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"rachel deloitte williams" Discussed on Ctrl Alt Delete
"Hello and welcome back to control. Delete my guest today. Is Rachel Deloitte. Williams Vanity Fair photography editor and now author of my friends Anna. The true story of the fake arrest of New York City is one of time. Magazines must read books of two thousand nineteen and it's the true story of Anna Delhvi the scammer. You might have read about in the news. The fake eras who's deceit seat and elaborate con artistry to see the Soho New York media seen before Halla's were dramatically exposed. This is Rachel story friend of on Adele V who is still dealing with the consequences of being so betrayed by such a close friend. The Path as Matt through mutual friends and became inseparable. Bill and after Anna's debit card was declined on a holiday Morocco in a five star hotel. Rachel began to suspect that something wasn't quite right and the trees Started to slowly come out surrounding her increasingly mysterious friend. This book has been called. Catch me if he can meet gossip girl with instagram filters and it's a really interesting read but it's hard to put aside the fact that real people were really hurt and affected by this story between on a Delhvi Fire Festivals Billy McFarland and also Elizabeth homes it seems to have been the year of the scammer. We recorded this one in New York and and it was really great to meet Rachel in person. I hate to enjoy this interview with right chill and if you enjoyed it or found it interesting please leave a rating or a review and I look forward to hearing from me. So you'll burke huffing read by love. My friends I've been reading it like everyone's talking about it. Everyone was talking about it at the time when the Adele V. notorious NYC scam story. We came out we get to see it unravel from like a stranger objective but you were really good friends with Anna who is now in jail. I just wanted to go right back to the beginning before we talk about it because I just wanted a bit more about your background. Like how you guys met and like the early days of your friendship My background I'm originally from Knoxville Tennessee. I went to school at a Liberal Arts School in Ohio and turned in New York. Living with my grandma over the some reason then moved here right after college. Got My dream job Through a combination of really hard work and dumb luck and then I'd been working at Vanity Fair in the photo Otar Department for six years when I met Anna and I was just out one night with friends getting drinks Downtown wasn't an exceptional exceptional evening. Really except that I was just introduced to this new member of the group who kind of appeared. Recently I'd seen her in photos with some of the girls. I knew and been curious various about her because I saw that she had over forty thousand instagram followers which kind of piqued my curiosity. 'cause I couldn't quite tell why or where she came from so I I was this curious and then she arrived and met her and she seemed like cheerful. Nice kind of talkative. She had weird oxen. I couldn't really place and that's how I began an interesting site. I wonder is New York quite Like a special place in terms of people seem to be outlawed and like dinners and socializing. Like I've only been here for a week. Actually I feel more popular here because everyone wants to hang out whereas I don't think as me I just think people out and about whereas in London it's quite why didn't like as much going on every night or anything just because they're not used. David Have My like Sofa to lie on he got. There's that well I do think everybody here has fairly small apartment. So there's something to views Edward Getting out but New York is also very compact. So I feel like it's easier to probably get around and and I feel like this is a place where oftentimes people have different groups or different friends they like to see At Different Times It it is hard. I think to pin people down to commit to plans. People here tend to work really long hard hours. And then you know if they're going to be up for committing dinner something which is part of. I think why the friendship with Anna happened as she lived really close to me and she was always available and texting me which was great. I liked her but I think had she lived somewhere somewhere further away. It might have been a little bit less of a fast friendship via also in that went viral on twitter the other day it was like London millennial culture and then it was a friend on Wall Street grouping like a you free twenty twenty two like her drink. Maybe part of that is also like upper twenties to thirties. People are a little less gung Ho. Oh about getting out. 'cause I guess you on a ride at that time quite young. While I was twenty nine. She was three years younger than me. But I had I think I I I know I had just come out of a long term relationship and I was newly single. A lot of my friends are married or had left the city. You're living in Brooklyn which is like a little harder To see them as frequently so she she was part of our group in in two thousand sixteen like that February for a few months. Didn't know her very well one on one then she left left because she wasn't a US citizen. And I didn't give it much. Thought she wasn't close to me but then she came back one year later in February of two thousand seventeen and at that point checked into this trendy Andy Hotel called Eleven Howard and so which is like a ten minute walk from my apartment and that's when we became close friends So she reappeared at the perfect time. I was so happy to have this new friend who was interested in going out with me. It was February kind of coming out of that winter hibernation funk and like you know someone who wants to have dinner workout in Lake it just was so easy and I think that really taps into Actually quite relatable thing which I know I've had where I have a new female friend get swept swept up in it and it's like a well wind Roman totally and I'm like obsessed with each other but actually those friendships the don't Radi loss. No like FILL UP AND BURN I. I mean that's like our close friendship was a little bit over two months. It just happened that this terrible thing happened on the tail end of it that then stepping into quicksand took up to two years of my life following those two months close kind of frivolous friendship so for this. He might not be up to date with them with what happened at the time. I was like glued to the The New York Times like reviews and profiles coming out about it but it's hard to some very quickly but she basically klay was quite a genius scam of and the fact that she only scored like twenty two million dollars of alone and overtime. Hi My scam to friends. And many banks out thousands millions could you just a bit of a nutshell like now if she did it in a well she came to New York And assumed this identity that was Anna Delhvi and she pretended to have come from family. Money said she had a trust fund was in New York because she was working on the creation of this art foundation. The Anna Delhvi Foundation. What she described as this kind of multidisciplinary space that would have a members only club? I'm an art galleries and restaurants and a bar. I mean it was very grand is very thoroughly thought out. She had presentation deck. She'd gotten from this London graphic designer actually of course never got paid and she was taking business meetings with serious restaurant professionals investment professionals bankers lawyers. She was very close is to getting. I think it was like twenty to twenty five million dollars from a hedge fund because she had falsified these bank documents showing she had sixty million euros in overseas accounts and so I mean she was. She was very good. I think the fact that she could full these institutions that have systems in place to prevent fraud. You know like it's little wonder that in the social setting when she's telling everybody the same story that we believe Turkis. How do you know anybody really? Yeah I mean reading the book as well you kind of think this this hat to be like a mastermind oeste mind operation because so many people fell for it. Yeah I mean she. She was definitely good at playing the character. She was playing anything. New York is kind of special in the sense that it's filled with all kinds of different personalities and people who have more money. You're less money than you. It's not unusual to have kind of an ECLECTIC friend group. NOPE and I worked at Vanity Fair. I was also used to to meeting. People who had these grand plans are came from very different backgrounds than me or complex complex kind of personalities to begin with so she wasn't that an unusual except of course it was all a lie. Did you ever have that moment though of like this is too good to be true like. I know that you went to Morocco was yeah she you kind of go scam yourself. Yeah oh I wish I wish I had that too good to me too moment You know yes. She was generous friend. She was nice she would like she always. She rarely wanted to leave her hotel. So a lot of our friendship was me stopping in by to see her on my way to and from work whether to work out or just to come by for drinks or dinner and she insisted on on charging everything to her room within the hotel which was extremely generous. Ah You know I. I didn't take that lightly. She also knew exactly how much money I made. And she was very convincing about the fact that she came from this wealth and she made it seem so easy unlike she. I was glad to do it. I didn't really think much of it except that I was grateful. I think if she had been a man I might have thought she tear motives or question sort of the structure of our our relationship differently but because she was female friend. It didn't strike me as something that was alarming and it wasn't like she was introducing me. I think there's a bit of a misconception in some of the media coverage like we were out at parties she swept me up into the circle of New York elite power players Blah Blah Blah. We never went party together. We didn't go shopping. We didn't go out even really just data and had dinner so 'cause that like kind of undetermined in some of the the pieces of like social climbing each other totally. It's like been hard for me for a while. I just kind of let that happen because I. It's hard to be assertive entered circuit. Defend yourself in this way. Like still feels weird to me but the reality is Anna was much more interested in my role than I wasn't hers. I just liked her and she sort of appealed to this big sister impulse me. You know. She'd asked for my advice. Be Socially or with like her business plan. She'd show me logos and ask for my input or talk about things. She wanted to deal with a spouse agent space and I just enjoyed her company so the too good to be true though I I'd say them Rocco trip evolved until that but it certainly didn't start. There obviously seemed plausible enough. I I went and so did she manage to like take a call on the money she owed you or so the way. It unfolded is for those. Who Don't know so? She analytic fulltime in hotels in New York as well and when she needed to leave the country to reset her visa she we decided we should go somewhere warm rather rather than her going home she wanted to..
"rachel deloitte williams" Discussed on True Crime: By The Book
"Real pages. Thank you for joining a by the drip. We're happy under ten state. We'd beat up. It's how real crimes that attack attack Tash appear and if you'd like to give the podcast the hand please head over to I tunes or apple podcast or anywhere aware and drop a review. I would certainly appreciate it and I say every week. There's more than one type of crime well. Today my main source of reference was my friend. Orient Anna the true story of a fake heiress by Rachel Deluge Williams. I listened to the audio book which was narrated by Williams. So let's get that audible. Arthur page Baio from his Williams. Shall we Rachel Deloitte. Williams was born and raised in Knoxville Tennessee and is a graduate of Kenyon College in Twenty ten. She moved to New York City and landed her dream job in the photo department vanity. Fair where she helped helped produce photo shoots including those for the annual Hollywood and new establishment issues and work with the magazine's leading photographers and iconic. Nick subjects my friend. Anna is her first book. And what a first book it is. I think it was a good idea for for Williams to deliver her story in her voice but Rachel girl I got questions and before we get to the reasons I find this story to be absolutely really bad shit. Let's see what good reads tells us about the book sex and the city meets. Catch me if you pan and the astonishing true true story of an ability. A young con artists posing as German. Air Is in New York City as told by the former Vanity Fair photo editor. Who got seduced by her friendship and then scammed out of more than sixty two thousand dollars? So what problems can I have at this tale of a young woman who scammed New York where I know foremost. How does this thing happen? I mean seriously in an age of Google and social media and the need for receipts to prove anything. How does a person pose as an heiress for over a year and not be called to the carpet? I mean this girl had homemade bank documents homemade in. Well well I guess the first thing she had going for her was being white and I know it's a little early and story for me to be pulling the race card but come on if I suddenly showed up in Atlanta saying I was an heir to the condom thrown. Don't you think at least one person would have dropped my name into into Google and I think that person would have to have at least ten years of receipts from me before I'd be able to get credit at ihop up but somehow Anna was able to secure one hundred thousand dollar loan on the basis that she had money in another another country. Now I know that in New York one has to create their own opportunities but this borders on ridiculous. She had this big dream of getting twenty two million dollars to start the Anna Delhvi Foundation. She actually had the plans for this foundation being carried out in the most sceptical city in the US scammed a bank out of a hundred thousand dollars with the limited life experience period of a twenty eight year. Old Girls Brain just finished forming completely in here. She scammed one of the most sceptical optical cities in the U S. Out of one hundred thousand dollars now see banks will be requested. My mother's maiden the name for one thousand dollars. This girl got one hundred times that with a fake identity right see her real name is Anna Sarokin. She and she earned about four hundred euros a month working in interning at Purple Magazine which I have never even heard of Her mom was a homemaker and her dad worked as a trucker she was born in Russia and moved to Germany as a team. So she wound up in New New York after visiting and falling in love with the place but she look the part she dressed the part but most of all she he acted entitled. That's the second thing she really had going for. She acted as if she were better more more privileged than and everyone around her so that really sold the act. And I know I'm pushing this but that's what Rachel hammered home in this book. She was the object of Anna Generosity and friendship but she noted that Anna was a pretty shitty human being. She was selfish in snobbish but those in her circle made excuses for her she t- behavior. She tossed around money like it was Kleenex because she didn't have to earn it and as long as she was footing. The bill everyone ignored trash behavior and Rachel was the closest thing to a friend the end that Anna had so as long as she had the money she scammed from the bank. She pampered Rachel with some of the finer things now. Rachel wasn't a starving in college through neither. She made a decent living for herself at Vanity. Fair she didn't need Anna's money but she did benefit from the friendship so and it was playing a role in Rachel was not only a prop but she was also in the dark. Then parts of me wonder if she you want to be in the dark and I guess I'm the type of person who drops names of characters from movies Subjects of podcasts guys. I've dated in the search engines all the time. I JUST WANNA know. So if someone presents themselves as heiress to me I picture myself excusing myself from the table and googling them in the bathroom. I can't help it the for whatever reason nobody thought to. I used the supercomputer in their pocket to do this. So Anna Win on fooling the masses. She was staying at the best of all tales eating at the top restaurants. When I say she popped bottles is some of the finest establishments in rubbed shoulders with some powerful people? I I really mean it. She would drop a name or be seen in the presence of an old money type and their privilege would just transfer over to her. And that's not some shit. I can dream of getting away with. I could show up to a basketball court with Kobe. Bryant and Lebron James is still have to prove that I could play but not Anna. Anna was taken helicopters. Instead of Uber's running private jets all while playing a shell game same with one hundred thousand dollars and when you get this close to scammer eventually you become the scammed. I don't make the rules. I just live sal so forgive me if I sound like I don't give a fuck I mean I really think I really think Anna is a horrible person to do this to her free in but yet Rachel was the closest thing to Anna scam ago. Scam so Anna woke up one day and decided she needed to film a documentary in Morocco. Now they don't even sound like regular shit you know. I think I'm a film Elma documentary in Morocco. So she got her little clique together and invited them along including Rachel in they he also GonNa roll with her to Morocco. It was gonna be her treat so after some planning it was time to purchase the tickets. Unfortunately it was a problem with Anna's credit card now to me that would have been the end of the trip like you say your treat. I can't afford this shit so I guess we'll will be hanging out in New York instead of Morocco but Anna asked Rachel to put the flights on her card in Rachel did now of course Anna did promised to pay your back as soon as she got this credit card situation straight with her bank. But one thing my mom and daddy always told me and I'm pretty sure your parents or someone told you do not loan out any money that you cannot bear to be without. If it's GonNa put you in a bind you don't own it out but they go to Morocco. They check in and start the vacation shenanigans and but Anna starts her antisocial behavior shit and kind of bullies Rachel into getting being in the pool. Now Rachel got a real attitude about that because this was the first time Anna singled her out with her privilege. Act In being on the receiving end of this BS wasn't fun They were thoroughly embarrassed when the group went on tour. Anna's I Anna's card was declined. Rachel had to.
"rachel deloitte williams" Discussed on Scam Goddess
"Before they would put up their own money so basically she had been talking hot shit to all these other rich people at these parties and events events and stuff that she was at and they were like okay. If you pony up a cool twenty five mil will invest two so she started falsifying bank statements so that she could potentially you get a twenty five million dollar loan now if you've gotten one hundred thousand dollar loan with no credentials and not even fake bank statements. She did that without thank Bain Simmons. I'm sure she was like Oh. All I need is BIC statement level up. If I have props this time then surely I'll get the money props yeah yeah now. I'm adding production value to this exactly before she just had like gals I and bags I had costumes had cost. You big sunglasses. Everyone believed an accent and now I have brown so yes she this creating the full blown production. That's exactly what's happening here. So in two thousand seventeen this all caught up with her and she was pinched. They got her and she was arrested. The first charges were for skipping out on thousands of dollars of bills and the Kirkman and the w New York hotels a lunch bill for less than two hundred dollars at a restaurant at the lament the La- Park Meridian hotel how so they picked her up for these thousand dollar bills at big hotels where she had state and promised wires that never materialized but then they also picked up for a restaurant check for less than two hundred dollars to tips. You can't pay that's two of your why. Why is it bad yeah that was petty and that one for fine but I love at this restaurant is like put our two hundred dollars asked everyone else has dollar grievances and they're like we want a hundred and eighty seven dollars percents. Put us into to you're going to jail. I just think they're the most petty for pilot restaurants just like chalk it up absolutely absolutely arrested and they can actually throw in our money to La- Park Meridian needs. It's many not even two hundred dollars like in restaurants in New York and La.. That's nothing nothing nothing. It's bills for way more for your phone. They were like maybe they just didn't like her. That's so petty and got picked up actually Kim Y'all senator bill because she ain't paid for these cheese fries she didn't pay for these croissants thoughts about the Rosa and she was rude to the waiter a great lunch in about follows me. I've eaten there. I see I'll make a cheese fries sandwich with the croissant. We class so her lawyer Todd Spodek. He was actually very defensive for. He said that she he was just a misguided girl who got in over her head which doesn't sound that way. When you make fade definitely overhead we're sure but what she innocent I don't know about that. I do a mistake so after two days of deliberation in April Sorkin was found guilty realty of multiple fraud charges including second degree Grand Larceny and theft of services. She was not found guilty on two other charges and these charges were very fun to me. one was attempted. Grand Larceny and this is for allegedly stealing more than sixty thousand dollars from a friend who footed the bill for a vacation in Morocco so in a Vanity Fair tell-all a former editor of the magazine Rachel Deloitte Williams detailed her brief but expensive a friendship with Sorkin which started in the Manhattan nightclub the to drink and hotel bars and visited a personal trainer the one that she have on retainer and eight at fancy restaurants like limit the Meridian where she didn't pay and always on Sirkin Stein so basically this girl met her and the girl was like Oh. Let me take you say. There's no such thing as a free lunch. A free lunch will cost you sixty grand so she would take this out. The come come with my personal trainer Klaus. Everyone's going to be German a personal trainer and let's eat and drink restaurants and all of the she paid for for everything changed when the two on a trip to Morocco they stayed in a five star resort for seven thousand dollars and racked up a sixty two thousand dollars. Bill Aw God you do as you do right circus card got declined shocker and she convinced Williams to put it on hers instead head with the promise to pay her back and didn't WanNa Finesse so remember that ten dollars caller is we talked about those moments because that that is the thing that is so fascinating to me is if you you're doing this kind of if you're doing this kind of high wire scam right and you get to that point where it's like. I know I can't pay for this Morocco vacation I'm going to I'm going to pretend to pay for it by Card's. GonNa get declined like how would you feel in that moment like there has to be that that's the scammers brain of where you are do you think she hinted to pay for it because she must. She must've girl was red yeah and that she had a black yard she could she. She must've known I can get away with doing these little things here or there to convince her that I have this money and then it must have been premeditated from so long before that up. How do you know but how are you feeling in that moment like I would be fucking being freaking out like what if this doesn't work. It's caused illustrating. It's it's gotta be. That's gotta be why they do it. That's got to be a huge part of it like this is exciting exciting. Because what is the conversation when she puts down a car that she knows doesn't work and then has to calmly say this is such a hassle. Can you pick this up you back later at the sixty. Two Thousand Dollar Bill. Yes girl I got you and is is it is it has she done John. It's so flawlessly that this person is like Oh. I'll just I'll just put it on my card hang. No you're good for it. The I remember clouds cords. We had a great workout with cloud. I feel bad for you that your card got declined. They'll be so annoying gnawing for you I can't I can't fathom it. I never like I was a kid. Who'd never did school I was I couldn't imagine the I was so scared of repercussions like you can't just do that -cause all the fucking follow yeah I was a freshman in high school. I wore suits to school insane. I looked like Viola Davis and how to get away with murder. Every day. It's was I would leave school when seniors left because because they thought I was a senior I guess because I wore suits. I was a serious student. I was class president. It was a house of cards. Make up in your wig our real slow dramatic. I also killed so many people whatever got away got away with it all so this woman. Ms Williams testifies at the trial. She's crying says she wishes she had never met on no kidding. You said this is the most this killed me. This is the most traumatic thing I've ever ever been through girl. If the most dramatic thing you've ever been through is you went on a vacation in Morocco. Footer Sixty two thousand dollars bill that you could foot exactly exactly exactly you're not like selling anti candlesticks that have been in the family for generations like if you can afford to get scammed out of sixty two thousand dollars and then you're fine. I thought worst moment I put on my car. I mean most humiliating absolutely for sure. Are you having Ptsd about this card the DIA Little Cash Uh. What are you talking about girl. I'm glad they didn't charge her with us. I'm glad that they were like get Outta here. Yeah dummy a restaurant got compensated. Yeah the restaurant deserve to get their money back. Okay so the maximum sentence for her who was twelve years in prison and instead of taking a plea deal which might have put her in prison for three to nine years. She decided to go to trial and she says that she does not regret this. It does not regret going to trial I would so she was ordered to pay almost one hundred and ninety nine thousand dollars in restitution as well as a fine for twenty four thousand in dollars. I don't know where she's GonNa get this money. Maybe her next scam exam but the image conscious unconscious foe areas hired celebrity stylist for her trial and and in the courtrooms featured in thick black glasses neutral colored dresses and occasionally the black joker it's twenty seventeen the ninety s back and more than seven thousand people followed an Anna Delhvi court looks Luke's instagram page instagram page dedicated to her court loot. God Not that she had started somebody else. We don't know someone's getting these photos like when she goes to court and won for the Graham Wright right now now put on these handcuffs great but I thought that was hilarious that first of all how she hiring a celebrity stylists when she has has no money I mean I guess it's people. There are certain people who just do shit because they like. I don't know I guess because she was famous. Miss kind of right. This is the chance for my island career to take off. I'll style this woman before she goes to jail. Lawyers described arrived her as a hustler trying to make it in New York City akin to the lyrics of Frank Sinatra's New York New York those vagabond shoe. Why is this argument in court the Lawyers Ladies and gentlemen. If you can make it there you can make it anywhere but the judge actually judge Kiesel rebuttal which I'm like. Why is this conversation happening in court and she says I I think at US more like Bruce Stings Bruce springsteen song blinded by the light. She was blinded by the glitter and Glamour of New York City. This is the judge in this case so the lawyers like no. It's New York New York. It's like no. It's Bruce springsteen blinded by what's happening objection in your honor. I think it's much more like happy birthday. I I think it's much more like Cardi B.'s. I thought okay well just GONNA put in our Song Jury Sadaqa for keeping please type in the song and so on a- which I truly love her for this as we get to the end of this. She says the thing is after she's convicted in the thing is I'm not sorry. Let me say like on the Sienese. I'm not selling. She says Friday after she was sentenced to four to twelve years in prison. She says I'd be lying to you and everyone else and myself. If I said I was sorry for anything I regret the way I went about certain things Aka cutting God. I love her weight Wayne. Hey this is not even the best part. She goes on to say while she makes her action. She did not apologize for her character. She says Unquote Unquote. I'm not a good person. She said. I'm not a good person that they said. I'm not a good person. Miss Sirkin Arken is writing a memoir about her exploits in New York and cheeks. She's GONNA write a second book because she is in rikers so she says she's actually glad that she's she's in rikers because it's given her so much fodder for her second sure she said. I'm not a good. No one ever says that. I know I've never I mean it's gotTa be right. It's gotTa feel so good to say. You know what I'm not a good person trying to convince people you can't get to say I'm not a good burst. Donald Trump came out. It was just like guys look good. I'm not a good guy. I have small hands. I'll give you this what I yeah. Maybe I am not a good person. We'll give you the most honest politician ever runs on that in two thousand twenty years. I'm not a good person not hundred bad guy. I love it. I love her and that's why I'm like. This is not the end she's already got like. Hbo Simon Simon Schuster Net flicks have purchased the right to the New York magazine story for an undisclosed amount of money Shonda rhimes the creative grey's anatomy and scandal has been tapped to dramatize it so I'm I was GonNa get a coin from that. She's GonNa come out of jail richer than she left. Do you think this scam all along on what love I just WanNa. Make a movie about me. I know what to do and she's in jail like. I got a sequel come in because she's been going to solitaire. She's GonNa Solitary confinement thirteen times. She's getting in fights with inmates. She says she's earned the respect of everyone in the prison because she's known for defrauding rich people yeah yeah yeah. It's the opposite of being a child Molester prison right. You get cloud every day but I think it's crazy 'cause like she's scrappy. Doubts is definitely scrappy. She's down for a prison ball. Here's my question yeah. What if do you think she could have avoided jail time. If instead of glomming up for court she'd really dressed down herself. Look dumpy as possible to make the plaintiffs look as stupid as possible like why would you showed up in a burlap sack went overkill so into hard a unit brow like a sweats and a fanny pack like why would you give her money..
"rachel deloitte williams" Discussed on Little Atoms
"John. Ah she wanted to be like she wanted to have friends around her mind. You it was at the time really just me and the people who are in the hotel but i liked her so we spent a lot of time mm together from february late february until early may when we went on this vacation. There's a couple of incidents that happen around this time that i think think really help cement character. At least i think he could be quite the opposite as well because she said it doesn't know how to behave behave a company for one which could be an indication of as you said somebody who's like sort of second generation of wealthy and just it doesn't care. She's rude to waiters. She's rude drivers and things like that also. Does this incident that happened you go to a i was italian salon. It's a sona sona which is something i was really aware of was a thing at least so he has. She decides she wants to solar becker hotel. Oh gosh it's an ahead his way of saying things and sometimes you didn't know if she was serious joking so we had gone to this in bread's on it as you said it was in the basement of this <hes> i i call it crunchy but when i was just in the u._k. They didn't know what that meant. I it's kinda hippie holistic sage partly santo endo type of place <hes>. There's the sauna and the downstairs. It wasn't like a cushy spa <hes> but you go into this little room and there's a wooden box and there's indirect heat. It's supposed to be good for for your skin and all sorts of healthy blah blah blah <hes> so we were there and we had a good time and then not long after that i went out to the west coast for work and when i was there i got this text from anna noticing that she looked into the sauna and she thinks that makes sense to die her own. I think it was like over a thousand dollars or something like that and i think i don't know that she's serious. I don't know what to think so i just laughed and i was like you live in a hotel. Where are you going to put us on and then as soon as i thought to myself she text me like i'm. I'm gonna just order it and say i didn't know how big it was. You know she she had this really starting from the top down in her plan making just with regard to shooting shooting for the moon and then sort of landing halfway through i just it was it was typical. Anna behavior <hes> whereas partially for entertainment value but you don't know how much of it to take seriously sleet but then the hotel does end up installing the yes. I know i was smart about knowing what was catching on what was going to be cool. Who'll to some extent <hes> she gets the hotel. She's data at eleven howard dead few months. I'd say after she was gone they did end up opening an infrared sauna in the hotel and i think cutlets request yes. She didn't say it to me. She really did go to them and ask if she could put this on us somewhere in the hotel yeah she was smart. She knew it's us doing somehow somehow her. Her grandiosity definitely worked in her favour. <music> <music> <music> the little atoms uh-huh. I'm neo danny today. I'm talking to rachel. Deloitte williams and we're talking about her book. My friend anna the true story of anna delhvi the fake heiress of new york city and rachel things come to a head on holiday. You'll go to get america cash asia on a extremely expensive break. Tell us about that trip. It was a lot of fun until it wasn't <hes> <hes> so we anna needs to leave that visa again. She picks mary cash and she frames that is though it's partially she's been justified as being a business expense because she wants to make a documentary about the creation of art foundation and she hires a videographer and wants to bring the personal trainer and invites me and i was already going to be traveling leveling for work that spring and it had been so long since i've traveled with friends i was really excited and how amazing she picks this place and she booked the villa and she had to be the confirmation email and everything seemed fine <hes> until the day we were getting ready to go and the flights hadn't been booked and i had i had known because she told me that anna was putting off booking because she didn't know how how she was going to be in meetings that day and she had this hosted done variety of excuses. That seemed plausible me. I think i was partially vulnerable to that because i worked in and production and i travel for people. You were really busy. It wasn't foreign into me that somebody would need to make last minute plans like that whereas i think for some people that might have been just absurd <hes> so i could wrap my head around it and then about morning i was was texting her trying to help permit plans because logistics came much more easily to meet and they did to her. She was very aloof and deserved is at least a tough you presented so ah she asked for my help making the booking. She said she was stuck in meetings of course i'm so you know grateful. She's invited me on this trip. I wanna help however i can so she texts me credit cards took the fights and her car doesn't go through and she says she stuck in meetings and basically asked me to use mine temporarily and said gee wire me the money next week and that's how it started so ibooks flights for four travelers to get to marrakesh then it escalates from there where it's because she owes me some money she asked for one more small favor and one more small favor and it keeps sort of adding on ominous small way where you know it wasn't something i would have agreed to in advance but just kind of started piling up and then of course the main blow which isn't didn't something i agreed to was this escalating tension between anna and the hotel managers at london mooney. The police were staying midwicket trip. It becomes obvious that she doesn't have a credit card down for the villa and after some back and forth between her and the managers and at least she appeared to be talking to bankers <hes> probably wasn't <hes> my last america these two managers appear in the villa and refuse to leave without a functioning credit card which they say they're supposed to have on hold before we checked in they don't they leave with mine for a temporary block. I'm told temporary hold on the card and i am told that anna will need to settle the full bill upon checkout. I aleve before anna and of course she doesn't settle the bill. I get a text saying the full cost of the hotel has gone on my credit cards and that she will wire me for the total bill which was when i left marrakesh it'd be sixty two thousand dollars and i find this out on a friday and she says i'll you the money on monday spoiler alert the water never came through so i mean this is at this point. It's an awkward situation you it may well be a friendship situation but as far as your she's good friend and you're going to get the money and weeks pass at one point. Do you start to feel that. It's not going to happen. Ooh i believed her for a very long time and that's part what made it so painful because i kept looking for the good in her and i kept looking for reasons to trust her to help her for a very long time and it i you know i i was in this very awkward. Great situation where on one hand i was extremely stressed out about the money but on the other i was grateful to her for having invited me on this exorbitant vacation you know and i now i knew the cost just because i was holding the balance so i went from being sort of polite but firm to completely freaked out and it took you know i don't ah a month before i had this realization that not not that and i wasn't here. She said she was but that something in her life was preventing her from having access to the amount that she owed me and i it was world rocking. I just thought oh god. I'm never i was already not saving money in this job. I loved loved but didn't pay me that much. I was barely breaking even so till suddenly have this low. That was more than a million a year. I thought that's where it ended for me. I was like i'm never going to be an adult john. I won't be able to buy a house. I can't have kids like i'm going to move home. It it just stabilizing yeah. At what point do you. I mean again with hindsight now and also having written this book about at what point do you. I guess except you are a person that can be taken in light this <hes> that is part of the realization allegation. I guess the answer to that is early august when i had confronted her in person spar with a personal trainer and the personal trainers friend and we sat her down asking for truth and they realize is that she was just you know a complete lie <hes> but but the realization wasn't so much oh i'm a person who could be taken it was oh let's girls very good at what she was doing and she wasn't just doing it to me it doing all of these different banks and the entire circle that i meant you know it was a long con- she told the scene straight as so many people but that i didn't i didn't feel even that moment although i was the one holding this enormous debt that i was alone in this i i felt that this person had been taking advantage of lots of people a why do you think is even an answer to this but why you <hes> why me i am adjusting person person i i am lucky in that i come from so many healthy relationships in my life that i had an idealized view of friendship and i really went out on a limb for a friend you know to to to degree. I didn't even know i was capable of <hes>. I don't know that anna would have known about me. I i think part of it has to do with the fact that i was feeling a bit isolated and she appeared in my life right when i was happy to have a friend <hes>. I also think that i was you know. I don't think she she picked me. Necessarily thoroughly from offset as a financial mark 'cause that wouldn't make sense but i think the friendship was very useful to her partially because i.
"rachel deloitte williams" Discussed on Little Atoms
"Is little atoms radio <hes> show about ideas and culture with me nailed any this week we're talking about the true story of andrew del rey the fake air s of new york city with rachel deloitte williams and her new memoir my friend donna <music> rachel deloitte williams was born and raised in knoxville tennessee and is a graduate of kenyon kenyon college in twenty ten. She moved to new york city and landeta dream job in the photo department of vanity fair where she helped put us photo shoots including those for the annual hollywood newest issues and with the magazine's leading photographers and iconic subjects and my friend anna the the true story of anna delhvi fake era of new york city is right who's first book and that's what we're going to be talking about today. Reiter welcome to little atoms. Hi thanks so much for having me so this is on the whole story of the con artist and adobe which as you stated at the beginning of the book yourself is it's obviously what people will read about out but it is also the story of of yourself your journey to new york and you'll life before you meet tanna and i've noticed in the coverage around the story of anna and a trial and coverage afterwards the you know there's is this idea that she was conning super-rich and this in some respects that admiration for what's even though shovel salad ended upon trial so i think it's important to begin with that. We talk about yourself and and how you ended up in new york because that's all your experience thank you yes. That's <hes> heard of why. I included it in the book. Is i think to understand you know one. If there's an ideal mark who is it short answer answer is no. I don't think there isn't too who am i and and yeah i. I'm not particularly wealthy. I was living paycheck to paycheck. I worked really hard to get to new york and to get my job and i think there's a tendency to want to. We're gonna find reasons to blame victims in this kind of an instance so i just wanted hopefully for people to get to know me a little better through you those introductory chapters so how do you end up in new york. Let's talk about your your journey to working at vanity fair. Yeah i'm originally he from knoxville tennessee like you said in your introduction. I grew up the oldest child of three. My parents are both clinical psychologists. <hes> and i went to college in ohio. Kenyans small liberal arts school where i double majored in english and studio art and i spent my summers interning in new york eric sort of just trying jobs on to see what i was interested in and i started out first interning for a nonprofit worked at the national office for <hes> planned parenthood just the the major donors division writing newsletters and i was curious about you know healthcare and nonprofits and then after that i interned in the photography world <hes> <hes> since i was interested in in creative and visual arts and i fell in love with it and after that following those i interned for two summers in photography talk graffiti my dream job was vanity fair and when i was still in college looking ahead to internships my final internship i guess the summer after my junior your year before i was going into senior of university i picked someone's name off the masthead of vanity fair and i wrote her letter hoping for an internship and a little too late to get the entrance yet but once i graduated <hes> i was able to get an informational interview in vanity fair and it just so happened two weeks after that informational interview a ajab opens with the woman i had picked up the masthead. She remembered my correspondence. I interviewed for a job. <hes> the next day. I started the day after that so it was a combination kind of hard work and dumb luck that brought me to my dream job and moving to new york so let's talk about what life was like for a young person essence to be working in new york say that give you to talk about the seventy s but we're talking about twenty yeah right. It was so long ago you know my memories now just sitting <hes>. I think it's still true what was true. Then is that behind these sort of glamorous industries being republishing fashion the art world there is a real especially in that she level jobs. I'd say scrappy nece heartbreak ethic that goes on behind the scenes ends of these glamorous <hes> publications and pursuits so life in new york. I worked long hours. You know getting to work at it or nine and staying until ten pm and always available and always ek speech go on my phone and email and i put together photo shoots for vanity fair so so i was often dealing with logistics and travel and i had friends who were in similar industries. <hes> one works at barney's and several for the new york times and it's just this this everybody works really hard long hours in these jobs they love they require a lot of them and so it's after one of these as you know in a bar after one of these long days at work that you i say you first encounter anna tell us about that i encounter sure <hes> in new york and i imagine this is probably chewing other cities as well one of the main things we do socially as meet up for drinks or dinner because that's kind of the only free time you have available to you and it was on one of those evenings where i spontaneously decided to go out and see some friends that i met anna and she already knew certain girls in my friend group and i had seen her in pictures but hadn't met her in real life and there she was she disappeared kind of after dinner. We were downstairs in this lounge and i was immediately struck by her quirkiness and she had an accent. That was a little bit hard to place. She was sort of cheerful and and <hes> friendly but there's something different about her that that piqued my curiosity only that she you know she didn't seem so much like the other girls in a group. She wasn't liquid <unk>. She didn't talk as much but she seemed friendly. I didn't learn too much about her that first night well you know if a a roughly a year as sort of acquaintance before you'd be fun friends join that time what did you what do you find out about. What's this is. How did she present herself at this time. During that year where she was an acquaintance rather than a close friend end she presented as somebody who came from family wealth who had a trust fund to his using money <hes> towards the creation of art foundation and she was well she she said that every day she was meeting with lawyers and bankers and real estate investment professionals in order to work towards leasing this jake into historic property on park avenue south and twenty second street which is known as the church missions house so she seemed like many of my friends as though she was working in hard and i admired that about her that you know somebody who comes from wealth. I think there's this. I don't wanna say it's always true but one imagine sometimes i think second second generational wealth people can be a little bit lazy and i admired her initiative on her drive to do something so ambitious and productive with your money so now knowing what we know now looking back on this in hindsight. How do you think she built this persona. How did she how was she sort of. In a way <hes> anna was very smart and she you know not only was fooling everybody. In the social world she was was also taking advantage of institutions that have systems in place to protect them from this kind of fried so she was certainly very <hes> smart about how she was going about it. That is until she got caught. <hes> she had been idea great steady of character and of the world she wanted to be a part of she knew how to play the role of anna delhvi. She knew how <hes> you know how someone from wealth would operate. She wasn't ostentatious. She sort of drops subtle hints that that gave her the degree of legitimacy and you know in new york. It's not uncommon to meet <unk> people both from wealth or you know to have friends from backgrounds that have more money than you were less money than you. She very much fit into that fabric of new york life so i think everybody just took her at her word and so again roughly a year after after meeting. She's been traveling. She comes back and the two of you become much closer to tell us about that time and what that was like to be like so close yeah <hes> so she went away as she needed to be something visas she returned in february of two gaza seventeen and she checked into a hotel that was not far from where i was is living at the time in lower manhattan and immediately. She sought me out as a friend. She started texting me wanting to get lunch asking me to come by and i was flattered by her attention and i wasn't sure why she picked me but i was glad to have a friend <hes> that that was available and spontaneous and fun loving especially at that moment in my life because i had it just come out of a long term relationship. My friends were all you know for the most part getting married or having babies or lived in brooklyn and like i said people that i knew tended to work really long hours. Our is an part of i think that lifestyle is we were bad at making commitments in advance so i would i would find i had these unexpected free evenings where i wished i had someone someone to meet me for dinner but it was hard ted to pin people down <hes> at the last minute and here was this this woman who lived close to me wanted to be my friend and and it was seductive to just have this easy friendship and it was somebody doing these interesting things that i really enjoyed spending timeless so we started to see each other very regularly during that time anna was very convincing she would text me everyday saying bye after work and i walked to and from work so i stopped by have a drink we would often eat dinner dinner. Most of what we did in fact was in her hotel. There is a very nice restaurant on the ground floor and when we were in a hotel she would you know i of course i offered my credit card the way you would in a friendship ordinarily do but she was very convincing and insisted on paying for both of us because she said that i had worked harder for my money than she ever had and and i appreciate it that she didn't know how much they made can shoot. She knew how hard at work so she did at that time <hes> pay for a lot of meals which has gotten some flak in hindsight site because people think i was taking advantage of the friendship from the offset but that's really not a part of my character nor was it why was spending time with anna so the other way and we soccer yeah. She really like like i said enjoyed playing this character. She loved being the person who could be john..