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"phil lawler" Discussed on The Catholic Culture Podcast

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03:25 min | 4 months ago

"phil lawler" Discussed on The Catholic Culture Podcast

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"phil lawler" Discussed on The Catholic Culture Podcast

The Catholic Culture Podcast

08:14 min | 4 months ago

"phil lawler" Discussed on The Catholic Culture Podcast

"They realize the futility of the gestures that they're currently absorbed right. So yeah. i think that catholics. We spent a lot of lip service to the idea of praying for things. But we have this very we. We've absorbed this scientific mindset to such a degree with what i was saying about seeing natural disasters as an expression of god's will and some sensor and other you know we kind of we kind of shy back from from saying that we kind of say. Well no it's really a product of these material causes and god simply allowing it but but it's not specifically meant for good by god in some way or or in this case that we were just discussing the idea that pair actually genuinely is the most effective way even for our material benefit and that there's no opposition between the there's no opposition between taking prudential steps to help oneself materially and prang and and that it is itself a prudential judgment as to whether one at a certain point needs to say you know what at this point it's in god's hands because there are no more reasonable steps that we can take yes. Yes that's that's that's sanity to say you do what you can and having done what you can you say. Okay now. in god's hands and having place in god's hands i can ask for his mercy for his assistance for his forebearance. whatever That sanity to recognize that you can't yourself while it would seem that sanity is a gift of the holy spirit. I think i think that's going. That's becoming increasingly clear in our time. It's not a natural. It's not a natural issue. Currently apparently so so. I'm glad we've touched on a more More hopeful note here I want to go back to one practical point. You mentioned the suggestion made by a french bishop. I think his name was montalban her pronouncing that Properly but but he suggested that in cases of You know public health authorities as are still in some cases most nearly to us in canada where the situation is just absolutely horrendous. Right now that people should just show up at the church at a time decided for mass and that you know if they did that enough then the priests would come and say mass What what's your thought about that kind of strategy. I liked the idea. I don't know if it would work. I mean you. Do you still do have to have a willing priest But i know that there are certainly many priests who would be very happy to do that. i i suppose i can now say that i did that myself Very early on. So i guessed at when the priest would be saying his private mouse and i made a visit to the church and i was right So i was able to attend us and he was happy to have any there. But maybe it could be done more fondly. I hope and pray would counter that that. We're not going to have a walk down. That would be so disastrous. It comes down so much this issue of needing to force a confrontation and to take initiative. It's really disturbing to me. As i said that the church is so much following not leading even at even as things were do returned to normal the which is of course good thing but it still forboding thing that the churches following and not leading. So you know we could talk. We talked about the church needing to force because so much damage could have been averted if a confrontation with the civic authorities and with public opinion had been forced earlier. There's also the the the confrontation that has forced in in a manner of speaking if a Large number of people show up to their church for mass and no priest is there. You're making a strong statement. Let's say the priest doesn't show up everybody's there the public health authorities are already being defied so in that sense. You're forcing a confrontation. They may the police may show up and break it up and then the priests in bishop are sort of put in a position where they have to do something you know. They may throw their their prisoners under the bus. If they're really wicked. But that's still something that's still reality. Being forced to sort of come out into the open people could show up and the priest doesn't come up at least they're all praying and common. That's something that's valuable. Now the protestant we can see that the protestants who don't have the sacraments still value that. And that probably is a lesson in itself. You know to catholics. Because because we so often don't gather for communist prayer anymore except in the home except for when there is an actual liturgy or sacrament going on. You know there's also this I think it think it applies all down the line. Because you know. I had never once received communion on my hand. I don't think in my life until this pandemic and i was put into positions where i had to or was encouraged to and Refused communion on the tongue a couple times by priests which i found to be a very disturbing and horrifying experience. So i kind of backed down for a while and i kind of said you know what i don't even want to put myself in that situation. Such a an unpleasant thing to mean makes me want to cry happened so like i don't even want to go there So i was almost making the priest decision for them just just as the the churches the some of the bishops have made the public health authorities decision for them. We're not gonna force them to order us to do this. We're going to reenter. Preempt them and doing this. So i was almost doing that for a while. Which i regret and i am at a certain point i turned around and said you know what i'm never going to receive communion on the hand again unless i am forced to do so now if a priest refuses me comedian on tongue. I'm not gonna make a big scene in the church even though he's denying me by right according to the church's authority. I'm not. I'm not gonna make a scene not gonna i'm gonna receipt for us on the han and jesus knows that. I don't that i hate to do that. And i don't prefer that. But then i'm doing something i do feel that i'm doing something for the priest in that situation by by going up and sticking my tongue out and not deciding the issue beforehand and giving him the luxury of not having to feel uncomfortable. I want him to have to make that choice to be forced to make a decision and to have his conscience paying instead of making it comfortable as though there's no choice being made as though he's not making a decision as though he's not responsible because because we're everybody is making it easier for everybody else up the line of the hierarchy. Do you see what i'm saying. Absolutely yeah i'm with you until finally i. I'm i'm all for forcing people to make decisions. So i'm not. I'm not trying to be obnoxious jerk. Like i said. I'm not gonna make a scene but i am going to take that little moment and suffered the salutary humiliation myself and and and you know give the priests the opportunity to feel uncomfortable as he should in such a circumstance while you're also giving him the opportunity to exert right thing yeah. I think that. I think that Everybody off the hook in this way by by having low expectations. You know it's not that we as the faithful rebel against are properly constituted authorities in the church. But but we do. We present ourselves by being who we are and not kind of shrinking and receding whenever our leaders do that. I.

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"phil lawler" Discussed on The Catholic Culture Podcast

The Catholic Culture Podcast

06:45 min | 4 months ago

"phil lawler" Discussed on The Catholic Culture Podcast

"People that they loved to attend mass. Yeah take it a little further. Let's let's suppose that disease was as communicable and as deadly as we were originally led to believe. What should you do. I think what i would want to do is go to mass. Go to the sacraments. Because that's how. I would want to live my life particularly if i thought i was in imminent danger of death and i hope that there would be enough. People felt the same way to make an impression on the society around us that these are people who actually believe what they profess and it would make them want to know you know. What is it about the mass. What is it about the faith that these people are willing to take this risk. Yeah i mean we can. We can people can talk all they want about. Oh how are brotherly lobban stuff but we have in no in no way ourselves as a church from the rest of the culture and how responded to this now we have except possibly by issuing more papers about what our procedures are going to be but our public procedures are going be. Yeah we we have not looked like the early christians. We haven't looked like people who are willing to die for the faith Point i'm trying to make even just live for the just live a normal life and because because the fear is on fear is unworthy of christians. The kind of fear that we're experiencing that we're seeing all around us. It's it's not worthy of feeble who understand the that we're not gonna die. I mean we will experience death but we will also live forever. The fear of death the inordinate fear that we see all around us is manifestation of cafe this to believe i can't quite remember in detail but i believe in a Bormio quote that. You had about how you responded to this. Near the beginning of the book did he not refer to this plague that they were suffering as a chastisement of some kind he may have he also I thought you were going to say. I'm pretty sure have to look at myself. But i'm pretty sure. He told the priests that if they contracted the plague while ministering to the people it was the express ticket to have russell. He didn't write it that way. Obviously but while anyway forget that quote we could we could say more. Generally that you know the church has kind of or let's say catholic preaching has kind of done a lot to eradicate this very traditionally catholic old testament and new testament and beyond idea that natural disasters. You know contagious diseases. Things like that can be treated as a chastize. Meant from god that they should be interpreted spiritually in this way without thinking overly that you know exactly why or whether it's a punishment versus a purification or any any number of other factors that that that the disease itself has a spiritual element to it and that should affect how we respond to it. Yes i don't know about chastisement I don't know what would be chastised for this plenty writing But i think without question. We're going through a period of purification and the loss. I don't know twenty thirty years for any serious catholic in the united states. Particularly you know that you know. We're going through something extraordinary that should lead to reform of the church because it should tear away some of the smug self satisfaction that has that. That's always an enemy of spiritual growth. Let me let me take another tack to this. I believe that borough mayo said that people should be praying to god and offering these masses for the removal of this this danger the removal of this disease and that itself implies that there's an element of will hear everything that happens to us is god's will at the very least it's god's permissive will but so far as we're concerned we as well act for spiritual purposes as though it's god's will simply speaking that kind of attitude of prayerful response and actually believing that if this is a serious problem then we need to appeal. To god's will we need to submit to god's will but we also need to appeal to god's will in prayer to god salvation will and a spiritual and material sense So that's something that's been almost completely lacking we we did see a few good bishops like bishop strickland for example And others doing eucharistic processions. Even by car in some cases in their diocese early on as a way of honoring god and appealing to him for for aid. But we should really take this idea seriously that this reality seriously that that our prayers actually are effective. They are perhaps a far more effective way of saving lives not perhaps definitely a far more effective way of saving lives than than are many of these lockdowns and measures. That are now some of them shown to be Even counterproductive right. Oh yeah well. This is fundamental. Message that i try to get across in this is that there is reason for hope. And the reason for hope is jesus christ. The reason for hope is not a face mask. It's not a vaccine. These things are are not going to secure our problem in the sense that even if they do protect us from covid will die of something else if you're looking for each terminal life If you're looking to avoid death there's only one way to do it and and this is the message of the church shocking message. You know when you when you see it in the acts of the apostles when you see it in the early church fathers there they have this very clear sense that what they're saying is shocking. And it should be shocking. It should be shocking in our age. And maybe people would be more open to.

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"phil lawler" Discussed on The Catholic Culture Podcast

The Catholic Culture Podcast

08:23 min | 4 months ago

"phil lawler" Discussed on The Catholic Culture Podcast

"Is the prisoner obligated to do so you know. Can i just walk in. Pass the contract the form person whoever's administering that and and just say you know what i have a right to the sacraments and there's no law. There's no church law saying that. I have to do this. Absolutely i mean i e saying will he with the auto let you in. I don't know how big are you in about. How frightening scary. I you but absolutely you have the right to do that. I am by the way. I can understand I could understand in some circumstances where the congregation was limited to a small number. And the pastor said please sign up just we have an idea of the numbers particularly in places where the pastors were making sure. There are a whole lot of mass said on sunday so everybody could get in. I understand that it was more onerous. I thought when you had to sign up for confessional. Yeah are where was it. I saw recently where someone was saying. The bishop ontario was saying that Confession should be discouraged. Fans russians should rice courage. He said Unless there's a serious matter so what do you say. But he's had blood drives. We're still essential sections of the parish hall. Yes but but i mean the the abuse of the sacrament. When you have to call your braced inside. Can you hear my confession. Because i really have to go you know Then eve essentially made a confession right there without benefit of the seal. Well my parents. We had to make appointments but we have to sign up. We didn't have to give her name or anything like that. And so we just had to call and say. I'm going to be here at this time. You know there was basically a set time and we just had to call and tell them we'll have to be that we would be there at the time so that the church the priest would not be in there. This this was this was during. Yeah the lockdown. This was not not any like during the spring and summer last year. That's not unreasonable. But but you do have the right to anonymous counselors socially Switching gears a little bit. I want to go to In this doesn't necessarily have to do with the church but kind of this idea of Well we already discussed the fact that we already do take risks and we do in a sense but price on human life in in determining you know as a society in determining what risks we are and aren't willing to expose people in this society too so that society can function in a normal and healthy way such as driving. You know just normal spread of disease under normal circumstances things like that now people talk about. It's not about protecting yourself as about protecting others. I want to ask and obviously you could do whole episode on this. But how far does the obligation to protect others from the risk of disease. Go because we're hearing that even if other people are vaccinated we have a moral obligation to get vaccinated ourselves. In case those vaccinated people are among that small percentage of people who might still be vulnerable to the virus. Just as an example. So so how. How do you kind of cut off things and say well no. I'm not actually beyond a certain point. Obligated to protect other people from risk skip question. I do think it's perfectly sensible to say as most priests are saying if you're six because you are then a risk and by the way that's not just out even in much la even in cleveland and unease disease. That's not going to kill anybody. You don't wanna give the whole parish old just a normal flu you would say. Stay home but do the math a little bit. What are the odds that. I am infected right now. They're very low if i am infected. What are the odds. That communicated to you the very low in if i do communicate to you. What are the odds that you're going to get seriously sick very low. And you know you multiply out you do the probability function and you find out that the odds of my actually making you sick are vanishingly. Small vanishingly small is so even if you accept the notion that i should do whatever i can to keep you healthy weight. You weighed in the balance. I'm much more likely to do damage to you In a car accident driving to church then breathing once in the church. And nobody's telling me that. I shouldn't drive to church. That's one thing that by the way it was never forbid you mentioned in the book. I thought this was very helpful than normal distinction between ordinary extraordinary means of medical care. How how would that apply to this right well. That was bishop proxy. I think who introduced that. Oh is to me at least And he made the point to catholic. Teaching has always suggested that in cases of healthcare. You don't have to take you. Don't have to use extraordinary. Means that usually we think of this end of life decisions wherein you are not obligated to do something out of the ordinary to keep someone alive. You know when it's very unlikely to succeed or even if it's likely to succeed but it's extraordinary it's painful to the to the individual i would just prolong his prolonged death rather than prolonged life. And he applied that to this situation. Resent did you have to take extraordinary. Means to protect people from disease in. Obviously this is a sliding scale depends on the severity of the disease. But in this case it sure looks like extraordinary. Means we have taken extraordinary means to prepare to prevent the spread of this virus. And what has it cost to our society to our church to ourselves and it's pretty clearly wrong to force extraordinary means on authors or for the sake of a third party. Yes you're never obligated and you shouldn't be required to use extraordinary means so again. How much if you living with a hypochondriac by. I think we all at this point where living in a hypochondriac society you're not supposed to hail or how far do you have to go to humor and people who are making irrational demands. Yeah so let's talk about witness. I wish i had brought this up earlier. Actually because we've got who spent a lot of time talking about the kind of the different manifestations of this this fear you talk in the book about how the early christians. We can be pretty certain that under this circumstance they would have kept going to mass. We know this because we know what they did do when they were risking martyrdom. And in you know you can. Now somebody might say well. They were risking themselves. They weren't risking others by going. Well yes they were. Actually and plenty of circumstances were on our other. Podcasts catholic culture audio books They just had a dramatized reading of the martyrdom account of saint perpetual and felicity. And you know aside from exposing other people to danger of death or torture any anything like that. You know saint perpetual. His father came to her and begged her. You know i'm an old man. Don't expose me to this suffering. You know in my old age. Just do what you have to do to avoid martyrdom and she refused and she but that was a poll on her heart strings because he was genuinely suffering as a result of her choice. Yes to be martyred. So that's unavoidable. We there are certain things that we must do even if they were will cause a certain amount of suffering to others Of course that's that's putting aside the fact that the risk is fairly low in this circumstance but we know that they were that that they would have been willing to suffer this willing this level of risk to themselves and perhaps even.

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"phil lawler" Discussed on The Catholic Culture Podcast

The Catholic Culture Podcast

08:05 min | 4 months ago

"phil lawler" Discussed on The Catholic Culture Podcast

"Based on what or what. How is a right and first of all. I don't see how that promotes any health issue at all. But it's so such a blow to a to reverence for the christer in to being reflected at the time of communion. Absolutely the idea. The you take communion and you walk out and get your drive home immediately done that. It's it's. it's really undermining respect for the grist which is obviously central to any liturgy. Okay so we've been talking about the the response of the clergy here. That's obviously not something that the faithful can necessarily do a lot about directly other than praying and exhorting and rebuking as as appropriate be faithful. Can choose to go to mass in ways that are available to them. What say you know most places masses available legally I think it's pretty clear that the lay people are allowed to attend unauthorized masses. Now this is separate from the question of whether priests can disobey an order from their bishop whether the bishop has the authority to completely stop masses as opposed to regulate some aspect of them. Were things like that or prevent you know public health. The public immoral public figures from receiving communion that the things that we normally associate with the duty of the of the bishop. That's a separate question But were allowed to attend for example orthodox masses were allowed to attend spx masses. So those are things that don't necessarily have authorization from the local bishop and yet were were allowed to attend them. So i think it's pretty clear that that a catholic is unless he is like encouraging sinful. Active disobedience catholic is allowed to attend and sort of illicit mass correct. I guess so. I think i think you'd get an argument on whether it is sinful to attend mass at an author church say when a catholic church is available. Yes yes that's true but we are allowed to in certain circumstances. That's not explicitly said. Forget that's explicitly said by the church. I'm not. I'm not up on the details of what under what circumstances but put it this way. If there's another lock down. I'm going to get to mass by huckabee crook right. You know if if the bishops if bishops says there are no churches open. I will find a way right and I if that way is authorized. I am inviting any priest. Who wants to be disobedient. I mean as i say whatever it takes and i know i'm not alone. You cite the the canon law Sacred ministers cannot denied the sacraments to those who seek them at appropriate times are properly disposed and are not prohibited by law from receiving them. How does that apply to this situation. I don't know of any law here. Now made policies. I don't know of any law. So the question is am i properly disposed. And the the presumption always is heavily in favor of the communicate right now. I i mentioned this mairtin been reading. And it's it's been forming. My my thoughts on this as i approached this discussion because i happen to be reading it at the same time. He cites bellman and augusta in talking about the obedience to the pope That we must obey our superiors if there's uncertainty as to whether obeying order sinful or manifestly for the common good if there's uncertainty if it's not manifestly sin floor manifestly harmful. We must obey it but one re reasons that you know in catholic theology that one may disobey the pope Include if he tells you to do something that sinful but also if he tells you to do something that is clearly subversive of the common good of the church and this would obviously apply off. Fortiori to obedience to bishops. So i think there is an argument. There obviously this is something any priests would have to approach with fear and trembling. I mean it makes me nervous just thinking about what a horrible thing because the priest theologically celebrates mass as an extension of his local bishop under normal circumstances. That's-that's goes right back to. I think saint ignatius of antioch but I think we're getting to that point. Where this stuff is indisputably harmful to the common good of the church and it is indisputably an abuse of the rights of the faithful. So i'm not telling anybody what to do but it seems to me that we're getting to a point where that would be more clear to priests examining their their conscience in this matter. Yes and priests also make a vow of obedience to their bishops which they have to take seriously So it's a different issue for priests absolutely. Yeah and i think it's much easier for us. Yeah i think so. I think we we can do whatever whatever we feel. We need to do and and we have a pretty broad spectrum of options are at least we should and you know if there are some places where people are welcome in time of need. Welcome to the sacraments. They are going to get there. I mentioned that my parents pasture was was aggressive. When things did start opening up a little bit our parish was pretty full of people coming from elsewhere where they were not able to get the sacraments and here they were and they were they. Were also grateful and you know. It's not a coincidence that it's a pretty healthy parish ryan and so people get there from elsewhere in this age. I like it here. And i stay so this going to be a winnowing. I think that too is process. That was happening anyway. You know where people most people drive to church anyway and You know if you drive an extra five minutes on sunday not really big deal right. Sure i mentioned My parents music directors comment about parishes making it unpleasant to come back to mass. So let's talk a little bit about the requirement further requirements to get in the door. What are some of the different requirements that parishes have have placed on their petitioners to even attend mass l. Lots i mean registering in advance. Of course a course wearing a mask. Some places where children were not invited which by the way what. What on earth. How does that. How does that match the gospel in what does that to parents with. Little families with little children of the registering in advance was one that that trouble me. Now i've heard more recently people who are vaccinated. Get to sit in one side of the church. Those who will have to go in another side Taking temperatures on the way in. I think most of this is lightning up. But there's still in most of the churches at least once churches icy every other you was roped off the mask mandate is fairly universal. I shouldn't say that it's it's very much enforcing some churches in completely ignored in others such as the one that we around christmas time right and by the way no coincidence we had both driven ways to get there is i guess. And it was packed. Packed with riley's right if somebody is required to sign up you know. If they're if they're pastor says you have to register and for contract contact tracing you know. Essentially to come to mass. I think that's clearly obviously wrong for the pass to do that. But.

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"phil lawler" Discussed on The Catholic Culture Podcast

The Catholic Culture Podcast

06:57 min | 4 months ago

"phil lawler" Discussed on The Catholic Culture Podcast

"Health at the small parishes You know enforcing parking regulations aggressively that sorta thing. Yeah which is pretty easy to do. Yeah that's just. I think that. Just gonna be how it's going to have to be if we're gonna through this. I mean you you have to were so well past the the breaking point here. What should have been what should have been the breaking point. It's almost a shame. If we get through this and what the bishops want to happen is for this to be over soon and to just go through it well without a confrontation wall. That's bad if the president is set without a confrontation. I don't count it. As a victory we get through this and just by nature taking its course you know the churches let out of this tricky situation because a it's a precedent it doesn't mean that it's the precedent for the next virus. We don't know what it's a precedent for. Its a precedent for all all manner of things I don't think that it's that. The permanent lockdown is the goal of the necessarily the goal of the most wicked powers on this planet. You know. I don't know that that's to their benefit. I think this is pushing in a different direction that we can't necessarily predict It's as much the compliance as it is anything else it. The the object of that compliance is not necessarily important. But the other reason that it's not that i don't count that as a victory is that it doesn't really speak well of you know the catholic people and the catholic clergy. It doesn't speak well of our values of what we of what we You know are willing to do to have the sacraments and to glorify. God that's right that's exactly right. It's when you say it's a precedent and it's not necessarily for virus. Let me just suggest there will be another virus. I mean there's a. There's a flu every year. Now i'm not saying the cove. It is just a fluke. I'm saying there is a flu every year and so next winter when there's a new flu in let's hope it's mild. One as they usually are there will be people saying you should close the churches because people are going to get the flip and what is the logic that leads you to say no. We're not gonna do that. Because that logic seems to have been wiped out. Yup i sense tents and what we've got people who are going well beyond the restrictions even of the cdc which are the themselves fairly absurd in some instances and people saying you know i don i even if i get vaccinated. I'm gonna stay home So we've got now this genuine. What started as something else perhaps. Yeah genuine mental illness. In some cases with some people and those people are going to be hopefully in the small minority in basically ignore it or helped to get out of that by the rest of us. But the add. Those people certainly will be calling for similar responses to other diseases. But let's let's look on the bright side because as you say a precedent has been set and i totally agree with you and i think it will be very hard to walk it back having said that there are also a lot of people who have set of counted. The cost in made a decision. And i am finding that the people who are making the effort to get to mass particularly by the way get to get to mass daily And you see a different crowd at daily mass different sort of crack. It's one more thing. That gives catholics and off christians in opportunity to decide what's really important to them and those who make the right decision who honor their faith. Who decide it's worth. The risk are much more likely to be manjula. They're much more likely to be a force for change both in the church and society. So i see this as one of the many things that it's pushing us towards what pope benedict talked about. You know a smaller. But more evangelical more energetic more committee. Church yeah i am under that. The numbers the numbers very likely will be down. They have been going down anyway. I think they're probably gonna take a big dip. A but the commitment level. I think is going to ratchet up. I was just speaking with my parishes music director The other night. Who was thankful that a lot of people were such a large number of people. Were coming back at our parish And one the reason he thought that was because we were not making it so unpleasant to come back as as some parishes were Now we can talk about the litter itself or just the requirements to get into the door a the one One very memorable paragraph in your book as you say bishops who had never worried about the proper reception of communion now gave explicit instructions on the sanitation of the process in short bishops who had not previously evinced any real concern about the rubrics of the eucharistic liturgy now went into excruciating detail in one case a sixty three page memo about how the liturgy should be celebrated after decades of neglect which helped to cause a crisis of faith took a public health crisis to focus attention on liturgical guidelines and now in the focus finally was placed on liturgical propriety. The goal was not reverence but hygiene couldn't have said it better myself. Yeah yeah i mean have you gone to. Churches is certainly have where right front and center in front of the altar. This about is dole with a bottle of sanitizer. where where's the sanitizing of the priest. Hands in the hands of countless yoga. Ristic ministers is it. Looks like the high point of the mass. You know it's it's all out of proportion in it's done. It's done real damage to the liturgy while i went to a A church in new york several months ago in manhattan. One of the future of catholic churches in manhattan. That looks like an ugly modernist suburban church because most of them are quite beautiful regardless of the state of the marriage. You know. I went and everybody. The priest gave the final blessing before communion and then everybody received and filed. Right out of the church. I was my mind was blown by this. You know. I thought this was like worst abuse i'd ever seen and then i found out that that's actually happening. A lot of places and perhaps even the bishops are in some places are saying. This should be done which is just absolutely insane to me. Were reordering the parts of the mass. And just having people receive communion walk out the door.

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"phil lawler" Discussed on The Catholic Culture Podcast

The Catholic Culture Podcast

07:41 min | 4 months ago

"phil lawler" Discussed on The Catholic Culture Podcast

"You know you talk about the bishops kind of either obeying direct orders from public health authorities or simply just mimicking the guidelines Gained other organizations. By public health authorities or government officials. What about bishops. Going beyond those measures or or almost anticipating them aggressively. Yes some did. Yeah i remember. I think it was. I don't wanna get this wrong. But i think it was the bishops of ohio who announced very early on Last year that there would be a lockdown. there'd be no more celebration of the mass public celebration until after easter and that shocked me at the time of course now most isis re are some diocese. At least we went two easters without a normal public celebration but but that was a time before the state was locked down dozen other bishop. Who said that there would be He would not return to novels. Public celebration of mass until all restrictions were lifted all restrictions. Because i who knows ran all restrictions left it so yeah. They're quite a few instances were were they went beyond and i think part of that was Well part of it was an understandable desire to convince public authorities that the catholic church was going to be a good citizen. Now the he worked can have to worry about a superspreader event than catholics church. In by the way this been no such event but at another part of it was. I guess it's part of this health first. Heresy douglas was brian. By on your podcast. That it's so important. We're gonna do everything we can to ensure that there's no risk to our people in you know now i say that is of course you do everything you can but everything within reason everything that you can without compromising the mission of the church. There's also there's the public relations aspect of it as well. I mean the church is going to look like a jerk of the church. Is you know Not going along with what they're what they're told to do. They're going to be the ones taking the flak for being callous. And you know killing grandma on everything else. You know We the venom the degree to which there's actual hatred of people who disagree on the precautions that need to be taken or different scientific opinions About this virus and preventing. It is is amazing. I mean we and also simply the kind of the willingness to strip people of their rights. I mean we even had One of the signers of this awful epc statement about the vaccines Bothered dominican father next economic austria co at providence college. He even said in a piece. I think it was in public discourse. He suggested that people who don't get the vaccine should be kept out of airport should be kept out of various events and basically public social life so if even a catholic priest you know a dominican theologian or sorry dominican. Ethicists bioethicists scientists. I guess you could call him Saying this imagine that the hostile response if the church as a whole were to you know. Take an even sort of mildly last cautious stand until let alone an aggressive stance against over-caution. I mean i saw some of this response and social media when that to him. Court decision was made With the brooklyn diocese And and people were just furious and they were they were. I saw so many people commenting about these. People are jam packed into churches. They're all singing loudly. I'm like you've never stopped. Yeah you've never stopped into a church. I mean set aside before the pandemic right because we could be a plenty sarcastic about that. But by but you know i mean. I've never seen people packed in virtually ever since the pandemic in in a catholic church new york even ones that were pretty. Well attended on sundays. Were still pretty. Well spaced out. I mean the only exception would essentially be the trim at my parents thankfully But gosh there's just no. There's no packing in happening. And but people think they know that these religious people are doing this. It's crazy. well let's be honest and acknowledged that this is because the spirit of anti-catholicism is is abroad. There are two aspects that i would point out about that. The first is the bishops. In the pastures end to logic sent the catholic laity a steel reeling from the sex abuse crisis. Don't want a conflict with public authority again. Don't wanna conflict with the public media again either. The tired of being the bad guys want to be the good guys. Yup okay. that's understandable. If not particularly noble but the other aspect of it that i would like to call attention to try to make this point in also in contagious. A is that you have to be prudent enough to see where this is going if there are restrictions imposed on public life of americans people elsewhere. Because of what's good for society. How long do you think it's it will take before liberals before anti-catholic want to impose those restrictions on the catholic church and they don't you see it coming. Don't you see it on the horizon. The time time state after state where they list essential services that can be opened in churches and not on the list. Yeah what is that telling you. It's it's the sad thing is with as with so many things. I think this could have been nipped in the bud pretty well. As far as restrictions were concerned With with not even a unified front but just a sufficient small number of bishops and priests willing to be fined willing to be arrested. Perhaps yes And i you know because you know the public relations battle. I can see that being much more difficult. It'll be much more difficult to win that battle and not have the church demonized over that but the battle over simply civil rights and religious freedom if people were willing to just stand in that and be uncomfortable that really. I don't believe that that would have been. I don't wanna say it wouldn't have been difficult but it wouldn't have. I think it's very doable. To to to fight some of those restrictions if just a few bishops had been willing to to do it had on to to to force a confrontation. I agree with you. I'm definitely inclined in that direction. Myself i did have an interesting conversation. bishop totally on from san francisco about that and i told him that i thought if he were willing to defy the local government is which were absurd at that time in san francisco and get himself. I.

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"phil lawler" Discussed on The Catholic Culture Podcast

The Catholic Culture Podcast

01:53 min | 4 months ago

"phil lawler" Discussed on The Catholic Culture Podcast

"Our pastor was one of the more inventive reason. He was early with the parking masses. Confessions in the cemetery and so forth. And i'm forever grateful to him that but i know that he felt he felt the chancery was was looking. Carefully and skeptically.

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"phil lawler" Discussed on The Catholic Culture Podcast

The Catholic Culture Podcast

07:02 min | 4 months ago

"phil lawler" Discussed on The Catholic Culture Podcast

"Legalistic. Very bureaucratic Almost taking the tone. I know you sneaky. People you're going to try to get to mass. And i won't have it. Maybe i wouldn't have been so exercised about the whole thing. If i felt more of the spirit of the spiritual father ryan and of the bureau crash these statements. Yes and you even mentioned that some of the statements didn't even come from the bishop directly. They came from the chancery. Right and i've made the point said a few friends of mine ost bishops by you giving us this guidance as an order under obedience without exception they did not get a straight answer so when you refer to the order are you referring to the order to priests to not make masses is open to the public or are you referring to while has there ever been in order for the lay people not to attend while you can't attend this this no best while. I don't think i can't think of an order for lay people not to attend mass orders to priests yet essential past dress. Well one of the most I think helpful parts of the book. Perhaps on a spiritual level is your discussion of how a lot of these statements about the suspension of sunday. The obligation of sunday mass fell short. You take the position. Correct me if i'm wrong. That this is a precept of the church to attend mass on sundays. It's based on a divine law but the way in which that the way in which we obey this divine law specifically by going to mass on. Sundays is something that the church can dispense from for various reasons. Now that i don't think that question has actually been settled Theologically in other words weather. This is sort of a necessary divine precept in the church can only say that for grave reasons mass rather than actually dispensing from the lie itself or changing lot self. If that makes sense. But i think you can. You can take it. For the sake of argument that bishops could that the church could even change this required this specific requirement or this specific expression of the sabbath obligation If it wanted to now. I don't think that will ever happen at various bishops. Approach that because some of them you mentioned didn't even explicitly suspend the obligation but they made it impossible to fulfil it so give us a picture of kind of the. The message is being sent with these kind of convoluted restrictions and the different approaches. Bishops took to the sunday obligation on a legal level will on a legal levels At least a couple of the statements that i saw wearing cohort because they said just as you relate at they said there will be no public celebration of the mass but they did not say you're dispense from your obligation so now if you live in that diocese of course you can't be obligated to do something that it's impossible to do but it would be a relief did for the bishop's justice say you are dispensed. Most of them did say you're dispensed but the effect i think you the effect i think. The effect has been devastating. And i think it will be lasting because not only did the bishops. Tell people that they would be the public celebration the mass but they also said well don't worry about it. You can watch on livestream where you can watch on. Tv from the convenience of your home it came very close in many many instances to saying not by the way not just bishops but postures were saying the same thing the message. I'm afraid that many people god was It's just as good to livestream justice. Good to have a virtual mass. And so you don't have to. You shouldn't worry about in fact. That was definitely the tone of many of the bishops statement was. You shouldn't worry about this. Don't if you worry about this year being selfish in some respect to the don't worry about it you're fine you're getting you need from the livestream. Ise that the week after week month after month and then a time comes in already comments on diocese with bishop says now i am reinstituting. The sunday mass obligation was no dispensation. I can't believe that you're gonna see all those people returned to church because they've been hearing. It's just as good to watch on tv. Yeah well it's it's interesting. I'm you know. Cardinal dolan made a statement later you know about. It's time to return to a sunday mass and in that same and he took the position that the church can't dispense from the law itself of sunday mass that this is essentially divine law but that the church can say for this or that reason individuals are exempted but the law itself can't be changed in other words and i said well okay but that's effectively what you did or tried to do. You made the decision for people right and in boston. I quote in the book cardinal malaise pastoral letter that he issue just less than ten years ago about sunday mass. Saying you can't have you. You know we have a church without the mass and then suspended public celebration of the best in you know again. It's not the same to tell me to tell you. don't worry. There are pre celebrating mass. So it's not that the masses has been obliterated. Well yeah but. I'm not there and i got to be there. I can't tell you how frustrated and dismayed I was by that message and by knowing that there were priests who were celebrating mass who were administering the sacraments who were pushing the envelope. If not outright defying orders from the chancery. They were often seen as the problem children. Whereas the priest who said i don't have to celebrate mass taffy confessions. I can go to my vacation house and go fishing. They weren't problems and there's something really wrong there. I mean even aside from priests defying orders or instructions. Or what have you bishops. Were even cracking down on priests who weren't doing that but were just being creative and you know going out of the way to find ways to give people the sacraments in other ways with while still respecting the public health decrees. Yes we will blast. Because.

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"phil lawler" Discussed on The Catholic Culture Podcast

The Catholic Culture Podcast

06:58 min | 4 months ago

"phil lawler" Discussed on The Catholic Culture Podcast

"Who drink to excess particularly of them. They're gonna drive the they're danger. People who are who don't exercise know. Where do you draw the line. All of these things you can say. Look you would be better off if you ran a mile a day. A few took more vitamin d And you can make a pretty good taste for that but we as a society grownups at least we usually do. We say no enough to make your own decisions into way your own risks and we take risks. Every day we accept risks every day. Amd this is one case where our society or the leaders of our society told us. We can't take any risks at all ryan again. That's that's not rational in a previous episode with douglas farrow and andrew. We talked about kind of the rights of the church. We also talked about the political side of this which we were just discussing and this kind of This political control the cult of expertise Things like that so in this episode. We're going to be largely speaking Again about the the way that the church has responded to dictates of civil authorities or sometimes even beyond gone beyond them. Can you just paint an overall picture because obviously people are aware of the widespread shutting down of mass and the sacraments things like that. How would you summarize the overall picture of how the church has interacted with the dictates of public health. Authorities or other well to oversimplify because of were painting on a very light candidate canvas year but To oversimplify church authorities have generally done whatever. Public officials did my favorite example. Which i mentioned in the book is when in italy. The civil authorities of rome closed down the street leading into saint peter's square so there was no access to saint peter's square but the vatican basilica was still open because of course vatican is sovereign territory. Well within two hours after the city did that. The vatican closed the silica. You can say as the vatican did say we did that on initiative. But it's awfully coincidental that had happened. Within a two hour period after the public officials had made the same call and that to me is sort of typical of what. I've seen all around the united states. You have the civic officials announcing lockdown and the church officials announcing the same lockdown civic officials than say churches can open that can have congregation of up to fifty people's a in the local bishop says. I've decided that we can have a congregation of up to fifty people so it's still possible for the bishop to say i did accede to the demands of the civic officials. I made the decision myself but is awfully coincidental that it's the very same decision. Sure for now. Of course i. I will say that one. Probably the only thing that i really took issue is in your book. Was you suggest in a few places that you know. Perhaps we should question the authority of certain decisions by church officials if they are basically really coming from government bodies or public health authorities. That that this is a question we should be asking in terms of obedience. And i don't know that that. I i mean what you're saying is very relevant in terms of critiquing. The churches approach to this. But i don't know that that's relevant to the The question of obedience. Because you know we we have to submit. For example encyclicals that are written by people other than the pope for instance You know but they're promulgated under the pope's name syria yeah so so. I don't think that just because an order. Is you know really coming from public health authority unless the bishop is being outright coerced Sort of in a direct manner. I don't think that they are not properly still. Viewed as orders of the bishop. I guess that's fair. I hadn't thought about that. I mean yeah. If if the order is essentially written by a public official in in signed by the bishops the bishops order. but there's another factor there which is which. I also try to make him not. Give regina making book which is is the bishop is he issuing these instructions. And by the way i wanted i should avoid the term order because usually they weren't borders usually they were instructions or recommendations or requests but is he issuing them in his role as the leader and teacher of the diocese in successor to the apostles our father invade or is he issuing them as a public health official because insofar as the bishop is giving out advice on public health. I don't recognize him as an authority in that area. Yes that's very interesting and it's it's it's also funny because you know just been reading this book by jack mary. Ten called the primacy of the spiritual and the whole first. Chapter is about the indirect power of indirect authority of the spiritual power over the temporal power. Meaning that the church over the state and other other temporal authorities and he talks about how for spiritual reasons. The detroit has indirect power over the state as to the spiritual aspects of temporal matters and they also have direct authority over spiritual matters that are in themselves spiritual but they don't have direct authority over things that are temporal. But now here we have. This is a little bit of a tangent but here we have bishops exercising their direct spiritual authority over spiritual things for purely temporal reasons even if it is often even if it has dressed up. I don't wanna be cynical. Because some of these bishops were sincere. At at the beginning you know even if it is dressed up in language in sort of spiritual language or sort of humanistic moralistic language of protecting our neighbor. And things like that. It's still essentially for the reasons of bodily health. Yes and by the way. I read a lot of bishop's statements on.

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"phil lawler" Discussed on The Catholic Culture Podcast

The Catholic Culture Podcast

08:23 min | 4 months ago

"phil lawler" Discussed on The Catholic Culture Podcast

"The sacraments. In fact quite the contrary he told his priests. I'd recognize the your endanger because of the plague. However it is. Your duty is your vocation to minister to the people and you have to be out there with them. Even if there's a risk in your now not out there with them. I will be in. If i'm the last man priest in milan so be it. It was very clear that he was not going to give up on. What priests are ordained to do now. At least in some places including rome itself there there were priests being sent out to at least give last rites and things like that At risk to themselves and some of them some of them died. Some elderly priests died from this but There were also quite a number of places where even that was you know diminished if not completely You know shut down. And of course the big thing That masses were ceased almost worldwide for a certain period of time which is kind of apocalyptic seeming that that that response. It's a little scary. I mean i remember thinking within the first couple of weeks of the lockdown the powers that be what whether this is the right decision or not the powers that be are definitely taking note and saying. Wow that was really easy to get them to just stop. Yeah i could have imagined that the mass would be unavailable in my nightmares in my nightmare. Fantasies about you know the zambia pacalypse the communist takeover or or is the coming persecution or that it would be unavailable due to a free choice by the catholic church. That's really the crock. That's that's that's what shocked and scandalised in offended me. Yes that's what i thought i needed to write about. Because i need to point out that this this is a self largely self-inflicted wound on on the church. At the beginning. I was scared. I think everybody was scared when we first in what was it. February march of two thousand twenty when we heard about this virus in we heard the initial estimates that thirty million people. We're gonna die. Thirty million americans and such such percentage of the people would catch this in so many people die and when we first heard about the lockdown was going to be for a couple of weeks to flatten the curve so that people wouldn't be dying in the hallways of of hospitals. At first it didn't strike me as quite so apocalyptic quite so crazy but as time passed we calmed down a little bit and we learned more. The thing that i found mind. Boggling is the less threatening. The virus seemed the more draconian was the lockdown. In how we learn more we learned way. Aren't we aren't all gonna die. We are mostly going to survive even if we get the virus and yet more and more insistence that you can't go out you have to stay home. You can't talk to people. You have to wear mac. No you have to wear a mask and so forth. It was just constant escalation of what i referred to as panic porn. O'brien nothing else to be discussed. So i guess what i'm saying. Is i understand to some extent the initial reaction. I don't understand how it was locked down in place right okay so this brings us to your buck. The subtitle again is why the church must spread hope not fear in a pandemic. When are we asked this question. How much of this is about fear. Obviously for some people it is but how much of it is really about fear and how much of it is about being in control or how much of it is about fear and how much of it is about virtue signal signalling. Because it's it's not entirely clear to me. How many of the people who say they're afraid actually are or at least it seems like they've made themselves afraid but it's may have started. This overreaction may have started in other ways. I i don't quite understand some of the people that i see reacting so in such a neurotic manner to this. That's a good point and when you say is it about fears about being control that there are two ways you can take that being in control. When is the people who want to control people. Yes yes but the other is the rest of us and we all want to be in control of our lives in one of the things that i think might be a salutary Salutary reminder here is. We aren't in control of our lives. I mean we try but things happen in one of the things that happens is disease it happens to everybody in is never a particularly good time to be sick but you are gonna be six sooner or later. It's attractive to say okay. I'm not going to be sick. I'm going to do whatever. I can to make it impossible to get me sick. And that's foolish. It can't happen. You take reasonable precautions. So but i think maybe you were talking about the other side of the equation. Either one actually really really both But i but. I suppose i am talking about more on the ground more more the latter that you said about you know people wanting to be in control of their own lives because the motive of you know state control for example. That's pretty obvious. That's a pretty obvious one. Yeah and it's it's an obvious one but it again maybe useful reminder to us because sure there are people who are by nature inclined to state control and this has been just hit the jackpot but there are a lot of people you know in local government the the local board of health and so forth and their ordinary people and their. I'm not afraid of them. Ordinarily but give them a little bit of power and it's hard for them to let go and you know because they feel they can make everybody better and they feel a little bit of responsive not not just a little bit. They feel a lot of responsibility. You know if if i ease up on this mask mandate will people die in. It will be my fault. So i can sort of understand that although i think it's based on it's based on wrong information. Well yeah i mean there's a number of factors here in one of them is just kind of general moral and prudential like in our society which makes them difficult for even make rational judgments of this kind. How much risk is it willing to accept or to kind of decide that we're going to take as a society and and and the two forms of control of course are connected because often people who want to feel like they're in control of their own lives while the only way you can do that is by controlling other people or to have the illusion of that so then you turn to the state and You know of course you know. I'm no longer my libertarian. Days are well behind me at this point. So i'm not opposed to the state you know even taking drastic measures to regulate people's behavior you know at this point in my life but but We're talking about a specific situation which it's you know. Unnecessary and often immoral and in particular context of this conversation were speaking about the restriction of religious activities in ways that other activities weren't being restricted or two degrees that they weren't being restricted often in in quite a number of places but of course the moral problem with shutting down society itself did not even speak of the church is is nothing to sneeze at either. No it's not and isn't it interesting. You know there. There are lots of ways in which the behavior of a lot of people endangers themselves they endanger themselves than they endanger society people people who smoke cigarettes people.

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"phil lawler" Discussed on The Catholic Culture Podcast

The Catholic Culture Podcast

07:02 min | 4 months ago

"phil lawler" Discussed on The Catholic Culture Podcast

"On the show. Thanks for coming on phil. Oh it's a pleasure to be with you as a colleague. Well thank you. Thank you for humoring me. So we We actually met for the first time in person recently Around christmas time. We were both in virginia at a parish. That's not even my home parish. But i i was just there happened to be there for. I think it was a sunday mass. And you and your wife were also there. I guess because you have kids or a kid in in the region right right a child the our daughter her husband and therefore children's of they were all there with us although you wouldn't have recognized them right yeah and my parents of course in the area so we ran into each other and you know we we were chatting and i and i said to you you know. I think that that the church's response to this Covid nineteen Scenario is the worst the most shocking scandal. That that for me anyway personally. That's happened in my lifetime. And there have been quite a few and of course. I'm not making a moral absolute moral judgment. There of what's the worst right. But i'm just saying i grew up knowing about you know bad clerics and prelates throughout history so the the idea that some of them would be corrupt in various ways or even abusive wasn't surprising and and also i was twelve. When you know the two thousand two sex-abuse scandals broke so pretty much grew up hearing jokes about priests and michael jackson but the idea that they would just sort of stopped doing their job even at the most sort of mechanical level you know because even even even a good even a terrible priests can can do the sacraments validly and and it sort of it works. I guess mechanical is not quite the right word but anyway To make a long story short you you agree to me and in that when he told me that you had this this book coming out so maybe we could start with with that. I mean what is it about this this response to the virus that is so shocking even on a historical level. Well as i think. I said to you then but i didn't say that everybody's watching this podcast might. Experience is like yours in some respects in others. It's is unlike. I was fully grown when sex abuse scandal hit. I was in boston at ground. Zero nine new. A lot of the people involved personally It it was devastating the end i was researching it. I was writing about it every single day. During what father richard. John neuhaus called the long lent. Minos was in it every day in we were personally touched by. We had a young man who is living at our house who turned out to have been used to we. We confronted the abuser and So yeah it was. It was a very trying experience for me. But i can't say that it ever shook my faith it depressed. Me scandal is me but it did check my faith. This did because the difference was the church stopped doing what the church does mean. I couldn't get to mass completely. It was. I could easily understand that. There were bad priests. The is an expert on sin. I could less easily understand that. There were bad bishops. Who are leading the bad priests do their thing but still there was mass everyday. Those confession people were married. People were buried and then last year in the midst in reaction to something that just was not the threat that it was made out to be the church closed. I couldn't get to mass or couldn't get to mess. Shall we say legally. The there was no access to confession hearing horrifying stories about elderly people. Dying alone without the benefit sacraments without being able to meet their children. It was horrifying to me. That was something. I just never could meant his opinion so it was a shock. The way i react to shocks is usually writing on it. Yeah well of course. None of this has meant to you know this. This comparison is not meant to diminish the suffering of especially victims of abuse. Anyway but why. It was so striking to me that you agreed with the comment that i made. Because you have been reporting on this and studying it in depth for you know at least i have to say a decade before. Everybody else knew about it. You know in two thousand and two fisher yeah. I don't by any means intend to suggest that this is The sex abuse scandal was anything less than a horrible scandal. And in fact. I recall saying sometime in the mid nineties was on radio. Show with al krista in he asked me is this abuse scandal. Is it amount to anything. He clearly expected the answer would be no. It's a media conspiracy. And i said at the time and i still believe it will be the biggest challenge for the church since the reformation. So it's a huge thing. I've written a lot about that. I don't mean to suggest that this is swamping. Eloping hundred fact. I think it's kind part of the same constellation of problems churches facing the app. Well i'm sure i probably had some listeners. Just turn off this. As i said that this was more shocking than the sex abuse scandal. But you know. I i really. I'm talking about my own reaction. When i say shock i wouldn't say my faith was shaken but but surprise. Surprise is something that i'd never in a million years would have expected and it's interesting because early on when people were saying things like this back in march and april of twenty twenty. Some people were saying. Well hold on a minute. There are precedents. You say this is unprecedent us. Unprecedented nothing new under the sun. Of course that's true but they would appeal to the example of charles bermejo and what he did in the sixteenth century in response to a plague. saying that this was essentially a similar response to what happened in the past year. Can you can you address that right away. Because i want to sort of get that kind of is this unprecedented thing out of the way at the beginning. It is unprecedented. There have been times when churches closed. Churches closed that you know sometimes churches closed because they need renovations because this structurally unsound charles. Bermejo did indeed close the cathedral in milan. He closed churches. But when he closed the cathedral he celebrated mass out in the streets in in the plazas neighborhoods he did not stop the.

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"phil lawler" Discussed on Catholic Culture Audiobooks

Catholic Culture Audiobooks

01:30 min | 7 months ago

"phil lawler" Discussed on Catholic Culture Audiobooks

"Suddenly last year at the age of sixty six. At the time we released an audiobook recording of what went wrong. Two thousand three address to the conference unity of catholic clergy in which father mankowski presents an excellent analysis of how the catholic clerical sexual abuse crisis occurred. It has since gone on to become one of our most popular audiobook episodes which isn't surprising father. Mankowski was a brilliant priest who worked tirelessly for catholic renewal and who wrote for years at catholic culture dot org under the pseudonym. Diana janis this due to impositions placed upon him by his superiors as phil lawler wrote in his tribute to father mankowski. When told that he could not right under his own name without censorship he used pseudonyms when told that he could not write under a pseudonym he stopped and so the catholic world was denied. What might have been a treasure trove of lively and inciteful pros. Thankfully what has been left behind has lost none of its power and relevance father minkowski is words in fact often read as if they were written just yesterday that was certainly the case with his address on what went wrong as it is with. Today's reading his description of what he calls the phenomenon of the tame priest this episode should be of particular interest to priests. But if you like me have looked with increasing bewilderment and frustration at the action or better put in action of members of the church's clergy especially among our bishops then tames in clerical life..

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"phil lawler" Discussed on Audio Theatre Central | Exploring Family Friendly Audio Drama

Audio Theatre Central | Exploring Family Friendly Audio Drama

06:52 min | 10 months ago

"phil lawler" Discussed on Audio Theatre Central | Exploring Family Friendly Audio Drama

"And from a storytelling perspective. One of the things he was bringing up was that we have to create stories. That don't just give people simple answers but that teach them how to discern what's right and wrong for themselves and it made me think of that scripture in hebrews where says we exercise our senses to discern between good and evil and. He was saying that what he wants to do. Stories is help people to learn how to exercise their senses. So that when they're in some really tough situations in life they're able to. They have the tools to be able to make the decision rather than just expecting simple answer. And i thought that that's something that i wanna do. You know as. I'm teaching. Bible studies or as i'm writing stories. Help people give people the tools to make decisions. Not just take some little thing from a philosophy class and run off you know be able to weigh it and really understand how it fits into the larger perspective of life. Absolutely yeah critical. Thinking is a huge part of life in in every day decisions and you know what sometimes huge things revolve around one small decision that you might make. We're getting super deep here. This is not even audio drama now. But i brought up a storytelling point right. We're getting. We're getting away from the think you to keep us on track. That's what happens when you're at sahib khan and you're speaking with these great minds. You have to start thinking about some deep things. Yes yup well and then we moved on after the so. I think you're absolutely right. It was at lunch on sunday which was after his his talk that we were talking about those things with phil and then we moved into the new works festival which was really really neat and so they had this was announced. Even back wins on khan was first announced for the spring of twenty twenty. There was a contest. You could submit a short script. And i don't know who it was but they they selected three finalists of all those submissions and those finalists got to hold auditions and cast and produce an audio drama in this short few days that we were there so in three days they had to take auditions and listen to all of them. They're cast do a rehearsal with not just the cast. But with the people doing the live foley and then presented before a live audience. And i was like wow. That is a huge huge undertaking. The fact that those people that were involved in that were able to do anything else that weekend is is a very impressive. Yeah that was very ambitious and then not only that then they had to get some feedback from a live panel. So that i mean you know to get your work. Critiqued from phil lawler katie. Lee i mean first of all. It's a great opportunity for you to grow. But it's also i. I guess it could be a little daunting. Yeah and are very jd. Sutter was on that panel. I wanna make sure that's clear because you conveniently left yourself. Cut the great phil lawler the great hastily in the great. Jd sutter all were critiquing. These new works and that was fun tube. Because i didn't that. I did not know what's going to happen so i had talked. I had talked with chris nelson back in the spring. And he said we're gonna do this this panel. Would you be interested in being one of the judges. And i said yes. Well that was in the spring. I hadn't heard anything about it. And since then and then i think it was saturday afternoon. He said oh yeah. So did you still want to be on the the judges panel for the new works festival tomorrow. Oh okay sure. Yeah i guess. I can do that so i didn't really know what to expect in and we didn't know i was thinking well maybe we're gonna take notes and then vote on which one we think was our favorite out of the three well. That was not what happened. They actually wanted us to give live feedback directly to the writers and the cast and the directors. And i was thinking when it was happening. Like that takes so much courage to put yourself out there with this thing that you created and be willing in front of a live audience to receive feedback and it wasn't just like you know Patchy on the head did a good job feedback. It was honest real feedback. So yeah a couple of the submissions from I believe both of them were liberty students and so they're very at the very early stages of their careers and so they're you know they're putting their work out there and i you know i have done some writing and i know what it's like to put your stuff out there and kind of hope that that it's resonating with people and when you don't hit the mark it can be disheartening. But you have to be able to take that constructive feedback and use it to make yourself better and there were a couple of students who there were some some structural issues with the stories that we were able to point out to him and hopefully they will take that feedback and go from this experience. Yeah what was good about it. Was that everybody in. The audience could see the process of utah. The story in this is how you can rework it to make it better. And if you're going to be successful you can't be so attached to what you've created that you're not willing to change things in rewrite things to make it better. I think phil kept making the point that the first law of the writers to rewrite or something like that. I forget his exact phrase but rewrite rewrite and and they were they gave you know points to the actors and Talk to some of the sound design people on certain issues as well but Yeah it was. It was helpful for everyone involved to see that process happening right in front of us. And as thomas st pointed out in that clip from his session earlier when you are involved in the creation of audio drama regardless of what your field of expertise is if you're a sound designer for instance you need to know how good stories made as well and if you're a writer you need to know what is capable of happening with sound design. So you don't need to be one hundred percent expert in all of these different elements of audio drama but you need to have an understanding of the potential and what's possible with each of these different disciplines because that makes you better at what you do. What your section is. What your lane is you know. It makes you better..

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"phil lawler" Discussed on The Official Adventures in Odyssey Podcast

The Official Adventures in Odyssey Podcast

08:07 min | 11 months ago

"phil lawler" Discussed on The Official Adventures in Odyssey Podcast

"Oh Cathy was brilliant She was a lot of fun to work with and she really helps me understand how to take the story back to basic elements and strip it down to the bare bones and work work at from there and build a structure from there, and that was very helpful to me especially well, I was learning to outline because I think that was the place that I really I really was the least experienced in. And so she was so helpful and teaching that. No that's cool. There's this quote from Comedian Steve Martin that I love and it goes something like handed in a script last year in the studio didn't change one word of the word they didn't change was on page eighty seven. So what sort of changes did your story go through from the outline to the first draft and then to the final draft? Oh goodness. That's that quoted. Definitely. True. There were a lot of changes that happened from the the first outlined to when I started working with caffeine. Too when I was scripting and all kinds of changes, I think the two biggest changes where there was actually a story line for buck that was supposed to be interwoven with us and not got stripped out for time considerations. There was just not time for me to tell both story. And the second one when I sat down with me and we were working the story out, we realized we really need someone to come in and be kind of an antagonist and that that added in Valerie, which was so funny 'cause I loved working for Valerie I really liked writing for her. So they were all good changes a lot of fun to do but it. Definitely they were. There are a lot of them. I think one of the. Challenges Abby new. Guitar at this. You feel the same way is when you bring an idea to the team and you're excited about the idea, but then it goes through so many changes. Suddenly, it's an idea that wasn't what you brought in the first place and yet as a professional you need to write for it. Oh. Definitely. Yeah. In, some ways it's it's difficult and in some ways, it's a lot of fun because when the team starts brainstorming and they they start throwing out all these idea. you kinda catch the vision for them run and get excited about what this could be and not just what it is. You have to get over the fact that is not what you started with the. Exactly I work with a children's book writer and she says by the time she finally turns in her book. It is definitely over her thirtieth depressed and that the idea has changed quite a bit. But again, as you said, it's gotten better it's gotten honed-down down it's gotten stronger. What was some of the best advice you received as you were writing and rewriting this first episode? I got a lot of awesome advice from the whole team that the best thing about being the writers apprentices that you can learn from everybody everybody has something to pass onto. Everybody's got some little tidbits that they can help you out with. But I think there was one day we're down in Burbank in the recording studio and I sat down with Phil Lawlor and Phil lawler's great because you just have to get him started and and like ask one question and he'll go on this long long teaching moment for you and gives you all these answers is wonderful. It's the best thing ever. And he one of the things that he told me was to really embrace the cactus like lean into this even though it's there are parts of that are hard and parts of that are painful. Your your ego feels like it's getting kicked around a lot really lean in because that's where the growth will come And that's where things start to change, and that was really a pivotal moment for me and it was really helpful especially during that time to feel like, okay, I just need to lean in and this will get better and things will start to change. That's great advice and a lot of areas of life. Sadly. You did not get to attend the recording of your first episode even though you have attended a session, but you did get some updates from the session. What did you hear about the recording? I'll good things. Nathan was able to get me a video message from all the actors and the that we're in this particular episode, and they sent a video with a bunch of encouraging messages. Thank you, and that was really sweet of them and he also brought back a page from the studio scripts that they'd all sign for me some of a lot of fun I. I really enjoyed getting to hear from them and that was really encouraging for me. It's really cool and now it's time for one of my favorite parts of the podcast. It's Today's. Totally random question. So Maggie Beth asks if you could choose any mythical creature be which one would you be. Oh goodness I would be a phoenix. Very Interesting Jesse. So what would you have answered the? I you know I couldn't really think of anything but Pegasus. I thought to. The flying. Right yeah. Your fleet of foot on land and yet at the same time, you can really take off. There you go. All right. So very good. Moving right along. Like many of our listeners of Abba grew up listening to adventures and Odyssey did it ever cross your mind that one day you could be writing for us? Not at all. I, like you said I grew up on adventures modesty and I loved it but when we were kids we never had like the all the cool stuff that the kids nowadays get with the club and the podcast and stuff and what we did have. with the five hundred episode. and I remember loving that episode I listened to that episode on repeat the time because it was so cool getting here like the actors and all the behind the scenes and that was like my little glimpse into what you guys did I remember loving it and thinking wow, it would be so cool to work for adventures not to be. But that was like way long before I started writing myself and my mom would always tell me. You know you should be a writer and I was like you know typical teenager no mom you don't know like. And I didn't start writing until I was like eighteen and I got out of high school, and then I had to eat my words and be like all. Right. Well does funny how we do see things in our kids that they aren't often attuned to. Was the fact that she did start writing seriously until you're eighteen because maybe when you're in school you had to right so it wasn't as much fun. Maybe, I think I was just. Convinced that it just wasn't my thing I had written like little stories written Claes things like that and i. think it was just a lack of confidence on my part of like Oh like this. This is fun but I could never do it for real. You know it was only until I after I graduated that are really began taking it seriously and I think that was because I was bored honestly 'cause I had all like the schoolwork to do when I was younger and then I got Outta high school it was like okay. Now, what do I do all day? You we've been talking about your first show for adventures in Odyssey, but it definitely not your last and in fact, at the last recording session, half of the episodes recorded were yours. So I'm going to give you a title and you give us a spoiler free preview. Are you ready? Okay. Okay. I like this one the revenge of bigfoot. jae-in buddy take on mythical primates and.

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"phil lawler" Discussed on The Bellarmine Forum Podcast

The Bellarmine Forum Podcast

15:33 min | 2 years ago

"phil lawler" Discussed on The Bellarmine Forum Podcast

"Any there's a devil sitting at the table that one of these faiths placates makes deals with we used to call mammon. I think you know the Greeks had a word for some of this guy. you know the earth worship in you know some symbiosis between nature and man any progress together starts to sound a lot like till hard day Sharfuddin starts to sound a lot like law dot C in the end of the day though those of us who know that's our Lord in the blessed sacrament those of us who know oh his blessed mother is the triumphant leader she will lead people to her son. Those of us who know these things those of device who look for nuns dressed in habits who pray all the hours of the church who pray Farrah's who pray for priests who pray for the extent of the Church we look to continue those things in there the ones getting vocations the nuns who have given up a certain way of prayer and given up a certain way of dress. Yes they own hospitals. They do a lot of social justice but drawing invocations now. Are they drawing in much of anything. Maybe a lot of money. Maybe that's what some people are worried about so my humble pleaded Michael Matt as let's let's. Let's let's make the Hashtag. That's like yeah. Let's unite the clans. I loved the idea well. Let's united over to hell with communion in the hand to hell with symbolic realities to hell with encounter groups. All those things happened around Vatican two but not from that it can too because I'm before no the doctor-patient acted immediately with Vatican two but they didn't suddenly come up with that idea because of attic into right right that was in the in the in the found those ideas had been in the works before Vatican two in Vatican two had nothing to do with communion meaning hand. It was something happen just like Carl Rogers and the encounter groups in the H. M. Nuns out in California. The devil is made this other faith right under our noses enters those in the church that are flirting with it to exclusion. They tell us we have to change the way we pray changed the way we dress but they've been telling us for years. You have to believe the symbolic reality you have to believe. This is just a symbol of community they even change the language of the Church into Jargon Sid it becomes meaningless fluff and they call those of us who still insist on clear language clans they call us is rigid pseudo schematics because we won't get with the times we won't come sit at the table with that devil that everybody else's admiring well. I got news for you. I think Phil lawler's got it wrong. You know I don't I don't really fear the pope that he's not afraid of a schism because I'm GonNa tell you how I think it's going to happen. The Greek Orthodox claim that the event that solidified the break of the Orthodox doc from Rome. Let's throw away all the political reasons. Let's throw away the the the the fight between Byzantium Constantinople in in Rome. Just forget all about that. If you ask most people why Orthodox schism happened it was because quote the pope slapped photos. WHO's photos well? That was a guy a guy that was the embodiment he was the guy that stood for Byzantium idea in that's how the myth works when the pope slapped him. That was the end of the you know. I think that's what they're trying to set up today. Eh and I think a lot of people that are going to be ripe for this prank. Call it a prank because the father of lies sit the table in he makes pranks as a way to make other things happen you know in the truth movement stuff they talk about false flags or they talk about ops PSI ops and other stuff you look at the landscape of the church right now and there's a lot of prelates blitz who are friendly to the clan that are set up for their phobias moment. Historians say that photos may not have even existed. He may even been a real real guy but the way they wanNA push us out. They're going to create some guy who embodies all we want. You can think of several Arro- examples Cardinal Rennes A. Cardinal Sarah Sarah Cardinal Burke Bishop Schneider. Take your pick. They'll do something like slap him. Maybe take a hat away red hat that is maybe do something like that. Whatever it is it will be the moment that tempts people to the Orthodox get it? It'll be our focus moment. I don't think that through that's what's common. That's how it's all set up. I don't know win Dan. I don't know if it.

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"phil lawler" Discussed on Audio Theatre Central | Exploring Family Friendly Audio Drama

Audio Theatre Central | Exploring Family Friendly Audio Drama

05:14 min | 3 years ago

"phil lawler" Discussed on Audio Theatre Central | Exploring Family Friendly Audio Drama

"Show. Please leave your message after the tone. Central Dauphin peaky. Join Jim might Victorian. I guess today. I received a letter from big fans. Email this package for me today. Actually, just you mail. Well, if you would like to get in touch with us like these folks, did you can sit an Email to feedback and audio theatre central dot com. And as always you can comment on the show notes for each episode or send a text message or call two six two three six eight two seven seven zero. We had a lot of back on episode one ten our review of adventures, not a c sixty four and our interview with Phil Lawlor. And so we're going to go through some of that feedback today. I one we're going to talk about here's from Victor. And he said if radio theatre makes more productions that would be good, okay? Comes up on that Victor might there with you. He said, I would listen to the Corinthians drama. He was talking about in these referencing. Phil lawler. There would also be nice if they produced a story from early America or the civil war or something from the history of America. I that's interesting. Totally agree. I've never thought about. Radio theater doing something like this. But I'm totally onboard for it. That would be awesome. It would be an incident testing. I mean, they do all kinds of stuff, and you can't do everything. But it's interesting that they haven't done anything like that before. And it never dawned on me before. But when he mentioned that I had a really good idea radio theatre peeps. If you're listening lots to do. Yeah. We had a comment from Jackson. And he said, I really enjoyed the talk with filler also enjoyed album sixty four I think that the idea of a Corinthians. Focus on the family store would be awesome, sir. Buddy. Snow day wasn't my favorite. But the trash can live part was indeed funny. So I mean, I'm out numbered on that. Kinda about that whole thing, but ROY was on board for it. And so as Jackson so the trash can lead. That's what got us all. Then we had a comment from will said love hearing what Phil has to say he always has so much insight into what makes characters stories enter sting and his knowledge of the back story and history of AO from behind the scenes perspective is really enlightening read. That's why we haven't him. Oh, yeah. That off had comment about the potential producing more than twenty four episodes year caught me off guard. I'd be really happy if they increased their rate of production. I think I can speak on behalf of all three of us that caught us off guard as well when he said that like our ears all kind of perked up. I think we would all be happy about that. Yeah. Wouldn't who would? I think we've we've mentioned this before. I mean, he's the co creator of the series. He knows these characters probably better than anybody. So go to the source whenever you want to find out about that kind of stuff. Yeah. And our last comment was from John. And he said I love the throwbacks in the new episodes quote. This is a key unquote end quote, hold on. Nobody's having a baby. And those are both from our those are quotes from crash course, which references back to a license to drive. So he's right. Those are those are amazing when they did that. I love those points in the stories, and I think I think all long-term or longtime odyssey fans love it. Whenever there are call backs to yes. Yeah. He continues. Also, I love how did the trash can lids or buddy snowy day another vote. So I'm way out. He said personally I like pre album fifty one the best. So I love the references. So I guess he's he took it as a reference back to snow day as well with a trash can lead thing. So I guess not got no argument there. So thank you John will Jackson Victor for the feedback. Really? Appreciate that. Also really quickly wanted to say congratulations to Victor as his name was drawn in the in the giveaway for the young book. Nice still lawler's autograph on it. Very nice. So congratulations Victor. Well, if you have any thoughts any opinions on anything that we've talked about in this episode, be sure to let us know head over to ATI central dot com slash contact for all the ways to touch with us and the show notes with links to everything we talked about is at audio theatre central dot com slash one twelve also included a link to the Wikipedia article on the Saint Bartholomew massacre. If you wanna dig in a little deeper ROY suggested we're in head out the door, and we look forward to hearing from you, and we will talk at you in the next episode. Thank you so much for listening. Audio

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