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A Bowl of Soul A Mixed Stew of Soul Music Broadcast - 10-16-2020

A Bowl of Soul A Mixed Stew of Soul Music

1:02:43 hr | 1 year ago

A Bowl of Soul A Mixed Stew of Soul Music Broadcast - 10-16-2020

"You don't use new wakeup Goto being you never have to choose between breakfast meats again. Now, you can get a wakeup wrapped with Bacon and awake rapid sausage for three dollars that savory and sweet crispy and spicy. It's everything you love about breakfasts put three dollars wake up your day with New Waco to get to egg and cheese wraps for two dollars or mix and match your favorite meets with two Bacon Ham sausage or Turkey sausage split three dollars. America runs on Dunkin Paticipation may vary exclusions apply limited time offer you reach the right place? A destination called soul it's the beyond ex you-know-what sticks. It's a bowl of soul a mixed to. Of So music so again. Walked into the room with no expectations Justice Donald Everybody in here I am at a bowl of soul with professor Teela. But you're treating me. Even gave up a ride for all. Get along with you. When I won't. Close. Snag. Because Wouldn't see no MOTIVA-? Late at night. I'm afraid. Just. Thank. Keeping you some classic soul an armed be from the legendary Miss Betty Levette who's an American singer songwriter made her first record as sixteen years old and I'm GonNa tell you this is classic soul right here from nineteen seventy three and you know Betty Levinas three time grammy nominee. But this lady, she knows how to interpret. Our Blues you name it and what I didn't know about Betty Levette is that she was in bubbling brown sugar for six years on Broadway in the seventies right here in New York City. But we celebrate Miss Betty Levette, talking about your turn to cry coming up next I'm going to give you something hot sexy from this duo DIONNE Warwick and Isaac Hayes and you know. ISAAK's had done a couple of DIONNE warwick songs. And these two at this time in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, seven, they got together win on tour. And basically, it was at this time that Isaac as he had left stacks records because it went bankrupt and Dionne Warwick was no longer getting those solidified hits that she used to get from back, Iraq and how David so they both were at a crossroads in their career but they collaborated together and they just did they day right here you gotta hear, Dionne Warwick. Singing can't hide love she starts off with Donna Summer's love to love you baby and this is a bowl of Seoul. This is Eric. B. Turner and you're listening to professor t love on a bone of Seoul amidst to of soul music. A. You. You. Then you. CARE now, look. You. Airport. You. and. Yes, sir. Talk. Ran. Hey. Gucci. To. Get a sexy voice of Isaak's. This is the classic Apple. This was recorded by ABC records the label that Isaak's was on and they did their tour in nineteen, seventy, six to nineteen, seventy seven, and it was a hit. This album was a hit and twelve of the songs like some of the songs they did was to Oj's unity. They did my love that was written by Paul. McCartney, they also did a medley of back Iraq David his you. Know I just don't know what to do with myself. Walk on by save a little prayer and also Isaac did some of his sexy songs come live with me body language chocolate chip. You definitely need to revisit this album, a man and a woman with Dionne Warwick and Isaak's, and we celebrate them right here on a bowl of soul and we're coming up Nex this singer actress who I remember was on the Chuck Barris show called the Gong show. Will, in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, six, this lady saying her heart ow R&B Funk Jazz with some of the best musicians on the west coast JP Morgan who was produced at this time who would become one of the hottest producers ever David foster she did this song for here is where your love belongs and this is a bowl of Solo. Hi. This is John Kerry and if you love old school music and new earned, be you pick the best abol of soul a mix of soul music When? You. Find myself just this. Just. Wish. We were. Goes. Dating. Show. A. Friends. I. Issue and fun. School. added. Giving you some hot. Jazz Funk R&B from some of the best West Coast La. Musicians Harvey Mason Ed. Green Jay. Graydon. Ray Parker Junior and tower of power Ernie Watts Watson many more this apple. J.. P. Morgan was a singer from the fifties and sixties but. She really put her foot musicians, put their foot in it. You definitely should try to get this album. It is really this is before they gave the name smooth jazz, but this album is solid and it was produced back. Then by David Foster who produce Cheryl Lynn, he was also part of this group called wildfire. And he also produced earth wind and fire's album also in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy nine. So definitely check out. Miss J. P. Morgan. This is this is a solid cut. You should hear her version of you can't hide love is killer. You thought the version by Dionne was good. Her version was killer and this is a bowl of Seoul, the professor t love coming at you once again, bring you some sexy soul. Classic soul RMB's move jazz coming up. NEX. Another favorite of Mine Mr Norman Connors this is off of his album from one thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, eight, call. This is your life. This single right here would you like to see at? This is a bowl of soul this Job York and you're listening to a both soul with Terry Ferguson. Palm. Yup. Being me. Album. Four. Thirty. Learned. Impact. Jazz pissed the normal connors off the album. This is your life. You know this boom was a hot albumin you norman. Connors from Philadelphia. Pennsylvania. He's a jazz drummer and that single feature Miss Eleanor. Mills and you know had some of the best musicians on this album David t Walker Lee? Nowa- Wah Wah Watson James Gadston you've had Mr Eddie Bongo Brown on Congas and Kenneth Nash Kevin Farrell Saunders you know George Bohannon. funky album and you know. He was. Gone. McConnell Philadelphia what Philadelphia's best musicians you know Philadelphia's a town where a lot of jazz musicians come out of in your arm be sing as we celebrate Mr. Norman. Connors right here on a bowl of soul coming up next we got some new music from this gentleman by the name of Stacey bug talking about I. Want You the way I feel and this is a bowl of soul. Hi there. This is kathy cousins if you WANNA listen to classic soul an independent rb music you've reached the right place a bowl of soul, a mixed stew of soul music. Shoes. Was Long. Not. Latte. Only. You. Breath. took. Had to play that this brother Stacey debugged make sure you support Stacey bug I wanted to play the song because this brother played all the instruments on this single right here talking about what you the way I feel. You know I'm hearing Jimi, Hendrix Lee, Moses, buddy miles, and led Zeppelin all smash together and this brother reached out to me and I said listen I WANNA play your music here on a bowl of so make sure you purchase Stacey bugs music by going to his website Stacey Esta. Bugti, UGG DOT com make sure you support Stacey bug man he was killing it. I love it. I love it. This is a bowl of soul and you need to know why you need to listen to a bowl of soul. Music from fifty fifty. Fifty. Sixty sixty sixty thrown in with similar seventy, seventy seventy mix well with the with the bring to boil the night. As, just a touch of the future future. That's our recipe for a beam. Professor. First Day we met. Was a moment. For. Show. I can. No. WanNa. Own. Passes. SCHLAGE. High While me. Mother. A. Congress. I guess. To. Women to. Do who true? Change. Change. A Look. Here this. owner. On The. Music. A Area Seoul Singapore Bliss Tracy crews I'm Tracy. For about twelve years now. Going, back to when she loves galaxy and this lady has been on fire since then she has sung with Kenny Lattimore Pete Escobedo Mickey how a Kiki Wise Size Smith Mood, child Rahim divorced BELAU DD Simon and This lady's she has garnered twenty four musical boards and over sixty nomination including three world songwriting awards one goalie. So Ward and five. Bay Area Black Music Awards pleased support Miss Tracy crews she is on fire. She is still keeping that aren be new so she's keeping it going y'all make sure you go to her website Tracy crews T. R. Y. CRUEL CR use e music, dot com, please support your loves everything right here on a bowl of soul and coming up next that's some new music from Ray Goodman and Brown featuring Greg Willis talking about where did you get that body baby and this is a bowl of. So So a mix. Of. Music. OPT. Baptized Short miniskirts. At. Share. On John. Yes. Sex. says. Obvious. Giving you. Actually. This been pre. But, I consider it like a new new release. This is from Ray Goodman and Brown featuring greg. Willis this was from one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight. It was off the album called move for love him but had been released. Where did you get that body baby? Right here on a bola soul giving you some classic soul is some new Orrin be coming up next we got some more new music from Lindsey Webster talking about close to you, and this is a bowl of soul. Hi. This is Mary Ann Marie and you're listening to worldwide so easy on a bowl of soul, a mix of soul music. To. Take to. But can. Be. Much, more than that can. Be Is that. Moment. Just. Seems that's the That's you. Do. Occur. and. Decades. Long. Can't. You support jazz singer. lizzy webster talking about close to you. This new music that she has make sure you go to her website. She thinks that Classics Move Jazz funk. You got it is lizzy webster go to Lindsey Elliott. Webster Music Dot. com, right here on a bowl is solar. We celebrate her new music close to you coming up Nex we got some new music from girod las it talking about be the change and this is a bowl of so. Where do we go? We. CETERA. Only. Option. Do. Younger generations. Still. Be The chains we. and. A Lesbian. Among Lance. AH Portland Oregon. So baby from singer Songwriter Keyboardist Gironde. Lawson, and you know on October thirtieth one don't record. He's coming out with a new album which is entitled same as the single be the change in you know. Nice. Jazzy mid tempo. There make sure you check out Gerard Lawson, giving you some of that sexy jazz. So called be the change coming up next this man reached out to me Bass player extraordinaire. Pablo or Hera talking about treat Yo self and this is a bowl of saw. and. that. F.. report. Back. Boys Calendar, that base. Fake Shaw, you support. Pablo or Hedda. Out of Portland Oregon I believe and this brothers killing it on the base I mean he he slapping at base you know what? I'm saying and and you know I'm a bass play and I'm feeling him you know. You know playing that base. Make sure you support. This is his new single call treat your self. Make sure you support this brother coming out of Oregon. Yes. Portland Oregon, he is a bass. Playing a lot of west coast soul here and and west coast spunk. So make sure you support. Pablo headed by going to apple music and also you can get the single you go and listen to it on spotify called treat yourself up want to leave you with. This saw from Felton. Pilot call we're still here, and this is a bowl of soul. Asia. Wild. You did. Salt. Policy. ME. took. God. Could took. and. Giving, you some. Music and off from belts and pilot who was pepper of compunction. And he also collaborated with MC Hammer. He came out with this funky single call. We're still here make sure you support. Mr Felt pilot giving you some classic fault new bunk from Mr Felton pilot you great new music here on a bowl of soul from. Tracy cruise your loves everything Stacy Bug I want you the way I feel you heard a re release of Ray Goodman and Brown reaching Greg Willis where did you get that body baby close to you from jazz singer Lindsay Webster. Also some new music from Gerard Lawson out of Oregon be the change heard some funky base again from Oregon from Pablo. hedda talking about treat yourself and we're still legally by dairy funk musician. Mr Felton? Pilot I hope you enjoy this segment of a bowl of. So make sure you catch up with a bowl of soul at a bowl soul dot com. Make sure you tune in to bulls soul by going to my radio network, a bowl of soul of mixed stew of. So Music Radio Network on live three, sixty five where you can tune in and hear love sex and relationships with the professor on Wednesdays at ten pm and you can also to Melva Jordan quiet heavy quiet storm. Have you stomped quiet storm at seven pm on Wednesday seven to nine and also Gospel vibrations at three o'clock on Sundays. 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A Bowl of Soul A Mixed Stew of Soul Music Broadcast - 08-27-2021-A Bowl of Soul Celebrates the Legendary Ms. Phyllis Hyman

A Bowl of Soul A Mixed Stew of Soul Music

1:02:49 hr | 3 weeks ago

A Bowl of Soul A Mixed Stew of Soul Music Broadcast - 08-27-2021-A Bowl of Soul Celebrates the Legendary Ms. Phyllis Hyman

"Savings starts with internet and wireless from affinity. Because when you get xfinity internet at mobile you can save up to four hundred dollars. A year on wireless enjoy fast. Reliable internet at home and nationwide five g. on the go included at no extra cost get expanding internet and mobile together and ask how to get an eligible five g. on us and for a limited time three hundred dollars back. Don't miss out. Go to expand dot com slash. Start saving call. One eight hundred xfinity or visit us for today. Restrictions apply savings based on optimize pricing. Actual savings may vary. You reached the right place. A destination called soul. It's the bionics you know what's next. It's a bowl of so mixed to of so music. And on a bozo. We are celebrating the legendary singer. Songwriter actress miss. Phyllis hyman right here on a bowl of so. This is jonathan win. And you're listening to a bowl of soul her mixed to of soho music to a bowl birth. How your baby Burn yes you Shop the name and this is a bowl of so. We are celebrating the legendary. Sean twos miss phyllis. Linda hyman was born july. Six nine thousand nine hundred forty nine and passed away on june thirtieth nineteen ninety five and like i said phyllis hyman was an american singer. R&b singer jazz singer. Pop singer songwriter and actress. And you know. Phyllis hamon performed in the broadway. Play in nineteen eighty-one based on the music of mister duke ellington. The name of the play was called sophisticated. Ladies that ran from one thousand nine hundred eighty one to nineteen eighty three and it earned her a theater world award and a tony nomination for best performance by featured actress in a musical. We are celebrating this lady. Beautiful singer and i remember a friend introduce me to her music. good friend of mine who i am on her. Podcast called love sex and relationships The professor introduced me to this lady in the nineteen eighty s in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight eighty nine and she had this album at the time called living all alone and ever since. Then i was hooked. I even saw. Phyllis hyman at the blue note here in new york city. And let me tell you she put on a hell of a show. We are celebrating the legacy of miss. Phyllis hyman right here. On a bola soul coming up next. We're going to give you something. 'cause this lady was born in philadelphia pennsylvania. She got those philly music. Soul are embiid jazz roots in her bones and she did a philadelphia song betcha by golly. Wow which is written by. Tom bell and was written by tom. Bell for the stylistics. But you have to listen to phyllis homage treatment on this song. Right here on a bowl of so. I think this version was done with norman connors betcha another philly native betcha by golly. Wow and this is a bowl of so this is your man folks ya'll checking out a bowl of so wanted hottest. Dj's in the land professor t low this salt must He talk shot. You thinking law rooms Twin beautiful treatment of the stylistics song betcha. By golly wow which was written by. Tom bell and lynn decreed this was off of norman. Connors album hit album. You are my starship. And you know norman connors like i said he is a philly boy you know. He's jazz drummer from philadelphia. And on this album. Norman connors phyllis hyman and michael henderson. Who is bass player who has played with Many groups especially dramatics and this album reach number five on the us rb chart and number one on the jazz chart. You will always hear this song by. Phyllis hyman on the quiet storm. That's how i heard it especially. I did a show in two thousand and sixteen on the quiet storm. And how scott it's got its beginnings with vaughn harper and. This is one of the songs that was always played this version of betcha by golly. Wow this single itself was number twenty nine on the us. Rb chart and nineteen seventy six. And like i said. Phyllis hyman just put hope what like they said. Put her foot in that song. We celebrate miss. Phyllis hyman right here on a bowl of sola coming up. Next this song i heard done by the group odyssey. The group that did native new yorker. They did this song. Don't tell me tell her. While i didn't know that phyllis hyman did her version of it as well of of it as well and is beautiful right here on. A bullet soul. Don't tell me tell her it's over and you're listening to a bowl of so this is your man jay most in your listening to soul music at its best of bowl of soul mixed of soul music me the school but can ask c. I if extent talk google it japan out could be third. Don't that song has a killer baseline done by nathan east that basis. I like that thump. In the beginning nice and percussion done by paulino dacosta as well as any bongo brown. Who was a percussionist with motown. This came off the album. Can't we fall in love again on. Aris the records in one thousand nine hundred ninety. One and i didn't know about this album. This was a fifth album by phyllis and the producers on this album part of the album was produced by norman connors and he was not able to finish it. So the producers on the album were chuck jackson talking about mr any day. Now and maxine brown also were producers on this album. Maxine brown's sang that song. Oh no not my baby. You know that was written by karaoke ing and also sung by aretha franklin coming up next. We're going to play some more baby. 'cause i i'm just giving you the flow of miss phyllis hyman coming up next singing gonna make changes and this is a bullet soul love it. Hi this is ira ito. And you're listening to a bold soul a mixture of soul music. Got it too a moment shop. He food if i'm to oh palm Thank them both. Just that asks lies song. That's hot wanna fake changes. This was from nineteen seventy nine. This was what the album somewhere in my lifetime. This was phila- simon's third studio album. And you know t- life theodore life was on this album also a neighbor of mine who passed away. He lived in the northeast. Bronx nausea allan. gums also was one of the personnel on this album. And larry alexander monty alexander. The legendary bass guitarist. Bob babbitt from motown from the funk brothers also on this album was herbie hancock as well you know really really nice album very nice album gotta make changes and like i said you hear that the sold field the jazz. The r&b on this album and you know on this album. Barry manilow was also producer on this album. Skip scarborough dante and theodore life and again this album was released on aristotle records in nineteen seventy nine and if you get a chance you need to buy all albums because let me tell you. This lady is to class. She is clash. She is in her own lane. Her own category and her her flow. Hostile is just magnificent. And we're celebrating. Miss bilas hyman right here on a bowl of seoul. This is another single disc. This song was done by the spinners. Picking up litter was on their album. Picking a believe in it's called. I don't wanna lose you. And i believe this was a number song that was produced by tom. Bell for the spinners. I want you to hear her treatment of this song. I don't wanna lose you and this is a bowl of soul. Hi my name. Is andy stokes and you listen to bowl of soul a mix of so busy. I don't wanna lou. I love you all the lose I could we low will stay. Thank you be. He all the. Oh oh maybe it'll be surprised she's do you. I love you. I don't to i could If you understood too Losing i love I could that Off beautiful saw her treatment was good just as good as dispense. We celebrate miss. Phyllis hyman was offer herself. Title solo debut studio album in nineteen seventy seven released on buddha records. She had one hit on this album. No one can love you more and it charted at number fifty eight in the billboard hot soul singles chart and she did again this song which was done by the spinners. This was also written by tom. Bill and linda creed you need to know why you need to listen to a bowl of soul music from fifty fifty fifty a little bit of the sixty sixty sixty thrown in with similar seven. Seventy seven mix well with the with the bring to boil with the ninety and justice future. That's our recipe for a bowl of soul saw since those but specials does kids danced. Lean-to beat it's been. Oh female it's been some Old think grasset that saw was the album living alone and that was produced by pr philadelphia international and was produced by kenny. Gamble leon huff nick. Martinelli dexter zell tom. Bill reggie griffin all the philly lineup of producers. Okay and it was on this album. Let me tell you that she did this. Cut coming up nex which i fell in love with made me fall in love with this lady right here on a bowl of soul. You just don't know. And this is a bowl of so. This is lorraine from laura rain. In the caesar's detroit are listening to a bowl of soul amidst do of so music with your host professor t love charmless of what have been stone. How how how you know stone. How satellite how good to have you young since you own me let me go were lanning all my i will win me too. Slow god Don't you don't list cow one five favorite soul you. Just don't oh. I love it i love. It is one of my favorite albums living all alone. That song you just don't know was written by cynthia. Biggs kenny gamble. Tom bell and was produced by tom. Bill and kenny gamble for miss. Phyllis hyman this was her seventh album and was released on philadelphia. International records in one thousand nine hundred eighty six. Pr and the title track peaked. At number twelve on the rb chart and has become one of philip's hymens well known hits of her career. But i'm gonna tell you. This whole album was hot. That's how i got hooked on fillon. Nineteen eighty six and we celebrate her right here on a bowl soul and coming up next. We're gonna play another cut from. Phyllis hyman talking about the answer is you. And this is a bowl of solve. This is job york. And you're listening to a bowl soul with terry ferguson. was just key fever the is Know and wrote the insert set la win and say unto Was out in low. But now scott free do Around the you huh. The answer is you. That was off the album. Somewhere my my lifetime nineteen seventy-eight. There is a box set of her music. From nineteen seventy six to one thousand nine hundred ninety eight call old friend deluxe collections and in a box set. And let me tell you. It's very popular. I mean selling out. Still and there are books about miss. Phyllis hyman the strength of a woman that is also you can get that on amazon dot com. You know get get her box it. You will not be dissatisfied. Trust me you know this lady ahead of time per beautiful voice transcends time coming up next. We're gonna play under your spell list. It's a third can three inside me. Okay you thanks else bad yeah now. That sounds familiar. That particular melody. That sound rhythm is from james and to me reggie lucas. The late reggie lucas. Who produced stephanie. Mills got that flavor on it. This was off the album. You know how to love me. The fourth album from his philosophically. Nine hundred seventy nine and i'm gonna leave you with another cut. That was a hit. Both of these were hits. You know how to love me and this is a bowl of so thanks soon. Plan woah and people needs happy And we've come to the end of a bowl of soul. I hope you enjoy this segment celebrating. The legacy of phyllis hyman. She has a numerous collection. Make sure you get her bach- set you could purchase that on amazon. You know what i'm saying. Get her book. The strength of a woman there have been shows done about. Phyllis hyman and i feel that. Phyllis is in great company. Would ella fitzgerald. Sarah vaughan dinah washington billie holiday retha franklin. She's in good company and we celebrate her on a home. If you like to segment or you like a bull hit me up you can hit me up at a bowl soul at gmail.com. Follow me on facebook at a bowl of soul. A mixed to of soul music tune in to my radio network a bowl of so a mixed to of so music radio network on lottery three sixty five. Just look for a bowl of soul if you like to buy in a bowl of soul. Eco-friendly shirt goto. Tiny url dot com forward slash. A bowl of soul t shirt. That's all right. If you like to support a bowl you can support a bowl of soul like cash apt dollar sign a bullet soul of been. Just look for a bowl of soul. Make sure you follow me on. 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Y'all just keep tuning in. And i love you and please support. If you like what you're hearing support a of soul and make sure you hit me up at a bowl. Sola g mail dot com. This is not love a love. You be safe out there you know. We're still not out of covert yet so please way. Your mask. Protect yourselves socially distance. We need to get out of this. I'm tired of it already. And you're listening to a bowl of soul. You're listening to saving. Start with internet and wireless from activity because when you get xfinity internet and add mobile you can save up to four hundred dollars. A year on wireless enjoy fast reliable internet at home and nationwide five g. on the go included at no extra cost get expanding internet and mobile together an ask how to get an eligible five g. phone us and for a limited time three hundred dollars back. Don't miss out go to xfinity dot com slash. Start saving. call one eight hundred xfinity or visit a store today. 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All About That Bass | Dean Mark

The Lemar Show

1:34:48 hr | 6 months ago

All About That Bass | Dean Mark

"Hello my good friends. Welcome to another episode of the lamar show. Thanks for joining today. I'm speaking to a musician. It's all about the base. I've been fortunate enough to have him play my band for number of years. Now he's also played for Boy george for craig david for roy as and many many many others once again a wealth of knowledge for anyone trying to get into the music industry or if you just a bit nosey and you want to know what it takes to get into the music industry just because today's guest his dean martin here in the in indian. Hey do you have a name for this. I'm surrounded by musical instruments. Yeah he's just sitting by a wool of bass. Guitar award is the high behind me. Literally of one two three four. I mean did and then there's basically bass guitars over there. There's drums there's no sign of the chimes chimes tambourines. Go yeah tambourines. Oh my door is loving has greens and they come in. They just wanna touch everything you'll get you'll let the doors run free hall so goes i mean you know when i was growing things that good like that venus. I mean if if my dad had a studio. When i was growing up. Oh my so. I you know whenever they want to come in i let them in and let them play around and you know what i mean because they might be just that one little thing that nothing. Oh man yeah. Yeah yeah music. And then the journey begins and that's it genitive in. So i don't i don't force them. You know. listen to this with them at their own pace of find time. Just generally means yeah. Yeah i'm not sure whether you saying another good light that means they could lead that or they know the look you've trained them from lung. Maybe i shouldn't pull out this this this and that is giving me that they go to off enough more boys like to find out. How does this work. Well i have to take apart. Yeah that was me. I was definitely lightning. Yes oh this really nice. You're inside that. I've had it for twenty five years and you've been around for two minutes anyway right so man. Where do we start where you start. You've had a very long journey as well. Yeah is where did what is. Your is your earliest memory of you. Know you said your kids come in you. Just let them roam around and hopefully something. Sp- gives them that spoke. What is your earliest memory of. When you had a spark your is loud like wow. This is funny. Shiseido will my earliest memory of that kind of thing is actually my first ever memory on our. I was asked about two years. Old and Are one of my elder brother was at school and the everyone was a nursery hit. Wherever and i had to stay with my mom i remember. She was doing something she was like. Okay look i need to just sit you down here just for a minute can just sit here for a minute. And i'll be with you very shortly on what she did. We have one of those early record players. You know the one with the army lifted the arbiter repeat so she put on this little four forty five seventy records and she put one of that one that one. It was the recco shala by al green and in the try. Remember this this. I think the name of the instrument is called the guerra. Because i was just transfixed by saying that sound ought you'd be looking at the speaker just having these and then it will go round at on would meet recruit just repeat and she had to do with a good record. The alight and i would just say this year just just transfixed by the music and that was it. Music was always the thing that could just get me to concentrate to zone out. Yeah yeah and that was. That is funny. How You said the reverend al green moves on the trunk. And what attracted you was the at guerra in amongst the so to socially south of one of the greatest soul legends at the base guitar. Everything else guide on. He heard that guo burn about it. Have you have you heard on any of a kind of so full record or anything like that. No just totally you need. Have they got a locust that you know you out. That's cool that's cool so all right so you know. I know you as a talented musician. Ban predominantly oversee on. The base has always been estimate of choice. No i actually started on guitar when i was about nine or ten nine. So you play. Yes so what happened. Was i have an auntie of mine. Who's not too much older than the the myself but Probably about six or seven years older than me and she had to guitar but didn't really play it on whatever a my grandmother said cindy guitar over to the wall the grandkids or whatever. You don't media. She said senate guitar over to dean. What did she know that you have no idea why out because there was i mean grandchildren. So there wasn't plenty to choose from the specifically she sits and today so she sent the youngest. no it wasn't the youngest to genucel. yes so Yes they sentence guitar. It was it was like what kind of country cutter acoustic guitars. It was it was beautiful. But i had it for a while and i didn't know what to do and my dad. Who's like you know. He's the work nights on the buses. Left boy you need to stop letting you know. So i couldn't even get to play it and then one day A teacher at my primary schools. Like i'm doing guitar lessons on guitar guitar guitar so i went and i just said right. I wanted to guitar lessons. Said all right. It's going to be all next week. Wednesday or whatever. It was so i went down. She changed it up for me zone a up and then she showed me. You know just like a series of chords and let my i corps it was like wow okay and i. I just kind of stuck with it for a few years so few years. That's just regular. That's good yeah. You know your constant. Yeah just trying to jingle jangle away on on whatever by dropped it for for about five years or so Any reason because i was a young teenager. I got into acting or go into a lot of acting. You call were different concert as young teenager. School stuff i was. I loved drama school and one of my teachers school in secondary school at that point kind of really now is the was quite you know excelling and she took me and i joined different youth citizens and stuff like that and even ended up in the national youth theatre and that. Yeah but confident kid. I wouldn't call myself confident. I just knew the Sometimes when you see someone do something you can do that. You're right on our can do it better. I just had that thing me. It wasn't confidence. He just thought. I could do mean so also is doing the acting thing and this is we're talking like mid late eighties now. Prince came along. It's an is and man. I don't know if you remember that time. It was like a you either one of two camps. Either in the michael michael for the prince camp. I was kind of nice. The right in the middle say to slightly leaning towards prince because he played. Because i used to love. Let the my my brother bill. Quite a few. You know the the prince albums and those days when they were on record and you would you open them up and you'd read the credits and it just said all instruments played by prints and stuff like that crazy with guitar that gets on this. Go go back into that. You know and yet but you know prince just just really reignited. My my my my passion for music. What what did you think. It was specifically apart from obviously played everything. What did he find. Was it just purely the musicality of it. Or what was it something about him or a particular song that you heard or something that made you think. Well this is one is is because yeah the fact that he played everything but he just made. It looks so cool. He wasn't a nerdy wasn't he was the you know the michael jackson the coolest guy. He just made it look so cool. He didn't just play guitar music. Cable a munster and listening to the records you can hear you know in the first couple of albums. He was a mean drama. How these are just incredible. So you know. It's cool to play an instrument this to try and stick with it and learn and that just got me you just totally got me the yeah. You can learn an instrument and be seriously cool. Was that time that you thought you know. I actually want to be on stage doing this or was it. Will you just thinking you know. I just want to get better paying this. Because he's doing it. Like what time did you at. What point do you think actually want to do this. Like not nine to five hundred this year will it vat period lawsuit for quite a few years. 'cause i you know. I continued with the acting in the theater. And stuff like that and They didn't drop it and run away. Yeah and at that time in london there were a lot of Jam sessions and stuff. You know one point thinking like the mid nineties. There was a jam like an open jam session that you could go to young musician almost every day of the week every day. Yes whichever part of london wherever it was somewhere over in Westland ladbroke grove area or there was something in camden town area. Do mean if you knew all the spots. They were literally software. You could go to almost every day to be back then and you can shop any hang out and say yeah can i. Can i get up and play number. Do you know what i mean. I know that you up. Genital mean so that for me was was just incredible in and i and i kept going to. At that point. I was just still mainly doing theatre. It's the how old are you there. All twenty to twenty one twenty two. Yes hold on so teenage then the guitar. When did that start. You wanna talk about nine or ten bay. Started when i was about nine thousand nine hundred twenty or something like that because then you basically it was more acting in theater and yeah just give me. He's gonna side arise on nineteen twenty. Yeah we saw it in the base more. so yeah because what happened was A friend of mine had a base that he just wanted to get rid of. And pseudo i'm sending the base of free. Yeah okay so far we pick it up for your kid because everybody who has discarded something gave it to date ended up on stage took everything. Wow friday all you took it away as you said. Oh i got this little base and now you know again what i would do You know my brother would by that point. My brother's older brother desmond ball love love records. I kind of listen to a lot of the stuff that he he'd bought and whatever and the lamp and plug my base. And just listen to whatever you know playing on record play along and i just found that it even fell even with the base right right. It's all about one okay. Do you think that was you naturally sit in better with the record with the base versus the guitar as in you here. Oh i'm tired of this all was just just and and then I kind of like a long lost cousin of mine at that point and he was putting together like a little band and So i was like oh. I play guitar news. Okay cool and he was like version of prince because he keyboards guitar. But he's his main instrument was drums. Okay and was he's cool. Oh he was very cool. Mash malcolm feely smell pedophilia. Yes yes shouting credible incredible musician and yeah so there was a qatari. It's that was around at that point and he was incredible. I mean the guy could shreds Yeah i was like company. Say ish macos look man. Why don't you just play the bass. I'm not well. I have one compare a little bit and he just. He grabbed the basement me and he showed me a few little things on the base. I was like okay. He's okay now you try that. He's all right. Let's see cool one to free and Yeah he was just like mountain mission. Wanted to create this little group. And i felt wow okay now. I'm actually playing some bass with a drummer. Yeah yeah which is different supplier another room. That'd be good around the rooms though. And i'm playing now with someone on drums and that changed. Everything took the love to another level. Your chainsaw everything so you just like rehearse in in your house. His house bedroom is his mom. I couldn't believe it because she didn't play drums to wherever hours. I'm not. I was gonna say you can drums or digital not. I'm talking line nine hundred ninety nine. So yes we're looking. These are noisy drums. Yes these allowed lost drums and lived on the. I remember it was a member. There was like a railway line very close and they lied on end so there was a certain amount knowing that they could just make me by it so he was able to play drums to wherever. Wow i love where i wanna say. It's a failing. But as a parent. I guess now. Nowadays parents are much. Why i hope most parents are much more open minded than than kind of we've real grownup when a parent sees sparking their kid. Yes sometimes this is step back and let them explore. Yeah the when. I was growing up. What you're trying to destroy. Try try the jobs. I was never going to be a job in my house. Oh go up on the south side of the only time that you can make if i was singing and You know if it was a cigarette that you know might keep quiet just listening to let go too late for a little bit. You know 'cause it's not too intrusive but no apa no drums even enough jobs. I remember i i remember. I wanted to play drums. If that can have a junkie or or no no no no no no. No no no no bugging upstairs i have to because he you know he was a bus driver at night shifts instead. He's like where. I have to sleep to me says. Nah so that was the end of that war on. No you're not going to happen magazine on drums dean on something quite something that has headphones like it. It'd be on basic your your your love to another level playing. Sing with with ishmael. Yeah yeah right. So did anything come. The ban like did you. Just you just go and try to keith. So ever and we did. A couple of gigs like there was like a local music. Venue stroke pub kind of more. You know More of music venue and he. He managed to get a couple of gigs there and stuff germany so it was my first experience playing live you know and then january of ninety free. Wow he even the yeast. This was when my life changed. Okay friend of mine said oh. So you know roy is right. I'm not quite love is love is records at home. I had you know probably about fifteen or twenty albums of his that time. I'll and He's he's coming up is is going to be ro Is going to be at ronnie scott's now back in those days right if you ever saw an artist when scott's they be on the bill for like a week so you play day two saturday you'll do like two sets like The first set will probably start hats. Nine o'clock ten o'clock remember and then the next that will start something like midnight or did you know so most artists. It's almost like a west end like yes yeah residency. Yeah so each artists would would feature for about a week. Roy when sets so we're our also our a minimum a minimum than an hour set. But roy used to play three weeks at a time and all of the sets were pretty much. Sold out to the i remember. I went to see In the first week of that little stint and my mind would loan to smithereens it had a litter was gone of a wash room musical mushroom cloud in my brain. It was just pay just gone. Oh and i just my friend ongoing next week. And you're coming with me and i'm going to pay for you to come with me mad. And then the next week off the just and he had this. I i'd never heard base like this. In my life. The base of what sound system they had in their at the time but the base the sound quality of it was like he just gave me this. Big hug jovi reach warm. He had this bass player called donald knicks. Yeah and it was the first time i'd seen a guy play five. String bass another main. Okay so he was going down to something diesel. No janata mean on. i four. why this is eight. Is i want to do that. Was that guy who donald knicks mix changed my life. Man here in the donald. Nixon is be string changed my life when i heard those low notes on those roy is on his mind here. Eight just blew. my mind. Couldn't believe what i was hearing while and not just for. Wow this is. This is what i wanna do these long. We've in a week. I had a five string bass every car. Say telling you straight straight but you remember denmark. street yeah. I was down the right down window shopping ways strings. This homeowner fi string active bates. Oh yeah and you're practice. Oh my gosh yeah. I was buying lots of records and stuff like that and just educating myself you. It's nice though in like one again. One person's journey inspires the. I'd like to the extent you know because you can pay in front of anyone you know and some people get thrill for some people get inspired by you know and then it changes the echoes. What makes them feel well. This is doable or this is believable. Or i need to try something. You know that that that part of live music and inspiring the next generation so to speak the next person is Is really important. You know even today. When i think about it just blows my mind. So that was like january of ninety three and we've in six to seven years. Yeah he was me at ronnie scott's. Oh christ we've roy is. Oh full circle. Because i don't know it was. It was weird thing. How you know the kind of stars aligned. Really so at that time he had a saxophone player dark array gaskins and ray. He's the tour with an artist. Cool finished high monitor be tunes by norman connors and those guys and yeah he'd he joined warriors as ben and this guy was on my fierce alto saxophone. This guy was a monster be took about. It's like a musical athlete was just hang on that man. This guy was crazy when you you hear or see a musician and just the amount of intensity that they have as a musician or vocal is almost scary. Yeah you see some scary. It was to that degree. Laying was found only scary. It was just so intense. Wow he can do anything. Mean this guy was all about that sacks yes yes In the lower part of nine hundred ninety five home and get a phone call. Hi my name's ray gaskins. Your numbers recommended to me I'm i'm looking for a bass player. And i'm like i know exactly who you are. Is this a joke is no no no. I couldn't believe it. so like what. So he was. He was in town and he gave me. It's again he was. He was doing his own stuff and a friend of mine. Komo gilmore from the state on a drummer from the states. who had done some bits and pieces. We've recommended me to to gaskins. And he's like yeah. I gotta show in a couple of weeks it's going to be me's to be jocelyn brown kim zell and Big big big straight in on an issue. Okay all right so so pot because some recommended you know like what had you been doing. In that time you know feel bits and pieces. I think. I told don my first tour. That point i did i did boy. George a told me. I was twenty three my i saw. We told brazil dodo. Slow down everywhere exactly. So how did you get on the bourgeoisie. Because again you know someone listening thinking. Oh yeah you know i. I've listened to dana. I've seen him do this. And i'd love to get one gig somehow get because as i said that time you could was all the jam sessions that you could go to literally every day of the week and There was one to do. It was like on a thursday night just by Great portland street. Yep and whether students bar coughing. Yeah was downstairs in there. And apparently one week boy george's md was just there and he was just hanging out and stuff like that and that was that what happened was georgia's base play. A fell ill. So john after learning the The bass player couldn't couldn't do it had to find a replacement and he said oh. Who's that guy that was done at that jam and he phoned up You know the guy who running jameson yet. A baseball young guy You know playing bass who was that. And he he got my. They managed to get my number north and then one day. Just this call. It was from georgia. Toll manages his. Hi i'm told manager for boy george. And we've got a toll happening in brazil and We'd like you to come and join us in brazil on the tour. I said what you want me. That it's not even an audition. No no no we. We want you and the reason. They didn't want to audition because they already knew. Because the nd or already seen me. I want that guy that means you could put in the world. I still didn't know anything over him. I didn't know that i was seen or anything like that. So you even. When he saw me he didn't even come up to me. Say anything wien. I just got this. i'll just call saying. Can you come out in june to brazil Play bass with boy george brazil. I will ever downstairs. Oh and i said mom. I'm going to brazil arafat. It wasn't mum i'm playboy. Brazil was by some new underwear. You know what to get cool across the subject. Wow but yeah so you. They sent me the material and stuff like that must have been a confidence as well. It was a confidence boost but it was still twenty free. You know it'd be playing for a few years but But it was nice knowing the the i must have been doing the right thing of definitely on the right track. Yeah did you. did you ask the md. eventually how How did and he was like. Oh so you The jam session on great portland street. Okay or john. Theme is yeah and I'm pretty sure i have a couple of times. Don't have yeah you know. I'm pretty sure jumping. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. I'm so grateful for him just Seeing this young kid and giving me a break. Do you know what i mean. Yeah and So that's how you got into. Actually being i mean you'd been paying in bonds kind of because you've been doing those sessions. Yeah yeah but actually officially on saw with someone who's writing the spotlight. That was your mom you can you. I mean listening to those songs like really knows a kid. Yeah i was thinking about ten or eleven you know when his songs came out and then you know ten twelve years later. You're in the same rehearsal room plan though song yet. We've that guy that gold record his mad. That's how i that's how it was to me You know when. I sang with lionel ritchie for the first time. I think it was all them. I remember watching watching the videos and everything and this dude is saying. Well crafted and i'm coming out saying his saga with him and he's they give me all the praise like oh my god. It was a very real real mobile very slow. Whoa like how good you think. You are When you've got some of respect and you listen to grind up saying this dude is good and you wanna say. This is really strange mobile for that. Yeah if engineering like you know you get to the point where you where you accept While you are what you've done. And how much he learns. Yeah but there's that crossover moment of going from the dude who has is in the room and wants to be hold them on the stage. I bet on this right now. So i can make the most of it otherwise you know you can. You can't basically continue succeeding with the mentality of the dude in the room. Yeah you need to say no. I belong here. Yes yes and now i'm gonna play and show my flavor into it. You know that that she have actually met line. Look a couple of times a nice nice. Yeah you remember. The hotel room came down one time. Okay and he just turned up. Nice oh i m man and he came up sometimes when you know some of those american guys wanna sit back. Chill came up and he sang game. I think we did like free thousand eight and we did all night long. Oh my heart and soul all lions over there. I'm playing my awesome. You know what i'm saying. You know the thing. I think as well like that culture of i think definitely i've i Missing and probably would appreciate it differently and even more now of just musical community. Yes you know not different camps in over there and then and then just for real you want to hear something you jump on and inspire the next dude in the you know. I was there on that night you know. I think those special moments are even more more needed now because everything is so instant and everything is so you know if you go to a constant everyone's got their phone out and you kind of before you go on to the next day. Everyone kind of knows what the gig is ready. Because they've seen it one hundred times on youtube right whereas matt moment the unsheduled panel and whoa that person in the room and whoever's in the story and that story is just a story you know he was down on that night i don't know if he was down there we'll tell him visa slightly So i used to do you know for the for those did not know there was. There was a night in london in piccadilly. There was a club on record ten room. Yeah the host was patrick allen young. Who lives here and basically was on a monday night. Yeah and you think that's a night where people go out. People grab cutting basically when when acts were on tour. Mondays pretty much will be the day off. The main and people want to come out. I remember there was one particular. Monday night The guys that were jennifer lopez band okay. Jennifer lopez was on tour yet and the guys from her bands came to hang out at the ten room and So now you gotta let them play man you know some of them play and of the there was a bass player there you great and he was playing and as he was playing they did one song. I don't really. I don't want to pay the next june. And he's like paying. Just stay there on the base. But then shook her con up as i'm give me that base back like give me that base back right now. He loved his head of you. Go there was no way. That were on my cv. I was going to miss play. Shaq shaq a con me not playing. Oh hair no i to get that beta remember what yes like a little wing jimi hendrix but man off towards a bit. She tore this filter. Is i remember this note. I know you're holding the microphone to your mouth at the single normally. Hold them and she hit his heino and she pulled the mike back like down to watch hip by she pulled the mic down towards that fob and still on no going through to micro note with clear and go oh mike power shia an otter relentless power. That woman has given about the vocal ability of six voices into what voice. You know what i mean. And she was just great afterwards. Had doubts where You can play them as you'll check a car those those nights those nights with they need to do more to stop the walk right now. Have you stopped. I mean like doing a place on trump street called the pizza pomodoro. Chiro pizza pomodoro. That's yeah yeah downstairs. The last time. I went down there last time but one of the laws recent times. Oh it down there. I could say oh man you just missed man who janet was. Just here. I love the way you still got to say. Passionate though the save passion for the live ten healing the live vibe really gets into your dna your but Yeah but you know with the boy george thing or whatever that gave birth to that whole you know me being seen are then being brought onto that so we we kind of the houses. Yeah i'd say yes. So when i was called by ray gaskins to to play with him Who was the saxophone player for. Roy is at that point. I had done my my tall with boy. George confidence is that the company was there. And i think the fact that i was recommended by this particular person. Kind of just he just out of of things you know the main yet life if he says this is the guy then. that's cool. Yeah you know what i mean. I can trust him and and it was literally my first gig was playing with with ray and his first cousin is jocelyn brown. And and kim zell jenner the main so learn all this material. I don't have to learn. i think. I probably at about ten days or two weeks or something like that. Yeah and So this is before. The internet is the nine hundred ninety five or so lucky. A mobile for a brick. I didn't have my phone. I just got my mobile phone by then but Yes i to me up with him and he gave the cds are for right. I shut myself away. Learn those pieces man learners species go see in him. Play with roy is kinda knew. His vibe genera mean knew he would kind of like. Yeah so i was already kind of much influenced by donald nixon. He toward with. And with roy and stuff so so kind of knew the kind of feel. I should come with yet and we did. The gig was knows as hell but through my theater and acting training i was able to focus my nervous energy. And you just knuckle down and nail the gig review and So i played the gig and he he went man gig yours as long as you want it to mean and winger and fru that that gave you know years you know we had years together. Yeah loads don you just call me up. Hey dino man You know we talk and he said yeah you know going to be doing this thing with roy. What am i say. You know what i know roy stuff and this is me you know like when you see like a act these tiny light of opportunity because you know at this point to artists for me in the world that will like my idols. Prince william and. Roy ayers i i mean i collected so many of his records to the point where there was one piece of vinyl i bought and this is back in nineteen realism. I paid fifty pounds for this particular record. You know the head. Because i it was. It was hard to get. But it was a rare piece. And i had to have. It doesn't mean that much of a fan so this particular situation came along and i. It's ray. I know a lot of roy stuff. He doesn't necessarily have to bring all these banners. Because i if he if he ever kobe for Cover it. i know. I could do it and he went. That sounds a limit. quebec saving hotels and He twenty minutes later. Human roy loved the idea is he was like right. These are the tunes of we. Had one little rehearsal. Do not mean where we now. I think we we had on premises or something like that. She doesn't mean before way came over and then and then you know it was You know set up at ronnie's and and just go over stuff. Roy was never really one for you know really rehearsing he just wants to do. You know if during the gigi something wrong about button off from that if the right people recommend you then. It's going be stunned. I can trust you. Don't mean yeah and it's as simple as that and man. I just couldn't believe it. I was there at ronnie scott's with roy is because i saw that little crackle both shooter i just had to put it out there and he came back religion under main. Seize the moment isn't it. Yeah did you have that picture. Sophomore stage. I was inspired by this. Now i there's an roy is me i'm doing my thing and i'm holding my own. Yeah i mean that that moment lasted for at least two years and it was so funny because i think it was one of the last One of those last free week stints that we did. At ronnie's i think for about two years. Didn't we let roy note was a an actual real fan via yeah and I brought this bag in on the last night of of the loafing so you know like the thirty six. That's or something and I said roy man you got to do something for me. Otherwise on the plane. I'm applying talking about an i. Am i pulled out this bag and had about forty vinyl records all royal albums. Oh who does this belong to the mine is a you sign them and he. He was just like away. Forty of oracle's and that's just the vinyl vida see leading to that. I just put in just the vinyl and was he would have been there all day. And my god you got this you know. You can't find a hundred bucks. I'll say this. All just decided. But i remember him Plague thirty round at one point in the night you know. I just looked around like damn because he was he was so touch. Yeh that's nice and Yeah he was so great. So we've mattia is so great to what we've you know like when they say never meet your idols terms of roy. That was wrong is like no i light is the he really truly portrayed who he is on his records. You know. there's a lotta stuff. Sauntered even talks on his records yeah. That was an eat. Exactly exactly that. You're the royalist music. The he is on the record like poo poo. Lawler yes what he's like. He's like that you know he's a funny man. I mean and we had some some great moments on the road and Yeah i will cherish cherish those you know and I'm just a very blessed. I managed to get him know on the stuff that i'm working on now. I covered one of his songs and a managed to get him to hear it and he was like. Oh my god. Changed the groove. And yeah i mean so Yana managed to get him to play real vibes on my version of of his song at a man. I mean that was that that one day in particular was it was it was crazy day because imagine get roy to hear the track and He was over playing the jazz cafe so it was like december or something and they will playing free nights. I was speaking to his md. And who's this. Keep the middle day free but come on the first night and speak to roy and basically unites kind of buttery. Maputo bay like you know so I had a studio. I went down and spoke to roy. World's comb mound number. We'll plan we'll do it tomorrow. We'll do it tomorrow. I'ma coup so I had a studio booked. I had the real vibes a friend of mine. low me. he's actual real. Is you know. I mean so. All these things was prepared. Perhaps right so as not the date is derived rights. Gonna get down to london south the vibes. Go get roy and do this thing. And i'm driving down. The moats away with the vibes in the back of the car and a phone call from a friend. Who's a studio is a dean. There's been a mix up yet there's a band in the studio right now We're gonna have to report. What will you mean. In the reason we booking are impossible day office closet. Get me some big winning. Then i've got the five pack. I'm driving now man and he said to me. Okay let me see what can so la'mical you back. Let me call you back. So he's ski coming down keepdriving some driving cooled back and he calls me says right. You know basically. Rick james year was. He says he's studio in camden camden roy. Staying right now. Oh even better because you know he was bringing the jazz cafe even yes so as i so okay. I'll go there. He said yeah. Don't worry rigs cool. He will open up the session. You you guys can up. India thing and i thought wow okay so i set up went down to rick studio up there and Smoothly well it was funny. So our to cool roy to say right. I'm here or whatever a red woken up league. So i kind of had to rebe remote. You know we're all right. Listen i'll be down in the lobby in about ten minutes. I'll i'll i'll be down to worry. I picked him up. Took him to the studio and then He's okay okay. Oh these are the vibes. So he picked up mallets and he's he's warming up you know on the vibes and Rick just press play on the track so ahead this track man and in the here roy. Playing yeah real vibes on pretty much. The shows i did to him. He's got this electronic vibes as it easy for him to move with them. And and you can crank it up and enemy s you know so easy for the live situation but by the point of only thing apart from this one show that we did at the royal festival hall. I'd never really heard him play real real real vibes while standing next to him in the room. Yeah and at that moment. When i play the real vibes and hearing the playback of the track the An my breathing the thing. I don't realize i realizing the i. I'm breaking down in tears. Cry out. it looked like decision was even going to happen. I just became so emotional. My hero my idol roy thing. That's let's just say oh. Yeah fantastic moment. So that's crazy. That's a really nice story. Yeah yeah oh yeah. And he didn't take done. I'm not being funny the amount of time that you're saying that he's before we like twice a day for free for years on end. You can't just go and go home after that. Then bill seeming engine. I remember we did three days and it was consecutively. We did like the first day. Paris the second day in tunisia. And then the third day we were out in wales. Wow and he was in his seventies at that point and he handled it lighten. I was muschamp. He handled it. I feel like he was like. Yeah whatever you're prob- you're probably guy. Now try satellite. you know. you don't really know. i will easy day. Saying he was back in the day free. Like how did i feel mash went to date. You don't know about it cover. that's good. that's good yeah Did y'all stint with boy. George lead to any other things like those obviously played me. I mean there's that's not only notch on your journey so you don boy george you. Obviously since i wouldn't say i wouldn't say no one but don't necessarily yes but the thing it did do a solidified within the whole musical community. Solidified my Name my name. Academy dean is yeah he can lead the is a bass player. I mean he is a proposition guy and off doing not particularly tall. I was taken seriously because the minute you say. Yeah i did you know it does he. You're taking series. His name is going to be associated with their signed especially on base. Because that is one of those instruments the drive the music out bass and drums right. If if those two a bad on a live gig you know about everybody's because the whole group is gone. No one's really. You know it needs to be tired. And then everything else kind of set up and move could be okay. But if you're drums and bass a whack whack. The whole all quite knows why it's wrong and my just doesn't feel right even like tori move you you got one of the most the voice of pure but a it but if trump and basil wack nine view. I just don't yeah it was. It was definitely one of the things. Where after that that particular point in time after that i was taken seriously. And then you know after working roy. Yup i was taken very seriously. Okay yeah well you know the whole like you know pop soul rb once you can Jam in a slightly more jazzy vein of things. But we wouldn't necessarily jazz because it was. I mean not. Jazz in wyoming is more complex arrangements. Yes yes yes just sliding yeah zero. The the aren't going to be standing. Four or five roy. I always call him like the godfather of neo soul. Because you guys mary. J. blige covered like quite a few eric. I do the same and you know to me. You know that whole kind of music. Colorization that you even people like the angelo uses is again. Roy is kind of carlo. The those beautiful sofa collars yeah and again when he then on the base can make the right choices around those types of arrays aren't exactly then it's like wall right so and that led on to me then Going into the public domain. Because i remember whilst at ronnie scott's we've we've roy. Is those musicians us pause for because you know if you had your that. Mu a membership. You can't get in going in to see the gigs. And i remember quite lot. Musicians was passing through and know thinking get his did he. Because at that point you know if american is came over american musicians. It was as simple as that i didn't. It wasn't didn't happen young back from south london. Doom playing with here and keep it up. Do we keep it up. I mean you you know yourself. I can be a bold caritas instrument. Do not yet definitely is tight rope. You you know you're doing some of you're very well known for but i want to take it from what's on the record to the live domain yet. Make it sound a little bit more special butts if you musically step on the toes of the artists. You're either going to get look yet or you're going to get a message via somebody else is. We're not show talk and if it continues you might get another gig was what you said. It's a really thin line between complimenting. Yeah what the audience knows. And then feeling is still exactly what i know about. Has this flavor that's been added. Yeah versus dot guys. Got enough for one second. Have in his own party over. That's where playing with. Roy was where i learned how to do that. Okay gentlemen because i won. Because i can't really knew the songs inside because i was such a great fan but also hearing how the band sounded like with donald duck. I kind of knew. Roy would life so i will kind of just experiment a little bit and sometimes you have in the groove. Just stretch out a little bit. And if i got a little bit of look turnaround okay. What we learned back it again. Yeah and you can find your. Yeah all right and again. In within that situation i had Some great schooling according schooling but just fantastic company. I mean on that particular gig. There was a drama called. Dennis davis and he's on the law of the early roy ayers records anthem so he's on red black green album. He's on the coffee album. He's on you know the you. Send me album bunnies on kuala l. But he's also on the whole the july stevie wonder album. he's also on quite a few of the david bowie albums. that's him. Oh ashes to ashes and the yeah said this guy. He wasn't someone who knew about the music. The isolated i. That was his arm. He was on the and i remember. We were playing one soon. We were playing one time and it was a nice kind of discount to what funk took it. And i'll just kind of in the groove and as we playing i i don't think and he's like he's got this look on his face and he goes. You gotta listen to me. Man gotta pick in on. This has been slapped tada via just not just well okay well. He knows a lot more to me. Humble myself even myself in that moment and for arcade let me to really listen to him and full okay. Okay i'm i'm just gonna look and i didn't realize but he was making these just little incremental micro adjustments by inbetween like the verse the chorus that until the hugh you know he may push course just a little bit hint towards pushing no bit more energy come back in the inverse and then once i really with him he started laughing. Joe leave. And i knew i had it. I mean 'cause the end of the day you know. He's one of those guys if the had to explain to you what it was that was wrong and you go no place being on that stage and he would be like roy man. I can't work with catman. Yeah yeah it would be that straight. It wouldn't even talk to you about it. Just be like oh man we got somebody else. I mean ready. He would go to that. Stage means because that's the thing on stage is is a is a Does take some time being in a band. Biggest band small bands wherever everyone is actually listening to everyone else. Yes as well as figuring out time in as whereas figuring out cusworth figuring out as when gay agenda song went to give less house excluding day do need to support and more. We need to just back off a little bit more all. That stuff is I it takes being on stage and giving it time to learn that. Yeah and being open to humble enough to learn that. Because i guess another thing Again you've worked in different people so you definitely need to be able to be able to appreciate that more so than even myself. Because i'm os working with me as the primary whereas you're always that to support. Yeah the vision. I guess yeah over the on stage. Yeah and that vision changes spies so i might be like. Oh just be free and the other person might be like we want. Abc yes it has yeah was talking to say all right. Let me put back what you just wanna go free. Is you know. I've been knowing when to do that. And sometimes it's no to do that even before you've been told you just really coulda suss up the situation and just look at it because it's not as they they need to be right on top of everything and don't want any kind of musical challenges or anything like that. Yeah eddie more import. I guess we just want a particular platform yet foundation musical bed. And that's it and that's right for them. I guess on this some of the some of the artists. It want you to come with it. Come on stretch. Because yeah they they journey. I mean yeah. Yeah so Yea i think working with roy was where where learned how to do that. How to pull in bits and he's been up the music and take it somewhere without the is turning around and give you a let's say y'all my my gigabytes so so running scott saw Seen by A drama md. Uncle frank tanto and He was then like okay. Man you decided nice. And at that point i was doing the little bit of the ayers had this great jingle poop who la la the original record was like synth bass so i'm gonna play the since based on guys. You know what i mean so is running some you case it a little bit. Yeah 'cause miller. Yeah 'cause i i. Basically i'd seen a friend of mine. Mark willis Do that with alexandra. Nu'uanu blew my mind like base and you went home and again in a week. I had but your self driven see someone do something. Do not go. I'm not having that. I wanna be able to do that so a go. I got myself a little space. I'm just based on the woman. I looks lovely. Oh the sixteenth street. It's a beautiful based on the ball. Okay yes so since base and learn that stuff in and you know working with. Roy gave me the opportunity to do that. Yeah and And i also worked with don blackman occur and one of his june synth bass thing with an played that as well on the gig and frank was like. There's a geek coming up and they wanna bass player that can do base. And since he said we'd love to have yes i was supposed to. It is craig david. Oh all right okay. So this was the very first team all bands. Okay craig was about to have because he was doing stuff though just acoustic guitars via in that case then. That is the first time. I saw you on stage as in literally honest because at some point i don't know when it was at some point i did see. That's all okay. You were on that source of that was probably would have been the first time i've actually saw you on on thing is at that point. I wasn't even like you know. I was basically just in st joe's like five years prior. Yeah so my mainstream yeah. Career was not a prospect that point and so yeah great. Wow so yes. He's aligns yes so that gave me brought me into the the pump domain. Yeah but what was what was fun about. It is is because the puck thing had a whole different discipline. They are much more any little ones and zeros. You play it like the record yet but coming from the school that i. I'm not a half the season this season off. But when you do that you is all about the vocals is if you do anything that encroaches on vocals you're fired. It's out that's is learning how to how to just make it sound live here but don't get in the way you lift the artist really make them and i believe freebase you can make other things shine. You can make you shine of course simply for the way you play the bass. Yeah that's that's the whole familiar anyway. That's the whole point. I always say like live is the is the real sal You know you can sell records the real reason that you're putting off anyway. The reason i like to release music music out is because i want people to come and see me live because i believe that's the best version of myself and when you do that you want them to have that experience which to me should be the enhanced version. Exactly exactly. if you want the record. I listened to the record yet. But when you come and see me. I want you to leave and say oh man. Oh wow hebrew game like this was a lot of fun you know so which you know it can be done. There's many ways of of many ways of skinning Don't ever do that. That's not the right thing but yeah there's many ways of cooking the same dish. Yeah for me. I just want when you come see me live. I believe that's the selling point. I believe when someone says you know. I to buy the next record. I wanna come to the next gig. Yeah and that's your and at the same time that's when you can lose someone that was great was it. You know so well no. We don't enter that domain. That only take it to the next. But i remember at one point working. We've you think it has the before we went the truth about love just dropped uptown and we were doing some. Tv's yup and i remember. It was mtv or something. We would doing john of carnival. We'll be doing but there was one of the songs because you had a a real kind of classic soul yet real classic soul field about These things so a foot right. I'm going to go back to four string bass and really get that classic feel and kind of just enhanced living pino on the record yes right. Yeah yeah you should got enough but anyway also penal was using that kind of jameson type motown pro shift so our foot right. I'm gonna go for like the motown jameson. Kill on this. On his groove. Everybody's one shoe we were playing and there was a breach pot that comes about two free times in the song. Yeah on a on the third one awful on go. Put these motels motown jameson chilly. And then we ought to what it came up to me said man whenever we get to that bridge. I don't even want to say listen to see other people to see this. I love what you do that to me that time man. That was such a big compliments. Meant so much. As far as i was concerned. I just really wanted to make musical. Yeah but just knowing the meant so much not do. Because i don't say stuff like that to know what i mean. That mean some of them just cooking clock out yet but you name but do you know what is also you know you. Can you can hear or feel when anyone ever. Bbv's whether it be guitars anyone has gone the extra mile because like you can be back then not sending out cds. You could send out cd. And people thing that the codes they come and play and you can hear blah blah blah blah diff played. They've learned the song yeah. Learning a song is very different to learning. Like you said you know without you even saying what you said that. I would know that you did that. All would would think that he. He's amazing or he must have done that because you sat okay. That's that guys approach. How can i bring my flavor. What approach should i take. you said. yeah. I went back to four screen. Based i can say all that thought process So if everyone in the band does that When it comes together it sounds like nine ten was that i intend to make it somehow. That's because Some people you know they kind of just play to Kind of just get the job done but for me. That's that's never been enough. Which is probably why i wanna play. I wanna match you up a play devastate and it's not issued thing. He's kind of an attitude of all the instruments. The one thing one instrument that really requires a lot of attitude and this is not to do. We take me because you can be. You know technically rubbish. If you've got a much attitude on the particular instrument the base yeah it's just gonna come through the main so we you know to sound that way is not something that can just happen. You have to mean. It has the full intention. So i listened to the record of okay. How is he doing this. So we're thinking that the sound allah is seventy sixties soul. Yeah this so he's thinking right. Fostering precision. Basil juniper mean jameson. Type thing gentlemen. I think all the type of things to mean and that makes for that makes for a damn an and i know i wanna increase. It are no are still. Don't wanna get of your vocals. But i still wanna make you go out. It's a it's a balance. It's a balanced so funny because when i showed up with the four string fender steve levitt the the production manager so proper base. Five string bass pro pro. You know as well you don't realize like sometimes even people just loading unloading out the experience that you'll surrounded by is is I don't know it's pretty. It's pretty awesome sometimes. Yeah yeah yeah yeah all right so look so you got the call Craig told us a big one massive. Oh man i mean he's still going. I mean particular was also can when walking away and filming in everything was just. It was in charge. I mean seven days in the chart at that time. And that was the first time that i'd heard in terms of instead of just applause when you this is the first round screaming the absolute pandemonium going on genetic bike. Oh my goodness the boys must have been that. yes. I mean those. Those are big. Gigs them whatever. Yeah yeah but craig was on. That was in the moment bag right there because still at that point. That was mid nineties. Georgia's big outing was but you know the the eighties. This was some in the mall right guard via the you know he was the ticket. They're not mean. Whoa yeah you know and just depend. Ammonium was crazy to mean playing the first tour and then a few months paying the arena told the plaque all man arenas there yeah older arena dates and Yeah you know plane to those those huge crowds having different to the jazz swing way. You can conduct strict you every night and go somewhere else. This was somewhere. That destination was very defiant. Young you play it just like the record be on the money mania and then but in front of you know fifteen thousand people every night tonight. That's all right. I mean you know what. That's all about good fun. It's good and it was for me. It was the first time doing that. Yeah you know what i mean at that level and it was fantastic love to a loved it. I really loved it so then. So then from craig's one. What what was the next project. Well I remember finishing up with with craig and i remember hearing this song. Cool dance review. Oh i thought man guy with green grass man. I'd love to work with him. Song bad straight after. Yes no. I do not run month. Oh man i met him being seriously. Because i remember it was the last day the i actually remember december the twelve. Yeah t- thousand. Frey was the last thing. I did with craig maida vale studios in london Some kind of christmas pre-crisis thing and then literally i had about off and i got the call bell. Come what will you gal it was. It was that i that pocket. You remember the first promo tour. We did january february. Two thousand four and the go group four one one four one. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah yes. I felt like. I was on top because we're creating the road. Yeah we we've we've used you not mean and songs were good fun. It was yeah just in between Working with craig. And yourself did some stuff with alexandra. Neil so that was how i got to work with billy awry. Yes then has the list limitation at one point. I was doing. My head was huge because at one point a one point i was playing with roy is don blackman and alexander. O.'neil at the same time. Those those gigs you know s. You know he's going gonna say you know. This is why they mean what. I do and also playing with alexandra neil. That's what really got my awful during the craig. David place in space actually lost that race basically only about fortunes on bass guitar and jam and lewis yup funk funk you can't get off the stage i'm turning you ain't got no business in that means so You know working with with billy and and those guys alexander neil. That's what really got my sin plan right up there another main my first gig we've addicts Manning was an. That was the first time i was really actually nervous on stage over there. Yeah because i think. I can't remember what the situation was. But then he called me to come in and do at least gig are picked up the the mini disc of the the called sir and and learn that. But the thing was it was one of those. You know. Meet some festivals. Are i think it was like a festival in waffles. We lows kind of things so we will probably about five or six early evening late afternoon here and So obviously the band before you. There's a battle before that so we get onto the stage. There's no soundcheck it was literally. Oh yeah this is dean. He's playing bass today and Okay you know all right well to oh and there was no house. Prior to that annexed do thing where he wouldn't sing until he was feeling the groove. He did it on every gig. Do not mean. He don't open his mouth until he feels that. Yes i'm feeling. Yeah now. i'm ready. And you stop singing and i remember one of these groups. We'll plan on. We were going round the groove and acts leaves the front of the stage and walked towards me and it looked like to me he. Would you stay romy out. What's i'm playing out that it didn't like a very friendly. it's sick just get his groove. Paid his crew to the draw. He's expression on. His face doesn't change but then he says bad motherfucker. Oh he likes. This guy called play i was. I was certain he was like this guy. Can't play a like that. A bad mother goes all over. Stop to listen you. Because he'd never heard me before. I let me check out. This guy must bring it to the scene. I i was seriously. I was petrified. But you see what i mean again. All those little validation see we've your story the story spin like you know a lot of people i would say you know if you're a baseball or musician. Trying to get into bands and touring in that get in front of people showed them how much you've learned every single time and organically. You've been recommended recommended recommended. Because you're right good I'm not sure if. I'm not sure if that if that that can be the case or the same journey everyone but the key thing is you know put in the amount of time into your own issue into whatever you wanna do wherever it be. Songwriting whether it be singing reverend. Be playing an instrument the bass guitar the drums. Wherever is do that. also say. You've been a very proactive. Socially you know. Say you saw cracking. God i can so your i open to see what is there is there. When the hasn't been that you still going to open nights to just play because you love playing. Do you think those things still hang around the hanging around. Do you think there's as much war right now. There's none of it but you think the every night paying somewhere there as many venues doing that just pre pandemic but hopefully you know i think the pendulum will have been pulled back so far that is going to be a big swing because we have been off real entertainment. Real live music. People appreciating live artistic expression right there in front of them in the fresh in the moment so Hopefully we're gonna see a nice healthy resurgence of some that. How fantastic live music. Yeah i think when the your description of color like the open mic night speak is Other seem very helpful. In your case you know people. Yeah these guys down. Just the that one's good to pick that one out that one's great pick that one out and and recommending you into other bands to get seen and to keep them top of your game was a hasn't in the room of ishmael was very different. Actually doing a gig. Even we've ishmael online is one experienced and being in the room One experience the live small stages want experience and progressing to bigger stages Is is kind of an experience. I think they all serve their purpose yet. They will connect you know bought initiative. I think is like you say loving the that is that you do. Yeah and then to expand on that yeah and like you say you're still passionate about it and that's one thing i never wanna lose the i. I still wanna be like a little kid in a candy shop. You know what. I mean sums of music. It's yeah ease that thing that that's the only way you keep on growing. Yeah and you've never learned to all so you know for the last. How many years have been writing songs and recording and producing an so. There's been so much stuff. I'm still learning. Journey doesn't end so dean from twenty twenty one on what's obviously is still going to do some live stuff. That's always s in your veins. The holiday i need that neither am. I saw that that standard got twenty four seven men. You got me. You got me moving forward. Line for dean. Is that your you just happy content just by that all as the ave you know how. How else do you express yourself well. It's funny because so over the past five years. I've been getting material together in the view of trying to put together a dean mock album. Originally arcana fought the you know just me being a bass player that that would be more of an instrumental kind of journey. But it's so turns out that all the rule vocal guys you see because you kind of end up doing stuff and writing stuff sound and then you know of involved a few different singers along the way one of which is ladonna Lovely la donna. Ladonna done some some. Yes she should brought out. Hey listen man. I mean you know We both want to give you but we also put together with. We've done blackman. Who is one of the legends of american funk a and this particular song heart's desire that is like it's one of the baddest funk chewed of drive on a full. I'm gonna do a cover of it. I mean sacrilege. How dare you cover this phone for a half. You're going to just cover. I'm gonna put means my own stamp on it. But i'm going to get because we work together and sadly back in two thousand thirteen don sadly passed away so i wanted to do this as a kind of tripped tritium. You know covering one of his songs. Yeah and using as many of the guys in the band. I could get either myself and ladonna seeing lead and And junior curtain on drums. He was he was playing drums with with me. Don guys well so but don man vocals. Oh yeah she came. She did the vocals here on earth and she samak. Oh my my gosh. Absolutely she sounds tran flipping testier. Still current project is everything. You is passion. You can tell one thing from today's podcast. Passion is is huge wendy's generally so so that's good so you'll find your passion into that as well and it's a pain mark album. Has it gone name you still. You're still tinkering. i'm still. I dunno because of obviously i played you quite a few trying to trying to trying to come across his work at. I've had the thing's amazing people is it just sounds. I might even call the like named the album. Oh my quoted goosebumps because there was a someone of goosebumps some butterflies love that share and polls show the name. Kinda sticks out in my. I might use that. I don't know if you don't to get to album stance that might be the That might be the name of the album. I so that's a good name. Good but as i said originally. I didn't really see me singing anything. Yeah yeah yeah. I think a lot of times we limit ourselves. Yeah just enduring whatever. Because i always been the guy at the back back is one thing our dean base. These like gig. I used to do the host of the show. You say an on the base. We have the face play. Make these faces. Some people didn't actually know my name. They just need the face. I remember somewhere in the face to face to face radio face for base. Yeah you know what we've been. You know just like the guy in the back album the face you know. I'll tell you a little story. Because as i say a managed to get roy to play on the album a part of the the deal was the i i helped him out or one of the shows. Go right so. I helped him out with some. Bbc's right because yeah he didn't Muffing on that particular show He's normal. bv guy. john presley didn't wasn't able to make the show. Whatever someone said you know. I worked for many years. So i know everything so for k. l. Be for you as well. He's all cool cool so you know help. Landline me session. You know put the finger. Was that day. I just oh. God i'm going to be on stage and even holding an instrument are was never did came in here come into the studio broome took out a couple of temporary move on that stage singing empty-handed i can't do familiarity comfort comfort like the edison days. Me myself with a yalcin. Bb's for you. I don't because i think view. But i'm leaving but yeah i had triangle even have dry lip. But you still hold the triangle. I feel more comfortable like. This guys is hilarious. Yeah that was funny. But i guess at some point. I'm really going to have to get my act together. yes of just taking it to the next dimension. Yeah yeah yeah. How did you when you when you did not talk about. How did you have the biggest know. The thing i think is with anything though the more you do it the more you'll become more comfortable and eventually is to second nature second nature man enough to get second nature kind of quick are you gonna. Are you gonna drop the album soon or is it more. You're just gonna continue until you feel. It's perfect in your eyes and then you're going to do it like war is. Is there a time a bit above. Because i'm i'm getting the first one ready. The one with roy is your ready. So we're because because i'm kind of just doing every field not signed or anything like that and their skin so i to learn to do everything to the mixing and stuff like that and does on a lot better so you enjoying that. It's a real. Science is science science. That never ends genital mean and so. I've i've improved and i've got lot better so what had to do. Go back and listen to some of the stuff. I've completed at the beginning stage. I'm not okay different. Yeah different so. I went back here and then i remixed I wanna touch you baby. The Covers roy is sound wicked now so it cleared yes. Oh go get that moss did but then you know now going to start thinking about all the other things you know the the the mocked inside the digital w all that all that kind of stuff so i have out there you know by the summer or whatever and finish up the rest and stuff you know in the meantime so probably towards the end of the year you have like a full dean mark project generally main and then often that when the live. Oh okay open again. I'm ready wait on the stage shredding basis. All over the cutoff telling you murder base. Yes i'm ready for the live thing and but you know it's it's looked down. At least i will have something to show for this lockdown. I was gonna say how's it. How's it been. If on the whole the whole people saying june june july jerkin next edge can. When do you think it will be back sir. I've done what normal is i. Don't know i mean. I hope that we can keep to this road map as it as it were but as we know with the i've never seen anything implemented without the sign difficulty turns. I mean speaking to someone say you know if you've got ten thousand people in the field or more. I don't know what the regulations around we're gonna be a limit As ingredients you know trouble is highly probable that there's gonna be some sort of regulation regulation in terms of getting getting these things back into operation. Yeah mean so. I think it will be over optimistic to think that yet. It will buy right to normal as it was. You know it will be going back to normal. There's there's going to be a difference for a little while before we fully gets back but as long as we start you know we've got stars numbers we star and get people back into listening to live because you remember live music for me as i i. I've said it before you know. Sometimes you get those kind of venting. Facebook posts had but i really do believe that live. Music is really a huge part of people's good mental health. it really adds towards really good wellbeing. Live music. I e can only do you good and i think once we're allowed people really appreciate Now there's been a break probably even also. Oh probably i think absolutely definitely milton than than pre pandemic people who they. They're really going to appreciate it. And this is a funny thing because we've always as musicians. We've always appreciated even remember when we did the Those couple of weekends with robbie williams take a couple of pitches new place up on facebook and you know the the common phrases. I love my job and even back then pre pandemic we knew it. We knew that this is the is an incredible life to have definitely genital mean. Now you know knowing the yes. No that if we can get back to that then it'd be live is have even more of a great value being able to share music with people who have so much even more great values. I've really hope the we We can go back and give people that. We've more feeling a more relevance yet more enthusiasm. Yeah more of these cool. I think it will be. It'll be great when we made that musical return dana. Thank you so much for jumping on the show Absolute pleasure yeah. Hopefully there's a young not just base pair. There's a young musician out. There who either has been inspired already by seeing you on stage somewhere or is going to take up that guitar and take the next step from into the room to the actual stage once everything gets back to normal and you know start improving on that croft and it's not commute thing right. I enjoyed that one. Always nice catching up with. If you'd like to follow dean on social media facebook dean mark and twitter is dean mark base one baseba. Ss right. do you know what was even better than conversation. We had off towards dean. Decided to do a little cockup and he made some so fish fritters that was like the highlight of the day. 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QLS Classic: Tawatha Agee

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QLS Classic: Tawatha Agee

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It was just insure applesauce oatmeal and I lost nine pounds. You look great thank you. Well somebody getting everyone else. Okay how that works. And within the that we're not messing around anymore. Now mr watt the. Because you know we'll swag there. You go nasa global cosmic ladies and gentlemen. I pretty much said it all in my role called but Scrapie political or your our guest today is probably one of the most connected Artists to the world of music There's literally is there anyone you have not worked with. What was it close but no cigar. 'cause this studio work this is alive. You sing with everybody all true true i. I wanted to work with bonnie raitt. But she doesn't use female german. Yeah welcome to be one of only two other Really might my dream is to just name an artist and you give me a story. But i actually want to know. Where were you when i first things. Oh one in pittsburgh raising newark new jersey newborn pittsburgh pittsburgh. Don't ask me about it. I don't know left you off like one no there. I was hoping advocate action. No i i did hard time at a the crowd house back. When that was you're chugging station square doesn't meaning newark newark. newark new. Look so your family was from pittsburgh and they migrated to newark. Yes by way of alabama talladega birmingham night day and night. Okay yeah i love it. That's what people know about okay. How many siblings do you have like what. What was your have two older sisters. I'm the baby racing no-one sayings in the family. Wow not even know my father homes. Yeah so wow okay. We never had this scenario before here. Everyone comes from musical family show to other. So how did music in your life if your parents and your siblings weren't charge of course and i always listen to the radio. You know listening to the music on the radio listening to Pop radio army radio in newark and lino constantly radio and books. That was it for me. Was it tolerated household because normally the common theme would our guest is like. Oh yeah secular music. Oh no no no. It wasn't like that we had the ink spots in ruth brown in The you know twist and shout is brothers. You know things like that. So they were music fans but they weren't no no singers. Well no singer with an f that that's the the the The magnet magnitude of of her presence when she walked in and said his name. She's like oh with an f e just confirmed he's gonna correct mr author so with with your like how music into your life than with an hour outside of churches for as you wanting to take it seriously and church foremost foremost and i played for my church choir. When i was a little girl and i went to a music arts high school and then went to howard and Graduated from howard. And that's how mitt to may and And the rest is they say is a musical history when period of what what period did you go through. How did how. Yeah i was. I went to from seventy one to seventy five. Graduated in seventy five with a bachelor's degree in music. Education k everyone that i know that is going to howard in the seventies has the best stories. Ever like great tells me about. Cnn Hathaway who know what's her name Roberta flack miles. Davis is a betty. Bette davis at a homecoming at hampton at hampton auditorium Cramped ram crampton auditorium Let me see when i was there. It was Pharaoh saunders For homecoming pharaoh sanders. Miles davis football. Homecoming were migos. Lot boy jay. We shoot it down. So was that prime choice. Where you guys. It was like all right. We get pharaoh sanders. Well no no. I was into gospel music. It didn't. I knew who those people were but i didn't. I didn't to see him. I never went to a party at howard. No never never no church girl did you. Shell on the and through. Did you ruined through never stopped in the yard just to chill and talk. Yeah what what i would do was in my dormitory. We had a piano. I would be in playing gospel music and people would come around and listen to me. Play dorm was Meridian hill off campus. I know pre to mate donny. Hathaway interactions whatsoever donny. Donny was had graduated. The time i was there Burden donny had graduated but When i was there when like i said gospels. Richard smallwood was there. Richard smallwood saying in a group. I think in a group with which small and And angela when bush was also in my class dot. Very good. I wanted us to. Oh well look. We had no imagination. It was to wafa alette and let rigs with a phenomenal phenomenal pianist on par with richard smallwood or any classical pianist. You would ever want to to hear She's she lives in sacramento now So it was to wada angela. Shelton becton who is. Now he's on broadway. he does He's music director for audra mcdonald and Let me see who else to wealthy. Let it that was it and shelton becton. We will not am to may was looking for a group to produce A friend of ours by the name of louise west who was an attorney New into two major. He said come on down. Listen to these kids saying we sang for them. We did some demos. That really didn't go anywhere. But i stayed in touch. Okay what was the gospel circuit. Light like were you doing any gospel circuit whatsoever. We really pretty popular I- gospel name is genesis but there was already group on genesis. But we didn't know that because we didn't listen to that kind of music so jay back no. It wasn't like that we know we didn't take those kinds of liberties but You know we did pretty well at the church. People knew us in the dc maryland. Virginia area any notable churches or notable Accident we today that you guys would run. Oh no could you tell them. This is nine thousand. Nine hundred seventy one seventy two so No can tell you people that i liked. But i didn't work with them without work with them. But i'm just saying like well who were popular at the time who i liked. I liked well of course The hawkins walter hawkins now particularly edwin. Walter this was. Oh my god. this is before kirk. Franklin this was this was like james cleveland. The hawkins myrna summers People like that. I like the mighty clouds of joy. Yeah yeah so you know so those church services word oh i went to the star bethlehem god and christ that the church had a band and the band was really really good And if you've done your research you would know. I did a song called by the time. I get to heaven which had a big band but i was like nineteen years old and i sound like minnie mouse better. I mean that was my first recording really. I was so excited we can find. Trust me. we stop at church of god in christ route youth choir. Yes so i'm dc win. I always wanted to know when churches visit other. Churches is it almost like a battle atmosphere with is simulating. Are they sitting there while you know had to go and do your thing you know. It was competition but healthy competition healthy competent. Did you find it now. Starting as long as you don't have a picture because everybody apples all you saw was like lollipops. No but i mean it was a battle intimidating at all except a challenge because that was healthy. That helps you grow that help you become better than what you were doing. Okay so we found exclusive real youth squads choir. Yes and visit seventy one Early seventies okay. It is recorded in detroit into charts was live. everything was live. We couldn't go to a studio. Was it loop method. The news is good. News for jeff. It hit remix the base so loud. It's all yes of course. I wish i went to wait. it was. It was a set every sunday. So we're sitting at this table. It's like three four zero thousand standpoint right. I'm listening to over to production and traffic islands. Listen i also was thinking. Wow i really missed out on church. We don't go to church. I think much different. If every sunday went to that as opposed to and what was the size of the sample like let me see it was a maybe four piece ban. And maybe like thirty forty singers. So how do you manage to to finagle your way into Elite spot and is that a coveted spot. Well i was selected by the choir director. Right but house acquired erected. No the forty of you. Who's my most dependable. Well you know. I i guess i i was a new girl and he. He liked sounded. That was very shy so that was make like coming up. I you know what. I'm trying to actually get is. I know that a lot of Mavericks in our business Have to put in a lot of hours as far as practicing and rehearsing and that sort of thing. So i just want to know what was the the choir rehearsal one night a week. Did you know service. On sunday we would visit other churches. I mean that was rigorous rehearsal. No no not like that. Okay so i just see. Another one of my favorite gospel. Singers is on star. bethlehem require them crystal myrddin. Yes she was. Yeah she would love that sorry. Having a moment. I know you had a favorite gospel artist missiles i grew up on crystal. Yeah so once. You were dumb with howard. You're you're planning your goals did you have. Where's your major our music education. Okay so you wanted to do something in music. I wanted to be a music teacher. And i thought that's i was going to do. Got out. and there were no music positions available. So i was i started to sub. And you know you know some news you get up get dressed and then they don't call so Then i I call them to main. Who said give me a call when you come home. You know from school and i called them. He says well you know. I have a few sessions coming up. Would you like the same like sure. And it got to the point where. I would be making more doing a session a week with him than working all week as a substitute teacher. So it's like. I think i'll try to sing and i've done it ever sent. It's been like since nineteen seventy six sessions pirin at that time. Oh my was it a good living up in one thousand nine hundred seventy six. Yes yes it was sessions. Dan you would get maybe three hundred four song just singing background. That's just the background okay. Leads us more. Even i knew more before. Solo is that multiple times in studio for one song or is that just not one session like a day like every day you get three hundred dollars. No no no no. It wasn't a session a day Maybe we do two or three songs a day until that per song. You know who's like a community of of you know that you're part of when i hooked up with him to maine no. It wasn't because he was they were trying to do like a self contained thing but I did get an opportunity to call. luther for a session because he had a a a big jingle for juicy fruit gum and i liked these boys. I called him for session and For them to may session by the way and i called him and gwen guthrie. Who who with a notable then Gwen guthrie brenda white luther vandross lani groves i called all and they all had a connection. With roberta flack who to reggie works for for minute till you know. So i i did have an introduction to them but i called luther for a job and we hit it off famously and so You know. I would try to call him as much as i possibly could. And then he called me for work and then after a while i was you know. One of his core singers and i went out on his first few tours as a solo artist. He's seemed like he was one of those people back. Then who had. Who knew all the gigs where he knew he did them and he was kind enough to you. Know to to pull me in. And then that talented fonzie and And that's been a lifelong friendship. So note Bill since you're connected to sesame street. Did you know that. Luther was on sesame street. I did the first two years. What was he doing singing. What was it was a group of him. And nihil him nile. Robin clark fonzie thornton net. Add i was gonna say all of them all because there are a lot of photographs with them. And i did years later. I did sesame street. Also on as a singer as a singer. I did like i. M chicken hear me roar. You know i'm still. I'm still royalties from that. Yes good for you. Sit down every day. Used to be like they. Okay rolling. oh you know. I wouldn't go to the bank unless i had x. Amount of the check and deposit right. You know that's beneath me only have eight yeah now get checks. Twenty-three cents fill in. Yeah so when you're when you're grinding the pavement for these background especially was it mostly and and Record at work or was it jingle work or all in the beginning. It was recorded work Record yet record. And then after a while the jingle people want it the the The singers who sang on the popular records. And that's how. I got into jingle singing. So they they didn't want it to sound so generic anymore. They wanted it to be a little more soulful and have a little more personality so with that being your hustle and that tight circle those names. I always see fonsi thornton lonnie and yes. So was it a first of all. I mean it's like six six or seven of you. Heavy hitters. But i know mostly background vocal. A background workers requires three. Or four singers. Right was it so much work to go around that you didn't feel certain way if you lost a gig or like who determines like okay for this. Feels hammond project out You you know you and you fulfill is To may was to producer. I was the contract. So i could call anyone i wanted so i was i i got. I could call whoever i want. And whoever i got along with whoever i thought would work musically for whatever song we were doing how much. Yeah how much prep time does one have as a background singer. Most field like the prep priceor is like your half court and you better this ball in house right. So have you had situations where you might take a chance on a newbie singing. The no no no for sure no because when whoever singing with me also represents me. And i had a reputation reputation to withhold and so if there was somebody new i would work with them on something else but nothing You know. I couldn't bring them in on on eighteen thing. I couldn't do that but there are. So how's how's housing new. Jack sorta get ushered in well. New new. jack. And i tried to do that but of course during that time people had other ideas about how they thought they should be in the business and after they thought they knew more than the person that was bringing them in. And it's like oh you off because willing to learn you not willing to learn you think you can come in with like everything out out you know chest out and it's like the don't work like that because you in the at the end of the day you have to be professional you have to sing. You have to get along with people and then in for my work is i got a lot of referrals. I've never had a business card or manager. I just got by on you know people were so that meant a lot to me and you know you have to told me you have to remember what you represent when you go out and so i tried to instill that in in the thing that i tried to bring up. Who of the clientele that i mentioned. Who is the fondest memory of your of everyone that you work with. Who is your like. That was always have gray sessions. No doubt finding flirting five point That's that's that's that's my writer. Di was he so un like he. He is everyone's go-to guy for singing. I knew he had solo records. Yes why why was he. Such close but no cigar contended. He d always have to have the cigar. Nilo okay. that's a the well. You know the thing is. Everybody doesn't want to be in the front. I mean i was happy to sing background. Perfect and i was happy background. It just so happened. We had a song that became number one. And and then i had to be out there. But it's not that i couldn't handle it. I mean because that's from our church brag background. I can handle crowd can handle audience. But that wasn't my goal was not to be in the front well. Okay but in the case of luther who started out deeming the background And naturally became a star. Yeah were the were. There were fonzie thornton to also follow him and in the footsteps to well you know what we all did sessions. And then we all had opportunities to do solo records and then if that's where it took us then that's where we would go but if not we could always still do. Okay yes still get for me. It was another project with another project and thing was to get the projects. Get the union time and get you know you know talk about. Would you love about background versus being outnumbered. I love the support of it all. I love seeing the band playing and everybody's participating everybody's contracts making a contribution to make something whole you know whether it's lenny kravitz out there whether it's the dave matthews band who i absolutely adore It's like it's always a learning experience. I don't have to be in front. I enjoyed participating in making something and creating something that the audience was gonna love so we didn't have. I didn't have to be in the front. I'd be so happy singing behind curtain globes. I didn't say money do you prefer As far as when you're doing session work in studio is it. Is it mostly separate sessions. Are you in front of the artist. Like sometimes i'll call back around says whatever end. Nobody's around the producer. Oddest doesn't have to be there. Have to be there. Because when i was coming up to producers knew what it was supposed to be weren't ten different people doing different things producer new with the parts of the producer and the contractor. 'cause usually the contractor was also the vocal ranger so so in my case i would hook up with him to me ready to see what they wanted and you know they get the song and you know we create some background parts. And then i'd go on to teach the parts to the singers and then we you know law okay. Who was the heart is. What was your hardest challenge as background singer. As far as someone that you know is a hard taskmaster or songs that you had to go over and over and over. take after. Take up to james brown Well that for me that the only time that happened was when i was doing the songwriters hall of fame and we had you know there might be ten people on the show you know. So we're we're in the house band so we have to learn all these background parts everybody right. And then it's almost over and barry. Manilow comes in on his expertise and he has a seventeen page of intro. You know he's got. We got seventeen pages of music for his His his opening. And it's like oh and it's and it's tomorrow the performance. Tomorrow you read on site no okay with me. Music people put. I don't read. But i could spell because i used to do jingles a lot of jingles and people would always tell me you know you have to know how to read to do these jingles and then it's like and the thing is if the thing is only sixty seconds long. I can't remember something that sixty seconds long. The national even be here so goes up my parents. I'm sorry my dad lives in me. No he was like you know grew musicians and you know you gotta learn to read. And i'm in the case acquisitons. He would also say like it helps to read and put them in front of you but always felt that those who read didn't feel was missing ears nicholas. Never whatever they wrote it was. They never ended up singing on the paper. Were never never never. Because it's like it's too sterile and you know some people's like well you ha- you can't change any of my music. It's like well okay. We'll sing it but it's not going sound right so the option is to demo or to read it right. Is that what you're saying like either you can hear a demo or you have to read it. You should be able to do both but the thing is some people who just read. Some people read fly do. Do you know what i'm saying. But it's like you're almost feel like i was as a youngster. I was told like you won't make it unless you read like long. But i i haven't had to use it for no no reason at all but if you're if you're reading you're not listening. I feel like that's the big thing it's like if your focus on reading the piece of music music and it's also right at miami saying i suck as a musician terrible. Here's like 'cause i didn't. I didn't grow up as a person who listen to things i grew up with. It was visual with me. Like saw the notes on the page. That's what and so now when people are like what quarters that i'm like nope nope non-readers my i'm program to absorb long phrases. Yes thank you. This is my confession did so we're Some notable that you've done that we might know. Oh oh burger. King kentucky. Fried chicken When the airlines had individual Songs can tell you that you know no way. That's too early right on lake. You know no no mostly groups that afraid you know burger king. I did have a like a solo And then my first foray into like loving jingles was hearing. Phyllis hyman singing a burger king commercial. She was seeing mba's like ooh hot. And sizzling bacon bacon cheeseburgers jazz. You know what i'm talking about. It was for me. Dot burger king. I remember it was a fast food. I remember i remember thinking about to. Now donald especially straight up. That was a long day that you're one of those singers that you know that you can dissect within four seconds. Even someone speaking voice if if they can if they could sing or not seeing like just based on more that. who are your lu- your idols. As far as not favorites. Like oh i love this record but as far as seeing like who is your your michael jordan yearn. The michael jordan of singing would be any of the clark sisters any of the clark sisters your my first courses to show lights weeks ago man. Did you enjoy snoop brought them out. Oh y'all gospel. I am essence and it was amazing. You gotta play dance record amid sometimes so yeah all right. The clark sisters I like the clark sisters i like. Dj rogers I like And these are like not not like the famous famous people. but they're famous anyway. let's see. Dj rod is karen. Clark i like younger. Woman misled issey. Oh let's see she's she's a real she's she's good really really good. It is easy for her. That's that's the talent. But i also alike richard smallwood. Even though i've i went to school i went to with him. But he's just such a talented singer but he doesn't sing as much as you hear his songs but you don't hear him singing that much but he's a great singer. I also love i love. Marvin marvin gaye. Nine hundred seventy five. I want you any cut on. That album is just amazing. I like leon ware which is almost the same The same thing. Yeah and Who else love little. Jimmy scott A ceremony on doug jean carne regarding fine but the jazzy stuff. The doug gene gene corn. And oh yeah so how. How influential is i know that you you were committed to gospel in. Yeah but as far as jazz is concerned how how influential is that. And as far as raising. And you're no no no no no. It's all the planned on somebody that i like. It doesn't matter what they're singing. It could be it could be. It could be country. It could be anything. So i listened to a lot of music all the time. That's all i did. Read books and listen. Listen to the radio so whether it was wabc. Or w in new york or cousin brucie. Or whether it was a w any w which played like frank sinatra and You know was the guy I left my tony bennett I listened to all of that. So i would incorporate all of that into what i was trying to do so i took a little bit from everybody and didn't try to induce. Meet my own. Gumbel can be really exhausted and feeling like you're not being heard whether it's your food order not being delivered correctly even know you know you typed it out the way that is supposed to be or your partner. Too busy watching their favorite instagram. Live while not paying attention to you or just like the world right like just ignoring you. Yes it can sometimes feel like shouting to a boy without anything changing like hello. 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Yeah so. I wasn't doing anything else. I needed something to do and if i can make a few coins if i could support myself and doing this something that i realized that i loved you know it's like well then. This is what i should be doing. You know and just. Luckily i mean but i you know you know your parents always tell you you have to have something to fall back on. That's why he went to school. But by the time i needed to fall back on something it was way too late for for me to be teaching. So arming the then. I just went to the next adventure. I call adventure in my life. So he was singing background. It was doing jingles. It was going on tour with bryan ferry and roxy music. Which was the first time i went out of the country as like. I'm a girl from newark. I you know when. I checked into my room in england is like i thought i had. Brian ruined the room was so big. I mean i didn't know. I didn't know i'm just the lowly background singer. So was like you know. It's it's an adventure. My life has been an adventure and every group that i've worked with. It's it's taken me to bigger and better places so we've had james in to me on the on the show previously But i i know that you also worked with reggie. Lucas is writing partner. Can you describe you know. Because i don't know what was reggie like to work with as far as we call ready. We we gave everybody a name. We call reggie edgy edgy. Lucas like twirling his hair trying to get get stuff done. You know to his fro trying to get stuff done. He played guitar and was like why. Is it so loud. Reggie white plains a loud guitar but you know but then i realized he was definitely one year. I didn't know so we didn't. I didn't know didn't know but no ready was call and he to me They worked well together. So and i was there. I was there for every single session. It was so new to me. I would sit on the sofa at sigma sound while they were tracking the every song they had written. And it's like. Oh my god. I can't believe i'm sitting here watching this stuff being created and then for years later. Still stand you know. That's that's you know. That's the the beginnings of also describing love me. Because i used to sing at the reference and the reference locals each artists that they produced. So you know. I was pretending like okay. Maybe i'm not being front but this is gonna be much chance to pretend front so i'd sing my little. Song listing for stephanie. Thing for phyllis you know. Zoo was great. He told us that One of his artist followed her to the t- That she demoted song. Met can't remember. There was so impressed with your performance. I was wasn't phyllis forget. The song was always too hard stepping out. Stephanie and two hearts because we had to you know put the song down for teddy here and so staffing and i went in and saying to heart and it was like i wrote that song. Okay so it's like you know. I'm seeing at first. I saying the the whole thing and then they decided to make a duet. Gosh oh because teddy was like we can do this. Duet with teddy stephanie. So it's like okay now. Let's do the reference vocals. So stephanie and now went in and sang it. Was the battle royale loved it. I loved it. And i have so much respect for her because it was like okay. Two little girls too short ones at the mike and it's like don't is getting higher and higher and higher and it's getting more intensive more intense like it was the heavyweight belt and it's like but we both want. It was like much respect because people don't do that anymore. It was it was great and nobody can find. Oh nobody can find a tape. It's like where is the tate for was on the case. You might just need to record it down for that. Because he's my girl. Supreme stephanie mills and phyllis hyman the big ups to them because they were the most amazing people on stage. They gave great performances in stephanie. Still doing so with now. Now you've got me fight. You know because the thing is that only in movies as people recording tandem at the same time. Oh yeah oh and always say to myself. Oh i've never do that. I'd have separate. But then i'm like person from the other person you gotta you gotta have somebody standing there. They gotta be singing. Always recording do stuff alone was like in my head because we'd be tracking the songs in and i'd be singing singing the reference while the band is planning either with here comes bridge so they know when the bridge was coming in. You know so. It's like yeah so. I mean i love singing with singing off of somebody you may. You know you got us. You know you gotta have something to bounce off of. Its who's your favorite. Bouncer added stephanie. Most word she's mobile most worthy lover. let's see luther luther luther like working with luther. Because i there's there's there's only one clip on youtube of which he's teaching his background singers Different parts like thing. That had the camera running in this door. In the maybe the night. I fell in love. Love album was like yeah. I felt like two hands on the camera. Rca thing but it was. It was amazing to watch. But then i don't know with musicians. Are tim dating enough. Luther was he was for real. Like michael was bro. Yeah he was saying like the engineer that everyone on the plane to the pirate ship have so like was he is level perfection. Oh is something that. I don't think even exist today. It sounds like you're one and done. It was supreme supreme and everybody came in knowing that it was gonna be the you know it's going to be some next level stuff you know but is it hard. Is it hard when someone graduates to that next level and then they have. 'cause i'm certain that no one starts off with demands and i want it done the right way but is it different relating to someone when they're on a certain level in may graduate to a next level and then well i mean well you know what we were there to see that and we were all growing. I'm just part. I'm just happy to be have to have been a part of that family because we are all still close to this day of those who are left but luther had high expectations. But then so did i. Because it's like. I'm coming in. I'm going to give you like two hundred percent because you know i know i can bring it so challenged me to do what you want and to give you the sound that you want and luther knew exactly what each person could do and could not do and so it's like okay To you wanna. I want to sing second. I like to sing second. 'cause i like to push push the soprano so so sissy to miss cissy. Houston would be singing the top. I'm singing under her. Then we'd have Oh my god. Who cindy cindy came later cindy and then lisa came in later as a matter as a matter of fact replaced me because juicy fruit to come out and i had to go so Lisa and then. Oh my god. It's like the level of expectation was high but we all came in there knowing that you know we were special to be there because he selected us to sing. Did you ever talk with them as well or just i did. I did the first couple of tours would would luther. As a matter of fact that a clipper bus. On saturday night live. We have on our friends jumpsuit. Yeah yeah yeah so was. This was the stage presentation. Like i i think by the time After busy body none of the night. I fell in love always out after the album after. Nfl in love was next after seeing a been his presentation the next level the ball gowns and everything. You guys have to go through that rigorous like well by then are also. Let me tell you this about luther luther. I wanted to audition to be luther group. So this is when i had met him. I'd call them for some sessions and he said you know. I'm looking for some people. I called his manager. And he says no wasn't ship says named david cravat and He's he said How tall you. and it's like. What differences amick. He's luther has a height requirement. So i couldn't sing on stage with luther by the at that time because he would have four people on stage. But you know they would. They would all be tall and they'd have to look a certain way because you know he's he's gonna have vars out and stuff but then he also had set of singers in the right. So i'd be in the pit. Sit on a stool is still looking fabulous but you know in. The pit denies the ones that are on the stage. What we didn't have ballgown but we have fabulous and you know an every night after each show because he had like crystals on stone on the ball gowns they'd come up and sweep the stage to get the a crystal that had fallen off much so on so speaking of juicy fruit. Yes now i mean no one can ever plan on lightning strike in and totally unprepared so at the time when you were recording it it was just like another song for as an as an afterthought not really out on bryan ferry roxy music in europe once again to may call it again one more song for the album. You gotta come back. Do this song came back. Did this song. It's like and did he tell you about the the candy kisses. Oh no not lyrics. No this is about the recording. Oh he didn't tell you my confession okay so in to wanted to try something different. He said i got this brilliant idea. We're going to sing this dry as like to me. Singha dragon you know okay. Let's try it like that. It was terrible has dried meaning when they know just like you sing and until like a empty pit and it's like i can't feel anything because there's no rebirth. There's no the sound. Is that bouncing off of anything but just try it wou- if that had come out so there's an initial version take were well. We finally came up with a compromise. I said let's put the born while i'm singing. Then you can take it off when you do it in x. And that's what he did. Oh because it's like this is not gonna work is the dryness. It doesn't work with the voice. So i need to have it. Yes i always wanted to know. Like i mean mostly work rappers. So you know. The the monitor man isn't dominant. You would think that rappers are hard. Oman their their heart monitor men with having their volume on my head up right but you know it's only when i work with singers you know they'll use like a little please and i never knew i was like oh okay. 'cause i don't want affects on but that helps you get into a more mindframe. Yes i see so when it came out. At what point did you realize like holy crap. This is this is something. Well when when juicy came out i was still onto. I was on tour at rocky music for like six months and Of the record the record came out here in the state and so i have a call home to see how it was doing. So well is like number like eighty you know and then it was like sixty and then you know twenty then ten then he said you believe this is one and the record became number one. The week we roxy music came to new york city and performed it Radio city musical and they played it during the during the intermission and they played. They played it so many times into mississippi. Please have them stocks. Yeah so i mean you know. I was working while that was happened. So i didn't have to sit home and worry about it because if i was at home i'd be worried about the record. How the record was lynch since you guys weren't attorney not a traditional band but how is it able to even rise besides the word of mouth of it on the video. Y'all weren't touring if you were actively promoting this was when the when the record i came out in And then after it was like number one for like a week. It's like well we got we got to get together and go out and play for the people and that's what we did. That's what we do but that that was the people's record juicy was the people's record because the record company was not behind that at all. Yeah he said the same thing. Yeah at all still can't believe yeah. Well believe that. Was it true that he was writing. You were singing. The first verse. Oh in he. He likes that he likes that. He likes that pressure. Because it's like look. I'm here for two days. Okay so listless do this. You know i'm today's. Let's have a whole album completed right. Well no no. This was the last song it was the last song. And then we had If you know. Freddie jackson sang juicy fruit it was one of his first press sessions. Yeah he was on. Brigham in as governor must have. Because it's like. I know lousy be equals. Yeah he was just before after the mystic merck. It's well. I think this was before this is before. I did not know that. I have a really. This is a frivolous question. But i just have to know is like oh eighty gossip. Do you know freddie. Jackson and louis demand draws really. Well you know what. I saw them at ashford and simpson had a picnic every year at the fourth of july white white big nick and they were there and they were just talking you. I didn't see any animosity which lets what that was two different lanes that was that was you know that wasn't the same. They're very big presents. both of them. I see okay now. Do to your strong gospel convictions. Look how. I was gonna punishment for punishment own that record then put specific how how by each you must have to i progressed. I'm at my. My thinking was more progressive. Was hour later right. Visit thinking you know i read a little more and became a little more knowledgeable and you know the rest out there in the world. You know i'll say that wasn't sheltered. Let me this rock music for six months. But it was kinky. Adrian balu really and i didn't know who anybody was see. That's the background seeing in a second. Okay but the thing is. Is that with with juicy fruit. See the thing is. Prince is a called artists With own cult following says almost like prince became famous. Kind of an alternative lane whereas juicy fruit was such a straight ahead mainstream saw. That really really pushed the envelope. I'm in mind is like super obvious. So were you. I had no problem singing that song. I s i was. I was just happy to be singing. I was happy to be singing. That was happy that the group that the ban was doing something. So it's like i'm just. I'm happy to be singing. I'm on rolled back with my band. Is like i'm cool. It's like whatever whatever now the question. I really have since. You're such a stickler for perfection vocal perfection. Let's let's go ten years later in nineteen ninety four. Oh come on all the dreams total. You hate slander background juicy. Is that no. I tried to find out who was singing. And i could never find out because all the credit because see. I'm like i'm one of those people. If i sing on it. I want to see my name on it you credits. I never saw that. And i inquired on those background vocals. Ground movies on juicy. Were saying about total cost. And now it's a different. I don't understand. I think that's wonderful alley. No but this is the thing though. I analyzed all right meatballs. Bills battle is probably second. Only deposed. one thousand nine hundred. Eighty eight man are wars concert. I like total total to do. But adam the second one didn't like total but this the thing stops steve total. What i'm saying. Is that in analyzing. That song years later i think the regular -ness of their back bay sounded like it sounded like right and i think that's what worked. Yeah i think that's what that was in my mind about the player. But you know i'm in no play if you want to say did you feel kinda pitchy. Well you know what i thought at first of all it's like why didn't they ask us to do it. That was my first question. But then it's like okay. It's a different time. It's like so many years. Later is the next generation. I would have been jumping a lot of times. People think you you're going to say no. Nobody asked all right. This is how we connected. Because once i realized i mean i've seen billion times in the thirty rock building people right and every time i didn't know that was you and then once you came in when lenny kravitz. Why don't we working together in my mind. I was just like she knows like what you've heard me to like. Wait you come down to my level to work for me like yes. Why would you ever want to work with. I think in our minds just like she likes to check. I mean you replace. Billy agree with by. No now i know and that's the thing like i think most of the time like in my mind. Yes at of all the things that icon about juicy juicy is what finally dislodge billie jean from a number one slot on black music so my mind is dislike. You're above that so. I don't think it occurred that anyone i don't. Yeah oh well. Nobody asks redo get a delorean. Oh nobody asked about that. And i said i think that they wanted us to be in the video. But oh on the bolton rainy once they know this to old people would always young. The young out there thing. I'd rather say seeing you know. I'd rather say your time was rather i did not know who was singing on that and i just know it was just so different from. I think what we would have done but you know so. Yeah i think so did you. Guys tour with with the with that album's oh we do. I think we toured with what a lot usually with accidental hits or at least unplanned from they. Finally the lights like okay. Well you know. We toured with We opened it was a juicy fruit inbetween the sheets and sexual healing brothers. And that was the tour the tour that was the tour. This is what i'm good. Margaret came out and hit the road. Yeah he was driven but now on site something that legendary could never happen again. So is like did you appreciate that moment or was it. Like the show's over. I'm going down when it when it when it was four and two may not always always appreciated because it was like an people here we were. We were really really good. Ban and the performances were amazing and and I just want to say that. When i from working with them to then going to work with luther was a was interesting because with two. May everything was improvisational. Every because they're like jazz guys up there so we'd start out with an intro and the intro would turn into something and you know everybody's saying in an whatever so we'd have the core of the song and then it would just go someplace else but working with other people. It was the same thing every night. And which i had to get used to using this same the song the same way every night nobody branches out and you know does like a interesting solo the same solo every night. It was the same. Everything was the same even the dialogue with the same every night. So you know. I i i prefer to because we we would stretch out. You know. nice. Yeah so with theater the mind. No no you mean. He was That was pushing the boundaries. So were you at that point where you guys like. Okay where the boundary pushing. It wasn't even about pushing boundaries. That's just who we were. How did the concept of that song. That mr ramtane you'd have to ask you. Something that saying lyrics was short. You them to ramsgate. May god was cool. He got a sidestepped. And then i guess he walked off book land because it got real quiet actually thought guys were husband and wife for straight cels video. Sorry those who know who say don't know this is not what exactly what she puts. A lot of people love that song. We've got threats and everything. Yeah one guy. Was his wife here playing this song like a bar. She kept playing. The song on the jukebox is something you know he said you try to tell me something and then and then just. Somebody called a radio station. Don't they better not come to the venue own. Because that's all they were having personal problems had nothing to do with us. It was like singing. The song video came on night tracks. Like it adds. That'd be listened to lack. So how well. I mean when you when you record and eighty seven. Did you do it officially leaving. What no because they worked on slayer was it just like okay. We'll go back to the group the group after it was it. Was you know we had. We had projects it was it was to wath. A record was a project if it happened. Fine if not more projects and the group didn't break up. We started this faded away. You know there was. The music was changing and was like everybody was trying to do their own thing. You know they wanted new jack swing and because we had that we had the new jack swing so know so okay what i want to ask about the states that you're at now with your With your background work as far as doing Live stuff Always wanted to know. What is it with. Because i always knows that the rock is all always pick women have colored to be their their background vocalists from the stones. Yeah so what will they need it for that silver win. sf suites. yeah so where it is right now. Wait i'm sorry thom out. Yes steve go. Ask a totally. What j. gyles band. That was so much fun. And i ran into. Oh my god this guy from the group. Yeah because he was on david letterman it and he was performing in I was i was there. I said you know i say on ready so i remember you and it was like twenty years so i mean freeze frame was great. They were good they will. they will. Funny guys Just that one song or a bunch of songs. I did that with luther. And i think cissy wait what. Yeah check the credits. I think i think it was off because it's like saying get into it. I'm just as you are a search engine nightmare man. Your name's bill. Every richmond's hype away. Oh i don't know if i want you looking at that. I might have notes on their audience. That's what they got so many credits bring in because she. Because sometimes i don't remember so it wasn't centerfold on records also you on center for You know what. I don't remember but i remember freeze frame and that is suing. Thrifts greedy police each night. I go to think of franklin I just remember bits and pieces of the this. I'm not. I'm not singling out. I just saw freeze frame. Wh what has been your most surprising request like they want me on. You need to work all. Oh i'm never surprised daygood. I'm never because if they if they if they seek me out and they know what i can do. Maybe i can add some been do at little flavor to what they're doing this we're trying out shadow whoever's in the front a six i'm just there for support was it. Goes back to your question questions. About women of color your show dora body language via was more like never get to answer my questions. Are you really reading. Steve's body language really just the sugar energy diabetic energy. i'd say eighty seven new freeze frame was probably eighty seven. Noseeums eighty one also. That was before juicy. Yes okay. I see them. But that's a question but so why do you think that is. And i just think we just add with more flavor but are there church that are there. V are there s why the white counterparts that have wrote storms and routes who algorithms background singers. Their white all right. Let's say together forgot about it. Not just got to watson knows about ross documentary about them. And i was like oh well. Why is that on netflix scene. So on youtube these three women saying for everybody right there. S no no rhodes chalmers and roads. I think you're just feeling because you know what you didn't see these people. So i mean if i would read the credits you know i wouldn't know what it would from. Do you remember any dope white backgrounding. you know. I know the people from philly international. 'cause that's not used to read the line. I'm going to be like these ladies right here. And that's all i ever wanted to do was be like those ladies from philly international so because they on everything that philly international deal. What are the ladies from. Philly measurable barbara benson a bob benson. Because her brother went to howard he was a drummer. Vincent she okay. i know she's on. Sit down and talk to me for like. She's only this stuff in roles right yes. I mentioned that i'll wait. Wait a minute did you know you watch power. Yes now you know. The theme song is daddy's home. We no no trivia trivia breaking okay. Okay so ladies that sang with al green but i mean i i know that i like the fact that the rockstars and brock artists would would call for women of color. Because you know because it's so we put this in a monopoly on a white background a well back in the day. Like when joe cocker cause you know. I love joe. Cocker did was. He was great at What's the place in eastern bank of west studio house. A music Bruce nope house music studio in west orange Did i'd say with joe cocker. He was such a great guy. Love heineken voice. But out a little help from my friends he always had a mixed group so just assume because they were in europe. But you know. I don't know i'm sorry. 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At dulles international and reagan national airport's we've implemented new health and safety measures like sanitizing more often encouraging social distancing installing plastic barriers and requiring coverings. So while we may be standing farther apart. We're all working together to help keep you safe. Visit 'em w. a. dot com slash safety to see how are helping travel with confidence. So i can't answer. I can't answer that. I just know that. I like to see the women of color. Well people color singing background. Oh that's right. he's got a lot of dudes too. I yeah because if i went out i would. Do you like lettuce into pips frank. The end the first time. I was like okay so for them. Literally just took my question sweetie done right now with an f. What's your what's your current two thousand eighteen. Who are your current Clientele that you working with. Yes oh no right now. I'm just working with two wafa like Like i'm doing the funk fest coming up with. The martha time can function mary. Jane girls of machine things like the real thing. I'm doing that in and I've been doing that like those those kinds of concerts. You know the What do you call it like old school. So you know ten fifteen minutes and you know saying it You mean he juicy fruit and another dance piece crack. It ain't she didn't see you me. He oh no no no but in my mind i was like damn we gotta i. I wouldn't admit it just hit me that he's see did you did. It was so much fun fell out that that was like that was that was that was really from you. I loved it. And and james backstage like okay. Y'all got everything everything giving his and get i. I don't know why that look looking dusty. Dustin okay yes the dust that i'm trying to not lie this and ask for a scandal story. Is there one act in the arsenal of of work. That you've done that you would never work with again. You don't have to name. Oh absolutely you don't have to name a name. I'm not gonna name a name. How very the treatment. Because i know that sometimes background singers gets read it absolutely. I'll tell you. Did you ever walk off stage and just like no no because you know if i agree to do the job. I'll do the job but you know you always have that option never There was one artist verification singer who was at radio city. Are you know who this is. The one sheila gate know and royalty No not that no not not that one is another one. There's another one like right around here. Who's recently retired recently. Retired us come on stage close fitting. We had pinned in the back of our dresses. I had never in all my life had to go out on stage like that and was just such disrespect for the band and and everybody is like no thanks. No thanks for if you call me again. Why really yeah. I was planning to her show. No her show is crazy. That's always you yeah. I'm not talking about the music part. I'm about to treat the way people are trade. He's like no. I'm not i'm not. I know i know exactly talking about because I work with this person to may walked out on okay. Did you rearrange the whole stage and and just like put this here and put this there and the and it's like. Oh no i think takes the joy out of it before i think sometimes when a person is nervous they might micromanage and that's the way it comes out when someone really micromanage things like in this tiny details on it's like i like perfection but really the shit fear online which is weird because this person. Such a maverick phenomenal thing. But this just admitted that they were scared to do certain things and now they're starting to do certain talking code. I did i got it but i think some shit. I'm just making stuff. Oh man gosh. I think how many questions so much yet with. How did you come aboard with dave matthews van. How long has it been since you've been with those guys okay. I met them in like nineteen ninety nine or something like that and They were in new york city and they were About to do in the studio and they wanted they. I got called from someone from nebraska company to come and do a session. You know you're on is a stay. That was a song that was song. Stay and we I was. I had just been a succession with luther. So i had my girls brenda white king and cindy my said come on. Let's go down to electric lady session. Would they matthews band and this one song and so we did the one song. They love it so much. So we're going to be at the meadowlands whatever they call it now the meadowlands and Could you come out and seeing this one song. We had a bus okay. A bus to ourselves. It's like everybody else all know this is for you pippa singing one song and then we did like that weekend and i said you know we can sing more than one song and that turned into two years two years but wait a minute and then three years ago they call me back To offer. Are you still saying we. Can you get some girls and come back and do the tour and we did two more tours of dave matthews band and that's the that's the the supreme ultimate supreme in treatment. They meant he's been a love them for. I think i saw you on you. Tour our the forties crowded streets out and it was ninety nine jose tour with them. I want to ask you guys came to greensboro coliseum. In greece went up. And i saying the lovely ladies. He call this lovely ladies. Yeah was a great show. All i love you when fontaine quotes dave matthews concerts. I didn't see that there there. I was trying to put my little brother time. Okay ever been. I've heard stories. Today's show improvising jamming. Like that's the shit to me. It was like like the further extension of to may. Because that's what we would do and they they played forever but they all said they sounded amazing and everyone was nice and and everyone is. That's the happiest tour. I've ever been on tours because even even the crew was happy. You know what i'm saying. Everybody was just oh this just wonderful just to be here because it was everybody was cool. They'll stay in the nicest hotels and everybody. Everybody's on the team and that this is true. There's no bees nobis what is the how how long you've been just torn i guess. How do you protect your voice. Take care of yourself. Oh you know what you have to protect your instrument. You know you've got to warm up a dislike the guitar players. You know you know the constantly fiddling and warm you know just plan to keep their fingers flexible. You have to do the same thing with your voice. You got to protect it. Because you know what i i can't take it and put it in the case and plug it in. This is all. I got. So i have to take care of it. So you'll see me in. The summertime would've a scarf on and he needed summertime even in the summer. I gotta protect my throat. Do you unite non dairy tied. You go that far like normal. Ice cream is was what was my first love. And i used to be able to eat that and then go sing. But i can't do it anymore. You know so it was like your pre show so like if you if they saying i show. Time is at nine. We stay nine. when do you start. I wish appreciable regimen. We've been rehearsing up to rehearse the singers you know we rehearse constantly so we're we're always singing so we're warmed up by the time it but by the time it's showtime so you know you just have to even if it's just talking humming but not excessive not not anything loud you know you got to keep it like at a minimum and then you ready for the show you gotta but you gotta practice every day you know these like a horn player you gotta you gotta constantly practice. Do you do those. Like classic. warm up exercises. yeah ladies ladies listener. Yes oh. I have to have to do that up. Even if you just get a basic book with basic vocal exercises you gotta do something every day just to keep keep it open because the your voice a lockdown lockdown. What's your what's your process when it comes to the ranging vocals like when you're in the studio with three different people because i always find that all of the vocalist i work with all it's either. There's a common language. Which is like i got the bottom. You've got the middle. Yeah the top right and we all know what that is could be that being said the top middle could be three different depending on kind of where we are in the thing and also feel like people also. they'll be like the in his do they. They're like church it when church flat to thirty and do all these connect you bill. Just like there's this common like everybody all background singers. I know that that's how they speak and it's awesome is that is the same thing it's like if i bring if i if i'm saying i'm coming in with my girls with brenda. And cindy i'm the top cindy's in middle brenda always always unless unless we want. And we will switch it up every now and then you know just for texture for texture but You know usually if i'm at the session. I'm usually the contractor which means i called them for the session which means i know what the parts are going to be so i teach them the parts and we just gone from like piece by piece. Yeah and it's real easy. Just go in and now. There's nothing that you have to learn the night before it's like come look two hours to get these three songs so you know. Let's just focus in one two three. That's it well. One of the things. I always admired and just i mean just as a kid how i got to know us reading credits i just knew i knew you were from intimate but i remember reading like credits now is like this lady is on every atom bomb. She's on everything and one of the things. I always liked Particularly once i started making music myself and singing and arrange vogel's always admire. I came to appreciate much more later. How will all. Y'all saying in unison. Because it's harder to sing like y'all like we all sang together right one track at a time and then just you know put together. No you got to learn how to sing with somebody. You can't just you know who you said. Kashif used to go in one at a time and saying you got four people here. Why can't we also together and knock it out instead of being for six hours for two hours. So what's your take on tuning and stuff like that these days because you know people just like they. They create backgrounds by tuning. That's right oh do you know that accustomed to that. It's like what do you need that for. I'm a singer. She should already in tune. I mean. Say that. Bob but where i come from. That's the that's just the way it is anything different. It's like oh we'll change it with auto tuning is a little album with it's like what are you talking. Let's sing it. i was a new world. i'm not You know. I feel like a dinosaur when it comes to that you know. Oh yeah actually questioned In doing vocal arrangements When you have you ever run into a situation where you weren't credited for work that you did. Yeah well you know what i just. I look at that as tuition. Fought for something better to confidence or something. That would happen a lot especially to women not to me. John couldn't see you know. You gotta go in your look. I'm the person. I'm i'm the person that you call. When the singers we call to make sure they got their money. I've make sure that the sessions were correct. The money was right. And i've seen the report into the union so i took care of business. I did the paperwork. So not only did i do. The paperwork. sang in did the arrangement. So it's like if you want a job for me as a contractor then you you know you're gonna get your money. Yeah but i always got credit for contracting because that was a union thing. What was it like for y'all win. When hip hop kinda took over for lack of a better word. How did you guys. Just what are your thoughts on the hip hop that. Well one thing that. I started noticing that they were playing songs in two different keys and like the fitness tracker of being one key in the sing would be singing another key in allah. Why did they let that happen. But you know that's the. I think that was called progress. I think it was that was that was progress all know but you hear it enough and you get accustomed to hearing that but still you allow myself to have a certain of you know a certain standard of of of music music. Nece you know so. It's like okay. That's what they're doing. But i can't do that. Have you ever had a bad day in the studio. Because every time i've ever heard your musical you're li like it always sounds fantastic but you always see the finished product. Everybody has was a bad. The day would probably be a great day for anyone else so well. It's probably would be a day when i wasn't feeling well and couldn't hit the notes like i wanted to. I can still hit the notes. But it wouldn't be like the full power that i would want to have so if you like if you're sick or something and you're on tour How do you. I guess if you have a cold or something like how do you sing over cold. How fight through that. Sometimes you have to What what i can do is if i know i can't my high not gone. I'll switch the part with lewis singer and let let singer you know. Take the higher note. And then i'll just sing in. The middle is always always ways around it. Because you've got to be thinking on your feet because this performance is to showtime you know you can't say oh i feel no spot like right before the show would start you switch around the parts like. Oh yeah i know that fucked my head up say i have watched people do that. And it's just like just like throw a little scratchy today. Could you just think the top announcing okay. That's great that's true. yes. I know how to read. Music sprain a that's a cool nickname that we recently had jeffrey osborne on on on our show. So what was your experience like working with. Him workin jeffrey. I didn't live with jeffrey. I like him. okay. I'd love valid love ballad credits. The it must've been a group thing. I remember that I m a credit. I have a follow up question. But it's unrelated to jeffrey osborne. Really just another question. it's not really follow. Where's irene cara. All that is. I have not seen irene cara in forever i yeah what fame right across. Oh what a. Oh yeah what flashdance right. But i haven't seen her in years. I you know. Sometimes when people go off the scene they either the desaturate the family or something or you know. Some health concerns yah not available or not. They just started doing what they did. I mean i haven't researched where she is. Just okay. no no not out there. As a i haven't seen irene cara. You were in a room. Because i saw gregory hinds on your on your credit list to. Does that mean you doing that time. either i was. Oh okay because they have a there for that one because that one. I love that album. But it he had a whole solo do yes he did and then they had this duet that they within. Oh my goodness geoffrey army jeff. Gregory hines was like a great great. Yeah owned. I was there for that one. Yeah i saw recently. My buddy mind static selected uses. I haven't heard this song. That's yeah yeah static. Oh is that again. Terminology the term. Yeah so are you still. I mean writing producing like working like writing new music now. We're working on a project for me now. You know so so look for something probably by the end of the year as a single something but static thaddeus coal like it's got the brooklyn and just like yeah what you want you got. It is still home for you. Newt newark are you still well. No i'm not in newark by like two exits in jersey. I'm in jersey. Are you like active newark. Well i know you're not in newark where you are active newark community because nowadays like who's the mayor now brasco rossborough. I know out my mom lived there for like fifty some odd years and She she just moved recently. So you know always curious about jersey people. Unlike newark cory booker and politics and everything is going on so yeah please cory booker yup senator. Yes look on her face. 'cause i'm i'm not familiar. I mean i know what i read in the news. Any children and kids no. I'm married to the music and that's it as it didn't know you say interested. I wanted to at least fishers and other people that girl she don't have she's not married. I don't think she has time. Wow we're working so this is a background singer thing well for some for some and i applaud those who can do both. Because you know. 'cause i have to focus on my time on my family. I couldn't i couldn't have you know you know. Thank you for the sacrifice Thank you for your service. All right so i hit up to my friends. I know there are big fans. Rachel actually says. She's to singapore fan mail in the back in the day So one of the questions that they sent me Monica wanted to know about some of the work you did with some of the japanese artists like Military masahito loves my friend monica. She loves work. Doing the hip seagull out. Yes tear muscle hino up. Yes yeah he was cool. I got a chance to. Oh my god. I went to japan so many i went there so often in one year is like me. Find a place here. It was like that notaire. Massa was cool. Great trumpet player. What was what was wrong question. Well she wanted to know about hot tea and oh jeez you know what. I'm what i'm trying to do is what i wanted to do. Was the to put something on youtube or table discussion with not you know and But it's so hard to get everybody together. And and that's how i got my social media. Because i didn't have any i was trying to get everybody together like wait a minute. You don't even have social media so get yourself together first and then you know. But it's time. I think because we all went to howard. I think that it's such a testament to the to the university that you know we achieve graduated and all went on to do something really good for our careers and we didn't stay together but we're still doing. We're still in music. And everybody's doing very well in in their particular areas was hardly ever recorded. No we never. We never made a record. Sounds like like a conversation isn't that'd be nice. Yeah that would be great. That would be great. Because i just want people to know that you can be done. We started crampton. We can be done. It can be done and you know. And we're all successful in our own rights so You know. I think it would be a really cool thing to talk with luther at the time when What was the name. Ivan hampton was playing drums for him. There was a drummer ivan. Reason why ask me. When yogi was playing was then and then and then ivan ivan came on after yogi. Okay he was. He was at madison square garden. Okay yeah his asked his wife who also went to howard. I know she less. Ivan's wife brenda. She was I think she was like a music students as well but she ended up teaching law. She comes and she was like our music professor in the same no. I don't know her. But i would. You were ivan. Was there when. I was in your saying gotcha and i used to do was Luther would have me come back if somebody was was had be of somebody was working with somebody else or somebody's on maternity leave. I would go in and fill in for whoever was nothing. Because i knew all this. I was there from the beginning. So i knew all the material was he ever like because all the footage that i've ever seen he just always just seemed so straight like was he ever like bunny. Or last larry. It was so hilarious. He's so witty and he was a great dancer and he was just and we. of course. we're all foodies. So i mean we. We had a lot in common and we all had a real love for the music. Yeah and you know i sang. What every luther album except for maybe two. No no yeah. My mother was a huge luther fan every every album. I saw that your name syndicate was so if i wasn't on stage that one record. Yeah i'm wondering if you were tight with. Alphonse moves on no no no no no no no i remember when i was at howard Donald byrd donald burton the blackbirds and and hot tea and we did a performance with Professor bird and the blackbirds and I was supposed to get in touch with alfonso design. And i never did though is it. I'll path wants to pose the cross. Of of course i know i know i'm the sex strike and after him to assault. Both those names on your on your credits. But she got him right there live we can edit it looks. You got an apple two glasses. Look laurie anderson. Bonnie tyler anderson. Jim steinman own richie. Sambora nice guy. By the way ravon nobody family style. Ricco casick Statement bowie was spoiling lack. Tie white noise with albie sure. Yeah andy the the pro promotional tool with him and we did. Tv's great But i'd jeffrey osborne leon's on here. I just think it was on the human album. The song was called the morning after. I made love to you. You know what. I'm not saying. I did it i just don't i don't remember. I don't even have him on here on my list at that. The spinners ulysses looks a little small too often. You know what this was. The some people still heavy blues blues traveler. John puffer give you the runaround that we'd never mentioned the queen four zero queen. Yeah with franklin. Yes that was all on junk to it right shoulder to like yes yes and i did. Several I did quite a few shows with the queen. Yeah what was that. Like the queen. I mean let me tell you that voice that instrument is like sometimes i would cry. I'm standing there. I'm one of the things. I'm listening to her saying. And i'm like tears baton be intimidated in tears and she still plays. Oh my gosh she can still blah. So i mean you know. She's been seeing for minute but the she is. She is an always will be the queen mcqueen and how was she was she like accepting of new young single. Wasn't i wouldn't like that okay hard. No somebody on your list. Who i wanna have here. But i don't know anything about him personally. Michael frank michael. That was a long time. Although we'll all go a long time ago so long as you like. I don't even know i don't remember blue man group. Oh yeah bloom crummy. Oh you steely dan though. Well you know what that's not up there so that might be with steely. Dan steely dan. I did a album with them with walter of water. Becker and Yes and i did. I did to talk with them. And that was that was you know quested asked me about what i wanted to do. And i always liked steely dan. I would hear them on the radio and does what is what is that and then when they called me to sing with them. It's like oh my goodness. He's like everything dropped. There was nothing but steely dan. Twenty four seven in in the house. That's all you heard. Twenty four seven. Were they superlight perfectionist too. 'cause they were known for being like that in the studio. Was it the same what that was one of those like for note things is like no group stuff because you know there was like would put everything together and like they it more this and less of that was like whoo okay just just saying just saying that's all you had to do what they what came out in the mix like another another thing with live performances like impeccable. Yeah pop fifty two. Oh yeah oh yeah did that. With with nile. Now now rogers. And i also did when when i did stevie ray vaughan with now and rickel case it was with I didn't realize now nile did that on brother's family style. Family style right before The one of the brothers died in the helicopter accident. Yeah yeah and they made us do video right afterward. Are you kidding me. His brother was like destroyed. But we know the record company crap you know they made. It made them video right after took to capitalize off. The you know this crazy one after you did your solo for epic was that did you were you off the label after that. Did you leave out to that situation. It faded away. Faded away just faded away to nothing to come back asking for nothing. Oh no no no nothing like that but the business was straight though you know businessmen straight school so can you. Can you describe. Because i'm not. A singer. always wanted to be a singer. But can you describe what it's like when you find the people that your voice works with What does that feel like. Yes you you can. You can just sort of relax and be free because the blend is so perfect and and and and the vibe is just so mel until like whatever you do is just gonna be cool because you know the voices meshed so well. It's like it doesn't happen all the time but when it does. It's like almost orgasmic. Who's your blinn. who's your your monthly. Blend cindy brenda britain. What do you look for when you're when you're when you're hiring singer. Well it's just can't can are tonal qualities match. That's that's the most important thing because it might be different. John was a music but You know still. The tonal qualities have to match so we can blend to fit into whatever it is. We're doing and you still play correctly. Used to alive. I play. I play in the house plan. You know. yeah well over two. But i'm willing to all right. There's a shot. A danish pianist named old cock hanson. Ever worked with nice right. I don't know i'm over three then back. I had no comment author her old cock. That's a real dude. I was kidding. But that's a real dude spelled with a k. l. Just make it better okay at the end. Okay off long seriously to other. Thank you so much for coming on the show. I i had a ball into fun. Oh yeah thank you. Just one more thing. Mr tomatoes but juicy fruit was one of the first things i ever remember hearing like. There's about maybe ten songs. That are the first ones that i remember. He didn't get hit for it. No i didn't get here for it was neighbors record. She had it in always playing. She's one of those stuck in my head and like every time i hear juicy fruit it always feels like i'm having a very special experience so i just want to thank you for that. It's some us thank you. Thank you i appreciate. I've been juicy fruit for bath. Forty years yes. This is weird. I bought the psych weeks ago and it has ended up. I will tell you a really weird coincidence with this interview though like i had a flood storage unit about two years ago and a whole bunch records got damaged in about two weeks about a week before you sent me an email saying that. This interview was confirmed. I replaced my copy of toronto's debut album. Oh my really never got twenty five tenths cut so it was kind of weird as it. Just replace my copy of we gotta come in a show. Well mr wasi thank you so much and i appreciate All those weeks. I was sent to my own forty five hope. You enjoyed it on behalf of sugar. Stephen sadiya network hilarious should've himself. That's life only thing. I understood When you had another human talent human too. Joey won't be happy tikolo boss bills. Sugar steve. bill. It's li- ear and the the the amazing great mr watson. Thank you so much for coming on. This is another episode. Costlo supreme in mcken only pandora. We'll see you on the next. Go round see i love. Supreme is a production iheartradio. 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QLS Classic: Greg Phillinganes (Part 2)

Questlove Supreme

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QLS Classic: Greg Phillinganes (Part 2)

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, not that something a lot more subtle. WHO OPRAH? Oprah thing I was Gonna no, no, no, no, no, you never going to get. You're not. GonNa. Get I'm going to set it up for you because you never gonna get it. Is Good in it. Having Fun I still much. You want to do another one. So. Here's the thing the thing is this. So it's me. and. It's Neil Stupid House. and. Ohio. I WANNA say Paul Jackson's Union why I'm not sure, but I think so and I'm pretty sure it's J. on drums. We're the studio. And we're just finding you know. Right about here. WE'RE VIBE IT A nice little thing going on which is fine. Hey. You. Know I'm. VIBE ING. This is being recorded. Know Right about here. Okay, some time passes. And I don't mean hours I mean days I mean some time. And now. Quincy's working on to join. I think I figured it out. I believe so I believe we're way way. We've before y'all say anything. And says yeah, you know. We're doing this thing and I want to I want to recreate that groove. To recreate that. Thing that's right about this temporary here and so if you think you know what is his. Jams Oh down had the wrong one. WHAT IS OUT SECRET GARDEN? Bingo. Thank you? Okay and that's. Okay. Damn. Store for everything. Everything so it's like I love Quincy's dirty draws, but he never he would never. Admit that. Because you know what I asked about it. What are you talking about how? Long ago, ass him and he read up on me. Like what are you talking about? Okay I get. There! You've got a good heart so after that John is pretty stupid. I was just I mean it's the. Here's the thing is this I? I I was too busy being hurt. I was too busy. Being emotionally affected as opposed to saying Oh hell with this. I'm finding this, but really are you really prepared to fight Michael Jackson? Jackson for a piece of a song with with Michael and his his his team lawyers. You Are you really GonNa? Are you really think you're GonNa like succeed in that? And, if a frigging prayer, so, what am I going to do? You know and so. I had to suck it up. But. What I lost in Luke ten percent, please. I'd be living next to Quincy. With ten percent of that one that someone song. But you know what I lost in revenue. I'd like to think I gained in a relationship. Yeah, that's what I was thinking because. It went from and by the way. It ain't just that. What else you got! Oh, how about? The did the did the end of heartbreak hotel played self. Beautiful thank you which was marketed with strings. Because Michael said. When he some dramatic here at the end. So I came up with that. They they added an orchestra to that, too. Did you start after this? You start looking around when you're jammed. Making sure the button pushed. New Busy being inspired. Okay so Pinkas. It happened so quick for me. Literally when Michael we need some traumatic you at the end before you could finish the jeopardy theme song I go. Okay Open on there what else he got. So now it's the. Dangerous is a dangerous. Is Dangerous. I think it's the dangerous album. I think it's a dangerous out. Is it dangerous and we're working on this one song and Michael Says? It was owned by the way beautiful, and he says What I'm going to do here is I'm Gonna I'm GonNa Talk? kind of like a monologue thing and I just want something I want some music underneath clothes in the closet humour. And just need. SONESTA music as it's going to be dramatic and emily talk talk talk through this thing at the end of it. You know and so I just need some you. Gain no problem. Any takers. Rather. Is it what was the? He'll were, is it? They'll be there. What will you be there Bingo, yeah? At the end. That the. was, double with Orchestra and Choir thank you. That is about another. Three minutes if I'm not mistaken. Somewhere to three minutes free willy. Money So Classic Question So Can you explain to the listener who may not know that? Intricacies of of of what what your jobs were at these at these sessions. So can you just explain the difference when when arranging becomes writings? When Socio. Producing is composed Steve. I love to explain that. There's such a fine line. Slippery slope is kind of hard to define. That's basically this is the equivalent of beauty's. In the hope of the beholder raisings. It'd be in the eye of the WHO deems you a an arranger. As opposed to a songwriter as opposed to just an arranger as opposed to just a little keyboard player, we're going to give a check one time to send him on his way because I. Want all the credit right so ultimately those things come down to whether you are gonNA stand up for comes out to either whether you're going to stand up and fight. It is mutually agreed yeah. Agreed in writing. Have you ever seen? Someone's been like hey? By the way a meeting. Get A callback like. Have you ever seen someone? Get blackballed or not used again or A mess him. That guy he's. He's trouble, yeah! Oh! Nothing specific buggies. To be. Explained and blackballed from. Because you're in a sweet spot, yeah, keep getting work and you keep getting work and you keep your on. I mean between. Seven, nine, ninety seven. You're on. But I mean whenever I would try to raise. A little dust I got pushback. I mean there was the time when what was it Was Triumph. and and I was I was. I was. Classified as an associate producer, well, they way way these things things went on and on and on and on and on, and things were fine until one day. I show up to the studio. and Bill Bray standing outside the door. There's. No need to today bubble. Why I'm like? What are you talking about? I gotta go and just don't need you today bubble. They just decided that I was done. Because No No, no, no I did! Nothing is the day before I went into work, everything was fine. The next day I go and I'm barred. Yeah, sometimes people because they. Know. They just decided they could take over from there. And they did not need. Yeah. They didn't need my assistance anymore, so they just said okay. You're done by killing us all right, so my question about triumph. Engineering to have I do have a positive punchline sort to the end up to Windsor said. No you want to ask. Well, just the in the engineering of The tramp album. Sounds very flat to me. As opposed to how wide open! Destiny. And I. Don't know why I really need you to tell me you're really good. Engineering Story of of Bruce Within. What Bruce Medine brought to off the wall. It's like goodness it almost like three D. almost who did the same with? With the same. Do you remember who mixed? The trump I dont, but the same people were not involved and I I kind of understand what you're saying sonically, but I just can't. Tell you. Why not because I don't remember who is involved, so you were there for the overseeing of the mixing none of that stuff? Oh No! But Those sessions. Sounded really fun because they absolutely were. It's almost to the point where I could tell. Almost what order recorded because some of them songs, you did the majority of the count off. One, two three four, and then some of them songs. You guys sound like you on your fiftieth beer. I mean not. Sound like. So what were the just the? The sessions like of. I the best way I can describe is fun everybody. There was so much, and how do you? How do you learn the stuff like? How does it come from? Here's the cassette demo in data like d. get the cassette I. do you work out these full-fledged arrangements? And how well we would hear the demo in some form, and and then after I came up with the arrangement I would just we had charts. I have a chart I. It's actually my wife insisted that I frame. The charter blame it on the book, and so it's it's over the piano in the house, so we had charts and just the parts. But it was it was Hecker Fund. It was just so much fun fun. I remember and I think it was during the destiny album I remember being in the studio, part and We were you know there wasn't anything going on officially. Just kind of different things happening at the same time. Just stuff going on, but I remember. Hearing. Somebody playing drums and it was really funky cyclist. Thing and I'm remember hearing around, and it was Michael. He can play drums. He could play drums so Most people do not know this, but if you think about, it made perfect sense because like Sammy. Yeah. He could definitely play and he was fucking I only saw one time, but it was like. Wow, as a matter of fact, I mean there's a picture of an even younger Michael, playing Johnson and I had I. Do you have seen that? Yeah? But. I saw him for myself and it was like. Wow, I didn't I didn't see this coming. and we didn't even get to like thriller off the wall! Street Journal. Let me give you let me give you the positive punchline to all this negativity, because liars as as I was saying what I lost revenue gain a relationship to the point where You know there was this one fateful evening. Where we were all together. In this room backstage in this arena. and. We were all together. outside of Michael I went to his room separately, but I'm standing there with the brothers in a circle, and I remember saying to them. You know what? Never in my wildest dreams. Did I ever think. After. You know listening to your records junior high school and Watching your shows? I never ever imagined in my life that I'd be standing in a room with all you. As your music director getting ready to tell you have a great show. and. It was back stage at Madison Square Garden and we're about to do thirty. Shows. And to go from that. Point early in my life as a fan and having. JUST FANTASIES ABOUT Them and what it must be like to hang with them to to actually be. arm-in-arm with them in a huddle before we start the thirty, th anniversary show is not get to tell them have a great one I can't begin to tell you. What that's like. That's since a balance in your system is amazing. Because at the same time, it's like here. You are in that moment with these are still the same guys. Made did a couple of shady things to you? So you have to continue to be the bigger person and really just appreciate the moment and the bigger things that are yet to come. Well Thank you I can say that you know. The the thing that. that. One over everything else was. And we all realized that we really do love each other. We. Done the technical merit questions. Most. Well Mike Yeah. Let me ruin this for a second. So we're GONNA BE STARTING SOMETHING YEAH! Are you playing the bass the line. Yep, that did now was sequencing out then or did you have to do that? Seven minutes in a row. There was taping Anita sticking sequencing. Do. You're playing with Lindros. See telling me for seven minutes, but by paper. But said the man has in a row. Because I was young and crazy like that. how many? Do, you have to do now many. Dog No dude because I I graduated. Wonder you. well. Jimmy Jam when he says when he would play all this stuff from the twelve hundred. Yeah, right straight through, and they went to school the Prince Oh yeah. Okay, makes sense now just just. I'm just thinking of all like even you didn't veer off into one. ad-lib on ticking down to the ground to like the last minute. No that's not true. That's not true. I am. But I pasted to that to your point. Yes, I, definitely paste it. Okay, you're right. You know and another thing is another example of that is Stop! I pay those leaks to I. Mean I I kept basically an even better example thriller. That's who I WANNA. Get to yeah, you already answered. You're not sequencing, so you playing stuff? Oh, absolutely! How're you finding these pats, because now that okay, now that the remix are coming out, yeah. Thrill his almost borderline, a pre pre precursor the. At least with the patches that you're using. How long do you? That's what I'm saying like. We had lots of help as far as program. We had guys like that. Were we had Michael Baader? He was like. That was that was our our our go to guy, and there were others, but he wasn't guy or. An actual player a player because he was playing on the tour, he played, but he program better, but he. Yeah the. The strength that would say was the program. So was it a time as money atmosphere so okay, so we're in the studio right now. It was whatever it takes to get the rights out. Okay, but what's the patients factor? 'cause it's like. Even okay so even the little. Like right before Vincent Price's rap thing. How long do you have to like? Let me. Try this. Let me try this even with keyboards the day like it takes me. Twenty minutes to decide missed A. Preset. What's the? What's the time like? What time do you have to think of something cool? Mere minutes. No, there was no time. There was no. Whatever's right then. Yeah, there was no consideration at time. It's just like Lily I. Need this patch go. I need the sound rather go, and then however long it took was avalon. Are you planning on, beat it. Yeah? What does that ensure gone? What is that noise what I could not tell you? How many point? I A God. It's I saw youtube video to old obviously synthesizer and they were going through the presets on, and that was one of them. Not Sin Crabby. I can't remember I can't remember. It's been a while since I saw that video. Okay now. I have no idea. What was that human nature? Is that the patient all those cats? Yeah, that's steep. Caro okay. I need me for that. Story about that's Song Right. Quincy. The thing to 'cause. That's Ad Nauseam, and then they're like fall asleep and stuff and it's it's the auto. Auto? Reverse and then you know, and they're like a semi sleep. Rest is history. Clear by the way, okay. that they I kind of remember that. Clavier to. One hundred ways is one of our. Favorite zillow's. Guys you're not going to understand. Well, but in hip hop terms really. That's all I can say. Yes, it's. Shopped lovely to the point. Where like almost every line of that thing is the Solo? Musical world to us. It was done in Ironic, I think it was done in a very ironic way, but but it just you play I. Mean You know? Yeah I mean it sounds for forever, yeah? What what's the title of it? Here this is Jesus Christ's. Yuckiness stand right here in. Japan's worst nightmare of the. It's strange. To resume. So Rob's like Tom. mcan! ZAPS IT rapidly chapstick. Talent so sort of Assab, so remember Alabama Tallyho joke lex pays. In what do you say? Is. One years old, but what? Thing. One hundred ways means something totally different to us. Initially, it was like that's mom and dad song or like. You. Know what? That! Dates. And even when I heard it, I was like Yo. Never ever thought. Shopped. Crazy person who did best. A lot of time on. VK! Who Actually Produce Meth Dum? Dum. You're crazy guy. is so they quincy Terry the story that Solo. Tell you. Your sleep. Yeah, yeah, there was during the time of of. Assembly line. Sessions and you when you went to work for Quincy you new two things. No, you knew you knew three things a was going to be fun. Be You'RE GONNA. Eat well. Never knew how long you? So, it's no o'clock in the morning man and and I had done some other stuff, and at at this point I'm asleep under a piano. Somebody came in and woke to all right. You're up again. Okay I in my. Stupor. You know I stumble up to the thing, and it's anymore, and they got and right so this is one hundred ways and we need a solo. Does he? Plays the full song at least before. They played the song and I'm like okay. So what you hear in that Solo. Like ninety percent of it was the first take. and. I only did. so. Debe de data. About an up and then I only did like a couple of takes to finish it, but up until that point, that's the first take. And and Quincy to this day says it's his favorite solo mind because it was done in the what he calls the Alpha State. Or, what's known as the State? 'cause you know only he can like be scientific with it. I was asleep, but you know he's on its APPs state after state 'cause you weren't thinking. Dude. I. The auto about this there's there's a sign that there's a scientists that that research owner, students or students in which she would do. Pop quizzes on her seven am class. Versus prepared test advance notice to her smarter class and twelve in the afternoon and the. Class A win better because it's almost like we over think, there's there's a middle ground of not preparing and over preparing overthinking out. And the genius zone is always in the middle where it's just like. No I. Lives per bad. Love Supreme. 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You can trust me sugar. Steve, I'm an engineer, not just saying this because they sent me a repair I'm saying this because these are great ear buds. Everyone needs a great pair wireless Cuba's. Don't dropping hundreds of dollars. You can get exactly what you need from rake. I have a question about the bad album. Yeah! And I. Guess I shared this theory in documentary. It's. What I call the brace yourself moment which you're a big part of like all the songs. Have to start. With? This stab from Hell dischord on. Not even bad. I mean that's why we easy, but like you know dirty Diana's. Like by this point. Are they telling you? Every song this album we need. For. Well. No, because that really wasn't me, That wasn't no. Those examples you satellite with. First of all. I'm not on dirty Diana. I'm not on that at all. ME AND I. Actually I met on that either. Speed Demon waiting feel. I'm on the way. Maybe not speed demon. Unfortunately, that's Jerry. Hey, that's crazy, Jerry. Hey, with those horns. Those horn. In you and that's what made the song? Yes. That's that's. Very Very. Tight enough for that because you know, Michael was a little Slow on that and it's like could is under. No, no, no, no. There would be no speed demon with that the horn. Horn. Arrangement, so you're going to tighten up, Cherry. But. I am on the way me feel an my favorite memory of that is. Because I played the string parts. ended. So what I remember is doing that and having Michael Standing next to me going. Because I'm Mike. Neck Movement to. Big Is this napster dude. He had these big ASS hands and his snap sound like club as they, don't they? 'cause you think cloudy is on the bridges of. A rapport. But it's not know and when. You. That was cloudy. Don't is his fingers. We can ask. For. ROCK WITH YOU YEAH I guess I should ask Quincy instead. That Horn intro! Removed Party take that away. It doesn't make sense to me what is? Warren Intro to rock with you got so here's the thing that I love about off the wall I. Certainly don't remember that. I'll play it for you off the record, yes. the thing that I discovered about with with thrown off. The Wall is that. A lot of this stuff is I can tell that at least what I assume. The relationship between Michael and Quincy is. Let's try every idea out, and then you're gonNA. Trust me to pull this away. Miss Away in oedipus and edit bet so there are a lot of elements on those albums that. Had they been. There Oh God. It would have been like the worst dated disco album of all time or you know. Isn't that crazy? One slight MISSTEP SO I? Applaud Quincy for knowing what the pull away. there. There's moments of so I'm thinking that you were there on the ground floor of. The Horn intro instead of just the naked. No because what I remember about that was quincy saying to Jr I WANNA have a drum like that's gonNa live in infamy. Shy want to have a German like that that that kids are GonNa. Remember you know. A Hundred Years now. And, so he came over the. Bad Question. Please tell me about this time you went on the tour and you ricky were back together. Oh Yeah. Oh absolutely yeah, drinking, get that GIG and non Jonathan Moffet because you were the MD.. Because I thought Jonathan would have been but thanks. For Life Yeah. You'd think that so, Ricky, get it. Ricky also had the victory tour right now. No. That was on victory okay. Ricky did bad and dangerous. But. You did with Sheryl, crow all my whoa. And three. Judges made this woman's life. You could have been more than five. Tail okay so still. You. And so I. Don't remember to be honest because even though. He made me the M. The whole process was. So Weird. I he he, there were other people hiring people so I didn't really hire everybody. So I. I didn't hire. The whole band I mean there's certain people that were chosen before I was even asked. How did you present that show without the it out of the age of pro tools? You know because. The bad who oh? Oh, well as easy we just had. We just had like a to at least two full blown sink levies. Damn and back then that y'all. He's like whatever means necessary. I mean. The money was no object, so we had to full blown. I mean that that was handlers. And the the you know, the the extra tracks, oh. Yeah, absolutely damn. What was it like? When Sheryl Crow came into the picture for that to like what was. What does she bring to the table? Whiteness. Because, she wasn't a one with the light center here. No, no, that was Jennifer Adams to. Terrorist. You know. You. Ask a very. Loaded, question. Okay. GIG for Noah she was after. That was cited the dangerous. Shirl did bad. I would say that the thing that. Cheryl brought the most was. Woods. This is a hot topic that we. Steve. White birth about against a know what she brought was. Sipping love affair. Oh. We're. WHO Well between two people and. I was there. All. Could Sniff. That was fun taste question. Would you say perfect question? Listened. Talking I guess. Coming. Well. Yeah Wow, probably in the control right? Yeah, that's what happen. No I wasn't doing because I was married. Says! Okay. Okay. Explain not just the tour. Explain that. It wasn't just the name of a tour. How can how can one? Can one be a working musician. And have domestic normalcy. I mean if you're doing the Michael Jackson bad tour. Are, you know what about the kids at home for not just you just like the Bass player or the lighting coordinator like you guys were born from from. St Eighty, seven to the top January eighty nine now understand we ruled the world. Understand that yes, but. We're we're girls flinging themselves over all of us not over all of us and I was in that group I wasn't getting girls flung at me. You know because a lot of people just assume. Oh my God. You must have had it. Out of your ears. I know no did not happen to me. I didn't know from that perspective. Light. Can you relationship at home if your your college professor wife? Is Very very difficult at you better. Bring him out at some point Michael What he charter jet for families to come visit. No, no, he didn't do that, but. He did welcome families he he was into that and you know. Several of US including me brought our families out at different points I. Mean and you know Michael you know. One of the singers, door and holly. Brought his little Nana, and she spent a lot of time on the road with us, and you know Ricky brought his kids. And his wife I brought mine out it was great in that way now we will. Not, in my case Yeah, no I mean. I remember. When we when we We were in Tokyo and He. He reigns for us all go to Disneyland. Job. We shut down the baby, and it was us and you haven't lived until you've been to Disneyland with the head Mickey. A. Matter, of fact I used to call him Mickey and he would ask her to that, too, but I know he. It was great, and so yes, he loved You know the families Hanging and all that but To answer the question, yeah, you needed to have. You couldn't sustain a tour like that and never see your spouse your family. At any point you had to have him join you. With face time and all that stuff, but. It was like. Novel is like going like it's a rat. You did yeah, you're going like you're doing. You're in the military. You're gone I would've been Valerie saying. We did not even ask about behind the mask. Behind the mass guests so I I was working on. MY SECOND SOLO ALBUM! Working on. Yeah, while we were also doing Oh my God. Wait a ruler. We're just all over the place. Remind me to remind you. Did right by you. Can't slow down. Never Mind No, no, well, he he di did. Basically, yeah, he did well. He did better to me than Michael there. That's for sure, right. or Did you do all night long and. No No. Let me give you level headed. No, no, he actually did all night long by himself, but I did. level flying love, find a way and love will conquer all. I thank you very much crazy video. And I and I did get. Screen. Credit and checks for that. Aren't gonNA. Feel. Oh. Oh crap I can't remember her name I. See your face and I can't remember her name shoot. Look at always thought that was his take on the Algorithm Song like that was level Congo. Interesting. No, it! That's what it says. Well I. That will. Say What I? Well actually because I wasn't I wasn't thinking of that, okay, that wasn't mild so. That's interesting, because I wasn't thinking that at all, okay. Mars. Margaret King Marva thank you yes, for instance Marva king well well all later. Yeah, yeah, because I keep getting hurt Marva Hicks confused okay. She. Right was no, that was. Yeah, a lot of marvel's. You're more join US chief. Bear it was you missed it. It was a good news wasn't bad. So. yeah so So Lionel did do. Right right to her by me, okay for. HIS FIRST SOLO ALBUM RIGHT? Yeah, and that was where I I saw your name. When four yeah, that's crazy and then left during the report. and. The first one, the first line of Richie Y- are you on that. West Intro to you are. We have some. What this? First of all I'm not on that, but what? WAS I. Don't come back. But you sound like that aside. Movie was like. GEICO has. SNL? Cool. That was. Not. Okay thank you. That was Mister Finley. Wrote that with Sergio? John McLean Yes oh, oh! Wow. Own McCallum. There's some more maclean credits that. I've seen and I didn't think that was him. He was a land I. Blow We. You. I got a story about me and John Hit me. Well? John who I love dearly. Let me just start out pressing. Say Right now I do love him. Do I really do? He's the Kinda guy that you'll never get to love. 'cause. He just doesn't allow it. but I love him, and we spent a Lotta time together In seventy. Nine and the early eighties we spent a lot of time together, and I had this dream. We had this dream of forming a band that would that would be called PM. And Yeah and never happened. He's Detroit No. Here, but we, we hooked up somehow and and He was the first guy. That sounded like prints before Prince. That's how he played guitar. That John Maclean. Yep Man Yup that John mcguigan. If you do, you will win the price. We got him for this is. We can't find him and you know what sorry to say, but you probably won't. Really Yeah, he's that mysterious. You can Google anybody on the planet. I can't even if he walked right now with no never seen can't google. Stoney Jackson A. Picture of but know. Is it brothers? Yoga! By Now but don't. You can't find him. Wow Damn, so Medina is his way into the industry as an executive. The same way that Benny Medina was. Born. He's Benny Lord. Ottawa. Yeah Yeah. But no actually. Actually. Act Terrible. Actually I was so little. It but anyway. We need a theme for Great. or maybe I'll just come up with my own. Do a couple of spots, but anyway. Only. Don't don't write a check cash getting give. Birth. You might be surprised. Anyway so. Co had a group called PM. No, we had. We had the idea of of. A group that never came to fruition. What projects? Would okay. But. You know we did work together what? A TV series. The name of the producer escapes me right now, but. The show was called the righteous apples oh. My God They did a cover of. Let it. Go by Length learn your. It was a pages joint original Richard. Page enjoy, and then they did a cover of it the righteous apples. It was like they were like a high school. Yes, was this was? From Nova. Trying, to think of the name of the Creator, and the the writer and I can't for the life of me right now. Black Guy were he wore. Channel Assis. Thing and we wrote and produced songs for that show like Roller Elo. Yeah. As a matter of fact, I'm looking at IMDB Patriot and we'll continue. That's more. Is there another song called feels like the first time. Doesn't list just as one. K. But yeah. But. Yeah, we. We did that and that was the craziest season, isn't it? Yeah all. Free to that just show me. Yes, he was. John doesn't look like stoning and Thomas. Wow. Isn't that crazy? Ernest one? Calms bodyguard. That's hysterically broke my heart man. I. Through top, thank you. Win On the do Martin. Yeah, thank you. Wow, yes, that was my introduction a topper. There was the first thing that you scored or like for television. I think the only thing. Okay so mike. Lee, Anderson was sorry, really he was on an episode. Yeah, he was A. Member of just as a member of the band. I wouldn't I guess. You can call it a drama store S. Henderson what year eighty and eighty one on the show was on. Cocaine. Should down tour. You, believe. down. Heard of Michael Henderson's Rant, drunken rant and Japan, no. My God. Best thing like. I'm not breaking it down for nobody I'm not backing it up. Bobby. took. A while! They tried to. Like he's drunk and he's plan in front of feels like he's. For Audience Fourteen and you could hear people like us. He's responding to. Leave. Oh, that's okay. That's all right. Never? Look Eighty. Eighty four. Eighty four I. Think Norman Connors is German, but he takes its seven-minute buildup to sing going places. When he wrote. A. Fish. Like I did I was like damn like he gets into the full. You realize is going place. His son is lives in Philly and keeps taking it off. Because I can't. I can't find. I've got it. Ain't going nowhere. Have you ever seen version where they made a video to stone's throw stones throw? A animated. Best thing when. Date me, motherfucker yours right motherfucking. Next. This sounds better than Ray. Charles's. It sounds better than Oh buddy rich's. It sounds better than the. Past really pass those. Person People out, but this is just like you. Say. Which one is the ray whereas? -rupt. Scuffle between him and and the German had the time I was. Not Bernard but although I was fat had. You found. It was the player, but but. It was a scuffle between him, and the German and the drummer walked off, and that's all I know. No, it's all right. It went. Okay there's he's doing busted. And busted. Okay, and then someone gets on. The stage is I would doll you don't and raises. Bless your heart your heart. Dirty doll. It's a woman. She didn't know a guy. Basically like Ray must've did something wrong to a woman either slept with his wife you saw. Doll. Bless your. To someone, please get this gentleman. And then they take them off and then you hear walking like. A, List. been happened. But, yes. Up there but Michael Hansen. Shit Off. Listen A. What. You have a billion of these. What three songs? Did you say no to that. You could have been on. Like. Did you only stay in the winter circle? Michael Lionel threes. The only example I have of that. Is a song that I was originally asked to Over deb on piano. and. I was very. Full of myself on and I. I went to decision, but I mean I was fooling myself musically, and I thought like whatever I play would be great and it wasn't because they just wanted something. They just wanted the changes in the in the rhythm. That, that it that it was in and I was I, was overplaying I overplayed and our. My I overplayed my way out of the. Session I regret that because I really love. This song is one of my favorites from George Benson internal. Wanted you to play the piano. But I was playing point. that. I was just. And I wouldn't. Ask you to just play simple. I guess they just said well. It's not okay. Thanks, and then next thing I know. Somebody else was on it. But yeah, but I remember being asked to play on it, but I just I didn't I didn't play right. You know and I could have. And I, even at that point I was definitely more trained, because of all the other years of of doing sessions, and I should have known better. I overplayed. Formally trained how to play me. We didn't talk. Were you formerly like you know how to read or? I know I started playing by your at A. My mom says. Legend has to. I started playing around, too, but then I started taking lessons at around six, and so I did have formal training or come in my I had three teachers, and the third one was the most influential and the most effective, and he was the pianist with the Detroit Symphony Orchestra and his name was Michel Cotler and he was a bad ass. He didn't take any mess. And and and you know I needed discipline. Because I was running over my last teacher because I thought I was hot. It's not new everything and he left his his house crime anytime. Because he just he was this Russian. Polish and he was. Not Very strict and took no mess. You know but it's the discipline I need it. That's A. Look at their produce that. Quintanilla, who? He actually I think he might have been one of the producers I. Think I'm not sure, but but it wasn't quincy though right? No okay, okay, okay, okay. What would it be played on that? We might not know like. Jay Great. Thank you those agree. Wow. Yeah! What have I played on? This, question for you because you know everything. I mean like. Did you suffer? You know you on. The heat is on by GLYN FRY or I can't tell you why. Wish I. Wish I really be playing on yes. No I can't even think of anything. A flurry. Or is disguise lying to me right now. I did a floater. Lying did I didn't? They gave credit appealing Oh okay. late a minute one. Oh, I'm so glad this came to me. Is GonNA kill me! I gotta go back to triumph. Explain you said to me once, and I didn't know okay so. Help me out here, guys, Dila, light works. Ramos Ramos. Okay. On your ways on trump. I was GONNA. Ask about the experts. He said. was that the exact what's going on? Like the I don't know about that, but I know that the instrument used was Match on. yeah, but the same one. Did you tell me that that was the same exact one that mom used on? What? I don't think so. I couldn't possibly know that okay. No, but I know it was told me okay. Someone like a randy some. Or Berry headed a specially made or. Do you know the story of Motown that Raymond Scott have built. Had Convinced Berry Gordy to purchase two of his. His version of Tahoe. And this and he ordered two of them, and then I think mid second one. The discontinued the production. He was like no never mind what was this. Seventy, sixty nine seven hundred seventy because I'm wondering if these instruments that you're talking about if they. Were used in. These Incredible. Ways for songs like. Reflections 'CAUSE I. Defy anybody. Tell me what the hell is in the opening. Food whatever it is, and so, and then they then they use something else later on what? These random places in the song which is brilliant, but have no idea what it is here. It is okay so nine hundred sixty nine. Berry Gordy tipped off about a map. Musical scientists engage a mysterious works. Wow, visited Scott at his long island lab to witness the electronic. That's what he called an electronic. Wow, yeah, and all the. Possibilities in Gorazde hired Scott and seventy one to serve as director of MOTOWN's electronic music and research department. Wow Oh position Scott held until nineteen, seventy seven really. Know motown recordings using Scott's electric inventions have been publicly identified. Santa's that, but yeah, he originally someone says. That, he ridgely started working on the electricity him out of Barry's house. they set up a room over the garages and he worked there putting stuff together, so barry get involved and see the progress and at one point worked out of the studio the unit never got finalized, and ray had a real problem. Letting go it was always being developed. And that was very. You know what? What do you think you'd probably sounded like crap? As a waste of seven. Dollars you probably just wasn't good. do you have a? We are the world question Steve. Yeah I mean. I didn't even put together my head that that that was you on that just an. Is Your name on the cover that forty five like. No not the cat and the artists, but I did play piano on it. One of the artists then. What happened there? No, I wasn't no. It's not on the cover. No, no, no, no, no! Everybody walked out. Here's something. Good is a new show from the Seneca Women podcast network and iheartradio. It's a great way to start your day on the positive side of life. We were introduced to lift fund by our Partner Bank of America was working closely with them to make sure that lift fund continues to help businesses access capital during this critical time. 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Of course, Stevie Jackson's Lionel that you ran to the studio to work because you were so excited and who was the artist to ran on tour to be with nobody so excited his anyway. Well as far as touring, there was a time when I toured with the beetle. Which one? NOPE Angola. This other guy that I was touring with I was in his band and We already had a set thing going and then that artists managed to convince. George! To tour with us and he, he said you can use my band and so it was the Eric Clapton. George Harrison tour of Japan. And you haven't lived until you've toured with the beetle. Jesus suck. And we go to. Here's a crazy thing. We go to Tokyo. And of course, George was absolutely lovely. Beautiful human being. We go to Tokyo. And we're all. We're all terribly excited. We and we were in the. Hotel has called capital Tokyo hotel. We're enjoyed his room. TV's on. and. They're playing footage. Of. I mean they're. They're announcing obviously the Georgia in town, but they're playing footage of when the Beatles pulled up to the exact same hotel. We're staying in so now. I'm in a room in a suite with a beato watching footage of when his band pulled up to the same hotel. We're in Mike. Okay just kind of take this in. And, so we toured around, it was great and then And then another. George story which I always like to tell It was the second time I went to visit him. At his home and he opens the door and he's. He's in corn rows. George Jorissen. Including the, open the door and I go well. I didn't see this coming to. Think. First of all. How did you get your hair and corn rose? Hiding okay WH-. How did that work? But he was in coroner who I wish I took a picture of them, but. So we're hanging out, and then he goes right. Do WanNa hit the new song then. I go. Okay. We go to the bedroom. Plays a thing and I got my private world premiere of free. Wow. And I'm sitting there and I'm absolutely. And mesmerized, believe that I'm first of all sitting in the bedroom of a beetle. Listening to the last song, all the Beatles did them and I'm sitting there and chills are running up and down my spine first of all I'm getting chills even talking about this right now, but I'm sitting there and I'm just trying to take all this and going. George Arizona's last Beatles. I can't believe this right now. But Champ. Okay on the heels of that question, do you also you also md? Allow specials and award shows what was your? What was one of your favorite experience with that I really enjoy watching you because you always ending, thank you well. Where's your first one that you did? Like your first awards that you. Oh my goodness I. Don't know The first awards show that I am deed. Wow I. I don't know I'd have to research said is. Awesome life down so ricky manner. WAS THAT BATON? He just here you go. quavered yellow. Thank you, but no. No I, don't remember, but I tell you what? The. Pretty much the best one was. It was based off of how I got started. Jackson. No you just how you got started says started so. I was thinking of the Detroit symphony thing. Stevie. In Kenya Love Life. It was a grammy tribute. I am dated anyone A. Yeah, so that's why that's the best one. So you're, g an egg. So the second best one is probably the Jackson's thirtieth anniversary. The garden because I mean this is the Jackson story that occurs in the garden it's. Like! Question Yeah since. That night was so vivid that day afterwards so memorable. How? This was based off because we did two shows. I know I'M GONNA. Ask You about the second show, okay? How did you get out of New York City right? Well, it wasn't by. first of all nothing was happening today at the day of or the day after. You might want to tell everybody what that day was. It was September eleventh two thousand one. And that was after the second show, which was September tenth and the first show which was the. Eighth because it was a break in between, I, think because of the circus but the first show was September eighth. The second show was September tenth and I remember. After that show just You know having more of a private celebration dinner with a buddy of mine at the time and had like you know kind of. Celebratory dinner and everything was great then. my wife at the time. The next morning. You know we we. We slept in late. because we had such a great night, so we slept in late and I had this. Plan I I had two plans that I wanted to do want to go to Central Park and take my wife on a canoe ride. and I also wanted to go to my favorite place, my favorite restaurant for lunch. restaurant called La Bill Bouquet. And so. I called the restaurant after I woke up. Because I wanted to make reservations I call what's going on? I said I'd like to. You know come to the to the spot today. And the person said today's ninety today. said. Why says it's not a good day as people are? Crying. It's terrible. It's not a good day. I go! What are you talking about? The person. What have you seen the news? Early go no! Said, you might want to turn the TV on right now. That's how we find out. And then? After the initial shock. which took a long time to get over it and we started smelling like smoke. And by the way I was staying hotel I was staying at the plaza. Anthony Way Way Uptown Shraga. You could smell the smoke there. The producer of the show David guest was very good to me, though because he led me stay at the plaza until the end of the week or until I get away out, you know and so, what happened was we kept trying by flights, and it was very very very difficult. Freda Payne I remember was one of the lucky ones she got on a plane. came to find out came to find out later on that Michael That car ride with Elizabeth. Went and that was. That was real. He did that, but I didn't know. The Cross country today. With Eliza. Taylor and what's his name Marlon Brando? Yano Yeah. I didn't know that at the time and I didn't know how the rest of the brothers made out I didn't know how anybody else got out but me and my wife at the time. We couldn't get up playing out, so we just decided at the end of that week. that Saturday that we'd rent a car, so we drove over to we got we went to Jersey and got a hertz rent a car, and we drove cross country, and it was part of like a mini mini cavalcade, because Cheryl Lynn was with us. Oh! Yeah and strange bedfellows yeah, she and her cousin. Or her manager actually We we enjoy. We didn't drive on the, but we drove. In in separate cars, and we drove cross country all the way back, and we stopped in. St Louis, where Her managers. MOM lived And was the Saint Louis. I'm pretty sure what Saint Louis. We stopped there and we made a couple of other types job all the way, and that was the first and only time I ever drove cross country. And never imagined it would be for that reason. NO TRAFFIC! I it was it was eerily calm and still there's no traffic. And? I remember hearing. Them play this particular song a lot across country, right? It was a song by Kanye. Sell Away No. Do. Nine the right, no! Rain. For three weeks, oh. Badgen, there was a whole, no, no songs or the no playlist. Which is why I did on the blueprint? Yeah. Yeah Yeah this Gu Matt. Can You Do you remember g remember? Can you take us through where you were when you got the news about Mike? Yes. I was in Beverly Hills. And I was. I just dropped off a watch to get repaired. And My wife at that time called me and said. Did. You hear about Michael. Go Way you talking about. I heard the news and I. Knew. I wasn't shocking I. I was just you know. And yet. I wasn't. You know. And What I really remember. After, that is is going through the preparations with Randy. Because Randy by man and he wanted me to help out With the With the memorial, and then we, we had a meeting at Kenner Lakes House. Randy, candidate and we started talking things you talking things through and You know it's artists, and so forth and. I remember thinking it would be really nice if Steve. Saying I never dreamed leaving summer. Channel which was deeply because he did leave us in summer. and I remember. going. To, I remember having meetings with Randy and I remember going down to La live, and it was the only time that I was in the. L. Alive executive building offices were and I remember having. We had this meeting with ran in and can and Side cyber first name. No as Simon he's. He's he's the. He's the He basically runs Ebay runs la live staple center and Microsoft's. Li Island. and I wasn't there at that time I. Don't think but there were other executives and we we. You know they were. We were discussing everything like you know. How many. Tickets for family. How many tickets for VIP's all this kind of stuff you know and then I remember meeting at staples with the brothers. In A backstage room and it was me and the brothers Kenner like Valdez flag, legendary stage manager, and maybe one other person they. We were all sitting there and at different points you know one of the brothers would cry. It was really really heavy and and I remember also. Taking the walk. Through the underground tunnel. From staples to what is now Microsoft Center 'cause. There's this underground tunnel connects to to because it was built that way for you know just as a cool thing for any artist a Monday do double duty or whatever? Easy access you know, and so we walked this underground tunnel from staples to. It was a different name than but whatever, but so we go there and. That was. designed for the family. To leave staples to go to. Microsoft Center. For the overflow of people who couldn't get into staples and it was his I, so the family was going to go There is no idea was that the family was going to go and thank them. But they didn't do it. They didn't do it. We a practice walk, but after it actually happened, they do it. They didn't do it because it was. It was like enough. Already you know is like A. Everything went on and And It was very heavy and I remember I remember. Having a very very private moment with Marlin. At hayvenhurst and. Him. We talked and and. You know he cried on my shoulder. Very very difficult, but you know but I also remember you know at staples. who were they're going through things? Berry came over and we. We took pictures together. Burying brothers and me, and just all kinds of memories you know. How can one? Be Creative in a time like that 'cause. You know you have to go over. and. Okay my with key. You WanNa. Sing in and. And you don't call it. Musicians and background sound. Check now what you just do. You just do man I mean I. One thing. Erlich is really good at is just forging through. No matter what because he's had to in all kinds of a he's been hit with all kinds of last minute things like you know. They were rehearsing the greatest day of the grammys grammy thing. Thank you your. I. I. I think. was I I. Know I was they're doing is they're because? You talk about having to change on the fly. And what? What was it what the backstory was the Chris Brown Rihanna thing just happened. That was the year they decided to artists double up on things, so timberlake had like two or three songs, and Chris Brown had two or three songs on ahead two or three songs, and it was going to be like the first matchup thing of duets, multiple songs, but without Chris Brown Miana there. There's like space for five and I. Never Two things happened that day. Which is the? Ever seen in my life one early. Get his whole crew. Literally now it's about. Let's say an hour fifteen minutes until they realized that Brown Ron are no self of just scouring up the. Let's say to. How Green can you? Just grabbing people in artists like this. We need a song that so that whole thing of like boys to men singing. Let's stay together and. Shit was playing. The average. stevie wonder with the Jonas brothers Johnny. No ship was said but wait. Here's the other funny thing. So. the the coal play controversy with Joe Satriano own where they jack the right people Evita's on, so they have been running away from getting their summons from Satriano. People for like two months. So he had A. He had a plan. He's like Yo. I'm get them up at the grammys. When I tell you, you remember them all. Keystone caper things would like you watch comedy. That's right. That's exactly what happened. That's funny, so you had. The people running this way the people in in coal playground in this way they didn't. Fly The bumblebee. saw. Really. Just just end the top. It all got on of I should. Know just. knocked. The end into the night Artists are like very. Like a cat like who ACIS. Those guys I don't care about the like. That's the thing, but. Tom Yorke took losing Dako- play very very hard. and. A very emotional way so just to that was the most surreal. But the yeah, literally between Erlich descrambler. Shit and coldplay and. I had no that. It was funny his day of my life. Yeah, it was funny. Glad somebody who had something to laugh about that day. I know you didn't know what was happening. Right sort of like being in the New York during the blackout right lake in Detroit I saw neo when the black album don't think y'all I really knew because there was no TV to turn on the bright kid. Right. You can be told you're in a blackout. Was this like Oh, we heard like not coming like we didn't do. I got home than we saw. Oh, Shit that happened. Yeah Yeah Yeah. That was the sort of thing. Well. Do we cover everything in your life. No. Not even close. Like. Yeah with! Already. Thousand Nine. Sport, where science I didn't score it. I did actually I just one thing. or Four of female artists who the girl who did private joy. Shane Shine Yeah Yeah. I. reprints yeah, and I the demo. AAs right. Asked me to do somebody asked me to do that. you know, produce that thing for that girl, so I did a private joy in the. Streets if I, were you in the band? No. I was another movie dying. We're moving. The only my only. This is my only movie day, but. I didn't do this. Is it because Michael? You're right. You're right. Sorry, okay. I was young. Say, but you haven't lived until you've been directed by Steven Spielberg. Thank you what movie. Chang. We got to. Cover. An. Extra into culliver world. I was six. I was wanted to give the scene where the scene where she's hanging up clothes. Yes, saying no, you gotTA fight. You gotTa vote ceiling talking. Yeah, so then like a kid comes and runs through the sheet and shit like Y'all get away from here I was. Out. You're not gonNA believe this, but also. I can't. Back. The. Kid. Kids the honor the general. Awesome. Girl. Great, but guess what guess what? That's not even my voice. I could, but I I did say it. I did say it but I. I guess it wasn't loud enough. They had somebody. Go. But I did complain. That is Derek Bluffing so? If you WANNA, really good laugh. Whip that one night. You'll crack up your yeah. You'll laugh. Yourself silly grew. But that's how I met over. What and that's how I met. Danny Danny Glover again right, and that's how I met the cast of wacky characters and Yeah. We at all. There's another thing that I did that. I'm very proud of way. That you probably didn't know did. Thanks to Kenner like. Oprah's final two shows. Thank you. man okay. What we're finally shows. An extravaganza with every star. You've ever heard of in your entire life and entire galaxy. The did you ever interviewed? They came out to say goodbye. Yeah, but stuff. So what musical? Who who was the last? U Md. whatever the musical moment was I did the whole thing. So it was the last thing. I don't know the last person was but but. Probably my favorite. Segment was when when we surprised with Steve. Okay because what happened was the set up was. Jamie. You know went to her and started talking about his smack and everything, and he's he he would. He started, isn't she? Lovely right, so he started it, so we did a slow version, and that's me playing with him and everything and then we. We I do some So changes you know some difficulties to set up into the original key of agency lovely for Steve to rise out on the floor on a panel. And, she turns around and goes. We I gotta ask, do you have you ever had? As an MD.. Murphy's law moment? Where you everything around I like has a sequencer ever worked on? You know when jam is on at the INTRO I. Did you if you can't feed your baby Q. on that a to be starting something. We probably did we probably had some? Bad Tour Yeah, just in general general. Not. Yeah probably not not anything that just stands out to. You won't believe this, so I'm sure they happen, but they were mercifully far and few between okay. Well. I'm sorry I really do. WanNa know what you played on the world. Like what instruments that you that you always piano? You play piano and. Two right, yeah, but and to your point, yes, and he co wrote the song, but no, he He doesn't need to play one of the featured artists, so he doesn't so they had they. Quincy had a few of us. It was me David Page and I think, and there was one other I can't remember who they're gonNa kill me now, but. But I play piano page play. You know electric. Piano, or other instruments, and there was a third keyboardist as well so much of. No well. Just other since not strings, but yeah so. I'm pretty sure three keyboard players I did the piano. Thank. You thank you. Brother, Greg I mea you and you gave us this. Dog You brought it. He brought the stories about the dramas missing. Take someone as Nerdy as knowledgeable as you are, and you're fine team. Let me just say right now. Really wonderful steam. Don't. Think. I get it and I have to pay right now, but I must say. 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A Bowl of Soul A Mixed Stew of Soul Music Broadcast - 04-22-2021- Celebrating April is Jazz Music Appreciation Month

A Bowl of Soul A Mixed Stew of Soul Music

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A Bowl of Soul A Mixed Stew of Soul Music Broadcast - 04-22-2021- Celebrating April is Jazz Music Appreciation Month

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Be sure to add our podcast in the how did you hear about padro section of the application you reach the right place. A destination called soul. It's the biro annex. You-know-what stacks. it's a bowl of soul. A mixed to of so music and abolish soul is celebrating. April is jazz appreciation. Month right here on a bowl of so. This is jonathan winstead. And you're listening to a bowl of soul a mixed. Ooh of soho music. He Whole i john own Took uh-huh Right here on a bowl of soul. Celebrate miles davis with his first great quintet. That consisted of john coltrane on tenor saxophone. Miles davis trumpet. He also play piano or sids ahead on this album alto saxophone. Julian cannonball adderley red garland on piano. Paul chambers double bass and philly. Joe jones on drums and this was from nineteen fifty eight. This is considered martin jazz at this moment. And let me tell you. This is a classic. This album is classic because it has blues material which also incorporates bebop and post bob okay and definitely it also introduce modal jazz as defined in miles davis music. That would come later on. We celebrate right here on a bowl of soul. Miles davis and we're celebrating. April is jazz appreciation month. And as you know. Chaz is an american music art form and i want to incorporate jazz on a bowl of soul because a lot of your arm be music was developed and played by some of your best jazz musicians and just to give you an example motown most of the motown backbone the funk brothers who gave you the funk bone on a lot of motown records these cats were jazz musicians coming up next the great mr john coltrane talking about giant steps and this is a bowl of soul. Oh amidst to of psalm using who took A celebrating the legendary saxophonist. Mr john coltrane on giant steps which was done in one thousand nine hundred sixty and giant steps. Is the album also of that name. Which was the fifth studio album for. John coltrane released in february one thousand nine hundred sixty on atlantic records and it's considered a standard you know. Giant steps is considered a standard and again many of its tracks on this album especially the song has become a practice template for jazz saxophonists. So you'll learning how to play jazz. You wanna play this song giant steps and we celebrate mr john coltrane right here on a bowl of soul and you know what i didn't know. Is that the father of jazz. Which makes sense was mr louis armstrong and also known as satchmo. Louis armstrong grew up listening to the blues. As you know the father of the blues is legendary. W c handy and jazz is an original music. Art form celebrated all over the world. I mean old lova. The world because jazz incorporates elements of the blues and a syncopated off of the blues. Coming up next this classic standard by this lady and they were has been an excellent version done by the legendary latin soul artist. Joe pa- todd. Miss gloria lynne. Talking about i wish you love and this is a bowl of seoul. This is your man jay most in your listening to soul music at its best a bowl of soul mixed stew of soul music you leading without touching. This is where our story. You never have a friend. Good let's call it a day but before you walk away sincerely want to say he. I wish you birds to give your heart a song to say and then a kiss but more than this. I wish you love in june to cool you in some relief. Be i wish you go and more than wealth. I wish you by breaking and you could never be so with my best. Mas such you wish. Huge show from the star. I'll it by to keep you long. But most of all when snowflakes wish you that you never so my very cozy by to you but most of all when snowflakes i wish he He so beautiful so we celebrate. Miss gloria lynne was jazz singer from harlem new york and you know this song originally was done in french. It was call que less steel day. Nas amores which means what remains of our loves but the english version is what you just heard. I'd just. I wish you love which was done by miss gloria lynne and like i said gloria lynne was born on november twenty third nineteen twenty nine in harlem new york and she passed away in october. Fifteen twenty thirteen at the age of eighty three and her john. Nra of singing was jazz and this song was very popular in one thousand nine hundred sixty one. I wish you love. This song is a pop standard. Actually this is another song. Where if you wanna learn how to sing. Cut your chops doing this on a beautiful song. Very popular and in nineteen ninety six. Gloria lynne received the international women of jazz award and she was honored with a pioneer award by the rhythm and blues foundation in nineteen ninety-seven and she was honored at new. York's shamburg librarian in harlem. Because holum was where she was born for her many contributions to the music industry and the world of great by great women in music. And we celebrate this gloria lynne. Right here on a bullet soul coming up next going to give you some south side chicago jazz from the legendary mr john right. The name of this song is called forty seventh and callum it and this is a bowl of soul. Hi this is kanye does. And you're listening to a bowl of soul a mixed so music to us Wow ness definitely losing very busy celebrating. Mr john right. He was born in louisville kentucky but he was a child of chicago's south side jazz scene and he played solo piano. You listened to him. There are some traces of red gaulan. An arrow gone one of my favorite pianists. Both of them. But i love ever gone if you hear the bluesy you could. You know you could ways plano's keys but this man could put down and he was devoted entirely to a twelve bar blues and he was an uncommon musician who could create a stain moves with the simplest of material. And you know there is when you listen to jazz. Dear is a connection not only with the blues gospel. Because that's what gospel does you can take those most simplest song and create and sustain moons and move people through the music and the singing and we celebrate mr john right with his condition of forty seven thing. Callum it coming up next. We'll play you some latin jazz. This great right here. Missed the mongo. Santamaria doing summertime. You gotta hear this cut right here on a bowl of so. This is your man d folks. Y'all checking on a bowl of so. We wanted hottest days in a land. Professor t love The celebrate raw. Yeah you heard the african drums because this guy was a master of the cone guy. Mr romo mongo santamaria. Maria rodriguez who was born april seventh nineteen seventeen and he died february first two thousand and three and he was a cuban percussionist and ran leader. Who spent most of his career in the us and he was primarily a conga conga drummer and he was a leading figure import. Chunga glue dance. Craze of the nineteen sixties. His biggest hit was his rendition of herbie hancock's watermelon man and from the nineteen seventies. He recorded mainly salsa and latin jazz. And we celebrate. Mr mongo santamaria giving you latin jazz and you need to know why you need to listen to a bowl of soul music from fifty fifty fifty a little bit of the sixty six sixty sixty thrown in with similar seventy seventy seventy mix well with the eighty bring to boil the nine hundred and just judge or the future future. That's our recipe for a bowl of soul soul weeks Took took thank you. John john thank you right here on a bowl of soul celebrating the folk and jazz bone of mr donald. Byrd change makes you wanna hustle donaldson to overcharge bird. The second was born december. Nine nine thousand nine hundred ninety two and he passed away on february fourth twenty thirteen and he was an american jazz and rhythm and blues trumpeter and vocalist and he was a side man but many other jazz musicians of his generation bird. Donald byrd was known as one of the rare bebop jazz musicians who successfully explored funk. And while remaining ajay's a jazz office okay and donald byrd as a bandleader byrd was an influence on the early career of herbie hancock. And as you can see miles debt. Miles davis also legendary bebop musician who transition into funk any dabbled in r&b and he also dabbled in rock and i do believe as a result of that with miles davis you had to spin off of jazz fusion which incorporated the elements of funk and rb and jazz as well and herbie. Hancock was very successful at doing that as well. And so was quincy jones and quincy. Jones was a trumpeter but we celebrate donald. Donald byrd tucson. Overture bird the second right here on a bowl of soul and coming up next another jazz musician. Who also did his spin mixing jazz with them and blues missed inorganic connors featuring bass player. Mr michael henderson talking about this classic right here you are my starship and this is a bowl of seoul. This is job york. And you're listening to a bowl of soul with terry ferguson Just can a man handle must come dp own and Changed come jake. Come and go into containment. Few class from nineteen seventy six norman. Connah's featuring michael henderson. This song was a hit hot hot slow jam. They still play this on the quiet storm. And this was done with norman connors. Who is an american jazz drummer. Composer arranger producer was led some influential jazz and rb groups. One of the singers that he worked with also at this time was the legendary. I would say jazz pop. rmb singer. miss phyllis hyman. He worked with michael henderson. Who was the vocalist on his song. But michael henderson is an arm be bass player who has played with the dramatics as well as aretha. Franklin we celebrate them both right here on a bowl of soul put near little jazz r. and b. grew with you are my starship coming up next you to check out this groove because you know you heard this group before but you heard it with erica. Badu but we're going to give you the original dream lama by torika blue. And this is a bowl of so uh-huh a Giving you some classic jazz funk baby and you know you heard this as a sample on erykah badu song and this is where it came from this group. A blue right which consisted of guitarists real kawasaki and soprano sex sex from just do stole allah. Mario right and the group consisted of philip clendenin on the fender rhodes and arp with base from barry coleman and drums from heaven. Atkins this hot single. Do you know this album is out of stock. And i believe it because a lot of your jazz fusion funk type songs from this era from the seventies a lot of them were classic and this was one of them we celebrate tarik a blue right here on a bullet of soul. And we're going to give you some smooth jazz from the legendary phil perry who was a member of the armed. Be group the mock clair's back in the days. But then phil perry segue and did aren be and smooth jazz right here on a bull soul phil perry doing his rendition of patio bells classic. If only you knew and this is a bowl of so long. Must have them but A dream swap do Sangbad mr phil. Perry that was from nineteen ninety four off the album called pure pleasure giving us some smooth jazz and we going to leave you with this group which i think their second album actually was really good in is really the genre of music of jazz that they do saying. Jon benet talking about rendezvous and this is a bowl of soul sagan night to lasting blue. When i am i am. A smile comes across faces. You just that's as much The screen know that he's should win me on the Stu- eilly we're faced with regret sharing mall that wave exist all way took me a own muss day from sir Giving you some classic jazz from shana often the album. Saturday night rendezvous from nineteen ninety seven and i hope you enjoy this segment of boll soul. We celebrate april is jazz appreciation month. Which jazz is an original music. Art form make sure you catch up with me. You could hit me up at a bowl of soul g mail dot com makes you tune in to the abol of soul music. A mix of so music radio network on a live three sixty five. When thank all of you all over the world and right here in the united states for tuning in make sure you catch up with the heavy storm. Quite storm at seven pm on wednesdays with dj. Melvin jordan from seven to nine at ten pm on wednesdays you can catch up with love sex relationships with the professor at ten pm on fridays. Get your house. music sounds from. Dj sisterlove at ten pm on sunday. Catch up with gospel. Vibrations with melvin jordan at three pm and jazz infinity. Smooth jazz sounds from jon. Marcus says six pm. Make sure you follow me on twitter at a bullet soul and make sure you follow me on instagram under pr. O f t love and make sure you get some salts go by downloading this broadcast at abol of soul dot com. This is professor t love. Have a great weekend and your listening to a bowl of so. You're listening to a couple of sessa finally spring and i'm saying goodbye snow. Hello adventure and during the honda dream garage springy event. You can get epic deals on your favorite honda model ready to get rugged and take the off road in an all wheel drive honda. Suv like the hr v. pilot aspect or redesigned rich. I wanna take his spring road trip. Checkout fuel-efficient turbocharged civic or korte goodbye to winter and hello to new honda. 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A Bowl of Soul A Mixed Stew of Soul Music Broadcast - 05-10-2019

A Bowl of Soul A Mixed Stew of Soul Music

1:04:34 hr | 2 years ago

A Bowl of Soul A Mixed Stew of Soul Music Broadcast - 05-10-2019

"I can't wait for summer. All these huge summer. Sales starts now all jeans all t's all dresses all shorts around sale up to fifty percent off. Gene started fifteen dollars for adults. Ten dollars for kids shorts from twelve dollars for adult. Seven dollars for kids by online and pick up in store for free today. All jeans tees dresses and shorts are on sale. Up to fifty percent off. Now at old navy and old navy dot com. Valid five six two five twelve excludes in store clearance, active licensed men's packaged and flag tease. You'd reach the right place, a destination called soul, it's the beyond necks. You know? What's next it? So bull of soul a mixed. Stew of Salzone news. This is your man Jay most in your listening to soul music at its best of bowl of soul. Mc. Stew of soul music. This. Me. The. From me. And. Of Sola mixed two of so music, celebrating sixty years of Motown. And what you just heard what does it take to win your love which was done in nineteen sixty eight was a song that was written in nineteen sixty eight and became a nineteen sixty nine it's single by junior Walker and the Allstars and this single was one of junior. Walker's most successful releases becoming a hit on both the arm B and pop charts. And this song was written by les? Great, Mr. Johnny, Bristol, Harvey Fuqua and burnin Bulla and it made it into the top five on the hot one hundred billboard hot one hundred and became junior. Walker's second number one on the arm beach hearts and be. A break junior. Walker and the all stars celebrating sixty years of Motown. And this is a bowl of soul a mix to of so music this professor t love, and I know y'all like, where's professor t love. Well, guess what? Professor t love is here. Right back actuated, new -able of soul, a mix to of so music, and you know, I've been basically prepping and getting prepared, you know, bowl, you know, professor t love I play the bass guitar, and I am in a band called shoutout to my band. Call waza, and we play rock pop Rb, we play a little bit everything. And we got a show coming up on may twenty third at prohibition in Manhattan, New York. So that's where I was practicing and getting ready for his this show before the Memorial Day weekend. But I'm glad I'm backing I'm just. Gonna give you a shout out here with the bowl of soul on the progressive radio network, WW dot FM, and you can catch vol- a soul on live three sixty five dot com. Just look for bullet soul, and I'm shouting out live three sixty five because they really been blowing up a bowl of soul. Listening to round the clock sole twenty four hours a day seven days a week three hundred sixty five days of the year. Make sure you support of bowl of soul at a bowl of soul dot com. Coming up next gonna give you some sweet nineteen seventy soul from the late, great, Mr. Khoo Gooding junior who was delete singer of the main ingredient talking about where are you? And this is a bowl of Seoul. This is Jonathan Wednesday. Then you're listening to a bowl of soul. A mixed to SoHo us. Giving sweet soul from the legendary main ingredient that single where are you is off of the main ingredients album on our CA records. Call bitter sweet from nineteen seventy two. And as you know, we lost Kubat Gooding senior was the father of coop. The actor Kubat Gooding junior. We lost him on April twenty first twenty seventeen in California. And we celebrate. We celebrate the main ingredient we celebrate Mr. Kubat Gooding two year who was a resident from Harlem, USA, New York. And you know, the group was formed in Harlem was formed at Harlem in one thousand nine hundred sixty four before they became the main ingredient. The trio was called the poets and the original members of the main ingredient before Kubat Gooding. So you're came on board as lead singer was Luther Simmons, Don McPherson, and Tony Sylvester and Don McPherson, he passed away in early nineteen seventies and he replaced. He was replaced by Kubat Gooding senior. And the members of the original. Main ingredient. Of course, I told you that kookaburra senior he died in April of two thousand seventeen and also the again, the original lead singer passed away. He had been passed away since the early nineteen seventies. And then Tony Sylvester. He is also deceased was part of the core group of the main ingredient, and Mr. Luther is he still alive? Then you had crawl top is Larry more call to Blount George Staley senior Ryan idell, you know, we celebrate the main ingredient was very very popular group in the seventies. And they had many hits. Of course, they came on the scene with a million selling smash call everybody plays the fool, they were very popular on the arm beach hearts, but then they crossed over with everybody plays fool, which was a number two Rb hit and a number three pop hit, and it became the main ingredients biggest hit sold over one million copies of nineteen seventy-two. And they're a company album bittersweet became their first to hit the top ten on the Rb album chart, and it's followed up nineteen seventy three's which I feel this album is classic. From the main ingredient, call aphrodisiac which featured several songs written or code written by Stevie Wonder, and they became very popular again with just don't wanna be lonely with sold over one million copies. And we celebrate the main ingredient here on a bolles soul. Coming up nex. Again, celebrating Motown sixtieth anniversary and celebrating their inception to the world, which they came through on January of nineteen fifty nine which they started as Tamla records, but one of their writers and producers which was part of a one of the I think one of the one of the most greatest songwriting teams that Motown ever had Holland Dozier Holland. Of what you're going to listen to hear Mr. Lamont Dozier, and he had this classic song on ABC records talking about going back to my roots? And this is a bowl of soul. Hey, this is Chris Jasper of the icy brothers and Jasper nicely. And you're listening to a bowl of soul a mix to of sold music. Giving you some of the legendary Mr. Lamont dosier talking about going back to my roots. And that was from nineteen seventy seven and this song was covered by the group that did native New Yorker odyssey the FBI project and also runaway love misled the Clifford, and they have entered the UK singles charts with the FBI project version charting and other European markets as well and originally this track was about Scott genealogy. The song was written for African America's touch on the matters of self identity family as sole fulfillment. And definitely the people that took part in helping him to produce. This record was also the legendary late great, Mr. Hugh Masekela, and we celebrate Mr. Lamont dosier one third of the Holland Dozier. Holland writing production team at. Motown's celebrating sixty years of Motown coming up next wanna play for you something that's a classic. And I mean, a classic. This is like one of my favorite albums of all time. Just this one album to me it just hit the stratosphere in a still resonates in still like his brand new today. Doc, the buzzer and your rigid savannah ban. You got their first album that was on RCA records in nineteen seventy six nineteen seventy seven. Let me tell you that album was certified every song on that album was good and part of the the attraction was they took a forty swing style. And just bumped it up and made it funky here on a bowl of soul. Shea shea laugh farms Sesa bone by Dr buzzard in the regional savannah van and this is a bowl of soul. Hi, my name is Andy Stokes and you'll listen to both of soul a mixed to sell. Basic. Two. Something classic from nineteen seventy six. You know, talking about you know, most forty three years ago this was a classic kit. This was a combination of big band and swing and disco and Dr buzzes original savannah, Bank came right out of the Bronx, New York my hometown. And let me tell you. I am surprised this album did not sell more. I think after the original release it sold. It was a goal. You know, this single was gold record. And I think the album went gold, maybe five hundred thousand copies. But I think if you look at it from the time it came out to now, I'm sure it has so above that. And I and I recommend that you get this album because the way that they in infused big-band R&_B disco swing together is awesome. And the whole album is still hot sunshine. Shower. I'll be the fool for you. I'll be food for you ogre. Is that going get me over? You gotta you gotta hit us out. I still have it have it on CD have it on album. I mean this classic. And it's a way that you can listen to swing music in a most up to be fashioned. But it's still hot till is day. Even ghost face killer has shayla ghost. He been used shayla farm as the sample or he took some parts of it. But we celebrate Dr buzzes original savannah ban who hailed from the Bronx, New York, and this is a bowl of Seoul. We want to bring you some from Gladys Knight and the pips would a remix by Mr. Joey NATO, a disco re blend talking about taste of Biddle of this was a hot soul, and this is a bowl of soul. This is not the sweep. Sweep. Thinking. Sweep. Your. Giving you. A bit of love from Gladys Knight and pips and that was from nineteen that's was written by the late. Great, Mr. Nick, Ashford of Nick Ashford. And Valerie Simpson wrote this song tastes of bit of love bit of love. And this was hot for Gladys. Knight in the pips at this time in nineteen eighty and we celebrate Nicklaus Ashford and Valerie Simpson and Gladys Knight and the pips here on a bowl of soul, and you need to know why you need to listen to a bowl of so. Music from the fifty fifty fifty a little bit of the sixty sixty throat and with several seventy. Mix. Well with the eighty bring to boil with just a touch of the future. That's our recipe for a bowl of soul. Newfield? Keep it going. Let's do. I can't see. People. Like this. See? Will. We live in Australia. Not. Okay. No, no. He'll be thinking. Unplugged by leash. She Qian's from. Plugs in two thousand five the song use the sample of Eddie kendricks, nineteen seventy seven saw called intimate friends. You know, but this song was written by a leash aquis cognac, Wes and Harold Lilly. And you know, this, you know, as you heard made mention of Bill and Camille, Cosby Oprah Winfrey. Instead, grand Florida and James Evans will Jada Pinkett. Smith Comoro Lee, Russell Simmons Joe and Katherine Jackson as well. As the Jackson Five this is a funky. Tune. And you know, what I didn't know was this was written in two thousand and three and it was supposed to be on a leash keys album to diary of a leash aquis. But it was it was a mid in favor of diary and in nilly miss being on the unplugged album. And you know, at least you this song was one of her favorites. But she felt it didn't fit in. With her second apple here one. So we celebrate miss a leash aquis. And this this unplugged album was recorded here in the city of New York in the borough of Brooklyn at the Brooklyn academy of music and coming up next bringing us again, putting the old school soul music together with the new school. You got Betty Wright, who is a legend herself, miss clean woman's shoe, shoe rive. She also collaborated. With my girl as you stone baby baby. I love that saw. But here Betty right collaborates with the roots talking about all songs, and this is bull of soul this job York. And you're listening to a bowl of so with Terry. This. Nothing. Sample. Until the new. That you watch TV. Will. That is. Listen to. Tune into. And scott. That. And you. Giving you a mix of the old school in the new this is from Betty Wright and the roots talking about all songs from the album, Betty right to movie. Betty, right. Betty, right. She she's missing is a little itty bitty girl. But we celebrate the roots. Emmy, celebrate the legendary miss Betty, right? This was from two thousand eleven call all songs coming up neck's gonna give you a rework remix from Louie Vega of my body by the legendary who we we celebrate here on a bowl of soul. Mr. Luther Vandross talking about my body, and this is a ball of soul. Been trying to get the. That is. We celebrate. Legendary band growth. You know, who was born in April, and he would have been sixty eight years old. And we celebrate the fabulous legend, Mr. Luther Vandross. And we celebrate Mr. Louie Vega who with his production, which is brand new for twenty nineteen where he did the remix of body with Luther Vandross, and you know, he met Vandross to a good friend five thought in the late nineteen ninety s and his production partner. Kenny dope kansallis, and he were asked to co write some music and the rest is history. He was asked to co write producer track for upcoming album. And you know, when when they met they've flow like butter, and they all went into studio created a dance track. Call are you using me? You know, and. You know, on April twenty nineteen they, you know, Louis Vegas, celebrating the new release of this song my body perform recorded by none other than legend and king of Rb, Mr. Luther Vandross, and it was never released. This was never released and was recorded back in nineteen seventy nine by Luther Andrus when he was working on the colossal album never too much. So Louis Vega. Basically took this song and brought it back to life. And I thought it was hot and pop and make sure you support Mr. Louie Vega by going to track source in purchasing by body is considered so full house music, and I'm going to leave you with something sweet for the weekend. By this legendary lady who would've been seventy years old and her name is miss Phyllis Hyman. And you know, there's something coming up that's going to be celebrating. Celebrating miss Phyllis Hyman coming up so celebrating her seventy of birthday, which will be coming up in the summer in July. But we celebrate miss Phillips Hyman who was a singer songwriter and actress and phenomenal sing can sing anything because sing jazz blues. Swing. You name it that was miss Phillips. Hi, I'm going to leave you with a classic. That was done originally by the stylistics done Philistines way in to me it just through this song into the into another stratosphere betcha by golly. And with her being accompanied by Mr. Norman Connors, and this is a bowl of so. This this. Smut? And. Celebrating the legendary miss Phyllis Hyman here on a bowl of soul and make sure if you're in the city of New York end-july on July six they'll be attributed which is on the day of her birthday, Phyllis Hyman tribute with Queen diva and that will be at six pm at the triad theater in New York. Make sure you catch up with that that would have been Phyllis Hyman seventieth birthday. And I just want to thank all of you for tuning into this segment of a bowl of. So make sure you follow a bowl of soul at a bowl of soul on Twitter. Like, my Facebook page of bowl of soul mixed to of soul music. Make sure you follow me on Pinterest as well. I am on penetrates. I am also on Instagram. Just follow me a professor PR Aleph t love on. Instagram, and you can catch up with a bowl of soul on live three sixty five. Just look up a bowl of soul mix too. So music where you can get nonstop music limited commercial interruption three hundred sixty five days of the year. Seven days a week twenty four hours of the day. Make sure you catch a bowl so right here on the progressive radio network at six PM eastern standard time three PM Pacific. One of the progressive radio network for having me for about seven years on this network. And I really appreciate to Mr. Gary, no for having me on his network. Make sure you catchable soul at W, W dot A bowl of soul dot com. Bowl is soul is also on radio public dot com as well as I heart radio, make sure you treat people as you wish to be treated make sure you love. Love as show respect to one another. You know, this little ties we get close to that twenty twenty presidential election. Make some good choices out there. And I just want to give a big up to a one of the schools in the Bronx. That's been teaching teaching children about the history of rhythm and blues music, which I think is very important that we know how we have the music that we have which is Brigham and blues, and this is a bowl of soul mixed tube. So music have a great emphatic this weekend and your listening to of bull of so. You're listening to. Seven billion humans on earth can't all the same drink. That's why circle K has polar. Pop roster. Pick your flavors and make that one in seven billion mix. Just right for you fuller. Pop Prosser, just seventy nine cents each circle. K limited time at participating locations kit. 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Dab of Soul with Chris Anderton // 26/01/21

The Face Radio

1:47:34 hr | 8 months ago

Dab of Soul with Chris Anderton // 26/01/21

"From the so the brooklyn. You're listening to the face radio While coco welcome belong to a devastating myself. Crisanto turn freezing horrible code nineteen nantwich. We've even brought a pet rub him for yet another night inside the house it's supposed to be living in. The golden coach pristine every night. Look at bro night in the house tonight. We've got little special. Carry cage for him and the line there and keep our some warm digress. Got out a fantastic saw music for you. These will feature smell paychecks but a motown so me. No don't know fantastic top seven from mr dave household. Sit back relax bayrock along at your eight fantastic so me forget you can join the facebook four if you should say wish you can go on there if you're on facebook as if you're listening to live on the cat of course on monday night if you're on our sister stations them of course that ship has sailed as it as it were books listening on the on the more than welcome to join in the fun there. Okay without further ado. Let's play some music. This one start start off in upbeat fashion. Kolkata and and i can feel it. Among small the mind leaving me notion set my mind and double motion. Don't leave with no by food go baby. Is someone win all way for bad talk. If someone told me that way believe it. I guess Yeah co colson feeling is remember that one states shifty. and he said titas colton record on barbie. That goes for a hundred quid. Was like no the rain. there is which one is the remember how that conversation went. Yeah we didn't know about now is back in the ninety s. Of course we know it now know everything. Yes experts puts out. I thought well great. Great recco colton cheryl swipe on run to me. House smells instant engine. Don't think june his speech. Yes fantastic the minute that one livable. This one a free lane on. This is pinpricks gigs. And not to was yesterday the raw say. Oh he has to. You're seeing them soon. Hello to we would say stanley. Yes love pembroke. 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Who's you yes one to matic's and welcome by homeless next one the next seven tracks and thought they had at record at most five of my mind. Two of them are daves. So i know at least five of i've just complying so anyway i mean for retreats or hope hope player moment for surprise anyway as for sure. This is the first one les mccann. No not this one. this is called. Let your learning beat your eyes see. We think today's real the bush and rebounding. Maybe john mero light rains. He's smart to answers to some questions. This just to to expose something high. And i want to thank my acre. Keeps me sue spy. Oh ooh not to grew due to the dot. and that's all ooh this brings smock quest to op some question news and anyway Please don't yeah. Let's mccann hope truck on let your leading day or is it real grow our think not one could be certainly worse. He probably gonna play where this show a morris respond on the make. It look good chain. This challenge from don't Morrisville make it look. 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Maxwell roemer needs to me an october believe in taking up to news swollen tummy young. And i wanna lose you tool the news. And then all of these two inch these. Gooden own sues own. August building known to maybe walk-in satisfying go and eat to run out of me and we would never how a off style you lou read. Yes about to show everybody. We great great anthony white house. Stop and think it over. I'll tell you what we've got some great for you this hour some absolute greats status with the w w taylor know if some boats to sant back slow out. Sad impressions wouldn't have been this. Wow how does that sound. that'd be tayla got some major major news for you. The two thousand and twenty listeners chains of the cd is now available. Yes so they'd be a couple of weeks. Chris skates on and they are now available. You can get yours by donating at least seven pounds in the uk including postage eight pound. If you're in europe so minimum donations seven pound uk eight pound europe senate by paypal gift to dave on d l zero seven at bt internet dot com d. a. l. zero seven bt internet dot com. And they will post your copy for if you send him at least seven pounds. It's a crooked say day. The artwork is brilliant. So i will say is also every penny goes to charity so you didn't donate seven pounds taking any costs out. We're not take any cd's or any money for incorr- anything like that. The seven pound will go to charity. So you really should attended really. Shouldn't you know if that's the case. And then the whole of the money goes to charity. I will say that Griffis volunteer offered to donate his not only his time which is a considerable boulter. He's also going to pay for the ink a cds as well because obviously there's probably know that is being treated at the christie cancer hospital so Griffiths donated that as well as his time and they look superb. They sound superb. 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Your michael taylor. He's been struck by this code. Been us patrol. And he's been in that way. I spoke to him earlier and without going into detail. It sounds absolutely horrific so our love and best wishes to michael seems to be. Okay now. he's on the outside of it but let's not being well. Let me tell you is not being well played just one full year markle courses any beg music and also may hyper and come out stronger. I'm sure he will. This is david ruffin. Nine matter where i loved it. I i went to find you love. Nah solar used to old though goal thinking up three torch. We got some of the greats on the show tonight. Great david ruffin and not to wear days choices. Now norman connors. And didn't i blow your mind. Walk-a-thon tastic choice. Dave so you to chart then. Aw this a mm-hmm I don't know no just what i to do and So took off. Hey don't Costs a mistake. Cable leroy hudson choices. Now this one. 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A Bowl of Soul A Mixed Stew of Soul Music Broadcast - 03-12-2021 - The Ladies of R&B. March is Women's History Month

A Bowl of Soul A Mixed Stew of Soul Music

1:03:00 hr | 6 months ago

A Bowl of Soul A Mixed Stew of Soul Music Broadcast - 03-12-2021 - The Ladies of R&B. March is Women's History Month

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Be sure to add our podcast in the how did you hear about go. Section of the application you reach the right place destination called so it's the bionics you know what's necks it's a bowl of so mixed stew of so music so a mixed of using pro Giving you some classic soul from miss ruby andrews born ruby stackhouse on march twelfth nineteen forty seven and she is an american soul singer of what you just heard castano. Your playing days are over. This came out nineteen sixty seven. She also had some other hits called. You made a believer out of me from nineteen sixty nine and everybody saw you miss ruby andrews hails from holland dale mississippi. All right here on a bowl of soul you know this song cazenove was a crossover hit it. Hit number nine on the arm be charts and number fifty one in the pop charts. The song was written and produced by joshi jo armstead and it featured a typical chicago style. Mid tempo arrangement but was recorded and a range by mike terry in detroit and this is a bowl of so celebrating. March is women's history month and we're celebrating the ladies of ram. Be coming up next. Even though i'm playing you a famous fabulous. So duo i am also highly highlighting miss tammi terrell. Right here on a bowl of soul from marvin gaye and tammi to row talking about. Don't you worry baby and this is a bowl of this. Is your mandy folks. Y'all checking out a bowl of so we wanted the hottest. Dj's in laying capacity low alley learn two Giving us some classic soul you hit a back and forth between tammi terrell and marvin gaye this off of their second album called. You're all i need. Which was released in august of nineteen sixty eight on the motown subsidiary. Label tamla records. And you know a lot of the recordings on this release was done Recorded throughout nineteen sixty six one thousand nine hundred sixty seven which featured two top ten billboard. Hot one hundred hits written by nick ashford and valerie. Simpson ain't nothing like the real thing and you're all i need to get by this album. Peaked at number sixty on the us billboard. Two hundred album chart and this album was the final collaboration effort between marvin gaye and tammi terrell. Who would become ill. And then she succumbed to brain to a brain tumor in nineteen seventy. we celebrate missed tammi terrell. Who was born april twenty ninth nineteen forty five and she passed away on march sixteenth. Nineteen seventy she was also a song writer but she became infamous. Because she's she had been singing for nine years and she reached her peak when she teamed up with marvin gaye and we lost a fabulous singer. But her songs will go into infamy and we celebrate tammi. Terrell thomas sina when fred montgomery right here on a bullet soul celebrating march is women's history month here is another stellar singer was part of one of the most famous girl groups ever. And i'm mean ever miss florence ballard. She was produced at this time by george care who also produce linda jones. You will hear george cash treatment on this song. Sung beautifully by miss florence ballard. Call everything wonderful and this is a bowl of so. Hey this is kanye dawson. I'm hanging out with professor t love on a bowl of so a mixed of so music. Yup things up so wonderful friends. Tv can win was an scars. Ch avenue zero from one fully. She sat in tunisia Every you are wonderful everything. Wonderful a love. That song. And that was done and produced by george care far as ballard was on the abc. And when that came out. And i would say about nineteen sixty eight that single and you know. We celebrate miss florence glenda chapman who. That's her married. Name ms florence glenda ballard who was born june thirtieth nineteen forty three and she passed away on february twenty second nineteen seventy six and she was a founding member of the supremes and she had been active from nineteen fifty nine to nine hundred seventy and then from nineteen seventy five to nine thousand nine hundred seventy six we celebrate miss ballard's legacy right here on a bowl of soul coming up next we've got a classic you had to dig in your soul bag for this one. This was a forty five power of your love by mary. Love and this is a bowl of so so again. I walked into the room with no expectations justice. Donald everybody in here. I am at a bowl of soul with professor. Teela be been spa. The lead is bad. Aw giving you some classic soul from love mary and varney who was from sacramento california and she was discovered by sam. Cook's manager j w alexander and she began singing on sessions in los angeles before recording u-turn. My bitter into sweet for modern label in one thousand nine hundred sixty five and she had a single call move a little closer on the r&b chart in one thousand nine hundred sixty six and you just heard. I feel the power of your love and also. She sings gospel. She was an american soul and gospel singer and christian evangelists in a nineteen eighty. She married brad. A preacher by the name of brad comber and she reemerged in the eighties as merry love. Calmer and she had to single with a husband come out of the sandbox and this is a bowl of seoul we celebrate the legacy of miss. Merry love comber right here on a bowl of soul coming up next this lady. She blew the world up on her album when she was sixteen years old coming out of philadelphia pennsylvania via the bronx new york miss evelyn champagne king talking about smooth talk and this is a bowl of seoul. This is eric. B turner and you're listening to professor t love on a bone of seoul amidst to of soul music to you bull arena uh-huh you said hamas twelve manson i a few some classic soul from evelyn champagne king from her debut album of the same name from nineteen seventy seven smooth talk. It was produced by theodore life for rca records. And you know. She has some signature hits on that album. I don't know if it's right. And of course shane whoo your mom. Says you play in gay gene. I love this song but you know we celebrate evelyn champagne king right. She evelyn champagne. We can't pay king when we get together was born july first. Nineteen thousand nine hundred sixty and she was born in the bronx new york. She started in nineteen seventy seven and she still going strong to this day. We celebrate evelyn champagne k. Right here on a bowl of soul and you need to know why you need to listen to a bowl of soul music from fifty fifty fifty a little bit of the sixty sixty thrown in with similar seventy seventy seventy mix. Well with the eighty. Bring to and just judge of the future future. That's our recipe for a bowl of soul soul phil. You're listening to. This is roller skate. Jam sick city. Yeah sela frady. Miss stacy ladder saw stacey ladder. Saw jackson born november twenty fifth nineteen. Sixty six you know. When i heard i was in atlanta. You know you could tell. Always bring up about lanta. 'cause i had a good time my first time flying by myself i went to see my girlfriend in atlanta georgia in decatur which is outside of atlanta and in nineteen eighty boy. One thousand nine hundred eighty was a great year. I felt for rb music and stacey ladder saw came out with. Let me be your angel. And i got hooked on stacey ladder saw from listening to her in georgia and i would say the record shop and i bought the album and on this album. Was this song dynamite. One of her hits jump to the beep. All of these are roller skating jams. This and i also got into roller skating when i went to georgia. Could they do that a lot in atlanta. But this was a hot song and it was hot in the clubs too and we celebrate mistakes. Lads saw jackson right here on a bowl of soul and you know she also sang with johnny gill who was her friend and she hails from washington d. c. and this is a bullet zoll. We're going to play you some new music. From jeff bradshaw featuring kanye dos and this is a bowl of soul Lately he's been she's been having fresh mckay and how valley here's not bad said just want to fail the wow him. Getting often don't sitting down then it'll be comes from june. Okay you can just go bowl sue head and then go. O k this off excel turns third mint. I hope y'all dig. That's hot that's high kagyu. Dos has been doing a lot of collapse labs and she did a collab- with jeff bradshaw. Who is a trombone is. Make sure you support this. Single celebrate in his on all digital platforms. I tunes apple. Music spotify amazon. Make sure you get that. Single celebrate. Got a nice groove. The trombone at konya dos as always singing hough butto off. You support that single. We celebrate konya dos right here on a bowl of soul. You know. march is women's history month and coming up next. We got a new single. Another new single from karen. Lynette cold another star and this is a bowl of so Be right style through a new last. Not very your a goal without bow standing break toast. Nola s four me. two five. I said yesterday a long you from karen the net You know this lady has shared the stage with reporting artists. Such as norman connors dawn robinson of in vogue. Cece peniston club nouveau case miles. J anthony david mckee. Howard regina belle. Tom brown dexter ones. L. and numerous of us make sure you support karen lynette by going to her website karen lynette ally n. e. t. t. dot com and. She should be also on all musical platforms. You can go to amazon apple music. Spotify you name it new music for twenty twenty one and we celebrate ms karen lynette with her rendition of stevie wonder's classic another star right here on a bowl of so coming up next. We got some more new music from common rodgers talking abou and this is a bowl of so this is your man jay. Most in your listening to soul music at its best. A bowl of soul mixed stool of soul music think saves you his holding all the dan. You want to go on No pro business great but it could be a procession. You see things though. You might have intention. No back. Tom off home new music from common rogers who hails from dallas texas. And you know. She was born in mississippi but she was raised in texas and she is now based in atlanta georgia. She got this brand new single call. Good no good for you. Go to i am carmen rodgers. All d g e r s dot com and we celebrate new so music new. Ram be right here on a bowl of so. Just give it up. Make sure you support jeff. Bradshaw featuring kanye dos karen lynette. Doing her thing. Call another star and no good bye. Miss common rogers. We got some new music from mesa talking about soft words and this is a bowl of seoul. This is john york. And you're listening to a bowl of soul with terry ferguson. Never town would reap such sweetener man. If we looked we will see a never guessed. You never knew that campbell need strength in words we have home hei with. Please don't stop loving me. Thank the law arch is. i saw. You solved straw. I every move the homini soon. Sky was being a life. What listen to see you. Smile building a string. Jimmy yo strain era that like back new music from mesa talking about software is and you can also get that on all digital platforms and make sure you check out. Mesa soft words you can go to her website. Mesa dot com m. a. y. essay dot com and. Make sure you support her and you support all the artists that you hear on a bowl of soul. I'm gonna leave you with a classic from a new new arm. Be but a remake from tyra lavar zone doing a remake of wishing on a star and this is a bowl of soul You agree she then just think Do took shit us show queen and on the days to come no music wishing star by tyra evolve featuring mary meadows. Make sure you purchase this new music from tara bone and mary medals. You can go to her website. Tara t. y. R. a long l. e. v. dot com and. This is the end of a bowl of a hope. You like this segment. We are going to continue to celebrate. March is women's history. Month right here on a bowl of soul and make sure you catch up with a bowl of soul. I wanna give a shout out to all the listeners. All over the world especially alexandra city alabama who's been tuning in bala so like crazy. Let me tell you've been tuning in on. Live three sixty five and i wanna thank all of you people from germany as well and thank all the folks from england tuning in raising up the listening hours feeling. Good your make sure you tune into a bowl so a mixed to of so music radio network on live three sixty five dish look for both soul and you will see the icon to tune in a bowl of soul on the live three sixty five dot com front page. I'm celebrating your and also we got a bowl of soul t shirts. Yes with the saying on the back. So music at its best w. w. w. dot a bowl of soul dot com definitely. Make sure you support a bowl of soul. You can supportable of soul by purchasing a t shirt fanny pack or face mask. Make sure you go to my facebook page and you can click on the link that allows you to purchase that we would love your support because this is definitely a labor of love and we would love your support. So get your soul t shirts fanny pack and face mask and also like my facebook page a bowl of soul a mix of soul music and follow me on twitter at a bowl of soul and also catch up with me on instagram. Just look for pr r. f. T. love i wanna give a shout out to melvin jordan. Who had birthday this month. He also has a couple of shows on my radio network gospel vibrations at three pm on sundays. Eastern standard time and you can catch up with the heavy storm. Quiet storm right here on the bull. So radio network at seven pm from seven to nine. Pm eastern standard time and right after a ten pm catch up with the professor giving you a class in love sex and relationships and coming up soon we will have a smooth jazz radio program on the network. We'll keep you posted on. 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Nile Rodgers and CHIC

The Rhino Podcast

37:09 min | 3 years ago

Nile Rodgers and CHIC

"Ladies and gentlemen, records retired plate spinners and millennials who want to impress their parents with their record collections. Welcome to the rhino cast podcast. Brought to you by rhino records. Get ready for new releases detracts and conversations with your favorite artists and bands and balloons for the kiddies. And now your hosts with the most which may have and Dennis the menace on this episode of the rhino podcast, we speak with Nile Rodgers guitarist producer and founding member of Sheikh stick around. The. Hey, rich. Hey, dennis. We have had some amazing amazing guests on this podcast this one. This is royalty. There's no doubt about that. So very excited to have Nile Rodgers on the show Nile Rodgers live from his room at Abbey Road studios. Yeah, how cool is that? And what are we here? To celebrate. We're here to celebrate the chic organization nineteen seventy seven to seventy nine six disc vinyl version and five CD set saluting Nile and Bernard Edwards. And it's a signature addition remastered at the at forementioned Abbey Road studios. Nile was gracious enough to spend some time with us and give us all the back story about how it all came together. I think people are going to really find this conversation at indeed. And we're talking the first three she albums sisters wedges. We are family, plus twelve inch mixes. And seven inch edits from the air it. So there's going to be something for everybody on this one. Of course, besides just sheet he has such a storied career. He's produced some of the most popular albums out there these records. It's a lot more than disco. When you hear about Niles background playing at the Apollo and and how he and Bernard got together. It's really incredible stuff. And for example, for those who are listening who are collectors you can't buy things like twelve injury issue of sheikhs first single if you did find that on one of those auction websites. It would break your Bank. There's no question about it. And you can get everything here in one fell swoop. Yeah. This set has been remastered from the original Atlantic, stereo tapes. And of course, was the executive producer. He personally oversaw the remastering process with the approval of Bernard Edwards estate. They really took the extra steps to make sure that it sounded fantastic. For instance. The six disc vinyl version of this back set was mastered. At half speed and pressed on one hundred eighty gram vinyl audio this final is heavy in both content and weight. Well, I don't know about you. But I can't wait to share this conversation that you and I had with Nile Rodgers from Abbey Road. Well, let's get right to it. Would you introduce yourself place? I'm Nile Rodgers producer co founder of the ban chic and a whole bunch of other things guitar player. Arranger composer, all that stuff. Debonair man about town. You know? That last one's the only at parties. That's the only thing that counts really is introduce yourself and say, I'm Deb air man about town. That's all you need. And you know, you have to do it. In beat. I'm Deb air man about town. Bingo. Nineteen fifty three. Well, your mom in nineteen Fifty-three was thirteen is that correct? In nineteen five three. My mom would have been fourteen years old at the beginning of the year. And she would have turned fifteen in fifty three beat Knicks heroin artists. This was your normal. But that said there was a ton of music surrounding you lots of modern jazz. Right. Nineteen fifty seven I became sort of self aware. And I knew what music was I knew who I was a new my neighborhood, and all that sort of thing at that time, I was living on the Lower East Side and in Manhattan, you know, a block away from the Williamsburg bridge. That's sort of where the story starts literally got back from New York two days ago on some production. I state literally at Lancy. In Alan streets. Yeah. Bingo, Delancey attorney street. That's where I'm from. And when I say, this was your normal, you know, being surrounded by people shooting up. I mean that sounds like such negative, but everybody talks about the fact that that really was the musician culture back then. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, that part of town that really was much more of the Jewish neighborhood. The sort of Bowery bums would have started a little bit further north the Bowery that far down wasn't really bummy was bordering on Chinatown was the Shmatko district Bowery bums. And and the heroine thing started a few blocks a little bit further north it got really hard core around house than street and places like that classical was your original jam. But I'm I think I'm right here that a teenage crush changed at all. Would you tell me about her and picking ATar to impress her pretty much everybody in? The New York City school system played some kind of instrument 'cause music was a mandatory part of the curriculum. I mean, just everybody learned music. Everybody learned art, not everybody learned it. Well, I happen to do. Well, so I played flute and stuff like that. And the final instrument I played in the Symphony Orchestra was the clarinet now a sort of lucky for me because I went from the clarinet to the Qatar and I play guitar almost on a dare I had moved back to New York from Los Angeles. My uncle was dating this girl's mom girl was like gorgeous. She had a ban in the band needed a guitar player. And I thought because I already play other instruments that I'd be pretty good on guitar, or at least could figure it out well enough to play in their band because they weren't really exceptional. They were. Okay. Oops. I was wrong. I I tried. I tried to guitar. I had no idea what I was doing. I didn't even know how to tune the thing. I just tuned into a place where when I played an open tuning of all the strings, I got something that was harmonic -ly stable and somewhat melodious. But I didn't know how to really get around on the instrument. Big Atari didn't make any sense to me it being flat. And having no valves or no nothing. It was like, you know, like piano, you hit the thing. And it makes noise the guitar you just pluck those strings in it. It was weird. I couldn't make heads no tails out of it. So is it true that a day in the life was one of the first things that you strummed? Yeah. Actually, what happened was I got a Beatles. Songbook and guitar songbooks have diagrams of the neck, and it basically tells you the proper fingerings for the. Cords for a song. So they expect you to know the melody and you play the chords, and you sing along. And that's what I did. However, when I figured the cords when I followed the fingering diagrams the cords never sounded, right? They sounded like something. Good because I had tuned it in some sort of extraneous obtuse way. But that the open strings would sound nice. But when I fingered them in the positions that correspondent to the chart. It didn't make any sense. My brain told me it was because I just wasn't fingering the strings properly that I had my hand in the right position. But my fingers were somehow not laying on the neck evenly. And that's because I was thinking about classical instruments. I was thinking about Ombu Scher and stuff like that. So I just kept trying over and over and over and over again thing in at sooner or later, I'm gonna get angle. There you go. That's how you gotta hold it. Anyway, my mom's boyfriend came. Home. And he heard me struggling, and he said Jesus Christ. Will you got this thing too? Like, I looked at him. As like, I don't know. I got it tuned to the point where it sounded good. And he said, no, that's not how you tuna guitar anyway, the guy tuned it for me. And in the first thing, I did was look at the Beatles. Song book in play the positioning that I have been struggling with for week and it sounded beautiful. It was like, wow. I. Nice. It was like the first quarter of day in the life. I went pruning, and it was like, wow. It was great. And I played the second chord at third cord, and then I went back, and I sang very slowly. I read the news today. Oh, boy, down doom Cotone tone about a lucky, man. Who made the grade don't don't don't don't. I was like into it. I was like, wow. I felt like the first person they'd climb Mount Everest. Yeah. But you know, the way you just sung it that was so Neild. You just made a day in the life your own which is a great segue to Joe repose. Oh, I mean Sesame Street killer gig. Yeah. I got my job with Sesame Street, maybe less than two years after I I picked Qatar. But when I played a day in life that day, I once the guitar was in tune, then I could practice properly because I had stacks and stacks and stacks of B-flat clarinet student books. I could read those books and read the music and just transfer that music as best as you could transfer to the guitar neck. And that was something that helped me a great deal because it taught me how to play guitar without looking at the neck most guitar players have to look at the neck to play guitar when I got my Gigot Sesame Street. It was my first day at Manhattan school of music. Which was the former campus of Juilliard I went down to the practice rooms in down in the practice rooms they had up on the bulletin board index cards for auditioning ATar players, and anyway, I got the gig with Sesame Street. So I never went to school. I took the game. I mean, come on. Would you go to school there? Would you take the gig? I took the gig as soon as I addition I got a call back when I got a call back. I got the geic powering at that time. I couldn't have been any more than nineteen. It's a little bit tricky for me because we could probably figure it out. We look up in Google or Wikipedia whatever the first year that Sesame Street was on the air. So I wasn't there. The first year that was Carlos Alamar Carlos Alamar wound up going in joining the young Americans know sorry about that Carlos went from Sesame Street to the Apollo theater to the young Americans. So I was probably would Sesame Street its second year or third year not knowing if the television year sort of ran. Concurrently with the Apollo sessions. Great segue. How long was it between Sesame Street and joining the house band at the Apollo. I can't really tell because my teen years are somewhat of a blur. And they're only learning chronologically. I remember all the events. I just don't know how long things took between events because just think when you're eighteen you only been self-aware for thirteen years. So everything seems like an eternity. You know? Just thinking about it. Go back to when you were eighteen it took for ever to turn twenty one. But once you turn twenty one you became twenty five pretty quick and from twenty-five thirty was overnight and thirty the forty I mean, forget about it. It's ridiculous. So being in a house band, you're basically handed the charts for the artist, and you need to play very much like, you know, the talk show bands have to do these days. Right. Maybe you get a rehearsal. So. So tell me one story if you can remember a good one about an artist you played behind the handed the charts, and you said, whoa. This is going to be this is going to be something none of the charts at the Apollo were hard. But what was really interesting was my very first day on the job that particular show was a complete review format where we had maybe five or six artists the first act was screaming Jay Hawkins. And I guess he was the opener because he only had one really big single which was called. I put a spell on you because your mind, exactly. And his routine was to open up with put a spell on. You. I didn't know anything about screaming. Jay hawkins. I didn't know about his stick with the barren Sammadi thing in the skull and the whole bit. So I just wanted to play the job. Well, so my eyes were fixed on the music director who was a gentleman named Reuben Phillips the song is in six eight and he. Goes to do. Do. Fellow you. Because. As soon as we hit the downbeat screaming, Jay's coffin opened up. Now, I didn't see the coffin being wheeled in because it was behind the curtain, and I was paying attention to the conductor who was to stage left. So my eyes were focused on stage left, and I was sitting in the first Qatar chair and the coffin was to stage. Right. And he jumped out of the coffin scared. The daylights out of me, I pull my court out of my tar amp and tried to run stage left, and they the Apollo employees had stayed left blocked. I couldn't get off the stage. Then I ran behind the band behind the drummer and went to stage, right? And they had that block too. So now I had to come all the way around the coffin. Now, I'm standing on the front of the Apollo stage. And it was the most embarrassing thing. Because the whole crew is in on it the audience died laughing because they could tell it wasn't a joke. I was totally scared and. Oh my God. And at that point when everybody was laughing, I realize oh, man. It's a joke. And I'm the butt of everyone's joke tonight. I sat down plugged in and played this show. And at that point, the old timers really took me in and taught me how to play and there were at least two good tar players if not three on that gig, probably two main guitar player who were in the Apollo ban and quite often artists that would perform would bring Qatar player as their bandleader because in those days are in be songs were quite guitar heavy because of all the rhythm and all the parts. Wow. So I'm holding in my hand my original copy of doing fine. Now, I've been to several copies forty five. But I've kept my original. Because I've I've loved that song since day one when I was doing Sesame Street. We would go out on tours, but they were doing the television show. So we would go out on the weekends or whenever they weren't. Shooting. So I met Bernard doing a pickup gig at a bar in the Bronx. The first time we played together. It was almost sort of like love at first sight and me he was the one of the best musicians I ever heard and he thought that I was one of the best musicians that he had ever heard. And we had decided that every gig. We got we would try and get that person put on the gig with us. So you would just mentioning I'm doing fine. Now, a few months after I met Bernard he became the band leader for the group New York City. And of course, we had the hit record. I'm doing fun. Without you be he when he got that gig. He convinced them to hire me as the top layer that was sort of the start of something really really special. It was the star of the Big Apple band yet the Big Apple band. So was New York City was the group signed to label called Chelsea records. Yep. Part of our CIA. Yes. Exactly. A lot of people don't realize this. But the CEO of Chelsea records was married to Christina Sinatra and Tina Sinatra named are ban is she named New York City, New York City. Also, I used to clean up the plane that was owned by her father Frank Sinatra and that plane was called the Christina. So I sorta had Christina Sinatra in my life since I was a teenager you toured behind Luther Vandross as for Simpson. And of course, Luther would prove to be influential in other ways to you music as part of the sheet choir moving forward with alpha Norma Jean and the others. So let's say way a little bit into Big Apple band into chic. A fifth of Beethoven killed your name didn't it. Yes. Exactly. So I'm working with Sesame Street. Then I go to the Apollo then I do New York City Bernard an eye, gigging. We're going all over the world with these guys. They put out their second album and the second album didn't yield any hits. So the group broke up and left me in London. The our last gig was somewhere in England. I think in hull or Google or something like that. And anyways, so we were based in London, and we would just ride off on the on the bus every day to the gigs. Anyway. So we were packing up the bus to go to the airport and somebody stole my bag, which had all my money in my passport. This was a Friday, and I would have to wait until Monday to go to the US embassy. You know, the old joke. What do you call a musician without a girlfriend homeless? Exactly, exactly. Well. Well, I haven't have girlfriends so I wasn't homeless. So I stayed at her apartment over the weekend and over that weekend. She took me to see her favourite ban, which was a group called Roxy music. I had never heard of Roxy music. And when we went to see them, I was blown away. I had never seen anything like that. I was obsessed with Roxy music because up until that time every rock and roll band that I had seen except for the early rock and roll bands, like Herman's hermits and the Beatles. But now during the psychedelic era, every rock and roll band that I saw whatever that ban put on in the morning. That's what they put on to do a performance in. I never saw a group get dressed up in Katrina clothing to perform for an audience. So when I went and saw Roxie music and Bryan ferry and this whole production. And also the audience was beautiful the audience was sort of like incur- clothing. I was like, wow. This is amazing. So I ran out the next day to section of town Camden, and where they had a lot of record stores than I found three Roxie music albums. I was like these got three albums, and I never heard of them. And I saw that they had playboy models and supermodels on their covers. And I was like, whoa. We gotta do the black version of this. I called Bernard up Bernard Edwards. And I said, hey, man, we gotta put the band back together. We got to keep the band together. We're still the Big Apple ban. And I said, but I got the concept we could be really sophisticated put supermodels on the cover. Not remember before they coined the term, supermodel. We only knew one model there was this girl named Twiggy. She was the only model that we knew by name that the world new name before Twiggy. They would just models. Right. You didn't. You didn't care you. Go see, you know, Chanel show fashion show. You didn't know the name of the models. You just knew the name of the fashion design. Owners. So now, all of a sudden these supermodels come up on the set, and we decided that we had to have supermodels on our cover, and we had to do the Roxie music thing. We started putting together a ban because our former fellow Big Apple ban members didn't believe in this sort of sophisticated look and sound and whatever. So the first person we hired was a keyboard player named rob Sabino, and rob Sabina was good friends with this band called kiss and kissed it and have a record deal either. And we were still a Big Apple ban. We went out and we saw kiss and we just flipped out. We're like, wow. These guys have a fan base. And no record deal is incredible. And we couldn't help. But notice that everywhere they had their logo, and it was all upper case letters k I s s and I couldn't help. But also notice that Roxy music was Roxie for. For letters so four and four we're starting to get somewhere. Anyway, the other big band that was signed to Atlantic records was a group called Alba and abaya had four letters, and they will all upper king. All of a sudden stuff started to make sense. I it's a sign. Yeah. It was like, yeah. It is. We gotta do something like that. We gotta get one word that is upper case. So Bernard said Sheikh, and Tony and I laughed at him. We thought that was the most ridiculous thing we have heard we liked being the Big Apple ban. But we were open minded, but we weren't that open minded until Walter Murphy recorded a song called a fifth of Beethoven, which was Beethoven's fifth done disco style, and he called himself well to Murphy in the Big Apple band. He was my schoolmate or would have been my schoolmate had I gone to school in not taking Sesame Street. So Walter had graduated from Manhattan, he knew me, he knew all we all knew each other. We all were in the same place. But he took the name gotta hit record. Everybody thought that it was Bernarda myself, including Luther Vandross who we worked with a new. So we changed our name to Sheikh. We cut our first record, which was dance dance dance. Hausa believe it or not I hate to break people's hearts, but Tony Thompson is not playing drums on dance dance dance. Because as I said, no one really believed in the sheet concept. So that's Bernard words, myself, the drummer is a guy named Jimmy young rob Sabino played on it. And that was the beginning of chic, but we got signed just Bernard myself because all of this stuff happened so quickly. We didn't know that we weren't going to be the Big Apple ban. We got the record deal and then a fifth of Beethoven came out. It was like, whoa. Whoa. Now. What do we do we became chic, and we did the whole upper case thing, and we even looked at the kiss logo. And we noticed the two S's and the K and the I and we thought wait a minute. We got to seize and I in age not far from kiss pretty cool will take the anonymity. City of kiss and the elegance of Roxy and bam. There you go. We have chic cool thing about this was is that we only looked like Sheikh when we were dressed in clothing normally people would not pay attention to us. And that's what we love about kiss is that they had a sense of anonymity. Like, no one had any idea. Like when we first met kiss they took off their makeup, and they were sitting in the audience with us where meanwhile, ten minutes before it was like complete pandemonium once they took off the makeup. No one had any idea who guys were. So we thought that we wanted that kind of anonymity. Because we didn't look like stars. We didn't believe we was stars. And that's why we put the supermodels on the cover. They look like stars. And we also about people would think those two girls with a group like perfectly fine with us. Just play the damn record. Dance dance dance really reflected the melting pot that was New York City. And you know, the moves that you found in a club when it was released and the syncopation of rhythms and the strings were unlike anything at the time, including that break in the middle with the weird crazy sounds in it. Right. How did you know when you recorded that when you record it, everybody dance? How did you know that you were onto something? I mean, obviously got played in a club. And you got reactions that we know that stories well told we had a pretty good instinct for what was happening in the clubs. We had seen a number of jazz artists that we were big fans of get hit records playing disco. And we thought, wow, this is pretty cool. We could play a style of music hold your head up high because it was cool and sophisticated chord changes. And I would do all the orchestration. And if you look at you know, the people playing on any chic record, it was always the cream of the crop of New York musicians. You know one day we will working for Luther Vandross. He was our boss, we cut our first record next thing. You know, we were his boss. He came out on the road with us. He taught us the whole vocal style. We got signed to the same label. Luther Vandross was signed to Atlantic. So he has to on Atlantic meter was his big as the first chic record. So we flipped the script, and he became our employees. So things will go in great for us. Right. From the start. We got signed to a singles deal. Only Bernard myself, we weren't called she we we made up the name after we got the deal we were only signed to a singles deal. So our record had to be a hit. So that style of orchestration that I was doing was across between what was going on with Barry, white and silver convention and stuff like that. But we didn't wanna go heavy heavy disco. We wanted our sound to really be about the ban about the rhythm section and really about the interplay between Bernardo with myself. I mean, you can hear all of the records really about the base in the guitar and the cool piano voicing, you know, like, the real cool, piano, pads and. Strings were important, but they weren't the focus. Unlike with Barry, white strings and his voice with a focus with us. It was the rhythm section. So I'm holding say she can my hand actually holding my original copy from back in the day. And I checked off some tracks things like Savoia fair and particularly at last I'm free, seven minutes and eight seconds. Yeah. So when people try to portray chic as a disco band. It was indeed about the composition about the tone about the sound. You're creating it wasn't really about disco. No, it wasn't about disco at all it was about the openness of disco. The fact that disco allow a ban like us. We thought of ourselves more like a cross between earth when and firing cooler and the gang more than we thought of ourselves like, you know, Serono or the village people. But you know, we love Ceron we love the village we love Donna summer. That's just not who we were. We were jazz musicians as sort of learned how to write pop songs like the people that we were, you know, proud of the Norman Connors Herbie, Hancock Herbie Mann people. Like that ROY Ayers, Joe Beck. All these people had big big dance records. And we thought we could have a. Dan, that would specialize in these sort of jazzy dance records, you only needed to boogie is an example. Yeah. Yeah. So by boogie, and I mean, a lot of bands with those type of things I mean, you think of all of the Philly stuff. He's all serious musicians. Who learned how to write really good pop songs. So that's what we were. And the only difference is that we went on the road. We gotta hit and we took it out there, and we were onstage with the hardcore funk bands, the same reaction that I had when I saw rocky music. That's the reaction people had when they saw Sheikh when they saw that we had girls on saxophone trumpet for girls on violins people had never seen that in our MB. And it was like unbelievable when we were out there with like some of the most hardcore funk bands in the world. It was pretty exciting to be a band during those early days of I guess. Maybe the last days of disco because unfortunately, those groups didn't go out and tour so they never had a real presence. I think that if those groups had performed the whole disco sucks. Movement would never really brought them down. You know, if most of those bands were like chic and could go out and play. I mean, hell we can go play any day of the week with you know, the stones or kiss any of those bands. We'd have been fine as a math right now. I always tell my manager. How come we're not opening for like? Like Elton, John Paul McCartney and and artists like that. 'cause we certainly can hold our own. So we wanted to be with a rock bands. Matter of fact, the rock bands were some of our best friends. That's how we wound up producing Blondie. That's how I wound up producing Bowie. The beef fifty twos. All those bands new chic as players. We were not just studio guys. We were people go out and perform I would be remiss if we didn't go down the road with Katie, Debbie, Kim and Joni. Yeah. So it was the head of Atlantic asked you to work your magic with them right because they were literally family to him and that became the signpost one of the most iconic songs of the era and for that matter today. Yeah. As a matter of fact, what happened is that the head of Atlantic was Jerry Greenberg at the time. And he thought that we really had studio fifty four fairy dust in a bottle, and that we sprinkle it anybody. He didn't offer us this sledge actually offered us the role. Stones and Bette midler and Bernard. And I thought well how we gonna produce the Rolling Stone. We do tell Keith and make what the sing in play. We had a formula. And we we knew that off formula work. So we said to Jerry instead of giving us somebody famous. Why don't you give somebody that's not famous and weaken make them fame, and we weren't cocky, we just we just knew what was happening in the streets. We said if we can prove to you what we can do wouldn't we be more valuable than just working with somebody. That's already bringing in money. What if we can take somebody that's not bringing in any money and make them happen? So he told us about this group. Call sister, sledge that was like family to the label and he dictated basically, what would be the lyrics to. We are family to us. He talked about how when they come in. Visit the labeled a stick together and this and that. We went home. And we looked at our notes we were trying to act professional. We had no idea what we were doing. We had instinct, and we had a desire, but we didn't know how producers handle themselves in meetings. We didn't know anything. We just walked up to the office and tried to act like we'll professional producers because we had only produced chic and we'd only produced Norma Jean right? So when he told us about sister, sledge, we just superimpose what he had said onto them believe it or not we never met sister sledge until they came to the studio to sing. And we basically had the whole album written and conceptualize before they walked in the door when they walked in the door. They saw scribbling out. The final words we are family, and they got a little upset with us. What are you guys doing? We hold on. We're almost finished. And. Finishing? We're family. And next thing. You know, we basically played their record. Coz when we did the demos. We had already sang the song. So it was like, oh, you guys got to do is sing on top of us. And we got it. How about that? Now Rogers Dennis seriously, I've been wanting to share this the friends and it keeps saying when's it going to be released. When's it going to be released? And I said, well, it's going to be released around the time that the chic organization nineteen seventy seven seventy nine box set is released and this box is in stores as of November twenty third of two thousand eighteen you can get at your usual record store online outlets digitally through your favorite streaming service. But don't forget folks that does come into physical sets. It's a five CD box set and six disc vinyl version more music than you can shake a stick at from the master of now Rogers H E and last, but certainly not least don't forget to hit that subscribe button. So you don't miss the next Rancho cast executive producers for rhino, John Hughes. Lauren Goldberg produced for rhino by. Pop cold enrich may promotions all rights reserved.

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James Mtume (Part 1)

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James Mtume (Part 1)

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The streaming service from nbc universal sign up at peacock tb dot com. To get started of course love. Supreme is a production of iheartradio. This classic episode was produced by the team at pandora culas classic and we are literally talking all jazz. Master musician producer songwriter. James to me. We talk about his life journey going up in the heath household rubbing shoulders with all the jazz greats to going in the creative process of writing the music also explaining the origins of his name. We hope you enjoy part. One of this two parter with james into from october. Two thousand seventeen culas question fremaux. Roll call suprema roll roll roll. Call us love in the house. Yeah that's not surprising. Yeah my sinus artichoke with spare his rise role supremo desfontaine. And i can't stop won't stop you either. You are the key to my love. Lots of love air toe and d. o. Dotto but this guy here. He played with gotta roll call. Suprema roll bill. Yeah you know who you are. Let it hold you down. Reach fold mcconnell remote role. Don't be concerned boss. Bill's return vacation was great. Time off welfare over a month o'connor yeah he saw freemen. My name is willie over really. My son is artichoke. Green rising saw three months free. Pop wow welcome to another episode. Of course love supreme. Let's welcome back our boss boss. Bill always calling the shots from europe. You okay so long you also realize that we was you know you while us away definitely wildcats away. You really think. I cared amsterdam. I was thinking about this show our amsterdam bill. I don't remember it was good. Good answer Yeah welcome to episode. Of course love supreme We got the team supreme here. We got boss bill unpaid bill. Yeah fong tikolo and it's like. Yeah we yeah we we. We decided to commit on a name. That's consistent and this is the second week of row that you're calling you. It's like our guest. I'm sorry and we got sick steve. I'm sorry man. I'm writing best friends man. It's got to looking right at me. That was well. Pleads dinka are distinguished guest today ladies and gentlemen Has has achieved a lot in in the world jazz in the world of pop music and soul music and rb and I guess inadvertently hip hop as well. You know yes absolutely He has had his his. His sister is is just a who's who of of history to amsterdam. Yes ladies plays jomon please. Welcome the incomparable. James m to me of course land thank you so much thank you. We know you have stories in history. We are live and electric lady studios right now you about the tell us you been here a few times man. That's the. That's the first time i was in here. It was like seventy four. Wow i remember been here like i can't remember some jazz a lot of jazz because we're done here in the set on. I think the last time i was here was would be lau. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. It's something about the studio that makes artists forget what who they were a man disclosure committee. I look up their data. Yeah yeah man. so are you. Not many people know that you are philadelphian philly known that you're a philadelphia. I know what. That's a great question Most people don't know it. Although i've always made that clear born and raised in south philly. I left when i was eighteen to go to college pasadena but south philly yup are you. Are you even be the net. I never got any wreck fame. No i will increase. I'll i will probably. I'm not playing devil's advocate. Because you know if you're if you're on a border committee like that. I would hope to that you would do your thorough research. I don't i mean based on you don't do that much press or now a lot of press and i'm pretty much a sponge for this type of information. I truly didn't know that until maybe three four five minutes ago that's deep. That's why got into y'all when ehud jealous from philly route really makes sense now so you want to south philly where fifteen six th street right across from junior. I went to overbrook overbrook. Yes sir we did. You go to Them deep i went. I graduated in sixty six. So i think was that sixty two because remember back then. Highschool started in tenth grade. Okay you know you had junior high right. So yeah and i went to. Because i went to school i was a swimmer and over in south. Southern didn't have a swimming team and my uncle lives in bed around the corner from brooks. I used his address when commuted everyday you say seven because my arrow southern was light. Joe clark's leonor. Means southern matter of fact valley high school. The same way like you know back in back in those days but was it cool to go to southern and if you want to well you know. Wasn't that many bloods really. You know it was a whole you to remember. South philly wasn't what it was. I mean back then. I think my family when we moved there we probably about the second family black family that was in that area. What is your folks do. Well let me let me get this great question. my biological father is is a jimmy heath. great jimmy end of the heath brothers. mike percy Uncles tutti koumba father. That raised me was was was a great pianist. Name james and gates forward He played with the bird dizzy. He played with lester young. You know and as a matter of fact. Bill when he was billie billie holiday paid for my parents wedding with my mother. Why don washington was is my sister's godmother my sister's pass but down and we're gonna go there love. I'm seventy years old but i've been in this thing meant when i was ten eleven. I just briefly say this. I remember sometimes be at the table. Dinner is dizzy. Gillespie colonial. There's coltrane. I'm not going to say i knew how hip that was but i knew i was in some special ship. What was the dinner conversation. Like with those kind of people. Nine man. I just knew it was like wow you know and as i got older the deep part is that a ended a plane with somebody's people will appreciate it. The intellect in the humor. What is funniest people in the world because miles davis and a lot of people. Because you know you see him as just a serious man. Funniest cat in world all jazz. Cats are funny. I think dave chapelle. You can't played on it. I think we have block party. And i saw him sit down and he started playing around midnight. I said law and about humor of month and timing No it was very special sunny violence. I play with all these gets. We'll have. i'm sorry. I just wanted to add while i'm old. Let me hear my father jimmy an myself the only father son historically that ever played with miles father played and assembly. And when when you might as well planned because if you play. Because i also play you know. Obviously i didn't write songs and scored keyboards. Okay so can i ask a well first of all for for the heath brothers question. Yes because they mean a lot to us for another reason. The sam who's playing who's playing the kalimba orange cal. That was okay. So they were makes more sense. You can't elaborate for the people that don't listen to us. I don't care to live back okay. Okay so basically For hip hop heads that care about vr to sampling A well loved heath brothers song called small and billy with sample by china's Q tip sample on houses one love and so and the beaten that's also sampled. Of course yes. But the only cow. Yes i'd that's that one. I didn't know. I didn't know that he was in said the crew and i didn't know they were from philly. I was saying that when these luminaries like come into your house and just hang with you know. Yeah no one appreciates. When they're young right. I did while i was saying like see. You instantly knew and appreciated. Like i said i'd be. I'd be lying to say that young. I just knew something special. I knew it was something special and Sometimes cats would stay would like if they were working. Philly like sunny still live with us for that week. And i remember one day waking up. He was in the back yard tracks. Playing alto. barry. Have a great jazz pianist. Stayed with us. He's the canon ball back and they'd come in play. I was going to clubs when i was fourteen and fifteen. I couldn't no drink about knowing you're sitting. They'll give you a little a coke or something better is to go there and hear yussef peps schober. Oh yeah man. So what was the okay. So described the a cabaret music scene. Like what was it. Where could you. Where could you go see. What was the typical lineup. Like in to see these shows were especially info days. Every city had a ton of jazz clubs. And that's where the you know. Obviously you noticed. You know as well as i do. That's where you went to hear music. It wasn't until miles came along. That jazz started breaking on the concert. You pay money sitting in the in the lincoln center at a place like that but clubs man you know s where it was so nervous. The crowds were so hip to be up. Audience was his hip is a castle state. Because you to know you wouldn't. You wouldn't hip if you did have the new coltrane you know in junior high school man. I couldn't wait when you know. Milestone and kind of blue came out and isolate study every solo and i would him. That was my introduction to this music. So you're your you coming up. Jazz was like the pop music of your time. Real hip hop it was and i'm also growing up with frankie lymon the teenagers. Why do fools fall in look. So it's the birth of black arm. Be and this whole. Youth was w s georgie. Woods man with the goods. You know every night. I'm listening to that now. This is a funny story. And if i'm talking too much l. Come knowing what we want so normally we talk you. Please talk more than d. c. One thing you've got a remember back then. Grown up in a jazz household was almost like and listening to rb was almost sacrilegious. You dig a like people who grew up in church they go into funk and rb away so i used to have to listen to my stuff real low at night but i have the day. We had transistor radios. I have it under the pillow. And i used to hear all these cats man. You know george woods and back then you know. It wasn't like if he does a record. And kenny gamble. Told me this sometimes him enough with cut record and right up to the station and drop it on him and he played four times in a row. Because that's how you broke records back then so you know some growing up with jazz and the birth of army slight slight confession time. Yes sir and it's kind of weird. I'm i'm i'm your story in reverse so for all the principal lord tour stories. I've ever told about being punishment from princeton. Yeah parents yeah being all that actually prints wasn't i i mean. Prince was prevalent. But the very first time that my parents pulled an intervention on amir listening to secular salacious pop. Music was i- flimflam as my mom. You'll buy me the juicy fruit california as my mom giving juice no. That's that's lollipop everywhere. No i try to do on dad like that. Maybe did that weight then. You already asked mother so before they issue the your opponents joining then. I kinda snuff. I'd i'd older cousin that was sort of like an hot and we together in the mall. You know she probably to forty. She brought me a new york new york back. The plastic viewers lot. 'em it just in passing like a described the juicy for forty five quad thought. I was called then. I got caught with my punishment. Jed this is where. I don't know my dad's version of exercising out of but this is where she made. I like i could listen to nothing but coltrane for like a week later punishment and i was mad and you really really wasn't until i went to high school guy right right so all the knowledge that i had to impress chris mcbride all those cats. It was based on all the jazz today. Thanks to me. And i i. But i mean your. I know that the from the motown and gordon. They're like a lot of the funk. Brothers kind of looked down right jazz cats that look down on pop music and all right. Let's check real quick and you know get out the way but this is really not an art. That's that was real. But i mean where you're like to sneak. Listen to it. Was it just like they just started wasn't an art form or it was just like well like how they view james sound. James guide everywhere. I mean even in jazzed in a jazz setting if something about james the funk. It's that wasn't about the music that was about. You know you dna But i wanted you brought up juicy fruit. Can i give you store everything. Got a story telling me juicy fruit. But i brought it to the record company epic. They didn't want to release it. I had to argue that. You know you can lick me everywhere. Now that's now that's like tainting stuff but they didn't want to release it. They were afraid of the lyric that one line which ironically became the line. Everybody way to sing along with but they did not release it for daytime radio. They only released it for the midnight shows after one week that we're getting so many calls and this is one thing that i wanted to say when i wrote that the beat wasn't the main thing to me. It was what i was trying to do with the cords in the colors. And the melody and the inversions. So i'm tripping on. Oh yeah. I think we stumbled on something and the only thing i felt about that. And that was the last song a cut on it record. I was finished with the album. And some and i walked in and finish that night and there was a drum machine. The enjoyed lendrum. And i told you know i told the engineer puts that up to kick dum ticket ca. I said wow that and you say let's kartheiser. No i said i want to humanize technology. That technology makes 'cause something's exact. That's that's dragging me And especially as as as drummer. I wanted to lean a little bit so if you listen to. Their beat is slightly off on purpose. Because it feels human. But they didn't want to release it but they were forced to release it. I can't recall the someone told me a story. Someone very prominent is on juicy fruit and they told me the story like how many musicians were on juicy so when i know rhythm section. Oh wait a minute wait. We well rhythm section. Obviously was myself philip. Feel raymond jackson scholefield. Keyboards ramp keyboards. Bass raymond's base And drum machine so anal drummer and of course to why is lead on that record on juicy fruit freddie jackson. He's part of the. You know juicy to the brought freddie to sing i think he's on tucson's the first time i met him he's food and that might be the limit and when i did overdose. Okay you make me go back of the system david. Frank stated frank doubles the guitar bernie world. You know that bernie's on the juicy fruit album not long haul. Yeah yeah burning me. Burning way back. Bernie's on a stephanie. As i kept me if bernie. I hooked up. You know everybody all you know. And i use bernie on on stephanie mills out and we will so we were very tight But yeah david doodoo. Doodoo do guitar playing and i wanted him to double it with a sense sam. Okay and mick is playing on the bridge. Doo doo doo. Doo doo doo. Doo made really man. Like they're all star. Also so okay so with the system that was so with your jazz lineage. Yes sir and you make in your injury or professional record. Can you describe what what the atmosphere was like especially to make your entry on on the corner to which already hitting me loaded built. Okay yeah let me. Playing there see critically speaking on the corner is one of those records that epa time when released by miles davis it caused a major at similar to the civil war that hip hop had no hip hop hip hop heads have had civil wars over particular albums. Buy their favorites and which traditionalist sa- like no you gotta stick with the tradition and that was the star wars breath but what what happened is the time goes on the time goes on and you know for all those critics that said this is the whatever the worst piece of shit miles ever comes down. Beat's review of it was it was horrible then suddenly in thirty forty years another generation of critics come along and they proclaim this the best thing ever. So i want you to for me. What was what was your family's feelings of what miles was getting into and bringing you into jazz heads around your way. They're like oh that's not real jazz like what was the feeling what was going on. Well first of all the meat the me give you quickly this quick backdrop. How i joined miles came to new york in i was living in newark. Imama baraka asked me to come back and help the ken gibson campaign. That was the first black mayor of newark in nineteen seventy-one while i was here. I was here for two weeks and i got a call from mccoy tyner estimating record that was my first. I did about six albums mccoy. But then i was with freddie hubbard and miles came to hear me lou. Playing village van got and percussion. Yeah i mean. I was like yeah. You know what instrument. I didn't know because you but that that's where we're are in in in the jazz world. Gotcha got all that but I'm probably on about sixty albums. But i just. I came at the right moment farrell scientists and always gets we work so when i joined miles. He calls me for the first session. It's on the corner now. i was. I'd already done album called to one. Call kara eater which my uncle my uncles album. But i wrote all. He asked me to write. All the music. And i did my own record. Al cable line landed the blacks all. I've unguarded cousteau music. I walk in miles. I was infatuated. The world hated you. Right they say was the worst piece of shit and one of the reasons was. Miles was so fi here. Here's a cat plan wa wa on the trumpet i'm talking about nineteen seventy two man and Everywhere we played to vibes the audience which was like i never heard nothing like this and jazz critics. Who had a debate on. Its on youtube with one of the jazz critics stanley daily. Knock you out crying. Yes sometimes you get up there. But they had never been challenge. I was coming from that band. Had been through so much and we all had this. Because if you didn't have that miles every night you going somewhere where you don't know sometimes you going for another planet you might miss but when you hit you might be playing two hours man but in two hours dislike maybe fifteen fifteen minutes that you you want another planet man literally this was like and i know i'm getting misty with this dog. Oh yeah we this. Catman is the greatest that we ever produced and when he died man i cried like a baby man and and i still miss him missing more today for the wisdom that he dropped on me. I remember when i was. I was with him in. Seventy one was in europe. Keith on piano. Keyboards mean gary bartz. Alto endure chancellor on drums. Michael hinson base. Yes sir and i did. A solo used to close the show and man. You know when you play rocked standing. Oh and i'm walking. I'm pissing vinegar. Yes and this voice walks up. That wasn't shit. Mile said man look. Stop playing what you know. Stop playing what you don't know now. First of all how do i even navigate debt. What do you mean then. I figured it out. Stop using that same street to go where you're going use another avenue. There's different ways to go to the same destination and cliches are death traps musicians. No you know that like a singer. Let me hit this high note. Go no don't do that. So i had to learn to approach everything backwards. Don't do what you did. He also told me things like silences. Sound space everything. He said we had many talks because it was the father son thing to he said. If you've got ten possible notes for melody learn how to breathe. He said take the one note that implies the other night now all of this stuff. I apply years later. That apply implies the other night you don't have to use the abbreviation is the secret to the music. He said people talk in paragraphs they play in progress. He said no learn how to play in quotations was always curious as you. You're the first person i've ever met actually played with miles. Guess what was it about him that he seems to me. He was the greatest because he seemed like he may ban leaders like everyone that came out of his grew went on to do their own thing and start their own crew and become legends in their own right. What was it about him that you think that was able to shake people in that way. He was a cat sometimes. There's no verbal explanation. Some people of this that dude all over the world i was going to ask does he. Did he communicate a lot. Because the way that when. I watch those old mantra jazz festival videos and stuff the way that he's sort of walking amongst you guys. I feel like there's a communication going on that isn't words and see that's a great point now the other thing that he did you see any of those clips on youtube. Thank god for youtube because the new generation would never had a chance to see with the bullshit the critics when writing you to really what that music to the forefront for younger people he took me usually you know percussions. The handwriting was in the back. Maybe next to the drummer. If you notice all of the yield. I'm standing next to him. And ach communication was non verbal. I could finish the phrase. I knew where he would go and i remember one time. We played somewhere in one of reviews. Mazdas playing some jungle voodoo music when i was into year. He's right for the wrong reason. Who but a miles just always knew like sometimes you get into that music and you get lost. I remember one time we played we were in colorado and we had a set. The club was in the basement of the hotel. P- we play three hour. Set ends the honest to god truth. I experienced this. I felt limitation on the state. The thing became so organic. All we did was looking at everybody and when we finished we got on the elevator. Nobody said a word. Miles lay down on the floor. We all got off on different floors. Nobody said good night and we got to kind of. That's the kind of stuff man how would you. I don't know if this makes sense but there's no it makes it makes me to me. He was. He's notoriously known as the greatest talent scout in jazz history like he. He could see he knew he. He knew the gave you a deep thing. It gave you the canvas but he let you paint. Was that the first. The last time you had that feeling only turn as wanna take a moment out to say how happy i am to be a co host and part of quest love supreme. You know we've been doing our thing for a while now and having some really amazing guests and stories life story stories that you may have never heard stories that you may have heard but not told in the way that we tell these stories and i've seen firsthand that listening leads to change. At and t. 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But he also i remember when i ran into herbie and herbie yes in miles numbers and he said doom slash your question. How often jewelry host. And i said that's what i was going to ask. You know maybe count a few. And i was a stickler young man. We need to rehearse the steps he gave me that. Look he said motherfucker. I pay you to rehearse on stage every night civilian. Because i'm standpoint i'm really gotta understand. So you get on stage. He starts plan then. What no we knew. We had just what i call fibers. There were teams. And we like black satin. Dd two-deep do db he would just start these fibers and we just go okay. And what he meant by. I pay you to rehearse every night. He said i never went to overcook the meal. And you start getting up. You don't want to get it to perfect man who wrote again. You stop working at little things that you know work no no. I don't want that. He didn't want to never heard steve. There's no comeback for that. Jim i gave. but okay. So the sessions that wound up being the on the corner album which kind of bled into three or four albums certainly or surely there were a or b moment guys will remember in repeat those phrases or toya like how would you start a song and the song and that sort of he would play a phrase after a while like i said when something becomes so is just a collective orgasm he would play something and we knew where it was supposed to go and it was time to end it. He will step in place. Something to lead into the next thematic fiber we knew the themes where that thing went that that was that was journey. Also founded Not ironic were almost full. Circle that the core of the musicians that made On the corner making the most envelope pushing radical jazz music ever turned around and wound up writing the most lush pop digestible. Was it almost therapeutic that the pendulum hatha come on the other side of things. I never thought of it that way. Was it all included. Lenny white herbie hancock all miles greatest decides you know that was also that period. Don't forget george duke. don't forget stanley car. We were all playing jazz. It was it was a generational shift. Now the one thing. I always tell people if you change because you trying to be with the times s adaptation if you change because emotionally you committed to change. That's metamorphosis so we all metamorphosis for us but maybe it was a little therapeutic. We couldn't go no further out. I guess you had to bring it back. Yeah but i remember for me. Start with the closer. I get to you and i was gone that way. And then my bridge was eddie henderson. Great jazz trumpeter. Hit by national people. Think about our laugh. I say juicy. Food is one of the grandparents of hip hop but eddie henderson. My first sample was actually jay z. Inside you which was a reasonable doubt. Coming of age to do a showed profound. I think he wanted to move. Dc needs to was my my i would. I would do albums with me. Always asked me for two songs. And that's why develop what i call one thing. I tell songwriters first thing you need to make sure you tap into is. What is your rhythm. Some people right great balance some people right up temple find your temple. I because when you find your temple you don't have to write the other shit you know what you're good at that eliminates experimenting and i knew i saw. That's beautiful. yeah but it's it's for for that particular project who who was the who were the musicians that were which was product or for the for the eddie henderson stuff. Okay inside you. That's me and patrice wrestling playing keyboards. I think i'm playing roads your screen role. of course. i'm playing acoustic Oh my god herbie hancock's bass player. That's jackson is less. Paul jackson paul jessen jackson. It was herbie's drummer. I forgot his name. I should know this right off. People my point was that dream. He's on the to head on this. Yeah yeah and And that was it because it was. It was two keyboards and we just overdubbed. Strings and horns Eddie forgot. Who's trombone billy higgins to also jumping guys right higgins. No i played with billy with my father but okay not that i know that. He plead with No no no no. I'm thinking henderson. I'm thinking your former project. So damn we're just going to be. So how did you. I was what. I'm trying to get to what i'm trying to get to was. That was there because the thing the thing that coincides with you guys to pop music was that from a monetary standpoint it was also very lucrative. And that's that's one of the midst of this bill. Because i know that a lot of the downbeat critics were saying that oh miles playing with the grateful dead and do all this stuff like. He's trying to make some money like forget the art but if you listen to music there's really nothing that emerged about it. It's just about it so you know. Was it a thing of like okay. Well it's time for us to get paid and did you produce the entire blue lights in the basement now. No that one song story behind every everyone. We're doing that album bill. Quite frankly i was like you know we had a dinner break. I have been working on these changes deemed plea. Bdb booby so we take this break. And so reggie's they're as ready slate. So we i played for him and then he put the be sexy. Put be such an over and over. I'm recording it when the cats come back. I just wanna make a cassette. I had no name for the song we played it. I'm making the cassette. Roberta walks in and said what's that i said. Close i get to you. That was just off the. Don't nothing and i'm like she says. Can i record it. I'm like yes shit. Karachi is a key. Yes any we cut it that night. Originally she did it and then after thinking about it. Her donny hadn't done anything in years. Tiny comes in. But i want to get to that point. You're talking about the bread Like i said if you do something because you just want to adapt for that. That's not real. You ain't from here. I was avangard acoustic because it was from here. It was metamorphosis. That's why i wanted to go. And it was not looked positively from the jazz cats. i. I had one cat. Walk up to me. A mega millions name famous bass player. Think go man. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. You play this music you know you know massive but you know one thing. Say one thing that you learned with miles. It's coverage because if you didn't have courage in net ban you'd have been snuffed under the stuff. They were writing about us and one another lesson. I learned from miles when you cross a bridge burning. So you can't even go bang chomping on like i'm i'm i'm interviewing you but then i got absorbed what you're saying. Biking shit like vernon service. Burn the ships because you can always look back if you don't even allow yourself to have a rear view mirror. You only look for go forward. Think about you think about that. Can we talk about the songwriting process from being jazz musician to pop musician because to me i was raised on and there's a complexity to harmonica or otherwise and then you go into pop and people assume that it's less so what's the transition. What's the metamorphosis. Their jazz how. I approached learning how to master complexity was the secret to pop music. Mastering simplicity you put it together is simplicity. Holy shit just all right. So i'm really glad you hear spellcheck didn't like that one. Go ahead. I'm glad you're here. Takes because the thing is is that as still believe that. Simplicity is the hardest. How do you think about that all the time. What who taught you that because even now like okay so the cats that i deal with an work with now who are pure jazz. Cats and i can't beat them over the head enough and tell them like yo. That's too much like good tone. It down a little bit and you know part of it is. They're their pride. If you will of like you know. I don't want to appear to be too simple to pop in and it's like okay. We let me the age of of the gospel chops era. You gotta show off your musicianship to let people know that you're serious but like who there to teach you these. This is the basic fiber of nobody. That's a hard thing to do you. Just you can't go from on the corner to the closer i get to you. Well yes you can add it. He did it but you know what getting back. Because i did not address what you said in this donald truth man. We never thought about money. That's sounds oh yes some bullshit. I know you're trying to master an art form and especially with jazz cats. We started started out. There wasn't a lot of respect for for. R&b now remember now. I saw tony williams. I studied elvin jones so all the value. Now are you kidding. Higher debt lives actually set. Right next to tony williams. When he was with miles. I was in the audience and it was like first time. I want to hear elvin jones. All this stuff for me is regurgitation and drummers especially did not respect two and four. They dismissed it as the hardest thing in the world man to bat. How keep that interesting to you for four or five minutes you can look you can always rely on to like i said detailer. Technique is is sometimes masturbation man. I'm a show you all this. And i'm into why again miles to stop talking playing in paragraphs silence. What's your quotation. What what am i taking like. I wish if that was if there was one thing that people learned from me or whatever like you know cats are always asking me. I try to put that out there and like it's harder to resist a day like you know i've been on a few gospel chop sites man of course loves said why you always hating all time. Is that sort of thing you know. But yeah. I wish that people could learn that lesson that you can get even further by playing less than i think that comes with age. Yes i'm old but that's like when you're young wisdom young you're insecure so you're doing audit shit because you really see what you have with the older you get you realize you got it so you don't gotta flaunt it makes it. How how was your. How long were you with miles from corner to win. Four and a half years and then from that point was that when you went into Well when i left miles well mile stopped. We were playing a gig this actually. I didn't finish the statement. Said was one of the things that we inept the casting band. We'll always lament. Herbie had head on his came out. It was like a tour national tours setup with miles and herbie we played two. Gigs malls got sick. Played upstate new york. And we played saint. Louis malle's got sick and that was the night that he stopped as it turned out it was gonna be five years mean reggie broke not broke but housing inc. plan. We went on and said okay. Let's do this. Michael henderson had established his solo career off a little bit where he was such a velvety singer or why he wants to see. Four second right. Micro hinson stevie. He was playing on all at motown stuff when he was fourteen. Here's what stevie i then he wanted but he was. He was the heir. Apparent to james jameson. Yes he was see. People don't know that michael henderson is playing on. Some of the tracks came out later on a cow man. They made his old alzheimer's a no. No no one of the greatest albums ever this is crazy. No no no what's going on. Okay michael plato. Some of the tracks that weren't released on original album. Okay came out years later. On the reissues. Michael henderson was listen. Listen to For those that are able to listen to what's what's the stevie live in There's version of. I was made to love her. And which i feel like. That's michael henderson's greatest. James jamerson michael mike. There's there's a live version of. I was made to love her. Top of the talk towns. It's listening to stevie talk of the town. Live album came out like sixty seven There's a version of. I was made to love her. That is like it's it's it's me it to me. It's the best live display of jamerson esque one finger playing ever. So did you know that he had that voice on him or no but no no no. That's bullshit did i remember. Michael came to buy room. We were in japan and Santana was there with me. Santana was talking to michael. Came in in Santana it's crazy man. Crazy santana was like to this day when carlos knives each other almost get teary santana loved mouse man and so the story michelson tunes. We french coming up. I want to play something for you. So i go up to his room and he pulls out his base. Dum dum doo doo doo. Doo are start singing. Oh god we will in japan. When he wrote that he was asked obviously years later. It comes out with the norman connors. And that's what launch michael's career as a solo artist. What was just as a philadelphian and me. Not ever seen any clip of norman connors whatsoever on youtube or anything. What was norman's as a drummer i mean. He's i know he was a drummer. Artem solo wants that song so in love like the middle on that album. But we're to he stand in the eyes of drummers you can tell the truth i don't know what sometimes silence more truthful there you go. Why did you never. Why did you choose. Traditional percussion as opposed to attract drum. Set to play touch me. I say this the three elements for creative process is intuition intellect in technique intuitions. I you don't know why you love the draft. You don't know why you want to sing. You don't know why you wanna paint. You don't wanna write poetry. It's intuitive intellect. What you get into this and you start getting a better understanding. Then you know why you drawn to it. Technique is where you sharpen your tools. Have time served much time you put in. I don't care what i'm hearing. I can't play it for you. So intuition intellect technique. Okay my my my last sort of series jazz question before we go into your your your your your your second phase of your Always wanted to know okay. So since miles was was pushing the envelope and whatever look there was no look but when he stopped playing in nineteen seventy-five. There's there's always been this debate. And you know because you brought up stanley crowds and i know that a lot of jazz knob snobs kind of kind of scoffed. At stanley for endorsing winston. And the whole go back to one thousand nine hundred forty six. Be bottom sort of thing. What were your feelings on like. The you know like the the david murray's the im- base the kind of the first generation three post miles of pushing that envelope. Because i know that those cats felt like damn like it was our turn to get the baton next and then crowds comes in and you know they put witton suit and then suddenly he puffy us back to back to nineteen fifty. Would be bottling. Not taking him for it. And i know that you know all due respect i i understand that winton is a traditionalist and i do believe that there should be whatever torchbearers for whatever people feel that are passionate about their era. Like i'd be lying to you if i say that you know. My era of eighty eight to ninety nine era hip hop wasn't my you know what i'll i'll tell you right but i mean what was your feeling. As far as the the pushing the envelope era of jazz sorta got white or or washed or whitewashed away. Where win took it in the eighties. And here's here's what. I felt a great question. Tracing paper You know you just put the tracing paper over something and you. Just what's new about it. What was the main thing in jazz. Co-chair by pushing that envelope. You just plan and i'm not just talking dogging and i'm just saying a whole generation. Let's play like we. Nineteen sixty four and this is hip. That's not hip to me. Because it's been already. I don't care that you can play train solo and giant steps. Who's for you. That's train this. This one of the heavily in the jazz world like this is one of the most heavily debated arguments and the thing is is that i feel like i'm in the middle because because of my age you remember the year that michael jackson won all those grammy's eighty three eighty four well subsequently went and was also pulling that feet. He won't like five grammys to for classical three for jazz. And there's a point where i think in eighty four. My dad was going to ease up on the whole. You gotta rehearse five hours a day thing like okay. He's getting older. He wants to play video. Games taught the girls to hang the ball he was going to start lacks in a little bit and then went and got on stage and says look that i really just want to thank you for making me practice ten hours. He doubled my. How would you do seven hours in that. Like but the thing was is that you know to eight off the yeah but to to a thirteen year old nigerian. Not knowing better. It's you know. I mean there wasn't a jazz snob in my life until rich came along when he was when i was like twenty three man fuck went and like he took it back then. He wasn't pressing the envelope. So i think isn't it also important for people to know absolutely because without win i would've known about king oliver and louis in but that's when jazz started coming out of college. His brother that was the beginning of i gotta go. I'm going to study says university and landed in the club living man. Why do we still listen to kind of blew my house with the juilliard in the forties and he said somebody went a couple of months. I'm hanging out on fifty second street with boden dizzy. When jazz started coming out of universities. That's when this ship was everybody could play the same study this solo play every note in his will. That's not creative to me. So as bradford looked at as kind of like the end no he's different right. Like i mean that way bucks. The funk like step. I'm not against studying. I'm self totally self taught. I don't recommend it well. Yeah i was very fortunate Because i went from playing to writing putting the band together then scoring film and television. New york undercover. Yeah we're gonna get again. But what do you bring into it if you not bring again. I'm not castigating. Cats came out of college. But just because you come out of college and then the colleges started hiring. My fathers taught at queens college man for twenty years. Same thing is happening. They started hiring all the jazz head. Coach i'm sorry with me i was gonna say so. Win was the beginning of that. And i'm not dogging him but i'm saying stop saying that you are the torchbearer. I'm not interested in a torch. I've already burned that bridge. There you go before you get into the pop. I'm just curious about. Are you about to skip the line. The line i'm going back. I was gonna go back real quick because jammed them to may was not always jammed him too so i just wanted to know what happened in your life into causes change in because it's an an activist side of you as well. There's a whole spiritual. No i'm not i'm gonna come right. Oh okay but always since. I was eighteen since she was eighteen. So then the part. Well wait since you said that. How can you describe such a vivid terms of of of of that. That music orgasm that you had with malls such a spiritual experience at away ambient atheist. I'm just curious as to like none of that was spiritual to you or atheists can't be spiritual can be spur. Can't you can be spiritual no religion but spiritual. This is a whole separate thing. I didn't realize it devoid of spirit. Here's west started new fight. But i was eighteen met religion one day. I woke up when i was older. And i said wait a minute. You can't dog religion and you claim natives. I said they can't prove that. God exists to me but i can't prove that it doesn't and i learned to disrespect religion. Whatever you need to get this thing man. So i respect words spiritual and all that i'm just said but i need to be intellectually honest stuff coming out of my mouth. You might think. I'm religious. Saying knows that so. I don't know what you call it. I just know what i know. 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Apply have you ever noticed how some people always seem to have the best luck. I have this friend right. He goes on a dating app once he meets a woman. She's the love of his life. He marries her in three weeks. Fast flash forward like a year or two later they have a kid and there you go happily ever after. That's not my life and it's probably not yours either but good thing shouldn't only favor a few. At and t. guests this so check this out. They're making a huge change and giving all their customers both new and existing the same great deals. I'm agean that all right so like i told you. This is big whether you've been with a t and t for years or you're just starting to think about switching visit. Att dot com backslash best deals to learn more restrictions apply. I've a question Before we leave the jazz world gatto. So yeah i mean talking about miles and i've recently sort of realized the what gatto broad and can you just speak. Don't think a lot of people know about him all right so i'm sitting in her. Come a to come in and make the session with got. I'd heard of gatto at her stuff. But i kind of equated it came out. He was coming out of pharaoh scientists and i had already played with several but i remember when i went to the session when i walked in. These aren't be cats. this pretty purdie. I think every gale and cornell duprey. And i walked in because at that time. Ralph macdonald was the percussion all of sessions. I'm like i'm coming out jazz. So i walked in and it was like i got a little cold. I didn't mind. I'm setting up walking everybody's like this. Get an herb walks out from the control booth tombs and we hug and then you know obviously everything loosened up and it was essentially forgotten right after the session got to his wife she was more like the business whereas you came to miss it got dog wanted to know. Would you be if you have some time. You make you know this tour. And i said sure so. I ended up doing about two or three albums with gatto. An toward william and we really cool. That was herb alpert. Yeah that that was. That was the later. Maybe then these these other ones like these flying. Dutchman bob feel oh so like you know. I mean i know that that was like a time when lapuma thing you're talking about one hundred is producing it. Now you about flying desmond i got. Please allow me. I got to say it right. Like i said whilst right here i actually recorded with do a flying flying flying dutchman admit duke nine hundred seventy one or that i to talk with miles it was miles davis it was george. Lean to a few miles. Davis rozan ronco johannesen freddie hubbard. Bb king right. Jesus i remember one night. Okay god's taking me take us back. Man i get to. I get to the concert early one night some sitting in the room. You know. big dressing room door flies open. I look at duke ellington. I'm late and you know. I didn't i didn't know what to say other than alexan- you know he said son i like i like what you're doing. I heard you want the other night. And i remember i was so awestruck statement mr allenton tell me what type of music is the best. He said he said good last. There's only two types of music good embed not genre now. Here's a funny story. One night. I missed the bus going back to the hotel so i catch a ride with the duke ellington ban because they're bus latest. I caught so. I'm sitting on this bus. All these cats man. Harry carney paul gonzalez and i think we a couple of months into the tour and i was fried. Been one night as man. So i was sitting next to paul gonzalez. He said you know. I said you said you look a little tired man. I'm worn out. He said ma along. You know. I seem good addie. Almost two months is a yo because low pokemon before we work three hundred and forty days a year for the last forty years. God i got a ride back to the hotel and they just fell out laughing like doing. Why is that asia. Now while i'm thinking. I got to tell you this i'm with i'm over. Miles is house member. I was telling you the story coming over sma nephew. Give a mobile mazdas house. Were nightmare. one day. The mail comes in one miles one thing. Miles is a great cook so sometimes he just called me. Come on over fix. You know. I mean hell of a cook so come there. He gets the mail. I'm not looking at him a little over a side of the room and he says oh shit and i thought something happened so i said what's up bro. He's hands me mail. It was a christmas card from duke. Ellington wow but it was in the spring mile said. Is this the hippie sheet jefferson. I do is dying dukes. All his cats christmas cards. Rather i can't i can't make this up. I can't make that up and that's things about jazz. Cats just christmas. I'm splitting. equipments is a quantum card. Don't get fun. I monte thank you as an old man and if i keep running. You're on the show without amir. So i i was. I went out to california to go to school swimmer. Get into that. My father you know one day he came told me i'm going to nba. He said you will never be tall. My whole okay. So he's got meet my brother and myself swimming and i swam for vesper boat club. Oh yeah in philly. The movie that the movie. I'm listen and on all that's no. That's recreation parks woman. I was a you. Those are two different things you know what i did. Not like. They had cats in the movie. That couldn't even swim. It's like a movie and basketball and cats spike lee moment. Smugly said that. Oh yeah yeah. So i go out. This is sixty six. This is like you know. The world was changing young young whites blacks latinos and this is a year. Go out to the after the watch revoke so that summer. Having the watt summer festival. And i go to the watts cafe and it was. Excuse me stokely carmichael back. Then ron wrangler malani A couple of you know just. I'd never heard that language. Well i did hear that language. When i was fourteen my father took me and my brother. Here malcolm x. opened up for lodging muhammad. Wow nine thousand nine hundred sixty two. I think i was fourteen and had never i mean i was. You know we came home from shirts and he said don't because my thing after choke this is coming off. I'm gonna play ball. He said no. Keep you sue tour. And i was like oh man we gotta go to you know. They have sunday dinner. I was drunk driving. And i looked over tonight. Mohammed minister malcolm x. I saw both of them that night. That was the beginning of my. Wow i'm sorry go back sixty six. I know it's all good. Yes so i joined us organization which is marijuana correct and You know we we change our names but you know that was like the first wave going. There was arabic name but we started talking about africa named healy. And he asked what you felt you. Quality was that's necessary name is baseball. so that's it. I think i'm supposed to bring something. And he said you feel like a message. Well not literally you know. He said no empty may. And that's what it means messenger Which i hope it to the music. Wow we going through this the whole. I wish we're recording this so forty years later. You know the story of cortez chains and people look at it differently. I mean the store we. We argued in this room about the story of kwanza and come into bill. I i think the first climate i think was celebrating in sixty six. I wasn't it was just a few people. The organization began to kick in because it started to bring all college students coming in. Okay so my first qantas's the next year sixty seven it's about maybe thirty of us up in somebody's apartment and everybody's doing crazy trying to replace christmas and then look let me make this clear. Kwanza had nothing to do with religion. Talk about it was a cultural talker. Now let me deal with what's happened to it. People who don't even know what about kwanza they want to destroy it. We didn't ask for cleanse. We made it. And that's one of the difference. Between and like martin. Luther king like to ask people jews on ask them. We have rosh hashanah. Chinese don't have chinese new year. Do it in self determination. But they try to rewrite it now and you'll krankl with prison for well for created christmas. Oh i don't know who says it was the stablishment of a black holiday. That's open for anybody you can be do. You can be catholic. Don't matter and that's what people didn't know. And then people started writing what they thought. It was as the danger of thought. That's and this the. I'm so happy you're right boy got were. We have the drunken christmas episode. Remind all of us to shut up the message from the message. Okay look we get to epic records allah whatever your solo stuff like the theater to mind over. Remember this moment happy. How do we okay. I'm lying because you drop pharaoh. Sanders names twice ken. I'm like if you're orrin created hasn't met him being okay. That's when i first saw phero. Okay but i played with lonnie. Listen okay to feral. First time i was van got it was favourable. Jabali billy hart drums. Lonnie listen cease. Mcbeal base was the on. Thomas say i was my last in yang thomas. I sat there that. I'd never heard nothing like that in my life and the creator has master plan. Just come out immobile. Baraka turned me onto it. And i found that they vanguard shot over there. I sat there all night mesmerized. I've never heard nothing like that. And that was the beginning of that period of jazzing. Now i was into mccoy the first time. I heard train mccoy's so i played like i said about six albums mccoy. Man i don't. I don't wanna keep repeating that and i'm sorry mccoy albums icon milestone like in the early seventies man the label on type it up on youtube. I can't remember the label man that he was drought at. Ucf no no no. I was a little stranded. Mccoy's was was milestone around around. That time was milestone monster. The song album. Yeah that albums off my lady. You're on that breath. I hear you say so here. I can't remember them. You are discussed dot com now. Let's see him records no more questions but you know we're going to go back to it Yeah so what brought you to was it. Arnold there at the on. Who brought you to Sony or back than cbs. Okay well with reggina very looking at our partners and and why stay together. Why did you guys decide. Let's partner up and be a success. Yeah i mean. I don't mean monetary. I mean you know shing music. We very proud of music. We were doing. What was the division of labor between you. two in terms of writing in saito's they don't know. I don't do that because that gets into like. Who did the music the lyrics. Oh really we're we're actually at already said folks. I said i was working on these core so we shared depends on his own. Yeah well we bought nece to hearts by stephanie. Which is one of my favorites. Actually we call wrote debt with twelve. Twenty eight okay. Dams interesting cause me into while we were just talking about this the other day for those. That don't know why age was a lead singer in the may ban both versions. And i don't remember how it became a duet. We didn't write it as a duet. I don't even know. Shep gordon probably over. Those were his clients. No way okay. There's a story here shepstone. So ship is managing stephanie. Me step mitch get cool. Probably i think that's how can this study so we're recording to hearts teddy comes in up sigma in new york So i'm putting on doo doo doo doo. Two because i always liked little melodic hooks in in our songs. I put were juicy. Do just little things you know something about you. Know how to love me. Yeah and So teddy submitted tunes i love. I want to work what you meant so we just kicking. I get a call from kenny gamble and ship. Ship said men look. Can you invest. Come down we want to have a meeting in philly is a million leon. Huff in the chip. So we've you know we've set a date. We roll down kennedy says. Look man. I want you do half for the next teddy paragraphs out. It'd be gambling one side a into lucas abby. Shit this i mean just the and this is after periods is. What was the last jedi album before a for the crash. Anyone exactly before the crash this after. Obviously he's a silver album cover. It's after it's after two hearts. So i'm like oh man teddy. Has the accident maybe about three weeks later so it is something that never never happened but really was i going with that. The next album was going to be an i want to say something like gamble and huff was my inspirations kenny. Kenny is one of my best friends in the music. I i met kenny on the phone. In one thousand nine hundred sixty eight. I was heading up getting entertainment together for the watson festival. I'm calling all over. Everybody motel try to get somebody donate some artists. I said man. What's his cat in philly man. I call billion national. I mean. la. Can i speak to kenny. I mean i'm call and she said whose asking my name's to may. I went for the what some festival. We're trying to get talent. She said hold on about thirty seconds later can picks up. I'm like oh it was that easy. We talked he sent out the intruders. Melvin and somebody of to la to perform it to what some for nothing he pay them. Well we played for the transportation but disservices three. So that's when he and i i i wasn't even write music then and didn't even from philly. No no no. He's from south philly so we haven't is meeting and i've never forget. Look leon. huff is the most so kenny. Sam it was beautiful. He said this way we working. You can lean on us and we can lean on you. Huff has not said nothing for like an hour and a half Why this quest. He says no he said no leaving and i went back to the studio and wrote that on the wall. That was one of the rules. No leaning he said one thing an hour and a half but it was so impactful. Okay now mark the break my own rule going back to the thing is like what's what's the chances of us actually having someone that was like actively in in there for the watch right like to got this year after. Oh yeah we get all. Y'all that wraps up part. One of our interview seems to me. Come back next weekend. We'll talk to james status worth but seventy his. Hyman is also sampling score in the ninety seven. Tv drama new york undercover angrily. Gray donny hathaway until vincit got mixed supremo for sampling of james. Were davis sonny rollins. oj's Roberta flack allow mary. J. blige plus a recent hits that sampled this song so stay tuned for next week's episode. Thanks for tuning in. 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Episode 167 - Nile Rodgers and Merck Mercuriadis (live)

Sodajerker On Songwriting

55:27 min | 1 year ago

Episode 167 - Nile Rodgers and Merck Mercuriadis (live)

"The. Evening everyone. Warm Welcome and Simon Barbara. This is my co host Brian. O'connor together we are. So the Jerker we welcome you to the Queen Elizabeth Hall this Very Special Podcast Recording of Soda Jerker on Racing in association with meltdown. We did ask for a big room this will have to suffice. In case you're unaware we began the so the Jacob podcast in our hometown of Liverpool in twenty eleven, and since then we've accumulated. Represents And since then we've accumulated over a hundred fifty interviews with weld around song races. Some of our past guests include Paul McCartney Paul Simon, Alicia Keys Diane Warren Johnny Ma and one of the gentlemen be. Evening. Gentleman is a songwriter composer guitarist and record producer who sold five, hundred, million albums and seventy five million singles that was some car boot. He's the chairman of the sunrises hall of fame, Inductee of the rock and Roll Hall of fame and a multiple grammy winner. There are numerous or the plaudits book we only have an hour. With. His late musical onto Benard Edwards, he helped forge sleek sophisticated this go funk blueprints in the form of Sheikh and his glittering recording and production career encompasses favored Bowie sister sledge, Donna Diana, Ross, Carly Simon Duran Duran monk name, but a few. Last. Year he was appointed chief creative advisor at the legendary Abbey Road Studios in London, and the also happens to be the curator of this year's meltdown festival. You may have noticed also joining us is his longtime manager, one of the most successful music executives and entrepreneurs of all time and the Creator and founder of the hypnosis songs unlimited, which since it began in twenty seventy, there's raised over five hundred, million dollars in investment capital is listed. On. The London Stock Exchange and it's quiet the copyrights number of hit songs by the likes of beyond say Reenter Justin Bieber Kanye West and song catalogs of songwriters like Jamie Scott the dream. They've students and would as well as that he's been a leading figure in music management for over three decades looking after such artists as beyond say sir. Elton John Guns and roses pet shop boys and Mary J. Blige and those just the obscure ones. We are super excited to have the opportunity to pick the enormous brains of these two industry giants this evening. So let's not waste another moment. Let's get them the hell on stage. Please give the warmest of southbank welcomes two Nile Rodgers UNMIK curiosities. Top that intro. Wow or not topic, but live up to. Merck thank you for joining us. On the success of meltdown so far to follow for it is yeah, we we'd stop I ask ago. We thought we'd stop asking how you guys actually met and John Wick together. I was very young. I had a lot of hair. And, we'd like this same video game. Ninja Dan yet or halo or Halo. We were friends for a long time and Nile had got into, which is something that are really a lot of people know about. But some of the greatest video games of all time are scored by now Rogers. Including Halo which is Microsoft and Bundy's biggest. Franchise it's okay. I'm proud of that. and. Our relationship really is one that starts and ends with songs and starts and ends with an incredible enthusiasm for music. So even right now up to this, very moment will end the night by talking about a record. We'll start tomorrow by talking about someone song or someone's record and normally would not critical. Normally we're enthusiasts but every once in a while we can be little bitches as well. Fan Back, in the day when. I'm a massive fan actually funny enough I bought dance dance dance the day that it came out and I hated. I hated the Yau's Yasser Yasser. Right. But I found myself despite being punk rock kid listening to clash records and things like that. I kept going back to this record over and over and over again even though I hated the. House apart, because the guitar was fucking unbelievable, the base was unbelievable. The playing was unbelievable and at the end of the day it was incredible song. Tao Hook though. That hook almost got in the way of the very beautiful relationship. and. Why is it? Do you think that you guys makes what you could seem? How'd you compliments each other? It's definitely because of our love of songs are love of musicianship. We can go on and on and on about different albums that we like different artists that we like their perspective on the world and the way that they express themselves through music. I mean mark and I are. All we do is talk music all day long the fact that we're in the business of music together is. Probably one of the most natural relationships I could have imagined because this no record that I could talk about that. He doesn't know something about I, mean it could be the wack years most avangard ridiculous because even the musicians themselves would say, you know I woke up this morning and I wrote some ridiculous ship. But I decided to record it after all what the hell. You know. So we know and love some of those ridiculous recordings and have incredible appreciation for the art of making records and making music. We were trying to explain kweskin in the jug band. Gopher last night. It's funny 'cause it started talking about Maria mold our because we couldn't believe that she was the original singer of exemption Kweskin, Judd Band like wow Maria mode our if you don't know her right away, she had a hit record called midnight at the. But before that season. Judge Dan by the way, I would sing midnight at the oasis for you but that would make the room run a mile. And I would definitely not seeing any JIM questions. Because then you would know how much of an acid had I was but. For for me, you know I can't play the guitar I can't sing a song but I'm obsessed with music and I'm obsessed with the creative process. So the only thing that gives me a seat at the table with great people like Nihil is. A knowing my shit, and then be using that as a way to advocate and protect and communicate on behalf of artists so that the artist side of the equation is always winning because we work in an industry where everything is weighted against the artist and even though the artist is creating ultimately what it is that the consumer wants and that the consumers consuming. The artist is getting the smallest piece of that. And it takes people like myself to. Make a difference in them. Is An excise impassive you'll work getting to observe Nile in action say Nabi Road for instance where he is currently doing a Lotta work. Every day is incredible. We are, but you know we we pinch each other sometimes make sure that it's real. You know yesterday we were with Andrew Lloyd Webber and you know were going through and were helping Andrew figure out how to make some of the greatest songs of all time appropriate for today's fourteen year olds and a we go. We didn't know that was going to be part of our agenda this week and we have a pretty good idea what we're going to be doing next week but I guarantee you. As ING will end and our lap and my wife will have to figure out why we're not going to the west and. Made great waves in the industry last year when you're. Hypnosis Song Fund began trading on the London Stock Exchange can you explain what that venture is and where the idea came from? So again, this this is. Out of the riffing. The goes back and forth between Nile. About our obsession with music and you know the, the one thing that we realize that Niles career is a testament to is that proven songs hit songs are predictable and reliable and therefore investable. So we decided to take that idea to the financial community and we created this fund, which as you pointed out his raised over five, hundred, million dollars, half a billion dollars and that's invested now. And ultimately, what we sort of put forward to these people as these predictable reliable assets are exactly that there are new asset class and they're better than golden oil because if Donald Trump wakes up tomorrow morning and does something crazy golden oil is affected. If brexit happens golden oil is affected whereas with great songs, you know when times challenging people escaping with great zones when times are amazing, people are celebrating with great songs. So music being consumed all the time and wanted to. Not. Just on our behalf, we like to make money like everyone does, but we wanted for the songwriting community to create this asset class and to get the financial community to look at songs as being something that had extraordinary value. It's important to understand also that music is now being consumed at a greater level than it's ever been consumed in history because streaming because of convenience because it's so easy to hear the weird stuff that we love. It makes us not only happier because we can consume this music, but it also shows that the value of it can only go up because as more people consume. Even if it just stayed the way it was you would do better, but we plan to make it a lot better and. Certainly a lot more profitable for the songwriter with our fun. I mentioned we like to make money like everyone does, but our fund has an alterior motive that is as important as the motive which is that we want to change where the songwriter sits in the economic equation. The songwriter is the low man or woman on the Totem Pole despite the fact that they're delivering the most important component to artist having a hit an artist having a career, the business that I came into thirty five years ago was one where you know the songwriter and the artist were one in the same. Now Rogers. Today most you know, ninety percent of the artists that are being signed are very talented kids that ultimately have one endgame. How do I get famous and it doesn't matter who song this singing it doesn't matter whether it comes from TV talent competition or from social media. So. If your you know Zara Larsson and you have access to hit songs, you're at the top of the charts if your iggy Azalea in five years ago, you had the biggest song in the world with a song called fancy. But for whatever reason you no longer have access to hit songs you're nowhere. So the songwriter is delivering the most important component yet he or she are the no man or woman on the. Totem. Pole and this is because there's been a seventy five year paradigm where the likes of universal wondering. Sony. As the three biggest song companies in the world can advocate for songwriters because they're owned by Universal Warner and Sony the three biggest. Recorded music companies in the world and on the recorded music side of the business, you've got four fifths of the money. You've got a bloody great margin and in general, they own those assets perpetuity in on the song side of the business you've got one fifth of the money going that way you've got a tiny margin in relative terms and quite rightly whether it's reversions whether it's through renegotiations or whether it's just through smart deal making in the first place, the songs end up back in the hands of the people that created them. So the Universals, the warriors, Sony's at a point in time when the businesses improving as it is right now thanks to streaming. Use their leverage of recorded music owning songs to push that improvement towards rewarded music as opposed to the Creator's if there are no great songs there really is no music business. When I started, we used to go to concerts to hear new music that was basically the even if it was somebody as famous as the Jackson five that would have a huge catalog, but there's show would be sure you'd hear those hits eventually but they're show would be the new music that they were working on to figure out. Is it going to come out on the next album or it's on their current album but you just haven't bought the new album yet because you're only listening to the single so you basically. Only knew half the songs in the show that was entertainment that was show business in those days because you had to go on stage and groove yourself worthy of a person buying your music Now, it's very different because you can hear the music free anytime you want and it's of created a different kind of audience in that the people are expecting to hear hits that they know. So when Murk and I I started talking about this, we were saying that by concentrating on the songs that are proven hit records that you know that those are the songs that the audiences coming to see those are the songs that advertisers would use to promote and sell their products those are going to be. At the top of the food chain, those are the songs that are going to be out there generating most of the income and it's actually always been like that. That's what we used to talk about back in the day when we talking about the black box royalties and how it was always that money would somehow get funneled to all the people at the biggest hit records in the world because it was a lot easier to figure that out because they were at the top of the food chain. If you have a system like we do now where where you're going through streaming and we can tell what those numbers are almost instantly the whole paradigm shift has to happen and it's easier to. Be More fair and to have an equitable distribution of assets. I mean it's like I. When I first started, you were able to make a really good living with just records that were marginal hits. You didn't have to have the number one record in the world you could just be in the top forty and do really well, but the world has changed now imagine with streaming if we run into each other in the streets five years ago, we wouldn't be able to look at each other and say that the best days of the music industry are in front of it. We would definitely be saying that the best music industry were behind it. Now, the glory days are yet to come we've got. Two years ago, we had fifty million paid subscribers to music streaming services. Today we have two hundred, million likes of J., P. Morgan and Goldman. Sachs. Predict as many as two billion by twenty thirty. So we're talking to a business that has grown by four times in the last two years and it's going to grow by ten times in the next ten years, which is why you have something like a little nausea sets, which is a record that gets made for a few hundred dollars. That's eighteen. Weeks at number one because you know the proposition is different today the proposition at one point in our careers was, how do you get that person to put their hand in the pocket and pull out some cash and buy your record right now, the proposition is that person's already paying ten dollars a month of the ten pounds a month for the streaming services how do you get them to push play on your record right and it's totally different right where buying their time in their attention now. He's specific things that you guys doing us hypnosis to help those Catholics reach their fullest potential. Well, the key is that we believe in this particular bugbear for me I I want to eradicate word publishing from the vernacular of the music business I. Think it's an offensive word I think that it's a euphemism for someone writes you a check and ads absolutely no value to what you're doing in part of the problem is that you have these massive companies that have twenty thousand songs for every creative person working for them in the entire world. Part of our thinking is that by buying proven songs, we've now spent as we mentioned half a billion dollars, we own five thousand songs right over two thousand of those five thousand songs number one records over four thousand of those five thousand songs are top forty records and fourteen people that are working those songs. Some of them are in the audience tonight. So we have a couple of hundred. Songs, per person even when you know we've grown to a billion, a billion and a half two, billion, three billion. We will still have at that point something around twenty thousand songs. So we'll have twenty thousand songs that probably at that point spread across thirty to forty people as opposed to the twenty thousand songs per person. So what we do is what we call Song Management as opposed to publishing. Talked about the responsibility that I have not only in Managing Nile. But any artists that I've ever worked with responsibility that I take very seriously because I understand that you know the only thing that gives me a seat at the table with great people like Nile is taking that responsibility seriously is getting the job done but I also understand that if I don't that there are ramifications because there are. People that he's responsible to. So if I let him down, he's letting other people down in that won't happen on my watch but I also feel that same responsibility to the songs these songs of saved my life these songs make it worth me getting up out of bed every day they energize me they excite me the difference between jumping off the roof and feeling like you can take the world on. Energy is what I'm trying to say and I don't see why we shouldn't have that same responsibility to the songs that I have to Nile or that I have to my family right and you can't do that. When you have twenty thousand songs for every creative person that you have working for you in the world, you can do it if it's a manageable number of songs and if you're prepared to be responsible to them. Well. Arguably, the the jewel in the hypnosis crown is the at the she, Hogan Ization. Contained some of the most successful and enduring songs in history I would say. The argument from me. Nile did you have any sense when you Benard right in these songs that they become so valuable in stand the test of time and the way they have. We certainly weren't futurist. We were just trying to survive. We were writing songs that we felt move us and that would get added to the radio because we were clever enough to right now. because. We knew we knew how We basically had an idea we were close to a lot of people who were radio programmers. Early our friends on a musical level. We knew who they were and we have some idea of how they did their jobs. The more time you spend around news business people the more you start to learn how the music business functions. So we had a feeling that if you look at the statistics and you see that most of the music is consumed by younger people. Why would you get an older person to be your sort of sounding board? What you would do is if you're GONNA come up with new music, you want to play it for younger people who are the people who get excited about hearing something new. So we knew that if we could capture people's attention at the beginning of a song or or have something memorable when the program director would be asking their teenage kids usually, what's should I add? They would think of the thing that was memorable. When it goes. To. Freak out or Or whatever. That's why when we first started I used to call ourselves a novelty band and it was not because we were really a novelty band. We actually thought we were just another are NBC Ban Soul Band but we knew that we had to have hits and because the people that we idolize were mainly jazz musicians that were starting to get hit records Herbie. Hancock. Joe Beck. Norman Connors people like that and we're like man. That they were writing hooky catchy songs that were being played at these joints called discotheques and we were like, wow, this is awesome. This underground groove music is making stars on. People. Herbie Hancock so we tried to. Follow in their footsteps. That's why the very first song I have a road was more of a jazz kind of competition called everybody dance the only thing that made it sort of pop and find was the fact that the melody was. So ridiculously simple everybody Dan's Doodoo clap your hands clap your in but the court changes are straight up jazz chord changes. So that was our ticket we've found a formula that made us feel like we could hold our heads high because at the essence, the foundation cool jazz chords and virtuosity of the playing. Even if we did say. Cow? Also we use it. We're GONNA live there. Really beating the source. Know but the truth is, is that there was actually a formula to it was it was well thought out Bernard Ni- were incredibly romantic about the jazz age in Jazz era and we thought it was amazing that some of the greatest compositions in America were done during the great. Depression. When people felt the worse the happiest songs came out. So when you listen to the lyrics of songs, you could hear we were copying those songs. We were paying homage and tribute to songs like happy days. High. Hand. Out So good times goes happy days are here again, you know the time is right for making it was going to say my feet keep dancing tap dancing brave. Nicholas. Brothers. The Real Nicholas Brothers are tap dancing on our record You punish it with Benard that was always fascinated me and Brian I. Mean We. Went to school together. So we used to rifle RECCO pins in Liverpool looking for records that set the Chic Organization on it. You know we were fascinated by this idea he said company what is it? dudes. We we work with. From a song creation point of view. From. Pooh bear to Teddy Geiger to Benny. Blanco. We work with the finest songwriters in the world and everyone has that fascination that you're talking about with the chic. Organization and the way that these records were made because they still sound like you know even though they were made forty years ago, they still sound like two thousand and twenty, one, not nine, hundred, seventy, seven, one, thousand. Nine, hundred, seventy nine, and we were having this discussion earlier we did this study a couple of years ago where the interpolations in the samples of Nile Bernard's records are successful as the original records word just to put that in context the freak is the biggest selling single in the history of Atlantic records but that's one of the greatest record companies ever that has everything from aretha Franklin. Charles to led Zeppelin to grow you know. And this is the biggest selling song in the history of the label. This is a label that started in one, thousand, nine, hundred, forty seven, and is obviously the heart of Warner music. Group today and yet the interpolations and the records that are made out of sampling that record and leading parts of it and other good times and everybody dance and Tell them the story of Soup for one now So after this event, call disco sucks happened in the summer of seventy nine. It's hard to believe that we actually had to number one pop singles in Nineteen, seventy, nine, two number ones. But after that event, we never ever got another top ten record ever again under the name of Sheikh and it was through the heartbreaking because spiritually and artistically we hadn't changed at all. Because the mood had changed so drastically so quickly and also maybe a lot of it had to do with the fact that it was now a new decade and it seems like every decade you have the responsibility to change you to become. Cooler. We made a decision to. Do something, and try and pursue a different style of music anyway. So we got soundtracks and I went into video games and all that Kinda stuff you know in the future. But when we did our first recording of soundtrack, it was four film called Soup for one and the film was so bad that it closed in two days. Honestly two days, it didn't even stay in a week. But what's really funny about it is that the soundtrack years later, the songs soup for one, the title Song was covered by a group called Macho and they turned it into a song called lady hear me tonight and that became a number one record all over the world, and then even like songs like my score from coming to America Snoop Dogg samples the part where the royal penises clean. Your is all sorts of different motifs that. I would right We're being repurpose different artists because I think that no matter what the medium is. I'm always trying to write music that touches your soul that's why I say she is a soul band we play. So music I want you to move I want you to dance I. Don't want you to just sit there and think about owes guys are really clever. Wants you feel it first and then start to analyze it later that's just what I believe in. It should be primal. And intellectual but the intellectual part comes later you start to tear it apart after you see fiction two or three times you go. Oh Shit I. OH Now. I get it. I don't need you to get it the first time as a matter of fact, if you get it the first time I feel weird. We purposely try and make it. Honestly. We try and have double entendre we wanted to be confusing some of my closest friends. Even people who are in cheek sometimes singing the wrong lyric. We teach them the song like I had a girl in the band for a while when we would say just come on down to fifty four in la freak she was seeing just come on down to the fifth floor. Even though the lyrics prior to that are telegraphing that you're in a nightclub about a new dance craze, Blah Blah Blah but come on down to the fifth floor and there you can buy cosmetics shoes. What the hell are you singing and one night? I heard her and I said, we don't think the lyric is. Just come on down to the fifth floor. Bow. Was Saturday by Norma Jean that a hit in the first instance because that's kind of another one of a second wind in recent years. Saturday was written well, before we knew Norma Jean Saturday was a song that was in our repertoire when we will call the big apple band and we used to play that live and people liked it. It was a really good song. The only reason why it didn't make the first chic album is because we had dancing stance I won't give you the subtitle. And we had everybody dance and we had strike up the band and we wanted to tell a story to us. Albums are like films and the first seek album was basically our live show. We were an opening act. So a brand new opening, agan those days if you had seven original songs to play, that was pretty good said. So that's why we didn't put Saturday on that record, but we were saving it for when we thought it would be useful. What happened was I don't usually talk about this because I hate to say bad stuff. But what happened is that we didn't quite get along with Norma Jean is the way we would have liked to. So what we did was instead of just kicking her out of the band, we got a really big record deal. And say here now do it yourself but we'll make the record for you. Give you a really good cushion. We know this song Saturday is the bomb. So we gave her Saturday and we wrote every song except for. Sam Cooke Song that we covered. So when you Benard were working on songs for other artists like sister sledge, do a particular process. Is there any way you can talk us through the kind of way in which you would originate an idea? We we had a process, right? What we did was we conceptualize the record before we would write anything we would say, okay what is this all about sister sledge we were talked into doing by the head of our record label. He had offered us the rolling stones and Bette Midler, and Bernard and I knew that what I'm GonNa tell Keith Richards Guitar Parts to play until. Mick Jagger what lyrics to sing. Don't think so. I mean, we knew I mean can you imagine I mean nowadays of course? There could be a really big rock band who you guys are. Cool. SONGWRITERS here. Let me hear you saw. But in those days. The artists wrote their own songs. It would be really weird for the stones to get other people to write their songs. So we knew that we were basically songwriters and conceptual people. Sister Sledge was perfect for us because the head of the record company basically. The libretto to this opera this this movie that we were going to write about these girls. He told us that they were like family. When they come to the building they stick together like further, and then all of a sudden after this big pitch, he wanted us to produce somebody on Atlantic win. He finally got the sister sledge and we went home and we looked at our notes. The Chic. Organization right we tried to act like we were real professionals. So we wore suits to the meeting. We wore suits and we had like yellow legal pads and we're writing it down and when we got home, we realized that basically dictated the lyrics that we are family. Like, check this out dig this they stick together like birds. And we fly just like birds of A. No lie while they're religious. Okay. Cool. We got the I won't tell. No. Okay. So we are family was really like a story about sister sledge. What happened was it turned out so well that we holy cow, this song is too good to put out first because if we put this out, I know when is gonNA listen to the rest of the album and I think that pound for pound the sister sledge album may be the best record we've ever done like there's no lame song on that album. So what we did is we conceptualize this as these four really hip girls who are on the cutting edge of fashion and in America there was. A movement called the bubby movement which stood for black urban professionals. This when black people were starting to get jobs on Wall Street in the stock market and Blah Blah Blah, and we've finally had supermodels and all this sort of glamorous stuff that black people were allowed to participate in finally and we thought that we would have sister sledge be this new representation of the bumpy class and when we wrote, he's the greatest dancer I still remember this Halston Gucci fee a Rucci they didn't even know what that meant. They thought it was like a foreign language that was like Halston Gucci Fear Rucci what what is that? Don't worry about it just sing it plus. Plus we already sang them things. All they had to do is copy. With we're talking about I mean when sister sledge walked into the studio, the album was pretty much done. This process that miles talking about some of you will have heard him previously referred to as the DA gem the deep hidden meaning. Thank you. And this is still the process today when whenever we walk into the studio. Nile is eventually going to get to the deep hidden meaning before he's cracked the code and made the song what he wants it, and even yesterday Andrew Lloyd Webber identified it and the project that we're working on Tom Hooper is is the film director on it and Thomas Sitting there explaining that this has now come to life because Nile has insisted on ensuring that he understands the character and he understands the purpose Of everything that's going on in this scene before then completing the music and effectively what he's done is instead of finding out what the deep meaning of the song is. In this instance, he's found out what the deep hidden meaning of the film is or the seem in the film in order to be able to write music then blows the original composer and the film director away and it's an incredible process. Thank you. So you mentioned he's the greatest dancer in a great songs of the L. Loss, the music and thinking of you and. We know SIS, the hitmaker is onstage I. You don't know if. That's the name of now Qatar is there any way we could convince you to? SORTA is a couple of those classic choose using your yeah. So. When we designed the sister sledge concept, it actually had to have a beginning middle and an end. It had to be a film to us and it had to tell the story of these four sisters who were on the cutting edge of cool stuff. So my memory I went back in time and I thought of this band called the children of God that I went to see when I was a kid in woodstock like of course, I went to Hendrix not in some of the bigger bands but I was mainly a fan of this group code the Children of God and they had this unbelievably cool song called do what you? WanNa do. And the reason why I thought do what you WanNa do it so cool was because it had this great turnaround for you. We're family and then play. and. Own? Play in be really awkward. Actually. That's actually would. Normally used to play a neil. You got. Ta Watson. So. Sorry I had hippie moment there. So basically Sledge album was great in that. It gave us a blueprint that we were following. We were just following the sheet blueprint. Sheik was this jazz era ban that was cast into the future sort of thrown into the future and we designed ourselves after Roxy Music. We wanted to have the Polish and the sophistication of Roxy. Music because in those days rock and roll bands, whatever you put on morning was what you were on the GIG I don't care if you with the stones just what it was. We saw Roxy Music get dressed up to GIG was like, Whoa, that's cool. and. Then we went when we were forming chic and we were going out and rounding up the people like the magnificent seven. Yeah. Let's get gunslinger piano Blair. Let's get this cool drummer. Yeah. My Man Tony Thompson I've done a bunch of gigs with him and we've found this piano player named Rob Sabino who is really the unsung hero of Sheikh. Rob is on every record damn near that. We have ever made because he's just phenomenal keyboard player but rob was friends with this group called. Kiss. And Kiss was unsigned at the time and so he said when you gotta come and see my boy ace really. Cool we'll go and see him and. We when we met kiss and the thing that was amazing about kiss. They had this huge following and they were in this grease paint makeup which was cool. It was sort of like, okay. That's Jazz era old school whatever and then when we met the guys, they had taken off their makeup and it was sitting down and we're just talking and this crowd was going bananas over them when they were in the makeup didn't even know who they were and we were like. This is the coalition we've ever seen it was. We saw Roxie Music and then kissed that we thought okay. That's what we're. GonNa be we're GONNA be a sort of mash up of those two bands and that's what she could be and look at our logo look at kisses logo and look at Sheiks logo look at Aba the those four letters is block letters I always talk about rock and roll logic and logic and rock and roll logic is never ever ever to be confused with actual logic. It just something we make. We, make it up and go it's real. So we would make up this concept for Sheikh and we were this jazz era ban thrust in the future that were pretty anonymous. So it was our music that was gonna be famous, but we were going to be unknowns. So that's how we came up with Sheikh, and then we apply that to everything we did Norma Jean same thing sister sledge same thing now. We do our first record for a person who's a real star who already has an image we didn't know how do that. So we got a little afraid the person was Diana Ross. That's the first album we ever made in our lives for a star. We didn't know how to work with the Star because every idea had to be our is had we only knew how to make our own movie. So what? We did is we did what you guys doing. We sat down and we interviewed her, and after we got her story, then we cuss, the made her film. We wrote a documentary which is called Diana and it was about her piano. It was about her friend, which was Suzanne Pass who got us, record deal introduced Diana to us, and the song I'm coming out is really unique in that I used to underground. Clubs because they would have a real captive audience, right? They would these environments where you felt really protected no matter what your thing was and I used to love all of the gay clubs, all the all the Trans Clubs 'cause they really would play the dope this music I mean they didn't care about any of the stuff that was going on. They just wanted to dance floor pack so to the bathroom and. I was using the bathroom for what you actually need to use it, for occasionally, league. Forgive me. This is back in the day. Every. Now, and then you actually went to the bathroom to be. So I went to be in an I noticed on either side of me were all these Diana Ross impersonators and I was like. Oh Man, boy talk about a light bulb going off I ran out of the club and I called Bernard, in those days of course, we didn't have cell phones and even the phone in the club you wouldn't be able to hear because the DJ was the the music was too loud. So I had to go outside call. Bernardin's a wake up wake up because he had A. Wife and kids. So I woke him up and you who? Said Ma'am please please wake up I. got an idea. You know the Diana Ross record we're working on I was just in this club and I saw all these guys dressed up like Diana. Ross. We gotta to do a song called I'm coming on. A. Serious man imagine imagine how the Gay community is GonNa feel when Diana Ross goes I? And he was also. Just write shit down because I knew I was going to get drunk and I wouldn't remember the next day. Only true. Totally true. So, I said just write this down and when we get to the studio 'cause we were in the studio like every day. When we get to the studio, you'll know where I'm coming from so. That's how. A. Fan. Off Renard refers the better. He called her his queen he says like she might queen. So. I wrote a fanfare. No like. We. Play. In America, when the president walks in the room Mickley. Five. Underneath. Moving the que-. I can see that we're running out of time. So I'm GonNa just do one other quick little thing just to show you how this is what Merck was talking about the DA. So after, she couldn't get any more hit records I started producing other acts. So we Diana Ross believe it or not boom we were able to get a number one record with Diana Ross even know it was basically she cracker with Diana singing. And I realize that Hey I can do chic records with other people singing. I mean you look at the credits you guys reward later you still are. No No. This thing actually thank you do a leaper. Thank you. It was awesome. She called in. Your play the songs but anyway. I David. Bowie. One night at this after hours club and. I really was a party animal because that's how you picked up on the new trends like what's going on musically, I really wanted to do some incredible punk rock records I just couldn't wait. Because that's sort of the thing that was really challenging us like was are you disco or you punk rock a model? You you like new romantic whatever it was like I liked everything was no music I didn't dig. So I'm meet David Bowie and it was at the lowest point in my career and I thought wow, how cool is this? He likes me he likes the way I think as I me and Mirko just we just talked about jazz going Wow David Bowie likes jazz on that level I, mean we're talking about the most out wacky. see-saw Taylor stuff and Bowie's I oh man. Yeah and I think we'll get down David. So. We we we knew that we like each other's minds. So then he threw a curveball to me, he came to my apartment and listened to my first solo album called land of the good groove and we played it, and this is exactly what he said to me. I swear to you. I mean you could look at any interview that I've done thirty five years ago whatever David said to me, and this is a quote if you do a record for me half as good as that, I'll be the happiest man in the world. And I'm looking at him going this shit is a flop because I'm thinking as a black artist, there's no radio there's no black radio station that's going to play these songs that I have written here. I'm writing about scoring drugs on the street and. It was unbelievable. So basically then David turned around and said to me that he wanted me to make an album of hits you coming off a scary monsters, you what an album of hits and I was like this is the worst. Ever imagine. Because I thought that if I did a really cool eclectic album with Bowie, even if flop people wouldn't be a disco producer anymore I would just be producer. But I take my job seriously and he convinced me that I had to make hits. So he flew me over to Switzerland and I'm staying at his house now he and I had gone out and listen to all kinds of music and we had a pretty good blueprint as to what we were going to do and he comes to my bedroom one morning and he says now darling listen to this I think this was a hit any. A. Louis. I was like going. Since. I knew that he liked jazz and he was into the terminology you're David. CanNot do an arrangement. Anyway. Yeah man not doing arrangement so I started playing. Like right. Away I knew I wasn't gonNA do the string thing that was. All folk sounding so I went. And I played a minor thirteen court. Because if I just on this. which would have been a major seven which would have been sort of. Same family but by doing. That was like Oh shit man we're in we're in HIP territory now. So I I But when I did that it still felt a little dark to me and employs on these threats. You get overtone so I just moved up a half. A bright now. Did. and. Then after I played that, I said, what about the whole thing up an octave and I wear? A. And the foist leading was smooth. I went. To the minor thirteen. there and then. I could just move right on. So you have smooth voice leading us. Yeah. Anyway. So. I did that and it became. Let's dance. Well. That was a hell of a way. We have to now it's been a great honor for us to be a melt down. We'd like to thank everyone here for being with us tonight and thank you to all the technical stuff for this on the southbound sense of avenues. Thanks also to it to fail for all of your help and the last book. Definitely, not least least give it a Fennell Rojas Curio this.

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I see that i had How's it going on. Steve freshman season five. That's right yup. Everything's cool i mean Boss called me into work today. So there's that and But other than that doing good horrible boss you have their sorry everything's fun. Yeah good yes. I hear you loud and clear. I mean right right. How's it going. Oh it's going good you mean my it. No we can hear you now carry going good. I'm excited to talk to some good philly music and whatnot exactly. Yeah all right. Well speaking of which ladies and gentlemen Speaking affiliate music our guest today is the pride of the city of detroit missing Yeah along with her sisters Great brenda valley jones. I will say that our yesterday Along with her two sisters probably Vigo to background combo trio in the mid seventy s They kind of dominated that platform sort of similar to how says houston and the sweet. Inspirations wants did in the mid to late sixties for many luminaries from aretha franklin lou rawls ted pendant grass and clifford tower power. Of course diana. Ross where have i heard her groups named mentioned well okay. Dina called the jones. Sisters live record but anyway they signed that came to my hometown of philadelphia Around seventy nine Worked under the mighty philadelphia. International records empire Releasing hit after kinda kit From the behove sample You're gonna make the body else To dance turning the romance To my all time favorite nights over egypt to Who run to so many name. Also say that Our guest today enjoyed her first number. One hit single D get enough. Love eighty six two years after she left for solo career. And what six. Lp's under our belt with her family. Two solo records guest is still holding the The mantle and and kind of the legacy of the jones girls in her hands. Ladies and gentlemen please welcome to quest supreme. They wanted only shirley jones. Thank you thank you thank you. Hey how are you. i'm fine. I'm doing really good and the house. Which is the safest place right now. Exactly that's you know Now i thank you for doing this. I i will say that After a lot of stalking on instagram and Social media. I i was happy i was. I was fortunate enough to get your attention to come in and join us on the show. Because i'm so happy. Because i mean i'm just i'm a fan so i'm fan out right now in the roots and the tonight show. We used to just sit there and watch. The nice wouldn't one day. We're going to be on the tonight show this is back when johnny carson was so. I'm a huge fan of yours as well. Of course like i've known as philadelphia. I've known I've learned your history after he came to philadelphia to sign to the label. But i'm really curious about that though. The first part of your career in detroit michigan What part what part of detroit did you guys grow up. We grew up on the west side. You know it's the eastside and westside wet side. We went to central high school. That's the nice part of detroit. No absolutely not okay. By a lot of i'm told by detroit luminaries that if someone eastside. I should watch my wallet but from the west side than watch right now. I mean it's an okay. It's okay yeah all right so Can you start with. What was your first musical. Sorry my first musical memory was me and my mom saying just the two of us once. She found out that. I could sing at like six years. All she was a Very popular gospel singer back in the detroit area. Mary frazier jones. In fact she was the first black gospel singer that are see records. They signed my mother to gossip to the gospel label the same day. They signed little richard. So yeah and once. She discovered that i could sing. I remember going around these different churches singing just the two of us when it was just she and i okay when you say just the two of us. I'm instantly big time. Yeah just the two of us. It's a gospel song. Just the to less. okay. I see in your in the lineup of your sisters. Where do you fall. Are you dissed. Okay you're the older sister. So was it just you three in the household or did you have other siblings know through. My mother and father's union is just three of us but they're like five other kids by three other different women wives and wives. Yeah minister to like say yes yes. My mother was the second wife or second. maybe third. okay So basically what was. What was the your childhood like Because i'm always curious as to how especially when groups that i admire sort of unfold in the seventies. They all seem to have the same kind of narrative which is that they start gospel music. And i'm always curious to see how they are kinda able to unwrap themselves out of gospel. Like some answers are like you know it a controversial thing to start singing secular and some you know. They were embraced by their church. Family whatnot but what was your relationship with music when you were growing up like where you allowed to listen to both or just gospel house. Oh no she she did. She allowed us to listen to both. It was very difficult after being with her. Because we were traveling around detroit. You know detroit. The music city motown but as well as gospel but detroit's choirs were known all over the world aretha franklin father his church so we were traveling circuit around detroit chicago and say a singing behind my mother. My mother was also the music director. At russell street baptist. Church sushi new voices i credit are harmonies and our vocalizing are to my mother. My mother rehearsed us. Oh my from the time. I was about seven or eight and brennan valerie works with stair steps so once she realized what she had she rehearsed. At least maybe four five times a week Kids out there playing and we'd be out there trying to play. But my godmother who lived across street was the piano player. We always had a piano in our home because we studied piano where we all play piano and my mother was like okay. You guys come in. We're going to rehearse. She practiced our voices. She taught us how to lay back. If the if the notice too overpowering she taught us diction So i created everything to her from teaching us early on and then being on the same circuit is like the clark sisters. The wine is back then. Man when tala josiah harlan reached out and wanted us to start to try to come to their label to i to saint she yes. She music merchant to the ap. Oh yeah my mother was just so it took a lot of persuading but she finally let us do it. I'm curious as to okay as as to the training because the the thing is is that In listening to your records. I noticed that You guys been an e. Go amount of time singing in unison. Yet in addition to your harmonies and always wanted to know what was the cause. I was an unusual trademark. And i guess as a non singer like producer. Who's a non singer. So i would automatically think well coming out the gate. Everyone sings harmony. But you guys have really unusual process where you all sing together. So there's always one voice to me exactly that when my mother was training us. That's what she was. She would always grill us and she'd be like i want you shortly to pull back or brendor. I need you to come up more. Even when we're doing unison she would say because the ultimate goal is for your harmonies than your unison to sound like a lead to sound like a lead and she drilled out that enough and and one of the the best memories that i have with my sisters when it was just the three of us after we started doing background for different people when it was just the three of us together no boyfriends no nobody girl for girlfriends hanging around with us we would practice that because my mother had drilled it in as we would practice at Doing background for somebody or working on our own project. It had to be right and valerie the youngest sister she has a. She was blessed with near perfect. Pitch so of course she would always be like that doesn't sound right you to sharp early get the you know so that we had so much fun practicing because we always strove to be for our sound to be perfect whether we were saying in unison harmony singing behind aretha franklin or doing jones girls project. Well i know that you were always in the gospel choir. But you know i know that you're in detroit which even after they long you know migrated los angeles. I'm certain that you know still with luminaries. Still they're like funke delic and whatnot. Like what were your. What was the the the social interaction with other notable members of the detroit musical community for you like who. Was there a group of people that you hung with or notable people that we would no not really we Well when we went to music march it to halogen holland's label. We were doing background for like chairman of the board free payne honey cone And at that time we were. I guess maybe thirteen fourteen. In fact when i was watching Summer of seoul. It took me way back. And i was like. Oh my god. What a half of those people that were involved in that we met we the worked with. And that's it. Wow what a blessing. Because at that time in sixty nine we were like thirteen twelve thirteen years old and we had just started doing background at that age for holland does your jalan because they saw us on a gospel. Tv show in detroit and that was when we begged my mother. All this is. How long does your holland motown. Please let us do background this quiz just background. My just background. you know. it's not gospel background. Please my plane so she finally let us do it. But the stipulation was she had to be there. She was at every session from the time. I was thirteen and we started doing it until i was eighteen. Grown i know i know that since array charles introducing quote unquote secular non gospel lyrics to gospel music. That that's always been an issue with the church and whatnot But obviously you're coming from a younger generation That isn't so married to what your parents and grandparents sorta subscribed to. So you know how who who was your north. As far as like who did you grow up idolizing. Like who's who's the voice that you long to be sort of in a non gospel way like who are you listening to the radio on the radio all of motown it that the temptations the four tops But the but the group that we idolized used to have my mom make outfits for of course was the supremes we absolutely idolized the supremes. We want it to be like the supremes abs- yes we wanted to be like the supremes. Okay so we. We've asked another person. That's once work with diana ross. That experience was like the story was humorous. Now talking about the Rather tense time under a camp. What was what was it like. And of course. I wanna know about all your background stuff but what was it like to finally land that job it was. It was amazing We actually we were perfectly happy. We just moved to detroit to la. With mckinley jackson. He was managing us at the time. And we were perfectly happy doing background sessions could because we were doing like three and four day it was either us or the waters that people wanted to do their water back then. Oh yeah my buddies. Yeah it was either us or them. That's who we were those premier groups for background singing back. Then and mckinley said well. You know diana's auditioning for some singers and she's been turning everybody down and you know and and he said you guys want to try we like diana. Yeah i mean you know. We're from detroit. Hey let's give it a shot so we went up there actually thinking we were for go ascii her music director and her road manager don peak up law canyon somewhere and we went up. There and mckinley started playing. We had rehearsed ain't no mountain high enough and reach touch. Somebody's hand for audition and right in the middle of singing. Who comes down the hall. But diana ross and and the on the only words out of her mouth was you guys are terrific can get passports for. It's we're going to london and we of course you know we were like yeah. We can go to london and but we had to work out some things on our contract because of our background singing was she did allow. We traveled seven months of the year with her and then when she was on hiatus she did. Allow us to keep our background singing career. For other artists. i've failed you on retainer but you allowed to. We allowed to sing right but we were still getting you know. We were getting half of our paycheck when she was when she wasn't working at but she still allowed us to do our singing. Our background thing And over the years. I have defended and set said so many people have said what was she like. I hear you know she's this. She's any other i said. Let me just tell you one thing. She was the hottest entertainer in the world. Back in the seventies absolutely nobody was bigger than diana. ross except maybe frank sinatra and she was a perfectionist. She was a female and she was demanding. She demanded that her from her band to her singers. To be as into the and rehearse. And be on top of your gig as she was. And because that was drilled. Vanessa that's what we did it anyway. she was absolutely one of the best people to work for and she was so concerned for for us because up until we went to london with her they only places we had been was detroit surrounding areas ending california And she reloaded and respected are sound so much that after the european tour is when she came to us he was getting ready to do her yearly twice a year residency at caesar's palace and she came to us and said you know you girls are too good to be singing background behind me or anybody else. Whatever so you know. I changed clothes at least five times in my show. I want you to get a song together. And i want you to sing it. I'm gonna bring you out the jones sisters and i'm going to introduce you to the world and that's actually she did that. We chose i. If i ever lose this heaven from quincy jones album. That was back then. And that's how we got. What's gambling huff at the. Yeah the shubert. Yeah google theater. And she called us and cynthia biggs and dexter ones they win the audience and they said they could think about and look at during. The whole show was us. They kept saying you hear those girls. You hear her background singers. They're tearing it up and gambling. Huff came backstage and they said you guys are terrific Are you signed with anybody. And we're like no i'm like. Oh my god gambling asking us if we signed with anybody and so we went back to la and within a month. We had our attorneys work. 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It's the bold smooth ice cold coffee pick-me-up their powers your summer day. Find your happy place at starbucks order ahead on the app. Wait a minute always wanted to know was this. Was this the tour where she would It would start with the video thing with the guy is carrying her overall now. This was before they had always wanted to know. How did that losing now. Okay i wanna see longtime ago but can you also talk about like the gig with her and how was different than other backgrounds. As far as like. She says she changed her clothes five times. Did you guys get to change clothes. Did you have the same out that you had to wear every night. Or what because it was ianna. Ross y'all had like a nice rotation and would require before every show as far rehearsal and stuff like that is the comparison to everybody else. You work for With her being a perfectionist we rehearsed a lot before we would go out on tour With her i mean we rehearsed allied. And yes she did curves she would come in there and if you if the bay and she never had the cursing us because we were going to be on top of our game but she would she recur them out and i and you know and i often tell people i say the now if she were man like frank sinatra coming out carson. Because somebody wasn't doing their absolute best and she felt that they should be. He'd be applauded. He would be applauded and said oh. He's just such a strong individual. He's he make sure that you know but because she's a woman and she was that demanding at that time you know women weren't supposed to you know come. If you weren't doing your job you were supposed to say. Would you please open naturally. Come in like a sale. Oh yeah or beyond allowed to be today. Yes exactly so i i give i give her kudos because she was demanding yes she was but she was also she. She would also make sure that she was doing though. As far as we heard saying to she was always always immaculate impeccable. I two people that i learned the most from his ours entertaining myself. I always say as diana. Ross and eddie levert from the oj's 'cause they are show people absolutely showpiece. Can't wait to hear what you i want. I want to know for you or is it a thing where the grass is greener on the other side. Do you prefer studio sessions or deep For traveling this. I'm talking strictly in terms of of your days. Backgrounding as a background. Saying i prefer being in the studio. Yeah i prefer being in the studio. Because i'm more of a lie wealth when we travel and do background for her. That was exciting because it. That was the first time we were traveling doing background and making money but now i mean i prefer the doing studio work versus traveling singing background for someone. Isn't it a bigger pressure though emma studio because i'm almost certain that there's you know there's really not enough time for you to you. Borderline have to catch it in perfected in you know in a short amount of time i would assume correct. Yeah killing backgrounds. Yeah in in real time. That's one of the reasons why but so many people want us to do background because they knew we were going to rehearse so much so that when we got in the studio you know time is money. We would knock that stuff out just like that. That's why some some sometimes we would have two and three sessions a day. Because we were able to we would rehearse practice are parts for whoever and to make sure that when we went into the studio bam bam bam. We could do it and you know back in the day you talking about eight tracks and you're talking about not being able to sing one little part and then they fly it through the song you had to sing that exact same well four and five so you know three to dublin and and So and that. I think that's one of the reasons. Why the artist today. The today don't as far as live performances. They cannot do it like us that were trained to have to sing a song all the way through three and four different times stack that harmony and sound the exact same way each tie right. I see i agree. I agree with you curious. Who will your peers are they competitors but who were the peers. Who if you can't get the jones sisters you know we should call so and so the waters. It was his emphasis in california for the longest. Yeah that was it. Yeah yeah so. What i know you mentioned working under. How does how when you came to los angeles will year was that we went to los angeles in nineteen seventy five. Yeah by seventy five seventy six. That's when motown moved and then they had given holland does your holland the invictus and the music merchant labels and I think motown moved wedding. Seventy three seventy four and then dell's light mckinley and holland holland moved out. I think seventy five so it was just basically everyone in. Detroit was migrating to los angeles and we might as well follow suit and follow them as follow them. Exactly exactly could you tell me. What other notable acts singing background for that we might not be aware of Helen reddy Share yeah helen reddy. Oh my god they somebody just posted it the other day. I forgot that song that we did for her. We did the entire album because she just passed. I think recently and someone posted and share. I barely have reader. Take me home or at the guy. What song but the song that we did do for share. I don't think it made the album. Okay but we did a session. We did a session because we did two songs with her and they never met. I don't think they made the album. Now somebody's gonna probably prove me wrong and and posted you know okay. I know that you you. You've done background on some notable affiliated national songs as well so am. I assume that you're basically all the female voices that i hear on like you'll never find another love like mine and those those songs well like we were always in now. We could do Lou rawls album. There was a group of girls in philadelphia Okay i can't think of their names that we're doing a lot of background singing for gambling them because once we became the jones girls. You know we didn't do as much background singing for other people. Once we got will gamble and health and seventy nine a just select you know when we had the time. Because you're gonna make me love somebody else coming out the box being so big. We immediately get gambling immediately. Sent us to ohio with charlie atkins Who put the oj's and temptations favorite him. And we were. We were rehearsing to go out on tour with the oj. Who try tally. Atkins. oh yes. satellite man tasma was he was and then i have two left feet so he was always on me. He was constantly. Because i'm not. I was the only one that couldn't dance. Brennan valley dance. You know and me. I'd always try to well. I'm saying and lead anyway. I just stand on no you. Cannot you going to girl all. He was tested. You've just just eat a banana the banana before you coming here to rehearsal for that potassium so you can move those feet. He was real mast. I heard this every every act. It's ever worked with wait. What what period were you guys with retha. Franklin we did the almighty fire album with her job at seventy six. Yes absolutely we only say this because the the kind of household i grew up in i would. I grew up with three binge shoppers when it came to a record so like every week. Stacks and stacks and stacks of forty five. Stacks and stacks and stacks of thirty. Three's would come in the house because the thing is that i would get the records that my parents didn't want so you know as far as my wreath a collection like there a period almighty fire. The you record all the way up to diva like basically the post sparkle records. That really weren't hitting the same right. I inherited so i know all those like sweet pass and like all those records. That weren't quite. You know up there with the the legacy what was it like. Oh god and she was wearing that spacing to greenspace I remember that that period of what what was it like and how it's emanating is it. You know working with her or was he. Just you know another detroit person that you can connect with well. We had saying as children at her father's church with my mother. One sunday when we were there. I believe it was one of her father's anniversary i am. We knew that she was going to be there at that time she was. She was a superstar. She had respect out. You know she was like and they said she was going to be at the church and after we performed she came up to my mother and said boy. Those are some singing girls. You got there and then fast forward like fifteen years later we were doing almighty fire. And what a lot of people don't know. Is that when that sparkle movie was You know they were looking for the actor. They actors and actresses for that movie aretha. Franklin and kenny gamble wanted us to play the the sisters hirer iowa retha pitched in for. She wanted us to do it. Because because of our voices and we had just saying on On her album and kenny felt that that would be great. We were the you know. The jones girls. He felt that we would just come out. And that were eager. They sent us to new york in a limo and it was I think they both were very. I know we were disappointed. especially when And you know aretha she was of activists led back they especially when those girls abate you know was very light. Bright girls that got art heart thing was to them. Was you know this this ridiculous those girls can you know they have their singers. And they could be taught to be actresses too and chief. She was quite upset about that. So there is almost a chance that you could have. We had a chance to sparkle songs. Because those yeah was there was there ever a background gig that you had. That was like a little too intimidating or that you you know was just are a to now we we no matter who the artist was and there were a lot of artists that you know hadn't even made it yet but you know if we liked the song and you know they were willing to pay pay the money you know we were. We would do it and we would give our best. And the the the thing that a lot of people don't know is that for the another reason why so many people liked us is because we created a lotta those backgrounds They knew that if they gave us the song we will create the background parts. Yes i mean arrangement some some on some for a lot. Now some did come with you know specific backgrounds but my reputation became such that. They'd be like okay. Well the hey. Here's the song. What are you guys. Think drop shirley not Norman connors Lou rawls Well then that we they let us do just you know. Control the background god. It's so many people just songs with artists. That will i you no matter what song i'm doing. Let the jones coming here and and do and do. I think now brinda was alive. 'cause memory is so much better than my she she. She can remember every single artist background on everything. Yeah but but me. It gets a little fuzzy sometimes because when people post stuff now and i'll be like oh yeah. I remember that we did do that. Song you know so With with signing two Philly international. I'll say that Probably in my opinion because you know we my dad purchased all the records played at the house all the time. I will say that you guys were probably given a more contemporary up-to-date town than and a lot of the acts that weren't philly international beckmann like it was almost a thing where you instantly within the first two seconds that you were listening to affiliated national song fit based on like the trademark of the strings in all the mixing of the record or whatever. But like you're gonna make me love. Somebody else sounded nothing. Like what philadelphia. Especially what was happening in. Nineteen seventy nine anything really. I like a woman telling you. Better get your shit. Together right exotic. Yeah so I mean i. I would assume met still the same group of people like it's still dexter wants l. and gamble and huff in all those. I know mckinley jackson also worked on the record as well but like what was the discussion. Basically on how to present you guys in your sound data one of the things that i think gamble and huff they were purposely trying to take us away just a little bit for from the strings and horns like say like of what they did with three degrees and wanted. They wanted us to be more funky more soulful more earn. Be and if you noticed deaf. Very first jones girls album. That's exactly. I mean i'm at your mercy's on there which is a heart wrenching mallet. Then of course there's you gonna make me love somebody else today. There's yeah exactly so run to. Who can i run to yup. What are your feelings on Of course not what. Your feelings were you. How did it feel for escape to sort of reintroduce that song to a whole new generation. Yeah when i when. I heard it when i first heard it. It was one thousand nine hundred five so if by that time it was sixteen years future from when we did and so many i remember so many of the produces when when gamble back in the day you know you had a aside and a beside on records and who can i run to was on the b side so many people did not want gamble to put that they said put show love today. Put anything on that on the b side of you're gonna make me love somebody else. Besides who can. I run to because that is a that is a single of its own but of course that didn't happen so Nine i mean we. We were working. And the girls. And i had broken up by then and when we heard Who can i run to. I was i was happy. Actually because back then when their record came out there were so many deejays that were you know into new that we had done at first because people used to flip it on the radio sometimes and play. Who can i run to. So what they would do is like yang at the. I know you guys love this one. buying escape but guess what escape didn't do it i. The jones enabled version two and in half people call in which version they liked the best. And all of that. And i happen to the girls. Want radio show some years back and they said we hope we did a good job. We but but we just love you guys love you. All sound and and i told them. I said you did a great job because what you did was you brought back a lot of attention to the jones girls so i was. I tell them i said so. Hey thank you. Thank you because it brought back some attention because i mean up until you know from sixteen years later we kinda died out like we weren't together anymore we had We will do some things occasionally over in europe but it was brought back a lot of attention and put that jones girl's name back out there. I'm wondering how dexter and gamble have worked in a writing sense of they writing all these these kind of like female run these songs for women. Did they ever. Do you ever get to say anything about alert. Did you ever get to say well. I don't know she would say like this but she might say like that or did you. Was it always just their words saying it go. Oh no it was they. They allowed us to to put in. It's just like I just love the man on one. When we were in the studio and i just the man there was no talking upfront at all and gamble kept saying yeah again well gamble kept saying well anymore. Get gamble said the song is great. I love it but something is missing now. Little did we know he was in the control booth and i was going through some things In my relationship with mckinley at the time and the mice my sisters were and we didn't know our mics were open and they they were like girl you. We're so sick of you and and mckinley and all this drama you know you just need to leave him and mama said it and then kennedy said that's what we need. We need that right there. That's wild. I'm serious cameras. Tell yeah we didn't know he was listening to us and he said that's what we need to take a break. Take a break so we went in and out what we were saying. And that's how those Talking parts got in there be recording. Yeah that's that's the first time that you shirley jones fight shit talking to me in the beginning no more right and especially especially with women not not since the days of Barbara mason the woman like yeah or or dorothy more or bring it back interlude culture. I guess i'm bringing it back. Exactly i in the moments you'll never forget the stories. They've never told the secrets. They've never revealed buying music returns exclusively to paramount plus with a spotlight on new and legacy artists. Reliving the biggest moments of their musical journeys. Get a backstage pass into the lives of some of the most popular musicians of all time and revisit. 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I mean disco kind of like exploded right there with you gonna make me love somebody else and they would want us to performing in clubs studio fifty four and all those places and we didn't really want to perform you're gonna make somebody else because it didn't have that that disco temple to us. We thought but but it became a big disco record and those different studios in new york in different places would have us combat but we would always tell gamble we thought it was a little slow for a disco but hey they did a remix that was like twelve in twelve minutes long and that was the disco version. So that's how. I became popular warmer thing. So when you guys are touring always wanted to know this because You guys would also or at least to mean you stack your background parts on your records and also have counterparts hanging with you and always wanted to know how you guys pull that off live when it was just three of you but then i thought well. This is the three of you then. Obviously you would also have to have background singers for you guys as well and was that how you handled but now now we really. When we couldn't do sit down for for stage we would take the the the heavy the parts that we know people wanted to hear and it was the hardest thing for me. Because i'm the top note in and i was singing lead and then having a jump back. That's why now when i travel. I have three backgrounds singers. That i have trained that have been with me for ten years and they know all the the that calm mellow jones girls because they know all our parts and everything which frees me up to be able to do my thing vocally but it was so hard because we always insisted on doing our own backgrounds. Didn't wanna have anybody else on the side doing doing our and the only time we kinda got away from it. We had a Female md myra that play keyboards. And she was saying my top note she was with us for maybe almost a year and that i was able to really get into my leads and stuff then when she was our md. But that was only for about a year okay. I always wanted to know that because like again. You guys are so intricate with the jones girls sound of stacking all if his three of them you know on stage then i know there hasn't been an additional three voices to help all those counterparts that are swimming around in the song as well. Now we've we because of the insistence of us never wanting anybody to to do our backgrounds and charlie atkins he was like now 'cause and have us dancing and and you know and then they back in the day. We just didn't want it. We didn't want any background singers. We wanted people to to hear us and week. 'cause we practice i mean twenty four seven especially when we won't roll we'd be in there practicing bright before the right before you hit the stage just to make sure that everybody's voices worked on on top of what's because of what we were getting ready to do. So another question. I have is because there's so many writing teams at gamble and huff. How how how are the decisions made on who you're going to work with like guy say. Hey we we like what cynthia has for us. So let's work with. Cynthia dexter or mcfadden white had like there's so many teams there. How do you. We had a in effect. It was so impressive. When our first day we took that elevator up on three the crank that i little creaky elevator on three three. Oh nine and they get broad street street. I went to elementary school right next door. At performing arts okay. Right up the street yes. Yeah and they gave us a schedule. Everybody had little office. Offices would a keyboard and a recorder. They gave us a schedule like from from ten to twelve. We were going to be with dexter and cynthia from agitate intake launch than then from two to four. We be fattening whitehead Then from six to eight we would be with. Joe jefferson chali boy semons The guys that did who can i run to then ev- every every Writer and producer got a chance to submit their songs within those two hours and then the next day the schedule was start all over again because it was so many of them and then of course the and then of course also during that time we would Sped jet gambling. Health had written their songs. And we will get with everybody and we would do little demos of the ones that we liked up. You know that we wanted to do. And then that's how we would choose which ones we're going to be recorded. We sit down with gamble and huff at the end of the week and they say well with this. We think you should do this. One this one this one. Can you tell us What was the i really. Don't know like. I always cynthia biggs names on every credit forever. But she's probably the only filly luminary that i've yet to meet or or knew about yes and i tell her all the time she to me is the most underrated writer has. She's like a carole king to me that girl because oh my god yes love. Tko if only you knew all alone. I mean like. I mean all of her songs are such classics. And you know a lot of people don't realize that because of course she was writing partner with dexter wan's l. Been everybody know decks. Took all right when she was telling us how she went to the library to study the the egypt during that time of writing of writing nights over egypt because she wanted to make sure that she was lyrically writing to that time period. I knew then. I'm like this girl and i've got yeah and i've gone onto to do a demos for her on so many beautiful absolutely beautiful songs that and didn't come out but i mean she's incredible and absolutely incredible writer and still speak. Generally you know she. Oh she's in philadelphia. Yeah she did. Hurry we'll get you in touch with her absolutely. Yeah yeah because he sees wooden britain way. Too many hits there's there's one song Yes one song always been curious about on your second record on a on a piece woman. There's a song called. Let's celebrate sitting right. So the thing is is that i know on the ri- at is credit that i saw both lou rawls and teddy pin the grass's name in the rightish credit put it is was that writing session light was that real or was that a typo or cassette. Cynthia biggs teddy pendergrast. That was To be honest with you in fact. I'm almost sure god. They put like a lyric or two in there. And why you know and because of their name at the time okay. Yeah they they put you know a few few little few of the lyrics in their right so unusual. So random like wait. I can't imagine rose teddy pentagram right now. That's that's just like cynthia rhoda love tko but but Teddy i think teddy name got on there too or no gamble. Renamed again gambles womack woman. Yeah we got we got. Yeah i am definitely Leyla i send you her number. I'm gonna get in contact with her first because we haven't spoken for a while but yeah i will. Yeah and get get you her number and her information she loved to do it. Yes love it. Yeah i was gonna say you know probably win when the smoke clears would say that the average jones girl fan will always put nights over egypt as they are almost their top song. Yes which was so unusual at the time yellow. What how genesis of the song. And how did it wind up in your hands while it wound up in our hands dexter and cynthia presented to us and we actually ended up court recording it. Thanks to my baby sister valerie. Because branded and i did not want to do the song we thought it was too jazzy and common behind. I just love the man and gonna make me love somebody else. We thought it was too jazzy. So we sat down and we had a calm. It was like brenda valerie myself. Dexter and cynthia and we said well. Dad said because as i said the music is just all is so different and so different index to say yes it is and so then valerie said so this beautiful she says so what we should do is do a different type of bat of singing on it and and we're like what valerie and so we after talk and she said why not have no lead singer but you know how you mom always said less let let the unisons and harmonies be elite and may brennan and simply saying hey. That's that's interesting less. Try that. We went in the studio to takes after rehearsing brennan. Valor got together and we. We decided where we were gonna do. The unisem where we were going to do. The harmonies to takes took us and it was done. I knew then that that was the special song because a lot of the other songs. Like you're gonna make me love somebody else. And who can i run to. It took more takes than then to to get it right to the point of where everybody felt comfortable that this was hit but it was just too takes with nights over egypt. Wow yeah i for me. That's like yeah and this amazing too because it was actually the third single galleries also the one that said that should be the first single and during that time damn amblin always had to have the first single on the jones goes and it he just come by valerie. She was so upset nights over. Egypt should be the first single off of their get as much love as you can and it actually came off as a third single and that's only because quiet storm just forgot about Finally found that man of mine and get us love as you can singles and they everybody across the country just started playing nights. Did you say a quiet. Quiet storm radio. The debate about that intro. There ever a debate like this is way too long. We need to come in sooner or from the moment. You heard the intro. You like all right. That makes amanda. You thought it was crazy when i heard we know all together for the song the hunt. Now we we we. I mean we were groove in off of it. And and but the breakdown. When i do it on stage the first time i tried to say it must be a nightmare for your band out familiar. Oh and i've gotta have the right. And then when i when i cut it down to you know to take out the instrument of all my god they would all like. This gives us a pillow. Oh man i. But i've let keyboard players go auditioning because they couldn't get it vache. They could not get it right. It has to be right. They would do everything. Like now and dexter would laugh. I said when when keyboard players audition if they don't get it out of there. I don't yeah that's earn around. I ask you being's right now. Sweating over and over and over again. I wanna be md for that ridiculous in a rapidly changing world. People wonder more and more about where their food comes from and how it was grown. 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Can you explain because you're probably the first philly international artists that we've had pre eighty one on the show. Can you explain to me. How the after effect of teddy pentagram car accident affected via entire label. Because i can only -ssume that there was a slow implosion affiliate international after eighty two because most acts will have will leave the label a year later by Of course you know the signature gamble. Gambling have sound even though paddle bills. Sort of kept the the lights on. If you will Pretty much you know. Every act was was going elsewhere You know to to figure the eighties out. So did this. Accident actually have an affect on the entire label as far as it being labeled being operational as far as in the eyes of what. I knew that clive davis wasn't running philly national at the end of its run. He he signed the labeled to to colombian in seventy three. But yeah what was just. What was the general atmosphere of the label in late. Eighty two post accident. That accident was that was it. Affected the label because i mean teddy. St teddy was the he was the hot guy. You know he was the main the main success at that point and i mean we would. We doing okay. They'll jay's i think they were getting ready to leave if they hadn't already left. And i think billy pau but had left or was in the process of leaving and things would just change in. I mean disco by this time was just take it had taken over everything and and gambling were still writing basic Are in be you know the that that sound So it affected it to the point where i think that was when when phillies really started going down and we of course. We weren't sure if kenny was going to re sign us and we were having a lot of internal by this time we were having a lot of internal problems group. My sisters and sisters. Yes as sisters. And that's one question i didn't ask how. How do you guys navigate as a group as business partners. But also you know as i mean your sisters at the you know at the end of the day so it's almost like you don't have an option to not to go to bed angry about something or have we getting for for a long time. Everything was fine But then after the second album we it. It became more and more Pronounced certain certain things that that we were dealing with internally and we decide that's And a lot of it was over. Who was gonna who was gonna be lead singer. Say how hard was it. Because i know the whole thing like. Let's all be unison. But at the end of the day it's like someone at the label has to be like look your focus on somebody here so we'll see what happened was when we went into gamble inhofe. My sisters were so used to all of us sharing lead and everything but gamble and huff was had had to sit brinda down in particular because they had always been this saying that she felt she should be the lead singer but after the first album and the success of that first album. Kenny is detail brinda that he said lau. Every group has a signature voice now and we feel that the most commercial signature voice for the jones girls insurance. So yes. we're gonna we're gonna you know. Have you do some songs. But the bulk of the songs we want we want shirley to do and That was always an issue between britain And that that was the main cause of us breaking up for the final time. Yes on the The third album not the The fourth album on target. I know that you guys had went to. Rca what caused the split from philly. International and illegally. Weren't sure that he was gonna sign us became brinda Became friends with robert wright. Who's now deceased. And and fonzie thornton Robert my fines and he Robert wright and fonzie got together and robert was the head of the rca at that point. And he brenda had become friends. And i think he kind of told her. You know it's cheap. It would be more equal lee Leads bution yeah so we got over there and the same situation happened once once that they would hear my voice on the songs that finds ian robert row. They wanted me. And that set up a issue between brenda and robert and may and then you know. And that's why i was just that one album but the interesting thing is is that we had an album in the can at philly international. That kenny burke had done call keep it coming abuse and he gamble released that album he released at like three months after. Rca i think and that album did better than the on target album. So and then from there That's when the group broke up totally you know. And then i gamble called me to come back to do my solo project. Yeah i knew that Oftentimes and you know it's always like the similar to the the supreme situation where it's like sometimes the best singer or the most the the best thing or the best voice of the strongest voice. Whatever it doesn't mean the most commercial voice and a lot of times people. Don't you know i think people understand in hindsight. Yes and there's after the fact after the fact. And i would tell brenda all the time. Brinda has that really mid tone tones in her voice but she could also sing very high but her voices so full and i used to tell her. You have a beautiful voice you could just you know. Do do the songs that they that they put like. Oh i close my eyes. On one of the album's she's doing and on that keep it coming out. Will you can hear the tones in her voice. That would just rich. And that's why. I couldn't understand why she just always always always. It was such a battle to read when the Unsung when kenyan i. We're talking about when he was getting ready to do his own part. He said you know. I never thought. Britain liked me. When after after i sat down and told you all that it was your he said. I don't think she ever really liked me. I said well kenny. I don't think she liked me there. Analysis sister way that that was a hard conversation that he did but he had to have it. So i'm curious too because you guys have been singing since you guys were little in which your mom was there ever any conversations to help prevent these kind of moments like listen. Girls are going gonna try to break you up. Upper listen girls. Somebody makes she. Did she did. My mom did and we. I mean we were the best of friends We never fought because she always said. Don't fight. I mean you know verbally we would go at each other but we would never physically because you know we. We weren't raised in that kind of environment but Both of my sisters which runs in our family both had received serious alcohol problems. Okay that developed With valerie it started. You know with the ending part with diana ross and we found out about that a little later but then with both for them once we at really after that once that first jones girls record it just became more and more prevalent and that in and then the the jealousy issues as far as leading is what broke broke the group up and is what killed both of my sisters alcohol. Well brenda was struck by three cars. But it was. Because as far as i. As far as i know all i know is that the police officers that had seen told me that that day earlier in the day they had seen her walking down the street crying in dover delaware and they took her back to her hotel and told her they said she let him in and everything they told. Please stay in your room. Contact your daughter but don't go back out and I told them i got. I wish they had had my number of some of that time. Because she was not going to stay in their boomer. So that that that's what that's what happened there in in twenty seventeen with her valerie Into in two thousand one She had she had just said that she was not going to she was. She wanted my mom to check her in because she was tired and she really wanted. She knew that brennan. I were talking about. Maybe doing something together with her again in two thousand one and she said well monday. I want you to take me And she died from you know from the her liver Yeah station. We had about the olympics in people taking mental breaks totally different teams mental health. And then and that's why. I i told the people from on song you know. They did a great job of telling the story. Because both of my sisters the drinking and and then the brenda's in britain's case taking those or opioids because To to just kill the pain. She was constantly in pain. She said and instead of getting the help that she needed it. But but With her it. I was constantly telling her brenda urine pain. Because you really don't need more alcohol or another pill you need to go talk to somebody and she classic come you know come talked me come come you know. We could talk but she you. She wasn't ready. She wasn't ready to admit what was happening. And you know she's no longer here because of it and then heard both of her daughters. Were in denial to in. I told them i said you. Guys are the only ones that could physically take her somewhere to get help and they refuse to do it. Yeah that's important like you have to. It's in because mentally like this pandemic this year and a half of just being in the house has almost driven me crazy but i have a firm foundation. You know i got. I got three grandbabies little ones seven month old two three euros that you know they they gave me all the life that you to wanna keep eleven to window you off their exactly. That's important like so. Were you able to all to just have sort of a of a moment of reconciliation with them after after the group. Yeah and even I wanna say before. Valerie past sheep. We we she and i were. We were on good terms because of the boys. We both have sons that are both in the music business. And they just they gotta ep k. Out now doing a six of our songs hip hop schuyler karen and Cameron and pj and then with brenten. Thank god we had. She and i had not spoken about for about three or four years and right twenty sixteen. We started speaking again talking and 2017 The year that she passed it was april. Third of twenty seventeen. She was coming. I was doing the essence. Mary j. blige got me on the essence music festival and i had just told her diana was there the night before and she says shirley. Why don't we go. I'll meet you there. And we'll go backstage and say hi to diana and i said okay i said don't be surprised if i bring you up on stage to perform with me the next night asset. So are you ready. She says yeah. I'm ready. I'm ready but she says i'm will meet you. They are said and budget. I knew she was still having issues. But i felt that if she if i could get her there. That would help you know encourage her especially. Yeah you know tests to see the love that people have for the group but yeah that night before she passed. We had just talked. And i said okay. Now i'm getting. I'm gonna to get your plane ticket so you could fly. Because she was in she was in I didn't know. I thought she was in new york but she lives and over delaware with her daughter and she says all right. I said slama call you tomorrow and give you the plane. It's a information and then eleven o'clock that morning Is when i got the phone call that she could by three cars. So yeah yeah it's But you know i. I've feel them every time. I'm on stage every time in the studio and i'd be laughing sometimes because i hear valerie drilling me shirley that no does a little sharp. You need to come down and you know brinda crack in some kind of joke. So that's that's one of the reasons it's the my therapy is continuing the legacy and and same you know singing and performance for the audience even the spirit of what Can i ask what what did it feel like when you struck out on your own and finally got your number one song. Get enough love. Yeah i was talking about excited because we had never had a number one. We have had a number three and number five you know but we had never had a number one and when they called me and told me that it went to number one I was like oh my god. You got chicago my way up to an interview for jet magazine and once we got up there when they kenny. Call to say you got the number one rector on. I'm like what you know. And we're i think 'cause i think us and sweet love had been battling going up and then It stayed there for a couple of weeks. As and i was happy so happy about that now. The first performance was scary. Because i call myself. I went back to charlie atkins and and he said well. Let's just take too long. You don't have to dance now. Bay but but i decided to have Two guys a girl so that to take away from the jones girls as background singers and he he put a terrific show together The first night. I was so scared it was in in. Dc constitution hough. I was with maize. And we and in dc and it was you know i was like. I don't know how people are going to accept. You know the two guys and a girl and me especially. When i'm doing most of the songs i mean with joe to do jones girl stuff. Do you get enough. Love was the only thing i had had. And when i When i did when i did it. Add liquid game ready to leave my hotel room. They brought up like two dozen yellow roses from diana. Ross as she said get it. Go get him girl one and i and you know and i was. It made me feel so good Just to go out there and perform and i did. I did good. I mean i talked with them for seven months so yeah i did good. I guess in closing. I'll ask like what what do you. What do you want or or or is there. Sort of like a bucket list achievement. At you yet do that you would like to do. Or what is it in. The legacy of the jones grows the want the world to know what the word announced that the jones girls recognized and realized that we were blessed with three absolutely beautiful voices that blended so well together and that we knew that and we also worked and practiced and practiced and practiced for that sound. And the reason why we practice for that sound was to bring people the most beautiful harm manek music that at the end of the day at the end of the show at the end of the record they could they would say wow. They would feel uplifted. They would feel enlightened and they would just feel joy and would just smile because that was the goal for me and my sisters and my goal. Now no matter. What i do i just want when i'm performing i wanna do at the end of the day is for people to smile and say a man. We had a great time with jones girls experience. So that's that's beautiful. Thank you absolutely. We thank you for your music and your talent and you know and your your sisters as well your family or putting the the sound of philadelphia present choice. Yes philly sow man. Some someone one of my fans said mode motown music had my mind. Philadelphia music has my soul. Emma spirit. yeah there you go. Yeah drop for you right there. Shirley jones this is quest. Love and Won't be episode steve and pay bill frontier golo and lie era. We thank you for another great episode of course left supreme We will see you guys on the next go round. Thank you yell up fine. Make sure you keep up with us on instagram at cumulus and let us know what you think who should be mixed down with. Don't forget to subscribe to our podcast. I love supreme production of iheartradio for more podcasts. From iheartradio visit the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Wherever you listen to your favorite shows the air we breathe the water. 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