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Channel One-Nine #6
"If you like road give sound opinions at try. Each week noted music critics. Jim Dear Goddess and Kat Review New Releases Discuss Classic albums and conduct exclusive interviews with artists across musical genres sound. Opinions is a space for music lovers fans and critics alike to share in the conversation. Sound opinions listen critically download sound opinions wherever you get your podcasts. Hey Todd deals again with overdrive magazine here to answer your questions. About trucking artem is calling from Janssen Texas the home of the Peterbilt factors since we opened up the phone lines a few months back. We've heard from a lot of you. Wanted to know the same thing how regular drivers health truckers be more courteous on high race so that we can all be won't say how can cars and trucks clicks in the road. How can we say on the road together? You want to know. Trucking listeners. Appreciate rules of the road that you really shave follow. What really gets under their skin. Things that are annoying or maybe dangerous for truckers. So we asked I think the biggest thing I'd like people to understand about trucking is that truck drivers need room to maneuver and well everyone. We talked to pretty much said the same thing. Just give him room. Don't cut in front of them and slam on your brakes. It takes a football field to stop trump. You WanNa Really WanNa pulled in front of me and stop on a dime so this channel. One nine special. I guess you could say it's driver's Ed Day. Highway Cutoff issue. Yeah this is exactly what I did this week with over five hundred drivers instance Chicago. We'll be in good hands. Meet your instructor. My Name's Gary. Books live in Central Illinois up. Thirty miles of vitamin BLOOMINGTON. Have Known Gary close to a decade at this point that just a few years ago. I took him run in his truck with him from where I live in Nashville up to the North West corner of Illinois. I'd already been writing about trucking for awhile by them. But that trip watching Gary in action and hearing his play by play commentary on the flow of vehicles around in it fundamentally changed the way I drive on the highway but really stuck with me as the importance of following distance. That is the space you leave between yourself and the vehicle in front of you know you're stopping distance and know that you need to be able to do it at a safe taste from highway speed. Your car can stop pretty quickly. Just a few seconds before an eighty thousand pound tractor trailer. It's much different pretty true that for every ten miles an hour it will take you a little bit more than one second to stop so it can take a truck seven to eight to nine seconds. Just stop at a highway speed and guess how far the truck will travel in that time. Seven hundred sheet and I know this from experience I've been caught with an emergency stop situation. Gary has actually put this to attest by program. He's GPS to drop virtual bread crumbs as he drives. I had a program in my truck tracked a breadcrumb every second and I was going forty five miles an hour. I hit my brakes as quick as I could. And it took me four point five seconds to stop that truck four hundred fifty feet. He also has a nice trick to make sure. He leaves enough space in front of his truck. I have a little sticker on my windshield and I pay seven hundred feet and data use sight line to keep that open space that I have to manage in front of my truck. Meaning if he can see a car below that sticker on the windshield he needs to back off and leave more space. No one else is going to manage that space in front of my truck and that's the most important space for me to be safe. Of course what Gary can't control is the other cars and trucks do around him. This is where the driver's Ed portion of the comes in. There's another trick Gary taught me. In retrospect seems obvious. But it's something that I've found few of my friends or family members ever do. It has to do with how you pass the truck. Everyone wants to drive faster than truck. They WANNA be in front. They can't be around the truck well but think about do. I really need to pass. And if we're GONNA pass try to avoid passing on the right side because that's where we have the most trouble seeing other vehicles and people that's the first part but so you've decided to pass you do on the left side like he said then what. Here's my suggestion. It's pretty simple when you get to the front of the truck when you're beside that front tire that's your tire. If you're going to change lanes to the right in front of the truck put your turn thing lawn to the right. Indicate the everyone around you. That's your intention precedes forward. Don't pull in right way pursuit forward when you can see the full front of the truck in your rear view mirror looking out the back window. You're about a hundred feet in front of a truck. Generally five slowly began to come over. Okay got that. Don't start to merge before you can at least see the whole truck in the rear view mirror speed in space. You have to be aware of those things and it's constant adjustment Gary. I'd never used this. Particular tactic signaling. Well before I actually changed lanes and the signaling is key. Because that's what tells the impatient driver on your back bumper to sit tight so they are not tempted to swing into the right lane too early to cut off the truck either bus. You can avoid another instance of the infuriating highway cutoff works in those truckers watching it. Play behind you well. I know they'll thank you one more thing. A couple of you asked about if a truck passes you flash your headlights when the trailer clears your front bumper. To let them know. They've got room to come back over key. Thing here is to actually turn the lights on in back-off vice versa. If it's nighttime just don't use those high beams. The Channel One nine specials feature of over the road from Radio Topiary and overdrive magazine. It's produced by Ian Costs in myself. Todd deals with support from Lacey Roberts. Palmar Hoffer and Julia Shapiro. Since we talked to Gary for this edition the owner operator has sold. His freightliner retired from the road but he still keeps a wheel to in the lane via one on one business. Coaching mentoring those new trucking or need of a fresh start. You can find more of his insights beyond the overdrive extra group blog where he's a regular contributor find overdrive online dot com thanks also to the truckers whose voices you heard the tough Tom. Kirk devry Jones Jason early one tag Schultz and sue. We see Paul will be back with you next week with his own personal hall of fame until then drive safe.
"I want you to think about the last time you took a long drive pull onto the freeway and merge into the center lane. A few cars doctor wrote ahead and the pavement stretches on for miles. Take a SIP OF COFFEE. Accelerate set the cruise control. Then around the bend. You see the back of a tractor trailer. It has a license plate from some faraway state. And as you come alongside the cab you can just make out one arm slung over the steering wheel as you look for. Just a second. You wonder worse at trump going. What's inside it? And who's that person behind the wheel? Well there's a slight chance that person was me. I've driven a truck for almost forty years. Now some help from the good folks at Radio Topiary and overdrive magazine. I'm GonNa take you along for a ride going. Deep into the world of trucking live it love at Murray that lead to hear stories of the past with the Hugh strings on staring loan? World is changing. Today it's the freedom of it and that's kind of being taken away out. Go ahead of the truck stops from coast to coast yet. Here hunt down the best manner manner pudding on I seventy five. You do now the story behind the Manor football out here in this lowest. We'll pick up a load of milk in Indiana Hall through the Patch of Nebraska. And meet some of the seedier characters down at the docks of Poblano Beach Florida. Along the way we'll talk music and mythology moroder. They're on their own regulation relationships. Any you might. You might see your dad like four days a month at that point in time you hear the voices then Chile overnight radio. Deejays though songs can come right through you and pistol packing trucking granny's you need to step away from the truck of the tales of treacherous country roads. People live there and acts of principle. Defiance by people need open their eyes and see what's going on near misses with the law at blue smoke white spoke grease smoke whatever you want and moments of incredible human resilience beside when Vr India via travel stories about loads and labor. You get in the sleeper and stay out of there and all show you. I can drive truck but even more stories about people were a family lives. We live out on the road. That's what you do and while we're at it I'll tell you some of my own stories shoot. I might just sing a song or two. I'm long haul and this is over the road. First Episode Rose Out February twentieth. Wherever you find your podcasts radio.
Ear Hustle Extra: In It for the Long Haul
"I'm Bruce Willis producer for your hustle. This episode contains language and depictions of violence that may not be appropriate for some listener's discretion is advised. What about sorry guys peeing bike? It's not so easy for Women To pee. So is that ever an issue? Believe it or not you're listening to ear hustle from PR XS Radio Tovia. I'm Alan Woods. My co-host just asked a very unusual. I did an important question if your lady truck driver. I'm not a lady truck driver Nigel. Poor and we're doing something very different sedan your hustle. This is not a regular ear hustle episode season five begins on March fourth but in season four we interviewed a woman by the name of Erica. Solano she had done time in prison and we talked to her about a romantic life post prison and also the dating advice. You have people just getting out of prison. We heard her in episode called. I won't the fairytale and since getting out of prison. Erica has become a commercial truck driver and I don't know why but at the end of the interview I was just curious about you know peeing. I mean mail truck. Drivers can just an empty bottle but it's not so easy for US chicks. I don't have a problem. I have a strong bladder and I drink tomato juice so I do have to use the bathroom a lot but I just stop and I use the bathroom wherever I stop but For guys it's Gross. 'cause they don't have strong bladders and they just pee wherever they wanna be but for women There's there's contraptions to use. That's always wondering what are they. Have you ever seen them? No Russia okay but I was at a anyhow. We got to talking to Erica about trucking and it turns out that it's not uncommon for incarcerated people men and women to get into trucking when they get out new guys inside who spent a lot of time reading books trucking. They were getting ready for those tests when he got out. And since I've gotten out I've met a couple of truckers on parole. I mean after being contained in that one little itty bitty area for year. You just want to get out there. Get on those streets and hit the road. I mean even me. I love you loving. If I have to go somewhere calm I know appear prison both shackled in looking at another cars and seeing people free. You just want to be on a row. That was me so I mean if I wasn't doing this podcast I might be on a roll myself. Truckin Oh my God. Indeed I mean isn't slightly. Do that in any case we decided to revisit. That tape of Erica talking about trucking in honor of a brand spanking new podcast launched by radio. Be a you know that network. That was a part of this. Episode is part of a Special Radio Topa wide project welcoming new radio. Toby show into the family. It's called over the road and it tells the story of American long haul truckers changing and culture daily life on the road. You have driven a truck for almost forty years now with some help from the good folks at Radio. Topi overdrive magazine. I'm GonNa take you along for a ride. That's the host of over the Road Paul. Maher offer been driving for something like forty years. I actually talked to Paul while back just when he was getting going on developing this show. We chopped up about podcasting which was an honor. Made me feel like an Paul. He was very passionate and knowledgeable about his truck and going deep into the world of trucking. We're a family to live at Marie. Lead it to hear stories of the past. You need to step away from here strings on the steering loan changing today. It's the freedom of it and that's kind of being taken away. I'm long-haul Paul. And this is over. The road. First Episode Rolls Out February twentieth forever. You find your podcasts. I'm really excited about this. Too and to celebrate your hustle and all the other radio topiary shows are producing episodes on a trucking related theme. The long haul and this is ours. You know what night over the road kind of reminds me of us. Everyone knew about prison but they didn't know what life was really like. Oh that's true. And we all see those trucks on the highway. But God knows what daily life entails. Wait a minute get it. I'm sorry but it's a Little Cup your coochie and then it has a little spout in the up through it but if you really bad the pressure would just go all over the place. And so I actually don't even use it. It's for when you have a really low stream you WanNa just take your time is slowly but can you. Can you use it while you're driving or you have to pull over? You'd have to pull over. Yeah there there you just get. Pow's yeah but no. I I never have a problem all right enough of that. Eric told us she's been driving for about three years and she drives. What's called a day cab? So there's no sleeping compartment and she doesn't do long hauls like Paul and that's not because she's on parole in can't cross state lines no. She's not on parole at all. The reason she doesn't do long-haul is because she has cats and bring a lot a lot of it as she doesn't want to leave him alone for too long right. Erika Toda set aside from the fact that it takes her away from her cats. She loves almost everything else about the job. There's the freedom. The fact that driving a truck takes all of her energy and focus. She likes it. There's a Lotta multitasking. Although sometimes she says she sees people doing a questionable types of multi tasking. I saw one guy looking through the pages of a Playboy magazine. Once that was weird I was going to take a picture and when he saw that I was looking at him. I had to pretend like I was like while he was driving. His Dome Light was on and he was traveling right next to me and he was just flipping through pictures of naked girls. And I'm like wow. There is one thing she really does not like about. The job is not the job exactly is some of the other truckers male truckers would. I don't like this very insulting is when other truck drivers. See me coming out of the cab and they asked me. If I'm driving an automatic. Why would it be automatic? Why do you think I can't shift think I I can't float my gears? That's weird and you might have guessed. Eric doesn't look like a stereotypical truckdriver. Look like I realized. I'm becky myself into a corner and you know what I am. Definitely someone who needs to listen to over the road because is actually going to inform me moonwalking. So what I'm going to say is that to my present mind. She doesn't look like a stereotypical truckdriver she superfit. She's pretty and she pays a lot of attention to look Erica. She's a bee's she's not to be fucked with me. Spent twenty years in the Peon and actually back before she got in trouble with the law. She wanted to beat a law. That's right she wanted to be a cop a constable on patrol now while she's out driving it's like she's part of the highway patrol. I'm on the phone to the cops all the time. I see crazy shit. What do you mean? You're the cops all the time? There's crazy stuff going on the freeway all the time like Ali driving and then there's a ladder I call the cops on like I am number two lane Northbound eight eighty. There is a ladder and and I don't know who dropped it and then a few minutes later I'll call back like didn't you just call me. I said Yeah. But there's a mattress on the freeway. Now I didn't know that people called that's that's all day long. What number do you cautious when one or the regular CHP number CHP is the acronym for California Highway Patrol? I didn't know that's how they got if I call nine one one and and it doesn't connect me to see hp than the the operator disconnects me see HP. I've only stopped one time. But that's because there was somebody in the in the fast lane trying to make people stop and they were waving their arms and they were standing in the Fast Lane. They got into an accident in their car was up against the side Wall Medium. Call Nine one one and I rolled the window down and I started screaming at the person. Getting your car getting your car. Now get off the freeway and then the person who is waving heard it was my voice and she was a teenager and she had been drinking and her face was split open and she was trying to get people on the freeway to stop in the Fast Lane. And so I'm looking at this girl bitch. You're about to die. She didn't die because Erica. Was there on the phone with the. Chp Erica told. She sees a lot of scary shit out there while she's driving around and she also had a few close calls borough one day. She was getting off the freeway and her brakes failed. I felt like I just had to do what the hell do. Keep from killing anybody. I was Coming Downhill on Airport Boulevard in Stockton and I lost my breaks all the way to the floor. It was just absolutely nothing. I couldn't change gears because my RPM's for just so high. I my my gear. Shift was locked in. I was just driving right into the intersection and my light turned red and their light turned green and nobody could see that. I was having a problem and the cars started going in the car right in front of me. It was just enough to where I made a left in a whipped around him may like a C- like ch and then and then I jack knifed to stop and I destroyed a trailer because I was carrying doubles and there were tomatoes and and I completely demolished the light signal box. But I couldn't stop. That was Erica. Solano talking to US last season and as I mentioned earlier this preseason episode is part of a radio TOPI white. Welcome to a brand new show over the road which is made in partnership with overdrive magazine Guest Richard. Indeed over. The road explores the daily life and changing culture. Trucking in America host Palmar hoffer also known as long alcohol has driven trucks for nearly forty years and brings you along for the ride. You can find his show over the road wherever you get your podcast and don't forget season. Five of your Hustle Begins Market for it. You'll hear more about that soon. I'm Nigel Poor Paul. Paul and I'm earl woods ten radio.
Channel One-Nine #7
"If you like give sound opinions at try each week noted music critics. Jim Dear Goddess and Greg Kat Review New releases discuss classic albums and conduct exclusive interviews with artists across musical genres. Sound opinions is a space for music. Lovers fans and critics alike to share in the conversation. Sound opinions listen critically download sound opinions wherever you get your podcasts. It's Todd Deals from overdrive magazine here Folks Today. Paul's on the line with me. You know what I'm might have to run off these chickens fresh off a run back Indiana farmhouse. I don't know if you can hear the chickens. Todd Mighty Ramon well caved any suggest a window. Call it old home week here for this final edition of the Channel. One nine special. We're going to hear about managing pets and staying fit about hitchhikers hand signs and more. Oh while rolling down the road on eighteen wheels so get around you brought. The questions falls gets managers. Hey guys My Name Is Ethan. Horn I am from Huntsville Texas and I have a question for you guys so remember going down the road a lot of the Times. I'll see those stickers on the back of trucks and say how's my driving and they have a phone number and what I do when I see those guys. I'll call it that number and then I'll put on the voice you know. I'm from Trinity Texas. Which is a little bit of a smaller town and I'll get on the phone there and I'll be like. Hey this truck here. It's driving real good. I've never seen a truck driver driving like this. They're letting people cut him off. They're doing all sorts of niceties and I've just seen that often before and I need to make sure someone knows that this is one of the best darn truckdrivers. I've ever seen but my question I guess is like do the truck drivers ever hear that That's pretty awesome. That's you do that so all the years. I've been out here. I guess I've gotten to compliments that my boss has relayed to me. I've gotten two complaints while now one complaint it turns out. One was a case of mistaken identity. The other was well justified. You might say I used to dry for a guy who was pure outlaw. The call me when I was in Missouri and they wanted me to to overnight the load and show I was flying through Columbia Missouri and got got called on Those conversations are very rare Sort of like you know the art of war a general goes unnoticed. He's usually a good general. I think the same applies for truckers. So if you never get a call you're doing your job. Hey this is Ryan some concord North Carolina. My question was. How do you guys stay? Fit Away on the road all our sitting there truck. Thanks man great podcasts. Yeah in years past the folks I work for. They made me accustomed by crack. You could really do some great mountain biking on the road and was the ranked on the back of the cab. Yeah Yeah they they fabricated. It's format today. Paul's exercise rituals revolve around walking. Ideally a mile or more a day though. It doesn't always happen and accessibility is a constant issue. Paul once love to stop Tennessee exit. Four fifty one on I forty. That's where I forty intersects the Appalachian trail and it's just a great low impact aerobic workout. Putt as has happened a lot in Tennessee. You can't park there anymore. And I'm sure they had their reasons but that was one of the the real joys of life on the road was to be able to to hike the Appalachian trail once once or twice a week if he wanted to. Hi My name's Kathy. Only I'm calling from acton Massachusetts I have occasionally seen truckers with dogs within our casts. And I'm wondering how common it is for Chris to take their pets along. And how has it thinks it's just more and more common? Our company is dog friendly pet friendly. And it's if you WANNA take the hard line and not allow dogs. You better have a really good payback edge. I mean just imagine wanting to be a female trucker out there on the road and wanting to take a mile and a half walk at the end of your shift and a truck stop so you see a lot of cool. Dogs had accompany women truck drivers. But it's it's it's a really a committee you've got to remember things. Paul has learned that listen firsthand. I had a dog once that I rode with and his name was ranger. A wiry mix well one day ranger locked me out of the truck and and I forgot to have my key with me and it had one of those side windows in the passenger door for increased visibility so I busted that side window to get into the truck and then then I had to go load grapes at the port of Glouster in Jersey and I had like my Laundry bags stuffed in front of that That little window and ranger got out twice. While was on the dock loading the grapes. And I don't know if you've ever been like yelled at by a New Jersey Port Authority cobb wise but that was the last time I took ranger and as Kathy implied in her question. It's not just dogs out there I've met folks with snakes Gerbils hamsters. Lots of cats. And I know one owner operator the last I saw him how to co-pilot mccaw in the drug not discount the rest of you guys but this next one comes from a woman who might just be my number one favorite questioner. Hey My name is lady and I'm from Louisiana and I have so many questions and and I might have to call back if it kept me out. But let's say we've answered some of your questions. Katie in other episodes. But this I think was your first one. Why do drivers get annoyed by kids or saul making the white honcker horns sign like that annoying trucker? Katie I just want to give you a shout out. We all of us at Radio. Topa appreciated your calling and you were one of our first call in listeners. And we when we heard from you we saw. Maybe we've got something here and let me just say this anybody. That won't honk their horn for a kid. Not My talker Again thorough exceptions to that. Well I I don't do it in town Like if you're in town like stoplight. You don't WanNa do that. You know you. So it's like when you're on the highway data when it's cool to give the air horns sign. This is NASA's calling from Los Angeles California. I was wondering what you guys think of hitchhikers. My friends and I just from New York Los Angeles a few years ago and it was one of the best experiences of my life. Thank you so much. Have a great day. Well I used to pick up. Hitchhikers spent a long time though. There can be pretty strict rules on this company drivers but Beck when Paul was an owner operator. He picked up whoever he liked. I guess you just rely on your gut instinct on that. And he met some pretty interesting characters that way. I met a guy one time and Robert Stale Alabama had truckstop stop in the TV room. Who is trying to get to wildwood Florida to become chrome polisher chrome polishers or truck detail? Men are kind of a trucking subculture unto themselves. Plenty make a living out of it but for others it side work hanging around the larger truck stops to try and make a little money shining bumpers and rims. That might have been what this gentleman was after this is kind of one of the wildest things he didn't make it as a chrome polisher which we know because just several days later. Paul ran into that. Same hitchhiker again on Commonwealth Avenue in Jacksonville Florida. Sitting on the ground happen well pretty rough over there and got some pretty rough cash over there and they. They didn't want me sleeping on the ground so I thought well I got this interstate. Low to plants. I can pay a little to help me through this load off. Paul took the would have been chrome posher on the road again. This time is a paid helper. And I was really living frugally. At the time I had four kids at home and my wife was a stay at home mom and like I was like eating a lot of cereal back then and like after a few days ago palm kind of seems like you're struggling now. Well thank of a homeless hitchhiker failed. Chrome polisher takes pity on you. Maybe you are struggling and So he I think he He decided to to to find greener pastures. And but we parted as friends. Truth is I don't hear a whole lot stories like that talking to truckers today not stories that are from recent times anyway. Feels like picking up hitchhikers and hitchhiking itself. There's another one of those aspects of life on the road. That's faded with time. Okay last question Maradona. But I'm a young mother and for years and years and years. I have always thought of driving a truck long distance as kind of the ideal thing that I could do. Hasley when I'm older and my kids are grown. Is that crazy? I don't know So how does one get into tracking especially later in life and especially when there are a woman Thank you well. Ask a great question and we do see a lot of people who choose trucking as a second career and They actually become some of the best truckers out here because they have this wealth of life experiences that they can bring you know. It's a really good question. What would be the best path into trucking right now? I'll just jump in here to say you can train for your commercial driver's license in both informal and more formal ways like at a community college or private driving school. If you're trying to find good schools in your area look up. The professional truck driver institute. They've got a guy on their site after you get the CDL though becomes the hardest part for most. It seems like the entrance to trucking has always been difficult and fraught with a hard initiation period. There's a German expression all on fung swear. All Beginnings are hard and be prepared to have a difficult first year. If if you're serious about it and be prepared to be able to weather that that's all I can really say. Thanks for all your questions. In hanging with me through these mini episodes. I hope you've enjoyed it as much as I have. A special thanks. Here are silent partner. Mixmaster producer Ian costs. Hey Mr Bar hoffer will be back next week with our final episode drop into the Twenty nineteen great American trucking show where we explore the automated driving technology. That seems to be on every drivers. Mind late we'll also check back with a few of the folks we've interviewed over the course of the series to see where they're at today. Gentlemen nine specials a feature of over the road and produced by costs and myself. Todd deals with support from Palmar. Hofer Lacy Roberts and Julia Shapiro if you really want to get into the weeds of chocking vimy on channel nineteen the blog I keep it overdrive. Online dot com slash channel. One nine cool. I think we're done there. Gosh there were more questions Okay I'M GONNA call back when I think of the thanks for listening to over the road. Another Radio Tokyo show. You might like is articles of interest. This is the podcast from the folks who bring you ninety nine percent invisible so you can expect everything you love about that show. Except instead of tackling the entire design world articles of interest is about what we wear and season to tell stories of luxury. Like how much a diamond does really worth. How men'S PANTS MIMIC NUDITY. And what happens inside the secret companies that make designer perfume and articles of interest a show about what we wear? She's into people. Don't realize it's fantasy. You always this thing that you have to work extra hard get silk. No-one dresses like a king anymore. How you make money doesn't really make money. Love there. Lots of things that we take for granted. 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The Long Haul of Fame
"Hey listeners Paul here packing up to take a load of food down to Florida. I just want to offer personal content warning for this one you know the world we as truckers is not always G. rated and frankly the way we talk about that world among ourselves can get pretty course. We do our best here at over the road to present these stories in an unvarnished manner while still being sensitive to both our listeners and the people were talking about to be truthful though. That hasn't always been easy. There have been some pretty tough calls along the way especially in this episode. We'll be hearing accounts of drug use homelessness and sex work just know we thought a lot about it and feel like there's meaning and merit every story you're about to hear. Here's the episode. When we were mapping out this podcast. Somehow this idea came up. Just who are your personal heroes and who are people that just mean a lot to you and somebody at that Radio. Topi headquarters said you know. We just need to make an episode about these people. That's why we came up with this title So ball I have a question. Yeah go ahead Tom. Are we really going to do the titled Trucking magazine Pun thing with the the Word Hall for this well. Here's the thing time that we're broadcasting this to the outside world and you're an editor for a trucking magazine so it might be tired and moth eaten to you but to our radio TOPI listeners. It could be fresh and new Lacy can can you announce the title? Because I don't completely remember sure well hit the music. We're about to enter the world of long haul polls long hall of fame these people. They're not owners of truckstop. Sure not like leaders of movements. These are people that I I met by chance out on the road. It was like Halloween down there. I didn't dream. It was a god given planning and I had like this one rule. If you're going to be like my trucking friend they have to be highly entertaining. Paint on when the going get trucking. I'm a nurse stories after stories back in the day all five of these people are great entertainers in their own special way. No no no. You don't throw cheese away. Wait a minute I am an old. She's like a trucking legend. You know baby can. I use your radio and entertainment from PR? Xs Radio A- and overdrive magazine. This is long haul. Paul's hall of fame on over. The road was low. Too Strong on the over. The road was that just a little too strong. Okay okay okay. If you like over the road give sound opinions. Try Each Week. Noted music critics. Jim De regattas and Greg Kat Review New Releases. Discuss Classic albums in conduct exclusive interviews with artists across musical genres sound. Opinions is a space for music. Lovers fans critics alike to share in the conversation sound opinions. Listen critically download sound opinions. Wherever you get your podcasts. Should we get into the episode? Absolutely okay so the first hero and mentor? Infringe I della Murray Hanson. Ooh My name is Idel Maria Hanson. And I'm sixty nine years old. What was that other thing? Oh wait a minute fifty. Two years. I've been driving fifty two years. Can't you tail my memories gone? She's an interesting interesting lady. I get up in the morning and again that see. I'd give that little legal and I'm ready for my day. Is the at ass trucker chick She she hauls money for a living and she wears gun. Always empowering who in the hell gives a sixty four year old woman a gun that never shot a gun before in her life You know are you nuts or something you know and and and I I just make it a habit when they when they asked me what. Y'All I just I just tell them you know better than ask that and you need to step away from the truth. Can you give me your step away from the truck thing? You need to step away from the truck fair God right now ask me again what do you need? You don't need to ask me that question sir. You're going to need to step away from the truck what's going on here is none of your business. You need to move on and you need to move on now so just imagine that sixty four years old. I think I'll just start hoeing money and carrying a gun around the ever if I if I if I were a gun. I I'm afraid I like stand in front of the Mirror. And the flying J and say fleas free. Do you ever do that. Never liked parliament. We do have to do that. Stop Halt Security Officer okay. There is a little power in there. You know there's people that start hanging up sixty four but she. She's just like she loves to truck. There isn't anything else. There just isn't anything I couldn't have been anything else but a on ever want to quit driving I really don't. She grew up in a middle-class business family in but she she had this thing in her from the very beginning. My I had a pedal-car mom never let me have a bicycle but I had a little boo. I was a spade demon everywhere. Just love I loved it and my dad said she's going to be a drive. Dad Wasn't real keen on it. He thought I should be a bookkeeper mother. Should I wanted to send me to school in Ohio for music and I wanted to drive in for a long time. Dead didn't talk to me. He walked crush street. Wouldn't have anything to do with me. Then he became proud of me at small out. There you see that she owns that trump. She runs a business. And we've been a family. We were always a family owning our own businesses so Having him be proud of me with something shoes by yourself. Most of the time I'll work locally ships rock and then she got married with Russell. She was hauling with her husband. Right yes they were they were in separate trucks but they were always on the same gig but then her husband gets injured and she has to go out over the road. What was I going to do? I had a truck payment. I had house payments to kids. Was I gonNa go home and cry? It was time to go to work. That's when we really see like the the feistiness of her personality come through on these stories. Bj McAdams poll flatbed form. While I was being pushed around was being taken. So you know when she first started out I think is an owner operator. She she had this boss. That must have been the seventies or eighties when when were like wearing their shirts open to like. The fourth button always walked around with his shirt. Unbuttoned like a like a manly man with the hairy chest and everything and Real Manley and he had a habit of always something being wrong with your check. You always short now. I remember thinking to myself. This ain't happening. This just ain't happening and I don't remember where I got the little heat gun to take the signs off the truck you know. She had those Stickers that she'd taken off the truck which are you know highly adhesive. They're you know they're made to withstand wind rain snow and heated him up in pulled him off and I went in there and cook them signs and of course now. You know they're sticky. I wanted them all up and I walked in and he says you're not going to quit and I said Oh yes I am and I stuck them right to his hairy chest. Well she she really sounds like a legend. She is she. She's one of these few people who've actually had a truckstop named after her and the Idell Hanson North Little Rock Petro and todd. Can you remember the exact distinction? It's called this the Ta Petro Citizen Driver Award and they've been doing for several years now can you? Can you tell me the whole house? That whole thing worked out where truckstop got named after you. How does that work? I don't know how to Hell Up. I think the nominations from anybody in the trucking community. And it's always it's always a driver. She says I would like to nominate you for Ta Petro Citizen of the year. And I says you've got to be kidding me. Did you ask her what it feels like to pull into a truck stop? That has her name on it. Oh Yeah Yeah I did but now I got shot down. I got shot down on that Course my name's on the top of the fuel receipt and my pictures right there. You know so I go in. I was full. Michelle and I said the GAL getting national. You know who I am. Don't you you've got to be kidding? I couldn't believe I said that. And she says well no and she's looking right at the receipt and she's looking at my name and never the Twain shall meet and I was very polite. I says I thought to myself. I deserved that. Who the hell do you think you are? It taught me a lesson. I go in there if they if they hug my neck and say anything. That's great if they don't I'm not anybody special. I'm just the next truck driver in line. But you don't really. I think they need to make me parking spot a reserved parking spot with my name on this mine alone. Don't you and K Paul? Yeah tell me about shoestring. My Name's Ken Wall and I've been trucking for approximately thirty eight years now shoestring shoestring law. Is this guy such a storyteller? There was this old hotel across the street. Dare and that's where all the hookers and the cross dressers. It was all happening right there. Historians are silly evocative and I got this drink and what kind of drink it was. I was so Milena Trish in from running over the road but it had all of this was a great big ball had all shoestring to me like towers towers over my stories. I mean because he had to go out and live that to get that story. I figured it up. One time you had to average about seventy mile an hour to get there I mean just just. Judging from the stories he told in that interview did with him he strikes me as a guy who had a tendency to get himself into trouble. Oh Yeah Yeah. That's just a tip of the iceberg. I mean you know you don't get stories like that by being the pillar of the community. You know you get stories like that. And now he became the pillar of the community like He's a stellar standup. Salt of the Earth Guy. But I think there's this part of them that he he loves to tell stories about the wilder days because he's resurrecting these memories in these characters and he just he just gives it all to you he gives you the good the bad and the ugly one time I was in Columbia South Carolina. There's this one story in particular and and this is vintage sue string. He's laid over the weekend at this truckstop in South Carolina and things really do take a bizarre and ultimately disturbing turn. I back my large car in you know and the parking place to my left was easel. Bed buggers I got to talk into. We all pitched in on some booze and everything. The party got of control. Got Out of control. These were household movers and they started bringing the furniture out the drunker and higher. They got so I bring over bag a weed not though it down while I was her best friend. Then I get along chair. Offered the truck well setting over from me. Was the chicken hall that night. The barrels came out. Busted up pilots got too far gone and emo boys was hungry. They cut the seal on that wagon and got in there and they've is bringing out whole chickens and they just the night win on more furniture came off of that they bring out the couch. They had in tables and that next morning. When I woke up there was truck. Drivers stretch down on these couches and chairs and a far was smoldering and the party kind of died down year no but they were stuck there for the weekend and we all got together. We we refreshed. Got More Booze at forty seven thousand bounds of chickens. The man in these old boys they weren't afraid to go in there and get them and everybody started pitching in Boyle by Saturday night. It was really kick one of the bed. Buggers had a boom box and this guy came on the radio and he was hollering this. Somebody could help a young lady APP to get the floor. Well she came over to the Party. He brought it over there and she was just a young girl. She was something like eight months pregnant and she wanted to get back to Florida in order to have her child. Everybody's like yeah. Give me a dollar. You know but she needed some money and one of these guys came up with a great idea. He had a dry man. He opens up his trailer and he had empty truck. He said that boombox of prayer and put her on the back out on the radio in charge truck drivers five dollars to come back to see the pregnant girl dance because she had worked as a stripper at one time. And I'm thinking while just when you thank you seen it all in this poor young lady pregnant just wanting to get home now. You know sat in a way. It's sad it's funny but it's it's funny but it's sad here. She is up Bare Strip. Naked dancing on a tailgate of empty trailer to an old boom box. You-know-who a cassette tape in it. And Hey she had a handful of money and there was a greyhound bus station at that truck stop. She got her a ticket and got on there and often wonder about her wonder. Whatever happened to her that my goodness for the kid would be what thirty five years old or more by now and That's been years ago. This wouldn't go on today out there. My wonder any chance that person's out there. And here's this in those this story. Yeah wouldn't that be something as a result of this podcast lady gets a hold of US and says that wasn't me well? I'd love to talk to her. I love her All right so Paul. You interviewed Someone who's very important to you who is not attract driver but plays a pretty big role and a lot of truckers lives. Yeah that that's more Shia Campbell. Okay Well Marseilles. We are doing a podcast. And we decided to episode called long-haul Paul's Hall of fame and people who are heroes of mine and on our little old farmhouse. There's a picture of view that hangs on our wall off. Because you're the one who kinda feeling about what are you feeling teary eyed and emotions are running and its role in it's real. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about the real nece. Well I'm actually supposed to be interviewing hair pollen shine. Nobody in any big radio outlet ever reached out and said I wanNA play your songs. You were the one who I'm going through. Cincinnati with a load of orange juice and I. I've message you and re requested song. I don't remember what song it was. And you play the song I request that and then you go. And here's one from long-haul Paul himself as Bessemer to Birmingham. I don't know if I should say this on over the radio I had to pull over and I literally lost control of my clapper. 'cause I'm being played on W. S. m. The flagship station of the grand old opry. And and and nobody did that for me. But you so so. Thank you test kind of consider just the importance of all night. Radio to a trucker. Find yourself on the night shift. Maybe your load was late. Getting getting out of the dock. And you've gotTA get north of Cincinnati before traffic hits in. Its three in the morning and and you just need something to engage you something to keep you awake and and and so you turn to Marsha lie for Music City. Usa This is the all nighter. I'm a cable on six fifty two headed Marzia and being the angel of truck drivers in the middle of the night wanting to hear or the human voice on the radio. But she's got this really interesting backstory. I was a stay home. Mom after my second son was born I was looking in. My walls are covered with CDs and albums so I called my local radio station and I said do you by chance. Have any time to meet with me. A about a programming idea and I went down and next week. I was on the air doing to our bluegrass show free. Wd Cayenne twelve sixty am. That was my hometown radio station where the foundation was laid. Of course I played the legends of Bluegrass Music. Bill Monroe Lester flatt roles but I would make tapes and record the show and I would take this tape to my radio mentor Keith. Bill Brey. She would send tapes to Keith. Bilberry was professional. Dj WCM. And I think he also helped announced the opry and I said listen to this and tell me what I need to do. I suppose I followed his guidance. He was in need of an a radio host syndicated across the country over twenty five different stations. Brooking America is listening to the interstate radio network interstate radio networks catered to the truckers and my first night on the air. The phone lines lit up. She just kept growing her craft and she winds up on the Interstate Radio. And then she longevity. Ws WS at that time did not have an overnight personality and I went straight to the general manager at that time and I said can we talk is America's trucking Sweetheart Marcie. Campbell pitched another program. This is the all nighter on six fifty playing music. We're doing this day in history. We're doing trivia. Well a number one song on this day in. Tell me when your birthday is. I keep a calendar. It's like I wanNA wish everybody heavy birthday talking joy. Peace celebration to everyone. Please slow down and drive with caution overnight clear skies what means so much to me about Marchesi after two thousand one after nine eleven in particular like night. Trucking radio just turned into constant talk about you. Know all the yanks that was going on in the country the United States military has begun to believe. There's another men through that. A lot of trucking four-match just dropped music altogether. And I personally I I kind of checked out after that I'm not hardwired For constant angst constant umbrage and data. Didn't keep me awake. What kept me awake was hearing Jimmy. Rogers Blue Yodel at three in the morning She it took her a few years but she resurrected that format. Dixie chicks with asleep at the wheel Johnny Campbell Christain Party millionaire and for that reason if she had never spun one of my songs I I would still consider her a Harem Nighttime brings out more sensitivity and you're joyful it mag it's magnified if you're lonesome if you're sad if you're hurting when that sun goes down it's magnified but when you know someone cares about you at the other end of the line whether it's the radio line telephone line because my phone lines are open. Call me if you're struggling. Then let's play a game or let's play some music. Let's get you going. You know it may be that twenty miles or two hundred miles so I learned to be a friend at the other. End of the line and So my callers are Honky Tonk irs. There truckers their gypsies their nighttime workers or it may be Miss Mary. That lives down the road who can't sleep at night. She's widowed and she loves country music so I have the audience that God wants me to have and I pray that I can be a beacon and the middle of the night whoever needs my light or my shine or My heart my attention. I pray that I can deliver long haul. I wish you happiness in good health peace and love and I wish you Enough Godspeed. My friend Next poll well. I'm going to tell you about my friend. Big Jim this is about as old school of a friendship and trucking as as you can come by we we met on a CB in Georgia north Georgia. I think I passed him somewhere right. Around the skill you know turned his lights off and on to let me know it was safe to come back in. And he was in a company track then. I was an owner operator. I think you saw who I worked for. And I talked to one of their drivers like the week before. Who said he was doing about a quarter million a year on his ten ninety nine and you made some kind of common over the CB how you like working there and we ratchet jarred all the way through Georgia. Then I decided I was going to give his company try and we celebrated that decision with a with a piece of cheese free cheese as it may be free cheese. These guys were like running pure outlaw. It was a thrill aid. Really will like the principles of this company. We work for were like all wearing ankle bracelets literally wearing ankle bracelets because of flagrant logged violations and back then this was my mindset. I was like cool. Where DO I sign up? One of these chance meetings on the road which became a lifetime friendship and through analysis span of decades. We've we've seen the highest of highs together and really the lowest of lows my name is Jim Selker and I'm from a little town called Juno Alaska. The other one in Wisconsin. You know the thing about Jim was he was just such a unique character because he grew up on this farm in Wisconsin and almost like this Christine Norman Rockwell town in Wisconsin. If you're if it has a church a bar and a garage it's a town. I mean there is Polka music on the radios at his family's farm we would acquire everybody's favourite alcohol and it would go in a big milk can with ice and fruit juice and that would like ferment. Then anybody walking through the barn would help themselves to cup of the two years we called. It had some walk man. Oh man his family had like some of the top dairy cattle in Wisconsin. But he didn't want any part of that and trucking was a way out for him and I went working for a buddy of mine who hauled exotic cars. They just found like this the bipolar opposite of his upbringing. I picked up a Lamborghini in Kentucky convertible black and nobody cared about the mileage. I had that car with me for a good month and I got my use out of it. And here's the thing I live vicariously through these people that that's a site they lived a life. I could not dare to live and I've told Jim that so many times. I just wanted to hear his stories. Because these weren't really stories I was ever going to offer. You said big. Jim Was Company driver when when you guys I met on the CB on I seventy five in Georgia there but he he did eventually By trucks right. Yeah yeah no he. He wound up buying a truck and he did well with it and then he bought a newer truck fellow down in Georgia had a decal shop down there and he made me under dollar bills floating up the the entire side of the truck and I call myself easy money trucking and he was really pop in there for a while back then we get paid by the Nine L. T. L. So the more you could stuff in your trailer. Though more you got eight. So He'd go book say Eighteen Pallets cantaloupes coming out of and then he call her aid finds a guy who's got a few few pallets of watermelons or something. You know he he. He was just a working machine. It was new partially for the money but also partially just to see if you could get a dengue what we did was. We would put on more freight than we were supposed to dodge skills so away to flirt. We go stuff the trailer fool and Mata it was almost like addictive was a cat and mouse game. And you're kind of culture where everyone was doing it. Yeah that's that's pretty much true as I look back at that I don't. I'm not trying to valorize what we did resist. It's just seemed like the only way to make at the time so we were just trying to make every dollar we could and I guess Gen. All of our outlaw always caught up with us and in fact you were the first one to the host. My hospital bed which I'll never forget. Can you talk a little bit about that solemn duty that you were somehow saddled with that you had to do for me that day? I was actually at home when I got the call from the company we worked for that you had been in Iraq. We haven't really talked about this directly before in it but I was wondering if you could just kind of pay me pitcher. What happened that day of the wreck ball? You know you're doing multiple drop loads. If you just had one person hold you up. You could really get in behind the eight ball so I was behind the eight ball turning and burning going from Florida to his consular. Produce and Wisconsin Florida with refrigerated product. And just just pushed it way too hard and I just I not off so I found where they had told your truck down there and man I was all. I was surprised that you were alive. That truck was in that much of of a of a wreck. I was really surprised that you made it through it. I was an ICU. And and I broke my neck. You Know I. It just meant a lot that he was there and And I don't remember if we could even speak at that point because I had to write for awhile I they had me up all hooked up and all that stuff and And and and you know it wasn't till that interview He was like almost scolded me for all the cheese that I ruined racking out just so you know. I had to throw a lot of cheese that week to everything at slid forward just kind of exploded in inside you know really I guess. I never knew that we never talked about. Did you have to take a lot of cheese to the dump? You never take cheese to the Dome you can use. That's that's like sacrilege for somebody from Wisconsin. I could just imagine the tragedy of the cheese. Okay Yeah yes you get it in of injuries but you should have seen the cheese so now. You're down in Miami Florida at a chunk. Aaron what did you have to do then? I look to see you know what I could recover for you from your truck and quite frankly there wasn't much and if I remember correctly the only thing that I really got for you is maybe a couple of close in your guitar. You know you and I and I don't think about this on a daily basis but you and I have been through a lot. Yeah it's Y'all life hands you things in got two choices either deal with it and go on or you let it get to you. How your career as a trucker ended about a year ago? Now Yeah just a little over a year. My kidneys finally gave out. So I'm on dialysis now and and Apparently the The feds won't let your drive a truck when you're on dialysis. I don't know why but apparently not the medical staff was very nice. They let us go interview right there when he was actually in dialysis. How has your life been since you got of trucking? I really don't Miss It. You're a slave to that truck and if you know at some point in time maybe it's their you figured out. There's more to life than eventually the machine often we were rousted out by the nurse. We've been asked to step out and will be record role out okay So our last honoree in long-haul Paul's hall of fame is a fellow by the name of Fast Ready. Yeah I I wrote a little essay about this because I just wanted to. I write better than I speak and I just wanted to put this in writing. So this is called the Pope of pomp and met in the phone room of the Florida State. Farmer's market in Palm Beach the room itself is best I can remember was about two hundred square feet with worn out carpet. A few dog eared chairs and a wall with two. Maybe three payphones. When things were really popping back in the ninety s you might have to wait five ten minutes until your turn for. The phone came up. For that reason. Brevity was appreciated and expected. That said there was no guarantee wouldn't get stuck behind some truckstop. Romeo who would throw etiquette to the wind while trying to work out. Some intractable relational snag with the second shift cashier from the Shreveport. Petro that kind of call with illicit intentional cough clearing of the throat and after yet more time the five minute cheetahs this particular day. There was a haggard. Looking Man. Feeding quarters into a seven minute apology to New York judge. Yes your honor. I fully understand. Sir I give you my word. It will never happen again. Yes Sir I fully own. It was a damn stupid thing to do thank you. You won't regret this sir. And then best I can recall. He started running out of quarters and began gesticulating to me smiling a bit just needing someone to break a couple ones fast. I just happened to have the right. Change Truth be told. I was so engrossed by what sort of trouble this guy must have gotten themselves into. I was enjoying the show and the call finally concluded his contrition evaporated abruptly concurrent with slamming down the receiver. Jesus was always say turns out. He went by Fast Freddie and when my own call was done Freddie was lingering by the door what are you Polish. He asked German. I replied and we wound up at a table together. So what did he do? What was the apologizing for? I don't know if there's a traffic thing like he. He was a guy that stayed in trouble constantly. It's like trouble. Trouble was like his daily staple. So here's this chance meeting in this phone room and the I'd join him and seems like every other guy that's walking into. This market is scanning the room seeing Freddie and walking up to our table and like like he's reporting for duty or something and I'm insinuated into his circle without even trying because I just happened to be sitting there and everyone that came up. Freddie wants you to meet my Polish friend from Chicago. And I'd say German. Freddie from Indiana German from Indiana could not peel him away from that screaming and kicking. I was always a Polish guy from Chicago to him. So so Paul I. I understand that fast. Freddie is no longer with us but you had an opportunity to talk to his daughter. Evelyn my name is Evelyn runs and I am from Cincinnati New York. He was so interesting about Evelyn was like she was embracing the whole thing. I admired the shit out of that man you know. I was his number one mechanic when he was home. I was the flashlight holder. I was the one you know dodging the tools when he was getting frustrated. She was driving a semi at the age of eleven. I was calling to reach the pedals and see plenty above the steering wheel so he would put it on cruise and she would go in the bunk and hold the steering wheel and I would sneak up around him and jump in the sea and dry for hours and hours left So Paul do you remember seeing Evelyn out on the road when she was a little girl? Oh absolutely all the time I whenever shot in the summertime when you saw Freddie you saw Evelyn and he was just a guy that always had to have those kids with any would always teach US sometimes to go around the Scales and sometimes how to be good way he'd be like. Oh well we're going to go the scenic route tonight. You know I'd be like Oh you know you got logbook filled out dad. Oh Yeah Yeah. Yeah Yeah I was like okay. Let's go yeah. There was no such thing as running out of hours. There was trucking in trucking and trucking. And then you take very short quick nap and trucking some more. After I came back from Iraq I was I was Kinda disfigured and Facially and my posture had changed. And the first thing he said when he saw me as what the hell happened to you. I told him goes. You're using drugs. I go no well. There's your first problem hard that exactly. I could see. Yeah if you were doing drugs that have been awake not sleeping. And he was ex- golding may for not using drugs so that was classic fast Freddie right there but you know Freddie the thing about Freddie was he I saw him as sort of like this outlaw trucker dude but he he he had this complete other side to him that I would have never seen had. I not been stuck in the POMPANO market. One thanksgiving I think might have been a Oh seven but it's the Wednesday before Thanksgiving and like Freddie like stands in front of everybody like like he's giving this commission he goes. We're going to have a fish tomorrow. Call every crack Horn every homeless bum. I even want you to invite the flat betters. We're going to have a Thanksgiving feast fellas. Wow you know the funny thing to say but it's it almost sounds like a Bible story. Yeah it was like know. We're having a feast. Invite the greatest to least and there was a there was a guy there who was known as Alonzo. The broom boy Lonzo had a drug problem and he made his living by sweeping people's trailers out and And Lonzo sat away from everyone because he he didn't bathe much and and Freddie made him a plate in there on the curb right next to him they ate together and they talk like old friends and then one narrow done eating. He came over to me and told me. Alonzo's whole story is just unbelievable. Everything he knew about Alonzo and I realized in that moment you know were Ralph Waldo. Emerson says every man is my superior in some regard That this guy who you know was always a mess. Always in trouble was also just this wonderful human being too. You know the the the guy who's a most down and out and I that always stuck with me. Does Evelyn remember that night? She absolutely does. That was the coolest thing I was like. You Know Dad. I really wish you were here for Thanksgiving and none of our family events wherever peaceful ever. So he's like you know I would much rather be down here with these people making sure all these crack whores and all these bums are fed. Been dealing with the nonsense home today and I was like you know that. That's that's Kinda cool. I'm not even mad about it and the crazy thing. This wasn't ice. I I didn't know this at the time but this was not isolated to pompey. No no no. He was like that every there were certain truck stops from home to Florida that he would stop at and in each of those truck stops. It was the same type of thing that you've seen in Pompilio so up up at hunts point you know. Evelyn tells the story where everybody even knew him up. There and hunts point is a big place. It's not Po. The pop no market. It's ten times as big as pompey. No mark it's in the Bronx. I remember I was like nine ten. Maybe and he'd be like well. You can go down to Mike's to the Chinese placing get. Get yourself something. They're not closed yet. I'm like but dad it's dark I'm little mom. Says we should be scared. He's like oh I know all of these people here. You're fine and sure enough. I could walk down to Mike and my sister was with us and you know we had to use the bathroom and this tiny little Chinese lady pulls out. The machete biggest. She is and my dad. You know started to go up and she go. No you stay here. I take them Venos- and up the stairs dragging your machete. She went things like that. Have stuck with me for these years. Just things that you never. You don't experience any way else. Besides in a truck Truck Gentil three days. Before he passed away he'd kept. You know sickness a secret and We knew things bad but he tried to avoid coming home as much as possible and he called me and he was in New Jersey. And he's like I'm at this exit. I can't I can't go anymore. You have to come get me off in the middle of Nineteen New Jersey. We want and that's when he took his last step side of his truck apparently After Freddie died the truck was parked somewhere had to be moved away from. And it'd been sitting for probably six or seven months. It just refuse to start. We had three or four guys. Come out and try to help us and it just did not want to start one of the guys like you know what I'm sick of this. Evelyn you get up there you do this. I had my youngest daughter with me at the time. She was like a year old through her. Up In there and I just sat there turning the key and hitting the gas going. Come on please. Start to start. Please please start come on Dad. Please Start and then all of a sudden black smoke everywhere. I instantly tears running down my face and I was like all right guys like I don't have a CD L. I can't drive. Even they're like what do you mean can't drive? I was like why can't drive do and they're like well. This is no different so One of my dad's friends jumped up in the passenger seat. And he said come on. Let's go It was the most wonderful thing though. I got to know Evelyn. I wrote a song called good hand and the character in that Song live by simple ethic you put the load I and let us take care of itself. One day a man wrote to me out of the blue and he told me how much that song reminded him of a driver. He knew who used to run out of the PUMPIDO market a guy who went by fast Freddie. I said you're not going to believe this but I knew Fred. He was part of the inspiration for that song as it turns out this man. Also new Freddie's daughter Evelyn. Someone I hadn't seen since he was just a little girl next thing. I know I get a message from Evelyn herself. I mean what are the chances of that Evelyn would later? Tell me that her dad's heart had simply exploded days after his last run. It literally run himself to death. Like a Racehorse. Always looking after the load. It's one thing to write songs about this kind of thing. But Freddie Freddie was the song now you dark a drawl hard pound Hannah keys you to your face for the U. and Santa and squanded and code and how y'All ran Trad Wall Big Play Hello Longman Solas and fall the Pash man standing. Say a good hand. Pay Run on Tandy's Just turn Australia Man There. And it was for ma. It was all too twin turbos hound and cross the clear Santa Rosa Sky Brown Bob. And how it this was to be fat or an John. Do over the road. Pit crew includes producer and sound designer and costs and contributing producers Lacy Roberts. At transmitter media are editor from overdrive magazine is Todd. Dell's our digital producer is Erin Wade. Our project manager is Audrey mortgage and our executive producer for radio TOPI Is Julia Shapiro? I'm long-haul Paul. All the music on the show is by in caution myself featuring performances by Michael Gilbert. Ronstadt Travis the snake man. Ramic Terry to socks. Richardson Titian Lingo. Jim Whitehead Jan Grant. 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Our Punjabi Brothers
"Interstate five and highway ninety nine gridlock. Today hundreds of truckers carried out a rolling protest Sacremento California twenty seventeen on almost one thousand semis take to the road. And one of the largest demonstrations by truckers ever be wanting to open their eyes and see what's going on and stop all this government interference and all of it led by an unlikely crew of Turkish job. Music blasting is Tim. They had like T. A. Fried potatoes for everybody. That was driving through so everybody was taking the rest of the eggs and they were just hand them to end their truck today on the show. We're circling back to a subject. We've been following since the start of the series new regulation that would go into effect December. Eighteenth forcing them to use electronic logging devices electronic logging divide he'll de automatically records time. Drivers spends behind the wheel of the devices. When put them on fourteen hour timers creating danger when the time runs out the coming at it from another side? It's the story of how a Community of immigrants banded together in the face of government regulation became a force to be reckoned with in the trucking industry I'll while changing a few heart process yellow turban on and he has that bright blue peterbilt and he gets out where I forget what they call it but it looks just like a sheet and it's the same color as its truck now. Slide while Radio Tovia and overdrive magazine. This is over the road. I'm on hall Hello before we get rolling today. We have a favor to ask over. The road is conducting a survey. That will help us learn more about our listeners. And we'd really value your feedback. Could you just a few minutes to tell us about yourself and share some things you like about the show after you listen to this episode? Of COURSE PLEASE VISIT SURVEY. Dot P R x dot org slash over the road to take the survey today. That's survey that P R x dot org slash over the road. Thanks so much. Hey Everyone L. HP here with a timely message. Healthcare workers are currently facing a dire shortage of masks and other personal protective equipment. They are fighting for our lives and we need to protect. There's so if you have make our want to request P P please visit get us P P dot org. Thanks for listening. I remember first seeing in job drivers out on the road in nineteen ninety seven. I was loading hand olives at a warehouse near Redding California and there were these three dudes there and they were all wearing turbans. And that's fine. That's all well and good to each his own until they got assigned to their doctors before I got mine now. This happened at a time. When trucking was changing rapidly deregulation had pretty much. Dropped out the floor on freight rates and good jobs disappearing at the same time more and more immigrants were coming into the industry to pick up the slack. It was a perfect recipe for resentment and prejudice me. I wasn't making squad on that load of Olives and here are these people from God knows where further to pressing the freight market and while we're at it let's just go ahead and load them. First am not going to lie to you. That was limit. The sad truth is that when times get tough. A trucker has a reflexive tendency to blame some other trucker for his troubles. And when you're white male and have enjoyed everything those privileges confer and yet you're barely making it. The easiest trucker to blame is the one who looks and talks differently than you. We tend to kick downward rather than band together and address the powers that be. And that's what makes the story retelling today so remarkable it starts out in a pristine suburban neighborhood of California's Central Valley at the home of been the at wall. Truth is I wasn't the one ring that doorbell. At this exact moment I was waiting on a load of yogurt pound for Detroit but we were lucky enough to team up with a reporter at K. Q. E. D. public radio named Alex Hall. Then anyhow Bene- gives Alex a quick tour of the House. This is actually bedroom. Sun Helps out. Yeah I'm always on the truck. Oh Bender's two sons or six and three. Now the Batman the Black Panther. He has a black parents that blanket but downstairs. Two living room is beautifully decorated with ornate wooden furniture and religious imagery that that's the ten gurus and that's the Golden Temple. That's like I cleveland of the Vatican her family photos everywhere mob in a strange kind of twist. Benda actually got into trucking so he could spend more time with his kids before I was working in pizza in like I was a general manager but in pizzas. Weekends are the busiest. So you always after like Saturday and Sunday in with trekking. At least I got my two three days off to spend completely with my kids. So when Benny was out on the road he might be gone for days at a time but he can also be home on the weekends. You know so that that was the main reason I got in tracking. Surprisingly it was hard in the beginning he was gone. Most of the time been just wife is home to out wall. She had just had their first child. Benefit went out on the road so hard but the kids know what their dad does. Or you know how is because most of our family members are in trucking business and this is part of the reason we wanted to talk to Benda because just a couple of years. After getting his commercial driver's license he found himself at the very heart of a family a community and eventually a movement of Punjabi truck drivers. Like if you wanted to count my street and like three neighboring streets here the I could probably name like fifteen people one of my uncles. My Dad's brother lives four houses down one side of the street and my dad's other brother lives three houses down the other side of the street. And we're all truck drivers you know. It's like thirty thirty. Two House subdivision maybe forty but like all the houses here that Indians except for one family. Everybody has at least one truck driver you know and the House right there with a car backed up in the driveway. Those are all Indians. Also triggers bend. It takes Alex for a little drive around town and it's like this pretty much wherever they go that guy. He's a truck. Driving School read trek from the last name because the thought and then when they talk to those drivers. It's the same story all over again my father-in-law he's also from driver. Let's see my brother. My cousins uncles. My brother he used to dispatch eighty percent of the men and has his last. Drivers suggested job as you go into. Trucking are in fact overwhelmingly meal. I HAVE UNCLES COUSINS. Brother-in-law's friends we decide when we are India. I know maybe over like five. Six hundred truck drivers they stopped for lunch turned out. Even the owner of the restaurant. Used to be Tucker. Yeah yeah deliver. Residents buffer truckers. He'll deliver precise figures on this but we're talking. Many thousands of Indian American truck drivers in California alone and many of those drivers trace their roots back to a single state of India called Pun job. So Punjab is a state in northern India but as far as the culture that's necessity goes when you talk to job person. They will not identify as Indian. They will identify as part of what sets this region. Apart is a sick religion which originated in Punjab about five hundred years ago. There's there's six thirty and there's Hindus there and spend tells it. This religious divide helps explain the rise of Punjabi. Trucking in America August the Fifteenth Nineteen Forty Seven Independence Day for India. You have to go back to the partition of India at the end of British colonial rule. Okay so like in forty seven. When India played the feeling was that the Hindu Guy India and the Muslims got Pakistan six. Got Nothing so this feeling kept building building building building and then here comes as one leader in all the six or falling on Carbon Chunkier. Giovanni has become well known for edging. Village seeks to abstain from drink and drugs and not bother getting very popular so the Congress Party the ruling party India at the time they devised attack on the Golden Temple which is like the holiest shrine of the six being the peer of Manhattan tension. In the which is a northern state of India where attack ended with Indian soldiers actually storming the temple itself illegal leaving hundreds maybe even thousands of people dead including the leader of this movement after Nineteen eighty-four and in retaliation to six. They were bodyguards for Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi. At the time they shot and killed her tensions between the majority and the Sikh community of spilling over into violence so from nineteen eighty-four started a sick genocide spree and belly if they would see any Sikh youth sick man had a sick child they were killing four year. Old Kids so seek people would kill street. It was burned alive in that copy. A lot of people escaped from India. You know to save their lives. So that's why there was a large influx of seeking migration in the eighty s late eighties. Miller was actually born here in California but his dad. Gr- male outlaw came to the US in the eighties in nineteen eighty three that was before the assassination of Indira Gandhi in the violence against the six. He actually came because he married an Indian woman who lived in the US. All the youngest ever dreamed to go up route that time and the early eighties. There was only a very small Punjabi community in the Central Valley the first stone. We are used to move in. Renton I was. I only one Indian index down but not for law. My Dad came in eighty three. My GRANDPA game ninety two. My grandma ninety five one among those ninety nine my dad's sister in two thousand three and his other brother edge down six within like twenty three years. He had his whole family here now. I have nobody. On my Dad's side of the family in India at all like a lot of Punjabi emigrants their families settled in the area around Livingston California about an hour north of Fresno. No you'd see every Tony Livingstone to Indian temple because committee come over here from Mendez. Dan saw the same trend. Play out with Punjabi chuckers any eighty three. There were few. He could basically count them it. I I know their names. Even letcher brothers share goal tracking parking. Not More than forty people driving truck Indian people and eventually he would become one of them. Okay so when my dad first came from India he was clean shaven. He had a mustache and he got a job with a Conagra banquet. Foods as a quality control supervisor. But this shutdown in ninety three by that time Ben's Dad had decided to grow out his beard and hair as you may know this is one of the basic practices of the sick faith and also. Why many six whether hair and Turban? So he would apply for jobs and he would tell them. Oh six years seven years experience as a quality control supervisor of a badges degree Yadda Yadda. Ya know where he's been. They see my beard and they said over. We'll take about it and he didn't get a job anywhere so after just going place to place three or four months. He went to the local college and he got his license through there. That's why I have to get trip. Braver license. Trucking was simply that job he could get time. The pay was good. Nobody cared about the beard. There's no other option. It's a story. We heard many times from other Turkish and Benda's community when we come from other country we have nothing so at that moment. Either you could farm or you could gas station. Or they'll drive a truck that was working in the store making like fifty per month star driving up stopping lack of seven thousand dollars per month. You don't need a bachelor's degree to start making you know four five thousand dollars a month. It's good yes good. Pay The same reality exists for a lot of recent immigrants for someone with limited education English language skills. Trucking is about as good of a job as you can get. Maybe the only job you can get. The pay is decent which could explain why some estimates almost twenty percent of truckers in America. Today were born in another country but part of what makes the Punjabi Story. So remarkable is how this community has embraced trucking with many becoming owner. Operators of small fleet owners are even running their own trucks. There's actually like his whole genre of Punjabi Turkey sausage pancakes or Japan. And there's a lot of videos look like your average hip hop video except everyone is dancing around tractor trailers instead of exotic cars. It all feels a little bizarre to an old folk like me but they make trucking look pretty cool man. I got a little cousin. He just turned sixteen. You know he doesn't even have a car license but he's like marking his calendar until he turns eighteen and driving like local. Here's the thing about Benda. He really doesn't buy into the whole. Cool factor trucking for him. It's just a job tracking is like the last option like okay. You can't do anything else. They'll be a truck driver. Yoga make good money which raises the question. Why is bending driving a truck at all? I mean he was born here in the US. He's a native English speaker as a four year college degree and as it turns out two years of law school under his belt. Yes I did. Go to law school for two years but Back when I was young and dumb I gotta to misdemeanor. Dui's side couldn't take the bar exam until they were off my record. That's how Benda ended up working in pizza restaurant and ultimately driving a truck like everyone else in this story and Mike Me. Trucking gave him a way out of trouble at at that time. It seemed like the best way for me to provide for my family to where I was. You know bringing in a good amount of money that was in twenty fifteen which happens to be the same year. The federal government first announced a new mandate that would soon require virtually all truckers to run an electronic log. Opposition to the new rules started to build right away including within the Punjabi community and Benda found himself in a unique position. So they're doing all these videos in Punjabi and they tell me like hey you know you went to law. School badges do it in English in English and I mean that thing gained so much action games there was about a thousand trucks and the rolling protests after the break. Benda here own never meant to be a trucker in the first place. They comes the spokesman for the largest jerker protests in generation. All right got to pick it up right where we left off with Binda. He drops out of law school guesses CDL biases own truck and that same year the feds announced a new E. L. D. mandate for me. It just like you know you would lose more hometime the flexibility. To be honest with you you know. Remember that on paper logs. You basically regulated yourself. This means you could easily take an extra thirty minutes onto your work day or maybe take a nap in the middle of your shift. Then make up time later no one but the most. Hawkeye inspector would know the difference and sometimes those little liberties could mean a lot. You might go to church on Sunday morning. Maybe linger a little longer at the family. Barbecue are in business case. Make It home at night to see your newborn son. He felt like electronic logs. With take that away you know because I I my. My Dad was a single parent when he raises. I played football in high school. I played Indian. Sport Calls Goodbye. And my dad never came to new practices. I want to be there for that stuff. I don't want to miss his childhood as the start date for the L. D. mandate approach into realized. He wasn't the only one who felt this way. There's an APP called WHATSAPP writing. So we have trucking groups on their n each group has like two hundred and fifty six people in it so you know all these videos started coming out when she pleases and then people started saying you know what can I do not promise. And they went out and put like flyers truck stops rest their yaser like Indian restaurants at the temple where we know people and we just getting started getting such a big responses today. The latest started getting one hundred calls a day. Like what are we gonNa do where we need to go? We need to do you know so in a few of the other people who were sharing videos decided to call a meeting we met at the first six templates in California in Stockton and the response. There was just astonishing. We had maybe three hundred and fifty people there. Okay so we. We met there and we sat down with. We made like a five member committee and like I was kind of made in charge of like the media. Because your English is the best you know so you talked to all like the TV. The radio the newspaper. New Regulation Log expenses and Joe Machine protesting the electronic logging devices. Punjabi network linked up with the national protest plan for the first week of October. Two thousand seventeen called operation black and blue in California. The event kicked off with rally at the state capital in Sacramento when we got to Sacramento you know in front of the State Capitol building. I mean we had maybe five six hundred people out there as right as a drivers. Get Dignity respect you speech out there you know. I myself was English but mostly. They're in Punjabi Mahamdou Electron Eq log book and it was just like kind of trying to wake these sleeping people up like look. Think you know today. So that was Sacramento Bakersfield and then we have Fresno on the third day and then we had one day off and then the next day we were supposed to meet up in Yuba city. This was the culmination of the whole action. A rolling protest. Hundreds of truck showed up to participate. They had numbers printed out from like one hundred and fifteen hundred and we'd put seven hundred and eight hundred numbers on windshields there at the temple. Parking lot itself and many other showed up to ride along so it was a thousand trucks in the protest but in reality the number was probably like you know three or four thousand people that park. They've tried to I a massive protest. Shutdown drugger join a nationwide rally money. This is where per bend. At least the whole protest began to unravel once the freeway. Then people started parking on the side or slowing down. The protests had no official permits so the trucks ended up scattered over miles with no clear organization. Some drivers decided to just stop in the middle of the highway to get attention blocking traffic altogether. And that's when the news helicopter came out. Go right there. There's somebody actually on the freeway in front of that trump standing and then that's when the police started ticketing people protest to that one truck being pulled over someone has gone. Adhd got a ticket for having the the number in the wind. Should you know butt and in Norway at all was that part of the protest to shut down their freeway and knew that the whole LD protests left. Benda feeling well pretty bitter. He had helped to build a movement but he couldn't actually hold it together when they finally got out on the road. I have to be honest. Though I kind of envy. What Benda his Punjabi brethren were able to accomplish out there in California I mean. Do you know how hard it is to get to truckers to agree on anything even the price of diesel. So as far as I'm concerned if you can get a thousand truckers and point them in one direction Benda Atwal. You could just be the next. Jfk There's an interesting code to this story. Though which is how those protests affected the trucking community itself in a way this may be the most lasting impact of operation black and blue before we did the black and blue the PAJAU truckers got hardly any respect from like I mean if you if you think truckers predominantly Caucasian right like white males that are drivers and with their like the old school truckers. And they they called. They needs rag. Heads you know diaper heads Arabs and you name it they call them that but after the black and blue after you know the thousand plus showing they started calling the Punjabi Brothers. The sick brothers. You know they'll be like facebook pulses of people say something bad about a city crippen jobe and before. Sap responded like twenty white people responding gay. You know they're not all like that. We met these people. They're good. They got the same problem as us. One of those changed. Hearts belong to our old friend. Mike Landis when we interviewed Mike for our very first episode at the truck show he told us how his own attitude towards the sick and Punjabi drivers has changed having grown up watching nine eleven on TV in biology class to me if someone had a big beard looked Middle Eastern and had a turban on an ear crap That was wrong way to look at it. I knew it down but just always stuck in my head right up until the L. D. protests began I went to DC in October seventeen and we decided to go to Constitution and talk to the public the same week that bend and company were organizing the rolling protests in California Mike in a few dozen or so other truckers park their rigs along constitution avenue near the White House but a group of Punjabi drivers showed up in D. C. Too and one of the leaders stepped out of his truck with the. Foale Turban and beard. Mike was well impressed. And I'm thinking to myself and I'm like man if I was in a place where most people probably look at me and we're like Oh my God and he's still getting outwear net. 'cause he's proud to wear it and he's here with us. That kind of says a lot and just like in California. The East Coast Punjabis had completely out organized. Every other faction of truckers. You know he had put together with a few of the others. These vans and stuff that went around to the different states and picked up all these different. Sikh in Punjab drivers and stuff and they brought us food they would walk up to us and shake our hands and thanks for being here with our trucks. They outnumber US four to one. I guarantee you know they asked me like. Hey where are you from? And I'm like oh I'm from limits and they're like Oh yes to wait. What here they own. The pizza joint down the street from my house at the end of it. I was sitting on a bench watching looking at the Washington monument. And this whole thing has just been this crazy weird emotional eye-opening you're already they're fighting for something you believe in kind of and and then you know. I've always had his idea of these people and just totally feel like a complete piece of crap for having us idea for so long in my life. We talked to them. They want some type of action because they come from areas of the world where if they try and protest they're liable to be killed for one and for two. They've been in suppress type of situation where they're like. You have the opportunity to fight for something that's right like that's your right as a citizen here to be able to do that and you're not going to stand up and do it are you crazy. And they're they're hundred percent right a few days after we interviewed. Binda sick families from all around Livingston gathered together at their local temples. Beneteau is out driving that night but his wife and children when there was music fellowship and just like at the black and blue protests. Plenty of food. This has been falls on the same day as the valley. One of the major Hindu holidays divides feelings light so it was just like it's called the festival of lights but for six the day has a special significance and. Benda told us the story our sixth goon teacher his father was being. You'll also like so. Many of the stories shared begins in a time of oppression and resistance. They were trying to kill them. And the SICU was executed for refusing to pursue his faith and so young son rose to become the new Google and at the age of fourteen US imprisoned in Fort for two years because his father and he wouldn't convert so then under event of the valley. The emperor told them okay. You know for you. And they were also fifty two kings from like neighboring jurisdictions or whatever that were imprisoned in the same cell and he told them as many people can hold onto your shirt and follow you out on go So what good did was. He was only fifteen sixteen. He told his people to sell him a shirt with fifty two coattails so all the king's grab one and they all followed him out so it's called Bundy short like prisoner released it. It's all like job. Extended flock together. You know we're really close knit community if our own prisoner release is ever going to come for all the truckers out there who feel trapped by regulation and surveillance that I might just expect to see one of our Punjabi brothers leading the march man. I hope they'll save coktail for me. And in case you're wondering if those protests ever deadly to any actual change. The short answer is yes. We'll on that and our final episode. Because it's actually been playing out as we've been working on this series but we're not done yet and our next episode. I'm going to introduce you to some of the greatest characters and storytellers. I've ever met out here. We're calling it long haul Paul's long hall of fame and well radio. Topi is pretty much letting inmates running the asylum on this one so on our penalty episode. I'm going to pass the MIC around. And introduce you to some folks who are simply my heroes are over. The road. Pit crew includes producer and sound designer Ian costs contributing producers. Lacy Roberts a transmitter media and for this episode field producer Alex Hall at Acuity. Our editor from overdrive magazine. Todd dill's but I have to say the title editor really doesn't capture. What todd has done for this show? Todd is the one who really stuck his neck out for me and turn just basic wise guy trucker into an actual writer no water but my wife. Denise should ever have to be a traffic cop in my head but Todd Man. He does all right anyhow. Our digital producer is Aaron. Wait our project manager Miss Audrey Markevic in our executive producer for radio. Topa is Julie Shapiro. I'm long-haul ball. All the music on this show is by Ian Costs and myself featuring performances by travis. The snake man wants Terry to SOx Richardson Tissue. Mingle Jim Whitehead. Jan Grant. Call it the late. Great Roger Clark and Mr Andrew Marshall Additional engineering by Donegal it and the muscle shoals music marketing special. Thanks to Julie Kane K. Q. E. D. who connected us with Alex and all the other folks at the station who supported this collaboration. Also Jug me sing Mac at PR expert guidance and insight on this one and a deep bow to our friend. Bend for taking the time to talk to us. We know just how much he values day at home. What the family. So the fact that he set that day aside for this show means a lot over. The road is made possible by support from the folks. I've worked for for Really Long Time. Muller trucking now celebrating over thirty years of safe and reliable transportation for the food industry for more information. Check OUT MULLER TRUCKING DOT COM OVER. The road is collaboration between overdrive magazine. Npr XS Radio Tovia a collection of the best independent podcasts around look for overdrive magazine at overdrive online dot com to read todd and Caroline Magar Mason's contemporaneous account of the West Coast Yo- d- protests in two thousand seventeen search into the limelight sick truckers in America. While you're there catch todd's channel nineteen blog here the overdrive radio podcast and more while you're at it seriously. The staff at overdrive are truly first rate people and the fact that I'm even associated with that publication still blows me away you can find over the road online at over the Road Dot F. And be sure to follow us all those usual platforms to facebook twitter and Instagram at over the road pod. You can see some of my videos on youtube by looking for long haul all music. Thanks for listening hanging in till the end of the run. We'll be back next week with more stories from over the road. Radio community acts.
Another Update From the Road
"Okay just turn the motor all and I've got the recorder up to my ear. It's Monday march thirtieth in the dirt. Lot of old restaurant and Zolfo Springs Florida where we like to stop on. Us Seventeen our next episode episode four errors in two days. And it's a personal favorite of mine but for now we just wanted to give you a An update on how things are looking out here. So since last time we've checked and things have changed a little for me Denise is riding with me now so we're quarantining together. We loaded in Indiana and pass through Louisville on Saturday and we always measure spring by health. Farther Red Buds have made it and read. Buds were fully in Bloom and Louisville. And I thought this would have been the weekend for the mid American trucking show and I looked down at the Convention Center. There to to our right there was just like an ocean of Kroger Trailers Kroger course nations biggest grosser presumably there with the relief effort. The tremendous push to restock the supermarkets across the nation and it was It was just a beautiful spring day and you just see the sea of grey so this week we wanted to hear from some other truckers on what they're seeing out there over the road and we put the call out on overdrive magazine and these are some of the voices we heard from. I mean it was going across the bridge. Gw Bridge out at eight o'clock on a Thursday morning. Last week was literally no traffic. I mean nothing. came down yesterday to the board in town where? I'm at right now and nature winning in the middle of ours where there was. Nobody inside grabbed a shower. My hands look like Been digging fence posts. Because I've been cleaning them so much with simple green and an clorox wipes because they can't find anything else you know. This is Mark Lynnwood. Arkansas one thing. I have definitely noticed in West Memphis. Arkansas there's a petro. Don't stop and last Saturday at two. Am there were parking spaces available at that truck stop? I haven't seen to him parking truckstop in five years so yeah it is definitely slow things down. You know it'd be safe out there but there's been very weird You know picking up emergency relief supplies and you know. They didn't want the driver getting out of the truck at all. The bills would be put back in the back of the trailer. They had somebody outside. Opening your doors for you slotting. Your tantrums can't even get in and get a vending machine anymore and then on top of all that you know you have these truck stops arrest as I don't know how to handle everything. So they're shutting the the restaurant down by eight or nine o'clock at night forgetting that there's driver driving at two o'clock in the morning. So what's he gonNA eat for lunch? This jeff car from Johnny Wisconsin on the company drive for paper transport and I want to say thanks to other people who support us on the road from the people that green to showers or the people that bring us coffee during this crap but The latest story of the hate for my snack at the loves in menominee Wisconsin. And it wouldn't take my money because somebody had dropped off donation to pay for food. So thank you ever did this. And Um thanks everybody keeps US rolling during this stock. Thank you special. Thanks to Jaffa Mark. Who called us with their thoughts and also to Ingrid Brown trucking that produce up to Hans Point. God bless you and Jason Miller who we caught up with and West Virginia. Okay so I gotta run. I'm I'm on my fourteen and my half hour break up. I've gotTA grab alluded juice bound for Ohio. But in the meantime take care of one. We'll see on Thursday radio.
The Biggest Tailgate in Trucking
"Four years ago I was northbound on. I seventy five and Knoxville Tennessee. My cargo a load of imported watermelons they had sailed on a container ship from Guatemala. To South Florida where they were transferred by forklift onto big trucks driven by folks like me. These were those tiny seedless designer types. They call personal watermelons. I always wondered about the marketing cat. Who came up with that one personal watermelons? It's like a watermelon. You can have as a friend. I was pulling a refrigerated trailer back then a reefer as we call them. Weaver's a heavily insulated box trailer equipped with a giant diesel powered temperature control unit. It's actually got the capacity to maintain more than forty thousand pounds of perishable freight at temperatures as cold twenty below. It was rush hour Knoxville or K Town Tucker code traffic came to a screeching halt at the junction of I seventy five and I six forty. I got stopped and time but the trucker behind me well not so much Shoot rear ended. I took a minute to collect myself and walked to the back of the trailer to check I on the other driver. He said he was okay. Then I opened the vent hatch to check my load. What's seconds before had been a perfectly picked personal watermelon was now pro lapsing through its ruptured. Rhine down the crumple of exterior of what had once been the trailer. Stainless steel door and on to my trembling hand. Sorry friend Unbeknownst to me at the time this baptism and the puree of a personal watermelon come to being my own creative big bang. Strangely as a result of this event I would come to be part time recording artists a contributor for overdrive magazine a now even a card carrying podcast producing radio. Toby and I'm long-haul Paul. You're listening to over the road. I got that Lucy. You A new. Cfo by truck. It up by now on the top of this mountain and I know I still gotta get down the other side. Somehow and I'm so scared I'm shaking but I know quite a few drivers that swear by roasting salmon over there and we will willing to take pot bellied pig. We tried to even pickup sixty pounds tortoise fines or change. Ain't that anymore. What why shouldn't it be that way? Here's how this is going to work. We've been traveling all over the country down the highways and the hedges collecting the real stories of real people who live and work over the road. You got eight episodes for you and each one we explore. How trucking is changing today? And along the way I'll tell you a few of my own stories eck I might even sing you few songs Too Bad so far. Let's start out at a place. Called the Kentucky Expo Center in Louisville home to the mid America trucking show or mats for short think of a Home Depot about twelve times. Its normal size. Then fill it with trucks truck drivers and every possible thing. Anyone is ever thought of to make a buck off a trucker automatic snow. Change what we're selling heaters for truckers that have cabs telling ninety thousand people with some concerts and swag. And you've got the mid America trucking. Show your you've got your air freshener dues odor eliminator products for the highway professionals. Not Those guys. We say three sprays last for days. Tell me about this beef jerky he's got those all boys make the beef jerky you'll ever eat that really tender. Actually those two. We Are Insurance Company specializing. The owner operators or the international vendors hoping to land that pig contract. Shchelkonogov are big truck. Makers are here. Like Kenmore's and Peterborough Five. Seventy Nine ultra loft in its black Monte truckmaker proud to tell people I can't afford a real one but I can hook you up with a real nice toiling we but for many longtime gear jammers that signifies something more. It's a Hobo convention of sorts. A chance to see all trucking buddies and to swap stories. And that's why we're here if you want to know what's going on in the trucking world. This is a good place to start but first let's cover some basics. There are four point two million Americans who hold a CDL that's a commercial driver's license a CDL allows us to drive a vehicle weighing over twenty six thousand pounds together. We lose seventy percent of all domestic freight. Think of it everything you she had the store everything you buy online moves by truck at some point at it all up. We're talking about a seven hundred billion dollar industry moving literally fifty five billion pounds of stuff every day at that rate. American truckers could haul off the great pyramid of Giza Stone by stone about five times a day. Of course there are lots of different types of truckers and trucks out there. Refrigerator FREIGHT TRUMPET. Collar REEFA throats. You know like what I drive flatbed. We should call them skateboards. Us Big flat trailers with loads of lumber and steel. All the Collar Park Bedbug as a furniture holler tanker trump we call tanker ganger. I drive one of those sometimes to stroke the. How board a haulers? There's all kinds of terminology for them as you can imagine. We have our own factions. Clicks and hierarchies flat betters don't usually associated with a reefer guys like me and the ball. Haulers could never see themselves as freight haulers or door swingers. Has They call them? Because all a door swinger does as backup to the dock and swing the doors open and shut off our show. They say but here for three days at least none of that matters. We're all just drivers and not a one of us. Came here to have a bad time. Volvo dynamic steering with stability assist is a new innovation from Volvo. Trucks allowed the talk mets this year. There's about new technology when a truck starts to skin it seems every part of the truck has got a computer. Now who's been concedes turned on even the seat notice how much of the bouncing is limited. By the active suspension seats computer controlled motor. And there's a feeling the technology is not just changing the truck but it's changing us and the way we do business that the codes and culture of trucking are eroding before is we met are just real like I think last clump into a facebook friend on the show floor named Greg Murphy. Now works for Uber through a resume if oh this is never going to happen. Yes the rideshare company Hoover and here I am now Greg. You you have a unique story because you are a longtime truckdriver exactly. Ashby come like the public relations as on for Uber. It's exactly kind of the interpreter. Be I would call it between the trucking community and Uber freight crank is affable middle aged or the salt and pepper beard and a cool Fedora. More truckdriver than computer person. That's for sure all around. Him is a veritable. Phalanx of UBER'S BLACK-SHIRTED MILLENNIALS. But Greg speaks fluent trucker and so he pulls out his phone and shows me okay. Another middle aged guy in yet another. Fidora go here. It is opens up how to UC UBER FREE APP. And it knows that I'm in Louisville today so now thinking about it and so it has these little cards for each load right so incentive connecting cars with riders. Uber frame is connecting. Touched loads greg. If you would so this one is from Walton Kentucky to Los Alamos California for three thousand seventy. That's the pressure this loop eighteen hundred miles. It has trailer load number and all that What it is wait all I have to do tap that card and the load is mine. Phone calls no haggling technologies coming and it's We need to embrace it and and be part of the conversation. I have to wonder them at three thousand bucks on the State of distance of eighteen. Hundred Miles doesn't know. Haggle simply mean. Take it or leave it who have no choice. I'm going to confess to you. There is a primal fear about the power of a company like test. I think change overall is just difficult for people to embrace. It's unfamiliar. We don't know what is going to look like. And that creates anxiety said truckers are embracing new technology and using it for their own benefit. You've got quite a hat collection way back when I gave myself heatstroke by being stupid Sandra Goshi. Basically you tell them how the people were treated you if you were professional if there was a bathroom that you could use because there's a lot of places that don't allow trucker Caesar Bathroom. She's told me. About doc four one one. It's a reading basically like yelp for loading docks you kind of helped the trucker after you or the person after you. They've surveyed over ten thousand truckers about their experiences. Sandra here is talk. Four one. One number one reviewer if they have forklifts that Ye sportclips On her some of the other attributes Stephen that you can think of if there's overnight parking if you can sleep there and the overnight parking. Sandra drives us a team with her husband. Stephen was awesome. How you were treated professional. If if I was to read the review that I put in for this one doc I would never take freight into the stock. We went in there the first time and we waited three hours to get unloaded which that's okay. Second time we went in there. We waited thirteen hours. No bathrooms no facilities and couldn't leave. The truck refuse like that or ended up and turned into a scorecard for every dock. They do business with DOC forewoman. It's one of those things that it's like. It's never going to be complete because there's always going to be new docks but it's going to be a big relief taller structures do but they're still another technology on truckers minds. At Matt's this year right now log something much more consequential than a new APP electronic log situations become a pretty big issue is called an E. D. mandate has electric walking vice versa. Log I mean most of the time we log on the biggest thing. This log issue is all playing out right now and pretty much the biggest change. That's come to our culture since I started. Trucking Back No. Hundreds of big rigs took over highway ninety nine in protest today. Creating truckers have even put on protests about ninety five. Southbound is shut down one of those things that just keeps coming up in our conversations with drivers so on our first day at Matt's we find ourselves at the vintage. Meru peterbilt someone who's been at the center of so much of the protests. Yeah so My Name's Mike Landes from lititz Pennsylvania Amish country town and Lancaster County I got into truckin right out of high school pretty much. I got my CD L. After I graduated first time I got behind the wheel driving school. The local Vo Tech it was all downhill from. There are all about how truckers record. They're driving and working hours. So yeah we have What the car hours of service which is Once you come on duty you're allowed fourteen hours of working time Eleven of that fourteen can be driving. But then you have to take ten hours off before you can go back to work so every day you get fourteen hours on duty and you have to take ten hours off. Problem with that is is that once you start your day. Your clock for the day doesn't stop in the past. Those hours recorded in paper logbooks. Every driver kept a set of books in the cab recorded their time with a pen on a four line grid and made that log available to inspectors and state patrol basically regulated yourself so to me. That's important because I was taught old way of trucking. You do what you gotTa do to get the job done. But you sleep when you're tired and you know you truck when you're awake if you took a quick nap and your shift or ran a little over the time limit. You could chuckle. That cleric I mean you. Don't turn into a Zombie. Just because you're five minutes past your time and fall asleep and drive off side road then you could chuckle it until the electronic logging device and basically what that does it hooks into the computer on the motor of the truck and it records? Everything you do. I on how hard you're on a throttle. How hard break. And you're moving your stop your speed the whole nine yards. It counts down every second of your day so whereas before on a paper logbook. If you're five minutes past your time pointing the truck stop. Nobody knew the difference. No harm no foul. But now I mean I've seen people backed halfway in a parking spot and truck stops already because if they finish backing up there he's going to put them in violation to go another fifty feet back drunk up in no parking spot. You hear stories like this all the time truck speech like Wales and the most God awful places because their drivers round of ours. You've probably seen those trucks yourself. That's because in December twenty seventeen a new mandate came into effect requiring. Virtually all trucks on the road to run an electronic log and to me it's a slap in the face driving a truck at eighteen years old. I'm now thirty. Three closing in on two million miles. I have a clean driving record to me. All comes down to the way I was taught that comes down to the responsibility of knowing you're operating an eighty thousand pound machine the fact that they're going to tell me that. I need this thing in my truck to keep me safe on. The road doesn't sit well with me at all. I I hear you loud and clear I we we do these checks Ohio Texas Florida. Triangles a lot denise Stepmother is dying. She's in Louisiana Nursing Home and we want to see her. She's days away from dying literally days away from that and I'm on the L. D. A. We stopped to see her and essentially. We've got to say our goodbyes to her in about forty five minutes because our fourteen hour clock is ticking and I just have this moment of complete clarity that something's gotta give and there's a lot of people that will say. Hey that's not true. They don't force you to drive tired. They don't force you to not take a shower. Yada Yada Yada well. I mean you're right. The thing doesn't reach up and grab me and tell me I need to keep trucking but the sad reality is they kind of do now. I should say here that Mike does not run any log. The reason might drug don't need one is because the cutoff date is two thousand and newer. Need them ninety nine and older do not. So it's ninety nine peterbilt's just to all to connect to a computer. But Mike has done more than just. Avoid the new regulation. It's actually fighting it. So we started United States Transportation Alliance and The unique thing about us is that all of us are drivers that met through doing protest type stuff for the industry and nobody out here. That is making these rules or regulations or pushing for rules or regulations have ever sat behind the wheel for any amount of time and definitely not anytime recently. So you know when we go to DC and we go every month right now we park our trucks we meet with Congressmen and senators. Fmcsa that's the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration. Truckload carriers we've met with the teamsters So it's been it's been a pretty good thing and we were fortunate enough to help with the hours of service. That are supposed to be changed. I'm actually expecting an announcement here at Matt's for that. In fact the keynote speaker for the weekend is none other than Elaine Chao. The United States Secretary of Transportation So we're hoping that has to do with that realize things change with the times and technology game goes mismatch young thing but truck and still trucking and I chose me personally. I chose to drive a truck because I grew up around trucks and I love trucks and for me you know. It sounds kind of Corny but the other week I was invited to concert by someone that we know Backstage and stuff. Afterwards you're hanging out and like watching this guy on stage you could tell. He was just in his zone. And I said the best way I could describe watching you on stage like me riding across the California Arizona Desert with a truck pressed out in the moonlit chicken lights on just pipe singing and cruising and some people are like what I don't get it. You're just driving a truck down the road and I'm Mike Gabum to me. It's more than just driving a truck down the road. You know it's the freedom of it and that's kind of being taken away as what the bad part is if we don't do anything to help fight this stuff guys like me are going to be gone after the break here that big announcement from Elaine Chao but first we venture out onto the parking lot at Matt's we'll hear why this log thing is such a big deal and I'll tell you what gave me and how. Ld's lead at least indirectly to the making of this podcast. Hey folks todd dills here. I'm the senior editor with overdrive magazine. Which is helping to produce this podcast for those of you are new. This trucking world overdrive is basically a trade publication for independent truckers ones. Who owned the rigs hall with for? Many years. We've called ourselves the voice of the American trucker in so part of what we wanted to do with this podcast to actually build a little bridge between the highway. Haulers read overdrive and well the uninitiated among you. Some going to be hosting a special series of mini episodes row. Take questions from those of you outside the business and put them directly to our trucking listeners. We're calling it. The Channel One nine special after the CB radio channel used for trucker to trucker information sharing the first channel. One nine episode will show up in your feed next week. But I'm dropping out. Ask a quick favor if you've got questions about trucking seriously about anything at all having to do with it no question is too simple or too strange give us a call at seven six five two four five four eight four four and leave us a message again. Seven six five two four five four eight four four. Be Sure to state your name and location with your question. And thanks okay. So back to the mid America trucking show. I want to pick things up the next morning. Outside in the parking lot or drivers are busy polishing their trucks. I love truck and it's a lifestyle. It's not job lifestyle. There are actually two parking. Lots of chuck set manse each with its own vibe. There's this show and Papa John's lot we'll explain. West called that in a minute but the show lot is home to the Paul key young truck beauty championship. And that's where we start our day. My Name's Debbie Jones. I'm working on excessive behavior. Number one name is Eric. Turner neighbor my truck. Show talk boost pressure down here for your term. You want to check out my scrapbook trigger valve. This is a place where trucks have names. The ghost is a nineteen ninety six freightliner plastic exile part of the family says my big girl. Phyllis his little girls stay tuned. Those little amber bulb we call chicken lights very drought rival on and they won't crawling white carpeting wood floors that you wouldn't Florida you get it from Home Depot really old for the competition itself. Trucks are organized into different sections marked off with plastic gross. Oh there are categories like antique custom limited. Mileage bobtail working class bobtail working combo meaning. I put miles on my trip. My favorite the antique original. I cut my teeth on trucks. The Trans Star International. There's nothing like the. Am radio reception on an all. Steel made old school western star. There are teams who work an entire year to prep a truck for this show of guys Polish on it for a day and a half and they're still rubbing now live loveth. Breathe it bleed it if you believe as I do that a truck can be a work of art and this is the Guggenheim. There's a lot of history there. Lots of our lives has been spent in it under it over and everything squirrel. No jury we've done in this job. How much would you effort chuck? Right two hundred green. Let's sort of installment plan. Would you consider we couldn't do that? I figured I guess as we leave the show lot. I know that two hundred Grand Peter. Bill will never be mind. Let's face it. I'm more of a papa. John's type this lot serves a University of Louisville Football Stadium formerly known as Papa John's Stadium. The university dropped that name after the pizza. Magnate found himself in hot water but for truckers the shorthand stuck in any case picture a stadium parking lot with rows upon rows of tractor trailers. Only thing is these aren't show trucks. These are just the trucks. People drove here to attend the one with the shoestrings on the Stern. What's the statute of limitations? Are All out here now. With our camping chairs gas grills and coolers walking their dogs Kentucky Spring Air. Maybe the biggest tailgate and all of trucking. Big enough that you can actually lose your target. Were at the show. I didn't see a single person I knew down here. In steerage it's different. I'm digging that new chrome bumper weren't tell you what happened. The last was it a deer. No defense I remember that the hour at me. What's his name in the back of my head? Later that night there's even an impromptu concert let's get back to it now and guess who gets invited to sing flat better show there any flat better okay. Great Yeah and the in another side Gig. I'm a singer Songwriter. Well we had a friend he. He fell deeply in love with a female flat better. But when she learned that he pulled a refir- she rejected him because he didn't know how you know the chains and the binder and it's called on never run that back door anymore. She died down and drop me on NASCAR more took her teen and put it in and says you couldn't live with the guilt. What we've done in that Pete about now never back again in a way concerts like this. Reenactment of a bygone age on drivers would be laid over at some truckstop. Someone would bring out a grill. Someone would contribute a case of beer. Someone Mike Commandeer a chicken or two off their load someone just have a good tar. Your door swinger live. Maybe that's why this log thing is such a big deal because there just doesn't seem to be time for those encounters anymore and maybe that's why I still come back here to hear the stories. The stories had seduced me ended. This live so long ago. Started driving in eighty-eight hall now to Mississippi Furniture that same night. We talked to guiding Tim. Ed they will tell you rack. Quick light if you cannot turn five thousand miles away. We don't need you. We've got a stack applications over here. This thing we can replace you tomorrow. And of course you take dope you know our take grail of good crate. Nope and I would do. I'd ever three or four hundred miles for some there really. Was this dark side to the old days. I mean taking whatever drugs you can take to stay awake. Stories like this of trucking's wilder days really aren't that hard to come by around here. We were stopped exit. Thirty and Tennessee. Ace Two hundred ever Jay for some reason favorite now more than ever. Thank we've been hurting onto the digital reservation of the law like we have to tell these stories. I remember one time. I went all the way to Boston out trying to get through traffic trying to get back Massachusetts state. Police pulled me over. He pats pockets. I had a cargo pants. The the bottle was down at the bottom of it. He missed it. I could have got years in penitentiary then so I go down to the rest area Rhode Island and I celebrate not Doobie two lines. It's not just to get back but the it was it to get high. It was a job it was for your work. It wasn't recreational turning miles turning bird. How'd you get off of that stuff? There's three ways you get off crank meth jail the grave. Jesus how's it ever and I've been up two or three days when I pray. God you know help me. And he spoke to me. They said it's up to you is through the grace of God that I got off of it. So you're now you're off. The crank prayed God's intervene. What do you tell your boss at needs? Five thousand miles a week out from you told me I can't do it. I work for myself. I'm older operator down. He delivered from that aspect too. Now I won't do. They got up and delivered. Ma I got my I E L D back in Twenty. Sixteen a few months after that Watermelon Rack. I told you about a Knoxville. The plea worked for announced. We would roll out an analog pilot program. Guinea pigs were needed. Something about Knoxville. Jarred me more than it should have for years. I had pushed myself to the limit produce Holler and had never been bothered by the what ifs but after Knoxville. It just seemed like my nine wives were at that time the log felt like kind of a way out of all that so. I let Brenda our safety officer. No I would give it a try. That's right folks. I'm all in tears. When the day came they trained me on how to operate the dog which recorded the trucks data straight onto basic samsung tablet. The company told me not to go crazy on Netflix. And all five win now carting around this brand new tablet. I started recording. Some of my songs and posting them on Youtube. Came to me in a dream. Mackie's I also began writing about my experience of being an old trucker who had to make the log switch. I mostly did this as a Cathartic exercise but to win. I sent some of these ramblings to an editor overdrive magazine named Todd Bills. You heard from todd earlier. Todd wound up giving me a shot on this blog. Now on this podcast. So at the risk of being shunned by all my trigger friends. I have to say in a way I all to locks limit to ask. Great a sin is ruling Downer. Watch good band with a shoebox song pushing that tens of sleeping but enough about me all weekend. Drivers are waiting for that big update. Mike was telling us about on the new rules for logs. What we call hours of service. Yeah we've had a few people sign up to be members and stuff so far while we've been Glenda's even has a booth set up on. The showroom floor of Matt dropped a couple thousand dollars out of my own company to build the booth. Truck did here and whole crew. Here dressed in their matching black shirts. Go Get the word out there. People who we are and what we're doing and what better place to do it where there's thousands of truck drivers at one spot. It's been a year now should see. L. D. mandate went into effect. And we're all feeling in one way or the other so I sit through long seminars by government administrators but no news then on our last day at Matt's Transportation Secretary. Elaine Chao gets up to give us the keynote address the dot has something to say. This would be the time but right away. The power goes out eventually comes back. Say why she gets to what we're all waiting to hear me and the department moving forward with the next step which is a rulemaking garden. So I can't let me department still nothing. No news civility serious. Just then alarm sounds some tell us instead? The speech turns to the usual platitudes homes. Were I'm so tired of that. Line read are Blah Blah Blah. Word without really saying much of anything at all. Elaine Chao Edsall farewell address the mid America trucking show closed the next day shell trucks drove out in formation while the Papa. John's lot gradually disbanded. Matt's was done but we're just getting started. We're going to keep following this L. D. issue across the series. We'll hear how Mike Landes brought his fight to the streets of Washington. Dc and found unlikely allies in the process for some context. We'll go deep into the history of trucking with one of my favorite writers. We'll hang out at truck stops and meet the families of charters to understand how this business affects the people around us and we'll pair into where the trucks may just drive themselves. But first we're going to Grand Island Nebraska to find out why anyone would want to drive a truck in the first place. I was intrigued and so I called her up and I said No. Now come again about the truck driving. What did you say thanks to? Everyone entrusted us with their stories. We'll catch you again over the Momma said and his son you know you can become whatever you want to be so by Mild Chris Brown and hers for her to see what became the CEO. Nineteen years old. I was wrestling bowling. Highway call me one day. Now it's down on the blood and a rose acuff flood in a way Particu a lot of people are make a podcast. I'm going to tell you about. All of them are over. The road pit crew include producer and sound designer Ian Costs and contributing producer. Lacy Roberts at transmitter media are editor for overdrive magazines. Todd dill's our digital producer is Erin Wade. Our project manager is Audrey Markevic and our executive producer for radio. Topa his Julie Shapiro. I'm long Homa Paul. All the music on the show is by in costs and myself featuring performances by travis. 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Gears brakes lights in all else you might want to know about the truck itself over the years of the known to Marcy Radnor Avenue in a peterbilt. Today's Ingrid Brown had no hailing from the Blue Ridge mountains of North Carolina. Pratima Kennedy. No come on. I've been a driver in. Breyer now. Company governor for forty plus years. Okay let's get into Hi. This is Elizabeth from San Antonio Texas. I I have a lot of questions about trucking. I I guess is how many gears you have drive a manual transmission myself and I remember when I learned that someone told me that have like eighteen years and I wanNA know if that's true. I mean good yes it is true I have eighteen years as it called an eighteen speed And you have a low range and you have a high range so picture. Typical manuals shifts in the car but three times as long with almost twice as many gear positions. On top of that. You've got a selector switch called a splitter that allows you to move between the low range and the high range and the low ranges when you're taking all when you're something heavy you know to start off far up hill or anything And then as you pick up speed then it goes into the top. The high range classic ten speed bicycle has its five main gears in rear and front shift or two. Now it just switch gears should add that. Not all trucks have so many speeds. You also have your nines tens palms I trump all depends on the needs and desires of the truck's owner ultimately the higher the number of speeds more versatility. You have in how you. Ho- what you hall and where you haul it good evening. My name is landon. Williams Out in Milford Pennsylvania. The next question is related but a little more complicated and Sometimes when we go uphills the truck drivers will typically slowdown to so low. I'm not really sure what's going on there. I'm not sure if that's a transmission savor what's going on there thank you well. Why don't they reason that we slow down is because we have such heavyweights gravity's GonNa pull you backward and slow you down and that transmission starts dropping gear so that it hits right horse power to get the the truck trader up the hill? So say they'll turn their flashers on so that you're protected and and you understand wound slowing down okay. One more about speed Halley from Indiana and I was curious why trucks will drive the exact same speech and not let cards cats. So why truckers did that. Well I trucks are governed not all a lot of trucks and energy company trucks are governed meaning the top speed is actually limited by the trucks. Computer I can't go over sixty to sixty five sixty seven sixty eight. Well you may have a truck. That's one or two miles above the next truck. They hit a he'll one truck slows down because of the weight and then other trump goes around to pass him but now he's four or five miles per hour faster. Get CLEAR OF THE HILL. And they're back down to just one or two mile an hour so now they're fed by side trying to get past the one that's holding them down on the hill so basically be patient. That's it you know. It's it's it's about the patience of everything with us. We definitely are not out here trying to get in anyone's way we're trying to get out of your way more than anything. Okay next copper. Just a second. I have to show this mercy. One ABOUT PATIENTS. Thirty six sorry parking Hi My name's Blake from Delray. Beach Florida I often have to drive from del Rey Tampa at night and it always wondered why the trucks have so many lights on them like does indicate anything or just kind of like a way to indicate your own personal style. Thanks well if that's something that's been a personal preference and in the air forever like to add like we're talking about those little amber bulbs that some of US call chicken lights and also lights up around our truck at night. You can see a shadow of a car in your life that reflect off the ground and I started snowing. Jane exact thing more like the more visible than more visible. The more you're able and you're out of harm's way for us to maneuver okay. Moving on hi My name is trip. I live in wake forest North Carolina. I love this next one every now and again. I'll hear a tractor trailer. It'll just sort of roar. And I think it's called engine braking but I don't really know what it is. So what does that? Kinda loud farting fan. Thanks oh in the trucking worldwide. Call that a jake brake lights. Jat a jake brake and it is known as an engine break and and It what it does is it literally uses the pressure through the motor and it slows the engine down. And it's actually an extra biking mechanism for protectors tractors and trailers burst of compressed. Gas Releases from the cylinders can be very loud on some trucks. That's IT farting sound trip. Was talking about that Roaring San. We kind of think it sounds pretty neat and That's part of the diesel soul in your blood. They ought thing and again. It also is a fantastic warning time for people so if you hear that sound focus close on the road ahead because rig with much better visibility than us putting on the brakes. Hi My name is Glenn. I live in the catskill mountains of New York. Okay Ingrid last question for you here. I've wondered why truckers never turn lost their trucks. I mean get in the wintertime. Keep the heat on but otherwise I am ask well guilty. Party is not turning myspace off. Miss Faith would be the name of being rich last. Peterbilt trucks One thing especially in the winter there feel Joe on the tank once that fueled gels up. You'RE NOT GONNA get. It cranked up because it's just like Jelly for summer. Well Hey again. Air conditioners cost and a whole lot of the country through the summer months. Enough though idling sound you hear truckstop may not be the primary engine at all but a much smaller engine generator. Basically just big enough to provide heat. Ac `electricity Marilyn Ness track. I have much caught an F. R. Hater Ingrid's got an even smaller unit. Just for heat little motor polls fuel out of the Hank but it's quiet and it just blows warm air through to this plenty drivers want to avoid aisling and they're finding to do it some without burning fuel at all your next road trip. Keep an eye out for the trucks with solar panels on group. They're out there. Thanks for all the questions and answers we received for this one in a special shout to Ingrid for taking us through it. All Day out there and Thank you gentlemen. Nine special is a feature over the road from radio. Tokyo and overdrive magazine is produced by Ian Cost Myself. Todd dill's with support from Lacey Roberts Palmar Hofer and Jewish Shapiro. Thanks for the feedback. We got for this episode from the drivers whose voice you heard the top Taylor. Barker Cody blankenship Mike Mustang Crawford Jason Milk. Thanks for listening to over the road. Another Radio Topi show you might like is this is love from the creators of criminal. This is love is back with its fourth season the kind of stories we need right now. This season brings us a family. Drama of rival Wolf Packs a dog who guides his owner out of tragedy and a retired central park. Police Horse. Here take a listen. We're on the move. You see the movie twister with Helen. Hunt do think this is kind of like twister. Hi It's this is. Love is back and for our fourth season. We're going outside and the entire iceberg that we had just been inside of was cracking and breaking and dissolving into these huge chunks of ice. 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391- Over the Road
"This is ninety nine percent invisible. I'm ruined Mars. Nine happy is to give you the tools to deco the built world in cities in the country and the highways in between it's those highways and the truckers that drive the American economy that is the subject of the new radio. Topiary show called over the road. The podcast is a window into a world that you pass by at sixty five miles an hour without giving much thought but it is so fascinating you will never see semi truck the same way again. Every night beautiful marriages subscribe. It does appear. Here's the first episode of over. The road hosted by long-haul Paul. Four years ago I was northbound on. I seventy five and Knoxville Tennessee. My cargo a load of imported watermelons they had sailed on a container ship from Guatemala. To South Florida where they were transferred by forklift onto big trucks driven by folks like me. These were those tiny seedless designer types. They call personal watermelons. How always wondered about the marketing cat? Who came up with that one personal watermelons? It's like a watermelon. You can have as a friend. I was pulling a refrigerated trailer back. Then I refer as we call them a reverse a heavily insulated box trailer equipped with a giant diesel-powered temperature control unit. It's actually got the capacity to maintain more than forty thousand pounds of perishable freight at temperatures as cold as twenty below. It was rush hour in Knoxville or K. Town and trucker code traffic came to a screeching halt at the junction of I seventy five and I six forty. I got stopped time but the trucker behind me well not so much shoot rear ended. I took a minute to collect myself and walked to the back of the trailer to check I on the other driver. He said he was okay. Then I opened the vent hatch to check my load. What's seconds before had been perfectly picked personal? Watermelon was now pro lapsing through its ruptured rind down the crumple exterior of what had once been the trailer. Stainless steel door in on my trembling hand. Sorry Friend unbeknownst to me at the time this baptism and a puree of personal watermelon would come to being my own creative big bang. Strangely as a result of this event I would come to be a part time recording artist a contributor for overdrive magazine and now even a card carrying podcasts producing Radio Tobin. I'm long haul Paul. You're listening to over the road. I got the Lucy. You Lucia for your Komo truck it up baby on the top of this mountain and I know I still gotta get down the other side somehow and I'm so scared I'm shaking but I know quite a few drivers swear by roasting salmon over there engine. We were willing to take a pot bellied pig. We tried to even pick up a sixty pound tortoises. Ain't that anymore. What why should it be that? Here's how this is going to work. We've been traveling all over the country down the highways and the hedges collecting the real stories of real people who live and work over the road. We've got eight episodes for you and each one. We explore. How trucking his changing today. At along the way I'll tell you a few of my own stories. Heck I might even Shing-yuan few songs. Let's start out at a place called the Kentucky Expo Center and Louisville home to the mid America trucking show or mats for short think of a Home Depot about twelve times. Its normal size. Then fill it with trucks truck drivers and every possible thing. Anyone has ever thought of to make a buck off trucker networks. So what we're selling is bedbug eaters truckers that have cavs ninety thousand people with some concerts and swag. And you've got the mid America trucking show. You've got your air freshener dudes odor eliminator products for the highway professionals. Not Those guys. We say three sprays last for days. Tell me about this beef jerky you've got those old boys you make the beef jerky you'll ever eat. He'll that really tender. Actually both those guys to we are insurance company specialising owner operators or the international vendors hoping to land that pig contract. I shall cover solve our big truck. Makers are here like Ken. Works and Peter Babaar new five. Seventy Nine ultra loft in its black castle model truckmaker high proud to tell people. I can't afford a real one but I can hook you up with a real nice. But for many longtime gear jammers that signifies something more. It's a Hobo convention of sorts. A chance to see all trucking buddies and to swap stories. And that's why we're here if you want to know what's going on in the trucking world. This is a good place to start but first let's cover some basics. There are four point two million Americans who hold a CDL does a commercial driver's license a CDL allows us to drive a vehicle weighing over twenty six thousand pounds together. We move seventy percent of all domestic freight. Think of it everything you see at the store everything you buy online move spite truck at some point. Add it all up. We're talking about a seven hundred billion dollar industry moving literally fifty five billion pounds of stuff every day at that rate. American truckers could haul off the great pyramid of Giza Stone by stone about five times a day. Of course there are lots of different types of truckers and trucks out there refrigerated freight truck that caller reefer trust. You know like what I drive flatbed. We should call him. Skateboards US big flat trailers with loads of lumber and steel called of the bed. Boettger is a furniture holler tanker truck we call a tanker Ganger. I drive one of those sometimes to talk. How board accountable I mean. There's all kinds of terminology for as you can imagine. We have our own factions. Clegson hierarchies bettors usually associated with the river. Guys like me and the ball. Hollers could never see themselves as freight haulers part door. Swingers has called them. Because all a door swinger does backup to the darkened. Swing the doors open and shut our show. They say here for three days at least none of that matters. We're all just drivers and not a one of us. Came here to have a bad time. Volvo dynamic steering with stability assist is a new innovation from Volvo trucks. Allowed lot of the talk at Matt's this year there's about new technology when a truck starts to skin. It seems every part of the truck has got a computer in it. Now who's been concedes turned on even the seat notice. How much of the bouncing is evil eliminated by active suspension seats? Computer controlled motor. And there's a feeling the technology is not just changing the truck but a changing us and the way we do business that the codes and culture of trucking are eroding. Before is we've ever met are just real like I think it lasts bump into a facebook friend on the show floor aimed. Greg Murphy now works for Uber through a resume. And if you're never going to happen yes. The rideshare company Uber. And here I am now Greg. You have a unique story because you are a longtime truckdriver exactly. Yes become like the public relations liaison for Uber. Exactly kind of the interpreter. I would call it between The trucking community and Uber frayed crank is affable middle aged or the salt and pepper beard and a cool Fedora. More truckdriver than computer person. That's for sure all around him is a veritable failings of Uber's black-shirted millennials. But Greg speaks fluent trucker and so he pulls out his phone and shows me okay. Another middle aged guy and yet another FIDORA opens up. How do you see Uber Free App and it knows it? I'm in Louisville today so thinking about it and so it has these little cards for each load right so incentive connecting cars with riders frame as connecting Tux. With loads off to us. Greg if you would so this is from Walton Kentucky to Los Alamos California for three thousand seventy s the price for this load eighteen hundred miles. It has what type of trailer the load number and all that What it is the wait. Oh I have to do is tap. That card and the load is nine. No phone calls. No haggling technologies coming and it's We need to embrace it and and be part of the conversation. I have to wonder them at three thousand bucks on a state of distance of eighteen. Hundred Miles doesn't know. Haggle simply mean. Take it or leave it. You have no choice. I'm going to confess to you. There is a primal fear about the power of a company like this change overall is just difficult for people to embrace. It's unfamiliar. We don't know what it's going to look like that creates anxiety that said truckers are embracing new technology and using it for their own benefit. You've got quite a hat collection way back when I gave myself heatstroke by being stupid take Sandra Gucci. Basically you tell how the people were treated you if you're a professional if there was a bathroom that you could use because there's a lot of places that don't allow truckers to use the bathroom. She's told me about doc. Four one one. It's a reading at basically like for loading docks. You kinda helped the trucker after you or the person after you. They've surveyed over ten thousand truckers about their experiences. Sandra Harris talk for one. One number one reviewer if they have forklifts that use forklifts on her some of the other attributes Stephen that you can think of if there's overnight parking if you can sleep there overnight. Parking Sandra drives us a team with her husband. Stephen how you were treated professional. If I was to read the review that I put in for this one doc I would never take freight into the stock. We went in there the first time and we waited three hours to get unloaded which that's okay. Second time we went in there. We waited thirteen hours. No bathrooms no facilities and couldn't leave. The truck refuse like that are ending up and turned into a scorecard for every dock. They do business with DOC forewoman. It's one of those things that it's like it's never going to be complete because there's always going to be new docks but it's going to be a big relief taller structures but they're still another technology on truckers minds at. Matt's this year right now log something much more consequential than a new APP electronic log situations become a pretty big issue that's called an e county mandate has electric walking vice didn't need any log versus a log. I mean most of the time. That's the biggest thing. Iran this log issue is all playing out right now and a pretty much. The biggest change. That's come to our culture since I started trucking no bowl. Hundreds of big rigs took over highway ninety nine in protest today. Creating truckers have even put on protests about these guys ninety. Five southbound is shutdown. I'm one of those things that just keeps coming up in our conversations with drivers so on our first day at Matt's we find ourselves at the vintage Meru peterbilt someone who's been at the centre so much of the protest. Yes so My Name's Mike Landes from lititz Pennsylvania Amish Country Town Lancaster County I got into trucking right out of high school pretty much. I got my CDL. After I graduated first time I got behind the wheel. Driving School to local Vo Tech it was all downhill from. There are about how truckers record. They're driving and working hours. So yeah we have What the car hours of service which is Once you come on duty you're allowed fourteen hours of working time Eleven of that fourteen can be driving. But then you have to take ten hours off before you can go back to work so every day. Get fourteen hours on duty and you have to take ten hours off. Problem with that is is that once you start your day. Your clock for the day doesn't stop now in the past. Those hours were recorded and paper logbooks. Every driver kept a set of books in the cab recorded their time with a pen on a four line grid and made that log available to inspectors and state patrol. Basically iraq-related yourself so to me. That's important because I was taught the old way of trucking. You know you do what you gotTa do to get the job done. But you sleep when you're tired and you know you truck when you're awake if you took a quick nap and your shift or ran a little over the time limit you could juggle that cleric. I mean you. Don't turn into a Zombie. Just because you're five minutes past your time and fall asleep and drive offside road you could chuckle until the electronic logging device and basically what that does is it hooks into the computer on the motor of the truck and it records everything you do. You know how hard you're on a throttle how hard you're on a break and you're moving. Stop your speed the whole nine yards. It counts down every second of your day so whereas before on a paper logbook. If you're five minutes past your time pointing a truck stop. Nobody knew the difference. No harm no foul. But now I mean I've seen people backed halfway in a parking spot and truck stops already. Because if they finish backing up their yield these. Put them in violation. Go another fifty beaten back drubbing. Parking spot you hear stories like this all the time truck speech like Wales and the most God awful places because their drivers ran out of hours. You've probably seen those trucks yourself That's because in December twenty seventeen a new mandate came into effect requiring. Virtually all trucks on the road to run an electronic log and to me it's a slap in the face driving a truck at eighteen years old. I'm now thirty. Three closing in on two million miles. I have a clean driving record to me. All comes down to the way I was taught that comes down to the responsibility of knowing you're operating an eighty thousand pound machine and the fact that they're going to tell me that I need this thing in my truck to keep me safe on. The road doesn't sit well with me at all. I I hear you loud and clear we do. These texts Texas Florida triangles. A lot denise Stepmother is dying. She's in Louisiana Nursing Home and we want to see her. She's days away from dying literally days away from that and I'm on. Aol Deep. We stopped to see her and essentially. We've got to say goodbye to her in about forty five minutes because our fourteen our caucus taking and I just have this moment of complete clarity. That something's gotTa give and there's a lot of people that will say. Hey that's not true. They don't force you to drive tired. They don't force you to not take a shower. Yada Yada Yada well. I mean you're right. The thing doesn't reach up and grab me and tell me I need to keep trucking but the sad reality is is they kind of do now. I should say here that Mike does not run any lock. The reason my truck don't need one is because the cutoff date is two thousand and newer need them and ninety nine and older. Do not so. It's ninety nine. Peterbilt is just to all to connect to a computer. But Mike has done more than just. Avoid the new regulation. It's actually fighting it so we started United States Transportation Alliance and The unique thing about us is that all of us are drivers that met through doing protests. Type stuff You know for the industry and Nobody out here. That is making these rules. Regulations or pushing for rules or regulations have ever sat behind the wheel for any amount of time and definitely not anytime recently. So you know when we go to DC and we go every month right now we park our trucks we meet with congressmen and senators and FMCSA. That's the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration. Truckload carriers met with the so. It's been it's been a pretty good thing. And we were fortunate enough to help with the our service center supposed to be changed. I'm actually expecting an announcement here at Matt's for that. In fact the keynote speaker for the weekend is none other than Elaine Chao. The United States Secretary of Transportation So we're hoping that it has to do something with that. Realize things change with the times and technology goes mattiello thing but truck and still trucking and I chose me personally. I chose to drive a truck because I grew up around trucks and I love trucks and for me you know it sounds kind of Corny but the other. We got invited to a concert by someone that we know backstage and stuff afterwards. You're hanging out and watching this guy up on stage. You could tell he was just in his zone and I said the best way I could describe watching you on stage like me riding across the California Arizona Desert with a truck pressed out in the Moonlit night chicken lights on Pike Singing and dry cruising and some people are like. I don't get it. You're just driving a truck down the road and I'm like yeah but to me it's more than just driving a truck down the road you know. It's the freedom of it and that's kind of being taken away. What the bad part is they help. If we don't do anything to help fight stuff guys like me are going to be gone soon after the break here that big announcement from Elaine Chao but I venture out onto the parking lot at Matt's we'll hear why this log thing is such a big deal and I'll tell you what gave me and how. Ld's lead at least indirectly to the making of this podcast You're listening to over the road on ninety nine percent of his bowl here again is over the road. Hey folks todd dills here. I'm the senior editor with overdrive magazine. Which is helping to produce this podcast for those of you are new. This trucking world overdrive basically a trade publication for independent truckers ones. Who owned the rigs a whole with for many years? We've called ourselves the voice of the American trucker in so part of what we wanted to do with this podcast to actually build a little bridge between highway. Haulers who read overdrive. And well the uninitiated among you. So I'm going to be hosting special series of mini episodes or I'll take questions from those of you outside the business and put them directly to our trucking listeners. We're calling the Channel One nine special after the CB radio channel used for trucker to trucker information sharing the first channel. One nine episode will show up in your feed next week. But I'm dropping in now to ask a quick favor if you've got questions about trucking seriously about anything at all having to do with no question is too simple or too strange. Give us a call at seven. Six five two four five four eight four four and leave us a message again. Seven six five two four five four eight four four. Be Sure to state your name and location with your question and thanks okay so back to the mid America trucking show. I WanNa pick things up the next morning. Outside in the parking lot or drivers are busy polishing their trucks. I love truck and it's a lifestyle. It's not a job lifestyle. They're actually two parking lots of Chuck's at Manse each with its own vibe. There's this show lot and Papa. John's lot we'll explain why it's called that in a minute but the show lot is home. The Paul Key Young Truck Beauty Championship. And that's where we start our day. My Name's Deborah Jones. I'm working on excessive behavior number one Eric. Turner neighbor my truck. Is Showtime Lose Fresher? Down here for your term. You check out my scrapbook trigger valve. This is a place where trucks have names. The ghost is a nineteen ninety six freightliner classic exile part of the family. It goes says my big daryl. Phyllis is my little nervous tuned. Those little amber bulb we call chicken lights very rival chicken lights and they won't Crown White carpeting wood floors. It's actually just a wooden Florida. You get from Home Depot really for the competition itself. Trucks are organized into different sections marked off with plastic ropes. There are categories like antique custom limited. Mileage bobtail working class bobtail working Combo. Meaning I put miles on my trip. My favorite the antique original. I cut my teeth on one of these trucks. Trans Star International. There's nothing like the. Am radio reception on. All Steel made old school western style. Own there are teams working entire year to PREPA truck for this show up soon guys Polish on a day and a half and they're still rubbing now breathe it fleet it. If you believe as I do that a truck can be a work of art and this is the Guggenheim. There's a lot of history. There are a lot of our lives has been spent in it under it over and everything squirrel jury. We've done this job. How much would you have to have this charge two hundred green? What sort of installment plan would you consider? We couldn't do that. Thank you sir. Yes Sir as we leave the show lot. I know that two hundred Grand Peterbilt will never be mind. Let's face it. I'm more of a papa. John's type this lot serves a University of Louisville Football Stadium formerly known as Papa John's Stadium. The university dropped that name after the pizza. Magnate found himself in hot water but for truckers the shorthand stuck in any case picture a stadium parking lot with rows upon rows of tractor trailers. Only thing is these aren't show trucks. These are just the trucks. People drove here to attend the one with the shoestrings on the stone on what the statute of limitations. They're all out here now with our camping. Chairs gas grills coolers walking their dogs in the Kentucky Spring Air. It's maybe the biggest tailgate in all trucking big enough but you can actually lose your truck in it at the show lot. I didn't see a single person I knew but down here. In steerage it's different. I'm digging back new chrome bumper. Tell you what happened. The last one wasn't the deer. Now remember that. What's his name. Be in the back of my head later that night. There's even an impromptu concert. Let's get back to it now and guess who gets invited to say flat out there any flatbeds okay. Great Yeah and the end. Another side Gig. I'm a singer Songwriter. Got A friend. He felt deeply in love with a female flat better but when she learned that he pulled a reefer. She rejected him because he didn't know how you know the chains and the binder and it's called. I'll never run that back door anymore. She laid down and drought me on NASCAR more teen and put it in. Says you couldn't live with the guilt. What we done in that Peterbilt and never back. Nobody conscience like this or a reenactment of a bygone age drivers would be laid over at some truckstop. Someone would bring out a grill. Someone would contribute a case of beer. Someone might commandeer a chicken or two off their load someone. I just have a guitar swinger. Maybe that's why this log thing is such a big deal because there just doesn't seem to be time for those encounters anymore and maybe that's why I still come back here to hear the stories. The stories had seduced me into this live so long ago. I started grabbing in eighty-eight hall now to Mississippi Furniture that same night. Luton to guiding. Tim Ed they will tell you right. Quit life if you cannot turn five thousand miles a week. We don't need you. We've got a stack applications over here this thing we can replace you. Tamar and of course did you know you know our take a great job of good creighton. Nope and I would do allied ever three or four hundred miles for some there really. Was this dark side to the old days. I mean taking whatever drugs you could take to stay away. Stories like this of trucking's wilder days really. Aren't that hard to come by around here. We were stopped exit thirty in Tennessee. Eight hundred two hundred ever Jay for some reason it now which is aches fever. I think we've been herded onto the digital reservation of the law is like we have to tell these stories. I remember one time. I went all the way to Boston out trying to get through traffic trying to get back Massachusetts state. Police pulls me over. He passbook pockets. I had a cargo pads. The bottle was down at the bottom of it. He missed it. I could have got years in the penitentiary. Then so I I go down to the rest of the Rhode Island and I celebrate not do B. Two lines. It's not just to get back but the it was it to get high. It was due a job. It was for for your work. It was a recreational is turn it miles turning bird off of that stuff. There's three ways you get off a crane meth jail the grave Jesus How's it ever Rela and I'd been up two or three days and I pray you know. Help me. And he spoke to me. He said it's up to you is through the grace of God that I got off of it. So you're now you're off the crank. Yes he's prayed. God's intervene what do you tell your boss at needs? Five thousand miles a week from you told. I can't do it. I work for myself. How OPERATOR DOWN? Thank God he delivered me from that aspect too now. I worked when I won't they gotta be delivered. I got my I E L D back in Twenty. Sixteen a few months after that watermelon wreck. I told you about a Knoxville the fleet I worked for announce that we would roll out an e log pilot program. Guinea pigs were needed. Something about Knoxville. Jarred me more than it should have for years. I had pushed myself to the limit as a produce Holler and had never been bothered by the what ifs but after Knoxville. It just seemed like my nine lives. Were at that time. The log felt like kind of a way out of all that. So I let Brenda our safety officer. No I would give it a try. That's right folks. I volunteered when the day came. They trained me on how to operate the dog. Which recorded the trucks data straight onto a basic samsung tablet. The company told me not to go crazy on net flicks and off. I went to Thomas now carting around this brand new tablet. I started recording some of my songs and posting them. On Youtube Dream Some Ikea's I also began writing about my experience of being an old trucker who had to make the log switch. I mostly did this as a Cathartic exercise but on a whim. I sent some of these ramblings to an editor at overdrive magazine named Todd. Dell's you heard from todd earlier. Todd wound up giving the shot on this blog. Now on this podcast. So at the risk of being shunned by all my friends I have to say in a way I all this to eat. Locks limit to sin is ruling Downer. Watch good been with shoebox songs just pushing that tents sleeping but enough about me. He took all weekend. Drivers are waiting for that big update that Mike was telling us about on the new rules for e logs. What we call hours of service. Yeah we've had a few people sign up to be members and stuff so far while we've been gladys even has a booth set up on the showroom floor of Matt dropped a couple thousand dollars out of my own company to build the booth and we'd trucked here in this whole crew here dressed in their matching black shirts you know. Get the word out there and show people who are what we're doing and what better place to do it where thousands of truck drivers at one spot. It's been a year now since E. L. D. mandate went into effect. And we're all feeling it in one way or the other so he's sit through long seminars by government administrators but no news then on our last day at Matt's Transportation Secretary. Elaine Chao gets up to give us the keynote address if the DOT has something to say this would be the time but right away the power goes out would eventually comes back. Why laughing but she gets to what we're all waiting to hear so me and the Department of board the nest at which is remaining service so I can't deal hard stance still nothing no news. Sirius just then alarm. Sounds trying to tell us. Tell you this instead. The speech turns to the usual platitudes mates. Were I'm so tired of that line? Read two here on our Blah Blah Blah Eric. Without really saying much of anything at all. Elaine Chao beds us all farewell. Mid America trucking show closed the next day. Trucks drove out in formation while the PAPA. John's lot gradually disbanded. Matt's was done but we're just getting started. We're going to keep following this L. D. issue across the series. We'll hear how Mike Landes brought his fight to the streets of Washington D. C. and found unlikely allies in the process for some context. We'll go deep into the history of trucking with one of my favorite writers. We'll hang out at truck stops and meet the families of truckers to understand how this business affects the people around us and we'll pair onto a future where trucks may just drive themselves. But I were going to Grand Island Nebraska to find out why anyone would want to drive a truck in the first place. I was intrigued and so I called her up and I said No. Now come again about this truck driving. What did you say thanks to? Everyone entrusted us with their stories. We'll catch you again over the road. Momma said John You know you can become whatever you want to be so by Grace Brown for her to see became the sea in nineteen years old. I was wrestling bowling alley. Call me one day. Now it's down on the blood flow takes everything in its way and when takes a lot of people make a podcast? I'm going to tell you about all of them over. The road pit crew includes producer and sound designer Ian Costs and contributing producer. Lacy Roberts Transmitter. Media are editor overdrive. Magazines Todd Dill's our digital producer is Erin Wade. Our project manager is Audrey Markevic and our executive producer for radio. Topa Julie Shapiro. I'm long-haul Paul. All the music on the show is by an cost myself featuring performances by travis. The snake man Womack Terry to SOx Richardson the late. Great Roger Clark Jan Gullit Jim Whitehead and Andrew Marshall Additional Engineering by Donna Golic and Muscle Shoals Alabama special thanks to these drivers in vendors. Whose voices you heard throughout Jd. Howard of the Ohio. Great Lakes Regions atlanta-based Small Fleet owner operator. Eric Turner Daniel and Philip's snow of the goose freightliner classic Chad Baba from Kentucky Horse Country Robert Poem Reader Truckers Final Mile Dot Org Christopher Brunette Burnett farm toys and Debbie Dingle Dessert they also heard from Devry Jones. Jason Really Wind James Range. Bobby Davis fellow singing truckers. Brad James Taylor bar and that Jake break chunky himself. 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Why We Drive
"When you picture a truck driver what comes to mind booted bearded bubba with one of those camps at says Peterbilt or my personal favorite. Those Pearl snap plaid shirted prodigies. Who were big Reagan before they could even shea been around my whole life? Third Generation of truckers. Well yes some people were pretty much born to truck born into it third generation. My grandfather and my brother brother-in-law everybody but these days about as many types of folks drive trucks as drive cars. You got your burn out retailers and I had one of those days everybody in retail has or you WanNa put somebody eater through the glass countertop or through a plate glass window your adventurers. We just went on vacation and said it would be nice if we could do this all the time. We got your cultural immigrants navigating their way to a new career after life. Changing events got diagnosed with colon cancer. Why was in the hospital that I said? Let's go ahead and build a truck and that's where we went from there. Then of course there are the actual emigrants like my old friend. Debbie and I said I can't even drive on the correct side of the road you know but I'm not scared at trucks. These days truckers come from every corner of the world. I see job is going down and then I always see be traffic shaw from every phase and background and they're going to be a truck driver but I will. At the time I will single. I don't have no kids so so you know what the heck why not. I'm long-haul Paul and Today on the show who drives and y from NPR XS. Radio Topa and overdrive magazine. This is over the road you now. There's nothing worse than somebody that walks up to you and tells you their whole life story five minutes after you meet him but look since you're here. I should probably tell you how I got into this business. I was fourteen. I began begging my dad for a summer job. He was the CEO of a big meat packing outfit. They had a fleet of about fifty trucks that summer he finally gave in and put me on as gas jockey. My job was to Gas Walsh and park the company trucks. One day. I asked one of his drivers. Thank you went by read. What's it like to just drive down the road and one of them big old trucks? He goes come on. I'll show you so we actually did. The law red wave to the guard shack and lit up a camel transmission. He ad in there was like nothing I'd ever seen before. Every shift was accompanied by a Wash. Avair a clicking of gears all finding their place. There was a sorcery to it. All men old red riding high in that tobacco and sweat cured cab. You must have been seven eight nine feet above the ground wash. Clutter the raw got back and I thanked read. Don't worry about it was all he said but when I was nineteen my dad and I had a falling out on the old meet plan had gone out of business and almost overnight. Our whole family was just kind of lost. My mom wound up in the psych ward in our local hospital for awhile me. I wound up without a place to stay my friend. Hanks mom let me sleep on an air mattress on the floor of their house. Hank had four beautiful sisters and I fell in love with a third denise. She was four years my senior strikingly beautiful completely out of my league. But I had one thing going for me. It was nineteen seventy nine and that girl is all about Jackson. Browne would sit down at our turntable for hours. And dissect every word of song after song best but it was Jackson. Browne's running on empty recorded entirely on the road and buses hotel rooms and on stage at completely owned me. There's a song called shaky town. I would sing it to denise. That's a big ten four from your back door. Just put the hammer down. Blame all this truck driving things squarely on you. Ge- Action Brown and Denise. We've been married thirty eight years now. Bless her heart so my dad had been a CEO. Had One brother who was Valedictorian of his law. School and other brothers spoke twelve languages by the time he graduated college me. I dropped out of college and wound up in truck driving school when I had completed the course. I called my dad. It was the first time we talked in a really long time. I told him I had graduated from such and such a diesel academy and there was this long pause he said well you can either make it a job or profession and it was good advice. The helmet covered the traveling public auburn. All that was a long time ago. Now I'm heading back to the shadow of yet. Another meat packing plant as all Jackson. Browne himself wrote going back to where my beginnings have gone this time. I'm not going alone. I'm raising my hand. Look to your right at Omaha Nebraska. I mean our producer. Lacy Jane Roberts in person for the first time I was at the other Omaha steaks to meet you to meet you too. It feels like we've already many other. Yes it does feel that way. Did you see them? We sent out together. Across what truckers called the meat patch a patchwork of massive feedlots and packing houses which extends from Iowa to Colorado from that Kotas to Texas? We're hoping someone out here can help us understand the mysterious allure of driving a truck. It's appropriate that. Listen I are taking this trip together you see Lacey's not only a producer. She's also the Montana born daughter and granddaughter of cattle haulers. Anytime you want gain credibility within trucking subculture. I'm from Montana. My Dad was a bull home. My Dad was then they will salute you. My Dad and my GRANDPA were bomb. Somehow I don't think she realizes just how cool that is. Because they're the bad asses trucking this stop and consider what you have to be a cattle harm. You gotta get in. A pen was an animal that can weigh up to twenty five hundred pounds. Has the power to trample you to death. And you've got to convince that animal to go up shoot and go on a trailer. Anybody embodies the myth of what what a cowboy trucker is super bowl. I still pretty weird. To think of. My Dad is bad ass really. It's like someone telling you that the man that you've known all your life is something different than he thought he was. I have to say talking to. Lacey reminds me a bit of my own daughter. I bought a western STAR BRAND NEW TO I. Four nine hundred ninety seven and had two beds and double bunks sleeper was gorgeous truck. I'm bought that truck for one reason. I I want my kids to see what I did for a living because I knew the way I was running the way I was coming home and all they would really see or scraps that were left and all of them member go left. I'm sorry all of them reached the conclusion. Yeah I think I'm GonNa get a college degree to this. Which is I'm glad they reset conclusion. I I don't know I would. I'd have mixed feelings of one of them. Followed me into trucking. I I really would. We're here to meet someone who is just getting into trucking and find out why just as soon as we can get some good old fashioned midwestern comfort food in our bellies loop around the back of the building. I WANNA come in from the trucks is so they don't think we're a couple four wheelers. With a four wheeler four wheeler reference to Harvard. It becomes like protractive four wheeler well. We just happened before we lose today. But we gotta trucker hats so the only way out of that. Just tell people. I'm in my personal vehicle. The truckers entrance and find a booth but somewhere in the middle of my chicken fried steak. We met a guy at the shoemaker's truckstop and Lincoln and you recognize Paul from across the restaurant and he walked up he said. Are You Paul? The man in his thirties walks up to our table. Cattle hauler named Jared Sydow. Because Damn you got some good tunes or something like that. This is literally only happened to me like one other time since I started making these little folk albums five years ago and now he's GonNa be our friend and we're going to interview tomorrow. Jared tells us to come by his shop. The next day it's one of these chance meetings that becomes its own story and the first we have an appointment to make island express Grand Island Nebraska Grand Island Express as a medium size trucking company with a fleet of about one hundred and fifty trucks and about twice that number of reefer trailers. Looks like a packing house. Meat Packing House crowded strange. A large meat packing concern. So no surprise they Whole lot of meat. We're here to talk to newby someone. You just wouldn't expect an attractor trailer out here in the middle of the Meat Patch. You estimate you. Thanks for coming God. High Bell is a true cultural immigrant. She's a former social worker. A real estate agent just started driving last year. She's driving brand spanking new freightliner in cobalt blue. This is my new truck. We've Randall and express it. I'M GONNA Put Lady K on the door. They've already stenciled it out for its sleek aerodynamic with all the bells and whistles said do you know how to get in of course you. The time that I spent the most time in trucks was when I was like before I was in school so I have a lot of memories of being trapped in my head. It's a lot bigger but I didn't grow up around trucks. I had an uncle. His name was Pete. And I remember he wrote in Indianapolis Peop- Peterbilt and I was like. How did you get a truck with your name on it? And so but I didn't grow up around trucks and I know how I wound up out here but what would make a decent normal person like. Can you ever want to do this? Well she tells us your story. Well I wanted to be a cashier because I like but my mom going to be a cashier. And she said Kyle by the time you grow up. They need you to be all computers. This is the seventies so then I also wanted to be rich and so I thought the way to do that was corporate America so I went to business school. So trump has known rayner options are always important for me and I grew up having options. My mother would say okay. You lost the dishes. You WanNA clean the bathroom. Who does that but she gave us option. So I'm sitting on these jobs and I'm sitting there thinking. There's gotta be more to life than this. Can you took a class in graphic design? Then one in computer networking. She got a master's in marriage and family therapy and then a real estate license still trucking was the farthest thing from her mind so I was at a family reunion in two thousand sixteen and my husband's cousin was he was driving and he was like saying. You know what? There's a lot of ladies out here. I'm seeing and they're really getting it done and so I was intrigued because it was a fleeting thought. At some point you'd say it's like that looks like something that I might be able to do. It's outside the box. It's not falling the crowd but then it just seemed to be so much. Overwhelming without knowing thing about is like it's probably a man's world and so I- tabled that in the back of my mind and then once I met a lady later that year two thousand sixteen and we were talking about real estate and then I asked her what she did and she said why. I am a truck driver. Who was she looked like me? She was a black lady. She's about my age and so she sees a picture the truck and she's like it's not the impossible dream. Yeah you gotTA learn how to back up and you gotta go to school. But she's like the schools three weeks. They'll work with you. It's fine so that stayed in my mind to about December two thousand sixteen and I called her up and I said no. No come again about the truck driving. What did you say Getting through school was the hardest part of this process. It wasn't being harassed by other truckers. Or you know adjusting to the lifestyle. The hardest hurdle was getting out of school. Because I truly don't think that they thought that I would make it because I don't look like which you think a truck or with look struggled with just the timing of the double clutching. I knew how to drive a stick shift. Most of my car has had been but the double clutching is about timing. And they don't let you float gears in school. You have to do by book and so the timing was off uncertain years in thought went. You're just you're just ninety. You just not up to par. You're not getting it. And I had to advocate and say you don't know me. This is one chapter of my life that you're coming in on but I've been with me my whole life and I know that this is not insurmountable so if you give me a little more time I'm GonNa get this and so they ended up giving me more time and then I came in and finished. I am totally making it. My mission to build the number of female drivers that are in the industry so one of the other people. We talked to Grand Island. Is Kyle Huizen draper recruiter at Grand Island Express and when we meet in the lobby? Kyle is wearing this shirt that says the future is female. I am tonight. You Grand Island the BRASSICA. That's statement. I have to admit though like I just moved to the area from Omaha like a couple of months ago and I was like you know what? There's no better time for me to really bust out to them and So many people that are like. Oh my God. I love your shirt when I started. Driving in the seventies female truckers were a rare sight. That's changed somewhat. You know this is still a very male dominated industry. Only eight percent of drivers are women and just from my background. I actually was recruiter at an all women's college prior to this so for me you know I said well. This is a huge area that we're not really tapping into or we could basically you know own this because as a company we actually have ten percent of our drivers that are female. I should say this push for female. Drivers is not just about a feel good to virtually thing. You may have noticed out on the road that a lot of trucks have. We're hiring signs on them. That's because there's a lot of turnover in the industry and trucking companies are always trying to find new people. I mean the studies out there. That women are coming into the workforce and they're looking for jobs that aren't traditional and I don't think the women in the industry are GonNa Bounce through jobs the same as some of the men. Do THEY WANNA find a place that they can come on and they can stay and they can. Actually you know. Call that their home. So the fact that there's over two hundred thousand ladies out here and you see more and more is very encouraging. Here's our friend can yet again. Especially when you see someone blitz say like myself who just looks like a regular person and so I could still have you know my boots would low heels and you know these cute little jeans and how some earrings on and some jewelry. I could bring my identity to trucking and not let trucking shaped my identity and I think it's important to keep moving forward and not be afraid to dream. Big Part of that dream is ownership owning her own truck and being aroma boss road independence fast and it just happens that the day we visit she starting class on how to become what we call it on our operator and you can make more money as on operator. But there's also more cost more responsibility and a lot more risk fluctuate. That's when the class go over in detail what you expect to pay. Just taken the the cost of tires in averaging it out monthly new tires for a tractor trailer alone can run up towards seven thousand dollars. Let's say conservatively up. One hundred and their fuel maintenance ears health insurance truck insurance all of that adds up of course so the class turns to how much money they should set aside for every mile they drive now. I've I've heard you know at a minimum of ten cents a mile for some reason. They turned to me for advice. Think Oh you do not want to do that. I I am not an expert drugs. Nineteen seventy nine. I don't let these grey hairs make you think I'm wise. The class wraps up for lunch and for Kenya. Sky Is still the limit in trucking. I need to make so it's not like oh I'm just gonNA drive my goodness and by the way you happen to pay me to driving this truck. No I'm fifty. You GotTa make time you know work for me because you know it's later than it's ever been on. The Sun is going down. My former pastor said what makes other's caves seems to only energize her so I realized in this industry if you WanNa make more money And have some more freedom than you need to have your truck and this is a wonderful timing for you because this is the actual anniversary may seventeen two thousand eighteen. We're actually got in the truck to drive for the first time ever. Yes a year ago this same date that I went out with my trainer so one year later. I'm having this conversation about. How can maybe get my truck but with the freedom of ownership often comes a price. After the break we meet up with jared the bowl haller we met at the truckstop jared's path and a trucking was completely different from Kenya and now eight years into his career as an owner operator. He has a lot to say about it sometimes. Overnight grass is green on the other side offense at the septic tank Lincoln. That night we go to visit. Jared setlow beer. You like a beer. I love him. Yeah we meet in. His shop re parks and works on his truck. Jared is the polar opposite of Kenya for one thing. He was born into this long as I can remember your grandma's home and I just wanted to go sit in his truck didn't have to be doing anything. Just just wanted to be in a truck. Finally let me drive. You know grandma a bunch a milk cartons and when I come back through those He'd let me learn the the forward gears. Jared was thirteen the first time he drove his GRANDPA's rig taken a trailer out to Denver. Grandpa was napping in the back and told jared awaken up before they got to the waystation. Us trying to wake him up before Morgan throwing shoes at him. Try to wake him up. He wouldn't wake up and taking truck across the skill at thirteen years old for you. You had for tracks forever. Jared wasn't always an owner operator before I worked for COD freight and fuel for Boston's over real benefits. He he had a good salary dependable work. 401k all that jazz as miserable. You know there's this. He had a good ten years of living. The trucking straight life working for a by the book company kind of like Grand Island Express back in those days. He even wore a uniform one day though he just had enough of being working stiff cashed it all in left the straight life and bought his own truck you check that out is a good looking trump. Thank him today. He hauls in this beautiful Red Peterbilt with big white stripes across the cab when the door jams are all polished up. Are you subject? He longs not anymore not not on the livestock. I didn't think so since he's holding live. Cattle Jared doesn't have to use an electronic logging device like the rest of US babysitting ninety cattle. You don't mean you gotTa do it. It takes to get them back and makes they're alive when I get there in good shape for a guy like jared who's freight lives and breeze. The herd has to come first. It comes before his own and comfort. Oh so you were hall and other stuff. Yeah we used to do. Betting and logs came into effect. And everybody's like well I don't do this no more. The Bowl haulers are like symbols of independence in the trucking world. Especially now that most other truckers are required to run he logs. I guess if my name's on the truck I'm not gonNA run. We've done some pretty pretty well stuff on Holstein's out Ohio to California truck when you get there. Okay I admit it. I kind of envy jared free of the e log ankle bracelet high step in tricked out. Pete. But there's another side to this bowlers. Live that beautiful. Red Peterbilt doesn't just pay for it so it's tough. You know my kids play baseball and a little girl that got to go. That's the hardest part. I miss my kids. You're out on the road. You're doing whatever you can do the job and then you get home and you're just a waste space almost and then yeah and everybody's pissed some storms like it's hard. I don't know it's not always cracked up to be so I keep doing the same reason people keep driving trucks gets in your blood. You hate it when you're doing it. You Miss it when you don't who really wants to work this hard. It's crazy somehow. Talking to charity reminds me a bit of myself back when I bought that brand new Western Star on July Fourth Nineteen Ninety seven. I told myself it was my own independence day when it was all said and done though. I didn't drive that truck at truck drove me seventeen hundred forty dollars a month. That was my truck payment but boy could that Canary Yellow beauty run. Those were my heart. Trucking ears paying the cost of being the boss doing whatever it took to support my family. I want you to picture shiny new truck. That cost me. Eighty seven thousand dollars and it's parked in front of a nanny. Pity rundowns thirty three thousand dollar farmhouse but you had to look fast. 'cause he only saw me there three or four days a month. Are you ever going to stop being a tracker well as of now founded on Road Miles? Have you done around two mil? How old are you thirty? Seven is pretty good. Start scares me a little bit. Honestly though does not have a twin with that big ones. GonNa Common Folks got. It doesn't come. He's talking about getting in Iraq. The Big One every time he leaves this. Oh yeah hug your loved ones. It's a real deal. There's no joke that's serious job. You know You know maybe everyone has this ambivalence about their jobs. I mean I would think that. A guy like jared wouldn't have all these mixed feelings about being a cattle all our. He's got one of the coolest trucks on the road and yet he feels. Maybe it's an addiction. Maybe it's something you can't stop doing. You don't know why you know like I said at the top truckers come from all kinds of backgrounds. Do this work for all kinds of reasons for charity event. Meeting the expectations of family tradition. For me it was a disregard of all my family's expectations for Kenya. Though it was a carefully thought out career transition a second act. If you will. I don't know what makes people want to drive. Trucks driven one. Now since nineteen seventy nine but there is something here about freedom. I can't quite explain so in our next episode. We're going into the history of this idea. Why do some truckers drive for companies with four one KS? While some are out on their own why is popular culture? Always seemed to celebrate. Tucker's as renegades cowboys we're talking with author Fin Murphy about how this notion of the outlawed trucker got started what he calls the myth of the last cowboy. I'm completely ambivalent about the myth. I mean I can excoriate it on the one hand but then I'm also bound up. But before we go to lay she and I have to see off a friend. I am going to deliver a load of meat to North Baltimore Ohio miles away. About eight hundred fifty miles. It technically delivers at five thirty. Am on Monday. But it's a drop in Hook so whenever I get there anytime before then I can drop it off drive thing. I hope yes I will. The angels are with me and I I expect to get there safely all right all right. Well the fine of. I'm so glad we have this time together. I'm so glad we had this friendly smile. I always got a song or hug. You third time. Yeah what a blessing people believe it or not well right away. Thanks to everyone who entrusted us with their stories. We'll catch you next time over the road. Goven LUGGAGE JACKSON JUNE WEST MEMBERS. Champagne was on thirty with traction. She have raided the fan home straight from the farm Jason Gutters and the coca from hundred sale. Bon feeders went west round. The champion turned foul mouth. Got Crazy town are over. The rope pit crew includes two nights' showman tasked with dragging me screaming and kicking into excellence producer sound designer in costs and contributing producer. Lacy Robertson Transmitter. Media are editor from overdrive magazine. Todd Dell's our digital producer. Is Erin Wade? Our project manager is Audrey mortgage and our executive producer for radio. Tovia Julie Shapiro. I'm long-haul Paul. All the music on the show is by Ian Costs and myself featuring performances by travis. The Snake Man Walk Terry to SOx Richardson the lake. Great Roger Clark Chen Gullit Jim Whitehead and Mr Andrew Marshall Additional engineering by Donegal unbound in Muscle Shoals Alabama special. Thanks this week to real women and trucking's specifically disarray would who introduced us to Kenya. Thanks also to the drivers you heard at the top of the show. Captain Tom Kirk Sandra go. She Debbie Desert Arado. Tommy and Linda Bryant Carlos Rodriguez and my main man who was kind enough to let me interview him outside. A Warehouse Detroit over. The rose is a collaboration between overdrive magazine. Npr XS Radio Topi a collection of the best independent podcasts around. I've turned a lot of overnight. Reefer loads listening to shows like the illusionist and criminal. Seriously find out more about the whole network at radio. Toby Dot F. M. Crew overdrive magazine at overdrive online dot com or you can read. Todd's Channel Nineteen blog here the overdrive radio podcast explore news business and lifestyle reporting about trucking. You can find over the road online and over the road dot. Fm BE SURE to follow us on all the usual platforms to facebook twitter and Instagram at over the road pod. Aw can see some of my videos on Youtube. By looking for long-haul Paul Music over. The road is made possible by support from folks. I of forked for for a really long time. Muller trucking now celebrating over thirty years of safe and reliable transportation for the food industry for more information check out molar trucking dot com. Before we go we want to hear your questions about trucks truckers and trucking. 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The Road Ahead
"I'm Debbie Desert ARADO owner of walkabout transport. And I'm just getting give you a quick heads out that there's a bit of Strom language in this one just a little bit this past year. The Great American trucking show in Dallas there convene a curious discussion panel legal. The square-jawed veteran thirty-three year veteran of the trucking industry the lanky computer programmer. I'm only a three year veteran of tracking the mild mannered moderator faced with a delicate task. I well we certainly appreciate all of you guys joining us today for this discussion on driverless trucks and the role. That drivers will play when they're driverless trucks. I gotTA hand it to these people. I mean it really takes some gusts to show up in Dallas at convention center filled with hundreds of truck drivers and talk about the future of driverless trucks. The self driving cars the self driving all the software can't control the breaking technology today when you watch a tragedy unfold. There's a little part of you that wants to think this is actually going to happen. Is Maybe Romeo and Juliet won't commit suicide this time. Maybe the titanic won't hit that iceberg. Maybe John Denver won't cord that experimental plane and that's the way this technology looks to me now. I can encroaching reality that none of us are quite ready to face. The seems like every few months. There's another splashy video from one of the scads of companies. Making a play in this game is plus a I has completed. The industry's first ever all declaring an end to trucking as we know it he's the future waiting for us but I have to give these brave panelists in Dallas some credit. They came prepared with their best possible. Pitch for an audience of truckers. This is insane. People are being you know asked to be out on the road away from their families. We've got to find a way to provide a driver job where we can take them out of the cab of the truck. We're not going to take your jobs away. We're going to make your jobs better. Let you guys thank you guys. Thank you Erie. Our folks at the end of the run and this final episode. We're looking out at the road ahead. What will self driving trucks mean for truckers not just for our livelihoods before way of life? I honestly believe that our technology is our own worst enemy right now and these autonomous trucks. If they're anything like my. Gps forget about it. Plus we'll take the opportunity to check back with a few of the drivers. We've talked to along the way to see what the future holds for them high around this so the initial reaction was a little bit shy. I'm long-haul Paul from Pr. Xs Radio Topiary and overdrive magazine. This is over the road Hey folks won't take a quick second to let you know about an event we've got coming up a virtual event that is on Tuesday. June ninth at four thirty. Pm Eastern Time. You can join me in the rest of the over. The road pit crew online for an hour of listening conversation music and we'll take it. I'm sorry about that chicken in the background. No no I like the chicken. Keep the chicken and we'll take any questions you've got for us to about the podcast about long haul trucking. Whatever you're curious about the event is called. Listen in with Radio Topa it's free and it's hosted by none other than our lustrous executive producer Julie Shapiro. Come join the whole team behind over the road on June nine at four thirty. Pm Eastern Time. You can find more at Radio Toby. Dot FM slash lesson in all right back to the show. We're talking today about what my job could look like down the road so what I'd like to do for starters as tell you exactly what my job looks like today? Collins? Here's this load is ready. I'm going to tell you how I got. Dallas me. My wife Denise and a load of yogurt out of Western Ohio and no. I'm not going to spare you any of the gritty details. What we're sitting out on here is actually the first leg of an Ohio. Texas Florida Triangle. Used to run this lane as much as I could. But these days I'm mostly doing short-haul milk Ron's meaning. I'm never more than a day's drive from home. So this trip to Dallas feels like almost a mental retreat chance to clear the carbon out of my head. That is just as soon as the load is ready. Still don't know to Texas. Wow this could get interesting. Maybe I should race during my guitar. This is maybe my greatest strength as a truck driver. Long delays really. Don't bother me that much. Okay I mean I have my Qatar. My books and at least a thousand youtube grab holes. I can crawl on us. Okay thank you. I used to wait two days sometimes on a load of produce and occupy myself just fine in this case it's only one day but dispatched gives me an option. Yes Sir you WANNA pounce on that load at midnight or wait until the next morning well well a younger. Paul would have slammed a few mountain dews and gone to work would you? Would you care if I just left out early early tomorrow? Would that be okay? But I have to be a solar powered chucker and wait for daylight. That's a derisive term by the way you're just a solar power trucker. I used to sling it at my wealth slept peers right up until I became one. Anyway I get to the plan at about eighty M Abbas to shipping too slow. What we call drop in. Hook meaning. I simply show up with an empty trailer. Leave that one and then go find my loaded trailer once about twenty years ago when I was a hard running owner operator I actually hooked onto the wrong trailer at a drop yard like this and pulled it all the way from North Carolina Boston so I always double check the trailer number then. I take a flashlight underneath to visually inspect the latching mechanism and kingpin. Check my tires and lights do a quick tug test to make sure the trailer secure then off? We go into denise and I are hoping to get as far as Richland Missouri to a mom and pop truckstop that we really like but after about six hours to states fuel is running low. We stop just shy of the Missouri border and East Saint Louis. I might be showing some bias here but when you take a large mid western city and put a direction in front of it like e Chicago South Saint Paul. That's usually a sign that you're in the work inside a town here and sure enough. E Saint Louis Pilot Travel Center is surrounded by Drop Lots and nondescript warehouses folks. We're in the coal grave vortex of the Industrial Midwest by one hundred thirteen gallons which takes about seven minutes to palm cost a little over three hundred fifty dollars. Then we move right along back on the road. Can I have some of those? We crossed a mighty Mississippi and into the West. I realized this is largely a symbolic border. Once you cross that river there really does seem to be a little more elbow room for a big truck like mine by evening. The fourteen hour clock is nipping at me. And we're literally minutes from running out of time when we make it to The Oasis Travel Plaza in Richland all day. I've been trying to coax a buddy of mine who is also running Dallas to pull off at this very same truckstop so he can have breakfast together but he still has another couple of hours on his clock and is determined to make this far as Joplin back in the day. That buddy of mine might have stopped and let that time though but tonight he's sales on by day. Our bags and clothes are all piled in the sleeper. So a move it all onto the front seats for the night and see if I remember to bring the Pill. Location my suitcase. I mean it's not terrible sharing a single sleeper bunk with your wife of thirty eight years but it's tight enough back there that we usually sleep head to foot. I can't believe I forgot to bring an extra pillow case. I probably didn't remember to pack Denise Only Rides along with me like this a few times a year and there's just something wonderful about seeing her wake of a morning in the back of an old three eighty six peterbilt her hair all to shovel her face. Still soft with sleep. I'm reminded again that she is strikingly beautiful woman. I'm ready just great. Share in a truck stop in Missouri could be most tractable after breakfast. Move all the bags back into the sleeper tap. The tire check the lights off to Texas. For the second day the goal is to get US close to Dallas as we can before we shut it down who do pull off for some barbecue and big cabin Oklahoma but otherwise Jackson. Browne hers US right along. We're delivering to a refrigerated warehouse was probably a hundred and fifty dollars all around the outside wall places like this are a bit of a puzzle to me. Nothing is made here. Nothing has bought and sold truckloads simply come in and other truckloads go out so I can only trust. There is a reason for it. All in any case we get our door assigned pretty quick. Drop our trailer and pull the truck out. Sign some more paperwork. The lowest done from there were able to walk right across the street for a big plate of waybill French. Heroes and then make our way over to the great American trucking. Show a little ripe a little worse for the wear but otherwise ready for action. We kind of lingered over this tale longer than we might normally. Because I want you to really appreciate what a day's work out on the road entails for now at least so here we are at a massive convention center. Kind of like the one where we kicked off the series full of truck drivers shiny trucks slick salesman. But there's at least one company here that I've never seen before I am at the Ramirez and I am a safety driver in an autonomous truck and I love every minute of Ethel here works for a company called Starsky robotics which actually brought one of their trucks right out on the show floor and Dallas. It's kind of like bringing a model t to a horseshoe. This is our head all admit I came over to the Starsky Booth. Expecting to find some slick technopark who? I could really love to hate. This button won't do the light. You know lying with this kind sixty year old soul from north. Georgia had me eating out of her hand. We we build our computer up back here big computer. That's huge. We've oh after cuter up. And then we start to truck on the road for those lines and then we engage it. Would this and I'll just sit here like this right here. I'll do not touch that for you unless it wants to do something out ordinary. I do not touched the wheel. Ethel is basically. There's a backup mall. Starsky works out the bugs in the system so when troops on the road. No one's in it it will work perfect do. Do you basically trust this system own you. Are you comfortable with this? This automated system that you're using yes I do. I mean it's just like driving a normal truck except you're not driving it. I put my hand behind my head. You know. Just lock them. Relax and let just go and Dan road double take take a double tate. And then I'll just put both hands up way. Them and smile at him driving a truck without touching the wheel to me. That's like pure cognitive dissonance. I'm then you gotTa have fun when you drive and truck you know if you don't find a way to have a good time out here on the road in. You're not on Mike Do Sometime. Say I just want the feeling that sometimes just walked? Feel your hands on. That will well. Everybody as I am old school been dropping twenty two years and I'm just honored that I'm even a part of this technology stew. A knew it was coming but I didn't think that I would ever be a part of this. Is the reason the Starsky is bothering to show up at a truck show at all because they do want truckers to be part of all this technology stuff. What they're working towards is not actually a fully autonomous truck. But more of a hybrid. Something they call tally up. So ideas like doing tally. Up is most companies. Can't get off the highway. We can deliver right to the customer. They do that by driving. The truck remotely like a drone so as soon as the roads get to hide or confusing for the automated system. Someone like Jeff here. My Name's Jeffersonians can simply take over without having to actually be in the truck. I've been a truck driver for forty years and I want to try something different? I've done everything else so I did. Porn Jeff has been stationed in front of the Starsky track. All Day where. He has to feel nonstop questions from curious. Well sometimes suspicious truck drivers only one answer here. Mommy's kind enough to show me how this works. This is like a prototype you know. It's got a racing seat from a playstation. You heard right playstation three. I got gas got break everything on my steering wheel. I got where I can click it here like right. Here's the controller. Surrounded by three flat screen monitors showing live feeds from all the trucks cameras. So it's like a game but it's not because you've got eighty thousand pounds born on-road it. Trump is not a game. This telia system has allowed Starsky. To do what no other company has done. Take a tractor trailer onto public road with nobody in the truck. This is from a video of that test back in June of Twenty nineteen. Jeff was running the telly up. But like I said no one is in the truck with truck is South Florida. I'm in Jacksonville Florida on now what I do is I bring it out in a restaurant. Would you tell up came out into traffic? Then I turned truck on and he drove itself all the way down by nine miles right. When we're getting to the toll road to get off I take it over there right when you see the to get off. And I'm the worst critic on it but they make everything better when I tell him and stuff. Jeff is here in Dallas to sell this idea of truck drivers becoming truck controllers basically turning trucking into a desk job. We're going to have it to the driver's work eight to ten hours a day. And that's it so everybody's going to be nice and fresh and you're not going to be driving all night long or you know working seventy hours a week like truck drivers do nowadays. Okay not all of us actually work that much but jeff does make some fair points. A of job would mean no more hanging around the East Saint Louis pilot. That's for sure I mean most of your life. Being a drunk driver is sitting somewhere waiting. Get loaded loaded. How many times you've got to play deed over there? That's why you go to drugs and needed greasy food because you've even sitting there all day and you're hungry. We've created a job that nobody really wants. Nobody with any sense would go do what we did you. Okay I mean like these new millennium guys. They really don't want to be on the road. I'm donny now. Everyone is young that we have here after. You know driving a couple of years. They don't WANNA be out. We're not taking nobody's job that's why they understand. I'm giving them a better job as you can imagine that idea draws mixed responses this crowd. I don't want sending and some Roman Meta truck driving rise. Wait and see load. Yeah I'll go crazy. In fact we meet a family of truckers. Right there at the Starsky booth. That pretty much captures the full range of attitudes. My Name's Clifford Ewing. We talked to the DAD. First opinion. Self driving truck is one of the biggest might well. That's one way to look at a tool. But Clifford and his generation have the luxury of simply dismissing. This type of technology intern. Half IS I'll be out of that. Y'All go to jail. But his two sons are also truckers. Meghan fight with it. The older son Matthew Study Three I would be board is pretty skeptical about signing up for telent job seeing the rocky mountains on the screen. I can do that anytime. I turned to the nature channel. I much rather see the world in person but then we talked to his younger brother. Travis Hewing sings a pretty different tune. It'd be like playing a video game all day. Get paid to sit in the air conditioned building in worry bill dealing with people be that kind of job and this is what. I find so interesting about this company. Expose a kind of invisible faultline in our community between those of us who see trucking as just another job and those of us who see it as a way of life but before we get too carried away. I want to encourage everyone listening to maintain some healthy degree of skepticism. About all this technology. Stuff as Ethel put it matter of fact a few months. After this interview one of Starsky main investors pulled out just as they were closing another funding round pretty soon. The company laid off all their drivers and effectively closed up shop as a trucking outfit. So in this case the hype was just I? You could say but there are others still out there trying to crack the automation nut and it's just a matter of time before one of these companies right and then what happens to all the chuckers who simply want to live live out on the road unemployment line. I think you know when tournament takes over and puts us all out of work you know as you can probably imagine. There are a lot of them right here at the great American trucking show. Well I'd rather just drive around aimlessly in my charge. An ally and all the way back to the Bible story of Cain. There's been that breed of men and women who have wandered nothing else. I dread retiring. I'm sixty six years old. Unable to put down roots are worked the land. I don't WanNa do another job and laugh. We're GONNA stay out here every day that God blesses us. And let just do the searchers the way faring strangers air to that great American tradition of mobility. Then that's when your life goes way. Just it's just a sow alive and for the truckers. This breed the threat of hope we hold onto is the knowledge that there's a lot more to our jobs and just keeping their rig between the white lines. It'll be a few years still before a computer can step into a bullpen and convince a two thousand pound animal to walk onto a trailer or secure a steel coil to a flatbed with change and binders shoot. Even the simple rituals of produce horror like me checking tires switching out trailers fueling up the reefer unit interacting with the shippers brokers receivers. No Tech Company is even claiming their truck. And do all that all that shown yet at least seventy so we grab our gears. We wait who watched the new promotional videos shove our worries aside the best we can. We put our energy into more pressing concerns like AOL DIS and freight rates. The hours of service and the lack of parking above all else we just focus on the next low and the next one and then the next one Hey folks since we can't get back into the studio right now. I'll be recording this last bit right out here over the road right now. I'm parked up at Nick's barbecue and Carlisle Arkansas. Waiting on an order of Brisket Turnip Greens and Fried Okra. Are To believe. But we've been working on this series for over a year. I met is a team in early. March twenty nineteen and it's made twenty twenty as I record this. The problem with that is the stories were telling aren't standing still. They're out there moving and changing with the rest of us so before we close up shop. I WANNA share a few updates from the people. We interviewed this past year. Let's kick it off with jared Slow the Bull Holler remit out Nebraska. You you had to think for tracks. Forever Remember Jared had recently switched to bowl hauling after the mandate into effect. I guess if I'M NOT GONNA run on but the long hours and time away from home we're starting to weigh on him and his young family. But that's the hardest part. I miss my kids. That was over a year ago now but just a couple of months after that. First interview I- producer. And I were driving through Kentucky working on the Nandor Pudding episode as a matter of fact when I get this call from jared call. Good timing jared happened to be fueling at the Wadi Kentucky loves before heading back West five and we were only a few miles away so we get there and sure enough. There's that Red Peterbilt lined up at the diesel pumps with a big chrome bumper lowered down to within inches of the pavement and my wife beneath jared. Was there on on of his usual Kennel. Rosh taking feeders from Kentucky out to Nebraska Seventy had fears on going to feed lot but then he gave us some news around and mayor. This whole plug jared. The owner is getting out of Boll hauling. He found a local tanker Gig. That'll have him home every night. Just miss the kids and it's this. It's not fun anymore either. You know too many regulations and just ready to be done by then. Jared chuckles topped off and he did one last. Check of his cargo to make sure they were all still on their feet. Dr Jump He's got pretty crummy life so then arena. Storm came out of nowhere. So you said a hasty goodbye under the fuel island. Talk to jared again a few months later express. He's been picking up some loads of cattle again on the side gets it's like he told us out. Nebraska. Hit it when you're doing it commission when you don't wonder if that's what podcasting like recently followed up with the other trigger. We met Nebraska Colo- high and yet she also had some big news for us. Yes so I bought a truck. And the middle of April this is jus- classic can yet in the midst of a pandemic as the world braces for economic collapse. That's when she makes her move so it's kind of an awkward time but it's like you know it's just thousand of time quite the contrary in that can yet so if I can make it through the boot camp of the now that anything after that once it rebounds should be a whole lot better. Does it feel different to be driving a truck that you own so I like it. A company driver to being like saying at home at your parents happens. They may cook your food. Buy The food. Pay The utilities. But you don't really get a true sense of living until you get out on your own and you know I make completely fall flat on my face but you gotta spread your wings and fly all right. I've got a few quick ones for you. Fin Murphy from episode. Three is working on his second book. Has of all things retired to the life of a country squire with his own Colorado Cannabis farm. Meanwhile over on I seventy five. Genevieve has just released her first album. And Janet also known as Tammy Wynette as retired from the Derby City truckstop due to health. Issues she now makes beautiful appellation. Quilts can find her work on facebook by searching for Touche Crochet by Janet. Hello this Zane is this. My sister is your sister Lizzie. So last we heard brothers Zane was still looking for workout in Montana but pretty determined not to follow in the family tradition of truck driving. So tell me about what you got up to this last summer. What were you doing for work? was a delivery driver to restaurants and retail stores around town in a big. I don't know how long like a straight track big long straight truck. Yeah now I've got to stop you right there because Zane you should know that I started out driving one of those boxy little straight drugs. Do I think it's actually an old u? Haul with a reefer unit stuck on the front and it was a good Gig to till one day. I took my wife out with me on a local delivery. Run Three Shiny Red Peterbilt's past my rig at a high rate of speed and she turned to me and said. Hey Paul was she drove real truck for. You're still on team. No over the road driving. I mean yeah no I mean. Have you been considering it? Yeah Dad got me in touch with a driving school guy and talk to him for a minute. So it's not a bad option. Just remember one thing. Zane street trucks are a gateway drug one day. You're dropping lettuce at the local food. Co Op forty years later. They're calling you for lane Zane so consider yourself well. Let me know if anything K love you gala do but bend down in California. Got into trucking because of a couple misdemeanor. Du Is he had at at that time. It seemed like the best way for me to provide for my family to where I was bringing in and good amount of money. Well while we were working on the series those dropped off his record. I start applying for jobs as a corrections officer and I also applied with the Federal Bureau of Prisons. He might even go back and finish off the law degree at some point the for Benda the LD fight is all over the ten twelve people of us that were like all Gung Ho Frontline. One of my buddies already got out. He got a job. And there's like two three of us that are in the process. He knows where we're all just trying to get out of trucking about a month before republished mineral to say he got that corrections job after all and is all done with trucking for now end with Benda's fellow activists and our old friend Mike Landis because the big update here is also news for all truckers. Okay I wanNA thank everyone for participating in just ahead of the truck show in Dallas where we kicked off this episode. The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration actually proposed new roles that were kept truckers more flexibility with our driving our stage here. This is not a final rules. I'll give you my take on it. There's a lot of speculation right now. The details are complicated but the basic gist is that we would be able to stop and start that fourteen hour clock at some point during our work day. It's a lot better than what we have to work with now just a few weeks ago. Those rules were finally confirmed by the FMCSA. But that doesn't mean Mike is ready to hang it up as an activist is a good step in the right direction. They're moving in the right direction. And hopefully we can keep them going in that direction. In fact you can still spot him. Sometimes out on the National Mall with his old ninety nine peterbilt talking the passersby about hours of service L. And the future of trucking I have to salute the holdouts like Mike for most of us. There's no going back to the old ways as I record this or more computers in my truck than there are in my home and no doubt. They're here to stay so yeah. I'm still out here though. My last rig was sold off long ago after my big wreck the one that nearly claimed my life along with that Canary Yellow Western star and a regrettable quantity of cheese. I never quite found my footing. Againist owner operator so I just drive for the other guy now. Truth be told these days. I'm trying to do a little more stuff. Like singing writing podcasting a little less. Trucking seems like if you've been around this business long enough begin to devise some sort of exit strategy. If you're lucky you get to be fin are Benda and leave on your own terms some like Janet. Big Jim get out because the time comes and they have no other choice. But then you do have your lifers like I della the pistol packing money haller. Who couldn't be anything but a trucker and you're hardcore cowboys. Fast Freddie who pretty much died with his boots on I used to think that would be the way to go out there and some deep dark desert running the helm in your hand till the day you die consumed by the oneness that thing that was here in some form before you were in which will be here when you are long gone with no second act no Soliloquy just rocked to sleep on the shoulder of that long legged lover. The road after doing this. Podcast I'm not so sure I'm thinking there might just be more to life than the next load even for recovering produce taller like me anyway. This is the kind of stuff you think about. When you've got six hundred miles of I twenty to cover before sundown. Three twenty three seven after the great American trucking show is over on Sunday afternoon. Denise I head up to dock north of Dallas the reset are referred to twenty below so we can pick up a load of frozen food. No Sir that night we make it as far as terrel taxes to the TA truck. Stop there or I find one of my favourite waitresses maxine. Who's in her eighties now? The next day we cross Louisiana Mississippi and a little sliver of Alabama. Then head down into the Florida panhandle. We finally unload in a place called Qasimi. Next morning hiked the referral to thirty two degrees for orange juice and had north on. I seventy five. We all through Atlanta and K town. Where my personal watermelons got period in that fender bender. Then up and over the Cumberland plateau past the forty niners fuel center past the Derby City and the seventy six then up through Cincinnati and into the verdon fields of western Ohio. I can't quite recall. Were that orange juice ended up. I have a hard time remembering loads after a while. I really do all become up. Learn so you work in out of town one day. Stand on your own strength. Japan paid billion. And in that you leave back at home so space ball see. The sweet faces an exchange missy. After two or three days you could hear some grey on a client's he'll their sons you will be this young again grow again. Over-the-road pit crew includes producer and sound designer Ian Costs and contributing producers. Lacina Roberts transmitter. Media are editor from overdrive magazine as Todd Dell's digital producer is Erin Wade. Our project manager a wonderful lady holds everything together is Audrey mortgage one last hero collaborative storytelling can be a highly fraught process for a grizzled old trucker like me an essence a practitioner of a solitary trade for almost forty years. Now I reached a point on this whole team thing just proved to be more than I thought. I could handle one July night at around. Eleven o'clock actually wound up resigning from this project. The best explanation I can muster for doing something so rash and self sabotaging that when you're paid by the mile to run running to sort of become your default solution for anything that overwhelms you. The person who skillfully talked me off that ledge the following day at a picnic table outside of the Pierre X. podcast garage was a rare and beautiful soul who also happens to be our executive producer Julius Shapiro. Thanks for helping me. Turn THAT CORNER FORGIVING L. Hp second chance truth be told a better person for having worked with you. All the music on. The show is by Ian Costs and myself featuring performances by travis the snake man Terry Socks Richardson Tissue. Mingled Jim Whitehead. Jan Grand Cola. The late Great Roger Clark and Mr Andrew Marshall Additional engineering by Donegal down in Shoals Alabama special shout out to overdrive on Jason Cannon moderated. The panel you heard at the top of the show. Also the truckers. You Heard Debbie Does Dorado Daniel and Philip's Snow Debbie Jacobs. Jimmy Trans Huron Michelle. Catch and Chris. Bradley thanks again to all the folks who would help make this show happen credit comb. Let Transmitter Media Max. 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"Hello before we get rolling today. We have a favor to ask over. The road is conducting a survey. That will help us learn more about our listeners. And we'd really value your feedback. Could you take just a few minutes to tell us about yourself and share some things you like about the show after you listen to this episode? Of COURSE PLEASE VISIT SURVEY. Dot P R x dot org slash over the road to take the survey today. That's survey dot P r x dot org slash over the road. Thanks so much. Hey Todd dills here from overdrive for this week's Channel One nine. We're trying something a little different. We're getting off the phone and heading out into the World Day off when you come up. The question of the day is how do truckers customized trucks interiors? So we're taking a little tour. Of course there are as many answers to that. Question is there are over the road drivers but Daniel and Phil Snow here out of Harrison. Arkansas can give you a good idea of just how far some truckers will go to make a truck their own. We got married three months after we met. I mean I thought she was just going on vacation when she got into drive women. Fourteen years ago. She's still air. You know. Get rid of me. Daniel in Phyllis call their deep green truck. The goose that does is a nineteen ninety six freightliner plastic exile for actual tractor day droid powered with a custom hundred and forty inch bottled on it. One hundred and forty inch bunk. It's a pretty staccato workforce. Let's sleeper cab. Almost twelve feet long picture. The body of a small travel trailer say built onto the back of the driver's cab and painted to match. You're getting close to a good description of what the goose looks like two top stove and then I have a microwave conviction. Eleven Jeanette shower shower bath in the toilet dining table and all of it tastefully tiled floor decorated to theme that reflects the snow's faith so our basic overall fame of the truck is Christianity. Daniel show you around a little bit on the back wall. We used a cowboy nail nat across the center of the sailing. We have a cowgirl With a truck behind her Neilan at across and it says in God we truck I have a lot of Cherokee Indian blood in me so we made the front of the sleeper basically a tribute to the native American. That's actually a real ghost. Feather and feathers are very important in way of thanking. You get to feathers one for wisdom and one for courage but anyway. So that's the front of the sleeper. On the side over the dining table we built her a mantle and we made it a Western theme mantle with rope outline. She's not a real rifle a real pistol but I don't know I guess you might a thief. Thank it was if you grab it off the wall and then on the shower bathroom door we put an assortment of bickers each of our mothers so we add different things around to to be more like a home not just. It's not just the trump to us. It's a way alive. When we bought this labor it was out of a salvage yard. It's important to emphasize here. That customizing a truck is not just about style for day on Phyllis. It's really an investment in both their business and the quality of life Ivad quite a bit of health issues. I ain't GonNa say all of her due to my French fries as I still like French fries but we gutted all this out and just built it back the way we wanted it and by doing that we made it possible for us to eat a lot better healthier and we have we'd about nine out of ten meals in the sleeper. Not Anything you do at home. I mean there. The night we ate eggs bacon and biscuits and and then yeah. Shrimp and steak. He barbecues that we've got a barbecue grill that matches the truck to its green looking in here like a cake or anything going down the road. You Know Ball on my biggest problem is I can't hardly drive down a road smell and all that cooking on my okay. We gotta find a place to stop. I'm about to starve to death. I like to eat. And she's a good cook so it's a good combination. There's a world of customized trucks out there as varied as the trucking business itself. I've seen sleeper cabs built out with any kind of cooking equipment. You Can Imagine. Ranges Ovens Espresso machines and grinders foldout charcoal or even gas grills mounted on the deck off the back the exercise equipment weights stair steppers. Sometimes even an exercise bike. Along for the whole I know at least one trucker songwriter with a professional recording studio built into the bunk of his rig. Hey maybe we ought to get Paul set up with one of those WanNa see more. 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"In my early years out here I learned a lot from a close friend and mentor of mine an old reefer. Holler name of Thud Thornberg. You might recall. I spoke to his dad's Selden. A couple episodes back about a stays wildcatter. Thud told me Palm to be any good at this. You have to be willing to do what no one has any right to ask of you. What you meant by that is thanksgiving. Dinners Christmas with the family. Your kids birthdays. They things can never be taken for granted again. Once you become an over the road truck driver after a while though there's a certain emotional calloused forms you're not afraid over every little thing that might be going on back at home do this as a means of survival. You find yourself in Jackson Georgia Christmas Eve. Six hundred miles from home. Some truck stop talking to complete strangers at McDonald's coaching them. While you coach yourself I mean look Christmas was no cakewalk for the baby. Jesus either try living in a barn and December with your newborn baby laying in a fee trough shell that goes over with the Department of Family Services. Who could actually catch me saying things like this. At least that's how it was from my perspective the truckers perspective. But there's another side to this story what happens to marry and the baby cheeses when Joseph's cut a load of lettuce bound for Boston. And that's the one. We'll be hearing today our very own lacy Jane Roberts Paul Lacey. Hi if you've been with us. Since the beginning you know that Lacey is not only a whip smart producer but that she also comes from a family of truckers. When I was a little kid it was pretty much. Everybody was my my Dad. All of my uncles. Both of my grandpas and my grandma to make refund. She's recording an silly and most of them are men so like the men of the family were gone a lot and that was normal. Like Dad's Dad. They're gone a lot so you went to visit your folks recently. Yeah I did hear talking. Yellow jackets in the ants shot. I wanted to talk to my mom my memories very similar to your memory. My Dad I loved it. That's how I grew up. I was ranch kit about those days. I wanted to talk to my grandparents. You're my favorite granddaughter. Nice Bull Drug and I wanted to talk to my younger brother Zane. How much younger than me. Are you a year some months and more like a year? I guess I wanted to understand better. The ways in which trucking impacted my family because my memories of it are memories of a little kid today on this show will hear a story that spans three generations from a fateful New Year's Eve kiss in one thousand nine hundred fifty seven to the very real choices facing lacey in her brother's Today so sit tight from pure XS radio topiary and overdrive magazine. This is over the road. I'm long-haul Paul. Hey listeners. If you're a fan of over the road you may also enjoy carrier in immersive audio thriller from Q Code Media. 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It's it's best known for a couple of things one being in the Great Western lonesome dove and being wear the cowboy and Willie Wonka and the chocolate factory was was from. I think I've delivered tropical plants to miles city Montana to the Walmart. I'm shooting from the hip here but is there a walmart? We got a Walmart. But yeah it's it's wear. It's where my family is really really from. Follow me grandma. I'm looking at this this this picture of your grandmother and she's standing on a mountain road with with with her semi. She's staring straight into into the camera. Like yeah I realized I look like a young Audrey Hepburn and I drive a truck. So what? Step some kind of problem with that. She'd love that I just. I'm just so curious to see how your conversation went with your grandmother. Here let me see what it sounds like. It was really nice okay. We could go sit in the car. Okay said Okay I have. I have a big boisterous family I have four younger brothers. And they're allowed and GRANDPA's loud and everyone's yelling at each other at the TV all the time and it was nice for us to just be able to sit quietly and talk at length. Okay Grandma okay when tell me about how you and GRANDPA met We met okay. This was on December thirty first. It's like kind of a legendary story in my family. New Years Eve in the late fifties in miles city at the elks lodge big dance. And that's when I first met him. Grandma was either twelve or thirteen And My GRANDPA was like a real hot shot and my mind. He's sort of like he like rolls his cigarettes up in his. Like white t shirt sleeve. He came up the stairs and gave me a big kiss for New Year's Eve. The first thing he did when he met. You had never met him before you just planted one on you know I. I knew his sister but no I didn't know him until down the road and that's how they met for the first time and then they started the way you know grandma puts it. They started going together. Then the age of fourteen we got married in Thomas. Seventeen I was fourteen and then when did he become a truck driver why he done a lot of truck driving winning this young? I think the when he was fifteen he was running around delivering. Melcan different cities up their own malls city. My GRANDPA was a trucker for quite some time before she started driving and she was mostly at home. But you know it was almost like. You're a single mom. In those early years when grapple was on the road all the time and you were working and he was gone all the time and there were times when he be out in need after run and get a check from somebody that he just delivered to and they need after. Run around trying to get the cash back in a you know. It's just hard to get that all done and get home again you know. It's it's pathetic. Did you miss your husband? Oh Yeah and they miss their dad do he was a? He was a good man with him. He always protected them. Because I always had Make them behave and then down the road. Wada's own truck and always started doing that a little more seriously. That was nineteen seventy. Because I quit my job. She would from time to time leave. The girls with Migrate Grandma. Or someone else to stay for a week at a time or something and then go take trips of my grandpa a stirred truckin with Tom Allot. And in those times. She would drive While he slept to give him a break. Tom was working too hard because he'd be on the road all the time. My GRANDPA was running really really hard dislike weekly route from California to Winnipeg so one day. I told him Tom. You go west. Let me go east. We can get through this. She said why don't why don't why don't you let me help. He looked at me like he was crazy. He's what the Heck's wrong with you. You never even put fuel in this truck. Why do you WANNA go trick them by yourself and I said well you just let me show you you get in a sleeper and stay out of there and all show you? I can drive truck and I did all the way over to Winnipeg and back in He didn't do much of anything and then she did it on her own. Basically for fifteen or twenty years. You didn't hear Graham other. Have a secret weapon when dealing with the border personnel. She said she is. She baked like a hundred cookies every week lacey's cookies. What kind of cookies were they? They were pumpkin cookies. You loved him. It was this Betty Crocker recipe for pumpkin chocolate chip cookies. And then guys were always See the truck Kamani and we'll get you unloaded. That's the first thing they say. Your grandmother like armed with homemade cookies. She probably could have annexed to Alberta in her day if she if she wanted to do that and just let that be her gift to America. You know probably. I think she's probably made millions of cookies. Those those pumpkin chocolate chip cookies really greased the wheels for you. Did Ramona Mitrokhin days. Yes it did out a lot. Was there anything else in this conversation? That came out that you weren't expecting I. I didn't really plan to but I ended up asking did you. What would you think if one of these boys decided to be a truck driver? Now you know what would you have done? If if one of my brothers became a truck driver my grandma said Oh I think the dean might. If that's what you WanNa do you do it and then I asked her. What if I Married a truck driver. Well it's a little different animal. I protect my granddaughter. You wouldn't want me to marry a truck driver. No I want you to live normally. I would want you to have a normal life. That's what she said a normal life you. It's it's hard. You know you watch your mom. There were times when your dad was in doing well and your mom having to put up with stuff until the end and that was it the end There's something to her about. You know you can. You can make a life out on the road but it's it's to be left behind maybe a little bit yeah I think that's all my questions. Okay what do you think? Spend too long This is your grandmother on your mom's mom. Cider DAD's side. Yeah Mom said I am Lacy Robert's mom I'm your mom. My mom is in extremely active person. She never sit still. She doesn't dwell on the past. And I think that that's Served her very well over the years considering how much she's had to do now. How does your mom remember all this growing up with trucker parents while my mom you know is kind of like me? I guess you know. She grew up with a trucker dad and during the first whatever dozen or so years of her life he was gone a lot a lot. I remember my mother always being like the disciplinarian and the one who had to like teach us all the things And then when he was home he was sort of the good cop and grandma was always the bad cop. I fell into that good cop thing too when I was GONNA lie so it's almost like being a trucker dad. You don't have to get your hands dirty with like a lot of the disciplinary things. Yeah that's the way she talks about it I do have one very fond memory of my first grade school carnival or something and there was like a cakewalk and just riding on my dad's shoulders to the carnival with the cake and then getting there and I thought it was such a big deal in my like little girl a mind that everybody was going to be so thrilled to see my dad because my dad was never around. They're going to be like WHOA. Terry's DAD's here and nobody cared for me. It was like such a thing. And how did she feel about trucking at the time as a job I think that she you know grew up around truck driving so it wasn't anything weird. I mean that was just a way of life. He didn't really. I didn't really think about it too. Much yeah in that translated into a relationship with somebody who also became An over the road driver that you you knew what you were in for. There were no surprises. I think she was twenty when she got married. Maybe twenty one but we don't have conversations is just like oh you're getting married Okay there is no like okay. You're ready to you. You should stop and think about this. You're too young A. B. He's GonNa be gone a lot. You know what that's like. Are you sure that's what you want? See this is going to be the father to your to your kids and you're gonNA be raising your kids a lot on your own. Should think about that. Nobody did that for me. My mom was always a pretty independent person and so I think that you know when they were first married. My Dad was trucking. You know it worked for her and not having to be responsible for anything other than myself for a good part of the time that we were. We were dating and married. I didn't know about that time when like key. I started trucking and it was really great for both of them because he was making money and was really independent and like they had a great life. When was it that you started to like think about my dad's truck driving in a negative way? It's definitely once when the kids started happening. Absolutely my mom unexpectedly got pregnant with me. I had to find a babysitter who lived nearby. My work so I could go nurse on my breaks. My brother came twenty two months later and then I had another brother two or three years after that and another brother to two or three years after that it was just a lot for me. as a twenty two twenty three year old to do so my mom was pregnant or breastfeeding for almost ten years and she was doing a lot of that stuff on her own when I was pregnant with vein. I had this moment where we had a dog. The dog died in the backyard and I was like eight and a half months pregnant. I might would y do with the big dog bloating backyard. Things like bad. Just happen that you just don't really like what do I do with this right now? You know and like in in a moment when you're already dealing with all this other stuff a thing like overwhelms you to the point like I'm sick of life it. It just got a lot harder because there is just so much more to do rather than her sort of doing her own thing when he was gone. It was her raising kids on her own. Yeah any you might. You might see your dad like four days a month at that point in time. Yeah I really. I have no memory of data during that time. Probably it was harder on sane despite because he is like a little mini me with his dad in he liked to wear the big. Straw cowboy hat like his dad. And you know that's how I would notice it not like in a when's daddy and be home. I didn't really hear that. You know I didn't really hear any like I Miss Daddy that sort of thing but I also didn't feel that when I was a kid. I think he was home fairly regularly but he'd only be home for a short amount of time. I mean I grew up in the same house that I had the same memories as a child. When my dad was gone? Didn't do much. You're always had that bigger house in the yard and that's where we stay in my memory. What happened was like he trucks the whole time. Basically from the time I was born until I was eleven and it just got too hard. Had we not spent so much time apart throughout our relationship maybe things would have been different. It's true but it was just. We were together eleven year. And that's a long time to grow apart. She went to college during this time. I had developed a very independent life from him and I liked it better and they split up and my dad moved out and we moved into this frontal house and I think we were there for a year and then moved to Missoula. How is your mom ever able to do that? To be a trucker's wife with four kids at home and and get a bachelor's degree honestly pie have no idea. I mean I should've asked her that I think that the answer for her. Who WOULD PROBABLY BE? I did it because I had to like what was the other choice. Was the other choice coming. Up after the break we'll hear from Lacey's Dan about why he chose to drive a truck and finally from her brother. Zane ABOUT WHY? He chose not to so this cattle hauler dad of yours. Did you have a chance to talk to him at all? Yeah and it was really nice to talk to him about this stuff. So he's still trucks but he's home every weekend now and when we showed up in miles city. My Dad had made this plan that he wanted to take me and my brother to the ranch up on me to move the seat. It was like thirty miles up a really slow going dirt road. It took like an hour hour and a half to get there. It was an insanely beautiful late spring in eastern Montana it was like Super Super Green Everything was just like popping. It was a cattle ranch. Really out in the middle of nowhere Alec Gun Rack in the school bus. For Heaven's I mean. I think that I had a free range childhood. I mean he used to get sent off to school by himself and he was like seven years old with a shotgun in case he saw any coyotes. You know the scourge all ranchers hate him so he was like actually one of those kids in those like one room. Schoolhouses out there. This isn't like the eighteen hundreds. You know it was like my dad was born in nineteen sixty four. So you know it was like the late sixties seventies until. He was a teenager until he entered high school and that's when he had to go to school in town. I didn't know nothing and I'm looker. Own and I ain't fit and people are making fun of me. I was mortified. I went home about ball. And of course every bully in the place wanting to fight you because you were such A. My grandma would take jobs in the winter when it was slow on the ranch hauling bulls. My diamond. Go with him. Yeah in fact. When I was fourteen I took a truck by myself and followed him to Glasgow Montana with a lotta cows all by myself when I was only fourteen so he had that experience and then he told me that you know he thought it was so cool. Did you think about doing anything else? No Way No. We're all my heroes to the young guys that were driving truck and stuff. I couldn't wait till I got old. Now forget now CDL. So I could go myself I rebate. You'll hear what about like what. What did it seem? Glamorous it seemed really glamorous you know hindsight's twenty twenty plus I mean I guess I don't really have a sense of what kind of work there was for people out here you know. What is this this is the mid eighties? It was the early eighties and there was nothing it was back when the interest rates are really high tried really hard to get on the minds and and nobody was hired so we just you could always get a job driving truck if you were good at it. So that's what I did honestly. I didn't know enough about trucking or had enough curiosity about his trucking career before to ask him about all of all of the things I asked him about so when we were like when when we were in miles city and like living on Scott Street and were little like how many miles a week were you doing. How often were you coming home on average? If I was hauling produce I would go to California and back and stop at home and sleep overnight and then go to Canada and unload reload come home and sleep overnight and go back to California. So it's probably five thousand miles week around there he was. He said he was running. Five thousand miles a week. Yeah that's a Lotta Miles. I don't I don't know how to quantify that to someone who doesn't speak in terms of miles but like how many hours driving do you think would it. It would take to do five thousand miles a week. Paul to quantify that on a weekly basis. You're talking in eighty to a hundred hour workweek so that would be the protas time and then the bull hauling time in the bowl hall in time was probably even worse. I mean you just go go go go. You had to get the loads while they were there. Because you knew the next month there might enough thought so. If you had something to do you went and how you and. I talked about this a good bit when we were on the road and we were talking about the years when you were driving really hard and you describe them as a blur yeah. I think that that's what it was like for. My Dad just seem it was ever the way that he talks about it. How much were you sleeping? Not very much. How would you feel when he would come home? I didn't I wasn't any good to you or your mom or anybody. I would to sleep. Get up again. We couldn't do anything but sleep. You know he was so exhausted. I remember like I do remember. Mom like when you would come home. It would be like Dad's coming home but you gotta get me. He can't grow data loan. You remember that you know that one of the things about getting a reputation as good dependable hard runner is you get in this cycle. Were the more you do for people. The more they expect of you. You know something that I remember you saying when we were talking when we were driving You wanted to be the guy that could get it done. I mean there is about you know in the dispatcher. Says I've got about three guys. I I could trust with this load. You're one of them and a good dispatcher. Knows how to give you the KNUTE Rockne Talk. You know talk about those cities who have to be home every weekend with their little families. Those you know and It's that's that's what it is it's becomes that sort of thing then all of a sudden you're that you're that guy that's you know whose wife is saying. Lead relieve your dad alone exhausted when like in your twenties mural the kids and you were like doing Five thousand plus miles a week like like. How do you keep going? I mean is it like is it money like is it. It's partly the money and you did that to you. Drove that hard to get home for night. To See your family you would drive straight through from L. A. Two Miles City Montana. Just so you could sleep at home and see your kids until the next day so that was like the light at the end of the tunnel and then you would. You know you'd have that night and probably the next evening. Go on to Canada and come back and spend a night in part of day at home and then you drive straight California. Get unloaded and reloaded and drive straight home. So you could spend a day with your family. I know when you leave down that country. You get to Idaho and you costumed. Idaho was only five hundred in five six hundred miles on. You feel like you're almost home. No Gary and we're in like eastern Montana out here like you're like two states away from home still two big ones. Yeah yeah it'd be six hundred miles to go. But when you cost in Idaho you think you're almost home know maybe he and he he'd never told me a lot of these stories either like he'd never volunteered these stories that. I wonder if it's because he just didn't think that there was much that was extraordinary about it because it's such a fact of life for him. I've kind of I've wondered about this whole thing about you know. If you're a trucker you know itinerant worker. You're GONNA law At some point you relinquish the right to your own story. You don't get to tell your story someone has to ask. Is that something that you feel with you and your your family. Well I was very. I was very fortunate to have had a alive. Who would tell my kids things like our. Our bills are really tight. So Your Dad's going back out to California again to kind of get us out of trouble and so I mean there's things that were repeated to me by my daughters and so you know sort of like your grandfather. I got to be the good guy when I got home so I was very fortunate to to have had someone who was a pretty good. Pr Agent for me. But NOT EVERY NOT. Every truck driver is Fortunate that way so the last person I want to tell you about Paul is my brother's aim name is Zane Roberts. I'm the brother of Beautiful Roberts Zane. That's a great western name. That's that's that's a true cowboy name there I mean my name is Lacey. Jane Roberts and my brother's name is Zane Tyler. Roberts couldn't get to more perfect little cowboy and cowgirl names that was so was name was he did he grow up like a cowboy. Was He kind of like a Rodeo Guy Bowl Holler guy or he was such a little mini me of my dad remember one time went to Fresno Dad when we were like I was probably in second grade so I did a lot sleeping in the back and he just drove and he just like worship the ground my dad walked on and loved the track and Vienna sausages straight out of the CAN. Yeah that's really all. We ate my dad for example was really into the Dallas cowboys. And you know when he was home him insane. What Always Watch the Dallas Cowboys game together? He's still. He's still like ninety percent of his shirts are cowboys jerseys. Wow now did sane ever that he become a truck driver or what did he wind up doing now? Zan Saint never became a truck driver. No I decided longtime ago I would never do that. I would never place money or work above things I care about. You know. That's that's probably one of my first lessons life lessons for sure. For Zane. Those years he remembers than being harder because I think my he felt my dad's absence a little bit more. And so I I. I don't think I realized until we talked. How sort of tender that little. That memory is for him so Zane told me this this story that he remembers from being really little that he never. He never told me about before when we were little he he in my my cousin used to be like best friends and they'd hang out all the time and one day they were hanging out over at my aunt's house and they were playing with toy trucks. Since we were little you know he had toy trucks. And that's what he wanted to do because he thought it was cool but the trucks they meant something different design and I resented that just He didn't he didn't. Now what are you talking about? So why do you think you knew at such a tender age just because I knew what it did Our family and I guess one thing. I'm trying to figure out what did trucking due to our family like part of me is sort of like nothing you know like a supported us but do you resent the fact that that was a truck driver. Um No. He drove hard because he had four kids. You know. And that's all he really knew how to do and he resented it how we were too young to know. Exactly how much but he always hated. 'cause it just it you can't be a parent you know you're all you do. Truck is driving all the time. But there's not a lot opportunity there anyway so no matter what kind of work. He just Try to be home every night that that's the most important thing. I think you'd be a really good dad if you ever. If you ever end up doing that I just thought about any of this a long time so I think that same. Feel some of the pain that my dad felt just because he knows about and thinking back on that time. I think bring some of that up the things you bury you know. I just knew that I wouldn't I wouldn't do that to my family. That's no way to live. You know there's many important things in a lot of people don't don't ever have that thought. So can I ask you a question? Paul? Sure what does it make? You feel when I tell you the story about me and Zane it kind of reminds me of. I used to buy my grandkids. Semis all the time. And my daughter would like catch us. Like playing semis for hours and my my grandson would say now. What kind of wreck is this crap? While Bom shoved one semi into the other. I said well that's a t-ball and now what kind of wreckage scramble and we would like play. What kind of records this GRANDPA? For long periods of time and in one day and by then they amassed a fleet of about eight trucks and one day my daughter just took all those trucks and threw them away. She said they were just getting a mass. They were always getting in the way but I always kind of wondered if maybe she thought those boys were just having a low too much. Fun those toy trucks and in talking to you almost wonder if if you're speaking truth back to me that. I've never really explored that much with my kids. We've had these discussions come on. Daddy you did the best you could and let's have a beer but it's not it's I Dunno I suppose when I when I hear what you say Lacey. I think this is probably a lot. What my own kids went through. You know what I mean. Yeah and you they say to you down we know. We know that you did the best you could. You had to do what he had to do. We understand. Does that make you feel better? I appreciate it but you know when you're a parent you get one chance to get it right so i. I'm not sure I don't know how to answer that. Lacey because I don. It's like it's not like. I'm glad you understood because they you still don't get that time back whether they understand that or not and a man's conscience can be can be Very harsh at times. I'm just asking because I because I'd like to ease my dad's conscience a little bit because I know that he feels really bad. I know that he has these similar feelings. That you've had and I'm not quite sure how to do that. I the best thing you can do is What what makes me feel good is just to be able to To spend time with my my grown children and their children and just you know my daughter. My daughter gave me a haircut the other day. It was just a wonderful time but I went to another barber to get it corrected. And she she busted me because now. My Hair's just really short. That buzz cut long beard. Look that's going around now. Oh Man I like this advice hang out with Your Dad. Give him a haircut. Justice have a nice time because you know these these sessions. Like these deeply introspective sessions. They might be healthy. But it's probably more like a colonoscopy you don't want to have it done every week. Yeah Okay I do want to say that. I think it's very kind and sweet that you view kind of asking these questions at this point in your life I take. Your Dad is very fortunate to have a daughter like that. Well you know I think during this project is sort of Made me think about these things in a different way Luton Stage Wade still missoula sheer will. Do you bought in any town. Now just a ban is some good Graham J Janna a damn jetted cool Brew Man Name. Would you take to northbound on he? 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"Hey there and welcome to the Channel. One nine special. I'm todd dill's in case you're just joining us or wondering where Paul is and who I am. Here's the deal. I'm an editor at overdrive magazine. Meaning I spend most of my time writing about trucking four truckers. But for this podcast. I'll be hosting this series of mini episodes. Where we help. Answer your questions about trucking. If you're hearing this and you are a trigger then keep toned but bear with me. We'll be hitting some real basics. Start I channel one nine. We're going to talk about handling. Cb handles guess the only one I've ever really had was freak as infrequency because on the Radio Guy at our company I fix everybody's CB's you've well started out years ago Hall concrete on flat bed one of my buddies and said Hey Kanzi cowboy it stuck with me in the late. Nineteen fifties. The Federal Communications Commission started requiring licenses for anyone wanting to use a see. That's a citizens band radio. It was easy enough to get a license but CB's got so common that many truckers just didn't bother with it today the FCC truckers and others without licenses came up fictitious names for themselves shadow. I'm not going to get into the story about how I got that name. Even though the FCC stout requiring the senior license in the early Nineteen Eighties. Tradition of handles stuck around. They can be jokes because I used to weigh a hundred pound exercises in wish fulfillment. But I've gone by T. speed before but like slow and slower. Yes appropriated insults to if you Google the words Wild Australian bitch it comes back Dingo sort of. That's my handle Schreider. The heck are you might Crawford here. Might be the first trucker who told me that a CB handle meant to last is rarely something you give yourself given the handle beer cab. Because when he was sitting there drinking beer kept count of how many dad was he saved little tabs. Legit handle is a nickname that takes the reins and he looked like curly from a priest. Who just and he could sound. Act just like in fact Crawford gave me my own him like you're like a ghost. I'm somewhere all of a sudden you show up and would you be in everywhere and being able to write about everything. You need dose writer. That's W. R. I t. e. r. most writer chants. But how might Crawford became? The Mustang is a more interesting story. We're going on a ranch out in Colorado for one hundred dollars a week. He'd come off the road and the nineteen eighties to try his hand is a cowboy out in Colorado. Wow Mustang from out in Nevada or somewhere there you would come to know a wild horse. They name the force. Norman Norman. It was very friendly and he was very playful. He would come up behind you. And take you snows in Knox Cowboy hat off. He's like Mike took on the project breaking Norman to a writer and I can ride most anything. Well didn't always go. Well I climbed up in the saddle. Squeeze my legs together. Which was commanded to get into? You know go forward He didn't walk forward. It straight up. Did you ever try to get a saddle out from between your legs when you're eight foot in the air in coming down and there's no horse under you? I hit hard me the saddle still between my legs and I'm trying to breathe. Norman comes over and I swear to God. This is the truth is some other people. See It would verify norman. Come over then down. Looked at me like are you alright and lick my face like damn dogwood how everybody kept telling me. Mustang man and like any good handle the name stuck mustangs long career in trucking saw both the glory days and the long decline of the truckers. Today call it. The quote original Social Media Boards Heyday in the nineteen seventies when impromptu highway meet and greet for drivers. Cb coffee breaks some called. You got no guys at. You'd be driving down the road and see it coming on and Holler over a bear. Tab Is that you or hockey child is that you when friendships were forged over the airwaves. But we'd go along just BS in the Hallway. Always a social thing. Those things still happen but the steady rise. The cell phone did a number on. Cbs Culture among truckers on the vault. And everybody else cellphone. It became the downfall for a lot of things. One good thing makes it fairly simple to collect questions for podcast? If you've got a question about trucking dial seven six five four five four eight four four to ask the pros. He sure to state your name and location within a message. Gentlemen nine special is a feature of over the road for media. Tokyo and overdrive magazine is produced by Ian Costs and myself. Todd deals with support from Lacey. Roberts Palmar Hoffer and Jewish Shapiro. Thanks to the truckers whose voice you heard at the top. Steve Comedic Jason early wind and Walkabout Transport on her operator. Debbie Dingo visitor auto. Don't believe her go ahead and Google. Paul will be back with you next week all the way from Grand Island Nebraska until then ghostwriters over. Now do we'll catch you on the trail Emami Glass and the bears off your mail right radio.
Three Stops in Kentucky
"Back probably ten or eleven years ago we did a survey on the trucks that go up and down this road so we know now that we're doing at least in the twelve thousand trucks a day so we ever tiles delayed all the new people out here. Now we're here. We're with the interstate Nelson about your truck. There we advertise. Our Fuel. Products are votes faces. Everything's good here. You just want to take a break you know stopping and I was one of those new people once hauling down. I Seventy Five Kentucky. For the first time this was the late eighty s and difficult to understate the hunger for the human voice among your average truckdriver back. Then I mean you had your. Cb RADIO WHATEVER AM FM stations. You could pick up. Maybe a few verbal jabs from the forklift driver three hundred miles back and that was about it. Waitstaff Petite Kentucky truck stops understood that Unger all too well twenty below the sirens of the sea. Change that Drellich one dollar something about the way they called you honey. Just through the Yankee boys and like flies. Promise not to mention that one special. That's always on the menu and drivers. Don't forget homemade name. Manner Pudding can get you dislike of we free at these places all along. This stretch is seventy five over today on the show. We're going to settle once and for all the question of who started this. Whole manner pudding thing big. I'm taking you on a tour of my favorite Kentucky truck stops in here to exit talking about those little mom and pop operations that are still holding out against the big chains. The kind of places that used to have phones at each table and might not even have gas pumps just diesel. We're going to hit up. Three of these stops working our way south from exit seventy six to exit. Sixty two and finely exit forty nine. So sit tight. I'm long-haul Paul appearances. Radio Topiary and overdrive magazine. This is over the row. Hey listeners if you're a fan of over the road you may also enjoy carrier in immersive audio thriller from Q Code Media. The fictional series stars. Emmy Tony and Grammy Award winner. Cynthia a revolt as raylene watts. A long haul truck driver who somewhere along the lonely highway discover. She's carrying more than just produce. A rival leads in mazing cast. That includes Martin Star l'amour and Morris Dale dickey Lance rettig and Elliott Gould. Binge. All of carrier. Now subscribe wherever you get your favorite podcasts. These days a mom and pop truckstop as a dying breed. Part of the problem is that company drivers like me are actually instructed to fuel up. Only at one of the big changed ops like pilot and loves us because the more fuel our company is the more of Tiscali we get that puts these independent establishments at a real disadvantage. But even if I can't fuel here anymore I still like to wheel in when I can. Our these truck stops. Remind me of my better days as a trucker back when I was still sporting that mullet and a Tan back to not that reminded me of when I own that. Canary Yellow Western star. And tesol a seventy nine cents a gallon. Maybe it's like seeing an old relative who can bear witness to what you once were before life at. Its Way with you see an after I saw I was like Oh what him until it is carrying braves manager of the seventy six fuel center. I might forget your name but probably not your face. Once I say is one of those little accidents of history. The truckstop was originally built in nineteen. Seventy six right here at exit seventy six. That was just the name got because of the exit here but it's changed a lot since then the kind of place it just keeps growing under the pressure of pure necessity with no central planning whatsoever back many years ago. This little area that we're sitting here in was a truck warsh and then part of it was the garage when the owners decided to add on a restaurant they use what materials they have. This dining room here is actually a traitor from a truck namely the wooden floor and fiberglass sides of an old semi trailer and it was just cut out and pulled in and attached to the truck. Stop there part there. The restaurant was made onto that. And that's what you see in there now. My old friend big. Jim Calls at the dry box cafe. The walls are still lined with e tracks those metal strips that we use to secure cargo inside of a trailer. The floors are a hodgepodge of hardwood plan. Nolan painted plywood. Certain bombed-out beauty to it all repurpose long before repurposing. What's cool? You know we've been talking about the whole manor putting thing and the whole you know you know the arguments who had the first manner pudding can you? Do you want to weigh in on that Karen? Well I'M GONNA be honest with you. I actually think we did and here. It is the opening salvo miss. Jane built this truck stop in nineteen seventy six and that was won. Miss Janes famous things is the the NANDOR pudding. And that's all I've known I've been doing this thirty years and as long as I ever knew. Miss Jane Gunman's was the original lady. That started that right here. This little truck. Stop well there. You have it. The manner pudding you know. And and I'm honestly I do believe that we were the first so with our first testimonial in hand my wife Denise and I decided to sit down for breakfast. I just can't resist that pan-fried Kentucky. Cornbread it's a special treat to eat like this out on the road. That's because there's a lot of the big truck stops. There's nothing but fast food chains really and as often happens at a mom and pop like this. Find ourselves talking with the driver at the next table. I am Kathy. Simmons and I have been trucking for thirty four years and the MOM and POPs as we call them. No brand names no chains. No nothing and everything are falling by the wayside and I would rather sit down. Be Able to take my time to go ahead and have fast food. Which is what is pushed down my throat all the time. Cathy actually sees a connection here with the issue of electronic logging. Hours of service. Which we've been talking about since the start of the series. You're screwed. Pardon my French. The constant ticking of the fourteen hour clock and make it feel like a waste of time to stop for a meal. You know we have obesity truck and we've always had obesity but not like what we do now and part of that is because we're not able to stop we're not able to go ahead and actually. Kinda get out and just take our time because fourteen hour clock wants that sucker starts. There's no stopping. Kathy has an interesting perspective on all of this because he's actually been around truckstop since she was a kid. I can remember my mom. She used to work at a truck stop as a waitress. And she had her regulars that came in all the time all the time and eventually she became. One of those regulars like any longtime trucker. She's got her favorite stops Marlin truckstop. Casey Jones village the Ranch House truckstop boise stage. Stop in every corner of the country. Markle Texas Tone Apollo Arizona Ontario organs and Claire Wyoming going across die eighty in Nebraska rapid city South Dakota. She knows where the food is. Best Task Country Fried Steak. Best Mexican burritos are GonNa new portions. Our biggest state was good six to eight inches on the plane cakes or the size of a twelve inch plate half inch an inch and a half bit pork chop she also knows that these places are about more than just food and diesel. Go ahead and get the corner booth or go and push a couple of tables together. Ten twelve of at a time bullshit and pardon the French again. But that's basically what it is and that's what was the best about the mom and pops and everything is because you could do that and they didn't care. I wonder if that's why Kathy keeps coming back to these places because like me remind her of better days do we have the camaraderie that we used to have. No as she tells me the story we were on second husband coming back across fifty four one nine almost into Clovis New Mexico. She and her husband. Jerry were holding in convoy with reverse on the lead truck hit a cow and went off the road. He had to go to the hospital. His truck was still driveable. I drove a truck. Jerry drove his truck to the chokes up there in Clovis which took his keys into the truck stop told them where he was at and they ask is it reefer. Dry reefer is is the tankful yes it is will keep an eye out on it. We'll check on it. That's what we did. That's what you do. It's alone job in a way but also to you can meet people out here on the row. You can talk to him. You may never see him again and then again five ten years down the road you may run into him again at a truck stop. You may not remember the name but you'll remember the face and you'll go. Hey how you doing you know you know. We're a family usually happen at a subway. No it does not so. Yeah but where? I'm at today when I'm over here on seventy five. This is where I usually go ahead and stop. But if you know if they're still hearing another ten fifteen years will be blessed. If not the only way anybody remember is the stories that are told. Oh well we could easily sit and talk all day but it's time to move along to exit sixty to the Derby City South Truck Plaza. I usually stop at Derby City when I'm headed south. That's because there's a hard uphill poll when you get back on the interstate going northbound but there's a nice downhill slope going south. That's the way Venetian I are headed. So I fire up the the see what they're serving nervous. Copy only down there little Mama. I should really explain here that when one talks on the CB radio it's important speak like you're from two states south where you're actually from isis hair. I once carried on with a cowboy trucker like this for good three or four hundred miles through Pennsylvania New Jersey and onto the island's only to learn that old tax was actually a long island Jew. Me I was just a papis boy whose folks hailed from Chicago. Here's the thing though. Say you go down to Kentucky and talk on the she be like some toll that Westerner nobody will ever answer you but shallow bit like old. Carl just got released from the nervous hospital and well you can make friends pretty quick. I watch y'alls daily special. Listen Derbyshire there Bryan tanker trip. I got them out. Oh you got dad hazardous waste dirty. Laya bill water. Well now. That won't do now trying to get a hold a little mom over there saying. Hey Radio Ain't get now. I know the basic then. Through the static comes another voice. She Promises Fried Catfish free. Coffee and of course manner pudding so I will in to investigate the Derby City South Truck. Plaza is a different kind of place. It wasn't a truck. Wash the decided to serve food. It looks like an actual restaurant nicely appointed with booths and tables sure. It doesn't have the makeshift charm of the seventy sixer. But I have a special fondness for this place. Is She back in the great recession around? Oh eight when you might wait a week to get a load out of Indiana and money was really tight. I came up with a side. Gig What I do is I buy twenty or thirty watermelons down in Florida for dollar a piece by all them in the trailer with whatever else. I was hauling. Then sell them for two bucks two and a half bucks along. I seventy five. The Derby City was my number one spot. Thanks to this woman Janet. I worked here at the Derby City truckstop twenty-five years China waited tables and she would let me come and sell those watermelons right in the restaurant back then and seems John was always here always told the drivers. I wore out two floors in here twice as walking. Oh well I had never waitress perform alive. And My mother's neighbor was the manager here and she kept begging me to come to work here and it took her a year to talk me into. Because I'd never said I'm not waitress material. I was really shy backwards and these drivers brought me out of that quick. Some of them call me. The mud. Flap girl the girl under mud flaps. When I was younger they said was built like her. And that's what they would call me and I would say y'all hush this get it on the counter impose liker as get Outta here. Actually I met Janet because a fellow driver. I knew it was just crazy about her. I call him Jake. He came in and he was like. Oh my God oh my God check. The side of the channel looked exactly like a certain country music star. Tammy wanted he says I looked like tame to one so he called her tammy and it kind of caught on a lot of the customers. They would also call me. Dami in this one guy. He really thought that was my main. This is a type of nonsense at truck stop. Waitresses put up with all the time but Janet had a special way of handling ourselves with such drivers. Actually my first day on the fuel desk. I sold a record amount of fuel in you. Know what really don it? I would get on the radio and I'd say they say what do you look like us? It will honey. They call me four by four. I'd say four foot tall four foot wide and four hundred pounds into this Gibert came in said she's lying. Y'All said now you type your load with payer my bloomers like bad you know in the he said guys she's lying she's about Bob. One hundred twenty five pounds and she's Gorgeous. Well the rest of the day that kept on and on and on they were just pouring in here by fuel because of that she flat CB viral there for awhile. I've heard I've probably heard every pickup line. You could ever imagine this driver. Come in and kept aggravating. What my phone number. Sasha's made up a number and gave it to any came back a couple of weeks later. He said that wasn't the right number. I said what do you mean? That wouldn't right number. He said that was a nursing home. I said Hill. That's where I live. They let me come to work. Pay My rent but it was just a joke you know and he just died laughing and there's several times came really aggravate now would give him the sheriff's department phone number but I was always real quick with a comeback. You know drivers that. I always tell them. Don't mess with their man. You can't get nothing over but for me like when I worked here and I was raised in for kids by myself. You know my life of Saudi here was rough rough so it was like when I walk through these doors. I forgot about being a mother at home and it was like a getaway for me actually became a getaway because I cut up and carried on with the drivers so much and enjoy my job so much but then when I walked out the door I was back to be a mom again. You know this job really helped me. It really did. That's why I was here. The twenty five years. The person that said she couldn't be a waitress wasn't waitress. Material became to love it. Are WE ON RECORDING? Okay then you let her ex questions. Because I don't want a lawn after our lunch of soup beans and fried catfish were lucky enough to run into the owner of the Derby city. I am Evelyn Mitchell. Folks Color Miss. Evelyn and I live in Mount Vernon Kentucky. And that's where this Derby City South Truck Plaza sits exit sixty two. That's my favorite number busy woman so we get right down to business. So the mystery is the nanometer pudding where of the Manor Pudding Start? That's really miss. Evelyn says it all started right here in the country and they call the potato tater and tomato major and that Nandor pudding yum. Yeah come and get you saw. And I don't know it just caught on and everybody is came thing okay. We've heard this kind of argument before up at the seventy six but miss. Evelyn offers US her take wrapped in a history lesson. Let's see eye opening sixty eight. It started sometime in the seventies. I'd say and that's how we get into the unlikely story of how she became the owner of a truckstop. Al's Lake County Bougainville. Evan was born way out in the eastern tip of Kentucky. No Way to get there from here. She worked in the fields. I was strong and boy in the kitchen that know how to cook when a married on. Evelyn left home. She didn't know a CB handle was but we have several pots and pans and have handle and she didn't even like Country Music Wail. I listen to classical and I listen to Barbara Streisand Nat King Cole yet here. She is running a truck stop. It's a long story. But I was schoolteacher. Oldest daughter was in college and all at once. I couldn't pay for her tuition and so I said you'd have to do something different. And there was this little rinky-dink truck building. The bank was repossessing. It and they wanted someone to take over the payments. I just jumped in with both feet up to my ears and took it over just taught every day when over at nighttime and and yes I can do repair work. I know how to matter now. Drive nails out of Saul and how to hang drywall and how to finish it. So that's how I got started but it gets better because that was just her first truckstop. The Derby City North opened a nineteen sixty eight. She and her husband ran. That stopped together until she found out that he was stealing from her. Two things you don't mess with me. Mets my family and my money taken that money at least a bit of land then. He couldn't finish what he hit started. And so In order to keep himself out of jail and get my money back I took beliefs over. Built it from scratch and that bit of land is where she built the Derby city south where we're sitting right now. Nine thousand eighty six. We opened in when I came down. Here I'm going. Oh my God so just to recap miss. Evelyn has been in the truckstop aims and she opened her first business in nineteen sixty eight and according to her. That's where the natter putting started. He he had no and it spread across the country. There's copycats everywhere you know. She doesn't name names but there's no doubt who she's talking about our neighbor down there they picked up there saying and copied it. Couldn't you be talking about the forty Niner fuel center? Just down the road. That's the third of my favorite Kentucky truck stops after the break. We head there for answers. Introduce you to my favorite singing waitress. All of Appalachia you do now. The story behind the manor put Okay so we visited the seventy sixer. We've visited Derby city now. All this left has a forty nine exit forty nine days office south obesity. But you feel the difference. We are definitely in the mountains now. What they call the Cumberland plateau north and southbound route the forty nine fuel centers surrounded by nothing just hills and trees but when we stopped by the places busy. Typical is white on a hundred people or more. And we're in luck. My old friend genevieve is in the middle of a twelve hour shift. Wore a phone only for about a month and I average anywhere from six miles a day to fifteen to eighteen miles a day depending on how busy we are. We'll tell you how I became close with genevieve. Oh I've been coming in here for years and never set much early. Sometimes you could hear singing while she worked so one day. I took a chance and gave her my. Cd turned on. She was working on an album or self taught musician buddies dollar. Did the clay until here is mixed today. Some four wheelers stopping in for gas a retired couple in their RV more than a few truck drivers. I'm everbody psychiatrist. I'm everybody's nurse I'm everybody's bring your food. I'm ever I'm I'm a lot of things to a lot of drivers. But which has a spare minute to be gives us her. Take on the manner pudding seventy six or saying that started up there sixty to saint. It started with them. Do have an opinion on that. It started right here at the forty nine and life powder Nanu Nanu Nanu Nanu Putin for many many many years like miss. Evelyn genevieve has a theory. But I think they've just all three copied it because at one time the owner here was over all the other two turns out that the owner of the forty niner used to own. The other fuel stops not the restaurants but just a few business that fuel company called spur oil. Is the one connection. Between all these stops all came from spur oil. The plot thickens. I believe I'd like some manner pudding I figure it's time to get a taste of what this whole controversy is all about. Thank you we gotta get your first reaction to the Banana Putin I just when I think we've gotten to the bottom of this thing. Genevieve throws in another curveball. Awfully good manner. Put Nacala Banana Pudding because they call it manner put and you you do the story behind the manor. Put the story. Well it's a sexual story so I really don't want to comment on it as what Nanu Nanu Nanu or Putin is the guy the guys come and get the female. That's what the Putin is always thought that that undertone. Yeah putting we say banana pudding. Sure enough that Perry daily it hard for ourselves out on the rue manner. Now honey whiz just banana put your ass good day hunting. That's the truth the whole truth and nothing the truth you found the bottom of IT Q. At some of that out there I actually pulled a couple trucking buddies about this interpretation of the Manor Pudding. Neither of these guys are boy scouts but they both said they thought it was just putting and of story for Karen and Miss Evelyn. It's the same just pudding. But for many drivers I know there remains the certain mystique around the southern woman. She calls some flat better from Michigan. Baby over the CB and he just melts because ain't nobody calling him baby up there in flint so the manor pudding becomes an extension of all that there. Anything comes of it or not. There's still one more. Twist in this manner pudding thing but before we get there. I'm going to share a little more of genevieve story so after a shift she leads us down a series of winding country roads. Well this is my work home here in Eastbourne. Stay at what? She calls her work home. It's an RV trailer park. Tony French property actual homers in Hyden Kentucky more than an hour east of here in the mountains. I work two days on today's Office Forty Niner. Alima home at five thirty a M. I arrive at the forty niner at six forty five. Get off work after a twelve hour shift and sometimes longer and then. I go back to work the next morning and when I get off work I drove hour and fifteen minutes to return back to my hometown. And I've been doing that for quite some time. She does all that to support her family. That's an important thing to remember about these. Mom and pop truck stops for women like Janet genevieve. These places offered just enough money to raise four kids all on their own and part of the country. That doesn't have a lot of other opportunities. I'll I grew up in the most beautiful place in the world is there was no. There's no other place on. The planet comes from coal country. It's lots of mountains coal mining. Good people I grew up in a cul count what they call a CO count There was ten houses on one side of ten on the other. My father worked in a coal mines. It was probably now taller than what the table is. Run over there on his hands and as he worked for a dollar a day and then he got raised up to three dollars a day and we thought we were rich. He saved up enough money to buy Little House with the grocery store on it. That's where genevieve worked her first job. Serving up lunch for the coal miners. That I've I got married young and divorced young and might have family and had to take care much when she was thirteen when she had her first child. Nineteen when she got divorced. Then I want to work in the coal mines. I'd get dirty in black and code Al over me and little black things in you is that you couldn't get out and your hands were pitiful looking and it was rough for a woman rough. I was tomboy. Guess I did everything daddy did. And He'd used me for an example he'd tell him grown man if you worked as hard as that girl record did then we get something done and so now. How did you wind up working at the forty nine Was just going to Lexington one day and stop there to get gas and they had a sign in the window said they needed to white. You're so I applied. That's a long commute though from Haydn. A over there where I live. And it's just an all small town and there's for the Coleman's went down bad and things like that. There's a lot jobs. There's not a lot of work and now there's what three gas stations couple restaurants two or three pharmacies in one read lot. There's no hope there's no hope of landing a job there and God knows if I ever made it successful in live. I'm going to figure out how to get jobs. Those people yes I would. That would be my number. One go is take out a few mountains. Put an interstate in. Because if you don't have your interstates you can't get the goods to the people to make things successful in your community. I'm really struck when she says that about putting an interstate right through those mountains I mean what some might see as destroying the beauty of this place she sees as its only hope then again it kind of makes sense because that's where genevieve found her job working truckstop by the interstate and back to the manner Putin and then out of nowhere genevieve brings us back to the niner pudding yes After we spoke today earlier was speaking with Mar- USA kitchen manager at the forty niner. In Mark said the Banana Putin would have to go all the way back to the sixty two to Miss Evelyn. Because she's the oldest truck stop in this area of the three and that banana would have to start with her. Well I'd say for the purposes of this podcast. At least we can call the question settled. Credit has to go worker at it is due in the credit goes to miss. I have one still no. There will always be those diehard holdout to will never be swayed on this subject no matter the evidence in Kentucky Georgia. There's an old saying and trucking and this is a kind of saying you see printed on coffee mugs and keychains arguing with a truck drivers like wrestling the pig in the mud. Sooner or later you realized the pig just likes it so out here. I'm afraid that manner manner putting feud will never truly be settled just couple days after that conversation with Jenner. Be Passing through Kentucky again on my way to Florida as long as three truck stops are hanging on. It's always a tough call which one I should stop at for dinner but on this night I pull off at exit. Forty nine part of the draw here is this truck. Stop is located smack DAB in the middle of the Daniel Boone National Forest. And there's a walking trail right behind the restaurant once when I didn't know genevieve well. I told her I was going to hike that mountain behind the stop she said Mountain. I mean that driveway. There was no way I could live down being a hoosier flat-lander after that to this is no mountain ridge maybe but not a mountain. There's a hard hill at the beginning and then levels out deep in the forest. You can't hear the interstate anymore. The trees get very sick then after two and a half miles of this at the end of that walk is a perfectly manicured family cemetery. So you might think you're in the wilderness. But you're really not people live out here. Genevieve is right. I know it takes more than just a little ridge behind a truck. Stop to make a mountain the night of our interview and she and her husband. Dewey invited us into their immaculate on. They sang us as saw and I could hear the real mountains in their voices. Only hard road is the row. Daddy leaves he's Fanling Sense. Mommy went home. He's sure Termi Memories. All BS Gull Longley hard road. Is the NATTY. Leaves them when you over the road you can sign yourself to ally of relational brevity all these people you made. Genevieve Janet Karen people who should be passing acquaintances to become endeared to you just knowing they'll still be there becomes a personal treasure. Something you look forward to in another wise throwaway world you come to admire them. The people and the truck stops for their fierce resilience. There's parochial pride and claiming. Yes I knew Janet back when she was. Cbs viral luring in the freight haulers. Like so many flies. There's real satisfaction recounting the days when Karen and our late husband. Abner of the seventy six used to grill out at the fuel island feeding drivers like me and even charging a dime any holds her. Son You don't even will yourself into this family just happens just like how. Kathie and I started talking over our meal at the seventy six. Sometimes on those relationships are lost on the truckstop closes and those people are gone to you forever as into the ether kind of death for. I ten inch like me 'cause for morning here on lonely and roll along. Whom is the room? Daddy lose him. He's the sense. Mommy Mommy win home. Sure missile her memory all. He's long only Arnie. Room is the row. Johnny Leaves Long. Only hard. Road is the rolled Daddy John next week on the show. Our producer Lacy Jane. Roberts is taking out to Montana to meet the family. Did you miss your husband? Oh Yeah and they miss their dad to. We'll be talking about. How trucking affects those closest to us our partners and children. So you were the bad cop. Good cop thanks to everyone entrusted us with their stories especially Vicente of even dewey entrusted us with their song lonely heart road. We'll catch you next time over. There are over the road. Pit crew include producer and sound designer in costs and contributing producer. Lacy Roberts transmitter media are editor from overdrive magazine is Todd. Dill's our digital producer. Is Aaron Wade? Our product managers Audrey Markevic and our executive producer for radio. Topa is Julie Shapiro. I'm long all Paul. All the music on the show is by Ian cost and myself featuring performances by travis. The snake man Womack Terry to SOx Richardson Tissue Mingo. Jim Whitehead jenn grant. Call it the Lake Crepe Roger Clark and Mr Andrew Marshall Additional engineering by Donna Gullit down in muscle shoals Alabama special. Thanks for this episode. Goes to my lovely wife. Denise who wrote along with us in Kentucky while we recorded this episode for some reason and it's just me out here to be honest. It's tough to get anyone to open up. When did me says with me? Everyone wants to talk over. The road is made possible by support from the folks. I've worked for for a really long time. 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A Brief History of Trucking in America
"Hi My name is Reuben. Karen owner operator from Qasimi Florida. Quick no before we start. There is a later strong language and this one so far on the show. We've talked a lot about the culture of the trucking industry. It's the freedom of it. You gotta live it. Love it breathe. It lead it. We've heard about the importance of Freedom Freedom Freedom Freedom an autonomy. Ramon Ball your own boss about the pride and getting a job done right. Do what you gotTa do to get the job done on your own terms. This is not insurmountable sometimes. In spite of the rules chartered miles. Turn and burn and often in spite of the personal cost scares me a little bit honestly though some truckers even like to see that we are like the last American cowboys not dealing with people. Living by our own code. A loner apart from the rest of society. Do my own thing my my own rules but where did this culture of independence come from him? Okay this is I love the subject. We have to go back to food so today on the show talking history and also food some help from author and trucker Fin Murphy. Let's just dial it to about nineteen thirty three. That's where it all starts about food. Vince going to help us get to the bottom of this whole mythology of trucker says the last American cowboys take us on a journey that touches on everything from Mount Pre Bogart to the Lord of the rings from Ronald Reagan. To Franklin Roosevelt Roosevelt's basic problem was how am I going to boost farm incomes and provide cheap food at the same time? And that's the birth date of the American trucking myth culture and everything else that comes from This is over the road from Pierre. Xs Radio Topiary overdrive magazine long-haul When you're an over the road trucker part of your job is to Cavort with your brethren over coffee addressing the international geopolitical situation. Maybe the breakdown of the modern family all wow hurling invective at your fellow drivers who don't come from the same part of the country as you do. It's pretty much what we do. So you can think of this episode is just that a good old fashioned truckers only counter discussion between fen. While I sell way Fan and my colleague here at over the road the ball haulers daughter herself. I know it's over the top lacey. Robert this is the type of brisk repartee used to here at places like the TV room of the New England truck stop and Sturbridge Mass truckdriver. I've never veritable rotating think-tank in its day. Kenley North Carolina. Where some drawing? Denison the big boys truckstop with expound at length on all y'all Yankees Ruin Nash car so consider yourself warned. Things are about to get pretty heavy in here Okay I admit it. I discovered Finn's book the long haul while googling myself long haul let's face it. Nobody gets to own that phrase but still who was other long-haul guy two paragraphs in and I was hooked. Man could that guy right as I read the book I realized just how much Vin and I have in common well. It started when I was about seventeen and I worked at a gas station like me. He was a gas jockey and next door to the gas station whereas Callahan brothers moving and storage. Who looked up to the truckers? I was sort of an all of these guys because I see the sweat sort of caked on their tee shirts but like me then decided to go to college so that was my summer job was a local mover and Callahan. Brothers like me. He got three years in and then the summer of my junior year. I ran into this long haul. Driver Name Will Joyce and I took a road trip with him down to Virginia and like me. He dropped out. I was just bewitched by the whole life by seeing the country by the work and buy the money. I decided that I would get my tractor trailer license and do exactly what my friend will was doing. But this is where my story and Finns diverge. You see Finn took the high road in a sense following Willie. Joyce into that most artisanal form of trucking. That of the high end household mover. He's the guy you call when you need to move in eighty thousand dollar collection of Chinese artifacts into your new vacation home in Aspen very few truckers out there in to offend us. You have to be strong but also smart and able to mix with the well heeled clientele me. I suppose I wound up on a lower road. Polling reefers loads of lettuce pork loins watermelons food. That is my loads. Took me to the dirty side of towns to the old warehouses to the produce and the meat markets. I was awake when everyone was asleep with a lucky strike in my hand seeing what the old peak could really do in western Kansas. And all of it coming back to food out there with the cow trucks chicken haulers to hopper Baden's laden with grain rolling through the nameless fields of the great alone it all starts about food then was starting to explain it the Tom so let's hear him out in the late. Nineteen teens. The food cost for an American household was a significant portion of their annual income. I've seen numbers all over the place but forty to fifty percent maybe sometimes even higher so food costs are rising. And you have this nascent. Trucking Industry and it made it easier for small farmers to get their goods to market tremendous crowds which you see gathered outside the Stock Exchange. So let's just dial it to about one thousand nine thirty three. Fdr is elected president and remember now so we got a very depressed farm economy catastrophically depressed now that they join the army and so you had more trucking and truck capacity than the economy needed at that time. Nineteen thirty three thirty four thirty five. So the trucking companies were all cutting each other's throats underbidding freight rates. So we've got this three headed monster. We have high food prices. We have a trucking companies going out of business and then we have this farm catastrophe all happening the same team. Every dollar of our National Life Roosevelt Administration came up with a plan. They regulated the interstate trucking industry and the day the Motor Carrier Act of nineteen thirty five. Which is you know all of this sounds kind of mundane when you you know if you've ever talked to any trucker he almost everybody's GonNa know what the motor carrier act of. Nineteen thirty five is even if they if they have trouble. Reading are never finished high school. We know about the motor carrier act of nineteen thirty five. What it did is it. Regulated all aspects of interstate trucking. It set the freight rates for every single commodity. It was a federal offence to charge less than that and then it exempted agricultural products because the only place to square that Gordian Knot of higher farm incomes with cheaper food is to lower the transportation costs so they left farm products out of the motor carrier. Act that means starting after nineteen thirty five. If you steal say there was a minimum rate that you had to charge if you hauled cabbage. You negotiated your own rate directly with the shipper. I have a quick question Can you just sort of paint? A picture of what a driver's life was like before and after nineteen thirty five. Well there's a great movie. It's called they drive by night starring none other Humphrey Bogart. We got cut into which and it's about two independent truck drivers in the Nineteen Thirties. About what their life was like. I'm glad to finance it. Do you think you're kidding. You couldn't even pay for the head like anything out and what their life is like then as independent truck drivers is Humphrey Bogart is. He's sleeping under his truck on some country road because the truck breaks down. He's paying too much money to get repairs. He's not getting paid. The rate he thought he was going to get paid by the Commodity Guy who he contracted with governing. GonNa pay us now. And he's working too hard for too few dollars and then it turned into a good job after nineteen thirty. Five is what you're saying. It turned into a great job. At least it turned into a great job for some truck. I and it all started with those fixed freight rates so what happened after. Nineteen thirty five. Is that the trucking companies who had goods that were subject to the motor carrier. Act they will go to Washington every year or every two years whenever whatever it was and then they would lobby for higher freight rates and then the workers who are driving. These trucks realized that these companies were making lots of lots of money shall toes truckers started to organize our distinguished guest. This evening is day affect general president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters Union AF by nineteen? Forty teamsters were the nation's largest union with nearly half a million members artist and most powerful union in the United States nineteen fifty. They could claim more than a million members. Mr Beg Your Union. Controls everything from the delivery of divers to the driving a hearse. So what happened was the teamsters and the trucking companies together with going to Washington to set the fragrance. I certainly do work very closely with the best people that employ our membership so Labor's getting taken care of 'cause teamsters doing pretty good contracts for their people and I am interested in every industry employing our people. The trucking companies are getting the profit margins. They want because the rates are fixed so from nineteen thirty five to about one thousand nine hundred eighty all of the people regulated under the motor carrier. Act were reasonably happy. Well very definitely pull out. Thank you very much day. Beg for being with US tonight. And then left the drivers the truck drivers hauling agricultural goods who had none of that safety net at all. Why in the world would you hall agricultural products after Nineteen Thirty Five Watt? Who was doing that? And why and how people that don't WanNa Punch a time. Clock is a lot of people that don't want to be told what to do on a day to day basis and they're not going to become a teamster because they would view that as giving up a certain amount of personal American autonomy and those were the people that became the agricultural freight haulers called wildcatters called independence as a lot of different names for them but those people they would buy their own truck and then they would find their own loads a lot of times. Just driving up to farms. But a lot of time driving up to wholesalers things like that. Picking up a load of watermelons or you know what have you negotiated rate with that shipper? Deliver the item and then get paid for that and then do it again and do it again. But there was a higher level of independence for sure for many truckers. This wasn't some cultural choice. Between becoming a teamster and becoming an independent or wildcatter often. It just came down to where you were from. If you grow up in the rural south or Midwest where. There wasn't much to ship besides beans corn and cows. No one around there was going to give you a union card but before we go any deeper into the history. I'M GONNA pause for a more personal take on all this from one of my heroes. I'm getting too old. Forget I ninety three. You know someone who actually live to life jail house floor for a bed guild to well. I don't wildcat every day. Retired Indiana trucker and unfiltered world. War Two veteran the Belden Tornberg back name day. You didn't have term set. Growing long ago they all turned second. Where you had with your arms signal and you just place your lights. But it didn't have no we'll break. They didn't have no shopping. Forber selden was an independent trucker. This exact period we're talking about. I got fired streak. I'm from dish. Factor crag punch a time clock. I've always hated a union. Join the teamsters who over time got the reputation of being corrupt. You knew what you WANNA do. You got to do what they want to do. He take loads and other truckers. Wouldn't take I all. I LOAD UP BILL JACOB BLADDER. Ten roads or other truckers wouldn't go a lot of people died there 'cause it was so steep and he had no interest in being regulated in any fashion down logbooks way. Aw stopped by Seldon's house when morning to cook him breakfast. Now where did you? Did you start driving when you were in? The service? Delvin tells us his story. Today averaged twenty one years old. I got out of the service and I started driving for Ellis trucking in I drove there for. I don't know you're too. Then I start wildcat and back in the nineteen fifties and sixties. Delton was one of those independent truckers. Vin talked about but he didn't just hall agricultural products. He was a true wildcatter meaning. He'd Hall Steel Paper Dry Goods. Anything he could get in the wagon and he'd given under the table discount to the freight rates set by the Interstate Commerce Commission. That's what wild koetting was lack NAM days earlier. Quite a few wildcatters and we didn't hall ain't saying Oh legal error Zhang was illegal but you can make good money I she. She had high ray challenge and you all for cheaper but if he got caught us in trouble truckee called Big Al Big Al. It was a power liner with seven. Marie under the name was a reference to its rare allis. Chalmers motor made fifty. The Motor itself was keen at all and Purple. Truckers called it. The purple people eater ended. Day Pass anything on the road even if you go world one time got arrested today that scale before you got the continental divide hit another driver got busted up there for being overweight in me and that guy had breakfast together. Eyler FIVE THOUSAND POUNDS HEAVIER. Then he was. Joey said I'm going to show you away up over that continental divide and I say you do ask so. I hung back behind lanes. Thank he would get ned jump on me know when I went past st my going about forty miles an hour faster. He would got up over the mountain. I had him outside. But here's what I respect the most about them and yes. He drove fast yes. He broke the rules but he did those things out of a profound sense of personal responsibility. I take a net to keep me awake except oranges. Yeh All I ever did you. I buy me a whole pack of big naval oranges down there in Florida and time. I'd get Sweet grass I'd have about two layup in fact. He prided himself on his safety. If you're wildcat and you have no in urge US careful. He was governed by an Interior Code. The amount of safety that you got is within yourself not deter up and I drove over them truck by million in two hundred thousand miles and never did have a chargeable accident precision. It was all distilled down to taking care of the load doing what you said. You do. Look a man in the eye. Giving him your word you'd be there. Some others like to work logbooks skill masters speed limits were impediments obstacles. That had to be circumvented. I would still ally in your work. I wanted you to hear all that so you can understand where the culture around independent irking comes from guys like Feldman who flat love to work hard and do things their own way and in part because of the motor carrier act of nineteen thirty five. That culture comes from rural America. Because that's where there was food to be hauled things were different around the cities along the coasts where teamsters were host dominant but all that was about to change. We restored competition to the marketplace. And I take some satisfaction that this deregulation legislation after the break. We pick up our conversation with Finn Murphy. And we'll hear how the whole regulatory system Delton grew up in was turned. Let's head bet. Each generation of Americans has a rendezvous. Were they different reality? And in a sense we all became wildcatters So thin told us about the motor carrier act of nineteen thirty five and how it basically split trucking into parallel industries agricultural and non-agricultural. That all changed in nineteen eighty. But before we get to that. Let's take a little road trip through time. In this century America has become a nation on week after World War tune. Trucking quickly overtook rail as dominant mode of freight transport. The food we eat the clothes we wear the things we do but when we depend on wheels we depend also on highway in nineteen fifty six. The Eisenhower Administration started work on the interstate system responded with the Federal Lane Highway Act of Nineteen fifty-six providing the staggering with the interstate across country trip. That used to take weeks could be running on Mir days. It'll be able to drive from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean and from Canada to Mexico without a single stop light or stop sign and the Turks changing to govern and a half cousin customer deal. They had power steering error seats. Essentially the job became a lot easier. And a lot more comfortable. They can pull a forty foot trailer. Loaded with seventy six thousand pounds of cargo. Eight hundred fifty miles without refueling. By the time the nineteen seventies in full swing. There were more than four million heavy trucks working in America. Breaker one nine necessarily copy on me. Big Fan come on. They were all over popular culture to the burden. Like we got us. A convoy. Truckers often portrayed as cowboys and outlaws with a truckload of bootleg beer. This has banned at one. And that is part of this same methology. We've been talking to defend Murphy. We only time clock. They've got the country at one of their head because out in the roads. They're on their own reality. Though was at most truckers didn't fit the cowboy description for most trucking was simply a decent middle-class job with solid benefits with pensions. In in certain ways it was the golden age of truck driving and for trucking companies but the whole industry and culture. Trucking took a big turn leading up to the nineteen eighties. The Rub of course and this is how the deregulation Juggernaut got going is that consumer prices just kept rising because transportation costs just kept rising. And there's a big groundswell to lower consumer prices and the best way to do that. According to some people in the government was getting rid of the supports that we've already talked about a strange coalition came together to push for deregulation of the trucking industry. It included some independent truckers. Who were hoping for more freedom. In what freight they could legally hall but it also included some of the regulators themselves consumer APP manufacturers of all shapes and sizes and of course the retailers bought stuff from them together. They took their concerns to legislators in Washington to say essentially the Roosevelt administration is still running the trucking industry and we need to bring competition into trucking and they did while others talk to free. Enterprise was the Democratic Party that acted and we ended excessive regulation and the airline and trucking industry. And that's when the motor carrier act of nineteen eighty came in and great rates. Were gotten rid completely together. We have cut the growth of new federal regulations nearly in half and the end dinner pendant truckers who favoured deregulation dot what they wanted to so now anybody in America could haul any item for any price that they can negotiate with the person paying ship. So let's let's dial back to Nineteen. Eighty deregulation has occurred. And can you talk about how the entire trucking industry changed in one thousand nine hundred? Yeah so overnight. We went right back to nineteen thirty four. Before nineteen eighty while trucking rates were being regulated and updated every couple years there was no incentive to thin out management ranks there was no incentive to save fuel it was no incentive not to buy new trucks every couple years there was no incentive not to do whatever the teamsters wanted you to do and that just doesn't go for. Moore's that's goes for everything that was being transported in the United States and then the day after deregulation. I'm still charging hundred and seventy five dollars an hour for two men and a truck and then the mover next door. Says I'M GONNA charge you one hundred and fifty dollars an hour and then the move next door to him. Says I'M GONNA charge you one hundred and thirty dollars an hour in the movie next door. Says I'M GONNA charge you one hundred dollars an hour. So the freight rates basically were cut in half overnight and the big big freight companies that were stuck with a lot of management and these teamster contracts. We're going bankrupt The American labor movement as a whole is struggling. Just find the whole time. There's no down. Union companies took a beating after nineteen eighty. Hit A low point. There's no Russian about. That's one reason. Union membership has been dropping to less than nineteen percent of the workforce last year the palm bad independent truckers and startup companies could now get official authority to haul stuff like steel and paper. Frantic guys like seldom used to only haul under the table. Mr Garrison foresaw the opportunity that would come from deregulation in the trucking industry and decided to get back in the business. This change spawned a whole new class of entrepreneurs. Okay get in the game and compete with the big journey. They began American freightways which has grown today to a million dollars. Remember will choice. Vince friend. Who got him into tracking in the first place? Well he was one of those entrepreneurs in nineteen eighty one. Joy started his own company. Joyce van lines with just two trucks and quickly could into a nationwide operation. People like will joyce who came after nineteen eighty who were not saddled with union employees. Those are the guys that one my Johnson reports. This is a trend. That union leaders are battling the days of the automatic raise every time a contract from the over. The government says money of everyday drivers ditches fine after deregulation but the broad picture mirrors the rest of the working world. We all seem to be working more and more for less. And lastly pay cuts averaging about ten percents getting is about the membership. The forgotten eighteen eighty five the inflation rate. Here's the hard truth of truckers average. Take home paying one thousand. Nine hundred eighty was just shy of forty grand a year. That kind of money would be worth more than one hundred ten thousand dollars today. You can find trucker's you pull six figures these days but they're not exactly the rule. The average take home. Pay Is Nowhere. Even close between fifty or sixty thousand per company drivers and up closer to seventy thousand for owner operators show Okay but I do want to get back to culture here. What happens to the culture of trucking after nineteen eighty? Well that's a lot. That's a great question because The Union drivers that I knew on the East Coast back in the seventies and stuff had a different way of conducting themselves and comporting themselves and dressing themselves. I'm a professional. I'm a middle class. Guy. I'm not one of those guys meeting the independent wildcatter down at the truck. Stop and he's the guy hauling the agricultural goods who's got the rural routes is either from the Midwest or the south. He doesn't want to work in a factory. It does want to punch a clock for the. Teamsters wants to kind of run his own business. He's the one who sees himself as a latter-day American cowboy and he's the one who's wearing a cowboy hat and the cowboy boots and the big belt buckle and the plaid shirt and talking real loud to the waitress in the coffee counter. That's great that's fine but what happened after deregulation was those professional guys. The Union guys. The hourly guys. They didn't have anything left because what they used to do. To put their chest out was on a teamster and I'm middle-class when those two things disappeared. They're just another sharecropper on the road like everybody else getting paid by the mile so as the union and professional middle class men began to disappear. The other truck drivers that are working for other companies. They adopt the cowboy myth. Ooh because now they're living in the same penury and misery that the independence were. I totally get it to a certain extent. I agree with it. I have to be something and something that can make me feel good and so therefore I'm going to be the last American cowboy. Can I just poke at this a little bit more because I think that you've you've explained it very well? But this is this myth of the cowboys. Something that impove talking about a lot and I still don't get it like I just don't understand why the drive to being independent is enough to make you live in poverty. Like that in the way that you describe. Okay well I think a lot of these drivers member now coming from the Rural Midwest and the rural south and the rural West. These people have already seen what government intervention has done in the farm business in the railroad business. There's an anti-statist Anti Union bias built in to these folks. That goes way before any sort of cultural wars. This goes back to what they consider to be. The pioneer guys in the CONISTON wagons making their own way in the world. This is who I am. I WANNA speak to to your point a little bit because I am Moreau Midwesterner. Who in so many ways? does embody nearly everything you say there is something about the circumvention of the law that becomes a drug and then all of a sudden you know a guy says well. I just went down to Florida with one hundred. Seven thousand pounds dodds scales all the way made thirty five hundred dollars clear like well if you can do. I can do. And that that becomes a thing. It becomes a pure dependent thing and it does become its own culture. If if you were to do a you know a roster of handles from truck drivers you know the the three most popular names are GonNa be Outlaw Lone Ranger and bandit and that just underscores what Paul was saying. Is You know we're giving the middle finger to the rest of society where we're living in our own society here as you can probably tell. Finn does kind of look down on the whole cowboy trucker culture. I mean you don't show up to move the CEO of a fortune. Five hundred company all dressed up like Yosemite. Sam that just won't fly but the funny thing is even as he eloquently. Deconstructs the myth. I know he's never completely divorced from it. So here's what I do in our interview. I fin one of my favorite passages from his book. The long haul way drives all the way down to key west only to discover that as load has been given to another carrier. And you get screwed off a low. And you call your dispatcher. Vieri a turns out that his dispatcher Gary has sent him on a five hundred mile. Wild Goose Chase naturally finished furious and this is what he says you say. I pity you. Gary you know what? I just figured out about truck drivers for all their pitiful myths most of them do this stupid job for one reason they can look themselves in the. I honestly say they've held to their own standards without caving in to pressure by society or somebody else's expect agents they might fuck up and they do but they own their fuck ups and keep to those standards regardless of the personal cost. I'm a truck driver to fuck you. Gary Keep your split level and Fort Wayne. Raise your kids to become cogs. The machines I live by different standard that I just figured out. All these cowboys. I've looked down upon their better than you for all their faults. I here we are. We're what now twenty thirty nine years after. Nineteen eighty and yet. This seems to be the thing that we all grapple with as living by our own codes. Our own standards. And can you speak to that? I'm not to tell you I just. The chills went down my spine. Because I mean it's just that is it's sort of a declaration of an anthem which I hold and and you're right I'm completely ambivalent about the myth excoriate it on the one hand but then I'm also bound up with it too. It's like Ghalem in the ring. He no column hated the ring of power but he loved it too. And I'm trucking me is key is kind of the same way. I like you know Weirdos. I like people with opinions. I like people that have done something different with their lives and I like to hear about it. I like to talk to those people. I like to be around those kinds of people and you can still find those people in trucking. Because if you can't get anywhere else you can fit where you don't have to fit it all and that's as an independent driver so yeah it is a place for people that can't quite toe the line and in certain other ways and it's going to be a tragedy when it goes day after talking to thin. I've got a load of milk to haul I. She rides along now. We're unsure fear. Talk a little bit about the importance of coffee detractors. Were we're all this and search for the strongest off a possible we? We believe that there's no such thing as coffee. That's too strong. There's just people that are too week. We find ourselves in the Agricultural Mecca of West Central Ohio hauling by silos steeples cattle. Feel each. Yeah. Wow No kidding you make this strong do strong. Nope not too weak. Paul wasn't suggesting shame and saying it's too strong. That doesn't mean you're definitely shame and saying it's too strong. What are you talking about Bob? When Penn talks about those people who can't quite toe the line in Society? He's talking about guys like me. Those shiftless narrative wells. Who never quite fit in out here in this lonesome. Old Farm picking up dropping off an empty trailer. Trucking gave me a place in the world. It took my family out of grinding. Poverty came the best friends that I have on this earth and like Finn Senate in there it feels like it's all starting to disappear. Electronic logs digital freight apps the kind of stuff we've been talking about the last couple of episodes not to mention the onboard cameras and autonomous trucks. These things are changing the culture of trucking for better for worse so as we drive down the road. I tell you this story about one of those old friends of mine and the culture that we shared heaven was my old boss. He overheard me playing my guitar terminal an astronaut Song. That was. I said it's one I wrote said. Well what are you doing with that? Messed Up Guitar. As I had accidentally sat on this guitar that my daughter gave me a through. The sleeper is tired one night. I sat on an Brogan held together by duct tape off. Baling wire doing that mess. I've been far in this one. I got married two weeks later. Kevin gave me this beautiful black epithelium guitar and all he asked said I play a few songs for the boys in the Warehouse Kevin was an old produce Holler and he and I understood each other. The bond thieves and bandits when we did they say to need diesels is down so we came hills. Anne how just to work and broken line. She taking a truck with a pig. Bomb chemical comes superbe chilly. It was just a mobile around in shock Bernie Sanders and Detroit's on us now and a now I knew there was a pound thieves and bandits between US golden age of look. Good old boy toy. Another thing about my buddy Kevin. He's from Kentucky and he has strong opinions about which truck stop has the Best Nandor Putin on I seventy five. No matter how much you weigh no matter how full you was you had to get the player manner. Put to go so in our next episode. We're going to settle that age old question once and for all and believe it or not. We drove from Dayton Ohio to the forty nine manner put. That's good putting you can beat it. We're taking a tour of my favorite Kentucky truck stops or we're also meet my favorite singing waitress. Busy make that twelve hours. Go by real quick. Catch you next time over the road. just takes on to mini straight shots to Miami to few Masson. Mallon hand to carry me back home. Shelvin broken bonds left scars upon hand. Now it's all nineteen. A little hobbled went along. They don't come back on my time. Just trying to stay out of the way the record clean and they tell me there and compliance more like to own a beat. I still dream about those days. Used to be Queensland spare room or on that on on the cool backs out of banning triple regionalized car in Over the road pit crew includes producer and sound designer Ian Costs and contributing producer. Lacy Roberts a transmitter media are editor from overdrive magazine. As taunt dill's our digital producer is Aaron Wade. Our project manager is Audrey Markevic and our executive producer for radio. Tovia Julie Shapiro. I'm long-haul Paul. All the music on the show is by Ian Carlson myself performances by Travis. The steak men. Wa- MC Terry to Suck Richardson Tissue. Mingo Jim Whitehead. Jan Grant Gullit the link. Great Roger Clark and Mr Andrew Marshall Special. Thanks this week to my fellow writing trucker Fin Murphy. 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The Long Haul: Busman's Holiday
"Radio is from. Px Radio Topiary. This radio. Diaries I'm Joe Richmond. Before we begin today's story we want to welcome new show into the radio. Topi network over the road tells the stories of American long haul truckers personally. I've always been curious about the lives of truckers. Actually out with a of them back in my college hitchhiking days. But that's another story. I'm really excited about the show. And to celebrate over the road we and the other Radio Tokyo shows or releasing episode inspired by the theme. The long haul. Our long haul story doesn't take place on the semi truck it takes place on a municipal bus. This is Busman's holiday in nineteen forty seven a New York City bus driver named William Similar. Oh became for a few weeks the most famous bus driver in the country. I read a bunch of accounts of what he did. But my favorite is from this TV interview. It enfolds kind of slowly. But that's kind of why it's so great pepsi-cola Everson again. Do you ever think of getting away from it. All A bus driver had that same feeling and he made headline in the country. So ask him to come up here and tell us all about how do thanks to sit down and they got a cheer. Abc's right here. Thanks John Van. Let me stop this for a second. Describe what's happening. It's black and white footage. The set of the show is a living room complete living room everything window blinds paintings on the walls credentials to a Butler hands. The host. They Emerson silver tray with a bottle of Pepsi and glasses. Ben Fey pours our guest drink. Tell us what happened. Lender Four. Well it's one of those things. I was not a job about twenty years and everybody got tired of it. All up and down every day the same people the same stops nickels dimes transplant. Well this morning I thought I'd try something different. Come out of my garage instead of making a right kind of off my road. I thought I'd make I thought you'd really get into it so I made this left and I went West Towards George. Washington bridge was a beautiful sunshiny. Santa Washington vigilance and Jay and I stopped for breakfast after breakfast back in his bus all this time he was supposed to be picking up passengers along as usual route from gun. Hill road two hundred fifth street in the Bronx and instead he had south on u s route one similar had been a bus driver with a surface transportation system of New York for seventeen years without any problems. You went to work every day. People say he never complained in fact in recognition of his long and committed service similar had recently been given a brand new bus for his route. Bus number thirteen ten bright red with cream trim in a similar drove further away from New York City and from his route. He switched the destination signs from subway to special hours past right when I was watching and I was right in front of the White House ever been to Washington before their stock decided. Look around around. Fifteen twenty minutes when I come back as a policeman standing by the bus in the ASS. Macy's what are you doing here with this big bus restricted parking lighthouse light in front of the client waiting for delegation of union official. They're up the arm. Business Pretty Fast. So some mellow kept. Driving South even said picked up a hitchhiker. A sailor drove with him for two days then on the third day similar one. His boss arrived in Hollywood Florida. Just north of Miami. He said he went for a late. Night swim very it was at this point? Williamson Miller was thirteen hundred miles from the wrongs thirteen hundred miles from his bus route from annoying passengers from New York City traffic and from the daily grind and he was almost out of money you went to the Gulfstream race track similar like to gamble. It's unclear how much money he put down but he left the racetrack with two dollars and sixty cents in his pocket that day. He also went to the closest Western Union and sent this telegram to his boss with disabled bus number thirteen. Ten stop in need a fifty dollars. Stop Send Money Hollywood Florida. Stop some some waiting at the Telegraph officer. The money to police become over she wanted. I said what full assistant stealing a bus baggage the bosses. They gave it to me one way or the other this still arrest in similar mind or at least what he said on TV. It just wasn't that big a deal. He was taking a breather from his regular life. The three-day coffee break. You did what everybody always wanted to do was get away every what I wanted talking about. Getting away from enroll. If you are planning to get away from it all you may not know that no matter where you go you're almost sure defined findlay sparkling pepsi-cola waiting for you. We'll continue with our story in a minute after a word from our own sponsor this episode of radio. Diaries has support from stream. If you're paying interest in your credit card balance each month you are not alone and Light. Stream is here to help. It's easy to lower your interest rate and save the light stream credit card consolidation. Loan get rate as low as five point nine five percent. Apr With auto-pay new customers have been sharing their experiences with light stream. One said that after months of trying to consolidate their debt they tried light stream and it was easy. 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So the cops actually put Kamilo back behind the wheel and then right before they arrived in New York City. They switched drivers again. They put the mechanic back at the wheel of the boss and similar dutifully got into his handcuffs. So here's what happened next. As the bus pulled up to the steps of the Beech Street Police Station in Manhattan. Hundreds of people gathered and they were cheering in photographs. Uc smell o being led through the crowd by the cops and he has a huge smile beaming over the time. It took to drive back from Florida to New York. News had spread about the bus snapping Williams mellow had become a folk hero. Williamson mellow the Bussmann who took a holiday and Bravo. What a holiday just wanted to drive. Feel the Tang of spring in the Air Bussmann in the Bronx greeted passengers today with a cry all abroad for Florida. Spring and now here's Don elda that was NBC. The Daily News wrote. It must have been a wonderful trip and we hope bills boss would try to understand the New York world telegram. We know just how he felt who hasn't yearned for escape for change for fair racine's from as far away as Michigan the traverse city Eagle wrote across the nation today thousands of office workers and laborers went to their humdrum jobs with hearts a little later because of what William Elsa Mellow did to escape the same kind of boredom that fills their ordered lives similar was indicted on charges of Grand Larceny. He was facing up to ten years in prison. Similar fellow New York City bus drivers you'd think would be the least sympathetic people in the country to his whole joy reid. They organized a fundraiser to pay his legal fees. Letters and telegrams of support came in from around the country the Court of public opinion was delivering its verdict and soon the surface transportation system of New York decided to drop the charges. Not only that. They gave him his job back on his first day. Back on the route. A line of people waited to ride similar boss. One article reported that after school. Let out three hundred fifty screaming high school. Girls tried to get into. It's forty four seat bus. Ignoring three other buses they wanted his autograph in the end. Williamson Mellow was incredibly lucky. He took a huge leap fled home. Cut Out in his job committed a crime and he got away with it because people love the story for the rest of his life. He was that guy who took a city bus to Florida. He had his day in the Sun. This is Richard Similar. Oh the bus drivers son. His Dad died in nineteen seventy five. Felt like a star. I guess it was recognized. Wherever it went wasn't just another bus driver. You know it was somebody I guess. That's what he felt. Say it. So begrudgingly are because you know. Every time we went out every place we went there was always you know like a movie star. Let me put it that way you know and if a while I think my mother got tired and I got tired of it all you know what I'm saying. But he never got diet. Richard and his family never found the story as charming as most. New Yorkers did starting with the day their Dad's stole bus number thirteen ten. Let me explain something to was twelve years old at the time and if they come home from school. My mother was crying when my what you crying while he didn't come home. I wonder where he is only come home for supper and all that and the next day same thing then come home not a phone call so call the garage then areas. The bus never come back at a garage just disappeared and we used to gather together at my grandmother's house. My mother crying. My grandmother crying was like a wake. You you're twelve years old at the time. What did you think might have happened either? The bus ran off the road. Someplace maybe into a lake. This is as a meeting. You know maybe there was a big accident that nobody knew about so i. I really thought deep down that he must have died. It wasn't till his dad was arrested in Hollywood Florida at the family finally knew what had happened in newspaper articles at the time similar gave reasons for why he took his bus trip. He said the bus and started to feel like a squirrel cage tinkle of the nickels and dimes. Dropped the fare boxes. Driving him crazy said that one a lot with the judge his defense was spring fever. Some articles pointed out that he had gambling debts and asked. Is that why he took off so suddenly Richard says he never sat down with his dad and really talked about why he did what he did. Even as an adult was a true his dad got the idea when morning to spontaneously drive to Florida like. He said he didn't plan at all. Did you really think he'd get away with it and the biggest question? I don't know if my mother s why didn't you call? I never ask. He never called not a word you know. I looked up to him over the mice father but if the Florida incident not had problems had promised to look at that was a tough time for me. Even now the word he uses when he talks about his dad's bus trip is embarrassing. But there's someone else in the family who has a completely different take on this. Richard's younger brother. Dennis quick has up. Their voices are remarkably similar. It's a good thing to me to me. He's my hero. You know. There's one simple reason. The two brothers see this so differently. Dennis was just a baby when their father disappeared. He doesn't remember any of it. He doesn't remember his mother and grandmother crying. He didn't think is data driven into a lake. Didn't pick from dead in an accident. Dennis's vision of the whole thing is closer to easy rider if easy rider took place on a municipal bus. I could just see my father when the pedal to the metal just going to keep on going in the joy of just looking out the window and driving the way. My father was being carefree. And say you know what I'm just driving. I have nothing on my head. Had No pressure today. I have nothing going on. Let me keep on going. Dennis has a collection of memorabilia about the bus up. He pulls out a large Manila folder on the front. That says Dad's event there dozens of old photographs articles and videotape with footage from nineteen forty seven. Good end of the basement to watch it from an old newsreel. That was taking at the time. Really sure pressed the bus from An. It's his dad arriving back in New York right now. He's being escorted into the courthouse going in front of the judge in being arraigned very now. Now Richard the older brother. You told me about this same newsreel. He'd seen it. The WIKI was actual news in a movie theater when he was twelve. I'm sitting there in the sudden. Boom my father's pitches up on screen and I'm lookin. There was stunned. You see father as a kid. Handcuffed detect those on both sides of bringing them into the courthouse. I duNno know I. I don't know anybody that would feel proud of something like that. So that's the older brother Richard but here in the basement with Dennis his take on this. I enjoy every minute of it just makes me idolize him which I could do things like that. Sometimes in a way of small way Dennis has done that he sees himself as a free spirit. Says he got that from his. Dad doesn't worry about things too. Much likes to gamble. Started his own businesses distributing beer and soda. He was his own boss which meant no pension no paid vacation. No SECURITY NO GUARANTEES. And he says it's different from his brother chose and Richard. The older brother would agree with that. The lesson Richard took from his father story was to be a responsible person to think about the consequences of his actions. Richard worked all his life is a fireman which oddly calls a safe job. He's retired now but as it turned out when I interviewed Richard. He and his wife. We're getting ready to drive to Florida. Has He said the legit way. Did you ever want to do something? Like what your dad did you ever will know. No no I I knew. I didn't WanNa do some drastic because that that is the biggest difference between my father and me. My father never worried. Nori the rental be paid. Don't worry we'll go food on the table. Don't worry that my worry about everything. I worry about my kids school. They go to college at worry about the snow. I wish my father never worried about nothing. My father not leave. You know I worry I know sleep nights a pause and tying. I've still didn't as much. I wish I could live the wish not worry after. Richard's Dad William Similar got his job back in nineteen forty seven. It went on to drive a bus in the Bronx for the next sixteen years with no detours once a reporter asked him. Did you still think about it? The open road turning left and heading across the bridge again smell said yes he thought about it but when you tell somebody joke he said it's never as funny the second time each there's money road ahead you know. Mind what it said a all these things by shadow that D. Two aside or story Busman's holiday originally aired on this American life. Thanks IRA glass. And the entire staff for the raiders by me Joe Richmond Surrogate Kramer and. Nellie Gillis our editors are George Ben Shapiro. Redo dyers is part of the Radio Tokyo network from PRI six and you can hear all the shows at Radio Tokyo Dot FM. Down as I mentioned at the top. This episode is part of the network wide. Welcome for a brand new radio. Tokyo show over the road. In Partnership With overdrive magazine the show explores the daily life and culture of trucking in America. Host long-haul Paul has driven a truck for nearly forty years. And he brings you along for the ride. Here's a taste of the show. I want you to think about the last time you took a long drive you pull onto the freeway and merge into the Center Lane. Take a sip of coffee and set the cruise control. Then around the bend. You see the back of a tractor trailer as you come alongside the cab. You can just make out one arm slung over the steering wheel as you look for just a second. You wonder where sat truck going? What's incited and who's that person behind the wheel? Well there's a slight chance. That person was me. I've driven a truck for almost forty years now. There was some help from the good folks at radio. Tokyo and overdrive magazine. I'm GonNa take you along for a ride. I'm long-haul Paul and this is over the road to find out more and subscribe good over the Road Dot FM. I'm Joe Richmond of radio. Diaries thanks for listening for we go. We want to let you know that our friends at your hustle or back for season five with brand new stories from inside San Quentin prison. 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Channel One-Nine #3
"Hey folks todd dill's from overdrive magazine. We'll be back next week with episode four over the road but in the meantime I'm here with another Channel One nine special today. We're talking about music but do truckers listen to out on the road. A lot depends on taste of course so we went ahead and put out a call and see be garth Brooks Keith. Whitley Air Naval and down Harry Connick Junior Travis trid George Strait George Jones. Some familiar names in there for sure. But here's one you may not know ric that'd be the tone justice troops. She can can game between the labs. He's like the Merle haggard trucker songwriters. Both the quintessential example and inspiration to legions of others. County best. Tony Justice you're hearing right now. My Name's Tony Justice. I've been driving trucks just two thousand twenty years in January out of museum asleep. Tony is an old friend of overdrive so we thought well who better to run us through something but trucking playlist and greater fuel consumption mason mom shrinking and music. I don't remember the not ever beans in my life. My mother was an amazing singer. I mean she was Dolly Parton Loretta. Lynn Tammy wine all rolled up and worn and my dad was trucker. You know just I. Just don't ever remember the two not being a part of life. Over the past ten years Tony Justices paid tribute to many of the truck music classics at six days on the road from his first trucking team record and twenty eleven pitch. Roll down at eastern seaboard. Of course. Here's the most famous version cut by Dave Dudley. In one thousand nine hundred sixty three. Don't have cop inside stays on the road and I'm going on get home after it came out. Six days on the road was D- Template for truck driving themed music. We actually did a poll years back on the best trucking songs all time six days on the road came in number one among our audience owner operators inside the Rogan Omega home. Merle haggard now the old truck and big we use load AAC weasel in that right. There is another Tony. Favorites Merle Haggard. He's moving on. I like about tap. Music is just make sure mine is laugh. It'd be one in bad days a turn your radio on them and get your little escape for doing what the best no hat sounds kitchen teddy bear teddy bear by read so vine this one clocked in third on our poll. By the way I was on the outskirts of town trying to reach my destination before the sun went down. It tells the story of a young boy who talks to truckers at home over. Cb He inherited after his trucker father died in a wreck on the radio live and he song. The boy laments that he'll never get to ride in a truck again since his father's gone. I guess it's all over now. Manetti is gone and when he says this over. The air. Every trucker within earshot shows up for a convoy with teddy bear. That's the boys handled me riding in the lead truck. That kind of passion always been sending that triggers have always had and I think it's because we have so much time with our own kid as truck drivers in our family but just automatically at rising they tune when it comes to trudge journeys that we make as drivers for so many things that are comparable to the journey. Didn't everybody makes one of the reasons. Why trucking industry and then more than any other industry combined out forty acres this bigger and Tony's own songs have done a lot to rebuild the old bonds between music and trucking culture which had faded somewhat since one thousand nine hundred seventy S. I thought I'd let him play out with one of his latest singles which also happens to be quite appropriate to our recent episode about the history of trump song is called lasted the cowboys. Radical explains Prairies Rocky Mountain off to the distance sky black smoke side by side spoiled in Jerusalem. Y'All way we're the last of the campus go eighteen you run across Arizona six thirty or seven o'clock in the morning and you're cutting across that desert. You got winding down and radio turned up. That's why we do what we do. It can't really be explained but it makes you. It makes you feel like you know one of the guys at the phone. The Pony Express delivering the mail across the desert and to be there at a certain time. You know you just just get that same convenient. Last as American cowboy you know freedom freedom of the road and see that slowly disappearing vein is one of the elements that really poster Nest Song bolstered. Indeed last night check. The video had turned nearly six million views and yet all the success. Tens of thousands of CDs sold in truck stops walmarts and so much more. It's just not quite enough to peel the man away from his truck today. Justice pulls a dry box for transportation running out of Dandridge Tennessee and a peterbilt. He calls purgatory. That's IT for Channel. One nine back with more in a couple of weeks channel one nine specials feature of over the road from Radio Topa and overdrive magazine produced by Ian Costs and myself. Todd dill's support from Lacey Roberts Palmar Hoffer and Julia Shapiro. Paul will be back next week taking along his favourite mom-and-pop truck stops at Eastern Kentucky. Until then you can listen to. Tony Justices latest album at Tony Justice Music Dot Com and learn more about his truck advocacy work at trucker nation dot org and thanks to the truckers whose voices you heard over the radio. Top Mum were dock and Tinker Bell. The owner operators otherwise known as Daniel. And Phyllis snow justices fellow seeing Haller Brad. Shadow James Doug sparky has ner and Little Mama in the tech security and remember if you've got questions about trucks truckers or trucking. Leave us a message at seven. Six five two four five four eight four. We'll get an answer. Straighten froze last of the cow. Boy Thanks for listening to over the road. Another Radio Tokyo showed you might like is everything is alive. Host Ian Chile is coming back with the third season on March eighteenth and yes. It has been a bit. But it's worth the wait great performers. Like Tammy Sager Jason man-soo guests will be bringing objects like a chainsaw. Leather pants in an Oxfordshire to life. Here take a listen wool. Why don't we have you introduce yourself for us? Well what's your name? My name is Ian. My name is Ian. I'm near I'm Louise. I'm shirt I'm William and I'm pants just pants pants. I'm pants and you are shirt. So my name's Josh. I am a chainsaw. I don't think I have any friends. James shows up at a party. You know something has gone awry for you just saying your name is in because my name is Ian well. I'm not sure what my name would be. 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"This episode of the truth contains strong language. Drug use. Does yesterday way for tomorrow? The yesterday injury up tomorrow does yes. Data speed the at my father Not because he has dementia. I don't want to. I really want to do but I go go to the facility very moves. Sorry can't smoke that day. Sorry sorry so should not offer me a hit you kidding. Get to see a pair of my dad. Yeah what's his name. Goldfetter Jack Yes. He's hilarious. Oh yeah well. Now he's a little low. Paul told you to stay with Mrs Kramer Son. Another eight keeps an eye on him nice. It's funny because I I'm not trying to get pregnant and I. I think we might have waited too long. You Never Know Paul. Go back inside now. Handsome boy got thank. You let me take you to another spot for the light up King of you don't know it's no worries. Just keep it on the DL though Colorado absolute. I'm Adam Elijah so I'm walking inside the space. It's like a movie here and these characters are fascinating. Don't disturbing funny. I hope some people seem totally. Find me of like this something. Maybe I'll find my father. Smiling electrical flirting inappropriate with a nurse. Elisa spots we walk over there yes. It's so easy to live life on autopilot. You just go through the motions. Phone it in keep on keeping on but rest assured eventually something will snap you out of it. This is the truth. I'm Jonathan Mitchell. And today's story is about waking up before it's too late and this episode is part of a special radio TOPI project. Most of the shows on the network are releasing episodes in response to the theme. The long haul and doing this to welcome a brand new show to the. Rato per family. It's called over the road. And it tells the story of America's long haul truckers after this episode. Please go check it out. I'm going to tell you about a new show that y'all she checkout. It's one of the best audio fiction shows I've ever heard it's from CBC PODCASTS and Mermaid Palace. Which is CAITLIN press production company? She produces the heart and she produced shadows which we featured on the show last year and they have a new series called asking for it. It's an audio fiction. Podcast that examines intimate partner. Violence through one woman's journey. Goalie escapes a chaotic childhood. Only to go from a partner who deprives her of love to a partner who nearly drowns her in it asking for it is a queer contemporary. Take on the goldilocks tale about love. Music and breaking the cycle of abuse. It's got amazing performances. Amazing Sound Design Amazing Music and the writing is excellent. Listen to asking for it. Wherever you get your podcasts. Now back to Lucky Penny on the corner of this room. My mother is on one. Side of the aid is on the other. And my dad's in the middle head down is closed. Nothing so I decided to tell him a couple of stories about dogs because he loves dogs dogs and I actually tell them a story that he told me from his childhood. He said he heard a dog. Getting Beaten Viciously House or permanent runs over there. Bangs on his door is open and my dad has a little boy. Looks up with this man and his dog. Let me take her at my father. My father dates this dog home. Ties it about side goes into those mothers Moseley. Filthy dog get Outta here. We then his father comes home and supposedly without knowing anything he he sees it. Don't untie brings an inside and they keep her caller sally. So I'm telling this story and my mother is like remember that story you story Jack and the aid is nice and my father had down is closed nothing and then I said something funny. I don't remember what at the exact moment that my mother and the aid laughed. My father is like I was startled. You Love Dogs Dead Right. No you do Danny Right Right. Just say do yen spoken in months? There is going to get to contact you or your governor. I need an actor. Father did so many characters always with the characters old. Got The running. People think. It's funny because that's not even as an adult. He never leave me a message in his own voice. Usually this old Jewish uncle me back. I think he's dead. Which is good. 'cause he's not dead. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa tell you something about very the most important thing you'll ever know your mother's Day greatest she smartest funniest acutest. Your mother's the most amazing they fought all the time. I think it was eighty nine. They'd had a fight and the next day. My mother was in a really bad mood upset and I remember things. He's taken out on me and we get in this big fight. My father comes home from work. Sees elps at my mother is but he won't listen to my side. I get so mad at him. I'm now more met at him that I am at her. We sit down for dinner and I'm just on the my breath. My father looks at me. So tense idiot. You just staring at me would you say and I say I'm sorry I'll do the dishes all clean off the kitchen table because daddy never does. He's looking I do the dishes and cleaning off the kitchen table. He's still just looking at me. And then my father leans forward and he says you missed that spot and push him. He throws me against the kitchen counter. I grabbed a butcher knife. I hold it up to me and my father. Russ his stomach forward toward the knife and says came on and I dropped the knife and started crying almost thirty years later on a phone with my wife. Kyoko what's it called? I think it's close but I mean if you don't you don't have to do this. It's it's not all right. I mean I've read. The side of one side. Effects is that we might have twins twins expensive then they get another call from my mother. Are you on the other line? It's okay though relate much it's okay what's going on what you father had a terrible headache so. I gave him some ice to chew on. You know health no then. I gave him an aspirin and now he's sleeping. See Okay the next morning. The headache got so bad. That my father who'd say doctoral Crooks femme have a block away from a hospital. Shoot me in the head that morning. He says he wants to go so it turns out he had had a massive stroke. He's rushed into. Surgery has been such an enormous amount of bleeding in the brain that they don't know if he's going to you know make it so we move him to what's called a transitional care unit with two floors. The first laws like a party. I mean there's a form of music dance things visit everybody's like you know at the second floor everyone up there is crammed into one room all day and most people in that room are like so whatever happens by not going to the second floor because he doesn't belong there he's doing great. My mother comes every day for the meals as soon as he sees her notable. Okay pick up the fork. You're GONNA eat now. She's so beautiful then I find out that everyday. They're testing him. Cognitively and that he's failing some of these tests and they begin mentioning the second floor. Some social worker tells my sister he can't walk like why'd I was just there? I saw him walking. I don't believe there's I rushed back to the blaze. I go right to his room. I'm like what's going on. You can't walk now. Who the hell come on that. You can walk bent down. Take hold of him. Pull him up back of his pants. Bring them up right. I put his weight on me. It's like I'm bending backwards and I'd bring him up. I let go. And he's standing that you standing on your own. Can you walk? Takes a step Jack? You go man you can get that social worker. Of course brother he does and she arrives and I say Dad can show her and he starts walking all around the room. He's walking walking walks right to. The bathroom puts his hand on the DOORKNOB. Looks at the social worker. Looks at Elisa and then just goes into the bathroom and I'm like his second floor Guy. Who's in what you did to get him to walk. Nothing I just held them my dad's in that bedroom for a while my mother shows up. We knocked nothing so I'm getting a little worried. We opened the door. He's sitting on. A toilet is diapers at his ankles. He looks up and it's him. His eyes are clear and then he does what he's always done eastern on it and he just makes up makes up a song beautiful family in my heart. Auden's Hari I gave them everything die. Cool Oh beautiful in my heart and so he everything later things change There's no more discussion. They moved my father to the second floor and they put into that room terrible room. He can't talk now and his body is starting to contract. But I go in and I just take his head into my hands and I just kiss kiss kiss kiss and he smiles at me so some months later we here. He's got pneumonia once twice three times. Red Flag we get a call from a palliative physician physically. It's doctor of dying and this. I called a meeting with my whole family. My mother my sister myself and we find out that my brother says he's coming to this meeting and we'll like boy because my my brother's not only a lot more intense than I am. He's also unpredictable but my parents were both pretty much atheist but several decades ago. My brother made a life. Change that took and became a ultra Orthodox Jew anyway. We're all there waiting for the pilot. A physician my sister and her husband my mother and myself and my wife Kyoko and my brother in the black suit and hat and beard and his wife with the WIG and he's very serious role wondering if he's going to go too far make some kind of Hebrews seen donning the anyway then down the hall we Guy Looks Italian with shoulder length. Black hair very handsome jeans and sandals looking around sees. Us walks over. Hey guys oh there's a lot of you guys okay. Let's go to the conference. We do that. We're keeping an eye on my brother. Walk him very seriously. Like what's he gonNA do seeking to do noon? We get there and we sit down. Okay guys so I. I'd like to say clearly your father your husband Jack as a lot of love and I'm thinking I don't like this guy so as you know your dad has lewy body dementia which has Parkinson's symptoms like his body contracting and a deterioration of his musculature which has led to not have trouble swallowing. That's why he gets. Pneumonia FOOD GETS INTO HIS. Lungs collects bacteria. But this meeting is one question one choice either. We insert a feeding tube into your father's abdomen or we don't my brother's shifts in his chair and even with the feeding tube. Your Dad's still can get pneumonia. In addition I really think we should think about your dad's quality of life now. My brother is glaring at the doctor. My sister is glaring at my brother and my mother is smiling at the doctor because I think she thinks he's very handsome. I like your shirt. Thank you I have to add that the feeding tube is very very very expensive. There's a pause my brother stands up and we're like okay. Here comes here comes. He looks at the doctor and says back that. I just want to ask you one thing. So if you don't put the feeding tube into my father just gonNA stop. I go to my father's room now. He's frozen is in a fog can't eat can't talk can't walk. His MOUTH IS WIDE OPEN. Whisper in his ear role. Okay fine if you WANNA go go put if you want to hang around a couple more months and I haven't told anyone this yet but it's finally happened Kilgore's pregnant. I'm going to be a father Dan. It's point so he didn't wake up. You know his eyes and get all clear but he did did turn his head. He looked at me. We're only two things my father ever told me about. His father was the story of letting them keep the dog. Sally the other regret I found out recently that my father was a Longshoreman in Staten Island. A crate fell on him. He got hurt couldn't support. His family had a mental breakdown and was put into a state mental hospital. And at the time these were gigantic warehouses. Low income mentally were left to rot. The last time that saw his dad was in one of these places. He said he never wanted to go. You know what you want to play. Stickball drags him there and the place smells like piss and vomit and shit and soon as they get that they see some guy just like scratching scratching himself so fast and his arms have blood and scabs then they stop because they realized that this guy this guy is. His father doesn't even acknowledge his mother but when his policies him something happens echoes to embrace him. My Dad's still remembers how we smelled and then is for the runs to another player. The room reaches down into a box. Take something out runs back to my dad and holds up a penny offering tomb. My Dad's a little boy he's frightened and you just keep Salami was the going wants to go as keeps holding up this penny later. They go father. Sits back down continues with the scratching off seventy years later. What makes my dad break down crying? Every single time you tells. The story is that he didn't take it. He didn't take the penny. Hey Buddy I'm so sorry to call you so late I just wanted to let you know that this evening I went to check on your dad. Well I just wanted you to know that when we went to check on on your dad Found that he had passed away. I'm so sorry so he had him. Because of my brother the funeral was owed trump orthodox Jewish now. My father was not just an atheist. He was which doesn't really make any sense because I could be angry. Nothing so at an ultra Orthodox Jewish burial tradition is that family members. Children grandchildren are supposed to shovel the dirt into the grave My brother is there with his six kids. My mother was four. Nine is right up front brothers. Four boys our own shoveling dirt dirt dirt. My mother's watching. They're more they're more dirt. Mother is watching more more what they just about finished suddenly my mother. The coals out is not good narrative. Now no one makes a sound. It's quiet we all start walking away by Jack. The next day my wife goes into labor and it is the most terrifying time of my life because every time she has contraction the the monitor measuring the baby's heartbeat ships down and nothing. The head doctor on the floor is at the door. Are Dr Excuse themselves for a moment? Goes OVER TO THAT. Guy Lois his voice. I hear him say it's a very serious situation. So fucking scared. He comes back and says okay. You're doing great. You're doing great waiting for the next contraction here. A calm voice okay. Here comes another one off her down there and pulls this out I C B. Umbilical cord is wrapped twice around his neck. He unwraps it quickly. Is this point is I? I don't know why father woke up from me a number of times. The Dog story walking sitting singing on the toilet He he didn't do that for my sister. My mother my brother the nurses he did it for me and every time it happened for the first time in my life. I felt like a hero. My father always says them going on with me. I don't know if it was because I was the youngest but it was always like he would look at me and be like you hugh and very often come to me and say to view. Don't you know I'd be like I don't WanNa know so? Last year I lost my father and I became one now. I know how much he loved me. Does yesterday who wait for tomorrow. Does yesterday dream up tomorrow. Does yesterday's Bee Sim Morrow. Selo Selo Selo Selo brains to hear more original stories like this go to the truth. Podcast DOT COM. You can also follow us on twitter and instagram. Handle is the truth fiction. Lucky Penny was written and performed by David Dublin Ger and was produced by Jonathan Mitchell with music by Fred. 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