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October 23, 2020: Christ Miracle Healing Shootout
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Cheese County deputies and members of a tight knit religious community. Let's go back to the morning of October twenty third nineteen, eighty, two to the small town of Miracle Valley near the southern border in Arizona. The weather was mild, but tensions were at a boiling point officers from the local sheriff's department stood tensely outside of the large compound of the Christ Miracle Healing, center and Church. The day before on. October twenty second, the officers attempted to serve arrest warrants on unpaid traffic fines to members of the group. But as they tried to enter the building about two dozen members of the group refused to let them inside. They claimed neither of the men in question had any traffic tickets and refused to negotiate. Now, authorities were unsure of how to proceed, but they feared escalating the situation animosity between the police and the church had been building for years. The Christ Miracle Healing Center in Church boasted around three hundred members totaling nearly two thirds of Miracle Valley's population. Since arriving in nineteen seventy, nine from Chicago members of the all black church clashed with the nearly all white community of Miracle Valley. The congregation wanted to preach their fundamentalist Christian teachings in peace. But outsiders derided them as a cult because of their strict beliefs and distrust of modern medicine. Then, in nineteen eighty tensions increased when the group began an armed security patrol in the community to ward off theft and vandalism. The action sparked fear in many Miracle Valley residents and made even some local authorities nervous some worried become too militant and non-members felt intimidated by the patrols presence. Then on April Twentieth Nineteen, eighty, two, six months before the standoff twenty or so members of Church got into a confrontation at the local high school after a church member was arrested for assaulting a female bystander the before the on campus scuffles soon, morphed into a massive brawl when authorities arrived to break up the fighting members of the Church carjacked nearby witnesses and fled into the blazing Arizona Desert. Authorities gave chase but were unable to apprehend the suspects before they made it back to the compound. The only way the men were finally caught was through the intervention of the state's governor Bruce Babbitt who personally reached out to Thomas for cooperation. Eventually, three members of the church were given prison sentences. By. That point trust between the community and the group had all but vanished. So when authorities tried to enter the compound on the morning of October twenty, third nineteen, eighty two to attempt to serve the arrest warrants a second time they were at their wit's end deputies nervously discussed the best course of action outside the compound thirty five officers from several different agencies and over a dozen cars waited on standby. Authorities were intent on avoiding any further escalation? The agencies reached a consensus to let one squad car just before dawn to apprehend the suspects in question they hoped that by that point, tensions might have deflated enough for a safe environment. According to authorities the morning of October twenty third, a single patrol car slowly entered the compound to deputies exited the vehicle and proceeded to go door to door looking for their suspects. As they walked to their next address, a car rolled up and angry church members filed out. Each of them carried improvised weapons, including Tire Irons, clubs, and wrenches. The group immediately surrounded the officer and berated them. It only took a few moments for things to spin out of control authorities claimed the members jeered at the officers and became aggressive even a few swings at them when they ran back to their squad car as the officers retreated, they radioed in for backup. Police. Warmed the compound while over a hundred members of the church came out of their houses to join in the conflict there was pushing and shoving punches were thrown and people were knocked to the ground in the commotion bystanders. saw. William Thomas Junior Pastor Francis Thomas son unload several long barrelled weapons from a nearby car moments. Later, the bullets started lighting. Up next members fall and the aftermath of the shootout. Listeners who doesn't love a good go story rattling chains mysteriously moving objects unfinished business I am ready for all things spooky and so is podcast network starting October. 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It takes time to research different true crime for each day of the year a lot of time. So when it comes time to turn off my brain and just relax, I go to best fiends the casual mobile puzzle game with over one hundred, million downloads and counting best is challenging match three game that has literally millions of five star reviews on the apple APP store and Google play I used to play here and they're like between. Recording sessions or while waiting in line at the store. But now I find myself playing more often because I enjoy it. So much I think what I like most about best fiends is that it's challenging without being so difficult that it's frustrating with over five thousand best fiends puzzles to solve. It looks like all never be bored again, download best fiends free today on the apple APP store or Google play. That's friends without the our best fiends. Now back to the story. On October twenty, third nineteen, eighty, two members of a local fundamentalist church in miracle. Valley Arizona engaged in a shootout with local authorities. Bystanders saw Pastor, Thomas's son William Thomas Junior reach into his car and pull out several rifles moments later gunfire erupted at the sound of the gunshots many of the church members screamed and fled the scene. But the fight was far from over it appeared that Thomas ran into the fray with one of the weapons and approached forty-five-year-old Sheriff's Deputy Race Thatcher according to the deputy Thomas pointed his weapon in their direction in that split second bachelor fired four rounds each striking Thomas. Moments later Thomas was dead on the ground in the Fray Thatcher said another church member fifty, two year old gus tate went to pick up the weapon fearing for his life Thatcher fired and additional four at tate. died instantly. People on both sides panicked moments after the to church members were killed authorities retreated. By the time the attack was over dozens of people were injured including seven deputies. Deputy Jeffrey Carl Brown suffered a bruised after being struck by Five Foot Long Pipe William Thomas Junior, and gust tate lay dead in the dirt. Hundreds of bullet casings littered the ground those left behind screamed while others cried most believed that the worst was over but to keep everyone safe authorities evacuated the remaining one, hundred fifty people living in Tau. In the next few tense hours authorities worried about additional violence but it never came after the dust cleared and the situation was deemed safe authorities launched an investigation into what happened. They called in the FBI to ensure an unbiased report. In the aftermath over ten members of the church were arrested and charged with a slew of offenses. There were conflicting reports about the events of the conflict authorities including deputy. Thatcher, stuck with their story of events. However, members of the church including pastor Thomas said things happened differently. Thomas claimed her son was shot in the back and that her followers were unarmed during the conflict. The members who face charges stemming from the shootout had their cases dismissed each one requested a public defender Coaches County stated they were unable to provide the defendants with lawyers citing a lack of funds. The judge had the option to dismiss the case with or without prejudice if they simply dismissed the case, the defendants could be retried down the line. However, the judge felt the prosecution's evidence was shaky at best and dropped the charges with prejudice. The entire ordeal was a black eye on the community most just wanted to move forward with their lives when it was all over the tensions that had been building over the years finally exploded and now everyone involved was forced to deal with the aftermath after all to church members had been killed in nineteen eighty-three, pastor Thomas and the group packed up and went back to Chicago Thomas later died in nineteen, ninety five. In two, thousand, twelve, thirty years after the shootout Pentecostal missionaries purchase the old church land in Miracle Valley they claimed Ghalib. Called on them to heal the land but not all scars fade. WHO Thanks for listening today and true crime. I'm Vanessa Richardson today and true crime is a spotify original from podcast. You can find more episodes of today in true crime and all other originals from last for free on spotify will be back with a brand new episode tomorrow in True Crime. Today in true crime was created by Max. Cutler. 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Vintage Christmas // We Three Kings (Part 4)
"Everybody this is keith lee. I'm the founding senior pastor of celebrate church in sioux falls south dakota and this is our podcast i just wanna say thank you for joining us and it is my prayer. That this week's message would truly encourage you enjoy. The pastor was preaching on christmas eve and his sermon went a little longer than usual. So glad that doesn't happen. In archerd thoughts were scattered and thus he just rambled on and on and on and it was a little difficult for everyone to follow after the service. One of the prisoners however surprised him and said pastor after. Tell you your sermon tonight. Reminded me of god's peace and his love not what he was suspecting right a little flatter now he commented wow really well also and his prisoners said well. It reminded me of god's peace in a way that surpassed all understanding and it was a lot like his love because it seemed to endure forever. But i want you to know that. I thanked pass to read for those comments and keeping with our christmas series. He'll get nothing for christmas. But i wanna i wanna take you to headlines and i want you to listen to them these two headlines that were actually in the front of two magazines very familiar magazines. One being u. s. a. Today and us news report in newsweek. Now i want you to listen to this. Because i want you to catch what what captured my attention. The first one read in search of christmas the second. One read the search for the sacred. America's quest for spiritual meaning. Not let me tell you why they really captured me because it brought me back to a reality that is in all of us and i really wanna cut. I want you to catch this. It's really all of us. Were seekers if you will actually pull back everything about our lives in why we do what we do. Even in our sinfulness. We're all looking for something. Everyone of us it was created it was put there and endowed by the divine where seekers the question is. What are we really seeking. What is it that we're really looking for. What is the quest and in the reasoning behind everything that we do now if you have your bibles i want to invite you to matthew to matthew to and we're in a series called vintage christmas we've talked about vintage. Mary vintage joseph. Of course the vintage shepherds. And now we're going to talk about the vintage wise men. Some no is the kings or the magic but whatever you wanna call them. I do want to simply state. We do not know how many we assume three because there are three gifts. We're going to talk about that in a moment but we don't know how many what we do know is they weren't local dudes and so with that being said matthew chapter two beginning in the first verse jesus was born in the town of bethlehem in judea during the time when herod was king when jesus was born some wise men from the east came to jerusalem they asked. Where is the baby who was born to be the king of the jews. I find that just interesting. These are pagan men coming from quite a distance away and they give him already title. We're gonna talk about that in a moment. But they ask. Where's the baby who was born to be the king of the jews. We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him when king herod heard this he was troubled now. Don't miss this as we're all the people in jerusalem right. These guys have made some noise and they're talking about the very one. The entire hebrew world is waiting for no wonder. They're all troubled. Herod called a meeting of all the leading priests and the teachers law and ask them whether christ was to be born they answered of course they answered they would know this in the town of bethlehem in judea. The prophet wrote about this in the scriptures but you bethlehem in the land of judea are not just insignificant village in judea but a ruler will come from you who will be like a shepherd for my people israel than herod had a secret meeting with the wise men and learned from the exact time they i saw star. He sent the wise men to bethlehem saying look carefully for the child. When you find him come tell me so. I can worship him to. After the men heard the king they left the star that they had seen in the east went before them until it stopped above the place where the child was. when the wise men saw the star. They were filled with joy. They came to the house with a child was. They saw him with his mother. Mary and they bowed down and worshiped him. They open their gifts and gave him treasures of gold frankencense moore but god warned the wise men in a dream not to go back to herod so they returned to their own country by a different way. I wanna give you if you will four things. These wisemen did to understand what it really means to seek something and to find something. That's worth looking for you with me. Met so these are four things. These wise men did that. I think we need to do in really discovering christmas. Here's the first thing. I want you to write down. They sought they sought once again. Look at versus one and two after jesus's birth. I want to stop there and just take us back the last week. Notice the after christmas sale. Okay or hate. after jesus's birth notice. Christmas comes after. I'll say what i said last week and closing. Jesus didn't come to a birthday to blood his candles. He came to be born to be your savior to blow your candles. He wants us to be if you will have a new birth birth in him. So after jesus's birth wise men from the east arrived in jerusalem. Asking where is he who has been born king. We observed his star rising in the east and have come. We have come now to write this down. Because i want to give you three things that you need to know about a genuine seeker someone. Who's really seeking something and they're going to find it and you need to catch this. Here's the first thing about genuine seeker. They're always looking around. They're always watching. They're always alert. they're always observant. They're always looking around seat. You will miss the sign of the time if you're not looking for it it's just a fact of life you need to be looking. These guys were educated men. Do not miss this okay. They knew the stars. This is important. You catch this. Because if they didn't know the stars they would have never noticed. That one was different. These were educated right where they were. They would look up in the sky and they began to sing. If you will sort of that sesame street song you know what i'm talking about. One of these things is not like the other one of these. things just doesn't belong. Can you tell me which star is not like. They had to know the reality of their world to recognize something was out of place. I contend one of the problems in our world. Today in the reason we're not very good seekers we've gotten so numb and so lazy in her world. We don't even see something place right in front of us. We've grown accustomed to the wrong things. A genuine seekers always looking around. Here's the second thing a genuine seeker they asked questions. They're not always just looking. They ask questions for it is in the question that you actually discover. The answer is it not. We say it all the time. The only dumb question is the one that never gets passed. Anytime you ask a question. You're seeking something and yet how many people are afraid to ask. Because they don't want appear like they don't know while the reason you're asking because you know so you have to ask questions not listeners. Don't miss this. Their questions didn't start in bethlehem when we read the story what we do and i think we do wrongly. We quickly jump ahead and so they come into jerusalem and they start asking. Where's he but i wanna take you back. If they would never ask the questions they will never gone to jerusalem. You with me on this. The question started back in the east. Now why is this important. This one's gonna hurt but don't miss this. If you're not asking what is going on then you will ultimately be the person saying. Why is this happening to me now. Right right i. I want to say in one of the great problems in life is when you don't start back win you'll always wine in the moments now. I hear a lot of christians. Well if god's such a loving god will you should have said that in the answer a long time ago do you see the problem is i sometimes wonder if that's a statement that i really don't know what i've discovered yet. These guys were asking questions looking up in the stars they had no idea it was connected jesus but it started with going. Hey what's going on here. That doesn't look like it should. And that drove them to looking for the answer by looking for the answer their education grew and the more that they sought somewhere in the midst of they're seeking the scriptures were opened up and they said wait a minute. Wait a minute. The bible says the prophet. Say that this star might have something at the end of it and question. After question took them on a journey that they would ultimately find. Jesus did you catch that. Genuine seekers are always asking question. Because they're always in search of truth. Now here's number three a genuine seeker. Well then do whatever they have to to find the answer. They're always looking. They're always observant. And in that the question start getting asked and when they start really seeking. They're going to do everything and anything to find the answer. Now my question is how about you. Just just play with me here. These guys were pagan guys. They weren't followers of jesus yet. They're gonna make roughly nearly a thousand mile journey to a place. They've never been looking for someone they don't believe in and all they have is a star. You with me okay. I say that to say this the religious scholars of that day right. The jewish bast. Their wise men were all concentrated in jerusalem. There only six miles away from two thousand years of prophetic instruction that they knew that they understood and yet we have nothing written that they did anything. Herod brings him in and says. Hey hey hey hey these these these dudes from the east want to tell me what that's about and they quote the prophet and yet do nothing by way of response now. I say that to say this. Because i told you this is gonna hurt. We have an additional two thousand years and the rest of the bible. And i look at our world today and we seem awful distant from the one that we say and confess as lord. How far will you go to know. And what costs are you willing to make in search f. jim elliot said he is no fool. Who will give up what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. He is no fool who will give up what he cannot keep which is pretty much everything we have to gain that which he cannot lose. How are you willing to go see. These wiseguys knew that there was something so special about this star pointing them to jesus and that knowledge of discovery was worth doing whatever it would take. That's pretty amazing right. Yes now let me bring it back a little discussion. I think we wanna know truth. I believe that with all my heart. I just don't think we want to make the journey to find it. Because i've discovered it's so much easier to search google than it is to see god and google isn't the word it's so easy. Isn't it to pick up our phones. To go to our computer then distill ourselves and talked to the one who really matters. I think we want the experience. We just don't wanna make the effort but the bible says in jeremiah. Twenty nine when you search for me with all your heart you will find me. He is no fool who will give up what he can not keep to gain what he cannot lose. What's going through your mind. Those people don't want to sacrifice to look at. It's actually make sacrifice to look because they're probably gonna see something that they want to see and it's human nature not to see the truth not to see yourself who you are will always hiding those things from the world from ourselves from everybody from our families and if you actually seeking the truth you're going to have to face some painful facts about yourself and think we don't want to look into ourselves face those things that we don't like about ourselves those things that we don't want to admit that. Hey you know what yes. This is me. This is who i am and i don't like what i see and will always feel for the things that we don't like and the things that we don't wanna see. I think it's fear it's fear revealing ourselves to the world revealing ourselves to ourselves more than anything else because once we do that then we can have an honest conversation about amazon seeking god. You're right on michael. I in my life that way. I think we've become a people that are trivial pursuit rather than truth pursuit. And so we fill ourselves with trivia and so it's easier to ask alexis than to ask. God god's answer as you said might not be the one i want where you'll or whatever other thing. I searched for that. Just gives me information but doesn't make examine me as a person and what's really going on in the depth of my heart. I want to stay on the surface. And that's why i'll keep a trivial. Yes show you the hollywood side. I'm pretty comfortable in my mr miserable ness. I guess if i could say that's out being comfortably miserable. I want to find that truth. That you're talking about my could at my time in where i was at. I could tell you everybody else's truth and fault. I wasn't about tab. Search for mind reading in psalms the need David said We're not centers because we send we send because we're centers were born in. We're inherent our children. I'm we have to teach them to do right that then. There comes a time where we don't really want to see what is true in righteous or call that off. I spent years doing that. And then when you finally do seek the truth and you do find the truth that is truly painful but how powerful it is that Each day can be filled with joy after that that there's that transformation that happens so here. These wise men sought we need to learn. What does it really mean to seek. Here's second thing they saw. That's what happens when you truly seek. You're gonna find. They saw. now listen. This is the great news about christmas. You ready for it. God put stars in the sky. He doesn't hide them. He puts them right in plain sight. And i don't want you to miss this. You see lost people matter. We say it all the time in this church lost people matter. The bible says in second peter. God is not late with his promises. He's restraining himself. Stop and think about those words. He's restraining himself on account of us holding back the end times because he doesn't want any one lost. That is a great word and that includes these guys. This is what i want you to hear. you see. i need to ask a question. Who put the star in the sky. God it was god who put the star in the sky. Why would he do that because these guys matter. Even though they're a million miles away they still matter and no matter how far you think you are from god you still matter to god and he still put stars in the sky right in plain view. That's who god is. He put signs. He puts clues. That's who god is see. I told you this is the great news about christmas. He put stars in the sky. Don't miss this for you. See if you really are searching for him you will find him and you why because he's already been searching for you he's way out in front of you. That's how much you matter to him. The question is are you looking for the stars. Are you so still wrapped up in all your shame. The bible tells us that the religious leaders never saw jesus even though he was standing right in front of them in plain sight never saw him. Now why do i say that. Because i still think that happens today we just have come through a year twenty twenty. I listen to a lot of god's people who talk a lot about a pandemic talk a lot about what they've lost. Talk a lot about all the stuff that surrounds it. I'm gonna hear him talking about jesus. Because i'd like to believe that crisis whole lot bigger than cova just depends what you're looking at and what you're looking for. You see how it works. These wise men truly were seeking and in their search. They found it they saw it. They saw the star and that star would lead them to something quite amazing. We'll talk about that in a moment. What's going through your mind like we talked about this a couple of weeks ago about what we look for is what we see or what we find is an active process of looking even like in our daily routines. Like when we're driving and you just kinda miss things then you are intentional. About looking at the sunset are looking at the stars. It's like oh my goodness. I s- amazing but as fat active actually actively looking. You have to look to find it. It's exactly what i was thinking about. Like how many times you drive home at night you go. Did i just run red light like you. Just go on you. Go the exact same route every single day. You don't even know how you got there. We go through our life the same way. How many times is there's someone standing right next to you on the street and you don't even notice them the i i mean i think kinda just to piggyback on the obviously there's so much going on in the world and it's easy to see all the bad things and i think people get so focused on that that they miss the good things that happen. I mean going through covid you know lately like the outpouring of people that were helping and checking in and those things. It's just amazing and like even though there's bad things going on it's there's still so much good and you just have to look for it. Just have to see it. It's there it's a good word you guys know that that old adage that we used to or probably still say today you know you have two years one mouth. There's a reason for that. How can we don't ever stop and go and you have to is. It's so easy to turn on the television and listen to all the bad things. Instead of opener is in that god is still sending stars. He still doing amazing things. Look out probably. Jesus said what we say it all the time. The is the lamp of the body. And the is are bad. The whole body is bad. We need to change our perception. He's still good. He's still putting stars in the sky and if we will go looking for them we will see them and so here comes these wise men and so we all know that they sought they saw the star and by their sheer obedience. They they if you will they follow that star and guess who they find jesus and the third thing they did was surrender they surrendered they dot just surrendered to jesus they actually we could say. They surrendered to the leading of that star. That would lead them to. Jesus now i want to. I want you to consider a thought. I'm gonna po something that i said last week. That by way of Sort of putting something on the pallet of your of your taste in that. I think we have gotten the story wrong and i want to offer you something because to me. It fits more of the gospel narrative. That i don't believe that these wise men came to give gifts to jesus. I think they came to surrender. There's i don't think they're presenting treasures. To jesus i think they're surrendering their treasures to jesus it fits more look what the bible says verse eleven. When the man the wise men went into the house they saw the child with his mother. Mary and they bowed down and worshiped him. What is worship but inactive. Surrender something completely transformed inside them that they went from pagan kings pagan wise men to now being if you will followers because only a christian if you will worship and worship and actor surrender but look how. The words clarify that. By the way they follow. They then opened their treasure chest and they offered him. I don't think they're coming to give gifts to jesus. I think they're coming to surrender. There's i think we've had the story wrong. See to offer something means to cease resistance and submit to an authority. That's what it means to offer to surrender to something. It's synonymous with. Words like to yield concede to give up oneself. This is the posture that's required. You don't become a follower without surrendering and we like to say what you need. Invite christ in your heart. i. I'm trying to really if you will change that. God doesn't want to be invited. Our heart he gave us an invitation that we'd be in his heart and that means you gotta surrender you. That's an act of surrender and yet i think that's a problem because we like to negotiate don't we we like to barter as some. That's gonna work with god. no tell you what. Here's what i'd like you to do. He's like s already been done. I'd i'd die or no deal and therein lies a problem isn't it we kind of like if you will. I think we get the words wrong. When he says come to heaven as a child he's talking about the heart of a child with wonder he's not talking about the process of a child. The oldest to be gone new has come so my question is have you surrendered. Have you really fully submitted everything. Jesus is not a process. It's a posture or to bow or to worship. And then surrender. Our gifts are treasures thirteenth century. Pastor thomas campus said this without the way there is no going without the truth. There is no knowing without his life. There is no living. It's all founded him everything and so they sought. They saw they surrendered. What's going through your mind. I think it's a for at least for me. Say ongoing journey yourself for example. When i called as you've made the statement i invited jesus into my heart. Okay i was small fibers kind of thing while at that point. I just rented what i understood at that point but then as you get older you begin to seek more being to hear more understand more okay and so it's a concentrate even in my life now. I'm still perfectly got all the time. Is there any area. My life or show me areas of my life that i'm still holding this onto kind of thing and when that is okay. Okay here it kind of thing. So it's it's not a once and it's done you know jury. I think what the church is made it. Unfortunately is that. Oh yeah i check that list off i. I did that now man. It's an ongoing because there's always parts within my hidden heart. She said michael that still down there. Okay and it's and that's the journey of at ten. So that's why. I love this story because the more i do that more wise i become in god's eyes and understand his i think for me i've become more cognizant of that as myself every day. Is this something that i that i need to do that. What do i need to do. I ask them. What do i need to do because in my line of work. It's very very hard to forget that you know. I've been a correctional officer. And so i see the worst in people every day. You know. I see them at their lowest point every day so there are days when it can get pretty pretty intense and i will forget what i'm there for and then i have to step back and ask him so god my do you had me where i need to be right now and so i have to look inside myself. Costly costly costly. Am i doing what i need to do. And i know in ninety two due to go along this journey. So i think that's powerful daily examination in i. Wear you want me to be him. I do might be. Sometimes i stop and pause many times throughout the day might be. I don't know about you guys. But i love crab steering wheel every once in a while. I think i got this for right now and immediately i get a crash immediately. I get woke up and get to see you still suck dude you need. You need to pause. Let god take the wheel. He has to be the pilot co-pilot he has to lead my life every bit of it. I surrendered all or you as well. Just dive right back into doing that. Stuff skewed off into narrow. They were six miles off target of where they knew about jesus. They knew that something was coming but they were six miles away from the target. And here's some guys that didn't even know about it. How they hit. Why because of their obedience because they were searching because they were looking they saw they sought to find. They didn't seek to just show somebody. Yeah that's a good word they sought to find. I think we need to ask ourselves. What what i said last week. What are you looking for. He's not a solution to our problems. Because that in a moment is saying. Well i need jesus when i have problems we need to look in the mirror and realize we're the problem he he didn't come to solve the problem. He came to be savior of our lives. We always have a problem. It's us and only jesus is the kear so these guys saw they. They surrendered but finally they savored. And this is what i really want you to get. When they entered the house and saw the child with his mother they bowed down in the worship. They worship they worshiped. Have you ever lost anything. Dhamma like the keys to your car a wallet your marbles. We can help you that if a child we did at disney. This is a true story. We're hanging out at epcot in jordan. We we don't have jaden at this point if she does. I think she's a baby. Okay but jordan's a little thing and we're all hanging out moving from one side of the party other when my mom turns and says where's jordan she was gone. You talk about panic setting in keys car. I don't care verified him wallet you can keep it when you lose a child and you is what i love about about disney when you lose a child. It's personal the. It's their losses. Well and here's what you need to know about dizzy. When a child reporting missing the park closes no one leaves. No one comes in to that child is found. It is lockdown and it goes crazy. Every disney employee is on full alert. But i have to tell you when they called us and said we have your child. I i get emotional day the joy. Oh the joy that floods are soul arrow. We walk in. Of course it's disney. So i mean they. They understand children. I mean jordan looked like she wasn't even missing what i mean. We ran right up to her. She's like you know were. I mean they had her completely taken care of that man. We're we're weeping. Tears were holding our little girl the joy. Oh the choi that floods are soul and yet what amazes me is. Why don't we have that same when it comes to understanding what it means to be lost. Because that's what god feels towards us on were found. I want to read you a story that jesus said out of fifteen it precedes. You might know the famed prodigal story. Suppose a woman has ten silver coins and loses one which not light a lamp and sweep the entire house in search carefully until she finds it and when she does she will call all over friends and the neighbors and say rejoice with me. Because i have found my lost coin was last time we told someone i was lost and i'm found rejoice with me. I'm a child of the king. He there something drastically missing in the church today. So here's what i've come to understand. You will never understand the joy of what it means to know. Jesus until you fully grass the joyousness you have without him. That's why i think some people look at him like you know a rogers rate and in state farm. You know somehow that. I got this insurance and it sort of covers. So i've got the jesus thing checked off angle back to living like i i wanna live. It don't work that way people. He's not life insurance. He's life okay and yet do we really under stand that. Do we understand that in math. Youtubers tenants has when they saw when they saw when they saw. They rejoiced with exceeding great joy. I mean they were a static. I see i see these men just weeping tears over come with emotion not because of a thousand mile journey is because the journey is now ended. We've found everything that we were looking for. Is that you this christmas. What are you searching for. What are you seeking for. Is it god star. You fully surrendered really and like these men. Now savoring your discovery. I want to close us. Something and i want to pose some questions to you but before i do. What's going through your mind as far. I think there's something really emotional that you know when you're telling us for about jordan and then example of some we forget how far we've come and how far lake goddess changed us but to really think back to like our valley moments where we were broken. And we're like maybe we found jesus like that is an emotional thing like just thinking about like where was my life and it was broken fascinating came here and i just remember like weeping and just feeling so broken bow lake the gratitude that like bubbles up on me thinking back to that like that should be a more regular occurrence to think about that and savor. It was like i was so broken. Like but then i think we we become followers and really okay. We just kind of forget. Like how god's brought us no but saver. I like that word. How far is brought us. And then we'll dig up a half or you can take us. I don't think we look that the he's brought us to this point so then i'm good but we don't think we don't look at it can take me further. I can go further. I can keep going. Keep going keep going. That's the question. I can keep going. It doesn't stop here this continues like you said it's it's it's a journey continues. It's an endless journey. We wouldn't wanna look at it from that point. There's no point. there's no end point to this flipping. This is important to wisdom. That's why i look at it. Like you said they were seekers of knowledge. Want anything else. And they'll knowledge is infinite. Wisdom is infinite. You know we can always keep acquiring knowledge but we have to be able to use knowledge in the purpose of this. I think about when that when that gift was given to me almost six years ago. How can i give this gift away. Most important thing right there. How can i get this gift away like you said last week. Did you just wrap everything up and put it away. I can't wrap this up and put it away. I have to give this out or i'm not being obedient so on a daily basis. Who father are you bringing. Who can i speak with your words. Just want a blessing. I love that thought. Because we've all experienced s or maybe even done it where we gotta gift and then we re wrapped it and gave it a wedding gift. Okay got four of them. I think that kind of thing but the beauty of christmas and understanding for me is that you know the gift that the you got to get that we all got what god now asked to do is re wrap that gift in our skin and give it give it away to somebody else saying that you had and that's that's the that's the joy of it. It's been said that the two most important days in one's life is the day you're born in the day you discover why the most two important as in your life the day you're born and the day you discover why and that's what christmas is really all about. Only he can fill the void only he can. It's why these men came looking. I believe with all my heart because everybody has avoid that only. Jesus can fill. It doesn't matter how far your way six miles or one thousand miles. I don't believe that all the astrologers came that day but these ones did because they they could fill the emptiness and they started looking around even their education. it wasn't enough and something was different and began to look. They began to seek asking questions doing whatever it took. I know something's missing. But how many people they quite that voice. They push it aside. I'm comfortable things are good. God didn't call us to be good. He calls to be god. He wants us like him and they start making journey and they surrender to it and it changes them. And that's what i want you to miss. Because they saw something that didn't fit something that wasn't right and the resolve to investigate turned into a sacrificial adoration which resulted in a personal transformation. And they were changed forever. And i can. I can own that. Because the bible says and having been warned in a dream bygone they returned by the way watches. They returned to their country. They returned notice that remember that last week god always takes us the out of the ordinary to meet the extraordinary to go back in the ordinary. Because that's where that's where the gospel happens. But they returned to their country by another route. Illicitness i think. There's two key meetings to this. They went home and other way geographically but they went home another way spiritually and the reason why because when you really see christ you will find him and when you find him you'll never be the same. Hugh will never be the say and he could be standing in front of you right now. But you won't see him unless you really looking for him but when you see him. Things are going to be different. I love this. You cannot encounter. Jesus the living god and the savior inexperience his unconditional. Love and forgiveness. Remain the same. Oh you probably falter. We can easily return our own ways correct but even in that. There's a sense of. Oh my goodness i blew that. What was i thinking. That's the voice of god. Saying oh god always doing us to a deeper walk always willingness to more of a surrender. Always if you will putting us in the fire that were made in the likeness of who he is so the day you're born and the day you discover. Why do you know why really know why. I wanna pray. I'm gonna ask that. You would just buy your heads wherever you're at father. I love this story. I like the identification of who they were not just madge. I not just these. These far eastern kings men what made him wise. They want to know this unbelievable deep sense that there's a void and i i know it can be filled and they start looking. They start searching and they saw something that was different something they'd never seen before and they begin to follow it and it leads right to where you are in the bottom line. Is you said if you seek me you will find me and their lives are forever changed over the joy god i. I wondered that day. When we're face to face with you it will be introduced to these men and how many lives were transformed because of what they saw going back to where they were from. How many more surrendered to you. Because of the words of these wise men goddess the same at our lives. You're still putting stars in the sky. Are we looking for. This was not one event in a moment of time. We can all experience what they experienced. The savior's been born and like last week. What an after christmas. He'll well we look what we seek. What are we seeking and is it. You are lies will never be the same in. Jesus name amen. Thanks again for listening to hear more messages. Like this one. Make sure to subscribe in. Check out our podcast channel for pass messages. And if you like what you're hearing consider rating it evening sharing it with your friends. 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Connecticut VA Opens Its Doors To 'Bad Paper' Veterans
"Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from internet essentials from Comcast. Connecting more than six million low income people to low cost high speed internet at home. So students are ready for homework class graduation and more. Now, they're ready for anything. Hundreds of thousands of veterans have so called bad paper, meaning they received other than honorable discharges. Now that used to mean, no benefits, no healthcare from the department of veterans affairs. Even when the problems that got them kicked out of the military were linked to combat trauma. The VA has changed its policy at now. Let's these veterans get mental health care. One state has gone even further NPR's quil. Lawrence reports from Connecticut, Northfield congregational is a little white New England church steeple, just north of Westport, Connecticut. And about a dozen kids are here for an after school program. Thomas Burke is the youth minister. And he speaks their language. Oh, you got it. All. This is miraculous in Berks estimation. He never thought he'd be able to work with kids because my PTSD stems from a traumatic event where I failed children Burke served in the Marine Corps in two thousand eight he lost a close friend in Iraq and came home, troubled. He thought about suicide but better still another combat deployment within the same year. He was in Afghanistan because then if you die your hero past sins and transgressions are wiped away because the only thing that you remembered for is that you gave your life in service to your country Burke was a good marine he'd been sent to learn Pashto before he deployed to southern Afghanistan. He was living close to civilians and he connected with them. And one of the things that the local kids. I'm not sure showed you this picture in the photo Burke is twenty years old in combat gear. But smiling clearly at home playing with fifteen laughing Afghan boys on a dusty road. He says he loved them one of the other things they did was they would either tell us where I dis. Where or they would bring them to us. They would actually bring us bombs on one of those occasions. They were actually praying us in RPG and ended up exploded on them eight of the kids from that photo were dead because they were trying to help him, and we add to go clean it up. And we did Burke went into a spiral. He says the local has Sheesh was plentiful and many soldiers used it Burke got caught and suddenly a promising young marine was getting kicked out. He was flown home to his home base in Hawaii where a mix of prescriptions and street drugs made things worse took a plane to Connecticut and slit, my wrists and a state park veterans with an other than honorable discharge have higher rates of suicide there at higher risk of homelessness mental health. Issues snowball with economic ones employers ask about discharge status. So it's hard to find a good job PTSD or traumatic brain injury those need specialized treatment, very expensive with. Out a job or VA healthcare VA estimates. There are about five hundred thousand vets with other than honorable discharges. Thomas. Assadi is Connecticut's Commissioner for veterans affairs. These individuals up till now denied clinical support services and other programs and benefits, and in many cases may have resulted in a worsening of their condition. Saudi says these vets need to be helped before a crisis. And that might now happen in part because of the efforts of veterans like Thomas Burke, after his failed suicide attempt, the VA made a rare exception, and he was able to get services Burke started down a different path to become a pastor, and he joined a push to change the law around other than honorable discharge. He found allies in the state legislature. Like Republican Representative Brian older also a combat vet when we testified before the veterans affairs committee hem, and I were sitting right next to each other. And I said the only difference between Thomas and is a piece of paper. Or one that says honorable discharge and the other says other than honorable it took years of lobbying, but as of last month, Connecticut veterans whose other than honorable discharge is linked to PTSD or brain injury or sexual assault. They will qualify for state healthcare and benefits. I hope that Connecticut can be the the standard bearer for New England and certainly the nation. It already is Connecticut Senator Chris Murphy pushed through legislation this year that makes VA mental health care available nationwide to veterans with other than honorable discharges. Though. It has been slow to roll out for pastor Thomas Burke, it's been part of his recovery to the point where he can work with the youth choir. Having the opportunity to work with children fills me with the spirit and life. Enjoy because it also makes me recognize how far I've come from the person who got back from war. Lawrence NPR, news, Northfield, Connecticut.
The General | Part 1
"What you're about to hear is based on actual events listener discretion is advised? He walks the muddy streets of the rural African shantytown had held high back straight hands swinging by his side's like sledgehammers though he is terrified terrified that someone may meet his gaze and recognize him for who he used to be he strides forward without apparent. Trepidation whatever will be will A. B. and whoever should try to strike him down best you it from a distance and via bullet he is reborn. Yes yes but not turned meek and although he is certain that is Lord and Savior has accepted him into the light. He knows that many still along to see his eyes go flat. And for the hundreds of unrest spirits to flock from the shadows of the underworld to swarm him him before he can reach the pearly gates I remember a time of great evil. The large man says S. Holding the Bible in front of him just over top of the pulpit. His fingers bled along the back of the book as dark as the warned other covering the walls walls of the church are lightly yellowed stucco maybe older than all the faces looking at him from the rose of warm plastic chairs and then again maybe not. The windows are tidy square holes into the walls at even intervals and haven't held glass in a long time before this church was consecrated after the fighting the pastor. I told him a farmer down the road used for stabling and storage where we brothers in Christ and brothers and country turned and against each other lack devils. He continues a few of the men nod but most of the women don't even look at him. The people in the room are dressed in a mix six of traditional and western styles with the women mostly draped in loose colorful fabric in the men mostly cloudy genes and two button polo shirts. You Uh many of you know my name. He says. The nods are more frequent now and spreads the crowd amongst the women as well some some of the mutter under their breath but the priest pastor Thomas Clears his throat loudly in the muttering subsumes. Joshua Bligh the man once called general unrolled butt naked nods. The priest continues on still holding out the Bible. You know the evil I have done. You have seen it in the streets. Perhaps with the television you have heard it in the news you have maybe even God forgive me. mm-hmm suffered through it yourself. He scans the eyes and sees is in turn men and women some interested in most mainly board. They are here instead. Stead of where they want to be in a Sunday like any penitence but he does not see the fire of revenge in any of their faces. The clear number will gaze of those who know they truly know what is done because he has done it to them inside his heart. He breathed a sigh of relief. Continues yes we all remember a time of great evil but I remember a time of evil before all that because when I was a child the devil came to me and said he was a god of my people a creature named John Elway. Who would make me me a powerful priest if I did? Evil in his name is a small shock. Laugh of child from within the audience that he ignores my tribe was behold into this creature who would make powerful priests of the first born children of our tribe but to gather this powerful ourselves. We had to draw the blood of the innocent women. Young men children were best BBC. Even this draws a gasp from the crowd as he expects today's in the first or last time for this speech he gotten good at it better really since he he carded out its earliest iterations for the Truth and Reconciliation Council but it was in those earliest days of new life in the late nineties running for the new government. Government is little army dead in scattered. That he I thought all these things up. The people are rapt with attention. Now because this is what all the truly religious this attend church for they wanNA hear the vicious and Karnal the awful and so he begins to try it out for them he tells them about his villages God and assorted history knowing none of them would ever have come into contact with the members of his small community enough to call him on his his truce. Their faces Zor open horrified interested. I'll save want a boy at the back of the room is bare. Chest shines with sweat despite the relatively actively mild early morning heat he occasionally glances at bly and when he does he's smiling chuckling laughing and exchanging low words with another another boy sitting beside in that. Like you can't see it was. It was a custom of my village to determine a boy's worth at the age of nine to participation in a great Malay a battle royale that would determine the value of the winner. The Wall who fought bravely would be admitted into the circle of elders. This is a victory I one and so I was taken before the throne of the Mayo. custodes power on me. Unlike any you might think to believe. Kill the boys. Laughing has grown like barely himself speak peak lies yelling now. Trying to talk over it the Penitence and the little mud and stone church are fully invested. Thinking is raising volume as part of the show he rises to casino. Finally slamming the Bible down on the little pulpit hard enough to make the things shake violently on its slender metal support. There is silence in it. He looks through the crap. All the men and women have their eyes on him rapt with attention regardless of whether or not they believe or even care you to believe in his story the magnetism of his words withdrawn them which is always been the trick. Draw people to like iron fillings through the mud. Did he looks to the back row again. Sees more boys now for a total of five and all of them are hushing each other and rubbing shoulders. He could see see every face and they are all vaguely familiar. Save for the center. Most this boy skin black charcoal streaked with dirt sits with his face hidden behind the tall yellow head. Wrap of tired. I'd woman nursing a baby though he is silent. Shoulders shake with barely contained laughter. As if he senses blaze's attention he stops leans slowly to the side revealing his bald head and the smooth unreal contours of his face and his eyes ice holy black and perfectly round peeled back like spiders. Are you familiar with lime town. The acclaimed number one. PODCAST is now the best new series on streaming the video and it's only available on facebook. Watch lime town is a show that follows the mysterious disappearance of over three hundred men women and children all without a trace in the fifteen years since not a single survivor has been located. It contains elements from all of your favorite genres drama suspense crime and even a touch of Scifi. Best of all Jessica Biel takes on another incredible role for this series as an investigative instigated reporter who goes searching for answers. Her performance in this intense story will leave you speechless as she unravels the unsettling truth behind the disappearance. If you're looking for a great new series you need to watch lime town now streaming only on facebook watch the boys move in waves around him making him think of water sloshing in a bucket his feet. It felt unstable since the third hit and now he feels like he is in that bucket himself unable to find purchase on the slippery. Any plastic bottom the boys dance and he spends pushed by their current clutching the little plastic shopping bag full of loose bills bill to his chest. Then last hit comes his vision graze and he falls to the ground half expecting to see water surging up around found him sucking him down into the muddy earth but it is midsummer and hot. The ground is dry enough to fill the air around him with a soft cloud of dust that settles lightly over his purple suit. The boy standing closest to him a bare chested criminal of child named Momo is grinning winning. His gap toothed. Smile hangs in place over the back of Joshua's stolen money next time you see me you better just give me what I want. The boy says his face getting serious. He raises his chin. I am the boss around here. Purple Boy Away with that P and the others run toward the road through the alley. They dragged him through. They are all maybe fourteen at the oldest Joshua's twelve. He sits for awhile looking through the alley at the shapes of people passing in the heat people he was only a short shortwhile ago selling cups of Koolade and nice to some of them. Maybe saw him get dragged back here but it wasn't something they wanted to get involved in. They had places to be better things to do than look after the young. Boy Hawking Kool aid his Godley purple suit. Eventually he stands stands and makes his way back to the drinks. Stand he'd set up. It was all still in place. Say for the ice in the cooler beside his little chair. Ten or so minutes of arguing with Momo than being dragged into the backyard of the nearest shop for a beating had been more than enough to melt his ice down to slush rush. It takes a couple of the watery eyes for himself and sits legs sprawled out and takes SIP. There is an odd taste to the water. They he looks at the Cup and sees tendrils of bright red spreading around in the plastic. He touches his face and realizes his nose is bleeding. Not not badly but bad enough. He watches the blood spread in the water touch longer and then drinks it all down forcing himself to finish so hard certain fast. It gets a coldness ache. He sets the cup down and rubs his forehead eyeing the people walking past from beneath the bridge of his fingers. Then he wipes his nose clean and flicks the blood and the dust. A woman comes up to the stand. And he's all smiles again like flipping a switch then. Then he's backed pouring the KOOL aid and pocketing. The money's like nothing has happened at all mm-hmm but he doesn't forget Momo and the others not the first time he's been targeted but by far the worst it's just something that happens in Liberia. In Africa there are the bullies and there are the bullied and everybody knows that the governor knows that he takes what he wants from the people in the warlords and the warlords know that and they take what they want from the people and their generals and the generals know that and they take what they want from the people and their soldiers. It's like being a rat sometimes the way he has to pick after scraps in the corners corners. Nobody else wants to visit. And at any time you might be robbed by the other rats but if that happens then you are lucky. Because at least they didn't kill. Oh you because at least they aren't the cat. He drops his things at home and makes up a story for his mother about how school went that day. Josh was brother gives him a look that suggests he shouldn't make the same excuses in that direction or ask for an alibi if he needs to lie. The questions questions continue. But he dodges them and as soon back outside dress now and the more sensible clothe he was supposed to wear to school simple dress slacks. The Nice white button up shirt. His mother had spent a considerable amount of money on. He walks and things about his money the money in the bag he was going to use to buy some of the drugs. He's heard people talking about on the street. He doesn't really care to do them. Wants to have them on hand to talk about or pass South the real criminals downtown in his mind he thinks of himself as a powerful warlord. The head of a tribe of wise men and killers who all look up to him him he tells nobody about stream this delusion because it's so far from the truth it's terribly embarrassing it stuff. He's made up up listening to old wives tales and scary stories from the Bush about Cannibal tribes gaining magic powers eating other people and men rising to great ranks through bloodletting. Life is so boring. He thinks aloud walking around in the fields near his home climbing coming to the top of a large rock sitting beside the muddy remnants of a stream brown stocks of grass moves gently beneath the wind. He can barely feel. There is no one here but him so he talks allowed in my tribe. There would be a great fight amongst all the boys and the winner would be the best respected we would commit sacrifice to our great God and Young Bay. Oa who gives us the power to control everybody and and being visible and and bulletproof and knife-proof the boy puts his arms out wide and laughs at the sky. Ah He almost doesn't hear the echoing laugh beneath him but he does. He looks down into the mud at the base of the Rock and sees a boy laying there. The mark is up past his ears almost to his cheeks for a long moment Joshua thinks he's dead but then the boy smiles at him. His teeth are like chips of marble. Not quite white shot through with swirls of color but but his eyes are the most arresting feature flatly black in reflective and open all the way to the socket so that the eyeballs themselves are like glossy the eight balls without a number on the side Joshua Falls off the rock rolling in the dust and then scrambling to his feet. He slowly approaches. The other other side of the Rock. Grabbing chunk of Sun bleached wood off the ground. The boy in the mud is waiting for him on the other side still smiling though. His eyes focused blankly on the sky. For so that's how it seems. What are you GonNa do with that? Stick the boy asks. The voice is coloured info concern and truth. He seems on the verge of laughter Joshua Pokes the boy with his stick and the body shifts slightly early in the mud but doesn't move otherwise it seems normal enough though. The skin is somehow darker a human skin should be more like the flesh of rotten fruit and the deep healthy Brown of his and anybody else. He knew the boys only clothing is a mud-caked rag wrapping around around his feet that keeps them both bound together in the mud. It has dried to a pale light brown where the skin has touched it. Are you a God. Joshua asks or devil something like that. The boy in the mud says the slow movement of his jaw with the words. Ads Is all the movement has body allows itself Joshua can feel his heart throwing wildly in his chest is her name on Bay. Away Joshua asks no the boy in the mud says he chuckled. That your own made up. Thing mm-hmm Kerr her. It clears his throat a sound like a shoe being sucked off a foot and a swamp trump. I have no name I just am. What are you Joshua asks? Nothing the boy in the mud had says and now it's is its head tilt slowly toward Joshua but only a bit just like you. What can I give you Joshua asks? I want power. You are a demon something like yes but can I trade for power. What you have the boy in the mud says nothing Joshua replies without expecting to then? That's what I want. He laughs this time. It is a sour sound Joshua steps closer robbing his fingers more tightly around the stick. People take things from me. Joshua says people don't respect me they don't fear me me. They ask me things and a half to answer. They tell me to do things and I do them. I want that sort of power. I want to take back with spine more than go do that. The boy in the mud says you don't need my permission. chuckles a bit more loudly at this time. And you have everything you need to do what you want to do. But you should take a page lead in my book and learn to just lay around a bit things a simpler that way. It's cool out here in the mud. You Know Bill. Joshua looks at the thick hunk of wood and his hand Sun bleached and dragon and lumpy. It isn't a sort of thing you might make lumber from or even whittled down into a more useful tool just heavy and has a good grip on one end. Joshua looks back at the boy in the mud. One more time seeing the faint outlines of his reflections in the glittering black eyeball then he turns and heads for town Uh He stands for a moment outside the abandoned building where Momo in his crew had their little Ohio. It's not well hidden and the light from the barrel fire. They've lit for the night shines out onto the street. It's a bad part of town. And Joshua looks ridiculous a standing outside this gang hideout at his school. Close the boys inside probably have guns and knives and they see lingering out here the beat him within an inch of his life certainly they'd ruin his school close. It looks down at his articles of clothing now slightly dusty. But I'll still in fairly good condition better at at least than his purple suit the stitching and the sleeve and the badly torn earlier but he might pull the arms off and wear it like that he strips naked almost without thinking and then puts his shoes and socks back on with the same sort of numb automation. Then he is breathing heavily controlled. It could feel sweat breaking in his forehead. His body is like switch grass in the dark knight wavering in the firelight flickering out of the first floor windows then he's moving. He bursts through the front door which is simple piece of plywood stuck up with two penny nails salvaged from God knows what it slams to the ground and the boys around the barrel fire look at them their faces a Larry and frightened and childish and Bright Light. Momo is in the center of a naked woman's head between his legs and a black machine pistol in his hand Joshua screams his name the fuck most shouts. He pushes the girl off. She screams to when the machine pistol barks. This is split tongues of plaster off the door. Frame walking its way up to ceiling to shower josh dust. The other boys transfixed horrified mo-mo gets the pistol back ten on target pointing at Joshua's face. There is a second of flat terror and Momo's is when the trick is nothing makes no sound at all and the lump of wood takes him. In the temple he falls over the barrel fire scattering Ashen flame enrolling hunks of Palate Block into the room. The naked girl is screaming with the hands covering their hand. The boys are silent. Momo's arm breaks into the way to the first blow forearm snapping just in front of the elbow. He is screaming in earnest now too but only for a short while Josh was next strike hits. The broken arm pushes a Shard of bone. Through Momo's skin is crew club continues past and glances off moments for hit. The hit leaves a small debt. And Momo's eyes go. Glassy is arms extend fully over his head locking into place in a conscious effort to block the next blow. It doesn't work. Joshua hits him again. Crushing the front of his skull into a concave shaped it suits a pressurized jet. A blood at a Momo's knows his job begins clattering along with the rest of his body. His bows void in a stream of urine hits the fire causing it to his. The Joshua hits him again and again and again. He is covered in blood when he finishes is wide ride and white rimmed in the fire. The boys and the couches around him are silent and horrified. They do nothing say nothing. He looks at the naked girl. And she she crumbles into a ball whispering prayer under breath the wall and the ceiling behind this madman or punch full of bullet holes most still releasing dust that settles grey dark into the blood covering his shoulder's the smoke reasons body money Joshua says the other boys hurry to find it sad little little plastic bag in the pile of loot. They've lumped in the corner. He looks dangles the bag in front of his eyes and then drops in the lap of the nearest boy more. He says all of them pull bills when their pockets and place them in the bag handing it back. He nods and then grabs the naked woman by the wrist dragging ear to her feet with the same hand holding the bag of money. She begins to scream at struggled buddy whispers or ears he falls silent. Then Joshua drags her outside. Gather up his school close. It takes her away into the night. You think you are mortal Joshua to assist the boys. His Voice Boise is taken from their homes and families or whom he found already homeless and orphan on on the streets some he trusts but most he does not. It matters little because they don't matter they they are not people they are his arms and his legs and his hands he is there. Will there everything everything but I show you. I tell you you are not he continues. He drags one boy may be eleven out out of the crowd and stands him tall before the others. You tell them how you dealt with the soldiers these grown men. These rebels have sent against us us against our true leader. Shoot them. The boy says he hangs from Joshua's hand like a rag doll but his is is our sharp and intense. His face is a man's face. Do the shoe Joshua asks. Nobody leakage. The boy whispers. I am like the devil. Like the devil Joshua screams the boys erupt in shouting some jump to their feet and dance like maniacs waving assault rifles over their heads at the pre dawn sky. And who gives you this power. Who Do you feel in your heart when you kill you? General Butt Naked. The boy says though his words are soft soft they are like gasoline on the fire of the crowd. You go into battle naked my boys because this is proof you are not afraid because you know my power is on you. My power is the greatest at it is in every one of you you're naked. Hey could bodies are stronger than Arbor. If you believe in me then you cannot die. They erupt in screaming their shadows mingling in a mad dance on the side of the building. They have camped by in the morning. Many of them will die during the push on the city. The children of the city will refill the ranks. And so the cycle will continue and Joshua bligh general neural butt. Naked will grow stronger. There's only one thing that gives him pause in the shadows of the fire dancing so like water is a boy he lays submerged in the brick of the wall. as though the stuff is mud. His skin is dark and wet like rotten fruit and his eyes are wide and black and glassy like a spider's when their gazes meet the boy's mouth splits wide in a smile showing a hundred small small clean teeth and Joshua bligh smiles back Uh Monster is an incongruity production. If you've enjoyed this experience please subscribe and leave a positive review. Please support our sponsors. 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Penne For Your thoughts
"A warm welcome to another episode of something rhymes with bubble. I'm jaaz brand ruth. I love words. I love language. I love my colleague dent. She's britain's leading lexicographer. I'd say she's the world's meeting execrable given that something rhymes with purple is listen to internationally. I don't want people down there in. Tasmania thinking. no. I'm the best on the best susie but i'd be surprised if they will. How are you susie and streaming. Well thank you very much. I have to say. I'm slightly in native a cup of coffee. It's been quite a busy week. Loss of cabin filming this week. So we're lucky enough to still be in studio at the moment even though obviously the world is not looking great around us. I tv being amazing in the safest possible. I've been doing that and writing a little bit. You know. I mean you know what it's like jazzy. Never stoep i do notice. I and i've been working channel four as well. The content programme that susie mentioned is a words numbers game. That's been running on channel four since the channel began about forty years ago and it's usually and she was before she was born. I was on it because it was kinda way after i was born anyway. It goes strong channel in. The program is brilliant. And i've been doing a program for channel four about canals which is currently gone out on sunday nights and i travel along canals with friend sheila hancock so maybe actually we ought to do an episode about waterways of canals and rivers said to assist the one where everyone celebrates the arrival of slow tv. Is it slow. Tv or nothing's way you actually simply and obviously as well as you. She'll you just watch about move very slowly. I think we may have made it a bit too dynamic. That certainly is what people have loved with it for the first twelve series. It's been done so far by a brilliant couple called timothy west and brunello scales their husband and wife. They're both actors of great distinction and they've done it now for twelve years. They've hung up their winless. Which is something that if you want the world who can help you know what it is and you can tell us what it is when we knew our on it. And they've added over to us. We couldn't replace them because they are irreplaceable. Where just different. but yes. it's an extraordinary experience because sheila hancock is soon to be eighty eight. I'm in my early seventies and we just have never done anything like this more. Never been on the canal and it's really a fascinating experience. It's exhilarating times coming to. It is supposed to be slow tv but on paid. We're living on the boat. Fortunately my navigation is not what it should visit quite a smooth. It's i mean. On the first day i crashed into a bridge twice. So the insurance premiums have gone up. But it's quite fun so i hope people would enjoy. So that's what we've been doing this cooking. Finally this on today seem all you cooking and providing everybody the crew or how does it work the crew. We all the crew. It's just us. it's just two people. It's just sheila and me. The camera is just on the barge looking at you. Slowly hammer is because of social distancing the cameras on another barge alongside us or on the riverbank. Although there's something called a gopro of the fixed camera the just called everything and then they do edited version of it. Not only my cooking. But i brought my repertoire as well as doing my cigarettes. Dish baked beans on toast. I am providing she loved with pastor. And that's what. I wanted to talk about today faster at k. Great italian pasta. Because it's interesting to me how it's infected the language. I remember mussolini. Mussolini dictator the italian dictator saying give me a balcony and i can take rome a another. That giuseppe garibaldi. When he liberated naples in eighteen sixty declared. It will be macaroni. I swear to you that will unite italy now. We have mentioned gatty baldy before as well as being an italian lead up is also a biscuit. And we've mentioned macaroni. As in yankee doodle dandy so we might as well start with macaroni and pastor. What was the history of pastor has infected language explore all this verse. Well it's just everywhere now. Isn't it past account. Remember as i was growing up ever really having pasta very much. Fatten lasagna. So i was tempted to think that actually this is a new phenomenon for us but in fact the history is extraordinary is widely says it with italy obviously but apparently the chinese will making a noodle type food earliest three thousand bc which is quite extraordinary and then some credit. Marco polo is introducing italy after heat into the far east. So that would preserve the the chinese connection but in greek mythology. It's believed that vulcan. The god that gave his volcano invented a device that made strings of does that might be. The earliest mentioned over pastor. Making machine is basically the word paced. Is that what passenger methods day right. Yeah that's where it comes from and that underlies so many different words so it will ultimately take you back to pastry too. Passe to a t. serie to pass e oh my goodness many so yes. It's all the idea of a pace. An ultimate goes back to the greek for barley porridge. And there were also sprinkling. So maybe sprinkling assaulting that porridge so really long history linguistics as well. Well the lots of fun facts about pastor. I believe past us to be needed with the feet. Traditional stoves made that pastors cooked properly. Apparently stick to a wall and it spreads spaghetti trick definitely works. I have to say kids. Love that ruling traditionally eaten by hand. Did you know that you tell your children that no but my youngest definitely does enjoy eating spaghetti by hand. I try not to frown at that. Point two main groups of pasta fresh pasta dried best news and as a student. I always always made mistake of putting fresh pastor in cooking it for as long as i would cook dry pastor and the result was on any mess fresh pastor any needs a couple of minutes easily. Let's get down to some specific names of types of pastor. Thomas jefferson third president of the united states of america credited with bringing the first macaroni machine to america in seventeen eighty nine when he returned home after serving as ambassador to france macaroni. It's a kind of pasta. Not grain is kind of pastor. I kind of feel like macaroni cheese. I don't really feel like i'm eating pasta. But of course you all. But a tiny. Ahmed they are traditionally. I think in older generations cupboards the type of pasta. You would normally find would be macaroni. And that goes back to the italian Dumpling so again linguistically. It's not really got very strong. Connection with the pastor that we would think of today if you would going to a restaurant or you quite fussy about which pasta shape you have because i love spaghetti financed the ultimate comfort. Food spaghetti means little strings. She's exactly what they looked like that satanic little strings is the getty little bit. Yes that's the diminutive on the the spa is what this bag. I guess is the actually speak. Italian will But yes that's stringy and the hetty eti is. It's like at in french. So you figure out is again. Dion love spaghetti. I like it quite thin spaghetti and like actually a very simple spaghetti with cheese olive oil that will do for me little tomato sauce. I don't need to overcomplicate may not so short about pesto. Jarred pesto. I'm not so sure about either. But if you make it yourself with fresh basil and pine nuts and cheese palmisano. The vegetarian quickly. It's so good. It comes from the italian star minute. Pound or crush. The linked to the pestle mortar ritchie might crush and also of mr. Pesto is quite fun. Days ages ago. One of the very first interviews. I did they asked me for my favorite smells in the entire world. One of them was the smell of freshly mown grass which looked people i know would say and the out. There was fresh basil. There is nothing like the smell of fresh basil to conjure up the tuscan countryside sunshine state. School just i was felt that and then i read was it to buy a smaller. Favorite smell was to take his chamber bottle with a wooden spoon stirred. Love the smell. I know it's not a shocking. But i'm throwing it in the literary heritage. I think it was smart. People can correct is. If i've got james joyce type thing i think it was small earlier than james joyce so eighteenth century agent century. English writer about smarts. Let's get back to pass them. Let's get back to pasture. That's interesting if you've if i've got that wrong to let us know bubble and something else dot com spaghetti spaghetti putin esca spaghetti. Putin asca is equal as well. So this is a source with garlic. Black lives are not huge fan but you unfreezing there as well tomato taste and it goes back to the italian putina meaning prostitute sets linked to the french putin and the sources said to have been created by prostitutes because it could be cooked very quickly between clients visits spaghetti putin esca and it's interesting that the so much of that kind of thing behind english words like four eight one theory is that it goes back to the latin four next meaning oven and it said that prostitutes would gather at night by the ovens in ancient rome in order to keep warm and then of course that became linked to their trade and you know and and phone occasion but that that's one theory i mean it's it's not completely beginning set in stone but yes it's the idea of an arch in the ovens were often arched and vaulted chambers and then later that became as with postals today too so i throw that one but i think that's completely gripping this is what i love this program. I learned things fall. Occasion never occurred to me. That would be to do with ovens in brothels and the prostitutes keeping themselves warm before they have their. What was it again. That pastor was called put aneska can put being prostitute as in. Yes exactly very good. Give me some other ones one. But i tell you what i do like. I liked linguini. Yeah so that's a nice. One linguini means little tongues. Set linked to linguist language. You all sorts. Shut down you. Tell you tally. Tally means little strips. So tell in. Italian is to cut so it almost looks like cutting ribbons And that's what fettuccini means pechiney means little ribbons as well which is quite cool for folly. Which is a favourite here as well for finally they look like little bow ties but actually they are originally butterfly shaped it goes back to the talent for oughta flies for valley. Oh won't about fouzy food dies. The ones that look a slight corkscrew shaped and it goes back. We think to the italian food though meaning spindles. Little spindles idea. That penny which i think is probably the most popular pastor isn't it penny goes back to panic meaning feather so little feathers. I think it is then. It's related to pen that we used to write things because you know of course. They had quills. And if you're eight you have feathers etc. So yeah pinup quilt original news with twins and as two ends so not like the pens that we write with nookie is an argentine light. Mielke i discovered is when the one. That's got really pastor made of a different sort of potato often or semolina dumplings and those go back because you think of that shape because back to the italian knock you without the g meaning not in would senior you get to walls. Who rls in would knock is such a slightly shaped like that. The not that you would find integrating food obviously ravioli. I love regularly so it seems to know but possibly from an italian dialect word meaning cheap stuff perhaps because they were cheap to make it might go back to rapa a vegetable which no one seems to quite night that one is another one revolutionary to wrap so who needs lots of possible origins for that one. But i do love ravioli puzzles. What would be your ideal meal in the world of pasta or will generally and i think mine might actually involve really love. A good edgy lasagna. I have to say which took pastor antonio you're ready to mine would probably be a really good veggie curry. I think that would be my love. Pulses and i love lentils and things and in fact you can sometimes combine the two so i went somewhere. What's where they did spaghetti with chickpeas which i never would have thought putting together to Delicious what about you. Well out of wonderful meal once have had lots of meals. It'd be very blessed. But i remember going to verona and being on a hill outside. Verona an outdoor restaurant. Beautiful sunshine appreciate that sunshine on your feelings and simply a bowl of spaghetti with lots of olive oil and some sort of leave sprinkled on them cheese and couldn't have been simpler but the whole setting was absolutely perfect left knee. I go through phases of justice covered near me a georgian restaurant not restaurant founded in the eighteenth century but food from georgia to breezy. And it's fantastic and these amazing people that opened this restaurant a month or so ago in the middle of this pandemic. they've opened it and it's working. People are going there to fantastic. That is so through for them is terribly terribly important. Has it infects your language. Overall food is food. Play a part in language. Absolutely huge minutes fundamental. Do you remember me talking about meat. And how meat actually meant all food. Originally then as people need to differentiate between different types of food they started to talk about vegetables green meet for example all sweet things as sweet meat. And we still have that in one. Man's meat is another man's poison. It's one man's foods man's poison so that's the we've got lord and lady revolving around the person that kept the bread and the person that needed the bread. A companion got pannos. Brad taught someone with whom you wait. Your bred mate. With somebody with whom you ate your meat. I mean it's fundamental to as he would expect you know it is the bread of life isn't it. Are we earn our bright etcetera etcetera. It's everything it is everything. I remember when i was university like you. I was at oxford university. One of my judas was a great man called theodore zeldin and i remember him expanding to me. The history always seems to be about guns and cannons but in fact more important as implements in the story of the world and guns and guns have been the knife and fork. Yes interesting thought. Then remember this book that just popped into my head. What other sport was a spoon. Combined had a fork and a spoon. I i never got on with that though. I must say when. I go to a chinese restaurant i want to chopstick to. I've not quite mastered the chopsticks. There's no special. Pastor implement is and i have to say to my shame apologies. Purple listeners aficionados as a pasta easter. break my spaghetti. All sorry. that's my door so we just can't get my door rugged jayco commercial break now. This shows this in real time. Because suzy is doing it from her home in oxford. I'm doing it for mine in london. And there's been a knock on the door which means it's time to take a break also from something else. Katie papers extraordinary. People join katy for a series of powerful and conversations with people who have triumphed over adversity with guests including fern cotton. And what about when you get really lazy. Journalism select people that just one line. They take out of context. And that's really sad because this is a long several on the receiving end of it so many times sometimes to really tragic levels may worry not foul able to cope with their. Yeah so he suck. And nadia hussain. I think the thing women firstly is that women sometimes don't always like to see other women succeed. Acting less right yeah. I think there's a lot of that. I think that's why just it's really hard. Sometimes because they have it in the last four years. I've changed so much missing. Now in apple podcasts. Spotify and all good focused master perfect. I'm quite peckish. Now you starving. I have to say i haven't even had breakfast yet. I'll have to go straight to the lunch. Go straight for the lunch. Actually if you miss out one meal a day you've got plenty to do that. Works two meals a day probably is enough. Some people say should be nibbling all the time. I just want to do. Just be sensible. Well as you know i struggled. Keep wait until. I need to basically keep easing but passes really good for that and also lots of olive oil and things. Yes and i think. Athletes eat a lot of pastor. I am. I'm a friend of sebastian. Coe used to run very fast. Still runs faster than me anyway. And it was a great devotee of pastor gives you instant makes you run rural. It's getting the night before american. I know that when. I did my long long long cycle. Lots of pastor the night before and that she we've had lovely question on the topic of food and drink. You know we we've been discussing tea and biscuits and thermo pots lovers of hot drinks. Tim wilson from new zealand is being in touch and he says i wonder if you can help me is there would for the disappointment. Felt for when you go to have another sip of coffee and it's all gone but you will sure there was some left and remember me talking about a great book. Written by ben shot coach shot in florida where he found lots of linguistic gaps in english. And then go to german translate to make up a german word to fill the gap. I think this is one of them but he created a word. And i wish i could remember it in german for the sense of norring disappointment that you only half eaten a snack. Say it's a chocolate biscuit and you know you've not finished it but you can't find the rest of it. If you ever had that. I have that sort of sense i k- i know there's a bit of chocolate left here somewhere but i cannot find it because i know i've not finished it. That's very similar. Chew we asked the purple people to come up with an idea for this one. We were very much. It's a word to express the disappointment. You feel when you go to have another sip of coffee and it's all gone but was sure there was some left. Yes not just coffee. I think i think it applies to chocolate. Also all sorts of things that disappear frustrations accident. I remember when i was a child. I used to like chocolate cupcakes. The you could bide of teashop called lions and they came in silver foil and the chocolate. The top was quite hard. And you peeled away silver side without actually breaking any of the crenelated and i would then nibble around this and i eat the chocolate slowly going round and round and round leaving and eat the cake underneath leaving the last bit of chocolate icing as my favourite bit and i still remember the day. I got this little chocolate thing on the blade and my one of my sisters came in and you saw it picked it up. Bought a number of and here. I am sixty and more years later. Still brooding about this no. Yeah he's still obviously remembering credibly. Vividly do do. It was a painful moment. Well these are things that happen okay. Only ali awesome free. Ethin- reynolds has been in charge. It's probably isn't it anyway. Ethan comes from los angeles and california. Say hi to meghan and harry when you catch them in the street doing their shopping. Hey suzanne childs and new listener. And i love the show. I love the recent bit on playground. Words especially the various safe words during games of tag growing up in suburban. La the word was always. Ollie ollie oxen free. I'm unsure of spending and to this day it confuses the daylights outta me. I'd figured it was just random syllables strung together by some long forgotten cater and the phrase stock for some reason. But you're chat on the show. Got me wondering if there was a legitimate origin or reason for it. Is this something you've heard of before i'd love to know more. Well avon susie. Dent is the bus to come to only olly oxen free. I love this. This is elusive as the faint nights. One that i mentioned which is spoken up and down version loves of all the generations. Remember saying fe nights. You and i said packs. I think is to say pax anyway. All yolly oxygen free as such lovely one to investigate this icon unfortunately provide definitive. Answer there are lots of theories one is it corruption of all ye all ye. Out's in free. everyone's still out about. You can come home now. It's safe possible german origin. Now i like this one but it does sound like it. I like it. Of course because it's german but that is alla alla oxen's high. All the oxen are free. Quite what that means why he would knox in a game of tag. I'm not completely sure. But a parent is being referenced of songs and in a film of the same name with katherine hepburn. Which i didn't know i'd love catherine hat but did you have a meter. No no oh that would have been one who won the katherine. Yeah so it's obviously not just limited to sort of a few pockets of children in not just america by the sounds of it will. They obviously was out there. Say who knows. But i love the fact that there is a film. Starring katharine hepburn all yolks and free. Nine thousand nine hundred seventy eight. It was a family adventure film apparently and all about katherine hepburn he slightly eccentric and she owns an antiques tool and refuses to part with her merchandise. Becauses of sentimental value sets all linked up to that sort of sentiment of childhood. But that's a great question. I love that question. I wish i had a better answer fleet. If people want to do homework between episodes of something and want to explore themselves walked for you would be the to give me to and maybe make it into national. The two big works of reference. You recommend they go to and are they available online or do people still go to libraries and find books there one would be. I imagine the oxford english dictionary. Yes in distraction. Sometimes they do have offers on for individuals subscription. But if you can't get the. I know it's not very easy to get to libraries at the moment says probably not a great time to suggest this but most libraries and academic institutions do have a free subscription to erie. D is not the way to get it now. Because i've got upstairs give them to me many many years ago by dr robert burchfield when he was editor of the sort of sixteen volumes of it plus some supplements but now of course it's being the language we discovery more every day and therefore imagine it's being kept up to date on line so people in fact have physical dictionary or should they subscribe to a dictionary. How does it work yeah. It's really tough on this because most people do love the feel of a book and as do i. If i'm reading about half to say. I now have the english me online in front of me most of the time and my desk if not all the time available people could buy that expensive but they could not expensive. You can get an individual subscription. But as i say you know if you can get to a library osco library if he can get access even remotely to really good wetting oxford dictionaries online. Oh say pretty good. That's a free dictionary. Merriam webster is great s malaysis. That's the american equivalent to the and that's as well but yes now as i use as you know. I use the laptop rather than a printed dictionary and lots of people are quite tapped by this but actually i am simply looking at the same dictionary. I would be looking at in printed form except is more up-to-date because print versions of dictionaries lesson demand these days and consequently they're updates much less frequently. It tends to be quarterly updates for the obser- dictionaries and they're always make a big splash. When the new gained the because wants to work goes in there. It never comes out to. They're much more scrupulous to what can be put in the wall speaking of libraries. Jeff holt has been in duchess emailed us first of all with a joke. A man is in court for vandalising library book about louis. He borrowed a copy of war and peace and dip xed out. All the full stops the judge said to him. We're looking at a very long sentence here. That and then the question is that a connection between the grammatical meaning of sentence and the punishment meaning of sentence. Yes there is and actually strangely at all goes back to the latin send to feel but also to be of the opinion because quite often you might feel i feel that this is the case we expressed in that way. Don't we we express an opinion as feeling and stan tense Latin for the romans meant an opinion and of course that can be in so many different ways so it can be a way of thinking and opinion that you set out in grammatical form as a sort of autonomous thought that is put down hence the idea of a sentence in grammar punctuation or a court declaration of punishment so those two are absolutely linked but yeah ultimately goes back to the idea of feelings has linked to sensation. Also things send tint we essentially beings et cetera. That's engine look it's time for the triple whammy. The three words that you'd like to take away this week words that we may not know that you love okay. People now have auto pens. So i don't know about you. But if i'm asked to sign something these days for work reasons i'm sent to document i sign electrically and they kind of give you autograph for you and you just click. Yes i'll accept autograph and it doesn't probably resemble anything like the old crafts that you would normally have well in the olden days when we used to sign things by hand then about you but do you have a little flourish after your giles. I don't think i've ever seen your signature up. Maybe have but like your property signature. You burnt all those postcards. I sent you if you're writing giles. Brand dress how does it do you have a little flourish. I practiced it for so many years. My preteens hours to enjoy brand breath and with a little flash on the t h but not a little squiggle after it. Okay well if you have a little flourish as some kind of embarrassment on your signature. It is a paragraph powerfu- and that's to flourish on your signature. As i'm not sure how useful it's going to be but i love the fact that there is a word for it think. This is a similar one. I suppose we'll similar sounding power lipsius. I was on the same page in the dictionary. Power lips is parallel. This is really useful. It's really cheeky. Strategy of drawing attention to something while pretending not to so you could say. Am i say this with some of irony possibly. Oh yes. that's a lovely book. Can i should say if the typo head five that kind of thing. Oh when al gore accepted. George w bush's win while he didn't accept it but he was expecting it and he believed it was stolen from him and it was all a big brouhaha. Professor wasn't it. And he said george w bush's inaugurated he'll be my president and i'll never accuse him of stealing the election. That is a paralysis it has. Sometimes you say oh yes yes not to mention the blah but you go onto mentioned it. That's part of what useful and there's another one that i quite like. I think we're all guilty of this at some point. Ellos -able spout slightly strangely yellow zebra. Abc l. e. elizabeth oil. It means amenable to flattery. you are eligible. And i have to give the hat tip to simon hutton on here. Because he's got a lovely collection of endangered words and he reminds me of that. One iloilo's -able amenable to flattery on billy amenable veteran. You are to your beautiful creature. Thank you yes also. I was founded dividend. When i was a memory parliament not any of my susceptible flattery but i found. I was agreed with last person i met. Let's difficult that. Actually she having to have independence if thought. I remember being in the library. When i was a student and reading critics on whoever i had to rise about that week and genuinely not being able to come up with an independent opinion because i thought oh she's completely right so don't actually have anything else to say. Very difficult will actually. I think most reasoning can't see both sides of the argument so we will people maybe that history actually anyway. So those are my three. I was looking for a couple of poems to read the end of this week in the past connection and i couldn't find an pastor potter but i know people have written pastor poetry and there's something called macaroni x. Amusing terms and i must explore those and them to another week instead. I found a couple ruthless. Rhymes that do have a Reconnection so i thought i'd end with those. They're both from the edwardian era so written more than one hundred years ago. One is concerned the the days people this time of year. Would you know roast toast. Muffins on the fire. Toast toast on the fire. I love the idea of toast freshly toasted from the. that's not. This is also a time when people have nannies. Nurses need to know this to understand the boom making toast to the far side. Nurse fell in the fire and died and what made it ten times worse. All the toothpaste was burned with nurse. Said it was a ruthless rhyme. it is ruthless. It's the casual cruelty. That really appeals. To me is into this one. During dinner at the ritz father kept on having fits and which made my solo greater. I was left to tip the waiter. That's that's a lot from something rhymes with purple but this week. I don't know what we're gonna be talking about next week. But we hope it will be linguistically entertaining and if you want to contribute. Do please get in touch with us. It's couple at something else. Dot com or. We're both on twitter. Are you on twitter. I am at city underscored dent at chelsea one right. that's it. that's that's something runs with purple. Is something else production. It was produced by laurence bassett with additional production from harriet. Well steve ackman ella mcleod and j bill assurance forgetting someone m.
Battling the Darkness with Thomas Burke Jr.
"This is a world that is suffering. This is a world. I think we're all hurting. We're all sad sometimes and I want people to be able to see resurrection. I want people to understand that there is life after failure. Welcome to Wise Avenue would be your host Chris as well this week to hear of our special coveted physical distancing podcast studio with a huge assist from time wise is happening. Guess Kate Shaw. One of the cocoas of strict scrutiny. Which is her own legal podcasts. You should listen to. We are like most of you adjusting to the new life. That's all live at a science lesson markets today to the mall collecting worms. Not sure really what got caught there but a lot of ones collected. That was good. And we're going to try to start sort of moving into doing more Gra pandemic related podcast content. I don't know about weirdly. I am sort of obsessed I can't tell people want escapism at this moment. But today we have an amazing conversation with amazing person and we recorded this before depend adequate in view. But it's sort of an oddly fitting conversation because you know one of the things that get so hard for all right now is like remember in the way things used to be and he knows he read aloud history particularly first person accounts diaries of people in moments of great violence or war or illness. There's kind of moment before woman after right like you know. Someone's a shopkeeper in Berlin and the next thing they know it's crystal everything changes or someone is no housewife in part of India and then partition happens. And there's you know the knock at the door that should happens over and over you know. The Not experience exists of a moment before a moment after when everything changes before and after for a lot of people. I think in my generation nine eleven was very much like that but it was the home before and the moment after that moment after some ways extended into the now in fact it's relevant directly to the store today Thomas for who I spoke with today His Life I think it's fair to say sort of divided into moment but hormone after he was a young man who joined the Marines and the aftermath of nine eleven who went off to Iraq who went to Afghanistan who saw some truly horrific things who struggled deeply with addiction and depression came out the other side. A priest a believer a pastor a deeply spiritual person why I encounter on twitter and found so compelling and distinct in strange in his voice and wanted to speak to him for this podcast and I find that listening to him in these times is kind of comfort. I should note that there are very very intense discussions in this conversation about violence in war about grief about addiction about suicides and suicidal allegation but at the end of it it is a beautiful and I think happy story about a kind of spiritual journey that ends with a certain kind of profound peace and grace and I think it's a good listen Thomas where did you grow? I grew up in Bethel Connecticut which is not too far away from the city And what was your upbringing like I grew up in a Roman Catholic household. Much like yourself My mother was Italian. A Roman Catholic. My father was Irish Catholic same here exact same Mother had two siblings. My father had eleven siblings. Wow that's real Irish Catholic. Oh absolutely not messing around committed to the cause. Yes yes and did you grow up going to church? I did absolutely every Sunday. I was an altar server From an early age I really definitely had a call in to some sort of ministry and And then when did you You went to high school. I went to college. What'd you study in College So I studied religious studies and English in college? So you were. You felt some calling to God and Pastoral Work. Pretty early absolutely and I went to college after my time. The Marine Corps actually okay. Yeah Oh wow so. You're in the Marine Corps. I I did UNDERGRAD. And then you did difficult. Yes I went to the Marine Corps right out of high school wide. You do that so I got kicked out of a Catholic high school and again I wanted to be a priest but I really didn't see any educational opportunities Again at the same time I wanted to become a priest. I I don't know if you remember the ninety s commercials of the Marine fighting the Dragon But it really got into my romanticism. I had this idea that would become a marine and people would see value in me because of my service plus I am somebody who really value service. I want to serve my country in a time of war but there's also a masculinity component attached to when you're insecure eighteen year. Old Kid How do you prove things to yourself? And I don't care what anybody says. You become a marine because you want to be a marine. Yeah I mean. Were there people in your family members who've been marines? No no marines in my family. Can I ask what you got kicked out of school for sure? I was selling marijuana. That'll do it. Yeah that will do especially those Catholics with zero tolerance. So is there kind of excuse the expression come to Jesus moment in which like you got kicked out and it was like off to the Marines. Thomas no actually. I was very religious in high school and it was one of the odd things because most of the time when you have some sort of reputation during high school people treat you differently but I was very religious godly drug dealer basically. Actually I was very unique kid. Sounds like so you are very religious. You're also dealing. We'd absolutely yeah. Yeah and so what was that? What was what was the fallout like in your household when that happened. Sure so I really want to be clear that I have the best parents in the family and the entire world I four brothers and sisters that are the best But it was a situation and now as I'm older I can empathize with my parents And because I see parents go through the in my ministry now I actually have parents that are dealing with the followed their child dealing with the same consequences from the same actions. And so I'm in a position to be able to speak to the reality of future in a different more positive way. What did you like wasn't a big deal? I guess it was a really big deal. My parents really didn't know what to do with me. I suffered from depression Very early age and I was just I was very difficult for them to Give me the opportunities I needed to succeed. And when they when you told them you wanted to enlist in the marines were they supportive of that No I wasn't like Oh. He's back on the straight and narrow. It was like. Oh No these are. These are a set of bad decisions. Compounding each other Yes so I was seventeen years old. So you're not allowed to join when you're seventeen overs So my mom had signed the contract and she signed in blue ink because that is not legal and so the recruiter to keep coming back to my house. Amazing to make her sign the papers Because she really did not want me to Joined the Marine Corps. But you did. I did and I became an infantry. Marino's now enjoyed it You deployed to Afghanistan Iraq and Afghanistan. Iraq I Iraq was. I am what was like to find yourself at that age as an infantry marine in a war zone sure so this was two thousand eight. The Iraqi civil war was just really getting hot They started ignoring Coalition troops Us troops But what they would do is they would attack Iraqi police and Iraqi security forces right in front of us and it was very interesting from now. I'm going to try and put my perspective. Instead of some sort of you know mature person being an eighteen year old in Iraq was very difficult. Especially at the time it was part of President Bush's surge into Allenby Province province out where you were. Yes yes so. You're in this sort of the the hotbed of Suny essentially resistance right right outside of Palooza in Marsha I I'm sorry not Marcia in Karma Iraq and And you know I was a saw gunner. I carry a machine gun and I'm not the biggest guy if you can't tell And it was very difficult There was a lot of situations outside of just the situation. We were in that very difficult for me So finding myself as a young infantry marine You know especially dealing with very difficult topics at a very young age We lost one of our first marines two days before Christmas in two thousand eight Thomas TJ Riley. He was a fellow lay minister with me so we led prayers and I think for any eighteen year old to question. Mortality is very difficult And now understanding as the thirty year old that you are going to live a long time and you have to plan for the future was different than being an eighteen year old and Iraq. Because you just plan for the next step in front of you and so there was no sort of temporary or long term. Planning it was just. How do I survive the day? What did he do your faith to start dealing with death? Either of civilians or Iraqi soldiers or American Marines that you were serving with sure so all start by going forward to TJ's memorial. I think it all affected us very individually In the battalion Tj was a very personable guy. He was very social. He was very kind very smart. And so we all question this individually but when I saw his family at the memorial it caused me to understand again that temporarily that yes. Tj I will miss very deeply a for a long time but I cannot see of brother or sister or mother not waking up and missing. Their CHILD MISSING THEIR SIBLING. So it began. I see the ripples of how. Tj's life was so much bigger than anything I could ever imagine and and I think a lot of people can react negatively with their faith when confronted by that sort of trauma. I was very fortunate to experience some sort of failure when I was young to build resiliency and to try and look for You know the positives in a situation like that. Can I ask how? Tj was killed Yes sorry so. He was in Karma proper And because he was a very kind kind man he had the Humvee door open and he was Conversing with locals and they threw a pineapple grenade and it blew his face off. Yeah how did you deal with the F? I've talked to a lot of folks that have served in Iraq and Afghanistan and particularly that kind of irregular warfare The deep sense of fear from the trail that you don't know where things are gonna come from absolutely and also the ridge the rage of of people who you didn't expect necessarily to to shoot you or to come at you like. How did you deal with that? So I think what you're speaking to is the sense of impotence that I think is On a much larger scale Really the definition of this global war on terror There's a sense of Where are we accomplishing? What we're trying to accomplish and so on the smaller scale when you see a friend get killed. What is the response? What are the things that you can do to make yourself feel better And the and try and make the world around you a better place and well that gets into Afghanistan. I think that that Iraq was a little bit better because I was still a little removed from the local populace. We write a company FOB. It was a little bit Again a less of a kinetic war we were in in Iraq but when we got to Afghanistan the operational tempo. That anger did the anger. You're speaking to did come out and it was something and I and I apologize because I will be a little theological in my language if that Dodo party. That's why you're here Yeah I think one of the things about that. Anger is is very sinful and what anger does is. It prevents me from being in relationship with you. Because there's an obstacle and that's what senators And so when you day after day have an operation in Tampa when you're not sleeping. You're not eating your going out on patrol. You're worried about idees you're finding ID's and you're not able to bring the fight to the enemy which is what we want to do. As an infantryman we want to be offensive. It does make you very angry and I noticed when we got to Afghanistan. We had this thing where we smiled waved. And you smile and wave at anybody and they will smile and wave back at you if you smile and wave at the most ruthless Taliban warlord they will smile and wave back and you because they don't expect that to me it is and there was a time where we couldn't smile and wave and that's personally you know. I'm a passionate guy. I'm not an angry person And when I noticed that I was angry that was me recognizing that sin was really creeping into my life that I was not able to be in relationship with God You know and I should say that you know it now. Currently we're we're called to love our enemy obviously I can understand I can. I can comprehend while why someone in Afghanistan why someone Iraq would try and fight. Americans I can empathize with that. I can have the imagination To put myself in the shoes of there are some things in today in the world where I can't empathize with why people act in baton maith where we see this in in the national political world or just in our Mike in tiny little communities again I can I can see God in on the battlefield but sometimes I can't see God in just the littlest things here when you're in Afghanistan Iraq deployment and as he said that's a more kinetic situation Id's attacks from Taliban insurgents on you. When you talk about that empathy is that. Is that a thing that you were able to experience in in the midst of being deployed absolutely and I think again i. I don't know if this is unique to my Roman Catholic upbringing which I value greatly to inspiring these ideas of justice but I watched Afghan girls hide from their uncles while they worked in the forums. Trying to teach themselves how to read with text books. I watched kids go to school and get their heads cut off and then the next day more kids went to school or the Taliban saw that they were flying kites and cut their heads off. And then the next day there'd be more kites So I saw Real real injustice and if forced me to have to see a way ahead you I think if I'm not mistaken on twitter a picture of you yeah absolutely bunch of Afghan boys yes Tell me about those boys. Sure so again like I said I like to smile and wave and today I am You know my job is to be an associate minister of Children Youth and families. I have always thought about my little sisters when I was abroad or deployed. I love children. I coached when I went to high school. I wanted to be the catcher in the Rye that that weird kid in high school. That's what I wanted to do And so when I was in Afghanistan I also spoke Pashto so I was brought to school while in the Marine Corps walls and infantrymen To Learn Pashtu really yes So dance on easy. Well let's get you know good at languages you know. I'M NOT GONNA lie and that's the thing it's actually my brushing up on my Arabic right now and I'm surprised I was not as rusty so I'm playing going Bronco and March. I was very surprised. My reading writing still there. So after enlisting you the Marines train you in in languages sure so in Hawaii stationed Hawaii with First Battalion Third Marines and before we deployed to Iraq. They sent a few guys to Arabic training for cultural training. Just really basic basic training and you know they sent me. I had a higher. Gt Score. Higher score was from Connecticut. So they're like well he probably knows how to read. And Yeah. It's the Marine Corps and so I really was pretty good at Not not the best at all And I didn't have much opportunity to use it as well because of we were much more mobile than Iraq In vehicles but in Afghanistan we lived with Iraq or Afghan police And and because I had done well with Arabic. They said all right. Let's send you to a little bit better of a program a little bit more intensive to learn Pashtu and because I used it so often it became very very easy for me to speak. Pashtu because you were you were side by side with Afghan police speak Pashtu and you had a little bit of training but the amount of practice he must've been doing was off the charts right. I mean you're asking it all the time and you know they absolutely have a great aptitude for languages too so they could pick up English. We could work a lot alongside them a good infantry platoon. That is a little bit more cooperative. Actually THEY CAN LEARN. Pashtu a lot easier than I think most people realize if they want to and so you got pretty good it did it did and you were. I mean that must be an amazing thing because I'm always struck by part of the insanity of American wars abroad is that we take a bunch of people often be eighteen year olds like yourself and we put them Dick in the world of counterinsurgency training. It's like it's not just that you're supposed to go there and you're supposed to you're supposed to shoot at the enemy but also like essentially a mayor of this town and like deal with the political ramifications like crazy task. American soldiers and Marines so I took a class with general crystal at Yale and it was about leadership and he was actually my ISAF commander at the time. I was in Afghanistan. So the idea is we have a department of. State that is the people who are supposed to be educated and are the ones who are supposed to be diplomatic those are. That's our diplomatic arm. But we're sending eighteen and nineteen year old with guns to do counterinsurgency so I was in this class and I was like. Hey why don't we just train? Eighteen and nineteen year olds. Do like be diplomats. They can still have guns. They can still be in your guys but let's give them a little bit more cultural training And I understand why we can't do that and But I I think that eighteen year olds in nineteen year olds. Going back to the question is because of their lack of perspective on the world. It's very easy to other an in their uttering Y- their morality and ethics can change because our morality and ethics are are taught by. How do we treat our neighbor? And how do we? How do we behave in our community and so when you take somebody who is barely learning how to behave in their community into a completely different world and telling them you need to locate close with and destroy the enemy? It's very possible. Moral injury is going to be a very common thing. We're going to deal with and language seems to me key there because if you don't have language and it's people often screaming at you you know you go into a house on a rate and there's a bunch of people that are screaming at you hitting you with their shoes and and everything is literally foreign. That having the bridge of language probably does must have meant a lot to. You must have totally changed your experience absolutely. But here's where I'm not to disagree. Body language is so huge. Interactions with people. You don't speak the same language too so again going to if you want to get along with the people that you're working with you can get along. We got a smile and wave. But you are absolutely one hundred percent right that when you have that language when you can articulate and understand you can empathize and you can comprehend And so for me to be able to have a conversation with a fifty six year old guy. Who's like I fought the Russians like? I don't care that you're here. You're not going to be here in ten years from now which we are there. Ten years from now but but again the temporarily. He's much more aware of the long term that we are problems are very local and very real and you are not going to be the ones to solve them. Yeah so these boys that you met sorry. I really worked hard to get away from Alan. I know I know I'm staring you back to. I don't know it's hard to tell it's not it's not I developed a relationship with them. they followed me on patrol all the time. So where were you in Afghanistan This was Maher Mar right outside of Marcia in Nawa Afghanistan guy so They liked to bring politicians there because they could walk around the local market and say that it was safe and so now I was part of President Obama's surge in Nawa Afghanistan and so this was a few months before the battle of measure which was one of the largest battles At the time in Afghanistan and really to show that there was progress. I think a lot of the the point of the battle was was to show especially media that we're making progress here and so we were in on the outskirts of that city for seven months with a variety of contact patrols security patrols constant post and so we grew very close to our local populous because we lived with them. There were twenty eight of US Marines living with twelve to twenty Afghan police officers and so we got very close I began started to be known from the locals as Burke Muhammed Because I wore a scarf that was checkered That represented that you've been on a hajj And so they and they thought I was Persian because I had this Iraqi accent And I could speak pretty good. Pashtu and I might have been a little lax on my grooming standards And so I I pride myself in that other in myself from the Marine Corps as well. I really tried to differentiate myself and be my own individual and that allowed me to build these relationships with these locals positive and negative because the negative is when you go to a town that you had never been to village that you never been to and they're like oh you're burke Mohammed. It's a little scary. Yeah that's scary and so when you when you recognize that people are talking about you and we knew the Taliban was operating. They knew they were talking about us. we could hear them on their outcomes so that began to be a little scary but I felt like for a variety of different Ways I could be some sort of you know positive and bathurst these kids that were not just these random people with guns walking in your backyard. Because that's what we were and so if that meant removing my kier and getting down to my skivvies shorts and jumping in the canal and going swimming with them. I was going to do that to humanize us to them. And so you know they really began talking to me and they would follow me on patrol which did comfort me Because I felt like now it's GonNa kill me if I'm around kids right. Yeah that's not. Yeah that's probably not right now But I you know it mess with them like I'd I'd hang out I'd I'd run or walk and then Iran and I'd walk and so they were really happy to be with me and I was happy to be with them and so yeah they would find Eighties they would find like explosives and they would bring him to the base or two of Marines attention and so they found an RPG warhead in a canal and they were taking it out and it exploded on them And that really is rough Did they they died. They died Eight of them is that right. Yes yes so. Yes so our platoon had to go clean that up And there's a level of failure you go to anger before about impotence or or lack of ability to respond And I was really sad I was really sad and I'm still very sad about it and the reason that it's not it's obviously difficult to talk about. Like what am I But but because they were human beings Because I think I believe in my heart that their kids like that today right now who Are the same sort of tough that WANNA be free that Wanna live their lives And so yeah I just want to empower kids like that And like I said I wanted to be the catcher in the Rye and I let those kids fall those kids And so that was really hard and still is very hard but I work very to build resiliency and kids to make them leaders in their community because for a variety of reasons kids are not the future of the world today of the world It's the only people they don't have any agency they are completely controlled by other people and we don't teach consent very well because we touch kids. We expect them to hug us and in doing so. We're saying it's okay to just touch people It's okay and so and I really apologize for this but I really love kids a lot and I am so I devoted my life to being somebody that is the catcher in the Rye so I don't feel again I can only imagine I mean I I find this obviously is just the receptacle here of your story so it's very difficult to hear and up three three kids so I it's funny when people talk about like when you're a parent all this stuff hits differently and like it feels like such a ridiculous abstractly shaped like nothing in the world is truer that I can't you know it's very hard anything with Andrea Children when you have kids But that that must have really done a number on you spiritually emotionally. You know it did. I became very sad Suicidal because again going to what are what am I gonNA do. What what do I have power over? What can I do and I failed and so I began using a lot more hash because again we're not sleeping. We're not eating and is pretty plentiful always very careful and I spoke the language so no one knew what I was saying when I could go to a car and be like hey do you charge Raka like. Do you have any hash? And that brought me to a situation where I sat at the banks of the Helmand River and stuck a barrel of my suppressed weapon into my mouth and try to pull the trigger I was very lucky that I was saved by a very very close friend who actually beat the shit out. Sorry it took you say beat the shit out of me in Iraq over something randomly. Totally different physically. Beat you beat me out with a fire extinguisher. And then he saved my life in Afghanistan so It's funny how the World War came upon you. Yeah so he. It was one night and we were getting up for patrol again. We during the battle of margit we want to have an operational tempo where we were on for twenty four seven patrols in twenty four seven post so there was always in the presence of marines outside of the wire even in our little area outside of Marcia and so we had just gotten back from patrol and I was really excited because I heard that we had like three hours of sleep which meant like maybe I could take boots off three hours before patrol and and I was like whatever and so I ended up getting woken and like an hour later. And so you gotta you gotTa you wake everybody up and go out to patrol whatever and I. As soon as I woke up I started crying because I was physically emotionally spiritually exhausted. Just just spent and groom. He was the one who woke me up and notice. There was something wrong with me He was one of my best friends and he knew that there was not. There's something was wrong with me. And so he told Griffin who is taking over for him on. Watch and keep an eye out for Tom. Keep an eye out for Thomas and I just. I didn't put any of my gear on. I just grabbed my rifle and dragged it outside of the wire I left base and I started walking off into the Afghan countryside and Griffin followed me. He yelled my name and followed me. And and as soon as we embraced. I cried harder than I've ever cried in my entire life And it does bring me back there a little bit It was a really really hard night and that was not done with Afghanistan. After that. It's not like Oh yeah. This is really bad. You had a suicide attempt. You're done and also I wouldn't have wanted to be done now you know. I wouldn't want to go on. I wouldn't have wanted to have someone take care of me. Which is what I needed. I wanted to continue to fight with my brothers and so that's what I did. I still had about three more months of left of the depoyment and I just tried as hard as I can. I use a lot of drugs and and then I ended up getting caught by my platoon sergeant and when they were very aware that we were using marijuana obviously in representations of Vietnam. This is like a ubiquitous part of the reality of what Vietnam was and representations of that. Us Servicemember doing a ton of drugs. What what was it like in your sure so combat obscure came out a few months ago and I actually got. A comment obscure was a documentary. that a rea- combat camera marine made. Oh Yes yes so. I actually did a little bit with. Nbc News About It. We had an interview with roundtable of marines responding to it. I was the only infantry enlisted marine and I was like yeah that was my combat deployment. It was using Hash using drugs and so our our command was aware of that but one of the anxieties they had was to not bring that back to Hawaii when we when we left and so so I got caught the week. We were supposed to leave because they were really cracking down. Then and so. That's interesting like it's if you're doing this here it's one thing and we're going to kind of look the other way but you bring it back and then you've crossed some line. Yes that we're not gonNA look the other way for yes which kind of goes to behavior in at home and abroad right so. I kind of platoon had their scapegoat. Their marine that ended up getting caught and getting other than honorably discharged from the ring core So they they just come upon you. They search your bag or something found. Hasher searched. My bag found Hash And then you got a bad. What's called a bad paper discharge? Yes so that was also a really long long situation So you have a lot of money when you get back from a combat deployment when you're twenty one years old. I turned twenty one Germany on the way home And I had a lot of money and I was also very very affected by what I had seen and so when I got home and my life was ending because I was about to get kicked out the Marine Corps and hit you very hard. It hurt my identity. You don't have an identity outside of being a marine. And they told me I failed at that so I came back and I was prescribed medication. that was an anti depressant and it ended up making me very Mac So I ended up taking out most of the thirty thousand dollars. I'm being Afghanistan spending on cocaine and I went from Hawaii to California to hear home to New York and Connecticut where I again had suicide attempt and that was very difficult and I agreed to go back to my command if they punished me because they weren't punished me. That's the reason I left in. The first place was they. Were actually holding me accountable. And letting me move on with my life and so I said if you throw me in the brig when I get back I'll come back and so this is after the suicide attempt this after the so you just to be clear on the timing here. You're on your way home. Yes you go through Germany and you spend a ton of money on cocaine and drugs you are obviously in a very bad yes emotional psychological and spiritual stating you attempt to kill yourself in Connecticut. Are you hospitalized after that? Or do you get some treatment after that. Yes I do. Get hospitalized here And then that's from where I returned a again under the agreement that they would actually have some sort of judicial judgment on that was. I'm I'm I did wrong and I'm willing to be punished and we want to be punished so that. There's some sort of formal accountability with you and this institution that I have tremendous love in connection to the United States marine core. I don't want to just be like kicked out of it now or I do that. I can move on with my life right But let me go. And they weren't because they had just got back from deployment and so they were dealing with other things than just dealing with the punishment for some kid and so my mother was in the parade and Pearl. Harbor got then Congressman Christopher Murphy involved and that was actually the only step that got them to do anything so I just WanNa be clear now. You're the suicide attempt happens in Connecticut. Yes and you are hospitals. You get treatment and then you get flown to Pearl Harbor to go to the break. Yes yes and then I get hospitalized after that to how long are we in the Brigham Pearl Harbor Thirty Days? Yes what was that like not easy again? If you tell somebody when they learn about Pearl Harbor that you will one day be naked on suicide. Watch their with somebody watching you. Twenty four seven and you're not allowed to wear clothes probably wouldn't believe them also presumably undergoing some physical withdrawal. Oh absolutely oh big time. And so it was a very Difficult experience it was very humiliating shameful and embarrassing and so when I was in the break again now Senator Murphy got involved. And who's been a champion of other than honorable discharge issue and his staff actually got them to finally move and so one of the things because they knew they were being watched by a congressional office was they offered me to go to. Rehab in exchange for an other than honorable discharge. So we will treat you for your substance abuse. If you accept and other than honorable discharge and I am twenty one years old and want to move on with my life and I wanna get help and so I say yes. And so at the time there was a law that says if you had. Ptsd or symptoms. You can't be given another honorable discharge. We're finding that that's not been followed at all. I mean my God I mean obviously i. It just seems to me like an. I'm a total. This is just a pundit here but I mean like obviously you had. Ptsd and I mean. I actually had sixteen diagnosed from Navy psychiatrists saying that. I HAD PTSD but they ended up having an anesthesiologist saying that. I don't even though in his not says while he has adjustment disorder which might develop into PTSD so that was a law that was passed in two thousand fourteen. The anesthesiologist no longer can make that decision. And this is just just that people who don't know this this area of policy conflict just to read them in on it thank you. There are a lot of veterans. Like yourself with bad. It's called bad paper charges. And if you have a bad paper discharge everything about your post service. Life becomes way way way more difficult. Va Care all sorts of benefits and from the reporting. I've done and looking issue. There's just a a huge percentage of those folks at that paper. Discharges are people that are somewhat similar to you that are clearly dealing with undiagnosed trauma often substance abuse and then find themselves in the situation which the services are saying to them. Look you fucked up. We want you and this isn't combat related. This isn't something that that happened to war. Even when I think in a lot of cases there's a pretty good argument was absolutely and so that's one of the anxieties to about possibly further in a war with a different country with Iran Is when if we are going to increase our operational tempo and our troop movement. You will see a rise in administrative separations that we've seen since World War Two. It's been a tool that commanders can use to remove troops. That are misconduct dating or not. Or they're not exactly what they need to be to be combat combat ready and so Commander can just arbitrarily removed them to get a fresh good trip And so it's been a tool and yes it especially affects. People are communities of Color affected prior to. Don't ask don't tell The lgbt community right because it becomes essentially an administrative way of dealing with someone. That you that you're at your wit's end about or you don't like for exactly and so. We hold our commissioned officers in this nation very high trust and so we trust them to make the correct decisions and we give them policy to guide them to do that. And I think that that's why these policies have been codified into law and that we should continue to follow. So you're twenty one. You take this other than honorable discharge. You get Rehab. Yes how whereas? Where does we have happened? Rehabs in San Diego California where I get sober for the first time and did you get sober. I did at the time. I'm not sober now right but you. You felt like there was a there was a bit of a page turning in your relationships too substances absolutely. I was at a Substance Abuse Rehabilitation Program ran by the Department of Defense. I was the youngest person. There was the only one who had been deployed into combat and everyone was like thirty forty year old guys who had been in the Navy Air Force Army Marine Corps for twenty years and looked up to me for some reason. They saw me as somebody who had gone to combat and And so it was odd to me that when I stood up and told my story that people listen to me And so that is where I learned that I can articulate things and that other people can't So the injustice we are talking about with bad conduct discharges. I have the opportunity to articulate that so that we can actually get some sort of justice. Where a lot of people either don't have the ability of the capacity or they don't have the power or privilege I do. Yeah Twenty one old. You have deployed twice. Yes you have the discharge from the ring core. You've had a substance problem you have. I think probably untreated. Ptsd do move back. East and go to Undergrad. Yup absolutely go into my Parents House parents basement which is where everybody goes And I didn't have any benefits so I wasn't able to out to sea out to see I was really lost. Fortunately the veteran's affair or the VA or veterans administration saw all of my combat records all of my military records and very quickly recognized that I had PTSD and that my service for them was considered honorable so that allowed me to get a disability rating. Gave me access to the? Va which gave me access to a program called vocational rehabilitation which gave me access to the shadow which allowed me to apply to an undergraduate degree. And you went to Undergrad College. I graduated from Sacred Heart University in two years because I was afraid that the government would say you are not allowed to have these benefit. Hell so I to race. Oh yeah eight classes a semester and you laid her. I ended up actually living with I with a roomful or a house of girls and then Live with a few veterans on campus as well and actually again that's where I started sort of my world of advocacy again being able to have a conversation with administrators with professors teachers. That other people weren't able to and so be doing so leading the way for other veterans. Too dumb come in and reintegrate themselves into society so then you decide to go to divinity school you become a pastor and I want to talk about that right after we take this quick break a wise this happening listeners. It's mainly MSNBC correspondent and host of the new podcast into America. What happens if you're one of the more than two million? Americans sitting behind bars as owner virus spreads this week. I talked to a Colorado woman who is struggling to remain in contact with her incarcerated husband that I don't know what's going on. I don't know is he? Okay is e CIG. 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I was very fortunate to be brought up in a very Roman Catholic household That's not a sentence that is always uttered that way. No it's not. What if I'm somebody who tries to see the positive? I feel the same way. I feel very extremely grateful for my Catholic upbringing. You know my father was a jesuit seminarian for six years. His uncle was Ah Jesuit and had been a President Loyal University and my my dad's parents went to mass every day. I mean they were very very religious people and I grew up in the church and and I feel grateful for that. Lots of people don't necessarily feel that way and I. Obviously I'm not a practicing Catholic now and not raising my kids that way so I have some ambivalence about too but but I'm in the same place. I'm grateful for what that upbringing was absolutely and so I really appreciated that. And it really. Not just informed my spirituality but gave me good knowledge. We talk about this. Catholic intellectual tradition and there is a long long strain of intellectual or Catholic intellectual tradition which I had access to and so my identity now as mainline liberal Protestant is informed by my tradition as a Roman Catholic. And I think really really to my benefit and so for my entire life. I always had a great relationship with God. I always even when I was depressed growing up as a teenager I could yell at God could get angry at God but God was always there and then I had a lot of experiences which brought me closer into the Holy Spirit so we for me the Holy Spirit. You know we get this feeling when we are standing up for justice when our when our ears get flushed and we're doing something powerful That's difficult when we're being courageous when we're standing up for others. Were speaking truth to power. The Holy Spirit is moving through US and so I got to see that and feel that in different ways and so I am somebody who thinks again. I have a very close relationship with God. The Father Holy Spirit and then Jesus Christ is became human so that we could know him and he did things you mentioned on previous shows that he said some really nice things about caring for the poor and other things about caring for Refugees and immigrants injures he did these things and so I like that. Because that's real for me and the resurrection as well as real so when we talk about failure when we talk about anger and death and grieving and and these eighteen nineteen year olds who are fighting our wars and really killing something part of their souls. I am faith that believes in resurrection and that resurrection and resiliency is so important in order to build a life in the future. I have a really had a really strong relationship with God and I was very fortunate for that even when I was said even today. When I'm sad I can pray to God and I can feel better today. I see God more and people in Genesis. We learned that we were all created in the image of God. And if you look at the human race we're very diverse. We are very pluralistic. We all believe different things. We look differently and that is how I celebrate. God God is so much greater than anything we can ever imagine and so people who try to make God smaller or define. What you can doesn't it does. I don't comprehend that because human capacity can understand the God that I worship and so this Trinitaria in God this God this Jesus Christ that calls us to ransom captive to set the oppressed free to do these things. gives me the imagination for a world where the lion sleeps with the lamb where nations are under one banner. And I think that that's one of the important. Things is having an imagination for a world that doesn't exist today. Having a world of imagining a world where there are no prisons. Imagine a world where there are no guns I think It's really hard for us to have an imagination about that world When we want justice when we wanna feel better and so that's I think where I am today With my relationship with God is seeing the beauty and the wonder and things but also seeing God in the The sadness and in in destruction. And you know I'll give them a shout out my confirmations. I ask them every week. Where did you see God and one of them yesterday? Saw God just in. They had crocuses that they were worried was GonNa die over the frost and they didn't and they saw God in something surviving through a difficult situation. I mean this is. It's very inspiring and beautiful to me and I. I think I often wish that I had a faith like that or or relationship to God like that which I don't think I've ever really had. But what was it in you after you graduate? That said I want to basically make this my calling. I mean that I'm going to go to divinity school and be and this is going to be the thing that I do sure so I wanted other people to feel that way I think this is a world that is suffering. This is a world. I think we're all hurting. We're all sad sometimes and I want people to be able to see resurrection. I want people to understand that there is life after failure and so you know I got away from the Catholic faith because You know I didn't agree with a lot of the way that Leadership kind of presented themselves into the world. We live in today and so it kind of opened up a whole world for me And again going back to. I believe one of my guests is I can talk. I have the ability to articulate things. And so how as Thomas? Can I do the best for the world? What is the thing I can do? That uses my power my privilege. Where can I do the most good and so I thought really hard about that? I wanted to be a teacher. 'cause like I said I taught I saw the little Afghan girls and I was like well. If you teach girls how to read you save the world so I was good with that and then I recognized that maybe I could do something a little bit more a little bigger and so I love the fact that my calling is to preach the good news of the Gospel the good news of Jesus Christ because I believe it is good news but also it gives me an opportunity to work with people outside of just the Christian world And to be again that same ambassador. I wasn't Afghanistan to be an ambassador for my faith to show what we really can do as a Christian community and to make the world a better place you go to Yale Divinity School and become a pastor in the United Church of Christ which is a mainline Protestant church and you are now. What is your practice like now? What like what's the day in your life like sure so today. I taught a senior center class about religious freedom yesterday in the morning we had church. Obviously where's your church in Weston Connecticut? So you you're the pastor of a church in Western Connecticut. I am the associate minister. So much More wiser and and grand and better Senior Minister Okay. Sergeant there ex. Oh actually he was the chaplain of the navy. Okay yeah like being as EXO. So we had our annual meeting which is conducts. The business of the Church for the year later on I had To my house to have a little quiz about the history of Christianity Today like I said I taught religious freedom to seniors Tomorrow we'll have a staff meeting But more in terms of the less practical in more spiritual prayer la I pray for people I recognize now that praying for people who you may not like actually helps you like them. You can develop a relationship with a person and love them just by thinking about them and reflecting on them And I think that that's very important again using that imagination to imagine somebody to empathize with somebody else. And then I preach I love preaching preachings favorite things in the entire world Because it uses those skills I gained as an English guy to do critical analysis of taxed. And then give some sort of message that I believe is going to move my congregants closer to each other and to God and I really enjoy doing that and so I'm very happy with the life that somehow after that whole story Emerged that I'm in a a wonderful place. Where like I mentioned if there are kids going through situations that I did. I get to be the one that say. This is okay that I love you that I'm GonNA listen to you that you're safe and it's very rewarding it's difficult. It's absolutely difficult. But it's very rewarding pastor. Thomas Burke Junior is a pastor at the United Church of Christ heat to combat deployments with the Marine Corps one in Iraq and Afghanistan. And you can follow him on twitter as I do at. Tc Burke junior goes by space chaplain. Which is how I crossed my radar screen. Thank you very much. That was really great. Thank you very much Chris once again. My great thanks to Thomas Burke who you can find as TC burke junior on twitter. He's a pastor in the United Church of Christ who is also the CFO treasure of high ground. That's which is very cool organization. We love to hear your feedback. Tiffany champion Manning. The with body marriages with pottage. Email dot com and as always. We monitor the Hashtag a with pod on twitter. So send us your thoughts people. You'd like to hear from. I'm particularly interested in this question of. Are you seeking things other than the pandemic right now or are you just wanting just pure constant pandemic content going into your ear holes? Like little virus-infected travels. Why did I take that metaphor all the way I did? Why is this happening is presented by MSNBC AND NBC News produced by all in team and features music? By any cooper. 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Episode 334 - The War on Christmas 2019
"Atheist nomads episode three thirty four. The War on Christmas twenty nineteen dont`a the where rages on being allowed to listen to includes cursing and talking about who hawes please be advised. Welcome to episode of atheists nomads. I am destined joining me is Lauren. Hi I'm confused. A few is how come I don't have eggnog. Did you want so with ice cream specifically cut with milk because it's so thick you have you have dude I do. I'm shaky at him right now. I just didn't notice until just now. So you know the go on to say you need it. I just gave birth to your kid nothing. It's all right that's fine. I asked for trump orders and you did not order a drink. We're reporting live from the frontlines of the war semester. Gross hello and jinx slow firmly business so we are GonNa do the hand. I love you guys. I didn't know what to do with them though. It's called overbooked booked okay. It's a comedy podcast for people who want to read but don't have time Nice. You like the idea of being in a book club. But you don't actually want to do that. Do the work yeah. Let's somebody else's right or go notes. How do you guys find time to read the book? We don't okay. Yeah sometimes. Sometimes we'll like kind of read the desk jacket or something and then just you know laycock audible chapters God. I love the reading. The dust jacket of books books. And then just making it up as you go and say this is how I think the book should go. It's what it's what I did when they went to like a regular book club a couple of times. I didn't read this book but I'm GonNa fake picket now without the pretense we know the character of the person hosting probably right at you disagree with what they say. Yeah so so. When we have guests they disagree with US awesome? We're late She's not although sometimes we try to find a guest who has read the book so then we leave feeling like maybe we did too yes very nice very ernest. The point is really good at talking. Shit nothing me down to about the game success right there all right well it sounds like the exact opposite of the podcast. I'm watching next month with that. Schisms religion divided like the papal schism. Yes the first season of 453 where the churches that are. Now known. As the Oriental Orthodox churches split off from what was the rest of Christianity. Yes when the two popes party ways for Greg. Is that Pope Greg Way before the Gregory's Bourbon. This is before the urban okay. So we were in the lake. There's just so random to me is like pope. Greg is like what nope Greg Dave. Are you just throwing out names. They're the anger is but those Greg. Pope Greg and pope urban our favorite pope's okay. Okay have a favorite right. I like to go for the underdogs. Just sound like a Gregg preferably murdered urban greg listeners of this podcast. Of course you've probably heard me talk about these various schisms as we were going into the history of the eastern Orthodox churches that all started with one of your question about what is the Russian Orthodox Church in how is it different than the rest of Christianity and hats. It turned out was hats. Incredibly complicated hid in depth and I went way more in depth than I needed to and also way more in depth than I could in the amount of time that I was trying to cover it in so I'm now doing a podcast just US covering that right. It's not as simple as hats. More like hat envy Greek Orthodox into the whole. That's the schism of in fifty three the ten fifty three skits. Of course. Oh yeah degrees. Also known as the East West Schism. All right we're has the schism of four fifty. Three is more commonly referred to as the Council of Chalcedon. Have Her just the counseling and we already happened but it is actually really what it really comes down to it. That is Great Schism Kinda Rock. Yeah there probably are rocks. It was a city in. What's now Turkey? Oh Cool L.. Saddam is kind of a well. Donnie isn't like white soft thing to Kashmir. That's right right I wish I had a clicker right now so I could count how many times we said just gives them and that was the joke joke was that he was talking about these schisms during doesn't have the degree I'm like you're saying it because you like to say the word and then he made it the title on all right and and let's say it if you want to find the podcast you can find it schism pie dot com that's S. C. H. M. P. O. D. Dot dot com decorate tear. It is already in he apple podcast. Google podcast spotify tune in stitcher. And I think a couple others I am still working on getting into more directories but getting it in most of the big ones is on here saying all this. But there's no episode soda. That's worth their teaser. There is a five or six minute teaser about the show the episodes sizzler. He's advertising advertising. The teaser for his. But then you can sign up for the feed right and then you could subscribe to it. And I had to get that out so I could get it in the directories and now you can subscribe to it. You can listen to the teaser trailer. And then when it the first episode actually drops on January six you will. We'll get it right. Perfect that's great. Lucky out of the purse so yes I should be fun in news we have. Hey this is dustin jumping jumping in and editing. Because I can't not talk about the biggest news story of the Decade Donald J. A trump has been impeached on two counts abuse of power and obstruction of Ju of Congress. So both the crime and the pattern of behavior as well as the cover up attempt and one thing that. I'm sure we're all going to be singing the news since I'm recording. According this you know this little bit here just a couple of hours after the house had his vote and even some of the news coverage there. They're already starting to get into trying to paint it. Really partisan and one of the things that I think is worth really making sure. It's clear here. There is a Republican voted for impeachment on both counts. Justin Amash is not a democrat. He is a Republican. Who was expelled from the Party for supporting impeachment? This is a perfect case in point. On how issues can become partisan by unilateral decision the Republicans decided that this was going to be a partisan issue so anybody that breaks with them is not a Republican and is thus kicked out of the party that is not how democracy should work and that is fits in perfectly flee with the the entire impeachment issues the arguments that they were making were complete. Bullshit I watched some live. I read some some media summaries of some of them While I was at work today and the Democrats tried to stay on on on point they try to keep on topic and focus on the issues at hand whereas Republicans were trying to deny reality. Basically that was it. They were just trying to deny reality claiming that what happened. Didn't claiming that impeachment was an attempt to undo the two thousand sixteen election That's that's not what it is claiming that it's unconstitutional when it absolutely is constitutional claiming that it's a violation violated the separation of powers at absolutely false. It is absolutely a part of the separation of powers with the checks and balances part of it. The Constitution has impeachment written into specifically for somebody who is elected president and is abusing that power to hold onto the presidency such as and explicitly for trying to get help from foreign governments to help with reelection bids which is exactly what is happening. Impeachment was written for this exact scenario. It's amazing amazing. That has taken so long to get to the exact case where what for which impeachment was written. But it's here and when one party is trying to find the truth and take actions and the other party is denying reality. That is incredibly credibly. Disappointing it is a travesty. If you see those talking points fight them because they are bullshit they are lies and we'll see how this goes when it goes to the Senate for trial where the jury foreman majority leader in the. US Senate is already coordinating with the defense attorney which is also quite the travesty. We'll see how this all plays out and back to the episode code for our first one. We're going to start off heavy and then we'll get to the war on Christmas which is just a lot more fun a Tennessee. Sheriff's deputy is accused of groping groping a woman and forcing her to choose between going to jail and being baptized in a lake late at night in February by force. I don't feel like that's how baptisms work. I don't think that's a choice. Motor stops. Take any of it work. No this is my motor stops commercial. This is it how it works Madam. Please exit the motor motor. Stop Take it gets worse than that. Yeah the officer saw her leave a convenience store and decided to follow her until she got to a friend's house and stopped at which point he stopped and accused her of having meth so searched her bra for it so he incorrectly actually remove her bra and shake it out either in searched her car and I keep my math and took nipples per key. He didn't find any meth in the car but he did find one marijuana cigarette which admitted that she had yeah she admitted to yeah. Yeah just like one marijuana cigarette it that's how it was written to. So they'll refer he then called her a piece of shit and asked her for if she was saved red flags so many red flags that point. I'd be like sure I'd like your sergeants number. Believe you because you just called me a piece of Shit because this is why I carry a copy a pocket constitution in my bag all the time. Yeah right now knows DA Also he made her choose between going to jail or getting baptized but then turns out to went to jail anyway. Recess right so he. He told her that he'd he'd been speaking to God throughout the interaction. Sure sure I needed to ask her if she was saved. And that was when heathens like yeah you can either go to jail or we get baptized and she opted apparently opted for getting baptized. Wrong mistake. Mistake wrong decision. The one she could've been raped and killed and left for dead in the lake. Yes which I assume was I assume was what was going to happen happen Also she could have gone straight to the jail and had contact with other officers who you may have been like. Oh yeah he's a bit nuts but when you have to work the next day or if you have kids you need to get home to and you're like Oh my God fine. I cannot like like spend the night in jail. You'RE GONNA do whatever you can do. was He reprimanded in anyway. I didn't I didn't see anything about that. Quote unquote quote paid. Leave and I wasn't clear about this. That another officer showed up. Yes Oh okay they got to the lake and got called it in the the officers. Yeah this seems reasonable to there to there. We'll baptist a code sixty nine here okay. I'll over the officers strip down to his underwear. You use obviously necessary to baptize. Someone all know this all. You don't WanNa be you know spending the rest of your patrol in a wet cloth. Close your underwear fine. The women refuse to remove for closing. Okay good I finally made a smart choice. She already had taken her bra off. Yup Up and so there. She is fully dressed there. He is in his underwear they go into the lake and he dunks underwater and while she's under water is when the other officer arrives in probably freaks out because he's watching a coworker drown someone. Yeah and wasn't this wasn't this officer also didn't it didn't he. Like 'cause guide have to have like anal surgery because he like ahead aggressively cavity searched him so hard really the same guy assery history. He's he's a real cutie. Yeah shouldn't be searching anybody for anything late at night. There was this Tennessee. Yeah that tracks you can literally say any state now. Yeah and it's like so. Yeah there's yeah there's obviously they're going to be Tennessee or Florida actually to the other ones that the anal cavity one right which required actual medical treatment and surgery to fix the damage he made to this guy's anus hurt so bad you have to work so hard I mean. Let's be real like want to hurt someone. Yeah he'd have to like he was purposely hurting that person. That's not like a mistake. He made because he didn't know the anatomy and it looks like it's just a history of horrible activity not just from these two from the one one officer. The Guy Other guy that showed up also has a bunch of accusations that he's done horrible things and it looks like it's just that department does horrible shitty things. Yeah and nobody cares. And they're suing. She's suing them for eleven. Million dollars is what I read. Is that good. Eleven million dollars the idea of Having to take money from police departments because so many of them are so spread thin already but no. That's awful if they keep keep these people on staff they need to pay for it Matt Awful. Yeah I'm sorry if you get raped by the cops you eleven million dollars that's how it works. There's the price tag on that. It's eleven million and baptism seems like a normal. Okay thing America okay. No they're wrong. I I mean gene voluntary when he was a nice sunny weekend and board John Blake. You can't like that's not that how it works like the whole thing as I understand it. I'm not a I'm not a church going sin but the way I understand. Baptism to work. Is You say. Do you believe blahdy Blah Blah. Jesus son of God Blah Blah whatever dunk dunk dunk. I don't think I can't just hold your head underwater and be like your Christian now bitch. That's that's not how it works. Repent what to believe in that kind of immersion baptism. Anyway that's not even like a standard Christian belief it's assume most Protestants not all Protestants believe in baptism. By Immersion Episcopal Lutherans both do infant baptism awesome with the sprinkling much Catholics and the Orthodox Churches Pez itunes a methodist both sprinkle inter. I I've only ever been to sprinkling baptisms. Yeah I've only been to Dunkin was like either like a church that was non denominational and they had snakes around or Just a straight up like southern baptist. Church yeah so yeah you'll find in those groups and seventh day. Adventists do baptism by immersion. There's a whole big ceremony with civilians aren't allowed to D- Athlete. That's a whole different. Now you're eight or something adventists wedding dress or something. Yeah I was. I was baptized at twelve. And it was there. There is a lot of study going into it and then actually going through the process and the imagery that's used to describe it as a you're being lowered into a watery grave. And then you will is your sinful self is dying in that water and then you are you rise from the grave reborn which to me implies you should be a little scared and I think that's weird. There is a fear of death. Yeah Okay I trust this guy is going to be here. But DOT DOT dot eighty trainer with the guns says that he's going to lower you into a watery grave. Yep Good Times that is fucking torture. Yeah now we'll have have. has anyone ever died being baptized. Yes Yeah sharer rivers. That's my God I am like my stomach is very upset by this is an river baptisms mostly in Africa where it gets the water actually gets away from crocodiles showing might happen in the US with crocodiles. They're picking the wrong time of season like it's finally getting warm out and it's starting to run off and his kids can't hold their feet right. Those undertow rock while you're being paranoid it's all true out right now. There is true being washed way down there and gone bad sorry true. It was consensual. Yup Yep Yep so yeah that's a whole bunch of nonsense nonsense. Well well stay at Tennessee. Kids yeah so next up. We've got the runner who I'm sure everybody's seen the video don't assume anything. This guy was running in a race. Listen in Savannah. Georgia was Thanksgiving date. RUN RUN RUN. You'll Turkeytrot. Yeah something like that as December seven. Okay okay so he's running along and grabs the ass of a reporter. That's on live TV Well because this is the other day this at this point is about a week ago. Yeah so she's reporting on the fun run and the guy comes up behind her as he runs by and grabs her but she's like the look of shock on her face like she's like what's up Sir ass and squeezes. Wow did anyone stop him. He just come running chapter on so she filed a complaint with the police and the police turned him down and arrested because it was on video. He's got a number on. I assume she had to register like it wasn't hard to find pastor Thomas Calloway soon barrel. That's how so you use pastor for seizing you better cool yeah cool you cool. Slacked does is magic illusionist. Yeah I did. He just not think that through. Apparently he didn't. I'm sure it was just like. Hey I bet this'll be funny because I'll summarize that that's funny so he he apologized is as apologize for publicly saying that. He saw people giving her the high fives and so he was just going in for didn't realize where his hand was. which is that's why? When he makes eye contact with her ass the moment before he does it? Yeah I would look much wayman doing it. He knew exactly what let bullshit I would respect him so much more he was like like I thought it would be funny to slap her ass scare her even though that's reprehensible thing to do twenty years ago on his high realistically if you assume that he is a roughly average height mail and she's enough roughly average height female. Yeah going in for a high five. All you're running along long you extend your arm out and you drop it a couple of inches. Yup that's it. Yeah Yeah and you're not going to squeeze so and you don't squeeze because you're gonNA break your arm that way. He had to slow down. You don't look at somebody's ass while you're doing it right. Yeah Yeah I don't and I'm trying to figure out like was he coming from behind reporting on the racers coming from behind her. Yeah so she okay okay. So she didn't see him coming at all he went by the squeeze kept on running and what was funny is some people have made comments on. The video is that He might see her. What kind of like me some joke about? What kind of pastor is because he didn't go for the little boy that was right in front of a did she do the thing that so many of us do and we hate ourselves for where she got mad had and then immediately laughed it off? Did she stay mad. She Stayed Mad. G D C. I didn't see this video on. Can we pause and actually look at the video. Can we watch this video real quick to. Oh Yeah Yeah questions I want to see. Is there video or sound nothing. You really need it. But her her reaction is no. She didn't even have her hand out. You know like Lowe's looking okay. Another ass he's biting his lower lip like that was and he'd smacked her heart like look going in hard. Yeah you can tell that. She's just shocked by it. Look at her. Oh that's upsetting. Wow yeah wow and everybody has to see her do this but I'm so glad that she she didn't laugh it off. Yeah yeah good for her. What a Dick? Look at the look on his face. The biting of the lower part. Right where it's like. Yeah you are a fucking Predator. Yeah Oh my wow yep upset. He's so I can eat a bag. Academics was set at least somewhat highs. So he's at least like voluntarily paying for it but thirteen hundred dollars that full shit and he has been charged with sexual battery which is a misdemeanor. So he doesn't have to register. Any sexual battery is a misdemeanor in Georgia. What you'll yeah? Wow what most people and this is something that most to unless you listen to say opening arguments or other legal podcasts or a lawyer that assault is making. Somebody afraid that they're going to get harmed right. Battery is harming them. Yeah so of sexual assault is making somebody think she might get raped. Sexual Battery is actually doing something short of the definition of rape right. That's it's physical Dallas Battery assault. Because she was not aware of shady neighbor and her yeah there was no fear that it was going to happen. Because it was a surprise. And that's a misdemeanor and that is a misdemeanor in the state of Georgia batteries misdemeanor no more than a year in jail. Wow well then it's up to yeah. I guess the Internet to ruin his life now. Don't ruin his life. Yeah no make. Laws more consistent theme pastor. He's now youth pastor. Yeah he should not be allowed to be youth pastor. I get I get that. A bunch of like middle aged older white guys are USA puts up it was. It was just a joke but really got a this is not good. He can't be teaching kids that that's that's okay. You cannot ought touch. Someone's ass without consent you anyone. You can't touch anybody. I teach us in my preschool class. All it's three understand I. That's one thing some preschoolers I I teach. I teach it all the time and I hear him say it and it makes me so happy like I'm starting. I'm young. I hear them all the time. Like no thank you. This is my personal space. Please don't touch me. They say man. I'm so happy to be able to give them the power to have the words to feel confident to say a- and I know it's a hard concept and for them to already be rolling around in their brains by the time they're adolescence concrete as you know what maybe people who grow up not cut slapped people's ask Georgia. I feel like this guy should meet the Tennessee cops. That's what I think it'd be great buddy. So that's true new youth pastor. I've Bapti someone bend over to my best work. At the very least he should not be allowed to be working with children. Yeah which has job with our children for people. They're going to be teenage girls that are going to be in his youth groups that he will be responsible for that he will have time alone with MHM guaranteed. Yeah that's okay and also all like that are probably rapist to so youth pastor that I was like wow I could hey good feeling from him. That's never happened. And I've met a lot of them. So no they're Most people who wanna be Pastors Shire's that spent time as youth pastors. That's the first job when they have no idea what the hell they're doing to get that experience so they can move on to being thing a senior pastor or higher up than faster the ones who stay as youth pastors. There's something wrong that's right. They're there for a reason like people who volunteer A summer camps for like one summer. Too Long you've been a counselor here for fourteen years ago man you're seventy two you guy up at the U. of I who lived in the dorms. You know the guy. I don't know the guy the guy the I was like. Who's like twenty seven and still in the dorms when Ruby? Dave an offer to take you know artistic photos. My first college roommate was a graduate student. Who was like thirty two and I was like what I am seventeen? What are we doing? Yeah Yeah My. My brothers still living in Moscow. And he's thirty almost thirty. He's not in the dorms but he hangs out with all the young kids because they're the ones that wanted to go to parties. Are the only ones there you to get out of there with his Matthew mcconnahey. It's hilarious but when I saw that hilarious it's gotten older I've gotten so. We've we've covered Tennessee and Tennessee and Georgia Georgia. Now we're going to move to California here. We take great. The Clermont united the Methodist Church has set up their activity seen. Oh yeah I read this one with Jesus wrapped a silver blanket. The holy family is separated needed and each one is in a cage in Jesus's in a cage it's in between Joseph and Mary silver blankets the OC shelter. Yes yeah yeah. I thought this was on the knows. It was fantastic. You cannot be yourself a decent Christian pro-lifer whatever and not be shocked dismayed and try and protesting. What's going on in the on our borders? Yeah you you just can't and in California. I thought this was great. I was like good for you. Methodists yeah this is the one time that a church can actually use their moral standing. They claim to have to do something positive by using that voice to say to people. Hey you know the your savior that you love. Then you're Christians and all of us you know they'll save here we love. Here's like it's accurate. It's it works like it's I think it's the best thing they could have done for. Sure I think the interview with lady she was basically saying you know. How would we treat this young couple? If they were to show up on our borders nowadays you know pregnant yet. We'd lock them up or thrown on back. You're right yeah it's upsetting. You are right Kylie. You should be outraged. Say This is an outrage. Yeah get outrage yes. And they're actually out the only church doing it. There's one loss felice that has also. Yeah good because somebody might see that that that speaks to them Liam a lot we already are. We know that that's the story but somebody may not believe that story and then see that and be like. Oh Oh yeah. The police. One looks like they were just using dog crates. That's cheaper cheaper. The Claremont one day they have looks like chain-link cages with razor wire along the roof line they had budgets and very bright light shining down on top of them. Yeah they they had the money to actually help us recreate. We do it up as long as they do it. According to like the law says about churches in their public displays you know what I mean. Like as long as it's done properly. Yeah I'm surprised it wasn't the same group that did it. L. And the churches with their public displays is you can have your public displays on churches that churches. That's perfectly fine. That's pretty much it. It's your property. Get in there if it's on church property that's that's where it should be. Yeah Yeah but the SEGUES nicely to the war on Christmas rages on. Robert Jeffress Mega Church pastor from Dallas Texas one of trump's the head of trump's evangelical advisory council frequent contributor on Fox News mostly defending trump. Because he's a pastor and of course he trump's such successful Christian. Yeah Yeah right yeah. It all makes perfect sense. He went on Fox News to part of it was just complaining about Nancy Pelosi and impeachment and in particular on Pelosi's as a Catholic statement one on the attack on that. Yeah which I also call bullshit shit on but for totally different reasons right. The part I really want to focus on here is not what Pelosi said and what he said about that is what he said Said next which I have here. Pope Francis getting involved in basically comparing president trump to king. Herod are at. This is pretty nasty stuff look King Herod is one try a murder mill thousands things of children trying to get rid of Jesus. President trump is one who is protected. The lives of children in the wound the most pro-life president in History Herod wanted to extinguish Christmas by getting rid of Christ. Before the first Christmas president trump celebrates Christmas has brought it back to the forefront of our country and that means bringing being Christ back as well which is obviously the goal of the presidency. Yeah because you know Church and state should be there was Lou. Lou Dobbs asking him about Pope Francis comparison between trump and Herod which I did not hear enough about look. I had not heard that. Yeah this is news to me. Yeah Yeah and frankly. I don't particularly care on that detail. But this this defense of trump against it for one herod didn't kill all of the children in Bethlehem or all of the children in Judea that is found in one. Ancient shouldn't text matthew John doesn't have it Luke doesn't have it Josephus doesn't cover it and let's just admit matthew was high and this is the most reliable right detailed in horrifying extensive details all of the horrible horrible herbal things that Herod did like killing of his. So so it's a little more impartial. Right yes or somebody claiming to be a disciple of Virginia State this is Josephus wrote about Herod Killing his own children. He did not write about killing every baby under two. Yeah that was this sounds like on those over-simplified story tales that they like a little kid and Sunday school where you learn later as an adult that that's not quite how the story goes. Here's what we meant but some people never learn the actual story. They just this sound bite from when they were kids. Yeah this is is more likely. Somebody was telling the Pharaoh killing all the Hebrew babies when Moses was born story confused with Jesus or just thought. Hey that's a cool story to add in here with Jesus everybody hates Herod. So that's the same thing. Yeah Oh that's terrible. Well Dogs Lawrence smoked out. Here is uh-huh Brimstone. I'm just GONNA smell again. Well it's all right definitely smell dogs. It's but okay. I'm not getting any closer between I don't know which one it is. It seemed to be straight up. He's just really hates this story in Green. I I think I think it's funny to the just because someone celebrates Christmas that suddenly we can say that he's bringing Christmas to the forefront not at the forefront residence it was always a pretty big deal really took over last year Oh yeah yeah let's best everybody would celebrate Hanukkah. I seem to remember Barack Obama doing quite the Christmas celebrations elaborations sure. Brock Obama didn't have a White House decorated with horrors every Christmas. Oh God I haven't seen this year though the Carrie Hallway the red wedding and then the one before that was that creepy contest enchanted forest So I've seen this year's Yeah I've been doing it. was you know it's still. It's like not exactly what I would call like. Oh what has it been chest of holiday. Family centered scary scary. It's mostly white. Okay so it's like okay. You're still serve kind of missing the mark but but somebody got in there and was like listen. At least I don't don't feel like endanger you know stab so jeffers claimed that made the Herod claim for okay. That's that didn't happen. Didn't kill babies right okay. So that did not happen. That's ally early. An inaccurate factually inaccurate statements uh-huh mythology that he's throwing but he's throwing aspect the comparison that trump is the most pro-life president ever no pro unborn many abortions. You think that man has paid for all my God so many so many probably has has his own guy. Yeah you probably does want to know why women are coming forward about their. He's probably paying off. I don't know anyway. A largest closure they'd lose more money if they came forward then also their whole lives. Who'd yeah and so he yes? He is appointed did the most conservative jackasses to the Supreme Court and rest of the courts. That is the only thing he has done. Actually against a t to restrict access to abortion. Yes pretty much a and then talk about it a lot. I wouldn't say his pro-life no oh no especially when you consider the number of children that are dying on the border. Yeah that's also a life issue. Yeah still life also promoting death penalties brown though Suu. They're they're just so brown. Yeah Surrogate Chef Penalty. He's actively trying to Gut Medicaid. Yeah right so. People Know Medicaid Medicaid so everyone people poor people people apple pregnant women and children mostly every dollar taken away from Medicaid increases the abortion rate. Yeah that is is an actual verifiable thing when you increase funding for Medicaid and you allow mortar poorer women to have access to contraceptives there are fewer abortions. uh-huh yeah some women want to be baby machines. Most don't yeah most most who had a couple of times like you know what that's good it's funny money and you also get better. Health outcomes for both mom and baby when it's planned yeah or at least not additional burden even unplanned. If it's not like ruin your entire circumstance you're going to be homeless or something then. Yeah you can usually cope. Yeah you never can really afford a kid you know but You can't can't plan for that but there's some people really can't afford really can't their life is going to be highly yogurt. Get it. So that's Gobert eighty nine cents to friends fricken a and it tastes terrible sour. Patch Yogurt Sorry they have gag. Greek Yogurt Yogurt. That's actually pretty good. ooh that sounds perfect. It's it's Yummy. They're pretty high in sugar. But I feel like it's a good trade off probiotics anyway. What are we talking about? Move on just WANNA make sure. It's very clear rubber. Jefferson's Aligarh who lies. Okay that's why trump likes him is is he is a liar who lies. He's sticks rather and other pants on. Fire Yup yeah. And he's got to know that he is a dirty the fricken liar. He does know but he also understands the power of sane at once because people will believe anything yet warrant one million more on the war on the war on the Warren Christopher has signed a petition demanding that net net Flix remove a Brazilian crispus movie. It's a short loosely Christmas. It's not even really a Christmas movie. It's Christ centric movie. It's called the well about the English translation of the name is the first impression of Christ. It is available on Netflix in the Christmas section. And that's what's funny. The is that it is actually marketed. As Christmas movie when the subject is Law Netflix puts everything that could even remotely guide relate to Christmas which I'm glad holiday horse it. It does make searching for Christmas movies way here. It is absolutely hilarious satirical comedy I feel like that's important. Yeah yes continually satirical comedy and yeah we did watch it the other day and it was funny and a million people have signed a petition to remove it. Are they going to remove it they. Yeah Yeah we got to watch it. So the reason they're protesting is that Jesus Jesus comes home from the desert with a lover who is male and is fabulous but yeah so how dare you. Oh you know say that Jesus Christ was gay. And I'm like well. Actually you know who I should say that. He was also satirical comedy the oldest for you guys all right crazy fundamental Islam right now like that's the only thing keeping evangelical from being crazy Islamicists. I'm assists is satirical comedy on to laugh at yourselves but Yeah it was funny it was it was fairly short and they. Do you speak very quick Portuguese. So if you're not good at reading subtitles you might WANNA skip it. But it was great and I encourage everyone to go watch it and turn it on. Uh even if you don't watch it just turn it on. They have the numbers. Oh yeah that's true. Yeah days it's like forty five minutes short short one. I got time for that is. There's a lot of fun we're not GonNa give out any sport engage oaks. Everybody needs to watch it. Okay but but God does show up and yeah yeah. It's just hilarious hot. I should hope it's got like that. LUMBERJACK hipster look to him in new. It's obviously hot. It was created in his image server. I was created Buddha's image. I think the liberty counsel is Does their annual naughty nicely celebrity cancel. These guys are the Liberty University no no no the legal group that will defend anybody WHO's trying to force Christianity into government. Okay all right. That's their big deal And they are. They're defending defending who are are trying to force yes okay. So they're they're still the bad guy so he could have the opposite of the ACLU. Okay okay okay. Liberty Counsel opposite of the Word Liberty is like synonymous with bad people. Because anybody who talks about liberty is a fascist. The more savvy school kids the more somebody talks about liberty the more they want to take it away that is. That's not a word the rest of us. It's just not a thing I say like. I'm just really proud of my liberty liberties cozy. It's nice that we have these liberties something they say they do. Their annual Naughty and Nice list The Nice list is people who fully embrace Christmas list is people who are anti Christmas. The people are waging war on Christmas. How do they where do they come down on Honda days? Well let's let's check. I cheer he has access to the list somewhere. I have the list up now on. Today's okay so the Nice Nice list is American. Eagles Bath and Body Works Department Store Belco Best Buy Bonner. Christmas Wonderland Crispus Crispus. Place Dillard's hallmark of all places that actually had turtles. Merry Christmas posted somewhere in their store. They have Jesus stuff offers that the story yeah. JC Pity Kirkland Kmart. Kohl's Lowe's macy's right okay. We we like yeah. This holiday season for a Christian holiday that is dominates the season so of course those people who have that stuff was funny as you're seeing more and more like banners they'll say like l.. Say Merry Christmas seasons greetings all these little things and hey it's on there. Yeah the naughty list. Okay this is this is the interesting interesting one. There are ninety. Four silence or censoring Christmas. Okay Oh Bonk Bonk only gonna read some of them okay. This is longer than this burns and noble now I was just there like it was not silenced at all Kirke much feet shoved in your face there is it's a nice music playing ground zero for chaos. They want okay so all right now. This list was published before Christmas. Okay so apparently if you're waiting until Thanksgiving was Polish before Thanksgiving so if you're waiting until after Thanksgiving to switch to Christmas must music. Oh my God that makes so much more sense all right. Oh these people are evil. Yeah of course Burlington coat factory. Dick Sporting goods well who including old navy happened and a Republican and wants to walk into a gap and there's Christmas carols playing that's is not what gap is getting ready to carry on bloop there. Philip is frigging Mariah Carey. She takes so much bank on Christmas rite aid walgreens. Okay Walgreen doesn't even sell you cigarettes without giving you a stink and target watt. Okay now because also I was just there and that was definitely the full of Christmas. Christmas tastic for Thanksgiving Christmas stuff up at Halloween Halloween. They did like half. The store is Christmas. I don't but they also have rainbow ornaments so do by November twenty two one. There was a section on their website and and the article linked to in the show notes from right wing. Watch has a screen shot of a part of holiday. Season is here. Oh 'cause they said holiday well well let's let's continue on under that category there is black. Friday sneak peek family pajamas. All things Christmas gift ideas waitered categories Thanksgiving Black Friday Christmas electronic video games toys. Maybe maybe I mean they did have they did have a big a big Hanukkah display in the mid west. So maybe maybe they're like well you can't how dare you have of it but yeah no Target terrible terrible literally do naughty list at least do it right. Don't be just like making up stuff because you had a bad checker at target. What happens if you are on the naughty list? Nothing nothing all the people that shop a hobby lobby stopped going there. You haven't a a oppressed anybody so you're fine. It's going to encourage people who take it seriously to go to Walmart and said of target because Walmart's the good list right. Yeah but target is a step up from Walmart so in price. Yeah I mean L.. Yeah I put it up above but maybe not you know what it goes to show. It ain't no DILLARD's but I felt I felt I I did. I did a lot of Christmas shopping yesterday. And I've felt I mean. In my opinion I felt like target was way Christmas year than Walmart. We're also down to the last minute shopping so anything like two weeks before. It's not even Christmas Christmas present shipped and delivered ever before Christmas. So can you barely. Oh but it's not nearing teen it right now. I cannot guarantee before Christmas. I'm like two and a half wheat one and a half weeks to go five hundred miles. doesn't matter wow. I ordered some things from Amazon yesterday. And they they were they were GonNa get here Tuesday so yeah. Let's still save on. I know I'm GONNA go crazy. White Vans that there are rumors spreading that. If you see a white van in your neighborhood Abra Hood. They're kidnapping and selling organs on the black market. The ball today and then I'm like Oh my God. The Amazon vans people are Zien Amazon vans and are freaking out a love. It love manic panic's no but the Christmas is something that we've had fun with the podcast every year for well I think the whole time we've done this show so we'll since like two thousand twelve next year's Christmas tree I'll have to post a picture rough because it will be epic is really prettier. Chris thank you but I'm thinking of doing war on Christmas as a theme for the Christmas Tree Little Army men in ornaments on the bottom said. We'll have a plane battles in the Middle Star. Wars like epic space battles at the Tom With Jesus and some angels thrown in the battles that's great. That's good but the war on Christmas started out as something that Bill O'Reilly uh-huh invented on Fox News and Fox News is more interested in outraged than accuracy so he was allowed to just run with it. Add A to it. There was a definite period of time. Where American atheists has having fun with doing attention getting billboards around the holidays and American Humane Association Freedom From Religion Foundation and local atheist groups were actively trying to stop exclusively sectarian in Christmas displays on public property? Right those fights were the war on Christmas. Yeah yeah it was literally if you allow a Nativity to be on a at the courthouse you have to also allow minora and a bathroom anthem at statue or whatever that Satan has gotten as well and it's it has especially since Bill O'Reilly got Fired for sexually harassing people right right. It's died aid. Yeah what makes me sad and and again again I will. I don't know what makes me sad is like in schools now. You're not allowed to have Halloween parties. You can't wait. You don't wear your costumes school anymore. There's no more Halloween parade. There's no more Christmas parties like if you do anything it's like we're having a little winter celebration harvest celebration or whatever and that makes me sad because like that was really fun to wear your costumes costumes. School under the timeline and it takes just as much effort to have like if you have a school like for example your Kid's school where there are so many different the national in so many different faiths in school. Yeah it takes just as much or as little effort to do a program where you feature all of them talk about all of them as it does to do a program program. You don't talk about any of it. Yeah you're just yeah all the kids would learn about all those things. But they don't do any of it requires effort and for people to know traditions traditions. Outside of their own makes it makes me sad too because those were like important like it was Kinda cool to share those things. It's a big time. You're right right you're right. It's a sad story now. Warren Christmas has basically turned into a meam is a joke right which is awesome. That's true so the next three stories are what I found when I did a google news search for war on Christmas entered. Do the best. I could find we've got this is from rollcall. which is the new site that covers Capitol Hill Bill like interoffice politics of Capitol Hill not the politics of Capitol Hill War on Christmas decorations comes to Capitol Hill? How how old war is heating up so it started off with a representative demings feeling pressure from from her colleague Representative Chris both from Florida? Chris had his light up palm tree and Flamingo outside Outside his office so demings had to do something in since she represents Orlando she got a seven and a half foot inflatable. Mickey Mouse Chair right so outside. Your office door yeah. Yup Oh this just pissed me straight off. We have so many more important things to be dealing with in Washington than your Goddamn Christmas decorations. Honestly what it was reading article. I thought it was a joke. Joke total satire. Oh okay all right. I mean Africa actually happened. But the person writing it up as obviously Embellishing puff piece. But it's like you know offices office buildings cubicle stuff. They'll they'll have little things like this where somebody. Yeah but Goddamn this is it's government. This is our. There's a lot of shit going on right now. It's a circus was busy. We spent a circus. I don't need to hear about who got the screwed over at the Yankee swap next week I don't care about that representative Pearl. mutters frosty was deflated. God deflategate right. We use that once already for Super Bowl Patriots. Fuck you patriots. A sorry I see rag. I see red and they eventually I think ended on. Who Do they depended on representative of Crow and they were saying they needed to go after? Wisconsin Representative Mike Gallagher because he his decorations for the best whatever fishnet. God shouldn't Anna get. They don't deserve on Shenanigans. What happened to secret Santa? Yeah what happened to keep in. Your office is bullshit yourself while the country falls apart all relevant when we read their houses their stuff. If I'm fire and we're like hey there's seven foot snowman founded so that's Capitol Hill then then from Ad Week. Yes this is a this is news for advertisers right the FAA declares war on Christmas us. And this makes sense this this story this actually it was like oh I get this okay anyway going the FAA has issued a warning that you cannot use laser light displays that are aimed at the sky. Yeah hasn't always been kind of a rule. Yes and they have to remind people every Christmas because I know people get majorly busted for shooting lasers a helicopter and stuff all the time. This is permits rain on Christmas. Yeah this is this is I would so much rather somebody come to my house and be like Hey lady tone down your lasers or this plane is GonNa Crash in your front yard. Yeah Oh shit holidays. Happy Honda days. I'll be right back six years ago. The war on Christmas was actual lawsuit suit legal battles out whether or not you could have sectarian displays bullshit. Yeah now it's this. Now it has gotten into the point of your waging the war on Christmas if you tell people. They can't showing their holiday. Laser light into pilots is Dan. This is my holiday. Do I want Christmas. However I won't don't point your lasers at the flight path? Yeah no sorry. That's just that's just that's just that's good advice. I don't care who you are seem holiday related. Yeah let's just as his commonsense and from the Salt Lake Tribune. This is a letter to the editor. The headline is is. Byu joining the war on Christmas. Drafting now and because of how much joke war on Christmas has fully turned into. I'm going to read the entire letter. Okay while watching the K.. Byu TV broadcast broadcasts of the rebels and cougars. Recently they had an announcement. They wish the viewers happy holidays from the staff of Byu TV happy holidays. I never thought that Brigham Young on university would participate in the war on Christmas. And that was from. Michael Mitchell from Henry Ville. I know that is spelled weird. Do we have have to say I mean does it have to be stated that the holidays are not zero sum game like. I'm not sure if that is something that people are worried about that like only only one holiday can dominate until and understand one holiday to rule them all and holiday like I thought maybe Oh my God they were just being respectful. Just just saying thank you happy holidays thank you. That's the Christian. A Christian based university can absolutely say merry the Christmas sure they chose not to and that seems like something. We should be applauding. Well not if not if you're not if you're worried about the war with right. The War anyways overseas that game was the truth. Is that her. Take my shirt off and gets down to that bar to the river with all the soldiers in that game was on December super seven. So we're talking more than three weeks before Christmas. Yeah talking about Thanksgiving. Yeah Right. ooh The holiday all of them all of them. I find it incredibly appropriate from Thanksgiving. You start with happy holidays by by the time. The winter solstice is complete. Then it's okay to say. Merry Christmas sure if you want if you want whatever assume whatever you want you don't usually I just say fuck off giving my change. Yeah I'm not really. I'm I'm very pleasant most of the time I usually say merry Christmas. Because that's what's happening at my house. Yeah do you know what I mean. If someone else said to me. Merry Christmas I would be like that. Must let's be what's happening to your house and if someone said happy guide be like yeah you too because that's what's happening to your house. I don't don't care yeah I honestly think so little about it and I don't get offended. I'm not in believing person and someone wishes me a just holiday thing. I don't care yeah I just alike. Who who who has so little to do that? This is your primary concern like you. I had better write a letter about this. Like this. Must be stopped stopped friends. He took a break from like putting all the lights on his house. And everything he he emerged from his wrapping room. Yeah he has a special wrapping room. If you're that into Christmas you're going to have a special wrapping room. I assume he stopped and came out. Tape covered baking cookies for just a second the sit down at his typewriter. Dear Sir or Madam on Christmas maybe we should start making propaganda posters. Oh Lake trying to draft people people into the war back. Yeah Santa needs you. Yeah that's good that's pretty good. Ah Commercialism is ruining we gotta bring it back you guys religious ruining we gotta bring it back to you. This this is gotten so weak and watered down like the fake outrage is even being faked. Yeah at the point that you're faking. Fake outrage yeah. Yeah that's crazy. I feel like I feel like starbucks really like the whole the whole cup thing from a couple years ago I feel like that was really like the tipping point the short jump. Yeah really yeah this. Is this Cup on this coffee. Okay that's what you're gonNA. Yeah this is this is now the problem and I would just. I would just like to meet the people really who are so outraged about the war on Christmas. I would like to meet them and talk to them and just be like listen to Michael in this lakes. I don't actually want to this. Hypothetically you can find Michael in to meet these people L. Utah wherever that is and we'll be like tell me. Tell me a little about your life. What do you have going on? You know who. Who's WHO's dying at the hands of this war in just like what? Is this really our biggest problem. Because if so congratulations you're doing good really good like Pat Yourself on the back. Maybe to spend a little extra Allan. You're wrapping room. Tonight is special treat. Well what I would I would. Kind of guess has happened as the alternative displays that have gotten included in in the quote free speech zones then governments have set up to get away with bill to have Christmas displays have become normal When they're up? Yep that's just a normal thing and I wouldn't be surprised if there's a whole lot of less less of that going on. because when everybody gets a chance to put their spin their speech in a public place it starts to get really really messy. Yeah and nobody wants to do it anymore right. Yeah so the war on Christmas is a thing the it's up anywhere like downtown anything. I haven't I have we have. I don't think it's a thing people really they do that much anymore. And I think you're right. I think that's why because it's just so only three places but I know that those three places I have not seen have. Have you ever been to a live. Nativity no but I watched Bologna McLaughlin. There's there's two different kinds of live nativities. There's the kind where there's actually something going on like. They're they're in. They're like in a stable situation and they're like acting out what they would be doing at the time. And there's a baby and there's people and they're all doing doing things in the wiseman calm and it's a whole thing right. Then there's the kind where they all just stand there like mannequins Nathan Mannequin with people. And they're freezing and they're all standing there. You're it's so bizarre to me that that is something that at all. Have you ever seen living mannequins. Yes freak you out. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. I don't like them painted metallic our fall four of every time. Oh Yeah Yeah and unfortunately I don't know whether we won The war on Christmas. It's still on or anyone ever really win the war on Christmas or the war on the war in the war on Christmas or the war in the war on the war in the war on the war on Christmas Masano. We need to know what's going on or the tree is going to be chaos. Listen am I or am I not getting an instant pot. That's all I want to know right. And my veteran of the war on Christmas or draft dodge what happens I don't know yeah and I guess we'll just have to wait for there to be a war on Christmas Truth and Reconciliation Conciliation Commission to until another skirmish heats up her mission. The World Christmas. But doc I'm declaring over yeah I don't settle thority. You've had it the whole time and you waited this lime declaring during the war completed he had to wait. Wait until accomplish airlie Christmas or not what are we doing. What's happening is a Hannukah? Are we holidays. Holidays are happy holiday. What's as the what's the WHO won the winning is you can't just have ativity seen on Publix in the public square okay? That was the war that was one and say Merry Christmas or happy holidays. Or whatever else the fuck you WANNA say okay. Don't put up an integrity living in public. Say whatever you want wars over not on public policy public on public proper right back right right right and if you do not not everything okay. Thanks very straightforward. Silver at Christmas tree will be obsolete next year. It'll be the beautiful tail ribbon. Here's your that's GonNa it'd be beautiful. Love it shine lights bucket of army Mandalay moving moving spotlights around constantly dollar store probably. Yeah Oh yeah. Probably the probably got the lead buil built right into them. I hope says that's the kind of dollar store crap. You get Um You know. That's a really good Halloween costume. Now that I think about is a soldier from the war on Christmas Regis dress up as one of the army men but with a Santa Hat pretty good you get a bunch of people yeah contests and just come up in full military garb. Yeah pretty good with a cross stabbing through the heart. The one guy sitting in the corner. Who's like stories man takes a long drag from a cigarette and I used to be a bill riner? Uh Yes. So many bell ringers. Hit it so we went to Walmart yesterday. There was they're they're all there they can stop all over the mall. Oh Yeah at the grocery stores and I'm just like I thought this was. They seem to be more this year than there were last year. and I wonder if this has to do with the Salvation Army's remission the war on Christmas relation army and they're losing major donors losey major donors. There's closing all their thrift stores. And because they need money focusing more on proselytizing Yeah they need money and this is how they get it. Tell about loose change. It doesn't go. Take anybody let that needs it. Now I think the first thing they need to do is actually explain to people that they're a church. Yeah they're not their a church. They're not they're not charity. They're not charity organization. They're not a relief organization. They are a church. Yeah they should at least have to tell you you should at least have to have sign edge or something that's like this is what this goes to And they don't even have now they don't I do think it's I. I want to go up to one. Just say you still hate gays this. And they're just abusing their brand. You know what I mean like our grandparents you go shopping with your grandparents at Christmas time. And there's the guy ringing the bell and you've got to throw in the nickel whatever throws you thirty five cents and you say thank you like. That's part of of like generations of childhood and they're totally capitalizing on that and I think that's bullshit they've a have been this entire time. Sure capitalizing it for generations. Now people now don't even know why they WANNA do it. Do you know what I mean. There's no memory memory of that time. No weird but but thirty five years ago. Nobody knew why they were doing. It was just the Salvation Army was ringing. The the bell rings the bell they trained everybody. Like Pavlov's Thirty five cents. Yeah Yeah they have. They have a copywriter. Something on the on the red bucket. Can I ring a bell. 'cause I I think there is actually something about that. What about the definitely? I would guess. Definitely the red bucket. Probably the Santa Costume with the Bell. But so could I stand out on the corner with like a blue bucket and like birthday horn or something. That'd be -obably but you're still has to be a bell. Maybe just like a one of those bells the Ding trademarks choosing the bell in that manner with the costume with red bucket. Yeah because even though you that can't be copyrighted. Because I bet they have a special bell I bet they have like a salvation. She can tone ringing. Yeah it's never like clang clang hang. It's always dingaling goaling wonder how much has hidden inside that bucket. The bell is just a Flask L. Spelled Bluetooth speaker. That's doing the dealing only instantly take people who were like on the street and be like. Hey Man man we'll give you a dinner and five bucks if you covering this bell at night than I do that anymore. And they started out as as a mission group to try to save drunks MHM precursors to a very teetotalers. Most everything I know about about the Salvation Army I learned from guys and dolls. Yeah that's fair. Oh here we go. The trated changes anti LGBTQ reputation. Shen now by changing any of their policies patients. We're cool cool guy. Gay Cousin WHO's a candid ended up. I you know I mean he's still gay and I gave us for Christmas lipstick once you okay. Yeah they're coolest gays as long as they don't try to join. Their church exists around just below from around all right. Let's go ahead and move on to to feedback and supporters. We don't have any new feedback. We got nothing folks. 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