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Erik Clemons: Food & Empowering New Haven

Chewing the Fat

35:39 min | 1 year ago

Erik Clemons: Food & Empowering New Haven

"Join the fat. The Yale sustainable food programs podcast. That looks at people making change in the complex world of Food and agriculture. I'm your host Irwin Lee. Powerful stories exists about people here in new haven everyday. Civic leaders communities organizations come together to tackle poverty and injustice in the city some people greed urban resilience through food through the Connecticut Center for Arts and technology known as con cat founder and CEO. Eric Clemens has become one such leader. Eric joined US last week on campus as a guest to celebrate the legacy of Dr Martin Luther King Junior income cats journey connect food equity art and urban development. In in ways you might not imagine all for the sake of building a better new haven. Here's Eric with podcast. Manager Amnesia your greatly involved in promoting local local economic wellbeing by empowering marginalized communities. What drives you in your work? I think a big driver for me and my work was the fact that I was. Poor was able to overcome the conditions of symptoms and suffering of poverty. A- and I've always kind of promise to myself that if in fact back that would kinda quote unquote make it that I would help those folks who especially look like me who are living in conditionality to overcome and so a lot of the work that I do if we all the programs it is an aggressive attempt to address poverty. Poverty is the civil rights issue of our time. I really do. And so the thrust of my being is to really address those issues surrounding poverty. That's that's what keeps me up at night but that wakes me up in the morning when so when you first started your career like did you know that was what you wanted to do. Yes yes in my i. Kinda took a securities route to where I am. I grew up again as I say very poor. No project single parented my yeah. My mom had a brother younger brother who was shot and killed when he was eighteen and have an older sister. And you know I didn't do well at school although though I felt myself to be very kind of smart had a new things but I was really kind of contending with things that had nothing to do with school and so I I kind of found jobs here in the air and I have no idea how I got Outta high school. No idea because I didn't do well in high school and kind of meandered standard until I found a job at the postal service and I worked at the United States Postal Service as a mail sorter and I did that for twelve twelve years in the twelfth year. Whatever reasoning the I started thinking about my contribution to the world? What have I done that would allow my my wife and children to be proud Outta me and to my staff had really done nothing? Although I had a very noble job and made a pretty good living and I went to school for two reasons one I want to educate myself to. I wanted to learn how to fast food worked so when my daughter's colleagues Alex like we wouldn't be intimidated by and so in the sound funny but it's a real thing you know and so I did that and while how in school you know. I'm this thirty four thirty five year old guy in Undergrad but realize that a lot of the things that were in my head I was finding language now. It was acquired language to talk about things that have been in my head for twenty years. And there's more of an academic language and so I went to school in and kind of realized that I had some ability liberty and incredibly focused because older guy in school you know finish school and Finish Undergrad. And then of course I I had some momentum and some real confidence within the academic sphere and I said all right we'll go to graduate. School now is going to go to law school because I was always thinking about the world and especially the communities that I grew up in from a kind of political social and faith lenses together with two the main kind of make up the civil rights movement and my wife thought it wasn't a good idea go to law school and so I ended up going to seminary and got a graduate degree Green Theology and ethics because theology has law in it and so you know from there. I started kind of making a name for myself in community doing the things that I always as long to do. And then I'm things happen for me and to me to the point where I am where I am now. I've been able to do to be a part of some really really incredible things. Also Senate around education. Whether you know Ed Fellow in Aspen or State Board of Ed and I have an honorary doctorate from Alberta's magnus agnes all these things are steeped in education but it was really a decision to Kinda make a contribution to the world that has allowed me to do some really incredible extra things so yeah so it's a long way to say you know this kind of secures non traditional route and you have experienced some success but success really wasn't the reason it's been the result. Okay let's move onto your focused grist on today so a couple years ago. You founded the Connecticut Center for Arts and Technology also known as cut. Can you tell us more about its origins regions. Y started it and its actions today. Yes so calm. Cat is a replication reputation model. A Bill Strickland's Manchester Bidwell kind of historic iconic place in Pittsburgh Connecticut. Bill Strickland being to make the preeminent social entrepreneur in this country and so- bill's idea idea was to affect community through workforce development programs that were relevant to that geography and also our after school programs. And so this this idea of bills model coming to new haven those around two thousand eight two thousand nine. I was running a larger nonprofit here in new haven and the idea idea came through the community foundation for graven. And so you know the galvanized some folks one being my board chair now his name was Carlton Highsmith and and these folks got together and kind of talked about this idea. Bills Model living in new haven and once they kind of formed a group of people that would be the eight board of directors they then had to look for a CEO and president of founding president. They had heard about the work that I was doing here in New Haven at this other nonprofit organization and came to talk to me about the prospects of me kind of building a running contact and initially. I wasn't interested because it it was fraught with a lot of conflicts until I told them no and then they did a national search and it came back and asked me again and I made I had a conversation with my wife uh-huh and then also started reflecting on the dreams that I had of of enacting people. You know great away and being part of a national network. You're in so they came back. Ask me again and I said Yes com CA programmatic. We is made up of kind of three things. One workforce development which we have to medical training programs in football to me the other in medical billing and coding. We chose those two programs because again will even hospital being the largest support in new haven indicated to us from the beginning that they would need for the next fifteen years bottom and medical bills and colors and so logically logically. We design training programs based on IL. No even hospitals needs so there is a job from our training to fail so so there's a pathway to a job then I started thinking more deeply about black men especially who were coming home from incarceration and and admittedly I really hadn't given that much thought. And so you know what what could we do. That would allow men especially especially because for whatever reason men of color and men in general were not doing well in our medical training programs. I couldn't figure it out and so we said all right. What could we create that will allow these men and men of color especially to get a second chance on life and so for whatever reason culinary? Harry is very forgiving thing as it relates to folks who have been incarcerated and so we started thinking. You know kind of thought about the feasibility Lee of a culinary school knowing that is proliferation of restaurants in new haven so we built a culinary school downstairs from the initial space back to nine thousand square foot building with up to thirty percent of the folks who are in that program folks who have been incarcerated and also build build a social enterprise which is a forty seat restaurant in our culinary school which will allow our students to learn how to run a restaurant in front fronted house all the revenue that we make in their restaurant plows back into supporting our culinary school. So that's our adult training. Secondly we have arts after school and summer programming for kids and new haven hand in where these kids study have esteem program. In in the summer day studying motown originally from inception. Our kids studied the Harlem Renaissance. Because I wanted our young people to really understand the history of black people you coming off the hills of slavery migrating to a place called Harlem New York where they built their own community so it's really warming history and community building and so the kid studied that for five years during the summer for five summers and now they are studying on where we are moving through the time continuum to Detroit with this idea of community building is still alive and so then we also have in entrepreneurship Chemi where we are training. Young high school students throughout the state at this point started originally started with training high school students in new haven but because it was such a huge need of our young people to learn earned business principles and entrepreneurship mechanics. We said all right. Let's scale this effort statewide and so now. We have in Entrepreneurship Academy during the summer. Where there are high school students who come to us from Waterbury Bridgeport Hamden new haven and Meriden and some of those kids are so we have a high school division and we also have a college division and ten of our college students who are in our program and up going to Budapest US hungry to learn even more about international entrepreneurship so three legs of the stool? Now we then started. I awesome thinking about what is the next iteration of impact knowing that we have trained a critical mass of adults who are now seemingly more viable living in new haven who see life differently friendly right not just because they have a job but possibilities and help far beyond when they first engaged contact and so we myself in my I board chair created the Concorde which is a economic development social impact arm of our nonprofit where we are now actively buying property operative on Dick's while avenue with the intention and hope of building a place on this eight Acre footprint where we'll build a three hundred seat see performing Arts Center. We're going to build a fifteen restaurant food hall. Were building one hundred. Fifty one hundred seventy units of housing were building twenty twenty townhouses a fifty thousand square foot commercial building. Also a gallery and a supermarket will live in that space as well. So we're building a space to bring dignity beauty and utility to a swath of land and community that has been forgotten forgotten. In my opinion that has no beauty and dignity at this point. So that's what I'm working on again. That's an address to poverty. Like how how do we create an economic infrastructure in a community that has been impoverished for decades. So I'm working on many any questions about the first leg of con- cap so it seems very logical about how the culinary arts profession in contact kind of emerged because you said it was a very forgiving profession. So I guess I wonder what is the route that these formerly incarcerated men of color. Do they stay and work. I believe as Orchid Cafe or Greg question upgrade question so great question for a lot of reasons one some do stay and work at Orca cafe but because concord has been so successful at this point we've created three businesses this one we have orchid. We have organon green which is at the new Haven Library downtown and we've just opened a market called pedals market. Get your which is on the street across the street from the police station police station so those folks can go and work in those businesses but again because because we did feasability like would it be logical to build a culinary school with these folks have logical meaning. Would these folks. When they're finished our training naming would they have a job given the amount of restaurants in new haven absolutely feasibility total? Yes this would work and so our students go to. I mean we have students and the Union League we have students at Saint. We have students all over new haven and the restaurants and we have the students who are opening their own businesses which is the ideal situation one namely who opened a Vegan food truck. Right there on college street. Her name was pariah. IMPRE is right there right next to the green. Yeah so check it out so so yeah so so that was the that was the idea. These folks leave are trained in six months training rigorous comprehensive training and then they go to various places in and around Asia. Uh It's about eighty percent job placement today. Yeah and then my second question is about the education collegue for students. It's very important to learn about your people's history and I guess how do you see the arts essential to that you know for me to witnessed from being the founder and looking at our young people. Tom Produce art is them kind of having an idea. And then that idea being actually on paper whether it be a painting whether it be a digital design. And whether it'd be a photograph they had an idea that has now manifested in hanging until we have an art gallery as well. That idea is now hanging on Awang. Aw and to be able to think and then actually produce that thing and finish something very powerful thing for young people with Special Ed Eh. Not even to mention that actually hanging in an art gallery and so we use as a vehicle for academic achievement and to think about life differently differently in deeply if I can look at something and get it into view and then take a picture of it and then that pitcher now tells chameleon stories but the beginning of it was I thought about it and I bought it interview and you can translate that to life for our young people. People especially who are coming from flowing means right. These people for the most part are struggling and so so that in and of itself. It's a lesson. Listen in life for them. My builds confidence the bills curiosity and once you have curiosity and confidence that to me that is under girded by trust they are trusting in the process and trusting the people who are directing them to do. The things that they are doing is a very different narrative outside side of comcast and their communities. I think the arts delivers as an aesthetic beauty. That for the most part they wouldn't see right. If something can deliver beauty than Kinda dignifies who you are and some kind of strange way. Would I failed to mention. Was the design design of Conchita. Wish you are in there. Hopefully you'll be there one day you'll come on very intentional. A huge ingredient of our successes the design and how the place looks right open space. Pride colors natural sunlight. Wherever you wherever you are walking jazz being played art on the wall? Aw Flowers all over the place that we believe that these are ingredients that transformed the minds of people who have been marginalized if in fact big so you feel good in the place that was built for you then you can think differently about who you can be so this idea of beauty connected to dignity. He's huge for us especially our young people so I think the arts kind of provides an aesthetic in a beauty that allows or listed dreams that our young people anywhere so the space that you're creating and envisioning right now. I guess I'm I'm just curious. About what the design process is likely who are. The people participate in West Virginia so we just hired an architect and it was one of the four or five architects who designed the African American History Museum in DC. How yeah he's he's? He's on board as part of our team and we have a developer. WHO's local who is name is Eve Joseph and his partner station broadening and Peter Cook is an architect that I I mentioned from Hda? And so what we're trying trying to build is a eight Acre footprint and it's a plaza called plaza that is for the most part in disrepair and has been definitely neglected and so the design idea is not to build a super block but build a space that is walkable and embracing to the community. While at the same time you know using a lot of glasses adding amenities in that space base. That Harken back to the incredible history of Dick Swell community as relates to jazz in the arts. So we'll have an art gallery will have a performing arts center in a museum for those purposes and so it's a huge a space. That hopefully doesn't feel cumbersome and feels incredibly audibly welcoming in walkable and and also a part of that is to hopefully engaged downtown. You know yell is two three blocks away. Hey from where we are we will be building and for whatever reason in my opinion Yale. Students don't walk past tropical smoothie or they don't for League place I'll say I'll give it another forty feet so so we want and and we hope that Dick Swell Community Newhall Ville community and the community will at some point engage one another in really experienced the best of of each other but at the same time. Admittedly we want to bring beauty and dignity and utility to a black that community that sorely needs and deserves it that is really the thrust of it so it seems like you're very active role in the new haven community. You could you share some more thoughts about what your hopes are for the young in relation Joe Quick Question. My relationship in terms of aspects with the Ale is very limited. I mean often but I do believe that. This city goes as far as its relationship is with the L. Life if the relationship with Yale is not one of functionality and progression that I think this city will be very limited but in terms of its living out his potential and not because gale some kind of powerful institution that the city needs what I just think having grown up in Norwalk and lived in Bridgeport Villes. Two cities are very different from new haven. Because there's no gale in those two cities I am so to the extent that the city can have a functional and progressive relationship with the L.. I think is better for people. I think I would love to see to your question. Yale students more engaged in community. I think a lot of times is it's been my experience. Appearance said Gail students or professors kind of engaged community folks on the kind of event lead right and not a real authentic take kind of relationship building model and I just think that this is so much to learn between the two of the town down in the Gal that I think. It's a shame that were not fully. You come see the potential of a real authentic and beautiful relationship between sitting in school. I really I really believe that. I know there's a lot of history of not from the navy and if I know there's a lot of history between the gale and the city that I'm Kinda learning and listening to but I think the two should learn to live together functionally and lovingly at some point because it only makes a better place for everybody. I really believe that I do have a larger relationship with the hospital. Go to one trustee. Am and I think that's an incredible institution is while incredible like Hail University. And I think the hospitals also a huge engine for this for this city and the functioning of this city. So I don't know I don't know there's such a long history between the city and the school that almost feel disrespectful trying to answer a question around what it should be. Well I can give you my experience. I think there are people at this university war. You're absolutely incredible. I have yet to be a person or have been in contact or relationship with a person from this university who didn't treat me respectfully and intrigue the work that I'm doing and the place where I do that work with a deep sense of respect and admiration. I can't see that's been the experience of the people that has been my spirit so I'll just say that awfully. Okay so I guess moving back to specific spaces icon Caton so I know orca cafe. There's a monthly event called newhaven storytelling tallying cycle the picture of the words that say everyone has a story. So what does this event mean to you and Community Building and union. I'm great question so that story telling me haven was the brainchild of dear friend of mine to friends of mine. Karen Boys Wall in our husband Kevin Wall and they they believe and I think they were inspired by the community leadership program that was created by Bill Grafstein this power story and there are so many stories in new haven even especially in our communities that are worthy of being heard and told and so they came to me with the idea of the storyteller newhaven and that alcon cat being kind of a community citadel in Northville could we host this idea that Karen Kevin had and so I of of course yes and what it's done is it has brought people from all walks of life within new haven outside of new haven to new orchid cafe. On the second Monday I believe of every month. They are at Orchid cafe. And we set up in this about sixty the seventy people. Sometimes we have enough room. There are two stories that are told people who selected today out tell and the usually. They're two you totally opposite stories from people who I know who. I never even knew that these things for part of their life and their life's narrative but it's just a huge an incredible and powerful community building vehicle. Why we're all these people from all walks of life are at Orca cafe listening to two people story and comparing those stories to their own lives and it just allows you to know each other a little better a little more authentically? So it's just really CEPAL. Are there any specific stories that stand out to you. Oh Man Yeah I think bill. Gross Times story was really incredible. He tells the story of his life and the story of bills academic here at the L.. Who taught doc archaeology and geology? and He Kinda compares. The idea of finding bones to like finding finding oneself is interesting really interesting and bills wanted the most incredible human beings. You'll ever meet so I think his story. It really stands out to me. That was really deep story and earlier you mentioned pedals market. Could you tell us more about its function and the neighborhood that resides them. So what happened was the university reached south to me and asked if we could meet and Lawrence called say. Hey can I come over. We sat and talked and we had some subsequent meetings after that and she had this idea of collaboration between US com cat concord and Yale University where they had this kind of twelve hundred square foot building that was sitting right across the street from the police department. Uh and they wanted to find a way to provide services this to the new residential colleges because those young people people in order to get snacks or whatever they would need had to kind of walk across to Broadway or other places where they could be walking right up the street street and so she wanted to see if we would take over this building where we would provide that those have food services to the community and Dan to those new residential colleges those students and so after negotiating a lease. We chose to do it. And Kinda here you are pedals market market and it's been really successful. Thus far it is a way also talked about community. It is a way to bring L. students. Ill Police Department and the community together at this place in this market until until a way of using food to bring people together in one space and it's been really successful so far and so that's kind of the genesis so earlier you also mentioned that you serve on various various sports. So how do you see all of your roles kind of tied together the work that you do so let me listen. So I'm on the State Board of it. I chaired the board of the Housing Authority. New Haven on the board of New Haven Bank and trust the hospital strategically I say yes. Yes to those board overtures because those are the things I feel that have confounded the black community for decades. He's now right issues of health issues of economics shows of housing until I wanted to be on these boards to be able to understand and learn in a deep way how these institutions function so so I can carry that information back to the community or in our work and be more effective until and I missed education. That's why AH I said Yes to those wars and now I chaired the board called the Partnership for Connecticut which is a partnership Michelle Delio philanthropies. The other with the state of Connecticut to do two things one to address disconnected youth in Connecticut and also Inspires Social Entrepreneurship and community. Enterprises in concrete microfinance frameworks in communities of poverty in Connecticut. And I said yesterday that one because because I think it's an incredible mission and it speaks to addressing poverty readily secondly it's philanthropy. I think there needs to be more people of color especially black people in philanthropic institutions. So my saying yes. One is out of duty to who is to to learn and bring those learnings to the community so speaking of learning. What are the most important things things you think you've learned throughout your career dialogue about myself or just learning in in general both buff Gaza? I think my biggest lesson and I say this that is often used to that. I've been very blessed to be successful. I to experience some success but the more success experienced more evil. I see that not only moving up the ladder. bootle moving into brooms that. Not only you know two. They opened the doors. We know there was a door there and sitting in those rooms allows me to see a lot of things. I didn't want to see right for here what I didn't want to hear because it just reaffirmed what I thought so I'll say that also that's a huge learning but I readily go into those rooms. I learned that probably more visionary than I gave myself credit poor. I didn't know what was the thing right. I I see something in kind of kind of go back and put that the thing that I see together I learn that the only way to solve the issues of the world is to have a deep abiding love with humanity no matter the race no matter the culture that you have to love people more than they hate you and I learned how to fail fail early and often fail L. quite a bit but there's some very powerful in failing you know though so kind of key learnings Nobu very broad but the learnings Irving's motherless and so moving up from the past and into the future what do you hope to see in new haven and in Connecticut in the future. I hope to see people who have the Maine's to address poverty. Have the courage to do so. I gather and I may maybe wrong that I think people want to address poverty adults who have the means but they don't WanNa be around poor people while they do it and I I think people don't WanNa be around poor people because being in proximity to that suffering makes themselves reflect on how they got over I want to see people courageously living out their lives in the environment for those folks to do that and that has to be an environment environment of empathy environment of courage environment of of love and no fear. I think that I think people walk in this world Definitely afraid I wanna see that diminish stories or Iraq did and I WANNA see. Ultimately the vitality of the young people be joined with the wisdom wisdom of the elders. I think right now older people are afraid of of young people do and and they are not enjoying the fruits of of each other's labor side. I think if our young people can sit with the the wisdom of our older people I think this world will will take a different direction. I think there's so many stories powerful stories needs to be told about what not to do. You know that aren't told because there's no connection between the young and the old I think what makes it the university so powerful that every day you are walking into wisdom of people who were three hundred four hundred years ago so right and there's an expectation that they said while you walk in these halls that not only do you know in word but you feel off you know and I think that could be a model in our communities that will be very powerful. You know this incredible. Oh history here in history. There's an expectation and you walk in it every day. You could feel it. You are connected to the past in a deep way as chart the future so I think if our communities could experience that it would be different here from the L.. Sustainable Food Program. This has been chewing the follow. Eric Kahn cats work on twitter instagram at Khan cat underscore. This episode was produced by Amy Jong. Thomas Hakin and myself early mixing by Ryan mcevoy the Broadcast Studio Studio Music by Eddie Joan. Tonio Lewis Felice Artwork by Logan Howard program support by Jacqueline Mono Jeremy Oldfield no macy and marked Bomford special things to Pearson College the Yell Center for the Study of race indignity and transnational migration for supporting visit as always. We'll see you in two weeks.

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Nonprofits and New Haven: Driving Food-Centered Inclusion

Chewing the Fat

25:45 min | 1 year ago

Nonprofits and New Haven: Driving Food-Centered Inclusion

"Welcome to join the fact. The Yale sustainable food programs. Podcasts looks at people making change in the complex world of ood and agriculture. I'm your host Irwin. -Ly as physical distancing measures continue in the city of new haven. A number of food related organizations have expanded their work to serve people in the new Haven Food Policy Councils collaborative working group that advises the on local and regional food issues the other week it held its regular monthly meeting over zoom gathering. Many of the city's food activists nonprofit leaders and more. It was a powerful look at many efforts in calls to action happening across the ecosystem of Naven. These developments had is thinking about a story that one of our students amy. John have been working on earlier this year. She'd been looking at havens food. Landscape listening to organizations share why they wanted to create change on food related issues. What followed were amazing accounts of people each working in their own ways to center inclusion. I think these stories help explain. At least some of new haven's unique food work and why people care so much about supporting one. Another right now. Take a listen. And the city of new haven there is a robust ecosystem surrounding food centered community building. Grassroots organizations play diverse roles in using food and agriculture to bring people together and to strengthen the city in particular some nonprofit spring forth to bolster the inclusion of marginalized populations. I wanted to learn more. About how the city's vibrant urban context uniquely gives rise to in Sports. This kind of work Leeann has some really fierce advocates food system. Advocates housing advocate anti-racism organizers. There's really vibrant arts and culture community in not to say that any of these things surprised me but while I was a graduate student at Yale I wasn't as engaged in these things. I was focusing on international development in tropical resources while I was in graduate school so a lot of my focus was toward other places but now as a non student. I'm really thrilled to be part of this vibrant active small city. That was a swami. The city's director of food systems policy a position uncommon too many municipalities across the nation. This role is a direct product. The time and energy of new haven's food activists who wanted to put concerns related to the food system on the table of policymaking role within the city government gives her a high level perspective of different actors on the ground contribute to the local food landscape at large. There's a lot of unpaid advocacy. Were these issues and topics but there are several community gatherings such as dinners and events. I'm sure you've heard of for example sanctuary kitchen. There used to be events through the new haven food policy council in with local culinary experts and catering specialists. There's a lot of opportunity to also kind of like dig in the dirt together in like learn about how we grow and produce food. So there's the love fed initiative that is really active in working with youth than other people in the community. We have doing a mad. Trust newham farms which is now merged into a new organization and they do a lot of activities in their community gardens that are spread out throughout the city. There's a lot of community farm based wellness health programs in education their culinary programs in the senior centers. They're just a variety of ways. That community comes together around food and I am sure I am missing a million things. Food has the ability to drive economic development within the local refugee community people who resettled face unique challenges in adjusting to a new life and this includes finding a new job. The city is home to a resettlement agency called Integrated Refugee and immigrant services or Irish. For Short it was founded in nineteen eighty two a year nestled in the longtime period during which the US lead the world in terms of the number of refugees welcomed inside its borders and even though the national refugee admissions cap has now dropped to historic lows newhaven continues to welcome refugees and Iris continues to operate having resettled three hundred thirty people in twenty seventeen and one hundred twenty in two thousand eighteen. I spoke with Sumaya. Khan the founder of sanctuary kitchen. We run refugee. Emigrant lead cooking classes and supper clubs and other culinary events where we partner with other organizations and businesses that highlight the cultures and the stories of the refugees and immigrants that we work with. And actually how I'm GONNA joined back in two thousand seventeen. She was sponsored by Jay Carr the Jewish Community Alliance for Refugee Resettlement and they approached us and said on as an amazing Kirk and she wants to get involved. So ominous was in the first batch of chefs who hosted supper clubs where she prepared these beautiful Syrian dinners where in in the host and the guest would get together with Anna and eat her food together and she would share her story and get an they would get to know each other. So these events we do about three to four events a month and then last year we launched our catering social enterprise and that's when Carol joined with her expertise to really build out our catering program and this is an opportunity for refugee and immigrant chefs to actually have employment and get professional development training but the goal is to again provide regular employment with a livable wage and then provide training opportunities for the woman to gain the skills that they can get for gainful employment afterwards and for most of the women at this is our first like professional experience and for women in particular you know they face a lot more barriers to employment and then when you add in language and not having a community it becomes even more challenging. Urban Agriculture on the other hand has recently gained a surge of attention for its ability to tackle food insecurity with its community gardens and farms. This is especially pertinent in new haven as it is populated by low income residents and urban areas that lack easy access to affordable and fresh foods in response to this city seed a nonprofit that helps Maya launch thing. Trae kitchen regularly operates farmers markets that allow shoppers receiving snap benefits to get locally. Grown Healthy Produce Raven Blake who was born and raised in new haven. Is another food advocate. Who HOPES THAT? Urban Agriculture will help create an equitable food system in the city. She and her friend to Sean. Harris Co founded the love fed initiative and. Her area of entrusts doesn't seem too surprising given her family history. I remember distinctively going grocery shopping in my early twenties one time with a friend and they were shopping with me and I was like. They're just kind of keeping me company while Grocery shopping and then I'm grabbing fresh produce and they're like way you get you don't get canned green beans and I'm like wait. Why would I get cranky? There's the first ones right here and I think that sucker because we both grew up here like wait what your perspective was food different from mine and thinking back to where that comes from and I think that's very much a part of my like family. History is that on both sides of my family. My father's make moms African American and third new haven are here so from my father's side. They were farmers in Jamaica. And then on my mom's side they're farmers down south only a generations ago and when they migrated up north for better opportunities and things like that they were also doing urban agriculture. They didn't call it that they were just living and growing food as they know it. Like if you have land or you have a home. Then you're going to also grow food on it the team. I love that helps. People grow their own food and promotes localized agriculture within new haven. They do this by connecting with residents in helping them set up garden beds in their own backyards. Which would become fertile sources fresh produce? Not only do barriers of entry exists for immigrants and refugees resettling newhaven other barriers and disparities exist locally such as a lack of representative leadership across various sectors newhaven majority minority city and the African American community makes up the largest minority group here however this demographic makeup is not reflected in the leadership roles across the city loved that aims to tackle this challenge. We Co founded the organization both being black young born and raised in new haven. He has a background in urban farming. And I haven't culinary background as I was telling you before. We met through gardening at our community garden and he helped me to build garden beds for my house and we'd always need up in find ourselves talking about food and kind of changes that we wanted to see in the city and we never saw people who look like ourselves or other community members that live in new haven or in. Connecticut leading nonprofit organizations such as the ones existing in new haven love balancing trade kitchen book during important food related work in the city. However it's important to recognize that they exist and interact with a dynamic food systems ecosystem composed of many interrelated parts. That's unique to new haven. Let's kind of unique about. New Haven is the size of the city in the kind of different parts of the food system that represented by various organizations. So like I mentioned at Food Policy Councils end elsewhere. Small Business Owners interact with people who are experiencing Hungary who are working at health clinics who are new parents who are trying to start community gardens and I think that the size of the city allows for a lot of these advocates to meet and talk with each other and I think that's a bit unique as compared to New York where you have little pockets in kind of like specific communities around these early urban gardeners so we all work together and they might not interact as much with breastfeeding advocates. But here in new haven. I've noticed that there's a lot of intermixing building power across these issues because a lot of people see them as food system issues that cross cutting in hopes to support port each other in their work. We'll be right back. Hey I'm your host Irwin. The if you're enjoying this episode. So far please subscribe share and leave us a review. Your support empowers and inspires us. Tell more stories and reach more people like you in other words. You're helping US yes. Thank you for listening back to the show while different actors enter the new haven food landscape from their own distinct ingle and personal history. One common thread that connects some of them is the importance of visible representation than having your story heard in particular sanctuary kitchen and its food gathering. Serve AS A Bridge Building. Platform that facilitates cultural exchange between different residents. Who all call new haven home. What we've witnessed through sanctuary kitchen and the people who participate both from the shafts. The community from the staff are these connections that are made at otherwise really difficult to make so to spend to come to a turn of events. I mean this is usually sometimes their first exposure to somebody from Syria from Sudan from Pakistan. And you know they might have heard about them from the news or from you know headlines but when they're actually face to face and sharing a meal with our chefs I mean. They're getting a human story and learning that they're just like the rest of us in terms of wanting safe home opportunities for their families education for their kids and that no one willingly leaves their home unless they have no other options. Almeida a refugee chef at thing trae kitchen sherzer experiences working there and how it has helped her connect parts of her past with present to adopt a new life in America. I worked with some Turkish and to give us an to work with them. Very good idea for the woman the counter new country on different kosher. The system here is very good work. They have 'em here to dish us about how to grow business like food and give us through nitty on for like no just me also for the woman. No speak English specially when he came to hear out any which is very hard to find job. Lot Bad on the other hand uses farming education to facilitate the representation of African American history and agriculture. Another one of our campaigns is urban farming education which is available at some places in some programs for youth in the city but also it doesn't specifically address history as far as like black farmers at all so there's no real historical context. It's more of an environmental approach or just this is why you should just grow food. Because it's good for your health to make deeper connection for people. They need to see themselves reflected in what they're doing so there needs to be a narrative in context in history in connection that needs to be made to a mainstream audience. Worked Lafayette does. Urban farming may seem like a newer trend but the organization wants to dispel that myth by sharing a history that has been somewhat erased and they just didn't call urban farming so that's kind of the pilots and I'm just like yeah. This is like oh. Yeah every barring. Nag We do roof tiles. Cd This this is cool. Like okay yeah. But it's not new. There are a lot of white lead nonprofits. Who are doing this work too. So I think for younger people coming up new haven especially if they're black and Brown. They don't see themselves running these organizations demystifying that people don't grow their own food is definitely one thing and for La Fed being black organization. It's understanding the nuances of. Why especially black folks have feelings around food or farming in particular in urban farming? There's a lot of associations still with our history of knowing just like okay. You don't do this type of work because this type of work reminds folks of slavery right so unpacking that in kind of creating healing space in conversations around what is actually when you are farming and there's a sense of empowerment that comes with it. There's just so many other things like to have a relationship to the land is actually healing and a lot of ways in therapeutic. There are just so many benefits that come from growing your own food one just being like you can sustain yourself. There's a self resiliency narratives especially is very important to be intention unclear butter the narratives and and what's being said as these food center nonprofits work hard to dig into amplify certain marginalized narratives within the city. Ba- facilitate avenues for those in their target populations to come together to strengthen bonds and build power raven clarifies. How urban farming fits into? Today's modern context by firming how the generational roots of urban farming may be more widespread than we think a lot of people no matter what their background is. Heaven Agrarian Lineage for folks who were born and raised in the United States especially for folks who are immigrants like folks have a long history in their family of folks who grew food and even when they were initially placed in two or migrated to urban areas. They were still growing their own food. But urban farming is still not without its modern day challenges especially regarding land access. Urban areas have a greater population density and development. Projects are not an uncommon sight and new haven a lot of our our problems from an urban ag standpoint or food access in housing development. Go Hand in hand with land and power dynamics in the city so I've been interested in having more conversations with people around those things. So in what ways can we organize potentially together around basically the same issue it's land like coups being pushed out or moved around or what's happening. There is placement then may not just be a faraway issue that refugees from far corners of the globe face. It's a local issue affecting vulnerable populations that lurks in the very communities. We live in recognition of this problem and giving it its due attention key steps towards creating more inclusive solutions. Meanwhile the refugee chefs to experience their own. Form of displacement nations across the world have converged inside seeing trade kitchen. They built community together through food amongst chefs never in Syria or in Afghanistan. Would you have Sudanese woman and Afghan woman a Syrian woman? An Iraqi woman sitting together Role IN GRAPE LEAVES. Almanac has also created her own dish. That has gained broad community appreciation at city seats farmers markets. When I came about Sanjay kitchen thought me I went dishes. They ask me how to how to make Mohammed. I know the different way but when I asked they told me different what I remember because I didn't was due this guy in Mohammed Atta on us my mom and my brother my brother Shay Middle East Put in Saudi Arabia Five Stars and he said there and he he tells me and I ask him about this guy in this momento hidden told me and after he told me. I don't like that US before him. I both some from them and from my recipe and I make one dish named Mohammed Atta. This might also be a didn't get this far from my mom or from my country. I make this has a cult following this great delicious. Explain what's in it. Yeah yeah this is very halsey one. That was On Yemen olive oil but began. Malicious is on the hot sauce. Pepper dishes is very healthy and fresh. It's a dip Pratt or go to market you. One of our most popular and many people have tried to recreate it and have a failed. Try it like this. Then sit anyone to make a special dish. Definitely be something special thaw the refugee chefs. Sap trae kitchen and Raven came to be a new haven for different reasons and the parts they play in the complex food landscape of the city differ as well but they all call the city home and they all shed light on a particular need of the city be at a central policy avenue connecting the landscape to the city government or the integration of newly arrived refugees or access to land in fresh produce in urban context organizations like. Saint trae kitchen and love. Fed are two puzzle pieces. Fill important niche in the city's food ecosystem. They provide a particular solution to a particular problem. But what about the bigger puzzle that is the ELM citys food system at large with all of its problems and correspondingly? All of its possibilities of change. Here's Raven on the Vision Party. Love Fed recently hosted. We want to have a vision boarding party. This is around the time of the year the end of the year or the beginning of the New Year where people get together how we want to map out our lives and we thought how do we want with Lauren. Kim Who was in our young adult program her and I were thinking. What do we do as far as like a story telling around food and environmental justice and so this idea of the Vision Board? He came because it was like what would it look like for community members of a place in May making space for people who identifies by indigenous people of color coming together in solidarity and communally sharing food coming together? Envisioning what we want the change to be in our food systems because we know that they're not broken but working just how they were meant to in that is to enact and engaging like this food apartheid but what would it look like if we in our wildest dreams or at least starting right in this place of trying to imagine and get out of what we know already exist but what would it look like if something like breastfeeding was supported more so in society or if we had more farmers of color throughout the day or if land was accessible or just from the process of production to distribution what do all these sectors kind of look like in. How would we WANNA see that? Change happen and it was really interesting but because there's also a thing we see as a first step in kind of a longer process of in a more intentional in like action oriented way. What do we do with this information? That is the next thing like we could also potentially use it for bettering the programming of love fed and taking it to different folks when it comes to policy. Because we also know anything's GONNA change if we can't change them as far as legislatively. So how do we take this information and use it to our best of Our Future? Not only does the visiting party represent a slice of the enthusiastic energy of new haven's cross-cutting community activists it also reflects her optimistic hopes for more inclusive also abilities in the future. The hopes to use her unique policy platform to translate some of these efforts Boston possibilities until policy. I hope that the newly even food system will continue to grow to meet the current and future needs of all its residents as they so desire like I said. I don't want to be too prescriptive in people's needs and demands change over time so I can say that one thing is that I hope that there's increased awareness about all the amazing and meaningful passionate work. That's already being done around food. Systems in new haven in part of the various networks and a part of I think this can look like local regional national even international recognition. I also hope that more people start thinking about the issues around food more systemically how legacies of oppression have continued to shape the food system in through this increased awareness. I hope that kind of helps reframe how we approach some of these issues. The policies the programs how organizations can position themselves the fruits entered coalition building in New Haven. Strikes me the city more equitable home for all its residents the general kind of mentally? I gotTA leave this place to do whatever work? I think. There's a lot of opportunity oftentimes when we think things are missing from a place. That's where there's the other way of looking at it in shifting. Your perspective is like we're those avoid like there's also an opportunity newhaven food activists are unafraid. To point out the things that's missing and the city landscape and more importantly they are unafraid. To imagine an actualize all the possibilities of change From the Yale Sustainable Food Program. This has been chewing the fat the episode notes. You'll find great list of covert nineteen resources compiled by the new haven food policy council. We also wanted to spotlight love fed and sanctuary kitchens efforts today. Lafayette is continuing. Its home farms campaign to empower new haven residents with their own garden beds to learn more about this initiative and love Fed more generally visit love. Fed newhaven dot org or follow them on Instagram at love. Fed and H V. Sanctuary kitchen is providing pickup and delivery meals during this pandemic for more information visit sanctuary kitchen dot org or follow them on Instagram at sanctuary kitchen. Ct City seed. It's parent organization has also organized preorder pickups at its farmers markets with additional benefits for snap recipients special. Thanks to Amna. Sally carrol buyer alka race but the Swamy Raven Blake and Samaya con for speaking with us. This episode was produced by Alexis Dinger. Amy Zhang Linlin Sasha's Amina Thomas Hagan and myself early mixing by Ryan mcevoy the broadcast studio music by Eddie Joe. Antonio and Luis Felice Artwork by Logan Howard program support by Jacqueline. No GERMY Oldfield. 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66. Thief (1981)

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66. Thief (1981)

"They I'm joined today on for cast and crew had to remind myself it's been a while we've been on vacation for few weeks and in season two as we know I'm joined by people. I love to talk about movies. We Love James James and I go back. I was trying to think when I met you. Were both from New Haven Connecticut. Yeah I can tell you where it was. Daily Catholic eight percent so the daily cafe was a very nineties newhaven townie yearly Tessa. You're the model Barista before that was the thing you didn't call yourself a Barista nineteen ninety two. I did call myself a model I had been had been a male mom. I was actually thinking about this listeners. Since it's an auditory medium can't say this but when I met you in new haven in the late eighties early nineties you were you were in our a strikingly handsome handsome man. Well yes of course but I would say that inside. You never carried yourself like that. No and I still don't I even though I'm I'm fully aware of this so james when I met James if you look at James on the exterior and you were read all like counterculture you would think of God. Here is a Lichfield Fairfield county a Lacrosse player. Ross playing Bro. I say hold on head to Toe Polo K.. Head to Toe Polo including in your excellent apartment. Which you had on Chapel Street I believe in downtown new haven all all everything was Polo? Your towels I remember that you had polo towels true or not true probably true. No you had polo towels and they might have even had and your initials on them. They certainly did not. Yeah well I was was overcompensating for sense of interior already. Yes sense of inferiority and self loathing right okay. So that's another thing that we shared at the time we bonded and for a number of years jams men. We were close. We were like brothers. We did every together in new haven. We told each other everything. I think it's what you would call the good old battled adult days. There were good day. They were good days they were they were. There was fun before it stopped being fun. Yes and we also we. We rode that train well into it stopping being fun. Oh yeah and luckily we both got off that train. Yes long ago and that's why we're here today because if we hadn't gone off the train James You and I would not be sitting here. I doubt it. We'd probably be at bar drinking. Koran Connex pickling ourselves so on our fourth or fifth breath wife. Well I think we'd both be dead but if we were alive yes on reviewer for listeners familiar with downtown new haven the cool the happening thanks scene in the early nineties was a place called bar yet still the happening. Is it which I think. It's something about about new haven but it was a scene. It was the first much like Deli cafe. Hey was a harbinger of cafe. Culture to come bar. Was this kind of ahead of its time. Pretty big cavernous very A. How would you call the designer? Who will like clubs bows brick? Yeah not not fancy but had an attitude like James and I think both felt a sense of. We have arrived when we got what. We're called bar cards. which were we ever get those yes? I don't think I ever got a bar card was a metal an actual piece of metal bar on if you had a bar card you gotta get mine get right in and go up to James Mentioning Keratin atomics because of course course in the ninety S. We thought we were so sophisticated by not just drinking gin and tonics. We were drinking stolley Koran which into flavors no absolute there was absolute. ooh Yeah of course because absolute was like the prep school thousands. And you know what. We had a Martini phase to not to bore your listeners anymore but there was the Martini phase which I think ended the night. That guy picked me up by my neck. All that came out of of a blackout a hanging by a person's arm. Probably because you mouthed off you know I think actually I didn't. I don't I think that that was I think that and I remember. I think you told me. Hey that was a That was not your fault. That guy just came really well. I can't remember that kind of face. You know people like touchable punishable. You know lies in how I think you. He also had evolved sense of right and wrong. And I'm sure that if that guy was engaging in some behavior that you deemed wrong you probably were not shy. I like to think that that's what it was. I was helping somebody in distress anyway. Full Price Frank. Was the name of the bartender who now will actually owns bar just to show you. That's right you know. We used to make fun of this guy because has james and our barflies. Literally I lived around the corner. He lived around the corner. We were there conservatively. We make fun of him. We just thought that because he was so seemed very upright in a place where everybody else was kind of falling down well and also he wouldn't give us free drinks didn't give. That was really the root of my problem. That's the full. The price frank highly developed sense of. Hey if I'm here five nights a week now I understand it. The reason why we weren't getting free drinks is that we were there five nights a week and we were an annoying presence rapidly. Yes so he also did not come into the daily cafe so the daily cafe was a part of this ecosystem. I'm in new haven where you probably got a lot of goods and services through your wishes daily campaign you could dispense free coffee yes and treats yes and then go somewhere else. It was Seth Reed said to me once he said. This is the closest thing to socialism. It will ever will ever get and it really was that we're here to discuss awesome movie that James You chose. Yeah and I was so happy to hear you choose it because much like the early nineties. Michael Mann's thief which came out in one thousand nine hundred. One one was a part of my life in that same era that I jump into the Michael Mann World so glad to revisit that world into revisit is it this movie so many of his films are on my my my favorite spending top ten list of one hundred films that I cram into ten. Why why this movie for You James? When did you first? It's it's funny that you ask that because I was thinking about. I never saw thief in a theater so if you think back to the time the movie comes out in the eighties early eighties. It's his first feature film. Yes but I watched that movie in the nineties it must have been on video. Brings US back at in new haven watch so many movies you know to the whatever it was Tommy KS or a blockbuster don't even know who else was well. I know super listener. Ben Is screaming the answer to the video store right on Chapel Street actually pretty much below your apartment that we used to go to but I can't remember the name of it. He reduce remember that the other day. But I still can't remember it wasn't Tommy K now tummy cases out by Hampton Hampton. Anyway so I think that that's where I watched it and I probably took interest in that movie because I was a huge fan. Dan of Miami Vice Charen so I thought Michael Man you know. I know that name. Let me get this tape and I watched it and it's a great movie and there you have it. Okay thanks thanks for coming in James. Yeah good analysis so thief Lotta Times gets compared to his magnum opus heat. Beat which my wife just asked me. She's like have you not done heat yet on the podcast because for twenty years she is heard me talk about heat. Watch heat over and over and over again but thief is really where the Michelman thing begins and so many of the tropes and the things that he's famous for as filmmaker are fully fully developed. Already in this movie. I think I think is a better movie than He. I think it's a great movie. I really enjoy it. But it's a little long and You know a little bit too unwieldy I would say I think you can. You can see the essence of what it is. Michelman does in thief and and I think he does a little bit better there. I you know to me. They're just so they're different things. Even though like a lot of heat is sort of thematically league very similar to thief. It's sort of like doing it again with a much. Larger cast a much larger budget and a much greater command filmmaking and different a different story a different setting thief like many first films is such a love letter and is based in his youth in Chicago. It's such at Your Chicago movie. Many of the actors in the film grew up in the same Chicago neighborhood as Michael Man. And I think that and I'm a crime fiction fan guy too and always have been so for me. This movie takes a lot of the boxes in the best crime fiction in that. Good guys bad guys very blurred know each other much like in heat. You know sitting down having those sit downs which in heat or a little bit more elevated in less violent at first I than the ones that take place here where the cops are. Basically the bad guys extorting frank played by James Caan for a piece of the action for ten percent of his end of the cut. I think the other problem with heat is it they really had to struggle without Pacino. What are you talking about? Are you serious right now. Trying to me on a huge out here at listen. That's fine. You're not here to share my opinions. But I mean and also Chino in heat is I mean. That's pretty good Al I mean Pretty Great Al Pacino Preferences and recently Where they talked about Al Pacino and his over over the top performance and they said that the reason why he played it that way because he was supposedly You know like a coke fiend. So he was like a coked up cop and that's not true. Yeah Yeah I didn't think so. I mean there's nothing in the film to support that but somebody wrote a rather large long now. Some somebody wrote that on the Internet. It's on the Internet so basically you figured out that that was true. Yeah true well look. We can digress into heat if you really want to. But I mean I think that let's keep the focus here to thief because we don't have the time to get into all the ways that you're wrong about heat right now so let's get into. Let's play a little clip from the film. It's a master criminal. Who wants out and and he gets sucked back in? I mean pretty much. Probably every major crime movie in the history of films always involves some variation on that theme in this in this film. James Caan which I think actually I would say James Caan greatest film role. Sonny Corleone was well the most famous film role and it certainly certainly conic forever for but in terms of what he gets to do in this movie he gets to do a lot more than he usually is offered the opportunity to do in in any other movies. Yeah it doesn't well these terrific in this move. He's really nice it is. I think it is a masterpiece and I guess I'd have to look through to see what other movies he's done. But this is has got to be among the best Jason with a quick interjection one of the Funny Things about James Caan career is actually some of the movies. He turned down. These were movies that he was offered starring roles in that proved to be success for other actors. The French connection one flew over the CUCKOO's nest close encounters of the third kind Kramer vs Kramer Apocalypse. Now now bladerunner love story and Superman about turning down Kramer versus Kramer concert with such middle-class Boo Baloney correct of apocalypse. Now now he turned down because Coppola mentioned something about sixteen weeks in the Philippine jungles. I think it turned out to be two years in the Philippine jungles however he would have been in apocalypse now and about superman he he said. I didn't want to wear the Cape which just goes to prove the old adage not all heroes wear capes back to my conversation with James about thief the whole first. I like eleven to fourteen. Minutes of the film is a heist it's a jewel heist and the first of many Michael Man themes is represented the first heist which is extreme competence extreme criminal competence the discipline to throw away the cash and the bonds. John's and all the other stuff that's in the safeties cracking and go for the uncut diamonds. which he knows has the greatest value and the least traceability when he goes to visit his fence? which is the scene that we're GONNA take a look at right here? What do you make the SL one got one and a half to three jared sprint? Five hundred fifty thousand wholesale hundred eighty five thousand four. I'll take me so finally. Have someone swing around Mon.. Look these people WanNa meet meecham bought the Steno guys I WANNA meet people go to country club on whether you want me to put something out on the street Barry will collect it on the breadth of three Xinyu W money three months money goes in the back. You put your money on steady it. It's everything in here is relevant. There's no there's no waste in the movie. There's no dialogue. That goes on too long. There's no seeing saying that that lingers too long there's no music you listen to music in the background there and it's like it's terrific. It's at Chicago Blues Music. It's like to me I. I really think this is a terrific movie where there's really no there's no waste. It's incredibly economical. Also I think about a third of the movie is is wordless action which is incredibly impressive when you watch it just because nowadays everything is so specific and on the nose and laid out for you as a viewer the heist scenes which are a master class in editing and in visual joie communication. But even that seem you're watching here there's so many things going on other than hey. He's meeting his fence in a diner and doing a diamond transaction which then the fence gets whacked and James Caan doesn't get his money and he's got to go see another guy to try and track it down which is where he meets Robert Proxies character and a whole succession of things begin to go wrong for frank because he violates his own code which is such a Michael Mann thing it usually usually through attachment to a woman. Michelman gets a lot of justifiable. I think criticism for not perhaps having the most highly developed female characters in it's a masculine world were in the world of criminals and crime. Perhaps Fair enough I think there's different characterizations and other movies that maybe came later in his career. That might be a little different than that. But yeah this is the world that he's interested in. At least he has female characters on. Martin Scorsese who doesn't even cast women and it's movies right. Wow so james came in today. Repair he was like I made a list. Let me how can I beat Jason. I don't think it's treatment of women is is that often remember too. I mean this is an old movie. So it's When you're saying it's an old movie you're saying that in nineteen eighty one? There were different. Moore's at work in the world and so it's perhaps more understandable to have less developed female characters. Yeah no I'm not trying to say that that's Okay I. There's some things that that at least they're age appropriate. You know if this movie were made today you'd probably have like a sixty year old matthew mcconaughey. Hey and Mike a twenty year old flavor of the trail the month in Hollywood and at least two characters that are that are believable together. That's true he's looking at Tuesday she's Day weld across the diner and she's looking at him. When I think of Michael Man one of the things I think about is that visual communication not through dialogue? UGH necessarily I also think of like the sound design of his movies. The sound design if he for example even just in this scene in diner. It's the it's the stuff of the coffee cups and the the music playing the Chicago Blues. The there's so much thought I guess put into everything is what is what. I'm saying that that term autour we recently on the pod did seven and Michael Man is a filmmaker that reminds me a lot of David fincher in terms of the attention to detail. Every frame is so composed is so beautiful like the beginning of the movie. This these shots of the car driving through these rain-soaked Chicago streets with the neon lights. I mean it's just unbelievable. He brings a city and a location to life in a way. Very few filmmakers can one of the great things about heat eight I think is the way Los Angeles is represented in portrayed and in this film Chicago it's so saturated in Chicago yet it resists a lot of the cliches of Chicago movie. I do think one of the one of the things about Michael Man that that strikes me as is his relationship with music. Thought that you you know the song that really stands out and here is the turning point song with the mighty Joe Young. which is you know? He's in the bars little late to meet Dozy weld and they play that song and they play almost the whole song. Aw terrific it always uh-huh I don't take me it. And then also Tangerine Dream as as this movie opens with with the music of Tangerine Dream and the style of that music. And the way I I guess what he does he allows the music to enable his his his shots. And what you were talking about before where. There's not a lot of dialogue. For instance they have the highest seen at the beginning of this. You know they they complete the highest and they get into their cars and then they show him changing into two or the three different cars in the garage. And there's no dialogue during that time. But you have the sound of the you know the weather in the background. In the Tangerine Dream Team setting ambiance of the of the film and I think he does a really terrific job with that Orion take mm-hmm. Here's a little clip of Michael man talking exactly about why. He chose Tangerine dream. which is one of those soundtrack choices? That now it's an iconic soundtrack it's sort of genre defining for for Michael Man in a way away very similar to heat has an electronic score as well but it's not the obvious choice when you're talking about. Is Chicago greedy crime movie and in fact he had some other things that he was contemplating. I here's here's him in a recent panel talking about why he ended up going with the electronic score. My God wanted me to use Chicago Blues because I I loved it and listen to it. Live and in some of the some of the best circumstances possible which was muddy waters. Local bar called whole curly's place on Madison home in nineteen sixty to nineteen sixty three but the dilemma was that it would have the cover regional specificity with what the music would've brought to an and I had what I thought were important themes and I thought they would emerge better with something abstract like electric music. The Tangerine Dream's roots are in blues. So even though it's electron still twelve bar blues structure. So you know so. That's why they were right down the the last minute and also I'm surprised. Tangerine dream never got sued by Pink Floyd for completely blatantly ripping off that song. What's the the one they play over the end of the movie? The last when he's when James Caan is like blowing everything up and destroying his home and destroy businesses. You think that's what Pink Floyd Song. It's it's like the jam. We'll play a little later or maybe Matt. The engineer will cut a little bit in now. And Tell me how I'm wrong If I'm wrong but I don't think I am. I think it's actually I think the cords the same as the jam comfortably numb now. Am I right am I wrong you let me know. Hey this is Matt. The Engineer Jason Not Similar Chord progressions. But what I think you might be. Hearing is with Tangerine Dream. They're using some major course but they're using suspended ended courts and what suspended chords jus AD tension and release so they have a higher note. That goes to a normal if you will a note within a chord with the pink floyd stuff that that is minor chords. But they're descending they're going lower so it's poured lower wardlaw record so maybe you're hearing similarities with those notes. Descending that's making can you feel like they're the same progression that's what I got. But Tangerine Dream Does say Pink Floyd as a big influence so you have that anyway back to you guys. It's interesting because I I I mean I. I Love Pink. Floyd listened to all of their music a lot and Never occurred to. You never never made that connection. No but I do think that like what what he's what he says there in the clip about even though he loved Chicago and he loved the Blues and this is a film made in Chicago if he if he put that over ruined throughout the whole movie it would be maybe too much I I don't know. And Tangerine dream is perfect sets an amazing ambiance and I think that that is a characteristic in in his movies. I think it's one of the things that he does. Best is finding the right the right music to have on at the right time in the in the movie. It's kind of amazing for a first time. I'm director to sort of have the juice to tell his producer's like Nana going with this German Progressive Electronic Act. Okay Michael to your point that great scene in a bar. It has more power because that's the only one of the few times we certainly hear it. Sound up all the way yeah. It's perfect excited really great. This clip is representative of another incredible strength of Michael Mann's which is choice of locations. I mean it's insane. This is after Joe gags. Is the fence that he's trying to sell the diamonds to Joe. gags is killed because he owes money when he's killed he has one hundred eighty. Five thousand dollars of James aims cons money on him and James Caan goes up the ladder to try and collect from the next guy in the Chicago. Crime hierarchy hierarchy who runs a metal plating company. Commuted discuss a piece of business with you. What are you gonNA? Do you gonNa tell me fairytales. Hay Auto Fuck Yo slick click. Somebody knows you. What are you crazy? o what I don't know you I don't know some clown name Geico go see what you gotTa do get Adt Com. Get the fuck out ahead. Okay all right all right. Jesus Christ duty says that Jewish but go ahead. What's your hands on me? Spread your legs. Now go to war. I am the last guy in the world that you WANNA fuck with three hours. We'll call a set of meat. You will pay me my money. One hundred eighty five thousand house. The L. train goes by get somebody to say all right. We gotta time within. The truck starts to move forward like I. It's like it's gotta be like Rocky Rocky and Iraqi after this great scene between Stallone Burgess Meredith. Another train goes by just as the the relationship is solidified but that was a happy accident. According to Director he didn't address this. I don't know It's insane great. It's good man. Here's the thing I always think about both crime fiction into crime movies a couple of times. It's like you did me wrong. I'm I'M GONNA call you three hours. We're going to set a meet like do you really want to give the bad guy like ours to figure how how to fuck you because that's what's going to happen. Yeah there's a certain trust that sort of seems a little film Mickley probably put upon. I just don't know what happens in realized situations now. We'll never know. Well I don't know you could end up in some weird you know criminal enterprise for all you know. I love the scene in that in that same when Dennis Farina and the other henchman come running in is that is that Dennis. Farina's I is. That Tennessee has these the big tall guy used to be a cop and Chicago. Correct any comes in there and and he's just the look on the face. I mean that's why I say like everything about this movie is Is Believable so Dennis Farina at the time of the filming coming of this movie was in actual Chicago. Detective thief is the first film appearance of Dennis. Farina William Petersen who would go on to star in the great eight Michael Man. WHO's willing Peterson? which which characterised? Well he has a quick cameo as a bartender in one shot. And of course you would go on to star in manhunter an excellent yeah cool man film and Prequel. That's another terrific Michael Man. That isn't incredulous. Good movie genius. Who is this James Baluchis first film? Yet he's terrific in this. He's great there is a brief window with James. Belushi was fucking great this Salvador probably. That's and that's a pretty small window. The other notable casting thing is the guy who plays Urizzi who's the COP was actually a safe cracking criminal who was cast as a police officer and in the scene where James Caan is taking a trimming to use the Chicago verbiage. Your real stand up. You gotTa math. You can take take a trip when you could make things easy for everybody. But no you gotta be a Goof. The other cop in the scene is actually the detective who arrested Urizzi in real life. Does Michael man go out and try to make those connections like Oh instead of instead of copying cast is a cop. I'm going to cast a criminal as a cop. Like is that something he does intentionally. He mentioned in the clip about the music that he sort of self deprecating says. I I had seen the film was about and I wanted to. I wanted to a wanted the music to to not get in the way of that. I think the casting point. I think the reason to do that was that this is one of those films. That's a little bit about the blurred line between the good guys and the bad guys. Certainly though when you watch a movie nineteen eighty-one. Let's remember. There's no Internet. You can't really find that out. Oh you're not gonNA know about that really before you go see the movie. It's just the performance it's the performance but it also that guy is so sleazy as he just he looks like he's up to no good and he embodies bodies that in such a way that you're in a film or James Caan is. You're you're rooting for James Caan. Even though he's the criminal like James Caan is working for his living as a criminal. The cops are I'm just trying to rip them off and take ten percent for doing nothing. Yeah it's probably also the only time that you're rooting for a car salesman to succeed. Here's some James Belushi roles of note so as we he said I film performance is this. He wasn't trading places. I don't remember him in that. I haven't seen that in trading places. Of course yeah He. He comes into the into did the train car. Where Jamie Lee Curtis? Oh isn't that him. The only biggest dad is the man with one red shoe. Don't know it well. That was Steve. Steve Martin Really. I thought that was Tom. Hanks wait a minute. Yeah you're right yes I'm thinking about the man with one red dress. Steve Martin St Maarten in a red dress or something. This is a great James Bullish Euro about last night one of my favorite films and other Chicago movie. I don't know that movie. What are you serious rob lowe? Yeah me more. No Oh my God James You know this movie about last night. Yeah it sounds familiar. Who Okay this is? This is an opportunity to get into something that I think is important the reason I know you know this movie. Even though you don't remember right now beneath the as I mentioned Litchfield County I keep saying Israel County. It's really Fairfield County. That's where you're originally from from. Let me see we have to dip was born in New York. City was really where I'm from. Okay we're both two sides of the same coin because we would both say we're from new haven that's where our formative life occurred. Yeah right now I would say yes now. I say that because I'm from West Haven which is a blue collar town in which I did not have a good experience as a child when my mom moved there when she got remarried. You're from Litchfield County. You were from the Gold Coast of Connecticut you were you were raised with the silver spoon in your mouth now yet underneath. That lacks bro Exterior. James I know because I was there. Oh my God what a sap. What romantic what? What a sensitive guy you know? Who James is favourite? Music of all time was Eh Natalie merchant and ten thousand maniacs. I can't believe you went there. No it's great. This is part of what makes you you I. Actually I think one of the one of the time I got in touch with you recently was because I was astounded that ten thousand maniacs was touring without Natalie merchant and I said to. You like how you're GonNa go see that now. It's I mean it would be like going to see the grateful dead without Jerry. Just not something I could do. You know. I thought I was a pretty expert. Troll for Listeners Harris. who weren't here? Prior to James Comes into my office which is bedecked with a lot of dead and company but framed posters. And he's like you really deadandcompany. What's up with that? I mean there's no jerry I said well. Have you seen the band no. Have you listened to the Bat. No yeah okay so anyway. That was his attempt to throw a little barb in my direction which is appreciated. I like it Natalie merchant and then also don't forget the indigo girls. It's so funny. It was tortured Roman wedding last Christmas. Mrs But the Christmas before last my wife gave me tickets to see the indigo girls. Did she go with you. Of course she did. Actually new girls calls a few years ago. Put out one of the greatest songs I have ever heard their phenomenal. I'm GonNa find out what it is and I'll play a little of it because I can't remember right now but I literally. I remember Burger where I was when I heard it on the radio and I was like who is this still Pieces of Jews Snapshots Laura Bah the journey full of secrets. Qena Yeah I suppose support okay anyway. Another are notable aspect of this film is the appearance of the Great Willie Nelson. And I'm going to say this might be Willie's greatest film performance is it his only film perform now honeysuckle honeysuckle. Rose sure yeah terrific and that Willie plays Okla.. Who is James Cons? This prison mentor. Here's a little Willie Nelson such a fascinating scene between two men. We'll talk about. Why after thanks for coming on down soon I was coming anyway going? I'm doing terrific. Everyday's surprised real fucking Weirdo. There is nothing like And we figured out was to save won't Shit Morris finally busted ribs Bruno operation a lot of knifings going on though sex. You wouldn't leave. The quality of people are putting in here these days ten or fifteen years ago that a dump them in at Funny Farm Rapists Child Molesters Jersey. Put that shit reading here. The mainstream population used to be somebody like that lasted five days. It'd be a world record perverse house wife the wife There's nothing with the life. I pulled the plug Spy She doesn't putting down scores and the rocket scientists that she is figures out that I am having affairs with Fancy Ladies Asian anyway. It's all screw into listed. Are you GONNA do. I'M GONNA put it back together. Look Memphis new chick Jesse. You're gonNA marry her and have some kids yes but She does not know what I do. So what I mean do I bullshit. Along a wet lighter no one. There's somebody close to you. You're going to run it with a live there stranger fucker you gotta lighten such an intimate scene between in two men. What do you think is going on with the way they look at each other? They were cellmates. So I mean one hundred percent honestly is that. Do you think because I get a little bit of that impression Asha when I watched that scene too I I never I never got that watching it but watching it just now. Yeah I mean you know big house man. That's that's the way it goes. There is unecessary minute man. There's a certain emotional intimacy in the way they're looking at each other. Which is the way lovers would look at each other and partly it's because Willie Nelson is such a open been and searching intellect represented in his eyes and the way he's looking at James Caan and the way he sees through James Kanu shows his watch and his suit? How you doing Eh? I'm flash. I'm good but Willie knows Oakland knows it's bullshit. Yeah it's an amazing scene and as the synthesizer comes in there That's amazing as well. I don't think you could. You could have seen without that. That's an incredible scene. That's an incredible. It's also such a different scene between ex-cons talking like one on one ex-con talking to each other. It's not a it's not a tough guy scene. It's this real emotional scene which I think has an undertone of Lovers but also has this father son issue which then gets played out in James James Decision to go with Bob prostes offer to take down scores for him and in that scene when he makes his pitch which father son comes up as well. This is sort of the beginning of the unraveling for James Caan in his For Francs Life right you know. He goes visit Oakland. ANYTHING SOCALIST LOCALS GONNA get out and that's going to be a part of the future and then there is and I'm not GonNa make it that long. Yeah and then immediately after this scene he's out to meet with Robert Proski and get his money. He is. Here's a little of that scene. You WanNa put down contract scores all over the country working directly from me. I am self-employed. I am doing fine. I don't deal with Egos I am Joe the boss of my own bodies. What the fuck do I have to work for you for? Maybe a don't lay it out. You can be the judge you don't look you don't case he don't do nothing. We points you score when we say it's there it's there. They're all laid out. Scores stop alarm system. Diagrams blueprint sometimes the front door key. Sometimes it's scores on it everybody's ripping off the insurance company caused drops to whatever you need it. See me by your father money guns 'cause it'd be a father from here on guys like this kind of stuff in a movie you know I think it I think I thought a little bit about. Why did this movie resonate with me when I was a young man? I think it's you. You know the kind of the tough independence you know that and that that like that concept James Connie can do it all by himself and the whole prison thing of like You could just burn it down and walk away away from any time As an older man I think it's it's resonates more is having to go work for the man and you know like Oh you want this. You want this vision vision that you have here While you're going to have to come work for me and there's going to be some compromises there and like you said James Caan much like Neil McCauley. Kali in heat is presented as a ex-con who has an ex cons prison mentality of lack of attachment shark like keep moving forward and the tragedy really at the center of the film. Is that in pursuit of the life. That you you and I have now where the greatest thrill in our lives is to just simply go home and see our family beyond a podcast or be on this. podcast wouldn't be thrilled. That's the life he wants. In fact he has that in his folded out montage that he has collage that he carries with him everywhere in pursuit of that he. He violates the very thing thing that may have gotten him that and in doing so he he creates his own his own demise although in this film unlike fee for new MacAulay spoiler alert alerts or new MacAulay dies in pursuit of that of that life but in this he doesn't he walks away. He walks down the street. We don't know what happens but he definitely can he get back with Tuesday. Yeah well he sends her packing and she's probably done. You had one bad experience so yeah. I don't know every time I watch like these crime moves always think why guys like this. I mean for me. I like to think and I have an overactive imagination. So for example. When I was coming back recently from Christmas vacation and having to re enter the country I became convinced that my passport had been flagged and again I have not committed any criminal acts certainly in the last sixteen in years but I have the ability to delude myself and I read a lot of crime fiction so I read a lot of stories of like? What were you smuggling in well again? That wasn't smuggling any right right right but you were smuggling. What would it have been? But I'm saying who put something in who's setting me up. Oh you are being set up. You know what I'm saying. Yeah 'cause I did and then I other people think I'm crazy but here I am in the airport and they call my name over the loudspeaker and they go through my luggage a second time. Yeah well we thought that would be funny if we crowds Chris. Chris asked me to do. Daddy said call down to the border control. I had jury duty once after blowing it off for multiple times to the point where they send you the it's like. Hey it was on trial buddy. You're about to get arrested and so I go in and I do my thing and I'm sitting in the courtroom. Have this paranoid suspicion that things are going to go wrong. This system is going to swallow me up going to be made an example of and I became convinced that they were going to come get me. You might. I think I'm crazy but I'm sitting there. He came out my name. Jason Silo is happening. I go up. I'm like shaking right. And what it is is they wanted to. You wanted me to be the second alternate four person or whatever. It's hard to be me sometimes James. I can't even imagine you don't have that you don't have a fear of police you want it to be a cop for a brief time. I took the The New York City police exam. I remember that yesterday weird. Yeah you would have been good. You would have been an empathetic cop which they probably need. Maybe I might might have been like Harvey Keitel in the bad lieutenant. No well maybe at the time yeah I think it probably would have would have gone that way. I she took the exam. EMME didn't go to the academy. I did not go to the academy but I did take the exam. Does he examined thing. Where you you get in or you score a certain thing in you're allowed to then apply or does it work? Yeah I think at the time there was probably there weren't as many spots as as I might have like our members at Washington Irving high school over there and Eighteenth Street and there was a line around the the corner and I waited in the line and we went up. We took the exam. I think it was scheduled for like four hours at turned it in and they're like you sure you're done and I said Yeah I they said okay you know and and that was it. I never heard from him seriously. Results never got results. No now wait a minute that that can't be. I mean they must send you the results. I was living in new haven at the time. And and you know I never lived anywhere in new haven more than a couple of months so they probably sent the results you you had. You had that great apartment for quite a while probably sent it there you know and then so what you're saying is it's not so much that they didn't send it. It's that the lifestyle you're leading at. The time probably caused you to to miss the letter. Which said something like dear Mr kiddle thank you? We are proud to let you know that you don't even need to go to the police academy we'd like you to come right in at the Gold Shield meet us meet us at rikers. You know we've got room for you there. God why did you want to be a cop. I watched a lot of cop shows shows growing up and they were always the good guys but I mean good guy. Did you think that you were GonNa Wear Armani and Pastel like Don in Miami vice or you were like what was your because I I sometimes have This again I probably thought I would be like Like Crockett or or tubs and and And that would be the kind of cop that I was my my cop fantasy which I still sometimes have is is to become a homicide. Detective like fifty. I've become a homicide. Detective Yeah which I don't WanNa do I don't want to have the job consumed me. I don't WanNa live any of the tropes tropes that I read about in books all the time but I always think like kind of like in seven Morgan. Freeman's sort of presentation of detachment and disengagement engagement yet the beating heart inside of him that is so connected to the humanity that he's forced to contend with every day. Yeah that's what I always think about it. You could have had a very different life. You'd got if you've gotten your mail. Yes I think you'd probably have gone Yeah I think I would've I would've I really wanted to be a police officer. You know at the time I thought that seemed like a great idea. I'm shit sure would have been very different life instead I went to. NYU Did you graduate from Nyu. I did good for you thank you. Why don't you become a cop new haven? That would've probably been easier track. I don't think that I think at the time I knew he had a record record. Cops again cafe. I knew I knew a bunch of police. You give three comedy. Yes of course against the law. No I don't think I actually was against the law. In fact I think they probably had a policy of giving free coffee to the new haven police department. Oh I'm sure you did but I'm saying that if you look at the letter of the law. I can't imagine that police officers are allowed to accept the nineties. Things were much more loose back then. God it was the height of the crack epidemic. So we just. We just wanted them to come in and sure a cop strength for free pretty much. Everybody drank for free at the daily catfish. True one still another. No wonder it was a difficult business for Steve to maintain. So you didn't think about becoming newhaven cop because you were ready to get out of new haven. It was sort of like a honestly. I don't think they were taking applications. Okay Yeah says the you know the the. It's not as easy to become a police officer. As you might think you have to there there has has to be the openings and then you have to take the test and pass the test and then apparently get your mail which from for a lot of your listeners. Probably don't know they used to send things through this thing called the post is how did it work. They would bring like a piece of paper and put it into a part of your home home. Not your mailbox calls your mailbox. ESPN and then you would open it and read it and it would have information that you needed and if your life messy enough at the time that you were applying that you like you wouldn't get your bills or your mail or stuff like that. I mean I think if he was like at least residing in the same place at all times messy but I think that I think I probably did move ooh and You know I don't know I never heard from him though. I'm fairly certain I passed the test. I just never heard back from them and then Dan might also have that I got in Tamwe so maybe I had two plans. It might have been that the police department was my my second plan and was my first plan. It was either become a violet or a cop. Yeah and you chose Violet. Yes which I believe you're on the NYU hockey team. Yes so is the The all time leading scorer. That's not true it is true true I was. You're the all time leading score. NYU hockey team not anymore. But as a freshman I was leading score. Yeah wait a minute you can get up. You're telling me that after after art debauched life in new haven you then went to Nyu and we're a good enough. I certainly don't remember you playing hockey. The four five years reprobates. All the time am I used to play. You know where he used to play all the time was on my rollerblades out. Go to buy Nikki Nikki Plaza. Yeah but you would just hit a tennis ball against a wall. No well yeah I mean deadspin more or less in fact there was there was. This is a true story. One time I was out there. You know you're not allowed out there. It's like a marble and I was out there. It was late at night. Used to go out there at night and I was. I was skating around a Yale. Police officer came by. And I was like I I. I'll I'll go out and he's like no no you could keep playing. He's my son underplays hockey. Do you think you got pointers for lying on. Bend your knees or something. I don't know and that was it so from that. I Ah always skate there by Anneke. Maybe I was asleep when you were playing hockey in new haven to work. The next day I did. I was on the night. She you're on a night shift nightshift oft. Yeah so you would get off work and go skated by Nikki for a few hours and then sleep till two or three and get up and then go back to the cafe. Yes sometimes that's impressive chance. Yeah we like to. We like to roller blades. We're just coming out then so we used to go those The guys from Hell House. They all had done rollerblades. And we would go all around the city and it was. It was a Lotta so ninety s yeah townies. Being counties in new haven at the time was amazing Because unlike now you had free you could go anywhere you could go go into the library. You could go into the comments you could go into the catacombs underneath Yale University. You could go up into every residential tower. You might liberate a few items from Some yelling a monkey picture here. They're a monkey picture here there. He knows who he is. He probably doesn't listen to the pod but Dave. You should really return that picture or at least lend it to me for a few years. It's funny I bet. That is all changed now. I even when I was at Nyu. I used to go to the Cross Campus Library and study with with friends of mine. That were yeah. No students ends at Yale and I would. I would go and I spent for one year that I was at Nyu. I probably spent more time in the libraries. And then the more you library. You know. It's funny when I went to college. at Hampshire the first year I came back to new haven every weekend and did not really spend much time other than my class time and we week. Daytime the thing about being into new haven at that time which I think we both were. It was a great place. Debate was fantastic. I mean I think one of the things that was different in the eighties was is that unlike probably where most people listening went to high school. Your high school scene is probably revolves. Around your high school. In New Haven you had seen that revolved around a kind of an innumerable number of high schools from the surrounding area. And certainly from new haven itself. Yeah one of the things. I always thought it was so funny about being in new haven is is that people people always assume that I went to Yale and of course I didn't so people would people did go to Yale would find out. Didn't go to Yale. And they were likely you're not good enough to hang out with us you you were that guy and then the people that were from new haven where like we don't want to hang out with him he goes to jail. You know he wants to be a cop so yeah NARC axes good thing. I worked at the Coffee House. Nobody ever talked to me other. I'm going to play another clip here. James what is this is this A. Oh that's right the movie. Yeah the move. I forgot that we were talking about. You have to cover a a lot of ground and then you're gonNA listen to one fifteen you'll see. Okay I WANNA give Tuesday weld. Some of her do here because in her handful of scenes I just think she she brings a certain brittle fragility to the role that is fantastic. And there's a lot of depth to her performance in the movie. Her twice fitness. She tells a story in this diner scene about her previous boyfriend. who was a cocaine dealer on the streets of Bogota? Yes things did happen. Things did happen. This is one of the more quotable scenes than my friend Buchan. I used to always quote back and forth to each other when James Caan newsroom. Oh yeah that's great was a huge wjr. Awesome one of those movies because of the quote ability and I think this scene in the car between James Caan and Tuesday weld where he kind of finally asked her. What the Hell do you think I do for a living? Yeah some very funny quotable moments. What the Hell do you think that I do? Come on. Come on come on. Every morning I walk in five months. Say Hi what the Hell do you think that I do. Yes that's what you do. A hundred hundred and fifty dollars slacks silk shirts. Our eight hundred dollars suits our gold. Watch our a perfect teeth. Flawless Three CARAT ring. I change caused like other guys changed their fuck and Joe's I'm a safe. I've been in prison all right so what I don't care what don't tell me what I never even told. Well my wife that gone today ever come on you know what they see. What see I I I am a straight Arrow? I am a true blue guy. I've been cool. I am now unmarried. So let's cut the mini moves bullshit and get on with this big romance. What do you think that I have been waiting for you to come along? What is it? Then there's maybe seventeen minutes scene between just the two of them in a diner above a highway. That's incredible I mean if you don't watch anything just watch this section of this movie. It's incredible scene in which so much of the heavy lifting of the backstory. Both of these characters gets brought out. James Caan John Bares his soul and they come together. So I'm just asking you to be with me. I can't I can't have can't I wa. We Adopt I. I am not ready. See An and I have my life so I I can't. I mean what what is going on in your life. That is so tiffany. Mine's been a mess. I was just thinking you know maybe between the tools that we can make something something that was something special something really nice. Just I'm just asking you. I got away now. I can make it happen fast. I mean watch wants fast and I'm just I'm just as Music they're so good. So your point as an ominous right because something ominous is happening fateful error her but there is law keeping. He's making an error there. He's making an error in terms of the code that he has lived by to that point picture. Picture wants to picture you. What's her he does want her? I think he. I think that's genuine. I think that there are thing. He's genuine but James. Let's play as a dad this is. It's not the guy you want your daughter to say. Hey I'm gonNA take another swing of the apple here. We see him as a good person you know. He's he does have a code that he lives by insure you know. He's he's stealing diamonds. But he teed see that he says even to Robert PROC- they're like you won't do home invasions Albouy staff or a good person sure. Yeah yeah catchy so good in this. I mean it's the little collage that he's unfolding comes from Michael Man's prison research where at the time he would visit visit. Think San Quentin and he would see. Cons cells frequently had these collages usually pornography but sometimes they were these. He's dream lives. That were going to happen for these guys when they could get out. We used to do that boarding school to did you. Okay I don't want to know what was on your boarding school. Collage Haughey Grueling Book. Eimi yeah pretty much yeah probably. You're you're kind of like Red Cavanaugh. I go way back sure. Well I I mean I could go on. There's so many things to talk about here. We haven't taught we haven't played Urizzi. We haven't played Sam the metallurgist who makes the fire Rod. We haven't really got into Robert Proski and how amazing is just talk. A little about prosekey. Michael Mann says that you know that was the hardest role for him to cast. And that I think he had worked with Jerry Bruckheimer. Who was his producer on this film? Is that right. I didn't even know that. Yeah well and it's been one of his early. PRONUNCIA was one of his early productions. Actually a jerry. Bruckheimer Ronni Kahn production. Okay James Khan's brother. Ronnie is one of the the producers. I think he'd seen sixty or seventy actors to play the role that Bob prosecute plays and nobody had the right thing and he said to Bruckheimer Alzheimer. Is it me. Am I missing. Something in my looking for something wrong and Bruckheimer said No. He hasn't walked in the room yet. Just keep going and sure enough. Robert Laszewski came in and he's one of the guys whose first film role this is. Is that a lot of people to to look at for casting sixty people or is it. I think it depends on anything Spielberg famously. I considered something like ten thousand people before he cast Maria the forthcoming west side story. Anyway Bob Prosekey was a stage actor and came in in and man said had that exact he was a stage actor. Yeah Yeah. He had that combination of Dad with menace undercut undercut. Bob Prosekey is being friendly. There's such brilliant scenes. The scene between him and James Caan in the bar when the adoption agency has gone wrong because Tuesday okay. Well can't have children so they go to an adoption and of course they're turned away because he's an ex con after that prosekey sees him in a bar. Says the Kid Barry Mentioned Mitch Mitch to me you got friends like no for Christ's sake come to me with your problems. What am I fucking stranger? I'd take care of my people anything you want. You want maybe do business. I do not mix apples and oranges bullshitted with my wife with my kids. That's my whole life type. Kids especially American. What happens? State your model in Black Brown yellow boy or girl from couple of ladies it to sell narrow they so it's not that kids for his mother's and ask you're not buying them whether you're not gonNA kill on a straight I wanNA boy done done don't of what you A. Ah even when he's kidding joshing with them there's a certain fakeness a certain certain menace. And you Kinda know again. His pursuit of Tuesday weld is is genuine. This feels more like a couple of you. Want to succeed one hundred percent. They seem like they go to. And then you have this crazy scene where she just like meets a mom in an apartment doorway in his handed. Baby Yeah and they are they are family. Of course by the end of the film prosekey goes against his word Frank just wants to be paid after the incredible scene where they break into an unbreakable vault and Proski gives him something like seventy or ninety thousand of what was supposed to be eight hundred fifty thousand dollars. It was the rest the worry about. What does this? This is the cash part part when you light. Eight hundred and thirty thousand supposed to be here and I count. What seventy the eighty nine hundred? That's the Jacksonville. Fort Worth the Davenport shopping centers with the rest of my people. You can ask these guys papers. Richard Haass a set up as a limited partnership general partners as subchapter s corporation. You Got Equity within that. Count me out. I thought we add this good thing at leads to the kind of wordless final fifteen twenty minutes where. I'm not sure why he needs to burn down all his businesses the bar or at the car lot his apartment his home. I don't know what I think. That's I think that's that the idea there is like you're not gonNa take it away from me. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA burn it down before you take it away away from me and just kind of walking away from stuff. I mean it's it's like I think prisons doctors and mentality APP. Because I was thinking like hey you could keep that ball still sell car seats that stuff. That's legit side just burns it all down and walks away. I think that's the concept. Okay James Let's move onto Latchkey TV. Yeah this is where we talk about about television programs that were important to us as children. You mentioned Miami Vice a couple of times many innovations that Miami vice brought to TV certainly American TV. I think this thing is probably more common in shows in the UK. But for an American cop show to have musical interludes was a big deal at the time. Yeah and like real music like like I was saying they open the the the pilot of Miami Vice opens with the rolling stones and so that was like a huge banner. And they would they would have Phil Phil Collins. Of course was was in there and Yeah so I I wasn't. I wasn't sure if I wrote it. But that whole cocaine cowboy thing was very much in the media so I guess they were they were Kinda riffing on the same reality. The scene you mentioned this is this is probably the most famous Miami vice moment. Which is the Phil Collins in the air tonight night intercut with Sonny Crockett's call to his estranged ex wife? Just James feel the on we feel feel the neon feel the Miami Hello Carolina. I need to know some way we used to be together. I don't mean lately you you bet. It was uh-huh Maga- goosebumps James to you. Your thinking feeling human being do. That's a fucking good that's great. She's yeah right it's funny too because that's that is probably midway through the life of the series in the very. I just know this because I watched this last night. But the first the pilot Sonny Crockett gets a cut right in the in the exact same places he has it. There is a continuity error. Yeah so good man. Yeah it was really good. So Miami vice famously supposedly who was it it was the guy from NBC ahead of NBC entertainment. At the time I think tartikoff said two words. MTV COPS yeah. But Michael Mann says I don't think that's actually true. He says that Anthony had read a Miami Herald article about about how the vice cops were allowed to. Keep the spoils of arrested drug dealers. In order to perpetuate the image and then that makes more sense. Yeah yeah seeing how Michael Man was able to take popular music. Put that to these amazing scenes in television. I don't know that anybody was doing that before him. Certainly early in the the better moments of Miami vice the musical interlude moments. There's a lot that whole really. They play almost the whole song and much of it is just taking up with Moody Atmospheric. Ms feerick driving dots and that was different much like our next. TV show is so different. I was really impressed when I watched the pilot islet episode of Hillstreet Blues. At how remarkably good. It's still is despite a few weird moments which will discuss but the filming style. The hand hand held. That was so new at the time that we never really saw a show like that. The the jumbled Kinda chaotic mess of the police station was very different from other. TV shows of its time time. This is a little of the pilot episode intro. There's like the the very first time anyone saw anything having to do with Hillstreet Blues. This is what we saw. Yeah I'm sixteen gang home sides we had to last night. They're going to be reprisals. You got anything to add to that LAMONICA. Looks like the twenty four. Th Street gang done it appeared chain or online the last night of last items a directive from divisional commander Swanson alleged carrying a bizarre and unauthorized weapons. By the offices of this precinct. Officers are hereby warn to immediately surrender such weapons the custody of their sergeant or face. Disciplinary action inspections starts now. Three all right. That's it let's row. Let's be careful out now. The Weird Weird this episode Michael Conrad's character so furloughs divorced and Barbara Bosson places. Angry ex wife who comes in and yells and screams and the Michael Conrad Howard character confesses that he too is divorced. But he's dating a high school girl. Well Jesus Christ I guess your point about earlier earlier. Moore's perhaps being different but I mean Jesus we're in the mid eighties here. Yeah I didn't I didn't it's eighty one eighty one. Yeah well different times. And that's that's a long time ago. Kept waiting for there to be like some payoff where he was like. Oh I was just kidding. Old Guy Doing policy and that he looks like he's he's everybody's Great Bruce Weitz Joe Spano Taurean black. I was foolish name and have as an actor Kilmartin Charles Haid as Ranko. The thing that I was trying to think of what was different about hillstreet blues anything. I think that they're carrying the storylines from episode to episode. which is something? I remember creator of the wire talking about David the time Zane like you know one of the things that he really loved about that was that he could he could develop. These story ARCS over over the whole season and then even into another season but I think that they definitely did that. They're in hillstreet blues where they would take things so yeah I would have some smaller story lines. They tidy up at the end of the episode. But then you might carry something longer and longer on over the course of the episodes. It's funny watching it now. Because you have such good filmmaking. Isn't that one little cookie played. You have this chaotic nece. You have this joking. This lack of seriousness seriousness. But then when he mentioned the gang homicides everything gets dead still. Yeah so they take the job seriously but they have a black humor that is represented all over the place place in the show. It's really impressive. I was surprised how well it it held up. I haven't seen since the mid eighties and of course I mean is there a more Evocative this is kind of the theme from cheers. Oh hillstreet blues. This is this is like his emotional as the themes a little slow down. Isn't it there. You go yeah. He's Mike Post one that up. Yeah like Saxon there and then you get into this like media Glacken Spiel is going to come in. I think that's one of the great TV themes that is it's emotional. This is why I think this appeal to you. You're probably require you know. I don't think I ever cried watching that show now. Everyone ranked got shot in the hallway from the junkies. Maybe he'll he'll ever get shot. Rancor is Hillary does the redneck. Yeah we have both got shot right. They both they both got shot got shot that was in the pilot episode. You have this kind of stuff in there. Jokingly gets stolen and they're jokingly going into this this building try and find a telephone the telephone and rank goes of course ranting and raving and within a second they surprise prize some junkies shooting up and one of the junkies pulls out a gun and shoots both of them right. It's like again in one thousand nine hundred kind of like what the Hell Am I. Watching here was a big the deal. Great Show Well James. That's all I have. Do you have anything else that you like to get into as relates to thief. Michael Man Hillstreet Blues Miami Vice Your childhood to our lives together. No when we start to record though I'm going to I'm going to hit record now James. Thank you for coming in and this is a lot of fun thank you and I know that. I know everybody will be very happy to get Chris back. Well Listen Chris Got Act. You know what I'm saying. He's like James Caan thief thief. He's Got a vision. You gotta pay the Bills Man. Yeah and of course as one of the more lucrative professions to ever get into so. Yeah it makes me money act. I think basically if you're a kid today podcasting or acting both incredibly lucrative anything in anything in media that can be captured. Digitally is is a sure a routine money. Just avoid the Bob proxies out their kids a fast route. All right James well again. Thank you so much for coming in. I hope you enjoyed it. Thank you best of luck. Thank you going forward.

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Constance Baker Motley born - September 14, 1921

This Day in History Class

06:46 min | 1 year ago

Constance Baker Motley born - September 14, 1921

"My Name is Danny Shapiro and I'm the host family secrets a podcast about the secrets kept from US secrets. We keep from others and the secrets we keep from ourselves CBS. Family secrets is show where you can hear powerful stories of heartbreak healing and hope listen to season two family secrets on apple podcasts the iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcasts this day in history class is a production of I heart radio greetings. Everyone welcome to this day in history class where we bring you. A new tidbit hit a bit from history every day. Today Is September fourteenth twenty nine thousand nine hundred and the day was September fourteenth nineteen twenty one constance Baker Motley was born born in New Haven Connecticut Motley was the first black woman elected to the New York State Senate and the first black woman to be named a federal court. Judge Constance was the ninth of twelve children. Her parents will be Alba. Baker and Rachel Baker immigrated to the United States from the island island of Nevis Constance. His father worked as a chef at a private club associated with Yale University but their family was one of modest means. It's her mother founded the new haven chapter of the N. double. ACP though there were not a ton of black people in new haven when she was a child constance stints learned about like history through her church in high school she became more interested in politics race relations law and black history during this time she served as president of the city's youth counsel and Secretary for New Haven's adult community center when she was sixteen years old. She decided she wanted to become a lawyer. She graduated with honors from New Haven High School in Nineteen thirty nine but she could not afford to pay for her college tuition. She began working for the local branch of the National Youth Administration a job. She got thanks to her. Administrative skills and experience in public public service after philanthropist named clearance blakely heard her speak at a meeting he offered to pay her way through college and Law School so she took him up on the offer and she went to Fisk University then transferred to New York University where she graduated with an economics degree in nineteen forty three years later she graduated from Columbia University. Law School constants later said that people did not leave she would be successful in the legal angle profession but in her last year of law school she was selected to be a law clerk birth thurgood Marshall the chief counsel of the N. double. ACP legal defense and educational educational find or the LDS over the years Marshall would become a mentor to constance at the time the L. D. F. was US challenging the separate but equal standard that said public accommodations could be racially segregated as long as facilities were equal in nineteen forty eighty six. She married Joel Wilson Motley a real estate insurance broker and later had a child. She stayed at the L. D. F. For twenty years becoming assistant counsel and then later the organization's principal trial lawyer when she was principal legal counsel she worked on civil rights cases that involved involved ending discrimination in education housing employment transportation and public accommodations. She prepared the draft complaint. Wait for the case that turned into the landmark. Supreme Court case Brown Versus Board of Education in which the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the l. l. d. f. and Motley would go on to appear in state and federal courts around the country to argue cases segregation and issues raised by Brown be bored. She played an important role in many lawsuits the N. double. ACP filed in major cases that coincided with the emergence of the civil rights movement from nineteen fifty eight to nineteen sixty five motley was also a member of the New York State Advisory Council on employment and unemployment insurance after the death of activist Medgar Evers with whom she had worked closely. She resigned from the L. D. F. and turned to government work full-time. She served out the unexpired expired term of New York State Senator James Watson and won reelection in nineteen sixty four in office. She remained focused on housing employment in education in nineteen sixty five she was elected president of the Manhattan borough becoming the first woman to head any of the five boroughs house and the next year president Lyndon B Johnson named her a judge in the US District Court for the Southern District of New York conservative -servative judges and politicians protested this appointment but she was sworn into office in September of nineteen sixty six motley died of congestive diff- heart failure in two thousand and five throughout her career in law and politics she was recognized for being a respected jurist and for being dedicated to fighting for desegregation segregation civil rights demonstrators other issues of racism and discrimination and matters as varied as First Amendment protests rights and sex discrimination. I'm each jeffcoat in. Hopefully you know a little more about history today than you did yesterday. If you have any burning questions I in their comments to tell us you can find us on twitter instagram and facebook at T D. I H Z podcast. Thanks for showing up. We'll meet here again tomorrow. For more podcasts tests from iheartradio visit the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows how did snoop dogg be murder case what trove Kurt Cobaine Suicide Doc was Bob. Marley's stone cold killer. How did Sam Cooke really dying seriously car the dudes and Motley crue still alive hear these stories in disgrace land the podcast about auditions getting away with murder behaving very badly hosted by me. Jake disgrace lamp is an adult storytelling podcast that contains strong language is not for kids listened to disgrace and on Apple podcasts the iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcasts.

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It Happened in Florida Round 2 05-29-2020

Woody & Wilcox

07:09 min | 1 year ago

It Happened in Florida Round 2 05-29-2020

"Uh. Woody and Wilcox show, so we've got three stories. We're GONNA share. These you real quick great way to feel better about your own life is by enjoying. Enjoying maybe the wrong word, but hearing some of the stuff that's going on around this world. These are all true stories. What and I share three of them and one of them went down in the sunshine state. You've got a spot that one to win and eight four four four ww show what store number one we'll start. Number one is all about a woman with one of cashing her hand, who has been accused of giving favors to a man against a liquor store wall. You know that old story like directions favors. Orel favors I. believe would be the way I describe it. When the cops rolled up, they did notice that the man was leaning against the wall, and the woman was performing a specific act on him. You should try oral She had a wad of cash in her hand, and when they saw the police officer, they immediately at the same time, said the phrase that they were doing nothing. With confirm in the man's spontaneously told the officer I didn't give her that money. Wang you know that sort of thing when police officers shows up. Tried walking away from the police officer when he was asking them questions. Didn't work either. They were arrested. In Florida where she kept the cash in the hand. Done the US you gotTa. Keep going I still got more penises. was. We're, woman okay. Story number two I hate to bring back the old story again and again, but it's that same old one. Petitioning his city so that he can get a statue of Al put in the park. I'm sorry. Alf like the little alien thing from the eighties nineties. Not to say little alien, he was. Demeaning. Yes Alf the alien life form from the Eighties Television show the man story number two would not only like his city to relent and agree to putting up a statue of Alf somewhere in their city probably park, but secondarily has started a petition online where he intends to raise ten thousand dollars on his own to get a statue of Alf. Put into his cities. Is there on fines. Is there a relation to the city and Alf which went off the air in nineteen ninety? How much has he raised? Is what I hear you saying. Yes, two hundred fifty dollars so far of the ten grand. Fifty. It is blowing up as the kids like to say, that's from thirty one contributors to, so they're really kicking in the dough fast and furious. Can you get a potter to do that? I'm sorry. Couldn't you get somebody to do that locally? Like an artist just to shape alf for less than ten thousand. I, think we all know. That statue was a minimum of ten thousand dollars I. Mean, can you? You gotTA buy quality quote. A lot of people think this is facetious and. That's what's stopping. People from putting funds into my campaign, but it has a lot of support people love. and quote. There is a reason that he has and I haven't shared that with you. Other than obviously people love al which I just shared. Will Give you that when we resolve is the answer that he is in Florida has the third and final, well as we emerge into the quote, unquote new normal that you keep hearing about certain traditions that used to happen. Sadly aren't going to happen anymore, and it may be the case in story number three as a bar is finally ending a forty three year old tradition. That tradition porn in the Morn at this particular bar. I'm sorry. It's forty three years of screening pornography on their. TV's on weekend mornings. Like cartoons Yep. These are cartoons from six am until noon on weekends. The meadow would country club, which is not a country club, but it's an actual bar would. Show a quote curated assortment of adult films from its eight thousand our collection. I'm having trouble. Bar Or for forty three years they've been showing porn on Saturday mornings. And men gathered together to watch porn together. WHO said it was just men Chelsea I feel like you've nailed it. It's very sexist and probably correct. Sorry strangers gathered together at six am on Saturdays to wash porn. What I hear you saying is America's Great. Porn in the mornings, but they called it, and they had special menu items as well instead of eggs. Benedict I bet you can guess what they called it. Who wants to do that with strangers Gobain. Is it in Florida where a forty three year tradition coming to an end. Paul is up I to try and solve quiz, Paul. What do you think which one of these stories went down in the plywood state? Story number one number one. Woman right outside the villages there near Tampa Saint Pete who was arrested, and so it was the man by the way she still had the water cash in her hand. WHO's don't say what store number two where the man has a campaign? I guess is the right way to phrase it to get Alf. a statue in his town don New Haven Connecticut home of AL, Creator Paul, few S-. Now. Could give me a million guesses. I wouldn't have known the ALF. Create new haven resident. wants his city be proud of the one time voice and a puppeteer behind Alf. Thank of the tourism. Kids I'm sorry no Disneyworld this year. We're going to new Haven Connecticut to see the Alps. Seem questionable on family trips AH. Hazard, Museum, I've promised right now I am going to new haven. As soon as this is. Part of the expression erected. Something's GonNa get erected. speaking erected not even I'm sorry they Ford of the Midwest Wisconsin is where. For Forty three years on Saturday and Sunday morning. People could enjoy a reasonably priced breakfast while I'm joined pornography with semi strangers. Senor! We're doing that and then we're going. See the. Statue. Wilcock Joe.

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Give Piece a Chance: An Entrepreneur Disrupts Chicagos Food Scene (Part 1)

The Tightrope with Dan Smolen

34:21 min | 1 year ago

Give Piece a Chance: An Entrepreneur Disrupts Chicagos Food Scene (Part 1)

"There are plenty of naysayers each Chicago's known for deep dish pizza and that is what Chicago is and people were telling me you can't going to Chicago is with a new haven style pizza because frankly no one not many people know where new haven let alone what made me sell pizzas but I was confident that if I was if we were able to come close to replicating the great pizza that we enjoyed enjoyed growing up in new haven on wooster street that it would be well received because you don't have to tell people that something is good you know they put it in their mouth. Yeah this is damn good stock in Washington. DC. This is the tight rope. I'm your host Dan smolen. Our mission on this podcast is to help help you realize your dream of doing meaningful work here you'll meet and be inspired by amazing people who overcame great odds you'll discover what sparked them them how they explored work opportunities the strategies that they employ to ensure a career success and the actions. They boldly took to make it all happen. You'll also meet esteemed and nationally recognized thought leaders who were helping people like you to develop were skill experience and leadership and sees sees opportunity from a changing world so that your beautiful work dreams turn into reality together. Let's turn work. Meaningful for meaningful work is the future of work in this first part of a two part episode. We discover how one entrepreneur dared not once but twice Weiss to disrupt the established food scene and a major American city in one thousand nine hundred eighty three along with his three brothers. Billy Jacobs arrived arrived in Chicago with a dream to bake and sell fresh New York style bagels. Their effort was a smashing success. After Scaling Jacobs ABC's brothers Bagels to twenty stores. They took a buyout offer. Billy's brothers went on to second act careers while billy started dreaming again to turn his next next big disruption into reality. That's when his idea to bring to Chicago the classic New Haven Style pizza of his youth took shape soon after billy open peace pizzeria and brewery in Chicago Trendy Wicker Park neighborhood according to industry trade publication and pizza today peace is the highest grossing single location pizzeria in the United States in August twenty nineteen. We sat down at peace with the billy and our shared lifelong friends Stu Katz to discuss Billy's meaningful career story so we're here ear with Billy Jacobs owner of peace Chicago pizzaria and brewery and Stu Katz his childhood friend from New Haven. Even actually my childhood friend is well known these guys for well. Just say a long time gentlemen welcome to the tightrope. Thanks for having me so I wanNA start with billy. Take us back to when you were a little kid in new haven growing up. What did you dream about being being when you were all grown up one. I just wanted to make it a child. Given the crazy things that we did serval was the most important thing is prominent in my mind. I think that as as a child I at least thought that I might be eternity like my dad so Richard Shakeups. Is Your father right prominent attorney in new haven. You really thought you were going to follow up. I mean I admired heaven and didn't the family were were lawyers. Both cramp fathers causing uncles. I didn't see the path basically so so your brothers. Steve Andy and Pete were they on sort of the same trajectory as you in terms of being aura yeah so let's let's just jump back and that's when when I'm a little kid but then I got older I became a little more entrepreneurial and interested in in in business in food and I think that more than my brothers three brothers and we're all fifteen and sixteen months apart keep that in mind very Bush mother right when she was twenty four years old twenty five years old. She had five four little boys. Wow imagine that no now. I cannot a first time father at forty. No I cannot imagine for children. Were Little Boys. I remember were when we were all teenagers. You worked for Ashley's. Ice Cream on college street in new haven was that did that light a spark that absolutely I mean that was a big moment for for me because I had been entrepreneurial and I was trying to figure out what I was. GonNa do with my life and I was just going getting ready to go off of two college worked for these guys who took this beautiful product this beautiful homemade ice cream and to don't deliver it to the public and it was incredibly well received in their lines out the door and I I was their second employee so I go off to school in Boston determined to find my own product right like they did. They being a fill Carlin and he started it and then his brother Josh Gun involved in Phil Went Brandeis. Josh went to tops when off to and then I went off to school in Boston determined find my own product and I think Josh introduced me too. These great bagels on Harvard Avenue Jaffe pick a chick and I had a couple of other places Josh. I'm really like this place coupons which which is still there on Harvard Avenue. We gotta go to Jaffe is he. TOOK JEFF was fantastic. I think about these bagels and I'm thinking this might make for good business. I didn't know much about bagels other than what I was learning in Boston and Brookline and finding out that there's a a lot more to it and we of course grew up with lender's bagels right our dad went to high school with Murray and we knew the family but that was really our only exposure. Oh sure to to bagels primarily through the frozen food section at right well. That's what lenders are known for. I mean they basically invented frozen food. That's exactly right and popular is the Bagel right so you know I find. These great freshly baked bagels. I'm like wow this is really something and you know the versatility of it you can have from uh for breakfast lox and cream cheese or you can have for a sandwich for lunch even soup you know and I thought it would make for a great business. See and that's where that's where it started. I remember we all graduated college. The same year I remember going on job of interviews and I came out to one Marsha. We're trying to figure I think it was on wacker. Drive had this interview. We stopped for breakfast this before I think you're even been set up and the Bagel that we ordered dinner roll with a hole in it was horrible. Did you know that about Chicago. Ha go in like places in the Midwest that they didn't know how to make really good quality bagels. I think that outside of the northeast people really didn't know much about bagels certainly didn't know how to how to make them appreciate them. They really were they hadn't really emerged so we came out to Chicago going getting to your point. Andy a year older were to Brown with these guys but he's from Chicago and came out to and discover that there are no bagels downtown Chicago so the idea of going into the Bagel business was there and we're looking for the right market Chicago. Didn't have bagels right downtown. They had a couple of places in the suburbs one place New York Bagel and it's still there and Severi. It's actually a very good Bagel but that was it so it was kind of a slam dunk for us because the market was here so your your dream from the time you were an older child was entrepreneurial and and having the exposure to Ashley's ice cream. Our daughter still goes there every week up in Madison Connecticut. It's phenomenal great great. You had this dream of being an entrepreneur. It sounds like food was where you were headed. Did the exploration colouration of that gated by your friends like where you were going to point yourself geographically in terms of Chicago Bright. It was the right market. I didn't know anything about Chicago but you know I was excited about going into business going into business with my brothers and and you know I was ready to leave the northeast. Let's fast forward so you guys found Jacobs brothers big. Where was it located. Where was your first storefront. The first one was Chicago Avenue Fifty Chicago Avenue between Wabash rush an area yeah known as st or bill and there's a very small space about twelve hundred fifty feet. That's really small small and we opened up October fourth of Nineteen eighty-three and it it was very difficult go to begin with early a couple of factors played into that it was about six steps above the street so you'd have to walk up the stairs to to go into the star so as not street level people had to figure it out it was and we had to work very hard to communicate that then we went into winter in eighty three and it was one of the coldest winters of all time so here we are trying to get established hoping that people can find their way into the place and it's called and not many people on the street. Don't remember Andy dressed up as Santa Claus went on the street with with many mini bengals hop any bagels them giving them out and we were. We did everything we could. We really bootstrapped in and worked very hard to make that one go so when did when did a turn and when did you guys know you're onto something that was you know that one was profitable location. It probably took a couple years. We're talking a long time ago. Of course we weren't really paying ourselves. which is what you do we were living in one bedroom apartments above the restaurant and really just trying to you know keep it together? What what did occur is several years later in eighty six five eighty six. We open up our second location. Where was that in the monadnock building in the south loop. It's beautiful landmark bill the at that time. When it was built it was the largest load bearing structure in the world and it's it's just a fantastic we we opened it and it was immediate success? It's located in the heart of the south loop. Lots of traders lots of foot traffic the government buildings across the street so it was really the right location for us and it did very well. Did you benefit from word of mouth with that. I think it I mean that was part of it but I think primarily was it was the outstanding location Corner Location Jackson in Dearborn and we were doing the best I see oh. We're doing doing over a million dollars in bagels. That's amazing that keep in mind is is really really five days because we can very quiet poses so you had your your business was coming from it professionals. Yes exactly and we're doing a huge breakfast. What did you learn about differentiation of product and experienced since then because anybody can celebrate. Anybody can theoretically make a Bagel but you did it old school well. I think that you have to communicate with your product. Is Why it's a great product was traditionally Baked Bagel boiling water. I it's crunching the outside in the middle. You have to know on market your product and I think that's one of the things that we did very well with Jacobs brothers and I think it's something we do very well with peace and Brogel. Let's talk about one important aspect with your three brothers. You had your own area of dominant influence in the business and I'm gathering. Yours was marketing promotion. Would that be right product. Yeah absolutely so. What did you set out to do to distinguish? Jacobs brothers bagels as A. You've got a habit thing one. One of the things we did early on is the first name of the bagel place was was very generic called the Bagel Bakery and you know I suggested that we we call Jacob's brothers and work on that that identity that they're real people behind the operation are great. Uncles had a grocery store on state and Chapel called Jacob's brothers market and that's long among others came from. Everyone thought that was a good idea. Our ad guys created this really cool turn of the century logo then you now have this very establish. Look to it so it. It looked like it had a heritage type. Things and years like it was kind of funny because I would meet. Someone you say was bill. Jacobs Jacobs Brothers take with the Jacob hickeys brothers were dead you know because it really had that very old established look to do cats. You and billy have known each other AH since probably grade school. What do you think that billy and the brothers did with the Bagel bakery and and then later on with piece that created a sense of experience a sense of place well in the early days of of Jacob's brothers Bagels. I came out for about a week to ostensibly help and just kind of see what was going on and the thing that always impressed me and my parents owned a restaurant Strana new haven so I had some knowledge of the food service industry and how it was not very easy so I could see that he really had a commitment to the quality of the product was the first thing and also making sure that the customers were getting what they needed. I have to tell you even after thirty thirty something years he maintains that like making sure that the customers are getting what they want whether it's a delivery or a big catering order or something like that that he has a relentless commitment to the customer experience so when you have a relentless commitment to the customer experience and you have a very high quality product those two things. I think are the success elements like a lot of companies do when they're successful they scale and and yours did to US scaled in terms of revenue but also in terms of locations. How big did Jacobs Brothers bagels become. How many storefronts did you twenty. You're stuck twenty storefronts. How many people did you have working for you. Hundreds hundreds of people and for me frankly it wasn't a time that I really enjoyed because I really like knowing customers knowing all my employees that was challenging for me so and we we grew because we acquired brewers in this in the Chicago. Market Burgers came in and things didn't work out so well then like would would you like to acquire our units and we did so that's so your scale came from acquisition that you didn't have a natural add seven Jacobs brothers and then we acquired thirteen years and then came to Jacobs brothers. She decided to exit out of the business. You sold your assets and your brothers moved on rights. What do each of them do. Oh well anti-fraud couple years ran a not for profit so he was in that world for a number of years and then he is now a financial advisor for Bernstein to ingrate taking care of his people and and he's he's joining his career peters a number of things he was in the end not business he wrote poetry and and it's it's hard to imagine someone making money in poetry but Pete in Nineteen Ninety eight was won a twenty thousand dollar grant for any the tree listener. That's it's just an indication of how good he is. Now is smart he is and and now he's he's in recently was in the real estate business and now he's an artist so he has many skills and a block away from me. We leave out up North Sea. We live that Steve. Well Steve also known as your to him as as gum. Oh Goma Mokoena who's who's never around he's he's in new haven and he he practices law with my first cousin. Bruce and Bruce's daughter and my dad my eighty eighty nine year old dad. That's incredible who still we still goes into work. That's great. That's great keeps him gone and loves doing it so you exit out of the business. And what do you think you know I I and my brothers I. I always miss the great piece that we grew up eating. We could not find a great thin crust pizza here so you know I it always thought about trying to do solly style pizza new himself pizza here in Chicago because let's stop right there so we three. I've known you guys since we were young kids but it was. U2 who introduced me to Sally's beats which is how you pronounce it sallies the Pizza. If you will wooster square tradition in new haven let's start with the style of Pizza Napolitano style pizza. What is that about. What makes it unique to the world? It's how it's made. Every pizza is ham formed. Every piece of dough is stretched out topped with the right balance of sauce and cheese and toppings. It's not about how much pile on about you know being able to taste the flavors on. It's a beautiful crust that is chewy and it's crunchy and you hold it in your hand and you fold it over and that's really what it's all about. I remember her Sally Consignia. He's telling me you don't throw it up in the air point was you don't want to destroy the gluten. That's in the Dow now that I think about it. I never saw him through. Throw it. You don't throw it now because you don't want to destroy the gluten ago. I didn't realize how good Sally's pizza was until my family left new haven and we moved to suburban. DC My mom and dad took me to some restaurant and well. I'll just clean it up here. My father described something like a Ritz cracker with with red sauce on top and something resembling rambling and it was horrible. It was just horrible and it made me really want to I mean it really made me want to come back to new haven then and have sally's so you're out in Chicago and I I mean I don't know the food scene here that well but I I do know about deep dish and I can't eat it. I just I look at it and I got I can't I can't did you see the opportunity unity in the opposition like coming into enemy territory and saying I'm GonNa take this over or at least I'm going to create my mark with a new haven style pack. Had that happened happen. Well the idea was there where I get your point. There are plenty of naysayers each Chicago's known for deep dish pizza so that is what Chicago is and people were telling me you going to Chicago is with a new haven style pizza because frankly no one not many people know where new haven let alone what sell pizzas but I was confident that if I was if we were able to come close to replicating the great pizza that we enjoyed growing up in new haven on wooster street that it would be well received because you don't have to tell people that something is good. You know they put in their mouths are like this is damn good stuff. You know so. I was confident with that. You know the communication thing with new haven that I knew it was. GonNa take some time and it did today. New Haven is it's every recognize it's everywhere to the point where we went to a concierge yesterday and they said Oh. What are you doing tomorrow. We're going to go visit our friend Bill Jacobs. Oh Oh from Peace Chicago up so you've done a really good job. You've been doing this eighteen years next month or this month eighteen years yeah. I I actually enjoy university president eighteen porcelain so upset send you something. I like to say that our pizza can now vote go to war but we won't get into that one. I'll get back to your point about about you moving to Washington and finding out the not all pizza's. This is great. We grew up my dad telling US referring to Sally's. This is the best pizza in the world but we didn't know anything about the world because we never left new haven but when I went to Boston the pizza wasn't good you know but he was right and you're right. Stu Katz Talk to me about your salaries experience. My parents have confirmed that my sally's experienced started before I was born in Utero yes and probably for him to if I had to guess yes that they went there while my mother was pregnant with me and I always remember going to Sally's as something I look forward to even as a little kid and the pizza was very good of course me my mother and my father each like different things on pizza pizza so we always got three smalls one for high one for my mother and one for me. Everybody can have whatever they wanted and as I grew older and and obviously you know through high school. Our high school was four minutes from Sally's Sally's used to be open for lunch one day a week and bill and I would go there for lunch. You know when we could which was fantastic so he'd walk from high school to or drive yeah. I don't think we would make that walk. That's probably not probably not a good walk to make oh you drive over and have lunch there on a Friday and we would have special occasions there. Someone's big birthday or bring the entire a staff of the summer camp that you and I worked at to Sally's for seventy or eighty people showing up a tally so it really became ingrained place to take a first date. Wait you know the thing about Sally's that bill did not want to replicate and believe me. I love sallies as much as the next person but let's be candid. People were going to Sally's for the pizza not so much for the ambiance or if you were not got a regular customer quite frankly the customer service so people that you know people like bill and I who had the secret this phone number or could not wait in line despite the fact that there was a line because sal sal and his family used to go oh to my father's restaurant because they lived in Westville so they would go to highs you know for lunch and then go down to Sally's to work so bill and I had a a different sally's experience and a lot of people because we had back states passes essentially so sally's as I recall couldn't have been more than on a seventeen eighteen hundred square feet couldn't a total right it was pretty tight ten and in the wintertime when it was twelve degrees outside people would stand in line for time in Memoriam to get in there and you always knew and there was somebody new there because these wild I look I look at what's going to happen next x and two stews point you weren't going. You're going there for the food. Not The experience that experience was not putting a quarter in the jukebox and listening the Frank Sinatra sing which of course to those who didn't know salary was what a knotty pine paneling and pictures of Frank Sinatra very old school. It's quite a mental picture to be in there and sit there and a booth crammed in with your fellow pizza lovers stews earlier reference the experience of peace you start with a greeter right and how does that experience go along a timeline during the customers time in your restaurant. I don't think that that when we certainly haven't recreate the wheel on the swan you know there's there's certain things that you do in restaurant aren't where you have a host and go through through the stages. You see the customer you provide menus yet drinks you know and they have have this experience but it's really up to us to make sure that we execute on all these levels that we have. We have a good host that we haven't good servers that our products are great so I think that what I learned obviously into his point. Is that what mistakes not to make. Always make sure that we're doing the very best that we can a and making sure that the experience is excellent every time. You're doing a great job with that because it seems to me anybody why mention piece to who lives in Chicago is either been there or knows about in a wants to go there but let's pivot and talk about something we referred to earlier when you're is kind of cross when I asked you about the number locations and the number employees you had. It seemed very clear to me that one of the things you really bothered adviser. He didn't know the talent that worked for you. You wanted to have a family experience with them. So how is it now. And what can you tell me about people who work there now how long they've been there. What's their story relative to peace. You know we couldn't be where we are today without them and one. I'm the proudest things that I can say is that we still employ the same people who opened the restaurant eighteen years ago and those who are are who who didn't have been with us for many years so we're clearly doing right by them and they're doing right by US and and doing their job but the bottom line is it's. It's been a great experience for them and we clearly have a very good culture. You know we really liked to we talk about family during you know feeling of family which is really what pieces all about so yeah. It always worked together. You have to have great people to get it done and you have to take care of your people. You only make them feel part of it and we've done a very good job of that and I'm proud to say that you know we now provide benefits for our people and it's just been an incredible experience for me just one more thing about the staff. The restaurant industry sorry is legendary for turnover legendary so when you consider in a in a large enterprise like like bill has that has maybe a one hundred twenty five pro approximately employees not only how low the turnover is in general but how many people have have been there. You're five nine eleven fifteen eighteen years that really says something about how he runs it because clearly there's plenty of other restaurants in Chicago. Any of these people might be able to get a job at if they wanted to. You guys have worked extremely heart and you have people that are loyalty you as they would be your three brothers and you to them ten. Generally you have a designation as being the top single unit operation in terms of revenue cross among pizzerias across the country for one unit independently owned independently owned. Yes that's gotta be because people absolutely well. It's because of the people and because of their ability and their commitment to putting out a great great product so you got to obviously have the product there but they get it done and they do it every day and and have so when somebody new comes to you to work. How do you introduce them to your culture. What happens so that they become part of the peace family quickly. It's a very good question but I think that we have such bright and sensitive people that it's almost seamless transition and let's say hey that not everyone stays because the processes when you when you work at peace if you're not working in the kitchen and you want to become a server. There's a process started. hosing you work your way up start at the bottom no one we have not never hired a server since we opened up the place place the process of becoming a server takes time either your host than your food runner and it could take over every year to become a server bartenders those opportunity to remove your but there's a commitment there that you've got to be when you have to put your time in and it's an doesn't always work because not everyone can wait a year to become a server but when they do it's it's incredible. I mean they stay there because they've worked hard and they're treated well and they're finally making really good money. Aw next time in part two of our conversation with Billy Jacobson Stu Katz well what was wicker Park like back in those days very very sketchy sketchy sketchy. I say they're they're prostitutes. 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New Haven Memories w/ Nick Nickson

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New Haven Memories w/ Nick Nickson

"You're listening to an LA kings podcast for more episodes of this and every other kings program visit L. A. Kings Dot com slash podcast. You're listening to the rainy day. Podcasts the official podcast up the Ontario Reign with your oath Cameron close and Zach Duly. Now it's time to get in the paw low again. Everyone welcome to the rainy day podcast. We're excited to be back. We've got a good guest for you today. I hope everybody enjoyed a nice Memorial Day weekend. Zach you have a good a good long weekend from a longer week. It was nice Went out to the beach. Couple of times in El Segundo Went out to the park in El Segundo to gun might Tan. Which as you can see in pretty well is a good weekend to get out of the house. Couple Times. Excellent weather here else go so we had a great time. I've never been a guy that chance although well. Maybe that was as sarcasm from you know. This is an audio podcast but it. It's not working. If I am going forward it was but it was good weekend on less. Well the big news we got to see this week the NHL their plan to resume play. We're GONNA talk about it in a bit more length in our third segment after the gas. We have Nick Nixon today. Very excited talk to him. But I wanted to start with it. Kinda jog my memory Eric. It made me go down this road watching the announcement and they had done fear on for an interview and he is the president of the NHLPA. Which is the Players Union and Mike to Rico? Asked him a question? I have the exact question so this isn't a quote but it was along the lines of like you know how was it Negotiating with the NHL and the owners. And you guys really seem to all be on the same page implied that they were very cooperative. Everything worked really well together and they got this and fears answer and again i. I don't know the exact quote in front of me by you can easily find it online. Was basically like well if you if you mean. We debated alive then. Yeah I guess it was just very back. I took it as a very backgammon ended. Comment like yeah. We still got. Are we still got our issues? And it just it opened up a bigger wormhole for me to go down with his baseball thing going on where you have players now. Complaining about the seventy percent pay cut. There is so much animosity. It seems every time in every sport no matter what between the Players Union and the owners and I know that like the lawyers that work for each of those groups. That's their job. It's battle and it's to win for your clients but it's amazing in this day and age that we haven't figured out a better way and how they're just always scenes seems to be horns locking between those two groups at every every sport it's important to note that the vote to wasn't unanimous through a couple of clubs Carolina IN TAMPA BAY. Who DID NOT VOTE? Yes to the original proposal. I think Gary Bettman said it wasn't a perfect solution. There wasn't GonNa be any solution that everyone was one hundred percent in Andrea. Someone's GonNa poke holes in this just as they would have no matter what they did with this resolution of play. I think the NFL did a pretty good job of putting together a well thought out proposal for not only the resumption of play but also the draft. But it certainly you know you look at baseball and Nhl Only lost ten games of the regular season. Baseball hasn't played a single inning of regular season ball this year so this return is a lot bigger for them than it is for the GEL in terms of the overall like landscape of the game and it seems like they don't appear to be overly close either on in the they're not even close and it like every sport you wonder if we're GONNA have another lockout in the NHL. At some point in our lifetime or at some point in the next twenty years and most people who around the game would tell you? It's more probable than not. I just like to think that I mean you can't lose a full season ever again. It just can't happen ever again it at already. Eleven twelve or Twelve thirteen excuse me was horrible. That was terrible. You just can't let it happen integrity. The League if you have to go through four zero five like I. I actually think Baseba- is probably closer than anybody to losing a full season because those salaries are getting so outrageous. And you know that the sport isn't growing exponentially like the salaries are like they're gonNa hit a wall the NHL in four zero five at least was like you know what we do this once. We get the salary cap in place. Maybe it's GonNa keep us on an even keel for a little while you know for for what it's worth but baseball seems to be going that way and they don't seem to be close accurate. Oh Go ahead I was reading. It said you know. The proposed a revenue sharing thing similar. To what the NHL has in place and the PA immediately rejected. Say this salary cap and we won't agree to that. Yeah at some point at some point. You're going to have to have a salary gap like there is. It's just so awful illogical my opinion to not have the dodgers to fifty luxury tax is a joke. So here's here's my thoughts on his baseball thing and Zach bit more about it so I'll let you elaborate. I don't necessarily get into the weeds as much on the semantics but a lot of the players. Whatever the the newest structure that was put out by the ownership that that the players are having some problems with is that the highest paid players are basically have to take a seventy percent. Pay Reduction like a player who is making ten million has to make two point nine for the season whereas players who are making under a million. There's was cut in half or so they. You know the lowest was gonna be like two hundred or two hundred fifty thousand Around that rank. I can totally understand and there's been a big twitter. It's been very prevalent on. Twitter has been a lot of words flying around from both both sides from fans arguing about it. I can totally understand players needing to fight for their for their money. You know I hear it the in the NFL. I've heard that a very us. I'm sure it's it goes to every sport every locker. You don't talk about another man's money you don't count another man's money like you. Don't worry about what your team mates making worry about you. So I totally get that. If you're making ten million dollars and it goes to three. It's a big difference. I totally understand a player Fighting for that the guys who are making thirty five million being asked to go down to nine whatever it is I totally understand it. I also think that fans on social media and any sports talking had anything like that. Us on this podcast. Whoever as every right in the world to criticize the players for that to like that is a first world problem? You're in a time right now. Where people are losing their hourly jobs and can't afford their monthly rent anymore so I don't have much sympathy for a guy who's complaining about a seventy percent pay-cut from ten million to two to three million or from a guy who's who's GonNa Complain About Know Five fifty to fifty when that's the minimum i. If I were in the players position I get it again so but I have no problem with fans complaining that these guys won't play the game. They're making millions of dollars at the end of the day. They are in their in a better position than ninety nine point nine percent of people who are looking on so I see both sides but I think fans have every right to complain about about these baseball players complaint. I I'll fans are gonNA complain no matter what happened so it doesn't matter right. That's just what people who are emotionally invested. Do I think that from what I read in? The players already agreed. Essentially to fifty percent salary cut across the board essentially pro-rated deal so if they played eighty one games they would get fifty percent of their salary and so on and so forth. I think that the people asking them to take the pay cut. You know have net worth in the billions. So you're talking. You're you're talking about million dollar cuts from people were multiple billion dollars in terms of the ownersh. So I I guess you can see both sides. Obviously playing games in front of no fads is a massive loss for teams. But if I was a player I'd be doing the same thing I mean. What if you're you know? How many years can you make that much funny? You know you can set not not that you know. Five million dollars isn't a lot as opposed to twenty or whatever whatever it may be but you have a chance to make your family set for the next two hundred years by a deal that you sign. Then I'd probably be fighting for that as well and not to mention. The players also mentioned that they were unhappy with the health and safety protocol set in place to. So maybe that's just a you know a talking point but there's that too like if the players saying hey. I'm not even one hundred percent comfortable with this situation. I asked him play in these unsafe. Conditions for twenty percent. I'd probably be balking to and again like I said I wanNA make it crystal clear if I were. I was in the players position. I totally get but I'm not so I have no problem being upset. When knitting enter player named here goes on social media with a tirade about being asked to play for three million in September and so I have no problem with complaining about that. And you know what name me and owner that it's it's not easy to be an owner and be in the public eye like there are probably you could count on one hand owners that people like right like like. I would say in the. Yeah Yeah you think. Mark Cuban Art Rooney and probably Bob Kraft if you're in New England just because of the success but with with the except and obviously he says on issues that people think we're now but I think It's it's most of the time as an owner. You're just trying to stay under the radar and you don't want to be in the limelight. And you know everybody complains about honors because they know that these guys are for them. It's the difference between having a billion and having one point one billion on their negotiating side. So I think it's the same kind of thing like you know whether you have one hundred dollars in your pocket or a million dollars you're going to try to make it into more money and I don't think anybody's thought process changes on that. I think when the players do it. It's because there's so many more of them that we probably just like they just they get a little more flack because they usually don't to now they are and things like that but the owner. They're doing the same thing the owners are doing as they should. So I guess I think whenever it comes to money and whenever it comes to people with a lot more money than than other people like naturally I think it's okay to be critical but again I got do do what they do. Just trying to make more money for their business. And you're like labor dispute like at. Unfortunately it affects. The problem is. Is that the people that it affects down the line like when there's NHL lockout in the the guy who works concession stand now literally has no job instead of just has to live off his last year ten million salary so I mean most most people involved in these negotiations would be fine if there was no baseball this year. But you know it's the people in the Front Office people who work game days who you know. Now you're seeing a lot of NLP teams cutting off the salaries as well to help. Lighten the burden and you know. I think the last thing that any these owners want to see is their net worth trending on twitter. Right they want us to billion dollar figure as fair or not fair. It's going to be like this guy. Where two billion is taking money away from these guys who make forty thousand whatever you know. That's always spun so it's difficult situation for sure on. Hopefully you know it'd be great to see baseball comeback if it's able to do so safely and hopefully they're able to kind of find a find a middle ground. I just WanNa see some sports thank goodness we finally got the NHL Talking about it and Zach again. We'll talk about this morning close but I know that you know I mentioned on the last podcast like I wanna the NHL to be. I I'm really and there I I. It's really exciting to me. I think it's awesome the sport of hockey for a casual fan. Like I said last time I would never watch the UFC really regular basis. But it's on. I'm putting it on like it's something some sort of competition I've been to the German Bundesliga and I've been into NASCAR actually so I've been watching watching both of those sports pretty regularly especially on the weekends others says Nascar Race on when recording tonight. And you know this German soccer's on most mornings on the weekends and getting my fill their if there's an NHL with no other sports a man they have such a great opportunity to catch the casual fans to watch the best sport that they just never sat down and watched for two hours. That that you get a casual van to watch. It's going to be great regardless. Let's move right along. Let's bring in our. I guess we'll talk more about this. After the fact for now let's Go to our guest nick. Nixon is the play by play broadcaster of the La Kings. The radio play by play. Man has been for thirty nine years with the kings and he joins us now. Nick thanks for coming on pleasure. Cameron Nice to be talking Here at the end of May After we've been Away from the game for well over two months now so yeah glad to be with you for sure Zach. I think nick is our first hall of Famer on the rainy-day podcast is that right or no. I think he I think he is Brett. Sutter didn't get in there yet. Not yet we're removing up as we got a bread. Sutter is definitely a future. Ahl Hall of Famer. But I would say so. Yeah for now and Nick has the honour. Well thank you. I appreciate that. Thanks for the kind words Yeah Zaken and Cameron You mentioned Thirty nine years doesn't seem like it's been that long and I guess part of the reason for that is it's been so much fun Came out in November of nineteen eighty. One was doing the Kings Minor League Games. The new haven nighthawks back at the time and I got the job here worked With Bob Miller for nine seasons we did simulcasts back then and Yeah time flies when you're having fun. That's for sure. Well I definitely want to get into it. We WanNA talk. Ahl Of course because you worked with two different AHL teams and and definitely WanNa talk about your time working as a color guy which you just never see anymore but before we do that and before we talk hockey we always liked to open up with a With question usually lately. They've been would you rather than that's what it is once again today. So I'm GONNA give you a. Would you rather neck? And you gotTa let me know. A which when you'RE GONNA take so. Okay would you rather would you rather be the world? Rubik's cube champion. You can do any Rubik's cube anytime in about two seconds and you're going to hold the title from now for let's call it fifteen years at bare minimum Or you're going to be on a US postage stamp and Zach. Visit the questions. Open you as well. Wow well As a kid in in my younger days as an adult I collected stamps And I know this. Which is why. I'm going to say the Rubik's cube because the only way the only way you can get yourself on a stamp is if you're dead because I'd like I'd like to hold off on that for a little while longer. So Gone Rubik's I'm a Rubik's Cube Guy. Oh Canada's would answer it's funny my you know Meredith and I were talking all weekend about if you had to switch up on the dollar bills and coins who we would do like. We're talking about that and I learned that you. Obviously you can't be alive so apparently that was than he is in stamps to. I didn't know that Zach. Does that change anything for you or I didn't know that either I was I was half expecting nick to come on and say that he's already been on a stamp and put that out there Well it's my picture. My picture has been circulated but not on stamps. I was I was thinking about it from a financial standpoint. Like being on a stamp would be really cool. But I feel like I could monetize Rubik's cube thing for a few years and make some money off of against world record or something like that but you know Zach is just thinking about the bottom line here. That's about the dollars and cents here. It's upstate New York is they're just money. Grubbers Layer. Okay well very good. That's really enlightening. That about the stamp by that kind of you know I definitely would've taken the stamp and now I think yeah you're right what does it you see. Learn something new every day. You know what Zach you and all of our fans are GonNa have to bear with some of my my play-by-play fan boy questions. But you don't often see people move nowadays from Ahl job to H job. You get a team and you stick with it and although it happens from time to time there's usually a story behind it. What happened there? What made you go from from Rochester? Who now is one of the more established American Hockey League teams to New Haven? Yeah Interesting question Yeah I started in a midway through the seventy five seventy six season in Rochester. I graduated from college. Ithaca College in Nineteen seventy five so the following. I think it was February the a broadcaster for the Rochester Americans Lanny for Terry. Who was a rochester native as well as I am Got The job with the Pittsburgh pirates. he was doing the the Americans amherst as we call them in the winter and he did. I think at the time the pink. The Pirates Minor League team was the Charleston. Charlies internationally so he would do baseball in the summer and hockey the in the winter and he got the opportunity to Replace the legendary Bob Prince as the voice of the Pittsburgh Pirates Back in nineteen seventy six so so he had to leave the AMAS Before the season ended to join the pirates for training camp and I remember my my dad had called me Who WORKED IN RADIO IN ROCHESTER? And he knew you know all the people that were in Rochester radio including lanny for Terry who before he got the job with the amherst worked at the same radio. Station is my dad and my dad said you know. Lanny's leaving if you're interested in doing the You know this is what you should do. Send a tape Blah Blah Blah. Well okay hung up the phone and at the time. I was a disc jockey in Rochester Which was my my first paying broadcasting job out of college. I actually worked my senior year weekends. doing Dj work at this station. And so I felt this was the path I was going to go on And I wasn't really overly excited about an opportunity to get into sportscasting. I've always loved sports but I just felt that I'm I'm tracking the right way. I'm happy so a couple of days past and I went to my box of college stuff and there was one reel of tape in there and it wasn't labeled and I put it on my machine and it was a tape of a an Ithaca College hockey game. Excuse me I think it was against I wanNA say Oswego state and And I listened to it and I said you know what this is a very good I can't send us in even if I interested so the next day. I go to the radio station where I'm working. I go at night when no one's around and I go into the production room and I put the tape On a reel to reel and edit out all the bad stuff took me about three hours to get smart. Maybe ten minutes maybe ten minutes of decent play-by-play and Zach and adirondack. Yeah I mean you look back you look back on this stuff and you go. How does anybody ever higher you But so I sent them the tape and I got the job and finished that season and I did. The next season and then Then they let me go I just got married. In June of seventy seven came back from a honeymoon and I found out they weren't going to rehire me so now I'm starting to scramble around and back then. The American Hockey League didn't have that many teams. I think there were only eight. You could probably research this You know for seventy will be seventy seven seventy eight season maybe only eight teams so I called every one of them with the exception of Nova Scotia which was a Canadian team. Obviously and asking if they had an opening because I after doing you know games for a year and a half. I kind of enjoyed it and felt maybe I'll pursue this and there was an opportunity in new haven and they hired me. They they only had a part time. Guy Did weekend's Game Weekend Games. He was also a A disc jockey in new haven a former minor league player as well so he would travel and do just weekend games on their radio station. But there were looking to expand to Somebody to do full-time do all. Seventy two seventy six games. Whatever the schedule was back then so I got the job there and Was there for four working on my fifth season When the door opened in Los Angeles the kings and nighthawks at that time had a working agreement and things just kind of fell into place. And that's how I wound up in Los Angeles Nick. The AHL is a much different league now that it was back. Then you know kind of had the reputation in the seventies and eighties as you know maybe more funding league more of League where rather than just you know to develop young players. It was a retirement league for players. To where you had a lot of older guys who went to finish their careers. And how have you? How did you see the development of that league in your time there and since you've moved onto the NHL? Do you least progress. Yeah it is much different Zach Than it was you know when. I was there in the Late seventies early eighties I I remember well new haven the team. I I worked for usually every year. Gm and coach Park Parker MacDonald He would sign a couple of older pros to American League contracts and they'd wind up living in new haven and they do some pr work in the off season One of them was Gary Gilbert who was A defenseman broken I think with the Minnesota Stars another was ray clearwater. Who had a lot of time in the W. H. a? With the the Cleveland Crusaders and and in new haven my first year. They actually worked with two different. Nhl Teams One was I believe Was the north stars and the other was the New York Rangers so as opposed to present day in the Ahl where all the players AHL team are part of one NHL Organization. And as you guys know a lot of the AHL teams are owned by the NHL team that they work with So you had local Players to to give the team you know. Fan Fan favorites and we had a player that Tom Colley newhaven played there for six or seven years would always be one of the top scorers. Just wasn't quite talented enough to to make it to the Ahl but he loved playing the Kings loved to have him back in the lineup so he played there for a long time So yeah and then there were some teams. I remember the story where I started with the Rochester Americans even before he started doing games. I think I was still in college. That's when Don Cherry got his first. Coaching GIG The local ownership group in Rochester had hired Don Cherry. Who was coaching high school hockey in the Rochester area after he retired and they they signed him to coach and they had really no working agreement with any NHL team. So they're on the phone almost constantly every day leading up to the regular season getting players from this organization. Three from here at two one for you know it was a mishmash and basically it was all the players that the NHL team didn't want playing for the regular American Hockey League or Central Hockey League team. So yeah some teams had to scramble just to get together a twenty man roster Quite a few teams back when I was doing the Games The AHL teams had to NHL affiliates. Because there just weren't that many Pro players like like the like they are today and of course today You know the AHL wants to play the same way their NHL parent team does so. There's a nice transition when when players go go up and down remember you know hearing about the at around redwings in the League at that time and they went to the Calder Cup and they benched the prospect goalie for you know. The veteran goalie in the playoffs which. I don't think you'd ever see happened today. Just kind of speaks to the difference in the League's there but the broadcast or the team at that time was dave straighter and he was in the League with you doc. Emrick was in the at that time. Did you guys ever look back and think like all these guys who were just young is getting into broadcasting and you all went on the NHL jobs and jazz you know reflect back on that and you're like Oh yeah absolutely I think When I was in the American League The Maine Mariners had just started the flyers Bought the H. L. Franchise and they played in Portland Maine and they hired. Mike Emmerick. Who was doing games in the IHL? So I knew Mike During my tenure in that league You mentioned Dave Straighter. Who was from the Glens falls area and was the first broadcaster for the Red Wings? Rick Peckham worked in Rochester. Actually he took over for me when I left. Rochester and Interestingly enough about an hour and a half ago I just talked to Rick But yeah I mean whenever I see Mike Emmerick which isn't as often now because Mike's doing exclusively Network stuff. We always throughout out names of of Old players on our teams in new haven and main For Two straight years the nighthawks mariners met in the CALDER Cup final. So yeah we have a lot of memories You know going back to to our time in in the AHL and of course we lost Dave Couple of years ago to cancer but Yeah absolutely just great times nick. A couple of those guys you mentioned amongst yourself to your You mentioned my camera. Dave Straighter Foster Hewitt Award winners which you one or you're awarded in two thousand fifteen. It's it's you know. Neck and neck with E C H broadcaster of the year but it is the highest honor. The broadcaster can receive one to. I think it's one one tour not sure. Yeah it could go either one depending on depending on the year but no I. It is As far as I'm concerned all worth winning I want to hear about how you found out that you were going to be receiving the award and you know talk to me about that weekend in Toronto and everything behind that. Yeah well. It was a weekend to remember. That will never forget. I mean it was done first class by the NHL and the people the hall of fame there Pr Person Kelly Massey And course the kings were very much a part of that weekend Always grateful to people like lucrative tie and and Kelly cheesman. I got the call in early. June of two thousand fifteen Chuck Keeton The former play by play Voice of the Carolina Hurricanes has been the president of the NHL Broadcasters Association for a number of years. So he's the one that gets to to call the recipients every June which is a nice job to have and He called me and With the time change I had just woken up here in. La Us on the East Coast. And you just kind of wonder. Am I still sleeping and dreaming here but then the reality set in and After I got done talking with Chuck Bob Miller of course hall of fame broadcast the Kings Called me he I think is still on the selection committee and so he knew I was going in during that year. So yeah that was Kind of A surreal moment. It's something I don't think any of us whether you're a broadcaster or a player ever thinks of attaining it just comes Based on you know I guess. Time and Quality and perseverance and consistency. So yeah I'm very proud of it and You know for those of us who are in have received the Foster Hewitt Award. There are probably just as many people who are just as deserving of course and you know there have been a handful of guys who won it as a color commentator but but the large majority is play by play in that kind of transitions. The what we mentioned at the top of the call which was that. You started as Bob Miller's color which you just never see anymore you know we're you going to that experience. I imagine it had to be interesting for you. Because on the one and you had gotten to the NHL you'd gone out of the Ahl and you were there but on the other hand you obviously Desire to do play by play and I think There is a big difference between the two and for I think it. I think I read nine years. Correct me if I'm wrong. You just had to kind of listen to it. And Pre and provide commentary. Yeah you know the the opportunity Opened UP Pete. Weber was doing the games with Bob for a couple of seasons and At the start of the eighty one eighty two hockey season. Pete left very early on in November late October because he got the job with the Seattle Supersonics as their play by play voice so the kings were kind of scrambling and To just make a long story short they said. Who's doing our games in the minors Was In new haven. I sent them a tape and they hired me and I was happy just to I considered it. Obviously a step up Going from the American League as a play by play voice to the NHL as a color commentator and for those of us who are old enough to remember back then Most of your color commentators in all of the sports were professional broadcasters they were not ex athletes so it wasn't really a difficult transition for me to make. It wasn't a a tough decision for me to make to go from new haven to to La And then kind of fast forwarding non years later Gretzky's in La. The Games are more popular. The buildings selling out More Games on TV almost every game is on TV. Now and the king's decide well. It will be a better production at both ends if we did away with simulcast and split crews so to speak so they actually gave me the choice of staying on. Tv and doing color are moving to radio and doing play by play and two things came into play. When I made my decision one I always felt my strength was in doing play by play so I wanted to get back to doing that. And the other thing was at that time There there was a trend towards the ex athlete starting to go into the broadcast booth and do caller some around up doing play by play but ninety five percent of them have done caller so those two factors kind of weighed in my decision to go from a job which. I thoroughly enjoyed working with Bob for for those nine years doing something that I really felt. I was much better at full now. No of course. You're in the play by play role you switch over to radio now your your color commentator is Darrel Evans who People see all the time. He's got a great mustache in my opinion but a lot of came out you could have put that mustache to shame with the what you'd takes one Google images to see you as a young man with You know I think Tom selleck would be impressed. So I for sure for sure. Why did you? Why did you get rid of it? Was that was clearly there for a while. Yeah it was I started growing it Well probably when I grow one I think my freshman year of college and I had throughout You know the the the time I got married I had two kids and if I remember correctly I think of the year was nineteen ninety six. So this is what twenty four years ago we had ended our regular season. We weren't gonNA make the playoffs. We ended the season Colorado. We flew home and I said to myself here. My two resolutions for the offseason. I'm going to shave my mustache. And I'M GONNA lose twenty pounds. Well unfortunately I only did one of those two things so the Mustang the mustache came off and I never forget it This is in mid April because their season it ended did make the playoffs and I sleep in after coming on flying home from Denver. I get up and my wife is at school. She was librarian. The kids are in school and then the kids come home from school and they look at me and for three straight days all they can do is laugh at me because they had never seen me without a mustache so they just thought it was the funniest thing and then as as a ran into people once the season started again. I get the comment. Boy You look a lot younger without it so all right. This is good. This is a good thing. So yeah that's why haven't grown it back. The people think I look younger without it. So okay. That's fine. That's fine yeah I will say this guy. Say we'll say this about five or six years ago The kings used to have A contest The Kings Care Foundation playoff beards for charity. I forget what they call it. You grow a beard you raise money for for the king's Care Foundation so I decided to start growing a playoff beard. Once the regular season started and boy it was ugly it came in technicolor. It was read. It was Brown was gray black. So that was the end of the playoff beard for for Nixon. So so yeah. It was just Something I felt like doing But yeah you go back You know I look at some of those old photographs I have of me with the new haven nighthawks in the early days of the kings and go all that hair the mustache holy cow. I mean but that was the style right. I was We're I late mid late seventies. I was right in the middle of the start and thankfully the end of the disco era. You you fit it well at that time just by by the eye test I will. That's your that's your daily knickknacks and Mustache Trivia. That's something you can't find online. That in your find it no no it. Yeah and it's kind of creepy. How exclusive slow crazy. How much the the facial hair can change how you look. I remember we had a player who required midseason any came in with a beard and kept the beer throughout the playoffs. He got into a pretty thick beard in the playoffs and then shaved it before exit interviews and I saw this guy come down the hall just like who is this guy. Never seen him without beard. It I didn't recognize him on the first couple of takes like took me like oh sky place for our team and you get accustomed to seeing it and then it's gone. It's like a different person. Yeah we've we've kind of made a transition from mustaches to full hockey. So many of the The players with the full now. They'll get I'll be back soon up another another one. I WanNa ask you about it's Some people may know. I think a lot of people don't but if I go to your wikipedia page neck it says Nicholas Nick Nixon and that is in fact From what I understand. Not your birthday. I Lots Times. You see these these wikipedia pages and it says the full name commonly known as Nick Nixon so I can. You can elaborate on that a bit for the fans. Yeah Interesting because During this downtime we've had With the with the pandemic we've all done A lot of House cleaning and Going through old photos and organizing and get getting rid of things and my wife was going through photos and she came across my birth certificate. Which obviously my mother had kept and I looked at it and on my birth certificate is Nicholas Robert Nichol yachties. Which is my my father's. Let's see my father's actual last name obviously Greek descent and my dad when he started working after World War. Two after he served in the war he got into radio and he became a disc jockey and the Nik- Nikola yachties show just did not have a pretty good rink to him so the translation Nicotine Ottis in Greek. Basically means the son of Nick so he decided to kind of Anglo size it and make it Nick Sun which is why it's NFC K. S. O. N. as opposed to an I ex Owen which is probably the more common spelling. When someone's there mentions your name is Nixon and so as a kid growing up and when my father became a professional broadcaster he always referred to himself as Nixon and you know when I was a kid you know from the time I can remember as a young guy and starting in school it was always Nixon. I mean whenever the teacher called. Roll it was Nixon And you know I've I've often wondered this. I mean I don't think it's ever legally been changed. I mean it doesn't have to write unless you're doing something fraudulent but yeah I mean that's still the name and well that's never gonNA change the Nicotiana on my on my birth birth certificate. I remember hearing a story in the American Hockey League about a broadcast. Drew actually worked for one of the teams that you worked for and the Person who was doing the travel arrangements for the team didn't realize that he was using a stage name or was using a different name. The radio he booked his flight ticket for like the first game of the season. What his name is What he refers to himself by in the League and he wasn't able to get on the plane right away and they had to go during an enormous brossel. So I can believe it. I can believe it. Yep Yep so another thing I want to get into. As as you mentioned you're entering you're going to be entered your fortieth year. Which what an accomplishment that is to to be in the NHL over for four decades now no matter what position even as a front. I mean it's just a it's a real accomplishment with one team I WANNA I wanNA know how some things have changed the way. We wouldn't expect you know how. How is the travel in the NHL in the accommodations? And the and the way you go about your day to day on the road changed from From the eighties. The nineties all the way up to now. Yeah well travel wise. The the big the big differences. You Charter everywhere. All the teams and all the sports do back when I started out. Everybody traveled commercial and at the time when I began with the Kings There were only our closest rivals are are shortest road trips. Were to Saint Louis or Vancouver from La so we did a lot of travel Always Commercial The players were mixed in with the general public Some guys would switch seats. They'd play cards sometimes. You get the middle seat. Rookies always got the the seats It was all coach Nobody traveled for his class. Not Even the coaching staff or the GM And that was difficult for the Kings because of their location and all the time it took to travel to get from La to any other NHL city. So you lost out. The the Kings lost out on a lot of practice days throughout the season. And nowadays as you guys well know because you're associated with the kings on a daily basis through the Elsa Gun Training Facility The kings will you know maybe play a game on a Saturday night. They'll get up Sunday. They'll practice at ten o'clock and Elsa Gundel they'll go right to the airport and jump on a plane at one o'clock and go to the next city they're gonNA play it so they don't lose those quality practice days So that's number one And you the accommodation's always been first class there. I think they're even better now I remember about Oh gosh. Twenty years ago we went on a long road trip. I think about a twelve day road trip and my meal money was about nine hundred and something dollars and I opened up the envelope on the plane and I and I said to the so whoever was near me. I said this is more money than I made in one month in the American Hockey League salary so the you know the the per diem the hotels the planes. That's all first class and it. It's all geared to keep the athlete as Well conditioned as possible to maximize you know their game on the ice. That's the bottom line so yeah Travel Wise No question about that. That's the big difference so neck through my extensive extensive research being with Pedia. You're an Ithaca College graduate same. School has another. Nhl Broadcaster Brendan Burke who I worked with in UTICA. Is that the new pipeline for any broadcast bombers. Yeah I I don't know you might get an argument from a couple of Syracuse University. Alums that are in the NHL Syracuse okay there there you go there you go no I You know going to with my freshman year was seventy one and I was like probably most of the other kids that are starting out in college. Really had no idea what I wanted to do when I got done with college. And as it turned out in Africa at the college there were two radio stations. That were run by the students and am and FM station And if you wanted to you could basically get on the air and get experience as a newsman sports doing game at the gym or over at Cornell Liner Rink where the icy hockey team played or do a three hour. Dj Ship Couple Times a week. You could do it. You showed the initiative You know the the station was run by students and The talent was worse to Members of the student body so the experience I gained there and and the ability just to get experience on the air from my freshman year through the time. I graduated was certainly invaluable. I mean I talked earlier about. I got my first job In Hockey Finding a tape. I had an icy hockey game If if I don't get the opportunity to work at that college station you know. We're probably not having this conversation today. So so yeah it's a college Look back at that with fond memories only because it it really laid the groundwork for what has become a a career broadcasting career that is now pushing pushing close to Gosh fifty years. Well Echo that college radio is one of the best things that exists for students want to get involved in that type of thing and and I just about Syracuse. But they just seem to dominate the broadcast world. What is it the new house school? I like how do I know the name? Well you know as much type everybody yeah. Let's go with percentages guys? What are the percentage of people to Syracuse? Is a much better school much bigger school than than ethic is I like percentage wise. Well I got one more for you had to wait a while but you get you get to Stanley. Cup Rings you get to call to Stanley Cup Championships. Which even just getting there is such a tough thing to do but to have the two of them you have any good Stanley Cup stories. Obviously you you. You got the touch for the first time. I imagine a touched a prior which some some people do But did you. Did you take a day? You do anything with it. When when did you finally get to see it after calling at least the first one? I'm always curious about those Stanley Cup interactions. Yeah well we won the First Cup and twenty twelve. We found out Just a few days after that We were able to we be able to at some time during the offseason. Get a chance to you know host a cup party for for lack of a better phrase and Really the first time that I touched. The Cup sought up close after they want it. The kings one it which is why June eleventh was probably the following week Bob Miller and his wife Judy decided they would a day with the cup and we were invited and I remember the Forbes. Broadcasters all got a picture with the cup one of the first pictures I have with with the only cup that would be bob and Jim and then myself with Darryl And then I was invited to a couple of other Stanley Cup parties from kings that were hosted by kings employees. And I got the opportunity to get it For An evening In September early September and by the time it came around to me we had been to three or four Stanley Cup parties throughout the summer. And I kind of had a good feel for okay. How how do we do this and make it work for everybody? What's the best way to to to have a Stanley Cup? Party would the Stanley Cup where the stars. Obviously the Cup itself so I I took some notes and I decided We're GONNA do the party at The golf course that was once called Robinson ranch out here in Santa Clarita. Their golf pro was huge. Hockey Fan played hockey as an adult adult leagues. And I went into the pro shop one day in the summer. I said His name is Larry Atlas. I said Larry. Would you like to to host a Stanley Cup party? GotTa so yeah sure. So they gave me They're they're banquet room For nothing didn't charge me any rent and believe me guys was like planning a wedding. I invited two hundred people And then you have to. You know you sit down with your kids. Because they've got friends they WANNA have there and you know. Put Down Your List People. You want to invite and The more I got to think about it the more I said you know what? Let's let's do this. Let's not only invite people we know but let's invite kings season seat holders that live here in Santa Clarita. We did that. And then we also on the invitation put If you'd like to view and take pictures of the Stanley Cup. We are asking for donations to raise money for the Ace Bailey and Mark Davis Foundation The two scouts who who perished in nine eleven so It was great some people Took their their husbands their wives. Not telling them where they were going when they walk in the the banquet room and they see the cup just the reaction is priceless and and for me the biggest part about hosting the parties both seasons we won. We did it at the same place was the look on the fans face when they get to see and take pictures and hold the COP That's worth that. That's where it that's waiting goal so You know I kinda did my homework because I got the couple later in the summer and had been to a lot of parties and seeing what worked and what didn't work and what we can make better but I was very happy with the result and You know hopefully maybe that the team has won more in them before before we call it a career. I hope so as well. Let's see. Yeah so that's get these rain guys up there and get him to Zach told me right before the the call that last to go this year in the NHL regular season were by gave Belotti. Martin I THE WHOLE NHL. So there you go. We're doing something right nine Terry. Let's go no and and you know you mentioned the rain in those two players and and yeah I mean the pipeline is Is Looking Great You know firsthand you you guys because you see the rain day in day out during the season but the progress. A lot of these guys are making You know when Gabe came up know us able to play in a string of games really for the first time in his career at the NHL level and they seem that he sees the beginning seemed to have been getting better and better with every game and all he needs is summer of conditioning. And hopefully he gets that but Yeah the Lozada's and all the picks that Robert Blake is acquired It's GonNa be exciting going to be exciting for not only the Kings but also the Ontario Reign fans because there are going to be a lot of Very talented players coming through the system and the next couple of years and fleet a lottery. Balls the kingsway this time around and maybe talking about a top one or two top three. Yep Yep exactly we we really appreciate the time we appreciate you coming on and unfortunately an earlier end of the season and we would have liked and now we know of officially that. It's all done but we're looking forward to hearing you once again. Once you're forty season with L. A. Begins an wants the twenty twenty campaign site Finally starts at the NHL. Well Cameron Zach thanks very much for calling and Enjoy doing this with you. Guys and stay healthy and kings fans Keep the faith. We'll see you all soon. All right so thanks again to neck really enjoyed adding him on before we continue. I want to let everybody hear a message from our sponsor. Real-time pain relief committed to helping American businesses and organizations supplied with hand sanitizer during the covid nineteen pandemic real-time pain relief has substantially increased production of. It's real time hand sanitizer. Plus skin conditioner to thirty thousand units per day. The skin conditioning anti microbial jail contained seventy percent alcohol in kills ninety nine point nine nine percent of germs. There is a special deal available to rain in Kings Families. Apply Coupon Code Kings K I N G S with your purchase and receive a free gift to purchase go to our T. p. r. realtime pain relief. Rtp ARE DOT COM Zach the NHL announced the return to play plan while it got me sad because the whole time. They're like this is if we can do. This is what we're GonNa do if we can't do this. It's going to be like showing me the Chris Morning Presidents and then taking them away and say you can't open these like the whole time they were saying we just don't have a plan in place in case we could do this like just telling me we`re. GonNa we're GONNA move ahead. I need this. This is something I need right now. But it's twenty four team playoff the round robin in the first First Round and what? We talked about Best of three series 'cause that was floating around but there are none of those The five is going to be the least so at least you got something there that I know you want to see those three gamers. They addressed maybe my main concern. Which was that giving teams of by might actually be a disadvantage by those round. Robin Games to each. Those teams will get three games in regardless of seeds. You get a minimum three games before the actual playoff starts for. Something's a maximum of five. So I think that's kind of gets rid of that disadvantage. That may be a number. Once he might have like your first big game back could be a game one of the playoffs. That'd be tough so I think they. They eliminated that. I thought you know there's not a perfect proposal out there but I think what they came up with was pretty good and I think you won't find too many complaints really nonetheless. We will talk to you next week. That'll do it.

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Virtually Vulnerable

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Virtually Vulnerable

"It's night. And we find ourselves in Los Angeles, California. You see someone has been murdered and the only clue we've been given. So far tells us that if we want to uncover the truth, we should drive to a place that we would never have considered going. And so we get into our car and drive to the edge of the city on road. We'd never used direction never before gone. Ahead of us. We see a wooden boat block with a flashing light. That tells us that we should turn around media. But we don't instead we speed up faster and faster till eventually find ourselves smashing right through. And then we see. Everything in front of us the road the hills in the distance even the sky above us begins to look unreal. Like, a drawing almost like a blueprint. And then were struck by the undeniable truth our entire life has taken place in side of virtual reality. And if someone shuts off the virtual reality we get shot off to. That scene is from the nineteen ninety nine virtual reality. Crime thriller the thirteenth floor. It's a film that history seems to have largely forgotten quite possibly due to the fact that it was released the exact same year as the other reality is much think it is moving that kinda stole its thunder called the matrix. But to be totally fair. The matrix may not be the only movie we can blame for the thirteenth floor relegation to being footnoted cinematic history the nineties, we're kind of a crowded time for VR fi movies. An addition to those two Hollywood also pumped up movies like strange days, brain scan disclosure virtuosity. Johnny pneumonic lawnmower, man. And of course, lawnmower man partout, and that's just a small sampling. There's a whole bunch more to and for the better part of a decade. It seemed as Hollywood sole focus on scaring, the pants off of us with this new terrifying, all encompassing technology, and then nothing. Not only did Hollywood stop pumping out all of these VR thrillers. But our love affair with technology seemed to die out to it was one of those technologies that though it seemed cool. It was also ultimately to me anyway, seem kind of pointless until recently where VR has made a pretty epic comeback and one that seems poised to keep on growing, which got us thinking just how Hackel is virtual reality. And once we Don the glasses and enter these virtual worlds, could we actually be putting ourselves in very real danger. We're about to find out. Welcome to Hackel. An original podcast from McAfee. Computer is on the job around the clock in case of attack. Principal target is you the design is complete but with work Jerry cans with danger. I'm Geoff Siskind. I'm here as always with cybersecurity expert Bruce Snell. Hello, bruce. Hello, jeff. How are you today? I'm well. And welcome to season three cited I'm excited to and I'm excited about this episode virtual reality. I have this memory of when I was a kid, and I actually had to Google this just now just to see whether this actually happened. Timothy Leary, the sixteen. Icon be the granddaddy of LSD and probably many other things. I have this memory of Timothy Leary in a in a downtown ballroom holding court with probably three or four hundred people in the ballroom, all of whom had paid, you know, fifteen bucks to go see him. Sure. And he was sort of waxing poetically about this brand new technology, and it was kind of I guess like, you know, the modern day digital LSD virtual reality interesting, and he was kind of just going on about all sorts of other stuff. And I remember being teenagers thinking like I don't really understand what's going on. And then he showed this demo. And it was the most unimpressive demo it looked like Tron. It was just sort of like a wire frame of basically a room. But it didn't look like a room like a box and vector graphics. Probably. I did get to try it because there was hundreds of us. But a couple of people tried it, and yeah, you could sort of just look around the vector graphics at as I just googled it. I saw there was a New York Times article. I guess he was he was doing a tour around North America. And his big thing. He was going. Is that reality is an opinion. But, but you know, it seems to me that you know, lawnmower man happened, you know, thirteenth floor happened happened in the nineties, right? And then really nothing happened in my mind up until couple years ago these video game systems kind of kicked in. I think the real thing. That's that's delayed. That has been the the graphics the graphical capabilities, right? The screens are starting to actually get to the point where they they look real trans not going to really get you that engaged for long or lawnmower man type graphics, and and as part of this episode, not only did we go back to the early nineties to to you know, some of the early attempts at VR, but we looked back even farther than that. And we were kind of amazed to find the story of a filmmaker named Morton heilige who not only filmmaker, but he's also been credited as the granddaddy of virtual reality really in the nineteen fifties created what was supposed to be the cinema of the future. This. Awesome looking device that I really desperately want to try my home called the sensor Ramya. Wow. And so our story producer Pedro Mendez went to investigate the sensor. Emma and talked to a man who actually experienced censor, Emma. So I wanna play that for you. Now. It's the late nineteen sixties in New York's Times Square you walk past a penny. Arcade with games like pinball, duck kind and you see a machine that's different from all the others. It has a chair it has controls. And it has what looks like a hooded mask that you put your face into above the machine assigned, slowly, spins on one side 'lustration of a man falling into a swirling vortex on the other in rainbow colors, the word sense. Oh ram a sign on the side. Reads, see the movies of tomorrow three d why vision stereo sound aromas? We vibrations. You sit down at the sensor ram put a quarter in slot place. Your head into the covered viewer and you're transported far away. From New York. You're writing a sand buggy over the dunes of desert the cheer beneath shakes when you hit. A bump you feel the wind blow pasture face? You can even smell the exhaust of the car. You know, what was interesting about? It was the nobody else really at that time was was trying to do something that was immersive. That's Howard Rheingold Howard is a teacher artist and writer of dozen books on social media the internet and virtual reality in the early nineteen ninety s he actually got to try using a sense Aram when I was researching virtual reality. And it turns out that there was a film by name Morton highly in in Los Angeles who would create something he called since Aram. So I went down there to talk to him, and I went to his house, and he had he had one. Like, an arcade device, you know, a large machine that you you you kinda stuck your head in that you could experience the sounds and and sites of another world as if you were removed from this one. Morten highly was a filming and in the nineteen fifties. He became obsessed with creating type of cinema the could transport viewers into the fill. His ideas were so revolutionary some people even consider him the father of virtual reality, one of the things that was very pioneering about and was of us looking for the fully sensory experience. And that's where the sensor Ramat. Trump's even today's most advanced VR, not only did the chair vibrate in unison with what you were seeing on screen, and you'd feel the air rush pasture face most impressively, you could smell your environment. People have been experimenting smell for a long time problems. Mel, of course, is that. It's it's it's chemical in these dispersed through the air. So as I remember. Had some of liquid sense that could be wafted towards your nose with a little fan. And then the little fan to move it out again, and it wasn't just highly work on a sensor ram. That was pioneering. He also invented the world's first head mounted display in nineteen sixty that had three D wide vision viewing with stereo sound. But sadly, highly vision never came to fruition. Since ram was little more than a novelty until highlights death in nineteen Ninety-seven, an expensive novelty, not only was the sensor, I'm expensive to design and build the films that showed required a special kind of camera which highly also invented all done at his expense. It sunk highly into a debt so large his wife struggle to pay it off after his death. As of now, the only three cents ram is in existence. Sit in a shed near the highlights family home in cal-. -fornia if the family can't sell them to a museum or a collector, their fate might be the scrap pile. So that was story producer Pedro Mendez. Telling us the story of the sensory, which seems sort of amazing. I don't know if I'm reading too much into it. But it it it seems like one of those great technologies way ahead of its time. But kind of changed everything I hope some some tech industry. Guru buys one in put it in their house just to you know, maintain it for for posterity because that's just it's a really cool project. I think so too. So we're now jumping into to modern times, and I'm going to get on a plane and go to New Haven Connecticut to the university of New Haven. Okay. Where at the virtual reality lab, they have come up with what I I've been told is a very interesting virtual reality hack that could have some pretty dire consequences. So I'm I'm sort of flying blind on this one. So we'll see how so good luck. As always. All right. Thank you. Bruce. So we're here at the university of New Haven. I'm gonna get introduced yourself, sir. I'm Ebrahim Guilio or also known as a big Ely. I'm the founder of the research group and user, no long introduction. Peter KC graduate researcher. Okay. And you guys among other things I'm guessing have looked into hacking virtual reality. Yep. We've been looking at not just how king but also for Ensley analyzing virtually out system. What what is friends weekly analyzing mean? So we into sip-it that in the future. There's going to be more crimes that happen in virtual reality. But the idea is okay. If a crime does happen in voor involving virtual reality, what evidence can you recover or how can you reconstruct exactly what events took place, so that you can prove or disprove something. That's fascinating. And so the demo iphone down here to see I'm dying to know, what it is before you tell me, though, I wanna know what led you to to thinking about this kind of stuff. So we're basically just thinking about what they could possibly go wrong. You know for someone that's in VR specifically things that are related to immersion. You know? So like, what can we take advantage of given someone's completely there is is complete concealed? What? Kinds of things might they be volant vulnerable to maybe like obstacles in the room or stuff like that. And like what kind of privacy issues? There's a curious you might also go along with these devices. And so what are we gonna see today? You know, we don't want to let you know. What do you want to tell him? Feeder. I think after this you might reconsider having one of these just laying around your house. Okay. So you're not gonna tell me what's going to happen. Okay. I figured okay. Well in in the next room there is a VR setup. And I guess should we go in there? And try this thing let's do. Kidding? So I just want to break in here for a moment to give a little context. This whole thing is taking place in the VR lab at the university of New Haven, and I'm getting lead into the center room in the lab, which is where they've set up the demo for me, and the room itself is totally empty except for a very average looking desktop computer, which is set up in the corner and attached to that computer is a pair of consumer grade the are goggles. I get lead over to the computer, which is where Peter begins explaining the hacking scenario, the star this scenario would be your computer has been compromised in one way or another. So you've infected this with some kind of iris. Yeah, they could have clicked on say, you know, a bad Email phishing scheme. So all we need to know for the purpose of this is somehow even -ffected this desktop. Okay. So now over to let's say, my attacking were station, all of it can be done remotely. So. What I'm going to do? Here is execute the payload that I have on the machine actually connection. Yes. All right. And the civil you by infecting the computer with some kind of virus? You've now gained control of it. Somehow, I'm guessing so what what we built here has basically just like a little command and control interface for interacting with VM machine. Okay. And what are we what are we doing? We're gonna play. Yes. Yes. We are. Okay. So if you could put on please, okay. So I have the VR headset. I'm just putting it on. End some sort of like virtual medieval world on a. Tassell of sometime standing on a a a tower of a castle. There's a horrid people jumping up and down beside me in a weird outlined guy with flagged says, the horrid is threatening your castle. And this is super cool. I can look around and there's like mountains in the distance and clouds above me. Awesome. Oh, so you have just put up the logo for the hukou podcast blocking. No matter where I look it's blocking my view on this sucks. I was looking at the it's gone. Thankfully, we got rid of it for you. But that sorta scenario there where we take control of your screen. Yeah. That could be used for say as ransomware. Okay. Or maybe just you know, to put up disturbing content, or maybe some sort of phishing scheme. You could take my VR gaining system for ransomware. That's right. So we can see what you see and we can control what you see at this. Okay. Are you seeing the hordes of Vikings balking? Next up. But I'd like to show you is in order to keep you safe as your visions all completely concealed her encapsulated by the machine, if you fall sound of my voice over here, you'll see the blue virtual walls that prevents you from running into obstacles. Right. So this is super creepy because you're asking me to walk of the edge of a medieval tower, which only got so now I'm walking on nothing. Oh, and I see. Okay. I I now see a kind of like a wire frame grid the physical wall. That's right. So that's the keep you safe. So I do I know not to walk into the physical grid. Okay. But as you know, we're gonna hack that. But I'm going to go back to the safety of the tower because I find that we are. Now, if you walk back over there those boundaries ago, a really, okay. So I'm gonna. Oh my God. So I'm walking again off the edge of a turret. Okay. Oh, the boundaries are gone. But. Okay. But the wall the wall is here, but I could so you could have just walked into this wall. Okay. Okay. This is so weird. Because like I feel so vulnerable in this beautiful medieval paradise. And now we just invited by the game. Okay. So I'm standing in the middle of a turret. So yeah, I really can't. But I can grab does bow and arrow. Let me see this super cool. So using my hands in these controllers actually, pull back era north cool is that these controllers actually creek. But the ball game, I'm gonna try and shoot one of these dudes. That's fun. Okay. So just make sure you stay on the tower. Yeah. Okay. So I am. Come on. Okay. I keep missing this guy. Get him got him. Now, he blew up balloons came after the balloons. Okay. So now, the heart has gone away. And now individuals dunes are attacking me, and I can shoot them too. I think this is awesome. I'm shooting these dudes, but I got his liking mass. Okay. This balloons smacked. The wall. Hold on let still in the middle of the tower come on. Oh, my God is three biking's storming the castle the castle and they're burning castle down. Are you can take? Okay. That's there. Yeah. Okay. So I am on the complete opposite end of the room. I've probably moved. Eight feet nine feet wear. I started and the game. I was in the middle of the whole time. Did you feel like you're moving? I felt like I was looking around because I was trying to get all sides of the term. But the turn itself feels like it's three feet wide. This is an attack. It's the human joystick attack says the human joystick attack. And I think this is really interesting because of the implications that it has in the future in know, these VR systems, they're they're becoming wireless. You can just wear them almost everywhere moving forward. Okay. What what does it mean to be able to move the person without their knowledge? That's and so in theory, if I'm getting where this is going like where on the first floor of your lab and because of the first there's no stairs. But if you can see what's happening out of my VR headset, and you can move ever you one. Can you like assume that you could send me down a flight of stairs? I don't know. We'll find out. I don't like that. Are we going back into the virtual world? Okay. Oh, no now, I'm in a. Oh, beautiful like glass home. Overlooking. The mountains. So now, you're moving the room around and I'm not moving. It's moving you're controlling it. I'm getting super busy. Oh my God. Okay. Okay. Let's see how long oh my God. So you're like I'm on some weird tilt overall. Okay. So the tire room is spinning I'm probably gonna throw out, but I'm not going to. Okay. I'm getting I'm getting totally dizzy, your this is crazy. Oh my God. Okay. Okay. So yeah, I'm totally. I'm totally disoriented because its own God. Okay. So it's it's it really feels like I'm on a roller coaster going around the room. I'm totally going to fall over. She called tation. Okay. So you could just attack my. Oh god. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I think I have to say mercy. I know I didn't know that was an option. Thank you. Good. Okay. Ramp it up a little bit for you know. Some using that you could have sent me down. So that you that just disorients. Yeah. Or, you know, we're playing to the fact that you know, if what your eyes are seeing is what you know, your experience your body's experiencing can make you sick. Yeah. Yeah. Motion sick. Wow. So you could just take over my God. A little Losey you could just take over my machine and send it on a roller coaster around whatever room, I'm in and send me totally off balance. I was struggling to stay standing. Yes. So even though you might you know, subconsciously know, there is some you obstacle or something like that room. You know, we might be able to help you find your so. Yes. So how'd you taking me stairs? And then taking control like that. I probably would have just in a staggering moment. What have gone over? Yeah. That's a possibility. All would be just done by putting infecting like with the standard virus via phishing Email, or whatever. I mean. Yeah. It could be done via phishing Email. We could put up a legitimate game that people like that. They download from the VR op store. Let's call it. We also have other ways that we can't talk about a using some weaknesses. We found in certain our systems that we could just literally drop payload other people systems, so the there's just so many different ways of gaining access to your system. Just to reiterate like this is all consumer level stuff. Yeah. So so we're very applied. Researchers at the university of new even in my lab, like, you know, you have a lot of universities that focus on on research that is the radical or, you know, I'm personally, I hate I hate that sort of thing. You know hate is a strong word. I I'm a scientist but theories important, but. Like practice and in practice. These are real VR systems. You can buy right now. Amazing. Well, thank you guys so much. I. I don't wanna go back in. So we're back with Bruce. Nell cybersecurity experts going into that. I was not a VR believer the first one I'd never played a video game at VR. That's so cool. Very cool. I get it like that. You know, there's stuff to look at all around, and it is so immersive. But also, I guess if I ever do virtuality get, and I kind of I kind of want to now, I kind of have the bug. I think I will be I won't be comfortable. And I think there's something about giving over your physical world so immersed in something else. I I enjoy going to the movies, but I feel very safe because I'm grounded in a chair Ray. And I can also look to the left, and I could see the person sitting beside me, right? But but this if you look to the left you're still in that same world, there's there's something so vulnerable about virtual reality. And now that I see that it is Hackel. It doesn't feel safe. I guess that's it. I guess safety is is the the the issue, right? Because you know, in the demo they they could have easily lead you out the door of your room and to the top of the stairs or something. Right. And falling down the stairs. Or, you know. Let's say that you're gaming room is in the middle of a medieval armory and their swords and things around right? As they are. Right as they are. But it's it's interesting to to think about that as as, you know, the possibility of somebody hijacking reality. So this intact was infected on this computer that we're playing in a fairly standard way. They it would have been a phishing Email or one of the one of the many many ways one can get a virus fundraising, Peter or piece of malware. And so probably I'm predicting what you're about to say. Gestion are the standard things. But there is there anything specific to virtual reality systems that we should keep in mind. What we wanna be safe in these very very vulnerable environments. Well, you know, it's interesting like it, it it adds in another level of safety. Right. I would actually recommend if you're prone to motion sickness try maybe like a flight sim or something where you're sitting down. You're seeing in the cockpit of so you're not actually gonna move. But I think realistically when you look at that hack, and you look at you know, how these acts will come across. They're gonna come through your more traditional methods. Right. They're gonna come through, you know, a phishing Email or something to basically infect your your PC that you're running this the virtual reality software on. So I think there's a couple things to keep in mind side from, you know, your standard making sure that you have you know, your system completely up-to-date making sure that you have your VR software up to date. But also as you start finding the the VR games are or what are add ons or whatever to download make sure that you're going through reputable places. Right. You know, most of the VR manufacturers have their suggested games and their list of where you can go and find good VR stuff or there's the steam platform, which has a lot of games on there. And they have. VR that you can buy through there. But it again it goes back to that. Make sure that you're getting your software from reputable sources right from you know, not not downloading a cracked VR game. Because you don't know what could be in there. Okay. So if I have this, right? You could sit down. Which which I wish I had thought of that. I could have just sat down. They didn't offer me a chair when you do in person with evil. Hackers makes it easier for them. But I guess I guess the big takeaway is is just to be be on alert. And obviously not you don't have to be over paranoid. But but be on alert that this is the same as as anything else. And if you're downloading something, you know, nowhere downloading it from don't download crack stuff. Find a reputable source and make sure that your system is up to date. Right. Right. Absolutely. Do you have a VR system? I don't have time right now. Go. I'm with you. But having tried this at the university of New Haven. I. I'm definitely intrigued. It feels like something I would enjoy doing. Yeah. You know, there's this great game that I play called elite. It's basically a space trading and fighting game, right? Where you're flying around in through the galaxy nears in your spaceship, and they do have a VR component of that. And it's really tempting that's the one. That's all I think that that's gonna push me over the edge into buying VR headset is playing that game. Excellent. And then we won't see you for down. Never never. All right. Bruce. Thank you so much. I appreciate this. Thank you. Jeff is pleasure. I'm Geoff Siskind. And you've been listening to Hackel unoriginal podcast from McAfee. We know that sometimes the hacks do on this podcast can be pretty visual things. So without in mind. If you're curious about what today's hack looked like in particular, the section when the researchers were doing this disorientation attack on me, the one that made me feel like I was gonna fall down pass out and probably also puke. Now, you can we've put up a video of this moment of the hack in all of its glory on our website, and you can find that at Hackel podcast dot com. Enjoy thanks for listening.

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Vaccine Could Unlock Trillions In Spending, Leading To 'Biden Boom'

NPR's Business Story of the Day

03:53 min | 6 months ago

Vaccine Could Unlock Trillions In Spending, Leading To 'Biden Boom'

"So it is looking like this will be a cold dark winter for the us economy. The pandemic is forcing new limits on businesses and prompting nervous consumers to stick closer to home but if this week's encouraging news about an experimental vaccine works out the spring and summer could be a lot brighter. That's the word according to npr's scott horsely brandon. Fritzy has spent an awful lot of this past year stuck in his indianapolis apartment. He misses going out to buffet restaurants. And doing all the things he used to enjoy. I was a big karaoke. Okay guy. I'd be going to the karaoke bar pretty much every night. But since the pandemic started. I don't think i've sung and eight months now. Coldplay's yellow was fritzy's go to standard as much as he misses the microphone. His self imposed quarantine has been good for. His bank. account doesn't talking some money away. I've saved want to save. thousands christie. Zola of new haven is in the same isolated boat venezuela says she and her husband have spent more money on ice cream and alcohol in the last eight months but less on just about everything else where certainly not spending on any sort of entertainment. We're not going to the movies. Were not paying for gym memberships or to participate in sports leagues. We have saved on transportation costs. Because i'm working from home and not commuting sixty miles per day all told cautious consumers in the us have squirrelled away some two trillion dollars during the pandemic while avoiding travel crowds and in-person entertainment. Spending is likely to take an additional hit. This winter as new infections and hospitalizations are soaring economist. Ian shepherdson of pantheon macroeconomics says president elect biden is inheriting an economy that still weighed down by the pandemic but that could turn around fairly quickly. Present like five is arriving in washington at the right time coded news the point where he's inaugurated is likely to be horrific but it won't be much longer after shepardson says with a successful vaccine. Springtime could see a flowering of the economy. Fueled by pent up demand for the kind of amusements that had been off limits for so long to be sure that extra two trillion dollars in savings is not going to be spent all at once economist. Joel practice and the forecasting firm. Ihs market says some of the things we've skipped on. We'll never be made up. I went quite a long time without getting my haircut. Look pretty mangy. i'm not gonna get free extra custom. Make up for the ones that i missed during the summer. Even when a vaccine is widely available it may take time before people feel safe going out to crowded places and spending money freely. Pittsburgh librarian dana fair. Bile says she talks a lot with her husband about what the new normal might look like. It would be great in two thousand twenty one if all of the venues were up and operating again and we could go see some land. But i think it's going to be a while before mentally. I feel okay. Being in a crowd of people like that again not wear masks of perspective. Spring thaw faces other chilly. Headwinds americans are still out of work and congress has been slow to extend additional relief brandon. Fritzy has kept his job as an accountant. And he's wearing his mask trying to stay safe. If the vaccine checks out fritzy says he'll be quick to get it he can rejoin his friends at the karaoke bar. The karaoke crowd is kind of a family. Everybody at the monkey's tail and broad ripple is Pretty close so it would be nice to get out and see them again. Economist shepardson says once people do feel able to get out and do the things they enjoy the cash. They've been socking away. This could bank roll a substantial economic boom scott horsely. Npr news washington.

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Morons: Tik Tok catches the crook!  4-21

Bob and Sheri

04:48 min | 1 year ago

Morons: Tik Tok catches the crook! 4-21

"Bob and Sheri you here they are. He's a Moron Complete Idiots aurons in the news. You know the people who have had to close their restaurants. This past month have gone through so much. They did not need this idiot. The cops in my hometown of New Haven Connecticut got a call about a burglary in progress at a restaurant. That was shut down. Apparently the manager had gone to the restaurant. Just check it out and he saw forty two year. Old Guy named Louis Ortez Asleep in the restaurant turns out. Lewis had broken in four days earlier work and was living in the restaurant the whole time. Eating whatever food is in the freezer and drinking their booze and by the way he stole or drink seventy bottles of liquor in four days four days. Even do that live what I said. He stole or drink. He was selling it out the back door. He probably he's been charged with burglary. Obviously and in by the way he had an outstanding warrant against them anyway so going to jail Sherri. Today's more on of the day comes from Cape Cod. Where a user a Rubik's cube posted a video of himself dancing and he said his catch him was La L. A. Oh I'm home alone so I learned a cock fans what is my life onto and then he proceeds to dance and there's video this is the sound that stance and just so we're clear with the stars isn't GonNa come calling for anyway that The reason that this is news and the more and it's very controversial because his caption is. I'm home alone so I learned to pick documents but if you watch the stands behind him he's dancing like downstairs and liquor rec room and there's a flight of stairs in the car background and as he stands to see what looks like a head poke around the corner. That was self back really quick. So this erupted. A storm of controversy was Rubik's Cube Line. Was there an intruder in his home? Rubik's cube says he was home alone and that his family doesn't have any pets and he doesn't know what it is that people saw so I'm GonNa Post this off and typically you know I wouldn't send you to a tick tock video but we're all in quarantine and at this point we're watching the pollen fall from the trees so. I think you'll enjoy getting this sent to your phone when you text the word Moron. Two eight eight two six to seven four three seven and when you do that you're automatically registered to win a bottle of barbarian Dobbin Sherry hand sanitizer. People make me sick. Mary made Tick Tock yesterday. You want to hear what it was. So she got an empty spray. Like something you would carry mccown. And She There was nothing in it and she filled it up with water and then she got gun. Neil diamond's sweet caroline. I'm sitting in a chair reading minding my own business. And I hear sweet caroline come Sweet Caroline squirts scored sport on my head up. You know how it goes off. I hate to get you a delivered from Amazon. And of course she's she's hysterical. And we were. GonNa she was GonNa Posted. But then you Who the Bob and Sheri site. But then we have to pay for the music and there's all sorts of problems not worth it. Yeah I WANNA shout out our listeners in Memphis your across the way mayor in eastern Arkansas Coun- of West Memphis. His name is Marco mcclendon right across the Mississippi River from Memphis Tennessee. And of course Memphis has been hit hard. The mayor of West Memphis Mayor mcclendon posted a video on the city's facebook page instead. And I quote. Stay y'all's asks his home. I can't make it any more than that. That's that on a t shirt. So yes they. We shout out east. Arkansas hair hair mcclendon stay. Y'All ass is home. That is morons in the news. Straight ahead we've got gyms oak was sports confused. Don't forget the word Moron to eight eight eight two six two seven four. Three seven will send today's right to your phone. It's Bob and Sheri.

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4: Michael Kennedy of Green Check Verified goes deep on cannabis legalization

Technotopia

16:34 min | 2 years ago

4: Michael Kennedy of Green Check Verified goes deep on cannabis legalization

"Welcome back to the dopey of the podcast about a better future. I'm John Biggs. Initial might Kennedy of green check verify this is technical. I've been furniture shopping recently. And I found the experience to be very disappointing. And I've just discovered joy bird joy bird believed that you should never settle when it comes to your home furnishings should always have the freedom to be boldly original with joy bird. You get one of a kind furniture made to your new unique taste, you turn your ideas into reality with hundreds of styles and options for mid century modern contemporary classics, customizable, in an amazing Ray of fabric choices from rich buttery leather to plush velvet every color imaginable. There's a wide range of kid in pet friendly upholstery options available, and there are free personal design consultants to help now down your perfect design. That means when it gets into your house, you're going to love it. I want you to give it a try. They have a three hundred sixty five day home trial. You skip the furniture store you bring the furniture home. And you try it for you. Year sit on it sleep on break it in. If you don't love your joy bird return it for a full refund. There's hassle free in home delivery, leaving a move all the packing materials. Pre returns within two weeks of delivery to see how joy bird is revolutionizing online furniture shopping. I want you to head over to joy dot com slash techno. Joy dot com slash techno joy dot com slash techno right now. Receive an exclusive offer for twenty five percent off your first order by using the code techno furniture shopping is difficult. It shouldn't have to be. I want you to give joy to try to stick to the podcast about a better future. I'm John Biggs today in the show of Mike Kennedy. You're at green check verified, which is which sounds interesting. Is that is that does it allow people to get a Twitter Twitter accounts verified or has this work? Now, it doesn't affect it was difficult for us to get a Twitter handle ourselves. Forbid, use the word verify. Oh. Yeah. So we were a regulatory compliance company. We've built a software solution that allows financial institutions to work with legal and compliant cannabis businesses. Okay. Very cool. So so let's talk a little about that. I'm I'm fascinated by the the issues of compliance right now. So it's so intents purposes cannabis's legal in a an a quite a few in quite a few places, but it's not. It's not legitimized by in terms of the federal government. So you basically in a situation where all sorts of things aren't available to you. And what do you guys? What do you guys do to solve that? Yeah. You're absolutely right. It is legal in in some form or fashion in the majority of states today, but it's still federally illegal and a lot of that has to do with the controlled substances act which classifies marijuana in the same category of LSD in heroin, basically at the category of drugs that the eyes of the government have no medical value. And that's made it very difficult for one of the fastest growing consumer product segments to gain access to critical business services like the financial system. So when you look across the country and even up north to our neighbors, Canada, you know, the cannabis industry is is being legitimized. Right. People are coming out of the shadows. And it's getting mainstream market attention. It's always been a bit of an underground industry. But with state laws in place and programs across the country that are are starting to scale up it's incredibly problematic to business that's being told. It's okay to come out of the shadows. But not being afforded access to the modern financial system. So we took that on as a challenge worth solving. You know, there's a lot of capital being into the canvas industry now in N, rightfully so there's definitely a lot of market demand for the product. But really the answer Larry services, you know, the the back office tools that might not get as much attention. But are just so critically needed are where we think the the real opportunity is and so we've been building in, you know, a stealth mode capacity for about three years now where based out of New Haven, Connecticut. So we're in east coast company, but it's a national presence and. We're going to market now with our web based compliance management system that helps cannabis businesses in banks and credit unions manage regulatory compliance more efficiently. So they can work together. It's let's talk a little bit about what you guys expect the future to look like. In terms of in terms of cannabis. So it looks like New York and New Jersey are going to be have recreational Leeli soon. What when do you think like the full bore green day is going to happen? When it's when it's nationwide. Well, you know, if if I was good at predicting, I would, you know, certainly keep it to myself, but the the trend that we're seeing you know, when we started this for years ago, it was thirteen states that was the total addressable market in in just the short time. We're now at over thirty so the cat's out of the bag, right? As the saying goes, but they're still staunch opposition at the federal level. So I I wouldn't venture guess, but I think it's probably safe to say it is a matter of when now it's no longer matter if. And what does what does the world look like when it's all when it's all over. Well, I think you know, there are similar industries in the sense that you know, you have alcohol and tobacco products that are regulated and consumed for recreational purposes, but this one's unique because you also have you know, the efficacy that's starting to be shown on the medical benefits of of the plant. So it's unique in that sense in there are many if any corollaries to look to and we certainly haven't seen this sort of market explosion. You know, the demand. Here's unquestionable. And folks who are going out, and you know, frequenting their local dispensary or or purchasing products. It's certainly a phenomenon that sweeping across the country. So I'm unsure what the future looks like candidly. But I know that compliance is gonna play a big role. I know that the ability for these brands in these innovative companies to come out with new methods and modalities it's all predicated on their ability to manage. What is now a complicated in highly fractured regulatory landscape. So, you know, my background is in financial services in the wake of of the financial crisis. You had implementation of dodd-frank which was pretty sweeping regulatory reform that really had an impact on community, financial institutions and those community banks and credit unions are quite literally propping up the the main street economies. The. Small and medium businesses that need loans. You know, local mortgages their life breath lot of US economy. Even though they hold about twenty five percent of total assets. So seeing firsthand what federal regulatory. A college chaos. It may be a bit, you know, over. But what that cast can do on an industry is very real. And we're dedicated to crafting solutions to help navigate an and withstand. What is inevitably going to be a fairly turbulent regulatory landscape for at least the foreseeable future. What why do you think it's turbulent? Do. You think it's is it is it primarily because because of the laws. Do you think there's some some reason for it as there's some kind of deep conspiracy here, or is it just basically just growing pains? No, no, no conspiracy. At all. I think it's growing pains. I think you know, anytime you have regulations being written by folks who are not operating in that industry. You know, it tends to go awry pretty quickly things. Look really good on paper. But in practice, they are either off a couple of shades, or you know, on the other end of the spectrum utterly unenforceable. And so as kind of the ebbs and flows continued to to play out we'll start to see some normalization and part of what we're doing at green. Check is we've centralized the the regulatory analysis piece in and that's what's built into our software. So we have a team of former regulators cannabis and financial regulatory experts folks were intimately familiar with how these regulations were designed, in fact, some of them actually wrote some of these regulations and based on that sort of. Insight. We've already started to see some commonalities. You know, you can you can look at a state, and you can say, okay. This was a program that was designed rum along forcement perspective, or this was a program that was designed from a pharmaceutical perspective, and you can start to see some of these trends, and you can even start to see things crop up that, you know, hey, this state had something very similar, and it's made its way into another state program likely, by way of you know, evidence that this this particular rule or or set of rules is something that does work well in practice. So it's definitely following the maturity curve that you would expect, but it is very much curve. Okay. Yeah. I mean, eventually you're gonna you guys are gonna put yourselves out of business right with when it when it gets a lot easier to manage all the other Clermont. I mean, go ask a community banker. What happened now in the wake of Frank? It certainly didn't get get easier. More standardized, maybe, but I think, you know, regulatory compliance is, you know, it's a vector that that you can manage in your business, and you know, as a lot of these entrepreneurs in the cannabis space will attest compliance right now in regulation over all is the great Mark equalizer. Everybody has to comply and as long as those regulatory frameworks are sensible and and reasonable than they could become a an avenue to develop a competitive advantage. And that's what we're building with with our client bases. You know, this proficiency in compliance can open you up to new markets can open you up to access to to critical services for your business, namely, the the banking system, but they're certainly countless benefits to being able to. Manage compliance more efficiently and more effectively stay out of any regulatory hot letter. Okay. What do you think is the what do you think a future of this industry is that a it doesn't visit basically turn into something? Something monstrous monolithic like like the alcohol industry, or is it a or is it something special? Well, again, I'm not going to pine too much. But I'll just make some observations, you know, you've got a number of different factors here. You've got you know, the the social equity aspect you've got a failed war on drugs. And a lot of states who are keeping that close top of mind as they develop their programs trying to provide incentives for folks who are disproportionately affected by some of those pass policies to to gain access to what is, you know, new market opportunity. And then of course, you know. Existing you know offenses that that need to be addressed. Right. If somebody is facing some repercussions or a crime that is no longer a crime that can't be overlooked rights. So those sorts of factors are unique to this industry. And then you've also got the the flat out variability of the product itself. You know, this isn't a bottle of whisky that can be managed, you know, at at the utmost level of detail. This is this the plantains in organic substance, and you can get pretty close to two granularity. But there's you know, a million in one variations, and that's pretty difficult to you know, to to put into a box of, you know, big commerce, especially when you consider the fact that it's not terribly difficult to to grow this on your own nonetheless, even permit you to do so. So a number of unique factors this industry. I think would lead me to probably not. A student is going to look like big pharma, or even you know, big big liquor big tobacco. I think it is going to be pretty unique. But I think we'll probably see some elements of of those existing industries started to crop up. Interesting. I mean, that's a pretty interesting point. I mean, basically, this is like cooking. This is like cooking. I guess you're basically, you can always go to a restaurant, and you can always do a meal plan or whatever. But but you're still going to do it at home. Yeah. All right. Very cool. What's next for you, guys? What's the what's what is the regulatory landscape? Looking like over the next couple next couple of months. So it's definitely, you know, getting the education out, you know, there's a lot of misinformation candidly about what the specific obstacles are to banking the cannabis industry. And so we're doing a great deal of of talking with folks like yourself, and you know, other other movers and shakers who, you know, want to more deeply understand what those restrictions are in how they can be overcome. So were currently talking with financial students in fifteen states and were working on building that up, you know, in in the coming months and kind of in tandem with that. We're also continuing regulatory outreach not only to make sure that our product in. Our solution is meeting the expectations of those those regulators, but also just to help provide more feedback from a on the ground perspective of you know, some of the things that were observing some of the specific. Obstacles in how you know. There's there's tremendous benefit to to getting this cash off the street in into the banking system for everybody involved. Very cool. Yeah. That's perfect. So thank you for joining us and taking topa hopefully, we get to the whole world in about. I mean, it's not even gonna be twenty years. It's going to be like more like twenty months. We're going to be a raw going to be doing doing. What you guys are supporting. Yeah, I think we're definitely closer to that timeframe. This has been a dopey. I'm John Biggs. We will see you next week. Perfect perfect straight often think. Dopey is brought to you by happy fun Corp. Happy fund Corp, designed driven technology company in Brooklyn, New York. 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Ep. 68: We're All In Donald Trump's Cartoon (feat. Dan Perkins, aka Tom Tomorrow)

RUMBLE with MICHAEL MOORE

1:18:18 hr | 1 year ago

Ep. 68: We're All In Donald Trump's Cartoon (feat. Dan Perkins, aka Tom Tomorrow)

"I just want to mention before we get going here that the underwriter for today's episode is anchor. Podcasts platform They're the free podcast people. They help anybody who wants to get their own. Podcast going to help them get going for Free. Doesn't cost anything You can find them at anchor dot. Fm or on their on their APP the anchor up their core mission really is the democratization of audio so that audio can be used by anybody who wants to use it to reach people with their own voice and they don't charge a dime for this. They've helped me. I'm grateful to them For doing that and grateful to them for supporting my voice so that you can hear it. this is rumble and Michael Moore and my special guest. Today is the incredibly wonderful beloved. Cartoonist Tom Tomorrow Who goes actually by his birth name occasionally is Dan but his stage name on the funny pages. Is Tom Tomorrow? I'm sure many of you have seen is cartoons his strips over the years and They are they are really of our time. Now they are they. If you're depending on your age they're the Doonesbury of this moment. If you're older you might remember jewels. Pfeiffer it's it's a hard thing to do to do a comic strip From a position of satire and And to and to have it both political and funny because oftentimes political kills funny and and sometimes the funny diminishes the political. And it's a very very difficult trick to pull off but for many many years Time tomorrow has a both entertained us. made us think got. Us angry at all the appropriate people and And we need this. We need both the laughs and the fight. Ns right now more than ever. I welcome you to rumble. Dan Perkins Dom tomorrow. Hey thank you very much now. No thank you now. How many years. How many years have you been doing this? I how long have I know I meet? We first met in the mid nineties. your rain. You speaking gig in new haven. That's but I've been doing this since nineteen ninety irritating so way too long. I mean I was. You know a young child. I was Prajit was amazing because I couldn't possibly be this all happened. It's with thirty so this'll be like thirty years. Yeah in this past year was thirty years since my first film. Rajah me so we both kind of started doing this around the same year And it It in the early years I mean first of all how. How were you able to go from where you were new haven? I guess at the time when you started a so. I was in San Francisco when I started here in San Francisco. So you grew up there Like I said you grew up in Iowa in Iowa as soon as I said the mid western a nun I used to have in school. Who was just beating middle my brain as soon as I said I was from the Midwest trying to out how to play we took longer than the nuns have never left my head over. You know. It's they're there to do their job and I pulled off pretty but So I grew up in Iowa so grew up in Arkansas so lived in Georgia for a spell. I lived in Florida for a while as an adult. I moved San Francisco. I moved back to the East Coast. from my ex wife When she was not yet. My Wife So I have lived in new haven and New York City basically since I moved back in your New York now. He's actually a few blocks from where we're doing. We're doing this But We're doing this in respect of the The pandemic do we respect this pandemic idle. Not that's really the right thing to say as cheers pound Yes in fear of the pet debbie. We're like three blocks away from you and yet we're sending up to a satellite in bringing back down in order to conduct this podcast human being apart from work in the grocery store and a month. Wow Okay I'm not that I wanna top that but I haven't left this apartment. This I walked out once on the fifth day and I thought now that's it so this is day thirty. What his day. Thirty six world walgreens Esguerra phobic when this is over is that what's going to happen we're not gonna go to WanNa go out anymore. We will we will we will rejoin our brains and also I mean you know. Trump is talking about turning the economy back. On as if there's some master switch in a in a lab like in some oats Or something it's going to be a really slow thing you know I. It's GonNa be a long time before we do the normal things that New Yorkers do again. Yeah Yeah it's There's a big part of me that doesn't want to go back to normal. I have to admit and politically. I certainly don't want to go back to what was called normal right But the little just for people with the uninitiated. The people who have not seen the time tomorrow cartoon strips Over the years and by the way I I I have a link to the Strip is called this modern world and I have the link for it On the PODCAST page here and I'm going to be posting on my social media so you can find it there on facebook and instagram twitter and but also I Also if if assuming that the last month hasn't mean hasn't made your brain atrophy too much you can probably remember. It's very easy. This modern world dot com and you can see Danza strips but for those who are not going to leave the podcast now and do that For for can people just kind of a sampling or an idea of of of the Strip and how far you're willing to go to as I've seen over the years cross a certain lines That have which is why. I think you're so beloved by So many tens of thousands of people so go ahead and have at it. Oh boy how do you describe something? That is a visual her. You know over microphone honestly. I don't need to deflect the question but I think I have a harder. Time explaining them equal reader. I mean how would you explain it? I would say that on any given week. It's a weekly strip Dan will have approximately six panels. Three and three and in an each panel. There is something going on usually It my favorites are anytime you have Mr Mrs America. We're just talking but well why is that? Why did the president go to the briefings? While I'll tell you why and I'm in through their conversation you realize the idiocy of what were experiencing. That can also happen. Dan's strip with Newscasters are great At the it's just reading reading the news. The way imagine if they were just really reading it like they were completely honest about how they felt about what they were telling you what was going on. And and so six panels of a newscaster perhaps just kind of laying it out for you and and not necessarily on the nose laying out like explaining it to people or too dumb to get it. Actually the newscasters often dumb. And they're they're my characters are often speaking in their own voice and hopefully the satire comes through To the reader. There's a tricky line where not actually wanting to specifically spell it out right well now but that's because that's why this is such a smart Comic Strip. I mean it's it's really you if you do have to have a bit a bit of brain matter to digest what's going on here. Anna Anna sense of irony and sense of Sardonic processing the But can you at least tell people about the penguin? Well Y I was just thinking the I should mention you know. It's the comic strip with the Penguin and not the famous limit. Your thinking But it's a it's a anyone would sunglasses. Who when I started doing this work. It was all when I started doing the Strip. It was all very aced on the false reality of advertising and propaganda and so merger is a sort of dissent. My characters did not directly. Say This is stupid. This is terrible. Why is this happening? Would sort of so. This is a great thing and in the course of explaining why they thought it was great. I would explain to the reader why I did not think it was great But a a certain pretty early on I wanted character. Who could speak more directly to the audience in my voice and I I had A. I always felt a little thing for penguins When I was a kid I drew cartoon penguins and so I didn't really give a lot of thought I just threw him this thing. One Who Sort of seems to know that he's in a comic strip. He often breaks down the fourth wall and talks to the audience directly and he was just a useful addition. He doesn't actually show up that often anymore. Every now and again I need him to come in But I mean I think some that I think he might show up in the next couple of weeks because I have a a more straightforward dialogue stroke talking strip that I wanna do about About healthcare and about how this whole crisis has really shown what an insane mess. Our healthcare system outs and all the all the ridiculous Rationalizations for it are just kind of out the window Right now and you know like I. I'm still not confident that we're going to come to me. The hub. Sensible of solution with us but a healthcare system you know the south system that is inextricably linked to employment status. This weird belief Hughley American system The underlying flow of that becomes apparent when I don't know how many have lost their job. I'm wanting to say ten percent of the workforce or something I'm not sure at a massive unemployment right now And so you know. The solution is sign up for Cobra or sign up for the ACA But again you've just lost your job where you know cobras very expensive. It's it's just it's it's idiotic and it's been as a freelancer in spend driving me crazy for thirty years so maybe I was a canary in the coal mine. That I saw these problems earlier than a lot of people Who didn't have to face this? Who just got insurance through their job and autos grade but that whole line about if you like your insurance you can keep it. You know. We're GONNA see how well that works league. You know the the fly Matt is as long as you. Don't lose your job. Nick Lowe endemic in the endorsement of the Bernie made here of Biden and they were both on the screen together. They agreed they're going to have members of each of their campaigns. Sit Down in a room informed like these ad hoc committees to Maybe find some compromise. A CHANCE FOR BERNIE. There have his his Imprint on the Biden presidency policies man economy. I hope we can push them to the louth because it is literally the Arabs. Let the IB literally survival for so many people right now. Well here's the sad news is that there's one committee that they're going to Form on a criminal justice. There's one immigration there's one wage inequality there is one Student loans one on Climate Change and nothing on healthcare and it was so disappointing to see this to that. Apparently prompt sure I'm sure Bernie pushed it in the Biden. People were like no. That's a bridge too far well for US and It's it's It's so much as you said at the core of what people are struggling tragedy trying to get by And in while people have their unemployment if they have a they had a job right now and they were laid off their laid off right. Now they're going to get decent unemployment from their state and federal government but No healthcare and at a time when we're in a health claps no healthcare. Well I think both of us have done looking at the society for a long time and the the absurdities of am I feeling great now what America has become is what you and I saw coming but only in our most ridiculous farfetched imagining slight lake what we are living right now You know satire is the art of taking something to the absurd extreme on. We are now living in the absurd extreme. It is impossible to to come up with something that is crazier than than living through and so it's almost. Nothing surprises me anymore. But I I am still. I'm still capable of being disappointed. Yeah it's your right in our wildest imagination in fact You and I and Harold Moss one time many many years ago fashioned a screenplay for a enemy in some of these it's But we we did it almost like it was almost like science fiction. Science Fiction animated political cartoon. And even do we were doing that today. We you know anything grow with the out of date with an iphone I think there are things back in that screenplay we pulled it out now. They've already happened ten years ago. Five years ago. They happened this week. And it's like it's like the the screenplay with got the most mold on it. We thought we were. We thought we were so far. Gone you know like we were completely high high. But I'm just saying that that's who he read now it it just it looks like a pbs documentary right but But it it's so. Were you always as a Kid? Were you were you? What came first drawing or the politics and what we're we're how did this all start? I loved comics comic Strip and Comic Bronx as a kid by comic books. And really what were you in love with? Comic Book was well the Comic Strip that I was in love with was Peanuts by Charles. Shulz Yup. Just still grand than when I was a little bit older. Doonesbury so I think I think Garry Trudeau Sort of showed me A way that you could combine politics and comic strips without you know without going the the sort of traditional single animal editorial cartoon route And then when I started doing it I found what I wanted to do was write effectively little skits. I mean the things I do you could do them on stage at right citizens brigade or something But you know they're they're in common form but they are the very worthy People often point out to me. Yes there there. But that's what makes it so great. How do you rate so small and get all those words in there? It's the magic of computers. Oh what did you do before? Computers hand-lettered Working at a larger size less water and less just worked at a larger size and Chaka down around the If you ever had the situation that Gary trio his had up for his whole life with being banned or or them. Not running a strip or somebody liking what you've written. I've had a third fewer of those incidents because My work an Doonesbury ran or still runs in daily newspapers I got my start in the alternative press Which gave me a lot. More Leeway The roof you things here and there that people objected to. But I haven't had that you know that at sort of controversial Controversies Trudeau goes through The readers do all weeklies were less. Likely. I mean people get offended by things all the time but mostly the editor stood by me now. Unfortunately the whole weekly industry was on its last legs. Anyway and I've lost several emperors and the best month because this is just the final Straw. Wow you're so right now you come out of this modern world. Tom Tomorrow comes out on Mondays. On the daily coasts right right and and on Tuesdays on the NIB IB So those those are the ones people can always go to To read Tom Tomorrow. This modern world But I've seen your work in the past and other magazines and are certainly like you said the alternative weeklies The what has happened to cartooning in terms of the cartoon Strip from the Comic Strip there. So the new of that side Is a very good site to check out Throw a wider range of younger cartoonists. That that's one by another cartoonist friend of mine named map wars is Is done a really good job of Just creating the saying you thought you know. We need a new space for comics. And he made it happen He he found two different tech billionaires. Who who funded him and dumped him an now he's entirely and that is still a bushing still. Anc R Jonas. Yeah I'm guessing. There's not a lot of money. In being a cartoonist. There are probably more profitable professions so That being the case How DOES A-? Let's say there's a young person listening to this right now? Loves to draw maybe has their own um cartoon strip you know. What kind of advice do you give them in terms of? They must come up to you and they run into a right you and they say. I want to do this. How fast you try to talk the Mata well you know I don't I I think if you are If you are compelled to do something they're going to do it and I certainly would not ever person to talk someone out of out of their their dreams like that And I think it's really what you want to do. you'll find a way to do it But honestly the landscape is changing so quickly. And it's you know. I wish I had answers to them right now. My mind universities contracting and I'm not sure what that I'm not sure what that even means for me in the lump earned because it's been way too long since I've been any other sort of job I I'm I'm I'm not. I can't even imagine what else I would be qualified to do. That doesn't really answer the question I guess I guess I think you enter. If you WANNA do whatever you WanNa do you should follow your dream and not think about whether or not it's going to be a job or follow the maybe also have a way of making a living and you know this is. This is just the traditional problem confronting creative. Ol- you know it's why have reactor has sometimes away her. You know yeah. I didn't have to be a waiter. I washed dishes at a country club. Job is one of those automatic dishwashing things off down and many times. I burned my forearm on that Dishwashing Apparatus But yeah no if from. I dropped out of college after about a year year. And A in Right Away Wanna going to earn money so I did that. The dishwasher than I got a job as a janitor in high school You know buffing the floors of that. I love that buffing machine. It was so much fun and But yeah but I wanted to do I wanted to do. I wanted to write. That was the first thing I wanted to do. I wanted to start an alternative newspaper and do journalism and eventually by the time I was in my early twenties. I was able to do that but yeah no I know I know I know what you mean that was so small and Ford. I also dropped out of school in. Wasn't sure what I wanted to do exactly but I I wanted to. I knew I wanted to write or make cartoons or something I I just I wanted to. I wanted to ban lice a richer life than cement In a richer meanwhile creative more fulfilling then seemed possible When I was stuck in Iowa so I ended up I taught myself There used to be able to make a living Just doing word processing like it was. It was a weird skull because they're not everyone was computer literate and you can make decent incomes attempt doing that sort of thing. Sign moved to San Francisco supported myself as an office. Trump's a lot the hurry. How're you doing through this whole thing as I can? I can I know you could hear it in your voice. I'm worried that you that you're just fading into the wallpaper something. What because you know it. Well go ahead. I mean I'm not a therapist but I play one on the podcast here but but I'm also going crazy put so go ahead. You're crazy I well. We could debate that. I'm seeing the GOPHERS. I hope I hope I hope to win the crazy award. Yeah I don't know man. I'm I'm a lot of the headline things up in the air. And then suddenly the world down and There's this episode of Star Trek the next generation but I keep thinking of where Beverly crusher Strachan stuck in some alternate universe and it contracts around her. So that the known universe exists of the starship enterprise and I right now feeling like the known. Universe consists of my apartment. Just like you know what I like. My apartment but Yeah so I don't know I'm I'm skyping with front zone I'm It's good cook in touch with people cooking a lot. More I I spend a lot of time staring at twitter which is not good for mental health. But it is. It is also thing that sort of seeds my He's my specific Creativity it helps me a sort of keep an eye on on what's going on and formulate my own thoughts And you know it's been several days a week Writing and drawing the cartoon but it is all just a little bit timeless written in all on notice. Shut down you know. I have a sixteen year old son who normally would be visiting the every other weekend and is sort of our what connects me to the to the world and so now we've just been texting on I have been watching a lot of. I've been kind of catching up on my old night into fifties. Really bad movie east Science fiction movies this island Earth Released strange one called Red Planet Mars which is basically a Cold War thing Agai makes sort of contact with unseen. Martians it's just through the coated thing and they start quoting scripture at him and it proves the existence of Christian God the Soviet Union collapses the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church becomes the new leader of Soviet Union and it just ensures a whole new generation of on on the era of peace and prosperity on the planet Earth. In its I wouldn't you know wouldn't say interesting or or or or good movie by any means but it was the most fascinating thing that I've seen in a while just period piece and I myself investment immune slay the site. I I love these old strange movies. I don't need. I don't really watch mystery science theater because I have my running dialogue and going on in my watching these things. That was really strange one. So I'm I'm doing things like that exploring the weirdest science fiction movies like find on YouTube Except you know. I've been doing some things to and Yesterday on Easter Sunday on Easter. I am what taste. No advance even know. Don't ask look tastes today's Monday. It's Sunday was that Sunday yesterday. Yes yes Easter was Sunday yesterday. I I Re watched all the Jesus films I hadn't seen since I was a child The Greatest Story retold King of Kings There's this great though You know neo realist. Italian film from the cheese. It might be in the might be from the fifties or maybe the sixty early sixties called the Gospel according to Saint Matthew. But it's very dark can vary very raw and then I ran across this thing called Mary. Magdalene They did you ever. Have you heard of this film? Mary. This came out last year except it didn't come out it. It Stars as Jesus Joaquin Phoenix. Oh that's gotta be interesting. You think if you've seen joker he's top of that police car looking like Jesus and No please Jesus and Rooney Mara. Plays Mary Magdalene. And it's it's written. The film is written by two women and it. It tells us the sort of Jesus in the Mary. Magdalene Story from the perspective of women and What if men hadn't written the Bible? What if there had been a woman's voice somewhere in there and it's so it was such an amazing film. I couldn't take my eyes off it. It was so so good. It was on showtime. I tried to find out why we didn't hear this film. Why IN THE YEAR? That he wins. Joaquin when's the Oscar for Joker he's also Jesus but none of us had heard of that and I think what happened. Was the phone got. It was one of the films that got buried in died That it it finished right after Harvey Weinstein removed and then arrested and And this in somehow they got the rights to Shawn Cable. And it's maybe one of the best Jesus Stories. I've ever seen so into in in your suggesting that instead of movies I should watch good movies. While or I'd find a hidden gem interesting concept yes want. I'm just saying because there are these. You found a hidden gem in Red Planet Mars But there is either another one. I ran across Dodds WORTH DODDS WORTH No. Oh my God it's It's it's such a great film and then I can't remember the other one that I had my little list here but TC m Turner Classic Movies It's worth in the in the morning. Just seeing what they're playing that day Ca- sometimes man. They have great stuff or the or the old classics. You know my my favorite films like clockwork orange. Taxi driver life of Brian. Though it'd be the next step also we visit classes like that. I'm so he's the one sort of fall somewhere in the middle that I do. Rewatch recently is John Carpenter's escape from New York. Oh yes somehow the title single resonant in the small right. What's going to happen when they finally released us? When we leave our our apartments here I have no idea. I have no life are. Are you going to go to movie theaters you can I? Don't I don't right away? Yeah wait and see how many people die going to the movies. I feel I know. I just be a really gradual staged thing I mean and all we're doing right now. People have to keep in mind is trying to flatten. The immediate rate of infection of healthcare system is not entirely overwhelmed. Were not actually doing anything you know. There is no vaccine. There is no cure their assuming. But there's Hydro Hydro drowsy or queen of the the. The trump has has you know somehow gotten fixated on and so then it has become this matter of ideology with all the the red hat type saying well. There's a Cybula strugging secure. You know so so this is this has been an interesting thing and I assume mutant keeping track of the two is The the weird the Weird Fox News trump loyalist response to this. I mean you know here we are in New York and there are there are mobile. Morgues there are there. Are Hospital tents in Central Park? You know and and they were burying coffins on. Heard Island Island and sit here. They're trying you know and you know it's it's if you actually read The newspaper read like that thing times just published on the on the time. Line leading Mu Seventy days. The trump wasted You know is just undeniable that we could have been a much better situation if he had taken the Sir so much sooner and so it becomes just another partisan battle except that again is like something in a cartoon of mine where one side is saying. You Know Hello. Science and facts and the other side is doing everything possible to deny the reality. That is just right out on the street. That has that has right now. In everyone's lives everyone at this point knows someone who has gotten sick or or someone who knows how it's got sick. It's just out there and you know trying to downplay than say. Oh it's just the flu when it's this Devastating that apparently can mess your body up for the rest of your life But you know it's become Gomez the only similar thing I can think of until there's the apocalypse on one side is denying the fact that there're Sondhi's The only thing that I can think of his global warming clearer and existential threat that the people who believe in science are concerned about in the people who have been conditioned for the last three or four year thirty or forty years not to believe in science than his host. Except it's playing out in real time over the course of two months. Yeah Yeah what's okay? So we don't know what can happen when we open up the door here step out onto the sidewalk and you know when things are supposedly mean. What's what's going to be. We're probably GONNA keep wearing face masks when we go outside. We'll probably okay. So let's say that the restaurants in the neighborhood started slowly reopen They'll have to do it at like half capacity quarter Ashley And you know how hard it is a reservation in New York City anyway so like you're probably not going to even able to go to restaurants when they do real By they're GONNA have to remove half their tables at least thirteen. So that means they want the margin the margin of making money doing a restaurant very thin and They won't you know. Removing those tables means removing a chance to pay their bills basic garden is nice. Yeah yeah honestly what we we we need A. We need a functional government. We need a massive Keynesian stimulus program. That is even beyond the first round the day. They just went through You know really just in Canada right now. I think it is about a four-month program here so forgive me if I'm getting the details wrong I believe they are just basically sending everyone a two thousand dollar a month check for four months just to try to keep their economy afloat. And you know we we kind of need something that big of because just bailing out the airlines in the fucking cruise ship industry and and sort of letting leaving everyone else to fend for themselves. It's really not going to cut it right. And the trainer so tangential thought and they're trying to kill the post office on now. I haven't heard that. Is that true. Have you not been? Yeah no like I mean I get the news I turn it off so so. The Post Office is a in the second. Half of the news going to go broke in about a month and trump has refused to give funding And was maddening about this. Is The post office would e entirely self sustaining entity but Republicans in two thousand six past the sort of poison pill mandate at? The Post Office has to Prefund Engine plans for seventy five years so they had the suicide this massive amount of money and I believe I have read that then that that money is not even there for the pension funds because they've been dipping into it they down the national debt. You know the thing is if you lose the post office. I mean this is. This was set up probably back during the time of Eisenhower. They the post office is your only only daily contact with your federal United States Government Review. You there is a person from the federal government who visit you six days a week and in the past years and years ago when they were again having trouble funding the post office. I think it was is Norbert meet. Somebody can write in and tell me who came up with this idea. He said that We need to. There is a post office in every single neighborhood. In America every sent the smallest village village may have two hundred people. And there's a post office zip code for rural areas. The Post Office Even in the age of of Amazon ups are excuse me yet. Ups Fedex and so forth Even now the post office in rural areas often juries those packages the last mile. Right right you know if we if we privatize the post office. A lot of rural communities are are just going to be in deep trouble. Absolutely be the way that this was put forth decades ago. Was that if we were in a national emergency and we needed to get something to every American citizen. Be that Madison be that. You know whatever. There is the postal system allows the government to get something to every single American. The next day the next day you know maybe in some places two days but literally imagine if they were just delivering face lasts everybody right now or or when when the the new self administer test it you could just test yourself from home whether to see whether you have it right or if you've already had it would which means you may be immune that little test kit can be sent to. Every single American through the infrastructure that exists today and can get to everybody within the next twenty four to forty eight hours. Isn't that amazing? Why you would want to let that particular system die when it's our only connection together. All three hundred thirty million of us. Is this thing that we like to make jokes about that complain about you. Know the Junk Mail on all the stuff but but think about that that you know I think we were one of the first countries Maybe think we I think even before the US existed as a country there was a system set up so that you could communicate to any other American no matter where they had American lived and it was. It was Kinda brilliant at the time to think that that we could do this I would. I'm I'm I'm sad to hear that there's any kind of talk about the Just letting the post office go that would be should be considered a national security risk. Anybody who's talking about doing that sort of two theories on this right now. one is That trump doesn't want people to be able to vote by mail That is Yvonne Area Gum. I don't know that's a little that's a little bit of stretch Armenian little shot of adrenaline and it's The three that I find. There's a little bit of that but the theory that I find a lot more possible is that Amazon relies on the post office and Trump. Just has this personal feud as those and he just sees this as a way to fuck over his. This guy that he doesn't like at all is thinking about because everything in his brain comes down to you know is a good for me as a bad for me. This is a man who I don't think he's really is barely expressed condolences For the victims of the virus But we hear about how high ratings are all the time Have you been Subjecting yourselves to these. These nightly is nightly Schick Shos. Yes I do. Why why force myself to watch them? If only because if I start at some point during the day every day I always give up at some point during every day. I just go fuck it. I'm out of this know. I can't fight this. I don't WanNa do this anymore. This is this is too insane I'm just GonNa try to have some fun. That's left in the life. I have random and then I get. I get over that by turning on the trump Nightly As you said the shit show the press conference which is I guess his his replacement for his rallies and And boy and I forced myself through the entirely sometimes ninety minutes. I've done a lot of them that sometimes. I give myself a mental health break when I go into my podcast studio. I'm like then I'm fired up. I've been juiced Evans used up and we're ready to go because you it's I also. Well let me tell you to be honest. I also watch his press conferences to observe the mad genius of the way he works and why it has worked with so many tens of millions of people very congenial. It's a very simplistic genius. You know maybe that's maybe that's the point sort of it is genius yet. Yes he devolved it to a point to where in its simplicity. It had a mad beauty is one of the things nicknames and I did a joke about two weeks ago three weeks ago worse ahead. I'm saying oh I know to give the virus nickname. I'll call it the crooked corona virus. I got the wrong nickname but he is in fact calling it the invisible enemy he did in fact give it a nickname visible enemy s. You know he gave me a nickname. Of course you could. What was that once you can. This bothers me because this is what I often say to people. You know trump a lot of times you gotta listen carefully. Because he's often telling the truth you know when he says it could shoot a guy in the middle of having or any of a number of things In this case the nickname had big kernel of truth to it by my nickname is sloppy. Mike Laugh okay again another moment of truth but I interrupted you. You were talking about his watching them for his genius. No while I was I was just I just think that as he as he what we would call dumbs down or whatever. And it's even that even doesn't disservice to that term He goes to a place where it's it's like it. It part of it is the way you have to. When you're passing a car wreck your you don't say don't look don't look and you have to look. Yeah you the way that his cadence and his whole delivery and the Union. He's reading from the prompter he'll come across a line for the first time and he says. Oh here's it's true. That's that's a good line. Wait a minute aren't saying that life does that all the time. All it's almost like tariffs with him that and you can now. I play a little game where I am. Listening to align listening goes. It's it just hit repeat. Hang ON HERE CAR. Just says it again. You know his it There there was. There was a famous comedian. Once who loved to like when he got a big laugh with the line he'd repeat the line again because he enjoyed the Laffy got and And then suddenly. The woman had no clothes and her in the audience laughs. She had no clothes a second time right now. He's upset because it didn't go as well did the first time so. He says it a third time. She had no clue and by that time. I guess who this is just for our but I'm not going I heard of screwed title voice. I don't WANNA I don't WanNA criticize his comedy. It's not in my. It's not in my understanding. You understand. Okay good but I but I so wanted to tell him more than once that you know. You're so funny let it go in the first one you get a big laugh. You get applause. Go to the next one you know. Probably something that's in all of us that that kiss while all of us want to be loved and so when you get some love What do you want more of it? But it's like maybe it's best to be satisfied with that wonderful love that was just expressed to you in this case from the audience but anyways so yeah. I think with trump I always took him seriously. I said right away As soon as he gave that first speech of his when he came down the golden escalator and and called Mexicans rapists and drug dealers and criminals And like four. What four five days later? Nbc Fires Him In everybody's the outlets and trump and I'm like no he'll be the Republican nominee. No you are on this. You are on this early and you saw it early I didn't even mention him a cartoon until about three weeks after the escalator because it just felt like a waste of time I was just like Oh God you cartoons about this guy. He's there's no way he's going to last but I will in my in my own defense will say When it came down to the election I had a conversation with a cartoonist friend. Because the way you know you have to finish the cartoon before you know what the results of the election are going to be in weeks like that Which is always. You're doing it before but it's going to run after that's that's a tricky deadline to that and My my friend was saying welcome on. Hillary is GONNA win. You might as well just do the cartoon. That's obviously going to win the nets. I'm not so sure of that. I don't have that confidence I am I doing cartoon basically was just about. I don't know what's going to have happened when you're reading this cartoon. I think I did this multiple choice or something like that Because I I. I wasn't confident as you that he was going to win or current win but I did believe that he you know I didn't believe that it wasn't guaranteed that he was going to mix yet see with me. I don't have any special curve. Wyandotte thing going on here I just. I watched the apprentice and I understood why that show. He did fourteen seasons of it. Yeah you know I mean I've done four seasons of my TV show site. Anybody gets fourteen seasons there for a reason and Don't we all of them are such a huge gratitude at this? Yes we're talking about the creator An executive producer of this thing. Well he and also who was the was the head of NBC at the time. Oh yeah was that Sucker Sucker. Pu put him on the air. I'm not sure but what they were smart in the sense that they knew that the especially the middle of the country or anywhere from the Hudson River to interstate five Would would would love the show and they did and So I wasn't surprised that that people right from the beginning one of his TV star. You're kind of a mute. You talk about a lot of this in your strip. Oftentimes about our fascination with celebrities and celebrity culture and gun so it wasn't a wasn't a surprise to me plus. I I spend or did spend Big Chunk of my time in Michigan. Obviously where Levin and I I have I've been there in a while but But I saw. I saw the ravenous for trump amongst his supporters and it didn't feel like it was the majority of Michigan residents but it was rammed enough to know. I knew those people were GonNa vote if there was a ten foot blizzard that day. They were going to vote on election day and there was no excitement for. Hillary Clinton and I mean and I'm talking about that from the left but I'm talking about even in the middle. Nobody was excited about that. And and it's the biggest thing I worry with Biden is that nobody's GonNa wake up on election morning and go. Oh I can't wait to. The pulse is not the most exciting candidate but also. It's just become very weird moment. Where like he can't do rallies he can get One of the call. It earned media He he's stuck in quarantine. Like we all are using the term fourteen loosely wrought Sonata actual who are sort of all in lockdown and You know like I don't know I mean on one hand trump couldn't be screwing everything up you know more. Obviously if he tried on the other hand They've just been so many moments where you think This time you can't possibly survive this. And then he does. I'd just I don't even know it's going to happen. that it's it's It's frightening it is frightening. I think at this point having been from each through these things I think I think. It's the legitimately one or can somehow claim to have legitimately won reelection I think that is basically the end of whatever stand of democracy as we have known it is clay. Yeah yeah that's not hyperbole that Trump will take that and run with it for four years That's the part of me that believes that Biden can pull it off is because I know that the vast majority of majority of Americans the majority don't want trump in there and in a majority of them would crawl through broken glass to remove him Anyway listen to this right now. Seriously if I could guarantee you that trump would be removed from office but I you personally listening to this would have to crawl through broken glass Can I see a show of hands? I'm in I'm in right. Just give me some niels foreign spray and abandoned some bandaids. That's all I need afterwards. No this this. That's that's the reason that that Biden can win in. If if the feeling remains that strong I there has to be an election as you said with the male thing that trump is already thinking about how to have the election. You know you know people say the president has no power to suspend an election and I just think that so. That's adorable that you still love listening to these the dorm. What's so ever? Yes now every time somebody like you said. Every time he said he said Oh the pussy grabbing tape and I remember that night all. That's the end of that trump. Now there's no end of trump was in trump would have ended any other politician. Anybody but his would I from the start with Elizabeth. Superpower has no shame whatsoever right so a thing anyone else would have reacted to as a normal human being. He just he just has no shame thing just at eventually denied that it was even him on the tape. You know he just plowed through And and it works. He just has no shame. And I think there's something secretly in a lot of people most of us that When we screw up and we all screwed up whether it's at work whether it's in our relationships whether it's You name it you know. We've we've all screwed up wouldn't you? When you see trump go through the screw up like nothing happened. There's something almost appealing about that like. I'll a go the shame of what I just. I am not going to agree with. I am not going to agree with you. Feel that way I see him do this just off I'd I'd I'm talking about. I'm talking about most most people if just think back on something they did. Listen we were all when when your mom came in and said where are all the cookies that were in the cookie jar in. You're looking around like you know I don't know if you have any siblings Pettah. That's the ones who really pull it off are the kids who don't have siblings and they're looking around to blame. It on sibling. That doesn't exist a psych. It's like the trump is just so so good at what do you. What's that old Richard? Pryor joke where the He's he's he saying. You know that that. If if your wife accuses you of adultery or whatever you have to deny it never admit to it always deny it and and then it gives the example of this guy who was really good at this trump like figure in his wife comes in and he's in bed with the other woman and in the West Coast. What is going on? Here what is she doing here and the guy goes who still pretty here but me and you were a woman in our bed honey. I don't know what's wrong with you right now but there's nobody here I mean who? Are you going to believe me or your lying eyes? A mistakes. We call gas lighting and trump gas master of it and he will really resent is how much of my life. Now I have had to spend thinking about Donald Trump every day. I mean I think that's why you sound this way. How do I mean I sound fine? Okay I'm worried my friend the microphone. It's like no but it's I just I listen. I read your strip every week and I'm like wow he still man he's like I'm fire. He's got it you know it's no no you're fine. You're you are fine and And I think in times like this. Our sense of humor is something that plus alcohol that can nobody. Can that if you maintain your sense of humor in times like this I believe it can be a huge medicine that big a big relief and comfort minutes. Also it's it's kind of good that it's just my job like I you know otherwise I don't know if I would maintain my sense of humor right now. I am required to out some kind of semblance of sense of humor every week and It's just part of the brain if I need I need. I need somebody. I need handle what this is going. I don't know if it's the gathered education or just the but I do need somebody with a ruler over my head. Sometimes this is due by eight o'clock tonight and You know I try to get Basil's executive producer of this endeavor. I try to get him to like you know you tell me. This has to be done by by this time. And he's he's he's just. I don't know whether it's he's just too nice or he's he knows. It's a lost cause to get me to show on a deadline like this but He's of course he's here. He's not here in the park studio whereas at at home. And he's listening to this right now but But I think he's just. He's heard story about the nonce for too long. And he's just refusing to be a Catholic nun. Maybe maybe Elon. Musk could could fix you up with like a robot that could do that for you or something. That would be scary and I would leave the room and locked the door. I wouldn't musk himself here. Oh we can't do that because of social distancing. I'm just imagining a very simple robot with a ruler attached to the top and it just lacks you on the head or on the knuckles. Whatever your whatever you Catholic Munster Yeah when scarring for life as a child though actually actually we had really good non side very progressive nuns hippie. Nuns it hippie priest they were they were all pretty good. But what if it wasn't musk? What if he okay social distancing? Let's just he's out in the other room right now. You know and I'm just sitting in here and then you hear this voice. You're not recording on here. Please three quarters so so in this scenario is some sort of supernatural entity like you said his name three times in the natural probably knew yes but also. There's a bit of Doctor Strange Amboise. No I don't know is there. Do we want you? Don't WanNa go back to normal really truly right We personal normal out. That's a complicated question. My call your normal. I would go back to your but when you say I don't want to go back to normal in society. I'm talking about society at all styles I mean you know we're gonNA massive unemployment an ongoing healthcare crisis for released. All twenty twenty so normal is not really possible in normal was not normal was kind of what put us in the situation with you know made us vulnerable to a black swan event like this Normal is not working With with Income inequality normal is not working with our ridiculous healthcare system Normal and no. I don't I don't want to go back to normal but I don't I I also you know we don't really have a path out with Donald Trump and his and his Oligarchs running everything you know. You personally don't have an idea of that path out well not under the conditions as they exist. Today as we are talking I may not. But let's say once we're through the pandemic so that we don't return to the same old ways this a lot. You know. We need a lot of the stuff. Bernie Sanders joining with definitely need universal healthcare. Now that's that's just that should be a fundamental building block of any civilized society and it's just shocking to me How difficult we've made it in this country. Well I think we will get some of these things. I think they're already doing it. They're reducing mass incarceration because of the virus was. The thing should have been doing that already. What this is shown us for? You know the argument against all these progressive Reforms for Salon. How will we pay for it? Turns out you can pay for anything you want. You just throw money at it. I mean how let there be the primary lesson? Espn damning can afford to pay any damn thing. We want how out nice things like healthcare and and whatever else You know student should be fifty two hundred thousand dollars moving student. That's good now. Just some basics should be fifteen to twenty dollars an hour riot and should always come with healthcare should always come with government wishes Ryan Healthcare. Yeah Yeah but we just need. We need to save cut in the way that we do not have a safety net and so suddenly this thing he had some. We collectively fell the high wire that we were barely hanging onto any way. And there's not a safety net there are and and you know Salako. These reforms cannot be Corona virus civic like. They they they. We have to understand that like the next. Fandom is going to be worse like this is a trial run And it's a wakeup call. What what if you could just wave a magic wand when this is over and and do not want to make sure that there's no homeless anymore people whatever but just you know if you could wave a magic wand post pandemic You know what would you want life to look like and again I don't necessarily my political amount I'm saying to in a personal way Because I think things are GONNA BE DIFFERENT. I really do. I think it's going to be different personally for me. I mean well. There's a societal structure of things. We've just talked about but honestly I just missed the world. Miss Going out and seeing my friends in person Like I just. I don't I don't know you know I don't know how long it's going to be really released. Simple things like that are going to be awesome again. We leave people with any hope today. We this too shall pass. It will pass and wait we willingness and this is a major thing that I don't know if every one I mean we're here in New York and we're getting whacked and I just don't know the extent to which everyone is really understanding that you know like this isn't GonNa be over in two weeks assistant. GonNa be over until months. I don't know what is going to look like or how we're going to cautiously reopened nervion age or whatever but this is like You know I don't know world war breaking up or something. This is a thing that is going to impact every aspect of our lives For a long time I it it just kinda happened very suddenly on. It's it's just it's taking me awhile to get my head around that. Yeah I mean. I don't know I should ask this during the podcast. That are you going to stay in New York when you are mobile again? I Miss Michigan That's a good question. That's a very good question Yes I'll probably definitely want to go back home I my sister's living California. Saw saying them under their kids They're all in the west coast. That's a that's a really good question. One great thing about this podcast is it can be portable. I've built the studio in the guest bedroom here in New York in the in the apartment and I can build. I can build Michigan to in a day So this excuse me if Everything I love about living in the city in shutdown on. I'm not sure why would stay in the city right the reasons that we liked live here when we're here right if I am literally just staying inside all the time that I might as well do that somewhere where I can get a you know a house much cheaper than the armlet. Where would you go. I have no idea I have no idea. I mean my son is still seeing the country. You've lived in many places I have. You have your idea of a teenage On the East Coast a couple of hours away. And he's got another your high school so for your The final count probably go where he has am Sunday. You're there and they figured out but I don't know you know I just came back to New York two years ago. And in a very transitional space of my life to begin with so a lot of things have been up in the air anyway and this just makes it more so except that. Now everything's up in the air but I'm stuck in my argument twenty four hours a day doing fine Michael Song as the best time of your life all the TV. I I don't I don't know it's it's like a teenager's dream in one of the reasons I didn't. I had the choice to go to Michigan when the just right when this was first beginning You know the Michigan Primary was happening. They're burning and or stay in New York Or at ended up at that at the end of February and I decided to stay here and I to be honest the main reason I thought of not going to Michigan especially northern Michigan so I live very kind of read part of the State even though the town I live in his very blue I didn't WANNA be around in an area of the country where people Have a lot of guns. Frankly oh well I just thought you know if if the if society collapses entirely in a people can't eat and they can't get fresh water and they can't get this or that or whatever I don't I don't WanNa be the target of their Anchor and for that reason and I actually. I just remembered that night we You and I were walking down Thirty thirty Fourth Street. Or whatever. Remember this we're going to Madison Square Garden to see a pearl jam that that album cover. You had done their album cover. Yeah so this is the billiton years ago. Yes and You remember what happened where walking down the street. I do remember. Tell the story. I don't like telling the story and any security professional would encourage you not to tell the story but I you know I don't care anymore on the other side of the street. Somebody shouts out my name and you and I we both look over and he raises his two hands to arms like he's got a shotgun in his hands and he does the pump action. And I know you were like in shock. That was only the hundredth time. Somebody had done something like that to me. Tommy off to blow my head off and And you said to me. Does that happen a lot? I said Yeah it's okay. Just keep on the main thing is he didn't have a gun. He had pretend gun In his hands and He you know he kept going. He's not gonNA come over here and do anything In that which is usually the case. Either they don't usually do anything to me Physically mostly out of fear that if they hit me I follow on them. So it's best not to hit me. I think it is reward but But that was But yeah so that kind of mentality. I felt I'm safer in my New York City apartment building for the hell of him is all I mean Congress building. Yeah but you know I think I'm okay. I I want to live in New York. I just want to live him. I went to New York. I want New York to recover from this and find a way out of it In with the understanding that it's going to be a long haul and there's going to be a lot of restrictions on life. I still love the city and I don't want to leave it Now it's I- idea of Lisera three different times in my life and I came back after my life kind of fell apart a couple of years ago and it's been very good demand like the city. I like being here. I just This this particular moment is really rough moment that I I'm not you know I think. About what other options are. What else might do but I I like New York. Yeah I do too and and I like that you're here and I'm let's let's Commit in front of a few hundred thousand witnesses right now seriously. We have close to spend more time together. You know we we. If we're ever allowed to do these things again for reloading through human beings and personally we can. We can get a go somewhere with really long dinner table and sits wealthy art. We have two on each other. I'm more calm system or something. It won't be that bad. We'll we'll do that. I'm I'm I'm glad that that your friend and Yeah well on a personal level and also on a creative level that I have a brother I have a fellow traveler. Absolutely tries to handle the world that we're in Through humor and and also some A will to to be back. All that is All the were up against and And I believe that can happen as sure as I believe. This virus will be over That will happen in the people listening to this right now. They know it to their ready there. Chomping at the bit to get going starting with the first job staying alive everybody. Everybody keep doing that. And then secondly get rid of trump and then finally most importantly probably Once you live if you're able to live is Let's get rid of that. Which gave us trump those parts of the system. Right but heroic. That's a super important point A monster but trump is a symptom trump from his result. Trump did not appear out of a vacuum did not fall out of the sky and And he will be gone in that which gave us him. We'll also be gone and it will be replaced with a more loving and compassionate System I'm I'm convinced of that. I know I can tell. It's what people want in those who don't agree with us. We'll be kind to them to. We'll make sure that their health bills are covered. They have to pay for them will make sure that their kids can go to college and not have to worry about the money. We'll we'll all the things we're GONNA do. We're going to do for the people that we disagree with. Two sounds lovely Dan Thank you so much. My My podcast. I hope you start a podcast. One of these days I on Anton invite me on because maybe one episode podcast began in with Michael. Moore's we ask don't ask me about it. Nobody thank you very much. Everybody who's listening to this this I've been talking to Dan Perkins Aka. Tom Tomorrow His incredible cartoon strip which is called this modern world. can be found every Monday on the daily Cho's and every Tuesday on the NIB and And on his website of this modern world a DOT COM And you can find it on my podcast Platform Hey cheer. You're on twitter. Yes he is definitely a quitter. Way Too much at Tom. Tomorrow at Tom Tomorrow. That's easy always had time her time when. I was a child with a word tomorrow. I'm trying to sell. It probably did not feel like there. There was much wanted. But that's another podcast but seriously Thank you thank you and everybody out there You keep at it to start drawing. If that's what you were wanting to do. No one can stop you now. You're in your home. 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56 - Coronavirus

"What's up you guys? I'm on a brand new stand up toward I'm hitting a bunch of theatres. I got grand rapids Michigan coming up. New Haven Connecticut just added a second show in Dallas Texas Columbus Ohio Austin Texas and added a second show in Washington. Dc check out all the dates at four jeeps or dot com slash tour. Welcome to another episode of sincerely. Fortunate is fortune and Jax. And we missed you guys. We haven't chat just had a little girl chat in a while. You mean just the two of us to weaken back pitch to Jackson. Good job. You're jollies Bogu. I'm GonNa to spare everyone in not joining. I'm guessing that's one thing we've never done together. Yeah because I can't sing. We have never carry your key because I don't I have never in my life never ever. You've never ever Karaoke. No I used to like lip synching my own car by myself. I am not a good singer but you love music so I am obsessed with music. But let's just put it this way. I'm so bad with that when I taught kindergarten. I couldn't even sing happy birthday to my students. I would just pretend because the kids would stare at me so I'd have to mouth. The words like a doing it but I knew wanted to hear that. It's not your thing. I don't understand how to carry it to do. Remember when the one time you went to church with me? How a singing the hymns like. Ooh You know him like yeah. You were like silent and then I felt like you were judging me. I mean I was but also I can't sing go. Okay I'll tell you this You can dance. You're really a dancer. Now Okay West. I mean like when you go to the club. You're dancing okay. Maybe I've had a few cocktail. How's life intrigue? Oh life is being great at check in your all the way across the desk for me to see what's up. It's been crazy around here. We are gearing up for a brand new. Stand up tour. I'm doing a ton of theaters. This time it's pretty crazy so Jackson has been organ Super Hard China. Think of cool merch. I yes I will say. This jacked hit the Jackpot. She when he designed a new T. shirt. That's a cutoff t shirt. Or was that sleeveless. Yeah yeah sleeveless shirt and she found a cool font and it says lesbian swimsuit. I only came up with the idea because basically that's what you wear your swim. I just was smart. Enough to put lesbian swimsuit on the normally blinked t shirt. It looked great to me so she ordered a bunch of those t shirts or eventually figure out how to get them online. Where it's like one step at a time. We're trying to just get merch for the live shows right now. I actually ordered a few surprise Merton items for the grand rapid show. Don't know if we're GONNA sell them or maybe to sell them to our friends and family like exclusive. We're GONNA solve your friends know at grant. Well we're going to grand rapids is the first show on the tour and I'm from Michigan. So a lot of my family members are coming in like fifty other people like friends and Stock Hush so grocer no and my sister called me and said hey like before the show. Can we all go to dinner like we told her two friends that were going to? Dinner Delays Mind joining us. I'm sure just like how many people just like you have an idea. Oh fifty on my way. What oh so. It's GonNa be a whole thing but I ordered a few different merch options that I designed kind of surprise you also. I feel like you might have said notice them so I just went ahead and ordered them and I had them shipped to my mom's house. I'm like mom. Will you seek really bring these to the show? I'm so curious as to what this could be. Navy was on at the show. I didn't buy a ton of them because I didn't want to be stuck with like a thousand but is different than the usual merchant so like stickers no panties knows sports bras up maybe one day someone told us we should sell underwear said sports bras. I said we should put show me. Democrats on the supports Proba. We'll see one of my Classic is talking. About how much love Tater tots I say. Give me them tots or yeah. GimMe Dat show me them. Dot On them tat. Would you buy that on a sports bra? Give me the toddler show me them tots. Maybe not and then on the underwear. Someone's input fortunes cookie. I don't I don't know if I could tell grandma. That's not a great idea. You guys have any great merch ideas. Some of you shared some of them on instagram. Feel free to let us know at sincerely. Fortune gmail.com or on the facebook group where still open to different ideas? Were working out a few things. We WanNa do a few more complicated designs. It just takes more time and getting it all set up. You'll be able to buy things that they're super into right and have more options in just normally we just do a pretty basic desierto and we this time. Why not try to come up with some more creative thing? We have a poster for sure. That's cool. We're having printed out and some news stickers. There's new shirt and then Seems like a lot of people want something that says. I have never been to hooters. But we don't know what designed to put with it because that's not our forte biggie. Also said he needs his own merch beginning to merch. Yeah biggies be. I want to sell a dog shirt but I don't know that that's like a bestseller will log shirt interesting. Someone said I'm sure she's going to be listening to this. We we have a ginger on in a minute. My mom she'll be on at some point. Someone said they wanted a sticker or something that says. Oh my mom's face on it and it says just an average methodist or an average methodist from that methodist episode or. I don't remember which one it was. But she goes. I'm just an average methodist. Are you sure it wasn't your mom? My mom say listen. I think that you girls should come up with a sticker with my face on it. I like that idea. I just don't know if everyone comes to shows listened to the podcast at the end of the last tour. We sold a Brendan. Tim Shirt that said I swear to God team and I can't tell you how many people I had to explain maybe like I don't get it what who's him. I'm like Oh you don't follow her on social media. You won't get it just depends on how people know me you know right. Brenda usually haven't done a while on the podcast but she pops up on instagram. The most right so and I mean people know you from so many different things. It's hard if it's not especially when you're touring the merch usually connect with the show that year ads. So they can so we'll figure it out but if you have any ideas definitely Schumer away. Someone suggested College Virgin. Yes one I try my of ordered over. Oh really oh man. I sat through and watched through special in just jotted down every that I came up with. She's a mover and Shaker real businesswoman. Over there I feel like her going on. Tour creates more work for me than her definitely more stress. I don't know she's like so amazing and loves performing and I get more stressed in worried. That not gonna go well or something. I don't know I guess maybe I'm more of a worrier and then on behind the scenes are you nervous to yeah just want. We would have a good time. Yes Yeah I WANNA put on a good show and then I have behind the scenes like figuring out everything from like. Who's going to be our house sitter? What are we doing with the dogs? Yeah we probably will bring biggies. Sometimes matty doesn't like to travel so don't be yelling at us. If Matt is not with us she has a great babysitter and plays with a bunch of dogs and she loves being with those other dogs. Don't we tell them people? 'cause I bring biggie. I'm GONNA hide him. I do not want him getting all these germs. Up on him yeah. He's doing so much better though. He's now making a full recovery but still even baby eighty so Q. They're both Oh kyu they're laying here all like sweet angels has they are I. Do you feel about your whole family coming for almost five years in a relationship in the beginning you were pretty nervous when they would see me up. How do you feel now like are you more used to it? I'm not really because the only other this was in the beginning of my relationship. My grandma came to the show. And I'm like do you like little that blowjob jobs on not new way and she did it longer and then like called my gramma out in the audience and stuff so I feel like I might have more anxiety but I think my family's very supportive of our relationship a love both of us so I think it's okay they. They're very sweet. You have a very good family. And they're so supportive. Whenever WE GO TO MICHIGAN THEY RALLY THEY COME. They bring a bunch of friends. Great when we do it in the Detroit area. My Dad always like has a big party at his house. So whole thing this trap. Most of my family doesn't live in grand rapids driving several hours. Yup Getting hotels doing the whole thing was a fun. Show fifteen hundred seat theater. It's going to be packed with lovely. Michiganders' I hope there's not a snowstorm. I don't even think about. This is snowing. Yes it doesn't marsh. Oh No no okay man I forget about snow you know living in La like Oh yeah. Snow thirty eating warm here. The Tom's changing next weekend right this coming weekend. The Tom Changes. So set your clocks you have to spring forward you guys spring forward and make sure you vote. We don't tell you who to vote for. That's not this kind of podcast but vote. Okay I will say. There is one advantage to having had my netflix special. Come out recently and may bring up my love. Chili's Rwanda Dallas. We added a second show their and their headquarters is in Dallas. And there's word on the street that they're going to hook me up with some bones buffalo wings. Oh Yeah I have made it. You have can get some of the ball buffalo wings and Dunkin ran. Don't be triple dip and back there. Dunk it in some of the Hidden Valley triple dipping like in double dipping triple Burg- yet to be pretty careful right now about germs. That's kind of what we wanted to talk to you guys about today. I want to and we don't want to yet we want to. We don't want to but we feel like it's what's happening in the world. We CAN'T IGNORE IT. Not Talk about it and we want our sincerely fortune listeners to be fully prepared his. I'm sitting across from one of the world's cleanest most. What do you call it? Ocd You hate germs. You've always been very proactive. And you're keeping germs away. So I felt like who better to like. Get some information from in some tips from the Jacks because up scrawny virus it has nothing to do with Corona. Beer it is. Oh Gosh I. Some of these tweets from people now young corona beer companies like. Hey people are. Sales have gone down. It has nothing to do with with that. The first of all corona virus encompasses a lot of different viruses It was like the SARS yes Murders and there are a lot of known corona viruses. Several that are only carried in animals is as of now but the new one I think is says so for. There's more than three thousand. No I was going to say like this one. The current one is called C. O. V. I D. Nineteen right yeah. I don't have pronounce it. Yeah that's the strain of the one that his one affecting everyone right now and they think what started China and has now spread. How did it start? It started so they think they think originally that started in bats and it's darted at this seafood animal market in Wuhan China. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right out here. And we want Wuhan I think yeah and they have like dead and live animals at that market and I would like someone to bat but I also read articles that said the bat could have infected animal that was at the market like a chicken and then the prison you know interesting so it has now traveled lake SARS. They think originally started with like cats and traveled to human. Moore's was camels and went to human so some of these viruses bats when they go crazy where when they travel from the animal to a human and then humans all touch each other high. Fine Asti Call. Everybody keeps in La. We'll more into the crow vars with everyone touches each other. Everyone wants the hough high five handshake. Kiss Kiss Deli. Hug and listen. That's all good but now it's not Jackson not a hugger just so you know if you are headed toucher hugger toucher. I'm a lot more open. So people grabbed me law but they grabbed me while there is a virus like this being spread. Still Live your life do your thing because it's like get it it's a it's a version of like the flu right. Yes yeah and so you still live your life you just have more precautious. You have to wash your hands a lot. Yeah it is still be touching everybody all the time so there are many different symptoms and you can have a very mild to very severe case and they were saying one of the biggest issues. Is that this. Strain of the virus doesn't cause very severe reactions in a lot of people which means it's easier to spread because sometimes you have no idea that you're even sick and then if you do get sick it's like a very mild cold so you're like. I'm still going to go to work. And that's it spread so it said. Some of the symptoms are fever. Cough shortness of breath. It can cause pneumonia kidney failure and death now. Most of those cases have been with older people or people with compromised immune systems so far it has manifesting kids ray as mu- like now they were saying not but then other people were like kids can be carriers know it so. I'm not sure because it is a very new virus so there every day they're learning more about it and Symptoms are showing up in people anywhere from two to fourteen days after exposure and they said before you even show symptoms. You can be contagious. So that's also a problem in containing it because you have no idea but again for most people it just affects you like a coal can. They're saying you know you don't have to go to the hospital. There's really nothing that they can do for you there because it's a virus. It's more about you not going and in spreading it drivers if you do have the has yeah. They're they're saying if you have symptoms like just quarantine yourself like stay at your house if you have to go out. That's when they're saying where masks so if you cough or sneeze your droplets are going into the air the mask or more for people who actually have exactly or if you have to have a tissue corssings into the tissue or into your elbow because when you cough or sneeze to your hand and then you touch something. The virus does live on surfaces. And so if you're doing to your hand and you're spreading it all around all things as a kindergarten teacher I've known for years and taught my students for a year. She tells me every day. Did you wash your hands? Did you wash your hands? I mean basically when you read like how to prepare for the virus what to do. It's like wash your hands for at least twenty seconds scrub on the fronton backs under your nails. I'm like yes. Manila fails high do under your nails for real. Yeah Oh shower brushing regular nail. You got to say because I don't like to count. Didn't they say if you sing? Happy Birthday twice. Was that the song. Yes everywhere date one. Another thing is thoroughly cooking your meat and eggs. Yes void contact with sick people. They're recommending that people get the flu shot because not because it prevents the corona virus but because it prevents if you get the flu shot then hopefully you. Don't get the flu because the flu in Toronto Similar. They don't want people going to the hospital thinking they have it and it's just the flu and then it takes more resources up right. It'd be using for that and It did say if you could like stay. Six feet away from other people. Just because if they cough or sneeze. That's Win Right. You know like the germs are spreading their the other. Big thing is don't touch your face to face Here's the thing about any illness or germs. When you're out people touch surfaces they pick it up. Then they'd have to. There is their nose their mouth name. Spread very quick when you touch your eyes yet sick a lot but when they rope. Germs in there is right any any opening on your face. That's I mean again as a kindergarten teacher. I'm like this is what I've been preaching for years. Maybe finally we'll start listening but yes like some people recommend wearing gloves and they were like not because the gloves are going to prevent something from like seeping in through your fingers but more so because when you have gloves on you're more aware of not touching your face because you've got these gloves on because so many people touch their face all day long and don't even think about it right. What's my biggest thing that I always say to you? You say don't touch your foot my forehead. I was trying to give her a visual. Kalou by no touch my you. You're always trying to. I'm trying to romantic with you. Hey you never watch notebook. Oh my gosh tries to face thinking it's like loving is probably one of my biggest pet peeves. I can't all tangent touches. Anybody touches y'all. She is not wash those romantic movies. Where those those people just like you know? Rather face and caress it and they. You know all all romantic movie like okay not for you know. Take him things on after. Remember that Jack's is fear of germs. And all that stuff will always outweigh wanting to cuddle. Or like. If I've come home from somewhere should I you're not touching me to you? What's your before when she'd like? Do a meet and greet and give me a kiss. I'm like go wash your face in your bird but I know it sounds crazy to people who don't really think about it but if you talk to a nurse they will agree. I mean you are covered in germs and having said all that I think that a good dose of germs is okay and help us build your immune system. Yeah I'm not saying you can't use too much pure Al Right. Yes bacterial soap and all that yes. New Jersey. I don't know other than yes. You do. Need some germs to build up your immune system. That's IT and having taught kindergarten for fifteen years I feel like my immune system was pretty strong but then there are other things we this is just obvious like especially with us and traveling all over the country in the world. You're going to be constantly exposed all these new germs. So why not an like on an airplane right? That's another thing about this corona virus and I'm into airplanes now our disinfecting and cleaning then finally doing more. Yes it would. That's good. Let me see I wrote it down because they were getting a little slack on that. Yeah they were saying that like Delta now. This was for flights coming from like Asian Italy. But they were spraying the interior with a disinfectant. Fogging the cabin after flights and then they were like with the linen the dishes the headphones the food carts they were extra to giving another round of disinfecting and they also said that their air filtration systems were already capable of filtering out the virus but they were taking those other steps in terms of things on the plane. And I'm like wait if they had the capabilities. Why we're doing it before. And maybe now to all these other passengers they're been selling out of like Lysol wipes corex wipes everyone else has been cleaner so now. Yeah my like crazy. Plane ritual now was like Oh this is smart and if you think about it it makes sense if everyone just takes one. Wipe and wipe down your tray table. Just make a big difference guys reffing so my gleaner have the ability to stop it or not. Stop it you know help. Yeah and because it was getting out of control like when you know Nicole buyer was finding a whole turn and her off blanket. I remember I opened up. Ken Brand New in plastic blanket on a flight and it was crusted with some sort of human so gross. And then I'm like okay from now on I'm going to travel with Malan. Blanket grows grows like those things are should never be happening. Maybe people will stop putting their filthy feet all align who've been putting feet on the TV screens and we want to say how we were on that flight and someone was poking me with their toe nails. It wasn't just you know you can tell by our conversation here in our previous episode on cleaning the Jackson is not a fan of feet or germs. And things like this. We got on this plane. This was months ago and this person. I don't know if they had like a moped accident or high. That moped moped accident but her entire leg was scraped from like five to the tip of her. Tow it had all scabbed from the dire all the way down all over her foot it was we go and I just got must see. She's mean I still have not forgiven. This is cruel and unusual is sit in the middle see. I was trying to be nice. She I'll now because it was your turn. Don't act like you were giving it to switch off the middle seat and guess what no one was sitting next to her. So yes apart. Oh I do so. She just wanted to be quiet but I just assumed the girl because she had her foot propped up on. What would be Jackson's seat? When we walked in I just assumed any courteous person would immediately know rules of air. Put Your foot down. Don't have your scabby grody foot. Poking don't rested on the seat in front of you. So Jack's boggled. We took off the nothing happened for a while. Jessica's Owego. We're hyperventilating because I was sitting there and all of a sudden like God what keeps poking my arm and I look down. And there's this crusty looks like them. Lowe's fungal really gross. It was but I haven't seen these grown over toenail I mean it was gnarliest gusting and I'm just like and then I was like okay. Clearly some things happened here. It's I don't think it's a fungus. I think it's scabs which I don't know if that's better or worse but I'm just like Oh my God. I felt bad for the girl if she was in an accident. But also there. It was a huge plane. An International Gabby foot someone's chair. This was like Bali Donkey Kong over five hours huge plane. She could've said I. You Know Zero K no not caen. Before she checked in like do you have a bulkhead seat available is? There's something in First Class. Can I upgrade? Can I move over there to seats open so many options? And if they were just like absolutely not. It's a full flight but it wasn't a full flight and all. This is a girl I can poke. That's something. So as I'm like hyperventilating. The flight attendant walks bongos. Oh I know it's gross. I try to add up. Yeah she goes. I tried to ask her to put it down and she wouldn't. Do you want me to get you a blanket. So she doesn't poke her toenail into you. The Wolf Lay. So I'm like yeah I guess but also why didn't you give me one in the beginning like I just feel like use? This should not be an issue but I don't like confrontations so I just took the blanket and discourage way over and said nothing and almost vomited switch with you and you wouldn't have. What do you wish you were just settled in? No one dear. Laugh watching your move. The notebooks books romantic thing about how wish I could face my good All the planes are stepping it up. Thank goodness thank kill although the guy that we know that has those Oh airplane airplane seat covers is selling out of. Everyone's selling out of everything like the face masks again. They recommend you wearing them. If you're sick so you don't spread it. But they were saying. Please stop buying these mass because now like medical professionals and people who need them they're sold out and they can't get them however if they're telling you because the N. Ninety five mask is supposed to be the one that really prevents the particle ninety five percent or something of the things from coming in versus. Just like the little paper masks. But I'm like well. They're clearly protecting the medical professionals which means I wanted to protect me on a flight but they have to be secure on your fate as a whole thing. If you have a beer not doesn't work. Does it help you? Yes this thing is obviously serious and I hope they get it contained. But you know there's a lot of fear being spread and that's what they were saying like. Mosul are freaking out. And you don't have to. It's just about being smart and taking pretty like basic precautions. Wash your hand wipe down surfaces. It did if this is any indication that it could get better did say in China. The infection seems to be slowing down. So that's good. There's cases popping up in Washington state. Well the problem is every country's handling differently. They were saying in South Korea. They have an unusually high number of cases but that country's testing more people than any other country the United States. We're not just testing everyone so we have no idea. We don't even have that many tests here so it's a little bit skewed You know but it's like the flu so if you're generally healthy I mean basically what you WanNa do is make sure your body is the healthiest it can be. Your immune system is strong so that you can fight this or any the flu or anything. That's going around right now. She has us taking probiotics taking probiotics vitamins. So you can take vitamins if that's what you want to or elderberry. Stragglers vitamin C. Just you know making each your fruits and vegetables. Did you get sleep? Wash your hands? Wipe down surfaces. If you feel sick please don't travel. Don't go to work. Don't go to events and spread it like yeah. Americans tend to push through their colds and flus and go to work anyway. Just take it easy gas and I think he said come to my shows. Yeah I mean we were just had a huge venue. It's as long as you're just being cautious being aware of your own your germs and others around you. I played soccer tonight. Had A great time I didn't high five everyone at the inland normally do but I still play soccer. Yes I read this article about like end. The rich people are trying to get ahead of the lining by the first vaccines. But I read an article. It said it's going to get at least a year defined even with like the flu shot every year. It takes a while listening. Yes it like. It's science combined with art in trying to figure out how it works so there's not going to be a vaccine in the near future but again it's like the flu so as long as you are healthy. Doing everything that you can is not the first global health emergency. No they have very couple years swine flu. Remember that two thousand nine polio. That may come back. Ebola ZEKA RA RA ZICO. So The New York Times and I quote wrote. Alcohol is a good disinfectant for corona virus. So make sure to keep surfaces in your home clean through those tissues in a wastebasket after you blow your nose the CDC also recommends cleaning high touch services like phones tablets. I love it. That's like the advice on my own. Just do that on the regular and they don't. I'm glad that this is here. Do you know how many people are getting? You don't like the people are getting sick and dying absolutely. Don't like that. I like that. There's more of an awareness of germs. I take Lysol wipe to my phone once a day. I mean that's disgust. I know I know I don't. I did read a story in The Washington Post from a guy in the states. Who has it just because I was really curious about. What's going on he? He wrote that he has it and he says is his second. One was and it hasn't been that bad. He says he's in his late sixties and the cigarettes. He was ever had been a few years ago when he had bronchitis and this has been much easier. No chills nobody aches Hebrews easily. He doesn't have a stuffy nose. His chest feels tight and he hasn't coughing spells and he said if our home with similar symptoms are probably would have gone to work as usual. He was one the passengers on that Diamond Princess cruise ship got quarantine you know in Japan for like fourteen days and that was supposed to be a sixteen day cruise when they got off a cruise. He on the flight back up tested and they found out that he had it. So he outfall until I think Omaha some yeah Omaha where he's been quarantine and his wife doesn't have it. She's quarantined with them. Like in a safer spot where they can still communicate but he's basically just like having to like wade out in this like walking around his room all day. He's like really tired. But you know it's kind of just like having a bad flu. He's in quarantine on other effect of People. But it's just so crazy he was like you know if you had told me that in January I'd be leaving my house for crews and not returning to March out. You know what of never guessed it and this is why I don't like yeah. I don't think I'm ever GonNa Cruise. I don't think so either. So there's been a lot of fear and rumors surrounding this and I wanted to talk about a few more ridiculous things. One was that hair weave from China is infected with the virus. They said that is a myth. It's a myth. Joan worry about it another one was that rubbing garlic over your whole body would prevent it and I'm like maybe vampires but not the corona virus. Sometimes they say garlic is good for your immune system so if you want to put a little raw garlic soup or something you knock yourself out but don't rub. Please don't rub it on your body and travels stinky winky. There was also rumor. If you rub sesame oil all over your body that it would somehow preventive. He's trying chicken salad. There was a rumor that the pope has it and they said that is false. Okay also that it was a biological weapon created in a lab owned by Bill Gates. Jeez and that one was false. My favorite was now. It was reported. They said by over twenty. Four departments and radio stations on facebook. It was saying that math could be contaminated with it own that bring it to the police station. The police station. We'll test it for free that's entrapment. And they were like this is not true. Louise's do not bring your method but also if you do you will be arrest under new ones done. That they're saying how like went viral and people kept re tweet and please do not do that. Because you're because of the mask shortage. There was a lady on Youtube. She was making masks out of her Bra. Like Property Cups and then people ineffective big bras like this covers my whole face or breathe. Oh my Gosh Okay. The other thing. That really freaked me out. They were seeing a dog tested positive for it and the dog did infact tests positive. His owner had it But they it lives on surface. Says they're not sure. How long can but it can be for. I think quite a while so they were saying though that the dog actually didn't have it in self that it was just where they were swabbing living but it wasn't in the dog system and I hope that's true because my little biggie boy cannot get it lasts kind of interesting thing was they were saying in mainland China because it lives on surfaces they were deep cleaning and destroying cash because think of how dirty money is how many hands it goes through so they were like uh-huh so everyone get apple pay or credit cards. Well there you go gonna be all all okay. Let's wash our hands. Take care of ourselves and each other. I'm worried for you that it's going to affect seasons of the Bachelor Bachelor in Paradise Travel. Everywhere they make out with everyone. What do you mean that too that too a lot of like? Oh one corona virus and next thing you know. Everyone's down for the count. Oh no the bachelor haven't really liked this season. Yeah but you. Can't you know if you're a single you guys I think about it? Think about what you're doing. You won't be interested in this news at all. But they announced new Bachelorette and she's the contestant from a long time ago and she's like in her thirty eight or something in that one. That's like a grandma. I think it's awesome but everybody else's who should be looking for actually want to get married young. You're old only cover of people magazine. Oh anyway well. I feel like you really gave people some great information delightful to I feel like I talked too much eerie passionate about germ. I'M NOT GONNA lie. I'm not an expert and I just want to. Yes she's not Doug Jackson doctor. I certainly am doctor but I just want everyone to be aware in life corona virus or not. Please do your part to not spread your filth all over the place and you know. Try and keep yourself save well. I enjoyed this episode. Because this has been the chatty EST you've been because you get so passionate about germs and it is so fun to watch well it's also because they drank half a bottle of wine trying to kill any. Germs may have entered my body with alcohol so the alcohol to win year traveling. A drink whiskey to kill the germs. Although they say you should drink a lot of water and really wait alcohol but other people say it kills germs. I don't know I'm going to go with this. Killing the germs lines killing the Germs Jessica shows and drink some whisky exactly. Wash your hands. Just don't cheers me all right awesome? Well I hope you guys enjoyed this week's episode if you are looking for something fun to do while you're at home checkout sweet and salty when our Netflix special and we hope to see you on the road at a show? Yup Grand rapids coming up. Keep washing those hands and stay healthy and we will talk to you next week.

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489-Jake Weisman, Matt Ingebretson & Brendan Schaub

Your Mom's House

3:09:06 hr | 2 years ago

489-Jake Weisman, Matt Ingebretson & Brendan Schaub

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Well, I think you need to get the first full because I have a little experience with this lady. Why don't you by the way? People listening is going up to a town hall hearing about an issue where basically, you know, there's the the people that have power, right? The city commissioners, and whatever their titles are. And then there's an audience of members of the public. And then you kind of can take your turn to walk up to the Mike and address the issue at hand. Yeah. So go ahead. No. I'm just I'm very excited because I have a very good observation. Yeah. The the Bronx. Yeah. Is that what you're gonna go to really I think the common denominator with a really great. Why lady clip we've already determined? What the guys are were Brock quality Novara, no bra and the biggest slop or you've ever seen and they're not young slobber. Like, they've gotta be forty. Plus. Oh, yeah. No. They got some miles on Monte. It's and then she's got like the ridiculous chain around her neck. Oh, yeah. Keys like a card. Yeah. It's an official thing. Like, a lamb it. It would. It's her qualifications her life. Call. Yeah. Go see fuck hell out glasses to my name is Lisa, and why Whitmer Wakeman I just moved here because I'm getting a divorce and it's not final till September eighteenth. My husband will not give me and money. Not one penny. The lawyer won't help me. My husband won't help me. Sure. My dad, Marlin Lee Whitmer, his minister won't help me. My stepmother won't help me. My mother passed away seven years ago. Discussing the rezoning for the poor Tellas the comments on that for what we're discussing the rezoning third for I live on sixty third again. We're here to hear comments about the rezoning. Well, I don't like Facebook. And I don't like the internet because I can't find a job the library blocked, my password. Now, tell me does that make any sense to you know, actually. I think that the library. I believe the library may have issues with her. I think she probably earned that block. Yeah. Yeah. They blocked her password, Tom, they block your password at or. No, it makes no sense. Can you imagine being one of these people on this? What are you have a password for at the library? That's what I'm saying. I guess to get in to to look at the internet and stuff. All right. Right. Right. That's why she doesn't like the internet. She's they're talking about her marital problems and shit. And my husband won't help me. We won't give her a penny. My step mom won't help. Maybe nice, by the way in a divorce even a divorce. She just needs to be heard the day. That's my favorite wouldn't do that to you. Can we you know this morning? I was like I was like pay by love. You wanna stay married forever, please? Let's never divorce, and you are just like, oh, there's new variety that opened up down the street. I'm like I'm looking for reassurance. I'm looking for. I love you will never get a divorce. Can you say that to me, Tom? Well, so because it was in the city a damn important CAD with where was the city of Davin. Do you know where? Do you know where that is? I don't care and divorce town for you. Hello. Are we gonna say together forever or not? I mean, I mean everything happens for raises up it. No not getting adverse. No, we're not getting a divorce. I'm just making sure you're in it to win it. We have children together. I now. But some people don't care. I got. I mean, I'm saying, I don't know. What's out there? You know? You know, it's out there road beef. Yeah. You've been you've been out there before we read. Yeah. Yeah. We'll see. So dumb, you keeping your options open. I mean, I mean, everyone's got let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. What woman out there is going to clean out your ear hair? Like awful lot. Here's the deal, man. I need to be fucked a lot man, you know, that that's a clip that I still think about a lot try it. I think about him all the time. I still think about him. I think about my grandfather and him the most. Wait. But I'm trying to make a point which is we were at Starbucks yesterday. And I noticed you growing daddy ear hair. Yeah. You're not even forty but your dad, and that's what happens and then later that day, I cleaned out your ear hair for you in the kitchen. That's love you love me. Like, Chris rock says new pussies not gonna clean out your fucking ear hair. These uses that exists. He does he says new pussy. He says nucleus your hair air. But you're nasty. You got your hair and nose hair? I know I know I know, and here's the other thing new pussy doesn't like it. They're like, oh, yeah. We're always like, your your hair. 'cause you do you think you could fuck fucking trim your ear here before I board the bang bus. And I'm like, yeah. Hold on a second. Can't even care anymore. How many times a day? Do you think I say are you even listening to me on your iphone yet listening to me? Yeah. I'm here. I can hear you can hear you fine. Your hair? Fuck, you know, the funny thing is somebody mentioned to you. You have like crazy ear hair you immediately. Can't stop thinking about it. I know you can't you can't pull it out. Really? Like, you're just like, wait. There's hair growing out of my ears such dad about it. What are you listening to me? Yes. I'm listening to you. Constant. It's like having a teenager. And I kept I pulled it a little so you could feel it was. Yeah, I know. But then you still couldn't get it on your own visited here and you kept like digging in the trimmer. Get with the program to add. Yeah. Yeah. I know. And then I asked you to give me head scratchy last night. Do you love had scratches? That's our currency it. But here's the thing. Okay. Some people will understand this. And then some people, I guess, but so for those that don't know she loves like head-scratching. So what happens is you need like if you're laying in bed, you need it to be wear your hand naturally lays. Let's so buddy. No. That doesn't only way. He'll give me scratchy is if you if you you're like, yeah. Yeah. As long as your head is right here. That's a reasonable thing to right here. But yeah, you can't like band your arm. Okay. That's what elbows four. No. This is not comfortable to sit there and scratch like this. So I just like, hey, could you be here? So you were here. All I did was just your head. No. Yeah. I was I guess leave your scratchy, and then you go you push my head like like you push one of the dogs like bristles girl foreign host this. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know you were here. I just went like this dog. I was one of the dog. And then you've got continued head-scratching not for long. They were very poor quality. Oh, okay. They were scratches. I mean, you're talking shit about the scratches you're getting they weren't very good. You gave up and you think I fall asleep? When I don't notice on the bang bus. Everybody is appreciative. All right. Don't give head scratchers to those sluts. They don't guess graduates was a wife move they but scratches as soon as they. As soon as they mentioned has scratches. We opened the bus where we just throwing place her head out here out here. Lot, lizard takeout. Yup. So we've been getting into you know, we're where we finished dirtyjohn. And you're watching was I show called now on that. Flicks. Borrowed you you fucking love that ain't now. But I haven't got any rip through it. I'm done. Okay. So I need to start watching that. So what we did is we found season one of ninety Viansa. Yeah. Which was a great move. I gotta say, you know, we get into these shows had been on for a while. And I'm like, I don't wanna watch the old season realize why you're on this new season because the seasons. Good. Yeah. Fantastic. Create shell. Now, the problem with early episodes of ninety day fiance is that they actually find intrinsically good girls. They have more stability. They found like nice girls at actually love these guys. Yeah. It's really weird. I don't like that. So there's this fucking dork who's from out here. They're all doing. He's like he's a Mormon. Fucking smoke show. That would definitely make Josh calm. And he's just like, well, he's a fucking thirty. He's like, I'm Mormon and I'm gonna wait till marriage. So he has his dork friend come over chaperone them. And he's like you lay here and make sure I don't go crazy and fucker. Spends the night with his friend narrative arts living room, and she's like a twenty year old girl from Brazil from like a tiny Favila like shit dog talented. She's never even had running water and her house. And so he has no show her, you know. Okay. Thank you teenager. No. She's not. She's like one nineteen. She's sick. I've never seen running what two before. And he's like this is the hot water Bill to spin on a knob. Okay. She's eighty pounds. Exactly two tiny little Phillips like a Chihuahua. I mean Heine little if Josh couldn't come with her. Then then nobody can kinda. No, no anyways. Yeah. This dork had his fucking nerd friend. Why why are you bringing these over here? If you're not banging them. And then not or nerve though, it'd be like the pay toll. You know? That's the toll that the price you pay for bringing over the our hands is gonna fuck so much right now. Yeah. And then then there's another door that girl now. She's fuck gorgeous. She comes over. She's like, I'm ready to pay the price. She was like I didn't come calming the morning, come shake and then for lunch. I have come on my chick. And then you come over my face coming my hair. He's made a comment, and then I get this ship, right? Sweetie. Whatever you up she's like she actually really more than he does. She's in him and he lives in Oklahoma with his mommy, and daddy, which is insane. He's twenty seven years old. I'm like, bro. You brought this chick over go. Invest and rent an apartment in Oklahoma where I'm sure you can get an apartment for ten dollars a month, or whatever the cost of living is there's another this is I think we just saw fucking solve the Josh dilemma was that for Potter. Yeah. To be on one of these sites and bring over a fucking dog a foreign dog who idea who's like, I want the mannequin life. Yes. Like, I need to come and then exchange setup. Well that is the exchange. It's I wanna American life. Will I need to come peanut butter and chocolate Guel together. Sure. Keo man. You fuck a lot. I let you sit. Exactly. And here's the best part is that you don't have to be wealthy. You just need to have an apartment and a mattress on the floor like an air mattress. These chicks refine their totally fine there like it has Aaron it. Yeah. They really impressed especially some of these real third-worlders, the Philippines, like those chicks are just happy to have a roof over their head this Brazilian chicks. Now, the Russians are a little more high flute. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, she's a she's obviously a spy, but she she she kind of eyeballs things. She also does the slow play him. She's like we're not gonna fuck right away right now. She's my yeah. Yeah. No, wait a minute. Yeah. But I think a lot of those season one. Couples are still together. I think you're right because they pick nice girls they figured it out figure it out as the seasons progress. We gotta get some fucking psycho. Pick some real users. Love. Love show now. And so what's even crazier is that? My my so bearing I found a picture of my dad's recent wedding. Yeah. To his ninety day fans wild. And let me tell you like my dad's literally living this show. Yeah. And I haven't I haven't met her. I'm not talking currently to my dad for few reasons won't get into on the show. But I saw a picture of my new mom, and we think she's just pretty she's rail young in her thirties and they're wearing like VOC's traditional wedding. But the cool thing is my dad went comfy 'cause he's wearing his good sneakers. So the wedding. It's. Paying that whole. Right. So how definitely thinking she's she's paying the combat all just hold. That's exactly what it has to be right. Because he's probably like I want somebody to cook and clean. But also somebody I can fuck and she's like great. I don't like Vietnam. Sounds good to me. I like to live in the valley number two if you're out there. Hey. You can you could get an American. You don't need those are nerds, dude. Okay. The ninety eight beyond say, they're all fucking dorks. You're a celebrity. You know what I'm saying? Right. Some American pig. Okay. What do you think she would be like, what do you think? Seriously. Well, if I was. If I was on number two. What would it be like, we think she would telling you? I definitely not a foreign girl. No. Because you're too like you are American you like American. Yeah. Yeah. He liked blondes. But she'd have to be real dumb. I'm telling you like e won't dalmatian. Why the fuck do? I knew the first wife is always like the real life. And then the second wife is like the no static wife like all she wants to do is like yoga all day. And she's like, I am into gluten free diet, and she talks about or whatever. And then east rob on our conversations. She's I I've tried to get Todd to lose weight eating way too, much dairy. All she does. Yeah. She's like a yoga instructor or cool. That's all she does who will tolerate our children on man. No, no. Tolerate kids. She's not doesn't wanna kid, right? Might be at mom. No. No, no. My second wife. They always want kids. That's the problem with the second way. What about Mike? That's the that's the so here's the problem with my new Vietnam to that. She's probably young mom. Yeah. Mom is great. Yeah. But she definitely because I think she's still Breyer's my Vietnam. Yeah. Yeah. She's definitely wanting kids, and he's gotta be he's seventy two. So that's not even ethical, right? Like, you can't ethical fifth grade your dad's eighty. Doesn't hold back. It doesn't hold some people back, but it's not cool high school graduation all my God. Your great great Granddad came. Yeah. But the second wife is always she always wants kids. So you have to do it again. Look at Baldwin. He's on. He's the final words four. Yeah. He's sixty. He's got a new family. Won't know him. Very well. What about my second husband was talk about it? What is what what do you think would be the second husband? If you're the woman second husband down. I'm just thinking about my new mom, I can just imagine whole night. Casey, my dad, though, 'cause he's such a savage like, I think that's why he likes like foreign checks because American women would be like go fuck yourself. Oh, no. They would not you're right. Like, I've heard him complained to his American girlfriend one time that he did have what he was like, you know, you working too much land on to bring me a plate of salami or beer something. I'm fucking hungry for me clean up the house. And she was like what like American women had their heads explode says some crazy shit to them. But like Vietnam is probably like. Too much question phone, but she say silverbacks sourly you like more. The. Yeah. Did they they only do nails me? They don't do massage. Right. I don't know that. That's. Gets freeman. He pettis. It's possible. I don't know. I don't know what my. So yeah, he's probably he's probably having a good time. Yeah. Dude, you could have. I mean, if your dad had interest in them, you could have had a Vietnam to like you could have been. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You don't think he ever had some Vietnamese ladies during the war? He said, no, I I mean, it's like after he's like, I mean, he convincingly said, no. And you know, what he'd be the kind of just come out say. I mean, he told me all about who fucked on our in our one time. Yeah. Yeah. Like when they have like a break. Yeah. We went to Australia got start with the hottest chicken the room the Qatar. And then we just God. We've really join ourselves so grows week like all right? Well, you are big tits. Oh, my full Bush. Oh, yeah. Kept on me. I was like cool, man. Yeah. You kept talking about getting the dog. So gross. You're talking about how my new mom makes my dad like how 'cause my dad's still sexually active. That's the thing is like if he's seventy two. Yeah. He's years. A thing. How that's sweet Vietnamese lady. It's not as easy as hey. I'm ready to do it. She's got to go to work right aid to get that thing ready to perform and to make it finish. It doesn't work the same way at seventy two my sixteen sixteen you feel a breeze. Okay. Yeah. At seventy two she's got she's got put his legs back day changes died. I like the scrum. Oh, you gotta spend twenty minutes there. Then he's like, oh, it's up now. Yeah. It's not thinking about my dad's Boehner's. Oh, yeah. Rose, and he just bus inner and honor. And here's the deal, man. Like, I think about it. What he really wants is a housekeeper and cook. Yeah. And you could buy one of those kind of did. Well, that's saying like, but the the extra is that he can bus nuts and his housekeeper like, that's basically all this is like you probably could've just found some nice lady, local, right? Who cook and clean for you nuts too? Maybe this is real love and were being rude about it. You don't know. She's like ten years younger than me. Dude. Perfect. You didn't give you want to be with a seventy two year old guy. Absolute thirty something year old fucking on your thirty close your eyes and go back thirty. Yep. Yep. Yep. It wasn't your perfect guy like seven. Let me think about it. No nice. Forty year age Garth riotous. Skin, all wrinkly like, oh, just few more years in like to have it. Yup. So crazy, she's probably about her next marriage. Oh, yeah. Definitely. I mean, that's gotta be the plan. Right. She's thinking how long do I have to ride this out? I mean, how many more years really, then she's still will be, you know, relatively young. And usually reach out. Do you think our children need to know? All this. Sure anything they want to be a part of the could you imagine having her over an acting like any of this is remotely normal. Because that's the next died. That is the reach out. Unfortunately, if I were him over, and she was like, marry your son. Oh, Ellis or Jillian promise. Like royalty turn fifteen hundred. Yeah. She becomes the family suck puppet. Oh my God. Generational pig. Got me on that one. Wasn't expecting that. I can't even imagine. The the bullshit. I'd have to go through like pretending that this is remotely. Okay. Be fucked a lot. Hi, what's your name? What's even what are their names? Like Vietnamese named Twee. I don't know. We I don't even know like what are they the nail salon. They always go by like Judy or, you know, tracing your name's not fucking, Tracy. I've got a lot of people are last twin. So that's the Smith of yet nam, right? I'll be like a, hey, I think she I mean, you don't know. She could be lovely. No. I know it's she could be totally. Yeah. It's absurd. Like, I just like nobody my family's normal. Like now, one not one of the one that is normal moved away, the one I liked have it, and I'm stuck with all these fucking crazy people, man. I know, dammit. Now, we're we're gonna see that wedding video. I gotta go to my therapy. I gotta go three times this week triple up. Yep. Yeah. 'cause I remember when we saw therapy this week. We're Dr drew saw that picture the pictures. Really what personally? Yeah. Trying to tell the scope. I turned into a telescope when you see my dad's winning photo fucking crazy really as some else guys. Yeah. It's still spinning from Alan. There was it was really something. So he's got the come on on or whatever the fuck that shit is no one thing that all that shit sneakers. Komo fucking Vietnamese like wedding garb Komono shown on the fuck. It's called. And then she's wearing it. And these wearing his white Asmi Chris to like Likud, you all your good sneakers. That's that's what older people though, they don't give a fuck. Yeah. Yeah. It's always about foot comfort though. That's how I am. Now respected those shoes. Don't don't feel good. I respect it. So Oscars were few. We took a peek at was who fucking can Bradley Cooper and lady Kaka may did a song together. That's their their big hit song. And they looked at each other. Just like they were in the movie they've been performing the song a bit. But and they look at each other with like, I'm gonna fuck. You is right as they perform the song, Bradley Cooper's baby mamas like in the frontal disrespect, it's performance. But the way the these two oh my God. They really hearing on like, it's they get intense men. I now can I tell you something too. I would rather go to my dad's wedding with my new Vietnamese mom than watched them. Sing the song together. It's on car. See this movie, this whole fucking nonsense movie of them, singing and stuff. I can't think of anything worse. Well, they they really really preparing intent, I know, and I tried watching the clip, and I realized the movie that I hate slow song. I hate slow songs to. No, I would never watch it. That's what I I would rather go to Vietnam and go to my dad's wedding than watch the fuck and movie. It's so terrible. The what's it called the? That ninety Viansa. Yeah, they do this thing where like whenever the couples do have a loving moment. They start playing light. And. Feel your lane. I kinda music guitar strums. And it's like this low montage of them. I hate that. I hate it. So and I didn't realize how much hated it until I tried watching this clip that everybody was talking about between lady Gaga. Copper cocker Cooper got. And I couldn't even get through the music. I'm like, oh, I hate the emotion. I hate the only song ever liked that was slow was the Whitney Houston, the greatest love of all those great. I like a lot of Whitney stuff dignity. Carr's. The I don't like watching a lot of those kinds of performances now, I don't like watching that since. And I don't like those songs. I don't like. Yeah. I don't like it leave a restaurant or as a store. Yeah. The stars play music. Like that me the fuck out. But but going back to your point of them being very intensely sexual. Oh that was me and the audience and you're Bradley Cooper. I'd go rip that bitches necklace off really fucking choker out. Let it rip that stupid offer. Head will the that's a perfect lead. In got me thinking about what about mean, we work in this business? What about me doing a love scene? Now. Would you just not ever watch it? I would never watch it. I don't ever wanna see you kissing somebody else or making pretends. That's where we're different kisses and licks. Are you kidding me? If you if you had a love scene, I would go in there with lube into. Let's see what's up and just get to Jack in right away the guy. Yeah. So nasty time if you're like, no, it's a train seen or six guys. Like, even better. I've just booked a small part in a movie I now. Congratulations shoots copen. It's not romantic. It's first of all, I didn't know this. But Hollywood sees me as a love man as a leading love, man. That's not sure they they see me. And they're like this who America wants to see making love to women on camera. And so it's a very romantic part. It's called I play this guy. I think it's Jake the hammer. And he just he hammers girls. Okay. What's the part for real? Can you say are you allowed to say? Like, you say, I'm a tech guy. Are you an asshole in it? Yeah. That's your type. Thank you, married. You hear a lovable aide whole? Yeah. But there's a love seeing not is a shower. Love saying stop it. The tech guy doesn't ever get a shower lows. Yes. He does in this one. Oh, stop it. Yeah. But we don't know. So would you really don't watch it? Now, I couldn't be able to. I wouldn't be able to would you be able to watch me. I would watch it because I know you don't watch it. Because you'll be like do not watch it. I'm I'm gonna go watch her feel would you feel anything you think? What do you mean? Jealousy of what? Hey, even listening to me. Yeah. Never listen. I am listening. If I was Frenching, Bradley Cooper and a movie, and we're effing and stuff. You wouldn't feel any sort of way about it? Of course. I would feel certainly about it be like, oh, she doesn't usually me like that. You got so much tone. Then if you're like a now, I know put your legs behind your else. Well movie. No, no woman wants to do that day. Anybody who would do that to Bradley now, Bradley Cooper to Ryan Gosling? I would do it too. I like, Jay Jalen hall. He's are new additions. We're we're gonna book him. Our not happy. Now, you fucking stupid woman dumbbell. Stupid fucking bitch. I jake. I like Ryan Gosling. I would put in. I would do the dog. And she scrum. Jesus christ. See I could see Gosling being like, I don't I don't he's watching. He'd be like, I don't wanna do that to you. But I could see Jalen hall just like eat it and then hold your head back there. And you're like, I can't breathe like shut up. And then I don't think. So I think he's really sweet nun think he's a really I don't think. So I think he's a savage. I think he would step on your neck put your head in the trash. Yeah. And I gotta tell you. I'm getting worked up thinking. K, but I'm not a super jealous type. Anyway, you're not here, very mellow. But I also feel like, you know, you you make me feel that way. I make you feel safe. Yeah. It try. I'm not saying I don't like to wind people up like that. I think that's cruel to play games of people. I don't like that should together like fifteen years now. So you're saying you're you're gonna stay married to me a for at least twenty nineteen. I'm never letting you divorced or never divorcing. Yeah. I'm never gonna let you fucking. Some stupid slide around my kids away, you take your bang bus. You come back when you get out of your system. Nope. Oh man now, I guess what? We're coming on the bang bus with you. Oh kids and the whole game. No way to come to see on the road. Daddy. Yeah. Shrink that Weiner. Oh my God. Right now, there's just like these bowls with condoms in every. Stop to wherever you are. You can please you're grabbing me anyways, guys I wanted to bring everybody's attention. Thank you, everybody who tweeted out to Kelly deal of the breeders, you guys are mazing. And I haven't update big Wia mates. Exclusive? We've been damning each other back and forth on Twitter and the currently the breeders don't have any dates for LA yet. But of -ly when they do we hopefully will get them in. So we're we're in communications right now. So thank you guys for a happen. Which is very exciting. I've got a really awesome thing to play for you. So far Simpson. Of course, I know farts, DJ skull vomit. He. Wow. They show always lows us away. So a few weeks ago? We introduced you to hard rock, Nick. Good looking rich guys right with his touched. Yeah. He's he's got a lot going on. I like pink pussies. Okay. So. He he really opened our eyes to how cool he was definitely chairman of the cool guy clubs. Yeah. Founding member founder and member. So he he he blew us away. The cool the coolest guy we've ever seen and. Fart. Does these heart psalms mazing prank calls, but he did one with hard rock, Nick? Oh, you're kidding. It's really great. I can't wait. So without further ado, here is the fart Simpson. Prank phone call with hard rock, Nick. This is hard rock neck. All hard rock, Nick. Okay. Hard rock, Nick. How are you? What's up? I don't know you call me. What's the tired of everybody else on TV and in the movies and on sports? Okay. I'm here for you. And I'm gonna run with you until we can't run anymore. Okay. In light me. I'm the best looking man on the planet. Nope. Bullshit. I'm kidding. That's what's up. I'm the real deal. So you're calling your real deal. I'm worth three hundred fifty million. I'm fucking millionaire seventy five times over. Okay. I've never been acting school. Okay. I didn't ask to be famous person. Okay. We'll fill out of my that is assault in the game. No. I got a big did. Wonderful. You think that's fake absolutely one hundred percent? I don't know who you are. You're not anything to make bitch. I'm a rich guy. I'm gonna be good. No matter what. Okay. Well, I don't believe in all this shit, you'd be reading on the internet. And I don't think I can do anything free. There's listen you fucking asshole pieces. Little dick insecure mother fucking cut. Nice promise. The sexy. Sounds good. You want me? No. I don't want you to promise to keep a gangster. Okay. Really well done. Actually, just sounds like regular hard rock, Nicole. Sounds like a prank call at all that really does have calls like that guy that answers like. In a weird way. Feels like he's handled calls like that before like what? Like what it's funny now. Let me address that too. Because some more retarded shit. I'm gonna get. Us. Man. No, nothing. Oh, we're good. We're good. We're good house. Pretty funny genes that guy is really something special. Yeah. He really is super special. Gene, you're in Oklahoma. Oh. Yeah. It wasn't. I've been pronouncing the town wrong forever. It's Siloam springs. I've been saying Silla Wim for like months solemn. My day fantastic show. I wanna think everybody that came out to the Cherokee casino. I mean, people came from everywhere Fayetteville Bentonville surrounding areas. Wonderful. But the actual town of Siloam is like they had McDonald's they had a Donut shop, and then a a grocery store that was it. And they're like, well, this is the center of the city, my driver and everybody was really great except for one the guy that pick me up the airport. He was so are worded. Hey, so I shall how do I say it touched, dude. He showed up a half hour late. Okay. And there's no traffic. There's no traffic. So I call him when I notice he's a little bit late. And and I was like where are you dude? And he's like Wim 'bout ten minutes away. And I'm like cool. Just text me when you arrive and then click hang up. Twenty minutes go by and I'm like where is this guy? And I call him and I'm like, hey, dude, worry out what's rate ta and he goes are you in the baggage claim? And like, yeah. Where are you? He goes hold on. I'm going to come in side. I'm like, wait. You're here. And then he comes in. And he's like how you doing? How's your day? And I'm like, I goes great. I will I will give a five AM flew across the country. And then I got to spend a half hour in this cool airport. So I just wanna thank you. And he's like. He goes away. I can tell you being sarcastic. Got that. He picked on that. He goes your band sarcastic now. And I was like, yeah. And I go, bro. How the show is going to go. I know I was kinda worried. I'm like, this is indicative of everybody. And so we get in the car in an eye goes. Hey, so I told you to text me like when you got here. How long have you been s- parked out here? And he goes up in here for about ten minutes. And I go I told you to call me if I hadn't called you. What would you have done? And he goes out have kept weigh in. Like, oh, thanks, man. This weird. And that. Yeah, I was so like what dude? So. Yeah, that was the only weird thing. So weird. That's kind of weird complete completely retarded. Yeah. That was interesting. Everybody else super nice. They do do everything slower in that part of the country, though, you know, so fun time I had to get myself a lot longer, you know, 'cause they just don't there's like LA we have a sense of urgency for shit same with New York. But not folks man, you gotta you gotta be on Oklahoma time. Yeah. Arkansas time. Hey, why don't we take a quick moment of break here? And we'll be right back and we are back with the stars of corporate on comedy central season. Two airs Tuesdays at ten thirty pm, Jake, Weisman, Matt enga breath. Hey, this is what you are racist forgetting. Wow. Wow. Gem nor to north one tank Brenton. Yeah, biking Vance you tell. Got a feel good to be that tall. I saw it. It does feel good. And it just to say, I'm Jewish. So there's the room, and we'll talk about it as much as does this work. Thank you. And SM relationship. Yeah. But I'm learned this writes me off tax wise that you sure. Show biz. That's massive you need a Jew in your corner. Trust me, I know golden. Yeah. Yeah. Feel bad. But everyone want me we work with them Lieberman. Yeah. Just congratulations tier one stop. Yeah. My name is Jacob Aaron Gladstone Weisman. I would have been hunted down in Germany. I know you're definitely dead. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not even gonna make you a guard. We're just going to fucking kill you as you're so Jewish read his seat terrible. No so season two. Congratulations on that. You guys on the miracle of getting a show on the air. It's article. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I mean, I just another friend of mine just got green lit to make a feature. And I was like how it's amazing that. Yeah. Ever heard just like, of course, we don't get to make it. Yeah. It's weird. Like, so many people we know have made livings for twenty years by selling things that they know will never get made. And it's just going to write it in my room and Aric and writer from anywhere. It's weird to make that way. Did it? We did it almost feel like it's this weird thing where because we got to make it. So so early into our careers or like within the first decade. It's like we're never going to get to do it again like setting us up like now, this is just your are you enjoying it fun. It's like it's beyond a dream because you get to like, write and direct and cast and produce it. It's like why are you letting us do that? Like, it doesn't really make any sense giant playground that caused a ton of money. And we're and we're responsible to make sure that money is done that thing yet where you go. What if we did this? And then they go like that would be like fifty thousand just for that shine. Yeah. So we actually yes, we have. Yeah. We what's what's interesting when you like right and make the show is like when you're writing. So you're like, oh, it'd be so funny if we like went to the desert, and blah, blah, blah, and then like cut to three months later, we gotta go to the fucking desert in the ass. That's like a weird find that a lot with like Matt there's a lot in the show of Matt just getting hit. And so we don't realize you're gonna have to get hit like thirty times. If you write it in. Dan, gold Salman, and you have to be or if you write that you're going to be in your underwear like you're going to be your fucking underwear naked. You don't think about it because you have to just do the funniest possible thing. But it was kind of God, we have perfect bodies and lacrosse. Now, did you guys come from a sketch background like, yeah, we do. It was sketch because we've been doing Santa for like a decade or whatever in L A and just trying to as much as possible, and then we were simultaneously video sketch. So it wasn't like live sketch. It was like making short films act this almost no air. Yes. It's honestly, I reckon. It's kind of what you almost have to do like you guys. I don't know if you make video sketches, but you do a lot of stand up. I think most people coming out now pretty much have to do like, it's it's what a comedian is way different than it was twenty years ago. I think and you have to kind of know how to write direct edit like cast act all that stuff. Just to get a chance to make your own thing. Stand up Adam Devine came from that doing those YouTube does. And then now look because it used to be like it used to almost be like you did stand up. See he had a show. And now, it's almost like you make many shows online. So you can go tore stand up. Yeah. And it's it's weird. And it's it's just changing all the time. Yeah. Luckily, you guys are doing great. Like, you knew that this is kind of our sketch show in a way, but you need this people to come see that totally different kind of thing. He's it self. It's a weird. It's weird being a comedian. Yeah. It's very odd scrape. But I, but I like I like you guys saying this because somebody listening like I just worked with a fifth year comic. And she was like, my parents don't support me and my decision like first of all don't ever expect support from fuck that you shouldn't or you. It's a stupid thing, you're probably not gonna make. And Secondly, I want I was like you don't think at some point. I was five your comic. And I was sitting in your exact shoes and somebody watching you guys today. They're like I could never make a TV show. Yeah. You can't. You know? What's funny is that there's there's this huge myth that things can't get made. But you know networks need you more than you need them. They need you. We go on a lot of meetings. And they're like, we need something. Good, please. Just give us something. Good like, we're just desk. Please just say the thing. So we can say, yes. And if you just I would say one of the most important things right now is learn how to edit learn how to just even shoot an edit and and make things all the time. And it takes a few years to get really good. And you're you're going to be so happy. Learn how to do it before. You're too old to be annoyed at doing. And then learn how to do it. And makes you really never know what can happen that being said, I do my stock advice for people who are like should I get into this? It's like, no. Because if they if I talk them out of it good, then they've like have a shot at a normal life. Right. But if they're like fuck you wanna do it? Anyway, then I've like inspired them. Yeah. And actually only the people who go like, Nah, I am fucking doing it or should be the ones. Yeah. That's exactly right. So you should always say. Don't get into this, of course. Because people always I get hit up there. Like, you know, I got I got like an hour material. And I'm like, yeah. Done it yet. And I'm like, yeah. Okay. And then like, I just have it. You know, what should I do? Now. I'm like, I don't know man, like go do your our. And and then, you know, the I mean, the answer's always the same to just like we'll just get on states like figure it out. Yeah. It's almost like it's very interesting. It's like it really is the type of person that does it is not someone who asked too many questions. A few questions because it is a little scary. I or if you like five questions, and it's like go figure it out. We all figured it out. No one really has any answers actually, almost because someone has done it a certain way almost means. You have to do it a different one. Yes. You almost have to go blackout per five and then pop out and hope you've learned a few things. Sometimes I feel like. Like some of the things that feel like a long time ago. I'll stop like shit like five years ago young night. It feels like it was top talk about like my teenage years or something. Yeah. It's not that long ago. Right. Twelve five years ago. Legal for you to have two kids. I know think makes this personality that we all have to be in this business and persist, even though you're told now constantly and on this thing about not asking questions like I was a latchkey kids. There was nobody to ask like you. Just fuck and figure it out you have to be so resilient and self sufficient you have to be a maniac. Go live in poverty. Live core. You have a terrible life comfortable to want to fight your way out of it. Now what happens sometimes some people then just do heroin? Instead if you don't do heroin you'll eventually making it. Yeah. So you were saying you're considering antidepressants because I mean, I feel like a large part of why been able to like make a living at least for the past four or five years. Finally, as a comedian is because I was so unhappy like I just feel like I'm so unhappy, and I think the world is so bad, and I want so badly to have a good time. So I'm miserable. Like well. If I just go do five open mics tonight, and then make a sketch to and don't sleep and drink coffee in med than eventually it can fight my way out. But now, I haven't fought my way out. I'm just making a good living right now. And I'm like, oh, I'm still unhappy. The problem is me. So I feel like I just, but it's like, I think there's a large part of if you're a comedian you see things in a critical way a lot of times, and I'm not just purely silly onstage or like purely silly what I'm saying. So it's like things critically, and you sort of get trapped into thinking that will that's your income. So you don't wanna fuck with that? You know what I mean? I want I want to look at things the same way. So it's consistent. But it's like, but I'm but I'm not happy when it. Goes. Well, like when it goes. Well, I'm like, well, whatever it doesn't matter. I trick them. So I just I just want to enjoy stock. You're so messed up. Yeah. The same fucked up. Well, it's because the it's the discipline because here's a here's a deal like you'll get even successfully you get you get your everything you wanted. And then you still are piece of shit. Yeah. You know, you're so it's like, yeah. Dark. So I would love to just be able to eat food. Enjoy it and be like, wow. My night was made good good. Delicious. Someone said they love me. And it was nice the funniest thing. I've experts what you guys experienced. I think another level of is like doing a show I've done a couple of shows in front of like thousands of people like that moment is so wild. It's such a rush. But then cut to one hour later. I'm like, I'm missing a toilet alone. What was that? You know? Yeah. It's a bizarre. Is that all there is? That's the you know that songs that Alder is. I remember is all there is my friends. Let's keep dancing. It's like his dollar. Is you make it, and you still feel fucking empty your parents don't like you, and you know, into their parents like me. Your in love ages. I'm great with parents. Have mine. I love meeting my girlfriend's parents. Really why? 'cause I'm fucking UI charming tall, white solid. Looking man. Good job. Like, hi, I'm competent, man. I'm on TV. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. Really nice job with this one. That'd be a big, man. Are you in therapy, though, going back in okay? Gotta get those goods Toobin because I feel like I had enough comedian friends who were like, no. You don't understand dude? I feel pretty good right now. I've seen it. Definitely changed a couple. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Don't hesitate. There's no reason excited for the side effects, whatever they're going to be game. Like a hundred pounds. I can't fuck anymore or start sweating whenever the TV changes. The channel whatever it is cited for that writing about it. Exactly transfer season. Three percent. I actually thought about that season three. It's like maybe gone anti-depressants than do an episode about that, and they'll pay itself there you go. A lot of people are on them. So perfect. You should put good. I I'm glad they're right before right before the guy we were talking about your your dad. Oh, my fuck. So my dad, I'll just tell telling how we found the picture. I was on. I was on social media and a relative posted a wedding picture of my dad in Vietnam with his new wife, and they're in like the full Vietnamese regalia like the wedding regalia, but he's still wearing white sneakers. Which is nice. This is how you found out. No. I knew I knew that they were engaged a while back and think they probably got married here. But I think this is the foreign ceremony views also like ten years younger than me. So like, I have seven new, mommy. Tiny little money. So yeah, it's fucking. My parents are garbage describes. Era sponsor. Yeah. My dad's been married and divorced three times. And still has no idea that he is the problem. You know, what I mean like has no idea women are just annoying. I mean, dude, it's wearily. Wearily? It's like three times like and you're like, yeah. He to mazing, isn't it? He he was dating a woman who. Who didn't want to sleep with them? But he proposed to her. So she would essentially be as nurse, and it was like it was like for this would have been as she's like, no, what are you talking about? I don't wanna I wanna fuck can be. You're just be your friend. Leave me alone. Yeah. I know I know at my dad's doing it's I want you to cook and clean and be able to fuck you. So it's like perfect now. Cool. My kind of is a range until you what scare them. My dad is eighty five an old dad. I have two older sisters who are in their sixties. What that's crazy. So I was the third marriage. And I was the only so he he's the he tells me all old sperm. Yeah. I'm what I could have been. Yeah. Yeah. I could have been a serial killer that kind of energy happy. But. Empathy? I would have been so happy love serial killers be to your ear. Ted Bundy got a bad rap on this last show. I mean, you know. Wrong. So he's really. Yeah. He really is. So good at it. He's really bumps. We're never gonna see anyone like that again because of forensics DNA. Now never gonna put up bodies, maybe Garth Brooks. But. Put away. What are we going? Body, Chris Gaines, alter ego was just just a fucking straight up murder the dark hair, it's like stopping moody country. Well, here's how they're going to do enough to be a high profile celebrity like Garth Brooks. Or like R Kelly he got away with shit for on time. Right. After three days in jail. You know, where it's weird. You know, it's weird about what what I truly don't relate to people like that. It's like he's been doing bad stuff for so long. He doesn't he doesn't seem to be stressed about who. What are Kelly? Yeah. That's amazing. Now what I'm actually thinking about is something I said to someone at a party two years ago. You know what I mean? And I'm stressed out about it. I'm like fuck. But he just is like, no, I'm just going to do horrible things. I'm not gonna worry mind. Yeah. Hope for a new Space Jam and right that sound track to any. And it's like, how do you not stress about share? They'd Cosby same thing. He'd come out of court doing impression. Out of court. He walked out of the court when he got convicted so their walkout you've been convicted going to be sending he goes like. They're like, hey. I feel good right now. We need to figure out more specific punishment for these people agree jail, prisons, not I turned even when he was walking out. He was like Bill Cosby. The it's Kelly tape of I'm famous I shouldn't have to repent for any crimes. I be exam. So fixated on the fact that he has sold definitely over thirty million albums, and he definitely has toward for twenty five years. Yeah. So many hits thing. I mean, just like so much income generated and they're like post one hundred thousand dollars bond jail. He's like, I know I know live like that just like being like I'll it'll get figured out is so stressful. I'm so stressed. I just went over my pets. I just went over my taxes, which are just fine not a ton of money. And I was like I'm going to jail. You know, what I mean like reporting accurately, I'm gonna miss one thing. And I'm going to go to jail do horrible things for two decades. I got women in dungeon in my house. And that's the other thing I relate to those are those off exercise. So that's good for the others. Just so like they've so much energy to keep being bad. You know, not even tired, and he's like, he's not tired. That's how we feel about people that have these pro click sexual proclivities that are very involved like people that are into punk play jerk off go to sleep. I should meet other people. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You got to be there Saturday at one like that. You have to buy a harness and what if I take antidepressants and all of a sudden, I only can come while being fucked while wearing a diaper. I'm really what am I friends is happier than ever? He's like, but I have zero sensitivity. Yeah. He's like, I can't feel anything. Like, that's what I. Yeah. But I guess he doesn't care. Well, are you sexually active right now being depressed fucks? I fuck. But I I don't think I do it well anymore. I don't really care how it ends. So what a lot. You know what I mean? Like, you are ready not it'll be bad for my girl for movie without a third act. Like a part of the. Do you have trouble finishing though? Yes. But that's all hoping actually I can this is kinda fucked up story back not talking about better. The real reason I have fucked up. I have trouble physics that you're not that was this is a bad story by Inc. College. This is real. And I'm not saying women do this overall. I'm just saying this happened to me, I'm very sensitive. I in the south. Nashville Tennessee, and we'll just go band Erbil, and I shouldn't have rain. All right. He's thank you Jews. Biggest head. They let us intelligence English major. But anyway, I I would Christian women for the first time because I was like that lively ju that they could you know, experience was dating ju- Schick says it was a little dangerous actually have a cat named Shikha. But anyway, fucking goes, I loved it. I mean, it was I mean, it really is like a Jewish. Because it because and this is horrible. But it just sort of feels like you're like they're going against Christ. Fuck you compliment, they're risking. Yeah. But I mean, they don't think about that. And you know, what I mean, it just feels like they're making they're sending to and it's like a huge compliment. But anyway, I dated someone who was very like very Christian, and it was very interesting at first opposites attract. But then I I caught her cheating on me with a guy who wore a hemp necklace of the pope to his job at Starbucks handy. So specific while we were it was so specific Danny thought the world was gonna end. It was crazy. He was crazy. But anyway, caught them I accidentally saw an Email that confirmed it, but it was then she admitted to it. But what was interesting was then we I like, I would like take valium and get blackout drunk because I was so first time I've ever cheated on. It's har-, it's horrible. Like the world is bad. That's mad before you even understand Sex's confusing, whatever. But at that point, I was like my world was shattered. And we we she then went off birth control. Snuck into my room woke me up we had sex one night, which is essentially. A version of salt. Hello. Yeah. She also had gotten over control to try and get pregnant for several weeks. This actually helpful for ma'am. Sorry. Sorry. But for several weeks, she was like, I think I'm pregnant I think should try to keep me. Oh my God. And because she wanted to me, and then she wasn't pregnant and I never had but I have not been able to finish doing sex since then. Hord except very few times in my life. But it's been a nightmare. So it is a little tragic, and it's been fifteen years. But at least I don't have any kids. I don't want yet. You gotta talk to John. He works here. Comic hilarious, dude. And he can't finish. It's hard mandate. A lot of work. It sounds like yours is trauma related you're so traumatized that you can work out with shrink. I think I need to go to one of those sex therapists, Helen hunt played have sex now covers like, obviously, your girlfriend would know this story, right? You told the stole I'm told her. And then he knows nothing does she try try to never have sex with girl. Crazy dry though to be like, let's let's try to make it happen. Many girlfriends of tried. It's just very frustrating because you're like, you just you feel humiliated, you know, but it's not like you. Also, don't want your girlfriend think it's her fall. Yeah. You do. Here. Josh fewer hotter. It is a weird sort of thing where it's like it's kind of. Yeah. It's just confusing. I don't exactly know what to do that. Like, I don't even I don't even really know how to deal with it. 'cause it's like I've slept with so many people like it because also when you go through sexual trauma. You can go different ways, you could either never have sex more you can have sex with everyone. Right. And and disassociate any feelings from it. So I've kind of gone that path in my life. I mean, I've also had girlfriends, but like just lost my mind with it. But it doesn't really it's all just to avoid feeling. So. Fascinating. The opposite problem. My dick is always rock hard. And I can't stop coming. Yeah. Coming right now diaper. One of our problem. I know what we're going to does he want to chime in on us. Show us his dick. Josh, Josh, John. You could maybe Josh relate to what's going on. Here may bleeding the war. Oh, man. I mean is it does it feel good though to hear a? Yeah. And you nailed it to like how you can either. Just fuck nothing for a while. And that's no good or you can just fuck everything. And then that's pretty cool. But it's like it's not though, it's not you're right. Become dead behind the just not. It's just a it's like, what am I you end up in just so many places where you're like, why am I here? This is dangerous. I shouldn't be in. We may have done something pretty unhealthy. Let's josh. No, no all out there. Like, I dare you to make Josh com. They're women. That's a limited series. Netflix. We are. We're constantly adding cities to the Josh come to. Twenty twenty twenty. Hopefully, so I mean, I wonder if there's anything I mean, you guys obviously should be in a support group together. But I wonder if there's any anything that could may I ask a question that maybe release when you are in the act of sex. Do you ever just call at the active sex just figured out your problem? I guess that's true. But do you ever just are you ever just not even there? You know, what I mean like associated? I mean, of course, because part of the problem is if you're so worried about coming because you're frayed what will lead to because it's not just the leading to a baby even if the person's on birth control. It's a little irrational. You know, what I mean, like even like it's still a little rational. It's the loss of control. So I feel like you can't really get lost insects because you're just worried about what might happen. So you can't you're not really feeling like the fact that you're in a magnificent like, it's an amazing someone let you do this this. This is the best thing. It is. And so it's a little shame. Because you can't relax because you're worried something bad's going to happen. It's complicated. And it's really it's a shame. Shame. Well, especially Josh having listened to this. Do you think that maybe your problem might be trauma related like can you think back to an incident? I can't say one that would be a trauma instance. But I do know what you're saying like, and then there's also like say, it's not a magnificent vagina, and you get in there. They're all run of the mill. I mean, that's very nice day. Sometimes you get in one where you're like, this is not magnificent. Then you know, right away. You're like, well, this isn't going to happen. And then it's just like a whole to do trying to get out of it sweet saving face even through around the idea with Josh he's like he's like, maybe it would happen. And again, this could be very callous not accurate. Maybe he would be able to if it was like a total ten smoke show. Right. Well, it won't hurt to try as all I set. It won't know. Why not? I mean, we might as well think this. I do think it is helpful to talk about this because bet way more medics -periences. It's terrified to talk. Josh he'll be abandoned I've met at least a handful would ask people to maybe respond on Twitter to talk about your sort of lack of coming and maybe will reduce the shame for the men going through anybody coming constantly. Too many a DM in Email from people by the way, and I'm sure you've heard these advices to or they say like, it's the way you're jerking off or don't jerk off or don't look at porn these things don't work, right? You've experienced. Times when I've obviously porn is very attractive because like you come it's like the simulation of sex. But you're not having it. But you still come and it feels better when you're watching porn a lot of the time. But it's not that's only helped a little bit. Sometimes just in terms of sensitivity. But it's it's not the end. It's something he will get it people have been messaging in here's one it's for Josh. But maybe Jake in somebody wrote in I think I have a solution to joshes come conundrum. It's well documented that only Josh can make Josh come my solution. Simply put a mask of job. Trash come. Be with his cockatiel tell the difference. I believe that tricking Josh's penis into believing that Josh is the only one involved will allow for that big release. We're all anxiously waiting for the next time. Josh is being too smart for that. I don't know. Maybe it isn't. Well, I think that's a great way for everyone to come. Frankly. I don't think it's. That you have to prove you love yourself. I think it's a pretty good idea. Selling the Josh mask mask? You make the loved one coming airlines. Terrifying. All right. Well, this is your insight. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you very much. That is fascinating that we have another guest. I never heard of this problem. And now, it seems to me. A lot. It's. I find that. Luckily, any problem you have there's a forum for it. You know? So it's like you're not like every time. I feel like if I can weirdo. It's like tweeted out there like, oh, no I've been through that. So that's good or also terrible. Everyone's and pain. But at least you're not alone. You're not I do feel lucky to have grown up like pornography was not what it was when I was a kid. Oh my God. This is the big problem. Yeah. I feel lucky you have kids are they? Super under three hundred four watch home. Yeah. I'm giving them my path. Save it in my phone. But I do feel like it would have ruined me. I feel like it's having mass effect on your expectations are just so over stimulating to actually see intercourse when you're too young should not be seeing that shit you need to start slow. It's got to be like a Torius secret Yata log like what's under there? When my dad would give me like one like a few times a year. He'd be like, here's here's like a playboy or something like that. It was like that's a would bit like in a in like this briefcase at the top of my closet, and it was a joy. So that every time I had to get it to climb and like get it. And and it was the best of it really meant a lot pictures of like sable of the WWE. You know, like like lady I was like oh my God. This is my late like it was meant so much, and then you had to actually actively fantasize. Yeah. Yeah. Look at just a staff Oto. Yeah. Have it take you somewhere? But now, it's like how many hundreds of thousands of videos. What that in like, what am I looking for? And it's like gaping holes, and how many fifty guys coming in one woman's of that is that your favorite favorites? The word if it's forty nine it's not enough. But it's so violent to. Like gaping print J Pegues off of playboy dot com. I once did it. I the first time I tried it. I went to playboy dot com. A family community, family, computer. Oh my God. So like, by the way, early internet to like, I was I like prayed off of the fact that my mom didn't know what the internet was. So I could delete the search history and she'd be like weird all the internet's are the websites. It'd be like, I don't know. It's the mid the internet computers. Yeah. But one time I went to playboy dot com. Found the perfect image and hit print and it just didn't print and I was like. And I was like well, and then I walked away. And then a few hours later, my mom showed up like shaking. That it had been put in like the printer like Q or something like legs spread. But no. Right. I have scoliosis sexy. Playboy doesn't show full gene right now. Snatch a lot of like Bush shots. Tasteful bushes. Then penthouse and hustler nasty nasty is hell fingers inside really. Yeah. Have you like squirting at the camera? Like it was crazy like like mid mid mid swan. It's like, whoa. What are we doing? The hustle girls were ready to grow up. Yeah. Babysitter ever. Did they have the the centerfold? And then did she give her likes and dislikes in penthouse our house? It was like likes everything whatever you like it was definitely like I dream about sex all day. Always trying to put that that was fantasy that the man wanted. I'm insatiable coerce. I'm just a coast where it's like every like the truth of adulthood is like you have a headache. You know, what I mean, like even a headache and your stomach hurts because we knew lactose. Yeah. It's like, no, no one does man say ship will. Knowing that person with. He defined more. Yeah. Especially if you're trying to have a family like the kids feed these kids got fuck. Insatiable? Yeah. So I wanted to show you something cry visual. Yes. So we have this game. We like to call horrible or hilarious. And we just show you clips, and you tell us your honest take. All right. Right. This is hilarious is horrible. Here we go one gentlemen, leaving his house heading out. No. Well, these are mentally disturbed already. Well, I mean, this is classic. It is what is what is funny. This is this is what funny is thank you. And this is one of the issues with human. Listen, just di-. Did we? He's not getting up you guys. But here's the thing. He let us laugh before he died, and I think he's leading get up. Broken neck? He's paralyzed. He's paralysed. He didn't hit his head. It did not hit his head. So good, Jake, Scott back problems. He left. Yeah. Okay. You know, what I love? He's that guy that we talked about a couple of weeks ago, it's snowing and he's wearing shorts is always that. I hate. This guy's always those these host east coast asshole. What's crazy about this? As like as comedians. You're trying to like right interesting things. Nothing will be funnier than someone funnier. Farda? I work hard at comedy like this. By the way. That's exactly what's what we see. When you when you have kids especially in cartoons. Just fucking. Absolutely. Yeah. We have another one to see what you think. Fuck. Speaking of highbrow, we have a fart Mike case. You guys have to far too great here, we go, right, gene? You haven't seen this one yet either? Now. All right. And now it's going jeez. Trees coming down. Oh. Scott the win MAC Dahlia. Voted. Got that video. This sounds are. Great started funny guy. Not funny to me. Yeah. And then got funny again. Yeah. Blue ban. Can we hear it? Again. The whole reminds me of reminds me, I this is a thing that I went to everyone through this when there's the community pool, and there's the high board. Yeah. And you you like go up there. Everyone's watching it feels like a whole town is watching hair when you bellyflop or just miss it by a second the pain of that and everyone hears it, and it's just so that's. I like sound. Oh my God. Regards swing. Dizzy. That guy. Here. He has Airbus. Yeah. They stayed. Because that that sort of contraption where was it supposed to? It's just weird. His first thing to say. Today was the weird thing. Oh fuck. Fuck. Fuck Jesus Christ. Girlfriend was at dancer and not to brag pretty fit, but we'll get one day after school. I was in the dance hall, and I was like trying to dance that they were doing where you like jumped up on one foot spun around Atlanta on the same foot and the first time, I tried it. I broke my ankle. And it was one of the most like I the hardest. I've tried not to cry tears streamed Isla to run out of the fucking dancehall with a broken ankle home. Oh, we have a technical problem strong. Wow. Mike off this is. This is. This is what I. Josh potter. Would you feel like that guy? He's coming. You just come when you fix them. Woodwork while you're inside. I feel like that guys. And. Hit that ground. It sounds a lot like fucking. For. Nope. What's up? How we can't play. It. Blue ban is telling us. Flagged way. Play. Guidance and a lot of trouble. Say that is weird. The thing just came off. What do you what do you mean? Who who do you get don't even? Point three million dollars trouble. Yeah. Oh sponsors. Sponsors get upset. Oh, we play certain clicks. We had McDonalds sponsor the show we painted the set. Mcdonald's collars per request their requests part of the deal, and we played that clip of Terry. And they played the video the video and we analyzed plug in. Yeah. Anyway, they dropped McDonald didn't like that now, and we did it on the first episode of their sponsorship, and you lost two point three million which was like the campaign. I'm so sorry. Steakhouse sponsor us. And then they fired us 'cause I clip. Just one that clip. So going back to ninety like maybe not. Such an artistic integrity. I'm not gonna let somebody talk what I believe. And I believe how the. Terry, tan, his plug reviews, you real he really tickled your fancy with that guy. He really did. I no cost us everything. All right here Lamborghini. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Eating. Would you guys get one? No, I drove Subaru come off again. Got it. Let me let me hold. I feel like something that allows me no matter what if I'm able to achieve success. I would like to always drive a Subaru so people like, wow, look out grounded. He is. You know what? I mean. Would you really do that? I love it's a good ride. But like even endless endless money. You would just be like. Nope. Sticking to it. They just a good, right? I guess I think about endless money. It's kinda hard to do that. You know who did that? Look exactly what you're saying is talk to see does. He drive Subaru doesn't Zach alpha. Kaz drive like a Prius. Straps. Like how old? Dr. Yeah. Sheep. I like Jeep Cherokee. I just don't have much of a neat. Like, I don't I feel like I would look terrible in any car that people would be like that's a good call. There's a producer. Now. That's in your head and the experiences. It's too fun. It feels great. Of course, the maybe you're not a car guy. That's that's very. What do you guys like when you have kids now? But like, what are some dumb shit, you spend money on that you have a decent amount of money. What do you talk about it? This guy wants a gold chain. Oh, yeah. I'm forty in a couple of Cain. Will it could say that. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I told her I was turning forty. We should celebrate all masking you for his get me a chain with medallion lots of diamond. And then there's no resale value in jewel. What's the sell it trying to win what he want that shit someone's gonna fucking jacket wear here. Yes. Broder not jock to fucking what's his name. When he was in this when he got the grill. That's true. Danny Brown was really he. Yeah. He was here. He was like don't do we talking about because it was like, nah, he's made a lot of dumb purchases. And he said he's brought like potted Cape. Was cut your you know, so on that. But I feel like it's fun to buy a couple dumb things. Yeah. No, nothing. Did you spend your money on eating stupid? Now that really know what I think I'm still afraid. It's not gonna continue. Yeah. So I'm afraid you know, what I mean? But I feel like I'd love to spend something I I'd love to buy something fucking dumb. But I get like polka bowls. Cable tuna. Oh, yeah. Those are really good. Buddies AJ Hawke who played in the NFL for ten season. Yeah. I'm like. Yeah. Like tell me like what you spend. What is what's some like, you know, not necessary expenses like shit? You bought? He was like oh like out. I'll just by like mulch for my yard. Gently goes one seven we rented a house on this lake. And like, yeah, he's like that's one. Are you serious ten NFL season? Orders on AM one. Yeah. Like, tell me something reckless and stupid. But I I agree with AJ the thrill for me is going to you know, trade those Joe and just buying what I want. It is. I think that is what success is if you get the billet dinner, not even looking at what it like just here you go. Here's the card. I think that's what success is just like here you go. Thank you. I'm saying to make crazy purchases, but it is fun for stories. You could spend a chain into gold. Like you like you could like make it a thing you put on your neck special. You would probably make money off. Maybe what I do is tell production. I need this. Don't pay for it or have someone donate a listener. Right. A bit about it fun me there. You find me for you. Change for having us by one. Yeah. I just wanna forty thousand dollars problem. Yeah. Is that what it would cost is that what you're warrants to have this crazy? Just a bunch of diamonds. I hate spending money on jewelry. I think it's the worst. Sneaker is like really high end. On that. There's that documentary broke it's called oh, the thirty thirty thirty thirty. I bought a wolf coat. Depressing things I've my last it's just about how like a will overwhelmingly almost all NFL players and a lot of other like our broke within five years of being the, but the worst part was like how they were saying in that documentary they're saying like on payday NFL checks at least twenty now, it's probably all direct deposit. Right. But it used to be like checks and players saying they would go into the player parking lot and family and friends would be waiting in the player parking lot. Like it was like everybody's payday. Yeah. That's fucked up. Yeah. I mostly just don't wanna think about money. That's like that's lace. I wanted to be it is where like I walk into trader Joe's, and it's like, yeah. Very chocolate covered pretzels and get those. I like those those way for creditors the chocolate. So I this. I think it's barrister. But it's kinda true. We're like I've got into trader Joe's been like I wanna get like, good wine and just just sort of the trash can that. Like, all the prices are so cheap. And I'm like, do you have anything more expensive? And and then I don't know what I'm talking about with right? Like just trying to buy a more expensive one. Yeah. They're like, well, this is a great deal. Like, I don't wanna great deal. Anything? Anything like four nine true. And I don't know I feel like I'm lucky with wine because you I don't know what the fuck. So it doesn't whether it's two hundred dollars another you guys read that there's this book about this guy. I think there's a documentary called sour grapes or this guy on the high end wine industry because it turns out none of them know what they're frauds. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's such a good. This is a movie documentary. And there's a book the the document is called sour grapes. And he basically like learn how to fake labels from like Bordeaux. You know what I mean? And was like and selling it to the richest motherfuckers in the country and go to like trader Joe's and combined cheap wines, expensive, a good Hallett and the FBI fucking God him selling for tens of thousands of dollars four dollar one. For years. She like conned like all these rich white men one on sixty minutes, which is not a con. That's like the spin on it where there's this guy who was in Michigan. And he went into a liquor store to end he had just retired and found the lottery game. I forget what it's called windfall or something like that. And it was just like a Mathis agent that he didn't head. It was like if you get all five numbers you win. But if you get four of the five you still get some amount. And if you get three of the lesser amount. Yeah. And he said like in a minute. He was like, oh, so I could definitely win money every time if I buy enough of these and so then he just started doing that. And it just grew and grew and grew and grew and so eventually he want a total of like twenty six million having this and then getting like. A pool of getting friends to watch. Then Michigan shut it down. They are just like we're done. And then Pennsylvania was like we can do it here. So then he just started driving out there to play it. And then eventually, you know, FBI starts going like, hey, this one guy has won this game like one hundred fifty times. So they launched an investigation. They're like, yeah. He just saw the math equation. So there was none. I wish I would some want some shit, right? That oh my God. It makes me. He just he just kept just he was like. And then he goes in the air. He's like, I just can't believe nobody else can do kind of math. Everyone genius. It's a simple equation. Yeah. It does feel. Yeah. You do have to work really hard. I mean comedy. You don't have to yet. No. You have to work really hard. You have to work really hard. It's like a great way to make a living. But I would love to win the lottery, I work to not be pressure. Oh, I mean, I do it. But yeah. Oh, my bills doesn't matter. Lottery. Covers my bills. Dead my pocket. Akiva dildo in my pocket. Yeah. Yeah. What's it for? It's his chair squeaking. It's we your chair squeaks when you move. That's the sound. It sounds like keys jingling or something. No, dad, and mom. Mommy. Mommy. Well, not not daddy. Yeah. Sometimes the kids around father, we, mommy. That's our show amaze-. Yeah. Are you gonna have kids? What's going on of? I don't know it feels like one of those things where like I'm like, I don't know. And then cut to five years I'm like desperately trying to have a kid. I don't know. I just feel like my kid will be fucking crazy. So I don't know if that's exciting. I mean, the thing is you have with comedians like most comedians, like they're getting to the age where they're gonna are having kids or some of these people the way that I know them it's crazy to me. They're reproducing like it's like, really scary. I know. I know, but it almost just feels inevitable for everyone. So I feel like saying I'm not gonna do it as dumb, but I don't want one because I'm selfish. Oh, well, that was good to know. But I mean, but don't were you selfish. What were you not selfish before? Yeah. Yeah. You are. I don't know. I I think because I like grew up in a house where it was such a priority. I guess family. I always thought it was just like automated in like the only thing that kept me from like really actively pushing for kids awhile ago. Your phone is dictating. The only thing that kept me from doing it earlier was just that. I was like broke or pushing tonight didn't wanna do it yet. Because we found another one, right? But when you guys met you were like one of the you talked about like you both want kids. No, actually when we got married. I was terrified of it. And I'm it was something I thought I possibly could do. But I was like scared my family's crazy. I don't know if I do this. And then I got into therapy for a long time. And then. Yeah. Through therapy. I you know, figured it out. And now, I love it. It's the best thing ever. Now. I'm really into family stuff. But I never thought I would be is true. She was like like when I was like we were about to get married. I was like you wanna have kids. Right. And she was like when I was like, I don't know. She was like your fucking mind. We are so broke when we got married. So I mean, we were we were living in a rampart division MacArthur park. Yeah. That's bad. Really wasn't. That's pretty. And she was like you want to have a kid like featuring on the road. And she's like, no, you're losing money, basically. Yeah. And then I remember like right right after we got married like the week after I got a call that I booked like twelve headline weeks at the house, and it was such bottom barrel pay. Yeah. That I did like all those almost all in a row and then immediately had to go get a job. Yep. Lining. Yeah. It really makes you want it. Yeah. One or another concern about having kids all the like, you have to go to the kids schools, and like talk to the parents, and like engage in more bullshit. That is is you have to be like e your kids to come over a play date like. Yeah. PTA? Oh, my God, fundraiser shit can't be fully human it. Feels like well, that's my concern on. Now. Our children are not school aged yet. We have one kidding like a preschool thing. And I dread it. I I do the bare minimum every time. I come in there. Like he wanna sign up further. I don't want to sign up for shit. Don't. I'm not that mom. I'm not going to bring fucking homemade cupcakes. Like, what's the bare minimum my son to participate? I remember I went to it. Go they're like, so you're coming Saturday. And I was like what? And they're like the big like, we're doing the dance. I was like the hands. I know he's been rehearsing. I was like he's three doesn't mention shit. And then they're like, well, do you want to are you going to go? And I was like, I don't think so. They're all like they've been rehearsing, and I was like, yeah. So I can't really do it. Yeah. You also have a few more years before not going to things has an effective. Mainly you can not go to things right now. But when it gets to they're playing like soccer or they're playing the flute or something if you don't go. It's like my dad doesn't let that's my. Now, the problem I played drums and percussion in in grade school not to turn everyone on immediately. I know that everyone just got. But that's the other hell is like what if they start playing an instrument, and you have to listen to them suck instrument. Drums, drug candy. That's just in the back. The sound so much as I do a team sport. Like what you're talking about? Like, it's the it's it's Hotta shit outside in L A. And I gotta be out. I'm gonna bring. Every hour. Sport. You don't like I remember my I don't like any sports. I like tennis. I was like always like omic so exciting about sports and member one of my friends is like ten years ago way before kids. I was like you're having a Simon excited about sports. He was like, yeah. Can't wait to get him into baseball. And I go what if he doesn't like baseball? He's like like what I'm like, what did you like soccer? He goes well won't go to the game. Go to the games on my soccer kid. And then now like, oh, yeah, I'm not really the baseball. Go. I hope. Like, you know, they well. Just start just are putting football on all the time. And it will just be a part of it. He's already too. Your brain washing them and put put the posters up in the fucking room. Yeah. Does it feel that way? You're like we're brainwashing. Our kit. Totally yeah. And you're just choosing. Because you're just exposing them to things. Well, he'll mention football. I'm like, that's because of trick. Do you work? Like, how do you feel in terms of like them having certain polit- like political opinions or religious opinions? Like, are you like you can't do that? Are you are you gonna be like, do whatever you why? How's it feel like, you know, the older you get even with without kids? But with kids, I think, you you start to see, you know, young people really passionate about something that in your mind, you're like they don't have to fuck this. And I think the older you get the less stresses you out. So I'll be like, oh that is interesting. Yeah. We're gonna go March. Yeah. Okay. I think I'll totally be Gotcha. Right. That sort of anti-social freethinking, I try to, cultivate, that more than anything tie authority. All like, they don't know everything. Don't listen to these fucking idiots. Don't turn that on you. It's fine. It's okay. Spec. I've always wondered that because as a parent like what's at twelve thirteen. They're going to not like you anymore. Oh, luckily, you guys are pretty like you have cooler jobs, theoretically, it won't be called them care. Like, I watch comedy. Yeah. And everyone I talked to with kids that are older now like teenage kids one hundred percent, they're just like you're late to their for their dad, and they're like, you know, who's funny, and they'll always mentioned someone who they're the guys Kevin Hart or something you say someone super famous or someone who's like totally right, right? Right before you guys go the wanted to show, you a couple more. Larry's clips and get your back your reaction. If you think it's funnier not what the hell what is happening. Already. I think he's fishing, right? Yeah. Yeah. Amazon or something. See I'm calling fake this what I'm calling. Nobody runs to help him fast and help them. It does it does look painful he felt planned. That's pretty good acting job. I feel like, you know, get him on the show. He really sold really sold. Don't these guys know that you're gonna get your dick pinched, eventually dealing this for generations. They have like a dick cover. Fishing, the Amazon good tribal elders. Thing to remember. I mean that is it is it is hard to look at something happening to Dicker balls without feeling like covering. Literally went to start covering myself. So maybe you see guys coming more though. I I mean, I I have seen a lot of coming in my life. It's usually on a face. But. Okay. Let's see there. Another one another one. Okay. My god. Dick. What do you think pinched? His dick was like a crab. Yeah. Oh, here we go. This one. Dirty Tampa, dirty tampon. They can't be real either. Because I'd shake. That was amazed gave you what three or four good season three. That was we'll show you for the we'll. Yeah. That was like what what was that? Where was that taking place? I like do you wanna taste the tuna? That was amazing great line. I love that. I don't even know if that was horrible hilarious. That was just that was really impressive really just made me think differently about the world unimpressed that she could take a tampon out friend. Might have been it might have been like plan talk. When you take a tampon, you have to be a little more slower more deliberate. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's not that quick of Dever. I dunno. I personally don't rip them out that fast do visceral memories of the times have been hitting the balls in my life, though, it really six kids in your. I was eleven played soccer. Yeah. I remember kid did it prank or like his setup. I wasn't a. Like the community pool, you know, like at a public pool and this guy this kid, we're both like probably eight or nine standing in kind of the shallow end. And it goes, what's that what's on your arm? And I was like what? And as he grabbed my arm. They need me. Ho lap crying dodger that comes with that. It's always supplies. I was once on us right home from a band thing again, not to brag. But I played percussion. Okay. And I was I was sleeping like this. And I was I woke up to guy who came up to me, and like just on the back with a with a mallet and back to the balls. It was like a high school. It was funny to play the game ball tap. Not a funny cackles. Yeah. Back had the loose rid. No funny. A towel of a hand. Like, it's make it snap. You gotta do. Get your. Tap like is really overreact think you need to you need to carry a gun. That's what guns for only one guns for ball taps. At all. Fairus get mad when the kid accidentally kicks. That's a real by the way, they stop bet. It makes you see white. And you're just like, oh, yeah. You you can only hit him so hard. No with your with your balls. Yeah. You guys have any live dates coming up you wanna plug check out. I've run a show in Los Angeles called good heroin. You did the first you're gonna verse Ray of it at the echo. It's every Saturday at stories books and cafe and Jeff. Yeah. He was just on. It's really fucking fun and good show. Yeah. Follow us on Instagram Twitter, watch corporate corporate. Screener season to Tuesdays at ten thirty pm. Yeah, we got we got the full links to all the shows on watch as much as we want. When I liked about your show is that it really captures the the horrible suck of corporate life, like mine Moshe, so great. We're so lucky we don't have to we only have to sell out to them. We don't have to work at those offices. So congratulations on it. Thank you guys again. Thank you. H we'll be right. This episode of your mom's house is also brought to you by hymns. 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What not talented? They're not. They're super talented correction. They're not very manly. Bradley Cooper's man. But I have Manley at home when I eat out. I want. Tweak you want to tweak on the side. Yeah. Want different flavor? Ms Manley, all manned. So what if I wanna eat butthole? I wanna eat like a hairless clean, or if you wanna go super Devonish, go black guy. Yeah. Now talking black girl. Oh, yeah. I've done it. So. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We went to my first Laker game. And I had a dream that night had a big dog. I had to put a bib around her neck. She's just salvage. Yeah. Like a full record. We go to more lake. About love. And so. Oh, good. It basketball. I wanna sit in that. I want to sit in the Jack Nicholson seat. So their dogs can swing as they ran past me, and I can really see the Dixie. I wanna get my face smack by Deng. That'll do it. You sit Cates. Court-size against the ticket. I'm I'm fixated on them to ask you, everyone is right. As an athlete Brennan how come their Dicks. Don't swing more is. They're running brushing shorts. Now at that must make it pretty sweaty down. There is pretty grimy some Stingl Shaef itch after a game coal shaft is Torah. Yeah. Tore asked cracks up eating that post-game button. Now, no shower. No, I would not. But you understand. Guys so much. It's all the and them more than anyone else. NBA guys. They everybody first of all why? All right. It's it's great question. So. Here. Yeah. You're you're gifted physical specimen and in most in in reality. These guys are just larger human beings, then like ninety nine point nine nine nine nine nine percent, right. An average size basketball is six seven. He's a fucking giant Hyun. Some of these dues six ten seven one sixty two three hundred lack there's not. And here's the thing you're paid out of your mind, guaranteed money. You're a piece of shit that rides the bench. You get like nine million a year. At least, you know. And then the ballers are so out of control ball, and they're making like, you know, forty million guaranteed a year just playing and another forty guys make hundred. Here's the other thing. Whatever to suck them off your wants to suck them off because one of the only sports to where there's no helmet, protect, right? There's nothing the end. There's only eleven of per team NFL. It's right helmets on. There's fifty three of them. Does that culture of the NBA is dope? It's run. The culture is actually it's it's it's dictated by the players. That's up so union. It's right. The players unions, very strong, and the culture is like it's us. We're the best basketball players where the best four hundred basketball players in the world, and we put on a show, and they fucked and they fuck update. How about Tristan Thompson? He's fucking every everything. Yeah. Sisters moms. He's a good looking to. And then whenever somebody when someone's like, what are you doing? He's like I'm a ball. Expect that my bad. You like the girls are like that's true. All get it is like you signed up for it. Here's the thing. If you if you marry or just are dating an NBA player, he ends up fucking around. And you pretend you're surprised your dumb dumb. That's what happened with Kobe and the white, right? Anybody new beef man Kobe beef, and you heard the ring? And now is it kinda what you sign up for it is, you know, they're gonna get sucked off on the road. Yes deal. And they're now they're hose are so different than other sports off their hose little ratchet, bro. Yeah. They they know that they know the schedule they know the team hotels. They wait at the hotel. They know. Yeah. Exactly. It's like high end lot lizards. Yeah. Yeah. And they and they want to get pregnant at the original. Yes. But also there be one. And then the whole starting five just suck the squad off talking about right there. Now. Just rare producer our right wrote. No curfew for the NBA. So those guys right out a huge problem. What am I supposed to buck? What do you what we're playing basketball the good time at night? But you're getting like twenty year old boys with an incredible amount of money, and they don't have a curfew that silly show. All the Nikes. They can handle right? And they don't they don't show up in time to go to bed to rest for the game. So this thing is you have that. Yeah. You have that thing where first of all there are games. You would watch. If you really follow the NBA where you like these dudes state late last, sure. Take off motherfucker. They told me with baseball to the N. Yeah, we'll get. But in baseball and basketball seasons are loan. You know, all right basketball starts in November. And if you make it to the finals you play in June right on all over and there's only laugh enough them. Yeah. Are they getting the best hose in every city? What about being a fighter? Did you? What's the hosts that you K drought? Yeah. Caja? Let's talk about the cage rats, there's a few cage rats, but it's not like the NBA because they know that you unless you're kinda McGregor. Fricking Brock listener. You're getting probably paid the same that they are. So it's not that flash. Right, right. The other thing is I find like in basketball, you know, win or lose their like that shit. I feel like there's a such an emotion attached to like a girl who's like I'm targeting this bad crossed, right? All right. Kick your ass. Weird 'cause you might lose a basketball game. But you still the man like James harden? You skill still scored forty point. Right. You're still getting sucked off like you. See me flip in the air. And that was Shimao at a loss bitch. I'm signed by Dita's. I'm all star game in fighting. It's like we'll get knocked out that banner. Right. You're the loser. That's rough. That's kind of be. So it's like. Now, how do you know, she's a cage does she hang out after like saying like, all right? Kate. Salve aiding like basketball games. Did you have the prefight? There's always been that thing about sex and a professional. But I mean so night before you're nuts. Whenever you Kim. Yeah. Don't hold it. It's it's would you take a cage right on the night before. Yeah. I I'm not mad. Yeah. Yeah. What do you call it? What do you? Call comedy hose. Chocolate offers. All right old in it. It is old something like, my mom would say, maybe I mean your mouth fuckers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's an old saying you're one update. Let's update. The three of us are created. What is a rat? What's another word ho-? Yeah. We need a little game. Yes. Geic? What's new word for a slut? Exactly thought sled is such a timeless where haha Hooker. Let's see finding hilarious horror. Yeah. Hooker. I feel like we need some sort of animal attached to it. Punchline hooker. I don't know a hook Hooker. Try think of words for punch little co to keep it in your mind. Get submission about. So how do you know, they're caterer? So your timing is like you. Meaning you see the girl in the audience, or this is a ho that's like in your. Wayans you can get some laugh lizards. Lizards get some cage Rach some jersey chasers. DM's man. House down is open. They slide into your DM's is what they say. Right slotted hor and they're like what's not Brennan. I see your fighting the wooden Vegas. I'll see you there. Well, when I was fine. I retired what six years ago. So DM's really wasn't that big a deal? Right. But even now if I go into city, you don't have a few on sale you wanna city, Fresno, Sacramento. Wherever out my DM's tits. Wow, really hits at all. At all it never happens to you zero Tom guys. This led him really cool guys. Do this in the circle of trust? Nothing. Looking do you guys? Get a lot of dudes. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Just like put it out there like the guy. I'll just be like, I don't know. Dick's. And it's like, you know, it's like those guys had the same tally that straight guys do chasing tail right there. Just like. Go for numbers game. Maybe he'll bite. Maybe it's feeling shop of my balls. And then he didn't respond. I don't know not big deal. Go to try. So you get like tit tit picks shipment. Your fiance. Does she know about them? Another check my phone. I'm sure she her body is ridiculous. I'm sure she gets them ridiculous Deums about those basketball players. Yeah. Yeah. Doesn't she? Wait. She works in sports. Right. Do you Stu? She's time. Now, mama fulltime. Yeah. What she worked in sports for sure that athletes to came. Wrap-up fucking. Yeah. Chosen helmet. You know, what this is? This is a good time to bring this up. So Josh Potter who's a great comedian who works here with us doing the show. Has thing. He has a he can't come during sex. Like, he he's a straight, man. He's a straight, man. He fucks. He's right there with the beard. He FOX, okay. He fucks the man with the glasses. Yes. Yeah. He fucks. Okay. Fucks? He he can get latest from him. He can get in there, and he cannot finish. So what we did is. We put it out there. We put it out there. Hey, help him come help. Josh Josh com. How tour is he single? Yes. Oh, yeah. Here's what's happening ever since ever say ever since we put it out there. These hoes started listening watch the show have been sending him messages like I'll make you come and all this shit. I some of them are I think he needs help in his dick in his. Yeah. Like, so like, yeah. Because my DM game war. I don't know. He told me some his responses kill them. Like, you'll let me suck you off. That'd be fantastic. That's me. It'd be like I told. As take take advice from that. Because I mean, obviously, you're a great podcast or great broadcaster. Also play favorites football team ever the Buffalo Bills. Anybody puts on red white and blues my heroes so here single, Josh. The thing is I played as many football games for the bills as you relaxed. I mean, you put on the helmet your hero to me. So I mean, I'm sure in like high school and college I never had that athletes swag. I mean, I'm sure you were like ringing your dick out all the time. In rugby. So Soghi constantly like. What's that? Like have your valleys not round. Did you do? Well, Tom now. Better. But I didn't. Yeah. All right. I was I was not prolific in any in any good good-looking Gallagher. Steve, I'm sure you did. Well, I could have but I was raised in an era. Where aids was a big thing. And I was so frayed of getting aids staff that I was real. Yeah. So I'm kind of aids like pop she's fifty three and sixty. No. But I'm you know, what I'm built for marriage monogamy used to have long term boyfriends. I wasn't a good dater. I'm not a good hookup girl. He was supposed to be my first one nights. Dan, this guy Mallika our Mariam. I did throw it in a few. Date put it knows. But I'm saying I didn't rack up crazy numbers. Yeah. So, but now, you're you're number's pretty crazy sky staying I bet it's pretty damn. Yeah. Yeah. Disturbing. I don't know triple digits some on there. Triple this. Howard stern. Do you know the names of every girl you ever slept with -solutely? She gave me sit for that. She was like what are their names hall? Not if so it's shop, I will give you a twenty million dollars can name twenty five of them. Thank you fifty. Now. See I'm like everybody. That's Jackie lated in me. I know their names are I don't like some guy, but nuts, and no apparently, not it's nasty. I think it's fucking gross like I actually go. There was the one with the missing leg. There was the fucking knife short one. There's the one at the beach. That's how I remember them like something kinda give them like a little right? Like if I met a pizza Chicago pizza. Yeah. Or you go like. Hemming sleep with that. We you like there was Asia. There was you know, I mean like Asian girl throw redhead here. All that. Big tits. There was the one that farted. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like nickname. So wait. Let's go back to potty Potter's getting these offers, and I don't think right. Closing the deal. We need to capitalize on this opportunity. Maybe like his hit yet. He's the big fat white, dude. Right. James? I'm wilson. There you go. Yeah. You got any like tips. Like what what hap-? Okay. Can you? For example, because you got to be more aggressive because they're off see down for the clown. So you don't need to tip around to jump in the fucking all just Ryan hit it. Why do? Hold on. When she comes on strong. What's the tower back strong back deck? Here's what I'm saying. Are you working with a I don't know that I got big be dick over here. You know what I'm saying? No, he's good, man. I'm okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So we toward a bunch so. Yeah. Like, but let's say this chicks. Like, oh, I heard you a problem, you know. You know, I'd like to help you with that problem. But I'm in Cleveland, he should be like fucking talking about airfare. Well, if you have a if you're only getting a few she's like, well, I'm in Cleveland, and I don't know your financial situation. But yeah, maybe flyer at her, but he goes on tour with you a lot of times just give me a ton of fuckin- laugh lizards. So don't don't don't waste your fucking miles on this whole in Cleveland start start demon them, skanks and the other city. So derogatory towards women head showtimes five. What do you guys? Think of giggle. Gash giggle. Gas gas. That's a good. Hey, maybe the next round out too much. Wonder why you can't? Bundy over here about gas whores. All right. Well. That's what I love about twenty minutes to come up with that sitting on it bucking gashed, these bitches. Gig on gas next cash right swing? My axe. Noor fucking nobody wants to hear the word gash built. So wait a. Let's hear it. Okay. So it starts out. You so cute. I'm sure you've got a girl at home. But if you've ever if you're ever in S T L in want someone to try to make you come feel free to hit me up only if you plan to keep it high tight and come when you poop, though, Brunton Jesus. You got a big fan. Yes. Big fan of the shows this dropping fan references. Take poop when you call. It's just a fan referee doesn't. Familiar with it. I wouldn't waste my waist my mouth, but respond back. I when you know, what's good? Let's do it. Like when you literally what's good? Let's do it shops thing is basically for my direct like it's straight up direct because there is because you don't need you to warm up. There's no foreplay you're getting and then it's fucking on like Donkey Kong and shit too. Right. I say something, you know, what man. I just feel like I say like I say like. Come get it bid for something. Like that. Right. I wouldn't do that not good idea. No, not come get this debt. I would probably take that out like, you know, hone your aura here with myself. You wouldn't say bitch. No, I say bitch girl messages. Let's say you're single and she's like, yeah. Hey, brennan. I'd love to make you come. When you're in Houston, your responses. See march. All right. Good. Okay. Perfect while I'm in town. That's good. When I'm in town is good response to this lady. Then you call there. You call there. Let me know if your NFL star following up with that more. That's better. Okay. The west coast. Here's a deal, man. You might get a hold of fly herself out. She's got a ton of miles or my Mans of pilot and can jump on that plane. Feels like this whole thing mentality. That's how he says the word. He said that was it. Listen elementary alimentary elementary, momentary, western New York. You know, we speak oddly. Right. I mean, you've talked to friend, and he's trying to say a lament elementary elementary. I said it wrong. One time. That's not I say, so I'm saying it wrong for thirty four years. That one time. Again clicking. That'd be so retarded. Alimentary? Yes. Terry. I don't think they say I was just in. But I wasn't not just but six months in buffalo the helium there. They definitely don't say that. Just as a special gift. From helium by giggle. Definitely. We definitely let's let's try this tactic. More to wreck, bro. You don't need a butter him up. But also, maybe take it down. I I get a creepy vibe little. Yeah. I know. That's just I mean, we haven't gotten to know each other obviously creepy vibe is what I put off. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. I mean, I get it. You'll get to know me. Hopefully, sometime he'll realize I'm not as creepy as I love that part's true. Yes. True. Yes. True sweetest. I totally get your first impressions. Maybe. Yeah. There is. Yeah. So the whole gas weapon that was crazy giggle. Gashes? Yeah. I think that's a winner. Still. I really. Connect. That's not that doesn't connect. Creep you. Yeah. Another one, let's do some more. Because I think that you need Brennan's learning that my initial instincts of joy when I received tits in DM or something in going like, Nido or awesome. That's not good, right? No awesome. Not sexy. Right, right tastic. Now, they don't want. You're not a concert the best. Tits without sounding like a nerd. It's easy. Because let's say you don't wanna use words, use emojis and all the Salvator mouth like all gore devil horns or the the heart is what about the or or you can do or you can do bag point. I do eggplant drip, drip, drip, and then a mouth. Yeah. Because. He's straight outta hose. Man. Speak their language laugh lizards, bro. Hieroglyphics shit. Yeah. But for poor. And if she she leads with like, a host eight -ment on you can't treat her like treat her like, you're like lady, she wants you to a hope told you right? You don't wanna send like like, you're my Queen. And. Like. No, no say. Noted. Josh put it this way a lady like me. That's got the husband. Nice children. Nice lady. I would never send the like that and a million dollars. What's that tits? Or like, it's all suck. Your cock at any city all make you come like, it's never ever thought. Momma quality. I got I got news for you, Christina. There's a few married ladies that'll disagree with you. Nice girls. Like shitty. Shitty. Yeah. You know, the shitty kids your kid goes the classes the poor dude lady, I'm saying the nice girls. Good girls. They don't. That's what you say. Nice things to say nice. Okay. Trying to get a wife. You're trying to suck dot no wife. Okay. Then what's the game plan? Wait. We had the whole thing about that. Can you come in a mouse? No, also, it's harder than of giant. Fuck dude. It's sad. It's not upset Brennan. I know. I know I know. You're just imagine. Like, I guess the way for you to relate have you ever had like a month where you're just got so much pussy where you just like your eyes role in the back of your head. And you're just you're not even you're like did I leave the oven on you don't even think about sex anyway. That's the only way that like maybe you can relate level. It's just like Thursday, and I have another pussy on my dick. You know what I mean? Like just tell like those days, but you just can't come at. All right. Well, he he can mastermind girl I can finish on his own. He has to do it himself. He just can't finish in the girl. Yeah. It's never been inside of them when he's gotta get involved. Have you ever had a girlfriend? Yeah tongue. Don't say Tania. Don't say four. I don't know why don't say tons on. Now. Now. No he played for the bills. I'm nervous. God it to play for the bills. What I'm ga-? I plays me. Did you? Did you do preseason? Yeah. Dude. That's fucking then your mind. Mature your standard tire, man. Jim Kelly over here. Okay. Okay. More in this. Can we do more because he just talked you you realize that emoji shit. That's some real knowledge. Right. Create regain as Willie de says for game right charged for this shit. Pretty awesome. I'm definitely gonna go with emojis generally are great because they're vague yet. Still kind of decipher bowl, and she can read into that pretty black and white letter read into it. Is there any Noam? Oh, jeez. Yeah. That's one. Well, you know, what they'll stand for right? So he found eggplant that's have a peach the ass. Right. And then there's there's the watermarks. That's come the mouth is you're coming into their mouth. I know learning every just trying to fully the full eclipse moon. That's like a cuckold one. Right. Why? I'm not sure that is again that's weird, bro. Mosey talk. And then he's like what about the moon? That he struggles with this finishing Jiang's. What about if what if what a few to double team, you kinda show him like front and center. The man it'd be like show him the ropes. Yeah. Feel like he'd have a mask on Jack enough in the corner suite he he's seeing his whole face right now because he's covered but. Yeah. He's not like high five over the wait. That would be like way to go, bro. I would be like more like I'd be like congratulating you 'cause I'm sure you do better job in. Get her, dude. Pinter's? Hitch X rated you know, what I'm saying, you know, Will Smith and Kevin James x Ray. And then. Then you would have the thing. Like Brennan would be banging her. Yeah. And then you're in her mouth, and you go he for the bills. His neck so much bigger, right? Crazy. Yeah. This is a good idea. Strana help him man. You know? Been very very much. Hold on. Do you have type, no? We do we do have this thing that we've been talking about where since he he hasn't. But able to finish with a lady of any type we're thinking maybe because we were trying to figure out what gay now, I don't think he's gay did mitt to that part. I mean, I'm opening you know, he's maybe he just needs to be with us Moshe. Oh, like at ten you know, what I mean you have to pay for that. I think with him really, let's get you a profession is it that easy of a solution who wants to start the Kickstarter fund or you want to see I have one here. I don't wanna show the lady's news. This is another also do what is will? I mean what earned it, man? I'll get some knowledge. I would show you my mom's news for the bills. I mean like so tell. So this woman wrote I would absolutely love to be your com- sponsor. I also never eat. I chain smoke and nothing turns me on more than a good old child's murder, try it out. And I was like, okay. I wrote I would be honored. And then I ruined being honored for teaching. I guess so she goes come to Ottawa on your come tour to floor. That's it. And then she said. Come to. I said, oh that sounds. I said I'm super excited to come to Ottawa this. I'm trying to myself. I'm super excited. I can't wait together. Great coffee. She said, I can't believe you are responding to me. Well, I have to make this happen now. And I was he's like on great. Then she's on newts. Are they good? Yeah. Well, fuck and put him up, dude. I mean, okay. Can edit out of the video. Yeah. You want the audience are they good? I if if they're asshole shots. I don't wanna see I don't wanna see that shit. You were seeing her Newt's. No god. Started a soccer player soccer player her her Newt's got leaked and they are so graphic. She's opened up her apple really, it's so disturbing guys. You're not supposed to look, but she's gonna she's kind of like, she's sexy. But she's like this super aggressive goalie right goalie who got kicked out of the Olympia. She's got to hardcore. Yes. All though. Yeah. Asshole picks. Should I bring them out to you? Can we put them on the screen? I mean, they're in my phone. I don't think that's possible. All right. Yeah. Yeah. But either. Let me get a sexy pick. And then the girl goes asshole like inside her aspect. All right. Maybe too much for me. Is that is that the line what's the sex effect? This is the girl who's trying to fuck you one of them. That's one of came on brother. Oh, look at that reaction game on bro. There's a video of what she's kiss it. Oh, she has a strap on. What what are you waiting for? Oh, what are you doing to Ottawa? Now. What are you don't listen to any my adviser? Let me see what you've miles. What is wrong with you? How much is a ticket office. He opened for you. Tom. Oh, dude. See? Oh, my God cover on your phone. You psycho swipe. All right. Let's see. All right. Again. I'm sure super nice, but the iphone one's a creepy. Vibrio that iphone one creepy. What are you waiting for this girl's gonna make your phone before start fucking, dude, you're crazy? You gotta go to auto good at all knows are good. She'll make you come. Yeah. Jeez. She got the beak honor though. Yeah. Well out I mean. Smart not to show her face though. I mean like from sending naked pictures perspective. Right. I mean, it's pretty incriminating. Do you care? Do you know ten now Potter's intro is when we have on the segment, what is it? It's this right here. That him cried. No, just crying crying. That's how that's how we bring them on. Yeah. How long have you known each other? I've known him for a number of years now. Yeah. Calm the cockroach. Why he doesn't eat a dozen sleep? He can't come. How old is because he's not even human. He's he's nineteen. Thirty three thirty three doesn't sleep. How? Well, yeah. Hey, I wanted to bring up the other thing. Native. So. Yeah. Yeah. So. So for people that. Don't know. I had we got a real big kick out of this. And that was that a few months ago. You tweeted out a picture my barber. Yes. And you said you're here with Tom's twin dude every time. I see you look like my friend cigarette. You looked at my friend cigar? I thought you guys look identical now before you go bad on ready. Yeah. So they're keep passed away. What what to go get my haircut last week? And there was like a huge picture of him. And they're like he had a heart attack and he's on life support. And we're doing a go fund me. I know before we go bad on them. What was bad on them? I was just anything like that. I mean mine. No. I think he looks like he's paying Mexican as fuck, that's, you know, a heart attack. And there's some that he wasn't doing. Well, they had a go fund me. Who's gonna cut your hair? Now. That's the real problem. What is the caption say? There was a fun. Fact, did you know, my Arbor's, Tom sagoes Mexican brother? Yeah. So is that a bad thing? Not at all. No. I just thought he'd look I got a laugh out of it. And it goes my mind. I was just mean would you say as a joke felt like mine was more fun years was fun. Yours is like apparently Brenton punched in the face recognizes friend. Yeah. Yeah. But which was a it was people laughed. It was a it was I did it ingests that. Okay. I just thought maybe you know, the was making you'd not see my face. Well, also, he'd guess f-. Similar features. Not at all the really the only similarities the beard and even that man's peers so full and the same. I absolutely not. No, this is this is nowhere near apparently early in the morning 'cause I looked like death in that patient. Very handsome. Look, this this this this other gentleman's handsome. But no. But it got us. Got our wheels turning though. Yeah. Well, we decided that we should pull out some of your twins. What I look like. Yeah. So here's this guy. You think I don't see it at all is that more like in Freeman that guy. That guy. Any from churches shore, eat all the pizza injures? What happened? You don't. You look him at all no, not even a little facially a little bit. And I don't know, man. I don't think so he's got tattoos. He's very benny's. Very. I mean, that's the thing hit Whitey post that picture because he's on a key to genyk diet now and he's much skinnier big four. And after I think this is a before she clearly he's really in good shape right now. Okay. I guess maybe any. See you at all in that. I mean, not really, man. I guess we both have is in a nose. All right. All right. All right. How about this one this next one? That's finale. All right, bro. That's when I had a baby. You don't think your hair looks like? Yeah. But that's about it. He looks more. Like you than me. Well, he has your stare. Yeah. Right. You're pre-game your prefight stare across the ring. Sheiks very full face. Very similar. Yeah. I don't see it there. Either. See that. I don't see it. What else you guys? See you this right here. Brow? Rob code ashen. You see I guess if I all the fucking Honey in the world. What are you talking about? What that looks just like you that looks like you, you don't see. On this crazy diet now where I do know sugar. No, carbs you for a while ever since. And you're you're right. You're right. When when he said fat shaming works. The comedy store keeps us in this picture of was so fast. So you said, hey, looks like Burt like you sent to me on the comedy thing. I was like, oh my face looks like that. And then. Really big. Now I've been on. Now, he was just here last week. Back up getting fat. Because he's on tour, and he's just like tears himself loose. That's Burt though. Yeah. Skinny when it'd be fun. That's true. Yeah. No. You need them to be like. Yeah. Three twenty three twenty. He's up. He's up to like he said he was just at just under three right? No way. Yeah. Yeah. What is huge, man? God. No, you're to know God three hundred eighty five I'll show you picture of Chrysler. We were with him. How how about this? Does this look like you? Oh, man. That's your comedy picture. That's that's my story. And why does it? I don't know this poll, whatever they can get I guess or the laugh keeps us in this one amino. Fuck internal crasher. This is last week. See? He's thick for sure. But see not. There's no way he's to ninety listen Instagram. If you guys want to see at the oh, put that picture doesn't really even show fan. Yeah. Definite needed profile pic to see. How tall visit from your buffalo? Bills is on the practice squad or this may do work there. That's. Talk about it, isn't that? We have the picture him on the phone. There's a picture of you that we got on the phone. Take. Star from Boardman about the how about oh, oxidizing fingernails, what about your octagon picture? I want out. I was at this fight. I was this is the and fight. I don't want. This was this one on this. Didn't you fight material? I don't know what you want this. I want to do mean, that's through your mind right here. I want in on this. That's left. A little sorry. What were you saying? You look how about her seat to eighty. You look heavier in this page. You know, he won this is that right? Did you make out with any of the rat, the cage rats? I don't know what that is. So if that's not you that's your twin? Yes. I guess, bro. Just found if you people. Yeah. Any any shop lookalikes, and we got a bachelor, I don't know. I don't know the line. So that's good. I saw you. Yeah. Sure. I didn't see any that terrible story about that Barbour though. Yeah. Man. That's terrible. And you you were seeing that guy for a long time for a long time. You still go to the same place. Well, now that I moved far now find one around here. Yeah. All right. Good one. You like what I got going on or you do it yourself or really you pay someone paid when you when he doesn't himself. He can miss. Yeah. And then you go like, what am I doing saving thirty bucks? What's thirty dollar? Come on spend that on coffee. Come on. Yeah. I'm grown I should like badly. So wait, you you look out though on you've been doing this for days now four days. That's it four days of super strict when we are moving it's hard for me to stick to my diet, and workout. So are you going to have a cutoff point? Or are you trying to get like soup or trying to get healthy? I think I'm going to be really lean better yet, leaner, for sure I don't my Facebook like fucking gets stung by the bees. But that's your thing. Right. Aren't you the guy? Well, the b guy the like, I get the name. The stink comes from like stung by a bunch of Bs. That's what I'm saying. It's been all right. But you don't wanna get not the name of your podcast king in the sting. I thought it was the thing in the ring. No, it's the king in the sting. And then there's a fine the kid, but I don't fight anymore. But that you stick with it. So you're the you're this thing on the on the. Yeah. Staying near the states the king in the state. So feel things she has don't like him, by the way. Why I don't know. He's like he's 'cause we got done doing the show today. He's doing and I feel to show before that for Showtime when your nine shows. Yes. And gone on to do your mom south with with Tom Christina. He's he's like a heavy done before. I love him. He's like, Nope. They don't invite me, man. He's like, I don't think they like me. I think that from a road rules along you. I didn't know you're on that. Yeah. Nancy's on a season right before THEO. And I met him league in the nineties, dude. Like, I've known that guy for a long time window for a hot second comes through the night people coming up to us saying stuff like dude, look at us minute. Crazy this crazy that's crazy valley here. And he goes do I've doing 'cause I I've known feel for whenever two three years now. Like, isn't it crazy will start savings like dude I've coming for fourteen years? He's forget, I forget like I I don't know. I forgot how long. Yeah. Look at us doing it. And he's like what he talking about. Hey, did we mention the fart, Mike? No people in that, Mike. They absolutely do. Oh, well, so if you have a fart this is where he got his diet. Sure. Everyone gets pink. I wanna touch that. Are you want your on the heat a- genyk diet? Yeah. Heard what big daddy candid? And that thing. Far as good as he wrapped sommes. Oh, wow. He just got a thing of ripped into it. Yeah. And it was it was on rhythm. It was like, oh, wow. Good for him. Yeah. And Zan Kusak. And for us. So that we get gase. So you get going. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'll let you know. Probably. Yeah. Please do please. Don't be like, oh, I forgot to mention it. Okay. I'll see you in front of your lady, keep it sexy. Dookie this never for any my girlfriends or nothing. What are you doing? You have to make Brown. We'll have to take shit. Yeah. Go Mosey around you tell her. I gotta take shit. Give a separate secret have spot. Disappear you disappear. Yeah. Interesting. I've noticed that you have a nice piece of jewelry. My husband wants me to buy him a chain for his fortieth birthday chain. Just like a dope like a Cuban link. You being serious? Yeah. Yeah. What about the black? Try. Yeah. Oh my God. This is perfect. When did you get it? I got when I shot my special. Who gave it to you who gave it to you this guy? His name's chasing. Chase gregory. He does all the dodgers. Come on bought this piece from them this Honda. And then a he text me goes aunt you getting ready to your special at. Yeah. Here's I got some free. And then dropped that off. He just gave it to you to businessmen dome. Yeah. You'd bought things for him before. Yeah. Yeah. About my girls ring from him. Okay. That's really awesome. Chain looks dope. Looks looks real not. I'm trying to convince her time for free. I don't wanna spend like fifty grand on a chain. I think that's a low spent forty kick him. What's your forty four forty thousand for every year? Yeah. The rest of the show. All right. Try this one on too. Yeah. Golden diamonds now. Wait, what's the deal with this one? You bought this? You bought it from the same guy Saint guy. Can you have it? Let me see it. I well, this is heavy. Holy talking about got you Doug. He's living my dream. You can't nice cream up the chain, smells like Brandon smell. It. Sounds like your Cologne, dude, I wear that. If I go to bed in that. How did you gold whole when a good luck charm? My son had seizures this the day when we figured out CBD oil gets rid of them taken. He was not anymore. Thanks to C B deal. What was wrong real story? What's causing it? They don't know epileptic seizures. But the nine though, and then there's like all like doctors like let's put him on medication. Let's do this. Let's do this. And then I wonder these forms and the mom's like do not give them medication fucks up. Everything you're doing try CBD oil, and I have some friends who know some people in CDL business. I'm like I'm gonna try that fry try anything else tried. It hasn't had one since. And I got that chain when we figured out that the CD fix it. So it's how you feel right now. Look now, I look I like the handrail Hamsah somebody I like that wards off evil spirit. I like the shine Jewish and Muslim that I liked that my black diamond I like the gold more than the black diamonds on you. 'cause you wear so much black already. I think the gold pops. Set you up with the guy come to your house. Can't dude. Get your deal, you reach out to her shaking her head all ask for I hate, all I advocate. He looks all I want for my birthday is this and for you not to ruin my day. You know, God tell tell him your plans for. It's April sixteenth. So I told her she was like what do you do for forty? That was like, you know, maybe like do a track day at the racetrack have friends go take lab ACTA like a Porsche experience that kind of thing. Okay. And she was like, okay. Can I be involved? And I was like trying to fun the way he phrased it. He was like, you know, my friends, and I are just go try. Yeah. And I was like, well, I didn't say it like that. Like, okay. Can I kinda somewhat after like Zach cool? We'll pro going to hang out after you know, it's a full day. We're gonna get maybe celebrate the next day. Yeah. With the boys. Right. Get something to eat drinks drinks. Cool. She was going on the DMZ, you know. Birthday party. You guys birthday now? Now, I don't I don't do shit. Either. March. No this year. It's just really held. Are you going to be thirty five? You're young homie your very own am. I it. Really? Sure. All right. You're only forty dude thirty nine thirty nine thirty nine you're young east too. Yeah. I know. Finally. This. Happening. Older guy down but naked with his dick out. Yeah. Neom site small to medium size day, and that's small and shape. And he's dancing hit. He's not doing Brian. We think of moved. Little stiff immunity. Yellow Bassett city. But the point is his dog is swinging around these dancing. Oh, cool. Oh, friend, you only. So. DMZ actually. Around the world with that cockatiel. But do you think he's an older, man? Oh, no, no. I don't like the close. Spy song. You'll fuck. Oh, and then it's only. He runs out ideas goes bucket shake. Shake. Mac on on style. Even now. Other start. I think maybe trim the hair back. Slight or, you know, just. Kind of still flowing. Yeah. That's what happened. Here's some fluff. In that for sure. Belting. He's so no, he's originated Armadillo guys. The original cool guy. That's the presidency there. Right. Cool, man. I'm really digging jewelry. You look fresh, dude. Yeah. This is how you walk around all day. She hide it. When I go on stage distract. Oh, yeah. That makes sense though. But now when you shoot the special, especially I just had the one out for the special. No, I had the gold went out because for my son. This is this dude gave you this. Yeah. Man. It's pretty crazy. But did you have to do anything? You know, little Robert Kraft yet. Right. What's up dog your son? How about you want that chain you want that fick like Rick Ross chain? We've got fan. I mean, I'm down for any of it. You know, got, hey. Hey, it's birthday into rings DVD ring. I don't do rings. I'm the same race. No, watches, watches necklace. Yeah. That's the way to go. You know, airing no heart pass on the air kinda girly. Do you know anyone any dude with an airing? Black guys can do it. Right. That's true. The pull it off. Well, you have to. Yeah. You got that real beady? You're talking about you know, that big dick energy big dude energy. Yeah. Bro. Thank you. What about the what about your girl? She ended jewelry. Yeah. A little bit too liberal Jews. Are you're not are, you know, not really I'm not into anything. I don't really I'm terrible. I'm the worst person to I don't care every anything. He buys me. I'm excited about I'm just not. Did you get that dope of any Gucci? Next big thing. Yeah. That was cool. You're not into shoes purses. Not really lary. How you know? What I like what was talking about this before I get excited going to the grocery store and just buying whatever I want. You don't wanna feel mostly like a baller is when my fridge is stocked with diet cokes. That kidding. When I was a kid with my mom, go grocery shopping, and they'll they would be filled with all our favorite foods. I'd open up like, that's right. Yeah. I feel good. It's gonna be a good week. Yeah. I think for whatever reason that triggers that you like drinking cokes. Yeah. Open it up, and there's just a twenty four pack and I'm like fuck. Yeah. Doing stocked stocked beverage fridge feels good if you have a variety of pro that does drink diet drinks. I used to drink them a lot. I drink Zevia stuff a lot. Yeah. Fucked. Ziva? But I I do have a soft spot for especially if it's you know weeks or something gone by then somebody's like offers a diet coke that. But I don't buy it for the house. Really? Yeah. A stop because I'll go through like it's almost like, I don't know if I'm home I want some like a drink beverage. Yes. I'll go to like five six day. Really? Yeah. At home. I'd like to stick to just for the most part, water and coffee. It's real. I know, but I do like that me too. Yeah. Did you do you drink a lot of water, you gotta hydrate Deford drink water ever fucking athletes cared on athlete anymore. But I mean when you weren't it's raining. It's also a myth. So if you drink eight cups of coffee that still counts as fluids today. Radic that's still fluid said dia Rettig, which means dehydrating you, but it's still liquid. You're gonna get kidney stones and stuff that Hartfield eight right now. Although I was getting pretty sick from drinking so much coffee throwing up and stuff on sets. Yep. That's a doc alarm your body's just so acidic from all the coffee seriously. Yes, don't up in over. How much set is bad? How much were you? Were you drinking like sixteen eighteen cups a day? What there was no part before the throwing up told you that. Maybe there's too much felt great, bro. Really? Yeah. Too many jobs, and I was coffee how many jobs do we have right now? Because there's always fascinates me about you. You have a great workout. Let's break it down. Breakdown. Well, there's so my Showtime stuff would blow the belt, right? So I do that. And that's a that's why that's that's on Mondays cover fights that. It's like it's a fight show. Like, the beginning just my life, and then I break down fights. And inside information stuff like that. So that's Mondays. That's right. Yeah. I go from there and shoot fire in the kid with Brian count on Monday on Monday do both on land. This is every Monday every Monday. Okay. And then Tuesday, I shoot more stuff for Showtime below the belt, which it might be a food truck diary show where it's me and a fighter and we're at a food truck doing an interview at the food trucks, one the seconds. We do and I do king in the sting with THEO asks Tuesdays. Okay. And then you have stand up Tuesday nights at least to set doing sesame. Yep. Three tonight where you doing comedy store and the improv. Wow. So then Wednesdays at fighting the kid when you have a guest and Thursdays. I usually have enough. Something else for Showtime, and then stand up at night Fridays. I'm usually on the road or stand up here in LA. Wow. Hustling really real doing a lot of work though. We do we do still. It's not that crazy. I think you have a lot of different things going on onto fun to find the kid or the five days. I di- I hate that. I get the different how much are you wrote dog? And I was off the roof shot my special in January. So I get back on the road to March. Wow. Signing special typing guy. Good, really, San Diego. Yeah. Really really good spread the San Diego's. Do we know where does it have a home? He drops in may. Congrats. Thank you. Do. You have a name for it yet. You'd be surprised. Yeah. That's a good name. Yes. Can be fun, man. That's awesome back on the road. Doug. Yeah. That's exciting. Pretty exciting rack up those road dollars. Right. Yeah. Feel like we've lost all energy in our bodies. Do you know where all you know, where you go first excited? I'm going to Miami. The sixteenth. Miami improv. They've redid has. Right. They did everyone warns me about it have you been there. But now, it's worse drawl or I don't know. But I didn't Rogan warned me about it. Yeah. But that was the old one the old ones and coconut grove great. I thought the old one. No, the new ones going to be good new ones was to be good. They're dc. Miami improv. And then we just did Milwaukee we had in Milwaukee for the I think it's a third week in March paps theater. Yeah. Joaquin. Yeah. Great. Is it awesome? I've never done it. It's get worried about going to new markets. It's great plan. It's also the the best green room in the business. Really? Yes. So you better than commie works and Denver off. You can't compare. You can't compare it. Because this is a theater so you walk in and they'll be like a barista set up at a stand. And that you're in the greenery like who's this for like for you what? Yeah. And then there's a full record selection record players. There's old school, arcade games. Full sofas. Wow. Yeah. It's doped at ham. It's it's pretty unique. I'm pretty excited about Milwaukee. Because I'm gonna have been there long. Right. Yeah. Go Miami, Milwaukee and the end in March in DC DC, improv. There you go. I know all be on your site. T fat K dot com. T fat K dot com. Yes, sir. All right. Is there anything else to show? No, gene. No got you back on the road right now at the comedy store that much. Are on the road a lot right road right now. I'm there tonight. I'm coming tonight. I'll perfect. Yeah. The other night, right? Early spot us. Yeah. It isn't mine out by nine thirty dude. You're smart. I don't fuck are so nice. When in and out, I find myself turning down a lot of stuff because too late. I don't want to take away from my son that I know that's how I am. Do what not having him in nowhere? Now. Tonight, my spots. I've to sponsor eight fifteen and nine thirty perfect. One's ones at ten thirty booboo. But the no you wake up early for the kid when my son five thirty AM e-eh, bro. That's brutal. Right. Brewed all stand up at night. And then we come with a little one. Yeah. How I guess. We all do it gives man do that's how it is. When you get our kids together. There's no excuse now refunding next week other super close to each other. Yeah. So in here who I'll records. This whole in this is this whole Bill is just like a Rogan thing. So where here every week? Dr Drew's their love, Dr drew sip, by the way, has the biggest hog is a real. That's the facts I'm gonna ask Fateh stick from his boy fat as Jake. Okay. We'll ask him on the next Lasko ask them on after dark. It's a little bit of the first talk. But I'm telling you. Shit got up bring that up. It's like a pipe. I heard really I guess it's like crazy big. We gotta ask a lot of things making more sense. Right. Mike McCarthy is yeah. It was coast. Forever says he's the biggest dick. Oh my God. I was like he's Jags. Give see the you. See the biceps on that too. Yeah. He's he's in great shape. Looks great downplays it too. Which would make sense. He has the biggest dick energy like, yes. So calm and collected about it. And he knows he knows smart and everybody so much smarter high. Now Judy blows me way when he talks I'm like would take sit this round. Maybe it's because we're don't we don't hang around regular people or like educated people. We just hang out with comedian douchebag all the time. When he talks like, doctor talk. I'm always like nothing to add very cool. No way, man. Jake. Do you? So you got what else sicklers is here cycle sow starts recording in right? Yeah. Yup. Good, dude. Who else there's a couple of other that are don't want to? But there's a yeah. Couple alex. No, no, no. It's all good. It's all good. We'll just we'll just end it out. It's fine now. But the they'll be here soon Santino to edit this now, he's not he's not really now because he was going to and he started talking about like, you know, the commute. He's just doing his own thing. It's great. We're total fans. He'll be back as a guest, but he was going to do it here. And then he started to, you know, be like I'll have to do some close my place come head has to be here. So, but like, there's no there's no we're gonna have this this stuff out. We'll even really right? A killing it though. So are you man? Thanks, man. Thanks. Yeah, we're neighbors. Thank you for coming over live at the big Brown. We'll do it again soon. Hope love having you on do. Thanks. Thanks for helping Josh com. Yeah. Josh we keep me posted, man. Yeah. Yeah. He said, let me know when he bus that not I sure we're gonna have a party or something shot in frame, your emoji talk. I'll sign it. That's a good idea to get these screen shots of these conversations. It actually goes down. Yeah. If you finishes, then let's get this. We need the evidence we need see the trail party come parting, you're thinking. Josh a great idea. We're gonna throw you a party at Brennan's new house. Sky's on. So he can jump on trampolines with hope. Yeah. Bro. What do you think is that a good idea? Past. I'm totally down. All right. Yeah. Come party sounds great com. Par zone with the free freaks like the judges and shit. We do Dave and Buster's to them. Dave and Buster's, David bus, even better broS, Josh in bust. All right. I think that's it man. All right, man. I'm gonna leave now. I know what's going on. What do you mean? Funding asong. No. I was just waiting searching the web. Oh ordering nursing chain trying to forgive me. This very nice you shall gave me to fucking jewelry pieces just for visiting Christina. Meanwhile, won't fuck by one. A mistake. I'm gonna connect you. Oh my God. Please don't know. Please go to college. The fuck are you doing this where the fuck are you doing? You're acting get real mad at me fucking doing. Why are you doing if your wife asks you to scratch your head? Does she ask for head scratchy in bed? Yeah. You faction it? I'm a lover for sure. I mean, she's way more affectionate. She's Mexican the shit those to perfection it, you know, Greg rough. Yeah. A fighter Mun guess. I mean you see jewelry ship. You don't know where it came from? Chains changing them in definitely you want swag around the house or what my God prowl. It is how it is right now. So it is bam pow he was I I lean where obviously I laid next to him in bed. And then I ask for head scratches. Head-scratching? Yeah. It's just my currency. It's what I love with barter for head, scratchy. All it's gonna agree with me on this. Anyways, he won't give me the head scratches unless it's exactly my head is exactly work. Yeah. 'cause you're 'cause in yarn gets tired you form because I get tired. He's Li I'm laying our laying down. He can't bend his elbow like this right here laying. Look, you're laying down like to watching TV like I'm gonna go to bed, and she asked for has crash, you go, you know. Okay. You make it convenient. Like, you want the thing. So could you be where my hand naturally lays? She's all like over here. I'm like, well, then I have to go like this. So I'm like how about you just lay your head over? All I did was I just pushed her head, and then scratched their it's easier for you worked for you buddy to hear what he said he pushed my head last night. Like, I was a dog on the bed over the. Yeah. It's a little fucked up you could've asked, but I'm with him making it more. But he he could have asked about is kind of rude to push your head like it has gonna find after that. Now, I don't find on that. I pick my battles. I bust chops in joking just seem like you fight very much. Not really I'm in love him. You have to understand all you'd have to. I adore Thompson graph like a door. He really can do no wrong in my size. Which is probably I don't know. It's secret. I adore you to know, but I- actively I. I make sure he has treats in the house treats. Yeah. I feed him. I pet him. I love him. I do I love you. I do the same. You take care of me different, scratchy. So I go this is uncomfortable. Like twist my hand. I didn't look that. That is not what I did not dismiss it. We'll do do it. How you did it last? Here's your head. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you pushed my hand I kept scratching kept scratching and then one time Brennan, I was laying down sleeping, and he comes in I'm asleep. He comes in and my head's on the pillow. And then he starts fluffing his pillow, really. I am ING into sleeping dead sleep. But here's psycho. Here's what here's the truth. Wake up and. Here's the thing. I didn't know she was in bed. So. So that's when children it was just the two of us, and when that happened place. That's when you think I was I don't know where you were two bedroom apartment at that point. You know that that's the story you were covered up. And I didn't realize you bet. That's why I walked up to my pillow. And I was like this isn't fluff. And I smacked the hell out of smashing really got to get into. I was pending it then then you were like what's going. Oh, shut it. No. You're in here. That's that's what it look how you leave out like the most key point of story. Which was that? I definitely didn't know you were asleep in bed. Yeah. Mattis you've ever got at Tom. Oh, God just being get together for a hot second. Now. I'm trying to let me think on it. I don't I don't he doesn't do a lot to infuriate me. Hey, doesn't do a lot? I'm telling you do there have been close to go separate ways. No, never never. I mean. I haven't have you. It doesn't listen to me. Women are mother fought in Hayden cuts about this stuff. The you're a Tate's me like this. When he's on his push-button never listening at least five times a day after be like are you listening to me? Are you listening to me it's impossible to tax and listen. Sell store and so on the. Let's up on my Instagram. Ed, I'm on a roll today because women fucking stupid there you go. That's what I deal. What about you? And your lady, what do you think drives hurt? Busy about you. Tons of stuff does OCD, and she's like real clean. Oh, don't give a fuck. I'm too busy. Conquer another stuff here. There's a mass or something like that. I'll get to it. You know, it's not priority for me where both messy so that's a blessing. So then since you're both messy pace owned a clean it up. Absolutely. We always have. Yes. So worth it. Yeah. Yeah. No fights, you know. You know shit to do wasted tax. Not that important. Yeah. Not that important. What else do you on mostly not not listening? God the device the constant phone looking like your and then your phone. Yeah. I think most people are dope. The most ope. Everybody's a bit. Yeah. The most disciplined people, I know are dick to it. I try to do things now though, I where I will go in like play room with my kid a leave it on the stairs. I'll even on me usually Saturdays and Sundays. I'll just leave my phone upstairs. I don't touch my. That's a great idea. All if I've like show or something the phone week. I post that Moore in I just touch it. And most of my friends know that if they want to get hold of me up sense, they won't be around my that. I like that. Did you know that there's a feature that you can see how long how much screen time you've had? I shouldn't hops up. Now like you're down thirty cents from last week. You'll he spent four hours and thirty minutes a day. But does that. But I'm thinking, they're counting podcast. I was too. When I drive everything. I don't know is it are they I don't know. I don't know how they do it how it calculates horrifying have you seen that? Make you feel like a piece of shit when I'm trying to do this. My son's like daddy data on the public at this. You know, but it's business like I don't handle because he doesn't know what's business spryly all these phones. More important. What what did it right now? Got just Jesus stay. And it's always it's always urgent. There's always a reason. And she also always doesn't get it that like, there's a reason for there's almost reason there's always a reason. But here's the deal, man. Is that? People. Now, it's always business. But the reason it's always that they can get a hold of you know, twenty four seven problem. And if you if you let them get a hold of you instantaneously twenty four seven. Visteon to that. I want that message to come in right now. I know I want to respond to it. Okay. You waiting for important message. I'm communicating with him. So it's not that important. Well, it's the same please wrap get shot the fuck out. No talk about this song men like oh. The only, but then this is do it with with your torn. You know, what I'm saying like 'cause you on the road at singer take turns also, don't you don't you're not as on top of it as I am business. Of course, like you'll just that's fine. It's but that's what I'm saying. So then you're giving me a hard time about the. Can't both be the business. Not all the time. One of us has to watch the kids and take care of the kids. But even right now, it's like it's like, I'm not gonna make nor that right? They say he can only have one headshot in the household. But you guys are the only couple that's figured it out. I never heard that never heard that. I don't know. But I do think that I I mean right now, I've got a baby and toddler. So they're my priority. So he's back on the touring back on a lot of shit that they're the priority. Definite hundred full throttle. You would prefer that. I just don't pick up now. No on saying, I don't care right now. But I'm saying if we're at dinner, and we're all sitting around eating that. Yeah. Like actual real disciplined man to don't again, the most disciplined people, I know struck. Oh that sounds like this is some fucking addictive stuff, man. It is people are suffering from it. No, just one with the kids. I think that's what bothers me. What? Okay. You feel like that's an real issue over at the Cal. But that he asked me right now. I said no the only time bothers me is when the kids because that's the message. They get that. They're not as important as your text message was like you have a phone prompt on. Yeah. Figured this out. I feel like Dr drew right now I helped him with his fucking come emojis. Ship advice undocked. I just heard you on Dr drafter dark. You're saying how you like that Ari encourages you to put your phone down more. I do but you're not Ari, and you also. You're you're also completely unreasonable. Because with you were in charge of my phone. There would be so much shit that slips through the cracks and doesn't get done. I'm on top of stuff. I take care of business. But then you still are someone who's like God, you're on your phone. Yes. Handling business, but when home tire sewn to do this higher agent or manager? Agent or manager. Sometimes I'm communicating with them. You know, why do I have you foot by why why have a middleman when I'm doing it anyways? Yeah. Of course, man. Fuck and beasts though, it's a beast. Yeah. I don't know the there's a lot of people that I have to communicate with on a regular a lot. I hear you. I mean here there's people communicate with all the time then the other business people agents, but I also think condition where you feel like you have to respond. The after spun the takes, you know, that's true. You don't have to respond to shit. No. But there are Spahn ace app. Are you going to lose that show or you lose this or no, no? But there are things that like you also realize if I don't respond to this. I'm not going to remember to do. Oh, you're so you're worried if you don't all I'm saying listen to me, I'm not saying that he don't you shouldn't respond to your business stuff. I'm just saying there should be certain boundaries. Right. Like, I don't know when when your home with the family, maybe the phone isn't the main priority at seven o'clock more down with six. See just have boundaries and it protects you and gives you a chance to have arrests. Also man, you'll good. Yeah. Also feel so good. When I leave my phone somewhere gone the entire damn like L. Thank God, man. I agree. I've. What are you does has a flip phone social media? I wish man now I've forgotten or healthy at the house and been out entire day with nice. Yeah. You don't feel tied down by now. But I mean, leave it charging in rooms all the time, you know, like an addict right now. But we'll figure it out. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone has a problem. I mean, I'm sure if brought my girl in say the same thing exams, Tom. But I'm also mean more people are trying to reach me. Then you so now, look, I know I pay I I'm grateful that you handle all the business of he do genie know that you know, that come on come on the guy sent today. Okay. So what a breakthrough today. We have a brain dead Brenton to come back. So that we can do more of really may he listens to you. He listens to you. We need your jewelry on. Yeah. I got you. Yeah. Birthdays in April. Yeah. No more him. Thanks, bro. How right. Thank you again Brennan. Shop murder me highway, push shoot. Lack? Nothing. Nothing. Thanks. No, no. Or you think our cars with? Thing. Or you. Nothing. Corfo?

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Episode 014  Gimme Shelter  Transitional Housing Part 1  Its a Biz.

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Episode 014 Gimme Shelter Transitional Housing Part 1 Its a Biz.

"Hi, everybody. Welcome to realty speak, the podcast wear experts answer questions and share real world examples that you the listener can incorporate as part of your real estate investment strategy to build up revenue realized higher returns and retain more profit when you sell without further ado, here's yours truly no Widener. And this episodes guests today, I am very pleased to have with us. Richard Yao, the c o o of the not for profit Bronx parent housing network and attorney one Restrepo will be talking about a very interesting subject transitional housing. These are the buildings that are dedicated to be a supportive short-term home for the homeless until a more suitable permanent. Residents is arranged Richard one. Thanks for joining us today on realty speak. Thanks bill. Great to be here. Thank you. Great to be here. Thank you for having me. Great. Have both of you hear a one of you guys. Tell me a little bit about your backgrounds. Each one of you Richard shirt built I'll stop by talking about high. It came into this tight line of work. I started off the college graduate from year with the BA and economics and went into the finance world working for Mastercard International American Express and then later on a merge into the fields of economic development in government services. I worked in leadership positions for the local governments of New Haven and Bridgeport where I started falling love doing work with the community and helping the community and people who are in need. So I I went back to school, and I got an MBA in healthcare with baroque, and as it can school management in partnership with Mount Sinai using that I worked with a lot of nonprofits in New York City, particularly over the last ten years or so and some of the. Agencies. I work with include the lights of national association on drug abuse problems. The FitzGerald house at us with veterans housing urban health plan FQHC federally qualified health center, a number other agencies in the areas of housing, healthcare, and and supportive services. So that got me into I am today, you know, leading into different agencies. I'm working now as the chief operating officer for Bronx paren- housing, which requires you know, all the expertise again over the years from private sector in financing to public sector and government services in in the nonprofit willing consultative -ly. So that sort of who I am when I do. Wow. That's great very Elias background a one. How 'bout yourself? Thank you Bill. A went to Saint John's University School of law have over ten years of experience working in the real estate sector, primarily I started working in the land or ten in field and really stay litigation. Fields from there. I moved onto previous law firm billing also at the same realm of real property. Gatien construction litigation some transaction matters commercially scene, and since then I opened my own law firm about a year ago focusing on the same areas, but also now and if the fields of community development, economic development, construction and development in general real estate matters along with the real property litigating and commercial leasing very glad to have you both here. I'm very excited about what we're going to be talking about today, which is transitional housing, which is really not a subject that's talked a lot about in the investment real estate world. But once I sat down with the two of you when I had a better understanding of it. I realized that this is something we really need to talk about on realty, speak, Richard. Please tell our listeners exactly what transitional housing is. Because they may not understand. I know I did. And then when I first sat down with you. My idea of this was a shelter big open room that had a lot of beds and facilities for people to go to if they will Hungary or was too cold outside, and when I found out after sitting down with both you and one this is actually not the case. Please explain to our listeners exactly what transitional housing is. And where does the housing come from? It is not catering to so the lay public, you know, when people think about transitional housing, let's say I asked a college student what a transition goes it. Well, I'm crashing on my friend's couch. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about in the context of public infrastructure. Talking about poke ramps that help people and specific people who are in a housing situation where they do not have permanent housing with all transitioning from situation with homelessness or their need of some kind of housing to stabilize their living situation from public. Infrastructure in public program standpoint transitional housing, it's housing that is provided to people who apply to a public agency. Whether it be in the city or state, domains or certain counties who oversees in your city, obviously, this is the department of homeless services, which people can apply to and obtain transitional housing, and these are housing units that are managed by various operators, primarily not for profit agencies, and they provide the short term mid term housing, and those terminology tend to have different meanings shortern can be anything from thirty days to sixty or ninety days midterm coming up to a year or even two years. There isn't a defined duration for transitional housing. It depends on the type of program the people that are served in outcomes of those programs. So it could have various durations so transitional housing covers all of those type of situations. So you talked about an operator Bronx parent housing network, which you're the COO is one of those operators that correct? That's correct. And they're not for profit. Yes. That's correct. What do they operate? They operate their own buildings. They operate someone else's buildings. How does that work? We operate transitional programs in the context of the short-term emergency housing such as a emergency hotels that cater to people who are immediate needing overnight and Verschoor term housi- to transitional programs that we quiet certain services on site. So we operate those by contracting with the city funding. Sources various locations for designated types of populations whether it be families with children, for example, people who adult couples or single individuals coming from the city's referral system. Brown's parent housing do provide those kinds of housing and we operate them through Lisa's long-term. Leases with landlords. We do not own the buildings we lease them. And we operate those programs on behalf of contracts with city government. So this is an opportunity for landlords with the residential buildings to lease them to an operator like Bronx parent housing network. Then you operate it. And they don't have to worry about the building anymore. They are receiving I guess a monthly rent as a result of this lease Feth ideal situation for any land. I think because if they own a building, and they don't know what to do with it. They want to have a continuous source of stable income, and they negotiate a lease with some agency like us. They get one ten in check which is from us once a month, which is pretty much guarantee by a government funding source. It's a mutual beneficial relationship between the opera nonprofit, and the and the landlord and the benefit to the government because they're looking for buildings like this Richard what type of bra? Nobody's the generally deal with are these more like three family dwellings or more than six units. Or we talking about that a units forty units in the building. I this is the older buildings or newer buildings nuclear structure, and what are you dealing with Juan? Thanks for asking. For Bronx parent housing network right now portfolio, and now target on buildings is whole building's generally thirty forty plus units of housing that will cater to people who are homeless in terms of the programs we serve, but in general speaking, and in the future to and currently there is a strategy for us as well as in the world of transitional housing that units that are what we call scatter site individual apartments in buildings are available that can also serve as a resource to deal with the situation a homelessness. We call that scatter site programming potentially land will with multiple buildings with a couple of units available in each camp put together program with an. Operator like us, and every programs very different our portfolio now do kit tend to work with logic buildings because that is the need at us with the critical situation homelessness now in the city of New York. Do you do you have any scattered sites in the portfolio? We don't personally, but we do oversee a master program asked the contract that does work with the operator stem, operate these scattered site programs for our own portfolio that we do not manage that right now homelessness is a problem and a challenge not just in New York City, but in many communities all over the world, certainly in the United States. Do you have some statistics on homelessness, and with that could you also tell our listeners, what is homelessness are the different categories of homelessness. Let's start there. There are different categories homelessness. When people talk about homelessness, a lot of just, you know tip. Michael lay people with look at who's not in this industry. We look at homeless people sleeping on the streets. The the guy returning as a veteran with a dog, you know, on the side of the street with a little Pablo saying, I'm home as I'm a veteran. You know, you see that every day when you walk by new city streets, that's one form of homelessness, the Streep homelessness, but homelessness is much broader and bigger than that people who have a situation like a fire, for example, the buy buildings burnt down. Where do they go? Some of these people may not have local resources, so they would need transitional emergency housing that is a form of temporary homelessness that people have there are people who have mental illness who are on the street. They don't even show their faces. They may be hiding under nookie corner under the subways. You never see them. There is quite a number of those. Then we call those people who are in that kind of situation not just for mental illness health health, but because. Substance abuse or because of off disabilities. They end up in the Quantocks situation home, and so the chronic homelessness, but the majority home isn't about eighty percent of those do fall into some transitional phase, they lost their jobs. They went through the west violence situation to exit a hospital. There's no place to go to though they transition bat for maceration into transitional housing. Does that include people that also exiting correction system? It does actually people who do come out of the correction system to have focused transitional programs there. Help them both estate in the city worked together to create those kinds of programs and their operators that focus on those Bill. It also includes actually people that actively employed, you know, like you made they're making maybe minimum wage, and because of the situation affordable situation your city that can noted Ford to pay near a city rents people that can not Ford to move out of New York City or that they. Don't have experience living anywhere else. You know? Maybe they grew up in New York City, and they're afraid to explore other areas and decide to stay near city while not earning enough money to pay the rent actually wanted to bring them. A really interesting fact the biggest contributor to homelessness in your city is lack of affordable housing. That's very for people think about homelessness is is not just mental health disability or momentary situation of domestic violence, mental health that sort of thing, but actually the veil ability of affordable housing units in this city is the reason why a lot of people are transitioning in these homeless situations. The can't find affordable housing. Let me give some staff in New York City two thousand eighteen has been the by far one of the high points in homelessness. That's not a good thing to say that the in the history of homelessness right now. We're in the worst situation ever. There's over sixty thousand people on any given. Day living in the homeless units managed by these operators we talking about and this last year in the city reported over one hundred twenty thousand people have gone through the homeless situation being housing shelter. Translator program funded by the city and was really sad to know is about a third of these children, and they all with their family members. They are transitioning because the situations with apparent laws of job, and they can't find a foldable housing. That's where we ought today and the city is in in a mode where they need to create these transitional housing cater to particularly families with children in this crisis situation. What are some of the opportunities for landlords with existing housing stock, and developers that are interested in developing around this concept for developers, obviously, you know, having land and accessing. Capital and building up a building for particular us. There is a strong partnership a triple partnership between the developer, the nonprofit operator and the city to work together and come up with a solution to help address this homeless crisis now develop a certainly should be one of the key interest apart. It's a com to either the city or the nonprofit operator with a idea in my well, I got this land. And I want to help you what do I do? And the typical process is nonprofit like us would work with the local developer with the land. And discuss with them what their interests are in terms of the type of building the gonna built and what other needs that we can address with their building, and we work out concept together. And then we'll take it to the city if they're interested at that point, we formalize that into a business agreement and reform allies with some kind of application to the. Eighty two to vet that project. There's a lot of hurdles that project needs to get through. And I'm sure who on later can talk a bit about sort of those kind of community sign off planning sign offs. But there's various hurdles both from the community the public and the government agencies at large though for for developer, Richard, obviously have the incentive of getting a public monies, right usually managed through HP near city housing, preservation and development of new they have a couple of programs, then New York supportive housing loan program offers different incentives for building buildings where the percentage of the units must be dedicated to transitional housing which with intent of those units either transition out of transitional housing and become impermanent permanent house in in the mortar foldable basis, which is not really the topic of of this of this discussion today. Way. In addition to maybe a combination of packs credits through the state or city levels. So for a developer definite incentive will be in building. Generally, what I see is to partner with a non for profit who will be offering to be more hands off, a nonprofit as ready vetted has experienced with the city who can manage these type of products in receive or maybe triple net, the building entirely the portion of the building do these not for profit and getting a substantial return back in in terms of the rent while the non for profit is getting the majority of the funding through the city agency, which you had described to me a project where the entire building was leased by Bronx parent housing network. It was a new built, correct? Yes. Yeah. And how long did that project? Take this one that I won't name specific addresses, obviously. But you know, this one example that you talked about talk about. Out two years from the moment, the landlord came to us and said, this is what we wanna do. We're building. It would you like to take over this building when we finish. Actually, it's less than two years about a year and a half. I'm looking into all the way back to the building was planned out from that discussion. Going through the hurdles that we just talked about. And then working out the budgets to leasing it took about a year and a half the bulk of the work actually was in the last six months seeing this building choline up on the skylines. You actually see it billion built every day going to check it out walk throughs, and so forth. Meanwhile, we're working out the kinks of what what is the least look like we discussed the terms of the lease. We work with the city to ensure these rents we agree are provable. And that the city has vetted through their various approvals for those numbers because ultimately, the pledge it needs to be sustainable financially. So once we have that cleared, we work with the city agencies in developing the staffing plan, the various unit counting each unit will be catered to the type of population that will be served as Aina program in terms of the service model and the various needs even including how trashes being picked up. What the trash out? Look like how often is the trashing picked up. How is food being served and address them whether the nutritional values of each of the meals, and we're getting very Michael detail. So there's allow planning getting involved in during that year and a half. What's the difference between you know, typical affordable housing market rate housing and this transitional housing in terms of the way, it's laid out and occupied. You ask. That question Bill as if there is one template for a shelter that isn't it's like you're asking what does a senior housing look like assisted housing. It's different depends on what kind of population this program will serve and the zoning for that building. And how he's built a how many stories every building is different. And every project is uniquely designed with this one gram boy brought up a year and a half planning involved over design site in developments. I in on the programmatic side, what kind of people will be going into. These apartments and rooms how will they be used is it going to be individual apartments or share a room scenario? Those all open to discussion and vetted by the funding agencies to give example, a typical shelter. Let's say for a family, which is an apartment with say two bedrooms in it and this shelter has forty of these apartments. So there's a large building like say seven or eight eight floors high with forty apartments that have one to two bedrooms, and depending on the size of family a family. Couple husband and wife with a child may go into a one bedroom or two bedroom, depending on bail ability the type of population, certainly is designed with the initial planning stage of who will be served, and how many will be served against the unit count in the makeup of those types of unit. So there isn't one specific template for what the shelters were looked like they could have. Various forms, and looks and tastes. It depends on again the agreement between the landlord and the operator who they want to have in their building that does play into decision. And what does the city need in that location, and whether critical mass needs now in terms of homeless issues, and then we are in the middle to try to triage that. And then we come up with the solution. Everyone agrees to Richard. We also have different types of arrangements. Right. A lot of times the developer or the owner of the land or an existing building may wanna do something else. So let's say there, you have Sony issues or classifications that's more towards the construction side of things you have a New York City approvals. Maybe you have to go through Europe approvals. You have to go through the first process of New York City. He needs to be vetted by city council. The different things that's more on the development side. Things when you have an existing building. And just doing a major renovation. You don't have a lot of those huddles. Right. He just internal or something. They just hire did general contractor, and you do the work. You do the major renovation. But in terms of what Richard stalking about us to getting a not for profit provided to operate a shelter that building you may have to go to just the regular city processing in having a shelter contract approved. That's more community board comment, there's an interplay here. Also with a local Representative and local community in politics. So that covers the landowner would be developer with vacant land building something in which the use will be specific to this transitional housing program. What about existing housing stock landlords that own buildings that may become vacant over a period of time or have market rate tenants that when their leases end they can keep. The unit vacant what about housing stock like that? And then also tell me a little bit about buildings that have rent stabilized, rent control tenants in them, and maybe the inability to use that housing stock as transitional housing I actually went through scenarios of develop programs in those two types of housing existing housing stock where the entire building is vacant and the building Lanta wants to renovate it for specific use. And then the other alternative where there's a few units occupied by rent control, tenants and the other are open to various uses. We're starting with the whole building existing stock. It works very similar to a brand new building. You just need to get through the discussion of the three partners the city agency the land all and their use. And the nonprofit operator in development in the program and decide on the base on the location the size of the building in the unit counts and the makeup and. This busy needs of the city agencies where where they priorities in that area where the priorities in terms of off the current housing homeless situation, and then the nonprofit in our expertise where do we fall in that? And then come up with the program, they're fit to everyone. And there's always a way to find solution on the other end it little tricky when there is some of the population in the building already involved in some other form of rental assistance program, and you try to fit in another type of transitional program in there. It does happen and it does happen regularly. I mean, it's not just about the city is about city is about state county and federal funding as well different operators access funding and program resources to support the transitional program in these units that are not fully in the whole building. So there's different types of expertise. I needed for that. So Bill you actually just raised something that is actually. Point of controversy in his is very recent fast year in the City, New York, mayor de Blasio announce it with respect to the closer units in your city to star facing out of this cluster system, or in all those units that were located in either entire building. So the rent stabilize or units that were containing rent stabilized buildings to that were rented out to the cloister now for prophets operators to to start being registered gains as rent stabilized. Units is a little bit unclear. Whether if those units were vacant the moment that the required to be registered or there were occupied whether or not there would be accent from rent stabilization, definitely the buildings that were rent stabilized in their vacant that they need to reregister as rent stabilized. I think the answer is easier than those units will go back into rent stabilization. I for example, have an entire building whose rent stabilized was leased out to an offer profit entity. For New York City closer system. And now they're still occupied because his very difficult to get an entire building vacant. Right. Non for profit addicted from one of these transition out of one of these buildings the occupants themselves. Do not have a direct lease with the building. There's been litigation that was commend forget. Whether it was legal aid or legal services in New York that commends a legal action to claim that these occupants were entitled to the protections of rent stabilization, and therefore demand will need to give a direct rent stabilized. Lease to the occupants, I just read an article in October two thousand eighteen related to the lawsuit. The Joe sided with the with the city of New York saying that this unit that are still occupied do not fall within the Ambit rent stabilization. And I believe that decision is being appealed or will be appealed. So this is still kind of in a gray area is still being litigated and in the appellate process. So let me understand this. This is a building that was one hundred percent leased so let's call it a double or triple net lease to a nonprofit agency to be used as transitional housing. The occupants of that building are people that needed those services, and then the agency that had leased the building from the landlord was exiting out of that agreement. And now the people that were in the building said that they should benefit from rent stabilization laws. Correct. And and the court actually did not side with them. Correct. But you say it's it's going into appeal. So there's a little bit of a uncertainty around this in terms of you know, what the outcome will be down the road the one hundred percent, correct. If that building was one hundred percent market rent before it was leased to the. Agency, by the landlord would that change things? I think it will. I my opinion is that. Yes. Because then it's not subject to rent stabilization to begin with. So it just so it was a building that was subject to rent stabilization prior to this agreement with the agency, and the landlord actually that brings up another point the units that are typically rented out to non for profit operator. They get referrals from the City New York people out of the shelter system calming to these units through a referral City New York, and they do not enjoy the same benefits of of the regular tenant. Right because they don't have a lease directly with the landlord. Right. But there's an interplay of different laws in your city. For instance, most people are aware that if y'all ccupied a unit for more than thirty days in New York City, then you consider to have tenancy rights. So that complicates things a little bit in a rent stabilized building if the unit if the building was rent stabilized was rent stabilize was buddies, listen out. To a non for profit entity for the units use for non for profit purposes than it is an exception to rent stabilization become sick, except from rent stabilization until the units vacated here. This was happening peeved either unit is making I think is clear that it will go back to rent stabilization. But a lot of these units is still being occupied right in this this occupants on this call them guests or whatnot. They're still there. So how do you treat these people in the still occupying these units, but they don't have an actual lease in the city Joe side it saying that they don't enjoy the benefits of the the court. I will say Joe sided with the city stating that they don't enjoy the benefits of being a natural tenant. Right. They're more like licenses. So the licensee or the guest of that apartment moves out, and it becomes vacant and it was previously rent stabilized. Then the rent stabilization would float. Through to any new regular tenant. I guess correct. But the individual that's there now doesn't enjoy that benefit because they have a completely different relationship with the building the apartment, the landlord and so forth. Correct. Very interesting is still up in the air. Let's see what comes up over of potential pill. All right. Great. Hey, folks, just gonna take a quick break here and share with you that episode fourteen is the part one you are listening to and very special bonus part to that will be released in a few days. Partout will explore the roots of Bronx paren- housing network, and the remarkable story of the personal transformation that took place the Victor Rivera. The CEO of BPA Chen homelessness is a crisis that stems from many different circumstances. And from the outside those circumstances may seem insurmountable victor's personal journey from someone who actually was in this situation at one time in his life to where he stands today is a testament to what is possible when one makes choice exercises discipline and pursues a mission filled with passion to create positive change for others. It is not to be missed. So let's get back to Richard and one to finish up episode fourteen part one and keep an eye out for part two and a few days. Well, that all sounds great for the landlords. And his sounds great for the non for profit. And of course, the people that are using the transitional services, but at like, no one, Richard. What are some of the nuances around the gauche? Eating leases who pays why? What happens when things go up? I understand. There's really no real estate tax benefit for anybody in in this particular situation, which is not like there is when you develop something in a four twenty one eight program where a portion or all of the building is affordable housing talk to me a little bit about that the certainly benefits to doing transitional housing in to work in with a known for profit provider that this kind of guaranteeing the rent payment to the nine stable rate. The then if you getting. Through the regular market. And this is because you get in a non for profit, basically pain for all the units at once and that ran being guaranteed or being paid by the city. So you have a more steady cash flow is steady flow of rents coming in. But on the downside and interns of you know, negotiating the leases, and what you could expect from from some of these arrangements. Obviously, the first thing that comes to mind is that is not a quick process. Usually takes months we've been situations working with BPA Chen that is taking us eight nine months to try to close out negotiations alone. So if you have a building that you sitting bacon, right? And we're going through this process for eight or nine months, you loosen out in the rents for the time period. That could be one drawback the second thing that comes to mind is that in this type of arrangements. We usually dealing dealing with three pot net leases or double net leases, and what that means is that. The tenant takes all of the operating expenses real estate taxes and insurance caused an pay those costs are pass through to the tenant, and historically, you know, when you work with a non for profit entity in a transitional house in sheer they housing for profit entity. It was a mid that cost the city, and obviously maybe what would a markup right for the operation of the of plays. And then the city will pay it thus changing relatively. And so the city is not blind the signing a check this days is a lot more regulation more oversight and more transparency and Richard talk about it. And so not all of the costs that are associated with a build it would necessarily be pass through to the for profit provided and the landlord made up having to pay for some of those operational costs the thirteen that comes to mind is that when you're negotiating this leases the land or the building on an Easter understand that ultimately, even though you do have a sign Lee. This is subject to the city contract approval. When we negotiate one of these leases statistically, a provision that says, the operator will take over and lesson in in the event of new construction the commencement date of that lease will be the day that the product is substantially completed with all the proper permits and temporary certificate of occupancy. So the agency could move in and start putting you know occupants in there, but the city contract will get approved sometime later, and he goes through different levels of approval. I the agency than needs to get signed by the city controller's office filed and that timeframe typically, no ninety or more days. So for the first nine year more days, the Lander with typically not be receiving any rent at a lot of landlords. Do not like that. Right. They have to cover the cost for the first couple of months of the lease. Now, there is a program where the north appropriate provided could apply for a breach known to cover some those coast. In the meantime, but that's also separate process. The rich. Or do. Do you have some say, yes, I think you know, you hit online those points. The upside, obviously is income to the landlord the there downsides to particular in the beginning phase of a project like this for transitional housing misused his city shelter transient housing programs example, that they're all going to be the first of three to six months, generally. Speaking might take some time to get the cash flow in in terms of through budget approval process contract process, before you know, money is exchanged from the operate nonprofit to the landlord, and the landlord needs to have the understanding that needs to come to the stipulations in every leases different depends on how what the stomach they have how long they wanted to take that the landlord then they will put that into the lease. So there are different ways to do that. Of course, different nonprofit organizations have different tools. They have or example with us. We have a line of credit. Sizable, we can manage casual that will essentially we help front front the city until those for city funding comes through and there are times where we need to escalate to the city about Suzuki project wise, delayed the city is a bureaucratic system, and they have to go through the approval process believe personally that in the last twenty four months the city has sickness significantly improve in their ability to cross between a various departments from programs financials to the department budgets, and planning that approves these budgets, and then they'll sign also McConnell is office. So there's a process there. And I think they're streamlining it there's a lot more transparency. And there's a lot more sorta partnership between the Landau nonprofit embassy everyone sees there's a huge crisis out there. And we gotta make this work. I don't think you know, personally that the city is trying to keep money from the nonprofit, nonprofits keeping money from the landlord. No one's doing that. But the. Reality is it takes time to improve on a system that's been out there for a long time that is going through changes, I putting new clothes on and they used to some old clothes. They don't want to get rid of. So that's kind of where we are today. The way I see it in terms of transitional housing in the city and funding. I just thought about something else what Rachel restocking potentially other throwback. I'm calling drawbacks only. Because obviously is an issue of economics in the Martin. So what could be a drawback, it's not necessarily bad. Right. He just need to adjust to it. And I did this an adjustment is not a bad investment in Seoul is try to turn people away from from doing transitional housing, especially London's developers. But these are some of the things that they need to consider in Richard just thoughts upon that. There's a lot of city oversight the agency the has has a lot of oversights of the non for profit and the building at any given point of the city could come in. And he spent the building and basically terminate the city contract with the agency evasive bad operator. And what happens if the city contract is terminated? So this usually cross St. recall it cross default provision where the city basic coming in takeover in place in other operator in there. But that transition periods usually very messy when I say terminated the contract is stopped funding it and if the agency the non for profit is not being funded and the rent is not getting paid. Right. So during that transition period, if the city's not making the direct payments to the landlord, which I don't think that happens often and the Lonner is holding the bag, right? So is definitely another thing to consider. It doesn't happen often. But there has been situations where you have non experience. None vetted non for profit operators that are doing this. Right. And they're falling in trouble in. I think there's various examples of that would be actually has taken over other operators to try to turn some some of these buildings around. So I have two questions around that point that you. Just made what's the typical term for these leases between the not for profit and the landlord typically twenty years, and you usually have through three or four renewal options when a years, so once you put your housing stock into this program that's pretty much where it's going to stay is long term. And that actually also talks about something else to consider. It's a misconception a lot of people think about transitional housing like you said about the shelter people coming on the streets walking down the sidewalks throwing garbage in front of the building doing graffiti people associate shelters. We may be a community that is experiencing distress such as poverty, lack of housing stock extreme rim burden of industrial necessarily the case have shelters located all throughout New York City in different neighborhoods, a different income levels and different zones now with that set loader landlords still have the misconception in they thing when they're bringing a shelter in this going to diminish the character. Or the quality of the building. And if you have a long term lease for twenty thirty years with this type of occupancy, they may think that the volume of the building is going to diminish instead of increasing which I think is a misconception. They're not thinking in terms of the, you know, the income that they're going to be getting you know, almost guaranteed for term period of time in the hands of approach. But the thinking about the loose in the equity on the product because it being occupied by a shelter. I personally don't think that the case, but you have that misconception out there. Well, my second question around that point was and you've answered the first one twenty years with options. My second question is if you have the bad operator and the city terminates the contract stops funding, the not profit because they're basically being removed from the agreement and they're gonna put another agency in there. Another non for profit rather in there. Is there a way that the landlord can then say, you know, what I don't wanna do this anymore. Vacate my building give it back to me. Now, we're really getting into the difficult portion of it. Which is you know, how to how do you vacate a forty unit building all the people there are in the shelter system. This is transitional housing, right? It's not like they're living there permanently. They can go to another transitional housing is extremely difficult is this encouraged taking forty people to court him. Any us licensees will will be you know, in my experience in housing court, typically, not less than six months per tenant per occupant in, you know, to for those issues to be resolved. So usually go with the road less resistance and have a somebody else they covered that shelter. So is is not a straight answer is very difficult. You know of a situation where this happened and the landlord said, you know, what I don't wanna do this anymore. Gimme my building back. So I can talk a little bit about that. Because we actually did go into two situations where we help. The city and the land will take over failing operators again think about the three partners in this situation to deal with the homeless crisis. The issue is you got individuals living in these buildings who are considered homeless or at risk of homeless. So the city has designated this building work with them to develop a program there, and then the operator is operating, and then you got to operate a failing what happens next. The other two partners is still there the city and the landlord, so they better talk. They are gonna come up with solution. And the solution generally is I mean, how get into contracts and procurement for the city. So the city is going to go out there and say, well, we have emergency situation here with this building these buildings and operated by this this nonprofit that's failing. Now, I need a folks out there other nonprofits to raise their hands and wants to take this one over, but it has to go through a a fair public process. And I don't want to get through deep into that. Essentially their procurement rules and nonprofits apply for that. For example. We did. And we were able to obtain a couple of these buildings that we wanted to oversee and the city agree to that. And we were with the Landau Atlanta. Now, it's back to intact relationship. So that's the best situation that can come out. There are times when the land was is. No, I don't really like this. This is taking too long to get paid. And I don't care. Whoever is going gonna come in. It could come back again. I don't want to do with this at all. It's a difficult situation for that for Orlando because they don't have a contract directly with the city. They had it with operated this failing. So they will put themselves in a bind where they now potentially like kwanza SU forty ten to me victim. And then they're in a black hole of the rules that guy with these individuals are in a transitional where so they have every wherewithal to work with the city to to solve that problem in the city. You know, will not does not have an incentive to keep them in the dark because they have to deal with that crisis of those people living there. So there is a mutual benefit for both. Them to talk and resolve this situation, whether or not there will be new operator in there. How many buildings is be ph. N Bronx parent housing network operating at this time, we have a good fifteen plus buildings. I said, plus because we also oversee a master contract have other buildings that we we manage other stewing this kind of work, but we have buildings that from the emergency side dealing with hotels, all the way through to transitional shelters that are just a brand new buildings that we work with the landlord and the city to vet this for like, I said a year and a half to get a project in place. The we've done this over the last seventeen years now with much of the current buildings that we operate coming online in the last three years, particularly because the city has a significant need to deal with the crisis of homelessness, and there aren't as many experience operators. As there should be out there in New York City. We've talked about the benefits and the possible challenges around this for existing housing stock developing transitional housing the agency department of homeless services, we've talked about the operator of being the nonprofit agency as BPH N is. And we've talked about the long term commitment that everybody is making with the operation of the site. Have you had any experience around one of these sites then being put up for sale where someone else's buying it? You bring a very timely topic. Actually, it happened to us recently literally in the week ago. We have a site that we oversee in the land also sold it to another owner, and we don't need to be in that equation of decision and discussions. We actually just find out about right because you're there you're the tenant where the ten and and the new landlord is subject to that lease is that correct? Correct in any smart landlord will of course, look into the least to do that put a half that kind of provision protect themselves. They want to sell it to a new landlord. What that leads with? Then transferable assignable in no one can throw all those terminologies to us. But that is the situation we did. And and it's a very smooth transition nothing happens because the lease put relationship intact and the new owner of the building obviously knew exactly what they were purchasing. Correct. There's an interesting situation, also and another type of arrangement. And I think we didn't talk about this was he sublease? Twitchen say what they would BPH doesn't have a direct lease with London. But they have a sublease in that creates bit more challenges because then you have two different documents that protects the non for profit from the their their sublease being terminated in the event. Like, for instance, there's a new entry communist accessory that through for closure or through a sale in a celebration. Typically, yes, all those contracts are assigned, but in foreclosure situation, a lot of those contracts are cancelled their terminated. And so how do you deal with that? That goes now into the newness of foreclosure in. What does the judgment of closure Hulas a covered with doesn't cover? I personally have not had to deal with us tuition. A micro or my experience, but Ican happen, right? So I could tell you right now from experience, you know, in the subway situation negotiations we typically demand was calling on disturbance agreement that protects agency from their sublease being terminated India. Then that the. Main of the mastermind goes falls into trouble right either with amendment or win the over the master wondered in those are heart negotiate a lot of Landers one of her serve the, you know, their control and the right to to take back the space. So couldn't the agency the not for profit agency. Protect their interest in the lease by making good on the financial obligations that are being foreclosed on. Yes. The may may happen. Not a simple situation is not a simple transaction. There's definitely a lot of benefits a lot of pros and cons. But do you need to consider all those things put in Valance in sees is a good investment from developers from land owner to go into this type of arrangement. There's no doubt that all the players in the context of transitional housing are making a huge commitment to the complexity of the process to make. This happen in order for people to have a place to go. And they don't have a place to go on, you know. That's that's a that's a fantastic mission. It really is a Bill e Iran's night with the with the nearest city is a policy on ending homelessness than the mayor's office plan on developing lease. What is a fifteen thousand units of transitional housing, which was announced recently or in full house in I believe, it was three hundred thousand units is all in line with the mayor's plan of emission or helping resolve the homelessness it wasted in New York City. How else can you resolve that issue if not by providing transitional housing and affordable housing, you have a lot of support from the city? And so it is a good investment opportunity for Landers and building owners because the city definitely is behind this push to end homelessness near. Well, you know, we're running out of time and victories here. And I'm really looking forward to speaking with him as well one Richard that was exceptional. And I really appreciate both. You take time this morning to be with me and talk about transitional housing. I'm sure listen is have learned a lot. However, they may have some other questions for you. Or maybe even wanna talk to you about professional services around this. One. Could you tell us how to get in touch with you? Sure. Thank you Bill. So you could rich me at five one six three one six oh three to eight by phone by Email. Jay Restrepo is our ES T as in Tom R E P as in Peter oh at again Restrepo PC dot com or you can visit my website WWW Restrepo PC dot com. WWW Restrepo BC dot com. Richard Abba yourself short. I can be reached at nine one seven eight three three four two to four in. My Email is our dot y eight oh at BP H n dot org. That's Bronx parent housing network. The website is WWW dot B as p is in paper as health and is in network dot org at WWW dot B, P H, N dot org. And then both you guys actually gave your phone numbers. Didn't you? That's correct. I just did. Right. So there I contact. Yeah. So it's a pretty direct contact for both of you saw. Appreciate that. Thanks again. One and Richard. Thank you Bill for having me. This was great. Thank you Bill. Well, there you have it. For part two of episode fourteen. 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I Fought the Law... (ep 151)

Your Brain on Facts

28:00 min | 2 weeks ago

I Fought the Law... (ep 151)

"Lifelong drifter and frequent nonviolent criminal. Clarence earl gideon was charged with breaking and entering with the intent to commit a misdemeanor which is a felony in florida in nineteen sixty one at trial. He asked the court to appoint him a lawyer because he couldn't afford one. The trial judge refused saying florida law. Only called for court appointed counsel for capital offenses at trial gideon represented himself and he didn't do half bad for a man who only completed the eighth grade making an opening statement cross examining witnesses and presenting his own witnesses despite his best efforts though the jury found gideon guilty and he was sentenced to five years in prison. And that's when gideon's fight really started. My name's moxy. And this is your brain on facts. If you know the case gideon v wayne right. You have a sense of what we're talking about today. People who have taught themselves the law and prevailed in a battle so slanted it's basically straight up and down and there are a lot of people fighting that fight from inside a prison cell in new york. The king's county district attorney's office released a report examining how and why these special convictions. Review unit in brooklyn exonerated. Twenty five wrongly convicted people in the five years between twenty fourteen and twenty nineteen prior to being wrongly convicted. These twenty five persons had served an eye watering four hundred and twenty six years in prison to the sad surprise of no one. Twenty four of the twenty five were black or latino. Those twenty four served an average of over seventeen years in prison. The one white exonerate had served no prison time. The report forthrightly addressed the grievous errors including cases of deliberate misconduct by both police and prosecutors. Prosecutorial misconduct was cited in eighty. Four percent of the twenty five cases police misconduct seventy two percent failure by prosecutor police to disclose favourable evidence to the defense taken as its own separate stat. Forty percent false or unreliable confessions which were often the only direct evidence thirty six percent and good old-fashioned eyewitness misidentification was a contributing factor in the wrongful convictions of twenty percent. And it gets a bit worse. I'm afraid there's one important rule of statistical analysis that we need to confront retrospective investigations of official misconduct. Will always come in under the true count. I'm not the only one who thinks that convict turned lawyer makes a fascinating story. Apparently rapper fifty cent degrees since he produced a tv series based on one such story. The show for life is two seasons in though. I only just learned about researching this. We don't have tv anymore. You know we've got netflix. And hulu which. I signed up for after i exhausted. All the forensic files on net flicks. Anyway for life is based sometimes loosely on the real and fairly recent events in the life of isaac right junior rights. Life was going okay for most of the nineteen eighties. He worked as a music producer for the covergirl say pop and urban contemporary musical group that featured his then wife sunshine. The name was familiar. But i looked them up on youtube. And none of songs ring any bells right was arrested in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine in new jersey for buying a kilo of cocaine from a co-defendant in ninety one. He was convicted by a jury on ten drug charges involving the sale of cocaine and ninety one sentenced to life in prison new jersey's new drug kingpin laws right had represented himself at trial and inauspicious. Start to where you know. The story is going. I had to go through a few sources before. I could find out why he chose to do that. Which right himself described as insane. I wasn't going to pay somebody to send me to prison. I might as well strep up the boots and put on the gloves into the fight myself with an abundance of time on his hands right studied law to appeal his conviction along the way he became a paralegal and helped other men with their cases and right was effective he was able to get the sentences of over twenty others overturned or reduced some of them from life sentences. He wasn't flailing blindly and getting lucky. Some of wright's legal arguments actually influenced and continue to influence other practicing lawyers in state. V alexander appeal for a fellow prisoner right developed a legal strategy to attack the kingpin instruction that was given to the jury which he was then able to use to get his own kingpin conviction reversed. It was also able to get the drug evidence excluded for illegal search and seizure then assistant somerset county prosecutor gilbert miller appointed to oppose rights court actions himself said i found mr right to be highly intelligent and a brief ride of the most attorneys have encountered. I was most impressed with mr rights abilities illegal. Strategist in addition. To his legal prowess. There was a second leg to the overturning of rights conviction and that was somerset. County head prosecutor nicholas l. Fizzle junior of the unlikely things right accomplished one of the most remarkable was a confession of misconduct. Out of a veteran police officer. During the nineteen ninety six evidentiary hearing right cross examined detective james dugan and was able to convince do him to confess to what essentially amounted to a massive conspiracy to up as many people's lives as possible dugan was just the beginning of the unraveling of this itchy sweater of corruption dugan pled guilty to official misconduct in order to escape prison. Time himself. judge. Michael brioni who oversaw. The trial was removed from the bench and later found himself in prison on theft. Charges at the head of it all was nicholas fizzle. This'll directed police. Officers to falsify reports. He personally dictated the false testimony. Witnesses would give he made. Secret deals with defense attorneys to have their clients testify. That right was there. Drug boss imagine sitting in courtroom fighting for your freedom and someone you've never laid eyes on before is telling the jury your their boss. These witnesses also said that they had pled guilty and were facing prison time but none of them were ever in any real danger. Rights case wasn't the only chicken that came home to roost for bezel in nineteen ninety one. James guthrie was arrested on cocaine charges. This'll agreed to drop the charges. If free four fitted two plots of land valued at one hundred seventy four thousand dollars to the prosecutor's office as he busily specialized in civil forfeiture at one point the value of the assets he seized were the highest in the state even though somerset county was the eighth smallest county in new jersey. Guthrie's land was sold at auction below. Its appraised value to a friend of missiles chief of detectives guthrie filed a civil suit against vissel and contacted both the fbi and the irs because if the g. men don't get you the tax man will this'll was dirty dealing left right and center. Irs forensic accountants and that is a job for those who are interested. Found that basil skimmed cash from a gas station of which he was part owner and the fbi discovered that vissel had threatened to frame his gasoline. Wholesaler for cocaine possession. In september nineteen ninety-five busily was indicted on thirty federal charges of mail fraud tax evasion and abuse of power and was promptly. Fired the following may. He was convicted on all charges and was facing six to ten years in federal prison. He was released pending sentencing. Less appropriate course of action in this reporters is under the condition that he wear an electronic monitoring bracelet that fall. He cut the tracking bracelet off and fled to nevada though. He was easily tracked by his cellphone. Us marshals descended on basil's hotel room were visible. Had no intention of being taken alive. After seven years in prison rights charges were dismissed. The next seven years of his life were spent getting his law degree and an undergraduate his law. School saint thomas university school of law renamed. Its cafeteria after him. That is it just as cool as the university of colorado naming their dining hall after famed cannibal alfred packer though for disparate reasons right past the new jersey var in two thousand eight but spent the next nine years having his character by the bar committee before being granted admission to the bar in twenty seventeen where he was officially sworn in as a licensed attorney i went to law school for one reason and one reason only to slay giants in if the giant is big enough and the 'cause important enough to for free especially when it involves helping those who cannot help themselves. Shortly after midnight on january fourth nineteen ninety one. Twenty six year old nathaniel cash was fatally shot at his apartment building. His girlfriend. joel. Smith had gone to the store and when she got back him dead. However smith changed her story and implicated twenty five year old derrick hamilton in the shooting she would later say that detective louis casella told her that if she didn't accuse hamilton he'd charge her with murder. Remember that name scarsella. It's gonna come up again. That march police arrested hamilton. Two hours away in new haven connecticut at the hair salon he jointly owned with alphonso white at hamilton's trial smith identified hamilton. The gunman spinning a tale of hamilton shooting cash and cash chasing after hamilton before collapsing. The defense had listed two alibi witnesses for hamilton. But neither called. What about hamilton's business partner. According to alphonsus wife police in new haven for whom white had acted as an informant in the past threatened to arrest him. If either of them testified that's especially bad because they had tangible proof that hamilton was at a new haven hotel at the time of the crime on january seventeenth nineteen ninety two a jury convicted hamilton of second degree murder between the conviction and the sentencing smith recanted her testimony and the defense learned for the first time about her first statement to police that she wasn't even present when cash was shot but they're motion to vacate. The conviction was denied and hamilton was sentenced to twenty five years to life in prison. The reality of hamilton situations set in pretty quickly. But he didn't take it lying down. He immediately began to avail himself of the prison library reading every last law book. They had an taking a writing course to be able to express himself well when filing motions with the court over the next two decades hamilton filed a series of motions attempting to overturn his conviction. But all were denied in nineteen ninety-four. He sought to vacate the conviction on the basis of an affidavit from a witness who said that two other men shot cash. The judge said the witness was not credible and denied the motion. While that motion was pending. Two more witnesses came forward and said hamilton was at a party at that new haven hotel which was ironically a going away party for someone who is going to prison. One of those witnesses would go on to become a decorated police officer in new haven but the judge refused to take their statement into account because they hadn't been on hamilton's alibi witness list in nineteen ninety eight. Another hearing was held with testimony from an additional witnesses. Who said someone else shot cash. That witness was also not believed in two thousand nine in the wake of the us supreme court ruling allowing witnesses to testify to actual innocence. If they have not been previously allowed to testify. Hamilton filed a motion seeking a new hearing to allow the two witnesses from nineteen ninety four. The prosecution opposed that motion as procedurally barred the motion for a hearing to allow the witnesses to testify was denied in december twenty. Eleven ten was granted parole. He'd been eligible for an earlier but wouldn't express remorse for a crime. He hadn't committed earlier in twenty. Eleven king's county district attorney. Charles hynes created the conviction integrity unit and invited defense attorneys to present cases in which innocent defendants may have been convicted. One case they became aware of. Was that of david ranta. Who was convicted of murder based on an investigation by detectives scarsella the c. I use investigation found that one witness had been told to pick out of a lineup and that two prosecution witnesses. Both were allowed to leave jail. Smoke crack and patrons sex workers in return for implicating rhonda. What the hell. Rhonda's conviction was vacated. A few months later the new york times published an article accusing s- carcelle of misconduct. In many investigations. Fabricating evidence coursing witnesses and concealing evidence of defendant's innocence. The article reported how one woman had somehow testified as an eyewitness in six separate murder cases. The reports prompted the brooklyn conviction integrity unit to begin to reinvestigate over fifty cases in which scarsella was involved in january twenty fourteen the appellate division the kings county supreme court in an unprecedented ruling reversed the trial court. In hamilton's case the appeals court eliminated a procedural burial criminal. Appellate claims to allow an assertion of actual innocence to be heard. Hamilton's case was remanded to the kings county supreme court for hearing in january twenty fifteen kings county. Da kenneth thomson concluded on the basis of the reinvestigation but hamilton was innocent. The reinvestigation showed that the medical evidence contradicted. Smith's claim that cash was shot in the chest and pursued his assailant according to the m. e. cash was shot in the back and the wound would have been instantly fatal. In addition ballistic. Showed that more than one gun was used in the shooting more than one could be to like the two men that multiple witnesses were willing to testify had killed cash on january ninth twenty fifteen. The motion to vacate hamilton's conviction was granted and the charge was dismissed hamilton. Subsequently a claim for compensation with the new york court of claims and filed a federal rights lawsuit seeking damages for his wrongful conviction. All of his cases were settled by july twenty eighteen fourteen convictions. Based on scar. Sylla's detective work have been overturned of the seventy plus cases that were under review scarsella has consistently maintained. He did nothing wrong. One of those people whose convictions was overturned has an extra connection to hamilton chaba. Shakoor was serving time in the same prison sent there by the same detective shortly after ten pm on january. First nineteen eight. Two men were shot and killed outside the brooklyn building where they sold drugs. Police brought in twenty. Three year olds shukor for questioning. After a witness said he had beef with the victims over a debt. Chicago said that he was in queens with his girlfriend. At the time however detective scarsella claimed he interviewed shukor and shukor confessed that he killed the two men before they could kill him but scarsella had no notes from during the interrogation only the report that he typed up afterward. Another witness claimed that he heard chicago admit to the crime but he was never called to testify at the trial and later recanted saying he was trying to get leniency on his own charges aisha curse trial. The brother of one victim testified that he saw shukor chased the victim but admitted on cross examination. He told police he didn't actually witnessed the shooting making him. Not actually much of a witness a gun found a trash can near the scene was linked to the murders. But there were no prints on the gun and it could not be linked shakoor. She course girlfriend at her. Best friend testified. That chak was at the girlfriend's home from nine pm until he left for work. The next morning nonetheless the jury convicted shukor of two counts of second degree murder and he was sentenced to twenty years to life in prison. She course case was one of those examined. By the brooklyn district attorney's conviction review unit. Who agreed that the conviction was correct and shukor was guilty but later that year twenty fourteen defense attorney ron kuby presented evidence that scarsella had fabricated the confession at a series of hearings on motion for a new trial on june. Second twenty fifteen. New york supreme court justice desmond. Green granted the motion for a new trial and vacated shukor's conviction green ruled that there was a reasonable probability that the alleged confession of chicago was indeed fabricated. The judge said that scarsella version of obtaining the confession was particularly troubling and cause serious doubt. The judge also said he believed the testimony of shipowners alibi. Witnesses the district attorney declined to retry him. What was that extra connection with hamilton. That i hinted about at the top one of the many challenges that both men and many people face when getting out of prison is finding work so they used part of their settlements to open a restaurant right across the corner from police precinct who likes pop culture show of hands. Okay pretty much everybody and keep your hand up if you started a side business. Second business side hustle. What have you during this past year okay. That's still a lot of people. 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And then of you should tune china working as a farmer was a foregone conclusion it was not only what his family had done down through the generations but since wang had left school at age ten to help his family in the fields he didn't have enough education for most other jobs. It wasn't that wang wasn't interested in education and in fact he continued to read avidly in what spare time he had becoming a farmer while probably inevitable didn't mean. that wang was not a man with dr either farming. life is hard enough but for wang's family neighbors. It started getting noticeably harder. About twenty years ago their yields were steadily diminishing because their land was being contaminated by the nearby key who a chemical group a company with assets exceeding three hundred million dollars and the backing of the chinese government on the eve of the lunar new year in two thousand. One wang was with his neighbors preparing for the big holiday. When the house they were in began flooding this wasn't an overflowing river it was wastewater from ki-ha which also flooded the farmland rendering. It completely unusable. The dumping wasn't exactly a secret but key hawk chemical continued with impunity for more than five years because as wang would later say behind every case of pollution is a case of corruption. Many people would have abandoned their farms. If they could but wang wasn't going to let this multimillion dollar company continued to dump upwards of twenty thousand tons of chemical waste every year key hooah chemical had also reportedly created a seventy one acre wasteland with calcium carbide residue and a four hundred and seventy eight acre pond of liquid. Waste hiring. a lawyer was out of the question for the peasant farmers so way with his third grade education decided. He would just have to do it himself. He wrote a letter to the land resources bureau of his province but they demanded concrete evidence proving the plant had dumped the waste and it was the waste that had damaged their land and the land was actually damaged. The whole scenario is like a more lopsided version of erin brockovich where the chemical company is more flagrant in its malfeasance and the injured locals. Don't have a law firm helping them out. They had one of their own. Who couldn't afford to buy the books he needed on the law instead. Wang made a deal with a local bookstore where the shop owner let him read as much as he needed to store in exchange for bags of corn sources. Don't mention if it was corn grown the land or not. Some of the books he needed were in other languages. So wang had to translate them with a dictionary. I hardly need to tell you. This was not a fast process. As subsistence farming became harder and people including wang got sicker free. Time was a precious resource. But what time wang had he spent studying also sometimes. The local police would show up and try to intimidate him. You know that old chestnut and so it went for sixteen years. Things got a boost when wang was able to find a chinese law firm that specialized in fighting pollution related cases. They didn't take on the case but they did provide him with some free legal advice and helped him file his petition to the court. That was in two thousand seven six years into the poisoning of the land. According to prominent environmentalist ma jun while the litigation process has been streamlined. In recent years pollution lawsuits can still take years to be heard partly because local governments give some degree of protection to polluting companies. The petition wasn't processed until twenty. Fifteen and then. It took a further two years to be brought to a conclusion adding up to sixteen years since that lunar new year eve. When wang played cards and made dumplings with his neighbors that's sixteen years of industrial waste dumping but it's also sixteen years worth of chances to gather evidence about the industrial waste dumping tuned district court ruled that the people of you should tune village should receive compensation amounting to eight hundred and twenty thousand yuan around one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars or one hundred four thousand euros. Unfortunately the case was overturned on appeal and world media seems to have lost interest in covering the case as so often happens. But i doubt that wang and his self-styled senior citizen environmental protection team would give up that easily. And that's where we run out of ideas at least for today. Gideon studied the law in prison and began to appeal his case. Starting with a petition for writ of habeas corpus in florida supreme court is primary. Was that the trial. Judge's refusal to appoint counsel violated his constitutional rights. The florida supreme court denied gideon's petition gideon next filed a handwritten petition with the supreme court of the united states. The high court agreed with gideon. The sixth amendments here and council is a fundamental right and not subject to state law otherwise gideon got a second trial with a lawyer and was acquitted by the jury in an hour. And thank you to our guests quote readers in order of appearance. Cj from the. been through. Some podcast chris. Green coast of this week today on the podcast network. Remember you can always find the source links of the script for the show at your brain on facts dot com. Thanks for spending part of your day with me and stay safe.

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"Alone. What Slate Political Gabfest July Sixteenth Two thousand twenty. Find something new edition I'm David Plots of business insider in Vermont and my airy attic in Vermont. Thank goodness, not my not my Dank. Get Fungi closet in Washington DC. I'm joined from new haven from her airy. In new haven by Emily May Baz, lawn. I didn't even say your name, right? Emily Only. Time magazine and Yale University Law. School, Hello. How are you? I'm good. John dickerson is on vacation this week. Hard earned longer earned vacation hopefully rereading his book. Recognizing how good is book as being satisfied? smugly satisfying, only reading, his book was each summer if never, smug. And he would he wouldn't be I'm not saying it's actually happening. I'm just painting an imaginary picture. Come on! In any case. Sitting in for John Joining US I. Don't know if you're making your best debut or not, James Foreman, you may have sat in for me at some point, but you're making your plots Gif. As debut certainly is James, former junior professor of law, Yale author of the pulse surprise winning, locking up our own crime and punishment in black America. Hello joining us also from New Haven Nice to meet you. Yeah, nice to meet you I. Did this once before some years ago on by S.? I think you're not there I remember it because it was in new haven and it was shortly after the shooting of. Michael Brown. Yeah I'm so glad that I get to be on the show together this time. On today's gap as the pandemic worsens. Is there any chance kids are going to get back to school? Should we hope that they are even going to get back to school at this point then the state of black lives matter George Floyd protests. What's going on with police reform with criminal justice reform with the movement itself and then canceled culture. What is it? Is it real how to understand it? This is a segment looking forward to because I am completely befuddled, and I'm looking forward to James and Emily. Explaining it to me because I don't understand anything that's happening, plus of course we will have cocktail chatter. On Tuesday, the trump White House. Launched its new AD campaign to help the unemployed Ivanka trump help roll out their great new slogan, which is find something new. How can any of US find? Something new everything collapsed were desperate were clean over their fingertips are not new jobs for the people who have been laid off. There's not a new world for all of us. Wish there to be a new world. We are just stuck stuck stuck with the world that we have everything is terrible. Terrible with this pandemic caseloads are rising in forty one states and the rising at shocking rates. Deaths are also starting to rise mask. Wearing is increasing, but community spread is rampant. There's little contact tracing quarantining anything that we knew we were supposed to do. Emily the governor of Oklahoma announced this week that he has covid nineteen, but has increased restrictions or required baths or put in more funds for testing and contact tracing in his State. No, he hasn't what. What can we do with this living? Hell we are stuck with. I think we can make all the personal choices that we know are helpful And I don't know I mean. It feels in the next four months like we are just going to stumble along in this terrible way. I feel terrible, not having some better solution thing to say, but it feels like the contact tracing the testing that we needed that we were supposed to be getting during lockdown that was going to allow us to live with the virus. The way many people in Europe are figuring out who do is still lacking and I don't. Feel kind of hopeless I feel hopeless about the federal government's ability to do those things to do anything other than pray and push really hard for a vaccine. Yeah James Help while I wish. I could come in with something more useful on this one. I mean I. Remember early on right when trump was. Was Rambling and lie and saying there was no crisis and I never thought that he would. Change based on concern about human suffering, but I did think that he'd be forced to take the virus. Seriously because you know, the politics would make it. and I think my views were fairly commonplace at the time, but now we've learned that even cratering poll numbers. Won't make him do the basic of his job, which is to mobilize federal resources right and protect the country and so I really do feel stuck like you. Emily I mean I rarely feel or say this, generally that annoying optimistic friend who, in response to any complaint is like. Yes, it's terrible, but here's what we can do to change it. But it really does now feel like. This, you know shambolic. Narcissistic President enablers have really produced a crisis that is bigger than what even the most dedicated school, Superintendent or mayor or governor. Can Fix I mean. Those people can have an impact at the margins and I. You know I think in my city and our city of new haven and Connecticut the leadership has been strong But they're just real limits on the power that they had in a nation. That's as mobile as this one and with a virus. That only will be contained if everybody. Does their part, so I don't know unfortunately I. Do feel a little bit like you emily that right now. We just have to do our best to take care of our own families. Our friends our neighbors. and. Mobilize for November and people have talked about lack of access to testing, but also just the delays in testing results. Are this enormous problem we were growing wanted to go on vacation with some friends. I know it was to families, and we all said we're all GonNa get tested a week before we were going to try to be together. And we all did after week. Nobody had gotten their results so then we had to roll the dice, and we all did go and meet up together in this house and during the week. Over eight day nine ten, we were getting results. You're negative your negative negative, but you know what would have done. If somebody had tested positive, we would have really blown it. Let's go to favorite subject of me. And Emily and I suspect if you James since you have a child school, so president trump has come to the conclusion, which so many parents have come to over the course of this hot summer that we oh, my God we have to find a way to get kids back to school. It's GonNa break parents. It's going to break the economy. You cannot have an economy without. Parents being able to reliably count on their kids being educated, and hopefully their kids being elsewhere while their kids are being educated, and so the president trump and secretary of education of our animated about this, but they're animation has taken the form of of exhortation and bullying. They are simply shouting about schools have reopened, and there is no particular plan about it, so this is sort of what we saw emily with the reopening the quote unquote reopening the economy where the present with shouting and bullying and exhorting and the economy reopened and it was. Turned out to be terrible mistake. Because now we have this huge amount of community spread in states that reopened quickly our school, shaping up to be something similar where there's this a tremendous pressure to reopen schools because all of us who have school as kids really really really want them to go to school, but it's going to be a mistake. I think we seeing I. Don't know if you saw the result out of Israel. Where Israel reopen schools and there's been a tremendous. UPSURGE, in cases that have come out of the schools, thoughts, emily. Just quickly about Israel. My understanding is that the school reopening was part of a surge of covid there, that was also connected to everyone thinking the country had vanquished the virus, and like throwing away their masks like everything was open. They thought they were done so I'm not sure how much you can really single out the schools for blame, but that's really a side. Point what I find so maddening and enraging about trump and betsy devos week is that they're doing worse than nothing, because by bullying and threatening I mean they are threatening to take federal funding away from schools that. Desperately need many more resources and a lot of other kinds of support in order to reopen, and they are doing this bullying, and urging without any regard to what the infection level is in a particular community or city or state, which seems like a crucial is the precondition. In fact, it is the CDC's precondition. It's every public health experts precondition and they're behaving. This question of school opening has nothing to do with all the other problems with addressing. Addressing the virus that we were just talking about and so they are incredibly politically divisive figures, so if you're someone who lives in city, who knows people who died maybe especially someone in a community of color, low income community, and you have plenty of reasons not to trust the government, and not to trust this government hearing people order you back to school or the schools open is GonNa, make you less likely to trust that happening and so. You know I! Think my deepest fear about the virus, always in addition to just like the death that it brings is the way in which it in it exacerbates inequality, and I really see that happening with the schools you hear about private schools getting their act together. You know. Yale University where James and I work has a ton of resources. Residential colleges are different from K. through twelve, but still there are resources to try to do something very difficult whereas. Our schools at our kids are the public schools in new haven like they are strapped in a really different way, and you can see parents making irrational decision that it won't be saved to send their kids back even if they do open and that's an estate state where the infection level is low the places where it's high, it just seems like it's. Out of reach and this for me, I'm just not gonNA. Get over this tragedy. It makes me upset. James if you were if you were. The Cova. Dr That we don't have if you were named Bill Gates and they named you Cova Dr months ago at this moment. What would you do about schools? Way if I had been named if I had been named months ago, we were not s moment I mean. Your your question is. We played it. Much the poor. We can't look backwards, we you. Know. We know it's a wildly incompetent. Government is the worst government that imaginable. It's terrible, but we are in the state. We're in, so let's say we're in this moment now you can, you can reject the premise question and go back to March. If you want but I, we we. We know that this is the worst government that we could possibly have at this moment. What do we do given that? And I will answer the question. I do it does feel to me. Like. It's this hostage taking situation where they have deprived us of all reasonable options that any country with our wealth and resources and talent would have exercise, and now we're the we're in this absolutely impossible situation and the notion that the people that created this problem would even be bothering to open their mouths to offer an opinion about what a school superintendent or a teacher or mayor would do right now is just outrageous and appalling, but okay fine I wanted to go back to your hypothetical am I, the at the federal level now or a my this school superintendent federal level, but you vast vast powers. Yeah, no at the federal. I mean we would do the things that. That the public health experts, and that many countries around the world. Did you know three months ago? Four months ago, we would massively invest in our testing capacity, including naturally availability of tasks, but the processing of tests so that people can get results back right away. We would invest in the actual type of tests that we would get. We would get high quality tested have one and two day results as opposed to the longer tale that we have now. We would massively invest in contact tracing from the federal level so that. We could start to stop some of this community spread. We would send the message from the top down at every press conference in otherwise we would send the message that wearing masks is not a political act. It's the Public Health Act. These are just basic things you don't even have to like. It's not even imaginative exercise. It's just looking at the countries that have actually controlled this much better than we have and do what they've done, and it's not too. Late weakened too late. We've created now damage that we will never undo, but it's not too late as your question suggests, start doing it today. I think for the schools. I would buy a ton of tents and take over the parking. Lots like that and other ways of just expanding our vision of what school is like especially for the middle and high school kids. They don't have to have all of the electives and all of the moving around like they need to be doing more. We need a stripped down version that is more compatible with the challenges of Covid and has some learning, but also just allows them to be together in some way, and just a follow up on that and thank you, Emily. I sort of helpfully pointing me to the school specific aspects of the question. But on that the other thing that I would do is I would massively and immediately invest in the technological capacity of all students to participate in remote distance virtual learning. Whatever you WANNA call it right. Every kid gets a laptop. Every House has. Has Broadband and related I would invest in schools to buy teacher time and resources so that the teachers would be able to create those lessons plans one of the tragedies that we had a new haven this spring. Where were Macho was in the public school system was that. The teachers weren't doing online instruction now. Some privacy concerns to some privacy concerns the lots of other districts did it so what I would do is I would use the I would ask. I would use the federal government to go look at those school districts that did distance learning relatively well, and there are some I have friends in Washington DC at a much better. Only my kids are in public school in Washington. D Theater and I would. Say. Okay So DC somewhere else or maybe or maybe. Baby DC was bad, but. Better than new. Haven I'm not sure. And and I would figure out a few places that have done this really well. Maybe look at some of the private schools and you try to ramp up the resources. So that public schools, especially those that are serving low income, kids and kids with special needs had the ability to do those things. So, I have a question about the politics of this. What is Mitch McConnell thinking so okay like? Take Donald trump out of the equation for a moment because he seems to be drinking the Kool aid of imagining that the polls are all fake and everyone loves him because there's a boat parade but Mitch McConnell is like a person who lives in reality and the Republicans. Republicans so far have been refusing to extend the kind of aid to schools or state and local governments or even continue to fund additional unemployment benefits. They see the poll numbers cratering. They know that this election is happening. In November it looks like things are poised to get worse in the country, not better. Why aren't they doing something about it? I don't understand that. that. That is literally the question that I had to. Now you have to. It is bizarre, so we have a we have a house Democrats have passed a three point five trillion dollar. Emergency. Relief Bill that which would be the fourth or fifth of those bills, and even that one, which was passed about a month ago doesn't have enough for schools in it, and so there's a proposal I think for another four hundred billion, most of which would go to schools and childcare centers. The Democrats are pushing in the House the Senate meanwhile and the. Republicans in the White House are talking about numbers, which is, we can't have bill larger than a trillion dollars and most of what they're talking. About are things like? certainly diminishing the unemployed, the bonus unemployment benefits that people are getting cutting that number way down sending another stimulus check, but but cutting the the income cap which you'd get that. From seventy five thousand dollars to forty thousand dollars, things like capital gains, rollbacks nonsense. And nothing significant around schools. And nothing significant around eight to hospitals, and and it's bizarre it is. It is one of the most peculiar policy choices I've ever seen. This is a moment where Republicans can spend drunkenly on whatever it is, they want. It will help them electorally. no-one ideologically is going to hold it against them for having done it because. Of Desperation, there's no yeah well. There is a moral hazard, but like the moral hazard of not doing anything much greater and it it is utterly perverse, and I assume that what's going to happen. Is that in about two weeks? We're GONNA. Realize Oh yeah they're negotiating you. Bill and IT'S GONNA. Come in. We're going to get a bill. That's two point five trillion. It'll be closer to what the Democrats want. It won't be as much as Republicans. Won't be as much as what Democrats it'll be pretty significant and. And a lot of this stuff will start to happen, but it is really strange, because it is the only thing the only thing Republicans can hope for for November is that the economy is in some kind of slightly reasonable shape, and they are seen as reasonably decent stewards of that economy. And they're abandoning that right now and it's. I mean maybe it's maybe they're living on their principles. Maybe this these are actual principles that they. They genuinely believe in, but it's really really weird. I! Don't know I think part of it is what you said David that they believe it and part of it is you know we're saying? It's crazy political strategy. But. They say we been winning. We've got a majority on the Supreme Court, we have a majority of state governorships in state legislatures. We've got the presidency. We have majority in the Senate I mean we've been told before that. Our strategy isn't working and we control. Ninety, percent of the levers of government so keep having your podcast, but we'll keep having. The PODCASTS PODCASTS are coming. There's a huge podcast relief element. The Democrats are putting. There's like twelve billion just for podcasts relief in the bill. That is a joke. That was not serious listeners. The other point about that I wanted to make which is if you're a Democrat and you're thinking about what might come after November recognizing that less Democrats captured the Senate and the House and the presidency. There is no chance that they're going to get any significant relief. Bills are or or stimulus bills. Out of Congress for years to come there, the we saw this in the Obama years that Republicans have the capacity to block that large-scale government spending. During her democratic presidency, they will block it and so. Democrats need to remember that that unless they also win the Senate. This is the last bill they're going to get. I WANNA, Finish this segment, emily, with one point or one question for you, which is I? Don't know if you guys saw the story about the CDC is no longer getting hospitals data about covid patients. This you wrote about it. I mean I want ask you because you must have thought about this. This just seems like a total disaster, I mean what it. The presentation was that Oh the data's going to go to this private company, and then the department, of Health and Human Services First of all. Why do we have a private company in the middle of all of this and second of all? Is this really just about taking money away from the CDC? Especially because it happens in a week where some parts of the trump administration started like? weirdly attacking Tony Fauci. Their expert. Right and so what it comes down to is the CDC has been the hub of data from hospitals about covid hospital hospitalization rates about death. And it is historically is the hub of that is also true. The CDC is terrible at handling the data. It's systems are updated. Its does a lot of stuff by fax. Who knew there were so many fax machines left in America? So, it's not that the CDC's doing a particularly good job, but it is, it has been the data hub, and it's also a place where the data's all public, and now it is. Emily said this data is going to go instead through a private company to. Database which is not public, which is subject to whatever forms of manipulation hiding? massaging the the trump. HHS Secretary wants to do this is just one of many many examples that we've seen in the past several years of the trump administration manipulating massaging warping hiding, changing data, which has historically been one of the most important. Sources of government excellent. The United States is that we've been a great gatherer of data and disseminator of data and the. Trump is eroding that trust. It's eroding our capacity and here we have a case where now we're not going to necessarily know how many people are dying. How many people are hospitalized and researchers won't be able to understand that the public is not going to have a sense of it, and this feels to me like a really significant. Moment and a an end, a really bad sign about the degradation of government trump. Nothing. Not Coming back on that one. Slate plus members you bonus segments on the gap vest and other slate podcasts. And today. If you go to play dot com slash gap as plus and become a member. You're going to get a bonus segment where we're GONNA talk to James About the access to law school program that he is starting super interesting. Very important and we're GONNA have great conversation back, so go to sleep dot com slash gaffe s plus today to become a member of sleet plus. The gap best is sponsored by the Financial Times. The Financial Times has been exploring the new agenda investigating the changing relationship between business and society. It's a theme that has become even more urgent in light of the coronavirus, pandemic economic turbulence and the global black lives matter. Protests. As businesses and societies around the world begin to recover. Attention has turned to the impact that crises have in defining the reputation of individuals and organizations. Many commentators are looking for a new way forward. A path or plan could be more inclusive, responsive and equitable. The Financial Times pose a pertinent question. If leaders do not step up now, will they ever read more F. T. dot com? Slash new agenda. George Floyd was killed seven weeks ago. In Minnesota has been an extraordinary. extrordinary period since then there was a month, or so of really really active protest all around the country It is quite a down there still. Still activity certain cities in certain places for certain reasons, protests over the police over funding for the police over the militarization of police over statues and. Black lives matters murals There's been discussions of reframing law enforcement and criminal justice. It's been an amazing variety of discussions activity since then James I. Know this is something you've been following. What what is. Where are we with the protest protest movements, and first of all start with where where is they're still active? is still activity on streets in cities, and in an towns I mean I think it's still happening everywhere. Just just a day ago, there was a seniors march on new haven green. It's an example of a relatively small scale, but still significant protests. That isn't getting necessarily the kind of press coverage. But that they did in the first month, but that are continuing to happen so on the protests front on my think it's. It's certainly reduced in number that happens, but I think there's still a lot of activity and I think that we've also seen some of the protest activity now kind of channel itself into really more, specific and concrete. Activism at in Mayor's offices at City Council offices, and in state legislatures, and so I think you know the protesters are some of the protesters are still there. They're just now at hearings in the state capital when they were previously on the streets. Stay with that for a minute, so give a few examples of. Towns or states? Or cities where there is action at a legislative level or where where there's regulatory change that's happening, but you've been tracking. Yeah absolutely I mean just yesterday Pennsylvania passed a law that would create a state wide database for officers who had been found to be in violation of a particular cities policies and have been disciplined. So this is to try to get this idea that you get fired in one place, and then you just get hired in another office in Boston. I've been following the story in Boston little because there's been really staunch advocacy around the size of the police department in the city of Boston the ACLU of Massachusetts. has this really stunning report which I just? Just looked at yesterday for the first time, but it does a fabulous job of examining the police budget in Boston and revealing these mind-blowing numbers about how it is that law enforcement budget became so bloated in his crowding out other priorities that the city might care about mean that just just to stay on Boston for a second that this the police budget in Boston is three times larger than what's devoted to health and human services four times larger than what's a devoted to public health ten times larger than the library, and it just goes on and on and on. A lot of it is driven by overtime on again. I'm focusing on Boston now, but this is a conversation that I'm seeing. Activists have in Minneapolis in Oakland in Chicago in Los Angeles in Atlanta. Is these bloated overtime? Budgets so. Fifteen percent of the ball Boston Police Department. budget is focused on overtime. That's sixty million dollars, and a lot of it comes from these contract provisions that do things like. Say if you go to court, you get a four hour minimum. Not How many how much time you actually spend in court, you get paid for four hours, and so so that's Boston in Minneapolis think very kind of famously discussed. The city council is really devoted to reimagining the entire police department building from the ground up, and they're engaged in what they say is GonNa be a nine month community-wide? And when people, I have heard nine months I think a lot of people said well that you know that feels like too long, but the truth. Is this the job of rethinking what it is? It's your police. Department is GONNA. Do and how it should be staffed is his is not easy stuff. I think it's being appropriately. Done there in Connecticut Gary Winfield was state legislature African American state legislator from New Haven has been pushing police accountability measures for as long as he's been in government. You know fifteen twenty years along with people like rob importer, and they just never have gotten very far, but right now the Connecticut legislature, which is much more conservative in some ways than you might think. Is is really taking up very specific things about a police accountability and budget allotments, which has those two to me. Those are the two big issues accountability and the size of police departments, the other thing that is distressing, but I think important to the conversation is there's been an increase in shootings and homicides in certain cities, Chicago Baltimore New Haven actually and I think. It's important. Include that because reminds us what we need. The police for and what they should. Spending their time on is dealing with violent crime and it also for me as a reminder of the fact that people whose lives are impacted by crying like feel that they want good policing, so it just feels like in this conversation. We sometimes the idea that the police are going to go away entirely. These shootings are minder that like that's not going to happen, and it's a matter of having them be much more wisely and concentrated. Louis deployed I was looking at those stories about shootings. Police Line is oh. It's because you've shackled us. We can't do our job. You're yelling at us. You're not cooperating with us, and that's why you're getting crime in your cities, it's your own fault communities, and then there's a sort of there's a another take on that which is actually. The cops are just not doing their jobs. There's a there's a a blue flu quality to it all. Do you think any of the shooting? And the rise in violence has to do with the cops, not doing their jobs, either because the public is objecting to them, doing their jobs or they've decided. They're not GONNA do. Their jobs. So I mean first of all people are getting more desperate right now and I think the summer is a time where homicides and shootings go up generally, but especially in Co. The Times where you've had all these people cooped up and they're starting to be deeper economic fears I wonder if that is gonNA, wind up having more explanatory power than anything to do with law enforcement in the past where we've had exactly the competing narratives, David that you just laid out. There's been research on both sides. It's pretty confusing. I find this. Setback patients. There are some studies that suggest that the police stand down after a video of a shooting goes viral, and so then you can decide that that's the fault of the protests, or you can decide that the police are kind of deliberately withholding in that blue flu sort of way that makes it seem like it's their fault. Or maybe it's a dynamic in which. Police are more conscious. They're not necessarily out on the streets in the same way, and then there are. Small number of bad actors, it's always a small number of people in the community who are doing shootings who kind of take advantage of that either way? My understanding from talking to police chiefs like Scott. Thomsen. Police chief in Camden is that what you need is not like a lot of stop and Frisk a lot of the kinds of low level arrests that often are unconstitutional. Anyway, alienate people. What you need is a presence of police so that people feel them in the neighborhood. They don't necessarily have to be out there. Doing minor arrests, you need their presence, and then you need them investigating these major crimes and to do that well, you have to have the trust of the community because it all depends on people telling you what they know. Emily the point that you just made about investigations? Versus stop and Frisk is I think completely under discussed when we have this broad based discussion of. World do we have too many police to few police? You know if you look at the statistics. The United States actually has a relatively low of police officers compared to certain European countries, but what we do is we have those officers over deployed in this preventive prophylactic, stop and Frisk kind of harassment, and we had them under deployed on the investigation side. So anybody who you know was thinking about. This should read Gilio book, Ghetto side that came out at four. Four or five years ago and is focused on L. A., but it's absolutely a true story nationally, which is to say that we have homicide detectives and robbery detectives debut. Talk about fax machines that are still trying that are trying to get their fax machines to work, and yet we have this sort of onslaught of stop and Frisk I just. I mentioned Boston. I'll just say it one more time with. Of that budget that I just talked about what was the proposal from the Police Department? For this upcoming year it was to increase the number of field officers, those out on the street, and to decrease the number that are devoted to investigations so when black communities focusing on black communities because that's that's what I've studied about in right about the most when people say you know we want police officers. One of the things that they're saying is that. That, we want people to come. Investigate the crimes that are committed right now in our neighborhoods, but it can take two three four five days to even have a detective. Come to your house to take an incident report after you've reported a robbery or burglary or something like that, so it's not just the number, but it's also how we we allocate these officers that we have to spend. Some time focused on. That is such a great point and. I've heard it made before, but never so clearly. What was the policy decision that? That ended up with US doing this. It doesn't seem as I. Think about it. It doesn't seem to make sense to me. I would've thought we'd want to have lots of people investigating things and that cops would want to have those kinds of jobs. How did we end up in a world where where cops are doing things where they're just harassing black? Black people instead of investigating crimes I mean broken windows policing right that took off and people thought that it was working in the eighty s and ninety s, and it sort of James Marched officiated answer no data I. think that's it I mean I think it was. It was exactly it was the. It was the kind of intellectual argument behind broken windows. Windows and then you know, we can never overstate the impact of dead New York. Police Department in particular has on the national conversation about policing, and they're absolutely full-throated over the top embrace of the most aggressive style of stop and Frisk combined with crime decline numbers, which again later it turned out a whole bunch of cities that weren't doing that. Stop and Frisk had those same crying crime declines and New York continued to have those crime declines after they stopped the stop-and-frisk, but in that moment in the late nineties early two thousands when people were so scared, based on the higher crime rates in the eighties and nineties when New York comes in, and they talk about stop and Frisk working and winning. And with their publicity department in their communications and their, you know how many people pay attention to them, it really had an impact on the national conversation and speaking of the NYPD The New York Times. Did this amazing video project this week? In which they went through lots of video from the protest after George Floyd testing the PD had claimed that they only used force. Very. You know that any excessive use of force was very much the exception, and in fact in these videos they're more than sixty instances of what looks like unreasonable unnecessary use of force. The vaunted image of the NYPD does not really hold up to this reality that that that a lot of people just saw in the course of these protests. There was an op Ed. In New York Times actually to this. Question about? Who the police are what they're doing why they're doing it and op. Ed in the Times making the case that if you want to abolish the police, or if you want to de-fund the police, have you want to change the way police work become a police officer the analogy, of course emily is a world that you know which is reform prosecutors in a lot of cities who have changed how laws are being enforced and prosecuted especially at my minor crimes. Crimes are being enforced and prosecuted no cities and one way that's happened. Is that people who had previously worked on the defense side or had not worked in Criminal Law. The prosecution side decided. We're going to become prosecutors and we're going to change the system. Do you think emily that this this model can work for the police where you get a bunch of progressive minded young people who say I'm going to go become a police officer and I'm going to. Change the system from within so I feel the same way about this. I feel about the idea of working for a progressive prosecutor. which is I'm all for ethical smart. Good people throughout the criminal justice system. I totally agree that's crucial. I think if you really want to do this. You have to choose very very carefully because you can easily without meaning to become part of the problem. Brought home to me with police very poignantly when I read that. Incredible Story About the African, American officer, who was one of the four people present at George Floyd's death, he had actually gone into the Minneapolis Police Department with the intention of making it better, but then as this new recruit like in one of the first days on his job there, he is like part of this just. Getting tragedy. It's really hard to square that now. That's really dramatic and I hope unusual, but I do think that if you are going into a profession, and you're going to have to spend some number of years without a whole lot of power working your way up, you have to think a lot about the environment. You're going to be and whether you're going to be able to do. What feels good work, James Hoodie thank. You know I couldn't agree more and I do think the analogy prosecutors really does hold I mean for the longtime. When students would come to me and say, they wanted to become prosecutors I would these students to say. I want to change the system I WANNA resist mass incarceration. I WANNA, fight racial bias. And prosecutors have more power so I'm thinking about becoming a prosecutor. Former public defender, I would tell him I. think that they're making a mistake. And it was for exactly the reason, Emily. You said that I think that in the nineties in the two thousands, they were gonna be going into environments that we're going to be so hostile to their vision of what they were going to do. And they thought they were changed the culture of the office, but the office was GONNA. Change them, and that's a point that Paul Butler has made very powerfully in his writing and I think it holds as applied to police department so now and I'm talking to students that are thinking about becoming prosecutors. I say just what you said. Emily, which is that it's a pretty small list, but that there is a smallest prosecutors I think who have. Have a vision that would align with where these students are trying to go and those chief prosecutors. They actually desperately need a staff full of young prosecutors who buy into that vision because their problem is, they may be wanting to bring reform, but they're trying to bring reform to an office that that's full of people that may be doesn't WanNa change their behavior so on the police side I do think it's harder because I don't think there's clear cut list as clear a list of departments that you know I would advise people to go to I'm not sure really where to send anybody other than you know the Camden. New Jersey that everybody always talks about, and there's a little sad. That when we're talking about reform, we keep coming down to this like relatively you know small city seventy, five thousand in new. Jersey is like our Goto. Example is like the new Sweden. Right or let them have their day man, let campaign have it's dead. You're right. Press so so so I. Don't know where to tell people go but I do very much like the impulse David I. Do say just one thing in your the way you framed the question and I think it's an important distinction, but you said you know if you want to abolish the police or defunding police or reform the police. Go in, and be this kind of officer and I do think. Think there is a distinction between I. Don't think abolitionist would embrace that. They would not say they would reject what both emily and I even the limited story worth telling They would reject, but I mean you have to. If you reject the system, you don't WanNa. Have Incremental Change that saves it you. WanNa just like dismantle and start over again so that is a really important distinction to make. So I saw a really. Unsettling statistic this week. Which is that Republicans? Are Half as likely to be sympathetic to demonstrators as they were a month ago. When the protest movement, the Black Lives Matter George Floyd protest. Movement was picking up steam. There was a tremendous universal almost universal in this country sympathy for it and now. For Republicans Democrats and independents that sympathy remains Republicans subsided. Is that something to be concerned about emily? Yeah? It is It suggests a kind of limited or like expiries date on empathy, and on thinking across lines especially of race. Since there's so many more white people who are Republicans than people of Color who are Republicans. I find that really dispiriting. James. Can you pull them optimism on this one place for us well I do know I do think it's it's I. Don't know that I'm going to give you. The I promise early on that. I! was that I that I was going to be this optimist. I'm not sure that I've quite I allied your to. Stay stay on for slate, plus that's where you'll get the. The. So some of this has to do with how people take cues from right from from national leaders, and so I think early on people saw they saw the murder itself, and they saw a bunch of police officers and police unions even around the country condemning what happened to George Floyd. And there was a little bit of silence from from the White House and now I think that trump has really decided to run on this aggressive anti protest, Anti Racial Justice Campaign I think that some of these Republican voters who are either watching these ads or just consuming them media environment. Their attitudes are starting to to to line up with. What they what the leaders believe. We're going to do a segment now about canceled culture and I honestly as fuzzy about the conversation about to have as I have ever been about. Weird a conversation made for you. Have you gotten so I just used I'm just so I find it so hard to follow, so I want to lay out what I my sense of what I think happened. And then you guys, we'll take it from here and I'll just ask questions and listen so as I see what's happened. Is that the? Black lives matter. Protests lit a series of or kind of planted a whole bunch of seeds around the country which have grown in different ways, and there was a some of them are directly coming out of the conversation. We just had around police. Reform and police funding is one big one sort of central one police violence. They're also things about representation and the taking down of statues. The renaming of The fight over the confederate flag and the way that the president has has kind of moved into that is another one, and then canceled culture. The kind of the flowering of the debate about is another not offshoot, but it's been. It's been accelerated by what happened with these protests and. What I see again just for my reading, there's a series of skirmishes that's played out in magazine that I have not been reading for a while and on twitter. There was a letter, and Harper's signed by tons of public figures and academia journalism, a counter letter, raging twitter debate, a vast array of columns and essays from the Left, and the far right, and then there's this person named Barry, Weiss, who is a person who merely to say, her name is to bring some kind of curse upon yourself apparently like just to talk about her to end up. You will spend the next month talking about her. And this is all being carried out in the midst of the greatest economic and public health catastrophe. You didn't see. About very way so for the readers though I don't understand I. DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU'RE GONNA. Explain it. You'RE GONNA. Explain it our. Listeners Be. Really dismayed by that choice. Anyway, go ahead, continue anyway. This is all happening. In the midst of this total national catastrophe, the misrule of the most dangerous president history, and there's this enormous fight that's going on in academia journalism sort of public intellectuals twitter that is about something and I. Am not sure what it's about an I please. Would you please explain it to me? What is the fight about? What is? What are we talking about? Who is who is an issue? What's at issue? Why is it an issue now? Berry waste was the New York Times, opinion, editor and writer. You wrote a resignation letter that was about her complaints about the times and how she felt. Bullied and also that she is being punished for what she called wrong. Think Capital W.. I actually recommend on this front. A piece Ross Dallas it another New York Times writer. He wrote a piece just sort of explaining what he thinks canceling canceled. Culture is and I thought it was very incisive, recommended so basically, the definition of getting quote canceled is to either be fired or have your reputation severely. Tarnished by people attacking your ideas, and obviously people get fired for lots of other reasons all the time. There are efforts to impose this kind of cancel cost a from both the right, and the left the real fighting about it right now is sort of this interesting fight on the left, and so yes David like amidst all the other problems we have. This confused will like. It's small and. And and the timing of it seems really troubled and weird to me actually, but I think a lot of people who did sign this letter that ran in Harper's. That was sort of like finger-wagging are concerned that the boundaries are shifting in the world of public intellectuals in a way that is making it harder to express contrarian ideas that there are costs for deviating from a kind of. Their view, increasingly narrow liberal framing of the big conflicts in our world. So I think the question is whether that's correct or not. Right like to me. The timing of this seemed all wrong so I chose not sign that Harper's letter, because it seemed to me either like a really unassailable statement of support for a broad range of views and free speech, which I am totally down with or kind of cross shot across the bow at a moment when they're these really important critiques about Racial Justice and who gets to speak in who has power in journalism, and in the kind of world of letters like. Just sort of bubbling to the surface and starting this debate and I want to be someone who's like undermining it right now. Anyway. That's my my first salvo James. What was what have you been following this? Do you feel like it matters? What are what are? What's your reaction? Yeah no I have been following. An I mean I think the point y'all made so far like for right David First of all your point about like well. What exactly is this? You know that we're talking about and then emily your point about the timing. I mean both of those feel like you know important points to me I mean for me I toggle back and forth about the utility of this conversation, because sometimes it feels important, even urgent, and then other times it feels. Pointless and exhausting, and it often just feels. Impossible, it seems like there's. Two ways into the conversation and the problem is neither of them is is is super. Fruitful one is to start with a specific case. Was this person? Barry Weiss or whoever you want to talk about. Where they treated fairly or not, when they were fired or criticize, had the reputation tarnished etc, and that all seems almost hopeless, because we're never going to know the details, enough details about how to adjudicate data. Where we land is more often be about how much we agree with the views of the person that has been criticized. That's to me that trouble of kind of working from the specific to the general, and the problem was working from the general to the specific kind of made the point when you said while the letter at one level. Like what kind of what could you disagree with so? Right it's true it's true that people are rude and some people are rude and mean and that social media in particular seems to be built for kind of outrage and sometimes even cruelty and that. Twitter is where nuance goes to die all right. All of these things are are are true, and it's also true that the best way to counter bad arguments is not to wish them away, but to confront them that you know good disagreements shouldn't get people fired or demoted and I and I at least WanNa. Live in a world where. People generally get second chances and try to repair relationships rather than. Ruptured, right, though the things all feel right to me and any letter that says things like that. You know I would be inclined to endorse and at the same time, right? It's also true that people empower should understand that criticism sometimes even hard criticism is a price that you have to pay for having the power. And that the central problem in American society. Throughout history and today isn't too much accountability people in power. It's too little accountability historically I mean. We're still sitting here right now with. With army bases that are named after. Soldiers who took up? The cause of slavery, and so it doesn't feel to me like we're at the stage where we're like post racism, where like the number one thing that we need to worry about is. People being to concerns about racism right so the major institutions are still overwhelmingly run by white people, and and by white man and so I. Don't know I guess I. Don't know what to say about that. I don't know does that. Would really help me if you guys could site for me if you're able to. Like. What's an example of someone who has been canceled I mean I I. Look at the. Andrew Sullivan Andrew. Who is a friend and who I think is a brilliant writer, and like said so many interesting important things over the years Andrews platforms. He's got places to write. No, there's nothing happening with Andrew. I. Mean I'm sure he's getting savaged on twitter and and ratio on twitter whatever it is but. Who Can? Of cancelation where someone is literally canceled their their their. Their career is gone because of something they have done or said. And even if it's just a moment of something they've done or said because that that's what's so hard. Well, I should just say that. One of my other main criticisms of this letter is that it's answer to your question was not specific. These weird sentences with passive construction like editors are fired for running controversial pieces. Well, you spend at the New York Times James also friend. Love and admire and he lost his job and that that is true. Yes, and there were some really sad things about that. It was also a complicated story, but there's also Ian Barama who'd gotten fired from the New York review of books for running wh-, excuse me what I thought was like a pretty horrible apology apiece about me to from a Canadian writer. His name is not in my head. And Barilla's signer of the letter, so maybe that sends his about him. Anyway I think the example of late that has really troubled me, and which does feel to me deeply unfair. Is this young researcher David sure who got fired from civics analytics. And I think actually talked about this on the gap best. He tweeted the research of this African American I believe sociologist. Who had looked into the question of the effect of different kinds of protests in the sixties, so protests that were entirely non-violent versus protests that included some looting or rioting, and sure tweeted about this, and then like people criticized him for being racist for sharing this research, and he was fired, and that did seem like a real over correction, but is it a trend is? Is it something that we have to worry about generally right like when social movements include a lot of upheaval and people are wrestling for power and taking power who haven't had it before, and who deserve to have more power. They're never going to like. Do with all correctly, right? It's going to be messy. They're not going to say everything with complete decorum. They're not gonNA. Only. Go so far that like the establishment finds acceptable. That's just not how it's going to be and so I don't mean to sound. Callous About David Chore From What I Know It and I don't know anything inside looks like he was treated very unfairly, but does that mean. We have some big problem in our culture of letters that we have to deal with I feel like that. I feel really uncertain about it. Just feels way way premature to decide that right now. I didn't follow that issue. There's the one I did follow his. Story about a woman who had shown up in kind of IRONIC BLACK FACE TO PAULO RANDOM HALLOWEEN party a couple of years ago in Washington, Random Party. It was a Washington Post cartoonist time told US party. Sorry, go ahead because I think randomly reason. It got ebbing. I agree with you this. Got, written at the Post wrote a three thousand word story about this woman and you know what happened. When she showed up in black face, he was trying to comment on Megan Kelly in black face, and it was disastrously stupid mistake and she felt terrible about it, and she went to therapy afterwards, and this was about what happened to two young women of color who who confronted her. and. There was nothing wrong with the story. There's nothing wrong with what these young women did to speak to her. What was wrong with this woman's employers fired her, and the problem wasn't with David. Short doesn't seem to me that that there was this. Reckoning or this attack on him on twitter or I don't know I don't know the issues well. The problem is what kind of employers like Oh. Yes, there's a mob at the gates. Here. Take have have have my employees body. Take it! I mean that seems to me where the failing is? It isn't that the debate is happening. It's at the these employers are gutless that they that they just. Are like toss people out the door. I wish I had. Read more about the David shore piece before having this conversation. Emily I thought that there was that the story was a little bit more complicated than the way you presented it, but it but but regardless. I think David Europe point. The I think the response to your point would be. That The people who are complaining about this part of their target is the employer's right. They want employers to not. Inappropriately fire people for four. Wants to win. Those people have been criticized by you. Know by the mob, or you know on twitter, or or in whatever whatever sends now again. I I I'm not taking a position on any of the particular cases. Just because again. My view is that and I think that the David shore went is an example of this is that we simply do not know enough about everything that happened and everything that that employer was aware of and again I might have this wrong but I thought that there was a nondisclosure agreement. That was signed in that case which that's true. Yeah. That's why we don't okay, but as A. Lawyer when when I hear that there's a nondisclosure agreement. My immediate thought is. That there are some things that both parties don't want to disclose and well, but I think it was maybe a pre existing anyway, getting into the weeds. This I'm not positive about that. Is He is one of the issues is one of the things that. Who which side is the side that wants all ideas to be expressed in this. Feels to me like we're not. We're not in a world where people are unable to express. Ideas everywhere. It's too many ideas. Like people people need to chill out and listen a little bit more and stop expressing. Fair I think a lot of this is just about social media. Like yeah, you can express any idea, but the consequences of expressing some ideas can be that you have a ton of people come after you on social media now. I have two minds about that. Part of May just thinks like you have to have a thick skin if you wanNA express controversial ideas that Togo's. You don't have to look the other side, though is if it's starting to translate into real world, consequences like firing than we do have to take this seriously and also who work online when they're online presence gets firebombed in that way. That's a huge problem, so there was another casualty. Casualty of this letter, Trans writer at Fox named Emily Vander. Worth wrote a post and also I think a letter to her HR department, in which she was critical of medical easiest, who is one of her colleagues? One of the CO founders of vox he had signed a letter and Emily's note said she didn't want any kind of professional repercussions format, but she wanted know she was really disappointed that he'd signed the letter because J., K. Rowling who's written some anti trans things and kind of made a point of doing that had signed the letter along with other people who've been part of this discussion in a way. I think Trans people have been critical of. Emily Vander worth ended up, being just like completely trolled in this horrible horrible way on the work of Yes. Awful. Why has the right wing like media? You know places like the daily caller got a hold of this post and just really really went after her. But that. What what possible criticism could there be of her? Saying that saying it's sort of? Like in that respectful of well, she did also say that Matt had made her feel slightly less safe. So that's okay. Yes, well. She was seen even though she said I. Don't want to have any professional repercussions I think the part of an I do not share. This view I felt terrible for her. What happened, but I think there were people who are super skeptical. We're like this is really disingenuous. You're calling out one of your colleagues in this public way. You know you're pretending that you don't want him canceled. Slash fired. Actually you do, and so then there was a lot of suspicion of her, and then this sort of horrible migration into right world, crazy town land. I just to me the that it was an example of the fact that the people who end up really bearing the brunt of this kind of trolling are people from disadvantaged marginalized groups. It was not an accident that the person who ended up like bearing so much of the brunt of this was a trans person. Now this also happened to a lot huge tidal wave of trolling to Jenny Boylan who's also had signed the letter, and there's just something so sad and awful about that right that like the people who are vulnerable ended up paying a price for this discussion that lots of. Much more. kind of traditionally safe white cysts, male writers were not having any kind of repercussions like that. Come their way Anyway. That is both about this cultural moment, and also just like the real pitfalls of Social Media David Can I. Ask you a question a mile to do that. Yes, it was just wondering David if you if you think there is. Any problem here. That's worth talking about and by problem. I really do mean. Taking a position I, mean the problem might be that you know the problem might be. There's too much criticism of holding people accountable, or the problem might be that there's too much vitriol and. Pushing people out of jobs or or sort of harassing people so. Thoroughly Online. Do you think there's a problem on either side well I. Let me try to get to that, so I was thinking about metoo. And when metoo happened, it was so clear in. Virtually every case of somebody who had their career ruined, and and their reputation disgraced in almost every case there, and you can argue in a couple of margin that those people were real serial misbehaviors. Who? Done grotesque things, sometimes criminal things, and it was hard to work up a lot of. Sympathy for everyone involved in that. This. What's going on here? I find so confounding confusing the only through thread that I see that I can hold onto, and then I'm going to try to spin into a rope. Is that the Internet culture? The way that people talk to each other engage with each other and gather around each other and gang up on each other is a very bad thing. that. The the theme here seems to be the Internet. Has this capacity to cause fission reaction? That just makes everything explode in a way that things get blown up when they should win. That shouldn't when they shouldn't get blown up. There should just be a small little fire instead and. And, that part has me concerned and I don't know whether I'm concerned because I am on the side of the harpers. Letter writers counter letter I. Just can't. I literally can't even wrap my head around I. Feel like the medium and the way. These debates are constructed I just. Looking at twitter a little bit. You know from the time I spent I. Look at twitter, a lot of the time I spent on twitter and just feel like man I don't WanNa. Be In these conversations I don't want to engage. This seems like such a poisonous toxic way to engage with with people, and that makes me feel like it's the medium is the problem not either the people who want free speech or don't want free speech or want to cancel or don't want to be cancelled that that part of it is harder for me to follow. It's the medium that has me concerned. That seems right to me, and I get an, and this is perhaps an obvious point by what's so hard about that. Is. To connect to. You know the police reform conversation of criminal justice conversation. We were just having or even the me conversation. There are so many instances where the bad actors. The only reason they were revealed that enough outrage was generated to. Hold them to account was because of because because of the Internet and twitter, and I don't I just I. Don't know what to do about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a great. Dilemma to bring up I sometimes feel like journalists in particular would be so much better off without twitter, because we are not at our best in that forum, and it leads to the kind of vicious debates that are not really that constant with our profession in some ways right like we don't offenders, we need editors, but then of course what you just said James is totally true. When I get out of my own sort of narrow slice of this world, you see how important these tools are for bring pressure to bear mostly on government officials and people who had no forum for? That had no voice who were dismissed. The gatekeeper publishers like now they have this direct line. It's incredibly powerful, and it can be really important. You're absolutely right. Yeah, I mean both the point you guys maker true, and it's a good tonic to my unsettled miss about. The social media I was just going to say to connect this back to the conversation. We were having in the very beginning when we were talking about emily both talked about our our personal choices and I am somebody that that likes to think in terms of structures and institutions on by this this dilemma about the Internet and what you are suggesting about the role of journalists does does make me think that we don't yet have a structural fix to this problem of the Internet, but we can do. Is Think about our own personal use in our own personal consumption, and how we behave and how we perform. And it does feel a little bit like. The obligation for maintaining. What's really good about this medium and tamp down? What's bad? Resides with us. Let's go to cocktail chatter. Apparently. James former junior is not a big fan of cocktail parties, but I'm hoping he's a fan of cocktails, even without the parties. So James when you're when you're having a cocktail, not at a party just with some other persons any human being maybe with your with your child. I hope you're having a cocktail with you when you talk to. What are you going to be chattering about with them? I think I'm going to recommend a family dinner activity I. Don't know about Y'all, but a long time ago, we gave up asking our son. How is your day? Because we never get a response, you know other than fine. But, it turns out. He has plenty to say if we ask the question a little bit differently, so for years we've had dinner time. Activities like peaks pits where we go around the table and talk about highlights and lowlights of our day or two truths and ally where you say three things that happened to you that day, two of them being true one of them being made up everybody how everybody else has to guess, which is the lie? So by chatters about a company that I found recently called for Telus based out of the Netherlands and they produce a card game, which for us has been a great way to prompt family dinner conversations, so the game is essentially a stack of cards with a question on each one, and we don't play it as a game. Exactly we just have our son pick a card out of the stack each night. And then we all answer the prompt and the cards have questions. Questions like if you win the lottery tomorrow. which three things would you do? I store on one that our son is really enjoyed. What do or are or don't you like about your upbringing? And so our son loves this and some of the questions resonate with him and when they don't. He picks another one, but lots of them do, and he often ends up actually wanting to pick more than one card, which given the television awaits after dinner. We consider a could sign. This game you can find that at tell us dot, com, and I highly recommend it. Emily top that form in chatter. My cocktail chatter this week. is about a really interesting I would say investigation. That NPR did NPR tried to figure out how many ballots have been rejected. How many mail in ballots specifically in the primaries? Thus far and they're concerned about this obviously is that we can. Can expect a much higher percentage and just higher number of mail in ballots in November, and so they're trying to figure out what's the risk here of these ballots, not getting counted, and they found about so far this year, sixty five thousand absentee ballots had been rejected because they arrived passed the deadline. Often through no fault of the voter. There are also other problems with signature matching. And other technical philosophy come into play and what NPR was finding was that about one percent of the ballots in these races were being rejected, and that's actually high when you start thinking of thousands of people being disenfranchised so I think the question here is what stage should be doing about this. There are already a bunch of court challenges of the democratic. Party has been behind to try to extend deadlines to give people more time to return the ballot. Does the ballot after arrive by election day, or could it just be postmarked by election day? Are there other ways we can try to make sure that people who WanNa, vote wind up having their votes counted, so check out this NPR story. It is by Pan Bessler more. My chatter is about a photograph that Mike pompeo shared on social. Media Secretary of State Pompeo. Pompeo so it's a photo of pompeo's dog with a surrounded by a bunch of toys, most prominently a Winnie the Pooh Toy and I think the caption was something like Mercer, presumably, the name, the dog, which is weird, I wonder if he named his isn't mercer a really rich Republican. Funder Robert Mercer! One of those Republican funders anyway. Mercer with his favor toys. There is a vast amount of speculation which appears to be founded in truth that this is a coded insult to Xi Jinping, and the Chinese, because Winnie the Pooh is a sensor nickname for Xi Jinping. You cannot search for Winnie the Pooh on the Chinese Internet. If you do, you'll just get sort of harmless. Government controlled pages his because he reportedly has, he looks his body type. He looks a little push his body type and people who know a lot about the Chinese internet and know about what's what's going on. Think that this clearly a coded insult that POMPEO has sent. Towards the Chinese. I don't know what to make of IT I. Don't know if this is good strategy. It's a bad strategy. It doesn't appear to have actually made it onto the Chinese Internet because as I said Winnie the Pooh is censored, so if you search for this in China, you wouldn't see it anyway, but is it useful for Mike Pompeo to be taunting mysteriously secretly photographic taunting Xi Jinping in this way I don't know. Maybe it's good. I'm not sure, but it's just. It's just A. Curious curious episode and I would love for someone who knows a lot about. China and the Chinese Internet and Mike Pompeo to tell me whether this is in fact, some do. needling strategy that the US has to try to unsettle Xi Jinping. Listeners you have sent us. Great chatters again this week. You've tweeted them to us at slate Geffen. Thank you very much. Please keep them coming. And actually we have a a China related listener. Chatter to James Edward Dillard at James. dillard sends over a podcast which I've not yet listened to but I'm super excited about it, but it's a podcast about the different kinds of corruption in China in which one's hurt economic growth in which ones do not hurt hurt economic growth and it's called. How corruption works in China. It's a podcast called China talk and I'm excited to listen to it, so thanks for sending that James, dillard. That is our show for today. The gap is produced by Johnson. Frank. Researchers Bridget dunlap Gabriel Roth is editorial director. June, Thomas is managing producer a leash. Montgomery is the executive producer of slate podcast. You should follow us on twitter at slate gap best and tweet chatter to us there. For Emily Lan and James Former junior so great to have you. James You should definitely definitely definitely come back I am David Plots. Thanks for listening. We will talk to you next week. Hello slate plus our you. James came on the show as we talked about during the show, promising optimism traumas. Of Sunlight Dr Time. Failed miserably at that he was gloomy as you'd expect, given the news as gloomy as main, but but he promises now in our slate plus segment to bring some cheer and optimism to the world, so Jane's. You've started a program. It's called. I think it's called the access to law school program, and we're GONNA. Talk about it, so tell us what it is who it's four. Why did you start it? And what its purpose! It's going to be absolutely I. I appreciate having the chance to talk about it now. Say Upfront so that any listeners are primed I am looking for a new name for the program that access to law school program is kind of a placeholder. So if anybody hears this and is Has it idea for for a name? They can communicate it to me on twitter, or however you want to do it the idea of the program. Is that. We're recruiting twenty fellows from the new haven area is important for me to this that this is a local program and I'll talk a little bit about that, but these are aspiring in some sense of the word law student, so you have to be a junior or a senior in college, or you can be a college graduate, and indeed we've gotten all the applications in, and we have a bunch of people that have been out of college for five ten fifteen years in some cases. The kind of person that always you know maybe argues allow, but their friends always thought. Oh, maybe you should go to law. People said you should go to law school, but life got in the way. They. Had they had kids are they got off track they got incarcerated were very aggressively recruiting from among people that have been in- incarcerated and in the criminal legal system, and so along with twelve year law students who are going to be taking a seminar with me on this topic. We're going to be teaching this year long class, which is going to be about exposure to different legal careers, lots of people think. Lawyer but they don't actually know what. The real careers are a how to navigate the admissions process how to navigate the financial aid process how to deal with stereotype threat and imposter syndrome. And micro and macro aggressions that as a minority student, a student of color or first generation student, you will face, and I should say I should have said this earlier were really targeting to of color, underrepresented minorities and first generation, a students, and also a very intensive lsat, which is test you have to take to get into law school preparation program, so the basic idea is to try to provide students that have a lot of potential, but not a lot of access the kind of Of Resources and support that students from a wealthier background. Maybe just take for granted. You know I'm hopeful that we launch this fall. 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Your Mom's House

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490-Wheeler Walker Jr. Too Short & Kevin Blatt-Your Mom's House with Christina P and Tom Segura

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She's doing real well off very inspiring. That this show today is loaded. God too much. Good stuff to get into. Okay. Let's go ahead and start the show. Ma'am. This may be likely. Down find your business. Man. Always Randy Rian when loving viz. We'll go to your mom's house with tone Sikora. Christina. Oh, nah. How are you with? Really funny that you would ask what's your Tom today? He him. Wow. Traditional Zizou him. He him. I'm always they you are. Well, yeah. I'm my gender is fluid throughout the program. Oh, so you can go anywhere. I started as a woman this morning, but I'm feeling a little neutral right now. Yeah. It's nice about. So you feel coffee gendered. Hey, that's a new one. Yeah. I really like that. It's it's, ma'am. Ma'am. Like gosh. She can't tell why somebody would be confused by you. I mean, the the righteous indignation over the confusion Irish. Clearly, I. I respect. And I really do if anybody was like, here's my. Yeah. My Pronin McCall you buy your pronoun, preferred pronoun, but you got to expect some steak. Out of the gate, right? There's no way you're walking around like that. 'cause she looks like she could, you know, start at defensive tackle, right? In here. Ma'am, ma'am. He likes. Need some down? Find your business. Man, who I guess she is at game stop or something. Like that. Right. Yes. I'm like that. Let's just call it a nondescript game store. Okay. A nondescript game store trying to I think make a return. And I think it's you know, she's being offered as all game stores. Do your like brought this for sixty bucks. We'll give you two dollars. Okay. So trying to maybe do a sale like return or something like that. And then gets indignant very upset about a think the offer this being made for the game. And then is mis gendered. Sir. You guys right before fucking sense. Her take it outside. So you're plucking, sir. Motherfucker? Oh, and then she kicks over him merchandise there. I like how it will. Hey, her genders fluid too. Because when she wants to serve she can be that she did say, I'll show you a, sir. She's like fucking show you so that's cert-. That's masci. That's pretty fluid. Yeah. Talk about how miss Jenner several times store. Oh, I need to corporate number now. You. I'm gonna ask you for the fifth time to stop calling. Not no clearly, man. I'm not not. Disrespecting transpeople store telling you tire LGBTQ, you're going over this. Damn. She's so fired up. It's almost like they now I kind of feel bad. You know? I do I do. 'cause I imagine it's very difficult. When you when you are trying to present one way people keep MS 'gendering your league, dude. You know, what I learned from? What was that show lost in translation or trans life or? Yeah. Yeah. TLC one is like member. There was a guy who was transitioning Boston transition Lawson transition. Yeah. There's a guy who was transitioning to a woman and had just basically started and look like me with longer hair Iran, the no beard, but like big shoulders, and she was getting her nails done. And somebody was like, hey, man. And she was like. Why are people calling me like well because you look like a fat guy with a pink with a pink crop top leg the pink. Crop top doesn't mask everything is yet to give it some time traps food. Shoulders. I wanna get my nails done. They're like. Okay. And then it was like, sir. She's a, dammit. What do I gotta do? I've been doing this for two weeks. I don't know you need a lot more surgery. I know and to I think I would it would be router of me to be like, what should I call you? I don't know what you are really. How should I what pronoun should I call you feel like that might be more rude? Really? Yeah. Than just making an assumption expert, right? Hey, hey, how are you? What are you? What's your what's your name, which are pronoun should do? Yeah. I don't know. I would feel more route anything. No, no now that I hear it. And I see this. Yeah. No, I feel like you probably should. But and you know, delete in is you know, what you doing? It's what's your name? What's your name? 'cause sometimes someone's going to be like, oh, it's Angela. I was gonna go. Okay. But then you get thing. What if it's Pat Chris, Terry? But like, then the if you're following it up, what's your name, which pronoun then? It's like you're trying to make an effort. And if the fuck you asked me if we're gonna I'm sorry. Kyle guy with the fuck. Sorry. I just thought maybe the well. And here's the here's the deal, man. Here's the problem is that a lot of these. I'd I would if I had another if I had more time in my life. I would become like a trans coach, and I would help women dress women dressed like more feminine. The problem is these bitches are trying to dress like their car dash e in hot and they wear like the velour tracksuits that casual female style. Like, if you're gonna if you're a new female, you gotta really fem at up. So that the the public knows like, oh, they're very much presenting as a female. Yeah. Yeah. You know, what I mean that's kind of go overboard, and then this is dressed up. And then when you're more changed than then you can dress down as a hatchet. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, I go big dangling earrings. Right. We're on real obvious real long long, long hair extensions shit. You can't be like just like casually gurvey. Gervais? No, dude. Like I can pass as a unit. This is casual girl. Yeah. What are you saying? I mean present as a woman sometimes. To my next topic. I was on the airplane traveling. I don't know if you do we doing I wasn't Madison. Oh, do you like big tits? Now, we're talking. That's my. Yeah. She's got big tits to she's got big old, and she doesn't like to wear a bra anyway. So any huddles I don't know if you do this, and I wrote this down because I wanted to talk talk about it when you're on a plane, you're an airport, and you're looking at people. And let me preface prefaces by saying it's so random who you end up with in life. Right. It's crazy. It's a matter of lake that night, I could have gone out with a different comedian different person. And then falling in love with somebody else. Ineligible. Totally different life. You have one that doesn't involve sold out the IRS. Ferrari as McDonald's sponsorships. I mean, I'm fucking ball. Preface. I clearly made the right choice alert, but do you ever stop? And think like sometimes I'll be like what if I wasn't like with Tommy giver see people every day and the player like what if that was my spouse all the time, really course. But then I immediately find a flaw and the stranger and I'm like, but we would never work out. Because like I were top siders that's top siders the gays thing. Find something like where you're like, man. Yeah. Got french. She's got French manic. Yeah. Could hate Frenchman it. Yeah. And then like, I could never love somebody with a five man telling her like, you know, you got a lot going for you. But. Solid Colorado now. I feel like Ellington to that's so funny. Like if like, for instance in Madison it was so cold, it's like two degrees. And then there's a guy in front of me who gets on the plane wearing shorts and sandals in sandals. And you're like, I could never love you. I could never love you big, mentally, we see the world so human beings. It's completely should be like mandatory that you're mind plays that game and your mind should also if you're somewhat unless you're like miserable. But your mind should get to the point where it goes like, this one workout. That's our game that your mind place. I think everyone does that though. Yeah. You see the person you're like I could be married to you make. I don't ever think I go like I'll see him nice looking guy. And it'll be like I wonder what they're like like what's wrong with that guy. 'cause there's always some there's always a rub with people. There's always they're they're giving their take and their bad sides. And you're like what's the darkness and now personally what's their flaw? And then you know, you make one up in your head guys. Sometimes you'd be like, yeah. Yeah. What if I was married to her? Then she starts talking. Like this bitch never shuts up. Yeah. Or you'll be like us just give good head. You can see the way she's anything. So you get hell that just by watching casually. Just why in my head? I'm making it up, but she gives bad blow. John. She doesn't use spit enough. Does he always neglects the balls? Yeah. Yeah. That's what you're worried about is the blow job quality. Well, also, you know, like just conversation is a big one. Right. So I'll start being like that. What if I was married to her? And then she starts talking. I'm like, oh for fucks that one a lot. If I were married to somebody wasn't a comedian how difficult that would be for me because I have to pretend like I'm this normal personal a time. Yeah. Because I did date an attorney before you. And I when I became a comedian it ruined. Our damning. I've had it now where have met a few people, and I have just I don't know. I guess my professional demeanor on with them. Like, just polite. Nice. You know, a couple times, then they come to a show like, whoa. Let's really who. I am. I met you at like, whatever, you know. Yeah. Counting office or something reigned in 'cause I like on this show. I get to be myself one hundred percent in our home life. I'm one hundred percent me. But then if I you know, I'm at the airport. If I am I'm trying to be normal. It's it's a concerted effort for me to hold it together. And not say what exactly what I'm thinking? All the time. Of course. And I it takes a very, and you know, what I love about you too. And I told you this the other day, why think I'm so lucky to have you. I'm so messy, you really brought you really into that. I'm so messy. Thank never giving me should about being method in fifteen year together. You've never once been like God damn you pick up your fucking underwear only pick up your so like you've never and you let me wear any of your shirts to bed. Ever not to 'cause I've had friends in the past who have been like you can't wear that shirt. That's like my good one or what I know. Okay. Horrible people. Right. See that's why only marry you bay. Of course, I go retarded. No, I'm not into that. No. But you never give me shit about it either. Now SE I know what that's why we work out. I know thank gosh. Almost married this guy on the plane, then there's no there's no specific. But like literally, I'll be sitting touch his leg. No. I'm sitting in the plan likes people pass me by be like can. I can I love that person. Now to hear about the ones that person. It's it's very specific for me. I'd like to see some photos. Okay. Next time. I find a guy think I might love if I could love that person. Also doing the same thing. I think I might love her. Could I love her could? I think I might love her. It's Ken I love this person. And then you have to find the flaw, and then we hooked up. Right. Fucked her and she hears the game, Tom the game is. The game. Only lasts a total of ten seconds by the wing way last long. If I haven't done it in a while. Now, I mean the game of everything. No, no. Here's the game. You're on a plane. You're watching people filing you go. Could I love this person? And then with intense. I you find the flaw and you're like, that's why. If you don't find the float are you my God. That's the one. No, you'll always find the flaw because in my mind, because I go I'll be like that guy's way too neat. He would never put up, Tom. What's up with see those Taipei women too? Who are like perfect on imagine. How mad they would get at me. Oh my God. What is this the farting in the burping? Crashing crashed my armpits. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be like oh shit. That's a big shit earlier. Oh, like, you know, I did not sign up for this. What you got now. New man now. And then so there's that story so play that with your spouse. If you're listening on curious to see what you guys come up with dealbreakers strangers. Maybe run your finger along you crack offs. You don't need to figure your whole shit. Game to play with your spouse too. You gotta know what your smells are gonna learn stupid. You do have to learn your, smells, you know. You're smells kind of know them a little more. Everybody knows their own smell, do, you know, your ass mosaic? Yeah. From running your finger along it. I don't have to run my finger. I feel like I do now. Yeah. Don't you get with every now? And then if our because but nuts. Compression shorts to the gym yesterday. And then I didn't have time the shower we went to that appointment, then I came back and man realize strip down the bathroom. I was like who ripe. Yeah. Really right d- wash the shorts. I how I put them back on right away. Yeah. Yeah. What? Kind of brew. How many guys listening are like? Yeah. Just put him back on all those guys right now. We're like oh keep talking. That's hot not stink. Yeah. Yeah. So weird that that smell which are not smell. So weird out coach, I wouldn't even know what to do coach. Yup. And so also another topic. I wanted to bring up is that when I was a way you came. You have a new thing you've found the new show. Oh, yeah. I'm really excited and actually inform me, I think you're going to be happy about this. I now think it is stupid. Yeah. And wasteful to get jewelry for my fortieth. Thank heal. Yes. Thank you praise Jesus. There's no utility and jewelry. Absolutely a hundred percent, right. So the idea that you would spend that amount of money on just put around my neck silliness. It's stupid, and Danny Brown's had someone could come and snatch. It exactly why I want to refocus K my efforts and yours hopefully into getting a jet. I was watching the show selling jets where couples who look like they own jets were buying Jack fate how much. Money. Do you think we have like we don't McDonald's we had to give back the money? We don't have two million. Here's the great thing. I learned that most jet brokers let you just put twenty percent down. So it's like buying a house. And we just need how much twenty percent for jet. Well, that's the thing is that there's so many options, you know, like there's light jets mid size jets super at mid heavy. I mean, I think it right now, we're probably looking at like a super light or something, you know, how much is that. I mean, that's the thing. I don't think I don't wanna get lost in the weeds of the numbers. Okay. I think it's just getting that it makes a lot of sense. Yeah. So much more utility than chain you so funny. I can I know I can hear the future we have to get. We also have to buy the helicopter that goes with the jet doesn't it later? That's like three years from the eye, and then we have to build the helipad on top of the house. That's a great idea to buy the yacht with the helicopter landing pad. We Awadhi chopper. You can landed on your yacht. Right. Look all here. Just a few loans. Yeah. Okay. A few loans. We gotta get some loans. How many millions of dollars we're talking about? That's the fun part. Is you can decide, you know, you just basically look at you know, your needs. The person. Here's the great thing. I've found out Rockefeller and his phone out that through executive charter services that manages. Jets. We can bring them basically our whole operating costs by at least fifty percent just by chartering it out one hundred and fifty hours year kind. Who are we? I don't know. I just think it's a good idea anyways, turning forty in a couple months, and I'm looking forward to seeing. In the driveway like God. I would get. Yes. But. What would our church think? I mean, that's true. They don't we'd you know what I mean. They're gonna be like, why aren't you donating money to church? You should be giving it to us to get you to just sign off on this. Jed idea thing. There's nothing you can say that would make this remotely logic. I got an idea. I'll donate some of my flying hours to the church. Okay. Deal you guys over deal, homey. You know, important it is for the church. Me and my church. I need my priests to be able to fly around in comfort. All right. Yeah. The point. No now, it's insanity. I mean, it's you're talking like a crazy person one dream. I can pursue report. Here's here's what we'll tell you real real talk. If you're at that like Ron white level where I no one has a plane crazy. That's what I'm saying. Like, if you're there, and I got an idea makes sense. Hey, we got a book Ron white. He's the gotta get him on here. We gotta talk about we got a line to talk doesn't he live in Florida or the south somewhere? Here's a Texas place. But he's an LA a lot Gotti. Sometimes just need them to do a sales pitch on. Why would you get a plane? All right. Great idea. Thanks, a lover nexrad. Rod in advance. All right. Anne, also, we I mean. I'm still upset about it. We watched the Michael Jackson. Yeah. We need to actually we're going to do this. I think this would be a great conversation to have with our very own. Josh Potter, the expert in creeps alad. Yeah. Sad, dude. A why don't we should we stop down for a moment? Okay. Hold on one second. Oh, why don't you do? Oh. And then we will take. A break in a moment. Go ahead Jeanne. Yes. All right. It is twenty nineteen. It is now March twenty nineteen did you build a website that you said you were going to build? 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I guess any effect is done. That's true. Their affects on me. So far have been the same in that is no effect. So we're still a no come recently. I have I have put some reps in. Yep. Sort of some research, if you will the, you know to keep finding the bottom of this mystery. And I did I started at the bottom. And now we're here. And so far, I've gathered some research, I think I need to have like a a brain or Gazza m-. I you know, what I'm saying like connection with somebody mean. Yeah. Because I drift away that what is that? Oh, that's my bedroom. That's where I bring girls to come. You like it don't I had a girl. Not like it recently say, yeah. Gonna die here. She was cold. And let me tell you. Why don't you describe breakdown describe it describe it? Well, listen, a it's clean. So that's wonderful. You're ready. A step ahead anything's. So there's no way to rate. So it's just like a bed in a corner. And there's I've Atlanta. And you have a candle. Hey, that's a for effort, and that's my we'd next to it. And that's your we'd good. I mean, look, it's sparse. But I like that it's clean, and I liked the even have a frame headboard. When I got there. So oh, really I was really pumped about that. I've never had one of those before I've slept on our mattress, I've slept on a regular mattress lay sleeping on. Now. That's a temper dog. It's good as sought vote. But it's you know, I walking that out immediately. I mean, I'll take I'll take a new mattress for sure that suitcase. That's a suitcase, by the way. I see that. And then what's draped over the headboard those headphones on oh, that's just the lines from the oh, I tell you number one. What's wrong? Yeah. That his bed is pushed against the cold windows. Of course, you do. But any woman who's laying nude and your bed or semi clothes? It's fucking cold. You're not supposed to sleep next to these total lunatic with Cochran complained. Also that I like, I don't have enough like pillows or something. How many pills I have one? That's I've only one head wait one one pillow. Why can you see what about for the chick comes over? I get one from a couch or something. No, she can't sleeve on a. One pillow tells a woman. Not going to be well, I think experience into pillows presumptuous. Human sleep onto pillow. You deserve to pillows. Yeah. My cell. That for God blue ban. Do you sleep onto pillows? I'm not a psycho. I'm not a psycho. Yeah. That's a psycho. Move your head. You're badge. Four pillow Odal, lots more. I don't even have four of anything in there. No, you should get four pillows. I don't have even four blankets to for you to for the lady that's not gonna live long after she lives there. Okay. Let me ask you this. What's what's the medieval? The medieval tapestry, that's the Buffalo Bills. Buffalo Bills helmet. What? Okay that interesting serial killer. Now, this looks it looks like he's got a medieval Kadett history. Buffalo Bills blanket that I got from a couch. Now, let's take that off that this terrible. But I don't have any dog blanket you want. Let's get you a different style blanket. You know? Okay. Yeah. That's not a bedroom blanket, and that's just some clutter at the end of my bed. It's actually pretty bare. How I live dude. I that suitcase. I put that down the day, I moved in. That's where it stays. It's like my nights. So where do you have a nightstand? Nightstand. Nightstand. Nightstand. UK sauce now. No, I. But I mean, you know, you're not a freshman in college. Right. So yeah. But I mean, like, I guess here's a thing. Like real. I always think the next day. They're gonna throw me out of these places. Why not? I mean, I don't know. I lived in so many here now for a while. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's been this is maybe one of the longest departments I've ever lived in my whole life. So that's why it's like can you take him Jesus Christ taking Kia? Let's go shopping baby. Yet, you need help get you some pillows and different blanket. I'll tell you another thing that they that hang on the wall. That's where I get that. I don't have. I don't have nothing zero. It's all bear. Yeah. He's because he's living like, he's a transient be kicked out. Why do you think you're gonna get kicked out at any moment? Is that a real threat never been kicked out of apartment, but I've had to move at a rapid pace a lot. And then like, you know, you on the road sometimes you don't avenue apartment. Yeah. You just kinda living other people's apartments. Do you think you'll stay here for a while? I want to stay for a long time the bare walls, not good. No. What do I get like a socially like Jim Kelly poster or something? Football. No, boom. Now, we need just let's just go. Get your ladder football player. Like Ray Lewis. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Heavy like, you know, Wales jumping out of the water. Liane Miller lite, so. Yeah. Three D one. We have to squint your eyes and the image pops out. Where would you rather spend an evening in my bedroom? Or in the now, vacant Neverland ranch. So yeah, we were getting on the topic. I mean, like if you want to listen to Michael Jackson's music don't watch that documentary 'cause it's so hard to go back to love him out. All that. I mean, the part that makes me the craziest that he wasn't trying to conceal the fact that he was a pedia file as dad says. Yes, there is no concealing it like in the eighties. He he paraded his his boys around out in the open end. He did that. Yeah. And we all were complicit everybody was like manual Lewis date, the Grammys cool. No problem kids. He likes kids guy. Yeah. Jay Leno would make a joke at night being like kids pants are f- off. And then everyone would laugh and we'd all clap. And then we listened to thriller and that would be that the alternate. He was the ultimate like we've seen this with people that are talented where we talent pollutes our mind into excusing certain behaviors hall, Pat, he is the ultimate talent in name where he was so famous and so talented that we were like, he fucks boys. But I mean, have you seen thriller place? Yeah. That's what the sentiment that weird with kids. But boil a studio, thanks Matt really off the wall was a pretty ball. Is scene that moonwalk? I mean touch my kid damn by the way in that documentary, if they if the parents were my parents, and they were like they were like, hey, sorry. We've been separating from your child so much. We just need we want you to have the nicest hotel, suite my mom would have been like. Yeah. You can fuck them too. Hotel, suite. That'd be don't all. Maybe like just do whatever you want. Actually, I think my mom would be the she would have been. I would bend like so pissed at her. She would have been like you can't go hang out with Michael Jagai. Be like fuck you go. Listen to Michael Jackson in my room and turn the music up. Real out would be. But mommy said we're gonna fuck that she'd be like. It's a disturbing dot. What's most disturbing to me? Is that the parents are still recounting the the events with Michael fondly like then we got to fly first class all grey glimmer in there. I talk about it. It's sickening. Yeah. They're still recalling it like it was just a pleasant hail. Nothing. Bad happened. Situation again, they'd be like, yeah. I think it all turned out fine. It's worth that. We got to ride in a limousine. Wade Robson's mom seemed unfazed. Yeah. Well, my son became a dancing prodigy. Yeah. So she's like how bad wasn't. She makes a way she looks at her face. It's they all were like, it was really an interesting house. They went I wanted to bring up the house actually because it is for sale right now. Do you know that Neverland ranch is four said, I mean besides on this jet. Okay. What's the number? Well, I want you because it went on sale initially in twenty fifteen and it was worth one hundred million dollars. Now since this documentaries. Yeah. Let's talk about the Barnaby value has dropped sig -nificant. Okay. Where do you think? It's at right now. Damn that's five hundred thousand came out. Yes. Really? Yes. Let's that other. That other. We'll also the pre prelude to this coming out in. Yeah. People talk because we're saying, you know, this is gonna change the way you hype on this before it came out. So in the wake of that where do you think it shows up in the mining to the nun sexual abuser? It's probably a turnoff. But I think to somebody that celebrates pedia files like my dad, it's a PDF file hall of fame. Covered in that can't. And if you're you're. File talking about before we get the number that one of the guys was talking about all the rooms. That's another that's going to. I think. You know, the detail. Here we did hear. Whereas before if you didn't know any of the stuff you'd be like, I wanna have this Michael Jackson house to remember honor. Michael Jackson, how you'd be like, we got tear this shit apartment. Yes. Well, like a murder. Let me preface by saying I had lunch. One time at the Charles Manson murder house right now, I want to get to that in a guess, you're okay. So okay to be clear discounted land. Hold on her land is discounted land and significantly child tax land. Yes. This was price at one hundred million injured went down to seventy. I'm gonna go low or I'm gonna go. Seventy twenty five million AM you are in the department. You're kidding. Seventy percent is now listed at thirty one million dollars. I don't think it's going to go up. Now, you just Bengal, but he owns I don't I don't know who the broker is. Paris. We this is where I had the cotton candy machine. Newsman monkeys played. And this is all the time. Do you think you talk like that? Because you know, he was like. Imagine play. Joe he'd have like is ignorant is ignorant on the do you think behind you? Shits? Yes. Yes. Yes. I think he put on that. Yeah. Yeah. Total. Genta? I'm a lack children's how did he get his how did he get a skin lighter, though, that's all surgeries when you have that much money. You can do anything. He made his daughter in a lab. She's gorgeous gorgeous probably started with asshole. And then he was like Jesse releases Astle. Think. So I'm going for this. Yeah. Showing it to the doctors know take a look, and there that is pretty white is there was a point where he was perfect. I would say when he came out in thriller. He really looked has knows a good place. He was cute awful all little rough. But that's the thriller arted plastic surgery. Yeah. If you hadn't pushed it past that, he's yeah. It would have been like, oh, this guy had a little work done. But he. Yeah. And then he just kept going that do have plastic surgery. He became probably addicted to it total body this morphine. I share you know, but you you bench in the Charles Manson Manson that you went to visit. So I had lunch. One time at on Cielo drive, and I spoke to the gentleman that purchased at any said, well, yeah that murder land is discounted land. So your audit at almost half price. It was a tear down executory down. And he built this completely garish nuns, multiple waterfalls and Elvis Presley room, the guy's a total. But this is not a this is a common thing jonbenet. Ramsey's house has been for sale forever. That had to change the fuck in street name. Jay house didn't even killer there. That's. That's those apartments still function fucking unit. Fuck. Fuck I got a bed in a suitcase move into their. I got a lease and a key. The question is would you rather live in a home where a terrible murders occurred. Yeah. Or the never land murder murder. All everyone say murder. Why what is the ultimate eve? The worst evil is definitely what Michael was doing. There's nothing more evil and sadistic. But I'm thinking in terms of aftermath. You know, like an in terms of living in a place, the murder, they splayed open. Their guts are everywhere. Blood everywhere show, you clean it. But that happened a person was inside out in the home. Don't care not compare care. Happy new kid. Yeah. But there's nothing. I mean, there's nothing rather. Bathe in the blood of one hundred slaughtered women's meet even step into a room or something happened to. Well Manson in the Sharon Tate murders. She was seven months pregnant, they cut open her pregnant belly took her baby. Say I would live in the Manson house over Neverland eighty five day is terrible. I mean, look man even in prison inmates have a code. What Michael was doing is? Oh, yeah. I would have signed up to watch. This. Do you think are Kelly's far Kelly does go to prison you think they fought him up there? Like they fuck with him. They won't put him in in the general he'll be in protective custody. Also, he there's a term for it. And I forget what I've seen it in one of these shows that he actually targeted women entering their sexual right A T more fifteen. That's what I mean. So the prisoners will be more because our Kelly's brother in this documentary about our Kelly, for instance, if we can shift gears for a moment, his brother creeps is involved in the documentary, and he's actually in prison from the documentary. He is good. Yes. He's he's interviewed from prison our Kelly as a couple of brothers. Yeah. He's got a brother Kerry, who's younger. There's all right there. Zuma. But did he? Yes. And then what he did was he'd be like singing about sex in fucking shit. And then he'd go. I'm gonna do church song. And everyone was like it's forgiving. You know what I mean? Well, same with Michael wasn't. He he got to save the world gotta make the world better place. You are not alone. By the way. It's it's it's always the new. Yeah. Are Kelly wrote who actually nailed the years ago we players. Before heater king. I think that's his name, right. Right right after Mike died and. I think this guy still in office, but he summarized the the celebration of Michael as being ridiculous. Like this this congressman pitching and yesterday. I watched into what the phrase once or. Reminding me. A great men and women who sacked sacrificed much country people fighting in Iraq Afghanistan today. Yeah. Cops firefighters teaches really get much credit and yet in the last how long now just lowlights Michael Jackson Namespace fiction all over the newspapers television radio. So we hear about Michael Jackson. Let's knock out the psychobabble. This guy was a pervert. Since I had a file and to be giving this coverage to him day in day out. What's to save country? He must be really mad today. Oh. He's probably in this to look I knew it. This is the only correct opinion on all of this guy came into my head immediately. Right. Ex- morning woke up. I remember that guy. We played this is the guy. This is the right. Fucking way to think about this whole thing. Play the rest doesn't regret. No one wants to stand up and say, that's right. Michael died. It's talent to find people dying every day men and women dying saying Paterson, let's give them credit. I really think the media has disgraced himself. I think too many people in public life. I've made fools of themselves by talking about Michael Jackson's some kind of hero is nothing. Good about this. Maybe dancing. Your child grandchild. Never never been a good thing. Dancing, by the way, I want. I just want to take this moment. Thank you for taking me on the road and never making me stimulate your nipples. You're welcome for our spread. My train to turn me on. Yeah. Yeah. I hope I don't get old and gross in kicked off. Yup. Yeah. Dancing. But I wanted to show you our Kelly's brother was in prison, and he is the only one coming to his brother's aid in this documentary. I haven't seen the art Kelly. Doc, I can't why can't Jessica by. Commercials yet. Sure women you have people who have fantasies about different things. Hold your women. Go figure. But that's just a preference preference. Everyone has prefaces true. So what is the big deal was the big issue with my problem? To answer. Yeah. We made. I think for people who don't know those people who are listening are watching who don't know about the arc Kelly. Details. Really, you don't think. So for sure it's I mean with the documentary. I no way the people have the same amount of this. This is the same out of exposures. Michael Jackson, the way that's a good point. And I think it is in the news right now. Michael Nadia's picked up another charge for our Kelly. So he is being prosecuted again in the wake of this documentary. Yeah. But his brother his other brother carry was not so writer die with our Kelly because our Kelly approached him about taking the fall for the PP tape being like, oh, tell him. It was you in their turn on your radio. We're talking Harry Kelley are Kelly's younger, brother. You did a body double for your big brother, Robert, and you bodies calling and things kind of turned a little ugly when this whole child. The station in came into play people were trying to say was you attorney said that it was me and the video thank nine. That was the argument. He never came forward and saying, hey, you know, without human is not true. I am not a child molester. But it definitely wasn't my brother in that video. And when my kids start getting teased wide fifteen year old stumps about fifteen girls, I made police reports the whole nine she was just defending how father. So tell me what you thought on his tape of these year old girls. Why do we say that they're twelve will? Because he's like he was interviewing these tapes said the guards on there being interviewed by him. And they're saying their real names, and that they're twelve years old you see the sex and all like that. Right. You think you're going to do jail time, or do you think he's going to get off will pinions? This was done in a dog. She'll come to right and everybody on this earth gotta pay for what they done if even if he don't do jail time. Did we have another type of restaurant to another table, Bruce? I can't remember. Oh, yeah. That's can you play that one. This is BRUCE'S reaction to his brother not liking the idea of being not only the body double in music videos, but in his sex tape as well what he'd done robber simply as hearing to tell the truth. Do a deposition with his attorneys that things that he was saying was not true. A he see if you. Do this deposition with attorneys? I will give you a hundred thousand dollars and a one record contract deal. Never understand this Lomas. Oddity of you could've been rich. Never understand. So he's got Ken. Hundred thousand ring shit put my fucking name on that position. So to Bruce what's in jail for well. He's in I had to write down his charges. Nothing wild, by the way, nothing like R Kelly has ever done. Yeah. For the record. It's just burglary things like that like drug possession, and okay and stuff like a no violent crimes unless you consider basically. Like for people that aren't well informed on the ark Halley scandal. It's that he like part of it is that he's been keeping women basically as sex slaves. Oh, yeah. Like locked up in homes with no self regress to that. Because he's been allowed so much leeway in the past. He was just kind of doing things like Michael Jackson where he was bringing younger women around and people just thought, oh, he likes younger women people facilitate that he married a lien when she was crying. And it's also thing to prodigies that they build right? Yeah. Weight Robson has turned into an international dance super mega star choreograph dance. You know, that I did not know that way. Boy that could. Yeah. Yeah. He's a he was the choreographer for like Britney Spears. Kinda worth they right guys. The argument. My. Michael. To be a comedian more than I want to be anything in the fucking world. Yeah. I wanted so fucking bad. If you if you make go back in time, and you told me like. This is what you do. But you're gonna be Sebastian where? Yeah, I don't know that I would have said take the deal, really. You would just have your childhood robbed from Yale. And now, you're doing minutes Square Garden. Right. There's because think about this. I said this to somebody and they think I'm a monster. There are so many children that are victims of terrible crimes like this that are in a fucking alleyway or fuck in dumpster behind. You know, what I'm saying like Darrell circumstance. These got immune park at least right free popcorn got to see screeners. A in. Bambi before that came out probably. I don't know if I can get on board with this line not sinking obviously all of its payroll. Wait a minute. You are a comedian. I want you know, what I mean? Like, I I'm very happy to be a comedian. But that's my point like, I my desire is so it's like how much do you love dance, dude? Like is it wasn't. I would like to ask that question. Yeah. Being Michael's sex slave as a child of my go-to. We could bring Sebastian on this. Do you on your another fun quote from our Kelly's brother, by the way? Yes. Me and my brothers. We all have our ways with our girls. We're very jealous. We don't want our girls doing certain things, you're not gonna see our girls talking to too many people. That's just the way we are could see them buying closed, doors and shit. And he was keeping keeping them really is right or die this brother. Yeah. Well, could you imagine being in jail for all these things? He's probably in there for for quite a few years, you know, after amounting so many crimes and his other brother gets this other opportunity. He's just sitting there and their cell like shit. The fuck fuck and do that saying I wonder what you would be willing to do right now things you want. This is interesting. Okay. About what I would be willing to do to anyone else in. I would be willing to have it on to me. That's what I'm degrade myself two levels of which are inconceivable release chief my goals, would you? I haven't sold my soul. Now at this point. I mean, like, I don't know. I say let's say a big time promoter. Yeah. He's like, you know, I can hook up any gig. And I have a plan for you. What we're gonna do is. We're going to start off in these clubs. It's going to be this. And then theaters, and I it's three year plan you're gonna make millions of dollars. You're going to sell all these tickets come to my house at first things. First hands behind your back. Mouth open Dipa, my balls in your guy. First of all is it. He's Michael Jackson guys little creepy. Little weird. He's a heavier set, man. Older doesn't tried out guy kind of like to try it out guy. Yeah. To do the try it out guy, you're his sex life. But the end game is something inconceivably successful, Harry or we deteriorate about plug every day. I think I think try it out. Out guy dot guys is my tried out over to his house and make him come every day. You lays it out for you, man. He tells you the deal, you know, you gotta you gotta bend over show a lot. Yeah. And he wants, you know, now what if I'm you. You said I have to make him come everyday. Yeah. Do I have to make him Commodore have to at least try to know you have to it mission. Have he doesn't come? I and I put in all the effort. Yeah. And I'm really just firing on all cylinders, and I'm giving them everything. I got the whole kitchen sink and everything and he doesn't come. And I still lose out. You could come though now you can you can achieve -able goal is it. Okay. Because that's the only thing that would concern me if I was put into the situation, and I couldn't succeed in my end of the responsibilities. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Then he takes it away from me, then I wouldn't have liked to put myself in this is kind of aggress how many days do I have to make him. Come. It's a deal with the devil. Oh, so it's like forever. I don't know if I could do. All right. Here's why. No, no, let's to forever only because when you molest children ruins them for their whole life ham, psychological damage, not as an adult. It's a little more when you mess with children that way you destroy their role for the rest of their lives. All right. The rest of his life be destroyed. Let's have a time. Limit though to see if this were I don't know that I could do rest of my life. I think I could put a let's say there's a six. Well, you mentioned the three year it's a three or progression to us. Yeah. Once I hit the mountain top, I stop. Yeah. It would be like all right sniff. Those. Let me put it right? Because you're no, no, let's do this. Let's do an actual deal with the devil. So he gets successful. And then in the afterlife saying there is one every day. Raleigh land stuff. I'm talking about real fucking pitch. Where the guy I am pitch. The guy says come over to my house suck my balls and eight my ass every day, I'm gonna fuck you and all your holes. And then I'll give you gigs. I looked into Goshi eight some of it down. I'd be like every day's tough. I mean, I got stuff. So then he's area. Okay. Well, then I'd be like we do three days a week. And we do, you know get outta here. Fine. Yes. I'll I'll do every day. We'll see how long would you really do it? You think you would really do it for that? I don't know, man. I really think I'd think about it. I really do the first time the first time he comes all over your face. Yeah. And you go to wash off and he handed on below got like eight grand in it. He's like, yeah. Job. I would feel that he's your plan. The improv this week. I would feel discussing with myself, but it doesn't. I would feel happy at the end result. I already hate myself. So that's like an alike decrease. Really, you know, what I'm saying light so much therapy. I just don't think like, I think it would be out to call my friend and be like, you know, I had to suck. This fat old man's thick. It was terrible. He was awful as you think it is. But through me an envelope vague crane, and I've got fucking I'm doing all the improv. So I think other comics would be like well shit. All right. You really think you would do that though? I think I might think about it. And that's all I I don't I've never been put in what if he started really the way that you put it like where you're like, you're doing theaters I'd be like my selling all these tickets because I sucked addict. Then that's all it takes then fine. Now, what if he really started hurting your asshole, it's gonna hurt? I mean, but you're selling more ticket more pay more game baby. Let's knock you know. I mean, diocese point though. Yeah. I kinda share a hard to sell tickets into become something in this. If I just had to suck a dick. Then I would do it. I pointed out. Yeah. Speaking of tickets. Here's your show March twenty second at the Hollywood, improv lab, I will suck all your Dicks. Buy tickets, ten pm show, ten pm show lineup in the back after and we'll get it going. You know, you're putting that out there. They have a right to get their dick suck now. Okay. Some dix. All right, good. I would rather get pounded than suckered suck Dicks dying. You think the taste people? Don't oh, wait. I would rather rather have dick in my ass than in my mouth. How you want to you really three in my mouth. But he really think about it for one minute. Your ass is a nightmare. All ready. Yeah. You. Yeah. I agree. You have to taste as you're gonna fuck after scope and be like are you like fucking teeth face, babe? Someone's fucking your face an astral or your poop comes out cares on back agree. I'm Josh on. This thing hundred percent. Think about it though. Yeah. You really want them in your in your beard and stuff takes it all day. You can't get that taste out. Don't like you don't even need certain foods, right trail all of. Yeah. Yeah. And I didn't like. All is all in your beard on your eyes. Oh, jeez. And defending who's Dickey tastes. It'd be like an olive dog. It'd be like a big hollow and his nuts could stink real bad. Or they will guide is promoter guy. I'd rather do go, and you can just hear your buck, and he'll all the union. Oh, yeah. Right about that. Definitely finishing in your asshole. Yeah. What I mean? I mean, he's like aids. Comes in your butt. And then I'd be like, you know, it's sit. But I'd rather that than be like. Yeah. Like the rest of the fucking day taste it. And every time he's about it and your Tommy I don't want that. He's got a Cape so much your, but but good news, you're playing tell you Hala Chicago. Also down. I'd be like. My stomach. I add some other nightmares. I wanted to bring up if we have time I don't know how much we're running. We'll have to shelve it. But there is one other gentleman and on that is from a band called the lost profits to ban. I listened to as child as a teenager. I should say, and they weren't very popular at all that should end right there. He was Michael Jackson on steroids, but had no fame, and no nobody helping him in this regard. And he was not like as you notice that these guys are like all elaborate in their schemes and everything like that. This guy's was not at all. So he was pretty easy to catch a monster. We got out of the the realm pretty quickly. What happened to him was the British version of the NSA went to hack his computer because there was rumor that he had child pornography on it Jesus grow. And they didn't take long to crack it because his password turned out to just be fuck kids. I what that was his password to his computer. Could you imagine being those that crack team of detectives, and you do you think it took him long, or do you think they sat there, and we're like I was gonna try a couple of things hero quick. And just put in a couple of last words guests number one. Yeah. He's like the guy did one two three. And now that didn't work. Let me try my second idea any figured it out pretty quick. But this guy's in jail. Now, you listen to his music, I had t shirts I had. I was in the band. It was it wasn't like I didn't give a fuck. I'll never listen to the band again. Like, it wasn't that prevalent in my life that I was like I'm gonna miss z long. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In jail this guy on a plane, Tom go back to our first discussion. Yeah. Okay. This guy's walking past me Nile. And I go could I love him. Here's number. What do you think the turn off his hair? Yeah. I think the hairs too complicated. He's got t- to to injury. I was gonna say the earring too complicated yet. I don't see earrings, and I don't like his racial heritz. Too dark doesn't man. Yeah. Sorry about that. Thought those lobes were earrings. I don't think so. But he's too. He's too complicated. That's what I would say it wasn't like EMA banned. Yeah. That's why. Yeah. Cold cold is for sure, man. Well, he's going to jail in that picture. Probably like, you know, I've. Yeah. I taught kids guys next topic. What a terrible password. Josh this real quick this. I mean yet we have time. Let's run the script. So. Well, this I have here. Also like, we have talking sex tapes. And yeah, all kinds of celebrity musicians that are into wacky wild stuff. This one's a little more fun. It has to do with children. It's just a fun guy. You know, this sort with berry berry berry. Cousin Marvin Marvin berry? Back to the future is this is credited with being the pioneer rock and rock and roll. Yeah. He's the man. Well, he also enjoyed filming women that he would have sex with and doing a number of demeaning things to them. And in fact, he has a sex tape somewhere in this world. But because of the time of that it was in the sixties or seventies. Or whatever, you know, we don't have it heavily distributed. So what I've gone through is the transcript on the sex tape. And I've delivered it to you. So we can reenact it today. That's in the role of Mary will be Tom saga and in the role of blonde. White hor thank you, Christina p how you read the stage direction. Okay. All right. So I'll start a table rate in the industry, Tom this. He did for your Saul allegedly. Of course. Right. Yeah. He's dad. He. Yeah. All right, ready. Okay. Devin tips for me at a at a table, read euro euro white whore. Okay with big big tits. Yeah. And your blonde in white and hor all right corn? Corn? Are you baby? Yes. Gotta get clean. Yes. I do you like to stay clean. Don't you? Yes. I do you really do. I'll give you something to bathe for you know. That he stands up over her. I'm gonna give you something to bay for see this here. He's wiggling his dick. Yes. Yeah. That's what you Baid with. It is kiss it kiss. It again suck on it. You my girl. Yes. You love me. Yes. Very much. I'll bet you do do. Well, you really love me. He begins pissing on her face. She gaffes apprised. I really love you put your hands down by that is take. She continues gasping as he continues to piss take take take open your mouth opening Matt. The sound of piss gurgling in her mouth. And then bury unleashes allowed long farts. You could smell my fart piss on you. That's what I'm doing pissing all over you. You love me. Tell me you love me. Love you. All right, then drink my piss drink my piss Chuck grabs a towel enhance at tour. Dry sieve off Cleese of off as piss Tatum better. Right. All right. All right. Taste bit. It doesn't it salty. Yeah. No. Yes. You drag my piss is did. Yes. Suck this suck. It. She is sucking and gasping and grunting as if in pain Cleese him clean, it outta ya is push a little baby. What's mad baby pissing? You is pissing. You is I'm sorr- as piss all of your neck and your hand. But you love me. I won't I won't betray you won't betray you believe he leans into kiss her then stops immediately got can't kiss you, smells like piece. I know I'm sorry. Playing yourself take show. He walks out of the tub as she turns on the faucet to clean herself. Well. It was really nice. We should send that one off. I think so. Chuck Berry in the bio pays that what it's like for the movies when you guys do your table xactly like I kinda want send that to a couple of directors. Yeah. You could I mean could play some abusive. Yeah. Oh, abusive guy, a number one. God I would love to play something like that. Perfect for you. So what I'm saying rest and instant family, your jerk and that moving. Yeah. But I mean, he wasn't pissing. Farting on girls. These Elliott, you took into the role in your mind. You're like okay behind the scenes, Barron. All right. This was great. Thank you as always. I hope I see everyone March twenty second Hollywood, improv lab. Ten pm. Get your ticket. You're bum subs-. We'll be right back. And we are back everyone, Pete and farted in eight and we are back now with one of our all time faves, a real country singer. It is wheelchair Walker junior. Thank you very much. I love daler new places fucking killer. Thanks, man steakhouse vibes studio, what you call city, gene inside city model them after studio put shit up. Yes. Right. It's not just an empty conference room. That's right. That's right. You know? I didn't. I didn't really notice that. You're right Wheeler that he just doesn't even bother decorating it. Well, he didn't give shit. He thinks people just gonna fuck and look at him. He's right right before we step somebody's neck, and we hope one day tells us where the bodies are. But Garth is a really we're talking about creeper musicians. You know, we didn't talk about. Yeah. We didn't have I was trying to think of his name Jerry Lewis. Yes, he married. His thirteen year olds niece movie about it like pedophilia, and incest, and then Elvis, I mean, she was a fucking personnel depressing team. But the room I think the store they tried to tell was he met her. When she was fifteen right, then they get married at sixteen or whatever the legal way too though. Probably right. He's out. I mean, does it not get what he wants? You know, we were just talking about the Chuck Berry thing man, I love Chuck Berry. But the day he died. You tweeted the pivo, and I was kinda bombed chug Berryman, it was crazy that I was alive at the same time. And I started getting bummed out about once you see him pissing on white women and kind of. Brings you wanna be all be fine. So it helps I helped you grieve away. There was no I grieve for half a second till I saw him in pissing women. Morals pry bitter off. Yeah. I do love his music. Yeah. Yeah. We're talking about that weighing the the fame and the talent against doing something horrible. Yeah. It's strange too because we were talking about before. It's like do. Do I am I allowed to listen to thriller. I. Now like, how's it wondering? You know, but definitely are allowed. But it's like does it play. Does it play a game in your mind having listened to it since I watched that thing, which by the way, and I don't want to start controversy. I think he's guilty from the doc. I by just don't want to get myself in trouble here and start, you know. Yeah. Right. I'm not the judge and jury right. There's a lot of evidence. Once I hear about the actual blood in the anus. I'm like, I think this guy did it. Yeah. And then I'm like thrillers such a great. Bad note in the whole thing to mazing. It's so difficult it, but it does make you wonder I mean now we're just an era where we're accepting that our heroes are pieces of shit. How many of our past heroes have been pieces that we don't even know about you don't even know about. Nothing wrong. Yeah. We well. My thing is just always assume that pizza pieces shit. I mean, everybody was talented. I mean, you guys know you didn't get into comedy. 'cause like you had your all your shit together trail. Yeah. And I didn't start playing music like man, I got off figured out nominee get. It was. It was this guy was covering up a lot of fucking shit. But not an island stuff. Right. I mean. Pedophilia. No violence. No put of. Yeah. I've lived a pretty clean line compared to the people. You mean, what's your big vice though, give a big vice? Because you don't really seem like you're I guess my vice would say fucking. But now that I'm married. I didn't even know you're married. Yeah. Mary with a kid. That's what WW three my new records about three is named after my son will Walker third. Oh, my congratulations talked to people in catch-up. Forget some of the details. Yeah. Wow. That's what the new record is all about. So that's low Wheeler. Yeah. He's basically retired the pussy king. Well, yeah. I mean, I I mean he's done conquering teaching him. That's like some of the right songs all the pussy. You will slay town him about the new right, right? He's going to get training him pussyfooting junior. You know, she's my wife is is she has her own Instagram. She's the pussy Queen. Really god. Damn. Wow. I wanna see some picks. Yeah. We got a little no now pussy Queen the pussy Queen. How did so how'd you? I was planning gig in Alabama. And she came back in the days when I was being chicks after gigs. And we and I was like all banger and take off. I was like fuck. I talk to her again. You know, what's her handle that? No. Yeah. That's not good. There's I don't know her. What's her Instagram handle, it might be miss MS Wheeler Walker? I dunno. I forget I got off social media tell you that you did why I'm just fucking over the main. My main thing was like when I first started out, and I took over country music. You guys saw. Of course, I was all it was all about I felt like I was I was the new guy was punching up a love it. And but now that I'm bigger than these fuckers. I just feel it's on board. It's like, yeah. People make fun of these new country should holes. All this news garbage pop country, but I'm figured them. So I kind of punch and down these people crying complained to their managers and shit. Like, it's just not worth it any more like now, they're they're coming on. They would go on minds degrom and try to insult like insult back. Just like time for this shit was to get rid of shitty. Pop country, Florida Georgia line, still bigger than me. But but the all these new the Florida. Georgia line wannabes. They just don't have time to like insult because country national man there. They got new shitty artists coming out every. Can factory who do you hate right now? Well, there was this guy called a he's still around. But that was the fire just didn't feel right. It's like why why shouldn't on this guy that no one's even heard of the name was Mitchell. Ten penny as a real fucking name. It's really stupid name. He had a song called bitches. And I just got pissed because I'd song called fuck you bitch, which I felt was emotional song. And that's huge hit. So the need just to. He's like, I'm literally just like I'm sick of bitches. Like that's not what my song was. He has a big label behind it. And was trying to pretend like it wasn't like that's a whole 'nother thing saying, I hate bitches versus. Yeah. Fuck the girl who dumped me, I think right. Fuck you bitch is about a particular person. Yes. Exactly. I don't wanna get into an argument with this dope about it. But it just but insulting him on. I was going like I don't wanna wake up in the middle of the night and just tweet it some random redneck, you know. Yeah, understandable. And these aren't I mean, I've said it before I do think most country artists and fans you you know, that I mean. Football. So big in the south and high school football. I think the majority of country fans have CTE. That's where this ship. You. Don't listen to listen to friends in low places one hundred times because you're all there something wrong. People think artists have it too. Because everyone talked to this. I'll meet these guys on the street some are fans, and I'll talk to something there. So would you play college? They all nowadays like same Han. Who was one of the big guys? I went after he was a college QB. So I think my my theory chicks out because he's like this kind of music you gotta get hit in the head. I think real no I swear to God. I mean if you can fill up Wrigley field with Florida Georgia line fans. That's a lot of. I mean, they all got car wrecks or something. I don't know. What it right? But even going to see Garth and hearing friends in low places for the thousands time. I mean, are we have enough of friends in low places I've had enough I've had it now. I mean that was the thing we talked about a little bit. I think last time I was here which is people don't like right now because country music is basically computers and bullshit and stuff. That's crazy that spout his way in the country. I mean, they're trying to do our Kelly, and there's going to be in our Kelly of country. I guarantee you really somebody's. Yeah. I mean, the stories I hear about these artists. They're these guys are fucking degenerates. But like people to understand that when in the eight late eighties early nineties like it was Dwight yoakam hound Jackson good country. Ours. Black and Clint black and Garth came along. He was the Florida Georgia line at the time because he was playing that real pop shit. All those guys hated Garth and people now, I get why they get pissed when I make fun of Garth. But but be remember because I'm older than these fuck dudes that at the time Garth was Florida Georgia line, you know, he realize because he was you hear like, it's the so slick and Q's going for pop radio back when Seoul I personally from what I've heard because I watched part of that Notre Dame concert L. God that was all. Yeah. And I was like, okay, where's the soul? And I and I I'm not listen, I'm not an aficionado of country music. But when somebody's sinks from their fuck. And heart. You know, listen to Dolly Parton sing, Joe lean or whatever you like that really grabs you emotionally, but for him. I don't feel that from him authenticity. Bullshit like where? But would if you just heard it on a blind taste test. Would you think that was country music probably now, it's like pop. Yeah. To me. It's just like kind of almost like just pop songs with Manno. And at that time him getting all that success kind of made all the other guys. Try to sound like Garth was trying to be the new Garth and people like Alan Jackson. We're just I wanna I wanna pedal steel wanna play country music. Yeah. But anyway, fucking fat. Fat. Comey's fan, man. Yes. So speaking of old g by the way, how does all Wheeler like being married with a kid? I fucking love it. Honestly, just it's like, you don't always reminds me of which is kind of my dumb movie reference memory enough force Gump when he got that thing in the mail with that he'd like it had put he'd put a bunch of money on apple stock before like got big. And you just he just like forced up just like dope gets thing in the mail. He's like a billionaires all there's one less thing to worry about. That's how it kind of feel. Done like, it's just like pussy one less thing to work. There. I don't have to deal with it anymore fucking texting. And you know, look going out and dates I just hated all that shit. How she feel about you, you know, torn as this country artists and doing shows on the road. She knows I'm an is. She knows knows on the most honest and cleanest guy out there. So there ain't gonna you know, about, you know. Yeah. So hold on. We gotta stop one second. Well, that was fun. Thank you for the burp introduction. Well, you know, I just try to keep it real on this show. Keep it true. To who? We are. Sorry, say break was talking about my wife had to walk off. So. Yeah. Yeah. On the camera. She's so electric you met her on just like one of your regular, gigging gig outside of mobile, and you're like, I'm just going to bang and leave. And then I kept thinking about her. And then what happened which there's a song my new album WW three a hold it up for listeners. Yeah. And. Song called stilling sick of fucking you with real cause. I'm so dumb. I didn't know. I don't know what love is. I love album. Yeah. And that's how admitting I don't. I just didn't know how fucking dumb. I was thumbing. This girl was cool fucking second. After fifty times is this love because I still wanna keep fucking. Yeah. Love. That's what I finished. And I got off the bed ago. I could do that like a bunch of more times like even tie dye. And I go that's probably what my parents were telling me about many other probably exactly what they meant. But it's. But I like to say own way. I'll do a song. What's momma? Thank was, mama. Walker? Thank of they all love her because she's normal. Not. I mean, not normal. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they love having a grandkid to that. They hope won't ever hear my music. But let me it's now about almost a year. He's year old so exciting. No. The three of us. You know, really like to dissect g and a lot of his antics, you actually, we're always on the lookout for new G footage and material, and you actually pointed out this I actually have a g alert what's it called? It's Lert for the G alerts. That was so fucking ridiculous. He did like his own bohemian rhapsody movie. Yeah. I like, but could that guy be any fucking weirder guy? Plus, they always say like man, he was so great. He seemed just like I think being just like the dudes kind of like is that really acting impersonation. That's true. But anyway, so Garth did this tribute to the movie like freelance, I don't think it's part of the promotion on his own. He's like j just love shot it with real like Nino like the live in-studio. Jeez. Fucking iphone cameras this fucking film cameras and looks like he's Jackie and the whole time you've never seen anybody ever seen this. Either any more than he loves Queen. And now starts singing along moving his hand know, like he gets so into the music that I said, I think he's what you gotta tell me how to set up my jailer tes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's let's see things that, Freddie. Mercury flamboyant entertainer from across the water had in common with his kid and Okon drafter was boy both insecure as hell under the music founder garbage. Whispering. He always goes creepy route, the wait wait till you plays a museum doing this thing. It's already more to God. I'm going to bench MandA music every time they stepped up to the mic overtime. It's kinda weird to wear your own g like should I get t hats. And where would you wear a t hat. I wear hats your hat. I'm wearing my new or yours. I've will walk junior hats. And I put it on once, you know, if I forget a habit, I feel so stupid wearing Saddam's because as you. Well, it's kind of like can I can I tell you from the jump ready annoyed with with him is this phoney baloney? I'm just a humble boy from Oklahoma. And you know, and he he's so accepting tractor from across the water to humble, boy oklaho-, you can't say anglin motherfucker. Yeah. Well, that's. The other thing. I don't the noise may is the hottest shit right now is that movie and queens. So he's like, yeah. No. It's really about me. You know, it's like people are missing the point of the movie, which the point of the movie is guard loves Queen. That's how he sees. Right. About him. Wayne resurgent is about Garth loving. Got the Garth loved him before the movie just. To remind there's a g logo here. There's a g Lago here cheat logo here. There's a Lago here. All right. Go ahead. They did what was impossible and impossible was every day thing for them. All done in zillion, fine me somebody to March this. Spinal deputy. Jesus Christ, man. Yeah. I think he just came in his pants, and he's he's also just like. He wants it to look like he's he's conducting Queen. This record thirty years ago. Right. Like, he has a part of it. Check this shit right here. Just like he's like he's like as if he quieted them. Right. So, you know, do that songs been the same since we've been listening to so insufferable. The ego is such a weird fucking guy. He should've played from mercury. There'd be like, you know, we had this one. We are guy on dishing for it your weirdest fuck to why don't you do it? Well, he didn't want to be Chris the Chris gain. Is that worrying crazy if he's like he got his demand is people putting it on. He thinks he looks like. Make listen, I don't look exactly like him. But you know, get the guys who did fuck and jar jar just made me. Yeah. Totally. He just insist these aids man, you just way too much. There's nobody that sounds like Queen. And that just tells me how far ahead of their time. They were fine me somebody to love dig into those lyrics that no matter. How different mean, you are the basis thing? Again with this love one another bullshit. He invented that. He you know, what we were just talking about the darkest, motherfuckers. Michael Jackson who else the 'cause it 'cause they all have these bullshit messages of he kind of the world. You get hit the world with the love. Meanwhile, they're doing dark stuff down closed doors a Garth docked forty years from now. One hundred percent. And it'll be like all they'll just show footage like this. He was always high y'all. Hi, waving and smiling. And then, you know, his billboards like live just as love one another. And then it'll be like, and this is where he cut people's hands off. And it'll be like on his ranch. I could see him lead looks like he like works out. But it looks like there's a little extra pounds from. Well, people. Yeah. Could be why watch Tristesse baking channel, and he entrusts make a lot of bad treats. Like, it's Cornflake peanut butter balls Casey on one day watching that you see like, a fingernail or something. She's like what is this? Tell you. Keep fun is. I don't know what this is. Maybe some bullshit spin on it some. Some some can anybody. Find me all the stuff that separates us that divide us that Dr boundaries between us as fine me somebody to love in all of that. There's the message for me for him for him live forever. God, I never looked at lyrics that way. You actually know that the lyrics are about some besides you, right? Loves written about. He thinks it took a time machine. Like Niro, it's. Yeah. You're absolutely right wheel keep took away to is this like it ends with the like the logo Baheen rhapsody like a promo for the movie that the movie anymore. Yeah. I love that movie. I'm gonna make them a promo. I think they thought they were gonna use it on every time. He was to really make a point about any of his social media. He always always goes to. And then he talks like that always has to do his XY voice. I'm like it's so forced and it's it just sends shivers. I really lacked closer together really liked that. Yeah. Like his way. You still the same dumb fucking thought. Softer. It is it is a soft or dumb thought. I'm a step above you. Yeah. Respect him. I I just think he's fucking sucks. I think he's. The big three for me, untalented annoying and fat. Two. Where do you? Fits in on that scale. Well, I think. Bird cry surely, certainly got the fat. And he certainly got the new I don't find them. Well, I okay, I don't hang out with them enough. I'll bet he could hit two of those in. In. You know? Any maybe I definitely near the end when I'm on the podcast, like two more hours. He could get into gardening. I don't think he eats people though, are no I don't either I don't think so either. But it's good to know that the birds on his way to guard. Well, yeah. Because he could sell Notre Dame. Fuck here, we go. Here's weirdo. Go ahead. Garth Brooks here in Konic Notre Dame locker room. This is where the players go out to take the field every Saturday. This is where all our players are getting ready to take the field for this concert. So tonight, the fighting Irish they're going to become the singing Irish this going to be good. Can you just picture on the way up teams have players bands have played Ryan came up with that role? And do you also you realize that they'll be like there's like a CBS executive? We're thinking for the promo. He was like I got the fucking promo. He wrote the copy you guys on. Ondrej percent. Don't miss it. He's legendary coach had this sign put up it's probably one of the most famous signs in football history. Play like a champion today. Love love. Face right there. See, that's that's that's skeletons exactly fingers chopped off in a bowl somewhat. He only smiles with his mouth never his is. That's how you can tell a smile is fake to me. To me says there's just blood stuff going on. Do you wear Wheeler on stage? Do you do the the Janet Jackson headset or did you microphone? I do. I would never wear that. It's the fucking corneas thing ever. But yeah, two is like what does he need for? He's not going dancing. Don't forget the early days when he used to come to my hometown, he would pull hanging from that fucking wire. Fly around like Bon Jovi now. He's too fat for that. And the worth too much twenty that wirewood fucking break. He's just kind of got that pace. So yeah, that's his his his biography to five for the war. They used to fly around the that. No that is it. I have friends in low places, and then he's up high is that the probably tried to rig it once, you know, and they're like things not really flying sick. This is a special night at Notre Dame all of keep the party going by streaming all of our music exclusively on Amazon music. Hey, alexa. You have friends in low places. Sometimes, but they aren't big on social graces. Got a love that. He's the only person. Yeah. You know, his music, it's not on itunes. Yes. I I was going to ask you that Gino what the deal is with that wise. But he he he. What happened was like when I tunes and all the other like Spotify came out and decide to make like I'm not making this up like not instead of he decided to make his own format. Yeah. Like instead of MP three hit like GP? It was like Judy GP three. Yeah. It was like GP eight or whatever it was like his own. He's gonna come up with a better one my own for. All my fuck. And you know, just I'm bigger than at one. I got g phone. I don't have a phone. I'm sure what some asshole us too, right? Cross all the is. Compete with them foreman. So they also he didn't want to give them the thirty percent cut that like everybody does. And so then he got he was like speaks p put on offered all them whoever's going to pay me in the most gets it. 'cause I plan all your fucking games. So he's like Amazon made the biggest offer, and he's you can only get it on Amazon. Yeah. So if if you're like if you got an iphone, you don't have Amazon. You hit. You don't get Garth. Well, really got to be one of the own. I know about title and all that. But it's like he's got to be the only major artists where you can't hear one fucking thing on itunes, nothing. Was weird sometimes on the country charts like like, I tuned to sell like. You know? Some no name or somebody playing the hits Garth. That'll actually just to get some Garth on there. Yeah. Or like not a fake Garth. But you know, attribute to Garth Brooks will actually people by that because they're good when they search Garth nothing comes up except for you know, but I think it's a blessing because I actually went take my shoes off Amazon's. I'm not being sold anywhere. We're Garth is. I like that too. I love that. He always says that at the end of everything, and and I really love that. And isn't that I'd like that come up with another tagline? It's called the word life student body calls it touchdown Jesus. Because it overlooks the north end zone here in the house that Rockne e built touchdown. Jesus was assembled by stone scattered from all seven comments. This is the place. This is where everybody comes together all religions all shapes and sizes, and they're all here to sing. That's what I had to. I had to add love I would love to see like the the footage after when they're like end. Now, just we're gonna take you down this way. He's like why the fuck up here right now. Like, I would love to see him snap. He's gonna drop the wholesome thing. You know that and eat like a cameraman's hand just take. Why I was telling you before you didn't know this apparently that Notre Dame concert. It was so big that usually for live concert movies. They'll do two shows and pick the best of both Casey miss miss a note here there, but he's like I'm played to fucking shows. So if you if all hundred thousand people if they fucked up a song they had to do it. Again, you sit there at live at a concert you paid money for and if he fucked up you had to he started beginning beginning again live TV taping cheese thousand it's like five hours long. Yeah. No. It was all just do two shows because that's how long it'll take you hours. We'll heat got the kind of time. Got in Notre Dame on CBS. Friends in Notre Dame state doesn't hit in rhyme or it doesn't fit. Also since I got if you had one more hit the people know that you can. Yeah. Yeah. I got friends in Notre Dame stadium. The new rock me said this when we're on the road where somebody else's guests. Let's play in a way that never let him forget that we visited them. That's what we're doing tonight. New. You're not gonna forget this concert anytime set. I'd forgotten like Cincinnati. Yeah. We think that buckle intense. Buckle. Right. Well, they'd light the light blue denim on Z wearing dark Denham. Or is it black pants think? He's wearing just Dicky's. You know, he's going to go. Keep it real grouch. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. No. Those are elastic pains. I bet you those pants come with the Boko like so it on. Children story Garth Brooks here. It's going to be good love that got a lot of that down. Jesus. Touchdown jesus. All shapes and sizes. That's what. Not anytime. Don't miss it. That was really good. We're. So listen, I hate guards you Haygarth, but we love Wheeler Walker June. Yeah. Can we we can hear something off the new album out here track from the new record? Because I I kind of I'm gonna take a song. That's not exactly the most of it's love songs and songs about my son. But I I haven't played this song live yet. And I want you guys to hear. It's a song about Mike experiences. And what it takes to be the king of country music. Like, okay. It's called suck. Another dig last night. My headphone. Sure. Good song for Potter to listen to. Yeah. How proprio Josh Potter? Just had a conversation about second. Looked. Last night. Nah. That's wrong. Right. I blue could blame on the booze. Now, just something do. We didn't. So don't get up tight. No other dick last night. Now, darling. Don't get me wrong. Few had down. Please don't tell our son Cho's Wong. Stand about his goblin comes while ring. Crazy hilt man, please for the. Not what I do in the back. Of. Another dick last night. Not saying it's wrong. I blue blame on the booze. But now, it's just something. Do we didn't don't get up. But asks. No the league last night. Darlan stubby Yellen. Baby's asleep didn't kiss neither you into I brushed my team. Now, I need you to stop all this judging of movie the good Lord made us different Louis. Hey, he s. Another last night. Not saying it's wrong or right? First few blue act blame on the booze. Now is just something to do. We didn't. So don't get up tight once a month that most now all the time. You have to trust allow me. All right. Morass another dick last night. But asks. Another dick last night. Wow. See how mature as an? Yeah. Beauty is really grown up paying serious. Yeah. As we're doing it without crying. That's a beautiful song. Yeah. And that's on the. Yeah. It's on the new album WW three bailable on itunes up. It's Amazon exclusive. No. I didn't know fuck. I didn't know that about about this help him. I feel so stupid for not like investigating that. You're busy people getting home new fucking studio filled with books or whatever it is. Yeah. To do gotta read all these books men. How far you into these man getting started? I haven't started yet. Yeah. We gotta gotta read them. Let's like shit. Now. That's awesome in a love it, and yeah, it's definitely turning a corner to more mature Wheeler for sure I mean, I've been hearing that a lot of people are like groceries. I'm like, no serious is two thousand nineteen serious shit going. I'm growing up. I'm married. I got a kid. I'm fucking mature. You know? Here's my song about sub-index. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow, I'm Mike by that me too. It is nice to see you growing up. I was I was a little worried about you people get worried, but you know, I'm always going to you know, I still feel like it's still me it is. 'cause I remember last time we spoke, you know, think your mom went to one of your shows. And she was like God. I mean, you know, you sing so beautifully and this one she loved this. When she loves you understand coming. So now, she gets it. Yeah. It took a while. But this is all like that. Like, you know, what our son has a heart. He seriously as an artist. That's what I wanted to hear about your dad, and he still thinks I'm fucking to generate, but he's also focused asshole. I don't care about him. Really? Yeah. He's a dick. Tell us about it. I don't know. But I tell you that there's a guy on Twitter who claims to be my dad, we have a Walker senior any what any yells at me every fucking day. Really that he's these like weird. I haven't told him to stop because he does sound. I don't know. How he no. He just like everyday tweets disappointed with me. And he hates me. I wanted to say, you know, give my manager something to take it down. But it's pretty close to what my dad's like I enjoy reading is your dad is he like, you know, you with this nonsense music is he like Z like that. Well, he's like that until I buy, you know, fucking fucking air pods. Fan hit fucking cords. And also thinks oh this these songs dirty pretty cool. Yeah. Because he can't afford airport. Have you guys have air pods? Cool. I want them. No. You fucking have to feel they strong army and all this new shit is fucking cool. I was just talking about that with the friend of mine the other day about he was talking about. He has like PC products for MAC, whatever it's called. But like I want stuff made by I don't like the fuck. Bill gate, given all that money to charity. I want the asshole who hates who's just fucking dick who's focusing on the ship. Bill Gates, all his shit has courts. I want the air pods with the no cords because that dude hated everybody wanted to get back at people's we figure out how to make the fucking headphones court dates is just spend money like saving Africa, Funchal hang that shit. Just focus do by the way. I will give you a break on any air chartering. You're looking for. Oh, my future tours. We plan on your own jet. I'm sure you're at that level. I looked into. I don't think I'm gonna get it. Yeah. Well, I am and. I just wanted to extend that you'll give. Yeah. Didn't I'm got admit. I'm lost to buy a private jet on by pretty close. Wheeler. Doesn't know we lost. A major sponsor McDonald's sponsored this show, and we got two point three million dollars. And then they saw our content and they pull the money. So we don't have the money anymore. Tom other money, and that's what I'm saying is Morton's with the only gave us two grand over Morton's completely, by the way. I like Larssen's a lot more than mornings just so that the Morton's people can hear that can just tell you right now. Can I just say a lie to your face? I'm gonna stop eating McDonalds in protest. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. It's not really that. Good or convenience. That's a friend right there making McDonald's there to by my friends, fuck them. No. I'll give you six percent off any any charters. You're looking for a woman. What's his company just could be Tom's planes? You're about to do promo. No, no. I'm just letting you know, you guys are fucking nail. And if you've got private jets sponsoring the show that's next. Yeah. There's like an Uber for jets now. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be cool. Yep. He sounds like Tom is your signed up for my God, who's more responsible with money you or your wife? Close her by. I mean, you don't need eight pairs air pods. But you know, you've eight pairs while. I just I go to the store, and then I was like I want you know, that feeling you get when you buy something cool, and I love him so much. I want to start want to feeling it's buying key buying them. Just to get the excitement one on new people like those are into the open box openings. Yeah. Hoping that boxes smell sweet fucking airport, plastic and you're on the road. It's like you're on the road busting your ass. And you're having showered for days, you, you're fucking hungover. It's like, oh, this is what I do it for. Little thing in my ear is I can rollover I can put my hands here. I don't have to you can roll over you can do anything. Yeah. I mean, like, I can you can do I've tried I shake my head those things fit for you. Then get great. But they look like they're going to fall out of you. Scares me. I don't like that. They're so fucking good. Really? I mean to me like my favorite of all time are probably Waylon Jennings. Willie Nelson an air pots. Yeah. Wow. Which I think air pods are not as good as Willie Nelson chloride. So you're a big air pod guy hoping that they'd listen to this semi some more say, they're Sam. Sam goods rose to send you some money for this free problem on this is a great promo. I mean with between jets and air pods. Someone should step up. Are we going to another? So I could play you want. If you let's hear too. I love your song. You want to hear the hit from this record belongs. No. Yeah. According to my people. This is my biggest in the wall. Okay. Like smoking pot. A lot of the headphones on thanksgiving. Okay. Some people smoke, man. Some people smoke crack. Some people snort coke. Offer RIC is mouth sack. After. Don't give me your own. The best. There is. Comes from. Lacks smoking. Getting stoned alone. Leaping lead. And. Ah think it'd bulls are credible. Ashutosh love meme gummy layers hampsh- shampoo. Forma curly hairs rub in cannabis lotion. Almac act. Doc smoking. So people act pills. Some like her thing. I like my role, but that ain't breaking news. Some people add moves. Some like suck in downs. Brother mo. But that's another sound just played it for you. Smoking patio. Getting stoned alone. Vape in Weeden, they'd think it'd booze are incredible assure love meme gummy bears vamp shampoo foam curly hairs rub and cannabis lotion on my back, lack smoking, Pat. Smoking pot. Lack smoking. As ING Wheeler. I can't get any better. It's like it just keeps getting better and better at toffee. Yeah. It's like, I, you know, those those you've had that probably comedy were just kind of get that lightning bolt. Yours like sitting around Wright's pot smokes with the lot. No one's ever thought about that. It's all me. I'm going. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You kill them in rate work. Gene. You wanna go ahead? I would jeans. What's the one app? I use every day. Just use it right now. We literally just did it for our lunch. I love it post mates post mates. I live by swear to God, I spent so much for money. 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I want people to make sure can I see that album. He handed to me or toss it or whatever. Yeah. There you go. Oh, and maybe go in on this one. Here check it out. Is that a good place to hold it? Yeah. Boom. WW three available on W three. Is that your wife right there? Yes, sir. Oh, man. That's awesome. Let me see. There you go a little upset the kid on the back of the CD. But it's like, you know, I ain't hide anything for mile. I've seen her on Instagram. I know this person. Yeah. Gorgeous, really, really beautiful eighty guys out. That's missed Walker skies. How exciting you're you. Guys are cool to leave comments about how you want. She don't mind if you want to tell her that you fire sexy and want to walk off or whatever she likes that kind of thing doesn't piss her off as my point is. And it doesn't offend me. Because I know that I gotta catch. So. Yeah, that's awesome. In like that about you. You going to be now you probably won't be there. You're not going to beat you're going to be in LA for a little bit. I'm going to be in Nashville next month next month. I might be there. We'll see all right out here. We're trying to make a Wheeler movie fucking God damn work fucked out of a deal before I want to tell my story. You know, he me and rhapsodies hot. We got this movie coming out you got fucking stars born it's time for Wheeler percent. Yeah. Long over game. And I was watching the Oscars. I see that shitty. Lady gaga. The worst Cooper farted in like, I could do this in my fucking sleep no-shows. I when I saw that shit. All Wheeler nail this. Yeah. I mean, how am I crazy? But did Brad Cooper bad Cooper badly? Wherever name is selling fucking shit. Yeah. Shit garbage. I can't I can't listen to slow boring heartfelt. You know what I mean? It's like it's Bullshits, especially with mass lyrics. Yeah. Yeah. Expert. I thought the movie was stupid. I could I couldn't pay me to lady lady Gaga. I should fall down the stairs. Yeah. I agree to you're the best band. Best wheeler. I really am. But I appreciate you guys are the best here. You guys are the best in the podcast business. And like everything you say, I want I wanna buy post mates, right go, get them. Good. Do it in hotels. I do it all the time there. Yeah. I've done it. I did it when we had to evacuate our house for fires. We went to a hotel. And I first thing I did I called did post mates and brought us gross Senate to other people. I sent like forty hotdogs, a birdhouse really hope can guy know where those they're gone. Yeah. Gone. Yeah. Pretty great, man. Send some hotdogs to my wife on early. The sounds great any live dates coming up you taking a little break right now. I'm just I'm kinda kind of want to get out. I wanted to I need people to take a break from Wheeler for a little bit. I just need to. I've just been on the roads three I did three albums and three years. It's like it's a lot wild. Yeah. It's a lot. It's like, you know, I want to I want people miss me. Sure. And I'm announcing that on your mom's house. Well, please miss me. Meantime, download WW three by check it out by vinyl CD. Sounds sounds way. Better on vinyl. Tell you that. Yeah. I like I like with vinyl now that we got that record player. I really now so van could get a record player on a jet. Elvis had a record player orange. It. Elvis had a record player in his Cadillac. Oh, even. Yeah. That's great. All the records, grab evil. He's like someone someone told him that too. And he's like fuck you put it in. He probably hired someone that just put that needle back over and over. Put him back. At the right player. He doesn't work. But it just like you tell no, right. Yeah. Man. Well, thanks for coming by again. I love having you, and yeah, we'll see you guys soon. We'll be back to getting physical after this quick break. All right. We're back, and it is beyond a pleasure and an honor. You don't know how how hard geeking out. I can finally say short dogs in the house too shorts here, which is surreal to say. The house. Yeah. Short dogs in the house. Kevin blasts in the house. You guys have the. Blow the whistle show that people can you're now going to put it more places. You're telling me, right. Yeah. It's very soon. It's going to be uploaded to teams bonafide we had some issues with copyright music beef. Yeah. So for now, though, again, beware. Accessed dash radio and Knicks cloud, you could find some of our older shows but dash radio every Tuesday night. We have a show from six to eight mix tape and then eight to ten I'm hip hop back. So there's an encore performance of how did you guys hook up, and it was wild. I just know KB from we homeys, right? We started off doing parties together his him and his brother promote promote parties generally around porn events. So from the start very first party. I did with them is porn influenced in just you know, it turned out to be have a lot of fine. Even make a couple of business opportunities and stuff and things happen. So, you know, after we started being friends, and if you notice just now, you know, Katie, right? No, you don't know him. No one at the store that I don't know. He doesn't talk like that. Now, I'm a white guy. That's really a black guy every time you give them a microphone inside going. And I used to go to broadcasting screaming. Automative shitty does. But. He gets on the everytime. We do an intros. Hey, guys. You're listening to the radio shut, the Mr. broadcast guy clip deals and asked him club DJ. Okay. Okay. So that's why I got that for me. I gotta say look there. You know, there's certain albums or music where it's like a time capsule takes you to a certain era in your life. I remember I moved. I was living in the suburbs of Milwaukee. And we moved freshman year high school. So it's like a fall of ninety three. I move to Florida Vero Beach, Florida and members like one of the first days at school the middle school year. Steve Rennick comes up to me. And he's like, we're playing football has just ended Brin locker room and he's like burn, bro. What he's like you smoke trees and shit. And I was like, yeah. I mean, you know. Yeah. Yeah. And then he's kind of music, you listen to and I was like, I don't know. I like hip hop. He's like you down to short. I was like what? I didn't know he was like check the chef. So he gave me getting where you fit in that shit stayed in my CD player not just through freshman year getting my learner's permit through getting my driver's license. You timing to short helped you learn how to drive I mean, I I was like I wanna be a pimp. This is what I'm gonna do with my life. Get stuck. And it was my CD. So okay. Played it till his skip to. Yes. Got a note a new one lean and you know with the hat the black hat to the side. And I was like this is what I wanna do with my life, man. We know a lot of people get it. But the majority of people don't get it that part of the two short legacy things that make certain songs timeless. Yeah. Is that is is very informative very educational very motivational absolute, it's it's it's almost like like a motivational speaking technique thing. Sure. Because when I write songs, I don't write songs and insane things. I everybody I've really wrap from me like one person. Yeah. And many listeners like if you're in your car by yourself, you like this motherfuckers talking to me like especially like songs like getting it. Talking to somebody like, you gotta get right? Like this. So I make references like I'm just talking to you. And it makes everybody like act like they think they know me when they see me in all kinda shit. So it works, but, but when you add atom altogether, all the albums all the songs and just the ones that you gravitate towards after awhile. You look back and go to show me some shit, man. Absolutely. You did ticks piece of shit. Like crazy. We had just listening the way rappers think like we had big daddy Kane in here, and he talked about studying the greats his thing he listened to Marvin Gaye, and he kinda was like, oh, that's how your player and listening to you talk. In your whole thing is I'm not talking to millions of people. I'm gonna talk to one person. So my wheels are turning it. How different rappers gotta find a persona you gotta figure out how to maximize presenting that and stuff, you know. Same thing on the stage, comedy, whatever. Yeah. Same thing would acting methods and stuff, but you know, big daddy Kane, he. As some point. So many ladies wanted to fuck him. I guess he realized it was a sex symbol. And he's he started early days. He was just like a tech MC attack you and just. Yes. Murder you on the microphone and anytime into a sex symbol. Yeah. So, you know, it's interesting though, like what you just said that sound silly. But Oprah Winfrey talks about that too. And she talks the audience, she's not talking to millions of people. I'm talking the one woman who's sitting in her living room. She probably like early on learn that that thing works that person. Ryan, how did you figure that out doing shows just? I perfected my technique riding on the public transit bus would a big as radio and wrapping at like really hard core ghetto house parties where two things on the bus. If you plan some music to the public, that's like loud and obnoxious, and somebody's gonna say Turner shit like like some kind of back backlash, but but people used to love my shit, and at house parties is like is, you know, you're at a party where it is no rules regulations. There's no security. There's there's just people who, you know, have quick tempers, and they don't tolerate bushes. So I go those house parties and rock a really rough crowds and shit. And I knew I could do it. And that was all confidence later in life. Should just was like it was almost easy for me to like to present to short percent. Nobody was doing was that doing that back in the day. Either rappers weren't really cursing allied. They really weren't talking about pimp shit. It was it was a very new area. Like when he got that CD. He's like pimping. Yeah. Remind me it was like I used to have to go to the basement to watch def jam or like Eddie Murphy sneaking I could not like sometimes I would put I give CD to like my parents put in the car and shit. Would be permissible like fat boys or like run DMC to. I was like. Initiative a secret though, he was saying like dirty, I still love. Now, I am can't tell you. How many times like I just like endless hundreds thousands of people have cutting me and say, I got caught listening to short when I was little and I got my ass. Yeah. Sure. Like last says weapons. Yeah. I mean, you said some foul shit. But you also had remember clearly story on our show about how he brought it back to New York and the Dominicans all her too short. And they he became a hero. Stop being picked on. He was the coolest guy in New York. Yeah. My favorite is the one where you get the borrow mom's car or something. Yeah. Accidents. And then she gets in my bits. We have to talk. But, you know, something else though, I was in high school. I started writing really dirty rhymes in high school. Yeah. I learned I learned early on the first time I ever said a curse word. It was like says something like I had ten whole second Tinto's. And this was like I was in tenth grade at play and people just laugh, right? And I'm like, I'm about to write a song about alternative hose and tell you how minimal and just tell you story about my ten hose, and it just it just escalated and. I I just I just swear I learned early on that that that talking shit just. Yeah. But also, you know, talk shit, but you also had like you were drawn to like funky ass based on. Well, the music is this need. I mean, that's the lady tell me, I'm. I love your music. So I don't really care for two words. Right. I love the needs. Compliment to you that man she's developed a technique where she could just ignore me. And. Let's. Yeah. Do you think it came because it sounds like the bus and all that that's a quivalent like what the open Mike is for the game media. And you know, you're doing sometimes harsh bars and biker bars and places where they don't wanna fuck in here, you talk. So you'd better come with some shit that's gonna get attention. And you talk about some too short stuff, you're gonna get attention. You talk about bitches Thakin your stuff, and I had a rat partner in high school in our when we decided to try to sell music industry. It's our first customers were drug dealers who were actively working, really. So the logic was if you wanna sell it who's got money, right? Right. So in and instantly. We got we got a drug dealer by one tape. And then the other guys around I want one too. So next day, we came back and sold them, some more tapes, and it was like a tape you had to make. I mean, the set tapes I would record a tape and copied a few times. Okay. And then I'm literally the drug dealers who were like three or four blocks over they heard about an they sent word that bring us some of those tapes to know, and then we started doing like a drug dealer. Paper out kind of everywhere. They would kinda gate to sell drugs. We pull up and they start to be thing. Like, I never had to try to sell music at the supermarket or at school or anything only drug dealers in everybody. Did you foresee when you're selling the drug dealers, these tapes that like this is actually like is it wild you that turned into legit now we were in high school? We were really just trying not to work at McDonald's and shit like that we were not trying to be stars. We just wanted to get the money you ever have this. This is like. Ever have listened to a song any song? And you realize you've been saying the lyrics the wrong way. You ever had always do you know that I paid you right? I paid you know, I licensed. So in my last special. I licensed blowjob Betty, okay? Okay. Paid. You could say this line. Fucking said it wrong. I've been saying it wrong for thirty years or whatever. What would you say check it out? A bus a left note. Right nut in a jaw sperm on cheeks is all dissolve there you go. All she accent it wrong for fucking since it came out. I would say money back. It makes sense to get my money back. It makes sense. It's his right. It does make sense. But anyway, it really dissolved kinda just did you feel bad when you killed her with your? Yeah. Coin talk about that. That was actually like a proud moment. Because if you analyze the story, let's go through store story starts off as she was a girl who did business with me. And she was terrible at her job. Her job was to actually go out and date men and get their money and bring you the money, but she was such a party girl. She fucking forgetting like partying design. She'd forget the part to say pay me motherfucker. Yeah. So we call those throw secret she wasn't really like about that that get that money. So I cut her loose. And it just randomly saw her one night doing her little party girl thing, and I'm like, you know, what I'm just going to this angrily face fucker. Yeah. Yeah. So did it, and it just it was so much anger in it so much. Fucking despise. You. Just hit that wrong. Pipe owners. Don't. Don't I don't know. And the next thing you saw it on the news. Yeah. And the reason why it's not manslaughter. Yeah. Is because shit was considered accidental. You know what? I mean. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. And it was a bunch of guys. You couldn't say who? Did. There was no fucking like there was DNA tests shit like this house clear. It was an act of God. Wow. That's was like hearing the story from the bible. From. Muscle. The blowjob Betty story. We just got to fuck it here that that's awesome. But you're on your mom's house exclusive on the song in the song. I hear you saying actually mean I always thought about Betty. The music is so infectious in a bust in kill the bitch. And you're gonna laugh, and you like you forget the whole story start it. Right, right. He was pretty shitty job. Come in. True. I didn't even think about that whole part. You don't even think about this. She's a bad. She's better Jeter man, storytelling damn putting her in a position where she fucking from the star. So you're not supposed to sympathize with her she's supposed to earn. Yeah. She deserted shit because you had a lot. I heard you saying interview you weren't a pimp pimp affiliates. So right well from Oakland. Yeah. Anywhere, you find a group of one of them from Oakland. Yeah. I am. I've never been a pimp, but I have received money from prostitutes. Does it make sense? I mean because just out of like love and admirations leagues that y somewhat in a couple of instances. It was just like grateful just being able I learned things from you. One girl gave me a complete stranger walked up and gave me eighteen hundred dollar bills and said one line. She said you to reason why I'm Holly. Wow. Walked away. I was in Las Vegas. I looked at it candidate turned in my buddy. I'm like this gaming eighteen hours like put it on black. I look I look around as nobody like fucking ghost. I don't know. Damn so, yeah, you got a story like that. I've got a lot of stories, but none no women have ever given me eighteen hundred dollars. Do you feel like though because I feel like I read no the answer. But if you were let's say tomorrow you wake up you got nothing to your name. You could go out and pimp like, you know, what to do. Right. Well, you know during the recession little camping you did. Really? Now, the economy was fucking about it show this show money slow now promoters weren't doing as many shows. Yeah. No. Yeah. No. So you're talking about. Nineteen fucked up time. So how do you find the hose, how do you find girl who who's a good candidate throughout my entire career? And is not sincere prostitutes really have been flirting with me. Like like, I went on a date with a chick one night. And we went to breakfast at like five in the morning. And I didn't know she was she's a very nice looking young lady. And she was questioning me alive. I'm like, why the fuck do all these questions, and she got a finishes like she's like, I thought about this was like an interview at thought, you know. Wow. Really? I'm like, oh, you're oh. So things like that happened periodically throughout my life. And I think I'm. I hang around so many pimps, I grew up around it. I really felt like it wasn't attorney choice as far as a career options. But my parents really wanted me to go to college. They weren't super happy about the rap thing. But then they would have been really upset about the pimping if that so. Along the way. I learned a lot because I would I would actually study different thing literature and stuff about pimping shit like iceberg, slim, just a lot of a lot of shit out there that you could read on top of two short albums, and and you know, too short songs you can go out there. And really study what this pimping is. And is not the ugly side of it is the Beauce, and you know, forcing of a woman to do things. She doesn't want to do the physical abuse. That's the ugly side. There's a completely different side. That is the more about what I like to wrap about putting the songs, and that's just like the finesse. It's just finessing the situation, which is you wanna know who's a candidate. Yeah. Prime candidates would be like, okay, we are Las Vegas and had a few house and slowly show. You lost? All your host you wake up one day. You got no house. It's no no fat. You can jump on highway like maybe the fifteen drive up Salt Lake City and. You know? A great place to find hose, you know, what I mean, why Salt Lake City. Well, let's let's piece Pacific. Why a little lady like me? I know I'm going to old to be a ho let's say it's me twenty years ago. Am I am? I somebody that could that you would choose I grew up in the San Fernando Valley here LA. From eight one eight okay. But you know, I'll give you another scenario walk into resum lager. Just like a bunch of little, you know, little naive kind of not knowing kinda you want write his name in that situation wouldn't mind getting away from the strict parents. Grow on the other side go somewhere like Portland, Oregon. Okay. They've got like hundreds of strip clips, and the stripper competition is like way up there. So in a lot of cases strippers like working every night making to three hundred dollars bullshit, you pull up there, and like some flyers car with some flyers jury asking questions like how long you been dancing about a year. Yeah. I've been about a year. I make like a couple of hundred bucks a night accent questions where do you live? How do you live with my boyfriend? We we just ran a place round the corner. Probably like struggling as boyfriend types of he's he's a musician think pretty good now. He's struggling he doesn't have a deal or anything stupid. Ask questions. Have you ever been to Vegas? I've been. Yeah. Love vegas. I mean. Right. And then you go get in the car bits. Right at my story. Short, the easiest and quickest way is just a bigger and better deal. Oh, yeah. So I'm Jay, I'm painting, a bigger better pitch and everything that's going on your life. And then I'm also informing you how no not right off the back though. But the numbers are really great. It really what how can I make with you? Like, if I go with you like I make three hundred dollars a night here and other right away. You're gonna be giving me all the money. How does he get me to go and leave my stupid boyfriend and stuff? And then do you offer to be mine? A moso establishing one thing that you don't fucking have great money Manson skills. You don't because you're fucked up position right now. You've really drive a fucked up car, right? I'm gonna fuck that place. And I don't know. Yeah. Your shit together. Trust me. So in Vegas literally though. There have been times. I don't know the economic state right now. But I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure it's pretty good now because it seems like a good time in in the country as far as economics people having money. Yeah. Yeah. When people have money they like pussy so perfect. So that you're telling me there's a lot of opportunity now. What about my boyfriend? Do. I get bring hammer. Do I leave him behind who gives a fuck away friend? I mean, who cares if you had a business deal, you can look at you like Sharon Stone and casino. Okay. Double life, whatever. But you should just the math is easy. You make about five grand a week. You know? Wow. That's really good. But then when do you drink on average, you should really do better? What you drop it on it. But you're gonna give that all to meet. Yeah. What what's my take everything you want? What do you want? I'm on five grand. What do you want? What? Oh stuff already want. I want a nice house on a nice car. I want health insurance. Get my teeth fixed. Hold a fuck up the more. You get all this shit. Oh, get a quick too quick. That's what I like quick handbag. Okay. So let me let me tell you another story. Listen a bit. So. So you like really skeptical about this you like, I don't wanna I don't know about southern my pussy, right? Like. Out dance. Yeah. So taking strip club Shukla's a rough for for like rookies, and you come back bitches of Maine to you can't get none at a special favors that haters to. They all hate me. They put me on the stage when no money's out there like this all kinda shit. And he's just like you like this is bullshit. So what I would do is. I would tell you to go out on a date with a friend of mine's girlfriend. Just go hang with her and watch what she does she's going to take you to a hotel room and a guy who's already been pre-arranged is gonna come in and pay you guys to grand just to like dance party and hang out with him, and you might be expecting to have sex with him. He's like, oh this one party, and he gives you to come back to me and go fucking thousand dollars doing nothing. I love this shit rally. Aunt there's a thousand scenarios that. And then there's the other side to where you're coming from a really fucked up situ. Yeah. The fucked of life pieces shit, people are doing bad things you in the house you live in you fucking hate your life. Yeah. And you like just quickly go back. Pam take me away. Yeah. Take me cows on taking Cal. Yeah. I love this white pimps too. Other really dope. Wipe hymns. I mean, it's it's logic rose like lag. I'm I do the shit musically. Entertainment. I find the humor any I make educational but also fun. Yeah. I'm not giving you the dark gift of the gab spitting game of it. All everything all that. If you're really talented, Pam, you you don't even ever have to touch her. Yeah. Literally. I'm it's only. Okay. Let's say there's a gentleman the lot of money. He wants to do something. Like, maybe he wants he and his friend wanted wwl. With me. I'm not sure I'm ready for that. How do you talk me into doing the double anal? You would have a barter system going on there. Okay. And you'd call up another how that might not even be your pimps of the ho-. Got a job for you. And then she's got a job. Trade are out like relate to you. Take this double anal and all take your. Or just throw me a favor later connects you definitely gonna give her a whole bunch of money for that. So there's a lot of money for a double anal. What's that worth? She better get about twenty five hundred and per guy, whatever of this whole thing twenty-five, very humiliating. So that's very that's probably a lot of it's not gonna be good is going to hurt black pimp. Take me away. I swear I believe you, wait. So what's your percentage of it on hundred and you get the more you get spoiled? So you so you just have you decide like how much of that? I deserve per like there's no fixed rate, you get no money. Stupid bitch. Oh, you just keep me alive. Like back every now. Logo shit and fucking fly car the ham ROY cream. Nail nails done. My hair gets done. And all you do is just keep my. My dollar up and you sit around ball out, and how much do I have to work like every night or do? I get a night off days to what what's my schedule. That's funny too. Because it's this this is from knowing in life. Yes. Like literally, you might have a guy who's like go hit like four five nights a week. And the girl would be like I feel like I can get more and should be Bank seven nights a week on on by choice. Yeah. And that's like those overachievers over here. Over there every walk of life. Okay. This the best way to become a pimp is to actually find yourself with a real how like before before you even when you rookie camp. You get a veteran ho. Right now. Okay. She she kind of teaches you how to be a pin. And then. And then and then just get feet wet and then ship probably like bring you a couple of a real how can make him like pick. You like you look like you could be a PM kinda got square Dudas dress like that drive like that. When you walk in room act like that. And she'll get to other holding say I've got the greatest pivotal Roby with him next thing. You know, you went from nobody to walk around with three holes and bringing you how much twenty nothing fifteen thousand dollars knowing I'm sorry. That was my take. Sorry. I got continue. I forget you get nothing any spare cash Todo. No yet. Like some spare cash because how do I get out of hoeing? Like, here's a deal, man. Once I'm in the hallway like I wanna see it. Like, okay, let's go with you. I want to eventually age out of that shit. I'm choice new sneaky zoo. Yeah. Tell me what a sneaky Hoda Mickey house make fifteen hundred I come home with it. Oh, dare to not give you all the cash hoes get their wigs get their ship. I wouldn't wanna be dishonest caught misguide plan. That's how you do. It though, you skim off the top because you look at your guy. He might be like flamboyant, and he's buying you a BMW and buying him Rolls, Royce you like beamers nice. But look what he. Yeah. He's the big boss and they get mad a lot to hose. Get mad, of course. Because figure it out eventually like, whoa. What the fuck, man. Like in my case, I party lot. So get random phone call. And we like noise in the background and Hello like, oh, you fucking partying. I'm out here. I just ran from the fuck and police and your party and. Right. So you get like the whole blues. That's why I'm not hopeless Soir appeal. Not appeal. That's the main reason why I'm not a began to those phone call because of the fucking psychotherapy that. Yeah. Just bear piss part. I don't like that part therapy. The hose that you got it. You have to you have to all you got your fucking father fucking, boss or fucking accountant or fucking psychiatrists. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And much bullshit. You know, the distal ho venting and all this shit taught. Bob, LA, talks talks. You don't wanna hear that Kevin thing around host don't appreciate they depreciate. So oh sure is really no escape. There's no 4._0._1. asked about his porn star relationships you have poor. So relationship I've had many dated porn stars. This is something that short gets on the about other times. Like, you're not supposed to like wife these girls. Bam. Thank you, ma'am. Relationships as Sam Tripoli would say shot up the Sam, I'm just a guy likes broken toys. Sam trying to monetize a relationship. He does come on. Yeah. I'm jewish. I mean, wait. So tell me how though bits get up and go to work go to work you do. All right. Well, one of these guys who has zero though insecurity about her doing her blow bang never. I never did blow bang. So my last girl with a webcam model. Okay. It didn't sound always have the webcam. So, you know, people come over my house, and there'd be girls sitting on balloons in the other room doing all kinds of Neverland kind of looks like this room. Right. And everybody's like I'm trying to watch a basketball game. And literally girls are like fingering each other in the other room and sitting on balloons and pop and blue they're like, dude, you've got like five hot chicks in the other room. Like, why are we in? Here are watching the game because there weren't working. I'm work. Damn, you know, she needs to buy some stuff, and I don't want to paying for at three hundred bucks fucking hair fascinated by this was this was you brokers sex tapes, right? Yes. And some big the biggest ones the biggest one of all time was that weight was that before you dated girls in the industry, or I was dating bunch of girls. And in fact, when I first met short ninety nine I was kicking it with this points in Houston. Remember, a friend of mine and she did the Houston six twenty. She has she turned twenty guys. Well, six twenty one six twenty two a major whore. That's the way by the way before I forget, it was it was in a marketing. I remember being sad. When getting it came out that you like this last out he's gonna retire. Yeah. Is that marketing because brilliant? It was just it was on numbers Marin our marketing scheme for that album was the retirement. Yeah. What was it with the media and stuff announcement, and then the partying and shit. And this is it and it was like oh shit. This time I had that was my tenth album. I remember and unheard of in hip hop. Like, nobody had ten out. Now, you have seventy three about twenty twenty twenty two. He's got a new album out right now called the pimp tape, which is awesome. Awesome album is also very educational. It's like a reeducation. All right. Let me get that. For sure. Short threatened due to retire like four different times. And then he also threatened to get married when he did marry. Married to the game album married on on hypothetically. Okay. Again. Look it up right now. You'll yeah. Google married to the game. It makes it a lot of sense shorts. Shorts a player for life to show married to the game. One question. What's the most common thing men by when they buy a prostitute? What's the what's the thing? You sell the most BJ's straight. I think you'd have to act. I never I never actually hold. What did you do tonight? Like, they don't tell you. I don't wanna know. Yeah. That's true. I really that's what picture right there. There makes sense. That makes sense. Right. Yeah. I've never seen that one over there. Go up and down over there to the right with the two brides by themselves. Cal Cal the great that was a great wedding night. Oh boy. What's the most women? You've had at once. For four at the same time. Yeah. Yeah. I'm never was into that thing where you like bang chick. Then like wash up and go begging chat, I never been shit like four at once. I was never into that. Because I like I like to indulge. Yeah. Okay. So if I'm indulging there must be something. I'm really into. I don't I don't want that bang get the fuck out and looking around like, I'm not I'm not a pervert like that the night that I had the four chicks. It was like. I think they were all like role in super rolling feeling good and shitting, and we were in a hotel room. And I was messing with one girl and tell the the girl it was good. Okay. I'll try. Okay. I'll try it. Like pass me around pass you around bucket. I was doing it to them until I back on a years later. And I was like fuck to me. Yeah. They trying to me they did poor, man. But you know, I'm short sitting shower that'll make shower water coming down S feel so used and they they argued over the last two I remember that shit. Over the last one who is going to get that last bang, man. Do I have the same story to tell you. So. Those looks. So wait waiting. Stories. We all have old whole story. That's right. We all can make the only in the room. You know, I've got some old hosts talking about your own hose. Here's the nastiest of all them. I was pretty nasty stuff. Married, right. Yeah. That's the best. Yeah. So you got to trade to the whole story. We have. Yeah. But he's nastier than me. I remember, you know, standard that Puerto Rican ideal of Puerto Rican. Like this like talks on did. I never can't wait. So let's never admit. How about the how do you kiss nurse sex tape? And then become all, right? I can handle getting this out there. How do you get the first one? Yeah. It's a good story. So I had some friends that weren't allowed to really be in the internet business or or telecom business based upon some. Can I just say they would want to by some people? They called me up one day and said, hey, we got this tape of the social later names Perez Hilton, and we really wanna put it out just like our friend Seth did with Pam and Tommy Lee tape. So we knew all these guys in back in the day. And I knew what kind of debacle that became to Pam and Tommy Lee thing that was a scandal from the star was like a scam. It was never stolen a loss of just it was stolen. It was that one hundred percent was stolen out of their house. It was stolen. They make money. They never made a dime out. So that was the standard of what not to do that was a stand everything you so some friends of mine in Seattle who learned through that said, we know what to do with this. But we can't put our names on this. And we want you to go out there and publicize this thing for us. And I'm like, well, what's the worst thing that could happen? I'm a PR guy in the porn business. And this tape is interesting and I met with the guy who had the tape. He was a roommate of this guy brick Solomon who's now known as Rick. The dick. That's Rick in the Paris or is become the fifty percent copyright, owner of the tape. So rare around that time Rick was banging bunch of Holly was okay. Shannon Doherty all sorts of like Hollywood people. He was a guy who was on the inside of can I ask you before you go further. Did they make that with this intent or was it made for fun another good question? So rigidly lighting was pretty good. It was the original tape was green. X Ray vision tape, if you remember correctly, what horizon kind of glowing in the dunk that was the tape that came to us originally and was not supposed to ever see the light of day because we didn't have the rights to put it out. Paris had not signed off on it. Rick in that signed off on it. All we got was a bullshit story from Rick's roommate who said he's got the rights. He's going to do it for wreck. So we gave this guy fifty thousand dollars up front am and a third of the back end profits was ideal until I went and sent to clips out to the media one to us weekly entertainment. Hell broke loose. This is what became known as the very first viral video. Oh, because that got sent to editors who sent it to their friends who sent it to other people the title that was dope side one night in Paris. I wish I could take credit for it. Right. I wish I could pick. Rick Solomon, actually came up with it with David Joseph, the owner of red light district video. So we had the original tape. I got sued for ten million dollars. My all ended Paris consent to it being sold at the time at that time. No. In fact, nobody actually knows this. And I'm going to tell you guys the story because this is what we s -clusive. So everybody was suing everybody and people were going online trying to find this tape, and there were literally one hundred million dollars being made fraudulently by people saying that they had the Perez Hilton sex tape in their members area back thing, you could join for two hundred dollars and see it and they get in there. And there was nothing there. But everybody was using the rights of publicity, which means to short is the only person the entertainment business that could use the name too short. That's right to publicity, Tom Sikora. You're the only person to use the in Thomas Agoura, so using Paris Hilton. Rick Solomon's name you'd be infringing on their on their Mark. And a lot of people were doing that. So at one point when they were everybody was suing everybody Rick in Paris had conversation, and they're like, look everybody's making money on this. We should go back and make our own tape and put it out there. And I notice it's a very well it. Yeah. So they go back and this time we're shooting they go to the four seasons in Beverly Hills. Wow. And they shoot it. And she gets final cut because you'll notice in that movie. There's really no nasty. Come shots. There's no up close shots of vagina or harass come shouting, another one. Well, there's a cum shot in it. But it's not like, there's a shoring. Yeah. Very boring, but she did make the dick. She did. She she worked. I watched within work. I'm sure the four seasons loves this was funny as I told this to Harvey Levin and Harvey Levin put it on the TMZ bus tour. So originally when going up and down the detail. When they go back. Yeah. Shoot it. She has final cut. Right. And then they give it to you here. It is they gave it to us along with my brother who now got involved with this with with a web company in San Francisco, and we put up a hotel heiress dot com, which was the only legal place to put it out online. And of course, we how do you monetize it though? People would join for twenty nine ninety five a month. Okay. And they were buying DVD's back that you know, now pre Kardashian. This is pretty card asking this is pre porn hub. This is pre like nobody paying for pointed. It was a big it was a big win though. It's sold more DVD's and any other adult movie in the history of adulthood. Wow. And it was a huge website for many years. And in fact, it's still makes money all these years later still makes money not a lot of money. But I mean, if you go to porn people, you could see the Perez Hilton clip for free, right? But now it's monetize by the traffic in the advertising on their. Wow. So yeah. That kind of so you can still make money from traffic on a porn site. Like a free tube site yell. Yeah. Really people make. Money because you're buying clicks. And you're actually monetize it like, you know, years ago in a niche website, and it's being like midgets, let's say one in like fifty people looking for little people online would buy convert. So that was good traffic right heterosexual site, and maybe one in two hundred back in the day now because there's so many hints on porn, you got like one in maybe like fifty thousand Joel actually joint. Okay. They're still convergence. It's still converts converts and the more specific you get the more niche oriented, you get the better off celebrity sex tapes all been the number one driver on search engines just the mere mention that there's a sex tape out there of a celebrity people go on Google the going. Yeah. Copen Hannah's looking for that sex. So how I've heard stories by the way that that the Kardashian sex tape was like very orchestrated like as an idea from the start like this is what will get me to the next. Level at first Kim Kardashian, as you know is really good friend of Paris. And she saw the phenomena happen the Perez, and she said I wanna be big famous too. I don't wanna just be some hanger on. Yeah. I'm gonna put out my tape, and I'm gonna leak it for free. And that's when rage a came to me, and a friend of mine, and we had a meeting with them. And he was like, look, you know, she's wants to put this thing out there for free. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. You could make lots of money with this. Yeah. And he's like, well, let's do this. And I said, well, let me take you over to couple of places. So initially I wanted to bring him over to red light. Which is where we did the one night in Paris. And then I wanted to take the vivid. He kinda sidestep me went to see Joe Francis over it goes gone wild who was best friends with vivid. They kind of cut me out of the whole thing. But again, I'm okay at it. Yeah. You know, we all I'm still making money off sex tapes all these years later because people still come to sex. Wow. And you don't put them out. Now, I make sure they go away and people if you're more money and making them go with even. Well, it depends on the circumstances. If you're a copyright holder. Obviously if I steal your yes. Ago just gonna talk about this. What do you think timing I making one so wanted to own? How much we made making? Oh, I wish there was one. There's no Puerto Rican tape. How dare you can you? Share you guys. See it. And I'd love to see that. If you guys did a double anal tape. I'm pretty yeah. I mean, listen, pretty gross. Do you know we're to two children forty two boobs aren't where they used to be. You know what I mean? This is exactly what goes to swing parties. Right. Just like you from Tabuk cocky, cocky. Wouldn't dream. Have you been mkaku party short? Just last week. I radio show tonight that airs on. Yes. Is the most described it though, I recognize it from Japanese porn, some j I love that stuff. They love it. It's a form of Japanese porn should be. I were criminal. I worked with comic one time from Oakland who, you know. I brought you up just like, you know, we talked about music. He was like, oh, yeah. I hang out with short dog. Sometimes really. And then I asked him like, what's that leg? He's like, I mean, if you hang around with them long enough, you'll get your dick. True story that out for. A great way, man. The the more short hang out with us more. He got his dick sucked. That's great. Yeah. I met short. We booked him for players ball. That was an porn party was telling you about and we had done it that place called the state palace theater in New Orleans, and we have told the story million times on our show. But it was the weekend. The by you classic which is basically to black colleges playing each other southern Mississippi and was granted like grambling. Yeah. Yeah. So needless to say New Orleans clearing. The matter. That's a high school. Right. I think so but needless to say New Orleans was very dark that weekend. He was sent out to go play party for two black black brothers. What he thought my brother, and I are the black brothers ATT. LAT abnd money K basil. Indie money, those nome-de-guerre. Anyway, he shows up at the state palace theater and people are having sex on the dance floor rooms blowjobs going on. He comes back, and he's looks at two white boys. Dresses pimps. Yeah. I'm suited booted with the biggie. Smalls brothers read set. Here's what is going on. I care where so happy to have you here tonight. I'm such a big fan because just like you. I grew up listening to short course in Cleveland. Yeah. I was bumping too short nine nineteen Eighty-four on. Yeah. So yeah, he's like all I know is I'm supposed to be playing for two black brothers with the black brothers. The black brothers. And he's like I thought you guys were black. And I'm like, well, we kinda are also like me like, I don't care, man. I don't care what you guys do. What's going on? How can I be down because there is people? But as make it out, there panels pats porn stars. Yeah. So that was that was my initial off. It was a great off because we got got him to play with kid Capri and slick Rick that night, and it was all my hip, hop idol. That's awesome in back. Then I wasn't really like participating like avian awards shit. And here these guys come along. And they're like got backstage passes to avian awards, and yeah, sure we want book you at the playboy mansion for a party. He's like, I'm down, you know. We had some good times. So that's how he became friends. I'm happy to say twenty years later, and I host this show with with two short other limo KB one ninety chicks like porn chicks. Like I wish I could just fuck a regular guy right now. I'm like man, let me to car. You went right. I maybe a little. We had mailed talented didn't show up that night cheap. So hey, you know, what aleisha by commands are you points now? Well, not as far as you guys would know. Okay. Does that that means his dealings been thrown around? This thing called POV. All right. There's no pressure. You don't feel the pressure. Maybe now more because I'm fifty I don't know if I would do it now. But back, then I was kind of out of my mind. Yeah. Got a good time back then short. I want to ask you a question. So I realized this when we when they said you're coming on. I was so excited, and I had I remembered that a while ago maybe over a year ago. I was on my boy Hannibal Burs podcasts. Handles a great comic DJ. Tony trim randomly. I forget how we got into it. But we brought up. Blow the whistle the song. And I realized that in my memory. I was like, oh, I broke down what that songs about like, I was a professor teaching them. And then I realized that you were about coming. I was like I don't I don't know if I got it. Right. I just decided that so can can we show it to you? And you tell me if I was accurate or not SCO. I like, by the way, do you really explore time? I didn't. I'll just be honest. The concept of blow the whistle. It's actually pretty deep concept in and of itself that he's a referee calling a personal foul on you taking his expression of that word. Right. Like that's pretty in cash at the Saugus. Yeah. So the song the whistle. Is that he's a ref basically blowing the whistle? He you're saying the way he said it you're stealing from him. He's coming from the perspective of the referee. He is playing a carrot whistle. So. Dave pound, Patty, man. But like you're saying bitchy, I say, so all these other cloud of lows. Yeah. That's a good way. Call somebody out. It is man. I gotta fucking. Actually, he doesn't get credit for that. Because it's always getting sick. But. How do you were on on it kinda? But it goes a little bit further net. Okay. Because once again, if you listen to the words is actually I'm the ref then I'm blowing the whistle on people who are doing things they shouldn't be doing. That's not really the where bitch in the song talks about doing too much drugs. Partying too much stand up for days just doing shit that you shouldn't be doing. And it's like, you know, talks about falon downhill and just you know, if you can't hang with the big dog stay on the port. You can't do this shit. Because you keep fucking up. So it kind of goes in life in general, see some fucking just blow. You know? Those eight-man flag on them. You know, whatever I was almost there. You will you were going. I was like I get it. Some little kids. I mean suck. My dick. Really wasn't my meaning. But yet. Suck my date. Just say all right. All right. Well, cool, man. I'm glad to know that almost got it right almost I had no idea. It was owning the word bitch. It was where you say it was starting to be. Argument out there of where it came from and right overheard that argument one day and somebody was saying to get the fuck out of here. And they were logically putting it all over the world and shit. And I'm like, I got I gotta own this. Yeah. Because you definitely so it's it's cemented. Now is no no dispute. No debate. It is solid short said made it that's it. And I got to give a little credit Rudy Ray Moore. Yup. Because I can take to some of his sons, and he's in dolemite character, and he's talking in the movies and on some of his records, and he goes bid. Yeah. And he doesn't I'm like me and my partner back in the day. We didn't get it from him per se. But he was one our influences. So sure indirectly. That's the that's where it ended up getting a little credited. Okay. You're the one that's. Yeah. And then, you know, snoop Dogg when he got with death row. Right. He doesn't Mandalay adopted it. And it kind of I give snoop the credit for making a goat soap op, I gave it to so many millions of people. And then he was one of the ones who got it ingrained in him. And he passed it on the so many more million. And then everybody I've seen comedians or TV show Craig is embedded in pop culture, people go usually copywriting own. I'm like, no, they do you have the button with you as Senate Trumpian car trunk hopefully, yeah shorts now marketing these buttons the bitch buttons, you could find I'm short store dot com. Oh, yeah. You basically hit the button it says. Get one of these. Yeah. Yeah. That's about this about forty trying to get. I'm thinking jewelry summer that chain man. Tell her. You got a good jewelry for her to call for God's sakes. Yeah. A lot of hip hop Jews out here. I feel like. A man because I I had different kind of jury for different kind of reasons. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And the blink blink is. You gotta have a purpose for, you know. Yeah. If you don't really have a purpose like a waste of money, silly, flashing videos and. Tell the story you told her show. He's fucking to shore baby. He needs the chain. You're Tom's occur. The comedian yearly fucking Nita chain wraps. Yeah. He's a famous rapper. Everybody needs Pippen tools. There you go. So everybody everybody needs pin? I don't know that everybody. How am I get hosmer? I don't have nice jewelry. Literally, if you if you rolled up with some big rooms on your car, some jury on our spitting life with chains. That's all you need for hose this, then you do you wouldn't get nice ladies, you'd get host at night, the nice ladies don't respond to that. Thomas's do attract. What are you saying? Have you seen them can never go back and research, white pants white get it we've seen documentaries Mr White fold? Connick? I think you could play miss your wife. Okay. I'm close to snoop Snoopy's to coming Mr White folks when he's really he thought I was the guy that was. White boys thought guy the white boys. Mr White giving my nickname McKay Bill that sounds like my company man getting as a white guy getting a nickname from a lack rapper. It was after he won is dealt award for style. Where you guys that pitcher? This was actually at a he had what's it called? He Airbnb to place here now lay. Okay. So he was like he's Anibal hannibal's fuck hotels. Remember, he was like, my smart, everybody know where I'm staying. Hey, guys. Single handedly. Brought Bill Cosby down. Right. Well, I mean, he got he he you know, he was actually just doing a bit at a he got in trouble. They got mad at him. And he say to him for for just saying like just somebody crazy Li like not supposed to be recording. Right. Just records. It puts it out. And then that people were like, oh, yeah started. And that's why they have the yonder bags now. Chapelle plays. His phones away. Chris. Something you don't think if you could find a nice lady who took care of you cook for you could wife up like would you ever Wifa lady up? I'm gonna relationships devoid of relationship. What ones last time you had one? I'm always on really. Syria like seriously. They're all serious. Oh. What what is there? No, real love and your future in my past present and future. There is telling you can't not fucking superhero. You gotta you gotta have you. Gotta have love, of course. But I mean is there a MRs too short in the future? Desperate it like this. The the women woman in my life. Understand what I do for a living. And, you know, don't let the music personified distort. The reality is the heart on there. Right. I know I wanna see Christmas. I don't know. Fuck all Santa's reindeer. Now, he stopped being a player right around. Right. When it gets cold. Start back up like right around now. That's true. I think my dad did that same. That's when he would bring some girl around. Here's your new mom. I know he would have been a good pimp and then come spring now more mom. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally dude. He could teach seminar numbers. He's got numbers because he gets bitches used to clean his house. Foreign do all kinds of stuff pretty solid. Yeah. Yeah. Really knew how to a lot of ways to go wrong with the Shittu. Like, I know a guy who on a guy who was fascinated by the look of it and just of it. So he went to an older pip and he said teach me to game. And the other parent was like flattered is like casino, the guy had to look, you know, he he was playing the part, but he wasn't really any. Yeah. So owed apente went for it was like this. What you gotta do. And like really schooled him for like a long time like to fucking years some shit and this guy figured it out. But he did one thing wrong. The first hull he ever. Her had was his girlfriend. Oh, and they had been together. And they would like taken in all absorbing all these talking shit like, yeah, we do this. So what happens is? She started working. She liked it. She liked Owen. He as some point was like, you know, realizing the dark side, and and realizing really inside him. He wasn't about that. Now, he loves his woman before he loved her before they started this, and he's like in his mind trying to get her to take a turn with him. Like, let's do something different. She's like the money. It's shit. Yeah. So she literally got to the point. She was like you go crushing crush of. Yeah. He went from from good kid to pimp to like church. Boy. Wow. He went straight to the church. Does it to you? Could you could end up situations where you so-called controlling these women and things happened to them and that killed you can never get over that shit. That's when you go straight to the church. Hey, you go out there and say go to get that money, baby. She never comes back every every again like. Loops and his father. But luckily, white pimp. That's right. Out there. So she's dead. Anyway. Now, let me ask you this. Because you speed too short to is you can think to shirts woman. Yeah. And then kind of mean it, but kinda don't. Yeah. Maybe saying this. Suck my. Yeah. You think I haven't heard some of that? Come on, man. What is what is? Okay. You've been rap game. This long all the success. What's the dumbest shit you've ever bought? I love this question. That's a great question. Dina this myself. Yeah. I think. I had a one time the first time I having to go for big check. I remember the check arriving and it was it was going to come in increments. Like four checks total about like two million. I saw I figure they were gonna come quick to because we don't want to be all his money one day. We'll give it to you over like ninety days shit like that. So. The first one came and logically knowing that. There are more coming. I'm like fucking this one up. Yeah. So literally, I just dummies should I can ever think of. Started. It was probably like ninety seven and started like the in one week. I think I bought like a hundred and fifty thousand dollars car about a fucking hundred thousand dollars boat in by two fucking jet skis with a truck to pull them. And a truck for the boat. Yeah. And fucking down. It was just like it was a spending spree of of you know, what this was the logic. You know, what I've been making this money and living his life doing all this shit. This one time I'm just gonna fuck it all off. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't do it Aladdin light. But that one time I fucked it up and about two years later. I went on a good roll too. 'cause I was like I knew beamers out. Oh, sure they made it a special edition out. So two years. I was like I thought I was like this baller dude who knee and hip hop was kind of preaching that shit at the time that was the bad way videos in the blink bling air. And everybody has like platinum jury diamonds and all this shit and people are spending a million dollars on videos and shit out of hand out of control hip hop. So I woke up. Nineteen ninety nine and all the talk was y two k y k the possibly Schick it happen. The computers aren't gonna reset. They gonna reset. And when they not supposed to allow those stimuli. -cation right, right. Well, it's gonna end. I was gonna end that night. Nineteen ninety nine two thousand comes in there. Like have bottled water have everything ready to go. So I was nineteen ninety nine was about to an. Yeah. And I live out in my driveway one morning. I woke up not a big ass. Fucking house would like a driveway that you could it was like a three car garage, but the driveway like another fifteen cars, I walk outside my house. That's three cars in the garage. And it's like eight cars in the driveway. And they're all mine. I'm like, I'm like, I spend every day taking one of these fucking cars to shop to get the stereo fixed ram Rhames fucking rotated or at a guy. There's this. It was just so much shit. Yeah. And it was that moment that little two year period. I just realized you stupid motherfucker, Hugh, really ended up with eight cars one driver. Yeah. And I've never done that shit. I it was like a fire. I have at that point a something really great happened. Because it was this whole end of the world. Hit. I am two thousand kicked in the world didn't end, and I was like we got to do something spectacular. So I told like a bunch of my close personal friends as like everything fucked up last year a fucking loss every fucking dime. I had thing about to lose my fucking house every I'm I'm fucked 'cause I used to be the guy who would always take everybody dinner everything. I mean, we go out everything make sure might make money. I just wanted to experiment. I was only going to do for like six months or something and just like everybody. I I was in the house organizing music files and doing some personal, you know shit. I had all this music all these foul shit MP threes where new I was. Yeah. Verdon on my shit to MP three. And I just really like was thought the world was going to end. So I was like I got free time on my hand the world in so I played this trick and guess what probably about like ninety five percent of my friends. Just quit calling really. Yeah. It was like in this industry. You kind of know that you have acquaintances and you have friends, right? And I still have the same friends I had since fucking high school. So that just tells you how to shit when. But I just wanted to see people people say shit like this. You have a guy. Twenty five thousand dollars check some shit. He didn't music his guy who never had money like that twenty five, bro. He goes, what can love you? I will fucking anything unique kill somebody for you. That was always my red flag says. Like, no, that's not what the check is for right? But. As soon as that money's gone. They're like, yeah. Like, you got twenty five more like not only aren't twenty five. Fuck you there, man. Yeah. It's just it's just funny. Like that. So so yeah, that was I was I opener. I've never had eight cars at the same time since then I don't take on a lot of fucking close circle personal friends, and you know. Yeah. Smart. You're in the circle K mart. I'm in the circle. I'm very fortunate. He has not betrayed the mafia yet not yet. And how did you guys? So how'd you hook up to like where did the idea come to do this radio show? I was. Not the question Rolling Stones do feature. That's supposedly coming out next month. It's all about me to about fixing. We did we have we talked to her like what eight months ago, so it's been taking a little while. But it's finally coming out. I brought Amanda the writer down to meet short downtown. Because I thought I get real cross section of some of the people I deal with you know, with a lot of people. So she was so blown away by too short. And she was like this is great what nice guys what a great facility shorts. Got a place downtown called the boombox that's about thirty thousand square foot facility and ever really really fifteen thousand fifty. I'm sorry. This is like we're you work is his my like play thing. Compound. He's got he's got a giant studio downtown. Yes, that's painted a boombox and the the middle of the cassette would be as the actual window into the studio. But he's got different rooms got a barbershop, Harry. He's got him and recording equipment in every room. So if you're inspired, you know, he's got artists down there that are working every single fat hit factory. So anyway, I brought down the writers. She loved it. And she started saying about a podcast and shorts. Like, you know, we should really do a podcast together again because we did one last year a couple years ago when he did it, and it was really a fun time. He had been ice cube. And. Yeah. Chanel west coast and a bunch of you on the Schnell show. Yeah. That was that was that was kind of like the green light for me was that we had big big big names on the show. Yeah. Russell simmons. And I mean, it just lists actors sports play and the Chanel in KB shell know, west coast. Yeah. From. Ridiculousness? Yeah. That was the highest rated show. Yeah. So I ended up being on the highest rated show. But it was I enjoy because he says shit like. Did you say on show who knows probably told about your sex stuff? Yeah. You say shit. Oh, he's like he's like. We just having a normal conversation like this. And then k goes, yeah. Like when Kim Kardashian got peed on. The original tape. She was getting on. What she really? Oh, yeah. Ray j was denied and Kennedy denies it. But I know what I saw. We're just talking about Chuck Berry's video today over berry originally from roll. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Farts like as she's blonde heard about that. He's like he's like did far. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, yes. Sometimes I do that. Maybe maybe Kelly saw I shouldn't get maybe mentor kind of thing going on possibly possibly. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of sex tapes out there that you know, about let's talk about the sex tapes. We don't know about thank aby is. He's a co brother does was he's like look at this shit. And he shows me his phone show them painted all kind of people, you know, doing a wide and it's just sex. I mean years ago, I showed short video clip of Justin Bieber singing a song with the N word in it. And I got out that got that he had purchased at five different times and spent hundreds of thousands to make away with him sixteen. They finally had to this. And I showed it to short and shirts like. Career's done. We all these. Just someone's lyrics or this his own song called one less lonely girl. One less lonely n word one. He wrote it. He was just like. Yeah. Get reaction out of his white friends. Okay. You're all laughing along with them. But it was not nice. And granted he was a kid are back to back to the sex tapes. I. No, no, I'll tell us. Why be surprised I've signed a lot of NDA. So I can't talk about some of them. Yeah. But I will say that the Tom Sizemore tape which did come out. Eventually, it was probably one of the most disturbing tapes I've ever seen. He's a some say so and so somebody from this movie and some I've that movie. I'm Tom Sizemore had the pre epistle, which is when you have a heart from arm and then four hour. It's what they warn you against right. Names like blink once or twice. That was a bad one. I would say, okay, I'm cream. But why was it a bad one Thomas is bad because he was high on crystal meth, he had he had five hookers in the Chateau Mont. And he's talking the camera, and he's just glazed new like I feel bad for this guy. Yeah. It didn't league up. Actually came out commercially vivid put it out for a little while it wasn't. He's five occurs. Yes. Jesus man. I had the Colin Farrell sex tape as well. Which was a really interesting tape that really tick. Yeah. With Nicole, no rain. She was one of the seven black playmates in the history of playboy. Wow. But when I first saw it. I was Komen. She's cool. I was actually taking in the trunk of a car because these guys have the backs Trump card before. Yeah. I have guys called me up and yell hands-free. Yeah. But I was just going up sunset plaza because they didn't have room in their Honda to get up there. But I was a horrible. Honda. A mel's drive ever kidnapped me kidnapped me, something better. Nice, man. A cord like two thousand nineteen trunk space. Man, they they put me up to this little string and let yourself I wasn't really worried because they want to one point two million dollars for the sex tape. But they knew I was the only guy that was going to be able to get it for them. So when I actually went into this house kind of kick back then like sorta like relaxed like what I got in. Truck, man. What do you do? This for second. Trump was even the shot. Did you call your brother? I called him right after this all happened by the truck. Trunk right now. I drove up from San Diego living in Carlsbad trunk and. Great to shorts by the way in the trunk featured in Black Panther featured in the opening scene. A big deal big deal. Big check his check in the trunk is cracked, so. Yeah, I was in the try some friendly kidnappers. Yeah. For real I ended up going into this mansion, and they put the VHS tapes. And there's Colin Farrell. It really kidding said getting a trunk because they don't have room for you. They said we weren't really planning on showing it to and we don't have room in the backseat of our car. But we don't want you following up on your car. So. Blindfold chunk of. Out the blindfold again bandanna so get it. It was like you can't nor we ask them going where I was going. So I went up it was literally three and a half minutes to the house. I now recognize it was sunset clause that I was going up. Right. Wendy route. Because I wasn't living in LA at the time. I go in there. They put the VHS tape in. And there he is the shaved head naked with the biggest penis I've ever seen in my life for a little guy who's that Collin Collin? And he looks at the calling goes though, I could do this fucking breakfast fuck at lunch and fucking that kitty and he's got a cigarette dangling from his mouth at his, holy Guinness. If this isn't my just like tripod off this guy. I was like this. He breathed through this thing. Who she was filming with her hand held camera. Okay. And I'm just holy shit. This is amazing. I knew her at the time that was a scandal. She like, I'm to be rich. Yes, she really work. Make money from this. Now, we shut it down. Oh, he wanted it to be shut down. He had to pay a lot of money for it to to go really didn't go to her did not go to why does it. So because you're talking about like, you know, having rights in the cop. Why does? So how does it work? If like if you're the person in it who are you paying cut to make it go away. So why? So let's say you're going through an airport you guys travel. Yeah. Lot got your laptop on one of those little things going through TSA. Yep. And you get held back, and whatever and all of a sudden somebody makes with your laptop. Okay. Okay. Somebody gets in your laptop. They tried to put out this tape. They can't put it out legally. Because if they're not on it, you Christina the only two people. Yeah. Okay. In a sex tape. She's a fifty percent copyright holder year fifty percent copyright holder. Right now, if I get a hold of your computer, I might have possession of your computer, but I don't own your computer, right, which makes me in possession of stolen material. Right. Which is how we shut down ninety percent of them. If you don't have the right to publicity, and you don't have. The rights from at least one of the people and even one of the people's problematic because you need to have both people. So in this scenario, though, let's say we we use your scenario. Yeah. So then it's like, so Tom, you know, Kevin's got it or whatever. I don't want it to get out. Right. Am I paying you to give me my laptop back? Or would you doing is? You're basically hiring me to go out there. And that the person that has it. I'm gonna find out how they got it what their intention is with it and ninety percent of time down living this TMZ world. People wanna go, and they feel this is news worthy. Tom sikora? He's a huge comic. We're going to put this out as the story. He's got a sex tape being sold around the valley. Well, Tom Sikora might have a deal with Tisby coming up, and you probably in the next shaggy dog, and you don't need that. Because you're gonna get two million pigs at pretty cool points that you guys have otherwise, thanks, man. Very porn. It could do some head. Maybe. Yeah. This neighborhoods. Very poorly, by the way, could tell you stories goes before pointing. Yeah. Porrini? But yeah. So what we do is. You would actually me alongside with your lawyers. We would poor getting the stuff back to you. Okay. And make sure that there's no copies of is that money being paid going to you in the lawyers or also that guy who just so he needs to pay off. Well, they go away when you pay okay know, horse to and later on the people who tried to bravely put them out. She's a boring most most right nobody really made money like Paris. I will say this another exclusive on why? Hold on. I this is a Wii. Exactly year ago last week. I was shot woman calls me up, and she's like you have a secure line for you to talk to my like in the cone of silence or something. I'm like, okay. Yes. I get on WhatsApp call with what do you have? She says a guy sent me a tape of this model slash actress for years ago, and she is tossing his salad, and you know. Yeah sex. Yes. Eat the scrum. And I said great, how do you know this guy? He's a photographer based in Florida. I was doing some stuff with them. Okay. And who's the person which came out, and she was beating around the Bush and beating around the Bush. I said who is the person we're talking about here before I call my lawyer and get anybody involved in this you have to tell me. So then she says. Her name is Megan and she's about to marry a prince. Get a store is not true to it is true. I'm gonna show you the communications and you'll see why got a picture of brunette second dick when atop her head. I'm here to tell you that. I believe you believe some shit in my opinion. I believe this is Meghan. And you believe she's she's eating this again. I know what I saw just treat and when I reached out to the lawyer, and I told him look this is what's going on. She and the change the diaper allegedly guys. Allegedly are his legs pulled up like he's going to change his diaper. Sarah-anne? You can't see them too. I've seen he saw one still photo. But I saw show us to shit, bro. I don't have way. She's a lady got rid of it case INTERPOL or am I six or listing? It is now going. Yeah. This is not in my phone. If anyone's this thing, Kevin's got it. Yeah. I have nothing to the women in Canada who called me has it. Anyway. So yeah, that's the kind of raises snitch out like that. But there was another time. I will say this tell the story about when you told about some guy calling me you give somebody might number about a sex say his name case. He's not gonna see his anytime soon. He might hope that he calls me up day. Hey, man, I gave your name to a friend of mine. He's got a sex tape. I'm like, okay. Coco is going to be calling you. I'm at bed bath and beyond my ex fiance place shopping for I see number pop up. I answer the phone Hayes Kaby. Yeah. It should what. Excuse me. Should I I can't hear you? It's really loud in here. It sounds like you're saying it's should is showed night. Actually, it's my brother fucking de money. Come on what you fucking fug on for. And then I realized wait my brother wouldn't know should nights, call me. And it goes, I'm Todd's friend. To shorts real name as you. Of course. Jon, that's when I realized oh fuck short gave my number. Took mate. So then he proceeds to tell me what he has. And he's got a tape of a very famous rappers wife who's not with him. And I'm like, dude. This is not something you want to put out honest to God. We can't put it out legally. And I'm trying to teach night about the law. And he's like well fuck that. I'm putting this thing out. This is how much money mentioned jaylo. Yes. With the Ohana Noah that came to me a couple times back when the ASCA delahoya stuff started happening to that's my Rolling Stone article. Hello jail lo had a sex tape with her first husband the guy by the name of Oni Noah that was shot many as they shut that down as well. So that never came. Okay. But the one that should did he ended up putting it out. And now that one never came out. But for two days it was pretty hairy. I was I had to say no to them. I couldn't get involved. Asker is way to Oscar de LA Hoya head three different things. Shop shit out there. He's got shit out the first couple of things he was in women's leggings and stuff seen that photo upside down. Oh, I was gone. Well, the last thing the wedding dressing with a wedding dress the second time, but this third time a couple months back. Somebody can any of the tape and he was running around his apartment Pasadena, and he's got he's got to wait location because the Hooker said that they came off a seeking arrangement to his place, and he was out of his mind and coke coke. Yeah. Hit a big problem. Huge problem. He's running around and he's got a whisk in his rectum. Okay. Yeah. And they're not able to whisk is a wish because. Short. So he's got the handle of it kicks. He's running around out of his mind, and the girls are videotaping this, and I'm like, oh my God this poor guy. Yeah. Granted, you know, whatever. And then he puts another like spatula handle up there. Now. Mike, all my God devil Ainhoa. And all I'm thinking is. I if I'm check I'd be more worried about sleeping, ask us still fight. Right. Yeah. I know he's a lot of money. Yeah. Any from LA four grand. I'm more afraid of that motherfucker cooking me breakfast in the morning 'cause I don't wanna get paint guy rose. But yeah that was. It was an extortion attempt. It was yes. The hose by the hose and the FBI got involved in. I ended up meeting with the FBI. And the the writer was from stone was with me when I showed up the meet with the feds. And the feds flip the fuck out through like, what are you doing bring a writer with him like, well, she's fought one me do. So did did they are they like prosecuting those girls aid prosecuted goes attracted down to Florida. Sometimes I get involved with law enforced serious shit. I like to turn my my powers towards the good that seem to pose. Yeah. That picture leggings in the heels, my becoming one days like this chick that you know, is involved in a really big scandal with the football place. Can you do me a favor? Call her right now. Tell her shut the fuck up. Yes. Just shut up and don't say shit, and she just ran around running around. Yeah. Man. That's the problem with the landing of. No Dow, no now Dow. This is the problem with the metoo generation. There's a lot of girls that actually have legitimate gripes when you're talking about Weinstein you're talking about me to generation well, but it's hot. Movement. It's a movement. So there's a lot of girls now that don't have significant claims wanna become famous. Sure, this started with Tiger Woods thing years ago that actually had sex with Tiger Woods seventeen mistresses come out of nowhere. So everybody wants to be famous. Everybody wants to be like too short. That's right talent to do that. Well, that's what I used to pimp names. Yeah. Christina pay Pam, you could just go by the girl. Oh, yeah. See oh shit. Now, I just need to get the chain and the female paying you'd be Christina p ferrelli could keep that as my name to become P O P pay. Other any lady pimps madames and ladies pimps to there's a movie out right now. Was my girl's name. She was on the show to KiKi Palmer Okeke, Heidi Fleiss. She was a very famous mad. Movie called Pam she's a pair of the movie. A new movie. On ethics. I guess I just imagined madams to run like a house like usually see that in the bunny ranch of shit. Yeah. I don't you. Don't see them on the stroll Salone. Yeah. Saloon streets pimping on the web a lot of squid. Oh, cool. Well, women are getting you can send a special shot out because you seem to be used to be like like your care. I care about these holes. Like do you care about economics and shit? Because I, you know, I don't get it renegades, right? What's the renegades? Those are the hose it refused to have pips. I like okay now, I'm into that independence of contractors? Here's the deal and the same with porn. I just feel like we should make money off of it. It's just the I get I get my favorite hole. Is that? Right. I really hose Ivy league hose, I've read a book by bed shoe said that she was an Ivy league Google, there's a girl. There's a girl escorts, and she was that. And she she's a British lady. And she claims that she vol, you know, I had a great life, and I became a prostitute. And it was great, and blah, blah, blah, Ivy league escorts have Ivy league degrees, no shit, and you've got to pay them London money to fucking date them like fifty grand weekend or something. Boy better. Diaper. Eat it from behind my life has an Ivy league super baby sugar, baby. Wow. Okay. Okay. You could get into that. It can't be a it's not in me, man. It's. So go back and look at the actual websites where you can like go find these bitches. Yeah. I release escorting. Skip the games. Escort companion. Skip the game schedule the games. She can get it. What she want? She looked like fucking whore. That's what I'm going to say. How do you know that grand? They have to bring their transcripts to the date. Bring term papers. If you're looking for intellectual experiences should be instantaneous, you should know like near better for real Ivy Lee Lee, if she goes now went to Vanderbilt. Top ten schools. Only Yale Brown. Came shit this became popular during like sin ten years ago during a recession. Oh, really? Yeah. You pretty girl degree broke his foot. Yeah. Makes sense a rich. Motherfucking somebody to go to Greece. Witting right. Yeah. A hard time. You would never do it. Now. I'd rather be broken gutter. Wouldn't even have like, okay. This is say you had a Tuesday boyfriend Tuesday today SU there. Okay. So. Every Tuesday you come to his office. Okay. As soon his desk. Okay. I mean, I can each uplift something, I don't know. He's like mode executive, okay? And every first of the month. He wears you like twenty five grand. Also to line. Let me ask you. This is their business talk here. Is there a business where I can just far in his face or kick him in the nuts? And I don't have to let him touch me. Yes. There is actually those. That's the kind of should I that's what I was nine to five dominatrix can go right down street somewhere. Part-time part-time. Tom would be okay with that's fine with me. Children like that. Right. You forgot to say this. I wanna see them checks. But could you teach him how to get the pin pants strong? Teach him some sayings. Always have the sayings. Okay. What do you how do you motivate? I don't wanna work tonight. I don't care tonight. Time. No more. Oh that name cigar OS name. So I liked that. I liked it. A lot on the right train you on the wrong track. If you knew better, you do better as a say, I don't be was I don't do fancy saying. No, no. I just do logic. He's like, ma'am, focus se approaches mathematics. Yeah, I'm tired. I don't wanna work tonight. I'm real tired. Okay. This Christmas take tonight of Christmas. Are you're saying. Good logic one day or another. You know, you want Christmas. You wanna work you want take tonight off? I'm not taking you to the Pippen Hobo. I've been looking forward to that all year. Hey comes the girl becomes curb bits. Guru. Do you? Call Keiser bitch. They like that. Or they get offended or they get upset. You can't say bitch. You can call the girls you can't say. Oh, I remember those documentaries taught me Darby about bottom bitches like was your bottom. Do you have a bottom? But did you have a bottom bitch? So I never got into them giving you scenarios. Okay. Okay. Okay. I never I never had to make so much fucking money rap. I hear ya. I when I did dabble dabbled because it came to me. I didn't go looking for it. And I'm like, okay. Somebody says I'm gonna give you all this money every day say, no, you realize how strong to be like you're not trying to get into pimping about hose, here's money. Thank you, baby. Too. Short though. It's the art imitates life aren't cycled. Never put it out there. Right. You put it on. It comes back the player born amass bottom bitches, your favorite the queen's favourite. Hypothetically, it is the most solid one in crew who is most trustworthy, sometimes have seniority, and who, you know, either has the temperament and the skills to cope, which you. Oh, wow. So she's even elevated above she kind of helps you in business. You should. Like three weeks, and you have bottom base holding down. You're kidding. His cured the bag the money's there and damn everybody's still happy, and we should really get into. We gotta get into prostitution. Here's the thing. They're movies about that. And it doesn't end good. Now, the best thing going. And this might be a stupid question. But i'm. Because. Hypothetical. So I'm assuming you it's a cash business. You don't take a fucking actually interested in the pivot. I've been seeing documentaries about this shit for the terrible at him. Sounds. Hardest. I don't understand what everyone was a fucking snuck. Okay. So so so you get ski it's a cash business appeasing. I'm zero. Has him ski Pimm skiff. Skeet perogie skimpy. So it's a cash business, but you can't put the fucking cash in the Bank. What do you know what I'm saying where do you where to put the cash in the mattress? What do you mean? Credit unions, take that kind of money. Okay. But pimps the mattress. Yeah. Come on. Figure that part leading. Ten. Comfortable. So you can have that conversation going. Hey, so where's your cash? Not you. So into the lining of jackets and shit like them. I don't know what you would. I really don't. Hey, can we do show together? Live on stage. Yeah. Like, I'll do a set. And then you do it you close it out that amazing stamp show. And then you come out blow the doors off with some, you know, what the hits do blood jab Betty. Oh, we gotta do it. Without the dissolved part now. Right. What was that line? Again. I said bus left right in job sperm on cheeks is all dissolved instead of all she saw. Fucked. It up fell dissolve. Oh, man. She it in it would never dissolve should. Thought about it should get sticky is still you still see it you still there. Is there like years later is still there? But Goggi dead ass fucking Betty's throat. What does she look like can you describe her? I always picture like Betty rubble from the Flintstones, but that's not accurate. Just all the Lisbeth. More does that mean to sees this girl next door just a girl? She brunette. I haven't really dealt with a lot of hookers that look like hookers. Okay. Like, literally like, good girls. Turn bed. Yeah. Oh, she's a good. Look at hose. Okay. All right. Let's the state again the show you guys are doing blow the whistle. Dash radio radio. Yes. And the new album this out it's called the Pam tape tape. And it is everywhere. You wanna look for this everywhere. Very educational got huge rappers. He's playing doing. A G rated educational music. Really what does because that music is so infectious that I'm thinking we're gonna time in day now where? Different learning tactics. You know, I like it being experiment. Would you rap about though when you just like anything just electric company shit? Yeah. Okay. Sesame Street shit. You know? Yeah. Yeah. We love Sesame Street. You guys like the titles of songs off the new album love. Definitely it starts off with go short dog. Yeah. It goes into break a bitch. The second track tables, featuring snoop Dogg breaking bits the hook is are you a camp or how that eight which one? Are you a hero? Eight my girlfriend's my favorite track. Is the best music video you'll ever see. By the way, you'll have to go that all right videos, inviting tried member five is give her some money. Hey, I like that. You're not gonna trippers all okay. Strippers getting money. No shivers deserve money trek. Six is save all that love for you for the boy because then need it. Okay. How to be a player? How to be a player with forty anti got pull your trophies out don't shoot, which I'm assuming is not a gun. Kind of black lives matter. Then we have Dr dre interlude give me back. My is only dimes is the track. Number thirteen. That's g easy. And then toward the training dream on are also twerk trains. Another good. When there's a lot of cuts on this Chanel, west coast, Chanel, west coast shit, and then my favorite is pop that pussy. That's true nineteen. Oh, that's when my mom likes the most. Of course, is that what you're saying. That's also a very socially conscious song about about a victim of prostitution. Not really who in the end of the song shoot. She triumphs. There you go. And she pops that pussy the Pam in. That's that's sad. A sad for the pimp. I mean, he was doing stupid shit. Gorilla. Pam he was being very. Strong too strong beater, and she ran away. And he ran across like when I came across blows Betty. Yeah. I killed it with the night here. He really tried to violently. That'd be that'd be on. My get the shoving get the shovel cat sakes. I love it. You guys are too Short's powers. That does the best part of this whole thing. Supersize isn't grow out. Scary. What does is openly? Yeah. There's people who like to wear that stuff. And then they were harnesses, and but plugs with like, you know, tails on them we make fun of that dog. Most of them have unicorn heads. Yeah. That's your hose, I'm sure they can tell you some stories some place stories. Yeah. Play. But this was a thrill. Thank you guys. Very much. So mine blasting too short short dog. Thanks, man. Appreciate it. I'll give me.

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purview

Merriam-Webster's Word of the Day

01:49 min | 2 years ago

purview

"It's marine lipstick word of the day for March twenty second. Today's word is purview. Spelled P. U R V I E W purview is a noun. That means the body or enacting part of a statute. It can also mean the limit purpose or scope of a statute purview. Also means the range or limit of authority, competence responsibility, concern or intention purview. Can also mean range of vision, understanding or cognizance. Here's the word used and a sentence from the New Haven. Register by Dan har-. The supreme court had ruled that the house has purview over ordering a new election. You might guess that. There's a connection between the words purview and view purview comes from a word often found in legal statutes of thirteenth and fourteenth century England. These statutes written in Anglo, French opened with the phrases, pure view, et and purely Kerr which translate literally to it is provided and provided that Pio view derives from view, the past participle of the old French verb Pavane, meaning to provide view derives via middle English from the past participle of another Anglo French word via meaning to see. And ultimately from the Latin v Dera meaning to see with your word of the day. I'm Peter Sokolski. Visit Marian Webster dot com today for definitions wordplay and trending word look ups.

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A Moment Of Kindness From Marianne

Kind World

03:26 min | 1 year ago

A Moment Of Kindness From Marianne

"Kind world is sponsored by American public media presenting the podcast the slowdown the slowdown offers. Five minutes of com every week day. One of the most celebrated poets of our Time Host Tracy K Smith provides insight and poetry that offers a few moments of reflection. Listen to the slowdown. Wherever you get your podcasts checkout business casual a new podcast by morning brew. Every week host. Kinsey grant breaks down the biggest stories and business with the biggest names and business. They're diving into everything from the economics of influence or marketing and the booming fitness industry to the myth. That is work life balance and the INS and outs of 'em Manet. Listen to business casual. Wherever you get your podcasts. Hello everyone this is yes meaner. And this is Andrea a swath. And we're back with another moment of kindness today so remember will be sharing these with you every Friday the season just to make sure you're starting your weekend off on a good note and you know what we'd love to hear your story so call us at six one seven three five three six three five zero and leave us a message. Six one seven three five three six three five zero now. Here's this week's story. My name is Maryanne McCarthy. I live in New Haven Connecticut. And this is my story of kindness. It occurred on Friday June fourteenth two thousand nineteen at a sold out death cab for Cutie concert at the College Street Music Hall in New Haven and I was pushed my way up front. Two general admission standing about ten feet from the stage and I began to feel very woozy and started seeing spots and I've only passed out twice in my life but I knew that I was probably go down so I was of course mashed in this crowd. It was loud. The music's going the crowds going. It was a great show but I had to get out of there so I tried to make my way to the right hand side. That was the closest I could get to and all of a sudden someone stepped out of the crowd. And Said are you okay and I said I am definitely not okay and they said grab my arm and I did. I grabbed her arm. And that's the last thing I remember. I woke up outside of the venue on the set of steel stairs. Sort of in the smoking section two security guards staring down at me wondering what the heck it happened just passed out because they hadn't eaten all day anyway. The point is I wanted to share this story because I would always like to extend a thank you to the person who extended their arm and their kindness that night because they certainly didn't have to. It was a very kind gesture. Thanks for calling and sharing your story with US Marianne. Now it's your turn. Call US and leave us a message with your moment of kindness. Where at six one? Seven three five three six three five zero and stay tuned because we'll be back with a new episode of kind world on Tuesday. Thanks for listening. Have a wonderful weekend.

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