. But boy, he's not fine with him shooting too. Yeah. High percentage shot. Yeah. The number. It does hurt the numbers game. But I don't care. This is desperation time at Chris Ball needs to make some shots for he has to have a big game. So disheartened. That's that's obvious is super tight series the five games decided by twenty four total points. I love this though. I love the no Katie factor in their share aches. It's so interesting so much more interesting, which was already turning into a great series. You do find out and there's all we've ever talked about. Especially casual fans is Katie a luxury just to this warriors team, or is he actually necessity like is very very important. And like some people say now, there's still a great team without them. They probably maybe they could've won another title. They'll be like no way. Did you see what Katy did he likes to files MVP's lights out all throughout the playoffs has to be that it has to be feeding Steph, and Draymond and clay to know that the last couple of years people just talked to Kevin Durant and how he joined the team and how they won with him. And the heat was the reason that it has to be motivating them to win game. Yeah. Right. I mean, they've heard it for so. So long. Yeah. They'll they'll have some fun out there. I defense should be a worry. I think. But anyway, yeah, I mean seven different ship will be a devastating rockets loss in game. Six again game seven sure, you can talk me into it. You're you're on the road. I get you never win in the oracle. I get it. But you can't lose this one. And you're saying, you're you're you're gonna. Oh my God. I mean, that's and they've already given away two games two games in this series, which they could have won in game one and game these so that's a worry for the rockets. Do they know inside themselves? Like, we already missed this one. We will see that game six tonight Friday night and then Sunday possibly game seven. That would be in the afternoon as I said, all right? Let's talk a little bucks, really quick. What will get to the Celtics? But we didn't talk about the box on last night's television show. They eliminated the Celtics and five they're going in the Eastern Conference finals, baby. Block table had a good question about their run here. The most impressive aspect of the bucks eaten one playoff record. So far. What do you? What do you think? What what is it? That's impressed. You most. Well for me after that game one loss to Boston. I was like, oh, this is bad. This looks too much like last year, the bucks those guys Bledsoe and brook Lopez. You know, they find are okay. Against the Trump that wasn't real playoff series and the Celtics defensively, very good. They locked in the deep that will coach. And I thought. And I figured out yawn. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. So it's in the pine, and he and he was trying to force things. And I thought oh man the bucks game to all of a sudden he's a huge game for them. And then basically they just shook that game on off and they want they they everage point margin was like fifteen points a game series in the end, which is incredible for that sort of turnaround against the team that we thought coming into the season was probably the best in the Eastern Conference, and that had some issues, of course. But those games in Boston were very very impressive to win two games. They last year they lost one game. I think in overtime but other than that. It was a very very bad place for them to play Milwaukee. Janas just I mean, he was just superb in this series. Just brilliant for all the MVP playoff. Goes. We talked about like Hawaiian Joel Embiid when he's healthy Yana says just bane incredible. And doing everything from walkie and transition defensively been great he's stepping into those threes and knocking down a couple of those and those other guys Middleton and Bledsoe have stepped up and just an all. Round very very super impressive performance considering what they were off to one game of this series. What's jumped out to you guys? I just like that the bucks of the same team. They were during the regular season. That doesn't always happen. Even with a really good team. So we see the warriors will play through an entire season. The ball is moving everybody's involved. And then it gets the playoffs. And it's a nice, okay. The bucks are third in offense. I in defense third and pace. That's exactly how they played the regular season. Basically after game. One Yana started getting all the foul calls. He should have been getting a game one. That was a big reason. I thought that Al Horford did such a good job of stopping Jaanus was guys would just reach in and grab his arms, and it wasn't free throws. I started getting free throws in that an efficient way to score for the bucks and for Jaanus. They haven't gotten great shooting performances out of a guy like brook Lopez. But just the factor of him standing out there. Somebody's gotta garden still. He's got space. The bucks have been super impressive. They've been the best team in the playoffs. So far and are people on the still sleeping on them? Yeah. Because they have made anybody yet. I mean, they beat the Celtics who were good, but the Celtics kind of self imploded. Yeah. Yeah. And they beat the pistons remember the pistons. No. Yeah. There are sixty one team. That's got at least make make a final. I guess to really get on people. It's a man, it's Milwaukee, you know, they haven't won in a very long time. But Yannis his reaction to game. One was the most impressive part for me. And that he just stayed stay. The course and didn't try and do anything different as you said Trey and he said, all right? I just gonna play like the MVP. We're not gonna mess. Anything up? I'm gonna go to the bench. When I go to the bench, and he went to the bench a lot. And they got better when he was on the floor. The team is better when Yannis was on the bench and a lot of that is George hill, which is the pickup of the season for me for them. They did a great job with Nikola Mirta chew stepped into the sparking starting spot. But George hill outplayed Eric Bledsoe in this series and airports was very lucky that Georgia was on that roster me they'll play Kyrie Irving. Yes. Like, yeah. No. He did regarded at them. Really? Well, yeah. He averaged fifteen point five points per game in the in the four winds fifteen point five shooting sixty two percent. And you're right. Sort of like blowing games out because it was on the bench you like all right here. It goes the Celtics run the exact opposite was happy pet. Contin also really solid for voluntary. You've really is giving them rebounding season. Yeah. And then Malcolm Brogdon is now back comes back in game five look all right for a guy played since March fifteenth, and now has more time to rest, and he's only going to get in theory a little bit better a little more comfortable on that on that foot. So box will pull them for the Sixers last night for show this series. Add an extra game the game one is on Wednesday nights. Are they going to be really fresh and ready to go? And the other teams are gonna come off potentially a tough game seven. I mean, Milwaukee's looking really good, right? Nancy to advance which is an incredible turnaround. Really from last year, they feel like the the modern day Spurs to me a little bit. Not nothing so much the style of play. But the way they're just stoic broS like Yannis and George hill and Pat content and Middleton, they don't not a lot of crazy faces on that she's been doing quite a bit Koby a little bit. Yeah. He's got a little face. Yeah. We haven't had a real gripe bud face though. Haven't had a very many close games. Yeah. That's right. I think they up to four or five twenty points twenty point plus victories in the postseason something like that. Which is very very rare to have that many just sort of crushing crushing winds is they've been very impressive. I yeah. It's it's still tough. I think there's two things three things. You're right there, the bucks in Milwaukee. You know, a lot more attention is going to be on the rockets and the warriors teams like that. But it's also like it's always weird when a teams like you haven't won a playoff series and how long and then suddenly like you're like screaming through and now looking like a legit title favourite. Like you like, I think they're second. Maybe you know, in terms of Vegas odds to win it all and you can buy it. And you can see it there's that. And then it's like how you play the piston. So who cares? And then the Celtics I mean, I had the Celtics in seven. So I obviously believed a little bit that they had turned the turned the corner and flip the switch or whatever you want to say. But then they implode. And now, it's all these it's easy to make the excuses like well there. Like, they're not really a real team. They all hated each other, no chemistry. You got the whole Kyrie thing. But I'm not sure that's fair. Like is that the bucks just killing these teams that are maybe like a little bit better than we're giving them even credit for because they're that good regular season. You can even look at you honest and be like, oh, there's a clear flaw in this guy's game. Just wait until somebody figures out how to make him have to shoot a three pointer. And then he's not gonna be able to do anything. That's been the case for his entire season. Still. I mean, he'll shoot a three. Sometimes he's been making them in the playoffs. But it really doesn't matter. It's like saying, oh, man if we can figure out a way to make shack shoot threes. He just didn't shoot three's dunk it. No credible. Eight and one playoff record so far and they're waiting to see who they played. It'll they'll be hosting a lot of be the Sixers raptors starting next week, Celtics talk. They got big off season head of them guys. Let me just run through what's going on here. Kyri we all know he can opt out of his contract this summer, he can become a free agent. Al Horford Aron Baynes can also opt out of their contracts. Marcus Morris is a free agent. Terry Rozier will be a restricted free agent. And then what do you do with this potential still? Maybe they're Anthony Davis. Type of trade is Tatum involved is is Brown involved are both involved, whereas Marcus smart in this equation. There are so many question marks with this team. Specially after how they just fell flat on their face losing five games. Unbelievable disappointing season, and you hear from Celtics fans going. I hated this team. I hated this team cheer even pretending to cheer for this team. Because of the dynamics between your star players and your role players who had got further without those star players. And all that what what did the Celtics? Do. What is Danny aines, do this this offseason? You're in control, the Celtics. I'm curious. What do you do do you? Well, try a sign and trade with kyri that sort of alluded to last night car is in his prime. He's an all NBA ill, stop Platt. He's a great play. Of course. But is his baggage with it. And how much of that? Do you want to pay him? Do you want to pay him hundred ninety million dollars? Exactly. And I don't think Danny Ainge. Wants to do that. I just don't think he wants to invest that sort of money and Cari knowing that Kari's potentially a a game winning play. But also he can eilly night people within that locker room. And I think he's looks at is young guys Brown and tied him, and he sees the future there. And I think he realizes he probably like we need to get someone else who just jails a little bit. I don't think this is a relationship that can be saved. I mean this between kyri and the Celtics wrestler teat really note for the sort of money that Kyrie is going to be commanding out the someone's going to throw because no other team can offer them that fifth year someone's going to throw him four years, and whatever he's with a and just because identity I enj- had run by one of that supermax when he was at the end of his Celtics time, Danny Ainge, tried it. Isaiah Thomas just came off an old NBA Korea season where he was loved by everyone in Boston, but he had that injury consent. And and also, I think he felt there was something Visayas sort of punching above he's white there and terms if he's point God. Skills, and he was like I'm not paying him the huge contract either. So I think Danny Ainge would probably still got plenty of assets, plenty of trade assets in these guys Brown and tied him Shannon, often they young enough that they window is still going to be opening a few years. I think their windows still open if they don't have Kyrie Irving. Yes. I think so I think so I think with making a trade show sign they're going to have to try to make bring someone else in to replace Qadri. But I think Donna's like, listen, if we don't, you know, next year the year after we've still got these young guys who was still on their way up Kyrie for Anthony Davis rekindles, his relationship with David Griffin that he had Cleveland try and make it work. You're not gonna get anything better than careering for Anthony Davis. Anthony Davis still reports that he doesn't wanna be there. And yeah, I I agree that Kyrie Irving in Boston's probably done, and maybe he can rehabilitate his image and reputation a little bit somewhere else. And I'm sure he's learned from this year. How to be a leader as he's. Talked about many times and learn from LeBron and how tough it was. Yeah. He probably moves on. Yeah. I guess you just wait and see what Kyrie does. I would personally rather have them back. If I'm the Celtics, I've still kyri believer. He had a rough season. He doesn't know how to be a leader. It was really tough for him to be the number one guy going into the playoffs where an entire team is going to game plan. How are we gonna stop you? He wasn't able to figure out what to do. But we've also seen a lot of guys struggle being leaders. Kobe. Bryant was trying to get traded before he won his second set of championships. He was out there saying get Andrew bynum outta here. Andrew bynum ended up being one Kobe Bryant's most important teammates when they made it back to the finals guys. Can learn guys can get better as leaders. You know, it's Kyrie's I go round. This is the second season as the number one guy. But this is his first time in general being the main leader on a team. I think he as a young guy he's all about personal growth. Maybe listen, some good podcast. This your learns how to manage those interpersonal relationships a little bit. So you think kyri needs his power Saul to insure so, and you know. You know, it would be you know, if you had a little bit more of a go, get them personality or the souped up version of pal. I guess is Anthony Davis. Yeah. I don't know pantheon Davis has any better of a leader than Kyrie Irving. Go. Yeah. That's the thing fair that that's that pairing doesn't sound like it's going to work all that. Well, for some reason Kyrenia Anthony Davis, really I mean. I mean Tatum and Brown and rosier Kyrie Irving personally that I think is a guaranteed Rosiere seal later. Said all that. I think he's almost as not as much of the problem is Kyrie because Kyrie's such a big personality and takes up so much space in the room. But clearly the relationship between kyri and Rosiere and Brad Stevens wasn't there at all this year. And it kinda poisoned the to head Rosie at wants to start if he will get that at some other teams in Phoenix. Yeah. Maybe maybe. But I think he would rather take that. And then be sitting behind Kyrie or almost anyone else as as a point God he wants to he wants his chance to stop someone will give it to him. But. The big question really is how often because he cannot that if he's contract and that will be for me indication of whether or not he's like, I'm not playing I'm not sticking round. If he's coming back. Right. I'm out of heat. Right. I mean from his sort of exit interviews of what we've heard, you know, minimally what we've heard from Horford does sound like he's interested in staying in say he wasn't didn't sound like a guy that was like I'm out of here. Tell you thing not that Al Horford relief do that. But he would be in demand a lot of things with law. If so if he does become a free agent, there's no shortage of Sudas off to him. But I think he's. Yeah. That's interesting. If Qadri stays does out if see Seattle think Cairo's disliked really amongst those guys like Horford, no Morris smart. I think it's the younger. Yes. Yes. Martin definitely not carry. That was the problem this year. Yeah. And I believe him when he says that and he is a leader for that team. I don't know. It's the hot and soul Lita go. I for sure I mean that the Celtics they love smart, then then I'm going to move on from him. So we've never. Hear it from Al Horford if he was upset we probably hear from one of his family members. Right. I should be great on Twitter if Al decided to leave, and she spilled the beans on some stuff at one some point down the road. We're going to find out what really went on here. And like what really turned the season. Like, I think Simmons was talking to his data voted or actually brandy talking to grant her this morning about the play by play for the Celtics about he thinks Sean does he's around the team every day that the season it flipped when kyri in New York. Remember, knowing he's going to be asked about the whole idea of coming to the Knicks and like had had changed his tune about free agency when in October. He's like I'm coming back if you'll have me. Yeah. Awesome sort of put that story to bed. But then in February when the team is actually doing alright Celtics were sort of getting it altogether opened up this Pandora's box of like, you know, get out of here asked me, July. I like, I don't know. And like it was like, whoa. When he again, if you wanted to could've been like, I've already told you I wanna be here. Locked into this season. We're going to do like, and he didn't do that. He didn't. All and and wow, kyri flip-flopping on. Yeah. Unbelievable. He told an entire room of children when he was with the Cavs. I'm going to be a cab for life, and then request the trade a couple of years later. Yeah. I just can't see it. I just can't see him in a Celtics uniform you from all sides jersey, hanging from the rafters. I don't think he. He's the franchise. His damn. Yeah. I think they're going to move on from him because the obvious choice though is that right? Well, it's I mean, it's he's gonna choose before they choose. But if they say, we will give you the five-year max there. They will. I think you think. Yeah. Players just leave. Yeah. I didn't think so I think Danny Ainge wants to commit that much to him myself. I'll say just two quick things outside of a sign and trade. I mean, he if Danny worked with another team. Oh, sure if done he's like, we'll sign and tried you then have have whatever you want. But I just don't think he's going to say we want you to stay. And he's giving you max two things. I don't think there's going to be a really great story that happens. Really? I think it's just going to be probably wrongfully. So, but someone just going to the story will be okay. Irving's a weirdo, and I say wrongfully so because he's not typical basketball player. Yeah. He thinks a little bit. He's I went I shouldn't say basketball. There's no think alert, but he he talks a lot. And I think that's it. He's just different. That's it. I think I think that's the story. It's going to be like, he's not we don't get along. And that's it. And then second thing you guys mentioned several dad's my favorite Granddad, David Aldridge. He tweeted as soon as Kyrie Irving as soon as they were eliminated. If it's that this is going to be a heck of an off season. That's all I can say, and I don't think David Aldridge. The hall of Famer man's been around the NBA. We'll just throw things. Out there all willy nilly. I don't take that lightly. Kyrie's gone. He's leaving. Why would he tweet that resume as are eliminated? It is everybody knows he's gone. He's decided this would happen at some point during the siege. Like, I'm not I'm not staying here. I'm gone. And then now we gotta play at the rest of the season, and people are frustrated them. And then the other thing is it would have been so different. If Kyrie actually had backed up his, you know, play like an NBA all star guard in the playoffs, and he did the exact opposite. I mean through the last four games I five he was great. But if percent, he was he was I think somebody said he was worse than Westbrook efficiently. Wouldn't be surprising. Right. Yep. And that's a guy just gets grilled for being so inefficient. And he was just as bad. But if they're gonna sign to a five year one hundred ninety million dollar deal. You don't think he'd take that? Because he hasn't been a huge earner throughout his career to this point. It's not like you signed monster deals. He's made seventy four million in seven years. So where does he go? Okay. Let's let's say he doesn't stay there. And there's no sign of trade. And he's like I just wanted out of here. And I'm going to go sign for four years somewhere else. I'm guessing the Knicks would be my first choice. Does he's kind of from the from New Jersey where he grew up. They've got the money. That's the sort of platform and stagey like they desperately want a stock on that team. It's like car, eat, just whatever you want. Just have it. Have it have a week we need you badly. So I would guess that would be fish choice. And then maybe Los Angeles, the lake the lake is, maybe. Yeah. Those do seem to be the two most buzzed about. No, I think that's the I think Deandra Molucca to retain him and have probably rather than again, go for the huge money for car. I think. I think the Knicks dislike this is a bit like twenty ten allied. We just need to sign someone to a huge contract to show that we've turned the corner. My Knicks back baby. You know, I'm going to lean into it. I'm going to be Knicks fan in jersey. I'm gonna be a Knicks fan. If relieves then does this completely take the whole Anthony Davis trade out of the equation for the Celtics, Danny Ainge? I would think so I would think the only way you're getting Anthony Davis the play in Boston for more than the years. If there's somebody else who's a major name there, which would be carry everything if he's gone what's the lure of keeping him around past the one season. And in that case, or you're going to trade, your guys who might be your future and Tatum and Brown for a year of Anthony Davis without Kyrie Irving. His Anthony Davis that good that he's gonna make you an Eastern Conference title contender when he can't even get his team to the playoffs in the Western Conference. I don't think if if Connery's gone, I would not imagine eighty will be a Boston Celtic, how do you feel about Tatum and Brown as your future players? I'd rather have kyri number one guy for sure. I'm on. I see them both very a lot of potential Las season this season. Overall. Very good still got some growth. Still got some development. Fisher you hire on Tatum or higher on Brown Tatum. Still we still are filled. Yeah. Brown Brown was very good for them in the playoffs on adjusted his role. But I I see stop potential entitled sick, and you go. I mean, look really he was called twelve time all starts. He didn't quite make those same expectations onto different circumstances issue, but I can have a bad year track. You said Kyra can have a bad year next year is important for next one is the aberration. Exactly. And he's got to get rid of that mid range clunkers that he that he shoots a lot of these are they going to be knocked those in or get rid of them and then getting sought to the Pineau become three point shooter. But again, he's at twenty twenty year old guy, and he's got a lot of growth and a lot of development. But I see I'd be pretty confident that he will be an all star at some point of his in his career big big decisions for Celtics brass there. Danny agent crew. I think you'd go a million ways. That's the fascinating to me. So we'll see. All right. 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This first one gets right to the point James. He wrote in Email, then what the hell are the Lakers doing? Lebron james. No, no. I don't think. So James first name. I believe what the hell are the Lakers doing? Okay. Great question. James? Let me give you the recently. Cours timeline props to go space Ciller for this one president of basketball operations Magic Johnson. He told the media he told the media before the team that he was quitting right before the team's final game. Just so he can get his tweets off. And boy is he getting this tweets off. So he leaves that was only one month ago something like that. That's right. And in the season next Razi, they they finally the Lakers did finally fired their head coach that the outgoing president Magic Johnson wanted to fire. But wouldn't for some reason he just couldn't do it? I thought they wanted him to fire him, and he couldn't do it. He didn't wanna firing fan hickeys. He just didn't wanna make genie sat by eventually fired lukewarm. Okay. You go. Eventually they decide not to hire replacement for Magic Johnson as the president of basketball operations. And effectively just promoted the GM rob Pelinka who's been what in a front office role for two years. It hasn't been killing it. Hey, you take on more of a rule. And then finally they picked a coaching candidate in Tyler do, you know, got once title ties with the Lakers all that great relationship with Brown? And then they low balled him recording two reports with a contract offer and just lost him. He's like this is ridiculous. Your low balling me. I've won a title. I've been a coach what are you doing? You're trying to give me three years. Eighteen million just trying to tie me to Laurent. Then you then there are reports that you want you wanna pick my assistant coaches, you want Jason Kidd, apart of my sister coaches because you've interviewed him like, Tim. So he's gonna be behind me. This is what they've done in the span of again. Yeah. Like a little more than a month. You know, it's great because it gets us a chance to look at one of the coolest words around cronyism. Shoutout to cronyism exactly what's happening. If you worked for the Lakers or played for the Lakers at any point Jeanie Buss wants to hire you for some sort of job. And that's a problem. They gotta bring in somebody from outside. So anybody else who has never been affiliated with the Lakers at all. That's why they should pay Bob Myers or Jerry twenty million dollars to run your team. You look at it. You see what's a disaster. And what isn't because everything else has been a yes, man, we're doing this. And if it doesn't work out, we'll find another Laker legend. Nobody's gonna get mad. If we bring back a Laker lead. And that's the problem to me could he's back in town. So linda. Linda relationship with genie bus. It's been there forever. And apparently he was involved in these conversations to the point where it's like, let him go. Then apparently, I obviously we'd I know we went involved, but just trying to get everybody to take a different job and not want the Lakers job until. Oh, man. I guess I guess I'm the only guy. Yeah. I guess I will do I'll help you. How genie? I've talked to Linda we got nobody else on Colorado there. Yeah. I'll do it. They look David Griffin was out there as well. Available. And they they should have hide him. That's who they should have gotten. When even when magic was still there just, you know, get debited different because he's a respected figure, and he's not a former Lakers legend, and he might be the one who actually can get the lake is back on track yet because it looks even worse than it did at the end of last season already it looks. I mean, it just looks now. Like, they can't even get anything. Right, right. We're getting free agency coming up, you know, in theory, LeBron is trying to recruit recruit people to come and play with him. Did you mention that this apparently a protests that I didn't mention? Yeah. It's going to be a protest outside of the staple center because of all this. Men gotta be. That'd be hilarious to see. The protest is Tony up the sunglasses on you know, casually strolling up. Yeah. How to pay for the protests? Hopefully, very upset. Thing stock. They turn up late that weird sunglasses lease laughing. He loves it. He's a Knicks fan. Knicks fans, we're once get hold of protests. Maybe they did. And we got to class. Oh. Ramona Shelburne tweeted, by the way of rob Pelinka never expected negotiations would fall apart. Because Lou didn't have other offers. Pelinka was an ancient going. You should be pretty good at negotiations. And he's apparently not he's not good at all. Like like, this is bad. Like, what is LeBron thinking of all this in all honesty? It is nuts that Magic Johnson walked away. And you'd think that should be their opportunity to stop the cronyism to stop the nepotism just to stop stop it. Stop hiring people that are Lakers for life like Rambus, you know, Luke, Walton finally left. He was Phil Jackson's protege in needs to be cut off at some point needs to be a business and not a family business. And that's what happened. I think with the Lou negotiation is maybe an outlier because that's just a dumb negotiations is insane. You don't three years eighteen million. I don't care what you think of coach Lou like and his success or whether it's Xs and os. What seems like you just want another does that you think you want him. I think he was hanging out for two more years. Everybody gets five years got five years. Yeah. Like with a player option or coaching or the team option negotiation. I think you could probably found the the the ground at four and he's also paid by the Cavs as to be worth his while. Right. Like to some extent like there has to be the years there. And also, he's like, you're you're just linking me to LeBrun. That's all you're doing here. And like shouldn't you put a little more faith me as your coach? Who knows what happens down the line? But so I started my question is wind can the rules change. So LeBron can just take ownership takeover ownership. No, say player coach. Yeah. Should happen. But the ownership I mean, this is again, the lake is this should be the job that every coach out. There is desperate for to the point where they're like, you know, what I'll take three years and fifty million if you want to offer that to me, but it doesn't appear that that's the case it doesn't appear that even that many people sort of throwing the hand up saying, I'll do it. You know, what I mean like we had Monty Williams and Tyler do and Jason Kidd. And now reportedly Frank Vogel, Lionel Holland's and Mike Woodson would like a shot, and like an interview they just turned on NBA TV available bring him in. And maybe they go back to Jason. I can't tell you. I'm going to be interviewing Stu Jackson. It's it is. Why did they do this? Why do they do like the family friends discount here? Like bring them in. Is that like is it sort of a shield because like, yeah. Yeah. Comfortable literally. Yeah. I want people around me like everyone saying L franchises chaos. Tell me. It's not. It's not. Okay. Thanks. Good days. What's what's changed since the good? Yeah. I mean, we're still the Lakers. Yeah. James would never do that. Right. You leave James? My good for. Yeah. Which franchises more poorly? Run the Knicks or the Lakers. I mean, the Knicks for a long time with the leaders that like is charging them down. Yeah. I've had a good couple years to catch up here. Lease one week away from coming into the office and like playing us at JD and the straight shot. Thank me too. The summer people five moments from JD and the straight shot. You're saying something like. We so hard. I'm jay. Sky's vulnerable. He's showing his heart out there. If we get I on man watch out. Oh, boy, all you're sending Patrick Ewing. The draft lighter legend winner a notable. What? Yes. Five. Look if it wasn't for Michael, Jordan. We would've won five championships in the non. Wow. Yeah. I love I love this. Great great timing to give me good timing. Yeah. You'll be cheer for kyri next year for your excited about that already to anyway, I can't wait till the pickup Rondo. Sports. Worst free throw shooting team in the league. Who else who else are we going to pick up? At least favorite players Rondo for. Sure. Most don't you like. No one. You'll have sawn Whiteside fan. Nah. I mean, I don't really have any. Intense passion of hatred for anybody. Really, look, you should see a couple more Spike Lee movies, though. So when you're sitting courtside next to have something to talk about nine. Spike, Lee l has. This is going to be funny because lease become a Knicks fan. And then they are going to get Kyrie and Durant. Fifty five six. Nate porzingas man, next one next one. He was holding. Hold you guys down. Hey, boys, the met gala happened this week. And the theme was camp. Unfortunately camp didn't mean everyone was going to be wearing a tent heart. It got me thinking in twenty twenty if the theme is basketball, and you were all invited to the gala. What would be your outfits keep in mind? It is the met gala your outfit. Can't just be a raptors Carlos Arroyo jersey overtop a forty dollar white linen short sleeve. Ak thread shirt, you white your outfit to get people talking. For example. I'm thinking Westbrook would arrive wearing a suit made out of various basketball nets. And maybe it's sort of like see-through and stuff like that. One question timely question from Graham Baker excuse me. Graeme Barker in Toronto, Ontario. What do you guys wear into the gallon theme is basket was the thing? Lady Gaga turned up to that time. And she was like in luck in Hake. I don't know for sure that may have been just an award show. Everything's the met gala what she did this one. Yeah. Like four outfit changes on the red carpet. That's right. Yeah. I sold them all on the Graham. Yeah. I was quite once I was like. I was like what what's she at different places at different same night. Yeah. So I would tend up anyway in a gigantic basketball kit, and then you know, as you come out. I'm wondering like a fool boss bull suit. Just like basketball's. You're like, Mark. Yeah. Book and Mindy. Mark johnson. Six man. That was more keystones. Arriving like, hey. It was hatchet. That's timely born from happy doesn't it? Yes. Spinoff crazy saying so loud, isn't that? How he sort of showed up an alien. Aged backwards to had a baby on the show, and it was an old, man. Played by Jonathan. Wow. I didn't hear that. He was later in Jack a movie about a boy aging rapidly rapidly. But looking like a boy was that a man sure he was Robin Williams. He was like playing. Yeah. I like eighty. Right. Okay. So you're riding a basketball Mork. Boston, suits, all boss. Your bathroom. That Mavs mascot. Perfect. You wearing tonight Spalding. Okay. What do you guys arriving in basketball is your team remind similar in that? I would just have that basketball mask. Everybody wears with the holes cut out. So it's basketball. But it's got is the highs cut out for your for your eyeballs and then orange pom poms on my nipples and smaller smaller ones on my private areas. All are one splur-. How many doger's he got well for the readers? I'm not showing my news. News. Somewhere in Koby's all white outfit from that. Urban pilgrim. Maybe I'll do some costume changes to. So I can get that shell one he had around his face. He looked like the cover of time magazine, or whatever it was. I don't know. I think pull that off all white just make sure I don't have the Joel embiid's. Last time. I wore all white around you guys. It was is that. That I thought somebody would go with the Timofey MAs Goff, all plaid billion shirts. Draped on you guys. Did that photo shoot one time? Maybe I'll go with that. Good question Graham, final one Stephanie wants to know. Hey, starters for west coast games that you decide to watch the next morning cough, cough, Li do you prefer to know the outcome of the game in advance or just going completely blind with the quadruple overtime game? And the Katie achilles scare game. I mentioned those would alter how you watch the game the next morning if you saw the news beforehand. Also, do you watch the full game in its entirety or the short version that's from real craft quest. Break it down, man. What are you doing in the next? Do you wake up? Check your phone and go blazers one. Let's check this out. Yes. Okay. I would like to say that you know, what I go in clean and know the answer, but I need to know the answer because if you say it's like a blow at so you don't really need to go to deep into that game. But if it's a game like this, quadruple overtime. Oh, man. Okay. Where do I pick it up from? 'cause I'm not watching the whole game four overtimes. So you might watch might watch the recap nine ten minute recap. And then I need to see what happens on the pots. They edit out. You know, you need to see them shots. All the the fails things like that. So that's the worry with short. Yes. You're only seeing buckets that you only you only know, and sometimes what just leads up to a place. So I tend to be more like that. I'll see what the what the tweets as well about a key moment. So you have to go and check that out. But you don't care if you know, the score not find it liberating, sometimes something there's something fun oddly. I know where does the sounds knowing the score. And then watching the game and seeing like how it on? How how are we going to get to that point of this game? Lobby watching. I'm like, you know, I'm just gonna double check that that actually did happen because it looks like, hey, this is crazy. Like, what was what was recently those big comeback? Clippers thirty. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. That's. Sort of like what they come back from the full. Yeah. So have you been going? Have you been doing the second game generally in the morning? Yeah. I mean, I usually do the first quarter or half the light, depending just depending on if it's ten thirty tip off. First quarter, only, but the nine thirty's tens. Yeah. I'll get the first half trae. I know you've been putting in work. Early. Once I'm dying gotten crack here during the play on no doubt crankier sicker. Right playoffs. Baby. The minutes. I'll play forty eight string ninety six straight Lal sleep during the third quarter watermelon back for the fourth. Yeah. Invite me over for late watermelon. Wait snacks, pretty key. For for those nights. We've got some Mingo rolling agree with this. Keep that mango. You claimed you eleven FOX hunting. I've been crushing hunting boxes throughout the playoffs. I mean, I'm also eating it for sometimes breakfast. Yeah. I'm eating so many bowls of hunting family saw. No regular sized boxes. Crazy. It's not. Yeah. You might be thinking the giant giant boxes? No regular box. We've been added for what a month. Levin. I might be having more than family. That's a great question. Yeah. We sometimes get groceries delivered nor does it. So I guess tell her up in the morning like hell. Happy wakes up in the morning. That's right. Someone cherry then the next morning. She wakes up. Cheers only one purchase for late night. Bucks. Every night wasn't safe doesn't he'll do it. Feels like I'm taking on a box every couple of games 'cause it's my go-to. Are using interesting heal. Yes. Milk. So. The last man standing. I mean, the whole milk is office getting right to the soy though. I've turned a corner, nor has got a lot of it. The soy you can tolerate the whole goal. I can tolerate like nobody's business. Soy nelson. Never had a broken booed. He's actually all bone. Yuli opposite. Flip. Charlie host, Charlie for so bad in high school basketball ones that my body just started sending a bunch of calcium to that area. And it calcified in my leg. It was crazy. This is apparently a thing that can happen. Too much milk. I guess you to dry. I could eat a dry, but. Going to mix it up get the apple cinnamon in there of. Yeah. Just another serial like together times like a vector finds its way down south of the border. Deliver from Kansas. I guess there's sort of a game seven. That Kellogg's billing. It's got strawberries in it. It's pretty similar to Victor to me a little bit that just a straight special caves okay with. Yes. It is that there's less than the vector at what are you doing with these late games? Stay Syria as ninety. He's going through maybe eleven boxes of HAMAs. Just eight a tub of HAMAs for lunch. I it was. I can you describe a big. When you say the word. I mean, take it back. It was a not a tub. I mean, it was Tupperware filled with HAMAs means like VAT. Yeah, yeah. I'm not saying it was you could've made it. But there's a lot. Was bigger than than the HAMAs thing you buy in the store it was bigger than that like one. That's like the circumference of a softball or something. Yeah. There. Anyways. It was a lot. I did what's that? This spoke comets buying commercial hub made. My wife. My wife did did make it. She actually she doesn't like it was a day old isn't she said don't take that it's old. And I said you kid hangs out for. Six seven days. You're getting a preserved storm Ruksana makes it it's spectacular got seven days later. I'm saying I'm saying, it's. Then we know exactly what's happening in the office. I'm saying that if I see it six or seven days old, there's not much left. I'm well. I'm not just going to throw that straight in the dishwasher can scrape akara to in there and get the leftovers. Yeah. I'm just saying it's not like it being, you know, untouched after seven days. We. Hosted your way of making. You're letting it sit for a whole week. Thanks. Get through it. It's still good. It grows farts at every every ten minutes. It sits throws additional. Stinky. Exactly what it is. It's quite stinky. You did not feel good. More so more. So just in a physical sense like nothing happens. But it's just a lot of home. It was a lot whatever you're thinking in your head as you're listening to this truce. Eighty two those containers. Yes, that's a lot. That is deep. Disappear things, you know, getting in there. It wasn't very hungry for dinner. Great. All right. We're talking late nights next. I gotta ask you a question. I've been making a lot of post midnight smoothies is that rude to bus that of under athlete. A little bit loud. Maybe Mario Nicole here. Next door better. It's Laura's fine. And I guess she's asleep for sure she doesn't that doesn't wake her up. That's what I'm saying. I guess not. It's a beautiful white noise. Sound? No way. Stott stops pulsing heart. Such pulses. Vitamix? We I think we have kitchen aid of some sort. Honestly is trash. I don't like our blender Vitamix invest what the people say. I didn't I didn't really believe in it either that I just didn't care to get one. I just didn't know the power of it until I the three hundred and fifty dollar machine. But I I gotta tell you this sodastream it's off the kitchen. Oh, yeah. Good. What am I severe? It's in the cabinet Vitamix is stayed loud. And proud. All right. All right. Really three or four years. Right. It's a game changer. You got an air fryer. No, I don't. But that's sort of get into the game. The next thing. I might buy somehow sat out the insta- pot though. Yeah. You made a good decision. I think with you did personally that's supposed. I don't really know. I can't his alone. For one man too much. Sue. More. Yes. Yeah. That's probably true. Do you? Eat a lot of rice I zero. Yeah. Yeah. It's good for that. You should. Curious. That's probably a quick little little complete here. Mattio? Resolve this conflict without anger. Two quick ones here. And there are actually basketball related number one. If you have a viral video where you're removing a bunch of Jersey's not interested. I think that that. Wade one go ahead on how many jerseys I've made it through three. Wow. So what happens? It was their big turn at the end. The turn was well, he's got the bully center of Tutsi wrote the Cavs jerseys. Turn he had the he had twenty five thirty wagers. That's all it is. He should be embarrassed. I thought it was pretty impressive. He put them all on. Yes. That's the I agree. Thought a little I don't know if you're such a weight fan, aren't you stretching those jerseys like the ones on the elder because you're all you're obviously buying the same size jersey. Yeah. Yeah. But maybe that's fine. Twenty wagers think the elder core three or four we're getting stretch. Like crazy, who do you respect more the guy that buys the comic and puts it in a plastic sleeve and never reads it or the guy that's sitting there going. Oh. That's what happens. That's why. They call him the amazing spider. Do I respect the guy that buys the shoes box guys advisors shoes and wear them? Definitely the guy that wears them. But I don't like the guy. That's just like ripping up his shoes for no reason or where you Mulford air evasion. Like, I hate it. Okay. I hate it. Similarly, the burner jersey trope and now even worse the I'm pretending to. But then it's a hater. He barbecue lighter. Cards and say, thank you. Adult men who came to my city for three years. No second thing. We gotta stop an answers have to stop saying. We're players went to college when they score. It drives me up the wall. Kyle Lowry the Villanova wildcat. You're see. Let me check my notes here. Was thirteen years ago. He was Villanova wildcat thirteen years ago. It's completely relevant. If you want to say that Ben Simmons went to LSU because it was somewhat. But even then like literally who cares? He was there for one year and they didn't make the tournament. And he seemingly hated it. Let's drop in basketball facts. Lebron didn't go to college. And no one ever says when he scores. No one ever says, the Saint Vincent Saint Mary product, very very rarely, right? It would be make more sense. If one Kyle Lowry scored someone said, the former grizzly. More relevant, and that was how long ago was that man. These guys these play by play guys they got notes man today. Just gotta throw it in there. How the grill? Ten years ago. And that's more interesting to me to know that. Anyways. I agree. It's just a verbal tic to to waste. On happens in basketball. I feel like to you never see in like, you know, Tom Brady drops back Tom Brady Michigan product. But you do see the when they do the starting lineups. And yes, sure sure, that's Ohio State University, doesn't it stemmed? From Americans identifying with colleges, though, a little bit more than just of verbal tic. Yeah, it does. And I'm saying, it's it's. Why is it relevant? That calorie went to Villanova thirteen years ago to anything. That's currently. Well, you could argue is. Well, you could argue maybe is okay. I'm just fine. But there's so many tidbit like I'd almost rather hear them go like. Calorie the unusually large baby with three. It was a ten pound baby. Yeah. Interesting. It'd be learning facts. Okay. Kyle our flare. Fair basketball seemed complaints this week from the agree or disagree. Let them know on Twitter. Don't. From temple university went to give gives a little. GPA yell at me, then say what university? Okay. All right. Let's fire the pun gun. Judy. Podcast guys. We all listen to them. We all love them. We practically invented them. Wow. Kevin fairest from Twitter wants to hear some NBA podcast ads. Manute Bol and brench. Holy moly. Why don't you guys? Get yourself. Some underwear from me Grundy's dot com. Casper ware mattress this. Thank you. It's another. What's another? For about. Oh, you Sieff Birch box. Good one seat Greek freak. Sims dot com. Buhler? For SIMS your balls. Well, thank you. Ziprecruiter mcgruder, Rodney Rodney's mcgrigor. What's another good? Hiring thing. How about? Vander? Blue apron dot com. Sherry Jon Barry's. Yeah. Four bites. I heard for Dunkin those Sheri's berries. I bet he's gotta go six. If you're guessing mouse is I just guessing swing in the here variety of just makes my mouth water right now. Some speaking about it strawberries dipped in chocolate what more could you want? Go get it lock it up and seal it with a kiss off the glass. Zanny the bull Xeni one. It's like glasses while and they are the Chicago Bulls jersey sponsors. That's a perfect. Oh, yeah. What else nor men scape? Yeah. Erling breyer. Lonzo ball. Is anyone listening to Conan O'Brien's podcast? We're all part of the Warner media family. He's a podcast isn't. But go on. It's not no. But I think Cher you think do that very much interesting while they're using the Warner studios. Anyways, he is the goat of ad reads. There's been many good people that have come along and change the game. But Conan O'Brien is the podcast at rates just need to get that out. Good. Lilly. You're the go to the tweets. Tweet tweet. Mac dot com. Nah. Sure. Just skip it. Yeah. What are you going? Real Steve would and Mel night twenty two. Dr Richard Bailey said gee, one the piecemeal is job at ninety nine Milan. 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Pull pieces being getting lit up by everyone for his statement after game one of the second round when he said that he didn't know where the box would go from there. Well, of course, they came back and wanted so everyone's been piling in from the Milwaukee Bucks. Who basically just tweeted at, you know, should we keep playing off to the Celtics said, I don't see anybody beating that wasn't really poll piece, but you know. But then anyway, the Milwaukee pretzel company had a little dig full piece. I said, hey, Paul piece, we not salty bad last night. But it's never too late to start enjoying a walkie pretzel with you'll be in fact, we'll buy you your first round when you're in Milwaukee to watch the bucks in the NBA playoffs. Hashtag NBA SPN NBA and at Michelle Beedle. Well. Magic johnson. So you know, what does it only two tweets Tassie that new sounds like people are holding people accountable for guarantees. I'm not a form not a hall of fame basketball player. So I'm good. It's going to be a problem from that. The walkie pretzel company to I guess they're gonna to get to the finals where Paul Pierce would. Then maybe because he won't be there for the unless you're gonna fly out say they want him to the soft pretzel. We're talking. Probably. Salty. Didn't need that much. So. Christa spread otherwise, it'd be bread though. But I made it Brad. The same. Maybe take a little bit of the salt and see how they do that. Reinvest. I'm just saying why not try something that tweet. So you could try these pretzels like they're going to reach out to you. And you're gonna get flagged up there. What you're doing? Able to sample some pretzels, and we can talk about this odium content. Okay. We're almost done here. But before we go, some rapid fire fun. Bob. Koiwa seen getting off the plane in Philly wearing a t shirt that said fun guy. Let me explain this. You the reason that's funny is that most people consider to be quiet and reserved fellow making his tee-shirt slogan. Contrast to assume personality guys, what's good t shirt slogan for you to wear that would surprise people on the front. It would say in case you're wondering on the backyard's. Yes. Okay. Dot com. Really? I wouldn't say that this is not an AK threats, clothing dot com. In fact, it is a Mr. Koya. In case. Tessie who stank? They would say oh you like the band Hooper snack. And I say who comes from the Latin hoop, which means I like my stack. Why they named their band? Definitely does not mean I like my. Oh, man. Learn. It would be simple. Like who is it would just simply say that guy. Next next one Klay Thompson left the screening of eventers endgame in our early claiming that the plot didn't interest him or maybe he just really had to p guys. What's the last movie you walked out of? Well, it was solo. But it wasn't really me was my six year old of the time. Who's just like an hour. And he was like I've had enough that let's go. I said, I can't wait. We don't. I like a good deal. So I'm not not wasting my fifteen bucks that I pay leaving halfway through. I'm not I never have never will. You can ask for fun. I would never do that. Well. How much of a movie can you can you watch the whole movie and then? Whole movie. But my dad has definitely done that before. Yeah, why not halfway through is? I'm not feeling this. I want my money back the decision to go to the movie. That's order a dish at arrest. You take decisions wrong. Like, you could send it back probably in most places. But if you eat the whole thing. Game. And the game teams getting killed Yukon Ostra. Doesn't care that much because they're making their money on popcorn you go in you buy some popcorn refund. There'd be like, no problem, sir. Well, I don't like this pop Lawrence, sir. You know, here's some more to eat the whole thing. See only movie I've ever walked out of the only movie in the theater was bringing out the dead, which was a nineteen ninety nine flick nNcholas cage playing EMS paramedic in New York. Martin Scorsese cage. Classic com. It's I just I I'm sure it was my mood. I don't remember exactly how I was feeling what I was coming from or going to after the movie, but I hated it. I remember it was being it was so boring. It follows him over like a few days and nights him as this paramedic. And it's crazy and Scorsese shot. I guess some people think cool, but I just walked out. We were like, this is horrible. Let's just leave. I don't wanna sit here any longer. But I looked it up just curious like what do people think of this movie? So I looked up last night. But do you think the score was on rotten tomatoes for bringing out the dead in the nineteen ninety nine Scorsese and cage flick forty one seventy to sixty nine very close. Some of you seventy one percent. Rotten tomatoes seventy percent audience score. Yeah. It's fresh. Having. A relevant soundtrack at the time. Maybe van Morrison on it just remember so damn bar managed to give it another go. This other movie older now, you're right? Nineteen shouldn't have this new stuff that's been its final rapid fire question. The NBA draft lottery is Tuesday and the team representatives have been announced. Sorry. But none of you got the invite. If you did the what like lucky item, would you bring with you to secure the number one pick leave my lucky on these. My lucky boxer shorts. Want them on my wedding day? All the time we decided we're going to stop trying for a baby on the mother times. And it's always Brookwood luck. Did they have a a flap in the front, and you gotta go over the? Yeah. I tend to go over the gate anyway. But. So were you wearing them when you conceive? League up. Okay. That's removed. Now, let's go. Tell you man, they work. No, I don't wanna get someone Craig. And what do they look like the hockey ones? The hooky boxes we had them up in the vertical one day four on the look like hooky hockey for. Win. They became the luck. Yeah. Four on them. That's when I got them in full. Very special. Hookah stink. Pubis? Dancy? I would bring in on opened fortune cookie because I associate you know, that that anticipation before you opened a fortune cookie. It's always disappointment afterwards. But they associated with good luck. So I have it. They're sitting there in the plastic, and I would never open ski up until last night Thursday night game six Sixers rafters. I would've worn my call our jersey and what stood at the day for the entire draft lottery. They would have been like, sir. Sit down you have to sit down for the show. But I would have stood the entire time sort of just rocking piecing with anticipation of the raptors winning the number one overall, pick jersey. But now, I don't know doesn't work didn't go three for three it worked to previous games in that lower jersey standing two feet in front of TV but not in game six sat down for the fourth quarter. Like, I said, wow, this curious standing up or I would question. Easy. That's rapid fire. That's hopefully, another classic condition of the drop. I think it was. But you tell us hashtag the starters. Let us know your favorite stinks. Wait. No. Three. Who was thanks not changing the name one. The reason. Like something about taking the wheel drive. Is that them breaking the wheel? I don't know. No, that's incubus main incubus. Yeah. Who stuck who stuck bigtime faking? Well, again, tell us your favorite hoops stinks on let us know if it was a classic. If you subscribe to the show on apple podcast, leave us that five star rating, leave us that review really helps us out in terms of rankings Tele friend, of course, both the show as well. Join us tonight Friday night on TV at six thirty PM eastern. We'll be talking about de Sixers wraps. We'll be talking about the nuggets blazers both of those series going to game seven, you know, you're gonna hear some Zaza on tonight show. I'm sure we'll look ahead to the NBA weekend all these game sevens. And of course, the game six between the rockets and warriors tonight top ten plays of the week. It's going to be a good one guys Friday night show. Guys lucky underwear on. Oh, not to not go home. Anyway, during the day, just grab it changing the who though for the people for the audience, and it's a big one. What do you mean for who? Like what you just with? What do we need to good luck? Because we might have the greatest show we never have. And we could finally win sports at me, and you can get everyone that's watching pregnant might be to to wedgies tonight on wedgie too. Happy wedgie. Educate everyone. Yeah. May tenth day. That's the two years ago. 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The Eastburn Family Murders

"True. Crime brewery contains disturbing content related to real light crimes. Medical information is opinion based on facts of a crime and should not be interpreted as medical advice or treatment. Listener discretion is advised. Welcome to crime burry hadn't Jill, and I'm dick Janet Eastbourne was the sole survivor. Just twenty two months old when her mother, Catherine Eastbourne and her siblings five year old CARA and three year old Aaron where stabbed to death on may ninth. Nineteen eighty five in their Fayette Ville, North Carolina home Janna had been abandoned in her crib for three days before police responded to the concerns of neighbors, and they entered the home she was dehydrated and crying hysterically with their arms outstretched alone. Within the carnage of the brutal. Triple murders of her mother and sisters, Janice. Father air force, captain, Gary Eastbourne was away doing training in Alabama. When his wife and daughters were killed Catherine had placed an ad to rehome their dog because the family was planning to relocate to England. The man who came to the house took the dog sergeant Tim henna. Us and he became the primary suspect this case, including I witness testimony, physical evidence and three trials captured the attention of people across the country and continues to garner speculation. Join us at the quiet end today for our discussion of this very complicated. And fascinating case, the Eastbourne family murders. We have a nice North Carolina beer, I like the names called follow your heart southward, and it's brewed by Caserta Cerveceria in fountain, North Carolina. This is a big old imperial stout aged in bourbon barrels of some vanilla beans added one of my favorites. Okay. In all its incarnations. This particular one is black with a nice ten head a little bit of lacy Roman taste are just absolutely phenomenal. Chocolate little vanilla some classy, some bourbon all working really well, together, lovely beer. Well, you don't say that very often. It's a nice rich, creamy, excellent beer. Let's open it up. Try it. I can't wait. Join the denizens at the quiet and Cher. Couple of them are waiting over there interested in this case. So let's get started yet. Okay. So Catherine furnish her maiden name was twenty years old and engaged to her college boyfriend, and she had to be talked into going to the singles club softball game and Westwood Panthers. And that's where she met. Her future husband, Gary Eastbourne, Gary was twenty five years old. He never passed up a chance to play softball, but he'd never been to a single clip either and a friend had talked him into it. He was immediately attracted to Katie who is wearing cutoff jeans and she joined him for post beer, then she let him drive her home a week later. They met at another softball game later that night. Gary leaned over to kiss, Katie good night. And she stopped him and told him shoes kind of engaged to a guy. Nobody wants to hear that. That's for sure is that a turn off or what? It's pens. It might motivate you to try harder. Well for Gary as he was driving home. He decided not to give up on her. So he dropped by katie's parents house after work on Fridays took run drives through the countryside. On sundays. Our parents wondered if I which she saw him, particularly since us kind of engaged. But Gary when the mover. Yeah. Well, I think part of it was that he just had this job as a shoe salesman and hadn't gone to college. He wasn't the type of person that the furnishes wanted for their daughter. Now, he didn't seem like he was upward Lee mobile. Yeah. But he certainly did become that way in the furnishes to have a nice family life. I think they inspired him. Gary wanted to be a part of that family. Katie's father Jean made a good living as livestock broker and her mother Jane was a stay at home. Mum, the family ate together and went to church Katie was the oldest four kids and her best friend was who sister Susie, katie's classmates and teachers remembered her as a shy smart girl who got along with everyone and she never got into trouble. She didn't drink or smoke and her first date was going to the prom. And she just went with a boy who worked with her at the local. Dime store. So it wasn't a romantic thing. Although he might have wanted it to be. She was very cute now, Katie graduated in nineteen seventy one and she went to Kansas state, which was one hundred miles from her home, if it'd been up to her she'd have stayed home and taken college classes, they're like most of her classmates were, but that's not what our family wanted. They want her to go away to college. They wanted Katie to be successful. So her family was very kind to Gary and Gary felt very at home with them. His parents had actually split up when he was twelve and that forced his mom who was a cashier to work, very long hours just to pay the bills, and Gary never did get along with the stepfather. So his trial hood was fine up until then but growing up in his home was really nothing like the furnish home to him. It was ideal in one day. Katie's fiance. Remember, she still kind of engaged to the sky. Recalls. Gary sitting with her on the living room couch in her house, Katie excused herself and came back. A couple of minutes later, she said to Gary he gave me an ultimatum. It was either you or him. So I hung up the phone guess, we know the answer to that. When Gary told this story, he was just thrilled. It seemed like a pretty cool story. Yeah. So they were married less than a year later and Gary enrolled at the university of Missouri just a few weeks after that Katy worked as a dietitian to help put him through school and she got pregnant and had Keira. Their first daughter on may twenty first nineteen seventy nine just one week after Gary graduated from college Gary had decided to join the military after he learned that there was more money in air traffic controlling than in pharmaceutical sales, which was the path that is major at Missouri was taking him in. But the military move them around off. Even as they do. After CARA was born Gary was stationed in Goldsboro, North Carolina. Then Wichita falls Aaron was born in Texas. Katie cried wing Gary was transferred back to eastern North Carolina. But actually Fort Bragg wasn't as bad as they'd heard. They kinda grew to like there and Gary became chief of air traffic control at pope air force base. Janna the baby was born on July fifteenth nineteen eighty three and in December nineteen eighty four. That's when they rented the house at three sixty seven's Summerhill, and this was a upper middle-class subdivision that was nearby the base on the base now. So to me that automatically makes it a little more desirable. Yeah. Base housing isn't the greatest I've never been to it. But it is a rental which is important in this case because there might be stuff from other people around there that used to live there hairs fingerprints. You don't think so? Well, I'm little unsure how to take. Yeah. There is I think there's more turnover of people living there, but the could've bought a house in unless it was a new house that nobody ever lived in. You're always gonna find evidence of previous residents of the house share. But I think when you buy a house, you're tend to stay there longer than when you rent so there's more turnover. I still don't quite know what you're trying to get. I'm saying there could be more fingerprints and hair because it was a rental, and there were more people there, but they were starting to make some money and Gary wanted to fulfill katie's lifelong dream of buying a farm and raising a horse with their kids going to the three month class in Alabama would help them make that dream a reality. Now, neither Katie nor Gary liked being separated, but they had plans, and they knew this was just a temporary situation. You're in here actually thought about taking the family with him. But that would have meant sublet trying to sublet their house in North Carolina. Anna renting a place in Alabama, and they would have had to pull the oldest kid out of school in school in Alabama. So they decided eventually that the three month period would be tolerable to be separated. And Katie in the family would stay in North Carolina. Right. And that's kind of a sacrifice you make. When you're in the service. Sure is Sunday may twelve nineteen eighty-five mother's day as it turned out the Eastbourne's next door neighbor. Army sergeant Bob C felt arrived home after bailing out. One of his soldiers scoot had a little too much to drink the previous night when he returned home. He was greeted by his concerned wife who had noticed the newspapers piled up on the east burns porch. The family car was still in the driveway and the baby stroller was parked in its usual place by the back door, and then the more I thought about it. He realized he hadn't seen Eastbourne's in at least three days Haiti. Sided to check on Katie. And her kids he aware the Gary was away at training out of state when he reached the front door. He could hear the cries of the baby Janna, but his Knox and doorbell rings went unanswered. So I went back home any called the Eastbourne's babysitter. Julie Searcy AC who rushed right over. Bob was waiting outside the Eastbourne home when she arrived and Julie peeked into a window and saw the baby standing alone in her. Crib. Filthy upset with their arms stretched out for somebody to pick her up. So Julie began to look for a way to get into the house, but Bob convinced her that she should wait for the police to get there. It's pro your good move. But I could see your instinct would be to get that baby. Sure. Yeah. But at least someone's thinking, you know, something bad might happen, and it could be a crime scene. So let's let the cops arrive. Sure. So officer William Thomann was the first police off. Officer to arrive. He checked the doors and windows, he found no sign of forced entry. He did. Find a no jammed in inside the storm door. Mrs Eastbourne get in touch with your husband by phone signed deputy price, Thomann rang the doorbell no baby cried and see felt was wondering feud overreacted. And we're starting to get some neighbors gathering in the street out front because there's some excitement going on at one of these houses, he had the police are there police are there, and then Thomann sergeant drove up and he was talking to men on the front porch. So what do you think we should do the sergeant nest Thomann wasn't sure? But then he heard the baby crying. He leaned over the porch railing pressed his face to the bedroom window cupped his hands to help him. See inside a little Janet Eastbourne was standing in her crib. And Tolman said I've got no choice. I've got to go in. So he stepped over the railing cut open a screen and opened a window. And then he was hit with a horrible smell of death. Now, we've talked about that before if you've experienced it. You know, how horrible it is. And you know, that there's no confusing it with anything else for sure so Janice pajamas with little blue and yellow flowers, just stink. And she was very pale her eyes. Puffy from crying a pile of stuffed animals and toys had been put in her crib. As if someone wanted her to be entertained. They knew she was going to be alone. Janna rep both arms around tomes neck immediately, digging her fingers into his skin, and he passed her out the window to Bob sif L along with some pampers that he found next to the crib now he was prepared to find at least one dead body in this house. So he drew his gun open the door and headed toward the master bedroom. Body of three rolled Aaron Eastbourne was lying beside her. Parents bid wearing a white nightgown with lavender, bows and a pillow is leaning against her face the nightstand. Beside the bed was knocked over onto its side, a knife, nearly severed errands hit Thome walked around the bed, and he looked over and saw Katie Eastbourne who is nude stabbed in dead. With a pillow covering her face. Yeah. When he lifted the pillow he saw that katie's throat had also been slashed. She also had several stab wounds. So Tillman backed out of the room and went back into Janez bedroom leaned out the window. He had a handkerchief over his face. The smell was so bad. And he told them to call an ambulance. But by this time that smell of death had expanded to outside the window. So Bob sif elt had a pretty good idea. Something horrible happened gone. From Seafield also recognize Jan is pajamas were the ones she'd been wearing what his so the kids are the family Thursday night three days before. So he realized Katie was probably did. 'cause that's the only thing that would keep her from caring for her baby. Yeah. Or kidnapped but he has the smell there. So that gives him an indication that she was probably killed Thomann. Meanwhile, continued to walk through the house he walked through the living. Room where he saw Katie sneakers still tied in the middle of the floor. Her blouse was crumpled up on the floor and a basket of folded clothes had spilled onto the floor. So there had been a struggle. But it didn't seem like there was a big struggle because the furniture was all still in place. And there were even some of the kids toys on the floor that looked like they hadn't been disturbed William Huggins. The chief paramedic duty pulled up in an ambulance in Eastbourne driveway, Thome and met him by the side door and told him he would have to go into confirm the deaths. So Huggins follow Thomann inside the house to the back bedroom where he saw the body of Aaron Eastbourne it was his job to officially pronounce her dead. Aaron had been pulled off of her parents bed parents and onto her back and her knees were left up in the air. So she appeared to be in some kind of sick sexual position. Now, this is a three year old, right? So that's very sick. Now, she clearly been there. For a long time, and he lifted her cold, arm and check for pulse. Then he had to really kind of search to find a place between her chest wounds for his stethoscope to listen for a heartbeat. Corsi didn't hear anything and he had to repeat the same thing with Katie pronouncing them both dead. So he got out of the house pretty much gagging. But Bob seatbelt said there's three children and the mother, but I've only seen two so Thomann ran back inside the house and returned two seconds later saying that he found another one so Huggins had to go back inside. And this time he had to go to the bedroom across from Janice. This was where carrot Eastbourne was found. He had to walk around a plastic buggy full of toys and toy piano to her bed which was against the far wall under a Star Wars. Bedspread Keira was dead, and she also had her throat cut the crime scene technicians arrived, and they got on their hands and knees and picked over the entire. Firehouse. They worked for four hours working around the bodies. The photographer took pictures of the girls from several angles than of Katie they had to move their bodies and look underneath them. Now disturbing five-year-old care. They said was just horrible the killer had placed some white quilt batting on her chest and Keira had been stabbed to the point where her organs were breaking through her skin. But when they moved Aaron it was just horrific because when they lifted her her head slumped over and nearly fell off that's how badly her naked been cut nearly to the point of decapitation pretty grisly scene. It's very grisly. And I won't go into it any more than that. I think that gives you an idea of what a brutal murder scene. This was through three murders done with road slashings stabbings, but house had surprisingly little blood simplist stains under the bodies. But there's almost no blood. Spattered onto the walls. The police continued their tour of the scene and found evidence in odd places who's a tie back from living room curtain found in Caras room and peace of white rope was found in the middle of the street. The police put pieces of evidence into bags. They vacuumed the house and collected the bags from the master bedroom. They took a sheet and bedspread with bloody ribbed impressions at first glance looked as somebody's quarter repents brushed against the fingerprint examiner came and found prints on doorframes that were almost seven feet up from the floor upon print next to a bloody smear was found just above the living room doorway, the state bureau of investigation sent its lab experts to the house, and they used Luminol on it that evening Limonov showed them why the house hadn't been covered in blood splatter the killer had actually taken some time to do some cleanup now. Luminol reactions suggested that the killer had wiped down a bathroom sink, doorknobs, light switches and some parts of the wall a towel and a wash plus with blood on them had been left near the master bedroom. The Lumina also showed a path of bloody left footprints leading to the master bedroom. And there were more Luminol footprints on the front porch and leading from the carport to the driveway. The killer had left behind a rubber gloves tip in a doorway between the living room in the hallway. And they knew that this tip had not come from a dishwashing glove or one of the technicians gloves. It matched nothing in the house. And there was no reason for it to be there unless someone had left it there on purpose to send a message. And this is where we get into just briefly how it has been compared to the Jeffrey MacDonald murders. And there have been some conspiracy theories about that. I guess you could call them. Surly parallels. Some this was we're off a million with McDonald case where his wife pregnant wife and two children were killed just a small distance away from the Eastbourne family. Yes. And they were both happens Jeffrey, and Gary, right, right? But it happened fifteen years earlier, but anyone who knew that case or read fatal vision, the the book that Joe McGuiness wrote about McDonald knew that army investigators have found the finger of surgeons glove and the McDonald's bedroom staying with Colette McDonald's bled. Well, yeah. That glove peace had been used to write the word pig on the headboard of the bed just above where co let had been stabbed in club today. So it is strange that they found that there. It is. Isn't it? Nary a lot of things about this case. I cannot explain I know. Yeah. Either. But it it's an interesting parallel. It is. And there was I think we'll talk about a little bit further down the road. But the some attempt to link the two, yes. Yeah. And I don't agree with it. No. I can disregard it after looking at over the. But I definitely do think it's very odd. So police started their interviews with Julie Sereny who is the fifteen year old babysitter. She said we've been on the fields porch. Julie said that she had gotten weird 'cause most everytime she babysat for the Eastbourne's and this was ever since Gary had led for officers school. That's when the causes started coming. Mrs Eastbourne had even warned her about them. She had she had remarked about them to a few people and Gary was aware of them. Right. 'cause she took care. I don't think they threatened any violence, but they did did have some sexual connotation. Fans. There was some talk that he was watching her and he was going to come over whoever. The caller was. So they were frightening. We were in the western she said for the the family was Tuesday five days before and someone had called and asked. How's the most gorgeous girl and Summerhill road little disconcerting? It is. So I guess in eighty five they were not able to trace calls like that unless they put a tracer on in advance, right? We've so. Yeah, that's what I think. Even if you'd left a message, you don't have any record or any way of finding out where it came from now. I mean, if my remembering eighties movies is correct. You had to get a a bug put on the phone before the call came in in order to try and trace it, and then they had to stay on the phone for a certain amount of time route. Yeah. So there was another message that Julia taken on Tuesday in this was somebody named Angela who was looking to buy the family dog Dixie now, the Eastbourne's apparently get messages on the bulletin board above the phone, but when police searched there were no messages to be found. And Julie said she couldn't remember them freaks me out. Julie says just like Dr McDonald his gets a little interesting to me. Yeah. They're eight Eastbourne's babysitter explained she had a friendship with Jeffrey McDonald who was an innocent, man. According to her. Julia was a member of. Jeffrey, MacDonald's international fan club. How does that more than I got the gloves tip? And then the babysitter was a big fan of McDonald? It is odd, but the more I think about it. I think if you lived in that area, and you're familiar with the case, you probably did have kinda fascination with it or think so. Then they would certainly be there pro or con it's tough to find somebody with neutral feelings, Donald absolutely right. But to me it goes above and beyond when we learned that she actually was in contact with him shake. She thought she had a friendship with him. And this friendship started when she was only in the eighth grade, and she chose to read fatal vision for a book report, not to me, that's an odd decision at that age to read that book your cities, but she read the whole book, which was nearly seven hundred pages and some parts she would reread over and over. So she seems almost obsessed. One of these women may be or girls that gets a crush on an inmate we've seen that happen. We're of clusky now. Jeffrey McDonald wasn't impressive guy before the murders. Princeton graduate green beret, doctor kind of an all American guy. And she believes there's no way he would have killed his wife and kids. Also, she didn't understand why they didn't arrest to Lena Stokely for this. And that's the drug addict informant who had made some confessions about being there the night of the murders. And I don't want to go into it too much. But her facination with McDonald didn't end when she completed that book report she wanted to know more about him in the case for years afterwards. She wanted to find out what he was really liked. So she wrote to him in prison and just a few days later, the first of more than a dozen letters from Jeffrey MacDonald arrived at her house. He said it was good to hear from her. He was trying to stay in shape and keep his mind active. He said, and he said his chances for a new trial were pretty good. He also said when I get out I have to come see you to eighth grade girl. Julie said she wanted to be McDonald's third daughter, and he agreed. If he ever had another daughter he would want her to be like, Julie. Kermit gagging. So that makes me think he's a real creep. No kidding. I wonder how many girls he was writing with? I bet there were a lot more than one. That's for. Sure. So Julia decided that the book fatal vision was just a bunch of lies, which is a fair opinion. That's okay. To have that opinion, in her opinion. Jeffrey McDonald was very caring sensitive person. And unless he was just totally freaked out. Somehow she claimed he couldn't have done the murders in a normal state of mind. Ten weeks before the Eastbourne murders MacDonald had actually called collect to wish Yulia happy fifteenth birthday. Now does your parents about that holy shit. I know if there's a convict calling my fifteen year old daughter, I would not be happy. No, no. I mean creepy. It is because this guy at that point was put twenty five thirty years older than her. Yeah. Yucky isn't to Smith's murky skin crawl. So as detectives were leaving the neighborhood twenty year old Patrick cone walked to the top of Summerhill road and waited because this guy knew he was going to tell police what he'd seen Thursday night or early Friday morning now he wasn't sure that he wanted to expose his private life to the police. He was a guy who stayed out late with friends and sometimes drink too much. This was a young African American guy. Like, I said he was only twenty but he knew right from wrong. And he knew somebody might remember seeing him on the street that night. So cone waved his arms as a sheriff deputy drove by and deputy Eddie Hollandsworth pulled over and cone said to him. I saw somebody leaving the house that night. He said he was walking home from his girlfriend's house about three thirty AM. He detailed his walk home that took him past the Eastbourne's home. As he was walking. He saw white chevette parked on the road. Then he saw white guy walking down the Eastbourne's driveway and he passed right by him. And he watched this man get into this white chevette and drive off Cohen said he could remember the man's face his hair, his moustache, he described with the man had been wearing a black members only type jacket a black toboggan hat, white shirt, jeans and tennis shoes. But he also remembered the guy was carrying a garbage bag over his shoulder. So this will be an important I witness as we get into this case is going to be very interesting witness. So let's go back and talk a little bit about Gary. How Gary got this news because this is a horrible thing that happened to him to of course, now we know he didn't like leaving his family behind. But he decided it was the right thing to do the air force had offered him this chance to go to squadron officer school. And if he wanted to get promoted he needed to do this. Well, sure, you're going to be moving on up in rank and stuff you're going to do these these are sacrifices you make right? Katy called Gary at eight AM every Saturday and she wrote to him during the week and this was their routine. The kids would take turns on the phone talking to Gary when she called. So he waited for her call by the hall phone in his dormitory on Saturday may eleven and he became impatient. And made the decision that one collect call home wouldn't break the family budget. So at quarter past eight he dialed his house. And there was no answer. He had to go on a run with his squad after that. But he returned to the phone around eleven fifteen AM. And there was still no answer. This is when he started to worry. So he called the Johnson who is a sergeant working for him at pope air force base in North Carolina. And he has him to take a look around the house. They'll call them back and said, there's nobody. The home. So then Dale called the sheriff's department for Gary SM to leave a message. So the sheriff's deputy Brenda price went to the house found no in home. She's the one who wrote the note that was left in the door, and she talked to the next door neighbor who is Robert C felt she asked him if he had seen anything unusual next door. He was kinda half asleep on a sofa. It said he hadn't seen anything. Then Gary received a call from detective the next day Sunday may twelve and all he was told was that there is a death in the family, and he needed to come home to Fe fill immediately chaplain spoke with the detective, and he told Gary that his youngest daughter Janna was alive while so Gary so ready figured out that that means that is other two daughters and his wife for dead, right? He was never really a suspect. Because he was a way. Of course. There was no sign that he had a motive to wanna kill his family or that. He would have hired anyone to do this. The timing of things. It was physically impossible for him to have gotten home done the killings and return to the base. Now, Obama did say one thing a little suspicious in the beginning as soon as he picked up the phone. He said how many of them are dead? But you know, he was a smart guy. He knew that when a detective called him, and no one's answering the phone that something bad happened there. I wouldn't figure it was terribly weird already knows us. The bids happened. He does in the seriously amiss at his house. Exactly. But it I it did seem a bit strange. That's all Gary's plane landed in North Carolina at about eleven thirty that night. He climbed into an air force transport car and immediately asked to see his surviving daughter. But instead he was taken to the Cumberland county sheriff's department where they questioned him until two AM before he could go to Jannah he had to provide head and pubic hair samples to compare against those found in the house. Janna had been taken the wool MAC army hospital on Fort Bragg. She was seriously dehydrated 'cause she'd been without food or water for three days. Neighbor, Janette Seafield have been taken care of her ever since Thomann rescued her from the crib genetic cleaned up and put her in one of her husband's t shirts, she fed us and crackers which immediately threw up. So what about dehydration three days? She could have died in three days. I wonder how she survived his McCoy to she's the baby. So she's been without any fluids were nutrition for close to three days. Yeah. Gbi shed a bottle in the crib. Possibly in any of she. She couldn't have held out much longer. Now, they said she was hours from death. Although the fact that she was standing in crying is impressive to me. I mean, we've seen dehydrated babies and usually they're just limp. So Gary was taken throughout his home, which was now a crime scene to see if he noticed anything missing said that there's a metal lock box holding his family's important papers that was gone. There was three hundred dollars of Christmas money that had been in katie's drawer chest of drawers was gone and her while it was was gone. Gary said his wife kept her Bank machine card in your wallet. He and she also kept her pin on a little piece of paper in that wallet. Which they tell you not to do. But that's how person got to use the card, right? So Gary was asked whether he was aware that Katie was rehoming there Doug Katie had written a letter to Gary the night before she was killed telling him that she had found a home for their dog. Dixie a nice man came into Dixie. She wrote she had planned to find Dixie a home as soon as Gary left for Alabama. But with those strange phone calls she'd kept Dixie around a little bit longer as a watchdog. 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But they were especially heartbroken about having to leave their family dog Dixie behind there were government regulations that prohibited them from bringing their dog along. Plus if you bring your dog overseas, it's really traumatic for them or we're going to be Corinthian. Yeah. So it's it's not a great thing for the pit. No, I never feel like flying. Your dog is easy even domestic now. So Katie place the classified ad in the local paper. And she thought she'd found a good family who was willing to take Dixie and lovers much as her family dead around nine pm on Tuesday may seventh army staff sergeant Tim Hennessey answered her classified ad he and his wife Angela love dogs, but their current dog was very jealous of their newborn daughter. So they try to obedience training. But snowball a mixed dog just wasn't going to work out. So they hope to find another. Other dog one from a home with kids who would be better with babies and kids and Dixie seemed to be everything that Tim Angela had been hoping for so before he left the Eastbourne home, Tim asked Katie if he could use the families bathroom, so he did that. And then he left soon after with Dixie intoe on a leash that he brought with him perjure Coon her given police a description of the man he saw outside at the he spurned house the night of may ninth three days after the murders. The police broadcast to request on TV and radio for the men who had answered the Eastbourne's ad for their Doug. They also showed the police sketch. So Tim and angel Hennessy looked at that. And they realized that the police are looking for him to call the sheriff's office to tell him. He was on his way sounds like he has nothing to fear. He seems very upfront in the beginning doesn't it does. So Tim was one of the last people to see Katie Eastbourne alive. Plus he looked just like that police sketch. He gave a statement describing his actions and whereabouts between may ninth and may twelfth henna said he had dropped off his wife at Selma which was ninety minutes away on Thursday may nine so she could visit with their parents for mother's day weekend because he had CQ duty on Friday and Sunday night. They would have much time together if she stayed there CQ duty was twenty four hour shifts at the barracks. So somebody had to be in charge. In case. A supervisor was needed in the middle of the night. Secures charge of quarters. Very good henna said he returned to Fayetteville without Angela and went to bed early. Just a short time after Katie had called to see if Dixie the dog was working out. Okay. He had a normal work day, Friday and said, then CQ duty that night. He. He said he cleaned up around the house on Saturday, then he had CQ duty again on Sunday and he picked up his wife Angela on Monday. He gave Harris saliva and blood samples before he left, the station hair blood and fingerprints had been found in the Eastbourne home. But during the autopsy the medical examiner also had a semen sample with the large number of intact spermatozoa, so Hannah's completed the rape kit where he had to comb and pull out head in pubic cares. And he had to spit into a Cup for saliva sample. The also head to have blood drawn he asked if he was a suspect, but he was told no the detective stalled him though until a fingerprint expert could drive in from Raleigh to get his fingerprints. While Hannah's was being detained Patrick cone came into a photo lineup. So cone chose Hannah's from photos of six men who were blonde with mustaches. The thing about this is though he's of a different race. And as we know. No identification is not as accurate if you're identifying someone of a different race. It's like a forty five percent accuracy rate. It is a fact that cross racial identification. Does not have the same accuracy as identifying someone who's your own race on them to maybe not skeptical them a little leery of any eyewitness description. Oh, absolutely. I think it's very easy to miss identify miss. Remember, I witnesses are just the worst. You're you're wanting to help. Yeah. You can sense from the police. I think who they're looking at maybe I don't know about that. But I am with you on. It's not the best evidence to me. But it was kind of helpful. He also identified the white chevette in the parking lot. Your who seemed to know a good deal. He did. I mean, despite everything we just said, he did seem very reliable as a witness Angela, Tim left the station with their baby daughter, and they were surrounded by reporters and cameras, but they went to bed that night trying to put the experience behind them. At least Angela did none of us know, what was in Tim Hennessy's mind that night bell, the Cumberland county sheriff's department one or two arrest Hannah's immediately and be able to announce the case been solved the district attorney recommended that they wait, but they were eager to show the public that the killer was in custody, particularly if you talk about a copycat killer from the McDonald case when you you don't wanna have people. Thinking that there's a killer roaming, Fort Bragg now. So they got a warrant for Hennessy's arrest and warrants to search is house and car one o'clock in the morning. They pounded on the Highness's door and arrested. Tim Angelo, call. Tim's father, Bob, Bob, and Mary Lou Hannah's were very supportive parents and Bob headed to the airport to come to the aid of his son. They were down in Florida. Right. Right. So Bob, and Mary Lou headed Apted all three of their children and raise them in their Minnesota home on five acres. Tim was two and a half when he was at opted his brother, Andy three years younger than Tim. And a sister Beth for and a half years younger were adopted. Also in the next two years these kids had a happy childhood with loving parents by all accounts, they had a pool table a ping pong table. A swimming pool Beth actually had horses and the family took weekend camping trips. You're there isn't anything that suggests that the head a tough upbring. No by nineteen eighty two. Tim was in the army. Andy was engaged and Beth was almost out of school and Bob was transferred to Boca Raton, Indian Beth would move there to be near their parents. But Andy headed to Florida and June twenty third on his motorcycle. He exited off. I two eighty five and stopped at a red light. And he was waiting behind a line of cars for the light to turn. When a drunk driver hit him from behind. Andy was knocked into the next lane. He was killed by a tractor trailer. Horrible. Excellent. Yeah. So police are searching the home of Tim Angela Hannah's. They didn't find any knives or bloody tells but intimidate Angeles bedroom, they did find two black toboggan caps. The didn't find a dark jacket, which was the piece of clothing Patrick own. And I described the tested every shoe Hannah's head in his closet with pheno failing. This is the substance as more precise. Ice in women because it reacts only to blend. They tested the nights in his house and a pair of tan quarter Roy's from a dresser drawer, and they also sees the white chevette at the county garage. They went through the car with Luminol sprang around the mess of fast food wrappers soda cans and newspapers Noblesse was found in the car. The only hair that they found belong to Dixie. Doc. So bud took Angela to lunch. And then they went to the law office of age Jerrell beaver Bob wanted to hire beaver for Tim's case beaver admit, Tim that morning after mirror Lukoil from Boca Raton, and he felt the Tim seen innocent of the crime. But he was well aware that the district attorney had a strong circumstantial case against him. And there was more bad news neighbor called the sheriff's department to report some of Tim's unusual activity the day before the Eastbourne's bodies were found. This neighbor had seen Tim drag a fifty five gallon barrel from the corner of his lot over to near his house and by nine thirty AM smoke was pouring from the barrel. Flames shot into the air as Hannah stood over it foreing in lighter fluid to maintain the fire. He also stirred the fire with a stick and later in the afternoon, he came back and restarted the fire again to me while it circumstantial evidence, it's significant varies. Suspicious. Roy never done this before and suddenly the day after the crime, the murders his burning something in this big drum so beaver told Bob Manjula, the state would argue the barrel fire explained why no bloody clothes towels are rags had been found inside head as-as home. The lawyers new lab experts could match some burn remains to any known documents. Remember, there were papers that were taken. And they thought that maybe something in that barrel would help them convict, Tim Jimenez. But Bob immediately hired the law firm of beaver Holt Richardson, stern licked Burge and glazier two of their senior partners beaver in Richardson were considered the best criminal defense attorneys in North Carolina. So I think the court was surprised that he had such a good attorney. They didn't expect that with this young guy who didn't have much or your air force sergeant. Yep. Not enough to hire fancy. Defense attorney. I guess it pays to have parents with money. You're Bob IBM exact probably was fairly well off. Yeah. I think so but still it seems like they had to sell their house. There was like one hundred thousand dollar retainer. So it wasn't like they just had the money to blow. They did have to make sacrifices. Yeah. So the the law firm hired an investigator named Bob Noah gar and his job was to retrace the steps of police. Detectives scrutinize the evidence and look for information or clues police might have missed. So another gar and the attorneys set up reenactment of the scene as described by Patrick cone, along with Tim Henin's lookalike. They went to the Summerhill road residence at the same early morning time. The Patrick stand-in was unable to see the Tim look alike because the area was very poorly lit during the predawn hours. Yes. And then there was video tape of Patrick cone himself saying he couldn't see, you know, doubting. What he? Had said then during this reenactment, David Hill neighbor from across the street approach the team and told them that on the night of the murder. He had approached a van parked in front of the Eastbourne residents. He'd spoken to a white male with crewcut who said he had stopped talk with a couple of friends whose voices David could here in the back of the van now the van drove off before they do anything. And then a couple days later, David. So the same van for sale in a win Dixie parking lot. And that just seems like a red herring to me. Well, it seemed convenient doesn't it? I think it's just one of these people trying to help who might not have any information that matters too much. But there was a second enactment that failed to prove the eyewitness testimony. So Patrick did admit that he's been starting to have doubts about his identification of Tim tennis, Annella Ghur also found flaws in the evidence including hairs and fingerprints found at the scene. The could not be matched to hint. Us or any known friend or family member? These burn family. There is also a size nine shoeprint uncovered by police that was much smaller than Tim size thirteen feet. Now, I've read that he had a size eleven at a size twelve and a size thirteen. So I'm not sure what issues is was. But it was definitely larger than a nine. But there is also some question about whether that was the whole print. The might have been missing part of the he'll part of the toe. Again, there's a lot of contradictory stuff going on here. There is that's why it's so hard to make it my mind about this case Francis expert. Paul stumble visited the eastern resident six months after the crime e- found a condom package that was undiscovered by police underneath the dresser. According to him when compared to known facts about the relationship between the Eastbourne's this suggested that consensual sex had happened in the home prior to the murders. So he's suggesting that Katy had sex with someone else in her home while her husband was away after spending time in the Eastbourne home in reviewing reports and evidence he also suggested that the murders were committed by two assailants. And how did he come up with that? It was because of the the wounds the direction the wounds came the wounds whose first of all thinking that there was more than one weapon more than one knife. Okay. You said the directions. Of the slashes suggested some were done by a right handed person, some possibly by a left handed person. Did this go along with the whole idea that it was a McDonald planned thing to try and get him to win his appeal to make it look like there was a killer out there doing these crimes. That's the implication is. Yeah. And the interesting thing about stumble is he was one of the star witnesses in the McDonald trial. What side for the prosecution now fence he's the one who lined up the pajama top. So that all the the holes in it could match. So he was somewhat instrumental in convicting McDonald. And now is working for the defense, and is suggesting that the murders were kind of a copycat killing, but it turned out, and I don't know exactly how from reading the book for listening to the the sources we had the defense decided that his evidence was testimony wasn't going to be very helpful saying it really use it at trial. He didn't testify for the defense. Okay. And the other thing is that never also spoke with Lucille cook. And this is a woman who had used her ATM card at the same time in place when katie's carded menus d-. She said she saw nobody during her transaction. The first time was at ten fifty two pm on Friday may tenth which was the night after the murders than the card was used again. The next morning at eight fifty six each time, somebody withdrew one hundred fifty dollars. The interesting thing here is that Hannah's needed about three hundred dollars to pay his rent for his house apartment. He wasn't good with money and he'd gotten in trouble for writing bad checks a couple of times. Now, the thing about this woman is she said that. She saw no one. But then she would go back on that until the prosecution. She'd seen a tall blonde guy months later months later. Plus she used the machine three minutes after him. Why would he hang around for three minutes? There's no reason to so I don't really find her reliable is a long time. It is when you're standing in an ATM your, and you think if somebody had killed people and was using the card they'd wanna get the heck out of there quickly. So police and prosecutors were sticking to their belief that Tim was guilty. And they investigated him. They uncovered an incident bennigan's one of those chain restaurants. We're Hannah's work part time in the kitchen. He apparently loves distemper back in employees against a wall, all in a dispute over cleanup. They also got a report the Tim and agile Hannah's foot the day before the murders. While they're in a Honda class learning how to build a Dollhouse for Christina reports said that embarrass classmates had stopped and stared at the couple's. So I guess it was a bit of a vigorous argument. This kind of behavior is definitely a red flag that shows that a person has issues now once hit a girlfriend who was dating a guy who worked in a restaurant, and he got into an altercation actually squirted his boss or one of his co workers with the hose out side the door of the restaurant and got in a fight with them. Yeah. And I told her don't marry this guy he has issues with anger. Well, suffice it to say he had a lot of issues and she ended up divorcing him. But she didn't listen to your advice. Now, she never did. But at least I at least I could say I had told her prosecutors also checked tennis's military. Record. And they learned that he'd been kicked out of helicopter flight school because he was lying to a captain. So maybe Hannah's headed grudge against offices. And maybe he took out his revenge on captain, Gary Eastbourne's family. People who talked to him said he was kinda guy with a chip on his shoulder. This kind of a long shot for me that he was a can't something against. I'm just gonna go killing officers family. I don't think he'd do it for that reason. But that could be part of it. You know, that could be part of let's say that he wanted to have sex with her and she said, no. And he gets oh, you think you're too good. For me. You're a captain's wife that could be part of his anger. Sure. Sure. Now, the army did have jurisdiction over Hannah's because he was on active duty, then they could have court martial Tim on murder charges, but the crime had been committed off base and this is normally prosecuted by the county. So the army didn't have anything to do with this case, the first one the first case first trial and Hannah's alibi that he returned home. Immediately after dropping off his wife and daughter at his inlaws was disproved when Nancy macer a former girlfriend told detectives a totally different story so Hannah's sin. Maze are had actually met years earlier at a honky tonk bar in Fort Bragg, and they dated for a while. And after they broke up Hanna still occasionally stopped by her house on may night Hannah's aware that her husband was deployed away in Germany made an unannounced. Visit Nancy mazer said that she led him in and they talked and she tapped his wedding band and asked him. How his marriage was going, and he told her that his wife had left him. That's not true. Well, I technically she's at her parents couple days. So he may have been misleading her there to dry. She heard left them. Right. Just for the weekend. But he may have had some interest in sexual activity with her although she says he didn't come onto her and he left he was in a fine mood. He wasn't angry or frustrated or anything, which is what the prosecution would try and say they actually decided that he was rejected by Nancy mazer, and he'd gone to see this other attractive woman that he knew was home alone, Katie Eastbourne. So maybe he was rejected by Katie things got out of control. Now, it's hard to believe they would get out of control to the point where he would kill two children and her, but it did happen. So somebody did it. So then the the morning Friday morning after the murders, and is taken a single item of clothing to the dry cleaners which turned out to be his black members only, Jack which was suspicious. Yeah. One article, although I guess there was no blood on it. No. And how do they know that they know the from? Well, it's circumstantial stuff the dry cleaner said that he didn't notice any bloodstains and Hannah's did not ask to have bloodstains removed from the jacket chist was regular cleaning south. There was blood on there and it had the regular cleaning. And then the police tested after the cleaning. Would they still have found blood? If it had been there as the question, we would have, and they know that for sure was testimony down the road and another the other trial. I find that strange because even if you just have regular dry cleaning. It seems like various things are gonna come off of it without special treatments. Sure. But you could still recover evidence of blood. Okay. You have to use a special cleaner apparently to remove bloodstains. Okay. So month before the case went to trial, another I. Witness emerged. Investigators track down that woman who visited the ATM three minutes after the stolen card been used on Saturday morning. And this is when she recalled seeing a tall, man, with blond hair wearing camouflage pants and getting into a small light colored car was the woman who initially said she saw nobody right? And then she came forward a month before the trial and changed her mind, which is really weird. He almost wonder if the police had worked with her to get that out of her something one would say so now before the trial Hannah's was offered. A plea bargain to counts of second degree murder with the likely penalty of two consecutive life sentences, but he told his lawyer not pleading guilty to something I didn't do. So maybe he was innocent. Or maybe he felt that they didn't have enough evidence to convict him one or the other. Yeah. Or both at the trial in the summer of nineteen eighty six the lead. Prosecutor William van story told the jurors what happened in that house was utter madness. It's one of the most tragic things that has ever happened in this country in he showed dozens of gruesome photographs from the crime scene. Now, they actually set up one of those slide shows with not only pictures from the crime scene, but pictures of the girls on the autopsy tables, which seems unnecessary to prove anything. The other thing is that the screen for showing us was directly behind Ennis. Also, when they were showing pictures, not only the jury is now looking at the slides, but they can see Hannis underneath them. And what does he do? I mean if he has a blank look on his face. He looks cold your he looks upset. He looks healty. You're screwed either way. Yeah. So that really did make him look bad on July fourth nineteen eighty six after twelve hours of deliberation. The jury returned a guilty verdict on one count of first degree rape. And three counts of first degree. Murder. Tennis was sentenced to death three times while the defense prepared appeal and has moved upstate to a prison in Raleigh. He was one of seventeen convicts on death row at the facility and this received a letter postmarked July eight the day of his sentencing. Dear Mr. hence, I did the crime. I murdered the Eastbourne's. Sorry. Doing the time. I'll be safely out of North Carolina. When you read this thanks mister x authorities never determined Mr. Xs identity, the sheriff's office also received Mr. x letter and one was sent to an attorney named Deavere because whoever it was confused beaver in Deavere Hennessy's appeal reached the state supreme court were headed his lawyers argued that the many graphic photos shown by the prosecution had unduly inflamed. The jurors against his client and the judges ruled five to two and Hennessy's favor. So he was awarded a retrial, and there was also some cross to to'real misconduct in terms of prosecution was withholding evidence that they had that showed. That tennis was at work on the time of the usage of the ATM card, which might have helped his honor him. Sure. So we're going to have a neutral. Yes. The Hannah's ruling is still invoked by defense attorneys. Seeking to limit the presentation of photos that are redundant or that could unfairly prejudice Jour's. So there's just an interesting legal tidbit from reading the book in looking into things certainly was above and beyond the amount of pictures that they needed. Absolutely. The defense was willing to stipulate how the victims died. I mean, there wasn't anything that could be gained by showing the photos except to make people feel terrible. Right. Exactly. It's true because they weren't arguing that the family had died the way they died right at the retrial in Wilmington the defense focused on discrediting Patrick cone, the eyewitness beaver referred to him as a thief in a liar between the first and second trials own had committed some fairly minor criminal offenses attempting to use a stolen ATM card. A public drunkenness obstructing an officer driving a car with an expire. Registration enduring this drunkenness episode. He told a cop you can't arrest me, I'm helping you guys out. So he was kind of using his status as a witness to keep out of trouble. When he did things wrong any went back and forth on whether he had actually seen Hannis or the was positive is identification. The next day. He wasn't sure it was fascinated back and forth. He did. And his lawyers also argued the contest Omonia at the first trial was inaccurate Conan said that the weather on the night of the murders was fair with stars out a meteorologist called by the defense provided records that showed it had been a cloudy night, a local helicopter pilot who had avoided a meta Vach mission that same morning also remembered the weather being very very dark, overcast. On the stand. Gary Eastbourne confirmed that two months before head has picked up there. Doug, Katie had received threatening phone calls in the middle of the night for man who knew her name and said that he was coming over to the house, then they also read the unsettling letters from Mr. X, the defense emphasize that just a couple of weeks after the murders. The woman who testified to seeing a man resembling Hennessy at the Cam had told an investigator. I don't remember anything. She apparently firmed upper story on the eve of the first trial, assuring prosecutors that she had seen a tall blonde man getting into a compact white car so beaver called this highly suspect to new witnesses also testified on Hennessy's behalf was a woman who delivered the rolling news and observer paper every morning, and she said that at one forty five that night, she had seen a long haired man, driving a light coloured van in front of these burn home. The fence then called a tall blonde teenage boy from the east burns neighborhood to the stand. And he testified that he often walked along Summerhill road late at night and he admitted to doing so around three in the morning on may tenth nineteen eighty five. This suggested that maybe he was the person Conesa not Hannis, then the boy appeared in court the room is prove very silent. 'cause he was almost identical hints. He was this was a big deal. The defense had the footprints to that were found outside the Eastman house and were several sizes smaller than Hennessy shoes. And there was blood discovered on a bathroom towel that didn't match Ennis's blood. Investigators had found several hairs, including pubic hair in the eastern home that belonged to neither Harris nor any of the victims as for the fire that has set in his backyard the day after the murder the defense showed that nothing in the charred remains had been traced to the eastern home. Not only did Hennessy's members only jacket have no bloodstains. There was an analyst from the international fabric care institute. That testified the VAR solve the chemical used in regular dry cleaning could not remove all traces of blood April. Tenth nineteen eighty nine. Henin's took the stand fever in Richardson, recommended as they felt that their client had nothing to hide. So this is the same defense team that recommended he not testify at the first trial. Right. But this time they did. Any rehearsed to not lose his temper, and he did. Okay. But he still had some kind of angry responses. I think he's kinda guy yet seems like it when he was asked about not telling detectives at first about his visit Nancy macer. He said, I forgot about it, sir. I just didn't play that much emphasis on it. It is something that slipped. My mind. I have a hard time believing that too. But that's okay. After two days of deliberations. The jury reached a verdict not guilty on all counts. So after living for more than eight hundred days death row has left the courthouse as a free man, he lifted up his daughter, Christina. Who was now four years old in several jurors actually came out and shook his hand. So after his acquittal, and it's relisted basically, he didn't have anything else to do. Besides being the service. Right. That's true. I mean, what are you gonna do? Right. He received three years of back pay. A good conduct medal and promotion staff sergeant in September nineteen ninety he went to Saudi Arabia for operation desert shield, he returned to the United States the following spring. And then a year later went to Somalia he received awards for service when superior described him as a sterling example for all and a colleague called him and outstanding soldier. Jeff short ago who served with Hannah's at fort drum, New York said Tim was a gentle giant. I would trust the guy with my family. In nineteen ninety eight NS along with Angela Christina. And now Andrew his six year old son moved to fort Lewis, Washington. So he's living free. All this time. He became the scoutmaster of Andrews troop leading the boys on hiking trips to mount Saint Helens and on a snow caving expedition, the assistant scoutmaster would remember Hannah's as a good influence on the children. He retired from the army in July two thousand four after twenty three years of service and eat earned the rink of Master Sergeant. Then he took a job at a waste treatment facility. But meanwhile, back in North Carolina all these years prosecutors were continuing to pursue the case because they were convinced tennis guilt. They did much looking for other people. No, they didn't. Okay, now in two thousand six the found vegetal swabs in the rape kit taken from kitties burns body when this gave the new evidence DNA testing that hadn't been used in the nineteen eighties. So it turned out that the semen found in katie's vagina wasn't pursued as evidence technological advances. Obviously had improved in DNA testing. The semen sample was tested, and it showed with a twelve billion to win certainty that the semen from that soi belong to Hannah's. Right. But there's been some people complaining about that evidence. And saying it wasn't accurate 'cause there were some issues. There were this is a time when there was a lot of per mole at the state lab falsifying evidence inside, but they tested a second sample at an independent lab and got the same results and third sample. So I'm pretty convinced by the DNA evidence. I can't argue it no tennis. But some of the things that were going on in that lab Duane Deaver was behind it. We remember joined Deavere from the Michael Peterson case he screwed that up. Yeah. He someone that got Michael Peterson a new trial. But I'm going to go ahead and believe that DNA evidence will think it's more believable with two other independent labs, right verify the testing and the problems were not within the DNA portion of the lab, it was blood testing and other things. Right now. So you have that. But at the same time, you have a guy who has been cleared right who's acquitted? So somebody deal we have this thing called double jeopardy, right? To can't be tried again for a crime that you've been acquitted. So they figured out a way to do this. And a lot of people don't think it was really fair. Well, there's a team of military attorneys that evaluated the case and the army decided to pursue it. So they recalled to active duty and his back in the service. And then he gets charged with murder three counts. So major Ribes Stella of the army JAG corps. Judge advocate. General corps worked on Hannah's case. And he stated that the military's ability to prosecute a case that had already been tried is well settled law. Nothing state does actually affects what the federal government can do. Well, that may be very true. But it's still not something that is ever really done. No. Although I kinda can see it because we have people that have been, you know, if you look at the opposite side of the people on death row that have been convicted years before and with new techniques DNA technology, they find that the person on death row couldn't have been the perpetrator of the crime and they get released. So what's what's the difference? Then in someone who's previously been acquitted with new techniques in DNA testing finding him to be the guilty party. Just don't want people to be harassed and taken back to court over and over again. But I could see with this new technology. It does kind of make sense. I know that some other countries have changed their double jeopardy laws Australia, for example, just did it like ten or twelve years ago. And it does kind of make sense if you find DNA evidence, maybe there needs to be some kind of allowance for that. But this way, they kind of found their way around it by using the military. I glance. It sounds kind of a sneaky way to do it. But I I really can see I mean, the if they hadn't come up with new testing hit still be free, right? So a lot of people think he should be though, while the prosecution's case to court martial heinous was primarily based on that new DNA testing, and the defense's closing argument. His new attorney Frank spinner urged jurors not to convict tennis. He noted that. There was no blood fingerprint or fiber evidence that connected to the crime. And that Hannah's had been seen working on that Dow house for his young daughter at the time of the bake transaction records showing the stolen ATM card had been used. So I guess he'd been putting shingles on that Dow house while he was at sea queued duty that night trying to put shingles on spinner even suggested that it was possible. There was no rape at all. But that Katy Eastbourne and Tim Hennessey head consensual sex a couple of days before she and her children were murdered by. Some other unknown person or persons really gross people out. Yes, it's tacking victim. Also, if she did have sex with Tim Jimenez, and then someone came in raped her after that, how likely is that. No, no. But I don't think the suggesting that I think they are brochures killed and raped. I think it's pretty sure she was raped dick because they cut her panties. There should be to people's DNA in there. Right. That's what I'm saying. Although they did find the condom package under the table. So I think they're suggesting that the rapist were condom. Okay. But the whole thing is kind of contradictory. I mean, his he's denied having sex weather, and if that if they're trying to say, it was consensual sex than he'd be happy to have his sperm insider 'cause it was consensual. Yeah. So you could say why did he lie about that? In the first trial. Maybe they just didn't bring it up because it would look bad her. I don't believe it. No. I think that's a huge stretch. And I think it really looked bad to say that. Received as for sure now. So the jury came up with a guilty verdict and they sentenced to death again. So now he's undock throw at an army facility in Fort Leavenworth Kansas there. He's appeals been denied. He has another appeal. I think pending before higher military court, and after that it's the supreme court of the United States. So he's not finished. He's not finished. And the whole thing. We didn't mention is those some DNA under the fingernails of Katie. And the kids wanna one kid partial DNA, partial DNS, the tough part, which they say wasn't Hennessy's seems to exclude tennis. So it's still very fascinating case. Yeah. The DNA in the sperm really makes me think he's guilty. But at the same time there are some questionable things for the evidence. To a fascinating case. It really is. So we probably haven't heard the last of it, probably not. So they're many sources of information on this case, there's a twenty twenty episode available on YouTube. There's also a book innocent victims by Scott, wiz knit, and that was also made into a TV miniseries based on the book, but you can find YouTube. 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Remember, you can send your feedback in case suggestions to us an Email to true crime brewery at tigr dot com or tell us in your own voice by leaving a voicemail on the Leyva voicemail link on the front page of our website tigr ever dot com. This is the last few voicemails that we've chosen to play that are going to be eligible to get a t shirt. But I think the remaining voicemails have come after the first of the year. We might wanna talk about that. Maybe we'll want to expand it a little. We'll see we'll see. But decided picked. Okay. So the the first one is from alley, and she has a case suggestion. All right. Let's hear what alley had to say. Hi, Jim Indyk. My name is Eric calling from Rochester. Minnesota. I'm calling with a K suggestion and a comment in regards to the worst Heidi episode, but it's also regarding cases in general. So my Komen is about the juror who decided to switch to the guilty verdict. Mostly out of just I guess a gut feeling, and I feel like some people in society feel like they don't need hard evidence to convict somebody. Even when we were watching Netflix series or TV shows, we feel like, oh, yeah. We have a gut feeling that that person's guilty in. That's enough to say. Yeah, he did it or. Yes, she did it, and I feel like when I talk to people about said cases, I tried to explain that. You can have a gut feeling that they did it. But that's not enough of your journey to say, yes, this person's guilty, and you can send them away. It's okay to feel like somebody's guilty. But also if you're on the jury to say not guilty. It's okay to be in that middle grounds of the gray area where you have a gut feeling that they're guilty. But there's no physical evidence to put them away to jail. I feel like if people feel they're guilty. They automatically say throw them in jail, which isn't the correct way that our system set up for the for this specific reason that the war's Heidi case provides evidence that just because you had the gut feeling that person could be totally innocent. And it's proven later when the real evidence comes out. So that was just my comment based on that case. And and civil are cases have come out saying practically exact same thing. Once we get more. Evidence that the person that we convicted is not the actual person who's guilty. So my case suggestion is regarding an older case, the lady's name is Helen Brown, she disappeared from Rochester and in in hotel in the car hotel. It was in nineteen seventy seven and she was actually declared dead legally until nineteen eighty four and she was actually an era. So that was an interesting case because people fought over her money, and it was quite a scandal. So it's a very interesting case and supposedly her goal still haunts the hotel so and the forager brewery, which is also in Rochester is a very good brewery. So recommend a beer from there. We've been there few times in it's pretty packed all the time. So thank you. All right. Thank sally. So Allie brings up a disturbing point about our jury system, where we you know, how we feel about yours, but the only child please the only thing I'd say about that is that you certainly can convict somebody on circumstantial evidence second stanchly. Yes. But not a feeling right? And that's the part that I'm not sure who's that frequent that. I kind of see what she's saying people do feel like they know things just from their intuition. But you know, when you go to be a juror. You do get all kinds of warnings and instructions I would hope that most people listen to that. They don't now. I mean, a lot of people base it on do they like the person? Sure, what is their feeling when they see the person? And I think most people know better than that. But I agree with Alli than a lot of people probably do that could factors into liberations. Absolutely. No question. And that's why we've we've said before it will say it, again, if for accused of something nasty like that we're gonna go for a bench trial and just hopefully getting good judge. Yeah. Now her case suggestion we've talked about this before. So I'm thinking, maybe we ought to do something about it. Helen brach was a multimillionaire, her wealth came from marrying into the EJ, Brock and sons candy company. So she was very very wealthy. Those delicious butterscotch things they do of she endowed. The Helen v Brock foundation, which promoted animal welfare and that began in nineteen seventy four. So she was a cool lady. Well, just like you. So she disappeared in nineteen seventy seven. She was at the mayo clinic for something or other and was supposed to be catching her flight back home to Chicago. And never apparently got on that flight Boone, she was declared legally dead and may of nineteen eighty four. There's an investigation of the case uncovered some serious criminal activity associated with Chicago state. Owners silas. Jane, Richard Bailey and Bailey was eventually charged with but not convicted of conspiring to murder Brock MRs like ten years after the fact said did they never find her body? No. They've never found anything. Okay. Barely did get a sentence after being convicted of defrauding Brock. But nobody else has been tried for her murder that's on salt. It's an unsolved case. It'd be interesting. So we might want to look at that like to do some onself ones because like to debate. What you think happened is always fun to debate. Sure. Okay. What is our next voicemail? Next voicemail is from jasmine. And she has a case suggestion, and this is a a lady from down under. Oh nice. Hi, dick Hijo. My name's jasmine. I'm from town call low, which is safe obscene. Newsouth. Well, I'll Strahl era. I just wanted to say, I absolutely about the podcast. I have a lot of chronic pain issues. And you'll put cost is the only one I listen to help me get through the nights when everyone else is asleep. And I'm still up. I really love that you find this on the victim as you are that something you don't see very often most crime, what costs and shows and things like that focus on in the criminal and all the sensational details, but you really humanize the victims, which is refreshing change, the only issue a have is you seem to think polygraph tests valid which. Many studies of trying to be folks, I mean, basically a psychopath because of the unfeeling nature can easily possibly innocent, but nervous peasant will mind that attend fail. There's a reason I don't not admissible in court. But, you know, the inventor of the polygraph itself is actually had actually come out and said he's unhappy with how the bane used and that they are not accurate, but otherwise the put cost is completely perfect do case suggestions while you from my town Romano, it's the matter of will humane occur guy in nineteen sixty six at the pay Cadila, Katy moon, go. This place actually has a motel on top of the shops. And a actually stayed a few nights there. It's very Sadie at it's nine for drug activity, which I had no idea when I stayed there. But even without knowing about the meta the whole place just feels often really creepy. We'll Jimenez Motta was absolutely brutal. Just fifty seven at the time and clean up at the at the cage. And she was founded the bottom of the stairs in a parking area. But the police think she was actually attacked at the top of the escalators then dragged down them and then dragged down another set of stairs plays out. Sure. She was alive when this happened. But the reason I think that she might have been was was a blood trail as will clothing, impersonal items gathered around stays the murder sent shockwaves through the community and to this day. No one has been arrested or charged with the murder. They was going to be documentary film by some local food makers, but their Facebook pages not been active in about a year. I'm I don't know what you'll be able to find on this case. But at fascinates me. I'd love to heave is take on it. As for basic question. I don't actually drank sorry. But my partner swears by one fifty lashes pale James squire, and they are actually opening Abreu housing Mogam, sir. Anyway, thanks, guys. And just keep doing exactly what you doing. Why? Thank you jasmin. Yes. Thank you. Now. I I would say that we don't consider by detector tests infallible now. And I don't think we've presented them that way. I think they're helpful potentially helpful. But I'm not going to convict somebody or free somebody based on a lie detector test. Right. I don't know. I think that I changed my mind often from pad cast pad cast and how I feel about them. So I really have no defense of myself. I bet there are times when I've thought it's absolute and times when I don't believe it. So, but we do know there's a big gray area with them. We both would concede to that of Lourdes and those jasmine. So that's why they're not miserable in court. Right. So excellent stuff. What was that that we we saw show where they had something that they said was better than a lie detector. And they record someone's voice. You're kind of a voice analysis. Yeah. We're the book tone. One of her pitcher voice and stuff. Yeah. It was supposed to be much more accurate. Yeah. What it was it wasn't accurate to the point of it being admissible either. No. But it did seem like it was more accurate possibly we. Don't know. Okay. So what about Jasmine's case suggestion? I see you have some notes on it here through the most of it is just to repeat of which as McCain said, okay? The one thing that I would only go further saying is that her this Krueger murder might be related to the infamous Wanda beach murder, and we've talked about that. I don't think we've done it. But we've discussed it where we talked about it in relation to the Beaumont children here. His to fifteen year old girls that were found mutilated and partially buried in the sand dunes at one beach. Yes, these cases are unsolved. Also, then we have a guy who is arrested in nineteen sixty six for the murder of a nineteen year old woman had Caroline orphan. And during his time in jail. He presented a Lance. Gay painting to detective and the detective clams contained images of positions of the bodies in the Wanda beach murder as well as details of the murder released. And it also contained clues to the Piccadilly murder the Kruger murder now apparently wrote a book the detective did discussing Sterry, but he was killed in an accident before the book was finished. And it's never been published that sad. So there's some interesting stuff around that. But this Piccadilly murder was very gruesome in strange it. Sure. What's in? There was there's a rumor maybe more than a rumor that she'd been disemboweled with a surgeons precision sow. That's pretty weird. Sure is will look into that. Okay. Great. And the beer too. Right. Have you had that beer? You didn't mention alleys beer either. Have you had either of those beers? No, not yet. So they'd be good to pick. If we cover the case. Yeah. It might be easier to get a hold of some Rochester. Minnesota beards, then will on gone, Australia beers share. But I like the name of that beer. Absolutely. Well, we just love the way the estrogen speak. Let's be honest and one more case suggestion voicemail from Jamie. Okay. Hey, dickin- gel. This is Jamie. I just wanna thank you so much for your awesome podcast. I look forward to it every week. Here's a suggestion for maybe one of your newer episodes. And that would be the case of Schuster. She is the one who worked for the Cali to kidnap her in process of divorce ex husband, I believe and dumped his body into a fifty five gallon drum and drowned him with hydrochloric acid, I work in the science industry. And unfortunately, you know, just a small pet. I'd gotten a small acid burn on my phone and just the pain. I can't imagine how callously one could do that to another living human being while on abide or note. Dick, do it for your be reviewed every single week to Mata huge beer drinker. But the way you described them does make a few sound of tempting. Well, thank you so much have a great day in continuing the great work. Thank you CQ. You javy? It sounds as if this woman put him in the acid while he was still alive. I haven't been able to figure that out for sure that's what Jamie was saying. Pretty much sounds like. Sounds like she knocked him out or something or had help and submerged his body hydrochloric acid, and that would take care. Thanks. I'm breaking bad. They would dissolve bodies in hydrochloric acid. But then Mythbusters are think used hydra flora acid in breaking bid is that less, caustic. Just two different compound by you're saying hydrochloric acid would dissolve a body completely on nurturer. Okay. Well, the the breaking bad acid would not know. But it a through the floor. Oh, and it would eat three your skin. It would definitely hurt. Like a bastard. I'm not saying it wouldn't hurt. Yeah. But that's an unusual thing for especially for a woman to do your case made national headlines, and she was the the acid lady. Chase won an evil person here. Okay. You have to really hate your ex ex-husband's guts or estranged husband's guts, I guess I through I hope. If I never hate anyone that much. I can't imagine her too. Right. All right. Let's do our emails. We've got a few emails the first ones from sandy. And you might notice that. I just let the writer talk about the case. I didn't put any comments or anything. So I think it's great when they give us information. Sure. Yup. So this is from sandy. Okay. And sandy writes, the low Jilin dick, I've listened to your podcast for a very long time. But I've never felt compelled to reach out to you. Until now, I would like you to do show on Mark hut. Who was convicted of killing his wife. His wife was found dead in the basement of their home on a bed made of couch cushions hours after she died, but her death had started at least eleven days before when her husband burned her over forty percent of her body with boiling water, her autopsy revealed that in addition to the burns she had two black eyes eight or nine broken ribs. And at least thirty pellets embedded into her body some of which were inflicted after the burns and numerous other injuries Marquette claim that after he accidentally burned his wife medical treatment was not sought out because his wife didn't want it. I came across this case on a YouTube channel less than ten minute video. But there was. Surprisingly, very little information on the case. I e the before story or the aftermath. So I'm hoping that with your great sleuthing skills. You might be able to provide your listeners with a more in depth view of this tragic case keep up the great work in know that I am always present. With you at the quiet end listening intently to your every word, even the beer reviews for a person that does not drink at all. I think I could hold a very lucid conversation on IP as Stoute's and loggers with anyone thanks to Dick's reviews. PS where does the term Tigra or stem from the thank you? Thank you. Sandy sounds like really fascinating case. And hope I can find enough information for us to do in pursuit. Yeah. This talk about really hating someone hurting someone that's awful realize. I put those back to back. It's kinda gross. Isn't it? It is. Yes, it's really terrible. So and you can answer the question about we're tigr ever came from its website. If you look at tiger dot com under about us. He can read it. I'm sorry. I'm just not that fond of talking about personal things unless it's something that comes up in relation to a case kinda shy that way you are. But it's a cute little story. You can read moving on a couple case suggestions from Shannon. Shannon says from Wichita Kansas and she likes podcasts above blah. She says as mentioned I'm in Wichita, which is best known for the Btk killings. But fortunately, or unfortunately, there are several which cases that are just as interesting. So she's got a couple of first one is the murder of Tanya ten dock, and she is the owner of tiny soup kitchen in Wichita, she was murdered in June of two thousand fifteen by critics Mitchell of this was a friend of hers shoes letting him crash at her place. He beat and strangled her to death. Now. This case is most interesting because tiny had such a big personality. Funny opinionated and belly dancer. That's a bit unusual. Isn't it? That's cool. Her restaurant is still in business and being run by her friends and partners. She's missed and our absences felt across the city. I can imagine. Yeah. So then the second case happened in December of two thousand online. It's called the Wichita massacre. The car brothers went on a spree of random robberies assaults rapes and murders in which they killed five people in a dog. I have to draw the line at the right bastards. So they did all sorts of horrible gruesome things to these people after they robbed them rape them forcing them to do sexual acts each other. They drove him to empty out there. Bake council ATM's and then went onto a soccer field. Naked and shut them all execution style. They ran over the bodies in the truck they stole from one of them to make sure they were dead that one woman survived the gruesome attack, her hair Borate had deflected. The bullet. So she worked naked more than a mile eventually got some help. Meanwhile, the car brothers returned to the house to look for more valuables, and they beat this women's dog to death with a golf club. She testified against him and trial. And they're convicted of nearly all the hundred thirteen counts and sentenced to death hundred and thirteen counts. Holy shit. They built a lot of mayhem awful evil people. She just wonder what would make anybody do that. So those those sound good. Maybe it sounds pretty awful a look into Shannon, says she's not much of a beer drinker. But she says her husband recommends a beer called style points by central standard, ROY I like the name style points. Yeah. So those cases will look into those. All right. Thank you, Shannon, extra n-. And then we have one final Email from dorming. She's talking about the most recent case, we did the two sisters that were abducted bridge of Sarah ridge of sorrow. Becky, right. So we're ins- for you. Okay. So this was I knew tube her comment, and she was just excited that there was an episode out because it was a holiday, and she says I realized over this past week that I'm truly addicted to true crime Burri as well as both of you. I actually feel like I was suffering from separation anxiety. I can totally understand why this was a difficult story for you to do Jill. I came so close when I was fifteen in nineteen sixty eight in the parking lot of shopping center on my way, home after purchasing address. I was approached by a man who claimed to be a police officer who said he believed I had shoplifted and took me to his car. I showed him my dress and receipt. And he advised me that he would have to take me to the station to be checked by a female officer. I totally lost it on him. And well, I believe he thought I might be too much trouble. And he let me go. Well, good for you. As soon as I arrived. Home sister called our family friend who was. A police officer who advised her it had not been a real police officer in sent detectives out to interview me at the police station after hours of looking at mugshots on successfully I was driven home by police on the way, I heard over the radio that after dropping me off they were to proceed to a park in the central part of the city and the next day. It was all over the news that a body of a young girl had been discovered at that part. She had been raped and murdered. I know absolutely that I escaped being murdered. Yes. Jill this was a haunting and very sad story. I can imagine that she lived every day in fear plagued by survivor's guilt and fear of them being released haunting sad story. You both did an amazing job with it. I respect appreciate in value. The dignity both give to the victims and their families. Gratitude gratitude to you or thank you so much for writing. And for this letter, especially I'm sure it was an easy. No. I have had close calls before. But I never found out that the person that picked me up actually did murder someone person that tried to pick me up. So this is really horrifying. I can imagine that you just know that you could have been the one who was raped and killed, but we are very glad that you are alive in that you got away. See it does pay to be a lot of trouble. It worked. Yeah. I was make that my goal every day to be trouble to a pretty good job. Thank you. So I don't have anything more for feedback. Okay. We'll get some more for next week. We get excellent feedback. I just like to say thank you everybody again. And if you've written in, and we haven't read your letter played your voicemail, we probably will don't lose. Hope we probably will get around to it a pretty good backlog, and I'm working my way through it. And I'm hoping that I'll catch up at some point you doing a great job. I'm really glad the took it over the downside is that if people keep writing to us and giving voicemails keeps increasing instead of decreasing it does. But I certainly wouldn't complain because I just think it's great Mark complaining. You know, he's hire someone to help with it. If it gets to that point. Okay. Okay. Group deal. All right. We'll thanks again. Everybody for listening, and we'll see you next time at the quiet and recorded. 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The Drop - Bucks, Angry Rockets, Future Jerseys

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The Drop - Bucks, Angry Rockets, Future Jerseys

"Sweat world. It's Friday February twenty-second two thousand nineteen thanks for tuning into the drop the Lola bunny to the Bugs Bunny that is our daily television show the starters, which we know you're watching nightly on MBA, TV, end or YouTube. I'm Jay skeets, and alongside me a man who I believe only made it into the starters photo booth once task Melles what a fun photo booth at our live show up. Salutes backdrops it felt like you're at the starter studio. I didn't utilize it myself personally. But I know a lot of our fans got in there and took some funny photos, and you made it in was that true. Once once or twice you got in there for for a pig. We didn't do four-man ping regret that just one for me. Okay. There's six of us. You guys were there. Okay to my right. It's the beer to one Kirby. L A. Oh, right there. That's the Ozzy with fresh new haircut. Leila friend next to him dropping him drop starters producer Mattio. God. Chest drop from the fire festival slash Kenny. Smith, parody, doc, whatever you wanna call. It the inside. Did you didn't like your take? You said on yesterday show. Killer. I think they probably could have got somebody better than what I did is what I was saying. Did you write in rocket with that? Oh my God. I don't think I don't think the facial reaction wasn't there to me. Did you guys deliver all of the lines like all three of you? I didn't partake in this because I had an ugly. I infection. Did you you do my God to lead you on? They did. And my God. I didn't do lease line though. An injury or player actually was improv too high. Credit? Without bleed off tater. Yeah. I just you know, it just came out feeling it. Okay. Finally, making all this magic happen JD. Hello there isn't here. We are. If you wanna get in touch with the show, you can't a number of ways Email us at the starters at NBA dot com. Follow us on Twitter and or Instagram at the starters or check us out on Facebook at Facebook dot com slash the starters. I guess it's official. We're now on Facebook. We should say before we dive into it here. A big thank you to everyone that did come out to our all-star Saturday night, watch party slash live recording of the drop hod cast at the unknown bring company and Charlotte. We had a blast numbers were great. What we say about three hundred. We thought we know ideas, we have no idea. But felt like that the I test it was a big space. Yeah. I mean down Trump's that there were at least three thousand right? That's right. Exactly. It was the best and biggest party ever had. But thank you so much honestly to everyone that came out. Thanks again to Oscar pope here from Turner, helping us get all that. Together. That was a big undertaking shuttle, Danny Brooke to at the audio JD would we've had a show without them. They're absolutely not. Can you can you quickly take us through what was going on because we just showed up you've been working all day on this? But we show up and we just mingling with the fans taken photo sign and babies. I mean, you know, you're up there like stressed out looking. What do you do? What's going on Matt stressed out? I like to keep it bottled up. Basically, the the the gear they sent us did work. It just did not work. Oh, so luckily, we had a DJ bad. When you're when you're when you're trying to on his show, generally speaking, it's very bad. So Brooke and Danny snapped into action. We asked the venue Fe had they happen to have a mixer lying around. They did they had to dusty old Mackie boards. They were ancient one of them. Didn't even have failures just had knobs on it old with that. But then I have no idea at least ten what guys macgyver to an end. Well, it was all broken daddy. They just they macgyver together. Yeah. Exactly. Wow. Some of the some of the tracks working on one of them. And so we daisy chained it to another. And then we sent it to the DJ's stuff. And that's how it got done. He recorded all credit. Yeah. It was it wasn't believe it top. The six phones thing. Two years ago right at another all star. Who just all talked into our cell phones, the podcast. I can't wait for next year. We're getting the nog river. Everything we say that is the question. I see a lot of people already tweeting that in are we going to do this? Again, we're going to do the all star Saturday night watch parties flash the podcast in Chicago, waking go to my old house in Lombard. Party big. It's a great idea. How far is that from out about a half hour drive depending on the highway two of the most trafficky highways are in Chicago now. So gotta leave early. Okay. Well, we'll I mean, we got long time to figure it out. But I'm sure we'll do something in twenty twenty in Chicago because that was a lot of fun again. Thanks everybody for coming up. Okay. We got we got lots of tackle here. We got we got some Staples will will fire the pun gun get completed area tweet of the week. It's back. It's back was ever gone on. Fortunately, no. Stuff on the beach, of course, to read your tweets, and your emails another great job you guys send them in. But let's look back at Thursday night last night in the association, the NBA was back. It's back. There you go. With a vengeance. Actually, some good games some fun storylines to get into here. We can start with the first game on the TNT double header. It was the bucks taking care of the Celtics wasn't a pretty game. It was not a pretty game. These teams were struggling to hit shots. There were seventy nine three point attempts in this. Buck Celtics game that both teams finish under one hundred points and not a lot of free throws. But the bucks pulled it out. They get the win Jaanus great, thirty points, thirteen boards, six assists. The bucks already tie their win total from last season is pretty amazing and fifteen seventeen they're playing great. But what did you do? Did you take away from this game? And where do you have these teams sort of falling here in the pecking order of the Eastern Conference with Philly also picking up a win without Joel beating the heat last night, you know, Celtics are in fifth bucks. Still in one is that where you think these teams are going to finish or because of the Pacers in the mix bucks, Celtics. Go up still what what what you take away from the game. And that. Question there, though, Celtics are gonna move up. That's for sure they're a good team. But they don't match up well against the bucks. I don't think anyone really matches up well against the bucks. It's just a hard hard team to stop with Johnson four shooters. You know, it was an ugly night. And Kyrie's last shot was ugly to you got it on the rim. I don't know how that happened. But he's nine for twenty six at that point question is maybe pass off. I know carries a fantastic basketball player, and he should finish all games. But it was understandable that going into that game that guys aren't in their routines. We're gonna see a little bit of ugliness. It's like starting the season again for some then played in a while most of those guys, but yeah, you look around look at the top of these conference Toronto's wanna play Milwaukee at all. No, Philly doesn't wanna play anybody. They can't beat any of those good teams. Boston's gonna struggle Milwaukee. Milwaukee should be number one with a bullet right now in the Eastern Conference and the bucks are now. Eight and three against the other quote, unquote, elite teams in the east Tronto Philly and Boston the in three that's all be especially because we talk a lot about how they haven't won a playoff series. I thought last night was kind of a playoff type of game atmosphere. The Celtics kind of coming back even just being an ugly lowest scoring. You know, more emphasis on making those big shots. And Chris Middleton hit that big three. So that was pretty impressive again in the overall scheme of things it wasn't a great game to watch. But the bucks did what I had to do to get it in the, and I think the Celtics we haven't really talked about Al Horford much this year. But he's just so important to that huge. He was the best Celtic last night. And the thing is, you know, Janas honest and oversee those contributed, but I think our whole fit if he's playing than the Celtics capable of beating anybody if he's not there, then I really think they're gonna struggle in the playoffs. Great against them beat in the last game they played against Philadelphia. He seems to be rounding into form if he's going to be as good as he was during the playoffs last year when he was really looking for his own offense and dunking on people and just being maybe the best Al Horford, we've seen that raises the Celtics ceiling, but I was very impressed with Chris Middleton didn't have a great game just five for fourteen almost disappeared in the fourth quarter. But he was there grab rebounds. He got I think maybe three boards in the fourth. And they were all like, you know, reaching way back. To snatch it from some other guy. And then when he finally gets a shot off from the topic. It was money Janas after words like we run that sort of play thousands of times and practices. I knew it was gonna make it right and he hadn't been shooting. Well, but when the money counted was money time. Counted it was money time. I mean, they hold when they call them cash when the money county ching. Yeah. It was it was legal tender. He is. Mira Tich places first game for the bucks last night as well. Why are you a couple of shots? He was like I'm shooting this. If the bull comes to me. Yeah. Eight point three boards shot to six from from from deep. But that's what I feel. They know that you don't you're not surprised because he might go six six one not and knocked in. But a couple of times the ball. He's like it wasn't even a good pass. But he just like it's going up. Right. But that's that's what he does. And it was only one game. But it looks like he's gonna take Wilson's minutes for the most part in coming up, and look, and we we all liked the the move to get Meera Tich, and what it costs them, although second round picks we like to fit. So it makes sense. He's just a he's a big that gives you a little bit defense. He scrappy on the defense talked about it after the game. And you can obviously hit the three. And now, you always have a big can space the floor for youngest to do things inside. And he did and that chase down block from is. That was a big in a game this clone that was an important play. Where so many other guys are giving up on that. I'm talking like what five minutes to go. It's a five point game. I mean, the bucks are up. I get that. But tate. I mean when Tatum catches the ball, look where Jaanus it's unbelievable. How far back he is. And covered a lot of as the ground. And what I thought appear to be a very clean chase down block. Yep. I guess Celtics fans may be complained with some body. You know, contact bull. I I before I mean, I think it was clean. I think it was the right? No, call and any any takes away two points. And again, a very very close game. It's one of those like if he wins MVP yell. See it on the other end. They didn't score play van. It'll be on the came back on the other side and hit a three pointer. So of the three possessions around that the Celtics were plus three. So I think you're right. We will see that in the NBA real because people don't enjoy the context or contact that doesn't that doesn't matter. The block was awesome. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, people are like this one the game. I didn't say I didn't have said it was midway through the quarter. Yes. But but Twitter because I posted that clip, and I would say it's fifty fifty if people dislike definitely definitely. And then other people just responding you suck. You people are not agreeing. It's just especially fifty then it's seventy thirty bucks because there's a way more Celtics fans. With under bucks fan. You know? That's the thing that people just immediately like without because he looked at over and over and over, and I'm like, that's clean. There is some contact afterwards. But the block itself you see it slowdown. He he knocks at of his hand. But then just like absolutely the Red Sox. Bring up a larger point that Celtics play the bucks real real. Well, and that's yeah. That's a good sign for them. And Gordon Hayward in there for them. That's they have the play-off experience. And that you know, what can you be Milwaukee with well to me, they just gotta get beat up in the postseason, and they kind of have to see the bright lights a little bit. And the Celtics have that over them. And I think what the wraps hope is that maybe the Celtics beat up the bucks in the first series. And then you see Yanni's down the line a little bit because they shouldn't be. But I think I think the Celtics they still have they should have the confidence that they can beat anybody. Right. You're saying that the raptors maybe even the Sixers to some extent are looking at where we where we are of right now. And this is what the idea that maybe the Pacers fall little bit. But yeah, it's bucks Celtics in a second round series. However, falls the Celtics should feel confident because they've got experience over the bucks. And this was even though they lost. This was a win for them in a way because it was in Milwaukee. They they I'm sure they go in there and say, well, we can win in this building. That's the key. I think is going to be like rap does if the bucks can win those two critical home games because they're going to have homecourt advantage. That's the big thing is I won't go on the road loss as in the playoffs and especially Boston. I know if I can steal one of those to get back home court advantage than the bucks are on the back foot. A little I've seen comparisons of this bucks team to the twenty eleven bull's team when Derrick rose was the MVP timid. Okay. Minimum was their coach. They won the Eastern Conference regular season. Great defense. Exactly best record in the league bad zero playoff wins coming into that season as well. They just had a new coach who had changed their system got them. All planned defense gave him an identity and one outstanding players. So I mean, the fact that they don't have playoff experience. No doubt. Will matter I think comply time, but all the guys that they have playing have playoff experience in general, just not altogether necessarily. So I don't think it's a crazy idea that the bucks could string together three series wins heading into this point favorites. They should be the favorites. And then they're going to end up number one. It sure seems like the other game. She wanted to keep talking about some officiating here legally that Lakers defeated the rockets won eleven one zero six cute comeback. They were down nineteen in this. And we had a LeBron activated the activation and took over and got some help Brandon Ingram. I thought it was very aggressive. Reggie bullock. Played some good d big three. They hit free throws while you can win some games. If you hit free throws turns out the Lakers, but they come back and the rockets helped out they missed tunnel shots down in the fourth. But they were super upset after this game. Hardin Chris Paul both held out rare. I mean, obviously for two superstar like players to both fell out in a game. But they did. And after the loss Hardin called referee, Scott fos. Stor rude and arrogant and said, he probably shouldn't be allowed to officiate rockets games because of a personal issue with the team. Chris Paul also said that he had that he feels that Scott foster has a personal vendetta against the rockets. Cps readmitted that he has talked to the league about foster and how he officiates himself and the rockets games previously. What did you do rockets fans have a legit? You know, what's the word? I'm gripe here this morning with how that game was officially ended. And the way Scott foster may or may not make it personal against harden. CPA three in the rockets. What do you what do you think watching that one? I would say this game in a nutshell perhaps. But the overall leda they've got nothing to complain about the rockets hot crisp will get a ton of goals a Tanaka's. Now, the fact that they got think John had four office the offensive last night. That was the he get a couple of were. He gets a million Coles way, these ones didn't go his way don't think it's very faith him to then say the reaction be allowed to referee games. Chris Paul said stuff before that rests. I can't remember her name. Learn Holtkamp said he doesn't want refugees they blew in nineteen point late and a game they should have one. And I both out at the end. When when I blew it, really, the rockets blew it. And then they call the referees. I just don't think they can really say that considering how many calls go their way and have gone there white throughout the course of the season. This this not didn't go away and they're angry, and they're frustrated. I thought most of the offense afoul calls. We're legit on hardened. Two of them were for. He's bringing the ball up according to smack in the guy's hand off, they'll call it. Sometimes one time he hit Rondo in the nose. So if you guys face you're going to get called profile, the Kouzmin one, I thought was pretty brutal LeBrun that was kind of a bang bang. But coups my thought slid under after harden was already. A little we're ninety set the pick and kind of push the guy into harden and harden kinda got called for those weird is that what Casey p was that one. That was the defender. Yeah. It was a second. Whatever it was. Yeah. Okay. So strange foster bad calls foster called eighteen fouls last night in this game twelve against the rockets and six against the Lakers. Okay. And if you look back because they say like look anytime we play a game. With Scott foster. We lose since the start of last season. This is coming by way of ESPN the this stat, but the rockets are six and six games officiated by Scott foster since the start of last season. Oh and three in the playoffs last postseason and then one in one this season. So they had a solid record is what I'm getting at last year. When Scott foster was on the call just don't think team that gripes right after a regular season game has a good thing going in that locker room. They just put it away. Just seal it with a kiss for the residents. Like, look, we blew into some tough calls some controversial offensive foul calls, but we did blow in nineteen point lead. And we went to for twelve in the fourth quarter from three, and we just, you know, a classic rockets meltdown where we just can't really hit threes. I don't see definitely doesn't do any good complaining to the media, and especially especially after nineteen point loss. I just don't think it really bodes well for what's going on in that locker room. Like if you if you're venting. To me. It just means that. You're not you're not ready for the big postseason run. I know I'm being the the audio language doctor here, but I'm okay with with doing that right now. It just doesn't seem to me like they got it all together there at this point. And it feeds into things too because they're gonna see Scott foster, again, it's not likely that the NBA takes completely off of rockets game. So Scott foster, we'll hear these comments. He'll be saying I'm not rooting era Ghent. I'm just calling on guys who are doing a lot of filing and he's gonna call some more calls against them. And clearly the rockets will show up. See Scott foster on the roster foster roster and our thinking we're screwed again. And then they go into that game anticipating every call going against them anything. That's fifty fifty. That Scott foster calls they're going to get really upset. Throws you off your game. Yeah. We should point out. You know, it's not just the rockets who thinks foster is beneficial. There's many many players and coaches across the league. In fact, the Los Angeles Times back in two sixteen. They had a survey, and they ask some players and coaches, Scott foster was. Picked as the worst referee by a significant margin. I think the biggest thing was Scott foster. The pisses people off is that he does not like to if a call is made he doesn't want to hear from you. He doesn't you know, you might want the explanation. You may wanna talk to about it. He can't stand chatty is like Mexico, and he gets out. He doesn't wanna talk. Obviously the league foul differently. I mean that he's been around for so long years. And so all they serve is and things like that and giants hot and cold him out. If the NBA says, you know, what those goals will find people didn't like you. We think you're a good riff, then it's not going to change anything. I mean, the six and twelve that you said like, it should never be non non like it shouldn't be a hang on. Hemi Kohl's vomit on them. I go to make a few more in them. I mean, if that's the coals that he might and it was six twelve in favor of the Lakers. That's the way goes. I mean 'cause I had it when people oh, the they got eight thousand this team only got six thousand. That's how it goes in Basel. It's not like we would call one fell on them. So go to make sure we get one back at the other end. Yeah. It's a it also is tough to sympathize with the rockets of any team in the league about officiant. That's just the unless you're rockets fan. And then. Yeah. Of course, you're going to go to bat for your team. But outside of that, you're just like this team this team. Is complaining about some some calls in a game. Where again, they just had a complete meltdown and didn't get to the free throw line in the fourth had a bunch of turnovers. No, yes. Some of those the offense of fouls didn't get enough of rebound in the fourth quarter. Like they played poorly. I mean every time I looked it was like just Gerald green jacking up a three and missing or Austin rivers driving into nobody. Like, it wasn't pretty. I mean, they blew the game. They helped the Lakers they helped give it to them. And yes, got foster made some banks or a fifty fifty calls didn't go your way. But at the same time, you get a lot of calls from the Lakers side Bron didn't have out of this world game. And that's what we kind of expected that they needed to go down the stretch. But they got a really good game for Brandon Ingram. Who's starting as a quote unquote point guard was aggressive. Yes. Twenty seven to thirteen played forty one minutes. It's a good side. Will that keep up is the question we go win. Lebron goes to the media and says our young guys just gotta get better. He's talking about Brandon Ingram primarily I would. Say in Lonzo ball to to some other degree, but Lonzo ball's not gonna be around for a little while longer. They desperately need. Brandon Ingram to be really good because the schedule is really really tough for them. But they needed night in night knows nicest Reggie Bullock, then acquisition bang home some threes for them. All yes. To do. It's funny with the Lakers we've been talking about their playoff chances over the last couple of days on the show. But this I think is like in the you know on the shortlist for their Lakers win of the season, right or most important type of win of the season. But then when you go back and look at the other other games that you could include on that list. It's what happened after that gives you pause of this comeback winning. It's rockets when I mean by that is they beat the they beat the warriors on Christmas date that was a big win. And this when they were rolling a little bit more, and they fall that one up losing five or six, and then what was it weeks ago against Boston? Basically that was the big comeback Rondo game winner. You're like, oh, my goodness is huge. And they follow that one up by losing. Okay. To the Sixers, and then they lose to hawks before we get. Into the to the all star break. So can like does that happen again here after this big big win big comeback against the rockets elegance next. Well, that's right. I think they have to win for the next five games. I do untested. I disagree a little bit on how many games it'll take to get into the playoffs, but they have the play in Orleans against pelicans. They play in Memphis grizzlies. Then they play the pelicans again at home, they play the bucks at home and they play in Phoenix. I was lying about the schedule being tough. It's nice. It's nice. It gets crazy. Then it gets. That's why I think these you have to pick four of these five wins. I really truly believe that. Now, some of that depends on how the kings clippers do I get that? But you know, kings have played well and lost again to the warriors, and buddy he'll got shoot that from thirty feet my man, but they they're playing at least the test says I play a little bit better than sometimes the Lakers are at least from game to game. So yeah, I this is important four or five here to me to me, especially you, see Memphis and Phoenix on the. Schedule. Those are must wins at this point. This is a twenty five game playoff for the Lakers last night was when you start. But you gotta take it one game of game at a time winning against the rockets doesn't matter if you can't beat the pelicans team that has been struggling and clearly in turmoil. You gotta beat them twice. You gotta beat the grizzlies. Gotta beat the Suns because you know, you just gotta stack up those numbers. You gotta get to whatever numbers actually gonna get into playoffs for Fatima. Fatima? See that's the thing. So yeah, I think so forty five forty six because if you look back at the Western Conference over the last five seasons last year, it took forty seven wins to get in. Now. That's that's obviously a ton the year before that forty one wins before that forty one wins here before that forty five wins than the year before that forty nine wins. So on average just using the last five years approximately forty five wins forty five forty six win that's sort of your magic number. And if that's the case then. Yeah. Lakers got win sixteen of their last twenty four years. They got to kill these bad teams because you know, if you look at their last week or two of their regular season. It's murderers row of really good Western Conference teams. And no one killed. They do it. No, one cares about the clippers in the eight seat. We all talk. And they're in the ninth seed, the clippers holder on destiny, they control it. And they've got an easy scared. The rest of the way as well. According to the shoe, man, he's there's twenty three games left for them. They got a lot of home games remaining. They should be able to make it do they want to because because the way they trade. Device and then the whole thing with the pick. I mean, that's that is something for sure that pick goes to the Celtics if they are not in the lottery, it's there's if they are. So I mean falling out of the playoffs actually is beneficial to them in terms of keeping the pick. Because that pick also doesn't that turn into like to second? Not even like on another like, I that's why matter matters. It wouldn't matter if it was the other way. But yeah, they have one more game between the the Lakers and the clippers and it'll be purple and gold on the floor in staple center. So that that game will matter a lot at the beginning of March, but clippers they can do it if they want they really they can you are right though. We've sort of like narrowed it down to like vol. It's the kings of the Lakers. And that's what people want. Yeah. I definitely want as fans you generally don't want a team with the biggest stars Lou Williams out there. Right. Yeah. Well, and then they trade at their best player. Yeah. A big thing. People assume they're going to be dropping out, but they're still rocking though. Yeah. And I was gonna say to like teams in the sixth and seventh seed you've got in front of you. I think your task but like Spurs jazz like they're not like they're not six games clear of anyone else. I mean, it's you go on a bad run. You suffer a bad injury to your star players in trouble. And then even the Tim rules are like hanging onto the Lakers. I mean, learn what they're like maybe a game in half back in them. So there are still a lot of teams in the mix here. I guess things can change very easily from in two weeks about who's a legitimate chance. You still think you're heart-to-heart says LeBron is taking the Lakers into the playoffs. Like he's getting them in. The sixth seventh rates, and it's unfortunate that there's twenty four games left for them. If this was like a seven game little stretch here. It's easy to bet on bronze health, right? Twenty four games. Are we going to how many games with TNT Rondo? Are we gonna get I don't know three four five. So. Yeah. And you can't bet on Ingraham to be great. You can't bet on a ball. When it comes back to be great. And I think the rockets are bad matchup for them. You know, they can't really play Tyson Chandler all that much. So this should they should make it. But who the heck knows it's easy to forget. They didn't have their best player for a quarter of the season. And that's why they're in this position. Otherwise, their playoff too. I threw up one of our little mini office debate questions topics that we were talking about the other day through it up on Twitter. You wanna talk about people being divided over this one. So I put up would it be weirder slash worse is how I worded for LeBron to just miss the player. Offs entirely. So the Lakers don't get in or sneak in. Let's say with the eight seed, okay? It's got to be the seed and hypothetically playing the warriors and get swept which one is weirder or worse to a LeBron. You know, big picture sort of legacy thing. I think it's an interesting debate. Is it get in? I think it gets wet or is it actually miss it. F- LeBrun misses the playoffs. That is crazy. We were using flip phones the last time. Lebron wasn't. We had the sidekick, you know, you'd flip it up to actual physical. Keyboard. You could click it incredible. Yes. A physical keyboard. Yes. Yeah. I do think I didn't like the side king. It was so cool. Looking flip it up. Twain way taking pictures, but I don't know, isn't it. It's on a flip phone. Well, maybe it's a pivot phone. I don't know. Pivots up. Pivots gone in the NBA the pave it's gone phone. I never had one of those phones never had a flip phone or pivot phone or you just live straight smart guy. I was I didn't have a cell phone until the iphone three or something. Really? Yeah. Wow. That's waiting until they perfected it, actually. Until keyboard. Strange take pictures with it. That's actually, very smart. And now, you're never going back. Now, you are. So what do you say? I think it would be weirder. If LeBron doesn't make the playoffs, but if he somehow has eight straight playoff losses, 'cause you know, going back the last was a sweep that's crazy too. I I agree though. I think it's the playoffs. Because at least you think maybe he can do something crazy in the place. Even though it's against the warriors. You just say I'm giving you what happened? Know, but I'm just saying like still it's going to be weird. Or if it's the playoffs start on. It's like LeBron's not even. Yeah. That's you know, it's because what if they're all like to point game three point games, you know. And it's like man LeBron. I don't know the only thing that's funny to me is like task said it's like at least if they don't make the playoffs. It's well he missed a quarter of the season with his groin injury. You know, maybe MRs even more time dies missing classes, far worse. It's far because you can get in the playoffs. And there's an excuse for them. All the brunt doesn't have any teammates. So they can lose to the warriors. You're saying he still drag them to the. I wouldn't even gonna make it. But LeBron did it. They ran away. I'm not ready to see LeBron tweets and may. Yeah. Usually go silent during play. But if he's out I guess, I'll just be sitting back watching as we have all the rest of us. I think that might be weirder. It will be strange if he is left of the verbs road because he's never even lost a first round. Right. So but maybe last year set us up for being slipped in the first round because it took seven games against the Pacers. I so what we need is to get seventh-place in place. Everybody thinks men if the Lakers get to seventh in the nuggets or two there's going to be so many people picking LeBron. Yeah. So that's what we wanna see. That's what you wanna say. I'd rather that than the warriors. Okay. Okay. Intrigue of a series. Exactly. And then let let the scrappy kings. Let's say whoever it would be. Maybe it's the Spurs of that point take on the mighty warriors kings Moresby, great in the fish played four awesome. Yes. Regular season just can't beat them. And you sort of mentioned there like last night with buddy, buddy. It got any head. Yeah. Sorry by a fly, man. Yeah. He was deep. He was very very. I think he might lead the league in like super bomb threes like he's out safer. It's something like that. I mean, I know there's Lillard and career and stuff, but it's buddies on the short list of guys that can hit very very deep three. Yeah. You gotta let that go. Get lead the league in a cyst though because bugged down bogdonovich who's hit game winners for that. Team. Was why everybody got into the lane. He was right there. He was shook. Whoa. I'm really open here. Well, I'm also really deep. I don't know if my coach wants to shoot it this way. All right. Let me drive into the defense. And then yes in throw up garbage, right? Was who has lost six? It would have been nice if the kings ultimately do make the playoffs as the if they had gotten one win that would have been just sort of made a little more intriguing. I played them close. Surprise at least talk yourself into a game or two. But yeah, I still wanna boogie coming back to Sacramento for a playoff series. That'd be burning. Yeah. Baron versus Paul Millsap again. Into the Lakers. Has struggles against look around and fast. That's what is that. What does he own sixteen against tough still never won wanna game? Yeah. I'm well twice. The hawks got sweats because Horford did finally get right? Well, the Lakers. I did miss this game. They play ethic clippers April fifth. That's a big one at the right at the end of the season. That's their eightieth on the floor. Yeah. Read what what type of blue? Is that blue? Steely blue steely blue Bluey, Danny? But there's lots of the games that LeBron take off as kind of said this week, which which was odd. He's not kind of said he said that it's off for me to have to turn it up this early into season. February I got play hard. That was refreshing. How he put it everyone's thinking it. Yup. I turn it up here. We all know that they don't have to try for eighty two games. That's LeBron made that even clear, but there are plenty of games as we mentioned a couple of the pelicans a grizzlies. He plays the son. He plays the bowls. He plays. They've lost to the cat Hornets. The Knicks they've lost to the hawks schedule. These are not gimmes the needs to still ball out. I think because he's yeah. I mean, LeBron's can be fine. But the consistency of Ingram being aggressive every night of guy like Reggie, Bullock and heart coming in playing good defense in and hidden shot like from game to game that that changes. I mean, there's it's not consistent. So yeah, it's fun that the play offs have started for a couple teams already. I liked that. Because it makes a lot more entertaining from night tonight here because sometimes we get into like the little doldrums of the regular season. After the all star. We have our own tournaments single the nation here in March love it. Let's get to this little bit of news before we get to the week. According to USA today, the NBA has formally proposed changing the. Draft eligible age requirement from nineteen to eighteen to the National Basketball players association. USA today. Sending a source says the union and its executive director Michelle Roberts plan to review the proposal at their post all-star break meeting, which is going to happen. Coming up on Monday. The timing of the formal proposal is not related. Okay. I want to get this out there. It's not related to the knee injury suffered by Zion Williamson on Wednesday night in that Duke UNC game when shoo blew up and he tweaked his knee. They're saying it's a mild sprain grade one which is great. Though, they're saying that it's not connected at all. But might as well be. But what what what do you think about this? This is not new news because we had heard about this at least a year ago about the idea of them bringing getting rid of the one in done, maybe trying to have it in place by twenty twenty two the draft that you know, you come straight out of high school. Are you a fan of this getting rid of the one and done? What's your take on this? Yeah. I think the NBA far better place than they were in two thousand five when they changed it from the one year rule from the high school rule to the one year role leagues places far as having a G league having a place where guys can go develop immediately. They're you know, much more closer than bay teams are to their to their G league affiliates. And I think. They're in a better place in terms of educating their players, not screwing up being great with their money. Look at all the the young players of young crops of the several years back. They're doing well. So I think that's important. I think, you know, design Williamson things important the NC double A and how they don't pay their players as important but getting their own house, right? Was also important. Yeah. The one and done was a joke because people went learning and going college, and and getting an education, I would just doing it because they had to do it before they play in the NBA. So you might as well scrap it if it's not going to be done properly and get these guys getting paid quicker because I deserve it. I'm in favor of a development stage because most excuse me. Chassis to focus se your flip phone. Development staying. Eighteen year old kids on emotionally all or physically mature enough to play in the league. But if you can box than you than you deserve to go and get well it was announced in October. If you remember that starting this summer two thousand nineteen the G league is going to offer like what they're calling quote, unquote. Select contracts worth of leave one hundred twenty five thousand dollars to any elite prospect who are at least eighteen years old that don't want to that are not yet eligible for the NBA draft. But don't wanna go the college wrote because you're not forced to go to college. You hear people say that? No, you're not talking about a leap ass brawlers. You just can't go play in the NBA. Yes. You don't got to go to college. If you don't want to you forced to. But you know, a lot of these guys choose to I think I would we see I mean, it's not going to hurt your only help Zion Williams are shared. I mean, I don't think we can disagree with that. Outside of the mild knee spring now, but you can go and other leaving oversee your guys have done this. It's just you couldn't go to the, and that's why that it should be getting it should get rid of. It was sort of always silly. I get at the time. Like, you're saying, maybe why the league thought this was the best bet and silvers, changed course on this. I mean, he talked about making a two years if you remember that you got to you know, you gotta be even older to play in the NBA. And now, he's changed course, and say, no, if you're ready, we think we now have that sort of infrastructure in place that we can help these young people manage money get adapt to the NBA life and just become a pro. Yep. And we see every single game that high school players play. It's not a mystery anymore. Like Kwami Brown was a little bit of a mystery. Like, yeah, he was the number one player in the nation. But he has games weren't on TV. You could see every single Williamson highlight from when he was sixteen on we've seen LeBron James juniors. Very first dunk of his life, which is really weird to think about it. The players are identified. Early. They're ready to make money. What's the right? The other words, some part isn't design Williamson's of the world. Of course, they're gonna come in. And be fined the worst part is more like the quantities or the guys who just aren't ready. But now they have somewhere to develop with the G league. And if it becomes less taboo, which I think it likely will become less taboo to actually have to play in the G league a little bit or to develop their a little bit. If it just becomes sort of commonplace. You do get paid. You do play. It is sort of part of the NBA. It's not like this league that Chandler Parsons thinks it's is in Siberia somewhere. Then it should that is exactly why why they feel comfortable I think doing it because they feel comfortable with the G league being that the other thing with playing in the G league. If you go that route is there are no restrictions, like NCAA's amateurism rules of you can't have you can't have an agent. You can't profit off your likeness. You can't do all your marketing opportunity. You can't make money. Yes. Stuff like that. You could do that you could. And you like that to me is the biggest thing was college sports that angers me. Definitely look they bring in tons of money. I get like whether or not they should be paid a chunk of that. That's a fair to bait. But then it's like so now, you gotta pay every single college athlete like what do you do? Or is it just a percentage? But to the bigger part is like I'm Zayn Williamson. I can't use my likeness to make more money because I'm saying. Williamson and shoot heels. And whatever that that kind of crazy to me like they can't even accept a meal and stuff, but you know, like, that's how crazy is that? It's not like you can sign a ten million dollar endorsement deals like he can't accept any sort of gift oil, or, you know, anything free from anybody because then that can ruling ineligible, which is just stupid. So we got his head shaved and somebody put an illustration in the back of his head, and he would have to say no you'd be suspended haircut. Just like you can go down to the canteen and get a free meal. Not on Thursdays. That's just for. So we talk about like first round draft picks being gold in today's NBA. Well that twenty twenty two first round pick up. I mean, that's what's better than gold. Some of it. I don't know. What is that? That is because now it'll be a shirt. Yeah. It'll be like Tony making nuclear weapons the resale value on that very it'll be open to high school kids, and you're going to double the crop. There. We need somebody to be the first guy who goes to the G league and becomes a star and people wanna buy G league jerseys, and they're just setting honestly the league on fire like Zion limps and had gone to the this year. And he was doing exactly what he did at Duke. That would be awesome. People would care so much about the G league. People will be watching the G league showcase on NBA TV. We'd be pulling up G league highlights. Like, I don't know what. Somebody by a red vipers jersey are Matt jersey. Yeah. How to have the one time that like the best player in the nation happens to be playing in the G league Fantoni? It's interesting. I'm not sure a hundred percent agree with like your theory. Like if. The other guys will do it. Yeah. I think you're dreaming a little too big right now, it's hard to imagine Williamson in their use need like Brandon Jennings or somebody somebody who shouldn't have gone to the NBA early did or some somebody like that, you know, middle of the road guy. Maybe. Yeah. It'll be cool to get it aggressee hydrazine. Somebody somebody sort of MO are middle road. Like he could have been. Williamson sponge, Bob square. I just he just doesn't think it's cool at this. But the middle of the road, go isn't going to have that captivation that Zion would have if zion's playing people that meant you check out these guy Z league exactly, of course, if Jordan plan to Juliet, it'd be awesome. But I just don't know when hopefully that'd be cool. All right. Let's get to the week. If you're buying sneakers online. There's more than a coin flips chance that the shoe. You're looking at is fake. How can you be sure? It's real goat dot com is the safest way to buy and sell authenticity NICO's online. They're the largest marketplace in the world for authentic easies Jordan's and over six hundred thousand sneaker listings, they've made the whole process Fritsch endless and trustworthy with over half. 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Go to bollandbranch dot com today for fifty dollars off your first set of sheets, plus free shipping with promo code NBA. Spelled B O L L, andbranch dot com. That's Boll and branch dot com. Promo code NBA. From the hang time podcast. Join me, and my main man John Shuman every week as we break down, the latest, NBA, news and storylines with. Yes. From around the league, be sure to subscribe to NBA hang time on apple podcast Spotify. An NBA dot com slash podcast for new episodes every Monday and Thursday this season. Please gentlemen. Vo worst of the week. Four nominees. Let's start it off with repeat nominee. Mike boot and Holzer Mike got it last week while more time Mike during the all-star draft team Jaanus made a trade for Russell Westbrook in part to unite him with his rival Joel Embiid because Yannis Gupo said it's all about love, and he wanted Russ in MB to smooth it over and then boot and Holzer didn't play them together. Ninety even one minute. Maybe boot holes was trying to never get this gig again because he did have plans to go to Costa Rica for all star week. And then he got the job. So maybe just doesn't wanna come back but play them together. That's what everybody wants to see. You're right. Some degree except maybe those two guys who cares sort of double down on. Yeah. Just like for each other to be you're talking about Saturday at media shock and beat was asked you wanna play with rest Westbrook. He's like, I don't like anybody. I I don't to me. It would have been like Westbrook and Durant on the all star team. They would have been lovey-dovey. They would have been guarding each other had a little funny fun. It's next question. I think too right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe keeping a planet. Cool. Could you? I was supposed to be in Costa Rican wanna deal with this sit on your other side of the bed. Like, I could be holding swath, right? Instead, I gotta be in YouTube. Next Puma, the sporting apparel company after Williamson's injury blowing through that Nike shoe Puma tweeted wouldn't have happened in the Puma that's their their their slogan. Currently Marcus cousin said it before. But the tweet tweeden stay very long they deleted it lame weak keep it up. I think first of all to question the two a two parter here. Yes. Keep it up and second. I don't think it's distasteful. I think what they worried about. They posted it, and then, you know, because you see the shoe part, and the shoe part was crazy. I mean, it's sort of funny. And like, wow, I just went through shoes guy is Bo Jackson. But then it's like, oh is he is he out for like the rest of his season of his careers that bad. That's probably why they took it down. Right. Yeah. Media reaction. Like, hey shoes. Don't do that little. Yeah. If he if he just sort of goes in China, shoes and goes out and plays in probably stays up. So what is is Puma selling their shoes on this idea that they could never they're indestructible? No. It's just going with the slogan. What happens when someone wears poom is and they blade or break. What happens? People are start smelling it p o and. And you don't think that would be good for business issues. Stick. Funky. I think that'd be good for his brand. It's a little I think it's just a little weird. You come at the king you best. Not miss kind of thing. You're setting yourself up for a moment where your shoe Puma shoelace gets untying. Fairly anybody whereas Puma no-one's blowing through a don't belting. Listen, you take a chance I think how many times. Happen to Matt Bonner? It's rose thrill blow through his shoe or did it like. Tony wrote. And he had like an ancient parish bottom fell off new parents weren't they can't trust new bounce. Well, but Matt didn't Bonner have those shoes for like a decade or something like that? Yeah. He wore them because they start making. But also there was talk about Zion. Williamson wearing that you for months, apparently which for a big man like switch up your shoes, I stopped on the dime eve Ritz right through. It was crazy. They did look a little bit used. Next one the NBA too many nights without games. Just schedule some. Okay. Everybody gets off Friday Saturday Sunday Monday can start working on Tuesday, schedule schedule a couple of games, you know, at the beginning of schedule schedule a couple of games that aren't gonna have many representatives from them like, you know. Magic magic goals or magic because we know the NBA fan will eat up any MB you're saying we're gonna Charles game on Tuesday night. We're watch very least Winston Siam's from the trade deadline. Those useless trade deadline, and then the all-star draft and all in that night was to then plus, however, many games that's good point to make. Wednesday. I think keep the Tuesday free the Wednesday with the Wednesday. I'm watching UNC Duke. Like, I watched that for thirty five seconds still Zion went down. All right. I'm I'm sure that's scheduled for that reason. Well, and the other thing is that we back in the office and skeets trae and JD we're going so Teep into survivor too, man. I was back today. We're going to watch. This season. I did read that articles good article in was that observer. Yeah. I got another one here. Anthony Davis after the trade. Request gone terrible. Davis should've spent the all star break rehabilitating, his image and keeping the trade talk to a minimum. Instead, he told NBA TV. He didn't specify the Lakers. He said all twenty nine teams could be trade partners with New Orleans. Okay. Sure. Then he said this, quote, I will always have love for the city of New Orleans when that time comes I'm going to definitely have a heart warming message for them and put it out on Instagram like everybody else does. Very funny Hornish on this forty. No, he wasn't. Felt. That's very funny. He's acting essentially or into like everybody who gets trade does that. But he's acting like. He's he got off Scot free from the trade deadline. He's got to rehabilitate his image to some degree and some of its on clutch forts hundred percent, but you can't screw up lean into the villain role. Embrace it. He's not ready for it. Personality. Yeah, exactly he doesn't. He doesn't have much of a personality for either being a good guy or bag. Not lot there. He's pretty simple. So so you're saying you don't have high hopes for this heart warming, Instagram. Div he'll going fake deep on the Graham. I do think that clutch sports got off a little sort of Scott free in this because they made that public trade request. It wasn't Anthony Davis and Davis came out and claim that it wasn't a public request. But a reporter called and asked Rich, Paul. Hey, hey, would you do in Rich Paul responded? Yeah. It was a trade. Of course. So you know, whether that happened or not sports didn't shouldn't come out of this cleanly either. I mean, they kind of they didn't miss up in this. But AD. I don't know if he wants to fire clutch sports, but you know, he's got a clean it up to some degree. Somebody's gotta be cleaning it, but isn't ask do over all star weekend. Like people were looking at all the comments eighty made. And the that he was trying to take back control of sort of the gover- sation about him because it's been clutch sports. It's been his dad's things, and it hasn't been a lot from eighty himself. But just made it worse with some of these specifically, I guess he could have been trying to clean it up with the twenty nine teams. But it's not because everybody knows LA was his number one focus. So it's not cleaned it up. I think it's just murky waters even a little bit more. If you fire your agent that could be cleaning it up. Then you're saying Hello LeBron. I'm stepping up to you agent. Just got him on LeBron James the shot. Okay. Was that just I know that's coming tonight. Right. No march. I thought it was merch. I I. Shot or was it shot. It was shown was it showed overall. I think so. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. When they're together. Yeah. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. So I think I'm much. I was just announcing that does make sense they recorded over the weekend. That's. Shop. How many there's a lot of personalities than that one? Right. It's like chains. It'll be there. Yeah. They're like Tonio Brown. Yeah. With his blond mustache, see, a blond mustache have. You not seen his luck. I I mean, I guess I'm not up to date. It's it's amazing. He's died. Just he has like sort of a full beard, but he died just the mustache part. Whole Cogan Lund. Interesting. It's a look Jamie FOX to he's in. Nick mill Android Carmichael. Oh my goodness. It was definitely overall start because I saw Jamie Foxx. Pre all star game put down his jacket and was fire in threes. Susan good straw, take him. Yeah. Me fox. Okay. Yeah. Because it was as everyone knows every twenty I was a strain heritage. Philadelphia. And so they celebrated having some events. Ben Simmons a golden a an green shoe. He makes that up and they celebrate by having a meat pie eating contests. Halftime. And then they also had an strutting rules team. Put on a clinic at halftime it was. However, there was outrage outrage on the community because on the NBA app. It said the official title was hawks rugby show skills at heritage in Philly. There's no more heat is crime. Trulia to say Ozzy rules is rugby and people were just outraged. Do so what do you the app? I guess so. Yeah. Because that's. Because that's. Rugby plan rugby we can find that person that edited then. Either passing forward, and does it ever go the other way do people call rugby accidentally Ozzy rules? I mean, I don't know. I mean, it's never happened to me. Yeah. I've never heard it. Because every time people say, oh, man rugby, I don't know about rugby. And I'm like, I don't know them. Follow it. To the untrained eye of person could know the difference between Australian rules football me. I mean, they completely different because rugby you moving backwards as you move forward. Whereas rules. It's just always like you could see why these guys are out there hitting the ball kicking the ball. I assume I didn't see it clipper anything right doing at halftime playing. I get it. We we've now got the the ball. Yeah. We got the share in here in the studio improved a lot to thank you Drink, Man. Oh, man outside you're going to. Let's see if you were like some of worked for the NBA after you're like, I see a ball that is shaped very similar to rugby ball. And they just run the they're not playing a game is my point just passing it around. I mean that looks like right. We I guess I guess if you just care all just assume that. It's like confusing baseball. Cricket to me. Like, totally different. They both use these balls. They're playing in a big different bat. I know. But that's that's how that's how it's it's ridiculous. But that's the people do it. Yeah. I mean, there's nothing. Better. That you have the cricket. You have the physical those things. Go get wickets. That's right there. That's what I'm point. Is that? It's that's how ridiculous it is mixing. Right. Be. And I think I'm bringing up the wicket because Ozzy rules and rugby look ally, similar ause again, people think outside of Australia, not everybody, obviously. But they just think that is called like it's a version of rugby. That's right. That's what I think it is just a version of rugby hasn't anything? Well, you know what they do? It's not no more. I think they should give Australian rules football and name footy. Okay. But. Ace ball's name basketball's an aim but Australian rules. Yeah. They had the chance Victoria rules changed to Australia Victorian football league was always a strain and rules that Victorian football league was called. So thought he is what is what it is. But now that gets kind of into soccer games worldwide that are called football. Yeah. Four four if you count throw bowl from here. Excuse me. Throw ball American football throw ball. Yeah. Houston. No. He sees three somewhere. Soccer American football Ozzy rules football. What's the fourth? Right. I thought you were saying. Let's call American football through the worst thing. You can call the NFL throw ball. NT L national throw. But that's the that's the lease rights to be going football agree. Just the National League. We already. Snakes are. Okay. So a lot of worst will find out the true winter on tonight at six PM eastern on MBA TV. Let's hit the b. Welcome to. Big break. Okay. We're go to the beach. And then I was like did we do Luik try to? No, more penis crimes in calling. Each. Reading your tweets and reading emails, I got a couple here. We've got I wanna hear from Daniel from Ireland. Hi, guys, absolutely loved the show and all the work. You guys do with the trade deadline, well and truly past the most and most players having been picked up off of waivers. There's been a lot of player movement, particularly over the last three NBA seasons in free agency, and the trades waiver wire and all that this is a pain. I fans looking to cop a player's jersey. But then the player may leave within a year or two. So my question is what NBA players jersey, should I get that? I can be confident that he'll stay with his team. Love the show Daniel wants to jersey, but he wants to be confident that that that player players not leaving Lillard Lillard hat player. I don't think he's leaving Poland. He's going to get the contract. He's still got a couple of years. I think, but he's doesn't seem the sort of guy to me who would want to go and join another team of the stop. I mean, there's a few small applies. Maybe he'll be around. But I would say if you're looking for big name, go Lillard. I go bigger. I say, yes. Get a debt. He's not going anywhere. I don't think maybe I'm just writing high because the bucks are playing. Well, but he seems like he's a, you know, more of a small market. He doesn't care to go play in the big markets. Now, I think he may change the spelling of his last name back to the the Nigerian spelling when he was a just a young pup. And he's playing coming out as a player. It was ADT. Okay. You be oh, there's a couple of extra letters the Greeks love extra. Either way jersey. Bellingham his name, and you get more bang for your buck. Couple extra letters that to find a longer name than the Kubo that's impossible for shorter one. Yeah. Steph curry ain't leaving the warriors jersey knob before they build a statue. I thought the NBA if you buy fischel MBA jersey and your player gets traded. That's right. You can like get basically swap it in like get the nearest insurance by NBA dot com. Maybe forever or or it's bad. It's within. Well, that's why this question is relevant now because you can completely change the jersey. Now once you own your talking about Commissioner over. Future. Yeah. We saw this. This was cool silver. He gave us a sneak peek into the future of jerseys at least during last week's NBA all star technology summit, he demonstrated a smart jersey. They can have the name and number displayed on them changed through through an app. Did you guys see this clip? It was with the moderate my main man in the Jordan just yet. Yeah. And no details were shared actually this. We'll actually work. But it was look if five six seven whatever how many years now, you could do it. I mean, it'd be pretty amazing like your jerseys like I'm rocking occurring warriors jersey. And I'm like, you know, what I want to cheer for clay tonight. Punctuated by app, and there you go, but doesn't that just kill jersey sales? I'm just gonna buy one every jersey for the rest of eternity. Well, discharge the cost ten times the amount though of a thousand thousand bucks via kids in exactly. No, you're that's a good point. What's what's going to happen? To is. We're going to have these smart jerseys who's to say suddenly second quarter break this segment brought to you by Budweiser back of your jersey changes to grab a cold one. Grab a bud. You know advertising right there. If we're at the point where we can easily change the name in the number of jersey isn't the jersey the least of our problems like couldn't I just print one every time I wanted to go out or something printer. Yeah. Fits the future. Just seems weird that we're still, you know, I gotta by Rick. Let's wasteful. You can recycle the jerseys. Okay. Yeah. By the way, I would double side print them. Okay. Reversible. You can only do the back though, at least in that video. Not not change in the front. I guess so minimum. If you wanna have a jersey of every player, you gotta by thirty smart Jersey's one for every team. And then you can just swap out the players, I guess people in the comments on some of these post like, oh, this is really ultimate bandwagon fan like outta here. It's like, no. I mean, if you can't change the front, then this is actually for the diehard fan of my opinion, because it's like again, if I'm a fan and a McClay fan, and then new guy comes in like, hey, I want to rep for the rookie tonight. You know, that's to me the cool part of this. It's like you're just changing whoever it was on the back of your did they do this on purpose to they not explained it on purpose. Just so people talk about it Bill. Bill. Over didn't say a word up there. Right silent actor. Very exaggerated movements press that button on a smartphone, which didn't do anything and then walk that. Yeah. I think the whole thing is like because he also talked about like eventually fans will gain entry into games through facial recognition, and they'll be hologram hologram, excuse me, mascots like super out there things. So mascots no way. Not you need the real thing, man. What's the difference? Everything's already simulation. It's not it's not reading. Touching people on the shoulder scaring them that. I don't think hologram. We'll be able to haul. It's going to feel like touching you. Really? Yeah. Goes fine. Man, you prepare ghost to a holiday. Yes. Hologram. People people being changed Jozies for years. You know, you see the type on the back. This is basically the same thing. Raptors fans with taxes turning them into injures getting very creative. What took so long though? Because like, okay. So we can change jersey. Oh, we don't have this. I know what is taking even this long because in the nineties we had, hyper color shirts, you could change the color of your shirt just putting your hand on it. Yeah. And then for the past twenty five years nothing until now we can change the number on the back. How come I can't go from wearing a plaid shirt wearing a striped shirt? Well, really the technology exists quick change. But that actually changing clothes you should be able to change your clothes without without changing your clothes. Yeah. I mean, it's out there. You know? Now, it's a little bit of a Trenton to is those pillows and I've seen them on sweaters to where it's sequence. So it's like if you slap all the sequence. If you rub them all one way like Roseanne. And then if you go the other way, it says all day, it's not they'd probably says something. Like on one side. It says like don't talk to me unless I've had my coffee. Okay. What was the point? Because. Where on one of the sides, it usually has a dirty word or something. You know, what I mean like this clean? But then once your parents are gone you wrote. Now, you gotta swear word now people think you're cool. So you want NBA jersey sequent, see they call it. The Neil diamond collection. I don't mind future looks great. Next one here, spicy take. If Ben Simmons never really develops his shot. What's the difference between him and Draymond green dream on is a little less flashy, but his affective with his playmaking? Also, a better defender he scores lesser now because he has an abundance of elite shooters even without Dray shot. He can still score with the quick drive and finish around the rim. Whenever he wants. This is from Rome Schanzer on an Indian grad student writing in Ben Simmons essay, and you know, what's the difference between him and Draymond green. Really when you get down to brass tacks. I don't think he's given Ben Simmons enough credits. Dray doesn't score around the room because he can't score. Like Ben Simmons around the room who's only been in the league year and a half Andrey has been around for a long time. It's not just because dre has shooters around him. But then has a better ball handler better touch around the rim and for better finisher. But it makes sense what what the Email is saying it makes sense in that place. Shooters around him, watch them flourish type thing that makes Benny will flourish more though, because he's he's a little bit more hands. He's got the hands more. So than dre. It would be interesting to see Simmons actually get the play in a small system in Janas like system or even the way that the Sixers were playing last year after Joel Embiid went on they went on that huge winning streak with there's more space out there. He's going to be able to score better. And maybe the jump shot never comes. But maybe it doesn't matter as much when there's not a seven foot one guy down on the post who's clogging up, you know, playing with. Joel Embiid works for the Sixers, but it is not Benson's destiny to play with a huge post. Yeah. He's definitely more Yannis than dre this one from Kevin in San Diego. Did you guys hear about the one million dollar bounty that the two thousand United States Olympic men's basketball team had out to try and dunk on yell Ming? I found the story. Pretty funny wanted to know what y'all thought about it. This was came up through the G. Dwayne Wade play. There's only interview that aired over all star weekend on MBA TV. He thought when they're playing France that that Ming was dunked on that was the confusing part to me key thought that he did it. Yeah. Venture over Frederick vic