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#37 Patrik Hedqvist  Powerlifting, building a community & competition

The Adam McCubbin Podcast

1:26:22 hr | 10 months ago

#37 Patrik Hedqvist Powerlifting, building a community & competition

"Tab Adam Cavalier and welcome to the podcast today that I am interviewing Patrick who's one of the founders and earners of Desert Bob Bill which is Power Lifting Facility and club the ride here in Dubai but before we get started going to mention a few companies that I personally use for my health and highly recommend for supplements implements and Training and Powell. It's my pertain. Have a fantastic Ryan just and shipped to just about everywhere in the world. Use Discount Code six in four to get at least thirty eighty percent off your next online order. And if you'd like to get your meals delivered and you live here in the UA. I highly recommend an in personally use cake l.. Extra use the Discount Code Best Body Twenty to get twenty percents off your next meal delivery plan and and if you with bone broth and would like to get abundance delivered a discount code for that and the company that I highly recommend uses claim. 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So people don't think I'm cocky or anything because the demands to getting an essay open lifter as the open category. Incredible Hi psychoanalyze abide in my time. And when I turned forty I had the chance to go to the national team and as we are now so good. Yeah so just give give give the listeners. A bit of background on yourself and tell us about you'll lifting Korea like when you started powerlifting when you first discovered it yep and I can I can tell about like my sports. Background is really really really very and I really didn't start lifting or especially competitive pretty late so I started of course being in Sweden Hopkins Football Cross country skiing and tennis the big things when I grew up in Ohio table tennis. I pretty much had five. Fi- primary sports kind of football was WANNA play longest played football as in soccer for fifteen sixteen years and it was pretty much at the end of that. I wouldn't call it a career. I went up to division three and Sweden. which is super high level but still pretty competitive In the end of that I started to go more to the gym. But I was never interested in bodybuilding. Anything like that. I just WANNA be better in performing whatever I did at the gym so already from the START I really enjoy the bench press And the other their movements to also bun especially specifically was this. I started going to the gym around like I was say seventeen sixteen seventeen eight years old. Did that parallel to the football up until I went to the military back in ninety five four ninety five pretty much after ninety. Five Strang was kind of like my major thing. I wasn't competitive or anything or competing But I did a lot of gym training a lot of like all kinds of trading also a lot of cardiovascular training and then in nineteen ninety-seven took my personal training and that kind of started working with fitness. I ask kind of like an wasn't a primary job. I had a conventional job. The had the part time job as a trainer. When you said you sort of got into it you went into the body building side of things you more into sports before alison that must never ever her interest in bodybuilding? That way I mean. I knew of the bodybuilding guys. We had a few back home in my city and of course new about like Dorian jade's back in the day Ronnie Coleman of those people that came up around that time but it was never really my thing. I always like ventured more towards the luck performances. That's actually lifting heavy weights. That you can do so I was kind of like you have a guy who who did you look up to. I guess when you first went into the gym because you can imagine a seventeen year old kid. You don't know much going into a gym was there's someone who took you under their wing and said Patrick. This is how you do it or now not really Hours since I wasn't in the bottom billion click because when I grew up especially in the mid nineties there were quite a few sexual around from and I never really a hand with those guys are pretty much kept on my own side but my number one idol from the storm was my dad. He competed in powerlifting. In the in the late sixties and and actually it was part of founding one of the clubs in the the southern slash middle part of Sweden when I was actually what I was born and that was in sixty eight sixty nine seventy somewhere and he trained quite hard and quite serious up until nineteen seventy-three when and my sister was born and he literally said to my mother like this kid is not going to stop more training and it did so. He didn't entrain to be honest from nineteen seventy-three too early two thousands or something like and literally not at all. Aw strength at least he would have yeah shaped your he would but he shaped my mindset and he was a few times he was with me and train. Trains wouldn't say never trained here but it was definitely my inspiration from the start as the basic we had a few stumbles and such at home. And I knew that my dad had pictures from when he was competing before so that was kind of like my basic like role model to be honest. You then coming into the gym environment. I really didn't have too many role models there. Because in my city they're all bodybuilders We actually had two people that one International medals and one of the females have the world's also so pretty high level but then moving to university for university in two thousand one two thousand and one. I came across one of the powerlifting clubs in the university city which is real in the north of Sweden also and they are fine lot a quite few role models and one of them was one of the older guys that I trained with. His name was van and he was in his back then. He was in his upper fifties. He's an almost like what was I on. Twenty Twenty six twenty seven or something twenty six and we started training together better and he was really a role model for me. I think it was fifty six fifty seven at the time and it was pretty much doing my numbers in vange and he was like I was weighing in with fifteen kilos or something so like I think pretty cool so that was how I get into competitive. Powerlifting especially bench. Press from the start because the club there was really really good. especially if we're benchpress sewing Sweden we have a A league system We should pretty much have. I think it was three or four divisions only for bench press with all the teams compete against each other and back in those days to bench. Press League was pretty big again also pretty popular so we were fighting through the system and we ended up in the elite league the last year when I was in university And that it kind of snowballed from there yet and then in terms of like you know you. You've obviously you know. Maybe you got the genetics from your dad as well but in terms of when you came in did you have a natural ability through strength though. Is that something came over. Time on not rea- I would say also because you know how some people walk into the gym. Just naturally I wasn't wasn't that guy at all to put some perspective on I can old football Lupul trainers set a very thing that resonated to me and I tell a story every now and then I was to be haven't really had talent for anything to be honest in sports awards and in football his said to me. Hey Man if you had five percents talent you'll be in the national team because I never met anyone trading as hard as you do and first of all I thought it was kind of like Dick thing to say but then throughout the year so I kind of like learn to like that because it's not like I walk in and have have like enormous amount of capacity and talent for anything and especially strength that I wasn't strong from the beginning Eh like a rapid growth in Moscow or anything. It's kind of kept grinding on for years and years and years I think and it sounds maybe weird for people people who knows me as a powerlifter the thing had most talented was running because I did a lot of running when I was a kid you have done a few racists and especially up to and ten K and eight K racist and I've never been super super fast but I'm pretty darn good at five k okay and above but I never done a half marathon. I don't the longest thing I've ever competed ten K.. Your short distances and strength was never really elliot talent so kinda like grew to kind of like like the process of justice grinding. It through and I see so many people especially now in. Powerlifting has been big. I've been a lot bigger now than before so many talented. Just they just look at the Bar Bell and two hundred which was back when I started. It was like an epic goal and took me quite quite some time before. He even squatted two hundred quite some time and benching one hundred and fifty and one hundred and sixty S. Some of the kids do that very fast. Now which was not the the case before so the talent pool is a law a lot bigger and I just hope that people learn to appreciate a talent that they have because I've also seen a few people in our region within incredible talent and then kind of like when he goes too fast they lose interest. I think that makes sense but I think I think powerlifting in general you need to love the training aspect of it because ninety five ninety eight percent of it is training as the one percent of its use standing on the platform and showing up and doing the work every single session regardless. If it's three to four five sessions week showing showing up consistently putting in the work and if you put in the work for a long long enough the results come and now. There's also what I what I like with an especially because so many if you call ourselves older people rolling up people which is above thirty. Okay and above that starts with powerlifting like now and they can still develop quite a lot and I have a lot of examples of people being in the early forties early fifties or even like late fifties. There are world class strong not like world class for their H.. As in world open class stronger. What man? I don't think there many sports that you find like a fifty year old guy being competitive on a world wide championship. When do you think it would be the ideal time if you were someone starting out pal lifting and you could grim them? What what's the optimal? Start them at the younger younger idle. Ah I will probably then I guess when windows someone actually pay athletic. Yeah I I think it's really hard. I A little bit hard to say. I I think that in most other sports like sprinting are close by Fort Weightlifting. For instance swimming the peak of faster and you can keep the peak a little bit shorter. I think ideally I duNNo. I will probably guess like mid thirties so something. We'll probably be because you cease to be having a very long very very long training base and then you have your skilled enough both mentally and can lock in your in your kind of like you re tweeting around competitions or whatever so that's kind of like where he can everything out there I would think Um especially thinking longevity in terms of people that don't use performance enhancing drugs also because that probably shifts the curve quite a lot if you take like an on drug athlete that we I will say thirty five or even later and I I think in terms of specificity when she was started amidst Limit Liberty Two edged sword there because I think that for now also when we have people showing shoes. Powerlifting I said primary sport presumably the the amount of people doing that now. Compared to ten fifteen years ago it's a lot higher because because before it was almost always people that came out of okay they injured a knee started spotting boom. You're powerlifter you come from cross country skiing downhill skiing You're like don't make the team or make the squad for your team. Lola and then you go to powerlifting now we have people choosing powerlifting primary sport. Good example is the European Championship is on now and yesterday. We had one of the guys and eighty-three category as sub junior claiming the European title title Swedish guy and he. His results that he'd done is an eighty three kilogram. Guy Is just below what I do and I've been training like twenty five. Five years says mind-blowing way him like twenty five kilos. So it's like it's weird and then but I think that if if we peak them too fast too high. I don't see the growth being when it's thirty five by no means. I think that the people that peak on the one that thirty five is probably sleepers that were not necessarily top level were sub juniors and juniors or. Maybe didn't didn't even do powerlifting. Maybe other they probably bleated other explosives or explosive sports but not powerlifting. I think we'll do what people don't realize that. Don't compete on. Haven't being exposed to Palestinians how much you want us. There are in the sport and how technical the lifts are and how it takes you know years and years to perfect. I think a lot of people who haven't been exposed to it might think all your bench press just boggles up bugged down. But can you explain for the listener to say someone who who hasn't been exposed to powerlifting. What's I guess? What the three lifts Iram what? How is it technical spoiled? Yeah so that's good call because obviously late for me. It's obvious but it's it's the squat is the bench press and his dad left and there is as you say. That is a clear distinction between a person that goes to the gym and a person that do powerlifting. Go Go to the gym. Means that you can do all kinds of movement. You don't really focus too much on the other. Maybe a focus on legs so you focus on land so whatever but as a powerlifter you focus primarily on these three movements. This movement is the highest highest priority. So that's why I is always a little bit intriguing and to talk to people that have gone to the gym for a long time. And then you try to explain to them like yeah. We have for instance Award level girl who squats like thirty kilograms. More than a big chunk do hundred kilograms does and she wastes maybe eight two kilos. They have a very hard time understanding or grasping how that is even remotely possible yet but it is because she focused only on this. You focus on all other things things you don't focus on the performance side of it and as you said also it's a lot of technical things going into it and I mean choosing your exact squad stands your bar placements having the right type of movement pattern rhythm for you and just perfecting and just sucking up that what you have to do in order to become a great water. It's a squad multiple times per week and not always go like full-on crazy heavy. You have to really fine fine tune the movement and do that for many many many many many sessions. And if you say that's a song we just go to the gym. We'll be newman. Can only squat once a week to rest Malek's it was like well. You haven't trained as a powerlifter. Then you've been training as a bodybuilder fitness person and if you're gonNA slam yourself with Like six sets of ten nine. You do Five sets a leg press to failure and they do extension five sets of twenty to die and then you do leg curls and they do like some straight like that live south of that to actually die. You have to recover of course so you have to also understand that if you play tennis you play tennis every single day you can get better playing tennis. The Movement when you do tennis is kind of like swing with your right arm. Oh you do something when your peck on the right side. If you're right hander doesn't mean you grow your back remains to be better at tennis. So that's kind of like the end product here. Also kind of like doc a byproduct of being great squatter will probably be that you have some sort of leg size and leg and like hamstring quad and like glued loot size. But it doesn't necessarily mean that you're huge is as a matter of performing the movement better and better and better which I think is sometimes lead horn for conventional dimensional. Jim People to to grasp especially when you look at world class performance and they have. You can't really grasp how that can be possible to do this. And and then also the I guess the neural side of it being able to fire all the motor units at once is technique and skill. Like you can have someone who's got the huge cross sectional area of Muscle demotivating training in that. Twelve to fifteen twenty reps. It's about getting used to handling heavy weights and doing it as sufficient as fast as possible and I think that's I think that's the beauty and what I like most about the sport and I don't want this super heavyweights or anything like that. That but I think the most interesting classes are like the mid mid section or mid mid middleweight classes for the guys will be about eighty three nine thousand three. Maybe the one of five we have like normal ish looking kind of guys that makes insane weights and also for the girls if you look at the girls all girls categories of course. Good Buddy if you look at specially maybe the fifty seven sixty three seventy two category which is collective middle-sized girl earl is. They're not big. They're not like in any way Looking Bolkiah anything but they move incredible await and once again not super heavyweights because they also move of course even more weights but he's just a visual aspect of having a person look normal performing on human tasks is is pretty cool so an example would be so people out there. Get Lucky Liberal Like no how how it is that you have now guys in the eighty three category for guys squatting. Three hundred kilos which was only when I started training or started competing. I I remember back in Sweden which is pretty good policy nation. We had one or two guys in the super heavyweight that I knew back down that had the possibility of sporting three hundred armed. And now you have eighty three kilogram guys doing it and closing up on the seventy four category doing it. So that's like it. It is absolutely mind blowing One hundred kilograms squat for a girl when I started asking classic lifting with only about. What's a really really good squad not at this gym? We had like ten fifteen girls doing it. We have girls now. Doing maybe like fifteen reps on one hundred. Do you think with with stuff like the thing is because you've opened up the Jane there's more people doing it or is it better program design or is it better recovery. I think it's I don't I don't I think it has literally anything to do with the training programs of now not whether recovery either. I think it's just a matter of like people seeing other people doing it and all of the sun is not a specific. It's not a special task kind of like the one break. The world record for mile and stuff so and just being in that environment and I see this here also because one train back home we train at the club with four competitive powerlifters and we. That was kind. The rapid growth of powerlifting star in two thousand and five six seven eight nine and just being in the surrounding when you have like thirty forty other dyson girls pushing heavy heavy weights. That kind of like brings you up to a different level. And if you have a person coming from a completely non powerlifting environment coming into Carlton Arlington Club within the Holy Smokes. How can people be so strong? But then you're climatize if you go to a gym anything man on the strongest guy around but man this Super Sweet and then you go to a party. Oh Man I was like I'm number thirty now which was kind of like the case. Also when I came here I came here first time six years ago but I moved here two thousand fifteen starting training in one of the crossword boxes actually fitness. HQ On the on the crosswalks folks down below the gym there and I really really enjoyed it. Really Nice crowd there by you. Run into a problem is apparently if you don't have enough room on the bar with bumper plates and and they thought I will select the strongest man they've ever seen lot. Nah I'm not really. I'm lucky on number ten in my country but soon amasses lift or not be number one or two but the perception of strength for people. There was a completely different one for me. I mean I wasn't even the strongest one in my club By any means so. Let's just how for you. That could be a limiting factor. Because you're not around to people who strongly guessing you're not wrenching. That's is what I like with with the club. Now the we created here we have conduct hundred them close to one hundred fifty some members and pretty much. All of them has two primary goal of being stronger if weightlifting. Powerlifting either way is the primary goal of being stronger and we have a whole bunch of guys that are like on my level or in some of the lifts above my level. So it's kind of Nice to not be the only one that like squats heavier anything Uh so that's nice. And that's also the girls see other girls lifting heavy weights. Young guys come in and see all the guys lifting heavy weights Special special feeling for them. It's a good amendment. I think yeah I guess probably leads into the next question about does it Bob L. but it's also the community that that you've you've built around you can say because of attended quite a few of the pelleting mates but also just coming into the club or the GM it's not. It's not like walking into fitness. I know like walking into a commercial. Jim It's like you're in an actual sports club and that's good that you say it because we're also people people here this too. There is almost sick that I always say when they say oh Jim going well. It's not a gym club because it is really that way. It is a club. It's it's it's driven like a club and we won't have the club feeling social as well you can say like after the powerlifting mate you say thorough friends. They're all talking to each other. It's not so there's no there's no or very little Eagle Eagle things going on and it's it's is quite a big difference and I think that Dubai as in the community that we had when I can tell you when it started I was back in two thousand awesome and I looked two thousand sixteen. We did our first competition. And I think that if we would've started this club back in two thousand and sixteen wouldn't have worked because the community. It wasn't in there. But we kind of like me and Marco my business partner was we kind of play the long game as saying we started the first competition in two thousand and sixteen in in October. If I remember correctly now and then the ball brand actually the name was thought about todd. Roomy one about friends. Athlete Athlete. Imagine Attrition Tareq. Yeah so he came up with the name. Sounds cool desert bobbleheads. Well let's has a nice ring to it. Let's not get carried away. Let's start to build the brand awareness and build the brand culture and some sort of identity for for the brand. We had some help. Someone gave you that advice to say. Okay this is a long-term approach. Or did you just conceptualize ourself and we kind of both me and Tarik and Marcano dreamt of having a facility like this Pretty fast we didn't really actively worked for for starting to create the brand identity. We had some help to do the actual logos and great our brand values and such and then I took markle antibiotic and a few other guys to Sweden for a competition back then and when we were at my club club the club I represented Sweden which is also like a very Nice Lake facility. We saw a marco got also so with me to see how that is run and we just we looked at each other and said. This is probably doable in the bar. We just have to have the rights opportunity for for good facility like a good location. You'd have the right equipment and just having the right capital to start so we started working on the business plan related on fast after Salon and that business plan was like slowly maturing for like at least a year year and a half before we actually started to look actively for people that could be involved called into project. Because we didn't have the money to buy this ourselves we have to have some sort of investors right So that was kind of a how that started and then then alongside that we we continue to grow the Brown identity. We did a few power meets. Now we're down to the next one. We'll do we'll be the power meet. Meet eight so we've done from the first one second third fourth fifth five Six seven was the last one next one will be eight so that Kinda online. We did not shirts. The first edition of t shirts. The first thing we did as kind of like a big thing was A conference that we we call them the Yes. We call it power summit because that was Done alongside with my the company. I was working official Scandinavia Health and performance. So that wasn't really done by the Bible but it was very much like in the mindset of decibel and we we brought up the name during that but it wasn't like wasn't flying by the problem problem and we got in touch with we had a few ambassadors The guys that did the the power summit Bryce Lewis Mike to share which to very knowledgeable very very famous in this This kind of business in the strength business. Very very approachable guys. Also and good role models also Ryan. was there so it kind of became our. I kind of like if you call call them. Brandon busters also took over Gaza lander one of the very very good benches. We have back in Sweden had her as a brand ambassador and and Creating awareness both locally and international so and then as time moves on the business plan matured more or more and more and then we start pitching for investors and lucky enough. We've found investors that was believing enough on the product and then was just brace yourself for impact breath and go for it and then ex- exactly a year now since we started the December last year. We had everything that was when we opened the doors and of course the rollercoaster that laco defining the rights the right facility ordering the equipment getting equipment like doing out of this place and everything. So there's a lot of moving parts so it was pretty hectic and the fall of last year looking looking back over the last twelve months. As you've had it is. was there anything you'd do differently if you had to start it again. Probably there are probably lucky. A few short Scott we would have taken but then again I think and I think mark will agree with me that the things we've learned along the way and how can lock the business developed and matured. I don't really maybe some some small technicalities when it comes to the structure zero. The maybe how we structure the hiring of coaches or something that may be different on how we split commissions. Or whatever that's like small technicalities I think as a as a whole I think. We've we've achieved kind of like what we wanted. The end product. If it's not the end part of the process I have now is perhaps slightly different than we had from the vision we had but it's not by any means. Less good version is probably a better than the one we had from the start so I think it's well I guess it's the type of thing that once you start then I guess it unfold different things a a lot of things that we didn't see coming and I guess that's it goes for everyone that had a startup like you'd think you'd think you'd have thought everything through it. Seems like yeah you have like fifty five different steps to do. This should be like this should be enough if you had fifty five steps appreciable. We're up to two hundred steps now like like how was that and that and that. It's Oh it's a tax on that. Oh my God okay. We need to have to have some sort of certificate for that for that. Aw I didn't know that even though we did our basic research really really well at least from my point of view and still surprised. That was some few things that has to buy. You don't actually get a straight answer Hugo someone work business. Would we have to do well. They'll tell you this all of a sudden Laura about China and that's a good because it's not it's not a disc to buy or anything about back home to start a business and that's why I've never even plan starting in business back home by the way is so many life legal things to go through. You have to have this for that. A lot of bureaucracy. A lot of it and it's very very very set in the thing you have to go through the steps you might think. Well it's a lot easier here but then you get. You can get a curveball. no-one's so coming at all and and that's kind of like the they interesting part so I think as a whole is a more open climate to have in a company and is in a way or in a little ways easier but then you have those curveballs that comes that you know about and the Anthony said you ask about these questions. They don't seem to know about it. Either it's like a semi curveball for them also so so it's not like people outright right try to lie to is just they give information of the best knowledge they have for now. That doesn't mean that that is the same knowledge to help tomorrow. Hello sudden they have something else that they rolled up those Li. Like you have to do this. Also allotment. That wasn't the information yesterday. Yes but it's information today. Less work worked with that. But also I think you're opening this here like your. I guess nate and maybe with nations the right way describe other but your essentially the only pow data. That's that's I think that's a democracy. Yeah and as you know and I think all the listeners know that listen to this. The Gym Market here is incredibly big. I never even thought about having this many gyms in a in a small region because because you have like the fitness I have the goals gym had the whereas Jim you have the all of them like really really big Jim. Nationals Alexa annual every single department has or apartment complex. Have Jim only hotels. Gyms you have hundreds of them all over the place and I'm the mentioned the classic boxes all of them but no one does what we do says like. It's pretty pretty cool and a little bit Weird all almost to be in this situation that no one does exactly what we do have elements of it in a lot of gyms but only small elements. You will never find this much equipment for these two competitive sports anywhere. You're so that's kind of cool. Cool place to be and it kind of like in a way crater toll all niche and I think that In the beginning when we open up and we we talked to other gym owners. Unlike the Jim said we previously trained. I think that they in in a way thought and a man. Like no we gotta St Lawrence Clients. Nah Not really like we. We won't have called APPS and like having being friends with other gyms because we do something. Oh you will never do like we have the capacity or the money to invest this many this much money on a thing that is in your primary thing. Your primary thing is all around. Training primary thing is not all around. Training is not crossfield. Also once we have those elements we have a liberal Ron Equipment right yes we have a little bit of. I have some sandwich. We have some sled somewhere kettlebells. Does that make us a cross fit box. No no no. We don't do cross. In that competing sitting there were elements of and also people might have the mindset. Powerlifting is close to strongman. Well it is in a way but we don't I do strongman like Emmett strengthen strongman. They do their strongman thing and we can support them with maybe sometimes sponsoring some other events taking part in the world strongman within two years because that we wanNA support them and what they do and we just do our own thing so we have once again we have some former handles. We have giant frigging sandbags. But we don't do strongman. We do conditioning for what we do. Powerlifting which just happens to coin that coexist almost the same thing with basic training. We don't label it as anything. Just listen GONNA find now. We don't have any steppers. We don't have any treadmills especially the treadmills for a very very simple and specific David reason. Is there too expensive. Because you're Saturday. So we have all our equipment in the gym missed equivalent of like maybe eight. Nine rebounds treadmills admirals. And if you WANNA do cardio you can use the sled. We have an assault bike. We have a skier. We'll have a rower. We'll have a block if you WANNA run. Go run around the block so that is how we deal with that. Because that's just not possible for me to be a power lifter. It's not on the priority already list. No especially not like not high intensity cardio for longer periods of time on a regular basis. It's having some sort of corey is very very very important. Having the capacity lifting heavy weights for long period of time is essential but then in that aspect just having having other heavy objects carrying around or just doing a little bit of Cardi on the bike or like around the block or something like that. That is what we need to do. We don't need to have people running on treadmills for like twenty minutes. It takes too much base and takes too much money on electricite. That is just just going back to to the Powell mates and the pell lifting. Can you just describe what it's like for familiar of Bain to them. Oh Oh what a slack. But it's a good sense of community but come rotary everyone's GonNa there. There's music on in people yelling and shouting and you've got different different personality types. Yeah it's pretty. It's pretty cool because the and how we managed to Kinda like and I guess it locked but I guess there's also some sort of skill for us is that we we managed to create some sort of atmosphere around. That is really really really cool. And I've been I've done last time. I think I've done eight thousand nine competitions myself. I have exactly no occasions zero occasions. I had the privilege of lifting from that kind of audience that we've had on the permit Never and I've done Europeans world's multiple multiple table national championships and local meats and regional. So whatever and don't absolutely none of them we've had the atmosphere that we have here and it's very special I think that's is it stems by like it's a very tight community. People show up to see that to see their friends and so forth and especially on on the While the females are lifting females brings other females to watch them females also just happens to bring other guys watching them and it's still. It's kind of like that. New flavors seemed girls lifting weights. I think that's really really cool And then of course we have people watching the guys also but it tends to be less people watching the guys Because like everyone see once in a while the guy lifting heavy weights so that's not as cool but we have good. It's good atmosphere affair there also but I think the special special atmosphere comes when the girls are lifting and the easier the lighter guys live. That's insane I think the the last time we had the first Omani woman hating yeah that was on the on the five had at the hotel. Yes take the Dumont. Strength System guys brought one of the girls That was really really cool. And I think that but it's also something that is as for me really humbling. Being in this this kind of lack area or this region and being in the forefront of that because already from the start we had to Kuwait the guys came over for. I think it was the first or second maybe the second part meats and then they went back back and from that sprung. Do the Barber Club. So they have like a hobby in Kuwait. Then you had to monetize coming. We had a few guys from Saudi coming and all of a sudden this this small gym competition because still a gym competition is not like a massive massive event is starting to grow is more and more like a big event or having international the National People we have people in Bahrain so have Bahrain. Saudi Oman Yes coming in Kuwait all the Middle East. I guess you're the only one numidian. Wholesome mindblowing mindblowing? humbling and is very. We're very proud of that. Both me and Markle to have that kind of being that hub. So I'm looking forward to next year we're going to have the power mid eight and nine and then we're also going to have a the tenth one will be the collector the center of the thing and the end of the year that will be Grand Prix for the best athletes on the eight and nine pretty cool cool to just one question the more technical about parenting but sort of just over the years watch different people lift and different techniques and stuff. But I've seen especially in with women of noticed different spades also fatigue points boss Baid so usually typically look for myself and for most of the lifters when you get to that sort of slow boss Beta of point two five point three five meters per second is when you say someone to take and then this stop no groundout the whereas of same couple especially in the Palestine competitions you've seen saying goes like boss Bait and the boss beds quite fast but then all of a sudden Yeah fatigue point but I've never never really conceptually understood why what the we usually explains and I think that has a lot to do with the truth. It's not if you take for instance. Bench press in terms of muscle fiber type on girls compared not all. But if you compare girls Charles Group of Girls Group of guys you'll find more type two fibers or more of the fast which fibers guys and more slow twitch fibers CBS on girls as a group and that also especially for the bench press protect that that's the example. It requires a lot of stability around the shoulder joint so once again as a group as group girls will be have more mobility than guys and mobility requires a lot of mobility that takes a lot of responsibility and strength and coordination around the joints. So if you take those two factors once again group on groups not individuals when you have people that have less type two fibers and live and more mobility so that will be that they have a harder time stabilizing while doing maximum effort. You will very very often see and the in there in the range of this girl that has a maximum bench. Fifty five fifty looks like as an absolutely nothing. Nothing on the bond fifty to look super fast. Fifty five is kind of a grinder. Fifty seven kilos is absolutely noble like they look super super confident and everything. It just doesn't go because they don't have enough twitch and they don't have enough. I think the main issue will be the main component opponent that impair them is the stability around the joints. Get the safe and if you look at a guy and a a group of guys But most guys if they miss miss a bench press will be there violently trying to find an op. From the chest it goes off maybe halfway in this stump grinding there whereas the girl goes down. Boom it's dead and but it's also skill that they will learn and also of course while training specifically do powerlifting Dominica's will gradually look a little bit different a friend but as a group it will look like that I think also what can screw people up a little bit in the special bench press is that the smallest incrementally do on competition. It's two point five live so if you have a girl that has a maximum ben show forty seven and a half forty five forty seven and a half and fifty. They're quite a big percentage wise. Jump says if you compared to have a guy maybe have a maximum of one hundred seven half so between seventy five seventy seven seven half and eight th is not percentage wise that much so you see that's why the jumps becomes so high especially around forty kilos so they will smash forty thirty four two and a half goes nowhere. It's at least that's how How it's like in practice work but the theory behind it? And how. Wow that actually compares to one another group is that more slow pitch slow twitch on girls especially on the upper body and the trap pizzas area. which kind kind of stabilized? So that's also what we have to them figure out and trying to get the girls better in but what's interesting. Is that girls us. Almost olders have insane capacity of doing reps like eighty eighty five percent of the Max especially bench. They can vengeful attending Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding like forever. And they do a guy with the same thing. They struggled quite a lot an incident. You can use that then so black. Having doing like a little bit more Arabs than guys I do like having you can for sure do heavy sixers or heavy aids. Higher percentage wise with a girl the guy because the absolute weight is so small also also the recovery is probably a lot faster and then so when it comes to like programs on. What's obviously you'd factor that into a program from that did you have for coming in? This is a famous coming in as much difference in the training blocks or gender. The block design looked kind of the same name But the the reps will be slightly higher for girls usually attends to be and also the the percentage vice especially can be higher for girls on. Let's say six or eight reps than for guys but what we use here. Also an all of the staff uses is. Put Me Me Chris and Dan the party coaches. We've adapted like a strategy that calls emerging strategy And you you can do it like to the absolutely doing emerging Strategist but that's that's exactly what we do. But you design a micro cycle you. You're did you try to repeat that. Repeat that repeat that you don't do massive changes so we do slight changes alterations every now and then. But it's Kinda like repeating repeating repeating repeating that until you have as much as possible out of that micro cycle and then you change how. How long to microscope so that? That's that's where it this differs from Conventional Bofors Ation. It differs because it's a matter like one person can improve the performance on the same micro cycle for maybe five maybe six maybe seven weeks so ideally monitor that so we'll see that after five weeks you still have a little bit more than you do six. Maybe have one marina here and do seven weeks and then feels like man. We hit the sea and we can't really get anything more and then we switch. Because I think that's a pretty darn good way of seeing because if you only do not say for five weeks blocks only maybe miss one or two weeks are really really good training and the expression that colleague the founder of this This complex strategy my to share uses. You WANNA be able to change that peak condition addition as long as you can because otherwise you avoid avoid those high stainless. I think that's one of the reasons why I've avoided voided that quite some time. I think that often programming myself in like four or five weeks blocks and as soon as I hit the four the FI- weeks explode on the fourth of July week thing. Shipman is time for dealers. I don't over train whereas training now. This is the first time in a sense. I started training the last six months. Five months actually have some sort of guidance when I train personal guidance by Mike and I see that he pushes me a lot longer in the blocks that I would not myself and the results teams to be going really well and I. That's that's for guy in his mid forties has been training for twenty five years so I think that's a good testament to that is kind of like style or approach works. Warming makes sense because if you're still adapting is still getting benefits it's like why would would you change all your changes for and the the benefit we have here has to be settled so we train a lot of beginners. Whatever we do whatever we throw at them the Nuba gains? We'll we'll have to pointing straight alpers so So that that being said we don't do this. Emergent strategy per se strict on all of them because there may be like we do eleven weeks one but we do four five minutes six weeks and then just for the sake of everyone's wellness we jus- us with switch and doing some sort of recovery work and then we do in all the block because then it becomes more a mental thing that but I think it's a very very useful tool an approach for especially liberal more advanced lifters Wish we had the fortune to train a few of them here. Also analysts. I use that kind of system for a few of the really really high and bench presses are trained back home in Europe. They seem to also respond to these people. Oh that are have been training like well more than ten years which is and so when you default on obviously if you'll begin intermediate advanced what's how how you define someone who crosses that. Yeah it's hard because you have to. The training age is a popular opener an expression but is not only that because if you have you have to also look at look at the results because we have a like for instance the guy that are Swedish guy that wanted to subdue news yesterday he is an absolute beast performs on the highest level broke sub-unit world record. But he's a he's in years an absolute beginner. I think trained like two or three two years or something. That's a beginner. Yeah well here's a beginner but it seems to be trying in a bigger so he will probably be at least semi advanced even though he's only trained for like a year and a half two years so we have to factor in like. How do they move and everything but what kind of waste are they shifting? But I'm lucky if you just roughly say I two three years that will be like a beginner. Like OPPORTU lock four for five years. Since then you've experienced everything anyone that have been training strictly for lifting for more than like five years five six years. They'll be like a pretty advanced personnel. You have someone training for ten years that is like that is rock solid I guess when you cross over to that the upper threshold then things I mean not that recovery is not important when you're beginning still critical but when you get to that upper level if you if you miss you know certain certain aspects of your recovery then you can say degradation the longer you train and the head of the laws all those factors come into play even more by an Indian when when we talk about this being bingener on a not if you have people coming from cross it for instance because it's very relatable thing and you can have people training cross fit for six seven years Hans. Being very advancing cross fit. They start up doing powerlifting absolute beginners. There's almost the same thing not really is not the it's very similar but it's not the same so you'll have those people having uh once again. Absolute begins straight up and they also There are surprises everyone else. Uh for us but for other cross-fitters admit I thought thought. I thought that I thought this girl strong. Yeah you haven't even nearly tapped into the potential because you're diluting the strength as you're looping yourself you're losing strength peak we're doing so much other stuff like not beneficial for your moving. Ah Yours in strength. So that's not meaning that they're not moving forward in Crossville. Wish they do of course. And of course if you go from being a high end cross fitter starting to powerlifting Clifton and then you go back to Crawford you will suck again if you do. Powerlifting lock on a longer period of time because you lose skill but I just meaning that everything. It's very specific and especially if you push yourself to the limits. We do this or do this. You have some sort of crossover effect but you will be better at the things you do. So that's what it makes sense when when we're talking about so I mean we talked a little bit of program design a bit about technique and all that stuff but in terms of of the other aspect of recovery so is huge pot of any sport but obviously huge impact lifting in terms of not having that neural take but being unable to appear. Does it. So y'all picking up the raw tom but also what advice. What are the general? Maybe no roadblock but what are the things that people need to think about with recovery when it comes to powerlifting yet so first of all I think that a AH logical thing that people understand one of the here is is that for instance if you look at squats and lifts compared to bench the Squat. What and the lift pattern look extremely similar narrow stance and dead lifter seminar astound squatter? The only difference if you look at if you take away the bars the bars lying on the ground one of the other ones you have insurance. So that's a fool fatigue very close to same things whereas the bench is completely completely different. You lying down oppressing like pressing vertically straightforward so. That means that you will be able to bench. Press a lot more often do squat. What and bench escort so generally not for everyone? But we're a lot of our lifters. They do we do. Look to to force Spitzer do squat two times a week two times per week and do four times per week. I've trained very few people that have benched less less than three times per week. I can't on top of my head almost remember anyone the last few years because you you can have a lot more higher frequencies you don't fatigue not cacophony Because the volume's low intensity out frequency the volume the total volume In terms of like your whole system the system load load is a lot less Comparative especially if you do squat and squadron deadly because they're so similar so if you do squat two times deadliest to chunk well. That's four times in a standing up position. You lift something from the floor. Have something on your back and then you can pretty much think maybe probably be able to do the same for bench which there's a complete different direction completely different muscles so that will probably be the first the first one don't be scared of having high high frequency in the benching but then in is also a matter of like you can't kill yourself every session but the rule that you can only like fatigue or south like once or twice per week in a movement is don on what is wrong. especially if you're going to be if you're going to be sufficient in you have to do it often repeated so that would probably be bench frequency OP- up ecorse monitoring so you don't go to heavier like you're having too much volume but the amount of punishment your upper body intake take is an. That's because you walk around on your hands on the data. Likely if you do squat and dental if you have to remember that if you take ten thousand steps today you walk around you on your on your legs on your feet you get in and out of a chair legs. You don't do that your arms the only one doing that cross-fitters walk around on the hands up. But it's not. It's not the same fatigue in your hands arms and shoulders so I think that also if you just sensible do other upper body you can bench quite a lot three at least three four. Maybe five times a week and then when when do you drop in supplemental lift or what I felt for those movements. Just call it. Bench press like accessory lifts for for those one and we'll do so first of all. We do a lot of variation so you only do flat competition benchpress every session maybe do along reports. Maybe do short pause like just touching goal maybe do it on pins on blocks. Maybe do with rubber bands assisted or you do against the rubber rebounds or you do dumble work which is essentially the same kind of press for justice slightly. Tweak so you can do the same movement pattern as in in the direction you a slight tweak with the either the police or the equity use you can use stumbles bars. Fat Act like a wider bar or anything like that so we have to have those things to play around with the same with this and the left. Maybe we don't we can only do that. Competition style heavy lift with belts. We do deficit. We do. Blocks can do remember band. Chains can do an altered style. If you do sumo the more you can do conventional if you do convention to sumo we can use to trap bar we can use the fat bar or anything like that so you do slightly tweak two stimulus but it's still very very close without without losing focus of doing what actually manage. which is the competition star? You will always find in the programs that we do. Ah The competition style bench that lift and squats every single week. Yeah by then small alterations also an when you come into like say monitoring or no you do a lot of work with the sky on how their fatigue had. I thought that workout was how they thought that lift was is there. Is there any other tools that you slay poor eurofatigue thing. Trying to put in our programs is now for some at least they monitor solid all round fatigue and sleep ranking but then again. It's hard enough for for a lot of people just to put down the EP for the right to proceed exertion forever set the addition information how accurate it. It's damn sure it's very usable if it's correct information but then again it seems like people sometimes don't have too much report so but what I would value and what I wanted to for instance sleep and how like the average chow feel in in a few different questions every single day and just by answering them I can kind of like because it stops me thinking about them. How useful the information asianised that remains? I don't really know but at least useful for me to reflect upon. It's everything so that can make me doing wiser choice with my own training and I hope that if we have that column in our programs at least some of them will reflect a member. Haven't slept my step three hours last two days. That's not really good. Maybe lower my expectations for this worker. But I think out of the out of all the aspects on all the questions I think sleep is probably the the most important one because if if people are sleep deprecated for like we will go down that's how it is And I think that we must in some way reinforce Setsu Joel people. I think that before at or before like years a years ago maybe it was kind of cool and I don't need to sleep more than five hours wasting my time like. I think that doesn't really sound cool anymore. No maybe it was cool ten years ago but it doesn't feel now like you. You hear people are trying to get my eight hours sleep. Whatever that is more? I think that's pretty important just on trying nothing. The science has emerged. Now that people realize yeah you can go without sleep for certain periods of time if you WanNa perform at your best the the top level athletes of the guys there were sleeping the most when it comes to the other aspect of recovery so nutrition side of things when you get someone to a certain level. What's nutritional approaches or do you outsource data? Or how does that work. If you're coaching someone and they get so we a really good question and one close to my to my heart also because for some reason and I think that also due to the culture before some some people have the mindset the powerlift has just been she whatever they want which is maybe for super heavyweights especially ten fifteen years. Maybe and maybe even today's true but the vast majority in ninety percent of all lifters are not super heavyweight lifters. We compete in weight categories. All the way from from the girls is forty seven fifty to fifty seven sixty three and so forth and the light is guys are fifty nine kilos. You can't be everything if you're fifty nine kilos seventy four eighty three no. You're going to be a fitness. All right so it's a matter like having s much quality foods in as you possibly can for you decide weight class and then if a person decides to going to ninety three of the one of five one hundred twenty class they will eat accordingly and my I asked that in my view is always been and it will be for the rest of my life is a sheet of food and everyone knows which food is. I think that's is also libranoy now that you have people like especially in the by for some reason. have some sorta like wonder diet doing this doing that. You have the people like drinking cream for for breakfast on the cream and Bacon and they claim that it's like that's the best thing for you like if you just take a step back analyze you'll know what shit food is. Good food is see if you compare like a fast food burger with a steak and some potatoes and vegetables. Like there's no no one can ever say that like a fast food choice is better. It might be suitable for that specific reason that you you don't have any other food food around. That's totally doable. But it will always be like a clear distinction what is good and was not good food and I think that we had a good seminar around this last last week when Bryce Lewis and vice courtship was here and talking about nutrition and Bryce Lewis said in order to break the rules. You have to know all all the rules this so if you have if you have a good conception of body food you come by all means you can have social dinners. You can have a burger or you can have a piece or whatever every now and then just because you know that you on the nine out of ten other options nine hundred ten other occasions you go like the the the good food way then you know you can break the rules because you know what the rules are but if you have people just been cheating competes donuts like hamburger's all the time. Well Looks Kinda messed up your over. You know so. You're eighty pizza. Yeah look almost once in like three months you taking things out of out the proportion so I think that And I think also the modern powerlift hasn't the guys that are stepping up on the world famous stage now they are way more all round athletes in all aspects that nutrition sleep and recovering everything than the lifters was at least like ten fifteen years ago on a special like the heavier guys back. We'll just comes down to like awareness social media people learning more. You can do you realize that you know even for Mayo Attrac- attract my sleep. I can save of had something not to wait for dinner that night on my Mahat variability my body body temperatures all off. And it's like that's just one one meal and if you multiply that over five weeks six weeks a year ten years your results going to be as good as well. So that is the logic and then it's also how How we want athletes to see it and but then again I think that the the the culture can be or that the perception of culture more more than actual culture might be a little bit deceptive and that they That people have some sort of Montijo knocking everything. I won't well you can if you want to like. It's not going to have asked good results. If you actually think about we eating but but then again you have the other side and we see this also here in denial on but p over emphasizing the amount of luck or the importance of food and supplements up laments but the boring thing with sports nutrition. If you look at the actual sport nutrition science is that hasn't changed range much like the last frigging fifty years but because humans are the same so you have like certain you have to have a certain the amount of protein you have to have some sort of good fats and you have to have carbs. That's like basic basic basic sports nutrition. It's the same now as well as before. It's really interesting. Also so in my father's remember he started like lifting in the late. Sixties in the bodybuilding magazines from the sixties. Sixty eight sixty. He has all issues from MMA magazine called Hecklers back in Sweden Sixty eight sixty nine seventy seventy one. The advice for nutrition in those magazines could could be taken from the frigging instagram today. Nine hundred sixty eight okay and that that could be portrayed This is the new shit right here. Well it's it's a sense to six this man so very between might have come like ups and downs. But it's it's still goes back to the same thing keep it simple. Just how if you have your demands from entering the demands for energy has to be she has to be set you have to have enough energy and then if you want to gain weight you have a little more loose weight heavily with less. Just make make smart food choices and it will be right in terms of like getting stronger building more muscle you need to ban somewhat of for the sort of in terms of this appears of time. I mean people have tried to do this. Occasional putting muscle on while maintaining calorie calorie balanced or just below in small like it might be possible in very small groups and look very control setting. Maybe but if you're going to be bigger and stronger you have to eat a little bit more than than before a little bit more when you actually when you're on a calorie balance that's just how it is and was also that because it's very very common thing that people come in and say okay our way ninety-six. My goal is to do the same way as I do now. Hopefully more but in ninety-three category so that under the Advice will always be and that's not culture reason that is for like absolute logical reasons. Do not screw up and start screwing around with your food and try to go on a diet here. If you're going to be a stronger if empty be stronger. The advice will be aimed to be stronger except that you will most likely gain a few pounds and do the first competition. Like if you're in the running for a medal at a in the national championship and you weigh fifty nine and you could potentially go down to the fifty seven all right. Go for it. But if you're doing it I power meat and you weigh ESA girl say seventy four or seventy five desperately desperately want to go down through seventy two. Don't do it just way whatever you way. It doesn't matter like just performance while as you can and hopefully we we managed to. I know for a fact in some of the cases that I've tried to get this across have not worked at all but some of them actually works which is Ria. Yea that's feels nice. Do you have any horror stories of people coming into the first. Powerlifting mates and I've tried a new supplement until they've tried a new dodwell Detroit. Something just hasn't worked nights. I can take one eight actually semi work but I wouldn't recommend it for anyone was one of the one of the clients that I have a very good member. Here also does bobble. He was going in the Wade around. Seventy two I think seventy two seventy three and it was a week out from the me and he said I want WanNa go into sixty six. I said no I do not support that by enemies and he looked at me and said I WANNA do I said I don't give a shit I do. I'm not support that. So he says. Can you help me with the water loading and cutting which I easily can do. But I said no I will not be a part of it and he and he said okay except that. You don't want to do to help me but I will. I will try to solve my own. Said Good luck to you. But I I hope that you find within yourself. You go into seventy four category shows up on meet day. Looks like an absolute ghost weighs in at sixty five point nine. Do One lift in each of the of the lifts and we have three attempts and it was like absolute delude dilute and his mindset is so strong managed to do fairly good results anyway but the the way he looked and the way you felt I I won't recommend it but have a really good story about an also. This is even more extreme in. I think it was two thousand nine. Ah We had One of our lifters going for a world record and bench press. The cut off was one hundred and ten so he came to the arena the night before four and he weighed one hundred and seventeen point eight. I think it was and this is the night before. And he's There was a guy from a neighboring to to Austin he asked us to bring our competition scales. A Hey pat competition scale. I WANNA leave myself. And he weighed one hundred. Seventy seventy nine point eight and we looked at each other whole his smoked and he just sat and sleep too much tonight. The hell you're GONNA do that. Maybe in the Zona so Marvan kill came. He went in one hundred nine point nine nine and we were absolutely absolutely how. How did you saw that? I wasn't a sonal for six or seven hours straight. This was in Finland so it was pretty cool because it came into the sauna was some Finnish Finnish guys there from some other sports remember and they they said like okay. Now you got now. We're going to outsource you said you're going to lose because I'm going to be here for a few hours. So after three hours guys left so we continue for a few hours after that. So whatever ever. He skipped the warm up because his leg. Starting to cramp up remers was bench so he doesn't need his legs anyway. So the the lack strong cramping ditch to warm up on the podium. Load the world record. which was I can't even remember what it was? The one hundred ten kindergarten by that was probably close to three hundred. Did the world record. Came out starring cramping up and the guy says that helped him after the way in con- You rehydrate on food. Yeah you can you can. If you lost seven point eight kilos in lucky nights sonar. You can only hydrate so much so he just skipped the last two attempts he actually did the same thing on the nationals. Just a few months after an totally crashed after the competition had had to go to hospitals so but the the basic rule here is like you can for sure water load and water cuts few kilos. If you're if you're a decent size nice guys it's no problem to cutting maybe two and a half three kilos in a week More than that is starting to be a little bit little bit risky Eh. And the hydration is is the most important thing rehydrate after doing that is important also to have food hydration. That's the key steps and you spoke about just before and we Spoke About offline you run seminars here. Can you talk about what what what you do on the education side of things we do. We do like very often And just running running here. Is We do workshops so every second or third week something like that. We do either snatched based work shop clean and jerk ish workshop squats Sebanji or dead lift workshop. Also do like a full on introduction to weightlifting which is of course both of the women's or introduction to powerlifting which is a full seminar four hours on all three movements and we do this show first of all the small seminars. Hasn't the separate squat bench and dads are free for members and then cost very nothing one hundred and fifty four non-members. Do you take the moores who I do. It's or Chris or Dan do the powerlifting he wants INA are weightlifting. Coach do weightlifting one. So we just we have a schedule running and like we tried to so not so. We're not do the same on all the time but yet for some for the reason that we have as are Kinda like our closest to heart movement. I've done a few of the bench bench ones Chrissy. Teigen few squat wants. Dan has done a few of the delegates wants. And I've also had Chris done a few of the one of the veterans also. We just we have some sort of that absolute passion. So it's seem fitting out that way when we do the introduction powerlifting where all three there and that's also select like a half day seminar. There's more meaty than the than the other ones. And that's also not free for members that's attend that is there is a small fee. Boy Do luck. It's to assist very very cheap for we want to spread the knowledge we don't overcharged lodged wants So that we do on running running basis we've also had the global strength summit. We had last year when we had a lot of the world's best coaches not this coming through so we have done that two years for this year. I think just in terms of like we're running out of time we're running out of space in the calendar we will not do in the same setting this year. We might do something smaller but for sure we have in the pipeline for the falling. Elaine for years we're going to have some sort of big conference again. Do Bias also such a nice area for people to come from other nations to come here so easy to get so just on education. What's I guess? WHO The people you look up to in the industry and what content if you consume content? Whether it's books so youtube you bore podcasts. Or whatever it is how do you get your information. So one of the my biggest inspiration like Lack of all time will be much to share which is the guy that Trains me as of now. He wrote The reactive training system manual must be like ten years years ago or something so. He's not a huge instagram putting out content there type of guy but he has a good podcast. Reactive Training System Also the guy that were here last week bryce crosscheck from Canada. He has an extremely good youtube. Channel Co Calgary barbell wishes incredible. The movies have incredible quality. The contents is incredible very pedagogic and everything so for beginners interest or intermediate or even like expensive. After Calgary Barbara Youtube will be the place to go for real nice information and then you have of course like like Bryce Lewis and his whole crew with the TSA strength. The strength outlets systems is also good in Sweden. We have a GEICO Xander Ericsson which put Lot good content there In terms of whilst we got you have if you want to be more in depth in the hypertrophy and the nutritional side AMC Helms and Greg Knuckles and they also have m the newsletter mass. That is out. You can also subscribe to So one of the podcast. I've listened to recently quad is Iran culture which is with Eric Helms and Omar of and also a lot of. There's a lot of good content. They're coming out so I would say for for the most accessible content that will be bryce quote check category Barbell. Aw that's practical. Powerlifting knowledge like packages and packing. The supergrit coors was an honor to have him here to for Laura had him here for a week. Yeah let's that's the beauty of having your own facility in the only Palestine places like when the palace has come to do by the cancer you so I'm so we're starting to get to the end of the interview so I just got a couple of questions as to wrap it up and just to for the listeners just to find a little bit more about yourself so rapid fire questions take as long as you want to answer them but first one is favorites book can be training book can be any book. WHOA favorite book? That's a hard one was so they will be switched because we mafia was about the like the underground crying world in Sweden which is pretty. It's pretty cool because we have as there's quite a few things linked to my city. They're especially with the hells angels so Swedish Mafia the book on Swedish crime. That's pretty cool. Also in favorite favorite movie l.. Let's I I must be a little bit boring and There's two of them so my absolute favorite movie of all time. The people who know me know I will say top gun which is epic and classic in terms of quality as in acting star will probably say shawshank redemption is kind of boring because I think like nine out of ten people have that on the list. But it's insanely good so I was a tie between top gun and Shawshank redemption for different reasons both very completely different completely different there. Is this new topgun coming thing next year so and in next summer. Yeah you'll be. I in one high will disclaimer here. I saw top gone. The first here are saw topgun. Eleven Times I saw the Premiere Nineteen eighty-six me and my best friend. Nick went with my mom. And so it and we both cried when goose died. Hope spoiler alert their hope. We haven't seen that so we both breath cried and we both denied it never happened. And cheap mill cheat meal that we'll be my own Burger we barbecue lots and by law. I mean at least four or five times so he yeah what that will be my own Burger and five purchase inside the last twelve months to years that had a big impact with you bought something something for training or something health while something for the club. That's had a big impact on your life cannot be could be an APP when you could be so good. That will be investment to get a coach with reactive training system and starting logging my training on their APP there by four because that's that's a pretty big investment and I think is also one of the best that I've have done. So that's I will be in investing in hisself. Yes is there a quart or fries that you'd say often when you're coaching someone or the guys here does it. Bob will be familiar with you. Sang all the time on there. Probably but maybe not suitable for Now not a not a famous quote by coaching or anything anything honoree one of my favorite quotes when it comes to To training per se. Uh when it comes to getting a message across was actually from. What's his name? The strength sense wasn't this is Charles Pulls so I'm not too much familiarized with his work But he had a call. You can fire cannon from canoe and I think that's really nice. I've there's a lot of things to be said about the things I know about his systems and his training But that is the good one. Yeah Yeah I think with Charles Pollen done quite a few of his courses of known him well. Obviously he's gone now but he's he's ability to tell oh good stories and to have amazing lack anecdotes and things. He was very good at captivating room. Then I'm always like if you have someone portraying portraying themselves as an absolute guru that's usually not super grade doesn't a bit red flag but that's resonates with me and I use a special when I coach bench press and would you. It's a hard question whether I would have an answer for someone you've asked me this. But what's your training philosophy. In your way. You could catch encapsulate your philosophy on training and strength drinks catch now now would probably be movement skill. It's kind of like and not balls to the wall of this. It'd be movement skill and precision or any of those kind of pretentions world's words So just trying to trying to perfect the movements Rather than balking them building a lot of muscles and then luck yeah Kuku all right so finally where. Where can people getting contact with you? What's the best place to get in contact with you? Yeah the probably the best way is sir either. Contact details on the DB That's Barbara Instagram. Or my own. which is for specific recently called Impor- you this weed it says Has the story of that also. That was my nickname back home. which is a Swedish You can I've My name is Patrick. You can also search for that so on the ground. We'll be easy cool. Awesome Disney putting adding words or anything Samora. I think to hope to see as many people as possible dropping by and also. I can say that if you're a the accident you have a free day. Pass too young for sure. Look at the club. Put Up. Put All your details all the links on the Charlotte so people be able to to find you to thank you for your time. Thank you for spending with me has been awesome. I'll see you at the next permit. Yes I hope you enjoyed this interview with Patrick as much as I did conducting it. He's doing some great work here in Dubai for powerlifting in the powerlifting community highly recommend checking being out he's facility if you're in town and if you have time definitely recommend you'd come and watch one of Palestine mates they're an awesome spectacle and you get inside into the lifting community year in Dubai until next time. Stay strong UH.

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Whats Your Reward System? - Ep. 48

Business & Biceps

06:28 min | 4 months ago

Whats Your Reward System? - Ep. 48

"Yoyo daily fire episode forty eight if it's trust turn it off but if it has value please share it out for me. Of course it's brought to you by Max. Effort MUSCLE DOT COM for all. Your supplement needs go to maximum for muscle DOT COM and. You're listening to the business. M BICEPS NETWORK EPISODE. Forty eight so. I think this is important. A lot of people don't do this for themselves. Some people don't need it but some people absolutely need it and that's a reward system. So what does yours look like and you might that might sound like so elementary right but people will work harder. Do More overdeliver when they're something at the end of the rainbow when the pot of gold. Is there whatever that might be in? So that's why entrepreneurs and business people have all these goals outlined in. It doesn't matter if that's not what you do for your your life or your work. You should also have these things Outlined in your life and one thing I preached in the Fitness World. All the time is part of the reason why would get in crazy. Shape was four. These old magazines shoots or for bodybuilding. Show or I'd have a powerlifting meet. I always have something on the calendar and there would be essentially a reward at the end of the work right. That was into that I that I look forward to that I wanted to accomplish. And so you know people ask me but what can that be for me and I would say if you lose twenty pounds book vacation if you lose fifty pounds book the trip on your bucket list like set up something that makes you on the day where you don't want to do it on the day when you don't WanNa to be there on the day when you feel like shit that you still get it done because that reward system is in place that is a strategy to be more successful see people they trip out on this and they don't do it. I'm telling you it's a difference maker because if there's always something and it doesn't have to be material it could be. It could be whatever whatever moves the needle for you talk about all the time you know yourself you know what's going to move the needle for me. That's going to make me get out of bed on that day when I don't want to what's GonNa move the needle for me instead of drinking on a Wednesday when I'm not supposed to do what I you know what's going to help that discipline so if you have the reward system in place then. That's you know that's the way to do. It now could be a lavish item. Eventually for business goal. It could be. It could be all kinds but whatever it is for you so one of the things I was thinking about this morning was and this is gonNA sound funny but I'm working on Dunkin of basketball again right as almost forty two. You're a forty two year old athlete. That's going to be in five eleven. That's going to be a challenge and I started calling it the Dunkin gold chain project. Now just funny. Because that's kind of my personality is the kind of things that I if you look at my things I do. In the fitness world always ripping off old like hip hop covers and things of that nature scouting my vibrate and I've been one-goal gold chain not something crazy but I'm like you know what I'm GonNa call the Dunkin Gold chain project because if I can dunk the basketball ten feet off Alaba. Whatever then I'll start going to look at that reward for all this work on the days where I don't WanNa do the extra tendon work on the days. I don't want to drag this sled on the you know what I'm saying. You have to have something. That's like a carrot. Dangled there for you to go get it in. You can find that out in from quarter to half a year to year in just continued this process consistently time after time after time again. What do you think compounds to? It's GonNa compound because you keep hitting goals getting that little carrot hitting a goal. Get that carrot boom. Eventually the care gets real big. And so you gotTa know that. It's not everything it doesn't fill you up all the way it's a small thing that something real quick it's material but a lot of times if it's something you're after interested in or enjoy it will remind you daily if it's something that you wear a rock or whatever that that's how you accomplished it in so I really think now. Some people's reward system is the scorecard business. Which is numbers you know. Johnny talks about that all the time and I respect the crap out of that. He's not really into material items he is when it comes like art and things of that nature but when it comes the business that's the scorecard is the numbers he doesn't even the actual money is something that obviously pushes four. But that's not really the the ultimate thing it's really about that number equivalent to what his business skills were. It's like it's really interesting. I've never met anybody like that so I'm a little bit more on the thing like I think growing up watching so many like mob movies and hip hop videos. It was more like you know cars or material items but once I got that stuff I realized. That's not really the end. All be all. It's the thing that having it's really about. The pursuit of happiness is the pursuit of really the process. It's the happiness you achieved through the process of uncovering things about yourself that you're willing to do in that. The strategy is working. Because you've got everything set up and then by that allows you to push yourself to another level so take the serious figure out something that you WanNa make happen set it up with an attainable goal. That's going to push you to another level in when you reach it book. It get it by do it. Whatever it is and I'm telling you it's only gonNA fill you up for a second but it's worth it because then what's the next thing and the next thing and over time I swear to you? If you fall this process it can compound into some crazy stuff at the end of the day. You're in charge of your own intrinsic motivation. Sometimes the external motivation of other things like this strategies helps feed that and then together. The net is just an amazing product in result so daily fire episode forty-eight if it's turn it off that has value please share it off for me brought to you by MAX EFFORT MUSCLE DOT COM. And you're listening to the business BICEP NETWORK. Cr later piece.

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Power Project EP. 139 - Garrett Fear & Michael Baxter

Mark Bell's Power Project

1:56:43 hr | 2 years ago

Power Project EP. 139 - Garrett Fear & Michael Baxter

"Pat. Lactating for the first time. I remember I remember my first lactation. Did you force it out? Yeah. I did as playing within squeezing it and liquid came out. And I got real scared until my dad. Helen, the hell you're supposed to have been six hundred pounds on your titties lactating. I don't ever expect a bunch of pounds. So so, yeah, I recall like consistently budget over four hundred. Three fifty. Did. You know that everybody mentioned three fifty everybody in high school. Eventually everybody claims who've been three. Oh, yeah. Like when we go to we go to trade shows, we go to the Arnold me. Go to these different shows, and we'll ask somebody will size them up for a slingshot and try to see what slingshots appropriate for them. And every guy is three fifty. And then I'm like, well, what is three fifty on the bar, and they're like, well, it's I'm like you'd never did three because three fifty is actually very complicated to get on the bar school. Do a lot of math. A lot of plates with I'm told me he bench three twenty six. Competitively pilot. He's like not. The fuck of the. Yeah. How'd you get this weird mix of weights? Good for you, three fifteen or three twenty five not three twenty six point six. The clips. Oh, Where'd you can be? So so what what we've had a lot of people on here. You know in the past of scientists had doctors at all kinds of different people that have come through. And we've had some experts on like digestion and nutrition. And I heard you guys talking in the break room. And it sounds like you guys are experts when it comes to poop. And so I have a I have a very serious poop question. And I think Andrew is going to have some follow up as well. Because he's got he's got worse problems than idea. Yeah. I have the answer. I think that you guys will be able to help me quite a bit. So I I do my business in the morning like I wake up pretty early. And it's probably about an hour after I wake. But it doesn't really matter if I eat food or not it's just an hour after I'm awake after poop. So I know this. So I wake up in preparation for this. And I try not to have to shit when I come here. So I try to take care of business at home. And I and my whole body include my brain, everybody's involved, and we have this discussion. Okay. Like, we're done. Right. Like, everybody's good. Like we. Agreed. We sat down we took the time to take a dump. And we'll take extra time to try to force anything extra out in case. There's extra there. And it's like, no, it seems like everything's sealed up your good to go, buddy. Stand up clean everything up get out of there. Maybe I cook. Or maybe I, you know, start prepping to to leave the house, I'll get some food prepared for the day loaded into my car, and I'm like, Yep. All right time to go, and I'll start my car, and it'll be like, oh my God. I have to shit again. Yeah. So the second wave comes in and Andrew, and I just been made aware that that's what it's called. It's called the second way. And and I don't know what to do about the second wave how to handle it how to deal with it. But it slows down my day. And it makes me late all the time for stuff. So you you you perform the second wave when you get to work then or do you now into the driveway out of the car? It's an emergency. Yeah. I gotta go. I'm like holding gas station seven eleven I don't think holding your butt cheeks helps but I hold my budgies as I'm running to the door. Yeah. It's holding your cheeks I feel like it's more like a it's a butthole flexing. You have to you have to figure out a lot more to this than physically with your hands, squeezing, your cheeks. I've never done that one. Andrew had some like technique. You've got to keep the knees. Bent a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. And then you can't like if it hits you if you run in the house as soon as it hits you is asking for it. You kind of go into a full sprint. You wait for the pressure to kind of relieve itself, and then you take off because usually if you time it right by time as far as the build up again. That's when you're sitting down, and it just fucking squirting everywhere. And see the second wave is annoying to me because when I'm preparing to take my normal timed poops, you know, I pull golf clash out. Log in make sure all my rewards are up-to-date pick the proper, you know, golf course that I want to go on everything. Nice situated get my dude. Wipes off to the side. And and yeah, he's wipes. Man. I have like five years of powerlifting hemorrhoids. I just can't do. I can't do. Like, we said on the chest. Yeah. The idea to do maybe actually had after the bodybuilding show that I did everyone told me like the catastrophic like shit said I'm going to take and they. It was crazy because he go from not eating too. You know, eating whatever you want. And it was it was pretty bad. But I I couldn't believe what a bitch. I was. I was so sensitive to a regular toilet paper. I was like we gotta we gotta stop off. And we gotta get so I use my wife's like stuff that she uses the roof makeup. She's like, I think this will work, and I was like are you sure I'm like, I don't wanna put weird stuff up there. And she's like, yeah. Go for it. And she's a genius it saved my life. That's a good. That's a good. I was in a bind is in a tough. It was bad. I probably it's going now I travel with that because you can get like you can't always get baby wipes at the airport had to find out the hard way too. But you can get those makeup things just about anywhere on my life. I pack I shouldn't have gave that away shooting. Have to make the right patient. Not have given that away for free that should have been on my life. I brought my little gym bag here to train, and I made sure that the only the only accessory. I brought with me was the travel size of wipes just in case site. Not just in case. Let's be honest. I'm going to poop twice while I'm here. Yeah. Because waters turn back on right? Finger breaking through a toilet paper. And. It can happen and half a lot and empower listening to get before before you really start eating and meal prepping and eating all the extra food because you're lifting weights you're used to maybe wine AB to poops today. I've always been like a six time with this. That's what I'm saying a whole lot. Yeah. And they're never they're never the go high frequency. Yeah. They're never the ghost poops. They're the ones that you might in wipe and wipe in. And it's like you're clear crown. Yeah. You're wiping mortar being an expo marker. Expo marsha? Yeah. Exactly. So how much more could possibly be in? So white PR white. I guess we learned so far the more you eat the more. You poop the more. You poop. Yep. So we're getting we're getting somewhere. Thank people known that for a couple of hundred years, but we can say we can see all the all the all beans bean song when you're a kid. The more the more you to say something like that. Yeah. But it seems as a magical fruit, the more you eat, the more you too. Yeah. But it's more eat the more. You poop the mortgage soup. The better you feel. Yeah. Yeah. More food more poop. Let's I think people listening are probably getting confused because we didn't to scientific you know, we're getting too far into the weeds. So what happened with the water here? I get a call from smokey is voices all shaking, and he's like water got knocked out. And I'm like what the hell's walked in. And just go on to give us our little tour, and she's just like asthma throw access to bows. And I was like fucking Dolly, man. Yeah. So I had my fiance. Kaley shoot first. And then I an Mike shoots. And so my first hit the target pretty good. And the second one. Pulls back and shoots hits the wood. And then you hear. Behind somehow behind the book the board. That's there behind the targets. They went through that board and hit the one inch. Copper it's not even an inch that copper pipe is not. There is a perfect amount of space above and below the aero in the pipe, and we hit that would multiple times. And none of the arrows went that far. So we think he probably also hit an old hole. And then I felt terrible. I felt absolutely terrible. A good thing. It wasn't a gas line. I was saying we'll place blow up because he broke super tricky. It's a good thing. The waterline was in the outside of the drywall like that was what I was thinking to afterwards, we would have had to bus through the drywall and figure out you know, how to stop that. I didn't help at all. I'm saying we figure out I didn't do anything. I tried. But everybody's so hospitable here. I was like let me let me help let me pay for it. No. No. It's okay. And then like I walk away because it's my money. Yeah. See? Fucking high here. I don't wanna I don't wanna be that guy pay for it. I don't wanna be that guy. You know? It's like, they don't know me. And then everybody's like, I can't believe this asshole. Just I I'm sorry. Yeah. My wife was like what a terrible shot. I was like what an amazing show. That's really retried. We sat there for like four hours. We wouldn't ever hit it. No. So I was like Mark probably will think this is about us. And it was it was still within like three or four inches of the target. It was it was like I thought it was great. So I got here this morning. And I couldn't the second wave hit my driveway. And I was like, wow. Okay. I got a squat. And this is happening. I was just going to work. So I had just stay clenched up the whole time. That was the hardest league day that we've had since we started because I couldn't shit. Honestly. Like now, I feel the worst ever like when I said I felt bad yesterday's happening in the two of you had to hold both of your second wave shits in. Honestly, I can't live with my second. Every second wave from the previous shows. So cars letter. Okay. Just a nice letter. It'd be nice heavy. That'd be a good place to start. Okay. That's where I yeah letter. Yeah. How'd you guys get into powerlifting? He was in before me. I'll let him go. I honestly I've always been into lifting. And I've genetically was not the am not built like a powerlifter. And I was always a good bencher. Even when I was quite a bit smaller. Like, I I wait just at two hundred pounds now like to a one zero two, and when I started lifting I weighed about one hundred and forty nine pounds. I still kind of like benching around like the three hundred the three hundred range and stuff just always a decent bencher. And then I started looking up, you know, powerlifting videos on on YouTube in checking out, you know, all these guys that were, you know, benching all these enormous amounts of weight. And I was like I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna try to do this just with bench. My very first powerlifting. Meet I did was bench only. I think I bench like three twenty three at one hundred seventy one pounds or something like that. And then as like as I vault I at that meat. I saw a couple of guys dead lifting house pretty cool. You know, I wanna do that too. And you know, so it evolved from there. But honestly, the the main thing that got me into it was watching. I lifted at a lot of commercial jams. And if you go around our area were, you know, where we where we live where the gym that I own is. I was key areas that in south bend, Indiana. Yup. Gyms called east race muscle. Jimmy charter all of them. I mean, we we were kicked out of every commercial Jim dad lifting for yelling, chalk, we'd bring our own music couple of funding story when we first met, and we're politics this gym, someone left a note at the time up before your muscle your team huff, fitness and someone just left a note on the communists at team health, fitness, no shirts loud noises. And if he will leave notes that we were stealing bars because I'd bring my own dead lift bar in. And so they'd see us walk out with it. And like say these guys are stealing bars like every night. Count the bars. At some point, you realize that there's no bars left in the gym has many bars, we take out, but. I wanted to I like at that point. There was the powerlifting scene. I guess in our area in the midwest. And general was non exist outside of Columbus. There was nothing there. And you know, we started off just a few guys more or less as a club getting together, and it was more on the motivation side because we were able to lift together Bill each other up, and, you know, look good way of like, you know, checks and balances among five dudes to it was a it was a good way just to make sure that like all sorts of other in the same place doing our thing. Right. So we, you know, at at one point we were tired of being kind of kicked out or like handcuffed at the commercial gyms that we're at and so I own a couple of other businesses in one of our warehouses. We threw up a old shitty platform squat rock on a bench that we built we built the bench. Yes. That is true story, and we started lifting in the corner of the warehouse while we start throwing things up on social media people with hit hit me up and say, hey, you know, I wanna. Come lift with you guys is at the other corner. Yeah, we're house which was like a big old back storage room. And so five people turn into ten people turn into fifteen people. And at this point, you know, I was kinda thinking, maybe I have something here, you know, and shit or get off the pot. And so I pull the trigger on a building. And we opened up I would say Lou over two years ago now. Pretty pretty. Yeah. Pretty small group of people that were really into the strength strength training, the powerlifting Olympic lifting side of it. And it's grown exponentially. And to be honest with you. We're the only we're the only powerlifting strength training facility in our area and pretty much the only thing outside of Chicago within a tri-state area. Yeah. So we get a lot of people that travel just to come train at our facility, and there ain't shit else to do around there. There's there's shit else to do. I mean, drugs go to go to the university park mall about it. But to think they call it fuck all out there, there ain't fuck all to do. Fuck all the no there ain't fuck all the due to kind of go back to how me and this guy got into it the other. He was Arkansas. I can tell that. All right, go home until that part. So at the time, I was like I was working three jobs, and I was fresh out of high school, and I wanted to go into physique. And so I was working at a world, Jim, and I fucked is a horrible fucked up, but I also did personal trailing out of the gym called. Machine work. She didn't work out. And so one day, I'm in there and. Guys to beard, guys. Once fuck and fat and bald the other one's got Pat who's down his arm, and they're just like fucking. I don't know what they're doing it to be fucking loud. And like at the time, I thought it was cool. And so I didn't say anything to him. But then there was a girl in the group of the fat and Baldwin's that. So he's I know he's listening to he's still fat involved. And so. Basically, I lifted with one of the other people in the group, and then they invited me to come to the quote unquote, team training and just kind of been one of those things where ever since like, I haven't even though I moved I live in Indianapolis now and he lives in south bend. I've still like Easter eggs muscle and like that group and like Cammarata rebuilt like that's my life. But the path like GARRETT'S path is always been the two of us. Yeah. I mean, we from the second that the second I met him. And you know, he kinda started putting his trust in to me. And I learned his back on his his story his life. It definitely reminded me a lot of my own. And so I kind of like took him more under my wing. And I didn't know what the fuck. I was talking about with powerlifting. Everything I'd learned was the age difference between the two he's thirty four. And I'm twenty one. Okay. Yeah. And so everything that I was learning was just absorbing everything. I possibly could. So I was trying to teach him based off of limited knowledge of just lifting in powerlifting. Tuition? Forums. And and and. It worked. It really did. Definitely. It was our bench workouts were purely built up a bench matrix online him like it was an old muscle and fitness magazine from one thousand nine hundred I push poll with them like two days out. I like pitted. Lift PR. Shit that. Yeah. It was it was fun being from Indiana. You know, that's a hotbed for wrestling professional wrestling, you guys into professional wrestling. I grew up very I think that you can't live in that area without being into it. One of my favorite wrestlers of all time is from their ultimate warrior. Yeah. That's where he. That's where he grew up. He talked a lot about, you know, living in that area. And how he never realized you know, how much depression was a huge part of his life and his family's life. And he didn't know until they got older until they moved like, Arizona. He didn't really understand. It was strictly just the weather. It's mainly just the weather wasn't really necessarily like all these people in this area. Suck it was the weather. He's off everybody kisses everybody off. And then literally you're not getting the same amount of sunlight, so there's physiological things going on inside your body. And there's things that are causing. This real world real world problems. And then. And then. On top of that a lot of times in those kinds of areas. People aren't maybe eating the best that they should maybe health is not part of the country's mid west. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. Right, right. There's a lot of lot of obesity, a lot of disease, what's hibernating theory. And it's all just piles up on it self. You're staying indoors, you know, five months out of the year, your nine going out and doing things problem to is our winter value also two in the area is placed on a lot of different things. Right. Like, it's not it. Of course. Like everywhere, you live, your looks are always they're always thing. Right. But it's not like you have to have your shirt off nine months out of the year. Whatever it's not not a pool party nine months of the year. Yeah. So the value of what you can do. And what you're able to do is different. I remember I lived in Louisville Kentucky for a while. And I remember I went to go to a sports bar just wanted to get some like wing. So it was just a just felt like some buffalo wings, and I went to pull in and I could barely even get my car into the parking lot like what's going on here. And it was car racing. It was like the Indianapolis five hundred was going on that day. Yeah. And every bar every sports bar was absolutely insanely fuck knows leading. That is to what I was like, whoa. I was like this is crazy. And you don't see that out here. I mean, people love car racing all over the world. But it just like I said the value is on some different things in mill the country, even even like the the car racing side of it. It's it's interesting. I'm not into it at all. But even my business partner, they literally officer and own race cars. We of race cars circle tracks dirt tracks stuff like that. And that's all the way up in, you know, south Ben, it's it's insane. It is. And it's it's different culture. I think the mid west is purely built on professional sports teams. Yeah. It's kind of like a it's very die hard in that aspect. It's a are you of this fan or that Ben, right? That's the depiction of your entire personality. It's it's a political the political standpoint, right? And maybe even college got Notre Dame. Right. Yeah. We're gonna names literally probably a mile and a half from our Jim. Yeah. Right. So and then how how is have you guys been affected by that and your life? If you guys been affected by the weather because been affected by depression. And some of those things me like I handled things pretty well. Depression was never really a problem for me for me. It was always more anxiety dwelling on like the future and where I'm going to be in five ten years. So the weather I was a fucking psycho as a kid, I was barefoot all fucking time. In the winter. I would bring a trash bag outside on the fucking concrete when the sun was out Tim ten in the in the fucking song. I was crazy. I don't think I I guess I don't think I don't overanalyze it. I guess I mean, I was born and raised there. So I still live in the same area. Now, I've been I've been able to travel everywhere in in in my life. Which has been nice, and I've got to see a lot of places got to go to a lot of different places experience a lot of different cultures. And to be honest with you, I'm always excited to go back home. So I think it's where I live not. I think it's where I live though, being you know, an hour and fifteen minutes from downtown Chicago, and they twenty five minutes from Lake Michigan like where I'm at is a little different. There's things around that allow me to kind of do different things. Also, maybe you have good perspective. Sometimes you got you know, you can look at any area that you live in be frustrated with it, Indianapolis, that's the top golf now. So that's that's what it's about and living in I've seen the growth of where I live to just exponentially. And that's the same Indianapolis to actually Indianapolis and Columbus right now are to the fastest growing said his new us. Yeah. Columbus was when I lived in Columbus. It was crazy. Traffic. Yeah. There was traffic everywhere because the city wasn't really prepared to grow with the amount of people that were coming in to it was it was wild. Have you guys ever ventured out to Westside barbell? I've been to west Eibar Bill. I have not got invited twice. I've not been there. Yeah. It's a little it's a little. It's a little scary. You know a. There's a it's definitely a thing to go there. What was your experience, sir? I honestly I when I go down to Columbus. Matt winnings. Always been kind of the the guy that lets me and my crew come in and train and stuff, I visited west side, and it was more or less. Hey, I got to go check it out as a power lifting, you know, fan and everything else. But even now when you're in the air, you go to Matt's. Oh, yeah. Even this last time. I mean, I actually didn't even we go to the aren't we've gone to Arnold every year for the past eleven years. It was my first time. And this is the I didn't even walk into the expo this time. I try I trained at Louis Magnus a couple times always down. There went to a couple of other gyms did a bunch of different things at that point. I was I was more excited to do that than to to go walk around elbowed asshole with a hundred thousand people I just stayed in the cage time, I was an occasional sane amount of people hard to get around. Did you see Ben Pollard post the? On classic bingo board. No, dude. It was fucking. It was like nipple guy. Like Mark one frequency like nipple guy like fake tits. I'm like well all day. And that's the thing. Like it's changed for me that eleven years ago when we went to the Arnold. We're like, let's let's get as many free things as we can get you know, like it was it was a race to see who could have the the most shit stuff. Yeah. The most free stuff, and then as you evolve into this sport. And you know, you realize you don't need all the supplements. You just need to take trend and hasn't that's it. I mean, you you don't steak steak. You don't I mean? None of that stuff. You're not into that stuff. Actually to be honest with you I- kudos to the Arnold. It's actually volved quite a bit to where it's definitely focusing more on the sports strike sports or like in the obstacle of the Arnold huge. Their obstacle course. Sports like the, but I mean, adding like more state stages like, you know, rogue adding a couple of stages and stuff like that. Yeah. Like all that kind of stuff is they're starting to space out more of the vendors stuff to get rid of some of the, you know, most depressing day in my life was going to the Arnold classic. And being so hyped up over the years. I I went there every year before I was ever a vendor, and I'd walk into that first room and the WPRO finals would be going on and Steve GAN's squatted eleven hundred pounds play. Yeah. I eleven hundred pound squat in the history of powerlifting. Saying sim just massive lifts there. I remember watching Chuck we'll go pool if they're Matt crock Leschi and list of names goes on. And on of these giants Andy Bolton was lifting at the time. Gary Frank was dominant, and I go to walk in. And I'm like, okay, there's no model lifts, and there's no like there's a lot less seats. And then there's like these ropes hanging from the ceiling, and it looks like there's kind of like these hurdles set up and. It's a place that you like there's people like jumping rope. And I'm like what fuck is this and somebody's like this is cross fit. Oh, and I was like what happened to the power. They shop. Yeah. I was like, oh, my was like, oh my God. And I was just like, man. This is a really sad day end of an era. Not that. I I could I don't care cross zone way or the other necessarily. But I was just like man that's the end of of of the WB L. Lifting there. They'll never be back. The way. Yeah. I don't think. So I don't know. I I would. I mean, that'd be cool. It'd be cool to see more people. Get back into power thing gear and stuff. I think symbolize definitely growing. Girl, my personal opinion on it is I think that the bencher kind of ruined things because the bench shirt was that kind of curveball. It was that variable. Like if he didn't have that dial in if you couldn't figure it out that he couldn't really compete. Yeah. You could get on the platform with everybody else, but you might lift a hundred two hundred pounds less than everybody. Whereas the squat suit was definitely assisting you buy hundreds of pounds. Just like the bench shirt does. But you had to have a lot of strength in order to be able to handle those squats and the dead lift suit didn't really do much for you. Where's the bench shirt? There was guys that commonly benched, you know, under four hundred pounds, and they would be able to bench over seven hundred pounds. Yeah. You can see the race. I mean same of the deadliest who I mean, the Douglas suit gave you very very little bit. And you see in these guys that still do you know, we just talked about yesterday. But yeah, that's definitely in. It's weird. Because in rob how're lifting talk about how you know. A lot of these guys don't even really focus too much on looked at all no worrying about their bench because it doesn't really from your first attempt to your third attempt. You're not adding a ton on your total. Where any listening? I mean, it can make a break you somebody in their career could very easily. Go from a five hundred pound squat to probably around seven or eight hundred pound squat. Yeah. But on the bench dune how much ground or they really going to gain thirty pounds fifty pounds like Mako from three fifteen three sixty five like, they're not gonna probably go from three fifteen to five plates muscle belly Tehran through sixty five. And then I realized I'm probably not ever going to bench six hundred. So the bench is a is a tough one. But I think that that's a preventative thing into the geared powerlifting. And that would have to be the one thing that would I don't even really know, you know, a slingshot certainly makes it a lot easier because it makes it easier to go full range of motion. It's interesting that all the power to think years so stiff denim. Polly Inzar, you know, they make a stretchy material, but you still need like a lot of weight in order to get in the way to go full range of motion. And it just makes it really challenging a best single ply one time and could not talk to seventy five to my chest. Yeah. So here I hear a lot of people like especially like the younger crowd during the quote, unquote, raw revolution. You know, your lot of people talking shit like, oh, it's fucking you're lifting like put on a pair of briefs and try to squat hundred pounds under your max. Tommy what happened? Yeah. It's well, it's just a whole different type of balance and everything that you have to have it's highly different lift my opinion. I mean like the bench press like touching. Slower you're talking way harder. And you're driving back way. Harder. The appreciation for it though. Is is I think kind of fallen back or falter because powerlifting is kind of a fad right now. And the fat is only a year or so old. And so if you weren't a fan of powerlifting before this last twenty four months or something like that. You didn't see it a lot. You're not seeing it a lot in meats, especially USPA meets. I honestly, I can't even tell you the last time I've been to at twenty meets this year. I mean, and I don't think I've seen any. I don't think I've lifters one single ply full power to multiply full powers and like five or six just throws a huge monkey wrench into even the training process and other training process takes a lot longer. And like if one of you guys walked inside super training. Let's say that you guys trained here locally, and you guys were raw lifters and you walked in any sauce like all on these bench shirts, helping each other in these bench, shirts and stuff. You might be like man, that's cool. They kind. Do some of the same stuff that we do. But I don't know like, you know, I got work, and I've got other things to do. I can't really be at the gym helping these other guys out because if they're gonna help me, then I gotta help them. I don't know if I can devote these three or four hour long training says benching, you know, and I'm I'm no grandfather. Powerlifting. By by any means. I mean, I'm still pretty much I'm baby in the sport as well. Even though I've been doing quite a bit longer than, you know, even the athletes I program, but when I I was started competing. I mean, it was almost half in half. And when you're in the warm-up room, I remember being very irritated. Very irritated would like waiting like like, you know, and there it's a hell of a setup for one lift in one rep is, and they're very very they're very precise in how they have to set everything you can literally get killed if you're not. What's the diminishment of equip? Powerlifting is like how strong like like enroll policy now like women's presence. Oh, jeez. I remember when I first started through my first piloting me. First full power sanctioned. Powerlifting me. I remember. There was a total one hundred twenty lifter me. There was a total of fifteen women lifters. Yeah. And now, you go to meet and nine times ten there's gonna be more women than there are men. Right. It's it's also we we talk about that all time. My my very first meeting. There was one. There was one woman APS there's one woman in. You know, I had an athlete and nationals in Vegas USPA nationals in that whole day was women. It was just one day of women lifted national level competence. It's awesome. It's very distracting. Well, in some singlets are distracted like the the perception of what a power lifting woman looks like to. I mean, it's completely. It's completely different. And in powerlifting. We see all we see each other as strong. You know what I'm saying? That's like we appreciate just being strong. Right. And I tell that to a lot of people that will walk into our gym to that are looking for some sort of body composition changes. Like, we don't really focus on that. I mean, we just try to be strong here the strongest you possibly can be maybe the general public might might look at Eddie hall when he competed, and they might say all the guys overweight. None of us would because we look up to them. Like that dude is strongest shit. I would love to be at hall. Yeah. He's an asking her. Yeah. That's all. I don't. I don't see that. He's fat. You know, definitely not now. He's. Three hundred and forty pound bodybuilders. He said he's still pretty heavy, but he leaned out looks good shit. Little love handles are gone which. You know, I noticed early on. I recognize that the the cross fit thing was was was changing a lot of what was going on. We've had women in our Jim before that like they always train in like leggings. They always train with or sweats or something you're not going to ever see them in shorts will when they started coming to super training. They started training for powerlifting. And they started to get stronger. I think they got empowered because then they didn't care then also realized like we're all dislike hanging out like we're not trying to you know, maybe there's some single people. And maybe there's some something going on a little energy going on here and there, but for the most part it's like, no we're everyone's goal. Here is trying to get stronger. This isn't nightclub. It's not not a bunch of weird shit going on. And you know, lo and behold a lot of these girls would start wearing like the cross, you know, the does shorts across fit girls were wearing and that was really cool for me to seek. So I'm like that's like butts. Yeah, I yeah. I love to dozen. But I at the same time. I was like that is awesome. That that first person feels that good about themselves to rock that to me that was huge that was a huge step. So one of the I talked about this. Time like I'll get people to ask me all the time. Like why I continue my gym makes me no money. It makes me absolute most people's gyms. Don't mean. No, I is definitely a pack. Meanwhile, he's sitting back counting his money. In me, nothing it making it rain making it rained with bows. And arrows. And so like the ask me, why do you why do you do this? Why why do you continue to do this? I mean, it is a passion project. I love the sport in. I tell people that. I mean, it if no one else came now, no one else walk through my doors. I would still I would still be there training. But the one thing that I've observed over the years, especially with programming athletes as well or people have reached out to me for help. I feel like strength athletes just have something a little loose. We all I mean it like, I mean, anxiety issues social disorders going up in the system. Yeah. Not viewing themselves in the best light. And and I don't mean just a few. I am talking most every person that's walked through that door. Once you get to know them. You're you realize that this is this is where they feel comfortable Talibans power is loans. Green. He he made this post like powerlifting. It was not for the popular kids. Oh, yeah. No. It wasn't. It was probably Al cats goods, and like that's changing more and more. Now, it's becoming definitely more of an open open availability sport where you're kind of the same people from all walks of life. But I I still believe it, though, I still every new athlete I become more vested in in learn about them learn about their background. And and why they're here why they chose almost like before introduced somebody you need to warn them. First and say, hey, he's power. I'm just saying that like like warning someone bipolar something. Like, hey, man. Like, just so, you know, she's a powerlifter. Like, you wanna be careful? Yeah. You know, a lot of these people to they they didn't feel comfortable going to commercial Jim or they were strong, and they weren't supposed to be women. A lot of times. They're like, I, you know, they don't feel comfortable being as strong as they actually are. And it's something that we we celebrate. You know, right. We built we build each other up, and I feel like every every powerlifting gym or strength training facility. Like niece style facility. I've been to has the same feel it has the exact same power. You can't get the same pressure anywhere else. Like, don't I? I've tried to think about it before like you can get. You know, a rush from like jumping out of a plane, and there's a lot of things you can do for like adrenaline. But powerlifting doesn't really cause that it doesn't feel like you're on a roller coaster or anything like that. But the pressure. It's like, I don't really know where else you'd get that pressure. The only thing I could think of is like if you were like a like a diver like a scuba diver. And you went down real deep in your head got like because that pressure that you get when you try to hit a big squad and your forms jacked up and you lean forward, and you feel like the weights going to roll over the back of your head. You know that pressure that you get were heavy dead lift it's like where else in life. Can you find and overcome that pressure that doesn't really exist in many spots? I mean, there would be you'd be, you know, you'd be just you'd be hard to find ten things at the debtor five things that did that, you know. Yeah. Hard to find one. Yeah. I'm trying to make a comparison. I can think of like maybe like jujitsu like because like if someone's about the choke you out, or, you know, some of those different things, and I've heard people talk about how deep and how crazy thing that is to have someone defeat you that way. Like, it's just like just demoralizing, but there's some sort of a. System. There's some sort of energy system with the person where they want to do it again, they want to improve. And even though they know that that might happen again that might still be the end result. Because this guy's a black belt. And you're a blue belt, you still won't like how this urge to one figure it out for some reason, you're seeking out that pressure. I mean, it's it's psychotic you walk into a powerlifting gym, and you're seeing people do abnormally things these aren't the weights that we're lifting in all levels are the normal public Tanaka Gruden. They cannot comprehend is when you're up Palestine meats, and there's you know. Non powerlifters like they're watching in here. This question all the time. What studies sniffing what studies sniffing? What does he sniffing? He sniffing that before he goes. I'm just talking about the pure aspect of what we're doing. No. Yeah. Like just the ability in as humans to kind of break that threshold of what the rest of society just can't comprehend. I mean, they're seeing as bleed from our noses or you know, what I mean pass out or your parents your pass all these different things to hit a max effortless. Like, that's I mean, that's a second pick. That's psychotic even MAC suffered. Sometimes like I said a five. Yeah. And then it's not really necessarily for anything. Now, you're gonna be fucking strong. You your I tell people this all time, you're constantly in a battle to defeat your former self. That's that's what you're doing. You're you're you're defeating your guests like at least what you so you can make the excuse of its self defense. Yeah. You know, I feel comfortable in any situation because anybody came at me or my family, I feel I could. Protect them. But with lifting it's like offense. Yeah. It's kinda hard. Yeah. Maybe because you're stronger, maybe you can defend yourself a little bit better and stand up for yourself a little bit more. But. It's it's it's deeper than that. It's like it's more about like your confidence. And how you feel about yourself and not necessarily about being able to like have this superpower when you're out in normal world. I agree. I met more on the world. I meant when I said self offense. I meant more like just like destructive on the body. Yeah. Yeah. It really is. I mean, it's I mean, I loved him and people who say who will like they talk about being fit and healthy. And they want to get in the powerlifting. I'm like. All the time. It's not like I can't move. I can't get out of bed some days. Like right now. Fucking like, my rib is all fucked. I'll have some sort of like something's wrong really deadlocked yesterday. It's like the torn my doctor told my glue Toma hamstring of tournament muscle bellies like putting my daughter to sleep, and I have to get up off the floor. And it takes me five and a half minutes to get up off the floor. But then I'm still wrapping and squatting. No. I mean, it's just it's unbelievable. You know, you get addicted to the pain you get addicted to I guess there has to be some sort of sadism as the powder. Right. I said, it's a it's a screw loose in all of us. I mean, it's in. Honestly, it's it's it feels like when you have a facility like this or you know, like ours. It's a sanctuary for those people to go. It really is. I always liked the challenge of it. You know, the challenge is to see how hard you can push yourself, and it never really mattered to me the level of strength that I'm at I've never been ultra competitive with the people that are lifting with me. You know, I I I still might talk trash to like the people I'm lifting with and they might talk to me. But I don't really I don't really obsess over that. Like, I'm just trying to be better than my was yesterday. And I also have the understanding of I've been doing this for a really long time. So every workout won't always be better. Like, it just that doesn't make any sense. You can't always like I can't lift to twenty-five one day and then to thirty five and two it doesn't doesn't just you can't just ramp up strength isn't linear interest ramp up forever. You know and progression slow significantly the longer you do this. Yeah. It does a lot of a lot of people like see a lot of newer lifter. Like, I actually seen posts like this like, you know, PR squat four hundred thirty pounds hashtag road to seven hundred. What like you're going multiply like next month or something? Yeah. It's it's it's a tough sport. And you know, people when they first come here like we have a training system where we work out four days a week. And a lot of times people will say, hey, can I train more? Can I come in on like other days? I'm like once you get into it. You won't be asking that question anymore. You know, it it gets to be tough to train until about two years ago trained six days a week. So about a year ago this week and now I'm like at three five four tops. Whoa. Get a little warm in here Boehner patrol Boehner patrol now. So you are you're one of seventeen kids how the hell does that work out people have sex? Don't don't you get mixed up in the in the bunch there. Yeah. It's a pretty it's a crazy story. So I have I five older brothers and two older sisters and then seven younger sisters and two younger brothers. And so I'm gonna do this because everybody asked me to do this at some point. I was list all the names, really fast. So it's and I'll give you their real names because we have a lot of boys with girls names. Jack name's Jackie. And then Philip's savannah, Wendy, Michael MacKenzie is a boy Shelby. Who's a boy? And then me Glenda grace, Stella Emma, KENDALL. Who's a boy Kennedy who's his twin sister, Isabella Amelia Gus and so. And then actually there was technically eighteen there was a stillborn child in between me and my brother right above me. So me and my brother above me. We have the biggest gap which is two years nine months. My mom had her first shimmer older brother, Jack the day before her seventeenth birthday. And so and shut her last kid when she was should Gus when she was. Forty-one SimpliSafe he can remember all that. I know other Bertha's do I remember watching hard knocks? You know, the show hard knocks is a few years ago when they I think it was the jets and they asked into mardi all the same name. He was he was struggling man to name all of his children. As I know all their middle names, and all my civil like six kids, but it was like three different women or something. So like, you know, my mom's forty nine now. And so, you know, she'll be fifty in March, and she has seventeen kids and going on eighteen grandkids and should her first grandkid when she was lying. Thirty four and still open to more. She's you know, she's not done yet. You shut you hormone. Want anymore died on the last one? But yeah. So I'm like, I'm pretty close to the middle with kids at nine. We'll be the technical middle. How old is the oldest kid? A Jack is thirty one thirty two. My brother. My brother Mike was like only I think I wanna say like a year or two younger than our local which was my dad's brother he was the last in the chain of like they had nine kids and they had two stillborn children somewhere in the mix too. They're cranking out babies like every other year for like twenty plus years. She's it's my grab he's one of like eleven and my mom is only one of three. My my my dad. My dad grew up like he grew up like femme, boy, let me very simple living, and my mom, actually, she grew up, and they actually had the money growing up is a very weird. It was very weird to find out that my grandparents were at one point very, very wealthy. And because my you know, my dad only has a tenth grade education. Now, my mom has the technical good. My dad that not education in mom has a high school GED. And so it was always working nonstop to, you know, food in the food and our mouths pay rent. I can't tell you. How often we were behind on rent? I mean that was like a normal thing. I can't tell you how many landlords. I'm lied about. How many kids she had? Sneaking dogs in. Was a living situation like. Top of each other. I mean, the biggest house we ever lived in was a. Probably a four bedroom house, and that was on the one time for one year typically we had two or three bedroom houses there actually one point when we first moved to Ohio. My dad got the the first and only place that he could rent in this area of Iowa where he got the job. And there was my mom my dad and twelve of the kids upstairs one bedroom apartment, and so we literally have mattresses across the floor in the back, and my parents had to pull out in the living room. And there was a little long cubby holes in the wall slept in like, we didn't care most of the time. It was all we'll just the way you grew up. We didn't rely on all the fucking weird. It was started to tell people some stuff like. Yeah. Man, like we lived in a motel once three weeks like shit like that. But I would imagine too though with that many children. There's some that are older that are like moving onto young out of the house, and like so not all are piled up in the same house all the time. Most a lot of my older siblings are high school dropouts. So I'm one I was the third one graduate high school. And so, you know, they were always out and working because they want to be in the fucking house anymore. There's fucking baby's screaming for literally fuck and ten years in a row. So nobody wants to be there. Right. So you know, there's like we all kind of raised each other. You know, which which you see a lot in big families. You know, every sibling raises every sibling. And so like have so many of like, my older brothers tendencies. His those are the ones who I looked up to. I didn't wanna see my sister's ever-growing as my older brothers. Who are like we were always running the streets being little hood looms like doing crazy shit. I mean, ding Dong ditching was like the most fun thing. We did growing up. I mean, I still have fun doing that. Now. Yes. What about eating what was eating like food stamps food stamps? I mean like the there was there. But there were also points in times where like for some reason, my parents proud to get food stamps for some reason. And so it was a lot of like. I let's call them wholesale meals because it's like eight boxes of macaroni with two packages. Hotdogs, right, or you know, just chili like a big fucking pot of chili. We didn't like news. Like, no other way to do it. And then like we always made enough to have leftovers for a couple of days. And so I mean there were points in times where we were so broke relived on baloney sandwiches for weeks of the nine inch. For the most part of that a pretty good job. Keeping those who's the house like stressful with that many kids and trying to work and very stressful. Very busy in a constant lack of supervision and guidance. And so, you know, the guidance you have in the family like mine growing up is from older brother who's been to jail four times, and has you know, neck tattoos. And you know, we're not the greatest people then. Right. And so is that a maybe a byproduct of the area you grew up in a little while. Yeah. So we lived in a really ghetto area of southbound at the time 'cause you're kind of a byproduct of like what you see what you're around, and you know, other people are dealing like, that's your normal thing. Like, it's not even bad. It's just. We are. We're always fighting always fighting other kids each other for that matter. I mean, there was time where like these kids tried to like I was like in kindergarten in like these kids couple of grades tried to jump me of our block. I just screamed on my brothers names. And it was a five seconds before they were all on the block is beating the show these kids laughing because that's fucking fighting. Weird. You know, that's pretty wild. Having that many? That many siblings and was your mom trying to work to your dad was working as your mom, my mom, like she had to be at home or. No. I mean, that's the thing is, but my mom pretty much worked. All my life. I mean, she's been much and sort of my dad, obviously, and she may be would take a couple of weeks off after she had a kid, but she didn't take any time off before she had a kid. I mean, she was she was I mean, I think one time she started going to labor at work like a probably having twice and so. Ask your parents. Like, why did you have so many fucking kids? I guess my mom tells a story that when she was younger she played with the ouija board told her she was going to have eighteen kids fucking knew that my mom's a head case in that way. And so it's like, okay. But really, I was thinking, I don't know classic fertile Merle. Myrdal was her nickname for by twenty. Thirty years old she attempt hits. But thirty years old, my mom had ten kids like she was twenty eight when she had me. And so me, and my my sister blow me my sister blow that was just to blow that we're all one year apart immediately. And so I mean they worked. Lots of let us other lack of supervision, right? Yeah. How about your upbringing? I mean, I I was one of three, but I was the oldest. So. My my situation was quite a bit different. But I mean for the most part, I was pretty much on my own for the majority of my life. You know nowadays. It's it's not uncommon to hear broken families and stuff. But essentially, you know was adopted when I was about four years old, and is kind of a classic case. If I don't think there was really anybody wanted to have an older son, I two younger sisters, and it was just kind of left behind in. You know, it was literally on my own pretty much from high school on and. It's weird. Because the the the guy that raised me, I think was was so strong nosed. And did the way that he did it was definitely unconventional and put it in my head that the reason I have kids now is probably because that's that's what I was made to do is be a dad, and kind of do all the things that I never got to do, you know, and. So honestly is just it. It helped me become to where I'm at now. And and be able to figure out how to survive on my own the person that adopted you as maybe a little bit more than just a father figure, maybe almost more like a mentor to in a way, not really. I mean, I I don't know how it's unconventional means unconventional. Yeah. So it just it was one of those things where I I knew I had to pave my own path pretty pretty quickly saying, yeah, in honestly, that's what attracted me to Garrett in the first place. But I did I mean by the time, I just graduated high school. You know, I tried to go to school on my own in just couldn't afford it. And I had my first mortgage by the time. I was nineteen years old. I mean, I was this is why the housing markets fucked, by the way, thanks. Yeah. I mean, it was literally like finding a way to survive on my own with with no help. And and I mean, I did and even to this day. Like, I always knew I worked really hard to work up and get a job that required a master's degree. And I I don't have a college education or anything like that. And eventually figured out that there's no way that I could work for anybody anymore in. So, you know, started to do my own thing and got to the point where I was able to. Open up east race muscle, which is the I mean, honestly, if it could be my everyday child. Yeah. If it could be my everyday that would be my every day that would be my my way of kind of making making my living and stuff, but yeah, it's tough. Because it's one of those things where I don't. I don't want it to be sound. Like it was like if I didn't have the upbringing. I did there's I wouldn't be in this situation. I'm in now. No, so people who like grew up like like anything any similar facet. The we did there's typically like one of two passes the path the common constant improvement of the path of constant destruction. Yeah. In terms of like self and so like like some of my siblings like. So including myself, one two three four five at least, I'm actually all five motor brothers and myself real have like substance issues, and so at young ages, and for a long time all of us are on very self destructive path. It was it's weird how moving farther along in life. How like you just it's kind of clicks one day like like shitty fucking person. Like, I need to stop being a person we talked about this last night too. I feel like I feel like a. Going down these different pass in realizing all these different things and being self aware is sometimes worse than being naive in pretending. You don't know that you have an issue, Dan. You don't have a problem. I think that's I think it's sometimes worse being self aware, and knowing that you're a piece of shit or that your doing something you shouldn't be doing. You're going down the wrong path. Probably the only way to turn anything around. No, right. No. I remember having the thinking habit. Like I was on heroin by fourteen fourteen years old. And I remember having a thinking habit. Like, oh, yeah. I mean, I'll probably get out of this at some point like now had to like almost dia couple times. But I mean, I was right. But like in a roundabout way. Yeah. I think it's important for people. It's important for people to work on developing themselves in the only way to really do that is to take like inventory. There's no other way to do it. Like you have to spend time with yourself. You have to you have to ask yourself questions. You have to ask like what what what do you wanna do? When your kid when you're fourteen sixteen in those ages in school, they ask you that question. It's like super annoying like how am I supposed to know? I wanted to surge on. Yeah. Someone's soups, and at the time like you don't you don't care about school. When you're not doing your homework, and you just you don't wanna be you're like, I don't like everybody wants you to go to college. I have this thing built into their head of what you should be doing. And so because of that because you never actually really sat around and thought about it for yourself. You don't have any idea what you wanna do. But a lot of people go around through their whole life. They just keep working, and they just keep lifting and they keep doing a couple of things that they're doing every day, and they don't ever really sit down and like try to reflect on like what what is it? I would I like to do like three years from right now. What would I like to be doing like if you're pissed off at your current situation? Just ask yourself that question. Like, maybe maybe you just maybe it's literally the fact that you don't wanna do which currently doing anymore, and that's a good. Place to start like this life that I'm living right now of doing drugs and lying on my friends in Lyon, and my wife or girlfriend or whatever the situation is if that's the situation you're in. Then ask yourself that question, you know, and then start to put a plan in place. How do I do I need to get help to Anita? Tell my buddy, I need to tell a friend. I need to need to go to psychiatrists like what do I need to get out of this weird slump? And then how am I going to progress? But it's not it's not a. At that point. It's not like a dream. It's not like, you know, I I want to be a millionaire live in Hawaii. You know? It's it's gotta be something more realistic. Like, I just wanna stop doing this that realization is important for people a lot of times too. It's it's all self destruction. I mean, it's it's not being aware that you have to have to love yourself. I think I mean, at least in my experience, I mean, when I was going through from the age of you know, like I said being out on my own eighteen years old to thirty was probably the easiest part of my life. I didn't think at thirty years old is going to be the toughest part of my life. And you know, trying to figure out why. Now, everything is changing why why am I thinking this way or why is and getting tougher and tougher and tougher and thinking that you know, I've been doing this fine this whole time. But now it's now it's not fine anymore. Why why is that? And you know, it's taken a few years even. To kinda take a step back and realize flavors in a punk nineteen year old tell him. Yeah. That's like I tell you like people always ask me all the time. They're like, I don't I don't understand like, I don't understand your GARRETT'S relationship while you guys are so close when Garrett when Garrett, you know, he told you about his, you know, his his family and the way he was brought up I just met him. And I told you I kind of took him under my wing, and he was an asshole. When I I met him. He was an asshole and not them around quite a bit. And then I remember the day told me had moved back to a high. Oh, like his family's moving back to Ohio. And he did he moved back to a high. Oh, and I honestly I was just like I I gotta get him back here. Like that was fuck to move back to cause. And I was like I can't I it was I felt like I knew I knew where this was headed at that time. And so I called him. I was like if I give you a job will you come back as like are you serious, and you were working at GNC or something just just started to GNC? I was only there for like two weeks already got promoted to like like territorial management essentially with Muslim eighteen and he and I was like I want you to move. I want you to move back to be closer to me. And he was like if you're serious, and I did I hired him. He came back, and to be honest with you the script flips at that point. We kind of started looking after each other in my life. It hit an all time low. I mean when I say all time low is is about as rock bottom as a possibly for me. And I was sitting on my front porch thinking that there really wasn't much else. I could do to fuck up the rest of my life. And he I mean, it was it was a matter of an hour conversation of him essentially, telling me who's going to eliminate himself from my life. And he's like if you don't if you don't stop and. The at the time like Mike was being self destructive in every aspect of his life. His home life has work life training, everything. Yes. He was very self destructive habits and doing just it just everything is making all the bad wrong decisions, and I had to shoulder surgeries and from lifting. And so like, I had a very inept doctor that was willing to give me pain pills. Anytime I wanted whether I needed him or not and got to the point where that was what I was using to cover up everything else that was going on. It was a mask. And then that made my decision making abilities, go down even more further south, and it literally does home life and affected his family. Yeah. And it literally I remember in. I've only told this story to a few people. So this is pretty this is pretty emotional for me. But I remember I looked this up to I remember one night taking more pain pills than what killed heath ledger. Tremble? No it wasn't. Yeah. It was a mix. Sure all in oxycodones. Yeah. And I remember kind of fading in and out of sleep and thinking to myself like I was in the back of my head. I was like to be honest with you. I'm like, I really, okay. If I don't wake up from this like not so much. I've never had suicidal thoughts or like wanted to kill myself. But at that point, I was like if I don't wake up from this. No big deal. No big deal. And I remember like getting up and running to the bathroom, and puke and everything up and stuff like that. It was literally the next day that Garrett stopped by my house at this point. Like I'd given Garrett a car like I gave him a car. He sold me a car super super cheap, especially how it works us pay for you stop paying for it a long time ago. And he was like I'll, you know. I'm quitting. I'm going to quit the job. You gave me I'm giving you a car back. I don't you know, I'm gonna be out of your life and stuff this. And that if if this doesn't stop now, and it doesn't like I'm not trying to make my own back or anything literally that second it everything stopped at the time. Mike was he's lying to everybody, including me, every time has ever tried to lie to me. I'm sorry. I'm on the fucker like. I know all your tells. I know you're lying to me. And so he was nineteen at the time, by the way, nineteen years old. And it was so it was like every time he the situation that's happening in time. Every time we try to me I was like come on. And like you drop his head. And so by the end of a that's when I was talking to somebody to that was a former addict knows all of, you know, all the tells, and so it was like, I just laid it out on the table. I've always been I've always felt it's better to be truthful and forward and hated than to lie. And and so I was like listen, this is what you fucking doing. And you know, this is how it's affecting me out suspecting the gyms how it's affecting more because that's fighting your wife is how it's fucking your kids. And I was like in. Everybody hates you right now. And everybody fucking hates you. I was like you're not being honest with me being honest with you. It was a it was a it was like a is. Everybody hates you because they love you like. The people in at the time. I I mean, I still own the gym like I had brought all these people together. And I it's it stopped in, and I and like those people I I told him I told told him he actually I just had this conversation with a a friend of ours drawn that one day like like, Mike essentially went to every person in his life who was close in any capacity and just told them like this is what he was doing. And this is the person I was and this is who I'm trying to be and like to too big that step to make that step as a as a grown man, not easy to do. You get stuck in your ways, you get stuck in your mentality. And so it was it was fucking cool. Well, I think I would imagine that almost everybody is probably pretty receptive to. I mean, I'm sure maybe a couple of people like still had some animosity still frustrated with the way that you were acting, but for the most part price gave you a hug, right? Well, that's the thing. Like, the people the people that didn't understand. It are no longer around. They really they really aren't like I mean, truly are not gone. Yeah. Gone gone. And the people that that did that day care about me. They're even closer than they were before, you know, it is it's one of those things, but it's weird to say these things and people say, it sounds kind of cliche, but it needed to happen. I mean, you you you learn from some of the worst things that could possibly happen to you. You know, and it's still one of those things it's been over. It's been over two years almost two years. Exactly. And it's one of those things where it's still I opening and it's still evolving relationships with me, and the p the cl- the people closest to me in my life. But I think most of us are in constant search of resistance. Yeah. And the resistance that you found was in painkillers. Yeah. Some of us have resistance is in Jim. And you had that as well. But like for some reason like we're we're looking for the opportunity to fuck up her own life. Well, we're we're wait. That's a human condition, man. Every. Time you get into a good situation. Can I fuck with myself? A little mine is just mine was just not not believing or really loving myself at all. So like finding all these different ways that made me feel good about myself that we're not real they just weren't real in massell was that like working making money that kind of just everything there's numerous amounts of stuff. It's it's a hard thing to specify in really realizing what type of person I am. And hoping that the people that are closest to me are going to accept that. And learning to honestly is learning to love myself as really what it is. Because it is. But like think about I do I do a lot for a lot of people. I mean, he does. And that's that's actually a very truthful thing in sometimes it gets lost in like wondering. Sometimes I'm like, well, I mean, there's really anybody really care about me doing anything for me. No, I don't even I don't even. I don't want anything in return. But sometimes it just seems like it's a. It's just a lost thing. Like, I'm just like you think about the time that you were trying to like get something like like, you kind of had these things where like unfulfilling like you're you're trying to like. Any said, you you know, you didn't feel good about yourself. But like, you know, I I always think that. What I see from a lot of people as they're they're so worried about like receiving like they're so worried about like getting shit. And so they think if I if I work towards this don't get that. But they're not really like like giving themselves which is what you should really focus on. I don't think. So at all, actually, I think is I think it's because I still in that way. I still I will I will give absolutely anything I possibly can to every everyone even people. I it's not even that close to me. And I'm used to being taken advantage of. I mean at this point, especially in my position. He's a kid though, the pizza rolls at his house. I I will like it will always it'll always be that way. And I believe that use race muscle. That's my beacon of being able to do that. I mean, I I have a lot of athletes that come in either can't afford the gym or they don't have a place to go. Fucking people deals all the time. And he wonders is Jim doesn't make money or they or they've wrong me in the past in. I have it does not mean anything to me. It really doesn't is finding out. What is truly like maybe the first thirty years of my life. I wasn't being real with myself. And what I really was. Was or what I needed to to be happy, and you know, in the past four years and figuring those things out, and it's it's not it's not it's not easy. You know, it's hard. I feel like I have a solid grasp of like the things that make me feel free and things that keep me from. You know, going back down that path. So, and I'll be honest with you is I mean, not saying this 'cause we're sitting here behind the table. But it's definitely powerlifting. It's definitely the gym. I mean, I found so many athletes that can relate to me across the country that asked me just to I don't even know anything about their lifting abilities or how they lift. And they asked me just to handle them at meets. You know, like it's just just to be there with them. I was always like. In a similar way to you. Let the motivator like he was always been the motivators always been the guy. Sinner right there like in you fucking ear to meet saying like the corner ship that everybody talks about but like actually like putting it into your life. Like, it's a very cool thing. Well, it means something more when it's coming from someone who substantial exactly and I've ever legacy to leave. I have two kids that mean the world to me too. And you know, I'll look at them everyday shut up to Kim. And. Yeah. Shots came into me. And I I look at them still everyday seriously every day, and I'm like, you know, what would have happened if I would've continued out or if I'm not here, you know, like what would have happened in like what kind of legacy? Do I want to leave for them? And I love seeing them at meats. I love seeing them at the gym there at the gym lot there at our gym all the time, and they ever all our athletes of them. They're not scared of weights. Now, they're not gonna wait in. So it's one of those things where you know. It's like. Peter Pan theory. I guess like you're happy thoughts. And and how those drive you and make your life kind of continue to go on. And I don't think I if I would have not found powerlifting. I'm not a good powerlifter by any means. I I'm not gonna I'm not good at all. And if I had not found this sport, though, I think things would be a lot worse. I agree. Yeah. I don't think you have to be good at it to get out of it. What you know, what you're looking for because it's against the resistance, the external resistance, and it plays out in so many different aspects, you know, in our in our lives. We think the biggest difference was from like, a, you know, obviously him coming to you and saying, hey, this is a problem in EKO around and telling people, but like how did you? How'd you really change because it's one thing to be like fired up, and you got this. Rocky montage go of you like training and shaping up and everything. Right. But it's another thing to like do it day in and day out minute by minute for him. It's been like self talk. Yeah. Yeah. It's. I've always all at to read syndrome. Yeah. Yeah. So interesting, but I said it earlier in the conversation being just being self aware is a son of a bitch in. I I know I think Garrett said at one at one point two, and he said, he was you know, he's doing heroin or whatever I knew that. I could I could turn it off if I wanted to I really I really did. And. Yeah. And there was there was nothing that I felt like I was doing too to prevent that. And now like I said, it's it sounds stupid. And I tried to go see somebody, and I always feel like I'm smarter than the person that's sitting on the couch across from me. And I just think to myself like the happy thoughts. These are things that drive me. Why in the world would I it's not just my kids? It's it's this guy here. It's the it's you know, the the Brandon's in the Evans in the in the chiefs in the e even these these guys Adrian. Busted TD like these guys that you wanted nothing to do with me. And now like want me in their lives to help them regularly. Not just in terms of power lifting and I need I need to continue to soak those things in because it makes me feel like there's something worthwhile to be around for. So is it hard to like just be idle like is it hard for you to know? You're okay with because like, it sounds like you, you you, you know, you sounds like you wanna give a lot of yourself. Is it hard for you just to kind of like balance a big problem for me during that time too. And it's something that I in. I've I've upset people too because I don't give him that time anymore that I was taking away from my family and even the trip, you know, we were supposed to like is supposed to go to record breakers. You know, and and I was like I'm not missing my son's last football game. I'm not like I fly out early tomorrow morning. By the way, son is four. Yeah. He's five. But yeah, I it will never remember that. But I'm I'm telling you, I've it missed one of his football games. I've never missed a baseball game. I never will same with my daughter, whatever she decides do she's a pain in the ass in kind of Marge's to beat her own drums. So I don't know what she'll ever do. But I that was I changed this whole weekend. So that I could be back for his flag football game. How's it going to miss? It is it's it is what it is. You know, and even even leaving here as I FaceTime last night in the gym. So I could show him the gym and stuff like that. Because he knows who you are too. And he was like he thought it was the coolest thing ever. But the first thing he said was he goes did you did you talk to the pilot and tell them to go faster. So that you could get home quicker and has a, and I was like, I mean that that tells me, you know, this this is my priority at the end of the day, and the people going back to when everything was happening, the people that know me and care about me, the most they understand that you know, 'cause I get. So many people that'll be like, hey, can you do this for you can do this for me? I need you here in each year. Now, it's not going to happen. I got you know, I I gotta have that time. I gotta have that time with the people that are my happy thoughts. Well, and when you. You know, when it's when those requests are met with resistance for a period of time, people will stop they'll stop asking, you know, Eissa get crazy model, emails and stuff. And it's just it doesn't happen. You know, people just know like I'm not going if I am doing a seminar or something it's just because I'm like on my way to somewhere else. Yeah. You know? I'm not going to get the go to some speaking engagement, or whatever, you know. So and I'll still those sacrifices are still being made. There's days that I don't get any of my training in. And when I'm when I'm at the gym and people will say stuff about they'll be why don't you just tell everybody to go eat shit. Yeah. And it's like, you know, what I have to wrap five for I follow about two. So the gym I trained that now is basically a commercial Jim with a small area in the back. And so like now that like I I have my own little crew at this. Tim kind of building the same thing that we built muscle. I told you that that one day to I texted you that one day. So it's like I go in there sometimes to bench. I'm there for four hours within people off watching her dad lifts robbing their knees spotting one squats, they're constantly asking stuff. And it's successful thing. It's still it's still makes you realise to where you like where you are. And everybody else's is because I'll I'll I'll say like when my trainings not that important because like I said, I'm not a good powerlifter. And they're like well. Yeah, you're training is important in to be honest with you doesn't said this to me the other day. He's like, it drives me to watch you train. You're talking about a top fifteen one forty eight Pounder in the ten hour. Yeah. In the world, and he's like it. It pushes me to see you training with all of us. I'm like why you I mean, how your training's a lot more important than you think it is. It's it's actually like probably behind you handling a couple major things in your life. It's probably like it'd probably top five like, it's definitely up there at a definitely comes before wrapping somebody else's knees. And a huge reason. Why is because I it's a it's a representation of you as. A person and it's important for those people to always see that. No matter what is going on a matter. How much shit is flying around? And how many people you have to help that you're still they're getting the job done. Yeah. No. I think it is important for the lifters, and the people that have come here to see me still lifting like, maybe I lifted off hours, and you know, might not always lift with the team with the crew. But they they still know like on their best day on their hardest day when they've pushed the absolute max of what they could do that. I'm still right there with them. No matter. How old I am. Or how long I've been doing this for. Yeah. I might not have to be lifting the same weights. I used to live, but the efforts still there. Oh, yeah. Still pushing his heart as I fucking can you know? Yeah. That fire doesn't go away. It doesn't and whenever I hit a big lift in here. A lot of times the other guys he huge PR's to get fired up like shit, man. That was fun watching you do that. Or I gotten briefs a few weeks ago and everybody got all fired up or a hit pretty good bench. And then Marcus ended up doing a five hundred pound bench for double that. Same day. And you know, he got all all nutty and all fired up. And so yeah. Filipino thunder. Yeah. It's still like I in the best part for me too. And I mean, this when I say this at one point I was the strongest guy in our Jim the strongest person, you know, that we're trained with now I'm like the fifteenth. You know, whatever that is important to me. I remember I remember being the weakest guy. Yeah. When we started. And now, I'm the total at anybody. Well, that's I say to my point this last this last meet that Garrett did to be honest with you one of the one of the better moments for me is watching him and having a guy come up to him. And be like, hey, man. I'm so and so and like shook his hand. And he's like, I'm such a big fan is a guy lifting in the me. And the same meat is Gary in shook his hand told him as great to meet him. You know, he's like he's like one of his heroes this and that, and I was I heard the whole thing gear turned around and he had his like weird shit eating awkward like embarrassed grin on his face. As like man, you have no idea what that means to me. Like, he goes just. She's so weird. This is weird because I did the same two years in a row. And so like the first year did that me there's like ten people that came up to me who knew me like Instagram and like one kid, actually, even this is the fuck with probably most pissed off. But it'd been in my life. I just missed my second squat on depth and some sitting there, and I wrapped my own news at the time getting ready to wrap my niece. My third spotting headphones, and I'm ready to go. Mike four out. It's kit fucking walks with me pulls up my headphone goes, hey, Minnesota Instagram stories on my hey, motherfucker again away from me like I'm I I'm just about to squad. Like, I'll talk to you later. But and then comparing like that that meet two years ago to the meat. I just did. It's like like I could walk and like people like whispering as I walked by lick. It was really weird and people like who are scared to come up to me and people who were at the meat messaging me on Instagram, but would not come up to me and talk to me like this is so weird is while you're right there. Yeah. I'm standing right here. Like, it's the funniest thing here like. AM and I follow you on Instagram. People listing off like lifts that I did like months ago that I don't even remember like the just loved it for some reason. And it's really, it's it's it's fucking awesome. But it's weird. You guys get a chance to train together. Still. Yeah. Yes. Still do you still? We'll get chances to train to together. He's like I said he works for me. So we have a location down in Indianapolis. We is quite a few months ago. We shipped him down there. It's been a year and five months. Yeah. And we asked you know, I asked him, you know, if if you would go down there kinda run our Indy location and stuff like that. And he's like, yeah. We'll do that, you know, ended months it'd been ended up being a great situation because he met Kaley. And it's interesting to see like, I watch him Volve like there's been just a few people that have stuck with me this whole time since the very very beginning. But I texted him just like we were talking about. I texted him a couple of weeks ago as like, I'll be honest with you, man. It's like, it's it's it's emotional for me to watch like these people like you when you started going to the gym that you go. To it was just U2.. And now, you have a group of people that lift the same time, you do to be there when you are that you're handling of the majority of time, you know, that that you're programming or that, you know, want to be there to lift the same time you do. And is very reflective of how I got started. What's that though is when kids hit me up on Instagram, and they're like, hey, man. Are you going to be training on Thursday? And it's like, probably okay, cool. I'm gonna drive down four hours to come up with you. I'm like, what are you coming to town for something? Like, man, I just I I've heard that like you'll like kind of help anybody. And so I'll just I'm going to come and live with you. Okay. Like one time a whole group of kids came from Chicago like a four hour drive like five or six kids all came Chicago. There were like nineteen to twenty three someone more older than me. And so it it was it's been. Humbling to see how something that has kept you on point from the time that you, you know, overcame some of these mess ups that you had in your life with drugs and some run ins you had. So like, the only constant nonstop consta- motivator. I've had my entire life was thinking about my future kids, and knowing that I had to create something that would be like in terms of self like create something that would. Be able to support my kids and not just support them like beat every football game. You know, be it every basketball game meet every dance recital. And that was always you're not stuck at work all the time. Exactly. And so that was always like, that's that's really like the biggest driving force has been in my life. Because like if I'm being honest, like my family has never been a motivator for me. You know, nobody in my family has really done anything soup. Like, I have one brother who. Wasn't like the Korngold valley in Afghanistan who's his an army? He's a teacher now like the keys probably the only one who's done anything like cool like that. Like like, I have one brother who raced semi pro like bucks pretty much and so like motorcycles. And like, no one's ever done anything. So nobody in my family really is is is a motivator for me in life. You see a lot of like on the deeper issues a lot of comparisons. And where you know like where we are. And that's that's it's always been like my my connection to Garrett and why I constantly keep him around. And make sure that we're keeping each other. You know, that was one that was like one thing that kind of like cut me on like got me out of that and kept me on track. And all that. And so now, it's like I have two dogs who they're both malamute's gusts is three hundred twenty pounds other ones. Plo? He is six months old, and he's like over sixty pounds and. Now, I'm like always say about my dogs, and my fiance and him I pretty much it. It's kinda like do really do anything for is just the p the people my dogs, the two people in my dogs in the sport to sport is still very much baby. I if it is. I mean, there's there's no money in it. You know, there's no money's coming the whole time. So when you when you look at some of these personalities a lot a lot of times when you meet them, they're not who they're not what their Instagram is or they're not with their social media's and there are a few. There are very few people that like you look at and you're like this person is good for the sport. Because they have all of these things there. I mean, there's some guys out there that have some monster totals have nine hundred followers on an Instagram. I mean, I'm talking like, you know, like the strength does not correlate of Instagram followers. Yeah. 'cause 'cause they have the personality of potato, you know, what I mean fucking wet blanket and garett is one of those guys that has never changed his his brash attitude motivation. Yelling and being excited and just being friends with everybody. That's never changed in. So I think that's what attracts people to him. That's why people want him at their meets. That's you know, and that plus being on the other end of the bell curve, and totaling almost nineteen hundred pounds at twenty one years old, you know, barely two hundred pounds. That's a that's a total package. They're very few of those people. I I always talk about this because people have different opinions about him. But Larry wheels. Is that guy? Larry wheels decent looking dude. He's kind of fun to be around. And he's doing things that nobody else is doing his always pretty honest. And that's I mean, those those are the people that are going to really springboard this this sport. And I really believe that Garrett is one of those people. I really do. I mean, there are always going to be people that have higher totals, you know, I belong, but they like I said, they can't talk to people. They can't they if somebody asked him something there, you know, like they have no lissome like in there. It's funny like. I started going to bigger meats like I did the US open last year. And so, you know, and then I went to the tribute me and going is bigger meets meet some people who it's like, they're Instagram famous or whatever. And it's like you are a wet paper bag over a pilot dog shit. Like, you're not fun person. I've talked to like kind of a dick. And so like. I always social media baffles me. I mean, it baffles me how many people are purely depend like they're dependent on their their their idols like social media presence. And who they are on social media. It's like when you meet people in person or even beyond that like find out who they really are. Like you're going to be disappointed. Just because somebody's strong doesn't mean the not a ship person. Right. Well, that's where people have to decipher what they like somebody for. Yeah. If you like somebody 'cause they lift heavyweights, and there's a high. There's a possibility that when you meet them. Maybe you don't like them. Yeah. But that's fine. Doesn't mean you can't still like that. They lift heavy, you know, be might like that Bradley Martin can like jump over a car or something. But but maybe you're not like best friends with them or whatever. Right. I mean, there's these different people that you meet that. You know, you you like them for totally separate reason. You don't like them because they're because Instagram never gives you a real snapshot of who anybody really is never it. You know, people are kind of showing you their highlights. And and us, you know, in the fitness community would have shown you lifts. So you have really no insight into now. Make more sense to be disappointed with a youtuber. Yeah. Because youtuber we're seeing him interacting. Yeah. You see them interact a lot. Yeah. When especially if it's somebody that enters interacting live, and they share a lot of their life with you, and you meet them, and you find out it's all fake or something like what the hell like wasn't expecting that. But but for the most part with Instagram, it's like, you know, people might be, you know, kind of I dunno misleading, you know, but at the same time, I think, you know, who is an adjusted their photo who isn't like trying to get the best selfie. They can who's in China. You know, people are just trying to get the best representations out there as much as they can my social media for me like a in my brain like I posted -cational like picture of me, and my fiance, I'm on a selfie person. Or like a or a here's my body person. It's kind of always just been like a triennial just as what I did today. Like, this was my top. So this is this. I will say this even the fact that you think anybody cares is arrogant like social media has there's there's no possible way to be. On social media without being like without without having like an arrogant side, like you're literally trying to get people to push a like button yet that right? That's right here again, right? Yeah. It really is. There's no there's no way of like sugar coating. Yep. You know? So it's it's still no matter how you slice it. Like, hey, let's check out. What I did. You know what I mean? Even if it's not the best representation of the heaviest lift that you did. It's just a is always going to be that way. And that's why I get so frustrated when people talk about somebody being humble, or whatever and like almost shitty term for a social media star. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't. It's not. It's a it doesn't right? It doesn't it doesn't fit fit in with. What's what's kind of truly going on? Because when you how social media, and like, I never expected my following the blow up and so when it started to it's like. You kind of interact with other people who have bigger followings, and it's like. For most of these guys. Like humble is the is the is the furthest of Scud the personality like are some people who manage to make everything about them, all the social media offer social media. But on the flip side of that some of the people are talking about earlier, they had these monster totals, and nobody follow them that are posting their big lists all the time. And then you meet them, I truly am confused as to why they even have any sort of social media. It's like you meet them in. You're like, I think we're thinking of the same person. I think we are. But you're you meet them in. You're like, yeah. You're exactly what I expected. And you've like, I you're still one of my favorite powerlifters. But is the one thing that makes me pretty like like one reason they're like social media because that's typically the response people as your exactly how you're on social media. See how if I was an outsider. I would think is opposite because you post mostly just your training story posts like. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a USPA referee, and like the US open last year like the really inconsistent judging. I literally like all my grandma was like, yeah, I'm cool strict judging, but like shitty inconsistent judging and it's like an technically not even allowed to say anything like that. But it was just like, I'm not going to voice my opinion. It was shitty. Judging at one meet like, it was just us. There's a lot of every well judging on everybody I was there. I got a lot of shit. There's a lot of shit for saying that I think everybody can understand. I think we'd just put too much weight into social media were on there. Too much. You know, we're all guilty is scroll scrolling mindless scrolling. Yeah. Shit scrolling. Yeah. Yeah. Did you find yourself at some point? You realize that you've just been ho I look and leave the bathroom with a red Mark base in my. Shooting. Fucking twenty five minutes realize how am I ships went from five minutes to thirty three. Some of the goals you have coming up here in terms of lifting. So I wanted to Boston boss next year. Dan told me to go this year. But I ended up handling some of the Tribus meat and so. I want to. Obviously improvement. But like I want a hundred pounds. I want a bench of four hundred finally and a two thousand pound total was my leg short-term eminent goal. I'll pretty much probably only compete in wraps amount of I don't I just don't like sleep squatting fucking suck it better with more shit. And so I wanna I wanna squad three fifty cages set like seven seventy one like it's not a normal squat in two twenty eight hundred pound deadly does not know most into twenty or so those are like the big too in terms of single live in. Disclaimer. Garrison a true to twenty he weighed eleven at at three o'clock in the afternoon after eating all fucking. Yeah. I gotta eat up, buddy. That's that's what I'm gonna do. Now. I'm too fucking lean about fucking dick veins all the time. I got a whole veins those might be hemorrhoids. How can you see them? But we'll veins come on everybody in the fucking world reverse camera. I know everybody in the world has gone to a mere or stood on the counter in the bathroom and just at some point. But not every day. You don't do it today? You don't do. Well weirdo. Got really awkward. I've never done that by the way. Just so, you know. Okay. So have you never had someone else? Take a picture of your bowl. So you can get a better looking. So has your wife ever shaved your whole? No, okay. She's shaved other parts of like for my bodybuilding shell like things were getting weird of his wife over ships bum. Oh, yeah. Our friend fat bald. Evan is. This is off subject, but there are Harry there. Harry people out there, Harry people out there, and there are some people that have nominees in. This guy's asshole isn't anomaly, he loves the show, it it's a very very it is a I if he's like us like a massive thing is like the weirdest like all the hairs collectively travel moving towards towards his asshole. Like, why are they bothered either? So they try to trim this thing up. But the thing is it's not like Kearlier. It's all nice. And like it's weird. It looks like. Fabio's Chester fabulous. He's always like the romantic. Yeah. It's like, it's Chester. But it is a collective like black hole. Right. I try to manscaping say, yeah, it'll be fucking like shave it like with an electric razor because he gets to the point where I mean at some point shit. Catches it. Yeah. I was gonna say like what are they doing back there that like this is so important? Never know that might be some pegging knowing. To investigate this. So glad we talked about Evans asshole. Before we always end up talking about. But holes I think are quite a bit of talked about bulls for like fifteen minutes in there. And we weren't even on air. We were just talking about bubbles. Well, it's important to keep it clean. Yeah. As part of the reason why we have a baby wipes. Yeah. I saw that and throws in the wrong bathroom. I can't believe that you're so like lost its baby. Okay. Here's a here's why I don't think I'd like a baby. I don't think I'd I'd like obeyed whatever even China for the same reason that I I wouldn't like one of those what are those spray things a day? Yeah. Oh, saying that because I don't my Boho to be wet. I'm gonna walk around. Right. That's a dry town. Like what about a detachable shower head? Do. You get swamp ass, like horrible, horrible swamp us. That's what this. I hate it. This is there's a baby wipes going to help my swamp. Four shower head, you know about that it would detachable shower head you can take off, and you can clean everywhere. I just clean over my hands. I don't even use the fast. So you butthole gets wet though, you won't use it baby wipe, but you'll scrape the inside your asshole in the shower with your covered. So like what? What do you don't do come on? I don't know seems I also like when I wash my hair like, I took the shampoo hand. No. Yeah. But it was like wash my hair, and I always like also wash my armpits. My pew everywhere in my chest. I have hair I use the same shampooed. Look is that weird person. Does that I don't know. I don't really have hair. So he'll go through these like he'll ask these things. One one time. We were when any pauses. Yeah. Which see if it's okay with everybody else when he used to work for me up in south bend. We have a warehouse, and there's a bunch of guys in there, and we're all sitting around. And there was nobody talking in Garrett goes does anybody else? Disabled else went there after they're being. It was dead. Silence. I mean, you're talking about it and just send them home at eleven grown men. And he he said it just like that too. He said people said his anybody else Weiner said no unit had PPO does anybody else wiped their p p when they're done peeing in no one answered in. He was face was beat red. And he was like, yeah. Me neither. I like. I don't know my prospects fucked up like nobody nobody else in the world dribbles. Thomas p I always do. I mean a lot of caffeine will do that night. Ninety year old men. I mean, I already look thirty third of the way the federal in back in the day would make you like totally p your Sedrine isn't really he thought you were done, and you're like I went to the bathroom, and you walk out and like, I just pissed myself. What just happened here? And then you have a heart attack that to you got you fired up for a workout. Oh, yeah. What? So what do you do for a living because he said, the gym doesn't really make money so drugs, or what are we doing here? Yeah. Sell drugs. No. It's it's not really interesting at all. But it is this good us sales for a company. We do we. And we'll open new companies all time just to do it. Like we start new joke where we go like that. Like, it's just a new a new company. Right now, the big thing that we do is. We actually where we live is like the RV and boat manufacturer of the whole world whole world. Yeah. And we service them pretty much invented a repair process that like repairs these RV's in these boats on the line like on the manufacturer inter interior of your. Yeah. And I mean right now, the RV industry is kind of taking a decline in New York Times did a huge article on it specifically on our area. Scared a whole bunch of people. So we started another company where we actually we manufacturer OEM boat furniture that goes into the boats at the manufacturer. So and so we also do a pollster. Yeah, that's not Ainley about. He does like do. I feel servicing. Do a pollster majority of what they've everything actually down there. Oh, yeah. You do. So seeing. Terms of just like the actual service. I do like clean hitters, don't clean shutters. I typically like it's we work with a lot of casinos in restaurants. So that's typically I'm in those two realms most of the time I do a little bit of like home furniture. And then I also do like invoicing I do like I I'm trying to autumn automate our entire inventory right now. So like inventory management operational management do sales. Call service calls like they've everything. Yeah. Small companies. So let's kind of have a everything type job who guy anything Andrew. Hi, andrew. What's up, dude? Sorry. You guys have been China ups. I haven't been able to get acing alward in. But I really like asshole ish. Upset over there. Yeah. Speaking of asshole issue goes we're saying about your first hemorrhoids. How did that happen? My first timer. Yeah. That was my first time Royd was via squat. I was there for it. He was there. So like, my whole sort of the rip on the way down. My first rap squad. I was like four thirty five we have like one hundred seventy pounds at the time. And my butthole I felt like it was ripping on the way down and the ship my pants, and so I go to the bathroom, and I like clean up, and I sit down to gather us the shit out and somebody got fucking murder, sediment butthole. I mean, if somebody got murdered and they're bursting whole night. I didn't know how to him. I had already had a hemorrhoids before that. That was the first time since I've had four cents. Yeah. You've had hemorrhoids, but you still never use baby wipes. That's baby wipes are a lifesaver read situations. I just let it leak out. I've had I've had so many hemorrhoids at this point. Like e so open with it to it actually the last Arnold guy. No to the guy. I let the guys see what it looked like they're like in. I remember how appalled beef was. But he wouldn't stop staring shits and Senator guy friends. No me neither neither. I definitely do. I do. Somebody else says big brother's birthday. I'll just send them just the just a massive Lunka, just bam. My hands to be. Has to be do stuff like that. Because these guys are so sick in here that I'll just I'll get from bartered with. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Just get worse and worse, and we can't play chicken with these guys. All right. Well, we'll definitely want to for sure. This'll be all over the wall. But how did you meet your fiance? So we we mean Kayleigh met at the gym. At the time when we first met we were actually both in long term relationships shoes in a four four and a half year relationship, and I was in a two year leadership going a little over that. And so we met there, and then Kelly is five years older than me. So she's twenty six. A little bit of Keighley's background Kelly was a golden glove boxer. She was a undefeated nj zoo. And when the Arnold she's undefeated and taekwondo, and she was to one of the cage. It's pretty bad us pretty bad. I was woman and a good powerlifter. She's reading time she'd like kind of have a little stint with bodybuilding, she really like it. She didn't have a great coach. And so I'm she met me. And like, you know instantly impressed by me. She was on. She got on stage. One right. Yeah. Yeah. So I offered at the time I wasn't charging for coaching. And so I worked my way unprofessionally and started coaching her, and then it just developed from there and. Proposed may fourth. I anybody knows what that is. Yeah. Maybe that with you. Jessica does that Jessica. And so. Rosie missing with. Huge stores is dogs names. Plo did you close? Yeah. And so yeah. So we met at the gym. And it was just fucking awesome. She's awesome. She's my driving force now. Another one force. Just keep just keep me. Andrew now disguised. See what you guys think about Hathor saying he's going to do. Powerlifting. Now, we were just talking about that thousand three five forty and like nine nine four zero three. That's we talked about this on the once we got off the flight, and we were taking the car over here yesterday. We're just talking about how we were both super excited about that. And how he's probably will have top hill. I've until do like top five top top six total all the time. Yeah. So yeah. And like the thing is he's never done. So so many people like I fucking love to see like all these people like like door, and Eddie, and like Robert O birth posting these bats lifts, and then someone commenting like this was this the nine seventy I have no idea now. But. And then you see on this comments like click the comments on this. He squad raw though. He's squats knee wraps. If you click the comments, look how people Todd Larry wheels. Larry wheels did nine hundred sleeves. It's like. It's like the best thing. I'm at good job and go the fuck home like alad, how thorough post is like seven fifty for four sets a four something. You know, what I mean like or whatever like us? He's just not. I think this is a list, and he fucking dunks it to he buries it all the time. And he's six foot eight or nine like for a mainland got to be able to close to a thousand and just new apps like give a fuck what he weighs. He's fucking six eight. He's absolutely massive. It's going to be hard for anybody to catch up to Milan Chavez done. It will be impressive to see him. He can do I think of hall competed in don't I don't think anybody's chain Milana chips. Yeah. Yeah. Because a lot of trouble catch what Malaj did before. So somebody has to brand anymore. Well, you know, I wanna have squats were always pretty easy to. He squatted eleven hundred role. But I mean, he's always good for around nine hundred pound dead lift six hundred pound bunch. She benches around six hundred price laundly mid thousand pounds JP price. So the only people ever of Beauchamp JPL LBJ p. Owns do people ever squad a grand and bench six hundred and say meet. Yeah. The mobility will in the fucking range of motion wrath. Yeah. The mobility Thors is crazy and Brian Shaw. Like Brian shells able to get down to the deadly bar. So well. Well, you get the fuck exist like seven hundred pounds of art looks tiny next to him. Yeah. They just let's just girlfriend. Have you guys seen the game? That was that was like. That's his wife. They're married. Have you seen that little rat? Eating a giant banana. It's hilarious. Has is definitely the source of a lot of jokes. When he posts a picture with his wife. We are always powerlifting page after that post nine memes in a row after things like that could really help, you know, help sport, you know, quite a bit. I always so popular. I mean. Yeah, it's huge. Internationally known by people that don't lift. Yeah. And that's you know, that those kinds of things will be important. I think what Larry wheels was doing like if Larry wheels was just competing. I would say no, I would say it's not gonna do anything for powerlifting. Because we've had a lot of great powerlifters. But the fact that he just does it on the internet and just doesn't for fun that actually will have a bigger impact on our morning. Yeah. Because people that's people want the lowest barrier of entry. Anyone can go to the gym. And anyone can do exactly what Larry wheels. Does. They will just use less weight. Yeah. They can go in. Yeah. They'll go in and perform a one rep max squat, and they can kind of see where they stand they can perform the exact same exercise. And that goes back to what we said in the beginning about powerlifting gear. It's too high of a barrier of entry. So while, you know, some of us who've been around for a while might be like, oh, I want to try out some squat gear and some bench shirts and stuff, and by to a few meets, and that side of the sport might grow a little bit. It won't be. Thing that makes it the sport explode who is your favorite powerlifter. I got a lot of them. But one overall excluding comb. I would say Stanford. I don't think STAN ever got like, I I mean people understand how strong isn't stuff, but don't think ever got enough credit for like, I mean, he came in the sport. He was predominantly a bodybuilder, and he was old. And he was yeah. He was like I mean, he was breaking world records at forty six years old. But I loved how meticulous. He was with everything. The other thing you didn't get credit for was his form and technique. People would be like a youthful squad. He goes so slow on the way down and this and that and like if you watch stand like stands in a lot better, shape and condition nowadays. But when he first came to us like he he just he could barely walk the right way. I mean, he was just he was his body. Just tight he's muscle-bound. He's he's a mutant. He's an exceptional athlete. But you know, if you watch the way the law's video that really wide stance ways able to force his cO ways able to force his. Screaming all the time. All these forces knees out, so well and keep good upright Pasha. God this fucking meat was awesome. Was this the backyard meet to I don't was this. This is probably not going to be great representation of the way that he squats because you know, as as we got further into it. He was just trying to really cheat the system as much as he could. And he would get the bar lower and lower on his back and things like that. But still a beautiful fucking squad. Man, that's like a classic multiply squat. I always always I was always bummed that. We don't get STAN like stand efforting now. Like, you think about what he did in bodybuilding what he did in powerlifting. And then also how articulate he is how how smart he is just the way he talks he having him now like in his prime now would be huge. I made this was fucking awesome. This is my favorite part of this me. I made some comments on his Instagram the other day because he's doing a seminar at Jesse Bertix, Jim. And I said, you know. Don't let stand get away from you without asking him questions about lifting. Oh, yeah. Because he's going to stand up there and talk to you about diet forever. Which is great. And that's fantastic and people do need to be healthier. But STAN know so much about lifting, and, you know. Being able to coach him was was a huge honor. And I remember like little things like he'd go up. And he he missed a six I think six eleven bench. And and I was like, dude, I'm like same thing. We talked about in training and tuck your elbows went back out there. And he nailed it. And he was like dances. He's like, I think I got it that time, and he ended up crushing a world record total that day who's your pilot or Mike mine one. You are. So nice. I always say that eight GARRETT'S my favorite powerlifter. Matt Barlow's, my favorite powerlifter, close goes pile of tres truck Vogel pool. And Jeremy is that a villa? Yeah. Jaime Avila we have if it's a villa or via. I don't think he cares. He is my he is my favorite power. Now. Have you guys Ed cone before? Oh, yeah. Talk show meal. Ed comes he comes to so many meets two. That's is the biggest fan of the sport. That's what it is. Like, I remember he like, he messy message on my last meet his like, he's like, you know, go always calls me fucking little guy. And it was like he never stops flipping me off every time. I've seen him slipping out. He's he was at the open and competed on Sunday. And he like he like walked up to me. We never even spoken before is like he called me. My last name is like one hundred mile house. Like fuck. I didn't by the way. I did not. I have not. Sorry that he he you gave it a ride give it around twice. Yeah. This last meet you. Time I was tempted eight hundred eighty four three times all three times. Scott my knee. Fastest fuck. Yeah. It's Kim finish. Ed cone was absolute mutant, you know, a nine hundred and ninety one sumo dead lift and eighty-seven conventional dead lift, I don't know if you know this, but he's got nine one. He did he thought he was dead lifting eighty one I heard that somewhere. Well at the time, they do is. I'm sure, you know, this you do your left if it was a world record after they'd roll your weight onto a scale and way to confirm the world record. And it was he thought it was eighty one. And then. Yeah. It was nine one one. He actually had another attempt in that meet to and I think he tried like nine twenty seven or something. I love these videos of how Vegas fucking Jack. How and how check the guys are that are in the background. Oh, yeah. You know, what's funny too? Is you see these they'll had trend pallets from tractor supply co these these old these old, Ed Cohen, videos and stuff. This spotters are more fuck injected than any spotters now Anki that's always say the spotters. Now, I don't think has the forest. Fires. A big dog catch that like eleven forty squad or whatever it was the caught at like fell off his back, and they caught it two inches two inches after it felt they all caught it. It's fucking insane. Yeah. There's been some there's been some amazing amazing lift quasi Jim shirt. I was inspired a lot by Ted are CD who is also a professional wrestler. He's the first guy to bench over seven hundred pounds. That's kind of like one of the I like big lifts I've ever I've ever seen. It was. And it was on during a it was on during a WWF show, and they just like showed a clip of it. Yeah. He's crush. I always I I love them. People say their favorite squatter was a cross ski Kirk Russky. But it's like Ed cone did what he was doing like an shitty. Power soothing, the mountaineer coupla he takes tumble here. But Ed squatted nine hundred for double. I think in just knee wraps and oh shit. I'm seeing that back then he wraps. We're not like the fucking me routes as behavior. As fucking and they really were see it some beat. He ever did see that end. Yeah. We need to see that again. The the next clip is the last meet that he ever did when his body is just a broken. But he's still I think this is like still at eight hundred and this was single ply. Yeah. But he's still figures it out he'll just like lean into it. You know, he just he squatted with his back, and he's still he's never been afraid to like the the problem is I believe afraid to MIT that they squat where the do. I meet someone of people who are just convinced. They don't because I dealt with a rounded up her back, and I meet Sony who are just so convinced that like, oh, no, my my former perfect foam is perfect. And it's like if you're finding a way to optimize your strength in this position. Like. Shut the fuck up and do it. Well, if you ever seen Ed Cohen lift in person than you would quickly realize it his lifting technique is very weird gas. It's only hit. But it's a hundred percent. The best thing for him. You know, and it nobody no two people have the same leverage is known to people should have the same bench past the same squad at the same time. This is when he's in these injured and he passes out in this video. I remember this one to remember this. He like falls goes belt off all he falls over. Thousand three I remember this too. Yep. This means actually where he breaks the all time world record. But what makes cone the best? You know, a huge factor with making him the best is that he broke he broke the all time world record for the total regardless of weight class. Yeah. As a two hundred twenty pound person, he you know, he was able to surpass. I think I don't know if it was caz Meyer at the time. But it was somebody huge like that. I thought it was caz Meyer. Yeah. He and he did it right there. Eighty seven pull the the thing. He'll always he always calls me skinny hill. Because I am I the first thing I just do one motion to him every time I go like this is just go this. Let's look at it. You short. Yeah. If I book fucking hands though, scare the shit on me. I like if I had those hands I would be very self conscious about my penis size. A big feet to Mike bridges was a bad ass to and Mike bridges used to knock the shit out of the super heavyweights as well. And he was only one eighty one. And I think that maybe they didn't compete against each other. I was gonna say I think he'd be at Cohn, but I don't think they ended up on the same platform. But Mike bridges was an absolute savage multi multi wish time world champion, and then he went into cross fit and did like masters cross fit and was good at that. Tonight. Bridges did cross fit. Yeah. I wish I could have seen like the old O at the Arnold. And that's like the big fucking giant stage. Fucking big behemoth of men like scooping up powerlifting. Now, it's like back then like you knew when someone's a pilot look a lot of the geared powerlifter. Yeah. There's Mike bridge a lot geared powerlifters. They won't really get the credit, you know, especially the kind of morbid his son, not sure Josh bridges, his son. No, I don't believe. So I don't think they're related, but a lot of the geared lifters won't get credit because there was also Gary Frank Gehry. Frank was the first guy to do like twenty four twenty five twenty six twenty seven and twenty eight hundred pounds. I mean, he he absolutely nyah late or twenty five hundred to twenty eight hundred pound totals. He absolutely dominated. He crushed everybody. But bridges was squat in like, I wanna say mid eight Swain one eighty one. Jeez. I mean, it's just ridiculous. But these squats suits and stuff to like, you know, people say, they didn't do anything. They they did quite a bit. I mean, they were in were insanely tight and. Very painful. Like, I like the cool thing for me is like I started lifting at such a young age. I was around for that. So well that looks like it's nine million years ago. I started lifting at like twelve. Yeah. So I I. Twelve when I competed the for the first time, I was probably about twelve years old. Yeah. Been around for a long time. Is it a bench only meet bench bench? I don't remember him. I wish I could remember my competition. Was that push poll Kentucky muscle when I weighed in at one Seventy-three benched to sixty five and five hundred pounds. And I five hundred pound poll though. I I went fucking shit. Yeah. Yes. Mazing when you do that. And yeah, you you benched how much two to sixty six about my I think he did about ten pounds more than that at his last meet my my first sanctioned full power me. I squatted four thirty five in sleeves and I- bench to seventy five twenty nine and that was April of twenty sixteen. Oh by October of twenty eighteen I swatted seven eleven bench street, he five and delegated seven fifty five. Nice forty pounds to eleven Mike you're gonna compete anytime soon. And if I had a dollar for every time people ask me that I I give myself a hard time, and I truly am my worst critic. But I'm not terrible. I'm not a terrible, powerless. There's a good push poll pile if there. Yeah. But I I the platform is for somebody. That is a mental midget like myself, and the platform is a very sacred place for me, and I respect it a lot. And it scares the fuck out of me. It really does. I have to be very very prepared for the platform. It'll be it'll be two years this February since last time I competed, but I'm probably the strongest I've ever been right now. At you know, my normal weight too. So I don't know. It's it's a question. I get a lot. So I have to you have to coach yourself the way you coach other people and just say, you know, what just doing meet. And that's why I got coach him. Yeah. Because because he he he. He if he programmed himself heavy polling max up for ever, I I would never program myself anyways. But I'm so busy right now with other athletes. I have more fun doing that. Like, I go into the gym and trained myself like I'm getting ready to compete in. Oh, yeah. I mean Garrett will tell you. I'm very intense with my own training. And I take it very seriously. But I- program a lot of people I travel a lot for meats and right now. That's that's what I enjoy. I I get I get pretty I get pretty juiced up to what you're going to compete again. I'm came out of retirement. I don't have any plans to compete in anything at the moment. No, no plans, we do battleships later. Yeah. Compete in that. I think I already got my second wave out thing. I'm good. Okay. I guys that's it strengthens never week this week this never strength. Catch guys later.

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Mark Bell's Power Project EP. 212 Live - UK Recap SARMageddon and IFBJJ Worlds Updates

Mark Bell's Power Project

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Mark Bell's Power Project EP. 212 Live - UK Recap SARMageddon and IFBJJ Worlds Updates

"Dan for some. How can this? I mean. Well, this guy here it, maybe I hope so. Okay. Just making sure all right. The band is back together on the internet. We're we're on this. We're on the internet. Yeah. There that's the call. They make you guys got that picture. I bought that machine for us to write crank and everything. That's a more modern one. Yeah. I'm gonna move it today. So I'll help you guys out or help Andrew 'cause I know you don't do any of that. So, yeah, I that's not his department. I used to do stuff like that. But I think like eleven thousand pounds. We have like a send out the wheel. Oh a carton. Yes. Cart shows how much me. We can't even say Dalai, right? Yeah. It's, it's got four wheels, and hooves heavy things. It makes it easier that'll work. Yeah. Right. Cart. We were just kind of wrapping here a little bit about our boy. Mica Michael Hearn Mico trend that guy's got to be on some songs, right? No, no. I believe Mike. Now. Yes Reed, I live in the same. Goddamn. Got all you guys got to stick together. You and John seen him are all having a big party behind the wheel hanging out talk about cycle. They got him, bro. They eat pizza all the time. Man. He's always been big. I can't dispute it. That's true. Yeah. Maybe he takes creating take creating everyone should take creatine. Maybe he's natty. Maybe it's creating. I'm not sure but he looks amazing whatever the case is. And he's trying to get down to twenty and so I've been I've been helping them with that. And I was confused because he was like, yeah, I wanted to drop to two twenty and I thought he meant like he wanted, just like way to twenty like kind of get that get to that weight, and be that wait for a little while. And I was like, I don't know how that's gonna work because, you know, like percentage wise, if he's like I've seen when he gets in really good shape and he'll be still like to forty maybe sometimes as heaviest to fifty and still be super lean. So I'm like, mathematically, you know what the hell's going to happen? This guy is going to like lose everything lose muscle lose fat and lose water. And I don't know how to twenty but then he was like, Nah, I just want to, like, I don't know my mind if I do you know water manipulation to way to twenty and I was like, oh, it's like, okay that's what's different. Because maybe do cardio and sauna and like getting all these weird tricks that George Lockhart did with me, and maybe we can. Get him as to twenty you probably go from two thirty to thirty two down to twenty without a problem. If you just cuts water has not to do all that, and he's, you know, he's still right now. He's still kinda holding like to forty but he's doing two hours of cardio every day. But he's really tall though, he yeah. Yeah. I know. And that's the thing too. It's like you know, his, his body weight stuff is kinda deceiving. You know. So that is a factor and Seema's fairly tall too. I think I think you're maybe an inch or two taller than me. At least right? Yeah. And then you're probably close to the same height, as Mike, if he might have an inch on your so, and that's another factor, you know, when you think about some of these people that we see on the internet and thinking about how big they are, and you hear the body weight that they way like in seem as a heavy guy, you know, I'm, I'm fairly heavy guy. Mike is is. Sometimes he'll weigh like two eighty his kind of, like quote unquote, normal weight will be like two eighty. If he's just kind of eating, not, not, like eating whatever he wants he never does that. He never just like well he eats, what he wants. But he eats very healthy. Sometimes backs off the cardio, too. Right. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of times he won't do any cardio for months on end. But I think you know, a really key thing to learn from him. And there's a great thing to learn from bodybuilding bodybuilders are on the same diet year round, you know, they're not doing and the guy that was on the podcast yesterday. He mentioned, seasons having like a season and you don't really hear that you don't hear that being coached up that much, but you should have like an NC's in off season. Maybe even if you're just a regular person walking around, maybe it's a good idea to go through a bulking face go through a cutting phase and have moments where you do cardio have moments where you eat less in had moments where you don't do that shit and death like there's going to be times of like more, unless activity like when you're saying that there's times up Mike drops his cardio. I could definitely see, you know, they're being a time where, you know. Instead of doing six seven sessions of Judah two week, I'll drop down a four and one of the big reasons I've been able to stay so lean right now is because I'm doing so much jujitsu if I wasn't doing as much as I am right now won't be as lean as I am. Because I don't do any of the Karbi outside of that. So what he said, he does two hours of cardio at day, like I can't imagine. I don't know if he just doesn't on a biker treadmill, but can't imagine doing that. It's a lot of cardio. He does a lot of times. He'll do he he's big on the stair stair climber, stairmaster deal. And he's also big on treadmill. And it goes, I think he mixes it up because to two hours on, on a stairmaster would really kill you. You know. So he probably does a half an hour of, of, of the stair stepper. So I know like even for a long time when I first got to know him, he, he was doing that on, you know, an hour just every morning like it was like, the, you know, he just I, I can't remember. I think he did it after workouts. I think now he splits it up. He's got some stuff at his house. Yeah. That he he'll, he'll do it on. But he just has crazy discipline and people wanna take that away. And they wanted to say all, you know, he's on shit, and it's it's hard because he outwardly promotes that he's natural. And, and so he may he may actually very well be natural. I don't I don't know his personal life that way. I do know him really well. And I've known them for over twenty years, but I don't know what he doesn't doesn't do. And it's just, you know, it's but still either way, whether even if he does take stuff. I mean whenever he's at anybody go train with him. He almost kicks everyone's ass. All the time. I can't really remember recall there being a time where I was like, oh my God, that guy just whooped up on him. He kills everybody works out with, like you said, you don't like when you watch him lift. It's like everything is controlled even when it comes to lifting super heavy loads. He's not over here clanging and banging just slamming waits around without any control. He has a lot of control when he does that. Which is absolutely insane. The other day when he posted this video right, here, he said, am I doing these deadlocks, right? Wait to see how much weight is that? It's like four plates. I think might even be five and that was like a reverse double over hand over hand grip. No straps. No, no hook grip. One thing I remember when, when we were down in Venice, you and your brother. Both were dislike men, you've you've kind of you've gotten by without any any bumps bruises like we, we all have something we are dealing with something like you haven't had anything, you know, it's just like the longevity of this guy. He literally hasn't been entered and he's fifty years old. Right. So, yeah, it's, it's insane. And, and you know what that what I would trigger that, too is his mindset because if you ask, Mike, if he's ever been hurt he'll say, well, you know, he's like I've had some alleys calls an hour. You know what I mean? That's just that's just o'hearn. No her thing right there. He goes, he goes, I've had, I've had a lot of hours, you know, a lot of things that, you know. And it's like well with that kind of mindset. Of course, never been hurt because he's not thinking, oh, man. My elbows really jacked up or my shoulder man. I really tore it up so screwed up. You know, he's not thinking I gotta take a couple of weeks off. He's thinking it's a boo boo. And you know what do you do with the boob? Will you put a band aid on it? And so his band aid is the do different exercise. -actly. I brought a Ryan down there. Ryan Soper down there with me, one day as a ringer, because Mike just wasn't at as strongest and we squatted the week before. And he and I were going back and forth on some squads. He's still kicked my ass. He went up to like six plates, or maybe it's five places at five plates for some reps, and stuff. And they were deep squats and stuff. Still impressive. And Ryan Soper was was he just got done with a meat or getting ready for meat? So I was like, oh, this'll be kinda cool, like if they work out together Mike look. Ryan up and down. This is at four in the morning. He looks them up and down. And we're, we're hanging out by the squat rack and Mike goes, let's go leg press. Mike, mike. Yeah. Mike knew this is a selector is the ringer that we're going to bring into the bunch here. Oh man. But a lot of weight that they have stacked up on that. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We were like pressing that day. We shot over the leg press and loaded that thing up and Mike. Wanted you to bring the way all the way down to the motto of, of the, of the like, where, where it goes to on lake present man. It was it was brutal. But Ryan hung in there and Brian did the same weight or Ryan did the same way. But he, he did less representing Mike did like I said, a fifteen or something Ryan set of three or something like yeah. Still for. Yeah. Man for Ryan to keep up with him. Yeah. So do know if you can if you can catch Mike on anything, then you achieve something, and Mike will go through a whole backward out. And then he'll, you know, he'll do we went through a whole chess, workout chess, tricep, workout. And then he finished a workout off with doing dips, and he did, you know, set a tan, and the other said at ten ten in cigarette time to, like, start working out. And he he he you know hangs like a I don't know, a couple of forty fives office waste, like three forty five. Does a few more sets of ten? Yeah. Never misses reps forms. Never bad never misses meals. You know, he said he tributes, a lot of things to, like, he doesn't, you know, he'll fast and think he'll mess with different techniques and stuff. But anytime he has a scheduled meal. He doesn't miss it. He always eats it. He oh, he he's been doing that, since he was, you know, pretty much fourteen fifteen years old. I was like to twentieth sixteen. You know what I mean? Yeah. And the just the thing to pay attention for mic is again like. If you're gonna laugh at this. But like Mike is goals for like, when I'm like, fifty you know what I mean? Because you don't see first off everyone talks about Sarko PINA, you know, men, they're like, oh, we're gonna lose a lot of muscle as you get older in it's bound to happen. And you were just saying the other day you just don't think he believes that like he, he doesn't believe that I feel like he's potentially stronger now than when he was in his thirties. Do you know or? Why we I would say that I would say that in a lot of ways he is stronger. 'cause like he's probably more well rounded now. He's definitely in better shape. I mean he looks better. I mean you go back and look at some of the older pictures of him. Yeah. And he's just not nearly in the shape that he's in now. So he's more well rounded, in terms of his physique, and he has more strengthened some different areas. Now, he used to be able to bench more, and he's to be able to like squat more, and he's Bill like dead lift more. But that's, that's pretty one dimensional that's, that's like one particular style of lifting powerlifting, and he loves powerlifting, but to be able to get on a to a seated military press and do behind the neck presses with, like three plates, and then it'd be able to go over the inclined bench and be able to press five plates and be able to lay down flat bench and reverse grip five plates. And, and so on. Right. It's the list of things just goes on and on. He's just absolutely. It's amazing what he's done. But it's it's all been through consistency. I guess is kind of the main point and. Mike does something better than a lot than a lot of. He does something better than than what most people are able to do and that's just to change goals. Shift gears here and there and have times where he's like, you know what I'm just going to get as big as I can, and he'll get for him. He'll get fat. And so, you know, while a we're looking at them, we're still thinking he's like big and lean for him. He would still feel fat, so it wouldn't be any different than any of us anyone who's listening to this show or any of us on this podcast today. It wouldn't be any different than any of us Chubb in out and gained fifteen pounds of maybe gaining I dunno ten pounds of muscle and ten pounds of fat. We still feel like we're kind of chugging out too, right? And but he has the discipline and dedication understand that, that is for something further down the road that's for something in the future. And that takes a lot of guts that do that. That's not an easy thing to do. It's not, especially in an industry like this where, you know, everyone wants to be super lean all the time. I think the biggest thing to take away from him. Those like, no matter what you may think of him, whether you think he's like natural. Whether you think he's not just look at what he does like consistency. Like you mentioned look at his disciplined look at how long he's been doing it. And he's had patients doing all of this, you just been consistently doing it day in and day out without skipping a day. And STAN efforting like when he made that video like fuck Mike o'hearn he was talking about the consistency and the dedication to what he does, it's just like no matter what you think take that away in the ply that to yourself, and whatever it is. You're doing you'll get to a pretty decent place. So according to this post, it says that's him at twenty one years old. Yeah. And that muscle maturity at twenty one that's absolutely insane cat and then also the size like what ways rate there. That's the thing. It's like that would be one thing if he weighed two twenty to ten probably to fifty or to forty now. So to thirty six right there on the about this, though, to thirty six twenty one right now what he pretty much looks close to the same. Yeah. More density and muscle tissue. But it's not like you know it's not like he's that much bigger, right? Yeah. A stand efforting attributes Michael horn with the worst before and after picture of all time, because there's pictures of Michael Harnett, like sixteen where he's like waste to forty pretty jacked. Stands like he's got the worst progression in the history of the sport. Yeah. Insieme said about the his mindset he probably actually truly does not believe that, you know as he gets older he's going to deteriorate because I mean there hopefully it's I don't think I brought it up, but there has been studies where they'll, they'll take a group of like elderly people like, hey, we're gonna pretend like it was thirty forty years ago. I know she's talking. Yeah. And so, like they changed like the TV shows on TV all in, like magazines newspapers. Like we just want you to reminisce and talk about everything that happened forty years ago, and, like their, their blood markers got better. They walked in with like canes and stuff. And then by the time they were done. They're playing like flag football and it was just like, whoa, what happened? It's like this, the they took their mind there. So I think that's probably has a lot to do with her and thinking about all the noises that you start to make as you get older just to get up off the couch. You're like, all right. You know, and like, I remember my dad doing that. Like, why am I doing that? I don't I don't need to make a grunt to get off. Couch. You're like my losing my mind here. But it's yeah, it seeps it seeps into your system and you don't even realize you know what bit you turn? But Mike is super positive, and, you know hill we trained with him, he'll make fun of you. And he'll, he'll talk a lot of trash and stuff. But he's he'll avoid the negativity. You know, if you if you say something that's like, you know over the top, I've seen him kind of just kind of turn away from it. I think that he just he has like a force field around it, he's like I can't, I can't mess with that. That's going to mess up what my goals and I'm not going to be part of that. You know, you it just makes a lot of sense you know, with with everything that he's doing, even like I'm meant to this on episodes in the past two, you know, in times where like you can't really lift as much you don't feel as good. I think for a lot of people to like, when you're not know, doing something that allows you to be super active, and you're not, I guess, being like the way that Mike is consistent with that, then allows a lot of dark thoughts can come in a lot of disbelief in whatever it is that you're doing can come in that would I? Believe right now with the way my mind is if I wasn't able to do some of the things I do I can't be as positive as I typically am. And if you magin like he's been doing that all his life and make sense why he blocks that stuff off. You just you're not going to take him off his, Pat. It's gonna take a lot to do that. You know, people are listening to, like, come on, you've really think he's natural. You know, I know people are always kind of asking that question. That's, that's what always hovers. That's what always looms over top. I mean I can say that I've never seen. Anybody that looks like that, that hasn't been in question? Yeah. You know, and I've never seen anybody like that, that I didn't pretty much automatically assume they're on stuff. So even though he's my friend, and even though we're close and even though we know each other, I automatically assume he takes them, but it doesn't it doesn't take away anything that the guys have redone. He's still put in a body of work. That is pretty much unmatched by anybody else. Yeah. And there's really not much anyone can get anyone can do about that, regardless of whether you think he's on something or not on something. And it's hard to say that as a friend, because it's like, why would I think a friend would be lying, you know, but I think that people may be have the reasons I don't know. Yeah. Well, I mean, yes, I mean you has joked about the whole back and forth thing, but you on, I think both his channel. And our channel is how about how you were just joking the whole time, and it kind of just all out of control. But it was cool that you guys did that because I. A lot of people are like wait. Like is that real is not real like, anytime, like the two of you would show up at expo? Like you could just kind of like see people like eyeball and looking around like, are they gonna like what's gonna happen? Attention. Yeah. Read it had a good time with that one. I saw back read. It had a blast with that they were taking that seriously. Crazy. Well, Mike also has done a lot of martial arts and stuff too. So I don't know what the hell would become an out of his body, you know, and I don't know what the hell he would be doing. That's fine. Probably wouldn't be good. Yeah. I wouldn't end well for me. You haven't insieme now. So I'd be like get him. And then who knows Mike? And I would show Q out. Yeah. One guy rips? My ankle off. Another guy. Chokes me out. Yeah. Anyways, trying to get to two twenty and he's got like two more days of do it. I think he's still like to thirty six or something. But he'll, he'll get there, we'll get them there. We got him. We got him doing some water manipulation stuff. And we'll we'll see what happens. Anyway. I kind of mentioned, kind of, in the mix of, of some of that, you know, changing goals, seem and I were talking about how you got to, you know, you change goals like you do something for a while you, you throw your hat in to it. You try it out. And even like there are cases where sometimes you do something. And it just it doesn't work out the way that you thought or doesn't work out the way that you wanted. And you may have even somewhat failed at it didn't didn't go your way. And then, of course, you're going to automatically change course from there. But that's not even what we're talking about. It's more like you try something out for a while. You get some of the result out of it that you wanted. And then you move away from it, and maybe try something else or. You kind of see how difficult something is you get some of the reward out of it, and you're like the price that it's going to cost to go. This extra mile is now going to take three times the amount of time since I've already I've already come a long way to go. One more mile is going to take me, you know, four or five years. And I don't know if I really care to spend that amount of time on that I'd rather kind of move into something else. The thing that happens too, is sometimes just you. We have ADHD with our like exercise and with the things that we like to do, and so, sometimes, like I want to try that, that looks cool. I want to try that. And so you try some different things. And we were talking specifically about and Seema going from bodybuilding powerlifting, and then into then into jitsu and it's not like it's not like he did bodybuilding and you felt like oh man. Like, that's as far as I could ever take that. I'm I'm out and it's not like you were failure. You're good at it. And you could still be very good at. At it, but you probably just wanted something a little different. Maybe got a little bored of some of the dieting and you ended up kind of finding power, how did you how did you kind of get into that progression of going from bodybuilding and powerlifting? Yes. So I started doing, like when I was focusing on bodybuilding and lifting for bodybuilding already doing a lot of the big three already in terms of gaining strength. So I could get bigger so I competed in two thousand thirteen and two thousand fifteen and I managed to get two worlds and fifteen a pro at that point already got top five in be heavyweights, which was really, really dope at my first, you know, hitting worlds the first time after that, I came to S T, and then obviously training with everyone here, got me wanting, you know, compete in powerlifting. So I was still doing powerlifting to just help me get bigger because I knew that if I could get stronger, I could ideally put on more muscle tissue. And then from there, I did, I didn't, you know, record, breakers, and that was awesome. But after record breakers for a while I was I was. Training and it was still cool. But I was like, I wanna move more. I want to do something that allows me use my body and I was trying to figure out what exactly is it that I could figure out. And then that's when I found jujitsu, but, you know, I still have like the love of lifting, you know what I mean. Like I feel like a lot of people are or even myself at the time when I was focusing on bodybuilding, I think I was focused too much on bodybuilding rather than just enjoying the process of lifting every single day. And right now, I just love lifting and doing different things every single day with lifting. But when it comes to the transition between all of those, it was just it, it kind of went back to my athletic background of playing soccer. You know what I mean I was moving lot. And I wasn't able to do all that while doing powerlifting and while doing bodybuilding, but jujitsu allowed me to literally mix everything together, while not really having to totally pull something back. Like I don't have to stop doing powerlifting. I don't have to stop doing training bodybuilding, but I can still do. All of that. And use my body the way, I wanna use it with your jitsu. So he was just a it was a natural progression. I guess I think it's cool that you didn't get stuck, you know, like a lot of people get stuck like you could you squatted you know, around six hundred thirty pounds and lift at seven fifty five, and he's like you could've said, okay. That's it. You know. And, and I think he missed a four to bench. Yep. Yeah, you could have said you know what that, you know, I could do better because the, the lifts that you did make in that meet you smash them. They were fairly easy from what I remember. So you could have, you know, most powerlifters would be like, okay. Six fifty next meet or six sixty on the squat, you know, four twenty bench and a, you know, maybe an eight hundred pound poll and you could have gotten it got stuck in that you get stuck in the gears the grinder, you know. And then you're again it's like it may have taken you just a few months to really make a lot of great progress in powerlifting, because he maybe maybe you power lifted before, and you did strength training and he mentioned it at the big three, but maybe didn't do it this way. And maybe he didn't do it. You know with some other lifters. Yeah. Focus, you didn't make it a main focus and have other lifters around that might tell you about your form or different way, different training, techniques, and so on. But I think that sometimes it can end up being a mistake, when you get so focused in, in so honed in on the numbers, and that's all you're obsessed about all the time. You also came across like an injure to write with like your your knee. So some things like set you back. And maybe those things set you on a different path as well. Right. Yeah. The, the meniscus issue in my left knee. I mean, I've always had issues with my niece. I was young and I had offered slaughter that thing, so I had a meniscus issue, get Sergio, my left knee for them to scrape out. I think it was something called a bucket handle tear, my meniscus. So the scrape that out I was back to lifting about seven or eight weeks. I was able to do upper body stuff right afterwards. But like nowadays, I always feel something small in my knee. When I squat really heavy and I, I don't think that's what made me look for jujitsu I, I was already trying to think of something to do like that allow me to do some fun cardio before that. So that's how I came across jujitsu. There. But yeah when when as far as you're concerned, like when I went into my first class and I saw, like what people were doing. I just wanted to dive in somehow only started like two days a week, but seeing house getting my I was getting my but be like, literally every day of trading by guys so much smaller than me. I knew something that I could happen you out there. Tapped me out, like yeah. They were way. I always mentioned this. But there is this one hundred fifty pound black belt who tapped me out six times in six minutes. I will getting tapped up some scheme, and he must've been loved it. Oh, he show. He loved it. His name's Nate and he's superstar. So the whole time he literally had no expression on his face. He will. He wasn't you know, he was just like spoiled. Yeah, he should. He should kill your white belt and not only of your white belts like your first couple of weeks, there should destroy you. I know you're right. But I think Nate also wanted to he wanted to prove a point to me he really did. Because I, I mean I didn't I never had an ego or anything. But when someone sees a big guy, you know, the and they're better at you. Tizi they generally want to be like I can kick your ass. Yeah. They want to show you hey, like it doesn't really matter how big and strong you are. This is a skill. It's and you're, and if you're coming into here, then, and you want to be here for the long haul, you better learn it. Otherwise, this is what every day is going gonna feel like and look like exactly. But the thing is when I started jitsu, like I, I have that, same firewood digits who now that I did when I was competing in bodybuilding when I was competing in powerlifting. It's like and when I was like playing soccer like when I played soccer in college my goal was to go towards and become a pro athlete. And for a while that was a possibility until I got injured. And I got injured I have to stop doing that. But now jujitsu it's like I'm addicted to that sport. I know I wanna get close to the top. I know I want to reach that peak. I know it's going to take a long time, but it's a new goal and I want to do all of that, while being really strong and really big. I want to try and meld all those things together. And right now, it's working pretty well in the heavyweight classes, are there's is there a limit old? Trevy wait the ultra heavyweights are just two twenty and above just yet to twenty two months. And that's and that's what you're in. And you can way whatever you want. You can weigh like three twenty the guy who beat me at pans, Jason Shirley was three twenty former NFL linebacker and the funny thing is I think I was the second or third lightest in my weight class at like, two forty five all the other guys were like pretty dang heavy. So you know, it's there's a lot of big wars in the heavyweight class. Where do you think the like you can draw the line like, where's it become like a diminishing return, like you know, if somebody's rolling in their four fifty obviously, like gas seven feet like you know, yes, they like, I, I don't think there's a diminishing the firm because if you look at Jason who's like six seven three twenty right? Yeah. It makes sense for him to hold that much way. He could probably gets a three hundred but like, you know, I it just depends on how big you are. How tall you are. You know. So what does it Chad way probably three hundred hundred. Yeah. Chats while he's gotta wait. Yeah. He's a solid three hundred two you know, he's he can move. Well, he's athletic. So. It was funny when I was when I saw chat over at pans, we've had Wesley Smith, by the way, ladies and gentlemen, talking about Chad Wesley Smith. He was saying that he's done so much competition, so many other sports, but nothing made him as I don't even it was wasn't nervous, but a psyched up as competing jujitsu, and it's probably just because of you the person to person competition. You have like the sky could take me out. You know what I mean? It's yeah, it's a martial art. So, yeah, there's a there's been people have written about stuff like this in the past. There's a book called the blood and the cage man. I'm having to toll remember the name of it will come in at some point anyway. Blood in the cage talks about how all sport is surrounded by individual. They'll call they'll even call them. They'll say individual battles. And if we wanna take like battle, we can say, like individual fight, you know, in, in football, there's, you know, five off. Of and five defensive lineman, basically, most of the time, depending on what defenses are whatever. But like, for the most part, there's four or five on on every play and there's individual fights going on. You know they got the tackle in the guard and, and so on they're in there. They're like fighting each other, right? The, the interesting part about that is, is like, there's nothing more exciting than watching a one on one competition of two people battling each other in p to people having an actual actual physical fight where there's like less rules football. There's a lot of rule. So it starts gets a little confusing. Now. The things are fun, but it's like it's almost like you're putting a mask on, on what were designed to do because now now we got a ball and you're trying to claim territory and you can look in history and like history, the wars are fought over. Territories in wars are fought over like principles. And I'm gonna invade your space and that, right. And we take fighting it's kind of the similar thing, like, we're, we're going to try to stand our ground rate here, and we're going to battle it out right here. And we're gonna see who's the best and it's very clear cut. It's not it's not a and I guess, like racing and stuff like that would be similar, like where you run against somebody or swimming, and somebody or or bicycle against. Somebody or something like that. It's like I'm going against you. And we're gonna see who's the fastest and this case, you're, you're going against somebody and you're, you're seeing who is. And we don't really get that same competition in power thing. We don't really see it that often, but powerlifting is an individual sport. But unfortunately, like it's, it's on the rare occasion, where it happens where it's really a battle at the end where it comes down to that last dead lift for somebody to win the meat or where really is even seen as like a one on one competition, because there's so many other people competing in this case, you got one person on one side of the Matt, another person on the other side of the matter is very clear. Cut and blood. And the cage, they mentioned that, you know, you can have an NFL football game going on millions and millions of dollars are spent on the players that are on a field. There's eleven on each side there's twenty two players and you stack up the amount of money that, that would be it would be astronomical to guys could be in the crowd and have a fight, and now where's, where's all the attention? Go. Yeah. Now, you'd probably say the same thing had a UFC fight if there's a fighting a crowd, people are going to pay attention to the amateurs, because I it's the unknown that were that were that we kinda like to see, like what's going to happen when these two people square off, but that's a little bit more bar Barrick and a little bit more archaic, and it's like, well, if one guy one is bigger and stronger. He's probably just gonna kill either guy or if somebody's really skilled, there's going to destroy the other guy kinda takes out the real element of, of sport. You know, an, an M has come so far, where now you hear the crowd cheering for like, jitsu reversals and wrestling reversals and stuff. And, you know, Joe Rogan a lot of these people have done a great job of explaining the sport to people so they can understand it. Pat militants. There you go. That's who it is blood that military, one of the original people to like actually form together, mixed martial arts really crazy. The guy that wrote this book when he goes to Pat militants Jim, I. In iowa. It could be butchering some of this, but when he goes to his Jim, they invite him into the ring this, hey, get in the ring and the guys like okay this is just a journalist, not, not a fight or anything, and, like we're going to break your nose, and he's like, what? Oh shit. He's like, yeah. He's like, that's you know you're in my gym. So we're going to do. We're gonna break knows he's like, nah, man. Like, I Don I don't want my nose broken, like we don't care what you want, you want to write about the sport, you need to know about the sport pretty much everyone in here in here has been clocked in a nose or had their nose broken is like that's we're going to do, and I don't remember the outcome of it. I think the guy just got out of the ring, and they let him off the hook. But I would've crap myself. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna we're gonna break your face. But as you need to experience this shit. Yeah, thanks, Ashley for pointing out the, the author of that one. The listener on the livestream hooked up. Nice. Yeah. But, you know the thing about, like setting up goals in terms of what of your fitness journey is and the cool thing about powerlifting is this. It's I think that it's one. Of the more healthy ways in terms of competition, and in terms of getting yourself towards your your, your physical goal to have a goal to compete because when somebody thinks about a been like protest in the past many times, where someone's like I want to get in shape, I wanna do a show. Right. But sometimes during the show isn't actually, like, getting stage lean or doing a show isn't really about healthy and a lot of times, you'll see first time competitors rebound and they rebound hard like they'll get lean they'll, they'll get in shape. And then when they start getting all that weight back that gain a lot of fat back. But when you do powerlifting, you can get leaner and get you can get stronger over time. And then it'll give you a goal in terms of I have to use competition. It'll, it'll give you something to drive yourself towards, you know, that's why think powerlifting is kind of special in that case because yet, even if you're not always competing against somebody else, or sometimes you are competing at someone of your weight class. It's a really great form of fitness to get yourself in shape and have a competitive goal, even ju jitsu can fall. And with that, too, because, you know, you're doing all this cardio work. It is former resistance training because you're working against an opponent. But you know you can spark one hundred percent because your opponent isn't going to punch you one hundred percent they're going to like, you know, choke. You can tap, they're going to pull you in an arm bar. You can tap you can do all this at a hundred percent and be perfectly safe and even at competition. It's, it's relatively it's relatively safe as a as a form of fitness. So a Mike it out of there. You might be kinda sore. Yeah, but chances are you're not gonna break something. Yeah. Yeah. You should should should be okay ish, right? Yeah. And you know, it's interesting with powerlifting how, you know, you're, you're mentioning, like health and power thing. They seem like almost polar opposites from from where I came from, you know, if anybody's watched the west side versus the world movie, you know, you have a good sense of like the way power to the used to be, and there's a lot of unhealthy practices in a lot of overuse of P. E Bs and a lot of over eating and just not just poor nutrition. Poor sleep. It's just a general lack of knowledge on what those other things with those other aspects of your life lifestyle can do for you. When you step foot on the platform, you know, sleeping better and eating better, and just living better, and being just cleaner with everything could really help. And there's been guys who have practice it. There's, there's been guys who've done it and done it at a high level were able to get away from the sport. And still be healthy, but a lot of them were, you know, just kind of overdoing it, but the you're you're one hundred percent correct. Powerlifting can be done very healthy. And Furthermore, you can I mean there's, there's so many different ways to train, but you can go in the gym, and you can do you can train very slowly. Right. You can do tempo work. You can do five by five with tempo, work and improve for a competition. What other sport, can you train slowly for you can't really train slowly for tennis? Or golf or jujitsu. I mean I'm sure like in jujitsu we have got drills and you got certain things like we're going to gre- like we're going fifty percent. We're going slow Mark. Now, you're you still messing up do not. It's this way and, and we're going to walk through it, slowly. Right. And then we're going to go through faster paces, but in powerlifting, you, you can kind of there's so many different variations of how you can lift the style of lifting that you can do you can do speed stuff, and you can really, you know, sometimes wear out your joints really quickly or you can choose to go a slower route, or you can see there's so many different options. But I think when we had James FitzGerald on the podcast either day, we're kind of talking about trying to how do we ride that line, you know, between we need to push really far and we obviously need to push far enough so that we learn where to hold back on. Because if you never push far enough, you'll never even learn where you're limited, so you do have to go to a limit or at least scratch your get close to it. But in my. Opinion. And I and I actually have never done this, because I'm not smart enough. And I love to like just go nuts. You can do a lot of five by five stuff, you can do a lot of four sets of six, and in sets of three and even sets of one that are done at an expression, while have done this before you can do heavy singles that are expressed in a way where someone goes, holy crap dude, that looked really easy, and you're like, yeah. That's my opener. My second attempt in the meat, and they're like, really why you should use a lot more weight. But that's powerlifting can be done that way. Not only can it be done that way. It should be done that way. Yeah. The lot of people already doing it that, like, that's just sub max nowadays, your sound more nowadays. Yeah. Like you can gain a lot of like you can gain strength actually forever with sub maximal training, without always having to touch your max but mistake that even I made was like touching heavy singles, get to sue excited I feel great seven plates. You know, so it's, it's, it's really you can I. You know why you wouldn't be able to do powerlifting a healthy way. How do you control that with your clients, do they, they probably get real probably get real ANSI, and you're like, look man? I, I know there's sounds weird, but we're not gonna go over four hundred pounds and you're gonna pull five fifty and you're like, you know, and maybe they do go a little a little heavier I for one lift at one particular time. And they're like oh, you know, but the assistance exercises, it's it's how you're doing the dead lifts. It's also maybe you're having them doing, you know, sumo dead lifts with a, a slight pause as they lift the weight up off the ground, right? Yes. There's like this pasta loose. There's that list control the Centrex. But the big thing is that when I program for literally everybody, I program with percentages. But I also use RPI you know, at our pis- radius exertion. So I don't like so you have to gauges, basically engaged eighty percent. But I also wanna know what did that eighty percent feel like did it feel like a seven eight nine or ten I wanted to feel like a seven if it's feeling like a nine we got a. Overload. Exactly. So, like, for example, it could be like a five or four by five eighty percent. And I want that to be at RPI eight every single sense rate of perceived exertion. Right. Right. That means you have about two reps, maybe three rep left in the tank, if they get to their first set of what I programmed. And they're like, oh, God. This was a ten than just lower the load by ten or fifteen pounds. So it's at that RPI like all expected to be what I put into percentages. But if it's not follow the RPM, lower the load or if you feeling really good. And it was below the RPI increase the load above what I gave you. But that's why I don't like pure RPI training, especially for like new athletes, because like there's going to be a guy it's gonna put weight on his back, and they'll sweat, they're like, oh, this was a six, but who's, like, you know, that was a ten that means you can't do anymore. You gotta stop there. And that's just a really easy way of gauging yourself each day, if you know if you do a load, let's say your typical deadlocked, maxes four hundred fifty four hundred. Fifty pounds. Right. But you do four thirty on the day, and it feels like a ton of bricks just lower the load a little bit. It's okay. You're just not feeling it on that day. And that's how you continue to make sure that your training, Samak's me because certain days, you can really push it and certain days, you've just got back off. But the tendency of like every athlete is to wanna push it hard every single day. Oh, how'd that feel it felt great Mark, how that lasts lift hill? Folk great like, well, it looked like you're going to die, you, turn purple and black. And like we were all very concerned about you, and you look like your diet couple times, knees shaking that's normal for your needs to shake what, so since when since only on, I'm just working really hard, bro. Yeah. You don't know but yeah, the happened this morning, I had a weight. We were doing floor presses and I just like every well say every I don't know, I'm pretty stupid, so but I do very big brick mistake, and I jumped too much, and I'm like, no. I did find it marks like that needs to go down to, like, okay, my bad. It's ego. Check man. Sometimes like sometime just got a lower whatever you're doing. Yeah. Into his point. You know he did. So he went up to two twenty five he did to twenty five for three reps, which versus which is great because he recently. He's knocked out at two twenty five on regular bench for a set of three which is a huge PR, congratulations on that and gains taking them. I guess we're gonna get into Sarma getting here in a second. Yeah. Yeah. So people are following than than. Yeah. They know so far. It's been successful because that was actually when I started the whole thing that was one of the big goal. Yeah. I mean twenty five because in my opinion I I've hit it hit it. Like probably two three times period, and then so did 'em. He should give us a speech. Start out thanking your mom and dad. I, I mean, yeah, I guess I thank the academy and executive producer and. Yeah. Yeah. Can't forget about the writers and all that. But no, so I had said like, if I can rip to twenty five in my opinion, repping would be at least three triple because I like a double would be a double triple console. We call triple, but you know so but yeah I had just hit that. So huge spoiler alert, but. Yeah successful. Not gonna spoil how much you weigh though we're going to keep that related. Yes, I'm he weighs seven hundred pounds. The series right now. Yeah. So he anyway he so he hit this way. I mean he he did. He did to lift, and he could've done another set baby. Could even at a little bit of weight. Like it looked like you had a little bit little little left in the tank there. But no, it makes more sense. Like, hey, let's let's go down. And let's do this the right way. It's a floor press and you're supposed to kind of, you know, drop the triceps onto the ground. Hold it for a half, second or so impressive backup. So let's you know, let's always make sure we're doing the exercises the right way. Same thing with when you're dead lifting, you know, your coach if they just send out eighty five percent to you and your eighty five percent is a totally different perception of what the coach might have in mind. Maybe you don't have video of it, or, or maybe do have video of it, and some videos, not always an accurate account of how shaky and how shitty your lift actually looked felt and if you don't really if not really analyzing the lift, then it's really going to be tough to make progress because the lift in my opinion, you're lift should be done pretty much. For the large majority of the time, let's say you're training for sixteen weeks for competition out of the sixteen weeks. How many lifts should be broken? Maybe like two or three like you. You might have a Misra to, you might miss a rap because he went into the set like two quick or could be technique flaw. There could be a lot of things. But how many lifts should you miss? How many lifts should do with a rounded back? I mean, I, I would pile them all up and say, like I would allow you about five you know, and I really do I would not like to see those five happen. But like, I'm going to give you like a mulligan on, like a do over, you know I give you those five he got a little wiggle room, and obviously with a newer lifter if somebody's new, and they haven't really done a five by five and a squat with two twenty-five ever before they might not be used to the pace, they might, so, you know, someone who's new or might have more room for error. But for the most part, it's like man, we don't want a lot of broken lifts. We, we don't. And it's it just takes. Time and patience towards that. I think if you're near lifter, it's really good to just have the outlook of first off yet at wanna fail. Any of my lifts, but also don't rush yourself and that's really hard to say because you see so many people that are so strong. But if you just give yourself just the time to get stronger handle this, that there's times where it will be uncomfortable. But for the most part where like you're not shaking your form and breaking down your reform looks good on every single rep in every single set, you'll be able to make progress consistently over time is just that doesn't sound exciting now. It's not sexy. It's it's not at all. No. And I think for me the, the floor presses I just have I haven't done them so long. So my last set was last at bat set, but it was definitely like everything was on point at by then. Unfortunately, it just took me like five sets to get there because just not used to it Andrew, and I are also talking today about diet, you know, and again, we're talking about, you know, changing goals, shifting gears. And try and try something different. So you might have a goal to get to certain body weight. You know, I want wanna way this body weight. Well, you start to get towards that body weight. And now you, you always want to think of an exit strategy, you know, it's, it's very similar to business. You know, what's, what's your business going to look like in five years? Where are you going to be in five years? Something that I you know, teach a lot of people, I, I get a lot of messages from people that are upset depressed. They're pissed off at themselves that they're not making the progress that they want. They feel like they can't figure it out. They feel very stuck. And what I always say to people is, like, let's, let's first of all, let's, let's take take a deep breath here for a second. Let's slow things down for a second. And let's look at where you were like two years ago, you know, are you further ahead or further behind if you're further ahead than where you were two years ago, then congratulations, you should give yourself a Pat on the back. That's great because we can continue that trend. And we can. Continue and maybe your progress has been slow and maybe we can figure out ways to speeding up if you've been going backwards, if you ended up, you know, drinking and ended up getting in real depression, and ended up gaining weight and you went backwards. Let's just identify that. And let's not kick ourselves. Why we're down. Let's just say, hey, look man. I messed up I made mistakes. I'm not happy. I'm not proud about it. Let's file it away. And let's figure out what are some things that can kind of get us back on track? And then you have to start to kind of a line, you know, some of your habits and some of your thoughts towards some of your goals, we talked earlier, about Michael her, and being able to block out some of that negative. And you want to start to think about what am I? So what I'm currently doing if I can if we can agree upon the fact that you're not happy because you're not any further ahead than you were two years ago, or your even further behind the were two years ago, then we can both agree upon the fact that it sounds like the current things that you're doing and working on are not working well for you. This is not working, you're in a bad relationship. You're, you're have a bad relationship with food. You're drinking too much. Whatever the thing is, there's something there, something's blocking something stopping. You could even just be your own negative thoughts about yourself or could be your job. Could be literally anything could be your parents could, you know there's a lot of things that kind of cock block us from getting getting getting what we want. Right. And so then we start to agree, and we started hat now have a conversation. Okay. Well, let's try to change some things. Let's, let's set a goal. And then you start to set a goal and it's like goals can be a real trap, because if we get Andrew to rep to twenty five and you thinks he's to mountain top with two twenty five for reps. Right. It's like well now he needs to change as goals he needs to start to kind of focus in on something else, so Andrews trying to achieve a certain body weight than we talked about, you know how he can kind of tighten things up as well. Gave them some recommendations. And now he's going to try to follow that path for a little while. But the entire time that you've been lifting with me and, and doing some stuff, even on your own over the last what year has been. Yeah. I mean it's about every every month every two months we were kind of reintroducing or or, or bringing in. Something totally new diet wise, right? Yeah. Yeah. Because what Marquette told me essentially early on was like, okay, you're you're getting some momentum. You're getting some compliments like dude. Whoa. What's what's going on here? He's like when those start fading away will will tweak it. And that's what we've been doing over the past year. And I mean recently, it's been like, well what the hell you doing? But, you know, so, yeah, it's been I mean we've gone through so many different types of diets to not just like one thing or the other, it would carnivore we did, you know, vertical little bit little bit more, like high carb high protein, bodybuilder type diets. I mean I have my favorites and but, like Mark knows I also get really tired of food too. So he's like you're looking a little sad. Let's change it up. So you know that it's really huge benefit for me to be here. Yeah, you know, outside the there's this client that I had that message me the other day he we just started. And he's trying to drop weight and his first week, he dropped to pounds. He said, I only dropped two pounds. And I think he's someone on the. Podcast mentioned something like that. And the other day too, and I just laughed, because it's like when you're looking at that, and it's like you have this goal this big old like losing this amount of weight or gaining this amount of muscle regaining this amount of strength. You know, even if you're inching forward, slowly, it's never good enough. I think a Tony Robbins. I don't know if it was originally from him but I I heard this quote from him like last week, a lot of people overestimate what they can do in a year and underestimate what they can do and ten you know so this hypothetical person that you're talking about like that. That's great. That's a great quote seriously. It is. Because like if we think about so many people that are wanting to lose weight, and let's say they're there, I what eight months they dropped. Let's say it's only fifteen pounds dropped fifteen pounds. You know, that's fifteen pounds light of any were like earlier this year. That's a big win might not be as much as you wanted. But it still a lot now we can just keep improving. I think you know, we do want to have these mini goals, but if we don't hit those goals, but we still got close. And we are still. There. That's a massive win like that is an insane win. And we don't really I don't think even myself. Sometimes I don't give myself credit for some of the small wins. I may have because it's not where I wanna be. But it's still better than I was before, you know, so, like you're much stronger than you were before. Like did you think you'd be the strong at this point right now last year? No. Yeah, I said it in video that has yet to surface. But I will definitely hit all these milestones with or without psalms, however, being able to do it like in such a short time like whoa, like, yeah, that's been huge. You know, also to, like, just picture. We'll get into this arms a little bit here. Just just picture of somebody gave you a pill. Right. And said these pills are gonna make you bigger and along with these pills making it bigger and stronger. I'd like you to start to, you know, really concentrate on that throughout the rest of everything. You're doing your training your, your sleep. I want you to take everything take the pill but. Also take the pill that makes you make the right decision. You know along with it. You know, swallow that too. Right. Yeah. And it's like well that that's so the psalms clearly they're doing something. I mean we I Tony huge. I think he had a lot of great information on the podcast. The ladyboys was was one of my favorite parts of it, actually. But no, he had a lot of great information shared a lot of things, I believe they're fairly factual, I believe I believe these things do work. I believe they do they do have a reaction in the body, I do. The do believe they can make you stronger. I do believe they can help you gain some weight, you know, and help you live some more weight, and I'm, I'm, I'm seeing that from you. But I don't think it's just that I think I think you're probably getting fifty percent from them. And you're probably getting the other fifty percent from your effort in from your lifestyle in from being, you know, being adapted to a lot of these things for almost close to a year. You now have the mindset you're, you're no longer the scrawny kid that, that may be felt. Counted out or or counted yourself out. Even now, you're like no. You know what I can do this, I lifted Mark all the time, and, and even if Mark isn't here, I can do that, too. I think that was a huge progression for you too. Yeah. You know, lifting with me, I think helped you but being having me kind of teach you on, like, hey, look, you know, even if I'm not here, you need to make sure that you're not taking these jumps because you're gonna get hurt. You're gonna get jacked up and then even when he went off on your own. You're, you're awesome with it in New York, consistent with it, and you knew like, hey, I can't be messing around and you were even antsy about it. You're like man. These guys worked out, too. Slow. I mean tell me about that. I thought that was great. Yeah. So the funny thing is I was I was talking to Mark about, like, like, man, I don't know, these warm ups, there's really long, and like the way the setup is like we have to have like eighteen guys on one bench. And it's like it's like you know fifteen hours later. All right. Cool second-set? And, you know, I laid out all these excuses, and he's just like, well, the answer is four AM. I'll see you tomorrow. I got nothing. You're right. But yeah, no like so today, we, we benched with Tom and Jay and old me would have looked at them like, well, Tom's been training longtime Jay's bigger so they're, they're gonna bench more than me. I'm going to have to pull away off the bars. In his my turn. I ended up matching on one of this one of the accessory movements, but ended up matching everything they did, and then even hit more reps. Yeah. And that's just because I'm like, I know I got this like, there's no question about it like I want. To do more. But, you know, luckily marks there'd be like, all right. And let's move on. But he's, he's totally right like training with him. Like literally training like it was training. You know, I had my training wheels with Mark. And then when he let me out on, on my own there were days where, you know, smoke he's like, no, you need to go up, and, like, okay smoke is telling me to go up. I, I need to stop. Yeah. You know what I'm curious if you can think back, right? Think back to a month two months before you started. You know, the psalms started this arms was your habit. In terms of, you know, consistent food intake, working out was it as on point as it is now. No, no. And that that's been like a heavy heavy thing in the comments. Right. They're just like, oh, well, you know, now that you're, you're, you're doing all this, you're going to train way harder, you're gonna, you know, everything's gonna be like intensified. I'm like, or is that a word intensified? Yet is now. It is now. And I'm like, well, yeah, we'll know shit. I mean, I've never had is on me ever. You think I'm just going to sit here and like, all right. We're gonna take psalms and go on the couch and see if they work like so. No so, but answer your question. Nothing was terrible. I made sure I got eight hours of sleep. I always put my food and I trained almost every single day. So, but the difference is I won't like today Mark said we were done. I went to the G H D machine. Jason's guitar. Sounds good sauce, fitters. Call it a GED. Yeah. Yeah. So I went to that thing masters. I confused. I don't know what the hell is blue ham race. It's JJ. What is dick? Yeah. Who who put the D in glue ham, raise went on that thing. Yeah. After we were done because I wanted to work my ads and side hit three sets there. And I come back and marks picked up some dumbbells. Yeah, let's keep going. Yeah. And so we worked out, more test stuff and hip showing me how to pose ill and flex, which was really cool. And I'm going to try to keep doing that every day now to getting kind of it was getting a little weird to work out and get lie. Yes, ticket shirts off in front of the mirror, and rare with each other. Well, yeah. So he he's his shirts. Always off so pretty cool, but he's like here come over here. You know put your hands together and flexible. And like you know what? I've got a little confidence right now. I'm going to pull my shirt every go, so yeah. And somebody walked in was like, oh, all right. Cool. Audience. Yeah. He what you have trouble flex in your right arm. Was it yet? My right, bicep my left one I can get the peek really good and it's my off arm. And then, so my stronger arm. I just have a hard time like getting that nice peak. Don't yes, I just gotta show them. How to kinda squeeze a dumbbell flex with dumbbell took the dumbbell away from and then you can kinda able to still hold a peak on them. Yeah. And then the technical to flex that up is, there's a lot of fun. Remember, the first time I saw that in TV's hit was Terry crews do. I think I was like fifteen I was like can I they're not having when I was able to get a little bit of a movement there? I think I was like seventeen I'll say. Passer up in Friday after next, I, I don't know which one, I remember I saw Terry crews. You know, making his peck stance and that in itself is motivating. Yeah. Shoot. You know, it's an interesting thing that we don't start there. It's an interesting. They we don't start with flexing, because it's like you would figure like a let's say you're going to be you wanted to be spinner. You figure that someone to teach you how to flex like your calves hamstrings, but now you just run. You don't you don't learn like I'm not saying like you need to be doing this huge like bodybuilding course or anything. But I think some bodybuilding would be great for everybody, and even just the flexing and posing of it sounds so strange. But learning how to just flex your left bicep learning how to just flex. You're right. Pack learning how to flex not just your quad. But to take the individual muscles that are in the quad, you got four big muscles in they're trying to figure out how to make each one kind of move around. Yeah. Figure that's where we'd start with their training. But we don't you know when I was working with Andrew today. I was like, you know, you'd figure that this would be the first thing that we would go over. But. It ends up being kind of the last. Yeah. I'm most sore from that, like five minutes of posing, the nam the whole workout. That's the I don't know. Why would there's still somewhat of a differentiation between? I mean, I get y but powerlifting and bodybuilding you know what I mean? Because powerlift as powerlifter you should be doing all these movements to activate all of these different muscle groups, you, you should be doing that, that should be part of your training. There's gonna be some times where that's going to be lower volume. When you're getting closer to a competition but outside a competition, you should be working all these different muscle groups, you should be knowing how to activate them. You should they should be getting bigger. It doesn't make sense. Why there's still a oh, that's bodybuilding training now. That's fucking. That's that's powerlifting. It should just be part of powerlifting. It's, it's odd. I think sometimes when it comes to, like, general fitness and when it comes to powerlifting, you know, maybe kind of people are thinking, like I don't really have the muscle to like flex to really see the difference, you know, in so maybe that maybe that's why they don't work on some of those things. But you're starting to see it more. You're starting to see more and more. And, you know where it needs to show up more to is, you know, I think again, like general fitness, there's a lot of machines and things like that in the gym, but they're still not enough people that understand, like, when I run into somebody, and they're like, in their sixties, and they lift like we when we had Dr Davis here. Remember how the doctor Davis, the former cardiologists. Anyway, he wrote some. He wrote some really good books and stuff like that. We had him on the show, and he was fantastic. But he was like in his sixties and he lifted. But he had a very simple routine. He's like I go through some of the machines in the gym, he's like an I do set to ten. He's like I get a pump. I get a lot of blood and there he goes off might finish off with some barbells stuff or some dumbbells or something like that. He goes, but it's pretty much the same. You know, similar workout each time, and I was just like I was like you know what? Man, that's great. You're doing like resistance training, and you're flexing, the muscles, and your you're getting blood into the muscles of Mike. I think you know, in general fitness, you don't really hear that much about people kind of diving into some of that I'm talking about, like, there's a lot of women that do like yoga and Pilates, and maybe they get into, you know, healthier eating and stuff. But they're not getting into kind of the, the muscle building side of it, which I think is really important and yoga can provide us own resistance, and so can Pilates. But I don't think there's anything that can really match. Just go in the gym and getting some good resistance training in there. Still for some woman, clean my girlfriend. There's still some fear like getting really big. Yeah. Still some fear of putting on too much muscle even though that. It's not going to happen. You're going to have healthier joints. You're gonna have an easier time moving around. You're not gonna feel as much pain. You're just gonna feel better altogether. That just should be a part of what people do on a daily basis, just kind of the stigma that you're gonna get to, to yoked. I did a met con yesterday by the way, awful trying to get all shape. What's going on here? I did. Well, I just asked Khalifah to kind of throw me throw one out to me, and he did. He gave me it was like up downs. I'm sorry. It was a push press followed by trying to do him strict for ten fifteen reps. And it whenever you start to break down the new drop down and do ten up down, which is basically and up downs. Basically just does like a squat thrust. I guess you'd say or a burpee without the jump. You know, the problem is, like, can't really do a squat thrust moment is. I can't like just put my hands on the ground while my feet are on the ground, and then kick my feet back, and then kick my feet back underneath me. You know, you should be able to like do that. You be to have the mobility and the strength to do that. But I just have to like drop down in like push myself, I pushed my whole body weight back up. Yeah. Like I snap back up, which works out to be pretty fast timing wise. It's pretty good, but not very efficient for your, you know, for for how how I was doing in the workout. So I let us ninety five pounds for the overhead press. I suck it barbell overhead presses. So I do the overhead press and I go through a set of like fifteen I was like, oh, wow, gay that felt really felt insanely light like this, this might this might not be that bad. I do one set of the up down the ninety five pounds feels like two twenty five then right away right away. It just felt like somebody put bans on it or change on or something coli recovery needs work. Oh my God needs a lot of women. And so what's, what's amazing is like what I felt. You know, my wind felt pretty good. My chest and stuff. My breathing felt good. But I was still trying to pace myself. So I'm like, I don't ever do any of this. So I was just trying to recover, whatever we I could. But my, my muscles were like blown up like they just they just I couldn't like I couldn't go any further. So I had to stop a few times, and weight. And I did this did this thing for a progression of four rounds. And then at timed it and I ended up doing it like six minutes or something, which something like that, for a good athletes by take like three minutes. So I was just like oh man, that's pretty crappy, and then my rep started going down, I started only being able to do six of each one, but. You know, I just I take that kind of thing, as like this is the starting point. I, I have never I have never done that particular workout amount of cross workouts for me has been really low having done. Many of them. So I was like, and I've done some of them were I can do actually pretty good, some of the stuff that Jason's prescribed in the past, you know, I was able to get through them pretty good. But I was like, well, this is clearly a weakness is something I could I could work on and really benefit from. And then today when we were benching I was like, man, my shoulders are fried and I was like, oh, shit. Was that Dan met idea yesterday? You know, it's great that you're actually six minutes. So by the way, just six minute workout, that's awesome. You know, you're doing something, you're not good at, in terms of lifting, like you're not just sticking to a bench of squatter, a deadly after some of these other movements drew doing a segment of movements that you're not good at, and you're looking at progress at that. And a lot of people after we get a handle on what we what we like, and what we're good at. We don't step out of that. Stay there forever. You just stay stagnant in that you don't you don't progress an. The other direction than just getting a little bit better at these specific things over time. So that's huge. That's it to the I know, I know, and we're still we're still getting to that. We're still getting the of still working on that process. But I didn't wanna talk about it anymore 'cause I'm not making it happen yet. So we'll move on the next. So what was it like over over the pond? It was amazing. Yeah. Travelling overseas was really cool. It's always, it's always awesome to anytime. I get a chance to travel with my wife and hang out with her wouldn't bring the kids on this trip. So that was a lot of fun. You know, the it what's, what's so much fun. With her is like is, is the progression of. The relationship but the progression of, of where we are we are, we are financially and how we can really just feel good about it. Just makes you feel good. You know there's no other way to really put it. But we talked a lot about how happy we used to be like, even just to go out period like just to go out to eat, period. We were pumped and we were like, but, you know we did it like once every other week or maybe even once a month, because, like we just didn't have the money to do that kind of thing. Plus, we lived in Los Angeles, things a little bit more expensive, and we were like, yeah, it's a little harder to get around in Los Angeles stuff, traffic wise and things like that. And we disapprove it so much that we're able to go out, you know, differently, and we still have a certain like, neither one of us grew up, rich or anything. So we, we still have a certain flavor in a certain taste for certain things. And so sometimes we end up at like these really y. Wild over the top restaurants. And we're like we're laughing about it. This is like way to sway over kill. We don't even know what we're ordering, you know, we don't even know what we're getting, you know, getting some weird thing, that's like duck fat from, you know, from some exclusive place and wherever the hell they're flying it in front or whatever. But it's fun. You know, it's just it's just fun, and we've been together. It's going to be nineteen years of marriage in August. And it's more fun to hang out with her now than it's ever been. So it's, it's, you know, I think because the kids are older, you know that, that helps a lot, there's still stresses with the children, obviously all the time. That's just part of being a parent. It's part of having attached to your hip forever, but it's different it's different when they're really young. And they don't you know they're not listening to you, or they're, they're off, like breaking something or whatever, you know, this more frustrating those time so from that perspective, it was really good. And then from a business perspective, it was great to I got to go to body power. The body power expo is one of the bigger Expos. They have over there. It was in Birmingham. During shit to do in Birmingham. So we stayed in. We stayed in London. Birmingham is like it's kind of like industrial almost as gray. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah, the well that's pretty much. Yeah. All of England's just rains all the time pretty much. Another funny thing, too, was how hard it was to understand everybody. You mean like just the accents, because as speaking English right? Yeah. The accents were thick, but a lot of Scottish people there. And a lot of Irish people there as well. And you know, good luck trying to understand them. Holy shit. Is it hard? And, and like someone's blaring music across from us. You know, some douchebag company. Just like super tight shirts, or whatever, and they just blast in blast and music the whole time. And I, I couldn't really hear anybody. So I'm like I feel like such an idiot all I'm doing is like nodding, my head and smiling, the whole time. I can't a lot of times, I can't hear what the hell anybody's saying, and I'm like, is it getting old that I can't hear? Or is it just literally I cannot understand what they're saying? You know, but the pitch of, of a lot of their voices doesn't have a lot of base in it from what I've noticed for most of the people, I talked to their and the accent kind of combination. I wasn't able to always pick up what everybody was saying, but I it's amazing to, you know, meet these people and this kid, right here he was competing. And so I'm signing the shirt that he's about to wear to sick to go do his lift, but it, you know, each person kind of has their own story, and it's funny because the people come up and they'll, they'll apologize. You're like, oh man, I feel bad but I'm taking up so much of your time. And there's all these people waiting in line. I'm like, no, this is your time, you know, I don't care if we talk for ninety minutes fuck everybody else. Like you got here you happen to be in line. And and and we're talking now. And so just over. Well-meaning too. You know, I I don't really use that word very often, but to to go to this booth and like turn the corner. And it says, Mark Bell slingshot and salt, you know, and it's this is a different company. This is our vendor. Yeah. In the UK, and they have things set up really nicely and they're all super excited and super proud of the of the company and, and what they're doing. And it was just it was just great. And they, they, they did a lot of work. They did a lot of work, letting people know that I was going to be there and all that kind of stuff. And so what happened on the? So Saturday is kind of the big day Friday is like more of an industry day where like more, the other companies are, are, are in there rather than like fans and stuff. And so on the second day, I was supposed to stay there until one it got to be about twelve twelve thirty or so. And I was like, man, I, you know, I've gone through this line in this huge line and it's like never ending. And I you know, I got here, you know, right. When it started and stuff. And so I was just like fizzling out. It's never good to talk to fans when you're not like in the right MO, right? Frame mind, you know, you don't wanna be grumpy. And so I was like, I'm going to say by it, everybody, and I'm gonna get out of here, and so my wife and I we took off and you know, as we're as we're exiting, we run to this kid who's, like rounding the corner and kids like hustling, you know, he's like running, and he's like, he's like sweating and stuff. And he's like out of breath. And he's he was wearing headphones. He put the headphones down, and he started like he couldn't. Even talk. He tried to talk, and he started like crying right away. Oh, and I mean, here's this big old kid sizes guy. You know, he's like massive. Yeah. He's huge. He's like probably twenty one or something like that. Jeez. He starts talking and kind of, you know, sharing his story with me, and Andy, and it just got emotional and anti started crying. He just said, how inspired he was. He listened to the podcast all the time. He sees all the content that we put out. He's been falling along since, you know these seen bigger stronger faster. He's watched all the stuff we've done with Brian Shaw, had cone, and all that stuff. And he just he just said, hey, you knows how to huge impact, and he said, I want you to really know that what you're doing is working. He's like I hear that you always say you wanna make the world a better place to lift these like you're doing it. And I was like holy shit. I'm trying not to cry. Because he's an grand. So I'm about ready to start going to. But I just thought it was, so cool, it was, it was so awesome to run into him in that way. I mean, I'm about ready to go on a train to go back to our to go on a train to basically, go to Paris, so like I'm out of there out of there. Yeah. And if I stayed at the booth I wouldn't have run into him because he wouldn't have made it because he would have been like, in the back of the line, I still would have left anyway. So I just thought like man, that's just a cool twist of fate. You know. And so I posted this he post he posted something up on me. And then I, I went to post something up and I actually took down the post originally, because I was like I wanted to add something to this post tonight, then I just kind of thought about a little bit more. I'm like, yeah. You know what I'm gonna invite this kid out here. I'm gonna fly him out here super training. And so that's what we're doing. Replying them out from the UK to super training. It's crazy. What's his name names? Like, rob a pla-. Yeah. Yeah. I remember I saw for all he does like acting or something. Yeah. Seems like a funny dude. He's a he's a huge kid crazy into some strongman stuff, and some powerlifting and stuff like that. And thought doesn't make him look like a baby because I've still authorities the next shot. And they make me look like a child. Yeah. So this is a big dudes. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah. Yeah. Wasn't looks small. No, it's insane. But Mark, I was actually in a wondering, because massive have have you ever done episode with Andy here or no like y'all? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We've done maybe one episode to episode two I in say man, it's like I mean, obviously know what you guys been able to build together, but it'd be so interesting, especially I think men and women in relationships would love to know like how you guys built like a shared vision to where you are now because you're, you're over there. You know you do this thing you have dinner shared vision. It's my vision. But still, it's just like it's, it's super inspiring. Yeah. You guys have been together for a long time. Right. It's not like he hasn't been together for a long time. You have a great family. You're over here having dinner in France and doing all this stuff molded business there has to be so much complexities there in the an understanding in terms of just your dynamic to make it all work. It's it'd be really cool to hear and understand, but yeah, we should bring her back on the show for sure. Yeah. We there's, there's definitely a lot. There's a lot to talk about. And the cool thing is, is that, you know, for the most part, she is, like I guess, the protector of the brand, and she is a protector of me. So, like, whenever I you know, I, I run into all kinds of different situations where I might have opportunity to do something. And you know before I can even finish my sentence. She was always just like no not doing that. And, you know, like sometimes it's something I might really want to do or. You know, I'm. You know, I I don't know. I, I like to. I don't like to say no. Yeah, I don't really like I don't really like to say. No, and so, you know, I I I'll go to her, and ask her an and I'll say, Well, I- persons, seemed pretty cool. I don't know. You don't know. You know. So she's kind of reductive. Yeah, she's protective of all that stuff. And then she's also, you know, she's also going to be the one that's thinking of the finances, you know, she'll think of she'll think of some resistance, and some finances, not, like that's where her mind goes right away, like automatically to block everything. But if I like, for example, what the new space that we get I want to build out a studio in there where we could do all, I'll explain some other time where we can do all kinds of cool stuff. Yeah. And so she's all for it, you know, and then she just processes it. And then the next day, she's like we need to talk about it further because we need kind of think about, you know, what, how crazy do you want to set up to be. And what is it gonna look like, and how much are we going to put into it? And how and what can we get out of it? She's always kind of thinking of a lot of that stuff lot like checks and balances pros and cons, her Bain thing is like how does this help? How does this hurt? You know, we've, we've been working in here on a on a new slingshot, and the new slingshot allows you to handle a lot more weight, but it doesn't look like we're gonna make it for the masses because I'm like the. What this could do from a negative perspective at far outweighs the positive I did not want people to get hurt. You know I the product is designed to avoid injury. The products designed to allow you to train through injury. And as you start to make something more and more, powerful even the mad dog. Slingshot can be fairly dangerous to somebody who's not advanced. This product is so strong that it's going to pull your elbows in, I've seen people snap, their arms in, in bench shirts before because the men shirt, pulls her elbows in some my worry is that, you know, somebody like me would order it and be like, oh, yeah. I'm gonna use it. But then I share it with my buddy when we're working out and then he's like I don't want people to get hurt. So she's like, she she's quick to, to make the call. You know. So I'll say, you know, I just it just doesn't feel rain Bouma away. She's like, Nope. No reason to make it. Okay. Next thing you know, she's like onto the next thing, and, and I have, like emotional tach. Moment to stuff because I hear I was like working on this thing for a while, you know. And so she's able just to kind of compartmentalize it and be like not money for us. So let's not do it. Yeah. When we were talking a couple months ago about having regular regular like scheduled seminars here at training, you know, like okay like this weekend or not this weekend. But a couple of weeks from now, we're going to have one for squats, I think, right? Like a squat seminar. Yep. So like specific things. And so I told Andy like in the group meeting like we should do business one you should be one of the main hosts and she likes kind of laughed it off. But like I was being totally serious that she thought that could have been like a joke. But unlike I don't know I think maybe more can like kind of put that, you know, in her head or something, it'd be like, gave people actually interested in this should I, I know you having having her, and Mark together, like talking business would be huge. Yeah. People people really do need to hear from more women when it comes to kind of stuff, I believe. Average for more people in general, but like when I went to that leadership thing down in San Diego. There was. There was a few women that spoke and the perspective from the other side was great like they were actually like two or my favorite speakers. I think there was maybe another woman or two in there. But two of my favorite speakers were both women, you know, and it's, it's just a different perspective. They just have a different point of view and. Amazing to that. I think in both cases I think both women have kids, too, so I'm like, how did they meant like I mean you don't you don't dislike you don't just like have a kid, you know, like it's as big process of being pregnant, and then, you know, there's there's, there's a long period of time where you're that you and that kid are, are pretty attached, especially as a mom. So I'm like, how the hell did they figure some of that out? But yeah, I think I think there's a lot of women that could gain more from hearing from more women. I think the same thing with fitness. Same thing with training like a lot of times, the men are the quote unquote experts, and there's not, there's not enough, material expert women, and we're starting to see more. So have you that's the good news? They're starting to be more people like Steph Cohen, who are out there like teaching people, and hopefully, hopefully continue, see more because it's always it's harder to relate, sometimes the opposite sex. And so hopefully, we'll see more of that. Yeah. I think who's come into. Or who do we? Tomorrow. We talked about that or now. Oh, we're talking tomorrow. We're talking to make squats make squats, Jan didn't want to. Yeah, it won't be live. So it might not get posted tomorrow bit. That's fine. Yeah. June eighth were having a seminar here, and it was originally supposed to be a squat seminar. But it say it's the first this is our first second Saturday this our first second Saturday seminar. We're going to do several of them throughout the year and this one has none other than Charles glass, which I'm so. Ooh. Yeah. So excited to have him here. He's the godfather of bodybuilding himself. He's going to be instructing the seminar, he's gonna be instructing the some of y'all better get. Well, I know who's going to be able to come, but I'm going to be at that one sein- we might be able to save a spot for you will see. Okay as you can be June eighth. It's here at super training gym, and it's from twelve pm to two pm pro L prior run long as I have a tendency to talk and Charles talks pretty fast. So I don't know you know from his. Point of view how, how long he'll talk if you want. More information on just go to the super training, gym Instagram. And you can see some information on it. They I don't know how you sign up or anything. But yeah. Come check it out. They're going to enjoy it if people want to go, they'll figure it out the fake. They'll out out but yeah, I'd love to have Andy on the show again. So we'll, we'll bring her in here yet enough. Oh, yeah. I think on recent podcasts someone had asked you about kids are possibly having more kids. I think it was FitzGerald, but you guys kind of had a new addition to the family, right? Yeah. We haven't talked about popped out a dog. What's that been like and so small, by the way have cute, like? Yeah. So Quinn has been like Jake is always liked dogs and he's always wanted one. I'm pretty uncomfortable with animals. So I, I was like cool with him. Not having one, you know, is, you know, Clinton was way too scared of them. And she was like, deathly afraid of them. You know she just I don't know. She always thought they were going to do something to her. I used to have to pick her up all the time when she was little, and we'd walk down the street. And there'd be a dog didn't matter how cute or bigger smaller whatever the thing was, she was always terrified. You know. And so it was never really an option. Never really conversation within Quin started getting used to some of her friends dogs and stuff like that. I'll there she is. There's a hazy. So Quinn started getting used to some, some of her friends dog stuff like. Stuff like the dog is ridiculous. It's so it's so silly. It's insane. And so Andy started kind of looking into these Dick's, call the tea Cup multi-faith, right? So she showing me this Instagram clips of these tea Cup Maltese as she goes, look who follows this look who falls, this teacup, Maltese, and sure enough. It's the natty professor. That's so hilarious. Awesome. So she showed me all these pictures of these dogs and stuff. And then it was like a week or two later. She's like, here's our dog. And I was like I was like, what do you mean? She's like, well, this is the one that we're going to get. And I was like, well, how do you get it like in? Where's the come from? And she's like they come comes from China. I'm gonna understand us if you know. You know, is it going to is it going to speak Chinese, you know, but yeah, so the dog it came it came from came from China, and we've had the dog for almost two months now. And the crazy thing is, is, you know, it wasn't like I mean, it's, it's I guess it's still like a puppy, but it wasn't like a tiny tiny puppy, like in the pictures. It was like a little little bit bigger. But it's still tiny thing only weighs like four or five pounds so that it's really, really little. But the strength increase from the first day that we had it till now and how quick, it is. And it's insane. Because like I was like, oh, it's kind of cool like, you know, if I if I want to have the dog on the couch with me, I can. But the dog can't jump up on the couch. And sure enough, like a month later there, she is up on the phone jumping on the couch, how much bigger she gonna get? Oh, that's it? Yes. Crazy. She's right about there. I mean, I you know, I imagine maybe gain a pound or something. But honestly, it's the funniest thing. Sing you and this tiny little dog, you would not expect that, but it's cue works. It's a cute little sucker, you know, and it it's just like a normal dog. I didn't know how it would be I thought it would be like, I don't know. I just assumed because it's so small that maybe it wouldn't be as smart as a regular. Maybe didn't have the same size brain or something. But I thought maybe it'd be like, more like a cat or something. But I mean it's a regular dog, you come in the house, and it comes flying up. Yeah. But, you know, you're almost tripping over it all the time, because it's always hovering around your feet, and then she has these a burst of energy you know, kind of throughout the day where she wants like attack your and all kinds of crazy shit like that. Got to ask you why do animals make you uncomfortable. And like is, is there like a story to that, or they just like you just, you know, now there's not a not a particular story? I just I don't know. I just always like I always been kind of uneasy around them, and then once you're on. If you're on easy around dog, especially kind of a bigger dog wants to just play with you. They like sense it, and they like they, they wanna play with you even more or something. I think maybe they want to show you, like, hey, another worry about, but they want like jump on. You know. So I'm always like, I don't know about. I don't know what the hell that thing's going to do to me. Okay. Just probably irrational fear almost nine never gotten like bit or like kicking horse or anything like that. You know, I mean, I think it's, it's normal, I've heard of it before, you know, 'cause it's like people, you know, they just like a when was the last time you actually had a conversation with the dog that said it wasn't gonna bite you like you can't control it. But at the same time, it's like chill out. Man. Dogs are great. I love pups but at the dogs out. I was gonna say, oh my God. I need it. I need to learn about this. Yeah. So why is that while I was in? In europe. And while I was at the body power expo last year. A guy worked on me, he's a a physio he does physical therapy stuff. And so he, he, he worked on, I think my elbow or something, you know, and this year when I went I was actually hoping I'd run into him again because I'm like, man. My neck hurts. I don't know what the hell is doing when I'm sleeping or whatever. But my neck was killing me. So I was like, hoping that I'd run into him. So. There's kind of some dead time it was just dead time during their in the expo. And sure enough the guy comes out of nowhere, and there he is, you know, and I was like, oh, sick, you know, and he's like, hey, you wanna get worked on. It was like, yeah, actually I'm vailable now, if you want, you know, if you want to do something, and he's like, sure he's like, I'll take you with me. So I told the some of the people that were at the slingshot booth. I said, why don't you guys come with me? And one guy his name is Chris fellows. He worked he works for them. And he does filming and, and tiger free for them and stuff like that. And he's been a huge fan. And he's, you know, he's all in on the company and everything. And so he was he was he was excited to be filming and everything's actually getting married the next day and him and his wife. They tell me they're like, hey, no. You know, we can only be here for today because we wanted to be here tomorrow. But, you know, we're, we're getting married, and I was like, well, well, you sound like you're bomb that you're getting married, but he should be to be totally bummed. You're getting married. Trying like. Let me down easy. I was like, hey, you know, that's that's awesome. Again married. But anyway, I had them come with me to kind of film, and get some pictures and stuff, but I also wanted them to kind of experience. What was about to happen because I knew we were going back stage in last year. On a back went backstage, there was some other, you know, celebrity like influencers famous people if you will, like Microsoft and Simeon panda and stuff like that. And so I went into this green room and sure enough, turn the corner, and there's fil heath, and there's Dana Lynne Bailey, and there's raw Bailey and a few others back there as well. And so I get worked on. Here's Phil heath. I get so. Frigging pied, CA so jacked, he's fired up to he's fired up if he cops back on stage this year I think he'll be really hard to beat pretty pretty excited. Yeah there. Yeah, there's brabin Dane Lynn. And so, you know, I get worked on for a little while. And we get some shots of that. And then I just ended up talking to Robin Dana, Lynne, and Phil heath kind of in a in a circle. And, you know, my friends that I brought in their ear to ear spile and the entire time. They they're huge fans of fitness. Yeah. They just couldn't believe that they were there. They were so pumped. And I'm talking to Dana Lynne about she. She got robbed rob DOE in her stomach from doing across fit workout from doing sit ups an robs you know, making fun of me about my small, dick truck. My giant truck that I got and he's like a way to kill the environment. I small dick tra- you know, we're just all giving each other shit just talking trash Phil heath is talking about, like, Silla cyb, and mushrooms and all kinds of crazy stuff, because because he lives in Colorado. And they, you know, we're just but what, what, what my friends, you know, thought about that whole thing they were really blown away because they were like you guys are just sitting there just having, like regular conversation. You know, he's like, I don't know what I thought you know would happen if people like that we're talking, but he's like a gave me some insight that it's like always like, regular people. I guess, you know, so he thought it was really cool. But as rob is making me making fun of my truck. You know, we so once once one dick story gets without than more dick stories to come. Right. And so, I mentioned horse, cock, I mentioned, you know, how we talked about this guy horse, cock on our podcast before. When Scott meddlesome was on the podcast. I said, I used to go to the gym LA lifting club. And I I'm Scott, I know that used to train, Emily, what was the deal with the guy with the horse, cock? He's like he just added enormous cost. I thought he had something wrong with him. Well, he would he had wrong with him as he had a giant dick with his probably not a wrong thing and poem, the have. Yeah. You're right. Right. I mean it looked like a. He he's wearing cargo shorts which I don't know how your dick shows through on cargo shorts Pragati ass. Cargo shorts camouflage cargo shorts. I remember it specifically. And it looked like what are those canisters called everyone's walking around with, like the water things that people put the hydro flask, hydro flat? Yeah, it looks like a hydro flask hanging out shorts, and he kept asking me and my brother. If he wanted to spa advance from, like, nah. No. I it was super nice to. But we're like we're good. Do like we know we don't want anything to do ago waving over your face. Yeah. And Mendelssohn was saying, Mendelssohn was saying, it was so ridiculous that, like everybody used to make him like show people all the time. He's like, hey, like they would joke with the guy, the guy would compete at two seventy five and like you just have somebody hold onto that thing, you'll be in a to forty two week class. So I'm talking about this horse cock, fellow to fill heath, and Robin Dana land, and everyone's laughing and we're all having a good time and stuff. Then fill is like he goes, man. He goes, I've seen some shit and bodybuilding man. He's like his wild. He goes one year. He goes this guy he goes, he came out. He goes, and he goes, he climbed sitting there and I, he goes, I'm just trying to I'm just trying to like, I'm trying to pay attention to like other things, and I'm trying to block it out, but he his trunks are not fitting, they're not they don't they don't fit in the front. He's like you know what I mean? Like they're not it's doesn't work. He's like he's got something giant wants to call. And he's like you could almost see all his stuff and he goes, and I have seen him at competition before. And I know that he goes out there and like knowledge he posed. But he like dances. And then he started showing me, Phil, I'm gonna like, do this. I'm gonna do that, and he starts doing splits and stuff and fill is like, I'm just like trying to look him in the face. And I'm like good bromance. Look good. He goes for the next five years. He goes this guy proceeds to do this. He goes on stage. And he gets out there to who let the dogs out in dance and says, azoff with his shit flopping around everywhere. Oh, god. This guessing this. Yeah, this is this is some, some shots some shots at this guy. So once he told he told me the guy's name and stuff, and then, so I ended up up looking it up, and then I sent it to lamb. I sent it to fill and fill was he was laughing so hard. And I was like, yeah, man. Now I can't stop watching videos at this time. Now forever stuck. You know, he looks like a kind of guy who just be like just let it hang out. But God, he said he said some of these guys I guess it may be helped with the pump or something like that. Some of these guys will take like Silas, or something like that, before they go onstage to get like their muscles to pump more or something like that. He goes. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He's, he's going all in and he goes. I love the boots. If you're not watching this on YouTube, you're really missing out. This is a well, choreographed posing routine. I think this guy's name is Jesse. Ferguson. I is the as the body will who let the dogs out who, who. So I told Phil, I said, hey, if I ever if you're ever about to go on stage and I hear who let the dogs out on note, it's over for you, right? The. Good. Oh, what is this guy still competing doing the pay? We can only hope I've right? He's just hoping I'm hoping that you get back into it, and we see this at a show. Well, I was I've been so inspired by these moves that the next time I compete. I'm going to steal some of these. This is suspect, though, because I'm trying my hardest knots. Look at his dick your eyes on. Yeah. It has its own gravitational. That's probably just like man bodybuilding is Chris, so Phil heath the best part about it. He said he's just sitting there shaking his head. And we're, we're all like dying laughing, you know and he goes. Because you know what? I can never figure out. He goes, I don't know. He's still handsome. This is who let the dogs out when finally comes on now. He's really going nuts. But wait, there's I love how he just ran to the other side of the stage like show. Everybody else. Like, hey. He's barely flick. Yeah. Yeah. As he flexes the whole time. Oh, feel heat. This like dude. He's like, if I was judging panel. He's like, I would have just passed him through just give him his pro cards. Keep seeing the same routine over here like, oh my God. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. So good to be BC right there. Oh my gosh. Hey, there's, there's no other way to go. You gotta get that big black coffee in there. Yeah. Oh man. Dude. You're, you're welcome, everybody. Yeah. Yup, god. I just feel so confused with myself, I don't, I don't want to go home and tell us go. I think it's over. I got feelings for somebody else. Who's gonna go look this guy up. Oh man. That's that's too much for me, buddy. You got you know, we got a we got a snap you back into reality. Here you got worlds coming up. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Do have worlds coming up. That's may thirty-first. Yeah. Tickets and all that stuff is all good to go. And I'm just gonna keep training until it happens. Jason's probably going to be competing there chats going to be competing there. So I'm just going to be focusing on my first match. And ideally, ideally, I can roll with him again. You could bones Jones the guy like can you can you steal some of his powers and then like beat him at his own game. I remember. That's what he said he did to Daniel Cormet, and I was like, man, that's cold. But that's is what he did. He did have Daniel Cormet up against his cage, the whole time took them down. Yeah. Took them down. Yeah, yeah, that's wild like to have that mindset like that. He's just a freak knob. You're talking about bones Jones, the other day, and like it's just crazy. How how I guess just can control. He seems every time he steps into the ring and then you. Are also mentioning how he just like goes with how he feels Akil just maybe come out from certain practices, because he knows. He shouldn't do it, and he knows how to pace himself, you know, a thing I'm getting a better hang of that. Now, like I used to just like when it comes to training and jujitsu I should just go as much as I could. But now I'm like on days when I'm feeling like I need it back off a little bit. I'm getting better at learning how to back off and I guess feel feel how I should be training for competition. So are you curious to see if any of the other sorry is it super, heavy ultra ultra heavies, if any of them start pulling guard now that, that's nine I worried about it. And I'm I'm not worried about somebody pulling guard on me. I'm gonna pull guard regardless, but even if they do then I'll just work on passing around me. I'll I'll just pass. But most the guys don't pull garden. They go for take nounce. So with that being said, I'm you know, I'm, I'm have a decent guard at this point where I'm confident that it's going to be very difficult for anyone to pass. Once I. Nice. So, yeah, man. I'm nervous. But that's always a good sign. I know of put in an I'm continuing to put in all the training that I can all the training that I should just gotta go show it when it comes game day. Do you have it, sometimes just like just out of the blue just nerve just Bom? They just dump on you added. No, do you have that. Sometimes. Not, not like on a rush because I think about it so much. Like, I'll go I'll, I'll go into like the sauna or whatever afterwards. And I'll just like sit there for thirty minutes. And I'll just think about the match and think about those guys, I'm competing against. And since I've been doing that type of stuff at that, like, yeah, I am nervous still, but it doesn't it's not something that I guess shocks me, you know, I'm I'm, I'm ready for one about to go into lease. I, I hope I am bump Ricciardi from about Goto Anna. Like, what are some of the things you're what is some of things you're envisioning? Are you kind of walking yourself through the whole thing or you walking yourself like walking into the building? And then you I'd imagine it's tournament style of multiple matches and you're trying to envision all that China envision moves or the exact well moves pretty much envisioned my game because I've, I've been to the Walter pyramid in my first year at world. So I know what I know what that all looks like. I know what the day's gonna look like, but I pretty much envisioned the things I'm going. Do against my phone. It's like that. There's a specific type of game that I play of a lot of different transitions in certain positions. And I just imagined doing that against those guys like I know how big this individualism compared to me. So I know how that feels and Chad. Hopefully I gets compete against chats. That'd be fun. But I just envisioned what I'm going to do against these individuals with my game and I just go over it over and over again. And the cool thing is that like some of the things that I think about when I go into training with my training partners. There are a few big guys that I roll with, and I'll, I'll do the exact things that I was thinking about on the mats when I train, and that in itself is a confidence boost B is now just like it's continuing to cement that technique and it works really. Well, like we've, we we've talked about visualization before visualizing game day in terms of powerlifting. You know, the weights that you're going to be moving the way you're gonna movement move it cetera. And it really does make a big difference. But it has to be in congruence with, you know, training. You know, you gotta get that training into so I'm been putting in what I need to put in and we'll we'll get in there on game day as anything changed in your training sense. Your last competition kind of prepping for this or, or has there been any, you know, did you recognize any particular weakness in the last, the last matchstick had and or has just been some other just weaknesses that you've been working on or anything, particular changed about your training changed about it? While I mean when the pinky thing happened, the main thing that I do is I do a guard that requires grip here, and in training, I've had to take these two fingers together. So this fingers, left, alone, some kind of gripping with these fingers. So I haven't been using a lot of mice my main game during the past like the initial few weeks of this injury because I couldn't grip well with this, but after the after a few weeks, where it's gotten better like I feel. My grip with these three fingers has gotten better be as now. I've been playing my main game just with these three fingers, and it's been going, well, some still training, the way or I'm still improving upon what I was doing in terms of the game. But I'm adding a few things in and once I'm able to take this off, I think I should be able to take the world's comes they will be feel like it'll be like, taken off a castor of restraint, you know, it's just on my pinky, but it makes a big difference. So you have just been improving upon what I've been doing in terms of my guard, consistently drilling that working with bigger opponents. And I don't I don't take breaks on on sparring sessions. That's a big thing like we'll have seven or eight sparring sessions and you can rest between but I just don't take breaks 'cause I want my cardio to be where it is or needs to be when tournament day comes to, and I'm confident that also so cool and will anything change with your lifting, you know, as you get closer like we take a week off of lifting or just a couple of days or how will that work among gonna take like a week offer. Anything I'm still going to come in and get. Some sort of training just won't be as intense. So it'll be like you know, I'll still do some big movements, but it just won't be as heavy but I still wanna get blood flowing. And you know, muscles moving I don't think it's necessary to have to take take off of lifting altogether. It doesn't make that big of a difference in terms of recovery. If anything, it's just going to help me feel better when I do have to compete. So now I'm going to stop, but I will lighten up some of my loads and the training session will be a little bit easier than it usually is. And you say it was like in Long Beach, or something like that. So, yeah. Long Beach, Long Beach jam then is your girlfriend going with you, or you have teammates going with you or something like that. Now she's going to be here going to be going on my own. So, yeah. Battle something be going on my own hail. Yeah. What about your coach or anybody like that? Anybody from the gym? No, I don't I don't know anyone else who's competing at worlds this year. There were I think there were a few guys competed last year. But no one, no one's going to be competing this year in blue belt or any other belts of than me. I think so. Yes. Yeah. Just gonna I'm gonna lone wolf it buck man will have to go down and see him. Do I was just saying? I mean, if he can give me down there, all film. Cover the whole thing. Yeah, we'll see. We'll talk about that. But you see. Well, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's awesome. I'm super excited for him. And I think it's cool. Me too me too brutal to jitsu brutal. Yeah, I mean, I don't think we've talked about your pinky on the podcast. What what's going on with that? I'll try to shove it up his button. It didn't work out that happened. Luckily, did work out what actually happened that night was, I was rolling with somebody and the tendon tore in here. So there's a picture on my Instagram of like, the, the pinky stuck in this position. It's called mallet finger it used to be that if I took the soft, the pinky would revert back, and it would bend and I couldn't bend it back. But now it's staying where it is. So now I can like bend a little. Yeah, I can bend it a little bit. And it's not going back, and it's it should be fully healed by slots to keep the song when I wrote for now and yeah, there it is it was literally stuck in that position. I try to lift it up and it wouldn't lift up. So yeah, it's a little painful right now. But it'll, it'll be where it needs to be when I compete. So. How's your body weight, Ben because it does look like you're getting leaner, but you're staying similar bodyweight? Yeah, man. It's on right now. I got my ducks a scan gun. And apparently, I'm some point eight percent and I would not expect it to be in the single digits ninety three percent full of shit. I wouldn't have expected to be this lean and this heavy like this one, the last time I was close to this lean was when I was getting ready for my bodybuilding show, and I did get leaner than I am now. But I was much lighter. So that in itself is a show that, you know, even like since then I've managed to put on a good amount of muscle, but I'm also maintaining that muscle while being lean and performing really well they met forty or something right? I'm too, I would just weighed myself before he was to forty seven point eight oh damn. Yeah. To forty seven point eight. So as I wrote on your Instagram, like, don't lose too much weight. Yeah. I'm really not trying to get let myself get underneath to forty a mock gonna get underneath to forty there's no reason for that. But I am really happy 'cause like one of my big goals was to be able to maintain a, you know, a lean physique, be strong and be able to perform at the way, I want to perform, you know because when I use this lean in the past, I felt tired and sluggish my libido was tanked. Everything was bad. But I feel perfectly healthy right now. And I think it's I. I think the fasting stuff has a lot to do with it. You know, there's, there's no research on it, but it really does make a difference for me personally. So, yeah, it's doing well. Well, I think the fasting, you know, we've talked about it many times on the podcast. But I think the fasting has just kept you closer to cleaner, food's, not that you're eating garbage before. But you mentioned each snack and some things like that. So some garbage. Eating some garbage. Yeah. And like I mean I I'd imagine on probably at Andrew I kind of pushed his thumbs together almost air at the bottom. Yeah. Yeah. Wh- where what are you talking about? Just when you were doing the chats front. Oh, poser. Yeah. I think like right now if I were sea biceps he brought the forearm to the bicep. Yeah. I didn't I I'm just I'm kinda surprised still, you know, and it's just going to continue to improve as time goes by. But again, like I mentioned this in the past, it's I'm really just like happy and fortunate that I've had the opportunity to be able to obviously go into bodybuilding train here in terms of powerlifting and figure out a way to balance it with jujitsu. You know, you gotta do these without shorts next time without shorts on just like do it like that guy. See ferguson. Yep. Yeah. The freezing really short trunks. Some wide shoulders dude. You're off the team again for fibbing at encima hanging out. Are we spell all that insieme young? And Asya may I N Y A and g link in the description SCO from there. He used to be the daddy professor, but something happened gotten. So we're gonna have a special edition on Armegeddon where he lost followers once he beat once he stopped being the now. Seriously like my folly starts to go down after I changed. But it's okay, like I I've gone, a lot of DMZ people like are you not natty anymore? Like, no, I just changed. My name, I Instagram names. My actual name show me for this picture. You look like Dexter Jackson, right there, by the way. That's all photo losin. I don't look that way in real life. I didn't Photoshop it. I just took the image. But yeah but it's like at an angle. It's one. I when I took, and I'm like you look like a street fighter character. It was like a Kuma just go nuts on somebody do scenery there. But, you know, the funny thing about, like social media rules, you'll see it everywhere if you have natty in your name on social media, you're not natty. But what everybody says. Yeah. Let me because you're painting a target on your back. Exactly. That's, that's why changed my name is, I'm like, okay. I don't want everybody to dislike, you know, only think about that. I want them to just take in the concert and learn something from it so much change my name's my name. Yeah. But it's also the I mean, if I put the natty whatever, yeah. People will just going to think like, oh he's. Just upset that everyone is bigger than him when you do it, there's, like, well, clearly he's on clearly he's on. And he's trying to scream and act like he's not. So I just change. It's my name, so I can let go the drama. You know, happy changed it, though. Because I two it just seemed like it was bugging you for a little bit is just I, I don't want people to focus on the natty nece, the even though. Yeah. But, like I don't want you to folk oh you are. Go to go to Dexter Jackson's Instagram. You gotta see this picture of him. You know what's funny? It's my, my Olympia. Oh, eight or miss. I'm sorry, Mr. Olympia, elite, right, Mr. Olympia. Oh, eight. This is a I g. He's a Seattle left with the Pat on. Still still go debt down more to left. Listen. Yup. The extra Jackson's insane. Look at how fuck, yes. Yeah. Well, look at the like the bicep Brady Alice. What's in between the bicep tricep this guy, right here? Yeah, that's awesome. The development is just insane. And he's like forty eight I'm pretty sure he may might be older than that. Yeah. He he's, the, he's always the listen house. Listen. How funny this is. So I'm in Paris, and with my wife or in, like this lounge ripe and I check out this picture at Dexter Jackson. I just go look like he's so jacked and I show my wife and I go fuck, I wish I was black, and I swear, I swear to God before I was done with my sentence. She goes. Yeah. I know. I was like. I'm gonna say. Actually set myself up with that. Should've seen her face. She was so happy. She was like, yeah. Yeah. I was like, oh, man. Just like v drink. Oh fuck. I wish I was black. Oh man. Oh, look at his forearm. Looks like they're Heasley implanted a baby in his love that he's just chilling. That's, that's a cool thing is like he's probably just I don't know. He's he just always looks like that. He does. We've got to have him on the podcast. Yeah. He'd be down. Goodness. Yes. I hope he'd be. But he's mean heat like he's another one of those individuals like, oh, whatever he's on or whatever. But he's been lifting for such a long time. Like he's still. He's still been at it. He looks great. It doesn't seem like he gets hurt. You know. Oh man. Just like these pictures at golden, the, the people that we like either had on the podcast is recognized kind of funny out on just weird. Everyone should add bodybuilding into training. That's he's your Stu it. Yeah. That's one takeaway from today's podcast for sure. And we're gonna have Charles glass on the podcast coming up soon. I'm super excited about that tomorrow will be make squats, even though it might not fall in line chronologically, or whatever. But we're out of here strength is never weakness week, this never strength. Catch you guys later.

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Saturday School EP. 1 - Why Did Mark Choose Powerlifting?

Mark Bell's Power Project

19:07 min | 4 months ago

Saturday School EP. 1 - Why Did Mark Choose Powerlifting?

"So it's Okay. If this row rambles on for a few minutes. Got It so in my head for Saturday school. I was thinking you know we shout out. Perfect Kito shot up on tees. Explain kind of what it is going to the first question. Let that run. And then we'll just go right into the the following questions. And then imagine a a lifting question now gets turned into a a really good lifting video for The Super Training Gym Channel Right Cool. Right next question could be about something in regards to motivation. Then it's a motivational video. You know good be roll good music and that goes on Mark Smelly Bell and then this whole thing can just stay on the The power project as is because audience. You know the already watching the podcast. So they may be. Don't necessarily need the bells and whistles of a polished video. So I don't know you know. I think I think all those ideas are excellent and we can just kind of We can think about it afterwards. Because sometimes hindsight makes it a little easier to see what we're talking about and maybe we do to these. Maybe do it this week and next week and give it a minute to you know to process it a little bit. Just make sure we don't record too much so that We're not too much crop. GonNa go through but the way that I was kind of envisioning it. Is it like yeah. It's like It's kind of like a seven minute. Clip five minute clips. Something simple something. Easy and we Record multiple so that way you and I are Kinda doubling down. You know we spend spend one hour together on a Saturday and we create Content that people will listen to not only once but to listen to it multiple times because it will provide value to them. I like the ideas of utilizing it for different formats. And I've talked to you about this idea before I talked to soper about it before we've done it before but I really love the idea of using images just a still photo like a photo or four two or three really just one is probably enough though but just a cool photo and having that just be like on I. G. and maybe even on Youtube like it's it's kind of different for you to But that's Okay. You know having things that are a little different. I think I think are kind of cool so I mean picture you know. We're talking about motivation inspiration. How to not hit that snooze button and there's a picture of me with the sledgehammer you know waylon down on the thing or there's a cool shot that you got me dead lifting st or some. You know something along those lines so I think all those things it'd be interesting to explore but to keep it to keep it simple Let's start out with trying to have a five to seven seven minute Question and and or up questions but I will do my best to try to keep it short and anytime that I you know. Run out of something to say. I'll just stop. And if you have a follow up question and We'll go for it and we'll just we'll start start and stop each one. We can mention the ADS each time. I think that's probably is probably the best way to do it. And that if we think about it later like that kind of sucked than we always could always revert and change things up. But Yeah Andrew trying something new trying something different. We got rid of Our Cancer Aka natty professor. We had to fire him now. That's not true all we we love Encima but Andrew Nye we want to just try to provide something extra for you guys. Andrew came up with the idea of calmness Saturday school. So welcome the first episode and some of what you just heard right there. Is this Andrew. Nice talking it over. I thought that you might find that interesting. That we're like making it up on the fly and this is an interactive podcast. And we do. Listen to your comment. So if you're listening to this on wherever you're listening to this to please comment back to us. If you WanNa comment on our instagram you can check out. Mark Bells Power Power Project You could check that out and you can comment over there or you can comment in the comments below. If you're checking out on on Youtube wherever you can stick a comment stick a comment and we will get to it. If you want to slide into Andrews Air Goes Deums he is at I M Andrews E. I am Andruzzi on instagram. He's answering as many questions as he possibly can. You can also go to mark bells power project and throw some questions and those DM's It's hard for me to get to everything On my actual instagram. But I do try my best on there so just like wherever you see this like. Please let us know if there's something in particular that you want to see you wanna start firing out questions. Say Hey this Saturday. School put Saturday school and quotes. Put IT in caps. We'll see it maybe. Hashtag it do whatever you can. They get our attention and A. We will put your question in for Saturday school and we'll do our best to get to it but let us know if you if you dig this format. This is cool. We were just had the idea of like doing these five. Seven minute clips. So that way. You don't always have to watch all three hours of what we got going on with every single podcast that we do although we want you to listen to watch that too yeah guys. We're super easily accessible at Mark Bells Power Project on INSTAGRAM AT M. Be Power Project on. Tiktok and twitter all the twitter. You know. We're not utilizing utilizing it enough. But how easy is it to at MB? Power Project? Saturday hashtag Saturday school. And then just go on with your question and then you know this is super easy way to get in touch with us but especially ask your Get your question answered by Mark Bell. You know we have some really cool opportunities expos and stuff to meet people and you know these lines are insane and people are waiting hours and hours and hours to ask mark one question or two Some are good. Some are not as good as others. But here's your opportunity to do it whenever the heck you want and without further do I'd like to jump off with my first question mark for good to go. Yeah let's do it all right. Mark with You know your recent Call it cross training. You know you've been doing really well. You had a stint in bodybuilding which he did really. Well you want your for your first competition What was it about powerlifting? That just made you gravitate more towards that than any other type of fitness. What made me gravitate towards Powerlifting from the jump from the get-go in a galaxy far far away and many many many moons ago fitness USA be lumped in as one thing didn't have all these different categories the gym. I trained in Poughkeepsie. New York shot out mid Hudson bodybuilding. You can already get a visual of what that place looks like it. Kind of looks like Doreen. Yates dungeon that you see like videos of but Everyone had the same goal and the goal for the people that were in my area. I'm not sure why they just wanted to be big. They just they wanted to be like big as faulk. They wanted to be jacked they. That was the goal of Mike Charles. Mad Dog Mike Bell. That was the goal of everybody in the area. And I don't know how to do with like that. Everyone wanted to play football. Some people did some wrestling. But we're all fans of pro wrestling but I really gravitated towards that at a young age. You know being my brother my oldest brother Mike. Being my hero growing up he was about six seven years older than me. And you know I just when you're young and you see what you know. Big Bro can do or your cousin or some older kid in the neighborhood. You're like you're so blown away by like. Oh my God. They're so strong. They're so huge there so this or so that and so I was always very envious of that and I was like how do I? How do I do that? And when I first started going to the gym I started seeing like what my brother's friends were doing lifting wise and just happened to be. They were spending their time bench pressing squatting dead lifting overhead presses back then it was kind of behind the neck presses like your people do that anymore and like Ben over rose and people still back then doing the things that you see today where somebody like. We'll grab the they'll use a machine will use a Like a t bar row or something like that and they'll grab the hand of grabbed the the part of the t borrow that. You put the plates on and they'll to a single arm row without like these guys. Were doing shit like that back then. 'cause I just WANNA add sickness and add mass to my back. They didn't really necessarily care about like you know doing pull ups not not that pull ups ineffective but everything they did. They just wanted to have heavyweight on there and heavy was like common place and it was very relative so I would seek is moving around six plates routinely. I'd see guys moving around seven plates routinely and there I was You know shaking shaking like a leaf on a tree Trying to lift two plates and three plates and and things like that and I you know they. They taught me to like as I was going. They taught me and like not such a nice way. You know they would see me do something and they'd be like what in the fuck was that and I'm like I was. I was like well. I guess that was my rendition of a dead lift. And they're like no no no you don't lift like I mean you don't have your background at over you. Don't slam both your knees together. You don't look like you're having a seizure in the middle of a dead lift dead lift. Should look like this and they would get in this pristine position and they would pick up an extra player to than when I was doing and he'd move it Perfectly so I saw a lot of that like bodybuilding powerlifting. It was all kind of mangled into one thing. Because even though these guys were into bodybuilding they weren't necessarily. I guess I left that out. They weren't necessarily competitive powerlifters but they understood the value of being strong and they knew that the most bang for their buck was in the bench the squat and dead lift because those exercises lend themselves to allowing you to use the most amount of weight so I did some cross fit. Seminars Cross fit powerlifting certification courses for for cross for years ago through Louie Simmons and when I was doing that I'd go around the country and one of the first questions I would ask. Everybody is who here has lifted three hundred pounds and a bunch of hands. Go Up men and women as four hundred five hundred usually stop around five hundred six hundred pounds despite the criticism on cross fit. Cross-fitters are actually very strong especially given their body weight given the fact that most of them are natty and things of that nature and the responsible for so many other things but the point is when they would say you know five hundred pounds. That's okay the three guys that lifted five hundred pounds. Please come up here to the front of the room here and explain to us. What lift was it that you did the five hundred pounds in and I would say you know I'm not a? I'm not a betting man but I'm going to guess that it's it's not an overhead squat. I'm going to guess that it's not a push jerk. I'M GONNA guess that it's You know not in a in a An over you know front front squad or something like that and then I would say hey. You know what lift was and almost every single time dead. Lift you know and so again. The point is with. Powerlifting WITHDREW MITA powerlifting. What got me excited about it. Got Me fired up about is the fact that that's the those are the movements that lend themselves to allow you to use the most amount of weight and the. I draw the first memory. I have of seeing powerlifting without even really knowing it it later kind came out of my like sub-conscious as I started getting into powerlifting and started competing and stuff like that was I saw tedd are CD on. Wwf At the time bench. Press seven hundred pounds in an inner blast bench shirt and he only wore the bencher for sponsorship reasons. But I don't think he needed to venture I think he was bench and six eighty six ninety without it but he's the first guy to ever been seven hundred and Ted are. Cd never really went that route to to look like Ted are CD. Although that would have been cool he really slapped on like a lot of mass. I don't even know if I could even dream of or figure out how to be big like him. He just had like massive arms. Real real powerful powerful. Look but I always thought that that look. I always thought that was awesome. I always I always admired Just how how powerful he looked and I remember there were stat are CD and in WWF. There's also the warlord there was Hawking animal from the Road Warriors. I always appreciated that. There's a bunch of Wrestlers at the time had that powerful. Look Ivan. Ski was another one. The Polish Hammer. There was these guys that you know. They were As wide as they were tall you know they had that. Spongebob squarepants look to them. Really you know. And they just they had the look of like holy crap. I think that I can just like rip my arms off and whether they could or not. It didn't really matter to me. I just thought it was a cool look and so I was fascinated with it from a young age and then as I started to lift I started realize how challenging it was and something that still to this day has pulled towards the iron has me like even when I get back when we get back inside a super training gym. I'm going to be an idiot I'm going to be benching. Swatting dead lifting. I'm going to be doing one. Rep Max is like who am I kidding? You know this is true. Everybody knows this is true What draws me to it is how difficult it is to be good at all three and to keep all three up for long periods of time. Even for me to this day like I I would not even really a had a couple meets where I felt like. I was pretty good at powerlifting. But for you know as hard as I pushed it and for as far as people Maybe perceives me to go. I never felt like I was good at it because I never felt like I mastered it. I would hit a big bench. Benched eight fifty four squad thousand eighty and I pulled seven sixty six but that didn't all happen on one day and it was really rare for everything to come together on one day and part of the reason is the mechanical leverages involved in a bench. Press Squat and dead lift They're not very related to each other. They're very different. You know Olympic lifting is very is a is a beautiful sport as well and a hard sport but you only have two lifts that you need to worry about power. You've gotta worry about three and you might be gifted in a band. She might be gifted at dead lift. But then you're not gifted in squat. You might be amazing at the squat but then maybe you struggling deadly we see that a lot a lot of times people can really squat a ton and then they have a little bit of a hard time With the dead lifts the people I admire most and some of the The kings of powerlifting The King of powerlifting was add cone because he was so strong on all three. I don't think people understand how strong Ed Cohen was on a bench. Press because his bench numbers were were low in comparison to what you saw later on the bench shirts but ed cone could bench press. I think around five eighty five or five five raw and he only weighed two twenty He also dead. Lifted nine hundred pounds and the also squatted. I think he's squatted around nine. Hundred thousand just. A pair of KNEE WRAPS SQUATTED OVER THOUSAND POUNDS. And some power than gear. And so him guys like that guys like Stan efforting There's so many other legends. I'm leaving out of this picture but those are guys that I got close to that. I became friends with Stan you know he he Lined up his Or slapped a six hundred pound bench press dead center in the middle of eight hundred plus pound squad an eight hundred plus pound dead lift. And that's the mark of a real powerlifter in anybody that is getting into powerlifting. That's your job. Your job is to how a really good total Davick kick ass total and to try to figure out a way to always better your total even without getting. Pr's in a BAND SQUAT. And dead lift. You should be able to have kind of a quote unquote rough day and still get out of the building with a total PR. Because you're a well rounded lifter and you start to figure out the score and you start to understand the strategically Behind a pick and weights and stuff like that boom. Those awesome. Did some stuff that I never heard of. And that's what's great about. This is like you know. I'm just asking Gent like genuinely asking questions about you that I had never really you know. Learned over new of hand. So thanks for sharing that and Obviously just wrap this one up real quick cool awesome. Thank you everybody for taking out. Smellie's Saturday school. Maybe that has a good ring to it. Whatever the case Thank you again. For checking out today's episode Thank you Piemontese. Be For sponsoring this episode. Thank you perfect for. Always supporting us For more information on them please take out the youtube description and wherever links are be posted for this episode and Yeah Mark. Where can people find you at Mark Milley Bell on instagram twitter and Youtube Channel? That you want to check out so checkout all that good stuff you can also check out mark. Bell SLINGSHOT DOT COM. If you have any needs for throwing some stuff on for powerlifting. Protect your wrist. Protect your elbows. Protect your knees or even if you're just Kinda the casual lifter not a competitive lifter and you WanNa grab yourself a hip circle or slingshot you can over to mark. Bell SLINGSHOT DOT COM and. 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Trial & Error - Ep. 6

Business & Biceps

07:11 min | 7 months ago

Trial & Error - Ep. 6

"Yoyo daily fire episode six trial and error and like I say every week each episode of its trash. Turn it off if you got values. Share it out for me. It's brought to you by Max. Effort MUSCLE DOT com. Look you know. We got great supplements and Max Effort Muscle but we got some fresh joggers and gear out here to right here. Fresh to death with these CAMMO. Joggers ticket out at MAX's. Upper MUSCLE DOT com. And it's brought to you by the business network so you can take our business and biceps each week. Multiple Times a week on this channel also all trial and error man. When people hear this. I think it makes them scared. And I'm going to tell you why because the trial part means you don't know what the fuck is actually going to happen. The airport means you could actually fail. But guess what I'm GonNa tell. Y'All couple of stories. Right fitness guy. So I do a lot of trial and error with programming so six seven years ago. I had a terrible powerlifting meet. I went down to this meet Tennessee and I bombed out and when you if you know a bombed-out means when you miss all your squats you can't go any further in the meat. I came home and I typed in. What happens if I fucking squat every day? That was literally my Google Search. Swear to you right and as I started researching I thought to myself. Ou most guys have done this. Have all taken drugs. I don't take drugs. Most guys have done this or Olympic level athletes. Most guys have done this or this or that but most guys that have done. This didn't use a conjugate method four to one ratio. Front Squat toback squat. Most guys that had done this didn't have a G- that was raised up at the level of mine. Most people that have done. This actually hadn't done it at a level for a period of time without taking drugs to really prove it so all the naysayers came at me and at the end of the day I was like how can I push myself to be different motherfucker. I'll tell you what happened for three years. I squatted every day. I blew out all the. Pr's on squat and dead. Lift in front squat that I ever had a beat them all by like fifty pounds. Sixty pounds five forty at one. Eighty one five fifty at one ninety eight seven hundred in a suit at one ninety eight multiple times pulled five seventy five all the numbers that I ever wanted to meet from an elite total standpoint. But here's the key every motherfucker in Naysayer during the trial process. Told me IT'S NOT GONNA WORK G. You can't recover Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. We'll guess what if fucking worked. Not only did it work. I did it in my own way. And then when I released it out to the world. Which at that time was bodybuilding dot com. I shot a five day many movie about how to squad everyday and how to do it. Listen to me. Twenty eight million motherfuckers watched it in a month. Twenty eight million mother fuckers watched it and then it separated me from everyone else. Now that's the good part of the trial and error. The bad part I said well. Shit is works for squat should work for dead. Lift here we go. Let me try dead lift every day. Why not fucking worker squad? Well guess what it didn't work. You couldn't recover. I got hurt. It didn't feel right and I didn't really tell anybody because I was just trying and rock and roll and it just was what is what it is but what. I didn't do is mall over that it didn't work. You gotTa have a short term memory. Because I couldn't worry about all this didn't work but this one did work in that one separated me to an entirely different level. Same as the walking lunges. Gee what you can't you can't do a half mile walking lunges every day and recover okay. We'll the bodies a pretty amazing thing. I heard it adapts and it's one of the best machines that has been ever created in the world. I'm pretty sure so. Guess what I just fucking did it. Three hundred and three days half mile every day over one hundred fifty miles a lunges once again. Reach my got my pro card. In Natural Physique I went ahead continued to do. Powerlifting meets once again proved that at work not only proved that I work for me. Prove that a work for thousands and thousands and well over one hundred countries that are involved a Corgi fitness trial and error. I barely pull myself out of my truck day five but I still said I'm committed to this and I'm going to try it. Would you guys got to realize? Is that very few times. Are you going to be perfect at anything? But you can over analyze so much shit that you never do anything. The reason why. I'm wearing this socks. Today is not because I'm a white sox fan it's because I witnessed perfection one time now in major league baseball. This is the facts I was told. Trae for show. He wasn't aware of one hundred fifty fucking years. There's been over two hundred twenty thousand Games and there's twenty three recorded perfect games wall on a summer day in July of two thousand nine. I witnessed mark. Burley's perfect game on accident happened to be in Chicago. Went to the game realizing the seventh inning. Man I'm sitting like seven rose up and not glove snapping hard and now I realized this got a no hitter. Then I realized wait a second. This is a perfect game. I Google search and like how many of these actually happen to outs in the ninth inning. Oblast was hit the center field. Dewayne wise climbs the fucking the the wall and as he's catching the ball. He's falling backwards in. The ball falls out of glove hand. Any snacks it lettuce head to save the perfect game. It was unbelievably skill. The place went crazy but also a little bit of luck so my point is that perfection almost never happens but if you never try you never get a chance to see what the outcome can be so push yourself to do something effort but don't have something that you hold onto if it doesn't work it's next it's up didn't work next short term memory and you might have that chance when I push myself and I realized twenty eight million people watched that in a month. It's separated me forever episode six if it's trash turn it off if you've got value share it out for me brought to you by MAC separate muscle dot com and you're listening to the business. I'm biceps network amount. Appreciate Y'all thanks.

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How to Stay Motivated When You're Not Competing - Mark Smelly Bell

Mark Bell's Power Project

14:05 min | 7 months ago

How to Stay Motivated When You're Not Competing - Mark Smelly Bell

"What a podcast. Today we have an awesome clip for Mark. Bell where he's going to teach you how you can stay motivated even when you're not competing if you guys dig this clip. Make sure you hit them up on instagram at Mar smelly Bell and appreciate this advice speaking of appreciation. We really appreciate perfect for sponsoring this episode. You know we love the mcat oil powders electrolytes and pretty much. All of their kito bars head over to perfect dot com slash power project at checkout enter Promo Code Power Project. Ten for ten dollars off any order for any order of forty dollars or more or if your order reaches one hundred dollars use Code Power Project Bundle for twenty five dollars off out here in California today and I'm going to be talking to you today about. How can you be motivated for hitting the gym when you're not really competing in anything you're not doing a power to meet and you don't really feel like getting in tiny little underwear and stepping on a bodybuilding stage now? This can pertain to anyone. And everyone whether you've done a meet before or whether you stepped on stage before or whether you've never done any of it for it's very difficult to have a goal without a timeframe associated with it so one of the reasons why a lot of men and women jump into powerlifting or jump into bodybuilding or some sort of physique or figure competition is there like a July fourth. I got this competition coming up and I know that you know it's GonNa take twelve to sixteen weeks for me to prep for it. I'm going to be my absolute strongest or I'M GONNA be in my absolute best shape. I'M GONNA have my best conditioning for that time period and I'm going to put all the work I can into it. Let's talk about some other reasons on why that can be effective. There's other reasons on why it can be effective because you probably told some of your friends about it. Some of your friends might be even doing with you. You may have. You may have a coach. You don't want to let the coach down. You don't WanNa let family and friends down. It's kind of an accountability. You put yourself out there. And there's a social media factor if you announce hey I'm doing a competition on July fourth. Then everyone wants to know whether there's what are those results and everybody wants to know like what's going on with your training in the meantime as they're watching you like. Are you making progress or are you going backwards actually know a lot of people that actually have pulled out of competitions before because they're not doing that well and the pressure of Social Media? Kinda like starting to shove them down a little bit because they're starting to get really worried about. What's everyone going to say when I get on the stage so there's a lot of pros there's a lot of cons to it and it can be very difficult to figure out but if you don't have competition coming up you're not really sure what to do? Here's the way I like to look at it. Is that remember when you played some team sports? Hopefully you played team. Sports hopefully played some basketball. You on a wrestling team your on a swim team. You're on track and field football. Whatever it might be even though. Some of those sports are similar. To powerlifting bodybuilding strongman. And some of these things where there's like an. It's an individualistic sport within a sport itself like swimming But what's the commonality is that you're all swimmers right and the commonality here. Is that if you're training for a bodybuilding show. You're part of the bodybuilding community. And now you have a lot of other people that have a vested interest in what you're doing because they wanna Kinda of see how you're going to do high. You'RE GONNA turn out in this bodybuilding. Show her how are you going to do in this power thing and it feels like you're being pulled it feels like people are really pulling for you just like when you were a kid and you're on a football team on a basketball team or whatever. The case may be so if we're not competing. How do we get a similar feeling? You know if we're not going to compete and we'RE NOT GONNA put a time domain on this thing. How do we get a similar feeling? I would say in all honesty. I think it's very difficult to get the same exact feeling because you probably won't take yourself into as deep of water but one way that you can one way that you can do this in one way you you can really achieve good. Strong high level of intensity is to bring in some training partners. And if you never had a training partner and if you never had a team around you like. I have you do not know what you're missing the value of having some people around you is huge and I know that people are like well you know I don't have. I don't have anybody at my gym. Who wants to train like me? People DON'T WANNA lift heavy people. Don't WanNA bodybuild. I hear all the excuses all the time and the first of all the first thing you need to know is that the gym comes from Right. Here comes from right here and it comes from right here. It's what you make of it. Your local twenty four hour fitness your planet fitness or wherever? You're training It's really what you make of it right on another note. If the gym doesn't seem to suit what you have in here and what you have in here then you should try to find a different gym. Try to find something that's got a little bit more of an edge to it a little bit more of a kick to it a little bit of something that when you step foot in there for the day. It's a little bit inspirational. It's a little bit motivational. Remember what I've said about motivation in the past motivation is fleeting and motivation is not long lasting but habits can be motivation can be something that can that can die quickly. You can watch motivational video and be all pumped up at seven o'clock in the morning to head out to the gym but if you actually feel really tired by the time you eat your eggs in the morning you're you're now like you know what. Oh look that it's raining outside and actually looks pretty cold out there. Maybe I'll put on my sweatshirt and you go do all these things and you talk yourself out of going to the gym and you never go a lot of these things happen. It's very very common. But if you're lacking some motivation a great way to replace your motivation is two heads are going to be better than one. One person. That's fired up is going to be better than no person fired up so if you have two three four five people in a training group. One of those people are going to be excited about the day and one of those people hopefully won't be as tired as you are and they'll be able to kind of pick you up and they'll be able to get you going for the day they'll be able to help get a little pep in your step in your training. The intensity is going to be brought up through the roof. Especially when you have conversations with the people that you're working out with and when you say hey look man this summer like I know I said this last summer and I know it says the summer before but for this summer I really do. I really WANNA be in shape man like. Let's let's maybe both find a way to do it together. Let's both diet together. And let's both trainer asses off and then now you have somebody that you can do this journey with and you have somebody that you can you can train with and they're there and you're there and when you see them you know they're they don't need to ask you how it's going. They see how it's going they see you in a tank top and they're like the gate making any changes but I'm getting shredded over here. What's going on? I thought you wanted to. I thought you were serious. I thought you wanted to be in shape when you're training for a competition. Those things are kind of almost. It feels like they're forced upon you. 'cause you're like shit man? I don't have a whole lot of time. I only got five more weeks. I better really buckled down on my diet. I really bettle. Better buckle down. How much time on spending the gym? I better get my ass in gear here without without that without that actual competition you're going to have to create competition so create competition by trying to get a training partner. If you can't get a training partner with that tells me is that you're a loser. You have to figure out a way to make a friend or an ally in this case. You're going to have to find somebody your brother your cousin your nephew sister. Your uncle. Whoever it is that you can get into the gym to train with you and it doesn't always have to be that you trained directly with the person. I get a lot of energy from my brother. My brother has to fake hips. He's had arthroscopic knee surgery. He's in a lot of pain. We trained together all the time but I train right here. And he trained on the other side of the gym a lot of times because he needs to do. What's going to be good for him and I need to be doing. What's good for me so eat so even just getting there at the same time is more. Hey where are you going to be there? I'll be there around nine. I'll be there around five tomorrow just even knowing that he's going to be there at a certain time it puts him It gives him a responsibility. It gives him some accountability. It gives me some accountability and allows both of us get a good hard training session. And just because he's You're doing a different movements. Let's do kettlebells swings and I'm doing like worn arm shoulder presses or something like that he could still come over and yell at me while I'm doing my exercise and I can still go over there and yell at him or we can bring the kettle bell and dumbbell close to each other so we can be near each other during the lift and we can count each other's reps and keep each other fired up keep each other excited and inspired and sometimes he may do a lot of what we're doing but then he'll split off and start doing some of his own stuff but listen if you if you never had a training partner before or you never lifted in a team environment you are really missing out westside. Barbell is one of the strongest gyms ever and one of the reasons for that is these guys and girls. They trained together. They all went through it together. They went into the trenches together. They went into deep water together and each person knew it was like on said each person knew how hard it was to train there and each person knew what was required to train at Westside barbell. It's a little bit like being in the military. You can kinda see it. And everybody's is everyone's got the eye of the tiger everybody's hungry. Everybody understands how tough and how hard this discipline is. And you're not really worried and concerned about what the outside world thinks of it because you feel that this is the best way to go on. This is the best way to increase your intensity and this is the best way to stay. Motivated remember the habits and the things that are going to be repeatable. Those are going to be the things that are gonNA keep you fired up. And keep you inspired. Keep you motivated. Every single day. I said earlier. Motivation is fleeting. And that's why. I suggest that you get a nice dose of it every single day. It's almost like taking a shower. You can't take a shower on Monday and think that you're good to go by Friday right. You have to take a shower every day. It's not long lasting your motivations not long lasting. Get yourself a training partner. I said the gym is is inside the heart and inside the brain right. So you're going to have to convince somebody else to train along with you I didn't used to be marked smelly bell with all the followers on Youtube and all the followers on Instagram I didn't used to have my own gym. I didn't use to have my own anything. I didn't used to have any money enough them. All I had was a desire to train all I had was desire to lift and I would get my brother to lift the get one of my friends of me and I went through training partner after training partner after training partner until you find ones that are optimal some last year. Some lasts for three months. Some only lasts for three days. Which you gotTA KEEP CYCLING THROUGH THEM. Whatever way that she can about twenty years ago or maybe even longer ago twenty three years ago or so I was at Gold's gym in Venice. And I asked Michael hearn. Start Training with me because I was doing box and I was doing. Powerlifting stuff and Mike was kind of moving away from some power thing stuff but he always loved the key. Powerlifting it is routine is moving away from competitive powerlifting. But he knew all shit. This young kid and I wasn't really that strong at the time but he knew this young kid was going to keep them going because Mike was moving himself away from a particular competition right and so now he's like well shit. This guy is still competes. This guy is still hungry. This guy's still wants to do it. I might as well just jumping. What he's doing. And that's another option for you if you're gonNA compete find someone that is find somebody that is competing find somebody that does have something scheduled. Find somebody that does have a goal in a timeframe and then just be like. I'm just GONNA try to do it along with them. I guarantee you that it will work well for you but I also guarantee that you'll probably take some little mickey mouse steps in there and you probably won't go as hard as if your own ass was on the line. So if you don't have a body building show coming up you don't have a power if they meet coming up. You're not going to run a five K. Or you're not going to do a strongman competition or you're not going to enter a cross fit competition then. My suggestion is that you need to. And if you can't do that and you won't do that. Then get yourself a training partner. Strength is never weakness weakness. Never strength. Catch y'all later what's up. Y'All hope you guys enjoy that advice from the one and only Mark Bell We really cannot thank you enough for the ratings and reviews you guys have been leaving lately on Itunes it. It helps the show so much. 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EP. 256 - Tiny Tiff Leung

Mark Bell's Power Project

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EP. 256 - Tiny Tiff Leung

"So encima I know you know you come from a background of kind of counting calories and way and stuff and things like that but more recently you've been doing a lot of intermittent fasting thing and you cut out a lot of carbohydrates right yeah. I've been going super super super. Low carb how you doing with Jitsu and power and you're still strong. I mean I think it was just two months ago or so. He pulled like a seven twenty five dead lift. Yeah No. It's it's I think it took a little bit of getting used to and it took a little bit of experimenting with things I could use in my fast to just make it a little Caesar so I wasn't you know feeling like crap. I think some of the perfect Yudo products are pretty awesome for that to like the MCAT oils in the morning but yeah it just it it took some time it took some getting used to not having anything in my stomach and not eating food during the day my my brother really struggles with fasting he's saying I can't fast and I was trek well. 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Hey I sitting myself. I think so if you're sitting next to my jets have not too bad so you never poop in this toilet here essay poop shy. There's you don't ever I call it going public. I actually prefer why trade myself into who I think yeah wait for people to come in and then now on I i. I'm not that weird. The airport is actually a pretty good spots. Take victim because you showed me the hack though go and tell her about the this special room the room yeah like the the mommy room where they're like changing and the kids and stuff every once in a while you have like an angry mom those Dan. They're like two or three crying babies and you're like whoops. That's like that's true but you can't get away with Ahtisaari. I don't know who was in here before but somebody and they're looking at you like you're the only person in here it's Paradise when you see that it's like opening its luxuriance. Yes so much space somewhat through fracking anyway tiny tiff. You've been putting up some points on the scoreboard in powerlifting or left. What are some of your numbers I've hit the free forty on Swat what when five events and then deadly three fifty and then what I what body weight were you doing some of those ninety-seven Holy Shit and there are those world records the three forty isn't I did did that after record breakers but getting close I made it probably could in November your what's so all time world record in the swamp is three fourteen. Oh Me Oh it is by his yeah. We'll hit more and training all a month after flow and then has your record been broken censor. You'd still be just breaking your own record breaking down record. How'd you get into powerlifting funny any story so I was playing club soccer they say one of the girls on my team so there was a really cute guy on the powerlifting doom and so she told me to come check it out so I went he wasn't that cute but that's kind of how I got into it and then is all playing soccer and Dan powerlifting just kind of easy to do on your own but also cooled it with a team but it was something that cut me competitive in a sport so that's how I got into to powerlifting and then from there. I started doing personal training powerlifting team in college. What was that I mean. What does that entail. They haven't really heard of that until more recently. Maybe the last three or four years or so yeah so we kinda just met up on Saturdays and like everyone was there and kind lifted We had a coach but he was a great guy. there wasn't all our programming. It was just kind of like okay you're coming in. You'RE GONNA spot bench and dead lift. There wasn't a a lot of like technique work just because there's like fifteen of us in there but they need enough people to be considered a team and get funding funding so that's part of the reason why joined and then like a month later the coach was like. Hey If you want to stay on the team you have to compete because we can't just hold you a spot but there weren't that many people so really. I probably could've competed but it was fine. I really do like five meets out your just because he was paying for it it's like Honda got paid do it who's paying for food and like paying for the travel and everything so he took probably ten of US whoever wanted to go compete and we went down to. La We did collegiate nationals in Texas so that was all within like like a year of me powerlifting. I had no clue what I was doing. There weren't very many girls. probably five girls yeah so oh the first meet. I did I didn't have a bell. I don't order a single I didn't know how to weigh in on anything so it was kind of cool to star Dr when it wasn't so big and like there was no pressure on like how much you could lift reclose in the same way that you are now on a lot more muscle and it's a little better but yeah I've been ninety seven one of five kind of since then how some of that from a social aspect was was a good for you like did you. Maybe start to interact with more people or where you're always Were you outgoing or I would say powerlifting actually really helped me with being more social not that I wasn't before but I just got confidence and just really didn't care what people thought anymore anymore. So in a lot of my friends are now from the gym like I don't really talk to a lot of people that was before I guess just because the mindset's different I just kind of cared more about my body and getting stronger and just being better and helping people than I did about going out and drinking. Do you worry about your like body weight. You worry about your like looks and appearance lot or is it more about like the weights that you're moving like. How do you you kind of balance some of that. It's been kind of struggled. Aachen forest I feel like girls harder with the body image and everything so when I first started Kinda was trying to say under ninety seven so he didn't have to cut a lot and Jesse would just always tell me to eat more a gain weight Jesse but really wasn't eating a lot I thought does eating lot but once I kind of started seeing my shrimp ain't get better when I was eating more. I kind of had to trust that thoughts what I had to do but it is a struggle every once in a while when I do gain more weight. I'm I'm just Kinda like I feel like. I looked discussing but a lot of guys Jim. You'll find like you just your legs are bigger which means you're spotting more and sometimes it helps with the way it sometimes. I just feel mentally like that which I mean I'm a hundred and ten pounds. Sometimes I'm like I feel fat fat which everybody else like well. That's that's nothing but it sometimes does affect my lifting when I think that I'm bigger than it should be but yeah I struggled back and forth with it I don't know but when I see him a numbers go up. That's when I KINDA WANNA go back to like okay. There's a reason why I'm gaining weight right now and I know I can lose it by the time like meats are coming up. So what do you tell girls that are kind of going through that same scenario where they might be chasing a certain way but then they're looking to Mir like us. Come out really liking what I'm seeing like. A lot of my clients are like that I mean. They're obviously not powerlifting but they're also trying to get stronger. I tell them like you have one. What your what is your main goal I guess like are you trying Karonga or are you trying to get leaner because a lot of times it's hard to do both right so I try to get them to look at the big picture and like you have one or two bad days and you can look a lot better than you really are so I tell them if they fall off like give it a few days and like just start eating a little better and see it. Doesn't your way doesn't come on Monday like you're not gonNA keep all that weight on so sometimes it's important to have a certain goal in mind and to kind of go for it so like if you are feeling Chubby or you feel like you gain a little bit of weight. If you have a competition coming up we probably shouldn't change too many things now's not the time to start to try to make yourself skinnier going into going into a power of the yeah. I know a lot of people a lot of people do that and so he's GonNa try to have a goal and then you can set the goal and then once you obtain the goal then you can switch things out and I think that people sometimes zor trying to think of how they can make a change like you know right now and it's like don't chase after two things at one time yeah so I think I've been working with stay on with the vertical vertical. Diet and I did that going up to my last night and then I took like a week or two off. I was still in Costa Rica so I kind of enjoy myself there and came back for a week and tend to wasn't sticking everything but getting back into it knowing that I haven't meet in a few weeks like just going back on that. I've already started his way like I. I know that if I stick to eating as much as I should buy weights. GonNa come off like it was before to trust it which sometimes is hard. I feel like you eat more. You'RE GONNA gain weight trusting it like I've lost more weight eating more than not before the vertical. I what were you doing. I was eating yeah. What were you doing well trained at this gym with Jeremy who go to the gas station and then Jesse who wasn't like he was Kinda recovering from surgery and before that like everybody here's the eating doughnuts and Burger then Chick-fil-a Chick-fil-a is down the street in announcing right next to it ice cream of having a lot ice cream so I mean that's kind of what I was doing before and it wasn't not working. It was working for what it should do. I gained a lot of weight on it but yeah that's what I was doing before. I wasn't really tracking law. Just eat a lot. Are you tracking now with the Verb Alec dragging your macro some stuff most we the poteen making sure enough protein and then the fat a little bit but everything else is just when it gets close like when I was getting closer to the meat I was so that he knew how much I had to cut back not sacrifice FIS like strength and eating so I think this the last night I did when I was on the vertical. Diet was the first I kind of trust myself to eat the the day before weigh ins and I had three meals before like that night and I felt great and I didn't have to do about or you don't have to water cut or anything so that was really nice to be able to trust. It and I weighed in a little light so I could eight more Do you do a pretty. The big way cuts last year for record breakers. I think did a twelve hundred Acre and that's a law in your friends so I say and like Germany like Germanacos twenty five pounds and basically it was like the same body percentage but you tell people like ten pounds and people in powerlifting go ten pounds. That's finally well. It's like bill equivalent of a bigger guy cutting twenty five pounds so that was. I mean it was terrible but I think this year going into it. I'll be lighter so it won't be as tell us about fat shaming that I like that showing like I it's fun. Everybody else hates it. what's fat shame in who made it up. I think Jesse made it out and it's like literally just moving any faster uh-huh you normally would I like to do box rooms and run sleds. Most people will like your form of Cardio. Here's yes shaming. most of the guys here will probably lead in sweat and then we're like Oh. I'm slutty. I'm done but a lot. Lot of people sometimes don't do it. I tried to get everyone to do and everyone hates me. So is there a like other than maybe being other than like working towards being less fat. Is there any other reason for the fat shaming you think I think getting people moving more just especially after the workout like just mobility moving moving there's a lot of I think we don't move a lot like powerless yeah getting the blood flowing back in there yeah mostly Zuma blood after we work out. We're like okay maxland. We're done. We're going to go home and eat so I think it gives us on the Jim a little more right like and it helps with this feeling better I don't know. Do you ever feel like moving more because your background and soccer like does that discount if you'll just like being at home or still out of your comfort zone doing that stuff. I love doing like I feel at home. I like doing the sprints I get in trouble and then Jeremy always pulled a hamstring so oh I get in more trouble but I I love doing all of it and is more fun when people do it and you get to race against people do more weight than people so. I've gone to time where we've got like six people out there. We're sprinting and and then someone gets hurt then I get in trouble. How long have you been training here for. I think for years I can't really remember but me Jeremy Actually just figured out that we both came in at the same time and we both thought that we both were here longer than and like. I thought he's been here like way before I was and he literally probably came in a week before I did and so it's weird how timing works I've I lived in this area all my life. I never knew Jesse was here until I knew Tony Montgomery from like a meet and and I saw him here. Jesse unlike actually check this out. This is like five minutes from my house so yeah I think four years time flies is your coach. Jesse Berta ever make you take a lap many laps. I've seen in Georgia Jeremy Jeremy missed like a banshee. Take a lap and he makes mike run around the building. He tells me not to take laps because I moved too much so he takes laps away from me but I haven't done that in a while. Is that like something. He uses to calm down or something. It's more like you did something stupid. Go take alone. Okay Okay Yeah. He was never made a mistake so he's like what is this tomorrow. I'm doing that exercise over there and that was the first time he's done and you look perfect doing it for us right. No the Jesse showed me a lot of stuff that I was doing wrong. But why was the hip thrust station the first thing you went to though not firing well. I'll sitting all day activating thrusting interesting so you don't know how to dress your hips thing. I'm horrible at the absolutely absolutely north the single another podcast are we saw think he's single. You're still you're still yeah making sure it's been a rough night tiff taken out your instagram at your training more places than just this location. Where else are you getting into your workout. I started are working at Google in San Francisco as a personal trainer so I'm out there Monday Wednesday Fridays so I try to get in my workouts when I can out there because because about their from start at six thirty I ended six so if I can squeeze in time in there. I try to get whatever it can. I've talked to Jesse about and what I should prioritize. Though if I have thirty minutes I tried to get my dynamic bench in and then accessory work between clients we also. I'm out there. I'm three days a week so and then I also have a home gym that I built. I trained my clients out of there so when I have time I like to train in there if I can't get in to see what the heck. Are you doing at Google personal training so it's been really fun. you just tell them to go to sleep pods no. I I honestly I have clients that. I like make just walk because they just sit all day and then they have food access like every floor cafe. Everything's free so they eat instead all day. so a lot of the work. I do with them is mobility just getting them to move and like want to be at the gym. I think the cool thing is when they come back and tell me hey I did this yesterday like when I didn't see you when they went from literally not doing anything before start training them and they're doing things on their own. They're getting. They're like parents involved. They're getting they're like boyfriends and girlfriends involved old so I like. I try and people here. I train like a Lotta moms around here but it's I like working with all the different clienteles because it's so different. I get to learn different things and you just talking to them. They have different mindsets. you get some that are really driven and they do whatever you tell them and do like Tom. Tracking everything. Tell me Your weight every day and I'll get text messages every day with what they're weighing what they're eating eating. How did you get involved with Google like that. there was a guy that actually worked worked out here who earns interning with Jesse his name. Is We call him said he summer intern dave his name is Dave but he started working at Google before me and then he asked me if I wanted to work there the first time he asked me was down mountain view and I didn't want to commute so I gave up that and I was like hopefully comes back around 'cause we're google like who doesn't want that experience right but at that time it just didn't work out and he came back around April and was like they need female trainers owners Google in San Francisco in that it was a lot better. I could take far down there. how I got in I actually knew the guy hiring too so that was Kinda cool. How is such a small world I worked with him. Maybe a year ago and so it's cool that we have like four guys that were out at CEA. Say That all work there now and I had a few clients asked me. Hey you do the same programming. We're like well. We have the same guy that like Tatas a lot of the stuff. We know so for the most part you're gonNA see the main movement but it's obviously program towards Horst what your weaknesses are like that so. That's how I guess are there. Do you use squat bench and dead lift with your clients. Everything will work out. I mean we do slaughter bench spot swatter dead lift and then venture overhead press and then Serie Work Why do you think more swimmin- shouldn't be scared to try powerlifting because it's not GonNa make you bulky. It's GonNa make you strong. Every single girl that I've had a female had squat. Ben Shut lift like they all just feel better about themselves. Confidence starts going through the roof and you can tell that they're excited to be strong and they're they want to be in the gym which every single one that I had star. They're like I don't know what to do here. I'm intimidated by everything I think the first thing I tell them is half the people in here. Don't know what they're doing. Either like that's kind of the truth like and sometimes people but do no other doing. They're doing it wrong so when you go in there like you're probably doing it better than the people that are in the gym. I do a woman laws here. I have about like ten to twelve girls on any given night. they go to the gym and they'll come back and they go to twenty four to do. They're like homework that I give them. They'll come back and tell me I watched this guy do slots and I can spot more than him and he's not even spotting all the way like he doesn't know what he's doing doing like that's so cool that you guys like can tell like. I feel comfortable with most goals in that class like teaching someone else how to do wit because I've taught them from the ground up and they've helped girls out the gym so it's cool to see them start to share the knowledge and excited about telling the all that did you realize like what was it that you realized that you had a world class. Strength was early in the straight career or Ludi honestly some days. I don't even like think about that. I I'm just like I feel like I come in and I just trained like that's not really what's in the back of my mind. I guess I don't know if that's weird or not. But was there a point though where you looked at it like a record or Jesse verdict like maybe mentioned a record day. You and you're like maybe I could do that so the first time I broke a world record. That was Kinda like I wasn't. I was training here. It was probably my first few months here no training with SAAG Trahan and I texted him estranged Oughta the world record for the SPA and I'm like hey do you think squat to seventy and he's like why like well it's kind of the Alzheimer World Record. I think I could get there there and that was kind of the start of it so probably like four years ago. was when I started to kind of look at it. I don't think I looked at before but I I come into training and I don't really think about those. I just think about getting better what I can do to be stronger. So why do you think Why do you think you're gifted. Something like that. Obviously worked really hard for it as well but that's pretty rare for somebody three or four years into something and only a few weeks or months into it here with a good coach like why you why. Do you think you possess that ability in idea. I never thought about it. I never thought about it. I I I don't know is there something in the gene pool like his Momma strong dad strong or something like that I just like I tried to get my mom to work out and she will not work out is do you think maybe it's some of the years of soccer in life has helped a lot your mindset. Maybe some things like that have kind of contributed to some some of this yeah so. I think soccer held a lot like I like. Shrank is obviously a lot better I wish that I did gymnastics or swimming like that when I have kids. They're they're doing one knows house like I feel like I feel like lower body. Strength is a lot easier to get especially for females so kids are doing swimming and gymnastics but I think my mindset is like coming here. I think my mind's totally changed anything. That's what helps me keep going towards records and keep getting stronger spinning around Jesse like I don't know you know him like he just there's so much to learn from him in like seeing how he works syncing how he not even just in the gym like his life like with his daughters in with Katie like it makes me want to be a better person. Try Now. This is weird. It just makes me going to be awkward talking about Jesse I think he just made me like such a better person and like WanNa get better. Every day right makes sense. It's okay to cry. It's all right. yeah. Jesse is a a unique coach. I mean like He. He's GonNa be like right on top you. How involved is he like. I know you've been training for a while so you're probably helping coach some some other people and stuff and you got you know. Jeremy and he got a lot of strong men and women here now so maybe he doesn't have to be on top. Everyone all the time but as a team you guys probably we all try to help each other. Our yeah like it really does feel like family here. like I know I can go to Sean or college or me. Joanne about like watching videos and critiquing it and like even outside the gym like me and Jeremy. We WanNA move last night. We watched Rambo last night. there's a lot. I mean there's a lot of good ways. I saw on how to kill people so I gotta get some. Nice instant throwing practices but but like you all hang out together quite a bit even outside yeah a- and like Oh Jesse being on top of everybody I feel like for me. I'll ask him when I like. I know when I need him to spot me when I need him. Watch me I record set so I can show him if he's not watching but most of the time he's out of the corner of his eye watching he'll tell me if like something looks weird or uh-huh off which is all the time. I don't know what I'm doing half the time but yeah so he's not on top of me as much as like. I feel like some coaches might be which I like because it keeps me more accountable with like knowing how my body works and how my body like what wait Saddam I kind of check in with them before the workout or write down unlike what my temps are going to be and then he's looks at it and if it looks weird adjusted but usually he will say this. We usually have the same thing number that night but yeah. I'm curious about this because okay. You're you're at the top of your weight class and a lot of athletes even if they're not day as sometimes have other athletes competing with by like ooh that person's catching up or catching up to them you breaking your own records. How'd did you continue to push yourself to just continue to break records because no one's breaking records right yeah I mean I gotta look at especially here here. There's no one training in my weight class so I kind of just look at the girls that are around and try to hit what they're hitting close to what they're hitting and even if they're thirty forty pounds heavier heavier than me like that's kind of what I'm driving for because that's what I have to compete against here and then being able the train with them because I can hit the same amount of weight with them. I think that's part for me. yeah is Jesse's voice kind of creep into your head time like all day like even when you're not in the gym all the time like when I do something stupid like Jesse would it just shows that like even just shaking his head at me which is most of the time when I'm here like I can picture that every time I do stupid but the scariest part is when I'm training people I start to sound like Jesse is to like do things that Jesse does here and like Osho you hit people. He always no no don't do do that by the always folks that people kiss. He's like these jarring. Ya but it does make you Kinda wake up. You know whatever muscle you're trying to work uh-huh yeah yeah it's scary. How much like I I've talked to Jeremy about it and how he trains people. He's like yeah. I just start thinking saying things adjusts. He doesn't like Shit like what's happening. All of us starts happening and I don't know how to stop it. How does he coach you. As negative give or is he positive as you make fun of you like immersive needs a different sharing your he makes fun of me a lot but when it comes down to like when I'm lifting I don't know how to get angry and so he's tried that before and doesn't work. I just cry and so I think he's Kinda gone to the point where it's like okay to if like you can do this like let's go and that it's kind of quiet from their Jeremy's like that too. He's got a big old smile on his face time. He's lifting. I think it's because of what Jesse's graded here like like the environment like. I don't have a lot of angry about like I in an IPO like. Maybe I'd be better like a little more focused. Sometimes if I did have any like tragic thing happened to me but like I've had a pretty good life like I live here here and I have a great job. I have great friends. I have great family like I don't have a lot to be angry about so play powerlifter yeah yeah. I like China get angry. I cry if I do so I just I don't know I'm really curious about this because like no this like a lot of that's not that's awesome so then when you're doing something really heavy or when you think back to your world record bliss right what what goes through your head because a lot of power. That's just have to get angry and those moments. Were you angry or were. You just focused as more focus I mean. I don't know how you guys use competed like. Everything's kind of blurred. I don't really see anything when I'm out there and when I do that's what I'm screwed because that's what I'm thinking and when I think nothing's ever good and Jesse tells me how to think all the time but yeah I when I train I tried to like think about the lists that have made before I would like to think about all the neg- like what I was kind of in a little funk. I would think about like Oh. I couldn't do this last time like can I do it now. Now and I think mindset such a big thing so I just had to start thinking about like when I've hit it how much I've done in training and the Ad Spin what's helped me gas like tr's about so. How do you deal with like being happy with what you got? You mentioned like getting into a little little bit of a little bit about funk. I think we all the tendency to kind of look at other people and what they're doing and think that that's somehow better Tennessee to worry about what other people think of us and things things like that. How do you feel good about like you set world records and now like if you're not a world record status you know you hold yourself that standard or you've been lighter body weights and different and things like that. How do you how you hold it all together. I think about everything that goes into it like I used to not think about sleep and recovery a lot but since I started working at Gogol and since I've gotten a lot more clientele like my recovery is in as good as it was before like when I wasn't working working so much like I could sleep. I eat like I come in here. I'd hang out here like for five hours so I had a lot more free time a lot more time to like not do anything and let my body like relaxed when I was hitting like more. PR's more frequently but now I'm like well. I'm working more. I'm hitting like life. Pr is like I think that's cooler than nothing against powerlifting hitting PR's here but like I think that's kind of cool or like. I don't make very much money. Doing our lives like if anything it's been way more money on powerlifting and like all the food so I kinda put it in perspective like this isn't my job. This is like fun and once I was thinking about it as a job. That's gone that funk like like okay. I need a hit these numbers like I. I have nothing else like so I think looking at like putting it into perspective of what the priorities are like is definitely a taught pride like one of my top priorities but I have so much more going on my life now that like I don't know it's cool to go out and like hit records but also also like making money and like having a career so powerlifting is just what you do. It's not who you are. Remember that sometimes and I mean I feel like there's a lot of people that try to make it who they are. I mean that's cool but I don't know how much you're GonNa make that and then my body was working. I'm like what am I going to do like I can't lift weights like I have a lot more going for me than just so so now. Are you working on Google. And how long have you doing that by the way I started in April able yeah okay so before that happened like you're focusing on powerlifting but now that you're doing that like what I guess. Where do you see yourself heading. What do you like what you want to end up continue like doing. Do you want to continue any going down the trading route like how do you want to. What do you want to do yeah so a year ago. If you ask me that I would've told you have no clue what I WANNA do but I like. It's really hard because I love training people and I know a lot of people do like online training to get like we're fine. Tell you make more money but I like the one on one. I liked the connections I have with. My clients like knowing that I could actually call them on the weekend be like hey. Do you want to hang out like hey. I'm in trouble like I got an car accident last week or last week last month and I had to cancel on a few clients like do you need me to come out there and like pick you up like I think that's the coolest thing so. It's Kinda hard for me to really figure out what I WANNA do but I want to stay on this path of training people I just I went to like a summit at excess and it's like human performance and all this stuff in seeing the people there and how passionate they are about like human movement. I I think that's something that I want to get more into is like more of the like nitty gritty of how people move and how to move them better I think with what I'm doing right now is like just getting the moving is the hard part but starting to like breakdown why things are breaking down in their body. I think that's kind of the next path I WANNA start to get more into breaking down more willing to have a good coach to ask questions as nobody nerdier than Jesse. Have you ever or like read a book or an article or heard anything about strength training and then gone to Jesse about it and he hasn't heard of that before no he looks at me like Hey I read this book. I just just got this bucket. Yeah like five years ago. I think when I started getting body work done I like the Guy told me about this book and so I got in like chose you all the trigger points like. Oh this this controls this and all this stuff. I'm like Jesse. I got this book like look at these toys. He goes okay and like and then like okay. I just really stupid. Five is probably something he told you about three years ago to that. You didn't listen to right. Yes yes one hundred percent by everything that I've come to. He has an answer to and he knows so. It's really cool that he has answers serves and then just the network that he hasn't like you. Guys have like being able to like. I got to go to coach houses. seminar in. I don't remember earlier this year so that was really cool like having that connection and being able to talk to him. I've talked to me a few times comes through instagram and social media has been really awesome in that sense. I've been connected with a lot of people that I could ask questions too about that stuff if like a Jesse's busy time I feel like a bug him half the time so I can ask other people to like they'll respond like it's cool to have so much knowledge in social media that I can trust because I know people that know them not just because they have two hundred thousand followers and like they they post things every day like I don't trust those people when she makes me coming up by the way I'm doing slingshot record rigors ooh yeah so we'll see what I can do from squad for some workers there Scott and total so we'll see we injustice China talks about saying ninety seven are going up a weight class after this so if the zoo my last ninety seven probably go really heavy down spot we'll see they. How crazy is it. you know you're chasing your own records but you're training around. Jeremy Avila like did you guys go back and forth on anything like a brother sister type of vibe or is it. You has mainly encouraging each other brother sister vibe yeah. He's he's kind of Moody. When you're paying like toby doesn't that to me but yeah up and down sometimes so I feel like we're too. We don't lift the same I guess our training isn't the same mentality especially because he lives if so much heavier than I do like it so much more taxing on him to do like his heavy surf and with work and everything like our schedules. It's been like he'll get here earlier than me or I'll get here in our later earlier and so we kind of cash each other most time we had you to other when we're going for those Knox's boxes and we see each other on. It's really cool to have him like he's like the best cheerleader so when he sucks when he's having a bad day do the gray. I cheerleaders also imagine 'cause you're really focused in Jeremy will walk up to the bar and be like oh hit a PR and accidentally forgot to wear a belt yeah. I hate it because like you'll he'll hit a PR and yours like so. You don't need to warm up like what I don't understand like. You just got here like ten minutes ago and you're just jumping in with everybody else so I wish I could train like him like I take twenty minutes to warm up and everyone can you hurry up like we're trying to work out together like well. I just don't WanNa get hurt again like I take that extra time to warm up and stuff but but I'm jealous of the way he can dream because he can walk up and just hit the ours and like it took me a year to get all of this. There's just a five pound. Pr Got that a lot of people world records in this gym and you guys use some training. That's it's a little unconventional compared to what a lot of other people consider to work welfare raw training. You guys use a conjugate. Westside barbell system talk about that a little bit bands chains Max effort dynamic offer I love it so before I started training in this way. I was doing what everyone else does like. I would spot bench and uplift every day and I just try to Max out all the time but it's really help like the band's. Yes I think have helped my spot a lot douglas I I don't know it. Just lets me try to hit. PR's on those days but it's just different because it spans and chains and Kinda makes you feel good because because you could hit a pr every week and you don't know what it is really so. Jesse changes that every two weeks because that's how it is but I like it too 'cause if I hate that movement movement I know it's GonNa be over in two weeks like and then it won't come back for a few months so I like Mike how a changes all the time and works on different weaknesses that like you didn't know like my favorite is like a one board press and and we do a lot of conventional then sumo doublet goals so going back and forth like I used to hate conventional lifts and now like I want to do them more Komo. It's really weird and I pulled better off a deficit so I don't know I like all the different stuff because it definitely helps with with different weaknesses and I vill stronger some days. I feel week Sundays. I'm like as because overdue and that's why I'm weak today like it's not 'cause. I didn't sleep enough thrive off like variation and training to you enjoy that more than if you were doing a lot of the same stuff for weeks on end yeah. I think for me like like I was telling you. I like doing all that like of cardio all that running shit I like doing different things all the time because I get stuck in one spot. I just like Ford I don't know I feel like maybe a lot of powerlifters do like every day like the grind of the same thing over and over again casino what you're doing but I like all the different stuff because if I if he doesn't isn't program it I'm GonNa do it on my own. I'M GONNA get in trouble so at least half of its his program where can people we'll find you. I'm at the gym and then on Instagram tiny ninety seven I got so and you'll be slingshot record record record breakers on Sunday four. We head out. You're a world record holder. Do you hold any world record her coop stories. You have any girls don't poop smoke is looking at wells els zone. That actually might be true. It's also don't feel here. I don't feel from public. I don't think she holds it in. Where does come out then. What do you mean one day one day. When I have a POOP have really big story. I guess and I I will let you guys really compacted diamond up this building. I hope it it happened on slingshot Eggert. I'll be a record-breaking to we'll stream. It live verdict. Strengthens never weakness weakness never strength catch y'all later.

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Acceptance after loss: Guest  Chris Ruden

James Miller | Lifeology

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Acceptance after loss: Guest Chris Ruden

"Ooh. Hi book, James Miller life. Haji relearn to simplify and transform your spirit mind and body. My name is James Miller. I'm a licensed therapist composer, thank you so much for tuning in today. Let's get started. Thank you so much for taking time out of your busy schedule to listen to the show when you're done listening. I hope you take a minute, right? A quick review on whichever radio or podcast platform. You've heard this show, your insights will help others to be inspired and encouraged. I've agreed show few today. I'm going to help you find acceptance after loss. Also be interviewing powerlifter and motivational speaker, Chris Rudin? He shows his inspirational story of being born with a congenital birth defect. But you hard work and dedication, he turned what could have been stumbling block in created a steppingstone. For more information about Chris, please. Visit Chris Rudin dot com or follow him on Instagram at Chris Rudin. That's are you. D. E. N. 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Go to my website, James Miller, life dot com and click on the page work with James, Philip that form and it will be sent directly to me, don't let another day go by without finding your way. Your change can start today once again, go to James Miller, life dot com and click on the page work with James Filatov form to get started today. Acceptance after loss life happens to all of us in my field. We have a fancy term called radical acceptance, radical acceptance basically means you create a snapshot of your life, right this minute, and you accept the facts as they are you remove the emotion from it. But you create the facts of your life at this moment, at the end of this interview, you're going to hear me, speak a little bit about this with my guest, but I wanted to create a segment around this, because I think it's really important for each one of us to understand how to move beyond, what was versus what is each one of us has experienced extreme loss before that can be through heartache that can be from the loss of a job, a health issues bankruptcy, the loss of someone. We've all experienced something in our life. And after the appropriate time of grieving, it's important to then accept the facts as they are one thing I really wanted to understand is if something traumatic happened in our life doesn't mean that if someone did something to us that we say it's okay that they did this causes them. To take responsibility or minimizes the situation in any way it just simply taking stock of your life. Right. This minute. The difference is when people unfortunately get caught up in everything that they've lost their future. Looks very bleak. They think of all the things they could do all the things have experienced in their past. And that's what they focus on with radical acceptance you focus on the facts as they are. And then what do you do? With those facts many times, people can focus on the way the situation currently is but they don't focus on what they can do they focus on what they lost. And once again, there's an appropriate time of grieving, but after the grief has passed now what do you do in every situation? We have an opportunity to take a stumbling block and turn it into a stepping-stone when you focus on. What is happening? Now, you ask yourself what can I do with these facts, many times people focus on what was versus what is and they compare it. It's good or bad. I was good. My current situation is bad. You cannot compare the two because they are essentially different that person you. Were during that time prior to the event is not who you are today? Traumatic events change us. We can either evolve or become stagnant, and resentful and bitter, now once again, this is not minimize anything. You've experienced it just simply allows you to determine what you're going to do now. Radical acceptance is not a one and done, essentially you wake up one day and say, okay, what is different? How do I accept life as it is now and move beyond? This is a lifestyle because what is always has the opportunity to remind you of what was the mindset that you create with his radical acceptance continually moves, you forward continually move in the direction of things you can do versus things you cannot do redefining who you are today is the most important step. Because if you create your snapshot of her life based on who you were they'll never fully embrace, who you are today. Remember to remove the concept of good and bad. Today's worse than yesterday or I'll never be able to do this again, those concepts, you have you focus on. What was? Was and not on what is I often help people think of their current situation like a rubik's cube. The rubik's cube has six different sides. If you look at your past through one side of the rubik's cube then, yes, that is all you're going to see at this time of your life. You have another version, another side in which to spend that cube to see what your new life looks like not, you're better life, your new life. A question to ask yourself, anytime you go through trauma. And after the grieving process has ended is what are you learning about yourself? What have you learned about yourself? Did you realize you had resilience? Did you realize you have ten nasty? Did you realize that you have the will to live even perhaps you didn't think you could or wanted to did you realize that you over came adversity? Did you realize that you have more strength than you thought on the other side of your experience with continual radical acceptance your story is going to help someone else move beyond their trauma, their event their loss. So I really want to encourage you that regardless of where you were versus where you are today, do not compare those two they will always be different. Different is not good or bad. It's just simply different. What was we'll never be? But will be is what you decide it will be. Wanted to take just a quick moment to thank you. All continually support and listen to James Miller life, Allah. Gee, I am so blessed and honored by your continual supports. However, I want to make sure that you don't miss out an anything exciting. That's happening over here, so good or James Miller, follow dot com or life. Allah, G dot TV and sign up for the free weekly recap each week. I will send you an Email, which has all the latest radio episodes, YouTube episodes magazine articles and self help products specifically for you once again, go to James Miller, life dot com or a life, algae dot TV and sign up for the free weekly recap. My guest is Chris Rudin, who was born with a congenital birth defects that manifested in short arm and only two fingers on one hand growing up. He was bullied and embarrassed. But Kris van powerlifting, and fitness to become the athlete yesterday. He regularly speaks to youth with disabilities in order to motivate them to recognize it. Every stumbling block can be steppingstone welcome to my show. Chris, thank you. Haven't really Brigitte it. I'm looking forward to this interview you have so many major things that you've overcome and so many things you've done. So I know you're definitely going to inspire my listeners today. Now born with a congenital birth defects, that is, you know, obviously, there's a difference if someone's diagnosed or something later on in life, but you started out in life society or people perceive. New certain way can you walk us through that what was growing up like for you? Absolutely. Born with two fingers on my left hand in shorter left arm, and, you know, I grew up in a very poor area. You know, we went to the church to get food or on welfare. That on top of growing up with the disability. I knew immediately that I was different show. I went through a lot from bullying to depression to later in life, you know, getting into the wrong thing in hanging with the wrong people, but I always tried to hide it from my parents, you know, we wanted them to know because it was embarrassed. I was embarrassed that they that their kid was getting made fun of those embarrassed. That, like I wasn't good. No. We wanted them to know until, you know, finally one day, I just had enough. And when I told them their reaction kinda dislike change the way, I viewed my disability in what way. So I always used to come home after school in, whether it was a bad day, you know, getting made fun of or people would call me like a monster because I different and they wouldn't pick me for certain sports was younger. So one day, just this one kid. Keep named Patrick has got to me, and I remember going home in, like running in the bathroom. I was like, tears rolling down my face. And I looked at myself in the mirror and I'm like you are a monster. Like I was just so down on myself. I couldn't hide it from my mom anymore. Like mom, I don't want this. You're a nurse fixes. I don't wanna be disabled I don't wanna be I don't have this gross arm. I'm tired of being the monster. And then to see my mom break down and cry. And all she could really say was, I'm sorry, you know, do, of course, there's nothing to do as a parent, you know, and she's a nurse too so to be in the medical field like man. I can't imagine what that would be like. So it was like, in that moment, I was like, okay, I have to do something else complaining about it's not gonna work not to say that, that was my ultra defining moment where I decided what I wanna do with my life, but that was one of the many moments that I was a mind shift. Of course, I had to a head to do something different, you know, but I think also just from a child seen their parent feel so helpless, and these are my words yours, but to see reminders hurting so much, it, it helps you realize that it's not just you who struggling just you who has that, that quote disability. It's your your parents. They want to give you your mom want to give you everything, and she wasn't able to. And this is one thing she could not do. I'm sure everything. Else. She would you best seduce. Sounds like she's an amazing woman, but this is one thing. She couldn't do. So. I think with you how that awareness Fanie. Wow. There are the people who are hurting were close to me. And what can I do to be protective of them as well? Exactly. So it started to lead me to think like all right. If I can't change my situation, what can I change? What can't do there has to be something I can do you know instead of living this life of, you know, oh I can't do anything about at the ball is in my court. I was like, how can I kind of, you know, get some control over my life, and it turns out, I did have control is just over my thoughts might be in my reactions to the situations that I found myself in so that was kind of like the starting point for everything that I built today when you look at your perception, how it started to shift where did it come from a place of disability or deficit to place of once again, like you said, I can't control this. There's multiple moment's, you know, that was like, okay emotional moment. I know something. Change. But I'm not sure what going into high school. I was very competitive. You know because of my disability because of my reaction to my disability, I should say. I did all kinds of weird stuff. Unite play drums. I wore a glove for seventeen years, I hit my hand because I was barris but I hit my hand in stilted things that I was out in those spotlight. You know, I always want in this Latin kind of perform, so I played drums with drumstick through the finger hole. Added martial arts, I was the captain starter of the dance team. My highschool has core. I was never like the conventional guy who played sports this funny ended up getting a degree in exercise science. But I still to this day, don't like sports. So it's just not my thing. Being competitive definitely pushed me to see what I could do the abilities, you know, but in a healthy way, it wasn't until I got diagnosed with type one diabetes that they huge mental shift happened. And that's turned that whole obstacle into an opportunity and tried to create my adversity as a business trying to look, can I do to help other people, my struggle, you know, I know that I teach best, what I need to learn most, so for me to help myself, I have to help other people. That's just hell I learned. That's how I grow. And you know, once I kind of was serious myself in level with myself this, what you have to do. I love helping people and I took it seriously took it as a job in Huriore, you know, great when you were diagnosed with type one diabetes, and obviously, that's no one's expecting that. So you have this way started life this, this feeling of certain way by yourself. And then being diagnosed with something else. How is that for you? I honestly think the only reason I was able to deal with, you know, getting diagnosed with a lifelong condition, you know, in a lifelong autoimmune disease. It was because I had been battling the mental struggles living with the disability. And I had finally learned how to kind of be okay with myself, I still had my hand, but I was okay with myself, you know, before I really was not okay with any part of myself, and at this point knows of doing a lot better. So when the diabetes came in, like, okay, you gotta do the best with what you got where you're at. I read that quote somewhere. And I'm like, okay, what can I do this? What how can I use this as momentum, you know, at the time I was studying law in college? I wanted to be a lawyer, mostly because I like to argue with beat. A good lawyer. Lot more than that, now that was the job description. I hundreds percent would be amazing at it, but. I, I ended up deciding to switch to exercise science because at the time that was my biggest goal unite hawk and drums, and all this other stuff. But bodybuilding in lifting I was told by so many people, I couldn't just because I wasn't symmetrical in cemetry is what they judge after. So, I was like, okay I'm stubborn I'm competitive. I'm gonna take that as a challenge I got into exercise like maybe I could start, you know, working with other people with exercise hold teach best, which new most ended up finding a client. They found me in eleven year old with cerebral palsy. I'm reached out to me, and she's like I think you would inspire him. And at this point, I'm like inspire like on the means. Sure, she's like, I think you would inspire him and you could really help them. I would love for you to work, my son. Lemme lemme give it a shot. I went out bought a bunch of acquitted and went over to her house in meeting. This kid David connected on Razi level. Like I worked with him every single week for six months, and we had so much fun. And this kid taught me more about life than I ever learned on any Ted talk podcast kids were making fun of them because he could barely look, you know, and kids are making fun of Kuoni told me that I'm ready to rip the throats out here in the story. I am the story. Right now. Like, I'll go I can train you from jail. We're good. And. Get mad he stopped many. But it's okay Chris, they don't tell me who I am. And I was like, gosh, this eleven year old touch this lesson, exactly. I'm like I just learned the lesson. He talked about last year. And I worked with him years ago. You know what I'm saying? After working with this kid. He ended up running on the beach for the first time. That's amazing. Wow. You exercise fitness working with people was my goal that I was on the right path diabetes. Now in exercise science. Now, my whole business is based on exercise. Boom, things were starting to move, you know. And that's that's when I really started feel like okay, maybe I can do a little bit more with my life than just be that disabled kit. And you transitioned into multiple things. We're gonna talk just a few minutes about new, you're on the NBC titan games, which is amazing show. But you also now have a prosthetic walk through that. So after getting an exercise science and all that I ended up starting competing in powerlifting, because they found out strong, but it wasn't big enough to bodybuilding it. I did my first how're pigmeat and I won congratulations. Seven meets after that. And then I broke horse state records at one unofficial world record for the strongest disabled diabetic power during the world. So I was like, okay powerlift empower teams. Good. I like lifting heavyweight. This is fun. But at the time I was still riding my hand, you know, it wasn't until I got a prostate arm. That I took my Globo's I hid my name from my girlfriend from my friends. It wasn't until November of two thousand eighteen that finally took my gloves off after seventeen years of wearing it. How was that for you? That was I mean that moment was insane. And of course, I do everything on such a ridiculous scale I was like let me just make a video of me taking my glove and posted to the internet, 'cause I'm scared for one person to see. Let's let. Bunch of people that video went so viral, I hit two point eight million gosh. Wow. At this point, you know, it was a little bigger than just showing one person. So that was it made it easy for me to, you know, kind of be open because people are celebrating they weren't they weren't seen as a deficit, there is this is a milestone. So I think just referring for you that support you got from all those us, and all those people saying those great things it also solidified with them for you. It was absolutely saying, these people were messaging, I've been hiding, my disability from my wife for twenty years. I'm like the messages. I got support was it was crazy. You know, so the prosthetic arm helped me a lot with the mental state of being. Okay. With myself, and disabled, some people are outright really cool with some people aren't, and as a guy we struggle with the stigma of, oh, you're not supposed to be so conscious, you know, you're not supposed to have any emotions. You're not supposed to do anything strong, you know. No, no. We're we're allowed to we're human. You know, and that prosthetic helped me with that huge mental hurdle, not to mention I started developing carpal tunnel, my right hand, which is just from overuse on having so the prosthetic hopes will out of daily life functions in it looks super super goal. I know it doesn't sound figures. That's really cool. You look like a superhero that which led me doing today now, I travel the country and the world speaking to kids, whether they kids, antidotes, whether they have disability diabetes, or even at conferences in sales meetings about overcoming adversity and my essages, which is limitations are self-imposed, which is very true. I mean everybody has some type of I don't want us were deficit. But there's, there's something to each of our lives that is something block. And sometimes we don't realize that for one. We, we haven't identified that it is a stumbling block. We just allow life to just trust. Kind of decide that you can't do anything about it. But that's our decision to lie to ourselves. You know, to me all the time, and they say, oh, man, I would look to help lead to do what you do. But my story isn't as cool as yours. Unlike listen, every single person listening to this podcast right now, including you has the same story as you went through some crap, you got over some crap in more crafts coming that in a way that can tell someone how to help themselves get better. You're gonna make a huge impact. The whole aspect is well as if you've overcome something before the situation today, may be different, but the mindset and the feelings that you experienced that you've now, currently feel them. So if you did it before you can do it again. And I think so many times you realize there's so much data in each person's past which gives us so much fuel to overcome over currently facing today. It's crazy. You know, if you think about what's the hardest thing you've ever had to go through in your life, and you're here, now you did it, you made it. You won. Another breath. Yes. Exactly. You're here. If even if it didn't go the way you wanted to you're still here. So keeping through that, I promise you can get through everything else, I like to teach people that everything ever since we are in our life is like a jigsaw puzzle piece. And with when you can generally look at your life because there are many things have just don't make sense. It will never make sense. And we'll never know why. But when you see what the outcome was, or perhaps a closed or open up another door for somebody else. We can start to see how those jigsaw puzzle pieces kind of linked together to form this tapestry of this picture of we are today. And so the more wariness that we have, like I said, before, if we take a stumbling block, and turn it into a stepping-stone the lessons we learned from that event, create the opportunity for another opportunity, even greater that we're now, proactively part of that we're choosing how we're going to respond word, choosing the outcome that's going to happen. So I think when people really isolate in event and say, this happened to me, this happened to me, we don't step back enough to look at the perspec-. Tive because perf- perspective, always gives us understanding and awareness to say, okay, I don't understand that. And I'll never understand it. But what came out of that? And what came out of years later has allowed me now to be the person. I am today, for example, for me. I'm no different than anybody else. Multiple things have happened in my own life. But I love away today. It took me long time to say that, but I love way today. And so each thing that went I went through other put myself or life happened. And now make sense of who I am today. And once again, we can find that I love William today. It then links together like I said that beautiful puzzle piece that picture of who we are today. And to add to that, it's a great way to conceptualize like what, what it is to go through life and hid these roadblocks. You know. Sometimes those puzzle pieces seem like they'll never fit. All you spin the puzzle around until you change the perspective of how you look at the entire puzzle change your perspective of how to use that one piece that one event in your life. That doesn't make sense in honestly, sometimes in life, I've found that we try and make sense of everything. When something's just simply accents, we, we need a reason we need to apply. Reason why something happens sometimes you stubbed toe because you stopped you're. Duck trying to make it like. Oh, it's because I'm a libra you know, it's not a. Let's a moving board instead of looking back where you're, you know, Ashi skin is left on the sidewalk. Yeah. I think it also goes back to this place of we many times, conceptualize the outcome event, as there's something wrong with us. There's a deficit within us. There's an attractive story that has zero emotion. Yes, exactly. And so when we, we created that were the fall to the reason why, and then it creates like you said earlier that limiting belief and events. Then becomes we are as opposed to just an event in event can never become who we are without your permission. Exactly. I do want to add, though, that I actually got really weird as for something ever happened. I got backlash on something I was talking about about a changing perspective as a person with the disability and someone's like no amount of positivity will ever. Give me my leg back or give me my arm back. Let me clarify no amount of positivity or most likely medication will give you your leg or make your condition better. You know, we can learn to treat it. But I don't think positively cures anything, but I do think it treats a bad mindset. And that's the main thing we have to live off of not our body. But the way we think, you know, and Claire, yeah. And I think that's a great clarification. Let me piggyback that as well as when we compare what was versus what is always going to be quote, less than because when we get stuck in, perhaps this for this example, the mobility of something for someone to lose their mobility. Yes. That's not going to be better. It's going to be different. So we have to remove what was and keep that. Suffer because it will never be today. So now we have to take the new framework to say, okay, what can I do? Or what is as opposed to what was when we have that grief, get lost in, and that's when people compare, and that's where that quote, positively will never be. We'll never fix it. We're not trying to fix it. We're looking at what is not a positively hippie like if the burning building is on fire. I'm not going to stand in there and chant myself out of the gonna run out, you know, I'm not. I'm not. Seriously? If something happens if I were to lose my legs, and I couldn't walk anymore. It would change my life. It doesn't would change my message in my vision in my purpose, because my purposes to help other people, regardless of my limbs, or digits, or what I'm going through my purpose to help other people, you know, that to me when I that's my personal thing I will always be driven to do that. Regardless as long as heart is still beating I will find a way to do that. It's the augmentation of the changes of what we can do what we cannot and I think once again, people get stuck in that they get stuck in what they can't do and then tell us drill what they can't do in. I don't need a reminder of what I can't do because I'm well aware. I need a reminder of what I can do. And I posted a little yesterday, Instagram. You know, only people who can see the invisible can do the impossible. When you think about stuff like that. Like your vision has to be bigger than what you've went through, if it is in your only gonna have the past, as your future, that's not going to get you anywhere. Exactly. Especially if you feel it comes from place of feeling less than than yes and your perception. What would we call my field emotional forecasting? What I feel today forecast my future. If I feel it stay that means I will always feel it. And fortunately, causes us to get stuck and not being able to become fully could become. We get stuck in what we cannot be. That's awesome. Chris, it has been an absolute pleasure. Have you my show today? If my listeners like defend them for you to follow Instagram to watch you on NBC titan game where were they find all this information online? My name is Chris Rudin, so everything at Chris route, and you can find me on Instagram YouTube or my website, Chris Rudin dot com and you can catch me on the titan games with Dwayne the rock Johnson on NBC on Thursday nights. Excellent. Chris, thank you so much for being a fantastic s Michaud today. Really appreciate your time. Absolutely. 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Constant Curiosity - Ep. 31

Business & Biceps

07:28 min | 5 months ago

Constant Curiosity - Ep. 31

"Yoyo Daily Fire episode Thirty One. If it's trash turn it off but if it has value please share it out for me. Of course it's brought to you by knacks effort muscle dot com all. Your supplement needs. Go to Max. Effort MUSCLE DOT com. We actually have a deal going on today. Go over and check it out. It's brought in also you're listening to the business in biceps network episode. Thirty one constant curiosity I can barely say it constantly being curious. What's that really mean? Because you hear those things right out all the time and you hear people like self educating but a lot of people think it's just a bunch of fucking fluff straight up. Oh Yeah you're curious about what everything and that's how you continue learning. So here's a great example right. I've been studying like stock market and stuff for the last couple years and really in the energy sector so you know a lot of my learning stuff is gone around the crude oil stuff. That's happening right now around the deals that were going on with the O. Pack stuff like I was intrigued and interested in studying. 'cause I didn't know why I didn't understand it. I I needed to unravel kind of my understanding of my investments. Were at a different level. It's the same with Diet. Why do I eat sugar at this time and not at this time? Same with training. Why do I alternate a dead lifts each week in utilize the conjugate method? Why did west side do that? It's a constant curiosity. Why you know amino acids do this. Why protein does that. I'm telling you like the resources that are available. Let me turn back the clock a little bit when I graduated high school. I'm about to be forty to my resources for bodybuilding and powerlifting. Were magazines literally powerlifting. Usa in Arnold's encyclopedia in magazines. That was my resources so when you fast forward. I have an appreciation for the level of stuff. That's out there now there's misinformation so you gotta be careful. Everyone got a voice now because there's no limit but as you sift through and see the people that have these resumes and understand like you can learn so much just this morning I was doing. I call it youtube learning on certain different parts of the pictorial muscle. How to make sure I can get bigger gains sound super. You know bodybuilder meathead. But that's the truth. I was understanding the lower peck at a different level. Because I get that question all the time so now. I'm able to have an informed answer. Create a routine. That directly affects the lower deck in create a harder. Look between the pecking. That upper APP. Don't you think that's valuable? I I understood that at a deeper level in thirty minutes today I understood at a deeper level. The oil thing that's going on right now from a commodity standpoint in the other thirty minutes today so think about the wide variety of what? I'm talking about right now being that I was curious this morning and I'm always curious but I was curious this morning about those two things. I know it's it's really kinda broad thing. Gee You're talking about lower development and then oil in the prices in the market in OPEC deal I understand. There are two separate big things but I understood both of them more just from this morning. Now they're talking about open. It's starting to unravel this and open up the economy in a couple of weeks. That's for debate whether that's good better indifferent but what I do know is from this point. If you're listening to this real time you have at least two more weeks of way. More time on your hands. Why are the top ten things that you just want to know more about? I mean what do you want to know more about in then push yourself to learn them? It is not that hard. Everybody this is this like such a crazy time that you could use to make yourself better but also use it for entertainment so like if it doesn't have to be like my it's always serious right. I get it because I'm so focused but it could be something that's just like what if I WANNA learn fucking basket weaving? I could figure it out understand it way more. We've you fucking basket. You see my point like there's everyone has a list of things they're curious about. Everything has everyone has a list of things they want to understand more. That can make them better. Take you have at least two more weeks basically to really do that. And then here's what I'll I'll challenge you once those things start to happen and you start to feel like man. Now I'm like I'm encouraged to invest more. Because I understand this. I'm encouraged train and utilize these things. Because I understand it. I'm encouraged like people. Were very curious about the way that I train. How operate why do the lunches over traditional cardio? I love answering these questions. Because then when people understand that they know what I'm about they know about that about that action and I'm about the process of building the metabolic rate. I'm about connective tissue. I'm about meant the mental part of it. Like all of that right once you understand. These things is so powerful so challenge yourself five things you want to know more about. I bet the mother fucking Internet got the answers somewhere it just this morning. It kinda hit me. I was like I'm always constantly doing these types of things but I don't think I've ever really talked about it. I'll write down lists like you know what I had more knowledge in this area. You gotta remember guys. I didn't go to college. Why did for one year but like I had to learn so much more outside from application and mentors in my own self education that like I think maybe I take it super serious because I had to that. Your education doesn't stop when you walk out of high school or when you walk out of college the stuff around your craft the stuff around your hobbies stuff around you as a person at always there and you should scratch it. And if it doesn't h you should create a niche that you gotTA scratch for enjoyment. Take Pride in going a little deeper on certain areas and just be curious in constantly. I'm telling you it just makes you a more well rounded. I think better person because then you start to understand more of what's happening out here especially that are around things that you like so anyway. That was my my main point. Today is that you got time for a couple more weeks. Especially if you're listening to this real time in that you should a list of five ten things that you would like to understand at a deeper level in if you do those things. I really believe you'll see a ton of value in that and that's what we do here. A business him biceps. That's what I WANNA do. Daily fire is make you take away something that you can go input into your life and hopefully will make you better episode. Thirty one constant curiosity. If it's trash turn it off but if it has vow you please share it out for me brought to you by Max. Effort MUSCLE DOT com. And you're listening to the business and biceps network thank you.

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Mark Bell's Saturday School EP. 15 - Draw A Line In The Sand - Make Exercise Your #1 Priority

Mark Bell's Power Project

32:45 min | Last week

Mark Bell's Saturday School EP. 15 - Draw A Line In The Sand - Make Exercise Your #1 Priority

"TASERS. Yo. Yo. It's Saturday school kids. What's going on out there get out your notebooks get ready to go. This is Mark Bell Saturday school welcome to another class. Today's question is coming in from my boy Andrew, my boy Andruzzi. He's got some questions and I think I got some answers and hopefully you guys will find this really helpful and I appreciate Andrew Thinking of Y'all. Andrew Ask a question of. You know a lot of US lift through it. A Lot. Of US utilized Jim. To help with our mental state and by going all in and going deep. And doing that work on how we look on the. Outside. It really helps cook. US. Thoroughly on the inside like a microwave and helps warm up our soul and it helps. It helps preserve us it helps to give us energy in moving forward each and every single day. And so the question is you know, what can we do now? What if things never get back to normal? connor would if what if what if this would have that? You know what if there's a code twenty? I'm not GonNa Talk Too much today about my personal opinions on that. you guys are entitled to Your Own Personal Opinions. I've shared them many many times over. You can listen to the power project and you can get the vibe of. What I'm putting down in terms of my beliefs on covid nineteen and things of that nature, we've done a bunch of episodes on it with Some really high level people that I thought had some really great things to say. in terms of their perspective and their thoughts on covid nineteen. and. What's all going down with that? In this particular time where in some states, some of the gyms are still closed. We live out here in California. And Knowledge the gym's closed and they said, hey, guys can work outside though. If you can figure that out you can work out outside. People like okay. Well, you know it's hot out. It's one hundred fifteen degrees, but we'll figure it out at least we can work out in the morning and when the sun goes down and we can figure out working out. least some hours of the day. And so a lot of people in California adjusted that and they did that. but unfortunately. We've had a lot of fires here. So that has prevented some people. From being able to exercise. I would say It's I shouldn't say it prevented people from exercising it prevented people from going to the gym. And I think that exercising going to the gym are two different things. And I think that you should always stay in touch with exercise. No matter what. Some form of exercise. which just one thing that you can do You don't maybe you can't afford to have a bunch of equipment at your house, a bunch of lifting equipment at your house or maybe just don't have the space for maybe living in an apartment and. You know you just your options are real limited. Those kinds of things kinda stink. But number one I would say work on changing your circumstances that you protect yourself from events such as these. So that's a long term goal. In the interim short term, what are some things you can do? I don't WanNa make this sound too ridiculous but. Could you do wall sits superseded with pushups? Super with walking lunges. Do, you have a wall to slip against. Do, you have a floor to do lunges off of. You have a Florida do push ups off of I recognize that this is not the same as going to the gym because it's you know environment wise. There is other attractive people there and sometimes that gets you to go. There are other people that are in shape and fired up and excited. There are like minded individuals at the gym that sparks you up the guy at the front desk who's going to ask you what you're working for the day. Maybe that gets you motivated for the day You know just maybe you have a workout partner but. Could you. Could you try some of these things? Could you try some bodyweight exercises at home? Can you lift with bands a little bit I. Know Some people have done that already know like man I just don't want to do it anymore. What about getting outside? You know 'cause I know California's burning all the hell but other areas of the country aren't. Could you go run some hills could you go find some stairs to run? Could grab a hold of a friend and say, Hey, let's go do this. Could you go on a walk? Could you ride your bike? The answer is yes. Yes and yes. The answer is yes there is probably if you're to think about it, there's a there's probably a lot more that you can do then that you can't do. and. What I would like to advise to you right now it is ten fifty, four, pm. On Sunday night. And I'm sitting in my car outside outside my house I could very well easy. Just do this for my home. But I wanted to just get outside. It's pitch black out here and weird. And I wanted to go in deep on this and I wanted to give you guys something to chew on and give you something. Good. In what I'M GONNA propose to you is that right here right now you jaw draw line. In the sand and say I'm not surrendering surrounding my exercise for anyone. For anybody. Or for anything fucking ever. and. Here's why. You guys have seen the fuck, your elbow video. You guys have heard me say fuck you and fuck your elbow those of you that haven't seen that the premise behind fuck your elbow is. I said in the video long time ago, pain is coming our way we're all going to die. We will all end up in a wheelchair some day. So with the remaining time that you have on this earth, why not live your life like a fucking savage and continue every single day to put one foot in front of the other and just be a motherfucker. Be a stone cold mother fucking lunatic for yourself and for self-improvement. And? Four personal development? You gotTA protect your space. You have to protect your property and your property your intellectual property is you. And you cannot survive your Ip cannot survive. You cannot pass along your genes. You cannot pass along your ideas he cannot pass along your creations in less you're healthy. And it's your job. It's your obligation to be better than you were yesterday. Do More Be. Do. More be more. Don't try shit do shit. There is no try it's do or do not make a decision. Draw, a line in, the sand. Your fuck and mom is not going to stop you from Lifting Your Dad's not going to stop you from lifting the weather's not going to stop you from lifting. The fires here in California aren't going to stop you from getting in your exercise one way or another intense rigorous exercise. I did say lifting but it doesn't always have to be lifting. I'm just tuned into liftings on always GONNA say lifting. Intense. Rigorous? Exercise. What a cool word. Shit. That's tough. Shit that's hard. Should that maybe just not that easy. Maybe it's not even hard because I've gone over this before I don't really believe in hard work anymore. The reason I don't believe in hard work anymore is because. Things are just a little bit more difficult than they were last time. It's just a challenge. It's a little extra challenging, but is it really hard? Yeah, maybe. Maybe if you WANNA be a pussy about it, it's hard. But it's not really hard. It's hard in comparison to the weak minded. It's hard in comparison to people that have a poor and broke mindset. People have a broke mindset. Even the most successful people oftentimes. Their mind is just a little less broke than everybody else's. But have they reached human potential. Fuck No, they haven't haven't even come close. Any single one of them, anybody that you admire he must Iraq Joe Rogan. Down Trump. These people you would put up on a pedestal that you would. You know think had high level success success I. Mean some of them. They might have to say, yes, I've you know done the most optimal things as much possibly can just because that's their current frame of mind. But they would also have to admit that they're full of shit and that they haven't. And that they fall victim. To. Their. Desires things that. Things that go against the grain I mean think about cheating on your diet. So really that serious right cheating on your diet like as if you're cheating on your spouse that sounds. You know sounds like a pretty. A pretty bad foul, right. But. But we call it that because it's cheating, it's going against the principles that you set up for yourself. And then why do we do that? We do that because we're fallible or human beings we mess up all the time we suck. But can you draw a line in the sand? And Save from this day forward I'm going to continue to figure out a way to be a little bit better than I was yesterday. Let me go over a checklist of that would allow me to do that. How I have a sound mind. How about I have a strong immune system sound mind sound body. How about I become one with my intelligence and the strength that I have about I form. How `Bout I form Oklaho- cohesive. Collaborative. Unit within myself. To. Be As big and as strong as fast and as smart as I can possibly be. because. You are big. You are strong. You are fast you are. You are able to accelerate. In many different fields. You probably just only notice your shortcomings. You probably own only notice where you come up short. You probably only notice the things that you're not good at you. Probably only notice your love handles, but you don't recognize that you got some big triceps. You probably only recognized that your boobs sag when you really have really good traps shoulders. Right. You recognize that your legs or small on your chest is big. You recognize that your lattes need to come up more. When. You're a biceps, triceps and everything else looks pretty good. This is the way we are. We pick ourselves apart. And I just use bodybuilding as slight reference because same thing with powerlifting. Or Olympic lifting. man if I ever figure out the clean. Meanwhile you're really good at snatch meanwhile you really good. Olympic lifting in general. Meanwhile. You're good at front squats get all the things that go into the training of your lifting their training of powerlifting. Man of if I could ever just get this dead lift down. I've always had a bad back. Daedalus always Kinda hurt. But do you know what you're pretty good at bench and and you're pretty good swat? That's cool. You know and can you? Can you be better at something that you're the worst at? That's actually really cool thing in the surprise here. Is that the thing that you're the worst that? You can exponentially be better. At that than you can anything else. Because of the progress progress is how we measure success around here. Remember. That when you're listening to me whether it's on my podcast whether it Saturday school which recorded on a Sunday. Or whether it's Mark Smelly Bells Youtube Channel. Or if it's a super training gym Youtube Channel or you're listening to me on instagram. Wherever, you're listening to me whenever you're listening to me when my voice goes through this microphone that I'm recording this off of and blasts through your head through your headphones or through where rains you're listening to me right now. Understand that this is a mentor ship. That's what I'm here for. I'm here to try to make a positive impact on your life. I'm here to have a positive influence on you not over you. On. You. Because I would love it more than anything if these words meant something to you. And that you decided. To soon, as you hear this right now. They're gonNA fuck and do something about your life. Fuck Cove nineteen. Buck the fires of California. Fuck all the politicians. Fuck with your family members say do what's right for you? And Lean into it as hard as you possibly can. Lean into it with everything you've got you owe it to yourself. This is what it means to be a human being. This is what it means to figure out. Your life purpose will tear life's mission what she here for you know who knows the answer to that? You you know who else knows the answer to that nobody. Not even the smartest people in the world have any fucking clue I human beings are on this earth. We can guess. And the people that believe in God and the people that believe in religion. They'll point to those things say we're here for God. We're here to serve God or whatever it is that they might say, right? They're entitled to believe whatever they want to believe because nobody really knows. It's as good. A guess as anybody else got. But even beyond that, you have to figure out your own purpose. Because without purpose. You're, GONNA say. What's the difference. What's it really matter. Really. Matter. If I read that book, what's IT really matter if I What's it really matter if I never registered to vote Who Cares about what I gotta say. What's it really matter if I don't you know. I don't really want to voice my opinion about that is why would anybody care what? I say what's it matter will sit all four anyway. I think there's a lot of people right now that are hollow walking around without a purpose. And that's what I would say a lot of social media's. People leaning on each other. That's not gonNA go anywhere. That's not going to turn into anything. and. If it turns an thing, it will probably only be bad. Hollow people sharing information with more hollow people and no one ever becomes solid because no one ever figures out what they're fucking purposes which you here for. You can make it up. It's up to you. You get to pick you get to choose. Only you know why you're here. You can make up the dumbest thing that you want your here to bench press six hundred pounds. Okay. Cool. You're in you're on the team. You gave me a purpose. You gave yourself a purpose even more importantly. Pick a purpose. What's IT GONNA BE But you here do. These are the things that need to be associated with you drawn a line in the sand and saying. The you ain't going backwards any further. You're not going backwards anymore. You're not to back up beyond that line ever again. You. Defend your territory, defend your space, defend your property, which is yourself. The things that you earned in life. No one can buy you a perfect body. No one can buy you a sound mind. No one can buy you. Know One can buy you. The. Emotional intelligence that you need. To navigate this world. These are things that you have to figure on your own. You have to grow. To listen to shit like this. You have to listen to certain things on the Internet here and there, and you have to know what not to listen to. One suggestion I'm GonNa make that is not completely related to this show, but is related to the show and every single way. His Go watch the social dilemma on net flicks. Pay attention to it because. Your mind is being molded by. All the different influences that you're seeing. Via Social Media and I'm not talking about the influencers on there because the influence influence on there for the most part are probably one of the healthy healthiest darn things that's on their. Times. Our interpretation of those influencers sometimes isn't great and sometimes there's not always the greatest influencers or leaders but for the most part, those things are fairly benign and fairly healthy. But the dangers of social media and dangers of what gets pitched to you and what doesn't get shown to you. Is Dangerous because it's GONNA concrete these kind of ideas and thoughts that have been circulating in your head. as they track you more and more and they they understand you more and more you're going to get more and more locked into these ideas and principles, and you're gonNA married to these ideas and once you're married to him, it's hard to divorce him. It's hard to back out of them. It's hard to be a free thinker any further? You won't have you'll lose that ability. He'll become old real quick. You know the old guy who's you know stubborn right? He set in his ways why is set why he set in his ways? Well, 'cause. He's seen it before you seen the thousand times what's happening to us? We're seeing stuff thousand times. you know maybe in a day you know or maybe in a week rather than a thousand times over the course of twenty years or whatever it might be. Anyway. To get back on topic, we've keep ourselves strong. At this time we got to keep our immunity strong. So. In the era of. This virus floating around. And in this time period. Take Your Vitamin D. Vitamin. D three is not even really a vitamin hormone. Get outside and Sun. Each. Your stake, each your eggs. You could buy eggs from the store that are loaded with Omega threes and also loaded with Vitamin D. You can drink depending on your nutritional plan. You can drink milk that's fortified with Vitamin D. a lot of times whole fat dairy products. We'll have great amounts, vitamin. D and a lot of things that have calcium. We'll also have vitamin D things like yogurt, cottage, cheese, and things of that nature. These are all things that are going to really keep your immune system. Sean. You may WANNA, eat an orange here in there to get some vitamin C. You may want to supplement some vitamin C. either are all things that they might just assist. They might just help get outside for walk because that's GONNA keep. The mind. And the body running at full speed. When you walk. It's going to get your mind going probably more so than your body, but it's also good for your metabolism. We'll help to up some calories. Running can be fantastic. What about trying to get a runner's high. You know if you're if running is tough for you. Try. Like. A run walk. But start to develop some principles and ideas of what you're going to do for your nutrition. I can tell you right now that eating Eating. A lot of carbohydrates and eating a lot of junk food. I shouldn't say a lot of carbohydrates eating a lot of highly processed foods. Is. Probably going to be the least beneficial thing that you can do in this time because you're probably going to already be Kinda sad and depressed because you're probably most likely not having the opportunity to move around as much as you wanted to. I know that other states I've been in other states and they don't seem to have the same. Tough restrictions on cove nineteen That we have here in California. at the MOA and there's some other areas that have that still have some strict rules going on I'm starting to see some gyms opening up. in certain areas, kinda throughout the country but. Even. With all being said, like will this surge up again you know will. Yeah probably. Because the media is going to focus on it and testing will get easier, and so they'll test more kind of test more and more in the cases will rise up. But. If you're healthy ever strong immunity. Are, not a doctor. However, you have pretty much zero to worry about when it comes to yourself. If you're healthy. Have a strong immune system. So just take you know try to take care of yourself. TRY TO TAKE CARE? Of yourself train hard. Have Fun find things that make you happy. What make you happy. You know how important being happy is and being excited and having a good laugh is. Think about the different things you choose think about where you spend your time. When you watch a movie, you get a Cha a choice to pick a movie on that. Flex. What's the movie that you pick? Is it one that's going to give you a bunch of shitty news or did you. Choose to watch impractical jokers. Or did you choose to watch a comedy? That's one thing I really admire about my kids loved about my kids. They're always watching something really stupid. They always watch something. They just WanNa Watch stuff that makes them laugh. So watch impractical jokers over and over and over again even though I think they've seen every episode. And before that, they used to watch spongebob and after that, they used to watch family guy. Kids pretty much grew up on family guy. I don't know if that's a good idea or not but that's that's what they that's what they do. Maybe. We should be more like that. Maybe we should be more like little kids. That's my nephew ham bone does too. He watches spongebob all the time. As a kid, I watched bugs bunny all the time and even as an adult when my kids watched bunge Bob when hand bone watches spongebob I watched spongebob rhythm because Spongebob is fucking awesome and he makes me laugh what if things make you laugh? You know lift every day. Laugh every day. Love. Every. Day. And learn every day. You know get get some of those elves in there. Lift learn, love. Get that Shit in there. Most of that when I said, lift. Learn. Love. You guys will know what it is anyway. These things are really important. You know it's really it's really important that you. make these things a priority. So hopefully. Hopefully, today's show was helpful to you. Hopefully, you understand what I'm talking about. But. I do think it's important that we take our health very seriously and that we communicate to family members, we communicate look anyone can do anything they want of Covid nineteen year old you're allowed to have whatever view you want it. You're allowed to be as scared about as you'd like. You're also as loud to not give a damn about it and not watch any news that's all up to you. And you're entitled to that and if you're seventy five years old maybe you a reason to be on high alert. But these people that are sixty, five, seventy, five years old. These are people that we need to communicate with and say, Hey, you know what? Like? You can't eat like. You don't seem to care about yourself because you smoke, and so I'm I I have a question for you. By you so concerned over. covid nineteen. If you're not normally valley valuing your day to day life as it is anyway because it appears. From. What I've seen from watching you eat like Shit Villa last twenty years. Just, an observation that I made in appears you don't really care about your health. and about your livelihood. I think they just don't think anything's ever going to come of it. Well something has there's a virus floating around and there's a price to pay. For All the crappy eaten a lot of people been doing. For All. The crappy decisions that people make in a given day you can take pride in taken in making better decisions you can take pride entreat in. Teaching, your relatives. You can take pride in teaching your relatives about this situation that we're in. He could say what if you started to eat a little bit better? And Lost I've helped people lose twenty pounds, thirty pounds forty pounds. Fifty pounds. During this situation that we're in Are they healthier. Are they going to be less likely to help my mother-in-law Mellon mother-in-law? Her off of a lot of her diabetic medication. About two months before. Cova ever really hit. And last year when I did operation get less fighters which will be coming up again here soon as we get closer to October. But it operation get less fodder. So he starts in October did October November December and even January January is world carnivore month. and I did carnivore one hundred before this thing really ever. Blasted off, I mean, as I, got closer to that hundred days. You guys should be watching that stuff on my Youtube Channel One hundred days. I filmed every single day for one hundred days. Showed you house able to stay healthy and stay in good shape throughout the whole. The whole thing. But that the beginning of that hunter days. You know you're seeing the all over the place I traveled everywhere. was at San Francisco Forty niners games out a couple of their playoff games was all over the place I was in different states and. I can't remember the whole the whole shopping, but I was all over the place and it ended with us being in this predicament that we're in. So I, drew a line in the sand. A long time ago. And, decided. I'm going to be my own person. Going to be autonomous. I'm. GonNa move. And groove and make decisions and choices on my own. Even though I am a married man. I still am going to always put myself I put myself in the best possible position that I can. So, that I can then from there checking on everybody else. What can I do to protect serve what kind of due to love Milo wife more today How can I love her more today? How can I show her? That can't sure that? If I'm fucking dead. So I need to figure out ways to stay in healthy ways of staying strong. I. Feel Like I. Do that every single day with my diet with my sleep with my nutrition. With my hydration with choosing not to drink. I probably been on a good thirty forty days of drinking which I don't really drink much any way. But for those that do drink. fucking get rid of it. You, need it for you need it. Now, you don't need it. You just want it. It's just a distraction. But remember I said earlier you know how optimal or even the best people in the world not very. How optimal you right now Probably. Even worse than that, right? Can you make yourself more optimal? How can you be better than you were yesterday if you were already doing pretty good. Well. I. Gave You one idea just a couple of seconds ago. Cut out alcohol. Cut Out tobacco. Cut Out Smoking Pat. Roland do. Base. Right. There, Yo. I'm Outta here because I need to get my ass to bed Today was a great day of football I want got opportunity to watch a lot of NFL football games. I'm glad that football is back. It's always super lonely when there's no football season going on. If you enjoyed this, if you got something from this please let me know. Let. Me Know exactly will you enjoyed the most about this? Strength never weakness weakness never strength and you can do so by hitting up my boy Andrew on Mark Bells Power Projects on instagram. Go hit. Hit Up. Andrew. 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Nutrition For Strength Sports with Dietitian Harriet Walker

Body Science Podcast Series

47:21 min | 1 year ago

Nutrition For Strength Sports with Dietitian Harriet Walker

"Today. We have Harry walk in the house. How I very well. Thanks, Greg today. We're to talk about something very close to you. And you Trish, infra strength sports. Yeah. That's my forte should give a shoot. Well. Are you a strength athlete, Greg? I love lifting stuff tabula. This is for you. Then everyone listen. Welcome to the body sides podcast bringing you everything you need once and should know about health, fitness, nutrition and training as always the inflammation, put causes the nation purposes only, and he's not designed to diagnose to treat prevent or many any injury disease or other health related condition. Then the fat and beat the muscles with this high protein, low carb low that based tasting daily protein powder. Hydroxy burn lean five hundred teams are released in a sustained Khanna logical order, therefore, maintaining the different absorption rates fast, and slow ensuring constant muscle rules. They used eight bit happy and healthy. Synergistic blend. Also includes seventeen vitamins and minerals added connotation and a proprietary blend digestive enzymes digits on and Dharavi prebiotics digestive help welcome to body. Science HQ the world of fit happy healthy today. Harry Walker registered dietitian registered sports. Nutritionists. Everyone's go crush at the moment. Paypal digging UB time getting lots of good feedback on what you do here in podcast wars. And what you're doing face to face for us. Look good. Hey, Greg would hairs that what's about? Well, why weren't guy about? Let's talk about nutrition for strength sports. Yes. Fantastic. I'm going to throw this wrought out. Why are we discussing this? Well, this time of year, it tends to be a pretty hot topic because we're coming. Into Ona-led seasons. A bodybuilders powerlifters Jong PayPal all getting set for onnell's and a few weeks time. And we've also got nationals coming up for all the different strengths bowls in the first half of the year. It's a really important topic. I think you know, I'm seeing a lot of my clients now covering this stuff off. But also, I mean there is a big increase in the pay the amount of people taking up strength sport. And I think is kind of important to sit of make the differentiation between like nutrition for bodybuilding say versus nutrition for strength sports, where training might be a little bit different that the acknowledged string sports nutrition solder throw, it's not it's not. And I think, you know, a lot of people move from bodybuilding into strength sport. And sometimes we get stuck in sort of bodybuilding fakest when really when we're looking athletic, performance and strength sport. There are a few little differences that we need to kind of make people aware of so it's topic. So it's not a one size fits all concept. Certainly not. So when we're looking at strengths bullets where I'm I'm kind of talking about Olympic lifting. We're looking at strong man, strong woman. We're looking at Powell ifting, we're looking at even cross fit to an extent. Obviously there's a bit of a hybrid in there with cross fit. However, anything where you know, the the focus is on maximal lifting and not so much on a six long duration of time. That's kind of what we're looking at when we're looking at strength sports, still suitable for my father dia week, functional China. Absolutely. I think there's a component of white lifting. It's important. I suppose understand what goes in to building muscle. And especially in the world where you know, dieting, and restrictive eighteen behaviors appears to be the key, which you know, I put a lot to say about that. But we want to make sure that people are actually eighteen adequately in order to make the most of their training as well. So less is not more when it comes to strength sports knows. So what are the characteristics of a strength athlete? What are you looking for when someone walks in? Well, I think there's I mean, the good thing about strength, sports, ease is not like anybody can be a strength athlete. You don't have does not necessarily a specific body type obviously levers people within a short legs long arms and normally pretty good deadly. But for the my spot, you know, we can be working with anybody to make a mistake theft light the one thing that I think attracts people after bodybuilding say two strikes, by sports is the fact that you don't lane nece is not necessarily a K attribute or even advantages in the same way that it is for bodybuilding or for like, endurance sport. And with endurance sport riding running swimming. They'll as little anything like it doesn't matter. If it's the muscle all fat, the as long as you carry as little as possible on your body, the foster you're gonna go. Whereas yeah in strength sports. Can you wanna be carrying as much mass as possible functional mass and even extra fat mass? In some cases, is is mass moves mass. So lateness is not so much big deal muscle mass Steph. A big deal. So we're looking at a high muscle, mass and strength athletes. We wouldn't be out to build the capacity to move the the white, you know, there's white classes in a lot of strengths bullet so Olympic lifting powerlifting. Strongman dial have a component in the more advanced competitions. I have the the white classes. So we are talking a little bit about nutrition for string sport. But we can also I think we'll do another podcast another day about acute white loss for strength sports. So like making white essentially, that's a whole other kettle of fish. But basically long and short if you're interested in lifting up, heavy things meant feeling fit and strong. Then strength sport. You know, anyone can turn themselves into a strength athlete, and with your strength athlete coming to see. You know what I mean? Obviously you lift heavy you do a lot. What are you compete in? I'm about to compete in the annals, which is good Saudi strongmen strong, lady throng lady trainings had to explain. Yeah. Meeting strongmen mums, what long story essentially, I've got a background in bodybuilding. I've done a lot of insurance sport as well. So rowing and rowing, but yet the strength by split some I miss, Mikey. So I ended up talking about this to a lot of people. So do you when you talk about Whitelaw subsea people talk about being in a long time? Russia Lawton that's struggling actually audition. Once I've tried everything. Do you have the same thing with strength athlete nutrition a little bit? I think there's a bit of a transition. If you started a strength by sport coming from another school like it might be insurance running or it might be bodybuilding whatnot. There is a bit of a paradigm shifts that needs to happen for people on disdaining that like these days as every week. There's a new white loss diet on the market. But the the good thing about sharing. I think is the message is not about being as smallest possible, which is a really nice and positive message. I mean, it's a contrast vote for women not want to be smaller. We actually we're trying to get big airing some. Instances in and you don't have to be huge to weightlift, obviously, it's actually having a conversation about not restricting your diet is actually reversing the conversation and encouraging people to be aiding adequately in order to be able to perform place. So it can actually freak people at quite a bit. When I first come to say me and then looking at putting on some lane muscle mass. Actually, the extra calories. I get to eight but you'll find very quickly that people are pretty happy about doing that after a while. Yeah. It is. And when you look at the physiological demands on the body in order to build lane muscle mass. You becomes pretty apparent pretty quickly depending on where you're starting from that econ- get anywhere eating less. We need to be adding in and you need to be focusing on your diet in order to you know, if you're going to the gym putting in a lot training you wanna be backing up with you nutrition. So when an athlete comes to you who's looking at like, a strength athlete. What are some of the goals looking at what what things you addressing when it comes into tradition? Well, they would be just wanna various at a top level perspective, there'd be three mangoes that. I'm looking at in terms of strength sports nutrition. I want to be out to promote the muscular adaptations fancy word. I want to be able to make sure that the people are going to the gym that doing the work, and I can back up that work with proper nutrition. So we want to make the most of those add up that they are stimulating in the gym mount we wanna make sure that there have enough of the building blocks to build to build that. Muscle after their training session. And we also want to make sure that they have enough energy in the tank to be out to do the session. So we're looking at you know, died I wake to wait. But we're also looking at that Perry training before offer training during training magazine looking during training nutrition, potentially potentially. And we can we can so talk about intra training nutrition at later in the in the podcast. So essentially we want to make pit show people going in fueled. So they can do the session and they can go hard enough. And this is probably step one of paradigm. She if people actually start realizing that if they've been doing like fostered cardio if they've been doing hit sessions where the the goal is being burning calories. Died aren't necessarily feel strong wing though sessions because the goal is. You know, it might have been in the past to lose weight. Whereas this time we're going into a training session with the goal of maxing out that session, so performances decay. We want to be out of push his heart as possible because if we can't push back maximum. In a session. We aunt necessarily going to be at a stimulate the adaptation, we're not going be at a stress the body enough to get a change if I'm half arcing trying I'm not going to be a push my body to the point where it goes. Ooh. Wanting to change whereas we need to be at a fuel. So that I can push my body enough to go that was too hard on to be better next week. And that sort of kick starts the adaptation the muscle growth. I'd uptaken after trainings. Like, I say we're looking for change when using food and there's a lot of NGO involvement. What systems are we looking at with strength for the fuel mix? Yeah. Absolutely. So I mean when you look at powerlifting like the lifters only like two three four seconds depending on Halloween say caffeine. What's going on? Thin. Caffeine is always an issue when we're looking at those shorts at our foster Jin systems when we're doing short sharp leaf spot when we move into strongmen we could be going up to a minute. And sometimes we're going into that sort of more likely glycolysis in those decisions, but just want explain what that is for the people that are that might not. Yeah. So when we're looking at energy systems, you know, what the short shop, we're using the energy that's stored in our muscles, immediately and that lost about ten seconds. And then as we go through sort of more glycolysis with a little bit more into us to burn as energy. We might be that sort of the more, endurance based. And then we'll go sort of middle ground where we're using a little bit of glucose from our a lot stream and muscles. And we're also using a little bit of oxygen to release energy as well. So when we're working with strength athletes, we awaking timeframes of anywhere from two seconds to get the bar up. If the nice quickly, but we also want be working up to a minute. So we need to sort of look at energy systems a little bit. When it comes to strength sports. We diet Nate. Necessarily be fuelling in the same way that we would endurance athlete where you know, blockage. In depletion is a possibility after I've ninety minutes of continuous movement about we also want to make sure that the athlete has enough fueling the tank when probably going to be burning out glac gin in a white lifting session, but we're going to feel pretty uncomfortable doing maximum lifts, and it takes three to five minutes to actually recover from a maximal leaf on one RAM, right max. So we're looking at that stuff when it comes to strength by sports. So what are you what type of things are you looking at from the training perspective? If someone comes in and says, I'm strength athlete. I'm doing this ABCD, what type of things you looking for look, obviously, they come to you because fatigue driver is that is that where we're at here. I mean, I mean, it's the fatigues of big one especially going into a new training regime. I think for people that aren't quite understanding. They've never done a strength program before it can be quite a show. Not because I mean again when you're doing endurance space like a hit session or cardio. Oh session. You get that fade back straightaway. You get like as soon as you finish the session comes on whereas with white lifting you might not feel sweaty and gross all the time. Like, he might be doing ten rips. In addition on a big big heavy day. But the fatigue afterwards is definitely something that people feel and it can take them actually longer to recover from a strength by session when I finish a cardio session, lack once my heart writes back down to normal. I might have done a little bit of damage, but I've recovered fairly quickly. Whereas because of the extent of the damage the muscle, you know, in a white session wake getting a little bit more of a cumulative effect of fatigue across a training session way. And so I mean when we're looking at fatigue, we want to like with strength sports. The, you know, the ability to produce four it really beat pot course. Yes, that's a critical part of it. As we say people go through the wake their ability to if not fuelling properly their ability to produce that what was becomes limited. And that's normally do to sort of a cumulative. Effect fatigue across the wake. So if we're not taking looking at out pice training for fuelling that's going to become more and more parent as I go. So I'm not sure if this is a silly question, but say someone is suffering from what you you just talked about that. So they do feel out the next day is instant comeback where we add like what is there any research in relation to the continuity of that nutrition program versus a quick backup. They've really is very on that I wouldn't know any studies at the top of my head, but in terms of being able to recover adequately definitely going to be a benefit if you are consistent with getting carbohydrates to replenish, whatever energy that you might have used in that training session. Adequate prochaine spread out distributed across the day Aven late because we're not just recovering in the hour after a training session where recovering in the twenty four forty eight hours Tyke assistive allow your muscle to remodel to grow. And all that kind of geek repair the damage that Spain Don consistency with nutrition pice training, Walser anabol-. Like window gig. He's not necessarily gospel. It definitely isn't important here. Eight in the you know, the hour two hours after training, but we also for a strengthening we need to be looking twenty four hours lack around the clock, essentially, making sure that again with got that sort of adequate energy in order to grow the muscle adequate protein in order to build the building blocks for muscle and also that we're resting as well. So you can't necessarily get away with the same amount of sessions unless it's the program that you're doing specifically designed to overage we can't get away with over aging as much as we can we say cardio when we're looking at strength athletes. So what happens to us either way for training, essentially, I mean, we're building up that sort of lean muscle. So when we when we do a training session. It's sort of too hard where sort of causing that sort of micro tastes in the muscle and body has to sort of up regulate the sales like the I suppose the Salem material in order to build more lean muscle mass. And that means that next time we come back, we've increased the capacity of the muscle. Lift more. And also we've got that urological adaptation so that bodies actually used to recruiting that many muscle fibers in order to lift heavier. So we've kind of got two things going on. We've got the actual physical growth of the muscle. But we've also got that neurological adaptation to training whereby we're able to recruit more efficiently, you know, we're about to recruit a lot more muscle fibers to lift that as well. So it's a technique thing. Just as much as it is a an actual physical capacity to to lift more. But as we go through a training program, we'll be sort of building wake upon wait with those certitude thing. And there's a little bit of cardiovascular fitness involved in in in waist training. I think people kinda miss that as well. I mean, they always the joy among the strong folk is, you know, anything anything more than five reps cardio. And you do if you killing anyone who refutes that? I I would say that differently. There's a competitive cardio. So just why we're touching on the during training fatigue. What about hard-drive is just as important as a food for a string thong? Absolutely, absolutely. When you look at the composition of muscle, fiber. I mean, I from fatigue perspective, we know that we get a little bit of fatigue on when hot properly hydrated cognitive function is not as good. But I'll muscle is relaxed component of water in the muscle. So we want to be making sure that hydration levels hydration across the board with sports nutrition. You know, it can't be missed by many people. But when we look at the composition of the muscle, fiber. It makes sense that if it's a body that quickly hydrated that we're going to be performing better as well. So yeah, definitely wanted to tick off ensuring that adequate hydration across the dice dotting that I hydrated, but also going to training sessions. I tried it as well. And the characteristics of strength athletes sport is what Hemi three seven sessions week. Well, it depends. Yeah. Absolutely. So I mean, the depends on the top of lifting you're doing we say like a body buildings. You know, looking at it like upper body low body split it with might be splitting up the body. Into different muscle groups at tends to be a little bit different was I like powerlifting strong. Men Olympic lifting. You'll do your main lifts like he might you compound leaves. And then there might be a little bit of accessory work towards the end. But you might be doing as little as stray sessions awake. You'd still be able to get some good runs on the board. And especially for people who busy knowing that. You can only do you know, if you can only do three sessions, we can get some good runs on the board coming into competition or you might be doing a phase of overload. You could be training up a sort of seven sessions awake. Some people to ten sessions awake. Depending on how hard core you are. But again modulating nutrition, according to how many times a Wiki train as well. So this is one we can implement training day nutrition versus rest nutrition as well and shaking up a little bit with that. It depends on the type of lifting that you doing Olympic lifting this the again, the K lifts for Olympic lifting snatch Clinton, and they'll always be the sort of accessory work, but it might be more work up front, and then some some lot of stuff during the week, or you know, depending on how your training session is split up. But then with like a cross. Athlete diarist their strength athlete. It's important that I can move white quickly. However, they need to balance it out probably will carefully then to the other lift is as well because they've got so many modalities that they need to try to cross the nutrition will will vary greatly as well. And generally just sort of a calories thing as well. So I just maintaining a neutral position hair it like, obviously the best daughter to follow his Kato. Con of life. Let's be honest diet. Oh, wow. That's gonna get some height is obviously you thinking bagan we're gonna throw out left. And right. What is like vegan carnival? Kate wear them pilot. What am I doing here on strength athlete? What show who shall be watching? What are we looking at Trish? Thank you should look at Instagram feed Tricia advice, you should find an influence with at least a million, followers and look out for the hash tag. You're a couple of short of a million. But what's why we go you what is your Instagram? So I'm at athletic aiding and look to be honest with you. I'm not I'm not that prolific. So I'm my ads Heche ads on as prolific. But you know, hoping that Mikhail. Good. Why thank you very hot on that deal. If look speaking lifting heavy would just add in the middle for Harriet here, like if need to Dr tuition that can lift what you did lift, well, I'm working around the one thirty five one forty at the moment, which I have to say amongst my Strom lady friends is a bit like this week. Actually, however, it does sound impressive at general population. Potties number was a big number for me. Absolutely. I'm pressings at have sixty sixty five ahead at the moment, which is young shoulders. Well, this Arnold's prep Israeli shoulders poppin haven't done this in Hawaiian. So might have to widen the doorways he actually through. Embarrassing. Let's talk nutrition. What does it tight to build extra muscle? Well, let's three K things that we are looking at when it comes to building muscle. And it's pretty simple, and then we can build the pit of information into this. But essentially, you need solid training stimulus. So you need to be training in a manner that actually, you know, Rex you enough for your body to want to change we need to make sure that we have adequate protein intake, so pertain building being the building blocks of muscle. And then we need adequate appeal number there, we can look at. So I mean general population the recommendation is around zero point eight grams per kilo of body white Daintree city this on service sitting down doing much. That's probably fine stand up people. Go for walks absolutely right now. Go for this podcast spot for us wrong PayPal, depending on training aids and training volume. I'm normally heating around the one point five to two grams per kilo body white pertain if I've got somebody who's doing a white cotton. And I want them to maintain their lane muscle. Mass. But I'm kind of calories a little bit. Unfortunately, poor thing we are probably looking at bumping it up. Just to we bit up to maybe two point five to three grams. That's that's fairly extreme. And that's what a protein to be eating like, it's actually quite hard for people to get that in by that sort of preservation of lean muscle. Mass cynical deficit does require that higher amount of protein be consumed. But yeah, so one point five two twos. Normally good one at one point five is very doable to starts becoming a little chicken thought it helps it all helps. Because again, it's so important to the big of build muscle. What you can I just said chicken, it'd be any protein source. So I oh also encourage people to go for a variety of protein sources, so Elaine mates eggs dairy wipe, retain, I find shakes. I have to include a lot more frequently when I am doing a bit of a white cod or fi doing a heavy training session because I do find it hard to eight simplicity. Yeah. Absolutely. And yes, very up a little bit as well. Again, you mentioned why. I'm just picking your brain heat from sports suffering point of view. Yes. Not a wake Hossain bland y-. You definitely a white person after a string session, all to be honest with you. I think the the difference between using obviously there is a slot of delay in absorption with Casey, and it's a slower absorbing, retain, and what's important here to get some quickly. Get it all in quickly where we are. Bution is probably the most important seeing rather than speed as long as if you think about like, your Maino acid pool only eight protein, it gets broken down into amino acids, and those amino acids of the individual building blocks and went on to build a protein in my buddy. I'm also might be like your body, I need to I've just done away lifting session, and we need to get we need to enhance the capacity of that muscle. Phoenix time. So the body will call upon the amino acids that are, you know, the the components of lean muscle mass and use those amino acids to build muscle, if we're low in even one of those amino acids, it means that that whole process is slowed up. So by ensuring that we have adequate pulses of protein across the day Mainzer at any time, we can be cooling up, you know, from pulling for Maino acid pool to build pertains in body. So distribution is probably the most important part timing becomes more important if you are in a calorie deficit if you cutting wide or if you body build or whatever that's when timing is. More critical, but for the most part aiding regular meals, whether it's four to seeks meals per day that comes down to personal preference hitting the I think zero point three grams per kilo of body weight per meal would be the recommendation based off racer ch- by somebody who I cannot remember. But we'll put a link below this week and go and have a look at it at body come very for slash podcast. I sit so you mentioned earlier on touch on this because I know you talking about it the anabolic window, you mentioned that before like, you potentially have a lot of new people going brought to you soon. What's the guy with that? Like back in the all day. It was all about that thirty to forty minutes off to try and twenty if you're really not one percent on. So I remember reading the name of the book, but it was probably one of my fists like bodybuilding books. I read like fish union. I was like, yeah. This is the bible I'm going to make sure I have my protein shake as I'm walking out the door. Otherwise, my thing is going to be slammed in the book. We know it will be closed. You know, when we training pice training, the tends to be a sheaf in the body's machinery. A cellular machinery, then says we're ready to make some changes in that post training periods. So the body is it in a hot and stint state for change. So we've got, you know, the the cells ready to take up nutrients a little bit more so in that post training period so getting nutrition in and recovering from that session is super important because we've got a little bit of a competitive advantage in that Allah also off to training. So it's not a completely defunct theory is just it's not as important as critical as if I haven't adequate diet across the day. I by myself a little bit of leeway with that anabolic window so toss. Okay. So talking Tommy if I'm down a bit at eight o'clock had a fate at six and I'm getting up at five o'clock in the gym and doing a apparel session. Yup. I have an eight and before I go, naughty, naughty. Look economy depends. If that's something that you do habitually body gets used to that. Okay. So it probably does come down to personal preference and habit. It's always going to be ideal to get protein around training that message doesn't really change. And also, we're looking at that, I may know acid pool. You wanna be make sure that those substrates ready to build as required you going into a training session ready to go hod. If you a mildly fasted, I would say, look if if that's what you do. Then it's probably fine. Could you be doing better? Maybe I mean, that's an annoying answer. But I would always say someone removed the fence post I'm sitting on at greater you can't move it. But you know, I think it's important to sort of go. Hey, what's what's the goal? He I am I trying to I or am I trying to build lean muscle mass, and, you know, most of the racist and Meister the evidence is pointing towards the fact that going into a training session with a fuel tank that he's full is going to be more beneficial than trying to stress your body. That little bit more by being fasted. That's kind of where that's kind of where the end is that more is more impairing. This could be a really stupid question. What topic macro is we running strength athlete program. I just our navy wants different get. Hyphen that fence up. Okay. I've been the guy again personal preference is a big one I always start with protein intake, and we touched on it just before. So when I'm putting to their plan for somebody. I'm for my first Puerta call is figuring. How many calories is currently having? How many calories does I need to have training load volume frequency data? Then I I I up is with macaroni protein, so making sure that they heating that one point five two grams a particular body would pertain festival so in terms of percentages. I don't really use up because that can get caught skewed. According to actually how many calories person is eighteen. So I'd normally go off Granville Vic buddy, white, then I'd be looking at Cobb hydrate intake, some people enjoy a higher cop diet, and I would say for the mice pod. If you working with athletes, and yet that's gonna be the mice. Appropriate course attack. Strengthens leaves are however like when not maxing out o'clock, gene, all the time. So we can probably four to be slightly lower Cobb than say, an endurance athlete. So that's what we can have a little bit of wiggle room. If somebody's on a low, carb dot I won't be preferencing. Kaaba hydrates around that training, and it might be as sort of life some people as to two point five grants for kilo bodyweight, which is is quite low. If somebody who's active bought for somebody who's trying to gain white Massu amassing cycle kind of put on some muscle. We might be putting them up to five six seven eight nine ten grams Piccolo body, white depending on how big the person is. But, you know, having worked with some people who are sort of sitting up at the hundred nine hundred twenty kilos I love making nice meal plans because it Justice solo grump over so many good calories. Yes. The heavyweight and where are you at with fat? And then as far as once, I've got carbs, fats, carbs and proteins disorder down. I'm looking at fat intake. Absolutely. I it's it's important macronutrients of microbes avodon absorption, but also from a hormonal perspective really important to have adequate protein that are adequate fat intake to ensure sort of the athlete is home only healthy. And you know, we can say during a white Kat. You know, fat ease the macaroni trend that has calories in it. And that that's the. One that tends to get dropped. Because of that fact, I ended the chicken and lane lane maids, but we wanna be insuring or, you know, rule of thumb would be somewhere around one gram minimum Picula what he white bought that can be upwards, depending on the calorie budget at the person, and you digging into the fat taught at absolutely we wanna make sure that I get into it too hard to bonus with you by encouraging people to eight real food whole foods. And then when that happens it looking at the quality of the the the fat, and we do a good putt cost on fats, which we could probably circle back to for people who want to find out more about that time one. I once I tried paulie onsite tried fats. Oily fish, not Said's avocado. Those sorts one's going for. We are going to get some fats for mayton as well. They'll be a little bit of saturated fat in that. But as long as a variety there and they're eating mainly whole foods. I don't think you can go to wrong with the fat profile. There's probably a lot more information that could go into that. But probably just for the sake of simplicity. He today whole foods varieties. Pro the K for that. And head of the macro defer to. To say the ninety eight Jim world where the crews doing six sessions minimum awake. The monitoring performance pushing limits doing team events around all that out of your traditional strength athlete. If you're just doing straight strength. Powerlifting. You might be doing four sessions away. You've got a good amount of time to recover from them. Not looking at running marathons doing a scape. You know, whatever in between. There's quite a big difference. I would really be looking at preferencing carbohydrates and protein and obviously fats in there as well. But I'm insuring that having adequate carbohydrates to actually fuel those training sessions because some of them an hour, forty five minutes. Oh, absolutely. When you look at someone like Kelly cat, he'll Yod's training legend absolute legend, huge huge volume and to be out. Oh, sort of back up you need to be resting you need to be aiding. Because otherwise, you know, you're not you're not when we talk about training adaptations you. You're cutting yourself short in terms of the adaptations, you can get if you think about trying to put an extension. On the house when we're doing exercise we all wanting to build lean muscle mass, which requires more bricks, but we also want that cellular adaptation for looking specifically at the ninety eight so decisions they looking at salia adaptations, increasing Monaco Andrea, which are the energy oxygen powerhouses of the sale. They want to build muscle. But I also want to build the capacity of the sale when making sure that they having adequate Kaba hydrates and total calories protein to recover from there as well. So when we're doing so I suppose that would come on a problem more cross Fatih style. Although I love you sign that the state you're trouble stike will they bring it back with stake in because then I'm on a few stakes in multi modality training. We'll call it. You know, you have to pay attention to you New Delhi training. So do you look after Kate you do her? We have worked together told you. Yes. Yes. I mean, I'm on us talking about it for a second. But keta vegan athlete. Yes. She is. So how do you get round what she's doing? She's got a couple of world records on the how head you get round hood. Doi from vegan perspective because you've focused heavily on proteins, a key thing here in relation to strength athletes. What are you doing? I'm gonna get crucified for saying vegans Senate protein. That's not what I'm saying. How are you addressing that with because she's not just doing the sessions issues she's off swimming running and going she she she's not really think about it. The weapon I should say seven minute to k then roll over and do a hundred and fifty kilo dead leaf. That's pretty impressive. So so what are you doing for? What have you to discuss? I should say we've talked about the tops of protein where she gets pertained from, you know, not Said's we use the clain pertain as well. As the vacant pertain the Boswell separating again, just NAMA Jack O the claim boss they claimed with snack. But I'm also looking at Kaba hydrates around a training yet, the protein intake is probably the one that we're looking at like you say the mice possibly micronutrients as well. Because I n b twelve I make is I make sure as our with the K ones that we're looking at challenging on a big dog. You just have to be more diligent as no worries with being a vague enough late and total energy intake as well. And just making show. She has the capacity to do what she does best and looking at her goals for the year, and I suppose period ising nutrition accordingly. So for a little bit more energy at some stages through the year, and then we can he's back on the energy intake and gopher a bit more of adaptation phase and other. Areas of the year as well. So with vegans vegetarians, it's it's just being aware of what you might be missing out on from sp- certain food groups and just being across way can get those sources from an where you might need to use some smart supplementation and standing behind her someone like tune who's carnival or the moment. How do you deal with do kids? Dr tics, how do you oversee? You didn't you don't wanna suggested he should do carnival? How do you work with cave on his performance in relation to when he's eating carnival? Well, that's odd. Want into that? Great question. So main Kevin have cut ties. Your out care, but he's kept using cobs at certain times around certain performance space stage. I don't think he I think he's doing the experimentation that sort of sorry at sort of now he's experimenting with carnival but gates a fairly meat heavy door. And then the message is the same like when we Hayes probably pitchers to each other may chopping top of stuff. Stake up look. Thing like that's going to be an element of adaptation to anybody who's reduce the Coppola hydra in tech. So he's probably become more efficient at utilizing fats and pertaining some cases as energy. So if that's the case, you know, hypothetically speaking, you know, taking on a lower Cobb dot you will add up to that. And your body will up regulate the machinery and the sale that utilizes fat is energy same with keta genetic. It's the same with any other sort of lacob style of aiding. So yeah, essentially, look if that's sort of the there's probably a period of two three months without securing. I o all still full back and say that Kaba hydrates if you wanna go fast, you wanna go on cobbs, but you can't adapt. So I'm not saying that it's completely impossible for an athlete to be fast. If they doing alert cop die, and that's not the case, we do have those people who appear to be like Holly, functional. So there are any qu'ils one out there. But for the most part in terms of performance, we see that lacob Mont be something that you'd utilize. Is during adaptation phase to stress the body at that little bit extra. So that once he adding the Kaaba hydrates, you're more efficient there is some evidence, especially sort of by Louis Burke, who showing that we might actually be impairing I'll use of carbohydrates by buying going like Cobb rather than adopting to it. So, you know, we want to look at what do you want your dot look at look like long term. And if they're Akaba hydrates in your future. I would I would wonder if might be beneficial to at least ensure that you are able to process them because we do against that down regulation of the machinery or associated with Gaba hydrate utilization. Once we stopped using it because it's no it's not required in the body. And also would probably save a bit of a change, you know, bacteria profile, and I've got accordingly as well. Because you know, the would be starving out those sort of the Kaaba hydrates loving wolf, the bacteria that are more societas with sort of a fibrous diet as opposed to a non fiber kind of diet. So if you long term, you know, your goal is to eight of 'em Nivose, diet ease longtime. A reduction eating those foods beneficial look not be for experimentation, which is totally fun. We're adults. I'd I'd wanna be made making sure that you're able to do both. I again, I'm always going from mid Bullock flexibility over rigidity. What do you mean by metabolic flexibility? I want to be out of us cobs efficiently. I also want to be out of us fat sufficiently. I wanna be efficient swapping between the two. So this is sort of a concept that is becoming more prolific amongst athletes. He's I, you know, I might pudding adaptation phase into one of my athletes plan whereby they're going into a session fostered or they going into a station lacob. We're pushing those adaptations in the cell up regulate right regulating the Monaco drill. Biogenesis Bigwood for basically making sure that we've got more of those energy producing units in the cell, and we might do that for block a full wakes. So we might protect them lacob full wakes, but it might be relative low Cobb might be lacob for the first half of the day. Then we replenish them. So we can shift cops around and to get that same adaptation without going classically, low Cobb, and so that would be. Adaptation phase. Whereas we might be going for performance phase when we know that the person is going to be if you wanna go bulls to wall all out effort, they going on Cobb, and they're the people who tend to be winning and that sort of based off of racers as well. So we might be able to go pretty done well on a high fat diet. But if we want to be winning stuff, generally speaking, we're looking at cobb's is the substrate that's doing that. So Herod, let's let's start to summarize day-to-day nutrition for strength athlete. Cool. So the first place I would be starting at ease when you training. So some people try in the mornings people trying lunchtime some people train multiple times during the day. The first thing is assessing where the training session is. And then I will generally be concentrating Kaba hydrate intake before and after as well as protein intake pulse across today. So ensuring that every meal every main meal, I'm having a source of quality protein. There is always room for doughnuts. Especially in the strong man community this love good Dina. What are the goals? We looking at way looking. At ensuring adequate calories. So looking at the body composition of the person sitting in front of me when I'm saying this stuff, we have to make sure that if I'm working with a lane individual where adding in calories because it takes a rower and two thousand five hundred to three thousand calories to build Hoffa. Kilo of muscle has actually caught a lot of extra calories. If we're looking at an extra half kilo of muscle awake. We wanna be adding it around sort of extra three thousand calories that person's dot across the week. If it working with somebody who has a little bit of extra body fat to row with the calorie surplus doesn't have to be as aggressive because if they're looking at losing a little bit of fat gaining a little bit of muscle, the if we have them in a Amal energy deficit than not going to be as at as much of a disadvantage because the fat stools in their body. You're gonna help Boffa that deficit so anything about balanced between long term, health and short term health should be looking at data nutrition. Absolutely. So with a strength based athlete dieted. I we won't be making sure that we're also getting in those micro nutrients as well. So we're looking at diet quality. We're not just looking at macro. Rose. We wanna be making sure that you know, when mating calories where heating pertain talk fat saga, Kaba hydrate target. But we're also including lots of color in our jails waiting for the. Was waiting for the let's color that Plato love. And three signing. Polly. It's funny people mock, but they're still not doing it. Exactly. I was in a room yesterday with a group of people when I asked how many people are eating enough vegetables and zero were say until we will start eating properly like adults, I will keep telling people ate vegetables while you're gonna make a good grandma. To keep saying this will actually do it. And we want to be making sure that long-term there's that sort of health in there as well. And they're very they can go hand in hand up -solutely. And are you working on out sort of a basic word macroasia, you're looking at things like inflammation, you looking at joint health and creating meal plans? Look, I mean, that's always a component in there as well. The nature of strength sports. So it's going to be a lot of stress on the body the meal out of inflammation in the body. So what you know educating people about what foods are anti inflammatory and surprise surprise Lord of the foods that we would eight as a pot of a healthy diet. I anti inflammatory. I know doughnuts. Unfortunately, not anti inflammatory bring out of any inflammatory low fat or fat burning doughnut. I talked about the delivery. Let's drop everything. Go make that day. Not. Did you lock the drink version the tablet version or the doughnut version? And you mentioned metabolic flexibility. Is there anything dated on nutrition? We should be looking at their. Yeah. Absolutely. Look. I mean period is you training period is each your should to match that. So you should try to lean out to get into a a white cloth. You might be looking at reducing carbohydrates for a small amount of time. We also have to balance it out with performance. And if you're going through, you know, performance as we wanna be increasing the carbohydrate intake there as well. So you know, we want to be out of us both cops and fats as fuel substrate bought knowing what your goals are probably the fist dip, and then we can kind of manage nutrition around that. And then we look at sort of long-term utrition versus acute white cottons. And that's definitely something a little of working white caught for sport. But again, I think that's a whole another sort of kettle of fish that we'd be more on that. So what about you've you've talked about competition, Diane Lydia competition. What about after competition is you know, we will you've heard the term reverse darting things trying around the world. So. So where are you at after competitions just straight down for patron donuts? Or is it generally? Yes. Yes. It is may told a strongman or pal if they went allowed three vegetables. I would be throwing out the arena, and they probably could do it to recovery really depends on what they'll aiding was like if they've done a white Kat, then we're looking at, you know, increasing that calorie intake backup recovery is the same as post training as well after a competition, but there's also a will little bit more of a requirement for rest post training. And again that stress inflammation. We wanna make make sure that the diet is adequate enough to support the recovery after like, you know, event I is quite stressful on the body. You know, you wanna nap every five minutes in between events. It just shows. You know, the adrenaline the stress of a competition. Dies is huge not jumping stripe back into training and expecting your body to do what it was doing a week. He goes really important a might be up to like a month where mentally you in the stage. What you could get back into training properly. It's like with anything as a big build up to a competition. And there is generally speaking corresponding Lou after that, and that's motivation. Shen wise, you've asked a lot of your body. Generally speaking, you're hanging on by the skin view taste going into competition. Expecting your body to bounce back. And also not to put on buddy fat after competition having reduce your training volume. Probably aiding more. You know, we we go to just be aware that there is a washout period from any competition any lodge event in life is a washout period. So post competition blues whether it's bodybuilding whether it strongman with his pal ifting Olympic lifting is a thing and just being mentally away for that. And I always have encouraged people to have, you know, have a couple of weeks where you just aiding ad-lib no worries and also enjoying your training again. So go do something different for little bit afterwards. Just to get you my job back a bit and then getting back into it being sensible, but just being aware that there is for most people a wash out there is a bit of like who am I what am I doing kind of feeling, but that that you know, that is and if you're aware of it poses a lot quicker because you're expecting it. So you've talked about just summering wear sports intuition coming into my exposure nutrition. So I'm gonna throw this one. The you've talked about potential to. Incorporate and powders with a vegan all white based white k same base. What else are you getting people to take in strength athlete? Well, when am talking about energy production and performance we those short shop bursts? I'm different looking at Cray tain supplement full all most strength athletes, if they want to take supplement, so creating assists with the energy production, basically can go faster for longer. So that's definitely something. I would be looking at caffeine. Wanna go to dean fawn and go to the mon- good old friend caffeine yet? Definitely look there's day-to-day caffeine consumption, which for some people might be two cups of coffee day hundred and eighty milligrams. But then we've got the actual dicey full performance enhancement, and that sort of sitting up the sort of three milligrams per kilo bodyweight this, you know, some studies at share upwards of six milligrams Piccolo body white which is really high, but we're not taking that habitually day today. Are we Greg? We're not using that as I performance enhanced formed. Allah. We're looking at that three milligrams as rule of thumb Piccolo buddy white as a performance enhancement. I would be looking at the timing of caffeine during training of half an hour before big training session giving it time to keen if you're trying not time caffeine can impair your ability to recover so taking some lodge dresses of caffeine office. I four o'clock because caffeine's go half life of about six hours. Give or take the person I would be looking at whether or not that's going to be hindering the recovery process. So it was a risk. I reward is the benefit of taking caffeine at night time going to outweigh the risk of not bad asleep afterwards on the door to Shimon and say, yes. Yep. And then also looking at on competition day when you take it. So that's a big one, actually. Yeah. So I locked to push caffeine intake. I might get an athlete who a habitual takes caffeine. I wouldn't start anything that you haven't done before on comp. Titian day, but I might look at caffeine. You're they might have their initial morning coffee, which is like a sort of a slow start to the day but targeting caffeine towards the latter events especially for strong man, there's five events in in a day. And then January the forty five to an hour between events and just enough time to get really sleepy I really like low. So I generally would tell people to use caffeine in the latter. Half of the day just to pick you up the first couple of events you normally pretty spunky as the fatigue load increases across the day. And this might be the same for pal ifting. You've got nine lifts Olympic lifting. I think it might be seeks and then cross fit. Again, you might have four three woods across the day. I'd be utilizing caffeine towards the latter end of the day around food where you're at with around food with caffeine on that day were you using it multiple times during the day for performance benefit act. Doesn't matter off the top of my head. I there probably is an interaction with food and and absorption. I don't actually know the off the top of my head. I am making sure like on com- day that the, you know, regular snacks across the days well to keep the blood sugar levels at high, but I'm really looking at back ending the caffeine intake towards letter into the day to give them a bit of a pip when they feeling quite sleepy. Because you know, we get that fatigue from lifting whites, and they dren l'an we get a corresponding low after that so using the anti fatigue properties of caffeine to boost people up so I would use like caffeine supplement around and actually rely the chaos Cray China for that. Because you've got the creating component as well as the campaign. So it's quite nice pretty simple, but effective. Yeah. That's the one salon, and then look depending on the person if they're in a calorie deficit if they're doing the white Kat, I'm not looking at the supplements full them, just according to the individual female athletes. I'm definitely screening them fool on. So it might be looking at. I ends up lament. I'm not looking at general multivitamin. Just in case if they are a low calorie diet, just as a assurance policy in essence and also looking at maybe potentially a fish oil in. Some cases if the habitually intake of Amiga threes is quite low just as a general sort of broad brush strikes mckeag Knauss while that is Harriet Walker registered dieticians versus sports sports, type credited. Sorry is the right word use it Harriet. You'll whipsawed is athletic, aiding dot com dot AU and same with my Instagram handle at athletic eighteen for all the fun sports nutrition facts and recipes get onboard with her she knows a good. She lifts heavy blame out or finished. 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Mark Bell's Power Project EP. 206 Live - SCOT MENDELSON

Mark Bell's Power Project

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Mark Bell's Power Project EP. 206 Live - SCOT MENDELSON

"The still bad. You're there him. Can we say that we black them out? I stay black. Trying then. A white dude Jewish guy who broke some world records and black. I'll walk into a gym. That's the end of it it all. Yup. I'll see guys later. You gotta tell me about horse. Cock. Really know much about 'em. Really? I mean, you know, he's dead. I know that good way to start off the podcast. Yeah. Figured yes. So I used to go to a gym longtime ago used to go to Jim called LA lifting club and me. And my brother would always be like what the hell's up with this guy. This guy is he always wear cargo shorts. And somehow you could see his junk through the cargo shorts in his name was Scott Mendelson. Like something wrong with them out. A massive, dude. All I know this guy had a cock like the size the thickness of your Starbucks Cup. Bro was ridiculous. You've seen it. I saw it. One time. Scared me to this day resonates in my head. It was like twenty years ago. Damn I thought to myself, Scott you are insufficient. You're officially inferior. Yes. Absolutely. He's demand the alpha. So I met this wonderful man over here. Scott Mendelson, probably twenty some odd years ago. I went to a power of the meat with my brother, and we were in the warm up room. And there was this guy who was loud and over the top and brash, and he was talking about wanting to break records. He's talking. He's gonna bench six fifty. And then in a couple years is going to break the all time world record like who's this guy turned out to be Scott Mendelson? He turned out to be right turned out bench over seven hundred pounds on that role. Yeah. Rall on that particular day Iwo had a mishap, right? The weight. Yeah. I on your dropped. You know, you grip. I was going, and you know, what I didn't. I didn't know how to power. So I I was just benching close grip because that's what I did. And I was hitting six forty close grip. And I came. Came in. And I used to thumb list because you know, I don't know what the hell I was doing. And I ended up dropping like six hundred and something pounds on my chest from lockout and that was the introduction of my elaborate powerlifting career. And then you were like, well, maybe I should wrap my thumbs around the bar. That was my last fall script workout. How are you able to develop you know, like there's a lot of people that bench, you know, four hundred pounds. I one hundred pounds. And we we start to see people kind of top out. They start to get the five or start to get to six seven hundred pound limit or let seven hundred pound weight rather seems to be a huge limit for a lot of people. There's only been like five people to ever really maybe five or six people to ever do it. Right. How the hell are you able to build that kind of strength? The always it's been strong, or well, you know, what I was always you know, when I was a kid. I always I collect comic books to this day. I still do I like fifty thousand books and Holck was my favorite character. So ever since I was a kid. I wanted to be the strongest man in the world, you know, some people want to be an astronaut or a fireman. I just want to be the strongest man in the world hawk lifts like thirty five thousand pounds. So I thought what the hell I'll follow suit. You know what I mean? And you know throughout life. I I kinda just had that in mind. So when I was about fifteen years old one of my friends almost killed this guy. And I got picked up for it by the law, and I didn't snitch them off. Don't show this clip yet angel- say this for a little bit later. I didn't snitch them off. And I ended up doing three and a half years in youth authority. Oh my God. And that was sort of like, my military straighten me out, you know, in a work it, well, and I started lifting weights at every, you know, and when I got out I was just on a mission. I I didn't know what I wanted to do. But I knew that that weightlifting was where it was at, you know, and and it's funny because when I was in. I was like God, you know, what did he why am I here? You know what I mean? And all the prison guards were like, you know, you don't look like you should be here. And I was. Like, and you know, at first it was like, they're like, hey, what are you here for? And I said, I didn't do it. And they were like, yeah. None of us. Did it? We're all. So then I was just like fuck it. You know, I get it. I don't give a fuck. I'm just going on with it. And I got into the whole life of that thing, and I finished up, and and I got out in this this black guy name Reggie was a prison guard. He looked at me. And he said I'll be seeing you soon. Boy, there's an eighty seven percent return rate. And I said, you know, what fuck you like that? So I get out start doing my thing and becomes Menton and years later when I broke the two seventy five world record when I hit the ten thirty one to seventy five that night, we went to a bar has I don't drink smoke. I don't do shit. But when I break a world record. I'll do a shot, you know. So we're at this bar make sense. And there's this black guy at the end of the Barneys like fucking staring at me. And I'm like what the fuck this guy looking at you know, what I mean? And Finally, I get up. I go over I go, dude. Do I know you? I mean, you know, their problem any goes, you don't remember me? Do you? I told you there was an eighty seven percent return rate, and you'd be back in what you say to me. And I was like I said fuck you Reggie. He says I've been following you. And I'm so proud of what you become and and it was like it was like a like a God sent thing to you know, I don't know it just like change something in my life. When he said that to me, and I was like, thank you, brother. You know what I mean when you're in that youth facility? Did you have like a mentor or anything like that? They have a program like try to help you, you know, get out of that lifestyle. No, no, it's real racial, and we mean by racial what I mean is blacks can't sell up with whites and you can't smoke or drink after a black guy, and it's really racial, and it's an organized thing. So if you smoke after a black guy, you fall what's called level, and you're lame, and they shoot letters to each other prisoner prison, it's organized thing. And I'm on the bus, and I'm going there in this Indian guys telling me. You can't smoke after black guy can't drink out Buckeye. You can't sell it a black guy. And you know, if somebody tries to run you on a mission, you know, don't do it because you'll be like a soldier. Looking at this guy. Like what the fuck is. He talked a lot of rules. So I get there. And there's big ass blonde. Dude. You know, it's up to twenty five years old. I'm like sixteen you know. So I get in there. And this big blonde dudes like looking at me, and he's like. And I'm like. And he's all. And I was like. So I walk over. And he's like, hey, what's up, and I'm like they doing. And he's like you down for your shit. And I'm like, yeah. And he goes, you know, there was a bunch of little gay guys in the front with like, no shirts and shit. You know what I mean? And he's all once go over there. Fuck that dude up right there show me how down you are. And I'm thinking about Indian dude on the bus, and I'm like, and I'm sitting down talking to do I stand up and I look at him. I go you run on a mission. He's all. Yeah. I beat the fuck out of this duty. I've been there. Like, ten minutes. I'm hitting this dude is hard as I can they locked me down. They bring me to the parole board. And they're like Mr Mandelson you've been here like ten minutes. And I was like sorry. So they bring me back. He beat the hell out of the guy that tried to put you on the mission. Right. Got it. And when I get back all the white dudes are coming up to me. And they're like, hey, what's up which up? I'm like what the fuck do. You mean what's up will? He was a dude at called shots with a white dude's. So next thing, you know, on calling shots for the white. And I'm like, dude, I'm a fucking Jew. You know what I mean? These guys are like, Nazis, you know. And I'm like, dude, I don't want on the fucking do it, bro. So I'm just going to wait pit and I start lifting. Well, ends up that his name was Chad. He ends up running a mission on me, and I walk through this door where they had these big steel chairs and this dude wack me and my face with a chair and knock two teeth out of my mouth. So I was all dazed I jumped on dude. But you know, and they had all these guys had tear, you know, may spray. So they spray me down. And I'm like fucking, dude. That shit was crazy. I got used to it. So they bring me back to parole board. They're like, Mr. Mendelssohn done. I'm like sorry. So they've locked down for like five days. And then I go back, and I see Chad. And he's like. And I'm like, oh, that's fucking it. So there was just like pool table with these washing machines, and I walk in. And I just start fucking wailing on him. He had long blond hair. And I wrapped his hand up. And I'm beating a fuck out of him. And also, your hey, I look over with the tear-gas, right? My fuck and face the Mason. I'm like fuck them. Snot not every hole, and I gotta gets the washer, and I'm boom, boom. And then I missed being and I'm like boom big and four guards role in a pick me up in the air autumn and a headlock each guard has my legs four of them. They got my arms, and I'll have this, dude. I'm in the air, and I'm hitting them like this. So they bring them back to parole board again. And like, Mr Mandelson, I'm like sorry. You know? And they're like what the fuck is going to happen. I go I'm gonna fucking kill them. So they ended up shipping him out to another fucking prison. And then life got good all the guards started liking me. I got relationships with them. And you know, you I go to prison you start tripping and you're like word. Like, oh my God. It's four o'clock. What would all my friends we doing right now, you know? But then it got to the point where forgotten I just went on, and I was lifting and there's like a swat team kind of like for like, riot retaliation and stuff will they come in benching six hundred pounds at eighteen years old. So how long you're lifting at this point just a couple years. Yeah. So I was hitting six hundred and the guards came in and they go, hey, you're fucking strongest hell, and I was like, thanks. So they took me over to their Jim. These guys are like retired NFL, and like gnarly mother fuckers, you know, so I started lifting with them. And that's when Schick out real and they were like powerlifting. And you know, these guys were showing me some stuff, but you know, they really weren't powerlifters. They said they were you know, what I mean? I didn't know it was up. I'm going close grip. You know, so. Finally, get out and I start living my life, and I'm lifted and I'm at north Hollywood goals in Venice goals and training people. And I'm going to school, and I'm doing my thing. And you know, one thing after the other just developed them. I'm sitting there eating with my wife at the time on Ventura boulevard at this place into abortion insurance, California. It's like the boulevard, so there's this little magazine place as walking by CEO. Powerlifting USA. So I'm like, oh, I'm buying it. So I grab it. And it's like, hey this weekend. There's a fucking powerlifting. Meet in Burbank. The one I met you at and she's like, well, I don't know. She goes who they bench in fucking know, maybe nine hundred six forty you know, and she's like well fuck, let's do it. And I'm like, okay. And then I met Mark Bell. So here we are. Here. We are like a weird weird set of circumstances. In a lot of ways I made a post and said, you know, you broke the all time world record. And you had it for a long time. How long I had it for about twelve years. I still have the three away world record that I've had for like sixteen years. Yeah. And you get a set of no one at three oh, six body weight and a seven fifteen bench. Right. Seven fifteen at three fourteen. I believe it was an Eric SPO who grew up in the same areas. You guys didn't know each time. He ended up training with you for while. Yeah. Eric trained with me. And you know, I love them, Greg. I I showed her my secrets he still alive, by the way, people asking me like what I was wondering, Eric where the fuck are you give me a call? You know? But you know, he's a good guy. And I'm you know, what it's cool because you know, what records for there to be broken? And the fact that I trained him. I wasn't completely hundred percent responsible for him. Breaking the record. He put the time in right? But you know, by him, breaking it and me training him. It's it's sort of a branch off my tree. Yeah. You know what I'm in? And I I really I enjoyed training with them. He have similar forms. Here's your form quite different than his. I'm different. I'm on the balls of my feet. Oh, yeah. Your feet away. Yeah. My feet further bath think about you know, you hear everyone talking about like tuck in the elbows in all these different things. And obviously, I mean, you're a really wide guy. You're thick as hell. So it's gonna look different you bench pressing versus a girl who's one hundred thirty two pounds. What do you think about kind of like, you know, tuck in the elbows in tight and stuff like that? Do you agree with that? Or you have a different style. Well, I one hundred percent agree with it. My style is and everybody can see me on camera. Correct. Yep. Yeah. Okay. I like put your hand flat on my back. Okay. What I do is. I take my shoulder blades, and I pinch them together. Okay. Loosely? Not with like a latch spread or anything like that. I'm trying to get my shoulders as close together as possible. Then once I do that. Then I tighten the muscle up around it. Okay. And that's how I start my bench press to where I'm almost cramped up. Now, my triceps everything on the bench press comes from the inner tricep. So what I do is imagine if you had skin that attached your tricep to your latte. Okay. You know, the dimple on your lap. When you do your latte. I take my my tricep, and I put it there. Okay. So I'm a little bit like right in the middle of my son of resting his tricep, like honest latte. Right. Might be hard to do if you don't have developed last. So what I do is in this position. I'm pinched and cramped all the way back now when I pull I never let my elbow. Separate nother words. I never come from here and let my elbow go down. Here we stay into my back, and when I pull and you'll see it on my videos when I freeze up. Everybody's like a freeze up. I'm pulling and it freezes because I'm pulling with my back, and I'm not pulling with my arm specifically my arms pulling with. But I'm never letting it come away from that let it's always a tach d-. So it will happen is a freeze up from here. Now, the only thing that's going to get that way to go lower or that Bargo lower is what? More weight. So more weight more weight more weight more weight. That's why when I was going raw nothing below six hundred touch like your body's adventure. It's a living bencher. Yeah. Guys, repeat that again, how much weight did you need to touch your chest six hundred and he's talking about without bench shirt on without adventure. Yeah. And if you see my videos, I'll become down in bloom, whom that's really interesting because known said the same thing about the dead lift Ed cone, you know, he said like, you know, when he was warming up he would have five hundred on six hundred on seven hundred on eight hundred on and even like seven hundred pounds. He could make it float because he would get himself Waigel, Dan and get himself so tight with of you guys may not be seeing like some people are actually listening on I tunes as well. His Scott pulled his rear doubts back, and he was trying to get them as close together as possible pulling him towards my hand, my hand was on his back flautam using the scapula. Imagine the shoulder. Blades themselves, and you're pinching them together. Forget about anything muscular to begin with. It's all skeletal. So when I bench, I don't push the weight away from me, I push myself into the back of the bench away from the weight, which is important because a lot of people over press when they bench press. Then when he do that older that yes shoulder will come forward and an elbow or shoulder. Something weird. I don't use my shoulders when bench you also used your traps a lot, which that's that's a different part. So he pulled his shoulder blades. Together, try to get him as closely could and then he kind of shrugged not really up but more like back row with the traps, though, I want I set up on the bench. I'm not on my back among my Trump's. Yeah. That's that's a big difference. Compared to what a lot of other people are doing they're trying to kind of wiggle in. What are some other things like, you know, with your technique? What are some other things that you did like some people have trouble with the lockouts and people have trouble off their chest. I use boards. I don't believe in chains for bench breath. I think the joints are too small band. Same thing bans. I will do a little bit of Ben work, but not on the bench. You know? Like if I have a bamboo bar something like that. I'll put some bands on it or something like that only because a stabilization but with lightweight. Okay. I go boards boards boards boards, the hallway? And then when you press off the boards. Are you staying like super tight like you mentioned, and there's like hardly any weight resting on the boards, or you just first of all drama, and we never got to this part? But I don't bench from here. I bench from my hips. I don't know if you guys the I've. I blown my quads twice benching. Wow. Literally where my whole leg went plaque. There's a magazine cover where Gordon santee I had to get okay? To wrap my leg up I toward to Arnold and three weeks later. I was in Canada with Bruce Greg recipes, and I had to wrap my leg, and I had a shoot light it came into my leg because it was just so much pain. I could I didn't even feel the leg when I was benching. I mean, it was like not even there. But I when I bench I bring my my heels among the balls of my feet, and I'm on my traps my butts touching the bench. And when I get ready to bench. I take my ankles, and I push them down. Okay. When that happens that engages the whole lower body, the hamstrings the hips everything except the gluts just to reiterate end to make. So people told understand he pushes heels towards. Around. But his heels don't go flat his toes on the balls of my feet now. Engage your, but which will drive your needle. Engage your hip yet. There you go not your gluts you have to tighten gluts up separately ocal gauge, the hips and keep the leg keep the leg. Dr super tight. Correct. And then the other thing that does is helps to kinda stabilize stabilize your body on the bench. And in addition to that it helps to kinda short up and stabilize the stroke of the bench press. Because now your knee will come down your stomach and your chest will come up a little bit corrupt. If the if the heels touch, do you lose a lot of that? Or is it never my heels could not touch. Okay. It's not going to happen. It's for him, though, you teach people the same people the bench the same way that you bent. Well, the reason why don't you flat-footed is. Because when you drive flat-footed your but comes up, and no matter what you're gonna come up. You look at everyone. I love Kelly, but he's never hit a legit lift. And it's fucking. No, no, no, no. It's not because he's not powerful or anything. But his ass comes up on every single lift it just does. I knew he was cheating Hotan cheater. He's heels down. I love him. I love music chess flat bench. But you cannot keep your ass down when you're out of max level bench. It doesn't happen. You know? An another thing that that you made me think about when I like sometimes there's some lifts online where they'll Hemi a thousand pounds and it'll start going like this. Okay. I stabilize everybody tries to balance it from your upper body. You can't do that you locked the hips in. And you just let the ride go on the upper body, but you're stabilizing the hips that happened to me on Monday. I hit a ten eighteen on Monday fucking all you mother fuckers up. But I hit a ten eighteen fifty to fifty turned fifty. I'm adding years to like rocky said I got a little bit left in the basement. And I think this year. Remember, I said it on Mark bells podcast. I'm gonna break the all time record. I'm going to go over eleven at a light body weight. I'm about three hundred pounds right now. And you know, it used to be three ninety and you know, there's an optimal weight for everybody. Three ninety. Yeah. About going all in rich peon looked at me. He goes, dude. You're too big. You're gonna fucking die. And then look the richest dead. Now, you know what I'm in? But you know, it's just everybody has an optimal weight to perform for me. It's a between three. Oh, five and three twenty is where I'm my best. You know in a man, I can breathe, and you know, breathing a big part other than life. But in benching because you know. It's it's very cardio base. People don't realize in powerlifting in general. You know, you got three attempts th on a world record. When you hit your fourth lift your fucking bodies blue. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying? You know, I do six hours of cardio every week. And I do life cycle because I don't have an ankle my right leg. I were boot when I bench so one of my I gotta Frankenstein. Boot you guys we'll see you guys probably seen it before. But you know, very scary individual. You've never seen. But, you know, road saying, you know, when I noticed when you're benching too because of your arch, and because of the way you get yourself on your traps, you bring the way out over top of you quite a bit you bring a way out like more towards maybe like your surname, right? A little bit blooming and some people, you know, the bench a little higher. But I think that maybe some people are benching that way because there may be more flat rent. No the thing about it is like watch face me. Get the best position. You're back. We'll about Bengal. No push as far as you can. Nothing right now. Drop your elbows now push. You could throw me across the room. Okay. So your leverage point is in your triceps when you when you're out here, and you're in a high bench, your in your shoulders brand. We don't wanna do that. We want to bring that out to here. And there's a rollout process when you bench you'll bring it up and it'll roll out and there's like a slot. It just like fall. It's not quite as far. But almost to the point where the bar would start coming down. Anyway. Right. Yeah. But the thing is when you when you when you're benching and you bring it lo a lot of people feel like it's going to fall on you. So what you need to do is take your elbows and bring him in like, you're breaking the bar. And when you break the bar, all of a sudden, you got tons of leverage. You know, all this only string sports are just about leverage. You know, am other strongest guy with the strongest body in the world. Fuck no. No, there's guys way stronger than me, but they can't hit near what I hit because of two things one. I know the leverage points, I'm a fucking master and to the mental the brain controls, everything in no matter what I have I'll go under thirteen hundred pounds. I don't give a fuck because the thing about it is is you need to stay in your itinerary when that waits come down. I don't feel the muscle in my arms. I feel the bones in my arms, flexing back and forth. So if I'm not in that perfect leverage point by arms will snap. And that's why these guys panic and they freak out because mentally they're not there. Have you always had that always the thing is never fear? The weight you fear, the weight the weight is your enemy. The wait is mine. It's not the enemy. It's part of me. And that's the key to winning knowing that before you even fucking get up there that that is done. One hundred percent is everything America today. I'm gonna try and do the best that I can noth-. Fuck. No. That shit is done before even step on the fuck and platform done in a gym million times. There's no reason why can't do it. Now. So you're that things you're always prepared though. Like, you've got man prepared. You don't do that on the platform that you haven't done before? No real. No. I mean, look if it comes to an all-time world record thing. Yeah. And I've hit that third lift, and I'm ready for something that I have and do. Yeah. I'll do it. You know? But that's what liftings all about, you know, it's fucking Star Trek, bro. Basically, if you're if you're, you know, one one reason to be scared is when you're not prepared hundred percent, you know, so you might have had some you might have some meets were because we get locked in. Powerlifting. Yet might have had some meets where he probably shouldn't have done it. Right. No. He never you've always been prepared just backed out of him. No. Now, you just if you make a decision do it you go all do it. I do it. I've never backed out of a meat. I've been sick. I've had fevers. And you wanna know something every time. I feel great. I shitty. The crappier. I feel the day. I hit the ten thirty one to seventy five I had food poisoning. I was three hundred twelve pounds and my daughter cooked chicken, and it wasn't all the way through dude. I puke down the to ninety five I was laying in bed naked with a trash can off the side of the bed. And I know when you look. Puke so much that my body was so exhausted. My stomach was just like. I was just weighing there with like snot falling in the fucking thing. And I had to compete that weekend and a Mike trip, and because my sponsors are like fuck, we're paying you. We need a lift I'm like crying. I'm like, I don't know what the fuck do my boys. Like, well, go to seventy five I was like what? So with food poisoning. I sucked up to seventy five went rehydrated, which electrolyte ringers. You know, intravenously went back up to ninety two and puke in a bucket when they called my name. And I'm like fuck. I was so shitty. Feeling. I'm like, I'm gonna die the handed me the weight off. And it just crushed me. And I thought oh. I could do this. And I did it. And then I just missed eleven fifteen on a second. I opened up with ten thirty one. Jeez. As anyone benched eleven hundred pounds. I mean tiny meeker attempted it which he gets credit for, but you know, everybody in the world, including tiny knows that. She did not lock out. Even you do eleven oh to bench. Some like you saw the incomplete bench. I don't I don't. I certainly don't remember it. That's for. Sure. Right. I'm sure if if it was claiming concerned canal has the all time record with the ten eighty or whatever it was. Yeah. And that was a clean fucking lift. You know can Nellie is a great champion. He was on Firefox awhile as we're you guys were on fire for a while. I think that mean can Eli's battles really took powerlifting. Two different huge. It was a huge deal. Yeah. It was. It was something else. Man. It was something. Now watch this is eleven oh to right. Yeah. All right now watch this lift. Doing his dance got the tiny dance going, right? It was a cool time though. Because there was a couple of you guys over ten eighty this is ten eighty this is in the eleven to a couple of guys watch it anyway. A couple of you guys really battling out back then it was pretty sick. It was good tiny wasn't in in the mix. Then he kinda came a little bit. I love tiny tiny great guy. Yeah. He's he's insanely strong. I mean, he's hit a lot of big benches over long periods. I'm competing. I'll think he's competing. Just took a bunch of weight off. Eventually eventually has to happen for all of us. All right pauses, his name tiny wider, people, call them, Chinese nickname meeker. I think it of. In those bench shirts, crazy. Yeah. That that definitely didn't look in. Eleven hundred well wasn't locked out. Yeah. Just for the people that are listening. Can you walk us through it, Mark? Yep. We got we're watching tiny Nieker perform a five hundred kilogram benchpress eleven eleven hundred and two pounds. Really unbelievable to see people handle this kind of way in in a bench press, regardless of you know, wearing bench shirt, and all these other things it's going to get the way handed out to me setting up. His his feet got his chest up. He's ready to rock and roll. The get the lift off liftoffs gotta be crucial with these huge waits weights. Being brought down trying to keep that position. He got a little sideways with it know, look, and then yeah, obviously not locked. Hey, wasn't able to really he was sideways kind of a whole time. He was and then it was hard for him to straighten the out at the top. I think I think he'd be you got do eleven seven cyber whatever I can do matter. Throw that little extra weight on the. What do you think about chip in world records think that's cheap cheap one? It is what it is. I mean, I don't think it's cheap. It's more weight. Right. Right. It's in fuck your hitting eleven hundred pounds like eleven o one and you hit it. What is that sheep? Whatever whatever way you want to do. I mean, you know, it's more weight. That's your world record. You know, do you have any regrets because I've heard you a long time ago? You told me that I think you said you bench like seven fifty five raw I've been seven eighty five raw he's you have any regrets that you were not able to plot to do. And my wife told me because there was no raw movement. And I was doing it at the gym all the time. And she's like just to it just doing. I'm like why nobody gives a fuck. You know, I should have done it baby. You're right. I should have done it. I thought up, you know, seven eighty five seventy five I I got eight hundred two here could lock it out was a big part of that the the board training. So everything's about board trade you hit like eight hundred off one board gone eight fifteen off to boards before raw raw. That's insane. Yeah. That's that's incredible. Look SPO or Spoleto used to do pin press and stuff with over eight hundred pounds to. Yeah. You know, Eric SPO? I don't know where the fuck you are but wake up give me a call motherfucker. Okay. I love you. He does too much bodybuilding. You said, well, you know, what? I mean. I guess he's done now because we shoulders, but he's still hand on some big weights gnarly, dude or do and he's legit. You know, all his lips are legit. The man came out. He did his thing. I heard he hadn't posted in like two years sixteen Bob insane much from him in a while. What would you still hanging out with STAN invaded? I don't know. I haven't heard anything from air explode on a while. I text them here and there, so I know he's still around talked to his friend Brody more than I talked to actually asked him. Very interesting question for this podcast today in preparation for this podcast. I asked him who would win an arm wrestling match. And he said, you know, you can never really tell what's going to happen. But if I was the bet I bet on myself. Of course, we will. Let me tell you something showdown though. They would be a great showdown. I mean, we talked about it before. And then he disappeared Eric's, very emotional guy. You know what I mean? And I mean, I'm not talking shit about hard for and he's a he's a great friend. And he's a great athlete. It was time for him to come out of his shell. And he's got a lot more arm wrestling experience. Do you know what I'm in? Our remember when I was training with them. I grabbed his hand one time, and I should pull me pull me and he fucking. I swear to God it felt like you could rip my arm of my body. And I was like holy fuck because like show when you out there. It's not it's not your arm. Yes. Not at your whole fucking body. Yeah. I don't know if you people have seen the arms that Eric SPO. Like forty three and a half inches fucking ridiculous. It's it's insane. Like, you know, drawn you towards us for so long. Why like, you know, why do you think you're still so obsessed with it seems like with the bench just just with lift this is like the whole lifting thing like your almost like possessed by right? Like, it seemed like you probably sacrificed a lot of things you had a had a great gym going. You're very smart guy had other businesses going over here. Got agreed Jim. And there's a lot of opportunities that you probably just couldn't really get into because you're taking so much time in the gym. You know, it was funny because rich used to tell me, you know, these guys got all into YouTube and everything and he's like men, do you gotta get into YouTube. Now's the time, and I just didn't do it. Because I wanted my name to be solidified as the greatest, you know, I didn't want to just be a YouTube guy. I wanted to be something that like when I walked in your gym today. Lifters? And they were just like cement and Bubba. I mean to me, that's solid. You know what I mean? When people were like your legend, do you know fucking long. I worked to have somebody say that to me. It's like into me. That's reality. That's you know, you hear the name Scott Mendelson, and there's no fucking question on the only man in the world to ever break, the raw and the equip record at the same time. You know, you're the first eight hundred pounds. No, I was a second rich rich lack hit at like ten minutes before I nine hundred. I don't know. I was a second two thousand. Yeah. So I remember that I was the first to do three lifts over thousand and one meat. I did it at the world championships in two thousand ten in Florida. So I got ten eighty to a fourth. I got to hear all I had to do. I couldn't do it. I did ten three ten four ten or three ten fourteen ten twenty five and everybody on ten twenty five or go Google. Ten eighty eighty knows like 'cause you guys remember when I was going for the thousand pounds, I bombed out for like two years because I was just a lot going on at the time. Yeah. I was just obsessed. I could win every single meet that I do. But you know, there becomes a point to where what is your trophy? It's a piece of fucking metal that ended up throwing out of but world history. The history in the making of the world to me, that's the most important thing, you know, and for two years, I didn't fuck and finish your fucking meat and all sudden, I show up and I go three for three over thousand. That's why did it and didn't go ten eighty because I was like I wanna be solidified. I fucked up I should've gone ten eighty on the third. But is what it is. Yes. So you've been just drawn to it. It's a not a plumber not a finish carpenter. I can't do what other people do. I can only do what I do just as they can't do what I do. So everybody has purpose in this world. And I believe at this point. I know I don't believe that. This is what my purpose is. From the mindset perspective that you were talking about was like every day and everything always set up around these world records. Powerlifting to me. Is a life. It's not something that I just do a few times a week. Everything I eat everything I sleep every supplement. I take every single thing about life revolves around lifting nuts. What makes greatness? And it's been for a long Aasheim. Well, you know, what I'm fifty and I looked forty nine and a half of done. Okay. People are like fuck. You're fifty years old. Well, I wasn't going like with a cigarette had wrinkles on the side of my fucking face. Like, I went to my thirty reunion. And I walked in and these because they all know me from the internet. You know, I'm seeing them forever. Dude. Guys that I hung out with those like who the fuck are you and they were like what did not recognize them? They look like old leather drinking and drugs and just the abuse of going through life. You know, you guys don't understand all the cigarettes and alcohol and the drugs and everything that you do over a long period of time turns you into a piece of shit, and that's the bottom line. Ever been a time where you like didn't want to do some of the stuff like you get done with one competition or you break record. And you just don't wanna do it. There's time I'll tell you wanna go. I'll I'll tell you a story every single time. I break a world record. I get up and the people are roaring, and I think to myself. All right. This is thirty seconds right here. And then it's fucking done. I gotta train for the next one. Got dammit. All right. Over faulk. Am I trained for the next one? And he just get right back into what do you just force yourself to do it where you just love it that much? I love it that much, you know, like, my son my son's gymnasts, or if you've seen him online and stuff like that ten he got a free ride to university, which I cannot discuss you'll but I will future, but I've never had to throw him out of the car once. Every time I opened that door poof, he's gone from when he was three. My my son's been with the same coach since he was three years old. And it's the love of it. It's the glory. You know, when he was younger, he was taken it was going to competitions. And you know, I was like, you know, I'm Scott Mendelson. So my go out there and kill them. You know, my wife's like shut up shut up. I mean these trying doing the best he can. And you know, and then he would like lose or whatever, you know. I didn't say anything. But you know, at the moment, it's like fuck for me. It's like win or die is. No, you know, it's no fucking second place. You know, so few years ago. He looks at me, and he goes dead. You know, the time even saying that to me he goes you a right? I get it. And it's pretty cool. Some of this come from like someone in the family like the come from your dad or come from your mom or father was a professional football player. He led me. He left me. And the day. I broke my first world record my phone rang. My grandfather was rocky Marciano stablemate hundred fifteen five seventy five knockouts nine losses. My grandfather knocked rocky Graziano out. Okay. He was at Gleason, Jim in New York. It's famous Jim training there and rocky was fighting for the world championships that weekend it was a Monday, and they came in. And they said, hey, does anybody wanna Spar with rocky? My grandfather was like fuck y'all Spar with them. So they got crazy. My grandfather hit him with a left hook and drop them. Now, my grandfather's manager was the head of murdering corporated. He got the electric chair. Inc. Was an organization to where if you wanted me killed you would call them. They would fly out kill me and fly back murder Inc. Something telling business some mid time. It's cut and dry. You know? So anyway, what happened was when he knocked rocky out murder in came in. And they took all the presses cameras. Took the film out paid them all off and that weekend rocky one world championship. So afterwards. They went to my grandfather. And I said, hey, you wanna fight rocky? You know, and it was like fuck. Yeah. Wanna fight rocky? And should we gotta go down in the fourth round. And my grandfather stuck his hand out. And he said, hey, appreciate everything you've done for me. Thank you for everything you've made my life and he walked away from boxing. So. Yeah. So I fought chair. Got the electric chair. Holy shit for what? Just just for being. Nice. Murdering. Business cards, bright marketing, marketing, networking yahu. You know, you mentioned you ended up getting a lot of trouble because he didn't rat somebody out. Did you did you just kinda did you end up in those spots a lot as a kid like where did you have anger like, we're we're you kind of always running with the wrong crowd? I, you know, I didn't have a father the story of half you people that are listening right now, and I didn't have direction and I got in with the wrong crowd. Because I was looking for something that wasn't in my life. You know? And I ended up in the wrong circumstances, you know, was running with gangs and lead my own gang and sell drugs. And you know, I mean, I was out of the house at thirteen years old stepfather that used to like severely beat the fuck outta me. Every day. I'd go to school with a Hickey all the way across my neck because he choked me out, you know, back in the day. There wasn't like oh, you hit you. A kid child services coming you know, all of us were fucked up back, then you know, what? I mean. I'd walk out. My friends would be crying. You crying for 'cause they got his ass kicked. My ass kick, you know. But you know, it is it's it was a situation to where you know. I didn't want to get beat up all the time. You know what I mean? And this guy was a full grown man beating the fuck outta me. Every day. I'd go to school and getting a fight. And I was like is that all you got my dad beats me up way harder than you. You know what I mean? So I was a hard core. Little motherfucker, you know, and yeah, I didn't do what I went to prison for. But you know, what if I had to do it all over again I'd go back to prison. Because God sent me there. I'm not super religious or nothing, but I believe in something, and everybody's got a path, and you know, going to jail made me, Scott Mendelson. None. You people would be like, oh, you're such a legend your this. If I didn't go to prison because I never would've started lifting weights. So thank you God. And I would fuck and not change. If I had to do it all over again wouldn't change nothing. Because if I could put a USB cord from my head to your head it just like, whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Like fuck. I had such a blessed life and met the greatest fucking people in the world and just the hell of a massage, by the way. And just you know, just everything I mean, I have had you know, if I die, and I've said this a few times, I know you have heard of before. But if I died right this second, I don't regret. I don't want to. But I don't regret anything in my life. I am fucking happy. I could look at myself in the mirror, and I am complete. I feel great about myself. And I feel great about what I've done, and I feel great about the people that I've touched in my life. And you know, I just I, you know, I'm just I'm just very grateful for what I've had in having my life. What allowed you do? You think you know, 'cause you're talking about your dad and the lack thereof and you talk about your son. And you know, how you're in his life. You're you're you're impacting him. Well, what made you not I guess follow that path because you see a lot of men, especially without fathers, then repeating the same exact thing you when you. Could go either way. Yeah. You know, there's a fork in the road. You gotta know whether to go left or right and the way that he made me feel and by the way, I talked to my father now, I forgave him. Because if you don't forgive him it'll burn a hole in your heart. It will make you a negative bad person. And you know, I cried. And you know, I I let it go. You know what I mean? But. I would never ever ever make my kids feel the way he made me feel because it is the. You know, it was like weird when I got married. It was like, oh, you know, raising my kids, and it was like there was no, hey, what did my dad do with me to for me to reference it was like half to shit. I was like fuck don't even know what to do. You know, I don't know what to do. I don't know how to how to do this. You know? And I did the best that I could. And you know, what I made some some bad choices with them to you know, competing and being the best in the world. You have to be greedy. You know? I was traveling a lot. You know, I wasn't with my kids a lot. When I was there. I loved him, and I told him, and I kissed him and hugged him. And I'd be with them, you know, but for a big portion shit I was in France one week in Canada the next week and two weeks later at the Arnold and in Africa month after that. And do I was just everywhere. And it was like I was on this mission. And it was just like every time I went to a different show. My my my benches were going up and up and up and up and up, and it was just like a fucking heroin habit. It's hard to come down from that high. And then go home and take out the garbage. No, I could do that. I feel like smell attraction. You know? I mean, though, it's like kinda hard. It's hard for a lot of people. A lot of my friends that are like in WWE and stuff. It's hard to hear the roar of fifty thousand people home and have the wife, you know, frustrated with you that you haven't been around, and you can get change diapers or whatever the obligations are around a lot of the reason why me and my wife are no longer together is because you know, she wasn't really able to do what she wanted to. You know, you can't both be doing shit and have kids. You know, you know, I used to tell her I said, look, I don't give a fuck if you make all the money, I'll stay home. But it's not like that. Right. You know? I mean, fuck if there's two million dollars in the Bank, and she made it all I'll spend just as well. Fuck I thought he left her because she used to beat the shit at. I remember watching actually. Par kept me together with. CV pull up some of those clips Andrew she would beat. Did she ever like catch you off guard? Good one. It's me be at shows. And she'll be there. And I'll be like do it. Maybe a little harder nowadays. She fucking you know, she was a fighter shit. Oh, yeah. She fought Mutai. She was a black belt in kung FU. She bench four seventy five choose a fucking beast, bro. Jesus, you know? And she's a great mother. You know what? I mean. Look, we're we're better friends than we ever were married. You know, we have a great relationship now straight to here. Yeah. Look on preparing them like here. She goes. She's gonna fuck me up. I'm like, oh, God, look just get it over with get it over with. She's. I like how she started hop and she got excited Joe the fuck and floor, man. And you know, what it was weird because people did not bring their wives to power lifting meets, right? When we first started. She was only one there. She wear a nice dress and come out look good and just beat the fuck outta me within a year. Everybody had chicks everybody. Terrible higa. He fucking sock and Ryan Kelly the nose. I mean, it just it changed. And I feel good about that. It was like look we changed shit. Right. You know? I think for the better, you know, it was more entertaining. You I'm at the world championships in Africa. There's three thousand fuck and people dude when she smacking me I hear the whole fucking auditorium. Ooh. It was just like, wow. Like didn't even have a fuck about my lift, bro. This wanted to see me get cracked CV water. It would be like are. You're gonna hit him. Are you gonna hit him? I was like, hey fucker. What you asked me to hit the bench. You find a picture of Scott and Ryan Kelly leaded picture of you guys facing each other. Yeah, brought his volts. So jacked I just broke his world record. And he was at the meat. He wasn't competing and he took a shirt off in. I just got off the bench. That's why I was all red. And we just did the the fighter thing had to head, and it was an iconic picture, and it's fucking. And then somebody somebody somebody made it like a jail cell. The original right there. I just broke the record. You know, let's say like two guys up over three hundred something pounds. I was about three fifty right there. Jesus. Both ear pre lean to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's pretty crazy. 'cause like you you has Bill talking about like eight hundred nine hundred one thousand and it sounds like for my point of view that this is like the format mile when one person broke it. Yeah. Everybody to start breaking shit. What was that for the bench press? You know, you gotta understand really five news in the world that have ever gone over thousand to this day. It's very small club. But the bench Preston you'll Bonk for a period of time. When were starting to hit those lists because that changed powerlifting. Forever changed? Everyone's totals and stuff. You know, it really shook things up. We'll tell you know, Gary, Frank, right? Yeah. We'll Gary how to twenty six ten total and he was hitting seven thirty eight bench. And he comes to me. And he's like, you know, I go dude, I'll help you on the bench. And he's like, really? So I told him everything I want them to do. And he was calling me up going. Fuck dude. I'm dying dying. I said just shut up and keep going keep doing what I tell you. And he calls me up one night. And he goes, I just hit a nine thirty five. Okay. I'm good. Then he competed his total went from twenty six ten to twenty eight ten and also other list with the same. I think he's the first guy to do twenty seven twenty eight twenty nine hundred. Yes. Yeah. And Gary and econ- I mean hall of Famer bulldog, you know, had the shot put world record. Yeah. I mean do think he played for the falcons? Did you got kicked out of the NFL for being too? Crazy. He's still trying to lift heavy and stuff. I think he's kind of a little hard issue. He's he kind of took off like I saw it was like two fifty like how we do that he lost like a hundred and fifty pounds get very well be the strongest power after ever. I mean, this guy he was a beaver take eleven hundred pounds out of the squat rack and run with it backwards. Look like he was gonna fall over. And he dead lifted over nine hundred pounds. I mean, he was just absolute there's so many cool tales about him. I've heard that who've been at the WPRO days, a he like, it wouldn't even warm up. He would just do like toe touches of when he's his warm of kind of like my bench warm up who go one plate two plates three plates nine hundred. And that's how that's how I warm up on the bench because throw your you throw your gear on your gear on your gear on then you're gonna go go crazy warm. Yeah. With seriously one place rates nine hundred. Yeah. I still do it. What what made you turn the corner when you're young like, usually there's somebody in somebody's life. Or did you just kinda like wake up one day to say, I I don't know at Yale. I don't I don't wanna do the shit anymore. I need to make changes or did you have? That's it. I never had a role model. You know? I wish I did. Yeah. Everybody's like, oh, who's your favorite powerlifter, myself me? Me, you know, I never had a, you know, I mean, I love the Ed cones and the captain birds, and you know, all those guys were fucking great. But I never looked at him. As like there was never a bencher that I was like, oh, I'm going to be like him. It was always I'm going to be like me. You know what I mean? And that's just always how it was just I knew that. I was something different. You know, and I had to go and take what was mine because nobody ever was going to give me anything. So I had work harder and everybody else, and I had to be more consistent than everybody else. You know? I was eating twelve thousand calories a day. You know, I'm known for go with the food because food is where it's at if you're not eating right? You could take all the shit in the world, and you know, take all the protein shakes in the world. But I mean, I still go forty eight whites day eight five pounds of red meat. I don't eat that much carbs. Because all get big, you know. Well, this is about arena dancer for me when you're three ninety and then you're three hundred it's like, it's nothing. You know what I mean? Do you? I mean today we had some bagels and stuff like that to you. Do you eat healthier? Just kinda like get whatever you contest. Yeah. I twice twice a week. Ali, you know, shitty Chinese food or if sushi or something like that? But I eat my staple is either. I found a white sweet potato that's like fabulous. I don't potatoes. I don't eat white rice Japanese sweet potato rent. What it is delicious tastes like it's a super sweet Italy. I love little bit of butter on it. Yeah. As I go butter and sour cream, and boom microwave it, but that's we in the United. But I go either sweet potatoes Brown rice approach teen on a salon tro freak eight like two or three bundles of salon show every day and I love tomatoes. So that's my staple. Sometimes I'll put blue cheese dressing in it, sometimes I'll put salsa in it. I can eat the same thing all the time. You know, you mentioned of you know, really just kind of doing whatever it takes to to be the best. What what did that cost you in terms of like friends, and in terms of like training partners? 'cause I know the days when I was lifting my bencher the workouts would take hours well. Go team that I train with. I gotta liftoff guy. My boy, Mark. That's that's great. He wasn't there. I had my boy Phil for a while. They're really Jack guy used to have that was MoMA Hamadeh nudie acai was fucking was an ISP BB pro no one ever even watched you bench. When that guy lifted the fuck, and he got that size. Just to lift me off. I bet he bulked up because he knew he goes, this one's going to be icon. Here is some video of him lifting off with no shirt. And he was like everyone's like who is by. He's he was a fucking he's in the weed business. Now, he's done. He's like two hundred pounds now. Oh, really? Wow. But he's healthy. And he's rich living snuck in life. You know, a love them you end up going through a lot of friends and training partners and stuff. I still because of how. Yeah, I still do. You know, it's it's it's very trying. There are some nights where guys don't show up. I can't lift. But right now, I got it pretty going on. I I'm bench and one time week right now, I body build the rest of the week. So doing full support work for four five days. And then I'm arm-wrestling powerlift on Mondays arm wrestle on Tuesdays. And then I'm doing support work for arm, wrestling and bodybuilding for my powerlifting. Let's bets dead lift I dead lifted over nine hundred I did nine hundred for six reps when I was younger, but I don't have an ankle anymore. So I I don't really fuck nine hundred pounds regular dead lift regular deadliest back in the day. And then what's your best squat? I squad a thousand pounds with no suit on before. I remember you saying that in that movie power limited. But he nobody believed it. No. I did. I did insane. I did it wasn't a powerlifting squat. Right. It was a bodybuilding squat. So you know, I was like above parallel. Right. But back when I was it wasn't San Santa. You gotta understand when you have heavyweight. That's what gets you big. You know what I mean? I'll do rack polls with like eight hundred pounds out of the rack right now. All I put a weight down on the play on the. Floor, and then I'll pull out of that. But you know, I'll do short motions and stuff because fuck. Doing something wrong. Then we gotta start working out. You know, what it is? Remember Randy Qatar? Yeah. Remember he was world champion, and he stopped for a year and a half. And he came back. What I'm doing better? Right. Mopped got mopped. Oh. Oh, guys asked right. At the age that I met now I could never stop. Because if you stop you lose it. You know? That's why Kellie can't Benjamin like you used to because he was imprisoned for too long. He's jacked Faulk and he's hitting good weight. But he just he's that's why not competing so even when you heard he's going to start competing again. So we'll see be great when you're doing like, all the arms and competitions were still maintaining that bench. Like, your until my last arm-wrestling competition, I was over thousand pounds. And then I did this paper view in Poland where I popped attendant. And I got killed. The dude was his name is Alex deca. He's the best arms or in Poland. He's one of the top guys in the world. Yeah. And and I lost. It was honorable. He be my ass six zero supermac six matches and on a first match. I hit him boom. And I started nailing them and something popped in my arm. So I thought my arm broke. So I went back and my coach my coach vase going. He's three time world champion. I said, dude. Pull on my arm is already talking about. I think my arms broken is like what he pulled my arm. Nothing. It happened. I couldn't grip them. He kept just nail in me. So shit happens. You know, when you're at a top level in any sport. It's like a drag car, you know, you're at the top peak. And and you know, when you're in a Toyota, you can burn it out all day. Nothing happens to it. But we are top fuel car should happens. You know, what's up with your sisters? She still have a gym. Yes. She's got blue-collar barbell New York, and it was always insanely strong. Yeah. She squatted about eight seventy at one hundred seventy pounds. Competition not yet. But she's going to she's going to she she did the WPRO and she lost against this like two hundred fifty pound black or I can't remember name from Texas. She's a beast strokes like KAI the crazy shit. You could be green sister. There's some strong women out there. And there are there are that chick that went the other day. I can't remember name one hundred nineteen pounds yet Steffi beast and she's hot too. I five hundred pound. Yeah. She's a beef. I saw online I was like God damn look at us chick. She's in good shape too on believable. What you how'd you get into this arm? Wrestling thing I had this happen. I got a car accident. If you remember, and I messed up shoulder, and it was really fucking bothering me. So I stopped and this guy called me up. And he's like I'm your biggest fan. Let me come out and see wanna talk to you. This is Travis Beijing right here is one of the best guys in the world. And I spent this he's crazy too. And then afterwards he lied and said he let me win like I'm the best in the world that bench yet. He let me come into his sport and beat them because it makes total sense. Right. Exactly. So anyway, so he comes over. And he goes, hey, you wanna arm wrestle? And I was like, I don't know he goes, and it was a practice at this Mexican restaurant and Travis was there. So we locked up together. And we started going, and he stopped and I'm like what's up? Do you something wrong? He goes now, it's just a friend that one of our arms are going to break. And I'm want it to be mine. And I was like really, and then I started arm wrestling. And I got good at it. And it's a very very, very technical sport. You know, there's shares for about four years four years. I got this little injury right now. So I gotta take some time off I tried to work through it. But it's a tendon thing and attendance stretched out. So the only way I can heal by not doing it. But it's good because my risk is straight on the bench. It's only when I'm twisting, my wrist. So it doesn't affect me on the bench. And like I said Monday hit a ten eighteen very easily that I had room. So I felt you know, it was like I hit that on Monday. And I thought to myself Scott Mendelson there. You are a right. You know? Felt great. It was like, I just got laid. What's the goal with arm-wrestling try to win a world championship? Yeah. That totally. I know people are going to kill me. If I don't ask a few of these specific bench questions since we have one of the all time greats. If not the greatest bench presser of all time, what are maybe two or three favourite assistance exercises for bench press them. You know, what I like to enclose grip triceps benchpress. That's a big one any specific way do many differently than normal closure. Go to where the nearly stops. Right. And I'll do such a five on that rear Delta's, a huge thing. So fours actually made me a rear delt machine with a four hundred pound stack on it. And so all do sets and sets a rear delt because when you're benching and you drive through and your pinch back when you stop. And then you go to forward like this. It's the rear delt. That's gonna help it. Yeah. You know, so rear delta super super important legs. What's the rear delt machine? It's just like a and just go away. Yeah. Yeah. So those any specific way or just what I do is. I'll do singles. Yeah. I'll put my left pack against the pad. I understand I'll grab and then I'll come from here. And I twist my body. It's a wide row. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I'll cheat it with my body just to get that extra. And then when I do my left. Oh, put my right back on their you know, and you guys ever need training. I do it online. You can get me at Mendis, Jim g mail dot com. You can give us a call at eight one eight six one six three one six one got guys at fly in from all over the world. And I train it looks like I'm gonna be torn Arizona for some seminar. Surely, so I'm going to be doing that. And if you guys wanna seminar, give me a call, let me know you guys own gyms, you want some people, you know, to be taught the right way. But I'll tell you right now. I'm just going to be honest with you on a fuck around my bench style is extremely aggressive. The work is extremely real. So remember in? Life. Nobody's gonna fucking give you shit you need to trample over their skulls and take what you want. Otherwise, you ain't getting shit because you know, what they'll smile at you and say, oh, yeah. I wanna help you. That's all bullshit. It's like the articles in the bodybuilding magazines about the routines that the pros give that's not their routines. They're just too insecure to give you the truth. Sorry. I'm the one to tell you that. So you just make people work there asp, they're going to seminar make or a car maybe not in the seminar, but the work load that I'm going to teach you is real, you know, I do legs every single week, you know, legs or a huge part of benchpress, you know, I- bench off of my lower body. You know, like, I told you when that benches swaying back and forth. I don't stabilize it from here. I just let the ride go. I'm tightening my hips up in my hamstrings, shoving those ankles down, and I'm stabilizing in it'll stop with your lower body, you'll tear PECS and biceps, and you know, shoulders and everything else trying to stabilize from your upper body. So never do that. How do you train your whole body? But void jacking yourself up for the bench. So like safety spot bar like e squad on squad anymore. I can't because of my ankle I use a super squat. So I'll have the, you know, the super squad with the pads go over your shoulder. So. I use that go thousand pounds for twenty thirty wraps. I'll hammer some shit out. I trained legs like a bodybuilder. But I train him heavy. You know, so high reps I'll do eight to twelve but I'm on machines. You know what I mean? Builder. I'm doing bodybuilder style exercises. Look the bottom line is. I was a bodybuilder before powerlifter in bodybuilders. No more about supplements. They know more about nutrition. That's how I was able to get ahead because you fucking fat dumb. Powerlifters? Don't know what the fuck you're doing. You know, why? I mean, even right now, I got ABS you know, what I'm saying. So it's like everything it's not about being fat. You know, everybody's like oh the belly the belly to belly. If you learn how to arch and send your stomach outward. You don't need to be fat. You know, live instead of fucking Dina forty recipes. Do fuck that. I wanna live. I wanna be able to move. I want to be able to talk. I'll drink to that. Ios Scott, like I'm curious because how you just benched thousand eighteen and right now like your your other ankle, look there's no ankle there. Right. So how how did you bench press form change to like I were a boot? That's okay. And the boot is about I took about two and a half inches out of my out of the the ankle out. And there's only one bone hanging onto my foot. It's fused directly to my foot. The other bonus bolted to my leg to the other bone. So it won't flap around. Yeah. So there's only one bone holding up. But you know, I it it's all hips. Everything's about the hip. The hip is the biggest strongest joint in the body when you dead lift where you coming from EPs when you squat where you're coming from. It's my bench style is just a lying down squad. It's a great way to look at it. Because now you're going to protect your shoulders and elbows reset now. Hundred percent, my left shoulder fucking fried. I don't have a pack in my left. You know, it's torn off. But by superceding it by pinching shoulder blades together in the elbows in you're using your inner triceps like a pry bar. So you're able to use your whole body to bench. Instead of just one part or two parts and everything's a system. You know, it's quite scientific there's four or five things going on in the dead lift there's four five six things going on the squat. There's forty two different movements going on in the bench press my bench style takes a year to learn. Is a lot of shit to remember do you think like every body type? Can Bentley bench similar way to the way you bench up for? Yeah. Okay. Absolutely. Even got longer leg S on. We look everybody like, you know, who Michael J whitest yet. Michael J whites like, my brother. He's smart. We're rebranding the time right now Strang train, Michael j white. He's he's just an incredible human being that's fucking. We just did a bunch of film that my gym. He's doing a new fitness thing. He's training at my gym. And he's doing the whole film thing at my gym. So and yes, I was authorized I'm allowed to talk about it. But you know, he came to me, and he's like, oh, I can't dead lift fuck you talking about you can't dead lift. So he's like, yeah. You know, my body's not built for it. Both of fuck told you that bro talking about so I showed him and he was like, oh my God. You know, everybody there think when they dead lift, you know, pull from your arms and your back, the deadliest is all hamstring and gluten hip, you know, a squat? You people think squad is a clunker set exercise. It's not it's hamstring. Gluten hip, you know, that's why you guys are blowing your knees out because you're trying to go from the front of your leg. If you lead from the back of your body, you're much more stable much, more secure. And that's where the real weight comes from on every lift every single lift. I don't care what it is any compound movement that back of the leg is your money. A knee is like a door hinge. There should be no pressure on it whatsoever. It should be able to bend all the pressure should be from the hip and gluten hamstring area. And yeah, I'm a bencher. But I train all three lips, you know, and a blow my YouTube channel up. Yes. Guys. I'm going to start doing some more YouTube stuff. I just I'm fucking caveman. I need to learn how to do this. So I'm on it. We're we're doing some shit. So what's good stuff? What's the way that you teach people to use their lattes 'cause it's a weird. It's a hard cue for some newer people. What do you mean lattes, you know, people bench pressing? So I heard you saying I forgot to mention earlier when describing how you bench press one of the first things you said is that you pull so you pull the weight down that's unconventional for a lot of people people thinking just kind of dropping the weight, but you're actually pulling the weight. So how do we kind of team from the? Let's okay, I'm pulling from my Rumbold's pulled from my traps on pulling for my rear delt s-. I'm pulling for my ass in hips and hamstrings. And triceps. So are there specific exercise you show people that can help them mimic that or get on the damn what I do is. I put him on the bench, and I'll have them get into the form. I had a I had my boy Jesse from Arizona. He came out last week the train with me in one workout. I put thirty six pounds on his PR, which is pretty incredible. You know what I mean? But the thing about it is is everybody benches from here. So what I do is. I have a drill ultimately drill, and I'll have improper prop bench position. And I'll take my fists and put them into their shoulders, and I tell them this is what I want you to do. Bring your heels down and drive and slide your shit right through my fist. So they'll slide into go up above my hands. I gonna know when you bench, you're an arch. So your trap should be dug into the bench as you benchpress, and I'll have them drill and they're fucking dying. I mean, the next day they wake up they're back in their in their legs or killing them. Because that's where you're benching off of you know, I have a analogy, and you guys will trip out on this. You know, the tidal wave that hit Thailand couple years back. He was a nine foot wave. Okay. A nine foot wave you could surf so basically your arms or the nine foot wave. What did the damage to Thailand was not the nine foot wave, but it was all the ocean in back of the nine foot wave that came in? So when you bench, this is only the contact point boom driving through my whole body and this motion this way, you take. This. And as you move back this way, you're here. So your inner triceps and your hands and your gluts in your hips are attached. I called a seesaw fact, so as I'm coming down on this way as going up this way. So. So you're going like this. You know what I'm in? Yeah. So you're saying that your head comes up off of the bench, then head has nothing to do with them. But yes, my head comes off the bench. I'll just 'cause like I hear your head is like your. It's like, you know, a crane a crane is this huge thing that lifts like all kinds of crazy shit up. But that little glass booth where the dude sits that's where all the action comes from yet, which is your head. So when I bench I get a lift off on here. And I'm looking around this is a separate body in my mind than all this. This is the glass case where the guy's going like this. This is taken all the control from this. And I call that a mind muscle linkup. Makes makes sense. Yeah. Really does. Right. Let's talk about so in two thousand thirteen you were trying to break. I think Eric spo- think he broke your record at the time. He hadn't broken break. My record. You're trying to break your own record. And ended up having a tear that really just fuck things up for for a while for you. Right. I remember like in the warm up room. You were you're going through your progressions and stuff. And and I think unfortunately, I think when you got the platform those cold it. Yeah. And I think that I don't even know if we had like the right people up there that are helping you in the guy on the left and someone gave you lift off from the side. And the other side didn't give you lift off. It was like a thorough on the platform. Yes. I mean. Yeah. Happened on the platform in the warm up room. I think they got it right away. Perfect. And then for some reason something got jacked up when the guy when I hit the seven sixteen the guy on the left dropped the weight on me, no shit. So what happened was my elbow flared out, and I was trying to get it back in. And when I hit the bottom it was like this. It was out a little bit. But the week wasn't heavy 'cause I had done it a million times. I was good. So when I threw it up it was like thirty Qatar strings of. So it was it was kinda crazy. But I was ready that day, you know. But it wasn't wasn't my time. Now, it was my exit that day. Yeah. Should happen. Right. You know what? When you're in the sport. Like, I told you you're at the max, you're in the dragster shit happens Motors blow things happen. So when it comes to any and all things, you know, a lot of performance enhancing drugs. Utilized in this sport in bodybuilding and many sports. I if I think if I remember correctly, you were talking about taking something hype you up for the band or something like that like nitroglycerin or something none. I'll just do a Monja ammonia. Yeah. I do you. You're talking about something. Really? No. No. No. No. No. And then CO calm. I am. Yeah. You're definitely not my night with you. I'm like. Yeah. Okay. And then like I mean, so you've been doing this for a long time. And you know, when you're chasing after something so hard, it can be on healthy in some ways to get blood work done and stuff, you get checked out. I do I got a guy name Fong in LA that does my blood work and monitors me. And I I'm till I'm taking care of Unum. Yeah. That's smart. Is it can this kind of stuff can can really take. It's toll on you. When you've been done pushing so hard for so long. Yeah. Seven seven hundred sixteen point five pounds or watching him setup for it. Guys, kind of pushing him into helping. Oh, my there. Yep. Just like you said, and this kind of shit is always hard to watch. Especially when somebody now. It's okay. I was their dorm, but see right there. No. My elbow is outright there. If you see that left elbow pack Boeing. Just dives right in there. It was a bad and what sucked as I drove up here. Oh, man. I had a drive eleven hours back home, and it was like every fucking bumpy. It was just like. Brutal was part of going for that lift was that kind of because Eric spo- was was coming around at that time. And he was starting finger. Rob, robin. Remember, no, I was just having fun. You know, just having fun. I was in shape. Yeah. And you know, I was just trying to get my world record a little bit higher. You know, about how many exercises would you do in a given workout when you were kind of prepping for these contests will on well when I'm benching I just bench because when the weights so heavy I can't do support work during the same workout. So I'll just bench when I bench any tissue elbows or like jello. And then a couple days later, I'll do legs next day. So I don't have to mess with my elbows. And then I do bodybuilding, you know, I'll do biceps. I'll try I'll do shoulders a lot of trap work back chest. You know, the whole thing type of specific traffic as you do. I have a trap exercise jam Blakely taught me, and it's Smith machine you can do it on a barbell too. But I'll pick it up, and then I'll roll might traps forward and bring my head into it. And I'm what I'm doing is pushing my neck into my traps like field trips. Mark like, my Trumpster here. Right. No, no, keep your hands like table. Keep your hand. I'm here and I'll squeeze forward here. And then I'll squeeze back Trump and just stay forward and squeeze back, and I'll just do that. And it works. I got my Neth at twenty eight and a half inches like that right now it's about twenty five and a half. So that's insane. That's like, not even you're not even really shrug. It's just kind of movement of your head. Yeah. But you're you're taking intensity, and you're putting that into your trap to its neck and trap involved. Yeah. A great exercise. Tommy never thought doing anything like that. Yeah. A little little chicks trust show. You guys out. After outta here. What some of the training that you do for arm-wrestling armrest wing specific exercises, a lot of forearm work, like, you know, what before I started arm wrestling. I never could really contract my form when I contract my forum. I feel the end of my forearm right here. Like a bicep. You know what? I mean. I never felt that before. So I developed that we do a lot of wrist work a lot of bicep work and bicep work instead of coming all the way down and doing this. 'cause you're enormous when you're here. So we'll go from here. Go on this way, not full because arm-wrestling you're here the whole time by the time you get here. You've lost, you know, except if you're doing kings move, which a king's move is like watch. Like way come over here. Mary I'm going for a ride. I think. Well, my now I'm gonna come down like this pin me ours. You can't go what I'm doing is. I've locked my wrist, right? And this is a king's move. So you stay stabilizing. Yes. So I'm stabilized in here. Gladys orders. You can't go. Do it. Go. You don't wanna be there? Right. Are you doing that on purpose? Way to maybe there's a gun in Michael Todd. And he's the king of the kings moves. I beat him up the Arnold. He felled out. And then they told me I lost. Did it political as fuck? But if you go online look me versus Michael Todd like he's he's lost already. And I'm like going what the fuck is out to the judge. Yeah. While I'm holding them. And you know, we we sort of we're gonna meet again, I'm gonna fuck them up. It's crazy. They're like after four years. I'm Todd is one of the best in the world. He's like the real deal. Yeah. And watch he'll hit me. And the guy the judge guys. The guy's name is Leonard. He's one of the best judge in the world. But he just wasn't watching an afterwards. He was like, look I made a mistake. He's an honorable man. He made a mistake, and you know, things happen. See right there. We slip out. And now though strapless up. Yes. Interestingly strappy together, why distracted together in the beginning. Because it's just hand on hand. If you slip, then they strap you out, so they'll strap us up. Iloc into each other now. And then you're locked in see when it's not strapped, then they can attack my hand and do all that kind of stuff. But once you're strapped up, and it's all about power. Yeah. And as you know, ladies, and Joe I got that power. Now watch he'll hit me. I don't have what it was called a hit when they go boom. I don't know how to do that really good yet. So watch. Hill hit me, and we'll just go down. I hold them. So he starts aggressively and explosively watch. Seems like this would be frustrating. You know, what it's it's a it's chess is what it is. I saw the documentary pulling John that was pretty damn cool. See when he hit me. Yeah. And now we're in position. And now you're spot where you can just hold them for awhile. I got him and watch all come up to get him. I go to pin them. It's almost like you're trying to have him where himself out. That's what I'm doing. He's trying to win his elbows at a weird angle. And look once your elbow comes off the pad you fell and he's pulling off the pad multiple, right? And they're not see. He's off the Patrick there. And then is off the Pat again, he they should. And then I go to get them. And then he stops and says that I felt he said you took your elbow, and I didn't. So then they restart us. See he says, I'll will gonna be pretty tired at that point. Right. Nadia six hours a cardio week bump good to go. What kind of car you mentioned your life psych like, but do you go pretty hard? Yeah. I mean, I go at about a hundred and thirty five heart rate. Oh, yeah. I'll do an hour at a time as good clip. Yeah. No, it's cool. That's that's really good. So you do it six days a week? I do six hours of cardio week ham. We'll do. Everything's cardio involve, bro. It is your if you've got no gas. Then you have no reason to do anything. You can't do anything. You can't recover from one workout the next very well either. You know, right. And that's a huge factor. I think a lot of powerlifters are missing they should know powerlifters new cardio scared. There's muscle. Yeah. They're always terrified lose muscle mass, bro. The muscle that you lose you don't need. Anyway. What do you mean by that? What I mean is the amount of muscle that that's gonna take right from you not even enough to complain about. It's like get over it and get on the cardio you. Lazy motherfucker? That makes a lot of sense are no watch here. It is. Hit me again, boom. I got him loose elbow Elmo lately off they should have been done right there. Yeah. Now watch look, I'm pointing what the fuck is that Leonard. And then look. He look look what I felt now I'm like what the fuck in an Arnold was right there. And I was like about to go nuts. And I was like I pulled together people. So I walked off. I was like, okay. Because you know in powerlifting. You can't tell the ref to go fuck himself. And you know, what mistakes happen? It just sucks that you train your azoff. And they just don't see it. You know, you know, what I did do them afterwards. I walked up to him. I said, brother. Thank you walked away. I'll get a besting. That's all you can do. But inside. The rage. Well, you know, what had a good experience. And then, you know, arm wrestlers hate my guts all of them do every time I win manage. Visit. Remember after that it went on Mendelssohn. We'll be world champion. He did win above a and I was like all right. I got some respect for like a day. And they were like fuck Mendelssohn. With you know, all the injuries and all the different things have happened. You'll have been able to manage pain you mentioned like so many surgeries and things like that. And I've had, you know, both of my brothers have lost one brother and the other brothers been hooked on painkillers and alcohol and things get coughing. No. I never got caught up in that. I think I'm the only strength training guy. That's not on appeal habit. I take naproxen anti-inflammatory it's like leave or something. And I and I'm a thorough believer in ice. I soak my my wrists in my elbows in my ankles. I go fifteen twenty minutes in. I mean, if you're put your limited ice bucket performing for the first five minutes, your fucking agony has and then it goes numb. And then you're just sitting there watching TV, you know, jokes. But I'll tell you when you come out of it. You're great and another thing back to the cardio cardio sucks. People. I hate it. Just like you do, but I'll tell you when I'm done with the cardio nothing hurts nothing in my body hurts it's like everything's warm. Everything feels beautiful, you know, it's like, you know, in a system in any kind of system, you can't leave out. It's like you can't build a motor and not put oil in it. You have to do every step of the system. If you don't then it's not a system, and it's the consistency of a system. And it's the willpower to be consistent. You know? The thing is it's like you just gotta keep coming back. It's like, you know, all this time every time I weighed when I first bent six hundred, you know, everybody thinks it's all muscular, but it's not muscular central nervous system that controls. Muscular system, and as you train and train you ever have the best workout of your life. And then the next day for like a month. You're just like holy fuck. What the fuck is going on. Well, you killed your CNS out. Now, there's good things and bad things. The good thing is is that when you kill your CNS out if your bench six hundred when you come back you're bench and six twenty six twenty five and then you kill it out again. And then you're doing six forty five and all the way up to eleven hundred pounds. I've killed my central nervous system out like three hundred times. It's taken all these years to make it happen. So, you know, it's it's the dedication. And it's training right now, the bad thing about it is if you have a competition coming up and you kill your CNS out your fucked. You're running at sixty percent. And you're not going to be doing what you should be doing in that show. So there's a knowledge about training. And that's learning your body on how much to push before each show. Do you go back and forth between going heavy and going lighter because he said he bent sworn once a week, and you're at that thousand pound twice a week when I can when I get ready to compete, although once a week, both kind of heavy both go heavy heavy heavy all the time. All the time. Heavy heavy heavy heavy. Would you do that? Even when you're a raw, even when I was real. Yeah. Just push. What it whatever's there, you just take whatever's there? No. I mean, I have a tannery of what I'm doing. But I don't max out every single time. But if I'm working with a thousand I'm working with thousands. That's heavy now in a bencher, it usually makes the most sense of you can't really do much rep rep work. I mean, he can do some, but I do report. Absolutely. So do you do rep work raw and both in an adventure to absolutely? Yeah. Absolutely. Do you do a lot of single kind of train that top end. Or here's like like, I'll give you an example. I'm trying to. My strength up right now. And I don't wanna kill my central nervous system out right now. So I'm doing singles doubles just trying to get back into the groove. And and and have my central nervous system feel that heavyweight. And if I start pounding lot of reps out, I'm gonna kill it out. And I'm not going to be able to do the job that I need done. Another thing learning and understanding your system, you know, sometimes this takes years, ladies and gentlemen to get you to a point to where you can feel what's going on in your body. And that's why you gotta go a lot of you guys have coaches, they don't know what the fuck they're doing. I mean, I get guys that tell me just kid Jesse from Arizona last week. He comes over and he I start teaching him. And he goes, I don't know how to fucking benchpress I'm training with this guy. I can't remember fucking naming Arezzo as like supposed to be the Gurun Arizona, and he calls the dude up and guys like so would you learn from Mendelssohn? And he said, well, pretty much everything that you showed me was wrong. You know what I mean? And like, you know, the guys like, well, you know, I'm not Scott Mendelson. Well, you know, what maybe you shouldn't fuck and be teaching bench press. There are people out there that know you guys just have to find the me the Ryan Canales's the the guys that know what the fuck they're doing. You know, that aren't going to put in harm's way and not gonna waste your money and your time because this dude's been training for quite a few years comes out to me. And he's like only fuck I've wasted ten thousand dollars over four years. You know, and it's great that you're making home was both payment and everything, but where's your progression? Where's your progression? You're not getting what you should get me. If I'm buying a fucking car. I want the motor. That's in it that I want I wanted to perform like I want. But maybe then again, you guys like wasting money, and there are people out there that need money. So keep doing it. Well, when it comes to you're talking about kind of frying out the central nervous system. So it sounds like you're real careful with the overall volume that you do absolutely now if I'm doing of volume cycle, and I'm trying to burn my nervous system out the natural whole different deal. Like once I get back in shape now, and I'm hitting eleven hundred and do a show after that. If I'm doing a training cycle. I'll pop it down in nine twenty five nine fifty and do triples with that, you know, and just to get my body work and with it because the reps are what are going to make you stronger. You know, the thing about my system is that I've been doing this so long that I know how my body reacts. And I know where I've been so it's not like I'm going back to somewhere where I haven't been before. So your body has you know, the muscle memory, right? You know, your body wants to go back like when I hit that weight on Monday to afterwards. Like, my body was killing me, and I've been. Going below thousand and I hit nine oh six the week before. And I got the bulldog bench bar, you know, and I fucked up, and I I loved it. It's fifteen pounds moral. Right. So I loaded up a thousand three and I was like, yeah. And then I hit my boys like, you know, that was ten eighteen and I was like sweet. Anything? Okay. You know what I mean? So, you know. Yeah. You know, the workouts can take a really long time to obviously the raw lifting might take a little bit less time because the weight would be less. How long were your raw workouts versus your geared workouts? Well, workouts, it's not the time in between it's getting geared up. Yeah. You know, getting geared up could take five six seven minutes on positioned every time, you know, you wanna get in that shirt. Right. They got a rap yet. Because you know, when you're all you can wrap yourself. But when you know you wearing a triple ply shirt, you know, can't move. You're like this. You know, what I man it's like being a t Rex trying to grab a beer of coffee. You helped me at one of your meats, actually, I bombed out of the meat. But it was it wasn't. I I had no experience in that shirt. But was crazy is you're like me to put more weight on there. And so we put more weight on there for for the next two. Sets for the next two attempts rather and the last attempt was the best one and like he's still needed like another fifty pounds. But you you just showed me certain things and how to tweak the shirt and how to do stuff like that. And then I brought that information back and that was probably when I was benching maybe like mid sevens or something I went on the bench eight fifty four learned a lot, dude. Let me tell you something. I remember at the LAX bo-, we were staying at the Marriott or whatever. And you walked up to me that one year. I can't remember what year was might have been owned nine or something like that. Do you like three hundred sixty pounds? And I looked over at my boy nickel. Look how fucking big Mark is. I mean, did you like a fucking refrigerator and my boys like, what are you fucking talking about look at you? I go I can't see me. Have fucking big. He is right now. Like holy shit. You were just like. Raw? Chooses scott. And I have crossed paths a shitload of times you're at a PF senior nationals that is in bigger stronger faster. And then also you ran the me at the LA, right, right? Also, fifty four, isn't it? It's also in bigger stronger faster. No at that time. So I hit twenty six you hit there well towards the end of that movie towards the end of bigger stronger faster. I hit a seventy five bench at a senior nationals the other lifts were. They were done a little bit later on road Ohka. But yeah, it's just been crazy. How we've been in kind of circle. You know, I kind of started at the same time kind of and they were doing all three lifts back. Then. Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, a Bradley castleberry who everybody thinks just lifts fake weights. He's strong spotted him Venice a couple of weeks. He competed in one of your meats that you ran. You ran a lot of meat. So you might remember really? Yes. So he what he did was is he tried like a six hundred pound squat in the warm up room, a six oh five squatter six thirty five this a long time ago, and he was super Jack. Then he missed the attempt in the warm up room. And I was so then I went over to him. He dropped the weight on the ground or something. I went over to like, hey, man was like, I'm just curious. What's your what's your opener? 'cause like if flight hasn't started yet, you should probably change it. He's like, oh my openers like five forty. I was just like, okay. This guy's really new. No, he he performed well in the benched over four, and I think he pulled six and it was a long time ago. But he's a strong counselor is cool. I summit Venice few months back. I spotted him. They did a video be spot them. He was doing like hundred pound dumbbells. He's a savage. He's a beef. And he's got a good build. The thick thick, dude. Who what up castleberry who's the strongest guy you ever came across? Other than Scott Mendelson. His lot of training partners grow. Andy fiedler. He was a big strong fucker. Andy bolton. Yeah. And that was fucking in Africa me and him were killing it together. Now's amazing. He he was one of the thickest, dude. I've ever seen from here to here. I found dead lift. Yeah, he was a fucking beast, and Gary Frank, of course. Yeah. There's a lot of strong, motherfuckers, bro. It's amazing to see how much power the thing has grown. How strong people are now. Yeah. I like a lot of new. I like I like lily bridge. I think he's fucking unbelievable man as a piece of Ladd. Oh my God. He's a fucking. He had the world record. I heard as a knee replacement. I think so and he did a five hundred two pound or five hundred thirty five hundred three kilo squad or whatever just a fucking beast, bro. Yeah. But a goddess there's a lot of dues out there that are very fucking talented. Yeah. I mean, even even big boy strength gase boy up. You know what? And I tell them the fucker. I'm like, dude, I would make that guy in absolute world champion, and I tell him, dude. What the fuck are you doing his Amaury world class? I go do what are you on number six in the world. I'm like don't you want to be number one? What the fuck, bro? See any lives right near me. Dude. Fucking come out of fucking hook you up, bro. You know, what I just don't get it at ROY Walker. I tell them fuck all the time. I mean, he can't bend seven hundred was wiped wrong. He just can't fuck and do it. And he's strong as fuck. He's paying too. I see him. I go, dude. Call me Noko. I'm sorry. But if I if I wanted to drive a car and Mario Andretti live down the block from me. I'd be up that motherfucker so far possessing glass stomach, so I. I mean, I don't get what the fuck these dudes. I don't get it. I think it goes back to what you said earlier about like, YouTube and Instagram. That's that's what you didn't want to be known for that you want to be known as lifter, and maybe they have other desires, and they don't know. But hey, both you mother fuckers call me, I'm telling you right now, you wanna fuck and be a YouTube guy or you want to be the real fucking deal and big boy saw your fucking dead lift the other day that was looking good ship. Good shit nine hundred. He's a he's Fiqh mother Duggar. He's a beast, bro. He's a beast. I think I would love to fuck and train him, bro. Yeah. I would love to train him. He's a good guy too. Nice guy. Leroy's a nice guy. All these guys are cool, dude. Pull your heads out of your ass and call me eight one eight three nine nine zero nine zero five make it happen. Make it fucking happen. I think a lot of people are they're scared to kind of push that next. I don't know why that next Lascaux scary about being the best thing. It's a sacrifice for people are not willing to not willing to. I mean, they're already stemming on the go. Makes no sense to me makes no fucking sense to me. Maybe like a tempting and failing it though like to skates because you're scared even you know, but they're already failing. They're failing. They're happy with it. They're happy failing. Yes. Yeah. I do think that some nice people get they get caught up in social media. You know, they caught up in kind of wrapped up and they have to strike shit. You know, they're like he said they might be kind of comfortable. I mean, these guys are savages look these guys can lift some crazy weights. But I think that order to get to that next level and be world class and be world champion for most people. You're going to have to block out everything else. You're gonna have to sky. What if he if if they become number one all kinds of other doors will open for them? Right. But it's okay. Because I'm gonna come back this year and be number one. Well, if you look at like, a you know like chocolate Dell and Tito Ortiz. Tito, Ortiz was always kind of looked looking for the fame and fortune of it, and Chuck Ladele would just kick the shit out of people. Rush up Ladele made way more money Vining. Tito, Ortiz it or the Tudo didn't do bad. No. Of course. He did. Great. And then maybe afterwards, even maybe potentially did better because he had more spotlight or something like that. It just kinda goes to your point of like just be established just get after, you know, work on being a champion block other things out might be some sacrifices along the way. But in the long run, that's what's gonna win. Nobody remembers number six. Now what second place for loosens? Not. I I lose verse. Loser. That's true. I don't know what you've got Andrew. You said that you were going to bring back your YouTube channel. 'cause we had a couple asked about it. Yeah. I'm going to start filming on that. I got some plans cool. So I'm gonna speak to a couple of people about the. And then we'll go we'll go from there. It's such a great job on this show today. And when you were just I mean, I can pick you to setting up a Cameron to talking. Yeah. I mean, it's so simple. One camera when Mike phone just go Scot Mendelson talks about food. You know, how to get big. Yeah. I mean as you can also talk about how good small ninety thousand sixteen weeks. Yeah. I mean, you know, talk about bodybuilding, we're lifting. I mean the bench press information that you shared only one guy in the world can share it one person. That knows what you know. That was a hard thing about working with Eric. You know, like when I got him to certain point, you know, he he was he was having a hard time performing in front of the crowd. You know? And he's having a hard time kind of getting that next level. I said what you're about to do. No one's ever done. So I said, you know, who knows how to do this you. Yeah. That's it. And that's a hard thing to do when you broke when. You broke the bench record. And you still have the bench record whoever comes along and breaks that next they can get guidance from somebody. They can get shown the right way. They can get shown all these things. But if you're gonna break that record gonna take a lot of guts and take a lot of balls because no one's ever lifted more than that before that way class. You know, what the key to it is about lifting in public not looking into the crowd, right and just ignore look at the fucking bar. It's another fucking lift if I never a bench would twenty thousand people fucking watching me, and it's just like you walk out. Just look at the bar. Don't even look in the crowd. Don't even let none of that fucking bother you. And then all sudden, you're in the gym because once you get that liftoff, it's island. It's like an lift appetite. It's like. You know? Yeah. Maybe somebody's listening right now. And you know, maybe they've gone through some hard times. And maybe they, you know, aren't aren't quite figuring out how the turn a corner. What is something that's helped you at a hold onto sounds like lifting weights always been something that you've been able to hold onto to kind of to keep you focused. What's something that somebody should kind of focus in on for the long game into turn her life around? You know, one time I had this rich guy one of my clients and who's worth like fifty million bucks. Damn. And I'm like his name was Luke. And I'm like, Luke give me a fucking idea to make a million dollars. Go, you know, I work all fucking day long. Whatever it is tell me a bust my ass. I can I can do it. You just tell me, and he looks at me pause for a minute. Fucking waiting waiting and like fuck, and he looks at me. And he goes, you know, what I don't know what you should do. What look talking about. He goes. I don't know what you should do. But whatever you do do what, you know, do what you know. 'cause that's what's going to work for you. In lane in bed with my ex wife like two years later, and all of a sudden, it's like a Piff Amee he comes into my head. And he's like do what you know. And I was like I'm opening a fucking, Jim. That's what I know. So you think maybe some of the answers that people might be looking for already inside. Maybe you detail cars, maybe you are mechanic. Maybe you're a banker whatever it is. Everybody has their talent. You know? I'm not going to sit there and go. Yeah. You go open a gym. And then if it fails, you're going to be like, oh, the Fook Nestle he told me to open a gym and it sucked and it went out of business because that wasn't your thing. You know, you each have an inner talent within you that all of you are capable of exploiting a positive way take that talent and exploited. And if it is a gym if it's weightlifting give me a call all help you out. You know, if it something else find somebody like, I wanna learn how to arm wrestle. I called up Devon Lorette. And Canada like one of the best guys in the world. And I was like Devon who. By the way was at my gym this week. Twice and we all wrestle. It was fucking great. But I called him up. And I was like dude took me right into his house for a week at a time. I went three weeks out last year. You know, all these guys, you know, if you wanna be the best get hold of the best learn from the best don't learn from some fucking guy. That's like two blocks over from you in less. He's the best. You know, because you know, what if you reach out if they say, no, you haven't lost any ground just having gained any ground. You're in the same place that you are right now. It's like picking up on chicks. If the chick says, no, what are you gonna do? Go in your house and like bro you add in the couch for a week. Fuck. No. You're going to be like all right? She said, no you go to the one next door. Eventually somebody's going to say, yes. And you're gonna be happy. So, you know, don't be afraid to stick your neck out. You know, all you people that want to compete in. You know, what I, you know, there's very little world champions in the world. If it was so easy. Everybody a world champion, you know, but to put your dick in the dirt and stick it out there, and it takes a lot. But when you do it you'll feel better about yourself. And remember if you don't do it. You're not gonna know if they say, yes, you never gonna know. Lifting all those big weights and all the pressure that builds up you must have poop story or two for us. No shit, my pants, never shit, your pants or anything bench band. So disappointing whatever out of hemorrhoids my whole life people like you living hundred pounds. You never had a fucking ham. Roy like this guy Jimmy at hemorrhoids Surgers like, you know, how bad it hurts and you go through this. And that and I'm like. He's like what you've never had a hemorrhoids. I'm like. What's the worst? Grossest thing that ever happened you in lifting. First time I ever benched a thousand pounds. I went blind for five minutes completely line completely blind. I pulled I took it down and about halfway down the lights went out, and I thought to myself will blind. So better finish because I'm internet. Have this chance again to down prep? Boo. Wrecked. It up through like, yeah. I can't see for like ten minutes. I couldn't see. And then all of a sudden, I guess everything constricted in my eyes. You know, so much pressure in like ten minutes later, so little white light. And then it started to like, relax and open up. And then I was able to see again, the first time I benched eleven hundred pounds. I coughed up a big blood clot. Oh my God. I got off the bench, and I was like. And like a fucking piece a jello like that big came out the four and everybody teams, all quiet, man. What is like outgrow it? And she took a paper towel and didn't even wipe it. She just like grabbed it picked it up. Oh, yeah. I wish he would kept. It looked bitching keeping glass case had a surgeon training at the time. And he's like holy fuck. You didn't cough that up. It could have killed you. And I was like good thing. I hit eleven hundred may have made it my life squeezed it. Right. Outta. Yeah. Did that's about the grossest? I've never, you know, ripped my asshole and have or. You know, nothing about like you guys arms break during benches. Oh shit. Yeah. You know, at one of my meets the at the fit expo snapped both bones right on right in half on his arm Tam. Yeah. But I mean was the worst injury to come back from definitely that pector yet tick, the longest right? It took about a year a year later, and you know, what is funny because I put that picture up. I'll make sure when everywhere. Yeah. The purple picture. I put it up a year later just to show people that hey, you can get this fucked up, and you could come back. I didn't know it was going to go virus on Tosh point. Oh now sitting in a restaurant and two people a walk up, and they're like, you're the purple guy, and I'm like fuck that fucking gnarly wild picture and the crazy. Oh, this is what happened to me. This was a good one. When that happened. I woke up like three days later and dude my nut sack filled up with blood. It was like that big. And I had to do a seminar New York. So my partner. My partners veterinarian, right? So I go to him. And I'm like, hey, bro. You gotta help me, bro. And he's like what? And I pull my pants down. And he's like fuck. I mean, dude, it was so big that it sucked. My dick in my nuts. I had a sit down to eat. It was like crazy, bro. So I'm tripping and I go to him. And he goes oh, fuck, dude. We got a drain it or something. I gotta go to New York on a fucking plane for a seminar, and he's like the worry about it. And do my partner is like he's a doctor and he's like monotone, bro. Don't worry about it. And I'm like, bro. What the fuck? And he's like, I said don't worry about it. It'll be fine. I'm like, dude. Look at this motherfucker, bro. There's nothing about this. And he looks at me, and he goes, bro. It ain't my dick. And I was like fuck you. So I walk out, and I wait like one in the morning to go to emergency room. And I go in the emergency room. And they're like, oh, what are you here? And I go, well, I told a pack, but that's not why I'm here. And they're like, oh, well, let's see PEC tear. I take my jacket off. And it's that and they're like, oh my God. What the hell? Like look shut up. I know what this is. I know what this is. I'm here for something else. Get me with the doctor. So they'd give me an emergency rooms one in the morning and the doctor walks in he goes, so I hear you here for a pet care. I said, no, I'm not here for a PEC tear is like what are you here for giant balls? He goes, what are you here for and Croom will my pants down nuts? Your fucking purple like this big. And he looks at me, and he goes. Impressive. And I look at him, and I'm like to thank you. And he's like what I go. Nobody's ever looked at my dick and set in prison. So do to drain it. I gotta go to New York. And he goes don't worry about it or go and Joan and I was like fuck. Like, you had one of those bouncy things like little kids have through right around. Sit on the plane took off and I stood up and grab one pick it up. No. It was like I had to pick it up. Mike wads take go down like two months. Two months couldn't ice or nothing. No. I did. I had like packs of peas on it pees like form in where you really like motivated like show anybody that Astor's. Like do check this. I did I did. I dude you got to see my dick. Fuck and see this, bro. Be here forever horse. Oh, that's like a demon or something. Right. It's just which is you know, blood goes with gravity. Right. Right. That was ripped up top everything goes down. It went all the way to my ankles bleed mile. It was crazy, and that's great at is all here at super trading. And so that pictures at the doctor's office. No, that's up my gym. I'll tell you Jim d it now it looks like you have a bencher on right there. No. That's a t shirt. It's just a t-shirt house like crazy bastard, benching again, no how long was it. So you started benching a year later owes at eleven hundred oh shit. Yeah. How many weeks and months was it after the pector that you started just bench pressing period about four months afterwards? And you didn't get surgery. No, I didn't get new surgery defy come near mind to get your. I mean, I thought about it. But the thing was, you know, the amount of weight that bench to peck. Would it just went again? And if I just it attach it reattached. I got a little desperate dimple right here. But you know, my raw days are over pretty much. I can't go over five hundred. How did you rehab? It. Just I started with bands. And I started doing that. I was in New York. There was a famous famous massage guy Michael camp, and you Michael I never heard him porno. Yeah. Like a lot. I have b B pros using my sister was friends with him. So she took me to him for a week. He just beat the fuck outta me. And then at gold advantage Jeff Metcalf, who's dead. He committed suicide recipes he worked on me for a while. And he brought me back. So I did that and. You know, it was just it was a it was the hardest thing coming back like you really have to want that broke. It was like get depressed at all during any. No, no. You know, what I have so much shit going on in my life. Those one day when I woke up, and like everything was just dismal. I was just like fuck. And I thought is this depression, this is depression one day in my life. Yeah. Luckily for me, I never get. I never get that either. Yeah. I just there's too much shit going on if you're busy all the time. I don't think you really get depressed. I mean super excited about stuff along. Yeah. You know what I mean? So I mean, you know, guys like me, and you when you're stacked up, and you always got to have other shit on. If you're sitting around you have nothing to do. And you're like should starts getting to you. You know, I'm just not a really depressed kind of guy like, you know, people that kill themselves to me, they got fucking way more heart than me 'cause I'm a pussy. I couldn't kill myself. You know, stick it a gun in your mouth and blow. Hell, no. I'd be like dude fuck that. I doing that shit. I'm not I don't have that kind of like balls. It's just like, you know. So what else is Scott Mendelson? Did he watch TV into any? I love movies. I'm a big movie guy. I collect comic so favorite movies. Well, avengers endgame. Did. You see it? I heard nothing, but good thing. Seen it so good. So guys. This is what I'm just. One of the best movies I've ever seen as a matter of fact, I'm here with Ashley Crawford. She's number two in the world for strong woman. Could she come up here? Real quick chicer- cash up here. Get up come here. Come on actually, get him on. You know, what people are watching the whole world is awaiting your arrival come over here. Yeah. Go for it. Just hop over there. Close his mic. Yeah. Actually, say, hi. Anyway, this is Ashley Crawford and she's number two in the world. She came to me about four years ago. And she said, listen, she was taking strong and stuff from Jim called, east coast, west coast and. In Costa Mesa. So she comes to me. And she goes, listen, I wanna get strong and evaluated her. And I was like fuck you listened in two years, you could be a world champion, and she was like shut the fuck up two years later. What happened? Two years later, what kind of weight lifting over there? I know strongman you're doing different nationals for the AP F. Powerlifting. Also, so Poon what about five fifty on deadliest axel accident lift I did about five five four. That's the actual bed will be messing around. And I think huge. Yeah. She'll regular deadly. If she's about five and a half a little bit more almost three hundred on the bench and fifteen ton truck, Norway. Yeah. Matter of fact, if you look it up Ashley Crawford pulling a fifteen ton truck in Norway. You can put the film up and see that shit. It's pretty it's pretty crazy. Do you have strongman stuff at your general? It's on my Instagram. No. That's what she goes to east coast, west coast. But now, she's an air traffic controller so she's out here in Oakland. So things are cool. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. So she's traded at a gym called. What is it called work at war cat? Yeah. Yeah. That's her. That's her right there. Forty seconds that looks brutal. Oh, dude. It's crazy where they what does that call? That's. Yeah. That's just a Hercules hold all Hercules, hold. Yeah. We're the both the logs are pulling your body. Crazy. This girl pulled second place. She ended up winning this one. Yeah. Leitheid? She's a world champion, right? Nutri with her. Okay. Actually took first place that year, she took second. Oh, very cool right after there you go. That's a good training partner. Just like you said you gotta find the best right up -solutely. No, this is she took first. Here's Ashley porn a fifteen truck, bro. Yeah. That's awesome. And that's who stand on the side effects. I I really love seeing the explosion of women into some of these strengths for awesome. And so cool like there's I made a three hundred pound dead lift nowadays for girls is like they all the warm. Yeah. Yeah. They all do it. Yeah. Four hundred five hundred in starting to see. Now, there's some girls pulling on six hundred pounds. I mean, I don't know where I don't know where all and Scott, what's your when when you going to try to compete again. You know, what I'm thinking about going back in the next eight weeks. Thanks. I'm thinking about going back into next eight weeks. I'm gonna figure something out just to get my feet wet and word is there some WPRO shit going on again. Oh, wow. So that happens on popping back into that. And they'll bring it back to the Arnold and stuff like that. Or, you know, I don't know. I don't know. But all I know is I'm gonna sit down put it together. I'm getting in shape first and then. She's gonna start happening again yet to take a little break off the arm wrestling because of the forearm deal. Yeah. So focusing strictly on the bench press right now, which is good. My lips are going up phenomenally Monday. I think I'm gonna go ten fifty. So I'm feeling good about it, man. And it just feels so good to be back in my element. I look I love arm wrestling. But that's not my thing. You know, even though I love it. Right. You know, and look I plan on winning some major shit arm wrestling. But you know, what bench is me? Powerlifting is me. That's my crew. That's my crowd, and I feel kind of like neglected lately. As far as to the public and everything else because I was focusing so much on the arms Ling. But it's time. It's I agree. You know, I'd love to see come back at the platform. Again. It's going to happen soon. Nobody fifty as ever hit a thousand eleven hundred. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna fuck it up. So I'd like to. You my body feels good right now. Everything feels real good feels real stable. And of no reason, why can't do it my shoulders feeling real good. I've rehab it over the last few years from, you know, not a move it while I'm sleeping too. You know, coming back and a lot of it's been through bodybuilding, you know, but you know, a lot of injuries take a long time, and you got to be patient in the recovery. And it's just. It you can't give it the time that it needs. It takes on time. And whatever that timetable is. I'm just really fortunate to be back now. And I feel really blessed that I'm able to do what I love again, you force stuff in your training. Like, if you know you've handled nine hundred pounds and just feels like crap you continue onward. It just depends. You know, sometimes I can go in and if it's feeling like, maybe I'm going to injure myself. I'll stop I listened to myself. Yeah. You know, because you know, what the workout really doesn't really matter when it comes to the big picture. It's like, you know, there are many battles in a war. And you may lose some battles and still win the war. Right. You know, she got a pick and choose nobody as a human being his peaked all the time. Right. You know, it's hard. It's hard when you're young. You know, when you're newer and you're getting excited. Yeah. It's hard to back off. Yeah. No, it is it is. But you know, what? Once you're. Knowledgeable, and you're you're really in touch with your body, and your feelings, you can kinda get a feel and and kind of be like, hey, you know, what I'm in? It was like that day. When I when I blew my pack from the lift off it was off. I what I should have done was thrown back in the rack, right? But because I was in that moment, and I just wasn't thinking straight and the weight really wasn't heavy. I was like you know, what I can make the correct strong enough. Yeah. And unfortunately when my day, right? But you know, what it made me a better, man. It taught me a lot of things and maybe got in arm-wrestling Vata got me. No. That was a car accident. That's arm Aslan. But but it made me made me learn myself, and it made me understand that. Hey, I'm not the machine that I think I am, you know, when you're young you think your machine, and you can just work through anything. And for the most part you can but. The things that you can't work through you need to be smart enough to be like, hey, I back off in a doesn't all have to happen in one day hundred percent nothing does all happen to one day where can people find you? They wanna follow along. And learn more about you. Well, I own a gym called Mendis. Jim it's at sixty three seventy one van Nuys boulevard. Van Nuys California nine one four zero one, and you can find me there at eight one eight six one six three one six one. You can contact me at Mendis, Jim g mail dot com. And you know, I love the work with you guys. Look, I got a lot of knowledge at a lot of guys wanna know don't be afraid to call me don't be afraid to get on board. I do online training. I got guys that I train in Tasmania Australia in Cape Town, Africa and Canada all over the US in down the block. So I mean, however, the training, you know, whatever kind of training you need I can get you a had a guy. Shannon Jacobson that lives in Tasmania. I trained him for nine months, and he won the first Arnold and Australian never met to do person. That's great. Yeah. So you know with technology. Now the way it is, you know, my my programs very interactive. And we'll Skype a couple times a week. And I'll tell you what I want you'll Facebook. You'll film all your lifts and Facebook to me, and then we'll be on Skype together. You look at your phone. I look at mine, we get an exact idea, I can show you on Skype. Just like, I explained today with the form and everything, you know. And I go through everything all the lifts your support work supplements. Every there's no stir Knowstone, that's unturned. You know, I'm not fourteen bucks a month. So I'm just letting you know that upfront, but I'm not a million bucks. Either them, you know, if you want it bad enough, you'll reach out, and you'll grab it because I spent a lot of time and a lot of effort with you. And I treat you as if you're part of me, and if you're part of me or winter, so give me a call all the time. We got strength has never week this week this. Ever strenght? Catchy guys later.

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Mark and Chris Bell: steroids, powerlifting, addiction, diet, training, helping others, documentaries, and living your best life (EP.28)

The Peter Attia Drive

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Mark and Chris Bell: steroids, powerlifting, addiction, diet, training, helping others, documentaries, and living your best life (EP.28)

"Hey, everyone. Welcome to the Peter Attiyah drive. I'm your host, Peter. Drive as a result of my hunger for optimizing performance health on Javadi critical thinking along with a few other obsessions along the way. I've spent the last several years working with some of the most successful top performing individuals in the world, and this podcast is my attempt to synthesize. What along the way to help you live a higher quality more fulfilling life, if you enjoy this podcast? You can find more information on today's episode and other topics at Peter Tia, MD dot com. Everybody. Welcome to this week's episode of the drive this week. I had two guests. This was a first never interviewed two people simultaneously, which is not to say, it's a rocket science. I think a monkey can figure it out. And I'm at least as a monkey so I was able to figure it out, but it did stress me out a little bit because I was trying to figure out how to keep people engaged. But seems like we did a pretty good job. And I think you'll enjoy this episode. My guests were two guys who I just referred to as the brothers bell. But they're obviously known more commonly by their actual names, Mark Bell and Chris bell. Some of you may recognize these guys, especially if you're interested in powerlifting, or if you've ever paid attention to some really interesting documentaries in particular, bigger, stronger faster, which was sort of the breakout performance for Chris bell. That is I believe a documentary that if you look at all of its downloads on Netflix would certainly put it in Canada top ten docks of the last decade. I could be wrong on that. But I feel. I remember reading that somewhere. Prescription thugs was also a follow up documentary. And there are a number of others, including one that is in the works at the time of this recording that will link to as well, his brother. Mark Bell has younger brother is an absolute legend in the world of powerlifting. And he owns a number of records all of which are staggering. And we'll get into those during the episode. This was also a bit of a first for me in that. It was the first time I interviewed people, I didn't know personally. So obviously, I'd communicated with Mark and Chris through Email abundance leading up to this. But I didn't have a report with them in the way that I've had with every person I've interviewed today, which actually is a little harder. You have to pay a bit more attention when you're doing your homework. So I hope that doesn't come across as being strained. I don't think it did. I think we were definitely getting along. Well, and having fun the other thing that may or may not come across here as we were exhausted. We did this interview at a place that Mark Bell was renting for the money. Month up in Malibu. And so I went up there, and they interviewed me for their documentary slash podcast about three hours and fifteen minutes. We took about forty five minutes off to play Patty cakes grab ass and eat, and then I proceeded to interview them for about two hours. So I think by the end of that two hours we were all collectively exhausted. So that may or may not come across anyway, all those caveats aside. This was a super interesting podcast because what I really want to talk about was not just their stories in their lives, which I think are very interesting and touch on. So many of these themes that I've become quite interested in if you've seen either bigger stronger faster or prescription thugs you'll know that they're older brother Mike died, and they talk about that quite openly in this podcast. And it's actually quite it's quite touching. And it's actually quite emotional. Chris gets kind of emotional at one point during this, and it's sort of palpable in the room as we're talking about it. They talk a lot. About their parents upbringing. I obviously completely fascinated as to what kind of upbringing could produce such remarkable human specimens, and they are remarkable human specimens. Let's make no mistake about that. I also get into some of the details about like their training and very fascinating to understand like how relatively low volume their training was and yet how it produce such remarkable achievements. So I guess I would say the following if you've never heard of these guys, and you're not that interested in powerlifting or strength training. I still think you will find this interesting though, there may be some parts you wanna fast forward through. Once. We get into the technical details of some of their lifts if you have any interest in strength training. You're gonna wanna get to know a lot about these guys and one of the things I actually learned in the interview, I hadn't even done enough homework before the interview, this is the YouTube channel that Mark Bell has which I've since looked at and it's an incredible resource for someone who is trying to learn how to do the major lifts. Correctly. So without further ado, here's my interview with Mark and Chris bell. Remark. Chris. Thank you so much for making time to talk about this kind of stuff today. You know, this is kind of unusual for me. It's too. I it's the first time I've interviewed two people simultaneously also interviewed people that I don't know much prior to this. But I feel like. For him. Please. Do you can only interview one person at a time. You've learned this during the documentary. It just the way it is. If we both talked at the exact same time, then this would not work. Trumbull? We will try to keep that in mind. But I do feel like a kind of. No, you guys which is weird. That's I'm sure something that you guys have experienced before when someone's watch twenty or films or seen a documentary that you've been in or part of an it's sorta like, they meet you sort of think, they know something about you. Right. It's you're like, well, I know what this is all about because he said XYZ, and so I'll try to free myself up from that. I get a lot of hugs because of people like I feel like I know you can I give you a hug. Yeah. Just depends on who it is whether or not like that or not when people do that. What are they thinking you for because I'm sure people do? Thank you a lot. It's really bizarre thing. I never thought anybody would thank me for like making a movie, but I guess it's had a profound effect on their life. So they say thank you for making that with my film, prescription thugs, for example, a lot of people see that. And we'll as you know, I have opioid problem. I had drug problem, and they'll go do something about it. So I think with bigger stronger faster like more getting off your ass and going to do something with your life and wanting to be somebody. That's something. I think is really important to a lot of people trying to prove that you not just another bum from the neighborhood. You know, the thing about bigger stronger faster that I found so appealing and and surprising. And I think that's I would guess at least part of the reason why ten years later, it's still endured is the vulnerability of it. You didn't hide your own issues your family's struggles. I'm sure I'm not the first person to say this. But your parents come across as the two most lovable people on the planet like I didn't have the urge to hug you. But if I walked in here and saw your mom. I would absolutely have to a big hug. You know what I mean? Like, yeah. Absolutely. Was that designed or did you that should have by accident that you realized hey, I'm just gonna show my family? It was really weird when we did the movie we had a lot of great people helping out my philosophies, like go find the best people and do it. So like if you're gonna make documentary, I was like who's who's a good documentary filmmaker Michael Moore, he won an Oscar for bowling for Columbine thought. Bowling for Columbine was one of the best whether you agree with the politics or not that's not the point. The point is is one of the best. I written documentaries. I've ever seen and actually won an Academy Award for the writing of it. And it really inspired me. And I said I wanna make a movie about steroids. So I want to adopt the same style. So I watch bowling for Columbine. I literally wrote out every scene from bowling for Columbine. And then try to define what that would be. If it was about steroids, like what that particular scene would be and doing that developed this style, and then I actually brought people in that worked on that movie. So the editor of bowling for Columbine was an editor in and help on our movie as well. And that's sort of how I got into making the movie stars. That's how I approached. It was getting the best people and putting them in the right spot. So I had learned a lot like in the course of making the movie as well. It will eat directed. The cameras at us. Once he started to get into some of the basics of the film. I think for a long time you were kicking around the idea of he knew that there's something magical about gold's gym Venice. They knew something was magical by a lot of the things. We're doing the environment we're in. But it wasn't until he got into some of the actual ideas of what the film ended up becoming too where he started running through these different scenarios with his producers. And he's like, yeah. You know, my brothers. You know, my brother Mark, does this my brother, Mike, you know, he was doing that? And you know, I did this and they were like, wait. Hold on a second. Your brothers are taken steroids right now. And he's like, yeah. And they're like, that's we need we need to get that on film. And I was getting to those people that worked on these other great movies were the ones that define that to me. So when I was on the phone with my producer, Alex Bono was like, hey, you know, going on my brothers marks on steroids and Mike on steroids. And I'm in the middle, and I'm just trying to figure it out on soon as I said that he was like that's the movie right there. That's exactly what the movie is. It's like you're the middle brother, and you can it whether or not you should take these drugs or not regardless of whether you've tried him in the past you, try them once felt a little guilty. Let's just. All that story, and what I found is in making films as being honest and telling the actual real story that's going on is the best place to be right now. We're embarking on a documentary about nutrition, and I keep going back to like keep trying to manufacture what the movie should be in my head. And I'm like going back to it should just be what is going on right now. What exactly is going on right now? I'm conflicted about my diet. Don't know how I should eat. I'm trying to find answers. And that's really what it should be the most honest representation of that. And not a representation of like, here's what I think about the Kito genetic diet. And here's why you have to do it. And so by taking this approach, I think it's allowed us to be pretty open minded about the whole thing. There's something about that movie. Also that I've watched it, obviously, probably half a dozen times if not more and each time, I see it. I'm struck by this feature which is the empathy with which you approach people. Even when I think the viewer can tell like, you don't necessarily agree. So I'm blanking on the boy's name. But the high. Cool kid who'd killed Hooton yet. That's right. When you spoke with his father, that's a very touching scene because if you're watching that purely through the lens of what the research, and the data would say, it's pretty clear that steroids probably had nothing to do with that tragedy. And you know, that that boy might have ended up in that situation with or without steroids. But at the same time, I think if I were doing that interview, I worry that I would have come across as condescending or like, no at all. But I was I was very touched by the fact that that wasn't at all the case. He didn't press the issue at all not a guy just said it the guy said steroids had nothing do my son's death. And that was that. And you I thought it was spectacular as well. When you're watching it like that interview right there, even though it's my brother he had an opportunity kind of jump on that guy. Like, wait a second. How could you say that? But in ever goes any further than that and shouldn't need to view, the because you you were able to sort of look there are people where you can cross examine them, but you don't cross exam. In the father, who's lost his son. Like, there's there's absolutely no role for that. And so there's a certain level of civility that I think there were other questions where I'm like, there's I think other ways to approach it, right? Rather than go. I'm gonna jump down his throat say, well, why don't I just pose a question to him that is comparative? San like, hey, look, your son died from steroids. That's what you're saying. That's what you're telling me. He died from steroids. But also like, you know, my brother died in a sober living facility and drugs were involved. And so like I'm trying to compare. And in his case, I was like, well, hey, look, you know, you're gonna have a steroid awareness night in this baseball stadium where fathers are going with their four year old kid, and they go and drink six beers and drive the kid home. And it's like, you know, what's the difference? Isn't that ironic? And so I was just trying to like figure out ways to not be a mean spirited to the guy. But yet come across where it's like just make some points to them, and hopefully like it'll sink in with them. I don't know if it ever did or not I don't know if it does or not, but that sort of my approach. To like, not really go in there with the mindset of I'm gonna destroy this person. Because think about it all realistically, we are all human beings. We're all in this big soup together. We're all here on this planet together and off to function together. So like to pick a side and stand there doesn't seem to make any sense will make more sense like when this movie's over that guy's still a human being he still has a family. He still has things going on. And so I'm not trying to destroy that guy. Just wanted to try to figure out what his point is and move past it, and and so I think that that's you know, my philosophy's try to try to keep the peace. So that after the film, we can still continue to have a relevant and smart intelligent conversation about the subject matter. So I remember seeing the movie for the first time probably in two thousand nine and I really I'm not saying this just because you're sitting here, but I really do credit that documentary with being the thin end of the wedge that got me to begin to revisit a set of beliefs that I had just taken for granted. So one of the. Challenges of medicine is it's not necessarily a discipline. That's full of critical thought and part of that is just the nature of you. There's too much stuff. You gotta learn, you know, so you can't approach it through the lens of inflexible curiosity all the way, it's just these are a set of facts cholesterol causes heart disease. Maybe it turns out to be the light, proteins, and inflammation. And if you other things, but the zero order answer is and of course, one of those hugely dog Mattis, things anabolic steroids. That's gotta be like one of the most dangerous things on the planet. And so all through my medical training, never really given this any thought, and I just sort of assumed that stuff's gotta be bad. And I even remember as a kid when Lyles Eyo died, I remember the cover of Sports Illustrated. I distinctly remember the day. He died. I had just come home from a run. It must have been the hottest day of the summer. And I remember like reading the newspaper about it. And it was like it was pretty clear Lyles eight oh died because he took steroids. I was in high school at the time, and it was like. Steroids, bad your movie comes along. And I collect quotes. Right. So I've gotten by a file of just my favorite quotes. I'm gonna read you one of my favorite quotes, which I think applies to so many things we do. This was John F. Kennedy said this believe it a Yale commencement in nineteen sixty one for the greatest enemy of truth is very often not the lie the liberate contrived and dishonest, but the myth persistent persuasive and unrealistic too often we hold fast to the cliches of our forebears, we subject all facts to a prefabricated set of interpretations. We enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought was before we got him out of the moon. Oh, yeah. That was when the man on the moon was an idea. Right. So when I think about bigger stronger faster through the lens of that. I realized that my understanding of steroids was primarily the comfort I had of. Million. It was an opinion that had been passed down down down. But I actually hadn't really submitted myself to the discomfort of thought, and I don't think you're movies meant to necessarily make the case that hey, steroids goods there are bad. I mean, that's also part of the beauty of the movie is the way it ends with you Mark is actually a very powerful ending superpowerful. Like the last thing that movie is one of most powerful things ever because it deliberately doesn't try to say, here's the answer. But what it did? At least for me. Was it said dude like, I don't actually know Jack about this topic. So before I form an opinion. I might be wise to start thinking about it. One of the interesting things about filmmaking. His come across these things by accident. We were editing the movie, and my editor like left the computer on one day and went back, the computer, and there's my dad and my mom in cheer like like they're cheering after Mark one thing. And we're kind of looking like that's kind of awesome shot kind of end the movie on like, it's like the family, and we're like look at Mark. He's on. On steroids. Like, he's awesome. You know? And and now kind of feeling, you know, him his humour dinger's part with the Simpsons. And so when you're making a movie, there's a lot of happy accidents, people go, you're brilliant for you went out and got these daily brewers, and you brought them in your house, and you guys made supplements, and you kitchen those guys worked outside my office. They were there every day and every day. I joked I wanted to get these guys make my supplements for me, and I had just joke around this joke. Then when it came around the time where we have to shoot a scene. I'm like, why don't I hire those guys? They're they're so cool every day. I I'd like to put some money in their pockets. I paid them all hundred bucks come make supplements for that. No idea what was going on. And I'm sure they probably still don't know that there even a movie, but they were they were they were an awesome heart of it just shows, you it just shows you how wide open this. This industry is like how Alah things aren't what they seem. You know, you think like all supplement must be made some factory with everything's all through the FDA. And it's like, it's not the. Worlds. It's not like that. So prescription thugs sort of carries on in the theme of the same type of investigation. But also, it's very very personal. Yeah. You know? I remember the first time I saw it. I was confused at the very beginning. Because I was like, but wait there brother died. Why is did they film this earlier than I thought? And then I realize of course. No. That was Biro. Basically that was that was film. You had before you started making prescription, right? Yeah. And so right off the bat in the beginning. I wanna make this movie, and I just remember had its phone call my dad, and my dad's like my dad was crying, and he doesn't cry that often Markle Tyra, you know, hear him cry. He's kind of Crowley twice. Choked up pre money said this is the legacy. This is it Chris this is like this is what your brother meant in bigger stronger faster, when he said, I know there's something out there that for the world here. But I I don't know what it is. He's like this is the message the message that you don't need drugs in bhalwal. Right. And what was really fascinating about that. As my dad comes back around full circle. Again, the point where I was in trouble, and I wasn't doing too. Well. Well, my dad called me and said only time he's ever yelled at me. And he said, I don't know what's wrong with you. But you're a drug addict or an alcohol or something there's something going on with you. I can't figure it out. But you're not right. And I just cried for an hour afterwards. Just like oh shit at my dad. Like, that's the worst feeling. I choked up now talking about the worst feeling could possibly have is like you let you father down. And so for me, he was very instrumental in just being there for me and being like for him to show his anger just once had things what saved my life. Do you? Remember that time Mark when he was going through some stuff. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. It was hard. You know, we are we already lost one and. You know, I I guess one thing that's important to share with everybody is it's never over. The people ask a lot of questions about success or getting jacked bench, press and more way, you could take steroids, and you can do all these different programs, and you can do all these different diets. But it's never over you. Never. There's never a spot. You get to like fuck. Yeah. This is perfect. This is where I wanted to be. I'm going to hang out right here. Every once in a while you catch glimpses of your own set of greatness, right and feels good, but with his battle it took so much support. And it's still it's still it's still allows support. There's still a lot of. He's come such a long way. But there's still a lot of healing that has to continue to happen for his life to be as prosperous as it possibly can be and for him to reach. He has a lot of big goals, but he's not even halfway to some of these big goals because he's still in the healing process. And he's heading towards all those things. Now just amazing to see after he came from. But it was almost like his life kind of restarted that forty years old or so and his girlfriend at the time called me. And it was a weird number. I don't even really answer my phone that often. But I was just like this is weird our night. It wasn't too late. But most people don't really call me pass like seven, eight o'clock nine ten o'clock. And I hear this voice on the other side, just real frantic. And really upset. And I was like didn't understand who it was. And then started talking about Chris. Oh, it's Lauren. Okay. That's why phone number. From the east coast and stuff like that. So so then I said, okay. Well, where where is he what's going on? Can you come down can tell me more? And I guess he was inside their apartment. She was outside the apartment, and she just didn't know how she was going to find him. Like, what condition he would be in? And I said well as bad as it could possibly be. I was like you're the only like family he has there. I was like I needed to go and check it out, you know, because if he's really sick. Or if something happened we need to figure out a way to try to handle it. And so I said makes you just take his Keat removes keys from the house that way he isn't going anywhere. And I said call me back and let me know these still alive, you know. So she called me back. She was still kinda hysterical. She's like he's still alive, but he's passed out. I took his keys, and I talked to my wife, Andy who just somehow always knows the right thing to do with the right thing to say, and I talked to her about it. She goes we're gonna book him a flight. We're going to get him up here. Here. And we need a book Lorna flight to because if we don't book both of them, he's not gonna come. He probably won't be able to get to the airport in the morning, and they'll probably just figure out a way to miss the flight, and we're gonna get him here. And we're going to safe proof everything around us, and we're gonna figure out a way to help him. And that's what we did. We've flown the Sacramento, I had a longtime family friend that was a an Hollick herself. And she explained to me, you know, some of the things that we're going to go through through that process. She gave me the place send them for what does that where you go talks detox Rio for like three or four days? They take your phone, and they give you certain pills and his very strict regimen thing, no contact with anybody. And you know that set everything in motion, but what I always try to share with people's very long process. Even though that was only three days it then led into him going into rehab. For another sixty or seventy days, and then it was just constant communication trying to figure out what he wants he needs. I think the coolest thing that came from it all was sitting down with him. And we had kind of this intervention thing which really Buchan piss me off because he didn't remember any of it. But he did say some things in there that were that really helped helped me a lot and it helped everybody understand a lot better of what was going on. And he said, I feel alone. And when he said that I was like I understand he's in LA. And he does you know, I kinda girlfriend, but he doesn't have us. We're not there. He flies up here for thanksgiving. But he doesn't have family all he has a bunch of fake ass mother fuckers around him that are in Los Angeles. That's what Los Angeles has made of sorry LA. But LA is is like that people. Come and go in your life in a flash. I mean, they do in in regular life. No matter where you live. But you see that a lot in Los Angeles. Just meet a lot of people are striving to be actors actresses, and you find out that the most people are full shit a lot of every single day. Meet the person that's going to change your life or the have the deal for you. You know, everyday. But but anyway, you know, we were able to surround him my parents, obviously played a huge role and all that, and we were able to you know, have them here. Still today. What five years later four years later for years later, it's weird because even thinking back to those times like that's just not the same person. You know, it's a completely different person. I was I guess I was in that body. But I I wasn't registered in that body. Now feel like just a completely different human being all together than I was a couple years ago. I think that you have to go through some of these things again like if you want for me. There are certain things that I wanted in life, and there was certain things had to go through to get it, you know, and I never wanted to be drug addict alcoholic, but I thank God for it. Because I think that it's helped me to really help other people, you know, and that's sort of the bigger goals. Like, well, how can I use all this to help you, you know, how can I use it to help other people all all I'm doing? I was inspired by a young kid lift weights and do do these things. And so when I got older and realize that it was all bullshit, I made bigger stronger faster. Yeah. I just wanted to help me have just people in the world asking us questions all the time. Joe Rogan's texting him asking about the carnivore diet. Donald Trump junior's asking me how improve squat. I mean, if some crazy person in the world, but there's some crazy shit going on though. Yeah. You know, who were kind of unlikely heroes. I guess cereal. Crazy, the the kind of people even even being able to talk to you. It's like, you're somebody. I've listened to every podcast been facing them down read, everything I've read all the blogs. I'm like, I I just consume this stuff like crazy. So even be able to talk to you is to me amazing. And I think that that's something that if we can spread that message to other people that, you know, look get involved in something be proactive about it be excited. Get other people on your team and go for it in life in it doesn't matter. What you do? But to me, that's what makes our life fun is like all the opportunity to do all these fun things like Mark. And I are gonna go see Joe Rogan perform tomorrow night to me that's amazing to be able to get invited to do something. Like that from somebody like Joe, and he's like, hey, guys wanna come. Of course, we want to go. And that to me is what it's all about. And what it's all about is like I told you about when we did prescription thugs while my partner on prescription thugs who sit and read across room is Greg young GB young and Greg on prescription thugs saved my life. He. Was the person who was able to communicate with the other producers at Chris's in trouble. We have a man down, but he's not gonna die and he wants to save the movie. So he could have easily went to the other producers who's actually Peter Billingsley who is the little kid in Christmas story ralphie, he was our producer. But he went to ralphie, and he said, hey, Chris is going to be okay. But he's in rehab, and we got a man down, and this is serious business. And we gotta take care of it. And so because he did that obviously has this loyalty to us when it came around to make this film that we're making about nutrition we brought Greg on Greg when he started it was about three hundred and thirty pounds. And now he was about to eighty so he's already lost about fifty pounds. Just doing like, a Kito dia, and and he comes and trains with us. And so to me, that's what is really all about is like getting there and helping somebody else change your life because I know Greg. Well, and I know what he's going to do is he's going to turn around. And he's already told the next three people that are gonna tell the next three. People until the next three people. And all it is is we're getting people on the side of being healthy. That's all we're trying to Dez mental health is improved big time. He's more determined. He's in the gym. Now, he's never been Jim before which that takes a lot of courage to even work up the steps to even get your button, Jim. And before he said, he didn't even want to get up off the couch, and you know, the thing with with it is like not really selling anything. We're just trying to trying to help people with their lifestyle. Mark sells products, obviously. And that that allows us to be able to do these things which I think is a really cool. Are x is ten minute walks. Go lift some weights stop being so fat stop painting such gross foods like that's that's our prescription for everything. Yeah. But again, I think what's interesting is it doesn't come across at least to me. And maybe that's because I've gotten to know you guys a little bit since you. I reached out to me. But it really doesn't come across as the way. A lot of people in the fitness space come across which is again, I'm not going to name names. Although I've got a long list of people that I think are complete and total douche bags. Yeah. Occasionally, my Twitter account will release my criticisms of some such individuals. But you know, there's this sense of look, you just gotta work harder. You know without acknowledging Heyman. If you're down in the dumps, if you're three hundred thirty pounds and you're eating poorly, and you're sitting on the couch like it's not just a matter of willpower. Like, you have to make some other changes to at least get the nurse to make these changes. And again, I just think it comes down to this is suspected comes down to something you can only learn having suffered. You know, it's amazing to me. It's like through doing this. Greg's guy that I work with you become closer to the people too. And so you also you're drawn your friends in more, right? You're rather than than like pushing your friends out and excluding them and things like you're sort of including them now and everything and it's easier to be friends with somebody that has the same dietary habits as you. It's easier to be friends with somebody does the same things as you has the same habits. And like if I want to be successful. I'm not gonna let their bad habits sway me in a bad way. I'd rather let my good habits sway them and building them out. I think it's also I think people sort of don't realize that once you start to let down barriers, and you can sort of communicate this vulnerability about your own struggle in this case. It's amazing. What that does for other people because I think many many of us kind of go around thing. And we're the only one struggling with problem. Extra problem why I've talked about David foster Wallace number of times, he sort of someone every never had the luxury of meeting, but I love his work, and he talked about the so eloquently, right? Which is every single one of us is only experiencing the world from our own vantage point, only know, what's in our head. We only know what we see in. It's so easy to think you are alone which goes back to what you said earlier, which is Chris he's break. He's falling apart because he feels alone perspective is such a huge thing. In a lot of times. It's easy to be judgmental. But I think about my own life. And I think I had to what I would consider perfect parents. My parents were there for everything. My dad was like our baseball coach. And I can't remember my dad or telling me know that he couldn't hang out with me or or throw football around with me, or whatever I can't remember a time where my mom didn't cook dinner like, you know, they're just just around. There was no shortage of we can't complain no shortage of resources basketball's weights money, no shortage of hugs, no shortage of love, no shortage of encouragement. So when somebody asked me certain questions about whether it's my lifting or whatever my lifting. You know? I I started out in a way different spot than maybe somebody else. Maybe somebody else grew up with abusive parents, maybe they didn't even find fitness until they were forty whereas I founded at twelve because we had it in our basement because I was privileged enough to have parents that were always headed in the right direction. Always trying to do right by the family, and we're really trying to, you know, build build towards something. Whereas other people that maybe there. Dad wasn't around. Maybe their mom was around. Maybe the alcoholics may the being abused. Or who the list of things is unbelievable? But your starting point is is a big factor in where you start to end up at Mark talks about that a lot. And I think that that's the you know, he said he says not everybody starts at the same spot. And so we can't really comparison with other people Mark. And I right now are training with Michael Hearn, Michael Horn's a freak ever since he was fourteen years old. He looked like a professional bodybuilder. Right. So he's having the worst transformation in the history of the world because at fourteen or actually more like sixteen or seventeen he looks the same as he does now at forty eight. Yeah, always been Jackson. And so you know, we for us. We're like nam we if we were to compare selves him. We just feel like crap every day. If I compare myself to Mark feel like crap every 'cause he's bigger than me and stronger than me and leaner than me right now. He's he's getting ready to do bodybuilding show. But you know in my head my goal is to try to beat him. You know, we're. We're still brothers. So in my in my head. I'm starting way back from him. And I'm not comparing myself to him. But I still in in some weird way. Go like, man, I hope I surpass them. Somehow. I hope I can sneak in hoping he, you know, after his bodybuilding show, you has one too many days of cheating. You know? And I could still beat them in something. But I I used to always beat them in powerlifting. I used to tell him emphatically, you'll never be strong. As me. I I would tell him you'll you won't even get within a hundred pounds of my bench press and for a while that was like so true. And now, I'm not even close to him. So it's like, it's funny. How those things happen can reverse never say never and never seen numbers. Right. To me. The journeys kind of everything my brother, he has a more eloquent way of saying it, and I sort of bastardize it. But the gist of it is you don't judge a man by where he stands judging by how far he's traveled to get there. And awesome. Yeah. I always thought of that. He said this even when we were young. And I remember I think I just always grew up with such a chip on my. Shoulder that whenever I sort of felt myself being compared to someone who was better than me, or I would assume was more privileged than me. I would not necessarily verbalize it. But internally I would think well, screw them. I've traveled way I might not be where they are. But I've traveled way further to get here. And you know, I have always been inactive energy. It doesn't help. And I'm I'm still kind of you know, completely fascinated by whatever it is that motivated the three of you is brothers to be, you know, trying to be anything other than ordinary, and again, I don't think anybody wakes up and says I'm program to be ordinary, but you guys have accomplished kind of remarkable things. I mean, I wanna come back and talk about the physical stuff because it is. I like to be able to put some of that in perspective for people who who don't really fully understand what some of these lifts mean. And so we'll we'll certainly come to that. But it's interesting because it's not the story. I would've expected right? What I would have expected is something in childhood wounded, you guys, you know, and it's like your entire adult life has been away to cope with some pain, and that's been channeled into mostly positive things. But then sometimes it's gone off the rails. Like, that's the narrative I would construct. I didn't have any back on. I really honestly when I when I said January twenty third nineteen Eighty-four was a day that changed my life forever. I meant I've really meant it when whole. Cogan beat the iron Sheik. We were we were fanatics. We were nuts. And we were like, well, that's so loved it so much, and we want to be part of that that all we could see ourselves inside of a wrestling ring. We had the ability to dream 'cause our dad provided and mom provided that for us. That's all we had to worry about his kids was the dream bag. That's it was only thing when I remember like the smell. I remember. I remember everything about like getting our first Nintendo. You know what? I mean. I remember all these different things. I remember watching that match. You know, I don't know. How old I was seven. I don't know. There's such a difference. I really remember those those are really strong memories for us. And I don't know there's there's a such a difference from when we got involved in watching wrestling to before like, I don't I don't remember anything before it. I just remember the actually don't even remember to tell you the truth shit. Not even January twenty third. It was before that January. Twenty third was the big day where HOGAN pin the chic. But before that, this was wrestlemainia one career got lozad before that even this is nineteen Eighty-four wrestling. Seven no five eighty five. Anyone wrestlemainia one with HOGAN, and Mr. T? It was your after it was after the Elfi, whatever. But. Yeah. Before that, Mark. And I were watching wrestling Mark, you staff to hold the clothes hanger got a metal clothes hanger that was attached to the antennas. My we could get you know. So the TV coming. I can't really watch it. I could of be handed like whole, but he was only like seriously was like five or six and Mike was two years older than you year and a half year than me, you're four years older than Mark. Yeah. So he was like a little kid. He's like five maybe I'm ten and mad dogs like twelve and we're watching wrestling, and we're watching this body slam challenge every time big John stud would come out, and they hold up the bag full of money. And they like we're going to twenty five thousand dollars body, slam challenge smallest bag for some reason dining little bag and dollars in there to not even hundred and we're we're like excited like who's going to try this week. And we know the guy's never gonna get them. And. Body slam them who's going to get them this week, and it's like chief Jay strongbow. So we're kinda bummed out. Chief Jay Chaumet. He's not gonna do shit. You know, so chief Jay strongbow like walks out his standing there, and he just start shaking his head like he's got his hands. Like, nah. And he turns around and Andre the giant walks out behind him. And we're like, oh my God. It's Andre and we were so excited with Andre is gonna come down and slam him take the money, but it was even better because Andrea came down and tried to slam them, and then the manager smashed him in the back and Andre took the money throughout the whole crowd to us like those moments were like bigger than life. They were the hugest things that happen. It's like so much to where we would my dad would always say, hey, if you guys wanna do something special. I'll do one one thing a year. And it was always like, let's go to Madison Square Garden and watch wrestling. Let's go to wrestlemainia, you know, as always something to do with wrestling. So for us, it was a huge influence on our lives. We're just like what we saw in the movies and on TV and we lived in. I do think seeing our dad. Being a suit and tie. Every day was not anything that we wanted for our selves either any worked IBM poured so much into that job. He would do anything for that company. And he he worked there for nearly twenty years. I think right around the time he got to a point where he would get some privileged things upon retiring around nineteen years or so is when they let him go, and it was like, wait what like all this this work that you put all this time into you just out the door, and he realized that himself a huge lesson for us. He hadn't he said, he, you know, later, he told us he had ownership of anything. He's like I didn't own the fucking stapler didn't own the paper that they had. I didn't own he's all I owned myself. So an after that he I think he had like a knee surgery and some things so he went through his own process, but went through probably a lot of personal development, which maybe he didn't even really realize that he needed to go through 'cause it was stuck in corporate America. Who's like frozen is brain was frozen and time. Time whereas corporate American family corporate American family, go back and forth between those two things didn't leave time for anything else. But when he lost his job, I think he paused her minute took breath and said, I'm actually really smart. I'm going to be an accountant he was doing some of that I'm gonna go on a real estate. He picked back up. I think within three years he was not only making the money. He was making IBM, but he was doing it. And then some are grandfather was an entrepreneur grandfather could tinker and fix anything. He had a used car lot. And I think a lot of our create Nevin backyard. Yeah zone. Yeah. His own yard. He built his own home. You know? So when I when when I look at my grandpa, and I look at my dad like I feel like I are giant steps backwards compared with what those two are able to accomplish something you said that I find really quite quite powerful. Which is despite the fact that your dad was working for the man busted his ass. He'd give anything for IBM. He still gave you. Everything. Yeah. You said, absolutely. You never were without hug you never. There was never a moment. When you want to play with your dad, and he wasn't there. And so my guess is that would make it a lot more palatable when you get shit on by the man because can you imagine the guilt that would rest upon you? If you're doing all this stuff in service of your family, right? You're working this hard to provide for your family, obviously. But in the process, you're you got to make these hard sacrifices to not spend time with your family. And then in the end you get the shafts. That's what my mom came in. She had the strength of Pulham aside one day and say, you're not here enough. And he was like what he's like. I'm trying to be. She's like, yeah. You keep getting these promotions keep making more money, but you're not here. And he was like oh my God. I didn't he almost he got lost in it. He didn't know. And so my mom pulled him back in and and that that really helped your parents athletic when they're grown up. Now, our mom was was slightly. But she she came from a family, a big, family and. She was the baby sitter, you know, she had a lot of responsibility. As young woman, literally raised your lays, seven other kids, basically, and my grandmother at the time, my grandmother was going throughout the hall as well and same with our grandfather. So our grandfather was chief of police on my mom's side in the family, and he was dealing with alcoholism, and he dealt with that up until he died. My grandmother got sober and she'd been sober for like thirty something years. I think when she passed away which was like last year, maybe my grandparents live down the street from each other. And we would go we didn't realize dynamics of that until he got older that my dad and mom on the bus and my dad like winked at my mom or something when they were like thirteen, but they were literally like just a few Fabre's few football fields away from each other. But when we go to my mom's side of the family, the house was real dark, and he didn't wanna hang out there as a kid. It smelled like alcohol smell like cigarettes just had on ease. Just sitting just like fogging through the whole. Household. You just need in wanna be there. You didn't know why? But you need in wanna be there. No one was mean, really. But just it was like kinda like here where everything was like the house is just depressing. Then we go to my dad's side of the family and everything was like bright and everything's wide open and somebody's dressed up as Santa Claus on Christmas. Somebody's swimming around in ax randomly for some reason some unsupervised kid, and then someone's got a grandfather this ball and someone's got a wiffle ball bat father would pull stunts so he would pull stunts like, hey, blow out his birthday candles on the cake would fall through the table. He he would just do crazy film. He'd blow the film mega. He was a filmmaker. He would blow everything blow his candles, and then the cake would go flying across the room and smashed into the wall. And as kids were like, oh my God omen, he he put like a little poli in a string underneath things when I blow out the candles on the cake fly across room, the kids are gonna go nuts. And it was always my grandfather every single year every single year, and they still do it in our family you pull the rope because he always put the trap for Santa Claus. So the day after Christmas you pull the rope. And you always get Santa clauses boot. And it's full of candy. And that's what the kids do every single. And he's still do it in. Our family because my grandfather started those traditions. So when you're like fourteen you like this stupid. Stack. The rope. My grandpa went. That's I think those things I like are in ingrained in us. We had a great life grownup. We had a fun life growing up. We used to go fishing with grandfather. And things like that. We just grew up close. When did you realize just from the standpoint of strength? You guys weren't normal. I was in eleventh grade, and I had so my knees were really bad. And when I was in I was in tenth grade. Yeah. And my my knees really always hurt. And I didn't I had no idea. Why? And so I went to the doctor doctors go yet these bone Spurs in your in your knees. We gotta remove him say arthroscopic knee surgery. And I was I had to be off my feet for, you know, a couple of weeks or whatever. And I and I did that. But I was always in pain. I didn't really know why it's because I had arthritis. But I had no idea when I was younger, and nobody diagnosed me with it at all. So I I was playing football the time. And I went to see this chiropractor who was also our strength coach, and he taught me how to squat and so it just. Started out where mad dog was going to the gym all time he was playing football. And he was really good and he could squat like four hundred pounds or something is what he was sixteen. Yeah. He was strong pretty strong and. Pretty strong. And by the time like eighteen, you know, he was even a little bit stronger, and my chiropractor this guy who was trying to help me fix my knees said, well, you know, to fix your knees, you need to squat and I said, oh, no I've been reading the bodybuilding magazines. That's the last thing you wanna do at heights bad for your knees. Hurt, you knees? Like, no a dozen. I've been power to forever distrust me to squat and I was barely into even like working out. So I started with a broomstick and just prided myself and going back to that doctor every day every time not every day. But like once a week saying, hey now, I did a hundred pounds. Now, he did a hundred and ten pounds your old here. Twelve sixteen sixteen sixteen at this point. And this guy squad seven hundred pounds at around weighing around sixteen years old turned seven's going about shit start squatting a broomstick and within six months squatting three fifteen for like eight reps people like what is going on with this guy people in my school? We're going this weird say that you are at this point. Are you doing like top of the thighs or? Breaking parallel squats, pretty much powerlifting squats. There was nobody really strain. But at the time, but then pretty soon I was up over five hundred pounds like in high squatting over five hundred pounds and sweating over five hundred pounds for working out doing reps. We responded really well to to not do a whole lot. So we'd go in the gym. And we do one heavy lift, and we would leave leave and our coach we had like a guy that was trying to coach us, and he was like Pell brothers squat and leave. He's like, you don't even do any assistance where I guess all we need Kuni. And he ended up squatting six seventy five that way at around eighteen or nineteen years old. So I I don't so we were like, no, we think it's working. I think I think the fact that less training stimulus helped them we were like really into Mike mentzer. We talk about him and Mike mentzer was our favorite bodybuilder, and he was all about like doing less and getting away with like just going in and working really hard for short amount of time, and we took took those lessons, but we realized that we were strong early on. But for Mark what was insane was there was this day? It's like this is sort of the day lifting started like the day lifting began Mike go into like a rocky montage if this was the movie of Mark's life. There's this day where my cousin Stephen came over to visit Stevens like I can't I can't bench much as you. But I know I can even his age Stevens my kill Mark. And I'm like, I don't think you will. And he's like, no I'll kill Mark and bench bench like to finally kill smell. And so they get on the bench going one thirty five one forty five one fifty we just keep going up. And I'm like, I'm thinking, Marcus. Really getting strong whatever we've been doing. It's been working we up to around two how strong am because he's only had me do set to like six to ten reps. Usually, and as we were going up in weight. We just kept adding five and tens and five and ten five and ten got him on this bench off with my cousin. My cousin fails like I don't know what he felt. But then like tool five or something and Mark like two hundred and forty or two hundred and fifty pounds at what age he was like thirteen thirteen maybe twelve or thirteen young like like what the hell is going on here. Definitely look I could do that my mom on the same day. My mom benched one thirty five and she'd never lifted in her life. She just picked it up off the fan. It was weird. Like, she just was like like this and started laughing all like, singing, indoor boobs and everything. Yeah. Yeah. And she just like smashed it out. And we're like, oh my God. You guys remind me of family. I grew up with which is just an it's actually sad thing is it's an equally tragic story. So not that anyone listening. This will ever I don't know they'll ever hear this. But their name was the stupidity. It's so there was rob Matt Russ on. There was one other stupak, and they were from another planet in terms of strength. So, you know, even though boxing was my thing. Like, I found a great place to lift weights, which was this Dungy little gym at the university of Toronto that was mostly just grown men. Powerlifting. And then there was me, and my best friend from high school who were like, you know, they hated the fact that we were there. But by the end, they grew to respect us because they basically got us into power with. And it's so funny everything you say reminds me exactly the stupak which were they literally only benched or swatted dead lift nothing. Else and their strength was redone. Culex? I remember I think it was rob at a weight of one eighty five he had hurt his shoulder so bad that he could only narrow grip bench and he's narrow gripping three eighty five for ten like here. It's like 'cause my shoulder hurts so narrow narrow transmit to my tries. Yeah. And these guys were freaks of nature. And I don't know if any this shit was true. But the rumor was that they were you know, they came from Viking stock and their mom could apparently berry any one of their friends in an arm wrestle if they brought a friend. That's like you wanna arm wrestle their mom. You're going through the what's an. Yeah. It's like it's funny because we were like that. But we weren't even the strongest kids in high school. We weren't even the strongest kids in our area come on in poughkeepsie. I think it's like in the water something, I mean, there was there were people. We were the strongest we were by far we'd kill people in strength. But we had dudes our huge in high school our like monsters. We we went to a pretty big high school. I mean when I went to school, I was, but you were you were just smaller. Lot of people did steroids Kinsley. So when I grew up in poughkeepsie, I had a belt said Royd sucked on it said Royd suck and it would make everybody in the gym mad because everybody was on the juice, and I was stronger than all of them, and they will get so pissed because they see me coming in squad that were on steroids then to and see the belt right socks. I all your, you know, your aunt ship. Everybody would always say that I was on stuff. And I never was you know, it just it just didn't happen. So to me all growing up. It was funny that we ended up making bigger stronger faster because I have that had that written in big block letters across the back. My belt Royd sucked and making this movie about steroids and talking about how they maybe they're not that bad. So how old were you Chris when you peaked and what gimme just gimme? Well, first of all, let's take a step back. I want you guys. Explain can gone. Ex- on your done. It's all downhill when he guys want to take the liberty of explaining to the listeners. What powerlifting is what Olympic lifting is. Or why those are sports in and of themselves. Let Mark do that. He's expert or Mark tell us what they are. So Olympic lifting is what you might see on TV. When Olympics come round powerlifting is not an Olympics or Olympic weightlifting is clean and jerk. And the snatch those the exercises that you do basically involves taking away from floor and figuring out some way to get it over your head different rules in both of them. But that's the gist of it you get three attempts on both those lifts and the accumulation of both those lifts is called your total. So in powerlifting, you do a squat in this order bench press and dead lift, and you get three attempts at each one of those and humilation of those that's goes into what is called a total powerlifting is really difficult because it's hard to have leverage on all three of those movements. Olympic lifting is is very difficult. But it requires a whole different skill set. Mobility becomes a big factor. Speed becomes a big factor. You're trying to like basically move your body around the barbell whereas power lifting is not even like a good move in the bar yet power. It's not even a good term for it. Because it's it's not really a definition of power. But right power has a speed component to it. Yeah. Right. You are doing it as fast as you can. But it's so heavy it doesn't look fast. Yeah. But in powerlifting, you know, for the squad were required to try to get our hip crease low where the knees which is always in controversy because human body can't process looking into places at once. So that rule should have been changed along time ago, but it never has been so that's a squat when it comes to the bench pressing the pause away on your chest for a moment. Referee will say press press the weight back up to full lockout and the dead lift is pretty simple. You just pick the damn thing up from the ground until you're able to stand up with it fully erect as they say, and then they just give you down signal, and that's power of thing. And you alluded to something earlier, which your numbers are actually quite interesting. So I was not a pretty good powerlifter. I just did it as sort of ancillary training for let's numbers. Yeah. So wait, I weighed one fifty eight one sixty my bench was my weakest. I think my best was two seventy. Or to seventy five spectacle, much to seventy five. Okay. So my squat was about four ninety five. I think pound for pound that was my best lift and my dead lift was about five oh five little man here. He didn't even give himself the five pound bump on the swat. So you would agree though, that I was more of a squat deadliest guy than bench guy was a pretty weak bench guy. Actually, I was Jeff marks. You can only be good at one. And we were really good at benchpress. Well, that was our main. Sometimes you get it to and sometimes like somebody might be somewhere in the middle road on all three. And then they're able to raise up all three years and year, your PR's Mark are remarkable. I don't have them here. But if I recall, you actually benched more than you deadly Fid me had a PR. So give me your PR's. First of all there's kind of two parts in my lifting career, maybe three parts, but I guess to make it more simple. I used powerlifting gear which is supportive gear that gives the assistant. That allows you to lift more weight started out being protective, and then the companies made things more and more extreme. And so therefore, you're able to actually lift more weight, I did a thousand eighty squawk. Eight hundred fifty four pound bench press and seven hundred sixty six pound dead lift and that's all in equipped. Powerlifting. When it comes to Raleigh lifting in the gym squad at seven hundred pounds raw before benched, five seventy eight and competition. And I think my best of might be like seven fifteen I believe some somewhere in that range. So you so right now, that's that's an interesting distinction to be clear RAV means. No knee rap. Yes. So the the raw powerlifting that I did was no knee wraps. No squat so belt. Only bell only belt Rhys wraps sometimes people still consider new wraps being raw just because you're not wearing a squat suit or venture. Yeah. Those were the numbers at that time. I was so locked into what I was doing. I did every and anything that I could to be stronger. You know, I've made the statement before and it might sound arrogant. But I just said, you know, if you met me at that time, I would bend the most savage powerlifter. Would ever met because not because of my strength. I wasn't the strongest guy in the world. Although I posted numbers that rivaled some of the strongest guys enrolled for that time. I was as strong as I could be I don't think I could squeezed anymore out of that. I pushed it as hard as I could. I got his big as heavy as I could. I tried eating healthy to get big. I've tried eating discussing Lee gross to get big try to do all kinds of different things. And I think I pushed that envelope. Pretty good. I think maybe the one thing that could have been a little bit better as I could slept a little bit better looking back at it. But I was just so big it was hard to slick. He's right on that. I mean, I know we know a lot of people in powerlifting. And he just put everything into it. You know, there was times where just like even the amount of food. He would eat and stuff, and I would say like, aren't you worried about this? Or that is I'm just worried about winning like he wasn't worried about any like everything was so laser focused in on a. These big lifts, and he's big weights and the amount of energy and the amount of seriousness like it was and it was so dead serious in the gym all the time because like kinda was life or death. When you sweating thousand pounds. There'd be like a lot of fights arguments in the old super training because it was highly competitive and people would you know, like somebody would mess up like just getting the rack somebody go to round it. And they wouldn't put the monolith out wrong way yellow they yell at each other's getting we'll fight in. It was so aggressive, and and crazy of intensity it's sort of where you had to go to get there in the sport of powerlifting. So what what were your PR's assisted cited like seventy five squat? I never did raw powerlifting. Never came into the fray like as far as I was there. But I was actually there. It's interesting as there before the equipment was really good. But not when it went raw, so really like a single ply squat suit. I'd be like six seventy five squadron four seventy two. Bench in competition, but and bigger stronger faster in just a bench competition at five a one and a bencher think the best I ever did in gym was like five eighty five. That's what the shirt the best. I ever did. I think Ron the gym is is five hundred you know, now, I blew out my shoulder, and those don't work like that anymore to give some people perspective, you know, everything in my gym, specialized the plates or specialized the barbells or specialized at the time when we when I was lifting those big ways we had a bar, which is called the iron wolf bar. And this this thing is so has so much crazy nearly on it. It's like a cheese grater that it kind of ruined the inside shape of our squat rack because when you try to move the wait around a role at all it would sheer metal off there. And if you went to duck underneath to do a squat. It would Tomahawk you it would it would just fricken cut the toppy or your hair rate off like just blow my like a razor. So everything in their specialized and that bar was designed that way. So it stays sturdy on your back, and it was extra thick. So that there was no whip when you're trying to squat because we have that much weight on your back. If the weights are flopping around could be really hard to try to stabilize it. And you're gonna end up probably fallen on the ground more. And also he had you know, we use kilo place which are super super thin or we had to always buy thinner forty five pound plates to give people an idea of what some of the stuff looked like I mean to be very common to walk into super training gym on Tuesday on a Thursday night. Tuesday was a big squat night. Thursday was a big bench night, and you would see six seven eight nine forty five on each side of the bar one time just to do it because I wanted to try I could've easily used our kilo plates and stuff, but I was doing some math. And I was like holy crap. I can bench press twenty forty five pound plates. I'm gonna fuck and try that tomorrow. And so as ten. Forty five pound plates on each side if you can invest and now that's a special bar too. 'cause it has an extra ounce plus the bar nine forty five. Yeah. It's like. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And you know, I did it off words in context for people like for me. I understand these numbers because I just know like even just like I remember this like I was never even able to get to twenty five for ten. I could never quite get there, which I always thought it was like until you can do to twenty five or ten you're not actually benching. And I remember like I got only get to about eight. And so I was just such a pathetic bench presser. But I also know like how heavy that is the numbers. You guys are talking about like, I don't even understand what eight fifty seven bench press means like how do we just trying to think like you could bench press the back of a car, you could lay under a car, and at least get the car out of its suspension. Right. I, you know, I don't know an easy way to try to explain something that's a little bit complicated to people that might not understand it all I know is that typically when you go into a commercial Jim somebody might be moving around a plate two plates, maybe three plates in the strongest guy at some of these commercial, Jim sometimes pretty strong. But usually going to see somebody us four oh five four plates on each side. It was very common that week in week out at my gym and still is very common where there's groups of people, you know, one after another I guess where you can make a comparison is a friend of mine was a collegiate wrestler and he ended up being altern on the Olympic team. And when he went to train at the Olympic training center. He said he remembered there was some guys they're after he was there for a while. There's some guys that would brag. And they're like on all American from this place for that place or AllState from this college, or whatever whatever whatever the thing was whatever the championship was. And he was just like we all are, you know, what's special about yield? You're not special snowflake. You know? And so inside the walls of the gym as we were building up and Megan ourselves a lot stronger. That's what we'd see day in and day out. It was just commonplace to see somebody squad seven hundred pounds eight hundred pounds dead lift a hundred pounds things I think that was sort of took it for granted as a kid that for my first exposure lifting weights, which was starting at thirteen till nineteen. I only knew that one Jim. Yeah. So I only knew exactly what you're describing which we were the weakest, you know, me, and my friend were like the little babies there. But you'd see these guys who were simply from another planet and everything was only counted in plates, right? It was like six places at seven places. Eight played ten of course, you know. This was such a crappy gym at the bars were all bent like you had to know how to position yourself under the bar to squat because the bar. So Herman deformed dangerous. It's just crazy. And now you as you said I go into like crunch, which is where I lift weights. When I'm in new. New york. And it's like you don't see anybody really going above two or three plates typically, and look they're still strong dudes. But what you're describing is looking back on it. I wish I I wish I knew more when I was doing looking back on we tried to learn as much as we can as we're doing it. But along the way I've gotten injured and being hurt is worse like to me. Now, it sucks because I'm hurt. I can't fix it. So I got hurt from I told my tricep just from pushing things too hard pushing pushing much too hard years ago, maybe or what was like five years ago, and it just never heal. Right. And it never when I went to the doctor to see if I needed to get reattached like it's torn. But it'll probably he'll pretty good and Bob LA, and like, you know, so I just didn't get it reattaching. Also is right before I went to rehab. I wasn't in a good state of mind. Go get reattached, whatever and just never came back. And so I wish I knew more in now. What's what's nice about? Now coming back around is a lot of things that are injured. I've been. I've been able to rehab in being able to, you know, fix as well, so still lifting pretty heavy. But I wish we had that knowledge back then of like not getting hurt. So knowing what you know. And you guys have heard me talk about the importance of weight training. I it's probably the only thing that for me is never compromised my life sort of revolves around weight training. So I have to get in the gym three days a week and my hotels when I'm on the road are planned around where those lifts are going to be and win. And Bubba wa and yet doesn't mean that every week I can squat and deadliest and do all the things that matter, but almost without exception. So this stuff's important. But the other thing I'm sort of fond of saying look rule number one don't get hurt. So if someone's listening to this and either like know these numbers don't mean, anything or whatever, but they still get the gist of it, which is hey, I probably ought to be lifting weights. And let's say they're thinking, hey, I want to be able to squat and dead left and bench. I want from each of you guys really, you know, sort of the most important thing. That you know after all of your years of both watching coaching and experiencing that you would pass onto somebody. So that's start with you. The hard part is rule. Number one. Is the challenge yourself rule? Number two is not hurt yourself. So that's where things get to be a little difficult as we get older a lot of times that shifts. Right. But in the beginning, you you need to get hurt. Sound sounds foolish to mention that? But we've all been hurt in the gym. And we've all learned a lot from it. And I'm not saying that you should have has jumping they're not warm up and stuff, but the truth is we could sit here and promote warm up and stretching and stuff, and no one's still going to do it. But let's. Big on warming up the glue Mead. You've got you sell a thing that one of the things I'm hoping you either have here or I'll have to buy it on the website. But I like your little hips your hip circle. So I mean that was one of the most important sites of my life. Was you can't squat or dead lift until your gluten Mead your fell are working. It's foolish. It's foolish to start a workout without warming up. You gotta move around. If you're going to do any sort of upper body stuff. You gotta get the elbow joint warm. You gotta get the shoulders warm, and the doesn't have to be any science to it not to be anything in particular to if you're gonna squat. You throw on something like hip, circle, you walk forward you walk backwards walk side to side. And maybe you do some sort of bending exercise where you're you're picking up barbell or plate, you know, and just bending from the hips, basically, but you have to warm up for your workouts? But if you're not challenging yourself, and you're missing out on a big piece of the puzzle because you're never going to get the results you're looking for. People always think that when they look at other people on social media when I look at Jeff bass owes the guy that owns Amazon if they look at Alon musk, they look at the rock people are like not so cool. Like that would be awesome to be them. Like must be easy like must be easier because they're them because they have that money because they have that freedom. It is ten twenty thirty hundred thousand times harder to be them. It gets to be harder and harder to be yourself as you continue to grow and fitness. And so that's the reason why you have to challenge yourself each and every day have to figure out a way. How can I be better than I was yesterday doesn't always mean that you have to do more weight? But you have to challenge yourself in something there has to be progress without progress. I don't believe you can even have happiness. And so the progress is going to be very very motivating to you as well could be something that will help keep you on track before, I go to you. Chris I want to follow up more on that talked me about some of the ways that you would monitor progress when you're already at the level of the world's best which you were the days are long gone where there's a PR every day in the gym UP are once a year that's a good year. So what are you doing to motivate yourself day in and day out when you're still benching every week and still squatting and still dead lift like, how are you finding out? What are these incremental goals as you chase one thing something else starts to fall apart? And they'll be tipping point. You wanna be really strong? Well, maybe maybe run into an injury. Just 'cause like sometimes we're sitting there and trying to think about. I don't know. Maybe you're hipster tighter. Maybe it's like how about it's just you try to lift up seven hundred pounds and been doing for the last three or four weeks. And that's just that like that's just the way the body's going to be. So there's always something to work on. There's always something to improve yours have that kinda white belt mentality where you're like, I don't know everything I don't pretend to know everything there's still so much to learn expand upon and when you look around your like are there other people that are better than me in this lift are there. Other people are stronger than me. Of course, there is are there other people who've gone further than me courses. So that means I have a lot to work on. There's always a PR to chasers. Always something to chase. It might not be on that lift it just might look like something different one of the magical things that I've learned in the gym. And it's one of my favorite things. Just and I share this everybody. Do you know a way to get a PR single time? You step foot into a gym low standard start low. Well, that's that's my life, right there standards. To try to try something never done before. What's your max set of seven with inclined dumbbell press? You've no clue right. What's your max? That is what's your max set of three sets of seven with one minute rest on inclined over us idea or machine or like, you can get excited, and you kind of make it anything and you start to kind of make it into a little bit of a game. And that's where it gets to be really fun. All last time. I tried this. I did I think I did ninety five pounds. I'm gonna try a hundred pounds one hundred five pounds. And at first a lot of those things will go up up up and after a while they will dissipate, but you can always think of well, maybe I'm gonna try sets a twenty five today because I've never done it before. So what about you, Chris all the hard knocks? You've learned what's what's the advice for the person listening to this who wants to get stronger and doesn't want to be intimidated when they walk in the weight room. Yeah. The number one thing for me that really changed my life altogether. As my diet. You know, what I put in my mouth. Affected. What I did in the gym. And I didn't never saw that correlation when I was younger because I just ate like crazy and was a power lifter. But I can really see now that every competition that I one once I moved to California. So I explain to you before we were even on the podcast. I was telling you when I moved to California in nineteen ninety three I met up with a group of powerlifters. One of them was Mike o'hearn. Another one's my friend. Ron fed co who is a a maniac, and he was a so Ron fed Khoza powerlifter. He was getting his degree in applied mathematics at UCLA getting his PHD. And now, he's the head of the computer science department Stanford. This guy would bench. He bench press five twenty six with no bench shirt. He squatted eight oh, four something like that and lifted ladies close to eight something like that at one ninety eight and when he met me he said to me, you're too fat. You need to lose weight. Like like, one of the first things he said to me when I was like, hey, really weird stuff too. And you're like he told us about like. Condron stuff. Yeah. Way back like, my red blood cells are way off should build a press that from more reps. Ruling what he's always bench twenty five for sixty four reps. Just like he was a maniac. So anyway, he's probably one of the first things he said was like, you know, you're just too fat to be powerlifter. Like, he just had no. Here's rough on the rough around the edges, but you know, but if you lost weight, you'd be pretty good. I'm glad I have no idea how to like really lose weight. I've been I've been China lose weight. That's why I'm in the gym the entire time from the day. I step in the gym my goal is to lose weight. And I never been able to until I figured out this Kito diet. You know, we're you. So you you talk about how you were chubby as a kid. Chris Mark riyobi as a kid. I I was fat too. I got around. I got fat around thirteen and continued to to build because we didn't know anything about eating everything. Eight was snack wells and granola bars. Does that bad? Yeah. Okay. Pretty a little bit more in the middle. I guess, but like, you know, by around sixteen years old, I was like two hundred and forty pounds. But I was like kind of a big big and fat. And then, you know, I started learn more because he was picking up stuff relaying information to me. And then I started kinda slimmed down and getting better shape. But when I met Ron in ninety three, and I the very first thing he said was like, hey. Go get a piece of paper and write down everything I said, so I ran him. Did it got the papers all excited I'm twenty three years old and getting information from this great powerlifter, and he says red meat and water, and I write it down on going. Okay. What else? That's it. That's your diet red meat and water. I don't even wanna see you chewing stick of gum. And I was kinda scared of Ron. So of course, I didn't even chew stick a gum. And I went for like two or three weeks. I'm no carbs, just literally ground beef. This is before grass-fed beef was even a thing. I don't think you'd be able to find it. If you had to those big fouls around back then. Yeah. Those big fat tubes of being the five pounds, and I would just phone on. And I did that for a couple of weeks and lost over twenty pounds. One the powerlifting competition I went into and then continued to do that down to like one ninety eight class in the next meet after that had started around two forty and got all the way down under one nine eight. Much strength. Did you lose in when you actually got strong stronger way stronger, and the thing is so because I lost weight I was able to grab the bar now as able to squat better, right? As able to get down to the bar. And so it was hard doing like losing the weight and getting there. But once I got there. I was I stayed relatively strong. But my biggest problem was that for some reason there wasn't any research on Kito diet back. Then there wasn't any research at all on a there was research. But I didn't know how to get to, you know, especially the internet wasn't even around writing Ninety-three. Right. So barely around. What I did was I I stopped doing it. Because I I was afraid that the diet. I didn't know anything about it. I thought we needed carbohydrates though, we needed. So for me, the biggest lesson I learned was that. I should never got off the original Kito slash carnivore diet that worked really well. For me. I got off of it for like ten or fifteen years until getting back on it more recently in the past two years, but I feel like. Those years in between we're lost. I feel like I ruined him feel like because I wasn't optimizing my training along with my diet that kind of wasted those years. You know, if someone said to you, hey, I wanna learn how to squat, but I can't come to you and your Jim would you point them to me? I typically point people to videos that repetition makes. Yeah. Like who who are you like on YouTube, you have instructional stuff on there? He's got a lot. Yeah. I've over three thousand videos on YouTube. So we, you know, we have a whole media team. And we pump out a lot of a lot of the most exciting thing is that he's got videos from Cohn on their at Cohn swatter ever and videos from Stanford strongest rob how're lifter ever. You know, one thing Mark Ripa did really well as and people will bash him because they don't like there's a lot of people don't like the way that he squats. But really what he's trying to trying to show you a universal way to squat and people are like very safe way to squad. Yeah. Yeah. Biomed is very safe. A lot of people say all these. Leaning over way too much. Well, most people can't squat and upright position. They just don't have the ankle mobility the hamstring mobility as just trying to try to a five minute segment. Tell everyone how to squat and able lose lose sight of people. The benefit of the doubt Crawford is a great place for people to start. You know, that's interesting because there's some people that argue the opposite, right, which is cross fit tries to take relatively untrained people and get them to do Olympic lifting. And even when you look at Olympic lifters. They don't do that much pick lift say this. There has never in the history of the world has been a better fitness program than what cross it puts out. Nobody spends more time and more money on what they put together. I know because I've been on the on the back end of it. I've seen I've seen what they do. I've seen what they do with their website of seen what they do with all the different things. I'm not even across fit nut. I I don't even care about profit really to be honest with you one thing I don't like that they do the gymnastics element with adults is kind of a weird thing. Just because it's so. Hard to learn as you're older. But so what is a deeper and stronger challenge? Right. But when you start to learn that, they spend millions and millions of dollars, obviously, they make millions and millions of dollars. But when they spend millions and millions of dollars setting up a fitness contests that has over two hundred thousand participants and it narrows it down to the number one man and number one female in the world. I think that that's fucking awesome. And that's one of the coolest human studies. That's going on. They also come into Tristesse. That's when you go on the back end of their website. If you try to take one of those coaching courses, you'll get absolutely slaughtered. I don't care how much you know, about fitness. You'll get destroyed in that it is so hard to try to figure out how to like referee some of these things or how to even answer some of these questions that are on there. They have done an amazing job. And I know that they're reaching out to a lot of leading researchers when it comes to the nutrition aspect, I know they used to have rob wool. And they kind of have moved around a little bit. I'm not sure if you ever spoke with them, but I know some others that have and they do a good job of investigating and poking around and finding the right thing. I'm not saying the answer for everybody. But if you are somebody that just has no clue on where to start. I'd recommend try across box because they're everywhere. They're all over the place. Also understand that your first experience may not be great just like if you went to therapist or you went to a health care professional like they might suck. Right. So go and try another spot try some worlds, you should typically find that they're very encouraging the environment is very encouraging. They want you to exercise. They want to get better their business model, isn't that of a huge chain gym where like we want you to sign up for twenty bucks. Never see again. So I think cross fit offers lot teach people how to squat teaches people how to dead lift. I do wish that they paid a little bit. More attention to people trying to gain muscle a little bit more like a little bit more bodybuilding stuff. But they keep evolving they keep moving with the times. Let's actually talk a little bit about that. Because you're in the process of doing exactly what you just describe your training for bodybuilding competition. That's probably by the time this podcast come out the bodybuilding already taken place because it's in a few weeks. But you know, I was saying before we started this. I think you, and I Chris were playing paddock aches in the kitchen. And I was like, yeah. I was like there are few things I know less about than bodybuilding now, which isn't to say that growing up. I wasn't obsessed with it fricken had every copy of every magazine had pictures of Lee Haney all over my wall. Obviously, I know every single line of pumping iron includes all the outtakes. So, you know enough. I mean, I know that, but the point is I don't know anything about how to like make person big if someone came to me and said, Peter I wanna get jacked. Which should I do my answer would be have no clue. Like, I think it involves what you eat and how you lift. But that's about all, I know. So to me, this is like a super interesting art. So what have you guys learned about this? And I wanna specifically hear what you're doing first things. I I I would say a lot of bodybuilders and a lot of people that are into bodybuilding get their start because they start lifting for football or baseball or boxing, whatever. Whatever else doing they start like lifting weights for to get prepared for something else in the negative bit by the bodybuilding bug. So I think powerlifting. Is a great place to start for most people. And I think for most people do start a sorta start sort of benching for football. And then started squatting in, you know, next thing you I was in the bodybuilding. So I think a great what it is dive in and get started is through some sort of lifting program that might aid something else that you're trying to do that way. Also, killing two birds one stone you're getting better at what you're trying to do. And you know, who knows this might be something that you enjoy wanna pursue and empower lifting to me is I don't think I'd ever let my kids box. I just I feel fortunate that I got out of it alive minus the IQ points. I don't have. But I would love it. If each of my kids at least spent some time powerlifting because whatever you go to do later in life. You will have correctly learned the mechanics of the most important movements in the human body, which primarily come down down in your area. San Diego is his name. Jeff Morton, Jack Crawford kids fit kids. Okay. He started. Dissolve the name. Yeah. Now, it's called X brand X something. But anyway, so his thing is awesome. He's got all these kids involved in powerlifting. Right. So I went Mark. That's awesome marks company. Slingshot? They sent me down to San Diego with a camera and said go film this powerlifting. Meet for kids, and it was all kids from like, I think age is like seven or eight up to like fifteen and out of everything we've done on that channel at everything we did when marks YouTube channel that was the most fun. I've ever had just hanging out with kids that were like, you know, between the ages of eight and fifteen and having them say, Mark Bell changed my life. He wasn't able to make it. He had like something else going on that day at the gym. But to go there and be able to interview those kids out say on March brother, they will get so excited that I was March brother like no way, you know, Mark, Mike is my brother like no way grew up with them. And to me, it's like the joy of seeing these kids get involved in powerlifting was just exciting. I did a seminar there, and it was incredible to see. He the way these kids can move. I was like oh my God. I was like really apprehensive about doing a seminar does like what is that gonna look like I go to all these cross at boxes, and I get asked to come in and teach a seminar and how squat bench and dead lift and takes me hours and hours on end because it's very very difficult to teach people how to squat meaning to teach Dulce how to squat who haven't who are tight in the hips or. Yeah. Tied in the hips. Maybe they don't have a lot of experience lifting or they just have bad experience lifting. And there haven't learned enough yet. Getting with these kids was crazy though. I was so shocked their form on everything was impeccable. I was like holy shit because he runs a tight ship down there. He he has the kids. The first thing that you see when you walk in is first of all says parents, please wait outside for your child. They don't allow the parents hang out in there. If you wanna come in check, the place out for a minute to make sure it's not a bunch of creepers around you obviously you can. But they want you to drop your kid off their the and the second thing that you see is there's a. Room where kids go, and they do their homework. And so it sends a message like, you know, you're you're stopping here. First you're going to do your homework verse we're gonna check in with you. Make sure you got all your stuff done, then we're gonna go lift weights really have affiliate. His kids are gonna end up at this jam. It's interesting in Ramona. So when I I remember when I saw my boy who have a one year old and a four year old, and then I who are both boys. And then I got a ten year old girl are almost on your end the boy who's four because he still isn't in school. Meaning his only like, you know, whatever goof off school doesn't never sits in a chair who fought school. So anytime I watched him squat to pick something up. Go stop. They're going to get a picture ES. It's like form is great the the former's. It's ridiculous. Heels are down these are open mic God actually per like, he looks like a little power. He looks like a little Hercules. And then conversely, my daughter who used to be able to do that. Now, you know, she's whatever just finished fourth grade her squats worse than mine like her form. Is warmer when I say Libya get down squat for me. That's something. I I look at all the time. And I say how do we how do we maintain that in our children like I wish I could maintain that. And I think that something that somebody needs to figure out. Well, I mean, I think the answer is we're born with it is the first short. We are all born knowing how to hip hinge exactly, I would argue that sitting is the thing that cripples us. It's a big part. And so two how do you maintain it? Well, you can't eliminate sitting. But you can minimize it. Right. So if every kid had a standing desk in school, for example, that's in the right direction because most of that sitting comes at school. And then Secondly, it's like how you teach people the types of exercises. Do there's people working on the standing desk thing R Kelly Stora is leading that charge Kellyanne Juliet's threat leading the charge have kids have stand up desks and they're doing programs with raising money to to make that happen. Do you know Kelly strat, mobility across? And they've they've had great success kids do better in school when they stand to, you know, so they've been another big element. Of, you know, having children progress with some of those things rather than go backwards would be to simply have the physical education. You know, have a little bit more emphasis than does a used to real physical education and that and now you can't really do it anymore. Kids can't do pull ups or pushups or run a mile and everyone should remember the president should be able to do some version of that. I'm not saying everyone should be like super proficient on it. But you know when you start in kindergarten. You learn your ABC's you start to learn some math, and as you keep progressing English progresses. Your math progressions you. Learn more stuff about history starts out with George Washington. And you progress to learn more about American history and so on, but when it comes to the physical education not much relief changes. It's like it just like playing, and then it goes into like a little bit more stuff, and it just completely fizzles out. Now, it's a lot of times not even in school anymore and used have that presidential physical fitness thing. Right. And actually was like a program that made sense. But then they just completely like discontinued that kind of stuff, and I think that like getting kids to be active at school all day, and then like gym classes like nobody wants to get dressed for gym class. And nobody does anything a lot of times kids. Take the kids out for a walk or something, you know, all around with a kid. I kick a ball around the Kate. I mean, if they're five six seven, I do this not gonna turn that too with with my daughter when she comes in the gym with me in the morning because at in San Diego, workout at home and one of things I've got her doing which is a competition is what's her how long can she dead? Hang in shimmy. And she's you know, I forget what her record is now. But it's like, you know, the first time she did it. She could only hold seventeen seconds or something like that. And now, she's overeating minutes. Dead hanging. Really? Yeah. She's a savage and she's light as a feather. But that's still pretty cool. Right. So so now, hang for two minutes. I die after that. She's getting an idea of what that's doing to on the funny thing that I love about doing it is explaining to her the mental fitness. So that time she failed at seventeen seconds. She just went from hanging failing. And I was like Libya. I didn't even see you shaking. I didn't see you suffering when the hell is going on here. Like like, I don't think you understand the purpose of this. Exercise you were trying to test the limit of what you're capable of by definition that is going to hurt and the other thing this is funny. Maybe I was rod actually is interesting kid super healthy because sometimes in in competition a kid may be more discouraged to swim next to the other kid next to them because they're like, I don't just think if I try harder. I'm not going to get any further ahead kids still going to put my ass in this. It's just her versus her, which is cool. Yeah. And I even once she started to get the bug in her and she wanted to do it every day. She would go in and do it. And I was like look live. You gotta take a couple of days off like if you really wanna hit this you need to rest and recover a little bit. And we'll start planking and doing other things. So, you know, I hope Liberty Media electrolytes, and we need to get you. Have you had to? If you really wanna do this. We're gonna push it. You're gonna be Olympic hanging champion. So what are your first experience with bodybuilding was when now this is one years old? So I'm dying to know. Like, can I not look like a pathetic guy? Like, what would I need to do? If I wanted to be half as jacked as you bodybuilding amazing. You can make changes really really rapidly make changes really really fast for me. I'm very fortunate. I'm around a lot of people that have a lot of great information. And so I have the ability to have some accelerated success with with the amount of people that are surrounding me in this in this effort, but the diet is interesting. The cardio is interesting. We're in a country. That's so fat that there's like studies that show that cardiovascular trainings bad for you of shows like it increase, your Asher, Jin your quarters also much. He can't release fat. I mean, just some of these things are it's really it's really it's really crazy to think that people are trying to even. Study something like when you look at bodybuilding bodybuilders for years have done these certain things very specific ways. And it works time and time and time again, it's just continues to work every single time bodybuilders are partially responsible or probably largely responsible for Keita genyk diet even sticking around the first place because they will always introduce some form a low carbohydrate living. That's how I learned about it many years ago, but the discipline to do all the things that you don't want to do when you normally don't want to do them is really really powerful stopping yourself from eating extra. Jay Cutler came into our Jim recently four-time, Mr. Olympia, and he said on a podcast that he can you explain to people what the differences between Mr. Olympia and any other bodybuilding. Yeah. The Mr. Olympia contests the biggest Super Bowl. Yeah. That's what ours. What Arnold Schwarzenegger was seventy famous for during. Aids and those guys. So, you know, this isn't just some schmuck. This is a this is the world bodybuilder for four. Yeah. He said he eight seven times a day, and I sat there. Wow. That's a lot of dedication eat seven times a day. That means, you know, all your meals are prepped and everything and he ate the same food at the same time every single day. He did his cardio at the same time. He did his weightlifting at the same time. He would go tanning at the same time. He would get hot tub get a massage and so on and go to sleep all all these things were regimented out. So that way he never skipped a beat. And that way he could be precise that way he could be the best as he was talking about all these things I kept kind of dwelling on that seven meal thing because I've tinkered with some intermittent fasting, and I've teetered with some different things. But I was fixated on that. I'm like. As I got into this bodybuilding stuff. I started asking some other guys. Can you do this and do that? They're like now. A Mike I can have like to have one hundred fifty carbs day, sixty five grams of fat three hundred fifty grams of protein, and like can I just have one hundred grams of protein in one shot and have a big steak meal at the they're like, no. I'm like trying to figure out all these loopholes. There's no loopholes. This is the way it's gotta be. It's fifty grams of protein at every meal for seven meals at three hundred fifty grams of protein, that's what you're supposed to do. And so I finally got it through my fat head. That's what I'm supposed to do. But these things are lined up in very specific manner. Now when I went and started to try to look and poke around and figure out how many times a day the average person eats. It was fifteen times a day because there's so much snacking. There's so much snacking. And I just never I never even thought about it. But I'm like, I'm on a diet all the time. I'm always trying to lose weight. And boy, do I sabotage the fuck out of myself because I do that all the time. I'll grab you know. And it's stuff that you know, within this reasonable healthy. Sure shirts annual almonds cheese stick, and you think you're so hungry. And you think you need it to recover new thinking needed to be jacked. But you just don't you can actually handle eating a lot less than you're currently eating is one thing to know. And you can actually handle a lot more training. Now, I'm not trying to suggest that you just get in this crazy mode of over training and develop body Dismore, Fiat and all these things, but I do think you could probably push yourself a lot further than you know, currently. And when you if you go from not implementing bodybuilding stuff to implementing bodies building stuff, it makes a huge difference. Now you've been on Joe Rogan's podcast. We've been fortunate enough to be on his podcast as well. He's the perfect example. He takes. Somebody like that already has a good structure or yourself, and you mentioned kettle bell training and mention different things, you were speaking with Daniel Reagan, telling him some of the things that you've been doing I know and Daniel knows because we train with Michael hurt that if you implemented some bodybuilding stuff are not even somebody billing stuff if you if you just embraced bodybuilding period, you'd be able to look so much different four weeks from right now. So give me an example, like a practical ample probably up your protein too. That's usually one. I don't know what it is now. So I can't really say that. But right now, I'm in Kito. So my proteins pretty low. It's probably about one hundred grams of you probably want more like one point seven. So the science that I've heard, you know, one point seven grams per kilogram of body weight will elicit muscle growth. Right. So we need at least that much for me. It's one hundred and thirty five grams. So I think it's just like finding that number sticking to that number and like Mark said incorporating some bodybuilding stuff for me the changes with extra protein happened. Immediately. And like hell, you just changed one day. I was skinny fat next day. I was muscular, and it was kinda kinda like that by you is this rule of fifty grams per mealtimes, the seven meals, I mean, presumably, that's because we know acids have relatively short residents, and you've got to kind of keep the exposure to those things high for a longer period of time, right at least the hypertrophy. Right. And that's specifically for me. That's for my body weight. That's for the energy expenditure. That's for my age with a general understanding of what do you know what I mean, maybe back two hundred thirty pounds, but you're getting close to competition. So as you wanna show up the competition, weighing what you personally, I'm just gonna kinda end up where end up, but I would imagine it would be another ten probably be another eight ten pounds of actual weight loss before now. And then and they'll probably be another five to ten pounds of water weight that dropped I don't really know what they have guesstimate. Your body fat percent will be on the day of all I don't have any idea. But I think I'll probably about two hundred and fifteen pounds or two hundred ten pounds. I think actually really the lower the lower that I way I feel like the bigger that I'll probably look without getting you know, getting out of hand with that. Then I'll and he of your building phase before you begin to taper how much did you weigh? I didn't have one because I was just came straight. Powerlifting. And yeah, just kinda got shoved into because I was I was dropping some weight, but I was probably about two forty two forty five. So that's that's what I'm talking about. The difference is only been it's only been about ten pounds. But it's crazy 'cause like even just on my YouTube channel posted a video days ago. But it's from about three two three weeks ago when I started all this me working on some posing just flat out look fat. You know compared to now obviously, not that. But it is fat flat outlook fat. Yeah. Mark is like you said he's got he's in a position where he can talk. Some of the best people in the world about training diet and nutrition. And what he was doing was a podcast with Hani Rambaud who is the nutritionist four Phil heath whose said Phil lean will win last year. Yeah. So he's now won seven can seven eight and how many Ronnie Coleman win eight eight. That's the most have you seen Ronnie homes documentary. I I know that mention that because it was a really great Haney story has only one seven eight you're right. Eighty four to ninety one and then Yates one like six or both those guys one eight. Yeah. So Mark's working on Rambaud who's helping them do his diet and stuff which I think is amazing to be able to have access to the top people in the world. And he was working the other day with Charles glass do and posing and Charles known as the godfather of bodybuilding. He's at goals gym every day, he trained extra Jackson for the two thousand eight, you know, Mr. Olympia, contests wells, like a ton of and amazing person to you know, o'hearn helping us both a lot here different. About the guy. But he just he trains at four o'clock in the morning. He wakes up at about two thirty. He eats at three. He makes sure he gets his ass the gym when he gets when he gets the gym. He's not full of motivational talk or anything like that. But a lot of times one of his first questions will be which eat this morning. And if somebody says they didn't eat anything he's just kind of he doesn't even really say anything he just kinda like walks off. But he's just it's it's almost like, oh, I guess you're not all in, you know, I guess you're not you're not as into this as I thought because this is this is a method that we're going to use. So the is clearly important. And I mean, if there's one thing that's clear in everything you're saying, it's just how imperiously wise this this sport is right? I can't even eat at a restaurant because I can't afford to have any oil or can't. I mean, there cannot be a can't have a day where I have a hundred twenty grams of fat. It's I'm supposed to have you know, sixty five grams of fat and a day. And for some reason something was often I had seventy or eighty when be the end of the world, but I'm supposed to wait by buying percentage of macro. What percentage of your calories protein fat carbohydrate right now? I don't really know that they don't have to run the math over there. But Daniel those numbers for three fifty and protein. Sixty five grams of fat and one hundred fifty grams of carbohydrates sometimes the carbohydrates are up a little bit from there, but fats are sixty five and you should be carbs one thirty five one fifty out some math Ghulam. But you know, it's like I said it's very specific and carbohydrates just to try to clear reading up for people are listening. So I know you're Akito proponent, and we love the Keita genyk diet Kita genyk diets always worked really well for me because it's allowed me to keep control over the amount of food that I eat. It's one of the few things that has burned off my hunger. It's one of the few things that have burned off my cravings. It's it's the only thing that has ever done that before where in the body building sites. Don't hang on site twenty six hundred Kelly. What's the percentage the MAC rose where we're getting some information from Daniel Ray, go off screen here for those that are interested. Yeah. What's Peter wanna know the MAC rose? For the fats. Probably. Twenty six hundred calories is what you're saying. Not a whole lot of calories. But you know, one thing on that. I don't feel deprived at all. I feel like I'm eating because I'm eating every two and a half three hours and everyone keeps talking about. How brutal is now hard is. And I know that it will get worse because you do start to calorie restrict, and they, you know, everyone says like the last two weeks kind of feel like zombie. But I've been feeling really good. And as I mentioned earlier in the progresses. The motivation is every day. I see something new or different on minimum. Like, wow, I didn't even have any idea. I could do any of this tour both my biceps. I tore my pack three times. I tore my hamstring. I've torn a bunch of stuff, and I never tried to consider to really bodybuild because I was like man if I die down. I'd look weird because I've torn all shit off my body people kept asking them for years when are you going to show, you should get you know, you're getting lean? Mcdonagh thought I was done. I was done. Powerlifting. I didn't have a lot of direction wasn't sure what I was going to do next. And so this challenge came. It came at a perfect time. And I challenge came from podcast with Hani. Right. He was like was on his podcast. And he said, well, why don't you do show? You look great. He said he said he said even more than he was signed you up for one hour doing it. So to your Kita genyk diet makes sense for the bodybuilder. What phase of you know, is it when they're trying to get leaner? Yeah. I see. So for. Force for some of the like pro bodybuilder guys Akito genyk diet probably doesn't play into anything. They really wanna mess around with unless they've been destructive for a while with their behavior. Like, if they if they have eaten if they've gone way off the rails and eaten but approaches and do that professional bodybuilder somebody's being serious who's trying to win money at these shows. They would not be somebody that would be doing this. They wouldn't even need to utilize Kita genyk diet. We're Kita genyk diet would play into where it would really help. Even somebody like myself. Former fat kid is ill helped me to kind of continue to tighten up. And it will also give me some mental freedom. I think one of the worst things you can ever do. Whether it's business or any aspect of your life lifting is get stuck in one thing because you time to your focus in on that one thing, and you can't see anything else. And so if you are always just doing him, bodybuilding diet, and if you're. Always utilizing cardio for forty five minutes every day all these things would become less effective. So with a key genyk diet can come in. You could utilize the Keita genyk diet to become technically works out pretty good on paper. But I don't know how it works. In theory, would be you could become more sensitive carbohydrates by dumping in Akita genyk diet at certain points and changing up the style of exercise that you do for a while to bodybuilding competitions. Obviously Olympia is not a drug regulated Titian. Correct. So you can't compete at that level without lots of drugs. What about the level outside of Olympia? So this competition year doing is a considered a drug free competition. I don't even know much about I've never even been to a bodybuilding show. So this is all very new to me. I only caught the tail end of bodybuilding show at the Arnold classic. Were you know, I went to go see Brian Shaw and some of the bodybuilding stuff was finishing up. And it was it was impressive. I mean, it was it was pretty. Crazy to see those guys because those are some of the best events effectively the Olympic level Olympia level body. Dexter Jackson up there fifty one or fifty two years old. I mean, there's some real savages there. But yeah, I don't even know like, I know the posing I've been working on that. But I don't know like the categories, and I barely know. So for this are you using anabolic steroids or diarrhea or any of the sort of aids that one would you know as as in bigger, stronger faster. You know, I talked about utilizing him from the time. I was twenty five I've been using them. I've been I say in the movie, I'm going to probably be on and off from the rest of my life. And that's what I believe is direction. I chose when you choose a certain thing. And you liked the result of it. Like, I don't feel like there's any reason to go back and for me for now as well. I get it prescribed which is kind of added bonus to make sure that it's like, I guess more on the up and up, but to me doesn't really make any difference. Whether. Grab it from some due to the jam whether you get it from a doctor. I actually think that I think that you know, there's they're not going to be all that regulated. Anyway, no matter no matter how you slice it. But, but what are the gonna I don't know anything about how builders use steroids? What are the what are the immune body mass is the main thing? So people get confused about what they actually do people get confused about what steroids. Do I think people think that that steroids automatically make you strong, and they don't necessarily automatically make you strong. What they do in most cases, they allow people to gain more weight and other some cases where people don't gain a whole lot away, and they do gain strength. But if you don't continue to gain weight at some point that strength only level up so much. So when you introduce steroids steroids, don't multiply on top themselves. They only worked to a certain level. So you're you're on level one with your lifting, and you progress in your genetics and everything allow you to get to level four. For you, take steroids and maybe over period, timing. It's like level six, but you still not going to be able to get to level eight nine or ten or these guys like Jay Cutler, and some of these mammoth people are because of their genetics because their environment as children because of x y and z you're probably just never going to be able to level up to their potential, but which is an important distinction. A lot of people are starting points. A lot of people look at you know, let's fill heath because he's the best in the world today. And it's all drugs all drugs, but I don't think people understand like I could inject the human being with every anabolic steroid period. Let's get the world's supply of anabolic steroids and injected into me. Yeah. I couldn't look one tenth of what that guy looks like right? And the best coaching and the best whatever people like to make things easy and simplify it. And they can't come close to fill heath. They can't even come close even with a ton of drug. So they just want to say, oh, it's steroids. It's not it's not like, oh, this guy works harder. This guy's better. And I do think that steroids. Cloud the sport. I do I do think that if there was a way to get steroids out of the sport that it could be more popular across the mainstream. However, well, the reason why it has become more popular because they do have like men's physique, and they got some of these different categories. Now, where you're seeing you're seeing more men and on more more mainstream with some of that stuff of types. Don't look as crazy, right? And now there's a category called classic physique. And it's like it's interesting because like in the very first year of classic physique, my friend, Danny Hester. He won Mr. Olympia. Classic physique is about one hundred ninety pounds. He looks awesome. He's always he always looks awesome about my height one ninety Jack shred in looks amazing. And then next to the guy that wins. It's two forty. And I mean like this is not classic. Yeah. Like what happened to the little guys that were in great, shape and guy that one looked? He looked amazing. But it's and it's a different look than the bigger bodybuilders. But it's not like it's not yet a natural thing. It's not like one guy's natural guys on it's like, they're just on different levels. Right. ESO classic. Doesn't mean drug-free. It means you're trying to produce a phenotype that China Arnold Schwarzenegger's is like what's funny is like now they have a category on swertz Niger was Mr. Olympia seven times, he was considered in the Guinness Book of world record, the greatest male physique, which is he putting win a California bodybuild. That's what I'm saying can't win anymore like so. So if you look like Arnold you'd win. Classic physique now, which is kind of crazy so favorite seventies. Eighties. Bodybuilder Frank Zan. Mike mentzer, Mike mentzer. Yeah. And Arnold Arnold. Really big influence during aides to you know, we blood and guts law that was he was he was later right nineties and. Mentzer and Yates actually have quite a bit in common they trained they trained together to and I trained with Mike mentzer when I came out here when I moved out here in ninety three like you see people at the gym. And you had first thing I did it was I'm trying to Mike mentzer. I don't care. He blew out my knee because he had me do these crazy squats on the spot machine. And it messed up my knee for like six months, but it's still had got to train with them that which was cool. But at the time, I got to tram with them. I showed up at the gym. And he was outside smoking a cigarette. And he's all fat. And it was like all this is Mike mentor. Now, this is what he is. You know, and it's like a lot of times in life. Especially me, I've met all my heroes and pretty much. Everybody's let me down. So just the way life is have you ever met a hero that where they exceeded your expectation? I don't know. I say have we? Yeah. We have many times. I'm sure I'm sure we have own Ed Cohen, Jay Cutler, stone cold, Steve Austin's, one of my favorite people entire world. He's me. So. Oh, intelligent, Joe Rogan's Bucky. So well researched. Like, he just I he's just awesome to be like there's there's people like that. I think where we Cutler is like Romney, the lock is amazing. When you meet the rock, you're like, well, it's all probably just an act, but the rock will look you in the eye, shake your hand and say, how's your mom doing like, he means it, you know, and you could feel that he means it, and and that's important, especially when you're that big of a celebrity and stuff like one of the things I struggle with. And I was talking about this a little bit. When I was on Joe Rogan's show. I've been pretty vocal and open about my view that once I really spent like five years learning everything there was to learn about anabolic steroids came to the conclusion that well, I can't speak to what happens in bodybuilding because I think that takes it to a different level. But certainly within the level of how they're used in cycling, or, you know, more physiologic levels of us. I can't see any evidence of harm now EPO's different. You can certainly take too much peo- and cause problems. But once you start talking about testosterone Tanaz Lal Alexandra loan these drugs that are typically used in sports again. I was having a very hard case. I'll give you I'll show you, right. Hear my tricep. That's one I was bench pressing four fifty five after it might triceps heard a little bit. There were sore. And then I popped my tricep. I've never been hurt lifting in my entire life. At the time. I was on a ton of juice. So you're that you just didn't have the tendon strength. Yes early. I attribute that to steroid use for sure HANA percent. So to say that there's no ill effects of our no side effects thinking more of the cardio metabolic liver. Kidney cardio. No. But can you injure yourself? You know, Joey Dee as one of my favorite people in the world. He's hilarious. He says he's like you see these guys in the gym in the fifty years old, and they used to take steroids now that it's like like a bag of shit. You know, it's like I kind of agree with that statement to that. There are a lot of people that have taken steroids and abused them and gotten really crappy skin and crappy like just, you know, things that that don't look good, not aesthetic and probably not healthy. I'm sure that they've driven a lot of people's blood in the bad direction, which could. Which could lead to other things possibly, right? But but not definitely. So I think that's where we're looking at like, the detrimental effects of steroids would be among it's like among the users that are losers. If that makes sense it's like, it's the users that aren't paying attention to everything else under medical supervision, though, when you're again doing these things with physiologic doses, which is pretty different than what the average person is doing talking like something not a doctor would prescribe. Well, you know, for example, you take somebody who's testosterone is like two standard deviations below the mean, and you revert them back to the mean or median dasta forgoing in that respect. I would have to go back and say that you're a hundred percent, right. I haven't seen anything like even muscle tear on a normal those. But I was I was using pretty good doses. Well at the time, I was using trenbolone, and I was using testosterone together. And I was taking some other oral stuff. It was like right after I got a rehab. Gotta get jacked in like. And it's funny because I tell you an AA that if you're on steroids, it affects from the neck up, and you're not allowed to take them. So people got on my case about and how much. Just two hundred milligrams a week. I've always stuck to the two hundred milligrams never really went above that. Because I never wanted like puffy, you know, which is interesting. I don't think I've if I've ever replaced a person's testosterone which done many times exaggeratedly for patients who are low. I've never had a patient that high on two hundred is not high from performance. Yeah. I've seen guys show up. What is it usually one hundred of? Yeah. If I'm going to start a patient, again, I it's much more complicated than other sex more binding globulin their estrogen. Yeah. Free testosterone is really what we're trying to fix, but very unusual that I would ever start a patient anything more than fifty milligrams twice a week. It's interesting because everybody I know is on the goes the same doctor has the same dose. So it's it's just that. Well, and again, it's a very different. It's very different thing. We're trying to optimize forming my interest in replacing testosterone is resolving insulin resistance preserving muscle mass. Like, it's it's a bunch of other interesting that you say that and it actually gives me a lot more confidence in going somebody talking. Like years. I just know almost everybody that's on SaaS thrown all take two hundred milligrams. Like, I don't think I've. Think I think I've once had a patient take a hundred twice a week. So I think it would pretty high. I think when you're saying it is like, oh, wow. You actually you actually don't give everybody the same dose. First of all. I don't even like I mean, most most patients that I need to replace Diaz thrown in which still a minority of patients. I'm not using stockroom. Right. My first goal is can you get them to endogenously make hostile? And so the way I what do you do that? So I start with the final thing I care about his free testosterone so free testosterone is low and I define low is somewhere between one and two standard vacations below the mean of our reference range in the lab and symptomatic. So you have to have these two things in my opinion. So if the numbers low, but I see no evidence of symptom. Meaning they're not having a difficult time maintaining muscle mass. They don't have too much adipose tissue or not insulin resistant libidos fine, all these things that I don't believe in fixing the number. But let's assume you have someone who symptomatic and who's lo so free. Saas run is low. The next question is is free testosterone low because testosterone is low or because sex among binding globulin is high because free testosterone, which is what matters is proportional to testosterone and inversely proportional to sex Homer, binding globulin. So once you answer that question, if sex binding globulin is too high you have to investigate why there are really only four reasons for it, insulin, thyroid hormone, estrogen and genetics. So you you do your investigation you figure out what's going on? If to SaaS thrown is too low the next question is too low because you're siphoning too much of your testosterone into either dihydrotestosterone DAT or extraditable. Yes. Or no if yes, you can block both of those right? You have five as inhibitors you have roommates inhibitors if it's low not because you're siphoning too much way. Then the question is are you not producing enough. And if you aren't producing enough for you not producing enough because you don't have enough THE, which is a substrate or do not have the patera signal is your f- SHO's L H too low. So they're actually nine steps in understanding someone. Testosterone and free testosterone level, and we can actually impact every single one of those steps pharmacologically if we're trying to this service. So so, yeah, it's it's a much different approach when you're doing it for medical manage this kind of blows my mind to cause I'm like, wow, there's now. So this is like, you know, you learn something new every day. It's like I'm just used to people take into milligrams testosterone. Now, you just turn me onto nine different ways that I can increase like you can give a person you can give them something it stimulates L HR f h production. So there's a there's a pre hormone that synthetic hormone that mimics while mimics, basically estrogen molecule at the hypothalamus that then tells the to a Terry to make more episodes Elhage that in many ways, you're putting us in practice clinically and you're seeing awesome results with and this is funny. This is one of those things that we learned sort of from people who were doing this. But it's now actually become I mean, I would hesitate to say mainstream because I don't think people are fully mainstream and understanding this. But now you're seeing this stuff. Published in medical literature has hey, there are really reasonable safeway's to increase testosterone. Without even giving them Dostram. Will you can also start with that even even without supplementation? Right. There could be certain foods that could be certain foods to avoid. Maybe maybe somebody doesn't have a sound diet. A sound diet house to house? The throw you out to me the first step in evaluating a male for Hypo GD ISM, which is just the technical term for low testosterone, especially if the so this is not uncommon finding the guy has low free testosterone, but his Estra dial is not too high. His sex binding globulin is not too high. His DHT is not too high. His DHEA is not too low. He's not making enough testosterone. But his F L H are also low. So what does this mean in English? This means this guy's brain isn't making the signal to tell his body to make more Austrian despite the fact that his testosterone is low. So that tells you where the problem is the problem is in the brain and the. Number one diagnosis for that is sleep deprivation. So when I finished residency, my I don't I didn't measure free testosterone. I only knew my total testosterone. But it was two hundred twenty that was on a scale where two standard deviations below the mean was three fifty. Yeah. Two standard deviations above the mean twelve hundred and I'm to twenty out on my hip replacement. I was forty nine. That's where that's when I got. Yeah. Forty nine you. I mean, most women have a higher dodger to set. I don't know how you get out of bed. I don't know. Just do. Yeah. So in my case, I might has astronaut went from two twenty to about six fifty by just sleeping once. I went from not sleeping four hours a night, boom that improves of Americans are not sleeping because they're obese because they're heavy. So if they could figure out a way to get momentum get the diet straightened out get the sleep a little bit better. They can start heading right direction to. Yeah. And the other thing is cortisol. So if you. You have hypercholesterolemia that is going to negatively impact to Storrow production directly and indirectly what is hyper quotas, high levels of cortisol. That's all yeah. Yeah. In medicine. We have with fancy ways to say short it makes smarter. So if you have too much cortisol one you have a you have a shunt, right? You have something called pregnenolone shunned or steel where you start to steal precursors of testosterone to make more cortisol. So that's depleting you of substrate to make this. But the I think perhaps the more the more sinister issue is these high levels of cortisol impair you from entering what's called delta wave sleep, which is where you make the F L H to make the task you only make this stuff when you're sleeping. What about you know, there's a lot of doctors that are prescribing stuff to people, and they'll prescribe some of these cholesterol, medications, statins statins. Yeah, they're probably damaging, right? I mean, some of these things are probably damaging towards just a natural male to stop Stronach and even with the females. Stuff aren't the art these things kind of. Yeah. I mean, it's actually playing a little bit too. In theory. You could make an argument that says if you take a statin, which is inhibiting cholesterol, synthesis, and given that you need cholesterol to make sex hormones that should be depleting them. But we don't actually see that in the data. So even though it's really no, you don't actually see that. Now that doesn't mean that at extreme levels it won't show up. I think I've been saying that for years while I could blocks your cholesterol, and then that's what makes interns out that's probably overly simplistic, the bodies more complicated and more rigorous than we give it credit for. So the body will prioritize its use of cholesterol for two things above all else, which is forming cellular membranes because cholesterol is what gives a sell its fluidity membrane fluidity and then hormone production, so particularly court a codes and sex hormones. So does that mean that you couldn't stat Nuys person into the next millennium and up suppressing? No, doesn't you probably could. But I think at the l-. Levels that most people are taking them the evidence would not actually suggest that we're inhibiting dodging testosterone production. And I think like with what I do. You know, I was made the movie prescription thugs all set on my statins or bad like stay away. Right. And then I listen to you talk and really intelligent conversation with Dr CRA, Ron Krauss, long, Krause, right and guys are all talking about statins. A whole time might wait a second. These guys don't know that they're bad. And I'm like these guys that actually know what they're talking about the treat people everyday. So it kind of opened my mind back up to Staten. So I think like a lot of times when we're doing research, we're trying to find out the truth or whatever like I was like austat, they're all bad. And I think all one way, and I'm trying to not think that way about things like where I'm thinking. Nothing's all bad. Nothing's all good. And that's kind of the way to bring this thing full circle as we probably wrap up. So we can let you get back to your day at the outside. I said you kind of in many ways open my eyes to revisiting something that I took for. I just assumed dogma stare. Oy are bad. If you have one milligram of testosterone, sipping eight injected into human being you will kill them that was my view, and then I come away from bigger stronger faster. And I'm like, I don't maybe I gotta rethink this. Now, it's not to say, I have any understanding expertise of house air raids used in bodybuilding or things like that where I suspect they can still be harmful if abused, but certainly within medical. Your life on your now. I honestly believe that anabolic steroids when used at physiologic levels are safer than Tylenol. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, are far less toxic, and frankly, far less likely to lead into morbidity. And so similarly, maybe you'll leave this discussion thinking, okay, maybe it's not statins are all bad. Maybe is they got have a time in a overal over arching thing. I've learned from making this movie about nutrition that Mark, and I are working on right now is that nothing is all good and nothing is all bad and Mark has been really ill astray to me half. As we go through. He goes carbs are all bad, right? See they're all bad. It's like well. No now, I can see how you can use as a tool. Right. And then statins are all bad. No, no now, it can see how we can use as a tool, and we can keep people alive longer and certain people you might need this tool only for a couple of weeks to get to this point. And then you can get off of it or whatever like it's allowed me to think more openly about everything that we put. In our bodies and everything that we do to try to be better. Yeah. When we were in hailing food before this and you shared your salmon with me, which was fantastic, by the way, especially with that Himalayan sea salt that was damn good. I n take credit for all the way to the Himalayas for that. Yeah. The wife he cooked that up too. So, but that was a great example of I mean, again, I know you're in the midst of bodybuilding competition, but it was beautiful to see how regiment it's like, I'm going to have this many grams of salmon, I'm going to have this many Japanese sweet potatoes. And it's like, you know, what in this moment. These molecules are the tool I need. And I think that's the takeaway to me is a Staten carbohydrate, whatever it's a tool and the key to me, if you wanna be a great carpenter in life, which I think is should be are all of us should want to be the best carpenters in life is have the most tools know, how to use each tool and know when to use each tool, and when I have patients say to me doctor I am morally against fill in the blank. I am morally against statins. I am. Morally against supplements. I am morally against XYZ. I say okay on ever force you or try to talk you into doing anything. But that's sort of like a contractor coming to my house to rebuild it. And me saying I just don't want you using the Philips screwdriver or the saw you can do anything else. But don't use those two that's strike. Can he still build the house, of course? But I've just taken away tools and harder in the hands of good carpenter that that you know, that seems like a bad idea. So you guys have opened my mind up to a set of tools known as steroids and NAR minds up. Well, there well open your mind guys where so tell me when when's the dock gonna come out? So we don't know. I mean, the one question I should say a lot of people ask us Wednesday gonna come out. And they also asked us like exactly what it's going to be bow or what China say, I tell you. I don't know either answer at all I have no idea. So every film that I do is journey. I never know when it's going to. End a makes a lot of people at work with me mad and disabled. They that's how I do it. Like, if you go, okay, we're gonna make this movie. We're gonna film for six months, and we're gonna edit for three months, and then we're done, and you you can do that that saiga awaited to do it. But I feel that for example, Mark. And I started this movie he had no idea it was going to bodybuilding show. So that's got to be in the movie. That's awesome. That's like a really cool thing that's actually happening. So what if I just decided like in the beginning of the movie when we first started filming I decided, I only wanted film, this, then we wouldn't have this whole bodybuilding thing which could end up being what adds a layer to it that makes it connect all the dots. Hobie totally makes more new or whatever. Right. So we don't really know. But I would say that in general were planning on it just coming out next year because we're not worried about it for this year. And we're just plan on making the best thing that we can. And so we like to encourage everybody like people, send me a lot of information. People. Give me a lot of tips, and I'm open all I listen. I listen and read out all my comments and everything because I'm open to whatever's gonna make the best film. I'm not trying to set out to make one specific thing. So between when this comes out. And when this film comes out, what is the best way for people to reach you, Chris they can just find me on Instagram at big strong fast. It's kind the one thing that I check all the time. So okay. And what about you Mark Twitter to you can't get hold of me as I'm too much shit to do. But one thing I want to encourage everybody to do is really simple because nobody ever knows where to start, and we don't get a lot of answers because people that are smart don't give you definitive answers. Because that's just the way it goes. Just try to start walking, you know, almost all of us are lucky enough to have the ability to put one foot in front of the other try to go for a ten minute. Walk every day talk to your your son. Your daughter your mom, your dad, if they live close by or if you get a second with them dude after launch dude after dinner. Preferably. It'd be great. If you can do it more than once once a day, but it's just a great place to start great way to clear your mind. There's a lot of shit going on nowadays. If you have an hour and a half, or whatever it might be to be on Instagram all day, you certainly can carve out ten minutes for yourself every day to go on a walk really really simple easy thing to do. And because people aren't gonna be able to reach out to you directly. They wanna be able to take advantage of the amazing stuff. You've already done. What's your YouTube channel e ads the YouTube channels super training six you can also check out my Instagram, which is at Mark smelly bell? And you can also check out my website, which has all my products of slingshot, hip circle. Some of the stuff you've seen which is Mark Bell slingshot dot com. I also have my own pod. Well, one thing that we had we haven't talked about. But it will leave it up to people to go watch. It is my new film aletha faith, which is about crate him. That's right. We didn't really get to it. But I'll explain it really quick. Crate him is a plant that comes from southeast Asia that a lot of people are using to get off Volpi Lloyd's. And they're also using it just to feel better. Like for me every day. I use it as a pre workout just makes me feel great before getting the gym. I've gotten a lot stronger because of it I've gotten in better shape because I can focus better. So Lisa faith is available on itunes it available on Google play a YouTube and Amazon on Netflix rent. It's on Netflix on August, twenty seventh. And when it comes out, August twenty seventh. I think that's going to be sort of the real launching point for it. Because with all my movies, I put him on itunes, and they go out when it gets a Netflix. That's when people start talking about it. So because I say into he, and I have created a product together was we believe in him. So much. It's helped us so much helped us manage pain helped us to continue on our diets even sometimes in life. You just need something else to do you. Need your mind to be a little bit distracted from your day to day grind? And it's a great product. It gives you some euphoria. It's helped me with creativity and business and stuff like that. And the products could be called mind bullet and you'll be able to get mine bullet dot com. All right. So we're going to link in the show notes to where people can find you Chris unsocial where they can see all the stuff you've put out. I'm actually really excited to hear. I didn't even realize embarrassed to say that you had this to John with all of these videos because I'm always looking for ways if I can't plug one of my patients into a trainer that I trust them the correct mechanics. I actually don't want them to just learn to squad on their own kind of want them to be able to see how it's done. This'll be a great reference as somebody is contributed content to Mark's YouTube page, I can say that he puts in more effort and time than a lot of people that I see that are putting out videos. They put out almost. As a video day. I. Crank breakneck speed till I it's like a movie studio over there. So he's constantly cranking stuff out. And it always features like all these people from the fitness industry that people love the sea. He's always got great information. So I commend him. As a filmmaker. I'm giving my brother props for having a great now, we've spend probably over quarter million dollars a year just on our YouTube channels just to get information out there over there. It promotes the brand promotes the product. But it it's I really love trying to get that information out there to arm people give people, you know, give people information that they need anybody. Listen as podcast every wants to come check out super training gym super training. Gym is free. I can't guarantee that I'm there. But if you wanna look up that Instagram at super training gym as well hit up whoever answers to questions on there. And they will let you know if and when I'm around, and and when you can come in, but the gym three in and of itself that is just an unbelievable service guys. I wanna thank you both not just for your generosity and time today. But obviously, more importantly. For all the work. You guys have been doing over the past decade, plus to share what you've learned with not just me some personally grateful for that. But obviously by extension many more people. So we'll we'll only grateful as well where huge fans right back at you. And I love your podcast. So I'm I'm excited beyond envy. 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EP. 332 - Paige Mills

Mark Bell's Power Project

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EP. 332 - Paige Mills

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Everybody asked me if that's me and I'm like I'm vain. I'm not that vain myself teddy. On my own. Okay Wow Who is it generated image? Apparently just random just woke up one day. This is what happened. Isn't it anywhere else? I got like a real. What going on my back like a dream catcher? So you sound like a dope but it's that wipe your shit and then my first one. Is this one on my finger on anchor anchor. I just gotTa crew shipping had like ten hours to bend before my flat so I got really drunk and a group of people just like little get matching tattoos. Nobody else got tattoos. You're the only one got band. Aids still screwed store. I think Andrew also has one on his finger to case Oh so cheese in Spanish because target for say cheese did a good job with our workout today. Thanki you Worked me hard? Yeah doing squats and doing some good mornings. And then we finished up with some oxen. Yeah it was fun. It was cool. Man was something different you. Have you done like chain squats and things like that before? No I haven't I feel like I've done lots of variations but I haven't done anything with chains. I think James. A little awkward like I haven't seen those Canvas straps you have with the day rings on them It's like a little awkward to setup. Squats where train a get into lifting? I wanted to look good naked. I guess and I think also previously had like Laboring jobs and then when I went to studying and being UNEO was sitting down all the time and I had like energy to ban the end of the day I wanted to move and say lifting weights but actually tried prostate. I and hated it and I hated the running and I really just felt like if I wanted to be a fit person who was like healthy in shape. I had to do some sort of running. A lot of people. Don't show up on those days crossing get wind like they're going to be running they don't go. Yeah and so. They stopped publishing like if it's primarily running would they were published on the Internet. It's like I know what you do and I'm not coming up. It's not up there. So what was your job before? That was super active. I was like a builder's labourer off a sometime and like just let's have like laboring trade kind of jobs. I was doing like a head of business when I was a kid. Doing maintenance on farms and things like that. Yeah like I should. Yeah Two people working when those eleven which is wild. But I'll speaking I which might be where my pew obsession came from touch on later on but yeah I was doing that. And then it sort of switch to like farmwork and like building work And I've got like all the licenses in the world for lack earthmoving equipment and trucks and they got like eleven licenses or something. It's my little flex. Did your parents like what did they do? Did they encourage you into the? What was the deal? They're kind of my dad has Like one machine in a truck and he. That's he's job but I don't know I just always like massive tomboy and locked heavy machinery. I just thought it was bad off but I think it's kind of like the same like the type of training that I've chosen these very male dominated way of training. You Know Training Justin. I like you know. Heavy deadly and Not so much. A beautiful cat scale. Is that where your love for? Motorcycles came from too because he was kind of like into some of these machines. Yeah maybe actually. I hadn't really thought about it. I did have a little dirt bike on Al like hobby as a kid I read it around a little easier for transport to get to work in everything But I think it was more like I remember when I was a kid saying like when I'm older I want to block just so I can like sixty letters like they look sexy now. I haven't heard of black and I never will let us is where those anyway. Yeah that's right yeah indoor. Yeah so when you started lifting tell us about you said you started across it and I guess what was the journey in powerlifting. How did you find yourself there? So there was like a gap like I kind of gave up all across. Maybe I'm just not supposed to be a fit passing or a strong person and whatever and then I was chatting with someone who was like an expert Buddha and they said well why don't you just don't do the running pop. What do you mean what's left in the alike? Why don't you justly flights like all wildlife? I'll give it a crack so I just went on like online and just Google butting workout and Fully the same program for so long but I saw some gains like Irish did force at twelve of everything so I thought that's all anyone did. So that's like a really big Besa of strength to be doing for such files escorting like two or three times a week for trial and this is when you started with that Lake when you started doing that stop yeah volume a great way to start though like you. Just don't know any better and you're just like Oh. I think you're just supposed to be the sore the way it is and your body body will adapt to it. Get used to it. You know when we did the Today we did the lift through it. stuff with the commercial that we shot I really love the stuff that you shared with us Kind of along those lines of you know developing some body image issues and stuff like that and when you were starting out when you're first lifting did you have any of that or did that developed later on No I think it developed later on I think as soon as I started lifting weights I walked into the gym like wanting to lose weight and wanting to look better and as soon as I started like Osuna had my first pump. I was like I want to be jacked as far like I WANNA BE. I would rather be shockingly big than attractively turned like I would rather people we let law. It's a bit much and sorry. That was just the goal straightaway. Just wants to be huge. Basically it's hard to get big. Yeah I look at been trying for a long time and time even like eat enough. I sent Andrew Video this morning of you. Know it's just like a these jacked frigging bodybuilder shoveling down tons and tons of food. Yeah all day long. And they're like halfway gagging on the food. It's just one guy after another saying man. It's so simple. You just have to eat big you know if you WANNA be big and it is that simple but man is it. It's challenging just as just as it's challenging to eat a lot less ashby thin or to lean. Yeah no I agree absolutely and I think too. I've I've I think I started off as an eagerly Donald maxing out of time and then I became a little bit more sensible in that sense and now like I would never have program ever you know And I would never like attempt a number that I am. I think maybe I can hit. I would make sure that my program he's always like knock and now these numbers And I think nutrition's taking me longer to head in and I've been doing lack McDonald's every day for Mahato lifelike. I'm not exaggerating. Yes okay if I'm cutting it pretty hot deficit. I'll still have McDonald's once a day. It'll be like just six nuggets or just a small fries and the rest will be clean. And so it's just like slowly going from like old junk food to like having a little bit in there to keep sane to stick to divert here it's basically But I think now I'm saying that like you know my gains of slowing down at beginning gains anymore And hypertrophied getting hotter and hotter. And I think he's just because I just eat enough protein man like as much praise. Hanes so I find that I'm finally. It's taking time but I'm finally putting my head in and actually trying to nail nutrition a little bit more. It's hard to eat meat after French fries. Yeah it's just not that appetizing. When you have those different flavors yeah. I agree absolutely eat more though more of the fries with Hamburgers. You which is awesome. I don't know if I missed it. But like what? What were the body image issues that she did have when you like? Yeah when you started lifting you said he developed that after you start lifting Say No so. I had anorexia in two thousand and fourteen. I was quite unwell and it happened really quick really quick and sometimes a little bit hesitant to talk about it In not because of the personal really happy to share it but just because sometimes I feel lack It it affects anymore at all. I don't feel like I have a single disorder thought in many many many years and I feel like people come in on my thing saying things like. Oh look at these go. She's so strong and she's overcome all these to do this and to me. It doesn't feel like there's a link I don't feel I deserve extra props because I used to be on well because I'm not on my own now. I find that really interesting. That's actually kind of cool. Though I agree with you you know like sometimes somebody Oh overcomes like a drug addiction. You're like Oh that is great that they did that but they fucked themselves over and got themselves into that spot not to be Not to be like not compassionate towards that but I I agree and so like Yeah You. You don't feel like you deserve anything extra special because you had a disorder that you fell into yes absolutely but if it was affecting me everyday if every day. I looked in the mirror and I was like I just WanNa be skinny but I'm fighting it to get big and strong and whatever. Then that's Great. That's like request strengthen my behalf but that's not how. I feel I don't every day wishing you Kinda don't like guessing you don't want it to define you. You don't want everyone somebody thinks of you. They think about that. Yes exactly yeah I am. A flatbed is really great movement about women in Sport where I'm from and Had TV ADS and stuff. And I thought it'd be cool to talk about women in Sport and to be. There was no undoing strength staff. There was lots of athletics and everyone had a SOB story. And when I contacted them about it they will come and tell you story and I was like legit sob story. They didn't use words coming right which is great and it has value. Didn't want that to be the only reason that I'm worthy of being. I like what I'm doing. What I'm doing is cool. You know I think I'm strong for anyone. Not just someone who used to be unwell strong for a girl. That's it when you started lifting. You said he wants to be like the most jacked just So we're you trading partners like did you have a lot of female trading partners a lot of guys how's that now. It's pretty much all my life really. Yeah and I didn't really know that like the way that was training with sorry male dominated like my favorite exercise was chest fly. Do you think I can get my female athletes to be doing like training chest? They hate it And like yeah. I always used cable kickbacks as an example like I would never do that because I didn't like I don't understand the big Trenton and wanted to have it. Be Thirty is going to be able to do cool. Shit girls. Don't even know much about getting a pump now. A lot of them don't just because they're they're training for different reasons or training for powerlifting. And when you don't have a lot of muscle you don't know how that feels to have your arms or your quads chats like in excruciating pain because there's so much like blood volume running through there and so i. I think that's cool. That that was a goal of yours is to work your way towards. I think everyone should work their way towards. I think they would help with Sports performance I think it would help In terms of like bodybuilding learning how to contract and learning how to flex. You know you're left bicep and learning how to you know flex your left hamstring and I. It has pays huge dividends in being able to control your body and learn how you're supposed to flex. Yeah Yeah and you said you can apply that to so many things. You can apply that to boxing which we did a bit of today and you know it's coordination as well And it takes time like I remember. It was like one muscle group at a time that I sort of Accumulated the skill set to be able to contract. I remembered like the bus was like the boss. That's very easy to contract. And then I remembered like my hamstrings was sarhadi redoubts. Sorry hot and it was like years before I was like. Nah I'm nailing my dealt only now you know so. How did you like how I guess looking at the process? What is it that you did to focus on that? When you're like working out were you like I don't know you don't you? Did you develop? I guess what I'm trying to say is posturing issues with your ear. Dell's or something you're like. I gotta work on these more like. What did that work out? I think at first I was doing exercises not knowing which muscles I was really using. That's actually that's huge. That's huge to that a little bit more. Yeah well I feel like I probably was doing readopt flaws. Not Knowing anatomically what a result was But on the other hand like and this isn't a very good advertisement folk coaching. We hopeful. But I think that I really example I like to use these lap pool down. I know now that I was doing it wrong. I know that my shows were protracted and it was like showed a high. I'm doing it wrong. Looks Perfect but my back. What strong pulling and pushing pushing myself. It was hard an Ati was high and I was pulling white towards me. My background stronger Nina. And I think that's an example something where you're probably not going to really yourself as yourself. Optimal actually also along with that. Did you notice when lifting? You said you were trying to like lift heavy all the time did you lighten up loads and feel certain groups better or did you just consider the having lifting. Sabbath I think heavy lifting. I think I was accidentally applying progressive Lord Sets of twelve dumbbell Presses and then I'd be like these too easy now I'm able to do fifteen. I'm going to do fifteen. And then when they were too easy I put the white and gray back to twelve. I didn't even know what the term progressive overload well but I was using it. You know it's awesome. How would somebody know that they have an issue with themselves like it? Seems like you don't have an issue with yourself at the moment But everyone's got like some issues with themselves How it somebody like identify the problem. Does it need to be called to their attention by somebody else or can you kind of like self actualize it? Can you identify like man? Like I'm I'm really not eating. I'm not doing you know how how how it somebody makes sense of it if they're in that predicament. I think like I think it is SORTA and just being down about yourself a two very separate things but I think that I think you know you have like a self confidence issue if you can look at your floors and it changes your mood. I think that like I look in the mirror and I see cellulite and I go. Ooh And then I go home. My Diet doesn't bother me. It doesn't affect the rest of my day or interactions But I think that's what's getting down and maybe changing behaviors. Maybe you'll having restrict behaviors or whatever Definitely but I think in terms of actually having aiding disorder. I haven't heard anyone who was not in denial at the start. Everyone's in denial and people telling you seek seek seek and you're like no I wanNA look better and it's working and I looked right and I'm gonNA keep looking better and better and yeah. I think annual like proud of yourself Like the discipline aspect of running. I was running six as a day. And you know good for me like Oh. I love. Mcdonald's and I haven't eaten for two weeks lie. Bihar very hard identify. Because you know who's telling me that like a lot of other people. I'm sure there's people that care about you and people love you. But it's also people that maybe don't have discipline with their nutrition. Maybe they're not that in the exercise and so you're like you just don't understand because I love to exercise and I love to eat this way so I am making myself look better. And you're just being jelly. Yeah absolutely and I think now. It's really hot. It's taking my parents. I've been Palestine competitively for around two years and it's taking my parents oldest time to recognize that like when I caught wait even if it's aggressively the mindset. He's okay like all admit that I've crashed died and to make white and that I have been unhealthy in the ways that I've made for competitions and I've lived and I've learned from those but I can see them get anxious like you know if I have veins like I'm lean you know really lane when I'm competing and I can say my parents like. Oh man here we go again But Yeah I just reassure them. That lack it's part of my sports what I do. It makes me more competitive. And they see me. Put The white back on afterwards in like a Like a safe controlled way. I'm very in control. I feel like within the keillor. I'm in control of my white all the time. Now what did what did bring this control for you like. How did you get to that point? Where like you've you overcame and it's nothing anymore. I think like giving up on trying to control it. Put Me Back in control because I feel like I was sorry like restrict Sarhadi and then if I fail. I'm sorry down on myself at risk totta and I feel like you guys might laugh at this but when I started powerlifting charged that's what I wanted to pursue instead of bodybuilding. Feel like in terms of nutrition. I was just throwing in the towel and I was lack. Just never be lane strong. Say so you were doing you. Were doing bodybuilding focused. I guess for sport before the powerlifting basically I I was just trying to get big because I wanted to be your Zeke focus. Yes I was and then I was like now. I want to compete in. Something should choose what he shirt. Or should I choose a pelleting energize piloting mate? Because I thought I couldn't diet but then as soon as the packaging main I looked up. The numbers of people in Australia was like man if I have to wake Kloss nationals and just heard of this sport it was wild so for the first I tried to lose weight. My whole life never six stated except for when? I actually had anorexia and then for the first time in my life I just dropped like six or eight weeks because I was so desperate to succeed at Powell if being the Nile. My Diet for the first time ever and nowadays when you have an issue you're like oh. I got extra love or satellite. Or what's the dialogue? Now is it more like I don't want to go through what's necessary to get rid of it so I don't really care about it that much. I'm just GONNA KINDA LAUGH IT OFF. I. I'm happy with the way I'm eating and I'm happy with my health and I'm happy with my performance in the gym is kind of more that mindset. Yeah I think so. I think it's like a priority thing like it'd be great to be a ten and to be super hot and whatever but lack I'm looking to be remembered for that and I think too. I think I have excellent self confidence that have things going for me and I think that if I look in the mirror and I say I'm like yeah but I have X Y and Z. Going for me and they're probably more important than the way that I look. You know I think What kind of what you just mentioned there in terms of powerlifting versus bodybuilding is so important for people. I guess listen to especially if they might be going through. Something like that because I work with bodybuilders and worked with bodybuilders. Who Like after show? They can't let go of being lean to an unhealthy point especially like yeah even physique guys Bikini Girls. They can't let it go and when you try to get them to eat more and gain some body fat so they can get healthy. They start mentally. Start thinking they're fat and that's why they do show after show after show so that they can maintain that leanness but then they give themselves a reason to stay lead by continue compete. Even though it's so unhealthy yeah you know but I think to When I rebounding from Anorexia and put the white back on because it was my best interest to do star. I worry that people would look at me as like I failed like did really well to lose the way and now I've slipped up and I can't maintain it and I'm failing and I'm putting on white and I think being around athletes soy much Who understand that. That's not the case. When you on weight after a mate or bodybuilding show even That's made me feel really good about myself. I'll take my shirt off to training the gym. And I'm not sucking my God. I would`ve. I was at the pool when I was sixteen. I'm in data. Try and be an athlete and I know the people around me understand that that look at me like she's let Herself Guy. It's like okay. She's a little while APP from me and people will say that to me and it's not offensive to say like. Oh you look strong. And they mean like heavy in competing for a while. And that's the great thing about like powerlifting or strongman or any of these sports because like everything you're doing is to be strong you know you're not trying to get in for getting lean sake like you're trying to do it so you can be strong at that weight. So it's it's your focused on your body or the way you're looking you're focused on athletically your performance in your body's going to reflect it it's healthier. Yeah sure but I'll be the first to admit that like I duNNo. I worry the people think this is vain But I'm a fitness model. It's my job and a salary for doing sorry and sorry. It's my job to like be somewhat aesthetically pleasing and I'm the first to admit that if it wasn't my job I probably would have gone up a white cloth by now. And it's inhibiting my turtle he's trying to stay lean and or at least being lean once a year But it's my job and I love my job so it's a sacrifice that I'm making so I I think I'm definitely Sacrificing SYMPATHETIC PERFORMANCE FOR AESTHETICS. For the sake of my business and energy for living. Did you get diagnosed with Anorexia to go to a doctor or something like that? Yeah definitely definitely and I didn't think I didn't think I would fit the criteria because like I mean denial. You know someone forced you to go. Nari it was. It was like coming out as gay. I invited to my family. My parents split up and they get along really well and I invited my whole family. My siblings they partners everything for deny like my sister's house so it was like mutual ground and I was like Yo what I've started treatment. I've been blaming my whole life. And now I have an erect CR and they were just kind of like all right. What are these things never heard of those things and yeah I? I actually don't know I don't remember what made me gay or at Shit. I'm going to get treatment. I know that like I There was an acute hospitalization when I collapsed at my mom's house and that led us to the emergency room but I think I was already getting treatment like once a week seeing a therapist then Which I found somewhat helpful but yeah it's hard to guard because you'll like I'm going to go here in this person's going to tell me I ate more and gained weight. And you're like I know that that's the wants me to do. I need to be told that you know. How did your family take it when you told them My parents were a little bit upset because I told them that. So I'd had my whole life but it was very manageable like it wasn't taking over my life I wasn't even really binging and purging eight. Something feel bad about it and vomited up and the crazy thing is that. I genuinely thought everyone did that. I thought it was like shooting yourself will vote on it. We just don't talk about it. No one's to hear about it. Vomiting is gross. So I really thought everyone did it and then one day. I remember telling a friend at school. Like I'm probably is often. She was like wash. Oh nothing and so. I think they were really upset. That they hadn't seen the signs that they hadn't noticed. But it Iki like sorry sneaky. Doing sit ups in my room and the dock was getting up at like four. Am running the dock. And when I was like eleven yea but these were like I'm making sound entities as well like a few little things. Maybe like one symptom at a time for many many years. Was there anything like when you're a kid you think like Oh that maybe that major that mindset. Yeah was there anything at all or I don't think so like even when I went to therapy they said. Would you be interested in having your mom coming kept talking about how? I felt guilty about so guilty for having because my mom just blamed herself. I think parents do And they just think it's all they felt so did they brought my mom in and get me wrong. There's no right or wrong white parents but they have like you have ticked all the boxes so we ate really healthy all the time and then once a week we'd have like a McDonald's not we'd have some snacks which movies as a family and lack Maybe like special occasions like birthdays had cake. You have one to cake and you had one soft drink enough Edina and the rest. Oh sorry when Aberdeen and then the rest was water. And I remember one day. I was putting butter on my chest and my dad said and don't judge my dad. He's just a man he just doesn't know much about women. I was putting hates butter on. My Dad said well. We'll we'll hold out like you know that's really fattening. And my mom said. Don't tell her that you should tell her that it's bad for your heart not that it's GonNa make her fat. That's what she should be worried about. Like wasn't intelligent thing for my mom. He's not in the fitness industry. You know and even like it was like ten. This is ten years ago before we were really aware of the body image issues so much and whatever I feel like they did all the right things but my therapists really described it as like getting brain cancer like there are some genetic factors that can happen and there are some like Traumas it can happen in your life that can contribute to be just fucking get it. It's just bad luck man and that's what I feel lack. Miss this have you ever. Have you ever worked with clients that have issues like that? yes a Nari mostly. I don't think anyone comes to try and get strong Walter on well. I think that they When they recovering they do But yes absolutely people who've recovered and some have nine about my healthy stream some haven't And I have speculated that my clients are experiencing such thing and I've had to write our out for it and I've kind of nine like what questions to ask. That aren't so directs confronting having someone telling you that they they think that you have an eating disorder now with that being said because actually actually how to work with somebody like that before. How would you suggest a coach do that? If they see these warning signs right of these see these happening with the client How do you think they should approach that? Should they even work with that individual or like? How should they try and help this person? Yeah Yeah I think keeping them safe in the gym is the first thing that they're like that unwell that the risk of fainting or whatever we just happened to me and workouts. I think that you just need to keep the The intensity lar- telling them you know feet to try and you need to go. Away is not a good way to isolate someone who is on well But in nursing if a child is if you spend a child's being if you use something wrong there you have mandatory reporting law where you have to tell the parents I honestly think that even though it may be a little bit of a breach of confidentiality with your client. I think that if you have access to someone that they know like a parent or a partner or something I think flagging it with them is the best way because the more people who are aware of it and monitoring it I think the better. Okay how so? Even though I guess that actually falls either even if they're an adult like yeah yeah but if I think if my pt had told me. I think you have an eating disorder out of the hell out of there and not come back because at soy threatening. Um You WANNA be under the right. I don't want anyone to notice that's interesting. You said you haven't had a lot of people come to you To get stronger. When they'RE UNWELL. I think misconception about fitness and misconception huge misconception with weight loss and general is that you're going to lose weight and be healthier and that's the worst. That's not a good place to start. You know you need to be healthy. In order to lose weight need to get your body like the momentum going in the right direction and so that's why we see a lot of people that have kept the weight off. They'll say the simplest thing you say. Well we're just starting they'll be like. I started walking. Yeah or you know I. Yeah I I got rid of. Got Rid of Soda you know these kind of small little things. And then they created a architecture. That was actually strong enough to to build something off of India. Have something be Sustainable and repetitive. And when you when you try to look at it from a perspective of I'm GonNa lose weight and be healthy. I think a better perspective is. I'm just going to eat to be healthy. And then from there I will worry about losing weight smother time. Yeah kind of like what you did with attaching yourself to strength. I'M GONNA attach myself to performance and I'm going to worry about the body kind of second secondary but your body just got better anyway. Yeah as a result of focusing in on being stronger. Yeah Yeah I agree and I've had like Some of my clients are also personal trainers. And they've said to me like. I want to start strength training because I feel like if you just if training and you're working hard everything else just falls into place and I really agree with that like if you have a really hard workout like. I don't really feel like being on disgusting food. I feel like an athlete and I feel like I wanNA feel myself. Such maybe some disgust around a little. Yeah by the way so the McDonald's every day thing is that like a little ritual you have yourself. I got no problem with the by the way just like tell us about that. Yeah I I feel like I was always ashamed of what I ate and he wanted people to know you like. I thought that made me wake that. I couldn't resist that feared. Oh whatever I think now like I say is like I enjoy it Some people might go out and get wasted on the weekends. And they know it's not good for the body but they just enjoy it and they want to do it and say they're an adult they can do what they want Maybe some people like us Padraig CDs or whatever and they know that it's like cutting down there life expectancy And I sort of feel that way a bit but I will admit that I'm a little bit hesitant to like change my die Urban II. Because last time I did that and so you know so I feel like if I I. It's slowly becoming eradicated from my diet. So just maturity thing. Because I'm getting older. And that's a bummer. So in comparison you had an out for the first time today. What did you think? Wow loved it. Yeah it was great out of ten compared to like other burger places. You've been to look to be fair. Was called code so it's hard to judge the fries but I think the fries were like a six ten in big. It was probably a nine. I think American food is like a strategy and food. But we'd like ten times as much fat sugar salt America like. Yes but you're getting there though right and Australia with what sorry guys are getting there. In terms of like people being fatter in just the more grotesque an abundance of food right. Yeah I think so. I don't understand it because why. Why is the health industry booming at the same time as our obesity epidemic? While because they both need each other Right that's true but I feel like it's very trendy to fit healthy and like people on healthy and confused them and you'll have a huge market of fitness. But like from what I've seen and we've we've talked about a lot of what we think of what we see about Australian. The it seems like everyone is just like healthy over there. That's what it seems like. Am I wrong Ath- race because no no no okay? I'm on attacked dripping from like because like whenever I see. You're right you just think. Australia's this place with everyone has six packs. They're tall or mater and stuff. Yeah they search. Yeah Yeah but I think that the only people and the people that get publicity hot people normally say ugly people say how many ugly follow on Instagram. You know and I think it's a safe. We say that about me. I don't it's the same. We'd like the team that two people say like. Oh I'm not going there. Everyone's so strong strong strong people have followings and you see them. You don't say bory who's a lawyer who comes in and does a few kills and goes harm like and. I think it's I think that might be what you're referring to you. How about a gym owner Jim? I think you started Gymkhana. Young to are not really I just not. That long ago stopped studio. Sorry I've got like calibrated plates and like Palestine gear in there and it's actually a shipping container that I've converted completely Londe and it's like various static boutique kind of space. So it's pretty cool. Yeah personal train out of there like I mean like ten hours a week. I don't WanNa do much more than that. And then I rinse it out to other personal trainers when I'm not there and it was. I feeling contented but I'm lonely there. I WANNA go train my friends. And how long have you had that place for twelve months? Yeah about twelve months. Yeah but I love it. It's acute that's awesome. How about competitions? Because like you said. He started competing two years ago. So when you're on your lifting journey I guess what encouraged you to be like. I want to compete in this too. I think I was like lacking peppis like I was like cool and going to the gym. I'm seeing results but like for what black. And how do I measure these results and Yeah I just I heard about powerlifting and I I think a lot of people. Would you guys agree? Get into powerlifting because they start going to the gym because I want to look that up and they accidentally get strong and like share that off on a platform right and I think that was the case of a lack. I escorted one hundred dollars and I was like. Oh Damn home. I want more weight when he did that. To probably that sixty five kilos maybe this is like outlets high. Bah Like Yeah. I would have been pretty ugly. I'm show did you kind of check out the competition to see where you rank. That's a lot of people will kind of poke around and see like am. I GonNa be totally embarrassed when I go lifting. Girls going to squat five hundred and fifty pounds and I'm GonNa Squad hundred kind of check out the competition before he entered in No not at all and the gym that I go through does have lots of really strong women in it so I went there and I was like. I'm not that strong like some work to do. These really strong. And then I went to the novus competition and I went straight from like a twelve hour night shift and went there and I was like dying and I think I beat all of the women in all of the classes and five of the men and I was like. Oh Damn maybe maybe. I'm strong so that was like my first mate and then I think like I'm estimating timeframes he then about six months later I was at nationals and I came fourth at nationals. In a white cloth below happened really quick and I was like man. I'm going to be elite. Athletes like I'm fourth in the country and I just heard of this sport eight months ago like I'm going to be amazing. And then it's been like setback off the setback now. I'm just like another Palestine present it's Har- thing is really hard. You know it's It's it's not too bad to be good at powerlifting but it can be really brutal to try to be great at it to try to get the next level to to get to the the next thirty pounds that you might need on your total or something like that. That's where the injury start to kind of rack up and just not being patient. Yeah just takes. It takes so long. Yeah really And even if you're gifted at it you're going to be gifted on a couple of things and then you got three lifts to do and something's going to be Kinda shitty and it's just. It's just a tough sport. And then the commitment to the weight gain and things like that is is That makes it a lot harder to you. Know because it's like well I just kind of Chubb out and keep getting big keep lifted more weight but not everybody wants to do that. Either you know. Yeah Yeah no. I agree definitely and I think it's disheartening. When you have the beginning gains stop and then you have the beginning games and then you switch to like more efficient balloting movements. You Know You bring you bench group out and you start rejecting Scott and you would even an arch and everything And then you get a nice a nice boost from that. Yeah snatch grouping you deadliest. Everybody voted yes. My business instagram on facebook up on the screen with my little space cooling about parenting is. It's only one can spot so it's like a small space grass wall. That's a cool little backdrop. That's implants in their beautiful spot. Oh my gosh. The storage containers Australia's different than they are here. This has had a hell of a blow up but yeah so actually on the on the a note of setbacks what exactly happens like what. I don't WanNa boy because nothing warriors hearing about someone else's injuries but I had like a lower back injury just from squatting and my squats going backwards but my other leafs have been coming up in. Yeah it's it's not a big deal but yeah my squad shit at the moment. You're mentioning earlier that your dad may have not approached Certain things right way but your mom did maybe she offset some of that After going through the things that you've gone through what do you think would be a reasonable way for a parent to approach talking to a child and additionally What is what in. Your mind is wrong with just saying. Hey that's GonNa make you fat because being fat is very limiting. I think I think I think it puts you to disadvantage really. Does if you're like fifty pounds overweight and your ten it sucks but you're outta disadvantage of playing sports and just even being like the other kids and stuff. So what's your vantage point on that? It's really tricky. And I feel like it's A. It's a bit controversial. Some of their children's and talk about parenting techniques. But honestly like I have full empathy for people who Like may say the wrong thing so to speak because like what is the right thing that you do want you to be a healthy way. But then where's the line between Telling them the fat and lowering the self confidence and But I think like I guess to maybe like encourage sports in an incredible in my experience encouraging performance was exciting. Maybe if you had a really overweight child and telling them like Oh you'd be better at the sport you probably enjoy it more. If like you know you need to be more and more healthier you know. That's a great way to do it. Because you know if you get if you get the kid to want to move which every kid by the way every kid and people people that are parents might not agree but from what I've seen with my own kids and kids who have been around me. Every kid wants to move every kid wants. I'll repeat myself a million times. Every kid wants to. They really do and they might get to an age where they don't. WanNa move anymore. You know that that might be the point where now gets to be hard to introduce a sport or introduce some form of exercise. But I like what you said there because if you're encouraging that and you're like hey you know this great that you're playing soccer and if the you know the team loses and stuff like that and you can kind of maybe Figure out a way to have some conversation. Hey this is what the best soccer player I know you. I know you really like soccer. This is kind of more along the lines way that some of these best soccer players eat where you need your protein to build muscle. So you're stronger when you're playing soccer see you don't run on breath whatever dialogue you can have that. I guess almost like avoiding Maybe negative talk. And it's just mainly all shifted towards positively. This is an option. And this is the route that you can go if you want to go that way and you don't even mention you know what what's the other direction you know. Yeah and that's actually. What have you heard of Cognitive behavioral therapy. Cbc It's like Therapy tactic method. Do I I need to. Maybe he can probably use it in aspects your life. But I've written assignments on it while it was at Union But it's very common with eating disorders and you don't tell someone. Hey you should lose weight because you have confidence and you're not gonna be healthy and whatever you like. Prompt the person to give the pros and cons and then that kind of If they're like about changing the behavior or whatever kind of encourage them encourages them to come up with the idea and to be like. Yeah I do want this. No one's telling me I want this. I just want this but I think like I feel like they're genuinely men. Maybe in the late thirties. Early forties at a pallet. Is that aesthetically or overweight? You know they've got like a lodge stomach or whatever and I feel like they really happy to just be that way and that's fine with them and but there are many maybe fourteen year old girls who are overweight who will lack. Just love the way that I look and I'm just completely happy to be so easy interest. I think to try and carries until at least the white. I think it's also I mean you said you like super active as a kid in terms of working at Cetera. Which you know when you got a sedentary job pushing lifting so. I feel like it's just necessary to get kids up. I mean it'll lead you in the right direction later on even thorny issues. Yeah and I think I wanted to like. I haven't read anything about like the science behind. I'm building a base. Strengthen your kid and how that contributes to you guys might have some input on that but when I was a kid I was just lifting heavy shit all the time like I had horses and I was just. I remember like the settles. I was like trying to carry my satellite have to put on my shoulder because I couldn't carry it in front of me and like you know and I wonder if they contributed to me being good at string sports. Oh you're working. Oh yeah no I noticed that too like with a lot of I. I can see the trend with people I work with that like start lifting in their twenties or whatever versus like kids. That just did stuff. Whether it's anything the people that start younger trenches like get stronger coordination thing too actually. Now that I said out loud have gals come to me who've never to white and I'm like I'm GonNa show you how to do you. Just do it just do it. We'd like to to give you a perfect deadly and I give him like two cues and they fixed things that are wrong and say what have you done? You've done something. What have you done? They'll be like gymnastics or I think. Boxing all right. You know and I'm like even leaving like you've been you've had spatial awareness and you've developed some coordination. Well we know you can be very healthy without really ever stepping foot in gym. Good eating habits me. No we got some decent sleep habits and You do other forms of exercises you like to hike or do some other things I mean. I think we've had some people on the podcast that refer to your health as like In regards to like sprint. Like if you go outside and now like a ninety percent sprint. Then you're probably pretty healthy but if you like blowing a tire you blow your calf or you're a hamstring or something like that just from doing sprint than you know. Maybe you're not gonNA SHAPE. And that's a great marker as you get to be you know. Fifty sixty seventy eighty ninety years old. If you can still you know have be able to do that. Kind of in the blink of an eye without much of a warm up or anything. Yeah definitely and I see it too in nursing homes when like an elderly person. We call it. I mean they start Charlene. We have what we call eighty which activities of daily living so it might it might be showering dressing making the bed. That sort of thing People who struggle with an open there have the strength to press themselves out of an Armchair. I wonder like if they were training. Triceps the whole life and doing dips forever. Would they be able to get out of that chair right up until they died for another five years or whatever nursing's giving me like another reason to especially like my parents? I'm like dad like let let Jimmy me because like one day. You're going to need the strength. You can't stop. You gotTA figure out we keep moving because one day you'll kind of be stuck there. Yeah and if you can figure out. It's it sucks because it's like the person doesn't really choose to want to be there. You know they don't choose to want to be Unhealthy but they kinda have at some point because Life has overwhelmed them at some point. The point where they really can't they just don't feel good anymore and if I'm like hey let's go for a jog and you you feel kind of sick. You're like I'm not going. You know and so kind of talking okay. You know what? I'll go on a walk with you. I can't run. You know what's a compromise? How can you get yourself or encourage yourself or encourage you know? Does someone else just two Freakin. And just try to figure out a way to keep moving. You know yeah I think like how do you create incentive for an adult like a little child what you can say lack abide his toy? You do that but I think just finding like find something. Everyone has something that they enjoy. It took me a long time to find it you know. I tried lots of exercise that I hated before I found powerlifting But I think everyone has something even if you're fifty five and you haven't found it yet. I'm sure it exists. I'm sure that everybody has like a physical activity that they can enjoy. But also like I think you need to have empathy towards people who don't want to do that I listened to a valedictory speech by Tim. Minchin who is an Australian comedian? He's very intelligent man. He's an educated man and he was talking about how you can't take full responsibility fuel success. Because I can't help that I get up every day and I feel like going to the gym. That's not because I'm superior to people who don't want to go to the gym. That's just like a DNA thing like I'm just born that way. I'm just born in person in the same way that I can't help. I don't want to eat a salad. That's not my fault. Lack a copy off about that because another person who does lack of salad. They didn't choose to. Lexell it and I don't beat myself up about not wanting to judge other people for not wanting to exercise because I I don't think I can take full credit for being motivated person. You know though. I do think that like I've seen a lot of people who in the past hated the gym. But when they managed to change their lifestyle they found things that they're good at boom it becomes something about them they. They're they're addicted to and they WANNA do that so I think it's possible for those who do hate it. They look you actually. You just mentioned it. Find something that they enjoy. Whether like the movements you enjoy in the gym liked doing. I don't know you don't like running or spreading across it but you love squat bench and deadlocked. Yeah right so it drives you towards that I guess. Yeah yeah definitely and it's the same like I would never go run But love playing Basketball Walk Occupy Back Tobacco Three Basketball Leagues all state. But I would love every second of it so that's what I should be doing. Did you play a lot about computers? That's something searching late. Yeah little this is wild but It doesn't say much about the Australian Public School System but I did a unit in high school basketball. We don't have studied units and sorry. We studied teams. And Yeah so now the fan and because of older people who are no longer in it like wait so pas and this class you just studied view personally studied the Denver Nuggets in their history and European ports enver nuggets player profiles and stuff and then twice a week ago. Possible for alive. What Years Denver Nuggets Pattern? Mike what years were you studying? I would have been in the ten. Which would have been sixteen ten years ago. Okay so then. Who are your favorites like Jay? Okay well do you. Okay so I okay. That's primarily me. Okay I was GONNA older names that you know. This is so interesting though like I am I the only one who's kind of mind blown about this that the US systems kind of lame anyways. We're actually no way behind. It gets worse. I did a unit called wheels who rollerblading BMX. And you got to choose which one and I chose rollerblades because this is in college now your high school high school yeah and so it does make some sense so so how. How many classes would you have that? Were kind of bullshit class. I think it would be twenty one fifty minute class and the Oh God I think and then to double sessions say lack pretty much to two thousand one one hour. I think how third four four hours per week or per day. Really sorry okay. Yeah Yeah but I learned how to drop it on a half popping rollerblade. Isn't that wild useless killed in Texas? But that's kind of cool though. I mean I think keeps School maybe more motivational in a way. Yeah options towards things that you like me. Not Unfortunately here in America they. They have pulled a lot of options like that out. You know where they don't have kids learning woodshop and metal shop and like a lot of you know it's I don't know why I don't know all the reasons for and I. I hate to complain about stuff that I don't know a lot about and I hate to complain about stuff I don't have good solutions to But it just it's odd. It's like what? Why would you pull some of that away? Like I know that you can't get rid of like math and English either but You know I it's just like it's kinda frustrating because you're like man like going to school seems like seems really difficult now. It seems like it's just way too boring to be able to do and today's Day and age when everyone's attention has dropped drastically even adults have like a seven second time span or something. I mean. That's that's pretty quick. You're not hitting the kids with something pretty cool in history class. And you're done. They're not going to pay attention to the whole thing. Yeah definitely I think they've pulled P a little bit too Jeez he came back to your next class. Sorry fresh and like happy to sit down after. You've just been to the Skate. Park like rolling around for an hour. I think was good. How'd you get into a? I guess you are practicing nurse. So you're practicing nurse Ngoni. Jim Anti do online work. First off how did you get into the nursing and currently? How are you managing all of this right now? Oh okay thanks for asking cosmetic injectables. That's basically I just asked because I finished high school and I didn't know what I wanted to do and I could say people around doing nothing and I decided to. Just throw myself into anything. Sorry it was kind of just a responsible decision in terms of like okay. I'll always have a job as I can do. Part time. There's not many degree requiring jobs where you can do them part time and contrary in the country with which is at the time is what I thought. I wanted So I just kind of studied nursing they. It takes me and yeah. It's just kind of like a described as a hobby. It's something that I do for fun. I love doing it. I think because I don't have to. I think he falls full-time nurse. I would hate the job like punching the clock taking lunch when you told take lunch. I'm just not good at working for other people I haven't done a lot of it at all and but I think because like I want to be there and I love it. I really like going there. And it's the only time of the week that I have like a really intelligent compensation. We people smarter than me. I'm talking to doctors who I mean oral of and I think that's really stimulating intellectually. Which is important. He he likes. Stay at home. Moms talk about going to work to have like adult conversations and stop leaking. Things is cool but lack loading plates lines all day until Bob out by mechanics and stuff gets a little bit monotonous when you have a lot of these conversations with these doctors or other nurses do you. Is there a trend of like a I guess a lack of nutritional intervention or using physical exercise interventions for issues for patients for patients versus or? Is that not really yet? Look we have to? I T shirts and things but this is under which he would give a. Dietitian referral would be like extreme weight loss in like an elderly person. Or you know it's not really fully high blood pressure all these things that eventually are huge issues. But the non-urgent the Mormons say he I think could be improved in that sense but it really stands me hell Like talking to a doctor the other day and choosing neuroscience and. She's smart and she was saying she was eating salad and she said Yeah. I'm cutting CARBS and I said why why do never she's like. Because I want to lose weight and I was like yeah that that works like Why do you think cutting cavities? Why the makes you lose weight? And she's like cosmic fat. They fattening and I was like Kay by but also made me realize that we're in these industry where people know about nutrition and training and in common sense to us it. Cops don't make you fat calories plus makes you fat but not everyone knows that like you can be really smart and still not Nari about these things and I really love the way that like all the nurses come to. How do I lose like the weight around my midsection and explained them that like? He can't spot reduce fat and like a calorie deficit. And whatever and some sometimes. They'll download my fitness pal and they firing and show them how to use it and stuff and I really lock helping those people who don't have the confidence to come to a gym and pay for service especially like I know a lot of nurses and honestly their lifestyle is it Kinda. It's tough especially the full time. Nurses I right because like they work these weird hours and apparently like a lot of them smoke. Oddly enough really lot of nurses. I know it's like and they even say a lot of our CO worker smokes like they help all these people but their own lifestyle is like kind of in shambles. I duNno is is. Is it similar over there or are nurses healthier there? I think I feel like they're pretty healthy. To be honest. I really do like in my circle of friends. I know I'm liking the gym world and whatever but I feel like if I say young smoking. I'm like Tam like I didn't think that people my age did that. I thought it was out of Argh and even my dad says like when he was a kid it was cool to smoke. And I don't think it's cool to smart as lack even like that vulnerable seventeen eighteen year old age kind of thing but But no I feel like the nurses probably died probably better than mine to be honest price to be an athlete. Are you allowed to prescribe or suggest stuff to patients like Because you do know a lot about exercise and stuff too you may be someone's got like I don't know they have a bad back and you start explaining that getting to the gym or are you allowed to do stuff like that or I think I'm allowed but unfortunately I think time permits. Yeah I think I've got seventy patients and seventy toss to fill up In my head I've got a backlog of thirty tasks that need doing that. Our clinical and have an element of danger to the intensive drug prices and stuff. I find that I would have a little time to sit down and operating procedures that if you don't follow someone could get hurt. How time to sit there and talk to someone about their dead limps. Yeah that's right and I work in emergency which is like as an extremely What's the word like just a huge number of patients and we're just drowning every day like it's so hard to keep and there's so much pressure to like get people in get them well or them and get them out. Well now since you you know you have an online business. You have an in person training business. You're very well known within the industry. What is it that I guess continues to bring you back to that and is nursing something that you you think you WANNA maintain for the rest of your life or is there a point where you think you might just stop. I think that people always ask me like when you business takes off. You're going to leave nursing. I think it's the opposite. I think I desperately want to keep my nursing is becoming so hard to make time for that and so I really just WanNa do it forever But don't know I guess you never know is I. Don't know maybe hopefully one day my income will be such silly to go to nursing. It's still easy financially. Counter INTUITIVE IN TERMS OF Timeframe yeah But it's not so much that I'm like this is a complete waste of my time. What about if you could make a lateral movement to where you utilize a lot of the things you learned in nursing to consult with people you know to something like that well I'll spill veins but my next piece. This is pretty much doing right but yeah I'm looking at it cosmetic injectables clinic or I leave and sorry. I need to be a registered nurse for that and it's I think that it's kind of roundabout way become like me. You don't using. What a waste like a fulltime nasty when Tini for old as he is and what a waste and so. I think this is the way that I'm going to end up utilizing it. And what would this place look like? Something goes shedding a lease at the moment. Which has been pretty painful. But it's a two story building that I'm looking at and Yeah downstairs would be A handful of injecting nurses an upstairs would be Like beauty therapies to kind of bring some traffic into my waiting room in the hopes that gateway drug to getting injectables help people with exercise and stuff as well or not really not so much but I think my GM and Cape like Pay Group trainer on a weekend and then my clients can use that for free. They can bring their parents so they wanNA bring not say this. What I'd say I can inject you with all the shit that I have in here but if you continue to look that way you're still going to be a mess so far as you head up our gym downstairs. Right Cross. That might help a lot. Maybe you should start their elected. You know what? Let me ask you this. What are your thoughts on You know getting injections in the ASS and implants that like how how? What are your thoughts on that because I feel like getting like some Bo- talks? I don't know the specifics of like stuff in the lips and face I feel like that is very different from augmenting your body in those ways and obviously as a man. I have a very limited opinion on that right. I can't say who should do. What but what is your opinion on stuff? Like that I think that like Injectables reversible sorry. I agree that like a their aloha outer examples of injectable since we don't know anything over here Liberalism Berry talks are probably the most common anti wrinkle and lip Phyllis but people get like chic. Fil as well I get my messages. Which Joel Muscle? I get like a sheet lady. Bird Tuxedo jacket in there because lifting clench and it gives me this big old square jaw line But that's all I really get done that and occasionally hear Phyllis but my opinion is that lack So I have a friend who has faked fake boobs like so many injectables and everybody like beaches about it and says Oh my God. It's too much. It's too much. And she says I looked so fake and I love it. She just wants to Dolly. Parton really wants to look back and she thinks that looks fantastic and she's not hurting anyone by doing that. That's like a lot of people that live there. Say I want to look like an action figure Yeah that's not a realistic normal physique. I WANNA look masculine big shoulders and I won't be gums and lack. That's not conventional Said Hamadi Judge someone who wants like a big fake. But just because I didn't like the way it looks It's not really my business. The one thing I I guess I overstepped my opinion here over something amounts here. It's somewhat dangerous when I see and I noticed this within a lot of early twenties individuals women Especially within the the circle like people. My girlfriend knows they get a lot of stuff done and they all kind of look like the same person. Same person being witches which Kardashian is it. It's not Kim. It's Kylie. I see I see so many Kylie's I'm just like it's crazy and just like I don't know if that's like. Do They. All go to the same doctor or it's just the same. It's the same the same. Look but how is that too so right now? This is teasha trend and I love it. I'm wearing oversized t shirts. So if I go in a room with other dress casually Roman we just kind of the same James Electric. Jane's everyone else's wearing them. Like what about powerlifters? Everyone's gotta go in there Balden. Yeah I don't WanNa look like the rock right wrong balding and yeah. That's it but yeah. I think it's just a trend. Yes little dangerous because like one. It's more expensive than buying herbicides t-shirt But to some of it he's not reversible Yeah but I have breast implants. And what what they shut this down all the time we got natty forty percent body fat with double days. I just did it for the VENTURO SMART. Does it help? No I think my office such that like the by hits below my breast feels weed and it looks. It looks really like I think the argument of women not wanting to get bulky is completely valid. If you don't WanNa Look Jack then you don't have to Jackson. That's okay and I'm not a judge you for that but I think that like I love my muscles. I love that like I think. I look like fairly muscular. But my chest is discussing without the implants. No I think it's like The implants or implants before I ever started lifting and now it's like these big old chest with these round implants stacked on top and I'm told that like it pushes them out as you as your chest develops it pushes the implants out so my breasts to quite far apart and then. I have like these undecided kind of pick guy. I don't know I just don't think conventionally lodge picture really sexy around or something I can. You WanNA see amazing video. We'd like Kevin Okay. You need a bencher you ever been in a bencher. Really wants to pull up a picture. I I got my my titties. All jammed up minor. Probably furrier than years. But you know definitely furrier. They're pushed even have scowls on my knees from knee. Wraps imagine the bench Eventually Kill Innocent. Men and women awake losses registered Palestinian any federation in equipped lifting. There's like seventy something. So how many of those do you think you're in the under sixty kilo? Took all the records. Probably the best. The best equipped venture AVIC geared. Powerlifting that much of a thing. Do you still compete in powerlifting? Were kind of going back and forth between strongman stuff. Yeah I think Palestine's definitely my primary sport And I just a couple weeks ago at hybrid button I plan to pursue it further but I think that strong man is. Kinda like an off season thing for me at the borders doing the same thing And I think too when you have a Palestine mate ego from training every day because you want to to training every day. Because you've committed something that now you feel like you have to do so I think after may I just WanNa like Yola for a few weeks and do a whole lot of that heavy load triple today because I was like? Oh let's try something different around. Have you seen your strongman has helped powerlifting? It'll measure but I think that like A seventy different deadly variations. Now my dad lives floor up so like actual dead lifts Although in Australia. We're allowed to straps for Axel boss. It doesn't really make any sense but okay. Yeah but yeah. I'm sure like the heads had to carry over to my bench as well and let you find you like the variety. A lot of doing so many different like movement you know going from powerlifting strongman. I'm focusing on this for two months focusing on that for three months. Yeah I think so and like you might not try an event for years and years and years like 'cause you're only training the events the renew Nick's competition generally And even if you like. Let's say you're training excellently? If it might be rausing by it might be reps. It might be time. It might be maximized. You know. There's so many different ways it might be. We'd straps out So it's seventy variations of. They must be like a thousand strongman events if you count all the variations. Yeah you're like you're super strong and you said he started off the four twelve but within the last year and a half. What does your training look like now? Like what does he? The structure training locally linear progression. Just because like I just lack have predictibility than I like knowing what numbers I'm going to hit and and I think like if it's not I don't fix it and I think the basics work But my my training is a little bit repetitive. It probably only have like like forty accessories. Maybe it'd be more that I use and I kind of just rotate them in blocks. Some forty yeah but yeah it just really basically two dumbbells not many machines dumbbells barbells basically and then you also mentioned like. I think it was interesting. You mentioned that you WanNa get really big what you're finding. It really really hard right like you're working to try and get bigger muscles and you can't. I think that I mean that's really good points mentioned because you're training really fucking hard and like you like. I'm not saying you're not Jack but you don't look like massive night and a lot of women seem to be scared of even touching a barbell because I think if I looked a little bit. I'm going to become massive. Yeah but I think that's like not buying a back because you don't want to win the two to France like the risk is largely way to put it by the way and there's going to love is going to be plenty of places to like coal it before then you know But Yeah I think that it doesn't happen overnight and you can stop at any time. And it is reversible. So one day I decided. Don't want to be jacked. I can just like Detroit But I think I've definitely had some atrophies since I had my back. And even since I stopped doing bodybuilding movements and have been doing more. Like don't really do a whole lot of lack Latte raises from mazes and real author exercises idea. How you're back not really interested really triple. That looked amazing. Pay are dead. Lift sorry Scott. Sorry and look sorry. Good I'm I've watched a thousand times incompetent. Anything wrong with it. And the next day I couldn't be Kebab off the ground lack we'll running balloting meat and I couldn't sit up the Walmart Room and it didn't get any better at all for like months and months and months But I'll be the first that like when you say I'm working really hard to like gain muscle. I admit I didn't do everything I could possibly done to maintain my strength and I was a bit disheartened and off. Give who my lower body? You'll be you say yeah. I wasn't doing as much like about squatting as I could've just gutting and looking back. Is there something could have avoided? Maybe Sam wouldn't I mean I? I think it's kind of inevitable you're here and there but yeah yeah it's frustrating. Because no I don't think so. I like I feel like West Great. You know like I didn't know that if you like I did anything different. I've ever done and I feel like my boy was appropriate. Recovery was amazing. So it's pretty much fulltime athlete at the time So it was just like eating sleeping ethically and Training really well and My coach was there with me and was supervised and a Lotta Times as athletes were were like. Yep Like I did that. I did that one to myself. You know you can just say like I can chalk that up to you know just not learning from my previous mistakes and I should train. Today I was still sore from a previous workout. I felt a tweak in my back already already knew these things and then sure enough booming. Blow something out but every once in a while. You're just like man. There was so disappointing. I can't figure out where this came from. Yeah I think sometimes she just happens do. Do you have a timeline for? I guess when you might be one into your next competition. I'm really torn because I kind of do nationals this year. But I feel like I want to rebuild my squad like I'm not really that interesting staying at alert body weight for a long time and not getting a lot stronger as the more you can like. You know really getting stronger in the month surrounding inmate. You're not really getting stronger when you're doing like heavy singles and doubles and whatever say. I would just love to do like a volume block so I think the right thing to do would be to take more time off again. Tried conjugate stuff like sights on no not really no sense. I very first started patting but yeah I'm definitely into like changing up. The structure of my training might be good. Throw which to try out for a while. I think that I think that there's a lot of value in a lot of different training systems but just when I look at a lot of the lifters that did westside barbell stuff. I mean you don't see as many you know that. Do it still to this day but I personally feel it is probably just my own bias towards I personally feel. There's a lot less injury you know from what I've seen from a lot of lifters still lifters at our lifted huge weights. That have done. You know they've done it for a long time doing some westside barbell stuff. But I don't think that you have to all the sudden switch over and be like I'm just doing what. I don't think you need to do that. I think same thing is true with Diet. You know there's a lot of effective ways to diet and I don't think you need to be so dogmatic and saying like that like this. You know I'm doing this one thing. I think you can utilize many methods. Yeah Yeah I agree some box or something like that. You did great on those today. I think that would be a huge plus for you. Yeah and I think something I can take away from. West side is How lethal of the main three that they do and still get stronger. They don't even like full depth squats thing. I think it's I think it's so valuable from a mental standpoint Yeah people used to ask me all the time like. How did he go to the meat and like how do you do that to me? My mom never worried about it. I just I train heavy on his other movements and like but what's the conversion of a safety squat? Bar WATT WITH BANDS. To your free spot. I don't know yeah I don't care. Yeah I was really worried about but I just tried to go as like the the the day was Max effort day but just try to go with heavy as I could with that Movement for that particular day and there's less anxiety. I didn't have a three by three to do with X. amount of weight. You know when you look at that and your paper and you see that like three weeks down the road. You're like Holy Shit. Who wrote that in coach wrote that in there for me like. I don't know if I'm going to be able to hit that. And then you're training those pretty good but even when your training's going well you still see that number. It comes up and the day before and a couple of days before you go in and do the lift. You're kind of talking yourself. I don't know if I could do. Yeah yeah is it going to be there on the day and you don't get that with the west side stuff but I i. I think that sounds great and I agree with you but I think in terms of like my beginning intermediate clients. Then you'd have a white prescribed 'cause I put in there and I put an IP scale on the programs that they can look at Walter at the gym. And I give them a handbook. That explains what he is. And why are we using it and like whatever and no question any direction for sure? Yeah and then they send me escorts unlike breakdown. Forty of them like that was pointless. Yeah it's hard for especially at the beginning of beginner individuals hard for them to really gauge. What's tiring like? You don't know your limit yet you don't know when you're close to it nice. Yeah Yeah and if you haven't been around other people who are training grinding reps then like. I don't know that anyone does that honestly. So you've been training lift not lifting. But you've been doing powerlifting training for two years. Yeah two and a half. Maybe how long have you been lifting in? General How many years taking upon. I feel like every time someone asks me. I give a different. Maybe like since two thousand fifteen maybe five four five years four or five years honestly like I guess the Linear Progression. Still makes sense. Because it feels like since you've been doing powerlifting for such a little amount of time and yeah you've gained a lot of strength. It's crazy to say but you're still probably in a lower intermediate level lifter in terms terms of how much you can game. You know what I mean. Maybe that was the case for me. Even when I like. I think I managed to pull seven something out of point I still. I wasn't advanced at that point. Yeah I still think I had so much. Left is probably an intermediate level lifter at that time just because there is so much continued to get stronger with. Yeah but I think too like when you're a small female if I put ten percent on my title in a year that's only a few keeler is but if you put ten percent on your turtles in and say to my clients Benchellali I'm like man like once you get to a certain level. If you can put like five pounds a year and you bench like nailing it you know especially if you're a live body weight so yeah it's hard to imagine that like ten kilos in my bench press you know at least forty eight sounds that yeah but I think there's some number milestones that I wanna hit that I will gain way too like I wanna hit a hundred kilo bench and now ninety two and a half my best bench in the gym but which is like two hundred three pounds or something. I think Yeah I'd love to hit that hundred kilos and if I have to get heavy to do that like we do it one time. My grandkids have benched one hundred kilos. How's the deadlocked? Yeah it feels good. It was always my worst lift and I think it was the one that not having Kirch for so long. I picked up a Lotta bad habits. Took a really long time to get those habits out I wasn't disciplined enough to like take a step back. Bring the white down nail it and then my strength back up but I feel like it's getting there. Now what do you think about the other females? How strong everybody's getting an unbelievable right? Yeah the like how long you've been in power for two and a half years. Yeah like even in that timespan wild like in you said you lifted the hybrid right. Yeah what do you think of something like Steph Cohen? Wild wild like five fifty or something or five. What was it I remember? Now some crazy another world record scalise thirty of them and then like my friend she so what I titled At my First Ever Novice comp. She won nationals with that. Turtleneck six years ago whatever that's Jyrki nationals. Now you know like the standards just through the roof and it's GonNa continue to be rolling get left behind. Got Out of the way he's like. I'm going to do something different than a role with men all day. People up like a pretzel. We all know that this is a fact. Is that women. Don't poop right like women. Don't women don't use the toilet like we all fit like? We've seen the book everyone poops but we learned later on. That's not true women. Don't poop right. That's true completely before we go on this road because this is right. This is GonNa be a long Shitty road in your case you have a i. Guess a history of poop since you're young correct like there's the it started in the youth and did so. I think we're GONNA probably have about five hoops stories Sheringham. Oh Yeah Yeah. Yeah we agreed. Price Despu cost that we would miss the ones that involve criminal activity. Oh so that's the line okay. Well let's start from the beginning with young young pages First of her poop story. I mean how big could you possibly poop? You're very small person pre rabbit and it's gotten me in trouble before so when I was very public about the fact that I was an exotic dancer. Strip up quite some time and I remember. I don't do one big poop a day and I've never really a log I'm a rabbit. Pupa me never never pooped on while diarrhea. Okay poop often. Maybe yes exactly frequently. Yeah phasing a hand size of how big generally our own anywhere between a SPEC that so small that I'll like send you to my friends to be like look at pathetic. This is this is like a big mall. Poet speak so Probably has something to do with my terrible diet. Say I don't want to be a few little previous throughout the day. Pay LIKE LIKE TO SURPRISE. A going into one tricky. When you're standing up better turn around. So I was doing a private function and I hated. Proper functions are much and I wouldn't do them so I would just look do them but like it's going to be a grand. I'm going to be different on Hoffman. And then occasionally they'd be like fucking do it right so I'm going to probably functioned. High security ought to come with me. And the guys the nicest guys that were amazing and I got there. And it's like an hour and a half drive from early and Kirksey or and so summit got there. I'd had like a load of Craig's here at to pay like Boston and it was like a surprise for the guys birthday. Say I get there. And he's like oh I got his video. Leave it better. This is the best time is. He's a toilet like now. I'll spotting so wait a minute just to pay and I just had like one little rabbit come out and I was like. That's okay and the guys like we need to P to drinking and they're like banging on the door so flush the toilet a floater Florida. Oh like because you only get to flushes anyone to flushes and people think you have a problem. So I'm like man I'm going to be smart. He it's also you have very risky because it might overflowing. Yeah so I'm like okay. I'll put like a hate the toilet paper on it like help. Push it down the toilet so I did nothing old Maybe went down and my little remained hasluck like I'm adding flushes and I thought I'm GonNa give it one more and then like she's going on and so I pretend like blow my nose asking like maybe the toilet paper flush it still like as if they're waiting outside the door with cute cute and hanging on the door on and this is like the most pressure. I've ever been in my life so I did what anyone would they and put it in the beaten harmful maybe rap like a little bit of the toilet paper around. Me Long. I just went on top of it. There was no barrier it was just bareback guys later talked about that stripper Pat Right Bad. God Bad but I feel like a lot of my favorite stories Very much for around dancing in my time as a dancer. I'll yeah you know you'd be careful g you have to be careful. Yeah and it's been accidents not me but there's been accidents but it was one that we worked with once. I said I wouldn't tell the story. But this girl with the social media following about size of mine and she'll hop and her and I kind of had a big thing together and she was all shape is love money. We know that but she was like money hungry and she would do anything for the money and so she can beans customers like she really wanted to date them. And whatever so you get regular customers lost year last weeks and sometimes. I often giving you had one guy who come and book me for nine hours at four hundred dollars an hour and he was traveling six thousand eight hundred eleven seeming. He was coming for years and she put like customers and they money before any of her friendships or anything so it took a while but eventually we worked out that she was like trying to turn customers against us and saying like page that these horrible things about you and page sold the jewelry that you bought her in page was and sometimes it seems like maybe we kind of complained about accustomed to your friends like everyone in every industry that But a lot of it was just completely made up and so we found out about it and my friends I said. Don't tell it that we know like this isn't good. There's been some revenge groups in the past like I have a history of this and there were like all right do you think. Do you think we'll leave it with you? Say We used to do what we call Sharon. So you'd have a bucks Pottier Bachelor Party and you would pretend to go down on each other and it was quite fake lack of covering everything and whatever. You faces still in close contact. But everything's very clean because like with baby wiping all the time like an unhealthy amount like every time you pay baby and then sometimes for a lot of extra this skill and I would just pretend to eighteen spots right and we knew each other because like Jason Beagle. He didn't have to really get in there. So one on the way to work. Stop by a drugstore and I grabbed some laxatives and I took them and I puked and I did not and mind you. I had to walk around on watch and diarrhea. What for some time to get the timing peppy commitment and we got into this. This guys wouldn't be able to say it but I knew that she'd fucking know about it so we went in and she's going down. I'm telling you whatever it's fine. I mean that's around pretending to allow US and she goes to me. She was supposed to be shut recently. I said only God in one of the guys probably do it again and she did. 'twas she did it and then at the end of it she came back and she's like Dude. I think he's like shake yourself and I said yeah it was on purpose. And that's how we told her and that was lost not working. She changed clubs. Oh yeah by the way I left out. The most important justice just reminded me it was visible on face. Yeah Yeah Jeez yeah it was. Oh okay were there. Any other revenge poops. That weren't writing. I think it that's it. Yeah Okay Okay. about Couch poops so see some of these. No one knows anything about it. I lived in a share house. We'd like a group of tweets and it was a fun house and we have swayed catch and one day. I was sitting. We'd like kind of like a little bit recline but with my feet up against my but like at an and I fought it and I had no symptoms of any kind of diarrhea and just liquid came in and I was wearing like sexy like Mesh undies sexy anymore after this. And it just went straight through the nationals. Like that he's like liquid. Like what the Hell Clinton it like psycho? What I maybe like a wet towel. Something cleaned it and then a few weeks later having like a like drinking heavily at also having like a party. We're talking about massive cash that we had and he's guys good guys are like all. Which is your favorite spot like. Some of the guys are fighting over the same spot all the time and I said I don't mind all of them except for that one because it smells like Shit. And what do you mean it? Sounds like she's very and so one of the guys he's like literally smells like Shit like it hurts. My Eyes Dog Kushner. Oh so that. That's what got the name Pagey Pooh. That's what my family got me. Yeah I don't know I really liked pre store and I think it's like I think it's like intimate to share with someone like if it kills me if I drove at period. I'm like damn like we're on a level you haven't seen any other beaches fighters of your pre like special. You guys are bonding. Yeah that's right. Yeah absolutely awesome having you here today. I really appreciate you. 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Power Project EP. 132 - Addressing Some IPF Hate

Mark Bell's Power Project

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Power Project EP. 132 - Addressing Some IPF Hate

"In the booth and shit. All right. We got some new stuff over at Mark Bell, slingshot dot com. I'll get rid of this commercial as quick as we can. But I'm excited because we got new apparel. We've been working really hard shot out to my boy smokey shout out to my girl, Emma, they've been working hard on it. And then also the entire team has really stepped up their game anyone involved in our social media and anybody involved in our media, which kind of starts to include our entire crew or entire bunch. But a lot of work goes into. The execution of having a product. And then what the hell to do with it afterwards. I can go into that. And in a lot of detail, but you guys might fall asleep. So I won't I won't do that. But basically in order for this stuff to work everything has to be in order, including like, the gym has to be clean that stuff has to be put away because when we go out there to do a photo shoot. If there's a bunch of garbage like literal literal, garbage in the background of the shoot it takes away from the product shots that we're trying to get. So everything has to be in place and everyone on the team has been doing and mazing job of making a happen. Shout out to our boy, smokey of course, he's general manager of slingshot, and he is kicking ass and making sure things are in order around here. So this is our bomber jacket. Got the S T shield logo on it as you guys can see there, those are you watching on Instagram right now and those watching on our YouTube feed again if you're popping in on Instagram, which. I just have a little phone setup over here. That's not the best way to watch us. But I just like the show you guys what we're up to. And we'll be on here for a few minutes about pie. Take it down. Got a lot of other stuff. That's a bomber jacket. We have if you wanna watch us full tilt, go on power project dot live. That's gonna wanna see us. That's where on YouTube. Obviously these podcasts are also aired on I tunes and stuff like that as well. You can even see us on Facebook. This is a hoodie that I really like a lot. It's kind of this shiny like wyking material almost and it says power down the arm this. This one's definitely one of my one of my favorite kind of a heavy kind of heavy hoodie. But perfect for you know, starting to get cold outside Andrews, always cold. So I'm in a lot better though. Oh, yeah. Temperatures starting to self regulate. Yeah. It is. Yeah. I think maybe the like getting a lot more blood flow. So that way, I'm not, you know, just all clogged up in freezing. Yeah. Well, and just your diet too. I mean, you're Royd plays into it a lot. And who knows maybe your thyroid was kind of. Puttering around for a while. Maybe it's kind of going on all cylinders now, you'll see a lot of bodybuilding guys. We'll start to eat and they start sweating. Yeah. Because their metabolism starts to speed up. And they get hot every time. They consume some food. You know? Yeah. Well, like that guy. Lauren lolo. Yeah. Sweats. He's a lot. Yeah. He does. What along we have another hoodie? This is just a power hoodie. Nice. Another nice thick one for the winter. Got the front pockets the whole nine yards. This is just a pullover pullover. No. It's carnage. Killer boots man, Zola vailable. Mark Bell, slingshot dot com. This one's nicest destroy shirt, we do a lot. We do this a lot with the S T logo as we'd done with the strong before. And we'll do it with a lot of other things coming up, but you can see it says steadily shoutout to our artists who I won't name who do this up for us. We've gotta protect some stuff around here over at super training gym strongest Jim in the west you saw the bomber. And then this last one, I don't know what they're calling this one. Helen's called the league elitist in the league coaches jacket. This one sick this the league jacket. Yeah. There you go the league jacket. This one's nice and thick just like your mom's thighs cammo like you're going to goddamn more. Right. And it's also going to be pretty good against the rains, kind of like a raincoat type feel you kinda hear crinkle around thousands, my favorite one stuff. Like, this is great because it doesn't you put it on. It doesn't make you hot. You know, you put on a sweatshirt sometimes it a lot of Matt. Kinda seal all the heat, but a jacket like that's kind of nice because it will just ill block out the wind, and it will just keep you from getting, you know, super cold. Anyway, I just got back from Seattle. And I was going to go home. And is decided, you know, if I go home, it's another twenty minutes, the house I wanted to eat wanted to get more fuel in my body for today's workout. And then I wanted to come back. But the problem was I was like, you know, what I'm gonna be. I'm gonna lose a lot of time. And I'm getting old. You know, I got time. So I need to keep pushing and I need to keep things moving along. So I came right here to the gym. I figured let's fire up the podcast machine. Andrew blew all the dust off it, and he yanked on that thing until it finally turned over the finally kicked over and she barely started up. I had a thorough igniter fluid all over the carburetor to actually get this thing fired up. But once it did it was per in like kitten. Yeah, it wasn't easy. No. It wasn't easy. But we got it fired up. And it looks like the podcast will at least last another day kind of hard to say hard hard to tell teeter-totters, you know. So he got here, and we're doing this, and we're going to be lifting a little while we're going to be doing some chest. And I can't remember Chessen biceps or chest and triceps. But I know I I've been getting really sore from our workouts lately, I know that much my arms were dead from the arm training. And I don't know about you. Miami's are lit. Oop. My right now, they started cramping up again because we're podcasting with Jeremy Avila, which was an amazing podcast. Yeah. Shut him as he's talking. I had to shoot my leg straightforward because it was cramping up so bad. I didn't know what I was going to do like like there's nowhere for me to go. So I guess that's fine. But I was worried about when I stood up what was going to happen. And then right now, I kind of like I kick my leg bag to whatever pop my knee a little bit in there. It is again. Is just some like this is some deep dark private advice guys. But you know, like if every anything ever happens like prematurely, or if for some reason like you're like things are things are pretty stiff, and then they go to not being sustained if blame it on a cramp every time. Oh cramp. Yep. Something cramped up. Yup. Wolff's? That's really good. Yeah. Yeah. Whoa. Cramped up. I guess you could sell that as much as you want to at least half an hour. Yeah. Maybe maybe they'll go look at some porn to for the cramp. Yeah. You know, sometimes that happens, right? We ended up in a little bit of trouble. Something happens a little earlier than we wanted it to it just got to say appreciate the knowledge that you spent on this podcast, and you're not gonna get that from anywhere else. Saving people's lives record, save someone's relationship. Well, and speaking of saving people's lives this next story. I think is going to have an impact on a lot of people, and it impacted a lot of people already. But today, I was coming home from Seattle. I've been all over the place, which I don't even know why what I'm doing. But I just keep flying different places. Some some coming back, and I you I've been sharing this a lot on the podcast. I'm a to pooper like I poop twice every morning. So I knew what was going to happen. I knew the predicament. I was going to be in. I knew the bind I was going to be in so to speak. And so I woke up things were normal took down took a shower. And I was like, well, I took a dump and then I wait. Waited because I was like all right, everything all cleared out. And then I took a shower. Click clean, everything up as pristine as I can. And I brought baby wipes with me because I'm no fool. Another good move. Yeah. Yeah. You gotta you gotta stay out in front of it. Right. And so I'm on my way back from. I'm on my way back from Seattle. I'm on the plane, and it's like noon, normally, you know, both poops out a lot earlier than that. But in this case, you know, it wasn't. I I didn't have time to to get it all out my wife, and I went and saw the original Starbucks, and we went walking around like it's Pike's places the area, and we had a good time. We had a lot of fun. But the ride home wasn't so fun. I'm sitting there. They have the fasten seat belt thing still on. And I'm like, oh my God. I got unleash holy hell on that bathroom. And so I get up, and I, you know, they still have the thing on or whatever. And I just I my move with that with the when the have the seat belt sign so on I just go with my headphones, and I just plow plow forward, and I go right for the bathroom, another good move. But this time they had locked because they're like trying to prevent people from going in there until it's like the right time or whatever. And so then the lady had to come in like open it for me. But before that happened. My wife saw me reach for my bag and pull out baby wipes just looked she shook her head with their eyes closed, and then just proceeded to roll like towards she's rolled towards the window away from you and curled up like as if like, she's you know, running for cover. I thought it was smart move because she knew it was going to happen, right? Nobody else knew was going to happen. Anyway, I finally get the opportunity to go in there. And it's like the second that my shorts come down the second that there's clearance just like bam, and it wasn't a wasn't liquid. It was just normal. You know, normal poop, and you know, I luckily I had the baby wipes in there. But it was so messy that I had to start with the toilet paper. I because you can't just go and Weipa mess. Like that around those you have kids what I mean, this is going to spread. It's just going to smear it everywhere. So I had to had to like apply a lot of science to it. I'm like I'll start with the dry I and allow move into the more moist. Yeah. That's how let's Secondly. You know? Yeah. It's like when you have bird poop on the wind show. He can't just dry wipe with the windchill abors. Yeah. Like, you're just going to spread it around not gonna it's not gonna work the way the thing. And so I had to you know, had to clean all that up and everything and I flashed quickly 'cause I was like someone's going to die if they're smell this giant. And thank God. Thank. God the plane the plane sucks that shit down. And then it has like a like a it's like a trap. It's a little vent and event will like the poop will go down and get sucked out of there and go full, and they'll just totally disappear like it never existed before. And then the thing shoots back across like kind of cover the smell backup. It's it's amazing. So I really like I really cap the smell down into wherever you know, whatever part of the plane that razor does it just drop out of the hottest ask where does it go? Yeah. Just lands on somebody's house. Can you imagine that I'm impressed by like your mobility to actually wipe in? That's such a small, man. It was tough. I was really you know, what made it kinda rocket out of. There was the the situation. I was in you know, and it made me think a lot about how I poop because I was like I could be folded up a lot better. Even though we have got the Squatty potty here. I was more like a back attack position or the back of time. I was in like a good morning position. I was folded up. Okay. Lean and way, forward and. Yeah, just boom just rocketed out of there, so clean and smooth. But you know, a little bit more came out than I bargained for. And so that's why I had to do all those to do all that wiping. So I pop out of there and I'm all sweaty. And like for some reason my hat like Manhattan straight when I go in. But when I go out, my Halbie Kochta sides, actually, part of the reason why when I do the power practice videos, I turn the hat because every time I come out of the bathroom. Hat is now like sidewards on my head and like halfway off my head. You know, it's like I was just in like a goddamn tornado or something. Glad you had the wipes because that's so crucial. That's huge that that was big. I I would have just sat there all dirty the whole rest of the flight of an awful, whatever for everybody, not only that. But could you imagine how many times you've tried to wipe with that thin ask airplane toilet, wouldn't it wouldn't have worked out? So well, it's like point seventy five ply like she can see through it. It's not good. It would have it would have been absolutely awful. I just realized that I was on the wrong on the wrong Instagram just now because I know I was like there's not that many people on there. And then I would think it was might have been on the strong apparel co which is actually appropriate. So I showed all the clothes in the beginning. So there you go. Who got it wrong? Now. I figure out how to get off of here. So go click on the profile in the bottom. Right. Oh bottom. Right. I'm way off. Whoops. Oh, go to your home. It's bottom. Right. Bottom. Right. Okay. And then we're has the name it should be like a drop down list. Oh, oh, well, Pam, and they're really changing things over there Instagram, you know. Yeah. So anyway, I mean, you know, go into Seattle wasn't all you know, all glory there was there was a poop story thrown in there in the mix. Yeah. You gotta be careful with the second poop, especially on the road. But it's good that you you did your due diligence some so some people can't poop like in public at all like my cousins like that. My cousin Stephen remember, he told us he's like, I can't he's like I can't do it. I was like, well what about like when you go on vacation. He's like I have AK shin asked. My ask goes on vacation to and it like closes up shop, I'm like for five days. Yeah. Like, I don't understand. He goes. No, I need to get to a house or and I was like a hotels. Okay. He's like. Yeah. He's like if I'm staying at the hotel, I can handle that. But yeah, he said normally he can't he can't normally do it can't only peek now just just just going on the road with the team and whatnot. I've gotten so much better. Yeah. I remember at the all talking to each other in there now. Yeah. Like, hey, bro. What's up real high fiving each other? Right. If I were pooping all at the usually 'cause like it'll be like main Griffin to one room, and I'll be like, hey, I got a handle business right now. So I'm gonna actually go to the lobby because I don't want to destroy our room. Everyone destroys a lobby back. So I got so comfortable. Just like, yeah. Yeah. Fine. I'm just gonna go hang out in the lobby and take a big old dump? I'll be back. I tell you Andrew you. Are extremely polite person. I mean, really are that is shows you I mean, you really care about Griffey. Yeah. Should I mean, he should understand that by now, I mean because like hotel bathrooms? There's no vents. I now. I don't know how to build stuff. But I'd imagine like it can't be impossible to throw in a pipe with event that goes right out the building doing something the person's room. Person's Beth what's bad is. Like, thankfully, like, we're on opposite schedules. Like, you'll do everything at night. I'll do everything in the morning. So I'll take a dump in the morning, and then shower, but I always think like odd it's going to be all steamy and muggy in here and poopie. Yeah. So just swamp S all over the walls to deadly combination. Yeah. And there's no vents in these damn hotel rooms. Yeah. Poop in in the bathroom the plane bathroom the airplane bathroom was. It was a little scary. But if I was any bigger I wouldn't have worked like if I was five pounds heavier. I'll what I was envisioning. So I was kinda holding onto the door to kinda like squat back, you know, the squat down like sit back and fitting the ham is a little bit more. I'm holding out of the door. I'm like something's gonna shake, and I'm gonna come flying out of the door with my pants around my ankles. I was like I know that that's going to happen head first right into the. Yeah. Yeah. Boom, right behind like, the stewardess or whatever it was getting crackers people or whatever. Oh god. That's pretty good. Great skit someone's gotta do that. It was you know, it. It wasn't great. I want to address there was a a medium made today and the guy on had this me of somebody. It's actually on my Instagram is somebody checking a basketball, and it looks. And then the next shot is like a giant garbage dumpster, whatever. And they made fun of our commercial, and they made this kind of funny man, people responded to it. And what's really weird is the the response in in the post that people made to the original post the guy made like they don't really have a lot to do with with a guy with the guy posted they start talking about like racist stuff. And I don't know. He's talk about weird. I don't know how I don't know how we got to this place in our society where things get so sideways all the time. I've said this before you know, when you think about somebody's going to be the president or somebody's going to be hold a certain job or holder certain position a lot of times even like OJ Simpson. For example, OJ Simpson killing somebody is is separate from him. Being a good football player. He was a great football player. He's one of the greatest running backs in NFL history. And there's you can't nothing really changes that I'm not saying he's a good person. He's piece of shit. I think right. It looks like he's guilty of of killing even more than one person. Right. So. But the two things are they don't they don't necessarily go together. And I find it interesting. When people start to fight online how inflammatory they get. So this guy made a post, and I think he was trying to get some people riled up and probably just also trying to be. He was also trying to be, you know, trying to be funny, but also maybe who's halfway serious because he's talking about how he doesn't feel the USA PL you know, pays out or cares about their athletes. Now, I I want to address that a little bit because the USA peel is the most formidable powerlifting federation that there is it's the most organized power thing federation that there that there is. And it's been that way for a long time. I also feel it's the federation that provides the most opportunity for lifters in terms of having a Super Bowl ask type competition. You're not going to get that from the SPF. You're not going to get that from the US PA. You're not going to get that from the US PF or any other abbreviation of a bunch of letters that you throw together. They are of course, they wanna make money. And of course, that's why this has this has been put into place, the two hundred fifty thousand dollars sounds like a crazy amount of money, and it is a crazy amount of money in some sense. But it's also over the course of four years, and it starts in two thousand nineteen there seems to be confusion about that as well. The actual process of these sleaze being regulated for IPF slash USA. Pl competition starts January one two thousand nineteen and it goes for four years after that what we decided you four years from now, I can't really say. But I would imagine that we will probably stick with them. Some other people were making some comments about me and Ed cone being buddies. And then like me being all about the USA PL and IPF I want to dress that too because I've always been all about powerlifting, regardless of the federation. Just because I made choices in my career doesn't mean that. I don't like the USA PL are there certain aspects of that federation that maybe I don't love. Yeah. Of course, there's aspects of all federations and all powerlifting. I care about powerlifting a lot. So. You know, when I think about these certain things. Yeah. Sometimes you get frustrated I've taken kids to USA PL meet before and the guys, you know, the the the judges were just so anal retentive about the rules that I just thought it was really unfortunate because they were giving the kids that I brought to this meet a really bad experience and. At the same time. Look you've got to follow the rules. There's rules. There's rule book. Right. I just didn't like the way they were doing stuff though, because they would give give give my guys white light. And it'd be like all that was borderline and Mike. Well, he either like made it didn't, you know? Like don't don't give him something that he didn't get you know. But you know, I I love powerlifting. I have been. Guilty of loving it. Too much. I've taken a lot of time and resources away from the people that love me because I have dove into it so hard for so many years and spent four or five six hours in the gym. I created this monster called super training gym that is my my second family, and my second home and a lot of ways. And you know, I'm obsessed with it. And it's it's why super training gym is free. I think people have this. Misconception of what we're trying to do over here at slingshot. Make no mistake about it. We are here to make the world a better place to lift and the two hundred and fifty thousand dollars that was placed into the USA PL doesn't mean the following things. It doesn't mean that we're not gonna put money into other federations. It doesn't mean that. That's the stop of our budget. Two hundred fifty thousand dollars is not stop our budget for our plans in two thousand nineteen on what we wanna do with USA PL contests potentially the things that we might want to do with USA PL lifters. There's there's so much that can go into all this. Now, I'm responsible for the lives of about twenty people that work here at slingshot. And so I can't just haphazardly make decisions maybe the way that I used to I can still be strong. And I could still be assertive, and I could still go after, you know, the things that I want to go after, but there's certain things that I don't do today that I may have done, you know, five years ago ten years ago, I'm responsible for Andrew's Christmas in some way. I'm responsible for smokey's Christmas. I'm I'm responsible for for all these things in more ways than one. And so because of that I'm trying to find the best possible scenario. So that we all in everybody in this building can have the best opportunity to grow. And so the company can continue to expand. And so. When I put money into something I have to figure out how do we get money back out of that? How how how does that Andrew? How does that benefit Jessica Smith? How does that benefit Rosemary? How does that benefit? I need to figure out. How does it benefit slingshot? That's just the way it is. It's business right now at the same time. I'm not our our guy. I'm not going to sit here and look at you know, what are we getting return on investment? Like what what does that look like, what are those numbers what our margins? What is I never look at anything like that? I've never once have ever looked at an expense report. And compared it to I don't even know what these things are called. I'm sure they have a name. I don't even know what they're called. I've never read one business book. I've never gone to business school. These are all I just learned a lot of this stuff on the fly. And I promote the company the way that I want to promote it. And that's the reason why that commercial came out the way that it did as a group we thought it would. It'd be fun. We're like, wow, we have this. We have this large. Sump large lump of money large sum of money that we haven't invested into this process. And you know, what we should share that? With our fans, we should tell our fans guys. Here's what we're doing. You want stuff to be IP f- approved and USA PL approved. Well, not only did we do it. But we did it at a great cost. And we did it. We did it for you. Obviously, there's a return for me, right? Any any anyone who's in business or anybody? I mean, look, it's not even business. It's you're always going to kind of look at what's the most bang for your buck. Right. Do I know that will make that money back? I have no idea. But I do know that I love the smell of fear. I know I like that a lot, and I know that I can smell the fear on the other companies because the other companies there the other companies, we don't know who the heads of these companies are we don't know if they're powerlifters. We don't know if they have were actually I do know that they don't have a free gym that's eight thousand square feet that's open to anybody to come to. I also know that these companies have not taught you how to bench squat or dead lift I know that these companies haven't gone to great lengths to make sure that you guys have. The most information that you're loaded up with the best content that you can possibly be loaded up with to be the best possible powerlifter that you can be. And that's what I've been putting together for the last twelve years since we've had super training gym. I also know that these other companies don't offer the different types of niece leave that we have the different types of products that we have the different types of Rhys wraps and knee wraps and niece leaves and the list goes on and on these other companies. I mean, it sounds ridiculous to say, but there was no other colors even involved in powerlifting until slingshot came along. Think about how weird that is. There was blue from ray-ban, and there was black. And that was about it until we came along. And we're we're just trying to offer more stuff. We're trying to give you more options. Trying to give better options, we created the X sleep, which is a denim niece Li which is stronger and stiffer than any niece leave that you can get the strong sleeve has properties in it to that make it stronger than any other niece leave on the market as well. Except for the actually. So there's you know, the reason why we dump that money into the US AP L and IPF is because we wanna start to put money back into powerlifting. We've done that for years. We we invest in all kinds of meats, you can talk to meet directors. We've given away all kinds of different things. But the second thing I want to address is in this in that same post the guy talks about how the USA PL doesn't care about its lifters. And there's no payout. That is a very very short sighted in very incorrect. Way of looking at all this. Just because you get a cash prize from an event that doesn't mean anything it really really means zero. And it's actually not a great scenario as a sponsor to have to pay to pay out. It's just to give like some cash fee now, you might be on aware this with the USA PL does do some payouts for their lifters. And without the USA PL. You wouldn't even have some of these companies that have come into powerlifting that are paying athletes out. So it's not really up to. Let's see if I can get some of the straight. Yeah. Like, okay. So take any other regular sport for for example. The the the NFL doesn't pay Tom Brady the New England Patriots pay Tom Brady, right? It's the it's it's it's not the it's not the federation. It's not the league that pays him. It's who they're with that pace pays him. And the same thing goes for like cross fit. Crossville doesn't pay see if I make consent making that correct? I don't think cross it pays anybody anything except for the people that are employees of cross fit. I am on aware of cross fit paying any athlete. They might pay like rich frowning because he's like a legend or whatever. But Reebok has been the company that has typically paid these athletes two hundred fifty K when they win. So, you know, for you to kind of judge on where we put our money. That's totally one hundred percent up to you to free country. I agree with your statement. It does kind of in some ways seem like we're giving a good old heave ho into the into the dumpster. And so that's why I made that response back to you. But. It's an Redick ridiculous assumption to assume that there's there's a lot better ways to spend that kind of money because like what is your solution? Right. Like what what a what options? Do you have that? You think would be better? Because if you think a cash prize meet for two hundred and fifty K would be better. You're you're pretty you're pretty wrong. You're pretty dead wrong on that. And I just. I look I it's not like I haven't thought of these things before I've said it earlier, I love powerlifting. I've been in love with power. So that was twelve years old I have combed over every possible scenario that you can think of in terms of what to do with powerlifting. And what to do with power thing meats, and I have not gotten there yet to the point where I can figure out exactly what to do with the sport to really push it forward. Other than to do what I'm already doing which is trying to share information with people trying to explain to people trying to lower the barrier of entry into the sport. That's why we make the products that we make the products that we have here at slingshot and super training, excuse me dying over here. The products that we make over here lower the barrier of entry into sport. Because this is a thankless sport that hurts really bad. And so therefore, we created a slingshot that helps people that have torn their pets like myself that helps people that have torn their tricep like myself that helps people who've torn their bicep. Like myself that ends up helping people that have hurt their elbow like myself. We make niece lease. We make belts. We make Rhys wraps. I've hurt myself every which way you can think of and I've created products the wrist wraps that we have the rap. So we have can can wrap around your wrist, your knee, your elbow. They're they're all they all end up being a multi purpose rap, and the reason for that is because when I was competing, and I was competing in the US PF. I did a squat and. Well, it ended up ended up, you know, making like two products. But I I had this tremendous amount of pain. I had what he called it golfer's elbow. Golfers. Elbows on the inside of the arm tennis elbows on the outside of the arm. So I had this golfer's elbow deal that was just killing me. And so I wore a a wrap that I made myself around my elbow in a competition, and then I got red lights, and they said, you can't have velcro on your elbow. When you're doing a Scott, even though I just nailed the squad. Just right. So after that, I actually made the compression cuff based off of that. Because I was like, okay. Then won't allow me have you know, velcro on the platform on my elbow. So I'll just do away with it. I'll make a circle, you know, and then kind of offer that you you started ended up with other products like hip, circle and. It was just it was just like I was on my way. And none of these things were like. The only thing that was made specifically to like kinda quote on quote, make more money, but was still purposeful. Is the Rhys rap like the first the first generation of risk wraps that we sold and even that had a certain spin to it. It was different. I was offering a different product offering something better. But when I lined two things up when I said to myself, okay, I'm going to sell a slingshot. I was like, you know, what I can't sell people on the fact that you can bench more you can lift heavier weights with this product. But you're you know, you can wear whatever brand wrist wraps you want. So me selling wrist wraps was kind of a block I was trying to block out the other companies from people wearing my sling shot and then wearing another brands Rhys rap. But it was also very useful. It wasn't just a it wasn't just attack on you buying more crap from me, it was also useful. Because if you're going to handle more weight, and you need to protect your risk in a handle more weight in your hands. That's fifty one hundred pounds heavier than it used to you better. Protect your wrists. And so that's where the the. Rhys rap kind of fell into all that. How much does velcro help your squat? It helped me a lot in launched me into the stratosphere at amending probably like about half as much as like a squat briefs. Yeah. You know, sometimes, you know, the rules are just the rules. And I don't, you know, I don't know. I'm you control over. So I just try to follow him best the can and try to cheat them the best. I can and get the biggest lives that. I can. But yeah, it was just a I've had a bunch of things happen to me like that in my career. Sometimes you end up with a target on your back to you know, he's I just started becoming more popular. And so there was like people were, you know, Ed Cohen told me about all that he's like man, he's like your lifts aren't going to be judged the same way the other ones are, and you know, also to like maybe that plays into your head a little bit. And maybe it's just all like fabricated. Maybe it's not even real. But a lot of weird things did start to happen. I you know, I mentioned before I put on a bench shirt one time in like four judges were surrounding me. They were like like right on top of me. They're right next to me. And. They were like, yeah. We're just checking out your bencher. I said, oh, I was like the shirts already been checked know, there's a quick check in because you can see like it literally has a sharpie checkmark on it that was like orange or something and do like, oh, yeah. We know. And they're just sitting there like staring at it. And I'm like, hey, look, you know, just because I lift one hundred pounds more than everybody in. This federation doesn't doesn't mean anything other than I'm just stronger than them. And you know, you get under the scrutiny of things like that. And I think that's kind of happened here too. Everyone has a heightened alert. I mentioned smelling fear, and knowing and understanding that the other federations are scared. They don't know what we're gonna do. You know, how much time and effort we're going to put into powerlifting. And so I think other companies are kind of like oh shit. Like, they were slingshot was already hammering the shit out of us. And we'll you know, what are the do now. But that's that's that's part of it. All like, I love competition. It's great to have. It's great to have other companies out there SPD in particular, they make they make a great product when we're gonna do cry about it. Try to make better ones. Try to be innovative try to get out in front. Try to have that motivation. You know, they do a good job. There's other companies that do a good job to and there's there's room for everyone to grow. I guess is the main you know, is the main point, but I want this company to continue to grow and continue to provide opportunities for the people that are here. So again that two hundred fifty K that went in a direction that it went to. Could could we have said, you know, what it'd be really cool to give you know, everybody in the company a ten thousand dollar raise. We could have spent the money that way like that would have been around two hundred grand. But look man ten grand. I ain't gonna it's not gonna do anything. That sounds like a lot of money. It sounds like oh shit. You know, ten grand. A man money is fleeting money comes and money goes and just a quick bonus. Like that is not going to not going to be life. Changing. Now us setting the wheels in motion for what this company could actually be in five years that could be life changing for everybody in this building. And that's what I'm excited about. And that's why we make the moves that we make that makes a lot of sense. How important is it to you that we are just because I was going through some of the comments just now on whoever that guy is his post. Someone was saying like, oh if he if Mark doesn't break even in four years he's going to jump ship. And now, we're stuck with a bunch of a bunch of gear that we can't use. Yeah. I know. And all of that stuff is kind of weird. I mean. Some people like to think ahead a lot more than I do. I guess, but we're not going anywhere. Like, you know, we've always been supportive of power thing. We always will be you know, there was there was a time period where the company was growing in our focus was our focus was spread. And we didn't have as many employees. So we couldn't get out to all these power thing meets, but you're going to see coming up. We're gonna start to get out to more powerful meets that's part of the reason why we took over Reebok record, breakers and made it slingshot record breakers. You know, we're we're working right now closely with the USA PL on doing some stuff for the Arnold classic. They have a big competition out there every year that I'm excited to support and be a part of and hopefully we can get involved in more. But we just have to see things have to make sense. And you know, somebody made a comment to online they said, you know, it's not Mark bells job to fix powerlifting. And actually think that first of all. I think two things on that number one. I don't think power things broken power things. Awesome. Power. A lot of fun go to a meat, you know, go to competition sometime you're gonna hear a lot of people cheering. You're gonna see a lot of small units. You're gonna see a ton of people smiling. Like crazy, you're gonna see some people that get mad. You see some people that cry? But there are a lot of emotion that comes from it. And it's a it's a lot of fun. It's rewarding. I don't think power is broken in any way. I think that it's thriving. I think it's doing really, well, it might be kind of at its peak or it may have already reached its peak. But it's continuing to do better all the time, by my estimation. And by the stuff that we see. Secondly, it is my job the fix power thing. That's that's what we're here for. We're here to make the world a better place lift I want to I mentioned this many times before this is like a religion like Andrew come with me, my son like, and you're and you're kind of like what like I don't Andrew look, man. It's going to be fine. All we're going to do train some arms. We're gonna get pumping our arms. It's going to be easy, dude. We're going to do some biceps triceps. And you're like, okay. That sounds like fun. Yeah. And then we get in front of a mirror, and we get a palm. But the next thing, you know, we're doing stuff that's really hard like dips enclosed grip bench. And you're kind of like, hey, man. Like, I thought you said shut up. And then, you know, you think oh, maybe it was like two three times a week came NC tomorrow, you know, and just that's what I want to do with people's. I wanted to take them in. And I want to show them. Look, you can do all the same things that I can do you can do all the same things to strongest person at super training. Gym can do you can do everything that Filipino thunder does except for it's just going to look different. 'cause you're not as big you're not a strong. So you're not going to build if the same weights not amenity, you're not a mandatory. You're not indestructible. You're not you're not Filipino thunder lightning bolts shooting right out of your arse. But you you're going to be able to squat. You're going to be able to bench you're going to be able to dead lift and maybe for you with a crappy back most of your life. Maybe like man like, I probably shouldn't be dead lifting. You know, maybe that was the thought process. But now that we took into this church this religion that we call super training gym. And we kind of said, hey, man, it's gonna be it's gonna be chill. It's going to be. Okay. I mean when you go to church, they do the same thing too. Like, hey, look man, just you know, what I know. It'd be great for you. I know it'd be great for, you know, everyone bring on Sunday with you just come in on Sunday. No one's going to bother you. We promise. No one's gonna bother. You. You like really no one's going to bother me. Like, no one's gonna bother you. You're there. You have a good time you're into what they're saying for the day. And sure enough you go to get up and leave. And there's somebody hitting you up on the way out. Hey, it's great having your, hey, have you met? So, you know, they're they are walking you over to. So. And so and and like did you try? We got cookies here we got bagels. Why don't you sit down and relax you should talk to Bill and next thing. You know, you're talking to fucking Bill and then bills telling you how you gotta bring your wife and your kids and everything else and you're like shit, man. But that's what I wanna do with fitness. I want to do that in. I want more and more people to be to get involved with strength training. Because who do we know that can't do strength training? No body win on anyone that can't do strength training. This stuff is stuff is easy. It's it's it's simple. It's easy. It can be really difficult at times the difficulty level and the intensity of it can be through the damn roof where you're like. Oh, man. I don't know if I'm gonna get through this. Yeah. It could be scary flat out ski fato scare you like, man. I don't like, man. Why are they did put so much weight on for me? I hope that's not for me. And then you're like, okay, I'm going to go over to this music thing. And I'm going to try to make different noises. Come outta here. Instill the right song comes on. So I can try to get hyped up to pretend that I think I can make the lift. But I know that I really can't go try it. Anyway. You've been in my head this whole time. How roll the dice? We all feel the same way. That's how I know all that stuff. But this is a this is an obsession for us in this. You know, it is my I do feel it's part of my duty to try to fix powerlifting. I do feel it's kind of you know, it's etched into my DNA to try to share the message and try to get more people. Try get more people into it's part of the Puget reason why we have a free gym. Sometimes I'll hear many times I've been in Ben in this gym, and I'll hear the language that's kind of shared by other people that work here with somebody who's coming in for the day. And we love we love our own spot so much that were like sometimes a little bit like resistant to letting somebody letting somebody just kind of haphazardly come in. But I always try to teach everybody here and talk to everybody here say look, man. Not everyone's gonna stay anyway. So don't don't worry about it. Like just tell the guy it's cool to come in. And he wouldn't come in. Anyway, the trust me on this have been doing this for a long time. He ain't gonna come back. Not that anybody's ever treated, anybody rudely or anything any. Everyone's always very polite, but they're like, hey, come in train today and someone like now man back on Saturday Saturday. Yeah, you Saturday. You might be able to train. Okay. Who do I talk to? I'm not sure. All right, man. Catchy guys later. Yeah. I know I always try to put people in contact with Marcus. And then once they see who is like oh shit. I'm like, well, if they're willing to at least try to communicate with Marcus, then I know that they're down. Actually, you know, they're appreciate the gym enough to actually go through the steps. And then the other reasons because like I don't know if like there's a ton of people that are visiting on a certain day. So I'm like, hey, can you just check with him first? And then after that, you're trying to tell just, you know, hit us up on Instagram go to the super training gym. I think is the g. If you have in trouble there, you can try Jessica Smith or little smokey you can try Filipino thunder. There you, but you'll get contact with somebody look man, you know, the best things that you make you know, aren't made in the microwave oven things. Take a long time and things are annoying and not convenient are always the best. And that's that's why we kind of make a little bit of a little bit of a rat race to try to figure out how to become part of this. Because once you do become part of it. It's the best damn thing that you can be part of. And so it's not going to be easy. And when I used to coach kids, I used to say, look if you're not sweating, I'm not talking to you. You know, if you guys want to sit there and be like, oh, you know, the coaches they like so. And so, and of course, we do we like the guys that are working hard. We we liked the guys that are working hard better than you. Sorry. I got nothing else to say on that, you know, it's kind of. You know, where somebody will say. Wow. Did you look at that, man? So unfair all the people that work, really hard. Get all the luck shit, man. You know, it's like did you do you understand what you said? Yeah. Well, I mean, look fortune being fortunate is is a really valuable tool, you know, my wife, and I we were just in Seattle, right? Boy, a bunch of stories popped up in my head from that. But we went to the first Starbucks over. If the guy didn't start. A coffee shop in one of the most miserable states in the country. And I I don't mean that in like, I don't mean that as it's a, but look men depression, and those kinds of things are heavy in states like that that don't get a lot of sunshine. Yeah. It's it's a dark place. There's a lot of rain there and what his coffee shop have worked. If he started it somewhere else. Like, maybe wouldn't not might not have the same magical powers that ended up becoming a company that I mean, how many years later nineteen seventy-one. Starbucks started. And I wanna say that Starbucks had of cafe coffee, which I don't know how they figure that out had like fifty nine or fifty three percent of the market share or something numbers. Like that. Are absolutely mind boggling for that to happen. This day and age with how much competition there is. In his damn world, Amazon, you know, like Amazon. Amazon might need to, you know, create their own competition because like they're they might run into like being like monopoly or whatever, right. But then also to you know, so that guy was fortunate that he was able to start his coffee company in that area where it's kinda cold. It's always wet. It's always kinda like down and people probably need coffee to hype themselves up. They don't have a normal circadian rhythm. Yeah. I mean, how weird is that to think about, but that's. That's that all plays into it. And so, yeah, he's lucky, but man, what a pan the dick. It must have been to start up. Starbucks. It must have been really hard. I mean, he did get a little help from number two who does number two work for. Well, she invested in Starbucks early on. Yeah. That's huge. I'm pretty sure that help you know, kind of boost everything and get it out to the masses hail yet. But he wouldn't have been able to get help from number two. If he didn't put in the work. You gotta put it out. You got to put an at work. We gotta have that grind talking about Austin Powis. You know, and then also another famous person from that area guy by the name of Bill Gates. I think Bill Gates grew up in Florida. I could be wrong could be pulling some of this out of my ass. But I know that the next statement is leased correct. Bill Gates happened to go to a school at a really young age eleven twelve thirteen somewhere in that age category. He happened to go to one of the few schools that had computers. So you start to think about that. It's like. You know, holy shit. What would happen if Bill Gates? Would have Bill Gates didn't have a computer when he was twelve you know. Yeah. And maybe all this great stuff that he created. Maybe it would've never happened. Or maybe it would have been prolonged or like, you know, who even knows. Anyway, I've been playing around some ideas, something I wanted to do I took a picture today at the first Starbucks ever. I was thinking about maybe we maybe about weekly or maybe every other week or so posting something up about, you know, an entrepreneur that I look up to because I do get people ask me like, well, who motivates you or who inspires you? I'll look these people up sometimes I'll look up like Benjamin Franklin or Albert Einstein. We're all here. Some somebody will say something here on TV or hear it on another podcast. And they'll say, oh, yeah. That's like so-and-so's theory. And I'll be like, oh who's that? Who's who's who's who's theory? Who's got a theory about some? I mean, look the shit up. You know? And I'll look it up and 'cause I never went to school. So it's like I now that's what I'm doing nowadays. Like, I'm taking myself to school. But I was thinking about sharing that on my Instagram with people and saying like, you know. You know, here's you know, this week. It's I was at the first Starbucks, and it spire me to look up information on. I forget the dude who started it, but inspired me to you know, investigate him. And I wanted to share all this. I think it's Mike something I want. I wanted to share all this information with you guys. And hopefully, this spark something in you to get you hyped up. Oh, man. I have a couple of different name, all I'm sure. Jer Jerry Baldwin. No, wait. I think it's Eric Badran Eric fired when somebody on here's probably answering already for us. Because people are smart people are smart. Let's see if anybody answers on our over here Bill. Great Bill Gates grew up in Seattle. I'm dumb ass. Anyway, when no. Man mind to a private school. My Goulding's not good today. I ball's are getting fat. I can't see anything. Mine are really bad today. So you're is site is worse on some days versus others. Yup. Does it have a lot to do with light? You how much like a light? Maybe you've been exposed to for the day and how much if I if I hang out with my glasses off for long period of time. Or if I look at my phone without my glasses for again for a long period of time. I've always wondered to your eyes hurt when you don't have your glasses on. No, it's just like it takes a little little bit more effort to get stuff in focus. But you don't actually notice it because you're is is autumn attic. -ly adjust to whatever the hell. Like your vision is are there. A lot of good photographer as I can't see for shit. I know the guy that I learned from the most he's definitely blind. I'm on my way. Another guy. I've I've been a huge fan of Joel grinds. He's actually colorblind, and I always see colors way off to compare to everyone else. So that guy was a huge inspiration for me as well. Because he's one hundred percent colorblind, but all his photos are in color. So yeah. And he just he just see stuff in different like, shades and tones and whatnot. Somebody just said on here. They said could you please e a Carolina reaper on your live. No, that's some sort of hot pepper or something. Yeah. Member you got in trouble. Oh, not in trouble. But you were denied when we had the hunt that hot chip challenger whatever ever since Andy Galvin ripped muscle out of my body. My wife won't let me make my own decisions anymore. She's like I'm taking care of all that from now on no one's no one's touching or making do anything stupid. I'm like, okay. She's like to valuable. She's like what if something happens? You know, she's like let let let's let other people act like idiots. She's like don't do shit. Like that. The looks like our boy wrist Drake answered. I said it was Howard Schultz. He was the one that started Starbucks shout out Howard. Anyway, that was something. I was just thinking about doing. I thought it'd be fun. And like, I am, you know, inspired. I do listen to a lot of other people's information somebody I've been listening to a time lately has been Jordan Peterson. And I'm still working on it. We're working on getting these people in the podcast. People are extremely busy. They have you know, Jordan Peterson. He makes his living off talking. So it's kind of an almost seems Rudin way of saying, hey, can you like do a bunch of free stuff for us, bro? You know, like, I don't know. It's weird. But. I would just like to help get his message out more, and maybe start to reach some people that may be otherwise wouldn't reach is the information that he shared his just killing me. I'm like, this guy's a he's just on a roll some people some, you know, again, I I so frustrated me some people get all caught up with things that he's said politically, and he's made a lot of statements about the I'm going to probably mess this up because I don't know what to call. Everybody nowadays because everyone gets so bent out of shape, but like transgender he he has basically kinda had this stance of like, they're trying to many people are trying to change the language that we use when we refer to certain people and he's like, look, it's not right. Like, here's here's why I think that. But again, people get caught up and stuff like that. And they just miss everything else that he has to say it's like, even if you don't agree with him on that. And even he thinks his view is dumb or you. Or you just think he's he's an asshole for it. He's still saying a lot of really valuable things there's still a lot of value in what he's saying. So I I just I always find that to be a frustrating somebody they flip out. And it's like man first of all it seems like you're not even actually listening to him. I saw one person on one video where he was outside of one of his convention type things that he had going on. And the girl comes up. She's like, I can't believe that you. Port violence, you know, at your rallies and this and that and he's like. Actually, I don't support violence in any way. And he's like, I he's like the people that were violent at my rally were were opposing me and opposing the people that were there. That's why there was like a fight. And he's like they have opposite views of of may. So he's like, my my views. Are he's like, I don't support violence at all. But the girl wasn't listening to him. You know, it's just getting all kind of Ben out of shape. Yeah. I remember. I was at a like a comedy show. Like, I mean, a handful years back and the guy the I don't even know who it was with the comedian was like, yeah. You know, shut out to because those in Fairfield. He's like, I know we have a Travis Air Force base right around the corner like Selena think any any military man that are in the audience ball, blah. And then this was like during the Bush administration. So there's a lot of shit going on with like sending people over and this girl right up front was like, you know, just getting so irate. And he's like, no, no, no, I'm on your sites. Like, no, you're not. He's like, no, we're for the troops. Not the war right like, and she just got so pissed off. She couldn't understand what he was standing for. But because he just wanted to be mad at something. And it's so funny like you were just saying like separating OJ Simpson. The football player from the murderer. Right. You know, people catch onto one bad thing. And that's all they want to touch the person to you know, Mark Bell the Trump supporter. Yeah. I know people get they get all the all bent out of shape about these different these different topics. And then they can't they can't decipher like what's wrong. And what's right? And you see that a lot with diet tapping a lot with Diane. That's so that's where it gets to be frustrating for me because you could be so frustrated and so mad that it's to the detriment of your own health. Like, I don't mean for the moment with stress, and you yell at somebody and get fired up. I don't really mean in that sense. I mean in a different way, I mean it like towards you could be denying great information. Just because you think the carnivore diet is a wild. A wild concept. You get so mad so defensive that that something else is better. It's like you could be missing out on something. The other thing I find interesting is a lot of times the people that are kind of throwing these stones are the ones that have a problem like they have like an autoimmune disorder like I can't lose weight. But then as soon as somebody says something about a carnivore diet too. That's on healthy. It's like well. You know, okay. It's it's insane. That we've gotten to a point that somebody that eats real food is the odd-man-out. Yeah. You know, it is you know, it is in some ways debatable about you know, how much me a person should be consuming in a day. But I do think it's pretty clear that human beings are meant to eat meat were meant to eat vegetables. And we're meant to eat fruit. Beyond that. I don't know. What else we're meant to make? I mean, you can kind of think that, you know, God put us here with hands and a brain and the ability to think and to be rational, and maybe he made us that way. So we can survive, and we can eat, even grains. You know, like what would be the reason in making him? If he can't eat them. Normally our body kind of regulates. What you absolutely can't have you know, like you can't like just go out and drink gasoline. Right. You might just just spit it out. And then we also get sick from it. Right. So I know that we can make things that are harmful to ourselves. But it seems like the things that are kind of naturally here that we can naturally like kill and heat up and cook and eating away that doesn't give us a some weird disease or whatever it doesn't harm or metabolism in a way to where it gives us diabetes or something like that. Then everything should be fine there the bts data betas. Yeah. I still am curious when like when the human body will be just adapt Tilly or maybe it's already started with someone like Jeremy Avila with gas station diet. You know, he he's a thrive. Huff of eating like show. Actually, you are genius Andrew as you brought up something really interesting. And it had me really thinking I saw on the news. The other day that diabetes is actually down, but obesity is up. So that does tell you that maybe we are adapting to it in some weird way. Now, here's the here's the shitty part. There might be a also too. There's there's definitely a possibility that are markers for diabetes. Maybe they're not that. Correct. Maybe there should be other things looked into to determine whether someone has basically rather than calling the diabetes almost like sugar, insulin problem type thing. But yeah, I think you're correct. I think that. You're the human body. If you do stuff in the short term, it'll usually be pretty grumpy at you, you know, it'll usually like something will happen when you do things. And I'm talking short term. I'm still talking like a span of like five or ten years. You know, you abuse your body for ten years, and the be some poor result of that ten years fifteen years twenty years, depending on the person. But if you abuse your body from the time, you're really young we don't know, we don't always know exactly what that looks like. But we're starting to learn. So if you are consuming tons of sugar, I think, and you know, these stats it's like who knows but the average child in this country consumes over seventy five grams of fructose today seventy five grams of fructose per day, and that's just fructose. That's not other carbohydrates out not other forms of sugar. That's just mainly come in from high fructose corn syrup that is a crazy amount. Again, you the numbers can say whatever, you know, you can. Have numbers say whatever you want. And it's just it's one thing. I saw one time on the internet. So I'm not saying that that is one hundred percent of the truth. But even if it's half that still it's still a lot right baby. If you do it from the time, you're really young maybe your body does kind of adapt to it in some way. And maybe your body will regulate, you know, your insulin. You not becoming insulin resistant and you later on not becoming a diabetic. But you know, being overweight still going to result in something. It's going to place a lot of stress on your liver going to place a lot of stress on your on your heart potential, your kidneys. But aside from that what I'm seeing around the country. And when I'm seeing when I'm going to these different airports is people are just sick. And they are in pain. People are people are like. Man, people are fucking dying. I don't mean literally dying like, you know, being hauled off in a Hertz or anything like that. But. Man, I'm watching people walk and people can't walk. They're like, you know, they're really really they're really struggling to walk. And I'm like, you know, okay. By my estimation. This guy's probably about sixty. That guy's probably about fifty five. I'm like that girl over there is probably like forty that person. And I'm just watching these people weeble wobble their way around the airport, and it's like, what's an acceptable amount of body fat to have because there should be an acceptable amount. If you're if I think this is kind of funny, but like. You hear like, this is a guy thing men will men will be like, oh, man. You're not gonna have a beer don't be a pussy, right? But drinking too much beer. Makes you look like a bitch. It gives you gives you like wide hips. It gives you a beer belly. Because he tits Shah. I mean Maria m Rick who we interviewed she said, it's not a beer belly. It's an extra ten belly. Yeah. She's like that's a byproduct of you drinking too much and raising your cortisol levels. That's crazy. I know. And now at the same time like a guy who does some construction and throws back a beer here and there. Yeah. Having a having a layer Chubb is totally fine. And you don't want. I would imagine a lot of these women out there too. They don't want their guy, you know, scraping ranch dressing office salad and being a little bitch about it. Right. Like, it's too many calories. Right. So there's gotta be some leeway. But like, what are acceptable amounts of fat and not fat calories, but what are acceptable amounts of body fat? You could have on your body. Now could probably look pretty different for each person because different people kinda distribute their fatness in different ways. But man, people are to fuck. In fact, they are way their way too. And it's not even about it's not even about like looking like really fat because there's a lot of people where if you and I got in conversation like, oh, yeah. I I know that person we wouldn't be like all. Yeah. The fat guy. Like, it's not definitely the fat guy. It's just somebody who's so out of shape. Their body fat like percentage or whatever's through the roof, and I just I see it time and time again, and I maybe I'm like a fitness freak or something. I don't know. But it just seems like you have to go so far out of your way to be that way. And I'm not talking about having an extra ten pounds twenty pounds. Or maybe not having the body that you want because everyone's in that category. Like, everyone everyone's always trying to make their body better. Right. And everyone's trying to get leaner and more Jack than stronger, and it's hard hard to manage all these things. There's probably like, I don't know three percent of the population. That's like. Yep. Feel awesome about the whim Bill and my strength level. And by like, Larry wheels and Larry wheels. That's a good way to put it. I was gonna say because that guy's an asshole. But not we said layer wheel. So I better not say that because he's big. He's pretty put a name on them. I can't say that guy's an asshole. Now, he's pretty he's please. He's pretty big. And he's pretty jacked. I saw him do six oh five for triple the other day. That was pretty crazy. He's and he just smoke. I mean, he's just. It's great because it's not it's not anything spectacular from him. It's just him just lifting. You know? He says he just getting after it, but he's a beast. But. I think that people need to hold themselves to higher standard, you know. It's interesting to me that people get to a certain body weight too. And then it just kinda ceases it just kind of stops somebody might weigh three hundred pounds. But then the weight just stops and it, so it's like whatever control mechanism you have to have stopped yourself. Now, I realize there's people that are really big, but whatever control mechanism you have that stopped you at three hundred pounds. How do we get you to use some of that towards weighing two seventy, you know, towards weighing to sixty and trying to figure out ways having a little bit of momentum to just be just be a little healthier. I mean, my mom and my dad are great examples that my mom has been in love with food forever. And my mom's got all this shit tied to her eating or you know, the way that she eats her. She didn't she didn't grow up in a in a very loving household. She, you know, her her her, I think her mom and her dad and her brothers and stuff would call it fat and all this stuff. And so she's got. It's hard. You know, but my mom and dad are great examples of people that have been carrying around excess body fat for a long time that decided to finally do something about it. And and. It's it's really just not that hard. It's what I'm trying to say. It's hard to be shredded. It's hard to look like Michael Hearn. It's hard to it's hard to, you know, get your body to the levels of the low level body fat that it would take to to bodybuilding show that shit that shit's intense and for most people it's not easy for some people. It might come easier than others. But be there has to be in your head. You have to decide how fat is too fat for me. And then just go from there. So even if you're even if you're seventy pounds, overweight, you're looking at yourself in the mirror every morning going, man. I'm useless piece of shit. You might feel that way. And that's fine. But then make decision on. How do you become less useless than you were yesterday? Forget about trying to be good or trying to be great or anything. Follow the gut instinct, they have the big instinct that you have in this situation. Follow the gut instinct that you have that's telling you that. This is not good for you. Any more start to focus in on the things that are good for you. Because when you. When you reach for that thing. That's not good for you. It's not only disabling you from doing the shit that you wanna do. It's also encouraging you to continue to go in the wrong direction. So it's. It's almost like, you know, it's one thing to have the wrong directions when you're driving. It's another thing to have the wrong directions when you're walking, right? When you're walking you're like God, damn it. This is getting to be an forever reason that GPS doesn't really know where you are frustrating. It doesn't know exactly where you are. And you walked four blocks the wrong way, if you drove four blocks around you're like shit. I gotta flip a bitch flip a bitch. And and you're there, you're fine. But if you're walking in the wrong direction it really pulls from you. So that's that's what you're doing your self sabotaging yourself. There's these little things that we could be doing that can make make our lives easier. And you just have the star to adopt some sort of responsibility to your day. And now, here's where here's where everything plays out. Really nice. There are a tremendous amount of different diets that you can try. There's a lot of them. And you've heard a lot of people say, you know, I don't know. I don't know what to do or. Or just, but you can pick one pick pick somebody that you relate to investigate and look at rob wolf investigate look at book like the war on carbs, look at Stanford and the stuff that he's preaching find somebody Dave Asprey bullet the bulletproof coffee guy. All these people. Have they have great information? They can really be beneficial. And if you kind of break everything down, you kind of are like, okay, all these people are saying about the same thing in some way after figure out to have some discipline, some control. I got adopt a responsibility in my life to make a change. And then you make a change. And then once the change is made you work on figuring out. How can I develop consistency with this change that I just made is the change. I just made reasonable because not reasonable in ain't gonna last. If every morning, you're sucking down some disgusting, fiber, shake or something like that every day. Yeah. You could you could do that for ten days twenty days, if you really disciplined, maybe even stick with it for three months, but then what happens, you know, everything that you do you need to really start to try to figure out as I'm going through this process. How am I going to get out of this process? How am I going to move and try something different with the diet that I've presented to you guys? We did the not so fat diet, which was just basically that gave you guys a lot of food options, then we moved into the vertical diet. And that's where we are right now. And if you're falling along on the operation, get less fattest. I'm sharing information. There is much as I possibly can trying to get you guys the latest and greatest so that you guys can understand what it is. We're doing and what we're trying to do what we're striving. For. But the diets that we're going to go through partly people are like, oh, man. You gave up on the Warren, carbs or. The Kito genyk diet is my is my favourite diet. And I I wanted just maybe even get away from saying Kito genyk diet. I'll just say a low carb lifestyle, a low carb lifestyle a diet that is absent of breads and sugar that might allow for a little bit of fruit vegetables, occasional potato or something like that. That's my favorite style of diet, and even taking it further, and even sometimes not having the potatoes in there and stuff, but I like to change things up because I like my performance to be high as well. So I've said this billion times, but a low carb lifestyle, the war on carbs, all the information. That's in my book. It's that's the easiest way for me to eat in a. With managing the amount of food that I consume to be the body weight that I wanna be that's it's my favorite way of eating and then also on top of that. When I'm not following the war on carbs, specifically to a t and when I'm not really trying to have the fat behind the and the carbs being really really super-low. I like I enjoy doing other things, and I enjoy trying to pack on some muscle joy, try to get a little stronger. And so that's why we're going through these different diet faces when we're done with the vertical diet, we're going to move into Akito genyk diet, and then from there, we're gonna move into the carnivore diet. These are all diets I've used in the past with tons and tons of success. But what are you going to pick? And what diet are you going to utilize to help regulate your body weight to help regulate how you feel? There's some things that aren't debatable. When it comes to a Kita genyk style diet that and I think that these things are getting missed these things are getting missed greatly Akita genyk diet does not have any magical power set of thousand times where it might have some some boost over the competition boost over just being a clerk deficit. Where it might have a boost somewhere is that a key to genyk style diet can change the pharmacology of your brain. This is something talked talked about quite a bit by Dominic Dagestan. Oh, so if if it if it possesses that ability, if it possesses the ability to potentially kind of change some of the behaviors that you have and change just your overall mindset on whether you're frumpy and gonna sun the couch for the day, or whether you're gonna get up and kicks them asks to me, that's not something that we can just dismiss like that's huge. And I've said it before I say in the book the diet will will promote itself because when you're on Akita genetic diet and start to do it for a long time. You start to care a lot less about other junk, and you get to a point where you don't. I mean, you really. You're you're just like, you know, what that is so sideways from what I wanna do that. I'm not going near that shit. I don't I don't want that you know, it was the first because I tinkered with Kito before I ever tanker tinkered before ever got here. But just to just see what what the hell it was all about as kind of. It was. I would say it was about to blow up the white has recently. So, you know, like four maybe five years ago now, and it was the first diet that ever followed that made me totally changed. My taste buds like I can eat like a like a like a actual like plane cacao chocolate bar and be like this is good. I tried one the other day. I'm like, this is horrible. Distasted so bad. But I wasn't like one hundred percent or ninety percent like that. Yeah. I just I looked at it. And I don't know we were at what's that Saddam's? Gotta get a little salt fancy store, not fancy that weird hipster. Trader Joe's, and I looked over and only, hey, let's try this. I just got it because it said it had cow nibs or whatever. And I'm like, this would probably be alright. Yeah. Those are kinda rough. And it was rough Stephanie like as soon as she been into. And then I thought it was pretty good at first. But then it had a horrible after taste. But that's one thing that I don't think people don't understand is with like, the Kyosen Kito Denic style diet is not only do you not want the bad things. But when you try the bad things, they taste horrible. And then when you try the things that you think are bland right now, they taste really fucking good. And you can actually sit back and enjoy like like a quote cheat. Right. That's not bad. It's kind of amazing. It's and it's also it it it takes a lot to get tired of some of these different food set that we have opportunity eat like. I don't know. Like, I don't I don't like love eggs, but I can eat the hell out of eggs like all day long. I I can I can handle them. And there's so many different ways. I can prepare them when it comes to when it comes to like red meat or even chicken or fish. It's like I can figure out enough different things to mess with to where I never get tired of it. But even with even in terms of steak, if I have a nice chewy fillet, I never get tired of that. I you guys kind of seen me around here. I pull the fillet out of my, you know, prep thing, and I just shoe on it like it's a protein bar business. I don't I don't even feel like I need to cook. It just right. It kinda all falls apart, and it it's really it's really pretty awesome. But after why you start to not care that much about some of the junk food that's out there, and even when you have opportunity eat, some the junk food, you're going to eat a lot less of it. You know, my wife, and I. Went went to Seattle her. And I had a good time. We're celebrating some stuff. And just I mean, just just each other. We it wasn't anything in particular. Sometimes it's fun. Just to do that. Right. There's not an anniversary or birthday or anything like that. Just we're just hanging just kicking. And so we went to this. Nice restaurant. We Chow down on some food had a couple of drinks alcohol is I've said this before a call's not part of any, you know, any part of any diet that's going to help help you with your health or help you get lean or anything. So that's definitely part of the cheat. And we got done eating and the waitress brought us over a Kremlin. We didn't even ask for it. But they brought it to us. And we crushed it. Of course, we're like, well, we're not going to be at this nice fancy restaurant and not crush his cram Birla that'd be rude. So we did that. And then of course, you know, you get back to your hotel room and everyone's got the little mini bar, and you're the mini bars talking to you. And so we had some Eminem from the. Minibar? Right. It's like sometimes like that's reasonable. But like what's reasonable for? You like is it can't it can't be reasonable for you to not give shit. There's two ways to live your life. There's one one way of saying, you know, what? Nothing's matters, nothing's meaningful. And I'm not responsible for anything. He just put your hands up, and you can be a bitch and hot and not have to do anything. The advantage of that. Is you don't get hurt? You know, you don't get hurt by things. You don't get hurt by people because no one has any expectation of you and your reputations never on the line. So you don't put yourself out there. You're you're not trying to do anything. You're not trying to really ever advance yourself. And so you can stay very protected that way. And that's why a lot of people do that. But such a sad state to be in. Oh, it's sad. But I think a lot of people have been there. I would say that like I probably have been like. I I'm not somebody who really has run into a lot of like, depression or anything like that. But I I've been there. I was to say that I think everyone has kind of been in that situation. I mean. I definitely had some years in my life where I just didn't wanna be like held accountable for stuff because I was just like, I don't even know what I don't really know what I'm doing like, I don't know how to do that. Like that was always my excuse. I don't know how to do that. I was not I can't do that. I was like I don't know how to do that which is basically the same thing. But it's thought it wasn't like smart enough to figure it out or whatever. So I don't have to do that. It was just your version of I'm not gonna do that. Yeah. Right. I just wanna grab people and shake him like just fucking try like, whatever it is just go out to step out of your bedroom. And try in Renault what you might find. Well, when you try things, and then you learn that, you can do it. You're like holy shit. Okay. This is pretty cool. And then you start to make a little bit of a little bit of progress. And you're starting to feel. You're starting. You're starting to feel really good about yourself. But. People have a tendency to be self destructive. And I've I do that often too. You're going to do things that are a little bit off your diet. You're going to do things that are a little bit off your plan. But think about what your life would look like those that are listening right now, I want you take this the heart. Think about what your life would look like if you continually made the correct decision all the time. If you started to follow your consciousness and started to follow kind of that gut feeling that's telling you. Hey, this is wrong. And you stop doing that thing. You know, this is this is unreasonable for me to spend two hours playing video game. It's totally reasonable totally acceptable. If you had a long day you like playing video games in by my account. I think it's totally not not that mind matters. But by in my opinion, thirty minutes of leisure bullshit, just sitting there mindless is totally fine. I think that I think that people sometimes need that for me. It's usually like a walk or sometimes I'll sometimes I'll sit in front of the TV the TV's like half on I'm messing around on my phone texting. Or it's not healthy. I realize it's not a good habit. But it's unacceptable for me to sit there for two hours. It's fine. From you sit there for fifteen minutes and be like, okay. Well, I got a bunch of emails a bunch of tax. So I'm gonna kinda silver here, and I'm gonna halfway work and halfway kinda just catch up and see what the hell's going on in the world. And and then I'll get back to like hanging out, my kids, or some other responsibility. That's way, more important than what the hell I'm doing on my phone. Now, my Gad. I was reading some comments over here. See what was this guy from Norway? And he took advantage of free shipping the other day. Oh, hell, yeah. Yeah. Got some gear free shipping beloved that shit. So it was awesome. One thing you said that it's actually kind of easy to kind of eat better. A lot of people get hung up on actually just starting because actually go from zero to moving is really hard. You know because people have weird relationships with their food not weird. But they're just have a relationship with food. That's I mean, it's unhealthy. But you know, what? I mean, like they have to celebrate everything with a dessert or something like that. And when they say, or when they look at a diet, they have to say goodbye to those things, and that's really hard for them. Right. You know, and if. They just don't understand in time. It will be easy, right? It's just that initial step is really fucking hard. You know, you just you want to try to do stuff. Long enough to where you can be successful at it. You know, I think that I've I've just I feel so grateful that I have a healthy body to like lift weights because I feel like I owed so much to the iron teaching me these lessons over the years, but it takes really long time. They acquire strength. Yeah. It takes a long time, and you can do everything right. And still not get a Pat on the back for you can do everything right and still not. Still not coming together. You could look at your body every day and Jesus Christ. I'm eating really good. Like man my eating is at ninety percent. I feel like I'm at ninety percent with my with my sleep feel like ninety percent with my hydration. I feel like I'm working out basically as hard as I can. And then you go to do a lift, and you miss it. Yeah. And you're like or or you look at your body like this. This is not only I hold this work for that. I've been working really hard. And now, it's the summertime. I don't even wanna take my shirt off in front of everybody. Yeah. You know, even trained in your face off, and it you learn those lessons, but man, this stuff takes a really long time. It's gonna take you a long time to do anything. And so when you think about how hard to task is of getting started and getting momentum and having consistency behind you. You have to just keep trying. You know, when I don't see some. For a while. And I see them again. And we went over diet many times, I see that they're same bodyweight. It's very clear that they gave up on trying. They they're not continuing to try. It's like, well, they and there are some exceptions to the rule because sometimes some of the people, I know I've lost fifty pounds. And then you kinda get stuck which is different like if you've been doing something for a few months, and you got plateaued for a little bit. That's that's a different scenario than somebody just continuing to to look the exact same as when they started. Right. And so I see that a lot, and you can't you can't you have to figure out a way. To continue to push forward. And if you listen to the message of this podcast part of I'm trying to arm you guys with weapons that you can use in your day to day life. So you can make decisions on your own. So you can you can like forget forget what I'm promoting forget about you know, me promoting the vertical diet for second. And maybe for some strange reason, that's not a great diet for you. Maybe you have to investigate something else or try something try something slightly different. If you feel that you've really been trying, and it's not working, then you have to think. Okay. A couple of things. Okay. Maybe my execution is off. Or maybe my interpretation of this diet is a little bit wrong. Maybe I should kind of like look up more information on this diet. And then you know, kind of double down and see if that works, and if that doesn't work then you probably need to try something different. You can't you can't stop. Yeah. I'm in trying. So like, I don't know a couple of weeks back. I'll say it was having a hard time eating steak, so. Trying to switch over to chicken having a hard time with chicken right now. Try vertical diet. I haven't hard time with that too. I don't know if it's like the changing of the season or something, but food is not it doesn't interest me at all right now. And it's it's it's a real struggle. I don't know what the hell's going on. Yeah. You know? So like, I mean again, you might wanna try something try something a little different. I want to try some like fasting or something. So you're hungry in that you, but the main thing on that is like once you get away. Once once you once you get off that gas pedal, and you're like, oh, this is cool. Like, I'm gonna do. I'm just going to eat a couple of things off my plan a lot of times that right there. We'll start to kind of ill start to send a lot of messages to your brain of like last thing. I, of course, the last thing you wanna eat steak when you when you may be have been eating something different. That's not mar the plan, you know. So there's definitely that factor in their not having to me if I if I change something. Just little bit. It will mess up my entire diet. It will throw everything it will throw everything out of whack. That's why it's like for me. I can have this kind of short cheat window, and then that thing needs to be like shut right away. Yeah. Needs it needs to it needs to be ditched. So like, for example, if tonight after training, I was just like, you know, what I'm gonna go smash a bunch of pizza. I'm gonna just get after it that would take me like about five days, probably a good four or five days to totally recover from. And I don't mean like body weight wise at the be no change. Really? Maybe I'd be a little bit more bloating a little bit more fardie. But there wouldn't be any real change. But the psychological thing to wake up the next day and have that first meal tomorrow morning to get in here and bang out. Some squats would be really hard oatmeal and eggs that. Yeah. It makes a lot of sense. And I know we talk, and we have people tell us about the the psychological like reaction that we get. But I just I don't know. Like, I feel like I didn't go to crazy far off the diet to really have that effect. But and the other thing is I've experienced this before with or without any kind of where I just like food is it's like like if I could just try try eating less meals. Just so just you know, right now, you probably eat but four five meal five meals every day or so I'm trying to hit four. But right now, it's been a stroke just to get three like I'll eat once air, and then once for dinner, but I will have breakfast. Sometimes I guess technically three times, right? Well, you know, you might want to just try to do, you know, he go through different periods of time where you're doing things a little differently. It's it's hard to once you start to lose momentum. What I would do is. I would I would try to eat on a schedule the best that you could you know, if you can figure out at least the last two or three meals if you're gonna be on some sort of scheduled to last couple of meals sometimes it's hard in here because like we trained different times there. But you know, I I was doing something like that for a while where I would eat around around eight AM and around twelve AM and then around like around three or four a PM. And then I, you know, and yes, like every three or four hours, basically. Yeah. I would try to just kind of at least my alarm on my phone would would my phone would vibrate. And I would be I wouldn't always get the meal in. But I would try to be within a half an hour of it just to. Yeah. Kind of schedule. In. You know, maybe try to have some of the meals just, you know, have like, I don't know less carbs or just try to switch it up. So it's different, you know, or figure out a way to, you know, make some of the meals like stands whole thing with the bone. Broth is to try to make things more moist. So it's easy to get down. Yeah. So there's there's a lot of options when it comes to things. I do weird stuff that other people probably wouldn't dig. But like I'll take yogurt and I'll put yogurt on top of something because plain yogurt to me taste just like sour cream. And so really does. So I all eat. It's sounds so disgusting even saying out loud. But I'll eat like, you know, some potatoes and some yogurt and and steak, you know, and I'll I'll kind of eat put them all in the same fork or spoon or whatever and knock that down. It's just it's it's a little easier for me to kind of consume that. But you might wanna try some recipes like, you know. With get with your lady friend there and say, hey, let's let's look up some recipes online. You know, let's get let's do something different. Let's make something fun. Like, it could still be nutritious and still be all stuff. That follows the plan. You know, maybe there's there's some small deviation where you're using a little extra oil here or there or whatever. But for the most part, you just trying to make things taste delicious. So you can you know, crush those foods. Yeah, she's been making like chicken with a in slow cooker, and I'll smell it. And it'll be like audio. I get so stoked. I'll get excited. And then like that day, I'll tear it up, dude. I can't like I figured it out. Like, we're we're good. We're back on. And then that night. I was like fuck what do you want me for dinner? Like man, I literally don't want anything. So it's like through frustrating. But I think if I just stop, you know, 'cause like I had bread the other day because I. Just didn't want to eat anything. So I'm like, I'm just going to have a slice of bread. And as kind of what we're talking about here where you do you do something where it's like, you're you're kind of like, even keel, right? And then you could potentially do something. That's good for you. Which is way over here to the right or you could do something that's bad for you. And if you look at it, it's like man, it really slammed back and the other things that causes. And that's why we start to run into more and more people that come here. And like I haven't cheated in seven years, and you're like what? Yeah. Like house possible. I don't think for myself I'll ever get there. I don't I don't. But I I don't man I it's hard hard for me to to say. But I don't I don't think I have any sort of like problem with eating, you know, like I first of all I digest stuff. Pretty well. There are certain things that can like almonds and nuts. Basically like, I just if I eat them like they cause a lot of gas. They hurt my stomach. So it's like there's a couple of things that that aren't great for me. Maybe I don't chew him all the way the way I'm supposed to or whatever. But there's a couple of things that that can do things like that to me. But in general, I feel like I can I can eat something. And then I can kind of switch over to something else. And I feel like I do a pretty good job of of managing if I'm guilty of anything, I probably do tend to overeat here. And there on my e the little a little too often here in there too. But you guys seen me. It's not like, I'm crushing some crazy amount of food. No way. No. But you got night at night. I would say like I load my calories. Probably. Later on later on the day, definitely guilty of like having a protein bar here, and there and some things like that. But it just kind of depends on where Matt and I and I know for myself that I can switch to something different. Because I can usually figure out a why that all that overwhelmingly pulls me towards kind of how I'm going to do something though, you have a you have a reason that makes you fi